From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 1 23:40:22 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1524714390D; Sat, 1 Oct 2016 23:40:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 310 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at arsenic; Sat, 01 Oct 2016 23:40:21 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cluemail.com; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:message-id :mime-version:subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=7lz Ywldd1+v6EP8LW0Boqg2FXck=; b=Ny6YLul2+WsQUv0OJoICUED9IyA60bh6JnP 7BJqitnEzUshg/HDW/t+sVvn4NI3VZrfZ8+XTArgBJdu52u1R7Bet2ZtMdymQgOx snzNZ+G4mFGHoou/n1EcTVCRBUv2wjCUZLzQMawQwiYAtqKGSRILilPT8mceMpu/ QhoWepf0= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=7lzYwldd1+v6EP8LW0Boqg2FXck=; b=Ajqcl xhZL5gxYgcMipMni9OCwB7kWwmonrUXiogrnU0Rf/X56rsuS0EdGrzOLMQ84CA+P dQjLxrMJxaQJuc8Re77iinQ9Ft/G4XkHReGdQ9LlH7cH9t7L173mjIbLovrIsRKu p9fpgpyx1U7xlnx15r94TAJFZeA1VJ2ZrPk/SE= Message-Id: <1475364910.3412968.743065025.763AF33C@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: sb5l3C+sdG2fOH2P0Ph6BvTZum0iFKifYCcamZTwh7g1 1475364910 From: spam@cluemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-334cb6bb Subject: Introducing LoopRecorder Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2016 01:35:10 +0200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 23:40:22 +0000 (UTC) Hi there, We'd like to share our recently released AU/VST 32/64bit plugin LoopRecorder with all of you: http://4drx.com/plugins/looprecorder (There are a few video demos in this site) Enjoy! 4drX From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 3 04:29:34 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CCB914390E; Mon, 3 Oct 2016 04:29:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Amy X Neuburg Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_42413D3C-D14F-46F7-A5F3-65DEC97AB602" Message-Id: <5A9DEAB4-AC0F-4D26-BCAD-B33B982C85C2@isproductions.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Subject: Would love your input, stories, suggestions Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 21:29:32 -0700 References: <5AFC6C9F-7BF7-458F-A0D6-C2D78118B63F@icloud.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - zosma.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - isproductions.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: zosma.lunarpages.com: authenticated_id: amyx@isproductions.com X-Authenticated-Sender: zosma.lunarpages.com: amyx@isproductions.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 04:29:34 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_42413D3C-D14F-46F7-A5F3-65DEC97AB602 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Folks -- This thread on Mobius problems with the new system is interesting. I use = Mobius in my performances; my musical career is absolutely dependent on = it. It works consistently well on the old system I am running, which I = cannot upgrade until I get a new mixer/interface, because the one I have = used to create my current repertoire requires MLAN software that Yamaha = stopped making several years ago. Porting my songs over to a different = technology (say a MIDI fader box and all effects in software), could = easily take months, so I plan to take time off from performing next year = in order to do nothing but that. That kind of sucks. Later this month I am giving a talk at Project BBQ (a yearly think tank = of audio professionals -- http://www.projectbarbq.com) on the topic of = how the pressure to constantly upgrade software, forcing one to often = upgrade hardware, causing one to have to re-program, re-think and = sometimes abandon one's compositions=E2=80=A6 affects the life of a = working artist, or really anyone dependent on uninterrupted use of these = products. At the same time, clearly advances in technology have been stunning, and = it's great to be able to take advantage of them. I'm looking for: a) any interesting stories you might have about how upgrades have caused = disruption to your art, and b) any constructive suggestions for this group of professionals. How = might they support artists who are dependent on their products? How = might they continue to develop new products but keep us happy as well, = and make this profitable? What about trying harder to keep upgrades = compatible with older software/hardware? Are there options to having to = purchase new laptops every few years? Thanks all! I welcome your input on this ever-prevalent topic. I want to = be helpful to artists in this talk -- it's an opportunity to speak = directly to the folks who actually make the stuff=E2=80=A6. what would = you like to tell them or ask them? xx =CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF= =80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80 Amy X Neuburg http://www.amyxneuburg.com =CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF= =80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80 On Sep 26, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Richard Sales = wrote: > Yes indeed. My question nowadays is, Who's serving who? > And it's a question that can range very wide - and reach into the = deepest changes and most important elements in our culture. Tell you = the Truth? I'm a little worried. And I'm not the worrying kind. >=20 > On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 9:07 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando = wrote: >=20 > I used to really love technology. >=20 > Isn't that the truth :-) >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > richard sales > www.glasswing.com > Hope is the thing with feathers that perches in the soul - Emily = Dickinson >=20 --Apple-Mail=_42413D3C-D14F-46F7-A5F3-65DEC97AB602 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Folks = --

This thread on Mobius problems with the new system = is interesting. I use Mobius in my performances; my musical career is = absolutely dependent on it. It works consistently well on the old system = I am running, which I cannot upgrade until I get a new mixer/interface, = because the one I have used to create my current repertoire requires = MLAN software that Yamaha stopped making several years ago. Porting my = songs over to a different technology (say a MIDI fader box and all = effects in software), could easily take months, so I plan to take time = off from performing next year in order to do nothing but = that.

That kind of = sucks.

Later this month I am giving a talk at = Project BBQ (a yearly think tank of audio professionals -- http://www.projectbarbq.com) on = the topic of how the pressure to constantly upgrade software, forcing = one to often upgrade hardware, causing one to have to re-program, = re-think and sometimes abandon one's compositions=E2=80=A6 affects the = life of a working artist, or really anyone dependent on uninterrupted = use of these products.

At the same time, = clearly advances in technology have been stunning, and it's great to be = able to take advantage of them.

I'm looking = for:
a) any interesting stories you might have about how = upgrades have caused disruption  to your art, and
b) any = constructive suggestions for this group of professionals. How might they = support artists who are dependent on their products? How might they = continue to develop new products but keep us happy as well, and make = this profitable? What about trying harder to keep upgrades compatible = with older software/hardware? Are there options to having to purchase = new laptops every few years?

Thanks all! I = welcome your input on this ever-prevalent topic. I want to be helpful to = artists in this talk -- it's an opportunity to speak directly to the = folks who actually make the stuff=E2=80=A6. what would you like to tell = them or ask them?

xx

=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80= =CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80Amy X Neuburg
http://www.amyxneuburg.com
=CF=80= =CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF= =80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80

On Sep 26, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Richard Sales <richard@glasswing.com> = wrote:

Yes indeed.  My question nowadays is, = Who's serving who?
And it's a question that can range very wide - = and reach into the deepest changes and most important elements in our = culture.  Tell you the Truth?  I'm a little worried. And I'm = not the worrying kind.

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 9:07 AM, Kevin = Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com> = wrote:

I used to really love = technology.

Isn't that the truth = :-)



-= -
richard sales
www.glasswing.com

Hope is the thing with feathers that perches = in the soul - Emily = Dickinson


= --Apple-Mail=_42413D3C-D14F-46F7-A5F3-65DEC97AB602-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 3 18:14:31 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEEF4143910; Mon, 3 Oct 2016 18:14:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 563 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 18:14:31 UTC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Subject: Re: Introducing LoopRecorder From: Charles Zwicky In-Reply-To: <1475364910.3412968.743065025.763AF33C@webmail.messagingengine.com> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 14:05:05 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <76FB781B-04EE-47A7-8FF3-9273F02B0301@earthlink.net> References: <1475364910.3412968.743065025.763AF33C@webmail.messagingengine.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120479dab2d00d92582893612f6358d855158901bd251e16bd3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.121.18 Resent-Message-ID: <9K0NvC.A.TdG.HAq8XB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 18:14:31 +0000 (UTC) Are you actually sharing this with us, or is this an product announcement? On Oct 1, 2016, at 19:35, spam@cluemail.com wrote: Hi there, We'd like to share our recently released AU/VST 32/64bit plugin LoopRecorder with all of you: http://4drx.com/plugins/looprecorder (There are a few video demos in this site) Enjoy! 4drX From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 3 18:25:51 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93CDB143911; Mon, 3 Oct 2016 18:25:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cluemail.com; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=AMjhYOjJcvCB1NAwvn01fcMW8so=; b=W37lFI wCK8Qsy/3My/PXSkflimHPDTggddK5dcm47Pj/xS6vQsKTkZ7y+Ug016XNihcj26 L+eqJfXZh+OQEpXdqVqNu9j+94SWpOQ5T/EtK39q+UHa/vSLCCU1cOYkL50Hw3i6 hTPx1TPQUotrL2aMFn9Di1/kXyl2YEVqBhVEM= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=AMjhYOjJcvCB1NA wvn01fcMW8so=; b=cF5HI5k91IgdWYG2B5kuChVVGEo9fBDQLieu/hmd3TlsmvE NXq5vvK8bAhDWYSLkjyLhFS1nOwaLKZxAkBi7KH8jD/ZYsw0NtSwbMqulBEH3aJH 1AjlEmLEI19RhdRXu6JXo+qHmh2xoB1FVTPBpELAATlDGcJ5rqumavstSd+M= Message-Id: <1475519150.1475367.744550473.16C95F65@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: NnWrCpgdNaHmu+nFyC8qOCSfPOz4SjwFcosXQcCOUPwt 1475519150 From: spam@cluemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-334cb6bb Subject: Re: Introducing LoopRecorder Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2016 20:25:50 +0200 In-Reply-To: <76FB781B-04EE-47A7-8FF3-9273F02B0301@earthlink.net> References: <1475364910.3412968.743065025.763AF33C@webmail.messagingengine.com> <76FB781B-04EE-47A7-8FF3-9273F02B0301@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 18:25:51 +0000 (UTC) Hi, We are meanly selling this plugin for 24EUR at the moment, but you can download and use the (time limited) demo for free. Hopefully you'll find it useful, Best, 4drX On Mon, Oct 3, 2016, at 08:05 PM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > Are you actually sharing this with us, or is this an product > announcement? > > On Oct 1, 2016, at 19:35, spam@cluemail.com wrote: > > Hi there, > We'd like to share our recently released AU/VST 32/64bit plugin > LoopRecorder with all of you: > http://4drx.com/plugins/looprecorder > (There are a few video demos in this site) > Enjoy! > 4drX > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 08:41:34 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2334F143911; Tue, 4 Oct 2016 08:41:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 478 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at arsenic; Tue, 04 Oct 2016 08:41:33 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; 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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is a GREAT question. I'm currently chewing nails trying to get my love= rly new @#$#&%* crap-shit evil Windows 10 upgrade to swallow the stuff I ne= ed for a certain semi-day job of mine. I'm kinda busy, so the only time I c= an dedicate to it is from 11pm to 6am. I'll just PAY somebody to sleep for = me, I guess. But, before the pitchforks and torches, I think it's important= to find out WHAT drives this. It looks to be an almost... unique, creepy F= ORCE of it's own. CIRCULAR.... I mean, everybody involved acknowledges that= it's happening, that "feature creep" is constantly evolving stuff WAY past= anything most of us want or need - I get SO SICK of stuff popping up "Do y= ou want to...?" NO I DON'T!!! SHUT UP, don't call me, I'll call you... etc.= I don't know for SURE why bright young programmers keep ladening down prog= rams with more and more curlicues, thereby forcing hardware to "greater" he= ights, thereby allowing bright young programmers more "room" to fill up wit= h yet more bizarre useless features - but I STRONGLY SUSPECT it has to do w= ith the capitalist need to KEEP selling more products. Like, lead pencils h= ave kinda settle down, right? Cedar wood, graphite, yellow paint, eraser. H= oo-ray, win-win scenario. But Bill Gates can't really tell the staff "the p= rogram we made last year is so great I'll pay you to do nothing for a few y= ears!" Push, push, push... I had REALLY wanted to stick with Windows XP for= a few more years, but they just CANCELLED out replacement PRINTER CARTRIDG= ES for XP-compatible PRINTERS! And more importantly, STOPPED SECURITY UPGRA= DES. If this isn't just raw T. Rex-emulating capitalism - munch, munch - it= MAY BE SATAN!!! Which is probably easier, but you STILL have to figure WHE= N to jam the stick in the wheel spokes so he falls off his tricycle and ski= ns his knee and $TOP$ DICKING WITH U$ FOR A LITTLE WHILE. $igh. ________________________________ From: Amy X Neuburg Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 12:29:32 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Would love your input, stories, suggestions Folks -- This thread on Mobius problems with the new system is interesting. I use Mo= bius in my performances; my musical career is absolutely dependent on it. I= t works consistently well on the old system I am running, which I cannot up= grade until I get a new mixer/interface, because the one I have used to cre= ate my current repertoire requires MLAN software that Yamaha stopped making= several years ago. Porting my songs over to a different technology (say a = MIDI fader box and all effects in software), could easily take months, so I= plan to take time off from performing next year in order to do nothing but= that. That kind of sucks. Later this month I am giving a talk at Project BBQ (a yearly think tank of = audio professionals -- http://www.projectbarbq.com) on the topic of how the= pressure to constantly upgrade software, forcing one to often upgrade hard= ware, causing one to have to re-program, re-think and sometimes abandon one= 's compositions=85 affects the life of a working artist, or really anyone d= ependent on uninterrupted use of these products. At the same time, clearly advances in technology have been stunning, and it= 's great to be able to take advantage of them. I'm looking for: a) any interesting stories you might have about how upgrades have caused di= sruption to your art, and b) any constructive suggestions for this group of professionals. How might = they support artists who are dependent on their products? How might they co= ntinue to develop new products but keep us happy as well, and make this pro= fitable? What about trying harder to keep upgrades compatible with older so= ftware/hardware? Are there options to having to purchase new laptops every = few years? Thanks all! I welcome your input on this ever-prevalent topic. I want to be= helpful to artists in this talk -- it's an opportunity to speak directly t= o the folks who actually make the stuff=85. what would you like to tell the= m or ask them? xx ppppppppppppppppppppp Amy X Neuburg http://www.amyxneuburg.com ppppppppppppppppppppp On Sep 26, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Richard Sales > wrote: Yes indeed. My question nowadays is, Who's serving who? And it's a question that can range very wide - and reach into the deepest c= hanges and most important elements in our culture. Tell you the Truth? I'= m a little worried. And I'm not the worrying kind. On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 9:07 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando > wrote: I used to really love technology. Isn't that the truth :-) -- richard sales www.glasswing.com Hope is the thing with feathers that perches in the soul - Emily Dickinson --_000_DM3PR16MB0683493CB3714D3776BD0626D7C50DM3PR16MB0683namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This is a GREAT question. I'm currently chewing nails trying to get my l= overly new @#$#&%* crap-shit evil Windows 10 upgrade to swallow the stu= ff I need for a certain semi-day job of mine. I'm kinda busy, so the only t= ime I can dedicate to it is from 11pm to 6am. I'll just PAY somebody to sleep for me, I guess. But, before the p= itchforks and torches, I think it's important to find out WHAT drives this.= It looks to be an almost... unique, creepy FORCE of it's own. CIRCULAR....= I mean, everybody involved acknowledges that it's happening, that "feature creep" is constantly evolving= stuff WAY past anything most of us want or need - I get SO SICK of stuff p= opping up "Do you want to...?" NO I DON'T!!! SHUT UP, don't call = me, I'll call you... etc. I don't know for SURE why bright young programmers keep ladening down programs with more and more cu= rlicues, thereby forcing hardware to "greater" heights, thereby a= llowing bright young programmers more "room" to fill up with yet = more bizarre useless features - but I STRONGLY SUSPECT it has to do with the capitalist need to KEEP selling more products. Like,= lead pencils have kinda settle down, right? Cedar wood, graphite, yellow p= aint, eraser. Hoo-ray, win-win scenario. But Bill Gates can't really tell t= he staff "the program we made last year is so great I'll pay you to do nothing for a few years!" Push, p= ush, push... I had REALLY wanted to stick with Windows XP for a few more ye= ars, but they just CANCELLED out replacement PRINTER CARTRIDGES for XP-comp= atible PRINTERS! And more importantly, STOPPED SECURITY UPGRADES. If this isn't just raw T. Rex-emulating capital= ism - munch, munch - it MAY BE SATAN!!! Which is probably easier, but you S= TILL have to figure WHEN to jam the stick in the wheel spokes so he falls o= ff his tricycle and skins his knee and $TOP$ DICKING WITH U$ FOR A LITTLE WHILE. $igh.


From: Amy X Neuburg <amy= x@isproductions.com>
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 12:29:32 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Would love your input, stories, suggestions
 
Folks --

This thread on Mobius problems with the new system is interesting. I u= se Mobius in my performances; my musical career is absolutely dependent on = it. It works consistently well on the old system I am running, which I cann= ot upgrade until I get a new mixer/interface, because the one I have used to create my current repertoire requires MLAN = software that Yamaha stopped making several years ago. Porting my songs ove= r to a different technology (say a MIDI fader box and all effects in softwa= re), could easily take months, so I plan to take time off from performing next year in order to do nothing b= ut that.

That kind of sucks.

Later this month I am giving a talk at Project BBQ (a yearly think tan= k of audio professionals -- ht= tp://www.projectbarbq.com) on the topic of how the pressure to constant= ly upgrade software, forcing one to often upgrade hardware, causing one to have to re-program, re-think and sometime= s abandon one's compositions=85 affects the life of a working artist, or re= ally anyone dependent on uninterrupted use of these products.

At the same time, clearly advances in technology have been stunning, a= nd it's great to be able to take advantage of them.

I'm looking for:
a) any interesting stories you might have about how upgrades have caus= ed disruption  to your art, and
b) any constructive suggestions for this group of professionals. How m= ight they support artists who are dependent on their products? How might th= ey continue to develop new products but keep us happy as well, and make thi= s profitable? What about trying harder to keep upgrades compatible with older software/hardware? Are there= options to having to purchase new laptops every few years?

Thanks all! I welcome your input on this ever-prevalent topic. I want = to be helpful to artists in this talk -- it's an opportunity to speak direc= tly to the folks who actually make the stuff=85. what would you like to tel= l them or ask them?

xx

ππππππππππππ = 60;ππππππππ
Amy X Neuburg
http://www.amyxneuburg.com
ππππππππππππ = 60;ππππππππ

On Sep 26, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Richard Sales <richard@glasswing.com> wrote:

Yes indeed.  My= question nowadays is, Who's serving who?
And it's a question = that can range very wide - and reach into the deepest changes and most impo= rtant elements in our culture.  Tell you the Truth?  I'm a little= worried. And I'm not the worrying kind.

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 9:07 AM, Kevin Cheli-Col= ando <billowhead@gm= ail.com> wrote:

I used to really love technology.

Isn't that the truth :-)



--

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How might they support artists who are dependent on their products? How might they continue to develop new products but keep us happy as well, and make this profitable? What about trying harder to keep upgrades compatible with older software/hardware? Software; Allow flexible routing of audio, midi, tempo information and anything else for that matter. Don't second guess what the artist wants. For instance, in a vst host the user may want to send unfiltered midi data to a vst fx plugin and have the host respond to tempo set by that plugin. Hardware: Worst thing for user is when that beloved bit of hardware that 'didn't really sell' doesn't have drivers for the latest (or 2nd latest) OS. Maybe you have that 'genius programmer' who could recompile the drivers for legacy gear....probably wouldn't take them that long. That's how to make people love your company. Both: Don't know if you realise this, but tech support is a real issue these days. It's an oft repeated story that some user contacts official tech support to find only frustration. If lucky they end up contacting individuals who are in no way connected to the producer of the hardware/software but nevertheless are expert enough to advise them. Be aware, with the complex tech of today there's inevitably things that aren't covered in the manual, there are people who worked that out, and there are often people who found a solution to the user's problem. Those outsider experts are effectively forming the part of your team that is missing. Latency and Jitter: really, you need to give figures for both. Every product with "ultra low latency" receives a sceptical response. > Are there options to having to purchase new laptops every few years? > Yes, people will often keep the old stuff going. Andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 13:06:19 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA0CB143911; Tue, 4 Oct 2016 13:06:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1475586379; bh=QsBxh038o0qapwyqOJMKgZhVLNGDdFu4JFG3zDS9EUg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:References:From:Subject; b=l8oiGwpTkkHSqkCl3zVXbjwfhc3BeQ8wV6uSaqy90swqZVGq4AaUwmyZtBDrxoz7kVMesjwEvd/+UR5jqq+VALQW7yG+Lfm8xjYAlSiJJV0bkYUcIAb9snvWkLym3R1hNQzzNH8S3bNVw/StwqZoyYsDuX6Ed/OgOyrexBWppvhAxYX1HdZe1glFfVRo2FyXu9lq1SlTfnfDSqlbClgGiSLD8LXIM+IepCjGAEfYlevxKwX1zNY/+CHwckTPWKEFzAJGsnU0T48b/JrVdKdZZ35VHlPXMkFLcutZLHQkXgQVJcLPEDKqGU+wuAxMX0la1J9sinMuU/2IsahiHu6i9A== X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 343667.46094.bm@omp1005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: lOzlxt0VM1mg7hhompa1ZJuxhZZWHU3XtpNs0oOeA8AnJF27zJoxXzcK9dGeIgF IovEOpwxRgBYdxrnJpcx3co4K8Oi7hxXV2AfgBAtzToylbI2lEjyhk_g_WNwmE5t6_d4T0ceIv.p YsYSYjCbZ3C1yVV2yV2C2gxTctprRRnT_3KDPXB3gIgMYvQC6ppUmpgIjnSyb2C9E90Ks0rvY803 L66xD3oo6.c9W1nMSQmVdnAUFe9dCSG_sCQl_yJG4yjT1bC0KJUPdr0O5JkltFF8uzO9JdQ2vYHW JWJ9iCLkbDOpnLWmbH5D.J9rYbTzySwPCSDEO7.D_Sy5jSJH0.IprXeq3mJyC3fEYXkMxaT60X35 kLtY6dG4INTcPBLIWwR.hbFg2fugvhNaJXkmQGHsZp6fZyYxYlUR8gte8zLoF1nHhBtvJT4Np2d6 mCBRV9vqJlS0i_MaEgs0.J7Y1r7Wni9BhNtmI.IYnx2On1Zcn9k_EU9k_ldZ25gAGmPFMc.s.7qp ocoQHfJtN Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 13:06:18 +0000 (UTC) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig To: Message-ID: <1827287545.4035137.1475586378478@mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Would love your input, stories, suggestions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <1827287545.4035137.1475586378478.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 13:06:19 +0000 (UTC) XP printers? Cartridge World. rig -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 10/4/16, David Mason wrote: Subject: Re: Would love your input, stories, suggestions To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2016, 1:33 AM =20 =20 #yiv3371851626 #yiv3371851626 -- P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}#yiv3371851626=20 =20 This is a GREAT question. I'm currently chewing nails trying to get my loverly new @#$#&%* crap-shit evil Windows 10 upgrade to swallow the stuff I need for a certain semi-day job of mine. I'm kinda busy, so the only time I can dedicate to it is from 11pm to 6am. I'll just PAY somebody to sleep for me, I guess. But, before the pitchforks and torches, I think it's important to find out WHAT drives this. It looks to be an almost... unique, creepy FORCE of it's own. CIRCULAR.... I mean, everybody involved acknowledges that it's happening, that "feature creep" is constantly evolving stuff WAY past anything most of us want or need - I get SO SICK of stuff popping up "Do you want to...?" NO I DON'T!!! SHUT UP, don't call me, I'll call you... etc. I don't know for SURE why bright young programmers keep ladening down programs with more and more curlicues, thereby forcing hardware to "greater" heights, thereby allowing bright young programmers more "room" to fill up with yet more bizarre useless features - but I STRONGLY SUSPECT it has to do with the capitalist need to KEEP selling more products. Like, lead pencils have kinda settle down, right? Cedar wood, graphite, yellow paint, eraser. Hoo-ray, win-win scenario. But Bill Gates can't really tell the staff "the program we made last year is so great I'll pay you to do nothing for a few years!" Push, push, push... I had REALLY wanted to stick with Windows XP for a few more years, but they just CANCELLED out replacement PRINTER CARTRIDGES for XP-compatible PRINTERS! And more importantly, STOPPED SECURITY UPGRADES. If this isn't just raw T. Rex-emulating capitalism - munch, munch - it MAY BE SATAN!!! Which is probably easier, but you STILL have to figure WHEN to jam the stick in the wheel spokes so he falls off his tricycle and skins his knee and $TOP$ DICKING WITH U$ FOR A LITTLE WHILE. $igh.=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 From: Amy X Neuburg =20 Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 12:29:32 AM =20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =20 Subject: Would love your input, stories, suggestions =C2=A0 =20 Folks -- =20 =20 =20 This thread on Mobius problems with the new system is interesting. I use Mobius in my performances; my musical career is absolutely dependent on it. It works consistently well on the old system I am running, which I cannot upgrade until I get a new mixer/interface, because the one I have used to create my current repertoire requires MLAN software that Yamaha stopped making several years ago. Porting my songs over to a different technology (say a MIDI fader box and all effects in software), could easily take months, so I plan to take time off from performing next year in order to do nothing but that. =20 =20 =20 That kind of sucks. =20 =20 =20 Later this month I am giving a talk at Project BBQ (a yearly think tank of audio professionals --=C2=A0http://www.projectbarbq.c= om) on the topic of how the pressure to constantly upgrade software, forcing one to often upgrade hardware, causing one to have to re-program, re-think and sometimes abandon one's compositions=E2=80=A6 affects the life of a working artist, or really anyone dependent on uninterrupted use of these products. =20 =20 =20 At the same time, clearly advances in technology have been stunning, and it's great to be able to take advantage of them. =20 =20 =20 I'm looking for: a) any interesting stories you might have about how upgrades have caused disruption =C2=A0to your art, and b) any constructive suggestions for this group of professionals. How might they support artists who are dependent on their products? How might they continue to develop new products but keep us happy as well, and make this profitable? What about trying harder to keep upgrades compatible with older software/hardware? Are there options to having to purchase new laptops every few years? =20 =20 =20 Thanks all! I welcome your input on this ever-prevalent topic. I want to be helpful to artists in this talk -- it's an opportunity to speak directly to the folks who actually make the stuff=E2=80=A6. what would you like to tell them or ask them? =20 =20 =20 xx =20 =20 =20 =20 =CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80= =CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80 =20 Amy X Neuburg =20 http://www.amyxneuburg.com =20 =CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80= =CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 On Sep 26, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Richard Sales wrote: =20 =20 =20 =20 Yes indeed.=C2=A0 My question nowadays is, Who's serving who? And it's a question that can range very wide - and reach into the deepest changes and most important elements in our culture.=C2=A0 Tell you the Truth?=C2=A0 I'm a little worried. And I'm not the worrying kind. =20 =20 On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 9:07 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando=20 wrote: =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 I used to really love technology. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Isn't that the truth :-) =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 --=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 richard sales =20 www.glasswing.com =20 =20 Hope is the thing with feathers that perches in the soul -=C2=A0Emily Dickinson =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 13:11:41 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F7B8143917; Tue, 4 Oct 2016 13:11:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=QNShtpglstpPtKi8UzM/MZpcpEF4tLeR++7266WKj8E=; b=j6Y86fSv8oKa2cVnuWp71NmVMwjIoH6ww+/pHZ0buOJrPfbQWLpLG1Ai6v37bJc0/x o0Hs52ARkX4dCbWrzitGY5gB203ctb0NHrZxzZeh8SLjnkDi9gJJNOleWEwXqYHGqwtV +JVdmjeEaThBpe5MMUkZNhJmu7tHsbXt4ul8+GPhbX0ubjEueE3jj82lNvPI6HYXj9vI ZMUUEss7ZW/4nJdUVR0xEBmxJ23yM99mZ0AjWeGLjYTbS+eQ+nQRy+AV8PygV3qPlNL/ zQxS30/LAFFXMOQTnt/I4bpTlGe+VAZu1VkzSWAryQLlhwVvtDrnKP1MDukmccuN3659 8NtQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=QNShtpglstpPtKi8UzM/MZpcpEF4tLeR++7266WKj8E=; b=Vq03ambvjAT6rc5rMY71ZB8riwlheMqNYZyd5wGxCa7tHOjQx0HOztKoCAxZJCjYhf Yl0r0MerrEm/+gZkUkBH9SR+GYxGMdhqosItthGRGw8q6JBihgrlFtipuUmldxDBXba7 3HCCfpw6gtxK7xaNBiTKhhrgtKbKch2DMdEqtffpePVNkdWpbIElgfchm54sgnmTGwwI chmTowELcRKAiQqJ/IYaKLIVZ5BaYu4MdqLwaexlBxMHSZ2PRzXETrrLCstDX6Y3o0dF g3EyLyhYOTuqDhavUTeE2Kft7RzlHulHeq1K0dwCqyccglYYtnPl74qYFsxkAM78NeLf /Epg== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9RkCN+si1OWstYsWo2Q3GFLnTW0+Xug8JDUpdpV6vpN6Q09fhh/sTUZ+WP0Kyeh57gi9dewkqQrZQjNyVw== X-Received: by 10.13.255.134 with SMTP id p128mr2564225ywf.72.1475586699991; Tue, 04 Oct 2016 06:11:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5A9DEAB4-AC0F-4D26-BCAD-B33B982C85C2@isproductions.com> References: <5AFC6C9F-7BF7-458F-A0D6-C2D78118B63F@icloud.com> <5A9DEAB4-AC0F-4D26-BCAD-B33B982C85C2@isproductions.com> From: Sylvain Poitras Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 09:11:38 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Would love your input, stories, suggestions To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c08651e169e4f053e09cdf9 Resent-Message-ID: <3vvuID.A.s_F.Nq68XB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 13:11:41 +0000 (UTC) --94eb2c08651e169e4f053e09cdf9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hello Amy, On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 12:29 AM, Amy X Neuburg wrote: > b) any constructive suggestions for this group of professionals. How might > they support artists who are dependent on their products? How might they > continue to develop new products but keep us happy as well, and make this > profitable? What about trying harder to keep upgrades compatible with older > software/hardware? Are there options to having to purchase new laptops > every few years? I keep dedicated computers and phones for music and rarely update them. Once they are stable and if kept unconnected to the internet and other networks, refraining from updates causes no issues. I've also gravitated towards writing my own software and using opensource alternatives rather than relying on the development efforts, as prodigal as they can be, of a lone developer. This way, I can keep the software going through the inevitable hardware upgrade. For hardware, I no longer purchase any USB controller or audio devices that aren't "class compliant" (i.e. those that do not require drivers). This removes the dependency on driver upgrades and keeps everything running through updates. --94eb2c08651e169e4f053e09cdf9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Amy,=C2=A0

