From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 02:11:08 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3D55183475; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 02:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=LALOP1/cjXg+dMv/PAhz+ae6aYP/9NvTqf1cQrIm4LI=; b=IGN7IGtlPyqKtmZ8zKFuo4kHqr2yhkqWaQiP7OYx2U5hVf/CvEJwgxGfc+buJ/EUlS Qe2JCWghjanocRxdT8UqL8Xbv2G4rCzfUHApJ/Ua6COH7Z+K4UOBrHv2SqHlOOqeLouF XKyiC8AL9YSzaMPw0iTt3eB65lul8BWHfULmZ0OVutU7QYrJtFkc9GcJtrClKnNan1Ru BfP/VCuBZ0Ekxw/hss8CNSBJJBEmIF4m40LWl6XaOOBHKR1WRLaS8lD/WjS5RDtvZEwh uvhvvXOlbH7Rlf5gxq8cIk2UmMGe1HobfS0H52/DwWc8syrTwQ4kWL79C/OZzRFA2WN7 0H5Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20121231225102.6534.12846.levelstar.mail@everest> References: <20121231225102.6534.12846.levelstar.mail@everest> From: Steven Clements Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 19:10:27 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sweet mother of god...c'mon To: Tyler Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efe2fe285b62404d230a4b3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 02:11:08 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4efe2fe285b62404d230a4b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 my VCR is flashing 12:00 WTF?!?!? you LOOPERS are to blame On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Tyler wrote: > Email loopers-delight-request at loopers-delight.com and put the word > unsubscribe in both the subject and the body. Just like when you > subscribed, except type > unsubscribe. And you must type it in both the subject and the body. > Tyler Z > On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 12:19:43 -0800, Christopher Clark wrote: > > > >I wrote two nice emails before to no avail. > > > >Please remove this email address form the distro list. > --e0cb4efe2fe285b62404d230a4b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable my VCR is flashing 12:00

WTF?!?!?

you LOOPERS are to blame
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Tyler <programmer651@comcast.net> wrote:
Email loopers-delight-request at loopers-delight.com and p= ut the word
unsubscribe in both the subject and the body. Just like when you subscribed= , except type
unsubscribe. And you must type it in both the subject and the body.
Tyler Z
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 12:19:43 -0800,= Christopher Clark wrote:


>I wrote two nice emails before to no avail.
>
>Please remove this email address form the distro list.

--e0cb4efe2fe285b62404d230a4b3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 07:55:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBE65183474; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 07:55:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject :message-id:date:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=uTN8KqkU100hiGAE1pU4699Bbdc+x28k5vl14muxqVo=; b=uiqN08kcYi0iknRHdC4JXCQCFhGDym7aS7PMnY+qptGR8bqxQQDgBQ2stfjtTfS5fG lM1CoHvGSo0Rbll9+F3s32h5m/ncUZvKgv3hiF1h7eZW8XzaLWAl/GVOly21MxfpIVtm tXnnTvrqGz0ZcITtPuxpux6ffg/lpMnYSZaf2QdqGzmDFVBll07bVu0jw0/Jixi/AIu5 f0ap41XSi6UXm3nUd4pkvxc3nYXEpdclE/n5cSRKrTiArABN4LLpWsPMEjNQEMq6ZuEi E14vIqNh0khDGqx1bqiwaEqoS1cFG1Lk7Z/D4xpXt4942FP80sFN21C/AqpHbVDEL7Pl 5mFA== X-Received: by 10.60.31.68 with SMTP id y4mr24724068oeh.121.1357026925274; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 23:55:25 -0800 (PST) From: Philip Clevenger Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Another New Years Message Message-Id: Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 23:55:21 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 07:55:25 +0000 (UTC) Happy New Year to all the folks on this list - thanks for all the info = and insight, patience, brainpower, conversation and everything=85 my = year was made immeasurably better for having this list in my daily brain = feed :) It's been fun meeting many of you at the Y2K events too - hopefully I'll = get to meet more of you in 2013. Cheers to all,=20 Phil :)= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 13:26:13 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BD6A183475; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 13:26:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 145196 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 01 Jan 2013 13:26:13 UTC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 14:26:11 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <3B0B88FC-D9A0-431D-9C69-79EB61E4AA58@carlsonarts.com> Message-ID: <20130101132611.11420@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20121230210614.40470@gmx.net> <50E10548.70706@cruzio.com> <20121231120717.23530@gmx.net> <3B0B88FC-D9A0-431D-9C69-79EB61E4AA58@carlsonarts.com> Subject: Re: Music Notation symbols for loops? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX198RB8wrsZ8RIuYVhv+MJBMJdllAV+KdoiY2ryBmf Ox/coqGawhADP3d0PXRqp7f/i4+8PBa/N/HA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: pIaQcBJleSEqash4kHUhCUd+IGRvb4A+ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 13:26:13 +0000 (UTC) Thanks all for your comments. This seems to sort of validate that there is not a common standard notation for "Ableton clips" in sheet music / lead sheet. Michael's comment was closest to what I had in mind practically. So, I might stick to using i.e. 2-bar repeat symbols or other stuff I find convenient. Thanks again - and all the best in the New Year! Buzap From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 15:14:07 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AEE4183474; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 15:14:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=r+tHrQF8d6V4IvsKLmVld+rni5qbbs/NbodwDqXWKvI=; b=kx/pmxAL8+aTcg95rHhs8fllyxd2uPKX6p+dPgt+HYBhvfHA2oyrWcc3zsB2jB4dDh RNJ/S/v7xeQdXslc94AH1ncbQQ7N8ixwycvLGiZ/3YKPAGnthJcTSsWy9mWUaOF6xrFK SMzTJiBrkCVqlVmC5LWJqhMsg0xTGnzIMfmlCQaEI6M+cQkqv88/wdVX11GALJRE/Jkc yXUq+OC27KJn0TYbztZwm3Sp1MwUgmFRd1GixylTc5wW1EtAj2Wo95yTpsvGYFfipOLu j2TrO/5JDFtWz1HCnW1b8ya7iwOFi9xj1mckOTDK3k0G2RJglVw1f3NJyaVS407scf35 LX4Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 16:14:06 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Infinity Looper + Axe-Fx II looper added to my looper comparison chart From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 15:14:07 +0000 (UTC) Hi Friends, A while back I uploaded to share a chart I made for comparing my favorite functions in loopers. Now I just updated my chart with two more units: the Infinity Looper by Pigtronix and the Fractal Audio Systems Axe-Fx II that actually is a rack mountable guitar preamp with effects that include a quite decent looper block at preset level (not global looper positioning) http://looproom.com/looperchart.php Please remember that this is not a public information service or a commercial support aid - it's just my personal sharing of what I think is useful knowledge to have at hand. Anyone is free to snag the chart data as it is. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 15:18:07 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 495EA18347C; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 15:18:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=n+jPJfoQqoTQRf4SpbplPdS7lMUN5xjfoCbaQRpToXA=; b=M4NhtSSrLLvxNr9gZuIzNGYXW0fudWh8coTW0JI1xZEB6gC+0hHHM2GtbHqwwy0xWR Ahx4vrCWwE/VJbL5UiMSMSXMlMq3DkoWSNCr4mWevjRM3xjdExvV5nJV6AHaE9YRZCPw 8m3Jnc7EaMzQiztZbMMNelmfAUNGG39ebQJ3zvDY2HDNWOyurXyINPrSYIm2sNVi3JGL jRl0kldxUso7PC9EK4NZF4bRG8FliaZYzXWsq12y8KPitGK1SGo4SMMCUGD9yclugsS7 Y+63MdiepWMdjpELaYwOnihoX4oGfi0Dq+MjsyYGrRyRolHkd84kRxsl/1qaCRec1g7a UEIg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20130101132611.11420@gmx.net> References: <20121230210614.40470@gmx.net> <50E10548.70706@cruzio.com> <20121231120717.23530@gmx.net> <3B0B88FC-D9A0-431D-9C69-79EB61E4AA58@carlsonarts.com> <20130101132611.11420@gmx.net> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 10:18:06 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Music Notation symbols for loops? From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6d962404c23e04d23ba3d2 Resent-Message-ID: <1FixzB.A.Xh.v4v4QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 15:18:07 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b6d962404c23e04d23ba3d2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Have you looked at the score to Riley's In C? No particular symbols, just a bunch of loops and directions to the musicians. http://javanese.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/4/47/IMSLP00899-TerryRiley-InC.pdf Sylvain On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > Thanks all for your comments. This seems to sort of validate that there is > not a common standard notation for "Ableton clips" in sheet music / lead > sheet. > > Michael's comment was closest to what I had in mind practically. So, I > might stick to using i.e. 2-bar repeat symbols or other stuff I find > convenient. > > Thanks again - and all the best in the New Year! > Buzap > > --047d7b6d962404c23e04d23ba3d2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Have you looked at the score to Riley's In C? =A0No pa= rticular symbols, just a bunch of loops and directions to the musicians.

Sylvain


On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 8:26 AM,= Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
Thanks all for your comments. This seems to = sort of validate that there is not a common standard notation for "Abl= eton clips" in sheet music / lead sheet.

Michael's comment was closest to what I had in mind practically. So, I = might stick to using i.e. 2-bar repeat symbols or other stuff I find conven= ient.

Thanks again - and all the best in the New Year!
Buzap


--047d7b6d962404c23e04d23ba3d2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 20:46:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6F07183474; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 20:46:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=yqzJ36OVsFDq3jVawbijtr64FNhs0lfx7ZkUnvtSvMo=; b=eIzGd1w2NSQ+VipSGyXQddpZXxGKjNPmDHtfYkkDU795sZ5FLm6X1lsgtFNiQglCbl oSgjAeDl1WkoMekGHykxluMwMkWHlIbfc/4zkwstppMWyqKm/gJW0CLeqpDHm4zqx2xt AAP2NLWMgUJtlTfgJJ2HAgcQgcUOW5XuMQf65b5Q2poMW/xxgcNx3dfrxXPw1sQz0eBS rAJ0edMI6AsoiCmyAkFS9XmFqB7HpnY+2sJ13C1GTlooe5ezKYi6UtIbDSn5cAjVdKdH oeVmHnemBgxrCG5NwQREDX8jeSICYjpTwF+qtQd3z7eWt0swzEgpDqPah7NbLcQxWE7u eHJA== X-Received: by 10.229.234.143 with SMTP id kc15mr5208031qcb.109.1357073218678; Tue, 01 Jan 2013 12:46:58 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Subject: Re: Infinity Looper + Axe-Fx II looper added to my looper comparison chart From: "teddyjam.com" In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 15:46:56 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQle9UPaxWi5vv02CXdbEqCVT26sesUUsYCW5+fsrJYT0rSetEZYxH6vXye1giD6LflicTho Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 20:46:59 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Per, very helpful ! I have an Infinity that I'm setting up with a 34oneII and an iphone for = click track basically trying to recreate my giant RC50 setup in a smaller and more = versatile package looks like Pigtronix will be doing a lot of updating of the Infinity = over time, adding features, pretty cool, great company. Teddy On Jan 1, 2013, at 10:14 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi Friends, >=20 > A while back I uploaded to share a chart I made for comparing my > favorite functions in loopers. Now I just updated my chart with two > more units: the Infinity Looper by Pigtronix and the Fractal Audio > Systems Axe-Fx II that actually is a rack mountable guitar preamp with > effects that include a quite decent looper block at preset level (not > global looper positioning) >=20 > http://looproom.com/looperchart.php >=20 > Please remember that this is not a public information service or a > commercial support aid - it's just my personal sharing of what I think > is useful knowledge to have at hand. Anyone is free to snag the chart > data as it is. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 21:30:09 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F440183466; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 21:30:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <50E3555E.8060103@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 13:30:06 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Per Boysen , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Re: Music Notation symbols for loops? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 21:30:09 +0000 (UTC) On 12/31/2012 4:17 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > I once had a > chance to study a score by Elliot Sharp for an octet and he had simply > penned in instructions in plain English to the musicians on the bars > where that made more sense then traditional notation symbols. Yeah, Per, in even simpler contexts, I often notate the percentage of swing when writing out a transcription of , say, a New Orleans 2nd Line rhtyhm that has a certain kind of feel. It's all notation, whether verbal or symbollic, so the point is ,"How clearly can I communicate to the musicians what I intend to be done" To me, on a piece of paper writing something like this makes sense when notating synchronized loops of different lengths (sorry, I can't find a music notation font, but you get the idea). LOOP #1 (hi hat) *4/4 ||: X * X X * X * X X * X * X X * X**:||* LOOP #2 (clave) *4/4 ||: X * * X * * * X * * X * X * * * | **X * * X * * * * * * X * X * X * :|| * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 23:56:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63E69183474; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 23:56:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=xcIYM2oXlcyIjnUe9v5s4ZORWVQzvB44brsX3S4rkE4=; b=HPKmUdOi/DjF5KDGE6B3awmMkhxP2387l36ZKTZdahqR1nsBsY0Nl05Z0fjqAuGVuE VVG5MpTDqblku8kV1x/9kj/bDRSwZtpuv3C/FAl2PneHtuNs+7wCSy3Z2RrlawoABUW7 iUkXhf751XdhRTRhmL4JZ7MacDdJAGmB74P9aeSpyHizXVQROKs2XSyOej8sDjJMXdTi Op0EYH8yy3I1boXTc9FmdnOd/Esb4+s21XOGNpZHHMl5uoOIlCUFFvuRp+sCt6AIUtOB 7JfiNJ+3FlCPXfdnQLjFv5FKjEJYa0qZVxbyDlv/bYPtT5hm+qzqjQJZfd3lqw+ZYm9P dxgw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <52210.77.99.233.16.1356953317.squirrel@webmail.bris.ac.uk> References: <52210.77.99.233.16.1356953317.squirrel@webmail.bris.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 15:56:58 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Soft synths for guitar From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04462d769da25704d242e211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 23:56:59 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04462d769da25704d242e211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the recommendations. I'm especially glad to be reminded about crystal. And free to boot. I think I have enough to crash my MacBook now. Happy new year all. Kevin On Monday, December 31, 2012, Philip Conway wrote: > I'm a sucker for virtual analog sounds, so I love U-he's Diva. It's very > processor-hungry but it sounds amazing. U-he's Zebra also has a Zebrify > mode that turns pitch straight into notes without midi conversion. > > > On Mon, December 31, 2012 1:07 am, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > > Well, after figuring out how to use Live to do some of what I want to > > accomplish (thanks m=F6bius too), I've realized I can complicate and ex= pand > > my rig even further. > > > > So, with that in mind, anyone have any soft synths they find especially > > fun > > to play via guitar synth? I seem to recall Absynth being a good > > possibility but I thought I'd appeal to the freaky genius living here t= o > > get some ideas. > > > > Thanks and full sails to 2013. > > > > Kevin > > > > > > -- > > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all > trouble. > > > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > > > > -- > > > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) --f46d04462d769da25704d242e211 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the recommendations. =A0I'm especially glad to be reminded a= bout crystal. =A0And free to boot. =A0I think I have enough to crash my Mac= Book now.

Happy new year all.

K= evin

On Monday, December 31, 2012, Philip Conway wrote:
I'm a sucker for virtual analog sounds, so I love U-he&#= 39;s Diva. =A0It's very
processor-hungry but it sounds amazing. =A0U-he's Zebra also has a Zebr= ify
mode that turns pitch straight into notes without midi conversion.


On Mon, December 31, 2012 1:07 am, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote:
> Well, after figuring out how to use Live to do some of what I want to<= br> > accomplish (thanks m=F6bius too), I've realized I can complicate a= nd expand
> my rig even further.
>
> So, with that in mind, anyone have any soft synths they find especiall= y
> fun
> to play via guitar synth? =A0I seem to recall Absynth being a good
> possibility but I thought I'd appeal to the freaky genius living h= ere to
> get some ideas.
>
> Thanks and full sails to 2013.
>
> Kevin
>
>
> --
> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have = a
> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trou= ble.
>
> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
>


--




--
Till now you seriously considered yoursel= f to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which = is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)


--f46d04462d769da25704d242e211-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 14:28:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EC44183492; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:28:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=kthI9Fv3wBCF9e56sNs1GoMq8zLsLIkaH9sh+RZ4zco=; b=i8RclQ71XR0KGdOKHGRUKuMWpMKfSsH+B2pFsiVuSi4NQmU6ClJ2nUg6Gsugti08PD XYzYnqiVPFvKLAVTQGPTj1QI5IS2zkt4BijOUwbvKFTupuzzrfkc0BRnG+qQaldwrDSA lNWJSM3vJCTThaF43yIlbA0EkNvJLCiNauhOiqt2fCOH3MaZ3jwXRa4Dtpk6Sncpjzge vJK/JxU7qn22BLPCHv74xcRNYPivEPlf4t7RJtxSaur3t8j33BX3YBCWcygwZE//qZSW k7djaOZQWW8uBoAcn/A/KObOF9x3mxMoSt0VM5EkntoAovBAPvqAxl5eRVzPA7Cq8qvG C2TA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 22:28:00 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: 'live' live looping From: eib halimski To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151748e058b1385504d24f0dc8 Resent-Message-ID: <6Svn3.A.cfC.yPE5QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:28:02 +0000 (UTC) --00151748e058b1385504d24f0dc8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 enjoy :) http://vimeo.com/42921558 --00151748e058b1385504d24f0dc8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
enjoy :)
http://vimeo.com/42921558 --00151748e058b1385504d24f0dc8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 20:07:27 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A0C5183490; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 20:07:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 628948.5414.bm@omp1043.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1357157246; bh=Ta7xcGfNJALLtf9mj6sxhtX5xIRUBPECWH8nv7dSRkw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FgYDhQywAvFjtdoQlfJHHDKwIedKdluDnTnaYbzI7DfHx/fT+HcFJyHjiIibhQLaoNuEIcEq8J1evoKHwPlamnV5Xm0wMSj0XJW/HDt1KChGrObT04KaMBtER/i4bHtumeipdL0Kyaak8lW/QYvseKyc4+E+q/568IE0ZDYxuoE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jciTv4sJIodEHSgp2FuzqddoN3pP5b5f0QGMzX/1qwfMc9w1rcz576mo9bMrK4N+aCi8vi9UohN0GAXq3uSspv1rte/wR8QKLxfJZ2QY7gmq7Cq88ONybzNpPN4Vt4M2doQTdqd2sT329boINghzNxG7cTA3jIzxbf4/M8d2Wgo=; X-YMail-OSG: wA3Q38UVM1kmHU.LQmdIsRZXbiE0lV23IPCRQG6cXKQS1hM xF4TmWrdR.I0nJ0ZfXBgVJyiRDl4N5Oy2HNwOvaJp7BB__9V4dl2VsQ2k5KM J2Ioq5xnsJEqPf_.rCNHio160QlRDyD_xL6wNtOQyf.xAFtcpBYQxw9wEjO0 PsVb76hTjAZuKSWcX9n08AjJKNw7z4BFrss7mnbQK70HwC.ZyE6RSWUEtac9 rCekAjJDgbj4LLdwrmUAlg7gPyLkcNyjHYdF2D9jTmguUN0KfgrpzphOdr0z XO0FBiEzMG44hbxv46OodiNcVuIutzcM6HAy2Bph1sMMg5kPQAl2D3xf5L5h 0TWTXBMmb5w.DukeDk3BOkyQWl4NU7Rh742rDhzTaUO_kRnf4cuIWvfBnh4t DrtOZypmqeD.kgWLtSl4397tUi.e88giYvLaClESjEtrGNXzhTbCV9.IAgrJ qVjtdx_ff4FdVMyi4crnKBwL.36xAINi5dTorLu9BpP.lI1ZYcpOKtUHFVZI Iu1q37dBgEP4FM4vGIbWHV0TqekZOnrDIFdnxGem4F2G5RMnNoIu4fYChfz8 yJJkk60oej_.ZpCd_RfiVPAjQdeQbjQsH9VLarFHFjJ8QL9SDu0PPBMvXNec uJySgwIG_PAKRxXgIpUOAP3lzmwhFY7SXltWHXrZpnVfUSEK_XxIBB11CKoY YOhVx2hWvpoUxTf1Vft1PcZF7FaG6UqEvKg.Nj.tFJRvy2A-- X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,PCQuMDI.CgpQZXIsIHRoYXQgaXMgYSBjb29sIGNoYXJ0LiBPbmUgc21hbGwgdGhpbmcgeW91IG1heSB3YW50IHRvIGNoYW5nZSBpcyB0aGUgWm9vbSBHMiBkb2Vzbid0IGFwcGVhciB0byBoYXZlIGFueSBNSURJIGNhcGFiaWxpdHkuICBUaGVyZSdzIGRlZmluaXRlbHkgbm8gTUlESSBwb3J0cywgYW5kIGlmIHlvdSBzZWFyY2ggZm9yICdtaWRpJyBvbiB0aGUgbGlua2VkIHBhZ2UgdGhlcmUgYXJlIG5vIG1hdGNoZXMuLi4KCkFsc28sIHlvdXIgY2hhcnQgaXMgbWlzc2luZyB0aGUgQmFja2xpbmUgRW5naW5lZXIBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.129.483 Message-ID: <1357157246.56633.YahooMailClassic@web163101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 12:07:26 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Bjorklun Subject: Re: Infinity Looper + Axe-Fx II looper added to my looper comparison chart To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 20:07:27 +0000 (UTC) <$.02> Per, that is a cool chart. One small thing you may want to change is the Zoom G2 doesn't appear to have any MIDI capability. There's definitely no MIDI ports, and if you search for 'midi' on the linked page there are no matches... Also, your chart is missing the Backline Engineering RiffBox! Teddy, I hope Pigtronix adds the ability to play a recorded loop backwards. If this was added, I would probably buy it right away! - Jim --- On Tue, 1/1/13, teddyjam.com wrote: > From: teddyjam.com > Subject: Re: Infinity Looper + Axe-Fx II looper added to my looper comparison chart > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Tuesday, January 1, 2013, 2:46 PM > Thanks Per, very helpful ! > > I have an Infinity that I'm setting up with a 34oneII and an > iphone for click track > basically trying to recreate my giant RC50 setup in a > smaller and more versatile package > > looks like Pigtronix will be doing a lot of updating of the > Infinity over time, adding features, pretty cool, great > company. > > Teddy > > On Jan 1, 2013, at 10:14 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > > Hi Friends, > > > > A while back I uploaded to share a chart I made for > comparing my > > favorite functions in loopers. Now I just updated my > chart with two > > more units: the Infinity Looper by Pigtronix and the > Fractal Audio > > Systems Axe-Fx II that actually is a rack mountable > guitar preamp with > > effects that include a quite decent looper block at > preset level (not > > global looper positioning) > > > > http://looproom.com/looperchart.php > > > > Please remember that this is not a public information > service or a > > commercial support aid - it's just my personal sharing > of what I think > > is useful knowledge to have at hand. Anyone is free to > snag the chart > > data as it is. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.perboysen.com > > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 20:24:34 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6408183491; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 20:24:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=C2Bw2y+NMUoN0UG5VkJ9u9zyVhADnilNSzOHXvNdIm4=; b=yV/x3dFzkpFqmlmvtu97iZKL8cEvBearnbH4FtE0GJFtW5kEgfamSHJmaQImL2mKkb 3QmE61JF3+1dMXzdWnucsUmcqX+BaZcC+H7D1wYDRyWW8R6CgvvkYdVjzVsWea5o/664 CKzgapUxEgv9rBaV/GfOyMASxN/nflyOmJfRvYV18puQ4SqCduWChYxLxCNlg4qRAtfo bEtF9RP4Gx2w5teD+W+pHfv7NhKH27qrFI6qcO7vyv751Bi/dVaH2hlNCcaMvf7NDXOu ysfTyQE9hZkV9R/ZjOIwpU6zRcVCLbgbn9orGW9ljU7YRMEDbLfwF6M2+DrnDtZJltLV bz1Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: danielhlevine@gmail.com Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:24:33 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: C0n6nZ2mOOenaCDmNAexIoxNBPI Message-ID: Subject: My unofficial collaboration with This American Life From: daniel To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efe2e98c7555904d254087d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 20:24:34 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4efe2e98c7555904d254087d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dearest Looping family, I come to you today to share the news of the release of my latest project: scoring clips of This American Life episodes that were without music, titled, "Maybe it's better if you hear this in a British accent." http://danielharris.bandcamp.com/album/maybe-its-better-if-you-hear-this-in-a-british-accent All the pieces are looped based, recorded onto my rc50 using mostly my 1998 Ibanez Blazer (and sometimes my Raines 7-string Bebop) into my pedal line-up (ending with the rc50), then mixed in Logic Pro 9. The only exception is the music for the first song which was done a little differently: I started with a simple idea on the rc50 playing to one of the built-in rhythms. I then brought those initial tracks into Logic, made a beat and bass line in there, and recorded all additional tracks on the rc50 (you know, for continuity's sake/I was visiting my parents and only had the rc for recording/etc). The other exception is in one other song I use a Logic synth drone underneath everything else. Hope y'all enjoy! love Dan --e0cb4efe2e98c7555904d254087d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dearest Looping family,

I come to = you today to share the news of the release of my latest project: scoring cl= ips of This American Life episodes that were without music, titled, "M= aybe it's better if you hear this in a British accent."=A0

http://danielharris.bandcamp.com/album/ma= ybe-its-better-if-you-hear-this-in-a-british-accent

All the pieces are looped based, recorded onto my rc50 using mostly my 1998= Ibanez Blazer (and sometimes my Raines 7-string Bebop) into my pedal line-= up (ending with the rc50), then mixed in Logic Pro 9. The only exception is= the music for the first song which was done a little differently: I starte= d with a simple idea on the rc50 playing to one of the built-in rhythms. I = then brought those initial tracks into Logic, made a beat and bass line in = there, and recorded all additional tracks on the rc50 (you know, for contin= uity's sake/I was visiting my parents and only had the rc for recording= /etc). The other exception is in one other song I use a Logic synth drone u= nderneath everything else.

Hope y'all enjoy!

love
Dan
--e0cb4efe2e98c7555904d254087d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 02:12:40 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6ACB5183491; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 02:12:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Ed Durbrow Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7226BC93-ED93-44C9-B3F9-A63C3BADFB21" Message-Id: <4F1F07FB-C7C4-4A21-AC07-E2F472796E1C@sea.plala.or.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: My unofficial collaboration with This American Life Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 11:12:36 +0900 References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa03b; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 11:12:36 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 02:12:40 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_7226BC93-ED93-44C9-B3F9-A63C3BADFB21 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Those are very effective backdrops. The thing is, those snippets are = real teasers. I'm going to have to chase down all of those episodes and = listen to find out what happened! On Jan 3, 2013, at 5:24 AM, daniel wrote: > Dearest Looping family,=20 >=20 > I come to you today to share the news of the release of my latest = project: scoring clips of This American Life episodes that were without = music, titled, "Maybe it's better if you hear this in a British accent." = =20 >=20 > = http://danielharris.bandcamp.com/album/maybe-its-better-if-you-hear-this-i= n-a-british-accent >=20 > All the pieces are looped based, recorded onto my rc50 using mostly my = 1998 Ibanez Blazer (and sometimes my Raines 7-string Bebop) into my = pedal line-up (ending with the rc50), then mixed in Logic Pro 9. The = only exception is the music for the first song which was done a little = differently: I started with a simple idea on the rc50 playing to one of = the built-in rhythms. I then brought those initial tracks into Logic, = made a beat and bass line in there, and recorded all additional tracks = on the rc50 (you know, for continuity's sake/I was visiting my parents = and only had the rc for recording/etc). The other exception is in one = other song I use a Logic synth drone underneath everything else.=20 >=20 > Hope y'all enjoy! >=20 > love > Dan=20 Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=3Dwatch http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ --Apple-Mail=_7226BC93-ED93-44C9-B3F9-A63C3BADFB21 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Those are very effective backdrops. The thing is, those snippets are real teasers. I'm going to have to chase down all of those episodes and listen to find out what happened!

On Jan 3, 2013, at 5:24 AM, daniel <daniel@ithinkwethink.org> wrote:

Dearest Looping family,

I come to you today to share the news of the release of my latest project: scoring clips of This American Life episodes that were without music, titled, "Maybe it's better if you hear this in a British accent." 

http://danielharris.bandcamp.com/album/maybe-its-better-if-you-hear-this-in-a-british-accent

All the pieces are looped based, recorded onto my rc50 using mostly my 1998 Ibanez Blazer (and sometimes my Raines 7-string Bebop) into my pedal line-up (ending with the rc50), then mixed in Logic Pro 9. The only exception is the music for the first song which was done a little differently: I started with a simple idea on the rc50 playing to one of the built-in rhythms. I then brought those initial tracks into Logic, made a beat and bass line in there, and recorded all additional tracks on the rc50 (you know, for continuity's sake/I was visiting my parents and only had the rc for recording/etc). The other exception is in one other song I use a Logic synth drone underneath everything else.

Hope y'all enjoy!

love
Dan


--Apple-Mail=_7226BC93-ED93-44C9-B3F9-A63C3BADFB21-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 06:20:48 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1715C183497; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 06:20:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 06:20:47 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 00:20:19 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: "Remembering Marya" video on You Tube Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 06:20:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I've posted another video on You Tube at http://youtu.be/563TK6ks7tA -- please excuse cross postings --- many of you are on more than one of my lists. "Remembering Marya" is a tribute to my late wife (and companion of 23 1/2 years) Marya Wolfman. I think of it as a visual celebration of a life well-lived, but all too finite. The piece is an animated collage of still images of Marya. I took most of the images taken since I met Marya. Marya's brother Steve provided most of the archival images, and there are some additional contribution from friends and other relatives. The soundtrack is taken from performances at a remembrance ceremony held for Marya on September 23, 2012. Deepest thanks to the friends and relatives who organized and participated in the event. This piece is obviously quite different from any of the other work on my You Tube site. It presented unique challenges, both emotionally and aesthetically. I hope this piece brings back good memories for those who knew Marya, and provides a sense of her spirit for those who did not. BTW Some of my photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 07:48:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9F53183495; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 07:48:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=2S+TSN0tCOR0TpcLYyUBCaFWeOvUlef+rzg7CS47XTI=; b=w3nliMNdJ1rhgmBGeAwZS1s1UsF9+Wvfq+0KxsH8CCcLSYC+PJCtZzmM4MX04eQFNm Vsc6/11ba7t+Yi0oKi1gGy2qt037OB6cMrSbFdehnD1RQQ2pC7CZ2PO19NdQeu0A/Gvu q9It8dukmSpBiSlE6OwDTHBtf+GE73Lwu3baaZJVVp+8cE3rN/4P3pG/nBYiQHyiuvkW oxnwoC4fj94VKTWaBZ7HTPWyNOFv4s1Z0wxs/eDUdStqZCBOq6VVZVPQ6ooz0xe0E9WP 3/YlEkOX4GOeDaWPU/4fRd8LgExwTJLbTZgvnra0cC6jy6lG6+9gv/ynkTMuJbWvJcWs iqYQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 23:48:21 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: "Remembering Marya" video on You Tube From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec51968c947e80b04d25d9619 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 07:48:22 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec51968c947e80b04d25d9619 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm so sorry :(... Hopefully she's in a better place. On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) < emile@foryourhead.com> wrote: > Hi folks, > > I've posted another video on You Tube at http://youtu.be/563TK6ks7tA -- > please excuse cross postings --- many of you are on more than one of my > lists. > > "Remembering Marya" is a tribute to my late wife (and companion of 23 1/2 > years) Marya Wolfman. I think of it as a visual celebration of a life > well-lived, but all too finite. > > The piece is an animated collage of still images of Marya. I took most > of the images taken since I met Marya. Marya's brother Steve provided most > of the archival images, and there are some additional contribution from > friends and other relatives. The soundtrack is taken from performances at a > remembrance ceremony held for Marya on September 23, 2012. Deepest thanks > to the friends and relatives who organized and participated in the event. > > This piece is obviously quite different from any of the other work on my > You Tube site. It presented unique challenges, both emotionally and > aesthetically. I hope this piece brings back good memories for those who > knew Marya, and provides a sense of her spirit for those who did not. > > BTW Some of my photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/* > *22231918@N06/collections/**72157603627170351/ > -- > " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley > > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. > Video Producer Image Processing Specialist > Video for your HEAD! Boris FX > http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com > > -- http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238 My Music: - http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27 - www.soundcloud.com/k3z My Photography: http://www.flickr.com/photos/k3z/ --bcaec51968c947e80b04d25d9619 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm so sorry :(... Hopefully she's in a better place.

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a= Dr. T) <emile@foryourhead.com> wrote:
Hi folks,

I've posted another video on You Tube at http://youtu.be/563TK6ks7tA -- please excus= e cross postings --- many of you are on more than one of my lists.

"Remembering Marya" is a tribute to my late wife (and companion o= f 23 1/2 years) Marya Wolfman. I think of it as a visual celebration of a l= ife well-lived, but all too finite.

The piece is an =A0animated =A0collage of still images of Marya. I took mos= t of the images taken since I met Marya. Marya's brother Steve provided= most of the archival images, and there are some additional contribution fr= om friends and other relatives. The soundtrack is taken from performances a= t a remembrance ceremony held for Marya on September 23, 2012. Deepest than= ks to the friends and relatives who organized and participated in the event= .

This piece is obviously quite different from any of the other work on my Yo= u Tube site. It presented unique challenges, both emotionally and aesthetic= ally. I hope this piece brings back good memories for those who knew Marya,= and provides a sense of her spirit for those who did not.

BTW Some of my photography can be viewed at htt= p://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/7215760362= 7170351/
--
" Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." =A0-- Paul Bley
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D.
Video Producer =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Image Processing Speciali= st
Video for your HEAD! =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Boris FX
http://www.foryour= head.com =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://www.borisfx.com




--
ht= tp://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238

My Music: - http://www= .youtube.com/user/gumdrops27
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0 - www.soundcloud.com/k3z
My Photogra= phy: http:/= /www.flickr.com/photos/k3z/


--bcaec51968c947e80b04d25d9619-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 07:50:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86E95183493; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 07:50:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=B68IjJNlCDDNntjM2g1n/S004+gOh4arXCoD3LBJjcs=; b=MQKwPLjSeQTblb/IyWy8rZqvg7MZGybkFPqfN7g4kdXe3ZDKnXQvuU18wav19WXWMi eLeiYgvd6v1lstlhhXRXDXiPSqAEyuMcSSKA7zRImMYacOq1LPMM2sOT9ZCG+z+el/s9 /707pdO+W1pRiZuvkYSV+vWmo/diivsh6nAn81An96iHLBXsuIdPzK/ohODyzrpu37sO H5WmpSIuDVxN7oT5vCnp3mbPHn+6KVG/uBha9ZdWwfeaqUowiQq7SC0qMnlN2Jd1FtPZ PLk9Sc97zFJqiUIghGh2Yj/5Bmh17f8zkf3hT9qsiWM6ZAlSnz1OSfXgFZ4TAx+aK4H9 OSmw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 23:50:05 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: "Remembering Marya" video on You Tube From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0402df8878d3c504d25d9ccb Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 07:50:06 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0402df8878d3c504d25d9ccb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Made me tear a little bit On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 11:48 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > I'm so sorry :(... Hopefully she's in a better place. > > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) < > emile@foryourhead.com> wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> >> I've posted another video on You Tube at http://youtu.be/563TK6ks7tA -- >> please excuse cross postings --- many of you are on more than one of my >> lists. >> >> "Remembering Marya" is a tribute to my late wife (and companion of 23 1/2 >> years) Marya Wolfman. I think of it as a visual celebration of a life >> well-lived, but all too finite. >> >> The piece is an animated collage of still images of Marya. I took most >> of the images taken since I met Marya. Marya's brother Steve provided most >> of the archival images, and there are some additional contribution from >> friends and other relatives. The soundtrack is taken from performances at a >> remembrance ceremony held for Marya on September 23, 2012. Deepest thanks >> to the friends and relatives who organized and participated in the event. >> >> This piece is obviously quite different from any of the other work on my >> You Tube site. It presented unique challenges, both emotionally and >> aesthetically. I hope this piece brings back good memories for those who >> knew Marya, and provides a sense of her spirit for those who did not. >> >> BTW Some of my photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/ >> **22231918@N06/collections/**72157603627170351/ >> -- >> " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley >> >> Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. >> Video Producer Image Processing Specialist >> Video for your HEAD! Boris FX >> http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com >> >> > > > -- > http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238 > > My Music: - http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27 > - www.soundcloud.com/k3z > My Photography: http://www.flickr.com/photos/k3z/ > > > -- http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238 My Music: - http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27 - www.soundcloud.com/k3z My Photography: http://www.flickr.com/photos/k3z/ --f46d0402df8878d3c504d25d9ccb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Made me tear a little bit

On Wed, Jan 2, = 2013 at 11:48 PM, kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrot= e:
I'm so sorry :(... Hopefully she's i= n a better place.


On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) <emile@f= oryourhead.com> wrote:
Hi folks,

I've posted another video on You Tube at http://youtu.be/563TK6ks7tA -- please excus= e cross postings --- many of you are on more than one of my lists.

"Remembering Marya" is a tribute to my late wife (and companion o= f 23 1/2 years) Marya Wolfman. I think of it as a visual celebration of a l= ife well-lived, but all too finite.

The piece is an =A0animated =A0collage of still images of Marya. I took mos= t of the images taken since I met Marya. Marya's brother Steve provided= most of the archival images, and there are some additional contribution fr= om friends and other relatives. The soundtrack is taken from performances a= t a remembrance ceremony held for Marya on September 23, 2012. Deepest than= ks to the friends and relatives who organized and participated in the event= .

This piece is obviously quite different from any of the other work on my Yo= u Tube site. It presented unique challenges, both emotionally and aesthetic= ally. I hope this piece brings back good memories for those who knew Marya,= and provides a sense of her spirit for those who did not.

BTW Some of my photography can be viewed at htt= p://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/7215760362= 7170351/
--
" Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." =A0-- Paul Bley
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D.
Video Producer =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Image Processing Speciali= st
Video for your HEAD! =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Boris FX
http://www.foryour= head.com =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://www.borisfx.com




--
http://www.facebook.= com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238

My Music: - http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0 - www.soundcloud.com/k3z
My Photogra= phy: http:/= /www.flickr.com/photos/k3z/





--
ht= tp://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238

My Music: - http://www= .youtube.com/user/gumdrops27
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0 - www.soundcloud.com/k3z
My Photogra= phy: http:/= /www.flickr.com/photos/k3z/


--f46d0402df8878d3c504d25d9ccb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 12:56:20 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68BD1183494; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 12:56:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1357217778; bh=giCan0n+x2NVeW4oK/LHM545493G8QxIoj6t4ibNwJU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer; b=gUaRkvT0SizJaIGhxLtxRmzpHXzkzPrrfHA0pJ1izkEelck5zUOeaIbm0S14+hCNYM6W0Z7BsgK2mPwswsRldq5cQeDu3LqbLX/NPeebYpHlwQtkdg6PnUYkbRMFT5bLk0FOHQ7SURACo2F7LE68ESBWghDjRhEGS98ALfR8Gpk= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 896239.80335.bm@smtp148.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: DMXgZv0VM1kdVTUbaS5tbsFcM7VFVOs6WHAvxjc5pGaq2v6 msVybSfwzhWl.5VKd7DE7YMP.5MBX2w3Mjs2s3XoULw.JbRsyHIanPqBaUm5 LpDDTwy.28gebfhT9DaCtrnITkkUTOI9nx1S9I2iXsGow8dA_auIc9_2u47I EDRuuHfLUIALO_uNY40UEoQs0sZi58NytB2WR2_LTy7cNMCdYB4mdTQ4EjHI aBruL2FaNICrV5seMRDUs4Wt9EYXkjbZH3p_U.77nDPNHUvcZ8JZrBGEbPSb mciVx560MfSALQ7ilqtlsR.bjgbCYRvTN_SEkuWqKMTX7Gn5PrhFV0G_N3Up s3PrztUMAeSMvvBbeoBYvFfKCa5Nj3iO7.9uv7IXH6EnFElSmxbXA3ttJVC. gkIzdd.ZInjMmhmFzj6yEaG4xC0ixfoeltE2T6xEvBkCtpHIe8PWANItCJfH te8a7zOeSRMb56RKeO7LpYsWkGhGHql3_U7yMYR5jUmV0pMSgYxYVAxueyRG cCGIHKF1uyD5zKc12 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 75CdczOswBChen.W3AbLhaW8TlC96TVo5w-- From: Ben To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 13:56:18 +0100 Subject: Re: Soft synths for guitar In-Reply-To: References: <52210.77.99.233.16.1356953317.squirrel@webmail.bris.ac.uk> Message-Id: <20130103135618.C3899A20.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: nPOPuk Ver 2.16 Resent-Message-ID: <28_a2B.A.WeF.0_X5QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 12:56:20 +0000 (UTC) Hello, No really an answer to the original question but here's something some guitarists of this community may find usefull: It's a MIDI Guitar VST/AudioUnit/Standalone that can be used with most digital audio workstations (DAW's) under Windows or MacOSX, and thus=20 can be used for true polyphonic guitar synthesizers or for recording=20 notes or tablature (auto-tabbing). http://jamorigin.com/midi-guitar/vst.html It's currently in beta but comments are quite good. Somes says it=20 tracks well and faster than the roland stuff. Happy new year Ben -------------------------------------------------- Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: (02/01/2013 00:56) > Thanks for the recommendations. I'm especially glad to be reminded about= > crystal. And free to boot. I think I have enough to crash my MacBook no= w. >=20 > Happy new year all. >=20 > Kevin >=20 > On Monday, December 31, 2012, Philip Conway wrote: >=20 > > I'm a sucker for virtual analog sounds, so I love U-he's Diva. It's ve= ry > > processor-hungry but it sounds amazing. U-he's Zebra also has a Zebrif= y > > mode that turns pitch straight into notes without midi conversion. > > > > > > On Mon, December 31, 2012 1:07 am, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > > > Well, after figuring out how to use Live to do some of what I want to= > > > accomplish (thanks m=C3=B6bius too), I've realized I can complicate a= nd expand > > > my rig even further. > > > > > > So, with that in mind, anyone have any soft synths they find especial= ly > > > fun > > > to play via guitar synth=3F I seem to recall Absynth being a good > > > possibility but I thought I'd appeal to the freaky genius living here= to > > > get some ideas. > > > > > > Thanks and full sails to 2013. > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have= a > > > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all > > trouble. > > > > > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > >=20 > --=20 > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble= . >=20 > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 12:59:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94EB7183492; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 12:59:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 13:59:19 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20130103125919.152010@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20121230210614.40470@gmx.net> <50E10548.70706@cruzio.com> <20121231120717.23530@gmx.net> <3B0B88FC-D9A0-431D-9C69-79EB61E4AA58@carlsonarts.com> <20130101132611.11420@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Music Notation symbols for loops? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19NQURx8sFNtT96+W8t/I8wJlPMvecIJuH4otxkwH akPI69Wrs4baeGi/BLXpaKop/aqskbOSMUEQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: 8OWXcAVaeSEqU8h4kHUhemF+IGRvbwDD Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 12:59:22 +0000 (UTC) Hi Sylvain thanks. This looks basically like numbered loops + text description. Since it has a reference to "javanese": I'm actually using elements of javanese gamelan notation for shorthand music notation - works very well. > http://javanese.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/4/47/IMSLP00899-TerryRiley-InC.pdf best Buzap From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 14:44:16 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76A68183496; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 14:44:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Cx9EzVsKwYTQWBWpFG2ZsRsXPc38o6jHS1/jTKJdlZk=; b=Hj8BrBKjJXxSnu0luy4SFcHlmvdf57JlHr+31YHIzFDAyWNCRA6eK9ud3r8SjD3Q+f PuOOZghX8zdp8RrlsO0hPSIZqr1FytNdBBcFj1DTnIMeErQeFXvG9+B3sSzGyys6PBmK P66bXajkT6DRgRi9MT3GDtjENgKO5l3KeJH7IyLFDxo4M1znm3Ax4apdZIFH2Bf40b8f 0T0fuxWFewyg21qodWylJg7H6FitVSQDxujKgvUX8xZBZbaw5x/FtF2LISfqJGXQ9/cB /D4DBtmT6oc/Gid2xiqcGg1MiS1p7dDwxEd2BVdboJ3+By9NW5NsGDfzsgMP/UyPHn+C 4Wng== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: danielhlevine@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4F1F07FB-C7C4-4A21-AC07-E2F472796E1C@sea.plala.or.jp> References: <4F1F07FB-C7C4-4A21-AC07-E2F472796E1C@sea.plala.or.jp> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 09:44:15 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ZMSlV7VnQVSURoGZSyR8QiSHxFQ Message-ID: Subject: Re: My unofficial collaboration with This American Life From: daniel To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb20276a28eee04d263658c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 14:44:16 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8fb20276a28eee04d263658c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks! I included the episode title and number in the info for each song, so it shouldn't be too tough getting a hold of them. On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Ed Durbrow wrote: > Those are very effective backdrops. The thing is, those snippets are real > teasers. I'm going to have to chase down all of those episodes and listen > to find out what happened! > > On Jan 3, 2013, at 5:24 AM, daniel wrote: > > Dearest Looping family, > > I come to you today to share the news of the release of my latest project: > scoring clips of This American Life episodes that were without music, > titled, "Maybe it's better if you hear this in a British accent." > > > http://danielharris.bandcamp.com/album/maybe-its-better-if-you-hear-this-in-a-british-accent > > All the pieces are looped based, recorded onto my rc50 using mostly my > 1998 Ibanez Blazer (and sometimes my Raines 7-string Bebop) into my pedal > line-up (ending with the rc50), then mixed in Logic Pro 9. The only > exception is the music for the first song which was done a little > differently: I started with a simple idea on the rc50 playing to one of the > built-in rhythms. I then brought those initial tracks into Logic, made a > beat and bass line in there, and recorded all additional tracks on the rc50 > (you know, for continuity's sake/I was visiting my parents and only had the > rc for recording/etc). The other exception is in one other song I use a > Logic synth drone underneath everything else. > > Hope y'all enjoy! > > love > Dan > > > Ed Durbrow > Saitama, Japan > http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch > http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ > > > > --e89a8fb20276a28eee04d263658c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks! I included the episode title and number in the inf= o for each song, so it shouldn't be too tough getting a hold of them. <= br>


On W= ed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Ed Durbrow <edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp> wrote:
Those ar= e very effective backdrops. The thing is, those snippets are real teasers. = I'm going to have to chase down all of those episodes and listen to fin= d out what happened!


Dearest Looping family,

I come to you today to share the= news of the release of my latest project: scoring clips of This American L= ife episodes that were without music, titled, "Maybe it's better i= f you hear this in a British accent."=A0

http://danielharris.ban= dcamp.com/album/maybe-its-better-if-you-hear-this-in-a-british-accent
All the pieces are looped based, recorded onto my rc50 using mostly my 1998= Ibanez Blazer (and sometimes my Raines 7-string Bebop) into my pedal line-= up (ending with the rc50), then mixed in Logic Pro 9. The only exception is= the music for the first song which was done a little differently: I starte= d with a simple idea on the rc50 playing to one of the built-in rhythms. I = then brought those initial tracks into Logic, made a beat and bass line in = there, and recorded all additional tracks on the rc50 (you know, for contin= uity's sake/I was visiting my parents and only had the rc for recording= /etc). The other exception is in one other song I use a Logic synth drone u= nderneath everything else.

Hope y'all enjoy!

love
Dan



--e89a8fb20276a28eee04d263658c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 14:44:32 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2345183499; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 14:44:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=4twArINzg+gFxEJ3G9j2dIN2aAKQ039FbSGq1h79dsA=; b=CmdNPNb/dBSidSfsEQWcaHxOV40X/Aea+VRC8S+EcdxmIgDHalL/B6qfWYpVMTrWgl 0Hx/EnNXmOf2mDcO0W4yIZImoJC1wLRKKnG0JhLZqEpIW7eWgXVthJslAogUP6jSJxwG fr/7IiJpxCgs7mTvpndipGPYABAI+pSkz6jCK44v3BXO3ixlmgWf+B6M//SMAVxkpaCY gqjI32DcmsqfbimGTMmvYmYZ2O786DmAQNuOrNKbd1ffISktsSE6Zq/vX5OqhV8z8mkK bsGkzbn8G1v2dTygoHqvQ5jVQ0Et2+ZblpKtyjo5Hb7ARivgqs5ra3PIogXaOv04gDsx MUtw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: danielhlevine@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4F1F07FB-C7C4-4A21-AC07-E2F472796E1C@sea.plala.or.jp> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 09:44:31 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: aCE13scisw_mX3O_jNMkDAm3PHM Message-ID: Subject: Re: My unofficial collaboration with This American Life From: daniel To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb201729a6c8904d263666e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 14:44:32 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8fb201729a6c8904d263666e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 *Lemme know if you have trouble and I can always send you the episodes On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:44 AM, daniel wrote: > Thanks! I included the episode title and number in the info for each song, > so it shouldn't be too tough getting a hold of them. > > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Ed Durbrow wrote: > >> Those are very effective backdrops. The thing is, those snippets are real >> teasers. I'm going to have to chase down all of those episodes and listen >> to find out what happened! >> >> On Jan 3, 2013, at 5:24 AM, daniel wrote: >> >> Dearest Looping family, >> >> I come to you today to share the news of the release of my latest >> project: scoring clips of This American Life episodes that were without >> music, titled, "Maybe it's better if you hear this in a British accent." >> >> >> http://danielharris.bandcamp.com/album/maybe-its-better-if-you-hear-this-in-a-british-accent >> >> All the pieces are looped based, recorded onto my rc50 using mostly my >> 1998 Ibanez Blazer (and sometimes my Raines 7-string Bebop) into my pedal >> line-up (ending with the rc50), then mixed in Logic Pro 9. The only >> exception is the music for the first song which was done a little >> differently: I started with a simple idea on the rc50 playing to one of the >> built-in rhythms. I then brought those initial tracks into Logic, made a >> beat and bass line in there, and recorded all additional tracks on the rc50 >> (you know, for continuity's sake/I was visiting my parents and only had the >> rc for recording/etc). The other exception is in one other song I use a >> Logic synth drone underneath everything else. >> >> Hope y'all enjoy! >> >> love >> Dan >> >> >> Ed Durbrow >> Saitama, Japan >> http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch >> http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ >> >> >> >> > --e89a8fb201729a6c8904d263666e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
*Lemme know if you have trouble and I can always send you = the episodes


On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:44 AM, daniel <daniel@ithinkwethi= nk.org> wrote:
Thanks! I included the epis= ode title and number in the info for each song, so it shouldn't be too = tough getting a hold of them.

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Ed Durbrow= <edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp> wrote:
Those ar= e very effective backdrops. The thing is, those snippets are real teasers. = I'm going to have to chase down all of those episodes and listen to fin= d out what happened!

On Jan 3, 2013, at 5:24 AM, daniel <daniel@ithinkwethink.org<= /a>> wrote:

All the pieces are looped based, recorded onto my rc50 using mostly my 1998= Ibanez Blazer (and sometimes my Raines 7-string Bebop) into my pedal line-= up (ending with the rc50), then mixed in Logic Pro 9. The only exception is= the music for the first song which was done a little differently: I starte= d with a simple idea on the rc50 playing to one of the built-in rhythms. I = then brought those initial tracks into Logic, made a beat and bass line in = there, and recorded all additional tracks on the rc50 (you know, for contin= uity's sake/I was visiting my parents and only had the rc for recording= /etc). The other exception is in one other song I use a Logic synth drone u= nderneath everything else.

Hope y'all enjoy!

love
Dan




--e89a8fb201729a6c8904d263666e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 15:33:09 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 238E5183490; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 15:33:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=dIr+A5lb c=1 sm=1 a=UncmS/Am0Fgh8c8TZh5eWA==:17 a=ocjrv6C6C2gA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=_lk40sUaSGgA:10 a=jJrOw3FHAAAA:8 a=JAralIE_AAAA:8 a=r0EhlaHKAAAA:8 a=i6ImEY3AAAAA:8 a=-Q1ayRY2eCe2naqLNdgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=FU4QsWcZpzsA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=UncmS/Am0Fgh8c8TZh5eWA==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Subject: Re: "Remembering Marya" video on You Tube From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 07:33:07 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5BE03381-9A43-48F7-80FD-2CC559199004@charter.net> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Resent-Message-ID: <2TLl.A.RwG.1Sa5QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 15:33:09 +0000 (UTC) Oh my goodness Emile!=20 I am saddened by your news! The video you shared does indeed convey a sense of Marya spirit. Please accept my sympathy and condolences on the loss of your gentle = wife, partner and friend.=20 I did not know her...nor of your loss. Most sincerely, Ted Killian On Jan 2, 2013, at 9:20 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: > Hi folks, >=20 > I've posted another video on You Tube at http://youtu.be/563TK6ks7tA = -- please excuse cross postings --- many of you are on more than one of = my lists. >=20 > "Remembering Marya" is a tribute to my late wife (and companion of 23 = 1/2 years) Marya Wolfman. I think of it as a visual celebration of a = life well-lived, but all too finite. >=20 > The piece is an animated collage of still images of Marya. I took = most of the images taken since I met Marya. Marya's brother Steve = provided most of the archival images, and there are some additional = contribution from friends and other relatives. The soundtrack is taken = from performances at a remembrance ceremony held for Marya on September = 23, 2012. Deepest thanks to the friends and relatives who organized and = participated in the event. >=20 > This piece is obviously quite different from any of the other work on = my You Tube site. It presented unique challenges, both emotionally and = aesthetically. I hope this piece brings back good memories for those who = knew Marya, and provides a sense of her spirit for those who did not. >=20 > BTW Some of my photography can be viewed at = http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ > --=20 > " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley >=20 > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. > Video Producer Image Processing Specialist > Video for your HEAD! Boris FX > http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 18:43:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A09AD183492; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:43:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com x-originating-ip: 208.109.97.160 Message-ID: <50E5D145.60801@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 13:43:17 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:43:22 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EST/GMT-5 on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special Focus on Mystified. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Tribute To Forbidden Planet" on Roil Noise Records. The Special Focus page is at: http://soundscapes.us/gt/playlists/2013/focus.html#jan Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 20:18:20 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3387183492; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 20:18:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=QgT3NzC67Hwj8SEqj+a4jYRDQkPVawJfi+c5dpRhiIc=; b=lZMgjST9mJ/uappOT43viaMc39sSRPesnnxuzuz+DQwsgG44nHWonuoxRWmTRVF/ph i37txyqBOceCWG903Q/VxrrJnl+oDlMhPysWXKyHeOKkHSLsPeG2SASru7152/H/7Pps 3UUbg5M2XC6dlzyjOddYLxxZRTXlgym7t5BFiRVvjM4A1PMsH36Uomacz5juJBJWlFwA 432iriGVaAbht38gc/QF0wZlpGgXak95UfxPQjc0oEFkgJ0/6DgZtV5ZsyViNYvUB3hz vz8eR9IsQtfvEgaka4eDCtVKcZZVxaoBnD56F9l0aMUCLUqEWHyNBRBpX3uwNeKh2OH7 6Vaw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Steven Clements Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 13:17:39 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: "Remembering Marya" video on You Tube To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efa6dfc54103d04d268108c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 20:18:20 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4efa6dfc54103d04d268108c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 My heart goes out to you Emile. :( On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) < emile@foryourhead.com> wrote: > Hi folks, > > I've posted another video on You Tube at http://youtu.be/563TK6ks7tA -- > please excuse cross postings --- many of you are on more than one of my > lists. > > "Remembering Marya" is a tribute to my late wife (and companion of 23 1/2 > years) Marya Wolfman. I think of it as a visual celebration of a life > well-lived, but all too finite. > > The piece is an animated collage of still images of Marya. I took most > of the images taken since I met Marya. Marya's brother Steve provided most > of the archival images, and there are some additional contribution from > friends and other relatives. The soundtrack is taken from performances at a > remembrance ceremony held for Marya on September 23, 2012. Deepest thanks > to the friends and relatives who organized and participated in the event. > > This piece is obviously quite different from any of the other work on my > You Tube site. It presented unique challenges, both emotionally and > aesthetically. I hope this piece brings back good memories for those who > knew Marya, and provides a sense of her spirit for those who did not. > > BTW Some of my photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/* > *22231918@N06/collections/**72157603627170351/ > -- > " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley > > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. > Video Producer Image Processing Specialist > Video for your HEAD! Boris FX > http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com > > --e0cb4efa6dfc54103d04d268108c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My heart goes out to you Emile.

:(



On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)= <emile@foryourhead.com> wrote:
Hi folks,

I've posted another video on You Tube at http://youtu.be/563TK6ks7tA -- please excus= e cross postings --- many of you are on more than one of my lists.

"Remembering Marya" is a tribute to my late wife (and companion o= f 23 1/2 years) Marya Wolfman. I think of it as a visual celebration of a l= ife well-lived, but all too finite.

The piece is an =C2=A0animated =C2=A0collage of still images of Marya. I to= ok most of the images taken since I met Marya. Marya's brother Steve pr= ovided most of the archival images, and there are some additional contribut= ion from friends and other relatives. The soundtrack is taken from performa= nces at a remembrance ceremony held for Marya on September 23, 2012. Deepes= t thanks to the friends and relatives who organized and participated in the= event.

This piece is obviously quite different from any of the other work on my Yo= u Tube site. It presented unique challenges, both emotionally and aesthetic= ally. I hope this piece brings back good memories for those who knew Marya,= and provides a sense of her spirit for those who did not.

BTW Some of my photography can be viewed at htt= p://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/7215760362= 7170351/
--
" Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." =C2=A0-- Paul Ble= y

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Emile Tobenfeld, Ph= . D.
Video Producer =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0Image Processing Specialist
Video for your HEAD! =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Boris FX
http://www.foryour= head.com =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0http://www.borisfx.com


--e0cb4efa6dfc54103d04d268108c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 20:25:20 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55D93183494; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 20:25:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=BWACOADIHrQtZMxr860mtEe4vuII2YrzB0Su2zmq7b4=; b=G+9RxRKW/Zr1u2Y9PjJmEs9lCmY0jxhIT+2arh7mSFUx8WnOhEDvwcrUtb5L6Y948y hjVaZREuDjOzRhhli3jtHSv3XIjaCOQlMi5LAf8LwZbf/ZjTSW9SJ1v6O7tLm79U2aN8 QLTyLPva1T3KUrC/NnTzVOtH24d5zSGqlneVKBlirx14EJ8bu3kR3LX1QYmc6retFjE2 WoazYNTo0s8AizRLBcwmWKcO3+IS5PHoX37uuyamTcYlfmFtYdx8Q0U/Q9XT+ySkIvlp fX8gkB99dB1pzm+qO2ywKA2PfYZra3NkyXJSmRx5GIZYKIzKbxrmxYukBimJXWcnzQc/ 0qYA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: danielhlevine@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 15:25:18 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: H-JBojjn8liiqhVLFDFgGKz7VKc Message-ID: Subject: Re: "Remembering Marya" video on You Tube From: daniel To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efe2ea65a36bc04d268293b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 20:25:20 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4efe2ea65a36bc04d268293b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sorry to hear, Emile. On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Steven Clements wrote: > > My heart goes out to you Emile. > > :( > > > > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) < > emile@foryourhead.com> wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> >> I've posted another video on You Tube at http://youtu.be/563TK6ks7tA -- >> please excuse cross postings --- many of you are on more than one of my >> lists. >> >> "Remembering Marya" is a tribute to my late wife (and companion of 23 1/2 >> years) Marya Wolfman. I think of it as a visual celebration of a life >> well-lived, but all too finite. >> >> The piece is an animated collage of still images of Marya. I took most >> of the images taken since I met Marya. Marya's brother Steve provided most >> of the archival images, and there are some additional contribution from >> friends and other relatives. The soundtrack is taken from performances at a >> remembrance ceremony held for Marya on September 23, 2012. Deepest thanks >> to the friends and relatives who organized and participated in the event. >> >> This piece is obviously quite different from any of the other work on my >> You Tube site. It presented unique challenges, both emotionally and >> aesthetically. I hope this piece brings back good memories for those who >> knew Marya, and provides a sense of her spirit for those who did not. >> >> BTW Some of my photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/ >> **22231918@N06/collections/**72157603627170351/ >> -- >> " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley >> >> Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. >> Video Producer Image Processing Specialist >> Video for your HEAD! Boris FX >> http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com >> >> > --e0cb4efe2ea65a36bc04d268293b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry to hear, Emile.


On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Steven = Clements <sdclements@gmail.com> wrote:

My heart goes out to you Emile.

:= (




On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) <emile@= foryourhead.com> wrote:
Hi folks,

I've posted another video on You Tube at http://youtu.be/563TK6ks7tA -- please excus= e cross postings --- many of you are on more than one of my lists.

"Remembering Marya" is a tribute to my late wife (and companion o= f 23 1/2 years) Marya Wolfman. I think of it as a visual celebration of a l= ife well-lived, but all too finite.

The piece is an =A0animated =A0collage of still images of Marya. I took mos= t of the images taken since I met Marya. Marya's brother Steve provided= most of the archival images, and there are some additional contribution fr= om friends and other relatives. The soundtrack is taken from performances a= t a remembrance ceremony held for Marya on September 23, 2012. Deepest than= ks to the friends and relatives who organized and participated in the event= .

This piece is obviously quite different from any of the other work on my Yo= u Tube site. It presented unique challenges, both emotionally and aesthetic= ally. I hope this piece brings back good memories for those who knew Marya,= and provides a sense of her spirit for those who did not.

BTW Some of my photography can be viewed at htt= p://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/7215760362= 7170351/
--
" Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." =A0-- Paul Bley
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D.
Video Producer =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Image Processing Speciali= st
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--e0cb4efe2ea65a36bc04d268293b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 20:40:31 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC0C7183493; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 20:40:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=9GuA8YiLj87fc3wsSBmGq4W3m3czekgGA1BvAA2p0c4=; b=ccvMih5TRRGvkOGcm+H+uV5y6O5fd/QBqr9eGvqalhVVjEJF46+DsJIm/xThoT2Oaw i15LApWR6H/MPiCWl5wVKH5urrQmgvRQRdLojyuLHcTiL0y2US2MbGdNH/9CwZ/CQFpf iejvsL5JY0+AP8gpjO8iPTUmY8PeDYHXbnnZiAYMe8mV/tF/tZEVXFn2f0qsT6SMDQJz y4PmM5XrbxHr5vnXgbKbcgO23DHl7eTzT7eMnXcuB615V8ntIKaaqyaGYp7ILGjwzMlG qgjGwXzPUY40C9jXJBzPW+8x09ykKQvuAhcra4RXDnOwQNszCHLszUau13zRvJgnj1Of qWZg== MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jean-Paul De Roover Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 15:40:09 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RC-50 / RC-300: replacing guide tracks To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04016cd5a0fbab04d2685f77 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 20:40:30 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04016cd5a0fbab04d2685f77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey Gang, Is it possible to replace the guide/rhythm tracks with another file? I don't need to be able to adjust the pitch on it, so replacing it with a wav file at, say, 120 BPM would be just fine. I'm putting together a live band (3-piece) for some shows and hopefully eventual tour, and I'm trying to come up with some better solutions for click tracks for the drummer. Thanks! -- Jean-Paul De Roover www.jeanpaulderoover.com (807) 251-3376 --f46d04016cd5a0fbab04d2685f77 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Gang,

Is it possible to replace the= guide/rhythm tracks with another file? I don't need to be able to adju= st the pitch on it, so replacing it with a wav file at, say, 120 BPM would = be just fine.=A0

I'm putting together a live band (3-piece) for some= shows and hopefully eventual tour, and I'm trying to come up with some= better solutions for click tracks for the drummer.=A0

Thanks!

--
Jean-Paul De Roover
= www.jeanpauld= eroover.com
(807) 251-3376
--f46d04016cd5a0fbab04d2685f77-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 20:55:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79A50183494; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 20:55:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :message-id:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to :x-gm-message-state; bh=UTbIkk/6kkyFxrdP585j1mNsiYhmK5lFHendcC75+d4=; b=ctjC/lNalyhfFAdClsaSN9M249U5yXPNf4+LPE2ge5k3rIWKB2HaKPWOq/aALaheNP xT8YkHgin79gl7Yp2Xhgg6OQg5Pq8sjGng/ZxP+mcUMDy0KQ3v8FnTgPV6CYCjf4a1k8 pKiyb1KkmW4aCU+H74EmvcwIFt1JjFcrSpdV08N1suqro67GZqWZn/1TbUfJB51vyc+t DOlnzvmrmU6yitaoBZ5/6103gXR9p+NPJvtV6QVPy090jXX6mwvF/CArbPAcTZ/1OUgh m7GuHRaoGbJU+xpKYcNFah9FlJpUlxyCOnWhrcfvCKTiM97fsbktJec1+cvJHW7OlBzo 6YRA== X-Received: by 10.49.132.199 with SMTP id ow7mr33523537qeb.56.1357246505678; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 12:55:05 -0800 (PST) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-F8CB3F2B-21D7-4700-8618-4D0923AFCD21 Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10A523) From: "Teddyjam.com" Subject: Re: RC-50 / RC-300: replacing guide tracks Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 15:55:03 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmiTWSC9EhjDOI8EDRdWWPh5hU2cuOs4ZLE4CMW5HVGOPIB+EtoVTyql7OWg61XuZcclk20 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 20:55:06 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-F8CB3F2B-21D7-4700-8618-4D0923AFCD21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I use the rc50 that way. You can load in a click of your choice as a wave bu= t it takes up a phrase and you lose some flexibility. I put the machine in 2= /4 time which gives you a choice of stick click which is not available is ot= her time sigs. You can still do odd times if you do the math. By the way I saw your balcony show, great work man!!! Teddy Kumpel http://teddyjam.com On Jan 3, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Jean-Paul De Roover wrot= e: > Hey Gang, >=20 > Is it possible to replace the guide/rhythm tracks with another file? I don= 't need to be able to adjust the pitch on it, so replacing it with a wav fil= e at, say, 120 BPM would be just fine.=20 >=20 > I'm putting together a live band (3-piece) for some shows and hopefully ev= entual tour, and I'm trying to come up with some better solutions for click t= racks for the drummer.=20 >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > --=20 > Jean-Paul De Roover > www.jeanpaulderoover.com > (807) 251-3376 --Apple-Mail-F8CB3F2B-21D7-4700-8618-4D0923AFCD21 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I use the rc50 that way. You can load in a click of your choice as a wave but it takes up a phrase and you lose some flexibility. I put the machine in 2/4 time which gives you a choice of stick click which is not available is other time sigs. You can still do odd times if you do the math.

By the way I saw your balcony show, great work man!!!

Teddy Kumpel

On Jan 3, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Jean-Paul De Roover <j.de.roover@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Gang,

Is it possible to replace the guide/rhythm tracks with another file? I don't need to be able to adjust the pitch on it, so replacing it with a wav file at, say, 120 BPM would be just fine. 

I'm putting together a live band (3-piece) for some shows and hopefully eventual tour, and I'm trying to come up with some better solutions for click tracks for the drummer. 

Thanks!

--
Jean-Paul De Roover
www.jeanpaulderoover.com
(807) 251-3376
--Apple-Mail-F8CB3F2B-21D7-4700-8618-4D0923AFCD21-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 00:48:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1AF318348F; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 00:48:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=r4H0u2sPaJAkY4nSHXtFdCboc97rbOF6OH5/gC5JRxo=; b=x8UmVkllKae8M+JVJodXzhyfaS8tZkOx9xJPs4lMRbCz0uXyvJ/gOwTUcr3Pl2aUAF xrJ/AO02R34vS+EiDAasw6BzYAFsb19YqCoVUKnWgW/OzEf7rzvKb10uG28TkFVSo1vk skuJj91qUktDsSpMZvwuNx7LY0KWCSTJTSY4eDHRRzi+irS5lVUrGOS2pcMEwq+C1zj5 wJ1ggnQytQKpFAbE9eRnEGI/bqgnJtE19h+JTL6Zu1Pzj708knRyb5BEJAjY8heOwPF6 CRzEUUeKuK1YQ8VKacKPP0PiKWSSjCKYfj4x1xl92TDBbC/gdAzE0kDtUr24We0/Y/XJ 2GiQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Jean-Paul De Roover Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 19:48:04 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RC-50 / RC-300: replacing guide tracks To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d040715d53d8aba04d26bd6ca Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 00:48:25 +0000 (UTC) --f46d040715d53d8aba04d26bd6ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Teddy, I'm glad you liked it! My concern is; can it be done without taking up a phrase? That way all 3 phrases are clear, and an uploaded wav file is playable by engaging the tempo track on/off. Good to know about the 2/4 stick click, thanks! On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Teddyjam.com wrote: > I use the rc50 that way. You can load in a click of your choice as a wave > but it takes up a phrase and you lose some flexibility. I put the machine > in 2/4 time which gives you a choice of stick click which is not available > is other time sigs. You can still do odd times if you do the math. > > By the way I saw your balcony show, great work man!!! > > Teddy Kumpel > http://teddyjam.com > > On Jan 3, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Jean-Paul De Roover > wrote: > > Hey Gang, > > Is it possible to replace the guide/rhythm tracks with another file? I > don't need to be able to adjust the pitch on it, so replacing it with a wav > file at, say, 120 BPM would be just fine. > > I'm putting together a live band (3-piece) for some shows and hopefully > eventual tour, and I'm trying to come up with some better solutions for > click tracks for the drummer. > > Thanks! > > -- > Jean-Paul De Roover > www.jeanpaulderoover.com > (807) 251-3376 > > -- Jean-Paul De Roover www.jeanpaulderoover.com (807) 251-3376 --f46d040715d53d8aba04d26bd6ca Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Teddy, I'm glad you liked it!

My concern is; can it be done without taking up a phrase? That way all 3 = phrases are clear, and an uploaded wav file is playable by engaging the tem= po track on/off.=A0

Good to know about the 2/4 stick click, thanks!


On Thu, J= an 3, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Teddyjam.com <teddy@teddyjam.com> wr= ote:
I use the rc50 that w= ay. You can load in a click of your choice as a wave but it takes up a phra= se and you lose some flexibility. I put the machine in 2/4 time which gives= you a choice of stick click which is not available is other time sigs. You= can still do odd times if you do the math.

By the way I saw your balcony show, great work man!!!
Teddy Kumpel

On Jan 3, = 2013, at 3:40 PM, Jean-Paul De Roover <j.de.roover@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Gang,
Is it possible to replace the guide/rhythm tracks with another = file? I don't need to be able to adjust the pitch on it, so replacing i= t with a wav file at, say, 120 BPM would be just fine.=A0

I'm putting together a live band (3-piece) for some= shows and hopefully eventual tour, and I'm trying to come up with some= better solutions for click tracks for the drummer.=A0

Thanks!

--
Jean-Paul De Roover
= www.jeanpauld= eroover.com
(807) 251-3376



--
Jean-Paul De Roover
www.jeanpaulderoover.com
(807) 25= 1-3376
--f46d040715d53d8aba04d26bd6ca-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 01:54:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D51AD183493; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 01:54:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :message-id:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to :x-gm-message-state; bh=ZBfGrz2dDQgxfTyPSrMnqG3cOsgV5XKGCQg3QyDxrTg=; b=jupfI4+mQDhUJaKRrZW1T1vnI0dIOuYbKsIQzMAAZZJdWjq8oxVcEk8rGbE2EhcNpz oXcaIbHpWkJ5/OPI+Q8CgGVIcX8Lul2Z4FKtghg/DKVSUbYCfanvg8ueyRMq6hV8Tu5r 2Rq5fRVnElq9kufb8EnSoexwhrALyGxkzOJFUk5UB6/fBEAAlJJPePHwjFnli7LtBTCy 2JJpFFJ17e7b2mm9CgyT2J95XWtiIlnhMWG4Fr5xSVAoqpFDLyBeqfoECYB7G8qVGFGn d8oKMjsvhjsN3EnGtiAM4Cd2Tk/kU1ua3vcoRgndBTEasbpCBv/EnZSWNTA/ap1PIl/g M/DQ== X-Received: by 10.42.55.69 with SMTP id u5mr16523553icg.28.1357264453904; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 17:54:13 -0800 (PST) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4DB49A99-38D0-47A2-BF8F-C49480B1F8B7 Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10A523) From: "Teddyjam.com" Subject: Re: RC-50 / RC-300: replacing guide tracks Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 20:54:07 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn3f4g26Ar7Kvqo5n/0u3BIhhxS0ntSYVO4LXeefyO+FGxnVJH6W+X/45ZZBjRdOsBbnI25 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 01:54:14 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4DB49A99-38D0-47A2-BF8F-C49480B1F8B7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No custom click without taking up a phrase... Unless u meet the Japanese peo= ple who built and convince them to make an alternate chip with a real gosh d= arn click on it... Believe me, I've asked about 600 times... Teddy Kumpel http://teddyjam.com On Jan 3, 2013, at 7:48 PM, Jean-Paul De Roover wrot= e: > Thanks Teddy, I'm glad you liked it! >=20 > My concern is; can it be done without taking up a phrase? That way all 3 p= hrases are clear, and an uploaded wav file is playable by engaging the tempo= track on/off.=20 >=20 > Good to know about the 2/4 stick click, thanks! >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Teddyjam.com wrote: >> I use the rc50 that way. You can load in a click of your choice as a wave= but it takes up a phrase and you lose some flexibility. I put the machine i= n 2/4 time which gives you a choice of stick click which is not available is= other time sigs. You can still do odd times if you do the math. >>=20 >> By the way I saw your balcony show, great work man!!! >>=20 >> Teddy Kumpel >> http://teddyjam.com >>=20 >> On Jan 3, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Jean-Paul De Roover w= rote: >>=20 >>> Hey Gang, >>>=20 >>> Is it possible to replace the guide/rhythm tracks with another file? I d= on't need to be able to adjust the pitch on it, so replacing it with a wav f= ile at, say, 120 BPM would be just fine.=20 >>>=20 >>> I'm putting together a live band (3-piece) for some shows and hopefully e= ventual tour, and I'm trying to come up with some better solutions for click= tracks for the drummer.=20 >>>=20 >>> Thanks! >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> Jean-Paul De Roover >>> www.jeanpaulderoover.com >>> (807) 251-3376 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Jean-Paul De Roover > www.jeanpaulderoover.com > (807) 251-3376 --Apple-Mail-4DB49A99-38D0-47A2-BF8F-C49480B1F8B7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
No custom click without taking up a phrase... Unless u meet the Japanese people who built and convince them to make an alternate chip with a real gosh darn click on it... Believe me, I've asked about 600 times...

Teddy Kumpel

On Jan 3, 2013, at 7:48 PM, Jean-Paul De Roover <j.de.roover@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Teddy, I'm glad you liked it!

My concern is; can it be done without taking up a phrase? That way all 3 phrases are clear, and an uploaded wav file is playable by engaging the tempo track on/off. 

Good to know about the 2/4 stick click, thanks!


On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Teddyjam.com <teddy@teddyjam.com> wrote:
I use the rc50 that way. You can load in a click of your choice as a wave but it takes up a phrase and you lose some flexibility. I put the machine in 2/4 time which gives you a choice of stick click which is not available is other time sigs. You can still do odd times if you do the math.

By the way I saw your balcony show, great work man!!!

Teddy Kumpel

On Jan 3, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Jean-Paul De Roover <j.de.roover@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Gang,

Is it possible to replace the guide/rhythm tracks with another file? I don't need to be able to adjust the pitch on it, so replacing it with a wav file at, say, 120 BPM would be just fine. 

I'm putting together a live band (3-piece) for some shows and hopefully eventual tour, and I'm trying to come up with some better solutions for click tracks for the drummer. 

Thanks!

--
Jean-Paul De Roover
www.jeanpaulderoover.com
(807) 251-3376



--
Jean-Paul De Roover
www.jeanpaulderoover.com
(807) 251-3376
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The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Flickering Fuel on Dark Meadow Recordings." WDIY Announcement: http://wdiy.org/post/next-galactic-travels-2013-01-10 Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 00:50:23 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7849183492; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 00:50:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=Wm/EjI6ZcBiVhwvh7gKAGLz6efWAXtRSVi3jMtITxRE=; b=l8eIJu+XG3EgCNvOJv9kH24m452Ai7VXF5rrdKm0bmgTTRGaCSz4abaPirt2XLxegj KzWYi6EuVKNCTZVN92/Z7zt2SranHwNNolRVJ86+B/OxestZD/x3gXON1NuaXkTNJv0c LYBtA0Mx2AO1aTcR6hMKUwduj+SxaC2uLprts1m82sLDO+DZvLFG2sWM9etETx6vGdJw qgtxUKBnWWJoqoUo/1btUKg76MlODBrRtwPhKLxYsx57Uni6HfZnHXWAN6n3hDmlJ5I9 Ty/93LLJojuXksj5xtlv7RasvdevA9bWcBaVjcxef/GGVrRaNYT8EKmFOSy2N7LWEnFs a3lg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 01:50:02 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: _H2KuHuytqLCfRM9UKnBdILCu_g Message-ID: Subject: Multibenders! To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b10c8611f9df404d27ffb07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 00:50:23 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b10c8611f9df404d27ffb07 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Im not sure but this might only be directed at Bill... I just got a Duesenberg Multibender in the post. Just about to install it, and I was wondering what are the most useful down-bends and up-bends that people have tried? I bought one extra bar, totalling 3, and was thinking of doing G string up a semi, and B up a half step, that I believe is a classic, and the extra bar was just gonna be for a down bend somewhere, maybe just the low E, not for a country sound just some twang.. Any other combinations? Im thinking there must be a sweet combo where one string gos down while another goes up...? Mark -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b10c8611f9df404d27ffb07 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Im not sure but this might only be directed at Bill...
= I just got a Duesenberg Multibender in the post. Just about to install it, = and I was wondering what are the most useful down-bends and up-bends that p= eople have tried?

I bought one extra bar, totalling 3, and was thinking of doing G string= up a semi, and B up a half step, that I believe is a classic, and the extr= a bar was just gonna be for a down bend somewhere, maybe just the low E, no= t for a country sound just some twang..

Any other combinations? Im thinking there must be a sweet co= mbo where one string gos down while another goes up...?
--047d7b10c8611f9df404d27ffb07-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 03:36:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CE0C183494; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 03:36:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=foeE/yEf c=1 sm=1 a=UncmS/Am0Fgh8c8TZh5eWA==:17 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=Obr9ocF0sj4A:10 a=gB28bEPOAAAA:8 a=VFLBUs1HAAAA:8 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=EzJUUNTIAAAA:8 a=JAralIE_AAAA:8 a=9zbO7YLTMbIHuya9q80A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=UncmS/Am0Fgh8c8TZh5eWA==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Subject: Re: OT Multibenders! From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 19:36:01 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <57592409-B6EC-4B91-9242-F7B112ECBCD6@charter.net> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 03:36:03 +0000 (UTC) Mark, I'd be interested in knowing a little more about those too. I have a spare Tele that would be a good candidate for that kind of = thing. Please share whatever info you find out (if it doesn't get posted to = this list). Thanks! Ted On Jan 4, 2013, at 4:50 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Im not sure but this might only be directed at Bill... > I just got a Duesenberg Multibender in the post. Just about to install = it, and I was wondering what are the most useful down-bends and up-bends = that people have tried? >=20 > I bought one extra bar, totalling 3, and was thinking of doing G = string up a semi, and B up a half step, that I believe is a classic, and = the extra bar was just gonna be for a down bend somewhere, maybe just = the low E, not for a country sound just some twang.. >=20 > Any other combinations? Im thinking there must be a sweet combo where = one string gos down while another goes up...? >=20 > Mark >=20 > --=20 > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 19:01:00 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07ECC183494; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 19:00:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 851825.1952.bm@omp1067.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1357412458; bh=bylVOh84nZUOewFsffR/auDYHfbEmT/ZELuoLZ+erB8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TW/98ymX2Y3g+JupSYalBSli3L1SlIKWiaPW/jAvGpHYksqygIkoK5xkTs5+pYixR4j7KAK/q2c0lTBVdA1d1ZoOp77y1fGmwV/zeRZQ6bucvyb9WMx5WMi5USh05gJF6HPx5aZrUm13HbjLTS4KmNKGopyyrbfJxrdxqMZKJuE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WpsdWx0PwzGRnjIAEVuw58Qk+nu4yXxZjzkjVpCQ00CTjJOpkEAzxjcr5w6IEyd3oc3l6ih3tOJoh9Lc5iNkPHHgu7Ec2jn8hBLOsiMSIZyT9q+xh9CL7FsBZVb3wfx6u7GqU7x4zRV4TTE3pByb+pw8wZpGsfUN+HNygcKazEc=; X-YMail-OSG: okrqfWUVM1mli.iUM_qdipg.ROCu5XKLybDisASZBuV778q 93zaBj26SCXTaUS6n6N.mcDdiDBQjtvvX07S9mPvcVb6DCo9VV2xEvuTm.Jf IsMq_7YtHfz97gMo2.J17xwUEl9SmXFsjMogRHK9wRIj3rY.vn8.q1dLyY7o WSGyMEu8nOVEpfaTULZ2XfmUPKB0NYAqJ.KoPpLUTr71vz1GgizHb1_OJT1v 4UNSAJ.4EqZLTvtC28j9ExAsrMY9UbZcfS7ctwoaWX16kfIvB_nsFX70QChT nQWT4yhTEyAiusXUfSDM6D_zw9wqWu3fIvAQwe1jt12uRl5t8WIx9M6ByPtu 1Gg0EEU_j7niuBWxOu3nIIZjKy10eXFVhtKeMLSDs3rvGhsksq9LsB2ZIfdW N.Opq8CQf7p0sBirZxfghTV8jbDJIO0oFL7nFwQnmSnFw1Y0s2ST29hgk1xP ALx5vhL.ecioxzy0fUavz_dsp8pelLDfvjPsOKZg2GMKE7qqZP1KCQmK9upf GGwNvW1paKyew56gp0GDwhCWWvvOtTwUeaQGJPEHXncUQ6tuGFM3bBv6LxXw ruj8RSZFg3aOLRBABJ82bG5JY0cnV57TBZWr9qp_gNsdONa.18JYBjc1l6kU rtRJvLor5PgNOlZcznjbTCDIZhdQs_qHqTzDuHASTlnKEz_l3C4pbvbJ.EtL 5D44TG1uCBUQESrYqpWn6kxSWLRpOHQltfdHruYaseBja42VirNMS40.ZkHk h3VD2pJqeS9diq4.YE7sk3zktKTQSH_ha5VYaU26yp3R4wq3AgKQV3o.B4DY l X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,SSBoYXZlIGJlZW4gdGhpbmtpbmcgYWJvdXQgaW5zdGFsbGluZyBvbmUgb2YgdGhlc2UuIEkgbGlrZSBvcGVuIEcsIGlmIHlvdSByYWlzZSB0aGUgbWlkZGxlIEQgdG8gYW4gRSBpdCBnaXZlcyB5b3UgYSBuaWNlIG1pbm9yIGNob3JkICggYSBiYXIgc2xhbnQgaGVyZSBzdHJpbmdzIDUtNC0zIGdpdmVzIHlvdSBhIDl0aCksIHlvdSBjYW4gZHJvcCB0aGUgbWlkZGxlIEcgZm9yIGEgN3RoLCBhbmQgcmFpc2luZyB0aGUgaGlnaCBCIHRvIEMgaXMgYSBjbGFzc2ljIHBlZGFsIHN0ZWVsIHRvbmUuCgpFcmljCgoKCgoBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.129.483 References: <57592409-B6EC-4B91-9242-F7B112ECBCD6@charter.net> Message-ID: <1357412458.3955.YahooMailNeo@web121603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 11:00:58 -0800 (PST) From: E Gross Reply-To: E Gross Subject: Re: OT Multibenders! To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <57592409-B6EC-4B91-9242-F7B112ECBCD6@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1682663710-1599048735-1357412458=:3955" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 19:00:59 +0000 (UTC) ---1682663710-1599048735-1357412458=:3955 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have been thinking about installing one of these. I like open G, if you raise the middle D to an E it gives you a nice minor chord ( a bar slant here strings 5-4-3 gives you a 9th), you can drop the middle G for a 7th, and raising the high B to C is a classic pedal steel tone. Eric >________________________________ > From: Ted Killian >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 10:36 PM >Subject: Re: OT Multibenders! > >Mark, > >I'd be interested in knowing a little more about those too. > >I have a spare Tele that would be a good candidate for that kind of thing. > >Please share whatever info you find out (if it doesn't get posted to this list). > >Thanks! > >Ted > >On Jan 4, 2013, at 4:50 PM, mark francombe wrote: > >> Im not sure but this might only be directed at Bill... >> I just got a Duesenberg Multibender in the post. Just about to install it, and I was wondering what are the most useful down-bends and up-bends that people have tried? >> >> I bought one extra bar, totalling 3, and was thinking of doing G string up a semi, and B up a half step, that I believe is a classic, and the extra bar was just gonna be for a down bend somewhere, maybe just the low E, not for a country sound just some twang.. >> >> Any other combinations? Im thinking there must be a sweet combo where one string gos down while another goes up...? >> >> Mark >> >> -- >> Mark Francombe >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > > > ---1682663710-1599048735-1357412458=:3955 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I have been thinking about installing one of these. I like open G, if you raise the middle D to an E it gives you a nice minor chord ( a bar slant here strings 5-4-3 gives you a 9th), you can drop the middle G for a 7th, and raising the high B to C is a classic pedal steel tone.

Eric



From: Ted Killian <tedkillian@charter.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: OT Multibenders!

Mark,

I'd be interested in knowing a little more about those too.

I have a spare Tele that would be a good candidate for that kind of thing.

Please share whatever info you find out (if it doesn't get posted to this list).

Thanks!

Ted

On Jan 4, 2013, at 4:50 PM, mark francombe wrote:

> Im not sure but this might only be directed at Bill...
> I just got a Duesenberg Multibender in the post. Just about to install it, and I was wondering what are the most useful down-bends and up-bends that people have tried?
>
> I bought one extra bar, totalling 3, and was thinking of doing G string up a semi, and B up a half step, that I believe is a classic, and the extra bar was just gonna be for a down bend somewhere, maybe just the low E, not for a country sound just some twang..
>
> Any other combinations? Im thinking there must be a sweet combo where one string gos down while another goes up...?
>
> Mark
>
> --
> Mark Francombe
> www.markfrancombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao.com
> http://vimeo.com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no
> twitter @markfrancombe
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/



---1682663710-1599048735-1357412458=:3955-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 18:41:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D0CE183493; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 18:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 580 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 18:41:03 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=R19KFszMUOwI39ETMKV9YLRb1lkz5jh7z/nI1DTHdW2D2DvaV20yj2raM0CXI+FD; h=Received:From:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Subject:Message-Id:Date:To:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; From: Cara Quinn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Upcoming NAMM Message-Id: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 10:31:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-ELNK-Trace: 6b863c64b7cad57866423f13a3a05d4c239a348a220c260999a73345ba8e37a523e75ee78bce84d0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.119.66.4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 18:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Hi All! Hope the new year is seeing you well. Emile, my deepest condolences and = best wishes to you and yours. I'm wondering if any of us are planning any type of get-together for = Winter NAMM this year? I'd love to meet / catch up with folks! :) I'll be spending a fair bit of time at / near the Parker Guitars booth = as they've been most kind in inviting me. So please do stop by and say = hello if you're in the vicinity and are so inclined. :) Looking forward to saying hi! Have a great day!=85 Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 19:00:34 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9063183491; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 19:00:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=fTNLm18QncHZLaEOImrFU2iXY5aN4xy3ESbZ0Gj9am8=; b=GjWvSf+Z0U10hDzC8e98C3Xl3CbgeANZnT121Xvv5R9GA9zxhyWatOHf32wlx4YLII O0uxxBUptmNpgi8LSvZ9A4OIOwU5iE76qikv3rcvRB5piqyoZXVWbiRnPYaRraeS/0tj ZkUCxF8Em4OHTnOz1HJntrdtqdsg0s/zFLXknz3V1qDE3b8vp6iLROZA7KLAuNolTESL /C7dsMkRm5HjcK36l+9RFyWWnvZwz8K0XQMEjBf0YYW06JbDTgWcG9yOCuGJJlqmgKEI 8sZFP2tf5XjG/Gok0ZLp74XSfpE35PClm391sRS5j80MRPU8xltr3wmUNlmVUjh+Jl2X rB0g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.149.196 with SMTP id uc4mr3916977igb.74.1357498833900; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 11:00:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 11:00:33 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Upcoming NAMM From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f3b9ccfc712c704d2a353be Resent-Message-ID: <0EjN1B.A.Wz.Snc6QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 19:00:34 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f3b9ccfc712c704d2a353be Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable where will namm be? On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Cara Quinn wrote= : > Hi All! > > Hope the new year is seeing you well. Emile, my deepest condolences and > best wishes to you and yours. > > I'm wondering if any of us are planning any type of get-together for > Winter NAMM this year? I'd love to meet / catch up with folks! :) > > I'll be spending a fair bit of time at / near the Parker Guitars booth as > they've been most kind in inviting me. So please do stop by and say hello > if you're in the vicinity and are so inclined. :) > > Looking forward to saying hi! > > Have a great day!=85 > > Smiles, > > Cara :) > --- > View my Online Portfolio at: > > http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn > > Follow me on Twitter! > > https://twitter.com/ModelCara > > --- > View my Online Portfolio at: > http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn > > --=20 http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238 My Music: - http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27 - www.soundcloud.com/k3z My Photography: http://www.flickr.com/photos/k3z/ --e89a8f3b9ccfc712c704d2a353be Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable where will namm be?


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=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Hi All!

Hope the new year is seeing you well. Emile, my deepest condolences and bes= t wishes to you and yours.

I'm wondering if any of us are planning any type of get-together for Wi= nter NAMM this year? I'd love to meet / catch up with folks! :)

I'll be spending a fair bit of time at / near the Parker Guitars booth = as they've been most kind in inviting me. So please do stop by and say = hello if you're in the vicinity and are so inclined. :)

Looking forward to saying hi!

Have a great day!=85

Smiles,

Cara :)
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--e89a8f3b9ccfc712c704d2a353be-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 19:51:08 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32BC518348F; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 19:51:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Multibenders! Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 11:51:01 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 19:51:08 +0000 (UTC) hey Mark, that is awesome. First of all i assume its going on a regular guitar? as you know mine is on a lap steel so all of my adjustments are based on open tunings of various stripes that i use. With that said I have only used two levers , one on the G and one on the B string, and I've only set it up for string pulls, usually a 1/2 step or whole step bend on either string specific to which tuning I'm using. I have a third lever as well but I haven't even installed it yet. As I understand wound strings are better for drop tunings, and I believe a bit problematic for up bends. At some point i might add the third lever on the high E string as a drop tuner, in major tunings to drop to the major or b7. Just getting the hang of 2 levers has been occupying my time just fine:-) here are some of the tunings I use with the pitch change settings in parenthesis D major tuning low to high D, A, D, F# (+1/2, for sus, +1, for lydian#4), A (+1 for maj 6), D D sus 2 tuning D, A, D, E (+1/2, for b3, +1, for maj 3rd), A ( 1/2 for b6, +1 for maj 6), D D minor tuning D, A, D, F (+1/2, for maj 3rd, +1, for sus 4), A ( 1/2 for b6, +1 for maj 6), D D sus 4 D, A, D, G (+1/2, for b5, +1, for 5th), A ( +1 for maj 6), D i also use variants of these in C and also in open G and its mutations as well, moving to E requires lighter gauge strings than I like to use for lap steel playing but i've gotten good results when i did, i would recommend you start with the current gauge of strings you like to use. it seems that the heavier the gauge the less up or down maximum range you can get and the strings are under heavier tension as well so breaking them is easier and keeping the strings fresh particularly on the levered strings is important. as a general rule anythin higher tna a major second up bend is riskier for string breaking have fun Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 21:04:17 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4943183491; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 21:04:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=e0aHa3YMgo8d6dhfMyoHANj6mu63a4i3VjYags3cynI=; b=p+ClWVSR6AQxlO4GeywwEnFanmHWs19RMly26FoJ/gaOAXywSDrq+ccthSF8PjWPwr IEjFjF2n7Npu1tIIdTWVwK4vWN5/xP6tFsIXpq0+gJQlU7/973oUpeCC5HK+YCW6iPuP QDs+W8ilVvm99Br5X686+9ilKSfIQsv4gIv6TfIpJmwq56uoSxRS3qUwGR1Eq0ay9T+C n8QDQqO3AjBa4aqbnwz/Qr04l4WpkxixgA5Wv3OiuGmQWQxKzZ0kQ/XbkWSS81mmNPs5 +gObde1VK4XldTOh73TnsQs9O2+1RFyVCpV02rEk0vwprdEy4MoUNfXt1Ie34Ek0lbDW vglA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 22:03:56 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 826bpt2ELoV3uBoeoFPeakLyY5E Message-ID: Subject: Re: Multibenders! To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1bf66353e9504d2a50eba Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 21:04:17 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8ff1bf66353e9504d2a50eba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Bill, Thats fantastic! That infos a keeper... Straight into Evernote! I am having a lot o fun already, although the installation wasn't completely without issues, and I do need to tweak a bit. Firstly Im installing on my Baritone, so all the strings are thicker and actually I swapped strings this time for some coated shit, (Damn that sales guy... Ive been using Ernie Ball for 20 years.. now my finger tips hurt!!!) that I think are EVEN THICKER!! The upshot was that some of the strings wouldnt go into the bend handles slot, wither of them, up OR down. AND the slip wheels under the bridge also caused some obstruction. I have to file out my lowest arm slot a bit. But still.. the top two arms are working fine and Im using then the same as you on the B and G strings, ATM I have them both set to one tone up, and have accidentally come across a few pedal steel-ish licks already. My aim however is NOT to go all country on ya'all... I was intrigued by the multibend idea simply because that is very similar to how I play guitar anyway, I form a chord, and then move one finger up or down. (think Velvet Underground or Spiritulized). However, I do like the simplicity of the county sound, that one string twangs up to a new tone and creates that shimmer. Even tho my guitar will be normal tuning (for a bari) I love how this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcSBKjCyXDU gets some nice variation, just out of one chord (hes tuned, I could easily just hold a chord) ... Also when looping, one doesnt have to think about playing all the time, its nice to have some new sounds right there, made in hardware... rather than a patch!! Thanks Bill, gonna check all these out.. M On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 8:51 PM, William Walker wrote: > hey Mark, that is awesome. First of all i assume its going on a regular > guitar? as you know mine is on a lap steel so all of my adjustments are > based on open tunings of various stripes that i use. With that said I have > only used two levers , one on the G and one on the B string, and I've only > set it up for string pulls, usually a 1/2 step or whole step bend on either > string specific to which tuning I'm using. I have a third lever as well but > I haven't even installed it yet. As I understand wound strings are better > for drop tunings, and I believe a bit problematic for up bends. At some > point i might add the third lever on the high E string as a drop tuner, in > major tunings to drop to the major or b7. Just getting the hang of 2 levers > has been occupying my time just fine:-) > here are some of the tunings I use with the pitch change settings in > parenthesis > > D major tuning low to high D, A, D, F# (+1/2, for sus, +1, for > lydian#4), A (+1 for maj 6), D > D sus 2 tuning D, A, D, E (+1/2, for b3, +1, > for maj 3rd), A ( 1/2 for b6, +1 for maj 6), D > D minor tuning D, A, D, F (+1/2, for maj 3rd, > +1, for sus 4), A ( 1/2 for b6, +1 for maj 6), D > D sus 4 D, A, D, G (+1/2, for b5, > +1, for 5th), A ( +1 for maj 6), D > i also use variants of these in C and also in open G and its mutations as > well, moving to E requires lighter gauge strings than I like to use for lap > steel playing but i've gotten good results when i did, i would recommend > you start with the current gauge of strings you like to use. it seems that > the heavier the gauge the less up or down maximum range you can get and the > strings are under heavier tension as well so breaking them is easier and > keeping the strings fresh particularly on the levered strings is important. > as a general rule anythin higher tna a major second up bend is riskier for > string breaking > have fun > Bill > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --e89a8ff1bf66353e9504d2a50eba Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Bill, Thats fantastic! That infos a keeper... Strai= ght into Evernote!
I am having a lot o fun already,=A0although=A0the ins= tallation=A0wasn't=A0completely without issues, and I do need to tweak = a bit.

Firstly Im installing on my Baritone, so all the strings are= thicker and actually I swapped strings this time for some coated shit, (Da= mn that sales guy... Ive been using Ernie Ball for 20 years.. now my finger= tips hurt!!!) =A0that I think are EVEN THICKER!!

The upshot was that some of the strings wouldnt go into= the bend handles slot, wither of them, up OR down. AND the slip wheels und= er the bridge also caused some obstruction. I have to file out my lowest ar= m slot a bit.
But still.. the top two arms are working fine and Im using then = the same as you on the B and G strings, ATM I have them both set to one ton= e up, and have accidentally come across a few pedal steel-ish licks already= . My aim however is NOT to go all country on ya'all... I was intrigued = by the multibend idea simply because that is very=A0similar=A0to how I play= guitar anyway, I form a chord, and then move one finger up or down. (think= Velvet Underground or Spiritulized).

However, I do like the simplicity of the co= unty sound, that one string twangs up to a new tone and creates that shimme= r. Even tho my guitar will be normal tuning (for a bari) I love how this gu= y
http://= www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DVcSBKjCyXDU gets some nice variation, just ou= t of one chord (hes tuned, I could easily just hold a chord) ...
<= div style>
Also when looping, one doesnt have to think about play= ing all the time, its nice to have some new sounds right there, made in har= dware... rather than a patch!!

Thanks = Bill, gonna check all these out..

M



On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at= 8:51 PM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote= :
hey Mark, that is awesome. First of all i as= sume its going on a regular guitar? as you know mine is on a lap steel so a= ll of my adjustments are based on open tunings of various stripes that i us= e. With that said I have only used two levers , one on the G and one on the= B string, and I've only set it up for string pulls, usually a 1/2 step= or whole step bend on either string specific to which tuning I'm using= . I have a third lever as well but I haven't even installed it yet. As = I understand wound strings are better for drop tunings, and I believe a bit= problematic for up bends. At some point i might add the third lever on the= high E string as a drop tuner, in major tunings to drop to the major or b7= . Just getting the hang of 2 levers has been occupying my time just fine:-)=
here are some of the tunings I use with the pitch change settings in parent= hesis

D major tuning =A0 low to high =A0D, =A0A, D, =A0F# (+1/2, for sus, +1, for= lydian#4), A (+1 for maj 6), =A0D
D sus 2 tuning =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 D, =A0A, D, = =A0E =A0(+1/2, for b3, +1, for maj 3rd), =A0A ( 1/2 for b6, +1 for maj 6), = =A0D
D minor tuning =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0D, =A0A, D, = =A0F =A0(+1/2, for maj 3rd, +1, for sus 4), =A0A ( 1/2 for b6, +1 for maj 6= ), =A0D
D sus 4 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 D, =A0A, D, =A0G =A0(+1/2, for b5, +1, for 5th), =A0A ( =A0+1 for maj = 6), =A0D
=A0i also use variants of these in C and also in open G and its mutations a= s well, moving to E requires lighter gauge strings than I like to use for l= ap steel playing but i've gotten good results when i did, =A0i would re= commend you start with the current gauge of strings you like to use. it see= ms that the heavier the gauge the less up or down maximum range you can get= and the strings are under heavier tension as well so breaking them is easi= er and keeping the strings fresh particularly on the levered strings is imp= ortant. as a general rule anythin higher tna a major second up bend is risk= ier for string breaking
=A0have fun
=A0Bill




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www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-821251416-937493231-1357515400=:50442" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 23:36:42 +0000 (UTC) ---821251416-937493231-1357515400=:50442 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable dang! i'd love to see this, but lately i haven't been able to open ANYTHING= on youtube... just a black rectangle that does not respond. anyone else ha= ving this issue? Tim Mungenast Editor/Writer/Proofreader: www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast Guitarist/Composer/Vocalist: www.reverbnation.com/timmungenast --- On Sun, 1/6/13, mark francombe wrote: From: mark francombe Subject: Re: Multibenders! To: "loopers-delight" Date: Sunday, January 6, 2013, 4:03 PM Thanks Bill, Thats fantastic! That infos a keeper... Straight into Evernote= ! I am having a lot o fun already,=A0although=A0the installation=A0wasn't=A0c= ompletely without issues, and I do need to tweak a bit.=0A=0A Firstly Im installing on my Baritone, so all the strings are thicker and ac= tually I swapped strings this time for some coated shit, (Damn that sales g= uy... Ive been using Ernie Ball for 20 years.. now my finger tips hurt!!!) = =A0that I think are EVEN THICKER!!=0A=0A The upshot was that some of the strings wouldnt go into the bend handles sl= ot, wither of them, up OR down. AND the slip wheels under the bridge also c= aused some obstruction. I have to file out my lowest arm slot a bit.=0A=0AB= ut still.. the top two arms are working fine and Im using then the same as = you on the B and G strings, ATM I have them both set to one tone up, and ha= ve accidentally come across a few pedal steel-ish licks already. My aim how= ever is NOT to go all country on ya'all... I was intrigued by the multibend= idea simply because that is very=A0similar=A0to how I play guitar anyway, = I form a chord, and then move one finger up or down. (think Velvet Undergro= und or Spiritulized).=0A=0A However, I do like the simplicity of the county sound, that one string twan= gs up to a new tone and creates that shimmer. Even tho my guitar will be no= rmal tuning (for a bari) I love how this guy=0A=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/wa= tch?v=3DVcSBKjCyXDU gets some nice variation, just out of one chord (hes tu= ned, I could easily just hold a chord) ... =0A=0A Also when looping, one doesnt have to think about playing all the time, its= nice to have some new sounds right there, made in hardware... rather than = a patch!! Thanks Bill, gonna check all these out..=0A=0A M On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 8:51 PM, William Walker wro= te: =0A=0Ahey Mark, that is awesome. First of all i assume its going on a regul= ar guitar? as you know mine is on a lap steel so all of my adjustments are = based on open tunings of various stripes that i use. With that said I have = only used two levers , one on the G and one on the B string, and I've only = set it up for string pulls, usually a 1/2 step or whole step bend on either= string specific to which tuning I'm using. I have a third lever as well bu= t I haven't even installed it yet. As I understand wound strings are better= for drop tunings, and I believe a bit problematic for up bends. At some po= int i might add the third lever on the high E string as a drop tuner, in ma= jor tunings to drop to the major or b7. Just getting the hang of 2 levers h= as been occupying my time just fine:-) =0A=0A=0Ahere are some of the tunings I use with the pitch change settings = in parenthesis =0A =0AD major tuning =A0 low to high =A0D, =A0A, D, =A0F# (+1/2, for sus, +1, = for lydian#4), A (+1 for maj 6), =A0D =0AD sus 2 tuning =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 D, =A0A, = D, =A0E =A0(+1/2, for b3, +1, for maj 3rd), =A0A ( 1/2 for b6, +1 for maj 6= ), =A0D =0AD minor tuning =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0D, =A0A, D= , =A0F =A0(+1/2, for maj 3rd, +1, for sus 4), =A0A ( 1/2 for b6, +1 for maj= 6), =A0D =0AD sus 4 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 D, =A0A, D, =A0G =A0(+1/2, for b5, +1, for 5th), =A0A ( =A0+1 for m= aj 6), =A0D =0A=A0i also use variants of these in C and also in open G and its mutation= s as well, moving to E requires lighter gauge strings than I like to use fo= r lap steel playing but i've gotten good results when i did, =A0i would rec= ommend you start with the current gauge of strings you like to use. it seem= s that the heavier the gauge the less up or down maximum range you can get = and the strings are under heavier tension as well so breaking them is easie= r and keeping the strings fresh particularly on the levered strings is impo= rtant. as a general rule anythin higher tna a major second up bend is riski= er for string breaking =0A=0A=0A=A0have fun =0A=A0Bill =0A =0A --=20 Mark Francombe =0A=0Awww.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com =0A=0Ahttp://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no =0A=0Atwitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ =0A=0A ---821251416-937493231-1357515400=:50442 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

dang! i'd love to see this, but lately i = haven't been able to open ANYTHING on youtube... just a black rectangle tha= t does not respond. anyone else having this issue?

Tim Mungenast
Editor/Writer/Proofreader: www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast<= br style=3D"font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;">Guitarist/Composer/Vocalist: www.reverbnation.com/timmungenast
--- On Sun, 1/6/13, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>= ; wrote:

From: mark francombe <m= ark@markfrancombe.com>
Subject: Re: Multibenders!
To: "loopers-del= ight" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Date: Sunday, January = 6, 2013, 4:03 PM

Thanks Bi= ll, Thats fantastic! That infos a keeper... Straight into Evernote!
I am= having a lot o fun already, although the installation wasn'= t completely without issues, and I do need to tweak a bit.
=0A=0A<= br>
Firstly Im installing on my Baritone, so all the strings are = thicker and actually I swapped strings this time for some coated shit, (Dam= n that sales guy... Ive been using Ernie Ball for 20 years.. now my finger = tips hurt!!!)  that I think are EVEN THICKER!!
=0A=0A

The upshot was that some of the strings wouldnt go into the bend ha= ndles slot, wither of them, up OR down. AND the slip wheels under the bridg= e also caused some obstruction. I have to file out my lowest arm slot a bit= .
=0A=0A
But still.. the top two arms are working fine = and Im using then the same as you on the B and G strings, ATM I have them b= oth set to one tone up, and have accidentally come across a few pedal steel= -ish licks already. My aim however is NOT to go all country on ya'all... I = was intrigued by the multibend idea simply because that is very simila= r to how I play guitar anyway, I form a chord, and then move one finge= r up or down. (think Velvet Underground or Spiritulized).
=0A=0A

However, I do like the simplicity of th= e county sound, that one string twangs up to a new tone and creates that sh= immer. Even tho my guitar will be normal tuning (for a bari) I love how thi= s guy
=0A=0A
http://www.youtube.com/wa= tch?v=3DVcSBKjCyXDU gets some nice variation, just out of one chord (he= s tuned, I could easily just hold a chord) ...
=0A= =0A
Also when looping, one doesnt have to think ab= out playing all the time, its nice to have some new sounds right there, mad= e in hardware... rather than a patch!!

Thanks Bill, gonna check all these out..
=0A=0A

M



On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 8:51 PM, William Walker <= ;billwalker@baymoon.c= om> wrote:
=0A=0A
hey Mark, that is awesome. First of all i assume its going on a regular = guitar? as you know mine is on a lap steel so all of my adjustments are bas= ed on open tunings of various stripes that i use. With that said I have onl= y used two levers , one on the G and one on the B string, and I've only set= it up for string pulls, usually a 1/2 step or whole step bend on either st= ring specific to which tuning I'm using. I have a third lever as well but I= haven't even installed it yet. As I understand wound strings are better fo= r drop tunings, and I believe a bit problematic for up bends. At some point= i might add the third lever on the high E string as a drop tuner, in major= tunings to drop to the major or b7. Just getting the hang of 2 levers has = been occupying my time just fine:-)
=0A=0A=0Ahere are some of the tuning= s I use with the pitch change settings in parenthesis
=0A
=0AD major = tuning   low to high  D,  A, D,  F# (+1/2, for sus, +1,= for lydian#4), A (+1 for maj 6),  D
=0AD sus 2 tuning    = ;                     D, =  A, D,  E  (+1/2, for b3, +1, for maj 3rd),  A ( 1/2 fo= r b6, +1 for maj 6),  D
=0AD minor tuning       &nbs= p;                D,  A, D, &n= bsp;F  (+1/2, for maj 3rd, +1, for sus 4),  A ( 1/2 for b6, +1 fo= r maj 6),  D
=0AD sus 4             &= nbsp;                    =   D,  A, D,  G  (+1/2, for b5, +1, for 5th),  A (=  +1 for maj 6),  D
=0A i also use variants of these in C= and also in open G and its mutations as well, moving to E requires lighter= gauge strings than I like to use for lap steel playing but i've gotten goo= d results when i did,  i would recommend you start with the current ga= uge of strings you like to use. it seems that the heavier the gauge the les= s up or down maximum range you can get and the strings are under heavier te= nsion as well so breaking them is easier and keeping the strings fresh part= icularly on the levered strings is important. as a general rule anythin hig= her tna a major second up bend is riskier for string breaking
=0A=0A=0A&= nbsp;have fun
=0A Bill
=0A
=0A



--
Mark Francombe
=0A=0Awww.markfrancom= be.com
ww= w.ordoabkhao.com
=0A=0Ahttp://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
=0A=0Atwitter @markf= rancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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---821251416-937493231-1357515400=:50442-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 23:46:49 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF2B0183491; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 23:46:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 352 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 23:46:48 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=sTglYD8xHu7jy5rYWovz98YoASRfnOcxtFtabDuGKlTP8mdcwTcUrGdaCiDfmNdI; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <14894679.1357515655689.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 15:40:55 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Multibenders! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd483f5463056a655365530079f58890a9ba93fe5b2b5bb10998350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.42 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 23:46:48 +0000 (UTC) opened for me and I have the most pitiful 'puter
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From: Tim Mungenast
Sent: Jan 6, 2013 3:36 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Multibenders!


dang! i'd love to see this, but lately i haven't been able to open ANYTHING on youtube... just a black rectangle that does not respond. anyone else having this issue?

Tim Mungenast
Editor/Writer/Proofreader: www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast
Guitarist/Composer/Vocalist: www.reverbnation.com/timmungenast

--- On Sun, 1/6/13, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:

From: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
Subject: Re: Multibenders!
To: "loopers-delight" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Date: Sunday, January 6, 2013, 4:03 PM

Thanks Bill, Thats fantastic! That infos a keeper... Straight into Evernote!
I am having a lot o fun already, although the installation wasn't completely without issues, and I do need to tweak a bit.

Firstly Im installing on my Baritone, so all the strings are thicker and actually I swapped strings this time for some coated shit, (Damn that sales guy... Ive been using Ernie Ball for 20 years.. now my finger tips hurt!!!)  that I think are EVEN THICKER!!

The upshot was that some of the strings wouldnt go into the bend handles slot, wither of them, up OR down. AND the slip wheels under the bridge also caused some obstruction. I have to file out my lowest arm slot a bit.
But still.. the top two arms are working fine and Im using then the same as you on the B and G strings, ATM I have them both set to one tone up, and have accidentally come across a few pedal steel-ish licks already. My aim however is NOT to go all country on ya'all... I was intrigued by the multibend idea simply because that is very similar to how I play guitar anyway, I form a chord, and then move one finger up or down. (think Velvet Underground or Spiritulized).

However, I do like the simplicity of the county sound, that one string twangs up to a new tone and creates that shimmer. Even tho my guitar will be normal tuning (for a bari) I love how this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcSBKjCyXDU gets some nice variation, just out of one chord (hes tuned, I could easily just hold a chord) ...

Also when looping, one doesnt have to think about playing all the time, its nice to have some new sounds right there, made in hardware... rather than a patch!!

Thanks Bill, gonna check all these out..

M



On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 8:51 PM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
hey Mark, that is awesome. First of all i assume its going on a regular guitar? as you know mine is on a lap steel so all of my adjustments are based on open tunings of various stripes that i use. With that said I have only used two levers , one on the G and one on the B string, and I've only set it up for string pulls, usually a 1/2 step or whole step bend on either string specific to which tuning I'm using. I have a third lever as well but I haven't even installed it yet. As I understand wound strings are better for drop tunings, and I believe a bit problematic for up bends. At some point i might add the third lever on the high E string as a drop tuner, in major tunings to drop to the major or b7. Just getting the hang of 2 levers has been occupying my time just fine:-)
here are some of the tunings I use with the pitch change settings in parenthesis

D major tuning   low to high  D,  A, D,  F# (+1/2, for sus, +1, for lydian#4), A (+1 for maj 6),  D
D sus 2 tuning                         D,  A, D,  E  (+1/2, for b3, +1, for maj 3rd),  A ( 1/2 for b6, +1 for maj 6),  D
D minor tuning                        D,  A, D,  F  (+1/2, for maj 3rd, +1, for sus 4),  A ( 1/2 for b6, +1 for maj 6),  D
D sus 4                                     D,  A, D,  G  (+1/2, for b5, +1, for 5th),  A (  +1 for maj 6),  D
 i also use variants of these in C and also in open G and its mutations as well, moving to E requires lighter gauge strings than I like to use for lap steel playing but i've gotten good results when i did,  i would recommend you start with the current gauge of strings you like to use. it seems that the heavier the gauge the less up or down maximum range you can get and the strings are under heavier tension as well so breaking them is easier and keeping the strings fresh particularly on the levered strings is important. as a general rule anythin higher tna a major second up bend is riskier for string breaking
 have fun
 Bill




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On Jan 6, 2013, = at 3:36 PM, Tim Mungenast wrote:

 to open ANYTHING on = youtube... just a black rectangle that does not respond. anyone else = having this issue?


I = think that is a Flash version issue.

I have = that problem because I"m still in OSX 10.5 and the Flash software has = moved along to 10.6 - no Flash updates anymore for 10.5 for Firefox, = Chrome or Safari.

For black rectangles that you = must see, get download software like Keep It! or Savevid -- these will = give access to mp4 files you can save to your = drive.

BobC
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thanks for weighing in... i have a one-ye= ar-old e-machine laptop running the wretched windows 7 via firefox, so i wo= uld be surprised if flash had passed me by already.
this machine is gene= rally cursed since one of those compulsory updates tubed it last month ( cu= rsor jumping from field to field, sudden deletion of entire paragraphs, etc= etc )



--- On Sun, 1/6/13, RP Collier <skeptikalist= @gmail.com> wrote:

From: RP Coll= ier <skeptikalist@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Multibenders!
To: Loo= pers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Sunday, January 6, 2013, 6:48 PM<= br>

On Jan 6, 2013, at 3:36= PM, Tim Mungenast wrote:

 to open ANYTHING on youtube... just a black rectangle th= at does not respond. anyone else having this issue?


I think that is a Flash version issue.
=
I have that problem because I"m still in OSX 10.5 and the Fl= ash software has moved along to 10.6 - no Flash updates anymore for 10.5 fo= r Firefox, Chrome or Safari.

For black rectangles = that you must see, get download software like Keep It! or Savevid -- these will give access to mp4 files you can save to your drive.

BobC
---873129165-2004938759-1357516630=:81178-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 00:40:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9842183490; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 00:40:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3QOIMGF8/V3h0HiCTxht+C0qMW4z7VJio6gLQn2xiQc=; b=GOuJ/CgPiOQxtpKx55BkJcPUSXhaOLPwKG8KkYY0kttpwHp8LAxeU6AsEfIepf2juh Uf1Aoit9AKkqDhZAiBayWBi7gjO5ztJAUlxx10sa6MQAgFvzNwvHFYp7hWAoJZqpLQ6z O7uwZxYi2Zc7HBN5F0xN4ZLHaIM7RgpA2VAiBkDVynLSm/pvjuOkL/xHvT0totJjiMp2 XGi9x9V013tOJqgl86ib+t7OLNMe3b1GPbi1J4eps735KLZaSfOF2vIOYzm5Vpdb8g56 pOW8WW90qK376wfdrax/fvpvpDSdaSIwrmkdpZLF2wbieDIjOBmenAPZ8dPtneVwVKkJ 809w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1357515400.50442.YahooMailClassic@web84512.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1357515400.50442.YahooMailClassic@web84512.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 19:40:53 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Multibenders! From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf303b40c3de461b04d2a8148f Resent-Message-ID: <8_ivLB.A.m7D.Vmh6QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 00:40:53 +0000 (UTC) --20cf303b40c3de461b04d2a8148f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You can try this. 1) Right click on the player > click *Settings* > *Disable*Hardware Acceleration > *Refresh* your Internet Browser 2) Try *closing* your browser and *re-load* the video. good luck Jeff On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 6:36 PM, Tim Mungenast wrote: > > dang! i'd love to see this, but lately i haven't been able to open > ANYTHING on youtube... just a black rectangle that does not respond. anyone > else having this issue? > > Tim Mungenast > Editor/Writer/Proofreader: www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast > Guitarist/Composer/Vocalist: www.reverbnation.com/timmungenast > > --- On *Sun, 1/6/13, mark francombe * wrote: > > > From: mark francombe > Subject: Re: Multibenders! > To: "loopers-delight" > Date: Sunday, January 6, 2013, 4:03 PM > > Thanks Bill, Thats fantastic! That infos a keeper... Straight into > Evernote! > I am having a lot o fun already, although the > installation wasn't completely without issues, and I do need to tweak a bit. > > Firstly Im installing on my Baritone, so all the strings are thicker and > actually I swapped strings this time for some coated shit, (Damn that sales > guy... Ive been using Ernie Ball for 20 years.. now my finger tips hurt!!!) > that I think are EVEN THICKER!! > > The upshot was that some of the strings wouldnt go into the bend handles > slot, wither of them, up OR down. AND the slip wheels under the bridge also > caused some obstruction. I have to file out my lowest arm slot a bit. > But still.. the top two arms are working fine and Im using then the same > as you on the B and G strings, ATM I have them both set to one tone up, and > have accidentally come across a few pedal steel-ish licks already. My aim > however is NOT to go all country on ya'all... I was intrigued by the > multibend idea simply because that is very similar to how I play guitar > anyway, I form a chord, and then move one finger up or down. (think Velvet > Underground or Spiritulized). > > However, I do like the simplicity of the county sound, that one string > twangs up to a new tone and creates that shimmer. Even tho my guitar will > be normal tuning (for a bari) I love how this guy > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcSBKjCyXDU gets some nice variation, just > out of one chord (hes tuned, I could easily just hold a chord) ... > > Also when looping, one doesnt have to think about playing all the time, > its nice to have some new sounds right there, made in hardware... rather > than a patch!! > > Thanks Bill, gonna check all these out.. > > M > > > > On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 8:51 PM, William Walker > > wrote: > > hey Mark, that is awesome. First of all i assume its going on a regular > guitar? as you know mine is on a lap steel so all of my adjustments are > based on open tunings of various stripes that i use. With that said I have > only used two levers , one on the G and one on the B string, and I've only > set it up for string pulls, usually a 1/2 step or whole step bend on either > string specific to which tuning I'm using. I have a third lever as well but > I haven't even installed it yet. As I understand wound strings are better > for drop tunings, and I believe a bit problematic for up bends. At some > point i might add the third lever on the high E string as a drop tuner, in > major tunings to drop to the major or b7. Just getting the hang of 2 levers > has been occupying my time just fine:-) > here are some of the tunings I use with the pitch change settings in > parenthesis > > D major tuning low to high D, A, D, F# (+1/2, for sus, +1, for > lydian#4), A (+1 for maj 6), D > D sus 2 tuning D, A, D, E (+1/2, for b3, +1, > for maj 3rd), A ( 1/2 for b6, +1 for maj 6), D > D minor tuning D, A, D, F (+1/2, for maj 3rd, > +1, for sus 4), A ( 1/2 for b6, +1 for maj 6), D > D sus 4 D, A, D, G (+1/2, for b5, > +1, for 5th), A ( +1 for maj 6), D > i also use variants of these in C and also in open G and its mutations as > well, moving to E requires lighter gauge strings than I like to use for lap > steel playing but i've gotten good results when i did, i would recommend > you start with the current gauge of strings you like to use. it seems that > the heavier the gauge the less up or down maximum range you can get and the > strings are under heavier tension as well so breaking them is easier and > keeping the strings fresh particularly on the levered strings is important. > as a general rule anythin higher tna a major second up bend is riskier for > string breaking > have fun > Bill > > > > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > --20cf303b40c3de461b04d2a8148f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You can try this.

1) Ri= ght click on the player > click Settings > Disable Hard= ware=A0Acceleration > Refresh your Internet Browser
2) Try = closing your browser and re-load the video.


good luck

Jeff

On S= un, Jan 6, 2013 at 6:36 PM, Tim Mungenast <tmungenast@verizon.net= > wrote:

dang! = i'd love to see this, but lately i haven't been able to open ANYTHI= NG on youtube... just a black rectangle that does not respond. anyone else = having this issue?

Tim Mungenast
Editor/Writer/Proofreader: www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast=
Guitarist/Composer/Vocalist: www.reverbnation.com/timm= ungenast

--- On Sun, 1/6/13, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wr= ote:

From: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
Subject: Re: Multibenders!<= br>To: "loopers-delight" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Date: Sunday, January 6, 2013, 4:03 PM

Thanks = Bill, Thats fantastic! That infos a keeper... Straight into Evernote!
I = am having a lot o fun already,=A0although=A0the installation=A0wasn't= =A0completely without issues, and I do need to tweak a bit.

Firstly Im installing on my Baritone, so all the strings are= thicker and actually I swapped strings this time for some coated shit, (Da= mn that sales guy... Ive been using Ernie Ball for 20 years.. now my finger= tips hurt!!!) =A0that I think are EVEN THICKER!!

The upshot was that some of the strings wouldnt go into= the bend handles slot, wither of them, up OR down. AND the slip wheels und= er the bridge also caused some obstruction. I have to file out my lowest ar= m slot a bit.
But still.. the top two arms are working fine and Im using then the sa= me as you on the B and G strings, ATM I have them both set to one tone up, = and have accidentally come across a few pedal steel-ish licks already. My a= im however is NOT to go all country on ya'all... I was intrigued by the= multibend idea simply because that is very=A0similar=A0to how I play guita= r anyway, I form a chord, and then move one finger up or down. (think Velve= t Underground or Spiritulized).

However, I do like the simplicity of the county sound, = that one string twangs up to a new tone and creates that shimmer. Even tho = my guitar will be normal tuning (for a bari) I love how this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DVcSBKjCyXDU gets= some nice variation, just out of one chord (hes tuned, I could easily just= hold a chord) ...

Also when looping, one doesnt have to think about playing al= l the time, its nice to have some new sounds right there, made in hardware.= .. rather than a patch!!

Thanks Bill, gonna check = all these out..

