Re: Anyone here tuning guitars in fifths?

archive/latest/120630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 04:29:39 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_3BAC1FD4-AC6A-4206-92D2-0FF0CD70825E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Kay'lon! Good to hear from you. Say Hello to your parents.=20 Laurie On Mar 31, 2013, at 9:03 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > Hey guys! Haven't been here in a long time. I haven't been looping = much because of school and whatnot. Anyways, I downloaded this free = multi-sampling plugin called TX16Wx. I'm wondering whats the best way to = sample synth sounds? I need to reduce my cpu use and this might be the = most efficient way. I keep having issues with crossfading the loop = points because I get a beating/pulse sound. Is there a way to eliminate = this issue? I have to set the crossfade points manually. >=20 > --=20 > http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238 >=20 > My Music: - http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27 > - www.soundcloud.com/k3z > My Photography: http://www.flickr.com/photos/k3z/ >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_3BAC1FD4-AC6A-4206-92D2-0FF0CD70825E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Kay'lon!

Good to hear from you. Say Hello to your parents.

Laurie

On Mar 31, 2013, at 9:03 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote:

Hey guys! Haven't been here in a long time. I haven't been looping much because of school and whatnot. Anyways, I downloaded this free multi-sampling plugin called TX16Wx. I'm wondering whats the best way to sample synth sounds? I need to reduce my cpu use and this might be the most efficient way. I keep having issues with crossfading the loop points because I get a beating/pulse sound. Is there a way to eliminate this issue? I have to set the crossfade points manually.

--
http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238

My Music: - http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27
- www.soundcloud.com/k3z
My Photography: http://www.flickr.com/photos/k3z/

--Apple-Mail=_3BAC1FD4-AC6A-4206-92D2-0FF0CD70825E-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 1 12:12:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F9D31834D0; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 12:12:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=cdcuDlJbIgEIAJySxvhUNEWuC6ZNIXaSx2O7kD1N5rE=; b=teMfumk/q5hsJXHqGjWYCW1RxJ9ihjOlmRZI8Ok51Hz2RhRDmMTn9WELghEnnbVK+T kIRBzj9I3BHQzcDVcor0WkpaKeYo9cppdtuPcItRS/eDcM7alz9WhGiN5vULovfIGg1M xj8+D04NLLxwhaTrYaK/OHM1FZdfHozUphEwImkUbywnWcOcFBmDrR55gD0kCAPzu8DC jgPiRWLoeO0LVpCDIlre0T8CdOYasB3jKYScEJBip4eoQbPHQrjAsfpdSwtO9bUXACXt 6Z1tlIq8GuGYcUlw7gQgF4I7DsLVcIOtt2n8viNClfexT0cxGdqhQa58sVBpGeg22cNc OUlQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.109.145 with SMTP id j17mr8890140vcp.34.1364818341255; Mon, 01 Apr 2013 05:12:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 14:12:21 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Synth sampling From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b3a852e69e1ed04d94b880f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 12:12:21 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b3a852e69e1ed04d94b880f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Kay'lon, -- Reducing beating at sample loop point: Many samplers have a function called "smooth", "crossfade" or similar. This usually takes away the beating. Sometimes you need to set loop points manually in order to listen and find two parts of the sample that sound similar in timbre so you can place the Start Point and the Loop Point there. Sampling longer snippets can also help. But in some rare cases the opposite might be true; for example regarding plain wave forms where there is no modulation happening in the sample. In that case I personally think sampling just one or a few amplitudes of the wave form gives the best options for treating a patch with the sampler's modulation arsenal. -- Best way to sample synth sounds: This is all up to two factors: the accuracy you are aiming at and the nature of the source sound to be sampled. For the highest accuracy you should sample every half note. This will need a lot of disc space though and also large RAM on your computer for the sampler to read in a program/patch. One can listen to the synth and make decisions on maybe only sample every third half note at parts of the range where notes do not differ much. Myself I had good results with sampling every third half note for the simple reason that I am not only a syntheist but also a samplist and as a samplist you tend to like the way a sampler subtly changes the sound of a sampled synth. This especially comes through in pad sounds where there is some kind of cyclic modulation happening in the synth's source sound; when a sampled note is played back in the sampler at a different pitch such cyclic modulations will happen at a different speed and collide with the modulations of other notes in a chord, resulting in a fatter sound and more busy dynamic texture. Again, it can turn out useful if you keep in mind the possibility of turning off the synth's modulation and just sample the raw wave form in order to apply the future sampler's modulation to that. Some synth sounds rely totally on modulation, maybe an onboard filter, as a "synth efffect" and in such a case you may want to just sample, two or three "takes" of that particular effect. A full keyboard range sample program would be way over the top here. I sampled all my analog synths before selling them and used a specific application to carry out that task during a period of several hours/days. THe app was called AutoSampler but I'm not sure it still is available because Apple bought the company (and hopefully that awesome workflow will become part of Logic in the future?). Sampling a huge library manual sucks big time. There can't be enough rainy days on the planet for justifying such a boring activity. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 6:03 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > Hey guys! Haven't been here in a long time. I haven't been looping much > because of school and whatnot. Anyways, I downloaded this free > multi-sampling plugin called TX16Wx. I'm wondering whats the best way to > sample synth sounds? I need to reduce my cpu use and this might be the most > efficient way. I keep having issues with crossfading the loop > points because I get a beating/pulse sound. Is there a way > to eliminate this issue? I have to set the crossfade points manually. > > -- > http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238 > > My Music: - http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27 > - www.soundcloud.com/k3z > My Photography: http://www.flickr.com/photos/k3z/ > > > --047d7b3a852e69e1ed04d94b880f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Kay'lon,

-- Reducing beati= ng at sample loop point:=C2=A0

Many samplers have a functio= n called "smooth", "crossfade" or similar. This usually= takes away the beating. Sometimes you need to set loop points manually in = order to listen and find two parts of the sample that sound similar in timb= re so you can place the Start Point and the Loop Point there.=C2=A0

Sampling longer snippets can also help. But= in some rare cases the opposite might be true; for example regarding plain= wave forms where there is no modulation happening in the sample. In that c= ase I personally think sampling just one or a few amplitudes of the wave fo= rm gives the best options for treating a patch with the sampler's modul= ation arsenal.=C2=A0

-- Best way to sample synth sounds:

This is all up to two factors: the accuracy you are aiming at and = the nature of the source sound to be sampled. For the highest accuracy you = should sample every half note. This will need a lot of disc space though an= d also large RAM on your computer for the sampler to read in a program/patc= h. One can listen to the synth and make decisions on maybe only sample ever= y third half note at parts of the range where notes do not differ much. Mys= elf I had good results with sampling every third half note for the simple r= eason that I am not only a syntheist but also a samplist and as a samplist = you tend to like the way a sampler subtly changes the sound of a sampled sy= nth. This especially comes through in pad sounds where there is some kind o= f cyclic modulation happening in the synth's source sound; when a sampl= ed note is played back in the sampler at a different pitch such cyclic modu= lations will happen at a different speed and collide with the modulations o= f other notes in a chord, resulting in a fatter sound and more busy dynamic= texture.=C2=A0

Again, it can turn out useful if you keep i= n mind the possibility of turning off the synth's modulation and just s= ample the raw wave form in order to apply the future sampler's modulati= on to that.=C2=A0

Some synth sounds rely totally on modulatio= n, maybe an onboard filter, as a "synth efffect" and in such a ca= se you may want to just sample, two or three "takes" of that part= icular effect. A full keyboard range sample program would be way over the t= op here.=C2=A0

I sampled all my analog synths before selli= ng them and used a specific application to carry out that task during a per= iod of several hours/days. THe app was called AutoSampler but I'm not s= ure it still is available because Apple bought the company (and hopefully t= hat awesome workflow will become part of Logic in the future?). Sampling a = huge library manual sucks big time. There can't be enough rainy days on= the planet for justifying such a boring activity.=C2=A0

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen<= br>

On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 6:03 AM, kay'= lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey guys! Haven't been here in a long time. I haven't been looping = much because of school and whatnot. Anyways, I downloaded this free multi-s= ampling plugin called TX16Wx. I'm wondering whats the best way to sampl= e synth sounds? I need to reduce my cpu use and this might be the most effi= cient way. I keep having issues with crossfading the=C2=A0loop points=C2=A0= because I get a beating/pulse sound. Is there a way to=C2=A0eliminate=C2=A0= this issue? I have to set the crossfade points manually.

--
http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/31123636890423= 8

My Music: - http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 - www.soundcloud.com/k3z
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--047d7b3a852e69e1ed04d94b880f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 00:30:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 675D71834D0; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 00:30:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=FofnemNtOBDy0gFcnoXCb1lOoLZhpgWWATzr3b4A8o0=; b=YdtEJdY7J3/7NtImT74trrECfN3GB2IEoLAvl+GZeBXlRu7egABm2MRHHUc5yqUREv r7uQ9TqZDcidO31Lg2AILqIpCenHj+XwsRcxS8Q3XLefyeW5GOps7ClcYoAeNisORQMp 9Xj9HHygwjEeF5lOBNEvY5UvTijZInvhbGk7hcwDb7kYzulTNbLNYfe3oHa1dzkSYZyN VsmQsVO6gnSKqFfGl1Y1A9NZfeBiOiWBO/mcCYxrgqLMLmlvSiu0lhnQCS/Ukz5p5Lxb ZDU96xumt06YAgteJI+Vj19p46zunnbt1m1h9o4q6ZImx7U+wGWxo17YZFvQWH0TrJY6 M7Ow== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.23.115 with SMTP id l19mr9459948vdf.55.1364862603126; Mon, 01 Apr 2013 17:30:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <903EB676-DBAC-4C91-9AB5-C42879945F5B@grubmah.com> References: <903EB676-DBAC-4C91-9AB5-C42879945F5B@grubmah.com> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 17:30:03 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New Bandcamp page / Upcoming Release From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=485b39619110a06f5104d955d6cc Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 00:30:04 +0000 (UTC) --485b39619110a06f5104d955d6cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hmmm, perhaps it isn't iTunes, but IODA / The Orchard. I've been involved with a small, artist-run record label that gives the artists the lion's share of CD sale income. (However, artists pay for the manufacture of their own CDs.) I'm certain my record label is not getting anything close to $0.72 on the dollar. I'll admit to a certain amount of naivety about Bandcamp. I thought it would be a great way to sell new music, but so far I haven't seen a single download. Virtually, the only way to get your music purchased on bandcamp is if either: 1) A fan gets the URL for your page from you or your website, 2) they go to bandcamp and do a search for your name. There ARE music discovery tools on the site, but they are poorly thought out. For example, if you do a search for "experimental music", the results are flooded by artists who release very fecundly - they release every single thing they record, and every track is a separate album. (Often with artwork poached from google image search, or created in MS Paint.) There is nothing that says "If you like this, then you may like this", and the genre / keyword searches are by album, rather than by artist. So an artist with 50 albums will be half of the results you get. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com http://mattdavignon.bandcamp.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Mark Hamburg was like: > Whoa, I'm Matt Davignon and I'm all: > > > So far, the deal seems pretty good. You set your own prices. The site > takes 15% of digital sales and 10% of physical media sales. The rest goes > to the artist. (Compare this to iTunes, where the artist gets about $1 out > of a $6 download.) The artist portions go directly to your paypal account. > Rather than take 10-15% of each sale, they set it up so that most sales go > 100% to the artist, but 1/10 of the sales will go 100% to bandcamp. > > Ancient (2006) numbers, but the breakdown on iTunes used to be: > > "Currently, for a 99-cent song, 72 cents goes to the label, and 8 cents to > the publisher, leaving Apple's per-song profit margin at 19 cents per song, > he said." > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/03/AR2006030301852.html > > So, yes, Bandcamp is better for artists. > > In Apple's defense, they aren't there to serve musicians. They are there > to serve the people buying music and their focus is on making that process > work well. Bandcamp becomes yet one more place to entrust with your credit > card number. I suspect that Tower Records, when it existed, got a similar > cut. So, if it were just about the distributor cut, what Apple would > essentially be offering is a better, broader distribution channel (more > potential sales) but with a higher margin. > > On the other hand, that still leaves the musician figuring out how much of > the remaining 80% he or she can get. Apple hasn't set themselves up to deal > with independent musicians so the musician is left with record labels > serving as middle men. > > Mark > > --485b39619110a06f5104d955d6cc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmmm, perhaps it isn't iTunes, but IODA / The Orchard. I've been in= volved with a small, artist-run record label that gives the artists the lio= n's share of CD sale income. (However, artists pay for the manufacture = of their own CDs.) I'm certain my record label is not getting anything = close to $0.72 on the dollar.

I'll admit to a certain amount of naivety about Bandcamp. I thought= it would be a great way to sell new music, but so far I haven't seen a= single download. Virtually, the only way to get your music purchased on ba= ndcamp is if either: 1) A fan gets the URL for your page from you or your w= ebsite, 2) they go to bandcamp and do a search for your name.

There ARE music discovery tools on the site, but they are poorly though= t out. For example, if you do a search for "experimental music", = the results are flooded by artists who release very fecundly - they release= every single thing they record, and every track is a separate album. (Ofte= n with artwork poached from google image search, or created in MS Paint.) T= here is nothing that says "If you like this, then you may like this&qu= ot;, and the genre / keyword searches are by album, rather than by artist. = So an artist with 50 albums will be half of the results you get.

--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
http://mattdavignon.bandcamp.com
Podcast!= http://rib= osomematt.podomatic.com

On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Mark Hambu= rg <mark@grubmah.com> was like:

Whoa, I'm Matt Davignon and I'm all:

> So far, the deal seems pretty good. You set your own prices. The site = takes 15% of digital sales and 10% of physical media sales. The rest goes t= o the artist. (Compare this to iTunes, where the artist gets about $1 out o= f a $6 download.) The artist portions go directly to your paypal account. R= ather than take 10-15% of each sale, they set it up so that most sales go 1= 00% to the artist, but 1/10 of the sales will go 100% to bandcamp.

Ancient (2006) numbers, but the breakdown on iTunes used to be:

"Currently, for a 99-cent song, 72 cents goes to the label, and 8 cent= s to the publisher, leaving Apple's per-song profit margin at 19 cents = per song, he said."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy= n/content/article/2006/03/03/AR2006030301852.html

So, yes, Bandcamp is better for artists.

In Apple's defense, they aren't there to serve musicians. They are = there to serve the people buying music and their focus is on making that pr= ocess work well. Bandcamp becomes yet one more place to entrust with your c= redit card number. I suspect that Tower Records, when it existed, got a sim= ilar cut. So, if it were just about the distributor cut, what Apple would e= ssentially be offering is a better, broader distribution channel (more pote= ntial sales) but with a higher margin.

On the other hand, that still leaves the musician figuring out how much of = the remaining 80% he or she can get. Apple hasn't set themselves up to = deal with independent musicians so the musician is left with record labels = serving as middle men.

Mark

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However, before I sound like sour grapes, I still feel it's one of the better tools out there for releasing music online. I guess you just have to treat it like it's your own website, where nobody will find it unless you drive people to it. Matt On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > Hmmm, perhaps it isn't iTunes, but IODA / The Orchard. I've been involved > with a small, artist-run record label that gives the artists the lion's > share of CD sale income. (However, artists pay for the manufacture of their > own CDs.) I'm certain my record label is not getting anything close to > $0.72 on the dollar. > > I'll admit to a certain amount of naivety about Bandcamp. I thought it > would be a great way to sell new music, but so far I haven't seen a single > download. Virtually, the only way to get your music purchased on bandcamp > is if either: 1) A fan gets the URL for your page from you or your website, > 2) they go to bandcamp and do a search for your name. > > There ARE music discovery tools on the site, but they are poorly thought > out. For example, if you do a search for "experimental music", the results > are flooded by artists who release very fecundly - they release every > single thing they record, and every track is a separate album. (Often with > artwork poached from google image search, or created in MS Paint.) There is > nothing that says "If you like this, then you may like this", and the genre > / keyword searches are by album, rather than by artist. So an artist with > 50 albums will be half of the results you get. > > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > http://mattdavignon.bandcamp.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > > On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Mark Hamburg was > like: > >> Whoa, I'm Matt Davignon and I'm all: >> >> >> > So far, the deal seems pretty good. You set your own prices. The site >> takes 15% of digital sales and 10% of physical media sales. The rest goes >> to the artist. (Compare this to iTunes, where the artist gets about $1 out >> of a $6 download.) The artist portions go directly to your paypal account. >> Rather than take 10-15% of each sale, they set it up so that most sales go >> 100% to the artist, but 1/10 of the sales will go 100% to bandcamp. >> >> Ancient (2006) numbers, but the breakdown on iTunes used to be: >> >> "Currently, for a 99-cent song, 72 cents goes to the label, and 8 cents >> to the publisher, leaving Apple's per-song profit margin at 19 cents per >> song, he said." >> >> >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/03/AR2006030301852.html >> >> So, yes, Bandcamp is better for artists. >> >> In Apple's defense, they aren't there to serve musicians. They are there >> to serve the people buying music and their focus is on making that process >> work well. Bandcamp becomes yet one more place to entrust with your credit >> card number. I suspect that Tower Records, when it existed, got a similar >> cut. So, if it were just about the distributor cut, what Apple would >> essentially be offering is a better, broader distribution channel (more >> potential sales) but with a higher margin. >> >> On the other hand, that still leaves the musician figuring out how much >> of the remaining 80% he or she can get. Apple hasn't set themselves up to >> deal with independent musicians so the musician is left with record labels >> serving as middle men. >> >> Mark >> >> > > > > -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com http://mattdavignon.bandcamp.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com --bcaec54d448ae211c104d955dcd9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (talking to myself)....

However, before I sound like sour grapes, I = still feel it's one of the better tools out there for releasing music o= nline. I guess you just have to treat it like it's your own website, wh= ere nobody will find it unless you drive people to it.

Matt

On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 5:30 PM, = Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:
Hmmm, perhaps it isn't iTunes, but IODA / The Orchard. I've been in= volved with a small, artist-run record label that gives the artists the lio= n's share of CD sale income. (However, artists pay for the manufacture = of their own CDs.) I'm certain my record label is not getting anything = close to $0.72 on the dollar.

I'll admit to a certain amount of naivety about Bandcamp. I thought= it would be a great way to sell new music, but so far I haven't seen a= single download. Virtually, the only way to get your music purchased on ba= ndcamp is if either: 1) A fan gets the URL for your page from you or your w= ebsite, 2) they go to bandcamp and do a search for your name.

There ARE music discovery tools on the site, but they are poorly though= t out. For example, if you do a search for "experimental music", = the results are flooded by artists who release very fecundly - they release= every single thing they record, and every track is a separate album. (Ofte= n with artwork poached from google image search, or created in MS Paint.) T= here is nothing that says "If you like this, then you may like this&qu= ot;, and the genre / keyword searches are by album, rather than by artist. = So an artist with 50 albums will be half of the results you get.

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mattdavignon@gmail.com
http://mattdavignon.bandcamp.com
Podcast!= http://rib= osomematt.podomatic.com

On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Mark= Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com> was like:

Whoa, I'm Matt Davignon and I'm all:

> So far, the deal seems pretty good. You set your own prices. The site = takes 15% of digital sales and 10% of physical media sales. The rest goes t= o the artist. (Compare this to iTunes, where the artist gets about $1 out o= f a $6 download.) The artist portions go directly to your paypal account. R= ather than take 10-15% of each sale, they set it up so that most sales go 1= 00% to the artist, but 1/10 of the sales will go 100% to bandcamp.

Ancient (2006) numbers, but the br= eakdown on iTunes used to be:

"Currently, for a 99-cent song, 72 cents goes to the label, and 8 cent= s to the publisher, leaving Apple's per-song profit margin at 19 cents = per song, he said."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy= n/content/article/2006/03/03/AR2006030301852.html

So, yes, Bandcamp is better for artists.

In Apple's defense, they aren't there to serve musicians. They are = there to serve the people buying music and their focus is on making that pr= ocess work well. Bandcamp becomes yet one more place to entrust with your c= redit card number. I suspect that Tower Records, when it existed, got a sim= ilar cut. So, if it were just about the distributor cut, what Apple would e= ssentially be offering is a better, broader distribution channel (more pote= ntial sales) but with a higher margin.

On the other hand, that still leaves the musician figuring out how much of = the remaining 80% he or she can get. Apple hasn't set themselves up to = deal with independent musicians so the musician is left with record labels = serving as middle men.

Mark

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= --_3981824e-374a-4d6c-9a79-78f695c585db_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 03:29:54 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3406183514; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 03:29:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-EIP: [Z/NtYuVSQRtb6yF0vNBkI8zYuNUe+gag] X-Originating-Email: [apacheci5@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_82f7c8cc-56ff-4259-a874-c583c12124c1_" From: kelly maxwell To: Subject: RE: unsubscribe Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 03:29:53 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2013 03:29:53.0706 (UTC) FILETIME=[573248A0:01CE2F52] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 03:29:54 +0000 (UTC) --_82f7c8cc-56ff-4259-a874-c583c12124c1_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable r.i.p. ...... i praise what he did...........continual thanks From: tedkillian@charter.net Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Mon=2C 1 Apr 2013 20:25:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Dear Rick Reed=2C This list has no moderator per se=2C nor is there anyone who can unsubscrib= e you. The fellow who started it all passed away a year or two back. The instructions for getting yourself unsubscribed are as follows and come = from the FAQ section of the Loopers Delight website: To unsubscribe=2C send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject= and body=2C and no sig files or anything else=2C to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight=2C send your unsubscri= be request to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list=2C or people will make fun = of you and you will feel like a dork. On Apr 1=2C 2013=2C at 8:09 PM=2C rick reed wrote: unsubscribe me=20 = --_82f7c8cc-56ff-4259-a874-c583c12124c1_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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From: tedkillian@charter.net
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= Dear Rick Reed=2C

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= --_82f7c8cc-56ff-4259-a874-c583c12124c1_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 03:34:45 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C556B183513; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 03:34:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to :to:references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=GhWrje9jYEOl74jBtSaA3cQd8tjVNFLe0o2eGQ3C91E=; b=M7IR40K7hFlZQoy65maMjYNchXuHvogXakPnRz6J7KQHPAIqYU3uhm+c+ux+OtmgVf vaLXvf5jiIT9wJTqSEqAEmABOIgMKWYMYs5O33QZDSxnm956E/CHYzA0pYsdhuYD6b4c Y1dBZ1U29+XhWg5vHVFAC0whMuuGXCSG6DZ729M7XBO618ZTEQeyYOMFw/u/d/2vRWBi kR598zghlDFKgTpSjK3kbf8uzINb46VH6AYTySuEWJKCvg9xtjKX0QKsQshv4YHLkOWF VKGNQkcshjYhqMU5siYbxvDEqkAc5ynBnwAeVDLAYlG3s+VTu59Qit7TF0dXPWyDm2jS Nqsg== X-Received: by 10.49.61.226 with SMTP id t2mr16372997qer.40.1364873685299; Mon, 01 Apr 2013 20:34:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthias Grob Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-198-19423205 Subject: Re: Any news on the LP1? Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 00:34:39 -0300 In-Reply-To: <51589E46.8070709@gmail.com> To: Loop List References: <5080839B.2090008@pobox.com> <5081B515.2030303@cruzio.com> <51589E46.8070709@gmail.com> Message-Id: <73115862-D154-4B4B-B7D3-C2C6B605E81A@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 03:34:45 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-198-19423205 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am trying to find him for weeks, with all kinds of information that = would be interesting for him. he also still did not fix the noise of the LP2 of my swiss friend I suppose he has some bigger problem :-( On 31.03.2013, at 17:36, 7stringjazz wrote: > Sooo, here we are 5 months later. Any news on firmware updates? Any = new sightings of Bob himself? Lol.=20 >=20 > On 10/22/2012 11:40 PM, MasterMuso wrote: >> In addition to the new 1.4 software, Bob suggested that there is also = a planned firmware upgrade. Any news on that, Rick? >=20 --Apple-Mail-198-19423205 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I am trying to find him for weeks, with all kinds of information that would be interesting for him.

he also still did not fix the noise of the LP2 of my swiss friend

I suppose he has some bigger problem :-(

On 31.03.2013, at 17:36, 7stringjazz wrote:

Sooo, here we are 5 months later. Any news on firmware updates? Any new sightings of Bob himself? Lol.

On 10/22/2012 11:40 PM, MasterMuso wrote:

In addition to the new 1.4 software, Bob suggested that there is also a planned firmware upgrade. Any news on that, Rick?

--Apple-Mail-198-19423205-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 04:05:10 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 018D718351F; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 04:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=xdKekKKkOyVQMbxg9FfdaMiD+WVZ3YwEyJ5UCElWy6o=; b=sMrMnXrv6ySP7AyjXKiDcT0c/fBFLVTt1Lm/abDHdmJavJlsKVMaFfiMz2SQJaRHNE 7GjmZAD1TZIyntkaKZBcxh9PyCOy0mST2M+7tN2OFAqBoXSCU9BW16HQvcAURcYZTum7 ohnKsQ0wbgEdKSIBYnbDhdnymS7b+W5cnhZYqbkW9AAYn+fu5Q3AA0KfAM3IWi6TRFaj M6kv3WFQRHXOaGk0cDIG9Qc4MjrLs3lxW/uM8lgg3YXwBIAWaoSaH+RUJMzMvEx/BAq3 dvpSYWZom97MkvmC4qeS4Z9cVoXTSPEFIw4PfDpTcOr5qkQy8MdoRuOl4O7Esp3E2iEJ Kv/w== X-Received: by 10.50.45.166 with SMTP id o6mr4655353igm.78.1364875509196; Mon, 01 Apr 2013 21:05:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References:

From: Mr Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 01:04:46 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340357e37aac04d958d7a8 Resent-Message-ID: <-EwWQB.A.JmF.1jlWRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 04:05:09 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340357e37aac04d958d7a8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 unsuscribe him!!! 2013/4/2 kelly maxwell > r.i.p. ...... i praise what he did...........continual thanks > > ------------------------------ > From: tedkillian@charter.net > Subject: Re: unsubscribe > Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 20:25:08 -0700 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Dear Rick Reed, > > This list has no moderator per se, nor is there anyone who can unsubscribe > you. > > The fellow who started it all passed away a year or two back. > > The instructions for getting yourself unsubscribed are as follows and come > from the FAQ section of the Loopers Delight website: > > To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject > and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: > > Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your > unsubscribe request to: > > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com > > Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or people will make fun > of you and you will feel like a dork. > > > On Apr 1, 2013, at 8:09 PM, rick reed wrote: > > unsubscribe me > > > --14dae9340357e37aac04d958d7a8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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From: tedkillian@charter.net
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Dea= r Rick Reed,

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--14dae9340357e37aac04d958d7a8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 16:33:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DFCD183518; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 16:33:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=CotfSz2XtXBYgtuZxn7KQkA6Qm+qWdzU2yofpaVF75Q=; b=ZgyGEIZe/ozGkAtcwUF4sBa4gtBF2iBXE/7QGmhxQ3tL9L+GkObAYRNzxsuz+oCtpb on6pICP9f+4nzoivIPfZHJvXnpvVe5Q5NwZLjM/XJ1zItxkkCIPP+M8E1FZdgIelYAAE R7I6XCiMOyvs/EnvNi4RJ4/kUPn9LRBIF0X9wWipArk0saik5C0iK8W6VLkZ+TH3q7sS oygyOXqnPF2HhHkUMuyc6xJ8+bktpHLqTGhib3XCl6N7RjMDpS0hvHprlrk9juLu9LJD n4dDSfX0AJ5u/24aKqqfZC/fuH7zuyH/eOYp8VwBLFxa63aNXtI/Tstw+VI+lmd1qRn/ ik7Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.136.138 with SMTP id qa10mr5452335igb.74.1364920434574; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 09:33:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 09:33:54 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Synth sampling From: "kay'lon rushing" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013a26d8a6ac9904d9634d98 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 16:33:55 +0000 (UTC) --089e013a26d8a6ac9904d9634d98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Per! I know about the crossfade feature, but the sampler vst I try to use it with doesn't seem like the most useful crossfade parameters. It has no smoothing features and you have to set the cross-fade manually for each sample. Any advised on being time efficient with manual sampling? On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 5:12 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi Kay'lon, > > -- Reducing beating at sample loop point: > Many samplers have a function called "smooth", "crossfade" or similar. > This usually takes away the beating. Sometimes you need to set loop points > manually in order to listen and find two parts of the sample that sound > similar in timbre so you can place the Start Point and the Loop Point > there. > > Sampling longer snippets can also help. But in some rare cases the > opposite might be true; for example regarding plain wave forms where there > is no modulation happening in the sample. In that case I personally think > sampling just one or a few amplitudes of the wave form gives the best > options for treating a patch with the sampler's modulation arsenal. > > -- Best way to sample synth sounds: > This is all up to two factors: the accuracy you are aiming at and the > nature of the source sound to be sampled. For the highest accuracy you > should sample every half note. This will need a lot of disc space though > and also large RAM on your computer for the sampler to read in a > program/patch. One can listen to the synth and make decisions on maybe only > sample every third half note at parts of the range where notes do not > differ much. Myself I had good results with sampling every third half note > for the simple reason that I am not only a syntheist but also a samplist > and as a samplist you tend to like the way a sampler subtly changes the > sound of a sampled synth. This especially comes through in pad sounds where > there is some kind of cyclic modulation happening in the synth's source > sound; when a sampled note is played back in the sampler at a different > pitch such cyclic modulations will happen at a different speed and collide > with the modulations of other notes in a chord, resulting in a fatter sound > and more busy dynamic texture. > > Again, it can turn out useful if you keep in mind the possibility of > turning off the synth's modulation and just sample the raw wave form in > order to apply the future sampler's modulation to that. > > Some synth sounds rely totally on modulation, maybe an onboard filter, as > a "synth efffect" and in such a case you may want to just sample, two or > three "takes" of that particular effect. A full keyboard range sample > program would be way over the top here. > > I sampled all my analog synths before selling them and used a specific > application to carry out that task during a period of several hours/days. > THe app was called AutoSampler but I'm not sure it still is available > because Apple bought the company (and hopefully that awesome workflow will > become part of Logic in the future?). Sampling a huge library manual sucks > big time. There can't be enough rainy days on the planet for justifying > such a boring activity. > > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 6:03 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > >> Hey guys! Haven't been here in a long time. I haven't been looping much >> because of school and whatnot. Anyways, I downloaded this free >> multi-sampling plugin called TX16Wx. I'm wondering whats the best way to >> sample synth sounds? I need to reduce my cpu use and this might be the most >> efficient way. I keep having issues with crossfading the loop >> points because I get a beating/pulse sound. Is there a way >> to eliminate this issue? I have to set the crossfade points manually. >> >> -- >> http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238 >> >> My Music: - http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27 >> - www.soundcloud.com/k3z >> My Photography: http://www.flickr.com/photos/k3z/ >> >> >> > -- http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238 My Music: - http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27 - www.soundcloud.com/k3z My Photography: http://www.flickr.com/photos/k3z/ --089e013a26d8a6ac9904d9634d98 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks Per! I know about the crossfade feature, but the sa= mpler vst I try to use it with doesn't seem like the most useful crossf= ade parameters. It has no smoothing features and you have to set the cross-= fade manually for each sample. Any advised on being time efficient with man= ual sampling?

On Mon,= Apr 1, 2013 at 5:12 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> = wrote:

Hi Kay'lon,

-- Reducing beating at sample loop point:=A0
Many sampler= s have a function called "smooth", "crossfade" or simil= ar. This usually takes away the beating. Sometimes you need to set loop poi= nts manually in order to listen and find two parts of the sample that sound= similar in timbre so you can place the Start Point and the Loop Point ther= e.=A0

Sampling longer snippets can also help. But in some rar= e cases the opposite might be true; for example regarding plain wave forms = where there is no modulation happening in the sample. In that case I person= ally think sampling just one or a few amplitudes of the wave form gives the= best options for treating a patch with the sampler's modulation arsena= l.=A0

-- Best way to sample synth sounds:
This is a= ll up to two factors: the accuracy you are aiming at and the nature of the = source sound to be sampled. For the highest accuracy you should sample ever= y half note. This will need a lot of disc space though and also large RAM o= n your computer for the sampler to read in a program/patch. One can listen = to the synth and make decisions on maybe only sample every third half note = at parts of the range where notes do not differ much. Myself I had good res= ults with sampling every third half note for the simple reason that I am no= t only a syntheist but also a samplist and as a samplist you tend to like t= he way a sampler subtly changes the sound of a sampled synth. This especial= ly comes through in pad sounds where there is some kind of cyclic modulatio= n happening in the synth's source sound; when a sampled note is played = back in the sampler at a different pitch such cyclic modulations will happe= n at a different speed and collide with the modulations of other notes in a= chord, resulting in a fatter sound and more busy dynamic texture.=A0

Again, it can turn out useful if you keep in mind the p= ossibility of turning off the synth's modulation and just sample the ra= w wave form in order to apply the future sampler's modulation to that.= =A0

Some synth sounds rely totally on modulation, maybe an = onboard filter, as a "synth efffect" and in such a case you may w= ant to just sample, two or three "takes" of that particular effec= t. A full keyboard range sample program would be way over the top here.=A0<= /div>

I sampled all my analog synths before selling them and = used a specific application to carry out that task during a period of sever= al hours/days. THe app was called AutoSampler but I'm not sure it still= is available because Apple bought the company (and hopefully that awesome = workflow will become part of Logic in the future?). Sampling a huge library= manual sucks big time. There can't be enough rainy days on the planet = for justifying such a boring activity.=A0

Gree= tings from Sweden

Per= Boysen
www.perbo= ysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen

On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 6:03 AM, kay'= lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey guys! Haven't been here in a long time. I haven't been looping = much because of school and whatnot. Anyways, I downloaded this free multi-s= ampling plugin called TX16Wx. I'm wondering whats the best way to sampl= e synth sounds? I need to reduce my cpu use and this might be the most effi= cient way. I keep having issues with crossfading the=A0loop points=A0becaus= e I get a beating/pulse sound. Is there a way to=A0eliminate=A0this issue? = I have to set the crossfade points manually.<= br clear=3D"all">

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My Music: - http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0 - www.soundcloud.com/k3z
My Photogra= phy: http:/= /www.flickr.com/photos/k3z/

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--089e013a26d8a6ac9904d9634d98-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 20:22:15 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 110A3183516; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 20:22:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=1Ur5U6XulSy5VdZJrbt4TvsT3wknxRjsRBuoJOxHAM0=; b=TayvVPi+bVAmauJoX8X6Pm+P7mnZlK/DJBd4/t9xc5jfpKCdZlMiDwH5FvGk6+3dN7 B/7Cn2qVkntdWLuQMTrI3HRUaAtECMixQsf3y/IPmU1tLIuB4fcaKPXePXSJLapga/sy zW/HPbS1QU7D4MhVv/FGCvtJHfOVb9wKRSReEl5ucaXD21espR1L1VfSByVbSBdxgRtu E5LDk2VTMDWG+i0n3HL/Rxb/D6UWrgrIGWjYAPuE6CD2F2fLnaH9nSuN2z1jljKfJ8OA VJQBPzlauq7IB2Ar0rQfx0/p767Lfzo8XJFHvaF63rMjypJDsLFomxbDgm+8gRww/bg/ TM/g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.39.80 with SMTP id f16mr15536680qae.11.1364934134377; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 13:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 22:22:14 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Mobius` Input ports in Ableton From: jannis kempkens To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3074d35838cfaf04d9667e63 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 20:22:14 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3074d35838cfaf04d9667e63 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey guys, I have a question and tried figuring it out off the web, but couldn=B4t fin= d it anywhere so i thought i=B4d ask you. I am using Mobius 2 as a plugin in Abelton Live 8. I set up ableton with 4 tracks, which i want to use as inputs for mobius. I set the Tracks "Audio to" to my Ableton Mobius track and then want to specify the Input Ports, so that I can use a different Mobius track for each instrument. The Problem that ableton=B4s fold out menu only gives me 3 inputs to choose= . They are called "Left In 2/- Mobius 2", "Left In 3/- Mobius 2" and "Left In 4/- Mobius 2". (Also the given Outputs are called "Left Out 2/- Mobius 2" etc. -up to "Left Out 8") Does this "Left" thingy mean anything? And why can=B4t i get more than 3 Inputs? I always thought Mobius had 8 Inputs and 8 Outputs? Hope this is not too confusing. If so, let me know. I can take screenshots, or what ever might help. I am very thankful for any help. I=B4m pretty desperate over here... Thanks already! Cheers, Jannis --20cf3074d35838cfaf04d9667e63 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey guys,

I have a question and tried figuring it out = off the web, but couldn=B4t find it anywhere so i thought i=B4d ask you.

I am using Mobius 2 as a plugin in Abelton Live 8.

I set = up ableton with 4 tracks, which i want to use as inputs for mobius. I set t= he Tracks "Audio to" to my Ableton Mobius track and then want to = specify the Input Ports, so that I can use a different Mobius track for eac= h instrument.

The Problem that ableton=B4s fold out menu only gives me 3 inputs to c= hoose. They are called "Left In 2/- Mobius 2", "Left In 3/- = Mobius 2" and "Left In 4/- Mobius 2".

(Also the gi= ven Outputs are called "Left Out 2/- Mobius 2" etc. -up to "= Left Out 8")

Does this "Left" thingy mean anything? And why can=B4t i get= more than 3 Inputs?

I always thought Mobius had 8 Inputs and 8 O= utputs?

Hope this is not too confusing. If so, let= me know. I can take screenshots, or what ever might help. I am very thankf= ul for any help. I=B4m pretty desperate over here...

Thanks already!

Cheers,

Jannis

--20cf3074d35838cfaf04d9667e63-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 22:02:40 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6508B183516; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 22:02:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=iilvdaED3vjP5Kw65PMPXaIntqaQCeAHQd2snRLd9qs=; b=NRL8I+K7mHQTNCHp9KbRwydfm92e8D0/mDUrP/dat9TZ/wOK93JrGk4sTMXxpL9wKa mgHBpJXH7jAHWsOlzCOcq6bNMKxt40jjVuucZJb+R4sCxb7C9T4rJVTtN7nxevbOZYG9 xzhTkK79wVVSU4TYSYoOknSmD5s0lwXTqMHIz2Qx4Qsc81xAVq/pVKKsF0Gp+7R0kCdz ThTxBQUukjXWheKyhTlAZS2EFQWMfkOjkLISCpc+ZCpASHRDuhHSsMoGjvcp5ka5U0bg wQtxVFH12xSiWVUacJOifM8u8QWC0Z95MVoc0E5V8dLK6MTnT2hI5QHpJa8EER4IrXWX DnLQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.110.205 with SMTP id o13mr14368990vcp.22.1364940159661; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 15:02:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 00:02:39 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius` Input ports in Ableton From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 22:02:40 +0000 (UTC) I remember the numbering of the Mobius inputs in Live is a bit messed up so you may have to try out all options and see what happens in order to find what is what :-) Sorry, that I don't remember the details here.... but you've got the stuff there, so just go through all options logically to find out. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 10:22 PM, jannis kempkens wrote: > Hey guys, > I have a question and tried figuring it out off the web, but couldn=C2=B4= t find > it anywhere so i thought i=C2=B4d ask you. > I am using Mobius 2 as a plugin in Abelton Live 8. > I set up ableton with 4 tracks, which i want to use as inputs for mobius.= I > set the Tracks "Audio to" to my Ableton Mobius track and then want to > specify the Input Ports, so that I can use a different Mobius track for e= ach > instrument. > The Problem that ableton=C2=B4s fold out menu only gives me 3 inputs to c= hoose. > They are called "Left In 2/- Mobius 2", "Left In 3/- Mobius 2" and "Left = In > 4/- Mobius 2". > (Also the given Outputs are called "Left Out 2/- Mobius 2" etc. -up to "L= eft > Out 8") > Does this "Left" thingy mean anything? And why can=C2=B4t i get more than= 3 > Inputs? > I always thought Mobius had 8 Inputs and 8 Outputs? > > Hope this is not too confusing. If so, let me know. I can take screenshot= s, > or what ever might help. I am very thankful for any help. I=C2=B4m pretty > desperate over here... > > Thanks already! > Cheers, > Jannis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 22:05:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8858718351C; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 22:05:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=HocQb/nLccc2UwlYjuVqXzsAdXFTd291SYksAxvZZ4I=; b=At1KeyES9+ZGHy09fkt9IbkFDSAHuMiyxy4E5Y3YBAez7FGNLHfzJDn8bSN1gJ7wJL 7w0D6eXz0VrRDyrn+Tkr/yeD1l4HDRs/wf8z+A7i0rOi5V9n0FdaR/DrJ1s8vxDMerky 5graMccbEuaseDex91PHn1o6R8Bey1yXVlEhQwiTAuR2YvMtrvMbDRL8gE3FzY/WwZLI kmjlJgcl786K7sXHzHh8AAeSRckgI6eln9fQRDa5x+BJ0qofm296y4roZabW4BENcYew I6wmbaUvdgbQ3rM299jA/+EdkTYukUZEoW9W7pvOi6MdvfvFMl1tdzdo67Z7ylnqtMGS LPxg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.193.129 with SMTP id ho1mr5883526igc.94.1364940334558; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 15:05:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 15:05:34 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius` Input ports in Ableton From: Todd Elliott To: "loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9341089c7fd5f04d967ef51 Resent-Message-ID: <5tVNqB.A.8tE.vY1WRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 22:05:35 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9341089c7fd5f04d967ef51 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't have live in front of me, but there are options to turn inputs on and off in preferences/audio. It sounds like you don't have those enabled. On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 1:22 PM, jannis kempkens < jannis.kempkens@googlemail.com> wrote: > Hey guys, > I have a question and tried figuring it out off the web, but couldn=B4t f= ind > it anywhere so i thought i=B4d ask you. > I am using Mobius 2 as a plugin in Abelton Live 8. > I set up ableton with 4 tracks, which i want to use as inputs for mobius. > I set the Tracks "Audio to" to my Ableton Mobius track and then want to > specify the Input Ports, so that I can use a different Mobius track for > each instrument. > The Problem that ableton=B4s fold out menu only gives me 3 inputs to choo= se. > They are called "Left In 2/- Mobius 2", "Left In 3/- Mobius 2" and "Left = In > 4/- Mobius 2". > (Also the given Outputs are called "Left Out 2/- Mobius 2" etc. -up to > "Left Out 8") > Does this "Left" thingy mean anything? And why can=B4t i get more than 3 > Inputs? > I always thought Mobius had 8 Inputs and 8 Outputs? > > Hope this is not too confusing. If so, let me know. I can take > screenshots, or what ever might help. I am very thankful for any help. I= =B4m > pretty desperate over here... > > Thanks already! > Cheers, > Jannis > --=20 http://toaster.bandcamp.com --14dae9341089c7fd5f04d967ef51 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't have live in front of me, but there are option= s to turn inputs on and off in preferences/audio. It sounds like you don= 9;t have those enabled.

On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 1:22 PM, jannis kempkens <jannis.kempk= ens@googlemail.com> wrote:

Hey guys,
I have a question and tried figuring it out = off the web, but couldn=B4t find it anywhere so i thought i=B4d ask you.
I am using Mobius 2 as a plugin in Abelton Live 8.
I set = up ableton with 4 tracks, which i want to use as inputs for mobius. I set t= he Tracks "Audio to" to my Ableton Mobius track and then want to = specify the Input Ports, so that I can use a different Mobius track for eac= h instrument.

The Problem that ableton=B4s fold out menu only gives me 3 inputs to c= hoose. They are called "Left In 2/- Mobius 2", "Left In 3/- = Mobius 2" and "Left In 4/- Mobius 2".
(Also the gi= ven Outputs are called "Left Out 2/- Mobius 2" etc. -up to "= Left Out 8")

Does this "Left" thingy mean anything? And why can=B4t i get= more than 3 Inputs?
I always thought Mobius had 8 Inputs and 8 O= utputs?

Hope this is not too confusing. If so, let= me know. I can take screenshots, or what ever might help. I am very thankf= ul for any help. I=B4m pretty desperate over here...

Thanks already!
Cheers,
Jannis

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--14dae9341089c7fd5f04d967ef51-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 22:11:48 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECC4318351D; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 22:11:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=oiqTzKwd7+E7PGMfBeU9SR+Jc4pf4IVFqwVaH2uNokQ=; b=C3bT4V5MRCRFFZtky3E1ZoBrtECYK7kAMwQLTNQlb33IylrJABUWBL6/dqO9CUeyLi 9Ffr4rqLh/b9+jemkuH0uXfw2GEL+CvaQhChJUz3iI3lCQDBBQY48gWsj8VK372aNe7L qczfZR8OQwvV4OY8bnwcpO+UuxjSKUqzKyEPeAb/9+R0+vX/q/bvoWH24C7kZQ08ojZ+ iCzT2wXUEW2FcD96xFl/NMwpQTuzs5kMVxBCRIh/dxyl7f/O72UWI7HQsfayW/xx+E24 66ArViXI2t5AH82niTQZ4b36dswSbit45EmvwubzZ66iwB0s9PpJUkbLJYIPHfzoySDc OzYQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.50.7 with SMTP id y7mr14306026ven.24.1364940707163; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 15:11:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 00:11:47 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius` Input ports in Ableton From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 22:11:47 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Todd Elliott wrote: > I don't have live in front of me, but there are options to turn inputs on > and off in preferences/audio. It sounds like you don't have those enabled. "Mobius / Global Parameters / Limits / Plugin Ports". (set the number for how many ports the plugin will show Ableton Live) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 02:12:11 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8978183517; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 02:12:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=PWfqTDbdtDEmShotpdYnwqIn76qfRGRLPA3MX9c/1XE=; b=XT97w2Y3hsDwpkeXmbm/h5nzitcy9yoC1oJNoJmRXBKzX8qSx5Ei3pDYyo9FvnlCVM Sk+KajUcO/T2899mz5GotVM3IMwyiUgqZ9GhfgumrfS+MTrarmLOArvWegyhgdJU6QxK 10OXFHEJZqB70+mdQK1t2W0JWgte80OjTT74eKsnNRYuC9WZBDr5x7QtXlKj6YUJBGAJ VWo1a3C48nBRcqWWDyAZBovDnV3Bt8NFgg5Ow6ayS/EddEBwb8YBuWcDu/QmdkIktbUF eYMVfYuRAcqDKcW1MHZNQk1R2fH7mUl2bJPRk4FkWI59SvghAG20KHd5EujruFDL+o4n xyvg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.136.138 with SMTP id qa10mr6198197igb.74.1364955131027; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 19:12:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 19:12:10 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Synth sampling From: "kay'lon rushing" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013a26d8b8295b04d96b6113 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 02:12:11 +0000 (UTC) --089e013a26d8b8295b04d96b6113 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Im wondering what if I used a compressor on the sampler to even out the volume change that results from the crossfade point would that do any justice? On Apr 2, 2013 9:33 AM, "kay'lon rushing" wrote: > Thanks Per! I know about the crossfade feature, but the sampler vst I try > to use it with doesn't seem like the most useful crossfade parameters. It > has no smoothing features and you have to set the cross-fade manually for > each sample. Any advised on being time efficient with manual sampling? > > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 5:12 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> Hi Kay'lon, >> >> -- Reducing beating at sample loop point: >> Many samplers have a function called "smooth", "crossfade" or similar. >> This usually takes away the beating. Sometimes you need to set loop points >> manually in order to listen and find two parts of the sample that sound >> similar in timbre so you can place the Start Point and the Loop Point >> there. >> >> Sampling longer snippets can also help. But in some rare cases the >> opposite might be true; for example regarding plain wave forms where there >> is no modulation happening in the sample. In that case I personally think >> sampling just one or a few amplitudes of the wave form gives the best >> options for treating a patch with the sampler's modulation arsenal. >> >> -- Best way to sample synth sounds: >> This is all up to two factors: the accuracy you are aiming at and the >> nature of the source sound to be sampled. For the highest accuracy you >> should sample every half note. This will need a lot of disc space though >> and also large RAM on your computer for the sampler to read in a >> program/patch. One can listen to the synth and make decisions on maybe only >> sample every third half note at parts of the range where notes do not >> differ much. Myself I had good results with sampling every third half note >> for the simple reason that I am not only a syntheist but also a samplist >> and as a samplist you tend to like the way a sampler subtly changes the >> sound of a sampled synth. This especially comes through in pad sounds where >> there is some kind of cyclic modulation happening in the synth's source >> sound; when a sampled note is played back in the sampler at a different >> pitch such cyclic modulations will happen at a different speed and collide >> with the modulations of other notes in a chord, resulting in a fatter sound >> and more busy dynamic texture. >> >> Again, it can turn out useful if you keep in mind the possibility of >> turning off the synth's modulation and just sample the raw wave form in >> order to apply the future sampler's modulation to that. >> >> Some synth sounds rely totally on modulation, maybe an onboard filter, as >> a "synth efffect" and in such a case you may want to just sample, two or >> three "takes" of that particular effect. A full keyboard range sample >> program would be way over the top here. >> >> I sampled all my analog synths before selling them and used a specific >> application to carry out that task during a period of several hours/days. >> THe app was called AutoSampler but I'm not sure it still is available >> because Apple bought the company (and hopefully that awesome workflow will >> become part of Logic in the future?). Sampling a huge library manual sucks >> big time. There can't be enough rainy days on the planet for justifying >> such a boring activity. >> >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 6:03 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: >> >>> Hey guys! Haven't been here in a long time. I haven't been looping much >>> because of school and whatnot. Anyways, I downloaded this free >>> multi-sampling plugin called TX16Wx. I'm wondering whats the best way to >>> sample synth sounds? I need to reduce my cpu use and this might be the most >>> efficient way. I keep having issues with crossfading the loop >>> points because I get a beating/pulse sound. Is there a way >>> to eliminate this issue? I have to set the crossfade points manually. >>> >>> -- >>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238 >>> >>> My Music: - http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27 >>> - www.soundcloud.com/k3z >>> My Photography: http://www.flickr.com/photos/k3z/ >>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- > http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238 > > My Music: - http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27 > - www.soundcloud.com/k3z > My Photography: http://www.flickr.com/photos/k3z/ > > > --089e013a26d8b8295b04d96b6113 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Im wondering what if I used a compressor on the sampler to even out the = volume change that results from the crossfade point would that do any justi= ce?

On Apr 2, 2013 9:33 AM, "kay'lon rushin= g" <k3zz21@gmail.com> wr= ote:

Thanks Per! I know about the crossfade feature, but the sa= mpler vst I try to use it with doesn't seem like the most useful crossf= ade parameters. It has no smoothing features and you have to set the cross-= fade manually for each sample. Any advised on being time efficient with man= ual sampling?

On Mon,= Apr 1, 2013 at 5:12 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> = wrote:

Hi Kay'lon,

-- Reducing beating at sample loop point:=A0
Many sampler= s have a function called "smooth", "crossfade" or simil= ar. This usually takes away the beating. Sometimes you need to set loop poi= nts manually in order to listen and find two parts of the sample that sound= similar in timbre so you can place the Start Point and the Loop Point ther= e.=A0

Sampling longer snippets can also help. But in some rar= e cases the opposite might be true; for example regarding plain wave forms = where there is no modulation happening in the sample. In that case I person= ally think sampling just one or a few amplitudes of the wave form gives the= best options for treating a patch with the sampler's modulation arsena= l.=A0

-- Best way to sample synth sounds:
This is a= ll up to two factors: the accuracy you are aiming at and the nature of the = source sound to be sampled. For the highest accuracy you should sample ever= y half note. This will need a lot of disc space though and also large RAM o= n your computer for the sampler to read in a program/patch. One can listen = to the synth and make decisions on maybe only sample every third half note = at parts of the range where notes do not differ much. Myself I had good res= ults with sampling every third half note for the simple reason that I am no= t only a syntheist but also a samplist and as a samplist you tend to like t= he way a sampler subtly changes the sound of a sampled synth. This especial= ly comes through in pad sounds where there is some kind of cyclic modulatio= n happening in the synth's source sound; when a sampled note is played = back in the sampler at a different pitch such cyclic modulations will happe= n at a different speed and collide with the modulations of other notes in a= chord, resulting in a fatter sound and more busy dynamic texture.=A0

Again, it can turn out useful if you keep in mind the p= ossibility of turning off the synth's modulation and just sample the ra= w wave form in order to apply the future sampler's modulation to that.= =A0

Some synth sounds rely totally on modulation, maybe an = onboard filter, as a "synth efffect" and in such a case you may w= ant to just sample, two or three "takes" of that particular effec= t. A full keyboard range sample program would be way over the top here.=A0<= /div>

I sampled all my analog synths before selling them and = used a specific application to carry out that task during a period of sever= al hours/days. THe app was called AutoSampler but I'm not sure it still= is available because Apple bought the company (and hopefully that awesome = workflow will become part of Logic in the future?). Sampling a huge library= manual sucks big time. There can't be enough rainy days on the planet = for justifying such a boring activity.=A0

Gree= tings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen

On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 6:03 AM, kay'= lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey guys! Haven't been here in a long time. I haven't been looping = much because of school and whatnot. Anyways, I downloaded this free multi-s= ampling plugin called TX16Wx. I'm wondering whats the best way to sampl= e synth sounds? I need to reduce my cpu use and this might be the most effi= cient way. I keep having issues with crossfading the=A0loop points=A0becaus= e I get a beating/pulse sound. Is there a way to=A0eliminate=A0this issue? = I have to set the crossfade points manually.<= br clear=3D"all">

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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 19:16:13 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Synth sampling From: Todd Elliott To: "loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b4147b428c0cd04d96b7026 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 02:16:14 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b4147b428c0cd04d96b7026 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What about finding the zero point in the loop and editing it that way? Or adding tiny fades to each side of the loop? It's sort of a pain, but you should have to do it only once. On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 7:12 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > Im wondering what if I used a compressor on the sampler to even out the > volume change that results from the crossfade point would that do any > justice? > On Apr 2, 2013 9:33 AM, "kay'lon rushing" wrote: > >> Thanks Per! I know about the crossfade feature, but the sampler vst I try >> to use it with doesn't seem like the most useful crossfade parameters. It >> has no smoothing features and you have to set the cross-fade manually for >> each sample. Any advised on being time efficient with manual sampling? >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 5:12 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >>> Hi Kay'lon, >>> >>> -- Reducing beating at sample loop point: >>> Many samplers have a function called "smooth", "crossfade" or similar. >>> This usually takes away the beating. Sometimes you need to set loop points >>> manually in order to listen and find two parts of the sample that sound >>> similar in timbre so you can place the Start Point and the Loop Point >>> there. >>> >>> Sampling longer snippets can also help. But in some rare cases the >>> opposite might be true; for example regarding plain wave forms where there >>> is no modulation happening in the sample. In that case I personally think >>> sampling just one or a few amplitudes of the wave form gives the best >>> options for treating a patch with the sampler's modulation arsenal. >>> >>> -- Best way to sample synth sounds: >>> This is all up to two factors: the accuracy you are aiming at and the >>> nature of the source sound to be sampled. For the highest accuracy you >>> should sample every half note. This will need a lot of disc space though >>> and also large RAM on your computer for the sampler to read in a >>> program/patch. One can listen to the synth and make decisions on maybe only >>> sample every third half note at parts of the range where notes do not >>> differ much. Myself I had good results with sampling every third half note >>> for the simple reason that I am not only a syntheist but also a samplist >>> and as a samplist you tend to like the way a sampler subtly changes the >>> sound of a sampled synth. This especially comes through in pad sounds where >>> there is some kind of cyclic modulation happening in the synth's source >>> sound; when a sampled note is played back in the sampler at a different >>> pitch such cyclic modulations will happen at a different speed and collide >>> with the modulations of other notes in a chord, resulting in a fatter sound >>> and more busy dynamic texture. >>> >>> Again, it can turn out useful if you keep in mind the possibility of >>> turning off the synth's modulation and just sample the raw wave form in >>> order to apply the future sampler's modulation to that. >>> >>> Some synth sounds rely totally on modulation, maybe an onboard filter, >>> as a "synth efffect" and in such a case you may want to just sample, two or >>> three "takes" of that particular effect. A full keyboard range sample >>> program would be way over the top here. >>> >>> I sampled all my analog synths before selling them and used a specific >>> application to carry out that task during a period of several hours/days. >>> THe app was called AutoSampler but I'm not sure it still is available >>> because Apple bought the company (and hopefully that awesome workflow will >>> become part of Logic in the future?). Sampling a huge library manual sucks >>> big time. There can't be enough rainy days on the planet for justifying >>> such a boring activity. >>> >>> >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> www.perboysen.com >>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 6:03 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: >>> >>>> Hey guys! Haven't been here in a long time. I haven't been looping much >>>> because of school and whatnot. Anyways, I downloaded this free >>>> multi-sampling plugin called TX16Wx. I'm wondering whats the best way to >>>> sample synth sounds? I need to reduce my cpu use and this might be the most >>>> efficient way. I keep having issues with crossfading the loop >>>> points because I get a beating/pulse sound. Is there a way >>>> to eliminate this issue? I have to set the crossfade points manually. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238 >>>> >>>> My Music: - http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27 >>>> - www.soundcloud.com/k3z >>>> My Photography: http://www.flickr.com/photos/k3z/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238 >> >> My Music: - http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27 >> - www.soundcloud.com/k3z >> My Photography: http://www.flickr.com/photos/k3z/ >> >> >> -- http://toaster.bandcamp.com --047d7b4147b428c0cd04d96b7026 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What about finding the zero point in the loop and editing = it that way? Or adding tiny fades to each side of the loop? It's sort o= f a pain, but you should have to do it only once.

On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 7:12 PM, kay'= lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:

Im wondering what if I used a compressor on the sampler to even out the = volume change that results from the crossfade point would that do any justi= ce?

On Apr 2, 2013 9:33 AM, "kay'lon rushin= g" <k3zz21@gm= ail.com> wrote:

Thanks Per! I know about the crossfade feature, but the sa= mpler vst I try to use it with doesn't seem like the most useful crossf= ade parameters. It has no smoothing features and you have to set the cross-= fade manually for each sample. Any advised on being time efficient with man= ual sampling?