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 12:= 29 AM, Amy X Neuburg <amyx@isproductions.com> wrote:
b) any constructive sugg= estions for this group of professionals. How might they support artists who= are dependent on their products? How might they continue to develop new pr= oducts but keep us happy as well, and make this profitable? What about tryi= ng harder to keep upgrades compatible with older software/hardware? Are the= re options to having to purchase new laptops every few years?
<= /div>

I keep dedicated computers and phones for mu= sic and rarely update them. Once they are stable and if kept unconnected to= the internet and other networks, refraining from updates causes no issues.=

I've also gravitated towards writing my o= wn software and using opensource alternatives rather than relying on the de= velopment efforts, as prodigal as they can be, of a lone developer. This wa= y, I can keep the software going through the inevitable hardware upgrade.

For hardware, I no longer purchase any USB controll= er or audio devices that aren't "class compliant" (i.e. those= that do not require drivers). This removes the dependency on driver upgrad= es and keeps everything running through updates.

--94eb2c08651e169e4f053e09cdf9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 13:13:17 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B62E143918; Tue, 4 Oct 2016 13:13:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=IsldB/ZwnmT1nK0tv59LSFjCxxxhYsbl0RuWEMJ4tUs=; b=hNPK8+DK3qZ23cSLaQ/DOOB3mwFxg2PAPlkR6R2fzGYefYlSwNOJDS3CnI80Vd1x6V X2RViBBi3vlIvmifatFYUh28BlhsG2IqHYYwy2yh3my9Doks7tUEcHDeuMBO6I3ocMAm ffOayrdpnMVi+mpUpUamIPV9fiOmWTSF4OdQPN2DQ4KXAJ6drXUybDYtQSTg39NO695W Panf42JgHYlHBbq532o9GMKDF1jD0AYKCK20KhxFAT1ZOlm2NmwSo6vzXFh3xInEX4o+ 73xwaacnoYl3YEQz2+ZXXgI2TJVNasTfc4mggZi76w1m4UR2QzERWxE7FRPl9b4hmikd eNhQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=IsldB/ZwnmT1nK0tv59LSFjCxxxhYsbl0RuWEMJ4tUs=; b=L9bjUdrFaF2gDCsTAqiMmt/jsZ4CWuOS++KzsKRvlSWBoKs9AqzHhIoAgkmy0XmS8r bgTZve1kyEEcTEyyTi0IRj1Vc4+RKOfuik7Vx7JK/ZL6xfKQf48icFq/YXR36k/bpm6n iKx+L+PqUHwpNT5KO5bm61zOC9hQ2RFDNjMTDJLNjB1k079i3IRGkLSogZ5xemS3M+TX p0fP63STmYjQJRkdDC7n5/TjiVQJnY9XA0u1uV2hoLuFtuTtERZ8AnwLlJLUbiKPyQU4 ldQGbMMiVJaoWfcp6VjWf1LHxG+wFmBRH+NTdaLUw8yZVIcD1k0PlM1glb+SnYbX0R2F 6o4w== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9RkhgW+yj610mRHvS4ZVLOkkRcabLwI3wEMN8KiGJiZVRM4yFqL3lQJplzhgrUmExeQLzq6SztpzFOPVqw== X-Received: by 10.13.221.149 with SMTP id g143mr2400182ywe.266.1475586796576; Tue, 04 Oct 2016 06:13:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5A9DEAB4-AC0F-4D26-BCAD-B33B982C85C2@isproductions.com> References: <5AFC6C9F-7BF7-458F-A0D6-C2D78118B63F@icloud.com> <5A9DEAB4-AC0F-4D26-BCAD-B33B982C85C2@isproductions.com> From: Sylvain Poitras Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 09:13:15 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Would love your input, stories, suggestions To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c060f20d86673053e09d251 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 13:13:17 +0000 (UTC) --94eb2c060f20d86673053e09d251 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 12:29 AM, Amy X Neuburg wrote: > b) any constructive suggestions for this group of professionals. How might > they support artists who are dependent on their products? How might they > continue to develop new products but keep us happy as well, and make this > profitable? What about trying harder to keep upgrades compatible with older > software/hardware? Are there options to having to purchase new laptops > every few years? And of course: I a make a bootable backup of my drive before any and all OS update so that I can revert to a safe state should the update break critical software and hardware. Sylvain --94eb2c060f20d86673053e09d251 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 12:29 AM, Amy X Neuburg <amyx@isproductions.co= m> wrote:
b) any constructi= ve suggestions for this group of professionals. How might they support arti= sts who are dependent on their products? How might they continue to develop= new products but keep us happy as well, and make this profitable? What abo= ut trying harder to keep upgrades compatible with older software/hardware? = Are there options to having to purchase new laptops every few years?

And of course:

I a make a bootable backup of my drive before any = and all OS update so that I can revert to a safe state should the update br= eak critical software and hardware.

Sylvain
--94eb2c060f20d86673053e09d251-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 15:02:41 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EE22143917; Tue, 4 Oct 2016 15:02:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Would love your input, stories, suggestions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <5AFC6C9F-7BF7-458F-A0D6-C2D78118B63F@icloud.com> <5A9DEAB4-AC0F-4D26-BCAD-B33B982C85C2@isproductions.com> Reply-To: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk From: andy butler Message-ID: <57F3C498.8020507@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 16:02:48 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.0.0.1202-22618.000 X-TM-AS-Result: No--1.076-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--1.076-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: ZrceL/U8jXSjtCrsGOmWbia1MaKuob8Pt3aeg7g/usBjyv+d0Z0OxeiX DoWoMA60/qrsQc9mp/qRk6XtYogiau9c69BWUTGwG1ab7Y43x1XZs3HUcS/scCq2rl3dzGQ1+OT 0z9V3jj1nCFMUTAlR6GzTRvFAuY4tsuFcO5+gFJF+TS9uNJtpsx31sDqSo0Gpm4X4EeCnmByw+o C6lvqR35wiGBD4i+h5tQDMzTjRMhA= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 15:02:41 +0000 (UTC) On 04/10/2016 14:11, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > I can keep the software going through the inevitable hardware upgrade. That's cool, but what about the (expensive?) need to upgrade development software? andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 15:09:31 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C01F814391C; Tue, 4 Oct 2016 15:09:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=oN37RP5gqvu4Ot8BTuk+pytv6H9b2WstypeavA5yrbM=; b=aU0z57iVQGl5iSgp30YuMbwPrTQ6vdIKNiHfcVD25gUqN8+3N2iOlJ64qSWTxfGCoz Z3BBCmGkRgxX9P3O422RLiXx6zp/QlYGKH7M6CSqqwHq/XvAyZ2fVXkdebDJf6l1z7T9 Y7OYQKe9Yi0cGr6jKPxVv3ZS2L4SXeL8CYiLEOsLtIA9RnhI24ghFbiHnxfxMuffvLUv /ISYQmySn1f13ZpmEktt5o8W2//po3wPdbkp+ToBuVKHob+2hmq12AqH7PrUIbjP6xYn ydf9yFthyfv6LWoLxAbJFB4YDGo5xltDh3TLYc6zdMlEcK8V08xE6c0igYqxlj4oKK0G rG2Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=oN37RP5gqvu4Ot8BTuk+pytv6H9b2WstypeavA5yrbM=; b=fngSGol5bqhG5Uj2PkT7AUfjqub6DlEkEjjchYifFi6EoyY7rt5Hts+qE2hqHX8+uY thxpvRzddmLDYFISNftJMF/qvXFlRSDBYadlOnjhKCTuLjUMVUpM0hdIiEc7YiE/tUVp B/5fgPOsvnDYegGEKT82tJ5A8Aw++JoTc5QzWafpTQ7RwL+MxYg38a68lj8uLEEDX7HM K/YqyYYGPjNcjw01R1fW7+Fl8m6aS3mRxnfGU3tSw5oxR0czPGEuv1mDNun6VJA293KO mvkAHl2hEcRQza6uq5o94fz55r6UlVSffE+UgRietq3jla/RwhUNGBHV3GeAREmtTLdw vuSA== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9Rn53yFdxJESurLYyJkBc2rmuZ6D5WZGTSmN60UDRuvAzzqmRKUM9MJ1NgnoRBmmc+VFrQAeLsAshvcHRw== X-Received: by 10.13.241.66 with SMTP id a63mr3171028ywf.162.1475593770511; Tue, 04 Oct 2016 08:09:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <57F3C498.8020507@tiscali.co.uk> References: <5AFC6C9F-7BF7-458F-A0D6-C2D78118B63F@icloud.com> <5A9DEAB4-AC0F-4D26-BCAD-B33B982C85C2@isproductions.com> <57F3C498.8020507@tiscali.co.uk> From: Sylvain Poitras Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 11:09:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Would love your input, stories, suggestions To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c0b52788634af053e0b7297 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 15:09:31 +0000 (UTC) --94eb2c0b52788634af053e0b7297 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 11:02 AM, andy butler wrote: > That's cool, but what about the (expensive?) need to upgrade > development software? > I haven't bought a compiler or IDE since Borland's Turbo C++ almost 30 years ago. Excellent IDE are freely available for whatever OS and coding style you prefer, but I suspect you know this, so I'm unsure what you meant... Sylvain --94eb2c0b52788634af053e0b7297 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 11:02 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk= > wrote:
That's cool, but what about the (e= xpensive?) need to upgrade
development software?

I haven't bought a co= mpiler or IDE since Borland's Turbo C++ almost 30 years ago.
Excellent IDE are freely available for whatever OS an= d coding style you prefer, but I suspect you know this, so I'm unsure w= hat you meant...
Sylvain
--94eb2c0b52788634af053e0b7297-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 23:30:06 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20DFD143919; Tue, 4 Oct 2016 23:30:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Amy X Neuburg Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_09DDF2F5-0D57-42F9-BB03-399E18AFED61" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Subject: Re: Would love your input, stories, suggestions Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 16:30:03 -0700 References: <5AFC6C9F-7BF7-458F-A0D6-C2D78118B63F@icloud.com> ,<5A9DEAB4-AC0F-4D26-BCAD-B33B982C85C2@isproductions.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - zosma.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - isproductions.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: zosma.lunarpages.com: authenticated_id: amyx@isproductions.com X-Authenticated-Sender: zosma.lunarpages.com: amyx@isproductions.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 23:30:06 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_09DDF2F5-0D57-42F9-BB03-399E18AFED61 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Awesome rant!! I want to set this to music. On Oct 4, 2016, at 1:33 AM, David Mason wrote: > This is a GREAT question. I'm currently chewing nails trying to get my = loverly new @#$#&%* crap-shit evil Windows 10 upgrade to swallow the = stuff I need for a certain semi-day job of mine. I'm kinda busy, so the = only time I can dedicate to it is from 11pm to 6am. I'll just PAY = somebody to sleep for me, I guess. But, before the pitchforks and = torches, I think it's important to find out WHAT drives this. It looks = to be an almost... unique, creepy FORCE of it's own. CIRCULAR.... I = mean, everybody involved acknowledges that it's happening, that "feature = creep" is constantly evolving stuff WAY past anything most of us want or = need - I get SO SICK of stuff popping up "Do you want to...?" NO I = DON'T!!! SHUT UP, don't call me, I'll call you... etc. I don't know for = SURE why bright young programmers keep ladening down programs with more = and more curlicues, thereby forcing hardware to "greater" heights, = thereby allowing bright young programmers more "room" to fill up with = yet more bizarre useless features - but I STRONGLY SUSPECT it has to do = with the capitalist need to KEEP selling more products. Like, lead = pencils have kinda settle down, right? Cedar wood, graphite, yellow = paint, eraser. Hoo-ray, win-win scenario. But Bill Gates can't really = tell the staff "the program we made last year is so great I'll pay you = to do nothing for a few years!" Push, push, push... I had REALLY wanted = to stick with Windows XP for a few more years, but they just CANCELLED = out replacement PRINTER CARTRIDGES for XP-compatible PRINTERS! And more = importantly, STOPPED SECURITY UPGRADES. If this isn't just raw T. = Rex-emulating capitalism - munch, munch - it MAY BE SATAN!!! Which is = probably easier, but you STILL have to figure WHEN to jam the stick in = the wheel spokes so he falls off his tricycle and skins his knee and = $TOP$ DICKING WITH U$ FOR A LITTLE WHILE. $igh.=20 > From: Amy X Neuburg > Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 12:29:32 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Would love your input, stories, suggestions > =20 > Folks -- >=20 > This thread on Mobius problems with the new system is interesting. I = use Mobius in my performances; my musical career is absolutely dependent = on it. It works consistently well on the old system I am running, which = I cannot upgrade until I get a new mixer/interface, because the one I = have used to create my current repertoire requires MLAN software that = Yamaha stopped making several years ago. Porting my songs over to a = different technology (say a MIDI fader box and all effects in software), = could easily take months, so I plan to take time off from performing = next year in order to do nothing but that. >=20 > That kind of sucks. >=20 > Later this month I am giving a talk at Project BBQ (a yearly think = tank of audio professionals -- http://www.projectbarbq.com) on the topic = of how the pressure to constantly upgrade software, forcing one to often = upgrade hardware, causing one to have to re-program, re-think and = sometimes abandon one's compositions=E2=80=A6 affects the life of a = working artist, or really anyone dependent on uninterrupted use of these = products. >=20 > At the same time, clearly advances in technology have been stunning, = and it's great to be able to take advantage of them. >=20 > I'm looking for: > a) any interesting stories you might have about how upgrades have = caused disruption to your art, and > b) any constructive suggestions for this group of professionals. How = might they support artists who are dependent on their products? How = might they continue to develop new products but keep us happy as well, = and make this profitable? What about trying harder to keep upgrades = compatible with older software/hardware? Are there options to having to = purchase new laptops every few years? >=20 > Thanks all! I welcome your input on this ever-prevalent topic. I want = to be helpful to artists in this talk -- it's an opportunity to speak = directly to the folks who actually make the stuff=E2=80=A6. what would = you like to tell them or ask them? >=20 > xx >=20 > =CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80= =CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80 > Amy X Neuburg > http://www.amyxneuburg.com > =CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80= =CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80 >=20 > On Sep 26, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Richard Sales = wrote: >=20 >> Yes indeed. My question nowadays is, Who's serving who? >> And it's a question that can range very wide - and reach into the = deepest changes and most important elements in our culture. Tell you = the Truth? I'm a little worried. And I'm not the worrying kind. >>=20 >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 9:07 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando = wrote: >>=20 >> I used to really love technology. >>=20 >> Isn't that the truth :-) >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> richard sales >> www.glasswing.com >> Hope is the thing with feathers that perches in the soul - Emily = Dickinson >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_09DDF2F5-0D57-42F9-BB03-399E18AFED61 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On Oct 4, 2016, at 1:33 = AM, David Mason <stubhead@hotmail.com> = wrote:

This is a GREAT question. = I'm currently chewing nails trying to get my loverly new @#$#&%* = crap-shit evil Windows 10 upgrade to swallow the stuff I need for a = certain semi-day job of mine. I'm kinda busy, so the only time I can = dedicate to it is from 11pm to 6am. I'll just PAY somebody to sleep for me, I guess. But, before = the pitchforks and torches, I think it's important to find out WHAT = drives this. It looks to be an almost... unique, creepy FORCE of it's = own. CIRCULAR.... I mean, everybody involved acknowledges that it's happening, that "feature creep" is constantly evolving stuff = WAY past anything most of us want or need - I get SO SICK of stuff = popping up "Do you want to...?" NO I DON'T!!! SHUT UP, don't call me, = I'll call you... etc. I don't know for SURE why bright young programmers keep ladening down programs with more and more = curlicues, thereby forcing hardware to "greater" heights, thereby = allowing bright young programmers more "room" to fill up with yet more = bizarre useless features - but I STRONGLY SUSPECT it has to do with the capitalist need to KEEP selling more products. = Like, lead pencils have kinda settle down, right? Cedar wood, graphite, = yellow paint, eraser. Hoo-ray, win-win scenario. But Bill Gates can't = really tell the staff "the program we made last year is so great I'll pay you to do nothing for a few years!" Push, = push, push... I had REALLY wanted to stick with Windows XP for a few = more years, but they just CANCELLED out replacement PRINTER CARTRIDGES = for XP-compatible PRINTERS! And more importantly, STOPPED SECURITY UPGRADES. If this isn't just raw T. Rex-emulating = capitalism - munch, munch - it MAY BE SATAN!!! Which is probably easier, = but you STILL have to figure WHEN to jam the stick in the wheel spokes = so he falls off his tricycle and skins his knee and $TOP$ DICKING WITH U$ FOR A LITTLE WHILE. $igh.


From: Amy X Neuburg <amyx@isproductions.com>
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 12:29:32 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
Subject: Would love your input, stories, suggestions
 
Folks --

This thread on Mobius problems with the new system is interesting. = I use Mobius in my performances; my musical career is absolutely = dependent on it. It works consistently well on the old system I am = running, which I cannot upgrade until I get a new mixer/interface, because the one I have used to create my current repertoire requires = MLAN software that Yamaha stopped making several years ago. Porting my = songs over to a different technology (say a MIDI fader box and all = effects in software), could easily take months, so I plan to take time off from performing next year in order to do = nothing but that.

That kind of sucks.

Later this month I am giving a talk at Project BBQ (a yearly think = tank of audio professionals -- http://www.projectbarbq.com) = on the topic of how the pressure to constantly upgrade software, forcing = one to often upgrade hardware, causing one to have to re-program, re-think and = sometimes abandon one's compositions=E2=80=A6 affects the life of a = working artist, or really anyone dependent on uninterrupted use of these = products.

At the same time, clearly advances in technology have been = stunning, and it's great to be able to take advantage of them.

I'm looking for:
a) any interesting stories you might have about how upgrades have = caused disruption  to your art, and
b) any constructive suggestions for this group of professionals. = How might they support artists who are dependent on their products? How = might they continue to develop new products but keep us happy as well, = and make this profitable? What about trying harder to keep upgrades compatible with older software/hardware? Are = there options to having to purchase new laptops every few years?

Thanks all! I welcome your input on this ever-prevalent topic. I = want to be helpful to artists in this talk -- it's an opportunity to = speak directly to the folks who actually make the stuff=E2=80=A6. what = would you like to tell them or ask them?

xx

=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF= =80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80
Amy X Neuburg
http://www.amyxneuburg.com
= =CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF= =80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80

On Sep 26, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Richard Sales <richard@glasswing.com> = wrote:

Yes indeed.  = My question nowadays is, Who's serving who?
And it's a = question that can range very wide - and reach into the deepest changes = and most important elements in our culture.  Tell you the = Truth?  I'm a little worried. And I'm not the worrying kind.

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 9:07 AM, Kevin = Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:

I used to really love technology.

Isn't that the truth :-)



--
richard sales
www.glasswing.com

Hope is the thing with feathers that perches = in the soul - Emily Dickinson



= --Apple-Mail=_09DDF2F5-0D57-42F9-BB03-399E18AFED61-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 02:10:21 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EBDF143918; Wed, 5 Oct 2016 02:10:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2039 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at arsenic; Wed, 05 Oct 2016 02:10:21 UTC To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" From: Rick Walker Subject: Re: Would love your input, stories, Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 18:34:54 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9ubOtC.A.0RE.NEG9XB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 02:10:21 +0000 (UTC) After 17 years of using FL Studio (without ever having to pay for an upgrade) they just changed their GUI for version 12.0; right in the middle of a project I'm in I made the foolish decision to upgrade (it's free because I own it). It has totally thrown me for a loop. Ironically, I'm going to go looking for an illegal copy of an older version to re-install it. My studio is also on Win 7 which works like a charm. I kept hearing horror stories about Win 8 and haven't particularly liked the desktop structure of either 8 or 10. On top of that, I have some beautiful old VSTs that haven't been made for 15 years and I'm afraid of upgrading to 10 for fear they won't work. Oh well, I have a system now that I can make recordings on for the rest of my life, so I'm probably not going to upgrade anything unless I am forced to. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 02:15:55 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60A6A143919; Wed, 5 Oct 2016 02:15:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 43407 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at arsenic; Wed, 05 Oct 2016 02:15:55 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=helpwantedproductions.com; h=message-id:from:to:subject:date:content-type:mime-version; s= helpwantedproductions.com; bh=7z2Ts6LpYcn8Jd+eA9t6PBfzU6Y=; b=HR vfz0t5HMvfmnnxvKdXDapZOaV3gzUGSiPWaM3E0EC2CGomfDpttoF6Gd+wUpuX3h Sfr3dItAmEAUj91hECGQcHmp2rQt2vBX1tD6+7tlGb4ESvbUP43U7CBB7NBhwhIU 183WpPe0P6JkOQ5ZxYDOyaSpZ39j+cIn3XXGMRf5U= Message-Id: <5758815437d3f7ad0001ced776371a072e3e1630@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Atmail 7.5.3 X-Originating-IP: 72.94.250.36 Subject: Digitech Jamman stereo Ext pedal info? Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2016 07:12:25 -0700 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_40f8615e43b261398ae915c845915028" MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 02:15:55 +0000 (UTC) --=_40f8615e43b261398ae915c845915028 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0AI'm picking up a digitech jamman stereo and want to DIY a foot switch= =0Ato go in the Ext in to handle reverse only (don't need the other=0Afu= nctions or the bulky "official" FS3X. I laos have about a half dozen=0Av= arious generic foot switches with 1/4" ends. =C2=A0It looks like the Ext= =0Ain on the jamman wants a stereo tip/ring/sleeve cable. Does anyone=0A= have the pin out or info on what goes where on the FS3X or what wires=0A= I need to attach to to just get the reverse out?=0A=0ARelated has anyone= successfully just used a generic one button=0Afootswitch to do reverse= and if so what kind of cable/connector did it=0Ahave?=0A=0ASorry if thi= s has been discussed before, feel free to point me to=0Asites or email d= irect if so. Thanks for any/all help!=0A=0A --=_40f8615e43b261398ae915c845915028 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm picking up a digitech jamman stereo and want to DIY a fo= ot switch to go in the Ext in to handle reverse only (don't need the oth= er functions or the bulky "official" FS3X. I laos have about a half doze= n various generic foot switches with 1/4" ends. =C2=A0It looks like the= Ext in on the jamman wants a stereo tip/ring/sleeve cable. Does anyone= have the pin out or info on what goes where on the FS3X or what wires I= need to attach to to just get the reverse out?