M



On Sun, J= an 6, 2013 at 8:51 PM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
hey Mark, that is awesome. First of all i assume its going on a re= gular guitar? as you know mine is on a lap steel so all of my adjustments a= re based on open tunings of various stripes that i use. With that said I ha= ve only used two levers , one on the G and one on the B string, and I'v= e only set it up for string pulls, usually a 1/2 step or whole step bend on= either string specific to which tuning I'm using. I have a third lever= as well but I haven't even installed it yet. As I understand wound str= ings are better for drop tunings, and I believe a bit problematic for up be= nds. At some point i might add the third lever on the high E string as a dr= op tuner, in major tunings to drop to the major or b7. Just getting the han= g of 2 levers has been occupying my time just fine:-)
here are some of the tunings I use with the pitch change settings in parent= hesis

D major tuning =A0 low to high =A0D, =A0A, D, =A0F# (+1/2, for sus, +1, for= lydian#4), A (+1 for maj 6), =A0D
D sus 2 tuning =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 D, =A0A, D, = =A0E =A0(+1/2, for b3, +1, for maj 3rd), =A0A ( 1/2 for b6, +1 for maj 6), = =A0D
D minor tuning =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0D, =A0A, D, = =A0F =A0(+1/2, for maj 3rd, +1, for sus 4), =A0A ( 1/2 for b6, +1 for maj 6= ), =A0D
D sus 4 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 D, =A0A, D, =A0G =A0(+1/2, for b5, +1, for 5th), =A0A ( =A0+1 for maj = 6), =A0D
=A0i also use variants of these in C and also in open G and its mutations a= s well, moving to E requires lighter gauge strings than I like to use for l= ap steel playing but i've gotten good results when i did, =A0i would re= commend you start with the current gauge of strings you like to use. it see= ms that the heavier the gauge the less up or down maximum range you can get= and the strings are under heavier tension as well so breaking them is easi= er and keeping the strings fresh particularly on the levered strings is imp= ortant. as a general rule anythin higher tna a major second up bend is risk= ier for string breaking
=A0have fun
=A0Bill




--
Mark Francombe=
www.markfrancombe.comwww.ordoabkhao.c= om
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478= 662@N00/

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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1023692596-1932946492-1357521002=:91918" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 01:10:04 +0000 (UTC) --1023692596-1932946492-1357521002=:91918 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, amigo. Tim Mungenast Editor/Writer/Proofreader: www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast Guitarist/Composer/Vocalist: www.reverbnation.com/timmungenast --- On Sun, 1/6/13, Jeff Duke wrote: From: Jeff Duke Subject: Re: Multibenders! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sunday, January 6, 2013, 7:40 PM You can try this. 1) Right click on the player > click Settings > Disable Hardware=A0Accelera= tion > Refresh your Internet Browser 2) Try closing your browser and re-load the video. =0A good luck Jeff On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 6:36 PM, Tim Mungenast wrot= e: =0A dang! i'd love to see this, but lately i haven't been able to open ANYTHING= on youtube... just a black rectangle that does not respond. anyone else ha= ving this issue? =0A Tim Mungenast Editor/Writer/Proofreader: www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast =0AGuitarist/Composer/Vocalist: www.reverbnation.com/timmungenast =0A --- On Sun, 1/6/13, mark francombe wrote: =0A From: mark francombe Subject: Re: Multibenders! To: "loopers-delight" =0ADate: Sunday, January 6, 2013, 4:03 PM Thanks Bill, Thats fantastic! That infos a keeper... Straight into Evernote= ! I am having a lot o fun already,=A0although=A0the installation=A0wasn't=A0c= ompletely without issues, and I do need to tweak a bit.=0A=0A=0A Firstly Im installing on my Baritone, so all the strings are thicker and ac= tually I swapped strings this time for some coated shit, (Damn that sales g= uy... Ive been using Ernie Ball for 20 years.. now my finger tips hurt!!!) = =A0that I think are EVEN THICKER!!=0A=0A=0A The upshot was that some of the strings wouldnt go into the bend handles sl= ot, wither of them, up OR down. AND the slip wheels under the bridge also c= aused some obstruction. I have to file out my lowest arm slot a bit.=0A=0A= =0ABut still.. the top two arms are working fine and Im using then the same= as you on the B and G strings, ATM I have them both set to one tone up, an= d have accidentally come across a few pedal steel-ish licks already. My aim= however is NOT to go all country on ya'all... I was intrigued by the multi= bend idea simply because that is very=A0similar=A0to how I play guitar anyw= ay, I form a chord, and then move one finger up or down. (think Velvet Unde= rground or Spiritulized).=0A=0A=0A However, I do like the simplicity of the county sound, that one string twan= gs up to a new tone and creates that shimmer. Even tho my guitar will be no= rmal tuning (for a bari) I love how this guy=0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com= /watch?v=3DVcSBKjCyXDU gets some nice variation, just out of one chord (hes= tuned, I could easily just hold a chord) ... =0A=0A=0A Also when looping, one doesnt have to think about playing all the time, its= nice to have some new sounds right there, made in hardware... rather than = a patch!! Thanks Bill, gonna check all these out..=0A=0A=0A M On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 8:51 PM, William Walker wro= te: =0A=0A=0Ahey Mark, that is awesome. First of all i assume its going on a re= gular guitar? as you know mine is on a lap steel so all of my adjustments a= re based on open tunings of various stripes that i use. With that said I ha= ve only used two levers , one on the G and one on the B string, and I've on= ly set it up for string pulls, usually a 1/2 step or whole step bend on eit= her string specific to which tuning I'm using. I have a third lever as well= but I haven't even installed it yet. As I understand wound strings are bet= ter for drop tunings, and I believe a bit problematic for up bends. At some= point i might add the third lever on the high E string as a drop tuner, in= major tunings to drop to the major or b7. Just getting the hang of 2 lever= s has been occupying my time just fine:-) =0A=0A=0A=0Ahere are some of the tunings I use with the pitch change settin= gs in parenthesis =0A =0AD major tuning =A0 low to high =A0D, =A0A, D, =A0F# (+1/2, for sus, +1, = for lydian#4), A (+1 for maj 6), =A0D =0AD sus 2 tuning =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 D, =A0A, = D, =A0E =A0(+1/2, for b3, +1, for maj 3rd), =A0A ( 1/2 for b6, +1 for maj 6= ), =A0D =0AD minor tuning =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0D, =A0A, D= , =A0F =A0(+1/2, for maj 3rd, +1, for sus 4), =A0A ( 1/2 for b6, +1 for maj= 6), =A0D =0AD sus 4 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 D, =A0A, D, =A0G =A0(+1/2, for b5, +1, for 5th), =A0A ( =A0+1 for m= aj 6), =A0D =0A=A0i also use variants of these in C and also in open G and its mutation= s as well, moving to E requires lighter gauge strings than I like to use fo= r lap steel playing but i've gotten good results when i did, =A0i would rec= ommend you start with the current gauge of strings you like to use. it seem= s that the heavier the gauge the less up or down maximum range you can get = and the strings are under heavier tension as well so breaking them is easie= r and keeping the strings fresh particularly on the levered strings is impo= rtant. as a general rule anythin higher tna a major second up bend is riski= er for string breaking =0A=0A=0A=0A=A0have fun =0A=A0Bill =0A =0A --=20 Mark Francombe =0A=0A=0Awww.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com =0A=0A=0Ahttp://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no =0A=0A=0Atwitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ =0A=0A =0A --1023692596-1932946492-1357521002=:91918 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --1023692596-1932946492-1357521002=:91918-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 06:25:45 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9D8A183491; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 06:25:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <50EA6A63.7070305@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 22:25:39 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Mungenast , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Re: Multibenders! References: <1357516630.81178.YahooMailClassic@web84513.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1357516630.81178.YahooMailClassic@web84513.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010306070706000907090706" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 06:25:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010306070706000907090706 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 1/6/2013 3:57 PM, Tim Mungenast wrote: > > thanks for weighing in... i have a one-year-old e-machine laptop > running the wretched windows 7 via firefox, > *For what it's worth, Google Chrome seems to be a much better browser than Firebox. I finally migrated earlier this year and am very happy I did. * --------------010306070706000907090706 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
On 1/6/2013 3:57 PM, Tim Mungenast wrote:

Thanks, amigo.

Tim Mungenast
Editor/Writer/Proofreader: www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenastGuitarist/Composer/Vocalist: www.reverbnation.com/timmungenas= t

--- On Sun, 1/6/13, Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com= > wrote:

From: Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gm= ail.com>
Subject: Re: Multibenders!
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-de= light.com
Date: Sunday, January 6, 2013, 7:40 PM

You can try this.

1) Right click on the player > click Settings > Disa= ble Hardware Acceleration > Refresh your Internet Browse= r
2) Try closing your browser and re-load the video.
= =0A

good luck

Jeff

On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 6:36 PM, Tim Mungenast <tmungenast@ver= izon.net> wrote:
=0A
<= td style=3D"font:inherit;" valign=3D"top">
dang! i'd love to see this, b= ut lately i haven't been able to open ANYTHING on youtube... just a black r= ectangle that does not respond. anyone else having this issue?
=0A
= Tim Mungenast
Editor/Writer/Proofreader: www.linkedin.c= om/in/timmungenast
=0AGuitarist/Composer/Vocalist: = www.reverbnation.com/timmungenast

=0A
--- On = Sun, 1/6/13, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
=0A
From: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
Subject: Re: Multiben= ders!
To: "loopers-delight" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com= >
=0ADate: Sunday, January 6, 2013, 4:03 PM

Thanks Bill, Thats fantastic! That infos a keeper... Straight into= Evernote!
I am having a lot o fun already, although the insta= llation wasn't completely without issues, and I do need to tweak = a bit.
=0A=0A=0A
Firstly Im installing on my Baritone, so= all the strings are thicker and actually I swapped strings this time for s= ome coated shit, (Damn that sales guy... Ive been using Ernie Ball for 20 y= ears.. now my finger tips hurt!!!)  that I think are EVEN THICKER!!=0A=0A=0A

The upshot was that some of the strings wou= ldnt go into the bend handles slot, wither of them, up OR down. AND the sli= p wheels under the bridge also caused some obstruction. I have to file out = my lowest arm slot a bit.
=0A=0A=0A
But still.. the top two arms a= re working fine and Im using then the same as you on the B and G strings, A= TM I have them both set to one tone up, and have accidentally come across a= few pedal steel-ish licks already. My aim however is NOT to go all country= on ya'all... I was intrigued by the multibend idea simply because that is = very similar to how I play guitar anyway, I form a chord, and the= n move one finger up or down. (think Velvet Underground or Spiritulized).=0A=0A=0A

However, I do like the simplicity of the c= ounty sound, that one string twangs up to a new tone and creates that shimm= er. Even tho my guitar will be normal tuning (for a bari) I love how this g= uy
=0A=0A=0A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DVcS= BKjCyXDU gets some nice variation, just out of one chord (hes tuned, I = could easily just hold a chord) ...
=0A
=0A=0A
A= lso when looping, one doesnt have to think about playing all the time, its = nice to have some new sounds right there, made in hardware... rather than a= patch!!

Thanks Bill, gonna check all these out..<= /div>=0A=0A=0A

M



=
On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 8:51 PM, William Walker <<= a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://mc/compose?to=3Dbillwal= ker@baymoon.com">billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
=0A=0A=0A<= blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-le= ft:1ex;">hey Mark, that is awesome. First of all i assume its going on a re= gular guitar? as you know mine is on a lap steel so all of my adjustments a= re based on open tunings of various stripes that i use. With that said I ha= ve only used two levers , one on the G and one on the B string, and I've on= ly set it up for string pulls, usually a 1/2 step or whole step bend on eit= her string specific to which tuning I'm using. I have a third lever as well= but I haven't even installed it yet. As I understand wound strings are bet= ter for drop tunings, and I believe a bit problematic for up bends. At some= point i might add the third lever on the high E string as a drop tuner, in= major tunings to drop to the major or b7. Just getting the hang of 2 lever= s has been occupying my time just fine:-)
=0A=0A=0A=0Ahere are some of t= he tunings I use with the pitch change settings in parenthesis
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= =0AD major tuning   low to high  D,  A, D,  F# (+1/2, f= or sus, +1, for lydian#4), A (+1 for maj 6),  D
=0AD sus 2 tuning &= nbsp;                    =   D,  A, D,  E  (+1/2, for b3, +1, for maj 3rd),  = ;A ( 1/2 for b6, +1 for maj 6),  D
=0AD minor tuning     =                    D, &nb= sp;A, D,  F  (+1/2, for maj 3rd, +1, for sus 4),  A ( 1/2 fo= r b6, +1 for maj 6),  D
=0AD sus 4         &nbs= p;                     &n= bsp;     D,  A, D,  G  (+1/2, for b5, +1, for 5th)= ,  A (  +1 for maj 6),  D
=0A i also use variants of= these in C and also in open G and its mutations as well, moving to E requi= res lighter gauge strings than I like to use for lap steel playing but i've= gotten good results when i did,  i would recommend you start with the= current gauge of strings you like to use. it seems that the heavier the ga= uge the less up or down maximum range you can get and the strings are under= heavier tension as well so breaking them is easier and keeping the strings= fresh particularly on the levered strings is important. as a general rule = anythin higher tna a major second up bend is riskier for string breaking=0A=0A=0A=0A have fun
=0A Bill
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thanks for weighing in... i have a one-year-old e-machine laptop running the wretched windows 7 via firefox,

For what it's worth,  Google Chrome seems to be a much better browser than Firebox.
I finally migrated earlier this year and am very happy I did.


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Thanks, Rick! I always appreciate y= our wisdom on this and any other topic. :-)

Tim Mungenast<= br>Editor/Writer/Proofreader: www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast=
Guitarist/Composer/Vocalist: www.reverbnation.com/timmun= genast

--- On Mon, 1/7/13, Rick Walker <looppool@cru= zio.com> wrote:

From: Rick Walker <looppool@cruz= io.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Multibenders!
To: "Tim Mungenast" <tmu= ngenast@verizon.net>, "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" <Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com>
Date: Monday, January 7, 2013, 1:25 AM

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=0A = thanks for weighing in... i have a one-year-old e-machine=0A = laptop running the wretched windows 7 via firefox,
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=0A <= b>For what it's worth,  Google Chrome seems to be a much better=0A = browser than Firebox.
=0A I finally migrated earlier this year an= d am very happy I did.
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---20871971-817191963-1357573916=:83874-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 20:12:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90169183493; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 20:12:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3GChfeke3tszmbooODRiS/ByICM3KCy+971ZeoSytbQ=; b=PlzQfIMYO75R261VcBfx8G8Dmejxcb5Wt31ARb8/NoO/9MQTFZojsZeRmYhXPbLjaV aRToqwDcD8+5gz6dq5iJGU2/aCnn1HoDoI4HyVuzVnHRkGPkxmKu4Ia5VIjwq0pb/lZd LpzEe3ItnJGeYX5PkZucuFV6p8LflPnoS57eWz8nv+7y6oeu/+/xNtJT/LOibYZZx4G8 a+CWHBigkF4OaFT+jE9QV3JY4Lq+t+ctdYlGDYVdXumPIbdPz/jUbsV+WZGTSZUb5MC0 RxQpo1s6lOPvjmeUU0BYzl58kKF4KH3wHGRE9gwU+r16DgX6vvCmZNsGJpr773+MUVQ7 Hq2w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 12:12:02 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Tips and Tricks of Gear Organization From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 20:12:04 +0000 (UTC) Its been quite here for a bit so I thought I'd stir things up with a question. Since most of us are probably guilty of complicating the process of making music to an absurd degree (just another couple of pitch shifters on send three and this should be perfect) I thought I'd ask what kinds of tricks people have come up with to A) keep their studio space as clutter free and productive as possible B) make set-up and tear down of gear manageable and C) whatever else works for you and makes your musical life better (materially speaking). As for myself, I've been having a great time playing over at friends and wanted to stream line things so it was as easy as possible to set and and tear down so I had as few excuses for wanting to haul stuff around. To this end, the latest development was to plug everything in and then, using electrical tape, bind all the chords that went to a single box together on one end (ie my VG 8 has a guitar send and two returns and two outs so these five got bundled as one so I can drop that on the floor and plug everything into the box with little hassle in sorting cables and the like). Now my set up and tear down is about 5 minutes or less (with a VG, Wah, 2 Multi-FX units and five expression pedals). Also, those metal binder clips make good cable hangers in the studio. Anyone else? Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 10:34:27 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EA72183493; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 10:34:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: Tips and Tricks of Gear Organization From: Ed Durbrow In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 19:34:23 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4B7CCE4B-27EA-4CC2-AE3E-824AF873DAD5@sea.plala.or.jp> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa03b; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 19:34:23 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 10:34:27 +0000 (UTC) I've seen, and I've tried using silicone caulking to bind plugs to jacks = on the back of patch bays. Works fine if you don't plan to change = anything. On Jan 9, 2013, at 5:12 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando = wrote: > Its been quite here for a bit so I thought I'd stir things up with a = question. >=20 > Since most of us are probably guilty of complicating the process of > making music to an absurd degree (just another couple of pitch > shifters on send three and this should be perfect) I thought I'd ask > what kinds of tricks people have come up with to A) keep their studio > space as clutter free and productive as possible B) make set-up and > tear down of gear manageable and C) whatever else works for you and > makes your musical life better (materially speaking). >=20 > As for myself, I've been having a great time playing over at friends > and wanted to stream line things so it was as easy as possible to set > and and tear down so I had as few excuses for wanting to haul stuff > around. To this end, the latest development was to plug everything in > and then, using electrical tape, bind all the chords that went to a > single box together on one end (ie my VG 8 has a guitar send and two > returns and two outs so these five got bundled as one so I can drop > that on the floor and plug everything into the box with little hassle > in sorting cables and the like). Now my set up and tear down is about > 5 minutes or less (with a VG, Wah, 2 Multi-FX units and five > expression pedals). >=20 > Also, those metal binder clips make good cable hangers in the studio. >=20 > Anyone else? >=20 > Kevin >=20 > --=20 > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have = a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all = trouble. >=20 > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >=20 Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=3Dwatch http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 14:04:01 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D27C0183496; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:04:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=gqZigpj07HaB+ospWzDALn5SwhZG8+oQljuqkd/usqo=; b=SC0LC45Kb5bSxYuRsQBPDGFLbCQdvh7EjvyaoD43QrF+PUYbOt1pqvjeZhJb5m/A5M SbzcO0oOQ8Vhu55g+Q56fjsvFqzIIbDQWi4Y5lUnQjeM+j++8H54X/g0YP1Yoi5AtkoQ CVpeqDXPu9bWZlk8AW5ZuH6X+UMW6khU/Hi1993iQMHEpH4dQkQDSKK3UhZFfc4Gb1TK NPJqTAhqjZ+AXbSsizjLNavMCdWv3ANtku0Y/uLiCmjYtoqrbA3BofATXAtrk6rW2S0e BLJWhKOKZHRKm+rwUIwJPoARpSPWkwPd1uEAt/wo5wa/90xW2LYDN+ZWKxm2D13FUnza 41yw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 22:04:00 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: new tc electronic looper From: eib halimski To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151747c154be9f9a04d2db88ee Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:04:01 +0000 (UTC) --00151747c154be9f9a04d2db88ee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 - 4 minutes loop time - unlimited overdub - undo/redo all in one small box seems whoasome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZCok4OYVOk --00151747c154be9f9a04d2db88ee Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable - 4 minutes loop time
- unlimited overdub
- undo/redo

all in one small box seems whoasome=A0

--00151747c154be9f9a04d2db88ee-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 14:36:39 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25612183490; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:36:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <57C30AB5B08648A2A6DFAD54B699277C@ELUS1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: My First Release Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 09:36:48 -0500 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008F_01CDEE4C.D8F80330" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:36:39 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01CDEE4C.D8F80330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable After years of performing online, Stephen Goodman's first album release = on Bandcamp, "No Matter Where You Go..." for downloadable purchase. $8 = for 3-1/2 hours of live ambient music, including a bonus track. http://stephenpgoodman1.bandcamp.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01CDEE4C.D8F80330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
After years of = performing online,=20 Stephen Goodman's first album release on Bandcamp, "No Matter Where You = Go..."=20 for downloadable purchase. $8 for 3-1/2 hours of live ambient music, = including a=20 bonus track.http://stephenpgoodman1.bandcamp.com/=20
------=_NextPart_000_008F_01CDEE4C.D8F80330-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 19:09:44 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13602183492; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 19:09:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Mark Hamburg Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--653225845 Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 11:09:39 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: <742793E1-42E9-47BB-83F2-50ADC5ABE03A@grubmah.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 19:09:44 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5--653225845 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Jan 9, 2013, at 6:04 AM, eib halimski wrote: > - 4 minutes loop time > - unlimited overdub > - undo/redo >=20 > all in one small box seems whoasome=20 >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DIZCok4OYVOk Nice =97 and for anyone without a looper it's probably a good choice. I think about how I seem to be working these days and I think I could go = for this if it offered the following: stereo and an ability to set the = feedback (e.g., by holding down the button and turning the knob). If = there feedback setting were "perfect" for me I might not even care about = that. A little stereo looper pedal could sit at the end of my chain and = cover just about everything I care about. Give me some sort of sync cable support =97 see EDP brother sync =97 and = I'll buy two (though please do this with the same flexibility as the EDP = where sync means that the loop lengths are coordinated not that the = start and end points have to align). And then there is what may be the "fatal" flaw: it looks like record = goes to play rather than overdub. (That could be acceptable if a long = press at the end of record created an overdub overlap since mostly I'm = worried about delay trails.) ---- I was an EDP man for quite a while. I tried the Repeater. I tried the = Looperlative. But the EDP was fluid. I would probably still be using the = EDP were it not for not wanting to carry around a rack and missing = stereo support which meant that I needed not just a rack but a rack and = a mixer or I needed to throw a MIDI foot controller into the process = with two EDPs. The features I most miss from the EDP: * Multiply * The ability to copy one loop into another, modify the second, and then = come back to the first * Freedom to start and stop more operations at arbitrary times while = still preserving synchronization My first CD was recorded with a single EDP. Shortly after that I went the multiple EDP route with it settling into = more or less a set up where one would mostly be about recording a = "pulse" to underly the piece and the other would often be used as a = long, synchronized delay line =97 often at 0% feedback. I used to want a = way to evolve away from the pulse and then back to the pulse, but that = almost always seems to get complicated. Since then I've looked for ways = to do this without the need for a rack and mixers. I played Y2KX using just the looper in the Line6 M13. I have to say that = Line6 did manage to nail the core looping feature set quite well with = lack of stereo being the chief failing. (And lack of MIDI/tempo sync = given that the units have so much else that does do sync. They could = just use the loop length to tweak the results of tap tempo and send MIDI = clock and have a win for those of willing to start the drum machine = after the loop is recorded.) I have a Boomerang III now. The sound quality, switch feel, and size are = great though the size would take a serious hit if I were to add a = sidecar and a pedal for volume or decay. (The sidecar with a built in = roller would have been a clear win.) The problem for me with the = Boomerang is that it really lives to be a phrase sampler. It's a great = looper if you want to record verse/chorus/bridge and play against them. = To do the sort of looping I was doing on the EDP, it's a pain and Mike = Nelson has gotten a lot of long emails from me discussing how to fix = this. ---- But if TC did a Ditto+ (it doesn't even need to be a "Ditto Pro"), I = could easily see shifting to it. My feature list: * Stereo =97 they can go to the size of the Flashback and other Tone = Print pedals. * Feedback control =97 two knobs instead of one. (I can think of = interesting uses for more knobs in a Flashback pedal sized device, but = I'm trying to stay minimal.) * Exiting record closes the loop on the press but overdubs until the = release. Or they need a switch to control whether record goes into play = or overdub. * Something Brother Sync like so that I can hook up a couple of these. = (Even cooler if they had other pedals that also could connect on a sync = buss. MIDI works but MIDI cables are awkwardly big.) ----- Instead, they give me four minutes of loop time =97 who is going to = remember where we were five minutes ago? =97 probably because adding = more memory really doesn't require any extra design work. Mark --Apple-Mail-5--653225845 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
- 4 = minutes loop time
- unlimited overdub
- = undo/redo

all in one small box seems = whoasome 


Nice =97 and for anyone without a looper = it's probably a good choice.

I think about how = I seem to be working these days and I think I could go for this if it = offered the following: stereo and an ability to set the feedback (e.g., = by holding down the button and turning the knob). If there feedback = setting were "perfect" for me I might not even care about that. A little = stereo looper pedal could sit at the end of my chain and cover just = about everything I care about.

Give me some = sort of sync cable support =97 see EDP brother sync =97 and I'll buy two = (though please do this with the same flexibility as the EDP where sync = means that the loop lengths are coordinated not that the start and end = points have to align).

And then there is what = may be the "fatal" flaw: it looks like record goes to play rather than = overdub. (That could be acceptable if a long press at the end of record = created an overdub overlap since mostly I'm worried about delay = trails.)

----

I was an = EDP man for quite a while. I tried the Repeater. I tried the = Looperlative. But the EDP was fluid. I would probably still be using the = EDP were it not for not wanting to carry around a rack and missing = stereo support which meant that I needed not just a rack but a rack and = a mixer or I needed to throw a MIDI foot controller into the process = with two EDPs.

The features I most miss from = the EDP:

* Multiply
* The ability to = copy one loop into another, modify the second, and then come back to the = first
* Freedom to start and stop more operations at arbitrary = times while still preserving synchronization

My = first CD was recorded with a single = EDP.

Shortly after that I went the multiple EDP = route with it settling into more or less a set up where one would mostly = be about recording a "pulse" to underly the piece and the other would = often be used as a long, synchronized delay line =97 often at 0% = feedback. I used to want a way to evolve away from the pulse and then = back to the pulse, but that almost always seems to get complicated. = Since then I've looked for ways to do this without the need for a rack = and mixers.

I played Y2KX using just the looper = in the Line6 M13. I have to say that Line6 did manage to nail the core = looping feature set quite well with lack of stereo being the chief = failing. (And lack of MIDI/tempo sync given that the units have so much = else that does do sync. They could just use the loop length to tweak the = results of tap tempo and send MIDI clock and have a win for those of = willing to start the drum machine after the loop is = recorded.)

I have a Boomerang III now. The = sound quality, switch feel, and size are great though the size would = take a serious hit if I were to add a sidecar and a pedal for volume or = decay. (The sidecar with a built in roller would have been a clear win.) = The problem for me with the Boomerang is that it really lives to be a = phrase sampler. It's a great looper if you want to record = verse/chorus/bridge and play against them. To do the sort of looping I = was doing on the EDP, it's a pain and Mike Nelson has gotten a lot of = long emails from me discussing how to fix = this.

----

But if TC = did a Ditto+ (it doesn't even need to be a "Ditto Pro"), I could easily = see shifting to it. My feature list:

* Stereo =97= they can go to the size of the Flashback and other Tone Print = pedals.

* Feedback control =97 two knobs = instead of one. (I can think of interesting uses for more knobs in a = Flashback pedal sized device, but I'm trying to stay = minimal.)

* Exiting record closes the loop on = the press but overdubs until the release. Or they need a switch to = control whether record goes into play or = overdub.

* Something Brother Sync like so that = I can hook up a couple of these. (Even cooler if they had other pedals = that also could connect on a sync buss. MIDI works but MIDI cables are = awkwardly = big.)

-----

Instead, = they give me four minutes of loop time =97 who is going to remember = where we were five minutes ago? =97 probably because adding more memory = really doesn't require any extra design = work.

Mark

= --Apple-Mail-5--653225845-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 19:20:32 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EA09183496; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 19:20:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Mark Hamburg Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--652576175 Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 11:20:29 -0800 In-Reply-To: <742793E1-42E9-47BB-83F2-50ADC5ABE03A@grubmah.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <742793E1-42E9-47BB-83F2-50ADC5ABE03A@grubmah.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Resent-Message-ID: <9wcCi.A.OsB.AMc7QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 19:20:32 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6--652576175 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Jan 9, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > But if TC did a Ditto+ (it doesn't even need to be a "Ditto Pro"), I = could easily see shifting to it. My feature list: >=20 > * Stereo =97 they can go to the size of the Flashback and other Tone = Print pedals. >=20 > * Feedback control =97 two knobs instead of one. (I can think of = interesting uses for more knobs in a Flashback pedal sized device, but = I'm trying to stay minimal.) >=20 > * Exiting record closes the loop on the press but overdubs until the = release. Or they need a switch to control whether record goes into play = or overdub. >=20 > * Something Brother Sync like so that I can hook up a couple of these. = (Even cooler if they had other pedals that also could connect on a sync = buss. MIDI works but MIDI cables are awkwardly big.) Now put that against TC's stated goals: "The guitar player's looper" and = "Dirt Simple Looping". If they can bother with stereo on their Tone Print pedals, it clearly = doesn't skew against those goals. Feedback is clearly viewed by pedal manufacturers as a more esoteric = control though it doesn't seem to be a problem on delay pedals. It is, = however, the feature that gets dropped on delays when looking for = simplicity. So, while I would like a knob, I could understand burying = the control. Brother Sync is a totally esoteric feature that goes against the = simplicity goals. But it could be a jack that goes unused in the simple = case so it isn't antithetical to it. It's more a matter that it adds = cost to the product for a feature that won't appeal to the target market = (but might help sell more pedals by making it worthwhile to own two or = more looper pedals). Mark --Apple-Mail-6--652576175 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
But if = TC did a Ditto+ (it doesn't even need to be a "Ditto Pro"), I could = easily see shifting to it. My feature list:

* = Stereo =97 they can go to the size of the Flashback and other Tone Print = pedals.

* Feedback control =97 two knobs = instead of one. (I can think of interesting uses for more knobs in a = Flashback pedal sized device, but I'm trying to stay = minimal.)

* Exiting record closes the loop on = the press but overdubs until the release. Or they need a switch to = control whether record goes into play or = overdub.

* Something Brother Sync like so that = I can hook up a couple of these. (Even cooler if they had other pedals = that also could connect on a sync buss. MIDI works but MIDI cables are = awkwardly big.)

Now put that = against TC's stated goals: "The guitar player's looper" and "Dirt Simple = Looping".

If they can bother with stereo on = their Tone Print pedals, it clearly doesn't skew against those = goals.

Feedback is clearly viewed by pedal manufacturers = as a more esoteric control though it doesn't seem to be a problem on = delay pedals. It is, however, the feature that gets dropped on delays = when looking for simplicity. So, while I would like a knob, I could = understand burying the control.

Brother Sync is = a totally esoteric feature that goes against the simplicity goals. But = it could be a jack that goes unused in the simple case so it isn't = antithetical to it. It's more a matter that it adds cost to the product = for a feature that won't appeal to the target market (but might help = sell more pedals by making it worthwhile to own two or more looper = pedals).

Mark

= --Apple-Mail-6--652576175-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 19:40:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B490183493; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 19:40:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 969 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 19:40:14 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=trufun.com; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; bh=K7bTpEtLPV1cjglFZrTjPZY7RUwSfcEBP0vVmOnHGBo=; b=tDM9Bn6jeDBTqOy7IPjjYcxML9uObDKnSAJhwzr1KwKfaFv5Urc0RAGEZlGBQZ3o1YfYUGu+iAwVWzP1xqGvjXKXDOH+0uIg+DVn0wLxcFFCXwVwdlPleprY9F0gxJi/; Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FA3D0DE6-FA84-4B26-B64C-6E67BB118E7E" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper From: David Gans In-Reply-To: <742793E1-42E9-47BB-83F2-50ADC5ABE03A@grubmah.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 11:24:03 -0800 Cc: David Gans Message-Id: <5185F2BF-8747-4417-B5EC-04FAFCD4A2D1@trufun.com> References: <742793E1-42E9-47BB-83F2-50ADC5ABE03A@grubmah.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: vps.gdhour.com: acl_c_relayhosts_text_entry: david@trufun.com|trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 19:40:14 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_FA3D0DE6-FA84-4B26-B64C-6E67BB118E7E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Is there any stomp box looper that has a feedback adjustment?=20 On Jan 9, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > On Jan 9, 2013, at 6:04 AM, eib halimski wrote: >=20 >> - 4 minutes loop time >> - unlimited overdub >> - undo/redo >>=20 >> all in one small box seems whoasome=20 >>=20 >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DIZCok4OYVOk >=20 > Nice =97 and for anyone without a looper it's probably a good choice. >=20 > I think about how I seem to be working these days and I think I could = go for this if it offered the following: stereo and an ability to set = the feedback (e.g., by holding down the button and turning the knob). If = there feedback setting were "perfect" for me I might not even care about = that. A little stereo looper pedal could sit at the end of my chain and = cover just about everything I care about. >=20 >=20 David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans --Apple-Mail=_FA3D0DE6-FA84-4B26-B64C-6E67BB118E7E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 mark@grubmah.com> = wrote:
On Jan 9, 2013, at 6:04 AM, eib = halimski wrote:

- 4 minutes loop time
- unlimited overdub
- = undo/redo

all in one small box seems = whoasome 


Nice =97 and for anyone without a = looper it's probably a good choice.
I think about how I seem to be working = these days and I think I could go for this if it offered the following: = stereo and an ability to set the feedback (e.g., by holding down the = button and turning the knob). If there feedback setting were "perfect" = for me I might not even care about that. A little stereo looper pedal = could sit at the end of my chain and cover just about everything I care = about.



david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
Truth = and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA = 94610-2730




= --Apple-Mail=_FA3D0DE6-FA84-4B26-B64C-6E67BB118E7E-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 20:01:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4FC2183493; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:01:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HGETW7fEvjBwOrJCVr1SLoOFpyypQEneLdG9I0qsqeo=; b=jKCM90HP4cWYrLQbxDZ/vF9VkxV0rNllea3F4R+aMC3+1mgJ8j1JdzeBNeKU1tX1tv 2KuSwFe/yTYX1lVdbVqFprM87kS9cf1SD2+T+IsHKuHRtf9IOa37rAqDQZqNUPTgXaSh ZtQs9hBrM0SrTLYXve4AHJ8cnWmmOQUaPjWK7cPvniA0wFTnusXX+803iataCwmPLRKq T8Ypfw8zU5smoNxdZObuFgPxF2HS3iwgtt39Tqwf19NkKL9WyISNBy8q9in25DWJf4SZ YVc+3woWFHR4yyui8Fb/ED39SHGDfi+SI/LizrVIph5nZwM+4b0pyCeF66z220LvHdzL L8Ug== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <742793E1-42E9-47BB-83F2-50ADC5ABE03A@grubmah.com> References: <742793E1-42E9-47BB-83F2-50ADC5ABE03A@grubmah.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 21:01:30 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:01:30 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > Nice =E2=80=94 and for anyone without a looper it's probably a good choic= e. ...given they define live looping as "make a loop and play over it" ;-) I like the design of this box, but for my taste it looks better than it loops. Can't agree more with your write-up on the EDP. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 20:02:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04923183499; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:02:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=Y3X7Szv1W85wY6hps7YuKJu1vKm9xJMKg69U9DCjoGU=; b=rKlvLnFTnSQfJ0AUiYbNqZU0h7IqWOc5MyZwb0f/ywcLbOtErQoi0pVOL5fN7swe/P m3m2chGovi8ZxNWogWb2hPIfIjelhqELkyjfQqHX9JUnl+n33wxbutQjSUNpc+b37vHu bJoeCQTjoWYF1yb2Lk5b1yCJEaD5PLhDILoK5A2BAaLPvrUvyqzNKMNUQKnvLtevP1ar XO8437WZqfN/Nj/sSHpIsURC1Kag+uuM/AJiQ+uEgu2tvdsD6Z6PEU+BM8hceo51dC8i kJzZfVNFVgPPK2C1gytHi8Svi0HBW6KvSD8qnllqLhAZ1ErH3VThB8lSGt9V1TBhVgky iqZQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: danielhlevine@gmail.com Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 15:02:12 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: r6HG1G8cka0YuI3sje2IxxMws2o Message-ID: Subject: Great Scott! From: daniel To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=485b390f7de4bd269704d2e08973 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:02:13 +0000 (UTC) --485b390f7de4bd269704d2e08973 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 LoopaTroopas, For all y'all Boston area people, I'm opening for Onslo (Boston) and Abadabad (NYC) tomorrow night at Great Scott. Show starts at 9p. Info: https://www.facebook.com/events/382549141839489/?fref=ts Hope you can make it out, it'd be great to meet some more of you (I met Tim at Mr Music on Sunday by chance because we have a mutual friend who's also a looper and works there)! Here's a clip from my set last night at All Asia's new Scooby Snacks, hosted by Al Polk of Streight Angular http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mdiGoIU-_4&feature=share&list=UUO7GvhXUQ2SIcGQo6JQD-yw Dan www.iamdanielharris.com --485b390f7de4bd269704d2e08973 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hope you can make it out, it'd be great to meet some mor= e of you (I met Tim at Mr Music on Sunday by chance because we have a mutua= l friend who's also a looper and works there)!

Here's a clip from my set last night at All Asia's ne= w=A0 Scooby Snacks, hosted by Al Polk of Streight Angular http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D_mdiGoIU-_4&featu= re=3Dshare&list=3DUUO7GvhXUQ2SIcGQo6JQD-yw




Dan
--485b390f7de4bd269704d2e08973-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 20:09:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBA66183490; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:09:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Vbwa4qQQnA3cjiGUV27sdBDRBp8i3GX5gU9+mvGzJ9g=; b=L8xMzkkP5XhVLUPtQtFGjnaSHuizdzNfYT2CSVtqW9zGq56JAqrXR7K6Pp+IDpaaCE YKUlJwxy/QnOMBfQLn/1Pis/cdQ1jYwweNRsqdPVK+VS6YME3LAEjwAo62ROmm/X5+/h nMI7xXcED48TLZUGjoqE0GCctxI1twANQViobTgLYI4/xDNZE3TZIphVzsKA1fMlV67K a6ynAvOmPvT9PAkuPDW0VQloUw0ehm1z149HxLy/gZkV93IW9notmsI2QucMkuIOUcrf HH+HP+6bafIpidu4UmOWe0pu60a0Kf9LXasA5zzzmt+AmbJGqoCWlFJaoaqML6hxvo1X UdgQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5185F2BF-8747-4417-B5EC-04FAFCD4A2D1@trufun.com> References: <742793E1-42E9-47BB-83F2-50ADC5ABE03A@grubmah.com> <5185F2BF-8747-4417-B5EC-04FAFCD4A2D1@trufun.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 15:09:14 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3074b1bae486e904d2e0a251 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:09:14 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3074b1bae486e904d2e0a251 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have two that do have feedback control. The EH 2880 (stereo) and the looper in the Line 6 M9 (mono). My Boss DD 20 also has feedback in the stereo 23 sec delay but not the actual looper setting in it (which I don't use). This delay type looping is my fav but it doesn't have reverse/half speed like like the first two I mentioned. Jeff On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 2:24 PM, David Gans wrote: > > Is there any stomp box looper that has a feedback adjustment? > > > > On Jan 9, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > > On Jan 9, 2013, at 6:04 AM, eib halimski wrote: > > - 4 minutes loop time > - unlimited overdub > - undo/redo > > all in one small box seems whoasome > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DIZCok4OYVOk > > > Nice =97 and for anyone without a looper it's probably a good choice. > > I think about how I seem to be working these days and I think I could go > for this if it offered the following: stereo and an ability to set the > feedback (e.g., by holding down the button and turning the knob). If ther= e > feedback setting were "perfect" for me I might not even care about that. = A > little stereo looper pedal could sit at the end of my chain and cover jus= t > about everything I care about. > > > > David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com > Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 > Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com > Web site: http://www.dgans.com > Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans > Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans > > > > > --20cf3074b1bae486e904d2e0a251 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have two that do have feedback control. The EH 2880 (stereo) and the loop= er in the Line 6 M9 (mono). My Boss DD 20 also has feedback in the stereo 2= 3 sec delay but not the actual looper setting in it (which I don't use)= . This delay type looping is my fav but it doesn't have reverse/half sp= eed like like the first two I mentioned.

Jeff

On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 2:24 PM, = David Gans <david@trufun.com> wrote:

Is there any stomp = box looper that has a feedback adjustment?=A0


=

On Jan 9, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com> wro= te:

On Jan 9, 2013, at 6:04 AM, eib halimski wrote:

- 4 minutes loop time
- unlimited overdub
- undo= /redo

all in one small box seems whoasome=A0

<= /blockquote>

Nice =97 and for anyone without a looper it's probably a good choice.

I think about how I seem to be working these days and I think I could go fo= r this if it offered the following: stereo and an ability to set the feedba= ck (e.g., by holding down the button and turning the knob). If there feedba= ck setting were "perfect" for me I might not even care about that= . A little stereo looper pedal could sit at the end of my chain and cover j= ust about everything I care about.



David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730





--20cf3074b1bae486e904d2e0a251-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 20:09:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F95C183493; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:09:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 828807650/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.182.174/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.182.174 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAEDN7VBV0rau/2dsb2JhbAANN71wgxEBAQEEOEARCxgJFg8JAwIBAgFFHAGuGZBFjXGDKQObZI1l X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,440,1355097600"; d="scan'208";a="828807650" Message-ID: <50EDCE92.7000005@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 20:09:54 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper References: <742793E1-42E9-47BB-83F2-50ADC5ABE03A@grubmah.com> <5185F2BF-8747-4417-B5EC-04FAFCD4A2D1@trufun.com> In-Reply-To: <5185F2BF-8747-4417-B5EC-04FAFCD4A2D1@trufun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1SSepC.A.8bC.T6c7QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:09:55 +0000 (UTC) David Gans wrote: > > Is there any stomp box looper that has a feedback adjustment? Pigtronix Infinity. Currently on the Gear Page the pig people are listening to users and updating the firmware accordingly. Seems like the whole pigtronix team is taking part...good for them. EH SMM + Hazarai ..during overdub, but you have to hold the button down to get overdub. Vox Delaylab ...during overdub on a custom setting. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 20:15:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9615C183496; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:15:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 834662503/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.182.174/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.182.174 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgcCAKzO7VBV0rau/2dsb2JhbAANN71wgQIBAYINAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBiCGleIVAiwWNcYMpA5tkjWU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,440,1355097600"; d="scan'208";a="834662503" Message-ID: <50EDCFDD.4010406@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 20:15:25 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:15:24 +0000 (UTC) It's almost a joke :-) ..but then they manage 7 features from one footswitch. Trouble is though, 7 features from one switch with longpress and double tap...that's going to be "a little bit complicated" for the guy who can only handle one switch and one knob. andy eib halimski wrote: > - 4 minutes loop time > - unlimited overdub > - undo/redo > > all in one small box seems whoasome > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZCok4OYVOk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 20:23:48 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCC24183492; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:23:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=trufun.com; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; bh=0j5VwAheJ92daJBIXH0d/3S09VEWXHOpSxVtUEyBY5E=; b=Hv5cjs6aeYGVgcMhRTKXi90iI9WcVVVwvtwkNXaFXs0BsjiZIXUaywv3bF9zF06m3KJfK+IekQWTA+lqQjxh6/77dBjnJz0I9LQc2ViG6wGVTyEBVHvUeU4JdI0hpBaD; Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_47ED13EE-AAE9-4A14-A40C-03DFA87ADA34" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper From: David Gans In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 12:23:46 -0800 Cc: David Gans Message-Id: <9E9A8667-E07F-455D-B75D-FBE901FE9D9F@trufun.com> References: <742793E1-42E9-47BB-83F2-50ADC5ABE03A@grubmah.com> <5185F2BF-8747-4417-B5EC-04FAFCD4A2D1@trufun.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: vps.gdhour.com: acl_c_relayhosts_text_entry: david@trufun.com|trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:23:48 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_47ED13EE-AAE9-4A14-A40C-03DFA87ADA34 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Thanks. I should probably dig my 2880 out of the closet and try it = again. When I first got it, I though it wasn't really going to work as = an on-the-fly looper for me. On Jan 9, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: > I have two that do have feedback control. The EH 2880 (stereo) and the = looper in the Line 6 M9 (mono). My Boss DD 20 also has feedback in the = stereo 23 sec delay but not the actual looper setting in it (which I = don't use). This delay type looping is my fav but it doesn't have = reverse/half speed like like the first two I mentioned. David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans --Apple-Mail=_47ED13EE-AAE9-4A14-A40C-03DFA87ADA34 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 jeffloops@gmail.com> = wrote:
david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
Truth = and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA = 94610-2730




= --Apple-Mail=_47ED13EE-AAE9-4A14-A40C-03DFA87ADA34-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 20:24:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D50FE183497; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=trufun.com; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; bh=5tpoYyJcYE8ykIwnWa8ReOToUSSk7ctmM73NWQqfrmE=; b=PYWH7VxH2x82dckwFYdsPS8ISa6XH7v+7Hba2BGwDN/gqGbDXTMzYhXVDm/iH7A2biCoHVh3XNyv8uTo8/L78XY/9nqcRtsi65Plz3Tna5hdSzLpL/7QymnerNvPaj5q; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper From: David Gans In-Reply-To: <50EDCE92.7000005@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 12:24:27 -0800 Cc: David Gans Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <742793E1-42E9-47BB-83F2-50ADC5ABE03A@grubmah.com> <5185F2BF-8747-4417-B5EC-04FAFCD4A2D1@trufun.com> <50EDCE92.7000005@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: vps.gdhour.com: acl_c_relayhosts_text_entry: david@trufun.com|trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Hazarai? Is that one designed by Israelis? I'll look at the Pigtronix. Thanks! On Jan 9, 2013, at 12:09 PM, andy butler wrote: >=20 > Pigtronix Infinity. Currently on the Gear Page the pig people are > listening to users and updating the firmware accordingly. > Seems like the whole pigtronix team is taking part...good for them. >=20 > EH SMM + Hazarai ..during overdub, but you have to hold the button = down to get overdub. >=20 David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 20:41:10 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36AC7183491; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:41:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=AZu0zVPCy9Xeg+vcEQcm4503/l5CGV9nm2Eq6Mq8Zio=; b=ApfJF2A+rwoXODEmH403XH9XOc6h+jevhd1k17TxTp+KbL5DZo5AhYmfjQXRMep+3e Kp4yA0Ws7VXfP67jtzRx9qMAWFYP1IwWhWRJmEaa3pE0lW2eiTWoqfUGOLkc55+WS+kB 61RBLxhfVqQgUArkrklW0QxUKoMzGe9CyqUnE8RelNzjNvGiERE9g/4qnB90cwnk5Kbh 6wmu7ePEKeRf23c4I00fVAnamjd2ebA54HAls8GqsOvTnfy8/Uh9AhzVxYtdu8Tog4Cv FSlSrfT9yHIn87zMF+s49FmpnqImzPvGZgEVlOtKak8GOy2ZbRvxXOcjywor4J1DsKy7 t/DQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <50EDCE92.7000005@tiscali.co.uk> References: <742793E1-42E9-47BB-83F2-50ADC5ABE03A@grubmah.com> <5185F2BF-8747-4417-B5EC-04FAFCD4A2D1@trufun.com> <50EDCE92.7000005@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 15:41:09 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3074b1ba10709b04d2e1151a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:41:10 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3074b1ba10709b04d2e1151a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Andy, I should have also mentioned that both the 2880 and the M9 have feedback in overdub mode only which is a shame. The DD 20 delay can be switched out or to the next preset and it will continue with whatever feedback setting you have set. Jeff On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 3:09 PM, andy butler wrote: > > > David Gans wrote: > >> >> Is there any stomp box looper that has a feedback adjustment? >> > > Pigtronix Infinity. Currently on the Gear Page the pig people are > listening to users and updating the firmware accordingly. > Seems like the whole pigtronix team is taking part...good for them. > > EH SMM + Hazarai ..during overdub, but you have to hold the button down to > get overdub. > > Vox Delaylab ...during overdub on a custom setting. > > andy > > --20cf3074b1ba10709b04d2e1151a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Andy, I should have also mentioned that both the 2880 and the M9 hav= e feedback in overdub mode only which is a shame. The DD 20 delay can be sw= itched out or to the next preset and it will continue with whatever feedbac= k setting you have set.

Jeff

On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 3:09 PM, = andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


David Gans wrote:

Is there any stomp box looper that has a feedback adjustment?

Pigtronix Infinity. Currently on the Gear Page the pig people are
listening to users and updating the firmware accordingly.
Seems like the whole pigtronix team is taking part...good for them.

EH SMM + Hazarai ..during overdub, but you have to hold the button down to = get overdub.

Vox Delaylab =A0 =A0 ...during overdub on a custom setting.

andy


--20cf3074b1ba10709b04d2e1151a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 21:21:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B570C183492; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 21:21:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <50EDDF78.6080201@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 13:22:00 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Gans , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Re: new tc electronic looper References: <5185F2BF-8747-4417-B5EC-04FAFCD4A2D1@trufun.com> In-Reply-To: <5185F2BF-8747-4417-B5EC-04FAFCD4A2D1@trufun.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050609050009010406000106" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 21:21:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050609050009010406000106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 1/9/2013 11:24 AM, David Gans wrote: > > Is there any stomp box looper that has a feedback adjustment? > > Looperlative LP-2 Mini Looper with an expression pedal, 30 levels of undo, automatic recording of 8 loops to an SD card, Midi sync I/O, Quantized replace in many time signatures, 1/2, double, 1/4, quadruple speed, reverse, replace, multiple retrigger options (one shot, continuous, random), runs for 12 hours on 6 AA batteries, footprint of two Boss styled stomp box pedals, attractive Metallic purple case Mono I/O street price: $300.00 --------------050609050009010406000106 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 1/9/2013 11:24 AM, David Gans wrote:

Is there any stomp box looper that has a feedback adjustment? 


Looperlative LP-2 Mini Looper with an expression pedal,
30 levels of undo, automatic recording of 8 loops to an SD card,
Midi sync I/O,  Quantized replace in many time signatures,
1/2, double, 1/4, quadruple speed, reverse, replace, multiple
retrigger options (one shot, continuous, random), runs for
12 hours on 6 AA batteries,  footprint of two Boss styled
stomp box pedals,  attractive Metallic purple case <giggle, that's me>
Mono I/O

street price: $300.00
--------------050609050009010406000106-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 22:04:48 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2070183490; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 22:04:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=trufun.com; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; bh=zBu1i7D1xMsGFKw9VYWvJQENeNVbC/0HIjWydgbRCpY=; b=VtMp4ti6N0xXd8TM6HgF/TW7C97ERrcsc7MBxs2KCsoKxPmEF4HKuSNj3wNMIiMRqrnQnRzXYqPX0FCepAlW9O4Kisui1uo8E+50lhSw1Mw2nWf9FdTvPL/NN0TzlbF7; Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_9A0529D2-7C8C-4B3A-9718-49B2F3D9D9C5" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper From: David Gans In-Reply-To: <50EDDF78.6080201@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:04:45 -0800 Cc: David Gans Message-Id: <0FE53E63-8CCE-40BD-819E-AA09CB216649@trufun.com> References: <5185F2BF-8747-4417-B5EC-04FAFCD4A2D1@trufun.com> <50EDDF78.6080201@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: vps.gdhour.com: acl_c_relayhosts_text_entry: david@trufun.com|trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <80v4eD.A.v5D._le7QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 22:04:47 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_9A0529D2-7C8C-4B3A-9718-49B2F3D9D9C5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I haven't been following this saga closely of late. Is it shipping now? On Jan 9, 2013, at 1:22 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 1/9/2013 11:24 AM, David Gans wrote: >> >> Is there any stomp box looper that has a feedback adjustment? >> >> > Looperlative LP-2 Mini Looper with an expression pedal, > 30 levels of undo, automatic recording of 8 loops to an SD card, > Midi sync I/O, Quantized replace in many time signatures, > 1/2, double, 1/4, quadruple speed, reverse, replace, multiple > retrigger options (one shot, continuous, random), runs for > 12 hours on 6 AA batteries, footprint of two Boss styled > stomp box pedals, attractive Metallic purple case > Mono I/O > > street price: $300.00 David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans --Apple-Mail=_9A0529D2-7C8C-4B3A-9718-49B2F3D9D9C5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 looppool@cruzio.com> = wrote:
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On 1/9/2013 11:24 AM, David Gans = wrote:

Is there any stomp box looper that has a feedback adjustment? 


Looperlative LP-2 Mini Looper with an expression pedal,
30 levels of undo, automatic recording of 8 loops to an SD card, =
Midi sync I/O,  Quantized replace in many time signatures,
1/2, double, 1/4, quadruple speed, reverse, replace, multiple
retrigger options (one shot, continuous, random), runs for
12 hours on 6 AA batteries,  footprint of two Boss styled
stomp box pedals,  attractive Metallic purple case <giggle, that's me>
Mono I/O

street price: $300.00

david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
Truth = and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA = 94610-2730




= --Apple-Mail=_9A0529D2-7C8C-4B3A-9718-49B2F3D9D9C5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 22:29:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13ECA183494; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 22:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhcIABHv7VAyaC3Y/2dsb2JhbABEg0e6FxaDEQEBAQMBOAJPC0ZXiCwGpX+QJo1xgkhhA4hikxWNcQ X-Originating-IP: [50.104.45.216] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.45.216 Message-Id: From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0FE53E63-8CCE-40BD-819E-AA09CB216649@trufun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 16:30:39 -0600 References: <5185F2BF-8747-4417-B5EC-04FAFCD4A2D1@trufun.com> <50EDDF78.6080201@cruzio.com> <0FE53E63-8CCE-40BD-819E-AA09CB216649@trufun.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 22:29:36 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 9, 2013, at 4:04 PM, David Gans wrote: > > I haven't been following this saga closely of late. Is it shipping > now? Apparently early March in Europe (and elsewhere?). Late March in the US. That's what I heard today in another forum, so don't necessarily take it as gospel. However, a representative from TC (Tore...the guy in the video) participates regularly in that thread. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 22:37:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2E45183493; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 22:37:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=trufun.com; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; bh=it67AlHH5X/ikaLpi5zSUFvp2Y3GbHpR5q2aaprRtW4=; b=Jg9hUd1g4EpqF0Nxn7goM+RXMV/ZlKjT5h3erQPlzsDWB2KxCjtuL1oCTU5HzKtcqTUCJfuWfr9TufUXUiMqFjV1KTSVEEKWzXKr9zbjBFpo3zyfez80eUfm0HadYWs6; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper From: David Gans In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:37:47 -0800 Cc: David Gans Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <882B88CB-67DE-4A1F-8BF1-2968457B4ACA@trufun.com> References: <5185F2BF-8747-4417-B5EC-04FAFCD4A2D1@trufun.com> <50EDDF78.6080201@cruzio.com> <0FE53E63-8CCE-40BD-819E-AA09CB216649@trufun.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: vps.gdhour.com: acl_c_relayhosts_text_entry: david@trufun.com|trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 22:37:50 +0000 (UTC) Are you talking about the Looperlative LP-2? On Jan 9, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > Apparently early March in Europe (and elsewhere?). Late March in the = US. That's what I heard today in another forum, so don't necessarily = take it as gospel. However, a representative from TC (Tore...the guy in = the video) participates regularly in that thread. David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 22:46:44 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 575A5183494; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 22:46:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlAIAJTy7VAyaC3Y/2dsb2JhbABEg0eLF68AFoMRAQEBAwE4Ak8LRleILAamB5AjjXGCSGEDiGKTFY1x X-Originating-IP: [50.104.45.216] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.45.216 Message-Id: From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <882B88CB-67DE-4A1F-8BF1-2968457B4ACA@trufun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 16:47:52 -0600 References: <5185F2BF-8747-4417-B5EC-04FAFCD4A2D1@trufun.com> <50EDDF78.6080201@cruzio.com> <0FE53E63-8CCE-40BD-819E-AA09CB216649@trufun.com> <882B88CB-67DE-4A1F-8BF1-2968457B4ACA@trufun.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 22:46:44 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 9, 2013, at 4:37 PM, David Gans wrote: > > Are you talking about the Looperlative LP-2? No, the TC looper in the subject header. Sorry for any confusion. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 23:08:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 359CA183494; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 23:08:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 00:08:14 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20130109230814.119170@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Subject: Re: Tips and Tricks of Gear Organization To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+PbzFbVcqP503jovG4DJFZP5zpnmDrHmYEAMz1GY KCaMfU/sXNP6qor0/VkAkaZhb1hE0FUtROkw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: CZ2fcOlPeSEqV8h4kHUhGtR+IGRvb8B0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 23:08:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kevin yeah... it's soo tempting to shift up your gear... There really comes a point where you _have_ to make a conscious choice if you are devoted to being a techie/gear geek or a musician/artist. Now, I hear all these people screaming: but you can be both! Well, to be honest, I can't. Because I can either focus on optimizing my musical/artistic expression (thus, living with whatever gear I have) or I can focus on optimizing my gear/setup (thus, accepting a steady state artistically). While I'm tempted and love tweaking gear (hardware, software) - currently I'm just happy throwing out any computer/electronic gear, grabbing a simple instrument - or even better: just pen & paper. But getting back to your original question. Personally, I see three different settings with differenty - but possibly overlapping - requirements: 1.)Studio/Home Setup: Everything should be wired ready, able to fire up instantly, supporting your natural workflow smoothly. High performance, enjoy working with. 2.) Mobile Setup (taking to friends/jams): As simple, portable as possible, quick setup. Able to carry in backpack, public transport. Fun, less (gear) is more. 3.) Stage/Gig Setup: Robust, reliable, flexible/fixable when necessary. Able to carry yourself (several steps), fits in car. Beer-proof, idiot-proof. Works for monitoring, FOH guy, PA, band etc. Able to control in dark/dim light. Of course, in the long run, you might be better of with a powerful laptop - which you could use for all three setup purposes. For your mobile and gig setup, you should also practice - just like practicing an instrument - setting up everyting. Optimize your setup steps (maybe write them down) and make it a habit to stick to them each time. I also recommend practicing with your gear in pitch black darkness. This way, you really get a feeling for your gear. Final thing: I wouldn't use electric tape on cables, get's really messy/nasty when you take it of after 2 years. I'd use simple plastic cable binders instead. Good luck and enjoy your music! Buzap From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 00:56:33 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2B55183494; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 00:56:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=klz0DXvcNDrtPm6gxKWOT1GPaT29XZeODXVxthALJSRpoKjNgDPFckWanA2S9hux; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <25086306.1357779383056.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 18:56:22 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Grant Reply-To: Grant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: 4627597e215714c3ca853a8129e90869f402879cecb40bd5287f70fc438b4c20ee1c60ebe4dfcdd17e81a2da65f974b4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.43 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 00:56:33 +0000 (UTC)

Don't forget the Rang III has this capability via either the Decay knob or an option to use the expression pedal to control this parameter.

 

G


-----Original Message-----
From: David Gans
Sent: Jan 9, 2013 1:24 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Cc: David Gans
Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper


Is there any stomp box looper that has a feedback adjustment? 



From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 02:14:32 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D311D183493; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 02:14:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=zDyhUp4xcnvnTd+Dz7t3QQtQtLQ3eyMp+3PTybUCzo4=; b=kS6wy/Teo4svCGh416U4SOEHLv3pd0tm5dRpVPoFxb6VdEPFVPvarND/F3teIwN5M3 x/OdAPjhRxfdW6lIzkKgjpMZsXv/AymCmi6XZPCaM89DjbPE+wKs+XUnWmDP9HD6E+pq iJPY/PUcNBlJxUNyFcavQtmr+ke7bYdCMlUI8rFG9Y1NjsKirkrUvFVipDc48l7bejxQ tL999OGTorlkolTN6MEnRIdjob1lxLLigFUij9D6d/qlex4VN7VtodA73vvVdzPtvA9w D0+Y3m7cwBPpuqDtXUeyIfexXdRUb5gkdVJe4N7tpW7fE3P00JnVwsy5bGEoq2KbcQ42 7LzQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <25086306.1357779383056.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <25086306.1357779383056.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 18:14:31 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper From: Art Simon To: Grant Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 02:14:32 +0000 (UTC) Honestly, it looks and sounds great, but still as a guitarist I feel insulted. Doesn't he say basically say that by eliminating all those complicated "features" they've created a pedal that I, the poor pathetic guitarist, can both afford and understand? Still, I probably won't get one. It's got both a knob AND a button. If it had one or the other, maybe. But both? Too much for me. On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Grant wrote: > Don't forget the Rang III has this capability via either the Decay knob or > an option to use the expression pedal to control this parameter. > > > > G > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Gans > Sent: Jan 9, 2013 1:24 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Cc: David Gans > Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper > > > Is there any stomp box looper that has a feedback adjustment? > > > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 02:20:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B4D4183496; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 02:20:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=WHNDAqecjHOsS2r+cjU9F4jOxiKfWs5MAmrFJaabJF0=; b=g5K9WnYdil5u8t2qHAhCWGGiBhMT/5Y85n/lWzLNV2X2ltQDbBA43bOaWEAcAbt/EI QRb5z4ixu8RRshFyypgu2PbE+njzvGPL54VVqTG85+nQJNUC63MbT4yU8YkX7nouhBsa Fu6HZ0JwL1tZ+RPbWa918XfcbvJliGekhBDdax/WDyoKu51AYhI8aggXuV63aF870d6j gD7Wlq+KRf0Rytleica2U5vgPxbXZ9RWkqsbvu84Q+KWOkBkIPq9gviQqj63iTv1l3As tYTsA6ptr8EUlMWjEa0AmdouqI+G79C+qrdsYLBDkakPZRbWx4rp20GW2aIZ9iv2u74w MaXA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <25086306.1357779383056.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:20:29 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper From: eib halimski To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0ce04572961c5c04d2e5d2f7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 02:20:30 +0000 (UTC) --000e0ce04572961c5c04d2e5d2f7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 if it's priced less than $100 then i might consider. which is most unlikely. personally, i feel the edp is enough..for me at least On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Art Simon wrote: > Honestly, it looks and sounds great, but still as a guitarist I feel > insulted. > > Doesn't he say basically say that by eliminating all those complicated > "features" they've created a pedal that I, the poor pathetic > guitarist, can both afford and understand? > > Still, I probably won't get one. It's got both a knob AND a button. If > it had one or the other, maybe. But both? Too much for me. > > On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Grant wrote: > > Don't forget the Rang III has this capability via either the Decay knob > or > > an option to use the expression pedal to control this parameter. > > > > > > > > G > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Gans > > Sent: Jan 9, 2013 1:24 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Cc: David Gans > > Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper > > > > > > Is there any stomp box looper that has a feedback adjustment? > > > > > > > > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@gmail.com > > --000e0ce04572961c5c04d2e5d2f7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable if it's priced less than $100 then i might consider. which is most unli= kely. personally, i feel the edp is enough..for me at least

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Art Simon <simart@gmai= l.com> wrote:
Honestly, it looks and sounds great, but sti= ll as a guitarist I feel insulted.

Doesn't he say basically say that by eliminating all those complicated<= br> "features" they've created a pedal that I, the poor pathetic<= br> guitarist, can both afford and understand?

Still, I probably won't get one. It's got both a knob AND a button.= If
it had one or the other, maybe. But both? Too much for me.

On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Grant <grantmepeace@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Don't forget the Rang III has this capability via either the Decay= knob or
> an option to use the expression pedal to control this parameter.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Gans
> Sent: Jan 9, 2013 1:24 PM
> To: Loopers-Del= ight@loopers-delight.com
> Cc: David Gans
> Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper
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> Is there any stomp box looper that has a feedback adjustment?
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--000e0ce04572961c5c04d2e5d2f7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 05:01:13 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5D98183493; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 05:01:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 05:01:13 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 23:00:57 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: New Photo Essay on Flickr Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 05:01:13 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I haven't posted on Flickr anything since July, so I'll make up for it by posting my best photos of 2012 in approximately chronological order. http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/sets/72157632485591206 -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 06:56:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77DE5183495; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:56:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Mark Hamburg Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7--610796861 Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 22:56:48 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <25086306.1357779383056.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-Id: <207C67B3-DE2B-4457-A5DC-2E7A177B6F56@grubmah.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:56:51 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7--610796861 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jan 9, 2013, at 6:20 PM, eib halimski wrote: > if it's priced less than $100 then i might consider. which is most = unlikely. personally, i feel the edp is enough..for me at least Maybe I need to revisit the notion of trying to build a footpedal = enclosure for the EDP. It would be a big footpedal, but at least it = would avoid the need for a rack. (I wish the SKB rack + pedalboard = things still existed.) And then I'd need support for stereo pass = through... Mark --Apple-Mail-7--610796861 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
if it's = priced less than $100 then i might consider. which is most unlikely. = personally, i feel the edp is enough..for me at = least

Maybe I need to revisit the = notion of trying to build a footpedal enclosure for the EDP. It would be = a big footpedal, but at least it would avoid the need for a rack. (I = wish the SKB rack + pedalboard things still existed.) And then I'd need = support for stereo pass = through...

Mark

= --Apple-Mail-7--610796861-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 10:02:32 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BC69183492; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:02:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1842 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:02:31 UTC X-Policy: 217.70.183.195 is whitelisted X-Policy: 217.70.183.195 is whitelisted X-Originating-IP: 10.0.10.133 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Gandi Mail Message-ID: <53124.1357809166@clubcapelli.com> To: Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Origin: 212.234.152.56 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:12:46 +0100 Subject: Re: No Subject From: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:02:32 +0000 (UTC) The EHX 2880 do it too. Really great looper. Marc =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Don't forget the Rang III has this capability via either the Decay knob or = an option to use the expression pedal to control this parameter. =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 18:58:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDB62183497; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:58:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 828970317/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.182.241/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.182.241 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjcDAIAO71BV0rbx/2dsb2JhbAANN7oLglQEA4EbgxEBAQEEOEARCxgJFg8JAwIBAgFFHAGsDZBAjXaDKQObZI1m X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,447,1355097600"; d="scan'208";a="828970317" Message-ID: <50EF0F52.6030607@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:58:26 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper References: <5185F2BF-8747-4417-B5EC-04FAFCD4A2D1@trufun.com> <50EDDF78.6080201@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <50EDDF78.6080201@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:58:24 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > > On 1/9/2013 11:24 AM, David Gans wrote: >> >> Is there any stomp box looper that has a feedback adjustment? >> >> > Looperlative LP-2 Mini Looper with an expression pedal, of course ! andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 19:00:58 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F92F183491; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:00:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 828970675/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.182.241/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.182.241 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAJwP71BV0rbx/2dsb2JhbAANN74BgxEBAQEEOEARCxgJFg8JAwIBAgFFHAGsDZA9jXaDKQObZI1m X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,447,1355097600"; d="scan'208";a="828970675" Message-ID: <50EF0FE8.6000706@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:00:56 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper References: <25086306.1357779383056.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:00:58 +0000 (UTC) Art Simon wrote: > Honestly, it looks and sounds great, but still as a guitarist I feel insulted. > > Doesn't he say basically say that by eliminating all those complicated > "features" they've created a pedal that I, the poor pathetic > guitarist, can both afford and understand? yes, drummer jokes are now forever replaced with guitarist jokes andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 19:04:32 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC0E9183492; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:04:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/FXZAs+j/Hk/YWdxqYin2YDYTn60dBjalIkGeLaYNxk=; b=U/MnJtPgrRdpU+ssMFXiwZGDCuaBtJWNA2nH2/nkvhcsRoAAnrhhT8ciPb/nIM0LyQ yry1ejOrTJL4VefXDFTIk1Nc85b3UFRfOvk+fmpFY1tlxDX9eIy9ZfUI9LRSpDFkpr95 nVqW+wwAL2NMFD7A7MCkxotJSapW+CCGs3kUqjtOzARVasx0HnRr6GqTrv9FH6D9Fo68 pdb6x7GwSnce3H/0/TzUHwcyj8YEsnTZVuXGu2Xu0omS09aZKDHBIlc/ZkDIuOVbNMes t20uHtn7u6OiI3y3dyux67crxEG0ei0ew69lYT0h1Y4jShjVbPM7DfH8q/FlWD7Ov/yG L4QQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <50EF0FE8.6000706@tiscali.co.uk> References: <25086306.1357779383056.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <50EF0FE8.6000706@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 20:04:31 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <_m-ASB.A.ZzE.ADx7QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:04:32 +0000 (UTC) >> Doesn't he say basically say that by eliminating all those complicated >> "features" they've created a pedal that I, the poor pathetic >> guitarist, can both afford and understand? > On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:00 PM, andy butler wrote= : > yes, drummer jokes are now forever replaced with guitarist jokes =C4=B1=C4=B1: And forever told by loopers... :=C4=B1=C4=B1 PB ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 19:14:26 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 818B0183493; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:14:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com x-originating-ip: 208.109.97.160 Message-ID: <50EF130F.8030002@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:14:23 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:14:26 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EST/GMT-5 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Mystified. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Flickering Fuel" on Dark Meadow Recordings. The Special Focus page is at: http://soundscapes.us/gt/playlists/2013/focus.html#jan Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 20:49:48 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2163F18348C; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 20:49:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=b73jIS/t2CBg6gRaMDJPLCh691knquMnenjHy2nDwP0= c=1 sm=2 a=xJQxcCCpSCYA:10 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=CCTy4BuUAAAA:8 a=Y-4G42JJAAAA:8 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=OUXYneDTAAAA:8 a=bNCzYDb5RQDNrIvoY1wA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ch_sArzwBMIA:10 a=f20fNf515ZAA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=053Au2P4wpAA:10 a=r6LoX9APYCtZjlpE:21 a=NL-OVX27TWGvjh8p:21 a=Fqjab2yrHlMQC-P5OWEA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=jclAycv49IHTkfB9:21 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 64.180.206.122 Subject: Re: Tips and Tricks of Gear Organization Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--560835769 From: richard sales X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <20130109230814.119170@gmx.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:49:29 -0800 Message-Id: References: <20130109230814.119170@gmx.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 20:49:48 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--560835769 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I always write replies and wait for the smart folks to answer first. = Usually, everything I wanted to say gets said in a more clear, coherent = way and my trumped replies gather dust in my 'Drafts' folder. =20 Indeed, Buzap covered most of my thoughts. Only addition is, in the US, = we call 'em wire ties. That's the only way to go, otherwise your wires = will get all gunky from tape. GooGone gets it off, but don't know if it's good for the cable itself. Get wire ties at Radio Shack, Home Depot etc. For live performance, there is a company that sells yellow wire ties = with a big tab for writing your name. Great when you use good and or = expensive/hard to find cables. Has saved many a cable for me from stage = hands in a hurry.=20 www.nelcoproducts.com Model or description - N-6AYE YL W/ON MARKER, 6" You can only buy 'em by the 100, but they are only $21. =20 You can also use these to identify bundles of cables in the studio. I'd send you some but the postage from Canada would skew the cost for = you. Better to order your own and share w friends. As far as Buzap's comment on choosing to be a tech head or music person = - it's a very important point. Equipment is a bottomless pit. What's = confusing is, I've found that with better equipment it's easier to get = good sound. Further confusion? debt can be a detriment to creativity = because you always have to be earning $$$ to pay for the equipment. = Plus, you can spend your life with your nose in manuals. =20 Probably better to err on the side of 'musician' than tech head - = depending on your what brings you pleasure. I'm swamped in equipment here, but consider myself more musician than = tech head. I just don't learn EVERYTHING a piece can do, just what I = need to learn to get done what I want to do. Over time, those other = functions will be easier to grasp. ..... Ergonomics of studio layout has taken me decades to sort out. I'm still = not in a state of bliss about my setup, but I can work very fast now, = and have a lot of power within arm's reach, without hunting for things = or having to set things up. I like speed when recording - I move very = fast. Don't like to lose ideas or inspiration looking for, setting up = devices, rifling through junk etc. For me, keeping the studio extremely = clean helps a lot. The more clutter, the harder to find things. Plus, = dust and dirt shorten the life of faders, pots, patch bays etc. At the end of every day I put stuff away; I sort of 'clean the work = site'. =20 The basic horse shoe arrangement has been my go to layout for years. = Mixer center, processing stuff to the left and right of that, keyboards = left and right of that. Guitar rig behind me. I still have to sit on = the floor to adjust some stuff in racks. I see that in studios big and = small, and am waiting for some genius to figure out a workaround. I tend = to avoid that equipment for that reason, but it's stupid. =20 In the studio I've run all the cables I can in wire troughs I built. I = don't like the sight of wires. Stepping on wires can break them = internally (learned that from Mike Gillies of Metallica recording crew). = They can be simple wood boxes (with hole saw holes for wire entrance) = running around the circumference, or work area, of your studio. Put all = the wires that never change in them. Amazing how much it helps. I = used red cedar I milled from fallen trees on our property here. It's = very pretty. =20 Another alternative to rivers of dusty stepped on wires is tubing. There are companies that sell wire tubing to hold bundles of wire in the = studio. For ex: = http://www.cableorganizer.com/wire-loom/colored.html?green=3D0DE53E81-F6F3= -5D6A-A310-D6128CB03668 For me, cluttered room =3D cluttered mind. Cluttered mind =3D cluttered = music. Sometimes clutter in music is good, but it requires a lot of mix = work for all the parts to stand out in the sea of stuff, so I arrange to = avoid that usually. This, of course, could all be the rambling of a = mad geezer going blind in the twilight of time. But it's a real = pleasure to walk into a clean room and get right down to work, or wake = up with an idea and, within minutes, be laying it down with all required = tools within arm's reach.=20 Like you, I meditate to keep down clutter internally. Nice to have the = studio reflect that state externally. Amazing how much it (both, = actually) helps the music itself. (Note - some like the mad scientist look - esp at first. I used to, = till I sort of BECAME a mad scientist in a sea of chaos) I keep the bulk of my cables in a cabinet. The cables I use frequently = that aren't already connected, which are few, I have hanging on coat = hooks in the back room. Definitely room for improvement in the back = room. That's for the next remodel. To give you an idea of my situation, yesterday I bought four big Totes = for my excess wires. =20 I have developed ways of preplanning room layout/ergonomics that I can = send you if curious. Cheap, simple, fun. My current studio is = beautiful but can disappear when the muse strikes - which is desirable. = If you're good with Sketchup, that works great. I lost interest, ran = out of 'learning time', when they went 3D. Again, tech head vs = musician.=20 Go to really good pro studios (or study Mix Magazine) and see how = they've organized. That's a lot of how I learned. Obviously, this is a topic I'm passionate about. Many less expensive = studios are rats nests. Once you get used to organization, you tend to = wanna get out of the chaos, and done, asap. =20 I would think you want to be in a room that makes you feel good. It's = well worth the effort and relatively little money required if you can = use carpentry tools. If you can't, it's fun to learn and makes all of = life more affordable (and attractive). Just watch those fingers! But, again, the ramblings of a very long term, semi OCD, studio loon. = When I was young, it didn't matter. I had all the time in the world. No one does, but illusion is much easier at the head, or beginning, of a = reel of tape. R richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.goodnaturefarms.com On Jan 9, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi Kevin >=20 > yeah... it's soo tempting to shift up your gear... > There really comes a point where you _have_ to make a conscious choice = if you are devoted to being a techie/gear geek or a musician/artist. = Now, I hear all these people screaming: but you can be both! Well, to be = honest, I can't. Because I can either focus on optimizing my = musical/artistic expression (thus, living with whatever gear I have) or = I can focus on optimizing my gear/setup (thus, accepting a steady state = artistically). >=20 > While I'm tempted and love tweaking gear (hardware, software) - = currently I'm just happy throwing out any computer/electronic gear, = grabbing a simple instrument - or even better: just pen & paper. >=20 > But getting back to your original question. Personally, I see three = different settings with differenty - but possibly overlapping - = requirements: > 1.)Studio/Home Setup: > Everything should be wired ready, able to fire up instantly, = supporting your natural workflow smoothly. High performance, enjoy = working with. > 2.) Mobile Setup (taking to friends/jams): > As simple, portable as possible, quick setup. Able to carry in = backpack, public transport. Fun, less (gear) is more. > 3.) Stage/Gig Setup: > Robust, reliable, flexible/fixable when necessary. Able to carry = yourself (several steps), fits in car. Beer-proof, idiot-proof. Works = for monitoring, FOH guy, PA, band etc. Able to control in dark/dim = light. >=20 > Of course, in the long run, you might be better of with a powerful = laptop - which you could use for all three setup purposes. >=20 > For your mobile and gig setup, you should also practice - just like = practicing an instrument - setting up everyting. Optimize your setup = steps (maybe write them down) and make it a habit to stick to them each = time. >=20 > I also recommend practicing with your gear in pitch black darkness. = This way, you really get a feeling for your gear. >=20 > Final thing: I wouldn't use electric tape on cables, get's really = messy/nasty when you take it of after 2 years. I'd use simple plastic = cable binders instead. >=20 > Good luck and enjoy your music! > Buzap >=20 --Apple-Mail-3--560835769 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I = always write replies and wait for the smart folks to answer first. =  Usually, everything I wanted to say gets said in a more clear, = coherent way and my trumped replies gather dust in my 'Drafts' folder. =  

Indeed, Buzap covered most of my thoughts. =  Only addition is, in the US, we call 'em wire ties.  That's = the only way to go, otherwise your wires will get all gunky from = tape.

GooGone gets it off, but don't know if it's = good for the cable itself.

Get wire ties at = Radio Shack, Home Depot etc.

For live = performance, there is a company that sells yellow wire ties with a big = tab for writing your name.  Great when you use good and or = expensive/hard to find cables.  Has saved many a cable for me from = stage hands in a hurry. 

<= div>
Model or description - = N-6AYE YL W/ON MARKER, 6"
You can only buy 'em by = the 100, but they are only $21.  

You can = also use these to identify bundles of cables in the = studio.
I'd send you some but the postage from Canada would = skew the cost for you.  Better to order your own and share w = friends.

As far as Buzap's comment on = choosing to be a tech head or music person - it's a very important = point.  Equipment is a bottomless pit.  What's confusing is, = I've found that with better equipment it's easier to get good sound. =  Further confusion? debt can be a detriment to creativity because = you always have to be earning $$$ to pay for the equipment.  Plus, = you can spend your life with your nose in manuals. =  

Probably better to err on the side of = 'musician' than tech head - depending on your what brings you = pleasure.

I'm swamped in equipment here, but = consider myself more musician than tech head.  I just don't learn = EVERYTHING a piece can do, just what I need to learn to get done what I = want to do.  Over time, those other functions will be easier to = grasp.
.....
Ergonomics of studio layout has taken me = decades to sort out.  I'm still not in a state of bliss about my = setup, but I can work very fast now, and have a lot of power within = arm's reach, without hunting for things or having to set things up. =  I like speed when recording - I move very fast.  Don't like = to lose ideas or inspiration looking for, setting up devices, rifling = through junk etc.  For me, keeping the studio extremely clean helps = a lot.  The more clutter, the harder to find things.  Plus, = dust and dirt shorten the life of faders, pots,  patch bays = etc.

At the end of every day I put stuff away; = I sort of 'clean the work site'.  

The = basic horse shoe arrangement has been my go to layout for years. =  Mixer center, processing stuff to the left and right of that, = keyboards left and right of that.  Guitar rig behind me. I still = have to sit on the floor to adjust some stuff in racks.  I see that = in studios big and small, and am waiting for some genius to figure out a = workaround. I tend to avoid that equipment for that reason, but it's = stupid.  

In the studio I've run all the = cables I can in wire troughs I built.  I don't like the sight of = wires.  Stepping on wires can break them internally (learned that = from Mike Gillies of Metallica recording crew).  They can be simple = wood boxes (with hole saw holes for wire entrance) running around the = circumference, or work area, of your studio.  Put all the wires = that never change in them.  Amazing how much it helps.   I = used red cedar I milled from fallen trees on our property here. =  It's very pretty.  

Another = alternative to rivers of dusty stepped on wires is = tubing.
There are companies that sell wire tubing to hold = bundles of wire in the studio.  For = ex:


For me, cluttered room =3D cluttered mind. =  Cluttered mind =3D cluttered music.  Sometimes clutter in = music is good, but it requires a lot of mix work for all the parts to = stand out in the sea of stuff, so I arrange to avoid that usually. =   This, of course, could all be the rambling of a mad geezer going = blind in the twilight of time.  But it's a real pleasure to walk = into a clean room and get right down to work, or wake up with an idea = and, within minutes, be laying it down with all required tools within = arm's reach. 

Like you, I meditate to keep = down clutter internally.  Nice to have the studio reflect that = state externally.  Amazing how much it (both, actually) helps the = music itself.

(Note - some like the mad = scientist look - esp at first.  I used to, till I sort of BECAME a = mad scientist in a sea of chaos)

I keep the = bulk of my cables in a cabinet.  The cables I use frequently that = aren't already connected, which are few, I have hanging on coat hooks in = the back room.  Definitely room for improvement in the back room. =  That's for the next remodel.

To give you = an idea of my situation, yesterday I bought four big Totes for my excess = wires.  

I have developed ways of = preplanning room layout/ergonomics that I can send you if curious. =  Cheap, simple, fun.  My current studio is beautiful but can = disappear when the muse strikes - which is desirable.   If you're = good with Sketchup, that works great.  I lost interest, ran out of = 'learning time', when they went 3D.  Again, tech head vs = musician. 

Go to really good pro studios = (or study Mix Magazine) and see how they've organized.  That's a = lot of how I learned.

Obviously, this is a = topic I'm passionate about.  Many less expensive studios are rats = nests.  Once you get used to organization, you tend to wanna get = out of the chaos, and done, asap.  

I = would think you want to be in a room that makes you feel good. =  It's well worth the effort and relatively little money required if = you can use carpentry tools.  If you can't, it's fun to learn and = makes all of life more affordable (and attractive).  Just watch = those fingers!

But, again, the ramblings of a = very long term, semi OCD, studio loon.  When I was young, it didn't = matter.  I had all the time in the = world.

No one does, but illusion is much easier = at the head, or beginning, of a reel of = tape.

R
richard sales
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38">www.richardsales.com
= www.goodnaturefarms.com=











On Jan 9, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote:

Hi = Kevin

yeah... it's soo tempting to shift up your gear...
There = really comes a point where you _have_ to make a conscious choice if you = are devoted to being a techie/gear geek or a musician/artist. Now, I = hear all these people screaming: but you can be both! Well, to be = honest, I can't. Because I can either focus on optimizing my = musical/artistic expression (thus, living with whatever gear I have) or = I can focus on optimizing my gear/setup (thus, accepting a steady state = artistically).

While I'm tempted and love tweaking gear = (hardware, software) - currently I'm just happy throwing out any = computer/electronic gear, grabbing a simple instrument - or even better: = just pen & paper.

But getting back to your original question. = Personally, I see three different settings with differenty - but = possibly overlapping - requirements:
1.)Studio/Home = Setup:
Everything should be wired ready, able to fire up instantly, = supporting your natural workflow smoothly. High performance, enjoy = working with.
2.) Mobile Setup (taking to friends/jams):
As = simple, portable as possible, quick setup. Able to carry in backpack, = public transport. Fun, less (gear) is more.
3.) Stage/Gig = Setup:
Robust, reliable, flexible/fixable when necessary. Able to = carry yourself (several steps), fits in car. Beer-proof, idiot-proof. = Works for monitoring, FOH guy, PA, band etc. Able to control in dark/dim = light.

Of course, in the long run, you might be better of with a = powerful laptop - which you could use for all three setup = purposes.

For your mobile and gig setup, you should also practice = - just like practicing an instrument - setting up everyting. Optimize = your setup steps (maybe write them down) and make it a habit to stick to = them each time.

I also recommend practicing with your gear in = pitch black darkness. This way, you really get a feeling for your = gear.

Final thing: I wouldn't use electric tape on cables, get's = really messy/nasty when you take it of after 2 years. I'd use simple = plastic cable binders instead.

Good luck and enjoy your = music!
Buzap


= --Apple-Mail-3--560835769-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 21:39:20 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAC81183496; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:39:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=0auHrB41QTyavoPXIEhxeEvZhI2OhrBf8f4K3MqIGBM=; b=QdR355YdejE2jqKJrESaANJ1oFIQX16jBXpQdvNfuJXSznMWtc7pMkXbJcIP7WX3Na VpCJQoafTk1Y26CvgLgjpPVY9e7NQsCcKEzOvtNfEVWYXG95M7vIa9FOPcUPEky1gmjk wjH13ovYx4J3umjWRAXZp129/yekWkukIf0d+BioJY8Q8IghIaGA4cKXYLOHcfYrNCfV r6eFbtrHFe+TGNr0E6X9MmMapQ8zswfFuVqW8vk7SLAPGhZQTVNXGRE2huDJ3GjENuNk +3bQT6fx/eYjgt9RFWQMGG5UjeM9TM3yni47FcVCIN/8VQp3r9RGq5mSZkz1iL04IuNo M8+g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20130109230814.119170@gmx.net> From: Steven Clements Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:38:38 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Tips and Tricks of Gear Organization To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efe315ed6657d04d2f6023f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:39:19 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4efe315ed6657d04d2f6023f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Thanks Richard! I never knew those cable ties existed. I'll be certain to order some Cheers Steve On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:49 PM, richard sales wrote: > I always write replies and wait for the smart folks to answer first. > Usually, everything I wanted to say gets said in a more clear, coherent > way and my trumped replies gather dust in my 'Drafts' folder. > > Indeed, Buzap covered most of my thoughts. Only addition is, in the US, > we call 'em wire ties. That's the only way to go, otherwise your wires > will get all gunky from tape. > > GooGone gets it off, but don't know if it's good for the cable itself. > > Get wire ties at Radio Shack, Home Depot etc. > > For live performance, there is a company that sells yellow wire ties with > a big tab for writing your name. Great when you use good and or > expensive/hard to find cables. Has saved many a cable for me from stage > hands in a hurry. > > *www.nelcoproducts.com* > Model or description - N-6AYE YL W/ON MARKER, 6" > You can only buy 'em by the 100, but they are only $21. > > You can also use these to identify bundles of cables in the studio. > I'd send you some but the postage from Canada would skew the cost for you. > Better to order your own and share w friends. > > As far as Buzap's comment on choosing to be a tech head or music person - > it's a very important point. Equipment is a bottomless pit. What's > confusing is, I've found that with better equipment it's easier to get good > sound. Further confusion? debt can be a detriment to creativity because > you always have to be earning $$$ to pay for the equipment. Plus, you can > spend your life with your nose in manuals. > > Probably better to err on the side of 'musician' than tech head - > depending on your what brings you pleasure. > > I'm swamped in equipment here, but consider myself more musician than tech > head. I just don't learn EVERYTHING a piece can do, just what I need to > learn to get done what I want to do. Over time, those other functions will > be easier to grasp. > ..... > Ergonomics of studio layout has taken me decades to sort out. I'm still > not in a state of bliss about my setup, but I can work very fast now, and > have a lot of power within arm's reach, without hunting for things or > having to set things up. I like speed when recording - I move very fast. > Don't like to lose ideas or inspiration looking for, setting up devices, > rifling through junk etc. For me, keeping the studio extremely clean helps > a lot. The more clutter, the harder to find things. Plus, dust and dirt > shorten the life of faders, pots, patch bays etc. > > At the end of every day I put stuff away; I sort of 'clean the work site'. > > > The basic horse shoe arrangement has been my go to layout for years. > Mixer center, processing stuff to the left and right of that, keyboards > left and right of that. Guitar rig behind me. I still have to sit on the > floor to adjust some stuff in racks. I see that in studios big and small, > and am waiting for some genius to figure out a workaround. I tend to avoid > that equipment for that reason, but it's stupid. > > In the studio I've run all the cables I can in wire troughs I built. I > don't like the sight of wires. Stepping on wires can break them internally > (learned that from Mike Gillies of Metallica recording crew). They can be > simple wood boxes (with hole saw holes for wire entrance) running around > the circumference, or work area, of your studio. Put all the wires that > never change in them. Amazing how much it helps. I used red cedar I > milled from fallen trees on our property here. It's very pretty. > > Another alternative to rivers of dusty stepped on wires is tubing. > There are companies that sell wire tubing to hold bundles of wire in the > studio. For ex: > > * > http://www.cableorganizer.com/wire-loom/colored.html?green=0DE53E81-F6F3-5D6A-A310-D6128CB03668 > * > > For me, cluttered room = cluttered mind. Cluttered mind = cluttered > music. Sometimes clutter in music is good, but it requires a lot of mix > work for all the parts to stand out in the sea of stuff, so I arrange to > avoid that usually. This, of course, could all be the rambling of a mad > geezer going blind in the twilight of time. But it's a real pleasure to > walk into a clean room and get right down to work, or wake up with an idea > and, within minutes, be laying it down with all required tools within arm's > reach. > > Like you, I meditate to keep down clutter internally. Nice to have the > studio reflect that state externally. Amazing how much it (both, actually) > helps the music itself. > > (Note - some like the mad scientist look - esp at first. I used to, till > I sort of BECAME a mad scientist in a sea of chaos) > > I keep the bulk of my cables in a cabinet. The cables I use frequently > that aren't already connected, which are few, I have hanging on coat hooks > in the back room. Definitely room for improvement in the back room. > That's for the next remodel. > > To give you an idea of my situation, yesterday I bought four big Totes for > my excess wires. > > I have developed ways of preplanning room layout/ergonomics that I can > send you if curious. Cheap, simple, fun. My current studio is beautiful > but can disappear when the muse strikes - which is desirable. If you're > good with Sketchup, that works great. I lost interest, ran out of > 'learning time', when they went 3D. Again, tech head vs musician. > > Go to really good pro studios (or study Mix Magazine) and see how they've > organized. That's a lot of how I learned. > > Obviously, this is a topic I'm passionate about. Many less expensive > studios are rats nests. Once you get used to organization, you tend to > wanna get out of the chaos, and done, asap. > > I would think you want to be in a room that makes you feel good. It's > well worth the effort and relatively little money required if you can use > carpentry tools. If you can't, it's fun to learn and makes all of life > more affordable (and attractive). Just watch those fingers! > > But, again, the ramblings of a very long term, semi OCD, studio loon. > When I was young, it didn't matter. I had all the time in the world. > > No one does, but illusion is much easier at the head, or beginning, of a > reel of tape. > > R > richard sales > www.glasswing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.goodnaturefarms.com > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 9, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > > Hi Kevin > > yeah... it's soo tempting to shift up your gear... > There really comes a point where you _have_ to make a conscious choice if > you are devoted to being a techie/gear geek or a musician/artist. Now, I > hear all these people screaming: but you can be both! Well, to be honest, I > can't. Because I can either focus on optimizing my musical/artistic > expression (thus, living with whatever gear I have) or I can focus on > optimizing my gear/setup (thus, accepting a steady state artistically). > > While I'm tempted and love tweaking gear (hardware, software) - currently > I'm just happy throwing out any computer/electronic gear, grabbing a simple > instrument - or even better: just pen & paper. > > But getting back to your original question. Personally, I see three > different settings with differenty - but possibly overlapping - > requirements: > 1.)Studio/Home Setup: > Everything should be wired ready, able to fire up instantly, supporting > your natural workflow smoothly. High performance, enjoy working with. > 2.) Mobile Setup (taking to friends/jams): > As simple, portable as possible, quick setup. Able to carry in backpack, > public transport. Fun, less (gear) is more. > 3.) Stage/Gig Setup: > Robust, reliable, flexible/fixable when necessary. Able to carry yourself > (several steps), fits in car. Beer-proof, idiot-proof. Works for > monitoring, FOH guy, PA, band etc. Able to control in dark/dim light. > > Of course, in the long run, you might be better of with a powerful laptop > - which you could use for all three setup purposes. > > For your mobile and gig setup, you should also practice - just like > practicing an instrument - setting up everyting. Optimize your setup steps > (maybe write them down) and make it a habit to stick to them each time. > > I also recommend practicing with your gear in pitch black darkness. This > way, you really get a feeling for your gear. > > Final thing: I wouldn't use electric tape on cables, get's really > messy/nasty when you take it of after 2 years. I'd use simple plastic cable > binders instead. > > Good luck and enjoy your music! > Buzap > > > --e0cb4efe315ed6657d04d2f6023f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Richard!

I never knew those cable ties existed.=C2=A0 I'l= l be certain to order some

Cheers
Steve

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:49 PM, richard sales = <richard@glas= swing.com> wrote:
I always= write replies and wait for the smart folks to answer first. =C2=A0Usually,= everything I wanted to say gets said in a more clear, coherent way and my = trumped replies gather dust in my 'Drafts' folder. =C2=A0

Indeed, Buzap covered most of my thoughts. =C2=A0Only additi= on is, in the US, we call 'em wire ties. =C2=A0That's the only way = to go, otherwise your wires will get all gunky from tape.

GooGone gets it off, but don't know if it's good for the cable it= self.

Get wire ties at Radio Shack, Home Depot etc.

For live performance, there is a company that sells ye= llow wire ties with a big tab for writing your name. =C2=A0Great when you u= se good and or expensive/hard to find cables. =C2=A0Has saved many a cable = for me from stage hands in a hurry.=C2=A0

Model or description - N-6AYE YL W/ON MARKER, 6"
You can only buy 'em by the 100, but they are only $= 21. =C2=A0

You can also use these to identify bund= les of cables in the studio.
I'd send you some but the postage from Canada would skew the cost = for you. =C2=A0Better to order your own and share w friends.

As far as Buzap's comment on choosing to be a tech hea= d or music person - it's a very important point. =C2=A0Equipment is a b= ottomless pit. =C2=A0What's confusing is, I've found that with bett= er equipment it's easier to get good sound. =C2=A0Further confusion? de= bt can be a detriment to creativity because you always have to be earning $= $$ to pay for the equipment. =C2=A0Plus, you can spend your life with your = nose in manuals. =C2=A0

Probably better to err on the side of 'musician'= ; than tech head - depending on your what brings you pleasure.
I'm swamped in equipment here, but consider myself more mu= sician than tech head. =C2=A0I just don't learn EVERYTHING a piece can = do, just what I need to learn to get done what I want to do. =C2=A0Over tim= e, those other functions will be easier to grasp.
.....
Ergonomics of studio layout has taken me decades to so= rt out. =C2=A0I'm still not in a state of bliss about my setup, but I c= an work very fast now, and have a lot of power within arm's reach, with= out hunting for things or having to set things up. =C2=A0I like speed when = recording - I move very fast. =C2=A0Don't like to lose ideas or inspira= tion looking for, setting up devices, rifling through junk etc. =C2=A0For m= e, keeping the studio extremely clean helps a lot. =C2=A0The more clutter, = the harder to find things. =C2=A0Plus, dust and dirt shorten the life of fa= ders, pots, =C2=A0patch bays etc.

At the end of every day I put stuff away; I sort of = 9;clean the work site'. =C2=A0

The basic horse= shoe arrangement has been my go to layout for years. =C2=A0Mixer center, p= rocessing stuff to the left and right of that, keyboards left and right of = that. =C2=A0Guitar rig behind me. I still have to sit on the floor to adjus= t some stuff in racks. =C2=A0I see that in studios big and small, and am wa= iting for some genius to figure out a workaround. I tend to avoid that equi= pment for that reason, but it's stupid. =C2=A0

In the studio I've run all the cables I can in wire= troughs I built. =C2=A0I don't like the sight of wires. =C2=A0Stepping= on wires can break them internally (learned that from Mike Gillies of Meta= llica recording crew). =C2=A0They can be simple wood boxes (with hole saw h= oles for wire entrance) running around the circumference, or work area, of = your studio. =C2=A0Put all the wires that never change in them. =C2=A0Amazi= ng how much it helps. =C2=A0 I used red cedar I milled from fallen trees on= our property here. =C2=A0It's very pretty. =C2=A0

Another alternative to rivers of dusty stepped on wires= is tubing.
There are companies that sell wire tubing to hol= d bundles of wire in the studio. =C2=A0For ex:


For me, cluttered room =3D cluttered mind. =C2=A0= Cluttered mind =3D cluttered music. =C2=A0Sometimes clutter in music is goo= d, but it requires a lot of mix work for all the parts to stand out in the = sea of stuff, so I arrange to avoid that usually. =C2=A0 This, of course, c= ould all be the rambling of a mad geezer going blind in the twilight of tim= e. =C2=A0But it's a real pleasure to walk into a clean room and get rig= ht down to work, or wake up with an idea and, within minutes, be laying it = down with all required tools within arm's reach.=C2=A0

Like you, I meditate to keep down clutter internally. = =C2=A0Nice to have the studio reflect that state externally. =C2=A0Amazing = how much it (both, actually) helps the music itself.

(Note - some like the mad scientist look - esp at first. =C2=A0I used to= , till I sort of BECAME a mad scientist in a sea of chaos)

I keep the bulk of my cables in a cabinet. =C2=A0The ca= bles I use frequently that aren't already connected, which are few, I h= ave hanging on coat hooks in the back room. =C2=A0Definitely room for impro= vement in the back room. =C2=A0That's for the next remodel.

To give you an idea of my situation, yesterday I bought= four big Totes for my excess wires. =C2=A0

I have= developed ways of preplanning room layout/ergonomics that I can send you i= f curious. =C2=A0Cheap, simple, fun. =C2=A0My current studio is beautiful b= ut can disappear when the muse strikes - which is desirable. =C2=A0 If you&= #39;re good with Sketchup, that works great. =C2=A0I lost interest, ran out= of 'learning time', when they went 3D. =C2=A0Again, tech head vs m= usician.=C2=A0

Go to really good pro studios (or study Mix Magazine) a= nd see how they've organized. =C2=A0That's a lot of how I learned.<= /div>

Obviously, this is a topic I'm passionate abou= t. =C2=A0Many less expensive studios are rats nests. =C2=A0Once you get use= d to organization, you tend to wanna get out of the chaos, and done, asap. = =C2=A0

I would think you want to be in a room that makes you f= eel good. =C2=A0It's well worth the effort and relatively little money = required if you can use carpentry tools. =C2=A0If you can't, it's f= un to learn and makes all of life more affordable (and attractive). =C2=A0J= ust watch those fingers!

But, again, the ramblings of a very long term, semi OCD= , studio loon. =C2=A0When I was young, it didn't matter. =C2=A0I had al= l the time in the world.

No one does, but illusion= is much easier at the head, or beginning, of a reel of tape.

R
<= div>


On Jan 9, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote:

Hi Kevin

yeah... it's soo tempting to = shift up your gear...
There really comes a point where you _have_ to mak= e a conscious choice if you are devoted to being a techie/gear geek or a mu= sician/artist. Now, I hear all these people screaming: but you can be both!= Well, to be honest, I can't. Because I can either focus on optimizing = my musical/artistic expression (thus, living with whatever gear I have) or = I can focus on optimizing my gear/setup (thus, accepting a steady state art= istically).

While I'm tempted and love tweaking gear (hardware, software) - cur= rently I'm just happy throwing out any computer/electronic gear, grabbi= ng a simple instrument - or even better: just pen & paper.

But getting back to your original question. Personally, I see three differe= nt settings with differenty - but possibly overlapping - requirements:
1.)Studio/Home Setup:
Everything should be wired ready, able to fire up = instantly, supporting your natural workflow smoothly. High performance, enj= oy working with.
2.) Mobile Setup (taking to friends/jams):
As simple= , portable as possible, quick setup. Able to carry in backpack, public tran= sport. Fun, less (gear) is more.
3.) Stage/Gig Setup:
Robust, reliable, flexible/fixable when necessary. = Able to carry yourself (several steps), fits in car. Beer-proof, idiot-proo= f. Works for monitoring, FOH guy, PA, band etc. Able to control in dark/dim= light.

Of course, in the long run, you might be better of with a powerful lapt= op - which you could use for all three setup purposes.

For your mobi= le and gig setup, you should also practice - just like practicing an instru= ment - setting up everyting. Optimize your setup steps (maybe write them do= wn) and make it a habit to stick to them each time.

I also recommend practicing with your gear in pitch black darkness. Thi= s way, you really get a feeling for your gear.

Final thing: I wouldn= 't use electric tape on cables, get's really messy/nasty when you t= ake it of after 2 years. I'd use simple plastic cable binders instead.<= br>
Good luck and enjoy your music!
Buzap



--e0cb4efe315ed6657d04d2f6023f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 21:40:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9021718349A; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:40:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=y55OoD1EYlmJZQZHWqsOJm7vrdlzzAv16Bslbr2gZh4=; b=f6P4ABRz4Lk6qIV2kSzQ0EKRQ2xM2p7XkEEzUbe9Q8dYBN/Z0R2q3kL8YGkTd6pMXo 4dEvGr5GxIxVY5iRfG9JoHixplpf+K0a3Aqi1juCi12s9PuxS4PCNo8k32LcUj+X2def 8HX7rI0Pveh57oz0Eex6V8wCEO4+Btjj+3fb1P9QnCbp2hZuu4uCtbi9jpcrP2FFQ4EZ cs7TPI1ZqukuhRBvVh0K+p3dAGhyuRQR4YawW+mfMwOWx4l7mWcmHz6J/SvSMLj5YRas 8slk+JCxOvGkbIopC9A4pY9aARZCI2l6kNaZU6NpgN97BUKp6zR1t07x0k3DmWGLDRlN WtAQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <20130109230814.119170@gmx.net> From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 22:40:09 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: AZ9noCg0YHbHOtDvIazovnuOqfE Message-ID: Subject: Re: Tips and Tricks of Gear Organization To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b33900312ad3704d2f607fd Resent-Message-ID: <9h3QbC.A.PWG.OVz7QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:40:30 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b33900312ad3704d2f607fd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Love to see a pic of your Studio Richard! My God that sounds like the set-up I tell my wife I want... I HAD a room.. with gear in... not in a nice horseshoe, things piled on top of other things, half built art in the corner... CDs, records, half drum kits, old TVs, My trusty Amiga... It was a mess, but it was nice to be in.. a nice mess! Now I rent that house, and have locked that door, so not I have small desk, with a few things on the corner... 2 EDPS a mixer and a few stomps ... again all piled on top of each other.. an awful mess... I took the most vital things out of my rack, and am going to build (this Sunday.. definitely... no excuses...) a lightweight aluminium frame/rack... that will just about fit in a suitcase... stuffed with soft thigns... Im doing a gig in Italy in February... so its a nice chance to try something minimal out... Its interesting... So... I must say, although I=B4= m jealous of people with tidy studios, I kinda like it a bit messy... means Im not averse to changing stuff around... For six months I only played my guitar through a synthesiser... I thought that was what I was gonna to forever... stopped.. and havent done it for years... For that last 2 years Ive been a post loop processor, (who cares what goes in, its how you tweak it that counts) Now IM discovering the fun in just looping like a tape machine, and getting the sound in the guitar processing or PRE loop... As for tips for gear organization... wrong man to ask, but I am bit sick of cable ties (meaning the permanent ones that pull a sawtoothed strip thru a hole, cos they are quite sharp! I have cable tied my hex pickup lead, a reglar guitar lead and a 9V power cable (that powers my guitar) all together, with cable ties... I cut my fingers EVERY time I coil that bastard... Im considering finger knitting a a colourfull long sock of many colours! M On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 9:49 PM, richard sales wrote= : > I always write replies and wait for the smart folks to answer first. > Usually, everything I wanted to say gets said in a more clear, coherent > way and my trumped replies gather dust in my 'Drafts' folder. > > Indeed, Buzap covered most of my thoughts. Only addition is, in the US, > we call 'em wire ties. That's the only way to go, otherwise your wires > will get all gunky from tape. > > GooGone gets it off, but don't know if it's good for the cable itself. > > Get wire ties at Radio Shack, Home Depot etc. > > For live performance, there is a company that sells yellow wire ties with > a big tab for writing your name. Great when you use good and or > expensive/hard to find cables. Has saved many a cable for me from stage > hands in a hurry. > > *www.nelcoproducts.com* > Model or description - N-6AYE YL W/ON MARKER, 6" > You can only buy 'em by the 100, but they are only $21. > > You can also use these to identify bundles of cables in the studio. > I'd send you some but the postage from Canada would skew the cost for you= . > Better to order your own and share w friends. > > As far as Buzap's comment on choosing to be a tech head or music person - > it's a very important point. Equipment is a bottomless pit. What's > confusing is, I've found that with better equipment it's easier to get go= od > sound. Further confusion? debt can be a detriment to creativity because > you always have to be earning $$$ to pay for the equipment. Plus, you ca= n > spend your life with your nose in manuals. > > Probably better to err on the side of 'musician' than tech head - > depending on your what brings you pleasure. > > I'm swamped in equipment here, but consider myself more musician than tec= h > head. I just don't learn EVERYTHING a piece can do, just what I need to > learn to get done what I want to do. Over time, those other functions wi= ll > be easier to grasp. > ..... > Ergonomics of studio layout has taken me decades to sort out. I'm still > not in a state of bliss about my setup, but I can work very fast now, and > have a lot of power within arm's reach, without hunting for things or > having to set things up. I like speed when recording - I move very fast. > Don't like to lose ideas or inspiration looking for, setting up devices, > rifling through junk etc. For me, keeping the studio extremely clean hel= ps > a lot. The more clutter, the harder to find things. Plus, dust and dirt > shorten the life of faders, pots, patch bays etc. > > At the end of every day I put stuff away; I sort of 'clean the work site'= . > > > The basic horse shoe arrangement has been my go to layout for years. > Mixer center, processing stuff to the left and right of that, keyboards > left and right of that. Guitar rig behind me. I still have to sit on the > floor to adjust some stuff in racks. I see that in studios big and small= , > and am waiting for some genius to figure out a workaround. I tend to avoi= d > that equipment for that reason, but it's stupid. > > In the studio I've run all the cables I can in wire troughs I built. I > don't like the sight of wires. Stepping on wires can break them internal= ly > (learned that from Mike Gillies of Metallica recording crew). They can b= e > simple wood boxes (with hole saw holes for wire entrance) running around > the circumference, or work area, of your studio. Put all the wires that > never change in them. Amazing how much it helps. I used red cedar I > milled from fallen trees on our property here. It's very pretty. > > Another alternative to rivers of dusty stepped on wires is tubing. > There are companies that sell wire tubing to hold bundles of wire in the > studio. For ex: > > * > http://www.cableorganizer.com/wire-loom/colored.html?green=3D0DE53E81-F6F= 3-5D6A-A310-D6128CB03668 > * > > For me, cluttered room =3D cluttered mind. Cluttered mind =3D cluttered > music. Sometimes clutter in music is good, but it requires a lot of mix > work for all the parts to stand out in the sea of stuff, so I arrange to > avoid that usually. This, of course, could all be the rambling of a mad > geezer going blind in the twilight of time. But it's a real pleasure to > walk into a clean room and get right down to work, or wake up with an ide= a > and, within minutes, be laying it down with all required tools within arm= 's > reach. > > Like you, I meditate to keep down clutter internally. Nice to have the > studio reflect that state externally. Amazing how much it (both, actuall= y) > helps the music itself. > > (Note - some like the mad scientist look - esp at first. I used to, till > I sort of BECAME a mad scientist in a sea of chaos) > > I keep the bulk of my cables in a cabinet. The cables I use frequently > that aren't already connected, which are few, I have hanging on coat hook= s > in the back room. Definitely room for improvement in the back room. > That's for the next remodel. > > To give you an idea of my situation, yesterday I bought four big Totes fo= r > my excess wires. > > I have developed ways of preplanning room layout/ergonomics that I can > send you if curious. Cheap, simple, fun. My current studio is beautiful > but can disappear when the muse strikes - which is desirable. If you're > good with Sketchup, that works great. I lost interest, ran out of > 'learning time', when they went 3D. Again, tech head vs musician. > > Go to really good pro studios (or study Mix Magazine) and see how they've > organized. That's a lot of how I learned. > > Obviously, this is a topic I'm passionate about. Many less expensive > studios are rats nests. Once you get used to organization, you tend to > wanna get out of the chaos, and done, asap. > > I would think you want to be in a room that makes you feel good. It's > well worth the effort and relatively little money required if you can use > carpentry tools. If you can't, it's fun to learn and makes all of life > more affordable (and attractive). Just watch those fingers! > > But, again, the ramblings of a very long term, semi OCD, studio loon. > When I was young, it didn't matter. I had all the time in the world. > > No one does, but illusion is much easier at the head, or beginning, of a > reel of tape. > > R > richard sales > www.glasswing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.goodnaturefarms.com > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 9, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > > Hi Kevin > > yeah... it's soo tempting to shift up your gear... > There really comes a point where you _have_ to make a conscious choice if > you are devoted to being a techie/gear geek or a musician/artist. Now, I > hear all these people screaming: but you can be both! Well, to be honest,= I > can't. Because I can either focus on optimizing my musical/artistic > expression (thus, living with whatever gear I have) or I can focus on > optimizing my gear/setup (thus, accepting a steady state artistically). > > While I'm tempted and love tweaking gear (hardware, software) - currently > I'm just happy throwing out any computer/electronic gear, grabbing a simp= le > instrument - or even better: just pen & paper. > > But getting back to your original question. Personally, I see three > different settings with differenty - but possibly overlapping - > requirements: > 1.)Studio/Home Setup: > Everything should be wired ready, able to fire up instantly, supporting > your natural workflow smoothly. High performance, enjoy working with. > 2.) Mobile Setup (taking to friends/jams): > As simple, portable as possible, quick setup. Able to carry in backpack, > public transport. Fun, less (gear) is more. > 3.) Stage/Gig Setup: > Robust, reliable, flexible/fixable when necessary. Able to carry yourself > (several steps), fits in car. Beer-proof, idiot-proof. Works for > monitoring, FOH guy, PA, band etc. Able to control in dark/dim light. > > Of course, in the long run, you might be better of with a powerful laptop > - which you could use for all three setup purposes. > > For your mobile and gig setup, you should also practice - just like > practicing an instrument - setting up everyting. Optimize your setup step= s > (maybe write them down) and make it a habit to stick to them each time. > > I also recommend practicing with your gear in pitch black darkness. This > way, you really get a feeling for your gear. > > Final thing: I wouldn't use electric tape on cables, get's really > messy/nasty when you take it of after 2 years. I'd use simple plastic cab= le > binders instead. > > Good luck and enjoy your music! > Buzap > > > --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b33900312ad3704d2f607fd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Love to see a pic of your Studio Richard! My God that soun= ds like the set-up I tell my wife I want...=A0
I HAD a room.. wit= h gear in... not in a nice horseshoe, things piled on top of other things, = half built art in the corner... CDs, records, half drum kits, old TVs, My t= rusty Amiga... =A0It was a mess, but it was nice to be in.. a nice mess!

Now I rent that house, and have locked that= door, so not I have small desk, with a few things on the corner... 2 EDPS = a mixer and a few stomps ... again all piled on top of each other.. an awfu= l mess... I took the most vital things out of my rack, and am going to =A0b= uild (this Sunday..=A0definitely... no excuses...) a lightweight aluminium = frame/rack... that will just about fit in a suitcase... stuffed with soft t= higns...=A0
Im doing a gig in Italy in February... so its a nice chance to t= ry something minimal out... Its interesting... So... I must say, although I= =B4m jealous of people with tidy studios, I kinda like it a bit messy... me= ans Im not averse to changing stuff around... For six months I only played = my guitar through a synthesiser... I thought that was what I was gonna to f= orever... stopped.. and havent done it for years... For that last 2 years I= ve been a post loop processor, =A0(who cares what goes in, its how you twea= k it that counts) Now IM discovering the fun in just looping like a tape ma= chine, and getting the sound in the guitar processing or PRE loop...=A0

As for tips for gear organization... wrong = man to ask, but I am =A0bit sick of cable ties (meaning the permanent ones = that pull a sawtoothed strip thru a hole, cos they are quite sharp! I have = cable tied my hex pickup lead, a reglar guitar lead and a 9V power cable (t= hat powers my guitar) all together, with cable ties... I cut my fingers EVE= RY time I coil that bastard... Im considering finger knitting a a colourful= l long sock of many colours!

M



On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 a= t 9:49 PM, richard sales <richard@glasswing.com> wrote:<= br>
I always= write replies and wait for the smart folks to answer first. =A0Usually, ev= erything I wanted to say gets said in a more clear, coherent way and my tru= mped replies gather dust in my 'Drafts' folder. =A0

Indeed, Buzap covered most of my thoughts. =A0Only addition = is, in the US, we call 'em wire ties. =A0That's the only way to go,= otherwise your wires will get all gunky from tape.

GooG= one gets it off, but don't know if it's good for the cable itself.<= /div>

Get wire ties at Radio Shack, Home Depot etc.

For live performance, there is a company that sells ye= llow wire ties with a big tab for writing your name. =A0Great when you use = good and or expensive/hard to find cables. =A0Has saved many a cable for me= from stage hands in a hurry.=A0

Model or description - N-6AYE YL W/ON MARKER, 6"
You can only buy 'em by the 100, but they are only $= 21. =A0

You can also use these to identify bundles= of cables in the studio.
I'd send you some but the postage from Canada would skew the cost = for you. =A0Better to order your own and share w friends.
<= br>
As far as Buzap's comment on choosing to be a tech head o= r music person - it's a very important point. =A0Equipment is a bottoml= ess pit. =A0What's confusing is, I've found that with better equipm= ent it's easier to get good sound. =A0Further confusion? debt can be a = detriment to creativity because you always have to be earning $$$ to pay fo= r the equipment. =A0Plus, you can spend your life with your nose in manuals= . =A0

Probably better to err on the side of 'musician'= ; than tech head - depending on your what brings you pleasure.
I'm swamped in equipment here, but consider myself more mu= sician than tech head. =A0I just don't learn EVERYTHING a piece can do,= just what I need to learn to get done what I want to do. =A0Over time, tho= se other functions will be easier to grasp.
.....
Ergonomics of studio layout has taken me decades to so= rt out. =A0I'm still not in a state of bliss about my setup, but I can = work very fast now, and have a lot of power within arm's reach, without= hunting for things or having to set things up. =A0I like speed when record= ing - I move very fast. =A0Don't like to lose ideas or inspiration look= ing for, setting up devices, rifling through junk etc. =A0For me, keeping t= he studio extremely clean helps a lot. =A0The more clutter, the harder to f= ind things. =A0Plus, dust and dirt shorten the life of faders, pots, =A0pat= ch bays etc.

At the end of every day I put stuff away; I sort of = 9;clean the work site'. =A0

The basic horse sh= oe arrangement has been my go to layout for years. =A0Mixer center, process= ing stuff to the left and right of that, keyboards left and right of that. = =A0Guitar rig behind me. I still have to sit on the floor to adjust some st= uff in racks. =A0I see that in studios big and small, and am waiting for so= me genius to figure out a workaround. I tend to avoid that equipment for th= at reason, but it's stupid. =A0

In the studio I've run all the cables I can in wire= troughs I built. =A0I don't like the sight of wires. =A0Stepping on wi= res can break them internally (learned that from Mike Gillies of Metallica = recording crew). =A0They can be simple wood boxes (with hole saw holes for = wire entrance) running around the circumference, or work area, of your stud= io. =A0Put all the wires that never change in them. =A0Amazing how much it = helps. =A0 I used red cedar I milled from fallen trees on our property here= . =A0It's very pretty. =A0

Another alternative to rivers of dusty stepped on wires= is tubing.
There are companies that sell wire tubing to hol= d bundles of wire in the studio. =A0For ex:



Like you, I meditate to keep down clutter internally. = =A0Nice to have the studio reflect that state externally. =A0Amazing how mu= ch it (both, actually) helps the music itself.

(No= te - some like the mad scientist look - esp at first. =A0I used to, till I = sort of BECAME a mad scientist in a sea of chaos)

I keep the bulk of my cables in a cabinet. =A0The cable= s I use frequently that aren't already connected, which are few, I have= hanging on coat hooks in the back room. =A0Definitely room for improvement= in the back room. =A0That's for the next remodel.

To give you an idea of my situation, yesterday I bought= four big Totes for my excess wires. =A0

I have de= veloped ways of preplanning room layout/ergonomics that I can send you if c= urious. =A0Cheap, simple, fun. =A0My current studio is beautiful but can di= sappear when the muse strikes - which is desirable. =A0 If you're good = with Sketchup, that works great. =A0I lost interest, ran out of 'learni= ng time', when they went 3D. =A0Again, tech head vs musician.=A0

Go to really good pro studios (or study Mix Magazine) a= nd see how they've organized. =A0That's a lot of how I learned.

Obviously, this is a topic I'm passionate about. = =A0Many less expensive studios are rats nests. =A0Once you get used to orga= nization, you tend to wanna get out of the chaos, and done, asap. =A0

I would think you want to be in a room that makes you f= eel good. =A0It's well worth the effort and relatively little money req= uired if you can use carpentry tools. =A0If you can't, it's fun to = learn and makes all of life more affordable (and attractive). =A0Just watch= those fingers!

But, again, the ramblings of a very long term, semi OCD= , studio loon. =A0When I was young, it didn't matter. =A0I had all the = time in the world.

No one does, but illusion is mu= ch easier at the head, or beginning, of a reel of tape.

R
<= div>



On Jan 9, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote:

Hi Kevin

yeah... it's soo tempting to = shift up your gear...
There really comes a point where you _have_ to mak= e a conscious choice if you are devoted to being a techie/gear geek or a mu= sician/artist. Now, I hear all these people screaming: but you can be both!= Well, to be honest, I can't. Because I can either focus on optimizing = my musical/artistic expression (thus, living with whatever gear I have) or = I can focus on optimizing my gear/setup (thus, accepting a steady state art= istically).

While I'm tempted and love tweaking gear (hardware, software) - cur= rently I'm just happy throwing out any computer/electronic gear, grabbi= ng a simple instrument - or even better: just pen & paper.

But getting back to your original question. Personally, I see three differe= nt settings with differenty - but possibly overlapping - requirements:
1.)Studio/Home Setup:
Everything should be wired ready, able to fire up = instantly, supporting your natural workflow smoothly. High performance, enj= oy working with.
2.) Mobile Setup (taking to friends/jams):
As simple= , portable as possible, quick setup. Able to carry in backpack, public tran= sport. Fun, less (gear) is more.
3.) Stage/Gig Setup:
Robust, reliable, flexible/fixable when necessary. = Able to carry yourself (several steps), fits in car. Beer-proof, idiot-proo= f. Works for monitoring, FOH guy, PA, band etc. Able to control in dark/dim= light.

Of course, in the long run, you might be better of with a powerful lapt= op - which you could use for all three setup purposes.

For your mobi= le and gig setup, you should also practice - just like practicing an instru= ment - setting up everyting. Optimize your setup steps (maybe write them do= wn) and make it a habit to stick to them each time.

I also recommend practicing with your gear in pitch black darkness. Thi= s way, you really get a feeling for your gear.

Final thing: I wouldn= 't use electric tape on cables, get's really messy/nasty when you t= ake it of after 2 years. I'd use simple plastic cable binders instead.<= br>
Good luck and enjoy your music!
Buzap





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Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font> --047d7b33900312ad3704d2f607fd-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 21:43:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A51D718349F; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:43:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=2uuzNnqxn5neCIaccIb7okb2yS3kUiqWD9knrRAuT/c=; b=bOZyfZMmMm802yZu/ye/uHpY307pBcVHLBnHlm51QjJ4TH/nlW3clmMDKuw6eHauKv M+kM2UgaQEHowaBCQ7YhF4tstnc/hNkWogGZwenFTcN4NEA1+477BqJ7qBMYQot6I5DK UamRw2Af3MHLTmLMhHj6fgIbGY/pILRYeIBOdXB4kkVT6uGDHHLVGIW3GG/8Ts8Hg6lM GfqLH9Oj2LgbbwXP6qYQzyNa8UHf/pInZ9+5eL7UsKZjJO74/P5aa2hf6W9h2MP2fH35 fXOLd1YCGqkzNtG2xOZUBioSFrk+aQYo/hqb/PXBw0jPROOsbWlnzSF/alR2QaE3c3R/ OydA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <20130109230814.119170@gmx.net> From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 22:43:35 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: U3v6AIJAagA9uJDkCU3UNT-sf58 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Tips and Tricks of Gear Organization To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b3390035e4e9504d2f61378 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:43:56 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b3390035e4e9504d2f61378 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I like the look of this tubing stuff For ex: * http://www.cableorganizer.com/wire-loom/colored.html?green=0DE53E81-F6F3-5D6A-A310-D6128CB03668 * BUT... is it rather solid? Is there anything in a less rigid, construction for binding round a bumch of guitar cables that are still plugged into a guitar? M On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Steven Clements wrote: > Thanks Richard! > > I never knew those cable ties existed. I'll be certain to order some > > Cheers > Steve > > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:49 PM, richard sales wrote: > >> I always write replies and wait for the smart folks to answer first. >> Usually, everything I wanted to say gets said in a more clear, coherent >> way and my trumped replies gather dust in my 'Drafts' folder. >> >> Indeed, Buzap covered most of my thoughts. Only addition is, in the US, >> we call 'em wire ties. That's the only way to go, otherwise your wires >> will get all gunky from tape. >> >> GooGone gets it off, but don't know if it's good for the cable itself. >> >> Get wire ties at Radio Shack, Home Depot etc. >> >> For live performance, there is a company that sells yellow wire ties with >> a big tab for writing your name. Great when you use good and or >> expensive/hard to find cables. Has saved many a cable for me from stage >> hands in a hurry. >> >> *www.nelcoproducts.com* >> Model or description - N-6AYE YL W/ON MARKER, 6" >> You can only buy 'em by the 100, but they are only $21. >> >> You can also use these to identify bundles of cables in the studio. >> I'd send you some but the postage from Canada would skew the cost for >> you. Better to order your own and share w friends. >> >> As far as Buzap's comment on choosing to be a tech head or music person - >> it's a very important point. Equipment is a bottomless pit. What's >> confusing is, I've found that with better equipment it's easier to get good >> sound. Further confusion? debt can be a detriment to creativity because >> you always have to be earning $$$ to pay for the equipment. Plus, you can >> spend your life with your nose in manuals. >> >> Probably better to err on the side of 'musician' than tech head - >> depending on your what brings you pleasure. >> >> I'm swamped in equipment here, but consider myself more musician than >> tech head. I just don't learn EVERYTHING a piece can do, just what I need >> to learn to get done what I want to do. Over time, those other functions >> will be easier to grasp. >> ..... >> Ergonomics of studio layout has taken me decades to sort out. I'm still >> not in a state of bliss about my setup, but I can work very fast now, and >> have a lot of power within arm's reach, without hunting for things or >> having to set things up. I like speed when recording - I move very fast. >> Don't like to lose ideas or inspiration looking for, setting up devices, >> rifling through junk etc. For me, keeping the studio extremely clean helps >> a lot. The more clutter, the harder to find things. Plus, dust and dirt >> shorten the life of faders, pots, patch bays etc. >> >> At the end of every day I put stuff away; I sort of 'clean the work >> site'. >> >> The basic horse shoe arrangement has been my go to layout for years. >> Mixer center, processing stuff to the left and right of that, keyboards >> left and right of that. Guitar rig behind me. I still have to sit on the >> floor to adjust some stuff in racks. I see that in studios big and small, >> and am waiting for some genius to figure out a workaround. I tend to avoid >> that equipment for that reason, but it's stupid. >> >> In the studio I've run all the cables I can in wire troughs I built. I >> don't like the sight of wires. Stepping on wires can break them internally >> (learned that from Mike Gillies of Metallica recording crew). They can be >> simple wood boxes (with hole saw holes for wire entrance) running around >> the circumference, or work area, of your studio. Put all the wires that >> never change in them. Amazing how much it helps. I used red cedar I >> milled from fallen trees on our property here. It's very pretty. >> >> Another alternative to rivers of dusty stepped on wires is tubing. >> There are companies that sell wire tubing to hold bundles of wire in the >> studio. For ex: >> >> * >> http://www.cableorganizer.com/wire-loom/colored.html?green=0DE53E81-F6F3-5D6A-A310-D6128CB03668 >> * >> >> For me, cluttered room = cluttered mind. Cluttered mind = cluttered >> music. Sometimes clutter in music is good, but it requires a lot of mix >> work for all the parts to stand out in the sea of stuff, so I arrange to >> avoid that usually. This, of course, could all be the rambling of a mad >> geezer going blind in the twilight of time. But it's a real pleasure to >> walk into a clean room and get right down to work, or wake up with an idea >> and, within minutes, be laying it down with all required tools within arm's >> reach. >> >> Like you, I meditate to keep down clutter internally. Nice to have the >> studio reflect that state externally. Amazing how much it (both, actually) >> helps the music itself. >> >> (Note - some like the mad scientist look - esp at first. I used to, till >> I sort of BECAME a mad scientist in a sea of chaos) >> >> I keep the bulk of my cables in a cabinet. The cables I use frequently >> that aren't already connected, which are few, I have hanging on coat hooks >> in the back room. Definitely room for improvement in the back room. >> That's for the next remodel. >> >> To give you an idea of my situation, yesterday I bought four big Totes >> for my excess wires. >> >> I have developed ways of preplanning room layout/ergonomics that I can >> send you if curious. Cheap, simple, fun. My current studio is beautiful >> but can disappear when the muse strikes - which is desirable. If you're >> good with Sketchup, that works great. I lost interest, ran out of >> 'learning time', when they went 3D. Again, tech head vs musician. >> >> Go to really good pro studios (or study Mix Magazine) and see how they've >> organized. That's a lot of how I learned. >> >> Obviously, this is a topic I'm passionate about. Many less expensive >> studios are rats nests. Once you get used to organization, you tend to >> wanna get out of the chaos, and done, asap. >> >> I would think you want to be in a room that makes you feel good. It's >> well worth the effort and relatively little money required if you can use >> carpentry tools. If you can't, it's fun to learn and makes all of life >> more affordable (and attractive). Just watch those fingers! >> >> But, again, the ramblings of a very long term, semi OCD, studio loon. >> When I was young, it didn't matter. I had all the time in the world. >> >> No one does, but illusion is much easier at the head, or beginning, of a >> reel of tape. >> >> R >> richard sales >> www.glasswing.com >> www.richardsales.com >> www.hayleysales.com >> www.goodnaturefarms.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 9, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote: >> >> Hi Kevin >> >> yeah... it's soo tempting to shift up your gear... >> There really comes a point where you _have_ to make a conscious choice if >> you are devoted to being a techie/gear geek or a musician/artist. Now, I >> hear all these people screaming: but you can be both! Well, to be honest, I >> can't. Because I can either focus on optimizing my musical/artistic >> expression (thus, living with whatever gear I have) or I can focus on >> optimizing my gear/setup (thus, accepting a steady state artistically). >> >> While I'm tempted and love tweaking gear (hardware, software) - currently >> I'm just happy throwing out any computer/electronic gear, grabbing a simple >> instrument - or even better: just pen & paper. >> >> But getting back to your original question. Personally, I see three >> different settings with differenty - but possibly overlapping - >> requirements: >> 1.)Studio/Home Setup: >> Everything should be wired ready, able to fire up instantly, supporting >> your natural workflow smoothly. High performance, enjoy working with. >> 2.) Mobile Setup (taking to friends/jams): >> As simple, portable as possible, quick setup. Able to carry in backpack, >> public transport. Fun, less (gear) is more. >> 3.) Stage/Gig Setup: >> Robust, reliable, flexible/fixable when necessary. Able to carry yourself >> (several steps), fits in car. Beer-proof, idiot-proof. Works for >> monitoring, FOH guy, PA, band etc. Able to control in dark/dim light. >> >> Of course, in the long run, you might be better of with a powerful laptop >> - which you could use for all three setup purposes. >> >> For your mobile and gig setup, you should also practice - just like >> practicing an instrument - setting up everyting. Optimize your setup steps >> (maybe write them down) and make it a habit to stick to them each time. >> >> I also recommend practicing with your gear in pitch black darkness. This >> way, you really get a feeling for your gear. >> >> Final thing: I wouldn't use electric tape on cables, get's really >> messy/nasty when you take it of after 2 years. I'd use simple plastic cable >> binders instead. >> >> Good luck and enjoy your music! >> Buzap >> >> >> > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b3390035e4e9504d2f61378 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I like the look of this tubing stuff

=
BUT... is it rat= her solid?
= Is there anything in a less rigid, construction for binding round a bumch o= f guitar cables that are still plugged into a guitar?