On Mon,= Apr 1, 2013 at 5:12 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> = wrote:

Hi Kay'lon,

-- Reducing beating at sample loop point:=A0
Many sampler= s have a function called "smooth", "crossfade" or simil= ar. This usually takes away the beating. Sometimes you need to set loop poi= nts manually in order to listen and find two parts of the sample that sound= similar in timbre so you can place the Start Point and the Loop Point ther= e.=A0

Sampling longer snippets can also help. But in some rar= e cases the opposite might be true; for example regarding plain wave forms = where there is no modulation happening in the sample. In that case I person= ally think sampling just one or a few amplitudes of the wave form gives the= best options for treating a patch with the sampler's modulation arsena= l.=A0

-- Best way to sample synth sounds:
This is a= ll up to two factors: the accuracy you are aiming at and the nature of the = source sound to be sampled. For the highest accuracy you should sample ever= y half note. This will need a lot of disc space though and also large RAM o= n your computer for the sampler to read in a program/patch. One can listen = to the synth and make decisions on maybe only sample every third half note = at parts of the range where notes do not differ much. Myself I had good res= ults with sampling every third half note for the simple reason that I am no= t only a syntheist but also a samplist and as a samplist you tend to like t= he way a sampler subtly changes the sound of a sampled synth. This especial= ly comes through in pad sounds where there is some kind of cyclic modulatio= n happening in the synth's source sound; when a sampled note is played = back in the sampler at a different pitch such cyclic modulations will happe= n at a different speed and collide with the modulations of other notes in a= chord, resulting in a fatter sound and more busy dynamic texture.=A0

Again, it can turn out useful if you keep in mind the p= ossibility of turning off the synth's modulation and just sample the ra= w wave form in order to apply the future sampler's modulation to that.= =A0

Some synth sounds rely totally on modulation, maybe an = onboard filter, as a "synth efffect" and in such a case you may w= ant to just sample, two or three "takes" of that particular effec= t. A full keyboard range sample program would be way over the top here.=A0<= /div>

I sampled all my analog synths before selling them and = used a specific application to carry out that task during a period of sever= al hours/days. THe app was called AutoSampler but I'm not sure it still= is available because Apple bought the company (and hopefully that awesome = workflow will become part of Logic in the future?). Sampling a huge library= manual sucks big time. There can't be enough rainy days on the planet = for justifying such a boring activity.=A0

Gree= tings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen

On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 6:03 AM, kay'= lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey guys! Haven't been here in a long time. I haven't been looping = much because of school and whatnot. Anyways, I downloaded this free multi-s= ampling plugin called TX16Wx. I'm wondering whats the best way to sampl= e synth sounds? I need to reduce my cpu use and this might be the most effi= cient way. I keep having issues with crossfading the=A0loop points=A0becaus= e I get a beating/pulse sound. Is there a way to=A0eliminate=A0this issue? = I have to set the crossfade points manually.<= br clear=3D"all">

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I know about the crossfade feature, but the sampler vst I tr= y to use it with doesn't seem like the most useful crossfade parameters. It= has no smoothing features and you have to set the cross-fade manually for = each sample. Any advised on being time efficient with manual sampling?=0A>= =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 5:12 AM, Per Boysen wrote:=0A>=0A>Hi Kay'lon,=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>-- Reducing beating at sample= loop point:=A0=0A>>Many samplers have a function called "smooth", "crossfa= de" or similar. This usually takes away the beating. Sometimes you need to = set loop points manually in order to listen and find two parts of the sampl= e that sound similar in timbre so you can place the Start Point and the Loo= p Point there.=A0 =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Sampling longer snippets can also help. Bu= t in some rare cases the opposite might be true; for example regarding plai= n wave forms where there is no modulation happening in the sample. In that = case I personally think sampling just one or a few amplitudes of the wave f= orm gives the best options for treating a patch with the sampler's modulati= on arsenal.=A0 =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>-- Best way to sample synth sounds:=0A>>This = is all up to two factors: the accuracy you are aiming at and the nature of = the source sound to be sampled. For the highest accuracy you should sample = every half note. This will need a lot of disc space though and also large R= AM on your computer for the sampler to read in a program/patch. One can lis= ten to the synth and make decisions on maybe only sample every third half n= ote at parts of the range where notes do not differ much. Myself I had good= results with sampling every third half note for the simple reason that I a= m not only a syntheist but also a samplist and as a samplist you tend to li= ke the way a sampler subtly changes the sound of a sampled synth. This espe= cially comes through in pad sounds where there is some kind of cyclic modul= ation happening in the synth's source sound; when a sampled note is played = back in the sampler at a different pitch such cyclic modulations will happe= n at a different speed and collide with the modulations of other notes in a chord, resulting in a fatter sound and more busy dynamic = texture.=A0 =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Again, it can turn out useful if you keep in min= d the possibility of turning off the synth's modulation and just sample the= raw wave form in order to apply the future sampler's modulation to that.= =A0 =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Some synth sounds rely totally on modulation, maybe an o= nboard filter, as a "synth efffect" and in such a case you may want to just= sample, two or three "takes" of that particular effect. A full keyboard ra= nge sample program would be way over the top here.=A0 =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>I samp= led all my analog synths before selling them and used a specific applicatio= n to carry out that task during a period of several hours/days. THe app was= called AutoSampler but I'm not sure it still is available because Apple bo= ught the company (and hopefully that awesome workflow will become part of L= ogic in the future?). Sampling a huge library manual sucks big time. There = can't be enough rainy days on the planet for justifying such a boring activ= ity.=A0 =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Greetings from Sweden=0A>>=0A>>Per Boysen= =0A>>http://www.perboysen.com/=0A>>http://www.youtube.com/perboysen=0A>>=0A= >>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 6:03 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote:=0A>>=0A>>Hey guys! Haven't been here in a long time. I have= n't been looping much because of school and whatnot. Anyways, I downloaded = this free multi-sampling plugin called TX16Wx. I'm wondering whats the best= way to sample synth sounds? I need to reduce my cpu use and this might be = the most efficient way. I keep having issues with crossfading the=A0loop po= ints=A0because I get a beating/pulse sound. Is there a way to=A0eliminate= =A0this issue? 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can't find a real article. nor a y= outube video. but wouldn't a grove station, like the roland 606, or a= maschine, give you the control you need for synth sampling? just wondering= ....

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From: kay'lon r= ushing <k3zz21@gmail.com>
T= o: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight" <Loopers-Delight@loopers= -delight.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 8:12 PM
= Subject: Re: Synth sampling

Im wondering what if I used a compressor on the sampler t= o even out the volume change that results from the crossfade point would th= at do any justice?
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On Apr 2= , 2013 9:33 AM, "kay'lon rushing" <k3zz2= 1@gmail.com> wrote:
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Thanks Per! I know about the crossfade feature, but the sa= mpler vst I try to use it with doesn't seem like the most useful crossfade = parameters. It has no smoothing features and you have to set the cross-fade= manually for each sample. Any advised on being time efficient with manual = sampling?
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On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 5:12 AM, Per B= oysen <perboys= en@gmail.com> wrote:
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Hi Kay'lon,

-- Reducing beat= ing at sample loop point:
Many samplers have a function cal= led "smooth", "crossfade" or similar. This usually takes away the beating. = Sometimes you need to set loop points manually in order to listen and find = two parts of the sample that sound similar in timbre so you can place the S= tart Point and the Loop Point there.
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Sampling longer snippets can also help. But in some rare cases the opposi= te might be true; for example regarding plain wave forms where there is no = modulation happening in the sample. In that case I personally think samplin= g just one or a few amplitudes of the wave form gives the best options for = treating a patch with the sampler's modulation arsenal.
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-- Best way to sample synth sounds:
This i= s all up to two factors: the accuracy you are aiming at and the nature of t= he source sound to be sampled. For the highest accuracy you should sample e= very half note. This will need a lot of disc space though and also large RA= M on your computer for the sampler to read in a program/patch. One can list= en to the synth and make decisions on maybe only sample every third half no= te at parts of the range where notes do not differ much. Myself I had good = results with sampling every third half note for the simple reason that I am= not only a syntheist but also a samplist and as a samplist you tend to lik= e the way a sampler subtly changes the sound of a sampled synth. This espec= ially comes through in pad sounds where there is some kind of cyclic modula= tion happening in the synth's source sound; when a sampled note is played b= ack in the sampler at a different pitch such cyclic modulations will happen at a different speed and collide with the modulations of other note= s in a chord, resulting in a fatter sound and more busy dynamic texture.&nb= sp;
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Again, it can turn out useful if you = keep in mind the possibility of turning off the synth's modulation and just= sample the raw wave form in order to apply the future sampler's modulation= to that.
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Some synth sounds rely to= tally on modulation, maybe an onboard filter, as a "synth efffect" and in s= uch a case you may want to just sample, two or three "takes" of that partic= ular effect. A full keyboard range sample program would be way over the top= here.
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I sampled all my analog synt= hs before selling them and used a specific application to carry out that ta= sk during a period of several hours/days. THe app was called AutoSampler bu= t I'm not sure it still is available because Apple bought the company (and = hopefully that awesome workflow will become part of Logic in the future?). = Sampling a huge library manual sucks big time. There can't be enough rainy = days on the planet for justifying such a boring activity.
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Greetings from Sweden

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On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 6:03 AM, kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
=0A=0A=0AHey g= uys! Haven't been here in a long time. I haven't been looping much because = of school and whatnot. Anyways, I downloaded this free multi-sampling plugi= n called TX16Wx. I'm wondering whats the best way to sample synth sounds? I= need to reduce my cpu use and this might be the most efficient way. I keep= having issues with crossfading the loop points because I get a b= eating/pulse sound. Is there a way to eliminate this issue? I hav= e to set the crossfade points manually.
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On Apr 1, 2013, at 8:09 PM, rick reed wrote: > unsubscribe me=20 On Apr 3, 2013, at 7:43 AM, rick reed wrote: > take me off this list=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 16:14:17 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE5E4183517; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 16:14:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=yJR1cz+em7tHKXeOyh+88UvCPPjAy0IivB84o6SSdhU=; b=fwDPqOCXMONx+cyWxdMRyFc1n17yjWGnq/skxTS4/tbhk0ick/8+5k0qqjgeq52u7E rcwr1eup3KPA5wNUUU7qOrhgvObPOyUfLW9z2xvl1Fc09kDnd1FR1KpYVS4HS4qTcldk g9FSiU+82WJcwnSeM/UTi8JRjF3Us7ojaRDV0rL2vY1PCmvPMu4VEPwTJIYDPeIOG95P 9l1la57NjpIBpBRCHf6THXYHTO2n15NHJ6Yj5h826wp8RjDCuRqXYWMzBLWj/Zc20/ZY 0xWnG1ayU8OCa87sa5uEvW0RLsRYVNhtoC8V90DiH+iCA5Mt6N9+pGdb/pu8mW7C/LqQ inig== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.40.105 with SMTP id w9mr1467868oek.36.1365005656890; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 09:14:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 09:14:16 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: unsubscribe me From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0139fc044ba2c104d97725d4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 16:14:17 +0000 (UTC) --089e0139fc044ba2c104d97725d4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Jane! Stop this crazy thing! K On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Ted Killian wrote: > As I said before... > > Dear Rick Reed, > > This list has no moderator per se, nor is there anyone who can unsubscribe > you. > > The fellow who started it all passed away a year or two back. > > The instructions for getting yourself unsubscribed are as follows and come > from the FAQ section of the Loopers Delight website: > > To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject > and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: > > Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your > unsubscribe request to: > > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com > > Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or people will make fun > of you and you will feel like a dork. > > On Apr 1, 2013, at 8:09 PM, rick reed wrote: > > > unsubscribe me > > On Apr 3, 2013, at 7:43 AM, rick reed wrote: > > > take me off this list > > -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. 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Jane! =A0Stop this crazy thing!

K=

O= n Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Ted Killian <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:

As I said before...

Dear Rick Reed,

This list has no moderator per se, nor is there anyone who can unsubscribe = you.

The fellow who started it all passed away a year or two back.

The instructions for getting yourself unsubscribed are as follows and come = from the FAQ section of the Loopers Delight website:

To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the= subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to:

Loopers-Deli= ght-request@loopers-delight.com

If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubsc= ribe request to:

Loopers-De= light-d-request@loopers-delight.com

Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or people will make fu= n of you and you will feel like a dork.

On Apr 1, 2013, at 8:09 PM, rick reed wrote:

> unsubscribe me

On Apr 3, 2013, at 7:43 AM, rick reed wrote:

> take me off this list

--
= Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
= form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.<= br>
- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

--089e0139fc044ba2c104d97725d4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 16:21:27 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D0D018351C; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 16:21:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-EIP: [UwugJso6PxrjCRNQ+0kAt1Lv6mu3AirC2uyF/0RqVMo=] X-Originating-Email: [apacheci5@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_3fe4f937-c630-40e8-9dac-314e8535c04f_" From: kelly maxwell To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: unsubscribe me Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 16:21:26 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2013 16:21:26.0552 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A4BC180:01CE3087] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 16:21:27 +0000 (UTC) --_3fe4f937-c630-40e8-9dac-314e8535c04f_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable the apple cannot be stuck back on the tree of knowledge=3B once we begin to= see=2C we are doomed and challenged to seek the strength to see more=2C no= t less.....arthur miller Date: Wed=2C 3 Apr 2013 09:14:16 -0700 Subject: Re: unsubscribe me From: billowhead@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Jane! Stop this crazy thing! K On Wed=2C Apr 3=2C 2013 at 9:00 AM=2C Ted Killian = wrote: =0A= As I said before... =0A= =0A= Dear Rick Reed=2C =0A= =0A= This list has no moderator per se=2C nor is there anyone who can unsubscrib= e you. =0A= =0A= The fellow who started it all passed away a year or two back. =0A= =0A= The instructions for getting yourself unsubscribed are as follows and come = from the FAQ section of the Loopers Delight website: =0A= =0A= To unsubscribe=2C send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject= and body=2C and no sig files or anything else=2C to: =0A= =0A= Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com =0A= =0A= If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight=2C send your unsubscri= be request to: =0A= =0A= Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com =0A= =0A= Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list=2C or people will make fun = of you and you will feel like a dork. =0A= =0A= On Apr 1=2C 2013=2C at 8:09 PM=2C rick reed wrote: =0A= =0A= > unsubscribe me =0A= =0A= On Apr 3=2C 2013=2C at 7:43 AM=2C rick reed wrote: =0A= =0A= > take me off this list =0A= =0A= --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. =0A= - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) =0A= = --_3fe4f937-c630-40e8-9dac-314e8535c04f_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

the apple cannot =3Bbe s= tuck back on the tree of knowledge=3B once we begin to see=2C we are doomed= and challenged to seek the strength to see more=2C not less.....arthur mil= ler
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Date: Wed=2C 3 Apr 2013 09:14:16 -0700
Subject: Re: unsubscri= be me
From: billowhead@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.= com

Jane! =3BStop this crazy thing!

K

On Wed=2C Apr 3=2C 2013 at 9:00 AM=2C Ted Killian <=3B= tedkillian@charter.net>=3B wrote:
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As I said before...
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=0A= Dear Rick Reed=2C
=0A=
=0A= This list has no moderator per se=2C nor is there anyone who can unsubscrib= e you.
=0A=
=0A= The fellow who started it all passed away a year or two back.
=0A=
=0A= The instructions for getting yourself unsubscribed are as follows and come = from the FAQ section of the Loopers Delight website:
=0A=
=0A= To unsubscribe=2C send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject= and body=2C and no sig files or anything else=2C to:
=0A=
=0A= Loopers-Deli= ght-request@loopers-delight.com
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=0A= If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight=2C send your unsubscri= be request to:
=0A=
=0A= Loopers-De= light-d-request@loopers-delight.com
=0A=
=0A= Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list=2C or people will make fun = of you and you will feel like a dork.
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=0A= On Apr 1=2C 2013=2C at 8:09 PM=2C rick reed wrote:
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=0A= >=3B unsubscribe me
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=0A= On Apr 3=2C 2013=2C at 7:43 AM=2C rick reed wrote:
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=0A= >=3B take me off this list
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--
= Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
= form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.<= br>=0A=
- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

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= --_3fe4f937-c630-40e8-9dac-314e8535c04f_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 16:22:58 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7642618351D; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 16:22:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 706413.99539.bm@omp1003.mail.ird.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1365006175; bh=fAdwwkYIVw1LxvpBa6bjNrOrFnSyT7CTqY4mpXqiXbw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0ewcKuLQk6GJ20dbC6Cdqf3qntXRkdo2/xSkl1s/NbNdc8epnXFn9Jxw90m/XihJQ2u8DpbdwkDUsmjaUCB6TxL709p0P4dbxSome+ooIvcbAmoHkd9xySw1ysedydr9HHQejbsBGUCFUArT0bXC+wmnhkq1/nmZr3kUu3e9Jpk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uIfdbOQ2cIQHlJHMJP5qiSQEtKxQjwcmx6eoDrqakeGqSBAwXR+pihFfkv9sBK+4vIXlBwFdxDY0lnqRGDJFKgFfX/ANcI6BtYM4yraa7lJgSyruL6H/g6YebZto5mAl0rWUBYGp4Laa4YuTls/FVPrlbjoKnS6Ay5jyTb1VaSA=; X-YMail-OSG: mj2YvYQVM1lMGXjqGPwSNhhlupfxYZtJFT9.yUPcTY9nu.B Xk4nx3hhyMU7sqe.FZiiT7l5yYKZQtOOPaZALCNq6wCuZEPqffVnpAsAMG6G mnB8OjJa2axFJ73hOZMxhqrlWjz2na.LWH2mSIv_TwwzKI8UlBsn0quwL18H nSstWDbzeNZ8owXqh1Ggt6iiiZhwrqS_uPGJoekjcouzPRtnkzkBKMih.ria jUNFnflzQYR5Ra8cXqGMdXd8BkMSOwkL14dNS4qQMk36wpQjS2426oCaM7Sf N3YMd1h9IqoHNow9CgPdlli4JEXW3scs1BNKRUom.FIPpxYneMgUYENFwVF5 CQwKXsjRo5dY7x0JJZQ5aktzJMwi_CtKn0y6Uvqxf3WYmM0EbrpwRfRulqQL O3W94MLEnTnHJDslGqUR5yPTO.y715WzbPj7I1.ChsH2IjzKBmQQPkW0f X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,c291bmRzIHByZXR0eSBnbG9vbXk6LSkKCkFudG9ueSBIZXF1ZXQKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRGXCoDoga2VsbHkgbWF4d2VsbCA8YXBhY2hlY2k1QGhvdG1haWwuY29tPgrDgMKgOiAiTG9vcGVycy1EZWxpZ2h0QGxvb3BlcnMtZGVsaWdodC5jb20iIDxsb29wZXJzLWRlbGlnaHRAbG9vcGVycy1kZWxpZ2h0LmNvbT4gCkVudm95w6kgbGUgOiBNZXJjcmVkaSAzIGF2cmlsIDIwMTMgMThoMjEKT2JqZXTCoDogUkU6IHVuc3Vic2NyaWJlIG1lCiAKCiAKCnRoZSBhcHBsZSBjYW4BMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.140.532 References: ,, Message-ID: <1365006175.16042.YahooMailNeo@web171705.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:22:55 +0100 (BST) From: Antony Hequet Reply-To: Antony Hequet Subject: Re: unsubscribe me To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1253611123-183253513-1365006175=:16042" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 16:22:58 +0000 (UTC) --1253611123-183253513-1365006175=:16042 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sounds pretty gloomy:-)=0A=0AAntony Hequet=0A=0A=0A________________________= ________=0A De=A0: kelly maxwell =0A=C0=A0: "Loopers= -Delight@loopers-delight.com" =0AEnvo= y=E9 le : Mercredi 3 avril 2013 18h21=0AObjet=A0: RE: unsubscribe me=0A =0A= =0A =0A=0Athe apple cannot=A0be stuck back on the tree of knowledge; once w= e begin to see, we are doomed and challenged to seek the strength to see mo= re, not less.....arthur miller=0A=A0=0A=0A=0A______________________________= __=0ADate: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 09:14:16 -0700=0ASubject: Re: unsubscribe me=0AF= rom: billowhead@gmail.com=0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A=0A= =0AJane! =A0Stop this crazy thing!=0A=0AK=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at= 9:00 AM, Ted Killian wrote:=0A=0AAs I said before= ...=0A>=0A>Dear Rick Reed,=0A>=0A>This list has no moderator per se, nor is= there anyone who can unsubscribe you.=0A>=0A>The fellow who started it all= passed away a year or two back.=0A>=0A>The instructions for getting yourse= lf unsubscribed are as follows and come from the FAQ section of the Loopers= Delight website:=0A>=0A>To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscri= be" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to:=0A= >=0A>Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com=0A>=0A>If you are on the d= igest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe request to:=0A>=0A= >Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com=0A>=0A>Don't send your unsub= scribe message to the list, or people will make fun of you and you will fee= l like a dork.=0A>=0A>On Apr 1, 2013, at 8:09 PM, rick reed wrote:=0A>=0A>>= unsubscribe me=0A>=0A>=0A>On Apr 3, 2013, at 7:43 AM, rick reed wrote:=0A>= =0A>> take me off this list=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A-- =0ATill now you seriously co= nsidered yourself to be the body and to have a=0Aform. That is the primal i= gnorance which is the root cause of all trouble.=0A=0A- Ramana Maharshi (18= 79-1950) --1253611123-183253513-1365006175=:16042 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

sounds pretty gloomy:-)

Antony Hequet

De : kelly maxwell <apacheci5@hotmail.com>
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Envoy=E9 le : Mercredi 3 avril 2013 1= 8h21
Objet : RE: = unsubscribe me

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the apple cannot be stuc= k back on the tree of knowledge; once we begin to see, we are doomed and ch= allenged to seek the strength to see more, not less.....arthur miller
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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 09:14:16 -0700
Subject: = Re: unsubscribe me
From: billowhead@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loo= pers-delight.com

Jane! Stop this crazy thing!=

On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at = 9:00 AM, Ted Killian <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:
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A= s I said before...
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=0ADear Rick Reed,
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=0AThis list has = no moderator per se, nor is there anyone who can unsubscribe you.
=0A=0AThe fellow who started it all passed away a year or two back.
=0A=0AThe instructions for getting yourself unsubscribed are as follows and c= ome from the FAQ section of the Loopers Delight website:
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=0ATo un= subscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and bo= dy, and no sig files or anything else, to:
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=0ALoopers-= Delight-request@loopers-delight.com
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=0AIf you are on the dige= st version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe request to:
=0A=0ALoopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com
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=0ADon't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or people will make= fun of you and you will feel like a dork.
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=0AOn Apr 1, 2013, at = 8:09 PM, rick reed wrote:
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=0A> unsubscribe me
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=0AOn Apr 3,= 2013, at 7:43 AM, rick reed wrote:
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=0A> take me off this list=
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--
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and= to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of= all trouble.
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- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

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--1253611123-183253513-1365006175=:16042-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 16:37:58 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B372183515; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 16:37:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1088495007==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20130403163756.26646.8351.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 12:37:57 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: unsubscribe me DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20121106; t=1365007077; bh=jzdMKpeDP74sAnItifxgv2ojNssFl90f+p+wBt1tq88=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-Id:Reply-to: From:Date:To:Subject; b=HgNI/7t3c0x30DHo2FC4RjRTnnaYcdsj3yt0p4ZXPXu/AUEn5thr2YqexorchbFzu 25x04u6GEh1wEJJkKAlXbDICvTZw02ZyEf4qcyV6IhvOaMYY09Bjef0hZgM+nbCC1k w1vQ3sJr/dmK8CH8hRT9pos8xXPucmtZA8pbfB8VJVq3KbXHqC91mTQzQF0fbiKbPH MNbOuKtZGK3Gk5GMrAQtz0/Xa12umHMo05Ma6wFF+/y9/dXM07xdqfxtuwLhk+Vsbg gEoFTwcPVe4w+0XVeDIsjj/KD8E8CeBOmy2/+99jpzJ4PleLG+ABLcjrTYdDO6P5QZ nkw/CIl0gxgog== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 16:37:58 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============1088495007== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Who=20do=20you=20think=20you=20are?=20George=20Jetson?=20I'm=20supposed=20t= o=20be=20Elroy.=20So=20what=20does=20that=20mean=20 to=20you? Tyler=20Z On=20Wed,=203=20Apr=202013=2009:14:16=20-0700,=20Kevin=20Cheli-Colando=20wr= ote: >Jane!=20Stop=20this=20crazy=20thing! >K >On=20Wed,=20Apr=203,=202013=20at=209:00=20AM,=20Ted=20Killian=20=20wrote: >As=20I=20said=20before... >Dear=20Rick=20Reed, >This=20list=20has=20no=20moderator=20per=20se,=20nor=20is=20there=20anyone= =20who=20can=20unsubscribe=20you. >The=20fellow=20who=20started=20it=20all=20passed=20away=20a=20year=20or=20= two=20back. >The=20instructions=20for=20getting=20yourself=20unsubscribed=20are=20as=20= follows=20and=20come=20from=20 >the=20FAQ=20section=20of=20the=20Loopers=20Delight=20website: >To=20unsubscribe,=20send=20mail=20with=20the=20word=20"unsubscribe"=20in= =20both=20the=20subject=20and=20 >body,=20and=20no=20sig=20files=20or=20anything=20else,=20to: >Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >If=20you=20are=20on=20the=20digest=20version=20of=20Looper's=20Delight,=20= send=20your=20unsubscribe=20 >request=20to: >Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com >Don't=20send=20your=20unsubscribe=20message=20to=20the=20list,=20or=20peop= le=20will=20make=20fun=20of=20you=20 >and=20you=20will=20feel=20like=20a=20dork. >On=20Apr=201,=202013,=20at=208:09=20PM,=20rick=20reed=20wrote: >>unsubscribe=20me >On=20Apr=203,=202013,=20at=207:43=20AM,=20rick=20reed=20wrote: >>take=20me=20off=20this=20list >--=20 >Till=20now=20you=20seriously=20considered=20yourself=20to=20be=20the=20bod= y=20and=20to=20have=20a >form.=20That=20is=20the=20primal=20ignorance=20which=20is=20the=20root=20c= ause=20of=20all=20trouble. >-=20Ramana=20Maharshi=20(1879-1950) --===============1088495007==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 16:49:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1748D183513; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 16:49:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=X1fo7pGhr0e/iTx3WBMWfBgv3dAoXL2VyQtongCLBqE=; b=g7jZl3fobUrtv+CHKTcPmiBAuh8lPK1UiMIeK3zfRorGw77x5bB9OvrStHbhtemwnU ycf1jfyEu0EYQScIb3aCL4yIbJ3tBA4TToGrVc7X1akXO4bOYbcl+wtpQcX6eULibmN4 N1xySUCfyVZaJU5BJu6Ae+2aYle1vQFbQ8sKVFJpGZlGKqvMe+3Rg2AFhS9rUaDqoyW0 L6vWUkjBxUK2wi28lmZrj2hyy0uWYCeWFUCZMReoLbUbM4B8LfTWiW67Ea7Oxl/qazHN q7ZMtpwxIiSYhpuLBN3A51OjUX1W9ciBZ9lBh9gjyNHL2wHf7De4AWbvUg/WYUQTmQD1 FBHg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.248.11 with SMTP id me11mr1867264vcb.26.1365007781411; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 09:49:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130403163756.26646.8351.levelstar.mail@everest> References: <20130403163756.26646.8351.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 18:49:41 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: unsubscribe me From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 16:49:42 +0000 (UTC) Unsubscription... Can one receive pure unsubscription now? Who is giving it out? Is it free? Just like that? Impressive. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Tyler wrote: > Who do you think you are? George Jetson? I'm supposed to be Elroy. So what does that mean > to you? > Tyler Z > On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 09:14:16 -0700, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > > > >>Jane! Stop this crazy thing! >>K >>On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Ted Killian wrote: >>As I said before... >>Dear Rick Reed, >>This list has no moderator per se, nor is there anyone who can unsubscribe you. >>The fellow who started it all passed away a year or two back. >>The instructions for getting yourself unsubscribed are as follows and come from >>the FAQ section of the Loopers Delight website: >>To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and >>body, and no sig files or anything else, to: >>Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe >>request to: >>Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com >>Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or people will make fun of you >>and you will feel like a dork. >>On Apr 1, 2013, at 8:09 PM, rick reed wrote: >>>unsubscribe me >>On Apr 3, 2013, at 7:43 AM, rick reed wrote: >>>take me off this list >>-- >>Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a >>form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. >>- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 17:03:18 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84AF0183516; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:03:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1365008597; bh=113G16a96V3i1Dacgn/5FU23qJle+KgaJAKaWTNwlrI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Subject:References:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=sn24ZvDN2qwWLXyDFH96VLJQKAeFuKo/XfmH7kV+pj6iaewwbMij3eInYQnKx0Gg2HCbRxiCJWgFuvPuuunBBqha38f4kA/IpbhhhnDhGHPvQkcYRrV1X5UuScmSCTr/0uhYBjklUE2M3BbVVMkOWP0qbhreq4IRYjmmtKEJmDI= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 311856.63838.bm@smtp129-mob.biz.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: ZFQrZdkVM1mfIZKWvhkmr0UPzhFxEbvp7iqlMYtzYm.GKs. tMZn2tNbR0KJmG0p7i2TwdyaAbWENCxdOv0vs2wQyQyl0Z7Kn6ihrzN7vjlj ehVPl_pFoj8mMqV50hIAtmzlnzdxOTBMTKN6Onw_evGLPItYE15ET2qbBSx6 omDOX5tsrZ4dSGlM9q0.sxJHyoclavyiq79.l.r_QwyeXtpM9fYsBbANQbFG Y5GUOZyuCaCbmo_iJPM.a2eD2fE1OhhCUyWYjg37YuyMDk1z4suriKX2LV3k o0TtkjrKZc2moE6Fq9Q609l6BojpDnxwFSknSDhmNgB.bGhsYHr3.MpB2tvy EHTlMRCwGCWZ8lkuJ7XVEb2sPvcxRkh2P6.p8ThDKi_AcO0_JRVEr8gGFy83 wmSlqs46DnxXBsOt5lobK9_96cYSC880lhedjCXg.p7r7GGqEtiVEEJmplS1 a_Y_OfMVuGE7vZgSAd25m0v0pX.OdqEPU.jEI21bXzexlgS25PKHOUpsgJvY gUPaTwCEbl61B_bNtyfj3kGxo X-Yahoo-SMTP: 7n7qsyGswBCgTbRPvUUz9QEYRfjrM9w1ZUA- X-Rocket-Received: from [192.168.178.21] (antony.hequet@77.185.44.230 with xymcookie) by smtp129-mob.biz.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Apr 2013 17:03:17 +0000 UTC Subject: Re: unsubscribe me References: <20130403163756.26646.8351.levelstar.mail@everest> From: Antony Hequet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8J2) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <23959A68-70D4-4F17-B605-C56B40E0C137@yahoo.fr> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 19:03:10 +0200 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8J2) Resent-Message-ID: <_ZiN5D.A.iuE.WDGXRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:03:18 +0000 (UTC) I will sell you some but ot's not cheap! Antony Hequet Poet composer On 3 avr. 2013, at 18:49, Per Boysen wrote: > Unsubscription... > Can one receive pure unsubscription now? > Who is giving it out? Is it free? Just like that? > Impressive. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Tyler wrote: >> Who do you think you are? George Jetson? I'm supposed to be Elroy. So wha= t does that mean >> to you? >> Tyler Z >> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 09:14:16 -0700, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> Jane! Stop this crazy thing! >>> K >>> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Ted Killian wro= te: >>> As I said before... >>> Dear Rick Reed, >>> This list has no moderator per se, nor is there anyone who can unsubscri= be you. >>> The fellow who started it all passed away a year or two back. >>> The instructions for getting yourself unsubscribed are as follows and co= me from >>> the FAQ section of the Loopers Delight website: >>> To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subjec= t and >>> body, and no sig files or anything else, to: >>> Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscr= ibe >>> request to: >>> Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com >>> Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or people will make fun= of you >>> and you will feel like a dork. >>> On Apr 1, 2013, at 8:09 PM, rick reed wrote: >>>> unsubscribe me >>> On Apr 3, 2013, at 7:43 AM, rick reed wrote: >>>> take me off this list >>> -- >>> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a >>> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all troubl= e. >>> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 17:03:31 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C319D18351B; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:03:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=r6dV0OF5PzrQh7/SrPtMXpd2GIEHAhvP9emCmfHc2Z8=; b=J6+ozw4UVkQv5oKZPnnAu1wrsrIZjeV1DxBE8GEvzCydda/nrDWz2/OISQ+3IAoi5W jPGaotjf7it0S4e8zJ17r3YoGALYns9S1kQj0wSfkGgxkuw+xF0p/x7xd/h8o6nf4naS fHCsnMJFR3axbfPj3N7nugtuHXkd46gD4S6qcU3nnmVjPTgeJ6czaGS9pPuhIFPmAD/k 7D91H63Si9kAkXTMNryqpjbKuqja+BFgQhAiafsSp0tZxD+JdMLToJjFehYbIje8BtzN Qcu0pO9ILeKreolpqzHsmUrVmRkBccMgGrWrXstzaP96HwJFjEmQhk3jLgRNUSojtC3X g+7A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.193.129 with SMTP id ho1mr1549507igc.94.1365008611086; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 10:03:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20130403163756.26646.8351.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 10:03:30 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: unsubscribe me From: Todd Elliott To: "loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9341089611a8504d977d5ee Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:03:31 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9341089611a8504d977d5ee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It is free. But the price may be too much to bear. On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Unsubscription... > Can one receive pure unsubscription now? > Who is giving it out? Is it free? Just like that? > Impressive. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Tyler wrote: > > Who do you think you are? George Jetson? I'm supposed to be Elroy. So > what does that mean > > to you? > > Tyler Z > > On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 09:14:16 -0700, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > > > > > > > >>Jane! Stop this crazy thing! > >>K > >>On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Ted Killian > wrote: > >>As I said before... > >>Dear Rick Reed, > >>This list has no moderator per se, nor is there anyone who can > unsubscribe you. > >>The fellow who started it all passed away a year or two back. > >>The instructions for getting yourself unsubscribed are as follows and > come from > >>the FAQ section of the Loopers Delight website: > >>To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the > subject and > >>body, and no sig files or anything else, to: > >>Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >>If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your > unsubscribe > >>request to: > >>Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com > >>Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or people will make fun > of you > >>and you will feel like a dork. > >>On Apr 1, 2013, at 8:09 PM, rick reed wrote: > >>>unsubscribe me > >>On Apr 3, 2013, at 7:43 AM, rick reed wrote: > >>>take me off this list > >>-- > >>Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > >>form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all > trouble. > >>- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > > > -- http://toaster.bandcamp.com --14dae9341089611a8504d977d5ee Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It is free. But the price may be too much to bear.=A0

On Wed, Apr = 3, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote= :

Unsubscription...
Can one receive pure unsubscription now?
Who is giving it out? Is it free? Just like that?
Impressive.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen

On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Tyler <programmer651@comcast.net> wrote:
> Who do you think you are? George Jetson? I'm supposed to be Elroy.= So what does that mean
> to you?
> Tyler Z
> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 09:14:16 -0700, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote:
>
>
>
>>Jane! Stop this crazy thing!
>>K
>>On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Ted Killian <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:
>>As I said before...
>>Dear Rick Reed,
>>This list has no moderator per se, nor is there anyone who can unsu= bscribe you.
>>The fellow who started it all passed away a year or two back.
>>The instructions for getting yourself unsubscribed are as follows a= nd come from
>>the FAQ section of the Loopers Delight website:
>>To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in = both the subject and
>>body, and no sig files or anything else, to:
>>Loop= ers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com
>>If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your= unsubscribe
>>request to:
>>Lo= opers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com
>>Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or people will= make fun of you
>>and you will feel like a dork.
>>On Apr 1, 2013, at 8:09 PM, rick reed wrote:
>>>unsubscribe me
>>On Apr 3, 2013, at 7:43 AM, rick reed wrote:
>>>take me off this list
>>--
>>Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to ha= ve a
>>form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all t= rouble.
>>- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
>

--
= http://toaster.ba= ndcamp.com

--14dae9341089611a8504d977d5ee-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 17:14:43 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 137DC183518; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:14:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 903 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 17:14:42 UTC X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.234.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:SN2PRD0410HT001.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-BigFish: PS1(z5105h2005kz98dI9371Izz1f42h1fc6h1ee6h1de0h1202h1e76h1d1ah1d2ahzz17326ahc704dh18602eh8275bhz2fh2a8h668h839h947hd25hf0ah1288h12a5h12a9h12bdh137ah13b6h1441h1504h1537h153bh15d0h162dh1631h1758h18e1h1946h19b5h19ceh1ad9h1b0ah1155h) Received-SPF: pass (mail62-am1: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.234.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.234.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=SN2PRD0410HT001.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: Mobius` Input ports in Ableton Thread-Topic: Mobius` Input ports in Ableton Thread-Index: AQHOL9/IdBSjWeVoWkWvzKtwqK/a3JjDfKUAgAABvYCAATkTPA== Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 16:59:22 +0000 Message-ID: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A778F3855B@SN2PRD0410MB384.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.2.130206 x-originating-ip: [173.226.147.242] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <4003DA2422724040B6E501512FF797D3@namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:14:42 +0000 (UTC) Mobius arranges input channels into stereo pairs called "ports". =A0It look= s like Ableton does the same, though they give them confusing names.=0A= =0A= Testing with Live Lite 8 on Windows, it appears that sending an Ableton aud= io track output to "Track In" on the Mobius track sends it to what Mobius c= alls Port 1, the first pair of stereo channels. =A0Sending to "Left in 2" s= ends to Mobius Port 2, "Left in 3" to Mobius Port 3, and "Left in 4" to Mob= ius port 4.=0A= =0A= But I can't get it to send to ports 5 - 8. =A0This appears to be a Live lim= itation, at least in the "Lite" version I have.=0A= =0A= Jeff=0A= =0A= ________________________________________=0A= From: Per Boysen [perboysen@gmail.com]=0A= Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 5:11 PM=0A= To: Loopers-Delight=0A= Subject: Re: Mobius` Input ports in Ableton=0A= =0A= On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Todd Elliott wrote:= =0A= > I don't have live in front of me, but there are options to turn inputs on= =0A= > and off in preferences/audio. It sounds like you don't have those=0A= enabled.=0A= =0A= "Mobius / Global Parameters / Limits / Plugin Ports".=0A= (set the number for how many ports the plugin will show Ableton Live)=0A= =0A= Greetings from Sweden=0A= =0A= Per Boysen=0A= www.perboysen.com=0A= http://www.youtube.com/perboysen=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 17:47:34 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F0F3183515; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:47:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=BctA8KRCFVRvbVUdenWA9QW9R3vs7aPTXIZM4p4PzuA=; b=R9gUrmBC0vh3LnQYMsjUsZ4v5IdEPYZEII1ZuLnCwoOC8zhLJGV6Vg9vCxpadWA+4D 98ujhAMMnuKfFabKhFMEwVdmDwOLyABpHWI1c4OZwe/SeGV7uePW5rHx67A1P9YVKl/N 8c9L2sQhhB+Zs6765MI3J4kTUHKGKco62uZ9sgmvjbB84Ay3Hp2lp3J+rhF30cnUoWEU W6OnQp37Hqp12icB+hZB5JAv5kNEsg60703Th2Q6uJZAYrY/E7FWhfXRWqSNbgrnv6HY 3LTYzY+YGTLjBHJdLRridjcg+S+VJ2dYKbt4QlicgVfcsiCwefu5CE0WukQVuq0WEKCT dakg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.104.67 with SMTP id n3mr2364255qao.42.1365011253913; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 10:47:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A778F3855B@SN2PRD0410MB384.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A778F3855B@SN2PRD0410MB384.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 19:47:33 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius` Input ports in Ableton From: jannis kempkens To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec53f9245e76e4104d978727b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:47:34 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec53f9245e76e4104d978727b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Jeff! That=B4s exactly what I tried to describe in my not good enoug= h english. Is there any way around it, if i still want to use all my ableton instruments and effects? Or does anyone know how to change these ableton settings? Or does anyone know a better way to loop and send out every instrument on it=B4s own track and output so the loops stay "mixable" after going through the looper? I worked sooooo long on this setup. It=B4s driving me crazy! Btw. Thank you all for doing what you do! I=B4m so impressed by people like you, who keep this mailing list running and are open and willing to share there knowledge with others! Big big inspiration! Cheers, Jannis 2013/4/3 Jeff Larson > Mobius arranges input channels into stereo pairs called "ports". It look= s > like Ableton does the same, though they give them confusing names. > > Testing with Live Lite 8 on Windows, it appears that sending an Ableton > audio track output to "Track In" on the Mobius track sends it to what > Mobius calls Port 1, the first pair of stereo channels. Sending to "Left > in 2" sends to Mobius Port 2, "Left in 3" to Mobius Port 3, and "Left in = 4" > to Mobius port 4. > > But I can't get it to send to ports 5 - 8. This appears to be a Live > limitation, at least in the "Lite" version I have. > > Jeff > > ________________________________________ > From: Per Boysen [perboysen@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 5:11 PM > To: Loopers-Delight > Subject: Re: Mobius` Input ports in Ableton > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Todd Elliott wrote: > > I don't have live in front of me, but there are options to turn inputs = on > > and off in preferences/audio. It sounds like you don't have those > enabled. > > "Mobius / Global Parameters / Limits / Plugin Ports". > (set the number for how many ports the plugin will show Ableton Live) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > > > --bcaec53f9245e76e4104d978727b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks Jeff! That=B4s exactly what I tried to describe in = my not good enough english. Is there any way around it, if i still want to = use all my ableton instruments and effects?

Or does anyone know how to = change these ableton settings?

Or does anyone know a better way to loop and send out every instrument= on it=B4s own track and output so the loops stay "mixable" after= going through the looper?

I worked sooooo long on= this setup. It=B4s driving me crazy!

Btw. Thank you all for doing what you do! I=B4m so impr= essed by people like you, who keep this mailing list running and are open a= nd willing to share there knowledge with others! Big big inspiration!

Cheers,

Jannis

2013/4/3 Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com>

Mobius arranges input channels into stereo p= airs called "ports". =A0It looks like Ableton does the same, thou= gh they give them confusing names.

Testing with Live Lite 8 on Windows, it appears that sending an Ableton aud= io track output to "Track In" on the Mobius track sends it to wha= t Mobius calls Port 1, the first pair of stereo channels. =A0Sending to &qu= ot;Left in 2" sends to Mobius Port 2, "Left in 3" to Mobius = Port 3, and "Left in 4" to Mobius port 4.

But I can't get it to send to ports 5 - 8. =A0This appears to be a Live= limitation, at least in the "Lite" version I have.

Jeff

________________________________________
From: Per Boysen [perboysen@gmail.co= m]
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 5:11 PM
To: Loopers-Delight
Subject: Re: Mobius` Input ports in Ableton

On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Todd Elliott <toddbert@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't have live in front of me, but there are options to turn in= puts on
> and off in preferences/audio. It sounds like you don't have those<= br> enabled.

"Mobius / Global Parameters / Limits / Plugin Ports".
(set the number for how many ports the plugin will show Ableton Live)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen

--bcaec53f9245e76e4104d978727b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 18:04:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90F7E183516; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 18:04:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZwtNzWSpuEM5Qi5ePnfOBTly7qVCBnk6X8Cu/9lCkJ0=; b=g/e50VxpQeOdhFzu9/E33XfljAs5GH4EEMSwo0Z8wXFl2yqdEgDEHfpLSaLXVaMnKc VRl3/gOLsg0WggnkXiqUFvZA0/Rb65oeio4e639hohttzfoRrXhr/tg8zppSQCztO0yp HXQ9fnNC1taXKoZ74mjzMgrtDjd5SL0p6MtbvH0cu5J6rc5f78hENpvQP7Ws+ZIYQ5BF +SN456v6UZJWnooL/bXuqC/NC/21HradKzaxivoZeI6pqRsvMur1zBskZ8uQNMHvo+cu L6mxyAnNBmQTiyCqqA8Wbw20pvdBF9tenBFeW0TPvWKKKZlX+RVYwY0+lmTu83g2FS+h OC1w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.90.5 with SMTP id bs5mr2035508veb.60.1365012267716; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 11:04:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A778F3855B@SN2PRD0410MB384.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 20:04:27 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius` Input ports in Ableton From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 18:04:28 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 7:47 PM, jannis kempkens wrote: > Or does anyone know a better way to loop and send out every instrument on > it=C2=B4s own track and output so the loops stay "mixable" after going th= rough > the looper? No. You have to chose one or the other. Either you loop each instrument/ Ableton track on a mobius track of its own or you layer instruments/Ableton tracks in loops. I wouldn't say it is "better" but I prefer the second approach. My reason is that it IMO makes it easier to do a good performance because you can optimize the number of processes to handle (we only have two hands with five fingers each... in a performance like live looping and live mixing it is no help with a lot of options if you can't make use of them fast enough to put on an interesting show). I prefer to do "extreme remixing" in Mobius because when you have a lot of instruments summed in one stereo loop you can totally mangle it and always step back along the Undo/Redo history. This is the same performance approach that Richie Hawtin subscribes to, but he uses that Max 4 Live patch called Kapture that memorizes every damn knob setting in Live for instant recall ("Undo/Redo history"). I like Mobius instead because it is snappy while Kapture in Live adds more latency to your control commands the more parameters you are targeting. But if "more control to any cost" is your goal, I'd suggest you look up Kapture. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 18:58:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97213183517; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 18:58:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3609 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:58:04 UTC Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 12:57:39 -0500 (CDT) From: rdwfour@verizon.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <17841525.609995.1365011859774.JavaMail.root@vznit170184> Subject: Re: Re: unsubscribe me MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Verizon Webmail X-Originating-IP: [71.252.130.191] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 18:58:04 +0000 (UTC)

In the end the unsubscribed shall be set free...

On 04/03/13, Per Boysen<perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

Unsubscription...
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 19:01:15 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E39B918351A; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 19:01:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1365015674; bh=VOABEFrCmCBxdEIf1/UXT4DYcG4aY7LUfCx2y8YLBLo=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Subject:References:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=ojr+oHmWcLMNJMVJXkurfSbIQawaE6dOz27MhvJUCZM30EvKkJBIOPn+KCksnNloG/FgJ4H6sR66LN+2+pkm8gMewG8NMwuiUr9aP9TzP+UigmBOtHJCdh5tnuCyhrx9aYlWZ8YaS44fUaER/vh8nTH4AjylgeL5QcgIgzCuLl4= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 293664.73196.bm@smtp111-mob.biz.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: WTeNeRcVM1kjm4LqNB3g073USVmgXoYDTAkGn_HJVzbdZFP adLpsVPhPEzYRp3o1YDooRXD86nmIw17puP5n.Lm1ZaNAkcvObWKleXTrWWc BMJryULePlVdUOEAtr9bZUbFAtTzhiFKdO5w_mvSg0MpRVcyDhTImEyEtmEN rddlLz3ciGmSaUTElBDlTRCKjAsf50lUQEnbeeNNIqJAm9FVf7_auH6F7dvh 47huraJQJ8r5CNzyI9E7TE2jV.HmAFurzg5TDu08dQmjcS7MuQ1kExPwxX8a DEQN2ZiUMhiT9TpCnBvV9PWbE3YdVXT7qIvs.3mjp26b_EO6AQncCQ42BeNu 03RXYc34xqTDqsztV1xfYeFlrVrhphzR73KQHMh_TT8bQ5C0WWD37FBFhWtk BYF9ciWeIXkhgMg5nswE- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 7n7qsyGswBCgTbRPvUUz9QEYRfjrM9w1ZUA- X-Rocket-Received: from [192.168.178.21] (antony.hequet@77.185.44.230 with xymcookie) by smtp111-mob.biz.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Apr 2013 19:01:14 +0000 UTC Subject: Re: unsubscribe me References: <17841525.609995.1365011859774.JavaMail.root@vznit170184> From: Antony Hequet Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-161413146 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8J2) In-Reply-To: <17841525.609995.1365011859774.JavaMail.root@vznit170184> Message-Id: Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 21:01:07 +0200 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8J2) Resent-Message-ID: <_OmenC.A.bAG.7xHXRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 19:01:15 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-161413146 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oh goodie! Antony Hequet Poet composer On 3 avr. 2013, at 19:57, rdwfour@verizon.net wrote: > > In the end the unsubscribed shall be set free... > > On 04/03/13, Per Boysen wrote: > > Unsubscription... > Can one receive pure unsubscription now? > Who is giving it out? Is it free? Just like that? --Apple-Mail-4-161413146 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

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what rip off! Let's all unsuscribe and tatste eternal bliss in Valhalla!<= /span>

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---30515679-88434681-1365017577=:29853-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 22:41:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A024B183518; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 22:41:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3608 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 22:41:41 UTC X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-04-03_07:2013-04-03,2013-04-03,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1302030000 definitions=main-1304030229 Subject: Re: Mobius` Input ports in Ableton References: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A778F3855B@SN2PRD0410MB384.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

From: Andrrew Owens Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B329) In-reply-to: Message-id: Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 17:41:10 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable MIME-version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 22:41:41 +0000 (UTC) Howdy yall long time no post. Per, so like on My LP1 I can use my midi work s= urface and program a fader for vol control for each of the eight tracks of t= he LP1. You cant do that in Mobius/Ableton? Andy Owens= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 05:58:23 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D492A183517; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 05:58:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=tTNQO6cS3DefCZHqjrlRX2dmW+iQLzrZDFSVlIdDqRo=; b=KjGi6nOVd0IujHdG5rHcor7z87r14h24Iq6O1TNpQ+p5CD7Me+VgD+hQE7P3dZnFy0 dZH+mdlYSb3VUsUnSDr2+JkA50Y0i9ebDvNr4Kz6jD9txquhbLSFcw3XJwm8JV+KnNh4 LJB+lXqCbt7mPZeVyhRFrDyrASOuL5NwOlfQuVjokH9YPn4UTmKsvhTCofJ9qWTnB3PI dciUN1vc2FIvAl/QHhEslNrLCQYE1zyAiIgTjHO8RL14O/HEshn7znEZ6/D7XzgHaf8k tEH2//rtIA/kngGzTK/pBjeMJN2xjDVAvUDJRLLvpwoNUuScHCvvhy54y9MJR80awmvl 6TdQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.136.138 with SMTP id qa10mr9328298igb.74.1365055102650; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 22:58:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 22:58:22 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Synth sampling From: "kay'lon rushing" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013a26d87e0e5404d982a80e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 05:58:23 +0000 (UTC) --089e013a26d87e0e5404d982a80e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I dont have money for hardware. Hell I dont even have software lol. Thats why freeware is my pathway at the moment haha. On Apr 1, 2013 5:12 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > Hi Kay'lon, > > -- Reducing beating at sample loop point: > Many samplers have a function called "smooth", "crossfade" or similar. > This usually takes away the beating. Sometimes you need to set loop points > manually in order to listen and find two parts of the sample that sound > similar in timbre so you can place the Start Point and the Loop Point > there. > > Sampling longer snippets can also help. But in some rare cases the > opposite might be true; for example regarding plain wave forms where there > is no modulation happening in the sample. In that case I personally think > sampling just one or a few amplitudes of the wave form gives the best > options for treating a patch with the sampler's modulation arsenal. > > -- Best way to sample synth sounds: > This is all up to two factors: the accuracy you are aiming at and the > nature of the source sound to be sampled. For the highest accuracy you > should sample every half note. This will need a lot of disc space though > and also large RAM on your computer for the sampler to read in a > program/patch. One can listen to the synth and make decisions on maybe only > sample every third half note at parts of the range where notes do not > differ much. Myself I had good results with sampling every third half note > for the simple reason that I am not only a syntheist but also a samplist > and as a samplist you tend to like the way a sampler subtly changes the > sound of a sampled synth. This especially comes through in pad sounds where > there is some kind of cyclic modulation happening in the synth's source > sound; when a sampled note is played back in the sampler at a different > pitch such cyclic modulations will happen at a different speed and collide > with the modulations of other notes in a chord, resulting in a fatter sound > and more busy dynamic texture. > > Again, it can turn out useful if you keep in mind the possibility of > turning off the synth's modulation and just sample the raw wave form in > order to apply the future sampler's modulation to that. > > Some synth sounds rely totally on modulation, maybe an onboard filter, as > a "synth efffect" and in such a case you may want to just sample, two or > three "takes" of that particular effect. A full keyboard range sample > program would be way over the top here. > > I sampled all my analog synths before selling them and used a specific > application to carry out that task during a period of several hours/days. > THe app was called AutoSampler but I'm not sure it still is available > because Apple bought the company (and hopefully that awesome workflow will > become part of Logic in the future?). Sampling a huge library manual sucks > big time. There can't be enough rainy days on the planet for justifying > such a boring activity. > > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 6:03 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > >> Hey guys! Haven't been here in a long time. I haven't been looping much >> because of school and whatnot. Anyways, I downloaded this free >> multi-sampling plugin called TX16Wx. I'm wondering whats the best way to >> sample synth sounds? I need to reduce my cpu use and this might be the most >> efficient way. I keep having issues with crossfading the loop >> points because I get a beating/pulse sound. Is there a way >> to eliminate this issue? I have to set the crossfade points manually. >> >> -- >> http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238 >> >> My Music: - http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27 >> - www.soundcloud.com/k3z >> My Photography: http://www.flickr.com/photos/k3z/ >> >> >> > --089e013a26d87e0e5404d982a80e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I dont have money for hardware. Hell I dont even have software lol. That= s why freeware is my pathway at the moment haha.