Relat= ed has anyone successfully just used a generic one button footswitch to= do reverse and if so what kind of cable/connector did it have?

Sorry if this has been discussed before, feel free to p= oint me to sites or email direct if so. Thanks for any/all help!



--=_40f8615e43b261398ae915c845915028-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 02:38:23 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A043F143919; Wed, 5 Oct 2016 02:38:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Naz7EPaAWKUtzLj2y4IOJL+TwB+JFPycHid/cCt14Jw=; b=b1OtcAB4pU0OnX4pJ0PRfvDlaLKRzaDdPLB5v+YY2Z6T7ewQaNNdVbDl8tHC4H2Wbx DXzfQZFsFPHskRTbQcyRepV7ixiMPYNfXY8t2hJqDXZjs2GSyfcBYJZo/Zdn0IpWRySk Fus3SLnVZgEPgKaQOc8Mai2+Xax9gNGTa95ZOF2LaNHoGeZXul5MUbOE3kC6vUtX4Q7B Yq2eafvfQZ6MK2TpwLHPrq4qPJuH6kb8jxXUEfCAUN+dCl5ilzFQvt0dMSoE45D90txh vfZxWHp8MjfUJDD8t/0ryxkMIUyyNAp3vkIIIg13Z+0htidjO7VeCw+eZlRjM+btzB5o H2xQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=Naz7EPaAWKUtzLj2y4IOJL+TwB+JFPycHid/cCt14Jw=; b=MP3njqHtoEuaf5J0UiNz/UZI9mEZamZSuuiPr2ng3H/vbAdpDtbWkMl4F3dvEjkGfP U6ODOK8GuK0YOzMQ8IDJjXS9rHBog5yf3/cWsCUssRkic/G/acKqYRzv/cD/E19pPxIz Bsiw7ol5ldlw6ttrHH8o6fUTUiFhxKQ0m6sJm5znsHPvhv8IxiL128JlC2JupKg6lByn Hjhc3NpwueyELZwYhGCrnTQfmS/nF4JaHwgO0xR2VF6nk6EkHTfoN3csu45jJLUHbtEn v3/ZZPl67e1gQlKfBdYn3UiPjbWe9cM4kwl/2quK2oBH6yv911Bg3kbd69ayXAwtEQjk kuCg== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9Rkv081f+NQ14OU7NzW8KUvvebHnPn1f+pEbaUblWVkWA3CZFuXuvzTY06QykLD4/8eyJAn0Ng7MCq+NSg== X-Received: by 10.176.1.98 with SMTP id 89mr3980024uak.99.1475635102689; Tue, 04 Oct 2016 19:38:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Lightsight TranZenDance Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 21:38:22 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Would love your input, stories, To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 02:38:23 +0000 (UTC) Hello Richard how are things going for you and haley at Glasswing? the Roland GM-70 synth rackmount you sent me endedup being for a keyboard but im still confused how to get it up and running for guitars because it has guitar inputs as well and tech friend assures me its made for piano type synth... my boomerang + is too expensive to get repaired/shipped but miss it the most... getting by with Line6 POD hd500 & a Boss ME 25 but want to eventually get a stereo boomerang/sidecar setup to integrate into existing setup... still chipping away at new prototype guitars im building when i can... Namaste Abwoon D Bawashmaya On 10/4/16, Rick Walker wrote: > After 17 years of using FL Studio (without ever having to pay for an > upgrade) > they just changed their GUI for version 12.0; right in the middle of > a project I'm in > I made the foolish decision to upgrade (it's free because I own it). > It has totally thrown me for a loop. > > Ironically, I'm going to go looking for an illegal copy of an older > version to re-install it. > > My studio is also on Win 7 which works like a charm. > I kept hearing horror stories about Win 8 and haven't particularly > liked the > desktop structure of either 8 or 10. > > On top of that, I have some beautiful old VSTs that haven't been made > for 15 years > and I'm afraid of upgrading to 10 for fear they won't work. > > Oh well, I have a system now that I can make recordings on for the rest > of my life, so > I'm probably not going to upgrade anything unless I am forced to. > > Rick Walker > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 02:40:16 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84BD514391E; Wed, 5 Oct 2016 02:40:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=z7NP0c8hDYcUTmPnze/O6FEyxyO8PJjpJTYylDNk2U0=; b=l8kUQzdo9E7oOLIRlKSlyEheydyDbvIfsXgk0328zGID6rVe0umJ2mQO18tpO7uuME zsjoacLVu0So98ZzzaRRbhD6OhYYpgrVjLsCQvh8mZrwUzUOvTcJZq6ItC9Z4f62s6Mp bABDTSxzzN8F020uB5R8kWktz7P7p3j7OR61jCNKCMf7Kld6TKF5EKLs9j8GESYD96QW tyQDLHYooR2rb4S+I7Xp1B8Gh53orZELzSQrG1pv6eAYOnDWnYhDKaAX7PV+O+0qfSB9 nIpIT8tDegP0cVjIqdaxbTRQz4mQKetcySrjGHsROB6Q+UDNWMKcchtMMyPSm76bDQzg Jt5w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=z7NP0c8hDYcUTmPnze/O6FEyxyO8PJjpJTYylDNk2U0=; b=TLj8BhWR45R0Asz62v0pFANY8K7CxsgSXrLcZpB0p74dvvnAFZ4IhnTeGN15eHICoq cJgIXKYSdaADgAsamuuu1iPntkX7ueCdZHqc2kRTVa581O7TtZMtMJpDtx4qBrJJ9Tzu 8+Sk6wBVOtowYwQapb3sU1HYfkHPx7NQDbAd3gI/0pC3KirAUuw2lqNeK/MFE6kx7gkw Bz87MK9ZoHy8l5hEop0OEJb5157/xu57lrdLFUFAkkrvxNtpM8VT0EUw/YjrYRwYoMxs +qOQyRzJqmwCQnW3Xd+1rV/bJ12/Uq92A4+tp9BUCe+MldnxwO69U1iHfK2Y5ReKjo1T iNHQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9RkXgvHFJ7tZTdCIcr8dzqwYJEN8iWSFN39k7lDYVdJGP2oJea2JifcJfUk3DSCUc4aSedv8Tla/kCQUhQ== X-Received: by 10.31.166.213 with SMTP id p204mr4177833vke.16.1475635215526; Tue, 04 Oct 2016 19:40:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Lightsight TranZenDance Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 21:40:15 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Would love your input, stories, To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 02:40:16 +0000 (UTC) im streaming me and new bands Park Avenue Uprising & Amanita on stageTV "Lightsight" any of yous on there too? On 10/4/16, Lightsight TranZenDance wrote: > Hello Richard how are things going for you and haley at Glasswing? the > Roland GM-70 synth rackmount you sent me endedup being for a keyboard > but im still confused how to get it up and running for guitars because > it has guitar inputs as well and tech friend assures me its made for > piano type synth... my boomerang + is too expensive to get > repaired/shipped but miss it the most... getting by with Line6 POD > hd500 & a Boss ME 25 but want to eventually get a stereo > boomerang/sidecar setup to integrate into existing setup... still > chipping away at new prototype guitars im building when i can... > Namaste Abwoon D Bawashmaya > > On 10/4/16, Rick Walker wrote: >> After 17 years of using FL Studio (without ever having to pay for an >> upgrade) >> they just changed their GUI for version 12.0; right in the middle of >> a project I'm in >> I made the foolish decision to upgrade (it's free because I own it). >> It has totally thrown me for a loop. >> >> Ironically, I'm going to go looking for an illegal copy of an older >> version to re-install it. >> >> My studio is also on Win 7 which works like a charm. >> I kept hearing horror stories about Win 8 and haven't particularly >> liked the >> desktop structure of either 8 or 10. >> >> On top of that, I have some beautiful old VSTs that haven't been made >> for 15 years >> and I'm afraid of upgrading to 10 for fear they won't work. >> >> Oh well, I have a system now that I can make recordings on for the rest >> of my life, so >> I'm probably not going to upgrade anything unless I am forced to. >> >> Rick Walker >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 6 02:45:27 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA49114391D; Thu, 6 Oct 2016 02:45:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=IRXMaPtHiRYG78ziTJFjWe/TrKbi72XGfplahmE7+EQ=; b=jjo5rZy+s7oQTQzPMK9yrD4nO/Szk+2CbVfWlFPEfycErW8JQrMb05UXPcweJf9X6g QGINOms2wxoveW8LVUNI7oimVegu8/kCWR4vXCXSsTW/JQ5gDnqxWHGUqfPGJtDKAuAT jl63NqUIh6xyKKL96EhMFhMtcMzptRrvOLuFK72frqGlLmzL60CoYfqihnvbr4r8bGI2 nxMWKcwvT5l36wQGKyP4RpfN6u1sLBIx7XoZmuhgTFDF2pW0NGKFvGVcXRlrI+gVgy4R jYIHMbw4wVLb9LLAxNy1w8ffgfwaKFMJj/e08oCsDpVOXcrO54+9eAPsP4/bTh/uGZQq CisA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=IRXMaPtHiRYG78ziTJFjWe/TrKbi72XGfplahmE7+EQ=; b=E43rvjGzgfHgYCr/YR42UeuBjroHOCfpG9K/FoiszfFCVkBEW48Cf5TM0aZ4XHjggT uGFbXUa0SWQ0OicUiFT5F6YXc/RRvE95G7g9pI0i1I/tyxeaFd3cRb0Gksn6DQ9H2bJd B6YTsouczreQPPc986rrGcZfSQARNofVuxR7N38HK7s8fliOqPes49LQMhUTrDs+rGhN ZKtBCRglctS2FSPOYahm3yB1/IwaZsXTMAQfjlzxuMGI6XHrRSnZrgcOJolwQrF1uLXu T/UNHPiXnPuYtG+uBYFXNIHbuthSYsFCUVnsAQyC0loGDIBkiBoA8RDUWrnfmfGC2LIR kvrw== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9Rknn4cOk17gAtYBhExoMJoKV/rvBQiHTsq14jaTiga2MY7zTiSn++PflsTqFj3QFB3FFomebO4rWG/xpA== X-Received: by 10.55.44.69 with SMTP id s66mr13061445qkh.174.1475721926884; Wed, 05 Oct 2016 19:45:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5758815437d3f7ad0001ced776371a072e3e1630@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> References: <5758815437d3f7ad0001ced776371a072e3e1630@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> From: DogFaced Boy Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 22:45:26 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman stereo Ext pedal info? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114f65d03d4258053e294911 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 02:45:27 +0000 (UTC) --001a114f65d03d4258053e294911 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I THINK - no promises - all you need is an adapter cord or the doohickey that has a stereo plug or jack on one end, out to two mono ends (or jacks). And then one or the other of the mono ends can be hooked to the mono switch. You'll know it was the right mono end because it worked. And you'd know it wasn... well I can't say. I am NOT warranting diddly-bumkis here. Uhh, polarity switch? GAAAA.... I can wire fairly complicated stuff by following good drawings, but beside the concept that "current is like water" I don't know my jack from a hole in a wombat. I decided sometime last CENTURY (creak, mumble drool) that I wanted to play music ABOVE becoming a programmer and it shore kin set me a-howlin' sometimes. Sometimes I just keep plugging in and switching and re-plugging and re-switching until IT WORKS. Whoa! Caffeine.... On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 10:12 AM, wrote: > > I'm picking up a digitech jamman stereo and want to DIY a foot switch to > go in the Ext in to handle reverse only (don't need the other functions or > the bulky "official" FS3X. I laos have about a half dozen various generic > foot switches with 1/4" ends. It looks like the Ext in on the jamman wants > a stereo tip/ring/sleeve cable. Does anyone have the pin out or info on > what goes where on the FS3X or what wires I need to attach to to just get > the reverse out? > > Related has anyone successfully just used a generic one button footswitch > to do reverse and if so what kind of cable/connector did it have? > > Sorry if this has been discussed before, feel free to point me to sites or > email direct if so. Thanks for any/all help! > > > > --001a114f65d03d4258053e294911 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I THINK - no promises - all you need is an adapter cord or= the doohickey that has a stereo plug or jack on one end, out to two mono e= nds (or jacks). And then one or the other of the mono ends can be hooked to= the mono switch. You'll know it was the right mono end because it work= ed. And you'd know it wasn... well I can't say. I am NOT warranting= diddly-bumkis here. Uhh, polarity switch? GAAAA.... I can wire fairly comp= licated stuff by following good drawings, but beside the concept that "= ;current is like water" I don't know my jack from a hole in a womb= at. I decided sometime last CENTURY (creak, mumble drool) that I wanted to = play music ABOVE becoming a programmer and it shore kin set me a-howlin'= ; sometimes. Sometimes I just keep plugging in and switching and re-pluggin= g and re-switching until IT WORKS. Whoa! Caffeine....

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 10:1= 2 AM, <legion@helpwantedproductions.com> wro= te:

I'm picking up a digitech jamman st= ereo and want to DIY a foot switch to go in the Ext in to handle reverse on= ly (don't need the other functions or the bulky "official" FS= 3X. I laos have about a half dozen various generic foot switches with 1/4&q= uot; ends.=C2=A0 It looks like the Ext in on the jamman wants a stereo tip/= ring/sleeve cable. Does anyone have the pin out or info on what goes where = on the FS3X or what wires I need to attach to to just get the reverse out?<= div>
Related has anyone successfully just used a generic one = button footswitch to do reverse and if so what kind of cable/connector did = it have?

Sorry if this has been discussed before, = feel free to point me to sites or email direct if so. Thanks for any/all he= lp!




--001a114f65d03d4258053e294911-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 6 03:21:58 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 793C114391F; Thu, 6 Oct 2016 03:21:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=O6RV4EX7Vjx2ufrsOtU1cYRUxmsdm5wDsofhKzSRxPU=; b=EpqR+GwaiX7WIWT4E/8X5z70NTyYxES2iVbVekUSrKngUG+Ana03QURHus7omqDxGr 1TxWzyU0lk6/iJaLxJxLhbTAmF50neDiwsXhzhXSDcns3PzbcZP2HKQBBmXJfKIMedpq GxaqMIv3nZyhZJcg/Xw9oPRKaXDRy9/Bd7G1okj94ePENXb5Q62487CpB34GzUGjc9CK +q59lNkpazGydwkPiWUQt0dqH4/DbWrkGPgoAgS3OEWMaTuXnjP7GgsSjZ499kK/xwG1 7I5q+tQ1SeIAunVJCxSJKtG1238FA/n+S2EcBSv1i0o/j1PhWcMHQ2o0AjYfszp0Jugk V2+w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=O6RV4EX7Vjx2ufrsOtU1cYRUxmsdm5wDsofhKzSRxPU=; b=bn3abtwwLtPqRnbHEXqU/EQ1ABNMDaI9VBlL0jAIB6gAKOh1pVsol1I4KerZtk+SU0 yy5otLa2VsLC1IGPfXoxievtARoDnJWeNzCdcZ9z4qM2nUvzLpMFDg74rOBJi7yxikiH NFVHFyhGTcnhMCIB5STAc0dJRIuHUATzVq+i5dkTBBoNoDX4ufZWk60jAXAii9s7PQrz URMJSQbqw+emAkXnvCEV48WzcpQ+L2NtwyS2jtZIFBTatZ+1l2Hn86zQv5r3A4t4OD9B GwbHZvKLY8Hl7oEIwcT0vBNXtAjsOA7zT7MirCVlW4VMfd78Q3eojnBxlJx1rYw1HTE4 JmGw== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9RnKRHcWhpssB38bLbCQ6Nt2tn5eRSTZNiJx03yhLCRl3WKtBCf4sajKCUVOkOar2jryRM1g0Yqzr2olLw== X-Received: by 10.200.45.124 with SMTP id o57mr11230880qta.90.1475724117749; Wed, 05 Oct 2016 20:21:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1475519150.1475367.744550473.16C95F65@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1475364910.3412968.743065025.763AF33C@webmail.messagingengine.com> <76FB781B-04EE-47A7-8FF3-9273F02B0301@earthlink.net> <1475519150.1475367.744550473.16C95F65@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: DogFaced Boy Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 23:21:57 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Introducing LoopRecorder To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1143a410d33520053e29cbfd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 03:21:58 +0000 (UTC) --001a1143a410d33520053e29cbfd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 10/5 - the video's already gone? On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 2:25 PM, wrote: > Hi, > We are meanly selling this plugin for 24EUR at the moment, but you can > download and use the (time limited) demo for free. > Hopefully you'll find it useful, > Best, > 4drX > > On Mon, Oct 3, 2016, at 08:05 PM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > > Are you actually sharing this with us, or is this an product > > announcement? > > > > On Oct 1, 2016, at 19:35, spam@cluemail.com wrote: > > > > Hi there, > > We'd like to share our recently released AU/VST 32/64bit plugin > > LoopRecorder with all of you: > > http://4drx.com/plugins/looprecorder > > (There are a few video demos in this site) > > Enjoy! > > 4drX > > > > > > > > --001a1143a410d33520053e29cbfd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
10/5 - the video's already gone?

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 2:25= PM, <spam@cluemail.com> wrote:
Hi,
We are meanly selling this plugin for 24EUR at the moment, but you can
download and use the (time limited) demo for free.
Hopefully you'll find it useful,
Best,
4drX

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016, at 08:05 PM, Charles Zwicky wrote:
> Are you actually sharing this with us, or is this an product
> announcement?
>
> On Oct 1, 2016, at 19:35, spam@cl= uemail.com wrote:
>
> Hi there,
> We'd like to share our recently released AU/VST 32/64bit plugin > LoopRecorder with all of you:
> http://4drx.com/plugins/looprecorder
> (There are a few video demos in this site)
> Enjoy!
> 4drX
>
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--001a1143a410d33520053e29cbfd-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 6 08:28:40 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 204A5143920; Thu, 6 Oct 2016 08:28:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Would love your input, stories, To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: From: andy butler Reply-To: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk Message-ID: <57F60B45.7000703@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 09:28:53 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.0.0.1202-22620.006 X-TM-AS-Result: No--4.873-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--4.873-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: scwq2vQP8OGjtCrsGOmWbia1MaKuob8PC/ExpXrHizxzudJS0nma3hab +GVe/KqnJa+j7uN5ofYhCQHM2/Ldjhc1U+EFS2myQmUmxs/F14O/yN2q8U674hPsmTaJZY8G7Mr RaiahEJYpsjZbIqWKSTn/14gaa8iM+71xKm8m88BwUSK4/EeOxb3gm8md8Wse9dNl0tUcmYwF3w dbJclYnv6q7EHPZqf6kZOl7WKIImrvXOvQVlExsN1asM/801mn39OVLSI1ClVQSFbL1bvQASdET 58jp62SUeke+mphmQXp/4EpyBsSMRNC5hK1CvOwxX1pwQcYQ14tDNuNjXzaJECTnTOgsyovJEUn i4yBx91kNxQ5gI4zLHpeBCfWBCRJyXKn2DA23YbyjDhHFBjPDrqGQ1CQf3vq3Xa2KfzJ+TnVFZf TjbaXlQ== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 08:28:40 +0000 (UTC) On 05/10/2016 02:34, Rick Walker wrote: > > I kept hearing horror stories about Win 8 and haven't particularly liked the > desktop structure of either 8 or 10. Well with 8 it's just a matter of installing free 3rd party software to get the (essential) desktop back. It *does* seem a deal harder to run (some) legacy software on it though. Haven't ventured to Win10, let's face it the clue is in the name "Windows", for years those of us who wanted to run more than one application, or even just view more than one document at a time had the option to open more than one Window on the desktop. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 6 09:26:32 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88DFA143920; Thu, 6 Oct 2016 09:26:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: andy butler Subject: Re: Would love your input, stories, suggestions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <5AFC6C9F-7BF7-458F-A0D6-C2D78118B63F@icloud.com> <5A9DEAB4-AC0F-4D26-BCAD-B33B982C85C2@isproductions.com> <57F3C498.8020507@tiscali.co.uk> Reply-To: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk Message-ID: <57F618D3.6070600@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 10:26:43 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030801030605070109070904" X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.0.0.1202-22620.006 X-TM-AS-Result: No--6.211-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--6.211-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: 1GZI+iG+MtejtCrsGOmWbnyisJcA82QkELbqrOgWzyd8hPGjnX+2cNX3 HuAvaX8y1Fc61VCGvh2afExbWmyZs4dszls10zAVSy346PTLSWxRpm3QwTcQ0CS30GKAkBxW8Y4 M3Je8CzSxhfiJ/jl+gdeLvYysMX46UKy/w6wtmG6dtRmRhPNchlQQ0EgzIoPRB4sIhfTjqIFKsl M7VUaEwSes0DQs1NPoV0R9BKY3nmvIDWKFjjZHby+PrAd8gbHJCFEIkVv1y6z1A1kEeXE28fx3W 7bNueYGMM4dqhQkVolncviyus0oC3Bib4xox+Ta5BgEdUqqANTEkmLzgU2Kepsoi2XrUn/JlR1c T9YafQUD0yuKrQIMCK70QVVXsVhW0C1sQRfQzEFsZUSYh+N/e7RVd9vXRvnhWXMBOHDvnsWU65/ 82aoNtieC7I+eGHOwP2Yl2L53rKBSRYS2zthiugfYUZjX9CNbDBeLIkRyWDCaBKBcujQPxg== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 09:26:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030801030605070109070904 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit very true, for my commercial development software the cost is a pain. andy On 04/10/2016 16:09, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 11:02 AM, andy butler > wrote: > > That's cool, but what about the (expensive?) need to upgrade > development software? > > > I haven't bought a compiler or IDE since Borland's Turbo C++ almost 30 years ago. > Excellent IDE are freely available for whatever OS and coding style you prefer, but I suspect you know this, so I'm unsure what you meant... > Sylvain --------------030801030605070109070904 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit very true,
for my commercial development software the cost is a pain.

andy

On 04/10/2016 16:09, Sylvain Poitras wrote:

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 11:02 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
That's cool, but what about the (expensive?) need to upgrade
development software?

I haven't bought a compiler or IDE since Borland's Turbo C++ almost 30 years ago.
Excellent IDE are freely available for whatever OS and coding style you prefer, but I suspect you know this, so I'm unsure what you meant...
Sylvain

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Message-ID: Subject: Mourning DOS Re: Would love your input, stories To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f403045d8e829c6a9e053e310db1 Resent-Message-ID: <9BOTr.A.sPH.X0j9XB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 12:01:27 +0000 (UTC) --f403045d8e829c6a9e053e310db1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I have felt left behind by a technological rapture several times. So much wonderful DOS software stopped working with Windows 95 - I particularly felt the loss of RAVEL, MusicBox and Sound Globs. Jim Binkley's RAVEL system - a dedicated parallel language that only ran on an MPU-401. I remember having an extra-large laptop so I could run and MPU-401 in it. I have kept a 1992 Pentium running DOS 6 since then just to use it (even though I moved on to things like PureData) Here is stuff about RAVEL ftp://ftp.cs.uu.nl/pub/MIDI/DOC/ravel.doc (it's not a doc, it's a text file you can read in your browser). People like Warren Burt used RAVEL in the 80s Jon Dunn's MusicBox, which let me play with a pretend hardware sequencer I couldn't afford long before such things were commonplace http://www.algoart.com/musicbox/algmbox.html It evolved into the Kinetic Music Machine. There was another one - SoundGlobs? - had temperament setting so you could write 19-tone algorithmic stuff. You could program in a Gamelan, or automate a Raga machine. Yes, it sounded truly awful by today's standards, but it had a kind of magic to it. It stopped working an age ago Funny how with time using the old box has come to be almost a performance practice thing, like playing a harpsichord or a viol da gamba. I have an oriiginal Roland U-110 MT-32 and things like that. I know I could do more and more easily with an iPad, but I love how I can make it do what I want (the old DOS computer). --f403045d8e829c6a9e053e310db1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I hav= e felt left behind by a technological rapture several times.=C2=A0

So much wonderful DOS software stopped working with Window= s 95 - I particularly felt the loss of RAVEL, MusicBox and Sound Globs.