M


On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 a= t 10:38 PM, Steven Clements <sdclements@gmail.com> wrote:=
Thanks Richard!

I never knew those ca= ble ties existed.=A0 I'll be certain to order some

Cheers
St= eve


On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 a= t 1:49 PM, richard sales <richard@glasswing.com> wrote:<= br>
I always= write replies and wait for the smart folks to answer first. =A0Usually, ev= erything I wanted to say gets said in a more clear, coherent way and my tru= mped replies gather dust in my 'Drafts' folder. =A0

Indeed, Buzap covered most of my thoughts. =A0Only addition = is, in the US, we call 'em wire ties. =A0That's the only way to go,= otherwise your wires will get all gunky from tape.

GooG= one gets it off, but don't know if it's good for the cable itself.<= /div>

Get wire ties at Radio Shack, Home Depot etc.

For live performance, there is a company that sells ye= llow wire ties with a big tab for writing your name. =A0Great when you use = good and or expensive/hard to find cables. =A0Has saved many a cable for me= from stage hands in a hurry.=A0

Model or description - N-6AYE YL W/ON MARKER, 6"
You can only buy 'em by the 100, but they are only $= 21. =A0

You can also use these to identify bundles= of cables in the studio.
I'd send you some but the postage from Canada would skew the cost = for you. =A0Better to order your own and share w friends.
<= br>
As far as Buzap's comment on choosing to be a tech head o= r music person - it's a very important point. =A0Equipment is a bottoml= ess pit. =A0What's confusing is, I've found that with better equipm= ent it's easier to get good sound. =A0Further confusion? debt can be a = detriment to creativity because you always have to be earning $$$ to pay fo= r the equipment. =A0Plus, you can spend your life with your nose in manuals= . =A0

Probably better to err on the side of 'musician'= ; than tech head - depending on your what brings you pleasure.
I'm swamped in equipment here, but consider myself more mu= sician than tech head. =A0I just don't learn EVERYTHING a piece can do,= just what I need to learn to get done what I want to do. =A0Over time, tho= se other functions will be easier to grasp.
.....
Ergonomics of studio layout has taken me decades to so= rt out. =A0I'm still not in a state of bliss about my setup, but I can = work very fast now, and have a lot of power within arm's reach, without= hunting for things or having to set things up. =A0I like speed when record= ing - I move very fast. =A0Don't like to lose ideas or inspiration look= ing for, setting up devices, rifling through junk etc. =A0For me, keeping t= he studio extremely clean helps a lot. =A0The more clutter, the harder to f= ind things. =A0Plus, dust and dirt shorten the life of faders, pots, =A0pat= ch bays etc.

At the end of every day I put stuff away; I sort of = 9;clean the work site'. =A0

The basic horse sh= oe arrangement has been my go to layout for years. =A0Mixer center, process= ing stuff to the left and right of that, keyboards left and right of that. = =A0Guitar rig behind me. I still have to sit on the floor to adjust some st= uff in racks. =A0I see that in studios big and small, and am waiting for so= me genius to figure out a workaround. I tend to avoid that equipment for th= at reason, but it's stupid. =A0

In the studio I've run all the cables I can in wire= troughs I built. =A0I don't like the sight of wires. =A0Stepping on wi= res can break them internally (learned that from Mike Gillies of Metallica = recording crew). =A0They can be simple wood boxes (with hole saw holes for = wire entrance) running around the circumference, or work area, of your stud= io. =A0Put all the wires that never change in them. =A0Amazing how much it = helps. =A0 I used red cedar I milled from fallen trees on our property here= . =A0It's very pretty. =A0

Another alternative to rivers of dusty stepped on wires= is tubing.
There are companies that sell wire tubing to hol= d bundles of wire in the studio. =A0For ex:



Like you, I meditate to keep down clutter internally. = =A0Nice to have the studio reflect that state externally. =A0Amazing how mu= ch it (both, actually) helps the music itself.

(No= te - some like the mad scientist look - esp at first. =A0I used to, till I = sort of BECAME a mad scientist in a sea of chaos)

I keep the bulk of my cables in a cabinet. =A0The cable= s I use frequently that aren't already connected, which are few, I have= hanging on coat hooks in the back room. =A0Definitely room for improvement= in the back room. =A0That's for the next remodel.

To give you an idea of my situation, yesterday I bought= four big Totes for my excess wires. =A0

I have de= veloped ways of preplanning room layout/ergonomics that I can send you if c= urious. =A0Cheap, simple, fun. =A0My current studio is beautiful but can di= sappear when the muse strikes - which is desirable. =A0 If you're good = with Sketchup, that works great. =A0I lost interest, ran out of 'learni= ng time', when they went 3D. =A0Again, tech head vs musician.=A0

Go to really good pro studios (or study Mix Magazine) a= nd see how they've organized. =A0That's a lot of how I learned.

Obviously, this is a topic I'm passionate about. = =A0Many less expensive studios are rats nests. =A0Once you get used to orga= nization, you tend to wanna get out of the chaos, and done, asap. =A0

I would think you want to be in a room that makes you f= eel good. =A0It's well worth the effort and relatively little money req= uired if you can use carpentry tools. =A0If you can't, it's fun to = learn and makes all of life more affordable (and attractive). =A0Just watch= those fingers!

But, again, the ramblings of a very long term, semi OCD= , studio loon. =A0When I was young, it didn't matter. =A0I had all the = time in the world.

No one does, but illusion is mu= ch easier at the head, or beginning, of a reel of tape.

R

On Jan 9, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote:

Hi Kevin

yeah... it's soo tempting to = shift up your gear...
There really comes a point where you _have_ to mak= e a conscious choice if you are devoted to being a techie/gear geek or a mu= sician/artist. Now, I hear all these people screaming: but you can be both!= Well, to be honest, I can't. Because I can either focus on optimizing = my musical/artistic expression (thus, living with whatever gear I have) or = I can focus on optimizing my gear/setup (thus, accepting a steady state art= istically).

While I'm tempted and love tweaking gear (hardware, software) - cur= rently I'm just happy throwing out any computer/electronic gear, grabbi= ng a simple instrument - or even better: just pen & paper.

But getting back to your original question. Personally, I see three differe= nt settings with differenty - but possibly overlapping - requirements:
1.)Studio/Home Setup:
Everything should be wired ready, able to fire up = instantly, supporting your natural workflow smoothly. High performance, enj= oy working with.
2.) Mobile Setup (taking to friends/jams):
As simple= , portable as possible, quick setup. Able to carry in backpack, public tran= sport. Fun, less (gear) is more.
3.) Stage/Gig Setup:
Robust, reliable, flexible/fixable when necessary. = Able to carry yourself (several steps), fits in car. Beer-proof, idiot-proo= f. Works for monitoring, FOH guy, PA, band etc. Able to control in dark/dim= light.

Of course, in the long run, you might be better of with a powerful lapt= op - which you could use for all three setup purposes.

For your mobi= le and gig setup, you should also practice - just like practicing an instru= ment - setting up everyting. Optimize your setup steps (maybe write them do= wn) and make it a habit to stick to them each time.

I also recommend practicing with your gear in pitch black darkness. Thi= s way, you really get a feeling for your gear.

Final thing: I wouldn= 't use electric tape on cables, get's really messy/nasty when you t= ake it of after 2 years. I'd use simple plastic cable binders instead.<= br>
Good luck and enjoy your music!
Buzap






--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font> --047d7b3390035e4e9504d2f61378-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 22:04:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 844F518349F; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 22:04:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=pCQtO5SZqjNzEqWmFGupUKGWFift7Q6FJv2NBFV1KF0=; b=YC8mTcLZe4nQWV8zu0NkHWbZVGDFr1Pf80/ETxo8qJo+gFwiN1PU7aDrFiwMZd4/Sb pdloOI9rXX82P1GwNWCgxO7mEUS0kPvW53eueAOphXLzuHXcN1x9/7xmNpM1kwXzCEht Orn/IbZCwCVXvvrTWCnurRdWCv+JTcXPFMnMVwqkSaSLHCP2fozI4QYbWsJzBXadj0T1 x3vftLzurKEMLppDH4JgtK+3au1oX4N0x9gDBj/sK4GG284VV6Ny/Gl9wN7BZyBuetGV +vtKrHu4Yvcyp+gtyZeX6KuZ7+rmtTtB80k1iQBaod70EmOLapwI75YA8KrfcmItyY7A IfEg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <25086306.1357779383056.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <50EF0FE8.6000706@tiscali.co.uk> From: Steven Clements Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:04:14 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d040715cb6f9c8804d2f65e15 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 22:04:56 +0000 (UTC) --f46d040715cb6f9c8804d2f65e15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll stick with the EDP and wait for their new version in the works... On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> Doesn't he say basically say that by eliminating all those complicated > >> "features" they've created a pedal that I, the poor pathetic > >> guitarist, can both afford and understand? > > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:00 PM, andy butler > wrote: > > > yes, drummer jokes are now forever replaced with guitarist jokes > > > =C4=B1=C4=B1: And forever told by loopers... :=C4=B1=C4=B1 > > PB ;-) > > --f46d040715cb6f9c8804d2f65e15 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'll stick with the EDP and wait for their new version in the works= ...



On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 12:04= PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Doesn't he sa= y basically say that by eliminating all those complicated
>> "features" they've created a pedal that I, the poor = pathetic
>> guitarist, can both afford and understand?
>
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:00 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrot= e:

> yes, drummer jokes are now forever replaced with guitarist jokes


=C4=B1=C4=B1: =C2=A0And forever told by loopers... =C2=A0:=C4=B1=C4= =B1

PB ;-)


--f46d040715cb6f9c8804d2f65e15-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 22:42:00 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F34331834A2; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 22:41:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=MzeyWO9Z7+7E5+2pSDbwYYoUHrgB7wUUKPDuapkcXlU=; b=dfL4eWSbcpvDhIhOSNBIgqwmmY/PQJeazEem/SwaWQHgDhfh9oXbbHGz4CkiAy0HjK Lrh26et6BvwwB7eW7NCd5YoliMOAE91QwLgK3AnZ7RY9b1t5e3A/+2qY6zjcRDJBRZL9 sQdnt9Zxs8wS3Z9RqPFcSJedzpZdeHe3hWZGsc8OClXnVqfv2KCkTVpR0twjjBrLBrPE C8r+28XURdH4o0Pbaxb47XgFTIlB8VSgjLR1Z6xvxuVCS1ZZ/jLoymQGfI5dIrXgelIO LZwFSSR9bgkO41y6Q9zYVwUa1IT+M46Dfg8AB+8zVwtvq3dx/jnk5gqFmR4oNWT+vie7 fQIQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20130109230814.119170@gmx.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:41:58 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Tips and Tricks of Gear Organization From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 22:41:59 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 9:49 PM, richard sales wrote: > For me, cluttered room = cluttered mind. Cluttered mind = cluttered music. LOL - I must chime in with a comment to this as I happen to represent the absolut opposite personality type! I don't even KNOW whether my room is tidy or messy. When I start working I go into a zone and everything else simply vanishes around me. My natural state is to NOT know what day of the week it is, something that annoys the shit out of some people (so I try to find out now and then what day it is because I'm a nice guy and don't want to annoys that much shit out of that many people). And I don't follow the strategy to make decisions of what I want to focus on... I don't think I have ever made one single carrer decision in my hole life! Opportunities just come up - often too many and too often - and I tend to simply go with the most exciting one, dive deep into it and "get lost" there for a while. I have found that chaos and not knowing how to do stuff is creatively productive, given that you just do it anyway while figuring out how-to's as you're moving along. The key point here is to really figure it out and finish it up to your highest standard. With that attitude it doesn't become destructive to goof around "trying a little here and something else over there" because since you dive so deeply into each obsession you come out with valuable experiences and skills. This is the typical renaissance ideal, most respected back in the days before specializing in something became the new in thing. Ok, your learning curve advances more slowly but I strongly believe that you can achieve things that isn't available if living by the focused decision-making strategy. Deeper aspects of everything, cross contamination of neurons... and a hell of a lot of fun. Please note that I'm not propagating for an unstructured life, rather for an open mind and not building your inner logical structures on the outer environment. An example can be to "not learn the gear but learn what the gear does", or maybe "don't practice where to put down your fingers on your instrument, practice how the note's vibrations come together to create music". Focusing on the real thing, but the real thing is everywhere, all the time - so it's a never ending task ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 23:53:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AE9B183495; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:53:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=boV8moBDnKwPt0BjsM3K86xcZEoMQQJ3hIlEFzO7BvE=; b=py3o29YscSe/sl3qLrgU3dX3dYAwPUUdjMkidBDbnfcrKVcmm0L66of5MTI2IlKyOv iXQnTde/75FWVTfgx+7kVmgom9ue4FtOnIe9qaPibCVaZlnKRWknpVTzzAmIA3vsvZvo hTuxlwlIF1026/EqFWOPxPm4ntHBAZwPjXVq7ncKy/ITbPdTm79+exej5VTYgwbaCjLZ m3UQVVmGNmorgZIBxpk3fs1tUnvNSFOXmKJ0bH4hU19Vtd6WyeM1qjBm2JpqiYlMBwM8 DNpqfULt7fINlVg2L7Qj1Ctkuss/1UY5S+1VEkroy13KpxUnINRAfAWrXxYSdFeDFlIJ P6FA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 00:53:35 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: NuAxBv4UDDClaFUX8JsDGBvDlxk Message-ID: Subject: Recommendations for iPad pad synth... To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042de575420ea504d2f7e44f Resent-Message-ID: <8JZQLC.A.i6H.US17QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:53:56 +0000 (UTC) --f46d042de575420ea504d2f7e44f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 After having a lot of fun with some reverby trip hop with some nasty granular noise last night... Almost live.. but done in Logic.. https://soundcloud.com/markfrancombe/atmostrip I realised I need a kind of pad synth for iPad. (I dont take keyboards or computers out live) Preferably it needs to make a wide variety of granular, reverby, swooshes and growls. IPAD ONLY!!! M -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d042de575420ea504d2f7e44f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I realised I need a kind of pad synth for iPad. (I dont= take keyboards or computers out live)

Preferably = it needs to make a wide variety of granular, reverby, swooshes and growls.<= /div>

IPAD ONLY!!!

--f46d042de575420ea504d2f7e44f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 00:03:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C44EA183494; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 00:03:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Naj6zvtPJLJ42ZtE9hxZGrbFgy4z3Y5779TyRQYcfq4=; b=LOvbK+ht9E/hxdtb8xerPtRGI4XOeXb8NkIjCS/5wcs6U7cuv65YBN+cwlzaf0iXzX V1ARjkZOLfNP6BQ5LMP3ZDVYyHJ4mhwSYLv8HqcwhsKeF0ARdA2v4rHnAxVDyeAA7hx5 DfVtELPGyHqvjoKt5IpCcH3s/U5TSJHZMr7N40EomegYEC0JMLqZdnEiaf/xTxb++lnS YTMDMi8KA92McTTwgT+Sv8Uk0d1l0NC+QASZri9hw58pvmTQ99nJB0c1PAVEHg0eOd4r Nk2Rd22Yq++RI1RAnLisVHEMZcr37d0quvbajSihNPOBtL4wY5AT+N7SoOlgsPkBMEdX jGRg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:03:35 -0900 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Recommendations for iPad pad synth... From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 00:03:35 +0000 (UTC) Cassini, Magellan, Animoog, Addictive Synth, Sunrizer, PPG Wave Generator =85 that should get you started just fine =85 Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 2:53 PM, mark francombe wr= ote: > After having a lot of fun with some reverby trip hop with some nasty > granular noise last night... Almost live.. but done in Logic.. > https://soundcloud.com/markfrancombe/atmostrip > > I realised I need a kind of pad synth for iPad. (I dont take keyboards or > computers out live) > > Preferably it needs to make a wide variety of granular, reverby, swooshes > and growls. > > IPAD ONLY!!! > > M > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 00:04:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90118183490; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 00:04:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=uCnTHJb2E58BXtqE+pP5IVAFA/Iygi36/nSrM+pTnts=; b=Hnt1SszHOn+daDo1aDgeOCxAXsCnr37jD9TlBRIeQY9u44HWggq4HWB2YuDg6VkpFJ NG6m2F3OC4HomTawTeEC88ap7JMkqBIAPnwHgTDmUYKM/W34AqQXsEbOCO9olJPp4MIG J1ErF8GeCOjUQoVifptB43mNvqbsLDT71wpIKGqtY7qFkzzAMx6msXaoCQ5UACrEAlBg HIduONY4jITX86FQuuBgK1qN25uiZpJZYJyoKXgAwusEb8KI+t702nmwrZ3KPALoZA8U 8OqQTLgiLdaloP+XgkVQahbJ7jqv1tET5MTEI9v0p58wH3PU4z6hFR/d87Yt9zICOmxZ XpnA== X-Received: by 10.66.73.165 with SMTP id m5mr202560552pav.78.1357862663761; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:04:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--549143837 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Recommendations for iPad pad synth... Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:04:21 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 00:04:24 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5--549143837 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 10, 2013, at 3:53 PM, mark francombe wrote: > I realised I need a kind of pad synth for iPad. (I dont take > keyboards or computers out live) I really like Alchemy, Animoog, Addictive Synth and Magellan. But there are more classic styles like iPolysix and iMS-20. There are Youtube user demos for most of the apps which can give you some sense of the possibilities. > Preferably it needs to make a wide variety of granular, reverby, > swooshes and growls. Now there is AudioBus (a router) and an app called LiveFX (sort of Kaoss Pad) as well as FX filter apps (Moog and IK) that can let you get some serious mangling. regards BobC --Apple-Mail-5--549143837 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Jan 10, 2013, = at 3:53 PM, mark francombe wrote:

I = realised I need a kind of pad synth for iPad. (I dont take keyboards or = computers out live)

I = really like Alchemy, Animoog, Addictive Synth and Magellan. But there = are more classic styles like iPolysix and iMS-20.
There are = Youtube user demos for most of the apps which can give you some sense of = the possibilities.



On Jan 10, 2013, = at 4:30 PM, Per Boysen wrote:


On Jan 10, 2013, = at 5:19 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

Watch the = info videos on = Omnishpere


Yes, I did = but it is nice to get evaluations outside of the commerce/corporate = sphere.
Thanks for your = comments.

Omnisphere has a wireless app that = seems like it ought to be able to be used as a remix pad.
The = huge library, makes me unsure also.
I suppose it might be = a workable thing with dedicated a wireless hard drive to = store/access the = data.


BobC
= --Apple-Mail-7--543250856-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 01:48:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D31E1183495; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 01:48:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=kZfJJjqiDerTT68m5J/Vjo3bmJoESo/EnFmaagYJHiA=; b=k94nZpt/ix+pb3MD52V7r1GMvtWC7a6x1eXjiAu+0aLc6CEvLFp1L+JobTUox7peZJ aFIF4MhXqGnAVz3tafKX4qyHwxroOcZC0EtD6ORNfEzpclgEDWzoxLi7nmxOf9gg+EXI iI6HlZhz2zMyW9CFiAMNcL/xTpuf+mn44GwG+60Fo6wYkmdQQIZcaW3rbBhSdRHm4Ci5 AlM9ST2aFj2LBAoTV4dmOOMXxO2o11fUVkY3fHSzLzKdMKm9knSakY3aOzJB9GXrXEz8 Nrcy4uH39GxfHOy5RfkKoJ7A06BXBXYGAmQogw99njmwIZLq17PCBqiuhPAyzXD84mFb y5hw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2499AFC3-15B8-447A-BF3E-19A1701C5E0D@gmail.com> References: <59E38434-F802-4CFA-AEBE-FF71F052AB81@gmail.com> <2499AFC3-15B8-447A-BF3E-19A1701C5E0D@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 02:48:02 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Recommendations for iPad pad synth... From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 01:48:03 +0000 (UTC) I forgot to mention that Alchemy brings a nice sounding granular synthesis engine (among a number of other synthesis methods). And regarding Omnisphere I have heard from skilled Omniscists that it is exceptionally great in the lush Vangelis pads department (Yamaha CS80) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 2:42 AM, RP Collier wrote: > > On Jan 10, 2013, at 5:19 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > Watch the info videos on Omnishpere > > > > Yes, I did but it is nice to get evaluations outside of the > commerce/corporate sphere. > Thanks for your comments. > > Omnisphere has a wireless app that seems like it ought to be able to be used > as a remix pad. > The huge library, makes me unsure also. > I suppose it might be a workable thing with dedicated a wireless hard drive > to store/access the data. > > > BobC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 04:32:20 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEB9A183494; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 04:32:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-01-11_02:2013-01-11,2013-01-11,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1301100318 Subject: Re: Recommendations for iPad pad synth... From: Daniel Thomas In-reply-to: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 20:32:18 -0800 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: <3204DB3C-F489-41C9-AF3D-F04D3817729D@mac.com> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 04:32:20 +0000 (UTC) I am loving animoog and addictive. =20 Daniel=20 On Jan 10, 2013, at 4:03 PM, Dennis Moser = wrote: > Cassini, Magellan, Animoog, Addictive Synth, Sunrizer, PPG Wave > Generator =85 that should get you started just fine =85 >=20 > Best, >=20 > Dennis >=20 > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 2:53 PM, mark francombe = wrote: >> After having a lot of fun with some reverby trip hop with some nasty >> granular noise last night... Almost live.. but done in Logic.. >> https://soundcloud.com/markfrancombe/atmostrip >>=20 >> I realised I need a kind of pad synth for iPad. (I dont take = keyboards or >> computers out live) >>=20 >> Preferably it needs to make a wide variety of granular, reverby, = swooshes >> and growls. >>=20 >> IPAD ONLY!!! >>=20 >> M >>=20 >> -- >> Mark Francombe >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 09:43:48 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDAFF183492; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:43:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1955 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:43:47 UTC X-Authenticated-Sender-Id: info@christophgrab.com From: christoph grab Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_4AB6BCAE-9075-4CCF-BE8E-1A8B29DCAFDB" Subject: Bad experience with Looperlative LP-2 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:11:10 +0100 Message-Id: <795D4CCE-FFAB-4B93-9B63-27445097597D@christophgrab.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:43:47 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_4AB6BCAE-9075-4CCF-BE8E-1A8B29DCAFDB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm a saxophonist from Switzerland doing some looping from time to time. = When I heard about the LP-2 I thought this would be holy grail of the = looper pedals - small, with the right features to be creative while = looping. In october'11 I ordered it from Bob Amstad. When I got it some months later I had to notice that it didn't work as = advertised at all. The feedback function didn't work with the pedals I = tried. It even crashed sometimes. In continous trigger mode I got half a = second of silence in the loop, which makes the function completely = useless. So far, so bad. But the worst thing is: After sending it back to Bob = (which he proposed) I never got a replacement unit or some money back. = He even doesn't react on emails anymore. I'm posting this not only to warn other people, but also to ask if = somebody had similar problems and how you could resolve it. Best wishes from Switzerland Christoph http://www.christophgrab.com http://www.youtube.com/user/beestreet13 --Apple-Mail=_4AB6BCAE-9075-4CCF-BE8E-1A8B29DCAFDB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

= --Apple-Mail=_4AB6BCAE-9075-4CCF-BE8E-1A8B29DCAFDB-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 12:19:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC117183493; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 12:19:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=12qNr0iwypxn2ezYpdztv0JOraynczO4sWOMaxsetyY=; b=MDHE3X9xKbbdI/CrPWZ/Ct4D/RolcVRbhbr/04KEtDj22wpZV5LDXUoRNEvOZPWKpj jPfu7Y86x14rrabtFW7Ru566g7gR/W+dCQu+d3ldU9jjo8+gZrYPyVtrgAS3iH+Mm7QD tM8SEBL+chI889w2LF1AEon8kKmw2UlVCG3bXu8dG1lMSKOEIU9E5D0BpEu7VwaSZHna iVh99iLCWTwnPrZuLBKSewvViw8gTPUk3ymBQ0BbqteQktR6fiier9F0tWZRo1klV1zs pSdX3Away+W0WKd3PLFT2Lf2F3dLi33Geh2zYInYi4CsRNa3Fo2KxyVVLfHDFwM85uIy 1Jvw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <3204DB3C-F489-41C9-AF3D-F04D3817729D@mac.com> References: <3204DB3C-F489-41C9-AF3D-F04D3817729D@mac.com> From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:19:35 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: GiJztAfu1uwxhVPB3h3G9kjrobA Message-ID: Subject: Re: Recommendations for iPad pad synth... To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042f973230f60004d3025094 Resent-Message-ID: <2Zd1hB.A.rtF.sNA8QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 12:19:56 +0000 (UTC) --f46d042f973230f60004d3025094 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the tips, I went (for the time being) with Alchemy... I liked what I saw of the remix pad, the same as in NI Kore Player, and Audio Mulch... big fan of making 2 wiledly differing patches and then parking morphs somewhere in between... Just trying to log in to Camel audio to get the freebie pack, seems to be down right now, although 20 mins ago I checked their vids.. M On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 5:32 AM, Daniel Thomas wrote= : > I am loving animoog and addictive. > > Daniel > On Jan 10, 2013, at 4:03 PM, Dennis Moser wrote= : > > > Cassini, Magellan, Animoog, Addictive Synth, Sunrizer, PPG Wave > > Generator =85 that should get you started just fine =85 > > > > Best, > > > > Dennis > > > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > > http://audiozoloft.com > > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 2:53 PM, mark francombe > wrote: > >> After having a lot of fun with some reverby trip hop with some nasty > >> granular noise last night... Almost live.. but done in Logic.. > >> https://soundcloud.com/markfrancombe/atmostrip > >> > >> I realised I need a kind of pad synth for iPad. (I dont take keyboards > or > >> computers out live) > >> > >> Preferably it needs to make a wide variety of granular, reverby, > swooshes > >> and growls. > >> > >> IPAD ONLY!!! > >> > >> M > >> > >> -- > >> Mark Francombe > >> www.markfrancombe.com > >> www.ordoabkhao.com > >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 > >> http://www.looop.no > >> twitter @markfrancombe > >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > > > --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d042f973230f60004d3025094 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the tips, I went (for the time being) with Alch= emy... I liked what I saw of the remix pad, the same as in NI Kore Player, = and Audio Mulch... big fan of making 2 wiledly differing patches and then p= arking morphs somewhere in between...

Just trying to log in to Camel audio to get the freebi= e pack, seems to be down right now, although 20 mins ago I checked their vi= ds..

M


On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 5:32 AM, Daniel = Thomas <danielthomas4@mac.com> wrote:
I am loving animoog and addictive.

Daniel
On Jan 10, 2013, at 4= :03 PM, Dennis Moser <sinsofm= achaut@gmail.com> wrote:

> Cassini, Magellan, Animoog, Addictive Synth, Sunrizer, PPG Wave
> Generator =85 that should get you started just fine =85
>
> Best,
>
> Dennis
>
> http://sou= ndcloud.com/usrsbin
> http://audiozolof= t.com
> http://u= srslashsbin.angrek.com/
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 2:53 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
>> After having a lot of fun with some reverby trip hop with some nas= ty
>> granular noise last night... Almost live.. but done in Logic..
>> https://soundcloud.com/markfrancombe/atmostrip
>>
>> I realised I need a kind of pad synth for iPad. (I dont take keybo= ards or
>> computers out live)
>>
>> Preferably it needs to make a wide variety of granular, reverby, s= wooshes
>> and growls.
>>
>> IPAD ONLY!!!
>>
>> M
>>
>> --
>> Mark Francombe
>> www.mar= kfrancombe.com
>> www.ordoab= khao.com
>> http://v= imeo.com/user825094
>> http://www.looop= .no
>> twitter @markfrancombe
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
>




--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--f46d042f973230f60004d3025094-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 12:48:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C657A183492; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 12:48:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=d1n4wisJe57RXza709HGThMrg+pPI+dcy1PBk+yKnNI=; b=Gqbkfb51Jv7Y5ntxyRXTY5kEoxVQsVCVc5SBNSnFaq3yLMaI3RKBSKt4Sir7Dm518/ Uz546jggTwWLp1NVEhUCf6TvZ1+/t+5oCZ3VEWXxB2bdahWanizH2jvxDMpyJF/2syUy Pceq9Q+dnZszTIqXdOv292iF1ekN7ZY3SUeiqqQbU7niRn1mNlnvXJUQs8hVekKhc5DN rOqY8mC95LRQksyNunh7ErI+gFeJ1oTEBA3nbFKQV7RtBsJxQmdwhWH/wW25qRUskUF6 2VSXsIz+Medg4Cjhx4AHVMDdp4+y6H6x7uaWrSX+rUtnq/nJhz71uJrkF44SA9pKSQoz 6sXw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <3204DB3C-F489-41C9-AF3D-F04D3817729D@mac.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:48:58 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Recommendations for iPad pad synth... From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 12:48:59 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:19 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Thanks for the tips, I went (for the time being) with Alchemy... I liked > what I saw of the remix pad, the same as in NI Kore Player, and Audio > Mulch... big fan of making 2 wiledly differing patches and then parking > morphs somewhere in between... Yes, I remember when you showed me that awesome feature in Audio Mulch at Nancy's Garden, Santa Cruz. In Alchemy you have the remix pad has eight positions and for each position you can define the exact value for a dozen different parameters and then you morph seamlessly between them (parameter gliding towards the next value). The good thing with using a touch iOS device, compared to a joystic, is that you can JUMP between positions. It's great to print automation for Alchemy's remixpad in Logic from the iPhone. Other fun stuff in Alchemy is the arpeggiator, the micro tonal tuning option, granular synthesis and sample processing plus that you can load your own sound files and morph them on the remix pad. Alchemy together with Kontakt 5 is my current favorites to add some cream on top of the Logic's Synths cake. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 13:08:52 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BAD6183494; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:08:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=+tbtXgyGoZI4XRW4H3RANvGY99L2oiny3aDHn9lYxGM=; b=AM6L6Mzjqm2KpauRinK/swwZS3hZqlaWQGzYsNP3ZTaaxQsjFie4CfmFP6I3OZBqeC Q4kXIwNrxoqdPQpyxkk82yseRU36jQ6z6bdoEhADeETiixEHkfOorjdPc80PJaOQoxtf cxzctjWEoXsHsD8mx8QRo7Y2H0JnIfdtXXmVoouK6WMx47Hl3JKFinkhJOELt5ONJt5f MosShRzhqyLYFDLUBmDriMGKgn8cemlU1BxFbh3Ax3C9zgqvnMyolb3G2P81vpfT+B1/ B4TmF5hEykJyIveVHPgB5/QtyXsTHkt0z5J5+kaVMxnECK20ktDCQExh3ZHZT3wFmL2Y DXqw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <3204DB3C-F489-41C9-AF3D-F04D3817729D@mac.com> From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 14:08:30 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: PwcIiSRlP1kQTdM21toa4uSd_GY Message-ID: Subject: Re: Recommendations for iPad pad synth... To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b15a58b2d0a4c04d302ff86 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:08:52 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b15a58b2d0a4c04d302ff86 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well right now I just got the iPad versino of Alchemy, cos I CAN do all these "kind" of things on my laptop, but I dont really have a way live, as I dont take my laptop to gigs.. As I am using iPad to do TouchOSC stuff via missing link to the edps and repeater, I thought it was a waste to NOT have it make some noise too!! And I have tested that a 4 finger swipe can let me switch between Alchemy and TouchOSC, without needed a restart of either, which is nice.. (Although Angry Birds needs a reload, so no Green Pig Death mid gig Im afraid! Mark On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:19 PM, mark francombe > wrote: > > Thanks for the tips, I went (for the time being) with Alchemy... I liked > > what I saw of the remix pad, the same as in NI Kore Player, and Audio > > Mulch... big fan of making 2 wiledly differing patches and then parking > > morphs somewhere in between... > > Yes, I remember when you showed me that awesome feature in Audio Mulch > at Nancy's Garden, Santa Cruz. In Alchemy you have the remix pad has > eight positions and for each position you can define the exact value > for a dozen different parameters and then you morph seamlessly between > them (parameter gliding towards the next value). The good thing with > using a touch iOS device, compared to a joystic, is that you can JUMP > between positions. It's great to print automation for Alchemy's > remixpad in Logic from the iPhone. > > Other fun stuff in Alchemy is the arpeggiator, the micro tonal tuning > option, granular synthesis and sample processing plus that you can > load your own sound files and morph them on the remix pad. > > Alchemy together with Kontakt 5 is my current favorites to add some > cream on top of the Logic's Synths cake. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b15a58b2d0a4c04d302ff86 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well right now I just got the iPad versino of Alchemy, cos= I CAN do all these "kind" of things on my laptop, but I dont rea= lly have a way live, as I dont take my laptop to gigs.. As I am using iPad = to do TouchOSC stuff via missing link to the edps and repeater, I thought i= t was a waste to NOT have it make some noise too!!

And I have tested that a 4 finger swipe can let me swi= tch between Alchemy and TouchOSC, without needed a restart of either, which= is nice.. (Although Angry Birds needs a reload, so no Green Pig Death mid = gig Im afraid!

Mark=A0


On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Per = Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:= 19 PM, mark francombe <mark@ma= rkfrancombe.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the tips, I went (for the time being) with Alchemy... I lik= ed
> what I saw of the remix pad, the same as in NI Kore Player, and Audio<= br> > Mulch... big fan of making 2 wiledly differing patches and then parkin= g
> morphs somewhere in between...

Yes, I remember when you showed me that awesome feature in Audio Mulc= h
at Nancy's Garden, Santa Cruz. In Alchemy you have the remix pad has eight positions and for each position you can define the exact value
for a dozen different parameters and then you morph seamlessly between
them (parameter gliding towards the next value). The good thing with
using a touch iOS device, compared to a joystic, is that you can JUMP
between positions. It's great to print automation for Alchemy's
remixpad in Logic from the iPhone.

Other fun stuff in Alchemy is the arpeggiator, the micro tonal tuning
option, granular synthesis and sample processing plus that you can
load your own sound files and morph them on the remix pad.

Alchemy together with Kontakt 5 is my current favorites to add some
cream on top of the Logic's Synths cake.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen




--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--047d7b15a58b2d0a4c04d302ff86-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 19:29:33 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CDDA183492; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 19:29:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=EOH6yFmaFmExKCwEYS1/g7fj8h0+1Ad9zwCAPFchOLQ=; b=t2EcQPNzsBdbDoF6e/AA5kB8NIlrK1f6gRlj3HWVVLszS4viZ3lGhEMnSbWt/xcEWu 0lIr+pYz8jKxseZMGPoG0O9H3PCUdMdE5e3oQihLoo/7/+89J1MWNh6hYu40fY0XTHTn aoTjAn18U44xPVaZ/teadXiCzV0nQaUPRUsDwNfv/4xwBzuGvW3fTTPvYzFE11JCP0Ap U9WUDfqNKbyJrROYy67Ld0KEmXtl3y5lUc7ZHwScukqcQgwa2MjzsZ7PhOneQjxXrQsU 5FAfolP9guKdh5UNZ2nNTQiw3QMctWUvYWvkaDV3CONR4v6ZKCYBsGvV39/sLgN9P88c 0t+Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <795D4CCE-FFAB-4B93-9B63-27445097597D@christophgrab.com> References: <795D4CCE-FFAB-4B93-9B63-27445097597D@christophgrab.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 11:29:32 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bad experience with Looperlative LP-2 From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 19:29:33 +0000 (UTC) I've had similar experiences, including the half second of silence at the beginning of each loop. The discussion on this site suggests that Bob is trying to balance LP-2 support with a day job and a family, and has trouble keeping up. Rick Walker has been stepping in a bit as a customer service department of sorts. I haven't been happy with it, but haven't had the chance to box it up and send it back yet either. I replaced it with a different looper unit several months ago. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:11 AM, christoph grab wrote: > I'm a saxophonist from Switzerland doing some looping from time to time. > When I heard about the LP-2 I thought this would be holy grail of the looper > pedals - small, with the right features to be creative while looping. In > october'11 I ordered it from Bob Amstad. > When I got it some months later I had to notice that it didn't work as > advertised at all. The feedback function didn't work with the pedals I > tried. It even crashed sometimes. In continous trigger mode I got half a > second of silence in the loop, which makes the function completely useless. > So far, so bad. But the worst thing is: After sending it back to Bob (which > he proposed) I never got a replacement unit or some money back. He even > doesn't react on emails anymore. > I'm posting this not only to warn other people, but also to ask if somebody > had similar problems and how you could resolve it. > Best wishes from Switzerland > Christoph > > http://www.christophgrab.com > http://www.youtube.com/user/beestreet13 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 19:58:54 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69284183494; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 19:58:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com x-originating-ip: 208.109.97.160 Message-ID: <50F06EF8.5080209@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 14:58:48 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #823 for January 10, 2013. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 19:58:54 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/gt/playlists/2013/130110.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #823 January 10, 2013. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels?playlist_date=01-10-2013 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Mystified. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Flickering Fuel" on Dark Meadow Recordings. http://soundscapes.us/gt/playlists/2013/focus.html#jan PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Arcane Darkened Mirrors A Tale of Unease (none) VA [Twyndyllyngs] Lament for Sandyhook Doomsday and Brimstone (Sound for Good) Steve Roach Resolved Soul Tones (Timeroom Editions) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Mystified Raining Red Flickering Fuel (Dark Meadow) Mystified Waste as Fuel Flickering Fuel (Dark Meadow) Mystified Flickering Flickering Fuel (Dark Meadow) Genetique Part 3 Soundscapes Concert Series #19 (Fox's Den) Motionfield Some Other Time * A Sort of Homecoming (Autoload) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Mystified. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Coming Days" on Attenuation Circuit Records. WDIY Announcement: http://wdiy.org/post/next-galactic-travels-2013-01-17 Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 21:46:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAC76183491; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 21:46:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <50F08841.5020604@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:46:41 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MARK FRANCOMBE , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Re: Recommendations for iPad pad synth... References: <3204DB3C-F489-41C9-AF3D-F04D3817729D@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <3204DB3C-F489-41C9-AF3D-F04D3817729D@mac.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030304020809070905070200" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 21:46:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030304020809070905070200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My current favorite iPAD synths are MorphWhiz *SampleWhiz* (both by uber creative keyboard wiz, Jordan Rudess) To me, more than anyone, he has designed things for the iPad that transcend a lot of normal keyboards and even soft synths The use of multiple fingers, different kinds of touch sensitivity and the 3d motion sensing of the iPad really lend to some great expressiveness I love the iPad! and * **Grain Science* The latter is seriously deep and has a set of programmable X/Y pads that can be assigned to anything so that morphability in real time is limitless. It creates beautiful, edgy and modern sounds. Great app, imho. I also found a bunch of specific noise generating iPad apps but my iPad is not where I am right now, so I'll post that list later. Rick Walker --------------030304020809070905070200 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My current favorite iPAD synths are

MorphWhiz
      SampleWhiz  (both by uber creative keyboard wiz, Jordan Rudess)
To me, more than anyone,  he has designed things for the iPad that transcend a lot
of normal keyboards and even soft synths

The use of multiple fingers, different kinds of touch sensitivity and the
3d motion sensing of the iPad really lend to some great expressiveness

I love the iPad!

and

Grain Science


The latter is seriously deep and has a set of programmable
X/Y pads that can be assigned to anything so that morphability
in real time is limitless.
It creates beautiful, edgy and modern sounds.   Great app, imho.

I also found a bunch of specific noise generating iPad apps
but my iPad is not where I am right now, so I'll post that list later.

Rick Walker
--------------030304020809070905070200-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 21:51:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3B53183491; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 21:51:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <50F0897C.7010403@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:51:56 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christoph grab , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Bad experience with Looperlative LP-2 References: <795D4CCE-FFAB-4B93-9B63-27445097597D@christophgrab.com> In-Reply-To: <795D4CCE-FFAB-4B93-9B63-27445097597D@christophgrab.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020902040103010006090800" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 21:51:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020902040103010006090800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 1/11/2013 1:11 AM, christoph grab wrote: > I'm a saxophonist from Switzerland doing some looping from time to > time. When I heard about the LP-2 I thought this would be holy grail > of the looper pedals - small, with the right features to be creative > while looping. In october'11 I ordered it from Bob Amstad. > When I got it some months later I had to notice that it didn't work as > advertised at all. The feedback function didn't work with the pedals I > tried. It even crashed sometimes. In continous trigger mode I got half > a second of silence in the loop, which makes the function completely > useless. > So far, so bad. But the worst thing is: After sending it back to Bob > (which he proposed) I never got a replacement unit or some money back. > He even doesn't react on emails anymore. > I'm posting this not only to warn other people, but also to ask if > somebody had similar problems and how you could resolve it. > Best wishes from Switzerland > Christoph > > http://www.christophgrab.com > http://www.youtube.com/user/beestreet13 > I'll jump on that right away for you, Cristoph. You have every right to be angry about this, but I hope we can get this fixed for you as quickly as possible. I'm so sorry for your experience but we'll make it right for you. The first batch were defective and it took quite a while to get the problems worked out, but Bob finally did and is in the process of sending out units and replacing defective units. I'll call Bob today on your behalf. please write me off list if you have any more questions and please send me your mailing address. My sincerest regrets, Rick Walker (I don't actually work, officially, for Looperlative but I did design the feature set and am working with Bob on Looperaltive matters just to help out, unofficially) --------------020902040103010006090800 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
On 1/11/2013 1:11 AM, christoph grab wrote:
I'm a saxophonist from Switzerland doing some looping from time to time. When I heard about the LP-2 I thought this would be holy grail of the looper pedals - small, with the right features to be creative while looping. In october'11 I ordered it from Bob Amstad.
When I got it some months later I had to notice that it didn't work as advertised at all. The feedback function didn't work with the pedals I tried. It even crashed sometimes. In continous trigger mode I got half a second of silence in the loop, which makes the function completely useless.
So far, so bad. But the worst thing is: After sending it back to Bob (which he proposed) I never got a replacement unit or some money back. He even doesn't react on emails anymore.
I'm posting this not only to warn other people, but also to ask if somebody had similar problems and how you could resolve it.
Best wishes from Switzerland
I'll jump on that right away for you,  Cristoph.
You have every right to be angry about this, but I hope
we can get this fixed for you as quickly as possible.

I'm so sorry for your experience but we'll make it right for you.
The first batch were defective and it took quite a while to get the problems
worked out, but Bob finally did and is in the process of sending out units
and replacing defective units.

I'll call Bob today on your behalf.

please write me off list if you have any more questions and please send me your mailing
address.

My sincerest regrets,

Rick Walker (I don't actually work, officially, for Looperlative but I did design the feature set
and am working with Bob on Looperaltive matters just to help out, unofficially)
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I really would like to buy one. Jamie ------------------------------ On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:51 PM PST Rick Walker wrote: >On 1/11/2013 1:11 AM, christoph grab wrote: >> I'm a saxophonist from Switzerland doing some looping from time to time. When I heard about the LP-2 I thought this would be holy grail of the looper pedals - small, with the right features to be creative while looping. In october'11 I ordered it from Bob Amstad. >> When I got it some months later I had to notice that it didn't work as advertised at all. The feedback function didn't work with the pedals I tried. It even crashed sometimes. In continous trigger mode I got half a second of silence in the loop, which makes the function completely useless. >> So far, so bad. But the worst thing is: After sending it back to Bob (which he proposed) I never got a replacement unit or some money back. He even doesn't react on emails anymore. >> I'm posting this not only to warn other people, but also to ask if somebody had similar problems and how you could resolve it. >> Best wishes from Switzerland >> Christoph >> >> http://www.christophgrab.com >> http://www.youtube.com/user/beestreet13 >> >I'll jump on that right away for you, Cristoph. >You have every right to be angry about this, but I hope >we can get this fixed for you as quickly as possible. > >I'm so sorry for your experience but we'll make it right for you. >The first batch were defective and it took quite a while to get the problems >worked out, but Bob finally did and is in the process of sending out units >and replacing defective units. > >I'll call Bob today on your behalf. > >please write me off list if you have any more questions and please send me your mailing >address. > >My sincerest regrets, > >Rick Walker (I don't actually work, officially, for Looperlative but I did design the feature set >and am working with Bob on Looperaltive matters just to help out, unofficially) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 02:37:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDA48183493; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 02:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com x-originating-ip: 208.109.97.160 Message-ID: <50F0CC6C.8090904@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 21:37:32 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Thought Radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9Bb1LD.A.S2D.vxM8QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 02:37:35 +0000 (UTC) THOUGHT RADIO: http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio ======================================================================= My next stint on Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show, will be Saturday, January 12 at 6 am EST/GMT-5. In Phase One, I will continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs as well as new music from Arcane. You'll hear new music from The Room and Pinnick, Gales & Pridgen during Phase Three. I host the show about every other week. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 04:26:46 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3B41183493; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 04:26:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date :to; bh=ueo7XMPFTEy4F8zIR+JPYZrVcor2mn9SqgSxuj4dyj8=; b=yHuNyf+PKtsPxFVI4xe2nNaHE3wnJ5e5/zeNYgY0m1KTplNfBlDyHGBrbGgNlnFlOq 3yHl5LpWXitebkEAA27KzOl29zcJdIsysWR/WVKPW9AQ2I5dm+fGuO7kuRZhqUV41y2R UYs2szhX0273jKgXbbbohWhDDDIkrNnUDFSDnxfkhJeOTuqx5JgUYXfblFwHQEzwNtQT ZSxI0DdpNSF4cx1Qt5NpkjYP8Kt72gi8inVwymiRiagpABwmFk20oEWMV9tPSKXwDTwN 5OXkDeZl+BZKVis8Is3j/r7wVH8rFUG2oV1krDdwQY9zM9hxMR9M8WNP7HzycuGZkDBU sPfw== X-Received: by 10.224.71.20 with SMTP id f20mr59234109qaj.71.1357964806022; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 20:26:46 -0800 (PST) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <53C3B679-EEFD-4E30-911D-D6987647CFA5@gmail.com> Cc: "DrTVideo@egroups.com" , "eyecandy@egroups.com" , "boss-improv@topica.com" , "iotacenter@egroups.com" , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , "atari-midi@yahoogroups.com" , "Frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com" X-Mailer: iPad Mail (10A523) From: Jim Goodin Subject: Re: New Photo Essay on Flickr Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:26:42 -0500 To: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Resent-Message-ID: <9TKQGC.A.eEC.GYO8QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 04:26:46 +0000 (UTC) Emile really lovely lovely nice series of winter and passing seasons work, p= articularly like all the contrast and graphic shapes that are happening. Ha= ppy new year to you. Jim On Jan 9, 2013, at 11:00 PM, "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" wrote: > Hi folks, >=20 > I haven't posted on Flickr anything since July, so I'll make up for it by= posting my best photos of 2012 in approximately chronological order. >=20 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/sets/72157632485591206 > --=20 > " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley >=20 > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. > Video Producer Image Processing Specialist > Video for your HEAD! Boris FX > http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 12:38:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78390183490; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 12:38:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WHj2XkeyzB/2AoPWpISsaDfF13neA5wO+v6zrSEhfr8=; b=qcPcHtmWZfnhFf5lfeOYBzHyqMfBxBMUJeZPYccfDxni3JIFQ5AuDWCuqotgOlI0bD 24+DkdeeElvfdcERY+6sYaJXG7KYCgDJqBosfhErfrh7B0OYFvzDgty/TF+Dh+r5eHaj SkYy4cH1Iz++fcPvPWr1v2UU/464k5gIlOd/mcXSA9zr/0JqMjOrVJyWJ5vj71TM69p1 JwZD7l2R5EezCtDDQ1PdkPILCP0SX4hrj2SBLeUHUndV8rOZdnL/XAm89lLmp/MFoRaB ZmB1GUbmPeKtqZDfAa7Z1a7zczUIv74q43uOCXgTxBYn6Q483JP6EfDKuQOzcV+4qgCO SHbQ== X-Received: by 10.204.147.8 with SMTP id j8mr38193402bkv.105.1357994307133; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 04:38:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50F15940.50105@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:38:24 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: question re: hardware samplers? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 12:38:28 +0000 (UTC) This topic is somewhat dated, so I'll just add my proverbial .02 to it - sorry if it has already been covered: One of the things with the hardware samplers of old is getting stuff stored/restored. Typcially, it's oldskool parallel/single-ended SCSI, and nobody uses that anymore, and any media you get for that (e.g. harddisks) are old, slow, big package, small capacity and loud. However, there's workarounds for that. As for the use as an instrument (as for capturing instrument sounds and playing them in a tuned fashion), there really isn't any reason to work on a hardware solution today. If someone still uses a hardware sampler, it's a) capturing loops on the fly (aka the DJ application - see Akai MPC etc.) b) samplers which can do funny other things in realtime (aka the oddness of Thomas DiMuzio and his Kurz) As for b), list member Matt Davignon did a three-part interview on youtube with artist (and Y2kloopfest performer) Thomas DiMuzio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6SSlv-1Zew He uses a Kurzweil K2600RS, which has a feature called "live sampling" where you can play your samples while they are played - without going into too many details, just watch those videos, and you'll get the hang of it. Are there other things (hw or sw) which do that what the Kurzweil does, btw? The Kurz is, as mentioned above, using oldskool SCSI for storage. If you really must use one (like me), a good approach is to use a SCSI-connected card reader, which allows you to design your sample sets on the computer, then copy them to an e.g. SD card and quickly transfer them to the Kurz - an approach which should work with other hw samplers as well. Yours, Rainer Scott Hansen schrieb: > does anyone (DJs?) still use hardware samplers anymore? or has > everything gone to computer software? > i was just curious. > seems like all i ever see anymore in DJ pics is computers w/ a small > mixer....but maybe i'm not looking close enough! -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 12:53:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84BA718348C; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 12:53:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vqe38ncrgrLeUdJvHruyCkaZScY4im3n0+fI6LbL5QU=; b=m8a1fxRXV052TeR4yMwHueNbscf11YHisCuEjEMPYrip3cSGmReL5BlC6049WzDKIg /DEqlsU7M7wOgCILQqMgxKu3a+p1XXwEtnO6eYt/8OIu+QUJqqvIoVGkCyoFCSX6yxDN kcfAAPd6IUrl3ceO4fPO8IhfvgDyJeWiXDmtccBthJgfZK4DX6yCSsyeexB9+GAPbIeb +bRZ8OjgbbhfdSn0I5freFODfnnW81LW0T9CIE6NrsBUxz4sB7RFpqvzQ8XKf9FItokx +F6qMSNRpTF7zZavXbkpIuNOPM1wUo5slHHRYN2eYAr3A9a2gcA72GEN7w7hBpMn1gKF fTEw== X-Received: by 10.204.5.69 with SMTP id 5mr36986332bku.26.1357995234399; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 04:53:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50F15CE0.5010901@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:53:52 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tips and Tricks of Gear Organization References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 12:53:55 +0000 (UTC) Kevin Cheli-Colando schrieb: > what kinds of tricks people have come up with to A) keep their studio > space as clutter free and productive as possible B) make set-up and > tear down of gear manageable and C) whatever else works for you and > makes your musical life better (materially speaking) What everyone else said, generally, only: Cable tiers are invaluable for all applications! Get them and use them. Discriminate between those which will remain in place forever (or for a long time), and those which you need to open again regularily. for a): Patchbays are important. I tend to plan my setups around the patchbays, and then optimize the wiring around those. Coloured cables also help, especially in cramped racks. A logic where you put your wires is also helpful (e.g. audio on the left, power and MIDI on the right). for b): that rule from software engineering also applies - the setup isn't finished when there's nothing left to be added, it's finished when there's nothing left to be removed. specialized and high-quality cases/bags are your friend. (laptop) computers are not optimized to be built into a music setup. This requires specific solutions (e.g. I'm using a "Studio2Go" case by Gator, which holds the laptop, the audio interface and the wireless stuff in one case. A pair of XLRs to the mains and connectors to the faderbox and floor pedal (marked) come out at the back). Or work around that by using an industry PC (which you can then remote-control with a tablet or smartphone). Use multicores if applicable. Practice your setup/teardown. Take a video of you doing it, and take time. Find out where you lose time and optimize your setup at these points. E.g. if you find that you always lose 10 seconds to find out which of the two XLRs is left and which is right channel because you have to turn them around until you see the label, either put labels on both sides, or use coloured cables, or make them come out at different sides from your rack. Document, and keep the documentation with your gear. Normally, you will not need it, but if at a gig you find that the signal from the wireless receiver doesn't arrive at the audio interface, it helps to just look into a chart which says "wireless out through yellow patch cable into input 2 of audio interface". Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 15:00:09 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98383183492; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 15:00:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=eCxy14OQFbFJ2AAYk6JLo1ibrLP3ZAABIsPQ5iS6U7c=; b=YrKMi5xZzTKTTyLa8NEcA3rfXpdEUgFNN2OUjAAHbdm/pbTKGWXRanY8m0szeIq4zE NWCTfnegEzCMDoLAdmWEfRhyZ9jWvvlvLsPFv/3TZclmnTqe8owS22Ev4JY92TY1pXm/ ImCj5i+BLISVvK1kVjN/AfN99H1FSxVjToWxhMmpuHGy0SSkLjDAOEFibAHmpXUizx1l YfdLO34aaaFVaEFveMNe5j7b6EYgRUtkhw+Oe2o44jNWFX0hndWflENMjaKydubEWnuw j1tLWqJg/LCzYOiBYu7dYYtm7lGUT7JXu11QZp87wZkoi3+kM8lcPP9dFgjMswqzIDUw KHJw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <50F15940.50105@googlemail.com> References: <50F15940.50105@googlemail.com> From: Steven Clements Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 07:59:28 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: question re: hardware samplers? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54ee14cfcce0104d318aa8b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 15:00:09 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec54ee14cfcce0104d318aa8b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Wow those were GREAT vids I'd love to see how he put that all together - what an inspiration! On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 5:38 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > This topic is somewhat dated, so I'll just add my proverbial .02 to it - > sorry if it has already been covered: > One of the things with the hardware samplers of old is getting stuff > stored/restored. Typcially, it's oldskool parallel/single-ended SCSI, and > nobody uses that anymore, and any media you get for that (e.g. harddisks) > are old, slow, big package, small capacity and loud. However, there's > workarounds for that. > > As for the use as an instrument (as for capturing instrument sounds and > playing them in a tuned fashion), there really isn't any reason to work on > a hardware solution today. If someone still uses a hardware sampler, it's > a) capturing loops on the fly (aka the DJ application - see Akai MPC > etc.) > b) samplers which can do funny other things in realtime (aka the > oddness of Thomas DiMuzio and his Kurz) > > As for b), list member Matt Davignon did a three-part interview on youtube > with artist (and Y2kloopfest performer) Thomas DiMuzio: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=z6SSlv-1Zew > He uses a Kurzweil K2600RS, which has a feature called "live sampling" > where you can play your samples while they are played - without going into > too many details, just watch those videos, and you'll get the hang of it. > > Are there other things (hw or sw) which do that what the Kurzweil does, > btw? > > The Kurz is, as mentioned above, using oldskool SCSI for storage. If you > really must use one (like me), a good approach is to use a SCSI-connected > card reader, which allows you to design your sample sets on the computer, > then copy them to an e.g. SD card and quickly transfer them to the Kurz - > an approach which should work with other hw samplers as well. > > Yours, > > Rainer > > Scott Hansen schrieb: > > does anyone (DJs?) still use hardware samplers anymore? or has everything >> gone to computer software? >> i was just curious. >> seems like all i ever see anymore in DJ pics is computers w/ a small >> mixer....but maybe i'm not looking close enough! >> > > > -- > http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs > > --bcaec54ee14cfcce0104d318aa8b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow those were GREAT vids

I'd love to see how he put that all to= gether - what an inspiration!


On Sat,= Jan 12, 2013 at 5:38 AM, Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail= .com> wrote:
This topic is somewhat dated, so I'll ju= st add my proverbial .02 to it - sorry if it has already been covered:
One of the things with the hardware samplers of old is getting stuff stored= /restored. Typcially, it's oldskool parallel/single-ended SCSI, and nob= ody uses that anymore, and any media you get for that (e.g. harddisks) are = old, slow, big package, small capacity and loud. However, there's worka= rounds for that.

As for the use as an instrument (as for capturing instrument sounds and pla= ying them in a tuned fashion), there really isn't any reason to work on= a hardware solution today. If someone still uses a hardware sampler, it= 9;s
=C2=A0 =C2=A0a) capturing loops on the fly (aka the DJ application - see Ak= ai MPC etc.)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0b) samplers which can do funny other things in realtime (aka t= he oddness of Thomas DiMuzio and his Kurz)

As for b), list member Matt Davignon did a three-part interview on youtube = with artist (and Y2kloopfest performer) Thomas DiMuzio:
= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dz6SSlv-1Zew
He uses a Kurzweil K2600RS, which has a feature called "live sampling&= quot; where you can play your samples while they are played - without going= into too many details, just watch those videos, and you'll get the han= g of it.

Are there other things (hw or sw) which do that what the Kurzweil does, btw= ?

The Kurz is, as mentioned above, using oldskool SCSI for storage. If you re= ally must use one (like me), a good approach is to use a SCSI-connected car= d reader, which allows you to design your sample sets on the computer, then= copy them to an e.g. SD card and quickly transfer them to the Kurz - an ap= proach which should work with other hw samplers as well.

Yours,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Rainer

Scott Hansen schrieb:

does anyone (DJs?) still use hardware samplers anymore? or has everything g= one to computer software?
i was just curious.
seems like all i ever see anymore in DJ pics is computers w/ a small mixer.= ...but maybe i'm not looking close enough!


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--bcaec54ee14cfcce0104d318aa8b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 15:53:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F946183493; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 15:53:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 352 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 15:53:05 UTC Message-ID: From: "David Auker" To: References: <50F15940.50105@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <50F15940.50105@googlemail.com> Subject: QUIT Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 07:47:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 15:53:05 +0000 (UTC) Please quit me--thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 16:04:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86C16183492; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:04:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 556 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:04:04 UTC X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah8JAB2G8VAyaC3Y/2dsb2JhbABFg0e6SBaDEQEBAQMBOAJECwUGRlcqiAIGpCyREY4FgkhhA4hhkxWNcg X-Originating-IP: [50.104.45.216] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.45.216 Message-Id: <1AB644A6-F0F1-4683-A16C-1E86A4B89CA4@frontier.com> From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: QUIT X-Priority: 3 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 09:55:58 -0600 References: <50F15940.50105@googlemail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:04:04 +0000 (UTC) I hereby quit you. On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:47 AM, David Auker wrote: > Please quit me--thanks! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 18:08:08 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31336183492; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 18:08:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com x-originating-ip: 208.109.97.160 Message-ID: <50F1A685.6000503@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:08:05 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Thought Radio Playlist for January 12, 2013. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 18:08:08 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio/playlists/2013/130112.html The Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show has alternating hosts. When I am at the helm, the show is called Thought Radio and you can expect to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am EST/GMT-5 on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. http://soundscapes.us/afterglow/index.html Show #241 January 12, 2013. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Kirchenkampf] aliensapiens Doomsday and Brimstone (Sound for Good) VA [Ian Boddy and Excert from Red Sequences No. 22 Markus Reuter] Giant VA [Nautilus] Deep Earth Sequences No. 22 Arcane The Portrain A Tale of Unease (none) Steve Roach Soul Tones * Soul Tones (Timeroom Editions) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Trine Opsahl To a Wild Rose Somewhere In a Hidden Memory (Heart to Heart) Trine Opsahl A Star In Heaven Is Somewhere In a Hidden Memory Born Tonight (Heart to Heart) Uwe Gronau centre Pompidou Visions (none) Project Trio William Tell When Will Then Be Now (none) Overture Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Tiles Reasonable Doubt Presents of Mind (Magna Carta) Nick D'Virgilio Childhood's End Pieces (none) Pinnick Gales Hang On, Big Brother Pinnick Gales Pridgen (Magna Pridgen Carta) Pinnick Gales Wishing Well Pinnick Gales Pridgen (Magna Pridgen Carta) The Room The Spark Open Fire (Melodic Revolution) Elliot Knap An Unsettling Cheap Seats at the Cartesian Preposition Theater (none) Alan Morse Cold Fusion * Four O'clock and Hysteria (InsideOut) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDRs that come with each issue of Sequences electronic music magazine. Bill Fox ======================================================================== Host of Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST/GMT-5. Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music. Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Website - http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 20:59:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED308183493; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 20:59:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=jDZZqJksj7z1luBnz77AGq2CE0BHU0PAz5c9dIxmsVU=; b=gv5v/AzUba6TYrnX9X3mfKbDKWawrGt9LrsiyJ2o2AjV4e8IMrlYS51OrrpCEoAztG QgctEysAJOTg+iqHYfz4hikeZMPQW4yAnp1fjl69si4YsYyGernAJHMAFFq3xnWY0bLf QM7h3bV4+I4j7bnGmbaEEvA5y+hRITyLybbZLKbYkGxL2s3Hk7hQ8wPyUXkyVvrOTLIL pJqazC7Sxh7MT/+LreuaHRqRCZbcBCQn7C3eFISTOhDTA7CIHOuMSUtxL3TuImlxOaZt mXzSnaNHabE9ivYrdAr2Lg0Z86GU6vx27wn1uBcgf3liAKnEYnPwfaVJdZ7avXfn1Y7q l66g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <1AB644A6-F0F1-4683-A16C-1E86A4B89CA4@frontier.com> References: <50F15940.50105@googlemail.com> <1AB644A6-F0F1-4683-A16C-1E86A4B89CA4@frontier.com> From: mark francombe Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 21:59:32 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: NKMoYWXM5dxY_IA8lvPZhvq-knk Message-ID: Subject: Re: QUIT To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3071c8bc7dc66904d31db133 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 20:59:52 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3071c8bc7dc66904d31db133 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Awww Jeff, dont be sarky to the poor quitter... he did say thanks... The thing is David, you can't quit... you are stuck with unfeasible amounts of mail forever, we all hate looping really, just we put up with it rather than st pressing the delete button 30 times a day... Or you can go to the Loopers Delight website and read how to do it.. but none of us can understand that... Good luck! M On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > I hereby quit you. > > On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:47 AM, David Auker wrote: > > Please quit me--thanks! >> >> > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf3071c8bc7dc66904d31db133 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Awww Jeff, dont be sarky to the poor quitter... he did say= thanks...

The thing is David, you can't quit.= .. you are stuck with=A0unfeasible=A0amounts of mail forever, we all hate l= ooping really, just we put up with it rather than st pressing the delete bu= tton 30 times a day...

Or you can go to the Loopers Delight websit= e and read how to do it.. but none of us can understand that...

Good luck!

M
--20cf3071c8bc7dc66904d31db133-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 21:03:27 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26AF618348F; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 21:03:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Q9MbYgGeXpmGYvzyrgfDZWSl/GCUoX51FFefEUb1BlM=; b=YDTGLVfFGmnX9njqR4pam4WvaR5ExLHW5T3HgBIa2/Z++aEM6BPyMw9wWGPafb//PM xyOMufmKhiXi03SRtEGsc1LR6TmA+UdFm0HIJU/UwScJrCYQv2M86aDGa5EYLYCjTovi 54qR0kaXdOI5m/6bzFzw3AQpgs/VUoIW005w1kB22d6wAv7CSUZd1XwFhMSPmkOUkV1g JICZuobNGE9jfKYVrdndYX7r2etdZKwXE4iZchCpZKGR0gWRwSdybifYJsAdDdFAmv2l Qx9cJpvl4ooaQALDzIYQVtu0jr5yODfDCvgYhxG2WEcBB1XKHq3HWD9/lZGqj6kU09Cd Lo8w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <50F15940.50105@googlemail.com> <1AB644A6-F0F1-4683-A16C-1E86A4B89CA4@frontier.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 22:03:26 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: QUIT From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 21:03:27 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, in fact this mailing list is what Hotel California is about. Few knows because none has escaped... but the truth is in the loop. If you miss it it will hit again. And again. And again. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 9:59 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Awww Jeff, dont be sarky to the poor quitter... he did say thanks... > > The thing is David, you can't quit... you are stuck with unfeasible amounts > of mail forever, we all hate looping really, just we put up with it rather > than st pressing the delete button 30 times a day... > > Or you can go to the Loopers Delight website and read how to do it.. but > none of us can understand that... > > Good luck! > > M > > > On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: >> >> I hereby quit you. >> >> On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:47 AM, David Auker wrote: >> >>> Please quit me--thanks! >>> >> > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 21:06:49 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B30BF183498; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 21:06:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 159858.63417.bm@omp1027.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1358024808; bh=BhdIfNJ69gZu1PdoU6oOwY0gkP4MlZZjfSZf6WhOi6Q=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=J2AQu17WnViRmRq4VB+BJaSyMJkQ2H73LA18n2TzMEjK98KSiUnozJKB2JrLhV5iczrHbygw/duzNYKzirYEkpCmslZKxxnmNbGRcJ2Akw8LsANwnVAvGX1kr1SXoNc9ZHQGjAAwqiXN/1uytwsTSw54mfyWY+GYJhTwd+z8zg4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=05E+92y3FvtjQwfBVim/lrMQiz2OmBu2UanfqQAsxHBS71nT7sQtGCRdH57DULUxnKnrP8EhrdDOe9jgT4KH4hgrosJ3DpdzVD+x43eAsKGeO1OxH1H0Jua+llBvPdLGNXTEJJrneBQVb62W73AapcdOPzrMmMXplRII868DQd8=; X-YMail-OSG: e8IfyB8VM1kbBoZNS7NJN898dLEGpuWabbOBSbR5G74W2FN KtVVuQ.VCpGwP9Cj9.4sKGXw9rVTmnKPA32Mh9Qo_nvlZn4b6YhRrhzj_VtI LR9CbwPs3HqdcjauBX4vxXEd5jS__V1rSHHlyIbvz00a95.ayGoBQpUZHPol wW1iG13FlkZhFS_CrwAjLAcSNmQ7tRtThdslA5u7TnzckbqCXmD02i1Shu8i h.bYSwOogDpfbAuoZc8I5TvwmBxzpxZujg3BNrw8LDYn1lA4.A6sKMm7tr80 P5YraKOwvlpSwEbt98y.fAt2KjyieCdjOc.GFsVGOJ1bwbXvmWoN.zZBZ4cx NE9zz6M2t7IyH0Lh3hJkYeZ6_tVNJSwQwW275xc46IhMarMBKpYOAYud.dPB wCq7zpvrE7bUndD1Q5zXZ3b_pYm8CIvLPIAHky44hdadk4pipSlH4E8a1ncN DgBDq2Dx_UA_kPq3h6UCPL_QEo1HwOE3vNqxtZzPykNQnd.SNjZnIVlBylcj t5OxlRPCNZKVRkAh.W3i4PeheB659oatjz251_ARZS.qbbmnxwjVeSZ7qn1v N53v1Aena3Nld.C6iPdniTBYK.DD6.TAFhZR6_iRxTbv77VhY_mybjgu4XVr hxVvXM9TCp2hiAQSVCs0JcbjT9WfE2cz41Rwa4z6BLKqmLUQTxUCtoMsvtvK BfZoOI9mjKw-- X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,aHR0cDovL3lvdXR1LmJlL2p3bFlvOEVZVFdJCgpodHRwOi8vd3d3Lmxvb3BlcnMtZGVsaWdodC5jb20vTERhcmNoaXZlLzIwMDcwNS9tc2cwMDYwNS5odG1sCgoKCk9uIEphbiAxMiwgMjAxMywgYXQgOTo0NyBBTSwgRGF2aWQgQXVrZXIgd3JvdGU6Cj4KPgo.UGxlYXNlIHF1aXQgbWUtLXRoYW5rcyEKPj4KPj4KPgEwAQEBAQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.130.494 References: <50F15940.50105@googlemail.com> <1AB644A6-F0F1-4683-A16C-1E86A4B89CA4@frontier.com> Message-ID: <1358024808.21022.YahooMailNeo@web160806.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:06:48 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Reply-To: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: QUIT To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <80jK_.A.2PE.pBd8QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 21:06:49 +0000 (UTC) http://youtu.be/jwlYo8EYTWI http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200705/msg00605.html On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:47 AM, David Auker wrote: > > >Please quit me--thanks! >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 01:50:40 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F582183492; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 01:50:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "David Auker" To: "loopers-delight" References: <50F15940.50105@googlemail.com> <1AB644A6-F0F1-4683-A16C-1E86A4B89CA4@frontier.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: QUIT Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 17:50:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_016F_01CDF0ED.4D3DE5F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 01:50:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_016F_01CDF0ED.4D3DE5F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Aw, guess I=E2=80=99d miss the mail, not that I even read most of it = (does anyone?)=20 From: mark francombe=20 Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:59 PM To: loopers-delight=20 Subject: Re: QUIT Awww Jeff, dont be sarky to the poor quitter... he did say thanks...=20 The thing is David, you can't quit... you are stuck with unfeasible = amounts of mail forever, we all hate looping really, just we put up with = it rather than st pressing the delete button 30 times a day... Or you can go to the Loopers Delight website and read how to do it.. but = none of us can understand that... Good luck! M On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Jeff Shirkey = wrote: I hereby quit you. On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:47 AM, David Auker wrote: Please quit me--thanks! --=20 Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ ------=_NextPart_000_016F_01CDF0ED.4D3DE5F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Aw, guess I=E2=80=99d miss the mail, not that I even read most of = it (does anyone?)=20
 
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: QUIT
 
Awww Jeff, dont be sarky to the poor quitter... he did = say=20 thanks...=20
 
The thing is David, you can't quit... you are stuck with unfeasible = amounts=20 of mail forever, we all hate looping really, just we put up with it = rather than=20 st pressing the delete button 30 times a day...
 
Or you can go to the Loopers Delight website and read how to do = it.. but=20 none of us can understand that...
 
Good luck!
 
M


On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Jeff Shirkey = <jcshirke@frontier.com> wrote:
I hereby quit you.

On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:47 = AM, David=20 Auker wrote:

Please quit=20 me--thanks!




 
--
Mark=20 Francombe

www.markfrancombe.comwww.ordoabkhao.comhttp://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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------=_NextPart_000_016F_01CDF0ED.4D3DE5F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 01:53:34 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7066183494; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 01:53:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3x09@carlsonarts.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 871998.80153.bm@smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: Fm2YagMVM1kn1fnv2XGSLCowWMoPM1aB4W0Dn5_uj.Ua_YR 7es5lOCsG564WgMRR15oWWZP1BltGZeZh6ElSFAs3IYmnQP8IBmhfa499Jqq UWg.rBEd_hlgjuCeUmQBpMt5Dvy2ESk2XkUoEomefYbi2GYhZL.YnmNJBLJc o6.5q.kXOf02jN7ZlAYwRjQQw_JA43D6bLCeu79_2bGykiQ0vK55liWFpX1w .V0x2jwx3BByIId0fHZ.5OETD02hUzqrSgeJCJbJx42SeHXEk42xSSfIBXzY sNGSStIGMXP2omnOMxqZhwXypIuUEU.fjZXqS9CTWnAIQa29TI4iMzlyhLNS r_vNhK4A1_Rwx5Mujx1r42zagKhCdtuPJwXeN4Zq_nVC0dVkjzbv.e5rDYBb HQDEczT1aHVtWv.WWXmNcibGBCra0rSEXOW8ZQuUCGozZJEaxa.3MeiSY_eu 2AnrVcHNYHsGTOdrEgPEg0ezDz5fgVJtyRTTbaYKOkLlbVDsBKsgo5Jn4yFl BYBHV6joF4xpk_CQrna1CGgzG1TOCBqFuJq0qZxFJeJPLeMUQXxSgbR1I2eo 5bISVcY31I4uBBWk.._nB2HwlRo9tYlN58sHn5HHv1UttNFYxmI_rSh7snuo 1V9cp0yxMnAMdzTXt7sgC1xUtMhfOorP1abLeEwzTKYjWIjEka_CwvL8gUg9 7dapJIgs.pGnJWohQfDdmjPp7sGh_FuSAT7CSgxufGAdM_t95XItUyuQ5v32 ctc04qmv3zdGc8Gvmnhk- X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F References: <50F15940.50105@googlemail.com> <1AB644A6-F0F1-4683-A16C-1E86A4B89CA4@frontier.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--369793432 Message-Id: From: TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> Subject: Re: QUIT Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 17:53:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <-NwicB.A.4FG.eOh8QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 01:53:34 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--369793432 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Please acquit me. OJ On Jan 12, 2013, at 5:50 PM, David Auker wrote: > Aw, guess I=92d miss the mail, not that I even read most of it (does = anyone?) > =20 > From: mark francombe > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:59 PM > To: loopers-delight > Subject: Re: QUIT > =20 > Awww Jeff, dont be sarky to the poor quitter... he did say thanks... > =20 > The thing is David, you can't quit... you are stuck with unfeasible = amounts of mail forever, we all hate looping really, just we put up with = it rather than st pressing the delete button 30 times a day... > =20 > Or you can go to the Loopers Delight website and read how to do it.. = but none of us can understand that... > =20 > Good luck! > =20 > M >=20 >=20 > On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Jeff Shirkey = wrote: > I hereby quit you. >=20 > On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:47 AM, David Auker wrote: >=20 > Please quit me--thanks! >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 > --=20 > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --Apple-Mail-1--369793432 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
Aw, guess I=92d miss the mail, not that I even read most of it = (does anyone?)=20
 
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: QUIT
 
Awww Jeff, dont be sarky to the poor quitter... he did = say=20 thanks...=20
 
The thing is David, you can't quit... you are stuck with unfeasible = amounts=20 of mail forever, we all hate looping really, just we put up with it = rather than=20 st pressing the delete button 30 times a day...
 
Or you can go to the Loopers Delight website and read how to do = it.. but=20 none of us can understand that...
 
Good luck!
 
M


On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Jeff Shirkey = <jcshirke@frontier.com> wrote:
I hereby quit = you.

On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:47 AM, David=20 Auker wrote:

Please quit=20 me--thanks!




 
--
Mark=20 Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter = @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/

= --Apple-Mail-1--369793432-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 02:00:49 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25B7A183492; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 02:00:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=trufun.com; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject; bh=6i0bTspBPGptbcL1kbkLguBbTCvtAafy6oHJmmOFGiQ=; b=KLaCSjjdVOBtNOgCNTAtBHU40nGN621JBiWgS5Kznzs9E2dLvim7OQ+CIL1EBVpCHO316aWnUWLlUjHzfAwbk78h364yOIurNoZjRqOV+fVJ7vGKtlvBZRQ1cQG9pBUt; Subject: Re: QUIT Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2617B9D1-5400-4FA0-AC59-D5B4F0E8FF63" From: David Gans X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 18:00:35 -0800 Cc: David Gans Message-Id: <48BCF4AE-02F5-4D18-B100-36BE9D3C7AA4@trufun.com> References: <50F15940.50105@googlemail.com> <1AB644A6-F0F1-4683-A16C-1E86A4B89CA4@frontier.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: vps.gdhour.com: acl_c_relayhosts_text_entry: david@trufun.com|trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <6JSVmB.A.EOG.RVh8QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 02:00:49 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_2617B9D1-5400-4FA0-AC59-D5B4F0E8FF63 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 And please requite me! On Jan 12, 2013, at 5:53 PM, TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> wrote: > Please acquit me. David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans --Apple-Mail=_2617B9D1-5400-4FA0-AC59-D5B4F0E8FF63 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 carlsonarts.com> wrote:
Please acquit me.

david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
Truth = and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA = 94610-2730




= --Apple-Mail=_2617B9D1-5400-4FA0-AC59-D5B4F0E8FF63-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 03:56:23 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAD7E183493; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 03:56:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <50F23072.4040107@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 19:56:34 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Elmer Fuddski , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: When will the LP-2 be ready to ship was: Bad experience with Looperlative LP-2 References: <1357947763.93233.BPMail_high_carrier@web121604.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1357947763.93233.BPMail_high_carrier@web121604.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 03:56:23 +0000 (UTC) I don't have a date yet. Bob is making sure every person who bought one originally gets a working one or their money refunded. I imagine it will take a month more at least, but I'll let you know as soon as he starts taking new orders. Right now, unlike perhaps any other hardware looper on the market, they are being hand assembled. Rick Walker On 1/11/2013 3:42 PM, Elmer Fuddski wrote: > When will the LP2 be available for shipping. I really would like to buy one. > > Jamie > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 04:07:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D9BE18348C; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 04:07:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=trufun.com; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; bh=lyPjRRTCPyEGf4olJCFC8VvYNezaG+tblA0nkXDTTLY=; b=pV+F0+KxfckEhLLYW0R/aEDpaffJBIpQo/Wjw3AFrsD9KZMckJXs1YzdvHDR9NSICSqtX4QfhIwZGGV4uxFs8yOv+BBBxfTgBBwDgOynyS3QUCrzXqPUfW4qnC1pcUOa; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: When will the LP-2 be ready to ship was: Bad experience with Looperlative LP-2 From: David Gans In-Reply-To: <50F23072.4040107@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 20:07:22 -0800 Cc: David Gans , Elmer Fuddski Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0E8C7E59-E2BD-4E69-9CD1-7F602F419BE2@trufun.com> References: <1357947763.93233.BPMail_high_carrier@web121604.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <50F23072.4040107@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: vps.gdhour.com: acl_c_relayhosts_text_entry: david@trufun.com|trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <8yXfx.A.9_G.8Lj8QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 04:07:24 +0000 (UTC) So this time it is ready for prime time? I can order one and be pleased = with what I get? On Jan 12, 2013, at 7:56 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > I don't have a date yet. >=20 > Bob is making sure every person who bought one originally gets > a working one or their money refunded. >=20 > I imagine it will take a month more at least, but I'll let you know as = soon as he starts > taking new orders. >=20 > Right now, unlike perhaps any other hardware looper on the market, = they are being hand > assembled. >=20 >=20 > Rick Walker >=20 >=20 David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 08:45:37 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2610D183494; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 08:45:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <1358024808.21022.YahooMailNeo@web160806.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1358024808.21022.YahooMailNeo@web160806.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: QUIT Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 09:45:24 +0100 Message-ID: <001e01cdf16a$545ed1a0$fd1c74e0$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac3xCLwD8duFIg/zQMOGYfeFcNiaVQAYYuwg Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: <4_Byz.A.z8.xQn8QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 08:45:37 +0000 (UTC) > http://youtu.be/jwlYo8EYTWI lol -mpe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 09:34:20 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED3EF183492; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 09:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1358069660; bh=otQ6kSDW5ni4jIBFa7BfXw2oHt2X41hDNTHGAznq+8U=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:X-Priority:In-Reply-To:Date:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer; b=bAhsPDZbAPpKGqoj0Eg07M741121vP3O4fmjFRUEszN5zxvOrywvIrpa9Rjl+kL2DXA6zFOqH2u77UzvY8FGy9h0mHeffieegYYZPDMhdSWwTUzeZkXl+7Ho0xIRCtRvJYhbhEjoURnwsASe39HA51Yq8+uplaqR6SQEwk1ldfQ= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 46255.69336.bm@smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: dNLA.mkVM1mqzBQjuY9lC7HMgLGJNtvGLiSid6foiFa.iX4 mlQQUzP5uvlSGjpN50yy1vbOefDEoijTcOpzIVgTw6HHLhrpVwlfnS27M03m ZTcOvgZVewfJDSqpe0UmvlkaSNpfkzuecrv8ZWTnSI3U92F2Psu6kZz1emqh qAIMWHUBHNPPBh_WnZNVboFxO05W2dyeVqHrkvH.3zk7_V3Jba41GVgpqnh6 P7QhQolazAG1tKJ991vOXuVSS898MRztaf6VudsvlNCKNGnsStiIlye10jPm w6HsGAT5eAFjVGZ63.y0BDeYOA3l5ePMybCcFCxWz6FJ7IT6XwSXv5dVqmKz TCkqTyxFRmh_gtU.g.sIuq0EA3VRLj26QewHQsaz1JAqbNUjHJtRkfDJa4vJ 2a_RNd18caSZbaUEfwhv3mWZTQz.20HuLxXNH9J6PXpjzViZCtqoGLyZjc0z iqob2fCDxeG1NokMX4ChImMckWapwWibpPa0Cruil7OdnQkCK_vpfqdIlwHW EQZJgSqJLE89pL58OzxmSh3lkxvpcRSIFo_xSK2CltRZd4ZtSWOcnjXTI.Hg MakS.k4q6ge8WL00GPsIthvkH30wAwRomu1cZ7NCMT6UjVgUmhHIKxWPyOMb EP0SeK5MxRv8dboz5F._toGYHBSo4WR4- X-Yahoo-SMTP: ILs26NSswBDuK82.iJb8TCN7cubm0SmUbZYidhSBIQ-- Subject: Re: QUIT Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6D40B4B3-F727-44EB-B531-0BC867E052ED" From: Laurie Amat X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <48BCF4AE-02F5-4D18-B100-36BE9D3C7AA4@trufun.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 01:34:18 -0800 Message-Id: References: <50F15940.50105@googlemail.com> <1AB644A6-F0F1-4683-A16C-1E86A4B89CA4@frontier.com> <48BCF4AE-02F5-4D18-B100-36BE9D3C7AA4@trufun.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 09:34:20 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_6D40B4B3-F727-44EB-B531-0BC867E052ED Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Well played, Monsieur! On Jan 12, 2013, at 6:00 PM, David Gans wrote: > > > And please requite me! > > > > > On Jan 12, 2013, at 5:53 PM, TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> wrote: > >> Please acquit me. > > David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com > Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 > Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com > Web site: http://www.dgans.com > Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans > Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans > > > > --Apple-Mail=_6D40B4B3-F727-44EB-B531-0BC867E052ED Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Well = played, Monsieur!


david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
Truth = and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA = 94610-2730





= --Apple-Mail=_6D40B4B3-F727-44EB-B531-0BC867E052ED-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 13:24:15 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FBB918348C; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 13:24:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6KxrKIJ+6nPl1SOWdw2QuGY+cSqO7pExBZs6dUsJYak=; b=QLIDVJ9TSFFekTeVD439FvFTBZLxXDImsGXWqpzYQgVIfnJ+7NET5nExIFnYoFRzoC zLZ9KAIrG9iKcu4h5ng648dzO0FKvsJhgnFw6cWTI2hx2bHpvkVeEprCJssjCdLVwEEY S5yi21a4WnacjoyvB5hwGrKH6030SstUAeQ37Ty5gHSBXpy8kG5DVbEzbQ8Xo35p3Z2y 9+kBh95ZU+bFvkX3C65vAb98vfvHuQj6wwb3Y0dxyUi5bsfy8iBFQFSIfa6sd0vdfvOu MDjsMJ8V7K7x2bQf4xHo3B+NB+ZgAkxPVe/7TJBKl3lGJQPEnt5Gd6M2ol/EKQgHIWbU 0deg== X-Received: by 10.204.129.68 with SMTP id n4mr37587373bks.102.1358083454081; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 05:24:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50F2B57E.7070602@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 14:24:14 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: question re: hardware samplers? References: <50F15940.50105@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 13:24:15 +0000 (UTC) Most of that is really the Kurz's unique live sampling feature (question: anyone familiar with an out-of-the-box hw or sw solution which can do that as well?). Essentially, it uses the workstation's (very powerful) synthesis engine with samples as oscillators, only you can use what just came into the audio in as those samples, instead of preloaded ones. Starting out, this gives you the possibility to move back in what you just played (using the large ribbon controller on the big keyboard version makes this really fun) and apply all of the funny things this synthesis engine offers in realtime. Add to that the powerful KDFX effects engine, and there's a lot of stuff you can do here. I have to admit I haven't even started to work on the potential of this feature - I had been in email conversation with Thomas, but he kindly asked me to first show him my patches before he shared his (protecting his IP I suppose...). The workflow is not optimized to quickly grab loop points for those realtime samples, but especially using that different pitches approach that Thomas demonstrates in the video, you could have some wicked polyrhythms going (e.g. have a live drummer play in 4/4, then play a IV-V-I turnaround along, which with the IV downwards has you going at 2/3 the drummer's pace (i.e. if he plays 8ths, the Kurz plays 4 triplets, and after one bar is one third of a bar behind), then play the V up, and now you're playing 8ths triplets and continue to move into sync with the live drummer for the I. There's so much to try, so little time... Rainer Steven Clements schrieb: > Wow those were GREAT vids > > I'd love to see how he put that all together - what an inspiration! > > > As for b), list member Matt Davignon did a three-part interview on > youtube with artist (and Y2kloopfest performer) Thomas DiMuzio: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6SSlv-1Zew > He uses a Kurzweil K2600RS, which has a feature called "live > sampling" where you can play your samples while they are played - > without going into too many details, just watch those videos, and > you'll get the hang of it. > -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 13:37:37 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D62A183495; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 13:37:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lWVk23LfQ4gbQ2foWTSEggDkSht0rXc4H4J+usrEWdo=; b=XnxhcXhdDbXK/D58+rMUXdVctsPKfi/XLX8hoehw/LumlwmRV09NNXJD6+AOFaHumk 2hMQI3FJzhHs+1HY1LgrW2qF7ZdTefg2tgiWszM4IpK/1KP5hED+huks6zJyfJUYqciP poeeU9pxvhv41CtRv8zmhePTN8VEccUdNNzgSHWa7bBC6hwhbGsn+10UD7/ihPBpvSmg IBE2OovA0WUkYR6b2o1Vjbp37e8LFliUZ24ye7wwRr+1pU8dOitNc8qPna6VjTRDDgUA o1bV9Vns4cv+bSFbwAbBgQXC4Ef1DAZG+g/FG7H4kI+UJhQPsfYdywBRkfcee9g1GSFJ 7sWA== X-Received: by 10.204.156.11 with SMTP id u11mr39217437bkw.106.1358084256415; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 05:37:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50F2B8A0.8060803@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 14:37:36 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Music Notation symbols for loops? References: <20121230210614.40470@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20121230210614.40470@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 13:37:37 +0000 (UTC) Another one of my posts referring to age-old discussions - if something has already been said and I missed that, sorry. First of all, the target audience of the score seems to be relevant for me: is that score for a conductor, tonmeister etc. (who doesn't play the piece, but needs to know how it will sound with the loops) or for a performer (who needs to know which device-operation steps he needs to take to make it sound the way the composer wanted it)? As I'm in the process of writing stuff for musicians to perform from a score using e.g. and EDP or Möbius, here's what I though up: One staff: the things the musician plays on his instrument: another staff: the things he does with his looper. As e.g. for an EDP, you typcially only perform one action at a time, this can be reduced to one line (with crosses for short press, squares for long press, and normal heads for duration-dependent stuff -> sus), and simply put a letter describing the function on top of it ("R" for record, "O" for overdub etc.). Another approach could be to have a normal five-line system and assign the buttons to pitches (e.g. low C: record, low D: overdub etc.). As for readability of both these approaches, I'm still not decided (unless the performer would use bass pedals to control his looper, then it would perfectly make sense to notate that as normal pitches and map it to his preferred set of function->key assignments, something which the drum map feature in the DAW of your choice can easily do). For continuous values, you could use standard dynamics notation for the loop volume, and either the same or percent values in text for feedback. A third staff then could show what the loop that's playing right now sounds (perhaps use different note heads for reverse notes?). This would only work properly in cases where we don't have gazillions of overdubs in a non-rhythmic fashion, obviously - but if you have, say, a short riff, where you then overdub a short snippet of a note and then halfspeed that, that would work. And finally, as I'm still in that thought process - any additional input here is most welcome! Rainer Buzap Buzap schrieb: > I was wondering: are there any commmon, modern music notation symbols for notating loops? > > Any suggestions? > -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 17:19:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF36B18348B; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 17:19:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-EIP: [r04P0t4C3TkK9vaEOD7ln6d9l51N0caC] X-Originating-Email: [apacheci5@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_451b8ff2-ecfc-447b-bde5-62d3b5c62fd5_" From: kelly maxwell To: Subject: RE: QUIT Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 17:19:36 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <50F15940.50105@googlemail.com> <1AB644A6-F0F1-4683-A16C-1E86A4B89CA4@frontier.com> , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2013 17:19:37.0073 (UTC) FILETIME=[29C2FE10:01CDF1B2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 17:19:38 +0000 (UTC) --_451b8ff2-ecfc-447b-bde5-62d3b5c62fd5_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable there is only one waty to leave group therapy.....DROP TROU!!!!!!!!!!! =20 From: davauk@hevanet.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: QUIT Date: Sat=2C 12 Jan 2013 17:50:25 -0800 Aw=2C guess I=92d miss the mail=2C not that I even read most of it (does an= yone?)=20 =20 From: mark francombe=20 Sent: Saturday=2C January 12=2C 2013 12:59 PM To: loopers-delight=20 Subject: Re: QUIT =20 Awww Jeff=2C dont be sarky to the poor quitter... he did say=20 thanks...=20 =20 The thing is David=2C you can't quit... you are stuck with unfeasible amoun= ts=20 of mail forever=2C we all hate looping really=2C just we put up with it rat= her than=20 st pressing the delete button 30 times a day... =20 Or you can go to the Loopers Delight website and read how to do it.. but=20 none of us can understand that... =20 Good luck! =20 M On Sat=2C Jan 12=2C 2013 at 4:55 PM=2C Jeff Shirkey = wrote: I hereby quit you. On Jan 12=2C 2013=2C at 9:47 AM=2C David=20 Auker wrote: Please quit=20 me--thanks! --=20 Mark=20 Francombe www.markfrancombe.comwww.ordoabkhao.comhttp://vimeo.com/user825094http://ww= w.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ = --_451b8ff2-ecfc-447b-bde5-62d3b5c62fd5_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
there is only =3Bone waty to leave group therapy.....DROP TROU!!!!!!!!!= !!
 =3B

From: davauk@hevanet.com
= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: QUIT
Date: Sat= =2C 12 Jan 2013 17:50:25 -0800

Aw=2C guess I=92d miss the mail=2C not that I even read most of it (do= es anyone?)=20
Awww Jeff=2C dont be sarky to the poor quitter... he did s= ay=20 thanks...=20
 =3B
The thing is David=2C you can't quit... you are stuck with unfeasible = amounts=20 of mail forever=2C we all hate looping really=2C just we put up with it rat= her than=20 st pressing the delete button 30 times a day...
 =3B
Or you can go to the Loopers Delight website and read how to do it.. b= ut=20 none of us can understand that...
 =3B
Good luck!
 =3B
M


On Sat=2C Jan 12=2C 2013 at 4:55 PM=2C Jeff S= hirkey <=3Bjcs= hirke@frontier.com>=3B wrote:
I hereby quit you.

On Jan 12=2C 2013=2C at 9:47 AM= =2C David=20 Auker wrote:

Please quit=20 me--thanks!




 =3B
--
Mark=20 Francombe

www.ma= rkfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markf= rancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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= --_451b8ff2-ecfc-447b-bde5-62d3b5c62fd5_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 17:26:17 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0C61183465; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 17:26:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer :in-reply-to:message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding :mime-version; bh=KBrrZgOQOW3OeF15rqyEjvNa6RDTkviNcSa++/phZME=; b=fLl9OCscoH/+e8eygxMRdlUe7XWYgaSA7oV58l0yzllDduny4xUfcuo4eT8IBKDzrZ 1Lu5Ts/5ZpOuv07tqWcgYdCpMFUghMBb8cYKbYZtxdOSy5JKldbCU+alDZVycEDqOqK5 EZjgijaDbLMJS9Tauo96CEqtgtWvctzjtNmIZuZ4/MsyB0lPaEfPnwclGZzo7bj6BTYf y3+kYpKLD0I42qzQ1dYgXkNlOyfD+WPzajHlC1KXNCeX6v/XS76t+hJZYxjfG5Q5r3ol 9qczF3Kh8wunC4QlnA1Ma0J0sqsralDLKv3+dsW6eYkpzj+Mq2MalbfxJB2OE8pHQadm z4WA== X-Received: by 10.50.13.138 with SMTP id h10mr4756101igc.55.1358097976319; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 09:26:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: QUIT References: <50F15940.50105@googlemail.com> <1AB644A6-F0F1-4683-A16C-1E86A4B89CA4@frontier.com> From: Todd Reynolds Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-CF426FCD-E930-442F-959F-968DB40E95CF X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <698A7F76-3F7B-4B66-BF99-A067920EAB40@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 12:26:08 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 17:26:16 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-CF426FCD-E930-442F-959F-968DB40E95CF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 First rule about QUIT club - DON'T TALK about QUIT club.=20 Or call me at 917.576.6166 (or text) On Jan 13, 2013, at 12:19 PM, kelly maxwell wrote: > there is only one waty to leave group therapy.....DROP TROU!!!!!!!!!!! > =20 > From: davauk@hevanet.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: QUIT > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 17:50:25 -0800 >=20 > Aw, guess I=E2=80=99d miss the mail, not that I even read most of it (does= anyone?) > =20 > From: mark francombe > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:59 PM > To: loopers-delight > Subject: Re: QUIT > =20 > Awww Jeff, dont be sarky to the poor quitter... he did say thanks... > =20 > The thing is David, you can't quit... you are stuck with unfeasible amount= s of mail forever, we all hate looping really, just we put up with it rather= than st pressing the delete button 30 times a day... > =20 > Or you can go to the Loopers Delight website and read how to do it.. but n= one of us can understand that... > =20 > Good luck! > =20 > M >=20 >=20 > On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrot= e: > I hereby quit you. >=20 > On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:47 AM, David Auker wrote: >=20 > Please quit me--thanks! >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 > --=20 > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --Apple-Mail-CF426FCD-E930-442F-959F-968DB40E95CF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
First rule about QUIT club= - DON'T  TALK about QUIT club. 

Or call me at 917.576.6166= (or text)

On Jan 13, 2013, at 12:19 PM, kelly maxwell <apacheci5@hotmail.com> wrote:
there is only one waty to leave group therapy.....DROP TROU!!!!!!!!!!!<= br> 

From: davauk@hevanet.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Q= UIT
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 17:50:25 -0800

Aw, guess I=E2=80=99d miss the mail, not that I even read most of it (d= oes anyone?)=20
 
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: QUIT
 
Awww Jeff, dont be sarky to the poor quitter... he did say=20= thanks...=20
 
The thing is David, you can't quit... you are stuck with unfeasible amo= unts=20 of mail forever, we all hate looping really, just we put up with it rather t= han=20 st pressing the delete button 30 times a day...
 
Or you can go to the Loopers Delight website and read how to do it.. bu= t=20 none of us can understand that...
 
Good luck!
 
M


On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Jeff Shirkey <= span dir=3D"ltr"><jcshirke@front= ier.com> wrote:
I hereby quit you.

On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:47 AM, David=20 Auker wrote:

Please quit=20 me--thanks!




 
--
Mark=20 Francombe
www.markfranco= mbe.com
www.ordoabkhao= .com
http://vimeo.com= /user825094
http://www.looop= .no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N0= 0/
=
= --Apple-Mail-CF426FCD-E930-442F-959F-968DB40E95CF-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 17:59:45 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71C1C183490; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 17:59:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=kokabTR1P5n2eD2xnFpNHljl3vG0OcRYpuoEHJL7KQQ=; b=ock5i2T1kDF+yLq0hACaGgYsS3YrHYDvcsxiO9Yi4DgA/kesO1FWYcTdTpuGLSTfjl PnIhVw2vWsLrbnOxqCMmnoMrrqgzSENfEquQVYy1Or/rSrEO6+JJPS9byIVHRqkkmjD0 PYoim19jvo7v3kJaXwCCprm80t7IxKMLAp8E9iSH72TGDzXe5KtufMDTrfXDPChTvtRr Hh7AwAbPvWSYdocfC6ky6R0rG79SzJrpkJV/st3DynXzQWWO/sdR5qGwW2TbG2QLn2ol cQye4kri1aO1D1+75n8UmeBProWdScLh3eDgliRkWsMGZgx0veH9IeVCBXJszVB+DdSO iRSQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <698A7F76-3F7B-4B66-BF99-A067920EAB40@gmail.com> References: <50F15940.50105@googlemail.com> <1AB644A6-F0F1-4683-A16C-1E86A4B89CA4@frontier.com> <698A7F76-3F7B-4B66-BF99-A067920EAB40@gmail.com> From: Steven Clements Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 10:59:03 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: QUIT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efe315e1f3b0e04d32f4bd3 Resent-Message-ID: <1sG6hC.A.PbE.RYv8QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 17:59:45 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4efe315e1f3b0e04d32f4bd3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LOL y'all are goofs I love it I can add nothing but a chuckle On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Todd Reynolds wrote: > First rule about QUIT club - DON'T TALK about QUIT club. > > Or call me at 917.576.6166 (or text) > > On Jan 13, 2013, at 12:19 PM, kelly maxwell wrote= : > > there is only one waty to leave group therapy.....DROP TROU!!!!!!!!!!! > > ------------------------------ > From: davauk@hevanet.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: QUIT > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 17:50:25 -0800 > > Aw, guess I=E2=80=99d miss the mail, not that I even read most of it (do= es > anyone?) > > *From:* mark francombe > *Sent:* Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:59 PM > *To:* loopers-delight > *Subject:* Re: QUIT > > Awww Jeff, dont be sarky to the poor quitter... he did say thanks... > > The thing is David, you can't quit... you are stuck with unfeasible > amounts of mail forever, we all hate looping really, just we put up with = it > rather than st pressing the delete button 30 times a day... > > Or you can go to the Loopers Delight website and read how to do it.. but > none of us can understand that... > > Good luck! > > M > > > On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrot= e: > > I hereby quit you. > > On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:47 AM, David Auker wrote: > > Please quit me--thanks! > > > > > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > --e0cb4efe315e1f3b0e04d32f4bd3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LOL

y'all are goofs
I love it

I can add nothing but a = chuckle

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 10:26 AM,= Todd Reynolds <toddreyn@gmail.com> wrote:
First rule abo= ut QUIT club - DON'T =C2=A0TALK about QUIT club.=C2=A0

Or call m= e at = 917.576.6166 (or text)

On Jan 13, 2013, at 12:19 PM, kelly maxwell= <apacheci5@h= otmail.com> wrote:

there is only=C2=A0one waty to leave group therapy.....DROP TROU!!!!!!!!!!!=
=C2=A0

From: davauk@hevanet.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=
Subject: Re: QUIT
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 17:50:25 -0800

Aw, guess I=E2=80=99d miss the mail, not that I even read most of it (= does anyone?)=20
=C2=A0
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: QUIT
=C2=A0
Awww Jeff, dont be sarky to the poor quitter... he did say= =20 thanks...=20
=C2=A0
The thing is David, you can't quit... you are stuck with unfeasibl= e amounts=20 of mail forever, we all hate looping really, just we put up with it rather = than=20 st pressing the delete button 30 times a day...
=C2=A0
Or you can go to the Loopers Delight website and read how to do it.. b= ut=20 none of us can understand that...
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Good luck!
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M


On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Jeff Shirkey <jcshirke@frontier.= com> wrote:
I hereby quit you.

On J= an 12, 2013, at 9:47 AM, David=20 Auker wrote:

Please quit=20 me--thanks!




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--e0cb4efe315e1f3b0e04d32f4bd3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 00:38:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F324183495; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 00:38:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 122439.32118.bm@omp1037.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1358123901; bh=JeFXzjaoAgCgpqfgyg077iKSPQZXbbeeSJKl9VK+1wo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ze3nQrZ3G9wFhfQ7JKYL2EheAVL1A9ezteHsWOArpyduq4J4+xyD8VHT5Btt2bItLuCtfBW/dLJiVF5e93T3DMAK9N1XBuRwGEgkN64fSi5Jfji1YTKKDYH6ql2OJm8Kq808hdoq/2MWagK1sYAfJ+LGhYL11wNy1M5fmMdCALs= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gB2AvzN565Vo2nYRiD5sUMZSIUrrrd8bW7gd9sTNNkiByZ6fyEw2nhdMe4koubtil/erYXpoY51cC9LZ5oBowJ/Tm/jXJ6U3m6N6ZVjeUAjZemlYH9MWY5wEl6LyFppwnveDRRGyiPfHSU2hDPYlPndfUjR/vx9JXjiveQnh19Q=; X-YMail-OSG: T87ENvUVM1nlQHZcqmhiZF0HugQqSfEVb0ss.Rqojg4fjUc pFxcoS1s5Xtm64b32LSO48C9uxCSs2IDeqK.D1Av3fqUfhJkdvD6sALRpNAr AcvcFNpnD5ZW63Vy41McQOWkrumfLtNm_rz9Z.xQ8QfuD2sz5oGG9osgjzp2 1BIrabJ9VxjLFvqFrNqxWDrkpp279CMct7.eif4zGlBbEiuy_RqEA8dmuFIW kj4dw3UO5qSyOWHMDHHTngoeFiBfF.eN3kGzxirPj_QzWO21vSpWiRkIqyWg 7RsYGV3U9MMpc7pfcget6ZEK0HcFGnkuc_j2u.qcxG7oVw621LTN2C5g1fPy XOh2ClP56vPPz2iCuUNGAIh3m8trwvvxru1iaTqGPYHu0IFGgb8LcqjYz.M_ dBkl.fpgymvqvEbsRmGbursA7A.9fmOb7YA2D812T_ta5GKonTnEba73nqnW WUXgUM6.r01.afyOMJ0GG6.zcWhkYpSVwvj0pdwwQzZZAR2mhs.B3MJjk_LG OCSCX7n1S4LZCjU6EoBLT.Nu76arIeyZWzk_J9Rcn5f_6NMPAwYURGV0IaMr .fPENJB1i396.BWeDTwKVgfN0VnHgx4RPRqPFE5pAvtB8eO2uQM6xE6olKVM OLaNHfrMfJrUUfE_YbPMFj77x6TEDsc.BhKgyCz0WAaHLJylveqrAXgOP1ED vtKmxcwyFfrBM80.91jPjReJpbwOWOPCV0OHub6g- X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,T0suIE15IHF1ZXN0aW9uIHdvdWxkIGJlLCBob3cgaXMgYW4gQWthaSBTLTUwMDAgc2FtcGxlciB3aXRoVVNCIGlzIGFueSBhZHZhbnRhZ2U_IEkgaGF2ZSB0aGUgTWVsbG90cm9uIHNldCBmcm9tIEF1ZGl0aWVzLCBhbmQgZG9uJ3QgbmVlZCB0byAiYnV5IiBhIFZVIHRoaW5nLiBBbHNvLCBiZWluZyBVU0IsIGNhbiBJIHVzZSBpdCBpbiBteSBNYWMgc3lzdGVtIGFuZCBmb3JnZXQgdGhlIFNDU0kgYWZ0ZXIgbG9hZGluZyB0aGUgbWVsbG90cm9uIHNhbXBsZXMgYW5kIHN0b3JpbmcgdGhlbSBpbiB0aGUgY29tcHUBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.130.494 References: <50F15940.50105@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <1358123900.25256.YahooMailNeo@web125103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:38:20 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: question re: hardware samplers? To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <50F15940.50105@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="856753768-1568914149-1358123900=:25256" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 00:38:22 +0000 (UTC) --856753768-1568914149-1358123900=:25256 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK. My question would be, how is an Akai S-5000 sampler withUSB is any adva= ntage? I have the Mellotron set from Audities, and don't need to "buy" a VU= thing. Also, being USB, can I use it in my Mac system and forget the SCSI = after loading the mellotron samples and storing them in the computer? I bou= ght it in the early 21st century before computers got as powerful as the no= w are. Is this sampler completely disposable, or will it give me functions = that I don't have using garage Band?=0ARig=0A=0A___________________________= _____=0A From: Rainer Straschill =0ATo: Loopers-D= elight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 4:38 AM=0ASu= bject: Re: question re: hardware samplers?=0A =0AThis topic is somewhat dat= ed, so I'll just add my proverbial .02 to it - sorry if it has already been= covered:=0AOne of the things with the hardware samplers of old is getting = stuff stored/restored. Typcially, it's oldskool parallel/single-ended SCSI,= and nobody uses that anymore, and any media you get for that (e.g. harddis= ks) are old, slow, big package, small capacity and loud. However, there's w= orkarounds for that.=0A=0AAs for the use as an instrument (as for capturing= instrument sounds and playing them in a tuned fashion), there really isn't= any reason to work on a hardware solution today. If someone still uses a h= ardware sampler, it's=0A=A0 a) capturing loops on the fly (aka the DJ appl= ication - see Akai MPC etc.)=0A=A0 b) samplers which can do funny other th= ings in realtime (aka the oddness of Thomas DiMuzio and his Kurz)=0A=0AAs f= or b), list member Matt Davignon did a three-part interview on youtube with= artist (and Y2kloopfest performer) Thomas DiMuzio:=0Ahttp://www.youtube.co= m/watch?v=3Dz6SSlv-1Zew=0AHe uses a Kurzweil K2600RS, which has a feature c= alled "live sampling" where you can play your samples while they are played= - without going into too many details, just watch those videos, and you'll= get the hang of it.=0A=0AAre there other things (hw or sw) which do that w= hat the Kurzweil does, btw?=0A=0AThe Kurz is, as mentioned above, using old= skool SCSI for storage. If you really must use one (like me), a good approa= ch is to use a SCSI-connected card reader, which allows you to design your = sample sets on the computer, then copy them to an e.g. SD card and quickly = transfer them to the Kurz - an approach which should work with other hw sam= plers as well.=0A=0AYours,=0A=0A=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Rainer=0A=0AScott Hansen s= chrieb:=0A> does anyone (DJs?) still use hardware samplers anymore? or has = everything gone to computer software?=0A> i was just curious.=0A> seems lik= e all i ever see anymore in DJ pics is computers w/ a small mixer....but ma= ybe i'm not looking close enough!=0A=0A=0A-- http://moinlabs.de=0AFollow me= on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs --856753768-1568914149-1358123900=:25256 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OK. My que= stion would be, how is an Akai S-5000 sampler withUSB is any advantage? I h= ave the Mellotron set from Audities, and don't need to "buy" a VU thing. Al= so, being USB, can I use it in my Mac system and forget the SCSI after load= ing the mellotron samples and storing them in the computer? I bought it in = the early 21st century before computers got as powerful as the now are. Is = this sampler completely disposable, or will it give me functions that I don= 't have using garage Band?
Rig

From: Rainer Stras= chill <moinsound@googlemail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 4:38 AM
= Subject: Re: question re:= hardware samplers?

=0AThis topic is somewhat dated,= so I'll just add my proverbial .02 to it - sorry if it has already been co= vered:
One of the things with the hardware samplers of old is getting st= uff stored/restored. Typcially, it's oldskool parallel/single-ended SCSI, a= nd nobody uses that anymore, and any media you get for that (e.g. harddisks= ) are old, slow, big package, small capacity and loud. However, there's wor= karounds for that.

As for the use as an instrument (as for capturing= instrument sounds and playing them in a tuned fashion), there really isn't= any reason to work on a hardware solution today. If someone still uses a h= ardware sampler, it's
  a) capturing loops on the fly (aka the DJ = application - see Akai MPC etc.)
  b) samplers which can do funny = other things in realtime (aka the oddness of Thomas DiMuzio and his Kurz)
As for b), list member Matt Davignon did a three-part interview on yo= utube with artist (and Y2kloopfest performer) Thomas DiMuzio:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dz6SSlv-1Zew=
He uses a Kurzweil K2600RS, which has a feature called "live sampling" = where you can play your samples while they are played - without going into = too many details, just watch those videos, and you'll get the hang of it.
Are there other things (hw or sw) which do that what the Kurzweil doe= s, btw?

The Kurz is, as mentioned above, using oldskool SCSI for sto= rage. If you really must use one (like me), a good approach is to use a SCS= I-connected card reader, which allows you to design your sample sets on the= computer, then copy them to an e.g. SD card and quickly transfer them to t= he Kurz - an approach which should work with other hw samplers as well.
=
Yours,

        Rainer

Scott Hansen s= chrieb:
> does anyone (DJs?) still use hardware samplers anymore? or = has everything gone to computer software?
> i was just curious.
> seems like all i ever see anymore in DJ pics is computers= w/ a small mixer....but maybe i'm not looking close enough!


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Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs
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--856753768-1568914149-1358123900=:25256-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 08:48:26 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D3C6183491; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 08:48:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:48:23 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <50F2B8A0.8060803@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <20130114084823.35820@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20121230210614.40470@gmx.net> <50F2B8A0.8060803@googlemail.com> Subject: Re: Music Notation symbols for loops? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+C2UhIYkeCQZG7NIEcPCiSFbo+hdpjIgoxcLhG83 /ZXG2sCzX10q8vIQwEHPBAyI1fNGm+JVUG8g== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: AKOBcJpseSEqWMh4kHUhyeB+IGRvb0A4 Resent-Message-ID: <9BjM6C.A.QQC.aZ88QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 08:48:26 +0000 (UTC) Hi Rainer thank you for your input. I find your emphasis on conductor vs performer useful. My intention was actually not live looping notation - but since you brought up the topic: I think for a performer, I would notate the record/overdubs continuously, using Grace Notes to display the previously recorded material on the loop. You can seperate each repetition with double bar lines and mark them with a header as "Record Loop1", "Overdub 1" etc. best regards Buzap From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 14:31:39 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3762183490; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:31:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:31:35 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20130114143135.244110@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: re: new tc electronic looper (Ditto Looper) To: "LD LoopersDelight" X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX199b4Y8kmZ9w1By/lqfF0tThQIjlefA0mjJCyRGHk JBTpleGm6TfS9SUqfaS9zpE7UuFNhdZ1KITg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: kHOGcD8+eSEqZ8h4kHUhgPd+IGRvb4Ao Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:31:39 +0000 (UTC) Hi guys here is the webpage for the TC Electronic "Ditto Looper": http://www.tcelectronic.com/ditto-looper/ Best features: - Real feedback knob! - 130EUR - True bypass. While it may confirm all guitar player stereotypes, essentially it's pretty much a Boss RC-2 with Feedback. So, for all you loopers moaning that the off-the-shelf loopers don't have feedback - there you go. For 130EUR/$, I'm seriously considering. If the Ditto Looper really has true bypass and pristine sound, this might be much better on the pedalboard than a mushy RC2 in the chain. best regards Buzap From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 15:03:13 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90A27183490; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:03:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <20130114143135.244110@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: <20130114143135.244110@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Cc: LD LoopersDelight X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10A523) From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper (Ditto Looper) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:03:11 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:03:13 +0000 (UTC) Feedback? I thought the knob controlled loop volume. Mark On Jan 14, 2013, at 6:31 AM, "Buzap Buzap" wrote: > Hi guys >=20 > here is the webpage for the TC Electronic "Ditto Looper": > http://www.tcelectronic.com/ditto-looper/ >=20 > Best features: > - Real feedback knob! > - 130EUR > - True bypass. >=20 > While it may confirm all guitar player stereotypes, essentially it's prett= y much a Boss RC-2 with Feedback. > So, for all you loopers moaning that the off-the-shelf loopers don't have f= eedback - there you go. >=20 > For 130EUR/$, I'm seriously considering. If the Ditto Looper really has tr= ue bypass and pristine sound, this might be much better on the pedalboard th= an a mushy RC2 in the chain. >=20 > best regards > Buzap >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 15:28:16 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1103A183492; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:28:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Rupq9GU7J9h9HJtSBpxrHYk6CXyvbEuHRK76QjWc+z0=; b=ZP9YROHVxqKagRX4hBJOEMPa8BevLU3yvcHGvtm9YObGMjWbJqXRZYVZb5mIKjylYL dMXxVlOvAAvjvURYyVmZ7dLt2jWRgcnsz7T4lEnh+72J/Snay/25sPY6ChBANO1OCApC oy4n6M+Ypn2qNsk/ga5KZFADsiuXcshTZP6tmuuygUJzxG9hXqzlXig0BzdIRpxFb3I+ yoxF3ha8ghzyqmfR+O/3mw0O6RqKHhklAAXGNs92CC7hHjE3LxLH4hz+vAoqon7Po9x5 fvjyXAXWBbk0b1ia5Pa7tF/GMO3EjPR5N+MHBHO++bhz4kFwsGbufXQzMspBIiwTjffF S7kA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20130114143135.244110@gmx.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:28:15 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper (Ditto Looper) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <776VWD.A.plE.PQC9QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:28:15 +0000 (UTC) But Loop Volume will become Feedback if fed back into itself... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > Feedback? I thought the knob controlled loop volume. > > Mark > > On Jan 14, 2013, at 6:31 AM, "Buzap Buzap" wrote: > >> Hi guys >> >> here is the webpage for the TC Electronic "Ditto Looper": >> http://www.tcelectronic.com/ditto-looper/ >> >> Best features: >> - Real feedback knob! >> - 130EUR >> - True bypass. >> >> While it may confirm all guitar player stereotypes, essentially it's pretty much a Boss RC-2 with Feedback. >> So, for all you loopers moaning that the off-the-shelf loopers don't have feedback - there you go. >> >> For 130EUR/$, I'm seriously considering. If the Ditto Looper really has true bypass and pristine sound, this might be much better on the pedalboard than a mushy RC2 in the chain. >> >> best regards >> Buzap >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 16:05:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80CEE183494; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:05:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 835469614/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.24.201/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.24.201 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnYEALEr9FBYbRjJ/2dsb2JhbAANN4Y6tAqCJwEBAgEBAoEagxEBAQEEIxVAEQsYAgIFFgsCAgkDAgECAUUcAawmcI9kgSOMYoIWgRMDm2ONZg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,468,1355097600"; d="scan'208";a="835469614" Message-ID: <50F42CEC.3000008@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:06:04 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper (Ditto Looper) References: <20130114143135.244110@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:05:50 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > But Loop Volume will become Feedback if fed back into itself... emphasis on IF. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 16:47:26 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B2B2183492; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:47:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:47:23 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <50F42CEC.3000008@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <20130114164723.320850@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20130114143135.244110@gmx.net> <50F42CEC.3000008@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper (Ditto Looper) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1931QN4dpd3ZQL/DyS4T8ypcS9VE4HLpC45s3UVWc 3YvjwCNou4e2wDBo1103UxAnmO0FvTrwmqKg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: zFOGcDEceSEqTch4kHUhSbx+IGRvbwBK Resent-Message-ID: <3Q2vrB.A.WSF.eaD9QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:47:26 +0000 (UTC) > > But Loop Volume will become Feedback if fed back into itself... > emphasis on IF. You might be right... :-( Probably there is no REAL Feedback because TC Electronic has "trimmed away all the non-essential, mood-killing tech hoopla"... Oh well... Buzap From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 18:08:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1081183492; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:08:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 84166.56378.bm@omp1066.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1358186935; bh=9K3Ie+Yd2SaUQFkZbclv31Ws9jYopBVezgXlHn+opho=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hykQn3ZeWbD8+WlioSi9S9YBO1dN1gxbzuGWnRWyrDfGj2Wv0u0Tuog6VtOkhRLF/jL4LfeXPTyFoQLXG5SZzIN9L5112FEFaT/8h4pBvA6exHD1erDE208B8KF+EfVYny2aLTSEIGpiVx37DTUSuUr9LAYI+WFb8d2cJ5yQqTU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=griZjXTfQKVLFmK63lchtQ2zUFJQBxz8/icJOF/MSLP9mxifdHexmBt7bHjGWKTdsNqm3JfRBZ1YE3sL2VNVrZ6FmAAfMVh6GDw2Fh339EaR+KAJxvHcxvEQFrBkOSHVHhnBtOi0/hCIimC0D2CJ+bt9AEX3nTKIiAfLkq5WDIQ=; X-YMail-OSG: x0OjwaMVM1naMQ6O096eFTsmYMEswWdh7mJ5b2DX_lRbFor 4PYn8u37jDADT3Ji9yoTv6eoGQZPKTuA96EofAtBfSnQThplz8F.qWhI9NxT BpwvRl9iPkNzgiuo5xhSjK.QaSGY1Xxh3RX3qUNah5BcFWpWhts9E3pSZqwt iqEwL6sDq5BCXkASMXIwvBaoCQi9shDaDhpbOd2bgVU1u.lPgnrsLG5kqyfK GGu1iv1VI0P_bC2BxeG0ddgt_LD5L_CCT7Y3ld_M.FoBhVZRQMJ70CMDymJw XjPaBtw6RLaIg8SlGtkHxO4t6cJwugALOn1kYlfdMYepCA4K16PVoB1Njoo5 0RmwZ09qoGv4Ybmg.k.yrllyJwjIEfncXrTQYT_GzA4C_uBSk3yuWtWE8k.V 1ZLS7PxIxRyR6cAgwT45XIsxbmYVC7RZfv7zFUI8_.CUSlPy4eI9qc0akPXk D1MCtgbmyFI.ngqHDZzQPjvu9Hr98CtHjblSrCJeWfwDD5YfQ2cv.h5w2ddW P7mEc._U- X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,SSB3b25kZXIgaG93IG1hbnkgbG9vcGVycyBvciBndWl0YXJpc3RzIGRvbid0IGdpdmUgYSByYXQncyBhc3MgYWJvdXQgZmVlZGJhY2suIAoKClNlbnQgZnJvbSBZYWhvbyEgTWFpbCBvbiBBbmRyb2lkCgoBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.130.494 Message-ID: <1358186934.9172.androidMobile@web161401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:08:54 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper (Ditto Looper) To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , "buzap@gmx.net" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1131079492-190622636-1358186934=:9172" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:08:56 +0000 (UTC) ---1131079492-190622636-1358186934=:9172 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I wonder how many loopers or guitarists don't give a rat's ass about feedback. Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android ---1131079492-190622636-1358186934=:9172 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

I wonder how many loopers or guitarists don't give a rat's ass about feedback.


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From: Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net>;
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>;
Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper (Ditto Looper)
Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:47:23 PM

> > But Loop Volume will become Feedback if fed back into itself...
> emphasis on IF.

You might be right... :-(
Probably there is no REAL Feedback because TC Electronic has "trimmed away all the non-essential, mood-killing tech hoopla"...

Oh well...
Buzap

---1131079492-190622636-1358186934=:9172-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 18:25:18 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CEFB183492; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:25:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Ow5bOytsYumlIPF89bK+7HBi3OW9xI2eCdRfv6t4uoQ=; b=yHtF+p1MVi1Zd2xTxA0OLTO1tCebH62TTF/t4IIpqPxzvEA1gyZp3cjLnHhHHp+8Ga offkse+IkwXaznUuoNpAvoyjQr4Jaa0L7w+cRP5PBwybQ/UF6mIUKvstUJ2DGDnMQAPc ooBLvPSOHQOnSvtYSlJulH0mtP2penYYPiN1vZ3H/QLxlRKW9FZwykg7jKyuAtIa3hUy ZLjZbqNWmhGrxgz0p60dPKA7oTBRe69bEwsrS7tk4rEHtHy/jNbkxXe1LFLz76WNQ58P oGpn46NZCh+ZhkEwqY1pNwFjJMYk6B7+CMi1/0KpAcwQosSSDiuKUKi7tv2fduAPzNIa uu0g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1358186934.9172.androidMobile@web161401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1358186934.9172.androidMobile@web161401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:25:17 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper (Ditto Looper) From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb206e45ee82604d343c42a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:25:18 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8fb206e45ee82604d343c42a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Apparently all the stupid ones who seem to be complaining to these companies "the pedals are too complicated for a feeble guitarist like myself". How many stomp ads now make it a virtue of head simple there pedals are (won't challenge anyone to think more than how to step on a switch and maybe turn a knob)? Complexity is where its at. Kevin On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Paul Richards wrote: > I wonder how many loopers or guitarists don't give a rat's ass about > feedback. > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > > ------------------------------ > * From: * Buzap Buzap ; > * To: * ; > * Subject: * Re: new tc electronic looper (Ditto Looper) > * Sent: * Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:47:23 PM > > > > But Loop Volume will become Feedback if fed back into itself... > > emphasis on IF. > > You might be right... :-( > Probably there is no REAL Feedback because TC Electronic has "trimmed away > all the non-essential, mood-killing tech hoopla"... > > Oh well... > Buzap > > -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) --e89a8fb206e45ee82604d343c42a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Apparently=A0all the stupid ones who seem to be complaining to these compan= ies "the pedals are too=A0complicated=A0for a feeble guitarist like my= self". =A0How many stomp ads now make it a virtue of head simple there= pedals are (won't challenge anyone to think more than how to step on a= switch and maybe turn a knob)?

Complexity is where its at.

Kevin
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Paul Ric= hards <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com> wrote:

I wonde= r how many loopers or guitarists don't give a rat's ass about feedb= ack.


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From: Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net>;
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>;= =
Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper (Ditto Looper) =
Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:47:23 PM =

> > But Loop Volume will become Feedback if fed back into itse= lf...
> emphasis on IF.

You might be right... :-(
Probably = there is no REAL Feedback because TC Electronic has "trimmed away all = the non-essential, mood-killing tech hoopla"...

Oh well...
Buzap




--
Till now you= seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That i= s the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ram= ana Maharshi (1879-1950)

--e89a8fb206e45ee82604d343c42a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 18:40:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28F90183490; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:40:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=HENTP0k4xvWp+7khEB1uU/aBIJ674AAjRv4nLNLgwL4=; b=pRj7ycXCPObiI8ljgt41el/+hqFA17BfTmNPmrHHyeZMVm4kzRcA4VXr6DWdsGXIQL gYYk0JAgRGNEsv6dGzxJtiD2iVnL/MwC6/wjXBX0nKEKg2TThAHMCFMsK9Q5nkcGsxmN iaHwJN03IUxUwumeSwEpGUl32PJCGtSmhgUa2Ex4EYTPbv7Z9SWNF+L4EAqbkPMpxLl8 B+5erzgFgEhDpG5cKFOV1ZEOmBbU01DqyDOC1/xLpwAj82dOU0SO4cyAj2oxySQYFzR/ afAHIV+6/cCjyhpDkSr4186UqiWcO5WI2k1xbrtykTMfrNSZUpmvRM5u+NJ+Qjds+Ojr RKqw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.187.165 with SMTP id ft5mr7764796igc.12.1358188804381; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:40:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1358186934.9172.androidMobile@web161401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:40:04 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper (Ditto Looper) From: Todd Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9341027391b6604d343f9a7 Resent-Message-ID: <4sgh8B.A.gUG.FEF9QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:40:05 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9341027391b6604d343f9a7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 "Complexity is where its at." Unless it's not needed. T On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Apparently all the stupid ones who seem to be complaining to these > companies "the pedals are too complicated for a feeble guitarist like > myself". How many stomp ads now make it a virtue of head simple there > pedals are (won't challenge anyone to think more than how to step on a > switch and maybe turn a knob)? > > Complexity is where its at. > > Kevin > > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Paul Richards < > paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> I wonder how many loopers or guitarists don't give a rat's ass about >> feedback. >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android >> >> ------------------------------ >> * From: * Buzap Buzap ; >> * To: * ; >> * Subject: * Re: new tc electronic looper (Ditto Looper) >> * Sent: * Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:47:23 PM >> >> > > But Loop Volume will become Feedback if fed back into itself... >> > emphasis on IF. >> >> You might be right... :-( >> Probably there is no REAL Feedback because TC Electronic has "trimmed >> away all the non-essential, mood-killing tech hoopla"... >> >> Oh well... >> Buzap >> >> > > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > -- http://toaster.bandcamp.com --14dae9341027391b6604d343f9a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Complexity is where its at."

Unless it's = not needed.=A0

T

On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando &l= t;billowhead@gmai= l.com> wrote:
Apparently=A0all the stupid ones who seem to= be complaining to these companies "the pedals are too=A0complicated= =A0for a feeble guitarist like myself". =A0How many stomp ads now make= it a virtue of head simple there pedals are (won't challenge anyone to= think more than how to step on a switch and maybe turn a knob)?

Complexity is where its at.