On Apr 1, 2013 5:12 AM, "Per Boysen" &= lt;perboysen@gmail.com> wrote= :

Hi Kay'lon,

-- Reducing beating at = sample loop point:=A0
Many samplers have a function called "= smooth", "crossfade" or similar. This usually takes away the= beating. Sometimes you need to set loop points manually in order to listen= and find two parts of the sample that sound similar in timbre so you can p= lace the Start Point and the Loop Point there.=A0

Sampling longer snippets can also help. But in some rar= e cases the opposite might be true; for example regarding plain wave forms = where there is no modulation happening in the sample. In that case I person= ally think sampling just one or a few amplitudes of the wave form gives the= best options for treating a patch with the sampler's modulation arsena= l.=A0

-- Best way to sample synth sounds:
This is a= ll up to two factors: the accuracy you are aiming at and the nature of the = source sound to be sampled. For the highest accuracy you should sample ever= y half note. This will need a lot of disc space though and also large RAM o= n your computer for the sampler to read in a program/patch. One can listen = to the synth and make decisions on maybe only sample every third half note = at parts of the range where notes do not differ much. Myself I had good res= ults with sampling every third half note for the simple reason that I am no= t only a syntheist but also a samplist and as a samplist you tend to like t= he way a sampler subtly changes the sound of a sampled synth. This especial= ly comes through in pad sounds where there is some kind of cyclic modulatio= n happening in the synth's source sound; when a sampled note is played = back in the sampler at a different pitch such cyclic modulations will happe= n at a different speed and collide with the modulations of other notes in a= chord, resulting in a fatter sound and more busy dynamic texture.=A0

Again, it can turn out useful if you keep in mind the p= ossibility of turning off the synth's modulation and just sample the ra= w wave form in order to apply the future sampler's modulation to that.= =A0

Some synth sounds rely totally on modulation, maybe an = onboard filter, as a "synth efffect" and in such a case you may w= ant to just sample, two or three "takes" of that particular effec= t. A full keyboard range sample program would be way over the top here.=A0<= /div>

I sampled all my analog synths before selling them and = used a specific application to carry out that task during a period of sever= al hours/days. THe app was called AutoSampler but I'm not sure it still= is available because Apple bought the company (and hopefully that awesome = workflow will become part of Logic in the future?). Sampling a huge library= manual sucks big time. There can't be enough rainy days on the planet = for justifying such a boring activity.=A0

Gree= tings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen

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--089e013a26d87e0e5404d982a80e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 07:25:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0A8C183513; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 07:25:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1365060317; bh=4qr1pWqqbJL/2og/CzzIRB7wOFPPjEoJeaMl3rYPn9M=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:Subject:Content-Length:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:Importance:Date:Message-Id:MIME-Version:X-Mailer; b=PDkdUMugWmzLOuG0Y1iUXuy6RwosvtkT8gOA1qvGYz4M9/NY+me4aQVaXt+B1L812E5UmTfnFd1Y12mfqukXOjZyv4X6Ffqi8Y2ypKR4rtHaQj18kUTXemXxo9zljEgTG2Sp9KnWajXF5dwQFXsuY/KGWfYRqE6UNVnN59cnehw= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 474552.79142.bm@smtp144.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: rWJXbqUVM1m8yCwcI5OjhaQ..irv3MepepCUzPtFRMZcKww cD6iU9WwAbZMYakQc95KqTjvEEJi6GStrQd3ASxZ.XeGh2ujeyCw7199fLNt YJZCxJpX64O_rLEwKQ_sq26qRUK0uUNzQx.jiGJTTtzbwEPAKPm8p1sj5Ts1 LZ4TxKulKbDY1X.OX_1GHYlqiQtlwUJ_q4bB0hWKpUcGzcB5uOTVInYZAv_e KoL3ti1n3xRy7X0XTq_zhr0Q5FvwZvSiziapq34o1A_tc5zhXw88z9yQZXg8 d3PzcS7MitU7n11OUgMTIfWXQ8U0eT0KKsFCCaM3FwAQHbiGt2A_O45TUIaT c03.UJNUfYhvZFdL5PrKzLp34Daqk9GOHikhHmT_SHwzRavSFfdld8CGZkdO 3aFMMD9fM7YM9hMf_yJKNEGIXEXFRNZRWMuY5Don1eM1K4mIvZF5y.Mrkwym 8oUx0Z8PXv2EXIktHVHS7U3fNOtssWuAVdvxMEkjxImJlSU8b6dhKFdYnFb3 1zfzUy8.nqif7hPmOtPAWdn2DdhaLtKSJIQ.gJguNVADQbtvHu9kJ X-Yahoo-SMTP: 75CdczOswBChen.W3AbLhaW8TlC96TVo5w-- X-Rocket-Received: from yahoo.fr (benoitruelle@81.246.221.103 with login) by smtp144.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Apr 2013 00:25:17 -0700 PDT From: Ben To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: roland looper rc-505 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 09:25:17 +0200 Message-Id: <20130404092517.37993A70.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: nPOPuk Ver 3.01p1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 07:25:18 +0000 (UTC) Someone posted a pic yesterday. Here's the press release: http://www.rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=rc-505 Ben From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 08:36:18 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD61B183519; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 08:36:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:x-priority :in-reply-to:date:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to :x-mailer; bh=o6yxbU/5Bfrjk32mM7ux6kgTX6OH70GRD6sxRBQnvwo=; b=suwCEXSkGS6iR5ci3YvWsb81/lMW/gua5ctEJdgLNN/DpJSCj5hAKG72GK5BDnm7nu B9z5Uf3BDsIfR08LO1yMnLY+8SVwtprzV8LeNaL2srbvfoPAGREco76Zl004b4UMpyzM 3xa5h5HyPQ9ijY3n0q+199T4AdcnXJxAZvrIhLp3p2HNkyj8aFyQ7eFBgtGbB0perN1g O7VDb8qx0m00eZFdOGxAKWypa8KLt4PsOO5HwM/RzJXYoMRbDXqMvA9yemkTDZd+lr1Y Njq2v/gl7PL3M2XXaG2b5GtYHWw394dYYJQvNiqOuNSE0wuLMnCbQRf6O/WVgckQCypW cJww== X-Received: by 10.194.109.136 with SMTP id hs8mr8018957wjb.8.1365064577403; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 01:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: roland looper rc-505 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Simeon Harris X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <20130404092517.37993A70.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 09:36:14 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <90C25A84-0BD8-43C0-BE5D-B8AB8FBACC43@googlemail.com> References: <20130404092517.37993A70.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 08:36:18 +0000 (UTC) wow...that actually looks kinda cool roland...you surprise me! no feedback control, of course, but that would just be a dream too far... On 4 Apr 2013, at 08:25, Ben wrote: > Someone posted a pic yesterday. > > Here's the press release: > http://www.rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=rc-505 > > Ben > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 11:07:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10F6418351B; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:07:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=JlSQ1V+AfYTlBkz4XDKptb9MA8UZxA0YFRxS7qSUdIk=; b=iWiyEwAOQS+D1DwWvGGVves4hgP3zzTQVpYttQhUY3PM2UZqTnv7zPcHOlT9yy1F9k kJNfktrzvaW/HwqifASGUMQ9K6nf6UT4oy6LlPG9Tlwx81FTcqx/aUkOtL0NHU/pkaV8 JeB7RAysqdXTWr+HoOKEOLM2hosRefYSmYVOu0nbSlzRcP7OVIBGUZw/a/JDhStxJSuB XiOcrPC7c6I7ofjjfnLcceDs6xyYMAeE+LqX+/jGcSTCZaaUskvs6YqmASR4NULWhxsg klBoFH01ObjFlm+b0pAzVkqO+yU8eeW3FRf/Hio6oCIkl6kFQ1NpMUsRTd3VuGEIKzML adpA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.29.70 with SMTP id i6mr3578296vdh.98.1365073655243; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 04:07:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A778F3855B@SN2PRD0410MB384.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:07:35 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius` Input ports in Ableton From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:07:35 +0000 (UTC) Of course you can! Make your own choice whether you want to target tracks in Live or the specific loop tracks in Mobius. Whatever you want to control, make sure you set it to listen to the MIDI event your corresponding pedal is sending. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:41 PM, Andrrew Owens wrote: > Howdy yall long time no post. Per, so like on My LP1 I can use my midi work surface and program a fader for vol control for each of the eight tracks of the LP1. You cant do that in Mobius/Ableton? > > Andy Owens From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 11:51:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7474218351B; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:51:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=90JQNqDm2sf1+EMbQxfm/FGJH+tHbDaNGKCd0Aguuec=; b=sR6xy21Q2ZG8YEM9Zdkl0ya1JAo63AoCXk6NYRwLx59RBxEo8irkb9TJc/PxYpBReE vu8SPi9mILMU40CmbOzZD1B6NwczfNiBa0W1jUOD3uF/t5bgmQYL0ZP77QQtWaEaln6Q xGmqboJA9fgHdqgr/07nk8u4LD2K8Rzf6mMkghpDR47QAduU7Xd/y7IimALw9HNZP829 OEvp1uieyDa4IZHC/2K+o6wm/EIQzx285JFc9oBbXxnfyEds4il8E9XPTKpQ3QMSwxKz GdWjalR7Z4L+MALtxvr+8AwCNfqesR22zNHxHvqBNdI21/aOUitPvs9b5bJRjBwXUuaF qxUg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.248.200 with SMTP id mh8mr4367405vcb.51.1365076310697; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 04:51:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <90C25A84-0BD8-43C0-BE5D-B8AB8FBACC43@googlemail.com> References: <20130404092517.37993A70.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> <90C25A84-0BD8-43C0-BE5D-B8AB8FBACC43@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:51:50 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: roland looper rc-505 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <3If08C.A.zqE.XlWXRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:51:51 +0000 (UTC) Nice box. For us non octopus mutants that happen to play a different instrument than The One Voice this and a Gordius Little Giant would go quite far. Amazing array of effects too! The chosen effects are the same I have several times set up on laptop systems but the CPU recourses has always been a limitation, as well as the heavy time investment required to set up all signal paths and control assignments. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Simeon Harris wrote: > wow...that actually looks kinda cool > > roland...you surprise me! > > no feedback control, of course, but that would just be a dream too far... > > On 4 Apr 2013, at 08:25, Ben wrote: > >> Someone posted a pic yesterday. >> >> Here's the press release: >> http://www.rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=rc-505 >> >> Ben >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 11:55:16 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48FF518351F; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:55:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=W2VBq8+95QA8Y3CBQfP7AodECBsqp2YTar+mQF1dSPc=; b=ae6KrpSV3CbKtjcQW5hbJ11rJC8+Huiblii6ZULzIP4LRKpahmhAIx2GFfsUkCYbF+ g6j3oxAAT+KPD5GRvORyWGP8WnjUBx5qkl3jCYKLFSN9F7ZjTrKI8WtiXQqpff9oaNpd m7L75GJl7bUIxI9VMyWO1xeTEigr/iSY/CcoHa+bo9GUrM1kNOBHdy+UxCp8+Fvs5CPK uh9dzRqeHrXQhPK/scKWY73azuK95P9wz1+WEn9uLMZyo4CqiKtEGFc1D4n6FmMn83uv Z++FRARDY48oGN5pHGk44u5b2FLoEyG/mOFgTr9YwCqDIzMinqOmXKD1VMcUU3cjEy/I vpEQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.176.138 with SMTP id ci10mr3814496vdc.35.1365076515494; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 04:55:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:55:15 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Synth sampling From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:55:16 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 7:58 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > I dont have money for hardware. Hell I dont even have software lol. Thats > why freeware is my pathway at the moment haha. The only hardware I was talking about in my post was the analog synths I was selling after having sampled their sounds :-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 12:01:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1576418351C; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:01:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <32D374A10B594B69A06C7F38B3455F65@ELUS1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20130404092517.37993A70.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr><90C25A84-0BD8-43C0-BE5D-B8AB8FBACC43@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: roland looper rc-505 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 08:01:41 -0400 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 X-Authenticated-User: spgoodman@earthlight.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:01:30 +0000 (UTC) I don't see any information about how many seconds of loopage it can store. -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 7:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: roland looper rc-505 Nice box. For us non octopus mutants that happen to play a different instrument than The One Voice this and a Gordius Little Giant would go quite far. Amazing array of effects too! The chosen effects are the same I have several times set up on laptop systems but the CPU recourses has always been a limitation, as well as the heavy time investment required to set up all signal paths and control assignments. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Simeon Harris wrote: > wow...that actually looks kinda cool > > roland...you surprise me! > > no feedback control, of course, but that would just be a dream too far... > > On 4 Apr 2013, at 08:25, Ben wrote: > >> Someone posted a pic yesterday. >> >> Here's the press release: >> http://www.rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=rc-505 >> >> Ben >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 12:50:27 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A775218351C; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:50:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-04-04_05:2013-04-04,2013-04-04,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1302030000 definitions=main-1304040090 Subject: Re: Mobius` Input ports in Ableton References: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A778F3855B@SN2PRD0410MB384.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

From: Andrrew Owens Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B329) In-reply-to: Message-id: <60D0C08F-027F-4AB9-ADC9-7DCAEE3BBB04@icloud.com> Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:50:21 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable MIME-version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:50:27 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Per, I am thinking I need to make the plunge to laptop, my rig with m= y LP1 is so huge its hard to travel with, I need to hire someone to build me= a virtual LP1 in Live and Mobius!! Any takers? Andy On Apr 4, 2013, at 7:07 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Of course you can! Make your own choice whether you want to target > tracks in Live or the specific loop tracks in Mobius. Whatever you > want to control, make sure you set it to listen to the MIDI event your > corresponding pedal is sending. > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:41 PM, Andrrew Owens wrote= : >> Howdy yall long time no post. Per, so like on My LP1 I can use my midi wo= rk surface and program a fader for vol control for each of the eight tracks o= f the LP1. You cant do that in Mobius/Ableton? >>=20 >> Andy Owens >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 14:02:48 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D860618351E; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:02:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=coo8EoCPGsZeroFZ9zo2ruljJkFy/klUEqNlLVi1XCg=; b=IoG+f1uNJjBEZqglXZXdLBR5W1Ssxf28HPsw3SIoIZXQzfMQjpyNEcgWdX+eIUep0T OIDSZ2qkePUBCbi+qCXfHE+9wqWIb95tnI2FSX8M94VbYrxtcJm42fD1OkZsz4fLdHXe JeklqK7S8Mk26YtJI0sCyCN3wCY7vjgLgxVlMJgqYmICfIgVCrqpMZ4qzQmZizUgnPl4 pD6rXINXflXzCAulty8ap4xMVNJUEQteuHRc4T/alyiFRKz7I4ZYbxdZ08vyrzOgVjg/ plEgIeHV8auoav8yS1Hj6Et4zl+Ij+4dWRrar4VV/fMQId16CfUKlGN4tL/GaW1AsreK 7mqg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.136.138 with SMTP id qa10mr10253643igb.74.1365084167712; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 07:02:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 07:02:47 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Synth sampling From: "kay'lon rushing" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013a26d8e7b6c904d9896caf Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:02:48 +0000 (UTC) --089e013a26d8e7b6c904d9896caf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Per: I was responding to whoever's name is "Yahoo Inc." Todd: Im sure i'll sound dumb, but what is a zero point? On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:55 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 7:58 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > > I dont have money for hardware. Hell I dont even have software lol. Thats > > why freeware is my pathway at the moment haha. > > The only hardware I was talking about in my post was the analog synths > I was selling after having sampled their sounds :-)) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > -- http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238 My Music: - http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27 - www.soundcloud.com/k3z My Photography: http://www.flickr.com/photos/k3z/ --089e013a26d8e7b6c904d9896caf Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Per: I was responding to whoever's name is "Yahoo= Inc." Todd: Im sure i'll sound dumb, but what is a zero point?

On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:55 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:

On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 7:58 AM, kay'lon rushing <<= a href=3D"mailto:k3zz21@gmail.com">k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:
> I dont have money for hardware. Hell I dont even have software lol. Th= ats
> why freeware is my pathway at the moment haha.

The only hardware I was talking about in my post was the analog synth= s
I was selling after having sampled their sounds :-))

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen

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My Music:= - htt= p://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27
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--089e013a26d8e7b6c904d9896caf-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 14:37:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A8E918351C; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:37:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=eLhSn5ThLfKausPxUejCUMmHkhagKab13KjuhZTbb+o=; b=dceubKBdUVELip3Rii3oBBI8ygqxj1BEr+sOZ+lwD6O9rMm+h2Nq0OqeUAPpNq2VNT VK7V6saS2HDEOgxurg6SnxiPgA+b0qVsdCAV0wx2Thrm2LMrPF5rI/42LmCSA/Ob24ZJ 5+oX0dWPXLvxCOvwuZS0D9EnG6ZjfXAjPzVNEpzqKkoCvD9WdxlB4OLhb9TobFQ6sItq h5QL3Gnd9XCRRv7GEbrh39Doo8N/lwuWbA3D4e1507AcocAXX3vqvvd8kWeSFi32Txkh rSPnmO8dSGUmtfCTF+0w1DjKHhs802iFxvjGd6NrsPcXyfDBCQVQH8kdSolJsnxoSgXN CPwg== X-Received: by 10.66.248.193 with SMTP id yo1mr9823726pac.120.1365086221766; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 07:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-231960813 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Synth sampling Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 07:36:57 -0700 References:

X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:37:02 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-231960813 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Apr 4, 2013, at 7:02 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > Im sure i'll sound dumb, but what is a zero point? Hi Not Todd, but zero point is sort of the median between positive and negative range of the waveform. Check out "zero crossing" in Wikipedia. The zero point is what the fade out goes to. The audio editor I use has an auto-snap to zero point option for making selections of audio. I suspect most editors, even free ones have a similar option, maybe found under Preferences or Tools or some sub-menu. BobC --Apple-Mail-1-231960813 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Apr 4, 2013, = at 7:02 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote:

Im sure i'll = sound dumb, but what is a zero = point?

Not Todd, but = zero point is sort of the median between positive and negative range of = the waveform. Check out "zero crossing" in = Wikipedia.

The zero point is what the fade out goes = to.

The audio editor I use has an auto-snap to zero point = option for making selections of audio.

I suspect most = editors, even free ones have a similar option, maybe found under = Preferences or Tools or some = sub-menu.

BobC

= --Apple-Mail-1-231960813-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 15:16:33 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4371818351B; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:16:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ojt74fszBhEVjWoJS19fAD+gCNHfBX74tO9Qi500AVE=; b=sbZR5Pka60NmyscJxyIDoeAgyRQnBIvoeavQYTWXneQ/0I4Y/IjctPkR45rVWTl2Z5 iveoefm3sLpPHKT5IUrW8nDpvguY6YRPb1penalwbBEUSRmy3GbMLwI6CNyEue07XCQ1 ZsBMeJxOfzgODPT65m3oEMHomsUmYVurout/nlIb0h6latg7aQ/gIaC3D12ad50iN5ih 2hOrJpYg8SPXGKN5US9/fBF6FzWMRWPuBxOVdQ6KYqOoggLw6/Gm2hhr2Y8fRB00Vbzc zv7JNUY4l/dIQC3OCUkaUgVVgtkG4W9u4uDDVZaT5cW3vyk0YO9vCTZtb6IR/KH3LtdZ sauQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.129.3 with SMTP id ns3mr10102773igb.41.1365088592527; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:16:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 08:16:32 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Synth sampling From: Todd Elliott To: "loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b4147b4a50a5004d98a74d9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:16:33 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b4147b4a50a5004d98a74d9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What Bob said. You can also look for it manually by zooming way in on the sample and finding the spot where a zero crossing occurs, and cutting there-- it's been a long time since I used audacity (which was my free editor of choice), but I think you could accomplish it with that. T On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 7:36 AM, RP Collier wrote: > > On Apr 4, 2013, at 7:02 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > > Im sure i'll sound dumb, but what is a zero point? > > > Hi > > Not Todd, but zero point is sort of the median between positive and > negative range of the waveform. Check out "zero crossing" in Wikipedia. > The zero point is what the fade out goes to. > The audio editor I use has an auto-snap to zero point option for making > selections of audio. > I suspect most editors, even free ones have a similar option, maybe found > under Preferences or Tools or some sub-menu. > > BobC > -- http://toaster.bandcamp.com --047d7b4147b4a50a5004d98a74d9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What Bob said. You can also look for it manually by zoomin= g way in on the sample and finding the spot where a zero crossing occurs, a= nd cutting there-- it's been a long time since I used audacity (which w= as my free editor of choice), but I think you could accomplish it with that= .

On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 7:36 AM, RP Collier <sk= eptikalist@gmail.com> wrote:

On Apr 4, 2013, at 7:02 AM, kay'lon rushing wro= te:

Im sure i'll sound dumb, but what is a zero point?
Hi

Not Todd, but zero point is sort of t= he median between positive and negative range of the waveform. Check out &q= uot;zero crossing" in Wikipedia.=A0
The zero point is what t= he fade out goes to.

The audio editor I use has an auto-snap to zero point option for makin= g selections of audio.=A0
I suspect most editors, even free ones = have a similar option, maybe found under Preferences or Tools or some sub-m= enu.

BobC=A0

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http://toaster.bandcamp.com

--047d7b4147b4a50a5004d98a74d9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 16:18:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FC0318351B; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:18:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ol/KA2znegiqbAtEWJUzoUzwOdoeguOQLxIQrSmRXK4=; b=Wu0NU0tEmuVstoGFsc29dAYg2zSWfCvp1Rc/K6PpaAbLMRrUtuKdtDxhPAuauryixv 6O9yld05yQhboL35vAtOer6Mq3SeMJBey5TxiWqAu8hn+GFUxbxPD3UOUZRb24QYJN42 7wc1sUvpSJlvYnzBydX0+pHGWoskOBrGXU8XYD88tm9ICUVzeXvKbBevpPAl2vOpgBtV OzW9A731eg4gK+444ACl0SXKqWpCSRnLpXXsLkhDUJgd6quUcgpFumHzXwaV2Mh16XP3 5T1dIIt1dqV+zdZKJxvSIGAV6g/LPikG4rAOx9QNUNKN10yVjwhYbQZX+btlwkJYntXA q76A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.135.131 with SMTP id ps3mr3434940oeb.131.1365092317138; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 09:18:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:18:37 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: roland looper rc-505 From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b33cde8a6181404d98b52f6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:18:38 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b33cde8a6181404d98b52f6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i'll have to read the specs more closely. but this looks promising. i just wish there was a SPEED KNOB to adjust the speed of the loop. that would be AWESOME! but i guess the 5 loops and that it's hand operated, for me makes it interesting.... wonder what the price will be? probably out of my range for now....i'm sure... oh well...nice to see something new put out... s--- re: Someone posted a pic yesterday. Here's the press release:http://www.rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=rc-505 --047d7b33cde8a6181404d98b52f6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

i'll have to read the specs more c= losely. but this looks promising.

i just wish there was a SPEED KN= OB to adjust the speed of the loop. that would be AWESOME!

but i g= uess the 5 loops and that it's hand operated, for me makes it interesti= ng....
wonder what the price will be?

probably out of my range for now...= .i'm sure...

oh well...nice to see something new put out...s---

re:

Someone poste=
d a pic yesterday.

Here's the press release:
http://www.rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=3Drc-505

--047d7b33cde8a6181404d98b52f6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 16:31:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF5F718351A; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:31:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 781335.26426.bm@omp1042.mail.ir2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1365093094; bh=etFN+i8XRXvAzgAZVvGUGhCY4gcT8AgYV05uMWolqRE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wSM+Q1pj7ntW56afA0Co/NIeETZx6hZSi5uskVXuy/+yIi3QrTt6p3aMqzHFnrkUXq5n1SHypZLxNhGwsoQl39r6/Oo4Wmf494dUQNwLf1wHgF2/alBj2i9wgCwtfCblkaeS/MG3PifIpK2YGq+RIh0ac+4hsJy1PRsTwQ+bQYM= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PwxQaFQ9HJXYfY8Qy2JrBNt+H1UYitMPF3tfSqRhXH55DodqguzNevNhqgNglKA6RIdYA5UVayths3FRwCaV3iVtZvwY7kd/cXvX1ADgS0t76PXJjqGzTxiAh5HO+orDSee+D8dd7CBZ6ocpaDTdyRLmIymj82Gv3VItwp95+qo=; X-YMail-OSG: Xl8OJqcVM1mOlYWaxeptr_f7NhHtG1BY3bLvAYyQTVNBOhG CHmYmpNVPk7F7wYBwTKLnKpznfem_zO9xVYhZLFUak_oQb_ptjpqE6TPxQXq nU8Fa079x1o5kAY7KXsbhgC6c3Gk03jtcLlDj_kQpAMIxiRXsmMPvFGaRm45 T756cdQRlD7xhi7ROH_QCwmkaffGqKHvPKI7otCh0uaEagqKU7gSo33HaGdF j_b_QAfH3NPW9e25SgZh5bg93JdOp2vvm9mzg_cI9xqufJsDSahWTV7Uh5fH UMQVwuOtmMrcfFpQlIwNWQWpy8Qxw10_ZXgZLwq2e4lI3pIAYdvsKKKuOEfX DePKo10osnXG7_Z7wZgURnnfBOnjuf.sKvf68COTiDxoP7q.DTbvcw5uEsvl r4PmQxNtWabUelEydjCSsATraWfJm7vg5sMEUsHusqMmF1e65y7MyTKHN0f0 z5HNe9WJEZnZJ4nv25NKkIRktCzBqDDvY6jAIm2qbfuwqwDz47gJcWiwle8R 7TsHBARm04_rTfhyyYxAohofbdVsBxfvBkb0imOJw X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,ZGlkIHlvdSBmaW5kIGFueXRoaW5nIG91dCBhYm91dCB0aGUgdG90YWwgc2FtcGxpbmcgdGltZT8KCkFudG9ueSBIZXF1ZXQKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRGXCoDogU2NvdHQgSGFuc2VuIDxldmFucGVld2VlQGdtYWlsLmNvbT4Kw4DCoDogTG9vcGVycy1EZWxpZ2h0QGxvb3BlcnMtZGVsaWdodC5jb20gCkVudm95w6kgbGUgOiBKZXVkaSA0IGF2cmlsIDIwMTMgMThoMTgKT2JqZXTCoDogcm9sYW5kIGxvb3BlciByYy01MDUKIAoKaSdsbCBoYXZlIHRvIHJlYWQgdGhlIHNwZWMBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.140.532 References: Message-ID: <1365093094.54024.YahooMailNeo@web171704.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 17:31:34 +0100 (BST) From: Antony Hequet Reply-To: Antony Hequet Subject: Re: roland looper rc-505 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="147469114-1625225295-1365093094=:54024" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:31:36 +0000 (UTC) --147469114-1625225295-1365093094=:54024 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable did you find anything out about the total sampling time?=0A=0AAntony Hequet= =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A De=A0: Scott Hansen =0A=C0=A0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0AEnvoy=E9 le := Jeudi 4 avril 2013 18h18=0AObjet=A0: roland looper rc-505=0A =0A=0Ai'll ha= ve to read the specs more closely. but this looks promising.=0Ai just wish = there was a SPEED KNOB to adjust the speed of the loop. that would be AWESO= ME!=0Abut i guess the 5 loops and that it's hand operated, for me makes it = interesting....=0Awonder what the price will be?=0Aprobably out of my range= for now....i'm sure...=0Aoh well...nice to see something new put out...=0A= s---=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Are:=0A=0ASomeone posted a pic yesterday. Here's the p= ress release: http://www.rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=3Drc-505 --147469114-1625225295-1365093094=:54024 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

did you find anything out about the total sampling time?

Anto= ny Hequet

= De : Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com>
=C0= : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Envoy=E9 le : Jeudi 4 avril 2013 18h18 Objet : roland loo= per rc-505

i'll have to read the specs more closely. but this looks promising.<= br>

i just wish there was a SPEED KNOB to adjust the speed of the loop= . that would be AWESOME!

but i guess the 5 loops and that it's han= d operated, for me makes it interesting....
=0Awonder what the price wil= l be?

probably out of my range for now....i'm sure...

oh = well...nice to see something new put out...
s---

re:

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s the press release:=0Ahttp://www.rolandconnect.com=
/product.php?p=3Drc-505

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--147469114-1625225295-1365093094=:54024-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 17:51:31 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FB5B183519; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 17:51:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 526565.30309.bm@omp1054.mail.ir2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1365097889; bh=Oce5PGJEhDD4rFO7+THsPmoWkf2Y3STBitfj5J9aXUA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=aCGbmQJdbw5kbg9J4ThN1ZUNH3erXLRQK2KmXyQdtP1AtUIDfdmv9sBj4snO/89z3uMWn/3xxzCyrKf2PSrUatpJFI/xUoSvQGkzzLevFk/lrGL7EKRXHCc9K9Nfz/8xWv/9Noucn8u3Xk9E98lhFvu/dR3vcYMILGDhKmpSKis= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3h92UE5vMY4LkOU0JfQ4MhjebSI3l9x+Ws04fFB7sdoC5rgjCumWIWmrcse6VmmUnBS4Pd2leMbUcTGH0jNv564WUvKnolQcmMSfxxIQpls9uNROeWuB5gprKQgOXtqsO+6vwGoKwNRDA7sWdH2GlDvIqIAgmc96DvC/6ZLBbkI=; X-YMail-OSG: _cL.uScVM1mQ3pGAPoQKFeFecgcDepDPT1J1l2x.2TVvUiV Bf3lAVIY.1LuA4po6JCrrFUNCkQQZGgleRSQvRDE9KdFlpVQTIEhgdGz0HhY 16POSqDYC_gdesZrh7ZfRVYY4k5qXpZIOOCAQse8YFF5jh6oLbtiGNBYRgj7 IDKcBTarYrPBb3tAU7l..0I2Kf9kNVKP.yjP5.k6J1jfY9BXDkAJx9ykiyPm bndcXP12qcrdkpkzadK6WAG3d89osfJiGPiWrmH.EZDCGZ2zcekWf.mUFNuh wBP7vSTXsIOKT_SmtmRFr1WEIxncublC56zHz6ObnF_k16KVHPdAb4frz30D L5IRYjOr.hBnwmwhM3M.CSFN8uFcIcHjkZnaWzwonLM6bz2r5iM8COxo1aNi jNGN2Jzh0ULOS0I498JU4rEKseDqcdoaqJiWK1GZwWdoTayhb4FgeSy1N_Ni Fp57W1dY.en.509CRY.o6OlKfmpsiXhXheHxHR1eEYxxRL1ueHBwdZI48Lt4 osZR8lAPcPebY3hfVdfl82bJGjCUVJKENYDQmrRJs X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,VGhlIFJDLTUwNSBpcyBlcXVpcHBlZCB3aXRoIGZpdmUgcGhyYXNlIHRyYWNrcyB0aGF0IGNhbiBwbGF5IHNpbXVsdGFuZW91c2x5LCB0aGUgbW9zdCB5ZXQgaW4gYSBCT1NTIExvb3AgU3RhdGlvbi4gSW5kZXBlbmRlbnQgcmVjb3JkL292ZXJkdWIvcGxheSBhbmQgc3RvcCBidXR0b25zIGZvciBlYWNoIHRyYWNrIGxldCB1c2VycyBjYXB0dXJlIGxvb3AgcGVyZm9ybWFuY2VzIHdpdGggZWFzeSBmaW5nZXJ0aXAgY29udHJvbC4gRGVkaWNhdGVkIHZvbHVtZSBmYWRlcnMgYWxsb3cgZm9yIHF1aWNrIGxldmVsIGEBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.140.532 References: Message-ID: <1365097889.11308.YahooMailNeo@web171706.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:51:29 +0100 (BST) From: Antony Hequet Reply-To: Antony Hequet Subject: Re: roland looper rc-505 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1708739093-1970143991-1365097889=:11308" Resent-Message-ID: <18k8AD.A.m4H.i2bXRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 17:51:31 +0000 (UTC) --1708739093-1970143991-1365097889=:11308 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The RC-505 is equipped with five phrase tracks that can play simultaneously= , the most yet in a BOSS Loop Station. Independent record/overdub/play and = stop buttons for each track let users capture loop performances with easy f= ingertip control. Dedicated volume faders allow for quick level adjustment = of track playback, while the ALL START/STOP button controls all five loop p= hrases with a single command. Up to three hours of stereo recording is poss= ible in a single track.=0A=0A=0A=0AAntony Hequet=0Apoet composer walkyrie t= amer=0A=0A________________________________=0A De=A0: Scott Hansen =0A=C0=A0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0AEnvoy=E9 le = : Jeudi 4 avril 2013 18h18=0AObjet=A0: roland looper rc-505=0A =0A=0Ai'll h= ave to read the specs more closely. but this looks promising.=0Ai just wish= there was a SPEED KNOB to adjust the speed of the loop. that would be AWES= OME!=0Abut i guess the 5 loops and that it's hand operated, for me makes it= interesting....=0Awonder what the price will be?=0Aprobably out of my rang= e for now....i'm sure...=0Aoh well...nice to see something new put out...= =0As---=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Are:=0A=0ASomeone posted a pic yesterday. Here's th= e press release: http://www.rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=3Drc-505 --1708739093-1970143991-1365097889=:11308 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Th= e RC-505 is equipped with five phrase tracks that can play simultaneously, = the most yet in a BOSS Loop Station. Independent record/overdub/play and st= op buttons for each track let users capture loop performances with easy fin= gertip control. Dedicated volume faders allow for quick level adjustment of= track playback, while the ALL START/STOP button controls all five loop phr= ases with a single command. Up to three = hours of stereo recording is possible in a single track.
<= /span>

Antony Hequet

poet composer walkyrie tamer

De : Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com> =C0 : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Envoy=E9 le : Jeudi 4 avril 2013 18h18
Objet : roland looper rc-505

i'll have = to read the specs more closely. but this looks promising.

i just w= ish there was a SPEED KNOB to adjust the speed of the loop. that would be A= WESOME!

but i guess the 5 loops and that it's hand operated, for m= e makes it interesting....
=0Awonder what the price will be?

pr= obably out of my range for now....i'm sure...

oh well...nice to se= e something new put out...
s---

=
re:

Someone posted a pic yesterday.=0A=0AHere's the press relea=
se:=0Ahttp://www.rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=3D=
rc-505

=0A

--1708739093-1970143991-1365097889=:11308-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 18:13:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C50418351A; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:13:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 339 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 18:13:52 UTC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_217A8268-310B-4B33-8F06-4F7BC3F1996D" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 $1503$) Subject: Re: roland looper rc-505 From: Tristan Zand In-Reply-To: <1365097889.11308.YahooMailNeo@web171706.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 20:08:08 +0200 Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-Id: <4FDD8010-078B-40C3-B91B-87249BD34FB8@zzz.ch> References: <1365097889.11308.YahooMailNeo@web171706.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> To: Antony Hequet X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:13:53 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_217A8268-310B-4B33-8F06-4F7BC3F1996D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 wow I can't wait to record a loop of three hours in a single track.. ;) Z http://zzz.ch http://loopr.net On 4 avr. 2013, at 19:51, Antony Hequet wrote: > The RC-505 is equipped with five phrase tracks that can play = simultaneously, the most yet in a BOSS Loop Station. Independent = record/overdub/play and stop buttons for each track let users capture = loop performances with easy fingertip control. Dedicated volume faders = allow for quick level adjustment of track playback, while the ALL = START/STOP button controls all five loop phrases with a single command. = Up to three hours of stereo recording is possible in a single track. >=20 >=20 > Antony Hequet > poet composer walkyrie tamer > De : Scott Hansen > =C0 : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 > Envoy=E9 le : Jeudi 4 avril 2013 18h18 > Objet : roland looper rc-505 >=20 > i'll have to read the specs more closely. but this looks promising. > i just wish there was a SPEED KNOB to adjust the speed of the loop. = that would be AWESOME! > but i guess the 5 loops and that it's hand operated, for me makes it = interesting.... > wonder what the price will be? > probably out of my range for now....i'm sure... > oh well...nice to see something new put out... > s--- >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > re: > Someone posted a pic yesterday. >=20 > Here's the press release: > http://www.rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=3Drc-505 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_217A8268-310B-4B33-8F06-4F7BC3F1996D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 wow I = can't wait to record a loop of three hours in a single track.. = ;)

http://zzz.ch

http://loopr.net

On 4 avr. 2013, at 19:51, Antony Hequet <antony.hequet@yahoo.fr> = wrote:

The RC-505 is equipped = with five phrase tracks that can play simultaneously, the most yet in a = BOSS Loop Station. Independent record/overdub/play and stop buttons for = each track let users capture loop performances with easy fingertip = control. Dedicated volume faders allow for quick level adjustment of = track playback, while the ALL START/STOP button controls all five loop = phrases with a single command. Up to = three hours of stereo recording is possible in a single = track.

poet composer = walkyrie tamer
=
De := Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com>
= =C0 : Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
Envoy=E9 le = : Jeudi 4 avril 2013 18h18
Objet : roland looper rc-505

=
i'll have to = read the specs more closely. but this looks promising.
i just = wish there was a SPEED KNOB to adjust the speed of the loop. that would = be AWESOME!
but i guess the 5 loops and that it's hand = operated, for me makes it interesting....
wonder what the price will be?
probably out of my range for = now....i'm sure...
oh well...nice to see something new put = out...
s---
re:
Someone posted a pic =
yesterday.

Here's the press release:
http://www.ro=
landconnect.com/product.php?p=3Drc-505
=

= --Apple-Mail=_217A8268-310B-4B33-8F06-4F7BC3F1996D-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 18:14:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87926183520; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:14:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1365099288; bh=Z+lx9dARDZNGYjOvgGeSVnGJ8+Rao2uNalOmApZnW7o=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Subject:References:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=bCY4PPEj41LJD5PN98QMbpWgZzAsXkNaU3tv5hgRpke+Ese6dx4RQVpuHEdYOG+vxpQUNF9dqtx7UTpMsILnoCNxNYs5NLXwTkge/PRiLvyWs74xpXThJAJWCvHI6hqx8zWawL1NYS1Z9Hb+xV8lnZG0rdLn1eqv3uTkIyaIq6M= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 528879.84671.bm@smtp106-mob.biz.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 0rdilMoVM1kY92V0OxxxnrtbI_T0Lr2V3UcCfGkC9kH0p8U jPID7rFdR4r.M8l9YtPq79fF8.Jq7q3r_LAw3pV2UlPL.V7WjVcUkCfXlmk9 Kgs8VyotWLp.5GPdMHVg4O4QYT2_g2iI4dHEvrHdAHkSKZWW15a_TqPA2KCd hmIkw1R68ONl36t_0Iu.5xzgKlhXTAco5xQTrniP8VznMR4tu9.fwh.P1ZtR .r2NV2fgmuaoe.U.zbPFbFkcyLzZIdQab41cWhIcUG2eWo.vZtXjeRKhRUlZ 6koGwKoFbaOjSZQELdXOB0G5K7NGPLUC01V4_PopmGZks5HhpoypbazvWJnn _1NK4m21I3d1QkrF8KxHByNuhuymN7u6krzAiofMtd.hogcuGv_srciSPDax p.M3uPubAbkEVjQOqmxy_9PsxXGyB_Tk2IO06tbd5Fu_8X5bmcwxFgG7.53D BHdHjm_DnVArpMdZ4.Ja2T.9PRlXWNJ874CNh4zIYfmHCAzGfMmiUafCjAyM HKeHO3mey5WEKdKBVf3h.i.nBJoyqclwhkXsAIyNHyV20Behk4rOeXgqoDdp ofhowbdc- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 7n7qsyGswBCgTbRPvUUz9QEYRfjrM9w1ZUA- X-Rocket-Received: from [192.168.178.21] (antony.hequet@77.185.44.230 with xymcookie) by smtp106-mob.biz.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Apr 2013 18:14:48 +0000 UTC Subject: Re: roland looper rc-505 References: <1365097889.11308.YahooMailNeo@web171706.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FDD8010-078B-40C3-B91B-87249BD34FB8@zzz.ch> From: Antony Hequet Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9-245031254 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8J2) In-Reply-To: <4FDD8010-078B-40C3-B91B-87249BD34FB8@zzz.ch> Message-Id: Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 20:14:45 +0200 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8J2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:14:50 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9-245031254 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 You better breathe boy:-) Antony Hequet Poet composer On 4 avr. 2013, at 20:08, Tristan Zand wrote: > wow I can't wait to record a loop of three hours in a single track.. ;) > Z > http://zzz.ch > http://loopr.net >=20 > On 4 avr. 2013, at 19:51, Antony Hequet wrote: >=20 >> The RC-505 is equipped with five phrase tracks that can play simultaneous= ly, the most yet in a BOSS Loop Station. Independent record/overdub/play and= stop buttons for each track let users capture loop performances with easy f= ingertip control. Dedicated volume faders allow for quick level adjustment o= f track playback, while the ALL START/STOP button controls all five loop phr= ases with a single command. Up to three hours of stereo recording is possibl= e in a single track. >>=20 >>=20 >> Antony Hequet >> poet composer walkyrie tamer >> De : Scott Hansen >> =C3=80 : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 >> Envoy=C3=A9 le : Jeudi 4 avril 2013 18h18 >> Objet : roland looper rc-505 >>=20 >> i'll have to read the specs more closely. but this looks promising. >> i just wish there was a SPEED KNOB to adjust the speed of the loop. that w= ould be AWESOME! >> but i guess the 5 loops and that it's hand operated, for me makes it inte= resting.... >> wonder what the price will be? >> probably out of my range for now....i'm sure... >> oh well...nice to see something new put out... >> s--- >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> re: >> Someone posted a pic yesterday. >>=20 >> Here's the press release: >> http://www.rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=3Drc-505 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-9-245031254 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

You better breathe boy:-)

Antony= Hequet

Poet composer

On 4 avr. 2013, at 20:08, Tris= tan Zand <zzz@zzz.ch> wrote:

=

wow I can't wait to record <= b>a loop of three hours in a single track.. ;)
Z
htt= p://zzz.ch
http://loopr.net
On 4 avr. 2013, at 19:51, Antony Hequet <antony.heq= uet@yahoo.fr> wrote:
The RC-505 is equipped with five phrase tracks that can p= lay simultaneously, the most yet in a BOSS Loop Station. Independent record/= overdub/play and stop buttons for each track let users capture loop performa= nces with easy fingertip control. Dedicated volume faders allow for quick le= vel adjustment of track playback, while the ALL START/STOP button controls a= ll five loop phrases with a single command. Up to three hours of stereo recording is possible in a single track.
Antony Hequet
poet composer= walkyrie tamer
De : Scott Hansen <evanpeewe= e@gmail.com>
=C3=80&nbs= p;: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Envoy=C3=A9 le : Je= udi 4 avril 2013 18h18
Objet = : roland looper rc-505
i'll have to read the specs more= closely. but this looks promising.
i just wish there was a SPEED K= NOB to adjust the speed of the loop. that would be AWESOME!
but i g= uess the 5 loops and that it's hand operated, for me makes it interesting...= .
wonder what the price will be?
probably out of my range for now....= i'm sure...
oh well...nice to see something new put out...
s---<= br>
re:
Someone posted a pic yesterday.

Here's the press release:
http://www.rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=3Drc-505
=
= --Apple-Mail-9-245031254-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 18:20:09 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D28BA18351D; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:20:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=QTD2ISalKP+wuUEf9LVukCHLYGKLxuggtz3zdrcsDgU=; b=fsrvPFq/SU/MzlBBizhHJvLXFPN9/pj47KGEhhccfK86SladHPQo4qScq+2YnZDpr8 NJr3/coDQVM4h3+a5Pf7xJ9OohrC+XAga474rCgT2rFTvojdw6gqDPpsLxjiRB/ZJ/Si lS0YUGFncAntStS7IykwXW54v6hr5XGa+oangyUmEtNgvwwQU3wCHUYldtYYiOTQ8TKQ dmMdpsklhJlkNUK5+CDkr3v9EIzUXYFYMKKqxOr6V/dxpS37QqaYAoykVyeQH7DJJaS4 31+5RwYPmFZxHn9NIkgL6ZW42Xj8bcjIqXn5Gzz9GUJncDIk79asPIL6/E6so/pNwql4 Ztgg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.193.129 with SMTP id ho1mr4376458igc.94.1365099609208; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 11:20:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1365097889.11308.YahooMailNeo@web171706.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FDD8010-078B-40C3-B91B-87249BD34FB8@zzz.ch> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:20:09 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: roland looper rc-505 From: Todd Elliott To: "loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93410894a3eb704d98d0589 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:20:09 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93410894a3eb704d98d0589 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I won't be satisfied until looping time is 24 hours. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DZPoqNeR3_UA Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Antony Hequet wrot= e: > You better breathe boy:-) > > Antony Hequet > Poet composer > > On 4 avr. 2013, at 20:08, Tristan Zand wrote: > > wow I can't wait to record *a loop of three hours in a single track*.. ;) > Z > http://zzz.ch > http://loopr.net > > On 4 avr. 2013, at 19:51, Antony Hequet < > antony.hequet@yahoo.fr> wrote: > > The RC-505 is equipped with five phrase tracks that can play > simultaneously, the most yet in a BOSS Loop Station. Independent > record/overdub/play and stop buttons for each track let users capture loo= p > performances with easy fingertip control. Dedicated volume faders allow f= or > quick level adjustment of track playback, while the ALL START/STOP button > controls all five loop phrases with a single command. Up to three hours > of stereo recording is possible in a single track. > > > Antony Hequet > poet composer walkyrie tamer > ------------------------------ > *De :* Scott Hansen < evanpeewee@gmail.com> > *=C0 :* > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Envoy=E9 le :* Jeudi 4 avril 2013 18h18 > *Objet :* roland looper rc-505 > > i'll have to read the specs more closely. but this looks promising. > i just wish there was a SPEED KNOB to adjust the speed of the loop. that > would be AWESOME! > but i guess the 5 loops and that it's hand operated, for me makes it > interesting.... > wonder what the price will be? > probably out of my range for now....i'm sure... > oh well...nice to see something new put out... > s--- > > > > > re: > > Someone posted a pic yesterday. > > Here's the press release: http://www.rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=3Drc-505 > > > > > > --=20 http://toaster.bandcamp.com --14dae93410894a3eb704d98d0589 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I won't be satisfied until looping time is 24 hours.= =A0http://www.yout= ube.com/watch?v=3DZPoqNeR3_UA Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Antony Hequ= et <antony.hequet@yahoo.fr> wrote:

You better breathe boy:-)

Antony Hequet
Poet composer

On 4 avr. 2013, at 20:08, = Tristan Zand <zzz@zzz.ch= > wrote:

wow I can't wait to= record a loop of three hours in a single track.. ;)
Z
http://zzz.ch
http://loopr.net

On 4 avr. 2013, at 19:51, Antony Hequet <antony.hequet@yahoo.fr> wrote:
=

The RC-505 is equipped with five = phrase tracks that can play simultaneously, the most yet in a BOSS Loop Sta= tion. Independent record/overdub/play and stop buttons for each track let u= sers capture loop performances with easy fingertip control. Dedicated volum= e faders allow for quick level adjustment of track playback, while the ALL = START/STOP button controls all five loop phrases with a single command. Up to three hours of stereo recording is poss= ible in a single track.

Antony Hequet
poet = composer walkyrie tamer

De=A0: Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com>
= =C0=A0: <= /a>Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Envoy=E9 le : Jeudi 4 avril 2013 18h18
Objet=A0: roland looper rc-= 505

i'= ll have to read the specs more closely. but this looks promising.
= i just wish there was a SPEED KNOB to adjust the speed of the loop. that wo= uld be AWESOME!

but i guess the 5 loops and that it's hand operated, for me makes= it interesting....
wonder what the price will be?
probably out of my range for now...= .i'm sure...
oh well...nice to see something new put out...s---

re:
Someone posted a pic yesterday. Here's the press release: http://www.rolandconnect.com/product.php= ?p=3Drc-505

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--14dae93410894a3eb704d98d0589-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 18:28:37 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED99B18351E; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:28:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 341 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 18:28:36 UTC From: Tristan Zand Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7C47C500-4F8A-49B8-B83D-D7C0C6651F89" Message-Id: <91C3C2AB-F4D5-4A10-94F3-9542C552E284@zzz.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 $1503$) Subject: Re: roland looper rc-505 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 20:22:53 +0200 References: <1365097889.11308.YahooMailNeo@web171706.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FDD8010-078B-40C3-B91B-87249BD34FB8@zzz.ch> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:28:36 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_7C47C500-4F8A-49B8-B83D-D7C0C6651F89 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 if in 22.2 surround sound format then I'll agree, otherwise, way too = short.. ;D Z http://zzz.ch http://loopr.net On 4 avr. 2013, at 20:20, Todd Elliott wrote: > I won't be satisfied until looping time is 24 hours. = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DZPoqNeR3_UA Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Antony Hequet = wrote: > You better breathe boy:-) >=20 > Antony Hequet > Poet composer >=20 > On 4 avr. 2013, at 20:08, Tristan Zand wrote: >=20 >> wow I can't wait to record a loop of three hours in a single track.. = ;) >> Z >> http://zzz.ch >> http://loopr.net >>=20 >> On 4 avr. 2013, at 19:51, Antony Hequet = wrote: >>=20 >>> The RC-505 is equipped with five phrase tracks that can play = simultaneously, the most yet in a BOSS Loop Station. Independent = record/overdub/play and stop buttons for each track let users capture = loop performances with easy fingertip control. Dedicated volume faders = allow for quick level adjustment of track playback, while the ALL = START/STOP button controls all five loop phrases with a single command. = Up to three hours of stereo recording is possible in a single track. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Antony Hequet >>> poet composer walkyrie tamer >>> De : Scott Hansen >>> =C0 : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 >>> Envoy=E9 le : Jeudi 4 avril 2013 18h18 >>> Objet : roland looper rc-505 >>>=20 >>> i'll have to read the specs more closely. but this looks promising. >>> i just wish there was a SPEED KNOB to adjust the speed of the loop. = that would be AWESOME! >>> but i guess the 5 loops and that it's hand operated, for me makes it = interesting.... >>> wonder what the price will be? >>> probably out of my range for now....i'm sure... >>> oh well...nice to see something new put out... >>> s--- >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> re: >>> Someone posted a pic yesterday. >>>=20 >>> Here's the press release: >>> http://www.rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=3Drc-505 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > http://toaster.bandcamp.com --Apple-Mail=_7C47C500-4F8A-49B8-B83D-D7C0C6651F89 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 if in = 22.2 surround sound format then I'll agree, otherwise, way too short.. = ;D

Z
http://zzz.ch
http://loopr.net

On 4 avr. 2013, at 20:20, Todd Elliott <toddbert@gmail.com> = wrote:

I won't be satisfied until looping time = is 24 hours. http://www.youtube.c= om/watch?v=3DZPoqNeR3_UA Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Antony = Hequet <antony.hequet@yahoo.fr> = wrote:

You better breathe boy:-)

Antony Hequet
Poet = composer

On 4 = avr. 2013, at 20:08, Tristan Zand <zzz@zzz.ch> wrote:

wow I can't wait to = record a loop of three hours in a single track.. = ;)
Z
http://zzz.ch
http://loopr.net

On 4 avr. 2013, at 19:51, Antony Hequet <antony.hequet@yahoo.fr> wrote:

The RC-505 is equipped with five phrase tracks = that can play simultaneously, the most yet in a BOSS Loop Station. = Independent record/overdub/play and stop buttons for each track let = users capture loop performances with easy fingertip control. Dedicated = volume faders allow for quick level adjustment of track playback, while = the ALL START/STOP button controls all five loop phrases with a single = command. Up to three hours of stereo = recording is possible in a single track.

Antony Hequet
poet composer walkyrie = tamer

=
De : Scott Hansen = <evanpeewee@gmail.com>
=C0 : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Envoy=E9 le : Jeudi 4 avril 2013 = 18h18
Objet : roland = looper rc-505

i'll have to read the specs more = closely. but this looks promising.
i just wish there was a = SPEED KNOB to adjust the speed of the loop. that would be AWESOME!

but i guess the 5 loops and that it's hand operated, for me makes = it interesting....
wonder what the price will be?
probably out of my range for = now....i'm sure...
oh well...nice to see something new put = out...
s---

re:
Someone posted a pic = yesterday. Here's the press release: http://www.rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=3Drc-505<= /pre>

=

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= --Apple-Mail=_7C47C500-4F8A-49B8-B83D-D7C0C6651F89-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 21:04:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A2D618351A; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 21:04:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=62WjutlAHGB9aSX5Py9dcr9perwpBNq46283i03U+10=; b=i1bNpm0BiSWFzdkwCgQYNzxjlHDcf0FRpm35lFB7jbtuf1aUzkCIA888wI0c4LOUze 3siWvPPBgqyr0FucHiC/kepOxAlqzD7OYQ1Xav/t0tn+MKX95azK5nQrEzSo6gwBqRco c/bJ1xE7zRGUccZD80PHGDTCnez7iqP3MJaP9NxjILV49A/7qWy1bxfd6ek0WKxmav4N x2ZT4LigXkYhmzoTurD1BxDay/U41QyguF+QfgQtuqKMLULmZp0nXRapxc/5WtTpyW1s Fw+uRXTdgAKQ/KYBVrlKcL4a52fOZoEJf3hLtxyXH06NH6VmUhaRlpbtzbxEy84Q7oG8 JMkQ== X-Received: by 10.50.20.135 with SMTP id n7mr10593163ige.31.1365109494095; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:04:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <91C3C2AB-F4D5-4A10-94F3-9542C552E284@zzz.ch> References: <1365097889.11308.YahooMailNeo@web171706.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FDD8010-078B-40C3-B91B-87249BD34FB8@zzz.ch> <91C3C2AB-F4D5-4A10-94F3-9542C552E284@zzz.ch> From: Jean-Paul De Roover Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:04:33 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: roland looper rc-505 To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd7669279b9de04d98f5220 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 21:04:55 +0000 (UTC) --047d7bd7669279b9de04d98f5220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone know if you can have loops of different lengths? Ideally where you can preset them like the RC300? On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Tristan Zand wrote: > if in 22.2 surround sound format then I'll agree, otherwise, way too > short.. ;D > > Z > http://zzz.ch > http://loopr.net > > On 4 avr. 2013, at 20:20, Todd Elliott wrote: > > I won't be satisfied until looping time is 24 hours. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DZPoqNeR3_UA Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm > > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Antony Hequet wr= ote: > >> You better breathe boy:-) >> >> Antony Hequet >> Poet composer >> >> On 4 avr. 2013, at 20:08, Tristan Zand wrote: >> >> wow I can't wait to record *a loop of three hours in a single track*.. ;= ) >> Z >> http://zzz.ch >> http://loopr.net >> >> On 4 avr. 2013, at 19:51, Antony Hequet < >> antony.hequet@yahoo.fr> wrote: >> >> The RC-505 is equipped with five phrase tracks that can play >> simultaneously, the most yet in a BOSS Loop Station. Independent >> record/overdub/play and stop buttons for each track let users capture lo= op >> performances with easy fingertip control. Dedicated volume faders allow = for >> quick level adjustment of track playback, while the ALL START/STOP butto= n >> controls all five loop phrases with a single command. Up to three hours >> of stereo recording is possible in a single track. >> >> >> Antony Hequet >> poet composer walkyrie tamer >> ------------------------------ >> *De :* Scott Hansen < evanpeewee@gmail.com> >> *=C0 :* >> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> *Envoy=E9 le :* Jeudi 4 avril 2013 18h18 >> *Objet :* roland looper rc-505 >> >> i'll have to read the specs more closely. but this looks promising. >> i just wish there was a SPEED KNOB to adjust the speed of the loop. that >> would be AWESOME! >> but i guess the 5 loops and that it's hand operated, for me makes it >> interesting.... >> wonder what the price will be? >> probably out of my range for now....i'm sure... >> oh well...nice to see something new put out... >> s--- >> >> >> >> >> re: >> >> Someone posted a pic yesterday. >> >> Here's the press release: http://www.rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=3Drc-505 >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > http://toaster.bandcamp.com > > > --=20 Jean-Paul De Roover www.jeanpaulderoover.com (807) 251-3376 --047d7bd7669279b9de04d98f5220 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone know if you can have loops of different lengths? Id= eally where you can preset them like the RC300?

On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Tr= istan Zand <zzz@zzz.ch> wrote:

if in 22= .2 surround sound format then I'll agree, otherwise, way too short.. ;D=

Z
http://zzz.ch<= /a>
http://loopr.n= et

On 4 avr. 2013, at 20:20, Todd E= lliott <toddbert= @gmail.com> wrote:

I won't be satisfied until looping time is 24 hours.=A0http://www.yo= utube.com/watch?v=3DZPoqNeR3_UA Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Antony Hequ= et <antony.hequet@yahoo.fr> wrote:

You better breathe boy:-)

Antony Hequet
Poet composer
=

On 4 avr. 2013, at 20:08, Tristan Zand <zzz@zzz.ch> wrote:

wow I can't wait to reco= rd a loop of three hours in a single track.. ;)
Z
http://zzz.ch
http://loopr.net

On 4 avr. 2013, at 19:51, Antony Hequet <antony.hequet@yahoo.fr> wrote:
=

The RC-505 is equipped with five = phrase tracks that can play simultaneously, the most yet in a BOSS Loop Sta= tion. Independent record/overdub/play and stop buttons for each track let u= sers capture loop performances with easy fingertip control. Dedicated volum= e faders allow for quick level adjustment of track playback, while the ALL = START/STOP button controls all five loop phrases with a single command. Up to three hours of stereo recording is poss= ible in a single track.

Antony Hequet
poet = composer walkyrie tamer

De=A0: Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com>
= =C0=A0: <= /a>Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Envoy=E9 le : Jeudi 4 avril 2013 18h18
Objet=A0: roland looper rc-= 505

i'= ll have to read the specs more closely. but this looks promising.
= i just wish there was a SPEED KNOB to adjust the speed of the loop. that wo= uld be AWESOME!

but i guess the 5 loops and that it's hand operated, for me makes= it interesting....
wonder what the price will be?
probably out of my range for now...= .i'm sure...
oh well...nice to see something new put out...s---

re:
Someone posted a pic yesterday. Here's the press release: http://www.rolandconnect.com/product.php= ?p=3Drc-505

--
http://= toaster.bandcamp.com

--
Jean-Paul De Roover
www.jeanpaulderoover.com
(8= 07) 251-3376
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Ideall= y where you can preset them like the RC300?=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Thu, Apr 4, 2013 = at 11:22 AM, Tristan Zand wrote:=0A=0Aif in 22.2 surround soun= d format then I'll agree, otherwise, way too short.. ;D=0A>=0A>=0A>Z=0A>htt= p://zzz.ch=0A>http://loopr.net =0A>=0A>On 4 avr. 2013, at 20:20, Todd Ellio= tt wrote:=0A>=0A>I won't be satisfied until looping ti= me is 24 hours.=A0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DZPoqNeR3_UA Hmmmmmmmmmmm= mmmmm=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Antony Hequet wrote:=0A>>=0A>>You better breathe boy:-)=0A>>>=0A>>>= Antony Hequet=0A>>>Poet composer=0A>>>=0A>>>On 4 avr. 2013, at 20:08, Trist= an Zand wrote:=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>wow I can't wait to record a l= oop of three hours in a single track.. ;)=0A>>>>Z=0A>>>>http://zzz.ch=0A>>>= >http://loopr.net =0A>>>>=0A>>>>On 4 avr. 2013, at 19:51, Antony Hequet wrote:=0A>>>>=0A>>>>The RC-505 is equipped with five = phrase tracks that can play simultaneously, the most yet in a BOSS Loop Sta= tion. Independent record/overdub/play and stop buttons for each track let u= sers capture loop performances with easy fingertip control. Dedicated volum= e faders allow for quick level adjustment of track playback, while the ALL = START/STOP button controls all five loop phrases with a single command. Up = to three hours of stereo recording is possible in a single track.=0A>>>>>= =0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>Antony Hequet=0A>>>>>poet composer = walkyrie tamer=0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>________________________________=0A>>>>> De= =A0: Scott Hansen =0A>>>>>=C0=A0: Loopers-Delight@loo= pers-delight.com =0A>>>>>Envoy=E9 le : Jeudi 4 avril 2013 18h18=0A>>>>>Obje= t=A0: roland looper rc-505=0A>>>>> =0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>i'll have to read the sp= ecs more closely. but this looks promising.=0A>>>>>i just wish there was a = SPEED KNOB to adjust the speed of the loop. that would be AWESOME!=0A>>>>>b= ut i guess the 5 loops and that it's hand operated, for me makes it interes= ting....=0A>>>>>wonder what the price will be?=0A>>>>>probably out of my ra= nge for now....i'm sure...=0A>>>>>oh well...nice to see something new put o= ut...=0A>>>>>s---=0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>re:=0A>>>>= >=0A>>>>>Someone posted a pic yesterday. Here's the press release: http://w= ww.rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=3Drc-505=0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>=0A>>>>= =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>-- =0A>>http://toaster.bandcamp.com =0A>=0A=0A=0A-- =0A= Jean-Paul De Roover=0Awww.jeanpaulderoover.com=0A(807) 251-3376 --1253611123-1465383044-1365140209=:99586 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
what I did read is that the loops have independent sync modes, hopefully = that implies all the parameters are independent

Antony Hequet

De : Jean-Paul De Roover <j= .de.roover@gmail.com>
=C0 = ;: loopers-delight <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> <= br> Envoy=E9 le : Jeudi 4 = avril 2013 23h04
Objet : Re: roland looper rc-505

Anyone know if you can have loops of different lengths? Ideally wh= ere you can preset them like the RC300?