Jim Binkley's RAVEL system - a dedicated parallel= language that only ran on an MPU-401. I remember having an extra-large lap= top so I could run and MPU-401 in it. I have kept a 1992 Pentium running DO= S 6 since then just to use it (even though I moved on to things like PureDa= ta) Here is stuff about RAVEL=C2=A0ftp://ftp.cs.uu.nl/pub/MIDI/DOC/ravel.= doc (it's not a doc, it's a text file you can read in your brow= ser). People like Warren Burt used RAVEL in the 80s=C2=A0

Jon Dunn's MusicBox, which let me play with a pretend hardware = sequencer I couldn't afford long before such things were commonplace = =C2=A0 http://www.algoart.com/musicbox/algmbox.html It evolved int= o the Kinetic Music Machine.

There was another one= - SoundGlobs? - had temperament setting so you could write 19-tone algorit= hmic stuff. You could program in a Gamelan, or automate a Raga machine. Yes= , it sounded truly awful by today's standards, but it had a kind of mag= ic to it. It stopped working an age ago

Funny = how with time using the old box has come to be almost a performance practic= e thing, like playing a harpsichord or a viol da gamba. I have an oriiginal= Roland U-110 MT-32 and things like that. I know I could do more and more e= asily with an iPad, but I love how I can make it do what I want (the old DO= S computer).=C2=A0



--f403045d8e829c6a9e053e310db1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 6 12:10:27 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 262F4143924; Thu, 6 Oct 2016 12:10:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=glasswing-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=ovX9TPflCYojCQwe49rsfPB5eOy//usZPgm7uVPtzKo=; b=uyKxVA/v00MykT3XfePJ7Uphv0tJ31Mn+xcUv4jjSsk19CtHgsKCHwBdZ1Pl4DitOh GxuSLGqWImJP6O69AUNVQzPoJQVTCaTmARdu9qj2DldMwaP2kTofHUau4J4b57+DioXb u4MN6I+0TnC5zmPX+mtbP7lgZrIdMbnmiRnrgszc3seU/mFLXhQHKngVuwqjNl/Zmrie JM41V0TZt39GL7VfPj+9lAi6vYiTaE52d9/knOsiuqsj5ihf/fTl3Qr1i2bZcqwTuA9I KQPFOgrWPHDY4tx2dz6aVhGhPqjWfLzAPDUmqZsVUKFii5zlNqfToqpu6jtNMW0ruWrO UAlw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=ovX9TPflCYojCQwe49rsfPB5eOy//usZPgm7uVPtzKo=; b=m/GydCwP6gVhdtm3kW6JVnFqa7sCFjsbFAMWY4p00E27wu33de4G57RE3QIUbmJheG 2V7JjKF1De+jImICJBBEoEaVJkiTcawapbDv6W2SqsiGXK+wH7pSRI757yutABmxKWuR KJjKvpHcfNgDM5ekWL7+WmZCb22mfzADBBcMVLJFZkupIQwi/5U26VMbiZMyiajBJ/lx iDxGF8M/VdaKEFv+gdvkH6jTdnZl7MXbLX/sfLQMWt47PzSZhiG1aQDl/vgYFMc6sB1o zJ7mQBF5MoOm0WsgnILQa3UxPH8n4ONu5c4RG9w/qGq5pfYRCOLAfW+HrBZfN26rjlGK MOfw== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9Rlp7gAU078YJMp/lGpbDG/O/JdpJbaQLB7kFoDUSKaOVDUE0tgnSvcv+KAaqKO6BHZNqw0ELe2vdmxLRg== X-Received: by 10.176.86.198 with SMTP id c6mr9083225uab.114.1475755826233; Thu, 06 Oct 2016 05:10:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <5AFC6C9F-7BF7-458F-A0D6-C2D78118B63F@icloud.com> <5A9DEAB4-AC0F-4D26-BCAD-B33B982C85C2@isproductions.com> From: Richard Sales Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 05:10:02 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Would love your input, stories, suggestions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c1b27facc5560053e312dec Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 12:10:27 +0000 (UTC) --94eb2c1b27facc5560053e312dec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No question software is incredibly vulnerable to planned entropy. I've spent a fortune keeping up with the digital Joneses but turns out the digital Joneses are all hula skirts and Hawaiian shirts and no palm trees or ocean - or as they say in country music, 'All hat, no horse'. They keep adding bells and whistles to every aspect of the experience that clog the data arteries. Go figure. The move from regular wires to db25 which started around eight years ago has cost me a couple thousand pints of blood and totally forces new logic on my studio design. I don't know if anything was gained from that. Dats, ADATS... all worth about as much as a used mousetrap these days. The old saw is, Digital is a capitalist's wet dream. Like buying a car that, in five years you won't be able to find tires or gasoline for. Revamping the wiring of my studio now. It's like Extreme Tetris. Enormous logistics, turning the Rubric's Cube this way and that and each time seeing new options and better, more ergonomic ways to set it up. As I said before, I used to love technology but now I pretty much resent its time sucking intrusion into my creative process. High tech used to work for me, but now I work for it! And the improvements strike me as running downhill. It's a transfer of wealth from the creative class to technology. So my forty year spending spree is pretty much over - as Rick Walker was sort of saying. I'm not paying Avid $1000 a year to subscribe to hardware and software (Pro Tools HDX) I've owned for decades. Someone in a third world country could feed, house, raise and educate a family of twelve... and retire in comfort for what I've spent on this stuff. I do think someone could make a fine living stripping out all the bells and whistles from the OS and selling those versions to recently born again, time strapped Luddites like me. Same with software function of DAWs. There's nothing like a great guitar and great amp. It's the willing spouse that's ever attractive and exotically faithful. Add some pedals and your kingdom has come! Of course, there's 20 fine guitars on my wall now and ten fine amps in the back room, but as long as I fire 'em up once a month, they will be singing long after this very expensive digital stuff has gone to the recycling centre... or sold for $200. Don't think my AxeFX II XL+ will be worth a dozen sets of guitar strings in ten years - but it IS fun. There are some good digital companies like Spectrasonics that makes Omnisphere. Also Native Instruments big Kontakt, although integration into Vienna Ensemble Pro requires huge Tetris finagling and hours under the hood trying to get the pistons all moving harmoniously. I just wanted to play music - not fly the Starship Enterprise! I'm hoping this studio revision will make it easier, but I'm sure the software update/upgrade guys will do all they can to eat my precious time. My current thoughts on Time? Don't spend it all in one place! :) Richard Sales On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 4:13 AM, Ivodne Galatea wrote: > And then there was the nightmare of Logic Pro stopping accepting 32-bit > plugins in the upgrade from 9 to X. For those of us who upgraded while > sleep-deprived and deleted the old one to save room on our battle-weary > 2009 macbooks it meant a sudden loss of facility that took breath away. I > certainly didn't have the wherewithal to buy new shiny 64-bit plugins, an= d > most of the old ones had developers who had disappeared. And I didn't wan= t > to lose the intuition I had developed with the old plugins. > It wasn't until that company SoundRadix brought out 32-lives that I could > exhale. > > I know the logic of shifting to 64-bit and addressability and legacy code= , > but it really felt abusive. Facing it all over again now that my laptop > won't run the new MacOs. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > From: amyx@isproductions.com > Subject: Would love your input, stories, suggestions > Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 21:29:32 -0700 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Folks -- > > This thread on Mobius problems with the new system is interesting. I use > Mobius in my performances; my musical career is absolutely dependent on i= t. > It works consistently well on the old system I am running, which I cannot > upgrade until I get a new mixer/interface, because the one I have used to > create my current repertoire requires MLAN software that Yamaha stopped > making several years ago. Porting my songs over to a different technology > (say a MIDI fader box and all effects in software), could easily take > months, so I plan to take time off from performing next year in order to = do > nothing but that. > > That kind of sucks. > > Later this month I am giving a talk at Project BBQ (a yearly think tank o= f > audio professionals -- http://www.projectbarbq.com) on the topic of how > the pressure to constantly upgrade software, forcing one to often upgrade > hardware, causing one to have to re-program, re-think and sometimes aband= on > one's compositions. affects the life of a working artist, or really anyon= e > dependent on uninterrupted use of these products. > > At the same time, clearly advances in technology have been stunning, and > it's great to be able to take advantage of them. > > I'm looking for: > a) any interesting stories you might have about how upgrades have caused > disruption to your art, and > b) any constructive suggestions for this group of professionals. How migh= t > they support artists who are dependent on their products? How might they > continue to develop new products but keep us happy as well, and make this > profitable? What about trying harder to keep upgrades compatible with old= er > software/hardware? Are there options to having to purchase new laptops > every few years? > > Thanks all! I welcome your input on this ever-prevalent topic. I want to > be helpful to artists in this talk -- it's an opportunity to speak direct= ly > to the folks who actually make the stuff.. what would you like to tell th= em > or ask them? > > xx > > =CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80= =CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80 > Amy X Neuburg > http://www.amyxneuburg.com > =CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80= =CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80 > > On Sep 26, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Richard Sales wrote= : > > Yes indeed. My question nowadays is, Who's serving who? > And it's a question that can range very wide - and reach into the deepest > changes and most important elements in our culture. Tell you the Truth? > I'm a little worried. And I'm not the worrying kind. > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 9:07 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando > wrote: > > > I used to really love technology. > > Isn't that the truth :-) > > > > -- > *richard sales* > www.glasswing.com > *Hope is the thing with feathers that perches in the soul - **Emily > Dickinson* > > > --=20 *richard sales* www.glasswing.com *Hope is the thing with feathers that perches in the soul - **Emily Dickinson* --94eb2c1b27facc5560053e312dec Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No = question software is incredibly vulnerable to planned entropy.=C2=A0 I'= ve spent a fortune keeping up with the digital Joneses but turns out the di= gital Joneses are all hula skirts and Hawaiian shirts and no palm trees or = ocean - or as they say in country music, 'All hat, no horse'.=C2=A0= They keep adding bells and whistles to every aspect of the experience that= clog the data arteries.=C2=A0 Go figure.=C2=A0

The move from regular wires to db25 which started ar= ound eight years ago has cost me a couple thousand pints of blood and total= ly forces new logic on my studio design.=C2=A0 I don't know if anything= was gained from that.=C2=A0 Dats, ADATS... all worth about as much as a us= ed mousetrap these days.=C2=A0

The old saw is, Digital is a capitalist's wet dream.=C2=A0 Like b= uying a car that, in five years you won't be able to find tires or gaso= line for. =C2=A0

Revampin= g the wiring of my studio now.=C2=A0 It's like Extreme Tetris.=C2=A0 En= ormous logistics, turning the Rubric's Cube this way and that and each = time seeing new options and better, more ergonomic ways to set it up. =C2= =A0

<= div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large">As I said before, I u= sed to love technology but now I pretty much resent its time sucking intrus= ion into my creative process.=C2=A0 High tech used to work for me, but now = I work for it!=C2=A0 And the improvements strike me as running downhill. = =C2=A0

It's a transfe= r of wealth from the creative class to technology.=C2=A0 So my forty year s= pending spree is pretty much over - as Rick Walker was sort of saying. =C2= =A0 I'm not paying Avid $1000 a year to subscribe to hardware and softw= are (Pro Tools HDX) I've owned for decades. =C2=A0

Someone in a third world country could feed, = house, raise and educate a family of twelve... and retire in comfort for wh= at I've spent on this stuff.=C2=A0

I do think someone could make a fine living stripping out all= the bells and whistles from the OS and selling those versions to recently = born again, time strapped Luddites like me.=C2=A0 Same with software functi= on of DAWs. =C2=A0

There&= #39;s nothing like a great guitar and great amp.=C2=A0 It's the willing= spouse that's ever attractive and exotically faithful.=C2=A0 Add some = pedals and your kingdom has come!=C2=A0 Of course, there's 20 fine guit= ars on my wall now and ten fine amps in the back room, but as long as I fir= e 'em up once a month, they will be singing long after this very expens= ive digital stuff has gone to the recycling centre... or sold for $200.=C2= =A0

<= div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large">Don't think my Ax= eFX II XL+ will be worth a dozen sets of guitar strings in ten years - but = it IS fun.

=
There are some= good digital companies like Spectrasonics that makes Omnisphere.=C2=A0 Als= o Native Instruments big Kontakt, although integration into Vienna Ensemble= Pro requires huge Tetris finagling and hours under the hood trying to get = the pistons all moving harmoniously.=C2=A0

I just wanted to play music - not fly the Starship Enterp= rise!
I'm h= oping this studio revision will make it easier, but I'm sure the softwa= re update/upgrade guys will do all they can to eat my precious time.=C2=A0<= /div>

My current thoughts on Ti= me?=C2=A0 Don't spend it all in one place!
:)
Richard Sales
On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 4:13 AM, Ivodne Galatea= <takas20@hotmail.com> wrote:
And then there wa= s the nightmare of Logic Pro stopping accepting 32-bit plugins in the upgra= de from 9 to X. For those of us who upgraded while sleep-deprived and delet= ed the old one to save room on our battle-weary 2009 macbooks it meant a su= dden loss of facility that took breath away. I certainly didn't have th= e wherewithal to buy new shiny 64-bit plugins, and most of the old ones had= developers who had disappeared. And I didn't want to lose the intuitio= n I had developed with the old plugins.
It wasn't unti= l that company SoundRadix brought out 32-lives that I could exhale.

I know the logic of shifting to 64-bit and addressability= and legacy code, but it really felt abusive. Facing it all over again now = that my laptop won't run the new MacOs.







From: amyx@isproductions.comSubject: Would love your input, stories, suggestions
Date: Sun, 2 Oct = 2016 21:29:32 -0700
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Folks --

This thread on Mobius problems with the new s= ystem is interesting. I use Mobius in my performances; my musical career is= absolutely dependent on it. It works consistently well on the old system I= am running, which I cannot upgrade until I get a new mixer/interface, beca= use the one I have used to create my current repertoire requires MLAN softw= are that Yamaha stopped making several years ago. Porting my songs over to = a different technology (say a MIDI fader box and all effects in software), = could easily take months, so I plan to take time off from performing next y= ear in order to do nothing but that.

That kind of = sucks.

Later this month I am giving a talk at Proj= ect BBQ (a yearly think tank of audio professionals --=C2=A0http://www.projectbarbq.com<= wbr>) on the topic of how the pressure to constantly upgrade software, forc= ing one to often upgrade hardware, causing one to have to re-program, re-th= ink and sometimes abandon one's compositions. affects the life of a wor= king artist, or really anyone dependent on uninterrupted use of these produ= cts.

At the same time, clearly advances in technol= ogy have been stunning, and it's great to be able to take advantage of = them.

I'm looking for:
a) any intere= sting stories you might have about how upgrades have caused disruption =C2= =A0to your art, and
b) any constructive suggestions for this grou= p of professionals. How might they support artists who are dependent on the= ir products? How might they continue to develop new products but keep us ha= ppy as well, and make this profitable? What about trying harder to keep upg= rades compatible with older software/hardware? Are there options to having = to purchase new laptops every few years?

Thanks al= l! I welcome your input on this ever-prevalent topic. I want to be helpful = to artists in this talk -- it's an opportunity to speak directly to the= folks who actually make the stuff.. what would you like to tell them or as= k them?

xx

=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80= =CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80
Amy X Neubu= rg
http://www.a= myxneuburg.com
=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF= =80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=

On Sep 26, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Richard Sales <richard@glasswing.com>= wrote:

Yes indeed.=C2=A0 My question nowadays is, Who's serving who?
And it's a question that can range very wi= de - and reach into the deepest changes and most important elements in our = culture.=C2=A0 Tell you the Truth?=C2=A0 I'm a little worried. And I= 9;m not the worrying kind.

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 9:07 = AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:
=

I used to rea= lly love technology.

Isn't = that the truth :-)



--
richard sales
www.glasswing.com

Hope is the thing with feathers that= perches in the soul -=C2=A0Emil= y Dickinson





--
<= div dir=3D"ltr">richard sales
www.glasswing.com

Hope is the thing with feathers that perches in the so= ul -=C2=A0Emily Dickinson

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The VS-2480 still work= s, once I get good with it. Rig -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 10/6/16, Richard Sales wrote: Subject: Re: Would love your input, stories, suggestions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thursday, October 6, 2016, 5:10 AM =20 No question software is incredibly vulnerable to planned entropy.=C2=A0 I've spent a fortune keeping up with the digital Joneses but turns out the digital Joneses are all hula skirts and Hawaiian shirts and no palm trees or ocean - or as they say in country music, 'All hat, no horse'.=C2=A0 They keep adding bells and whistles to every aspect of the experience that clog the data arteries.=C2=A0 Go figure.=C2=A0 The move from regular wires to db25 which started around eight years ago has cost me a couple thousand pints of blood and totally forces new logic on my studio design.=C2=A0 I don't know if anything was gained from that.=C2=A0 Dats, ADATS... all worth about as much as a used mousetrap these days.=C2=A0 The old saw is, Digital is a capitalist's wet dream.=C2=A0 Like buying a car that, in five years you won't be able to find tires or gasoline for. =C2=A0 Revamping the wiring of my studio now.=C2=A0 It's like Extreme Tetris.=C2=A0 Enormous logistics, turning the Rubric's Cube this way and that and each time seeing new options and better, more ergonomic ways to set it up. =C2=A0 As I said before, I used to love technology but now I pretty much resent its time sucking intrusion into my creative process.=C2=A0 High tech used to work for me, but now I work for it!=C2=A0 And the improvements strike me as running downhill. =C2=A0 It's a transfer of wealth from the creative class to technology.=C2=A0 So my forty year spending spree is pretty much over - as Rick Walker was sort of saying. =C2=A0 I'm not paying Avid $1000 a year to subscribe to hardware and software (Pro Tools HDX) I've owned for decades. =C2=A0 Someone in a third world country could feed, house, raise and educate a family of twelve... and retire in comfort for what I've spent on this stuff.=C2=A0 I do think someone could make a fine living stripping out all the bells and whistles from the OS and selling those versions to recently born again, time strapped Luddites like me.=C2=A0 Same with software function of DAWs. =C2=A0 There's nothing like a great guitar and great amp.=C2=A0 It's the willing spouse that's ever attractive and exotically faithful.=C2=A0 Add some pedals and your kingdom has come!=C2=A0 Of course, there's 20 fine guitars on my wall now and ten fine amps in the back room, but as long as I fire 'em up once a month, they will be singing long after this very expensive digital stuff has gone to the recycling centre... or sold for $200.=C2=A0 Don't think my AxeFX II XL+ will be worth a dozen sets of guitar strings in ten years - but it IS fun. There are some good digital companies like Spectrasonics that makes Omnisphere.=C2=A0 Also Native Instruments big Kontakt, although integration into Vienna Ensemble Pro requires huge Tetris finagling and hours under the hood trying to get the pistons all moving harmoniously.=C2=A0 I just wanted to play music - not fly the Starship Enterprise!I'm hoping this studio revision will make it easier, but I'm sure the software update/upgrade guys will do all they can to eat my precious time.=C2=A0 My current thoughts on Time?=C2=A0 Don't spend it all in one place!:)Richard Sales On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 4:13 AM, Ivodne Galatea wrote: =20 =20 =20 And then there was the nightmare of Logic Pro stopping accepting 32-bit plugins in the upgrade from 9 to X. For those of us who upgraded while sleep-deprived and deleted the old one to save room on our battle-weary 2009 macbooks it meant a sudden loss of facility that took breath away. I certainly didn't have the wherewithal to buy new shiny 64-bit plugins, and most of the old ones had developers who had disappeared. And I didn't want to lose the intuition I had developed with the old plugins.It wasn't until that company SoundRadix brought out 32-lives that I could exhale. I know the logic of shifting to 64-bit and addressability and legacy code, but it really felt abusive. Facing it all over again now that my laptop won't run the new MacOs. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 From: amyx@isproductions.com Subject: Would love your input, stories, suggestions Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 21:29:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers- delight.com =20 Folks -- This thread on Mobius problems with the new system is interesting. I use Mobius in my performances; my musical career is absolutely dependent on it. It works consistently well on the old system I am running, which I cannot upgrade until I get a new mixer/interface, because the one I have used to create my current repertoire requires MLAN software that Yamaha stopped making several years ago. Porting my songs over to a different technology (say a MIDI fader box and all effects in software), could easily take months, so I plan to take time off from performing next year in order to do nothing but that. That kind of sucks. Later this month I am giving a talk at Project BBQ (a yearly think tank of audio professionals --=C2=A0http://www.projectbarbq.com ) on the topic of how the pressure to constantly upgrade software, forcing one to often upgrade hardware, causing one to have to re-program, re-think and sometimes abandon one's compositions. affects the life of a working artist, or really anyone dependent on uninterrupted use of these products. At the same time, clearly advances in technology have been stunning, and it's great to be able to take advantage of them. I'm looking for:a) any interesting stories you might have about how upgrades have caused disruption =C2=A0to your art, andb) any constructive suggestions for this group of professionals. How might they support artists who are dependent on their products? How might they continue to develop new products but keep us happy as well, and make this profitable? What about trying harder to keep upgrades compatible with older software/hardware? Are there options to having to purchase new laptops every few years? Thanks all! I welcome your input on this ever-prevalent topic. I want to be helpful to artists in this talk -- it's an opportunity to speak directly to the folks who actually make the stuff.. what would you like to tell them or ask them? xx =20 =CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80= =CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80 Amy X Neuburg http://www.amyxneuburg.com =CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80= =CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80 =20 =20 =20 On Sep 26, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Richard Sales wrote: Yes indeed.=C2=A0 My question nowadays is, Who's serving who?And it's a question that can range very wide - and reach into the deepest changes and most important elements in our culture.=C2=A0 Tell you the Truth?=C2=A0 I'm a little worried. And I'm not the worrying kind. On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 9:07 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: =20 I used to really love technology. Isn't that the truth :-) =20 =20 =20 -- =20 richard sales www.glasswing.comHope is the thing with feathers that perches in the soul -=C2=A0Emily Dickinson =20 =20 =09=09 =09=20 =09=09 =20 =20 =20 =20 --=20 richard sales www.glasswing.comHope is the thing with feathers that perches in the soul -=C2=A0Emily Dickinson =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 6 15:19:41 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DED9143928; Thu, 6 Oct 2016 15:19:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=jjpGaHMonUuR9o0RuIA+rUTJKkI51hfBV5zUfqVg/1U=; b=zVGNnnkHfjrtL3XpHQOmA29Pt/0nqNPvzzHLdhMCM3PDllT6+hBpkK5AF8nRd36zEn z861W46jKxFj21uKK4GO8MrpBWMsg6d7XbiPrT+2gzYyxqgQrg3m1yZt6TRhKU2nw6kY 2xoniWfKD8EiNmQpHg3/dxumW6ina+ub6JulSEK5qjEUVM+szTkVulbF/DyUb8JbQlCk G3AK8Czox/3bDC+EarzWUbK+SGDui24XriuTNmRPiQzklb2qVXVSnFHeFeKNP6e1OQn3 affS32hVcbdOXG1cSoTtjghykJ+Ab7lJE0KGCEP81co1DXhKxdG0hX37bQKtWrkLh55S GtaQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=jjpGaHMonUuR9o0RuIA+rUTJKkI51hfBV5zUfqVg/1U=; b=hnLzj67wSx79r6SxvhMdZRIDtboAR3urxX3L5Q0ry4+QMZwU+JdGhoFWUr7FboU4wS pFmd1xKxdJ7VZAHCeE1zkjjWb/KUoA05+0o+UgBHsyoRKjRQsDv55+isLaNxGr4tIJ+2 ytl8gHwxAiHNnnSmcO8wY3ZcNxkd/fQjQGZJNdbVEthE5b7JSGK/v0D3cJY/GXL8LE97 DR7TLY+jneLBXNCIoMHTpdNzM+q0bAvWdo9OmxSvBS7U7hE9IcLhh3N+MROioTgJweEb s2q8xX3YH3pvR8ZiW/BlytkQyL9DfrlY3CFx6Q/TV4vwczoSHOOvsTDKyGvJuPZpDR6v JxQg== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9RlT4zBNqkZRcCkEaqgY+vqSE2bdoryZl3sBkgni/BMpEpRMM6LgPraChF03UAtxfyj9CZXg3SZ1VXpfKA== X-Received: by 10.107.31.17 with SMTP id f17mr1902359iof.5.1475767180053; Thu, 06 Oct 2016 08:19:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <5AFC6C9F-7BF7-458F-A0D6-C2D78118B63F@icloud.com> <5A9DEAB4-AC0F-4D26-BCAD-B33B982C85C2@isproductions.com> From: Kevin Cheli-Colando Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 08:19:39 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Would love your input, stories, suggestions To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114041fa89d5af053e33d2a7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 15:19:41 +0000 (UTC) --001a114041fa89d5af053e33d2a7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > I just wanted to play music - not fly the Starship Enterprise! > Its really funny you say that because I had started to refer to my rig as a six string spaceship. I've got a whole host of controllers and pedals and pads going into the laptop and what not and its incredible what it can do. But I find it can so easily kill the desire to play by all the maintenance and troubleshooting that goes into it. So much so I usually wind up playing an acoustic 12 string instead. But so much potential is overwhelming my monkey brain. Kevin > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) --001a114041fa89d5af053e33d2a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I just wanted to play music - not fly the Star= ship Enterprise!

Its really fun= ny you say that because I had started to refer to my rig as a six string sp= aceship.=C2=A0 I've got a whole host of controllers and pedals and pads= going into the laptop and what not and its incredible what it can do.=C2= =A0 But I find it can so easily kill the desire to play by all the maintena= nce and troubleshooting that goes into it.=C2=A0 So much so I usually wind = up playing an acoustic 12 string instead.