Kevin


On Mon, Jan 14, 201= 3 at 10:08 AM, Paul Richards <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com>= ; wrote:

I wonde= r how many loopers or guitarists don't give a rat's ass about feedb= ack.


Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android



From: Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net>;
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>;= =
Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper (Ditto Looper) =
Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:47:23 PM =

> > But Loop Volume will become Feedback if fed back into itse= lf...
> emphasis on IF.

You might be right... :-(
Probably = there is no REAL Feedback because TC Electronic has "trimmed away all = the non-essential, mood-killing tech hoopla"...

Oh well...
Buzap




--
Till now you seriously consi= dered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ign= orance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)




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http://toaster.bandcamp.com --14dae9341027391b6604d343f9a7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 18:49:17 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4DC118348C; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:49:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xoU/3oD0lOtOKzVsH8sa9RmP7lWwn5lwcvwoTORrHPo=; b=rjIdkxjCz+HXd7mQqoOArt5n2RSAZsQFHHgzNKWDctFIAc6GswgvavuO/SKoR9OO2M DYM7iXLQPi5gkMNeGsPds82+TTO32Ix8zWjrU+/Cg685dA2F8QJWZMESrbsQx/jGhOB+ BoM7Z9YXWJrmRfw6/EYElLZRo1YrfZJ5eOniSktIDmtfyIUXDMXBkOtXDv8+oMTVflWs ge1VNJHal74rFNbougTanpCtp0OJF476iIQTdo17gy6B1tzb0Cm4CqJ86BaQFmOHjrL6 hG/59F5mTmbMbkh0H4mQqxUs9nj5bN897s9Hpww7cd8/Nq7mQuN/sd8tF5oOvdgvzUXy ErWA== X-Received: by 10.204.131.74 with SMTP id w10mr38833974bks.4.1358189356689; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:49:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50F4532E.7020500@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:49:18 +0100 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper (Ditto Looper) References: <1358186934.9172.androidMobile@web161401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:49:17 +0000 (UTC) mhmm, don't get it: if you have a loop running and press twice, you stop. Does this work in all states, play, overdub and record? If in overdub, where will it have ended overdub? If in record, will it close the loop? What happens if I do a single press when in stop? Will I enter play? If that is the case, and I do a double press in stop, will it stop again or take me to overdub? How does that undo/redo work? Can I undo "erase loop"? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 18:53:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EA8E183490; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:53:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=8LgUgIFuxQyHROVPyGp0mJ0op5b3S+T5D4NbvtQOa8w=; b=F7xipeEfgYsYSKBjVP0Hnx1PqS2kk4RQfZBLDpbZUSSL4B8Z82opmje7PJKl9FdSwM TAF5SMPQzgA2YTlU7nH6RI/AyyMJj6BytV697xM0kQw15ZB+eDd3p+jh/J0OKWl2qsFA 3Jwr9pXW7NVlBL0XB0tMs89vGq3gedUgPeUIKbSTOTzT/+pyo84ZSznxLYiboH0Na48Z yWXhKvR946Scv+ByKiTBUflffsykAh2vzR18+H+n8Hljle85LO8jwaMjDSO6b8j/LBFu w9ni1YuDoRK+GtokYqN1QxSZqa9mtmfqv+d022vjvA/26W5LrWv0H/vAN1+lcnEqPyTu Wwpg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1358186934.9172.androidMobile@web161401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:53:02 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper (Ditto Looper) From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb1f674974d1f04d344279c Resent-Message-ID: <0ZOPAD.A.umG.OQF9QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:53:03 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8fb1f674974d1f04d344279c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > How many stomp ads now make it a virtue of head simple there pedals are > (won't challenge anyone to think more than how to step on a switch and > maybe turn a knob)? In rereading that I have to confess, I have no idea what head simple actually means (or how that sentence got so mangled). I think I'd like to try something that is head simple actually. > Complexity is where its at. > > Except when its not. Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) --e89a8fb1f674974d1f04d344279c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Kevin = Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:
How many stomp ads now make it a virtue of head simple there pedals are (wo= n't challenge anyone to think more than how to step on a switch and may= be turn a knob)?

In rereading that I have t= o confess, I have no idea what head simple actually means (or how that sent= ence got so mangled). =A0I think I'd like to try something that is head= simple actually.


Complexity is where its at.


Except when its not.

Kevin
--=A0
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be t= he body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.<= br>
- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

--e89a8fb1f674974d1f04d344279c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 19:54:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EACC8183492; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:54:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=qHqvmc7LG1E1/0ne6uYnqSxkzljLUutne9T4+l2Rsto=; b=X9Q6XSAfvPYVX2V10qVANm0eo0uPQuxeB3e/zJ+a+UCPZ5uwK/46v/BqeUqatHsOEm s5p2Vm64MsJ4R/Cqs3OrUfLE+5dWdcSBq8SP27I0DtLDvB8v5Gu9bSHoKZ8tgf80Gqth OCDeyVq9ttYM+EMfRTrbtVb7mcfkSKrz+Zp7VQdO0uWfH1bwPA/Mer/9CdXYtrfAqx1N jw7m3la6xflWis9/d6aAzYdSoqF7O9meIpkkpI6upOj1vrruIYR4iO0gh2C4lN780zfO yyYs1kRoC7qfnkUvGz9+G30RRJY7XvnRtVLSgw+8U4ApsUxLOTu0IEEQvyP6QD5DBrpp mm6g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <50F4532E.7020500@googlemail.com> References: <1358186934.9172.androidMobile@web161401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50F4532E.7020500@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:54:59 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper (Ditto Looper) From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300512fe238b5004d345059c Resent-Message-ID: <6Zb0l.A.PWH.TKG9QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:54:59 +0000 (UTC) --20cf300512fe238b5004d345059c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >From the page: "You press once to record, press once again to play the loop. Press once to add another layer of sounds (something you can keep repeating until you run out of ideas). You press and hold to Undo a layer and press and hold again to Redo. Press twice to stop, after which you can press and hold to clear the loop. Ah, if only life were this simple." Jeff On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill < moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote: > mhmm, don't get it: > > if you have a loop running and press twice, you stop. > Does this work in all states, play, overdub and record? If in overdub, > where will it have ended overdub? If in record, will it close the loop? > > What happens if I do a single press when in stop? Will I enter play? If > that is the case, and I do a double press in stop, will it stop again or > take me to overdub? > > How does that undo/redo work? Can I undo "erase loop"? > > > --20cf300512fe238b5004d345059c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From the page: "You press once to record, press once again to play the= loop. Press once to add another layer of sounds (something you can keep repeating until you run out of ideas). You press and hold to Undo a layer and press and hold again to Redo. Press twice to stop, after which you can press and hold to clear the loop. Ah, if only life were this simple."

Jeff

On M= on, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote:
mhmm, don't get it:

if you have a loop running and press twice, you stop.
Does this work in all states, play, overdub and record? If in overdub, wher= e will it have ended overdub? If in record, will it close the loop?

What happens if I do a single press when in stop? Will I enter play? If tha= t is the case, and I do a double press in stop, will it stop again or take = me to overdub?

How does that undo/redo work? Can I undo "erase loop"?



--20cf300512fe238b5004d345059c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 20:10:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81299183496; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:10:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 826288418/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.24.201/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.24.201 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnUEAC5l9FBYbRjJ/2dsb2JhbAANN7pEgicBAQIBAQKBHYMRAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBrDORLI4FgykDm2ONZg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,468,1355097600"; d="scan'208";a="826288418" Message-ID: <50F46642.9070004@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:10:42 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper (Ditto Looper) References: <1358186934.9172.androidMobile@web161401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50F4532E.7020500@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <50F4532E.7020500@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:10:28 +0000 (UTC) Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > mhmm, don't get it: Can we offer a prize for the first guitarist to say it's too complicated? andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 20:45:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68EC3183491; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:45:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:45:15 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <50F4532E.7020500@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <20130114204515.89770@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1358186934.9172.androidMobile@web161401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50F4532E.7020500@googlemail.com> Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper (Ditto Looper) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19QW0hxNgJQx5YyukW1qdvyBbzDI9l07F/mzwYNZW FHKwnmc1uJpla6NffVhKtfScYTCMEjjPa13g== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: DAuGcHVCeSEqNMh4kHUhI5x+IGRvb8Cr Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:45:19 +0000 (UTC) > mhmm, don't get it: > if you have a loop running and press twice, you stop. > Does this work in all states, play, overdub and record? If in overdub, > where will it have ended overdub? If in record, will it close the loop? > What happens if I do a single press when in stop? Will I enter play? If > that is the case, and I do a double press in stop, will it stop again or > take me to overdub? Most probably, it will work like the RC-2: - In this case, it's actually useful to have a seperate stop pedal. It's hard & annoying to time the stop point because you have to nail it with your second press. - Also, I love the accidental stops: You make a very short overdub - and suddenly all the action stops :-) - I think the "long press undo" probably just works on the last (overdub) layer. Here, it's also quite annoying to try to get the timing right for the long press. Anyway, I'm sure DittoLooper version 2.0 will just have rec > play ("just what the guitarist needs"!) Buzap From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 21:16:46 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67F12183493; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:16:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=drTIikSlmW0fD0Y1vmO20lvF7PelbHTD7kb2KJcC05w=; b=iayaJk54udXNJMWAWoixdg6mZriT3YmqA/CcwQHbgzfzvryJr/xSXEcFJ74bPcBAIZ 1jRosSgd3qTLwrejN4S737yuDf704Ae15SgBVKSRDgqtp2jWK7U6hqLAQsRGyW971M73 PDMfib5IH4XhoMDjEZUWFTFQ+np8q6wvNpBdzmE4psTFMmj3WQYFZ+hd3dnV4zgDb1WN fhsVmMGk8kYcKNhJpKHjxpUTAww+8EtuJYT3tdzQnMKcZgxufxbZIPuEja7NE9F/sCbe 8yk+DLp3S5XhfclWR6c0Bm6IZoDR+zO9Augi+9iZKtR6FcH/KZnWKOrsV19BEZB8DSY4 4Rng== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <50a28e3d.4b53440a.71c7.ffffe43d@mx.google.com> References: <50a28e3d.4b53440a.71c7.ffffe43d@mx.google.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:16:45 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper From: Tony K To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:16:46 +0000 (UTC) New video demo: http://www.pigtronix.com/video/pigtronix-infinity-looper-offical-demo-feat-= eric-krasno On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 1:15 PM, astralmnemonics@gmail.com wrote: > Yeah the Gear Page has some nice back and forth discussion on the Infinit= y. I agree about defining loopers as the Infinity seems to be more song ba= sed while the LP2 (which I chose to purchase) has more of the cool real tim= e edit features like half/quarter speed, reverse and replace. > > -----Original Message----- > Date: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:56:44 am > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > From: "Scott Hansen" > Subject: Pigtronix Infinity Looper > > you know, i thought the same. my other thought is the definition of > "looper" needs to be defined. > i wish loopers had reverse, and pitch/time options...but that's me. > > > > Thanks for the link, Scott. Wow, all those features and no reverse? I'm > saving my nickels for an LP-2. > > Tim Mungenast > Editor/Writer/Proofreader: www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast > Guitarist/Composer/Vocalist: www.reverbnation.com/timmungenast > > --- On *Mon, 11/12/12, Scott Hansen * wrote: > > From: Scott Hansen > Subject: Pigtronix Infinity Looper > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Monday, November 12, 2012, 10:59 AM > > i have no experience w/ them, > info about it is here: > http://www.pigtronix.com/products/infinity-looper/ > > there has been some discussion about it on TheGearPage.net > > s--- > > --=20 -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D- Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 21:32:26 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15ABF183496; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:32:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=PL/GB9PyRemnaletA/xlDABkeAGEFCghNA3FmpkdTHk=; b=GNAHA5GWpW/FYP4zDoo7ZCN5wyDRhyEuCBFofyjSNzXY3/Rdpd5SzljqPHKL48MNfo E3YQzyVZg3ii/RftCr0/0JenZFjgclNwv7O3c1AMu/wcivprUldrwUaQzGLA66iCRoUR yjmvJwfsadBwRsebw4VasV82x33dVyw4d6J0Jakd1NP8GoCpFsgZ18nwgM8VVhWPSfdt t+e8Rxv8DNQOOp8oa668K0MH26Fc2RsUegVJjCRa9DpH/VOWavhl7ymdaRCGccMWuWOc 1DRFyXBjPyEuMSlEuB4/HRX8tGHcEpfoYf3KXsCoo/JIhVHk9TOdGyCOp+KPHH+XjeKD vEGA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.51.231 with SMTP id n7mr7981209igo.85.1358199145365; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:32:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <50a28e3d.4b53440a.71c7.ffffe43d@mx.google.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:32:25 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper From: Todd Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340f0f98027204d34661dc Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:32:26 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340f0f98027204d34661dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Looks too complicated. How's a guitarist meant to wrap their noodle around three switches? If only there were a simpler solution... T On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Tony K wrote: > New video demo: > > > http://www.pigtronix.com/video/pigtronix-infinity-looper-offical-demo-feat-eric-krasno > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 1:15 PM, astralmnemonics@gmail.com > wrote: > > Yeah the Gear Page has some nice back and forth discussion on the > Infinity. I agree about defining loopers as the Infinity seems to be more > song based while the LP2 (which I chose to purchase) has more of the cool > real time edit features like half/quarter speed, reverse and replace. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Date: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:56:44 am > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > From: "Scott Hansen" > > Subject: Pigtronix Infinity Looper > > > > you know, i thought the same. my other thought is the definition of > > "looper" needs to be defined. > > i wish loopers had reverse, and pitch/time options...but that's me. > > > > > > > > Thanks for the link, Scott. Wow, all those features and no reverse? I'm > > saving my nickels for an LP-2. > > > > Tim Mungenast > > Editor/Writer/Proofreader: www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast > > Guitarist/Composer/Vocalist: www.reverbnation.com/timmungenast > > > > --- On *Mon, 11/12/12, Scott Hansen * wrote: > > > > From: Scott Hansen > > Subject: Pigtronix Infinity Looper > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Date: Monday, November 12, 2012, 10:59 AM > > > > i have no experience w/ them, > > info about it is here: > > http://www.pigtronix.com/products/infinity-looper/ > > > > there has been some discussion about it on TheGearPage.net > > > > s--- > > > > > > > > -- > -==-=-=- > Tony > > -- http://toaster.bandcamp.com --14dae9340f0f98027204d34661dc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looks too complicated. How's a guitarist meant to wrap their noodle aro= und three switches? If only there were a simpler solution...

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On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:16 PM, T= ony K <bigtonyk@gmail.com> wrote:
New video demo:

http://www.pigtronix.com/video/pi= gtronix-infinity-looper-offical-demo-feat-eric-krasno

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 1:15 PM, astralmnemonics@gmail.com
<astralmnemonics@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
> Yeah the Gear Page has some nice back and forth discussion on the Infi= nity. =A0I agree about defining loopers as the Infinity seems to be more so= ng based while the LP2 (which I chose to purchase) has more of the cool rea= l time edit features like half/quarter speed, reverse and replace.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Date: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:56:44 am
> To:
Loopers-Del= ight@loopers-delight.com
> From: "Scott Hansen" <evanpeewee@gmail.com>
> Subject: Pigtronix Infinity Looper
>
> you know, i thought the same. my other thought is the definition of > "looper" needs to be defined.
> i wish loopers had reverse, and pitch/time options...but that's me= .
>
>
>
> Thanks for the link, Scott. Wow, all those features and no reverse? I&= #39;m
> saving my nickels for an LP-2.
>
> Tim Mungenast
> Editor/Writer/Proofreader: www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast
> Guitarist/Composer/Vocalist: www.reverbnation.com/timmungenast
>
> --- On *Mon, 11/12/12, Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> From: Scott Hansen <evanpee= wee@gmail.com>
> Subject: Pigtronix Infinity Looper
> To: Loopers-Del= ight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Monday, November 12, 2012, 10:59 AM
>
> i have no experience w/ them,
> info about it is here:
> http://www.pigtronix.com/products/infinity-looper/
>
> there has been some discussion about it on TheGearPage.net
>
> s---
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On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 = at 1:16 PM, Tony K <bigton= yk@gmail.com> wrote:
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Ne= w video demo:
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=0Ahttp://www.pigtronix.com/video/pigtronix-infinity-looper-offical= -demo-feat-eric-krasno
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=0AOn Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 1:15 PM, as= tralmnemonics@gmail.com
=0A<as= tralmnemonics@gmail.com> wrote:
=0A> Yeah the Gear Page has so= me nice back and forth discussion on the Infinity. =A0I agree about definin= g loopers as the Infinity seems to be more song based while the LP2 (which = I chose to purchase) has more of the cool real time edit features like half= /quarter speed, reverse and replace.
=0A=0A>
=0A> -----Original= Message-----
=0A> Date: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:56:44 am
=0A= > To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
=0A> From: "Scott Hansen" <evanpeewee@gmail.com>
=0A> Subject: Pigtro= nix Infinity Looper
=0A>
=0A> you know, i thought the same. my = other thought is the definition of
=0A> "looper" needs to b= e defined.
=0A> i wish loopers had reverse, and pitch/time options...= but that's me.
=0A>
=0A>
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=0A> Thanks for t= he link, Scott. Wow, all those features and no reverse? I'm
=0A> = saving my nickels for an LP-2.
=0A>
=0A> Tim Mungenast
=0A&g= t; Editor/Writer/Proofreader: www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast<= /a>
=0A> Guitarist/Composer/Vocalist:
www.reverbnation.c= om/timmungenast
=0A>
=0A> --- On *Mon, 11/12/12, Scott Hans= en <evanpeewee@gmail.com>* wrote:=
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=0A> From: Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com>
=0A> Subject: Pigtronix Infinity Loop= er
=0A> To: Loopers-Deli= ght@loopers-delight.com
=0A> Date: Monday, November 12, 2012, 10:= 59 AM
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=0A> i have no experience w/ them,
=0A> info a= bout it is here:
=0A> http://www.pigtronix.com= /products/infinity-looper/
=0A>
=0A> there has been some di= scussion about it on TheGearPage.net
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Complexity ?......its all in what you u= se looper for...i dont need "bells and whistles " if I'm using it just to b= ack up traditional looping or song writing.....I'll  try anything that= dosn't interfere with the process..this could be an option...just wish it = ran on 9 volt battery...it would be street worthy



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---1476983308-2076313442-1358201592=:96696-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 22:21:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95217183491; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 22:21:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 829669566/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.27.148/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.27.148 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApcBAGiE9FBYbRuU/2dsb2JhbAANN4Y6tAqDTYMRAQEBBCMVQBELGAICBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFHAGsQ3CQS4EjjGJNgUmBEwObY41ZDQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,469,1355097600"; d="scan'208";a="829669566" Message-ID: <50F4850C.8080404@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 22:22:04 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper (Ditto Looper) References: <1358186934.9172.androidMobile@web161401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50F4532E.7020500@googlemail.com> <20130114204515.89770@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20130114204515.89770@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 22:21:50 +0000 (UTC) Buzap Buzap wrote: >> mhmm, don't get it: > - I think the "long press undo" probably just works on the last (overdub) layer. Here, it's also quite annoying to try to get the timing right for the long press. Hopefully the Undo/Redo action actually occurs on release of the switch Like in the Vox VDL-1 andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 15:31:01 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94FD9183495; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:31:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <1358186934.9172.androidMobile@web161401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50F4532E.7020500@googlemail.com> <20130114204515.89770@gmx.net> <50F4850C.8080404@tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: <50F4850C.8080404@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <522B3163-1F4B-4B12-B8F4-462578FA8B7E@grubmah.com> Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10A523) From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper (Ditto Looper) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 07:30:57 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:31:01 +0000 (UTC) I don't know any of this for sure but based on thinking about sensible desig= n choices... Undo, redo, and stop only work while in play Undo and redo work on pedal release since they at least have to wait for hol= d time to pass. This means you could time when the undo or redo happens. There is no good way to time stop. It's just fade the sucker out if you can'= t work with an ill timed stop. The other choice is that they quantize stop t= o the loop boundary. Timing on starting overdubs may be unreliable if they are waiting to confirm= that it isn't an undo/redo or a stop. Or they need to rollback whatever ove= rdubbing was captured. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 19:31:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADBBB183494; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 19:31:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 19:31:04 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:29:19 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Moving with the Light Saturday -- A Concert and Movement Jam Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Experimental Film Discussion List Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 19:31:04 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, Moving with the Light is a monthly event at which improvised movement, music, and video interact as equals -- each responding to and respectful of the others. The event happens on the third Saturday of every month at 119 Gallery in Lowell. 119 Gallery is the nicest space I've ever performed at and has a movement--friendly hardwood floor. The next event will happen Saturday Jan 19 at 8 PM, and will include Doctor T. - Video (See samples at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld) with two long-time collaborators Glynis Lomon, cello, aquasonic and voice Rick Scott, keyboard and YOU -- movement. All styles and skill levels welcome. The musicians will play improvised music suitable for contact improvisation and other forms of gentle movement, while I improvise imagery and all three of us react to the dancers as well as to each other. Jan 19 at 8:00 PM 119 Gallery 119 Chelmsford St Lowell, MA 01851 978-452-8138 http://www.119gallery.org/ Five minutes from the Lowell Connector, with ample on-street parking and an amazing Cambodian restaurant next door. 10 minute walk from the T, but you will need a ride back. If you need a ride or can offer one, please email me and I will try to hook you up. Sliding scale -- suggested donation $10.00 -- -- Emile If you can walk, you can surely DANCE My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 21:46:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7051C183492; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 21:46:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 22:46:36 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <522B3163-1F4B-4B12-B8F4-462578FA8B7E@grubmah.com> Message-ID: <20130115214636.242390@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1358186934.9172.androidMobile@web161401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50F4532E.7020500@googlemail.com> <20130114204515.89770@gmx.net> <50F4850C.8080404@tiscali.co.uk> <522B3163-1F4B-4B12-B8F4-462578FA8B7E@grubmah.com> Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper (Ditto Looper) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18MYN1aAMUMnBfryb+wU0AKJiiQNXGR9QY9pnA2bp nr34wpSWN+vKg/4OWV46eP2Ns8QlG1/rzY9g== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: aquHcMs/eSEqZ8h4kHUh1KJ+IGRvb8CV Resent-Message-ID: <7uvWQC.A.pxB.B5c9QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 21:46:41 +0000 (UTC) Hi Mark since you took the time to go into details of design choices: - With Undo/Redo: can be either long press (RC-2) or long press+release (Vox, I heard). - Quantized stop is interesting idea. Another idea: Double click, then hold button and stop on release. - From overdub, you can easily go to undo (roll-back overdub) or multiply. best regards Buzap From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 23:26:11 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A893183498; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 23:26:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 483 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 23:26:11 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=fU+irHm1s4jXAqCyiQHps+ihzzhtubBwEQePn7VDgCHqLVVI+wKOo9uB+RQT10Fw; h=Received:From:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; From: Paul Sullivan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LP-2 questions Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:18:07 -0500 Message-Id: <302A0A31-8448-48AA-A397-AE03C548EB15@earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-ELNK-Trace: 2cf92e4390c98b9b1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79310f712f28defa5ee7f892b3968a69b9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.131.192.43 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 23:26:11 +0000 (UTC) I'm hoping some of you are more in the know by now, I'm still not sure = how to use many of the functions. The 3 page sheet that comes with is = bare bones . Hopefully at some point there will be a real manual, or do = a fully instructional video to do it justice. In the meantime, I have = just a few questions for those more attuned to it's features and quirks = than I (and thanks in advance): 1 )I love the multiple layers of undo while in play, is there any way = to undo the undo--add back the layers one at a time, until you're back = to the original fully overdubbed loop? Like peeling an onion and then = re-assembling it? 2) Once you've recorded a loop and it's playing, to record another loop = do you have to go into configuration mode and shift to another slot to = record the next loop--or is their an easier way with less button = pressing? 3) Are loops automatically saved to the card, even after powering down = and back up again? If not, is there any way to save them to the card = short of not turning it off? 4) I seem to pick up a lot of clicking from the rapid button presses = when I do lots of reverse and 1/4 speed overdubs on a track--anyone else = hearing this? Also happens during the mutiple levels of replace. It is is a very cool box, just trying to figure it out. I like some = things I did, but I'm not sure how to repeat them... thanks, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 04:34:48 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D80818349B; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 04:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvwEAAYt9lAyaC3Y/2dsb2JhbABFvg4WgxM9AooppTeDMI5njg+CSGEDiGGTFo1y X-Originating-IP: [50.104.45.216] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.45.216 Message-Id: <8BEF4366-3308-4359-900F-ED76D0A4917C@frontier.com> From: Jeff Shirkey To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Ableton Question Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 22:35:59 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <0NrtXC.A.eRE.o3i9QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 04:34:48 +0000 (UTC) I've got a loop in Live with two MIDI tracks, each of which is assigned a virtual instrument. I've got the Live set arranged to repeat the 8 bar phrase again and again in a (duh!) loop. My question: Can I render this loop to audio (maybe make it run 10 minutes or so) so that I can save it as a high quality mp3, and then load it into something like an iPod, so I don't have to bring my laptop with me to play this particular loop? Yes, I'm sure I can RTFM to get my answer. I will happily do so to get the details about how to do it. I was just wondering *if it's possible*. :) Thanks in advance. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 04:43:57 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00BEC183499; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 04:43:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date :to; bh=1/+kGDcyOeLSAFH7aNPCRZMAwPzq1Sxy4QyLtd4nNbM=; b=mCx6p+uURvZMDItkTnySuahuXMrpHzmJC3clikbwvXR3oebNRFhEOw7fosVrFMumgN qk4+gnn3urPblqbFdcvDBJ0MZLGcOtkXRfw3tjzisvH4z5JmU7meu9qwnpVy/XDfPjf+ XN5UI1g6B/UyKv1Kvhkccjs1xzdOS0uPdmqscKIPYIeyAEGzy6Br6tEVIaxwT1kO77fj HfPrtNb1AXcj1mWLD0awVJq2q2GEe4OdHJmX9I6DQgWuPNiNe40XBmzHHWra2DKIFNrM BkDqGKpTzzj8DtbYckj6SX3FXNxHuECxLv7GhnKgOGLd+/37OkLnonludvx/fODD0XRp 2bhQ== X-Received: by 10.68.236.2 with SMTP id uq2mr269004798pbc.55.1358311435767; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:43:55 -0800 (PST) References: <8BEF4366-3308-4359-900F-ED76D0A4917C@frontier.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: <8BEF4366-3308-4359-900F-ED76D0A4917C@frontier.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <184A4B7E-3D22-4F9A-B33C-036FB223027A@gmail.com> Cc: "loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPad Mail (10A523) From: Toddbert Subject: Re: Ableton Question Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:43:52 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 04:43:56 +0000 (UTC) Sure. You can record right into live, or if its aVST you can use resampling t= o get it done. You just run the loop for however long you want, then render t= hat to a wav. Live doesn't render as mp3s, but you can convert using iTunes o= r some such. T Sent from my iPad On Jan 15, 2013, at 8:35 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > I've got a loop in Live with two MIDI tracks, each of which is assigned a v= irtual instrument. I've got the Live set arranged to repeat the 8 bar phrase= again and again in a (duh!) loop. >=20 > My question: Can I render this loop to audio (maybe make it run 10 minutes= or so) so that I can save it as a high quality mp3, and then load it into s= omething like an iPod, so I don't have to bring my laptop with me to play th= is particular loop? >=20 > Yes, I'm sure I can RTFM to get my answer. I will happily do so to get the= details about how to do it. I was just wondering *if it's possible*. :) >=20 > Thanks in advance. >=20 > Jeff >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 04:45:23 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E09418349A; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 04:45:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=d8IXYclTsabVYAADUOYpwPgcQfKIUdSBU4knoV35siU=; b=qhKvjqqpKme1R3qrFJPk1UOn+HGJC8dA6cO14rSxvIfw1FYvJdXcMlktdEcOl6R7/O eFTAk7ILtvYrp5vrOH9sqmfKiszJagOrJkRDYBSZ57MtgjG7gycJ53K4eetjbFCHL3R/ r+nCNkGg436y6jkl087WQStO4kg9PWyK/2FJsEawu4cUxflYNOZonFzJ0YIa9/z7r9ht s2EyFjGnOQJVwlYvpVNmyfZhADFpPUhEUaY8PLYb6N254IbKK3Nvrhj+cH9E/zrYeQ7c ixXkNITfUbIM0LKYnm+WLEpp4zW5rdCgW5l92M6T/usFekBIe0SAkrco9OulCdiwmQwb 4mPg== X-Received: by 10.68.132.232 with SMTP id ox8mr271256815pbb.46.1358311522190; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:45:22 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: Ableton Question From: Philip Clevenger In-Reply-To: <8BEF4366-3308-4359-900F-ED76D0A4917C@frontier.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:45:18 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <8BEF4366-3308-4359-900F-ED76D0A4917C@frontier.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 04:45:23 +0000 (UTC) Set up a new track.=20 Set audio input to Resampling. Kill the audio output for this new Resampling track, so you don't have = duplicate audio monitoring annoyance. Arm the Resampling track to record. Hit Record in the transport bar, and play the loop through for as long = as you like. Once you are utterly bored with your loop and you have enough time = recorded, you can Stop. Finally, hit (I think) Shift-Cmd-R to Render your track to file. Be sure = to select your Resampling track in the "Rendered Track" menu in the = dialog=85=20 Phil :) On Jan 15, 2013, at 8:35 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > I've got a loop in Live with two MIDI tracks, each of which is = assigned a virtual instrument. I've got the Live set arranged to repeat = the 8 bar phrase again and again in a (duh!) loop. >=20 > My question: Can I render this loop to audio (maybe make it run 10 = minutes or so) so that I can save it as a high quality mp3, and then = load it into something like an iPod, so I don't have to bring my laptop = with me to play this particular loop? >=20 > Yes, I'm sure I can RTFM to get my answer. I will happily do so to get = the details about how to do it. I was just wondering *if it's possible*. = :) >=20 > Thanks in advance. >=20 > Jeff >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 04:47:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C457F18349D; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 04:47:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=J3otoxrZU61uRdS0s1SFE3Ft/VBMOj9i/aJq2hQWFpg=; b=poyebRng+0Qn2EN3f8Jo4F1iUrji7uldZ9dn9MLYqFC13QCcuK3G6KFQktLsP5gQjq pnPmotAFQhou2AoWTS+w01taUbPFuMDhtXdSN8ds4kQNFtGCkAYS2KWyoRh/ytgQ6msF kdyqkCgcnGNHdtMJhhEbLcd9O89hJ4k9SphKQgYQiXwXG70ldxGoXgQIAPyukBsL78YF e99yNA0LncthwvqMQ9hpfPuWDDeU798CLdGFHm6gQnl/QhEz1ceUTnXfQIk2r4EOrxoQ mZhgbp5TxPGPOoGSWr6txrn1K9uKYwrKBbo6RnhsBb266nHI08SJTkGZRs7M8kEKji8R I0Og== X-Received: by 10.68.217.4 with SMTP id ou4mr268231067pbc.88.1358311633870; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:47:13 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: Ableton Question From: Philip Clevenger In-Reply-To: <184A4B7E-3D22-4F9A-B33C-036FB223027A@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:47:11 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4911D200-48EF-44FF-8C0A-275822D678A8@gmail.com> References: <8BEF4366-3308-4359-900F-ED76D0A4917C@frontier.com> <184A4B7E-3D22-4F9A-B33C-036FB223027A@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 04:47:14 +0000 (UTC) You may want to set the audio output of your Resampling track to = "Master" before you Render it to file. P On Jan 15, 2013, at 8:43 PM, Toddbert wrote: > Sure. You can record right into live, or if its aVST you can use = resampling to get it done. You just run the loop for however long you = want, then render that to a wav. Live doesn't render as mp3s, but you = can convert using iTunes or some such. >=20 > T >=20 > Sent from my iPad >=20 > On Jan 15, 2013, at 8:35 PM, Jeff Shirkey = wrote: >=20 >> I've got a loop in Live with two MIDI tracks, each of which is = assigned a virtual instrument. I've got the Live set arranged to repeat = the 8 bar phrase again and again in a (duh!) loop. >>=20 >> My question: Can I render this loop to audio (maybe make it run 10 = minutes or so) so that I can save it as a high quality mp3, and then = load it into something like an iPod, so I don't have to bring my laptop = with me to play this particular loop? >>=20 >> Yes, I'm sure I can RTFM to get my answer. I will happily do so to = get the details about how to do it. I was just wondering *if it's = possible*. :) >>=20 >> Thanks in advance. >>=20 >> Jeff >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 04:51:21 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53C5018349E; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 04:51:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhcFAI0w9lAyaC3Y/2dsb2JhbABFjmGvLRaDEQEBAQMBOAJECwtGV4gsBqU4gzCOZI4PgkhhA4hhkxaNcg X-Originating-IP: [50.104.45.216] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.45.216 Message-Id: <48D303E5-2AE6-4CEB-B970-CD99D6A1A7D5@frontier.com> From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4911D200-48EF-44FF-8C0A-275822D678A8@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Ableton Question Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 22:52:32 -0600 References: <8BEF4366-3308-4359-900F-ED76D0A4917C@frontier.com> <184A4B7E-3D22-4F9A-B33C-036FB223027A@gmail.com> <4911D200-48EF-44FF-8C0A-275822D678A8@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 04:51:21 +0000 (UTC) You guys rock. Thanks so much to you both. :) Jeff On Jan 15, 2013, at 10:47 PM, Philip Clevenger wrote: > You may want to set the audio output of your Resampling track to > "Master" before you Render it to file. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 07:34:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 281E618349F; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:34:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper (Ditto Looper) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 23:34:34 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:34:42 +0000 (UTC) Well one can never have too many loopers particularly for someone wanting to build up real long ambient layers , or perhaps a jazz guitarist to easily make it through a standard before starting to solo. I can think of one way to use something like this already, create a really long blank loop with as little signal noise as possible (turn off the distortions etc turn down the volume of your instrument). Then start playing ambient swells, drones or what ever until you build a nice atmosphere, and then use the undo redo function to toggle between the loop and silence, which also acts as a more predictable way to stop the loop as well, as long as you don't continue to overdub. I really like to resample and having something that tiny with that much memory for that cheap seems like a no brainer for ones pedal board if one had the space and cash. kudos to TC. my only potential issue is, even with velcro on the bottom I wonder if this thing will have tipping issues, it sure is a cute little thing. i can just hear people now, 'awe look at that sweet lil' looper"... Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 08:57:49 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAA9418349F; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:57:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 344001.97562.bm@omp1038.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1358326668; bh=SIiXMSryz+d3gM/J0Af0zmrthGL7sDRRI3r963B0t3Y=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xLS1LBY7B5DZWNJRNdNiJrYMnBCxGiwUp1MZYPTfv43ovKRvxnCzIQyv11GhORSqo9UdpCmXVsrDL2IUCspREWZBuzJuY2z5W8tX4Yskx+KDDaME/6ouaJdwstEAiAainLFJ4ULoYCRYoL+789REVYhzUNglpqGs1uAT699os00= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tCRLhbaROJKIsN08nD6etd2R+SdAAZ3Tw3f+a4yKp6QgdN/lngd49nLPEUdggDeNRhd5hdFztMbZm29iksFiOsJ5BIL94pLOTm0TkdEqfk+R+XQUg7FhzWfG1eTVumUFYbygPQ4oTPCwSidzTJ43K2OlexnT99TyAnahg02v1KM=; X-YMail-OSG: 8nheqZsVM1kQq2BP1YxhnEGCGuf8P4dOcWwHvI8pkPlnVzG ruwjFNXnBrYRVXfJitmxhuzfbp7lE5F8rHs2En8kWZXsTkQRZstYxnqPunq_ GYkh7fa.UXy.4N2hhLK8NcR8fdHRq8_dlB.Rp8H12yw6lCHYc8ohX5neY2kd 9X7j4c8lJPuqIBBrDwOn223h0qOV1NT9SQAMDVFw1kQIYetaRLn3R0Etwrqj FA2yJiGuyQ0dHVb8JPDecokolX1pn8giX3HO6AnOsNN8LYDLmJ4fxcy0zlcz 5ftbPUb11eaHA1iJfuNiMf6aLMT0ezITFn8BrDofTkO8EWj.XziXhFLWbioX 9XqUaM4h1vuU2vEHGj3SbxUuEvDOLVoUHbqYi04nQtlZaA9O7ZsYHodLJaZn Cf0P7HWUZEl.ieO59IynyQV6__wjsF6WVAn8U48x.vLffJkA28CpzHXzBiw7 0Io_xGl4n.XhcaZFAiYk5Z1GpnIyBCEi2gsuc13SkPVHdvnmdwniasH8Xu7t TVGALQwZboc8MgZQdfo9Qn6AUW42yF75Q_NXCQ4N4w_7fwrG4PqWYQtUYOSY JbHC9.Qop6JOj3gV6iSMuMVt7TQjBixUEwgwnrCv_D.Y- X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,aGkgR2FuZywKaXMgdGhlcmUgYSBjb29sIHRoZXJlbWluIGFwcCBmb3IgdGhlIGlwYWQgdG8gdXNlIGxpdmU_IAoKaSBmaW5kIHRoZSBvbmUgaW4gdGh1bWJqYW0gb2sgYnV0IHN0aWxsIGxvb2tpbmcgZm9yIHNvbWV0aGluZ8KgIHRoYXQgaSBjYW4gbWFuaXB1bGF0ZSB3aXRoIG15IGhhbmQgb24gdGhlIGFpciBpbnN0ZWFkIG9mIHRvdWNoIHNjcmVlbiBhbmQgdGhhdMKgIHdpbGwgYWxzbyBpbmNsdWRlIGZ4IHN1Y2ggZGVsYXkgcmVnZW5lcmF0b3IsZGlzdG9ydGlvbiwgZXRjLgoKdGhhbngKTHVpcwoKwqAKaHQBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.130.494 Message-ID: <1358326668.23327.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 00:57:48 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Reply-To: Luis Angulo Subject: Theremin for Ipad To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1480336445-471095828-1358326668=:23327" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:57:49 +0000 (UTC) ---1480336445-471095828-1358326668=:23327 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi Gang,=0Ais there a cool theremin app for the ipad to use live? =0A=0Ai f= ind the one in thumbjam ok but still looking for something=A0 that i can ma= nipulate with my hand on the air instead of touch screen and that=A0 will a= lso include fx such delay regenerator,distortion, etc.=0A=0Athanx=0ALuis=0A= =0A=A0=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ---1480336445-471095828-1358326668=:23327 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi Gang,
is there a cool theremin app for the ipad to use live= ?
i find the one in thumbjam ok but still looki= ng for something  that i can manipulate with my hand on the air instea= d of touch screen and that  will also include fx such delay regenerato= r,distortion, etc.
thanx
Luis
 
http://www.myspace.com/luisan= gulocom
---1480336445-471095828-1358326668=:23327-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 10:41:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA7B018349F; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:41:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=QBDTbm0YUsjFUH6JAJWDEn97l61PfeNXFh9woH/9NOY=; b=bE+bZS4+Mu8zmLmfpNBF4/hlDf8N59/GfrNM6nVdvYPT0KJEIug4CxAkEKvmvu6g9o w2bB6pCIGT03biJ0+x9V2f+tdV73N/tT5iWnElNdUjW5bS45FUN/SBfheqUIFpDANqAW a657kHt4PSaF9ybonuYeKpBN1iFrOOjp8RpveuwgsRLCZcIrT5F8UNfFiGffnT3WCRqc yPIhecoDUAW22TIzEcwoBuvH2KuB0Lbhca5B5OmCU7turZ02Wyvar8kvqMfL48i5rMOa LaL+9r1JPPPB4387JXXd12q2o+2p2IGIvgvRoOX8w9UyWJnvm3UqPJLQ+brXfH/61Lrz CClg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.171.112 with SMTP id at16mr444785oec.47.1358332885096; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 02:41:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1358326668.23327.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1358326668.23327.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 11:41:24 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Theremin for Ipad From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:41:25 +0000 (UTC) I doubt an iPad is able to generate the electro magnetic field needed for tracking hand movements in the air. But there are iOS synths that sound similar to a theremin... even the most simple synths, if you use a proper setting for portamento and maybe an LFO vibrato as well. Over here I have Bebot and MorphWiz, but I'd guess there are many more. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Luis Angulo wrote: > hi Gang, > is there a cool theremin app for the ipad to use live? > i find the one in thumbjam ok but still looking for something that i can > manipulate with my hand on the air instead of touch screen and that will > also include fx such delay regenerator,distortion, etc. > thanx > Luis > > http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 12:11:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1518C1834A4; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:11:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1358338285; bh=KjFiZyOuHVS3U3fRn+hris9nVxb9l6xOymqI0S9K6qc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer; b=CZ+K5Mfd4Rzhhdzb9+GryWnEzqURJTOiHqAA65fyJ3eC04U+QxDbiMKqVtp5uqgBgqQ6WOHdI860cQnJMDZzgNSkZP6kKGWtVUW5C5G0DURGRR85bLtaBjvr4i5mN14o/ztLEESe4wnbPqTJXNesbmXgukmo9L9xZddORaOvozo= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 192513.82919.bm@smtp119.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: YpuvE54VM1n_ZYRilJOueyKtZLVwanWERxkrzZxzQW6Xm7K 5gx7xBVe2vuY6_iFA_D6FcLeOYmoswDp7AnlUpOaD5S70EwQ7nAoyBWI66OD 0R0UBuc3j9Wj6uzSLEhJ04jsvcMIASYY17wOuF2Os5VCKLh5X0YvlLS.6aMQ Ak.KbpzDM0K6FbEdU2MyslnVpENj5xKMn5AaruC9Xsppd3hOeNk.b2dtHfQi lxT4hpHHcPBndjW0x.gczc0sIFyjmxw9TCm2EmK41_A36lx41rT2dY4AcoEf lT2C_CDkjzzOskm1.sagAV.XkrZNRaOET3n075iu5kop.6AOvT9DEfW11_.Q aCru6QCINtG_YwhYjLWfgyaazxzQ792lw5E0YXtkLfx57MJkD99Rlxt_uEcS cdx5ulS637zB6OphdmHdkIJmn8R4Sfbfj1by93_gJxE.wLHtaO0XKVW9m6pV NyNJdAaJ2fzIVc_kKmlTpY0UDgciR2dxqbHx3HljAI7zNHW1RHYvdct9OWMO 3VsTbVTtTYFY51f2iTjcAHCdzXVG3Gn3W54z.mYV6RPRjA5dclpMdCIBL6BF W5dfdts.c1vHuPCHbtoAYyiKZPj6fj5RO.NjDYPdnFgihK988AKlVStcpizI IIxQnlOVQVt62fe6GAeVGeTjv_cwF76eM0fOTPGQPs4YqRYMJ1w83dNMD2PK 9iSLRPGjfEk67rnSDRZYzPggKZPhUKYqIWq83QfsWxKDjyREo4KGTaeq5lW. 4SGAqw7FlQD0- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 75CdczOswBChen.W3AbLhaW8TlC96TVo5w-- From: Ben To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Per Boysen Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 13:11:24 +0100 Subject: Re: Theremin for Ipad In-Reply-To: References: <1358326668.23327.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <20130116131124.97110580.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: nPOPuk Ver 2.16 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:11:28 +0000 (UTC) And there's this new app just released yesterday: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/e-theremin-electro-theremin/id591471950 free by the way. but of course , it's still using the touch surface. I think there is one app using the camera and detecting light/shadow but it wasn't that precise. There are stuff using the accelerometer too so you'll have your hand in the air but with your iphone in it ;-) With an ipad you'd better have a big hand ;-) Ben -------------------------------------------------- Per Boysen wrote: (16/01/2013 11:41) > I doubt an iPad is able to generate the electro magnetic field needed > for tracking hand movements in the air. But there are iOS synths that > sound similar to a theremin... even the most simple synths, if you use > a proper setting for portamento and maybe an LFO vibrato as well. Over > here I have Bebot and MorphWiz, but I'd guess there are many more. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Luis Angulo wrote: > > hi Gang, > > is there a cool theremin app for the ipad to use live? > > i find the one in thumbjam ok but still looking for something that i can > > manipulate with my hand on the air instead of touch screen and that will > > also include fx such delay regenerator,distortion, etc. > > thanx > > Luis > > > > http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 12:33:26 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B63B1834A6; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:33:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=tSv5gEAt/dXzIuirEggT72GJsoYhm3TMW+hR3DHpPg8jsbM1iecFkMTBrtVVhUN9; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1358326668.23327.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1358326668.23327.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:23:27 -0500 To: Luis Angulo , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Theremin for Ipad Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79a6196017041b947e4a7817316dfffcea350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:33:26 +0000 (UTC) It would be technically impossible to control the iPad as you specify. Apart from that, I highly recommend "Bebot", it's got looping delay capabilities, and it's worth a try. For more advances uses, the apps Jorden Rudness helped create are essentially Bebot with tremendous bells and whistles... At 12:57 AM -0800 1/16/13, Luis Angulo wrote: >hi Gang, >is there a cool theremin app for the ipad to use live? > >i find the one in thumbjam ok but still looking for something that >i can manipulate with my hand on the air instead of touch screen and >that will also include fx such delay regenerator,distortion, etc. > >thanx >Luis > >http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 14:45:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 741821834AA; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 14:45:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=xWLQcGPgTGD3W50+yF6XUdn/LgKIRf6mh9W8Cw6B3mk=; b=D/NUV7IrKs+fcCf4SlKBy9V2lKbhZnHOL00Y47IE0Zd1xyRzOrBfkQx/nt+71PoGaE vi0U/LM3kkmg874dtax7kgEjtSXZe3yihauamG3NX1xbQ0MOZ93kEUi7h6MYoRrkEeUj i5gvafNF9n35IRaGXqVPQpARj3tyI/sLkJ07uqGQMy1pUFKSTlqKMjfbWpuoxC63wmo8 qIV31qusF6Yb+MRyJT6fSe5/wzqrMIYS9kPFjxBrfl1LK2Nwc6blHg3pNnpLXArw9lMP Hs2xcT8BxVSNWtZ77sHYzyJkkqlfosl8zfAfoME3R2mKqQhyL+ttNOqnI+OaFuvB5Uau lDYA== X-Received: by 10.66.82.200 with SMTP id k8mr4190551pay.56.1358347503564; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 06:45:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <1358326668.23327.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:44:43 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Pz8HfzrK2xaK0VOrIt_vlzJNvBk Message-ID: Subject: Re: Theremin for Ipad To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042de5956e77a604d368ec81 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 14:45:05 +0000 (UTC) --f46d042de5956e77a604d368ec81 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I like a rather spacy one called Cosmovox... quite theremin-ish M On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > It would be technically impossible to control the iPad as you specify. > Apart from that, I highly recommend "Bebot", it's got looping delay > capabilities, and it's worth a try. For more advances uses, the apps Jorden > Rudness helped create are essentially Bebot with tremendous bells and > whistles... > > > At 12:57 AM -0800 1/16/13, Luis Angulo wrote: > >> hi Gang, >> is there a cool theremin app for the ipad to use live? >> >> i find the one in thumbjam ok but still looking for something that i can >> manipulate with my hand on the air instead of touch screen and that will >> also include fx such delay regenerator,distortion, etc. >> >> thanx >> Luis >> >> http://www.myspace.com/**luisangulocom >> > > > -- > > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > http://albumcredits.com/zmix > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d042de5956e77a604d368ec81 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I like a rather spacy one called Cosmovox... quite theremi= n-ish

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On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Charles Zwi= cky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> wrote:
It would be technically impossible to contro= l the iPad =A0as you specify. =A0Apart from that, I highly recommend "= Bebot", it's got looping delay capabilities, and it's worth a = try. For more advances uses, the apps Jorden Rudness helped create are esse= ntially Bebot with tremendous bells and whistles...


At 12:57 AM -0800 1/16/13, Luis Angulo wrote:
hi Gang,
is there a cool theremin app for the ipad to use live?

i find the one in thumbjam ok but still looking for something =A0that i can= manipulate with my hand on the air instead of touch screen and that =A0wil= l also include fx such delay regenerator,distortion, etc.

thanx
Luis

http://w= ww.myspace.com/luisangulocom


--

...
http://www.zmix.net
http://albumcred= its.com/zmix




-- Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--f46d042de5956e77a604d368ec81-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 15:43:07 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 731611834A8; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:43:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=wGZEeoOA2uQ9Bs4EIMWXqmcIB2MyIZ6URQ8E/VhuyWY=; b=yfTSEYBlDaSg8diOAiuAhjCcNfHy/8dFj2DNoTVH0DOn0JwM++Ic+mF8p5gqSzZ0LC AqwIqn0V3bn9tGg7QNsFLB0EjPMV53VTF/JwPipIdectBSQTaxkBLkWuFxwhbjV9cZKN aTqq+lZY1U0cTYW/AwjcrJUVlcSvrsfqnfMPigMBJrZArdhgBlYf3WaCIVAu1AFkuMvX b/Gay2tF2ZD17pYvIbaVNGyjyZBWsDLZo8FXC954eFE7/N0SHZux4fEaiZF4dVQjBnK9 BbJOXwUtC7DiWCTgGh04U6av8z413jRWK9RU2tkNzsSThIKBa1WnfyVpjlAgT9ysOFQf RZiA== X-Received: by 10.204.4.90 with SMTP id 26mr534956bkq.76.1358350986336; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:43:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <8BEF4366-3308-4359-900F-ED76D0A4917C@frontier.com> In-Reply-To: <8BEF4366-3308-4359-900F-ED76D0A4917C@frontier.com> Subject: Re: Ableton Question Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:43:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:43:07 +0000 (UTC) If you run your looper in a separate audio or aux channel, where you send your instrument signals to that track, I think you could record it to a clip easy enough. You could even edit the clip as well. -----Original Message----- I've got a loop in Live with two MIDI tracks, each of which is assigned a virtual instrument. I've got the Live set arranged to repeat the 8 bar phrase again and again in a (duh!) loop. My question: Can I render this loop to audio (maybe make it run 10 minutes or so) so that I can save it as a high quality mp3, and then load it into something like an iPod, so I don't have to bring my laptop with me to play this particular loop? Yes, I'm sure I can RTFM to get my answer. I will happily do so to get the details about how to do it. I was just wondering *if it's possible*. :) Thanks in advance. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 17:12:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECC801834AD; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:12:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OryVkytreUR9m26jjwt9ZQGrkGVZbXjSnRECeH9Z6H0=; b=hZV44j6EgPDbUw2er4qq9oJg+slNbpDeV8Us58tuZrqfq4+/fxt2WXlMTeAPYrK5VJ ov6jKXjjlqdprqM3wDCIwe9nYIfi0CwfUuKOdWnnkaVZ3Lhq9aEqGJmAO1GwxkDdMeM6 AMkXRtcGKEMLeS/QnjaVJVa4E5eMGWb6sTRJEhjjTWJYc0xFySpz2kg/q4DzkdDhgMeb Q6rVMOXs+OjU7jRsSl7HWadX+48F/MIZLmP2zk2pfLn5vusbaUvDGjtkbU5tjahgf++k iUOjH83UODls8KDGqaaqCI7j/QGsEoL1Xyn/s2bM9omZyCp2KFMfIMVvCfIzoJyeaN7J 7Mog== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.29.135 with SMTP id k7mr2364915qeh.39.1358356338166; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:12:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1358326668.23327.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:12:18 -0900 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Theremin for Ipad From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <2JjVOB.A.akD.y9t9QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:12:18 +0000 (UTC) Funny you should ask =97 while not an optical (true) Theremin, here's another sound-alike you might consider. I know you asked initially about one for the iPad, but the optical ones just aren't being pursued as much. http://createdigitalmusic.com/2013/01/look-ma-hands-ios-theremin-app-draws-= from-tannerin-martenot-trautonium/ =85iPhone/iPod Touch. Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 5:44 AM, mark francombe wr= ote: > I like a rather spacy one called Cosmovox... quite theremin-ish > > M > > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Charles Zwicky > wrote: >> >> It would be technically impossible to control the iPad as you specify. >> Apart from that, I highly recommend "Bebot", it's got looping delay >> capabilities, and it's worth a try. For more advances uses, the apps Jor= den >> Rudness helped create are essentially Bebot with tremendous bells and >> whistles... >> >> >> At 12:57 AM -0800 1/16/13, Luis Angulo wrote: >>> >>> hi Gang, >>> is there a cool theremin app for the ipad to use live? >>> >>> i find the one in thumbjam ok but still looking for something that i c= an >>> manipulate with my hand on the air instead of touch screen and that wi= ll >>> also include fx such delay regenerator,distortion, etc. >>> >>> thanx >>> Luis >>> >>> http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom >> >> >> >> -- >> >> ... >> http://www.zmix.net >> >> http://albumcredits.com/zmix >> > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 23:30:34 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FF39183493; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 23:30:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4VnOwA/SzdPazinW6B1hu4CL0A7O2HDoO+/AMPEbVk4=; b=K5wOtVzQbDQDs+VDKIlj+GrIwp+x9V991JttQRHIMGEIeHWHzwPn/2hk0030RDHKoq KgWHyOvtSVr+NA3EFAd2ypgQCChhpAxrDhRN1I8n/OlwU7rfqmpWxPcVVqDDly/E2ZNm UbWM/doQFkVMr4UlClBXCMwU2FTHjj0rT4wM2ZfbT3Sx7ovZqGNF5i0bAYFAx3RKgI38 UHO8JgdZq0ksO8mbZ66E6fIuf/u+zRsMlB9FQ0GZswJN6oJ2a7buuUoE2hDkCZk1Oy8h 0eNuZW/1fUNOZ/O7zDTurL1arHNJS7js/Ny5weViIwgzoR80C0IgI+gxpT6PJ74Jq5mH hgmw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.172.113 with SMTP id bb17mr2430684oec.110.1358379033648; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:30:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 00:30:33 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: "Delay Looping" for freezing sound bursts pre looper From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 23:30:34 +0000 (UTC) I'm a fan of "delay looping" and like to use a volume pedal to also control loop feedback. I prefer quite short loop times for delays and combine two of them set to different lengths in order to get at those nice poly rhythm effects. Recently I uploaded two videos that make use of this technique: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N9NesJu0SQ and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1Ykofy-XB8 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 03:21:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1780183494; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 03:21:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=RdnVyGhNGQPJOEwE8Cp9TbUZN8j+WbxVc+gb/g3TCBg=; b=U64QRzOroaZ3wied4pycSq+7S322aKadQyzHsGgRfKRK1aWzwbQ6h4Ysn1OPqKsPdI Uy1rbaz0gBr8P8iNQ87fWas9or73/uwlb0dwrTcPCY9bccd3UTkyP8/cNEfl6nrGbU2T XgYrLM8Cr4iaQYy+wh08AXRLh10XOIqZOUw0qjjuhXdZbiIJ65m9VroOGPoZStS8KfEh bnve5oLr8pxd+y4eEmS60uEBwpbEXCpnyG3Adgz1dU+sCCOe33DYTB91kjmelzFrSWJI +udpyH4t43IIwUA3FH2DAlX4cH48sIPADdn4S04s4BXNh+yTb4BRT+nxWEdMp7L+YlJF wpgw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.22.68 with SMTP id b4mr2826042oef.111.1358392887772; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:21:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:21:27 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: TC Electronics Ditto looper From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb1f27a8a85d604d3737dbc Resent-Message-ID: <_fUejD.A.J7.4429QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 03:21:28 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8fb1f27a8a85d604d3737dbc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i suppose bill is right. an inexpensive simpler looper is not such a bad idea i guess for the masses. so when everyone writes: "i'm new to looping, what should i get?" we can answer: get the ditto, it's under 100$, easy to use, has a lot of time and simple. problem solved. i guess for me, as i get on my soap box again-why do we need another device that's just a simple phrase sampler that creates static loops. i thought that the original idea of all this looping when djs started doing it yrs ago was to snatch bits of songs, mangle the sh*t out of them (pitch up/down, slow it down, speed it up, filter it, mangle it w/ effects etc) and make something cool sounding then you do your bit on top of it (rap, sing, play, whatever).. isn't that what the original hardware samplers allowed you to do-MANGLE it! isn't that why those consoles look like spaceships and us guitarists were so afraid of them? are we so afraid of controls? maybe we are. i guess that's why EVH's guitar is the most popular-it had one pickup & one volume knob-pretty hard for us dumb guitarists to mess that up.... ok, i'm off my soapbox now again... long live the tc ditto looper.... s--- --e89a8fb1f27a8a85d604d3737dbc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i suppose bill is right. an inexpensive simpler looper is not such a bad id= ea i guess for the masses.
so when everyone writes: "i'm new to= looping, what should i get?"
we can answer: get the ditto, it'= s under 100$, easy to use, has a lot of time and simple.
problem solved.
i guess for me, as i get on my soap box again-why do we = need another device that's just a simple phrase sampler that creates st= atic loops.
i thought that the original idea of all this looping when dj= s started doing it yrs ago was to snatch bits of songs, mangle the sh*t out= of them (pitch up/down,
slow it down, speed it up, filter it, mangle it w/ effects etc) and make so= mething cool sounding then you do your bit on top of it (rap, sing, play, w= hatever)..
isn't that what the original hardware samplers allowed yo= u to do-MANGLE it! isn't that why those consoles look like spaceships a= nd us guitarists
were so afraid of them? are we so afraid of controls? maybe we are. i guess= that's why EVH's guitar is the most popular-it had one pickup &= ; one volume
knob-pretty hard for us dumb guitarists to mess that up....=
ok, i'm off my soapbox now again...
long live the tc ditto looper...= .
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--e89a8fb1f27a8a85d604d3737dbc-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 03:39:33 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19834183494; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 03:39:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=gQxQRjR/z9WbFwRgDWxKM0aAr2gJx5i1iTNf6eTaV/II7ZqmxlNCNEpSs/8XaMV/; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <22186003.1358393962158.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:39:21 -0500 (EST) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: TC Electronics Ditto looper Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd4861afce289fd60517268f46435c982e7450e5dc5ab6323efb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.32 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 03:39:33 +0000 (UTC) >concur< I remember when theEH 16sec.DDL came out-I was so happy-mangle city-up down forward reverse-slo/fast backwards/frontwards statickee/smootheness and all @ 8 bit. no one-not even Nels Cline have tapped into all that is in  that pedal. wish they would make a true update w/ higher sample values/bit rates and then leave it alone.
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Subject: TC Electronics Ditto looper

i suppose bill is right. an inexpensive simpler looper is not such a bad idea i guess for the masses.
so when everyone writes: "i'm new to looping, what should i get?"
we can answer: get the ditto, it's under 100$, easy to use, has a lot of time and simple.
problem solved.
i guess for me, as i get on my soap box again-why do we need another device that's just a simple phrase sampler that creates static loops.
i thought that the original idea of all this looping when djs started doing it yrs ago was to snatch bits of songs, mangle the sh*t out of them (pitch up/down,
slow it down, speed it up, filter it, mangle it w/ effects etc) and make something cool sounding then you do your bit on top of it (rap, sing, play, whatever)..
isn't that what the original hardware samplers allowed you to do-MANGLE it! isn't that why those consoles look like spaceships and us guitarists
were so afraid of them? are we so afraid of controls? maybe we are. i guess that's why EVH's guitar is the most popular-it had one pickup & one volume
knob-pretty hard for us dumb guitarists to mess that up....
ok, i'm off my soapbox now again...
long live the tc ditto looper....
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 10:39:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 402B9183493; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 10:39:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <50F7D4F9.1070008@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 02:39:53 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Sullivan , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: LP-2 questions References: <302A0A31-8448-48AA-A397-AE03C548EB15@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <302A0A31-8448-48AA-A397-AE03C548EB15@earthlink.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050509030602040108070001" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 10:39:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050509030602040108070001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 1/15/2013 3:18 PM, Paul Sullivan wrote: *Thanks for your questions, Paul. Here are some answers for you. Let me know if any of them are not comprehensible. I'll do my best now.* > I'm hoping some of you are more in the know by now, I'm still not sure how to use many of the functions. The 3 page sheet that comes with is bare bones . Hopefully at some point there will be a real manual, or do a fully instructional video to do it justice. In the meantime, I have just a few questions for those more attuned to it's features and quirks than I (and thanks in advance): > *Bill and I have been really busy over the holidays but are immediate intention is to begin making a comprehensive video manual for the website and for youtube. Bear with us, we're juggling trying to make a living as musicians in Northern California.* > 1 )I love the multiple layers of undo while in play, is there any way to undo the undo--add back the layers one at a time, until you're back to the original fully overdubbed loop? Like peeling an onion and then re-assembling it? > > *No, there is no 'RE-DO' of an UNDO on the LP-2 You can build it up (up to 30 overdubs) and peel it back, but you've got to rerecord to put it back together again.* > *When you use UNDO, you have to use the function, one overdub (your last one) at a time.* > > 2) Once you've recorded a loop and it's playing, to record another loop do you have to go into configuration mode and shift to another slot to record the next loop--or is their an easier way with less button pressing? > *There is no ERASE function. Like many loopers on the market, to record another track, you need to STOP the loop that is playing and the hit RECORD to erase the last loop playing and record a new one.* > > 3) Are loops automatically saved to the card, even after powering down and back up again? If not, is there any way to save them to the card short of not turning it off? > *Loops are automatically recorded to the card in it's present location. > If you want to SAVE the last loop you recorded, you need to move the LP-2 to another loop location. In my next post I'll included directions for these more sophisticated > functions (so it's more easily archived. > > 1) Saving Loops > 2) Changing effect selection in the middle of a performance* > *3) Undoing the last layer.* > > 4) I seem to pick up a lot of clicking from the rapid button presses when I do lots of reverse and 1/4 speed overdubs on a track--anyone else hearing this? Also happens during the mutiple levels of replace. > *I'm not experiencing that on the two that I"m working with right now. When did you recieve your LP-2? > If it was in the first batch, then you will need to get it replaced as there were some defects in the hardware that had to be redisigned. Let me know when you got it.* > > It is is a very cool box, just trying to figure it out. I like some things I did, but I'm not sure how to repeat them... > *For something as relatively cheap as it is, and as small as it is, it's pretty danged sophisticated. > It will take some time to get the hang of it. Of course, I remember how mistified I was by the EDP when I first got it. Most loopers I've found, tend to have pretty crummy manuals. > We're hoping that by taking a bit of time and doing video demos that we can eliminate this problem. > In the meantime, feel free to write to me for questions you have. > > Yours, Rick Walker* > > thanks, > Paul --------------050509030602040108070001 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
On 1/15/2013 3:18 PM, Paul Sullivan wrote:

Thanks for your questions, Paul.   Here are some answers for you.
Let me know if any of them are not comprehensible.  I'll do my best now.

I'm hoping some of you are more in the know by now, I'm still not sure how to use many of the functions. The 3 page sheet that comes with is bare bones . Hopefully at some point there will be a real manual, or do a fully instructional video to do it justice. In the meantime, I have just a few questions for those more attuned to it's features and quirks than I (and thanks in advance):
Bill and I have been really busy over the holidays but are immediate intention is to begin making a comprehensive video manual for the website and for youtube.  Bear with us,  we're juggling trying to make a living as musicians in Northern California.
1 )I  love the multiple layers of undo while in play, is there any way to undo the undo--add back the layers one at a time, until you're back to the original fully overdubbed loop? Like peeling an onion and then re-assembling it?

No, there is no 'RE-DO' of an UNDO on the LP-2    You can build it up (up to 30 overdubs) and peel it back, but you've got to rerecord to put it back together again.
When you use UNDO,  you have to use the function,  one overdub (your last one) at a time.

2) Once you've recorded a loop and it's playing, to record another loop do you have to go into configuration mode and shift to another slot to record the next loop--or is their an easier way with less button pressing?
There is no ERASE function.    Like many loopers on the market, to record another track, you need to STOP the loop that is playing and the hit RECORD to erase the last loop playing and record a new one.

3) Are loops automatically saved to the card, even after powering down and back up again? If not, is there any way to save them to the card short of not turning it off?
Loops are automatically recorded to the card in it's present location.
If you want to SAVE the last loop you recorded,  you need to move the LP-2 to another loop location.   In my next post I'll included directions for these more sophisticated 
functions (so it's more easily archived.

1) Saving Loops
2) Changing effect selection in the middle of a performance
3) Undoing the last layer.

4)  I seem to pick up a lot of clicking from the rapid button presses when I do lots of reverse and 1/4 speed overdubs on a track--anyone else hearing this? Also happens during the mutiple levels of replace.
I'm not experiencing that on the two that I"m working with right now.   When did you recieve your LP-2?
If it was in the first batch, then you will need to get it replaced as there were some defects in the hardware that had to be redisigned.     Let me know when you got it.

It is is a very cool box, just trying to figure it out. I like some things I did, but I'm not sure how to repeat them...
For something as relatively cheap as it is, and as small as it is,  it's pretty danged sophisticated.
It will take some time to get the hang of it.    Of course, I remember how mistified I was by the EDP when I first got it.      Most loopers I've found, tend to have pretty crummy manuals.
We're hoping that by taking a bit of time and doing video demos that we can eliminate this problem.
In the meantime,  feel free to write to me for questions you have.

Yours,   Rick Walker

thanks,
Paul

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=0A =0A =0A ---30515679-1168287746-1358420195=:93273-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 11:27:34 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E56A183494; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 11:27:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <50F7E02A.9030307@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 03:27:38 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: LP-2 ADVANCED FUNCTIONS EXPLAINED part one Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_Tg0M.A.hLE.mA-9QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 11:27:34 +0000 (UTC) LOOPERLATIVE LP-2 Mini Looper ADVANCED FUNCTIONS explained PART ONE _*CHANGING FUNCTIONS*__*during performance*_ 1) While the unit is PLAYING (and only when it is) a LONG PRESS of RECORD activates the FUNCTION BUTTONS so you can switch between them (once pressed, use BUTTONS 3 + 4 to scroll between two banks of FUNCTIONS) You know you are in this mode when all 8 LEDS light up after the long press of record. A SECOND PRESS of RECORD returns the unit to RECORD/OVERDUB/PLAY/STOP modes. *_CHANGING FUNCTIONS with your hands before performing _*2) There is a SMALL BUTTON on the BACK of the LP-2 (to the immediate right of the SD card slot as you face the unit in performance mode) that you can press in lightly with your hand to activate switching the FUNCTION BUTTONS. Again, the 8 LEDs will light up and you can use BUTTONS 3 + 4 to each activate one of 8 different functions. PRESS that BUTTON a SECOND TIME returns the unit to RECORD/OVERDUB/PLAY/STOP modes. *_HOW TO UNDO YOUR LAST LOOP and up to 30 previous overdubs_* 3) LONG PRESS OF RECORD followed by hitting RECORD again = UNDO(es) the last overdub this must be done every time you want to peel back your last overdub. There are up to 30 UNDOs that you can activate per loop. There is no REDO function returns the unit to RECORD/OVERDUB/PLAY/STOP modes. 4) a LONG PRESS OF RECORD followed by hitting PLAY accesses SAVED LOOPS MODE All 8 LEDs will light up to let you know you are in this mode (once pressed, use BUTTONS 3 (up) + 4 (down) to scroll to different loop locations. A SECOND PRESS of RECORD returns the unit to RECORD/OVERDUB/PLAY/STOP modes. /_Important to note:_/ The LP-2 automatically records the last loop made to it's current location. If you want to SAVE that loop, you must make a mental note of which location it is stored at (following Rule #3) and then select a different location to begin your next loop recording. If you stop a loop and power down the LP-2, the last loop you created is automatically saved for you. _*REMOVING the SD CARD and USING a COMPUTER to EDIT IT and RETURN IT TO THE LP-2*_ 5) Now, when you power down the LP-2 you can take the SD CARD out and use an SD CARD READER to import it into a computer's Audio Editor or DAW to mangle and process to your hearts content: Restore it to the SD card and, voila, some beautiful between song loops that are pre-recorded while you set yourself up for your next song's performance. This can be really handy if you are using multiple instruments to eliminate 'dead time' on stage. I know a pop band who uses this function ONLY (and very effectively) between songs because the songwriter is negotiating changing instruments, drum machines patterns, sequences on a laptop, etc. /_Important to note:_/ The LP-2 will NOT POWER UP without an SD CARD in it's SLOT (on the back of the unit) The unit uses the SD Card as part of it's operational memory. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 11:40:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8112183493; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 11:40:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <50F7E333.6040000@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 03:40:35 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: re: LP-2 ADVANCED FUNCTIONS EXPLAINED part one Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 11:40:30 +0000 (UTC) for some reason,  the HTML didn't not translate properly when I sent this
the first time.  I"m going to try again and also give function #4 a title (doh)

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LOOPERLATIVE LP-2 Mini Looper ADVANCED FUNCTIONS explained

CHANGING FUNCTIONS during performance

1)  While the unit is PLAYING (and only when it is)
a LONG PRESS of RECORD    activates the FUNCTION BUTTONS so you can switch between them
  (once pressed, use BUTTONS 3 + 4 to scroll between two banks of FUNCTIONS)
You know you are in this mode when all 8 LEDS light up after the long press of record.
A SECOND PRESS of RECORD returns the unit to RECORD/OVERDUB/PLAY/STOP modes.

CHANGING FUNCTIONS with your hands before performing

2)  There is a SMALL BUTTON on the BACK of the LP-2 (to the immediate right of the SD card slot
as you face the unit in performance mode) that you can press in lightly  with your hand to activate
switching the FUNCTION BUTTONS.    Again,  the 8 LEDs will light up and you can use
BUTTONS 3 + 4 to each activate one of 8 different functions. 
PRESS that BUTTON a SECOND TIME returns the unit to RECORD/OVERDUB/PLAY/STOP modes.

HOW TO UNDO YOUR LAST LOOP  and up to 30 previous overdubs

3)  LONG PRESS OF RECORD followed by hitting RECORD again =   UNDO(es) the last overdub
this must be done every time you want to peel back your last overdub.   There are up to
30 UNDOs that you can activate per loop.   There is no REDO function

returns the unit to RECORD/OVERDUB/PLAY/STOP modes.

HOW TO SAVE LOOPS YOU'VE RECORDED

4) a  LONG PRESS OF RECORD followed by hitting PLAY  accesses SAVED LOOPS MODE  
All 8 LEDs will light up to let you know you are in this mode       
(once pressed, use BUTTONS 3 (up)  + 4 (down) to scroll  to different loop locations.
A SECOND PRESS of RECORD returns the unit to RECORD/OVERDUB/PLAY/STOP modes.

Important to note:   The LP-2 automatically records the last loop made to it's current location.
If you want to SAVE that loop,  you must make a mental note of which location it is stored
at (following Rule #3) and then select a different location to begin your next loop recording.

If you stop a loop and power down the LP-2,  the last loop you created is automatically saved
for you.

REMOVING the SD CARD and USING a COMPUTER to EDIT IT and RETURN IT TO THE LP-2

5) Now, when you power down the LP-2 you can take the SD CARD out and use an SD CARD READER
to import it into a computer's Audio Editor or DAW to mangle and process to your hearts content:
Restore it to the SD card and,  voila,  some beautiful between song loops that are pre-recorded while
you set yourself up for your next song's performance.    This can be really handy if you are using
multiple instruments to eliminate 'dead time' on stage.    I know a pop band who uses this function
ONLY (and very effectively) between songs because the songwriter is negotiating changing instruments, drum machines patterns, sequences on a laptop, etc.


Important to note:    The LP-2 will NOT POWER UP without an SD CARD in it's SLOT (on the back of the unit)
The unit uses the SD Card as part of it's operational memory. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 12:30:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5FB5183491; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 12:30:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=w/mPyMXObJQ8j7l7yGZ+ofq25HqcUWUetw3a1dXE1zQ=; b=nF6UmV0dGlp2bX3xf654LHPzkIDNNk47vtLleRgNsxXy5qQRpQmW9GQv2SaVm1BPjz HnIqAi7ibv3MzODDa7NM8bkJHFg4Xp8xNW8Psl+tTW5g3ilNEQ5/RfnF5BF+XVA/NYG/ moeMFbsflPLVngWW6ycOEJePtGDnO8M7SdrP3P62vPOUdMk3Pm58mIRMpnRcnoSwIcJr wmiw4zKNtyjiFP4Mkx6cFZuA4q2Z2uKr4x8eUpOkooxfIBSy/G5LlqFF2Oeu0VGcbtBw vjCEPxv6i+OdwAQE5ed7rMkKuD+NVfiA6wiuNwOpR/RMrzoEV1mP4zbAcV1idCXI7vdS aJeQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.40.106 with SMTP id w10mr3617086obk.85.1358425821933; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 04:30:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1358420195.93273.YahooMailMobile@web171703.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> References: <1358420195.93273.YahooMailMobile@web171703.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 13:30:21 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re : "Delay Looping" for freezing sound bursts pre looper From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044468fd91efb104d37b2808 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 12:30:22 +0000 (UTC) --f46d044468fd91efb104d37b2808 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Antony Hequet wrote: > Is the Axe producingbthe delays? Yes, this is the AxeFx's delay blocks. In the clean sound (red Stick) video the more CPU demanding Tape Delay block, but in the video with the bigger brown Stick I used plain normal digital stereo and pingpon delay blocks in the Axe. But this is a simple signal routing technique and I've done it with all kinds of delay machines and stomp pedals since around 1980. Last decade I've been mostly doing the same thing inside laptops utilizing delay plugins but it's all the same since the trick is so simple and mostly about routing the signal right and being careful with the sweet-spot for feedback. I guess my "freeze audio" point is around 102 or 103 percent, and then I back off a little top or bottom of the feedback loop to make the frozen cloud climb slowly or sink towards a lower frequency range. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen --f46d044468fd91efb104d37b2808 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Antony Hequet <antony.hequet@yahoo.= fr> wrote:
Is the Axe producingbthe delays?

Yes, this is the Axe= Fx's delay blocks. In the clean sound (red Stick) video the more CPU de= manding Tape Delay block, but in the video with the bigger brown Stick I us= ed plain normal digital stereo and pingpon delay blocks in the Axe.=C2=A0
But this is a simple signal routing technique and I've d= one it with all kinds of delay machines and stomp pedals since around 1980.= Last decade I've been mostly doing the same thing inside laptops utili= zing delay plugins but it's all the same since the trick is so simple a= nd mostly about routing the signal right and being careful with the sweet-s= pot for feedback. I guess my "freeze audio" point is around 102 o= r 103 percent, and then I back off a little top or bottom of the feedback l= oop to make the frozen cloud climb slowly or sink towards a lower frequency= range.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.you= tube.com/perboysen
--f46d044468fd91efb104d37b2808-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 16:17:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 094E5183490; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 16:17:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ZwWZTvC/tGbc2L8QyMQpdUlayoW7qexxE+iU/rvSA7w=; b=nSnYOfTpr7k2LbL3PEtQGJ+9dSFD+lmKXpWd8Qa2vWFZZwa4SBA3GQrUyDmevx45qI QS6BQYcQYoQWEpy6rJBh+MSVhp2CSPD8wfl3HUocedzZCZVZ44MVwE9iwRxgZHCr+jJ8 TXHNlU2bwMyA/OtBLhJA13UjouTr1pVMsQzbZdhFF8Zn3p0Pynis/X+jNCMgHeqL/RRp zgIebQvOP8Fx55WTfVOOy8fELot3Fqj0SUdoxmZNkvT3/x35/YJZRFWOSTUAu8HjWB1H eOT+VneK59+4w+v4eCQ56dc4zY9XPvo72nzCy2SNrjma+1uUM1HtrFp0ITf+jKy/vIny Klpg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.1.168 with SMTP id 8mr4334875oen.46.1358439449156; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 08:17:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 10:17:28 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: TC Electronics Ditto looper From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb1f2aad0de9c04d37e5481 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 16:17:29 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8fb1f2aad0de9c04d37e5481 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i had the reissue for awhile, and i will agree, i thought it was ALMOST PERFECT-except for the ability for a distorted signal to go through (charles zwicky had emailed me about this & he had contacted EH about the fix-but instead of fixing it they went w/ the eh 2880). which is sad. i know some people didn't like the sliders, so i always wondered if they could somehow combine the eh16ddl w/ the knob format of the eh smmh to make it simpler. to me-if you want a looper-doesn't it make sense you can record a bit of info (and honestly isn't 16 sec or 30 sec enough?) be able to REVERSE it or SLOW DOWN or SPEED IT UP? i did like the eh smmh, but wish the looper function was more of a delay based model w/in the pedal. i currently have the echolution...which honestly i really like. it acually does all i want it to do....so i guess i'm happy. but yes, STAN i'm w/ you on....i guess that's why we don't make looper pedals...we'd probably be out of business FAST!!!!! s--- >concur< I remember when theEH 16sec.DDL came out-I was so happy-mangle city-up down forward reverse-slo/fast backwards/frontwards statickee/smootheness and all @ 8 bit. no one-not even Nels Cline have tapped into all that is in that pedal. wish they would make a true update w/ higher sample values/bit rates and then leave it alone.stanosaur.com -----Original Message----- From: Scott Hansen Sent: Jan 16, 2013 7:21 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: TC Electronics Ditto looper i suppose bill is right. an inexpensive simpler looper is not such a bad idea i guess for the masses. so when everyone writes: "i'm new to looping, what should i get?" we can answer: get the ditto, it's under 100$, easy to use, has a lot of time and simple. problem solved. i guess for me, as i get on my soap box again-why do we need another device that's just a simple phrase sampler that creates static loops. i thought that the original idea of all this looping when djs started doing it yrs ago was to snatch bits of songs, mangle the sh*t out of them (pitch up/down, slow it down, speed it up, filter it, mangle it w/ effects etc) and make something cool sounding then you do your bit on top of it (rap, sing, play, whatever).. isn't that what the original hardware samplers allowed you to do-MANGLE it! isn't that why those consoles look like spaceships and us guitarists were so afraid of them? are we so afraid of controls? maybe we are. i guess that's why EVH's guitar is the most popular-it had one pickup & one volume knob-pretty hard for us dumb guitarists to mess that up.... ok, i'm off my soapbox now again... long live the tc ditto looper.... --e89a8fb1f2aad0de9c04d37e5481 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i had the rei= ssue for awhile, and i will agree, i thought it was ALMOST PERFECT-ex= cept for the ability for a distorted signal to go through (charles zwicky h= ad emailed me about this & he had contacted EH about the fi= x-but instead of fixing it they went w/ the eh 2880).
which is sad. i know some people didn't like the slid= ers, so i always wondered if they could somehow combine the eh16ddl w= / the knob format of the eh smmh to make it simpler.
to me-if you = want a looper-doesn't it make sense you can record a bit of info = (and honestly isn't 16 sec or 30 sec enough?) be able= to REVERSE it or SLOW DOWN or SPEED IT UP?

i did like the eh smmh, but wish the looper function = was more of a delay based model w/in the pedal.
i currently have t= he echolution...which honestly i really like. it acually does a= ll i want it to do....so i guess i'm happy.
but yes, STAN i'm w/ you on....i guess that's why we do= n't make looper pedals...we'd probably be out of business FAS= T!!!!!
s---
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>concur< I remember when theEH 16sec.DDL came out-I was so happy-mangle city-up=20 down forward reverse-slo/fast backwards/frontwards statickee/smootheness and all @ 8 bit. no one-not even Nels Cline have tapped into all that=20 is in =A0that pedal. wish they would make a true update w/ higher sample=20 values/bit rates and then leave it alone.stanosaur.com<= /a>
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Hansen=20
Sent: Jan 16, 2013 7:21 PM
To:
Loopers-Deli= ght@loopers-delight.com
Subject: TC Electronics Ditto looper

i suppose bill is right. an inexpensive simpler looper is not such = a bad idea i guess for the masses.
so when everyone writes: "i'= m new to looping, what should i get?"
we can answer: get the ditto,= it's under 100$, easy to use, has a lot of time and simple.
problem solved.
i guess for me, as i get on my soap box again-why do=20 we need another device that's just a simple phrase sampler that creates= =20 static loops.
i thought that the original idea of all this looping=20 when djs started doing it yrs ago was to snatch bits of songs, mangle=20 the sh*t out of them (pitch up/down,
slow it down, speed it up, filter it, mangle it w/ effects etc) and make something cool sounding then you do your bit on top of it (rap, sing,=20 play, whatever)..
isn't that what the original hardware samplers=20 allowed you to do-MANGLE it! isn't that why those consoles look like=20 spaceships and us guitarists
were so afraid of them? are we so afraid of controls? maybe we are. i=20 guess that's why EVH's guitar is the most popular-it had one pickup= =20 & one volume
knob-pretty hard for us dumb guitarists to mess that up= ....
ok, i'm off my soapbox now again...
long live the tc ditto looper...= .
--e89a8fb1f2aad0de9c04d37e5481-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 16:54:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EA3E183492; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 16:54:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <1888FD45-1109-40F9-A19C-716A95E5BE46@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: LP-2 questions Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 08:54:46 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 16:54:55 +0000 (UTC) > > I'm hoping some of you are more in the know by now, I'm still not > sure how to use many of the functions. The 3 page sheet that comes > with is bare bones . Hopefully at some point there will be a real > manual, or do a fully instructional video to do it justice. In the > meantime, I have just a few questions for those more attuned to it's > features and quirks than I (and thanks in advance): > > 1 )I love the multiple layers of undo while in play, is there any > way to undo the undo--add back the layers one at a time, until > you're back to the original fully overdubbed loop? Like peeling an > onion and then re-assembling it? there is no redo function the decision was made to have more layers of undo for loop deconstruction which i agree with, you can always re record your last part but no other pedal can peal the loops back to square like the LP-2 > > 2) Once you've recorded a loop and it's playing, to record another > loop do you have to go into configuration mode and shift to another > slot to record the next loop--or is their an easier way with less > button pressing? while in play mode with loop running, a long press on record gets you in to configuration mode (the row of LEDs blinking on and off) then short press the play stop button which will then allows you to scroll through the 8 loop locations using the effects buttons. Only one loop can be played at a time > > 3) Are loops automatically saved to the card, even after powering > down and back up again? If not, is there any way to save them to the > card short of not turning it off? Yes save is automatic, what you wrote at a location will stay there until overwritten, if you want to save and archive a bunch of loops I suggest getting a CF reader and downloading to computer or buy extra cf cards. > > 4) I seem to pick up a lot of clicking from the rapid button > presses when I do lots of reverse and 1/4 speed overdubs on a track-- > anyone else hearing this? Also happens during the mutiple levels of > replace. it may be that feedback is not set at 100% , do you have an expression pedal plugged in to the feedback port?if so it should be in the toe down position when doing these kinds of commands . I leave my expression pedal at toe down unless I'm using it to fade content away I noticed some clicks when the pedal was toward the heel down position when doing a bunch of quantizing and this solved that issue. > > It is is a very cool box, just trying to figure it out. I like some > things I did, but I'm not sure how to repeat them... > > thanks, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 17:49:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6E96183492; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 17:49:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=801BM/N4Uf+/j0gqWqqGpDVGR8GvFiWbvyZu4Ehwukc=; b=sLiySLcYPJc81VTkfYMa+R8jBiQgSup4lp4peVo9u+sqIO0L9eghDRkjqWTwqhCD4O C3OPe1zf5yO7lLE0h0oimNm0orG9flJyuSb54hNf7zHs3YMg9+f4o23wa/4Wwf95sEzS 2xfL/F+RFn7SLJkbVa9txXSC3ClwagL9a0dqHsS9x85F0wyKidH0sCFEaY0/40GJJUBp BMwMrAxHyvXJdMiBG6vcsLDX7fUof+Mj5UFG7SAb4p3A0Mju9/hLbTwNH9tBk0ZQNJMT UwfAYSMYFENcYVY/cBPr6q5nrP9aF925OrPbMMKSSVCdXO4H3Q8I32LLiVxpt1CUsp// I6Qw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.127.240 with SMTP id nj16mr7301300qeb.13.1358444996195; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 09:49:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50F7E333.6040000@cruzio.com> References: <50F7E333.6040000@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 12:49:56 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: LP-2 ADVANCED FUNCTIONS EXPLAINED part one From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6d962471f69404d37f9f9a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 17:49:56 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b6d962471f69404d37f9f9a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 *>> REMOVING the SD CARD and USING a COMPUTER to EDIT IT and RETURN IT TO THE LP-2* Haven't tried it yet, but the manual says we can't do that... is it something that was added with the updated hardware? Sylvain --047d7b6d962471f69404d37f9f9a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>> REMOVING the S= D CARD and USING a COMPUTER to EDIT IT and RETURN IT TO THE LP-2

Haven't tried i= t yet, but the manual says we can't do that... =A0is it something that = was added with the updated hardware?
Sylvain
--047d7b6d962471f69404d37f9f9a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 18:20:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7971183492; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 18:20:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=UdcJx1b83RJBs6f35MyFDmoki7AMNnr0UEnReUonU4A=; b=cYgieIVETuFutxbi+gW5Z7AlAYAKK7y9zadTqamt/K4riRUcgFev9drTuBYAC8t3r0 ZWnASluV0unHOvW8yif8seRe93LqX9SO/ZHUj9xHEaWojahA4/4avCK0h/TUuCkABz/s lHnkpBsc5bUZx4cpmg9LN+9IAdsfnv076tjckB3YDTWjSgKYPR4fWeiJQEZ+iJGssdcP sxh2IXkFHHaM4uPoPdatDgn6o2/eXLkNdRdZX9lrMk9AuJcMbtsGk6hJYeq9fotEHr5K 4zMGVffg5ipg3br+VaQS3pH+XHKjlgEP46JIzZWB7NnFy3KILxkJSLCGL0dOSoLfQKCQ z9/A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.8.73 with SMTP id p9mr4640440oba.88.1358446802918; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 10:20:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 10:20:02 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Very Odd and OT VG-8 Question From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <9cY-G.A.EiH.TDE-QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 18:20:03 +0000 (UTC) Okay, maybe the question isn't that odd but its definitely off topic. I'm running a midi guitar to a Roland US 20 Midi selector going to a VG8 and an Axon 100. The issue is that the VG8 produces a very low volume high pitched feedback when I use this connector and I'm not sure why. The Axon doesn't have this trouble and the VG 8 is fine when the guitar runs directly. Also, it doesn't matter which plug I use (A or B), the VG8 still gets that ring-y feedback going. The sound itself is like there is some small bit of a signal getting caught in a feedback loop, its quiet but noisy when I'm not playing. Just curious if any of the guitar synth players or other geniuses here might have a clue about this as I'm stumped. Thanks, Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 18:32:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0C2C183490; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 18:32:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=ztkxsTqhetejFQ5Q4Ani5K775eAhedrl0mEXD6/k3p0=; b=WB46PNlkIwYXrwjxOUakKEV9ZA44VW0gZgsYTzbyh28qOCCDqmqsIfquh1LmcR6AKl esztJ1bALqDQh9Gp92I0UxiOUh953J+Lf349/tEoIp/Z+gknf9B8RDLjZ8SNp0t4PPRL o9rSOfutSUZw3wYLU6pkPQK7EdpL8q1yY9eFMk+/djaYKYN0sFxnVM3gj/va3gSKtax5 8u3DvMuch4JxAtZa9fY9Lh4ODr6UTYqjVZdGWhaB4pAAXF0W0q9XNd4feTGfDMoxU4AB f+K/3WnYRBn6r3TjXBFC6kqYrpPVxzOskzXuvS7ciDctFipocqLbz6ULaPSxhcfMm8vR Q9uQ== X-Received: by 10.194.108.101 with SMTP id hj5mr10254291wjb.6.1358447524809; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 10:32:04 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Subject: Re: Very Odd and OT VG-8 Question From: Simeon Harris In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 18:32:01 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9C2D1FFE-2CD0-476D-9D12-E12E8666657D@googlemail.com> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Resent-Message-ID: <7WbqbC.A.5sH.lOE-QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 18:32:05 +0000 (UTC) my old vg-8 used to produce some noise when the mag outs weren't = connected to the gk. i solved it by unsoldering pin 7 which normally = carries the mag signal. the gk lead isn't shielded very well and if the = mag line isn't connected, then it's just acting like a big long antenna. On 17 Jan 2013, at 18:20, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Okay, maybe the question isn't that odd but its definitely off topic. >=20 > I'm running a midi guitar to a Roland US 20 Midi selector going to a > VG8 and an Axon 100. The issue is that the VG8 produces a very low > volume high pitched feedback when I use this connector and I'm not > sure why. The Axon doesn't have this trouble and the VG 8 is fine > when the guitar runs directly. Also, it doesn't matter which plug I > use (A or B), the VG8 still gets that ring-y feedback going. The > sound itself is like there is some small bit of a signal getting > caught in a feedback loop, its quiet but noisy when I'm not playing. >=20 > Just curious if any of the guitar synth players or other geniuses here > might have a clue about this as I'm stumped. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Kevin >=20 > --=20 > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have = a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all = trouble. >=20 > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 18:41:26 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB6E018348C; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 18:41:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=F0SeOMcKcUA8EyJeBzHpciWMkBJ40oCDN1NR2ss5q4U=; b=OpK37bArgSYkDSaFHBf522b41yycsTEMf2ylvvb0RhxoS0+7iFHkfFeAh3rDHZvCtM bei4b6QV/zPL8addNxIuE3S+CTBlKnCDEjPm+xqU3OaxJM5WgDi2MaKvcQdCR2F3NvQQ kya03TgDRXpBBch5AzHEaZChx8sDtFH+KshYr4skJyRbUJMrK8O3FEaXBJ27UNcPrHVX dIjtbyuz/kWtU/pktQEr3lJ9MfnKGltjpZQKWT41zgSid+zVTb/3I+yoRk1RpswdrZxl kzqd1gvtzbJGGH+woHwmiU4M3jaRrwvFH3mR6L/Zv3+/XkCH+8kBFhZ8Feqfyjix8zvq slVw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.172.229 with SMTP id bf5mr4667980oec.81.1358448086291; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 10:41:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9C2D1FFE-2CD0-476D-9D12-E12E8666657D@googlemail.com> References: <9C2D1FFE-2CD0-476D-9D12-E12E8666657D@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 13:41:26 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Very Odd and OT VG-8 Question From: Tony K To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 18:41:26 +0000 (UTC) I've had some weird problems with the US20 if all the devices hooked up aren't turned on. On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: > my old vg-8 used to produce some noise when the mag outs weren't connecte= d to the gk. i solved it by unsoldering pin 7 which normally carries the ma= g signal. the gk lead isn't shielded very well and if the mag line isn't co= nnected, then it's just acting like a big long antenna. > > On 17 Jan 2013, at 18:20, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > >> Okay, maybe the question isn't that odd but its definitely off topic. >> >> I'm running a midi guitar to a Roland US 20 Midi selector going to a >> VG8 and an Axon 100. The issue is that the VG8 produces a very low >> volume high pitched feedback when I use this connector and I'm not >> sure why. The Axon doesn't have this trouble and the VG 8 is fine >> when the guitar runs directly. Also, it doesn't matter which plug I >> use (A or B), the VG8 still gets that ring-y feedback going. The >> sound itself is like there is some small bit of a signal getting >> caught in a feedback loop, its quiet but noisy when I'm not playing. >> >> Just curious if any of the guitar synth players or other geniuses here >> might have a clue about this as I'm stumped. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Kevin >> >> -- >> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a >> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all troubl= e. >> >> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >> > --=20 -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D- Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 22:20:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E60B7183490; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 22:20:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com x-originating-ip: 208.109.97.160 Message-ID: <50F87943.2010107@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 17:20:51 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 22:20:55 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EST/GMT-5 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Mystified. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 23:53:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BB80183491; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 23:53:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to :to:references:message-id:x-mailer:x-gm-message-state; bh=Pcqgy2mhfUedmHhIEMNdFhzp0TrNF5/sv6G+pQBcpM0=; b=OkWpe+wP3xHYu7ww5xk2F0erjqf004NQ2dhEhUR38mL9KDzxLYX+GdrvOWxHsUSIPj l261icM1vX4By0E62/Nyh8VS8i5puyaNAw8C9zRb9X817btFDrKmR4BhhXFqx+KpnJuh hVYMXwZC4wLXUP1h1Kd4H7jjGkmCrATQ/4fpndQq0tOfAzIfThwnHhR/PGJcTSaajBYV S030jm/GaEeNTg4wJGAYt5EMsKqRXUfpuOylkJ4A0m7FGEom+zvNmGwsDm2OLocaWQjp D48fgNDBu/icwaPrZDDFVtRZg1Nw7hW4FUWcvxzf9HHJNVuMEto7SE+vrYAXM0FxOXaZ B4qw== X-Received: by 10.224.106.196 with SMTP id y4mr7473403qao.42.1358466838723; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:53:58 -0800 (PST) From: "teddyjam.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-55031175 Subject: Re: LP-2 ADVANCED FUNCTIONS EXPLAINED part one Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 18:53:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: <50F7E333.6040000@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <50F7E333.6040000@cruzio.com> Message-Id: <4EECCBFB-334E-4C08-89CA-71B422153C40@teddyjam.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlbLbrZFqaMPieWcTg6Lz0tEVUWpeP5fki/KwGJXrWaQ9LnEKaml77YjCdkrdyiwwh4DSmj Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 23:53:59 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6-55031175 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii nice, can't wait for the other parts! Looks great so far... Teddy On Jan 17, 2013, at 6:40 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > LOOPERLATIVE LP-2 Mini Looper ADVANCED FUNCTIONS explained --Apple-Mail-6-55031175 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii nice, = can't wait for the other parts! Looks great so far...

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= --Apple-Mail-6-55031175-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 18 14:07:40 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A98D183493; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 14:07:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 301 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 14:07:39 UTC X-Authenticated: #113868007 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19/RkV0CwN//hcBNxYix++e3XdOZLynlfmMqVHBv8 HTj5Ry+F5Mn8YG From: Christoph Lehmann Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5EC21357-3850-4A18-A19F-4F02DD26904B" Subject: Re: LP2 to Germany Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 15:02:35 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1353688925.14795.YahooMailNeo@web132202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <1353676271.2004.YahooMailNeo@web132206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1353688925.14795.YahooMailNeo@web132202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <6D749895-96D2-4644-9B11-C6AD6D4CB952@gmx.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <7SFrtC.A.AsH.rcV-QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 14:07:40 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_5EC21357-3850-4A18-A19F-4F02DD26904B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Anyone still wants to place a bulk order? According to Bob, we could get a slight discount, if we do. Chris Am 23.11.2012 um 17:42 schrieb Antony Hequet: > I would be curious, I am at the Funkhaus in Nalepastrasse. Have a = studio there; would you like to come over some time? >=20 > De : Pawel Janowski > =C0 : "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" = =20 > Envoy=E9 le : Vendredi 23 novembre 2012 16h23 > Objet : Re: LP2 to Germany >=20 > I am probably one of the few people in Germany with one, so if any of = you would like to try one in Berlin, let me know. >=20 > Pawel >=20 >=20 > On 23 November 2012 15:47, Sergio Girardi = wrote: > might too > not much money now but I will need a battery operated looper in the = future and if I can get this for a price I can pay, deal. Or I will have = to sadly go for the Vox 2 loops one... > Let me know. >=20 > Sergio > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 13:11:11 +0000 > From: antony.hequet@yahoo.fr > Subject: Re: LP2 to Germany > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 >=20 > might do >=20 > De : jrploopers > =C0 : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 > Envoy=E9 le : Vendredi 23 novembre 2012 13h38 > Objet : LP2 to Germany >=20 > I=B4d like to buy a Looperlative LP2 myself and wonder, if it makes = sense to place a bulk order to Germany in case anyone else on this list = living here wants one, too.=20 > ? >=20 > jayrope > --- > kliklak.net > aircushionfinish.com > prinzenallee.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_5EC21357-3850-4A18-A19F-4F02DD26904B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
I = would be curious, I am at the Funkhaus in Nalepastrasse. Have a studio = there; would you like to come over some = time?

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De : Pawel Janowski <pjanowski@gmail.com>
= =C0 : "Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com>
Envoy=E9 = le : Vendredi 23 novembre 2012 16h23
Objet : Re: LP2 to Germany

I am probably one of the few people in Germany with = one, so if any of you would like to try one in Berlin, let me = know.

Pawel


On 23 November 2012 15:47, Sergio = Girardi <simpliflying@gmail.com> wrote:
might too
not much money now but I will need a battery operated = looper in the future and if I can get this for a price I can pay, deal. = Or I will have to sadly go for the Vox 2 loops one...
Let me = know.

Sergio

Date: Fri, 23 Nov = 2012 13:11:11 +0000
From: antony.hequet@yahoo.fr
Subje= ct: Re: LP2 to Germany
To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com



De : jrploopers <jrploopers@kliklak.net>
= =C0 : Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
Envoy=E9 le : Vendredi = 23 novembre 2012 13h38
Objet : LP2 to Germany
=

I=B4d like to buy a Looperlative LP2 myself and = wonder, if it makes sense to place a bulk order to Germany in case = anyone else on this list living here wants one, too.
?

jayrope
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kliklak.net
aircushionfinish.com
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= --Apple-Mail=_5EC21357-3850-4A18-A19F-4F02DD26904B-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 17:05:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 524A9183493; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:05:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 501 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:05:30 UTC Message-ID: <50FC21E0.20100@theambientping.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 11:57:04 -0500 From: PiNG Reply-To: ping@theambientping.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , Dark Seeds , Drone Deep Chill , Loopers Delight , The Ambient Way Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?01=2E22=2E13_=3E_The_PiNG_presents_dr?= =?windows-1252?Q?eamSTATE=2C_Steven_Sauv=E9=2C_Wally_Jericho=2C_?= =?windows-1252?Q?Cheryl_O=2C_Stuart_Clark=2C_James_Bailey=2C_?= =?windows-1252?Q?scant_intone_+_General_Chaos_Visuals_+_Ly?= =?windows-1252?Q?nn_Harrigan?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020201.50FC21E4.0069,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:05:30 +0000 (UTC) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 01.22.13 . THE AMBiENT PiNG presents THE dreamSTATE DRONE CYCLE . CODA . (C) a 3 hour drone featuring dreamSTATE, STEVEN SAUVÉ, WALLY JERICHO, CHERYL O, STUART CLARK, JAMES BAILEY & scant intone + projections by GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS + LYNN HARRIGAN - Scenes from the Drone Cycle 2012 @ Supermarket . 268 Augusta Ave . Kensington Market just south of College . Map, info and directions at: http://www.supermarkettoronto.com/site/section/contact Tues. Jan. 22nd . Doors open and Drone starts at 8:00 . $6 Thanks to Jeff Howard, we'll have the PiNG LiVE STREAM flowing again at 8:00PM on Tuesday January 22nd for those of you who can't make it live and in person. http://www.livestream.com/theambientping . 8:00 . dreamSTATE, STEVEN SAUVÉ (Geek Weekend), WALLY JERICHO, CHERYL O (quasiMODAL), STUART CLARK, JAMES BAILEY and scant intone . Rather than leave everyone hanging again for another 12 years, dreamSTATE decided to bring the drone back home to C for the January PiNG with a good old fashioned 3 hour drone with the PiNG community. This CODA to the DRONE CYCLE will include droners from the first Cycle in 2000 plus one from the 2012 Cycle and a new artist to the PiNG. dreamSTATE starts the drone at 8:00pm and then passes on the drone baton to their special guest droners: Steven Sauvé (Geek Weekend) on electronics, Wally Jericho on trumpet, cheryl o (quasiMODAL) on cello, Stuart Clark on electronics, James Bailey (NOiNO/Odradek) on anythingatall, and scant intone on electronics. General Chaos Visuals on general chaos and visuals. In the grand tradition of our Back to School Drones this Start The Year Off Right Drone will have 4 drone stations set up on stage for each guest to plug into so that as one joins the drone another leaves the drone. Each droner will play for about 40 minutes and there will always be at least two artists keeping the drone evolving for 3 hours. 3 Hour Continuous Drone Schedule: 8:00 - 8:40 . dreamSTATE (Scott M2 & Jamie Todd) 8:40 - 9:00 . Scott M2 & Steven Sauvé 9:00 - 9:20 . Steven Sauvé & Wally Jericho 9:20 - 9:40 . Wally Jericho & Cheryl O 9:40 - 10:00 . Cheryl O & Stuart Clark 10:00 - 10:20 . Stuart Clark & James Bailey 10:20 - 10:40 . James Bailey & scant intone 10:40 - 11:00 . scant intone & Jamie Todd . GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS . Course it wouldn't be a proper drone without a visual component to mesmerize on so we'll have Stephen and Eric providing some good old mind bending GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS for you to gaze upon. . Lynn Harrigan - Scenes from the Drone Cycle 2012 . As part of The Drone Cycle 2012 Coda, the PiNG and Supermarket are proud to present fiber-artist Lynn Harrigan's now-completed series "Scenes from the Drone Cycle 2012". Lynn observed how each Drone Cycle guest brought their personal identity to the soundweave and wanted to celebrate and visually document the entire series. She employed mixed-media techniques blending artistic practises ancient and ultra-modern. The analogue light projections of General Chaos Visuals were captured with digital photography and printed on traditional ecclesiastical Irish linen. Digital images of the musicians were selected to represent each concert and the heart of each image was then drawn onto the linen and hand-stitched with single-strand DMC cotton floss. The complete series will be exhibited at Supermarket from Saturday January 19th through 27th and will be available for viewing at this week's PiNG, just outside the performance-space entrance. Supermarket opens at 5:30pm for dinner Tuesday to Friday and at noon on weekends. http://www.lynnharrigan.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . COMiNG SOON: . More PiNGs starting sometime in March . Stay tuned, we'll post who and when soon to the usual PiNG Channels. @ Supermarket . 268 Augusta Ave . Kensington Market just south of College . Map, info and directions at: http://www.supermarkettoronto.com/site/section/contact . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ---> FREE MP3 --- DRONE'S END <--- For those of you not on the dreamSTATE list, here's a new free mp3 release "Drone's End" from the "finale" of the final concert in the 2012 Drone Cycle. That's Beau Lukes (Sorcerer) on the ancient drone instrument, the didgeridoo. Hear it here: http://www.dreamstate.to/audio/drones_end.mp3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Ambient CDs and DVDs are available at the ping things table during Tuesday's show and online at: http://www.pingthings.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a Toronto based creative community of audio artists, performers, musicians and visual artists. The PiNG presents live multimedia performances featuring ambient, electronic, soundscape, space, drone, psychedelic, chillout, downtempo, darkwave and experimental artists from around the world. http://www.theambientping.com The PiNG also has a Twitter account to send you advance updates and reminders of the when & where of future PiNG events. Just search for ambientping to find us. http://twitter.com We're also on facebook too, again just search THE AMBiENT PiNG. http://www.facebook.com ViSiT the ping things store for ambient, electronic and chill things: http://www.pingthings.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any interested friends or appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 09:34:21 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9E14183497; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 09:34:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: fading memories Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:34:16 +0100 Message-ID: <002601cdf7ba$7ba1ee40$72e5cac0$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01CDF7C2.DD665640" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac33untNCzh+o4cQR8qCFvb8XUFAzA== Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 09:34:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01CDF7C2.DD665640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://veloopity.bandcamp.com/album/fading-memories a new album of guitar/ambient/fieldrecording dreamscapes. 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http://veloo= pity.bandcamp.com/album/fading-memories

 

a new album of = guitar/ambient/fieldrecording dreamscapes. = Enjoy!

 

-Michael = Peters

 

------=_NextPart_000_0027_01CDF7C2.DD665640-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 18:54:52 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89E41183496; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 18:54:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=yogDbNd3Ds8DHcqqKBDOjkOdhCew/3GUSskJKi9AMDQ=; b=03Dh3Xh+KIBEg8ioPNBxeand+z8YPRPXRYZmaF4jLNMVeYbqTJSqmI+VOBqo6Ngtde nKENRPfSj90vz/O2NYSklCfO19QFwj+YDEIwP7cPKTL0TXPCanGsdUXqkwuqRReFX3U6 GT8YCYoALGkjbNa8ie5EmyJeJ6OlDWFynmVsPXG574BMlONCJAwNHOLJTziHKBzKbklA APvh+5F5RT5vVVSlNSnTQbb4tkx3kg1zRoSjsKjf55FqSVIAVbtnAS3pFrQg48a6lZ+n Uvu50YTz6KPAspOSDdeM+nePRxVh+ETCHY5jTMX7Bx7eJ48/BjXXVrlVmPo2R4aKJlIU VJGg== X-Received: by 10.152.147.36 with SMTP id th4mr3353197lab.19.1358794490810; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:54:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <002601cdf7ba$7ba1ee40$72e5cac0$@de> References: <002601cdf7ba$7ba1ee40$72e5cac0$@de> From: Steven Clements Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:54:10 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: fading memories To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f22c381f291b504d3d0fe09 Resent-Message-ID: <70BbFD.A.sx.87Y_QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 18:54:52 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f22c381f291b504d3d0fe09 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 very cool On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 2:34 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > http://veloopity.bandcamp.com/album/fading-memories**** > > ** ** > > a new album of guitar/ambient/fieldrecording dreamscapes. Enjoy!**** > > ** ** > > -Michael Peters**** > > ** ** > --e89a8f22c381f291b504d3d0fe09 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable very cool

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--e89a8f22c381f291b504d3d0fe09-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 19:27:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 045B7183495; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:27:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 830880540/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.27.145/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.27.145 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnoDAB+W/VBYbRuR/2dsb2JhbAANN70kAQMBA4EWg1BAPRYYAwIBAgFhAbFjkj2OEIMpA5tkjWY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,509,1355097600"; d="scan'208";a="830880540" Message-ID: <50FD96AF.1020904@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:27:43 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: TC-Ditto fatal flaw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:27:49 +0000 (UTC) We already had some analysis of the button presses of the TC-Ditto, with it impressive functionality from a simple package. Here's something we missed. Once you've recorded a loop and stopped it you have 2 choices 1) Longpress to Erase 2) Shortpress to Play Which means that the Play function won't start till the switch is released. Far from ideal if accurate timing is needed. Do TC think guitarists have such poor rhythmic ability that they won't notice ;-) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 21:42:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 076B3183492; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 21:42:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=JVIUyJJH6aP4mk1MvzI8O/tNROo5/oG7CzC7mPak8BXZhLuSIrnE0xjZdGJSLeEa; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <50FD96AF.1020904@tiscali.co.uk> References: <50FD96AF.1020904@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:33:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: TC-Ditto fatal flaw Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec790432a4209059d080010853ae3f18dd38350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 21:42:37 +0000 (UTC) FYI: All iOS devices respond to "button" release rather than press.. just imagine you're filming in reverse...! At 7:27 PM +0000 1/21/13, andy butler wrote: >We already had some analysis of the button presses of the TC-Ditto, >with it impressive functionality from a simple package. > >Here's something we missed. > >Once you've recorded a loop and stopped it you have 2 choices >1) Longpress to Erase >2) Shortpress to Play > >Which means that the Play function won't start till the switch is released. > >Far from ideal if accurate timing is needed. > >Do TC think guitarists have such poor rhythmic ability that they >won't notice ;-) > >andy -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 22:09:54 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04FA6183492; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:09:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 564 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:09:53 UTC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: TC-Ditto fatal flaw From: Z In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 23:00:26 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <50FD96AF.1020904@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:09:53 +0000 (UTC) FYI: Well, not really, it depends on how the app was designed on your = iOS device. Or did I not get your message right? ;) Z http://zzz.ch http://loopr.net On 21 janv. 2013, at 22:33, Charles Zwicky = wrote: > FYI: All iOS devices respond to "button" release rather than press..=20= > just imagine you're filming in reverse...! >=20 > At 7:27 PM +0000 1/21/13, andy butler wrote: >> We already had some analysis of the button presses of the TC-Ditto, >> with it impressive functionality from a simple package. >>=20 >> Here's something we missed. >>=20 >> Once you've recorded a loop and stopped it you have 2 choices >> 1) Longpress to Erase >> 2) Shortpress to Play >>=20 >> Which means that the Play function won't start till the switch is = released. >>=20 >> Far from ideal if accurate timing is needed. >>=20 >> Do TC think guitarists have such poor rhythmic ability that they=20 >> won't notice ;-) >>=20 >> andy >=20 >=20 > --=20 >=20 > ... > http://www.zmix.net >=20 > http://albumcredits.com/zmix >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 22:13:34 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 002DB183490; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:13:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=p6nfRZIuEq6q44WIZ1j0xQkEQOllHKiCHR4jqJLyDFU=; b=JxQmHRaiAC1Q7HVXsVPYIG6nbFcHmfPdHX8muz/RR6QwGr53vx/HUdvYSVb8SSgOSY NyIoLw+9mp1ML4KAgttdknbxCYFcE2DSEUFzncqASqXbub4INe249CVLsZWTt15Vj9eP /ruJyY1f7vKEv0ahBcIsJwlLbjw/DB17HG6RsY/ED6f+dWuh6/Q3fy24jEheg1jG0r7d KDWyDIhX2ZonWOzOq/P73KHSYySYbdnV7MVHCa9zeLTYK1WV3Ba41XVt9BXwmdW7c7e6 sbZoBF3G8CQ3Jumjk59/DqRkqYLKysxi5Ka2YY960IBCLsiIKCM1KiolVjUW6BFb34Fm +q9w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.118.162 with SMTP id kn2mr23638513qeb.65.1358806413446; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:13:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <50FD96AF.1020904@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:13:33 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TC-Ditto fatal flaw From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6d98c6978d3604d3d3c5a1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:13:33 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b6d98c6978d3604d3d3c5a1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 That's not right, the developer can code for press of release. Sylvain On Monday, January 21, 2013, Charles Zwicky wrote: > FYI: All iOS devices respond to "button" release rather than press.. just > imagine you're filming in reverse...! > > At 7:27 PM +0000 1/21/13, andy butler wrote: > >> We already had some analysis of the button presses of the TC-Ditto, >> with it impressive functionality from a simple package. >> >> Here's something we missed. >> >> Once you've recorded a loop and stopped it you have 2 choices >> 1) Longpress to Erase >> 2) Shortpress to Play >> >> Which means that the Play function won't start till the switch is >> released. >> >> Far from ideal if accurate timing is needed. >> >> Do TC think guitarists have such poor rhythmic ability that they won't >> notice ;-) >> >> andy >> > > > -- > > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > http://albumcredits.com/zmix > > --047d7b6d98c6978d3604d3d3c5a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's not right, the developer can code for press of release.

=
Sylvain

On Monday, January 21, 2013, Charles= Zwicky wrote:
FYI: All iOS devices respond to "button" release rather than pres= s.. just imagine you're filming in reverse...!

At 7:27 PM +0000 1/21/13, andy butler wrote:
We already had some analysis of the button presses of the TC-Ditto,
with it impressive functionality from a simple package.

Here's something we missed.

Once you've recorded a loop and stopped it you have 2 choices
1) Longpress to Erase
2) Shortpress to Play

Which means that the Play function won't start till the switch is relea= sed.

Far from ideal if accurate timing is needed.

Do TC think guitarists have such poor rhythmic ability that they won't = notice ;-)

andy


--

...
http://www.zmix.net
http://albumcred= its.com/zmix

--047d7b6d98c6978d3604d3d3c5a1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 02:50:45 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF507183494; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 02:50:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4k1mCys/CzlPHo+F7NPOc344gKI+QU9iD64ZVgfkbUs=; b=I/Fda/9shjhe8oCS4ubUnHJH9hnkcvWKf0dVtuhrXcn/nvjfnMK0MoZgT1D9FJjJgA 3/Qdi37ym8YsP9jSm6ShbP1UeuHplU0yYfVOgb6geVL+30knWVi9lzHiWvT4KoI6CkY8 79W8FZTroXm/0nwopUKqg3kO6VbNfH9VyApuh9ZrXazbPtYBqzImGCrKRmKY+6kTWlfX J1L/Eem4u32yRV18yjEAn2DSlct85GA3IYYMEhD8BESAQBDZUDjtIwkXW9V+B2DdT+bM UC26hrb7+Ysn8qeTnadBhDIzTGiUFEU2dmcXku9F6em+zVkw+OdEAXxV374XQXG2jZwR wn8A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.169.105 with SMTP id ad9mr15334643oec.99.1358823044851; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 18:50:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 20:50:44 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Boss Tera Delay (new, slight OT) From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54c4e7ce6a99604d3d7a488 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 02:50:45 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec54c4e7ce6a99604d3d7a488 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 wasn't sure if you saw this, not a looper per say, but an ambient delay pedal from boss, just announced at NAMM: http://rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=te-2 there's a couple of good vids on it already on youtube.... to me it sounds like the boss space echo pedal w/ some extra sounds in small format. supposedly has a "freeze" option...which i haven't heard too well in the vids. i thought it might be boss' version of the EH freeze w/ some extra delay features....but i don't think so. some have said it's more of an ambient processor pedal...a post rock pedal (no idea what that term really means!) discuss.... s--- --bcaec54c4e7ce6a99604d3d7a488 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 wasn't sure if you saw this, not a looper per say, but an ambient delay pedal from boss, just announced at NAMM:

http://rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=te-2

there's a couple of good vids on it already on youtube....
to me it sounds like the boss space echo pedal w/ some extra sounds in small format.
supposedly has a "freeze" option...which i haven't heard too well in the vids.
i thought it might be boss' version of the EH freeze w/ some extra delay features....but i don't think so.
some have said it's more of an ambient processor pedal...a post rock pedal (no idea what that term really means!)
discuss....
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--bcaec54c4e7ce6a99604d3d7a488-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 03:35:21 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72006183495; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 03:35:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=EBKgpPZqMGZKsP2HUXC4LbDOpKcAs9j8Pp9fJoAbWTI=; b=f85irqlbZXdUtj5WJaKnnoqeUZ5vWhxL5zbWx/xBHlJQkDN2AC/TBGyUfcELNSPFd6 j3UedmWlE5OiL/XY/VB0S1uanWbugLF2i1YxS6Fzlk0hL90fY1z83ntSRYq+fWOIrRx+ tkyRWcTqZVnHozID4HEEK9e/BcyZ3j4NzAgXXMPE0NPV9+WAPwhXfK/I4hTvJ62ji8zh ej+1D6WIekW78DdDxubv6tLhLNdvm66DPki6akZxOhVvJF0VmQSDTLnHSKwm8MqrHLOq 7iG0Q888hlmN+6QoItUUYBshKkY68mJtKt1EuMLet1trUjwyZHbydWz+YqHRlkAgYeoP KvIQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.203.28 with SMTP id fg28mr1347909qcb.103.1358825720885; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:35:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:35:20 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Boss Tera Delay (new, slight OT) From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0050450166f567b03e04d3d84415 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 03:35:21 +0000 (UTC) --0050450166f567b03e04d3d84415 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Looks very interesting but the video leaves a lot to be desired. I wish the guy talking would have shut up! I can only find the one vid. It says that it "dramatically enhancing the straight guitar tone without overwhelming it." Does this mean it won't go to 100% wet if I want it to? We now have a Guitar Center in my little burg, maybe I'll go and check it out. Thanks for the heads up Scott! Jeff On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Scott Hansen wrote: > wasn't sure if you saw this, not a looper per say, but an ambient delay > pedal from boss, just announced at NAMM: > > http://rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=te-2 > > there's a couple of good vids on it already on youtube.... > to me it sounds like the boss space echo pedal w/ some extra sounds in > small format. > supposedly has a "freeze" option...which i haven't heard too well in the > vids. > i thought it might be boss' version of the EH freeze w/ some extra delay > features....but i don't think so. > some have said it's more of an ambient processor pedal...a post rock pedal > (no idea what that term really means!) > discuss.... > s--- > > > --0050450166f567b03e04d3d84415 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looks very interesting but the video leaves a lot to be desired. I wish the= guy talking would have shut up! I can only find the one vid. It says that = it "dramatically enhancing the straight guitar tone without overwhelmi= ng it." Does this mean it won't go to 100% wet if I want it to? We= now have a Guitar Center in my little burg, maybe I'll go and check it= out. Thanks for the heads up Scott!

Jeff

On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:50 PM,= Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:
wasn't sure if you saw this, not a looper per say, but an ambient delay= pedal from boss, just announced at NAMM:

http://rolandconnect.com/= product.php?p=3Dte-2

there's a couple of good vids on it already on youtube....
to me= it sounds like the boss space echo pedal w/ some extra sounds in small for= mat.
supposedly has a "freeze" option...which i haven't he= ard too well in the vids.
i thought it might be boss' version of the EH freeze w/ some extra dela= y features....but i don't think so.
some have said it's more of = an ambient processor pedal...a post rock pedal (no idea what that term real= ly means!)
discuss....
s---

<= br>

--0050450166f567b03e04d3d84415-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 03:37:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA094183495; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 03:37:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=McMCq8vWwvORYQatWRyl3//ISaR6Ll2OG5nW51XsrUM=; b=tiqLg+H3SZIfQuyhfaOGaqAdb7yx3FyUFmTn2vz8eiexcnfgAucifwteB1KAIEWvPj IhsUtbm+Cz8rTWUvpWg4Y6JtR6IhdC1w2smYRpzGeDqbBrGVFyeyhWWbPxoTfmCJG6Kn +fpLbUty8FGp1kYjoDgXglV34I5sfDWWqfvkjp39Mai2KQI0+Ma+B1Vzh93r5pifT6MR 9RY3Za5eLScb/drgtOuwGgfGV1cp8dFi8lfq6XMRWmE+VqZSjlMPBgCcMTzvQBwXyuzb upTDM7MeDXDZ7eR5npv7O0c6PbhkifoUPByiqBMhSpsFN6qOxguXGTfm2aDseZZttPkz RqrQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.72.136 with SMTP id d8mr24954226qev.62.1358825858195; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:37:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:37:38 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Boss Tera Delay (new, slight OT) From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6d996496df7704d3d84c66 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 03:37:38 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b6d996496df7704d3d84c66 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I found more videos :) J On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Scott Hansen wrote: > ambient processor pedal...a post rock pedal (no idea what that term really > means!) > discuss.... > --047d7b6d996496df7704d3d84c66 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I found more videos :)

J


On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:
ambient processor pedal...a post rock pedal (no idea what that term really means!)
discuss....


--047d7b6d996496df7704d3d84c66-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 10:11:08 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A1DA183499; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-EIP: [nAM/mgwcdwMHqO7ncsH4R0ngqCjeVep0] X-Originating-Email: [satyam.shivam.sundaram@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_efc8cca2-2727-461f-806d-7106f413ff53_" From: Sergio Girardi Sender: To: Subject: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 11:11:06 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2013 10:11:06.0768 (UTC) FILETIME=[CAF18900:01CDF888] Resent-Message-ID: <9KXMUC.A.g8H.7Wm_QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:11:08 +0000 (UTC) --_efc8cca2-2727-461f-806d-7106f413ff53_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH THis cannot be true=2C I must be having a nightmare! How can I be so unlucky to fall from the Boomerang to something which costs= the double and cannot even UNDO a damn wrong overdub? Did they ever had a looper in their hand before projecting the pickup machi= nes????????????????????? Any cheap looper can Undo and a 1200 euro octatrack can undo lot of things = but not a overdub? Anders=2C did you find a workaround? I try to figure out if I can use more tracks to workaround this but=2C real= ly I am absolutely and totally indigned with Elektron. = --_efc8cca2-2727-461f-806d-7106f413ff53_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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THi= s cannot be true=2C I must be having a nightmare!
How can I be so unluck= y to fall from the Boomerang to something which costs the double and cannot= even UNDO a damn wrong overdub?
Did they ever had a looper in their han= d before projecting the pickup machines?????????????????????
Any cheap l= ooper can Undo and a 1200 euro octatrack can undo lot of things but not a o= verdub?

Anders=2C did you find a workaround?
I try to figure out = if I can use more tracks to workaround this but=2C really I am absolutely a= nd totally indigned with Elektron.
= --_efc8cca2-2727-461f-806d-7106f413ff53_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 13:57:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0887E18349D; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:57:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 816167.43018.bm@omp1064.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1358863059; bh=4qtlYc3KEPs0maha3Q5nyCwLu11vhjcP2aK3aG/CfCo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QPuDkFTVqpYJJFs638QxgdcaBKqVmHtQQJEQjnDBxOBvZmDQRzuVdJLJomsaN0HS7Fv0rxwR7yrHzakndGvt4Gy34n4bXt3Injfm5zr2tQC/oa3Pzs1qAYVWMlbs+MhOOWBDZbBqXAP4HlLdtQ2zVfjuJO0NF2l6jvyxlIYXlV4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nr2dvH/ROBplG6qsgWfHEu/QR9xlmmO5n9kf2sgFEI2/cP3KiazaovLZfs/Sq9aWAJj7rhyt2otT7GuoiqHR8oUVNYxfxMTnsiB9zRefELJaO6bvJczlM5tHfcMO2iDEb8U8R/HewiJ4yTD+Cjp21XolrDnEGRjSsPFi0LDBsC0=; X-YMail-OSG: NBAvwVQVM1lm1H7j6JlB4asyRMe0LtJ1jfEcRiO0xAwkGta cw61HITtNtuDa7.juzQ.u.ujiMkiLko24Asb0VYpBmMdQXRvVAWw4T2ITRUg XY5aN9Hae6SNR13uJN2K6p3aAG2STrG1ljQHZvVzO637HSCAv8D.RjPKHfJr .mtfXD_stO6w7gjhP_nuo_4A_ToH9YwMtpqRVp3i2GDndBM2NgWnYrSZ3p1N 5FL3GCfYQsQdF51gqrpafYjEVctM1hpyKWKPihPEUke.biIWg1uHEFHqof.3 fU3a_ayutz1CnRv6LwIN6e3xy6EGeapVs_0GZhTCzQynRTmjtMDKEYXw2Sk8 tuZLU2t7wAzXTOBv9LVk3HMF6YzARdZ8gr_Y2jt6DyXDDMW97Kf9U6n6xIC7 TPvObMq_85oSHa7A4XOkt.zzZLqi2MqjaJs8aCuRGkfgs54xhMGkyRC2Fd7G csDyzD1qHxRnp6pERevqsUp8tGJyrJgUnUbVCAJdWKqcbelUQ9gMtEBHcMhx H8sJnL55tomrSZekJXCaRsfF5tZPSH3v7eXP0lvCe5T6BRIz_0e38h8e7rSo PkGDYqYl8g2f1uK0BlfLhrD2i7XrljKKoQc7gG7OxStCvXw-- X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,aXMgdGhlcmUgYSB3ZWJzaXRlIHdoZXJlIHdlIGNhbiBzZWUgdGhlIExvb3AgZmVzdHMgZm9yIHRoaXMgeWVhcj8KdGhhbngKTHVpcwoKwqAKaHR0cDovL3d3dy5teXNwYWNlLmNvbS9sdWlzYW5ndWxvY29tATABAQEB X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.130.496 Message-ID: <1358863059.93479.YahooMailNeo@web120704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 05:57:39 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Reply-To: Luis Angulo Subject: Loop festivals in U.S. 2013 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1167350687-1435613328-1358863059=:93479" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:57:40 +0000 (UTC) --1167350687-1435613328-1358863059=:93479 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable is there a website where we can see the Loop fests for this year?=0Athanx= =0ALuis=0A=0A=A0=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --1167350687-1435613328-1358863059=:93479 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
is there a= website where we can see the Loop fests for this year?
thanx
Luis
 
http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
--1167350687-1435613328-1358863059=:93479-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 14:42:10 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37C89183499; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:42:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4A718127FBE64ADCBD3306EB830F1945@ELUS1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Boss Tera Delay (new, slight OT) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:42:15 -0500 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01CDF884.C303A560" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:42:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01CDF884.C303A560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99ve asked them for some specs instead of a bunch of marketing = speak. Sounds intriguing. From: Jeff Duke=20 Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 10:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Re: Boss Tera Delay (new, slight OT) Looks very interesting but the video leaves a lot to be desired. I wish = the guy talking would have shut up! I can only find the one vid. It says = that it "dramatically enhancing the straight guitar tone without = overwhelming it." Does this mean it won't go to 100% wet if I want it = to? We now have a Guitar Center in my little burg, maybe I'll go and = check it out. Thanks for the heads up Scott! Jeff On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Scott Hansen = wrote: wasn't sure if you saw this, not a looper per say, but an ambient = delay pedal from boss, just announced at NAMM: http://rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=3Dte-2 there's a couple of good vids on it already on youtube.... to me it sounds like the boss space echo pedal w/ some extra sounds in = small format. supposedly has a "freeze" option...which i haven't heard too well in = the vids. i thought it might be boss' version of the EH freeze w/ some extra = delay features....but i don't think so. some have said it's more of an ambient processor pedal...a post rock = pedal (no idea what that term really means!) discuss.... s--- ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01CDF884.C303A560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01CDF884.C303A560-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 15:18:57 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62C2418349F; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 15:18:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date :to; bh=iFJqvXSSRIGQIFdoglE2dA71k5qctdqpEXcZg92u6Ns=; b=MYlAx2j+SGYztZ5MD9Lm+bEalZJG1Ek+NnY7yfK0Y1gOEfPuwDJmFbmrXD/9AMFP6C W0fERbzquVghQxUUaaTvmuorlMKxbWu+Jr0OqF6eUC8SnaNlQECgDcaiurDUpFr0Azky I/nD9lPL+rSXBvAY2PhFyaJRnr+De4VB2+TEmXiIgy8yKrvuug8Jd5kMaPGecz9HovX9 rVo4tc6morJrnfE0bhWo5c/2L+/9nUyyF+t4aZNmUI3+k4di3Pq1VVirotKGGcZyZQ9l lMAMl16aleqZTdBhNwsMrS8X3yWm0rcKaLhZfAdUGf/OIfsCfei50mKAvRxkgkYMyfBN GTqA== X-Received: by 10.68.228.34 with SMTP id sf2mr59461033pbc.85.1358867936190; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 07:18:56 -0800 (PST) References: <4A718127FBE64ADCBD3306EB830F1945@ELUS1> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: <4A718127FBE64ADCBD3306EB830F1945@ELUS1> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-0AD03417-002D-40EE-9AA8-9E5118278D74 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0A21D719-2609-4931-8CD1-AB0C4F439209@gmail.com> Cc: "" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10A551) From: Philip Clevenger Subject: Re: Boss Tera Delay (new, slight OT) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 07:18:53 -0800 To: Stephen Goodman Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 15:18:57 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-0AD03417-002D-40EE-9AA8-9E5118278D74 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What more do you need to know ? It makes you sound *awesome.*. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2013, at 6:42 AM, "Stephen Goodman" wr= ote: > I=E2=80=99ve asked them for some specs instead of a bunch of marketing spe= ak. Sounds intriguing. > =20 > From: Jeff Duke > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 10:35 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Boss Tera Delay (new, slight OT) > =20 > Looks very interesting but the video leaves a lot to be desired. I wish th= e guy talking would have shut up! I can only find the one vid. It says that i= t "dramatically enhancing the straight guitar tone without overwhelming it."= Does this mean it won't go to 100% wet if I want it to? We now have a Guita= r Center in my little burg, maybe I'll go and check it out. Thanks for the h= eads up Scott! >=20 > Jeff >=20 > On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Scott Hansen wrote= : >> wasn't sure if you saw this, not a looper per say, but an ambient delay p= edal from boss, just announced at NAMM: >>=20 >> http://rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=3Dte-2 >>=20 >> there's a couple of good vids on it already on youtube.... >> to me it sounds like the boss space echo pedal w/ some extra sounds in sm= all format. >> supposedly has a "freeze" option...which i haven't heard too well in the v= ids. >> i thought it might be boss' version of the EH freeze w/ some extra delay f= eatures....but i don't think so. >> some have said it's more of an ambient processor pedal...a post rock p= edal (no idea what that term really means!) >> discuss.... >> s--- >=20 > =20 --Apple-Mail-0AD03417-002D-40EE-9AA8-9E5118278D74 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What more do you need to know ? It mak= es you sound *awesome.*. ;)

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 2= 2, 2013, at 6:42 AM, "Stephen Goodman" <spgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:

I=E2=80=99ve asked them for some specs instead of a bunch of marketing s= peak. =20 Sounds intriguing.
 