On Thu, Apr 4, 20= 13 at 11:22 AM, Tristan Zand <zzz@= zzz.ch> wrote:
=0A=0A
if in 22.2 surround sound form= at then I'll agree, otherwise, way too short.. ;D
=0A=0A
=0A
=0A=0A
Z
http://zzz.ch
http://loopr.net
=0A
=0A
On 4 avr. 2013, at 20:20, Todd Elliott <toddbert@gmail.com> wrote:

I won't be satisfied until looping time is 24 hours.&nb= sp;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DZPoqNeR3_UA Hmmmmm= mmmmmmmmmmm
=0A=0A

=0A
<= div class=3D"yiv1657285167gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Ant= ony Hequet <antony.hequet@yahoo.fr> wrote:
=0A=0A=0A
You better breathe boy:-)

Antony Hequet
Poet composer

On 4 avr. 2013, at 20:08, Tristan Zand <zzz@zzz.ch> wrote:
=0A=0A=0A
=
wow I can't wait to record a loop of three hou= rs in a single track.. ;)
=0A=0A=0AZ
http://zzz.ch
http://loopr.= net
=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0A
On 4 avr. 2013, at 1= 9:51, Antony Hequet <antony.hequet@yahoo.fr> wro= te:

=0A=0A=0A
The RC-505 is equipped with five phrase tracks that can play simul= taneously, the most yet in a BOSS Loop Station. Independent record/overdub/= play and stop buttons for each track let users capture loop performances wi= th easy fingertip control. Dedicated volume faders allow for quick level ad= justment of track playback, while the ALL START/STOP button controls all fi= ve loop phrases with a single command. Up= to three hours of stereo recording is possible in a single track.
=0A=0A=0A

=
= =0A=0A=0AAntony Hequet
poet composer walkyrie tamer
=0A=0A=0A

=0A=0A=0A De : Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com<= /a>>
=C0 :=0A <= a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" t= arget=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers= -Delight@loopers-delight.com
= Envoy=E9 le : Jeudi 4 avril 2013 18h18
=0A=0A=0A Objet : roland looper rc-505
<= /font>

i'll have to re= ad the specs more closely. but this looks promising.
i just wish t= here was a SPEED KNOB to adjust the speed of the loop. that would be AWESOM= E!
=0A=0A=0A
but i guess the 5 loops and that it's hand operated, f= or me makes it interesting....
=0Awonder what the price will be?
probably out of my range for now....i'm sure...
oh well...nice t= o see something new put out...
s---

re:
= Someone posted a pic yesterday.=0A=0AHere's the press release:=0A http://www.rolandconnect.com/prod= uct.php?p=3Drc-505
=0A=0A=0A
=0A

--
http://to= aster.bandcamp.com=0A
=0A

--
Jean-Paul De= Roover
www.jeanpaulderoover.com
(807) 251-3376=0A

=0A<= /div>

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From MUSIKMESSE 2013 news "The RC-505 should be available in June with an= RRP of =C2=A3529" @ $800US

On 04/04/13, Sco= tt Hansen<evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:

i'll have to read the specs more closely. but th= is looks promising.

i just wish there was a SPEED KNOB to adjust t= he speed of the loop. that would be AWESOME!

but i guess the 5 loo= ps and that it's hand operated, for me makes it interesting....
wonder w= hat the price will be?

probably out of my range for now....i'm sur= e...

oh well...nice to see something new put out...
s---

re:

Someone posted a pic yest=
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 13:09:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21457183519; Fri, 5 Apr 2013 13:09:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date :message-id:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=exmfLTsa3ss0y4jXbT1c4ZtMR/sJr0czYoai0DiEW0s=; b=t5wyLjD4nd4qaWmQmkGUwaBmyNo1FI7YVegS30wANZjZzDzd+9qIVTohl/zkWEHe+O o9NtEt9KOfwSDcAKkFXA6C88NauQRqw60VIkOv+hT+H9wWczS3elPxnCWalq2ggJhwlI t0hlR08a87e1vXOBzYPhVRkQzICg0XFlaTDJLkFSCaibea/+BUqUkTfvyQNZQ5UHiyPS lcFG3XZ/4t48fzch2ohQBS6zGJCzKVIgSOk6PtJvhMqcFJv0igTUHNdj9bi5aV0IKPTS HmpGv26ST4pNMp675PiLgl8rq8b0UVXf2SUYVyvRw9Sgceu1G175U1yx+hPkeyioSymJ 9Aww== X-Received: by 10.180.11.136 with SMTP id q8mr4156863wib.18.1365167366425; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 06:09:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Oneil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LP2 input gain Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 15:09:24 +0200 Message-Id: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Resent-Message-ID: <2mXCl.A.6ZB.H0sXRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 13:09:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Anybody have a photo of the inside of the Looperlative LP-2 showing the = input gain pot. Rick Walker says it's easy to see, but I've tried a = couple of times and haven't succeeded.= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 14:43:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 138A418350E; Fri, 5 Apr 2013 14:43:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date :message-id:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=NN2bQ5FeJ+hPgkiXEhx2uxCu5+Co+SHJDpU5JLbTgZk=; b=g218sM/zj180vZohdwu+lH9VWSLaIJY8cOirOnmDmKZ7uEJ2NaqyY0paLQQrBtzOOY YEOusVAqllhRKMZCFi3kn9q5WO2c8u2ofJKRF30CqkkJgZtlUlEQXskT4PX81qYke/hG EiPtW1nJjYWrHpgzwIHf677LlRFxY1cSdYcbNVmMWc7fuZrqVQ9TqBM0ZBR56imgnhC9 OUa6LDZMcYi9E4dogc60Su2mPsU0TyJkQWaM0LwXxZfEZMMzW1LeAkxL2A+EJN/zb5LV qRHJ7sVOgj6oghvts8bJ/KHe5FFYh8xz8MH6OvYDcOBePQdTx6ZwFHoR1U85+ZoFMIqW eJvw== X-Received: by 10.194.158.161 with SMTP id wv1mr17158353wjb.38.1365173014103; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 07:43:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Oneil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: feedback control on LP2 Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 16:43:31 +0200 Message-Id: <8D64EBB7-42B9-42C9-9088-4C4D15B284CB@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 14:43:35 +0000 (UTC) Hi Guys, I have only an Ernie Ball Volume pedal and not a real expression pedal. = But if I even plug a jack into the feedback slot everything stops. The = LP2 stops playingback and no sound is output-ed whatsoever. Is this normal? Thanks Mike= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 6 19:38:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D5A1183518; Sat, 6 Apr 2013 19:38:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 599 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 19:38:50 UTC Message-ID: <20130406142849.648334yygl4k2ttd@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2013 14:28:49 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loop List Subject: New user of Ableton seeks help using it to replace loop pedals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.11) Resent-Message-ID: <3yLGyB.A.tmH.LnHYRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 19:38:51 +0000 (UTC) Hey fellow loopers, An acquaintance of mine (Ayla Nereo: http://aylanereo.com/) is wanting to replace her loop pedals with Ableton, and would love some help with that. As I am not an Ableton user, I thought I would reach out to this community to see if anyone can offer their assistance. Here is what she wants to do, "Mostly going to use it in live performance, eventually to replace my loop pedals. More immediately, trying to learn about live vocal effects/plug-ins (like doubling, harmonizers, etc) for using live with my Wildlight project" Video of her looping: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8jrry_QGTE Her email: aylanereo@gmail.com Thanks for any help you have to offer. :) peace -cpr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 7 08:34:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8A6A183519; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 08:34:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date :message-id:cc:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=bbD3F6NBuIn1yzJrNbjP8ggN9/oOY8YRKkHfLDm014w=; b=FOCI2ye1ONB/QFL8DnUq+asIfuESnuTHN8fjbVgXkUHupyKJDum7SET6ZOD+yCviDY jHbG90F6zIPjIWAM8r1SGDIqjHS+jq5Qjyfv/UYIT4uxhYC5ZFFtCYMYNij3z5xEWQFb r12TPjPm5KPIKNX7r5k418ngSAZ2canASkqQa43+fEhQO0TH2vgZog62+kVa1l0hTPFW TjcsBpLF+tKkgnkvXK4zuR9imdeHV+uU5BnrHA7J6Hf/R5wepjdXdyRrtY0V+eZyFEFb Kzuu2g76PVrYMGdehSol9to5Deg4qZFvHcvyjUYcnjq4sNE2VsbjpN9fxthTgF/uMuFf LtWw== X-Received: by 10.194.172.71 with SMTP id ba7mr25490632wjc.26.1365323681273; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 01:34:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Oneil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Looperlative LP2 review Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 10:34:38 +0200 Message-Id: <1B903C6E-E3D6-43D4-BEA1-828153BA0C3A@gmail.com> Cc: Rick Walker , Rick Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 08:34:42 +0000 (UTC) Dear All, I am a happy owner of a Looperlative LP2. I understand that there were = problems with the initial roll-out of this product; in fact the first = version of this pedal that I received (after the long wait that = frustrated a lot of people) was un satisfactory with very poor sound = quality. I already owned an LP-1 (since 2007) so I was well-aware of = the high quality of Bob Amstadt's work including customer service. In view of the problems with my LP2, Bob very quickly proposed a partial = but substantial refund with the understanding that I would receive the = next Looperlative innovation free. That next innovation was a new = circuit board which arrived with instructions on how to place it in the = housing, which I succeeded in doing with Bob's help. I say in all sincerity that to me, the LP2 is the most interesting = looping pedal I know of. I have owned a Boomerang, and an EH 16 sec = Delay (both since sold). I still own a Line 6 DL4 and M9 as well as an = EDP digital pro and an LP1. While the LP1 and the EDP are both = fantastic, they are quite big and a bit unwieldy to bring to gigs, while = the LP2 is a wonderful creative tool in a very simple small package. What do I love about the LP2? I love it's many unique possibilities of audio manipulation. All the = quantize replace functions (thank you Rick!) allow the creation of = surprising rhythmic patterns which can emerge from playing stuff that's = not rhythmic at all . The retrigger functions (random, once and = continuous) also have very creative applications in live playing. 1/4 = speed allows, very, very high, music box-like stuff, or very very low = sub bass stuff. There is, of course, reverse and 1/2 speed, but I wanted to put the = emphasis on what's unique about the LP2. Finally, since yesterday I have connected an expression pedal to the = feedback jack which enables you to fade out your loops . Last but not = least the undo function works really well and used in conjunction with = feedback allows you to return to previous loops which you have faded = out. The LP2 also automatically stores your loops on the little card. So to end, this is my absolute favorite looping pedal with creative = possibilities I've only begun to explore. If you're interested in the = creative, audio manipulating side of looping you can't go wrong with the = LP2. Much respect and gratitude to Bob Amstadt and to Rick Walker for = inspiring many of its features. Sincerely, Mike O'Neil= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 7 09:47:20 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA96818351B; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 09:47:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 851531634/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.25.185/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.25.185 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApYBAABAYVFYbRm5/2dsb2JhbAANRIM8wSeBF4EDAoIOAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBDzYZAwEQh24DG6pohUiDKA2JXYxQgRGBSRaDKwOKfIoXgwKET4YDiCeBcg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.87,424,1363132800"; d="scan'208";a="851531634" Message-ID: <516140AB.5000704@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 10:47:23 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New user of Ableton seeks help using it to replace loop pedals References: <20130406142849.648334yygl4k2ttd@webmail.musetrap.com> In-Reply-To: <20130406142849.648334yygl4k2ttd@webmail.musetrap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 09:47:20 +0000 (UTC) Probably worth considering other hosts than Ableton if there's no pre-recorded content. andy cpr@musetrap.com wrote: > Hey fellow loopers, > > An acquaintance of mine (Ayla Nereo: http://aylanereo.com/) is wanting > to replace her loop pedals with Ableton, and would love some help with > that. As I am not an Ableton user, I thought I would reach out to this > community to see if anyone can offer their assistance. > > Here is what she wants to do, "Mostly going to use it in live > performance, eventually to replace my loop pedals. More immediately, > trying to learn about live vocal effects/plug-ins (like doubling, > harmonizers, etc) for using live with my Wildlight project" > > Video of her looping: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8jrry_QGTE > > Her email: aylanereo@gmail.com > > Thanks for any help you have to offer. :) > > peace > -cpr > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 7 11:27:11 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6E4A183516; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 11:27:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=mMt7htm/BLJuzDI7HYwIwUBuGGVH1cHMvCcw/MjEuRI=; b=nr8GqM2nPX3g+XO3W2CSmuVK1EpiDg8MG00WzzbGpQuhaO9la0hjuWGX2S5Qp9qMsW pCQGvh9/lK6b73UI4vMXRfYmhvo98VxTQrLbHXCGYDCSgDD1aVjzRoMF2J9/2iKtVBDD 5pAjEjWPWrVXVZA+KiN2LvD0htCyti7yHJTNxyIr1xa/NJ/M8F+ZnSo3VhnKWeHiVz7u HIBwTT2zSWSGGTrBqPDdKhXaLRT9H/fZ0VjDYkEQnjk+FQY1oLs6ZktqldXxF6bNU+kd lUym/JoexCXrg4YxxFceu3vu5ifE/kuDOu+tqmNLw5qqi7HZPgCXQM7SaUL3e30R2msW 7etg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.29.70 with SMTP id i6mr10836528vdh.98.1365334030714; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 04:27:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <516140AB.5000704@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20130406142849.648334yygl4k2ttd@webmail.musetrap.com> <516140AB.5000704@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 13:27:10 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New user of Ableton seeks help using it to replace loop pedals From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 11:27:11 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 11:47 AM, andy butler wrote: > "Mostly going to use it in live performance, eventually to replace my loop > pedals. More immediately, trying to learn about live vocal effects/plug-ins > (like doubling, harmonizers, etc) for using live with my Wildlight project" I watched the linked video and can only say "go ahead and do it". She doesn't seem to be doing anything with the looping pedals that wouldn't be a piece of cake for Live. Live has a looper plugin that is ok and the manual is logical and easy to read in an hour or two. And those effects she wants to learn about are already in Live as native plugins. Here are some artists that use Live that way: http://www.pattysplanet.de/, http://kidbeyond.com/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 7 13:06:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43EAF183519; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 13:06:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 851564708/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.25.185/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.25.185 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjkDAPBuYVFYbRm5/2dsb2JhbAANRIZmvXQEAwGBFoMTAQEBAwEjFUAGCwsaAgUWCwICCQMCAQIBRRwBiAqqYXGRX4EjjgcWghiBEwOcZI4q X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.87,424,1363132800"; d="scan'208";a="851564708" Message-ID: <51616F5F.9040107@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 14:06:39 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New user of Ableton seeks help using it to replace loop pedals References: <20130406142849.648334yygl4k2ttd@webmail.musetrap.com> <516140AB.5000704@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 13:06:35 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > I watched the linked video and can only say "go ahead and do it". She > doesn't seem to be doing anything with the looping pedals that > wouldn't be a piece of cake for Live. Does Live let you tap in the first loop length nowadays? andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 7 13:25:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78B7B18351A; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 13:25:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=TvrUrnvshnh14bfJi61+VBVSW5h+x8fxGlZgKywl8zQ=; b=x6iMnHor2VOrVJ68LYODtI/O26TtkyVwUV2fBjS+/f2b4Y7JEO0vlnscseHR+/PM2A d4trPrAQu5fmwa9lvLk12/Vcf45sPTld7O/1lHONiDToflni6vESrydv60EVjlFi4h/p I0toWaxtSklota/oErhwR+5B9Eg2ETP7zYoUlWe53HYWOFRjdlX7erPiZxPlAzNr0Isl DqU1ZbJtjN7TMit9MviTFFZSMCvdJwcHtZk14+QZL5kQun7nfAXVwe3Qgp4KkKKFFIvt /4f4pQ1qFXJDG1emIexyj92TPmwwyoQE2CzAFtPmYtUF1ITqtue/xRBND1PwvN6Ekxj3 ghGw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.95.33 with SMTP id dh1mr11014777vdb.52.1365341103700; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 06:25:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <51616F5F.9040107@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20130406142849.648334yygl4k2ttd@webmail.musetrap.com> <516140AB.5000704@tiscali.co.uk> <51616F5F.9040107@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 15:25:03 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New user of Ableton seeks help using it to replace loop pedals From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 13:25:04 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 3:06 PM, andy butler wrote: > Per Boysen wrote: > >> I watched the linked video and can only say "go ahead and do it". She >> doesn't seem to be doing anything with the looping pedals that >> wouldn't be a piece of cake for Live. > > > Does Live let you tap in the first loop length nowadays? Live doesn't do that but a looper plugin does! I have tested Mobius in Live and it works well; you set up Mobius for your preferred allowed tempo range ("Max/Min Tempo") and to send MIDI Clock tempo data to Live. With this system you can just kick in a first loop of any length, from just a second up to several minutes and have Live + effects follow the tempo automatically calculated. No matter the length of the first loop you crate this way, Live will always hook up at a tempo according to Mobius set "Max/Min Tempo". Another option is to use Live's own looper plugin Looper. If you stay with loops of just a handful of bars length, like this artist does according to her demo video, this is very easy. You can decide if you want Looper to follow Live's pre set tempo or if Looper shall analyze the recorded first loop's tempo and implement that for the host - in that case you need to pre set the number of bars for the first loop to be recorded. . This Looper plugin doesn't stack up several alternate loops though. You may run several instances of Looper but need to be careful to only set one of them (or none) to act as the temp master. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 7 15:06:48 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95B54183519; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 15:06:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date :message-id:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=MzSGjQXFmRGG+gQUWSf2pucOLRfLyLm+psVSW4hwgZo=; b=axoPhP9z9OvZLIRLa7ZRASebRhs4X6rbYhno12daY90TA4WSRhu7NxMe41L39mCs4o 6MTlyybmTYbIPzHD3G4zhC5n0VkcacVqw3rbbYkKIg4Y8OuTdrHNgpw+HQIvuinPj8X7 V/dJVB3joTMfsgf6jMU3zfjKiYGQDsVkzWIybBpz5stCQ2vIlnfdsqIwaL5RCyvC5lIt lMpFQfI3ohHp1mNFs/zjl4B+1X7BQigFCqjSQuEl9PgMidt4FDwXUG+4GGbMOIOG6W5d LNIxEiyRHEPw5MdeXQX3pUKFpXkivJrghEb4YhUNZXToCafC4PLx56BnjgZPXBSzGBs/ lZSg== X-Received: by 10.180.189.17 with SMTP id ge17mr8283928wic.17.1365347207413; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 08:06:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Oneil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LP2 review continued Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 17:06:44 +0200 Message-Id: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 15:06:48 +0000 (UTC) Dear All, There is an important feature of the LP2 which I neglected to mention in = my review. Inside there is an input gain control pot (beige with a = little cross for your screwdriver). Quite a few guitarists actually = stopped using the LP1 because they couldn't use it between a guitar and = an amp and didn't want to use a set-up which involved a mixer. I myself = had problems of this nature, preferring the simplest possible signal = path between guitar and amp. The LP2 works great between a guitar and an amp and the input gain = control obviously allows adjustment for other input sources, including = microphones. =20 Sincerely, Mike O'Neil= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 7 15:51:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1438F183518; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 15:51:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <53D57420-134A-45E0-B4BC-B81590CC293F@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: feedback control on LP2 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 08:51:06 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <2otNP.A.9u.xXZYRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 15:51:13 +0000 (UTC) Mike you need to use a standard expression pedal with a TRS cable a volume pedal will not work. unless modified for a trs cable or possible a stereo insert cable but the volume pedal would need to have a 25k pot not a 250 like most passive volume pedals. the trim pots are tiny circuit board mounted trim pots with a tiny slot in each to adjust with a tiny jewelers screw driver May I ask what you are trying to do with them? I wouldn't advise messing with those unless you are having a real gain issue. also powered the unit down when plugging anything in or out particularly the CF cards that are not hot swappable. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 7 17:33:11 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C1BF183519; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 17:33:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20130407123309.66077glbz2h1bq39@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 12:33:09 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Looking to purchase used Mac for software development MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.11) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 17:33:11 +0000 (UTC) Turns out my Mac Mini is toooo old to be useful for software development (ie. I can't install the latest software on it). Does anyone have a Mac (mini or otherwise) that they would like to part with for $300 or less? It's only job is to be a development machine, so the ability to use the latest os/xcode trumps performance. I'm going to start looking on ebay/etc, but thought I would check here first. :) peace -cpr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 7 18:02:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05D1A18351B; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 18:02:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3x09@carlsonarts.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 434080.18811.bm@smtp109.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: S07SQHEVM1mZbJ8vzlCms_Px_8YyxZKk4BDUD1MhiPEQnHK GgqGSxTGviZTBcuUgHUBgf5IERSjNOpiPGBT662DcmQWbocNI1bNCjRatisA SPdsNq5CxBm5pGT2XhjJaOLa417fKGabLVLCA16QRGTSMoqyaz81QwqEtzkA lEUxClL9cY0_IW6bCUrijtn5xA7FqKJ_41UU_ysxiV32p8U_b2FrUnnmK5Fm BWFAt0WC5Uw4cj3OjvdoPVo9FlZ4bKmTJzVnW2yzXRdGotJEyTmxNvUQtpi7 s3srt_Xfc.bYdhNc2qdM.4UepNaOyHWX7cyXehGZHBEhiQlGgzPfLXPJvs.S DzA9yUxbDFO1a1_hiT_id1V1kM.TqOZmqqL.gJgC6NS4lBznxjTguCz9ip4D FZfD7ew39VoDVtPjxVR2iS3efJLgesgYrL.jTxb7sT.Q- X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F X-Rocket-Received: from [192.168.1.72] (3x09@99.0.9.109 with plain) by smtp109.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 07 Apr 2013 11:02:51 -0700 PDT References: <20130407123309.66077glbz2h1bq39@webmail.musetrap.com> In-Reply-To: <20130407123309.66077glbz2h1bq39@webmail.musetrap.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> Subject: Re: Looking to purchase used Mac for software development Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 11:02:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 18:02:52 +0000 (UTC) I have had pretty good luck finding systems on Craigslist, but always do = all of your business in a public place anonymously if you can. also, = it's generally worth it if you can find a mac with some applecare = warranty left on it in case something goes wrong. Michael On Apr 7, 2013, at 10:33 AM, cpr@musetrap.com wrote: > Turns out my Mac Mini is toooo old to be useful for software = development (ie. I can't install the latest software on it). Does anyone = have a Mac (mini or otherwise) that they would like to part with for = $300 or less? It's only job is to be a development machine, so the = ability to use the latest os/xcode trumps performance. I'm going to = start looking on ebay/etc, but thought I would check here first. :) >=20 > peace > -cpr >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 7 18:27:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81A8518351A; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 18:27:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZbZjKOeF7nn+GllxFoEDonCyAhXnusOpagWCvDxBMiI=; b=kZ15hb8wKX0PxR7DAqzSsm0ptmcQi7oH5vl3jjtw8ew3XWYZA4DeOxiBgz+FpWHYgP XG3eMkarCYGshKm/iaHFVLn5P8R0EVX+E/bQmD05vZAznaxziQKhLNeeGOSMM50WGaDZ E3Q+f+nw3qXt36OYpaNr+95fhyhBnl3E3JaYJG5gYZ5rJOldLU28g/6JbFB4uYZJdnqB j3fTldG8oaVUVj8SScOxZ9woi07/sRHNM69LhZ5p9udQ8VyirujcpXqdGr9vfK/cCRWD OomNGs37A3xaXBxOq0IJf2TyAHsRqo0yKa2mu3CS+FcSc1u4RBAd4/gbwQ0Z4ciRhRd4 4bFg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.14.183.198 with SMTP id q46mr41379968eem.1.1365359220969; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 11:27:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20130407123309.66077glbz2h1bq39@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:27:00 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looking to purchase used Mac for software development From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 18:27:02 +0000 (UTC) Chris for using the more recent Xcode assuming you're going to work in that for either OS X or iOS code, you're going to need a 64bit mac. I recently had to upg for that reason. I got a really clean late 2009 early 2010 MBP 15inch with 8gig ram for 600 on ebay. I was finding I needed to spend btw 4 and 6. Below that you will prob run in to hw probs to fix. I had been using a first gen MBP 17 inch which has been great and still is for my music needs I just hit a wall with the directions I'm going in dev. Glad you are crossing over a bit :) Jim On 4/7/13, TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> wrote: > I have had pretty good luck finding systems on Craigslist, but always do = all > of your business in a public place anonymously if you can. also, it's > generally worth it if you can find a mac with some applecare warranty lef= t > on it in case something goes wrong. > > Michael > On Apr 7, 2013, at 10:33 AM, cpr@musetrap.com wrote: > >> Turns out my Mac Mini is toooo old to be useful for software development >> (ie. I can't install the latest software on it). Does anyone have a Mac >> (mini or otherwise) that they would like to part with for $300 or less? >> It's only job is to be a development machine, so the ability to use the >> latest os/xcode trumps performance. I'm going to start looking on >> ebay/etc, but thought I would check here first. :) >> >> peace >> -cpr >> >> > > --=20 Sent from my mobile device --=20 *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism' *The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music* - 'Organically inspired New Music' *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit *JDRF International * *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 7 19:07:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1D8C183519; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 19:07:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=YTk5jWbZssqBaJFSwgcYGWcIPnN3ZBmDdi+V3KFROfE=; b=R9k9h3QM3N9rhYYfYaaBGpq8p9cK+ZEpbyFmUA11y2LqyClAX3vBlqB9W7FueLt4Gf ELg8WVSoe9ZeEhGnUb+qc9VCFoLD8b+UwDAZP4xvSP9yUqHt5LTFQ2gDe1io5KpW9Tbb ypVubCnoCEtSbcBGiqy7Y8G7SNJxjspjN2ruB/heifJ0Z5hqo6wQHovGrizyYex2iaL+ B13i2wkGTlucvb0sf6OwV1+2YAW+4IB0j3RU8PHkwFwa61+325VfpBLQohnbw1hMoBvz IXdMk6aBenuMFyohqAK/OWPqC0kklTFrHBBk408ooGD7SdPKh/j31/YFBrMdGol2kvLO ZF5w== X-Received: by 10.66.123.5 with SMTP id lw5mr30882939pab.132.1365361671948; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 12:07:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <20130406142849.648334yygl4k2ttd@webmail.musetrap.com> <516140AB.5000704@tiscali.co.uk> <51616F5F.9040107@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 21:07:31 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 440BqpR35pWicfws_bClynA0CNQ Message-ID: Subject: Re: New user of Ableton seeks help using it to replace loop pedals To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bf0e7c87250cd04d9ca0910 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 19:07:53 +0000 (UTC) --047d7bf0e7c87250cd04d9ca0910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 After watching the video, my advise to her would be to absolutely do exactly what shes doing right now... its working real good. Who needs multiple tracks, feedback, insert, halfspeed, varispeed, multiply, divide, 16th note quantise substitute, when you got Overdub and some motherfucking soul baby! Goosebumps here in Norway, and the snows all but gone... must be sommat else! M On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 3:06 PM, andy butler > wrote: > > Per Boysen wrote: > > > >> I watched the linked video and can only say "go ahead and do it". She > >> doesn't seem to be doing anything with the looping pedals that > >> wouldn't be a piece of cake for Live. > > > > > > Does Live let you tap in the first loop length nowadays? > > > Live doesn't do that but a looper plugin does! I have tested Mobius in > Live and it works well; you set up Mobius for your preferred allowed > tempo range ("Max/Min Tempo") and to send MIDI Clock tempo data to > Live. With this system you can just kick in a first loop of any > length, from just a second up to several minutes and have Live + > effects follow the tempo automatically calculated. No matter the > length of the first loop you crate this way, Live will always hook up > at a tempo according to Mobius set "Max/Min Tempo". > > Another option is to use Live's own looper plugin Looper. If you stay > with loops of just a handful of bars length, like this artist does > according to her demo video, this is very easy. You can decide if you > want Looper to follow Live's pre set tempo or if Looper shall analyze > the recorded first loop's tempo and implement that for the host - in > that case you need to pre set the number of bars for the first loop to > be recorded. . This Looper plugin doesn't stack up several alternate > loops though. You may run several instances of Looper but need to be > careful to only set one of them (or none) to act as the temp master. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7bf0e7c87250cd04d9ca0910 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

After watching the video, my advise to her would be to abs= olutely do exactly what shes doing right now... its working real good.

= Who needs multiple tracks, feedback, insert, halfspeed, varispeed, multiply= , divide, 16th note quantise substitute, when you got Overdub and some moth= erfucking soul baby!

Goosebumps here in Norway, and the snows all but gone.= .. must be sommat else!

On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:

On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 3:06 PM, and= y butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.= uk> wrote:
> Per Boysen wrote:
>
>> I watched the linked video and can only say "go ahead and do = it". She
>> doesn't seem to be doing anything with the looping pedals that=
>> wouldn't be a piece of cake for Live.
>
>
> Does Live let you tap in the first loop length nowadays?

Live doesn't do that but a looper plugin does! I have teste= d Mobius in
Live and it works well; you set up Mobius for your preferred allowed
tempo range ("Max/Min Tempo") and to send MIDI Clock tempo data t= o
Live. With this system you can just kick in a first loop of any
length, from just a second up to several minutes and have Live +
effects follow the tempo automatically calculated. No matter the
length of the first loop you crate this way, Live will always hook up
at a tempo according to Mobius set "Max/Min Tempo".

Another option is to use Live's own looper plugin Looper. If you stay with loops of just a handful of bars length, like this artist does
according to her demo video, this is very easy. You can decide if you
want Looper to follow Live's pre set tempo or if Looper shall analyze the recorded first loop's tempo and implement that for the host - in that case you need to pre set the number of bars for the first loop to
be recorded. . This Looper plugin doesn't stack up several alternate loops though. You may run several instances of Looper but need to be
careful to only set one of them (or none) to act as the temp master.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen

--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
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--047d7bf0e7c87250cd04d9ca0910-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 7 20:23:44 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25E4518351A; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 20:23:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=syFk8U9EOREBYJaes00MzxYREayvpWAVfseSAPRF7VA=; b=dyqbw+Pgb3IMlBhHmNS6GsPSO1F8IZU8HPITnGw+qthOiwwi44DXG7tGUZhWc8N5pz ClzHXV8DdLKtCWZO5YCrCZoK+p7Q6wY7LGsSORSUuSaOhPc3ZQBiD5eYK6P1AOXnlIsP Py8YxtMU5kDtjXdjNpHquxOFd9KWr4fQlGK9Sp2aVJmotDNmk1wgdsNjOZ1MpNCLhMqM 8aLjGvRaRezn0KKaggdpvn9s/7QTxLG4kvWIKNgNgzntIFQNHgqBoAfTAkAnfRCOR0N5 x967EcJyqk7V9XyKL+VVqjd+r1KiUbFoROR/Or8Sdu+mQJO48Iw5XFvjFLipmhhYgH3m Fajg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.59.74 with SMTP id x10mr13190224oeq.48.1365366223089; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 13:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 13:23:42 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=F6bius_weirdness?= From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01161436b748be04d9cb185f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 20:23:43 +0000 (UTC) --089e01161436b748be04d9cb185f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So I was cleaning up my hard drive yesterday and deleted a bunch of files that I didn't feel I needed any longer (audio files mostly) and somehow the graphic interface for M=F6bius disappeared. The program is still there but the screen is white. Okay, so I screwed up and deleted what shouldn't have been, no problems. I deinstalled m=F6bius and did a clean install of 2.5 OS. Same problem. I'v= e repeated the clear/install routine several a times since (with reboots aplenty in between) and I still have a blank m=F6bius. Any ideas what I've done or how to repair the program? Kevin --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) --089e01161436b748be04d9cb185f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So I was cleaning up my hard drive yesterday and deleted a bunch of files t= hat I didn't feel I needed any longer (audio files mostly) and somehow = the graphic interface for M=F6bius disappeared. =A0The program is still the= re but the screen is white.

Okay, so I screwed up and deleted what shouldn't have be= en, no problems. =A0I deinstalled m=F6bius and did a clean install of 2.5 O= S. =A0Same problem. =A0I've repeated the clear/install routine several = a times since (with reboots aplenty in between) and I still have a blank m= =F6bius.

Any ideas what I've done or how to repair the progr= am?

Kevin

-- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.<= br>
- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

--089e01161436b748be04d9cb185f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 01:04:43 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9411E18351C; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 01:04:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20130407200441.15924z8021xnz3jd@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 20:04:41 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> Subject: Re: Looking to purchase used Mac for software development References: <20130407123309.66077glbz2h1bq39@webmail.musetrap.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.11) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 01:04:43 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the craigslist tips Michael. I'm not sure I can hit my price point with a unit that still has applecare on it, but it would be nice. -cpr Quoting TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com>: > I have had pretty good luck finding systems on Craigslist, but > always do all of your business in a public place anonymously if you > can. also, it's generally worth it if you can find a mac with some > applecare warranty left on it in case something goes wrong. > > Michael > On Apr 7, 2013, at 10:33 AM, cpr@musetrap.com wrote: > >> Turns out my Mac Mini is toooo old to be useful for software >> development (ie. I can't install the latest software on it). Does >> anyone have a Mac (mini or otherwise) that they would like to part >> with for $300 or less? It's only job is to be a development >> machine, so the ability to use the latest os/xcode trumps >> performance. I'm going to start looking on ebay/etc, but thought I >> would check here first. :) >> >> peace >> -cpr >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 01:37:54 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCBBE18351A; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 01:37:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3x09@carlsonarts.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 770358.10299.bm@smtp104.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: jd29ZmoVM1mVEbnl0.04l2vs0777m03XsGVrdiuYbrS0GqA _JSehFYUE0yAA8toZptoWYWFW7F5vajJXO.49mXY.PdJCz18uAxeHmoX_vGt 6e3ysChuJCrP6UtiuYJ7bvUczqaScW1dAuYjLG3eE1AM7jsklyQvBXFAh0g1 8Fr04ZMz6cS19R255yld7W2rF7.c8IcG1l6snjmZ9Ql5h.qRNPl1Etl5ifbh .Me9kjBN1Yp3BV_vDJJwIcZu77gYkmIDC2iCGzgNATMW0Jvq_Vus.Csc9ACc D7jeMqS1DuwE0nu0yUgEYiLSgzRSSn9XZgDGH_sK2IWdkfP3TpxpIM20SyEE 8RVh.BwNfsGrriwza2iiuGWtBPg0BW1X2FU7nXDqwlqlZ_GvqY5Py5qRmV6k 6j21IubhyRhLFmX1P7fC53TCVnJog6m6MYvTpC.iTusOCz8x4CeD60UHDcL8 .YrIUwcMeb41By9R9Rko- X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F X-Rocket-Received: from [192.168.1.72] (3x09@99.0.9.109 with plain) by smtp104.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 07 Apr 2013 18:37:52 -0700 PDT References: <20130407123309.66077glbz2h1bq39@webmail.musetrap.com> <20130407200441.15924z8021xnz3jd@webmail.musetrap.com> In-Reply-To: <20130407200441.15924z8021xnz3jd@webmail.musetrap.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <37FE74D7-C9BE-4A2F-BE6A-8A38CC101B36@carlsonarts.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> Subject: Re: Looking to purchase used Mac for software development Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 18:37:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 01:37:54 +0000 (UTC) In my experience, spending a little extra on a system with applecare = pays for itself. I bought a used MB Pro for more than I wanted, but the = mobo, dvd drive, power button, and something else all broke and were = covered by Apple for FREEEE! :) Michael On Apr 7, 2013, at 6:04 PM, cpr@musetrap.com wrote: > Thanks for the craigslist tips Michael. I'm not sure I can hit my = price point with a unit that still has applecare on it, but it would be = nice. >=20 > -cpr >=20 > Quoting TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com>: >=20 >> I have had pretty good luck finding systems on Craigslist, but always = do all of your business in a public place anonymously if you can. also, = it's generally worth it if you can find a mac with some applecare = warranty left on it in case something goes wrong. >>=20 >> Michael >> On Apr 7, 2013, at 10:33 AM, cpr@musetrap.com wrote: >>=20 >>> Turns out my Mac Mini is toooo old to be useful for software = development (ie. I can't install the latest software on it). Does anyone = have a Mac (mini or otherwise) that they would like to part with for = $300 or less? It's only job is to be a development machine, so the = ability to use the latest os/xcode trumps performance. I'm going to = start looking on ebay/etc, but thought I would check here first. :) >>>=20 >>> peace >>> -cpr >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 01:44:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFD2718351A; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 01:44:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=DmFR+xSaZOAbsKEBa1PAb8rFz7KcIeRNENGZHEYHQVk=; b=kgYMVUS5w6VPq/Rv5wqobEIjpFeAZcFL/gSVfDFHyO8Dt6Sj7wTMhnlWXfA6VGPhym /jLwqHrKRmofmqDIh3uyv2SUroJOIqDnT9E5mgUo5jFNk6gqDxY92PT/adCckKNzkBkf j7WfMdUEsOr2OBKZODFA/MdGn6I7H/7Wc/TBGa80Df9EzKVC+pVY9qGMSX7TUec7SzYr LhuAKQrE5SYKGjptisOsEAc7ZtBAkFbmpziq64kvBiLzmauGCPl2tdNjm6kMrnbjmvEx Nf73ODsjOvIeh2MxK3dfBVegUzU5xsno6X3kGAyWg88r1RfqkfF9H0xWLs9mHGJfdd80 EetQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.228.167 with SMTP id sj7mr32256701pac.72.1365385494201; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 18:44:54 -0700 (PDT) Sender: danielhlevine@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <37FE74D7-C9BE-4A2F-BE6A-8A38CC101B36@carlsonarts.com> References: <20130407123309.66077glbz2h1bq39@webmail.musetrap.com> <20130407200441.15924z8021xnz3jd@webmail.musetrap.com> <37FE74D7-C9BE-4A2F-BE6A-8A38CC101B36@carlsonarts.com> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 21:44:54 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Nnsd02nEGPrnSfR3OkgepV-w8Q4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looking to purchase used Mac for software development From: daniel To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b15aa135d0d9104d9cf9521 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 01:44:55 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b15aa135d0d9104d9cf9521 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I think a friend of mine is selling a 2009 Mac book pro -- all cleaned out and loaded with logic and some other solid programs On Sunday, April 7, 2013, TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> wrote: > In my experience, spending a little extra on a system with applecare pays > for itself. I bought a used MB Pro for more than I wanted, but the mobo, > dvd drive, power button, and something else all broke and were covered by > Apple for FREEEE! :) > > Michael > > On Apr 7, 2013, at 6:04 PM, cpr@musetrap.com wrote: > > > Thanks for the craigslist tips Michael. I'm not sure I can hit my price > point with a unit that still has applecare on it, but it would be nice. > > > > -cpr > > > > Quoting TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com >: > > > >> I have had pretty good luck finding systems on Craigslist, but always > do all of your business in a public place anonymously if you can. also, > it's generally worth it if you can find a mac with some applecare warranty > left on it in case something goes wrong. > >> > >> Michael > >> On Apr 7, 2013, at 10:33 AM, cpr@musetrap.com wrote: > >> > >>> Turns out my Mac Mini is toooo old to be useful for software > development (ie. I can't install the latest software on it). Does anyone > have a Mac (mini or otherwise) that they would like to part with for $300 > or less? It's only job is to be a development machine, so the ability to > use the latest os/xcode trumps performance. I'm going to start looking on > ebay/etc, but thought I would check here first. :) > >>> > >>> peace > >>> -cpr > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > --047d7b15aa135d0d9104d9cf9521 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think a friend of mine is selling a 2009 Mac book pro -- all cleaned out = and loaded with logic and some other solid programs

On = Sunday, April 7, 2013, TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> wrote:

In my experience, spending a little extra on= a system with applecare pays for itself. =A0I bought a used MB Pro for mor= e than I wanted, but the mobo, dvd drive, power button, and something else = all broke and were covered by Apple for FREEEE! :)

Michael

On Apr 7, 2013, at 6:04 PM, cpr@musetrap.com wrote:

> Thanks for the craigslist tips Michael. I'm not sure I can hit my = price point with a unit that still has applecare on it, but it would be nic= e.
>
> -cpr
>
> Quoting TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com&= gt;:
>
>> I have had pretty good luck finding systems on Craigslist, but alw= ays do all of your business in a public place anonymously if you can. =A0al= so, it's generally worth it if you can find a mac with some applecare w= arranty left on it in case something goes wrong.
>>
>> Michael
>> On Apr 7, 2013, at 10:33 AM, cpr@musetrap.com = wrote:
>>
>>> Turns out my Mac Mini is toooo old to be useful for software d= evelopment (ie. I can't install the latest software on it). Does anyone= have a Mac (mini or otherwise) that they would like to part with for $300 = or less? It's only job is to be a development machine, so the ability t= o use the latest os/xcode trumps performance. I'm going to start lookin= g on ebay/etc, but thought I would check here first. :)
>>>
>>> peace
>>> -cpr
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

--047d7b15aa135d0d9104d9cf9521-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 02:25:31 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03F5D18351B; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 02:25:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 905 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 02:25:30 UTC X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.234.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:SN2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-BigFish: PS-1(z3e13hz9371Ic89bhc85dhzz1f42h1fc6h1ee6h1de0h1fdah1202h1e76h1d1ah1d2ahzz18c673h8275bhz2fh2a8h668h839hd25hf0ah1288h12a5h12bdh137ah1441h1504h1537h153bh15d0h162dh1631h1758h18e1h1946h19b5h19ceh1ad9h1b0ah1bceh1155h) Received-SPF: pass (mail31-co1: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.234.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.234.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=SN2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_M=F6bius_weirdness?= Thread-Topic: =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=F6bius_weirdness?= Thread-Index: AQHOM83QrzcKXHYw/06MYU+HDbxyd5jLlB92 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 02:10:20 +0000 Message-ID: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A778F51B90@SN2PRD0410MB384.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [66.68.73.250] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A778F51B90SN2PRD0410MB384_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: <6P6EKB.A.RuG.aqiYRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 02:25:30 +0000 (UTC) --_000_3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A778F51B90SN2PRD0410MB384_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you're on Windows Vista or Windows 7 this is usually a file permissions = problem trying to read the two configuration files mobius.xml and ui.xml. = If you're on OS X there are similar issues with /Library/Application Suppor= t thought the installer usually handles those. Let me know what OS you're = using and we'll go from there. Jeff ________________________________ From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [billowhead@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 3:23 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: M=F6bius weirdness So I was cleaning up my hard drive yesterday and deleted a bunch of files t= hat I didn't feel I needed any longer (audio files mostly) and somehow the = graphic interface for M=F6bius disappeared. The program is still there but= the screen is white. Okay, so I screwed up and deleted what shouldn't have been, no problems. I= deinstalled m=F6bius and did a clean install of 2.5 OS. Same problem. I'= ve repeated the clear/install routine several a times since (with reboots a= plenty in between) and I still have a blank m=F6bius. Any ideas what I've done or how to repair the program? Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) --_000_3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A778F51B90SN2PRD0410MB384_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If you're on Windows Vista or Windows 7 this is usually a file permi= ssions problem trying to read the two configuration files mobius.xml and ui= .xml. If you're on OS X there are similar issues with /Library/Application Support thought the installer usu= ally handles those. Let me know what OS you're using and we'll go fro= m there.

Jeff

From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [billowhead@gma= il.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 3:23 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: M=F6bius weirdness

So I was cleaning up my hard drive yesterday and deleted a bunch of fi= les that I didn't feel I needed any longer (audio files mostly) and somehow= the graphic interface for M=F6bius disappeared. The program is still= there but the screen is white.

Okay, so I screwed up and deleted what shouldn't have been, no problem= s. I deinstalled m=F6bius and did a clean install of 2.5 OS. Sa= me problem. I've repeated the clear/install routine several a times s= ince (with reboots aplenty in between) and I still have a blank m=F6bius.

Any ideas what I've done or how to repair the program?

Kevin

--
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.<= br>
- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

--_000_3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A778F51B90SN2PRD0410MB384_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 09:52:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28825183517; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 09:52:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 313 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 09:52:17 UTC X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=SEMYAEofGeQ5ABzQgVMtdBk3NOtMhQNxdYieIxie4wQ=; b=RIZDTdfNkhmSv7O2oFowCudlqdeKueb7+DVF5S0IG6orUAUSwVEGdFYPEevNfPFmAH qyCQ6pq1SCt7oIZOxOp4F1pEXk3HrMo++w/Yd6Em8OF5LiHE8RA1O08iw/L1FcuNFSw4 oSZTumOk2xaCF0uANI3pHDl7z4SGP9mUJdeAgHTqUL+OTdc2/pKZkksyjQqnXPhRHJB5 I60fVrNXPQAxw5fsxKHvOK8M9gZQuXEh+FGA7hxUADg3W/NoB3u7be8jIu4/K0hZQsG5 43Fv12MbjRiWXGYxYRlaL0xm/gObHMIOQKb91UPxETrkI3NUQJ7Z/ozgniW2ysk5ep3M ++fQ== X-Received: by 10.221.0.199 with SMTP id nn7mr15378067vcb.14.1365414422809; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 02:47:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.221.0.199 with SMTP id nn7mr15378057vcb.14.1365414422555; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 02:47:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20130406142849.648334yygl4k2ttd@webmail.musetrap.com> <516140AB.5000704@tiscali.co.uk> <51616F5F.9040107@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 10:47:02 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New user of Ableton seeks help using it to replace loop pedals From: Philip Conway To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54eea8aa0cb7204d9d6516e X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlG7MrVTFNb8/q3W4Embm8u9W3GYUEx1tmoYbrdOw74o49oJQrLsAOvkuxXQIGsCAdZ3jzf/h3tdtRSisuFYSAsj2lAPO7aEB8flR+F/ZhXKcQQetsYacjhwu2BVvnx+S+dTQdzh67xPQo1sxJMhBhGg0Kqa+n4xDQzRrIanfwyV0+M8S8jNh1hwredkMUmk83wRYB8 Resent-Message-ID: <9iuJCB.A.Q8B.SNpYRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 09:52:19 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec54eea8aa0cb7204d9d6516e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I use Ableton's Looper effect quite a lot. It's very easy to use, there's nothing much to explain really. If you can work a loop pedal you can work Looper. I like it a lot and it's a great composition tool but there are a few niggles with it, the main one being that it doesn't crossfade loop ends properly so you can get clicks and pops where the loops join. The main issue with 'going computerised' is equipment -- having a solid and reliable laptop, audio interface and foot controller. Once you start tinkering with the likes of Mobius the sky is the limit in terms of complexity but you can still keep things as simple as you like. Speaking of Mobius, if your friend just wants to loop then that can run as a standalone, it doesn't need a host. But then if she wants to experiment with various effects then Ableton is an excellent host, though others could work as well. Reaper, for one, is massively cheaper, is very stable and has extremely flexible audio routing capabilities. It isn't designed to be used live like Live is but if you just want a flexible host for plugins it could work well. Long story short, Ableton would probably work very well for her purposes but there are alternatives. I think they still have a 1 month fully functional trial period for Live. Probably worth checking out. On 7 April 2013 20:07, mark francombe wrote: > After watching the video, my advise to her would be to absolutely do > exactly what shes doing right now... its working real good. > Who needs multiple tracks, feedback, insert, halfspeed, varispeed, > multiply, divide, 16th note quantise substitute, when you got Overdub and > some motherfucking soul baby! > > Goosebumps here in Norway, and the snows all but gone... must be sommat > else! > > M > > > > On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 3:06 PM, andy butler >> wrote: >> > Per Boysen wrote: >> > >> >> I watched the linked video and can only say "go ahead and do it". She >> >> doesn't seem to be doing anything with the looping pedals that >> >> wouldn't be a piece of cake for Live. >> > >> > >> > Does Live let you tap in the first loop length nowadays? >> >> >> Live doesn't do that but a looper plugin does! I have tested Mobius in >> Live and it works well; you set up Mobius for your preferred allowed >> tempo range ("Max/Min Tempo") and to send MIDI Clock tempo data to >> Live. With this system you can just kick in a first loop of any >> length, from just a second up to several minutes and have Live + >> effects follow the tempo automatically calculated. No matter the >> length of the first loop you crate this way, Live will always hook up >> at a tempo according to Mobius set "Max/Min Tempo". >> >> Another option is to use Live's own looper plugin Looper. If you stay >> with loops of just a handful of bars length, like this artist does >> according to her demo video, this is very easy. You can decide if you >> want Looper to follow Live's pre set tempo or if Looper shall analyze >> the recorded first loop's tempo and implement that for the host - in >> that case you need to pre set the number of bars for the first loop to >> be recorded. . This Looper plugin doesn't stack up several alternate >> loops though. You may run several instances of Looper but need to be >> careful to only set one of them (or none) to act as the temp master. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> > > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > --bcaec54eea8aa0cb7204d9d6516e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I use Ableton's Looper effect quite a lot. =A0It's= very easy to use, there's nothing much to explain really. =A0If you ca= n work a loop pedal you can work Looper. =A0I like it a lot and it's a = great composition tool but there are a few niggles with it, the main one be= ing that it doesn't crossfade loop ends properly so you can get clicks = and pops where the loops join.

The main issue with 'going computerised' is eq= uipment -- having a solid and reliable laptop, audio interface and foot con= troller. =A0Once you start tinkering with the likes of Mobius the sky is th= e limit in terms of complexity but you can still keep things as simple as y= ou like. =A0Speaking of Mobius, if your friend just wants to loop then that= can run as a standalone, it doesn't need a host. =A0But then if she wa= nts to experiment with various effects then Ableton is an excellent host, t= hough others could work as well. =A0Reaper, for one, is massively cheaper, = is very stable and has extremely flexible audio routing capabilities. =A0It= isn't designed to be used live like Live is but if you just want a fle= xible host for plugins it could work well.

Long story short, Ableton would probably wo= rk very well for her purposes but there are alternatives. =A0I think they s= till have a 1 month fully functional trial period for Live. =A0Probably wor= th checking out.

On 7 Ap= ril 2013 20:07, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>= wrote:

After watching the video, m= y advise to her would be to absolutely do exactly what shes doing right now= ... its working real good.
Who needs multiple tracks, feedback, insert, halfspeed, varispeed, multiply= , divide, 16th note quantise substitute, when you got Overdub and some moth= erfucking soul baby!

Goosebumps here in Norway, and the snows all but gone... mus= t be sommat else!

M

On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:

On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 3:06 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> w= rote:
> Per Boysen wrote:
>
>> I watched the linked video and can only say "go ahead and do = it". She
>> doesn't seem to be doing anything with the looping pedals that=
>> wouldn't be a piece of cake for Live.
>
>
> Does Live let you tap in the first loop length nowadays?

Live doesn't do that but a looper plugin does! I have teste= d Mobius in
Live and it works well; you set up Mobius for your preferred allowed
tempo range ("Max/Min Tempo") and to send MIDI Clock tempo data t= o
Live. With this system you can just kick in a first loop of any
length, from just a second up to several minutes and have Live +
effects follow the tempo automatically calculated. No matter the
length of the first loop you crate this way, Live will always hook up
at a tempo according to Mobius set "Max/Min Tempo".

Another option is to use Live's own looper plugin Looper. If you stay with loops of just a handful of bars length, like this artist does
according to her demo video, this is very easy. You can decide if you
want Looper to follow Live's pre set tempo or if Looper shall analyze the recorded first loop's tempo and implement that for the host - in that case you need to pre set the number of bars for the first loop to
be recorded. . This Looper plugin doesn't stack up several alternate loops though. You may run several instances of Looper but need to be
careful to only set one of them (or none) to act as the temp master.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen

<= /div>--
Mark = Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>

--bcaec54eea8aa0cb7204d9d6516e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 13:03:47 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3905818351A; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:03:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 855318603/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.188.66/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.188.66 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAGm/YlFV0rxC/2dsb2JhbAANRMRkgR2DFAEBBDhAEQshFg8JAwIBAgFFHAGxcZJ9jyoWgysDnGSOKg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.87,431,1363132800"; d="scan'208";a="855318603" Message-ID: <5162C037.5050108@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 14:03:51 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New user of Ableton seeks help using it to replace loop pedals References: <20130406142849.648334yygl4k2ttd@webmail.musetrap.com> <516140AB.5000704@tiscali.co.uk> <51616F5F.9040107@tiscali.co.uk>

In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:03:47 +0000 (UTC) Philip Conway wrote: >Reaper, for one, is massively > cheaper, is very stable and has extremely flexible audio routing > capabilities. It isn't designed to be used live like Live is but if you > just want a flexible host for plugins it could work well. Downside with Ableton is the Midi routing. (apart from having to mime the first loop when using Ableton looper....which might be embarrassing) Also Plogue Bidule is good if you want to run audio plugins that take midi input and want it to just work without headaches. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 13:23:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B931183517; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:23:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=Nxni8+8t21bQ5JFETso8adXoYK01InQMQrRf4r+a/64=; b=gj1gyhgwDkoQWojC+1ysvKfQSt8H6UTBECQ6Go+LM0M0Ufv4Ym6+uOyGaXD1oS3UH0 clBNOk9M4yx0HEDgTlkTCnPkEH+sSyFkgXZAH3APG295Gf42wORQW4v7PWxKHnpV8U3l Y7XWZ/mOmiRBalGtsW9OiSOX1HMlHAyNp8CH0mdAcTQjyz5rvfY+3FNB7HNV5AyA00+g s3vtgn5p+DCoyYRi0M5fkAhSlW6hrS2EhldgLOisL2sy70I9e1uKGCo2MpT22qQPns+/ xXfdwHVLzDLGeAC4pTAsCK+LEZj/kU2wh3NMk8BlpKASfNR9MYbVSYSpRfDafoJLkbzv NMoA== X-Received: by 10.52.173.199 with SMTP id bm7mr3011879vdc.12.1365427433837; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 06:23:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.173.199 with SMTP id bm7mr3011873vdc.12.1365427433704; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 06:23:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5162C037.5050108@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20130406142849.648334yygl4k2ttd@webmail.musetrap.com> <516140AB.5000704@tiscali.co.uk> <51616F5F.9040107@tiscali.co.uk>

<5162C037.5050108@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 14:23:53 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New user of Ableton seeks help using it to replace loop pedals From: Philip Conway To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec51b1d9f271a7104d9d95915 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlODC9a8kCkpuMx9NxPfny3AO6gCConZvBKBoQgCRCmCT5PfoDM0j8l01lsLayjQsVzYcqpNlu5Np2HfsIAM4QQ5x1L7g0XS+a0KuIT5l+ev6ir6lIlObf09jBtTAALYb0MdoWc7CvrS22MSdFlDd4Sd3psuqQJ7S4FnY4AKIqK54BibgVRwOBZK8O+PhPrjvDwiS3B Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:23:56 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec51b1d9f271a7104d9d95915 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What's the problem with Live's midi routing? Also, why would one have to mime the first loop? Not doubting you, just not sure what you mean! On 8 April 2013 14:03, andy butler wrote: > > > Philip Conway wrote: > > Reaper, for one, is massively cheaper, is very stable and has extremely >> flexible audio routing capabilities. It isn't designed to be used live >> like Live is but if you just want a flexible host for plugins it could work >> well. >> > > Downside with Ableton is the Midi routing. > (apart from having to mime the first loop when using Ableton > looper....which might be embarrassing) > > Also Plogue Bidule is good if you want to run audio plugins > that take midi input and want it to just work without headaches. > > andy > > > > > > --bcaec51b1d9f271a7104d9d95915 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What's the problem with Live's midi routing? =A0Al= so, why would one have to mime the first loop? =A0Not doubting you, just no= t sure what you mean!

On 8 April 2013 14:03, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

Philip Conway wrote:

Reaper, for one, is massively cheaper, is very stable and has extremely fle= xible audio routing capabilities. =A0It isn't designed to be used live = like Live is but if you just want a flexible host for plugins it could work= well.