But so much pot= ential is overwhelming my monkey brain.

Kevin
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--
Till now you seri= ously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the= primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana M= aharshi (1879-1950)

--001a114041fa89d5af053e33d2a7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 6 15:40:06 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9954143925; Thu, 6 Oct 2016 15:40:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 525 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at arsenic; Thu, 06 Oct 2016 15:40:06 UTC X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=ZLZZmBLb c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=NGXRCNxRQKMHmn6amWLCjg==:117 a=NGXRCNxRQKMHmn6amWLCjg==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=6Gip5PYu10Hc2bl7G0sA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CiBj46wMhVQA:10 a=nxZLd-sahJkA:10 a=VK7J_e0vs9WhJWhE8Un-:22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Subject: Re: Would love your input, stories, suggestions From: tedkillian In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 08:40:05 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2CE6D260-D426-4882-B526-B7A3A8D16C2E@charter.net> References: <5AFC6C9F-7BF7-458F-A0D6-C2D78118B63F@icloud.com> <5A9DEAB4-AC0F-4D26-BCAD-B33B982C85C2@isproductions.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 15:40:06 +0000 (UTC) Boy do I ever identify with that. > On Oct 6, 2016, at 5:10 AM, Richard Sales = wrote: >=20 > The old saw is, Digital is a capitalist's wet dream. Like buying a = car that, in five years you won't be able to find tires or gasoline for. = =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 6 16:04:13 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F07A7143924; Thu, 6 Oct 2016 16:04:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=X+rcKQje c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=NGXRCNxRQKMHmn6amWLCjg==:117 a=NGXRCNxRQKMHmn6amWLCjg==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=Kw3qFX9FAW1hNrzsGVQA:9 a=dli4jvM1HQkG7uss:21 a=-lz68w6fSCbVs-Gh:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=6kGIvZw6iX1k4Y-7sg4_:22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Subject: Re: Would love your input, stories, suggestions From: tedkillian In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 08:31:20 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <93F1E895-467C-48BA-8455-37E8D5B24116@charter.net> References: <5AFC6C9F-7BF7-458F-A0D6-C2D78118B63F@icloud.com> <5A9DEAB4-AC0F-4D26-BCAD-B33B982C85C2@isproductions.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 16:04:12 +0000 (UTC) I certainly hear what you are saying. My rig has been in various states of disorder for over a year. What I have played the most during all that time is just a simple, cheap = little Takamine 6-string acoustic/electric with an on-board Tonewood Amp = for reverb. The simple pleasure of just noodling around on it is priceless. > On Oct 6, 2016, at 8:19 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando = wrote: >=20 > I've got a whole host of controllers and pedals and pads going into = the laptop and what not and its incredible what it can do. But I find = it can so easily kill the desire to play by all the maintenance and = troubleshooting that goes into it. So much so I usually wind up playing = an acoustic 12 string instead. 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My guitar rig is fairly straightforward sometimes, but sometimes with a lot of gizmos to torque the tones. I have two Mac Pro's running in tandem splitting up the chore of music production (Pro Tools HD Machine 1 and Vienna Ensemble Pro (Machine 2) running a blivet of VI's. One thing I like about the AxeFx is that it's one switch (as long as Pro Tools is up and running). I normally record at least two guitar amps at a time - sometimes 4! I really miss the days of turning on the analogue mixer, start the tape rolling and you're live! Now it's turn on a host of devices, hope it all boots okay, wait a few while the dragster max RAM and SSD loaded Mac Pro's swallow the elephant, and then maybe I can make music. In fact, tape didn't have to be rolling and you were live with one switch! People drop by and say Can I hear something? And if the whole rig isn't on I say No, too much work! Unless it's mixed and on Machine 2 (08 Mac Pro). And the learning curve is profound. I mean, just the Eventide H9 is a time cannibal. Omnisphere is a whole tribe of time eating cannibals. I'm 68 now, so Time itself is starting to look more and more like a man eating cannibal! Straight recording is fairly easy - like old school recording with musicians and their instruments. It's mostly the one man symphony and the Adrian Belew guitar school thing that puts it way over the top. And then the fact that it's so digital dependent. And then all the plugins! YIKES! Secret trap doors via guys like Ramana Maharshi are the only way I can survive it. When the shit really hits the fan, I can shut off the electricity and sit by the river... if you get my drift. I DO HAVE SOME VERY GOOD DIGITAL NEWS THOUGH - Just got an Anker USB hub that has made my life so much better. No more missing USB devices. No more USB devices just falling off the planet. I've gone through the wringer trying to solve that issue for a few years. No more! It's cheap! It just works great. I'm gonna buy a few more. On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 8:19 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > >> I just wanted to play music - not fly the Starship Enterprise! >> > > Its really funny you say that because I had started to refer to my rig as > a six string spaceship. I've got a whole host of controllers and pedals > and pads > > -- *richard sales* www.glasswing.com *Hope is the thing with feathers that perches in the soul - **Emily Dickinson* --94eb2c1b27fa682e19053e34a67d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tel= l me about it!=C2=A0 My guitar rig is fairly straightforward sometimes, but= sometimes with a lot of gizmos to torque the tones.=C2=A0 I have two Mac P= ro's running in tandem splitting up the chore of music production (Pro = Tools HD Machine 1 and Vienna Ensemble Pro (Machine 2) running a blivet of = VI's. =C2=A0
One thing I like about the AxeFx is that it's one switch (as long as = Pro Tools is up and running). =C2=A0
I normally record at least two guitar amps at a time = - sometimes 4!
=
I really m= iss the days of turning on the analogue mixer, start the tape rolling and y= ou're live!=C2=A0 Now it's turn on a host of devices, hope it all b= oots okay, wait a few while the dragster max RAM and SSD loaded Mac Pro'= ;s swallow the elephant, and then maybe I can make music.=C2=A0 In fact, ta= pe didn't have to be rolling and you were live with one switch!

People drop by and say Can I h= ear something? And if the whole rig isn't on I say No, too much work!= =C2=A0 Unless it's mixed and on Machine 2 (08 Mac Pro).

And the learning curve is profound.=C2= =A0 I mean, just the Eventide H9 is a time cannibal.=C2=A0 Omnisphere is a = whole tribe of time eating cannibals.=C2=A0 I'm 68 now, so Time itself = is starting to look more and more like a man eating cannibal!

Straight recording is fairly easy - li= ke old school recording with musicians and their instruments. =C2=A0
<= div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large">It's mostly the o= ne man symphony and the Adrian Belew guitar school thing that puts it way o= ver the top.=C2=A0
And then the fact that it's so digital dependent.=C2=A0 And then al= l the plugins!
= YIKES!

Secret trap doors = via guys like Ramana Maharshi are the only way I can survive it.=C2=A0 When= the shit really hits the fan, I can shut off the electricity and sit by th= e river... if you get my drift.

I DO HAVE SOME VERY GOOD DIGITAL NEWS THOUGH - Just got an Anker USB= hub that has made my life so much better.=C2=A0 No more missing USB device= s.=C2=A0 No more USB devices just falling off the planet. I've gone thr= ough the wringer trying to solve that issue for a few years.=C2=A0 No more!= =C2=A0 It's cheap!=C2=A0 It just works great.=C2=A0
I'm gonna buy a few more.=C2= =A0

On Thu, = Oct 6, 2016 at 8:19 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com= > wrote:

I just wanted to play music - not fly the Starship Enterprise!
=

Its really funny you say that becaus= e I had started to refer to my rig as a six string spaceship.=C2=A0 I'v= e got a whole host of controllers and pedals and pads=C2=A0


--
richard sales
www.glasswing.com

Hope is = the thing with feathers that perches in the soul -=C2=A0Emily Dickinson

--94eb2c1b27fa682e19053e34a67d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 6 16:34:04 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE6B7143929; Thu, 6 Oct 2016 16:34:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=glasswing-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=xox92rYltvL3BnoaPfQ1ulA7XgOg1z6vE0L7cyoZseI=; b=yr7XzC/rZkbZuxBVe5MxEbYDjHx2SmMkbv5aX+5G5SlkvMPcvMLU9c9gTyNOIECzX+ tAWxsoWEPQpWi74RMifAquxSpSQYVa88Wfmo7DXx0hpWmSFpzcKX8OVjNujeL1HZcK9U o4pL5r6JsqLzdB8PYAeazFlXh+TEsf2VRvy/xh8+qrIHnAU71p2fwfVhY72I6W5tAvIG O67euCB/hPVgtEZw4ofCLg6nODpxkqxhBx/1Zd4AfWWnhjn0RQc9PZpgtlN2Q92raoAM 4IoMcl1q6eMZoMF5r0lck8uxj0+tdXoLGuW4AjcWm5HnJLL32kdSMSPxshF0hzN54Ia0 WUMQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=xox92rYltvL3BnoaPfQ1ulA7XgOg1z6vE0L7cyoZseI=; b=btV5q0ZDHL+wmEu4RPOfeLHwdcfVCDfJvQyNpCWB+J/SsGSrHXEJSq9owU39YrFYOQ D9zlpggzZsxWLmvsxeDpsd5+3iR1cL7vX+p6+yeZiGLFamU4oHj8FckcYg1MutwVLXee G/HAuyX2Texsg01DDLHZb+8pTRVcq9QThQZMs51WB19s5VBWGR4JTRjNvl18QFw7Q+Cl xvkw0s9dCyNnIjuYPrdCNvxk/vZY+EvWanYCbFje20ddosTGa00kqGLopSuMSKAbStSl OHXrOlKzMHSn30xelJ33G/30UzGq9z5fxSZClVR/FHHHXMUKpHXxDpzmYX4vdEUR1aMu ZVtw== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9RlYrplIbBRjxWbFbkLp0L0EBScy5hP7TNNVbQvNtvPs6ZYfsoE1NDobjmtd9pMqok4xtxrGuTgGiNvc3w== X-Received: by 10.31.227.129 with SMTP id a123mr12296113vkh.65.1475771643124; Thu, 06 Oct 2016 09:34:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <93F1E895-467C-48BA-8455-37E8D5B24116@charter.net> References: <5AFC6C9F-7BF7-458F-A0D6-C2D78118B63F@icloud.com> <5A9DEAB4-AC0F-4D26-BCAD-B33B982C85C2@isproductions.com> <93F1E895-467C-48BA-8455-37E8D5B24116@charter.net> From: Richard Sales Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 09:33:41 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Would love your input, stories, suggestions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114da6908efcdb053e34dc6f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 16:34:03 +0000 (UTC) --001a114da6908efcdb053e34dc6f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Yeah... for me it's either q stick or unplugged electric. But I got so burned out on the last project (almost 4 years) I laid off playing for six months! Just getting back into it now. On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 8:31 AM, tedkillian wrote: > I certainly hear what you are saying. > > My rig has been in various states of disorder for over a year. > > What I have played the most during all that time is just a simple, cheap > little Takamine 6-string acoustic/electric with an on-board Tonewood Amp > for reverb. > > The simple pleasure of just noodling around on it is priceless. > > > On Oct 6, 2016, at 8:19 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando > wrote: > > > > I've got a whole host of controllers and pedals and pads going into the > laptop and what not and its incredible what it can do. But I find it can > so easily kill the desire to play by all the maintenance and > troubleshooting that goes into it. So much so I usually wind up playing an > acoustic 12 string instead. > > -- *richard sales* www.glasswing.com *Hope is the thing with feathers that perches in the soul - **Emily Dickinson* --001a114da6908efcdb053e34dc6f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yea= h... for me it's either q stick or unplugged electric.=C2=A0 But I got = so burned out on the last project (almost 4 years) I laid off playing for s= ix months!=C2=A0 Just getting back into it now.=C2=A0

On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 8:31 AM, t= edkillian <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:
I certainly hear what you are saying.

My rig has been in various states of disorder for over a year.

What I have played the most during all that time is just a simple, cheap li= ttle Takamine 6-string acoustic/electric with an on-board Tonewood Amp for = reverb.

The simple pleasure of just noodling around on it is priceless.

> On Oct 6, 2016, at 8:19 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've got a whole host of controllers and pedals and pads going int= o the laptop and what not and its incredible what it can do.=C2=A0 But I fi= nd it can so easily kill the desire to play by all the maintenance and trou= bleshooting that goes into it.=C2=A0 So much so I usually wind up playing a= n acoustic 12 string instead.




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Hope is the thing with feathers that perches in the so= ul -=C2=A0Emily Dickinson

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I just = wanted to play music - not fly the Starship Enterprise!

That=E2=80=99s my = favorite sentence this year. As is this:

>> But so much potential is = overwhelming my monkey brain.

It so absolutely describes the locked = state I=E2=80=99ve been in for years now. And yet, the first thing I = think when I read that 1st sentence is, =E2=80=9CI want to see his = starship!=E2=80=9D

This is really at the heart of it though: As good as the = simplicity and immediacy of acoustic (or other simple modes) of music = making is for the soul, you  (the general =E2=80=9Cyou=E2=80=9D=E2=80= =A6 =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=9D really) reach a limit. What you hear in your = head can be so vast and intricate and diverse, and because you know the = tools available to us now can get there, it is so, so alluring to = try. 


=E2=80=94Christopher


On Oct 6, 2016, at 8:19 AM, = Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:


I just wanted to play music - not = fly the Starship Enterprise!

Its really funny you say that because I = had started to refer to my rig as a six string spaceship.  I've got = a whole host of controllers and pedals and pads going into the laptop = and what not and its incredible what it can do.  But I find it can = so easily kill the desire to play by all the maintenance and = troubleshooting that goes into it.  So much so I usually wind up = playing an acoustic 12 string instead.

But so much potential is overwhelming = my monkey brain.

Kevin =
-- =
Till now you seriously considered = yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the = primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.
- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)


= --Apple-Mail=_36E60977-D504-4A2C-9531-A2C1E9983917-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 7 01:51:49 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0810143929; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 01:51:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1475805105; bh=6byPARiaqIRsdyYQfwSDBgTvQswMa1hhGNIuiafeACE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=CTeQ7847ePKRTFKT0lool/ILRI11yx8vaHI2a6W+kPp3/Ay6uAZcqz3PDN8Mo3ruMY6it3tHSvyhmsH6aq2j4RSy+Ya+2WeKjIV5HSPxJt1uoZ5E0kzrVAUMDCXgVe9zZGxv3/Fq/opg9Gbm2iiUbVNMEhKer3UvcJx3WJBrQc5ZOvrjuol4J+G4odxfBDVLWhLBZtsLBbh81O5SRp5fCOdt19EYcYrj9qeoKfSnByw42r0gBlYfvPMvlaTy7zFGPTunq6HreHlwH59cTSs4DT9WJy3gOzv0mvBDaw/jqeR41uBJy3PZTtcfIbqXhWxPheyLdFZUbdx0qNS0fljh7w== X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-4 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 661229.36166.bm@omp1026.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: wADIwwEVM1krXQAco.6Y8IT4ldGES.z.axVHR7Dq0BevhCiLQe_Ey6aIDLe24GS BXG3BPTccA5Df5E1hvPPSGryvE9mGkwndwCfiZgcZg6RfCGRSolI1p0Rpm0uHOom.2DkQFrYsuxX eZNBt882lvdPI2WF_r88bwZQGmSNO0IP.y7ta9BLQetuxMdrFcaMJtIKT1fOHTTP4AjbagmTxsk3 PHw_6B2zifEE2PgCExPU_GHHGlV5haqKQfqN8l2DEmmSqyI1o46StZ4VfndFAMDvb4Jizj7DTy9h Z16EN8MFURnK9kx6NUDIpUwCWGaW.HAKBUMhGzlkENItCbh4RyK.RMEZ3oOhFCKg.eVqrGBdmxAX kpXXRX9pN_d0pWApBEgdkkxVUy6wyMkFtHcaCyYh71lMzxhwXxg_4xwEukvO0yYCmz31jw6ovn8s PNGIt.0JhRN.AuJ1R3Gl9Kg_xhKqYRk7O9nsoRU2Ljr2c3e4tX_zTSMDzcMzxAvt_louDERu8UcV jF8FFfGjf.ILV._QDCQOpUfXPcZf.5Zw0QWwYfq1gC7kV.Egv2g-- Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 01:48:55 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric Howell Reply-To: Eric Howell To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: <590240750.11082642.1475804936008@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: <5AFC6C9F-7BF7-458F-A0D6-C2D78118B63F@icloud.com> <5A9DEAB4-AC0F-4D26-BCAD-B33B982C85C2@isproductions.com> Subject: Re: Would love your input, stories, suggestions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11082641_1356395812.1475804935997" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 01:51:48 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11082641_1356395812.1475804935997 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No offense but how do I un-subscribe from these threads From: Richard Sales To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:10 AM Subject: Re: Would love your input, stories, suggestions =20 No question software is incredibly vulnerable to planned entropy.=C2=A0 I'v= e spent a fortune keeping up with the digital Joneses but turns out the dig= ital Joneses are all hula skirts and Hawaiian shirts and no palm trees or o= cean - or as they say in country music, 'All hat, no horse'.=C2=A0 They kee= p adding bells and whistles to every aspect of the experience that clog the= data arteries.=C2=A0 Go figure.=C2=A0 The move from regular wires to db25 which started around eight years ago ha= s cost me a couple thousand pints of blood and totally forces new logic on = my studio design.=C2=A0 I don't know if anything was gained from that.=C2= =A0 Dats, ADATS... all worth about as much as a used mousetrap these days.= =C2=A0 The old saw is, Digital is a capitalist's wet dream.=C2=A0 Like buying a ca= r that, in five years you won't be able to find tires or gasoline for. =C2= =A0 Revamping the wiring of my studio now.=C2=A0 It's like Extreme Tetris.=C2= =A0 Enormous logistics, turning the Rubric's Cube this way and that and eac= h time seeing new options and better, more ergonomic ways to set it up. =C2= =A0 As I said before, I used to love technology but now I pretty much resent it= s time sucking intrusion into my creative process.=C2=A0 High tech used to = work for me, but now I work for it!=C2=A0 And the improvements strike me as= running downhill. =C2=A0 It's a transfer of wealth from the creative class to technology.=C2=A0 So m= y forty year spending spree is pretty much over - as Rick Walker was sort o= f saying. =C2=A0 I'm not paying Avid $1000 a year to subscribe to hardware = and software (Pro Tools HDX) I've owned for decades. =C2=A0 Someone in a third world country could feed, house, raise and educate a fam= ily of twelve... and retire in comfort for what I've spent on this stuff.= =C2=A0 I do think someone could make a fine living stripping out all the bells and= whistles from the OS and selling those versions to recently born again, ti= me strapped Luddites like me.=C2=A0 Same with software function of DAWs. = =C2=A0 There's nothing like a great guitar and great amp.=C2=A0 It's the willing s= pouse that's ever attractive and exotically faithful.=C2=A0 Add some pedals= and your kingdom has come!=C2=A0 Of course, there's 20 fine guitars on my = wall now and ten fine amps in the back room, but as long as I fire 'em up o= nce a month, they will be singing long after this very expensive digital st= uff has gone to the recycling centre... or sold for $200.=C2=A0 Don't think my AxeFX II XL+ will be worth a dozen sets of guitar strings in= ten years - but it IS fun. There are some good digital companies like Spectrasonics that makes Omnisph= ere.=C2=A0 Also Native Instruments big Kontakt, although integration into V= ienna Ensemble Pro requires huge Tetris finagling and hours under the hood = trying to get the pistons all moving harmoniously.=C2=A0 I just wanted to play music - not fly the Starship Enterprise!I'm hoping th= is studio revision will make it easier, but I'm sure the software update/up= grade guys will do all they can to eat my precious time.=C2=A0 My current thoughts on Time?=C2=A0 Don't spend it all in one place!:)Richar= d Sales On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 4:13 AM, Ivodne Galatea wrote: And then there was the nightmare of Logic Pro stopping accepting 32-bit plu= gins in the upgrade from 9 to X. For those of us who upgraded while sleep-d= eprived and deleted the old one to save room on our battle-weary 2009 macbo= oks it meant a sudden loss of facility that took breath away. I certainly d= idn't have the wherewithal to buy new shiny 64-bit plugins, and most of the= old ones had developers who had disappeared. And I didn't want to lose the= intuition I had developed with the old plugins.It wasn't until that compan= y SoundRadix brought out 32-lives that I could exhale. I know the logic of shifting to 64-bit and addressability and legacy code, = but it really felt abusive. Facing it all over again now that my laptop won= 't run the new MacOs. From: amyx@isproductions.com Subject: Would love your input, stories, suggestions Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 21:29:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers- delight.com Folks -- This thread on Mobius problems with the new system is interesting. I use Mo= bius in my performances; my musical career is absolutely dependent on it. I= t works consistently well on the old system I am running, which I cannot up= grade until I get a new mixer/interface, because the one I have used to cre= ate my current repertoire requires MLAN software that Yamaha stopped making= several years ago. Porting my songs over to a different technology (say a = MIDI fader box and all effects in software), could easily take months, so I= plan to take time off from performing next year in order to do nothing but= that. That kind of sucks. Later this month I am giving a talk at Project BBQ (a yearly think tank of = audio professionals --=C2=A0http://www.projectbarbq.com ) on the topic of h= ow the pressure to constantly upgrade software, forcing one to often upgrad= e hardware, causing one to have to re-program, re-think and sometimes aband= on one's compositions. affects the life of a working artist, or really anyo= ne dependent on uninterrupted use of these products. At the same time, clearly advances in technology have been stunning, and it= 's great to be able to take advantage of them. I'm looking for:a) any interesting stories you might have about how upgrade= s have caused disruption =C2=A0to your art, andb) any constructive suggesti= ons for this group of professionals. How might they support artists who are= dependent on their products? How might they continue to develop new produc= ts but keep us happy as well, and make this profitable? What about trying h= arder to keep upgrades compatible with older software/hardware? Are there o= ptions to having to purchase new laptops every few years? Thanks all! I welcome your input on this ever-prevalent topic. I want to be= helpful to artists in this talk -- it's an opportunity to speak directly t= o the folks who actually make the stuff.. what would you like to tell them = or ask them? xx =CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF= =80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80 Amy X Neuburg http://www.amyxneuburg.com =CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF= =80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80 On Sep 26, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Richard Sales wrote: Yes indeed.=C2=A0 My question nowadays is, Who's serving who?And it's a que= stion that can range very wide - and reach into the deepest changes and mos= t important elements in our culture.=C2=A0 Tell you the Truth?=C2=A0 I'm a = little worried. And I'm not the worrying kind. On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 9:07 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando = wrote: I used to really love technology. Isn't that the truth :-) --=20 richard sales www.glasswing.com Hope is the thing with feathers that perches in the soul -=C2=A0Emily Dicki= nson =20 --=20 richard sales www.glasswing.com Hope is the thing with feathers that perches in the soul -=C2=A0Emily Dicki= nson =20 ------=_Part_11082641_1356395812.1475804935997 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No offense but how do= I un-subscribe from these threads


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Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: Would love your input, stories, suggestions<= br>

No question software is incredibly vulnerable to planned entropy.&nb= sp; I've spent a fortune keeping up with the digital Joneses but turns out = the digital Joneses are all hula skirts and Hawaiian shirts and no palm tre= es or ocean - or as they say in country music, 'All hat, no horse'.  T= hey keep adding bells and whistles to every aspect of the experience that c= log the data arteries.  Go figure. 

The move fr= om regular wires to db25 which started around eight years ago has cost me a= couple thousand pints of blood and totally forces new logic on my studio d= esign.  I don't know if anything was gained from that.  Dats, ADA= TS... all worth about as much as a used mousetrap these days. 

The old saw is, Digital is a capitalist's wet dre= am.  Like buying a car that, in five years you won't be able to find t= ires or gasoline for.  
Revamping the wiring of my studio now.  It's like Ext= reme Tetris.  Enormous logistics, turning the Rubric's Cube this way a= nd that and each time seeing new options and better, more ergonomic ways to= set it up.  

As I said before, I used to love techn= ology but now I pretty much resent its time sucking intrusion into my creat= ive process.  High tech used to work for me, but now I work for it!&nb= sp; And the improvements strike me as running downhill.  

It's a transfer of wealth from the creative class to technology. = ; So my forty year spending spree is pretty much over - as Rick Walker was = sort of saying.   I'm not paying Avid $1000 a year to subscribe to har= dware and software (Pro Tools HDX) I've owned for decades.  

Someone in a third world country could feed, house, raise and edu= cate a family of twelve... and retire in comfort for what I've spent on thi= s stuff. 

I do think someone could make a fine livin= g stripping out all the bells and whistles from the OS and selling those ve= rsions to recently born again, time strapped Luddites like me.  Same w= ith software function of DAWs.  

There's nothing lik= e a great guitar and great amp.  It's the willing spouse that's ever a= ttractive and exotically faithful.  Add some pedals and your kingdom h= as come!  Of course, there's 20 fine guitars on my wall now and ten fi= ne amps in the back room, but as long as I fire 'em up once a month, they w= ill be singing long after this very expensive digital stuff has gone to the= recycling centre... or sold for $200. 

Don't think = my AxeFX II XL+ will be worth a dozen sets of guitar strings in ten years -= but it IS fun.

There are some good digital companies lik= e Spectrasonics that makes Omnisphere.  Also Native Instruments big Ko= ntakt, although integration into Vienna Ensemble Pro requires huge Tetris f= inagling and hours under the hood trying to get the pistons all moving harm= oniously. 

I just wanted to play music - not fly the= Starship Enterprise!
I'm hoping this studio revision will make it easier, = but I'm sure the software update/upgrade guys will do all they can to eat m= y precious time. 