From: Jeff Duke
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: Boss Tera Delay (new, slight OT)
 
Looks=20 very interesting but the video leaves a lot to be desired. I wish the guy=20= talking would have shut up! I can only find the one vid. It says that it=20 "dramatically enhancing the straight guitar tone without overwhelming it." D= oes=20 this mean it won't go to 100% wet if I want it to? We now have a Guitar Cent= er=20 in my little burg, maybe I'll go and check it out. Thanks for the heads up=20= Scott!

Jeff

On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:
wasn't sure if you saw this, not a= looper per say, but an=20 ambient delay pedal from boss, just announced at NAMM:

http://rolan= dconnect.com/product.php?p=3Dte-2

there's a=20 couple of good vids on it already on youtube....
to me it sounds like t= he=20 boss space echo pedal w/ some extra sounds in small format.
supposedly h= as=20 a "freeze" option...which i haven't heard too well in the vids.
i thoug= ht=20 it might be boss' version of the EH freeze w/ some extra delay features...= .but=20 i don't think so.
some have said it's more of an ambient processor=20 pedal...a post rock pedal (no idea what that term really=20 means!)
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= --Apple-Mail-0AD03417-002D-40EE-9AA8-9E5118278D74-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 15:26:40 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC9371834A2; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 15:26:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 61780.96845.bm@omp1061.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1358868399; bh=tMatuEIGoF4wLgXtQrZJ1X9Jo1TzkRGOivawjM3OyyE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OJ5KHG2odrVGo7VrwppgyY9YjxHgeuW9a7ElWbqWz1NwpzYANFax2q8PI3SG374RFQejsrPTlUuB00x4onatnMyyQsPdlEMBMpW4T4OtPq8yexiRrRMWkkMeqAEgMvy7kvQPV4H2/bXYE0IREkUPzgsMOLvQAwYqXvriN7MHnhs= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DQhS002yhMkQ3M/h3q1WujEYKXi6lF4rvJ1pk14xUl7PI5LtK36KsqP1vy83f76AlXmMn8oPDSU3/zn5Z3FLf0cdXrwZox94zYi0uBAELTyH/PfzWrHSTOqv6rIYViMSRZkxMkg35ungphPUzlLoMW3Og+zGMRmZmvQvZT5yaP0=; X-YMail-OSG: AhUwXokVM1kEMlrg5ZIx2QcZiefhSBsH5TtR3L3C9lZF0ts 4Y3ZznuRrRmVAAv8K87hzODnhcZL3I9.1QpMWj51CZfkoNzo59OjAJ6X9j1l D1.qadOYKTgT44VgYCpqA5vEkNrcdxFPdABCIZIBceOSIvKqOevh3TjHXVUE PEJMBBiv5POdS_PdYgh7qb.y0bJ5qUMURwd06HDm6Lcfncjkp_H0AksYL5D8 LhQqY3q1Cbr2U5paU2UknxdDkJybcOvs8LtRKf.sloiseyg7qEddp1E.IhdA 7YEb672eNwh4z.qgY8qB.fRAe7LebWFvBGp8Fx7HBtm7QwdnGZVV4FkvERYb K61n4aF9Lo_Am98R6X73ETlutLUAt5wErVqdlRrMsETJfzoDtD1eORrUM0R2 iyV63FbtuDlNTRFLHYExh2tzSFWopu3W_cQH1MMVoU9td7TzDYZCxfsmSkWB MDQKxeY0KBTuiG7x5xLIamFsmanUOUCuCkLwj3fwCn_twiso6lVW1_M..CY1 h8SeZKhhYwjowidkui_Nr9ECnkomjv0_90jmzGP0rz1IzKnRMv5j.LdNPFNN HbTL4cJdkbXbaj36a6RQMCVwHQCeV1jspaPTJiFcqoQ-- X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,TG9va3MgcHJldHR5IGNvb2wgdG8gbWUgZXhjZXB0IGZvciB0aGUgcHJpY2UuIEFuZGVydG9ucyBpbiB0aGUgVUsgaXMgbGlzdGluZyBpdCBhdCBhcm91bmQgMTQ1IHBvdW5kcy4gCgoKU2VudCBmcm9tIFlhaG9vISBNYWlsIG9uIEFuZHJvaWQKCgEwAQEBAQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.130.496 Message-ID: <1358868399.81253.androidMobile@web161405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 07:26:39 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: Boss Tera Delay (new, slight OT) To: "spgoodman@earthlight.net" , "phil.clevenger@gmail.com" Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1298779297-1088152768-1358868399=:81253" Resent-Message-ID: <-ZtvoB.A.C5C.w-q_QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 15:26:40 +0000 (UTC) --1298779297-1088152768-1358868399=:81253 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looks pretty cool to me except for the price. Andertons in the UK is listin= g it at around 145 pounds. =0A=0A=0ASent from Yahoo! Mail on Android=0A=0A --1298779297-1088152768-1358868399=:81253 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Looks pretty cool to me except for the pric= e. Andertons in the UK is listing it at around 145 pounds.


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Looks =0Avery interesting but the video leaves a lot to be desi= red. I wish the guy =0Atalking would have shut up! I can only find the one = vid. It says that it =0A"dramatically enhancing the straight guitar to= ne without overwhelming it." Does =0Athis mean it won't go to 100%= wet if I want it to? We now have a Guitar Center =0Ain my little burg, may= be I'll go and check it out. Thanks for the heads up =0AScott!

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wasn't sure if you saw this, not a looper per say, but an =0A ambien= t delay pedal from boss, just announced at NAMM:

h= ttp://rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=3Dte-2

there's a =0A = couple of good vids on it already on youtube....
to me it sounds like th= e =0A boss space echo pedal w/ some extra sounds in small format.
suppo= sedly has =0A a "freeze" option...which i haven't heard too = well in the vids.
i thought =0A it might be boss' version of the EH= freeze w/ some extra delay features....but =0A i don't think so.
s= ome have said it's more of an ambient processor =0A pedal...a post roc= k pedal (no idea what that term really =0A means!)
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=0A --1298779297-1088152768-1358868399=:81253-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 15:57:17 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 260991834A7; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 15:57:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Boss Tera Delay (new, slight OT) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 07:57:10 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <5zbAXB.A.ARD.dbr_QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 15:57:17 +0000 (UTC) OMG the perfect pedal for my "Post Rock" band !!!! Sweet! Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 16:04:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBA021834A4; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 16:04:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:04:36 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <50FD96AF.1020904@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <20130122160436.85430@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <50FD96AF.1020904@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: TC-Ditto fatal flaw To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/tGpRyg1jtGuf5atOSSgEkh0ij8e6LsCRMw301QW bcAcDuTSzuXXNT+Y68Do1ud20CCcQYJOIzrQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: w92McDtAeSEqN8h4kHUhCYd+IGRvb4Cu Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 16:04:38 +0000 (UTC) Hi Andy Even if that's the case - I don't think it will be an issue, you'll get used to it easily. In fact, I have just ordered one today - I'll let you know!! I'm dealing with this topic in Mobius Multclick-Scripting and I run into the same design issues. Some events like i.e. Record need precision, others like quantized NextLoop/Multiply or Erase Loop are more forgiving. Basically you can trigger an event at: - Pedal Click (foot down; i.e. Record) - Pedal Release (foot up; i.e. Overdub) - Pre-defined duration (i.e. 1sec; i.e. Erase Loop) You can also combine certain events. I.e. you could say: - Play > (short press) > Overdub - Play > (double click)> Multiply Even if you trigger the Overdub at the first Pedal Click (1st foot down), you can easily transition Overdub --> Multiply with the second click. Anyway, my motivation for the Ditto Looper is to have a simple true bypass pedal in my pedalboard - I'll let you know in ca. 1,5 months! best regards Buzap From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 17:18:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BE201834A9; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:18:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Cara Quinn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Quick NAMM update Message-Id: <5932F3D5-779B-450E-966F-9D4548067631@caraquinn.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:18:41 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:3g4YC5h3d+8+0455YrKSJA7lweQ/5JVcDaPUwXfzHq4 Mr2Sn9w1Ig3U1E68jBoRoZLvwjhJIDb/xmRDgDmyq1ziy66h1+ P/X2sgoRjlYQzZ4NmmjNv7fQnB3Np3rhFVLQwRbx/DLVXr5rKD dsrnkCURL9XJN6PE2TFkmvGQ6x/IjfPk+3Qlb2xpTUukY/8RAU ukNJ0SFPncJXvl7xRuk7so7iJm0uHRXtW3aaXfS9D13mY71atV AOdt/F3nyDvaod7dvVZ2V9Li21KFYfelMF03K2hIC4LsCWtfSE qx9yCNHf/8COLNGSYOIpIBuxpUy3v4QK9FEZHCITmlXvHhiJLG JA2RHdkgUKGBk5tRdIA8ze58/JxcSFY/DimgNZ/GfuVdZV92jS Q3A6dqXQN/yQA== Resent-Message-ID: <2NqJoD.A.VGE.yns_QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:18:42 +0000 (UTC) Hi All, At this point I'm actually planning on attending NAMM only on Saturday. = I've just gotten over a pretty epic illness and rather than going for = all four days as I'd originally intended, I want to be kind to myself so = am probably just going to be there on Saturday. I'd love to catch up with anyone from the list whom might be attending = and as before, I'll be spending a bit of time that day at Parker Guitars = (booth # 5244) so hope to see ya there! If I do attend another day, (like Friday perhaps) I'll let y'all know! Hope to see ya and say hi! Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 17:42:31 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95E0D1834A9; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:42:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 831136973/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.30.22/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.30.22 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgsDABrP/lBYbR4W/2dsb2JhbAANN4ZFiCauKAQEgSKDEQEBAQQjFUARCxgCAgUWCwICCQMCAQIBRRwBsXhwgkCPO4EjjGqCFoETA5tkjWY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,516,1355097600"; d="scan'208";a="831136973" Message-ID: <50FECF7A.7090806@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:42:18 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: TC-Ditto fatal flaw References: <50FD96AF.1020904@tiscali.co.uk> <20130122160436.85430@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20130122160436.85430@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:42:31 +0000 (UTC) Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi Andy > > I have just ordered one today - I'll let you know!! > would you consider writing a review for livelooping.org? andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 19:31:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27BA51834AB; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:31:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 629210.56138.bm@omp1032.mail.ird.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1358883078; bh=nuzqJqkBApX3KbLcTrqVevPOA+nB9qLzcdOs07vbsl8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=f7Rn20TTy+Zp0NIGNt9X2mbwxNX7kehoptQMqOa2SmCtnEPtA1HEjLDpi22SKrUgM5xPswSAYe7yDEVPR4qGTbdTzresk1VwhA4l89QBXXQowSR7fiG5mSP9mrwxNgdO1XtvQsnrkUCQtgwNuE7RbfaCPxkmBmNeB8/lIguWI4s= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BYfHnECSwTkSTkAb7YBjDWgq7JNxDGlFOnUKT70G+XcxKhX/jdBBo6JW9tYzo74/Fjxw4XzNae3KArrnrwd+9OBE96ZWVHRfYr8T6Mba0TAiOwtpEkmlaaiADJyHj5AiQwBPP4lSgRWdfBpUrzKFps649HFvl+Uw41pHp40v7Xg=; X-YMail-OSG: BA3CVXIVM1n1yEDqzyWwRjqTgs2hzBYIOrtCN2h.Hd0vf_u DP0tEifOgsyyNHDo0v43HAwB_kKfCYyi_90pcyfMyFFPRglaqqiGgN_TMJYE w7tK8f9dmLnAEZuMg0lWp3oEwtLU1.Erqr7EIvuivGplDjmAiKOyNHbuRGsJ fNdJQQ4PvIk1aEC8sHOSvQhOKOU.sFXCvKISml7xghMUZZilaVrtFAJkDPTL 3Jw7m06qK27NPQIoDiXwLwu8e5o9evJNBx1SkgnGa26FmswNn6tYIJJWDu7K 1nlDgQ6aoC.9v4K83jieT78P3OIVx_JdUBy86Phztk_giZha_gUhvLW5nj.U QjTPTZhN1DJoIGP.Vvuy4ivNqwWJdBiE13iTZmyWSLDlUjJCGEAGEQ4wlA1L WmVmOJtDEftAT8_Y.0bU.HV5dkl.zqDQeRKaMIN32HIzzmNXfgIeXUdH4POs Lwi5w.cCQc4s_Fwpe8ssl0LtjCpF7diHfCLBDxxq66ZI2PsQVl2H87lnTwgy qhMSPjC3AZ1fc7n0.cSV6v4JDCKHsoTRfDxYNyaBh0khz5yOA288fbzk2.aG 5XdeupHfuKqbXLZgrgK_N_E9angZbsjiTdGKzRc7tViY8HoWTc7Pfu4Vnc8H AQz_8J7XqDCPMJcUXChWOcbRSy4h35tN.qUuvTnVvGKHuwDZHM0nCA3Y0q94 DtwQGxXGKqtgz5GDAOLu3CVmz4effm2N.1ySGTpcdJNAITKYNxdwVEV_Fb0x usDsPlJbDmH02xZmiH9AwX0EuN2eLwTvaTYM3iRIdZucH73WZnL.SHdPZZaJ JBHMgo7gyc7ZxUn1QJ40o0_vlRtTvFlg- X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,VHJpc3RhbiBCdXJmaWVsZDogTGl2ZSBMb29wIFZvbC4gMSArIExpdmUgTG9vcCBWb2wuIDIgb3V0IG5vdyBvbiBSYXB0dXJvdXMgSW5kaWZmZXJlbmNlCgpMaXZlIExvb3AgVm9sLiAxCgpBIHJlLXJlbGVhc2Ugb2YgYSBjbGFzc2ljIGFydGlmYWN0IHJlY29yZGVkIGluIEJyaXN0b2wgYXQgbXkgc3R1ZGlvIHNwYWNlIGluIEVhc3RvbiBpbiAyMDA1LCB0aGVzZSAzIGVwaWMgdHJhY2tzIGFyZSBydW4gdGhyb3VnaHMgb2Zzb21lIG9mIG15IHZlcnkgZmlyc3QgbGl2ZSBzZXRzLiBBbGwgdHJhY2tzIGV4cGxvcmUBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.130.494 Message-ID: <1358883078.7494.YahooMailNeo@web172405.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:31:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Tristan Burfield Reply-To: Tristan Burfield Subject: Tristan Burfield: Live Loop Vol. 1 + Live Loop Vol. 2 out now on Rapturous Indifference To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-98669616-1452071396-1358883078=:7494" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:31:24 +0000 (UTC) ---98669616-1452071396-1358883078=:7494 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tristan Burfield: Live Loop Vol. 1 + Live Loop Vol. 2 out now on Rapturous = Indifference=0A=0ALive Loop Vol. 1=0A=0AA re-release of a classic artifact = recorded in Bristol at my studio space in Easton in 2005, these 3 epic trac= ks are run throughs ofsome of my very first live sets. All tracks explore l= ive looping and sampling in a live context, creating a glitchy Fennesz styl= e ambience through a fusion of foot activated loops and firing off samples = on the fly. Fluid and ethereal these recordings are living proof of a buddi= ng talent and an antidote those who wrongly believe that digital music lack= s organic soul. CD decorated with paper sticky label. Clear plastic sleeve = with customized paper insert.=A0=0A=0ASample track from 'Live Loop Vol.1':= =0A=0Ahttp://soundcloud.com/tristan_burfield/tristan-burfield-live-loop-2= =0A=0ALive Loop Vol. 2=0A=0AReleased in tandem with Live Loop Vol. 1, this = 2012 recording takes live looping out of the concert space and back into th= e studio using a single guitar altered via FX as its sound source. This is = cinematic, fluid and ethereal music that evokes the somber drone of Earth a= nd the melancholy of Loren Connors. CD decorated with paper sticky label. C= lear plastic sleeve with customized paper insert.=0A=0ASample track from 'L= ive Loop vol. 2':=0A=0Ahttps://soundcloud.com/#tristan_burfield/tristan-bur= field-live-loop-1=0A=0AArtwork here:=0A=0Ahttp://www.tristanburfield.com/Ma= in/live_loop.jpg=0A=0AAvailable to buy via PayPal: tristan_burfield@yahoo.c= o.uk.3 pounds 90p (UK) 4 pounds 90p (Europe) 5 pounds 90p (Worldwide). See= =A0http://www.tristanburfield.com/=A0for further details.=0A ---98669616-1452071396-1358883078=:7494 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tristan Burfield: Live Loop Vol.= 1 + Live Loop Vol. 2 out now on Rapturous Indifference

Live Loop Vo= l. 1

A re-release of a classic artifact recorded in Bristol at my st= udio space in Easton in 2005, these 3 epic tracks are run throughs ofsome of my very fir= st live sets. All tracks explore live looping and sampling in a live contex= t, creating a glitchy Fennesz style ambience through a fusion of foot activ= ated loops and firing off samples on the fly. Fluid and ethereal these reco= rdings are living proof of a budding talent and an antidote those who wrong= ly believe that digital music lacks organic soul. CD decorated with paper sticky label. Clear plastic sleeve with customized paper insert. 
=
Sample track from 'Live Loop Vol.1':

http://soundcloud.com/tristan_burfield/tristan-burf= ield-live-loop-2

Live Loop Vol. 2

Released in tandem with= Live Loop Vol. 1, this 2012 recording takes live looping out of the concer= t space and back into the studio using a single guitar altered via FX as it= s sound source. This is cinematic, fluid and ethereal music that evokes the= somber drone of Earth and the melancholy of Loren Connors. CD decorated wi= th paper sticky label. Clear plastic sleeve with customized paper insert.
Sample track from 'Live Loop vol. 2':

https://soundcloud.com/#tristan_burfield/trista= n-burfield-live-loop-1

Artwork here:

http://www.tristanburfield.com/Main/live_loop.jpg

Av= ailable to buy via PayPal: tristan_burfield@yahoo.co.uk.3 pounds 90p (UK) 4= pounds 90p (Europe) 5 pounds 90p (Worldwide). See http://www= .tristanburfield.com/ for further details.
---98669616-1452071396-1358883078=:7494-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 21:57:13 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F2AA1834A8; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 21:57:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-EIP: [mwjNkhaWCg7PrpOn6pJK6BR/NPO/A+py] X-Originating-Email: [satyam.shivam.sundaram@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_f4303048-45af-4299-ace2-cee8f20c057f_" From: Sergio Girardi Sender: To: Subject: FW: LP2 to Germany Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:57:07 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<1353676271.2004.YahooMailNeo@web132206.mail.ird.yahoo.com>,,,<1353688925.14795.YahooMailNeo@web132202.mail.ird.yahoo.com>,<6D749895-96D2-4644-9B11-C6AD6D4CB952@gmx.de>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2013 21:57:07.0910 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C26D660:01CDF8EB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 21:57:13 +0000 (UTC) --_f4303048-45af-4299-ace2-cee8f20c057f_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok=2C given the absence of UNDO/REDO in the Octatrack=2C I have decided to = buy the LP2. I choose it because it seems the best battery operated looper = and I was anyway needing a battery operated looper. Let me know! Sergio From: donsergio2011@gmail.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: LP2 to Germany Date: Sat=2C 19 Jan 2013 06:01:54 +0100 I'm interested! the octatrack is quite disappointing as a looper. I'm poor in this moment=2C the arbeits agentur is taking care of me=2C but = according to the price=2C I may be in. But I must sell my boomerang3! Can you let me know the final price? I live in Muenster by the way. From: krrrs@gmx.de Subject: Re: LP2 to Germany Date: Fri=2C 18 Jan 2013 15:02:35 +0100 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Anyone still wants to place a bulk order?According to Bob=2C we could get a= slight discount=2C if we do. Chris Am 23.11.2012 um 17:42 schrieb Antony Hequet:I would be curious=2C I am at = the Funkhaus in Nalepastrasse. Have a studio there=3B would you like to com= e over some time? De : Pawel Janowski =C0 : "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" =20 Envoy=E9 le : Vendredi 23 novembre 2012 16h23 Objet : Re: LP2 to Germany =20 I am probably one of the few people in Germany with one=2C so if any of you= would like to try one in Berlin=2C let me know. Pawel On 23 November 2012 15:47=2C Sergio Girardi wrote: might toonot much money now but I will need a battery operated looper in th= e future and if I can get this for a price I can pay=2C deal. Or I will hav= e to sadly go for the Vox 2 loops one... Let me know. SergioDate: Fri=2C 23 Nov 2012 13:11:11 +0000 From: antony.hequet@yahoo.fr Subject: Re: LP2 to Germany To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com might do =20 De : jrploopers =C0 : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Envoy=E9 le : Vendredi 23 novembre 2012 13h38 Objet : LP2 to Germany =20 I=B4d like to buy a Looperlative LP2 myself and wonder=2C if it makes sense= to place a bulk order to Germany in case anyone else on this list living h= ere wants one=2C too. =20 ? jayrope --- kliklak.net aircushionfinish.com prinzenallee.com =20 =20 = --_f4303048-45af-4299-ace2-cee8f20c057f_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok=2C given the absence of UNDO/REDO in the Octatrack=2C I have decided to = buy the LP2. I choose it because it seems the best battery operated looper = and I was anyway needing a battery operated looper.
Let me know!
Serg= io


From: donsergio2011@gmail.com
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com<= br>Subject: RE: LP2 to Germany
Date: Sat=2C 19 Jan 2013 06:01:54 +0100
I'm interested! the octatrack is quite disappointing as a = looper.
I'm poor in this moment=2C the arbeits agentur is taking care of= me=2C but according to the price=2C I may be in.
But I must sell my boo= merang3!
Can you let me know the final price?
I live in Muenster by t= he way.


From: krrrs@gmx.de
Subject: Re: LP2 to Germany
Dat= e: Fri=2C 18 Jan 2013 15:02:35 +0100
To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight= .com

Anyone still wants to place a bulk order?
Accord= ing to Bob=2C we could get a slight discount=2C if we do.

Chris


Am 23.11.2012 um 17:42 schr= ieb Antony Hequet:

=
I would be curious=2C I am at the Funkhaus in Nalepastrasse. Hav= e a studio there=3B would you like to come over some time?


De =3B: Pawel Janowski <=3Bpjanowski@gmail.com>=3B
=C0 =3B: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" &l= t=3BLoopers-Delight@= loopers-delight.com>=3B
Envo= y=E9 le : Vendredi 23 novembre 2012 16h23
Objet =3B: Re: LP2 to Germany

I am probably = one of the few people in Germany with one=2C so if any of you would like to= try one in Berlin=2C let me know.

Pawel


On 23 November 2012 15:47=2C Sergio Girardi <= =3Bsimpliflying@= gmail.com>=3B wrote:
might too
not much money now but I will need a battery operated looper = in the future and if I can get this for a price I can pay=2C deal. Or I wil= l have to sadly go for the Vox 2 loops one...
Let me know.

Sergio

Date: Fri=2C 23 Nov 201= 2 13:11:11 +0000
From: antony.hequet@yahoo.fr
Subject: Re: LP2 to Germany
To: = Loo= pers-Delight@loopers-delight.com


mi= ght do


De =3B: jrploopers <=3Bjrploopers@kliklak.net>=3B=
=C0 =3B: Loopers-Delig= ht@loopers-delight.com
Envoy=E9 le : Vendredi 23 n= ovembre 2012 13h38
Objet =3B: LP2 to Germany

I=B4d like to buy a Looperl= ative LP2 myself and wonder=2C if it makes sense to place a bulk order to G= ermany in case anyone else on this list living here wants one=2C too.
?

jayrope
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= --_f4303048-45af-4299-ace2-cee8f20c057f_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 22:00:26 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8914D1834A3; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:00:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=sUGhtHGf9yp4gwhv0miXSs+kLKhjQ9gp59bs5Gi1oQc=; b=w/T/dumO8/oj1MNEW/UkAYWNHeHt6TIA1jOnQsJz029RZ3XHwURY9P8WcsT6jSK/Gk lJBv+e0jZRN9S2pfwdY/ykwNMYWFFyEhIBZl0caD/UimS/rsYYXvfKkeKgAkAIGAzGXa RhbOllctvQJEJbHs98GPTnbuif2VLSQYCDezVg71PctJIYMoHQ3WQ195kxh+REsK0FBf 04L2o19GPfzlzPgkPp/y3YmL+1aJdtdr7cJXMa2Fuzl9e4G3GIEke+0ObN+LHyl/Qvhs N5ZqqXy3DCUqF8ypA02tb3UArUZy/0WXvYfNGOlJsDAzuJHuS8VHs/15C6jtz2LK6NnN zFRg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.12.135 with SMTP id y7mr13135726igb.98.1358892025588; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:00:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:00:25 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack From: Todd Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340bcd792b1404d3e7b4fd Resent-Message-ID: <3ELl_C.A.JFH.6vw_QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:00:26 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340bcd792b1404d3e7b4fd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 An Octatrack is not a looper. It's a sampler which can do a few simple looping tricks. T On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 2:11 AM, Sergio Girardi wrote: > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH > > THis cannot be true, I must be having a nightmare! > How can I be so unlucky to fall from the Boomerang to something which > costs the double and cannot even UNDO a damn wrong overdub? > Did they ever had a looper in their hand before projecting the pickup > machines????????????????????? > Any cheap looper can Undo and a 1200 euro octatrack can undo lot of things > but not a overdub? > > Anders, did you find a workaround? > I try to figure out if I can use more tracks to workaround this but, > really I am absolutely and totally indigned with Elektron. > -- http://toaster.bandcamp.com --14dae9340bcd792b1404d3e7b4fd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An Octatrack is not a looper. It's a sampler which can do a few simple = looping tricks.=A0

T

O= n Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 2:11 AM, Sergio Girardi <simpliflying@gmail.co= m> wrote:
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH

THi= s cannot be true, I must be having a nightmare!
How can I be so unlucky = to fall from the Boomerang to something which costs the double and cannot e= ven UNDO a damn wrong overdub?
Did they ever had a looper in their hand before projecting the pickup machi= nes?????????????????????
Any cheap looper can Undo and a 1200 euro octat= rack can undo lot of things but not a overdub?

Anders, did you find = a workaround?
I try to figure out if I can use more tracks to workaround this but, really= I am absolutely and totally indigned with Elektron.
<= /div>



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--14dae9340bcd792b1404d3e7b4fd-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 23:11:58 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E557183492; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 23:11:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-EIP: [eBv7qmr0rhtisLX66HkHJEKu8B2H92tJ] X-Originating-Email: [satyam.shivam.sundaram@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c73d4a6f-760b-41cf-a571-7a571aa18e88_" From: Sergio Girardi Sender: To: Subject: RE: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:11:57 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2013 23:11:57.0293 (UTC) FILETIME=[E00851D0:01CDF8F5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 23:11:58 +0000 (UTC) --_c73d4a6f-760b-41cf-a571-7a571aa18e88_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pag 2 of the manual=2C suggested uses of the Octatrack: the first suggested= use is LOOPER DEVICE. So=2C do not tell me this please. As also I would like to shut up (sorry=2C I am angry=2C normally I am nicer= ) those who tell me "you should have read the manual before buying it=2C an= d would have noticed the absence of reference to undo. 200 pages of manual damn it! Are you kidding me? I still didnt read it all = after months! Anyway. I have decided to buy a proper looper battery operated. I have read the thread best battery operated looper=2C but no comparison ma= de=2C just names. The dl4 can be nice because I need a delay also but one loop is no deal. The lil is ok but limited. The lp2 can undo but not redo=2C uff... Date: Tue=2C 22 Jan 2013 14:00:25 -0800 Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack From: toddbert@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com An Octatrack is not a looper. It's a sampler which can do a few simple loop= ing tricks.=20 T On Tue=2C Jan 22=2C 2013 at 2:11 AM=2C Sergio Girardi wrote: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH THis cannot be true=2C I must be having a nightmare! How can I be so unlucky to fall from the Boomerang to something which costs= the double and cannot even UNDO a damn wrong overdub? Did they ever had a looper in their hand before projecting the pickup machi= nes????????????????????? Any cheap looper can Undo and a 1200 euro octatrack can undo lot of things = but not a overdub? Anders=2C did you find a workaround? I try to figure out if I can use more tracks to workaround this but=2C real= ly I am absolutely and totally indigned with Elektron. =20 --=20 http://toaster.bandcamp.com = --_c73d4a6f-760b-41cf-a571-7a571aa18e88_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Pag 2 of the manual=2C suggested uses of the Octatrack: the first suggested= use is LOOPER DEVICE.
So=2C do not tell me this please.
As also I wo= uld like to shut up (sorry=2C I am angry=2C normally I am nicer) those who = tell me "you should have read the manual before buying it=2C and would have= noticed the absence of reference to undo.
200 pages of manual damn it! = Are you kidding me? I still didnt read it all after months!
Anyway.
I= have decided to buy a proper looper battery operated.
I have read the t= hread best battery operated looper=2C but no comparison made=2C just names.=
The dl4 can be nice because I need a delay also but one loop is no deal= .
The lil is ok but limited.
The lp2 can undo but not redo=2C uff...<= br>

D= ate: Tue=2C 22 Jan 2013 14:00:25 -0800
Subject: Re: About the absence of= Undo in the Octatrack
From: toddbert@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@l= oopers-delight.com

An Octatrack is not a looper. It's a sampler whic= h can do a few simple looping tricks. =3B

T

<= div class=3D"ecxgmail_quote">On Tue=2C Jan 22=2C 2013 at 2:11 AM=2C Sergio = Girardi <=3B
s= impliflying@gmail.com>=3B wrote:
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH

THi= s cannot be true=2C I must be having a nightmare!
How can I be so unluck= y to fall from the Boomerang to something which costs the double and cannot= even UNDO a damn wrong overdub?
Did they ever had a looper in their hand before projecting the pickup machi= nes?????????????????????
Any cheap looper can Undo and a 1200 euro octat= rack can undo lot of things but not a overdub?

Anders=2C did you fin= d a workaround?
I try to figure out if I can use more tracks to workaround this but=2C real= ly I am absolutely and totally indigned with Elektron.



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= --_c73d4a6f-760b-41cf-a571-7a571aa18e88_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 23:25:46 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD9DA183492; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 23:25:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=WUau7GSAqn/tzOSl1YWJfX6b66V4KRNrE3IIZowNn5s=; b=LNjBVzzJ2XxwwFJo52bQqybcrgARPeBCNMJTNig+dZGDP5pjFWx2W7Byhqp9OvWUYx Cl2PT/8ORXVf/1Szl7GHC0wjTo4wnGf4zOgg/+Ir/4wU0+Fkau/eWXj7JZGQ7n7wINcc 4najfxnB7rDpK7cWVPLb2kd54NTVp9S2+TGyCAeGuLU8odDq5y/GswVUDYTOQ8CzhHGj 1PPX0D0jTTiEh3Wur9wrnt9mkssKtKa+Cg78EUVhpzEO5Tu5i/oIlH9Rc2AlC1SiDwIg EpXTSjZX14i9+2XGJ/TOjFtYqVJhZOovT5d+eK77qqv77fczC+MO1FojOzXj3jWDoZ2Z 9UkA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.197.135 with SMTP id iu7mr13179587igc.85.1358897145921; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 15:25:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 15:25:45 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack From: Todd Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae934084dab414e04d3e8e5a0 Resent-Message-ID: <_U7XW.A.eN.6_x_QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 23:25:46 +0000 (UTC) --14dae934084dab414e04d3e8e5a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If you have specific needs in a product, it's best to research it to see that the product fulfills those needs. Shelling out that much dough before figuring that out is a recipe for disaster, and complaining that you failed to read the manual does not help your case. There's lots of helpful folk on this list, and at electron-forums, and in many other places that would have helped you out. T On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Sergio Girardi wrote: > Pag 2 of the manual, suggested uses of the Octatrack: the first suggested > use is LOOPER DEVICE. > So, do not tell me this please. > As also I would like to shut up (sorry, I am angry, normally I am nicer) > those who tell me "you should have read the manual before buying it, and > would have noticed the absence of reference to undo. > 200 pages of manual damn it! Are you kidding me? I still didnt read it all > after months! > Anyway. > I have decided to buy a proper looper battery operated. > I have read the thread best battery operated looper, but no comparison > made, just names. > The dl4 can be nice because I need a delay also but one loop is no deal. > The lil is ok but limited. > The lp2 can undo but not redo, uff... > > ------------------------------ > Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:00:25 -0800 > Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack > From: toddbert@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > An Octatrack is not a looper. It's a sampler which can do a few simple > looping tricks. > > T > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 2:11 AM, Sergio Girardi wrote: > > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH > > THis cannot be true, I must be having a nightmare! > How can I be so unlucky to fall from the Boomerang to something which > costs the double and cannot even UNDO a damn wrong overdub? > Did they ever had a looper in their hand before projecting the pickup > machines????????????????????? > Any cheap looper can Undo and a 1200 euro octatrack can undo lot of things > but not a overdub? > > Anders, did you find a workaround? > I try to figure out if I can use more tracks to workaround this but, > really I am absolutely and totally indigned with Elektron. > > > > > -- > http://toaster.bandcamp.com > -- http://toaster.bandcamp.com --14dae934084dab414e04d3e8e5a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you have specific needs in a product, it's best to research it to se= e that the product fulfills those needs. Shelling out that much dough befor= e figuring that out is a recipe for disaster, and complaining that you fail= ed to read the manual does not help your case. There's lots of helpful = folk on this list, and at electron-forums, and in many other places that wo= uld have helped you out.=A0

T

On Tue, Jan 22, 201= 3 at 3:11 PM, Sergio Girardi <simpliflying@gmail.com> w= rote:
Pag 2 of the manual, suggested uses of the Octatrack: the first suggested u= se is LOOPER DEVICE.
So, do not tell me this please.
As also I would = like to shut up (sorry, I am angry, normally I am nicer) those who tell me = "you should have read the manual before buying it, and would have noti= ced the absence of reference to undo.
200 pages of manual damn it! Are you kidding me? I still didnt read it all = after months!
Anyway.
I have decided to buy a proper looper battery o= perated.
I have read the thread best battery operated looper, but no com= parison made, just names.
The dl4 can be nice because I need a delay also but one loop is no deal.The lil is ok but limited.
The lp2 can undo but not redo, uff...

Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:00:25 -0800
Subject: Re: = About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack
From: toddbert@gmai= l.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com


An Octatrack is not a looper. It's a sampler which can do a few sim= ple looping tricks.=A0

T

On Tue, Jan 22, 201= 3 at 2:11 AM, Sergio Girardi <simpliflying@gmail.com> w= rote:
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH

THi= s cannot be true, I must be having a nightmare!
How can I be so unlucky = to fall from the Boomerang to something which costs the double and cannot e= ven UNDO a damn wrong overdub?
Did they ever had a looper in their hand before projecting the pickup machi= nes?????????????????????
Any cheap looper can Undo and a 1200 euro octat= rack can undo lot of things but not a overdub?

Anders, did you find = a workaround?
I try to figure out if I can use more tracks to workaround this but, really= I am absolutely and totally indigned with Elektron.
<= /div>



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--14dae934084dab414e04d3e8e5a0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 23:44:43 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C25E183494; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 23:44:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-EIP: [ibkARebMA8jACUEcM7tSgl/0MjFKACiK] X-Originating-Email: [satyam.shivam.sundaram@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_0ee0d492-4f9a-4baf-a0cc-82636baa279b_" From: Sergio Girardi Sender: To: Subject: RE: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:44:37 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2013 23:44:38.0006 (UTC) FILETIME=[70B56160:01CDF8FA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 23:44:43 +0000 (UTC) --_0ee0d492-4f9a-4baf-a0cc-82636baa279b_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tod=2C I did write a lot=2C here=2C and on Elektron forums=2C BEFORE.=20 I even was writing with Chapelier Fou=2C do you know him? He was selling hi= s OT on Elektron forums. He just told me not to buy the OT because Ableton was better=2C but he told= me it was because the OT is too linear for him=2C he needs to build a song= in a way that at the end he can recall a loop he played at the beginning (= which he can with Ableton and Launchpad). So=2C NOBODY ever told me "hey=2C careful=2C there is no undo"=2C and since= rely=2C the Undo is such a damn BASIC thing in a looper (redo for me too=2C= so I do not understand why the LP2 has got no redo=2C I would prefer ONE l= ayer of undo plus redo rather than 30 layers of undo and no redo. the thing= I most liked on the boomerang was the undo/redo=2C you can correct a mista= ke with the undo=2C or you can use the last overdub as if it was a separate= loop=2C muting and unmuting it with undo/redo=2C which is SUPER COOL). ANd I did not ask=2C because I would have never ever ever ever expected tha= t a looper can have no undo=2C not something which costs 1200 euro! But wathever. I am loosing energy=2C smile and time. I will probably give up=2C since I started all this music thing=2C I had ju= st problems. I rather do carpenteer and forget about art=2C art sucks=2C as does my fuck= ing italian character. And OT too! Date: Tue=2C 22 Jan 2013 15:25:45 -0800 Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack From: toddbert@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com If you have specific needs in a product=2C it's best to research it to see = that the product fulfills those needs. Shelling out that much dough before = figuring that out is a recipe for disaster=2C and complaining that you fail= ed to read the manual does not help your case. There's lots of helpful folk= on this list=2C and at electron-forums=2C and in many other places that wo= uld have helped you out.=20 T On Tue=2C Jan 22=2C 2013 at 3:11 PM=2C Sergio Girardi wrote: Pag 2 of the manual=2C suggested uses of the Octatrack: the first suggested= use is LOOPER DEVICE. So=2C do not tell me this please. As also I would like to shut up (sorry=2C I am angry=2C normally I am nicer= ) those who tell me "you should have read the manual before buying it=2C an= d would have noticed the absence of reference to undo. 200 pages of manual damn it! Are you kidding me? I still didnt read it all = after months! Anyway. I have decided to buy a proper looper battery operated. I have read the thread best battery operated looper=2C but no comparison ma= de=2C just names. The dl4 can be nice because I need a delay also but one loop is no deal. The lil is ok but limited. The lp2 can undo but not redo=2C uff... Date: Tue=2C 22 Jan 2013 14:00:25 -0800 Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack From: toddbert@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com An Octatrack is not a looper. It's a sampler which can do a few simple loop= ing tricks.=20 T On Tue=2C Jan 22=2C 2013 at 2:11 AM=2C Sergio Girardi wrote: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH THis cannot be true=2C I must be having a nightmare! How can I be so unlucky to fall from the Boomerang to something which costs= the double and cannot even UNDO a damn wrong overdub? Did they ever had a looper in their hand before projecting the pickup machi= nes????????????????????? Any cheap looper can Undo and a 1200 euro octatrack can undo lot of things = but not a overdub? Anders=2C did you find a workaround? I try to figure out if I can use more tracks to workaround this but=2C real= ly I am absolutely and totally indigned with Elektron. =20 --=20 http://toaster.bandcamp.com =20 --=20 http://toaster.bandcamp.com = --_0ee0d492-4f9a-4baf-a0cc-82636baa279b_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tod=2C I did write a lot=2C here=2C and on Elektron forums=2C BEFORE.
I= even was writing with Chapelier Fou=2C do you know him? He was selling his= OT on Elektron forums.
He just told me not to buy the OT because Ableto= n was better=2C but he told me it was because the OT is too linear for him= =2C he needs to build a song in a way that at the end he can recall a loop = he played at the beginning (which he can with Ableton and Launchpad).
So= =2C NOBODY ever told me "hey=2C careful=2C there is no undo"=2C and sincere= ly=2C the Undo is such a damn BASIC thing in a looper (redo for me too=2C s= o I do not understand why the LP2 has got no redo=2C I would prefer ONE lay= er of undo plus redo rather than 30 layers of undo and no redo. the thing I= most liked on the boomerang was the undo/redo=2C you can correct a mistake= with the undo=2C or you can use the last overdub as if it was a separate l= oop=2C muting and unmuting it with undo/redo=2C which is SUPER COOL).
AN= d I did not ask=2C because I would have never ever ever ever expected that = a looper can have no undo=2C not something which costs 1200 euro!
But wa= thever.
I am loosing energy=2C smile and time.
I will probably give u= p=2C since I started all this music thing=2C I had just problems.
I rath= er do carpenteer and forget about art=2C art sucks=2C as does my fucking it= alian character.
And OT too!


Date: Tue=2C 22 Jan 2013 15:25:45 -0800
S= ubject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack
From: toddbert@gm= ail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

If you have speci= fic needs in a product=2C it's best to research it to see that the product = fulfills those needs. Shelling out that much dough before figuring that out= is a recipe for disaster=2C and complaining that you failed to read the ma= nual does not help your case. There's lots of helpful folk on this list=2C = and at electron-forums=2C and in many other places that would have helped y= ou out. =3B

T

On Tue=2C Jan 22= =2C 2013 at 3:11 PM=2C Sergio Girardi <=3Bsimpliflying@gmail.com>=3B wrote:=
Pag 2 of the manual=2C suggested uses of the Octatrack: the first suggested= use is LOOPER DEVICE.
So=2C do not tell me this please.
As also I wo= uld like to shut up (sorry=2C I am angry=2C normally I am nicer) those who = tell me "you should have read the manual before buying it=2C and would have= noticed the absence of reference to undo.
200 pages of manual damn it! Are you kidding me? I still didnt read it all = after months!
Anyway.
I have decided to buy a proper looper battery o= perated.
I have read the thread best battery operated looper=2C but no c= omparison made=2C just names.
The dl4 can be nice because I need a delay also but one loop is no deal.The lil is ok but limited.
The lp2 can undo but not redo=2C uff...
<= br>

Date: Tue=2C 22 Jan 2013 14:00:25 -0800
Subject: = Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack
From: toddbert@gmail.com
To: <= a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com


An Octatrack is not a looper. It's a sampler which can do a few simple = looping tricks. =3B

T

On Tue=2C Jan 22= =2C 2013 at 2:11 AM=2C Sergio Girardi <=3Bsimpliflying@gmail.com>=3B wrote:=
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH

THi= s cannot be true=2C I must be having a nightmare!
How can I be so unluck= y to fall from the Boomerang to something which costs the double and cannot= even UNDO a damn wrong overdub?
Did they ever had a looper in their hand before projecting the pickup machi= nes?????????????????????
Any cheap looper can Undo and a 1200 euro octat= rack can undo lot of things but not a overdub?

Anders=2C did you fin= d a workaround?
I try to figure out if I can use more tracks to workaround this but=2C real= ly I am absolutely and totally indigned with Elektron.



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= --_0ee0d492-4f9a-4baf-a0cc-82636baa279b_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 00:19:20 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1D1A183493; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=KuNOtVzXwnuHUOj5UpHSkJWaHBNGktJN8tnqk/7shg4=; b=leh3YLdUdnPkRCDQ+Cgi+yYu127N0UyVpHR+//r+0Yfoq8MLNXUyUnutah7+sUCZrN k0DyAZZSChp04yBFRq9LDUB9Z5jXIRUCcMscblZuOwuhyYWAV8HHqMdmirs2+1wi1F8l 1AcfKj5cwojj6lbQNZNBDj8XqU4gzfOsgdxQ6Gpa+At9VUYg19CoKxMgLJgo2FfTytSO 463UHq0RzvRXqBmUQFW/n4fW/JUc/XX9kdKRf+clVkEpx+4otDTWdvqBBgErZvIJWu5P 5UJx0X/kUoi2EpyH8DtsU5f13WK8zLMntlMC5a6FXblTOe3l7SrF2VEXqNc6H4nosp2S hAAA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.127.240 with SMTP id nj16mr29318054qeb.13.1358900359473; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 16:19:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:19:19 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6d9624362bc904d3e9a541 Resent-Message-ID: <6SPpDB.A.lAB.Hyy_QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:19:19 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b6d9624362bc904d3e9a541 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sergio, You've been on a buying spree ever since you showed up around here... my advice, stop buying stuff and make music with the cool toys you already have (live, boomerang, octotrack...) Half what I do that's any good is by making do with the limitation of my gear... on the computer, the hardest thing for me is setting limits to recreate those kind of constraints... May I suggest you sign up for the Disquiet Junto and use whatever gear you have to create some music for this week's project (coming on thursday): http://disquiet.com/2012/01/27/the-disquiet-junto/ I've been having a lot of fun with it, creating music I otherwise would not have. Sylvain On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Sergio Girardi wrote: > Tod, I did write a lot, here, and on Elektron forums, BEFORE. > I even was writing with Chapelier Fou, do you know him? He was selling his > OT on Elektron forums. > He just told me not to buy the OT because Ableton was better, but he told > me it was because the OT is too linear for him, he needs to build a song in > a way that at the end he can recall a loop he played at the beginning > (which he can with Ableton and Launchpad). > So, NOBODY ever told me "hey, careful, there is no undo", and sincerely, > the Undo is such a damn BASIC thing in a looper (redo for me too, so I do > not understand why the LP2 has got no redo, I would prefer ONE layer of > undo plus redo rather than 30 layers of undo and no redo. the thing I most > liked on the boomerang was the undo/redo, you can correct a mistake with > the undo, or you can use the last overdub as if it was a separate loop, > muting and unmuting it with undo/redo, which is SUPER COOL). > ANd I did not ask, because I would have never ever ever ever expected that > a looper can have no undo, not something which costs 1200 euro! > But wathever. > I am loosing energy, smile and time. > I will probably give up, since I started all this music thing, I had just > problems. > I rather do carpenteer and forget about art, art sucks, as does my fucking > italian character. > And OT too! > > ------------------------------ > Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 15:25:45 -0800 > > Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack > From: toddbert@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > If you have specific needs in a product, it's best to research it to see > that the product fulfills those needs. Shelling out that much dough before > figuring that out is a recipe for disaster, and complaining that you failed > to read the manual does not help your case. There's lots of helpful folk on > this list, and at electron-forums, and in many other places that would have > helped you out. > > T > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Sergio Girardi wrote: > > Pag 2 of the manual, suggested uses of the Octatrack: the first suggested > use is LOOPER DEVICE. > So, do not tell me this please. > As also I would like to shut up (sorry, I am angry, normally I am nicer) > those who tell me "you should have read the manual before buying it, and > would have noticed the absence of reference to undo. > 200 pages of manual damn it! Are you kidding me? I still didnt read it all > after months! > Anyway. > I have decided to buy a proper looper battery operated. > I have read the thread best battery operated looper, but no comparison > made, just names. > The dl4 can be nice because I need a delay also but one loop is no deal. > The lil is ok but limited. > The lp2 can undo but not redo, uff... > > ------------------------------ > Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:00:25 -0800 > Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack > From: toddbert@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > An Octatrack is not a looper. It's a sampler which can do a few simple > looping tricks. > > T > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 2:11 AM, Sergio Girardi wrote: > > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH > > THis cannot be true, I must be having a nightmare! > How can I be so unlucky to fall from the Boomerang to something which > costs the double and cannot even UNDO a damn wrong overdub? > Did they ever had a looper in their hand before projecting the pickup > machines????????????????????? > Any cheap looper can Undo and a 1200 euro octatrack can undo lot of things > but not a overdub? > > Anders, did you find a workaround? > I try to figure out if I can use more tracks to workaround this but, > really I am absolutely and totally indigned with Elektron. > > > > > -- > http://toaster.bandcamp.com > > > > > -- > http://toaster.bandcamp.com > --047d7b6d9624362bc904d3e9a541 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Sergio = Girardi <simpliflying@gmail.com> wrote:
Tod, I did write a lot, here, and on Elektron forums, BEFORE.
I even wa= s writing with Chapelier Fou, do you know him? He was selling his OT on Ele= ktron forums.
He just told me not to buy the OT because Ableton was bett= er, but he told me it was because the OT is too linear for him, he needs to= build a song in a way that at the end he can recall a loop he played at th= e beginning (which he can with Ableton and Launchpad).
So, NOBODY ever told me "hey, careful, there is no undo", and sin= cerely, the Undo is such a damn BASIC thing in a looper (redo for me too, s= o I do not understand why the LP2 has got no redo, I would prefer ONE layer= of undo plus redo rather than 30 layers of undo and no redo. the thing I m= ost liked on the boomerang was the undo/redo, you can correct a mistake wit= h the undo, or you can use the last overdub as if it was a separate loop, m= uting and unmuting it with undo/redo, which is SUPER COOL).
ANd I did not ask, because I would have never ever ever ever expected that = a looper can have no undo, not something which costs 1200 euro!
But wath= ever.
I am loosing energy, smile and time.
I will probably give up, s= ince I started all this music thing, I had just problems.
I rather do carpenteer and forget about art, art sucks, as does my fucking = italian character.
And OT too!


Date: Tue, 22 = Jan 2013 15:25:45 -0800

Subject: Re: About the ab= sence of Undo in the Octatrack
From: toddbert@gmai= l.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

If you have s= pecific needs in a product, it's best to research it to see that the pr= oduct fulfills those needs. Shelling out that much dough before figuring th= at out is a recipe for disaster, and complaining that you failed to read th= e manual does not help your case. There's lots of helpful folk on this = list, and at electron-forums, and in many other places that would have help= ed you out.=A0

T

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Sergio G= irardi <simpliflying@gmail.com> wrote:
Pag 2 of the manual, suggested uses of the Octatrack: the first suggested u= se is LOOPER DEVICE.
So, do not tell me this please.
As also I would = like to shut up (sorry, I am angry, normally I am nicer) those who tell me = "you should have read the manual before buying it, and would have noti= ced the absence of reference to undo.
200 pages of manual damn it! Are you kidding me? I still didnt read it all = after months!
Anyway.
I have decided to buy a proper looper battery o= perated.
I have read the thread best battery operated looper, but no com= parison made, just names.
The dl4 can be nice because I need a delay also but one loop is no deal.The lil is ok but limited.
The lp2 can undo but not redo, uff...

Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:00:25 -0800
Subject: Re: = About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack
From: toddbert@gmai= l.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com


An Octatrack is not a looper. It's a sampler which can do a few sim= ple looping tricks.=A0

T

On Tue, Jan 22, 201= 3 at 2:11 AM, Sergio Girardi <simpliflying@gmail.com> w= rote:
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH

THi= s cannot be true, I must be having a nightmare!
How can I be so unlucky = to fall from the Boomerang to something which costs the double and cannot e= ven UNDO a damn wrong overdub?
Did they ever had a looper in their hand before projecting the pickup machi= nes?????????????????????
Any cheap looper can Undo and a 1200 euro octat= rack can undo lot of things but not a overdub?

Anders, did you find = a workaround?
I try to figure out if I can use more tracks to workaround this but, really= I am absolutely and totally indigned with Elektron.
<= /div>



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--047d7b6d9624362bc904d3e9a541-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 01:56:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13823183493; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 01:56:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=xsVy5msWrt0S+cohoe62e70e/kvU8gYKeud2ueP62zg=; b=QvTFAM6clauVRFBEkjjp3pxEMmVLe9aTuVojuNAxjwz642OySpbwb51qKyWWxaxmhy TykIOYcLMo3JG7XK4L+xFAa8iMP+jFwQIyVRFsFUxCp68ZGdpngXATL8jiOStpFOYQTT VNZDPnIfl/y916OnqNvhRlBLKZeZRCsxT9aagS1frciCvqkWQUWaaCpZU1cAbOGm9qj+ OkZKSXiS1d4GnVUuS6uLZNsGTrp7FGM7S0oi8YB/nu4Y7l0nAE4qtNERJUaTJGgDjhLK AgLoverXKfSWlQfw5vo8FAhiPwru+zysTcN/rZlmc/vumavUA85inGo5lY7VaIPhxTSz hNZg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.36.134 with SMTP id q6mr13579762igj.98.1358906197086; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:56:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:56:36 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: OT : OSC for beginners? From: Todd Elliott To: "loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340dd12910ab04d3eb01a4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 01:56:38 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340dd12910ab04d3eb01a4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Anyone got any good starting points for the wild world of OSC? Assume I barely know what OSC stands for. Specifically, I'll end up using it in Max. Assume I sort of understand that. Thanks, T -- http://toaster.bandcamp.com --14dae9340dd12910ab04d3eb01a4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone got any good starting points for the wild world of OSC? Assume I bar= ely know what OSC stands for. Specifically, I'll end up using it in Max= . Assume I sort of understand that.=A0

Thanks,

--14dae9340dd12910ab04d3eb01a4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 02:21:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAD41183494; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 02:21:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=nkryDagWhjKL8ngzyPoS8akvKSeS+Qsv97PGgQoy8EE=; b=E70UuKNFq1WaYldalJwXOM5Kxttale1I9sCrm9gTat1ucaY0m8U88769KL9N6AQ1Sv vMKOpcTqpbs1woGx+txdrJOYqBqKRdYuvL8qPo+a06xMmY3pwxxwsUmWKdIph6XccsrD qIU7QNDcH79AuZFLKxtw17SoloFZggOtToQriOP5bS7r+jk9lsNu+Cspz8gpB8coRd5k x4uv5h11crfaU75MAVCVRIv7GkFOVh/AFj/rhR5SEE38qsaIlWyJO6HKrrSIorQAApbQ 3heTFuxZF8/avc4PozYIgGXapg0D8o7Ee5c/IUl9QCJrHZopcdyDzp3SMvq5HMqLgEEl 3VCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.14.203.3 with SMTP id e3mr44663529eeo.9.1358907662869; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:21:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 21:21:02 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT : OSC for beginners? From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b343b2a87241f04d3eb5855 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 02:21:03 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b343b2a87241f04d3eb5855 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Todd timely you should post this. I was thinking out the same kind of reachout. I am using Mobius on Mac quite a bit right now. I got 'Control' a free iOS app for iPad and iPhone that allows OSC configuration. I am also very naive to this world but program and script in other forms. For relating to Mobius I think there are better apps but I thought I might explore the possibilities with this one. I will echo your post and ask if anyone has worked with 'Control'? Jim [Goodin] On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Todd Elliott wrote: > Anyone got any good starting points for the wild world of OSC? Assume I > barely know what OSC stands for. Specifically, I'll end up using it in Ma= x. > Assume I sort of understand that. > > Thanks, > > T > > -- > http://toaster.bandcamp.com > --=20 --=20 *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism' *The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music* - 'Organically inspired New Music' *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit *JDRF International * *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. --047d7b343b2a87241f04d3eb5855 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Todd timely you should post this. I was thinking out the same kind of reach= out. =A0I am using Mobius on Mac quite a bit right now. =A0I got 'Contr= ol' a free iOS app for iPad and iPhone that allows OSC configuration. = =A0I am also very naive to this world but program and script in other forms= . =A0For relating to Mobius I think there are better apps but I thought I m= ight explore the possibilities with this one.

I will echo your post and ask if anyone has worked with '= ;Control'?

Jim [Goodin]


On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Todd Elliott <tod= dbert@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone got any good starting points for the = wild world of OSC? Assume I barely know what OSC stands for. Specifically, = I'll end up using it in Max. Assume I sort of understand that.=A0

Thanks,




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jimgoodin.com= - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minima= lism'
=A0
The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music=A0- 'Org= anically inspired New Music'
=A0
From Brooklyn To Gl= indran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter = Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF International

Tips Across the Waters, a= new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.
--047d7b343b2a87241f04d3eb5855-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 02:35:33 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE164183494; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 02:35:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=gZwbZzOgRJbS4JCTufeGZ3t1C+98Th5LaIOibJ1pxBw=; b=CcIJ5vKpzTemfOcD+IgP+kV+bJz7+WtLE7J56dfnv55jjVCl90o/wY1ns3dDGTZEPB v9/Orcqeu5TlWj2rJwhClW9JUtxAZG1ecJuULgGV2fjvmdYDuRokasRXyGvAXH/v32Br j7b6SU75+uKHCwmpf01rm4AqBB6AAPuWg/5vZKLliUVxPWiW66ZWAmawsqtY8BLXoRGx 5VPA9hiqoWKSGmxsYtIUfgDIOtI4h0WbTlEbG6YyJDK3i12uLLUSQwgWUQyi4wNVeBSA JyJ5FXlgD+uWZm8sMIuXzpINfnajjj0r8ydm/3AMR/1hNYummuGVBriZesIMjldSmqdl 747g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.102.162 with SMTP id g34mr5990279qco.153.1358908533294; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:35:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 21:35:33 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT : OSC for beginners? From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=002354470e8c68c64904d3eb8cc7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 02:35:33 +0000 (UTC) --002354470e8c68c64904d3eb8cc7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 All your OSC devices and software have an IP address, it might look like this: 192.168,2,12 Your device is listening on a port (say 8000) and sending on another (say 9000). So if you want to reach the above device, you need to connect to 192.168.2.12:8000. When that device is sending out messages, it will send it to the port 9000 of the other device. So that device needs to receive on 9000 and send on 8000. Parameters are selected by their address. If you want to move a slider on the above device, you could send 192.168.2.12:8000/slider x (where x is the value you want to set the slider to). You can say that slider is the message and x is the value. Values can be floats, integers, strings, blobs, midi notes and probably some other things I don't know about. Obviously, you can't send any value types to any address (well you can, but don't expect anything good). I'd be happy to answer more specific questions, or if you need to be walked through a certain setup. (I'll take this opportunity to plug my own little OSC apps for iOS: http://oscnotation.sylvainpoitras.com/ http://breakosc.sylvainpoitras.com/ ) Sylvain --002354470e8c68c64904d3eb8cc7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All your OSC devices and software have an IP address, it m= ight look like this: 192.168,2,12

Your device is l= istening on a port (say 8000) and sending on another (say 9000). =A0So if y= ou want to reach the above device, you need to connect to 192.168.2.12:8000. =A0When that device is sending o= ut messages, it will send it to the port 9000 of the other device. =A0So th= at device needs to receive on 9000 and send on 8000.

Parameters are selected by their address. = =A0If you want to move a slider on the above device, you could send 192.168.2.12:8000/slider x (where = x is the value you want to set the slider to). =A0

You can say that slider is the message and = x is the value. =A0Values can be floats, integers, strings, blobs, midi not= es and probably some other things I don't know about. =A0Obviously, you= can't send any value types to any address (well you can, but don't= expect anything good).

I'd be happy to answer more specific qu= estions, or if you need to be walked through a certain setup.

(I'll take this opportunity to plug my own litt= le OSC apps for iOS:=A0
<= div style>
Sylvain

--002354470e8c68c64904d3eb8cc7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 02:58:15 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADB32183490; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 02:58:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 479 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 02:58:15 UTC X-EIP: [B51S4vSgdR07Wdcze5VFymhl1519VsGM] X-Originating-Email: [joy_top@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Subject: Re: Boss Tera Delay (new, slight OT) From: joy_top top Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 20:50:15 -0600 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2013 02:50:15.0289 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F0BE690:01CDF914] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 02:58:15 +0000 (UTC) Like that it is stereo. Might work well in the feedback loop of the RC-50 wh= en it goes over 100%. denis Sent from the star cluster Memory Alpha From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 03:26:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 106F3183490; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 03:26:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/EH7YpxcNsldtYA4ddX36Q9/NK4hLIklAVKoz0+1hos=; b=y8tX9ZCq6Xl2kecAnm6lVVXgDLng6ygfi/jUqdZuNtM1sYbiNwFNzyF5OWTAtVOjLu 8iOBdKlgP4vDSFjQ0ON31pZB07sq1Jls8KxnV/O+V6qBzDGv+N7SoMs3rj8zxbemdIiY KnYhRiHaPedrKf15mHEVQNqrc47rci1+PyDBoscbKqR+p916/4U7cPXDuPh7N0Fpni13 Tg1hvi3rDrTSJSJ/g6CV/URiEL19HPulBT1vxybEA0dUGSbLB/MESo51hUtYlSnEmTSO wFx5PbU8HXRjQVpx+CZf3gQcWQKpGmRro1iGL6ZxFX+eZmXs6IX2iEm5bTkh8tkA4SXT LRqw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.14.174.132 with SMTP id x4mr79232101eel.39.1358911564037; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:26:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:26:03 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT : OSC for beginners? From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b621de20e3fe704d3ec412d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 03:26:05 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b621de20e3fe704d3ec412d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sylvain thank you for the insight. Some of that I had dug up and began to set up on this app I ref'd however I was just beginning to see the scripting at least what is posted by Circularlabs and the 2.5 v of Mobius. I will check out your apps as well. I have pubbed one, non musical and was a first project to get out there. Link below. For last several weeks I've been working through Chris Adamson/Kevin Avilla's 'Learning Core Audio' dealing with API for OS X and iOS and I'm pretty wide-eyed excited about it as planning to go after musical ideas. Anywho thanks for this input. Jim Tips Across the Waters - http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tips-across-the-waters/id474128076?=3Dmt8 On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > All your OSC devices and software have an IP address, it might look like > this: 192.168,2,12 > > Your device is listening on a port (say 8000) and sending on another (say > 9000). So if you want to reach the above device, you need to connect to > 192.168.2.12:8000. When that device is sending out messages, it will > send it to the port 9000 of the other device. So that device needs to > receive on 9000 and send on 8000. > > Parameters are selected by their address. If you want to move a slider o= n > the above device, you could send 192.168.2.12:8000/slider x (where x is > the value you want to set the slider to). > > You can say that slider is the message and x is the value. Values can be > floats, integers, strings, blobs, midi notes and probably some other thin= gs > I don't know about. Obviously, you can't send any value types to any > address (well you can, but don't expect anything good). > > I'd be happy to answer more specific questions, or if you need to be > walked through a certain setup. > > (I'll take this opportunity to plug my own little OSC apps for iOS: > http://oscnotation.sylvainpoitras.com/ > http://breakosc.sylvainpoitras.com/ ) > > Sylvain > > --=20 --=20 *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism' *The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music* - 'Organically inspired New Music' *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit *JDRF International * *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. --047d7b621de20e3fe704d3ec412d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sylvain thank you for the insight. =A0Some of that I had dug up and began t= o set up on this app I ref'd however I was just beginning to see the sc= ripting at least what is posted by Circularlabs and the 2.5 v of Mobius. = =A0I will check out your apps as well. =A0I have pubbed one, non musical an= d was a first project to get out there. =A0Link below. =A0For last several = weeks I've been working through Chris Adamson/Kevin Avilla's 'L= earning Core Audio' dealing with API for OS X and iOS and I'm prett= y wide-eyed excited about it as planning to go after musical ideas. =A0Anyw= ho thanks for this input.

Jim


On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Sylvain Poi= tras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com> wrote:
All your OSC devices and software have an IP address, it m= ight look like this: 192.168,2,12

Your device is listeni= ng on a port (say 8000) and sending on another (say 9000). =A0So if you wan= t to reach the above device, you need to connect to 192.168.2.12:8000. =A0When that device = is sending out messages, it will send it to the port 9000 of the other devi= ce. =A0So that device needs to receive on 9000 and send on 8000.

Parameters are selected by their address. =A0If you wan= t to move a slider on the above device, you could send 192.168.2.12:8000/slider x (w= here x is the value you want to set the slider to). =A0

You can say that slider is the message and x is the val= ue. =A0Values can be floats, integers, strings, blobs, midi notes and proba= bly some other things I don't know about. =A0Obviously, you can't s= end any value types to any address (well you can, but don't expect anyt= hing good).

I'd be happy to answer more specific questions, or = if you need to be walked through a certain setup.

= (I'll take this opportunity to plug my own little OSC apps for iOS:=A0<= /div>

Sylvain




--
--
jimgoodin.com= - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minima= lism'
=A0
The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music=A0- 'Org= anically inspired New Music'
=A0
From Brooklyn To Gl= indran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter = Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF International

Tips Across the Waters, a= new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.
--047d7b621de20e3fe704d3ec412d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 03:37:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BEC5183493; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 03:37:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=oVRhvJbU95E9yy9sKjOatFyCrE/g1XzNYkKpLn8o/00=; b=DWKBowwmDFKwRUk6G2Tz/KbexDhIuYGF+5tzZA/aqlNXlGT3W1zIfhDnnYy2kh7T0A kf41GhI73eXfzUJsAm6IOyfjscj0jGQeD2DMbtTHKlm86pTMARxRo+F7YX25wX3dClIL UH5+OVk4AOTXF+s4VQ09PtYJR+bCLNWJeMkz6mx4hui8VQdBbORuhWKqpsrUVAkN2kSx mPIvmminzHTtgtvmxMQ5ky+F7yDEHSm8pyr4+nWnnuk7d/g//MvsNN9/yKPUR3lMUuQ3 kEQZwQwKtZGfwvzP9AAP9F8/t3MHTbhgS3asRoDPPTgaDVbGsw4/7I+Er7s9CECVpXB/ kNHQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.197.135 with SMTP id iu7mr13633238igc.85.1358912225448; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:37:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:37:05 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT : OSC for beginners? From: Todd Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae934084d7a918a04d3ec68b1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 03:37:06 +0000 (UTC) --14dae934084d7a918a04d3ec68b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The demo video for break OSC has taught me that I will never pronounce 'bidule' correctly. Ever. So, I take it that things like /slider x are values which are determined by the device used? And said device should have a reference somewhere? T On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > http://breakosc.sylvainpoitras.com/ -- http://toaster.bandcamp.com --14dae934084d7a918a04d3ec68b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The demo video for break OSC has taught me that I will never pronounce '= ;bidule' correctly. Ever.

So, I take it that things = like /slider x are values which are determined by the device used? And said= device should have a reference somewhere?

T

On Tue, Jan 22, 2= 013 at 6:35 PM, Sylvain Poitras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
http://breakosc.sylvainpoitras.com/
<= /div>



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--14dae934084d7a918a04d3ec68b1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 03:38:58 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DA11183494; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 03:38:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=2IrJM26AIEzj01ih+deo3UoRS/sU/iOPAG76Ds30mmY=; b=VU9MVD9HatGSOshl5qGJvS9fDBEWxDeLXnoO5kAXlG85YN0iAXcssNjZr6HUGY3nG9 FrwQsWPGw6YYDhnfvlBpt0cXDPPI4ctsRthBy0E157UEO0cfNlFv7XWWDelFJEcaaNPk 45ZlVuxPMm1TCRERadSM30dqtlU4/Ug/jOvvMNSdRURqGRkdlQcPoYfEIQ1Zi+O1PKl+ CySfEm/QRp4iKUAjI6vl04bO89k65ZktosE+31pSFBAF8alCoGgePcGjB8kcHeShKe2D XQPWB0T1Qj6jIV3nB3IhGZiZKnoBSNvLoD4hi5X0slBvVxe0v8gZA83W/6Q1Zc4XVEzM lL2Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.76.166 with SMTP id c38mr6088435qck.63.1358912337867; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:38:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:38:57 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT : OSC for beginners? From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=002354471a002df36504d3ec6f46 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 03:38:58 +0000 (UTC) --002354471a002df36504d3ec6f46 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > >>Chris Adamson/Kevin Avilla's 'Learning Core Audio' Yeah, I've had that book sitting on my desk for the last couple months. I've been toying with the idea of recreating some of my bidule patches as audio units to make them more CPU friendly. And of course, to move beyond the OSC apps into music processing, I need to have a better understanding of Core Audio. Another good book is "The Audio Programming Book" (Boulanger & Lazzarini). It's all about messing with samples using C, so it's more general than that core audio book. Lots of good algorithms, though. I look forward to your music apps! Sylvain --002354471a002df36504d3ec6f46 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>Chris Adamson/Kevin Avilla's 'Learning Core Audio'=A0

Yeah, I've had that book sitting o= n my desk for the last couple months. =A0I've been toying with the idea= of recreating some of my bidule patches as audio units to make them more C= PU friendly. =A0And of course, to move beyond the OSC apps into music proce= ssing, I need to have a better understanding of Core Audio.

Another good book is "The Audio Progra= mming Book" (Boulanger & Lazzarini). =A0It's all about messing= with samples using C, so it's more general than that core audio book. = =A0Lots of good algorithms, though.

I look forward to your music apps!

Sylvain

<= br>
--002354471a002df36504d3ec6f46-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 03:50:07 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06A0D183497; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 03:50:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=6mfhn5v7zwgR0X9usoV62uJIa1ZiimA+nKLzv09gNxY=; b=b40fk4XklcDEgu3ttXBL2+kPoBxykVR/GRx/3jDvEtsnygT2fy0t+8v1lCThVbDgSt hw0ssB2BtTD6M4LjGTU3x1aF/k9w7fCKC2Y4tDkLF7SS3fGTzBlbgZaytO0mgc1ukDMK xk+jptz96nkZUGr6rIRnX/RlzTBFtVmKRDkYnJblFKQe9GiIyRmSVg4VIMLgj1CI/ix6 gNn3YRBRmiZDuuk2j1jKsMNMCKKGllckPwiS+ihgHnMENDi56V1MuMC9XcpxHUUvHi9d A8CQkpMpEM4TOxjBzwxWgQ8ULCGUekBn64cHntHV9lcrTwdDSuCAiMWxGEtVr8KFs/Vb Onew== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.128.37 with SMTP id nl5mr29964806qeb.59.1358913006488; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:50:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:50:06 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT : OSC for beginners? From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b676e6e084bfa04d3ec975c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 03:50:06 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b676e6e084bfa04d3ec975c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Adresses are sometimes determined by the device/software your targeting. For instance, the reference manual for OSC in Mobius makes those adresses pretty clear: http://www.circularlabs.com/doc/v2/osc.htm (great job Jeff). If you use touchOSC, you specify those adresses when you create them in the template editor. Not sure how you do it in Max, but you probably name them somehow. Bidule has an amazing OSC implementation... each level of a group corresponds to a level in the adress. For instance, if you have a gate named MIDI in a group name HUD), clicking on the gate will send out /HUD/MIDI 1 to whatever OSC client is assigned to that group. Very elegant. One more thing to note, many software or devices (Osculator, missinglink, mobius) expect to receive a float value between 0.0 and 1.0 and will scale the parameters from that value. What are you looking to do with OSC? (and have you left audiomulch behind?) Sylvain --047d7b676e6e084bfa04d3ec975c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Adresses are sometimes determined by the device/software y= our targeting. For instance, the reference manual for OSC in Mobius makes t= hose adresses pretty clear:=A0http://www.circularlabs.com/doc/v2/osc.htm (great job Jeff).<= div>
If you use touchOSC, you specify those adresses when you cre= ate them in the template editor.

Not sure how you = do it in Max, but you probably name them somehow. =A0Bidule has an amazing = OSC implementation... =A0each level of a group corresponds to a level in th= e adress. =A0For instance, if you have a gate named MIDI in a group name HU= D), clicking on the gate will send out /HUD/MIDI 1 to whatever OSC client i= s assigned to that group. =A0Very elegant.

One more thing to note, many software or devices (Oscul= ator, missinglink, mobius) expect to receive a float value between 0.0 and = 1.0 and will scale the parameters from that value.

What are you looking to do with OSC? =A0(and have you left audio= mulch behind?)

Sylvain


=
--047d7b676e6e084bfa04d3ec975c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 04:12:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4C14183494; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 04:12:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=EVqTP4nLwOYtiAGCNiHupNxLeS0k5hdZpLvA6PIHWNU=; b=LzZ2PYb6OnrqQukMOXDD+//ZWLHsdRrpygGsenWaA8g+KG0pFrUsbYSajHFJ5ic7R1 W4Bg0hmjoIIGG5FG05fwZwQunv5UmGCuoPrbmhBBEEQalE/gxij/Ag1ozGX1SaFLXuoG JqK39NRYuX7oYmXNkYLECeYBHcVVviA4eFhYZaRu3nTRIwUpZZ0utYxFniPfcSbWGS8K LsnhUXnRYjgSXPeAjH5oSTWPIQ3yDaGpBTxnmSqfantIXmQdJenfh1KcYhw+cxHS8zuo ROZV9DHuj5IcvFtB6B/eAkm4QfwizsdPykTwYBQuwePJ/V3NrzXoZ14pp/lNnB9uEKf/ CMVQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.51.231 with SMTP id n7mr13671854igo.85.1358913987778; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 20:06:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 20:06:27 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT : OSC for beginners? From: Todd Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340f0f859a7e04d3ecd1d5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 04:12:24 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340f0f859a7e04d3ecd1d5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 No, I still like audiomulch for a lot of things, and it's still my default drone factory. As for what I want to do with OSC? I want to learn the basics. ;-). My first thought was to use it to use a grid controller to switch programs on a drum machine to use while 'jamming stuff out'. Also, bidule's OSC implementation is a hell of a lot easier than Max's. I actually am getting things to occur there. Need to poke around the internet a bit more to fiddle with. T On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > Adresses are sometimes determined by the device/software your targeting. > For instance, the reference manual for OSC in Mobius makes those adresses > pretty clear: http://www.circularlabs.com/doc/v2/osc.htm (great job Jeff). > > If you use touchOSC, you specify those adresses when you create them in > the template editor. > > Not sure how you do it in Max, but you probably name them somehow. Bidule > has an amazing OSC implementation... each level of a group corresponds to > a level in the adress. For instance, if you have a gate named MIDI in a > group name HUD), clicking on the gate will send out /HUD/MIDI 1 to whatever > OSC client is assigned to that group. Very elegant. > > One more thing to note, many software or devices (Osculator, missinglink, > mobius) expect to receive a float value between 0.0 and 1.0 and will scale > the parameters from that value. > > What are you looking to do with OSC? (and have you left audiomulch > behind?) > > Sylvain > > > -- http://toaster.bandcamp.com --14dae9340f0f859a7e04d3ecd1d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, I still like audiomulch for a lot of things, and it's still my defa= ult drone factory. As for what I want to do with OSC? I want to learn the b= asics. ;-). My first thought was to use it to use a grid controller to swit= ch programs on a drum machine to use while 'jamming stuff out'.=A0<= div>
Also, bidule's OSC implementation is a hell of a lot eas= ier than Max's. I actually am getting things to occur there. Need to po= ke around the internet a bit more to fiddle with.

T

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Sylvai= n Poitras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com> wrote:
Adresses are sometimes determined by the device/software y= our targeting. For instance, the reference manual for OSC in Mobius makes t= hose adresses pretty clear:=A0http://www.circularlabs.com/doc/v2/osc.htm = (great job Jeff).

If you use touchOSC, you specify those adresses when you cre= ate them in the template editor.

Not sure how you = do it in Max, but you probably name them somehow. =A0Bidule has an amazing = OSC implementation... =A0each level of a group corresponds to a level in th= e adress. =A0For instance, if you have a gate named MIDI in a group name HU= D), clicking on the gate will send out /HUD/MIDI 1 to whatever OSC client i= s assigned to that group. =A0Very elegant.

One more thing to note, many software or devices (Oscul= ator, missinglink, mobius) expect to receive a float value between 0.0 and = 1.0 and will scale the parameters from that value.

What are you looking to do with OSC? =A0(and have you left audiomulch = behind?)

Sylvain





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--14dae9340f0f859a7e04d3ecd1d5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 04:18:37 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43286183492; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 04:18:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=dKj5Xlj/1Q4Gf7Wpe++fjvxw5ZTwl2B0WweoLOAiGlA=; b=OnuddztCEK5fkLfigZy8F18+bLhWc8wySwj+q3WkM3n4lAxGXUn8oij1KM6BJbaVKT KKPP0bXkco9yqvlEC+p4tBCwAfiB6xfuXwTqXRL9ye4CVo+doTQ/eXIZdbU9h+t6LjSr Edl9d2mAyIw3iSIstN3L6i0xGshNtkkzu01tH5Iw84TLJbn4AMV3YVI84SRcIvQbK9kb OwBcMsKoaOOjwvPflT4juVjsTzDmB3PLEcpjunelxXtCnKAnKdKwCOKtKYD3mz9ldflW kfzJMgeNRJmzaUEDtwanjgYEXgmOCFJwQbJEwpw5zyIUmdanCq78t7e4zu9YIsDf9FcV sXjw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.14.174.132 with SMTP id x4mr79649749eel.39.1358914716313; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 20:18:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 23:18:36 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT : OSC for beginners? From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b621de2f2283e04d3ecfcb6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 04:18:37 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b621de2f2283e04d3ecfcb6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sylvian thanks for the thoughts - just catching up and perhaps this is venturing OT but re the books I have found this one ref'ed excellent. I am mid-way in it and have been fighting with Xcode to walk the line between C and C++. Most of the projects in the book are command line level programs. This particular project is involving the AUGraph and leads you through recording input from whatever the default source is be it mic/line/USB, playback of that, then leads you to being able to mix sources bringing in the synthetic speech and to mix with the recorded source, illustrating the 3 concepts. He uses a ringbuffer for part of the project and particularly Apple's CARingBuffer which is C++. All of the other projects have been easy to follow and straightforward but this one more challenging at least for me to wrap around (ch 8). I have got it to compile but still battling some linking issues which are probably an overlook of a framework but still fishing. Sorry to wax on I'm sure I'm about to get a 'what the hell has that to do with looo....' apologies. Know the other book but have not read but plan to. Thanks again for some clarity of OSC as in mind I'm going 'okay' so i can get there. In answer to your question of what I'm looking for, for me at least at the present, controlling Mobius to some degree. I have not expensed for an actual foot controller but have used a 4 function pedal pod to keyboard via USB that Rainer pointed me to couple years back. For what it is it works for me. That said I have an iPad and use it a lot for a range of things, some recording some online, testing apps, etc but it seems the perfect touch controller. Jim On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Sylvain Poitras < sylvain.trombone@gmail.com> wrote: > Adresses are sometimes determined by the device/software your targeting. > For instance, the reference manual for OSC in Mobius makes those adresses > pretty clear: http://www.circularlabs.com/doc/v2/osc.htm (great job Jeff)= . > > If you use touchOSC, you specify those adresses when you create them in > the template editor. > > Not sure how you do it in Max, but you probably name them somehow. Bidul= e > has an amazing OSC implementation... each level of a group corresponds t= o > a level in the adress. For instance, if you have a gate named MIDI in a > group name HUD), clicking on the gate will send out /HUD/MIDI 1 to whatev= er > OSC client is assigned to that group. Very elegant. > > One more thing to note, many software or devices (Osculator, missinglink, > mobius) expect to receive a float value between 0.0 and 1.0 and will scal= e > the parameters from that value. > > What are you looking to do with OSC? (and have you left audiomulch > behind?) > > Sylvain > > > --=20 --=20 *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism' *The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music* - 'Organically inspired New Music' *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit *JDRF International * *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. --047d7b621de2f2283e04d3ecfcb6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sylvian thanks for the thoughts - just catching up and perhaps this is vent= uring OT but re the books I have found this one ref'ed excellent. =A0I = am mid-way in it and have been fighting with Xcode to walk the line between= C and C++. =A0Most of the projects in the book are command line level prog= rams. =A0This particular project is involving the AUGraph and leads you thr= ough recording input from whatever the default source is be it mic/line/USB= , playback of that, then leads you to being able to mix sources bringing in= the synthetic speech and to mix with the recorded source, illustrating the= 3 concepts. =A0He uses a ringbuffer for part of the project and particular= ly Apple's CARingBuffer which is C++. =A0All of the other projects have= been easy to follow and straightforward but this one more challenging at l= east for me to wrap around (ch 8). =A0I have got it to compile but still ba= ttling some linking issues which are probably an overlook of a framework bu= t still fishing.

Sorry to wax on I'm sure I'm about to get a 'wha= t the hell has that to do with looo....' apologies. =A0Know the other b= ook but have not read but plan to.

Thanks again fo= r some clarity of OSC as in mind I'm going 'okay' so i can get = there. =A0In answer to your question of what I'm looking for, for me at= least at the present, controlling Mobius to some degree. =A0I have not exp= ensed for an actual foot controller but have used a 4 function pedal pod to= keyboard via USB that Rainer pointed me to couple years back. =A0For what = it is it works for me. =A0That said I have an iPad and use it a lot for a r= ange of things, some recording some online, testing apps, etc but it seems = the perfect touch controller.

Jim

On Tue, Jan 22, 2= 013 at 10:50 PM, Sylvain Poitras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:
Adresses are sometimes dete= rmined by the device/software your targeting. For instance, the reference m= anual for OSC in Mobius makes those adresses pretty clear:=A0http://www.circu= larlabs.com/doc/v2/osc.htm (great job Jeff).

If you use touchOSC, you specify those adresses when you cre= ate them in the template editor.

Not sure how you = do it in Max, but you probably name them somehow. =A0Bidule has an amazing = OSC implementation... =A0each level of a group corresponds to a level in th= e adress. =A0For instance, if you have a gate named MIDI in a group name HU= D), clicking on the gate will send out /HUD/MIDI 1 to whatever OSC client i= s assigned to that group. =A0Very elegant.

One more thing to note, many software or devices (Oscul= ator, missinglink, mobius) expect to receive a float value between 0.0 and = 1.0 and will scale the parameters from that value.

What are you looking to do with OSC? =A0(and have you left audiomulch = behind?)

Sylvain





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jimgoodin.com= - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minima= lism'
=A0
The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music=A0- 'Org= anically inspired New Music'
=A0
From Brooklyn To Gl= indran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter = Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF International

Tips Across the Waters, a= new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.
--047d7b621de2f2283e04d3ecfcb6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 05:46:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA945183493; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 05:46:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to :to:references:message-id:x-mailer:x-gm-message-state; bh=JyOcIDTihazQleemz18dvE70TSVuPNIjEJtuXT2vbtc=; b=d+NcYMsr4v/4N1Y0nbIfK6hV2kbZi8e/L3UaTomCWoFWTnFwB8fa7cdvSnGnEXyOFC UAS7j9KxPWA84E1Cxp7DAd0/R7PtcNNnqpf8fyFnc5olSj3lib01lBL66HnnfsyCRHbS UQ81EgRfOK9bnfFgj2SApBuB6ln5OpnlO04rBtNsMdh74n3A6All+Zb6JyV9sE0SzHCS 2L6tJWhd4jQvE4mP4TTyB+REWqN0jIf+wk8bi7EWCyYigVEwnyQd7luvkF5OV0GAr3sZ HQwYvTEePcuZFp35ntMLEeoTCLZlKxof6slbLI2NOuVyeqlDP9lUw9w/McFUdAUom32Y AxpQ== X-Received: by 10.224.179.205 with SMTP id br13mr545146qab.37.1358919961853; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 21:46:01 -0800 (PST) From: "teddyjam.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-508154271 Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:45:59 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: ,,, Message-Id: <9DDA78B8-A7B8-4299-AEF8-C1E3168C384F@teddyjam.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmK9kPPv9yKR3pp75hQfMuOXQcyan+YTUEt5iA6+oOaj0gykD33ijMRdvphng+PYKScP0FX Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 05:46:02 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7-508154271 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ****don't give into the temptation, don't say it... don't say it... = don't.... don't say "stop making mistakes then you won't need undo".... = don't say it, don't say it**** Teddy On Jan 22, 2013, at 6:44 PM, Sergio Girardi wrote: > you can correct a mistake with the undo --Apple-Mail-7-508154271 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
****don't give into the temptation, don't say it... don't say = it... don't.... don't say "stop making mistakes then you won't need = undo".... don't say it, don't say it****

you can correct a mistake with the = undo

= --Apple-Mail-7-508154271-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 06:17:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 626AB183494; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 06:17:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=RODbWYu+w0yRvfasTqxCS/GWRWtno70K5u/lOerXoH4=; b=e5OZqby7KcQOW51XHlO/RfT/MYYlAbE0Bb95LItBtrjWTOQyth0kP1Xc9EqDdtEImi ZA9MDtzikQtl9Vute/1wNKwaTymk6c5WuVHIfRtT/Q5dhbPha0oKmRR1UZlJeX4/oNr8 s4vRZxXqgu/+q/EOdL4fGuYmpKSVQK7XN0eNdJ+y2CAwJqSvoUWJiHx49ZgVuXs0lHn8 6oeZcb9Vs6F15fXidi5xNNAMzknjRuQzoWp1+AgMFtvKasg2d/Izf3OLrpv4R43PmOkT w4nti6NNRLW8tEMUiIRc0p6DVSrhMKJryU59r5YbixXwUSc6D87f9pXatV0uJayXVa5V vPIA== X-Received: by 10.68.138.195 with SMTP id qs3mr597633pbb.62.1358921841266; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:17:21 -0800 (PST) References: From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 07:17:16 +0100 Message-ID: <-3592093310450732824@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 06:17:22 +0000 (UTC) Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 23 Jan 2013, at 00:11, Sergio Girardi wrote: > The lp2 can undo but not redo, uff... Can anything REDO actually? My repeater can do ONE layer.... but how many loopers let you undo THEN redo. M From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 06:42:13 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C1E4183494; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 06:42:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1358923331; bh=YXFx8odGD5SIOpZ6ymDJ+11MGCX6TqXgA5V8mV4gRW4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer; b=c6a/EmwrqxP5itzWVK4VZdZqVn5UR7mI50YTRcpe4heCOIKxQIQrW7sIa4iEeSF3PApjAz8UtLtnYTeDLHIKHxC+iAL0EGxqarakO+VE0N5IBAcPJ2kXVhlz481fjzL2/G+bPsT5aTshsQtga6CX/yupMgLGsG+VxhSDzrogUKk= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 769194.95299.bm@smtp105.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 5lUAGc4VM1lFNWsuUEusom4IzCivysqwqHBVLKZpSX5Vfej mpQF_f58cxc8NPDgbcHONpb0Mgz6G8k2KJYXhnfUNY3Zy_DF0dvJlmvba0cf M5sfbb.NL09.u73q1bhbdXrOf_SFnd4BQ1DZ4l_hXDBDiDJLisJwChv7C476 a.U77W.NXFopoiohMYSxLFvM4x8Ab1zism7UQjKnEV6Q_zTiV.6IMKEpt.7u 7Jf3nJhWVsQX2crSdWmAPeduGD04z_X20pXLwaMZbQwuen0ca18Qc1prTTSA 6Vhgan7V0h3EZkgpwmIMXCrsxVc5j2q2AXSFMCaPSD8R6RWGQSwaY9P4dsVh Plr9WjQTEc7Bg6dL72STjFtCiRTO7IDDj2Wgb5XG.PL_oJfHCd0JBpKZlQwz x8aMKxXY8Mdl3gRFAAOAiqURspftB4SriG1MMIMnUwbpWSlI- X-Yahoo-SMTP: ILs26NSswBDuK82.iJb8TCN7cubm0SmUbZYidhSBIQ-- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack From: Laurie Amat In-Reply-To: <-3592093310450732824@unknownmsgid> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:42:10 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <2511051B-9091-4A4C-ACCA-389E3125579F@att.net> References: <-3592093310450732824@unknownmsgid> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 06:42:13 +0000 (UTC) I'm still learning my new M-9, but doesn't that allow? On Jan 22, 2013, at 10:17 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Sent from my (advertisement removed) > > On 23 Jan 2013, at 00:11, Sergio Girardi wrote: > >> The lp2 can undo but not redo, uff... > > Can anything REDO actually? My repeater can do ONE layer.... but how > many loopers let you undo THEN redo. > > M > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 06:54:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56099183493; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 06:54:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=BaeyQCL2kKefHUzZL7817dHbvoK06dXJVCygAgOB+yY=; b=Rx8M5/2D5XgqBT3yaCwvLK+sxaHByTOuXsrJaHTQ7l1rGmmNwfuDeEPvDqZTC1wbS0 6rgdyacF13UwYjHoB5VwV4cFPLLNSas7c7Kh64HgnDm8Lzy7Njy2YVmXBG/cX5GqPk/q 18UAi396wcwjPjJiTvD6XUmzshx7liJ1ZBacNcKGdLjUkz8rbio6cVQTfJYHvI8CcX+N d3SIkCP08n+vOQk7xjfR0frVZX/L260SFTSL2QeKCo9dFKqUehKNUe2usS4VJsZant7W q3eXvIJwOxHCaIFyHqpGZePtH64CtnhdciCJA29o6cVWIu2f18SYwf9KuN+ezvUqLhA9 9Hpg== X-Received: by 10.68.190.227 with SMTP id gt3mr976994pbc.5.1358924041388; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:54:01 -0800 (PST) References: <-3592093310450732824@unknownmsgid> <2511051B-9091-4A4C-ACCA-389E3125579F@att.net> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: <2511051B-9091-4A4C-ACCA-389E3125579F@att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 07:53:58 +0100 Message-ID: <-4740473110609417031@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 06:54:02 +0000 (UTC) I made my question sound like incredulity, it was a genuine question? how many loopers have re do? Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 23 Jan 2013, at 07:42, Laurie Amat wrote: > I'm still learning my new M-9, but doesn't that allow? > On Jan 22, 2013, at 10:17 PM, mark francombe wrote: > >> Sent from my (advertisement removed) >> >> On 23 Jan 2013, at 00:11, Sergio Girardi wrote: >> >>> The lp2 can undo but not redo, uff... >> >> Can anything REDO actually? My repeater can do ONE layer.... but how >> many loopers let you undo THEN redo. >> >> M > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 09:19:12 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B540818348B; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 09:19:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=WGEeG4658Uy8dP9DTHTRFID5988qNfedAy+IkSnUXZA=; b=uBzvz40TCPZxqNeRJh8gOX+lBB1Kaly3cfFFi5HeoNiM8usCStm9K2n59OPoHqHu7I wwvrdRWLcrQAPcgET/pvDQEhX8QjuC33ojMjKslsSq/exx4I1A8aTtHD1Iy85mfCjV1J EFx9EEjzzc0I/iilY1JL863/7UZCscTlUjoJV+9CZ0wsA9JuA7ZjTVY2IFoltfUehYih XcMop7q83uukGM5zSdE1mwJBAUP54QjmyQmROZH7MnkmjRfpo6W84HvML/A+Myr9orFp n2M3GrzhCBCBKIPu3SNjj+gN1h29QOx8z1reL4GyFLqWa/mHtWy2qMU123UwOPfVS18b 4ZQQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.190.19 with SMTP id gm19mr446328obc.34.1358932751654; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 01:19:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9DDA78B8-A7B8-4299-AEF8-C1E3168C384F@teddyjam.com> References: <9DDA78B8-A7B8-4299-AEF8-C1E3168C384F@teddyjam.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 10:19:11 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack From: Ser Yo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04448083ef9eb704d3f12ff4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 09:19:12 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04448083ef9eb704d3f12ff4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Man, it is 36 years that I try not to make mistakes, but unfortunately I do make them, often the same ones :) I wait for Anders to understand from him how he uses the OT with no undo. But as you are so sure that one can do no mistakes (sure? Todd, live performance, you get excited, no mistakes, ever?), I am interested in knowing, from you and from the others, what else apart for the practice could you suggest to organize the workflow with a looper with no undo, to avoid being in a situation where you build a wonderful loop and at the last overdub you mess it up. 2013/1/23 teddyjam.com > ****don't give into the temptation, don't say it... don't say it... > don't.... don't say "stop making mistakes then you won't need undo".... > don't say it, don't say it**** > > Teddy > > On Jan 22, 2013, at 6:44 PM, Sergio Girardi wrote: > > you can correct a mistake with the undo > > > --f46d04448083ef9eb704d3f12ff4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Man, it is 36 years that I try not to make mistakes, but unfortunately I do= make them, often the same ones :)
I wait for Anders to understand from = him how he uses the OT with no undo.
But as you are so sure that one can= do no mistakes (sure? Todd, live performance, you get excited, no mistakes= , ever?), I am interested in knowing, from you and from the others, what el= se apart for the practice could you suggest to organize the workflow with a= looper with no undo, to avoid being in a situation where you build a wonde= rful loop and at the last overdub you mess it up.

2013/1/23 te= ddyjam.com <teddy@teddyjam.com>
= ****don't give into the temptation, don&= #39;t say it... don't say it... don't.... don't say "stop = making mistakes then you won't need undo".... don't say it, do= n't say it****
=
Teddy

On Jan 22, 2013, at 6:44 PM, Sergio Girardi wrote:

<= blockquote type=3D"cite"><= span style=3D"font-family:Tahoma;font-size:13px">you can correct a mistake = with the undo


--f46d04448083ef9eb704d3f12ff4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 09:25:33 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C309183492; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 09:25:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=6NhMXUmroaKdLIdNKWCPtp0nx3BRYYjqv8+1qGhmmxI=; b=zav0CAL9UFzsvVVDObkrzVjbjwkX+xlNJbqRE3i/S8hQpY+L73wsvU2i/is/q3Utco arhkZOVKhMwmeg698YgiCtJfhIOffwALWw/ueqtWQQtsZ6fYSyg47AaXolxezjX9+OLq 43oSTC5WQe68cMQnrTAdzgSJLppJcOiSr8jvoN+XrhcxiYHyaPcVBjdqfqSaMj76OnqI TdQDCkp4x9H7OujxrWCAVSNLI//FZIBgYWO0ur3zDLqHz38bypQJzIVAH0VXRQ4y9C4f ciki5AEItCkIRtaijEWJe4oWPhqAUZfTX3pq11ycpivT9rnNVhcr+hDetfdPHfcJ1sQA 8Nxw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.31.68 with SMTP id y4mr422468oeh.121.1358933132491; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 01:25:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <-3592093310450732824@unknownmsgid> References: <-3592093310450732824@unknownmsgid> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 10:25:32 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack From: Ser Yo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f642aa8a2bc5704d3f1460d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 09:25:33 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f642aa8a2bc5704d3f1460d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yes, this of the LP2 was not a complain about the LP2 (Rick also misunderstood and told me to design my own looper and form my own company, for then signing "yours, Rick", ahahah! He's great). I was just saying that even if the Boomerang is not a good looper for people who works with electronic music and need to have many gears in sync (well, at least it wasn't in that moment, now there is the new firmware, I did not try it yet), it had this undo/redo which, yes, only on the last overdub, but it is great. And I was saying that if the LP2 could do redo at least of the last undo, I would not think it even half second before buying it. For the way I see that I tend to make music with a looper, the undo is an absolute must, and the redo a very very welcome feature which if I have it I use always, not when I make mistakes, but as a creative tool. Whatever. 2013/1/23 mark francombe > Sent from my (advertisement removed) > > On 23 Jan 2013, at 00:11, Sergio Girardi wrote: > > > The lp2 can undo but not redo, uff... > > Can anything REDO actually? My repeater can do ONE layer.... but how > many loopers let you undo THEN redo. > > M > > --e89a8f642aa8a2bc5704d3f1460d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, this of the LP2 was not a complain about the LP2 (Rick also misunderst= ood and told me to design my own looper and form my own company, for then s= igning "yours, Rick", ahahah! He's great).
I was just sayi= ng that even if the Boomerang is not a good looper for people who works wit= h electronic music and need to have many gears in sync (well, at least it w= asn't in that moment, now there is the new firmware, I did not try it y= et), it had this undo/redo which, yes, only on the last overdub, but it is = great. And I was saying that if the LP2 could do redo at least of the last = undo, I would not think it even half second before buying it.
For the way I see that I tend to make music with a looper, the undo is an a= bsolute must, and the redo a very very welcome feature which if I have it I= use always, not when I make mistakes, but as a creative tool.
Whatever.=


2013/1/23 mark francombe <markfra= ncombe@gmail.com>
Sent from my (advertisement removed)

On 23 Jan 2013, at 00:11, Sergio Girardi <simpliflying@gmail.com> wrote:

> The lp2 can undo but not redo, uff...

Can anything REDO actually? My repeater can do ONE layer.... but how
many loopers let you undo THEN redo.

M


--e89a8f642aa8a2bc5704d3f1460d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 09:29:45 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3564B183492; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 09:29:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 662846.51007.bm@omp1034.mail.ird.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1358933383; bh=njoMb93huHkCES9rFnU1Wfh1LYaLKVsNeErCT3K5czY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=btEv2Qt17ABFAg9xmlY9Cp0m61lt74IjCyS+PsSFPPyQLWKJ5hOTJQ4CaY58zPEKWeUPK4bltXo/TpVKXeHvLVfU96wxANf56zNsHKWIALD/WfUSgMly048Xw2esBOcyilL6cHfJtYnPs9DoTNhjpQxhTNHk/+LCkvpnNZSc1RA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YBaCspbeP935Cl7OhgGDBdWH8bvYL2HrPYv6IQPCjc/OWzBccWkvIi3Pc6FSHE/G7tYFAVP/xC8cbTt9gHaO99jthtBmMRV4tfSVWGaGGcV2RohjM1IwGNPDQZ3E5XhFMTkiCLVi+r/gXuDxeBecW57BQDWnHtq5XG+uj+37ob0=; X-YMail-OSG: ikDLVIsVM1mTv6HerKoSQDNXQWhcpCjQBam67ArdwCCX1xd Zq7BBMFDLjoWW0gMcAg8sQtFxXh6XmgW5IxI4_pa2Fxnd2DoWDWGyAg39wC2 nJtdZmC1VclGCxipnTaVvAPr2ZXNQXxdwo8yjvnKhpv9GwgVGOB4pbbiJPYf IipzHdHpU5rL97kchioYHgrvtsX_B.O5R4hJYKe9BdkB_qIHgrAtfanQHCCa c2rolEQh7kH_y5Ccb8apTuovn3gAEgk5CtyrME2sba2fFcKZ5BVgiIDuCs5Y DSdV2sNve7Ki0P7sgW9dDeVQf7iocbGyJJpnhQY2Sus7ZPAxy.bbJoIK.EIp cXWZBROfwoBZG39JWuuXSwTGhdGWFRjj5fRYWvJoQ1HLMfiHWhzGlBLsvWco e4jEvJXeFIyOd1hyciu_2PsWDdifbLpy8yb0NmWEPDkZA8EAJCjBnhamMvSf t9RZKjQRySaguwXez9LjZH1J8G2gk2ta_ci4BEZtOae.odlOFpblWPA-- X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,ZG8gbm90IHVzZSBvdmVyZHVicywgeW91IGhhdmUgcGxlbnR5IG9mIHRyYWNrcy4uLgoKQW50b255IEhlcXVldAoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCiBEZcKgOiBTZXIgWW8gPHNpbXBsaWZseWluZ0BnbWFpbC5jb20.CsOAwqA6IExvb3BlcnMtRGVsaWdodEBsb29wZXJzLWRlbGlnaHQuY29tIApFbnZvecOpIGxlIDogTWVyY3JlZGkgMjMgamFudmllciAyMDEzIDEwaDE5Ck9iamV0wqA6IFJlOiBBYm91dCB0aGUgYWJzZW5jZSBvZiBVbmRvIGluIHRoZSBPY3RhdHJhY2sKIAoKTWFuLCABMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.130.494 References: <9DDA78B8-A7B8-4299-AEF8-C1E3168C384F@teddyjam.com> Message-ID: <1358933383.41939.YahooMailNeo@web171705.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 09:29:43 +0000 (GMT) From: Antony Hequet Reply-To: Antony Hequet Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1253611123-1502015046-1358933383=:41939" Resent-Message-ID: <5D3PlD.A.rFH.J26_QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 09:29:45 +0000 (UTC) --1253611123-1502015046-1358933383=:41939 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable do not use overdubs, you have plenty of tracks...=0A=0AAntony Hequet=0A=0A= =0A________________________________=0A De=A0: Ser Yo =0A=C0=A0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0AEnvoy=E9 le : Mercredi = 23 janvier 2013 10h19=0AObjet=A0: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octa= track=0A =0A=0AMan, it is 36 years that I try not to make mistakes, but unf= ortunately I do make them, often the same ones :)=0AI wait for Anders to un= derstand from him how he uses the OT with no undo.=0ABut as you are so sure= that one can do no mistakes (sure? Todd, live performance, you get excited= , no mistakes, ever?), I am interested in knowing, from you and from the ot= hers, what else apart for the practice could you suggest to organize the wo= rkflow with a looper with no undo, to avoid being in a situation where you = build a wonderful loop and at the last overdub you mess it up. =0A=0A=0A201= 3/1/23 teddyjam.com =0A=0A****don't give into the tempt= ation, don't say it... don't say it... don't.... don't say "stop making mis= takes then you won't need undo".... don't say it, don't say it****=0A>=0A>= =0A>Teddy =0A>=0A>On Jan 22, 2013, at 6:44 PM, Sergio Girardi wrote:=0A>=0A= >you can correct a mistake with the undo=0A> --1253611123-1502015046-1358933383=:41939 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
do not use overdubs, you have plenty of tracks...

Antony Heq= uet


De : Ser Yo <simpliflying@gmail.com>
= =C0 : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Envoy=E9 le : Mercredi 23 janvier 2013= 10h19
Objet : Re= : About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack

Man, it is 36 years that I try not to make mistakes, but unfortunately = I do make them, often the same ones :)
I wait for Anders to understand f= rom him how he uses the OT with no undo.
But as you are so sure that one= can do no mistakes (sure? Todd, live performance, you get excited, no mist= akes, ever?), I am interested in knowing, from you and from the others, wha= t else apart for the practice could you suggest to organize the workflow wi= th a looper with no undo, to avoid being in a situation where you build a w= onderful loop and at the last overdub you mess it up.
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2013/1/23 teddyjam.com <teddy@teddyjam.com>
=0A
=0A****don't give into the temptation, don't say it... = don't say it... don't.... don't say "stop making mistakes then you won't ne= ed undo".... don't say it, don't say it****
=0A

Teddy
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On Jan 22, 2013, at 6:44 PM, Sergio Girardi wro= te:

you ca= n correct a mistake with the undo
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--1253611123-1502015046-1358933383=:41939-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 10:06:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E1D6183495; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 10:06:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Rpj9ySTN0xCsv3NeOSZQ+TxixWZ80QzSLtEngAeFbjY=; b=xJXLwezwhEUqLKbTC8CZjIU+z9Wnrzbx8S7JvllVIEJnLqMYWJGlx5B/9xA0KY3RHY 3A+0RSoZQWyXUtScnBYamLzjMRLffpq2c7sNYeYJ/jaOsJfwYVuL55akeGf5cQZKeFR0 AbIbPNCek78X0qibVlOVcRfudDgNx+Ko0zIt4ZSh1xpircXod8HpXHkg6jOvVpDsKeez SIgUQFGerUpdeDdcq+n0Qji3hV7S/1safWOBpZyDB9Nx3muOW3NBT11WT84Wa1wWoJFH YYnqGEwctvi49eHq3FqwD1u1WovMjMkzXt9fYBmS4AfBBvjXhV42L3yWWiRkro70pLwT I0ng== X-Received: by 10.66.73.165 with SMTP id m5mr2985058pav.78.1358935595387; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 02:06:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <-3592093310450732824@unknownmsgid> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 11:06:15 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: RiQDDbp2FedrDyUfwogt8817aPU Message-ID: Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042f9e006f8b8b04d3f1d920 Resent-Message-ID: <-sglQD.A.XdH.sY7_QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 10:06:36 +0000 (UTC) --f46d042f9e006f8b8b04d3f1d920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Very much time is spent here on LD comparing feature sets between loopers, as if there are magical "must haves". Some say Undo, some say feedback some say straight into overdub. The truth is that most loopers DO conform to a certain sub set of features that have been around since the EDP broke the mould for delays. BUT... you will not find a box that will do everything as you want it, and the more loopers you have owned the less friendly you are about new devices with NEW ways of doing things, basically you just want the same as you have always had (plus more). The Octo track has always interested me (although I cannot afford one) precisely because its NOT the same as other loopers, you WILL NOT be able to do what other loopers do, you will no doubt find workarounds, but what it does offer is WAY MORE OTHER STUFF! I suggest that instead of concentrating on the one thing that it won't do, you should dive in and get your hands dirty with the stuff that NO OTHER LOOPERS CAN DO! OK, so you fluff an overdub, but if that overdub is suddenly chopped up and twisted and stretched and warped, as some pre-made tracks kick in, with filters and distorters and wobbles and other kerrrazeee stuff... I think that your "fluff" will not only seem intentional, but it will seem cool as f***!!! I too tried to read the manual, but its really impossible to gauge what its talking about unless you have the device infront of you, it seemed to involve a bit too much pre-production, for my tastes, but what I have heard from the box seems very interesting... Dont give up on it soo fast, remember your frustration with it, post your requirement on the elketron forum, and work on other stuff... I bet, when they bring out an undo/redo feature, I wager that you will have forgotten about your initial problem, because you will be producing some cool assed shit. After 10 years with the EDP, I somtimes delve into the manual, to find something I havent tried yet...or much... "expert Mode" for example, or stutter... A deep product is always gonna give you much more happiness in the long run than a simple stand-alone REC OVERDUB PLAY UNDO pedal. I think you have made the right choice in your purchase, just dont expect to much overnight, wait 10 years, and see what you think then Good luck! Mark On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Ser Yo wrote: > Yes, this of the LP2 was not a complain about the LP2 (Rick also > misunderstood and told me to design my own looper and form my own company, > for then signing "yours, Rick", ahahah! He's great). > I was just saying that even if the Boomerang is not a good looper for > people who works with electronic music and need to have many gears in sync > (well, at least it wasn't in that moment, now there is the new firmware, I > did not try it yet), it had this undo/redo which, yes, only on the last > overdub, but it is great. And I was saying that if the LP2 could do redo at > least of the last undo, I would not think it even half second before buying > it. > For the way I see that I tend to make music with a looper, the undo is an > absolute must, and the redo a very very welcome feature which if I have it > I use always, not when I make mistakes, but as a creative tool. > Whatever. > > > > 2013/1/23 mark francombe > >> Sent from my (advertisement removed) >> >> On 23 Jan 2013, at 00:11, Sergio Girardi wrote: >> >> > The lp2 can undo but not redo, uff... >> >> Can anything REDO actually? My repeater can do ONE layer.... but how >> many loopers let you undo THEN redo. >> >> M >> >> > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d042f9e006f8b8b04d3f1d920 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Very much time is spent here on LD comparing feature sets between loopers= , as if there are magical "must haves". Some say Undo, some say f= eedback some say=A0straight=A0into overdub. The truth is that most loopers = DO conform to a certain sub set of features that have been around since the= EDP broke the mould for delays. BUT... you will not find a box that will d= o everything as you want it, and the more loopers you have owned the less= =A0friendly=A0you are about new devices with NEW ways of doing things, basi= cally you just want the same as you have always had (plus more).

The Octo track has always intere= sted me (although I cannot afford one) precisely because its NOT the same a= s other loopers, you WILL NOT be able to do what other loopers do, you will= no doubt find workarounds, but what it does offer is WAY MORE OTHER STUFF!= I suggest that instead of concentrating on the one thing that it won't= do, you should dive in and get your hands dirty with the stuff that NO OTH= ER LOOPERS CAN DO!=A0

OK, so you fluff an overdub, but= if that overdub is suddenly chopped up and twisted and=A0stretched=A0and w= arped, as some pre-made tracks kick in, with filters and distorters and wob= bles and other kerrrazeee stuff... I think that your "fluff" will= not only seem intentional, but it will seem cool as f***!!!

I too tried to read the manual, = but its really impossible to=A0gauge=A0what its talking about unless you ha= ve the device infront of you, it seemed to involve a bit too much pre-produ= ction, for my tastes, but what I have heard from the box seems very interes= ting...

Dont g= ive up on it soo fast, remember your frustration with it, post your=A0requi= rement=A0on the elketron forum, and work on other stuff... I bet, when they= bring out an undo/redo feature, I wager that you will have=A0forgotten=A0a= bout your initial problem, because you will be producing some cool assed sh= it.

After 10 years with th= e EDP, I somtimes delve into the manual, to find something I havent tried y= et...or much... "expert Mode" for example, or stutter... A deep p= roduct is always gonna give you much more happiness in the long run than a = simple stand-alone REC OVERDUB PLAY UNDO pedal.=A0

I think you have made the right choice in your purchase, just dont expe= ct to much overnight, wait 10 years, and see what you think then

Good luck!


Mark=A0


On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Ser Yo= <simpliflying@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, this of the LP2 was not a complain about the LP2 (Rick also misunderst= ood and told me to design my own looper and form my own company, for then s= igning "yours, Rick", ahahah! He's great).
I was just sayi= ng that even if the Boomerang is not a good looper for people who works wit= h electronic music and need to have many gears in sync (well, at least it w= asn't in that moment, now there is the new firmware, I did not try it y= et), it had this undo/redo which, yes, only on the last overdub, but it is = great. And I was saying that if the LP2 could do redo at least of the last = undo, I would not think it even half second before buying it.
For the way I see that I tend to make music with a looper, the undo is an a= bsolute must, and the redo a very very welcome feature which if I have it I= use always, not when I make mistakes, but as a creative tool.
Whatever.=



2013/1/23 mark francombe <markfra= ncombe@gmail.com>
Sent from my (advertisement removed)

On 23 Jan 2013, at 00:11, Sergio Girardi <simpliflying@gmail.com> wrote:

> The lp2 can undo but not redo, uff...

Can anything REDO actually? My repeater can do ONE layer.... but how
many loopers let you undo THEN redo.

M





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= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--f46d042f9e006f8b8b04d3f1d920-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 10:16:44 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30149183496; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 10:16:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=qTVjTVPjU6L9AtmRZ5laFmoIyKmxFVo8DeSg4nJ0kgg=; b=K/UDqY47/92RfYa6QpegZ9VIfzTH1I1aK1HqkAhvVhMizMkUToB3uXzPfJkYV/FpWO 2uCE54tdcjgRq81nZu6RFz9Ww6bzwH3WxPUBU0NQJm4FtY5oZXkt/+6uAZYn0XLD4bBp 88q+NHdNeqAE62dcJ5nSQDr53deBZGPqYguMT0Z+SSS1NLrl31IPnfSqeOpZqmoYHQkI GFj7PkJg9xIew2ZKjxxNUpcJT7ZEcZwufdhv24xGiYxMb3b8gunGoKXxr5gULRXQjwyc rew1TJZL/JFL8T4wdPAZZPCa8/jzCe4tVyAkc+r8nx8cBNnWJzuH3Jlq5AE+FnJKUCzd TL0A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.192.68 with SMTP id he4mr491898obc.99.1358936202968; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 02:16:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <-3592093310450732824@unknownmsgid> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 11:16:42 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack From: Ser Yo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340b33a67ea904d3f1fd8b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 10:16:44 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340b33a67ea904d3f1fd8b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks :) Even if waiting is one of my mayor weaknesses. But yes. Inspiring answer, finally, instead of the many "stop complaining" I had in Elektron Forums (then the psicologists say one must not repress the anger, but when one is angry everybody say that you must not complain, wtf!?). :) 2013/1/23 mark francombe > Very much time is spent here on LD comparing feature sets between loopers, > as if there are magical "must haves". Some say Undo, some say feedback some > say straight into overdub. The truth is that most loopers DO conform to a > certain sub set of features that have been around since the EDP broke the > mould for delays. BUT... you will not find a box that will do everything as > you want it, and the more loopers you have owned the less friendly you are > about new devices with NEW ways of doing things, basically you just want > the same as you have always had (plus more). > > The Octo track has always interested me (although I cannot afford one) > precisely because its NOT the same as other loopers, you WILL NOT be able > to do what other loopers do, you will no doubt find workarounds, but what > it does offer is WAY MORE OTHER STUFF! I suggest that instead of > concentrating on the one thing that it won't do, you should dive in and get > your hands dirty with the stuff that NO OTHER LOOPERS CAN DO! > > OK, so you fluff an overdub, but if that overdub is suddenly chopped up > and twisted and stretched and warped, as some pre-made tracks kick in, with > filters and distorters and wobbles and other kerrrazeee stuff... I think > that your "fluff" will not only seem intentional, but it will seem cool as > f***!!! > > I too tried to read the manual, but its really impossible to gauge what > its talking about unless you have the device infront of you, it seemed to > involve a bit too much pre-production, for my tastes, but what I have heard > from the box seems very interesting... > > Dont give up on it soo fast, remember your frustration with it, post > your requirement on the elketron forum, and work on other stuff... I bet, > when they bring out an undo/redo feature, I wager that you will > have forgotten about your initial problem, because you will be producing > some cool assed shit. > > After 10 years with the EDP, I somtimes delve into the manual, to find > something I havent tried yet...or much... "expert Mode" for example, or > stutter... A deep product is always gonna give you much more happiness in > the long run than a simple stand-alone REC OVERDUB PLAY UNDO pedal. > > I think you have made the right choice in your purchase, just dont expect > to much overnight, wait 10 years, and see what you think then > > Good luck! > > > Mark > > > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Ser Yo wrote: > >> Yes, this of the LP2 was not a complain about the LP2 (Rick also >> misunderstood and told me to design my own looper and form my own company, >> for then signing "yours, Rick", ahahah! He's great). >> I was just saying that even if the Boomerang is not a good looper for >> people who works with electronic music and need to have many gears in sync >> (well, at least it wasn't in that moment, now there is the new firmware, I >> did not try it yet), it had this undo/redo which, yes, only on the last >> overdub, but it is great. And I was saying that if the LP2 could do redo at >> least of the last undo, I would not think it even half second before buying >> it. >> For the way I see that I tend to make music with a looper, the undo is an >> absolute must, and the redo a very very welcome feature which if I have it >> I use always, not when I make mistakes, but as a creative tool. >> Whatever. >> >> >> >> 2013/1/23 mark francombe >> >>> Sent from my (advertisement removed) >>> >>> On 23 Jan 2013, at 00:11, Sergio Girardi wrote: >>> >>> > The lp2 can undo but not redo, uff... >>> >>> Can anything REDO actually? My repeater can do ONE layer.... but how >>> many loopers let you undo THEN redo. >>> >>> M >>> >>> >> > > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > --14dae9340b33a67ea904d3f1fd8b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks :)
Even if waiting is one of my mayor weaknesses.
But yes. Ins= piring answer, finally, instead of the many "stop complaining" I = had in Elektron Forums (then the psicologists say one must not repress the = anger, but when one is angry everybody say that you must not complain, wtf!= ?).
:)

2013/1/23 mark francombe <mark@m= arkfrancombe.com>
Very much time is spent here on LD comparing feature sets between loopers= , as if there are magical "must haves". Some say Undo, some say f= eedback some say=A0straight=A0into overdub. The truth is that most loopers = DO conform to a certain sub set of features that have been around since the= EDP broke the mould for delays. BUT... you will not find a box that will d= o everything as you want it, and the more loopers you have owned the less= =A0friendly=A0you are about new devices with NEW ways of doing things, basi= cally you just want the same as you have always had (plus more).

The Octo track has always intere= sted me (although I cannot afford one) precisely because its NOT the same a= s other loopers, you WILL NOT be able to do what other loopers do, you will= no doubt find workarounds, but what it does offer is WAY MORE OTHER STUFF!= I suggest that instead of concentrating on the one thing that it won't= do, you should dive in and get your hands dirty with the stuff that NO OTH= ER LOOPERS CAN DO!=A0

OK, so you fluff an overdub, but= if that overdub is suddenly chopped up and twisted and=A0stretched=A0and w= arped, as some pre-made tracks kick in, with filters and distorters and wob= bles and other kerrrazeee stuff... I think that your "fluff" will= not only seem intentional, but it will seem cool as f***!!!

I too tried to read the manual, = but its really impossible to=A0gauge=A0what its talking about unless you ha= ve the device infront of you, it seemed to involve a bit too much pre-produ= ction, for my tastes, but what I have heard from the box seems very interes= ting...

Dont g= ive up on it soo fast, remember your frustration with it, post your=A0requi= rement=A0on the elketron forum, and work on other stuff... I bet, when they= bring out an undo/redo feature, I wager that you will have=A0forgotten=A0a= bout your initial problem, because you will be producing some cool assed sh= it.

After 10 years with th= e EDP, I somtimes delve into the manual, to find something I havent tried y= et...or much... "expert Mode" for example, or stutter... A deep p= roduct is always gonna give you much more happiness in the long run than a = simple stand-alone REC OVERDUB PLAY UNDO pedal.=A0

I think you have made the right choice in your purchase, just dont expe= ct to much overnight, wait 10 years, and see what you think then

Good luck!


Mark=A0


On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Ser Yo= <simpliflying@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, this of the LP2 was not a complain about the LP2 (Rick also misunderst= ood and told me to design my own looper and form my own company, for then s= igning "yours, Rick", ahahah! He's great).
I was just sayi= ng that even if the Boomerang is not a good looper for people who works wit= h electronic music and need to have many gears in sync (well, at least it w= asn't in that moment, now there is the new firmware, I did not try it y= et), it had this undo/redo which, yes, only on the last overdub, but it is = great. And I was saying that if the LP2 could do redo at least of the last = undo, I would not think it even half second before buying it.
For the way I see that I tend to make music with a looper, the undo is an a= bsolute must, and the redo a very very welcome feature which if I have it I= use always, not when I make mistakes, but as a creative tool.
Whatever.=



2013/1/23 mark francombe <markfra= ncombe@gmail.com>
Sent from my (advertisement removed)

On 23 Jan 2013, at 00:11, Sergio Girardi <simpliflying@gmail.com> wrote:

> The lp2 can undo but not redo, uff...

Can anything REDO actually? My repeater can do ONE layer.... but how
many loopers let you undo THEN redo.

M





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--14dae9340b33a67ea904d3f1fd8b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 12:20:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26F4F183492; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:20:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com x-originating-ip: 208.109.97.160 Message-ID: <50FFD5A2.7000605@soundscapes.us> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 07:20:50 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #824 for January 17, 2013. 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WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 12:37:45 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57C1C18348F; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:37:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to :to:references:message-id:x-mailer:x-gm-message-state; bh=ug0EKwUegOb5TC3oUAA/hkBD8S3/21n5gf16V4W0k/4=; b=NEjbT+l+76MaIx3pGdV9//MCICdxtLe84l105FS7kb2fcKXPEWKfDYL+/bsfOwkqKA 1+Ltx0wASnFIhxrRG14ceDqt/gSxtDZkhZVsIazIrURyOVUltUPSiDOLFE3Ny60rfyBV 3Gh5VnoKywfJPUQ5z81kxXJPpJRymVsZ/QmExUTYIleEQxeNSEdJ0tb0e1uZpUGmLfa7 M16lV9CkIJ3S8XHknC7Mz//l2s9I9ykMAR3uFTmK41lYUbrmOFUyGOYCOhkN4v7JQXZB sN6Sp3XFw1Su07XXOAnrPjP4pK+Sr8n6EhidyKPNvNGXE1s7aeB17KGLm9jR64BGJa5z fNpw== X-Received: by 10.224.175.82 with SMTP id w18mr1555021qaz.65.1358944664565; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 04:37:44 -0800 (PST) From: "teddyjam.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-532856035 Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 07:37:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <9DDA78B8-A7B8-4299-AEF8-C1E3168C384F@teddyjam.com> Message-Id: <973DF568-1BB9-434A-8AE9-B21C970C703C@teddyjam.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkYL/o7V2ZDwQGHs8lsml30YAKOODB2hXXUL0cP0rq7eoXm1F+C35gE9TgE3A6UziDd7zHF Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:37:45 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-532856035 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii usually, a "mistake" is just something you didn't mean to play. If you = are quick on your feet you can probably make something cool out of it. What you have here is rich people's problems. Just go deeper into the = octatrack and find all the other cool shit it does and make those = mistakes into gold, brother... it probably does a whole bunch of stuff = no other looper does, right? Do those things... then smile Teddy On Jan 23, 2013, at 4:19 AM, Ser Yo wrote: > Man, it is 36 years that I try not to make mistakes, but unfortunately = I do make them, often the same ones :) > I wait for Anders to understand from him how he uses the OT with no = undo. > But as you are so sure that one can do no mistakes (sure? Todd, live = performance, you get excited, no mistakes, ever?), I am interested in = knowing, from you and from the others, what else apart for the practice = could you suggest to organize the workflow with a looper with no undo, = to avoid being in a situation where you build a wonderful loop and at = the last overdub you mess it up.=20 >=20 > 2013/1/23 teddyjam.com > ****don't give into the temptation, don't say it... don't say it... = don't.... don't say "stop making mistakes then you won't need undo".... = don't say it, don't say it**** >=20 > Teddy >=20 > On Jan 22, 2013, at 6:44 PM, Sergio Girardi wrote: >=20 >> you can correct a mistake with the undo >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-1-532856035 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
usually, a "mistake" is just something you didn't mean to play. = If you are quick on your feet you can probably make something cool out = of it.

What you have here = is rich people's problems. Just go deeper into the octatrack and find = all the other cool shit it does and make those mistakes into gold, = brother... it probably does a whole bunch of stuff no other looper does, = right? Do those things... then smile

Man, it is = 36 years that I try not to make mistakes, but unfortunately I do make = them, often the same ones :)
I wait for Anders to understand from him = how he uses the OT with no undo.
But as you are so sure that one can = do no mistakes (sure? Todd, live performance, you get excited, no = mistakes, ever?), I am interested in knowing, from you and from the = others, what else apart for the practice could you suggest to organize = the workflow with a looper with no undo, to avoid being in a situation = where you build a wonderful loop and at the last overdub you mess it up. =

2013/1/23 teddyjam.com <teddy@teddyjam.com>
****don't give into the temptation, don't say = it... don't say it... don't.... don't say "stop making mistakes then you = won't need undo".... don't say it, don't say it****

Teddy

On Jan 22, 2013, at 6:44 PM, Sergio Girardi = wrote:

you can correct a mistake = with the undo



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I just noticed that my Line 6 M9 has a button for undo/red= o, never noticed it before!