Downside with Ableton is the Midi routing.
(apart from having to mime the first loop when using Ableton looper....whic= h might be embarrassing)

Also Plogue Bidule is good if you want to run audio plugins
that take midi input and want it to just work without headaches.

andy

--bcaec51b1d9f271a7104d9d95915-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 13:51:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F69B18351B; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:51:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=7tuIa9LIYuhgw0L1njVV3sf9WNCZnDIacuA6G/tXnr4=; b=tKjikfPfRbKxTsw3qi9Rs0wXelcsO674ZrFH4S4zz0CH+tJkIuhAWiUc125qW2Ym7x 0J8YKI7F/aXc6pcYAlR3mRYHNtAjg0EP1yOUc0KLwAt3C4hcimpv1V56NJrLcm+zkIb3 rZ6+WpVh47Gtk6hoTEgEyPlxc/RDJmClGiZDduJU9nLioMt/Xo7WYKLP0ULUBLOx+sbX eQVWaOm7SDITtNfwzeMRG0AjJ5t4s5mFV30UysSgZEj6db+yGCA2UiDH0ohOkayAp3VG MkYRnKcTaiECJ3b30poK8elZYbcMK61ee8fuHUhYdcOFtaH9/rjNs19CDaxUKJrHi7sl IuPA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.176.163 with SMTP id cj3mr3590811vdc.35.1365429064285; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 06:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 15:51:04 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Anyone here tuning guitars in fifths? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:51:04 +0000 (UTC) The more I play fifths tuned string instruments (like the Cello and the Stick) the more I like it and I'm curious about if it would even be possible to tune a six stringed guitar in fifths? What I mean is that if starting by the low E the highest string would have to be awfully thin, as it would have to be tuned to Eb... oh my gosh, almost one octave higher than the normally tuned guitar's high E string! That just can't work. But if starting even lower at the bottom? From experimenting with down-tuning normal guitars I know that you can tune at C on the bass string without loosing too much good tone. Anyway, let's say we string up a guitar like a cello: C-G-D-A-E; as my five stringed cello goes. Adding a sixth string on a guitar would mean tuned to B - that is B one octave higher than the B string on a normal fourths tuned guitar. Something tells me that string will break every ten minutes :-) The more I'm thinking about it the more it seems to make sense to tun the fifths tuned guitar's highest string one octave lower, in the C based cello tuning that would imply (for 1st string) the same B note that a normal guitar has as 2nd. Then that string could be used for cluster and close voicing chord work. Imagining a guitar tuning going (low to high) C1 G1 D2 A2 E3 B2. That would definitely work as far as mechanics go. The A2 string and above should plain to allow glissando bending. When thinking about how chords and scales work out on such a fretboard it seems even better than the traditional guitar tuning. The key question here is how does such a tuning affect the feel and resonance of a normal electric guitar? So, has anyone tried it? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 14:02:26 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 535F418351E; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 14:02:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=FGkxfI9c1hIFDgyWIZL3sDulq5XSHPGxsLiFOjWsYGw=; b=Us0lh2ScqAFCb69BPb72/2ahH7KU/9E7PXxyfoPnqpMrxfW/eT2FFYr9f9Mn864myf GWpWvmou6srRq/h4RjE5smRejvVn3VcWu0ohUQLHrLNoTsFDMcDJfHp36ueV9R1upM1A neaGD5K6p16hXeN42WxIHF2u+aMHFf7k2JncEM8Dc5TWyn7Upkqn3I/JgmTilLZPoyli qknsCbfcQy9ZxrGGUshW3LiscFNemu6mGLYCe3++JjMjmzLLNcaUYZlzN8iFdVDuc3QI 79BO6sF9A90Nze0r4Yprb2qPY0BSz2mcpEMgC4LEjEyHYUS265HnxymPTS0j2OtSm7y7 UBFA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.95.33 with SMTP id dh1mr13337210vdb.52.1365429745641; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 07:02:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20130406142849.648334yygl4k2ttd@webmail.musetrap.com> <516140AB.5000704@tiscali.co.uk> <51616F5F.9040107@tiscali.co.uk>

<5162C037.5050108@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:02:25 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New user of Ableton seeks help using it to replace loop pedals From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 14:02:26 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Philip Conway wrote: > What's the problem with Live's midi routing? Also, why would one have to > mime the first loop? Not doubting you, just not sure what you mean! Not knowing what exactly Andy meant, but I can chime in here that I at least know that you can't send MIDI into the Return Tracks. And if you want to send MIDI into an Audio Track you need to go through a loopback trick (OS X or an add-on app if running Windows). As far as MIDI tracks go I see no restrictions in routing. So as long as you open plugins on a MIDI track you route MIDI to them. You don't always need to route MIDI into a plugin (or mixer part) in Live because Live also has its own MIDI control system with a fast MIDI Learn function for externally incoming MIDI data. But isn't that a bit over the top in this discussion answering a person that wants to replace a Roland looping pedal with Ableton Live? There's no such nifty MIDI routing at all on those pedals! :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 14:14:34 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A3C3183524; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 14:14:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=LGwgIGA5rz8UVhIjggtg/FcLPHKY6aXdJ1N6JQuk100=; b=tcr9zqGFT4smbRVdfh4Vtia+Pb8SP1/BZaFEb/E91hp9zCjNm0vRuZ7DWetCjAKBtH q5A3hWhq/OJOs2K+8dCKF1Y8i2CqFWzl7icY+PTTKJ7n9qWykJBmSKHA+Rwzs6Z1AiNt Od5S66K4KRMHf+0Mc/SDtssKZZoGBS7Y7PTQeLUB+gslmbMihpc56noTJQFbXZDB0kU7 6FoV1Grs49+MWysNt34rczGWbKWQa4Cx+Z+jdMlzj/V0ppUgl1Z6Ek8lM4FatOj4W5Cc iw5nA1qITNBiakynGDmW2SS5qrUs7zamJz+sToODdkYKI90iWUNAuD9H+d3KFAcO0VZR vmCQ== X-Received: by 10.180.39.207 with SMTP id r15mr13345831wik.16.1365430470898; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 07:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Subject: Re: Anyone here tuning guitars in fifths? From: Simeon Harris In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 15:14:28 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0B5C5B71-CDC2-4C34-9769-C7EB5924C400@googlemail.com> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 14:14:33 +0000 (UTC) i did do it once on my VG88, as you can have any tuning you like. i = think i started with B or C on the bottom. it was pretty freaky! i have = noticed a few players tuning in fourths all the way across with C and F = on the top two strings. the range is just so big with fifths and you're = limited by what you can do with the top string. A4 is common on 8 string = instruments with scale lengths from 24-25.5in, so if you work down from = there, you get Bb, F, C, G, D, A, which is doable if you move some = strings around, with what you would normally use for a B string on the 7 = string on the bottom (down a semi), then an E string (up a semi), then a = D string (down a tone), then a G string (no change!), an E string (down = a tone) and the 008in A string on top On 8 Apr 2013, at 14:51, Per Boysen wrote: > The more I play fifths tuned string instruments (like the Cello and > the Stick) the more I like it and I'm curious about if it would even > be possible to tune a six stringed guitar in fifths?=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 14:18:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3116183525; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 14:18:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=EfNRn1OqJ9wDkjIlBm2Kmy6tPJFUdZ6MJPZLSnDwD+Y=; b=igF/FP4Pu+ItcWXDIUG4B6BY7acX18irRsEvWZ8BlUtYo7VDCZxclextFb7XyP9+mX vn2PuSUFLRClSg8wV6d8QOeqOBk65jOm1dFKzkiWdcsAaKRD9DGUM3QhdIhYdRlCqMOF krj8sKbsPOEJvVAjXgdQhT9bUuMddKyuwqqCs9HUO5aKZKY53+lDG9zDLb0merjzHUDd miewHuYDbLAG5UZ0MUKSQ9lqyYX199AfSnuVU3fmoTFu/qREOsjFzwqsNGcwyXuoHamv YyFrefZ3mdeu2ZKgGVzEEaWUbLEN0Ad3x1EEYditd72P2YDiSeI4W6zXXcY/xLmniNry qVAw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.105.2 with SMTP id gi2mr6133408obb.15.1365430692898; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 07:18:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0B5C5B71-CDC2-4C34-9769-C7EB5924C400@googlemail.com> References: <0B5C5B71-CDC2-4C34-9769-C7EB5924C400@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 10:18:12 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Anyone here tuning guitars in fifths? From: Tony K To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1cdf06b49c804d9da1ba0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 14:18:13 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8ff1cdf06b49c804d9da1ba0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 That's nearly the New Standard Tuning except you tune the high string to G instead of B. On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Simeon Harris < simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > i did do it once on my VG88, as you can have any tuning you like. i think > i started with B or C on the bottom. it was pretty freaky! i have noticed a > few players tuning in fourths all the way across with C and F on the top > two strings. the range is just so big with fifths and you're limited by > what you can do with the top string. A4 is common on 8 string instruments > with scale lengths from 24-25.5in, so if you work down from there, you get > Bb, F, C, G, D, A, which is doable if you move some strings around, with > what you would normally use for a B string on the 7 string on the bottom > (down a semi), then an E string (up a semi), then a D string (down a tone), > then a G string (no change!), an E string (down a tone) and the 008in A > string on top > > On 8 Apr 2013, at 14:51, Per Boysen wrote: > > > The more I play fifths tuned string instruments (like the Cello and > > the Stick) the more I like it and I'm curious about if it would even > > be possible to tune a six stringed guitar in fifths? > > -- -==-=-=- Tony --e89a8ff1cdf06b49c804d9da1ba0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

That's nearly the New Standard Tuning except you tune = the high string to G instead of B.=A0

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Simeon = Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:

i did do it once on my VG88, as you can have= any tuning you like. i think i started with B or C on the bottom. it was p= retty freaky! i have noticed a few players tuning in fourths all the way ac= ross with C and F on the top two strings. the range is just so big with fif= ths and you're limited by what you can do with the top string. A4 is co= mmon on 8 string instruments with scale lengths from 24-25.5in, so if you w= ork down from there, you get Bb, F, C, G, D, A, which is doable if you move= some strings around, with what you would normally use for a B string on th= e 7 string on the bottom (down a semi), then an E string (up a semi), then = a D string (down a tone), then a G string (no change!), an E string (down a= tone) and the 008in A string on top

On 8 Apr 2013, at 14:51, Per Boysen wrote:

> The more I play fifths tuned string instruments (like the Cello and > the Stick) the more I like it and I'm curious about if it would ev= en
> be possible to tune a six stringed guitar in fifths?

--
-=3D=3D-=3D= -=3D-
Tony

--e89a8ff1cdf06b49c804d9da1ba0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 14:22:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1424C18352E; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 14:22:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "'Per Boysen'" , References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Anyone here tuning guitars in fifths? Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:22:00 +0200 Message-ID: <009501ce3464$6f646ef0$4e2d4cd0$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac40YByAqe9Zk3L5Ry6JlLLYUqDp7AABA3oA Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: <10Y-QD.A.pLE.JKtYRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 14:22:01 +0000 (UTC) hi Per, all the Guitar Crafties tune their guitars in fifths. Fripp's "New = Standard Tuning" is fifths all the way up and a minor third for the = highest string, so C G D A E G Because the strings tend to be very tight, I usually tune everything = down two half notes. -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 14:29:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5486418352A; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 14:29:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ldGQlRbYVivTTNxmEfBF3zqvMyCD1w5hBhx2MvV/HL8=; b=PLwnU+URRbfzeGH1hXZNvx0j8eSUTzn9xNjcWKKMi/ZhAtu0iyYdC5VBD4DrnGKNvU vuZu5cPcKlAGhK9oSF7AusC5JYOyF3tt5mVBpl0boYboqN91GzOvN5JKNgzoglpcz6GL JXM0Xb6YtmF2X+b0NdzpkNZ2o98De71Iv8JlnekzIa63EuUdZLy15oGndUf/CmKt+fbq Hp6iJpTQHOT33m10FBAIfNQb/Eccv4WOEqIO37wVYQJHDCquAja6AZpu+dhReSap8/fz j9anLSFoBUYCx66NbfeWNyCwZRelAf6Qz8VzTduOyVskDoFrpZS+MJXOleqwEnlVuFxm PdKw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.248.11 with SMTP id me11mr15835073vcb.26.1365431364225; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 07:29:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <0B5C5B71-CDC2-4C34-9769-C7EB5924C400@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:29:24 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Anyone here tuning guitars in fifths? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 14:29:25 +0000 (UTC) Cool guys, thanks for spilling the knowledge! I'm mostly interested in how players experience the guitar under this fifths tuning. Like... how does it affect the instrument's resonance? Sympathetic vibrations when letting a chord ring? etc, etc. But if there is a name for it, "New Standard" as Tony says, then fifths on a regular guitar must have been tested out by quite a few and found to work ok. Ah, thank you Michael for chiming in on the New Tuning Mystery. Now I understand. LOL. I think I'll try that but with the one-octave-lowered B on top instead of the G. This would make fingering cello equivalent and also add an exciting dimension of burdun and closed voicing (which is what you lose when going from fourths to fifths). So a handy compromise that might even not be a compromise at all but a "New Thing". Yes, "New Thing Tuning"... that's the future :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Tony K wrote: > That's nearly the New Standard Tuning except you tune the high string to G > instead of B. > > > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Simeon Harris > wrote: >> >> i did do it once on my VG88, as you can have any tuning you like. i think >> i started with B or C on the bottom. it was pretty freaky! i have noticed a >> few players tuning in fourths all the way across with C and F on the top two >> strings. the range is just so big with fifths and you're limited by what you >> can do with the top string. A4 is common on 8 string instruments with scale >> lengths from 24-25.5in, so if you work down from there, you get Bb, F, C, G, >> D, A, which is doable if you move some strings around, with what you would >> normally use for a B string on the 7 string on the bottom (down a semi), >> then an E string (up a semi), then a D string (down a tone), then a G string >> (no change!), an E string (down a tone) and the 008in A string on top >> >> On 8 Apr 2013, at 14:51, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> > The more I play fifths tuned string instruments (like the Cello and >> > the Stick) the more I like it and I'm curious about if it would even >> > be possible to tune a six stringed guitar in fifths? >> > > > > -- > -==-=-=- > Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 14:33:11 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E146183525; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 14:33:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com x-originating-ip: 208.109.97.160 Message-ID: <5162D522.8070006@soundscapes.us> Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 10:33:06 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Thought Radio Playlist for April 6, 2013. 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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 10:38:01 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Anyone here tuning guitars in fifths? From: Tony K To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0149c67443624904d9da626b Resent-Message-ID: <9NnrnB.A.jkE.KZtYRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 14:38:02 +0000 (UTC) --089e0149c67443624904d9da626b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 a brief explanation of the NST: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_standard_tuning On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Cool guys, thanks for spilling the knowledge! I'm mostly interested in > how players experience the guitar under this fifths tuning. Like... > how does it affect the instrument's resonance? Sympathetic vibrations > when letting a chord ring? etc, etc. But if there is a name for it, > "New Standard" as Tony says, then fifths on a regular guitar must have > been tested out by quite a few and found to work ok. > > Ah, thank you Michael for chiming in on the New Tuning Mystery. Now I > understand. LOL. I think I'll try that but with the one-octave-lowered > B on top instead of the G. This would make fingering cello equivalent > and also add an exciting dimension of burdun and closed voicing (which > is what you lose when going from fourths to fifths). So a handy > compromise that might even not be a compromise at all but a "New > Thing". Yes, "New Thing Tuning"... that's the future :-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Tony K wrote: > > That's nearly the New Standard Tuning except you tune the high string to > G > > instead of B. > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Simeon Harris > > wrote: > >> > >> i did do it once on my VG88, as you can have any tuning you like. i > think > >> i started with B or C on the bottom. it was pretty freaky! i have > noticed a > >> few players tuning in fourths all the way across with C and F on the > top two > >> strings. the range is just so big with fifths and you're limited by > what you > >> can do with the top string. A4 is common on 8 string instruments with > scale > >> lengths from 24-25.5in, so if you work down from there, you get Bb, F, > C, G, > >> D, A, which is doable if you move some strings around, with what you > would > >> normally use for a B string on the 7 string on the bottom (down a semi), > >> then an E string (up a semi), then a D string (down a tone), then a G > string > >> (no change!), an E string (down a tone) and the 008in A string on top > >> > >> On 8 Apr 2013, at 14:51, Per Boysen wrote: > >> > >> > The more I play fifths tuned string instruments (like the Cello and > >> > the Stick) the more I like it and I'm curious about if it would even > >> > be possible to tune a six stringed guitar in fifths? > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > -==-=-=- > > Tony > > -- -==-=-=- Tony --089e0149c67443624904d9da626b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

a brief explanation of the NST:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_= standard_tuning

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:

Cool guys, thanks for spilling the knowledge! I'm mostly interested in<= br> how players experience the guitar under this fifths tuning. Like...
how does it affect the instrument's resonance? Sympathetic vibrations when letting a chord ring? etc, etc. =A0But if there is a name for it,
"New Standard" as Tony says, then fifths on a regular guitar must= have
been tested out by quite a few and found to work ok.

Ah, thank you Michael for chiming in on the New Tuning Mystery. Now I
understand. LOL. I think I'll try that but with the one-octave-lowered<= br> B on top instead of the G. This would make fingering cello equivalent
and also add an exciting dimension of burdun and closed voicing (which
is what you lose when going from fourths to fifths). So a handy
compromise that might even not be a compromise at all but a "New
Thing". Yes, "New Thing Tuning"... that's the future :-)=

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 4:18 P= M, Tony K <bigtonyk@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:
> That's nearly the New Standard Tuning except you tune the high str= ing to G
> instead of B.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Simeon Harris
> <simeonharris40@go= oglemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> i did do it once on my VG88, as you can have any tuning you like. = i think
>> i started with B or C on the bottom. it was pretty freaky! i have = noticed a
>> few players tuning in fourths all the way across with C and F on t= he top two
>> strings. the range is just so big with fifths and you're limit= ed by what you
>> can do with the top string. A4 is common on 8 string instruments w= ith scale
>> lengths from 24-25.5in, so if you work down from there, you get Bb= , F, C, G,
>> D, A, which is doable if you move some strings around, with what y= ou would
>> normally use for a B string on the 7 string on the bottom (down a = semi),
>> then an E string (up a semi), then a D string (down a tone), then = a G string
>> (no change!), an E string (down a tone) and the 008in A string on = top
>>
>> On 8 Apr 2013, at 14:51, Per Boysen wrote:
>>
>> > The more I play fifths tuned string instruments (like the Cel= lo and
>> > the Stick) the more I like it and I'm curious about if it= would even
>> > be possible to tune a six stringed guitar in fifths?
>>
>
>
>
> --
> -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D-
> Tony

--
-=3D=3D-=3D= -=3D-
Tony

--089e0149c67443624904d9da626b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 14:41:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 775FE183521; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 14:41:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 851822677/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.188.66/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.188.66 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAMzWYlFV0rxC/2dsb2JhbAANRMRkgR6DEwEBAQQ4QBELGAkWDwkDAgECAUUcAbIDkwOPKhaDKwOcZI4q X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.87,432,1363132800"; d="scan'208";a="851822677" Message-ID: <5162D726.7020106@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 15:41:42 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anyone here tuning guitars in fifths? References: <0B5C5B71-CDC2-4C34-9769-C7EB5924C400@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 14:41:36 +0000 (UTC) Tony K wrote: > That's nearly the New Standard Tuning except you tune the high string to > G instead of B. CGDAEG NST (devised by Fripp) was quite popular on LD at one time, with plenty of string gauge discussion. I've not tried it ( I like to use close harmony chords ) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 14:47:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58E1F183525; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 14:47:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1002 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 14:47:02 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=iEJqr2wXQwmcVALrcAmoTHV6YfIIeeoZJyHQr/WkYtEBUeF7t3idlypIk8TlxXuE; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0B5C5B71-CDC2-4C34-9769-C7EB5924C400@googlemail.com> References: <0B5C5B71-CDC2-4C34-9769-C7EB5924C400@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 10:30:14 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Anyone here tuning guitars in fifths? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79f801b1ae12616fd00335af3a2079d824350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 14:47:03 +0000 (UTC) Yes, I tune one of my Steinbergers in straight fifths. http://jpsongs.com/troubadortech/zwickrig.htm -Chuck Zwicky -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 14:49:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45C1F18353B; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 14:49:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=foeE/yEf c=1 sm=1 a=UncmS/Am0Fgh8c8TZh5eWA==:17 a=TyJ6pKr7KWMA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=-mq_d3VyJoUA:10 a=dMZfGW12AAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=mK_AVkanAAAA:8 a=XfUqnekxT8wOAqsG6kcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=9xyTavCNlvEA:10 a=UncmS/Am0Fgh8c8TZh5eWA==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Subject: Re: Anyone here tuning guitars in fifths? From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 07:49:34 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9001CE38-04B1-4C24-9390-B6731A405309@charter.net> References: <0B5C5B71-CDC2-4C34-9769-C7EB5924C400@googlemail.com>

To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Resent-Message-ID: <7NLoj.A.25E._jtYRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 14:49:36 +0000 (UTC) Per, Since for the past 20 years or so I've been tuning the first 3 strings = of my guitar C G D, I've often wondered what it would be like to = continue tuning the other 3 strings in 5ths as well. But because I use the tremolo bar so much, the very thought of all that = extra tension on the high strings (and the tendency to break 'em) gave = me pause. I never did try it, nor any of the variants mentioned. I pretty much have just stayed with my own weird C G D G B D tuning all = these years. Maybe I could get minor points for getting half way there. I pretty much use that one tuning on all my guitars, except for my = resonator which is tweaked up to D A E A C# E. I wish you well on your experiments Per. Ciao! Ted On Apr 8, 2013, at 7:29 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Cool guys, thanks for spilling the knowledge! I'm mostly interested in > how players experience the guitar under this fifths tuning. Like... > how does it affect the instrument's resonance? Sympathetic vibrations > when letting a chord ring? etc, etc. But if there is a name for it, > "New Standard" as Tony says, then fifths on a regular guitar must have > been tested out by quite a few and found to work ok. >=20 > Ah, thank you Michael for chiming in on the New Tuning Mystery. Now I > understand. LOL. I think I'll try that but with the one-octave-lowered > B on top instead of the G. This would make fingering cello equivalent > and also add an exciting dimension of burdun and closed voicing (which > is what you lose when going from fourths to fifths). So a handy > compromise that might even not be a compromise at all but a "New > Thing". Yes, "New Thing Tuning"... that's the future :-) >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Tony K wrote: >> That's nearly the New Standard Tuning except you tune the high string = to G >> instead of B. >>=20 >>=20 >> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Simeon Harris >> wrote: >>>=20 >>> i did do it once on my VG88, as you can have any tuning you like. i = think >>> i started with B or C on the bottom. it was pretty freaky! i have = noticed a >>> few players tuning in fourths all the way across with C and F on the = top two >>> strings. the range is just so big with fifths and you're limited by = what you >>> can do with the top string. A4 is common on 8 string instruments = with scale >>> lengths from 24-25.5in, so if you work down from there, you get Bb, = F, C, G, >>> D, A, which is doable if you move some strings around, with what you = would >>> normally use for a B string on the 7 string on the bottom (down a = semi), >>> then an E string (up a semi), then a D string (down a tone), then a = G string >>> (no change!), an E string (down a tone) and the 008in A string on = top >>>=20 >>> On 8 Apr 2013, at 14:51, Per Boysen wrote: >>>=20 >>>> The more I play fifths tuned string instruments (like the Cello and >>>> the Stick) the more I like it and I'm curious about if it would = even >>>> be possible to tune a six stringed guitar in fifths? >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D- >> Tony >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 14:53:34 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2442E183541; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 14:53:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 845876316/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.188.66/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.188.66 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBADPZYlFV0rxC/2dsb2JhbAANRMRkgR6DEwEBAQMBOEYLCxgJJQ8CRhwBiAqqBZMDjyoWgysDnGSOKg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.87,432,1363132800"; d="scan'208";a="845876316" Message-ID: <5162D9F4.50708@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 15:53:40 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New user of Ableton seeks help using it to replace loop pedals References: <20130406142849.648334yygl4k2ttd@webmail.musetrap.com> <516140AB.5000704@tiscali.co.uk> <51616F5F.9040107@tiscali.co.uk>

<5162C037.5050108@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 14:53:33 +0000 (UTC) Philip Conway wrote: > What's the problem with Live's midi routing? While it's possible to route midi to a plugin on a track it's not intuitive. ..and then when the midi gets to your plugin it's all changed to Channel 1 I do have a HOWTO for sending midi to a plugin on an Ableton track, (compiled with Per's help). If anyone needs that just ask. > Also, why would one have > to mime the first loop? Not doubting you, just not sure what you mean! The Ableton looper doesn't let you set the tempo by tapping in the loop. Workaround is to pre-record a first layer that works as a click track. Consequently, miming the first loop is not unheard of. Per Boysen wrote: > But isn't that a bit over the top in this discussion answering a > person that wants to replace a Roland looping pedal with Ableton Live? probably > There's no such nifty MIDI routing at all on those pedals! :-) but midi control is usually needed for software looping... yes? andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 14:53:44 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACB14183548; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 14:53:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=mTCVruHzZXzhpKIzS37T4b4tnY1l0ct875G8m5lSc5A=; b=KfopZI4t3YTmY3yVCd66m48VZlw5g2bR6gAdes7AiJEtq+dVlypJ6FHrhvg9ta13ou YkG1v2TepVPfpzAVx+3uk7oRQ1VIDkjV6l4264VUpZcRVXyxt4TckLVITFjcSMENApaF t3uaeNOZ4xFT28GIgO2qUdRHaxrHjYM/J6mrSxGy81E0qPYp3tf/09TlWLeYhV4xqYBV jzgMN0lxclp/1j3b8GcVZb4eOuNHLa7g4bok0V+e3OlS9QgLFOP4vNAvdgXaSVBvlAzo 7sRpw1HV75TWZ7MHBSflV3RbxcTJ9ZBZC+rnwUo2OJie2XNdqGICCJYPNLc25ah4gYCm A8/Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.14.0.73 with SMTP id 49mr49811712eea.21.1365432823210; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 07:53:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9001CE38-04B1-4C24-9390-B6731A405309@charter.net> References: <0B5C5B71-CDC2-4C34-9769-C7EB5924C400@googlemail.com>

<9001CE38-04B1-4C24-9390-B6731A405309@charter.net> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:53:43 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Anyone here tuning guitars in fifths? From: Doc Rossi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b60525e649bc504d9da9a8f Resent-Message-ID: <6H_AZC.A.MHF.4ntYRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 14:53:44 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b60525e649bc504d9da9a8f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have a mixed fourths and fifths tuning that I like - A or B at the bottom then E B F# B E. On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Ted Killian wrote: > Per, > > Since for the past 20 years or so I've been tuning the first 3 strings of > my guitar C G D, I've often wondered what it would be like to continue > tuning the other 3 strings in 5ths as well. > > But because I use the tremolo bar so much, the very thought of all that > extra tension on the high strings (and the tendency to break 'em) gave me > pause. > > I never did try it, nor any of the variants mentioned. > > I pretty much have just stayed with my own weird C G D G B D tuning all > these years. > > Maybe I could get minor points for getting half way there. > > I pretty much use that one tuning on all my guitars, except for my > resonator which is tweaked up to D A E A C# E. > > I wish you well on your experiments Per. > > Ciao! > > Ted > > On Apr 8, 2013, at 7:29 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > > Cool guys, thanks for spilling the knowledge! I'm mostly interested in > > how players experience the guitar under this fifths tuning. Like... > > how does it affect the instrument's resonance? Sympathetic vibrations > > when letting a chord ring? etc, etc. But if there is a name for it, > > "New Standard" as Tony says, then fifths on a regular guitar must have > > been tested out by quite a few and found to work ok. > > > > Ah, thank you Michael for chiming in on the New Tuning Mystery. Now I > > understand. LOL. I think I'll try that but with the one-octave-lowered > > B on top instead of the G. This would make fingering cello equivalent > > and also add an exciting dimension of burdun and closed voicing (which > > is what you lose when going from fourths to fifths). So a handy > > compromise that might even not be a compromise at all but a "New > > Thing". Yes, "New Thing Tuning"... that's the future :-) > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.perboysen.com > > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Tony K wrote: > >> That's nearly the New Standard Tuning except you tune the high string > to G > >> instead of B. > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Simeon Harris > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> i did do it once on my VG88, as you can have any tuning you like. i > think > >>> i started with B or C on the bottom. it was pretty freaky! i have > noticed a > >>> few players tuning in fourths all the way across with C and F on the > top two > >>> strings. the range is just so big with fifths and you're limited by > what you > >>> can do with the top string. A4 is common on 8 string instruments with > scale > >>> lengths from 24-25.5in, so if you work down from there, you get Bb, F, > C, G, > >>> D, A, which is doable if you move some strings around, with what you > would > >>> normally use for a B string on the 7 string on the bottom (down a > semi), > >>> then an E string (up a semi), then a D string (down a tone), then a G > string > >>> (no change!), an E string (down a tone) and the 008in A string on top > >>> > >>> On 8 Apr 2013, at 14:51, Per Boysen wrote: > >>> > >>>> The more I play fifths tuned string instruments (like the Cello and > >>>> the Stick) the more I like it and I'm curious about if it would even > >>>> be possible to tune a six stringed guitar in fifths? > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> -==-=-=- > >> Tony > > > > --047d7b60525e649bc504d9da9a8f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have a mixed fourths and fifths tuning that I like - A o= r B at the bottom then E B F# B E.=A0

<= br>

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Ted Killian <= span dir=3D"ltr"><tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:

Per,

Since for the past 20 years or so I've been tuning the first 3 strings = of my guitar C G D, I've often wondered what it would be like to contin= ue tuning the other 3 strings in 5ths as well.

But because I use the tremolo bar so much, the very thought of all that ext= ra tension on the high strings (and the tendency to break 'em) gave me = pause.

I never did try it, nor any of the variants mentioned.

I pretty much have just stayed with my own weird C G D G B D tuning all the= se years.

Maybe I could get minor points for getting half way there.

I pretty much use that one tuning on all my guitars, except for my resonato= r which is tweaked up to D A E A C# E.

I wish you well on your experiments Per.

Ciao!

Ted

On Apr 8, 2013, at 7:29 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

> Cool guys, thanks for spilling the knowledge! I'm mostly intereste= d in
> how players experience the guitar under this fifths tuning. Like... > how does it affect the instrument's resonance? Sympathetic vibrati= ons
> when letting a chord ring? etc, etc. =A0But if there is a name for it,=
> "New Standard" as Tony says, then fifths on a regular guitar= must have
> been tested out by quite a few and found to work ok.
>
> Ah, thank you Michael for chiming in on the New Tuning Mystery. Now I<= br> > understand. LOL. I think I'll try that but with the one-octave-low= ered
> B on top instead of the G. This would make fingering cello equivalent<= br> > and also add an exciting dimension of burdun and closed voicing (which=
> is what you lose when going from fourths to fifths). So a handy
> compromise that might even not be a compromise at all but a "New<= br> > Thing". Yes, "New Thing Tuning"... that's the futur= e :-)
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.c= om
> http://= www.youtube.com/perboysen
>
>

> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Tony K = <bigtonyk@gmail.com> wrote:=
>> That's nearly the New Standard Tuning except you tune the high= string to G
>> instead of B.
>>
>>

>> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 = at 10:14 AM, Simeon Harris
>> <simeonharris4= 0@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> i did do it once on my VG88, as you can have any tuning you li= ke. i think
>>> i started with B or C on the bottom. it was pretty freaky! i h= ave noticed a
>>> few players tuning in fourths all the way across with C and F = on the top two
>>> strings. the range is just so big with fifths and you're l= imited by what you
>>> can do with the top string. A4 is common on 8 string instrumen= ts with scale
>>> lengths from 24-25.5in, so if you work down from there, you ge= t Bb, F, C, G,
>>> D, A, which is doable if you move some strings around, with wh= at you would
>>> normally use for a B string on the 7 string on the bottom (dow= n a semi),
>>> then an E string (up a semi), then a D string (down a tone), t= hen a G string
>>> (no change!), an E string (down a tone) and the 008in A string= on top
>>>
>>> On 8 Apr 2013, at 14:51, Per Boysen wrote:
>>>
>>>> The more I play fifths tuned string instruments (like the = Cello and
>>>> the Stick) the more I like it and I'm curious about if= it would even
>>>> be possible to tune a six stringed guitar in fifths?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D-
>> Tony
>

--047d7b60525e649bc504d9da9a8f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 15:00:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98BB118352C; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 15:00:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=lzs2VveOHdj9uhKxFm38J/586nJOEkEuxJIe0lGtHHk=; b=OQ5X/yK7aQA8ZA8fcyJMZEE/wvsYRAL+730tRUUF+RjLhoLoNmCJRfd+6FLe9Al4lz 0+VotzVet04O/4SuQvG+SOs8Yf5iOvcGL6pYOmU5lVhciyJm/eWZNObtvVkUZeOYEM7e pmttlcd689SCnl+MOjWwDuvVW1zPT4h0Sd2mKpQwQuStgYHjYKFD4UHljpdwzswSfOkP qcTVZUUqMeZu01zweRwq5N9ewfTkHQnIXzE++xXIdX7RCTuXAU3LF8SpFl7JGrm7fYZH EVanLumgtxyGo7TIOqBV4NgvbQrRxuhpQFTxn4yauhWRP0fAggUy3FvPiIigrwC81UuS J6GA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.237.50 with SMTP id uz18mr5560717obc.51.1365433218647; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 08:00:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 07:00:18 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Anyone here tuning guitars in fifths? From: Dennis Moser To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff2511cf64e3104d9dab1e8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 15:00:19 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8ff2511cf64e3104d9dab1e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep =97 started tuning the xtSA with the NST about 4 years ago =97 CGDAEG = =97 but took the precaution of adjusting the string gauges, which allows a bit of "bending" on the higher strings. As for feel, no noticeable difference. Resonance I think is dependent upon the instrument. I did notice that the xtSA is especially resonant with a dropped-D tuning; the NST seems to a bit more resonant, but it could all be subjective. Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 5:51 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > The more I play fifths tuned string instruments (like the Cello and > the Stick) the more I like it and I'm curious about if it would even > be possible to tune a six stringed guitar in fifths? What I mean is > that if starting by the low E the highest string would have to be > awfully thin, as it would have to be tuned to Eb... oh my gosh, almost > one octave higher than the normally tuned guitar's high E string! That > just can't work. > > But if starting even lower at the bottom? From experimenting with > down-tuning normal guitars I know that you can tune at C on the bass > string without loosing too much good tone. Anyway, let's say we string > up a guitar like a cello: C-G-D-A-E; as my five stringed cello goes. > Adding a sixth string on a guitar would mean tuned to B - that is B > one octave higher than the B string on a normal fourths tuned guitar. > Something tells me that string will break every ten minutes :-) > > The more I'm thinking about it the more it seems to make sense to tun > the fifths tuned guitar's highest string one octave lower, in the C > based cello tuning that would imply (for 1st string) the same B note > that a normal guitar has as 2nd. Then that string could be used for > cluster and close voicing chord work. Imagining a guitar tuning going > (low to high) C1 G1 D2 A2 E3 B2. That would definitely work as far as > mechanics go. The A2 string and above should plain to allow glissando > bending. When thinking about how chords and scales work out on such a > fretboard it seems even better than the traditional guitar tuning. The > key question here is how does such a tuning affect the feel and > resonance of a normal electric guitar? So, has anyone tried it? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > --e89a8ff2511cf64e3104d9dab1e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yep =97 started tuning the xtSA with the NST about 4 years= ago =97 CGDAEG =97 but took the precaution of adjusting the string gauges,= which allows a bit of "bending" on the higher strings.

<= /div>

As for feel, no noticeable difference. Resonance I think is depe= ndent upon the instrument. I did notice that the xtSA is especially resonan= t with a dropped-D tuning; the NST seems to a bit more resonant, but it cou= ld all be subjective.

Best,

= Dennis

http://soundcloud.com/= usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com=
http:= //usrslashsbin.angrek.com/

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 5:51 AM, Per Boys= en <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

The more I play fifths tuned string instruments (like the Cello and
the Stick) the more I like it and I'm curious about if it would even be possible to tune a six stringed guitar in fifths? What I mean is
that if starting by the low E the highest string would have to be
awfully thin, as it would have to be tuned to Eb... oh my gosh, almost
one octave higher than the normally tuned guitar's high E string! That<= br> just can't work.

But if starting even lower at the bottom? From experimenting with
down-tuning normal guitars I know that you can tune at C on the bass
string without loosing too much good tone. Anyway, let's say we string<= br> up a guitar like a cello: C-G-D-A-E; as my five stringed cello goes.
Adding a sixth string on a guitar would mean tuned to B - that is B
one octave higher than the B string on a normal fourths tuned guitar.
Something tells me that string will break every ten minutes :-)

The more I'm thinking about it the more it seems to make sense to tun the fifths tuned guitar's highest string one octave lower, in the C
based cello tuning that would imply (for 1st string) the same B note
that a normal guitar has as 2nd. Then that string could be used for
cluster and close voicing chord work. Imagining a guitar tuning going
(low to high) C1 G1 D2 A2 E3 B2. That would definitely work as far as
mechanics go. The A2 string and above should plain to allow glissando
bending. When thinking about how chords and scales work out on such a
fretboard it seems even better than the traditional guitar tuning. The
key question here is how does such a tuning affect the feel and
resonance of a normal electric guitar? So, has anyone tried it?

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen

--e89a8ff2511cf64e3104d9dab1e8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 15:06:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E2A3183530; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 15:06:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 300 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 15:06:05 UTC X-EIP: [yRKlhIBDZoLekaWA55fsXPpqKR3fycQt] X-Originating-Email: [joy_top@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_5e87c36d-0fa0-4fb9-a629-b82f23ea10f5_" From: joy_top top To: Subject: Re: Anyone here tuning guitars in fifths? Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 08:01:05 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2013 15:01:05.0745 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4EFBC10:01CE3469] Resent-Message-ID: <7_petD.A.qaF.dztYRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 15:06:05 +0000 (UTC) --_5e87c36d-0fa0-4fb9-a629-b82f23ea10f5_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I did for a while=2C can't remember what tuning I used. Just that I didnt h= ave the time to deal with it. I'm fairly sure it was a guitar craft tuning= Frippish = --_5e87c36d-0fa0-4fb9-a629-b82f23ea10f5_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I did for a while=2C can'=3Bt= remember what tuning I used. Just that I didnt have the time to deal with = it. =3B =3BI'=3Bm fairly sure it was a guitar craft tuning Fripp= ish

= --_5e87c36d-0fa0-4fb9-a629-b82f23ea10f5_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 15:08:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C62EB183530; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 15:08:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=dIr+A5lb c=1 sm=1 a=UncmS/Am0Fgh8c8TZh5eWA==:17 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=lJR6IuCCEj4A:10 a=SOqDJ4m39yeIdwKqRL4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=UncmS/Am0Fgh8c8TZh5eWA==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Subject: Re: Looperlative LP2 review From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: <1B903C6E-E3D6-43D4-BEA1-828153BA0C3A@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 08:08:02 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1B903C6E-E3D6-43D4-BEA1-828153BA0C3A@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 15:08:03 +0000 (UTC) Mike, Thanks for all of that gear appetite-whetting information.=20 I have sort of been sitting on the sidelines waiting for production of = the LP-2 to get into full-swing before making a move to buy one. I sometimes despair that the process will ever get there. Presently there seems to be a substantial and slow-moving queue for = units built in small batches...or one at a time. I don't blame Bob - it's just the nature of how things are. I don't get in that queue because one month I have money and the next = month I don't. And that's another aspect of "just just the nature of how things are." I think it would be wonderful if somehow Kickstarter could be used to = jump-start production, marketing, and sales to the point that he could = hire employees and get the whole thing up and going to where all he had = to do was supervise and not build every single unit himself (probably a = naive notion). Your review is tantalizing...and I continue to wait. Thanks! Ted On Apr 7, 2013, at 1:34 AM, Mike Oneil wrote: > Dear All, > I am a happy owner of a Looperlative LP2. I understand that there = were problems with the initial roll-out of this product; in fact the = first version of this pedal that I received (after the long wait that = frustrated a lot of people) was un satisfactory with very poor sound = quality. I already owned an LP-1 (since 2007) so I was well-aware of = the high quality of Bob Amstadt's work including customer service. > In view of the problems with my LP2, Bob very quickly proposed a = partial but substantial refund with the understanding that I would = receive the next Looperlative innovation free. That next innovation was = a new circuit board which arrived with instructions on how to place it = in the housing, which I succeeded in doing with Bob's help. > I say in all sincerity that to me, the LP2 is the most interesting = looping pedal I know of. I have owned a Boomerang, and an EH 16 sec = Delay (both since sold). I still own a Line 6 DL4 and M9 as well as an = EDP digital pro and an LP1. While the LP1 and the EDP are both = fantastic, they are quite big and a bit unwieldy to bring to gigs, while = the LP2 is a wonderful creative tool in a very simple small package. > What do I love about the LP2? > I love it's many unique possibilities of audio manipulation. All the = quantize replace functions (thank you Rick!) allow the creation of = surprising rhythmic patterns which can emerge from playing stuff that's = not rhythmic at all . The retrigger functions (random, once and = continuous) also have very creative applications in live playing. 1/4 = speed allows, very, very high, music box-like stuff, or very very low = sub bass stuff. > There is, of course, reverse and 1/2 speed, but I wanted to put the = emphasis on what's unique about the LP2. > Finally, since yesterday I have connected an expression pedal to the = feedback jack which enables you to fade out your loops . Last but not = least the undo function works really well and used in conjunction with = feedback allows you to return to previous loops which you have faded = out. The LP2 also automatically stores your loops on the little card. > So to end, this is my absolute favorite looping pedal with creative = possibilities I've only begun to explore. If you're interested in the = creative, audio manipulating side of looping you can't go wrong with the = LP2. Much respect and gratitude to Bob Amstadt and to Rick Walker for = inspiring many of its features. > Sincerely, > Mike O'Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 15:51:09 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E65E3183537; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 15:51:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=sfmLc+Oyga+5hXFeIpeMxF1LSo9A+1aCjlIyj0AWC/w=; b=D6DJADYWbhh/mEMtE1A0QFAlJaweY1VAVkLv0KORmjpNK0xsQdMYp7gJdrU7cKd3ew oIRscNtcowLZfBBOinM42nCJcwikTUP2nJMucMrSaxEwsNTz5lljwkSYOtquDK0OXwwE Xs7rvVWbqlrzK0KKLw/dPkvnzETW3fz1Z0/0ShmeNUjLHZddC4FxEHQfwfdWE7lEMNL6 1ClbLjfr7uK6T3Yoc5C/rKEbHQusZWZJoNI0JtLUuwJcPbQI9SAQ8qJFp7ntBTkzSQZx bTy0qBL6N6xzLUeO2JMIBuLzkTMdsvH4ztNg4Xt1A7ddMjrh7SiwGx85fYxmCVI3JDcq 0yeg== X-Received: by 10.236.37.40 with SMTP id x28mr13125056yha.127.1365436268060; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 08:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <71C939CABB0C4E14A1E1CE4FAD28EE64@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Anyone here tuning guitars in fifths? Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 09:51:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 15:51:08 +0000 (UTC) I did years ago, and I know you problem! I had to put extra heavy strings on and start really low...like a low C....otherwise, by the time you get to the high e string, they are ready to pop off or break your neck in two. LOL Sounds cool thought, especially if you play the guitar as if it were still tuned normally. -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 7:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Anyone here tuning guitars in fifths? 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I have been in the queue since last Fa= ll, and I think it is worth waiting for. Tim Mungenast Editor/Writer/Proofreader: www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast Guitarist/Composer/Vocalist: www.reverbnation.com/timmungenast --- On Mon, 4/8/13, Ted Killian wrote: From: Ted Killian Subject: Re: Looperlative LP2 review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, April 8, 2013, 11:08 AM Mike, Thanks for all of that gear appetite-whetting information.=20 I have sort of been sitting on the sidelines waiting for production of the = LP-2 to get into full-swing before making a move to buy one. I sometimes despair that the process will ever get there. Presently there seems to be a substantial and slow-moving queue for units b= uilt in small batches...or one at a time. I don't blame Bob - it's just the nature of how things are. I don't get in that queue because one month I have money and the next month= I don't. And that's another aspect of "just just the nature of how things are." I think it would be wonderful if somehow Kickstarter could be used to jump-= start production, marketing, and sales to the point that he could hire empl= oyees and get the whole thing up and going to where all he had to do was su= pervise and not build every single unit himself (probably a naive notion). Your review is tantalizing...and I continue to wait. Thanks! Ted On Apr 7, 2013, at 1:34 AM, Mike Oneil wrote: > Dear All, > I am a happy owner of a Looperlative LP2.=A0 I understand that there were= problems with the initial roll-out of this product; in fact the first vers= ion of this pedal that I received (after the long wait that frustrated a lo= t of people) was un satisfactory with very poor sound quality.=A0 I already= owned an LP-1 (since 2007) so I was well-aware of the high quality of Bob = Amstadt's work including customer service. > In view of the problems with my LP2, Bob very quickly proposed a partial = but substantial refund with the understanding that I would receive the next= Looperlative innovation free.=A0 That next innovation was a new circuit bo= ard which arrived with instructions on how to place it in the housing, whic= h I succeeded in doing with Bob's help. > I say in all sincerity that to me, the LP2 is the most interesting loopin= g pedal I know of.=A0 I have owned a Boomerang, and an EH 16 sec Delay=A0 (= both since sold).=A0 I still own a Line 6 DL4 and M9 as well as an EDP digi= tal pro and an LP1.=A0 While the LP1 and the EDP are both fantastic, they a= re quite big and a bit unwieldy to bring to gigs, while the LP2 is a wonder= ful creative tool in a very simple small package. > What do I love about the LP2? > I love it's many unique possibilities of audio manipulation.=A0 All the q= uantize replace functions (thank you Rick!) allow the creation of surprisin= g rhythmic patterns which can emerge from playing stuff that's not rhythmic= at all .=A0 The retrigger functions (random, once and continuous) also hav= e very creative applications in live playing. 1/4 speed allows, very, very = high, music box-like stuff, or very very low sub bass stuff. > There is, of course, reverse and 1/2 speed, but I wanted to put the empha= sis on what's unique about the LP2. > Finally, since yesterday I have connected an expression pedal to the feed= back jack which enables you to fade out your loops .=A0 Last but not least = the undo function works really well and used in conjunction with feedback a= llows you to return to previous loops which you have faded out. The LP2 als= o automatically stores your loops on the little card. > So to end, this is my absolute favorite looping pedal with creative possi= bilities I've only begun to explore.=A0 If you're interested in the creativ= e, audio manipulating side of looping you can't go wrong with the LP2. Much= respect and gratitude to Bob Amstadt and to Rick Walker for inspiring many= of its features. > Sincerely, > Mike O'Neil ---1298053209-612167616-1365436364=:19629 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks for sharing your experiences. I ha= ve been in the queue since last Fall, and I think it is worth waiting for.<= br>
Tim Mungenast
Editor/Writer/Proof= reader: www.linkedin.com= /in/timmungenast
Guitarist/Composer/Vocalist: www.rev= erbnation.com/timmungenast

--- On Mon, 4/8/13, Ted Killian <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:

From: Ted Killian <tedkillian@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Loo= perlative LP2 review
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Mo= nday, April 8, 2013, 11:08 AM

Mike,

= Thanks for all of that gear appetite-whetting information.

I have s= ort of been sitting on the sidelines waiting for production of the LP-2 to = get into full-swing before making a move to buy one.

I sometimes des= pair that the process will ever get there.

Presently there seems to = be a substantial and slow-moving queue for units built in small batches...o= r one at a time.

I don't blame Bob - it's just the nature of how thi= ngs are.

I don't get in that queue because one month I have money an= d the next month I don't.

And that's another aspect of "just just the nature of how things are."

I think it would be wonderful if som= ehow Kickstarter could be used to jump-start production, marketing, and sal= es to the point that he could hire employees and get the whole thing up and= going to where all he had to do was supervise and not build every single u= nit himself (probably a naive notion).

Your review is tantalizing...= and I continue to wait.

Thanks!

Ted

On Apr 7, 2013, at= 1:34 AM, Mike Oneil wrote:

> Dear All,
> I am a happy owne= r of a Looperlative LP2. I understand that there were problems with t= he initial roll-out of this product; in fact the first version of this peda= l that I received (after the long wait that frustrated a lot of people) was= un satisfactory with very poor sound quality. I already owned an LP-= 1 (since 2007) so I was well-aware of the high quality of Bob Amstadt's wor= k including customer service.
> In view of the problems with my LP2, Bob very quickly proposed a partial but substantial refund with th= e understanding that I would receive the next Looperlative innovation free.= That next innovation was a new circuit board which arrived with inst= ructions on how to place it in the housing, which I succeeded in doing with= Bob's help.
> I say in all sincerity that to me, the LP2 is the most= interesting looping pedal I know of. I have owned a Boomerang, and a= n EH 16 sec Delay (both since sold). I still own a Line 6 DL4 a= nd M9 as well as an EDP digital pro and an LP1. While the LP1 and the= EDP are both fantastic, they are quite big and a bit unwieldy to bring to = gigs, while the LP2 is a wonderful creative tool in a very simple small pac= kage.
> What do I love about the LP2?
> I love it's many unique= possibilities of audio manipulation. All the quantize replace functi= ons (thank you Rick!) allow the creation of surprising rhythmic patterns which can emerge from playing stuff that's not rhythmic at all .&= nbsp; The retrigger functions (random, once and continuous) also have very = creative applications in live playing. 1/4 speed allows, very, very high, m= usic box-like stuff, or very very low sub bass stuff.
> There is, of = course, reverse and 1/2 speed, but I wanted to put the emphasis on what's u= nique about the LP2.
> Finally, since yesterday I have connected an e= xpression pedal to the feedback jack which enables you to fade out your loo= ps . Last but not least the undo function works really well and used = in conjunction with feedback allows you to return to previous loops which y= ou have faded out. The LP2 also automatically stores your loops on the litt= le card.
> So to end, this is my absolute favorite looping pedal with= creative possibilities I've only begun to explore. If you're interes= ted in the creative, audio manipulating side of looping you can't go wrong with the LP2. Much respect and gratitude to Bob Amstadt and to Rick = Walker for inspiring many of its features.
> Sincerely,
> Mike = O'Neil

---1298053209-612167616-1365436364=:19629-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 16:00:46 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B07C4183532; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:00:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1800 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 16:00:46 UTC Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 11:31:28 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Anyone here tuning guitars in fifths? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <10DB0B45A46244458AD372DAFABE9FC9@Bedroom> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_jz0xPNttYi8gliNei26mww)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130408-1, 04/08/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean References: Resent-Message-ID: <1mGQEC.A.2MG.umuYRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:00:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_jz0xPNttYi8gliNei26mww) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I am an ancient Guitar Craft person who began using the New Standard = Tuning (C-G-D-A-E-G) back in 1985. I find the New Standard Tuning = excellent for melody work, open-voiced chords and ensemble playing. But = I still play primarily in the Old Standard Tuning because of my = accumulated repertoire in it, as well as its equal excellence in = supporting melody work and ensemble playing, and my own ability to play = open-voiced chords in it and its superiority for close-voiced chords and = small harmonic intervals. So, horses for courses, as they say in sunny = England. For my acoustic guitar in the New Standard Tuning, I use the following = gauges and windings: Low C =3D .070 stainless steel wound=20 G =3D .050 stainless steel wound=20 D =3D .032 stainless steel wound=20 A =3D .020 plain E =3D .012 plain high G =3D .0095 plain This requires a new bridge saddle to intonate properly. Douglas Baldwin Alpha Coyote coyotelk@optonline.net www.TheCoyote.org www.facebook.com/people/Douglas-Baldwin "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production = deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid.=20 -- Frank Zappa=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dennis Moser=20 To: loopers-delight=20 Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 11:00 AM Subject: Re: Anyone here tuning guitars in fifths? Yep =97 started tuning the xtSA with the NST about 4 years ago =97 = CGDAEG =97 but took the precaution of adjusting the string gauges, which = allows a bit of "bending" on the higher strings. As for feel, no noticeable difference. Resonance I think is dependent = upon the instrument. I did notice that the xtSA is especially resonant = with a dropped-D tuning; the NST seems to a bit more resonant, but it = could all be subjective. Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 5:51 AM, Per Boysen = wrote: The more I play fifths tuned string instruments (like the Cello and the Stick) the more I like it and I'm curious about if it would even be possible to tune a six stringed guitar in fifths? What I mean is that if starting by the low E the highest string would have to be awfully thin, as it would have to be tuned to Eb... oh my gosh, = almost one octave higher than the normally tuned guitar's high E string! = That just can't work. But if starting even lower at the bottom? From experimenting with down-tuning normal guitars I know that you can tune at C on the bass string without loosing too much good tone. Anyway, let's say we = string up a guitar like a cello: C-G-D-A-E; as my five stringed cello goes. Adding a sixth string on a guitar would mean tuned to B - that is B one octave higher than the B string on a normal fourths tuned = guitar. Something tells me that string will break every ten minutes :-) The more I'm thinking about it the more it seems to make sense to = tun the fifths tuned guitar's highest string one octave lower, in the C based cello tuning that would imply (for 1st string) the same B note that a normal guitar has as 2nd. Then that string could be used for cluster and close voicing chord work. Imagining a guitar tuning = going (low to high) C1 G1 D2 A2 E3 B2. That would definitely work as far = as mechanics go. The A2 string and above should plain to allow = glissando bending. When thinking about how chords and scales work out on such = a fretboard it seems even better than the traditional guitar tuning. = The key question here is how does such a tuning affect the feel and resonance of a normal electric guitar? So, has anyone tried it? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen --Boundary_(ID_jz0xPNttYi8gliNei26mww) Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

I am an ancient Guitar Craft person who began using the New = Standard Tuning=20 (C-G-D-A-E-G) back in 1985. I find the New Standard Tuning excellent for = melody=20 work, open-voiced chords and ensemble playing. But I still play = primarily in the=20 Old Standard Tuning because of my accumulated repertoire in it, as well = as its=20 equal excellence in supporting melody work and ensemble playing, and my = own=20 ability to play open-voiced chords in it and its superiority for = close-voiced=20 chords and small harmonic intervals. So, horses for courses, as they say = in=20 sunny England.

For my acoustic guitar in the New Standard Tuning, I use the = following=20 gauges and windings:

Low C =3D .070 stainless steel wound

G =3D .050 stainless steel wound

D =3D .032 stainless steel wound

A =3D .020 plain

E =3D .012 plain

high G =3D .0095 plain

This requires a new bridge saddle to intonate properly.

Douglas Baldwin
Alpha Coyote
coyotelk@optonline.net
www.TheCoyote.org
www.facebook.com/= people/Douglas-Baldwin

"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring = production=20 deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid.
-- Frank Zappa =

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Dennis=20 Moser

To: loopers-delight =

Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 = 11:00=20 AM

Subject: Re: Anyone here tuning = guitars=20 in fifths?

Yep =97 started tuning the xtSA with the NST about 4 = years ago =97=20 CGDAEG =97 but took the precaution of adjusting the string gauges, = which allows=20 a bit of "bending" on the higher strings.

As for feel, no noticeable difference. Resonance I think is = dependent=20 upon the instrument. I did notice that the xtSA is especially resonant = with a=20 dropped-D tuning; the NST seems to a bit more resonant, but it could = all be=20 subjective.

Best,

Dennis

http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com
http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 5:51 AM, Per Boysen = <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
The more I play fifths tuned string instruments = (like the=20 Cello and
the Stick) the more I like it and I'm curious about if = it would=20 even
be possible to tune a six stringed guitar in fifths? What I = mean=20 is
that if starting by the low E the highest string would have to = be
awfully thin, as it would have to be tuned to Eb... oh my = gosh,=20 almost
one octave higher than the normally tuned guitar's high E = string!=20 That
just can't work.

But if starting even lower at the = bottom?=20 From experimenting with
down-tuning normal guitars I know that = you can=20 tune at C on the bass
string without loosing too much good tone. = Anyway,=20 let's say we string
up a guitar like a cello: C-G-D-A-E; as my = five=20 stringed cello goes.
Adding a sixth string on a guitar would mean = tuned=20 to B - that is B
one octave higher than the B string on a normal = fourths=20 tuned guitar.
Something tells me that string will break every ten = minutes=20 :-)

The more I'm thinking about it the more it seems to make = sense to=20 tun
the fifths tuned guitar's highest string one octave lower, in = the=20 C
based cello tuning that would imply (for 1st string) the same B = note
that a normal guitar has as 2nd. Then that string could be = used=20 for
cluster and close voicing chord work. Imagining a guitar = tuning=20 going
(low to high) C1 G1 D2 A2 E3 B2. That would definitely work = as far=20 as
mechanics go. The A2 string and above should plain to allow=20 glissando
bending. When thinking about how chords and scales work = out on=20 such a
fretboard it seems even better than the traditional guitar = tuning.=20 The
key question here is how does such a tuning affect the feel=20 and
resonance of a normal electric guitar? So, has anyone tried=20 it?

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen

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<5162C037.5050108@tiscali.co.uk> <5162D9F4.50708@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 17:02:35 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New user of Ableton seeks help using it to replace loop pedals From: Philip Conway To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2dd74b1e04204d9db909a X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmrOa5+GcEkQ8iMkznqltjmBuRi3FFuPdbPh4yw0RMsLXbgYEkF+fUjG0H2HYv7RdtyGGM+B4cgGXSmgq0SGFyl3/cdmWcsup4tKbmyMMIjwGh8/4H0RKCw6Lzu+1clLBa4uYwDWjUiSpbcnqePoEc//gugYaTwHs4AilNJX2bfCnlNYKxvQjV6yOcpKbPkfq2zdocp Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:02:38 +0000 (UTC) --001a11c2dd74b1e04204d9db909a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ah okay thanks for the clarification! Live's midi implementation does leave something to be desired but I haven't run up against any issues with its routing that couldn't be solved with the loop back technique. It's so long ago that I learned that trick that it's second nature now though I do remember being frustrated with it at first. I generally have Looper's first loop setting Live's tempo. If you tell the device how many bars the first loop should be the tempo should be fairly accurate. But I don't know how others are using it. On 8 April 2013 15:53, andy butler wrote: > > > Philip Conway wrote: > >> What's the problem with Live's midi routing? >> > > While it's possible to route midi to a plugin on a track it's > not intuitive. ..and then when the midi gets to your plugin it's all > changed to Channel 1 > > I do have a HOWTO for sending midi to a plugin on an Ableton track, > (compiled with Per's help). If anyone needs that just ask. > > > > > > > > Also, why would one have to mime the first loop? Not doubting you, just >> not sure what you mean! >> > > The Ableton looper doesn't let you set the tempo by tapping in the loop. > Workaround is to pre-record a first layer that works as a click track. > > Consequently, miming the first loop is not unheard of. > > > > Per Boysen wrote: > > But isn't that a bit over the top in this discussion answering a >> person that wants to replace a Roland looping pedal with Ableton Live? >> > > probably > >> There's no such nifty MIDI routing at all on those pedals! :-) >> > > but midi control is usually needed for software looping... yes? > > > > andy > > > --001a11c2dd74b1e04204d9db909a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ah okay thanks for the clarification! =A0Live's midi i= mplementation does leave something to be desired but I haven't run up a= gainst any issues with its routing that couldn't be solved with the loo= p back technique. =A0It's so long ago that I learned that trick that it= 's second nature now though I do remember being frustrated with it at f= irst.=A0

I generally have Looper's first loop setting Live&= #39;s tempo. =A0If you tell the device how many bars the first loop should = be the tempo should be fairly accurate. =A0But I don't know how others = are using it.

On 8 Ap= ril 2013 15:53, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wr= ote:

Philip Conway wrote:

What's the problem with Live's midi routing?

While it's possible to route midi to a plugin on a track it's
not intuitive. ..and then when the midi gets to your plugin it's all ch= anged to Channel 1

I do have a HOWTO for sending midi to a plugin on an Ableton track,
(compiled with Per's help). If anyone needs that just ask.

Also, why would one have to mime the first loop? =A0Not doubting you, just = not sure what you mean!

The Ableton looper doesn't let you set the tempo by tapping in the loop= .
Workaround is to pre-record a first layer that works as a click track.

Consequently, miming the first loop is not unheard of.