My current thoughts on Time? = Don't spend it all in one place!
:)
Richard Sales

On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 4:13 AM, Ivodne Galatea <<= a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:takas20@hotmail.com" ta= rget=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:takas20@hotmail.com">takas20@hotmail.com= > wrote:
And then there w= as the nightmare of Logic Pro stopping accepting 32-bit plugins in the upgr= ade from 9 to X. For those of us who upgraded while sleep-deprived and dele= ted the old one to save room on our battle-weary 2009 macbooks it meant a s= udden loss of facility that took breath away. I certainly didn't have the w= herewithal to buy new shiny 64-bit plugins, and most of the old ones had de= velopers who had disappeared. And I didn't want to lose the intuition I had= developed with the old plugins.
It wasn't until that comp= any SoundRadix brought out 32-lives that I could exhale.

I know the logic of shifting to 64-bit and addressabi= lity and legacy code, but it really felt abusive. Facing it all over again = now that my laptop won't run the new MacOs.







From= : amyx@isproduct= ions.com
Subject: Would love your input, stories, sug= gestions
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 21:29:32 -0700
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers- delight.com

Folks --

This thr= ead on Mobius problems with the new system is interesting. I use Mobius in = my performances; my musical career is absolutely dependent on it. It works = consistently well on the old system I am running, which I cannot upgrade un= til I get a new mixer/interface, because the one I have used to create my c= urrent repertoire requires MLAN software that Yamaha stopped making several= years ago. Porting my songs over to a different technology (say a MIDI fad= er box and all effects in software), could easily take months, so I plan to= take time off from performing next year in order to do nothing but that.

That kind of sucks.

Later this month I am giving a talk at Project BBQ = (a yearly think tank of audio professionals -- http://= www.projectbarbq.com ) on the topic of how the pressure to constantly u= pgrade software, forcing one to often upgrade hardware, causing one to have= to re-program, re-think and sometimes abandon one's compositions. affects = the life of a working artist, or really anyone dependent on uninterrupted u= se of these products.

At the same t= ime, clearly advances in technology have been stunning, and it's great to b= e able to take advantage of them.

I= 'm looking for:
a) any interesting stories you might have about h= ow upgrades have caused disruption  to your art, and
b) any = constructive suggestions for this group of professionals. How might they su= pport artists who are dependent on their products? How might they continue = to develop new products but keep us happy as well, and make this profitable= ? What about trying harder to keep upgrades compatible with older software/= hardware? Are there options to having to purchase new laptops every few yea= rs?

Thanks all! I welcome your inpu= t on this ever-prevalent topic. I want to be helpful to artists in this tal= k -- it's an opportunity to speak directly to the folks who actually make t= he stuff.. what would you like to tell them or ask them?

xx

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Amy X Neuburg
http://www.amyxneuburg.com
=CF= =80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80= =CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80

On Sep 26, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Richard Sales &l= t;richard@glasswin= g.com> wrote:

<= div style=3D"font-size:large;">Yes indeed.  My question nowadays is, W= ho's serving who?
And it's a question = that can range very wide - and reach into the deepest changes and most impo= rtant elements in our culture.  Tell you the Truth?  I'm a little= worried. And I'm not the worrying kind.

= On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 9:07 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando <= billowhead@gmail.com= > wrote:

I used to really love technolo= gy.

Isn't that t= he truth :-)


=

--
richard sa= les
www.glasswing.com
<= div dir=3D"ltr">

Hope is the thing with feathers that perches in the soul - <= strong style=3D"line-height:1.2;color:rgb(121,119,116);font-family:verdana,= arial, sans-serif;font-size:11px;">Emily Dickinson


=09=09 =09 =09= =09



--
<= div dir=3D"ltr">
richa= rd sales
www.glasswing.com

Hope is the thing with feathers that perches in th= e soul - Emily Dickinson=

<= /div>


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boundary="----=_Part_11086461_1709049970.1475805400830" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 02:02:43 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11086461_1709049970.1475805400830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable un-subscribe From: Richard Sales To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:10 AM Subject: Re: Would love your input, stories, suggestions =20 No question software is incredibly vulnerable to planned entropy.=C2=A0 I'v= e spent a fortune keeping up with the digital Joneses but turns out the dig= ital Joneses are all hula skirts and Hawaiian shirts and no palm trees or o= cean - or as they say in country music, 'All hat, no horse'.=C2=A0 They kee= p adding bells and whistles to every aspect of the experience that clog the= data arteries.=C2=A0 Go figure.=C2=A0 The move from regular wires to db25 which started around eight years ago ha= s cost me a couple thousand pints of blood and totally forces new logic on = my studio design.=C2=A0 I don't know if anything was gained from that.=C2= =A0 Dats, ADATS... all worth about as much as a used mousetrap these days.= =C2=A0 The old saw is, Digital is a capitalist's wet dream.=C2=A0 Like buying a ca= r that, in five years you won't be able to find tires or gasoline for. =C2= =A0 Revamping the wiring of my studio now.=C2=A0 It's like Extreme Tetris.=C2= =A0 Enormous logistics, turning the Rubric's Cube this way and that and eac= h time seeing new options and better, more ergonomic ways to set it up. =C2= =A0 As I said before, I used to love technology but now I pretty much resent it= s time sucking intrusion into my creative process.=C2=A0 High tech used to = work for me, but now I work for it!=C2=A0 And the improvements strike me as= running downhill. =C2=A0 It's a transfer of wealth from the creative class to technology.=C2=A0 So m= y forty year spending spree is pretty much over - as Rick Walker was sort o= f saying. =C2=A0 I'm not paying Avid $1000 a year to subscribe to hardware = and software (Pro Tools HDX) I've owned for decades. =C2=A0 Someone in a third world country could feed, house, raise and educate a fam= ily of twelve... and retire in comfort for what I've spent on this stuff.= =C2=A0 I do think someone could make a fine living stripping out all the bells and= whistles from the OS and selling those versions to recently born again, ti= me strapped Luddites like me.=C2=A0 Same with software function of DAWs. = =C2=A0 There's nothing like a great guitar and great amp.=C2=A0 It's the willing s= pouse that's ever attractive and exotically faithful.=C2=A0 Add some pedals= and your kingdom has come!=C2=A0 Of course, there's 20 fine guitars on my = wall now and ten fine amps in the back room, but as long as I fire 'em up o= nce a month, they will be singing long after this very expensive digital st= uff has gone to the recycling centre... or sold for $200.=C2=A0 Don't think my AxeFX II XL+ will be worth a dozen sets of guitar strings in= ten years - but it IS fun. There are some good digital companies like Spectrasonics that makes Omnisph= ere.=C2=A0 Also Native Instruments big Kontakt, although integration into V= ienna Ensemble Pro requires huge Tetris finagling and hours under the hood = trying to get the pistons all moving harmoniously.=C2=A0 I just wanted to play music - not fly the Starship Enterprise!I'm hoping th= is studio revision will make it easier, but I'm sure the software update/up= grade guys will do all they can to eat my precious time.=C2=A0 My current thoughts on Time?=C2=A0 Don't spend it all in one place!:)Richar= d Sales On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 4:13 AM, Ivodne Galatea wrote: And then there was the nightmare of Logic Pro stopping accepting 32-bit plu= gins in the upgrade from 9 to X. For those of us who upgraded while sleep-d= eprived and deleted the old one to save room on our battle-weary 2009 macbo= oks it meant a sudden loss of facility that took breath away. I certainly d= idn't have the wherewithal to buy new shiny 64-bit plugins, and most of the= old ones had developers who had disappeared. And I didn't want to lose the= intuition I had developed with the old plugins.It wasn't until that compan= y SoundRadix brought out 32-lives that I could exhale. I know the logic of shifting to 64-bit and addressability and legacy code, = but it really felt abusive. Facing it all over again now that my laptop won= 't run the new MacOs. From: amyx@isproductions.com Subject: Would love your input, stories, suggestions Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 21:29:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers- delight.com Folks -- This thread on Mobius problems with the new system is interesting. I use Mo= bius in my performances; my musical career is absolutely dependent on it. I= t works consistently well on the old system I am running, which I cannot up= grade until I get a new mixer/interface, because the one I have used to cre= ate my current repertoire requires MLAN software that Yamaha stopped making= several years ago. Porting my songs over to a different technology (say a = MIDI fader box and all effects in software), could easily take months, so I= plan to take time off from performing next year in order to do nothing but= that. That kind of sucks. Later this month I am giving a talk at Project BBQ (a yearly think tank of = audio professionals --=C2=A0http://www.projectbarbq.com ) on the topic of h= ow the pressure to constantly upgrade software, forcing one to often upgrad= e hardware, causing one to have to re-program, re-think and sometimes aband= on one's compositions. affects the life of a working artist, or really anyo= ne dependent on uninterrupted use of these products. At the same time, clearly advances in technology have been stunning, and it= 's great to be able to take advantage of them. I'm looking for:a) any interesting stories you might have about how upgrade= s have caused disruption =C2=A0to your art, andb) any constructive suggesti= ons for this group of professionals. How might they support artists who are= dependent on their products? How might they continue to develop new produc= ts but keep us happy as well, and make this profitable? What about trying h= arder to keep upgrades compatible with older software/hardware? Are there o= ptions to having to purchase new laptops every few years? Thanks all! I welcome your input on this ever-prevalent topic. I want to be= helpful to artists in this talk -- it's an opportunity to speak directly t= o the folks who actually make the stuff.. what would you like to tell them = or ask them? xx =CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF= =80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80 Amy X Neuburg http://www.amyxneuburg.com =CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF= =80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80 On Sep 26, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Richard Sales wrote: Yes indeed.=C2=A0 My question nowadays is, Who's serving who?And it's a que= stion that can range very wide - and reach into the deepest changes and mos= t important elements in our culture.=C2=A0 Tell you the Truth?=C2=A0 I'm a = little worried. And I'm not the worrying kind. On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 9:07 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando = wrote: I used to really love technology. Isn't that the truth :-) --=20 richard sales www.glasswing.com Hope is the thing with feathers that perches in the soul -=C2=A0Emily Dicki= nson =20 --=20 richard sales www.glasswing.com Hope is the thing with feathers that perches in the soul -=C2=A0Emily Dicki= nson =20 ------=_Part_11086461_1709049970.1475805400830 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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From: Richard Sales <richard@glasswing.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight= .com
Sent: Thursday, = October 6, 2016 7:10 AM
Subject:<= /span> Re: Would love your input, stories, suggestions

No questio= n software is incredibly vulnerable to planned entropy.  I've spent a = fortune keeping up with the digital Joneses but turns out the digital Jones= es are all hula skirts and Hawaiian shirts and no palm trees or ocean - or = as they say in country music, 'All hat, no horse'.  They keep adding b= ells and whistles to every aspect of the experience that clog the data arte= ries.  Go figure. 

The move from regular wires to db25 which started around e= ight years ago has cost me a couple thousand pints of blood and totally for= ces new logic on my studio design.  I don't know if anything was gaine= d from that.  Dats, ADATS... all worth about as much as a used mousetr= ap these days. 

The old saw is, Digital is a capitalist's wet dream.  Like = buying a car that, in five years you won't be able to find tires or gasolin= e for.  

Revamping the wiring of my studio now.  It's like Extreme Tetris.&n= bsp; Enormous logistics, turning the Rubric's Cube this way and that and ea= ch time seeing new options and better, more ergonomic ways to set it up. &n= bsp;

As I said before, I used to love technology but now = I pretty much resent its time sucking intrusion into my creative process.&n= bsp; High tech used to work for me, but now I work for it!  And the im= provements strike me as running downhill.  

It's a t= ransfer of wealth from the creative class to technology.  So my forty = year spending spree is pretty much over - as Rick Walker was sort of saying= .   I'm not paying Avid $1000 a year to subscribe to hardware and soft= ware (Pro Tools HDX) I've owned for decades.  

Someo= ne in a third world country could feed, house, raise and educate a family o= f twelve... and retire in comfort for what I've spent on this stuff. <= /div>
<= br clear=3D"none">
I do think someone could make a fine living stripping out= all the bells and whistles from the OS and selling those versions to recen= tly born again, time strapped Luddites like me.  Same with software fu= nction of DAWs.  

There's nothing like a great guita= r and great amp.  It's the willing spouse that's ever attractive and e= xotically faithful.  Add some pedals and your kingdom has come!  = Of course, there's 20 fine guitars on my wall now and ten fine amps in the = back room, but as long as I fire 'em up once a month, they will be singing = long after this very expensive digital stuff has gone to the recycling cent= re... or sold for $200. 

Don't think my AxeFX II XL+= will be worth a dozen sets of guitar strings in ten years - but it IS fun.=
=
There are some good digital companies like Spectrasonics= that makes Omnisphere.  Also Native Instruments big Kontakt, although= integration into Vienna Ensemble Pro requires huge Tetris finagling and ho= urs under the hood trying to get the pistons all moving harmoniously. =
=
I just wanted to play music - not fly the Starship Enter= prise!
I'm hoping this studio revision will make it easier, but I'm sure the= software update/upgrade guys will do all they can to eat my precious time.=  

My current thoughts on Time?  Don't spend it = all in one place!
:)
Richard Sales

On Thu, Oct= 6, 2016 at 4:13 AM, Ivodne Galatea <takas20@hotmail.com> wrot= e:
And then there w= as the nightmare of Logic Pro stopping accepting 32-bit plugins in the upgr= ade from 9 to X. For those of us who upgraded while sleep-deprived and dele= ted the old one to save room on our battle-weary 2009 macbooks it meant a s= udden loss of facility that took breath away. I certainly didn't have the w= herewithal to buy new shiny 64-bit plugins, and most of the old ones had de= velopers who had disappeared. And I didn't want to lose the intuition I had= developed with the old plugins.
It wasn't until that comp= any SoundRadix brought out 32-lives that I could exhale.

I know the logic of shifting to 64-bit and addressabi= lity and legacy code, but it really felt abusive. Facing it all over again = now that my laptop won't run the new MacOs.







From= : amyx@isproduct= ions.com
Subject: Would love your input, stories, sug= gestions
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 21:29:32 -0700
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers- delight.com

Folks --

This thr= ead on Mobius problems with the new system is interesting. I use Mobius in = my performances; my musical career is absolutely dependent on it. It works = consistently well on the old system I am running, which I cannot upgrade un= til I get a new mixer/interface, because the one I have used to create my c= urrent repertoire requires MLAN software that Yamaha stopped making several= years ago. Porting my songs over to a different technology (say a MIDI fad= er box and all effects in software), could easily take months, so I plan to= take time off from performing next year in order to do nothing but that.

That kind of sucks.

Later this month I am giving a talk at Project BBQ = (a yearly think tank of audio professionals -- http://= www.projectbarbq.com ) on the topic of how the pressure to constantly u= pgrade software, forcing one to often upgrade hardware, causing one to have= to re-program, re-think and sometimes abandon one's compositions. affects = the life of a working artist, or really anyone dependent on uninterrupted u= se of these products.

At the same t= ime, clearly advances in technology have been stunning, and it's great to b= e able to take advantage of them.

I= 'm looking for:
a) any interesting stories you might have about h= ow upgrades have caused disruption  to your art, and
b) any = constructive suggestions for this group of professionals. How might they su= pport artists who are dependent on their products? How might they continue = to develop new products but keep us happy as well, and make this profitable= ? What about trying harder to keep upgrades compatible with older software/= hardware? Are there options to having to purchase new laptops every few yea= rs?

Thanks all! I welcome your inpu= t on this ever-prevalent topic. I want to be helpful to artists in this tal= k -- it's an opportunity to speak directly to the folks who actually make t= he stuff.. what would you like to tell them or ask them?

xx

=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF= =80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80= =CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80
Amy X Neuburg
http://www.amyxneuburg.com
=CF= =80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80= =CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80

On Sep 26, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Richard Sales &l= t;richard@glasswin= g.com> wrote:

<= div style=3D"font-size:large;">Yes indeed.  My question nowadays is, W= ho's serving who?
And it's a question = that can range very wide - and reach into the deepest changes and most impo= rtant elements in our culture.  Tell you the Truth?  I'm a little= worried. And I'm not the worrying kind.

= On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 9:07 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando <= billowhead@gmail.com= > wrote:

I used to really love technolo= gy.

Isn't that t= he truth :-)


=

--
richard sa= les
www.glasswing.com
<= div dir=3D"ltr">

Hope is the thing with feathers that perches in the soul - <= strong style=3D"line-height:1.2;color:rgb(121,119,116);font-family:verdana,= arial, sans-serif;font-size:11px;">Emily Dickinson


=09=09 =09 =09= =09



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Hope is the thing with feathers that perches in th= e soul - Emily Dickinson=

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------=_Part_11086461_1709049970.1475805400830-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 7 04:50:58 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 816C614392F; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 04:50:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-TMN: [1vBOBD/PjDQg8XhSl6phLJul1zZI4jKC] X-Originating-Email: [takas20@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_da8abbd2-046b-4798-9243-66096d735f50_" From: Ivodne Galatea To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Would love your input, stories Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 04:50:57 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2016 04:50:57.0543 (UTC) FILETIME=[64ABE970:01D22056] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 04:50:58 +0000 (UTC) --_da8abbd2-046b-4798-9243-66096d735f50_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Also with the lost of Windows 3.1 - I still have Brian Eno's album for Koan= (as a floppy disc www.discogs.com/Brian-Eno-Generative-Music-I/release/145= 2850) that I can't play any more. It's not like having an old 8-track you c= an't play=2C because the brilliant thing about that album was you could lis= ten to the record unfold over days.=0A= =0A= I also lost a ton of software when Mac went from PowerPC to Intel.=0A= =0A= From: berefarno@gmail.com=0A= Date: Thu=2C 6 Oct 2016 20:01:25 +0800=0A= Subject: Mourning DOS Re: Would love your input=2C stories=0A= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A= =0A= =0A= I have felt left behind by a technological rapture several times. =0A= =0A= So much wonderful DOS software stopped working with Windows 95 - I particul= arly felt the loss of RAVEL=2C MusicBox and Sound Globs.=0A= =0A= Jim Binkley's RAVEL system - a dedicated parallel language that only ran on= an MPU-401. I remember having an extra-large laptop so I could run and MPU= -401 in it. I have kept a 1992 Pentium running DOS 6 since then just to use= it (even though I moved on to things like PureData) Here is stuff about RA= VEL ftp://ftp.cs.uu.nl/pub/MIDI/DOC/ravel.doc (it's not a doc=2C it's a tex= t file you can read in your browser). People like Warren Burt used RAVEL in= the 80s =0A= =0A= Jon Dunn's MusicBox=2C which let me play with a pretend hardware sequencer = I couldn't afford long before such things were commonplace http://www.alg= oart.com/musicbox/algmbox.html It evolved into the Kinetic Music Machine.= =0A= =0A= There was another one - SoundGlobs? - had temperament setting so you could = write 19-tone algorithmic stuff. You could program in a Gamelan=2C or autom= ate a Raga machine. Yes=2C it sounded truly awful by today's standards=2C b= ut it had a kind of magic to it. It stopped working an age ago=0A= =0A= Funny how with time using the old box has come to be almost a performance p= ractice thing=2C like playing a harpsichord or a viol da gamba. I have an o= riiginal Roland U-110 MT-32 and things like that. I know I could do more an= d more easily with an iPad=2C but I love how I can make it do what I want (= the old DOS computer). =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= = --_da8abbd2-046b-4798-9243-66096d735f50_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Also with the lost of Windows 3.= 1 -=A0I still have Brian Eno's album for Koan=A0(as a floppy disc www.disco= gs.com/Brian-Eno-Generative-Music-I/release/1452850) that I can't play any = more. It's not like having an old 8-track you can't play=2C because the bri= lliant thing about that album was you could listen to the record unfold ove= r days.=0A= =0A= I also lost a ton of software when Mac went from PowerPC to Intel.=0A= =0A= From: berefarno@gmail.com=0A= Date: Thu=2C 6 Oct 2016 20:01:25 +0800=0A= Subject: Mourning DOS Re: Would love your input=2C stories=0A= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A= =0A= =0A= I have felt left behind by a technological rapture several times.=A0=0A= =0A= So much wonderful DOS software stopped working with Windows 95 - I particul= arly felt the loss of RAVEL=2C MusicBox and Sound Globs.=0A= =0A= Jim Binkley's RAVEL system - a dedicated parallel language that only ran on= an MPU-401. I remember having an extra-large laptop so I could run and MPU= -401 in it. I have kept a 1992 Pentium running DOS 6 since then just to use= it (even though I moved on to things like PureData) Here is stuff about RA= VEL=A0ftp://ftp.cs.uu.nl/pub/MIDI/DOC/ravel.doc (it's not a doc=2C it's a t= ext file you can read in your browser). People like Warren Burt used RAVEL = in the 80s=A0=0A= =0A= Jon Dunn's MusicBox=2C which let me play with a pretend hardware sequencer = I couldn't afford long before such things were commonplace =A0 http://www.a= lgoart.com/musicbox/algmbox.html It evolved into the Kinetic Music Machine.= =0A= =0A= There was another one - SoundGlobs? - had temperament setting so you could = write 19-tone algorithmic stuff. You could program in a Gamelan=2C or autom= ate a Raga machine. Yes=2C it sounded truly awful by today's standards=2C b= ut it had a kind of magic to it. It stopped working an age ago=0A= =0A= Funny how with time using the old box has come to be almost a performance p= ractice thing=2C like playing a harpsichord or a viol da gamba. I have an o= riiginal Roland U-110 MT-32 and things like that. I know I could do more an= d more easily with an iPad=2C but I love how I can make it do what I want (= the old DOS computer).=A0=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=
= --_da8abbd2-046b-4798-9243-66096d735f50_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 7 04:54:54 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F69914392F; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 04:54:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-TMN: [i/LO24V4BlpLX8vXoqLou90azUDMPQrv] X-Originating-Email: [takas20@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: Ivodne Galatea To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: Would love your input, stories Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 04:54:52 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2016 04:54:53.0108 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1144740:01D22056] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 04:54:54 +0000 (UTC) Don't know what happened there in message mangling - kind of recursive=2C a= message being subverted by the mail list software.=0A= =0A= ________________________________=0A= > From: takas20@hotmail.com =0A= > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com =0A= > Subject: Re: Would love your input=2C stories =0A= > Date: Fri=2C 7 Oct 2016 04:50:57 +0000 =0A= =0A= Also with the lost of Windows 3.1 - I still have Brian Eno's album for=A0Ko= an (as a floppy disc www.discogs.com/Brian-Eno-Generative-Music-I/release/1= 452850) that I =A0can't play any more. It's not like having an old 8-track = you can't =A0play=2C because the brilliant thing about that album was you c= ould listen =A0to the record unfold over days.=A0=0A= =0A= I also lost a ton of software when Mac =A0went from PowerPC to Intel.=A0=0A= =0A= From: berefarno@gmail.com Date: Thu=2C 6 Oct =A02016 20:01:25 +0800=A0=0A= Subject: Mourning DOS Re: Would love your input=2C =A0stories=A0=0A= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=A0=0A= =0A= I have felt left behind =A0by a technological rapture several times. So muc= h wonderful DOS software stopped working with Windows 95 - I particularly f= elt the loss of RAVEL=2C MusicBox and Sound Globs.=A0=0A= =0A= Jim Binkley's RAVEL system - a=A0dedicated parallel language that only ran = on an MPU-401. I remember having an extra-large laptop so I could run and M= PU-401 in it. I have kept a 1992 Pentium running DOS 6 since then just to u= se it (even though I moved on to things like PureData) Here is stuff about = =A0RAVEL ftp://ftp.cs.uu.nl/pub/MIDI/DOC/ravel.doc (it's not a doc=2C it's = a =A0text file you can read in your browser). People like Warren Burt used = RAVEL in the 80s=A0=0A= =0A= Jon Dunn's MusicBox=2C which let me play with a pretend hardware sequencer = I couldn't afford long before such things were commonplace http://www.algoa= rt.com/musicbox/algmbox.html It evolved into the Kinetic Music Machine.=A0= =0A= =0A= There was another one - SoundGlobs? - had temperament setting so you could = write 19-tone algorithmic stuff. You could program in a Gamelan=2C or autom= ate a Raga machine. Yes=2C it =0A= sounded truly awful by today's standards=2C but it had a kind of magic to i= t.=A0=0A= =0A= It stopped working an age ago Funny how with time using the old box =A0has = come to be almost a performance practice thing=2C like playing a harpsichor= d or a viol da gamba. I have an oriiginal Roland U-110 MT-32 =A0and things = like that. I know I could do more and more easily with an =A0iPad=2C but I = love how I can make it do what I want (the old DOS =A0computer). =0A= = From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 7 05:05:28 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FF8514392F; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 05:05:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1475816727; bh=iNTOY+jP4oAYS3Liyq4hc9+80qysyXp2paF9krvNw44=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=tg/u0iADsE+scl8AhPusjGisaBTirRdYT0jGrxc3Hhpr1iqO3kBp6lgCWbhlv9f39ySOLvI9A9tULrdwoGE+Xc/qHk6uGDH8AkrlDM7Q9EJMz/NZ9fbpUEwu5/r5tHvbxgRbGEGjUUZgyDGeTx/aJwOtSxP3fAnhIk1oQTh0T5SNdN5pE1P44tY8AAM7gZ6gvCjLjNKHt0VYaZQDg+GGvm66sqxAGo7rIbyOfkssUVrsHq7R9e6q9fNoco6ZkdTr4bFW+Aa+e06jkiT7o8McKq6FYAGwjybc3PhpGGEsZW/BjJfKKlg7sq0SsQzKFgBhNGW2FC32bqnT/BHBLcHv/A== X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-4 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 50667.96003.bm@omp1026.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: ZoBWVMoVM1mI8.5pUqhoEUmFVfDoUGTBms_3Rb.UVY.zxhAssbVRiof600FLaT4 ehXVso7JPeR9594GyzDIecm4xf4XKhSJDaKRtQpo2FpnMIIRNEHKmrPhn0hk7saXtQZC5zeq6BpY JHXc3OLszfosAP8Jum6R.Z5uagsF2ShtvsanZTZSiBCcK6xmyUuni89mvEHOEMqNDUvMI5VJXXB1 VLJ0zZz2NnITfHkktzZHj4WdLN9dKUXjdo1k3mFdUb4jr350uIclurGPAA5.VRxVErKbvA6kanto VoINJKmtjL8ohbB.7ZMbN8w4pRk7qFBKCBLhAvZdOnqDoCCly.cu8q4fsXkFjVRwftaAUxsVLpZc hUY9H_y6ReZF9IKshpdUMLbDoV3G.S3PKONMVEYAf.75ZdquVcMz9Ei0bfTy0jlD4D8DBxUA7xZi oJ7R2rxdxuVDH.x6ADOs0nIhzjtVVXadiwLCoBA14r4VU3Koqun5n0MtFHtoDc1fRSo16lIBKM4x 6Pp_0R9Hi.6OfHEXF.PSkLYmK8ltPhQBugRraqOim Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 04:59:38 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric Howell Reply-To: Eric Howell To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: <971654471.5842204.1475816378962@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: Would love your input, stories MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5842203_1520799440.1475816378959" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 05:05:28 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5842203_1520799440.1475816378959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jane, stop this crazy thing!=C2=A0 How do I un-subscribe to this thread? From: Ivodne Galatea To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" =20 Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 11:54 PM Subject: RE: Would love your input, stories =20 Don't know what happened there in message mangling - kind of recursive, a m= essage being subverted by the mail list software. ________________________________ > From: takas20@hotmail.com=20 > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20 > Subject: Re: Would love your input, stories=20 > Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 04:50:57 +0000=20 Also with the lost of Windows 3.1 - I still have Brian Eno's album for=C2= =A0Koan (as a floppy disc www.discogs.com/Brian-Eno-Generative-Music-I/rele= ase/1452850) that I =C2=A0can't play any more. It's not like having an old = 8-track you can't =C2=A0play, because the brilliant thing about that album = was you could listen =C2=A0to the record unfold over days.=C2=A0 I also lost a ton of software when Mac =C2=A0went from PowerPC to Intel.=C2= =A0 From: berefarno@gmail.com Date: Thu, 6 Oct =C2=A02016 20:01:25 +0800=C2=A0 Subject: Mourning DOS Re: Would love your input, =C2=A0stories=C2=A0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=C2=A0 I have felt left behind =C2=A0by a technological rapture several times. So = much wonderful DOS software stopped working with Windows 95 - I particularl= y felt the loss of RAVEL, MusicBox and Sound Globs.=C2=A0 Jim Binkley's RAVEL system - a=C2=A0dedicated parallel language that only r= an on an MPU-401. I remember having an extra-large laptop so I could run an= d MPU-401 in it. I have kept a 1992 Pentium running DOS 6 since then just t= o use it (even though I moved on to things like PureData) Here is stuff abo= ut =C2=A0RAVEL ftp://ftp.cs.uu.nl/pub/MIDI/DOC/ravel.doc (it's not a doc, i= t's a =C2=A0text file you can read in your browser). People like Warren Bur= t used RAVEL in the 80s=C2=A0 Jon Dunn's MusicBox, which let me play with a pretend hardware sequencer I = couldn't afford long before such things were commonplace http://www.algoart= .com/musicbox/algmbox.html It evolved into the Kinetic Music Machine.=C2=A0 There was another one - SoundGlobs? - had temperament setting so you could = write 19-tone algorithmic stuff. You could program in a Gamelan, or automat= e a Raga machine. Yes, it=20 sounded truly awful by today's standards, but it had a kind of magic to it.= =C2=A0 It stopped working an age ago Funny how with time using the old box =C2=A0h= as come to be almost a performance practice thing, like playing a harpsicho= rd or a viol da gamba. I have an oriiginal Roland U-110 MT-32 =C2=A0and thi= ngs like that. I know I could do more and more easily with an =C2=A0iPad, b= ut I love how I can make it do what I want (the old DOS =C2=A0computer).=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=20 =20 ------=_Part_5842203_1520799440.1475816378959 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jane, stop this crazy= thing!  How do I un-subscribe to this thread?