On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 1:17 AM, mark francombe <markfrancombe@gmail.com> wrote:
Sent from my (advertisement removed)

On 23 Jan 2013, at 00:11, Sergio Girardi <simpliflying@gmail.com> wrote:

> The lp2 can undo but not redo, uff...

Can anything REDO actually? My repeater can do ONE layer.... but how
many loopers let you undo THEN redo.

M


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Play a mistake twice, it's a composition". rig ________________________________ From: teddyjam.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 4:37 AM Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack usually, a "mistake" is just something you didn't mean to play. If you are quick on your feet you can probably make something cool out of it. What you have here is rich people's problems. Just go deeper into the octatrack and find all the other cool shit it does and make those mistakes into gold, brother... it probably does a whole bunch of stuff no other looper does, right? Do those things... then smile Teddy On Jan 23, 2013, at 4:19 AM, Ser Yo wrote: Man, it is 36 years that I try not to make mistakes, but unfortunately I do make them, often the same ones :) >I wait for Anders to understand from him how he uses the OT with no undo. >But as you are so sure that one can do no mistakes (sure? Todd, live performance, you get excited, no mistakes, ever?), I am interested in knowing, from you and from the others, what else apart for the practice could you suggest to organize the workflow with a looper with no undo, to avoid being in a situation where you build a wonderful loop and at the last overdub you mess it up. > > >2013/1/23 teddyjam.com > >****don't give into the temptation, don't say it... don't say it... don't.... don't say "stop making mistakes then you won't need undo".... don't say it, don't say it**** >> >> >>Teddy >> >>On Jan 22, 2013, at 6:44 PM, Sergio Girardi wrote: >> >>you can correct a mistake with the undo >> > ---559651860-1185571925-1358949194=:85097 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Frank Zappa once said, "play a mistake once, it's a mistake. Play a mistake twice, it's a composition".
rig

From: teddyjam.com <teddy@teddyjam.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack

usually, a "mistake" is just something you didn't mean to play. If you are quick on your feet you can probably make something cool out of it.

What you have here is rich people's problems. Just go deeper into the octatrack and find all the other cool shit it does and make those mistakes into gold, brother... it probably does a whole bunch of stuff no other looper does, right? Do those things... then smile

Teddy

On Jan 23, 2013, at 4:19 AM, Ser Yo wrote:

Man, it is 36 years that I try not to make mistakes, but unfortunately I do make them, often the same ones :)
I wait for Anders to understand from him how he uses the OT with no undo.
But as you are so sure that one can do no mistakes (sure? Todd, live performance, you get excited, no mistakes, ever?), I am interested in knowing, from you and from the others, what else apart for the practice could you suggest to organize the workflow with a looper with no undo, to avoid being in a situation where you build a wonderful loop and at the last overdub you mess it up.

2013/1/23 teddyjam.com <teddy@teddyjam.com>
****don't give into the temptation, don't say it... don't say it... don't.... don't say "stop making mistakes then you won't need undo".... don't say it, don't say it****

Teddy

On Jan 22, 2013, at 6:44 PM, Sergio Girardi wrote:

you can correct a mistake with the undo





---559651860-1185571925-1358949194=:85097-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 14:57:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71861183494; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:57:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=3mWAAtUdpP7JhgiLc27m4PytDXRwipDtp8Bf+ywx75M=; b=a9TvGNk7Q4iOdL5fRAg/EV+6iHSMbq6V3Tol2WE4b9oANpeHUkhXOwn0gqAqJI3csf dJ4ejemZHQw0V65I1+USfBY7lTX20VFRjYWa0SLA1uh8o8jNELLxtBhaVr8wFr/3Ufu1 rwd2meDwh3jycHD3R4BLGNsS3W7LWx5hkvqspti0q4sHvPk8CrOmtG1orA1Xac6RpSNT Bdck9noWC5ITwPMGVKsPy98VBQD9ODgxnwlSfe3EKxW7VfAdGfKpn3dqDkYwAwXtx6Xf IO6N67Yb+E85+bC5hMdNChVK4JwPxTsmatkMbzoGdf7ruTPDklnUWiXEtG0C5QgmrFxD BFmw== X-Received: by 10.152.147.36 with SMTP id th4mr1649425lab.19.1358953056713; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 06:57:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Steven Clements Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 07:56:55 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f22c381363b4204d3f5ea97 Resent-Message-ID: <1YThPB.A.9JC.ip__QB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:57:38 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f22c381363b4204d3f5ea97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I hear ya man... the looping pick up machine was what prompted me to buy it... but then, well you know, I managed to watch eBay pickup a Gibson/*Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro* I home the new EDP will come out this year... On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Sergio Girardi wrote: > Pag 2 of the manual, suggested uses of the Octatrack: the first suggested > use is LOOPER DEVICE. > So, do not tell me this please. > As also I would like to shut up (sorry, I am angry, normally I am nicer) > those who tell me "you should have read the manual before buying it, and > would have noticed the absence of reference to undo. > 200 pages of manual damn it! Are you kidding me? I still didnt read it all > after months! > Anyway. > I have decided to buy a proper looper battery operated. > I have read the thread best battery operated looper, but no comparison > made, just names. > The dl4 can be nice because I need a delay also but one loop is no deal. > The lil is ok but limited. > The lp2 can undo but not redo, uff... > > ------------------------------ > Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:00:25 -0800 > Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack > From: toddbert@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > An Octatrack is not a looper. It's a sampler which can do a few simple > looping tricks. > > T > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 2:11 AM, Sergio Girardi wrote: > > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH > > THis cannot be true, I must be having a nightmare! > How can I be so unlucky to fall from the Boomerang to something which > costs the double and cannot even UNDO a damn wrong overdub? > Did they ever had a looper in their hand before projecting the pickup > machines????????????????????? > Any cheap looper can Undo and a 1200 euro octatrack can undo lot of things > but not a overdub? > > Anders, did you find a workaround? > I try to figure out if I can use more tracks to workaround this but, > really I am absolutely and totally indigned with Elektron. > > > > > -- > http://toaster.bandcamp.com > --e89a8f22c381363b4204d3f5ea97 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I hear ya man... the looping pick up machine was what prompted me to bu= y it... but then, well you know, I managed to watch eBay pickup a Gibson/Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro

I home the new EDP will come ou= t this year...



On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Ser= gio Girardi <simpliflying@gmail.com> wrote:
Pag 2 of the manual, suggested uses of the Octatrack: the first suggested u= se is LOOPER DEVICE.
So, do not tell me this please.
As also I would = like to shut up (sorry, I am angry, normally I am nicer) those who tell me = "you should have read the manual before buying it, and would have noti= ced the absence of reference to undo.
200 pages of manual damn it! Are you kidding me? I still didnt read it all = after months!
Anyway.
I have decided to buy a proper looper battery o= perated.
I have read the thread best battery operated looper, but no com= parison made, just names.
The dl4 can be nice because I need a delay also but one loop is no deal.The lil is ok but limited.
The lp2 can undo but not redo, uff...

Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:00:25 -0800
Subject: Re: = About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack
From: toddbert@gmai= l.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com


An Octatrack is not a looper. It's a sampler which can do a few sim= ple looping tricks.=C2=A0

T

On Tue, Jan 22, = 2013 at 2:11 AM, Sergio Girardi <simpliflying@gmail.com> wrote:
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH

THi= s cannot be true, I must be having a nightmare!
How can I be so unlucky = to fall from the Boomerang to something which costs the double and cannot e= ven UNDO a damn wrong overdub?
Did they ever had a looper in their hand before projecting the pickup machi= nes?????????????????????
Any cheap looper can Undo and a 1200 euro octat= rack can undo lot of things but not a overdub?

Anders, did you find = a workaround?
I try to figure out if I can use more tracks to workaround this but, really= I am absolutely and totally indigned with Elektron.
<= /div>



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--e89a8f22c381363b4204d3f5ea97-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 16:06:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DC8C183493; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 16:06:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=yNsCJLCW3Dnotmr9fXu7hN7dI3+ZVkph3hiSSypf/ZA=; b=lfW0hIVvTE25Jr/7fGXqpWhbQHoxvRfF5WuJHSfD+2sqL2/K6KDfWj5sy7vNzBRf58 PbwHiwfN0mbgog0QiTSU41zLphhOPwip50XeNBmICdNuG9+vscPAwLNP7IA+dJ8iRhSg JGQe+HGr80Coozpa0Y75e9kSOH+apcn0Eb2gT371eTsgfc8ykLZsfk7929Xt/U7+MYmJ vGpl3+MExK3IGkkBysDj4hSdYLymzl1Q6HdqBLPE7KOVTTfRKZXworQAHmEZfKLpiSUU ShEN1yJ14fJyRMNjRdSu98ZocnR4ja5QWLL59daj6tHClef1v5EmdPTqN0qSMwSCUugM gtGQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.108.9 with SMTP id hg9mr2212196qeb.34.1358957216035; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 08:06:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 11:06:55 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT : OSC for beginners? From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bea3b4420742304d3f6e270 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 16:06:56 +0000 (UTC) --047d7bea3b4420742304d3f6e270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 11:18 PM, Jim Goodin wrote: > All of the other projects have been easy to follow and straightforward but > this one more challenging at least for me to wrap around (ch 8). I have > got it to compile but still battling some linking issues which are probably > an overlook of a framework but still fishing. You're much farther along than I am in the book... are you using the projects you can download from the book website? There's been at least six updates to Xcode since the book came out last year, so there's all sort of things than can need changing. Are you using control or touchOSC? The mobius OSC docs are very good, you shouldn't have any problems setting up with either of them. If you're using touchOSC I can send you a basic template to get you started. Sylvain --047d7bea3b4420742304d3f6e270 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
--047d7bea3b4420742304d3f6e270-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 16:13:43 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 724DC183494; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 16:13:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=A6jWwfDfDV6lHFD0vNPBMERCeGhzm2gRqrsZynm/ATA=; b=pdXEpE6KFpSerkJHMpjLStl/7ei6qI8nafCQ/kfxY75B74iyfPA76wj0cfKr9i7q1i Hgsm7ifE3zTP7Aj4fff21d7s7L7B9EmASnhPyQdblW7NiQBOszzCgQqCqqctx+esj/nJ onOMZiG/5MlHHzc3MyO7xf3cIux6ZPiJmnR7dKK+bmsbjB9h9DddPjhDGyiIFwVDQYn8 814l03klXcX3dqyZuTHIbdets81238GlVUF7k0I/mZdFNhJRqZe63YnhJQaCNdyi8LsX VCGDzEMesZYXn5nXeElxsVe7IGCnYKZnUQIzKXQyqOjXoO8Uj6kaEXZD6zH3YKtr2p5v ODJw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.196.196 with SMTP id eh4mr2331901qab.68.1358957622880; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 08:13:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 11:13:42 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT : OSC for beginners? From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300fb445606a0804d3f6fa0e Resent-Message-ID: <7HJ9t.A.35C.3wAARB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 16:13:43 +0000 (UTC) --20cf300fb445606a0804d3f6fa0e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Todd Elliott wrote: > > Also, bidule's OSC implementation is a hell of a lot easier than Max's. I > actually am getting things to occur there. Need to poke around the internet > a bit more to fiddle with. > > Never played with OSC in Max, but I imagine you need to unpack all incoming messages and route the values where you want them. Bidule is great (no video, though). Max's advantage with Gen is that you can compile your patches so they can run as quickly and efficiently as native objects. (you can do something similar with Bidule, but you need to write your patch in C++ and link your code to the Bidule SDK... not as straightforward). Sylvain --20cf300fb445606a0804d3f6fa0e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On T= ue, Jan 22, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Todd Elliott <toddbert@gmail.com> wrote:

Also, bidule's OSC i= mplementation is a hell of a lot easier than Max's. I actually am getti= ng things to occur there. Need to poke around the internet a bit more to fi= ddle with.


Never played with OSC in Ma= x, but I imagine you need to unpack all incoming messages and route the val= ues where you want them. =A0Bidule is great (no video, though). =A0Max'= s advantage with Gen is that you can compile your patches so they can run a= s quickly and efficiently as native objects. =A0(you can do something simil= ar with Bidule, but you need to write your patch in C++ and link your code = to the Bidule SDK... =A0not as straightforward).

Sylvain
--20cf300fb445606a0804d3f6fa0e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 16:40:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11EFC183494; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 16:40:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-EIP: [9ZqwqY1heaTvtkn38mMiqXgcmCMdctpQ1w0GhKyUCMo=] X-Originating-Email: [anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_98d1af76-03e7-490d-aa41-ce7f3e6ff3d9_" From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 16:40:01 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2013 16:40:01.0954 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A361820:01CDF988] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 16:40:05 +0000 (UTC) --_98d1af76-03e7-490d-aa41-ce7f3e6ff3d9_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Love that Zappa quote :-) I agree a lot with using a instrument for what it= 's good at. If you look at the Octatrack and want full looper functionality= from ONE pickup machine you will be dissapointed. both if you want a Boss = style looper or if you are looking for a more experimental instrument like = the EDP. BUT if you both let the unique features of the Octa inspire and sp= end some time thinking out workarounds for you own "must functions". By usi= ng two pickup machines and a re-sample pickup machine=2C perhaps with some = clever MIDI functions for ease of use you can easily replicate the UNDO/RED= O that lets you play something quickly erase it if you don't like att redo = with something new.Another UNDO/REDO is the ability to replicate more loopi= ng track=2C you do a base loop=2C add something press undo to go back to wh= at was there before (peeling away a layer ) and the REDO to add it back in.= . that is easily done with a multi track looper so easily that you do not n= eed the function for THAT reason. I have managed to fake "quantizised replace" for some LP2=2C EDP style semi= stutter=2C even loop windowing of sorts can be done by having a short loo= p=2C loop a longer loop.. in fact it is probably a very unique Octatrack fe= ature since you can loop a part of a longer loop several times during the d= uration of the longer loop. I do this in two way=2C by having one longer ma= ster loop and the setting up a shorter loop that listens t o the longer. OR= re-sampling with a "flex machine" which allows me to replay the loop=2C or= parts of it on the sequencer and looper=2C pitchifts or anything you could= imagine taking looping loops from loops to new levels of crazyness.=20 Anders From: sdclements@gmail.com Date: Wed=2C 23 Jan 2013 07:56:55 -0700 Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com I hear ya man... the looping pick up machine was what prompted me to buy it= ... but then=2C well you know=2C I managed to watch eBay pickup a Gibson/Ob= erheim Echoplex Digital Pro I home the new EDP will come out this year... On Tue=2C Jan 22=2C 2013 at 4:11 PM=2C Sergio Girardi wrote: Pag 2 of the manual=2C suggested uses of the Octatrack: the first suggested= use is LOOPER DEVICE. So=2C do not tell me this please. As also I would like to shut up (sorry=2C I am angry=2C normally I am nicer= ) those who tell me "you should have read the manual before buying it=2C an= d would have noticed the absence of reference to undo. 200 pages of manual damn it! Are you kidding me? I still didnt read it all = after months! Anyway. I have decided to buy a proper looper battery operated. I have read the thread best battery operated looper=2C but no comparison ma= de=2C just names. The dl4 can be nice because I need a delay also but one loop is no deal. The lil is ok but limited. The lp2 can undo but not redo=2C uff... Date: Tue=2C 22 Jan 2013 14:00:25 -0800 Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack From: toddbert@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com An Octatrack is not a looper. It's a sampler which can do a few simple loop= ing tricks.=20 T On Tue=2C Jan 22=2C 2013 at 2:11 AM=2C Sergio Girardi wrote: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH THis cannot be true=2C I must be having a nightmare! How can I be so unlucky to fall from the Boomerang to something which costs= the double and cannot even UNDO a damn wrong overdub? Did they ever had a looper in their hand before projecting the pickup machi= nes????????????????????? Any cheap looper can Undo and a 1200 euro octatrack can undo lot of things = but not a overdub? Anders=2C did you find a workaround? I try to figure out if I can use more tracks to workaround this but=2C real= ly I am absolutely and totally indigned with Elektron. =20 --=20 http://toaster.bandcamp.com =20 = --_98d1af76-03e7-490d-aa41-ce7f3e6ff3d9_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Love that Zappa quote :-) I agree a lot with using a instrument for what it= 's good at. If you look at the Octatrack and want full looper functionality= from ONE pickup machine you will be dissapointed. both if you want a Boss = style looper or if you are looking for a more experimental instrument like = the EDP. BUT if you both let the unique features of the Octa inspire and sp= end some time thinking out workarounds for you own "must functions". = =3B
By using two pickup machines and a re-sample pickup machine=2C perh= aps with some clever MIDI functions for ease of use you can =3Beasily&n= bsp=3Breplicate the UNDO/REDO that lets you play something =3Bquickly&n= bsp=3Berase it if you don't like att redo with something new.
Ano= ther UNDO/REDO is the ability to replicate more looping track=2C you do a b= ase loop=2C add something press undo to go back to what was there before (p= eeling away a layer ) and the REDO to add it back in.. that is =3Beasil= y =3Bdone with a multi track looper so =3Beasily =3Bthat you do= not need the function for THAT reason.

I have man= aged to fake "quantizised replace" for some LP2=2C EDP style semi stutter= =2C even loop windowing  =3Bof sorts can be done by having a short loop= =2C loop a longer loop.. in fact it is probably a very unique Octatrack fea= ture since you can loop a part of a longer loop several times during the du= ration of the longer loop. I do this in two way=2C by having one longer mas= ter loop and the setting up a shorter loop that listens t o the longer. OR = re-sampling with a "flex machine" which allows me to replay the loop=2C or = parts of it on the =3Bsequencer and looper=2C pitchifts or anything you= could imagine taking looping loops from loops to new levels of crazyness.&= nbsp=3B


Anders



From: sdcl= ements@gmail.com
Date: Wed=2C 23 Jan 2013 07:56:55 -0700
Subject: Re:= About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-= delight.com


I hear ya man... the looping pick up machine was wha= t prompted me to buy it... but then=2C well you know=2C I managed to watch = eBay pickup a Gibson/Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro

I home t= he new EDP will come out this year...



On Tue=2C Jan 22=2C 2013 at 4:11 = PM=2C Sergio Girardi <=3Bsimpliflying@gmail.com>=3B wrote:
Pag 2 of the manual=2C suggested uses of the Octatrack: the first suggested= use is LOOPER DEVICE.
So=2C do not tell me this please.
As also I wo= uld like to shut up (sorry=2C I am angry=2C normally I am nicer) those who = tell me "you should have read the manual before buying it=2C and would have= noticed the absence of reference to undo.
200 pages of manual damn it! Are you kidding me? I still didnt read it all = after months!
Anyway.
I have decided to buy a proper looper battery o= perated.
I have read the thread best battery operated looper=2C but no c= omparison made=2C just names.
The dl4 can be nice because I need a delay also but one loop is no deal.The lil is ok but limited.
The lp2 can undo but not redo=2C uff...
<= br>

Date: Tue=2C 22 Jan 2013 14:00:25 -0800
Subject: = Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack
From: toddbert@gmail.com
To: <= a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com


An Octatrack is not a looper. It's a sampler which can do a few simple = looping tricks. =3B

T

On Tue=2C Jan 22= =2C 2013 at 2:11 AM=2C Sergio Girardi <=3Bsimpliflying@gmail.com>=3B wrote:=
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH

THi= s cannot be true=2C I must be having a nightmare!
How can I be so unluck= y to fall from the Boomerang to something which costs the double and cannot= even UNDO a damn wrong overdub?
Did they ever had a looper in their hand before projecting the pickup machi= nes?????????????????????
Any cheap looper can Undo and a 1200 euro octat= rack can undo lot of things but not a overdub?

Anders=2C did you fin= d a workaround?
I try to figure out if I can use more tracks to workaround this but=2C real= ly I am absolutely and totally indigned with Elektron.



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= --_98d1af76-03e7-490d-aa41-ce7f3e6ff3d9_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 16:49:21 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78B14183494; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 16:49:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=iqI9At+TGb9U8hNoVja+Tp2iLZw7lzxOIb8myY1jJ08=; b=nanUqip6JVvB5z6LXMooUFLkqSQeOM5hGLWp9BW8LO9+S2Fw3D10HvO3gG9w1IAXW8 xaFSUMC+AQF/+MsgSSwS9qnUG4jHclwKgRzW4Og99NK0Cyian/xTcVIyWq/vS/cpd/OJ vUgTi8j6MAVvYKM4fR8f3gIsl9BJ8BZ+6IRwvfv3/VC3BFpRgk8/K5weJb16e+YpcUz1 LPoA3C8TTcr8fRbA+l9/nVIZjYaVhE5LLXLaPmJYNP1aXFuC9h7hAP6wtzwHnAXu4YrP e/Mj+TYfeIEwY4LpN6Mv23sFw7DaKceUfNqtHNpfQUH+VuUyrqemQHC+7CW9gJWIVB5a C9BQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.53.3 with SMTP id x3mr1498665obo.87.1358959760701; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 08:49:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 17:49:20 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Video uploaded: Abstract Electronica on Axe-Fx II From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 16:49:21 +0000 (UTC) For this video I used an extremely simple setup of only two delays! That was great fun and I will stick with it. No quantification, no "undo". Typical "delay looping" but I just don't manipulate the two delay unit's feedback by expression pedals, I also have two momentary switch pedals so I can do sliced and ducking overdubs (what we call "SUS Substitute" in EDP-ish). Details on the setup, routing etc is in the YouTube video info text. I used the effects already inside the preamp/effect processor box. http://youtu.be/tzZRpC4TjHg Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 17:32:10 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4813183492; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 17:32:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-EIP: [1bhEpFQYPX+RDgESc8ZpA6sVeCbb7TaL] X-Originating-Email: [satyam.shivam.sundaram@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_815ae6be-554f-4f2b-ab9c-feb4ed333d0e_" From: Sergio Girardi Sender: To: Subject: RE: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 18:32:08 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2013 17:32:09.0288 (UTC) FILETIME=[923F6480:01CDF98F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 17:32:10 +0000 (UTC) --_815ae6be-554f-4f2b-ab9c-feb4ed333d0e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anders! :) You have fans in the Elektron community :) It does not really change much but I would like to ask you: would you sugge= st the use of the OT as only looper? I am fascineted now by the idea of having another looper like the LP2=2C ab= le to undo=2C to work on batteries=2C to do many things=2C and to be synced= =2C or to keep the Boomerang (if the new firmware which I will try out soon= will prove to be sold and to make it synced with the OT) and then buy a li= l looper for street performances when and if I will need it. I have for now totally left aside Ableton because I have no time to learn s= o many things and I cannot cope with other problems to solve (like syncing = the OT master and Ableton slave which is said to be a titanic effort). I say it does not change much=2C because in any case I will first get deepe= r with the OT=2C so I will probably find out myself hat I can and cannot co= pe about the OT. But I am interested in your opinion. Would you mind explaining more how to configure a midi controller to have t= wo pickup machines or three=2C as you said=2C working together to make undo= /redo? And I also did not understand what you said about the multitrack looper. Th= e OT can be considered a multitrack looper but my concern is that I have fo= und myself=2C with the Boomerang=2C using all four loops because I like to = minimize the use of overdub=2C I mean=2C I like to be able to have for exam= ple two or three rhytmic parts which I can loop=2C play=2C stop=2C mute sep= arately (which I do not know how to get if I put the three of them in one l= oops as overdubs)=2C so that I can to techno beatbox with variating rhythmi= c patterns. SO I organize things in different loops=2C and I start overdubbing only whe= n I have covered the available loops. The octatrack has 8 tracks=2C I was happy of the idea of 8 separate loops= =2C or 4 loops and 4 samples/flex (where by loop I mean something I improvi= se=2C and by sample something I have already prepared or downloaded). If I need 2 or 3 tracks for each loop which I want to be able to undo=2C hm= mm. Or these 3 pickup could all work as separate loops and all be able to undo= =2C in some way=2C feeding each other? Can you say more please? And how do you do exactly this of a longer master loop? In the manual they = suggest that the master should be shorter. Ser From: anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack Date: Wed=2C 23 Jan 2013 16:40:01 +0000 Love that Zappa quote :-) I agree a lot with using a instrument for what it= 's good at. If you look at the Octatrack and want full looper functionality= from ONE pickup machine you will be dissapointed. both if you want a Boss = style looper or if you are looking for a more experimental instrument like = the EDP. BUT if you both let the unique features of the Octa inspire and sp= end some time thinking out workarounds for you own "must functions". By usi= ng two pickup machines and a re-sample pickup machine=2C perhaps with some = clever MIDI functions for ease of use you can easily replicate the UNDO/RED= O that lets you play something quickly erase it if you don't like att redo = with something new.Another UNDO/REDO is the ability to replicate more loopi= ng track=2C you do a base loop=2C add something press undo to go back to wh= at was there before (peeling away a layer ) and the REDO to add it back in.= . that is easily done with a multi track looper so easily that you do not n= eed the function for THAT reason. I have managed to fake "quantizised replace" for some LP2=2C EDP style semi= stutter=2C even loop windowing of sorts can be done by having a short loo= p=2C loop a longer loop.. in fact it is probably a very unique Octatrack fe= ature since you can loop a part of a longer loop several times during the d= uration of the longer loop. I do this in two way=2C by having one longer ma= ster loop and the setting up a shorter loop that listens t o the longer. OR= re-sampling with a "flex machine" which allows me to replay the loop=2C or= parts of it on the sequencer and looper=2C pitchifts or anything you could= imagine taking looping loops from loops to new levels of crazyness.=20 Anders From: sdclements@gmail.com Date: Wed=2C 23 Jan 2013 07:56:55 -0700 Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com I hear ya man... the looping pick up machine was what prompted me to buy it= ... but then=2C well you know=2C I managed to watch eBay pickup a Gibson/Ob= erheim Echoplex Digital Pro I home the new EDP will come out this year... On Tue=2C Jan 22=2C 2013 at 4:11 PM=2C Sergio Girardi wrote: Pag 2 of the manual=2C suggested uses of the Octatrack: the first suggested= use is LOOPER DEVICE. So=2C do not tell me this please. As also I would like to shut up (sorry=2C I am angry=2C normally I am nicer= ) those who tell me "you should have read the manual before buying it=2C an= d would have noticed the absence of reference to undo. 200 pages of manual damn it! Are you kidding me? I still didnt read it all = after months! Anyway. I have decided to buy a proper looper battery operated. I have read the thread best battery operated looper=2C but no comparison ma= de=2C just names. The dl4 can be nice because I need a delay also but one loop is no deal. The lil is ok but limited. The lp2 can undo but not redo=2C uff... Date: Tue=2C 22 Jan 2013 14:00:25 -0800 Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack From: toddbert@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com An Octatrack is not a looper. It's a sampler which can do a few simple loop= ing tricks.=20 T On Tue=2C Jan 22=2C 2013 at 2:11 AM=2C Sergio Girardi wrote: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH THis cannot be true=2C I must be having a nightmare! How can I be so unlucky to fall from the Boomerang to something which costs= the double and cannot even UNDO a damn wrong overdub? Did they ever had a looper in their hand before projecting the pickup machi= nes????????????????????? Any cheap looper can Undo and a 1200 euro octatrack can undo lot of things = but not a overdub? Anders=2C did you find a workaround? I try to figure out if I can use more tracks to workaround this but=2C real= ly I am absolutely and totally indigned with Elektron. =20 --=20 http://toaster.bandcamp.com =20 = --_815ae6be-554f-4f2b-ab9c-feb4ed333d0e_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anders!
:)

You have fans in the Elektron community :)

It d= oes not really change much but I would like to ask you: would you suggest t= he use of the OT as only looper?
I am fascineted now by the idea of havi= ng another looper like the LP2=2C able to undo=2C to work on batteries=2C t= o do many things=2C and to be synced=2C or to keep the Boomerang (if the ne= w firmware which I will try out soon will prove to be sold and to make it s= ynced with the OT) and then buy a lil looper for street performances when a= nd if I will need it.
I have for now totally left aside Ableton because = I have no time to learn so many things and I cannot cope with other problem= s to solve (like syncing the OT master and Ableton slave which is said to b= e a titanic effort).
I say it does not change much=2C because in any cas= e I will first get deeper with the OT=2C so I will probably find out myself= hat I can and cannot cope about the OT.
But I am interested in your opi= nion.

Would you mind explaining more how to configure a midi control= ler to have two pickup machines or three=2C as you said=2C working together= to make undo/redo?
And I also did not understand what you said about th= e multitrack looper. The OT can be considered a multitrack looper but my co= ncern is that I have found myself=2C with the Boomerang=2C using all four l= oops because I like to minimize the use of overdub=2C I mean=2C I like to b= e able to have for example two or three rhytmic parts which I can loop=2C p= lay=2C stop=2C mute separately (which I do not know how to get if I put the= three of them in one loops as overdubs)=2C so that I can to techno beatbox= with variating rhythmic patterns.
SO I organize things in different loo= ps=2C and I start overdubbing only when I have covered the available loops.=
The octatrack has 8 tracks=2C I was happy of the idea of 8 separate loo= ps=2C or 4 loops and 4 samples/flex (where by loop I mean something I impro= vise=2C and by sample something I have already prepared or downloaded).
= If I need 2 or 3 tracks for each loop which I want to be able to undo=2C hm= mm.
Or these 3 pickup could all work as separate loops and all be able t= o undo=2C in some way=2C feeding each other?
Can you say more please?And how do you do exactly this of a longer master loop? In the manual they= suggest that the master should be shorter.

Ser


From: anders_e_bergd= ahl@hotmail.com
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: = About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack
Date: Wed=2C 23 Jan 2013 16:4= 0:01 +0000

Love that Zappa quote :-) I agree a lot with using a instrument for what it= 's good at. If you look at the Octatrack and want full looper functionality= from ONE pickup machine you will be dissapointed. both if you want a Boss = style looper or if you are looking for a more experimental instrument like = the EDP. BUT if you both let the unique features of the Octa inspire and sp= end some time thinking out workarounds for you own "must functions". = =3B
By using two pickup machines and a re-sample pickup machine=2C perh= aps with some clever MIDI functions for ease of use you can =3Beasily&n= bsp=3Breplicate the UNDO/REDO that lets you play something =3Bquickly&n= bsp=3Berase it if you don't like att redo with something new.
Ano= ther UNDO/REDO is the ability to replicate more looping track=2C you do a b= ase loop=2C add something press undo to go back to what was there before (p= eeling away a layer ) and the REDO to add it back in.. that is =3Beasil= y =3Bdone with a multi track looper so =3Beasily =3Bthat you do= not need the function for THAT reason.

I have man= aged to fake "quantizised replace" for some LP2=2C EDP style semi stutter= =2C even loop windowing  =3Bof sorts can be done by having a short loop= =2C loop a longer loop.. in fact it is probably a very unique Octatrack fea= ture since you can loop a part of a longer loop several times during the du= ration of the longer loop. I do this in two way=2C by having one longer mas= ter loop and the setting up a shorter loop that listens t o the longer. OR = re-sampling with a "flex machine" which allows me to replay the loop=2C or = parts of it on the =3Bsequencer and looper=2C pitchifts or anything you= could imagine taking looping loops from loops to new levels of crazyness.&= nbsp=3B


Anders



From= : sdclements@gmail.com
Date: Wed=2C 23 Jan 2013 07:56:55 -0700
Subjec= t: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack
To: Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com


I hear ya man... the looping pick up machine w= as what prompted me to buy it... but then=2C well you know=2C I managed to = watch eBay pickup a Gibson/Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro

I = home the new EDP will come out this year...



On Tue=2C Jan 22=2C 2013 at 4:11 = PM=2C Sergio Girardi <=3Bsimpliflying@gmail.com>=3B wrote:
Pag 2 of the manual=2C suggested uses of the Octatrack: the first suggested= use is LOOPER DEVICE.
So=2C do not tell me this please.
As also I wo= uld like to shut up (sorry=2C I am angry=2C normally I am nicer) those who = tell me "you should have read the manual before buying it=2C and would have= noticed the absence of reference to undo.
200 pages of manual damn it! Are you kidding me? I still didnt read it all = after months!
Anyway.
I have decided to buy a proper looper battery o= perated.
I have read the thread best battery operated looper=2C but no c= omparison made=2C just names.
The dl4 can be nice because I need a delay also but one loop is no deal.The lil is ok but limited.
The lp2 can undo but not redo=2C uff...
<= br>

Date: Tue=2C 22 Jan 2013 14:00:25 -0800
Subject: = Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack
From: toddbert@gmail.com
To: <= a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com


An Octatrack is not a looper. It's a sampler which can do a few simple = looping tricks. =3B

T

On Tue=2C Jan 22= =2C 2013 at 2:11 AM=2C Sergio Girardi <=3Bsimpliflying@gmail.com>=3B wrote:=
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH

THi= s cannot be true=2C I must be having a nightmare!
How can I be so unluck= y to fall from the Boomerang to something which costs the double and cannot= even UNDO a damn wrong overdub?
Did they ever had a looper in their hand before projecting the pickup machi= nes?????????????????????
Any cheap looper can Undo and a 1200 euro octat= rack can undo lot of things but not a overdub?

Anders=2C did you fin= d a workaround?
I try to figure out if I can use more tracks to workaround this but=2C real= ly I am absolutely and totally indigned with Elektron.



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= --_815ae6be-554f-4f2b-ab9c-feb4ed333d0e_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 17:51:57 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFADC183492; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 17:51:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1358963516; bh=+dzukwLCcSUqXU1Ga5AgF8RRU5pxkFTyxd52Sbh0Uzg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer; b=XK5LPijO4xLPXSbOlYi+fiJvV6k/rn7HkTF0kRiYUvO+klnR26zUVpVsWEtxBqqFW1EsawBamD8EJPeu44JjeURghw5VHfBhL1VtysBOnDQ80WHjjOIc3SQ+3FlnxDv+KcMHahDsm3Ik++D7APpGvRQfjzlIebmR1CWjliTt1ls= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 826750.60420.bm@smtp106.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 3zPq6z0VM1mzs0lHD_WK2s0He4esm9YYvfMEinFbXTmbWoq bBTplyacYv34jkoSh99h4E80bkWcGmieZgAXWhN1MR4D2tKYdozliEX6FSB6 mocz02yYoElfn6dwU5IehRBeZb2ulBBfZqtXdGkSCibHEg7R9stpMjObXS5b 3M2jmckdXCIqFP1I9q59Ae.CqkFhF7B4DgbMuHu133hAKFNq4a5WB3FAcJNx Nus_Hyg8wEEJ.h7Jpo9UeNIFRxzn.T0BqGRW.AFOD583ZFDrcOubI4t0T1z. 5tPpbDFtSGJ2Yil4YDDUoZMIrxWZQLo0G0pQBkILHmXlCIKSj2jyptnZcZEl 5QfLxweZ6S_JcxqH_VWfOxTx78qLNZyq0fjQeJQJQhtfmvSuKQwQQ6GFntUq .UlQg2MmT62pnyqCLeWSnDhMXHE0FeQJqraFARPF9k7QwaipXwSYpDwSiA4M khYTjaUI4z9O3uxS3a0ECSBAzjFBDuPVOk8J2vEZWFjTMiz8osYXn.49bbdU z0ONCll624rOABsAt7c6y X-Yahoo-SMTP: ILs26NSswBDuK82.iJb8TCN7cubm0SmUbZYidhSBIQ-- From: Laurie Amat Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_BC54CF63-29B4-4F70-9463-25C6C091F7D9" Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 09:51:57 -0800 In-Reply-To: <973DF568-1BB9-434A-8AE9-B21C970C703C@teddyjam.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <9DDA78B8-A7B8-4299-AEF8-C1E3168C384F@teddyjam.com> <973DF568-1BB9-434A-8AE9-B21C970C703C@teddyjam.com> Message-Id: <25A99044-E95C-4A54-B6DE-BE58734DC84B@att.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 17:51:57 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_BC54CF63-29B4-4F70-9463-25C6C091F7D9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey Jeff,=20 That undo was hiding from you, forcing you into total spontaneity! I've = been playing with the M-9, but I'm so used to the DL-4, that I forget to = use it.=20 As I read this thread, I was thinking of the fact that for those of us = who improvise, a "mistake" is really an opportunity. Now, if you're = setting down a pre-determined piece, a "mistake" can still be the same = opportunity, a way to develop a piece, to challenge you or wanting = something different. After all, we're musicians, adventure is in our = blood! Ser, being able to play music is a gift. Don't aggravate yourself = or blame the equipment. You are just up for the great music trip and = very privileged, as are we all (for aggravation-be a banker!) You're = probably going to surprise yourself, and as I said, this is all a gift. = Oh, and definitely read the manual. You may be surprised.=20 And it's not totally about the equipment. I've gotten so much out of my = DL-4 and that simplicity has made me so much more creative than I might = have been.=20 Cheers! On Jan 23, 2013, at 4:37 AM, teddyjam.com wrote: > usually, a "mistake" is just something you didn't mean to play. If you = are quick on your feet you can probably make something cool out of it. >=20 > What you have here is rich people's problems. Just go deeper into the = octatrack and find all the other cool shit it does and make those = mistakes into gold, brother... it probably does a whole bunch of stuff = no other looper does, right? Do those things... then smile >=20 > Teddy >=20 > On Jan 23, 2013, at 4:19 AM, Ser Yo wrote: >=20 >> Man, it is 36 years that I try not to make mistakes, but = unfortunately I do make them, often the same ones :) >> I wait for Anders to understand from him how he uses the OT with no = undo. >> But as you are so sure that one can do no mistakes (sure? Todd, live = performance, you get excited, no mistakes, ever?), I am interested in = knowing, from you and from the others, what else apart for the practice = could you suggest to organize the workflow with a looper with no undo, = to avoid being in a situation where you build a wonderful loop and at = the last overdub you mess it up.=20 >>=20 >> 2013/1/23 teddyjam.com >> ****don't give into the temptation, don't say it... don't say it... = don't.... don't say "stop making mistakes then you won't need undo".... = don't say it, don't say it**** >>=20 >> Teddy >>=20 >> On Jan 22, 2013, at 6:44 PM, Sergio Girardi wrote: >>=20 >>> you can correct a mistake with the undo >>=20 >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_BC54CF63-29B4-4F70-9463-25C6C091F7D9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hey = Jeff, 

That undo was hiding from you, forcing = you into total spontaneity!  I've been playing with the M-9, but = I'm so used to the DL-4, that I forget to use = it. 

As I read this thread, I was thinking = of the fact that for those of us who improvise, a "mistake" is really an = opportunity. Now, if you're setting down a pre-determined piece, a = "mistake" can still be the same opportunity, a way to develop a piece, = to challenge you or wanting something different. After all, we're = musicians, adventure is in our blood! Ser, being able to play music is a = gift. Don't aggravate yourself or blame the equipment. You are just up = for the great music trip and very privileged, as are we all (for = aggravation-be a banker!) You're probably going to surprise yourself, = and as I said, this is all a gift. Oh, and definitely read the manual. = You may be surprised. 

And it's not = totally about the equipment. I've gotten so much out of my DL-4 and that = simplicity has made me so much more creative than I might have = been. 

Cheers!


=

usually, a "mistake" is just something you didn't mean to play. = If you are quick on your feet you can probably make something cool out = of it.

What you have here = is rich people's problems. Just go deeper into the octatrack and find = all the other cool shit it does and make those mistakes into gold, = brother... it probably does a whole bunch of stuff no other looper does, = right? Do those things... then smile

Man, it is = 36 years that I try not to make mistakes, but unfortunately I do make = them, often the same ones :)
I wait for Anders to understand from him = how he uses the OT with no undo.
But as you are so sure that one can = do no mistakes (sure? Todd, live performance, you get excited, no = mistakes, ever?), I am interested in knowing, from you and from the = others, what else apart for the practice could you suggest to organize = the workflow with a looper with no undo, to avoid being in a situation = where you build a wonderful loop and at the last overdub you mess it up. =

2013/1/23 teddyjam.com <teddy@teddyjam.com>
****don't give into the temptation, don't say = it... don't say it... don't.... don't say "stop making mistakes then you = won't need undo".... don't say it, don't say it****

Teddy

On Jan 22, 2013, at 6:44 PM, Sergio Girardi = wrote:

you can correct a mistake = with the undo




= --Apple-Mail=_BC54CF63-29B4-4F70-9463-25C6C091F7D9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 18:06:12 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36737183495; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 18:06:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=mfAOwRshWfAxVwbVBXxn5AGIhLk3qLz8qNfl/sXmeKw=; b=YYj67KxUd5C8e06XnMshx89jj9ZDbFU62nvao9zPaeS3rvrRK+ILEr2q3H22Y+zgVP NlofEO9zkoKMs1Atw7blXUfvOTDPonAVZXwd/bD17m+1JWtdJYMllmM2n7ZtknxuK2TZ lLGEwOMO2PualWQkbNXlsA5LLj9rOHdLKrbGb7gUFGP3CvKqOeR9FTRAvYd49U5ceoz4 f78XOdFPA/Cwh3jSXiLxU58+sz5WLL7sSmaMAZt/1o7kIib2ed5VnpEa35Lx4NWH5p04 u2zD4v04RvibD8PQ+RzmqUzhF2cpvxWFvAkcLPs4jlYObVbPULRFxEgq/EIj48PAlfEy 6wcw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.43.83.1 with SMTP id ae1mr1695885icc.24.1358964371389; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 10:06:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <25A99044-E95C-4A54-B6DE-BE58734DC84B@att.net> References: <9DDA78B8-A7B8-4299-AEF8-C1E3168C384F@teddyjam.com> <973DF568-1BB9-434A-8AE9-B21C970C703C@teddyjam.com> <25A99044-E95C-4A54-B6DE-BE58734DC84B@att.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 19:06:11 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack From: Ser Yo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec519696d9e7ba504d3f88c53 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 18:06:12 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec519696d9e7ba504d3f88c53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yes, you too are right. I did so many mistakes guys, I know, I just was, I mean, last year was a total revolution for me, speaking at open heart as I like to do (even if these emails are available to google search, bah, I had no idea, and now anybody on the Earth knows I am in love, which, by the way, sorry guys, I had a busy end of the year and forgot to thank you all for the warmth), so, I started liking electronic music, I left my job, I spent all my money in gears doing lot of wrong purchases which I still have here, including the Ableton 8 which I never used, and bla bla, and I have seen myself that, well, it is really better to just go little by little, and not let the shopping mania to possess you, the illusion that you must buy all now, etc. The Boomerang was not for me but I did things with it, while the OT is so huge that I never did ANY music more since months! I do read the manual but till one month ago I had no time to practice so I was reading in the bus and, well, as somebody here said, one cannot understand anything from it without the OT in his hands. Well. In music as in life, one must obviously do step by step and work within the limitations with smile and creativity. I really have much wish to just jump in the workflow of practice and practice. So, let me send this email and the OT is already blinking with the new 1.22 OS (which adds no undo! Damn it! :D ). Ah, just to avoid misunderstanding in the community, when I said that I had a misunderstanding with Rick and that he made me notice the ambiguity of my words while still being able to salute me with a "yours, Rick" and I said here "he is great", I meant it, it was no sarcasm, but a real, lovely, "he is great", with appreciation. Be you all, please, sure that I may be impulsive and passionate and not a champion of waiting, but I am direct and sincere and transparent, and if I want to say something bad to some of you (which is almost impossible because it never happens to me to want to say bad things to people) I would be extremely clear. Till then, just trust me and suppose that whatever I say I am saying it with love and humor (humor, not sarcasm). Cheers to you all, Ser 2013/1/23 Laurie Amat > Hey Jeff, > > That undo was hiding from you, forcing you into total spontaneity! I've > been playing with the M-9, but I'm so used to the DL-4, that I forget to > use it. > > As I read this thread, I was thinking of the fact that for those of us who > improvise, a "mistake" is really an opportunity. Now, if you're setting > down a pre-determined piece, a "mistake" can still be the same opportunity, > a way to develop a piece, to challenge you or wanting something different. > After all, we're musicians, adventure is in our blood! Ser, being able to > play music is a gift. Don't aggravate yourself or blame the equipment. You > are just up for the great music trip and very privileged, as are we all > (for aggravation-be a banker!) You're probably going to surprise yourself, > and as I said, this is all a gift. Oh, and definitely read the manual. You > may be surprised. > > And it's not totally about the equipment. I've gotten so much out of my > DL-4 and that simplicity has made me so much more creative than I might > have been. > > Cheers! > > > On Jan 23, 2013, at 4:37 AM, teddyjam.com wrote: > > usually, a "mistake" is just something you didn't mean to play. If you are > quick on your feet you can probably make something cool out of it. > > What you have here is rich people's problems. Just go deeper into the > octatrack and find all the other cool shit it does and make those mistakes > into gold, brother... it probably does a whole bunch of stuff no other > looper does, right? Do those things... then smile > > Teddy > > On Jan 23, 2013, at 4:19 AM, Ser Yo wrote: > > Man, it is 36 years that I try not to make mistakes, but unfortunately I > do make them, often the same ones :) > I wait for Anders to understand from him how he uses the OT with no undo. > But as you are so sure that one can do no mistakes (sure? Todd, live > performance, you get excited, no mistakes, ever?), I am interested in > knowing, from you and from the others, what else apart for the practice > could you suggest to organize the workflow with a looper with no undo, to > avoid being in a situation where you build a wonderful loop and at the last > overdub you mess it up. > > 2013/1/23 teddyjam.com > >> ****don't give into the temptation, don't say it... don't say it... >> don't.... don't say "stop making mistakes then you won't need undo".... >> don't say it, don't say it**** >> >> Teddy >> >> On Jan 22, 2013, at 6:44 PM, Sergio Girardi wrote: >> >> you can correct a mistake with the undo >> >> >> > > > --bcaec519696d9e7ba504d3f88c53 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, you too are right.
I did so many mistakes guys, I know, I just was,= I mean, last year was a total revolution for me, speaking at open heart as= I like to do (even if these emails are available to google search, bah, I = had no idea, and now anybody on the Earth knows I am in love, which, by the= way, sorry guys, I had a busy end of the year and forgot to thank you all = for the warmth), so, I started liking electronic music, I left my job, I sp= ent all my money in gears doing lot of wrong purchases which I still have h= ere, including the Ableton 8 which I never used, and bla bla, and I have se= en myself that, well, it is really better to just go little by little, and = not let the shopping mania to possess you, the illusion that you must buy a= ll now, etc.
The Boomerang was not for me but I did things with it, while the OT is so h= uge that I never did ANY music more since months!
I do read the manual b= ut till one month ago I had no time to practice so I was reading in the bus= and, well, as somebody here said, one cannot understand anything from it w= ithout the OT in his hands.

Well.
In music as in life, one must obviously do step by step and wo= rk within the limitations with smile and creativity.

I really have m= uch wish to just jump in the workflow of practice and practice.
So, let = me send this email and the OT is already blinking with the new 1.22 OS (whi= ch adds no undo! Damn it! :D ).

Ah, just to avoid misunderstanding in the community, when I said that I= had a misunderstanding with Rick and that he made me notice the ambiguity = of my words while still being able to salute me with a "yours, Rick&qu= ot; and I said here "he is great", I meant it, it was no sarcasm,= but a real, lovely, "he is great", with appreciation.

Be you all, please, sure that I may be impulsive and passionate and not= a champion of waiting, but I am direct and sincere and transparent, and if= I want to say something bad to some of you (which is almost impossible bec= ause it never happens to me to want to say bad things to people) I would be= extremely clear.
Till then, just trust me and suppose that whatever I say I am saying it wit= h love and humor (humor, not sarcasm).

Cheers to you all,
Ser
=
2013/1/23 Laurie Amat <= voicesound@att.net<= /a>>
Hey Jeff= ,=A0

That undo was hiding from you, forcing you into tot= al spontaneity! =A0I've been playing with the M-9, but I'm so used = to the DL-4, that I forget to use it.=A0

As I read this thread, I was thinking of the fact that = for those of us who improvise, a "mistake" is really an opportuni= ty. Now, if you're setting down a pre-determined piece, a "mistake= " can still be the same opportunity, a way to develop a piece, to chal= lenge you or wanting something different. After all, we're musicians, a= dventure is in our blood! Ser, being able to play music is a gift. Don'= t aggravate yourself or blame the equipment. You are just up for the great = music trip and very privileged, as are we all (for aggravation-be a banker!= ) You're probably going to surprise yourself, and as I said, this is al= l a gift. Oh, and definitely read the manual. You may be surprised.=A0

And it's not totally about the equipment. I've = gotten so much out of my DL-4 and that simplicity has made me so much more = creative than I might have been.=A0

Cheers!


On Jan 23, 2013, at 4:37 AM, <= a href=3D"http://teddyjam.com" target=3D"_blank">teddyjam.com wrote:
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= usually, a "mistake" is just somet= hing you didn't mean to play. If you are quick on your feet you can pro= bably make something cool out of it.
=
What you have here is rich people's problems. Just go deeper= into the octatrack and find all the other cool shit it does and make those= mistakes into gold, brother... it probably does a whole bunch of stuff no = other looper does, right? Do those things... then smile
=
Teddy

On Jan 23, 2013, at 4:19 AM, Ser Yo wrote:

Man, it is 36 years that I try not to make mistakes, but u= nfortunately I do make them, often the same ones :)
I wait for Anders to= understand from him how he uses the OT with no undo.
But as you are so sure that one can do no mistakes (sure? Todd, live perfor= mance, you get excited, no mistakes, ever?), I am interested in knowing, fr= om you and from the others, what else apart for the practice could you sugg= est to organize the workflow with a looper with no undo, to avoid being in = a situation where you build a wonderful loop and at the last overdub you me= ss it up.

2013/1/23 teddyjam.com <teddy@teddyjam.com>
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
= ****don't give into the temptation, don&= #39;t say it... don't say it... don't.... don't say "stop = making mistakes then you won't need undo".... don't say it, do= n't say it****
=
Teddy

On Jan 22, 2013, at 6:44 PM, Sergio Girardi wrote:

<= blockquote type=3D"cite"><= span style=3D"font-family:Tahoma;font-size:13px">you can correct a mistake = with the undo





--bcaec519696d9e7ba504d3f88c53-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 18:48:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 452A5183495; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 18:48:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date :to; bh=UtWI/QtvfVFaSxgM+X2A/a0rdi/ZlAG1y2KzQj15sJc=; b=lY+Fn8Of2f9ixpgaCdbzEUcZJA8z+hBkVJLCFEDHZMB8l/6W92WAABxw6mv4HpJD7o Lh99zQwXkxLTr+gGvhwroeuPa4sCbBTRwuyva5KVxGbL7pN0T3jdrUmShZB11tJufZGH IDhs6UuDSaR7TMaywTl4jNCrz+6bkAtDrkaf3eHGAWV2ODtvCX/j5fr1YI4ZcJ/Tdm7k nrpHSrTXgQ+f3/lVP0vDOvLuEhChxX4P1rQZSNCIfJtrFjRZKG+jL2hYYH8OvbQ9p0Gg 4t1kvthjUo1epIqA+6QJMfqk1ODFnzRk1SMdzFbLbv4ehCJwc1YunaXK7dCO6CSAixsF q7sw== X-Received: by 10.68.237.135 with SMTP id vc7mr6310650pbc.2.1358966914664; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 10:48:34 -0800 (PST) References: <9DDA78B8-A7B8-4299-AEF8-C1E3168C384F@teddyjam.com> <973DF568-1BB9-434A-8AE9-B21C970C703C@teddyjam.com> <25A99044-E95C-4A54-B6DE-BE58734DC84B@att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-F5F79646-3F81-47DB-9745-4DE0F17038EB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1B8F8385-BB4C-4329-ACC5-02480CCCC152@gmail.com> Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10A551) From: Philip Clevenger Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 10:48:33 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 18:48:36 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-F5F79646-3F81-47DB-9745-4DE0F17038EB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What a lovely note :) Sent from my iPhone On Jan 23, 2013, at 10:06 AM, Ser Yo wrote: > Yes, you too are right. > I did so many mistakes guys, I know, I just was, I mean, last year was a t= otal revolution for me, speaking at open heart as I like to do (even if thes= e emails are available to google search, bah, I had no idea, and now anybody= on the Earth knows I am in love, which, by the way, sorry guys, I had a bus= y end of the year and forgot to thank you all for the warmth), so, I started= liking electronic music, I left my job, I spent all my money in gears doing= lot of wrong purchases which I still have here, including the Ableton 8 whi= ch I never used, and bla bla, and I have seen myself that, well, it is reall= y better to just go little by little, and not let the shopping mania to poss= ess you, the illusion that you must buy all now, etc. > The Boomerang was not for me but I did things with it, while the OT is so h= uge that I never did ANY music more since months! > I do read the manual but till one month ago I had no time to practice so I= was reading in the bus and, well, as somebody here said, one cannot underst= and anything from it without the OT in his hands. >=20 > Well. > In music as in life, one must obviously do step by step and work within th= e limitations with smile and creativity. >=20 > I really have much wish to just jump in the workflow of practice and pract= ice. > So, let me send this email and the OT is already blinking with the new 1.2= 2 OS (which adds no undo! Damn it! :D ). >=20 > Ah, just to avoid misunderstanding in the community, when I said that I ha= d a misunderstanding with Rick and that he made me notice the ambiguity of m= y words while still being able to salute me with a "yours, Rick" and I said h= ere "he is great", I meant it, it was no sarcasm, but a real, lovely, "he is= great", with appreciation. >=20 > Be you all, please, sure that I may be impulsive and passionate and not a c= hampion of waiting, but I am direct and sincere and transparent, and if I wa= nt to say something bad to some of you (which is almost impossible because i= t never happens to me to want to say bad things to people) I would be extrem= ely clear. > Till then, just trust me and suppose that whatever I say I am saying it wi= th love and humor (humor, not sarcasm). >=20 > Cheers to you all, > Ser >=20 > 2013/1/23 Laurie Amat >> Hey Jeff,=20 >>=20 >> That undo was hiding from you, forcing you into total spontaneity! I've b= een playing with the M-9, but I'm so used to the DL-4, that I forget to use i= t.=20 >>=20 >> As I read this thread, I was thinking of the fact that for those of us wh= o improvise, a "mistake" is really an opportunity. Now, if you're setting do= wn a pre-determined piece, a "mistake" can still be the same opportunity, a w= ay to develop a piece, to challenge you or wanting something different. Afte= r all, we're musicians, adventure is in our blood! Ser, being able to play m= usic is a gift. Don't aggravate yourself or blame the equipment. You are jus= t up for the great music trip and very privileged, as are we all (for aggrav= ation-be a banker!) You're probably going to surprise yourself, and as I sai= d, this is all a gift. Oh, and definitely read the manual. You may be surpri= sed.=20 >>=20 >> And it's not totally about the equipment. I've gotten so much out of my D= L-4 and that simplicity has made me so much more creative than I might have b= een.=20 >>=20 >> Cheers! >>=20 >>=20 >> On Jan 23, 2013, at 4:37 AM, teddyjam.com wrote: >>=20 >>> usually, a "mistake" is just something you didn't mean to play. If you a= re quick on your feet you can probably make something cool out of it. >>>=20 >>> What you have here is rich people's problems. Just go deeper into the oc= tatrack and find all the other cool shit it does and make those mistakes int= o gold, brother... it probably does a whole bunch of stuff no other looper d= oes, right? Do those things... then smile >>>=20 >>> Teddy >>>=20 >>> On Jan 23, 2013, at 4:19 AM, Ser Yo wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Man, it is 36 years that I try not to make mistakes, but unfortunately I= do make them, often the same ones :) >>>> I wait for Anders to understand from him how he uses the OT with no und= o. >>>> But as you are so sure that one can do no mistakes (sure? Todd, live pe= rformance, you get excited, no mistakes, ever?), I am interested in knowing,= from you and from the others, what else apart for the practice could you su= ggest to organize the workflow with a looper with no undo, to avoid being in= a situation where you build a wonderful loop and at the last overdub you me= ss it up.=20 >>>>=20 >>>> 2013/1/23 teddyjam.com >>>>> ****don't give into the temptation, don't say it... don't say it... do= n't.... don't say "stop making mistakes then you won't need undo".... don't s= ay it, don't say it**** >>>>>=20 >>>>> Teddy >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Jan 22, 2013, at 6:44 PM, Sergio Girardi wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> you can correct a mistake with the undo >=20 --Apple-Mail-F5F79646-3F81-47DB-9745-4DE0F17038EB Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What a lovely note :)

Sent from= my iPhone

On Jan 23, 2013, at 10:06 AM, Ser Yo <simpliflying@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, you too are right.
I did so ma= ny mistakes guys, I know, I just was, I mean, last year was a total revoluti= on for me, speaking at open heart as I like to do (even if these emails are a= vailable to google search, bah, I had no idea, and now anybody on the Earth k= nows I am in love, which, by the way, sorry guys, I had a busy end of the ye= ar and forgot to thank you all for the warmth), so, I started liking electro= nic music, I left my job, I spent all my money in gears doing lot of wrong p= urchases which I still have here, including the Ableton 8 which I never used= , and bla bla, and I have seen myself that, well, it is really better to jus= t go little by little, and not let the shopping mania to possess you, the il= lusion that you must buy all now, etc.
The Boomerang was not for me but I did things with it, while the OT is so hu= ge that I never did ANY music more since months!
I do read the manual but= till one month ago I had no time to practice so I was reading in the bus an= d, well, as somebody here said, one cannot understand anything from it witho= ut the OT in his hands.

Well.
In music as in life, one must obviously do step by step and wor= k within the limitations with smile and creativity.

I really have muc= h wish to just jump in the workflow of practice and practice.
So, let me s= end this email and the OT is already blinking with the new 1.22 OS (which ad= ds no undo! Damn it! :D ).

Ah, just to avoid misunderstanding in the community, when I said that I h= ad a misunderstanding with Rick and that he made me notice the ambiguity of m= y words while still being able to salute me with a "yours, Rick" and I said h= ere "he is great", I meant it, it was no sarcasm, but a real, lovely, "he is= great", with appreciation.

Be you all, please, sure that I may be impulsive and passionate and not a= champion of waiting, but I am direct and sincere and transparent, and if I w= ant to say something bad to some of you (which is almost impossible because i= t never happens to me to want to say bad things to people) I would be extrem= ely clear.
Till then, just trust me and suppose that whatever I say I am saying it with= love and humor (humor, not sarcasm).

Cheers to you all,
Ser
2013/1/23 Laurie Amat <voicesound@att.net&g= t;
Hey Jeff,&= nbsp;

That undo was hiding from you, forcing you into tot= al spontaneity!  I've been playing with the M-9, but I'm so used to the= DL-4, that I forget to use it. 

As I read this thread, I was thinking of the fact that f= or those of us who improvise, a "mistake" is really an opportunity. Now, if y= ou're setting down a pre-determined piece, a "mistake" can still be the same= opportunity, a way to develop a piece, to challenge you or wanting somethin= g different. After all, we're musicians, adventure is in our blood! Ser, bei= ng able to play music is a gift. Don't aggravate yourself or blame the equip= ment. You are just up for the great music trip and very privileged, as are w= e all (for aggravation-be a banker!) You're probably going to surprise yours= elf, and as I said, this is all a gift. Oh, and definitely read the manual. Y= ou may be surprised. 

And it's not totally about the equipment. I've gotten so= much out of my DL-4 and that simplicity has made me so much more creative t= han I might have been. 

Cheers!


On Jan 23, 2013, at 4:37 AM, teddyjam.com wrote:
usually, a "mistake" is just something you didn't mean= to play. If you are quick on your feet you can probably make something cool= out of it.

What you= have here is rich people's problems. Just go deeper into the octatrack and f= ind all the other cool shit it does and make those mistakes into gold, broth= er... it probably does a whole bunch of stuff no other looper does, right? D= o those things... then smile

Teddy

On Jan 23, 2013, at 4:19 AM, Ser Yo wrote:

Man, it is 36 years that I try not to make mistakes, but unf= ortunately I do make them, often the same ones :)
I wait for Anders to un= derstand from him how he uses the OT with no undo.
But as you are so sure that one can do no mistakes (sure? Todd, live perform= ance, you get excited, no mistakes, ever?), I am interested in knowing, from= you and from the others, what else apart for the practice could you suggest= to organize the workflow with a looper with no undo, to avoid being in a si= tuation where you build a wonderful loop and at the last overdub you mess it= up.

2013/1/23 teddyjam.com <teddy@teddyjam.com>
****don't give into the temptation, don't say it... do= n't say it... don't.... don't say "stop making mistakes then you won't need u= ndo".... don't say it, don't say it****

Teddy

On Jan 22, 2013, at 6:44 PM, Sergio Girardi wrote:

you can correct a mistake with th= e undo





= --Apple-Mail-F5F79646-3F81-47DB-9745-4DE0F17038EB-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 18:52:26 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F297183495; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 18:52:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lPXlXlHl8/VmBt+4Ar6T9rWcHA4P0hsSoUXCMwL2Ijs=; b=Dka6XCukZ7kWLf9UFuctolNROqt+Lw4NI6MZhT0Avr4e4t6MFJoRHTt+wljrrF/1Oq oGgGievdkK2fLUs27hE4fIXTt7HO+YDU82dyU5QVLa78G4krDInvf94au1KWFvAIF5Ol t3Zqs+flH3M4y0GSRUdQJKBhFrYgrULMvNxYtIhhX2oRcuslhBz+XWQ449u20Rye1akS NoQpAQQvC0tNvcHwDBK2iD1SDkQR+HiMBPMy6Elsue2VYaMooy042LzNltsAa0WPSWe0 Z878CB+qtl3mxGybSBK07cDpzpUzCIMJg2bsaxQW95wpnjV2V7lBtmvk7bdfTgb9VagP DiPA== X-Received: by 10.204.9.3 with SMTP id j3mr817874bkj.52.1358967144898; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 10:52:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5100316F.1050709@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 19:52:31 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Looper's Delight Mailing List Subject: Slightly OT: NAMM News from Eventide - H9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 18:52:25 +0000 (UTC) http://ftp.eventide.com/h9/index.htm Seems the tricky thing is that it can run any of the Eventide Stompox algorithms. And it's got an ultratap delay, a true classic for those to whom "looping" means "lots of delays". -r -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 19:18:01 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6CD4183494; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 19:18:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #113868007 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+jXpgGZ7SjIibh0tYz/Wr/nPYG/KMNYynBHka4DO ECRfaGPJNeH1Lj From: Christoph Lehmann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: New EHX Multi-Track Looping Recorder announced ! Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:17:59 +0100 Message-Id: <03DD36B8-9CD2-4168-AD91-DE7D88A4F9AE@gmx.de> To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 19:18:01 +0000 (UTC) Electro Harmonix announced a new Looper !!! Have a look: http://www.ehx.com/products/45000_ Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 19:21:07 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C016183492; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 19:21:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=B7dGPdvm95YhC97hW/wkle6YOJbuQMQHSq7DfyE9dqo=; b=pgxzL3lW54hhehLcXT/8Ydf5PsQ4zPGihsEi4AtYL/Eimw0KK9Zt9UwEH2FR7phL7Q QW8D729rESxjSrOIZgZyDGKlp8ItUQZ5ST5WjEFyactuFyOdLQYz/2WqJfXW6XX7UD5f Y+cpU45yFUNCtS0y9X1lLggcCk9iq+fPEYOCufqJmZz7JSMRusZAG0/8GDh/3yOAkgNN K7RGS6It6vAcKjAGM/4gm2xRMEz7YotCY/WpL7HK6vXPFF0NGVP8QzWu85y2HBdCEzhW 0P52AL8yyu2DJ/hT41u14hMLiAAK6E0VnUC2lbo3ujVHa1lpvcMj6aBvh3Zx23j5uakK YNsw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.23.200 with SMTP id o8mr1898475oef.48.1358968866545; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 11:21:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <03DD36B8-9CD2-4168-AD91-DE7D88A4F9AE@gmx.de> References: <03DD36B8-9CD2-4168-AD91-DE7D88A4F9AE@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 11:21:06 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New EHX Multi-Track Looping Recorder announced ! From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 19:21:07 +0000 (UTC) But it doesn't have......... :-) Kevin On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Christoph Lehmann wrote: > Electro Harmonix announced a new Looper !!! > Have a look: http://www.ehx.com/products/45000_ > > Chris > -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 19:36:15 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F8DB183494; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 19:36:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #113868007 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+jl8ReX4Sjp4Gh4iNcxs+y/YXeujxofdpHgJ1zTr zMfjg1sxCdaFJL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Subject: Re: New EHX Multi-Track Looping Recorder announced ! From: Christoph Lehmann In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:31:12 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <03DD36B8-9CD2-4168-AD91-DE7D88A4F9AE@gmx.de> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 19:36:15 +0000 (UTC) You're hinting at feedback? But it seems to have other interesting functions. The specs say most parameters are controllable via midi. It would be fantastic if you could assign the tempo fader to a pedal :) Am 23.01.2013 um 20:21 schrieb Kevin Cheli-Colando: > But it doesn't have......... > > :-) > > Kevin > > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Christoph Lehmann wrote: >> Electro Harmonix announced a new Looper !!! >> Have a look: http://www.ehx.com/products/45000_ >> >> Chris >> > > > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 19:47:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EDF2183494; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 19:47:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:47:20 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <50FECF7A.7090806@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <20130123194720.55910@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <50FD96AF.1020904@tiscali.co.uk> <20130122160436.85430@gmx.net> <50FECF7A.7090806@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: TC-Ditto fatal flaw To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18V8088xxAVgyWkhR0i/d8+KtI+n/mPdZYtttXbfr HZQ4nUeyuOp5j7M8fj8wRgagJd/vmHrbWEOQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: H1tycbN0eSEqVMh4kHUhzUB+IGRvb0Dl Resent-Message-ID: <4NAGtD.A.AJH.L5DARB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 19:47:24 +0000 (UTC) Sure, I always do a first/initial review and then in-depth review of gear anyway. :) I'll let you know. best regards, Buzap -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:42:18 +0000 > Von: andy butler > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: TC-Ditto fatal flaw > > > Buzap Buzap wrote: > > Hi Andy > > > > I have just ordered one today - I'll let you know!! > > > > would you consider writing a review for livelooping.org? > > > > andy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 19:59:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0A7418348F; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 19:59:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=C332gDQnQAxMg3S+wq9eCbyAbhd3F72ANkPFMPmHyRE=; b=FYhnjfr8KIPumwkYHm6tJqhU7zhJDFrC3q29dV7QLEBhcGRI2LXAo/7mpC9OkVktxM 46mI27e7muvGKHfhR7rcMuCLbo/jJR1ivJK3POGZivZglnxxLMHETYWlpt9XXuxtsxCG C952lp8g7lCLutn5HYDhj/GhzyXVtqDdwvW10ntqr87B4l5FAK8HK38o8pfKfctmFt/T WziCPv62mh6fjWxe1zFpSSelxh269TDUDnR3WH8fgEsHsIih+WO1DTcn6r3+Rq1CS7Qd kmlI7Zr+dGA3SVNpYu2Mz3nrw/Ih5i0XEclck3jPCwdK+Nq9JjUpgb1FMBomn/7BIis8 EbXQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.71.178 with SMTP id w18mr3244703qeu.11.1358971143252; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 11:59:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <03DD36B8-9CD2-4168-AD91-DE7D88A4F9AE@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:59:03 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New EHX Multi-Track Looping Recorder announced ! From: Jeff Duke To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b67862640ec1204d3fa2055 Resent-Message-ID: <_SGUZB.A.xcH.HEEARB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 19:59:03 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b67862640ec1204d3fa2055 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am disappointed by it. It is just the same as the 2880 except that you can store your loops for editing and reloading. For me a non interest. It also has an added mono mix monitor output. whoopie! lol Maybe some specs are different but I didn't notice anything else from a brief look at the manual. Next please! Jeff On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Christoph Lehmann wrote: > You're hinting at feedback? > > But it seems to have other interesting functions. > The specs say most parameters are controllable via midi. > It would be fantastic if you could assign the tempo fader to a pedal :) > > > > > Am 23.01.2013 um 20:21 schrieb Kevin Cheli-Colando: > > > But it doesn't have......... > > > > :-) > > > > Kevin > > > > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Christoph Lehmann > wrote: > >> Electro Harmonix announced a new Looper !!! > >> Have a look: http://www.ehx.com/products/45000_ > >> > >> Chris > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all > trouble. > > > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > > > --047d7b67862640ec1204d3fa2055 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am disappointed by it. It is just the sam= e as the 2880 except that you can store your loops for editing and reloadin= g. For me a non interest. It also has an added mono mix monitor output. who= opie! lol

Maybe some specs are different but I didn't notice anything e= lse from a brief look at the manual.

Next please!

Jeff


On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Christoph Lehmann <krrrs@gmx.de>= wrote:
You're hinting at feedback?

But it seems to have other interesting functions.
The specs say most parameters are controllable via midi.
It would be fantastic if you could assign the tempo fader to a pedal :)




Am 23.01.2013 um 20:21 schrieb Kevin Cheli-Colando:

> But it doesn't have.........
>
> :-)
>
> Kevin
>
> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Christoph Lehmann <krrrs@gmx.de> wrote:
>> Electro Harmonix announced a new Looper !!!
>> Have a look: http://www.ehx.com/products/45000_
>>
>> Chris
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have = a
> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trou= ble.
>
> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
>


--047d7b67862640ec1204d3fa2055-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 20:01:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A55B183493; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:01:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0Db9SNbykmj5z/QURZ7y/w7KCUnwoiEb+94Z9yzUfVI=; b=LOdNdaAFydD62OlrWrciTd7yMu8ZvZWUrJJ5D6NZNfkmTMyD+IGUT7iua9ROMMeNC4 kQYdBqmUT+NGIkX5bcgNitqOkcEdpjVHZtXsJQfO1dB0nboh0q8qOWJCJrO9UxzdOX1r eNuZm2XKrHPwqhdWRxbm7m89IfomS22kLGOaGwufppLlwEQpdXfdbPnwVSudj4CwRxHJ BYhdSrXZokM4qyWcCl0GVFLn5N94BpHtyPf0UiWo3ubBxIOFlxiA7umpx6iACUBz8vHs xLcLnGT80VNdyb5hza+zRYRq7WBvvRnbGtWfX1P8XjxdVOhp91uq+LXndjoa1kPe2Nly EVxQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.6.227 with SMTP id e3mr2079727oea.66.1358971262851; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:01:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <03DD36B8-9CD2-4168-AD91-DE7D88A4F9AE@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 21:01:02 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New EHX Multi-Track Looping Recorder announced ! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:01:03 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Christoph Lehmann wrote: > The specs say most parameters are controllable via midi. That's where I closed the page. It should have read "all". Is this another company that believes guitarists are less intelligent? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 20:05:12 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8CE0183492; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:05:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #113868007 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18dAWkGAoodEdLEF1uYcUiF96nQRRTPohba+Lg5ZA 28qZE/M9aUGAxX From: Christoph Lehmann Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C5C78358-3EFC-4297-BE49-B1529A96AD51" Subject: Re: New EHX Multi-Track Looping Recorder announced ! Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 21:05:10 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <03DD36B8-9CD2-4168-AD91-DE7D88A4F9AE@gmx.de> Message-Id: <04CAEB70-0D85-4132-B674-90A2D7FE9F33@gmx.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:05:12 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_C5C78358-3EFC-4297-BE49-B1529A96AD51 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii =46rom the manual: "The only parameters you cannot control are L and R INPUT gain knobs and = HEADPHONE Volume knob. " Am 23.01.2013 um 21:01 schrieb Per Boysen: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Christoph Lehmann = wrote: >> The specs say most parameters are controllable via midi. >=20 > That's where I closed the page. It should have read "all". Is this > another company that believes guitarists are less intelligent? >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 --Apple-Mail=_C5C78358-3EFC-4297-BE49-B1529A96AD51 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
From the manual:

"The only parameters you cannot control are L and R INPUT gain knobs and HEADPHONE Volume knob. "


Am 23.01.2013 um 21:01 schrieb Per Boysen:

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Christoph Lehmann <krrrs@gmx.de> wrote:
The specs say most parameters are controllable via midi.

That's where I closed the page. It should have read "all". Is this
another company that believes guitarists are less intelligent?

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen


--Apple-Mail=_C5C78358-3EFC-4297-BE49-B1529A96AD51-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 20:06:33 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E6DC183497; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:06:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=dxXh0+3J/cvVU2D3uq/w8+IuBzKmP1MIaX9VWDCj/3E=; b=hKgBopStap429v6nF4qsFpPGqPTCFSfpDytoS/g4X/lkySU/KRi8lk3e4GmcNS6x4X pY1tbKA1daLW2NvELUN9AGrKCW3pGSkBu4xe06ZENAepaqzKXB/Awpn5aHJji+LMbfNw VOB8BOyYQ76Eviiver6lb+OZtt7R5gWfL40CC7vdpK9QDGeMMkyvKx2lo5bfSDxCY/6Z 0TIptw73RLFCVZDXKfkf/j24u/5JrtqBtKl+HmDfVU19A4Xu6hDQTAtDuSiDRKZKXFGb qBn/SEoI6S2ePMwnIM97sGfk2malAbIZyIrezyjys5OAR0Lof16Yft1qEwCKzX8iMlpP Ic1Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.215.3 with SMTP id hc3mr3169462qab.47.1358971592802; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:06:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <03DD36B8-9CD2-4168-AD91-DE7D88A4F9AE@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 15:06:32 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New EHX Multi-Track Looping Recorder announced ! From: Jeff Duke To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300fb25d0c807104d3fa3b5b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:06:33 +0000 (UTC) --20cf300fb25d0c807104d3fa3b5b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You can control tempo with a midi ex ped. On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Christoph Lehmann wrote: > You're hinting at feedback? > > But it seems to have other interesting functions. > The specs say most parameters are controllable via midi. > It would be fantastic if you could assign the tempo fader to a pedal :) > > > > > Am 23.01.2013 um 20:21 schrieb Kevin Cheli-Colando: > > > But it doesn't have......... > > > > :-) > > > > Kevin > > > > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Christoph Lehmann > wrote: > >> Electro Harmonix announced a new Looper !!! > >> Have a look: http://www.ehx.com/products/45000_ > >> > >> Chris > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all > trouble. > > > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > > > --20cf300fb25d0c807104d3fa3b5b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You can control tempo with a midi ex ped.


On Wed, Jan 23, 2013= at 2:31 PM, Christoph Lehmann <krrrs@gmx.de> wrote:
You're hinting at feedback?

But it seems to have other interesting functions.
The specs say most parameters are controllable via midi.
It would be fantastic if you could assign the tempo fader to a pedal :)




Am 23.01.2013 um 20:21 schrieb Kevin Cheli-Colando:

> But it doesn't have.........
>
> :-)
>
> Kevin
>
> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Christoph Lehmann <krrrs@gmx.de> wrote:
>> Electro Harmonix announced a new Looper !!!
>> Have a look: http://www.ehx.com/products/45000_
>>
>> Chris
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have = a
> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trou= ble.
>
> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
>


--20cf300fb25d0c807104d3fa3b5b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 20:11:49 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A40691834A3; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:11:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 575882.69370.bm@omp1020.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1358971908; bh=dyq0+MDOSP+WA1VuSoAvgLjcc5AvVl/7JABBOAN22xs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0qzwu5kZne/CLppiz+q6HBNa1Z6NbI5/K+p5htAl/D0IhscSnIj1ta7ewkjxjurY+IgMwewoJw0csy0Esjq/kY8eBUnEv3S9S19XjK54q2vqiybdjEyrELuwEkJA+eWcJGXMjo9j2zFYyJDZSlKt0NqPa9if7r5k45Vtw+w0zo8= X-YMail-OSG: aJQPjHQVM1kvzrBqwk9Rem4aeqw2OkUkTur2mRrdHBCL3F7 X5CLTi2s3gUgVDlJPKWHHCNxd2pniVApUgK5Indnp.1PJQwF_.JXrajvLtXo ApbfQCw1cSMMIVcl2l9vERJXYr.ZtTub.dmCocO2DsIRdKE_ALQlYNkTE_3z tlssfIYljAnyYN_3wadLeVkdQF4LvMO5kFdj7fGev3WSHs78or621fu6C6uA QXLBX1xuZSUt._kJ0C97g_lK8AIKAE9NiUO_KvTLVkWxNmdrK.O.0Nu4f5c3 jLadRd5.Uy9NsF3mpmQfvhu4EjFH0KfuSZuWlkhQmFrePDTFsJEce69MD3TA baorDvPzuJAwg1kn.Y_n3qIe0uSpbcsPD6uPDIH95I0wO0p1zSnZglqvWHtv 977pAVA9PW_iYAUGgAyuN8Y469AcSbsrAXJwv7Fm0V4Ecstk7kQOJOYt6ivW vno0E.AngfoNmkUyIhjTF.i6Cr5VSUdJhSa7zn1zYIHb68d5dQlZrKP3nzgd x35Zf7QXcOBAwQF04ODwDrUwHKww4_UC_bxgS8N_pu3g1FWxQRLhrRwNhtWk rzZwp4UUtG.I56E0ENLShMI9PwBBzf.a35MoJQwOIi0zWc5NUIAOHsJscACO 25KbZiHPudpNjaWc7qRi0p1uofqBaI_xNo.zZxhdYl5_aVS9LDh4qcLjEt9u auAxuf02Tdbk0W8dLJknJjeDXLBSd9NL79MUH9yhgK66_VzpCbsG6V7MBxz5 7o3WYLNSvSNr67GnX X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,DQprdWRvcyB0byB5b3UsIGJ1emFwLg0KaSBiYXJlbHkgaGF2ZSB0aW1lIHRvIGJydXNoIG15IHRlZXRoLCBhbmQgaGVyZSB5b3UgYXJlIGRvaW5nIGEgdGVzdCBmb3IgdXMuDQppIGFwcHJlY2lhdGUgeW91ciB0aW1lLCBhbmQgaSBsb29rIGZ3ZCB0byB5b3VyIGZpbmRpbmdzLCBldmVuIHRob3VnaCBpIGFtIGRlc3RpbmVkIGZvciBhbiBscC0yLg0KDQoNClRpbSBNdW5nZW5hc3QNCkVkaXRvci9Xcml0ZXIvUHJvb2ZyZWFkZXI6IHd3dy5saW5rZWRpbi5jb20vaW4vdGltbXVuZ2VuYXN0DQpHdWl0YXJpc3QvQ28BMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.130.494 Message-ID: <1358971908.66907.YahooMailClassic@web84507.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:11:48 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: TC-Ditto fatal flaw To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20130123194720.55910@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:11:49 +0000 (UTC) kudos to you, buzap. i barely have time to brush my teeth, and here you are doing a test for us. i appreciate your time, and i look fwd to your findings, even though i am destined for an lp-2. Tim Mungenast Editor/Writer/Proofreader: www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast Guitarist/Composer/Vocalist: www.reverbnation.com/timmungenast --- On Wed, 1/23/13, Buzap Buzap wrote: > From: Buzap Buzap > Subject: Re: TC-Ditto fatal flaw > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 2:47 PM > Sure, I always do a first/initial > review and then in-depth review of gear anyway. :) > I'll let you know. > best regards, Buzap > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > > Datum: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:42:18 +0000 > > Von: andy butler > > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Betreff: Re: TC-Ditto fatal flaw > > > > > > > Buzap Buzap wrote: > > > Hi Andy > > > > > > I have just ordered one today - I'll let you > know!! > > > > > > > would you consider writing a review for > livelooping.org? > > > > > > > > andy > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 20:15:09 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80FD41834B0; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:15:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 590361.47351.bm@omp1003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1358972108; bh=OEI2hpDrt31tGcNI1XZl3FI972W+cx86c/zSw957wss=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=c8n2rZTDkU+f0F5d1dA9WfeuwkCd3/YwNpOU367xhOC/Pzjx4z5jHkIFngi7Y0uS3sF02UIjp13DsKzd3phiCBphT5sgG1gTRs7XwnwM4XKx6qjzZ9ywpH+zHiUrUcQUKj+zjKgt7ct3mvHYcKxZp0zhJOQxDK5YA9w3wddJsvg= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=w4/88x6jE6ZpytZpys3OZe9aUFW9X5EUKe1oGKsGmqgt8SV4y6nit/dVL0IyhvXuX9ohMQYfI1tYGitdEVUeksoJ9eCEunkPGtpjpOzeaZZG55ARsMSk6bWfdwefa4UaHtedFEPtHNf2ry3HwhTnexWD6sdVcYJO2z8W6ThDcYY=; X-YMail-OSG: uJYwu5gVM1lTavPbtpRqaReBKN5Jtj3.659RXvHaR93rkNu A3sn48ry26Hf0dFHRMijLtGhehkpADZvXkNRueb.GpwINKNC2NM3EKZagPsp 85ou3EkIKY3qQ7OMB5GxqbLmHrRx87AZYUCTA9mliEI2x71mp3fHPtJ5eiPm NnRMvYfhXpk4Y3YsDyPuXHjvRlmM6M5DkHvJFs8Ptch80v4cMSzTXnsw_G.3 o7gpwgNCVkffRsD7wiT4dy0Ay7YVmd40rM0.d345AYNgKhyyHhfNXD_GxBHP pe.09ByYmG8rvruW2D07wmgSpZS5KfZnQiYSkNcRamkwimR6tBhwqrjaouOq TWH.j1I6BDBNsaOci6U.MCZnID2Rfg_fZs6kGR_z.GiVbnnpH7XKB6Vm8TpR VYg14A5IthgcR8W_Uaa8uDAM9Ibpi8UWCWoru9phs1NmhxK4YtY0hDEUzd9O x4pO6FAI_uBklDaCaVerdQqUdJNz3GRq6SpJrfmHTztezxDbJWGbUoz3LBoX EfY8VQ1up6YQ3gypf4e88hGc4NIGPIzt9ThnGp8k1QGuU7F8F7wbjdPTVfw4 VbQg8xAAEnQi31Amj X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,WWVhaCwgd2VsbCwgYXQgbGVhc3QgaXQgd2lsbCBiZSBhdmFpbGFibGUgYXQgc29tZSBtdXNpYyBkZWFsZXJzIHVubGlrZSB0aGUgcHJpb3IgaW5jYXJuYXRpb24gKGV4Y2x1ZGluZyB1c2VkIHVuaXRzIG9uIGVCYXkpLgoKCgpTZW50IGZyb20gWWFob28hIE1haWwgb24gQW5kcm9pZAoKATABAQEB X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.130.494 Message-ID: <1358972108.45314.androidMobile@web161401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:15:08 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: New EHX Multi-Track Looping Recorder announced ! To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , "jeffloops@gmail.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1131079492-1060105884-1358972108=:45314" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:15:09 +0000 (UTC) ---1131079492-1060105884-1358972108=:45314 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah, well, at least it will be available at some music dealers unlike the prior incarnation (excluding used units on eBay). Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android ---1131079492-1060105884-1358972108=:45314 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Yeah, well, at least it will be available at some music dealers unlike the prior incarnation (excluding used units on eBay).



Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android



From: Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com>;
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>;
Subject: Re: New EHX Multi-Track Looping Recorder announced !
Sent: Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:59:03 PM

I am disappointed by it. It is just the same as the 2880 except that you can store your loops for editing and reloading. For me a non interest. It also has an added mono mix monitor output. whoopie! lol

Maybe some specs are different but I didn't notice anything else from a brief look at the manual.

Next please!

Jeff


On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Christoph Lehmann <krrrs@gmx.de> wrote:
You're hinting at feedback?

But it seems to have other interesting functions.
The specs say most parameters are controllable via midi.
It would be fantastic if you could assign the tempo fader to a pedal :)




Am 23.01.2013 um 20:21 schrieb Kevin Cheli-Colando:

> But it doesn't have.........
>
> :-)
>
> Kevin
>
> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Christoph Lehmann <krrrs@gmx.de> wrote:
>> Electro Harmonix announced a new Looper !!!
>> Have a look: http://www.ehx.com/products/45000_
>>
>> Chris
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.
>
> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
>


---1131079492-1060105884-1358972108=:45314-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 20:16:52 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF7331834BC; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:16:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=SJUpmubXcFv/Fp/PZMZ2/bGdZP4Tnm9IaEhk64dl4OQ=; b=OY+zLI9MmqzO2ofZkGFVumFkxI/taLIs//6OsQhq3TU38luXWOGi/2cjz1YS0KCqWS ylg/f4POv8FjGm4qnthTNTnb5I4FXIjzKIZeUc3HZDHKHDFLGR+pPwFKToQzlvtmRCGF opNrL+PyoWm+hVSqYAfTidVrDp0slR2zsqJgSCdfXHtaQncOOnQm59F8Kiq8gNogNui6 sxFALOMfBs8uv1JjqacrkAokhmGEmmDrSZA+WdpegGLRo3TFNZuTBr7x/PoN2UCYhj9E V3hiAYCyEqSf3RfQc/rkS7AEmLT2HZgXuK8BdXa+11Bun7ElqNFdn4xIqmpF1o0/7/OB YcJQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.168.236 with SMTP id zz12mr2166919oeb.12.1358972212285; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:16:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <04CAEB70-0D85-4132-B674-90A2D7FE9F33@gmx.de> References: <03DD36B8-9CD2-4168-AD91-DE7D88A4F9AE@gmx.de> <04CAEB70-0D85-4132-B674-90A2D7FE9F33@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 21:16:52 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New EHX Multi-Track Looping Recorder announced ! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:16:52 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Christoph Lehmann wrote: > From the manual: > > "The only parameters you cannot control are L and R INPUT gain knobs and > HEADPHONE Volume knob. " Well, that's good. But still, the fact that they didn't use that phrase in the ad, but rather chose to say "almost", says something ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 20:21:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D9301834A5; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:21:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 837246563/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.31.241/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.31.241 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBABNFAFFYbR/x/2dsb2JhbAANN75IgxEBAQEEOEARCxgJFg8JAwIBAgFFHAGyMJNnjgqDKQObZI1m X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,524,1355097600"; d="scan'208";a="837246563" Message-ID: <510045F0.5030501@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:20:00 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New EHX Multi-Track Looping Recorder announced ! References: <03DD36B8-9CD2-4168-AD91-DE7D88A4F9AE@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:21:03 +0000 (UTC) Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > But it doesn't have......... ....anything exciting about it. 2880 with an SD card. Allows you to switch between loops but not during playback. USB to save/restore .wav loops . andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 20:28:11 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F23E183492; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:28:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=lnSThU2JN7cM3bqITXAaGOIWr2b5SfTgfHn3gFp0z5y+BESAXxk+tAkbsjJOUo+K; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <50FD96AF.1020904@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:47:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: TC-Ditto fatal flaw Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec796dfc2f429fef15c96eae92f439b9f3b3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: <3glba.A.Ag.bfEARB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:28:11 +0000 (UTC) I've been corrected on this several times.. however all of the *looping* apps I use activate commands upon release. The timing isn't too hard to accommodate once you expect it. At 11:00 PM +0100 1/21/13, Z wrote: >FYI: Well, not really, it depends on how the app was designed on >your iOS device. >Or did I not get your message right? >;) >Z >http://zzz.ch >http://loopr.net > >On 21 janv. 2013, at 22:33, Charles Zwicky wrote: > >> FYI: All iOS devices respond to "button" release rather than press.. >> just imagine you're filming in reverse...! >> >> At 7:27 PM +0000 1/21/13, andy butler wrote: >>> We already had some analysis of the button presses of the TC-Ditto, >>> with it impressive functionality from a simple package. >>> >>> Here's something we missed. >>> >>> Once you've recorded a loop and stopped it you have 2 choices >>> 1) Longpress to Erase >>> 2) Shortpress to Play >>> >>> Which means that the Play function won't start till the switch is released. >>> >>> Far from ideal if accurate timing is needed. >>> >>> Do TC think guitarists have such poor rhythmic ability that they >>> won't notice ;-) >>> >>> andy >> >> >> -- >> >> ... >> http://www.zmix.net >> >> http://albumcredits.com/zmix >> -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 20:28:13 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2807183498; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:28:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 840981744/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.31.241/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.31.241 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBANRGAFFYbR/x/2dsb2JhbAANN4ZFuAODEQEBAQMBIxVABgsLGgIFFgsCAgkDAgECAUUcAYgQqhtwknWBI4xnghaBEwObZI1m X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,524,1355097600"; d="scan'208";a="840981744" Message-ID: <510047DE.6000602@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:28:14 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New EHX Multi-Track Looping Recorder announced ! References: <03DD36B8-9CD2-4168-AD91-DE7D88A4F9AE@gmx.de> <04CAEB70-0D85-4132-B674-90A2D7FE9F33@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7D8SUD.A.Uj.dfEARB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:28:13 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > Well, that's good. But still, the fact that they didn't use that > phrase in the ad, but rather chose to say "almost", says something ;-) Yes, Boss would have said "awesome Midi Control" andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 20:32:44 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58CC9183496; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:32:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Q94HxJi2Ibne5AgOckq+Zn1vzgI8zRdQXgNphRB38wr+AWFSK8sMqzv3SM1OLyuW; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <03DD36B8-9CD2-4168-AD91-DE7D88A4F9AE@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 15:31:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: New EHX Multi-Track Looping Recorder announced ! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-853149333==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79f0dd2067140f5e9a381e2f36833139f6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: <3Jz7.A.st.sjEARB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:32:44 +0000 (UTC) --============_-853149333==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I agree to a point.. I absolutely LOVE my 2880, especially because of the physical control over speed, mix and feedback.. but only one loop per card is pretty stupid. I have to use a computer to save and recall loops. At 2:59 PM -0500 1/23/13, Jeff Duke wrote: >I am disappointed by it. It is just the same as the 2880 except that >you can store your loops for editing and reloading. For me a non >interest. It also has an added mono mix monitor output. whoopie! lol > >Maybe some specs are different but I didn't notice anything else >from a brief look at the manual. > >Next please! > >Jeff > > > >On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Christoph Lehmann ><krrrs@gmx.de> wrote: > >You're hinting at feedback? > >But it seems to have other interesting functions. >The specs say most parameters are controllable via midi. >It would be fantastic if you could assign the tempo fader to a pedal :) > > > > >Am 23.01.2013 um 20:21 schrieb Kevin Cheli-Colando: > >> But it doesn't have......... >> >> :-) >> >> Kevin >> >> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Christoph Lehmann >><krrrs@gmx.de> wrote: >>> Electro Harmonix announced a new Looper !!! >>> Have a look: >>>http://www.ehx.com/products/45000_ >>> >>> Chris >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a >> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. >> >> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >> -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://albumcredits.com/zmix --============_-853149333==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: New EHX Multi-Track Looping Recorder announced !
I agree to a point.. I absolutely LOVE my 2880, especially because of the physical control over speed, mix and feedback.. but only one loop per card is pretty stupid.  I have to use a computer to save and recall loops.

At 2:59 PM -0500 1/23/13, Jeff Duke wrote:
I am disappointed by it. It is just the same as the 2880 except that you can store your loops for editing and reloading. For me a non interest. It also has an added mono mix monitor output. whoopie! lol
Maybe some specs are different but I didn't notice anything else from a brief look at the manual.
Next please!
Jeff


On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Christoph Lehmann <krrrs@gmx.de> wrote:
You're hinting at feedback?

But it seems to have other interesting functions.
The specs say most parameters are controllable via midi.
It would be fantastic if you could assign the tempo fader to a pedal :)




Am 23.01.2013 um 20:21 schrieb Kevin Cheli-Colando:

> But it doesn't have.........
>
> :-)
>
> Kevin
>
> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Christoph Lehmann <krrrs@gmx.de> wrote:
>> Electro Harmonix announced a new Looper !!!
>> Have a look: http://www.ehx.com/products/45000_
>>
>> Chris
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.
>
> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
>


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--============_-853149333==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 20:41:13 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BF6A1834A2; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:41:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=dNkNVTfuKpLYv/ATIzhsnAHfMUcQzyvNGyjajbf2RVk=; b=j3yS7/ILQ+O7jJbjr+9MtDo8M/YKN6Exsacmmstqt1NuVoirmxb0QkW32UG+Me2JGF AQoBPHrqnw/AMJgxU/kRUsEVKTGl2FvQADTbNQT9CLdVa30ju2p7zDY7HqcIHj7omotP B6ZN+1AL79GDzv+g6LQqAj3O3R2KAYGnAI2G+CtebKCyE/PAm40caejRH/mF58KmjNIC D+ln7kcWAvroW8OVNYIkWpUkjLzuQWWEOZeSyQirbKofUbU1I6DS9BMfOksOFzcgkz7O SgorUQLEgFzkh+AWrcK1TTIMBHhOx1Ec2qV4Xx7Kv/yldYW+CKZQl+m2vzIyoLvfBWOv Xlfw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.38.69 with SMTP id e5mr2103156obk.79.1358973672625; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:41:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <510047DE.6000602@tiscali.co.uk> References: <03DD36B8-9CD2-4168-AD91-DE7D88A4F9AE@gmx.de> <04CAEB70-0D85-4132-B674-90A2D7FE9F33@gmx.de> <510047DE.6000602@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 21:41:12 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New EHX Multi-Track Looping Recorder announced ! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:41:13 +0000 (UTC) Xxxxx wrote: > wrote: LOL - isn't it funny how we are totally slagging manufacturers on this board! Maybe their appeared whimsyness in marketing is business-wise "spot on" since so few of their targeted customers understand how to value usefulness in gear? Just a thougt... :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 20:48:33 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EBE21834AD; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:48:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=qrNcy781N61caSTKBsvzRyoGkNGpSF+TaK+yXu5A5mc=; b=wf6IekoBKOJz2vDidEAsL63infCfWAMQ/1PkSUQt+qvxEYOUAlfU/BXtsF5/Y2v4hd a9TjzSCxPs3/3sAQsTAz25AwvEwtFz0giZavKw7AyNt9UlDiuEMfFU3HrmGndgSUIW2e Xx+Z3Y6aWxyXTocxzLW+10SyrE36TeLhYeS7UI9ApX2+IBx5SJqMCjAf2LVFqzMsfL3k lztT/uqHixKgJi8iMq3dmlcpGmxkroyYVZeELIehpADUpIRsJQPreps+L7gs80e26HCC AL7ThZihWOnWuYPr53j3b8tDiQeu1C1byu94dOjVuYoVWQD78aFHwr+FUOw5biHgoHEG G8ZA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.127.101 with SMTP id nf5mr3388339qeb.20.1358974112807; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:48:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <03DD36B8-9CD2-4168-AD91-DE7D88A4F9AE@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 15:48:32 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New EHX Multi-Track Looping Recorder announced ! From: Jeff Duke To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6dc0bc40bac504d3fad1ff Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:48:33 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b6dc0bc40bac504d3fad1ff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Agreed Chuck! I didn't mean to sound like I didn't like my 2880! Just that the "new" looper from EHX is a bit misleading and this caused me to be disappointed :) If I broke down and got a midi controller for the 2880 it would do even more of what I want it to. It's just that some of us had suggested upgrades for so long in the forum and none of them came about. Jeff On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > ** > I agree to a point.. I absolutely LOVE my 2880, especially because of the > physical control over speed, mix and feedback.. but only one loop per card > is pretty stupid. I have to use a computer to save and recall loops. > > At 2:59 PM -0500 1/23/13, Jeff Duke wrote: > > I am disappointed by it. It is just the same as the 2880 except that you > can store your loops for editing and reloading. For me a non interest. It > also has an added mono mix monitor output. whoopie! lol > > Maybe some specs are different but I didn't notice anything else from a > brief look at the manual. > > Next please! > > Jeff > > --047d7b6dc0bc40bac504d3fad1ff Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Agreed Chuck! I didn't mean to sound like I = didn't like my 2880! Just that the "new" looper from EHX is a= bit misleading and this caused me to be disappointed :) If I broke down an= d got a midi controller for the 2880 it would do even more of what I want i= t to.

It's just that some of us had suggested upgrades for so long = in the forum and none of them came about.

Jeff


On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at= 3:31 PM, Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> wrote= :
I agree to a point.. I absolutely LOVE my 2880, especially because of the physical control over speed, mix and feedback.. but only one loop per card is pretty stupid.=A0 I have to use a computer to save and recall loops.

At 2:59 PM -0500 1/23/13, Jeff Duke wrote:
I am disappointed by it. It is just the same as the 2880 except that you can store your loops for editing and reloading. For me a non interest. It also has an added mono mix monitor output. whoopie! lol
Maybe some specs are different but I didn't notice anything else from a brief look at the manual.
Next please!
Jeff

--047d7b6dc0bc40bac504d3fad1ff-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 20:59:12 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE1431834C0; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=F5V/xAeGFkeJ02CXtbT1MTKW+LvHzNR+xIa8woCHZ1Ex4orhIrMgx7yKCv2k3Z+c; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <03DD36B8-9CD2-4168-AD91-DE7D88A4F9AE@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 15:59:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: New EHX Multi-Track Looping Recorder announced ! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-853147750==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7991d24a35f851b5cfcc8498006e76990d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:59:11 +0000 (UTC) --============_-853147750==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi Jeff, I was in pretty close communication with EX for the later OS updates to the 2880, almost entirely about MIDI, though I was more interested in the bugs that would cause the device to freak out while bouncing to the "stereo" track. I tend to use mine with the factory foot controller, though the midi options open up some other possibilities.. My mindset these days is pretty minimalistic, and I find the 2880 well suited to less manipulative forms of looping. One great application is to set the loop length very very short and use it as a delay, as you switch tracks, the delay is "frozen", and the faders allow you to blend the textures of these frozen tracks. It's a 4 track DDL with infinite hold..! -Chuck >Agreed Chuck! I didn't mean to sound like I didn't like my 2880! >Just that the "new" looper from EHX is a bit misleading and this >caused me to be disappointed :) If I broke down and got a midi >controller for the 2880 it would do even more of what I want it to. > >It's just that some of us had suggested upgrades for so long in the >forum and none of them came about. > >Jeff > > > >On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Charles Zwicky ><cazwicky@earthlink.net> wrote: > >I agree to a point.. I absolutely LOVE my 2880, especially because >of the physical control over speed, mix and feedback.. but only one >loop per card is pretty stupid. I have to use a computer to save >and recall loops. > >At 2:59 PM -0500 1/23/13, Jeff Duke wrote: > >>I am disappointed by it. It is just the same as the 2880 except >>that you can store your loops for editing and reloading. For me a >>non interest. It also has an added mono mix monitor output. >>whoopie! lol >> >Maybe some specs are different but I didn't notice anything else >from a brief look at the manual. > >Next please! > >Jeff -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://albumcredits.com/zmix --============_-853147750==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: New EHX Multi-Track Looping Recorder announced !
Hi Jeff,

I was in pretty close communication with EX for the later OS updates to the 2880, almost entirely about MIDI, though I was more interested in the bugs that would cause the device to freak out while bouncing to the "stereo" track.
 I tend to use mine with the factory foot controller, though the midi options open up some other possibilities.. My mindset these days is pretty minimalistic, and I find the 2880 well suited to less manipulative forms of looping.  One great application is to set the loop length very very short and use it as a delay, as you switch tracks, the delay is "frozen", and the faders allow you to blend the textures of these frozen tracks.  It's a 4 track DDL with infinite hold..!

-Chuck

Agreed Chuck! I didn't mean to sound like I didn't like my 2880! Just that the "new" looper from EHX is a bit misleading and this caused me to be disappointed :) If I broke down and got a midi controller for the 2880 it would do even more of what I want it to.
It's just that some of us had suggested upgrades for so long in the forum and none of them came about.
Jeff


On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> wrote:
I agree to a point.. I absolutely LOVE my 2880, especially because of the physical control over speed, mix and feedback.. but only one loop per card is pretty stupid.  I have to use a computer to save and recall loops.

At 2:59 PM -0500 1/23/13, Jeff Duke wrote:
I am disappointed by it. It is just the same as the 2880 except that you can store your loops for editing and reloading. For me a non interest. It also has an added mono mix monitor output. whoopie! lol
Maybe some specs are different but I didn't notice anything else from a brief look at the manual.
Next please!
Jeff


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...
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--============_-853147750==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 21:07:20 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A24FE1834C8; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 21:07:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 828010012/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.31.241/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.31.241 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAH1PAFFYbR/x/2dsb2JhbAANN75VgxEBAQEDAThABgsLIRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBiBCqIpNrjgqDKQObZI1m X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,524,1355097600"; d="scan'208";a="828010012" Message-ID: <51005107.6030405@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 21:07:19 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New EHX Multi-Track Looping Recorder announced ! References: <03DD36B8-9CD2-4168-AD91-DE7D88A4F9AE@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 21:07:20 +0000 (UTC) Charles Zwicky wrote: > One great application is to set the loop > length very very short and use it as a delay, as you switch tracks, the > delay is "frozen", and the faders allow you to blend the textures of > these frozen tracks. Working within the limitations to find something new and interesting. That' what it's all about. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 21:36:32 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B3A41834AA; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 21:36:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 214520.21866.bm@omp1027.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1358976989; bh=Vhv0drmF/BQUlAtl29Zm5wzGTWJNrushtqPD8xzD5tU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OT5r1B1UcqAvXAMESc2HYrTsQAeRIaqz8PHfEVrPGSkky2SO1ymuFlqr4ix6U9nQFkgjeQKJsBRq0CUpyqIwM/cAqUIHhHNpuE7bA1SAfFkUqdpdLiSHfzx1wWquCS67asehOw8lnHE+gD0lpjw57RUAzKySS4xK+wWl+bIboYc= X-YMail-OSG: XpueI7wVM1nI90BVZowFYHBDR19PKEoTQgXLuzVA.1.h6NF hsngLimh6ti0kbube_rxScPN_AeIxcOfPVbHvWJVVqEmpLDoaFCFTxiHtiTX .eKK2yOractcttqI3WSETBCipXHe72bx6m_dTLqGFkMg5WNxx6EY3ly.jszv NVhNBtxmPu_RI3JSGpx7e2kYA9EqXJhrVMWkJSg7e0npi_V_xsV8Q.am_g2A ijUiPWivpiVXTaUc5Q32W6XOvXC4vDu6Rbbcgtt_FdpF8PFDujtVIg9wi2jq 9ymv2cbkws0G3MEXH4yd99aKCO_4Gfby7taKy7a0YgYT.rISOQlw7KdOjsti 8bkDYju7IWPw14AEp60B5gULvRCuGTXwVYDmhhvIbh5yVnB5Jc5DVuIgM1q_ TMVPyrkmRpUzNUxOEUCabCGth44XglYmw9iGPfC64ftGMFdr1H0PXxZyY8Wd ACVT_KvyGyPQkXmoW7d1SkLV_fQS1mmDgsFVh9i9PfVHaIHECs53lBiMU1nd yl3mG2pIWafa2KPhJSQy8CzuO.RNEGaIbd861hzp4ijH3tu0kZo9EhlkczQ7 rmzHYe3Nv.XNHzNLLJD8g0suHZP.gOJ3Sn7ii5VVhJmf8nqrvdImCKer1j6q hvFqaPfyzdYTSYhzYo1zaXfhCxOZR5eQpaSAIa448skfSJFMJBRXlb8SX3UX b3JiZO6NLW_qVd5.j5xLBue4- X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,DQp5ZXAuIGtpbmQgb2YgbGlrZSB0aGUgWm9vbSBQbGF5ZXIgMjEwMCBhbmQgaXRzIHBhdGNoIHRoYXQgc2F2ZXMgMyBzaG9ydCBwaHJhc2VzIHRvIGJlIGFjY2Vzc2VkIGJ5IGVhY2ggb2YgdGhlIDMgcGF0Y2gtc2VsZWN0IHBlZGFscy4gKHJpZ2h0LCBoZXJyIGdvb2RtYW4_IDstKQ0KDQpUaW0gTXVuZ2VuYXN0DQpFZGl0b3IvV3JpdGVyL1Byb29mcmVhZGVyOiB3d3cubGlua2VkaW4uY29tL2luL3RpbW11bmdlbmFzdA0KR3VpdGFyaXN0L0NvbXBvc2VyL1ZvY2FsaXN0OiB3d3cucmV2ZXJibmF0aW9uLmNvbS8BMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.130.494 Message-ID: <1358976989.20309.YahooMailClassic@web84508.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 13:36:29 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: New EHX Multi-Track Looping Recorder announced ! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <51005107.6030405@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <-acL-D.A._qB.gfFARB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 21:36:32 +0000 (UTC) yep. kind of like the Zoom Player 2100 and its patch that saves 3 short phr= ases to be accessed by each of the 3 patch-select pedals. (right, herr good= man? ;-) Tim Mungenast Editor/Writer/Proofreader: www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast Guitarist/Composer/Vocalist: www.reverbnation.com/timmungenast --- On Wed, 1/23/13, andy butler wrote: > From: andy butler > Subject: Re: New EHX Multi-Track Looping Recorder announced ! > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 4:07 PM >=20 >=20 > Charles Zwicky wrote: >=20 > > One great application is to set the loop length very > very short and use it as a delay, as you switch tracks, the > delay is "frozen", and the faders allow you to blend the > textures of these frozen tracks.=A0=20 >=20 > Working within the limitations to find something new and > interesting. >=20 > That' what it's all about. >=20 >=20 > andy >=20 >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 21:40:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D90F1834A6; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 21:40:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <510058EB.20106@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 13:40:59 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rainer Straschill , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Slightly OT: NAMM News from Eventide - H9 References: <5100316F.1050709@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <5100316F.1050709@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 21:40:59 +0000 (UTC) On 1/23/2013 10:52 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > http://ftp.eventide.com/h9/index.htm > > Seems the tricky thing is that it can run any of the Eventide Stompox > algorithms. And it's got an ultratap delay, a true classic for those > to whom "looping" means "lots of delays". > > -r > "it's incredible"!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 21:48:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FFF218349E; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 21:48:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <51005AC6.5080303@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 13:48:54 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anders Bergdahl , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: RE: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 21:48:53 +0000 (UTC) On 1/23/2013 8:40 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > > I have managed to fake "quantizised replace" for some LP2, EDP style > semi stutter, even loop windowing of sorts can be done by having a > short loop, loop a longer loop.. in fact it is probably a very unique > Octatrack feature since you can loop a part of a longer loop several > times during the duration of the longer loop. I do this in two way, by > having one longer master loop and the setting up a shorter loop that > listens t o the longer. OR re-sampling with a "flex machine" which > allows me to replay the loop, or parts of it on the sequencer and > looper, pitchifts or anything you could imagine taking looping loops > from loops to new levels of crazyness. > > > Anders This is exactly what is very hip about having to work around the limitations of equipment. I love this kind of creativity, Anders! Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 22:28:07 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72CD2183499; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 22:28:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HwHo9Um7ppDgax2V+31HLvHvGmGEO1CpSMec47N2JWU=; b=JUvtAwMMCVTYqOkq0UDFqy+aLqZg3q5K4eHQo/8Vfb3eZ8ECcUT6q44iyvI6xkIVyx IRO8WHM9Rxp56ZIQeEdYXWvpVKzrE6sHoCkv65TlkYoBUZThxIL93D+/5ACYwHWPaJv0 5R2nJc8s+IA9AZZqxPLnZdX/DwgZNfWJAyQPtm7b/KDz6G/R6QB7iSOZE8yeYbYhgbDn fDXgFhefyIrRpXiisUc6E6eaVCeolNd5q9hMXW5v1cyKkVs8/c6bxYEj7TaTF6n6ibC5 5qa8p0ANWkWnF0O7/1QThJLxnvD9854gSse3IgGjPLQIDDThyGnuSPocY4GD2ZNHe9kN BoUg== X-Received: by 10.14.224.199 with SMTP id x47mr8422104eep.19.1358980086483; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:28:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <510063FD.3040003@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 23:28:13 +0100 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack References: <-3592093310450732824@unknownmsgid> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 22:28:07 +0000 (UTC) Am 23.01.2013 14:21, schrieb Jeff Duke: > I just noticed that my Line 6 M9 has a button for undo/redo, never > noticed it before! See? And you all laughed at the marketing approach for the Ditto that "everything with more than one button is too complicated for a guitarist" :-P From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 22:30:09 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D14EE183491; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 22:30:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :message-id:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to :x-gm-message-state; bh=e0g9rITu1L+aj58KKq7UGvZVQjKle0KtUGF62e5N0Ow=; b=EzQTLOlbyGBv1C1XYk2+PlWITSL7WK6IhI5WRavIb3I08YsxCt5CXCuBwy7C1oW825 VgKDbxeeNPv1qGy1/Gm0eeQihV4NmNSDaqZfyGMqJ2XDZ9za0W9TonXvh1Qs/1O6MlgG vs/21siSRylonu4+ZBr9F4Ua+Et29gvgvx4S0CSU6d0EO/g8UkZ86onNrasUA4mY1jp/ TsALJ+J5gtzThxYk9LhB+vSnLYSvmpGk1IFPCfiqD3Cs1zC6YHVLrnM7QO4X5krnP+qz DaXpiR4IQ6uullu9mqyDWPBBoVCY+PZW/hutCKnP2iFhcPk+S5tKPJ8CxkXYXzuLc7J+ wvYw== X-Received: by 10.50.6.230 with SMTP id e6mr23057iga.3.1358980208965; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:30:08 -0800 (PST) References: <5100316F.1050709@googlemail.com> <510058EB.20106@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <510058EB.20106@cruzio.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <3E8F126C-B17F-4BB2-9CC3-20B4DE1FE03B@teddyjam.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10A523) From: "Teddyjam.com" Subject: Re: Slightly OT: NAMM News from Eventide - H9 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:30:07 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnfn/XsiE0GqL9xtq3r0wDxVt8MRG3Z7tr8gMTZFixwSl8VgnYZybXCksyWkKkzQsjKmVxC Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 22:30:09 +0000 (UTC) Whoa.... Game changer Teddy Kumpel http://teddyjam.com On Jan 23, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 1/23/2013 10:52 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote: >> http://ftp.eventide.com/h9/index.htm >>=20 >> Seems the tricky thing is that it can run any of the Eventide Stompox alg= orithms. And it's got an ultratap delay, a true classic for those to whom "l= ooping" means "lots of delays". >>=20 >> -r > "it's incredible"!!!! >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 22:31:45 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 268AD183499; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 22:31:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/Gm6a5kOQrEHr6Zmkp32JR5ehBfKOmxruIl/VfdPy0E=; b=OwSUSSxK2CyUH9N99KhgvfesqwufGbSqy+Ech478KOeo+JiQY0DIHxlNjc9ZZUU8T8 HHmfqo0PdCI6TyZraGYuZNgql87tAXpK6XHAoLY4jPU9f+eR13ubaJYBw9Wakl+H6Quo omDP1EY0AQ07QE7moe1s1IxJFx5IBSmzN5W/vy5i+/AqhhPXkmAIp6HFDoBPMARY0oPu rj0qebLqsyct2LD/zkXmThXrzTge6j3FCvuS0fBZs+JHBN7Ej7Z8XUOeMa3B4OC77/hL lxtnEGcaHFRe5ih+hA9ydznREI4dqROKuD7hiH3pUqYa9VgX6dP3KpZUY6BA2hDzsAWV KtvA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.62.39 with SMTP id v7mr3623422qer.15.1358980304610; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:31:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <510063FD.3040003@googlemail.com> References: <-3592093310450732824@unknownmsgid> <510063FD.3040003@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 17:31:44 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack From: Jeff Duke To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bdc11e45026e504d3fc422a Resent-Message-ID: <1RXK0.A.KuC.RTGARB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 22:31:45 +0000 (UTC) --047d7bdc11e45026e504d3fc422a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey I resemble that remark! lol! On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill < moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote: > Am 23.01.2013 14:21, schrieb Jeff Duke: > >> I just noticed that my Line 6 M9 has a button for undo/redo, never >> noticed it before! >> > See? And you all laughed at the marketing approach for the Ditto that > "everything with more than one button is too complicated for a guitarist" > :-P > > --047d7bdc11e45026e504d3fc422a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey I resemble that remark! lol!