Per Boysen wrote:

But isn't that a bit over the top in this discussion answering a
person that wants to replace a Roland looping pedal with Ableton Live?

probably

There's no such nifty MIDI routing at all on those pedals! :-)

but midi control is usually needed for software looping... yes?

andy

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From: Philip Conway To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd8f90e4d768004d9db9dde X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmfiO6uIHZFYTmMSlMFrBOqXCzHP3onoE1AKd+DTQwKP897Ze8ZYs3Jgg6hGw1FiAVaYqIHg2wU5hDpi2OERCOHNbaMe9tYxkFfgZj0TFQLOBGF9g94OOHfYfcF1YMuv/dVtluUuZESrd6IukOlsJOj5KA/fCPac1v2n8RRIIPKwYl8AX7DZR4e8nhyqELRa+PCDhjF Resent-Message-ID: <5yrp4.A.DaG.xruYRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:06:09 +0000 (UTC) --047d7bd8f90e4d768004d9db9dde Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was thinking about fifths tuning this morning, funnily enough. This is a useful tool for figuring out string gauges: http://www.mcdonaldstrings.com/stringxxiii.html Tensions vary by manufacturer and construction type but it's good for generalities. On 8 April 2013 16:31, Douglas Baldwin wrote: > ** > I am an ancient Guitar Craft person who began using the New Standard > Tuning (C-G-D-A-E-G) back in 1985. I find the New Standard Tuning excelle= nt > for melody work, open-voiced chords and ensemble playing. But I still pla= y > primarily in the Old Standard Tuning because of my accumulated repertoire > in it, as well as its equal excellence in supporting melody work and > ensemble playing, and my own ability to play open-voiced chords in it and > its superiority for close-voiced chords and small harmonic intervals. So, > horses for courses, as they say in sunny England. > > For my acoustic guitar in the New Standard Tuning, I use the following > gauges and windings: > Low C =3D .070 stainless steel wound > G =3D .050 stainless steel wound > D =3D .032 stainless steel wound > A =3D .020 plain > E =3D .012 plain > high G =3D .0095 plain > This requires a new bridge saddle to intonate properly. > > > Douglas Baldwin > Alpha Coyote > coyotelk@optonline.net > www.TheCoyote.org > www.facebook.com/people/Douglas-Baldwin > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid. > -- Frank Zappa > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Dennis Moser > *To:* loopers-delight > *Sent:* Monday, April 08, 2013 11:00 AM > *Subject:* Re: Anyone here tuning guitars in fifths? > > Yep =97 started tuning the xtSA with the NST about 4 years ago =97 CGDAEG= =97 > but took the precaution of adjusting the string gauges, which allows a bi= t > of "bending" on the higher strings. > > As for feel, no noticeable difference. Resonance I think is dependent upo= n > the instrument. I did notice that the xtSA is especially resonant with a > dropped-D tuning; the NST seems to a bit more resonant, but it could all = be > subjective. > > Best, > > Dennis > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 5:51 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> The more I play fifths tuned string instruments (like the Cello and >> the Stick) the more I like it and I'm curious about if it would even >> be possible to tune a six stringed guitar in fifths? What I mean is >> that if starting by the low E the highest string would have to be >> awfully thin, as it would have to be tuned to Eb... oh my gosh, almost >> one octave higher than the normally tuned guitar's high E string! That >> just can't work. >> >> But if starting even lower at the bottom? From experimenting with >> down-tuning normal guitars I know that you can tune at C on the bass >> string without loosing too much good tone. Anyway, let's say we string >> up a guitar like a cello: C-G-D-A-E; as my five stringed cello goes. >> Adding a sixth string on a guitar would mean tuned to B - that is B >> one octave higher than the B string on a normal fourths tuned guitar. >> Something tells me that string will break every ten minutes :-) >> >> The more I'm thinking about it the more it seems to make sense to tun >> the fifths tuned guitar's highest string one octave lower, in the C >> based cello tuning that would imply (for 1st string) the same B note >> that a normal guitar has as 2nd. Then that string could be used for >> cluster and close voicing chord work. Imagining a guitar tuning going >> (low to high) C1 G1 D2 A2 E3 B2. That would definitely work as far as >> mechanics go. The A2 string and above should plain to allow glissando >> bending. When thinking about how chords and scales work out on such a >> fretboard it seems even better than the traditional guitar tuning. The >> key question here is how does such a tuning affect the feel and >> resonance of a normal electric guitar? So, has anyone tried it? >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> > --047d7bd8f90e4d768004d9db9dde Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I was thinking about fifths tuning this morning, funnily e= nough. =A0This is a useful tool for figuring out string gauges:

http://= www.mcdonaldstrings.com/stringxxiii.html

Tensions vary by=A0manufacturer=A0and const= ruction type but it's good for generalities.

On 8 April 2013 16:31, Dougl= as Baldwin <coyotelk@optonline.net> wrote:

I am an ancient Guitar Craft person who began using the New Standard T= uning=20 (C-G-D-A-E-G) back in 1985. I find the New Standard Tuning excellent for me= lody=20 work, open-voiced chords and ensemble playing. But I still play primarily i= n the=20 Old Standard Tuning because of my accumulated repertoire in it, as well as = its=20 equal excellence in supporting melody work and ensemble playing, and my own= =20 ability to play open-voiced chords in it and its superiority for close-voic= ed=20 chords and small harmonic intervals. So, horses for courses, as they say in= =20 sunny England.

=A0

For my acoustic guitar in the New Standard Tuning, I use the following= =20 gauges and windings:

Low C =3D .070 stainless steel wound

G =3D .050 stainless steel wound

D =3D .032 stainless steel wound

A =3D .020 plain

E =3D .012 plain

high G =3D .0095 plain

This requires a new bridge saddle to intonate properly.

=A0

Douglas Baldwin
Alpha Coyote
coyotelk@optonline.net
www.TheCoyote.org
www.faceb= ook.com/people/Douglas-Baldwin

=A0

"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring pro= duction=20 deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid.
-- Frank Zappa

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Dennis=20 Moser

To: loopers-delight

Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 11:00= =20 AM

Subject: Re: Anyone here tuning gui= tars=20 in fifths?

Yep =97 started tuning the xtSA with the NST about 4 yea= rs ago =97=20 CGDAEG =97 but took the precaution of adjusting the string gauges, which = allows=20 a bit of "bending" on the higher strings.

As for feel, no noticeable difference. Resonance I think is dependen= t=20 upon the instrument. I did notice that the xtSA is especially resonant wi= th a=20 dropped-D tuning; the NST seems to a bit more resonant, but it could all = be=20 subjective.

Best,

Dennis

http://s= oundcloud.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com
http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 5:51 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

The more I play fifths tuned string= instruments (like the=20 Cello and
the Stick) the more I like it and I'm curious about if= it would=20 even
be possible to tune a six stringed guitar in fifths? What I mea= n=20 is
that if starting by the low E the highest string would have to=20 be
awfully thin, as it would have to be tuned to Eb... oh my gosh,= =20 almost
one octave higher than the normally tuned guitar's high E= string!=20 That
just can't work.

But if starting even lower at the b= ottom?=20 From experimenting with
down-tuning normal guitars I know that you c= an=20 tune at C on the bass
string without loosing too much good tone. Any= way,=20 let's say we string
up a guitar like a cello: C-G-D-A-E; as my f= ive=20 stringed cello goes.
Adding a sixth string on a guitar would mean tu= ned=20 to B - that is B
one octave higher than the B string on a normal fou= rths=20 tuned guitar.
Something tells me that string will break every ten mi= nutes=20 :-)

The more I'm thinking about it the more it seems to make= sense to=20 tun
the fifths tuned guitar's highest string one octave lower, i= n the=20 C
based cello tuning that would imply (for 1st string) the same B=20 note
that a normal guitar has as 2nd. Then that string could be used= =20 for
cluster and close voicing chord work. Imagining a guitar tuning= =20 going
(low to high) C1 G1 D2 A2 E3 B2. That would definitely work as= far=20 as
mechanics go. The A2 string and above should plain to allow=20 glissando
bending. When thinking about how chords and scales work ou= t on=20 such a
fretboard it seems even better than the traditional guitar tu= ning.=20 The
key question here is how does such a tuning affect the feel=20 and
resonance of a normal electric guitar? So, has anyone tried=20 it?

Greetings from Sweden

P= er Boysen
www.per= boysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen

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To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="147469114-1458225289-1365439114=:63434" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:38:37 +0000 (UTC) --147469114-1458225289-1365439114=:63434 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am playing a chapman stick with the bass tuned in fifths as they usually = are; does that count:-)=0A=0AAntony Hequet=0A=0A=0A________________________= ________=0A De=C2=A0: Philip Conway =0A=C3=80= =C2=A0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0AEnvoy=C3=A9 le : Lundi 8 avr= il 2013 18h06=0AObjet=C2=A0: Re: Anyone here tuning guitars in fifths?=0A = =0A=0AI was thinking about fifths tuning this morning, funnily enough. =C2= =A0This is a useful tool for figuring out string gauges:=0A=0Ahttp://www.mc= donaldstrings.com/stringxxiii.html=0A=0A=0ATensions vary by=C2=A0manufactur= er=C2=A0and construction type but it's good for generalities.=0A=0A=0A=0AOn= 8 April 2013 16:31, Douglas Baldwin wrote:=0A=0A = =0A>I am an ancient Guitar Craft person who began using the New Standard Tu= ning =0A(C-G-D-A-E-G) back in 1985. I find the New Standard Tuning excellen= t for melody =0Awork, open-voiced chords and ensemble playing. But I still = play primarily in the =0AOld Standard Tuning because of my accumulated repe= rtoire in it, as well as its =0Aequal excellence in supporting melody work = and ensemble playing, and my own =0Aability to play open-voiced chords in i= t and its superiority for close-voiced =0Achords and small harmonic interva= ls. So, horses for courses, as they say in =0Asunny England.=0A>=C2=A0=0A>F= or my acoustic guitar in the New Standard Tuning, I use the following =0Aga= uges and windings:=0A>Low C =3D .070 stainless steel wound =0A>G =3D .050 s= tainless steel wound =0A>D =3D .032 stainless steel wound =0A>A =3D .020 pl= ain=0A>E =3D .012 plain=0A>high G =3D .0095 plain=0A>This requires a new br= idge saddle to intonate properly.=0A>=C2=A0=0A>=0A>Douglas Baldwin=0A>Alpha= Coyote=0A>coyotelk@optonline.net=0A>www.TheCoyote.org=0A>www.facebook.com/= people/Douglas-Baldwin=0A>=C2=A0=0A>"Without music to decorate it, time is = just a bunch of boring production =0Adeadlines or dates by which bills must= be paid. =0A>-- Frank Zappa =0A>=0A>----- Original Message ----- =0A>>From= : Dennis Moser =0A>>To: loopers-delight =0A>>Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 = 11:00 AM=0A>>Subject: Re: Anyone here tuning guitars in fifths?=0A>>=0A>>= =0A>>Yep =E2=80=94 started tuning the xtSA with the NST about 4 years ago = =E2=80=94 CGDAEG =E2=80=94 but took the precaution of adjusting the string= gauges, which allows a bit of "bending" on the higher strings. =0A>>=0A>>= =0A>>As for feel, no noticeable difference. Resonance I think is dependent = upon the instrument. I did notice that the xtSA is especially resonant wit= h a dropped-D tuning; the NST seems to a bit more resonant, but it could a= ll be subjective.=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Best,=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Dennis=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>h= ttp://soundcloud.com/usrsbin=0A>>http://audiozoloft.com=0A>>http://usrslash= sbin.angrek.com/=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 5:51 AM, Per Boysen <= perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:=0A>>=0A>>The more I play fifths tuned string in= struments (like the Cello and=0A>>>the Stick) the more I like it and I'm c= urious about if it would =0A even=0A>>>be possible to tune a six stringe= d guitar in fifths? What I mean =0A is=0A>>>that if starting by the low = E the highest string would have to =0A be=0A>>>awfully thin, as it would= have to be tuned to Eb... oh my gosh, =0A almost=0A>>>one octave higher= than the normally tuned guitar's high E string! =0A That=0A>>>just can'= t work.=0A>>>=0A>>>But if starting even lower at the bottom? =0A From ex= perimenting with=0A>>>down-tuning normal guitars I know that you can =0A = tune at C on the bass=0A>>>string without loosing too much good tone. Anyw= ay, =0A let's say we string=0A>>>up a guitar like a cello: C-G-D-A-E; as= my five =0A stringed cello goes.=0A>>>Adding a sixth string on a guitar= would mean tuned =0A to B - that is B=0A>>>one octave higher than the B= string on a normal fourths =0A tuned guitar.=0A>>>Something tells me th= at string will break every ten minutes =0A :-)=0A>>>=0A>>>The more I'm t= hinking about it the more it seems to make sense to =0A tun=0A>>>the fif= ths tuned guitar's highest string one octave lower, in the =0A C=0A>>>ba= sed cello tuning that would imply (for 1st string) the same B =0A note= =0A>>>that a normal guitar has as 2nd. Then that string could be used =0A = for=0A>>>cluster and close voicing chord work. Imagining a guitar tuning = =0A going=0A>>>(low to high) C1 G1 D2 A2 E3 B2. That would definitely wo= rk as far =0A as=0A>>>mechanics go. The A2 string and above should plain= to allow =0A glissando=0A>>>bending. When thinking about how chords and= scales work out on =0A such a=0A>>>fretboard it seems even better than = the traditional guitar tuning. =0A The=0A>>>key question here is how doe= s such a tuning affect the feel =0A and=0A>>>resonance of a normal elect= ric guitar? So, has anyone tried =0A it?=0A>>>=0A>>>Greetings from Swede= n=0A>>>=0A>>>Per Boysen=0A>>>www.perboysen.com=0A>>>http://www.youtube.com/= perboysen=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>> --147469114-1458225289-1365439114=:63434 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am playing a chapman stick with the bass tuned in fifths as they usuall= y are; does that count:-)

Antony Hequet

De : Philip Conway <Philip.= Conway@bristol.ac.uk>
=C3=80&n= bsp;: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Envoy=C3=A9 le : Lundi 8 avril 2013 18h06 Objet : Re: Anyone= here tuning guitars in fifths?

I was thinking about fifths tuning this morning, funnily enough. &= nbsp;This is a useful tool for figuring out string gauges:

http://www.mcdonaldstrings.com/stringxxiii.html<= br>=0A

Tensions vary by manufactur= er and construction type but it's good for generalities.

On 8 April 2013 16:31, Douglas Baldwin <coyotelk@optonline.net> wrote:
=0A

=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0A=0A
=0A
I am an ancient Guitar Craft person who began usin= g the New Standard Tuning =0A(C-G-D-A-E-G) back in 1985. I find the New Sta= ndard Tuning excellent for melody =0Awork, open-voiced chords and ensemble = playing. But I still play primarily in the =0AOld Standard Tuning because o= f my accumulated repertoire in it, as well as its =0Aequal excellence in su= pporting melody work and ensemble playing, and my own =0Aability to play op= en-voiced chords in it and its superiority for close-voiced =0Achords and s= mall harmonic intervals. So, horses for courses, as they say in =0Asunny En= gland.
=0A

=0A
For my acoustic guitar in the New S= tandard Tuning, I use the following =0Agauges and windings:
=0A
Lo= w C =3D .070 stainless steel wound
=0A
G =3D .050 stainless steel= wound
=0A
D =3D .032 stainless steel wound
=0A
A =3D .= 020 plain
=0A
E =3D .012 plain
=0A
high G =3D .0095 plain=
=0A
This requires a new bridge saddle to intonate properly.
= =0A

=0A

Douglas Baldwin
Alpha Coyote
coyotelk@optonline.net
www.TheC= oyote.org
www.facebook.com/people/Douglas-Baldwin=
=0A=0A

=0A
"Without music to decorate it, tim= e is just a bunch of boring production =0Adeadlines or dates by which bills= must be paid.
-- Frank Zappa
=0A
=0A ----- Original Me= ssage -----
=0A
From: =0A Denni= s =0A Moser
=0A
To: loopers-= delight
=0A
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 11:00 =0A AM
=0A
Subject: Re= : Anyone here tuning guitars =0A in fifths?
=0A

=0A =
Yep =E2=80=94 started tuning the xtSA with the NST about 4= years ago =E2=80=94 =0A CGDAEG =E2=80=94 but took the precaution of adjus= ting the string gauges, which allows =0A a bit of "bending" on the higher = strings.=0A

=0A
As for feel, no noticeable difference= . Resonance I think is dependent =0A upon the instrument. I did notice tha= t the xtSA is especially resonant with a =0A dropped-D tuning; the NST see= ms to a bit more resonant, but it could all be =0A subjective.
=0A <= div>
=0A
Best,
=0A

=0A
Dennis
=0A

=0A =
http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com
= http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/
=0A

=0A
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 5:51 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:
=0A
The more I play fifths tuned string instruments (like the =0A Cello a= nd
the Stick) the more I like it and I'm curious about if it would =0A = even
be possible to tune a six stringed guitar in fifths? What I mean = =0A is
that if starting by the low E the highest string would have to= =0A be
awfully thin, as it would have to be tuned to Eb... oh my gos= h, =0A almost
one octave higher than the normally tuned guitar's high= E string! =0A That
just can't work.

But if starting even lowe= r at the bottom? =0A From experimenting with
down-tuning normal guita= rs I know that you can =0A tune at C on the bass
string without loosi= ng too much good tone. Anyway, =0A let's say we string
up a guitar li= ke a cello: C-G-D-A-E; as my five =0A stringed cello goes.
Adding a s= ixth string on a guitar would mean tuned =0A to B - that is B
one oct= ave higher than the B string on a normal fourths =0A tuned guitar.
So= mething tells me that string will break every ten minutes =0A :-)
The more I'm thinking about it the more it seems to make sense to =0A t= un
the fifths tuned guitar's highest string one octave lower, in the =0A= C
based cello tuning that would imply (for 1st string) the same B = =0A note
that a normal guitar has as 2nd. Then that string could be u= sed =0A for
cluster and close voicing chord work. Imagining a guitar = tuning =0A going
(low to high) C1 G1 D2 A2 E3 B2. That would definite= ly work as far =0A as
mechanics go. The A2 string and above should pl= ain to allow =0A glissando
bending. When thinking about how chords an= d scales work out on =0A such a
fretboard it seems even better than t= he traditional guitar tuning. =0A The
key question here is how does s= uch a tuning affect the feel =0A and
resonance of a normal electric g= uitar? So, has anyone tried =0A it?

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
h= ttp://www.youtube.com/perboysen
=0A

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--147469114-1458225289-1365439114=:63434-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 16:41:15 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 676C2183540; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:41:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3478 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 16:41:14 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=trufun.com; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; bh=7A3wolIx8XAVgOQUAiJaGBg5XjNSvlaPyyGRDhCiGq8=; b=FjMYPj22AAJ340pjk65Qxp7rQC1YTu6evKeFXkQS6OmH9AeIJhszAuFExomOMT/1nbH2qu0wm19ohFZqwA4uCGBKlsqOmNi0Zgn6cyECf/VbGNjtpZCsrO6U0lbcnCNUST3yHDgXr/EMYYYYycNMguyfDcHZ7QTec9QUPliYLpg=; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 $1503$) Subject: Re: Looperlative LP2 review From: David Gans In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 08:42:12 -0700 Cc: David Gans Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9546C2DE-9CD2-4D72-B45D-FCF386E30902@trufun.com> References: <1B903C6E-E3D6-43D4-BEA1-828153BA0C3A@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: vps.gdhour.com: acl_c_relayhosts_text_entry: david@trufun.com|trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:41:15 +0000 (UTC) I will buy one when I am satisfied that it's ready for prime time. On Apr 8, 2013, at 8:08 AM, Ted Killian wrote: > Mike, >=20 > Thanks for all of that gear appetite-whetting information.=20 >=20 > I have sort of been sitting on the sidelines waiting for production of = the LP-2 to get into full-swing before making a move to buy one. >=20 > I sometimes despair that the process will ever get there. >=20 > Presently there seems to be a substantial and slow-moving queue for = units built in small batches...or one at a time. >=20 > I don't blame Bob - it's just the nature of how things are. >=20 > I don't get in that queue because one month I have money and the next = month I don't. >=20 > And that's another aspect of "just just the nature of how things are." >=20 > I think it would be wonderful if somehow Kickstarter could be used to = jump-start production, marketing, and sales to the point that he could = hire employees and get the whole thing up and going to where all he had = to do was supervise and not build every single unit himself (probably a = naive notion). >=20 > Your review is tantalizing...and I continue to wait. >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > Ted David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 16:47:09 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CFC118354B; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:47:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ALEx+GqepNXoHybOxeX/dIiEeZl7mbwgzC2bhmi8wc8=; b=ELdshl6z40A7bxUUhou+x9xEj5xiNjMuAGwSXqiQqwrCIcunV5vGxB9RbVAVE6TKMr 99QbAlzkRa+zQknSwpNuFpCdQ2R9lK9h/H0i0OkPiu1mBPB/CMEF3FaYRO2rjGK8mlX5 4UlclMqq53ORWUyM2ccfXeuYObpDNPuBDFfYIvaU69aMYe+EFEbi56wdUWetUh2nS9Lv Idk9yi/1NC1YltghUY4kbPTWuPHxjFQUnG6QSHDdH/wd7lgWgM34zuWUumChLb8F+gya 9hf5fPAJo8566utBcfRM2tkzb/OhPybqIWc2AVOk+Fsm3O/1DjrwsW2jfxXAqHo3AY2V eJEA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.190.19 with SMTP id gm19mr15722677obc.34.1365439628298; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 09:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 11:47:08 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: roland rc-505 From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444808301cfda04d9dc3031 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:47:09 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0444808301cfda04d9dc3031 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ouch, $800, i bit out of my range...i didn't think it would be cheap w/ the 5 loop options....oh well.... re: >From MUSIKMESSE 2013 news "The RC-505 should be available in June with an RRP of =A3529" @ $800US On 04/04/13, Scott Hansen wrote: i'll have to read the specs more closely. but this looks promising. i just wish there was a SPEED KNOB to adjust the speed of the loop. that would be AWESOME! but i guess the 5 loops and that it's hand operated, for me makes it interesting.... wonder what the price will be? probably out of my range for now....i'm sure... oh well...nice to see something new put out... s--- --f46d0444808301cfda04d9dc3031 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

ouch, $800, i bit out of my range...i didn&= #39;t think it would be cheap w/ the 5 loop options....oh well....

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From MUSIKMESSE 2013 news "The RC-505 should b= e available in June with an RRP of =A3529" @ $800US

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On 04/04/13, Scott Hansen<evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:

= =A0

i'll have to read the specs more closely. but this = looks promising.

i just wish there was a SPEED KNOB to adjust the = speed of the loop. that would be AWESOME!

but i guess the 5 loops = and that it's hand operated, for me makes it interesting....
wonder what the price will be?

probably out of my range for now...= .i'm sure...

oh well...nice to see something new put out...s---

--f46d0444808301cfda04d9dc3031-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 16:50:33 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8DB3183554; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:50:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=6cc3afAm57YleSIqodZty2ZikqxCKeRvOTx1516GJrs=; b=F6l512nNpZrcPAMu/4U2mcLlKJW98SGBgtUROshMAL/18zd+psWFhK+EbLH82rWXtD ONmA8UzV/c1EL+MULmE/P3/zvf3skX8Ztb/KwisWVDpIvc8C0HXuSpfUvabjzbV7js2m cOXd+4zLFHD8rKSTII2m9C2rZK/zLq/3dkcLkFiCy04SgfL05O8yEy8zgMRwFgG4IsU+ QBfjrLyOhJYmulWQra38SabZozXwp5WotDOJMJlQNRtNgyQFu/TFDaeLhOyGhmvmwBsZ MZ0rOOyzVosSuVS1Lka5kHC9OzhBUj4WHV8SR9mNEf3OLCFUVJEthDSXMKEar/JEMOL6 JJJQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.119.69 with SMTP id ks5mr2900791oeb.36.1365439833109; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 09:50:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A778F51B90@SN2PRD0410MB384.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A778F51B90@SN2PRD0410MB384.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 09:50:32 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_M=F6bius_weirdness?= From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b33cfe23700d404d9dc3ca4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:50:33 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b33cfe23700d404d9dc3ca4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jeff, Mac OS 10.6.8 Thanks, Kevin On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Jeff Larson wrot= e: > If you're on Windows Vista or Windows 7 this is usually a file > permissions problem trying to read the two configuration files mobius.xml > and ui.xml. If you're on OS X there are similar issues with > /Library/Application Support thought the installer usually handles those. > Let me know what OS you're using and we'll go from there. > > Jeff > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Kevin Cheli-Colando [billowhead@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Sunday, April 07, 2013 3:23 PM > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* M=F6bius weirdness > > So I was cleaning up my hard drive yesterday and deleted a bunch of > files that I didn't feel I needed any longer (audio files mostly) and > somehow the graphic interface for M=F6bius disappeared. The program is s= till > there but the screen is white. > > Okay, so I screwed up and deleted what shouldn't have been, no problems. > I deinstalled m=F6bius and did a clean install of 2.5 OS. Same problem. > I've repeated the clear/install routine several a times since (with > reboots aplenty in between) and I still have a blank m=F6bius. > > Any ideas what I've done or how to repair the program? > > Kevin > > > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble= . > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) --047d7b33cfe23700d404d9dc3ca4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Jeff,

Mac OS 10.6.8

Thanks,

Kev= in

On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoi= nt.com> wrote:

If you'r= e on Windows Vista or Windows 7 this is usually a file permissions problem = trying to read the two configuration files mobius.xml and ui.xml. =A0If you= 're on OS X there are similar issues with /Library/Application Support thought the installer usu= ally handles those. =A0Let me know what OS you're using and we'll g= o from there.

Jeff

Fro= m: Kevin Cheli-Colando [billowhead@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 3:23 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: M=F6bius weirdness

So I was cleaning up my hard drive yesterday and deleted a bunch of fi= les that I didn't feel I needed any longer (audio files mostly) and som= ehow the graphic interface for M=F6bius disappeared. =A0The program is stil= l there but the screen is white.

Okay, so I screwed up and deleted what shouldn't have been, no pro= blems. =A0I deinstalled m=F6bius and did a clean install of 2.5 OS. =A0Same= problem. =A0I've repeated the clear/install routine several a times si= nce (with reboots aplenty in between) and I still have a blank m=F6bius.

Any ideas what I've done or how to repair the program?

Kevin

--
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.<= br>
- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

--
Till now you= seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That i= s the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ram= ana Maharshi (1879-1950)

--047d7b33cfe23700d404d9dc3ca4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 18:06:07 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D156183540; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 18:06:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=FknHzxkqvpwiIdFGFH0+a2DHimcLGGZFHmysk0OVnsfCjDdNxgf0cElL9jlDBO5R; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <10DB0B45A46244458AD372DAFABE9FC9@Bedroom> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 14:06:02 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Anyone here tuning guitars in fifths? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-846678130==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79c66cbbe12244b56a0ee09abd1d1af104350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 18:06:06 +0000 (UTC) --============_-846678130==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" That string tension calculator is a great tool..! I worked out my gages (http://jpsongs.com/troubadortech/zwickrig.htm ) by "feel" and they compute nicely there, except it apparently thinks my low "A" is an octave higher, and calculated 24kg of tension... bye bye neck!! At 5:06 PM +0100 4/8/13, Philip Conway wrote: >I was thinking about fifths tuning this morning, funnily enough. >This is a useful tool for figuring out string gauges: > >http://www.mcdonaldstrings.com/stringxxiii.html > > >Tensions vary by manufacturer and construction type but it's good >for generalities. > > -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://albumcredits.com/zmix --============_-846678130==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Anyone here tuning guitars in fifths?

That string tension calculator is a great tool..!

I worked out my gages (http://jpsongs.com/troubadortech/zwickrig.htm ) by "feel" and they compute nicely there, except it apparently thinks my low "A" is an octave higher, and calculated 24kg of tension... bye bye neck!!

At 5:06 PM +0100 4/8/13, Philip Conway wrote:

I was thinking about fifths tuning this morning, funnily enough. This is a useful tool for figuring out string gauges:

http://www.mcdonaldstrings.com/stringxxiii.html

Tensions vary by manufacturer and construction type but it's good for generalities.

--

...
http://www.zmix.net

http://albumcredits.com/zmix

--============_-846678130==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 18:40:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8194183543; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 18:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hUSRfEmXUvjICv6ZAH1r8si5RS1g2s9wk1yjuYa6RVo=; b=eHEqyc+vlZCnJ++fEWATMEIOPCfE0dEj6QaevH2IdOFpqDeNXshDEqWPH6W8M2AUwu Gi2ZHWn86iFyVdeCkpHViWYzvU0Pi3OwdOahgTt14N0aIUBXyuARwDmVKbptsBUNHRxH 77HWdH880MZS4jtkqhuvqzf4vzgBX2tZg90s/5OfNoZPLu2rCk1E9ywoaG7wCmXWAfKG irg+jB7I3ih9ueZgb8wr/GB/hCy39fSN09P0GZzODPudRymUoSZ152KC3KYskp8y58QP JrAEUYt/5hKeq1iVKtC0dsxwwdKIzAUbnRU7U8EpqCR9evkjfrRVhWCr6pkrISQc7fJo yiGA== X-Received: by 10.14.210.132 with SMTP id u4mr40760991eeo.19.1365446454628; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 11:40:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51630F33.2040405@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 20:40:51 +0200 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anyone here tuning guitars in fifths? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <25iKN.A.1w.38wYRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 18:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Am 08.04.2013 15:51, schrieb Per Boysen: > The more I play fifths tuned string instruments (like the Cello and > the Stick) the more I like it and I'm curious about if it would even > be possible to tune a six stringed guitar in fifths? What I mean is If we can agree that a (six-stringed) bass guitar is a guitar, then yes, it is possible :). What I did was to use some inverted lute/guitar tuning in fifths and sixths, e.g. for a four-string: E-B-g-d' or D-A-f-c', for a six-string: 'A-E-B-f#-d'-a', so the six-string version roughly covers the range from the bottom of a five/six-string bass to the top of a baritone guitar (range is one octave more than a guitar). For strings, you can get by with bass guitar sets with a high c string for the four-string version, for the six-string one, I resorted to using baritone guitar strings for the top two. Why did I do it? First, mainly for the extended range; I wanted to have both bass and guitar in one instrument with fewer than 10 or 12 strings...the different sound/feel (string resonances etc.) is rather different (and also means you'll have more trouble with unwanted resonances). Finally, it will (like every non-standard tuning) lead to you playing things differently (that is if you're playing from the moment and not after a score, be it on paper or in your mind). Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 18:44:18 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E597B183547; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 18:44:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=XgCULeDJ11Qm+1vG4KZofOytwqPFkeGFeGRzuUeT6LM=; b=X5u1Q7JQ++FRq/hL+XmKLRdy9liXXS8/wM1vI3Fxs47h9/P8mlzZx0HG8o3ODUPmeC Z/Q1TI2wE4BZzEp48REqrb9v7WbnuJJNi5nM91OfxmC3Qhj833e5ziwOR+Ldfi75Ec/S Lc9X4h4om645DPuD3tz7iJ5/24UzKEf0KdelB3mM4b9J8RD8QMCD7jRTbegSbQKIr68w Eqz0wfuZqGDyoR1KPwusC/tmqhLQ1kXqcWvbU4HoflTj0N/M4KS8W/zJK4w7ehQRZo+l UEOUsTJAx3mIFTnPSCGkRuini1Q3Cdk0RWyF7VxJ2tNUmAZrRlkAeKeiQuI+bKKBjkka B/ag== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.212.3 with SMTP id ng3mr8259488igc.43.1365446652992; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 11:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 11:44:12 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: In the market for a new laptop From: "kay'lon rushing" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93409f7b6251704d9ddd2f8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 18:44:17 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93409f7b6251704d9ddd2f8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Looking for a new laptop on windows to use for live looping/production. Hopefully a skinny one that is able to handle decently heavy vst's well. My budget is under $1000. Any suggestions? --14dae93409f7b6251704d9ddd2f8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

Looking for a new laptop on windows to use for live looping/production. Hopefully a skinny one that is able to handle decently heavy vst's well. My budget is under $1000. Any suggestions?

--14dae93409f7b6251704d9ddd2f8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 19:19:09 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFAE9183541; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 19:19:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.234.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:SN2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-BigFish: PS0(z3e13hz98dI9371Ic89bhc85dh4015I9a6kzz1f42h1fc6h1ee6h1de0h1fdah1202h1e76h1d1ah1d2ahzz18c673h8275bhz2fh2a8h668h839hbe3he5bhf0ah1288h12a5h12bdh137ah1441h1504h1537h153bh162dh1631h1758h18e1h1946h19b5h1ad9h1b0ah1bceh1155h) Received-SPF: pass (mail35-co1: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.234.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.234.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=SN2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_M=F6bius_weirdness?= Thread-Topic: =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=F6bius_weirdness?= Thread-Index: AQHOM83QrzcKXHYw/06MYU+HDbxyd5jLlB92gAD2ogD//9WmgA== Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 19:19:02 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.2.130206 x-originating-ip: [10.255.115.4] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CD887FA98F328jefflarsonsailpointcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 19:19:08 +0000 (UTC) --_000_CD887FA98F328jefflarsonsailpointcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable First make sure you're running standalone, plugins add more layers of compl= exity. The important folder is: /Library/Application Support/Mobius 2 If you're comfortable with the console just "cd" there, if you're using Fin= der you'll have to navigate from whatever the name of your hard disk is (mi= ne is "Macintosh HD") down. Inside Mobius 2 there should be these files: -rw-r--r-- 1 209 Oct 3 2012 host.xml -rw-r--r-- 1 20026 Mar 19 17:42 mobius.xml -rw-r--r-- 1 5569 Oct 3 2012 osc.xml -rw-r--r-- 1 3506 Apr 2 16:32 ui.xml If you're using Finder, right click on one and select "Get Info", then at t= he bottom expand "Sharing & Permissions". From the console you should see the -rw-r--r-- permissions as shown above. In Finder you sh= ould see something like: kevin (me) Read & Write admin Read Only everyone Read Only If you see that and it still isn't working, delete the Mobius 2 folder from= /Applications then delete the /Library/Application Support/Mobius 2 folder= , then run the installer again. If you want to preserve your previous set= tings make a copy of those .xml files and we can try to restore them later. If standalone works but plugins don't, then also delete these folders befor= e reinstalling: /Library/Audio/Plug-Ins/VST/Mobius 2.vst /Library/Audio/Plug-Ins/Components/Mobius 2.component Note that these /Library folders are at the root of your hard disk. You wi= ll also see a Library folder under your home directory, that isn't the one we're using here. Jeff From: Kevin Cheli-Colando > Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Date: Monday, April 8, 2013 11:50 AM To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Subject: Re: M=F6bius weirdness Resent-From: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Resent-Date: Monday, April 8, 2013 11:50 AM Hi Jeff, Mac OS 10.6.8 Thanks, Kevin On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Jeff Larson > wrote: If you're on Windows Vista or Windows 7 this is usually a file permissions = problem trying to read the two configuration files mobius.xml and ui.xml. = If you're on OS X there are similar issues with /Library/Application Suppor= t thought the installer usually handles those. Let me know what OS you're = using and we'll go from there. Jeff ________________________________ From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [billowhead@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 3:23 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: M=F6bius weirdness So I was cleaning up my hard drive yesterday and deleted a bunch of files t= hat I didn't feel I needed any longer (audio files mostly) and somehow the = graphic interface for M=F6bius disappeared. The program is still there but= the screen is white. Okay, so I screwed up and deleted what shouldn't have been, no problems. I= deinstalled m=F6bius and did a clean install of 2.5 OS. Same problem. I'= ve repeated the clear/install routine several a times since (with reboots a= plenty in between) and I still have a blank m=F6bius. Any ideas what I've done or how to repair the program? Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) --_000_CD887FA98F328jefflarsonsailpointcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <6C8C88895723C34787B055A881A08E97@namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

First make sure you're running standalone, plugins add more layers of = complexity. The important folder is:

/Library/Application Support/Mobius 2

If you're comfortable with the console just "cd" there, if y= ou're using Finder you'll have to navigate from whatever the name of your h= ard disk is (mine is "Macintosh HD") down. Inside Mobius 2 = there should be these files:

-rw-r--r-- 1 209 Oct 3 2012 host.xml

-rw-r--r-- 1 20026 Mar 19 17:42 mobius.xml

-rw-r--r-- 1 5569 Oct 3 2012 osc.xml

-rw-r--r-- 1 3506 Apr 2 16:32 ui.xml

If you're using Finder, right click on one and select "Get Info&q= uot;, then at the bottom expand "Sharing & Permissions". &nbs= p;From the console

you should see the -rw-r--r-- permissions as shown above. In Fin= der you should see something like:

kevin (me) Read & Write

admin Read Only

everyone Read Only

If you see that and it still isn't working, delete the Mobius 2 folder= from /Applications then delete the /Library/Application Support/Mobius 2 f= older, then run the installer again. If you want to preserve your pr= evious settings make a copy of those .xml files and we can try to restore them later.

If standalone works but plugins don't, then also delete these folders = before reinstalling:

/Library/Audio/Plug-Ins/VST/Mobius 2.vst

/Library/Audio/Plug-Ins/Components/Mobius 2.component

Note that these /Library folders are at the root of your hard disk. &n= bsp;You will also see a Library folder under your

home directory, that isn't the one we're using here.

Jeff

From: Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com= " <Loopers-D= elight@loopers-delight.com>
Date: Monday, April 8, 2013 11:50 A= M
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"= <Loopers-Delight= @loopers-delight.com>
Subject: Re: M=F6bius weirdness
Resent-From: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<= /a>" <Looper= s-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Resent-Date: Monday, April 8, 2013 = 11:50 AM

Hi Jeff,

Mac OS 10.6.8

Thanks,

Kevin

On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff.lar= son@sailpoint.com> wrote:

If you're on= Windows Vista or Windows 7 this is usually a file permissions problem tryi= ng to read the two configuration files mobius.xml and ui.xml. If you'= re on OS X there are similar issues with /Library/Application Support thought the installer usually handles those. = Let me know what OS you're using and we'll go from there.

Jeff

Fro= m: Kevin Cheli-Colando [billowhead@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 3:23 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: M=F6bius weirdness

So I was cleaning up my hard drive yesterday and deleted a bunch of fi= les that I didn't feel I needed any longer (audio files mostly) and somehow= the graphic interface for M=F6bius disappeared. The program is still= there but the screen is white.

Okay, so I screwed up and deleted what shouldn't have been, no problem= s. I deinstalled m=F6bius and did a clean install of 2.5 OS. Sa= me problem. I've repeated the clear/install routine several a times s= ince (with reboots aplenty in between) and I still have a blank m=F6bius.

Any ideas what I've done or how to repair the program?

Kevin

--
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.<= br>
- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

--
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.<= br>
- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

--_000_CD887FA98F328jefflarsonsailpointcom_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 22:23:45 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19EF218354F; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 22:23:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=UvglgQTpkfEKzU+IW8KCcdl5r/Qs7NHAInn/QKsbr5c=; b=dXsMSdJpGxRhBLVTrmsAZ8/CGYlzK25xoHwYxEbOJk/32qjEgOzy08R9xEUexhckg9 8q3R9/Gfsl8pqegZifKaFM3tgyYPRH9Tahr4w9rE6gIgDEewNnzEzq5nUrkq4Y/ghUSy R+MXFnJutfT4qqYkBCoVhBXaoiaKQ4b3cK7PsuCzvcvafsDUFAIWkBV/3BjzR+NZ7CSp GV39hgM0B3G31DSnBrAo+KktdJ2euLJ8ezW601cYtJa+kB7mrkmzpfOlv0cQq+pMFsW6 l+rgtExyTLwutGqqmlJHXiDBk1+bn4h+mfDtN9oTVTok8xPkISasYkHJ8gsIlNDRBx4Y u+rA== X-Received: by 10.220.73.68 with SMTP id p4mr5691278vcj.41.1365459822086; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 15:23:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.73.68 with SMTP id p4mr5691277vcj.41.1365459822022; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 15:23:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <51630F33.2040405@googlemail.com> References: <51630F33.2040405@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 23:23:41 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Anyone here tuning guitars in fifths? From: Philip Conway To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2dd74a5a71804d9e0e3ca X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnQQjX6t4ix7WSvuoWgQTWX1vO0E7JQGdfbXLI+U/twoDnRu7gmq5Cr694n2lq2JRGj2t8iqkS+Yx4DP4opqeo5wKHdxQ8htuH061tuySaOd8rHaRx1KS1nGhWo9espoG6omnLfukwPqbDPVbf4jav8eGXV6wF7Er/wYdeBFUsLhuLmOxX6H6sFXkQpwMwNyVRbWfKc Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 22:23:44 +0000 (UTC) --001a11c2dd74a5a71804d9e0e3ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The all-in-one bass and baritone is a nice idea. I'd be tempted to tune A to E instead of C to G. That'd eliminate any issues with string 1 being under too much tension (don't much like super thin strings anyway) and it'd basically give you a baritone guitar and a spanish-type guitar all in one (although the low C is already verging on baritone territory). --001a11c2dd74a5a71804d9e0e3ca Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The all-in-one bass and baritone is a nice idea. =A0I'= d be tempted to tune A to E=A0instead of C to G. =A0That'd eli= minate any issues with string 1 being under too much tension (don't muc= h like super thin strings anyway) and it'd basically give you a bariton= e guitar and a spanish-type guitar all in one (although the low C is alread= y verging on baritone territory).

--001a11c2dd74a5a71804d9e0e3ca-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 22:35:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF64118354F; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 22:35:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=j5KcqHJu7vZ1YyzTD4phwtoKbcHqRUCp7RcIRKKiK+w=; b=LLEWhPJuAfh0ugHU/v1EkQWazA2d8yN5S9ekwN96jRidanEOBzOZ6+e1JtzvHO6QUI AwGQeT+M858AJEY6XdPnfV8ZGhW1A9Rrs/KUp7tK7xh6pPJwhG5qytZbDragEMRWcevW 5JEkJUgXMwbY9wlsXrmIBr45QIbPZV5b6EFgQDHzI3QqAxUeYGQBqaHjHyRWyr6XL4Du 0USfmQJVzvYkoX5HRBPtHc3vPyM2uzKKxsgukAukepl5OkNiHLEuJVv18T6IFmgOqUlz 42qYsG5ycUxOTjxfFHLEMGLc8lM+OdVW4X9qjzVtn5iYZ4Pj+Dloc4hCZBh3C47iFM/n iFkg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.28.196 with SMTP id d4mr2811185vdh.56.1365460522106; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 15:35:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <51630F33.2040405@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 00:35:21 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Anyone here tuning guitars in fifths? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 22:35:22 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:23 AM, Philip Conway wrote: > The all-in-one bass and baritone is a nice idea. I'd be tempted to tune A > to E instead of C to G. That'd eliminate any issues with string 1 being > under too much tension (don't much like super thin strings anyway) and it'd > basically give you a baritone guitar and a spanish-type guitar all in one > (although the low C is already verging on baritone territory). Yes, that's an option. Not for me though, as I have tried it and to my taste a low A on a 25" scale instrument produces a too clunky sound due to the extremely thick string related its length. I must say though that I have had a good bass sound down at A when using flat wound strings. That's another story though as I want to use round wounds for this project. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 00:40:58 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC7F2183551; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 00:40:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=eYoNwUVX4umB9b2oUYHkqbwt2kd41R0bcWOtQtp8j9U=; b=LfOpo/WPnb7JnoETRImLYzsU/OTP8pkn5ZSIO/WgujT/InIRfDskcVyxtsZMdC3Vrw vT+YoPQ+TVrOmR7gtun6i0D6ox2uP1mYq32oLxlK15yQouJB6tBX+jCbWF/+lU43CxHT zNmZUbcwwTm2adnww447eceK2YSTCdvFP1dgjTMjB8EatqlV3pqb4lm4KM1Vu3TfCWbv chZ8w5+hj39fGS5slkl7IoEjVJUhtl3ijjWYyZUXpukMqVGzY/ERmGteJGPIEbxM1GKk DAIVyju4GLUnF7iD2Fr1xPiazMd94WHjNXrfjDpD6UCDYwGuOtPYIuBaCfNpXW151XWX qnxQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.141.35 with SMTP id rl3mr17313640oeb.121.1365468057927; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 17:40:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 17:40:57 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: In the market for a new laptop From: Art Simon To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b339dbb8b852f04d9e2ce7d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 00:40:58 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b339dbb8b852f04d9e2ce7d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Kay'lon, Most laptops are pretty good these days. I've been having good luck with Acer recently, so If it were me I'd probably buy this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834215678 8Gb Ram and an i7 processor should be adequate for most live looping. You could swap out the drive for a SSD (solid state drive) if you have a large number of tracks of music being written to or read from the disk. The biggest question mark is your sound card. Most people anymore use a USB sound card, and not all chipsets work equally well with USB audio. I would post in whatever forums there are for your particular sound card and find out what laptops have worked for other people. I'm currently using a pretty inexpensive Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 USB sound card and I'm getting low levels of latency that rival expensive RME sound cards. With a $1000 budget you should be fine. Stick with lots of RAM and a top of the line Intel i7 processor and you will probably never come close to the limits of the machine. On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 11:44 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > Looking for a new laptop on windows to use for live looping/production. > Hopefully a skinny one that is able to handle decently heavy vst's well. My > budget is under $1000. Any suggestions? > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com --047d7b339dbb8b852f04d9e2ce7d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Kay'lon,

Most laptops are = pretty good these days. I've been having good luck with Acer recently, = so If it were me I'd probably buy this:

http://www.n= ewegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16834215678

8Gb Ram and an i7 processor should be= adequate for most live looping. You could swap out the drive for a SSD (so= lid state drive) if you have a large number of tracks of music being writte= n to or read from the disk.

The biggest question mark is your sound car= d. Most people anymore use a USB sound card, and not all chipsets work equa= lly well with USB audio. I would post in whatever forums there are for your= particular sound card and find out what laptops have worked for other peop= le. I'm currently using a pretty inexpensive Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 USB= sound card and I'm getting low levels of latency that rival expensive = RME sound cards.

With a $1000 budget you should be fine. Sti= ck with lots of RAM and a top of the line Intel i7 processor and you will p= robably never come close to the limits of the machine.

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 11:44 AM, kay'= ;lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:

Looking for a new laptop on windows to use for live looping/production. = Hopefully a skinny one that is able to handle decently heavy vst's well= . My budget is under $1000. Any suggestions?

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Art Simonsimart@gmail.com=

--047d7b339dbb8b852f04d9e2ce7d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 01:18:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1022183552; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 01:18:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 135201.98621.bm@omp1006.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1365470292; bh=WY9pOGrcm+MisK2DMkahwXL40s8Ud3ot7OJUOG2o+nM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=i1/ixeUMo4+o8JztbVluXQ2daIDzG+TcQYH3uwLcsf6e/wSUEnxO8DdY51IeAN53QVZ8APWqlnGfqBLDNsyWzg7/HanIk78I/kg6n0471d9qB3Ecm3MDuxKvhL41RIz88rYhVvrp1JWISqNATb8HSeBzNjHmSmFa3RFfc//r1Bw= X-YMail-OSG: cKqVYfoVM1kf5VMpa5YxUyxzzYpgv2fKBsb7ygl.TnD3.1I dsQGKnsepGnTGKObTjuzdLE9gi_J9ZrrskSUQpf9Tc7FdON6kVtKUPE9A8lf L3.vZTeAMEquCje8pHZqPiaCRxtYQp6Cc91im7Dj_FBAM2RpJaRz.HsxKVdq JRPa8t9Rz7m2JLZ60b3eJJV4D8BlIz7L7nDzZgGcBmrxTTSziEHGCu0viKqs 75mFpSvXNORk8xWai50J5D4Y7KPM5ojIbdPjUAUA13tDyuNbh6fkkrhnYM8Q J4V7AwVuRY_04qs47h1Qjiv30l0N6HzxoZmsKQVDNcCxUoR7LVqdG_ct9VmR 091d_sdW_qEsQMDmLAFLvy_DVkQizBVehV4L3zq1pXToklmn6OVRuKlpVzfG L7i3YuKh1ulEYzbGDlVKkbQ9oAqz6qfnNoF_UtDx5KMkhH3VflVTSc.sf13D tb4gykCx0TOE.v.ANCHNKDzI6I4wAnNfp5r0M0giM3OJ2NX.8B1hSc8L7XTC _4WBqsQ1b6nO5Ce7dQStsDqiGmuGL5w9JC7QAWf7eGJ7_pBqyYnS0ciciHUe Pj1CmVRNjl9TxyqM6jjgNlf8AA5xeg9ZgAhKjSV8NsZZUcDc6aA9n0Rk9FQO yT7aPnaguZ__pzbBu600X7VxJ0qrNGF8WyYQJDyyh_Y6Ax9HW3m1Bs9esn3v M7ZbIWkDVKtykVekwJCgUlIuhOBdQF2y1XbKbcQjUX5F6UCwttoajRIEmNaj O1G.oX48ZsJQ6PfUfak3SL8CV.FhdsBsxpRup6gR62cPoPFQ1rYN_bcJnm3U t X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,DQpKdXN0IHN0YXkgYXdheSBmcm9tIGVtYWNoaW5lcyB1bmxlc3MgeW91IGFyZSByZXNpZ25lZCB0byB1c2luZyBhIG1vdXNlIG9yIGV2ZW4gYSBzZXBhcmF0ZSBrZXlib2FyZCwgaW4gd2hpY2ggY2FzZSB3aHkgdXNlIGEgbGFwdG9wPyBJIHdhcyB1c2luZyBteSAxMC15ZWFyLW9sZCBHYXRld2F5IGxhcHRvcCBhcyBhIGJhY2t1cCBmb3Igd2Vla3Mgd2hpbGUgbXkgb25lLXllYXItb2xkIGVtYWNoaW5lcyB3YXMgaW4gdGhlIHNob3AgZm9yICJkYW5jaW5nIGN1cnNvciBkaXNlYXNlLiIgTXkgY29hbC1idXJuaW4BMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.1.7 YahooMailWebService/0.8.140.532 Message-ID: <1365470292.72433.YahooMailClassic@web84503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 18:18:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: In the market for a new laptop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-861880492-1058570609-1365470292=:72433" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 01:18:14 +0000 (UTC) ---861880492-1058570609-1365470292=:72433 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just stay away from emachines unless you are resigned to using a mouse or even a separate keyboard, in which case why use a laptop? I was using my 10-year-old Gateway laptop as a backup for weeks while my one-year-old emachines was in the shop for "dancing cursor disease." My coal-burning Gateway may be slow but at least the cursor stays put and doesn't jump from field to field, or disappear entirely and take a paragraph or two along with it. Who needs that s**t?? Tim Mungenast Editor/Writer/Proofreader: www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast Guitarist/Composer/Vocalist: www.reverbnation.com/timmungenast --- On Mon, 4/8/13, Art Simon wrote: From: Art Simon Subject: Re: In the market for a new laptop To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Monday, April 8, 2013, 8:40 PM Hi Kay'lon, Most laptops are pretty good these days. I've been having good luck with Acer recently, so If it were me I'd probably buy this:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834215678 8Gb Ram and an i7 processor should be adequate for most live looping. You could swap out the drive for a SSD (solid state drive) if you have a large number of tracks of music being written to or read from the disk. The biggest question mark is your sound card. Most people anymore use a USB sound card, and not all chipsets work equally well with USB audio. I would post in whatever forums there are for your particular sound card and find out what laptops have worked for other people. I'm currently using a pretty inexpensive Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 USB sound card and I'm getting low levels of latency that rival expensive RME sound cards. With a $1000 budget you should be fine. Stick with lots of RAM and a top of the line Intel i7 processor and you will probably never come close to the limits of the machine. On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 11:44 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: Looking for a new laptop on windows to use for live looping/production. Hopefully a skinny one that is able to handle decently heavy vst's well. My budget is under $1000. Any suggestions? -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com ---861880492-1058570609-1365470292=:72433 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Just stay away from emachines unless you are resigned to using a mouse or even a separate keyboard, in which case why use a laptop? I was using my 10-year-old Gateway laptop as a backup for weeks while my one-year-old emachines was in the shop for "dancing cursor disease." My coal-burning Gateway may be slow but at least the cursor stays put and doesn't jump from field to field, or disappear entirely and take a paragraph or two along with it. Who needs that s**t??

Tim Mungenast
Editor/Writer/Proofreader: www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast
Guitarist/Composer/Vocalist: www.reverbnation.com/timmungenast

--- On Mon, 4/8/13, Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Art Simon <simart@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: In the market for a new laptop
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Date: Monday, April 8, 2013, 8:40 PM

Hi Kay'lon,

Most laptops are pretty good these days. I've been having good luck with Acer recently, so If it were me I'd probably buy this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834215678

8Gb Ram and an i7 processor should be adequate for most live looping. You could swap out the drive for a SSD (solid state drive) if you have a large number of tracks of music being written to or read from the disk.

The biggest question mark is your sound card. Most people anymore use a USB sound card, and not all chipsets work equally well with USB audio. I would post in whatever forums there are for your particular sound card and find out what laptops have worked for other people. I'm currently using a pretty inexpensive Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 USB sound card and I'm getting low levels of latency that rival expensive RME sound cards.

With a $1000 budget you should be fine. Stick with lots of RAM and a top of the line Intel i7 processor and you will probably never come close to the limits of the machine.

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 11:44 AM, kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:

Looking for a new laptop on windows to use for live looping/production. Hopefully a skinny one that is able to handle decently heavy vst's well. My budget is under $1000. Any suggestions?

--
Art Simon
simart@gmail.com

---861880492-1058570609-1365470292=:72433-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 01:45:48 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C169183551; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 01:45:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: In the market for a new laptop Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 21:45:44 -0400 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006D_01CE34A2.6C75F860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 X-Authenticated-User: spgoodman@earthlight.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 01:45:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01CE34A2.6C75F860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99ve not had a single problem with my HP bought last year. i7 = processor and 16GB. I=E2=80=99m in process of setting up an M-Audio USB = mixer to plug into it. From: Art Simon=20 Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 8:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Re: In the market for a new laptop Hi Kay'lon,=20 Most laptops are pretty good these days. I've been having good luck with = Acer recently, so If it were me I'd probably buy this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16834215678 8Gb Ram and an i7 processor should be adequate for most live looping. = You could swap out the drive for a SSD (solid state drive) if you have a = large number of tracks of music being written to or read from the disk. The biggest question mark is your sound card. Most people anymore use a = USB sound card, and not all chipsets work equally well with USB audio. I = would post in whatever forums there are for your particular sound card = and find out what laptops have worked for other people. I'm currently = using a pretty inexpensive Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 USB sound card and I'm = getting low levels of latency that rival expensive RME sound cards. With a $1000 budget you should be fine. Stick with lots of RAM and a top = of the line Intel i7 processor and you will probably never come close to = the limits of the machine. On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 11:44 AM, kay'lon rushing = wrote: Looking for a new laptop on windows to use for live = looping/production. Hopefully a skinny one that is able to handle = decently heavy vst's well. My budget is under $1000. Any suggestions?=20 --=20 Art Simon simart@gmail.com ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01CE34A2.6C75F860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I=E2=80=99ve not had a single problem with my HP bought last = year. i7=20 processor and 16GB. I=E2=80=99m in process of setting up an = M-Audio USB mixer to=20 plug into it.

From: Art Simon

Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 8:40 PM

To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20

Subject: Re: In the market for a new = laptop

Hi Kay'lon,=20

Most laptops are pretty good these days. I've been having good luck = with=20 Acer recently, so If it were me I'd probably buy this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16834215678

8Gb Ram and an i7 processor should be adequate for most live = looping. You=20 could swap out the drive for a SSD (solid state drive) if you have a = large=20 number of tracks of music being written to or read from the disk.

The biggest question mark is your sound card. Most people anymore = use a USB=20 sound card, and not all chipsets work equally well with USB audio. I = would post=20 in whatever forums there are for your particular sound card and find out = what=20 laptops have worked for other people. I'm currently using a pretty = inexpensive=20 Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 USB sound card and I'm getting low levels of = latency that=20 rival expensive RME sound cards.

With a $1000 budget you should be fine. Stick with lots of RAM and = a top of=20 the line Intel i7 processor and you will probably never come close to = the limits=20 of the machine.

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 11:44 AM, kay'lon = rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:

Looking for a new laptop on windows to use for live = looping/production.=20 Hopefully a skinny one that is able to handle decently heavy vst's = well. My=20 budget is under $1000. Any suggestions?

--
Art Simon
simart@gmail.com

------=_NextPart_000_006D_01CE34A2.6C75F860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 02:25:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 469C7183557; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 02:25:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=q2uXs+eT9r3upDdOLwDPNQkgg80KHo7+NHyxCrXCCV8=; b=GqxyFhI/Dq1XFXOyxNPYDfAav34jC+MLBuDewOCeq79LKqKjnHQ2Ut7iG2P01p9NZF uT66lDKoKZKSysV55wLIEcfqS6bZFve6uxodM3+LVUoC2jFwi7uyXXYgGyZkxLgas5Uv BAbKDEjEl7dC/B67nZNOyWjA97V+48Rxh4zLxshRBej32iVJLZ0lOuvszPDDm9nROyVS i52wtXlTQ7MzZFb28mye/Qv6YIszu0eWKAlUw2FHSvLa06Zm3pJQqYlgyh+1YFYfESoC ENLJWEDkkTb4OOH7YYQFFio0wEyMRlmlN9E6hBONg69bI3iMo+k5l/Ef5sdE+fhVwB5i sCwQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.24.10 with SMTP id q10mr4042075obf.12.1365474302009; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 19:25:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 19:25:01 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_M=F6bius_weirdness?= From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c294c4b8fa3904d9e44244 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 02:25:02 +0000 (UTC) --001a11c294c4b8fa3904d9e44244 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jeff, Seems to have worked. Thanks. I saved the old files and would love to get all my mappings and bindings and the like back. Is it possible with the old xml files or should I just start over? Kevin On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Jeff Larson wro= te: > First make sure you're running standalone, plugins add more layers of > complexity. The important folder is: > > /Library/Application Support/Mobius 2 > > If you're comfortable with the console just "cd" there, if you're using > Finder you'll have to navigate from whatever the name of your hard disk i= s > (mine is "Macintosh HD") down. Inside Mobius 2 there should be these fil= es: > > -rw-r--r-- 1 209 Oct 3 2012 host.xml > -rw-r--r-- 1 20026 Mar 19 17:42 mobius.xml > -rw-r--r-- 1 5569 Oct 3 2012 osc.xml > -rw-r--r-- 1 3506 Apr 2 16:32 ui.xml > > If you're using Finder, right click on one and select "Get Info", then > at the bottom expand "Sharing & Permissions". From the console > you should see the -rw-r--r-- permissions as shown above. In Finder you > should see something like: > > kevin (me) Read & Write > admin Read Only > everyone Read Only > > If you see that and it still isn't working, delete the Mobius 2 folder > from /Applications then delete the /Library/Application Support/Mobius 2 > folder, then run the installer again. If you want to preserve your > previous settings make a copy of those .xml files and we can try to resto= re > them later. > > If standalone works but plugins don't, then also delete these folders > before reinstalling: > > /Library/Audio/Plug-Ins/VST/Mobius 2.vst > /Library/Audio/Plug-Ins/Components/Mobius 2.component > > Note that these /Library folders are at the root of your hard disk. You > will also see a Library folder under your > home directory, that isn't the one we're using here. > > Jeff > > > From: Kevin Cheli-Colando > Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" < > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > Date: Monday, April 8, 2013 11:50 AM > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" < > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > Subject: Re: M=F6bius weirdness > Resent-From: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" < > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > Resent-Date: Monday, April 8, 2013 11:50 AM > > Hi Jeff, > > Mac OS 10.6.8 > > Thanks, > > Kevin > > > On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Jeff Larson wr= ote: > >> If you're on Windows Vista or Windows 7 this is usually a file >> permissions problem trying to read the two configuration files mobius.xm= l >> and ui.xml. If you're on OS X there are similar issues with >> /Library/Application Support thought the installer usually handles those= . >> Let me know what OS you're using and we'll go from there. >> >> Jeff >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Kevin Cheli-Colando [billowhead@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* Sunday, April 07, 2013 3:23 PM >> *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> *Subject:* M=F6bius weirdness >> >> So I was cleaning up my hard drive yesterday and deleted a bunch of >> files that I didn't feel I needed any longer (audio files mostly) and >> somehow the graphic interface for M=F6bius disappeared. The program is = still >> there but the screen is white. >> >> Okay, so I screwed up and deleted what shouldn't have been, no >> problems. I deinstalled m=F6bius and did a clean install of 2.5 OS. Sa= me >> problem. I've repeated the clear/install routine several a times since >> (with reboots aplenty in between) and I still have a blank m=F6bius. >> >> Any ideas what I've done or how to repair the program? >> >> Kevin >> >> >> >> -- >> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a >> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all troubl= e. >> >> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >> >> >> > > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble= . > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) --001a11c294c4b8fa3904d9e44244 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Jeff,

Seems to have worked. = =A0Thanks. =A0I saved the old files and would love to get all my mappings a= nd bindings and the like back. =A0Is it possible with the old xml files or = should I just start over?