=
From: Ivodne Galatea <takas20@hotmail.com>
= To: "Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com" <loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 11:5= 4 PM
Subject: RE: Woul= d love your input, stories

Don't know what happene= d there in message mangling - kind of recursive, a message being subverted = by the mail list software.

___________= _____________________

> From: takas20@hotmail.com
> To: looper= s-delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Woul= d love your input, stories
> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 04= :50:57 +0000

Also with the lost of Wi= ndows 3.1 - I still have Brian Eno's album for Koan (as a floppy disc = www.discogs.com/Brian-Eno-Generative-Music-I/release/1452850) that I  = can't play any more. It's not like having an old 8-track you can't  pl= ay, because the brilliant thing about that album was you could listen  = ;to the record unfold over days. 

I also lost a ton of software when Mac  went from PowerPC to Intel.&n= bsp;

From: berefar= no@gmail.com Date: Thu, 6 Oct  2016 20:01:25 +0800 
Subject: Mourning DOS Re: Would love your input,  stories&nb= sp;
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 

I have felt left behind  by a technological rapture several = times. So much wonderful DOS software stopped working with Windows 95 - I p= articularly felt the loss of RAVEL, MusicBox and Sound Globs. 

Jim Binkley's RAVEL system - a dedicated= parallel language that only ran on an MPU-401. I remember having an extra-= large laptop so I could run and MPU-401 in it. I have kept a 1992 Pentium r= unning DOS 6 since then just to use it (even though I moved on to things li= ke PureData) Here is stuff about  RAVEL ftp://ftp.cs.uu.nl= /pub/MIDI/DOC/ravel.doc (it's not a doc, it's a  text file you can= read in your browser). People like Warren Burt used RAVEL in the 80s =

Jon Dunn's MusicBox, which let me pla= y with a pretend hardware sequencer I couldn't afford long before such thin= gs were commonplace http://www.algoart.com/musicbox/algmbox.= html It evolved into the Kinetic Music Machine. 

There was another one - SoundGlobs? - had temperament s= etting so you could write 19-tone algorithmic stuff. You could program in a= Gamelan, or automate a Raga machine. Yes, it
sounded tr= uly awful by today's standards, but it had a kind of magic to it. 

It stopped working an age ago Funny how w= ith time using the old box  has come to be almost a performance practi= ce thing, like playing a harpsichord or a viol da gamba. I have an oriigina= l Roland U-110 MT-32  and things like that. I know I could do more and= more easily with an  iPad, but I love how I can make it do what I wan= t (the old DOS  computer).
    &nbs= p;               &= nbsp;  


------=_Part_5842203_1520799440.1475816378959-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 7 05:14:45 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B93A14392F; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 05:14:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 4430 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at arsenic; Fri, 07 Oct 2016 05:14:45 UTC From: William Walker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Would love your input, stories, Message-Id: <3CB6110F-D00C-44A0-8573-B43C04767449@baymoon.com> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 21:00:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 05:14:45 +0000 (UTC) Hi Amy , Im a Mobius user as well going on 3 years +. Recently after = resisting changing operating systems on my Macbook because I had heard = some issues of instability with Mobius, I was forced to do so, because = other Mac apps I use regularly where crashing and no longer being = upgraded. Much to my horror I had skipped a couple of operating system = changes ( completely missed Yosemite and maybe one of the cats) and went = strait to El Capitan. Being a former rock climber and frequent visitor = to Yosemite as a kid, The El Capitan metaphor was not lost on me, as at = first trying to use Mobius exhibited scary cliff hanger behavior in the = form of erratic screen visuals, the red track record indicator wheels = would fail to appear or stick or be sluggish, etc even though I was = actually being able to record. After 5-7 minutes it would stabilize and = the visuals would return to normal, but anytime I rebooted it would = exhibit the same behavior. I still haven=E2=80=99t cured the problem but = I found a work around where if I open Mobius, go to the configuration = menu, drop down to audio devices and click ok, Mobius acts just fine, = but I have to perform that little move every time I boot up Mobius. Im = tempted to try and solve the issue but I don=E2=80=99t have the computer = chops to do so nor the time to spend doing it. I=E2=80=99m also at a = point where I have things I'd rather do than learn a new operating = system. Too Much Techy and not enough Twangy. Its all gotten too = complex for my shrinking brain,=20 =20 Bill= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 7 05:24:01 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 980CF14392F; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 05:24:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:message-id:date :references:in-reply-to:to; bh=CtyGltpmgg4CYIvDlq/A7nKOCUDD/WlX/suvHMgzFPY=; b=mCMKRxcyw7Z8Zol04RvuGQQ2Dc8ZXsLEmI9wMTgSauwWhAimEfrIf5oPmQWIO2mKzk XqiKwz53+xNLF55IEuBHBYZwsBl2AplVZzECJ1fk6AhdJAT2A3ICSXMeV+Qjc11p94kA lzMVlgT00UETu0nj+cmL3jLxznyMuZGY3E1MSkBc4ydoxeoZk06VzgEOyP/L/3DkUW8X 2JZa7RRs060HRB8oykyINeYQrJ3/eAc3cQ6NLmgY69jgK7niKX/ECcrHKRqu9TKfatRB uBRru+8/55Td7Hj8TSvM1UXkPAYub/VK0+++JtjWjmEQ7rdKDN28pJItx+Zw3rfNM5zC hvHQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:message-id:date:references:in-reply-to:to; bh=CtyGltpmgg4CYIvDlq/A7nKOCUDD/WlX/suvHMgzFPY=; b=mBICHieTKLHChs0/KWiBb2IGvk3tGVrfr8FjwYv5lezVrnajSlyyoCblwow26tGtE7 /Loa0dJPuIAj0+g/keFhf8rduGuea3+u6uL9BWuS651EC6ajRGiBFg/r1e4Ymnllw6lZ uvDNyN1mzKLQGV9N4bs3bICIeNWkgzImLIQ2RKPgFJjnFA/aBER8+ZWPwcVH/xQoxsuV GdQUf3U74X2SUL+LCf9nHzjjBBV9NduGHB7jgW1z8vF6nI69ontdW9XBmNyYjAMEz8Xh RpvESmP96/dM8lDr727moOts1Uj7HbUqDEEJbpp3GwVjEMFytnafa6322uHcj53oriaB ZCbA== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9Rl8sFpkTW16ll8rrU7rqRDzDfrcu7GSY6SWEBt1HL2G1/8f8xGMX0ACjsD9YIqV3w== X-Received: by 10.46.0.75 with SMTP id 72mr7980505lja.68.1475817839403; Thu, 06 Oct 2016 22:23:59 -0700 (PDT) From: mark francombe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: Would love your input, stories, Message-Id: <91BD20D5-353A-4DDF-BCF9-9A4F80AB0433@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 07:23:57 +0200 References: <3CB6110F-D00C-44A0-8573-B43C04767449@baymoon.com> In-Reply-To: <3CB6110F-D00C-44A0-8573-B43C04767449@baymoon.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13G36) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 05:24:01 +0000 (UTC) What HAS happened to that Jeff Larsen fellow, someone should pay him a visit= ... or bung him some moolah...=20 Mark Sent from my (advertisement removed) > On 7 Oct 2016, at 06:00, William Walker wrote: >=20 > Mobius exhibited scary cliff hanger behavior From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 8 23:25:29 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E884914392F; Sat, 8 Oct 2016 23:25:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: Would love your input, stories, From: Amy X Neuburg In-Reply-To: <91BD20D5-353A-4DDF-BCF9-9A4F80AB0433@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 16:24:27 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <3CB6110F-D00C-44A0-8573-B43C04767449@baymoon.com> <91BD20D5-353A-4DDF-BCF9-9A4F80AB0433@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - zosma.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - isproductions.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: zosma.lunarpages.com: authenticated_id: amyx@isproductions.com X-Authenticated-Sender: zosma.lunarpages.com: amyx@isproductions.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 23:25:29 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, everyone, for the great discussion =E2=80=94 lots of good = stories and useful info here. I hope my little talk with the audio = development folks has some small impact, but I=E2=80=99m not promising = anything. BTW I sent Jeff a little moolah, inspired by this last email from Mark. = My life revolves around Mobius =E2=80=94 it=E2=80=99s the most reliable, = flexible and easy-to-see and interact with live looping software I know = of. I=E2=80=99m aware we can=E2=80=99t always blame the developers for = the upgrade problem =E2=80=94 often they are stuck with a programming = model that demands they drop support of older version in order to = incorporate new useful features, so they are at the mercy of the system = just like the rest of us. I aim to question this whole working model and = suggest a different philosophical approach. Right, good luck... On Oct 6, 2016, at 10:23 PM, mark francombe = wrote: > What HAS happened to that Jeff Larsen fellow, someone should pay him a = visit... or bung him some moolah...=20 >=20 > Mark >=20 > Sent from my (advertisement removed) >=20 >> On 7 Oct 2016, at 06:00, William Walker = wrote: >>=20 >> Mobius exhibited scary cliff hanger behavior >=20 =CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF= =80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80 Amy X Neuburg http://www.amyxneuburg.com =CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF= =80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80=CF=80 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 04:23:55 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A82AD14390F; Mon, 10 Oct 2016 04:23:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: PiNG Subject: PiNG:10:11:16 > North Atlantic Drift + Valiska (Calgary) + General Chaos Visuals Reply-To: ping@theambientping.com To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: <4db284d6-44a3-89ba-7fc7-5321d176bd88@theambientping.com> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 00:23:52 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020204.57FB17DA.0157,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 04:23:55 +0000 (UTC) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . TUESDAY OCTOBER 11TH 2016 . PiNG:10:11:16 THE PiNG presents NORTH ATLANTIC DRIFT + VALISKA (Calgary) + GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS @ Handlebar . 159 Augusta Ave . Toronto, ON Canada (Kensington Market) West of Spadina & North of Dundas PiNG doors open at 8:30pm . 1st set at 9:00 . $8-10 . 9:00 . VALISKA is the project of Calgary-based experimental musician Krzysztof Sujata, exploring the intersection between ambient, drone and modern composition. https://valiska.bandcamp.com . 10:00 . NORTH ATLANTIC DRIFT is the experimental, ambient & electronic duo of Brad Deschamps & Mike Abercrombie. Formed in the summer of 2011 with early influences ranging from Boards of Canada & Stars Of The Lid to Erik Satie & Tangerine Dream, the two musicians released their first record in early 2012 entitled *Canvas*. This debut record would see the duo set an atmospheric, ambient & melodic tone that would carry over into following albums. Their live set consists of variations of predominantly minimal ambience for guitar and synthesizers with the occasional addition of electronics. http://polarseasrecordings.bandcamp.com . GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS will blend their swirling, hand painted transparencies throughout the evening. http://www.generalchaosvisuals.ca . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . COMiNG SOON: TUESDAY NOVEMBER 15TH 2016 . PiNG:11:15:16 The PiNG presents l'ombre + Shimmer Crush + No Seas @ Handlebar . 159 Augusta Ave . Toronto, ON Canada (Kensington Market) West of Spadina & North of Dundas PiNG doors open at 8:30pm . 1st set at 9:00 . $8-10 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a Toronto based creative community of audio artists, performers, musicians and visual artists. The PiNG presents live multimedia performances featuring ambient, electronic, soundscape, space, drone, psychedelic, chillout, downtempo, darkwave and experimental artists from around the world. http://www.theambientping.com The PiNG also has a Twitter account to send you advance updates and reminders of the when & where of future PiNG events. Just search for ambientping to find us. http://twitter.com We're on facebook too: https://www.facebook.com/The-AMBiENT-PiNG-207688729241637 or Search for THE AMBiENT PiNG: http://www.facebook.com ViSiT the ping things store for ambient, electronic and chill things: http://www.pingthings.com Viners and Instagrammers - Scott has set up a Vine page for THE AMBiENT PiNG and a hashtag for #ambientping that can be used on Instagram and Vine to help document PiNG performances with your photos, videos and loops! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 12:27:37 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A470D143911; Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:27:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=helpwantedproductions.com; h=message-id:from:to:subject:date:content-type:mime-version; s= helpwantedproductions.com; bh=KN3puE6InBOXds2xuBTich+C0ho=; b=XG KoWLqQgsD34gPq1oAbw3RXIG1VetCd8j+tLBua23rYBnNM9wbmTg8fQNFjV0EYaD uInDDJiDsFBxKWjkKYyXbZlYsotpMRwg2efNqJJ+8gR9UnF0Qnh0yYlJqLyhJxnw gESZtfmPdjM5IRk36jW3+wFFzWrPc1VHbZxE+QVAs= Message-Id: <3b4299986bf3760f66409b78271c261ac640f0bc@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Atmail 7.5.3 X-Originating-IP: 72.94.250.36 Subject: Loading Wavs -> into -> the Digitech Jamman stereo? Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 05:27:34 -0700 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_1ab8ccaa23492bda0321af98e20b96a1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:27:37 +0000 (UTC) --=_1ab8ccaa23492bda0321af98e20b96a1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0ASo I bit the bullet and picked up a Jamman stereo locally off CL.= =0ABreaks my heart to abandon my DL4 but the ongoing DOA issues with tha= t=0Apedal made the decision a lot easier. But I digress...)=0A=0AMy ques= tion is how do I load a WAV file FROM my PC -> to the=0AJammman.=C2=A0= =0A=0AI have downloaded the PC software and =C2=A0hooked it up via USB a= nd SD=0Acard. I can load wavs into the "library" of the software but don= 't see=0Aa way to place the file into the JamMan (either internal memory= or SD=0Acard). I don't know the syntax or file structure for the folder= s on=0Athe card and my attempts to simply copy wavs to the SD card and t= hen=0Aplay them haven't worked.=C2=A0=0A=0AIs this possible? While it's= clear how to "back up" files already on=0Athe jamman there seems to be= no info on copying FROM external TO the=0Aunit. =C2=A0My goal is to use= the Jamman as both a looper but also load=0Asamples and snippets that I= can play on the fly in my live cabaret=0Ashows.=C2=A0=0A=0AI suppose I= could play the sample into the Jamman and make a loop of=0Ait but that= seems a bit silly given there is a PC interface AND=0Aexternal memory o= ption. =C2=A0Any help loading a file in without having to=0Amake a new l= oop via audio in to the JMS greatly appreciated.=0A=0A --=_1ab8ccaa23492bda0321af98e20b96a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So I bit the bullet and picked up a Jamman stereo locall= y off CL. Breaks my heart to abandon my DL4 but the ongoing DOA issues w= ith that pedal made the decision a lot easier. But I digress...)
My question is how do I load a WAV file FROM my PC -> to= the Jammman.=C2=A0

I have downloaded the PC so= ftware and =C2=A0hooked it up via USB and SD card. I can load wavs into= the "library" of the software but don't see a way to place the file int= o the JamMan (either internal memory or SD card). I don't know the synta= x or file structure for the folders on the card and my attempts to simpl= y copy wavs to the SD card and then play them haven't worked.=C2=A0

Is this possible? While it's clear how to "back up"= files already on the jamman there seems to be no info on copying FROM e= xternal TO the unit. =C2=A0My goal is to use the Jamman as both a looper= but also load samples and snippets that I can play on the fly in my liv= e cabaret shows.=C2=A0

I suppose I could play t= he sample into the Jamman and make a loop of it but that seems a bit sil= ly given there is a PC interface AND external memory option. =C2=A0Any h= elp loading a file in without having to make a new loop via audio in to= the JMS greatly appreciated.


= --=_1ab8ccaa23492bda0321af98e20b96a1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 13:16:15 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEDE514390C; Mon, 10 Oct 2016 13:16:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Rick Williamson IV Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_05068E1E-9CB4-4CED-A551-A726E350EAFC" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) Subject: Re: Loading Wavs -> into -> the Digitech Jamman stereo? Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 08:16:14 -0500 References: <3b4299986bf3760f66409b78271c261ac640f0bc@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3b4299986bf3760f66409b78271c261ac640f0bc@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1a7fe157fb949e751f X-AOL-IP: 47.182.51.249 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 13:16:15 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_05068E1E-9CB4-4CED-A551-A726E350EAFC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii =46rom Digitech site http://digitech.com/products/JamMan/JamMan.htm JamMan FAQs Is there a minimum length a loop has to be? Yes. The JamMan Looper requires a loop be at least 3.5 seconds long. If = a loop is shorter than 3.5 seconds, there will be gaps in playback. What must be done when importing loops from a computer to the JamMan = Looper? When downloading .wav files into the Jamman, there is short protocol to = follow: 1) .wav files need to be 16 bit, 44.1K sampling rate 2).wav files must be MONO, not stereo files. 3) Create a folder in the JAMMAN drive that shows up when you plug in = the USB connection, by right clicking, select NEW>FOLDER, and name the = folder LOOP01, LOOP02, etc. 4)Before dragging the .wav file into the created folder, rename the wav = file LOOP.wav Where do I find the serial # and model? The date code on the box is the serial number, such as DEC05. The model = designation is JML. How do I import loops from another source? The audio format needs to be uncompressed .wav 44.1 kHz 16 bit mono; the = file needs be named LOOP01, LOOP02, LOOP03, ECT. The wav needs to be = named LOOP. Record a loop on the JamMan, connect the JamMan to the = computer, and double click on the JamMan folder, then double click on = the LOOP01 folder or the folder of the loop # you created. At this point = you will see the loop WAV file and the XML file right click on the loop = wav file click properties, click the summary tab. You need to make sure = that the wav file you are trying to place on the JamMan matches these = Loop properties. The XML file is not needed in the loop01 loop02 loop03 ECT folder if you = are placing loops created from another source onto the JamMan. The XML = file is associated with the rhythm for loops created on the JamMan and = is not necessary for loops created from another source. =20 > On Oct 10, 2016, at 7:27 AM, legion@helpwantedproductions.com wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > So I bit the bullet and picked up a Jamman stereo locally off CL. = Breaks my heart to abandon my DL4 but the ongoing DOA issues with that = pedal made the decision a lot easier. But I digress...) >=20 > My question is how do I load a WAV file FROM my PC -> to the Jammman.=20= >=20 > I have downloaded the PC software and hooked it up via USB and SD = card. I can load wavs into the "library" of the software but don't see a = way to place the file into the JamMan (either internal memory or SD = card). I don't know the syntax or file structure for the folders on the = card and my attempts to simply copy wavs to the SD card and then play = them haven't worked.=20 >=20 > Is this possible? While it's clear how to "back up" files already on = the jamman there seems to be no info on copying FROM external TO the = unit. My goal is to use the Jamman as both a looper but also load = samples and snippets that I can play on the fly in my live cabaret = shows.=20 >=20 > I suppose I could play the sample into the Jamman and make a loop of = it but that seems a bit silly given there is a PC interface AND external = memory option. Any help loading a file in without having to make a new = loop via audio in to the JMS greatly appreciated. >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_05068E1E-9CB4-4CED-A551-A726E350EAFC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii =46rom Digitech site http://digitech.com/products/JamMan/JamMan.htm

JamMan = FAQs

Is there a minimum length a loop has to be?
Yes. The JamMan Looper requires a loop be at least 3.5 seconds = long.=20 If a loop is shorter than 3.5 seconds, there will be gaps in playback.
What must be done when importing loops from a = computer to the JamMan Looper?
When downloading .wav files into the Jamman, there is short = protocol to follow:
1) .wav files need to be 16 bit, 44.1K = sampling rate
2).wav files must be MONO, not stereo = files.
3) Create a folder in the JAMMAN drive that shows up when you plug in the=20= USB connection, by right clicking, select NEW>FOLDER, and name the=20 folder LOOP01, LOOP02, etc.
4)Before dragging the .wav = file into the created folder, rename the wav file LOOP.wav
Where do I find the serial # and model?
The date code on the box is the serial number, such as DEC05. = The model designation is JML.
How do I import loops from another source?
The audio format needs to be uncompressed .wav 44.1 kHz 16 bit = mono;=20 the file needs be named LOOP01, LOOP02, LOOP03, ECT. The wav needs to be named LOOP. Record a loop on the JamMan, connect the JamMan to the=20 computer, and double click on the JamMan folder, then double click on=20 the LOOP01 folder or the folder of the loop # you created. At this=20 point you will see the loop WAV file and the XML file right click on the loop wav file click properties, click the summary tab. You need to make sure that the wav file you are trying to place on the JamMan matches=20 these Loop properties.
The XML file is not needed in the = loop01=20 loop02 loop03 ECT folder if you are placing loops created from another=20= source onto the JamMan. The XML file is associated with the rhythm for=20= loops created on the JamMan and is not necessary for loops created from=20= another source.
 
On = Oct 10, 2016, at 7:27 AM, legion@helpwantedproductions.com wrote:



So I bit the bullet and picked = up a Jamman stereo locally off CL. Breaks my heart to abandon my DL4 but = the ongoing DOA issues with that pedal made the decision a lot easier. = But I digress...)

My = question is how do I load a WAV file FROM my PC -> to the = Jammman. 

I= have downloaded the PC software and  hooked it up via USB and SD = card. I can load wavs into the "library" of the software but don't see a = way to place the file into the JamMan (either internal memory or SD = card). I don't know the syntax or file structure for the folders on the = card and my attempts to simply copy wavs to the SD card and then play = them haven't worked. 