On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 5:28 = PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com= > wrote:
Am 23.01.2013 14:21, schrieb Jeff Duke:
I just noticed that my Line 6 M9 has a button for undo/redo, never noticed = it before!
See? And you all laughed at the marketing approach for the Ditto that "= ;everything with more than one button is too complicated for a guitarist&qu= ot; :-P


--047d7bdc11e45026e504d3fc422a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 22:40:16 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46C19183495; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 22:40:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :message-id:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to :x-gm-message-state; bh=wJkYENfgTcY+ejK+DunrBE3VNG+nzB6x6mEh1oDMd9c=; b=EUKJcylYmdZP18YQ5W1QTeyr8ddFIr9xnNKjeNeXiisvyW6TT0VxoxlboUY/dDwKq0 xvTKk95FA7+stXexRy5NbfSP9TV9+Zgu3tATEFSY6Ts3ihYlkjfCCRnZ/9KzskYUhzXu sRGeJUmnGul+BLL6pSTewrdsFoUnSeKZtSQDeIuhtHjQgI/ehtCQff/U+uHJSib5CbNY ZFSiUBX/ciRfzNWibcUaiauUHNw+TM5EfFXURzceBWNu+G+mu39KWCcjrkvwBatFk6RD 1xPeB5yam+zc81BE3W2P2VK2Kj16NN2L4VxITqL3Zt9aMv2vNjHPgtfki8Gx1L3MJWSz Fb1g== X-Received: by 10.50.190.234 with SMTP id gt10mr2627659igc.73.1358980815686; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:40:15 -0800 (PST) References: <03DD36B8-9CD2-4168-AD91-DE7D88A4F9AE@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <6B38A6C6-03EC-4401-968E-ECA880573393@teddyjam.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10A523) From: "Teddyjam.com" Subject: Re: New EHX Multi-Track Looping Recorder announced ! Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:40:13 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmYEhXQIEEuZ9qGbZMaMqCvKNkpeELGZiEQlhtVM5KcTArcqna1vyws/xrVmKxEshqHDGjO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 22:40:16 +0000 (UTC) Hi chuck! To me it seems like a boss RC 50 with more solid midi clock options, an ext= ra loop and pitch and reverse functions all controllable with your feet That's exactly what I want in a looper...=20 Does anyone know if we can use the monitor out to send the click only? Teddy Kumpel http://teddyjam.com On Jan 23, 2013, at 12:59 PM, Charles Zwicky wrote:= > Hi Jeff, >=20 > I was in pretty close communication with EX for the later OS updates to th= e 2880, almost entirely about MIDI, though I was more interested in the bugs= that would cause the device to freak out while bouncing to the "stereo" tra= ck. > I tend to use mine with the factory foot controller, though the midi opti= ons open up some other possibilities.. My mindset these days is pretty minim= alistic, and I find the 2880 well suited to less manipulative forms of loopi= ng. =20 > -Chuck From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 23:41:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B1BB183493; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 23:41:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 189501.32548.bm@omp1028.mail.ird.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1358977559; bh=H7npjCDELbkBolPrpjDZuG/ZvFufV63LE679rmfIM8U=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TyxMnWu3Fx1SIX/CUFl9fsCIkZACKnRBJAsabOWnFUU59QyijKhNBPsQlnr8lSdg4M7s2w+LnFeGTMiQJlN7QBEkVMlGGAwjKFmjDvNMoJrXnHwk2qXyG1U/ZmQA30C+KYiTWcLWIxdOY76wX0fJ3AljvbosUf3MZT14JOq55y4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=y5h5oa/Ba2cyeKpooSBNLY9pNqedTFL0Uzmna30Np0AH3LkJ0/HXb6iq9HyGoHiYB6KWFJbLHwdZtQVDGxXe2xp5jJtU+dJkq4UzisRNY7aMvCAWPboEZ05wdBP1hkOif7UH7VGvfJ1joNFLaIRKpomfKof3f27oMrS76kEKX9U=; X-YMail-OSG: 6Y3HkGcVM1nZGGlgijUPzEQDNCpGr05TAAfWzgGxP02DpFO JZHhNkDm6DGNNMHNwtG6BoPPQHRukIs.gnWcNeX2is7Lzano68qgVbcqkEYv MRR7CNJy9qywq.dJps90NAb06UV.6RkD_y2JLGkgvAn1dWH0cXePslD_qYOF MxVc07UHMK4vVsBgu1Elf7_qsthHl1FOGZr1A5HU7ScQ.b6uzmz0LHTkIIlD ELSbsLhockzTsppuIFHMkNQZ4GiJwUoB91D1jnO0iLhBZ6OiflOdek1ALkBE uT9JMpxPpvGUwl3q2uFe_gW0tbW.Ix6RMUpLDPVc3EbDydHGTvfhzVyiRHDg m4VxZtv2LbjUQNilpDXVJY0xS7TCxaD4nynDnIID_WXWJAIhezGRy.w9UowZ EWTJT9fXY2y_lR2ZrkBdE1WmNmyIORRPOQC.tq1qU4qUjwDwcMMC_cKvigTI HjI.r3lcmmNi6Ge8Ujf5JBWCikNbOyCDDTbiMUYDQWKvcXfwRqndS6FOxcSp k4B3DJlW4XNZu0uDh.XGQhCI- X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,d2hhdCBpcyB0aGUgc291bmQgcXVhbGl0eT8KQW50b255IEhlcXVldAoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCiBEZcKgOiBSaWNrIFdhbGtlciA8bG9vcHBvb2xAY3J1emlvLmNvbT4Kw4DCoDogUmFpbmVyIFN0cmFzY2hpbGwgPG1vaW5zb3VuZEBnb29nbGVtYWlsLmNvbT47IExPT1BFUlMgREVMSUdIVCAocG9zdGluZykgPExvb3BlcnMtRGVsaWdodEBsb29wZXJzLWRlbGlnaHQuY29tPiAKRW52b3nDqSBsZSA6IE1lcmNyZWRpIDIzIGphbnZpZXIgMjAxMyAyMmg0MApPYmpldMKgOiBSZToBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.130.494 References: <5100316F.1050709@googlemail.com> <510058EB.20106@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <1358977558.95374.YahooMailNeo@web171703.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 21:45:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Antony Hequet Reply-To: Antony Hequet Subject: Re: Slightly OT: NAMM News from Eventide - H9 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <510058EB.20106@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-30515679-2058347237-1358977558=:95374" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 23:41:50 +0000 (UTC) ---30515679-2058347237-1358977558=:95374 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what is the sound quality?=0AAntony Hequet=0A=0A=0A________________________= ________=0A De=A0: Rick Walker =0A=C0=A0: Rainer Stras= chill ; LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) =0AEnvoy=E9 le : Mercredi 23 janvier 2013 22h40=0AOb= jet=A0: Re: Slightly OT: NAMM News from Eventide - H9=0A =0AOn 1/23/2013 10= :52 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote:=0A> http://ftp.eventide.com/h9/index.htm= =0A> =0A> Seems the tricky thing is that it can run any of the Eventide Sto= mpox algorithms. And it's got an ultratap delay, a true classic for those t= o whom "looping" means "lots of delays".=0A> =0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -r=0A>= =0A"it's incredible"!!!! ---30515679-2058347237-1358977558=:95374 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
what is the sound quality?
Anton= y Hequet


= De : Rick Walker <l= ooppool@cruzio.com>
=C0 := Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com>; LOOPERS DEL= IGHT (posting) <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Envoy=E9 le : Mercredi 23 janvier = 2013 22h40
Objet : Re: Slightly OT: NAMM News from Eventide - H9

On 1= /23/2013 10:52 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote:
> http://ftp.eventide.com/h9/inde= x.htm
>
> Seems the tricky thing is that it can run any of= the Eventide Stompox algorithms. And it's got an ultratap delay, a true cl= assic for those to whom "looping" means "lots of delays".
>
>&= nbsp;         -r
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---30515679-2058347237-1358977558=:95374-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 00:12:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFF59183492; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 00:12:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <51005D56.1070701@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 13:59:50 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Duke , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Re: New EHX Multi-Track Looping Recorder announced ! References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3VX80C.A.knD.CyHARB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 00:12:50 +0000 (UTC) On 1/23/2013 11:59 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: > I am disappointed by it. It is just the same as the 2880 except that > you can store your loops for editing and reloading. For me a non > interest. It also has an added mono mix monitor output. whoopie! lol > > Maybe some specs are different but I didn't notice anything else from > a brief look at the manual. Did the original have the ability to tune loops over 2 octaves. That's a huge plus in my work and made me excited. also, it has synced or unsynced loops. Isn't that an improvement, too? I don't know the original unit but have heard people talk about it. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 00:12:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0091183497; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 00:12:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <510060A7.40104@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:13:59 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Duke , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Directness in Simplicity References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 00:12:55 +0000 (UTC) On 1/23/2013 5:21 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: > I just noticed that my Line 6 M9 has a button for undo/redo, never > noticed it before! > > That's hilarious, Jeff. In my own work (and I own an M-9 and use it live) I'm so used to the architecture of the LP-1 (and now the LP-2) that I got really into creating seamless overdubs so that if I ever UDNO a loop (or five) I am also thinking ahead of the game and ready to re-record something quickly. That said and done, the single RE-DO on the M-9 is useful if you are playing a second instrument in a performance and you suddenly want to bring in that part that you eliminated with an UNDO to suddenly fill things out. Another thought about UNDO is that I rarely use very many layers in my looping anyway, so I actually don't use a lot of UNDO in my playing, though glad Bob put that feature into the LP-2. With the exception of ambient music where lots of smeary layers are a plus, I think that a lot of loopers forget that everyone in a sextet has to play commensurately less and simpler parts to make an arrangement really powerful than in a duo or trio. So many loopers at the festival, Lili Lewis and Jerry Barnes come to mind immediately played pieces of music with a single loop and then played over it , beautifully so there's a lot of potential in minimalism whilst looping. It, of course, is not the only way to go, and all forms of expression are , of course, valid, but I find that if I keep my loop count down that there is directness in the simplicity. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 00:59:40 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E197A183495; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 00:59:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=aMPOiDoDZBeV4HThz1XnqjAGE0sHCqIbisoqu+3O2JQ=; b=0HAq8+qH5+iRbKOv/QZI5HD45o+GSurMZGjkqke7E5mLQVaHkSJA6aPz7UBRm31B57 1ZJg75vMGX2BM33o+zBBQmu9K66KwVQrH/u/IqEWfGMGBJQFBiI2S1/oamMecvd4t5wY 2E2LrhdTnvIvGyvh11GKO/2I4tDVuWFiPxSEHb+e7rY6hkfsoVOVSHUmcaBFpNJ+vYnU pfQ7xlImxcETJ3Oh24j47/MpyS7gunRRcXaOhkYZa5F3fWOF8w0Wrp7z/YbpQK4rgTd/ iUHWfOWPvBV6MamMKhLNMOo+0rMEl3chNLVvrL4Tpj0WOlhjlmUuwr0CJYKS848u/TCk jw7A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.22.68 with SMTP id b4mr79730oef.111.1358989179983; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 16:59:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 18:59:39 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: EHX 45000 multi-track looper From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb1f27a5398fb04d3fe5312 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 00:59:40 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8fb1f27a5398fb04d3fe5312 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 wasn't sure if anyone saw this: http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/Daily/News/Electro_Harmonix_Announces_45000_Multi_Track_Looper_and_Random_Tone_Generator.aspx looks interesting and pricey. was hoping they'd go a different direction..... --e89a8fb1f27a5398fb04d3fe5312 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wasn't sure if anyone saw this:

http://www.premierguitar.com/Mag= azine/Issue/Daily/News/Electro_Harmonix_Announces_45000_Multi_Track_Looper_= and_Random_Tone_Generator.aspx

looks interesting and pricey. was hoping they'd go a different dire= ction.....
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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <51005D56.1070701@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 04:07:54 +0000 (UTC) =0AIf production of the LP2 ceases before I can get one, this EHX is my nex= t choice. The reverse and pitch are big deals for me!!=0A=0ATim Mungenast= =0AEditor/Writer/Proofreader: www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast=0AGuitarist/= Composer/Vocalist: www.reverbnation.com/timmungenast=0A=0A=0A--- On Wed, 1/= 23/13, Rick Walker wrote:=0A=0A> From: Rick Walker =0A> Subject: Re: Re: New EHX Multi-Track Looping Record= er announced !=0A> To: "Jeff Duke" , "LOOPERS DELIGHT = (posting)" =0A> Date: Wednesday, Janua= ry 23, 2013, 4:59 PM=0A> On 1/23/2013 11:59 AM, Jeff Duke=0A> wrote:=0A> > = I am disappointed by it. It is just the same as the=0A> 2880 except that yo= u can store your loops for editing and=0A> reloading. For me a non interest= . It also has an added mono=0A> mix monitor output. whoopie! lol=0A> > =0A>= > Maybe some specs are different but I didn't notice=0A> anything else fro= m a brief look at the manual.=0A> =0A> Did the original have the ability to= tune loops over 2=0A> octaves.=0A> That's a huge plus in=A0 my work and ma= de me excited.=0A> =0A> also,=A0 it has synced or unsynced=0A> loops.=A0=A0= =A0Isn't that an improvement, too?=0A> I don't know the original unit but h= ave heard people talk=0A> about it.=0A> =0A> yours,=A0=A0=A0Rick=0A> =0A> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 04:10:09 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08B81183492; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 04:10:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 771602.5922.bm@omp1011.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1359000607; bh=o8S2F5t0V7OBplo2Lgpu1vO5cBQ1N2E/67DKy6nXPX4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ATEgEUokOKL7iCplYYl4iyUIqzHwHhJ3MGIkiW1eLGaXavOfJOooIno3moIuXi/vWVj8ZoIQGU0bj4wSX4ZTg56gAc9f1wwKg4pCxlUT1jfQMe3Ph9TLgnzMPhYWQzwZPdR5G3NsJjEMir7qMlJISU0aXvUjoUlyithrdpf6Sf0= X-YMail-OSG: NfxyeugVM1n3ojOhDW0soTz8CBJWXKQFG.5TkD0GDE3XmR_ TGzDY5ScOf3iwArLz9lAQIc6iyj5uvMt.j825YxYjTsc.ygXxwPBAxzLRmtt biwIpd1mj8mJGk2K_Z6KcV0rU4fuzQRx.bvn1X8ZbFmJM6Z4wRI3emnZ_Kwa 2dzk4ILZN8ETJKW3HlAfSu0tWYbertRIVD6NqKnFoGLMMsNxJNdPGdBi.fNy oTFGuA01qxwGzO8vpIw44lB8LhTd0x.fqdR0dxN9ZK65cjJ1kvgKIOsbL6ew 5VnZxvXvztNd6QVHLKTcCujU4LbSKk2HCBqytIkfWXFLUnMCnOFL5hutIAog 5ULe_bosuNojuhoJ05uyDfUltJ9Sw7f9sdoNMoBhZMhhzgAlfW_MW8Uly_SL QnmODtD7z2Oj2r5WMfdYHU2kT64IUTkhgRQ_zEnvp4sPwKwPzli6bUJ.kSWU Pg.l8Qu7t_tt0H.ejW61_A5WYNeIFgafLJyW_Ntwslh3udwye.LxGftJcdw8 U4lpL7N.W5Bc5.XHt0G2iZzsojkqiGCgGA5xahN4YQ2msaodFtwH.21kmUoc OKJxDy1HwbhjTPXwoB6Yv48QB8pTbYMaKow8XuDdTvGU_wMDPy.mNmBtb65m Av1GvzhjpYuTe.oC3OD0RAP..R5aenhix54tQk1gxkDI3oskC_x5GMryWNhz NwMamW.nW7i9mC1aOfb4h X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,Ck9uZSBsb29wIGFsd2F5cyB3b3JrZWQgZm9yIG1lLi4uIGJ1dCB0aGVuIEkgYWx3YXlzIGhhZCB0cm91YmxlIGdldHRpbmcgdGhlIHRpbWluZyByaWdodCBmb3IgbW9yZSB0aGFuIG9uZSwgc28gaXQncyBtb3JlIE1ZIGxpbWl0YXRpb24gdGhhbiB0aGUgYm94J3MuCgpUaW0gTXVuZ2VuYXN0CkVkaXRvci9Xcml0ZXIvUHJvb2ZyZWFkZXI6IHd3dy5saW5rZWRpbi5jb20vaW4vdGltbXVuZ2VuYXN0Ckd1aXRhcmlzdC9Db21wb3Nlci9Wb2NhbGlzdDogd3d3LnJldmVyYm5hdGlvbi5jb20vdGltbXVuZ2VuYXN0CgoBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.130.494 Message-ID: <1359000607.89828.YahooMailClassic@web84520.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:10:07 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: Directness in Simplicity To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <510060A7.40104@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 04:10:09 +0000 (UTC) =0AOne loop always worked for me... but then I always had trouble getting t= he timing right for more than one, so it's more MY limitation than the box'= s.=0A=0ATim Mungenast=0AEditor/Writer/Proofreader: www.linkedin.com/in/timm= ungenast=0AGuitarist/Composer/Vocalist: www.reverbnation.com/timmungenast= =0A=0A=0A--- On Wed, 1/23/13, Rick Walker wrote:=0A= =0A> From: Rick Walker =0A> Subject: Directness in Sim= plicity=0A> To: "Jeff Duke" , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (postin= g)" =0A> Date: Wednesday, January 23, = 2013, 5:13 PM=0A> On 1/23/2013 5:21 AM, Jeff Duke=0A> wrote:=0A> > I just n= oticed that my Line 6 M9 has a button for=0A> undo/redo, never noticed it b= efore!=0A> > =0A> > =0A> That's hilarious, Jeff.=0A> =0A> In my own work (a= nd I own an M-9 and use it live) I'm so=0A> used to the architecture=0A> of= the LP-1 (and now the LP-2) that I got really into=0A> creating seamless o= verdubs so that if=0A> I ever UDNO a loop (or five) I am also thinking ahea= d of the=0A> game and ready to re-record something=0A> quickly.=0A> =0A> Th= at said and done, the single RE-DO on the M-9 is useful if=0A> you are play= ing a second instrument=0A> in a performance and you suddenly want to bring= in that part=0A> that you eliminated with an UNDO=0A> to suddenly fill thi= ngs out.=0A> =0A> Another thought about UNDO is that I rarely use very many= =0A> layers in my looping anyway,=0A> so I actually don't use a lot of UNDO= in my playing, though=0A> glad Bob put that feature into=0A> the LP-2.=0A>= =0A> With the exception of ambient music where lots of smeary=0A> layers a= re a plus,=A0=A0=A0I think that a lot of=0A> loopers forget that everyone i= n a sextet has to play=0A> commensurately less and simpler parts=0A> to mak= e an arrangement really powerful than in a duo or=0A> trio.=0A> =0A> So man= y loopers at the festival,=A0=A0=A0Lili Lewis=0A> and Jerry Barnes come to = mind immediately=0A> played pieces of music with a single loop and then pla= yed=0A> over it , beautifully so=0A> there's a lot of potential in minimali= sm whilst looping.=0A> =0A> It, of course, is not the only way to go, and a= ll forms of=0A> expression are , of course, valid,=0A> but I find that if I= keep my loop count down that there is=0A> directness in the simplicity.=0A= > =0A> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 08:57:23 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96737183496; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 08:57:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1359017842; bh=dx0WeJXvgLrTwJcPAGImwlvZcRpEQXzSCzu+B9tPrAo=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer; b=OusRVamW0qyGUqpGBiXG+bxzEqGUiznEZuGblXaVeJV878zmu9sdlT9fvzpH5/a9ABnA83YLDzPIJ/OSwN5Cvzfuud0val5fxArh270IE7qphLK37ue3MY2UfsFhygH2M0i4YXNFAd2yVIZs4WusbgVBSudZu9YTTNRE+T39Wjs= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 149546.6133.bm@smtp137.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: vg81mgEVM1k9GZZ.nN_rxmes8YSkHsEHinLareBEBOl4EH1 gEl15Vb84mOvGieaFmFEKrJKzrugRZsA8op4fQJR2sfX.DxV.p.Kwjhv3gKP nwe0JvMI_SlTiV2oWJZG_Ma2dSgRcj83fey0fAZIYzTtGi9iweDLp9EEyiJp xCQ2LMNHVxYG.8NQPqyUvWAxRGJ.b4eu.bL9d3UGc_yrE5vUtLlZqH87OS9Y 2Ml9ApzcqSIf4f2aSyF_cMadTLdpxPjtFHaSrqca4YU9OKum5dz9UIkZmKlM W4MOD8aH8e7dr6nTEh_TUlxaG0gVnYozg1u0Imip6xGfXmRSH.r_yz8WQ46O mpJYUuE9quumnIGp6Z63o3.Tc75Tu.boxjWWQM9SmVDHvQo7t9ZlDYAxoVKl JJWCh7Uv98vAEKtF6zrxVzVEFm_xn5r8nSmxAIVb4XVjMPdWPL.5SSh4aZU8 qR3gaJpekUfPQZns33bP7Yq22r_6vAFed1ZP733kYKjB3SpNRVH_mbk2QZg. 0yVvwbStgkx849waxmhbQMNepR2OV9sieW6_LqHqQFcd993x1.v1b7IQIxwN H9KbU4h_7o48rAS7RVcWSjp.QUE9xwFuE4NbdgCaWb027eUNFNCgg7JjDsDf TTCTbkkey1uFI53LBb2AUfAo- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 75CdczOswBChen.W3AbLhaW8TlC96TVo5w-- From: Ben To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 09:57:21 +0100 Subject: Re: Slightly OT: NAMM News from Eventide - H9 In-Reply-To: <3E8F126C-B17F-4BB2-9CC3-20B4DE1FE03B@teddyjam.com> References: <510058EB.20106@cruzio.com> <3E8F126C-B17F-4BB2-9CC3-20B4DE1FE03B@teddyjam.com> Message-Id: <20130124095721.A479CD20.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: nPOPuk Ver 2.16 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 08:57:23 +0000 (UTC) The Tc electronic toneprint free editor might be a game changer too: http://www.tcelectronic.com/toneprint-editor/ Now (well in some weeks) you wil customize your delay pedal ;-) ben -------------------------------------------------- "Teddyjam.com" wrote: (23/01/2013 23:30) > Whoa.... Game changer > > Teddy Kumpel > http://teddyjam.com > > On Jan 23, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > > > On 1/23/2013 10:52 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > >> http://ftp.eventide.com/h9/index.htm > >> > >> Seems the tricky thing is that it can run any of the Eventide Stompox algorithms. And it's got an ultratap delay, a true classic for those to whom "looping" means "lots of delays". > >> > >> -r > > "it's incredible"!!!! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 11:14:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78245183494; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 11:14:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=YGZPeDFXe4rj1TZ9myR0GDZh+KBMbwU0PTKYkU3k4tc=; b=bzHL0fOGQnU0KFTQYrHIcSkvK/TqyGftCk99RGht8B+GLFSp6jyXriYKdz0hmjCX9b pEe9t2G2p0ClHpcxDo50LBIaSaN3wbN71qVzC60xrD60+2ADIBMt5Qgizb8fKAEPVxXv Z1uXCcVbM6+SCepbvfkHtPWlu+AY/4V1EgqiHI6XJ5gyLW7dofJLfKaXEaflES+xgPeS zZQ8DafBDdPpxqmaI+zifI/vcDENE3obYBRqExLNbCkqcNszS+c69wuRkuR2AbKDHyAr OFa5gTJOnY216qL10vjqv24EJwWrmcifYaEMob/i1EKSZ9oN5J06eYbbPLD7mQW7GGLK 7ftw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.53.3 with SMTP id x3mr1102703obo.87.1359026090843; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 03:14:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1359000607.89828.YahooMailClassic@web84520.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <510060A7.40104@cruzio.com> <1359000607.89828.YahooMailClassic@web84520.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 12:14:50 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Directness in Simplicity From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 11:14:51 +0000 (UTC) I too like working one loop, for "directness and simplicity" to quote the subject line. I've recently used two loops but then running in parallel and controlled by the same pedals just as if the were "one loop". But when of different length they tend to fight back a bit anyway :-)) as in the example http://youtu.be/tzZRpC4TjHg Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 5:10 AM, Tim Mungenast wrote: > > One loop always worked for me... but then I always had trouble getting the timing right for more than one, so it's more MY limitation than the box's. > > Tim Mungenast > Editor/Writer/Proofreader: www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast > Guitarist/Composer/Vocalist: www.reverbnation.com/timmungenast > > > --- On Wed, 1/23/13, Rick Walker wrote: > >> From: Rick Walker >> Subject: Directness in Simplicity >> To: "Jeff Duke" , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" >> Date: Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 5:13 PM >> On 1/23/2013 5:21 AM, Jeff Duke >> wrote: >> > I just noticed that my Line 6 M9 has a button for >> undo/redo, never noticed it before! >> > >> > >> That's hilarious, Jeff. >> >> In my own work (and I own an M-9 and use it live) I'm so >> used to the architecture >> of the LP-1 (and now the LP-2) that I got really into >> creating seamless overdubs so that if >> I ever UDNO a loop (or five) I am also thinking ahead of the >> game and ready to re-record something >> quickly. >> >> That said and done, the single RE-DO on the M-9 is useful if >> you are playing a second instrument >> in a performance and you suddenly want to bring in that part >> that you eliminated with an UNDO >> to suddenly fill things out. >> >> Another thought about UNDO is that I rarely use very many >> layers in my looping anyway, >> so I actually don't use a lot of UNDO in my playing, though >> glad Bob put that feature into >> the LP-2. >> >> With the exception of ambient music where lots of smeary >> layers are a plus, I think that a lot of >> loopers forget that everyone in a sextet has to play >> commensurately less and simpler parts >> to make an arrangement really powerful than in a duo or >> trio. >> >> So many loopers at the festival, Lili Lewis >> and Jerry Barnes come to mind immediately >> played pieces of music with a single loop and then played >> over it , beautifully so >> there's a lot of potential in minimalism whilst looping. >> >> It, of course, is not the only way to go, and all forms of >> expression are , of course, valid, >> but I find that if I keep my loop count down that there is >> directness in the simplicity. >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 11:51:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FF0F183495; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 11:51:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=/dbGXITK10objm+vsqp9N6Dc/zipzIkDNvjK1qT4v2A=; b=R3KbHujN+zC6ZOILb5QVLm5EGhecggRIFrFxVRPByd4nvQvTqfAv2mzvARM+XX1/hj RuMAXFoWSYdXyFd/iWrG7qp3UQO7axuI+13hs32wl6ui0o+V1paR2dwRw2u/MNeqIr4Q 2KEGzKOIs+DdkKSnnj0QPbK82d92L++yGQlYIaFS/oITxycvbXB+e7WPcZD4z4SctTtX qF0Ey9jR86wdFBK5h1I9qWJ/+UeSAAJCel1NXCVjeIMe70DMqJFInQduSSmSkcU8OSif fjOBATBv9sqo3N0eRXzztd+ho1F8KWin9mAiNgNmzg+7NvgLHwOfinUmJan2cd8cbE0o eqng== X-Received: by 10.68.134.232 with SMTP id pn8mr4072201pbb.47.1359028272823; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 03:51:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <510060A7.40104@cruzio.com> <1359000607.89828.YahooMailClassic@web84520.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 12:50:52 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 61UQrfxGmCX-FjXokiSmuSHkdhY Message-ID: Subject: Re: Directness in Simplicity To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b10c86170fba304d4076d82 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 11:51:14 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b10c86170fba304d4076d82 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > I've recently used two loops but then running in > parallel and controlled by the same pedals just as if the were "one > loop". But when of different length they tend to fight back a bit > anyway :-)) as in the example http://youtu.be/tzZRpC4TjHg > This is a great technique Per, I do the same with 2 EDPs, by having the standard EDP pedal plugged into both EDPs via a splitter, Make a loop on both, using front panel, or my midi pedalboard, but of 2 different lengths, 4 cycles on oneand 6 on the other for example, then using replace on the EDP pedal, it inserts onto both loops, but the parts com back out of synch polyrythmicaly, but as they are exact divisions its always musically useful. M -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b10c86170fba304d4076d82 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
I've recently used two= loops but then running in
parallel and controlled by the same pedals just as if the were "one loop". But when of different length they tend to fight back a bit
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This is a great technique Per, I do the same with 2 EDPs, by=A0having=A0th= e=A0standard=A0EDP pedal plugged into both EDPs via a splitter, Make a loop= on both, using front panel, or my midi pedalboard, but of 2 different leng= ths, 4 cycles on oneand 6 on the other for example, then using replace on t= he EDP pedal, it inserts onto both loops, but the parts com back out of syn= ch polyrythmicaly, but as they are exact=A0divisions=A0its always=A0musical= ly=A0useful.

--047d7b10c86170fba304d4076d82-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 14:54:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD740183496; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 14:54:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Policy: 217.70.183.196 is whitelisted X-Policy: 217.70.183.196 is whitelisted X-Originating-IP: 10.0.10.73 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Gandi Mail Message-ID: <59303.1359037981@clubcapelli.com> To: Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Origin: 212.234.152.56 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 15:33:01 +0100 Subject: Re: Re: New EHX Multi-Track Looping Recorder announced ! From: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 14:54:05 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I own a 2880 + foot switch, and I use it with a Yamaha midi foot switch. If any questions on the 2880, don't hesitate (but sorry for my poor English= writing). I can see other major differences between the 2880 and the 45000 : - SD cards instead of CF cards - "foot switch" instead of "foot controller" : perhaps it is only a change = in the name, but in my opinion, it is more : probably as for the HOG II, a = new foot controller with memories and=20 dysplay!... Best Regards from France, Marc Le mer 23/01/13 22:59, Rick Walker looppool@cruzio.com a =C3=A9crit: > On 1/23/2013 11:59 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: > > I am disappointed by it. It is just the same as the > 2880 except that=20 > you can store your loops for editing and reloading. > For me a non=20 > interest. It also has an added mono mix monitor > output. whoopie! lol > > > Maybe some specs are different but I didn't notice > anything else from=20 > a brief look at the manual. >=20 > Did the original have the ability to tune loops over 2 octaves. > That's a huge plus in my work and made me excited. >=20 > also, it has synced or unsynced loops. Isn't that an improvement, > too? I don't know the original unit but have heard people talk about it. >=20 > yours, Rick >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 15:54:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A41B0183495; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 15:54:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=gt9Lcz1O6nAEdA1knaxXEUKcrhJi6PTpnoS4+J3383A=; b=ucFn/1KY7fUtD416xDcXEnWEN/EkfZa35z0z8tEq1PJC8T31rO7Wp9tx5r8G/ytMjA fOwhC2Lxn4KNu7LG8YzhF79lFyVEsGYu4E6yJTttTiR//DHpc1y3SI3oHyDSIscMpGgi LRLPkFmCqXJfMSKESVnnPivL+spIe5J4rlVcyDwzbi2jUeD8jnJ2xgyA0sqN6WC8d/e8 yRHc5LRoB+eKTO0rczxK9d6bYhOebMUE8dFwQa0uAAn1zbOhh49EBehJI/CTORmUXtzO cCB+/aK8Cb+NCBFwk7zhAPhZqaQZqUSmmmQNu4h/ocAWr9xCUF6BzmrORsrgNZVvExV0 XJTQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.196.137 with SMTP id eg9mr2407666qab.99.1359042843024; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 07:54:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20130124095721.A479CD20.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> References: <510058EB.20106@cruzio.com> <3E8F126C-B17F-4BB2-9CC3-20B4DE1FE03B@teddyjam.com> <20130124095721.A479CD20.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 10:54:02 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Slightly OT: NAMM News from Eventide - H9 From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300fb36fe49d0004d40ad1bb Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 15:54:03 +0000 (UTC) --20cf300fb36fe49d0004d40ad1bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Now if they would just make something for designing your own looper pedal..... Jeff On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 3:57 AM, Ben wrote: > The Tc electronic toneprint free editor might be a game changer too: > http://www.tcelectronic.com/toneprint-editor/ > > Now (well in some weeks) you wil customize your delay pedal ;-) > > ben > > > -------------------------------------------------- > "Teddyjam.com" wrote: > (23/01/2013 23:30) > > > Whoa.... Game changer > > > > Teddy Kumpel > > http://teddyjam.com > > > > On Jan 23, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > > > > > On 1/23/2013 10:52 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > > >> http://ftp.eventide.com/h9/index.htm > > >> > > >> Seems the tricky thing is that it can run any of the Eventide Stompox > algorithms. And it's got an ultratap delay, a true classic for those to > whom "looping" means "lots of delays". > > >> > > >> -r > > > "it's incredible"!!!! > > > > > --20cf300fb36fe49d0004d40ad1bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now if they would just make something for designing your own looper pedal..= ...

Jeff

On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 3= :57 AM, Ben <benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> wrote:
The Tc electronic toneprint free editor migh= t be a game changer too:
http://www.tcelectronic.com/toneprint-editor/

Now (well in some weeks) you wil customize your delay pedal ;-)

ben


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"Teddyjam.com" <teddy@te= ddyjam.com> wrote:
(23/01/2013 23:30)

> Whoa.... Game changer
>
> Teddy Kumpel
> http://teddyjam.com<= /a>
>
> On Jan 23, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Rick Walker <
looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
>
> > On 1/23/2013 10:52 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote:
> >> http://ftp.eventide.com/h9/index.htm
> >>
> >> Seems the tricky thing is that it can run any of the Eventide= Stompox algorithms. And it's got an ultratap delay, a true classic for= those to whom "looping" means "lots of delays".
> >>
> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -r
> > "it's incredible"!!!!
> >


--20cf300fb36fe49d0004d40ad1bb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 16:59:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C35D183499; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 16:59:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3x09@carlsonarts.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 820634.16367.bm@smtp115.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: KuVloeAVM1kfo45_utQF74zCW2whc61CM6ITZ08AurvgYBy kfJcMn_gis4Um9WsPPzRBUFv0b84plXHAiDQhizTiNHQEXusF27krZnd_2ZK Z95rCNXOklPLPARGkNTpIdz2Rs3G4IGKeZTvo37_Ju4vyA3CwOLXyICzAzEP RcdVwr_0rs5B.42r3I8xXv6jfR5C6gifJQwNbWwpcsSBGWwzH_K9q8TyQC3X eREw3tLPZY33KVyEZA8wc7.dFVtWbOcS81UI_US6tOPDv78Pi0QBRcTGIDDp M26u7d_KUqRYdjUMHmU6cPqB9yUfsWblWTpjkXudVJZ6HWqQsQPcXYDgCYKZ 1bQgUpPI6m7RYczdn0.QjlDsS.oQH66PSvp9ExCEwNuhWYtPHqw5yXPeDADl 6bTXAlk.3OZy4nBxjzFbWN0mkpjQigYtGAhm9NOtfvD.bgxyh X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F References: <510060A7.40104@cruzio.com> <1359000607.89828.YahooMailClassic@web84520.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> Subject: Re: Directness in Simplicity Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 08:59:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 16:59:28 +0000 (UTC) I find that I am constantly trying to find ways to utilize more than one = loop in order to create looping arrangements of more complex pieces, but = when it comes down to it, I should probably stick to one loop and just = make simpler arrangements that use changes in texture, harmony and vocal = "instrumentation" rather than changes in harmony. If I could at least = get some sort of pitch shifting to work it would be great, though. =20 Michael Carlson 3x09= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 17:01:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E32EA18349C; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:01:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3x09@carlsonarts.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 631707.26849.bm@smtp105.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 8iVWiQEVM1n6dscy.SVmX6Bswm3Smtp4iupKNGiBSABR3bh weFGVVA603V16sSqk9wyxj9Yu8dTNnW4HVAhqbDdEM9bcAWWyvTIvyDbfGBu OGdltAr0yGKnJmOfy1TOjvcuIYw431MYF6Usd7WNEo0r9tC7FX_VtAX3V1G6 90H8suv1W7gGOfF9fhfd.V_ny0dxDZHD8bRvxln48EhQlPc.5zxNgsRSX1tB 8jTyKf9G7WdUz5zmkWMHGHu8nKrdcrKFa2J95FU_MkGyWAq8.9iitiPvWbni VmfZ17xRXRzxkzzqp4yboa1qJSjYQVfbV8HHmMUyRPzhDktFKB3M6AGEKLir 4Xc478tieQdRC10cC.rV9fLOGS7sfIfl9jQenIoKzvUcejW8g3Auxe_Pxh0F 3cXDIZuFEVuiHeB0uzYoNflUpyX17dx8RVU48wiauNzF3Zi2mo7bs X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F References: <510060A7.40104@cruzio.com> <1359000607.89828.YahooMailClassic@web84520.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <78CEEC50-658A-42F1-BBC6-423566D04C59@carlsonarts.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> Subject: Re: Directness in Simplicity Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 09:01:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:01:51 +0000 (UTC) oops i meant rather than changes in structure. On Jan 24, 2013, at 8:59 AM, TripleOhNine wrote: > rather than changes in harmony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 18:21:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33A95183496; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:21:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 6826 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:21:05 UTC Message-ID: <510160E3.8000208@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 16:27:15 +0000 From: Chrissie Caulfield User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130110 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: Jeff Duke Subject: Re: Slightly OT: NAMM News from Eventide - H9 References: <510058EB.20106@cruzio.com> <3E8F126C-B17F-4BB2-9CC3-20B4DE1FE03B@teddyjam.com> <20130124095721.A479CD20.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=AUhbpHVS+xhHrj9wLCYAQoYnFLYUZdbP8UM0GmH2jwk= c=1 sm=0 a=IUyNvTVCZWAA:10 a=9-JhYld8ZeIA:10 a=osC80HIQVLkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=r9kNYETKAAAA:8 a=WcyoBHRqAAAA:8 a=oTtuw1C_AAAA:8 a=tSy4KMGkAAAA:8 a=CaJBB1VBQoZNqvWOISYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=i9ZDfPxgmIkA:10 a=pQ2a0EFxmsAA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:21:06 +0000 (UTC) That would be awesome! I still want a cross-fade looper :P Chrissie On 24/01/13 15:54, Jeff Duke wrote: > Now if they would just make something for designing your own looper > pedal..... > > Jeff > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 3:57 AM, Ben > wrote: > > The Tc electronic toneprint free editor might be a game changer too: > http://www.tcelectronic.com/toneprint-editor/ > > Now (well in some weeks) you wil customize your delay pedal ;-) > > ben > > > -------------------------------------------------- > "Teddyjam.com" > wrote: > (23/01/2013 23:30) > > > Whoa.... Game changer > > > > Teddy Kumpel > > http://teddyjam.com > > > > On Jan 23, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Rick Walker > wrote: > > > > > On 1/23/2013 10:52 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > > >> http://ftp.eventide.com/h9/index.htm > > >> > > >> Seems the tricky thing is that it can run any of the Eventide > Stompox algorithms. And it's got an ultratap delay, a true classic > for those to whom "looping" means "lots of delays". > > >> > > >> -r > > > "it's incredible"!!!! > > > > > -- Chrissie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 19:05:20 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 305F818349A; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 19:05:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=j0IPzGiEiVwytXdQ/5noNd6xUBqx130mha/8KoobGuc=; b=AL8CiDlaiINIKckIwyV6bTyYUgoJU0wGRg7WPQb8Zgq4d1h0WaMt6u+mbyrfQCcWkf Zij77a1zIuVJdVXye/lXgVqD7vw2Y3V/DP0moJWx0shoJQS6LLQfny8qoNsPLRIcHQNZ ia6TyNoVEc6RoEvPz0D6S4PvHoapGjpHuXPXzFSFDaicDP+VKfNYod+JaGYdO7xM3A2B lYdAOnfe/IuSHGvpEjs+BS1fsDAgiHoPpBkc9mMnjpwFqrJqDRpCYvhVFKSvgMFs20Co J0Vr/1QQSq2aynSwMavoAYbr77J4R2MwVgyyYPh+pcOX0wzBaAbZIqb64OPSctzLiCNm N4Fg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.171.112 with SMTP id at16mr2342720oec.47.1359054319222; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 11:05:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <510060A7.40104@cruzio.com> <1359000607.89828.YahooMailClassic@web84520.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 20:05:19 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Directness in Simplicity From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 19:05:20 +0000 (UTC) You can still make some complex arrangements in one loop. Just be nifty with loop length when layering! If for example your first loop is four beats long and you want accompany it with a repeating three beat long loop the simple math gives that you should add the three-beat pattern while multiplying the four beat loop "x3". Then both patterns will meat again on each twelfth beat as the loop turns around. Just one example. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 5:59 PM, TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> wrote: > I find that I am constantly trying to find ways to utilize more than one = loop in order to create looping arrangements of more complex pieces, but wh= en it comes down to it, I should probably stick to one loop and just make s= impler arrangements that use changes in texture, harmony and vocal "instrum= entation" rather than changes in harmony. If I could at least get some sor= t of pitch shifting to work it would be great, though. > > Michael Carlson > 3x09 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 24 23:34:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 001C1183497; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 23:03:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com x-originating-ip: 208.109.97.160 Message-ID: <5101BDC0.8000101@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:03:28 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9U6Ut.A.rKG.E3bARB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 23:03:32 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EST/GMT-5 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Mystified. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 03:02:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A029A183494; Fri, 25 Jan 2013 03:02:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=QKGOuiwGl7x3MBuJbuVO/G+7yfJLKDMIQYKQU8F3vSc=; b=jKLVjK2scsJv/r9Rjn1j/l6SvBwHIovzhpnydwNCjo3s/nFrm02wep5+lGUM5JYVqo yXmOSp29u00mtHyJq9OxkRn9DXVU3W4ITtbxi2WFT2bNRlEqn5MWLedNScxrvstXToSq BadfLLVkM+noTzGOaL6xIK+ZpxV5JPC9UD6k78cLTb7b+dTaHXi8nzhQqm/E/NawB/J0 Amny6FUYOajhAeQUkJs+tJHTODIHftm37xSAr0V3PZiMeaAyDJXng3/lTpkoKZGG5yec wmHpFYANSaPURfZOUQLO8KCvNPWrT2jPgVdqdrArdTTQeAua5xmoJg8Z15QU/9b7vl7a tr1w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.101.68 with SMTP id b4mr4370432qao.29.1359082942010; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 19:02:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 22:02:21 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: feedback issue with mics in live performance From: Ben Walsh To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3066817bfa949304d41427ba Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 03:02:22 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3066817bfa949304d41427ba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 hello everyone! so nice to find a community of like-minded cats. so i'm trying to loop real drums in my live show, with two mics, and they are picking up a bunch of feedback and adding it to the loop, so the sound is quite degraded after 2 or 3 layers. anybody had success dealing with this issue? or is what i'm trying impossible? i'm not using any monitors at all. thanks! ben --20cf3066817bfa949304d41427ba Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hello everyone! =A0so nice to find a community of like-min= ded cats.

so i'm trying to loop real drums in my liv= e show, with two mics, and they are picking up a bunch of feedback and addi= ng it to the loop, so the sound is quite degraded after 2 or 3 layers. =A0a= nybody had success dealing with this issue? =A0or is what i'm trying im= possible? =A0i'm not using any monitors at all.

thanks!
ben
--20cf3066817bfa949304d41427ba-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 08:46:33 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94223183491; Fri, 25 Jan 2013 08:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 824944.42066.bm@omp1031.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1359103592; bh=In0nTV4oV6GxjvusrguJ/HBvTQKhoEz+3gV6K+zPS5k=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Qx3BYDU1vm2T0tpQRXSF0reNZ8V4uTlJiRrK1fJrnzLymiXXVht7TcuCaBjnt5JmNCKL7kqAlJg4FmqT8Y0BIaF6fjo5aKL6w5UI/8a7y8nULWgnsD+Bo7qLvAn7ElDLbpbXY16ZLcDa7FMfpFlf3sa6AYPmRqb0ZMb2YWkKZs8= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=w2HXpLuVxrd57UuDVMCidRc2WlT+3gyy8Z+xbbH6xq+dZIghuStU/9j/fjYRUzAJ3VALbdmrqXUB3iBVBqd2YH+dMjnw/OisaQWUw8brlupkMlua/Pu/DR5jVVGxsH13q8qd42WcBMUlTEfw/uudhF/7asQ8y7ibZRI1AOrqqBk=; X-YMail-OSG: 8lDXFBsVM1lVzLD0M9r0XRPcX_8cdVL6bYsMWdl6JX8BMyA 5mLUnxzTqdB4XsMEAdDWPSjbiaf7cv6peNtRuronsd8.coVhh1CSMG.SUf.7 SyAlyYbsazv8__p2MQKA8i1EiZt8wPV87.zzIHHcz5sSrIIiZ96V4DBQi4jP szYKMwxAk8JLwXxoQ5Nj_z.4e5dRpQuKFjvSAPH5_ZWwJNxEDxmFgVK7TMVn 05qmvqbvskK1fF1KrpYW9pSd1JXvLJo9ix99ShzMCcHh1gL_Ce1YDAzzaveg .guXkY_IC0PaRCbeA9lhfJpLnuD1wlJcJw3gPR2bkkTC3oPUkBvxlPCTytkJ Mx0HWuapAuWebH9jG13w0.FwbVOst5k7shCFbZHKe9ZuhgyBDMI_01T6THGK 1jaYwEkdQ3PYlJwMZgMrT6sbWYS165pDql8kIoWbdK2VerNGov6lNcUCJmho .8GxjMOnqhQS5hUatcWYDMS_hz_YHQSraGYqFCGZ3svcUQ_fsaIz_4h41Vcf mmFpWmrAiujsTPt79QED5P6_4MrA0yTZtLN88GF6uEIa2r.axr52mAovBhz9 693jWQTW6uMxe.S9Gxmz3.XSOKUDcjArlvR0rjuYW_7m9EwOtSJxQyAg9bZ0 DoU3jt8WnKDezh4vZ4EKhDyY0R2YvMvqEAkV4lLnuikyYceDJX3sIGYUrkbK J0Jnem9_uvcBAOA6zKg7NZKTXty5hAmCNCHb_NV21WCcfDsQw_MN0GnLlMBC i1c3HL4X5ofFWyFvzzdlw X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,QmVuLAoKc2VlbXMgbGlrZSB5b3UnZCB3YW50IHRvIHVzZSBtb3JlIHRoYW4gdHdvLCBhbmQgdHJ5IHNvbWUga2luZCBvZiBjbGlwIG9uIG1pYyBsaWtlIHRoaXM6CgpodHRwOi8vd3d3LnN3ZWV0d2F0ZXIuY29tL3N0b3JlL2RldGFpbC9FNjA0LwoKCmFsc28gYSBnb29kIG9sZCBzbSA1NyBoYXMgZ3JlYXQgcmVqZWN0aW9uIGFuZCBjb3VsZCBtYWtlIGEgZ29vZCBoaS1oYXQgbWljLiDCoGJ1dCBsb29waW5nIHdpdGggbWljcyBpcyByZWFsbHkgdHJpY2t5IGZvciBpbnN0cnVtZW50cywgaXQgc2VlbXMgbGlrZSABMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.130.494 References: Message-ID: <1359103592.27847.YahooMailNeo@web161306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 00:46:32 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Uccello Reply-To: Steve Uccello Subject: Re: feedback issue with mics in live performance To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1600601909-1845060161-1359103592=:27847" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 08:46:33 +0000 (UTC) ---1600601909-1845060161-1359103592=:27847 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ben,=0A=0Aseems like you'd want to use more than two, and try some kind of = clip on mic like this:=0A=0Ahttp://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/E604/=0A= =0A=0Aalso a good old sm 57 has great rejection and could make a good hi-ha= t mic. =A0but looping with mics is really tricky for instruments, it seems = like there's no way to get around bleed though, even if you can get around = the feedback issue. =A0Depending on hw loud you want to be, I'd probably ge= t a set of clip-ons mics and a little mixer like this:=0A=0Ahttp://www.swee= twater.com/store/detail/802VLZ3=0A=0A=0APut all the mics into it and send t= he outs to your looper, that way you can have the option to eq stuff to be = less problematic, low cuts can help a lot. you could also pursue contact mi= cs like these really inexpensive ones:=0A=0Ahttp://www.cranksturgeon.com/PI= EZOCRANK.html=0A=0A=0Abut then your sound quality is going to get a bit nas= al and you might just want to go for an electric drum kit. =A0If you can fi= nd something with sounds you like an electric drum kit would be the way to = go, unless you're really set on an acoustic kit.=0A=0AI play upright bass w= ith the bow a lot and loop, so I've been through a bunch of issues with ble= ed through and feed back. =A0But capturing the arco tone was really importa= nt to me. =A0I eventually came to a custom built, onboard 2 piezo/1 mic sys= tem on my bass. =A0=0A=0AI also loop with a little frame drum armed with a = crank sturgeon contact mic and that works pretty well for me. It can go pre= tty loud and sounds good. =A0I'm sure some of the other folks on this list = who are drummers can offer you some more detailed advice-I hope this helps = and good luck!=0A=0ASteve Uccello=0A=0Awww.steveuccello.com=A0=0A=0A=0A____= ____________________________=0A From: Ben Walsh =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Thursday, Jan= uary 24, 2013 7:02 PM=0ASubject: feedback issue with mics in live performan= ce=0A =0A=0Ahello everyone! =A0so nice to find a community of like-minded c= ats.=0A=0Aso i'm trying to loop real drums in my live show, with two mics, = and they are picking up a bunch of feedback and adding it to the loop, so t= he sound is quite degraded after 2 or 3 layers. =A0anybody had success deal= ing with this issue? =A0or is what i'm trying impossible? =A0i'm not using = any monitors at all.=0A=0Athanks!=0Aben ---1600601909-1845060161-1359103592=:27847 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ben,
=
seems like you'd want to use more than two, and try so= me kind of clip on mic like this:

http= ://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/E604/

<= span>also a good old sm 57 has great rejection and could make a good hi-hat= mic.  but looping with mics is really tricky for instruments, it seem= s like there's no way to get around bleed though, even if you can get aroun= d the feedback issue.  Depending on hw loud you want to be, I'd probab= ly get a set of clip-ons mics and a little mixer like this:

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/802VLZ3=

Put all the mics into it and send= the outs to your looper, that way you can have the option to eq stuff to b= e less problematic, low cuts can help a lot. you could also pursue contact = mics like these really inexpensive ones:

<= div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 19px; font-family: arial, helv= etica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; ">http://www.cranksturgeon.com/PIEZOCRANK.html

but then your sound quality is going to get a bit nasal and you might just= want to go for an electric drum kit.  If you can find something with = sounds you like an electric drum kit would be the way to go, unless you're = really set on an acoustic kit.

I play upright bass with the bow = a lot and loop, so I've been through a bunch of issues with bleed through an= d feed back.  But capturing the arco tone was really important to me. =  I eventually came to a custom built, onboard 2 piezo/1 mic system on = my bass.  

I also loop with a little frame drum armed with = a crank sturgeon contact mic and that works pretty well for me. It can go p= retty loud and sounds good.  I'm sure some of the other folks on this = list who are drummers can offer you some more detailed advice-I hope this h= elps and good luck!

Steve Uccello

www.= steveuccello.com 


From: Ben Walsh <thefriendliestbunnyrabbit= @gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:02 PM
Subject: feedback issue with mics in liv= e performance

hello everyone!  so nice to find a community of like-minded cats.
so i'm trying to loop real drums in my live show, with tw= o mics, and they are picking up a bunch of feedback and adding it to the lo= op, so the sound is quite degraded after 2 or 3 layers.  anybody had s= uccess dealing with this issue?  or is what i'm trying impossible? &nb= sp;i'm not using any monitors at all.
=0A

thanks!
ben
=0A


---1600601909-1845060161-1359103592=:27847-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 09:59:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 813BF183494; Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:59:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-EIP: [UOcOVJNy1RNgj1t/GNooyERS7wY/XNA2] X-Originating-Email: [satyam.shivam.sundaram@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_d86a6ef6-b5d8-49bd-a2e0-45031ee621e5_" From: Sergio Girardi Sender: To: Subject: How to properly train "live" looping at home? Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:59:55 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2013 09:59:55.0260 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9EECBC0:01CDFAE2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:59:56 +0000 (UTC) --_d86a6ef6-b5d8-49bd-a2e0-45031ee621e5_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello everybody=2C I need your feedback and experience=2C suggestions etc=2C about something I= am seeing in my rehearsals. Two things I notice. First=2C it's very difficult for me to create a method for learning/rehears= ing=2C and follow it with discipline without falling in the temptation of w= anting "results". So I never understand if I must be creative in my learning process=2C or if= I must be patient and methodic. You know=2C you want to learn guitar or drums=2C you must accept that you w= ill have to repeat and repeat beats=2C chords=2C training=2C boring things= =2C and if you try immediately just to play things=2C you will not learn we= ll. This is what I was told. What do you think? In my case=2C I am learning just the looping itself=2C and the loopers. I p= lay no instrument=2C I sing and beatbox=2C and then use synths. Second=2C I notice that when I rehears I tend to search for a "final result= "=2C as if I am composing a theme with Cubase=2C something finished=2C a co= mposition which must be all there in the looper. And so I lose myself becau= se to do this I need lot of tracks and separate loops and patterns and chan= ge of patterns=2C or I have something boring and static. But at same time this happens while I am supposedly training for live loopi= ng performances where I will mostly improvise! So this is confusing me. And I guess that this can also be part of why I was so concerned about the = undo/redo thing in the Octatrack. I mean=2C maybe if I just train with the = intention and attitude of a live improvised music performance=2C where not = all stays in the looper=2C you just loop some things=2C and above them you = play real time=2C solo=2C not looped parts. I suppose that this may be happening because I am not so good musician so I= try to give to the machine as many responsabilities as possible and to avo= id me doing things in real time. But if all is looped=2C it is quite=2C cir= cular=2C boring. What can you suggest me to avoid this=2C and be able to be more effective i= n my learning process rehearsing at home? Thanks!!! Ser = --_d86a6ef6-b5d8-49bd-a2e0-45031ee621e5_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello everybody=2C

I need your feedback and experience=2C suggestion= s etc=2C about something I am seeing in my rehearsals.
Two things I noti= ce.
First=2C it's very difficult for me to create a method for learning/= rehearsing=2C and follow it with discipline without falling in the temptati= on of wanting "results".
So I never understand if I must be creative in = my learning process=2C or if I must be patient and methodic.
You know=2C= you want to learn guitar or drums=2C you must accept that you will have to= repeat and repeat beats=2C chords=2C training=2C boring things=2C and if y= ou try immediately just to play things=2C you will not learn well.
This = is what I was told.
What do you think?
In my case=2C I am learning ju= st the looping itself=2C and the loopers. I play no instrument=2C I sing an= d beatbox=2C and then use synths.

Second=2C I notice that when I reh= ears I tend to search for a "final result"=2C as if I am composing a theme = with Cubase=2C something finished=2C a composition which must be all there = in the looper. And so I lose myself because to do this I need lot of tracks= and separate loops and patterns and change of patterns=2C or I have someth= ing boring and static.
But at same time this happens while I am supposed= ly training for live looping performances where I will mostly improvise! So= this is confusing me.
And I guess that this can also be part of why I w= as so concerned about the undo/redo thing in the Octatrack. I mean=2C maybe= if I just train with the intention and attitude of a live improvised music= performance=2C where not all stays in the looper=2C you just loop some thi= ngs=2C and above them you play real time=2C solo=2C not looped parts.
I = suppose that this may be happening because I am not so good musician so I t= ry to give to the machine as many responsabilities as possible and to avoid= me doing things in real time. But if all is looped=2C it is quite=2C circu= lar=2C boring.

What can you suggest me to avoid this=2C and be able = to be more effective in my learning process rehearsing at home?

Than= ks!!!

Ser
= --_d86a6ef6-b5d8-49bd-a2e0-45031ee621e5_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 11:22:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 728AC18348F; Fri, 25 Jan 2013 11:22:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rEKWf02SR6HHVIEckXO/JuynciJd0F20eX9r7VWB2DA=; b=oUFePq5vloFRbMlduU9e6bB0X2e6AJ/ODF3majdiIshcUVTs6rM+Ij0XEvVWwtByHe 21wiJH1WpPvGfTVvXt+XZaXND/R/DvJP/Bf2Lh8udzM6tQaHnCki4ELJ7uuVfacVlD73 2aTqo0fidlkmth60q15fnemlTAm2nU57bnQaz0NArAVhthOyTf/BoyE0tkQlCiAiEd6o /yfaP+qf7y5SuZHC6t9dIxiB8NzEeT3Q57B21cjuHJOjz2nhPSfAbT3boyAcRu74xqDD Tx7AhK+phYgnTaqJjL+54xDuenHqZ9MUaoTuY64nPiuhsbdLXx0fJgoUzLjZ85mhXCHe qfng== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.31.195 with SMTP id c3mr4179629oei.57.1359112969502; Fri, 25 Jan 2013 03:22:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 12:22:49 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How to properly train "live" looping at home? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 11:22:50 +0000 (UTC) Some non tech tips: A very good thing to learn is to make one loop and then keep changing it in a way that you create music that evolves in a flow that makes it interesting to listen to. The shorter the loop the easier it is to change it quickly enough. Never become boring! Rather make a less planned quick change than just stay inactive while your music approaches the dangerous "boring-zone". An important aspect is to balance the two musical lines: the line you are performing with your audio input and the line you are creating in the looper (partially derived from your audio input). Two lines is well enough for highly interesting music to occur, you may for example create a "questions and answers game" between the two lines. Just one idea, there are several others. Just do not record and keep playing over the recording, that's a one way ticked to the boredom-zone. Try to tell a story with looping instead of building a piece in the looper. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Sergio Girardi wrote: > Hello everybody, > > I need your feedback and experience, suggestions etc, about something I am > seeing in my rehearsals. > Two things I notice. > First, it's very difficult for me to create a method for > learning/rehearsing, and follow it with discipline without falling in the > temptation of wanting "results". > So I never understand if I must be creative in my learning process, or if I > must be patient and methodic. > You know, you want to learn guitar or drums, you must accept that you will > have to repeat and repeat beats, chords, training, boring things, and if you > try immediately just to play things, you will not learn well. > This is what I was told. > What do you think? > In my case, I am learning just the looping itself, and the loopers. I play > no instrument, I sing and beatbox, and then use synths. > > Second, I notice that when I rehears I tend to search for a "final result", > as if I am composing a theme with Cubase, something finished, a composition > which must be all there in the looper. And so I lose myself because to do > this I need lot of tracks and separate loops and patterns and change of > patterns, or I have something boring and static. > But at same time this happens while I am supposedly training for live > looping performances where I will mostly improvise! So this is confusing me. > And I guess that this can also be part of why I was so concerned about the > undo/redo thing in the Octatrack. I mean, maybe if I just train with the > intention and attitude of a live improvised music performance, where not all > stays in the looper, you just loop some things, and above them you play real > time, solo, not looped parts. > I suppose that this may be happening because I am not so good musician so I > try to give to the machine as many responsabilities as possible and to avoid > me doing things in real time. But if all is looped, it is quite, circular, > boring. > > What can you suggest me to avoid this, and be able to be more effective in > my learning process rehearsing at home? > > Thanks!!! > > Ser From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 11:27:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A607183492; Fri, 25 Jan 2013 11:27:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=B6sBeUU2OuobzLM4eu2U3srgqQEmPqtuNx4gJeQ6ROs=; b=JSIxorFrrCoGeaP3wVYmVLmyBKuxByQGm4Eun4j32RD+jCnJjst19HiSMx3ethF+hB YiAg50tObvxgGNwvGzkjmM4kXQD9XCGrTReBpqOlJugR4Fkr3XMYKNg4u1YT+56QvzD1 buJA6DibuqEwQ7/jXp0QoRj+fW2PdrszE3ZHfd96Yb9Wcb5w7oqel5iXJJa7HIvMVBYB 0CKc6bqcA5bEAY98rWddYOk4rf4Ykn+IrUDeS2H1w3nJco+OhkWv9Lik4KU6FAoXpxCf e1sQ/KhiU5wLLOKg222nBqmhvAjGBEZmGZfvCwgYRjF40YSIQv4ZV/6N0Dr+27ZWMhPl Pa0Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.21.135 with SMTP id v7mr4206048obe.101.1359113272435; Fri, 25 Jan 2013 03:27:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 12:27:52 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: feedback issue with mics in live performance From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 11:27:53 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 4:02 AM, Ben Walsh wrote: > so i'm trying to loop real drums in my live show, with two mics, and they > are picking up a bunch of feedback and adding it to the loop, so the sound > is quite degraded after 2 or 3 layers. anybody had success dealing with > this issue? or is what i'm trying impossible? i'm not using any monitors > at all. Gate, gate, gate and then gate some more. :-)) I have an extreme supercardioid mic for flute (TC Helicon MP70 and it is quite feedback safe, but you have to make sound very close to it in order to pick up audio well). I also use volume foot switches for mics, but I realize it wouldn't be realistic for you to pump you expression pedal for every sixteenth note played on a drum so this tip may not be relevant. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 22:11:54 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81DD4183492; Fri, 25 Jan 2013 22:11:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com x-originating-ip: 208.109.97.160 Message-ID: <51030324.1040503@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 17:11:48 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #825 for January 24, 2013. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3XrcVB.A.Zz.qMwARB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 22:11:54 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/gt/playlists/2013/130124.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #825 January 24, 2013. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels?playlist_date=01-24-2013 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Mystified. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Life is a Carnival" on Attenuation Circuit Records.http://soundscapes.us/gt/playlists/2013/focus.html#jan PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Arttek The Carpet King Hatchlings (none) Genetique Sensory Green (none) Broken Harbour Between the Darkness The Geometry of Shadows and the Light (Relaxed Machinery) Parallel Worlds and Submerge Morphogenic (DiN) Premonition Factory Suburban Souls The Theory of Nothing (none) VA [Bake Sale] Conquering the Noise Doomsday and Brimstone (Sound of Static Burns for Good) for the Jack Rabbit of the Dust Bowl Part 1 Worlds 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Mystified Life is a Carnival Life is a Carnival (Attenuation Circuit) Mystified Swamp Sonica Life is a Carnival (Attenuation Circuit) Mystified Hohnorable Drone Life is a Carnival (Attenuation Circuit) Mystified Old as Ages Life is a Carnival (Attenuation Circuit) Mystified Counting the Minutes Life is a Carnival (Attenuation Circuit) Craig Padilla and Blue Distance When the Earth Is Far Away Zero Ohms (Lotuspike) Craig Padilla and Dream Travel * When the Earth Is Far Away Zero Ohms (Lotuspike) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Mystified. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Breathe Beyond" on Parkbench Records. WDIY Announcement: http://wdiy.org/post/next-galactic-travels-2013-01-31 Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 25 22:46:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95B0F183492; Fri, 25 Jan 2013 22:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rTxsW0ZW10wX29rMvMxdm4jiEIPOzOmMgwM+witigas=; b=l+h/0ff1nH/+CKOvPVylONODzwjWXI87XkRq+JivJIs3e8ZWl/fEGl4CHC4XmIxVeM j8L6aJ2zgk7bz1nr4UE3+9C/aNlJyhPAu574LXOSRolSf+vRC5OvDjLxivdSsDHjfl0d 3CwOiQT51wJ6fLz/quM2rjXmDLYTUm7TdXjIvDDNy/2mOWbiS7nkxmT9Dr1pK2vk3onM yUDOkf+Z7taudJhPiGDj2qywBb4UgF4ZLdW2Osgorjg0a7COzMn8JgfLk9vCtztWh/P8 GyTRR85g8cxcGewWpblcsWhiBIXreXufJPyMN6ZhnefkLCzO0JiBoZmJH4G7QpSUrfGV rLBQ== X-Received: by 10.14.218.71 with SMTP id j47mr18928384eep.28.1359153987509; Fri, 25 Jan 2013 14:46:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <51030B43.8090700@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 23:46:27 +0100 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Directness in Simplicity References: <510060A7.40104@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <510060A7.40104@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2qkYs.A.EGB.EtwARB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 22:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Am 23.01.2013 23:13, schrieb Rick Walker: > In my own work (and I own an M-9 and use it live) I'm so used to the > architecture > of the LP-1 (and now the LP-2) that I got really into creating > seamless overdubs so that if > I ever UDNO a loop (or five) I am also thinking ahead of the game and > ready to re-record something > quickly. Seriously, Rick, (and that's more of an observation, not some critizism), it seems that you're so much at home in your specific musical approach that you always find ways to make a specific piece of gear suit your needs, rather than build your approach around the specific feature set of some gear. And for that reason, I believe the best looper for you would be the good old trusted Repeater...maybe in a pedal form factor. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 02:43:23 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33B70183490; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 02:43:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=GRbd+M3/bYzLyWS6LnSQUVIrMGAzgXlnxxxh6MnUDGY=; b=F6r7+cVygY9iErCFdEPRphGeZPgdvsjnsrGcvHdOkJJRTA+5NEhAX+YX39ZIfOnZZq t5NYRSbWvMVQpuIMrNN5xBT3QEkPj5/PhlU38xxHZ4ruVWf0jsgeMhpFVizAivLL8ele FqWzaCi3wtdR2OBlrIyCqCVkiEfiBGRS65XzBmEchG1PrcqqNFan8K1MqoOVvbutiW6j eq5fD7TYMARjrRcKncqxn2dprAET6McRahjEBjNuisTnBZ4QtuVYJAcJBaHsPdWs67Ji iuDpIPIHTgF0O7ORZHEvB3OIzefspFHe2gZ1qzz+PaJ1h+cZhp9dE7TPWyZbWs1l+X5Y 9rGw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.27.50 with SMTP id q18mr7400921vdg.20.1359168202310; Fri, 25 Jan 2013 18:43:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 02:43:22 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How to properly train "live" looping at home? From: Akraf Emaho To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307d003ce385e104d4280145 Resent-Message-ID: <82SIlC.A.FsC.LL0ARB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 02:43:23 +0000 (UTC) --20cf307d003ce385e104d4280145 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The above post by Per succinctly captures the traps I've fallen into into unknowingly over the years, and provides a simple solution - it deserves more attention! On 25 January 2013 11:22, Per Boysen wrote: > Some non tech tips: > > A very good thing to learn is to make one loop and then keep changing > it in a way that you create music that evolves in a flow that makes it > interesting to listen to. The shorter the loop the easier it is to > change it quickly enough. Never become boring! Rather make a less > planned quick change than just stay inactive while your music > approaches the dangerous "boring-zone". > > An important aspect is to balance the two musical lines: the line you > are performing with your audio input and the line you are creating in > the looper (partially derived from your audio input). Two lines is > well enough for highly interesting music to occur, you may for example > create a "questions and answers game" between the two lines. Just one > idea, there are several others. Just do not record and keep playing > over the recording, that's a one way ticked to the boredom-zone. > > Try to tell a story with looping instead of building a piece in the looper. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Sergio Girardi > wrote: > > Hello everybody, > > > > I need your feedback and experience, suggestions etc, about something I > am > > seeing in my rehearsals. > > Two things I notice. > > First, it's very difficult for me to create a method for > > learning/rehearsing, and follow it with discipline without falling in the > > temptation of wanting "results". > > So I never understand if I must be creative in my learning process, or > if I > > must be patient and methodic. > > You know, you want to learn guitar or drums, you must accept that you > will > > have to repeat and repeat beats, chords, training, boring things, and if > you > > try immediately just to play things, you will not learn well. > > This is what I was told. > > What do you think? > > In my case, I am learning just the looping itself, and the loopers. I > play > > no instrument, I sing and beatbox, and then use synths. > > > > Second, I notice that when I rehears I tend to search for a "final > result", > > as if I am composing a theme with Cubase, something finished, a > composition > > which must be all there in the looper. And so I lose myself because to do > > this I need lot of tracks and separate loops and patterns and change of > > patterns, or I have something boring and static. > > But at same time this happens while I am supposedly training for live > > looping performances where I will mostly improvise! So this is confusing > me. > > And I guess that this can also be part of why I was so concerned about > the > > undo/redo thing in the Octatrack. I mean, maybe if I just train with the > > intention and attitude of a live improvised music performance, where not > all > > stays in the looper, you just loop some things, and above them you play > real > > time, solo, not looped parts. > > I suppose that this may be happening because I am not so good musician > so I > > try to give to the machine as many responsabilities as possible and to > avoid > > me doing things in real time. But if all is looped, it is quite, > circular, > > boring. > > > > What can you suggest me to avoid this, and be able to be more effective > in > > my learning process rehearsing at home? > > > > Thanks!!! > > > > Ser > > --20cf307d003ce385e104d4280145 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The above post by Per succinctly captures the traps I'= ve fallen into into unknowingly over the years, and provides a simple solut= ion - it deserves more attention!


<= div class=3D"gmail_quote"> On 25 January 2013 11:22, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>= wrote:
Some non tech tips:

A very good thing to learn is to make one loop and then keep changing
it in a way that you create music that evolves in a flow that makes it
interesting to listen to. The shorter the loop the easier it is to
change it quickly enough. Never become boring! Rather make a less
planned quick change than just stay inactive while your music
approaches the dangerous "boring-zone".

An important aspect is to balance the two musical lines: the line you
are performing with your audio input and the line you are creating in
the looper (partially derived from your audio input). Two lines is
well enough for highly interesting music to occur, you may for example
create a "questions and answers game" between the two lines. Just= one
idea, there are several others. Just do not record and keep playing
over the recording, that's a one way ticked to the boredom-zone.

Try to tell a story with looping instead of building a piece in the looper.=

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen


On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Sergio Girardi <simpliflying@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello everybody,
>
> I need your feedback and experience, suggestions etc, about something = I am
> seeing in my rehearsals.
> Two things I notice.
> First, it's very difficult for me to create a method for
> learning/rehearsing, and follow it with discipline without falling in = the
> temptation of wanting "results".
> So I never understand if I must be creative in my learning process, or= if I
> must be patient and methodic.
> You know, you want to learn guitar or drums, you must accept that you = will
> have to repeat and repeat beats, chords, training, boring things, and = if you
> try immediately just to play things, you will not learn well.
> This is what I was told.
> What do you think?
> In my case, I am learning just the looping itself, and the loopers. I = play
> no instrument, I sing and beatbox, and then use synths.
>
> Second, I notice that when I rehears I tend to search for a "fina= l result",
> as if I am composing a theme with Cubase, something finished, a compos= ition
> which must be all there in the looper. And so I lose myself because to= do
> this I need lot of tracks and separate loops and patterns and change o= f
> patterns, or I have something boring and static.
> But at same time this happens while I am supposedly training for live<= br> > looping performances where I will mostly improvise! So this is confusi= ng me.
> And I guess that this can also be part of why I was so concerned about= the
> undo/redo thing in the Octatrack. I mean, maybe if I just train with t= he
> intention and attitude of a live improvised music performance, where n= ot all
> stays in the looper, you just loop some things, and above them you pla= y real
> time, solo, not looped parts.
> I suppose that this may be happening because I am not so good musician= so I
> try to give to the machine as many responsabilities as possible and to= avoid
> me doing things in real time. But if all is looped, it is quite, circu= lar,
> boring.
>
> What can you suggest me to avoid this, and be able to be more effectiv= e in
> my learning process rehearsing at home?
>
> Thanks!!!
>
> Ser


--20cf307d003ce385e104d4280145-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 04:24:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04A86183491; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 04:24:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com x-originating-ip: 208.109.97.160 Message-ID: <51035A85.5060206@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 23:24:37 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Thought Radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 04:24:41 +0000 (UTC) THOUGHT RADIO: http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio ======================================================================= My next stint on Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show, will be Saturday, January 26 at 6 am EST/GMT-5. In Phase One, I will continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I host the show about every other week. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 11:36:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2F80183494; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 11:36:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 828512320/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.21.164/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.21.164 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAMK+A1FYbRWk/2dsb2JhbAANOL56gxEBAQEDAThABgsLIRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBiAWrJpMpjXGDKQObZY1n X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,544,1355097600"; d="scan'208";a="828512320" Message-ID: <5103BFBD.1000106@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 11:36:29 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Directness in Simplicity References: <510060A7.40104@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <510060A7.40104@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 11:36:23 +0000 (UTC) Not sure what I'm saying here is any way relevant to Rick's point, but I thought it was interesting anyway. Rick Walker wrote:( in context of simplicity in looping) > > With the exception of ambient music where lots of smeary layers are a > plus, I think that a lot of > loopers forget that everyone in a sextet has to play commensurately less > and simpler parts > to make an arrangement really powerful than in a duo or trio. > It, of course, is not the only way to go, ...yup, there's a tangential direction to follow The assumption here seems to be that "more loops" means "more loops running at the same time". ...but more loops also means the ability to change direction within a piece by using them in series. (and some kind of Redo allows re-capitulation, often desireable. ....achievable in the top line hardware/software by muting the original loop while either new material is introduced, or while the original loop is being varied/mangled) While numerous artists have demonstrated that using just one groove per piece of music can work very well I don't see that live looping is going anywhere new and exciting as long as that is accepted as a restriction. In UK singles chart music, not usually considered a benchmark of future trends, it's now common to hear rhythmic changes, and even tempo changes within a song. (that "same all the way through" sound is somewhat stuck in that last 20 years of the previous century if I'm not mistaken) The commonest objection from the public against live looping is "once it's started it can't change", ...and nowadays they are becoming accustomed to changes. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 17:49:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B468B183491; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:49:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=lrp4vSZu3p86KsMhU1I8mr0bPZU8WCvQryxI5Vy6/Ro= c=1 sm=2 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=OUXYneDTAAAA:8 a=AoZe86oRNkDWOy4A0YQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=053Au2P4wpAA:10 a=-df_TFkJmtXlWqkn0WAA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=G_JyCFlAUgRewlSV:21 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 64.180.196.102 From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-810740923 Subject: Re: Directness in Simplicity Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 09:49:06 -0800 In-Reply-To: <5103BFBD.1000106@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <510060A7.40104@cruzio.com> <5103BFBD.1000106@tiscali.co.uk> Message-Id: <16AD11CA-9C9B-4736-AEFF-6B2D1F162BB9@glasswing.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:49:22 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-810740923 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Excellent, Andy! richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.goodnaturefarms.com On Jan 26, 2013, at 3:36 AM, andy butler wrote: > Not sure what I'm saying here is any way relevant to Rick's point, > but I thought it was interesting anyway. >=20 > Rick Walker wrote:( in context of simplicity in looping) >> With the exception of ambient music where lots of smeary layers are a = plus, I think that a lot of >> loopers forget that everyone in a sextet has to play commensurately = less and simpler parts >> to make an arrangement really powerful than in a duo or trio. >=20 >> It, of course, is not the only way to go, >=20 > ...yup, there's a tangential direction to follow >=20 > The assumption here seems to be that "more loops" means > "more loops running at the same time". >=20 > ...but more loops also means the ability to change direction > within a piece by using them in series. >=20 > (and some kind of Redo allows re-capitulation, often desireable. > ....achievable in the top line hardware/software by muting > the original loop while either new material is introduced, or > while the original loop is being varied/mangled) >=20 >=20 > While numerous artists have demonstrated that using just one groove > per piece of music can work very well I don't see that live looping > is going anywhere new and exciting as long as that is accepted as a = restriction. >=20 > In UK singles chart music, not usually considered a benchmark of = future trends, > it's now common to hear rhythmic changes, and even tempo changes = within a song. > (that "same all the way through" sound is somewhat stuck in that last = 20 years > of the previous century if I'm not mistaken) >=20 > The commonest objection from the public against live looping is "once = it's started it can't change", > ...and nowadays they are becoming accustomed to changes. >=20 >=20 > andy >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-2-810740923 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
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On Jan 26, 2013, at 3:36 AM, andy butler = wrote:

Not sure what I'm saying here is any way relevant to = Rick's point,
but I thought it was interesting anyway.

Rick = Walker wrote:( in context of simplicity in looping)
With the exception of ambient music where lots of smeary = layers are a plus,   I think that a lot = of
loopers forget that = everyone in a sextet has to play commensurately less and simpler = parts
to make an arrangement = really powerful than in a duo or trio.

It, of course, is not the only way to = go,

...yup, there's a tangential direction to = follow

The assumption here seems to be that "more loops" = means
"more loops running at the same time".

...but more loops = also means the ability to change direction
within a piece by using = them in series.

(and some kind of Redo allows re-capitulation, = often desireable.
....achievable in the top line hardware/software by = muting
the original loop while either new material is introduced, = or
while the original loop is being varied/mangled)


While = numerous artists have demonstrated that using just one groove
per = piece of music can work very well I don't see that live looping
is = going anywhere new and exciting as long as that is accepted as a = restriction.

In UK singles chart music, not usually considered a = benchmark of future trends,
it's now common to hear rhythmic changes, = and even tempo changes within a song.
(that "same all the way = through" sound is somewhat stuck in that last 20 years
of the = previous century if I'm not mistaken)

The commonest objection = from the public against live looping is "once it's started it can't = change",
...and nowadays they are becoming accustomed to = changes.


andy












= --Apple-Mail-2-810740923-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 21:05:16 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6C58183494; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:05:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Subject: Re: How to properly train "live" looping at home? From: Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 13:05:14 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <46360F30-1BA7-4F5E-83B2-38DA1A6C36F2@grubmah.com> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:05:16 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 25, 2013, at 3:22 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Just do not record and keep playing > over the recording, that's a one way ticked to the boredom-zone. Interestingly, I have been doing this more and more over the years and = am in some ways more happy with the results. I guess that means I'm = ceasing to be a looper and I'm just using loops as background texture to = fill out the sound. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 21:13:32 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 430DE183495; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:13:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Subject: Re: Directness in Simplicity From: Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: <5103BFBD.1000106@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 13:13:30 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <16D1730E-1CEB-48F0-A5E0-33991A89EF34@grubmah.com> References: <510060A7.40104@cruzio.com> <5103BFBD.1000106@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:13:32 +0000 (UTC) Before my current trend toward real looping minimalism (i.e., just use = the loop as a background), I was working for a while with a single base = loop that would often see little evolution and a second synchronized = (though possibly longer) loop that would often be set at feedback =3D 0 = so that it just gave me one repeat of what I was playing. For base cycle = loops, if I did evolve them on the EDP, I liked to use NextLoop so that = then I could revert back to the original cycle. This makes the = Revert-to-original feature on the TimeLine look attractive. As I write = this up, I start thinking that it would be interesting to have the = second long delay (more so than loop the way I'm using it) come early in = the signal flow and run through an independent effects chain. That way = the duet I played with myself would be more of a duet. That would take a = looper supporting a 100% wet output. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 21:20:31 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CA45183498; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:20:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=MpBEGN5Aiz2WwsjeQAXjjjD6eogWsCIL9vLmAamZg/0=; b=ePzgTsFYXck2LZygOecl/2ebx0ulXNq02nWlrKuwnlFc/AMnch6ckzJGsr4malYOEd BCLvjp8yx3xFu/dqPKUE8JxkcHy+C2oA47Z929gzYkxEr4VdScShYTuf/8MkmKpgdqp8 FPDOaKbbSW044lXPKqCof5Z9yFHr1LGHy9irz1Jm8uchH23BdJ1F7bXAkMIovnD9VoXL nLlymokWifUF1Jr1HYuDaWZuP7fbcMLG8UvF+t/wOYv/3QP4Zq4AlmbMZ31ounMS9lOF uDSqpXdIGvmTbcU2zsZquQgbV4M/sMCG99EO/YHNEMJuykjkPUDouDeKzKi2FbeNeEs9 yMfw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.171.112 with SMTP id at16mr7608848oec.47.1359235230695; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 13:20:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <46360F30-1BA7-4F5E-83B2-38DA1A6C36F2@grubmah.com> References: <46360F30-1BA7-4F5E-83B2-38DA1A6C36F2@grubmah.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 22:20:30 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How to properly train "live" looping at home? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:20:31 +0000 (UTC) >> Just do not record and keep playing >> over the recording, that's a one way ticked to the boredom-zone. > On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > Interestingly, I have been doing this more and more over the years and am in some ways more happy with the results. I guess that means I'm ceasing to be a looper and I'm just using loops as background texture to fill out the sound. The question was "how to practice looping". There's nothing wrong with your praxis, Marc. Practicing instrument playing with the aid of a looper is just another area (than "practicing looping"). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 26 21:21:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46288183495; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:21:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=PnQiKP3b4GwRRgWqaung/cS19Qda+/opB1U8+8KmHCg=; b=nplbm4zqFBiN/1xnJFvIG2jkiEMZGXA/+Tc/IGB4kpAQaU7LUdEW7jJnlDbh+Q3qy0 trng0SfkX4uVMW+jQ6M8dwunxkOJJ/yeZ5ZTCG6Kbj6TmqC9QSzs+gDiFuDXt/MlIUFu E5fr8n6amlYSyVzgYkyYbjvqRgHSr8K8rPEY0/m1sp08ztRc5JjSyuO5YV1m3FHLJd05 MEvfMFt2uMSX+7Cpj6OmhgYQH0zlf90PL705PinCaqnN+NZ67MsiP2iHQowwoEQexzDW ysSCZBDbW50lrNsd9jb/WH59QsOap7P6rM+ekQijOGB+iT6aQyX9MUfhIxCzI5LoQzWM x2og== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.53.3 with SMTP id x3mr7797157obo.87.1359235287602; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 13:21:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <46360F30-1BA7-4F5E-83B2-38DA1A6C36F2@grubmah.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 22:21:27 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How to properly train "live" looping at home? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:21:28 +0000 (UTC) Oops, sorry for the typo! (too fast, gotta slow down and re-brain a bit here...) On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >>> Just do not record and keep playing >>> over the recording, that's a one way ticked to the boredom-zone. >> > On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: >> Interestingly, I have been doing this more and more over the years and am in some ways more happy with the results. I guess that means I'm ceasing to be a looper and I'm just using loops as background texture to fill out the sound. > > > The question was "how to practice looping". There's nothing wrong with > your praxis, Marc. Practicing instrument playing with the aid of a > looper is just another area (than "practicing looping"). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 01:37:23 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64732183491; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 01:37:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:x-mailer; bh=NSV5luM1OcjqdpjOqjV88lHfdcntiaHHaNKo3hswK3E=; b=KKsZEGhSyARnMWc6nq0QKdrdBD80r3ZwaA0wTSi/635FwccOTbmWroA3NPzVhBWjR7 QgEUAl341denLhKw2RsIGxz3JZkBCEKzD75ca0rS4yHsyuHGxntGV+EFBB5DTp9Ul5Yx xwTFjvI7lmghEHslGT/Wcb+JEF/wf0VlvdkovCmq+fs/QVZ0c4o2HsACXZBSHeGzRLin y6JXvBPy7cAgDdf+aZC7fF1dET3n2G9vF5+CEHil8qXV9Gk/jCz2VdKEPW24nQEl9w5N L0RgViRpMQ158+YCBFOroJS8luokvwQewzyiQVgVhLWO376t0kdbWiSGdfBYLey/NKud cprw== X-Received: by 10.66.76.198 with SMTP id m6mr25144356paw.32.1359250641970; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:37:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <28E8D520-E741-48ED-85C9-A14B7F17BCEB@gmail.com> From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: new video/song Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:37:20 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <4fJ_7B.A.YbE.TTIBRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 01:37:23 +0000 (UTC) Here is a video for a song from a new album I just released. The song is ambient glitch electronica. Music was made using an iPad and Ableton Live. The video is of Coney Island in August 1904. Youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxsc0x7wV6Y or Vimeo https://vimeo.com/58271721 I will get the album up on Bandcamp eventually and announce when that is accomplished. regards BobC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 01:44:20 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D8CF183494; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 01:44:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com x-originating-ip: 208.109.97.160 Message-ID: <5104866F.9050608@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 20:44:15 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Thought Radio Playlist for January 26, 2013. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7JwrvB.A.hkE.0ZIBRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 01:44:20 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio/playlists/2013/130126.html The Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show has alternating hosts. When I am at the helm, the show is called Thought Radio and you can expect to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am EST/GMT-5 on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. http://soundscapes.us/afterglow/index.html Show #242 January 26, 2013. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Twyndyllyngs] Lament for Sandy Doomsday and Brimstone (Sound Hook for Good) VA [Glen Deardorf] Solo Ascent Part 2 Sequences No. 22 Arttek Quiet Spirit Hatchlings (none) Extension Max Corbacho Shoreless Ocean The Ocean Inside (ad21) Glenn Main Floating Ripples (A.D. Music) Glenn Main Outward Bound Ripples (A.D. Music) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Al Gromer Khan] Silent Voice Grace (New Earth) Timothy Wenzel Miles from Nowhere A Coalescence of Dreams (none) Michael Brant Healing Heart The Maiden of Stonehenge (none) DeMaria Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Pinnick Gales Lascivious Pinnick Gales Pridget (Magna Pridget Carta) Pinnick Gales Black Jeans Pinnick Gales Pridget (Magna Pridget Carta) Syzygy Circadian Rhythm A Glorious Disturbance (FHL) Syzygy Strange Loop II A Glorious Disturbance (FHL) Majestic Zosimos Sleeps V.O.Z. (none) Majestic Becoming V.O.Z. (none) VA [Carmine Appice] Perfect Day Tune In To Mind Radio (Surgeland) Alan Morse Cold Fusion * Four O'clock and Hysteria (InsideOut) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDRs that come with each issue of Sequences electronic music magazine. Bill Fox ======================================================================== Host of Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST/GMT-5. Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music. Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Website - http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 07:12:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A135183495; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 07:12:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5104D36D.8070606@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:12:45 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RP Collier , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: new video/song References: <28E8D520-E741-48ED-85C9-A14B7F17BCEB@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <28E8D520-E741-48ED-85C9-A14B7F17BCEB@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1PTlm.A.dxG.kNNBRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 07:12:36 +0000 (UTC) Beautiful and very evocative. I love the mixture of the music and the video. Nice work, Bob. yours, Rick On 1/26/2013 5:37 PM, RP Collier wrote: > Here is a video for a song from a new album I just released. > The song is ambient glitch electronica. > Music was made using an iPad and Ableton Live. > The video is of Coney Island in August 1904. > > > Youtube > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxsc0x7wV6Y > > or > > Vimeo > https://vimeo.com/58271721 > > > I will get the album up on Bandcamp eventually and announce when that > is accomplished. > > > regards > > BobC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 07:28:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D4B6183491; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 07:28:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1359271681; bh=CJVbMHXUH1bTAAR4C+1altOcQvcK9t6ScZL1HKd5uLA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer; b=ueorQTDSBt+fshDnXUGRwm4YCo/aVXZmsyDjVDogfsA+6mUKkydIoRXNoTcUZazM2etIzMiJneI2Meze8bEay8q04GrC8W5QOx4veJUVfm2aNiPQk2nrsgcn1q3VQymPUBbvI2ynnbNvhzUyerA22hDVB04757PzcjCxjzGNg6c= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 212934.45193.bm@smtp101.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: upNnIdYVM1n_8MmZdavrCk1grqT13pnMmPlYC7URplOCUJe vcV58tVfsK24dAw642pQr_.OGVrbjCGCCLx3dK90mWOB3eLBndV.kQ7bkwhz lE1dKmi4iFYytYUD.KfQ.BPK0Nse6MP5dC78_3MwS7Cqh0fzmKEJkVwewD7t 3AOsGsObSrrz_GmwCu8bWwFfCdAAysLADAaraz1XslK7hkFhCuKQsdbBaXyi UtJSW0EngJN3u7r.kAMg3dvws9TU4AxtKMS9naIjgPly9MOweXQPbXaLJGTW ChNQpiLYO9G7H0ggwEoGst4mKMV2GWHLsC_8ciMj1VCtJbulr4B45CNBlEvR _ujmt_lUTjISBafwCMlNMqqb2agD9GSr2vFtK7jCN21GDQkPJupwvxkC3zkT REYxCqKgjr1J7D6UzNo0yQ_NLCpluzplUhSdi7McsDxOUNHXRCdSx3XQiaSV QbTHYGjo80_54WOsT1ZSCZuSz6VWmE1JMiTqvd9CHEjQJJ9wWDm8kF1ZM7b4 7T1XxELKw8JV1FH3wAsY2YvaPsbVC39sCjx7i3qHbOQf4dx.D9RB_vqBigM8 FMP42H9EKaXdFoO.vNpVp6V7e532B.cqTyNpTm9E- X-Yahoo-SMTP: ILs26NSswBDuK82.iJb8TCN7cubm0SmUbZYidhSBIQ-- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Subject: Re: new video/song From: Laurie Amat In-Reply-To: <5104D36D.8070606@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:28:00 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5050F7D5-7143-4ACF-8AE4-B5726F99D0E4@att.net> References: <28E8D520-E741-48ED-85C9-A14B7F17BCEB@gmail.com> <5104D36D.8070606@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 07:28:02 +0000 (UTC) Such a beautiful work. It all felt so real.=20 Thank you. On Jan 26, 2013, at 11:12 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Beautiful and very evocative. > I love the mixture of the music and the video. >=20 > Nice work, Bob. >=20 > yours, Rick >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 1/26/2013 5:37 PM, RP Collier wrote: >> Here is a video for a song from a new album I just released. >> The song is ambient glitch electronica. >> Music was made using an iPad and Ableton Live. >> The video is of Coney Island in August 1904. >>=20 >>=20 >> Youtube >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DOxsc0x7wV6Y >>=20 >> or >>=20 >> Vimeo >> https://vimeo.com/58271721 >>=20 >>=20 >> I will get the album up on Bandcamp eventually and announce when that = is accomplished. >>=20 >>=20 >> regards >>=20 >> BobC >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 08:02:32 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A64CD183496; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 08:02:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5104DF23.8090701@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 00:02:43 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ben Walsh , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: feedback issue with mics in live performance References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2GBjf.A.cNH.Y8NBRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 08:02:32 +0000 (UTC) On 1/24/2013 7:02 PM, Ben Walsh wrote: > hello everyone! so nice to find a community of like-minded cats. > > so i'm trying to loop real drums in my live show, with two mics, and > they are picking up a bunch of feedback and adding it to the loop, so > the sound is quite degraded after 2 or 3 layers. anybody had success > dealing with this issue? or is what i'm trying impossible? i'm not > using any monitors at all. > > thanks! > ben I, too, am a looping drummer/percussionist/multi-instrumentalist who has had problems with live microphones onstage. For many, many years I resisted the urge to invest in "IN-EAR" monitors with a wireless system. It's a somewhat expensive solution, (around $500-$600 for a decent set up) so I always balked at getting into it to save money. Anyway, I finally broke down and bought a system and it changed my life onstage. There's no monitoring so there is no feedback unless the PA is ludicrously loud. Additionally, I can completely control my own monitoring volume without disturbing other musicians on stage when I'm playing with other people. Finally, I can set up my entire rig and a festival gig and be soundchecking while another act is on stage. This has radically lowered my anxiety about being able to get onto stage quickly and get a decent monitoring set up. I cannot more highly recommend it, and honestly, if you want high quality micing solutions (I even use hyper cartioid AKG C1000s condenser mics on stage) this is the only way to go. If you need more advice, I've learned a few things about what to buy if cost is a factor. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 09:14:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0E10183495; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 09:14:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=tEH8HeqGPwMeCoFa9WsXRpf2Hyy/rGJLypLT2cxrTRU=; b=FQiAZeUTBIWtCjmI4op0auWNrffpEA8FfeDIq6h/9dB30rcmru2ZmCr6U28Q5W7Jy+ pGaPip9LYxPmUDUqTmzNzlePHgIWZ3HQ8qK/BTLE1gKypH9mjCOvqDrr9sB5380JzLoa CuXb+DFDKss563s5MELsEJRSHdc55v+E1MERh7cp0IZA/SZ9ZVz9WUY5G05NRsCAiX6N jhREcrVOZO/gGnsF75Jw4E4h+Lt1lwq1UlmGprqW1TgSSzZCT9fqIDm2Oex8bt/jxYdx XxLuSoUE+FOR6vHeTdTbe2GviK/jNwJd0oIaPxeW1PlC5+A8VTCqq1eQcSkC3IFGxs+3 pMmA== X-Received: by 10.68.134.232 with SMTP id pn8mr27999798pbb.47.1359278095497; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 01:14:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <28E8D520-E741-48ED-85C9-A14B7F17BCEB@gmail.com> References: <28E8D520-E741-48ED-85C9-A14B7F17BCEB@gmail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 10:14:35 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: pMWawDpquHie8GHh4CB0Qe-h9Qs Message-ID: Subject: Re: new video/song To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b10c8610879fe04d4419864 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 09:14:56 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b10c8610879fe04d4419864 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 As a huge fan of archive and diary movies, I applaud this. I also liked the cut up audio glitches.. can we have a little nerd info on the musical set-up please? MArk On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 2:37 AM, RP Collier wrote: > > Here is a video for a song from a new album I just released. > The song is ambient glitch electronica. > Music was made using an iPad and Ableton Live. > The video is of Coney Island in August 1904. > > > Youtube > http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=Oxsc0x7wV6Y > > or > > Vimeo > https://vimeo.com/58271721 > > > I will get the album up on Bandcamp eventually and announce when that is > accomplished. > > > regards > > BobC > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b10c8610879fe04d4419864 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As a huge fan of archive and diary movies, I=A0applaud=A0t= his. I also liked the cut up audio glitches.. can we have a little nerd inf= o on the musical set-up please?

MArk


On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 2:37 AM, RP Coll= ier <skeptikalist@gmail.com> wrote:

Here is a video for a song from a new album I just released.
The song is ambient glitch electronica.
Music was made using an iPad and Ableton Live.
The video is of Coney Island in August 1904.


Youtube
= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DOxsc0x7wV6Y

or

Vimeo
https://vimeo.com/= 58271721


I will get the album up on Bandcamp eventually and announce when that is ac= complished.


regards

BobC




--
M= ark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font> --047d7b10c8610879fe04d4419864-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 16:14:52 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26CCF183494; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 16:14:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :mime-version:subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=5Lk0RYUp50G6vPTPbe05r5MyiKO18JJBXlD+korNFgU=; b=viP5it29I4qvXC8TguDEFichMiuDr1s0ipN40csL9lMTRKa+WTR+UgX1pSRYuvfFuv 6gA38xnoj6AEQKp7J/rTNpGKXierSPq0Ds8gjdnX7mVRoONDOAu+YuyJbFBt353/YxZ4 qG8zh09xoGoSHy5odCbJq40B6jBaTUD06XZXuaEKwNbS3e3LpeXpavV9F4g7KQ9bges9 +KCxndAmB3hR/lIm3qlqY8fLIFit2iiS9gRlR5blKhUlXOVNRinCvGGyfffvN356Xs17 hMOiWUGT8j6Op1s6trnzRr9JKsWc+is57s21bO15HsgV7j8/cgT2c2okdNxgcftNLYr0 kXjg== X-Received: by 10.68.237.135 with SMTP id vc7mr30787669pbc.2.1359303290840; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 08:14:50 -0800 (PST) Cc: Rick Walker Message-Id: <96878867-BA50-4930-B232-B3EA941C91BF@gmail.com> From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5104D36D.8070606@cruzio.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-891482926 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: new video/song Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 08:14:48 -0800 References: <28E8D520-E741-48ED-85C9-A14B7F17BCEB@gmail.com> <5104D36D.8070606@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 16:14:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-891482926 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 26, 2013, at 11:12 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Beautiful and very evocative. > I love the mixture of the music and the video. Thank you sir! And thanks for taking the time to listen. I love your Challenge video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iApedAzjwiU regards BobC --Apple-Mail-2-891482926 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Jan 26, 2013, = at 11:12 PM, Rick Walker wrote:

Beautiful and = very evocative.
I love the mixture of the music and the = video.


Thank you = sir!
And thanks for taking the time to = listen.

I love your Challenge = video

regards
BobC
= --Apple-Mail-2-891482926-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 16:15:43 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67B2E183499; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 16:15:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=MVJHJc50DA5gIcnuw9HVqFQ7V4jKArHL19/15wnXNUg=; b=Ckcxz62rNp/fmfFFk1ArJ7rc5+iv+ZJt0C3i4ISDQlVcd7oLxWrq40/Mjkhi4QkCkw i81YV63D3efytVbuFktkb52kzGtDzzyBgEAcp3x3j8RQ9yjcSO7x6WrWs4MuCQDu1bV9 4x1FrbET+eVNCddAh+A1nD2zSCvo5V7ChObwZAlikKxbiHKOZVbSwkYoK+Somj0XHN64 DWz+PmDjgEMx7ljif6d19RRPw0E89brSSwYyPr6CzTJPzzoanVNsQnNylBJbq0JfwJ6t yOCkQITNanf3uYqRfSScpSNBDAwZIT1P95DHzOYRlyzy/ozYUU8XuI4WQjPUuWxSeV3f NFkA== X-Received: by 10.68.236.2 with SMTP id uq2mr30450122pbc.55.1359303342614; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 08:15:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <69852146-91A4-4253-A3D2-16BAE2C779ED@gmail.com> From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5050F7D5-7143-4ACF-8AE4-B5726F99D0E4@att.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-891535655 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: new video/song Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 08:15:41 -0800 References: <28E8D520-E741-48ED-85C9-A14B7F17BCEB@gmail.com> <5104D36D.8070606@cruzio.com> <5050F7D5-7143-4ACF-8AE4-B5726F99D0E4@att.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 16:15:43 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-891535655 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 26, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Laurie Amat wrote: > Such a beautiful work. It all felt so real. Thanks for having a listen! cheers BobC --Apple-Mail-3-891535655 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Jan 26, 2013, = at 11:28 PM, Laurie Amat wrote:

Such a = beautiful work. It all felt so real. 
Thanks for having a = listen!


cheers

BobC
= --Apple-Mail-3-891535655-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 16:39:52 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83911183496; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 16:39:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=9aFYRWZN8A1pso4nicm3BvCE8neHw/eZGWrjKRu7DPQ=; b=ENmxkBcS5eHOHwTv4HH2f5VWZ5uSDb+qLTmqEzqbNM6cL4NW55MAVCLQiEWsUA1cy7 TGxLXRTpWVLOltCw5+5/ghvZntQIPApPuodrUbPsyosj1+m9jKMti7NFWyjUoMqWH03/ 80EHqAId2iUZOaVjVl46AW+wHv7m6f/ZVjk/AYlIRzUQzFx4YRcPidYa0TxrXpJFTHvG lMOvKU5KfNnf7GPNPssHj8dZOf7kBWAq1jf9s/FVzA0FX312CUNkk0VhoEKnB1wq8aBV ZpOcZPPVGgtTbD1xO0Vu2G5+FEfHw9p/ft+aRVaHoHBoslsI2ZDIq3eb+tn/XGu/K221 +6JQ== X-Received: by 10.68.248.70 with SMTP id yk6mr30598418pbc.160.1359304791423; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 08:39:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-892983052 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: new video/song Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 08:39:48 -0800 References: <28E8D520-E741-48ED-85C9-A14B7F17BCEB@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 16:39:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-892983052 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 27, 2013, at 1:14 AM, mark francombe wrote: > can we have a little nerd info on the musical set-up please? Sure. The instrument is an Alchemy synth preset on the iPad that is being played using the little Korg Nano-Key keyboard. The input is going into Ableton Live and recorded. The original piece is about 2 minutes long. Then in Live, I am using the delay plugin Replicant, the Crossfade Synth plugin and Pluggo's Slice-n-Dice as well as multiple instances of Ableton delays and beat repeats in various combinations. I created about 8 versions of the 2 minute piece, selected portions and melded them together in the audio editor Bias Peak. In some of the versions there was serious extensive popping/clipping caused by the software that I decided to edit out. Quite a significant amount of time was needed to smooth some of the events out. The video clip is not really edited at all. The original clip was a bit over 4 minutes and I slowed the speed down to about 47% making the clip a bit over 8 minutes long so that it fit the audio time. Any apparent syncing of audio to image is by chance. Thanks for listening! BobC --Apple-Mail-4-892983052 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Jan 27, 2013, = at 1:14 AM, mark francombe wrote:

 can we have a little nerd = info on the musical set-up = please?


Sure.
<= br>
The instrument is an Alchemy synth preset on the iPad that = is being played using the little Korg Nano-Key keyboard.
The = input is going into Ableton Live and recorded. The original piece is = about 2 minutes long.

Then in Live, I am using = the delay plugin Replicant, the Crossfade Synth plugin and Pluggo's = Slice-n-Dice as well as multiple instances of Ableton delays and beat = repeats in various combinations.
I created about 8 versions of = the 2 minute piece, selected portions and melded them together in the = audio editor Bias Peak.
In some of the versions there was = serious extensive popping/clipping caused by the software that I decided = to edit out. Quite a significant amount of time was needed to smooth = some of the events out.

The video clip is not = really edited at all. The original clip was a bit over 4 minutes and I = slowed the speed down to about 47% making the clip a bit over 8 minutes = long so that it fit the audio time. Any apparent syncing of audio to = image is by chance.

Thanks for = listening!

BobC


= --Apple-Mail-4-892983052-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 18:53:21 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E27D183494; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:53:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=r2PyR2hKkZx69YS33PbBGskse/ifZbrCw9TeJQ4nMDY=; b=KCN5EO7qdoYJlmpG+ZYtf4haxPMjjtr0y7OQG2GI8Lgq5KWh1CSWgF6MNdc3ms56Km VBiPT9lSCiyUpaVeAv9yYJ5f2n40HJDHQQM8wvl54MZbgXIaf0adEbHuck3a763NxwCq AOsq0/elrQoSkXGQByU+MYgFsE1Dp655M18SF4T1q/yT1t0tIb1DStSfobA5LFh8Qb+H NDwRr4+GGNS8IOuJLSyxGNIyc8/oJhI+Mox5z/VpXMeyBPI82HJX9p24ljjd144t4jPL BzeIb5+UBAqv7R0Kn+1+yKU5HPBmKDiT1TgzAWEvhwxy66knAfZvCDk60CUN8WwTNVPI EhWA== X-Received: by 10.194.85.234 with SMTP id k10mr17342174wjz.53.1359312800194; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 10:53:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <5104DF23.8090701@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <5104DF23.8090701@cruzio.com> Subject: Re: feedback issue with mics in live performance Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 11:53:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:53:21 +0000 (UTC) I second Rick's recommendation on in-ear monitors. And, I highly recommend the Westone. These guys make some amazing systems, and have for years. http://www.westone.com/music/ I decided to just get their top of the line monitor, the ES5, which is custom fit to your ear, 8hz to 20kHz frequency range, 5 drivers, 3-way cross-over....just amazing in sound. I figured the investment was worth it considering how much time I listen to music, either on state, at home through my mac, etc. But they have some less expensive custom in-ear systems, like the AC1 and AC2 that are good too. For my band, I also bought this Prosonus headphone amp/distribution system, which is pretty cool. Each person can have an A/B mix, and an external mix of their own instrument. Kris -----Original Message----- I, too, am a looping drummer/percussionist/multi-instrumentalist who has had problems with live microphones onstage. For many, many years I resisted the urge to invest in "IN-EAR" monitors with a wireless system. It's a somewhat expensive solution, (around $500-$600 for a decent set up) so I always balked at getting into it to save money. Anyway, I finally broke down and bought a system and it changed my life onstage. There's no monitoring so there is no feedback unless the PA is ludicrously loud. Additionally, I can completely control my own monitoring volume without disturbing other musicians on stage when I'm playing with other people. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 18:57:57 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31381183496; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:57:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=S5AWbLXiDe8X86xtqXIVPS9n+LcV1YWWoAWI3dObesM=; b=KUo39QOiPjMNQntKCNSV3A9FChgRHKytKOELZ8uqf3ow+yhnBVUKoVuSuVVjEcrNDU 2r136hiT2Un2uw4IpIDV8odKFqmYi2/O2d/hrbsrZWEuY3biYdc8gQSA5dpuGPceSCDy cl8fDZ9q+Po1/gKlSGBegyP29eueD6ppCYVxCOMV5RyIyvAC+880kLeU8jZadLFOyMOk hywg9UIn/guiXp2MFkx7EPF9jx+KdIMTkZ3Nibg93iYLUvgAt/fmvKIaye2KKa+x8a44 ghtgLmLAS45CyvN76xwLdmVyCtihjhz4D0kqUglc3HlBbsxzZlpgPSx4DLZFNqNrD30H m7FQ== X-Received: by 10.14.209.198 with SMTP id s46mr18023120eeo.19.1359313075824; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 10:57:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Re: feedback issue with mics in live performance Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 11:57:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: <6ks4cC.A.ZqD.1iXBRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:57:57 +0000 (UTC) another reason why I only use in-ear monitors on stage is that I find that most stage monitors at clubs and venues totally suck and are inconsistent. I am playing EDM stuff, which delivers some serious low end on the synth bass and kick, and I have yet to find an onstage monitoring system that can do justice to the mix...it just ends up sounding like shit and ruining the whole live performance experience. So, all of us in the band use in-ear systems, and the crowd gets this massive sound coming out of multiple 15-18 inch subs, etc. And the cool thing is that even with the sound isolating in-ear monitors, you can feel the bass in your body through the mains....it is a nice effect. -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung I second Rick's recommendation on in-ear monitors. And, I highly recommend the Westone. These guys make some amazing systems, and have for years. http://www.westone.com/music/ I decided to just get their top of the line monitor, the ES5, which is custom fit to your ear, 8hz to 20kHz frequency range, 5 drivers, 3-way cross-over....just amazing in sound. I figured the investment was worth it considering how much time I listen to music, either on state, at home through my mac, etc. But they have some less expensive custom in-ear systems, like the AC1 and AC2 that are good too. For my band, I also bought this Prosonus headphone amp/distribution system, which is pretty cool. Each person can have an A/B mix, and an external mix of their own instrument. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 19:00:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B9C018349B; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:00:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=K7nLVCu9rQCNb5jimQ5xkWI1oTO1jRnXIYpRHa0BdbU=; b=g8mSb02SrUPdw/IR2pfdIxYzSznGMnfKjykpBBu7yVV6jOH6JPtL5u0gAGNjstcvdv D8CstYesNpe7EiJ5S3wI0WRTff8EkCRuTvJuJnzQgn5I7Lp2cEluOtAkfVjxHsbSJWnp llA+zEftoXiWeUrcERT1znDIwDhU7hCW1hn3s1k11i6W9fJZaWElUpRNVGV0yjfsBkbO tTduX39g/hwtU8GYDfr6oiGHWYP3Mg40UUNGjFqNUSQG/rjTMzroD4K94hGjI8wSylCs P0ioBiVhWn8NmygjeKjNNXv9CN+diqJkRNr4EEvKMtJrS79UxC6AfT3sazGdzRNLGuCd EumQ== X-Received: by 10.66.82.67 with SMTP id g3mr30097994pay.58.1359313250276; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 11:00:50 -0800 (PST) References: From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 20:00:44 +0100 Message-ID: <-1990620259894250074@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: feedback issue with mics in live performance To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:00:51 +0000 (UTC) On 27 Jan 2013, at 19:57, Kris Hartung wrote: > I am playing EDM stuff, What??? I wanna hear Kris!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 22:26:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FA8E183497; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 22:26:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=aieotmhgtMOIYKgaR27NMYTTvlWQjifiy4hSObT6mpI=; b=a8x2pgFdJIo8JgKXbX09Es1hMj+P9cqZgIv4vCaZpwKVcYPrBK/PtnW8E3ILtHs/i/ MUAcBr8pHfISsDemsjRIYrC5IR6OZfI0bfZjwPCt6HQSOXTDIDqrrYNb1LNleCHKaQG1 E37OaP0UPc7JCKf8j/KPL8CI1KYu3u4FLRur0QbjUYYxLkk2EhHvAnP1GGkUmPPQlmWf AZSNCLv0iXHcRxDR/e3SYEHPPx6JIiqwsg3ytDY+JJrJOVd2xryo9ufOLy+eJSuv8pNY VriU3jOqQ0V/K7pUT0cGA9U8fxQlrzKb0/BeOO70QiFzX8X+hwAwGwgoiCvM3YkcNRBb lU3A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.78.168 with SMTP id c8mr9710171obx.30.1359325561555; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 14:26:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 14:26:01 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: OT Data Recovery From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <1g2nlB.A.vIF.6laBRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 22:26:02 +0000 (UTC) Hello brilliant people of LD, I know this is a long shot but i bet most of you have encountered something of this sort in the past. I have a 2 TB harddrive that was pre-formatted for MAC and Windows storage (no individual file could be over 4 GB) and all was good in the world. Yesterday, with no real warning at all my Macbook told me it had errors and I couldn't copy to it or from it. Connected it to a WIndows machine, it asked if I wanted to scan and fix errors, I said yes, it did its thing and now it isn't recognized as being formatted. Any comments (other than backup your backups) or suggestions on how to recover this? All this and Monday coming... Thanks as always, Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 22:33:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0815183498; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 22:33:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: OT Data Recovery Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 17:33:48 -0500 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: <8jXWHD.A.ERF.AtaBRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 22:33:36 +0000 (UTC) What kind of drive is it? WD? They have a data recovery disc I believe... -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Cheli-Colando Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 5:26 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT Data Recovery Hello brilliant people of LD, I know this is a long shot but i bet most of you have encountered something of this sort in the past. I have a 2 TB harddrive that was pre-formatted for MAC and Windows storage (no individual file could be over 4 GB) and all was good in the world. Yesterday, with no real warning at all my Macbook told me it had errors and I couldn't copy to it or from it. Connected it to a WIndows machine, it asked if I wanted to scan and fix errors, I said yes, it did its thing and now it isn't recognized as being formatted. Any comments (other than backup your backups) or suggestions on how to recover this? All this and Monday coming... Thanks as always, Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 23:24:37 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9904F183497; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 23:24:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=jvNV5r29qQqaCsbhebpGnRsYykzNfY2o9stG2lSooMI=; b=NSWtFOysU0z31wrveX3/8nN7QjtrTMiPijTR7kO/1gNlsf51kygDOHiPl14gxxczPR 2pNl1J+2xvOyOoIb5cmIjVqC/4MBSb7Rfj/Diw8oydFlMTKaWmtNWxOOGzs/aZzzOphz eFwNxuBApkmEfzIDlc5ZyNE72YH0yetSwHPIuLVvFtxfb1HP+tvjh2l69lHTThVA/9VL klHWGk6wthFiAVIE8Ry0tE8qMompEzMtMCk/jhWloUyiXkTACy9UzbTrSjVmH5UHfqw6 XeRZqPcOXB8O2gKB8ldq6o3QLhIUVJc09X8DwbZw1kdsSd0xwvV3RIs+HIj18cUhcBhj pOJw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.29.193 with SMTP id m1mr9521445oeh.36.1359329076921; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 15:24:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 15:24:36 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT Data Recovery From: Art Simon To: Stephen Goodman Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff242a1c3463204d44d76f6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 23:24:37 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8ff242a1c3463204d44d76f6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 There are several free data recovery software programs out there. I've actually had very good luck with them the few times I've needed it. I can't remember the particular version I used, but a search on downloads.comturned up this: http://download.cnet.com/File-Scavenger-Data-Recovery-Utility/3000-2094_4-10028488.html If that one doesn't work, try a few more. Hopefully you will be pleasantly surprised. On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > What kind of drive is it? WD? They have a data recovery disc I believe... > > -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Cheli-Colando Sent: Sunday, January > 27, 2013 5:26 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-**delight.comSubject: OT Data Recovery > Hello brilliant people of LD, > > I know this is a long shot but i bet most of you have encountered > something of this sort in the past. > > I have a 2 TB harddrive that was pre-formatted for MAC and Windows > storage (no individual file could be over 4 GB) and all was good in > the world. > > Yesterday, with no real warning at all my Macbook told me it had > errors and I couldn't copy to it or from it. Connected it to a > WIndows machine, it asked if I wanted to scan and fix errors, I said > yes, it did its thing and now it isn't recognized as being formatted. > > Any comments (other than backup your backups) or suggestions on how to > recover this? > > All this and Monday coming... > > Thanks as always, > > Kevin > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com --e89a8ff242a1c3463204d44d76f6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There are several free data recovery software programs out there. I've = actually had very good luck with them the few times I've needed it. I c= an't remember the particular version I used, but a search on downloads.com turned up this:

If that = one doesn't work, try a few more. Hopefully you will be=A0pleasantly=A0= surprised.


On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 2:33 PM, St= ephen Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:
What kind of drive is it? WD? =A0They have a data recovery disc I believe..= .

-----Original Message----- From: Kevin Cheli-Colando Sent: Sunday, January = 27, 2013 5:26 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: = OT Data Recovery
Hello brilliant people of LD,

I know this is a long shot but i bet most of you have encountered
something of this sort in the past.

I have a 2 TB harddrive that was pre-formatted for MAC and Windows
storage (no individual file could be over 4 GB) and all was good in
the world.

Yesterday, with no real warning at all my Macbook told me it had
errors and I couldn't copy to it or from it. =A0Connected it to a
WIndows machine, it asked if I wanted to scan and fix errors, I said
yes, it did its thing and now it isn't recognized as being formatted.
Any comments (other than backup your backups) or suggestions on how to
recover this?

All this and Monday coming...

Thanks as always,

Kevin

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Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.<= br>
- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)




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--e89a8ff242a1c3463204d44d76f6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 27 23:41:20 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FE99183495; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 23:41:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=tLiij5kZa02XTDJMuGr22qLhuSf4BM0S36Z++LzAtW0=; b=a1Mc4ZJeTkGacAYYIssxNGDJm3Nelu6pVaHW1XKMF6b9fNJKZpzzSv+72sJ7PhImk0 lUNbnxq6ey3UVo99OokaUtixytRkGuuUVOLDvhQYRZ5wXQp9tM7Qh//pL3mgWjxRIFXy eqket65FXPCv9sjWe35tGvTkq+3DgEJiqC5Q+RrRNdGaUcpzrLWF15CLcaUu/YrR8zRq AfFKDemtPKmD4sFzX86LkpKWSiL+jPKqadrUvlyry1UI59iAtLHMmYXu6cZueXOh7ynX Y8CxDhTCDUGOwePqSPPTvjCEH7Pz21ORTZ5Su8D2GUSNjPTs7PpHrjDE/QNelIYTqb29 M6NA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.14.223.135 with SMTP id v7mr45180008eep.41.1359330078942; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 15:41:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:41:18 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: TouchOSC/Mobius From: Jim Goodin To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b66fa1b7ce52d04d44db263 Resent-Message-ID: <_bLXH.A.r7F.gsbBRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 23:41:20 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b66fa1b7ce52d04d44db263 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone set up TouchOSC on the iPad with Mobius? Possibly have a video sharing their experience on YoutTube? I'm digging through the documentation on OSC on the Circular site but looking for add'l input. Thanks. Jim --=20 --=20 *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism' *The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music* - 'Organically inspired New Music' *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit *JDRF International * *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. --047d7b66fa1b7ce52d04d44db263 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone set up TouchOSC on the iPad with Mobius? =A0Possibly have a vide= o sharing their experience on YoutTube?

I'm digging = through the documentation on OSC on the Circular site but looking for add&#= 39;l input.

Thanks.

Jim
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From Brooklyn To Gl= indran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter = Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF International

Tips Across the Waters, a= new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.
--047d7b66fa1b7ce52d04d44db263-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 02:53:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30476183497; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 02:53:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+UWBcbJOsFi6UhZ4jnJhYyknXRiEvD8W+7c0zaI6pbg=; b=eDeAUKHCiXA8AFZxqk+j86uXiC0foocOPc/8CWHii/0r/ZAsoOjuMMxsw+umlkU3Hb H/3j/8omM5PKIWS5NVGfFz3dPgA+376T6nupsYBzm6g8PYkX0Qd3MS3aWpGaRzKKS259 YhxrghHaRKHAcNb4kZmegnxB9lAttCJDBXHEfteFRnR+rbL81H2a1m49grHPzwzAbyog ew0aGxxNSAzpNIH8F8NVvowQoeW8AKx6hbVn6Wlwo1poMRPIeX+JnTJ/ISr4Kt6COf3x fDq738Rhe7RpjRNdoKEhAtOx+jQu1fe6JXhtZz7NHIj7VyXODcO8dpR6uReSy7S4b0iI Trew== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.75.226 with SMTP id f2mr16577848qew.43.1359341582524; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:53:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 21:53:02 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC/Mobius From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bdcab52279fe004d4506021 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 02:53:03 +0000 (UTC) --047d7bdcab52279fe004d4506021 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jim, Here's a link to a quick touchOSC template I made to get you started: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bw0CCv3EdFwZTmkxQ3hSS3BKYUE/edit Sylvain On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Jim Goodin wrote= : > Has anyone set up TouchOSC on the iPad with Mobius? Possibly have a vide= o > sharing their experience on YoutTube? > > I'm digging through the documentation on OSC on the Circular site but > looking for add'l input. > > Thanks. > > Jim > > -- > -- > *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, > color blue, repetitive minimalism' > > *The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music* - > 'Organically inspired New Music' > > *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a > new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds fr= om > this CD will benefit *JDRF International * > > *Tips Across the Waters > *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. > --047d7bdcab52279fe004d4506021 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jim,=A0
Here's a link to a quick touchOSC= template I made to get you started:=A0https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bw= 0CCv3EdFwZTmkxQ3hSS3BKYUE/edit

Sylvain


On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Jim = Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
Has anyone set up TouchOSC on the iPad with = Mobius? =A0Possibly have a video sharing their experience on YoutTube?
=
I'm digging through the documentation on OSC on the Circular= site but looking for add'l input.

Thanks.

Jim

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--=
jimgoodi= n.com - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive m= inimalism'
=A0
The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music=A0- 'Org= anically inspired New Music'
=A0
From Brooklyn To Gl= indran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter = Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF International

Tips Across the Waters, a= new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

--047d7bdcab52279fe004d4506021-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 03:16:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3A2C183497; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 03:16:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=w9Wwzs/rCDuJEgfUYzxwaPrBLaSusqdv0mwrV4PRqLA=; b=nbk8dpHwY03urmP8SMTHzfPyQXLmBlTtIHH7rX/7L824ajbtWBGCx6PI2mFamWWdh6 Q/9F4ZA1zKEH/x9cA2lc52SZkwyXt9saFW3nE8EXldsUWOf69TrbIuQiUk5hbUKN2+a6 CpkCdshKeGtMnn+2CgHkMsrQK8b8Ezx0eiBB0/O6UGeYGp8NtG4EjgNPhCufChhe6bnZ e8gd++sWbQhASheGF0MBDHyRyAxMhn3BEDZ3ZN44yO4O2kqmqEwmFNvMKxSiPw6uNh6L s5WLmgmD/HZKCLYfmS453gS4Bgk0UvPBHCbG5Nm0oP8dGPtnJFV3Z8RYuain6ANGCBZs YW6g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.14.178.196 with SMTP id f44mr47132755eem.14.1359342972916; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:16:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 22:16:12 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC/Mobius From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6225200752f504d450b3a3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 03:16:13 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b6225200752f504d450b3a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sylvain thanks very much. I have since tapped in to what I think I need to alter in the xml file but I'm sure this will help. Sending you a note off-list. Jim On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 9:53 PM, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > Hi Jim, > Here's a link to a quick touchOSC template I made to get you started: > https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bw0CCv3EdFwZTmkxQ3hSS3BKYUE/edit > > Sylvain > > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Jim Goodin wro= te: > >> Has anyone set up TouchOSC on the iPad with Mobius? Possibly have a >> video sharing their experience on YoutTube? >> >> I'm digging through the documentation on OSC on the Circular site but >> looking for add'l input. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Jim >> >> -- >> -- >> *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, >> color blue, repetitive minimalism' >> >> *The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music* - >> 'Organically inspired New Music' >> >> *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a >> new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds f= rom >> this CD will benefit *JDRF International * >> >> *Tips Across the Waters >> *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. >> > > --=20 --=20 *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism' *The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music* - 'Organically inspired New Music' *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit *JDRF International * *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. --047d7b6225200752f504d450b3a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sylvain thanks very much. =A0I have since tapped in to what I think I need = to alter in the xml file but I'm sure this will help. =A0Sending you a = note off-list. =A0Jim

On Sun, Jan 27, 201= 3 at 9:53 PM, Sylvain Poitras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com>= wrote:
Hi Jim,=A0
Here's a= link to a quick touchOSC template I made to get you started:=A0https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bw0CCv3EdFwZTmkxQ3hSS3BKYUE/edit

Sylvain
=


On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gm= ail.com> wrote:
Has anyone set up TouchOSC on the iPad with = Mobius? =A0Possibly have a video sharing their experience on YoutTube?
=
I'm digging through the documentation on OSC on the Circular= site but looking for add'l input.

Thanks.

Jim

--
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jimgoodin.com - = 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism'
=A0
The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music=A0- 'Org= anically inspired New Music'
=A0
From Brooklyn To Gl= indran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter = Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF International

Tips Across the Waters, a= new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.




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j= imgoodin.com - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repet= itive minimalism'
=A0
The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music=A0- 'Org= anically inspired New Music'
=A0
From Brooklyn To Gl= indran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter = Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF International

Tips Across the Waters, a= new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.
--047d7b6225200752f504d450b3a3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 04:47:20 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0A5718349B; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 04:47:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: feedback issue with mics in live performance Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Mark Hamburg X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 20:47:18 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <51B9C09E-2B7C-40F4-81F4-9AD0E774F863@grubmah.com> References: <5104DF23.8090701@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 04:47:20 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 27, 2013, at 10:53 AM, Kris Hartung wrote: > I second Rick's recommendation on in-ear monitors. And, I highly = recommend the Westone. These guys make some amazing systems, and have = for years. > http://www.westone.com/music/ >=20 > I decided to just get their top of the line monitor, the ES5, which is = custom fit to your ear, 8hz to 20kHz frequency range, 5 drivers, 3-way = cross-over....just amazing in sound. I figured the investment was worth = it considering how much time I listen to music, either on state, at home = through my mac, etc. >=20 > But they have some less expensive custom in-ear systems, like the AC1 = and AC2 that are good too. >=20 > For my band, I also bought this Prosonus headphone amp/distribution = system, which is pretty cool. Each person can have an A/B mix, and an = external mix of their own instrument. >=20 > Kris How would these be for recording when working with am modelers? I have a = good pair of Sennheiser headphones but it still feels unnatural and the = bass feels weak. (That said, I have some suspicion that my Mackie mixer = isn't up to driving the Sennheisers.) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 06:31:31 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EB35183499; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 06:31:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <51061B3E.6050403@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 22:31:26 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RP Collier , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Re: new video/song References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_Db-jB.A.F6.DthBRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 06:31:31 +0000 (UTC) On 1/27/2013 8:39 AM, RP Collier wrote: > I slowed the speed down to about 47% making the clip a bit over 8 > minutes long so that it fit the audio time. Any apparent syncing of > audio to image is by chance. > > ******************** I love this effect. In the past few years I have done a lot of really intricate hand editing to visually 'score' my abstract electronica but in the past year, I've become fascinated by the fact that the mind will syncrhonize things that aren't even really synced. It's just lovely, that syncrhonicity and I don't ever seem to get enough of that 'effect'. It's just beautiful and evocative in this particular clip. We don't get a lot of archival videos of people doing prosaic things like playing, eating, laughing, etc. I love it when people are captured just being normal...........nothing special, no mugging for the cameras. Beautiful! Rick > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 08:01:43 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 366B3183494; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 08:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=WKhqoNmMk0GYYvL6H5IwqkuS3KMTncmVSYxpdQMywPY=; b=1CEQ3O/MVceOErtIfZUSB1JBgutOJGv/2R5MiYTIeGKMRPYhtAUhM+t/4WyLk9H+iZ XE4Y30vCYDkFW/Zy6U4/nIYLiQ2FSOCLOck5m+FC2EBMyBd2me0SSbd+x02SqDQ5eae4 R9nd6vsNp6AuzUHPntafwRIQveaElfqtPtDnZqT0Sj0D1v5KkbjGOO8scmuNcbmrvOrd KspFymtczbOoHOiMgCrUtzHT0w09vQ5LIdcrxsHc1or9oYhSMcpJgUgfJttDjxU0foNl Z2qUV9qOn85L01Pqz4o4lAMugK7kBkphqeThCAD6+ls303BWZpY+8uyjypBU+fyz8/aw EiCg== X-Received: by 10.68.223.135 with SMTP id qu7mr35808503pbc.134.1359360101930; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 00:01:41 -0800 (PST) References: <51061B3E.6050403@cruzio.com> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: <51061B3E.6050403@cruzio.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:01:39 +0100 Message-ID: <2643770488395922484@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: new video/song To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 08:01:43 +0000 (UTC) I agree Rick, when I was at college I absorbed myself in artist filmakers, who simply filmed stuff that was going on. Jonas Mekas, Stan Brakhage, even Andy Warhol comes into this catagory, there was a re-emergence of the form in the 80's using the more immediate and cheaper video. Anyone that knows my own film work will know that 50% of it is timelapse or just everyday filming. The beauty if it is that it matures with age. Using old archival footage is great, but don't forget that today's mundane and everyday actions can look cool too! In years to come, or simply that where YOU live can seem alien and strange to your displaced friends! Film Stuff Today! Even(especially) if its just your view from the window you are sitting at right now!!! Mark Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 28 Jan 2013, at 07:31, Rick Walker wrote: > On 1/27/2013 8:39 AM, RP Collier wrote: >> I slowed the speed down to about 47% making the clip a bit over 8 minutes long so that it fit the audio time. Any apparent syncing of audio to image is by chance. >> >> ******************** > I love this effect. In the past few years I have done a lot of really intricate hand editing to visually 'score' my > abstract electronica but in the past year, I've become fascinated by the fact that the mind will syncrhonize > things that aren't even really synced. It's just lovely, that syncrhonicity and I don't ever seem to get enough > of that 'effect'. > > It's just beautiful and evocative in this particular clip. > We don't get a lot of archival videos of people doing prosaic things like playing, eating, laughing, etc. > I love it when people are captured just being normal...........nothing special, no mugging for the cameras. > > Beautiful! > > Rick > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 09:49:15 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A995183497; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:49:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 832092367/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.185.187/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.185.187 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAOdIBlFV0rm7/2dsb2JhbAANOL5xgxEBAQEEOEARCxgJFg8JAwIBAgFFHAGIGawlkmyNAXuDKQOXKYQ8jWc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,551,1355097600"; d="scan'208";a="832092367" Message-ID: <510649A6.6070808@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:49:26 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Data Recovery References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:49:15 +0000 (UTC) Yep, you could try a data recovery program. Likely ..the free demo will let you see if recovery is possible, and maybe salvage one or 2 files. After that you'll have to pay. While the data will still be on the disk, it's possible the directory structure is gone, especially as you did that stuff on Windows. If the mechanism to read the disk is damaged you'll need to send it away for data recovery, and pay a lot. If you can find someone local to you who will run data recovery at a reasonable price it might be a good idea just to go to them. They'll know what works already, and won't erase more data in the attempt to recover. good luck, ..and from now on you'll keep a backup, right? andy Art Simon wrote: > There are several free data recovery software programs out there. I've > actually had very good luck with them the few times I've needed it. I > can't remember the particular version I used, but a search on > downloads.com turned up this: > http://download.cnet.com/File-Scavenger-Data-Recovery-Utility/3000-2094_4-10028488.html > > If that one doesn't work, try a few more. Hopefully you will > be pleasantly surprised. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 17:16:29 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B68118349A; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:16:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=oz4I75wHjomVLNBTN2/kpFIUbhnGB2VXx7VNQQ5rr74=; b=p1J33/IxOwgVY+NOQTqBVSQMacw9Vk/Y/IZL8oDPC6fpQzAGZ67xHx+z+12wXcRIYR pVJGRhlOKOONJWUfFbCAAgsRUOMM50X6xdD2povg/KBype76BC5okcUqbwwW0t2B0jA1 upXUlqJ7BOy0YmnmPu1xtydaHqtuvWrv3H8nNbFnXO8apZAWSuFMBs5Z3kyTqkYrVU85 g5c9b9CMwQ6MvEQCIOtsBR0fmkYFZzu6jic3kzbTlw7X5ktRHAwPUG8Gp195LzlPpr9K JYYUXhD4e3IV+jeYZHLP+hKRtpafP2ltQjnsAIWJ3Q6jfSMgn2eXL2wZ5ewruOo3pWpm i1sA== X-Received: by 10.152.123.34 with SMTP id lx2mr13846964lab.52.1359393388230; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:16:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5106B263.8020201@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:16:19 +0100 From: julien gury User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Data Recovery References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:16:29 +0000 (UTC) Le 27/01/2013 23:26, Kevin Cheli-Colando a écrit : > Hello brilliant people of LD, > > I know this is a long shot but i bet most of you have encountered > something of this sort in the past. > > I have a 2 TB harddrive that was pre-formatted for MAC and Windows > storage (no individual file could be over 4 GB) and all was good in > the world. > > Yesterday, with no real warning at all my Macbook told me it had > errors and I couldn't copy to it or from it. Connected it to a > WIndows machine, it asked if I wanted to scan and fix errors, I said > yes, it did its thing and now it isn't recognized as being formatted. > > Any comments (other than backup your backups) or suggestions on how to > recover this? > > All this and Monday coming... > > Thanks as always, > > Kevin > personnaly my macbook was dead since few week and i have backup my hdd of my mac on a windows computer with the program macdrive there is a demo who dure 6 days but this is suffisant to back up he recognize the hdd and you can take your data ther link: http://macdrive.softonic.fr/ julien From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 17:20:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B76018349D; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:20:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=D6Iwn/Hy9V7lkjOV9d44bo0E2x52/Nt9SweOjmMyMcM=; b=zRhNUzJflbvFgkQTtIFHERjEOLS89avNmnSGgZBawHCw1jkCoYYIvhzP2i+vG4ca+T bFTwds9zuOtKhWXruYYV8W7grW0DG36Cvmf+VuE7o623jjayTaEnxNLUoG0sPr3goTLu kfuKRE2SVemO19wSmvKF5cesoXYi5kw8OW18/lEKh66U6IorI7Zu7kbDWQSD32JI7czX nKQIF7sGXYJQKXRgVTXpeSFfabM0jQOdmIE+v65aT91jGwqyCkUVZWgFiKLNslDKRJHp 2bHSKAi7e/fwAZDArlljHOFVZMzYqVW76vUsSZSeIhg88WYNKfMzPdoxFJmmo0UQIKKv Jydg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.30.201 with SMTP id u9mr12072399oeh.28.1359393618821; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:20:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <510649A6.6070808@tiscali.co.uk> References: <510649A6.6070808@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:20:18 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT Data Recovery From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:20:19 +0000 (UTC) > good luck, > ..and from now on you'll keep a backup, right? I'm thinking I like living dangerously and would prefer to go through this scenario every couple of years so no back ups for me. Seriously though, yes, I will probably think about buying four or five hard drives at a time at this point. Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 18:29:20 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A8F5183495; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:29:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=nccNoRgqEaC8Ka4Rv0m0JX/0+MelHicOYBKWN9bpbQQ=; b=ZPKpJaFV6tHtPrebFYH7YeIVD7a2JyXKVBwe2ZqE/yOAHuaI9fejjvUX7eyE/kvVuL 3SGcuN8CPmtmiA8hlyb836sdac0n8naT+RkB4bxPQ3/LkI8bjBdeQhWVrZ3kLRevFoWi QNnn28HgU8yZg0CbDfMlJC+V754tdSsinx9AXdjMqjYFWVM2BzgTRTOFoO5tDmBcJAYf Xe//6QCUQqeKCwbs6dp7IuUuQYTJaXo8+rBDBh5CDovOwH3oESsXLbk2ufojXDYn2l92 iNYtoVUo+ZNbB3jtCltCGi82dP1NoS82I4heH3REoZhwhiba2+br5b96uGaMaww8OCah qRKw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.127.240 with SMTP id nj16mr19772211qeb.13.1359397759354; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:29:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <510649A6.6070808@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:29:19 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT Data Recovery From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6d96248e069504d45d74b8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:29:20 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b6d96248e069504d45d74b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > > > Seriously though, yes, I will probably think about buying four or five > hard drives at a time at this point. > > Depending on the nature of the files, I'd suggest looking into online storage. Let someone else worry about the redundancy... There is only one (almost) permanent digital storage solution that I'm aware of and it's not yet commercially available (nor is it very pragmatic for the home user): http://www.pcworld.com/article/2010588/hitachi-targets-2015-for-glass-based-data-storage-that-lasts-100-million-years.html You should assume that everything else will fail. (Paper still works, though) I've had some success with a software called DiskWarrior on OS X, but there are so many ways in which a hard drive can fail... YMMV Sylvain --047d7b6d96248e069504d45d74b8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On M= on, Jan 28, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com= > wrote:


Seriously though, yes, I will probably think about buying four or five
hard drives at a time at this point.


Depending on the= nature of the files, I'd suggest looking into online storage. =A0Let s= omeone else worry about the redundancy...

There is only one (almost)=A0permanent=A0digital storage sol= ution that I'm aware of and it's not yet commercially available (no= r is it very pragmatic for the home user):=A0


You should assume that everything else will fail.= =A0(Paper still works, though)

I've had some = success with a software called DiskWarrior on OS X, but there are so many w= ays in which a hard drive can fail... =A0YMMV

Sylvain=A0
--047d7b6d96248e069504d45d74b8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 19:42:58 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98EDB18349A; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:42:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=dpAcC0rv4DP33yM0UFDuYDb+S+lk/PZTQs+oAqHMu0k=; b=ujNUIuvpid12AmklD75zJ/pD+/L2rAHdXGB1W+TtG916i7Wrh8NSJYiNB438oxxJuW yTm/ig5OOtxuGnA+MJCp+WeNBrX8aZV37mNUlySnfMNCPgjTKaVqEumVDS5npYe7DOHh F5xDA26D1mLut3QOMfe0ZEC2AkkDOGJtTefojL1F1tZtP8cmRBaa9tp2rPXImZfUw66I SUa7LFh32/Z1j4Rwneca7yaQTr3gVr+Y+mYxhXSHfvuyOK443Av+84h0i8amrZxcuj1L KGcSwWbRpkCx7frxTLkqUpNBjp51NfthZkMDClhEMcKST7pQl8yJyNTdvnzzXtXGWXIS z+Ow== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.212.4 with SMTP id gq4mr9462574icb.38.1359400398970; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 11:13:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <510649A6.6070808@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 11:13:18 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT Data Recovery From: Todd Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf301d4414e35e3904d45e11a6 Resent-Message-ID: <5gg97.A.T7H.CTtBRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:42:58 +0000 (UTC) --20cf301d4414e35e3904d45e11a6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I use 'crashplan' for offsite backups, and can recommend it-- they offer a service where they ship you a hard drive, and you seed your own online backup with it; they have no throttling or storage limit (unlike carbonite). Worth the dough for the peace of mind. T On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Sylvain Poitras < sylvain.trombone@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando < > billowhead@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> Seriously though, yes, I will probably think about buying four or five >> hard drives at a time at this point. >> >> > Depending on the nature of the files, I'd suggest looking into online > storage. Let someone else worry about the redundancy... > > There is only one (almost) permanent digital storage solution that I'm > aware of and it's not yet commercially available (nor is it very pragmatic > for the home user): > > > http://www.pcworld.com/article/2010588/hitachi-targets-2015-for-glass-based-data-storage-that-lasts-100-million-years.html > > You should assume that everything else will fail. (Paper still works, > though) > > I've had some success with a software called DiskWarrior on OS X, but > there are so many ways in which a hard drive can fail... YMMV > > Sylvain > -- http://toaster.bandcamp.com --20cf301d4414e35e3904d45e11a6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I use 'crashplan' for offsite backups, and can recommend it-- they = offer a service where they ship you a hard drive, and you seed your own onl= ine backup with it; they have no throttling or storage limit (unlike carbon= ite). Worth the dough for the peace of mind.=A0

T


On Mon, Jan 2= 8, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Sylvain Poitras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
=
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Kevin Cheli-Co= lando <billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:


Seriously though, yes, I will probably think about buying four or five
hard drives at a time at this point.


Depending on the= nature of the files, I'd suggest looking into online storage. =A0Let s= omeone else worry about the redundancy...