Kevin =A0 =A0

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 12:19 PM= , Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:

First make sure you're running standalone, plugins add more layers= of complexity. =A0The important folder is:

=A0 =A0/Library/Application Support/Mobius 2

If you're comfortable with the console just "cd" there, = if you're using Finder you'll have to navigate from whatever the na= me of your hard disk is (mine is "Macintosh HD") down. =A0Inside = Mobius 2 there should be these files:

=A0 -rw-r--r-- =A01 =A0 209 Oct =A03 =A02012 host.xml

=A0 -rw-r--r-- =A01 20026 Mar 19 17:42 mobius.xml

=A0 -rw-r--r-- =A01 =A05569 Oct =A03 =A02012 osc.xml

=A0 -rw-r--r-- =A01 =A03506 Apr =A02 16:32 ui.xml

If you're using Finder, right click on one and select "Get In= fo", then at the bottom expand "Sharing & Permissions". = =A0From the console

you should see the -rw-r--r-- permissions as shown above. =A0In Finder= you should see something like:

=A0 =A0 =A0kevin (me) =A0Read & Write

=A0 =A0 =A0admin =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Read Only

=A0 =A0 =A0everyone =A0 =A0Read Only

If you see that and it still isn't working, delete the Mobius 2 fo= lder from /Applications then delete the /Library/Application Support/Mobius= 2 folder, then run the installer again. =A0 If you want to preserve your p= revious settings make a copy of those .xml files and we can try to restore them later.

If standalone works but plugins don't, then also delete these fold= ers before reinstalling:

=A0 =A0 =A0/Library/Audio/Plug-Ins/VST/Mobius 2.vst

=A0 =A0 /Library/Audio/Plug-Ins/Components/Mobius 2.component

Note that these /Library folders are at the root of your hard disk. = =A0You will also see a Library folder under your

home directory, that isn't the one we're using here.

Jeff

From: Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Date: Monday, April 8, 2013 11:50 A= M
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-del= ight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: Re: M=F6bius weirdness
Resent-From: "Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Date: Monday, April 8, 2013 = 11:50 AM

Hi Jeff,

Mac OS 10.6.8

Thanks,

Kevin

On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff.lar= son@sailpoint.com> wrote:

If you'r= e on Windows Vista or Windows 7 this is usually a file permissions problem = trying to read the two configuration files mobius.xml and ui.xml. =A0If you= 're on OS X there are similar issues with /Library/Application Support thought the installer usually handles those. = =A0Let me know what OS you're using and we'll go from there.

Jeff

Fro= m: Kevin Cheli-Colando [billowhead@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 3:23 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: M=F6bius weirdness

So I was cleaning up my hard drive yesterday and deleted a bunch of fi= les that I didn't feel I needed any longer (audio files mostly) and som= ehow the graphic interface for M=F6bius disappeared. =A0The program is stil= l there but the screen is white.

Okay, so I screwed up and deleted what shouldn't have been, no pro= blems. =A0I deinstalled m=F6bius and did a clean install of 2.5 OS. =A0Same= problem. =A0I've repeated the clear/install routine several a times si= nce (with reboots aplenty in between) and I still have a blank m=F6bius.

Any ideas what I've done or how to repair the program?

Kevin

--
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.<= br>
- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

--
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.<= br>
- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

--
Till now you= seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That i= s the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ram= ana Maharshi (1879-1950)

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Tue, 9 Apr 2013 20:36:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <51647CFA.6000504@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 22:41:30 +0200 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anyone here tuning guitars in fifths? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 20:36:04 +0000 (UTC) We've had several talks about this over at sevenstring,org, and I too did some experiments, but several issues works against this on standard guitars. Starting up with max high string tuning, in order to reach A4, the scale needs to be shorter than approximately 24", else you'll hit the max tensile breaking point of the steel alloy.. Low tunings will require extended long scales, a simply a matter of the needed mass in the string for vibrating at whichever frequency. Most players over at ss.org feels 27" is sorta the minimum scale for a low F#. Many are using 080, 085 or 090, and 28" - 30" is getting more common these days, simply for avoiding such gauges. My 8-stringer is a Schecter Riot 8 ltd, and the mere 26.5" isn't suitable for standard E (with a low F#), so I tune ordinary fourth G2# - F4#, simply because this works without special fat lows or cheese slisers high ends ;) My low is an Ernie Ball bass 075 string, high is a D'Addario 008, which I can with sortof so-so ease bend to G4# without breaking it. My view on fifth tuning is that fanned frets / multiscale is needed, else the strings will simply vary too much in gauges. I have the feeling you may want the fifth for fretless, which will of cause eliminate the need for bending, and as such circumvent high string breakage to some extend. You'll still need to observe the max tensile strength, though. In the ss.org Extended Range Guitars forum, check the two threads: "The A4 and beyond thread" and "String gauges and inharmonicity". Have fun ;( /van Per Boysen wrote: > The more I play fifths tuned string instruments (like the Cello and > the Stick) the more I like it and I'm curious about if it would even > be possible to tune a six stringed guitar in fifths? What I mean is > that if starting by the low E the highest string would have to be > awfully thin, as it would have to be tuned to Eb... oh my gosh, almost > one octave higher than the normally tuned guitar's high E string! That > just can't work. > > But if starting even lower at the bottom? From experimenting with > down-tuning normal guitars I know that you can tune at C on the bass > string without loosing too much good tone. Anyway, let's say we string > up a guitar like a cello: C-G-D-A-E; as my five stringed cello goes. > Adding a sixth string on a guitar would mean tuned to B - that is B > one octave higher than the B string on a normal fourths tuned guitar. > Something tells me that string will break every ten minutes :-) > > The more I'm thinking about it the more it seems to make sense to tun > the fifths tuned guitar's highest string one octave lower, in the C > based cello tuning that would imply (for 1st string) the same B note > that a normal guitar has as 2nd. Then that string could be used for > cluster and close voicing chord work. Imagining a guitar tuning going > (low to high) C1 G1 D2 A2 E3 B2. That would definitely work as far as > mechanics go. The A2 string and above should plain to allow glissando > bending. When thinking about how chords and scales work out on such a > fretboard it seems even better than the traditional guitar tuning. The > key question here is how does such a tuning affect the feel and > resonance of a normal electric guitar? So, has anyone tried it? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 20:58:23 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59B8D183511; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 20:58:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=J9StqQf3flpvvvIpx5CGzTY/USV7iq0BlGOqs1IgB3c=; b=0DwIh+VkBYHdooLnt9tHqq7t8QzTgHPqQEJDCLvM4/JTgbMLjtbgoFW8rBT+SQJJYX Y1OzDc9Qx1mff81jh43AbCAL2cdFCzQ2LKLnfelSLF+VbEaXwYXqvkqtvv+3DBu47qHQ 5Ix7PoquW1jpY3nO86FZo2kcSUM+dG3zB61EPBXSIiVxoIyhtU3XBpZY8DFg8iATo9pR xRtz+BpYwnNcJSRB7UHj/4C6ChTqub4o6NHQ34UyFHkpb08hM8Y4MwrQv2hLX8vQmNg3 0MQoNW4UL4t7aHIlyD2BT/cswCBvoxwrHFaBrRcfCAm9VfFWA2TgZqcZFxhSz2+CSndk Ww0g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.110.205 with SMTP id o13mr20862219vcp.22.1365541102665; Tue, 09 Apr 2013 13:58:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <51647CFA.6000504@post.cybercity.dk> References: <51647CFA.6000504@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 22:58:22 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Anyone here tuning guitars in fifths? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 20:58:23 +0000 (UTC) All good points, van! On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:41 PM, van Sinn wrote: > My view on fifth tuning is that fanned frets / multiscale is needed, else > the strings will simply vary too much in gauges. Yes, that's true for fifths in cascading octaves as well as for ordinary eight stringed in fourths. My idea for tuning in fifths is to overlap string ranges by tuning 1st (and maybe also 2nd) an octave lower but still at E and B (C B D A E B) so chord shapes stay the same as if it was . > I have the feeling you may want the fifth for fretless, which will of cause > eliminate the need for bending, I have tried fretless six stringed in fifths on the cello and doing this is the reason I'm now interested in having it with frets, so I can bend. > and as such circumvent high string breakage > to some extend. You'll still need to observe the max tensile strength, > though. The overlapping by octave shifting the top string(s) takes care of that. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 22:34:07 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07F631834CB; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 22:34:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.234.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:SN2PRD0410HT001.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-BigFish: PS2(z3e13hz9371Ic89bhc85dh9a6kzz1f42h1fc6h1ee6h1de0h1fdah1202h1e76h1d1ah1d2ahzz18c673h8275bhz2fh2a8h668h839hbe3he5bhf0ah1288h12a5h12bdh137ah1441h1504h1537h153bh162dh1631h1758h18e1h1946h19b5h1ad9h1b0ah1bceh1155h) Received-SPF: pass (mail76-am1: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.234.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.234.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=SN2PRD0410HT001.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_M=F6bius_weirdness?= Thread-Topic: =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=F6bius_weirdness?= Thread-Index: AQHOM83QrzcKXHYw/06MYU+HDbxyd5jLlB92gAD2ogD//9WmgIAAyt2AgAD97gA= Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 22:33:55 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.2.130206 x-originating-ip: [10.255.115.4] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CD8A0066901BDjefflarsonsailpointcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 22:34:06 +0000 (UTC) --_000_CD8A0066901BDjefflarsonsailpointcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It depends on how old your release was before the 2.5 upgrade. You can try= just replacing the new mobius.xml file with the old one and starting Mobiu= s standalone. It will usually be able to auto-upgrade old files but someti= mes it can't. Before you try that save a copy of the new mobius.xml file s= o you can put it back if the old one doesn't work. Don't do that with ui.x= ml yet, just start with mobius.xml and see if you get your bindings and pre= sets back. If it doesn't work send me the old file and I'll try to manually upgrade it= . Jeff From: Kevin Cheli-Colando > Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Date: Monday, April 8, 2013 9:25 PM To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Subject: Re: M=F6bius weirdness Resent-From: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Resent-Date: Monday, April 8, 2013 9:25 PM Hi Jeff, Seems to have worked. Thanks. I saved the old files and would love to get= all my mappings and bindings and the like back. Is it possible with the o= ld xml files or should I just start over? 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It depends on how old your release was before the 2.5 upgrade. Y= ou can try just replacing the new mobius.xml file with the old one and star= ting Mobius standalone. It will usually be able to auto-upgrade old f= iles but sometimes it can't. Before you try that save a copy of the new mobius.xml file so you can put it back if the = old one doesn't work. Don't do that with ui.xml yet, just start with = mobius.xml and see if you get your bindings and presets back.

If it doesn't work send me the old file and I'll try to manually upgra= de it.

Jeff

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Hi Jeff,

Seems to have worked. Thanks. I saved the old f= iles and would love to get all my mappings and bindings and the like back. = Is it possible with the old xml files or should I just start over?

Kevin

--_000_CD8A0066901BDjefflarsonsailpointcom_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 03:31:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B68D91834BA; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 03:31:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=8TWjSWPm0c1HWzFlS1nIbyYeBYxUJKtdfm8ESryrZUI=; b=i7fw+XJRQ4UFN2a68ZkdnALNnwM4hblTXeXHVNQSFV0KfahfOFDtnJRm6vgGtsPIfE C5GTfBRiclwD0mmjjbYXVE4t42mPCHu5aZPe8ZghCtwb8alGu90SBZau6kn4BZG4u5uh yzkcJnd7WwytX2OK1d/P9HoF7SjvXxFHJ89KgSm+UaNCPHP48JPO0IgzvQjY2QLq9p9u d/lAzENANXslJXH2/fTbGraFwDIXgTfR+URVhKhkBTrquuQfrIXhaeJuYNQPS9NEX2kq 96/SJWdrA0sWCqUeUh32S0wyRd7hGEEYwPiYihhobx97qI3Owlgkiht6/rXDmXHwsnZG qJ3g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.212.3 with SMTP id ng3mr232762igc.43.1365564709773; Tue, 09 Apr 2013 20:31:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 20:31:49 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: In the market for a new laptop From: "kay'lon rushing" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93409f771a9e304d9f94f6b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 03:31:50 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93409f771a9e304d9f94f6b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Art I looked at that link. It looks like a nice laptop but 1.9ghz seems somewhat low. Correct me if I'm wrong as I'm no computer wiz. The Laptop I use now is 2ghz. It's not i7 though. On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Tony K wrote: > I love my Alienware laptop. Definitely get as much ram as you can. And i > would really try to stick with windows 7 64 bit. 8 is ok but really geared > towards touch screens. > > Tim Mungenast wrote: > > > > >Just stay away from emachines unless you are resigned to using a mouse or > even a separate keyboard, in which case why use a laptop? I was using my > 10-year-old Gateway laptop as a backup for weeks while my one-year-old > emachines was in the shop for "dancing cursor disease." My coal-burning > Gateway may be slow but at least the cursor stays put and doesn't jump from > field to field, or disappear entirely and take a paragraph or two along > with it. Who needs that s**t?? > > > >Tim Mungenast > >Editor/Writer/Proofreader: www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast > >Guitarist/Composer/Vocalist: www.reverbnation.com/timmungenast > > > >--- On Mon, 4/8/13, Art Simon wrote: > > > >From: Art Simon > >Subject: Re: In the market for a new laptop > >To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" < > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > >Date: Monday, April 8, 2013, 8:40 PM > > > >Hi Kay'lon, > >Most laptops are pretty good these days. I've been having good luck with > Acer recently, so If it were me I'd probably buy this: > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834215678 > > > > > >8Gb Ram and an i7 processor should be adequate for most live looping. You > could swap out the drive for a SSD (solid state drive) if you have a large > number of tracks of music being written to or read from the disk. > > > >The biggest question mark is your sound card. Most people anymore use a > USB sound card, and not all chipsets work equally well with USB audio. I > would post in whatever forums there are for your particular sound card and > find out what laptops have worked for other people. I'm currently using a > pretty inexpensive Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 USB sound card and I'm getting > low levels of latency that rival expensive RME sound cards. > > > >With a $1000 budget you should be fine. Stick with lots of RAM and a top > of the line Intel i7 processor and you will probably never come close to > the limits of the machine. > > > > > >On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 11:44 AM, kay'lon rushing > wrote: > > > >Looking for a new laptop on windows to use for live looping/production. > Hopefully a skinny one that is able to handle decently heavy vst's well. My > budget is under $1000. Any suggestions? > > > > > > > >-- > >Art Simon > >simart@gmail.com > > > > > -- http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238 My Music: - http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27 - www.soundcloud.com/k3z My Photography: http://www.flickr.com/photos/k3z/ --14dae93409f771a9e304d9f94f6b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Art I looked at that link. It looks like a nice laptop but= 1.9ghz seems=20 somewhat low. Correct me if I'm wrong as I'm no computer wiz. The L= aptop I use now is 2ghz. It's not i7 though.

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Tony K= <bigtonyk@gmail.com> wrote:

I love my Alienware laptop. Definitely get a= s much ram as you can. =A0And i would really try to stick with windows 7 64= bit. =A08 is ok but really geared towards touch screens.

Tim Mungenast <tmungenast@veri= zon.net> wrote:

>
>Just stay away from emachines unless you are resigned to using a mouse = or even a separate keyboard, in which case why use a laptop? I was using my= 10-year-old Gateway laptop as a backup for weeks while my one-year-old ema= chines was in the shop for "dancing cursor disease." My coal-burn= ing Gateway may be slow but at least the cursor stays put and doesn't j= ump from field to field, or disappear entirely and take a paragraph or two = along with it. Who needs that s**t??
>
>Tim Mungenast
>Editor/Writer/Proofreader: www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast
>Guitarist/Composer/Vocalist: www.reverbnation.com/timmungenast
>
>--- On Mon, 4/8/13, Art Simon <s= imart@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>From: Art Simon <simart@gmail.co= m>

>Subject: Re: In the market for a new lap= top

>To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <= Loopers-Delight@loop= ers-delight.com>
>Date: Monday, April 8, 2013, 8:40 PM
>

>Hi Kay'lon,
>Most laptops are pretty good these days. I've been having good luck= with Acer recently, so If it were me I'd probably buy this:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168342156= 78
>
>
>8Gb Ram and an i7 processor should be adequate for most live looping. Y= ou could swap out the drive for a SSD (solid state drive) if you have a lar= ge number of tracks of music being written to or read from the disk.
>
>The biggest question mark is your sound card. Most people anymore use a= USB sound card, and not all chipsets work equally well with USB audio. I w= ould post in whatever forums there are for your particular sound card and f= ind out what laptops have worked for other people. I'm currently using = a pretty inexpensive Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 USB sound card and I'm gett= ing low levels of latency that rival expensive RME sound cards.
>
>With a $1000 budget you should be fine. Stick with lots of RAM and a to= p of the line Intel i7 processor and you will probably never come close to = the limits of the machine.
>
>
>On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 11:44 AM, kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Looking for a new laptop on windows to use for live looping/production.= Hopefully a skinny one that is able to handle decently heavy vst's wel= l. My budget is under $1000. Any suggestions?
>
>
>
>--
>Art Simon
>simart@gmail.com
>
>

--
http:/= /www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238

My Music: - http://www.yo= utube.com/user/gumdrops27
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0 - www.soundcloud.com/k3z
My Photogra= phy: http:/= /www.flickr.com/photos/k3z/

--14dae93409f771a9e304d9f94f6b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 03:46:21 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1241183516; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 03:46:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 03:46:20 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 22:41:46 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: OVER THE TOP @Outpost 186 Saturday April 13 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com, MaiyimBaron@JapaneseInterpreter.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 03:46:20 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, Visual Music LIVE continues at Outpost 186 on Saturday at 8 PM. -- I'll be doing video improvisations with TimWorld and special guests: Dr T - live video mixing with: Tim Mungenast - strings Michael Bloom - strings Jon Proudman - drums with special guests Ornette Coleman alumnus - Dave Bryant keyboards and fiery sax player Tsuyoshi Honjo I've worked frequently with Tim, Michael, Jon and Dave, and once with Tsuyoshi's intense sax playing. This will be high energy and lots of fun. Outpost 186, 186 Hampshire St (in the back), near Inman Square, Cambridge MA Suggested donation, $10 617.876.0860 ~ all ages ~ http://www.zeitgeist-outpost.org Many of my finished video pieces (both studio and live) can be seen at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld. -- "I rang a silent bell ..." -- Robert Hunter "... cast your dancing spell my way, I promise to go under it" -- Bob Dylan My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 11:29:57 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3302E183511; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 11:29:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com x-originating-ip: 208.109.97.160 Message-ID: <51654D30.9010206@soundscapes.us> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 07:29:52 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #834 for April 4, 2013. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 11:29:57 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/gt/playlists/2013/130404.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #835 April 4, 2013. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels?playlist_date=04-04-2013 RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on Ken Elkinson. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Music for Commuting Volumes 1 - 2." http://soundscapes.us/gt/playlists/2013/focus.html#apr PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Bryan Carrigan Seventh Stone Windows (Peonies Music) Robert Schroeder Nature Processed Ferro OXID (Spheric) Intelligentsia Dark Star Music for Motherships (Earth Academy) Arcane A Tale of Unease A Tale of Unease (Paul Lawler Music) Radio Massacre Second Set * Lost In Transit 7 (Northern International Echo) Ken Elkinson unfolding Music for Commuting Volumes 1 - 2 (none) Ken Elkinson move over, sunrise MfC Vols 1 - 2 (none) Ken Elkinson renewal MfC Vols 1 - 2 (none) Ken Elkinson eventual morning MfC Vols 1 - 2 (none) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Ken Elkinson miles MfC Vols 1 - 2 (none) Ken Elkinson submerge MfC Vols 1 - 2 (none) Ken Elkinson glass house MfC Vols 1 - 2 (none) Ken Elkinson incandescence MfC Vols 1 - 2 (none) Ken Elkinson the window west MfC Vols 1 - 2 (none) Ken Elkinson soleri MfC Vols 1 - 2 (none) Ken Elkinson far rockaway (gulls) MfC Vols 1 - 2 (none) Ken Elkinson radiate MfC Vols 1 - 2 (none) Ken Elkinson something more MfC Vols 1 - 2 (none) Ken Elkinson silver maple MfC Vols 1 - 2 (none) Ken Elkinson violins/escape MfC Vols 1 - 2 (none) Ken Elkinson infinity MfC Vols 1 - 2 (none) Ken Elkinson enigma MfC Vols 1 - 2 (none) Ken Elkinson well lit MfC Vols 1 - 2 (none) Ken Elkinson riverside park MfC Vols 1 - 2 (none) Ken Elkinson plateau MfC Vols 1 - 2 (none) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on Ken Elkinson. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Music for Commuting Volumes 3 - 4." WDIY Announcement: http://wdiy.org/post/next-galactic-travels-2013-04-11 Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 13:42:37 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18B97183511; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 13:42:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1225 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 13:42:36 UTC From: Bassi Lele Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-745870546 Subject: Installation Crucis Via Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 15:22:07 +0200 Message-Id: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 13:42:36 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-745870546 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii An old performance in a small village in the italian mountains. The = whole country has been transformed into an installation with the people = who followed an unusual easter procession. I was in charge of sound = design live, moving myself with the instruments in more points, playing = with blacksmiths and woodcutters. At the time I did not use loop machine = but only the recorder of my gr 1. i'm glad to share it with you Bye Lele Bassi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DI9ivG2juerQ&feature=3Dyoutu.be --Apple-Mail-1-745870546 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

An old performance in a small village in the italian mountains. The whole country has been = transformed into an installation with = the people who followed an unusual = easter procession. I= was in charge of sound design live, moving = myself with the = instruments in more points, = playing with blacksmiths and woodcutters. At = the time I did not use loop machine but only = the recorder of my = gr 1.

i'm glad to share it with = you

Bye

Lele = Bassi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DI9ivG2juerQ&feature=3Dyoutu.be=

= --Apple-Mail-1-745870546-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 16:05:34 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FC4B183514; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:05:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=cWxfHm9du1294n3KppPH2dS4q7Jw4tqWsWFxTacprYsvK9xGilsTPXrAqoI5kkVt; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <53D57420-134A-45E0-B4BC-B81590CC293F@baymoon.com> References: <53D57420-134A-45E0-B4BC-B81590CC293F@baymoon.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 12:05:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: a Little Black Box That Could Change Guitars Forever Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79705b39ed631d6bcd525ec7e8458f24fb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:05:34 +0000 (UTC) Wow... http://gizmodo.com/5994116/how-inventor-paul-vo-created-a-little-black-box-that-could-change-guitars-forever -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 16:10:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB352183518; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:10:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=o8p8RS/0SfCJ7Gl5C4I+/LvSBSq9n06lO1wJJKKjl+k=; b=KHHfjE6bQoQLFq0CHkm/YEbpJgU6fB3p+WccOAoeEpGgCSJXgZ08Db15WOuXbboRVK pSdnDHLJiiPW7c8KPSvmbOndwnUVvDrDU5b+Z/ycuamHEsfyGf1m7C2Nj87zAYUvDAaN QCE9aAyqLRr9rsOC3gLmiWvcMOI7Oy76b12sox+o+5XrTd08nux9k4SndigKk/YIyCQQ Zo4gvaN0yzUSHCgHzsxz5rpnUuVHNEZcB9fPBWyqqukkljldGIOC8DNEky85FXkKNKwu +qoUrzSAgEyIM6zePXM8ALwgwIuDHyh+EFKxCmtM2U+J/s3Gk6qgJVGv0SP8gBW4yhZg RNxQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.81.40 with SMTP id w8mr11858131wjx.14.1365696619183; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 09:10:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <53D57420-134A-45E0-B4BC-B81590CC293F@baymoon.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 09:10:19 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: a Little Black Box That Could Change Guitars Forever From: Richard Sales To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bb04364db933e04da180508 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnTgg4gytA+Rr1iV3ioEJBpWqo+RQpVj8e60tFvyaXNMdVK1nrvRTahSWkNqhnvEO2BQQjj Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:10:22 +0000 (UTC) --047d7bb04364db933e04da180508 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Oh yea. I saw that. Incredible! Now, if only I had an extra $2K sitting around. -- richard sales www.glasswing.com On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > Wow... > > http://gizmodo.com/5994116/**how-inventor-paul-vo-created-** > a-little-black-box-that-could-**change-guitars-forever > -- > > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > http://albumcredits.com/zmix > > --047d7bb04364db933e04da180508 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh yea. =A0I saw that. =A0Incredible!

Now, if only I had an extra $2K sitting = around.

--=A0
richard sales
www.glasswing.com=

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:= 05 AM, Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> wrote:

Wow...

http://gizm= odo.com/5994116/how-inventor-paul-vo-created-a-little-black-b= ox-that-could-change-guitars-forever
--

...
http://www.zmix.net
http://albumcred= its.com/zmix

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--047d7bb04364db933e04da180508-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 16:13:26 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B864218351D; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:13:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer :in-reply-to:message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding :mime-version; bh=ojcTx7ldajAUpny6pV4zxq+DkcZyVoXi1utBd7WmRw8=; b=zqZ50GFSEj9pysG17WfUTrxA3NqpNj05Y5NW3wMfXqbmUn0dSirMVsZDQYtLMzuPgW FE8pNHRzEWkJrjgm36bB11SFNnAANnWwms+ZaGIgwF/DrOlq33wFiM7oJCjKzVdCJ/j4 zecx/VQm4ByTcYcD++hsO9pwra4I7VaMQD0asaYjgGP1bjAXFMGsxWqYkSkRnptW1qb9 aRxPVsu/Z5oehwf22AcM0o5rTjAalniq8VUpwmnKxxet41VZQ2vGpJXWii3QmmQ0epqk uz2EoRwwRDZleEvPQon1ji9zW2BZtiq0Kh2txt/yCDqPTHLMUvucN0fxnbv2Uus0UzxW SgLg== X-Received: by 10.68.163.162 with SMTP id yj2mr9851571pbb.201.1365696805805; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 09:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: a Little Black Box That Could Change Guitars Forever References: <53D57420-134A-45E0-B4BC-B81590CC293F@baymoon.com>

From: Miles Ward Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-DB53F1FD-0027-456C-ABEA-6FC6FB1BF94E X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B329) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 09:13:15 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:13:26 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-DB53F1FD-0027-456C-ABEA-6FC6FB1BF94E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Woah. Just need one for my tuba; probably means i need to drill a tone hole i= n my face... -Miles On Apr 11, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Richard Sales wrote: > Oh yea. I saw that. Incredible! > Now, if only I had an extra $2K sitting around. > --=20 > richard sales > www.glasswing.com >=20 > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Charles Zwicky w= rote: >> Wow... >>=20 >> http://gizmodo.com/5994116/how-inventor-paul-vo-created-a-little-black-bo= x-that-could-change-guitars-forever >> --=20 >>=20 >> ... >> http://www.zmix.net >>=20 >> http://albumcredits.com/zmix >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-DB53F1FD-0027-456C-ABEA-6FC6FB1BF94E Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Woah. Just need one for my tuba; probably means i need to drill a tone hole in my face...

-Miles

On Apr 11, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Richard Sales <richard@glasswing.com> wrote:

Oh yea. I saw that. Incredible!
Now, if only I had an extra $2K sitting around.
--
richard sales
www.glasswing.com

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> wrote:

Wow...

http://gizmodo.com/5994116/how-inventor-paul-vo-created-a-little-black-box-that-could-change-guitars-forever
--

...
http://www.zmix.net

http://albumcredits.com/zmix

--Apple-Mail-DB53F1FD-0027-456C-ABEA-6FC6FB1BF94E-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 16:25:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41D2A18351B; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:25:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=7sUc/u6LBDLtJZxf+/p8kwR2zIrJ7C1+0Vlm0LrlChM=; b=pSBFoSde7LC3yGtJ7MN4wzgqA5ZdBZOCGpaox46LVDcmrrdor96EG2STibmDL+xngt mVlo/zTWJZERUF5XcOiFb9RvY1Leuyi07kh+IXlxIQxsEUC/siCQ1cZ4AAlx25yDlrQs m2HyFatB72Oy4sKjVSWgQH6pJ/GHvJnuJys8L2KABhrsSk/mTpf3IKUv9G6lT2v/FnpI E3RBvZ2EDA7cj9ZOHolGaPk8FEfuteJxzhfDIhM1ia73uFsAzTll8B1kt2LCXdIo+vdl 0nAEKvJoILeLcGEn4irOGnd0Dz0EkbMPqfaUpSXiTLLJ0oXrKR7abDmDP5WS8xSAVuXS KtPg== X-Received: by 10.52.95.108 with SMTP id dj12mr1508838vdb.46.1365697512989; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 09:25:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.52.95.108 with SMTP id dj12mr1508832vdb.46.1365697512823; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 09:25:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <53D57420-134A-45E0-B4BC-B81590CC293F@baymoon.com>

From: Philip Conway Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:24:52 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: a Little Black Box That Could Change Guitars Forever To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3071cbd61f97dd04da183bc1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnHOnTt0DtjHN11qq2dVHqWKTLfKtkM3c8wC80UKRSRXKLVacGu0wNMVOyxjCRIyhtHAY/W861/dNKnTiTFosfgcfIt+CDMqEvXDvRivPovMioKVQwbFyHmAcKhKpOLSVKhNO9bAyO0OotjbD29CfpFCcXFKzKg7gKqO27H3T//gAmDN4jLcMRcEDjfa8USMHIBJSLN Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:25:53 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3071cbd61f97dd04da183bc1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yeah that thing looks and sounds amazing (as does the Moog guitar). The Kickstarter thing says they've got half their target of $50k pledged in just two days. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/38513516/the-vo-96-acoustic-synthesizer Looks like it'll be happening! $1050 gets you the raw electronics. On 11 April 2013 17:13, Miles Ward wrote: > Woah. Just need one for my tuba; probably means i need to drill a tone > hole in my face... > > -Miles > > On Apr 11, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Richard Sales wrote: > > Oh yea. I saw that. Incredible! > Now, if only I had an extra $2K sitting around. > -- > richard sales > www.glasswing.com > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > >> Wow... >> >> http://gizmodo.com/5994116/**how-inventor-paul-vo-created-** >> a-little-black-box-that-could-**change-guitars-forever >> -- >> >> ... >> http://www.zmix.net >> >> http://albumcredits.com/zmix >> >> > > > > > > --20cf3071cbd61f97dd04da183bc1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yeah that thing looks and sounds amazing (as does the Moog= guitar). =A0The Kickstarter thing says they've got half their target o= f $50k pledged in just two days.

http://www= .kickstarter.com/projects/38513516/the-vo-96-acoustic-synthesizer

Looks like it'll be happening! =A0$1050 gets = you the raw electronics.

On 11 April 2013 17:13, Miles Ward <miles932@gmail= .com> wrote:

Woah. Just need one f= or my tuba; probably means i need to drill a tone hole in my face...

-Miles

On Apr 11, 20= 13, at 9:10 AM, Richard Sales <richard@glasswing.com> wrote:

Oh yea. =A0I saw that. =A0Incredible!
Now, if only I had an extra $2K sitting around.
--=A0
richard sales
www= .glasswing.com

On Thu, = Apr 11, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net&g= t; wrote:

Wow...

http://gizm= odo.com/5994116/how-inventor-paul-vo-created-a-little-black-b= ox-that-could-change-guitars-forever
--

...
http://www.zmix.net
http://albumcred= its.com/zmix

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--20cf3071cbd61f97dd04da183bc1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 16:27:09 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA27F18351D; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:27:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <94BF6E52A75742F08938C7A7538C12D7@ELUS1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <53D57420-134A-45E0-B4BC-B81590CC293F@baymoon.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: a Little Black Box That Could Change Guitars Forever Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 12:27:09 -0400 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 X-Authenticated-User: spgoodman@earthlight.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:27:09 +0000 (UTC) Suddenly remembered the scene in "Spinal Tap" where Nigel describes the sustain on his guitar... :) -----Original Message----- From: Charles Zwicky Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 12:05 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: a Little Black Box That Could Change Guitars Forever Wow... http://gizmodo.com/5994116/how-inventor-paul-vo-created-a-little-black-box-that-could-change-guitars-forever -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 23:28:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30950183514; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 23:28:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com x-originating-ip: 208.109.97.160 Message-ID: <516746FE.9080205@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:27:58 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 23:28:02 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY http://galactictravels.info Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Ken Elkinson. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Music for Commuting Volumes 3 - 4" on August Son Productions. The Special Focus page is at http://soundscapes.us/gt/playlists/2013/focus.html#apr Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 08:12:33 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BB75183514; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 08:12:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 314 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 08:12:32 UTC Message-ID: <5167C0B2.9000003@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 09:07:14 +0100 From: Chrissie Caulfield User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130402 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a Little Black Box That Could Change Guitars Forever References: <53D57420-134A-45E0-B4BC-B81590CC293F@baymoon.com>

In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=AUhbpHVS+xhHrj9wLCYAQoYnFLYUZdbP8UM0GmH2jwk= c=1 sm=0 a=aRjuAwKzTPkA:10 a=Nv2q6E-IeewA:10 a=osC80HIQVLkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=3WRSe_JgAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=5Up8faWwAAAA:8 a=8ZMRdskmAAAA:8 a=d3s395feAAAA:8 a=Cd49tnEHAAAA:8 a=ooPqo4HcSPDA6ch6HiAA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=emtTDZz8FtAA:10 a=v6MMM96S_sUA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 08:12:33 +0000 (UTC) I did it the hard way, I learned to play violin ;-) Chrissie On 11/04/13 17:24, Philip Conway wrote: > Yeah that thing looks and sounds amazing (as does the Moog guitar). The > Kickstarter thing says they've got half their target of $50k pledged in > just two days. > > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/38513516/the-vo-96-acoustic-synthesizer > > Looks like it'll be happening! $1050 gets you the raw electronics. > > > On 11 April 2013 17:13, Miles Ward > wrote: > > Woah. Just need one for my tuba; probably means i need to drill a > tone hole in my face... > > -Miles > > On Apr 11, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Richard Sales > wrote: > >> Oh yea. I saw that. Incredible! >> Now, if only I had an extra $2K sitting around. >> -- >> richard sales >> www.glasswing.com >> >> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Charles Zwicky >> > wrote: >> >> Wow... >> >> http://gizmodo.com/5994116/__how-inventor-paul-vo-created-__a-little-black-box-that-could-__change-guitars-forever >> >> -- >> >> ... >> http://www.zmix.net >> >> http://albumcredits.com/zmix >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- Chrissie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 09:49:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAAE3183517; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 09:49:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0d4pl9yiOX+BWeuLLHYd3/wCcycBo7LnLuITyWATSVE=; b=Eh4/HWmh828ndM05OUvGcLqYcuARc5MFzxPXdzxkidT+dvVCDv32jup5Ywh0ZeEEpP gOnNJ2C6JqruUPOuwhVyQpSTJamAIaZa8WEqAzLs8EF9XTqyqaeSog3avOK33FQ/qiDr 9+oXkMlOW1MK5Nra1yN//gAtFpPrUlKmLD0DUs4NoyzbUNIQ79mLRtDW3U8ECnK0cbrp uJ1+OXfNtO9f78TbSefZ/TAIuhbkSk31is1rA7QyhpvSGJGg1HiqJPs758CXsAgkG7p1 +4BeHJge2gdvfwBXROVjxbFymlz93QQjh8dvspQ4kz1sJ4Vf0yx7ZF0rVamAq7ii1JQ2 hU1Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.100.163 with SMTP id ez3mr6628821vdb.6.1365760162142; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 02:49:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5167C0B2.9000003@googlemail.com> References: <53D57420-134A-45E0-B4BC-B81590CC293F@baymoon.com>

<5167C0B2.9000003@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 11:49:22 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: a Little Black Box That Could Change Guitars Forever From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 09:49:22 +0000 (UTC) But it is isn't the same thing; this is more like an extension to the instrument. Compare it to using a different bow with the violin, or standing inside smaller or bigger acoustic room to play etc. What it does, when applied to a steel string acoustic guitar (don't know if it would even work with bowed string instruments) is to add an organ like timbre behind the regular guitar sound. And all by acoustic means, no electronics needed; hundred procent busking proof as far as I understand it. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Chrissie Caulfield wrote: > I did it the hard way, I learned to play violin ;-) > > Chrissie > > On 11/04/13 17:24, Philip Conway wrote: >> >> Yeah that thing looks and sounds amazing (as does the Moog guitar). The >> Kickstarter thing says they've got half their target of $50k pledged in >> just two days. >> >> >> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/38513516/the-vo-96-acoustic-synthesizer >> >> Looks like it'll be happening! $1050 gets you the raw electronics. >> >> >> On 11 April 2013 17:13, Miles Ward > > wrote: >> >> Woah. Just need one for my tuba; probably means i need to drill a >> tone hole in my face... >> >> -Miles >> >> On Apr 11, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Richard Sales > > wrote: >> >>> Oh yea. I saw that. Incredible! >>> Now, if only I had an extra $2K sitting around. >>> -- >>> richard sales >>> www.glasswing.com >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Charles Zwicky >>> > wrote: >>> >>> Wow... >>> >>> >>> http://gizmodo.com/5994116/__how-inventor-paul-vo-created-__a-little-black-box-that-could-__change-guitars-forever >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> ... >>> http://www.zmix.net >>> >>> http://albumcredits.com/zmix >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Chrissie > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 15:33:13 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F1C71834CB; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=6g7lVf6sUXbyOHr9ZdpuQIaVa0ofELXd2MXLOS4mwQQ=; b=pL///ax5sg9nSuRUyuawkFIfOUnjza6vijAdGGAlLRj3wFgPHNVL4HOOlcdcUaxyOd 2OXNHwzsQf0eiFy0cH/cY+jKGrUQWhGDDEyfG5RxBa3ezOZUK7la0JpJYbdXjMCKPqRu u2S3Y9/s3pU2sxtXinYrq09nSHv2dR5ady273z7dZ52mEJulybuZ5hEZf0eW/G6wV95A 0LBQEId/2RXEZV2lPn7qTbh9TnkRm1i56j9w5PDnNUQOTXyaVef1J7Yffoc45LyzuYYI fFbIBECd8WrgGXe+d8ElUrTkpmsYH5AuP7ch3rhrL7lZ8hQgBUynKiwXDO2/o6mZGNgj 3Y+g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.42.200 with SMTP id q8mr4152263oel.72.1365780792511; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 08:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 10:33:12 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Nels Cline on his EH16ddl from PG (5 essential effects article) From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c1ff72fa97a704da2b9ef4 Resent-Message-ID: <59JZdD.A.ItE.5kCaRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:33:13 +0000 (UTC) --001a11c1ff72fa97a704da2b9ef4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable don't know if folks saw this, Nels C. did a short article in PG: *5. Looper* This last pick was almost a tie between the DigiTech Whammy Pedal and the mention of my antiquated and super-scarce Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Digital Delay (which would have been *even more* cheating on my part). I use them both all the time. I much prefer the original Whammy (the smaller red one) and have had some really aggravating experiences with the newer, "reissue" (the big red one that's not really a reissue at all=97it's just red). But I am so lost without my old EH 16 Second. I have used it since Bill Frisell showed me his (he is *the master*) back in 1985. It's *always*recording, one can drop sounds into the loop non-destructively, do reverse (everything does reverse these days, but alas), it's small, It's magic. It's also rare as hens' teeth, and after writing this column it may be even more difficult to get! Too bad. To me, it's one of the coolest things ever, and I rarely leave home without it. I have tried other things; the nice folks at Electro-Harmonix even gave me a wonderful 2880 to mollify me since their "reissue" also wasn't a reissue and didn't do what the old one did at all, and I=92d whined loudly and irritatingly about it. I think it was the first gratis piece of gear I ever got, and it came with a sweet note from Mike Matthews and everything=97amazing! But sadly for me, the EHX 16 Second DD is all I like (try to find one and then try to afford one=97my first one= I got used for $225). It=92s become a part of my playing and my sound, especially in my own music (The Nels Cline Singers, et al), and with improvisers. full story: http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/2013/Apr/Nels_Clines_5_Essentia= l_Effects.aspx --001a11c1ff72fa97a704da2b9ef4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

don't know if folks saw this, Nels C. did a short= article in PG:

5.= Looper
This last pick was almost a tie between the DigiTech Whammy Pedal and=20 the mention of my antiquated and super-scarce Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Digital Delay (which would have been even more cheating on my=20 part). I use them both all the time. I much prefer the original Whammy=20 (the smaller red one) and have had some really aggravating experiences=20 with the newer, "reissue" (the big red one that's not really = a reissue=20 at all=97it's just red). But I am so lost without my old EH 16 Second. = I=20 have used it since Bill Frisell showed me his (he is the master) b= ack in 1985. It's always recording, one can drop sounds into the loop non-destructively, do=20 reverse (everything does reverse these days, but alas), it's small, It&= #39;s magic. It's also rare as hens' teeth, and after writing this colum= n it=20 may be even more difficult to get! Too bad. To me, it's one of the=20 coolest things ever, and I rarely leave home without it. I have tried=20 other things; the nice folks at Electro-Harmonix even gave me a=20 wonderful 2880 to mollify me since their "reissue" also wasn'= t a reissue and didn't do what the old one did at all, and I=92d whined loudly and= =20 irritatingly about it. I think it was the first gratis piece of gear I=20 ever got, and it came with a sweet note from Mike Matthews and=20 everything=97amazing! But sadly for me, the EHX 16 Second DD is all I like (try to find one and then try to afford one=97my first one I got used for $225). It=92s become a part of my playing and my sound, especially in my= =20 own music (The Nels Cline Singers, et al), and with improvisers.

full story:
http://www.premierg= uitar.com/Magazine/Issue/2013/Apr/Nels_Clines_5_Essential_Effects.aspx<= br>

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Did he used to play with Genesis? ------------------------------ On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:33 AM PDT Scott Hansen wrote: >don't know if folks saw this, Nels C. did a short article in PG: > >*5. Looper* >This last pick was almost a tie between the DigiTech Whammy Pedal and the >mention of my antiquated and super-scarce Electro-Harmonix 16 Second >Digital Delay (which would have been *even more* cheating on my part). I >use them both all the time. I much prefer the original Whammy (the smaller >red one) and have had some really aggravating experiences with the newer, >"reissue" (the big red one that's not really a reissue at all=E2=80=94it's= just >red). But I am so lost without my old EH 16 Second. I have used it since >Bill Frisell showed me his (he is *the master*) back in 1985. It's >*always*recording, one can drop sounds into the loop >non-destructively, do reverse >(everything does reverse these days, but alas), it's small, It's magic. >It's also rare as hens' teeth, and after writing this column it may be eve= n >more difficult to get! Too bad. To me, it's one of the coolest things ever= , >and I rarely leave home without it. I have tried other things; the nice >folks at Electro-Harmonix even gave me a wonderful 2880 to mollify me sinc= e >their "reissue" also wasn't a reissue and didn't do what the old one did a= t >all, and I=E2=80=99d whined loudly and irritatingly about it. I think it w= as the >first gratis piece of gear I ever got, and it came with a sweet note from >Mike Matthews and everything=E2=80=94amazing! But sadly for me, the EHX 16= Second >DD is all I like (try to find one and then try to afford one=E2=80=94my fi= rst one I >got used for $225). It=E2=80=99s become a part of my playing and my sound, >especially in my own music (The Nels Cline Singers, et al), and with >improvisers. > >full story: >http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/2013/Apr/Nels_Clines_5_Essenti= al_Effects.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 16:45:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3898183517; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:45:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=qZQsANMBwlPXGoaMlFDYo4SFUwHPY2gceizrYdEefvI=; b=cWSPVR6/IYCvuy0FNpNMpmdRYaKoo3aRcxbgW9Q8J4MKzlHH/Oj027IVuX0yfbVS4Z 9OH0zkmhPxe0+Qy2J5NFUubGVcLI0omgIld7c1+QTS/rTbCZwOkESH5l5oOw8A/e41R9 rq9f5gPbhiMJQY6TZ5xh8cmGb3ifiG0Jk/drpgMXkWdl9iZseDM/OdAJj/d+t/tezzDN R+kmNklOZ+hZct4mDoDq2BXbzheNuOl2gyGdNC3e89O8ppoA6gUWrEKM3WA2uagt7sny EzIK+KEUkupkxC80tLNfdJiOw2OE2sSqeIrdSXoZobjiWOA3OoJ++GfxftNKiT4fFK+u g5Dg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.59.74 with SMTP id x10mr4101886oeq.48.1365785105991; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 09:45:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1365785026.90195.BPMail_high_carrier@web121603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1365785026.90195.BPMail_high_carrier@web121603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 09:45:05 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Nels Cline on his EH16ddl from PG (5 essential effects article) From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01161436150dea04da2ca054 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:45:06 +0000 (UTC) --089e01161436150dea04da2ca054 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hah, that would be a great name for a looping pedal wouldn't it, THE NELS CLONE Kevin On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Elmer Fuddski wr= ote: > > > Nelson Clone? Did he used to play with Genesis? > > > ------------------------------ > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:33 AM PDT Scott Hansen wrote: > > >don't know if folks saw this, Nels C. did a short article in PG: > > > >*5. Looper* > >This last pick was almost a tie between the DigiTech Whammy Pedal and th= e > >mention of my antiquated and super-scarce Electro-Harmonix 16 Second > >Digital Delay (which would have been *even more* cheating on my part). I > >use them both all the time. I much prefer the original Whammy (the small= er > >red one) and have had some really aggravating experiences with the newer= , > >"reissue" (the big red one that's not really a reissue at all=97it's jus= t > >red). But I am so lost without my old EH 16 Second. I have used it since > >Bill Frisell showed me his (he is *the master*) back in 1985. It's > >*always*recording, one can drop sounds into the loop > >non-destructively, do reverse > >(everything does reverse these days, but alas), it's small, It's magic. > >It's also rare as hens' teeth, and after writing this column it may be > even > >more difficult to get! Too bad. To me, it's one of the coolest things > ever, > >and I rarely leave home without it. I have tried other things; the nice > >folks at Electro-Harmonix even gave me a wonderful 2880 to mollify me > since > >their "reissue" also wasn't a reissue and didn't do what the old one did > at > >all, and I=92d whined loudly and irritatingly about it. I think it was t= he > >first gratis piece of gear I ever got, and it came with a sweet note fro= m > >Mike Matthews and everything=97amazing! But sadly for me, the EHX 16 Sec= ond > >DD is all I like (try to find one and then try to afford one=97my first = one > I > >got used for $225). It=92s become a part of my playing and my sound, > >especially in my own music (The Nels Cline Singers, et al), and with > >improvisers. > > > >full story: > > > http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/2013/Apr/Nels_Clines_5_Essent= ial_Effects.aspx > > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) --089e01161436150dea04da2ca054 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hah, that would be a great name for a looping pedal wouldn= 't it, THE NELS CLONE

Kevin

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013= at 9:43 AM, Elmer Fuddski <jakebrakesrule@yahoo.com>= wrote:

Nelson Clone? Did he used to play with Genesis?

------------------------------

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:33 AM PDT Scott Hansen wrote:

>don't know if folks saw this, Nels C. did a short article in PG: >

>*5. Looper*

>This last pick was almost a tie between the DigiTech = Whammy Pedal and the
>mention of my antiquated and super-scarce Electro-Harmonix 16 Second
>Digital Delay (which would have been *even more* cheating on my p= art). I

>use them both all the time. I much prefer the origina= l Whammy (the smaller
>red one) and have had some really aggravating experiences with the newe= r,
>"reissue" (the big red one that's not really a reissue at= all=97it's just
>red). But I am so lost without my old EH 16 Second. I have used it sinc= e

>Bill Frisell showed me his (he is *the master*) back in 1985. It&= #39;s
>*always*recording, one can drop sounds into the loop

>non-destructively, do reverse >(everything does reverse these days, but alas), it's small, It'= s magic.
>It's also rare as hens' teeth, and after writing this column it= may be even
>more difficult to get! Too bad. To me, it's one of the coolest thin= gs ever,
>and I rarely leave home without it. I have tried other things; the nice=
>folks at Electro-Harmonix even gave me a wonderful 2880 to mollify me s= ince
>their "reissue" also wasn't a reissue and didn't do w= hat the old one did at
>all, and I=92d whined loudly and irritatingly about it. I think it was = the
>first gratis piece of gear I ever got, and it came with a sweet note fr= om
>Mike Matthews and everything=97amazing! But sadly for me, the EHX 16 Se= cond
>DD is all I like (try to find one and then try to afford one=97my first= one I
>got used for $225). It=92s become a part of my playing and my sound, >especially in my own music (The Nels Cline Singers, et al), and with >improvisers.
>
>full story:
>http://www.premierguitar.c= om/Magazine/Issue/2013/Apr/Nels_Clines_5_Essential_Effects.aspx

--
= Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
= form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.<= br>
- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

--089e01161436150dea04da2ca054-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 18:12:37 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E20F5183510; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 18:12:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=m4mXP1qBRnNcG4IUGUGQgCsd1AgEhH+B5VYM+CNfMv4=; b=wdnRZztqk/l3lmWD0hg7NAxPOkxmOjvGQ+p5bXLrApD/88qRvXUXWsPx6Du0R69vZz wfmbcbMzGXjpiXajtynLBFDFkGzldTI/SGECkQeHNg/yMSQJ/UyrKTO+ddvCQXOxTW3F QkLplbX65rbNivDDWonULDDlErAO2XhEdi7l4O3IStxGE+AI9F962xubR3Iu/7P4HMQ1 XhqhPiSORt0G/1qpwVUbKUe8fiKvFGcqxDmFIVipxZ10FdJ4A/eY4b+q8KXKc9SeQwKK ZHIMClj9hOAd1fxbjOGFT/uKZ4ZUp659f+9gTja38PCeHqfA+Um5lpWKctHM7kwETFBM m8kQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.87.193 with SMTP id ba1mr5851153wib.10.1365790356435; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 11:12:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:12:36 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Nels Cline on his EH16ddl from PG (5 essential effects article) From: John Gilstorf To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444813108a84104da2dd931 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 18:12:37 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0444813108a84104da2dd931 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since you been mailing me ,I decided to send this to you. Im giving you $5.00 just for looking at my site and sign up, You get $5.00 you dont have to do anything else if you dont want ... And if you cant do me this small favor then people get deleted ....Thanks ...John http://www.5forfree.com?a=3DJohn Gilstorf Ill be watching ...... On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Scott Hansen wrote= : > don't know if folks saw this, Nels C. did a short article in PG: > > *5. Looper* > This last pick was almost a tie between the DigiTech Whammy Pedal and the > mention of my antiquated and super-scarce Electro-Harmonix 16 Second > Digital Delay (which would have been *even more* cheating on my part). I > use them both all the time. I much prefer the original Whammy (the smalle= r > red one) and have had some really aggravating experiences with the newer, > "reissue" (the big red one that's not really a reissue at all=97it's just > red). But I am so lost without my old EH 16 Second. I have used it since > Bill Frisell showed me his (he is *the master*) back in 1985. It's *alway= s > * recording, one can drop sounds into the loop non-destructively, do > reverse (everything does reverse these days, but alas), it's small, It's > magic. It's also rare as hens' teeth, and after writing this column it ma= y > be even more difficult to get! Too bad. To me, it's one of the coolest > things ever, and I rarely leave home without it. I have tried other thing= s; > the nice folks at Electro-Harmonix even gave me a wonderful 2880 to molli= fy > me since their "reissue" also wasn't a reissue and didn't do what the old > one did at all, and I=92d whined loudly and irritatingly about it. I thin= k it > was the first gratis piece of gear I ever got, and it came with a sweet > note from Mike Matthews and everything=97amazing! But sadly for me, the E= HX > 16 Second DD is all I like (try to find one and then try to afford one=97= my > first one I got used for $225). It=92s become a part of my playing and my > sound, especially in my own music (The Nels Cline Singers, et al), and wi= th > improvisers. > > full story: > > http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/2013/Apr/Nels_Clines_5_Essent= ial_Effects.aspx > > > --f46d0444813108a84104da2dd931 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Since you been mailing me ,I decided to send this to you. = Im=20 giving you $5.00=A0 just for looking at my site and sign up, You get=20 $5.00=A0 you dont have to do anything else if you dont want ...
And if y= ou cant do me this small favor then people get deleted ....Thanks ...John
http://www.5forfree.com?a=3DJohn Gilstorf

Ill be watching ......

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Scott Hansen <evan= peewee@gmail.com> wrote:

don't know if folk= s saw this, Nels C. did a short article in PG:

5. Looper
This last pick was almost a tie between the DigiTech Whammy Pedal and=20 the mention of my antiquated and super-scarce Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Digital Delay (which would have been even more cheating on my=20 part). I use them both all the time. I much prefer the original Whammy=20 (the smaller red one) and have had some really aggravating experiences=20 with the newer, "reissue" (the big red one that's not really = a reissue=20 at all=97it's just red). But I am so lost without my old EH 16 Second. = I=20 have used it since Bill Frisell showed me his (he is the master) b= ack in 1985. It's always recording, one can drop sounds into the loop non-destructively, do=20 reverse (everything does reverse these days, but alas), it's small, It&= #39;s magic. It's also rare as hens' teeth, and after writing this colum= n it=20 may be even more difficult to get! Too bad. To me, it's one of the=20 coolest things ever, and I rarely leave home without it. I have tried=20 other things; the nice folks at Electro-Harmonix even gave me a=20 wonderful 2880 to mollify me since their "reissue" also wasn'= t a reissue and didn't do what the old one did at all, and I=92d whined loudly and= =20 irritatingly about it. I think it was the first gratis piece of gear I=20 ever got, and it came with a sweet note from Mike Matthews and=20 everything=97amazing! But sadly for me, the EHX 16 Second DD is all I like (try to find one and then try to afford one=97my first one I got used for $225). It=92s become a part of my playing and my sound, especially in my= =20 own music (The Nels Cline Singers, et al), and with improvisers.

full story:
h= ttp://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/2013/Apr/Nels_Clines_5_Essential= _Effects.aspx

--f46d0444813108a84104da2dd931-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 18:31:39 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87584183511; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 18:31:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5o4XBN8SkOXL4G8pJ9aspf3QSi29t7nxp2BWxeLmYYE=; b=kDkP2q9LlFKuwXrgC3Rch5MPsSND86AvYwBj13Tqgtd1FJwmOo061ta/v3rW6J0o+e Qqq76bGDw27W/BZFbHTj438FRbb7PS/jRSWgevEev2m8cWQfmtElVEtAOzVURigYYbqM i2kYcJ9NKf0zfvDhE2F1mdhwCIO1qW1fxa+TaqANyGvYeJVP8YJ+t6LG0gPdW1OcLGdd gPijrEggNmLZhk8O3zEuYbXwz2+auq8Rj5SL2KqJikeW4FODplpFnCwkmWg1tlMMYmn3 x6UYQx8lWbD9ZBNCVZFDhZz+9U4eEZw+aRswTTH8uJnxMpmRsLf+fCNL3CABHdZoVqGz n21g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.72.148 with SMTP id m20mr12950208qaj.24.1365791498906; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 11:31:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:31:38 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Nels Cline on his EH16ddl from PG (5 essential effects article) From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3074d626215d2804da2e1d23 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 18:31:39 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3074d626215d2804da2e1d23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've heard lots of folks praise the original EHX16, but can anyone tell me exactly why it is so praiseworthy? I mean, other than the fact that Bill Frisell has one... Sylvain On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Scott Hansen wrote= : > don't know if folks saw this, Nels C. did a short article in PG: > > *5. Looper* > This last pick was almost a tie between the DigiTech Whammy Pedal and the > mention of my antiquated and super-scarce Electro-Harmonix 16 Second > Digital Delay (which would have been *even more* cheating on my part). I > use them both all the time. I much prefer the original Whammy (the smalle= r > red one) and have had some really aggravating experiences with the newer, > "reissue" (the big red one that's not really a reissue at all=97it's just > red). But I am so lost without my old EH 16 Second. I have used it since > Bill Frisell showed me his (he is *the master*) back in 1985. It's *alway= s > * recording, one can drop sounds into the loop non-destructively, do > reverse (everything does reverse these days, but alas), it's small, It's > magic. It's also rare as hens' teeth, and after writing this column it ma= y > be even more difficult to get! Too bad. To me, it's one of the coolest > things ever, and I rarely leave home without it. I have tried other thing= s; > the nice folks at Electro-Harmonix even gave me a wonderful 2880 to molli= fy > me since their "reissue" also wasn't a reissue and didn't do what the old > one did at all, and I=92d whined loudly and irritatingly about it. I thin= k it > was the first gratis piece of gear I ever got, and it came with a sweet > note from Mike Matthews and everything=97amazing! But sadly for me, the E= HX > 16 Second DD is all I like (try to find one and then try to afford one=97= my > first one I got used for $225). It=92s become a part of my playing and my > sound, especially in my own music (The Nels Cline Singers, et al), and wi= th > improvisers. > > full story: > > http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/2013/Apr/Nels_Clines_5_Essent= ial_Effects.aspx > > > --20cf3074d626215d2804da2e1d23 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I've heard lots of folks praise the original EHX16, bu= t can anyone tell me exactly why it is so praiseworthy? =A0I mean, other th= an the fact that Bill Frisell has one...