Is this possible? While it's clear how to "back up" files = already on the jamman there seems to be no info on copying FROM external = TO the unit.  My goal is to use the Jamman as both a looper but = also load samples and snippets that I can play on the fly in my live = cabaret shows. 

I suppose I could play the sample into the Jamman and make a = loop of it but that seems a bit silly given there is a PC interface AND = external memory option.  Any help loading a file in without having = to make a new loop via audio in to the JMS greatly = appreciated.


= --Apple-Mail=_05068E1E-9CB4-4CED-A551-A726E350EAFC-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 11 19:20:05 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D3CD143910; Tue, 11 Oct 2016 19:20:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Qkv/fieUT85K9BNtMlVgyOJ8NU4lqG0Y2vEggGdJKCQ=; b=ULrHYkpNjPCZvZwSFTLLTUyROkMtWHk0Z28fnqzeF5H863de5Uq5NrQoFReYxhw3/A w0TfXAmAKo6HNeXozo2LpqK/leu/rFbkQjNO58EJyHTVqVy0RRGvupAWmI2UuMVgt36g QYI/35KS2R4OxPIr6iZRXzZw3zzN/aPVWwCtb8w3ZWXkyFjNvfOFCt5p5yUCZD2fsRsI wp/A0mOA46eiTyjD6fNpHir/Ias2AfGCwyaYgz5BmNZ2VdYhN37T99VheQQ8DMDdPuEj 91imI4CE6GgFVeHm9f5n9bmijLfLAHT5ETSxSBcZ62Ox++yfF9ff/0YDavJ5LuXQf2WS VOkw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Qkv/fieUT85K9BNtMlVgyOJ8NU4lqG0Y2vEggGdJKCQ=; b=jjq8s01uiAKS3D7lU2WLFDsuspIrSNa42Ds3Q7peH4F6IsPm7VIVjMnp+Ub0ba8lFy QVnyzKMjZfFRMqzbA6/k2Iq7U6o9IlBYL4HTWyW2fabZgs5RuFld7F/CdSNRa5H6o+QD MYgoF3Md+piqxspO3ABmMo0qKZ+LRZz/SJy9Cm+BegNIMIqVpSqYQC5tW5S7+Os6gTbb R8tZ/BD6ZtBSfX8CFeWrZyUYth8cuYKm8M1mo6YNwrfkBWFhIzImmPP/B/ptOHtXvFc6 SlRn5ORa8kN7RYJ3ZvNEXzs8rUqnXoiZl3IHw9SvRuPEE6Tm1EW/fTbRa6cndmYGgiMO qzEg== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9RkpVF2tPANZrlI13Jlu4c+2xkGuLy65zP2gxAl03UzewA5Rqn0MGn2dDaXp7bqXuPKWS26EWSGXUrjiqA== X-Received: by 10.66.21.162 with SMTP id w2mr9219927pae.160.1476213604203; Tue, 11 Oct 2016 12:20:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jim Goodin Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 15:20:03 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: gigspam: video Y2K16 Providence Int'l Live Looping Festival - PVDLoop To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec520f3d97dc31c053e9bc37b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 19:20:05 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec520f3d97dc31c053e9bc37b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hey folks. I was fortunate to be part of the first east coast extension of the CA Y2K Int'l Live Looping Festival, Y2K16 Providence International Live Looping Festival - PVDLoop. Laurie Amat produced the multi day event which took place in Providence RI Sept 30/Oct 1/2. She did an amazing job of bringing together local and afar loopers including Hideki Nakanishi. I used iPad based looping using Loopy HD and efx from the delay app AUFX:Dub to process my violin. The video was shot by a fellow artist there Arvid Tomayko. He ran two cameras, wide and side which was quite a gift. Here's I cut from my set I made for those interested. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENYUGLPkUbg You can find more videos from other performers on the FB page for the festival - search the above addr. Jim -- -- Support JDRF, Type 1 Diabetes research and my participation in the 2016 Ride to Cure Diabetes! http://www2.jdrf.org/goto/jimgoodinjdrfridetocureT1D ********************************************************* The *Voice* of Jim Goodin - voice overs, audio books and character acting The *Music* of Jim Goodin - 'Organically inspired New Music' --bcaec520f3d97dc31c053e9bc37b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey folks. I was fortunate to be part of the first east co= ast extension of the CA Y2K Int'l Live Looping Festival, Y2K16 Providen= ce International Live Looping Festival - PVDLoop.=C2=A0 Laurie Amat produce= d the multi day event which took place in Providence RI Sept 30/Oct 1/2.=C2= =A0 She did an amazing job of bringing together local and afar loopers incl= uding Hideki Nakanishi.

I used iPad based looping using = Loopy HD and efx from the delay app AUFX:Dub to process my violin.=C2=A0 Th= e video was shot by a fellow artist there Arvid Tomayko.=C2=A0 He ran two c= ameras, wide and side which was quite a gift.=C2=A0 Here's I cut from m= y set I made for those interested.


You can find mor= e videos from other performers on the FB page for the festival - search the= above addr.

Jim

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To view them, click the link= s below. [https://r1.res.office365.com/owa/prem/images/dc-png_20.png] LongBeachLoopFest_Rejyna.png [https://r1.res.office365.com/owa/prem/images/dc-jpg_20.png] CSULBMap.jpg Hello all, just a heads up LOOPTOBER is Here!! OCTOBER 14th and 15th 2016 Southern California LoopFest California State University, Long Beach The Socal Loopfest is proud to be = supported by the Bob Cole Conservatory of Music, CSULB 6200 E Atherton St, Long Beach, CA 90815 562.985.4781 - Park in Lot 12 East of the Hall 2016 Performers Andre LaFosse - Los Angeles, CA Rejyna - Burbank CA P?RTRAIT @ CSU in Long Beach, CA Steuart Liebig - Los Angeles, CA Dustin Carpenter - Modesto, = CA Toaster Music - Long Beach, = CA Zack Walters - Long Beach, CA The Electric Noodle - San Francisco, CA MandoMan - Osaka, Japan Noah Peterson - San Antonio, TX Ezra Henderson - San Luis Obispo, CA Jah's Tin - San Francisco, CA Support the SoCal Loopfest Here: https://fundrazr.com/Loopfests Get Updated Show Info Here: http://www.socalloopfest.com Co-Sponsored By: Looping Live Magazine TC-Helicon Morley/Ebtech VoiceCouncil Magazine Pigtronix I attempted to attach a few maps to this email if you need directions \,,/ If you're in SoCal, hope to see you there this Saturday! Rejyna rejyna@msn.com 818-314-4968 Portfolio Site - rejyna.com Buy Rejyna - CDBaby.com/artist/rejyna Like Rejyna - Facebook.com/rejynamusic Listen to Rejyna - Soundcloud.com/rejyna Watch Rejyna - Youtube.com/rejyna See, Hear, Book Rejyna - Reverbnation.com/rejyna --_000_DM3PR18MB0556F12DFBCC3AFEFBFF184ACEDA0DM3PR18MB0556namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello all, just a heads u= p LOOPTOBER is Here!


OCTOBER 14th and 15th
2016 Southern California LoopFest 

California State University, Long Beach 
The Socal Loopfest is proud to be supported by the 
Bob Cole Conservatory of Music, CSULB
6200 E Atherton St, Long Bea= ch, CA 90815
562.985.4781 – Park in= Lot 12 East of the Hall

20= 16 Performers
Andre LaFosse - Los Ange= les, CA
Rejyna - Burbank CA
P◊RTRAIT @ CSU in Long Beach, CA 
Steuart Liebig - Los Angeles, CA
Dustin Carpenter - Modesto, CA
Toaster Music - Long Beach, CA
Zack Walters - Long Beach, CA
MandoMan - Osaka, Japan
Noah Peterson - San Antonio, TX
Ezra Henderson - San Luis Obispo, CA
Jah's Tin - San Francisco, CA

Support the SoCal Loopfest Here: https://fundrazr.com/Loopfests
Get Updated Show Info Here: http://www.socalloopfest.c= om
Co-Sponsored By:
Looping Live Magazine
TC-Helicon
Morley/Ebtech
VoiceCouncil Magazine
Pigtronix<= /p>


I attempted to attach a few maps to this email if you need directions \,,/<= br>
If you're in SoCal, hope to see you there this Saturday!<= /span>


Rejyna
rejyna@msn.com
818-314-4968 

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Cycling 74 has an interesting review of this = new looper vStack

https://cycling74.com/2016/10/11/project-focus-vstack/

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Jeff Blanding
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= --Apple-Mail=_73787CFA-F24A-4004-AACD-941DB13F07CE-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 13 21:27:38 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A66A14390D; Thu, 13 Oct 2016 21:27:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Luca - Unguitar Subject: how to bring loop and music content into a wine tour: NY, Philadelphia, LA and then Chicago Message-ID: <3fd58c35-669f-e569-8408-92b96e3822a4@unguitar.com> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 23:27:34 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 21:27:38 +0000 (UTC) Hi dear friends, i'll be posting this on fb as well, but of course the "real" list comes first. Starting from next Sunday October the 16th I'll be traveling in the Us through these towns with the following schedule: October NY: in 17th, out 18 Philadelphia: in 18 out 21 NY: in 21 out 24 LA: in 24 out 27 November Chicago in 7 out 11 Any chance to meet, gigs to listen to, musical advice you can share with me? thank you so much! Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 01:42:33 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05A0914390E; Mon, 17 Oct 2016 01:42:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=rVW58MBSdi5edTExBexYUVCcvZzKuhdisJIsKFRa+U0=; b=INcOgjp7ANYm6E90w+7W3NzWBDq6jU4uXppIA/Qq4DtEKuuHi7vfG9IF7i1Jr3V5GH K662U4Icr30T2D1CfE4LXPBAcaGbOa460fw81WbyO78BZq5DhuYUnHClfQ7+5nruwpfj ff+/TP6ff8bpBbBJCmERNVMoWCjNrPdtH8PJ9bDWDJ/Thtv5zzB58p0HbfzvEHuvCsX+ 4NGX3Yts0tKaSng8LrCgX8qLKCXUUgXtCRCaKz+hTNzX0H8QaV/ZcXONP5isqtKZy+pa JOdCLBo2FJT13Qn/dApDg/4CrTZWbBRDPEQkpxyE557NE6vF7d13jkpUcY7PZzvy++3B 6gsQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=rVW58MBSdi5edTExBexYUVCcvZzKuhdisJIsKFRa+U0=; b=DjSjWoiX05nAHt/PtMPqOMwFhfNhFMqorYcIaAnJ+AF15Jd9vG2VvoWL8Hts/8hOpV +6a8jfloxHKWsEB7W6K7k54qw4itX80dt+P4Rid+D403fenu0h5iPbcecl72ue2TDTyq GoLjWGpUXS3U8kyiuKwLx/CrnyGY5fF17CtItGl/TSQI867CeBC5nOhmtDc4yTdSfFoN Gm/N/fghw4sXPp6bHYCOYSpK/QpqIpofW7cYh3ZobUA4wSsWVDUouL8YVCrcqoiMOHV1 kHlxV/K6Z70XA34I7H+AeWYcgIb4dNn6V6jovAjlnW1HmwITJrQfRr5/V4HKX4OsvNl0 1SIw== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9RlMcJY1V9Dz5Qtyz5OBTI5qNH5Efe5bj7oxTmV5ebWlLKSL1HAiuF39PeClMHbZLpXQF0bR32z+IwUcmQ== X-Received: by 10.202.51.193 with SMTP id z184mr12347615oiz.9.1476668552104; Sun, 16 Oct 2016 18:42:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Josh Elliott Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 20:42:31 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Looptimus for Ableton Live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113cd3e47fd2b0053f05b09e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 01:42:33 +0000 (UTC) --001a113cd3e47fd2b0053f05b09e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I did not know this existed and wish I had know last year when I was looking for a footcontroller for Live. Looks very good to me! check it out http://loopcommunity.com/looptimus -- Josh Elliott --001a113cd3e47fd2b0053f05b09e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I did not know this existed and wish I had know last year = when I was looking for a footcontroller for Live. Looks very good to me!=C2= =A0

check it out

http://loopcommunity.com/loopt= imus
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--001a113cd3e47fd2b0053f05b09e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 02:31:13 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7650E14390C; Mon, 17 Oct 2016 02:31:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=981o4q/MoNzFmiwJlNahK2IwC9rmBEA/ZCKQW9ARy+g=; b=yl9sMt1lApQPc0uZxuLs67U5UJoVgbYWH4E5Hgvn+hp0OddlDsXK7SIhWdLTnRCWii dr6hOVH659JIydFnCy/4O0YSkFF4kkKSs+GFhM1md1GIJTV3a5QnR5hJUTFkv4twm51T F/OJjDIy5mdv6jBBxD23+r2x4HLoauzPcBqLEVzBOh6j99MMaYVBZwzm+leFtPxGdDbF u6r0iE2H3pZJ2VYRoNbKum++VGTgkd9eHNDdjqQDclknk+k+n8Qwk44IpTwiRRTlFiSC ky5TCCAAp6a1FKov0k9QA9qGYiZJ0m/5Dlkyt2xsfOLJA6YMWfujnwF8G45HkmBgoPoT buDA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=981o4q/MoNzFmiwJlNahK2IwC9rmBEA/ZCKQW9ARy+g=; b=E5Pvm7yoVDX3bYF3eyr/CiX58PXR4H1M54Fvs4pxNWpe0werIcRYHxuMitJmH8vylx uU6fenMnlDLzQ0RLx3x36mCEChb/SYLuWwAHdlOOc2oY+UYy6vPzj/69yqwj3hPkU24Z MYdYh2TV2OgM/GuctDYBcYH0ywB+Wkhrs4Kxo0Lg70jN3Ji/1jqC5vkr9jdrYTVZP4jF cXNZKSBQc1iiRZ3bvFw3MvjI5ggiB1cDATTnFcTwMVMQDJYrTd/xyckhkNTQNMGKKMll TT+83DxBg91i4rHHTcNB88Pgtw6HzO85f+RHHU1FmgpPN64lTRpZYra0uLZqFX7TJ9Zb wAPQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9Rn0AdebsFNXWDDMp/dgzDUWsmazxE/Dq5druKuRfhfkuWnyMQROtAGWWjP/KwWXzW32CrmYQCSVd4BNIg== X-Received: by 10.157.3.240 with SMTP id f103mr1219165otf.40.1476671472620; Sun, 16 Oct 2016 19:31:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Art Simon Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 19:31:12 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looptimus for Ableton Live To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c118a16935c9f053f065eb9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 02:31:13 +0000 (UTC) --94eb2c118a16935c9f053f065eb9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Very cool, I hadn't heard of it either. It sounds like it has an expression pedal input, if it had three expression pedal inputs it would be my holy grail. On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Josh Elliott wrote: > I did not know this existed and wish I had know last year when I was > looking for a footcontroller for Live. Looks very good to me! > > check it out > > http://loopcommunity.com/looptimus > -- > Josh Elliott > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com --94eb2c118a16935c9f053f065eb9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Very cool, I hadn't heard of it either. It sounds like= it has an expression pedal input, if it had three expression pedal inputs = it would be my holy grail.

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Josh Elliott <jrell= iott500@gmail.com> wrote:
<= div dir=3D"ltr">I did not know this existed and wish I had know last year w= hen I was looking for a footcontroller for Live. Looks very good to me!=C2= =A0

check it out

http://loopc= ommunity.com/looptimus
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Josh Elliott



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--94eb2c118a16935c9f053f065eb9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 02:58:58 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A551C14390E; Mon, 17 Oct 2016 02:58:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1476673137; bh=WyKTWrf9jxu+Rdymaelpwht3gEP4WWtIctMQj2XCn3w=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=EY8Wyd1Qp53L98+xQ8Ztnq3G/pWm51koizKgyTQzt4M+Ds2BYKWhH1gdBuLlWfO5JMbwUZE3JBtM53s96b+B/u9DPikGJ+DnGgl2Gb8Xu4LeJXfVc7Oc9BZttGqlYVY4R7PYX/E/44rtHhrf4UlvfnZBO2yfcW6oDMwmCb6tMbq20TBJuasj9P7AAqAzpBKtX0vZjqSgxpxQp8hSfc7gIwrzK/eC1XSf/Ip11GK+cGlwsMJysPpjsBSQgqeO3KdvvCBDA3NM70emBIwNkUFmxEFqGI+lLeBNRcwOwXR1+YoPS/093J6P6plFIyGWebFSK60m7JwbOTCZ05y9EBpMEQ== X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 504086.59786.bm@omp1065.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: tcWAD4oVM1mnitlF3FTA7APZDPXscwvrO9usY54VyzTZxo4Mbyu2JknOQaRccAk JS_Q6ohXqn3Vc2GBb6ytekpLGa5PYWjV8E_42.M1.BoE8I.ib6OPlYiFRRDKvMjE4EhjLM7PMSYb wntxvvuedK0SCpwwGYIC46a8v7sZ2OMtiPYDYabCzkuSRhCgbNoc5XpKVd6ZlmLx6h_ogPze5wti vx2oJOdKG0IZcaOEhFKsNBcFPlCKNUBVmFzgS5aw0vmKuaILFr1JmftvIhf6M3OoSxhKztUj6Rnm 3Ib4u5f5iseKfPzvPTCQAkl_krzrE29rz5JERSHgy6Erd.ALHGkA2B6p7AYHD4nPSrIgfEM.aI.8 pGQnIVZOWT.une3mHL_iXNeyFtmXchKPGehsE_xOBWKmP9oCKD_yGHa3b1XjplOksK1Ju_X.ld7m eZ2eDe4KReZPC.TEaeRK99mnEnpMXpcKm3DEnqqoJA0RmexztMEUefzmAmHI5NoohFYgd8rklmUL Vgp6cFDXV0Yt.9N4YFuhEUqUxSFPCgRTbEO2m Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 02:58:56 +0000 (UTC) From: John Tidwell Reply-To: John Tidwell To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: <612883852.887942.1476673136820@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: Looptimus for Ableton Live MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_887941_1901514003.1476673136814" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 02:58:58 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_887941_1901514003.1476673136814 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How about two expression pedal inputs? I'm considering getting one of these. Morningstar MC6 =20 | =20 | =20 | =20 | | | | | | =20 | | =20 Morningstar MC6 Midi Foot Controllers, easily programmable by you. | | | | =20 =20 On Sunday, October 16, 2016 10:31 PM, Art Simon wrot= e: =20 Very cool, I hadn't heard of it either. It sounds like it has an expressio= n pedal input, if it had three expression pedal inputs it would be my holy = grail. On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Josh Elliott wrot= e: I did not know this existed and wish I had know last year when I was lookin= g for a footcontroller for Live. Looks very good to me!=C2=A0 check it out http://loopcommunity.com/ looptimus --=20 Josh Elliott --=20 Art Simon simart@gmail.com =20 ------=_Part_887941_1901514003.1476673136814 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
How about two expression pedal inputs?<= /div>

I'm considering getting one of these.

Morningstar MC6

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Morningstar MC6

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On Sunday, October 16, 2016 10:31 PM, Art Simon <simart@gmail.co= m> wrote:


Very cool, I hadn't heard of it= either. It sounds like it has an expression pedal input, if it had three e= xpression pedal inputs it would be my holy grail.

= On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.com= > wrote:
I did not know this existed and wish I had know= last year when I was looking for a footcontroller for Live. Looks very goo= d to me! 

check it out

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Wow, that one is new to me as well. Two expression pedal i= nputs is good. It's interesting that the expander takes up one expressi= on input to give three more switches. I'd want the opposite. But the pr= ice seems good at $229. Seems like a winner to me.=C2=A0

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 7:58 P= M, John Tidwell <wedgehed@yahoo.com> wrote:
How about two expression pedal inputs?

<= span id=3D"m_-896368120119584341yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476672781022_5049">I'= ;m considering getting one of these.


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On Sunday= , October 16, 2016 10:31 PM, Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> wrote:

Very cool, I hadn't heard of it either. It sounds li= ke it has an expression pedal input, if it had three expression pedal input= s it would be my holy grail.

On = Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.com> wrote:
I did not know this existed and wish I had know last= year when I was looking for a footcontroller for Live. Looks very good to = me!=C2=A0

check it out
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--001a113ddd626ea6c6053f1a6bbc-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 21:17:00 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 645FE14390B; Wed, 26 Oct 2016 21:17:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=k12NgNk9v+cUb5ALgx9BAjCns9tx1Xm/0MaznHqVPEY=; b=oxV88Eag+2vX83zNKCMOe0++f8EQCTvxdCfKKLTipLQI3DK8I0j8TCokemGWGUjRFk 9oMqS69CTb1NudtMUeK7/8nJM4uZ7OqlW1+Hnrz9klpixyfGz9JT+bqeGRjB9jBJV+2c vlY73vmwDuMpy3v47YAPLK05KuQDF/k5DGNWy/gIkbobEDaGHe8LpupamG3xNQ0WtGxT WKFu9EiSlnIiESNHZyGVLFNAbUqxd41sxSp942m7Nqggb6W3ngPF9q+2EOb4dW1ujHtl yzdGG8hppBQQaU+W5PJZadI5j2+KS9I75ekA0X1eTAOp+LxUfAJTOMiCbmXruZFKpPdU 6nmw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=k12NgNk9v+cUb5ALgx9BAjCns9tx1Xm/0MaznHqVPEY=; b=HLT7tNygEBiyxkujcMZ8wGc809hyP59394a3dwpuMXwWy7ITy6Kxb/ckth2kpQjS0R epwDDyw1+UG28S1TkmunxMF1M08/WcK+NGLsAKEZrWcNpPyWj087EfjqlWEQ3m1yQNOI wFmnwY1wQIfXYjxvsfuOagIqXhhva5YVTKtkb0vYKiLrquq1ZVLV+gIt1XHj43T5H6mB 1PAXO/h/R5bsjyXnptv3Wx7Oq4vHE8zcmpB3Om2L9ib3/qVSewAKlhbt1QH3z8xiCAyg nkp4fDQ+ID19BazMOQ8qjmXHvVxUz9RyVEXVNXoN4e2nMQMVhPk00pMJje/GGadzhZAQ FdbQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngve4O0Hh1Hva31mPzFwdbJn81mBzGi6h83fK2DsZWKMS53dooGOSKVSjqdbJqiZJ3YkE0KGaBso6qkWcEQ== X-Received: by 10.107.31.17 with SMTP id f17mr4265575iof.5.1477516619294; Wed, 26 Oct 2016 14:16:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 14:16:58 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Fishman Tripleplay To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114041fa3e40b7053fcb258c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 21:17:00 +0000 (UTC) --001a114041fa3e40b7053fcb258c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I bought a used Tripleplay that didn't come with the software and I was wondering if anyone knew if it was possible to make sensitivity adjustments and what not without the software. The Manual seems vague to me and Fishman charges $30 to de-register the FTP so I can create an account. Any help appreciated. Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) --001a114041fa3e40b7053fcb258c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I bought a used Tripleplay that didn't come with the s= oftware and I was wondering if anyone knew if it was possible to make sensi= tivity adjustments and what not without the software.=C2=A0 The Manual seem= s vague to me and Fishman charges $30 to de-register the FTP so I can creat= e an account.

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--001a114041fa3e40b7053fcb258c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 28 18:57:20 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDC3F14390E; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 18:57:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hblnxmtascan3.hostbaby.com Message-ID: <0b62dd592ac952b2883950dfaf9dbc65.squirrel@noahpeterson.com.hostbaby.com> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 13:57:18 -0500 Subject: Video Index for the 2016 Rocky Mountain LoopFest From: "Noah Peterson" To: "Loopers-Delight" Reply-To: noah@noahpeterson.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 18:57:20 +0000 (UTC) Hey loopers, The videos for the Rocky Mountain LoopFest are posted. As always, here's the entire playlist - 26 videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwY-xVkTdqM&list=PLjiWJF83CBim4nPWYoY_1y0aQfEEF2dCw This was an interesting line-up of talent. They are largely phrase loopers with the exception of The Electric Noodle. Although Robert Matheson doesn't exactly fit nicely into either category and is always an interesting and enjoyable performer. I do hope you can watch some of all the performers as we were unable to live stream it. Here's the individuals: Thawind Mills - guitar/vocals, 4 videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcHlAuih26U&list=PLjiWJF83CBinXmDO7WYUKQ_9H1hBGuZGt Josie Quick - violin, 4 videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4ea0AiGhLs&list=PLjiWJF83CBinYWy6uLKHKTPU3SbvzcaAs The Electric Noodle - guitar, 1 video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azl77QSYBIY&list=PLjiWJF83CBim4nPWYoY_1y0aQfEEF2dCw&t=440s&index=8 Christopher Ryan - guitar/vocals/percussion, 3 videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwY-xVkTdqM&list=PLjiWJF83CBim2b8dNZCfMJT69e1ZVxDL2 Noah Peterson - sax, 3 videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwkqdb9XFFw&list=PLjiWJF83CBinvNE4LvWL2NwjrsaPU716i Subtleties - guitar/drums, 3 videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rR1gXmcTqg&list=PLjiWJF83CBimuTkhHZL7ZzxZsr1a58nbd Mister Tim - vocal, 5 videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn8Pv9l8JkI&list=PLjiWJF83CBikoFcWt5iYUDYvKn7gnFmtw Robert Matheson - bass, 4 videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCUBkTBRVK4&list=PLjiWJF83CBimWxdYMc0hrRrQSipW1LSaP I hope you enjoy the videos! Noah Peterson Entertainment, Llc 999 East Basse Road #180-117 San Antonio, TX 78209 503-703-9516 -- www.noahpeterson.com www.petersonentertainment.com