Sylvain

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Scott = Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:

don't know if folks saw this, Nels C. did a short= article in PG:

5.= Looper
This last pick was almost a tie between the DigiTech Whammy Pedal and=20 the mention of my antiquated and super-scarce Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Digital Delay (which would have been even more cheating on my=20 part). I use them both all the time. I much prefer the original Whammy=20 (the smaller red one) and have had some really aggravating experiences=20 with the newer, "reissue" (the big red one that's not really = a reissue=20 at all=97it's just red). But I am so lost without my old EH 16 Second. = I=20 have used it since Bill Frisell showed me his (he is the master) b= ack in 1985. It's always recording, one can drop sounds into the loop non-destructively, do=20 reverse (everything does reverse these days, but alas), it's small, It&= #39;s magic. It's also rare as hens' teeth, and after writing this colum= n it=20 may be even more difficult to get! Too bad. To me, it's one of the=20 coolest things ever, and I rarely leave home without it. I have tried=20 other things; the nice folks at Electro-Harmonix even gave me a=20 wonderful 2880 to mollify me since their "reissue" also wasn'= t a reissue and didn't do what the old one did at all, and I=92d whined loudly and= =20 irritatingly about it. I think it was the first gratis piece of gear I=20 ever got, and it came with a sweet note from Mike Matthews and=20 everything=97amazing! But sadly for me, the EHX 16 Second DD is all I like (try to find one and then try to afford one=97my first one I got used for $225). It=92s become a part of my playing and my sound, especially in my= =20 own music (The Nels Cline Singers, et al), and with improvisers.

full story:
h= ttp://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/2013/Apr/Nels_Clines_5_Essential= _Effects.aspx

--20cf3074d626215d2804da2e1d23-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 20:09:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AEA6183511; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 20:09:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 852773321/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.26.155/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.26.155 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAPVoaFFYbRqb/2dsb2JhbAANQ8UfgSKDEwEBAQQ4QBELGAkWDwkDAgECAUUcAbFOk0iPHhaDKwOcdI4r X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.87,465,1363132800"; d="scan'208";a="852773321" Message-ID: <516869F1.9080707@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 21:09:21 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Nels Cline on his EH16ddl from PG (5 essential effects article) References:

In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 20:09:22 +0000 (UTC) Sylvain Poitras wrote: > I've heard lots of folks praise the original EHX16, but can anyone tell > me exactly why it is so praiseworthy? I mean, other than the fact that > Bill Frisell has one... > Sylvain Yes, the info is certainly lacking. I dunnow, I guess people find that sort of article interesting but all that "relatively famous guitarist namechecks gear and other relatively famous guitarists" stuff seems to be a bit pointless. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 20:42:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34A0F183510; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 20:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=BIfTK6kaQlGc+wdIe57DGloq4U7T/IOTb2z97VsDkU0=; b=g/TpiaoTvQkiEiiM54GiUpGdOtbViOJQd7b0G9UyxFaEit5Z7oFYpc9wZ4k2UV6skW /oNDoTa75qqSEZNgpfb/FgWCjPKnn4uN4ChL8k+Jw6qF84y7SGlKT67aTmD/62NEQXJc nrYym7CQgYXK5k9oxdSaawoWROLq+Jirq/KOoGb5vIsvSdVob1NcJCTyZ9nbMDrwvExJ 4wGJ5BntEtHOWHo2q/SdbXiLex4hhnPy7ajOBlsK16Wsp4tyzqeH6a1WTu1YQuXbYRXg K6ms/Ym2bcNpYL3UF8/GuksUtjkE+DQ+ps1uNfFZ1/v9aRxKC91yEmP3ty3JtaY/zWWR Eh4g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.169.71 with SMTP id ac7mr4345798obc.88.1365799369429; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 13:42:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <516869F1.9080707@tiscali.co.uk> References:

<516869F1.9080707@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 13:42:49 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Nels Cline on his EH16ddl from PG (5 essential effects article) From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f6434c63fddfe04da2ff298 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 20:42:50 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f6434c63fddfe04da2ff298 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I haven't tried any of the reissues or all that but I was under the impression that the reason it was such a uniques looper was the fact that you could stretch the loops and get all sorts of really nice textures without artifacts or zipper noises and that you could do all kinds of loop acrobatics to mangle the pitch, tempo, etc in a very unique and musical way that does not seem to be common to modern pedals. The mighty Stanisaur could probably fill us in on more details but I think this one is actually pretty unique and not just a "name" uses it kind of deal. Kevin On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 1:09 PM, andy butler wrote: > > > Sylvain Poitras wrote: > >> I've heard lots of folks praise the original EHX16, but can anyone tell >> me exactly why it is so praiseworthy? I mean, other than the fact that >> Bill Frisell has one... >> Sylvain >> > > Yes, the info is certainly lacking. > > I dunnow, I guess people find that sort of article interesting > but all that "relatively famous guitarist namechecks gear and other > relatively famous guitarists" > stuff seems to be a bit pointless. > > andy > > -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) --e89a8f6434c63fddfe04da2ff298 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I haven't tried any of the reissues or all that but I = was under the impression that the reason it was such a uniques looper was t= he fact that you could stretch the loops and get all sorts of really nice t= extures without artifacts or zipper noises and that you could do all kinds = of loop acrobatics to mangle the pitch, tempo, etc in a very unique and mus= ical way that does not seem to be common to modern pedals.

The mighty Stanisaur could probably fill us in on more detai= ls but I think this one is actually pretty unique and not just a "name= " uses it kind of deal.

Kevin

On Fri,= Apr 12, 2013 at 1:09 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>= wrote:

Sylvain Poitras wrote:

I've heard lots of folks praise the original EHX16, but can anyone tell= me exactly why it is so praiseworthy? =A0I mean, other than the fact that = Bill Frisell has one...
Sylvain

Yes, the info is certainly lacking.

I dunnow, I guess people find that sort of article interesting
but all that "relatively famous guitarist namechecks gear and other re= latively famous guitarists"
stuff seems to be a bit pointless.

andy

-- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have aform. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble= .

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

--e89a8f6434c63fddfe04da2ff298-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 20:58:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAC61183511; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 20:58:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 590 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 20:58:25 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=HzGp8GrF+kXUVsUPLwD2YlNPrwCFtkdibt55JqoXp9JgFa/3I2Ai5BCgUaLfshLZ; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <17291717.1365799714919.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 13:48:34 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Nels Cline on his EH16ddl from PG (5 essential effects article) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48dc9723f6257a8560ab013dc7dae030d85af2f0520a031d2f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.47 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 20:58:25 +0000 (UTC) I doubt there are many who have this pedal-I do and to explain all it does is impossible-maybe due to sliders interacting or the weirdness of 8 bit technology-it just does stuff to audio that nothing else seems to be able to do. there is a good vid on utube of Nels explaining in detail how he uses his-and he only grazes the surface of its depth. IMO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POolx0icXwY&list=FLZsCoiCRHTCwswcL0LM9fkQ&index=43 -----Original Message----- >From: andy butler >Sent: Apr 12, 2013 1:09 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Nels Cline on his EH16ddl from PG (5 essential effects article) > > > >Sylvain Poitras wrote: >> I've heard lots of folks praise the original EHX16, but can anyone tell >> me exactly why it is so praiseworthy? I mean, other than the fact that >> Bill Frisell has one... >> Sylvain > >Yes, the info is certainly lacking. > >I dunnow, I guess people find that sort of article interesting >but all that "relatively famous guitarist namechecks gear and other relatively famous guitarists" >stuff seems to be a bit pointless. > >andy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 23:26:46 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09D7C183517; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 23:26:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=fPGpRSCcEHvYRfnBX6dzF4pmC1AkakPLhot7pH0qDZCgHZAFd6fE60n3t10FV8MJ; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

<516869F1.9080707@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 19:26:37 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Nels Cline on his EH16ddl from PG (5 essential effects article) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-846313293==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec792fa989651dd9daf885d9121076e86b21350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 23:26:45 +0000 (UTC) --============_-846313293==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" The original Electro Harmonix 16 second delay was a very low sample rate 8 bit device. The repeats were attained by recirculating the analog output back into the A/D converter, so the signal would degrade with each repeat. Because of this it created some murky and mysterious textures. Every commercial DDL (digital delay line) after that was an "improvement" in fidelity, but I think that the artifacts of the 16 second delay are the reason it's so highly coveted. I owned the re-issue for a while, and it was certainly fun, but nothing like the original in terms of sound. -CZ > > >Sylvain Poitras wrote: > >I've heard lots of folks praise the original EHX16, but can anyone >tell me exactly why it is so praiseworthy? I mean, other than the >fact that Bill Frisell has one... >Sylvain > -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://albumcredits.com/zmix --============_-846313293==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Nels Cline on his EH16ddl from PG (5 essential effects

The original Electro Harmonix 16 second delay was a very low sample rate 8 bit device. The repeats were attained by recirculating the analog output back into the A/D converter, so the signal would degrade with each repeat. Because of this it created some murky and mysterious textures. Every commercial DDL (digital delay line) after that was an "improvement" in fidelity, but I think that the artifacts of the 16 second delay are the reason it's so highly coveted.

I owned the re-issue for a while, and it was certainly fun, but nothing like the original in terms of sound.

-CZ

Sylvain Poitras wrote:

I've heard lots of folks praise the original EHX16, but can anyone tell me exactly why it is so praiseworthy? I mean, other than the fact that Bill Frisell has one...

Sylvain

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--============_-846313293==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 13 00:36:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE997183511; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 00:36:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=foeE/yEf c=1 sm=1 a=UncmS/Am0Fgh8c8TZh5eWA==:17 a=yGKXt7kljxIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=ndZtdBo3YykA:10 a=eeVPWzBVBA26sDvN2OcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=UncmS/Am0Fgh8c8TZh5eWA==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Subject: Re: Nels Cline on his EH16ddl from PG (5 essential effects article) From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:36:05 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References:

<516869F1.9080707@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Resent-Message-ID: <2MAJBB.A.sWB.2hKaRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 00:36:06 +0000 (UTC) I owned a matched pair of the original EH16s. Bought them when they first came out and sold them to pay for my first = pair of EDPs in 1996. Every now and again I wish I had them again for the humongous = "modulation" effect. It was pretty crazy. On Apr 12, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Charles Zwicky wrote: >=20 > The original Electro Harmonix 16 second delay was a very low sample = rate 8 bit device. The repeats were attained by recirculating the analog = output back into the A/D converter, so the signal would degrade with = each repeat. Because of this it created some murky and mysterious = textures. Every commercial DDL (digital delay line) after that was an = "improvement" in fidelity, but I think that the artifacts of the 16 = second delay are the reason it's so highly coveted. >=20 > I owned the re-issue for a while, and it was certainly fun, but = nothing like the original in terms of sound. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 13 11:58:08 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42BC718350F; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 11:58:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com x-originating-ip: 208.109.97.160 Message-ID: <5169484C.9040201@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 07:58:04 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #836 for April 11, 2013. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 11:58:08 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/gt/playlists/2013/130411.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #836 April 11, 2013. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels?playlist_date=04-11-2013 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Ken Elkinson. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Music for Commuting Volumes 3 - 4" from August Son Productions. http://soundscapes.us/gt/playlists/2013/focus.html#apr PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) VA [Intelligentsia] World Wide Child World Wide Kind 2 (Earth Academy) Mythos Tinba Jttai Surround Sound Evolution (Sireena) AEJOTZ bip AEJOTZ (none) Wendy Carlos Spring * Sonic Seasonings (East Side Digital) Ken Elkinson stephanie seymour Music for Commuting Volumes 3 - 4 (none) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Ken Elkinson serena MfC Vols 3 - 4 (none) Ken Elkinson getting over, or MfC Vols 3 - 4 (none) trying Ken Elkinson (the) tapestry MfC Vols 3 - 4 (none) Ken Elkinson almost MfC Vols 3 - 4 (none) Ken Elkinson snow day MfC Vols 3 - 4 (none) Ken Elkinson the thin veil MfC Vols 3 - 4 (none) Ken Elkinson ascend MfC Vols 3 - 4 (none) Ken Elkinson blue monorail MfC Vols 3 - 4 (none) Ken Elkinson life support MfC Vols 3 - 4 (none) Ken Elkinson abundance MfC Vols 3 - 4 (none) Ken Elkinson daughters MfC Vols 3 - 4 (none) Ken Elkinson john hughes MfC Vols 3 - 4 (none) Ken Elkinson ireland (imagined) MfC Vols 3 - 4 (none) Ken Elkinson solitude MfC Vols 3 - 4 (none) Ken Elkinson chasing twilight MfC Vols 3 - 4 (none) Ken Elkinson kyoto (actual) * MfC Vols 3 - 4 (none) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Ken Elkinson. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Music for Commuting Volumes 5 - 6" from August Son Productions. WDIY Announcement: http://wdiy.org/post/next-galactic-travels-2013-04-18 Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 14 04:23:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83FE41834CB; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 04:23:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=aO7c/TfChQy/DsAxLo713ypPGP59IL8Y61glq7eYQ64=; b=W3nSl3EI/YkvARwq6qBN7HbaITQykTakW0YaRfesv7uNOJKSj31nDf7syyKLWcjrx3 CFegYPuTk1NCg94+PpIPtYqUq3CmgGFKS1Sm+IrnHMfprFZQkAecF6BmTiNIUxHgO+k/ y12VdQynHZ8JSCEXrxLvlANPlJYin3v76pbWTELElXKp8YIf20xojek7Z6SMKUeleNkc xkVoRBk5ILo6xJfZPbJa6pE1zm+JAHGtYAeWkWILGgtkDnuWjRhFS/7Q/EBEkav+pfqf aRJ9OICUwK51lyGeLo1s16gTXqRLfF6v2HCJO0nLjpcxV6vdfC+BGIzSg6ULIrfcOLoa 3BBg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.204.5 with SMTP id ku5mr5970556obc.22.1365913381730; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 21:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 23:23:01 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Nels Cline on his EH16ddl from PG (5 essential effects article) From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1cd3ee9807404da4a7db7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 04:23:02 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8ff1cd3ee9807404da4a7db7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 *re:* I've heard lots of folks praise the original EHX16, but can anyone tell me exactly why it is so praiseworthy? I mean, other than the fact that Bill Frisell has one... Sylvain i had the eh16ddlri for a while a few yrs ago. i'm sort of amazed that frisell and nels sort of say it was so bad. i thought it was pretty amazing. the only thing i didn't like was the input something (that charles z explained to me that he told EH to fix, but the didn't) something w/ the fact that the input of the device wouldn't accept a fuzz level input very well...it took a clean signal fine, but if the signal was clipping, it had trouble... i think the thing that was so amazing about it was the fact that you had CONTROL over all the parameters, and they were VISUAL w/ the sliders...sure, i'm not sure the sliders were the best option, but they are better than NO OPTIONS, which is what the current day phrase samplers seem to be offering folks-NO CONTROL . which just frustrates me. of course i realize that nowadays the main loopers out there want to lay down a 2 min song riff and then play over that, which is not really what the EH16ddl is about...it comes from more of the delay based looping, it only had 16 sec originally (the RI offered more time, i think 4 min-which i never came close to using up). but the key thing it did was allowed you to reverse the loop, play over it, reverse it back, etc...which the boss rc20 units will allow you to do also, BUT, what the 16ddl ALSO has is: you can add modulation to it (chorus)-to muck up your loop, and then to add to the FUN, you can SLOW down the loop or speed it up, to really mess w/ the sound...it allowed you to manipulate the speed and pitch...which the nowadays phrase samplers DO NOT HAVE. it was a great device. i should have kept mine. the thing is, i think EH could take their EH smmh device and make that something similar to the 16ddl and not make it cost a fortune, and just use KNOBS to control the parameters...but they've gone the route of the 2880 or whatever the new # is....that is why it was great. it was the device B frisell was using in the 90s before his digitech pds8000...when you heard him use backwards loops, that's it! s---- --e89a8ff1cd3ee9807404da4a7db7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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I've hea= rd lots of folks praise the original EHX16, but=20 can anyone tell me exactly why it is so praiseworthy? =A0I mean, other=20 than the fact that Bill Frisell has one...

Sylvain

i = had the eh16ddlri for a while a few yrs ago.

i'm sort of = amazed that frisell and nels sort of say it was so bad.

i thought it was pretty amazing. the only thing i didn't like was the i= nput something (that charles z explained to me that he told EH to fix, but = the didn't)

something w/ the fact that the input of the d= evice wouldn't accept a fuzz level input very well...it took a clean si= gnal fine, but if the signal was clipping, it had trouble...

i think the thing that was so amazing about it was the fact that you ha= d CONTROL over all the parameters, and they were VISUAL w/ the sliders...su= re, i'm not sure the sliders were the best option, but they are better = than NO OPTIONS, which is what the current day phrase samplers seem to be o= ffering folks-NO CONTROL . which just frustrates me. of course i realize th= at nowadays the main loopers out there want to lay down a 2 min song riff a= nd then play over that, which is not really what the EH16ddl is about...it = comes from more of the delay based looping, it only had 16 sec originally (= the RI offered more time, i think 4 min-which i never came close to using u= p). but the key thing it did was allowed you to reverse the loop, play over= it, reverse it back, etc...which the boss rc20 units will allow you to do = also, BUT, what the 16ddl ALSO has is: you can add modulation to it (chorus= )-to muck up your loop, and then to add to the FUN, you can SLOW down the l= oop or speed it up, to really mess w/ the sound...it allowed you to manipul= ate the speed and pitch...which the nowadays phrase samplers DO NOT HAVE. <= br>

it was a great device. i should have kept mine. the thing is, i = think EH could take their EH smmh device and make that something similar to= the 16ddl and not make it cost a fortune, and just use KNOBS to control th= e parameters...but they've gone the route of the 2880 or whatever the n= ew # is....that is why it was great. it was the device B frisell was using = in the 90s before his digitech pds8000...when you heard him use backwards l= oops, that's it!
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--e89a8ff1cd3ee9807404da4a7db7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 14 15:49:32 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEF7018350F; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 15:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 432 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 15:49:31 UTC Message-ID: <516ACE56.8000607@theambientping.com> Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 11:42:14 -0400 From: PiNG Reply-To: ping@theambientping.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , Dark Seeds , Drone Deep Chill , Loopers Delight , The Ambient Way Subject: The PiNG presents WHISPER ROOM + BLACK PARADISE + GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020203.516ACE5A.0173,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 15:49:31 +0000 (UTC) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .04.16.13 THE AMBiENT PiNG presents WHISPER ROOM + BLACK PARADISE + GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS @ Supermarket . 268 Augusta Ave . 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 14 16:13:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A768D183511; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 16:13:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=5If4q/1ibJuHb8Z8sUz1zufgf5ywJMObzqbnbyeGHXY=; b=BF1X3FBDj10xMWjCCn/veaWz/lbuRIGq+kV4/RiBF/kMkZiBoEkJFMU88JJtwHOJFF fliK5Xzi9sEnIt+5xwudjL/w/srG9y/OElQJ+SOwO+LXzXAtAZNrvwR4EuW0VoxetZZa 1WDz+p/UTqqMnMhUAbN4umyb0x6FM6LUO2N9rPskfBXukH09jxC23R8mY6G1pWSkyKzF EO7T/wf9DIwmyXv+GJztWHf7vuohCmJbsjf7CLM8h4dBDckF3g7Oo60yKwPFbaAjME9J uIK1mDLdozkptqkrMhGE8aNEiSAPZVXpyCYq/bEf8Xk/ESFuN4efBjzMHGK/Qb0hxQHX pbJQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.157.42 with SMTP id wj10mr2974986wjb.12.1365955998476; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 09:13:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 09:13:18 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Nels Cline on his EH16ddl from PG (5 essential effects article) From: Richard Sales To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0112c512117f4c04da546a4e X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmXb0H8aXIjKOY6AabD51A3hTOoC6178nOAcz+YVutetlbBUyUxWeDz7JRphzLauPor/lhC Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 16:13:19 +0000 (UTC) --089e0112c512117f4c04da546a4e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Watched the Nels Cline vid and liked what I saw... so I thought, well, this is a pretty cool device. Maybe I'll buy one! Then I looked in Ebay. Then I scoured the internet. Rare as hen's teeth!!!! I did find one for $1,600. Holy cow Richard www.glasswing.com On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Scott Hansen wrote: > *re:* > I've heard lots of folks praise the original EHX16, but can anyone tell me > exactly why it is so praiseworthy? I mean, other than the fact that Bill > Frisell has one... > Sylvain > > i had the eh16ddlri for a while a few yrs ago. > i'm sort of amazed that frisell and nels sort of say it was so bad. > i thought it was pretty amazing. the only thing i didn't like was the > input something (that charles z explained to me that he told EH to fix, but > the didn't) > something w/ the fact that the input of the device wouldn't accept a fuzz > level input very well...it took a clean signal fine, but if the signal was > clipping, it had trouble... > > i think the thing that was so amazing about it was the fact that you had > CONTROL over all the parameters, and they were VISUAL w/ the > sliders...sure, i'm not sure the sliders were the best option, but they are > better than NO OPTIONS, which is what the current day phrase samplers seem > to be offering folks-NO CONTROL . which just frustrates me. of course i > realize that nowadays the main loopers out there want to lay down a 2 min > song riff and then play over that, which is not really what the EH16ddl is > about...it comes from more of the delay based looping, it only had 16 sec > originally (the RI offered more time, i think 4 min-which i never came > close to using up). but the key thing it did was allowed you to reverse the > loop, play over it, reverse it back, etc...which the boss rc20 units will > allow you to do also, BUT, what the 16ddl ALSO has is: you can add > modulation to it (chorus)-to muck up your loop, and then to add to the FUN, > you can SLOW down the loop or speed it up, to really mess w/ the sound...it > allowed you to manipulate the speed and pitch...which the nowadays phrase > samplers DO NOT HAVE. > it was a great device. i should have kept mine. the thing is, i think EH > could take their EH smmh device and make that something similar to the > 16ddl and not make it cost a fortune, and just use KNOBS to control the > parameters...but they've gone the route of the 2880 or whatever the new # > is....that is why it was great. it was the device B frisell was using in > the 90s before his digitech pds8000...when you heard him use backwards > loops, that's it! > s---- > -- richard sales www.glasswing.com --089e0112c512117f4c04da546a4e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Watched the Nels Cline vid and liked what I saw... so I th= ought, well, this is a pretty cool device. =A0Maybe I'll buy one!

Then I looked in Ebay. =A0Then I scoured the interne= t.=A0

Rare as hen's teeth!!!!

I did find one for $1,600.= =A0

Holy cow

Richard=

www.glassw= ing.com=A0

On Sat, Apr 13, 201= 3 at 9:23 PM, Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>

re:
I've heard lots of folks praise the original EHX16, = but=20 can anyone tell me exactly why it is so praiseworthy? =A0I mean, other=20 than the fact that Bill Frisell has one...
Sylvain

i = had the eh16ddlri for a while a few yrs ago.
i'm sort of = amazed that frisell and nels sort of say it was so bad.
i thought it was pretty amazing. the only thing i didn't like was the i= nput something (that charles z explained to me that he told EH to fix, but = the didn't)
something w/ the fact that the input of the d= evice wouldn't accept a fuzz level input very well...it took a clean si= gnal fine, but if the signal was clipping, it had trouble...

i think the thing that was so amazing about it was the fact that you ha= d CONTROL over all the parameters, and they were VISUAL w/ the sliders...su= re, i'm not sure the sliders were the best option, but they are better = than NO OPTIONS, which is what the current day phrase samplers seem to be o= ffering folks-NO CONTROL . which just frustrates me. of course i realize th= at nowadays the main loopers out there want to lay down a 2 min song riff a= nd then play over that, which is not really what the EH16ddl is about...it = comes from more of the delay based looping, it only had 16 sec originally (= the RI offered more time, i think 4 min-which i never came close to using u= p). but the key thing it did was allowed you to reverse the loop, play over= it, reverse it back, etc...which the boss rc20 units will allow you to do = also, BUT, what the 16ddl ALSO has is: you can add modulation to it (chorus= )-to muck up your loop, and then to add to the FUN, you can SLOW down the l= oop or speed it up, to really mess w/ the sound...it allowed you to manipul= ate the speed and pitch...which the nowadays phrase samplers DO NOT HAVE. <= br>
it was a great device. i should have kept mine. the thing is, i = think EH could take their EH smmh device and make that something similar to= the 16ddl and not make it cost a fortune, and just use KNOBS to control th= e parameters...but they've gone the route of the 2880 or whatever the n= ew # is....that is why it was great. it was the device B frisell was using = in the 90s before his digitech pds8000...when you heard him use backwards l= oops, that's it!
s----

--
richard sale= s
www.glasswing.com

--089e0112c512117f4c04da546a4e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 14 20:08:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5441A1834CB; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 20:08:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 902 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 20:08:24 UTC X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.234.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:SN2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-BigFish: PS-7(z920Nz9371Ic85dhzz1f42h1fc6h1ee6h1de0h1fdah1202h1e76h1d1ah1d2ahzz17326ah18c673h1954cbh18602eh8275bhz2fh2a8h668h839hd25hf0ah1288h12a5h12bdh137ah1441h1504h1537h153bh15d0h162dh1631h1758h18e1h1946h19b5h19ceh1ad9h1b0ah1bceh1155h) Received-SPF: pass (mail218-ch1: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.234.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.234.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=SN2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: Nels Cline on his EH16ddl from PG (5 essential effects article) Thread-Topic: Nels Cline on his EH16ddl from PG (5 essential effects article) Thread-Index: AQHOOMe/WmBD1Myk+0Om/1bv3e5frZjV5GMAgAA5CWo= Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 19:53:14 +0000 Message-ID: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A778F64288@SN2PRD0410MB384.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.2.130206 x-originating-ip: [173.226.147.242] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A778F64288SN2PRD0410MB384_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 20:08:24 +0000 (UTC) --_000_3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A778F64288SN2PRD0410MB384_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Seems ripe for a software emulation. The comment about it being 8-bit and = feeding back through the A/D converter was interesting. Other than that, j= ust looking at the controls it seems like an ordinary delay with modulation= , feedback, and wet/dry balance, but with a really long delay time. I had= pretty much the same thing with a KORG SDD-1000 but with only 2 seconds. = The half/double speed and reverse are unusual but easy to implement. If= anyone has or remembers one of these I'm curious about what beyond the bas= ic functionality makes these sonically so unique. Jeff ________________________________ From: Richard Sales [richard@glasswing.com] Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 11:13 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Nels Cline on his EH16ddl from PG (5 essential effects article= ) Watched the Nels Cline vid and liked what I saw... so I thought, well, this= is a pretty cool device. Maybe I'll buy one! Then I looked in Ebay. Then I scoured the internet. Rare as hen's teeth!!!! I did find one for $1,600. Holy cow Richard www.glasswing.com --_000_3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A778F64288SN2PRD0410MB384_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <10513A498D77864AAF5423E4AC2DFCF3@namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Seems ripe for a software emulation. The comment about it bein= g 8-bit and feeding back through the A/D converter was interesting. O= ther than that, just looking at the controls it seems like an ordinary delay with modulation, feedback, and wet/dry bal= ance, but with a really long delay time. I had pretty much the same = thing with a KORG SDD-1000 but with only 2 seconds. The half/double = speed and reverse are unusual but easy to implement. If anyone has or remembers one of these I'm curiou= s about what beyond the basic functionality makes these sonically so unique= .

Jeff

From: Richard Sales [richard@glasswing.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 11:13 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Nels Cline on his EH16ddl from PG (5 essential effects = article)

Watched the Nels Cline vid and liked what I saw... so= I thought, well, this is a pretty cool device. Maybe I'll buy one!

Then I looked in Ebay. Then I scoured the inter= net.

Rare as hen's teeth!!!!

I did find one for $1,600.

Holy cow

Richard

www.glasswing.com

--_000_3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A778F64288SN2PRD0410MB384_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 14 20:28:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AD1E183517; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 20:28:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=PwyikRiWF6seVOEGjpnuRTbcWSa2AOQ7u155QJog3h0=; b=PU8opdZbQyZoK/+bnaU1nTi7GP83xzW0Qd5RD3ads/4nYBsHoh0hgaX/3EyKeHchU2 AIJXVym5JALxSEINAooae5311wIUGsSkKJk/lYpX4BHdimUeCCAlAXgMflFpTyQtASvT YnlWBwzZCn4bYM3+PTpJMmSc60kkK7qnRfCZv5btFE915GoqpZPAT0CxJxBEmMdkxPcl lMthCs0EZUvQXecGW+zNzbU7aRp0NzlRNTNGwopi+zCg+yy/LzpPU0QaZDUSs0VTAfyv HwbhNILFIm39NYSmH1mZ/1o7IrBsP5rMTHdHsBBpnv54l3cHseTU5KTRjBdsDzcuQxxP KVjA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.127.115 with SMTP id nf19mr6623106obb.49.1365971298284; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 13:28:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A778F64288@SN2PRD0410MB384.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A778F64288@SN2PRD0410MB384.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 13:28:18 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Nels Cline on his EH16ddl from PG (5 essential effects article) From: Art Simon To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93b593601f97f04da57fa22 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 20:28:19 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93b593601f97f04da57fa22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'd love to see a software emulation. I never had one, so I can't contribute, but hopefully someone else can. On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > Seems ripe for a software emulation. The comment about it being 8-bit > and feeding back through the A/D converter was interesting. Other than > that, just looking at the controls it seems like an ordinary delay with > modulation, feedback, and wet/dry balance, but with a really long delay > time. I had pretty much the same thing with a KORG SDD-1000 but with only > 2 seconds. The half/double speed and reverse are unusual but easy to > implement. If anyone has or remembers one of these I'm curious about > what beyond the basic functionality makes these sonically so unique. > > Jeff > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Richard Sales [richard@glasswing.com] > *Sent:* Sunday, April 14, 2013 11:13 AM > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* Re: Nels Cline on his EH16ddl from PG (5 essential effects > article) > > Watched the Nels Cline vid and liked what I saw... so I thought, well, > this is a pretty cool device. Maybe I'll buy one! > Then I looked in Ebay. Then I scoured the internet. > Rare as hen's teeth!!!! > > I did find one for $1,600. > > Holy cow > > Richard > www.glasswing.com > > > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com --14dae93b593601f97f04da57fa22 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'd love to see a software emulation. I never had one,= so I can't contribute, but hopefully someone else can.

On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at= 12:53 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> w= rote:

Seems ripe f= or a software emulation. =A0The comment about it being 8-bit and feeding ba= ck through the A/D converter was interesting. =A0Other than that, just look= ing at the controls it seems like an ordinary delay with modulation, feedback, and wet/dry bal= ance, but with a really long delay time. =A0 I had pretty much the same thi= ng with a KORG SDD-1000 but with only 2 seconds. =A0 The half/double speed = and reverse are unusual but easy to implement. =A0 =A0If anyone has or remembers one of these I'm curious = about what beyond the basic functionality makes these sonically so unique.

Jeff

From: Richard Sales [richard@glasswing.= com]
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 11:13 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Nels Cline on his EH16ddl from PG (5 essential effects = article)

Watched the Nels Cline vid and liked what I saw... so= I thought, well, this is a pretty cool device. =A0Maybe I'll buy one!<= /font>
Then I looked in Ebay. =A0Then I scoured the internet= .=A0

Rare as hen's teeth!!!!

I did find one for $1,600.=A0

Holy cow

Richard

www.glasswing.com=A0

--
Art Simonsimart@gmail.com=

--14dae93b593601f97f04da57fa22-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 14 20:31:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9450E183511; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 20:31:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=AestPHxWkwBbCNzhsR3S1ISry7SNG8LWwO3R3J32M3V5nqiRPf87D/2fYfgvJDOp; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <2950756.1365971478824.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 13:31:18 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Nels Cline on his EH16ddl from PG (5 essential effects article) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd488a6c8740c9e71bc2e569ecb841c4d4d710ec827ca34601a1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.47 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 20:31:19 +0000 (UTC) one thing I remember doing was-enter a short sound-while entering-w/ one time fader up and one time fader down-switch them as you are putting in sound while moving in and out of fast./slow and forward/backward all in two seconds-then you have sound coming back on itself backwards frontwards slow and fast-it dazzles the imagination...

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Larson
Sent: Apr 14, 2013 12:53 PM
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"
Subject: RE: Nels Cline on his EH16ddl from PG (5 essential effects article)

Seems ripe for a software emulation. The comment about it being 8-bit and feeding back through the A/D converter was interesting. Other than that, just looking at the controls it seems like an ordinary delay with modulation, feedback, and wet/dry balance, but with a really long delay time. I had pretty much the same thing with a KORG SDD-1000 but with only 2 seconds. The half/double speed and reverse are unusual but easy to implement. If anyone has or remembers one of these I'm curious about what beyond the basic functionality makes these sonically so unique.

Jeff

From: Richard Sales [richard@glasswing.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 11:13 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Nels Cline on his EH16ddl from PG (5 essential effects article)

Watched the Nels Cline vid and liked what I saw... so I thought, well, this is a pretty cool device. Maybe I'll buy one!
Then I looked in Ebay. Then I scoured the internet.

Rare as hen's teeth!!!!

I did find one for $1,600.

Holy cow

Richard

www.glasswing.com

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 14:39:18 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5C2818350F; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 14:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=EG8d/MbtMhHYcnUuOFggDdEGW5iqX6zPbqW56lmpFz8=; b=K5F0zRCSt8AspFbcd0t3bzstJZKleG381s985zVw3TtwxEq/8m9DlMGtBlHmmo9mOa ITFjI9a7Oo2Ku2+a2kRTJ0Im9YRbTmjPACdhZJ/Xxsnma6U777L0oRxiP9HyejomMlY0 TaJiwpj1ZVrNEsGeUKCcXbcKJzfOuDa4OI2H6NvEus0IElIjvVNrVhAlNGodLd3wgcxd VVjJa1QI4WOVFt1GZCFYrv4wU0S/BJMsg2VNGCdLyAfc+4x53P+UuvtntwNcM2+Dk9zD XqlfBq0HxLt0Ww19Qtsb6CGsQKcyDGFKwtOTxFtt4yh0VZkxu8Wk1icpOPv0xjtAgNWj kwrw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.171.99 with SMTP id at3mr3628724obc.25.1366036757982; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 07:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:39:17 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Nels Cline on his EH16ddl from PG (5 essential effects article) From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1cf86b5b92e04da673760 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 14:39:18 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8ff1cf86b5b92e04da673760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 it's not really just an "ordinary delay". show me a delay that can go fwd or reverse, and then be able to modulate the time and speed and get all kinds of crazy sounds...most of the delays that i've tried when you manipulate the speed knob it usually does NOTHING (the digitech dl8 just sort of warps it in an odd way, which i've just gotten used to....but the material in the delay is sort of lost). in regards to the digitech pds8000-digitech (8 sec delay)--i was told by a tech at digitech that the chip that made the pds8000 unique is no longer made. to my ear it does what nothing else can. i think the problem nowadays is that people want LONGER TIMES, STORAGE TIMES, etc the korg SDD units, are so popular b/c it's what the edge used back in the 80s/90s. yea, the cost of the original eh16ddl are pretty out of control. remember we're talking a unit that's from early 80s...bill frisell's broke, hence he went to the pds8000...and from what i've heard, those original units are selling in the $1600 range. OUCH!!! when i had my eh16ddlREISSUE (can't remember it if was 2 or 3 yrs ago). i bought mine on ebay for like $220, and actually i lucked out, b/c i was outbid...but the top bidder flaked out on the seller, and the seller contacted me a few days later and asked if i wanted it. so i jumped on that opportunity. i was an idiot for selling it, i think i sold it for exactly what i bought it for. i have seen a few REISSUES for sale lately, one i saw was in the $340 range. wow! i'm sure it'll keep going up.... like i said, i wish EH would make the EHssmh more of a delay-based looper, instead of relying on the 2880 unit....oh well. i can dream. s--- re:Seems ripe for a software emulation. The comment about it being 8-bit and feeding back through the A/D converter was interesting. Other than that, just looking at the controls it seems like an ordinary delay with modulation, feedback, and wet/dry balance, but with a really long delay time. I had pretty much the same thing with a KORG SDD-1000 but with only 2 seconds. The half/double speed and reverse are unusual but easy to implement. If anyone has or remembers one of these I'm curious about what beyond the basic functionality makes these sonically so unique. --e89a8ff1cf86b5b92e04da673760 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

it's not reall= y just an "ordinary delay". show me a delay that can go fwd or re= verse, and then be able to modulate the time and speed and get all kinds of= crazy sounds...most of the delays that i've tried when you manipulate = the speed knob it usually does NOTHING (the digitech dl8 just sort of warps= it in an odd way, which i've just gotten used to....but the material i= n the delay is sort of lost).

in regards to the digitech pds8000-digitech (8 sec delay)--i was told= by a tech at digitech that the chip that made the pds8000 unique is no lon= ger made.

to my ear it does what nothing else can. i think the pro= blem nowadays is that people want LONGER TIMES, STORAGE TIMES, etc

the korg SDD units, are so popular b/c it's what the edge use= d back in the 80s/90s.

yea, the cost of the original eh16ddl a= re pretty out of control. remember we're talking a unit that's from= early 80s...bill frisell's broke, hence he went to the pds8000...and f= rom what i've heard, those original units are selling in the $1600 rang= e. OUCH!!!

when i had my eh16ddlREISSUE (can't remember it if was 2 or 3 yrs= ago). i bought mine on ebay for like $220, and actually i lucked out, b/c = i was outbid...but the top bidder flaked out on the seller, and the seller = contacted me a few days later and asked if i wanted it. so i jumped on that= opportunity.

i was an idiot for selling it, i think i sold it for exactly what i b= ought it for.

i have seen a few REISSUES for sale lately, one i sa= w was in the $340 range. wow! i'm sure it'll keep going up....

like i said, i wish EH would make the EHssmh more of a delay-base= d looper, instead of relying on the 2880 unit....oh well. i can dream.
s= ---

re:Seems r= ipe for a software emulation. =A0The comment about it being 8-bit=20 and feeding back through the A/D converter was interesting. =A0Other than= =20 that, just looking at the controls it seems like an ordinary delay with modulation, feedback, and wet/dry=20 balance, but with a really long delay time. =A0 I had pretty much the same thing with a KORG SDD-1000 but with only 2 seconds. =A0 The half/double=20 speed and reverse are unusual but easy to implement. =A0 =A0If anyone has or remembers one of these I'm curious = about what beyond the basic functionality makes these sonically so unique.

--e89a8ff1cf86b5b92e04da673760-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 15:47:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1C7118350F; Tue, 16 Apr 2013 15:47:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 855060.90648.bm@omp1023.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1366127233; bh=9w+O/0K1gQLiJaVUsnFXZpmxAHon4X4CjjLP5GMGd3k=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YKXCXls1SonNommTp4DonDWZs0Asi59wceHMvbTqphP2rjihIYOxzij75Cd6bnHxg23tDVJE+KepzvtAJaoGovTGWYDIbJ3e7knZ+t6nsYHkLwDvb8eqAlkYzRB2IMjYWeoGE4bbcvVrW4lg4lCFC2PmRjRf4msFonq4XzFpygQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1pt1XhB081/QIhHiQXVOxjQBnY7c1Ax0sA5b68sgcokUXZgZuamJ6/Dqc6OZo6G5oiQ7E7fRa3aIAO2pGTbxq6joywHAQdDs5mDo5SfMn6aarhUQuGaRm5E+6xba3iWMGyt4NI/OkZW7RFENH2yv1FvXWLAykYMWNkqMEdCNeNc=; X-YMail-OSG: dAPx03EVM1lsYQ3TziMnPpG6wPKeVd0MuKumJ1it80cxV4i ydRpIKWa.3HXoCwDAAgPC2X4EQbXPGhI2Znf7p07z01hUpDwHPU.7raOSiSg ZPcF5gPEoCNaFeabFiNib70jCyTuzZuJYvneOS.y6If1mh_pnIAwYJEVAEC1 pGbw_eK_7cIWddpevVZyJAP7GAlstCDJj7yfxFlfJ1EpfXHT89UCCIGfihvL zI2hc4k5K_Mh8RYcQTD7SWHt2.36kruj2VuhMB__CgaWRkUKN7vzLgx26gLD pTn4UJ9CgWEWYiFobYGuOWdjv0L2CVzYEHoSOdMt5aD9Sv6L0WHr8pORBuVo rAzl6CX7g1CnTczxiB2zm8IgYFO..GeRBXD0tChziq7SCH_0sak5AFZfpGLT IxL_17WzEsrTQ0u1l8MzSVd_k_.ZutsvCegjwMaKHanXn8Mah2Pp2t_q4WIz ZxEY5FiIVh49PZHzRIl3nEwdaMZFiwMlfDAPyiME9wxIG9YCas3waGZTfRal .kJTC9mwUclX.n7Xz84G.ZFViE2M504kUdW7.CPMEPBerdKyG4eYMlu_m61u DK8WdGrFRgphZfAiO2Nx6UN1zJu9WA3ui0vAc4gDHKNk- X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,aGV5IGdhbmcgaW0gc2VsbGluZyBteSBFdmVudGlkZSBURiBsb29wZXIgZGVsYXkgbW9kZWxlcixpcyBpbiBwZXJmZWN0IGNvbmRpdGlvbix2ZXJ5IGxpdHRsZSB1c2Ugd2l0aCB0aGUgbGF0ZXN0IGZpcm13YXJlCml0IGNvbWVzIHdpdGggb3JpZ2luYWwgYm94LG1hbnVhbHMgZXRjLgpleGNlcHQgcG93ZXIgc3VwcGx5IHRoYXQgaSBwb3dlcmVkIGl0IHdpdGggbXkgQ2lva3MgcG93ZXIgYmxvY2sKaWYgYW55Ym9keSBpcyBpbnRlcmVzdGVkIGxldCBtZSBrbm93CmNoZWVycwpMdWlzCgrCoApodHRwOi8vd3d3Lm0BMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.140.532 Message-ID: <1366127233.63791.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 08:47:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Reply-To: Luis Angulo Subject: Eventide timefactor delay for sale europe To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-985778932-1340886234-1366127233=:63791" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 15:47:14 +0000 (UTC) ---985778932-1340886234-1366127233=:63791 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hey gang im selling my Eventide TF looper delay modeler,is in perfect condi= tion,very little use with the latest firmware=0Ait comes with original box,= manuals etc.=0Aexcept power supply that i powered it with my Cioks power bl= ock=0Aif anybody is interested let me know=0Acheers=0ALuis=0A=0A=A0=0Ahttp:= //www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ---985778932-1340886234-1366127233=:63791 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

hey gang i= m selling my Eventide TF looper delay modeler,is in perfect condition,very = little use with the latest firmware

it comes with or= iginal box,manuals etc.

except power supply that i = powered it with my Cioks power block

if anybody is i= nterested let me know

cheers

Luis

http://www.myspace.com/luisan= gulocom

---985778932-1340886234-1366127233=:63791-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 18:13:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34BAD18350E; Tue, 16 Apr 2013 18:13:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=bx2V9bbhDbqaeIHwcTvIj0LXSNgV2l8phZP8NZKC/Z0=; b=PjlYA6+4WHUXM2FOtlN+i0jLAx27o7Elijxh2LlrHrpXB77K8MZZLPpXvcveSGReMG h7OMyQPzZ1v8oaIsxyOU7pDk7ACypwt5Ix3pp8yJ0piA1ijaTn27r7kCu6M9mInQxETc BgYi8kOJMSwEJr8kmB0AJ8mAhvFLGXu1/qxbgogHI/h47i8ofmkIKvRRKvFw0xKylQRR wcSOgaWkpbXEVINbwdtIQcszsfMbpWrZjmKQKcJIYbfWwr4wAsSk6wtimPs12X0MECJJ Sci8gJwJhrTsOk0HZZrz5xZsV6T+lbpSDXpj3IwHmRKGh420Eeh7i/lDyTFtU8yWfqzq IOIA== X-Received: by 10.112.173.225 with SMTP id bn1mr1945272lbc.92.1366135980821; Tue, 16 Apr 2013 11:13:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Steven Clements Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 12:12:20 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: roland rc-505 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c33e4eda130f04da7e511e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 18:13:02 +0000 (UTC) --001a11c33e4eda130f04da7e511e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable $599 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/RC505 On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Scott Hansen wrote: > > ouch, $800, i bit out of my range...i didn't think it would be cheap w/ > the 5 loop options....oh well.... > > > > re: > From MUSIKMESSE 2013 news "The RC-505 should be available in June with an > RRP of =C2=A3529" @ $800US > > > On 04/04/13, Scott Hansen wrote: > > i'll have to read the specs more closely. but this looks promising. > i just wish there was a SPEED KNOB to adjust the speed of the loop. that > would be AWESOME! > but i guess the 5 loops and that it's hand operated, for me makes it > interesting.... > wonder what the price will be? > probably out of my range for now....i'm sure... > oh well...nice to see something new put out... > s--- > > > --001a11c33e4eda130f04da7e511e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
$599

ht= tp://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/RC505

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Scott Hansen &= lt;evanpeewee@gma= il.com> wrote:

ouch, $800, = i bit out of my range...i didn't think it would be cheap w/ the 5 loop = options....oh well....

re:
From MUSIKMESSE 2013 news "The RC-505 sho= uld be available in June with an RRP of =C2=A3529" @ $800US

=C2=A0
=C2=A0
On 04/04/13, Scott Hansen<evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:=
=C2=A0

i'll have to read the specs more closely. but this = looks promising.
i just wish there was a SPEED KNOB to adjust the = speed of the loop. that would be AWESOME!
but i guess the 5 loops = and that it's hand operated, for me makes it interesting....
wonder what the price will be?
probably out of my range for now...= .i'm sure...
oh well...nice to see something new put out...
s---

--001a11c33e4eda130f04da7e511e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 18:18:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69BFA18350F; Tue, 16 Apr 2013 18:18:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=3IiArHRhvdZc1X35gSj1nvliDpi9zCTerO89ryUp5H4=; b=L1oUvQngNRwyg2BOoHhB6aWj5kSzVIzAep0UZq2L9DEPWDSWA959AhPgzl26wb96ML Rh8ig9U/CdQUcLEG+l1dX+85LG67f7xvXRvlZDluvv4Rhdi6nxpS+a5b+UWlPq/yylWK xqgPZfCPqtRVXpTDdnTQ9f7vpqxm9mzOMdm5w7tMLKUxztqbXkaoZH+BvU+cEgGrNELK R/nMkCIWqRpTWYWMVKSN3YTI70Jm1klm/hOtTVylQBkzzURCzSDrAXTfh0vHAEYnlSZ1 eLEiLtJrDzM/VgUl5c8YK/uk221VJ4+265/DUuKfxJ7LzBYqB9YBxJx8vdEqxoYwmImL /m1w== X-Received: by 10.112.129.170 with SMTP id nx10mr1937965lbb.81.1366136338198; Tue, 16 Apr 2013 11:18:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5162D9F4.50708@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20130406142849.648334yygl4k2ttd@webmail.musetrap.com> <516140AB.5000704@tiscali.co.uk> <51616F5F.9040107@tiscali.co.uk>

<5162C037.5050108@tiscali.co.uk> <5162D9F4.50708@tiscali.co.uk> From: Steven Clements Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 12:18:18 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New user of Ableton seeks help using it to replace loop pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b3a85c227373d04da7e67c9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 18:18:59 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b3a85c227373d04da7e67c9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 pretty please... :) I've not tried using LIVE's looping features but it would be interesting to see how others use it. Do you use a FCB1010 for triggering? Steve *** * *Visualize Whirled Peas ** * On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 8:53 AM, andy butler wrote: > > > Philip Conway wrote: > >> What's the problem with Live's midi routing? >> > > While it's possible to route midi to a plugin on a track it's > not intuitive. ..and then when the midi gets to your plugin it's all > changed to Channel 1 > > I do have a HOWTO for sending midi to a plugin on an Ableton track, > (compiled with Per's help). If anyone needs that just ask. > > > > > > > > Also, why would one have to mime the first loop? Not doubting you, just >> not sure what you mean! >> > > The Ableton looper doesn't let you set the tempo by tapping in the loop. > Workaround is to pre-record a first layer that works as a click track. > > Consequently, miming the first loop is not unheard of. > > > > Per Boysen wrote: > > But isn't that a bit over the top in this discussion answering a >> person that wants to replace a Roland looping pedal with Ableton Live? >> > > probably > >> There's no such nifty MIDI routing at all on those pedals! :-) >> > > but midi control is usually needed for software looping... yes? > > > > andy > > > --047d7b3a85c227373d04da7e67c9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable pretty please... :)

I've not tried using LIVE's looping feat= ures but it would be interesting to see how others use it.

Do you us= e a FCB1010 for triggering?

Steve

Visualize Whirled Peas

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 8:53 AM, andy but= ler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

Philip Conway wrote:

What's the problem with Live's midi routing?

While it's possible to route midi to a plugin on a track it's
not intuitive. ..and then when the midi gets to your plugin it's all ch= anged to Channel 1

I do have a HOWTO for sending midi to a plugin on an Ableton track,
(compiled with Per's help). If anyone needs that just ask.

Also, why would one have to mime the first loop? =C2=A0Not doubting you, ju= st not sure what you mean!

The Ableton looper doesn't let you set the tempo by tapping in the loop= .
Workaround is to pre-record a first layer that works as a click track.

Consequently, miming the first loop is not unheard of.

Per Boysen wrote:

But isn't that a bit over the top in this discussion answering a
person that wants to replace a Roland looping pedal with Ableton Live?

probably

There's no such nifty MIDI routing at all on those pedals! :-)

but midi control is usually needed for software looping... yes?

andy

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<5162C037.5050108@tiscali.co.uk> <5162D9F4.50708@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 11:29:30 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New user of Ableton seeks help using it to replace loop pedals From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e011776ebd72d7c04da7e8cc4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 18:29:31 +0000 (UTC) --089e011776ebd72d7c04da7e8cc4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just started using the Looper in Live and its pretty simple to use. I trigger it with an FCB 1010 programmed to send Note values with feedback and speed to the pedals. You can set the quantization to none, global or what not and also tell it how many bars to record (or none). With one level of undo and nothing beyond basic overdub its pretty simple but I find it works pretty well. Any specific questions? Kevin On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Steven Clements wrote: > pretty please... :) > > I've not tried using LIVE's looping features but it would be interesting > to see how others use it. > > Do you use a FCB1010 for triggering? > > Steve > *** > * > *Visualize Whirled Peas > ** * > > > > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 8:53 AM, andy butler wrote: > >> >> >> Philip Conway wrote: >> >>> What's the problem with Live's midi routing? >>> >> >> While it's possible to route midi to a plugin on a track it's >> not intuitive. ..and then when the midi gets to your plugin it's all >> changed to Channel 1 >> >> I do have a HOWTO for sending midi to a plugin on an Ableton track, >> (compiled with Per's help). If anyone needs that just ask. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Also, why would one have to mime the first loop? Not doubting you, just >>> not sure what you mean! >>> >> >> The Ableton looper doesn't let you set the tempo by tapping in the loop. >> Workaround is to pre-record a first layer that works as a click track. >> >> Consequently, miming the first loop is not unheard of. >> >> >> >> Per Boysen wrote: >> >> But isn't that a bit over the top in this discussion answering a >>> person that wants to replace a Roland looping pedal with Ableton Live? >>> >> >> probably >> >>> There's no such nifty MIDI routing at all on those pedals! :-) >>> >> >> but midi control is usually needed for software looping... yes? >> >> >> >> andy >> >> >> > -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) --089e011776ebd72d7c04da7e8cc4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I just started using the Looper in Live and its pretty sim= ple to use. =A0I trigger it with an FCB 1010 programmed to send Note values= with feedback and speed to the pedals. =A0You can set the quantization to = none, global or what not and also tell it how many bars to record (or none)= . =A0With one level of undo and nothing beyond basic overdub its pretty sim= ple but I find it works pretty well.

Any specific questions?

Kevin

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Steven Clements <= sdclements@gmail.= com> wrote:

pretty please... :)

I've not trie= d using LIVE's looping features but it would be interesting to see how = others use it.

Do you use a FCB1010 for triggering?

Steve

Visualize Whirled Peas

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 8:53 AM, andy but= ler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

Philip Conway wrote:

What's the problem with Live's midi routing?

While it's possible to route midi to a plugin on a track it's
not intuitive. ..and then when the midi gets to your plugin it's all ch= anged to Channel 1

I do have a HOWTO for sending midi to a plugin on an Ableton track,
(compiled with Per's help). If anyone needs that just ask.

Also, why would one have to mime the first loop? =A0Not doubting you, just = not sure what you mean!

The Ableton looper doesn't let you set the tempo by tapping in the loop= .
Workaround is to pre-record a first layer that works as a click track.

Consequently, miming the first loop is not unheard of.

Per Boysen wrote:

But isn't that a bit over the top in this discussion answering a
person that wants to replace a Roland looping pedal with Ableton Live?

probably

There's no such nifty MIDI routing at all on those pedals! :-)

but midi control is usually needed for software looping... yes?

andy

--
= Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
= form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.<= br>
- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

--089e011776ebd72d7c04da7e8cc4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 18:24:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F16B41834CB; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 18:24:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=p3524UuTvAbYB/lj6wM3wjkAA2Lv+QbtSbCZVt0PP44=; b=MOW6vQAR02DZuesQZo2PLH9yQe9KE/gWmqCexSTWL2jNN47ZDMn1kwcbepJkAl20l3 1V4r7b5SOQ9IAdQ/WZOpOalk/mhkZYOukbNrlAP456GuIP9+IqmN+1Z516XR5qrROHq1 KQYLTAVH3rwwCKrZSH2f3JJ87q/e2MTYav554kwULFHaNKoHLxt+it6YWrsRo2tDCAJS ppBGAW//TH2FCkAgeZBIzQdpt5ZeH7PUV1Hq01qNayARlEr0WQ1nHXH6s5huVomRIUFS zjdteGM2rC+UpHz+V3KseCAhvS6sm4W1tnYR3HXksulET24GwwaHY55dQ+RdLSCUelf5 TD4A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.154.14 with SMTP id m14mr5782771vcw.21.1366223098382; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:24:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:24:58 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: roland rc-505 From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043d64af768edb04da929a85 Resent-Message-ID: <861IPB.A.D-G.6jubRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 18:24:58 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043d64af768edb04da929a85 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Like the Korg Microsampler (which is missing a pitch wheel), it looks like they didn't bother talking to anyone in their core audience, and once again assumed that all looping musicians are beatboxers. Unless it's one of the on-board fx, the lack of a pitch/time knob on this is kind of a dealbreaker for me. Other than that, it looks somewhat foot-friendly, even though it's intended to be a hand-pedal. A bare foot or socked foot could probably operate the start/stop controls and volume knobs. --=20 Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com New bandcamp page: http://mattdavignon.bandcamp.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Steven Clements wro= te: > > $599 > > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/RC505 > > > > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Scott Hansen wrote= : > >> >> ouch, $800, i bit out of my range...i didn't think it would be cheap w/ >> the 5 loop options....oh well.... >> >> >> >> re: >> From MUSIKMESSE 2013 news "The RC-505 should be available in June with a= n >> RRP of =A3529" @ $800US >> >> >> On 04/04/13, Scott Hansen wrote: >> >> i'll have to read the specs more closely. but this looks promising. >> i just wish there was a SPEED KNOB to adjust the speed of the loop. that >> would be AWESOME! >> but i guess the 5 loops and that it's hand operated, for me makes it >> interesting.... >> wonder what the price will be? >> probably out of my range for now....i'm sure... >> oh well...nice to see something new put out... >> s--- >> >> >> > --f46d043d64af768edb04da929a85 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Like the Korg Microsampler (which is missing a pitch wheel), it looks like = they didn't bother talking to anyone in their core audience, and once a= gain assumed that all looping musicians are beatboxers.

Unless it&#= 39;s one of the on-board fx, the lack of a pitch/time knob on this is kind = of a dealbreaker for me.

Other than that, it looks somewhat foot-friendly, even though it's = intended to be a hand-pedal. A bare foot or socked foot could probably oper= ate the start/stop controls and volume knobs.

--
Matt Davignon<= br> mattdavignon@gm= ail.com
New bandcamp page: http://mattdavignon.bandcamp.com
Podcast! http://ribosome= matt.podomatic.com

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Steven= Clements <sdclements@gmail.com> wrote:

$599

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/RC505

On Mon= , Apr 8, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:

ouch, $800, = i bit out of my range...i didn't think it would be cheap w/ the 5 loop = options....oh well....

re:
From MUSIKMESSE 2013 news "The RC-505 sho= uld be available in June with an RRP of =A3529" @ $800US

=A0
=A0
On 04/04/13, Scott Hansen<evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:
= =A0

i'll have to read the specs more closely. but this = looks promising.
i just wish there was a SPEED KNOB to adjust the = speed of the loop. that would be AWESOME!
but i guess the 5 loops = and that it's hand operated, for me makes it interesting....
wonder what the price will be?
probably out of my range for now...= .i'm sure...
oh well...nice to see something new put out...
s---

--f46d043d64af768edb04da929a85-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 18:36:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7929E18350F; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 18:36:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at d2.hostbaby.com From: john floridis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:36:31 -0600 Subject: Boomerang 3 Still Available To: Delight Loopers Message-Id: <5F01B6F3-3CF9-4B41-AD88-4EAE1C267D39@johnfloridis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 $1503$) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 18:36:35 +0000 (UTC) Hello everyone, just wanted to mention again that I'm still looking to = sell a virtually new Boomerang 3. I'd like to get $375, but I'll listen = to offers. I'd rather it go to "a good home" here than put it up on the = usual lists. JF= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 22:35:15 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D815183511; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 22:35:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 307 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 22:35:15 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to :subject:content-type; s=smtpout; bh=08OpIGxYCFJZCYoYaCI48r9Dk1w =; b=t5pxxYk13JruLCLXq33PI83sXkcLn+XEgUZLgEmCxup0pAU29QX+az1S5gV o4WVUHLCJAcIyx11iYs6yXknd2kG9xl+9SZCnq0Ktg0WxS+moVaS9QiWh/I8+RsE Tq1KlgJUk8CLFa3AHVRkQ9A5nA62XE6r+io2K3TguPWA7SJ8= X-Sasl-enc: 3TVDuxFiFjweR4Chlx7u5TQ4el1a/GwkWEQbr5NIIrKp 1366237807 Message-ID: <516F226B.5070201@pobox.com> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:30:03 -0700 From: Rob Campbell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight

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