There is only one (almost)=A0permanent=A0digital storage sol= ution that I'm aware of and it's not yet commercially available (no= r is it very pragmatic for the home user):=A0


You should assume that everything else will fail.= =A0(Paper still works, though)

I've had some = success with a software called DiskWarrior on OS X, but there are so many w= ays in which a hard drive can fail... =A0YMMV

Sylvain=A0



--
http://toaster.bandcamp.com
--20cf301d4414e35e3904d45e11a6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 20:11:44 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A02E183493; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 20:11:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Sd31GHT5giMdRdt4uuwsG4qoGsNOxnb3Ug9iezVPU5I= c=1 sm=2 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=9awzleECAAAA:8 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=OUXYneDTAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=ljfNB86AAAAA:8 a=50Cz1CyOAAAA:8 a=8uv82CxvY0fiocGbB8QA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ScyRcCwGCt4A:10 a=2_Z-OvF4DAgA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=053Au2P4wpAA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=3zjfomG8GtlUhgrF:21 a=YSh51LSXks2Dkoqw:21 a=KLJ_jPP3K92SW0OTsQwA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=n8I9g1U3Foq4AmwE:21 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 64.180.196.102 From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-992089828 Subject: Re: OT Data Recovery - backup Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:11:35 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <510649A6.6070808@tiscali.co.uk> Message-Id: <75234828-E74F-4474-8E23-E6E19199976C@glasswing.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 20:11:44 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-992089828 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For backup Drobo is great. =20 www.drobo.com Not cheap. I've had mine for five years now and no (knock on wood, = inshallah etc) crash. The main machines crash, but Drobo keeps on = chugging. Drives have failed in Drobo but the other drives keep the = data. So I just replace the dead one and I'm back off to the races. =20 I believe it's sort of a Raid 1 - maybe Raid 1 for dummies.=20 I have 12TB in mine. Around a third is used for redundancy. Seems = stupid till one of the Drobo drives croaks, then it's Hallelujah time. = My model (older) can hold up to 16TB. Newer ones are faster and hold = more.=20 Another cool device that requires more hands on attention is the Newer = Technology "Voyager". It's like a little toaster you stick internal = drives in. I take the old crashed drives from Drobo, reformat and use = them in the Voyager for backing up very critical stuff. Cheap and easy. = Not as reliable as Drobo as you have to stick the drives in now and = then and keep them exercised.=20 Backup technology is still cave man tech, but at least with Drobo your = club is, say, iron instead of balsa wood. Cloud is cool if you don't have multi terabytes of data to upload. Maybe = if I go on a two month tour I could upload that while gone. Relatively = slow connect here at the edge of the known universe. For external audio drives, I use Other World Computing drives. They are = quite rugged, considering. Always sorry to hear about crashes.=20 richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.goodnaturefarms.com On Jan 28, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Todd Elliott wrote: > I use 'crashplan' for offsite backups, and can recommend it-- they = offer a service where they ship you a hard drive, and you seed your own = online backup with it; they have no throttling or storage limit (unlike = carbonite). Worth the dough for the peace of mind.=20 >=20 > T >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Sylvain Poitras = wrote: > On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando = wrote: >=20 >=20 > Seriously though, yes, I will probably think about buying four or five > hard drives at a time at this point. >=20 >=20 > Depending on the nature of the files, I'd suggest looking into online = storage. Let someone else worry about the redundancy... >=20 > There is only one (almost) permanent digital storage solution that I'm = aware of and it's not yet commercially available (nor is it very = pragmatic for the home user):=20 >=20 > = http://www.pcworld.com/article/2010588/hitachi-targets-2015-for-glass-base= d-data-storage-that-lasts-100-million-years.html >=20 > You should assume that everything else will fail. (Paper still works, = though) >=20 > I've had some success with a software called DiskWarrior on OS X, but = there are so many ways in which a hard drive can fail... YMMV >=20 > Sylvain=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > http://toaster.bandcamp.com --Apple-Mail-2-992089828 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii For = backup Drobo is great.  


N= ot cheap.  I've had mine for five years now and no (knock on wood, = inshallah etc) crash.  The main machines crash, but Drobo keeps on = chugging.  Drives have failed in Drobo but the other drives keep = the data.  So I just replace the dead one and I'm back off to the = races.  

I believe it's sort of a Raid 1 - maybe = Raid 1 for dummies. 

I have 12TB in mine. =  Around a third is used for redundancy.  Seems stupid till one = of the Drobo drives croaks, then it's Hallelujah time.   My model = (older) can hold up to 16TB.  Newer ones are faster and hold = more. 

Another cool device that requires = more hands on attention is the Newer Technology "Voyager".  It's = like a little toaster you stick internal drives in.  I take the old = crashed drives from Drobo, reformat and use them in the Voyager for = backing up very critical stuff.  Cheap and easy.  Not as = reliable as Drobo as you have to stick the drives in now and then and = keep them exercised. 

Backup technology is = still cave man tech, but at least with Drobo your club is, say, iron = instead of balsa wood.

Cloud is cool if you = don't have multi terabytes of data to upload. Maybe if I go on a two = month tour I could upload that while gone.  Relatively slow connect = here at the edge of the known universe.

For = external audio drives, I use Other World Computing drives.  They = are quite rugged, considering.

Always sorry to = hear about crashes. 

richard sales
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On Jan 28, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Todd Elliott wrote:

I use = 'crashplan' for offsite backups, and can recommend it-- they offer a = service where they ship you a hard drive, and you seed your own online = backup with it; they have no throttling or storage limit (unlike = carbonite). Worth the dough for the peace of mind. 

T


On Mon, = Jan 28, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Sylvain Poitras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at = 12:20 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:


Seriously though, yes, I will probably think about buying four or = five
hard drives at a time at this point.


Depending on = the nature of the files, I'd suggest looking into online storage. =  Let someone else worry about the redundancy...

There is only one (almost) permanent digital = storage solution that I'm aware of and it's not yet commercially = available (nor is it very pragmatic for the home = user): 


You should assume that everything else will = fail.  (Paper still works, though)

I've = had some success with a software called DiskWarrior on OS X, but there = are so many ways in which a hard drive can fail...  YMMV

Sylvain 



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= --Apple-Mail-2-992089828-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 20:14:00 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 686B4183496; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 20:14:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=SUDmmYpofWFcHskeL6GXKlG83HAHnN0LLSyWvxHysSM= c=1 sm=2 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=OUXYneDTAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=ljfNB86AAAAA:8 a=50Cz1CyOAAAA:8 a=xlrByEA1BHOiuvnjMu8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ScyRcCwGCt4A:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=053Au2P4wpAA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=jDxmhSsIiRp43YvzQEkA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=y54dx3Hpme0YcoeQ:21 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 64.180.196.102 From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-992216167 Subject: Re: OT Data Recovery - Crashplan Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:13:41 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <510649A6.6070808@tiscali.co.uk> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 20:14:00 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-992216167 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll check Crashplan out. I've heard about it. The idea of loading all = the stuff onto a HD and sending rather than uploading is quite = compelling. Thanks Todd richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.goodnaturefarms.com On Jan 28, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Todd Elliott wrote: > I use 'crashplan' for offsite backups, and can recommend it-- they = offer a service where they ship you a hard drive, and you seed your own = online backup with it; they have no throttling or storage limit (unlike = carbonite). Worth the dough for the peace of mind.=20 >=20 > T >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Sylvain Poitras = wrote: > On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando = wrote: >=20 >=20 > Seriously though, yes, I will probably think about buying four or five > hard drives at a time at this point. >=20 >=20 > Depending on the nature of the files, I'd suggest looking into online = storage. Let someone else worry about the redundancy... >=20 > There is only one (almost) permanent digital storage solution that I'm = aware of and it's not yet commercially available (nor is it very = pragmatic for the home user):=20 >=20 > = http://www.pcworld.com/article/2010588/hitachi-targets-2015-for-glass-base= d-data-storage-that-lasts-100-million-years.html >=20 > You should assume that everything else will fail. (Paper still works, = though) >=20 > I've had some success with a software called DiskWarrior on OS X, but = there are so many ways in which a hard drive can fail... YMMV >=20 > Sylvain=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > http://toaster.bandcamp.com --Apple-Mail-3-992216167 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I'll = check Crashplan out.  I've heard about it.  The idea of = loading all the stuff onto a HD and sending rather than uploading is = quite compelling.
Thanks Todd
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On Jan 28, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Todd Elliott wrote:

I use = 'crashplan' for offsite backups, and can recommend it-- they offer a = service where they ship you a hard drive, and you seed your own online = backup with it; they have no throttling or storage limit (unlike = carbonite). Worth the dough for the peace of mind. 

T


On Mon, = Jan 28, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Sylvain Poitras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at = 12:20 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:


Seriously though, yes, I will probably think about buying four or = five
hard drives at a time at this point.


Depending on = the nature of the files, I'd suggest looking into online storage. =  Let someone else worry about the redundancy...

There is only one (almost) permanent digital = storage solution that I'm aware of and it's not yet commercially = available (nor is it very pragmatic for the home = user): 


You should assume that everything else will = fail.  (Paper still works, though)

I've = had some success with a software called DiskWarrior on OS X, but there = are so many ways in which a hard drive can fail...  YMMV

Sylvain 



--
http://toaster.bandcamp.com

= --Apple-Mail-3-992216167-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 21:25:52 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D55C218349B; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:25:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5106ECCC.5040905@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:25:32 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Hamburg , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Re: feedback issue with mics in live performance References: <51B9C09E-2B7C-40F4-81F4-9AD0E774F863@grubmah.com> In-Reply-To: <51B9C09E-2B7C-40F4-81F4-9AD0E774F863@grubmah.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:25:52 +0000 (UTC) The Sony Professional Headphones that go for around $90 have really good and accurate bass response, Mark, for what it's worth. If it weren't dangerous for mixing (just because you need the cross talk of stereo speakers to give yourself a realistic feel for your reverberation levels) I'd mix all my albums on them. The bass response is really good and it's not exaggerated like so many home systems with subwoofers in them. On 1/27/2013 8:47 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > How would these be for recording when working with am modelers? I have a good pair of Sennheiser headphones but it still feels unnatural and the bass feels weak. (That said, I have some suspicion that my Mackie mixer isn't up to driving the Sennheisers.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 21:27:39 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75F87183498; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:27:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5106ED42.4050200@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:27:30 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Future LP-1 Production References: <10151641934654918-26673374917@groups.facebook.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9Js7wB.A.wGB.L1uBRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:27:39 +0000 (UTC) > Kevin Martin > > > Kevin Martin wrote (at the Loopers Delight@FacebookGroups) > > 9:52am Jan 28 > > Shame about the LP1. Seeing Steve Lawson > with his at a house concert > was my introduction to loopers. It was an amazing peice of gear, in > his hands/feet anyway. Anyone know if Bob > is even considering bringing > them back into production? > For what it's worth, Bob Amstadt has the ability to make more LP-1s. Unless, however, he can sell 12 of them, definitely, he will lose too much money to make them. Anyone who seriously wants to purchase one could always organize a 'group buy' through Loopers Delight, LiveLoop.Org, and all the Live Looping Groups at Facebook. I know I've heard of at least 12 people who are looking to buy one and I get people asking me all the time if I have heard of any for sale, used. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 21:50:13 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B9E4183495; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:50:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5106F291.4030308@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:50:09 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kevin Cheli-Colando , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Re: OT Data Recovery References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:50:13 +0000 (UTC) During the week before and during the Y2KX Loopfestival, my PC and my Macbook Pro both took a dive (they were redundant).............luckily, though it took hours to recover the information, I had duplicated all of my email posts to a g-mail account (which was not organized). I went out and bought 3 500 gig harddrives after that........................backup, backup, backup On 1/28/2013 9:20 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > I'm thinking I like living dangerously and would prefer to go through > this scenario every couple of years so no back ups for me. Seriously > though, yes, I will probably think about buying four or five hard > drives at a time at this point. Kevin -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 22:32:34 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AF7B18349B; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 22:32:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5106FC7D.2070709@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:32:29 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richard sales , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: DATA BACKUP References: <75234828-E74F-4474-8E23-E6E19199976C@glasswing.com> In-Reply-To: <75234828-E74F-4474-8E23-E6E19199976C@glasswing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1wtHP.A.6yB.CyvBRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 22:32:34 +0000 (UTC) Last week a new free cloud storage site was launched in New Zealand that offers 50 gigs of storage for free. They got over a million customers in a couple of days, apparently. They are called MEGA you can upload and download to it and send out the download information to your friends if apropos. https://mega.co.nz /R. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 22:59:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87CC1183496; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 22:59:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=sbQ25XqwIWBZ+hU0gsUsd2UY+uqnsU6V9cvBW54K7gk=; b=X0UedOtiarpxrFxD5JuLkcK3RXOp1CyEIEJSOUm1Dk7emIrBDirqn/CmbDNPa6BdXU fXzSQ16g68UjbCs2i3dGMcreznCmtdTYoLzuiRMfoRhZaaWtP9HeH8GBsPdQC9cvCyt/ 6irCKyPv29jFHrGPg502Cvd6j91/bdUjRJXsFZ5h+SS4hnRJ85hPM1tO10erk1RVwhcG xbL7+RgDueUs75S8lvdF95f6S8gUAXy78CuuTZInSG2wF03qMVKlXAXWRUdiPygyWJMI 67j9bt5LVKtXVmblxHW88bITnUpYryP5WdGbeoMryaZGkIUNfX89ycFzlXc3XIGSlW0x /I2Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.14.203.3 with SMTP id e3mr56794278eeo.9.1359413990407; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:59:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5106FC7D.2070709@cruzio.com> References: <75234828-E74F-4474-8E23-E6E19199976C@glasswing.com> <5106FC7D.2070709@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:59:50 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: DATA BACKUP From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b343b2a003e2e04d4613cae Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 22:59:51 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b343b2a003e2e04d4613cae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick thanks for the heads up. Looks good, I signed up. Wondering if it's a promotional that will dry up in 6 months but regardless it's a nice storage deal for now. Jim On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Last week a new free cloud storage site was launched in New Zealand that > offers 50 gigs of storage for free. They got over a million customers > in a couple of days, apparently. > > They are called MEGA you can upload and download to it and > send out > the download information to your friends if apropos. > > https://mega.co.nz > > /R. > > --=20 --=20 *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism' *The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music* - 'Organically inspired New Music' *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit *JDRF International * *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. --047d7b343b2a003e2e04d4613cae Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rick thanks for the heads up.=A0 Looks good, I signed up.=A0 Wondering= if it's a promotional that will dry up in 6 months but regardless it&#= 39;s a nice storage deal for now.
=A0
Jim

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On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com&g= t; wrote:
Last week a new free cloud storage site was launched in New Zealand that offers 50 gigs of storage for free. =A0 They got over a million customers in a couple of days, apparently.

They are called =A0MEGA =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0you can upload and downl= oad to it and send out
the download information to your friends if apropos.

https://mega.co.nz

/R.




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jimgoodin.= com - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive min= imalism'
=A0
The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music=A0- 'Org= anically inspired New Music'
=A0
From Brooklyn To Gl= indran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter = Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF International

Tips Across the Waters, a= new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.
--047d7b343b2a003e2e04d4613cae-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 23:07:39 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC126183496; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 23:07:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=y7EJJ+u/zUbnasq66ONISQt6BwxaHSkn7lO5CGMLeYU=; b=GHv/PhMfbE5dAdsmRQ2i0zE3OWS81yESnX9+NungDz0jaYSs83qz9++YagqqZaysJO vXYy392V9xWvoTc6eqS2/GGgObj3pGGgT1w/0TgQ1iUotvYfJFOUfP3LBKL0Eub9jFtg 5HR+gzNbMPJI/mvvxWu8Cmt4nOCRVw8ZwCuRDDmdn42nf1+k9dHykm9PkcCv2bLYenKx HPJi0SKYnPKzIdOSUhvAewhrcHyTD71QU+k4XUGnTkzguExZ0NWMLjTuqcZ32KqGmGQ5 zlujs/Ev77ZYpXkKsZUyhzs9Po8NxGFp9TKfOXrU6fefH5XKGDWgiRpWwlQEYAGufzL1 FEyg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.114.214 with SMTP id f22mr4164105qcq.35.1359414459273; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:07:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <75234828-E74F-4474-8E23-E6E19199976C@glasswing.com> <5106FC7D.2070709@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:07:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: DATA BACKUP From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=002354470058f291ac04d4615712 Resent-Message-ID: <-6fxIB.A.7JC.7SwBRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 23:07:39 +0000 (UTC) --002354470058f291ac04d4615712 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have also opened a Mega account just for testing. It got slammed at first but has started working pretty well now. 50 gigs is pretty good for free! Everything is encrypted to the point that if you lose your password you can not get another!!! So take heed. They are talking about implementing a way to do that in the future. However...Mega is a new company from Kim Dot Com who you might remember from Megaupload fame. The gov shut down Megaupload and is still trying to extradite him. Anti pirate groups and the gov I assume also really want Mega shut down badly! So the point being don't count on this site being your only backup. Just Google for more info on Mega. eyes open, Jeff On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Jim Goodin wrote= : > Rick thanks for the heads up. Looks good, I signed up. Wondering if it'= s > a promotional that will dry up in 6 months but regardless it's a nice > storage deal for now. > > Jim > > On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > >> Last week a new free cloud storage site was launched in New Zealand that >> offers 50 gigs of storage for free. They got over a million customers >> in a couple of days, apparently. >> >> They are called MEGA you can upload and download to it and >> send out >> the download information to your friends if apropos. >> >> https://mega.co.nz >> >> /R. >> >> > > > -- > -- > *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, > color blue, repetitive minimalism' > > *The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music* - > 'Organically inspired New Music' > > *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a > new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds fr= om > this CD will benefit *JDRF International * > > *Tips Across the Waters > *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. > --002354470058f291ac04d4615712 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have also opened a Mega account just for testing. It got slammed at first= but has started working pretty well now. 50 gigs is pretty good for free! = Everything is encrypted to the point that if you lose your password you can= not get another!!! So take heed. They are talking about implementing a way= to do that in the future.

However...Mega is a new company from Kim Dot Com who you might remember= from Megaupload fame. The gov shut down Megaupload and is still trying to = extradite him. Anti pirate groups and the gov I assume also really want Meg= a shut down badly! So the point being don't count on this site being yo= ur only backup. Just Google for more info on Mega.

eyes open,

Jeff

On Mon, Jan 28= , 2013 at 5:59 PM, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
Rick thanks for the heads up.=A0 Looks = good, I signed up.=A0 Wondering if it's a promotional that will dry up = in 6 months but regardless it's a nice storage deal for now.
=A0
Jim

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com&g= t; wrote:
Last week a new free cloud storage site was launched in New Zealand that offers 50 gigs of storage for free. =A0 They got over a million customers in a couple of days, apparently.

They are called =A0MEGA =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0you can upload and downl= oad to it and send out
the download information to your friends if apropos.

https://mega.co.nz

/R.




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jimgoodin.com - &= #39;Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism'
=A0
The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music=A0- 'Organ= ically inspired New Music'
=A0
From Brooklyn To Glind= ran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th= =F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF International

Tips Across the Waters, a n= ew app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

--002354470058f291ac04d4615712-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 28 23:10:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 687FE183494; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 23:10:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=lxSzMQHAIJUYsP3VbxXUGqb+zLBKH8eIIQbSH0kmXBI=; b=iG+CPkmTXwLaV8o2WlaB9bgp7X/zQ1eyMkR3ECigLVlkdiJBIK48mfFKFAZPSSLoF5 7+wUHgcoGPwALJ6t/JzYlLg03S5wdFSrfxS9J4FU1dlYJG1ZWP9v2kBMSOL/lrylRLKV nFMCa80H/tL4jgZg8MpBIdyPEGLzz5Wuy/YkoM4bKRhw2SllstAkR59JuvkW+qLBqe1C Sy+voPQOqTIwJ8Ao0ed8ORE565Dkf6QAXAdAGHSeJT3L4XoIPxwbZEcOs3jkh6wXTMxX FBPC7YH62yhl188t1qZ5m7EWs70gsIwHx+Rk3D21Nz0DMTdUGGxaVfGg2p7UTQ0ucYa4 4BdA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.14.211.137 with SMTP id w9mr21567002eeo.39.1359414623554; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:10:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <75234828-E74F-4474-8E23-E6E19199976C@glasswing.com> <5106FC7D.2070709@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:10:23 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: DATA BACKUP From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b624ab8bd4b8704d46161be Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 23:10:24 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b624ab8bd4b8704d46161be Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeff thanks that's interesting but it is what it is for now, maybe this time it will work. It's a generous incentive. That's wild about the pw but maybe a good thing in a sense. On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: > I have also opened a Mega account just for testing. It got slammed at > first but has started working pretty well now. 50 gigs is pretty good for > free! Everything is encrypted to the point that if you lose your password > you can not get another!!! So take heed. They are talking about > implementing a way to do that in the future. > > However...Mega is a new company from Kim Dot Com who you might remember > from Megaupload fame. The gov shut down Megaupload and is still trying to > extradite him. Anti pirate groups and the gov I assume also really want > Mega shut down badly! So the point being don't count on this site being > your only backup. Just Google for more info on Mega. > > eyes open, > > Jeff > > > On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Jim Goodin wro= te: > >> Rick thanks for the heads up. Looks good, I signed up. Wondering if >> it's a promotional that will dry up in 6 months but regardless it's a ni= ce >> storage deal for now. >> >> Jim >> >> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Rick Walker wrote= : >> >>> Last week a new free cloud storage site was launched in New Zealand tha= t >>> offers 50 gigs of storage for free. They got over a million customers >>> in a couple of days, apparently. >>> >>> They are called MEGA you can upload and download to it an= d >>> send out >>> the download information to your friends if apropos. >>> >>> https://mega.co.nz >>> >>> /R. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, >> color blue, repetitive minimalism' >> >> *The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music* - >> 'Organically inspired New Music' >> >> *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a >> new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds f= rom >> this CD will benefit *JDRF International * >> >> *Tips Across the Waters >> *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. >> > > --=20 --=20 *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism' *The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music* - 'Organically inspired New Music' *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit *JDRF International * *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. --047d7b624ab8bd4b8704d46161be Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeff thanks that's interesting but it is what it is for now, maybe this= time it will work.=A0 It's a generous incentive.=A0 That's wild ab= out the pw but maybe a good thing in a sense.

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
I have also opened a Mega account just for testing. It got slammed at first= but has started working pretty well now. 50 gigs is pretty good for free! = Everything is encrypted to the point that if you lose your password you can= not get another!!! So take heed. They are talking about implementing a way= to do that in the future.

However...Mega is a new company from Kim Dot Com who you might remember= from Megaupload fame. The gov shut down Megaupload and is still trying to = extradite him. Anti pirate groups and the gov I assume also really want Meg= a shut down badly! So the point being don't count on this site being yo= ur only backup. Just Google for more info on Mega.

eyes open,

Jeff


<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
Rick thanks for the heads up.=A0 Looks good, I signed= up.=A0 Wondering if it's a promotional that will dry up in 6 months bu= t regardless it's a nice storage deal for now.
=A0
Jim

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com&g= t; wrote:
Last week a new free cloud storage site was launched in New Zealand that offers 50 gigs of storage for free. =A0 They got over a million customers in a couple of days, apparently.

They are called =A0MEGA =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0you can upload and downl= oad to it and send out
the download information to your friends if apropos.

https://mega.co.nz

/R.




--
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jimgoodin.com - 'Acoustic guit= ar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism'
=A0
The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music=A0- 'Organ= ically inspired New Music'
=A0
From Brooklyn To Glind= ran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th= =F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF International

Tips Across the Waters, a n= ew app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.




--
--
jimgoodin.co= m - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minim= alism'
=A0
The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music=A0- 'Org= anically inspired New Music'
=A0
From Brooklyn To Gl= indran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter = Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF International

Tips Across the Waters, a= new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.
--047d7b624ab8bd4b8704d46161be-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 00:24:46 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B408183497; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 00:24:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=aRQIqmAVuyDBg9qPOf9kNo55KFUHR4kXBQHr901wzRsTcW39H+QYF5H7oyZMNWJp; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5106FC7D.2070709@cruzio.com> References: <75234828-E74F-4474-8E23-E6E19199976C@glasswing.com> <5106FC7D.2070709@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:24:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, richard sales From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: DATA BACKUP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79427458177e8347798ef495d825bad0b8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 00:24:46 +0000 (UTC) "He who controls the spice controls the world..." At 2:32 PM -0800 1/28/13, Rick Walker wrote: >Last week a new free cloud storage site was launched in New Zealand that >offers 50 gigs of storage for free. They got over a million customers >in a couple of days, apparently. > >They are called MEGA you can upload and download to it >and send out >the download information to your friends if apropos. > >https://mega.co.nz > >/R. -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 00:29:48 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D109D183494; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 00:29:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 776864.96279.bm@omp1001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1359419387; bh=f9hgpmFF/UTHJzPcwmhtyHbY6WH0vuFMi42hA4ZWXW0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=URt39TdKn9+6AFB5ydYdJ2NP37U6ztLultP6ZQyyyX2EsAlL7MGLv6HOxVQKcrNH1sqIHdxqt1fPtxRV7Xm2kO7NsYITJ0xQSRv2t2lBG8mZhGNVvZJMNRb0GpFI6J+gZ2t3GSo2TdtrbvOfsJHq3G6FOF1Jv40MSnxyjn8YbTg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nfXV9uEjPplrRm54/odnpjQbEE7VTeAC1+9s9X3iNXv6a+G737hBfTc2MR/qtlDYkWpOP9/mho3AfYCZt9v4/KbmEuLAgsy19FBmACkeCpYvENTAiORyxW7srD0ANfacZAaHfghFrosLAYd0ZKmB1iJl7pkQM6/IzRR0YmjH8qI= ; X-YMail-OSG: o89QgnwVM1li_Txh4jZZbkzHMPFev3Ywlz0reCVDKfpWtE7 .nblsZXNsGO.jFtJrN.zRZawOv1ZTUVCavr2v5vS9mX.8AMd7gGB_mAhaswO wOZwtNv8EHdc3yHrIhpdYibBhTxy7EtaV.s1I1LhIjP82Ee6khI2SzZkqrKR O6okMTXqb8Q_oCJWG_NtsovdCzFJWqbO7CRCqMhU6Js05Rl8wk0lG5JYB09g O3o4inwx.4QQ9i2DvgR1lAdNO4WJ7Y5i34.D9ttIHYaFWjOFvDlLktO3vccJ _NB.9osHWqvLPu1U7lTFmlUeN6PdNXPD3e9KJFhx15cwjkmbzz7yDTzU5mM3 YTr4eNtDkGvFcaPss8Is87AF2IQp68hJ2Vj7bDJMhdvgysPKhZ_5STwCe7kL 1ikISmI_E4sTAWmGNWIttlqjjRiFjUTvaCjIf4A6LIxtqPEel6kHrgS8J1Uw sV1i7lf80piYjqJbr3_jgStc12kQAEzSrXncGknaOACPkmyVUq4YXc03NwEn k1OWBoOumKlaw9.W.Zzh45SUHECZfbORCfSixmuY.8UUnfM0rVqS9dYIdAGt vAl3fG3e4mS5rIF2pSXB3cfYLQsreKbNX93Qq X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,CgpJIGFic29sdXRlbHkgKmxvdmUqIG15IExQLTEgYnV0IHRoZSBvbmUgdGhpbmcgdGhhdCBmcmVha3MgbWUgb3V0IGFib3V0IGl0IGlzIHRoYXQgaWYgSSBkaWQgbmVlZCB0byBnZXQgYSBuZXcgb25lIGl0J3Mgbm90IGp1c3QgcXVpY2tseSBhbmQgZWFzaWx5IGF2YWlsYWJsZSB0byBwdXJjaGFzZS4gwqBJZiBhbnlvbmUgaXMgdHJ5aW5nIHRvIG9yZ2FuaXplIGEgZ3JvdXAgYnV5IGRlZmluaXRlbHkga2VlcCBtZSAiaW4gdGhlIGxvb3AiIDspIC10aGFua3MgU3RldmUgVWNjZWxsbwoKd3d3LnN0ZXZldWNjZWwBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.131.499 References: <10151641934654918-26673374917@groups.facebook.com> <5106ED42.4050200@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <1359419387.66839.YahooMailNeo@web161306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:29:47 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Uccello Reply-To: Steve Uccello Subject: Re: Future LP-1 Production To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <5106ED42.4050200@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1600601909-1896958557-1359419387=:66839" Resent-Message-ID: <7-y7mB.A.d8C.8fxBRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 00:29:48 +0000 (UTC) ---1600601909-1896958557-1359419387=:66839 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0AI absolutely *love* my LP-1 but the one thing that freaks me out abou= t it is that if I did need to get a new one it's not just quickly and easil= y available to purchase. =A0If anyone is trying to organize a group buy def= initely keep me "in the loop" ;) -thanks Steve Uccello=0A=0Awww.steveuccell= o.com=0A ---1600601909-1896958557-1359419387=:66839 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= I absolutely *love* my LP-1 but the one thing that freaks me out about it i= s that if I did need to get a new one it's not just quickly and easily avai= lable to purchase.  If anyone is trying to organize a group buy defini= tely keep me "in the loop" ;) -thanks Steve Uccello

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---1600601909-1896958557-1359419387=:66839-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 05:56:17 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE0D6183497; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 05:56:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=DZ2cxSLY0Ob16cg6aI++Wse9bxpOVjOAfnkcPo1cpTA=; b=PYG4Ci46Yb9vtezfhsXpmMasPzzHzDqGUdBdLhkB0KQBAERAYhgvPiu028Se5c37yu aXfezTpqUUXUjNjGFH6YlOY5WjwSiNq1uJJBwVtXaZadSSasaNsmq+TFmMIxLHDP4JFp wSbyTD/b750kRi/sxc6xBgKWKFQpYr7br75wLUm3O+UpT/MvhVxewDzUXXnKsXFHjA6h STEsYfS8lqLKL357sD+q63syMf7jFOc/PsoedAE3Jjbgf44yy1jnH5pNd4b6JyozoZq9 rMTVlGKcxMMIcOGs/RE57Qxx1wI+6sxlfaVcFc5ZHsp/JIpYlj1UCXukdPQ0pZBmt4Ls bYOA== X-Received: by 10.101.10.33 with SMTP id n33mr131191ani.18.1359438976954; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:56:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <-1990620259894250074@unknownmsgid> In-Reply-To: <-1990620259894250074@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: feedback issue with mics in live performance Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 22:56:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: <3aNAP.A.b4E.BS2BRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 05:56:17 +0000 (UTC) Yes, indeed. I've sold out and its now all about hot chicks and the dance floor. LOL Check it. www.cloudsplittermusic.com We are still doing some looping too! :-) -----Original Message----- On 27 Jan 2013, at 19:57, Kris Hartung wrote: > I am playing EDM stuff, What??? I wanna hear Kris!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 16:38:49 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC595183498; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:38:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=BALXWr8GMI9Fgnz1EvmvqZt0bfTUWZiOjxWLrCGePRA=; b=X99Rvd69DutQsNqneqR562t7SPEY3bZnW6JYbBmj+k+ZxVYjIEdMGOwSLu8aPzKASE EKMHtpbtWX8+EmGMTs1W1oywhdO4174G/GIJlVMt7+rSQq6QYEtgnwD6Sieg9GMqZJA0 Xkf7AqVYwNW8zXVMp7EnxIfn+qstu0UxmyTKd163KxtpQAsp1+YGLpNx47KRDkqCA+T0 jbgWuWVdfQq9B8uOMXYoZ1/eZl5XGA0tZ0rKZJ+ML0GE3xsaqOyb2AOC15fjbI/4ZJIB QL740MaKpe7tnRP32LrwyxGv5FiyHDT3NUmzp91/CoGAhdJOCxYwSM44xX09vxUTBKx3 hSnQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.32.147 with SMTP id j19mr1215043oei.68.1359477528886; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:38:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <-1990620259894250074@unknownmsgid> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:38:48 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: feedback issue with mics in live performance From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <7z5pfB.A.a3.Zs_BRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:38:49 +0000 (UTC) Fun stuff there Kris. I have to say, your musical interests are certainly mercurial. Kevin On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Yes, indeed. I've sold out and its now all about hot chicks and the dance > floor. LOL > > Check it. www.cloudsplittermusic.com > > We are still doing some looping too! :-) > > > -----Original Message----- On 27 Jan 2013, at 19:57, Kris Hartung > wrote: > >> I am playing EDM stuff, > > > What??? I wanna hear Kris!! -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 19:09:44 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7F6618349A; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 19:09:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: Livelooping Workshops Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 20:09:35 +0100 Message-ID: <000001cdfe54$2e7cc810$8b765830$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01CDFE5C.90413010" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac3+VC2WghGp2ltxS+moymWgdzbusg== Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 19:09:44 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CDFE5C.90413010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I could possibly do a livelooping workshop in a school (not sure which = ages). I have never done this and no idea what to do. I knew that = several people here have done such things before. What works and is fun = and easy to do? =20 -Michael =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CDFE5C.90413010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I could possibly do a livelooping workshop in a school (not sure which = ages). I have never done this and no idea what to do. I knew that = several people here have done such things before. What works and is fun = and easy to do?

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CDFE5C.90413010-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 19:19:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C9121834A0; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 19:19:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=T8pN7eRDDDn/ncGvajy09JKt90pAXzjdmnOFCTr6D4w=; b=wavvUUsS6Q9YEgsY1GuPBZ2jmE6KLiEIHuaL/k3eIMUUfMCyAOyRpW1D1Ro3nTvCUW Zxu4yBAUo7lz5oq6G+muMIzMZgFgnGkyd2PRDeOKHAHW5jrqN0MJGFZlg5Nf1r5Jj4r6 RYRCz4SvoC/Om4bVpnXNO/shi9NEh2ZCKdF1igmU+E8zqhf3LFNWO5gPa7JhCHqj0iNe 5OEGdvdCANZKZzB1bkwqCbNrXHD67EmKb1EsqXbDOqn3FeIeQ/bTNzpRKzEhd4gnqvtJ xNDRTQNRwkaYxWbUQaMvFeB10CWha5a6+JcpPH9tk5M4XfkIlKt+zWwkQVz+bAVjmlwu vn/g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.150.84 with SMTP id x20mr2242486vcv.73.1359487175535; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:19:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <000001cdfe54$2e7cc810$8b765830$@de> References: <000001cdfe54$2e7cc810$8b765830$@de> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 20:19:35 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Livelooping Workshops From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043c7c082cad2904d4724690 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 19:19:36 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043c7c082cad2904d4724690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I've done one on last summer with this program: A) Theory: - story: the birth of the loop etc... - loop machines (from the old ones to the new ones) - video/audio examples of looping and loop machines (from Rilley to frippertronics to looping software) B) Practice: - Looper's main fuctions (undo, redo, multiply, feedback.....) - examples of fuctions and techniques (by playing) - perform a looping act live in front of your pupils... -f 2013/1/29 Michael Peters > I could possibly do a livelooping workshop in a school (not sure which > ages). I have never done this and no idea what to do. I knew that several > people here have done such things before. What works and is fun and easy to > do?**** > > ** ** > > -Michael**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > --f46d043c7c082cad2904d4724690 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've done one on last summer with this program:

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2013/1/29 Michael P= eters <mp@mpeters.de>

I could possibly do a = livelooping workshop in a school (not sure which ages). I have= never done this and no idea what to do. I knew that several people here ha= ve done such things before. What works and is fun and easy to do?

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--f46d043c7c082cad2904d4724690-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 21:19:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDA0718349C; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 21:19:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=8iP6wKaxgpU4J8LHFO4mR1s15EkC6wSZuZHeCfFuHiE=; b=ogbr7gIoikQJyf++xnlpSvjBb9cLjG4RsWtvwV7xo4VzvyzRFTow4+pR7xM7lXYCKo 03q6uqxlCG4DDJ5JBSy1cu3LK9RcVX+sQD8RYlY+vzpk4Jx592xbAP+7DDN0fT9vbH8g HTNAzwUVSXhWaLukjvV3SQo0orN2wX7Hk2+ihH9nEDUn9EidHgAOpxDcxmGEGTh/0WVT GTWwfNzCogYoggRzmrGbLTIsKpUI3C6R+n7jFjTwgqXbaqk4zyjSf7QFaZCq/QbGKkCJ vmHQobxUSF2eUxr3esWEGcoWIvKWb3jJSiiMvC9hGiiUtK3JieUhZ0mZl69BrdlD7qdd SD1g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.188.101 with SMTP id fz5mr1995116obc.0.1359494381100; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 13:19:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <000001cdfe54$2e7cc810$8b765830$@de> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:19:40 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Livelooping Workshops From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 21:19:41 +0000 (UTC) Be sure to stress early on that there are two main approaches to using livelooping: using the looper as a "smart recorder" vs using the looper as an "instrument". These two are complementary techniques. When forgetting to make this clear there may be a risk that some people don't understand what you are telling because they simply lock in with a different "thinking paradigm". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:19 PM, Fabio_A wrote: > I've done one on last summer with this program: > > A) Theory: > - story: the birth of the loop etc... > - loop machines (from the old ones to the new ones) > - video/audio examples of looping and loop machines (from Rilley to > frippertronics to looping software) > > B) Practice: > - Looper's main fuctions (undo, redo, multiply, feedback.....) > - examples of fuctions and techniques (by playing) > - perform a looping act live in front of your pupils... > > > -f > > > > 2013/1/29 Michael Peters >> >> I could possibly do a livelooping workshop in a school (not sure which >> ages). I have never done this and no idea what to do. I knew that several >> people here have done such things before. What works and is fun and easy to >> do? >> >> >> >> -Michael >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 22:11:17 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75260183495; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:11:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: Audio Interface for Guitar+Mic Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 23:11:08 +0100 Message-ID: <000301cdfe6d$8ab72080$a0256180$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01CDFE75.EC7B8880" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac3+bYoUtZvRNo5QTq+677pJG5EtpQ== Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: <2ittB.A.8hD.FkECRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:11:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CDFE75.EC7B8880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm thinking of getting a slightly larger interface (I use a tiny Edirol = 2 cinch in-2 cinch out now), one that would let me plug in a microphone = in addition to the guitar. My dealer recommended a Focusrite interface = (http://global.focusrite.com/usb-audio-interfaces/scarlett-2i2) - I'm = slightly confused though over this question: would I see two different = inputs (guitar and mic) in my Bidule, so that I can route them in = different ways? -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CDFE75.EC7B8880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm thinking of getting a slightly = larger interface (I use a tiny Edirol 2 = cinch in-2 cinch out now), one that would let me plug in a microphone in = addition to the guitar. My dealer recommended a Focusrite interface = (http://global.focusrite.com/usb-audio-interfaces/scarlett-2i2) - I'm = slightly confused though over this question: would I see two different = inputs (guitar and mic) in my Bidule, so that I can route them in different = ways?=C2=A0 = -Michael

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CDFE75.EC7B8880-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 22:20:47 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02D11183494; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:20:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:importance :x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=wj0ZDZI7xdJSSmnm4iEGRuk24yvV/He1oDBMkDN0rP0=; b=NnpX8b44k4xMe522ac0ydDR/hAYonrojQ79Xq/KNIWXAziPDD8VNgOCVURACe3J6RI m8NaDZrs7ZXPezzlGylCNFylinma9nS/n+2z0UT9yXbRTOi2ihv0UTiZ9v1PowwUgpeY cvyu/e8/iJ34+AK+0R7llgrYQGVYOM/yRGjtc1ABzaFW2Utt1DXkQrf6o3eybx3R8TUu Ujuguhwip1z0pot5IrZSA3L0ZljuhNzu+VbAtPbSoBkOOsjEJ7nxFrxWeKOZwWg40ByJ Ggs+bQhViUKhBKqInxrN8jPco86IWsiYElSqa2cepE8AW9EKJx0hOwDHDp7+zdngkOxl J2Og== X-Received: by 10.236.81.7 with SMTP id l7mr3167127yhe.112.1359498046368; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:20:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <000301cdfe6d$8ab72080$a0256180$@de> In-Reply-To: <000301cdfe6d$8ab72080$a0256180$@de> Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Guitar+Mic Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:20:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_025D_01CDFE34.343ADDC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: <8IDvSD.A.vvD.-sECRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:20:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_025D_01CDFE34.343ADDC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That=E2=80=99s correct. Your software will detect the different inputs, = or you=E2=80=99ll have to configure it to detect them. This is how my = RME Fireface 400 works, which I highly recommend given that it=E2=80=99s = German! LOL =20 I'm thinking of getting a slightly larger interface (I use a tiny Edirol = 2 cinch in-2 cinch out now), one that would let me plug in a microphone = in addition to the guitar. My dealer recommended a Focusrite interface = (http://global.focusrite.com/usb-audio-interfaces/scarlett-2i2) - I'm = slightly confused though over this question: would I see two different = inputs (guitar and mic) in my Bidule, so that I can route them in = different ways? -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_025D_01CDFE34.343ADDC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That=E2=80=99s correct. Your software will detect the different = inputs, or you=E2=80=99ll=20 have to configure it to detect them.  This is how my RME Fireface = 400=20 works, which I highly recommend given that it=E2=80=99s German!  = LOL 
 
 
 

I'm=20 thinking of getting a slightly larger interface (I use a tiny Edirol 2 cinch in-2 cinch out now), one that would = let me=20 plug in a microphone in addition to the guitar. My dealer recommended a=20 Focusrite interface=20 (http://global.focusrite.com/usb-audio-interfaces/scarlett-2i2) - I'm = slightly=20 confused though over this question: would I see two different inputs = (guitar and=20 mic) in my Bidule, so that I=20 can route them in different ways? =20 -Michael

------=_NextPart_000_025D_01CDFE34.343ADDC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 29 22:35:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49CA1183499; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:35:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Livelooping Workshops Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 23:35:31 +0100 Message-ID: <002a01cdfe70$f2389880$d6a9c980$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01CDFE79.53FD0080" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac3+VZKrfnUeq7b2S5+ygXD7coiRxgAGz0Ww Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:35:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01CDFE79.53FD0080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I thought of maybe doing something interactive, like, going around with = a microphone and putting everyone's vocals or percussion into the loop = ... -mpe =20 ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01CDFE79.53FD0080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I = thought of maybe doing something interactive, like, going around with a = microphone and putting everyone's vocals or percussion into the loop = ...

-mpe

 

------=_NextPart_000_002B_01CDFE79.53FD0080-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 00:07:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F13EB183496; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 00:07:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+9rDnhlTGoC7/3TGMWr7bq7p50hhfpsuHMhh4DLaa3I=; b=BEC1Cyr1WGf4UVC5mUsWCaZTYIIFAH0PRQCG1hx7ZcYt4Sxg6YHbO7cu9SXVyk2jOz rZTMFQaJ7EJkC6oJ2BtgMNdi2Tjt7DDH+Y8VzgPZav37W6zVMbV1u6S8dG489H7iAkyN BVdYSuhQ9z77ZH+od75L7i7A/EsGrIOQGsuU7cXEgwK6K8k+nQtruv9t4A3HtjYrExN4 pCF34RyoqIfCaLrBFnWuzm0Pj60hRnWociW/dJvr6c8lQfabczgmdTc1iFZn6JGRBsET IQeC/5OfNgmnVBQpLjorCvsRZr1RrOt3mrkTkZB0HMpFnb8x/UCQhdD6BO4vYmdTdwoo oMUA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.32.19 with SMTP id e19mr2340328oei.60.1359504423191; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:07:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <002a01cdfe70$f2389880$d6a9c980$@de> References: <002a01cdfe70$f2389880$d6a9c980$@de> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 01:07:02 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Livelooping Workshops From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 00:07:03 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > I thought of maybe doing something interactive, like, going around with a > microphone and putting everyone's vocals or percussion into the loop ... That seems like a fun thing to do! I use to gather the people sitting on chairs in a circle around a mic that I have cabled into M=C3=B6bius. We pass around the foot pedal to loop and people can add to each others loop as layers or make a parallel loop if they like. I keep a big screen with the M=C3=B6bius GUI so everyone can see exactly what loops are running, how long they are etc. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 00:19:16 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27EC2183498; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 00:19:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rzG3HNHPKgutNocqgMHNAd5pOuIwGRiZ6UemCQcgCcA=; b=L1brc+6dvmpyhNB8NnH/LUFNhuIczo1KL1ngbRMrQSIJrVzUCJ6DwP29xElOl+Kfcx Z9537ORNg86HAoUcTkYoJORoHWmhh5zaEM63ghIFM6gxKQ8DTkTM0PwGBHILUJYcqVv7 +BHAlimnH5xenFSiwZctd6fBVTeIxqXgEJW0e3c5dGQjOPrTYFovEWFZx/UZg7Id9yVz egJMxVNzdz9JwjVaDkZwwGgcHvgIY5zUpHryfF6N+ic+O0AioQSvff23bsQxRwd/5D6q nfMYW1TH4xqePZlD3nIC1iPPm0KHeyi+DMSap6MWlYJcUY99ChV5Pd2VaVqYoe0817GZ AJAA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.172.113 with SMTP id bb17mr2339009oec.110.1359505155456; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:19:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <000301cdfe6d$8ab72080$a0256180$@de> References: <000301cdfe6d$8ab72080$a0256180$@de> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 01:19:15 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Guitar+Mic From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 00:19:16 +0000 (UTC) I've been setting up Bidule in many variation for multiple inputs. For guitar + mic I cable the guitar input into some kind of "pre amp plugin", a compressor or fuzz and after that into a audio switcher to switch between several optional effect chains. The mic input I cable first into a volume control (assigned to a physical expression pedal so I can mute the bitch to prevent feedback and noise getting layered into loops) and then I cable the mic line right into the audio switcher so it uses the same effects as the guitar. This routing saves a lot of CPU. With my previous mics I had to add an EQ right after the input to boost treble and cut bass and low mid but with my recent TC Helicon MP-70 I can run it without EQ (it colors the signal the same way you want to EQ it anyway - not good in the studio, but very convenient in a live setup). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:11 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > I'm thinking of getting a slightly larger interface (I use a tiny Edirol 2 > cinch in-2 cinch out now), one that would let me plug in a microphone in > addition to the guitar. My dealer recommended a Focusrite interface > (http://global.focusrite.com/usb-audio-interfaces/scarlett-2i2) - I'm > slightly confused though over this question: would I see two different > inputs (guitar and mic) in my Bidule, so that I can route them in different > ways? -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 01:35:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D9BA183494; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 01:35:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 02:34:55 +0100 (CET) From: emmanuel.reveneau@free.fr To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <1615806613.435146889.1359509695388.JavaMail.root@zimbra67-e11.priv.proxad.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Livelooping Workshops MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: [86.217.181.171] X-Mailer: Zimbra 7.2.0-GA2598 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/7.2.0-GA2598) X-Authenticated-User: emmanuel.reveneau@free.fr Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 01:35:03 +0000 (UTC) I've done several workshops with young people who weren't musicians at all,= and the strategy depends of the time (one session,several...), the number = (a little group or a class), the context. First, as fabio, I always do a qu= ick but complete presentation of the history of looping with old videos, al= so speak about the digital technology, about bruitism and random methods to= o, and show them some videos of weird music to cause them a radical cogniti= ve opening about what is possible to do with the music (I use some japanois= e or strange electronic music, or pygmies, etc). Second, for a small group,= I prepare three or four loopers (I use a RC 20, a jamman, a RC 50 and a co= mputer) with an acoustical installation for each one, usually an open tunin= g guitar with objects (spoon, bottleneck...) and a distortion pedal, a mic = with flutes, sanza, harmonica or whatever, a light drum kit and a keyboard.= All the loopers and instruments are organized in circle on the floor, and = not synchronized. Third, they learn the functions of the loopers and practi= se (and I use a lot the principle of empty loops). I love to observe who is= comfortable with which instrument (recently, I met a 12 years girl who rev= ealed herself very pertinent on the prepared guitare and the looper, with a= very texturizing approach. A boy was, him, very attracted by the piano and= by repetitive music in major tune, so he worked on my computer with four s= ynchronized loopers). After, for small groups, they can make improvisations= following this shema : the first begins an impro and has to loop on each w= orstation, the second comes and must decrease the precedent impro to instal= l his own, and so on. After three sessions of two hours of theory and pract= ise, five chidren can create this music by their own : https://soundcloud.= com/lucidbrain-integrativeproject/the-electronical-teens-second (it's a cut= mix of a 25 minutes improvisation). The most important I think with this loop installation is to obtain indepen= dant soundfields (Rythm with the drum kit, rythm/harmony with the guitar, m= elody with the keyboards and the flutes) they can manage intuitively. Instr= uments are a necessity, most of the children are very shy with their voice. With a school class, things are more difficult. You can do a demo, a collec= tive improv but it isn't very interisting in my experience.=20 For a class of 25 pupils, I created once a video sampler. I filmed them mak= ing sounds with their voice, put the video samples in Arkaos and the week a= fter each of them improvised a few minutes with a keyboard and the projecti= on of their faces in split screen. Some were absolutely fabulous on the key= board manipulations and had never done that before. Last thing, but more easy with adults, inspired by soundpainting : I did wo= rkshop only with the voice, but I used people as looper, whispering one to= one a melody or a sound they had to sing until I changed the sound. Another method, but with adults, inspired by soundpainting : I did a choral= workshop using the singers as loopers, just whispering to each singer a m= elody or a sound in his ear he had to sing until I changed his sound. Very = fun, we wrote a libretto around aphasia and prepared a public performance d= uring two days. Well, sorry to be extensive, I really love doing that, children are very fr= esh with music, and I always dream to create some vocations and a future no= isy glitch scene here, in the middle of nowhere.=20 well, the good way to do a workshop is I suppose to be intuitive, to immers= e people quickly in creative processes and to give them methods that autho= rize them to manage their own discovery of music. Anyway, just do it, workshops are always a good experience at least for the= teatcher. Emmanuel. ----- Mail original ----- De: "Per Boysen" =C3=80: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Envoy=C3=A9: Mercredi 30 Janvier 2013 01:07:02 Objet: Re: Livelooping Workshops On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > I thought of maybe doing something interactive, like, going around with a > microphone and putting everyone's vocals or percussion into the loop ... That seems like a fun thing to do! I use to gather the people sitting on chairs in a circle around a mic that I have cabled into M=C3=B6bius. We pass around the foot pedal to loop and people can add to each others loop as layers or make a parallel loop if they like. I keep a big screen with the M=C3=B6bius GUI so everyone can see exactly what loops are running, how long they are etc. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 03:05:52 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15270183498; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 03:05:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 930940.34035.bm@omp1045.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1359515150; bh=dEe83p/TNNG3T8Ex8GD8ANesLHRzZLZHlqicDRlsspw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JhmUx1mSVK3qAtjTmoDodIc7j6LpvBeCu0wehFGYtRH3hIfQiXJMB4C/WT1Kj4zJfIYG4mr9pG790E191MrD5YAwiEatJhqa01gxjoMEGqc6AuscS228unwZ9e8XchkliK0EcooFJMqCSWZ6Etv6rV2aSl6VxskU9ctsUR3T5Uw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QKdpRCZUNlmOiko1mAhRuV8iWI7j+OWwYLm35fntTGRF4xRx53R7/pe6LUqjZlSAJV5wGS8YRTM/hrTSY6XwuS+YimHJDEOkq3L8oIhuH34jImR6cxx/NRcxlGWhJUUISTf2Uv0Fj+mesCk4CyZyWa1dIvohOmjFzpXD94qtQs4= ; X-YMail-OSG: 2gghcb8VM1nvE44yex06G3jOzXiheVpDGTflyovldpFzXpD JVx4OpdzW011fkFIcX5ohPomUK7BNvzILiBCF5d4Ip6iumSHp3OTgpEU1i4k WpRwOhEJmx_L1Zh0kM2Rz8RWKuBuREmVmnNJ0OsSBv5jOx0i9vFZ6pEW7.xA 0nI8o6ATrSailv6DOC2SpAO2AlzLnmcrnQV0a7b6L0Eqoro6vo5r1Pd4HtuI qAscLzPqIXIm1G3ZnEJ55q3ZW_HAR4mn8vS6dKSzVarRb54si6xRWHXmP0Hm Ztjd78t1kndxr3CfztPQ0QyiZ2Ne3gjqopUkgJUL9ZDPC.8lV6s7vSOftCZj agjbtw2V9UwxLvSSEp4HWP3fYpuFgEcX7Jqj52wVryf2W5nfYLeKKWWlWJlH TxCLkBTzXmzYwXK4TTVnKufEWzishJRKUo7gcI0N._ODth_d1iDV5vQetlCF KTa4PAqUw86V4dtcagJqV.SPZH5UvbCTZ9zVPcNh9vPU3WtglP7vEcW2HIoM PVPUSiS5xBsgL52UzM_s9EGT7egIdJ2GHYRmfgLugCVqjVOxZS_LTbOb1ZLX 6tepqM5bwLrbbDgcI.drJyCDRGEc- X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,d293CgoKCgo.X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KPiBGcm9tOiBLcmlzIEhhcnR1bmcgPGtyaXNwZW4uaGFydHVuZ0BnbWFpbC5jb20.Cj5UbzogTG9vcGVycy1EZWxpZ2h0QGxvb3BlcnMtZGVsaWdodC5jb20gCj5TZW50OiBUdWVzZGF5LCBKYW51YXJ5IDI5LCAyMDEzIDEyOjU2IEFNCj5TdWJqZWN0OiBSZTogZmVlZGJhY2sgaXNzdWUgd2l0aCBtaWNzIGluIGxpdmUgcGVyZm9ybWFuY2UKPiAKPlllcywgaW5kZWVkLsKgIEkndmUgc29sZCBvdXQgYW5kIGl0cyBub3cgYWxsIGFib3V0IGgBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.131.499 References: <-1990620259894250074@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <1359515150.65471.YahooMailNeo@web121605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 19:05:50 -0800 (PST) From: E Gross Reply-To: E Gross Subject: Re: feedback issue with mics in live performance To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="2053635335-1607036982-1359515150=:65471" Resent-Message-ID: <2udiMB.A.MLG.P4ICRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 03:05:52 +0000 (UTC) --2053635335-1607036982-1359515150=:65471 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wow=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A>________________________________=0A> From: Kris Hartung = =0A>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0A>= Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 12:56 AM=0A>Subject: Re: feedback issue wit= h mics in live performance=0A> =0A>Yes, indeed.=A0 I've sold out and its no= w all about hot chicks and the dance floor.=A0 LOL=0A>=0A>Check it.=A0 www.= cloudsplittermusic.com=0A>=0A>We are still doing some looping too!=A0 :-)= =0A>=0A>-----Original Message----- On 27 Jan 2013, at 19:57, Kris Hartung <= krispen.hartung@gmail.com> wrote:=0A>=0A>> I am playing EDM stuff,=0A>=0A>W= hat??? I wanna hear Kris!! =0A>=0A>=0A> --2053635335-1607036982-1359515150=:65471 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
wow
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= From: Kris Hartung <kri= spen.hartung@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 12:56 AM
Subject: Re: feedback issue with= mics in live performance

=0AYes, indeed.  I've= sold out and its now all about hot chicks and the dance floor.  LOL
Check it.  www.cloudsplittermusic.com

We are still doing some = looping too!  :-)

-----Original Message----- On 27 Jan 2013, at= 19:57, Kris Hartung <krispen.hartung@gmail.com> w= rote:

> I am playing EDM stuff,

What??? I wanna hear Kris!= !


--2053635335-1607036982-1359515150=:65471-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 04:18:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17DBA18349B; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 04:18:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=miFefS/2C+VnGw4XSFeCiHeW88d9ryBb0LqkGUkdmgU=; b=QmwVAXEetWGu2WwPA9jOjIbnZRefkZ/F1W215xx/vb1ZODB6iKayvg1U/2H9jKiXHL K1Vd6lpkKcYda8738atRKPZhNI8UWTdGiAftHYLswAvDAedtQ6W/bZxfGvFIlWzuSNd0 AMn1F7D9rXeBkhmA4CjzK4p9tyrw6genbeGkOpw8aa73aqnOaUuHQjO4+rw+m61KrYky R0UB4lMhOfRKjSEEYqVhCBgP4I40Enst82gDpTtNKY+RU82i4i3CVv/eM58jjTOLuzGq bs6yArnzXfilpfL8KOi7XoFNfDbHhdO/DFBH1jRUBzJoGxRpzXr0fGCfMblYAwMDlsK2 GPlQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.26.170 with SMTP id m10mr1131916lbg.110.1359519500456; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 20:18:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1615806613.435146889.1359509695388.JavaMail.root@zimbra67-e11.priv.proxad.net> References: <1615806613.435146889.1359509695388.JavaMail.root@zimbra67-e11.priv.proxad.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 09:48:20 +0530 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Livelooping Workshops From: Nilesh Trivedi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec554d658e3d3e604d479cc25 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 04:18:22 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec554d658e3d3e604d479cc25 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very timely discussion. I too am going to conduct a workshop on live looping at Goa (India) in March. My audience will be adults who may or may not be musicians but all these ideas are nevertheless very useful. In case anyone wants to know about this event, check this: http://www.thegoaproject.com/ cheers nilesh On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:04 AM, wrote: > I've done several workshops with young people who weren't musicians at > all, and the strategy depends of the time (one session,several...), the > number (a little group or a class), the context. First, as fabio, I alway= s > do a quick but complete presentation of the history of looping with old > videos, also speak about the digital technology, about bruitism and rando= m > methods too, and show them some videos of weird music to cause them a > radical cognitive opening about what is possible to do with the music (I > use some japanoise or strange electronic music, or pygmies, etc). Second, > for a small group, I prepare three or four loopers (I use a RC 20, a > jamman, a RC 50 and a computer) with an acoustical installation for each > one, usually an open tuning guitar with objects (spoon, bottleneck...) an= d > a distortion pedal, a mic with flutes, sanza, harmonica or whatever, a > light drum kit and a keyboard. All the loopers and instruments are > organized in circle on the floor, and not synchronized. Third, they learn > the functions of the loopers and practise (and I use a lot the principle = of > empty loops). I love to observe who is comfortable with which instrument > (recently, I met a 12 years girl who revealed herself very pertinent on t= he > prepared guitare and the looper, with a very texturizing approach. A boy > was, him, very attracted by the piano and by repetitive music in major > tune, so he worked on my computer with four synchronized loopers). After, > for small groups, they can make improvisations following this shema : the > first begins an impro and has to loop on each worstation, the second come= s > and must decrease the precedent impro to install his own, and so on. Afte= r > three sessions of two hours of theory and practise, five chidren can crea= te > this music by their own : > https://soundcloud.com/lucidbrain-integrativeproject/the-electronical-tee= ns-second(it's a cut mix of a 25 minutes improvisation). > The most important I think with this loop installation is to obtain > independant soundfields (Rythm with the drum kit, rythm/harmony with the > guitar, melody with the keyboards and the flutes) they can manage > intuitively. Instruments are a necessity, most of the children are very s= hy > with their voice. > With a school class, things are more difficult. You can do a demo, a > collective improv but it isn't very interisting in my experience. > For a class of 25 pupils, I created once a video sampler. I filmed them > making sounds with their voice, put the video samples in Arkaos and the > week after each of them improvised a few minutes with a keyboard and the > projection of their faces in split screen. Some were absolutely fabulous = on > the keyboard manipulations and had never done that before. > Last thing, but more easy with adults, inspired by soundpainting : I did > workshop only with the voice, but I used people as looper, whispering on= e > to one a melody or a sound they had to sing until I changed the sound. > Another method, but with adults, inspired by soundpainting : I did a > choral workshop using the singers as loopers, just whispering to each > singer a melody or a sound in his ear he had to sing until I changed his > sound. Very fun, we wrote a libretto around aphasia and prepared a public > performance during two days. > Well, sorry to be extensive, I really love doing that, children are very > fresh with music, and I always dream to create some vocations and a futur= e > noisy glitch scene here, in the middle of nowhere. > well, the good way to do a workshop is I suppose to be intuitive, to > immerse people quickly in creative processes and to give them methods th= at > authorize them to manage their own discovery of music. > Anyway, just do it, workshops are always a good experience at least for > the teatcher. > Emmanuel. > > ----- Mail original ----- > De: "Per Boysen" > =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Envoy=E9: Mercredi 30 Janvier 2013 01:07:02 > Objet: Re: Livelooping Workshops > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > > I thought of maybe doing something interactive, like, going around with= a > > microphone and putting everyone's vocals or percussion into the loop ..= . > > > That seems like a fun thing to do! I use to gather the people sitting > on chairs in a circle around a mic that I have cabled into M=F6bius. We > pass around the foot pedal to loop and people can add to each others > loop as layers or make a parallel loop if they like. I keep a big > screen with the M=F6bius GUI so everyone can see exactly what loops are > running, how long they are etc. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > --bcaec554d658e3d3e604d479cc25 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Very timely discussion. I too am going to c= onduct a workshop on live looping at Goa (India) in March. My audience will= be adults who may or may not be musicians but all these ideas are neverthe= less very useful.

In case anyone wants to know about this event, check this: http://www.thegoaproject.com/
cheers
nilesh



On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:04 AM, <emmanuel.reveneau@free.fr> wrote:
I've done several workshops with young people who weren't musicians= at all, and the strategy depends of the time (one session,several...), the= number (a little group or a class), the context. First, as fabio, I always= do a quick but complete presentation of the history of looping with old vi= deos, also speak about the digital technology, about bruitism and random me= thods too, and show them some videos of weird music to cause them a radical= cognitive opening about what is possible to do with the music (I use some = japanoise or strange electronic music, or pygmies, etc). Second, for a smal= l group, I prepare three or four loopers (I use a RC 20, a jamman, a RC 50 = and a computer) with an acoustical installation for each one, usually an op= en tuning guitar with objects (spoon, bottleneck...) and a distortion pedal= , a mic with flutes, sanza, harmonica or whatever, a light drum kit and a k= eyboard. All the loopers and instruments are organized in circle on the flo= or, and not synchronized. Third, they learn the functions of the loopers an= d practise (and I use a lot the principle of empty loops). I love to observ= e who is comfortable with which instrument (recently, I met a 12 years girl= who revealed herself very pertinent on the prepared guitare and the looper= , with a very texturizing approach. A boy was, him, very attracted by the p= iano and by repetitive music in major tune, so he worked on my computer wit= h four synchronized loopers). After, for small groups, they can make improv= isations following this shema : the first begins an impro and has to loop o= n each worstation, the second comes and must decrease the precedent impro t= o install his own, and so on. After three sessions of two hours of theory a= nd practise, five chidren can create this music by their own =A0: https://soundcloud.com/lucidbrain-integrativ= eproject/the-electronical-teens-second (it's a cut mix of a 25 minu= tes improvisation).
The most important I think with this loop installation is to obtain indepen= dant soundfields (Rythm with the drum kit, rythm/harmony with the guitar, m= elody with the keyboards and the flutes) they can manage intuitively. Instr= uments are a necessity, most of the children are very shy with their voice.=
With a school class, things are more difficult. You can do a demo, a collec= tive improv but it isn't very interisting in my experience.
For a class of 25 pupils, I created once a video sampler. I filmed them mak= ing sounds with their voice, put the video samples in Arkaos and the week a= fter each of them improvised a few minutes with a keyboard and the projecti= on of their faces in split screen. Some were absolutely fabulous on the key= board manipulations and had never done that before.
Last thing, but more easy with adults, inspired by soundpainting : I did wo= rkshop only with the voice, but I used people as looper, whispering =A0one = to one a melody or a sound they had to sing until I changed the sound.
Another method, but with adults, inspired by soundpainting : I did a choral= workshop using the singers as loopers, just whispering =A0to each singer a= melody or a sound in his ear he had to sing until I changed his sound. Ver= y fun, we wrote a libretto around aphasia and prepared a public performance= during two days.
Well, sorry to be extensive, I really love doing that, children are very fr= esh with music, and I always dream to create some vocations and a future no= isy glitch scene here, in the middle of nowhere.
well, the good way to do a workshop is I suppose to be intuitive, to immers= e people quickly in creative =A0processes and to give them methods that aut= horize them to manage their own discovery of music.
Anyway, just do it, workshops are always a good experience at least for the= teatcher.
Emmanuel.

----- Mail original -----
De: "Per Boysen" <perbo= ysen@gmail.com>
=C0: Loopers-Delight= @loopers-delight.com
Envoy=E9: Mercredi 30 Janvier 2013 01:07:02
Objet: Re: Livelooping Workshops

On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:
> I thought of maybe doing something interactive, like, going around wit= h a
> microphone and putting everyone's vocals or percussion into the lo= op ...


That seems like a fun thing to do! I use to gather the people sitting
on chairs in a circle around a mic that I have cabled into M=F6bius. We
pass around the foot pedal to loop and people can add to each others
loop as layers or make a parallel loop if they like. I keep a big
screen with the M=F6bius GUI so everyone can see exactly what loops are
running, how long they are etc.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen


--bcaec554d658e3d3e604d479cc25-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 06:49:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98FF418349B; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 06:49:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3611 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 06:49:56 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 00:39:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 06:49:56 +0000 (UTC) http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/business/media/streaming-shakes-up-music-industrys-model-for-royalties.html?ref=us -- -- Emile If you can walk, you can surely DANCE My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 08:11:01 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55111183498; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 08:11:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=FgBvbGvMpxjg0BiusDKbDpcHBFYaFop1QEiwtTO1w6A=; b=CE9qJUytPTDJB/9YXqlXfPs5/chZoFXUaQDTmCK+IrQETHbTP5ItFUtJDwrbB78Qts h4HMP/das5ITpGOM5UD6zKXbU4JuqgKYIwVEkmBmoRpHG/3ZusRV2tpcP+abazsHeh+I pJT1s7lttRlTqpJZ+bBm+2w2HIgdtthFrRJ5qAe5akhRSh6el9/cTO5a3evQlE12i/r+ LEWKd8Se0jQ08JCKXPJfuoSDs5FcGbG5IF2Sx2GDQlyyDfWWPzOyFF3qy8cs5BADno5t kHGZVFpWOAMxSKO0mntfoDpe+7vOe0vNLSnJ7sQeGSeuy5SxBrUHFGa6K/CM3f4cEUQ5 G90w== X-Received: by 10.66.82.200 with SMTP id k8mr9252767pay.56.1359533459702; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 00:10:59 -0800 (PST) References: <1615806613.435146889.1359509695388.JavaMail.root@zimbra67-e11.priv.proxad.net> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 09:10:52 +0100 Message-ID: <2607063147142204660@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: Livelooping Workshops To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042de595ed02f704d47d0c32 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 08:11:01 +0000 (UTC) --f46d042de595ed02f704d47d0c32 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This looks amazing Nilesh, congrats at being a part if this cool event. I have never been to India, but I have always been drawn to what I have heard about Goa, and Im not talking about the Trance music and drugs! I wish my life was such that I could be contribute to something like this, but you know... day job, bills, kids... etc Ok... maybe Im just having a "bad snow day"! (Got the car stuck in snow today!!) Regards from Oslo, Norway! Mark Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 30 Jan 2013, at 05:18, Nilesh Trivedi wrote: Very timely discussion. I too am going to conduct a workshop on live looping at Goa (India) in March. My audience will be adults who may or may not be musicians but all these ideas are nevertheless very useful. In case anyone wants to know about this event, check this: http://www.thegoaproject.com/ cheers nilesh On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:04 AM, wrote: > I've done several workshops with young people who weren't musicians at > all, and the strategy depends of the time (one session,several...), the > number (a little group or a class), the context. First, as fabio, I alway= s > do a quick but complete presentation of the history of looping with old > videos, also speak about the digital technology, about bruitism and rando= m > methods too, and show them some videos of weird music to cause them a > radical cognitive opening about what is possible to do with the music (I > use some japanoise or strange electronic music, or pygmies, etc). Second, > for a small group, I prepare three or four loopers (I use a RC 20, a > jamman, a RC 50 and a computer) with an acoustical installation for each > one, usually an open tuning guitar with objects (spoon, bottleneck...) an= d > a distortion pedal, a mic with flutes, sanza, harmonica or whatever, a > light drum kit and a keyboard. All the loopers and instruments are > organized in circle on the floor, and not synchronized. Third, they learn > the functions of the loopers and practise (and I use a lot the principle = of > empty loops). I love to observe who is comfortable with which instrument > (recently, I met a 12 years girl who revealed herself very pertinent on t= he > prepared guitare and the looper, with a very texturizing approach. A boy > was, him, very attracted by the piano and by repetitive music in major > tune, so he worked on my computer with four synchronized loopers). After, > for small groups, they can make improvisations following this shema : the > first begins an impro and has to loop on each worstation, the second come= s > and must decrease the precedent impro to install his own, and so on. Afte= r > three sessions of two hours of theory and practise, five chidren can crea= te > this music by their own : > https://soundcloud.com/lucidbrain-integrativeproject/the-electronical-tee= ns-second(it's a cut mix of a 25 minutes improvisation). > The most important I think with this loop installation is to obtain > independant soundfields (Rythm with the drum kit, rythm/harmony with the > guitar, melody with the keyboards and the flutes) they can manage > intuitively. Instruments are a necessity, most of the children are very s= hy > with their voice. > With a school class, things are more difficult. You can do a demo, a > collective improv but it isn't very interisting in my experience. > For a class of 25 pupils, I created once a video sampler. I filmed them > making sounds with their voice, put the video samples in Arkaos and the > week after each of them improvised a few minutes with a keyboard and the > projection of their faces in split screen. Some were absolutely fabulous = on > the keyboard manipulations and had never done that before. > Last thing, but more easy with adults, inspired by soundpainting : I did > workshop only with the voice, but I used people as looper, whispering on= e > to one a melody or a sound they had to sing until I changed the sound. > Another method, but with adults, inspired by soundpainting : I did a > choral workshop using the singers as loopers, just whispering to each > singer a melody or a sound in his ear he had to sing until I changed his > sound. Very fun, we wrote a libretto around aphasia and prepared a public > performance during two days. > Well, sorry to be extensive, I really love doing that, children are very > fresh with music, and I always dream to create some vocations and a futur= e > noisy glitch scene here, in the middle of nowhere. > well, the good way to do a workshop is I suppose to be intuitive, to > immerse people quickly in creative processes and to give them methods th= at > authorize them to manage their own discovery of music. > Anyway, just do it, workshops are always a good experience at least for > the teatcher. > Emmanuel. > > ----- Mail original ----- > De: "Per Boysen" > =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Envoy=E9: Mercredi 30 Janvier 2013 01:07:02 > Objet: Re: Livelooping Workshops > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > > I thought of maybe doing something interactive, like, going around with= a > > microphone and putting everyone's vocals or percussion into the loop ..= . > > > That seems like a fun thing to do! I use to gather the people sitting > on chairs in a circle around a mic that I have cabled into M=F6bius. We > pass around the foot pedal to loop and people can add to each others > loop as layers or make a parallel loop if they like. I keep a big > screen with the M=F6bius GUI so everyone can see exactly what loops are > running, how long they are etc. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > --f46d042de595ed02f704d47d0c32 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This looks amazing Nilesh, congrat= s at being a part if this cool event. I have never been to India, but I hav= e always been drawn to what I have heard about Goa, and Im not talking abou= t the Trance music and drugs!
I wish my life was such that I could be contribute to something like t= his, but you know... day job, bills, kids... etc

O= k... maybe Im just having a "bad snow day"! (Got the car stuck in= snow today!!)

Regards from Oslo, Norway!

Mar= k

Sent from my (advertisement removed)

On 30 Ja= n 2013, at 05:18, Nilesh Trivedi <nilesh.tr@gmail.com> wrote:

Ve= ry timely discussion. I too am going to conduct a workshop on live looping = at Goa (India) in March. My audience will be adults who may or may not be m= usicians but all these ideas are nevertheless very useful.

In case anyone wants to know about this event, check this: http://www.thegoaproject.com/
cheers
nilesh



On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:04 AM, <emmanuel.reveneau@free.fr> wrote:
I've done several workshops with young people who weren't musicians= at all, and the strategy depends of the time (one session,several...), the= number (a little group or a class), the context. First, as fabio, I always= do a quick but complete presentation of the history of looping with old vi= deos, also speak about the digital technology, about bruitism and random me= thods too, and show them some videos of weird music to cause them a radical= cognitive opening about what is possible to do with the music (I use some = japanoise or strange electronic music, or pygmies, etc). Second, for a smal= l group, I prepare three or four loopers (I use a RC 20, a jamman, a RC 50 = and a computer) with an acoustical installation for each one, usually an op= en tuning guitar with objects (spoon, bottleneck...) and a distortion pedal= , a mic with flutes, sanza, harmonica or whatever, a light drum kit and a k= eyboard. All the loopers and instruments are organized in circle on the flo= or, and not synchronized. Third, they learn the functions of the loopers an= d practise (and I use a lot the principle of empty loops). I love to observ= e who is comfortable with which instrument (recently, I met a 12 years girl= who revealed herself very pertinent on the prepared guitare and the looper= , with a very texturizing approach. A boy was, him, very attracted by the p= iano and by repetitive music in major tune, so he worked on my computer wit= h four synchronized loopers). After, for small groups, they can make improv= isations following this shema : the first begins an impro and has to loop o= n each worstation, the second comes and must decrease the precedent impro t= o install his own, and so on. After three sessions of two hours of theory a= nd practise, five chidren can create this music by their own =A0: https://soundcloud.com/lucidbrain-integrativ= eproject/the-electronical-teens-second (it's a cut mix of a 25 minu= tes improvisation).
The most important I think with this loop installation is to obtain indepen= dant soundfields (Rythm with the drum kit, rythm/harmony with the guitar, m= elody with the keyboards and the flutes) they can manage intuitively. Instr= uments are a necessity, most of the children are very shy with their voice.=
With a school class, things are more difficult. You can do a demo, a collec= tive improv but it isn't very interisting in my experience.
For a class of 25 pupils, I created once a video sampler. I filmed them mak= ing sounds with their voice, put the video samples in Arkaos and the week a= fter each of them improvised a few minutes with a keyboard and the projecti= on of their faces in split screen. Some were absolutely fabulous on the key= board manipulations and had never done that before.
Last thing, but more easy with adults, inspired by soundpainting : I did wo= rkshop only with the voice, but I used people as looper, whispering =A0one = to one a melody or a sound they had to sing until I changed the sound.
Another method, but with adults, inspired by soundpainting : I did a choral= workshop using the singers as loopers, just whispering =A0to each singer a= melody or a sound in his ear he had to sing until I changed his sound. Ver= y fun, we wrote a libretto around aphasia and prepared a public performance= during two days.
Well, sorry to be extensive, I really love doing that, children are very fr= esh with music, and I always dream to create some vocations and a future no= isy glitch scene here, in the middle of nowhere.
well, the good way to do a workshop is I suppose to be intuitive, to immers= e people quickly in creative =A0processes and to give them methods that aut= horize them to manage their own discovery of music.
Anyway, just do it, workshops are always a good experience at least for the= teatcher.
Emmanuel.

----- Mail original -----
De: "Per Boysen" <perbo= ysen@gmail.com>
=C0: Loopers-Delight= @loopers-delight.com
Envoy=E9: Mercredi 30 Janvier 2013 01:07:02
Objet: Re: Livelooping Workshops

On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:
> I thought of maybe doing something interactive, like, going around wit= h a
> microphone and putting everyone's vocals or percussion into the lo= op ...


That seems like a fun thing to do! I use to gather the people sitting
on chairs in a circle around a mic that I have cabled into M=F6bius. We
pass around the foot pedal to loop and people can add to each others
loop as layers or make a parallel loop if they like. I keep a big
screen with the M=F6bius GUI so everyone can see exactly what loops are
running, how long they are etc.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen


--f46d042de595ed02f704d47d0c32-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 12:32:52 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D476218349A; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:32:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <510912F4.9040003@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 04:32:52 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4es5-D.A.tjC.0LRCRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:32:52 +0000 (UTC) On 1/29/2013 9:39 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/business/media/streaming-shakes-up-music-industrys-model-for-royalties.html?ref=us > > > > *This is one of the most depressing articles I've read in a long time.** > ** > **Does anyone remember when Colonel Tom Parker was revealed to have > cut a deal with Elvis Presley ** > * *so that he would receive a usurious 50% of ALL money that Elvis made?** ** **It was unprecedented and the rest of the music business, artists and the public recoiled heavily from the news (though cynics always pointed ** **out that 50% of $40 million dollars was still vastly better than 0% of nothing).** ** **Well folks, iTunes, one of the greatest rapists of musical artistry, in the world charges 50% of ALL DOWNLOAD SALES.** ** **And they are the good guys compared to Pandora and Spotify, whose statistics make iTunes look like positive artistic ** **philanthropists.** A new paradigm of selling digital content online needs to assert itself. One that is fair to artists and all the energy and time and money they spend trying to create art for people. There are rumors of this coming. I can't wait. Rick Walker Fuck iTunes! Fuck Spotify! Fuck Pandora! Fuck the dominant paradigm that says that downloading other people's music is okay as long as you get away with it. Theft if Theft, Folks! * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 13:43:45 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF553183497; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 13:43:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 491 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 13:43:45 UTC Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0047602129==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20130130133512.11817.91358.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 08:35:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20121106; t=1359552933; bh=JFjvySKX8aC5FqNZubGzQmDb64UYzp4MeCMYE8eyLuc=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-Id:Reply-to: From:Date:To:Subject; b=iAnYFY1BO0CdfxYFmqr2jCwHR6dQWyuc4nzgWzguu+39mN7AEMVlgcwtCCjUDzPlz cvcAoZovaXrn1H4MIM2KjGYzOwsYKl4OibkpqWPGCFZ+JSWzsUU8I48lj2KZUZmTRN HrSsLMLpWRysSci2EAbEXhxs/BXDHKT0S8OYfM1CtyxwbrL6MTL1OiF4GkAIfqDgVN cOCSiNTc/9MRo2U1Jdxv61ES7MmbTE5/Xf1bKS/5OgqSpiK9zCsXFNgP8x060mt5x7 U+anZTi7zPYxywVJ/ybpvIPMTPnauWhX5O8Lw+ywm1NJt9SXfiX94pM4qnj34Ma1Ww VmDG0qJGrof4Q== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 13:43:45 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0047602129== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Why=20would=20you=20call=20Itunes=20a=20rapist?=20I=20don't=20remember=20an= =20artist=20being=20treated=20unfairly=20by=20it.=20 Free=20mp3=20sites?=20Maybe!=20But=20Itunes?=20No! Tyler=20Z On=20Wed,=2030=20Jan=202013=2004:32:52=20-0800,=20Rick=20Walker=20wrote: >On=201/29/2013=209:39=20PM,=20Emile=20Tobenfeld=20(a.k.a=20Dr.=20T)=20wrot= e: >>http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/business/media/streaming-shakes-up-musi= c-industrys-model-for-royalties.html?ref=3Dus=20 >> >> >> >> >>*This=20is=20one=20of=20the=20most=20depressing=20articles=20I've=20read= =20in=20a=20long=20time.** >>** >>**Does=20anyone=20remember=20when=20Colonel=20Tom=20Parker=20was=20reveal= ed=20to=20have=20 >>cut=20a=20deal=20with=20Elvis=20Presley=20** >>* >*so=20that=20he=20would=20receive=20a=20usurious=2050%=20of=20ALL=20money= =20that=20Elvis=20made?** >** >**It=20was=20unprecedented=20and=20the=20rest=20of=20the=20music=20busines= s,=20artists=20and=20 >the=20public=20recoiled=20heavily=20from=20the=20news=20(though=20cynics= =20always=20pointed=20** >**out=20that=2050%=20of=20$40=20million=20dollars=20was=20still=20vastly= =20better=20than=200%=20of=20 >nothing).** >** >**Well=20folks,=20=20=20iTunes,=20=20one=20of=20the=20greatest=20rapists= =20of=20musical=20 >artistry,=20in=20the=20world=20charges=2050%=20of=20ALL=20DOWNLOAD=20SALES= .** >** >**And=20they=20are=20the=20good=20guys=20compared=20to=20Pandora=20and=20S= potify,=20whose=20 >statistics=20make=20iTunes=20look=20like=20positive=20artistic=20** >**philanthropists.** > >A=20new=20paradigm=20of=20selling=20digital=20content=20online=20needs=20t= o=20assert=20 >itself.=20=20=20One=20that=20is=20fair=20to=20artists=20and=20all=20the=20= energy >and=20time=20and=20money=20they=20spend=20trying=20to=20create=20art=20for= =20people. > >There=20are=20rumors=20of=20this=20coming.=20=20=20=20I=20can't=20wait. > >Rick=20Walker >Fuck=20iTunes!=20=20=20=20Fuck=20Spotify!=20=20=20=20=20Fuck=20Pandora! >Fuck=20the=20dominant=20paradigm=20that=20says=20that=20downloading=20othe= r=20people's=20 >music=20is=20okay=20as=20long=20as=20you=20get=20away=20with=20it. >Theft=20if=20Theft,=20Folks! >* --===============0047602129==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 14:09:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 054CD183494; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 14:09:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=yKtOtRPmagxjvAz56SZzfPmNy8z3dK47DT4+SSZ+BQc=; b=i5uTZ1BZmKuF/MfFswLT0vuJylE0ux+xAiKxRuBDvWYI8gnnqAYg55npZDJcF3RtFD WlvMEs4/cK0xpftLBQTVb1Eya8JcNoytUDe/7zgjTeJ77ZgNK8VOL1Gg6AjtsC8vQ7mS eThlaU+jbZTEVi5Sf2hoL6JblcWjCgSzCkCoDysYFCL+Tk1Mq2rz+jvnkLrEhCVPOlix J/Os66d6f10IbbGS4R8IorIl1+nYDlVJE9LGHNN6PPGnWLTXMzXIZ1LjaYyn4e8BB531 ZhBUdPkyNmOheTRRIFbB/YnklvZ9Zj/86q6Hvirwozwn8fN12oFCB2c77teyGzYVqqRP ubyw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.38.69 with SMTP id e5mr3696454obk.79.1359554975093; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 06:09:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20130130133512.11817.91358.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 15:09:35 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Fwd: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <0lDL3.A.ZTD.fmSCRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 14:09:35 +0000 (UTC) My guess is that "the new paradigm" is not happening to digital sales of music but rather to cultural norms and and people's ways of relating to music. We can already see the change: fewer people value to own music like old days "collectors" did. One is not motivated to pay for music just because it is music. However, the much older role for music in the society, when music serves a specific purpose, is still being regarded as something worth to pay for. Like if you go out to dance you aren't bothered paying for an entrance ticked, or if going to a concert. An even more obvious example is the rapidly growing media that uses music for a very specific purpose - films, games, presentations - everyone today agrees to pay for this and music goes with the package. I think that we are repelling back to where it has been for most of mankind's history; music mostly exists for a specific purpose, to play a role in a specific context. The period where music was just one consumable product among others on a market is about to end. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Tyler wrote: > Why would you call Itunes a rapist? I don't remember an artist being treated unfairly by it. > Free mp3 sites? Maybe! But Itunes? No! > Tyler Z > On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 04:32:52 -0800, Rick Walker wrote: > > >>On 1/29/2013 9:39 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: >>>http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/business/media/streaming-shakes-up-music-industrys-model-for-royalties.html?ref=us >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>*This is one of the most depressing articles I've read in a long time.** >>>** >>>**Does anyone remember when Colonel Tom Parker was revealed to have >>>cut a deal with Elvis Presley ** >>>* >>*so that he would receive a usurious 50% of ALL money that Elvis made?** >>** >>**It was unprecedented and the rest of the music business, artists and >>the public recoiled heavily from the news (though cynics always pointed ** >>**out that 50% of $40 million dollars was still vastly better than 0% of >>nothing).** >>** >>**Well folks, iTunes, one of the greatest rapists of musical >>artistry, in the world charges 50% of ALL DOWNLOAD SALES.** >>** >>**And they are the good guys compared to Pandora and Spotify, whose >>statistics make iTunes look like positive artistic ** >>**philanthropists.** >> >>A new paradigm of selling digital content online needs to assert >>itself. One that is fair to artists and all the energy >>and time and money they spend trying to create art for people. >> >>There are rumors of this coming. I can't wait. >> >>Rick Walker >>Fuck iTunes! Fuck Spotify! Fuck Pandora! >>Fuck the dominant paradigm that says that downloading other people's >>music is okay as long as you get away with it. >>Theft if Theft, Folks! >>* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 15:09:29 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24FE7183497; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 15:09:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0FC1BFF5C7B94E51A1ED07147C8AE3B4@ELUS1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <510912F4.9040003@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <510912F4.9040003@cruzio.com> Subject: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 10:09:44 -0500 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 15:09:29 +0000 (UTC) Even using Pandora is a bad joke. You can select for example the "Brian Eno Channel" and expect to hear nothing but the work of the Domed One, but no! Very badly organized, you're as likely to hear Vangelis and Manheim Steamroller, for Chrissakes. They just don't get it. STILL! It's therefore evident that denizens of the music industry have infested these companies otherwise they'd be doing something with their systems besides generating income for themselves. -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 7:32 AM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com On 1/29/2013 9:39 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/business/media/streaming-shakes-up-music-industrys-model-for-royalties.html?ref=us > > > *This is one of the most depressing articles I've read in a long time.** > ** > **Does anyone remember when Colonel Tom Parker was revealed to have cut a > deal with Elvis Presley ** > * *so that he would receive a usurious 50% of ALL money that Elvis made?** ** **It was unprecedented and the rest of the music business, artists and the public recoiled heavily from the news (though cynics always pointed ** **out that 50% of $40 million dollars was still vastly better than 0% of nothing).** ** **Well folks, iTunes, one of the greatest rapists of musical artistry, in the world charges 50% of ALL DOWNLOAD SALES.** ** **And they are the good guys compared to Pandora and Spotify, whose statistics make iTunes look like positive artistic ** **philanthropists.** A new paradigm of selling digital content online needs to assert itself. One that is fair to artists and all the energy and time and money they spend trying to create art for people. There are rumors of this coming. I can't wait. Rick Walker Fuck iTunes! Fuck Spotify! Fuck Pandora! Fuck the dominant paradigm that says that downloading other people's music is okay as long as you get away with it. Theft if Theft, Folks! * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 15:16:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0407183496; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 15:16:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=AEjCNAqUzuwBsFRxTWquc++yQGnxWLUmgTmzyUZxzQ0=; b=a+91FYfS+aSKHow5lBvT/Qhaw7OcITmqdf7IjgbxRO754Jv8Xu335lMIu2mB6MxlAT mXcI6DFJUdEemIErUTBWwHYguFMx6JR9BDVHIKV8eHt91msv7WOFjd1V8+cbuFhysitd iMvMjc9lzOERU2q4/o5b/a3zLVYuie7Ouo3ncXOa62LQCfC9SZNkv4/ZWrU8zdlOIzVz ZXQt/1XcjLYeNRFKrE/wPzcXMcteWer8YLM9qriOr6dCeEUBEpFGZ7rtcCJs6tinEfYa 1btImyfcgWJIwihKrxH8AntL3ucbowzbnDP1Vu5HZc6t8ZpizN63ouuidFzvZDyYwnnr /kJw== X-Received: by 10.66.82.67 with SMTP id g3mr11923384pay.58.1359558987614; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 07:16:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <20130130133512.11817.91358.levelstar.mail@everest> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:16:07 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8hYRgpiJmxIsklC-uRNPlgVYd8Y Message-ID: Subject: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042f973282092504d482fe4f Resent-Message-ID: <4-qTvB.A.I4D.MlTCRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 15:16:28 +0000 (UTC) --f46d042f973282092504d482fe4f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 @Tyler, its us old folks who used to earn a wage from being moderately successful musicians that are moaning about its is now compared to how it used to be. The big difference between then and now is that the companies selling you music (im not talking about torrents or pirate mp3s, thats piracy, and has always been there, remember bootleg tapes?) are paying the artists infinitesimal amounts compared to what they used to. It doesnt make any sense to me that now, there are no manufacturing costs, and all marketing is vis the net, social media etc, there IS no CDs or Vinyl albums to pay for, there are no posters flyers or adverts to design and print, its all online. (I will concede that the big site probably spend millions on site development). An thats it, As Per says, the shift HAS changed, there no going back to the old days, downloads and streaming are here to stay, you might as well get used to it... BUT, and its a fucking HUGE BUTT... THERE NO REASON MUSICIANS SHOULD STAND UP FOR THIER RIGHTS!!! The record companies before, at least came from a standpoint of loving music, now the music business is being strangled by the distributors (Apple, Spotify etc) Its of course ther own fault for not jumping in quick and building their own online music services, and spent too much time stamping on Napster instead... Now the CEO of Napster is a Board member of Spotify and hes considered a legit businessman... Go figure! That is all.. Mark On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > My guess is that "the new paradigm" is not happening to digital sales > of music but rather to cultural norms and and people's ways of > relating to music. We can already see the change: fewer people value > to own music like old days "collectors" did. One is not motivated to > pay for music just because it is music. However, the much older role > for music in the society, when music serves a specific purpose, is > still being regarded as something worth to pay for. Like if you go out > to dance you aren't bothered paying for an entrance ticked, or if > going to a concert. An even more obvious example is the rapidly > growing media that uses music for a very specific purpose - films, > games, presentations - everyone today agrees to pay for this and music > goes with the package. I think that we are repelling back to where it > has been for most of mankind's history; music mostly exists for a > specific purpose, to play a role in a specific context. The period > where music was just one consumable product among others on a market > is about to end. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Tyler wrote: > > Why would you call Itunes a rapist? I don't remember an artist being > treated unfairly by it. > > Free mp3 sites? Maybe! But Itunes? No! > > Tyler Z > > On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 04:32:52 -0800, Rick Walker wrote: > > > > > >>On 1/29/2013 9:39 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: > >>> > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/business/media/streaming-shakes-up-music-industrys-model-for-royalties.html?ref=us > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>*This is one of the most depressing articles I've read in a long time.** > >>>** > >>>**Does anyone remember when Colonel Tom Parker was revealed to have > >>>cut a deal with Elvis Presley ** > >>>* > >>*so that he would receive a usurious 50% of ALL money that Elvis made?** > >>** > >>**It was unprecedented and the rest of the music business, artists and > >>the public recoiled heavily from the news (though cynics always pointed > ** > >>**out that 50% of $40 million dollars was still vastly better than 0% of > >>nothing).** > >>** > >>**Well folks, iTunes, one of the greatest rapists of musical > >>artistry, in the world charges 50% of ALL DOWNLOAD SALES.** > >>** > >>**And they are the good guys compared to Pandora and Spotify, whose > >>statistics make iTunes look like positive artistic ** > >>**philanthropists.** > >> > >>A new paradigm of selling digital content online needs to assert > >>itself. One that is fair to artists and all the energy > >>and time and money they spend trying to create art for people. > >> > >>There are rumors of this coming. I can't wait. > >> > >>Rick Walker > >>Fuck iTunes! Fuck Spotify! Fuck Pandora! > >>Fuck the dominant paradigm that says that downloading other people's > >>music is okay as long as you get away with it. > >>Theft if Theft, Folks! > >>* > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d042f973282092504d482fe4f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
@Tyler, its us old folks who used to earn a wage from bein= g=A0moderately=A0successful musicians that are moaning about its is now com= pared to how it used to be. The big difference=A0between=A0then and now is = that the companies selling you music (im not talking about torrents or pira= te mp3s, thats piracy, and has always been there, remember bootleg tapes?) = are paying the artists=A0infinitesimal=A0amounts compared to what they used= to. It doesnt make any sense to me that now, there are no manufacturing co= sts, and all marketing is vis the net, social media etc, there IS no CDs or= Vinyl albums to pay for, there are no posters flyers or adverts to design = and print, its all online. (I will concede that the big site probably spend= millions on site development). An thats it,=A0
As Per says, the shift HAS changed, there no going back to the old days, do= wnloads and streaming are here to stay, you might as well get used to it...= BUT, and its a fucking HUGE BUTT...=A0
THERE NO REASON=A0MUSICIANS=A0SH= OULD STAND UP FOR THIER RIGHTS!!!

The record companies before, at least came from a standpoint of loving = music, now the music business is being strangled by the distributors (Apple= , Spotify etc) Its of course ther own fault for not jumping in quick and bu= ilding their own online music services, and spent too much time stamping on= Napster instead... Now the CEO of Napster is a Board member of Spotify and= hes considered a legit=A0businessman... Go figure!

That is all..

Mark


On Wed, Jan 30, 2= 013 at 3:09 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
My guess is that "the new paradigm"= ; is not happening to digital sales
of music but rather to cultural norms and and people's ways of
relating to music. We can already see the change: fewer people value
to own music like old days "collectors" did. One is not motivated= to
pay for music just because it is music. However, the much older role
for music in the society, when music serves a specific purpose, is
still being regarded as something worth to pay for. Like if you go out
to dance you aren't bothered paying for an entrance ticked, or if
going to a concert. An even more obvious example is the rapidly
growing media that uses music for a very specific purpose - films,
games, presentations - everyone today agrees to pay for this and music
goes with the package. I think that we are repelling back to where it
has been for most of mankind's history; music mostly exists for a
specific purpose, to play a role in a specific context. The period
where music was just one consumable product among others on a market
is about to end.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen


On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Tyler <programmer651@comcast.net> wrote:
> Why would you call Itunes a rapist? I don't remember an artist bei= ng treated unfairly by it.
> Free mp3 sites? Maybe! But Itunes? No!
> Tyler Z
> On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 04:32:52 -0800, Rick Walker wrote:
>
>
>>On 1/29/2013 9:39 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote:
>>>http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/business/media/streaming-shak= es-up-music-industrys-model-for-royalties.html?ref=3Dus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>*This is one of the most depressing articles I've read in a= long time.**
>>>**
>>>**Does anyone remember when Colonel Tom Parker was revealed to = have
>>>cut a deal with Elvis Presley **
>>>*
>>*so that he would receive a usurious 50% of ALL money that Elvis ma= de?**
>>**
>>**It was unprecedented and the rest of the music business, artists = and
>>the public recoiled heavily from the news (though cynics always poi= nted **
>>**out that 50% of $40 million dollars was still vastly better than = 0% of
>>nothing).**
>>**
>>**Well folks, =A0 iTunes, =A0one of the greatest rapists of musical=
>>artistry, in the world charges 50% of ALL DOWNLOAD SALES.**
>>**
>>**And they are the good guys compared to Pandora and Spotify, whose=
>>statistics make iTunes look like positive artistic **
>>**philanthropists.**
>>
>>A new paradigm of selling digital content online needs to assert >>itself. =A0 One that is fair to artists and all the energy
>>and time and money they spend trying to create art for people.
>>
>>There are rumors of this coming. =A0 =A0I can't wait.
>>
>>Rick Walker
>>Fuck iTunes! =A0 =A0Fuck Spotify! =A0 =A0 Fuck Pandora!
>>Fuck the dominant paradigm that says that downloading other people&= #39;s
>>music is okay as long as you get away with it.
>>Theft if Theft, Folks!
>>*




--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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Its not the age of our fathers. Though there is much good and things we can do in the digi age like meet all of you folks that I never would known but as you so elloquintlu put, its a BIG BUTT and with anything iin our world there is a balance and too much one way generally corrupts. Jim On 1/30/13, mark francombe wrote: > @Tyler, its us old folks who used to earn a wage from > being moderately successful musicians that are moaning about its is now > compared to how it used to be. The big difference between then and now is > that the companies selling you music (im not talking about torrents or > pirate mp3s, thats piracy, and has always been there, remember bootleg > tapes?) are paying the artists infinitesimal amounts compared to what the= y > used to. It doesnt make any sense to me that now, there are no > manufacturing costs, and all marketing is vis the net, social media etc, > there IS no CDs or Vinyl albums to pay for, there are no posters flyers o= r > adverts to design and print, its all online. (I will concede that the big > site probably spend millions on site development). An thats it, > As Per says, the shift HAS changed, there no going back to the old days, > downloads and streaming are here to stay, you might as well get used to > it... BUT, and its a fucking HUGE BUTT... > THERE NO REASON MUSICIANS SHOULD STAND UP FOR THIER RIGHTS!!! > > The record companies before, at least came from a standpoint of loving > music, now the music business is being strangled by the distributors > (Apple, Spotify etc) Its of course ther own fault for not jumping in quic= k > and building their own online music services, and spent too much time > stamping on Napster instead... Now the CEO of Napster is a Board member o= f > Spotify and hes considered a legit businessman... Go figure! > > That is all.. > > Mark > > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> My guess is that "the new paradigm" is not happening to digital sales >> of music but rather to cultural norms and and people's ways of >> relating to music. We can already see the change: fewer people value >> to own music like old days "collectors" did. One is not motivated to >> pay for music just because it is music. However, the much older role >> for music in the society, when music serves a specific purpose, is >> still being regarded as something worth to pay for. Like if you go out >> to dance you aren't bothered paying for an entrance ticked, or if >> going to a concert. An even more obvious example is the rapidly >> growing media that uses music for a very specific purpose - films, >> games, presentations - everyone today agrees to pay for this and music >> goes with the package. I think that we are repelling back to where it >> has been for most of mankind's history; music mostly exists for a >> specific purpose, to play a role in a specific context. The period >> where music was just one consumable product among others on a market >> is about to end. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Tyler wrote= : >> > Why would you call Itunes a rapist? I don't remember an artist being >> treated unfairly by it. >> > Free mp3 sites? Maybe! But Itunes? No! >> > Tyler Z >> > On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 04:32:52 -0800, Rick Walker wrote: >> > >> > >> >>On 1/29/2013 9:39 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: >> >>> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/business/media/streaming-shakes-up-mus= ic-industrys-model-for-royalties.html?ref=3Dus >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>*This is one of the most depressing articles I've read in a long >> >>> time.** >> >>>** >> >>>**Does anyone remember when Colonel Tom Parker was revealed to have >> >>>cut a deal with Elvis Presley ** >> >>>* >> >>*so that he would receive a usurious 50% of ALL money that Elvis >> >> made?** >> >>** >> >>**It was unprecedented and the rest of the music business, artists and >> >>the public recoiled heavily from the news (though cynics always pointe= d >> ** >> >>**out that 50% of $40 million dollars was still vastly better than 0% >> >> of >> >>nothing).** >> >>** >> >>**Well folks, iTunes, one of the greatest rapists of musical >> >>artistry, in the world charges 50% of ALL DOWNLOAD SALES.** >> >>** >> >>**And they are the good guys compared to Pandora and Spotify, whose >> >>statistics make iTunes look like positive artistic ** >> >>**philanthropists.** >> >> >> >>A new paradigm of selling digital content online needs to assert >> >>itself. One that is fair to artists and all the energy >> >>and time and money they spend trying to create art for people. >> >> >> >>There are rumors of this coming. I can't wait. >> >> >> >>Rick Walker >> >>Fuck iTunes! Fuck Spotify! Fuck Pandora! >> >>Fuck the dominant paradigm that says that downloading other people's >> >>music is okay as long as you get away with it. >> >>Theft if Theft, Folks! >> >>* >> >> > > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > --=20 Sent from my mobile device --=20 *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism' *The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music* - 'Organically inspired New Music' *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 16:40:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3A1518349B; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=l9n1OyQlXxQu0QFKlWH6zTBgx11Q8F7+Nm4zr3DLhi8=; b=nYdYhr1z9Bfgpqj/zMpB0m8bIfJ4nCizpJ3dGlZhoh4p3BAPCuHO7UoY0t1jsCmuzW fL5ep1QweGE4od51FCteCcjHqKE4EA0KUB06zdOYC9H2pf9qHksZDq9VE9kOqLmGAH6u zDkcwErdQhQAgdaHcJ2QOkb/ALh6iq0vfJBMIzqMGVS4oRyusxgOBVxT65XlqPqicuyo uowb1oyRse7/4G3ljPJYq6idV9Y26y4/Ggr2Sk0eTfRJ6uNjIeDdb8ArfZkqTLLh1t3D Dvbj0FKfJrGC+XXg3AlqINCL+t0S6WU2VOgCerc+WRCCieaK7FC+yaUJVncuVfCszqPS 0djQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.237.5 with SMTP id uy5mr4011917igc.12.1359564054832; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 08:40:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20130130133512.11817.91358.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 08:40:54 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com From: Todd Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044787fb89a5ff04d4842c8d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:40:55 +0000 (UTC) --f46d044787fb89a5ff04d4842c8d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm thinking Eno had it right : ""I think records were just a little bubble through time and those who made a living from them for a while were lucky. There is no reason why anyone should have made so much money from selling records except that everything was right for this period of time. I always knew it would run out sooner or later. It couldn't last, and now it's running out. I don't particularly care that it is and like the way things are going. The record age was just a blip. It was a bit like if you had a source of whale blubber in the 1840s and it could be used as fuel. Before gas came along, if you traded in whale blubber, you were the richest man on Earth. Then gas came along and you'd be stuck with your whale blubber. Sorry mate =96 history's moving along. Recorded music equals whale blubber. Eventually, something else will replace it." Some suggest live performance, others working on soundtracks, etc; but fundamentally the people who purchase (or don't) something decide its value. I'm thankful for every small dollar I've made selling tunes (and it is no living at all, nor is it intended to be one), but the reality is that there are thousands of fish like me swimming in what is already a very small pond. Music is incredibly easy to distribute (got a working internet connection? DONE), and the surfeit of choice means that 'being heard' in any sense of the word is a challenge, let alone getting paid. Blaming the record industry is a fool's game-- they have always been out for themselves-- there was a *very* narrow window when you could make money off recorded music-- it's coming to an end, and the best that can be done now is to figure out how to make money from one's music in other ways. T On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:16 AM, mark francombe wro= te: > @Tyler, its us old folks who used to earn a wage from > being moderately successful musicians that are moaning about its is now > compared to how it used to be. The big difference between then and now is > that the companies selling you music (im not talking about torrents or > pirate mp3s, thats piracy, and has always been there, remember bootleg > tapes?) are paying the artists infinitesimal amounts compared to what the= y > used to. It doesnt make any sense to me that now, there are no > manufacturing costs, and all marketing is vis the net, social media etc, > there IS no CDs or Vinyl albums to pay for, there are no posters flyers o= r > adverts to design and print, its all online. (I will concede that the big > site probably spend millions on site development). An thats it, > As Per says, the shift HAS changed, there no going back to the old days, > downloads and streaming are here to stay, you might as well get used to > it... BUT, and its a fucking HUGE BUTT... > THERE NO REASON MUSICIANS SHOULD STAND UP FOR THIER RIGHTS!!! > > The record companies before, at least came from a standpoint of loving > music, now the music business is being strangled by the distributors > (Apple, Spotify etc) Its of course ther own fault for not jumping in quic= k > and building their own online music services, and spent too much time > stamping on Napster instead... Now the CEO of Napster is a Board member o= f > Spotify and hes considered a legit businessman... Go figure! > > That is all.. > > Mark > > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> My guess is that "the new paradigm" is not happening to digital sales >> of music but rather to cultural norms and and people's ways of >> relating to music. We can already see the change: fewer people value >> to own music like old days "collectors" did. One is not motivated to >> pay for music just because it is music. However, the much older role >> for music in the society, when music serves a specific purpose, is >> still being regarded as something worth to pay for. Like if you go out >> to dance you aren't bothered paying for an entrance ticked, or if >> going to a concert. An even more obvious example is the rapidly >> growing media that uses music for a very specific purpose - films, >> games, presentations - everyone today agrees to pay for this and music >> goes with the package. I think that we are repelling back to where it >> has been for most of mankind's history; music mostly exists for a >> specific purpose, to play a role in a specific context. The period >> where music was just one consumable product among others on a market >> is about to end. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Tyler wrote= : >> > Why would you call Itunes a rapist? I don't remember an artist being >> treated unfairly by it. >> > Free mp3 sites? Maybe! But Itunes? No! >> > Tyler Z >> > On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 04:32:52 -0800, Rick Walker wrote: >> > >> > >> >>On 1/29/2013 9:39 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: >> >>> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/business/media/streaming-shakes-up-mus= ic-industrys-model-for-royalties.html?ref=3Dus >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>*This is one of the most depressing articles I've read in a long >> time.** >> >>>** >> >>>**Does anyone remember when Colonel Tom Parker was revealed to have >> >>>cut a deal with Elvis Presley ** >> >>>* >> >>*so that he would receive a usurious 50% of ALL money that Elvis made?= ** >> >>** >> >>**It was unprecedented and the rest of the music business, artists and >> >>the public recoiled heavily from the news (though cynics always pointe= d >> ** >> >>**out that 50% of $40 million dollars was still vastly better than 0% = of >> >>nothing).** >> >>** >> >>**Well folks, iTunes, one of the greatest rapists of musical >> >>artistry, in the world charges 50% of ALL DOWNLOAD SALES.** >> >>** >> >>**And they are the good guys compared to Pandora and Spotify, whose >> >>statistics make iTunes look like positive artistic ** >> >>**philanthropists.** >> >> >> >>A new paradigm of selling digital content online needs to assert >> >>itself. One that is fair to artists and all the energy >> >>and time and money they spend trying to create art for people. >> >> >> >>There are rumors of this coming. I can't wait. >> >> >> >>Rick Walker >> >>Fuck iTunes! Fuck Spotify! Fuck Pandora! >> >>Fuck the dominant paradigm that says that downloading other people's >> >>music is okay as long as you get away with it. >> >>Theft if Theft, Folks! >> >>* >> >> > > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > --=20 http://toaster.bandcamp.com --f46d044787fb89a5ff04d4842c8d Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm thinking Eno had it right : ""I think records were just a little bubble thro= ugh time and those who made a living from them for a while were lucky. Ther= e is no reason why anyone should have made so much money from selling recor= ds except that everything was right for this period of time. I always knew = it would run out sooner or later. It couldn't last, and now it's ru= nning out. I don't particularly care that it is and like the way things= are going. The record age was just a blip. It was a bit like if you had a = source of whale blubber in the 1840s and it could be used as fuel. Before g= as came along, if you traded in whale blubber, you were the richest man on = Earth. Then gas came along and you'd be stuck with your whale blubber. = Sorry mate =96 history's moving along. Recorded music equals whale blub= ber. Eventually, something else will replace it."

Some suggest live performance, other= s working on soundtracks, etc; but fundamentally the people who purchase (o= r don't) something decide its value. I'm thankful for every small d= ollar I've made selling tunes (and it is no living at all, nor is it in= tended to be one), but the reality is that there are thousands of fish like= me swimming in what is already a very small pond. Music is incredibly easy= to distribute (got a working internet connection? DONE), and the surfeit o= f choice means that 'being heard' in any sense of the word is a cha= llenge, let alone getting paid. Blaming the record industry is a fool's= game-- they have always been out for themselves-- there was a *very* narro= w window when you could make money off recorded music-- it's coming to = an end, and the best that can be done now is to figure out how to make mone= y from one's music in other ways.

T=A0


On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:16 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancomb= e.com> wrote:
@Tyler, its us old folks wh= o used to earn a wage from being=A0moderately=A0successful musicians that a= re moaning about its is now compared to how it used to be. The big differen= ce=A0between=A0then and now is that the companies selling you music (im not= talking about torrents or pirate mp3s, thats piracy, and has always been t= here, remember bootleg tapes?) are paying the artists=A0infinitesimal=A0amo= unts compared to what they used to. It doesnt make any sense to me that now= , there are no manufacturing costs, and all marketing is vis the net, socia= l media etc, there IS no CDs or Vinyl albums to pay for, there are no poste= rs flyers or adverts to design and print, its all online. (I will concede t= hat the big site probably spend millions on site development). An thats it,= =A0
As Per says, the shift HAS changed, there no going back to the old days, do= wnloads and streaming are here to stay, you might as well get used to it...= BUT, and its a fucking HUGE BUTT...=A0
THERE NO REASON=A0MUSICIANS=A0SH= OULD STAND UP FOR THIER RIGHTS!!!

The record companies before, at least came from a standpoint of loving = music, now the music business is being strangled by the distributors (Apple= , Spotify etc) Its of course ther own fault for not jumping in quick and bu= ilding their own online music services, and spent too much time stamping on= Napster instead... Now the CEO of Napster is a Board member of Spotify and= hes considered a legit=A0businessman... Go figure!

That is all..

Mark


On Wed= , Jan 30, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
My guess is that "the new paradigm"= ; is not happening to digital sales
of music but rather to cultural norms and and people's ways of
relating to music. We can already see the change: fewer people value
to own music like old days "collectors" did. One is not motivated= to
pay for music just because it is music. However, the much older role
for music in the society, when music serves a specific purpose, is
still being regarded as something worth to pay for. Like if you go out
to dance you aren't bothered paying for an entrance ticked, or if
going to a concert. An even more obvious example is the rapidly
growing media that uses music for a very specific purpose - films,
games, presentations - everyone today agrees to pay for this and music
goes with the package. I think that we are repelling back to where it
has been for most of mankind's history; music mostly exists for a
specific purpose, to play a role in a specific context. The period
where music was just one consumable product among others on a market
is about to end.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen


On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Tyler <programmer651@comcast.net> wrote:
> Why would you call Itunes a rapist? I don't remember an artist bei= ng treated unfairly by it.
> Free mp3 sites? Maybe! But Itunes? No!
> Tyler Z
> On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 04:32:52 -0800, Rick Walker wrote:
>
>
>>On 1/29/2013 9:39 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote:
>>>http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/business/media/streaming-shak= es-up-music-industrys-model-for-royalties.html?ref=3Dus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>*This is one of the most depressing articles I've read in a= long time.**
>>>**
>>>**Does anyone remember when Colonel Tom Parker was revealed to = have
>>>cut a deal with Elvis Presley **
>>>*
>>*so that he would receive a usurious 50% of ALL money that Elvis ma= de?**
>>**
>>**It was unprecedented and the rest of the music business, artists = and
>>the public recoiled heavily from the news (though cynics always poi= nted **
>>**out that 50% of $40 million dollars was still vastly better than = 0% of
>>nothing).**
>>**
>>**Well folks, =A0 iTunes, =A0one of the greatest rapists of musical=
>>artistry, in the world charges 50% of ALL DOWNLOAD SALES.**
>>**
>>**And they are the good guys compared to Pandora and Spotify, whose=
>>statistics make iTunes look like positive artistic **
>>**philanthropists.**
>>
>>A new paradigm of selling digital content online needs to assert >>itself. =A0 One that is fair to artists and all the energy
>>and time and money they spend trying to create art for people.
>>
>>There are rumors of this coming. =A0 =A0I can't wait.
>>
>>Rick Walker
>>Fuck iTunes! =A0 =A0Fuck Spotify! =A0 =A0 Fuck Pandora!
>>Fuck the dominant paradigm that says that downloading other people&= #39;s
>>music is okay as long as you get away with it.
>>Theft if Theft, Folks!
>>*




<= /div>--
Mark = Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>



--
http://toaster.bandcamp.com
--f46d044787fb89a5ff04d4842c8d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 17:17:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24F20183493; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 17:17:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=trufun.com; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; bh=RvSQaKYsa3O7h8xOn/EybTXjoRnhZQLL38UwSejo+IY=; b=o7YXl84RQyxuH0xI2wZ9mTcL5DRb3fIPQ+on/cp+QhVKXcfjGduWFHpBGEiNWICEsELSGY3D2h1rZxUctU+l4Trv7RIwNvtrQv/bVIE+UFsrzNN023EiN9yBh3QePx3L; Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_EC322BF8-72AA-49EB-9CD4-FCB13F2E63B3" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com From: David Gans In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 09:17:51 -0800 Cc: David Gans Message-Id: <6FC333CC-0CF0-4056-BD56-8FFE73747670@trufun.com> References: <20130130133512.11817.91358.levelstar.mail@everest> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: vps.gdhour.com: acl_c_relayhosts_text_entry: david@trufun.com|trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <5WjtqD.A.XhF.BXVCRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 17:17:53 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_EC322BF8-72AA-49EB-9CD4-FCB13F2E63B3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Jan 30, 2013, at 8:40 AM, Todd Elliott wrote: > I'm thinking Eno had it right : ""I think records were just a little = bubble through time and those who made a living from them for a while = were lucky. There is no reason why anyone should have made so much money = from selling records except that everything was right for this period of = time. I always knew it would run out sooner or later. It couldn't last, = and now it's running out. I don't particularly care that it is and like = the way things are going. The record age was just a blip. It was a bit = like if you had a source of whale blubber in the 1840s and it could be = used as fuel. Before gas came along, if you traded in whale blubber, you = were the richest man on Earth. Then gas came along and you'd be stuck = with your whale blubber. Sorry mate =96 history's moving along. Recorded = music equals whale blubber. Eventually, something else will replace it." Yes, I always thought that remark was spot on. > Some suggest live performance, others working on soundtracks, etc; but = fundamentally the people who purchase (or don't) something decide its = value. I'm thankful for every small dollar I've made selling tunes (and = it is no living at all, nor is it intended to be one), but the reality = is that there are thousands of fish like me swimming in what is already = a very small pond. Music is incredibly easy to distribute (got a working = internet connection? DONE), and the surfeit of choice means that 'being = heard' in any sense of the word is a challenge, let alone getting paid. = Blaming the record industry is a fool's game-- they have always been out = for themselves-- there was a *very* narrow window when you could make = money off recorded music-- it's coming to an end, and the best that can = be done now is to figure out how to make money from one's music in other = ways. Exactly so.=20 Probably 90% of my music sales are at gigs. Get out there and play, and = make contact with people. David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans --Apple-Mail=_EC322BF8-72AA-49EB-9CD4-FCB13F2E63B3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
On Jan 30, 2013, at 8:40 AM, Todd = Elliott <
toddbert@gmail.com> = wrote:

I'm thinking Eno had it right : ""I = think records were just a little bubble through time and those who made = a living from them for a while were lucky. There is no reason why = anyone should have made so much money from selling records except that = everything was right for this period of time. I always knew it = would run out sooner or later. It couldn't last, and now it's running = out. I don't particularly care that it is and like the way things = are going. The record age was just a blip. It was a bit like if you had = a source of whale blubber in the 1840s and it could be used = as fuel. Before gas came along, if you traded in whale blubber, you = were the richest man on Earth. Then gas came along and you'd be stuck = with your whale blubber. Sorry mate =96 history's moving along. = Recorded music equals whale blubber. Eventually, something else will = replace it."

Yes, I always thought = that remark was spot on.


Some suggest live performance, = others working on soundtracks, etc; but fundamentally the people who = purchase (or don't) something decide its value. I'm thankful for = every small dollar I've made selling tunes (and it is no living at all, = nor is it intended to be one), but the reality is that there are = thousands of fish like me swimming in what is already a very small pond. = Music is incredibly easy to distribute (got a working = internet connection? DONE), and the surfeit of choice means that = 'being heard' in any sense of the word is a challenge, let alone getting = paid. Blaming the record industry is a fool's game-- they have = always been out for themselves-- there was a *very* narrow window when = you could make money off recorded music-- it's coming to an end, = and the best that can be done now is to figure out how to make money = from one's music in other = ways.

Exactly = so. 

Probably 90% of my music sales are at = gigs. Get out there and play, and make contact with = people.




<= br style=3D"font-size: 16px; ">David = Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
Truth and = Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730
Blog: =  http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com=
http://www.dgans.com
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/d= gans
Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans


Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:01:04 +0000 (UTC) --============_-852553639==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Except that Eno is specifically referring to records... It's not as though MUSIC isn't being consumed... At 8:40 AM -0800 1/30/13, Todd Elliott wrote: >I'm thinking Eno had it right : ""I think records were just a little >bubble through time and those who made a living from them for a >while were lucky. There is no reason why anyone should have made so >much money from selling records except that everything was right for >this period of time. I always knew it would run out sooner or later. >It couldn't last, and now it's running out. I don't particularly >care that it is and like the way things are going. The record age >was just a blip. It was a bit like if you had a source of whale >blubber in the 1840s and it could be used as fuel. Before gas came >along, if you traded in whale blubber, you were the richest man on >Earth. Then gas came along and you'd be stuck with your whale >blubber. Sorry mate - history's moving along. Recorded music equals >whale blubber. Eventually, something else will replace it." > >Some suggest live performance, others working on soundtracks, etc; >but fundamentally the people who purchase (or don't) something >decide its value. I'm thankful for every small dollar I've made >selling tunes (and it is no living at all, nor is it intended to be >one), but the reality is that there are thousands of fish like me >swimming in what is already a very small pond. Music is incredibly >easy to distribute (got a working internet connection? DONE), and >the surfeit of choice means that 'being heard' in any sense of the >word is a challenge, let alone getting paid. Blaming the record >industry is a fool's game-- they have always been out for >themselves-- there was a *very* narrow window when you could make >money off recorded music-- it's coming to an end, and the best that >can be done now is to figure out how to make money from one's music >in other ways. > >T > > >On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:16 AM, mark francombe ><mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote: > >@Tyler, its us old folks who used to earn a wage from being >moderately successful musicians that are moaning about its is now >compared to how it used to be. The big difference between then and >now is that the companies selling you music (im not talking about >torrents or pirate mp3s, thats piracy, and has always been there, >remember bootleg tapes?) are paying the artists infinitesimal >amounts compared to what they used to. It doesnt make any sense to >me that now, there are no manufacturing costs, and all marketing is >vis the net, social media etc, there IS no CDs or Vinyl albums to >pay for, there are no posters flyers or adverts to design and print, >its all online. (I will concede that the big site probably spend >millions on site development). An thats it, >As Per says, the shift HAS changed, there no going back to the old >days, downloads and streaming are here to stay, you might as well >get used to it... BUT, and its a fucking HUGE BUTT... >THERE NO REASON MUSICIANS SHOULD STAND UP FOR THIER RIGHTS!!! > >The record companies before, at least came from a standpoint of >loving music, now the music business is being strangled by the >distributors (Apple, Spotify etc) Its of course ther own fault for >not jumping in quick and building their own online music services, >and spent too much time stamping on Napster instead... Now the CEO >of Napster is a Board member of Spotify and hes considered a legit >businessman... Go figure! > >That is all.. > >Mark > > >On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Per Boysen ><perboysen@gmail.com> wrote: > >My guess is that "the new paradigm" is not happening to digital sales >of music but rather to cultural norms and and people's ways of >relating to music. We can already see the change: fewer people value >to own music like old days "collectors" did. One is not motivated to >pay for music just because it is music. However, the much older role >for music in the society, when music serves a specific purpose, is >still being regarded as something worth to pay for. Like if you go out >to dance you aren't bothered paying for an entrance ticked, or if >going to a concert. An even more obvious example is the rapidly >growing media that uses music for a very specific purpose - films, >games, presentations - everyone today agrees to pay for this and music >goes with the package. I think that we are repelling back to where it >has been for most of mankind's history; music mostly exists for a >specific purpose, to play a role in a specific context. The period >where music was just one consumable product among others on a market >is about to end. > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >www.perboysen.com >http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > >On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Tyler ><programmer651@comcast.net> wrote: >> Why would you call Itunes a rapist? I don't remember an artist >>being treated unfairly by it. >> Free mp3 sites? Maybe! But Itunes? No! >> Tyler Z >> On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 04:32:52 -0800, Rick Walker wrote: >> >> >>>On 1/29/2013 9:39 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: >>>>http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/business/media/streaming-shakes-up-music-industrys-model-for-royalties.html?ref=us >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>*This is one of the most depressing articles I've read in a long time.** >>>>** >>>>**Does anyone remember when Colonel Tom Parker was revealed to have >>>>cut a deal with Elvis Presley ** >>>>* >>>*so that he would receive a usurious 50% of ALL money that Elvis made?** >>>** >>>**It was unprecedented and the rest of the music business, artists and >>>the public recoiled heavily from the news (though cynics always pointed ** >>>**out that 50% of $40 million dollars was still vastly better than 0% of >>>nothing).** >>>** >>>**Well folks, iTunes, one of the greatest rapists of musical >>>artistry, in the world charges 50% of ALL DOWNLOAD SALES.** >>>** >>>**And they are the good guys compared to Pandora and Spotify, whose >>>statistics make iTunes look like positive artistic ** >>>**philanthropists.** >>> >>>A new paradigm of selling digital content online needs to assert >>>itself. One that is fair to artists and all the energy >>>and time and money they spend trying to create art for people. >>> >>>There are rumors of this coming. I can't wait. >>> >>>Rick Walker >>>Fuck iTunes! Fuck Spotify! Fuck Pandora! >>>Fuck the dominant paradigm that says that downloading other people's >>>music is okay as long as you get away with it. >>>Theft if Theft, Folks! >>>* > > > > >-- >Mark Francombe >www.markfrancombe.com >www.ordoabkhao.com >http://vimeo.com/user825094 >http://www.looop.no >twitter @markfrancombe >http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > > > >-- >http://toaster.bandcamp.com -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://albumcredits.com/zmix --============_-852553639==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com
Except that Eno is specifically referring to records... It's not as though MUSIC isn't being consumed...

At 8:40 AM -0800 1/30/13, Todd Elliott wrote:
I'm thinking Eno had it right : ""I think records were just a little bubble through time and those who made a living from them for a while were lucky. There is no reason why anyone should have made so much money from selling records except that everything was right for this period of time. I always knew it would run out sooner or later. It couldn't last, and now it's running out. I don't particularly care that it is and like the way things are going. The record age was just a blip. It was a bit like if you had a source of whale blubber in the 1840s and it could be used as fuel. Before gas came along, if you traded in whale blubber, you were the richest man on Earth. Then gas came along and you'd be stuck with your whale blubber. Sorry mate - history's moving along. Recorded music equals whale blubber. Eventually, something else will replace it."

Some suggest live performance, others working on soundtracks, etc; but fundamentally the people who purchase (or don't) something decide its value. I'm thankful for every small dollar I've made selling tunes (and it is no living at all, nor is it intended to be one), but the reality is that there are thousands of fish like me swimming in what is already a very small pond. Music is incredibly easy to distribute (got a working internet connection? DONE), and the surfeit of choice means that 'being heard' in any sense of the word is a challenge, let alone getting paid. Blaming the record industry is a fool's game-- they have always been out for themselves-- there was a *very* narrow window when you could make money off recorded music-- it's coming to an end, and the best that can be done now is to figure out how to make money from one's music in other ways.

T


On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:16 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
@Tyler, its us old folks who used to earn a wage from being moderately successful musicians that are moaning about its is now compared to how it used to be. The big difference between then and now is that the companies selling you music (im not talking about torrents or pirate mp3s, thats piracy, and has always been there, remember bootleg tapes?) are paying the artists infinitesimal amounts compared to what they used to. It doesnt make any sense to me that now, there are no manufacturing costs, and all marketing is vis the net, social media etc, there IS no CDs or Vinyl albums to pay for, there are no posters flyers or adverts to design and print, its all online. (I will concede that the big site probably spend millions on site development). An thats it,
As Per says, the shift HAS changed, there no going back to the old days, downloads and streaming are here to stay, you might as well get used to it... BUT, and its a fucking HUGE BUTT...
THERE NO REASON MUSICIANS SHOULD STAND UP FOR THIER RIGHTS!!!

The record companies before, at least came from a standpoint of loving music, now the music business is being strangled by the distributors (Apple, Spotify etc) Its of course ther own fault for not jumping in quick and building their own online music services, and spent too much time stamping on Napster instead... Now the CEO of Napster is a Board member of Spotify and hes considered a legit businessman... Go figure!

That is all..

Mark


On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
My guess is that "the new paradigm" is not happening to digital sales
of music but rather to cultural norms and and people's ways of
relating to music. We can already see the change: fewer people value
to own music like old days "collectors" did. One is not motivated to
pay for music just because it is music. However, the much older role
for music in the society, when music serves a specific purpose, is
still being regarded as something worth to pay for. Like if you go out
to dance you aren't bothered paying for an entrance ticked, or if
going to a concert. An even more obvious example is the rapidly
growing media that uses music for a very specific purpose - films,
games, presentations - everyone today agrees to pay for this and music
goes with the package. I think that we are repelling back to where it
has been for most of mankind's history; music mostly exists for a
specific purpose, to play a role in a specific context. The period
where music was just one consumable product among others on a market
is about to end.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen


On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Tyler <programmer651@comcast.net> wrote:
> Why would you call Itunes a rapist? I don't remember an artist being treated unfairly by it.
> Free mp3 sites? Maybe! But Itunes? No!
> Tyler Z
> On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 04:32:52 -0800, Rick Walker wrote:
>
>
>>On 1/29/2013 9:39 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote:
>>>http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/business/media/streaming-shakes-up-music-industrys-model-for-royalties.html?ref=us
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>*This is one of the most depressing articles I've read in a long time.**
>>>**
>>>**Does anyone remember when Colonel Tom Parker was revealed to have
>>>cut a deal with Elvis Presley **
>>>*
>>*so that he would receive a usurious 50% of ALL money that Elvis made?**
>>**
>>**It was unprecedented and the rest of the music business, artists and
>>the public recoiled heavily from the news (though cynics always pointed **
>>**out that 50% of $40 million dollars was still vastly better than 0% of
>>nothing).**
>>**
>>**Well folks, iTunes, one of the greatest rapists of musical
>>artistry, in the world charges 50% of ALL DOWNLOAD SALES.**
>>**
>>**And they are the good guys compared to Pandora and Spotify, whose
>>statistics make iTunes look like positive artistic **
>>**philanthropists.**
>>
>>A new paradigm of selling digital content online needs to assert
>>itself. One that is fair to artists and all the energy
>>and time and money they spend trying to create art for people.
>>
>>There are rumors of this coming. I can't wait.
>>
>>Rick Walker
>>Fuck iTunes! Fuck Spotify! Fuck Pandora!
>>Fuck the dominant paradigm that says that downloading other people's
>>music is okay as long as you get away with it.
>>Theft if Theft, Folks!
>>*



--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/



--
http://toaster.bandcamp.com


-- 

...
http://www.zmix.net

http://albumcredits.com/zmix
--============_-852553639==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 18:06:12 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8CD918349B; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:06:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=7Jzmm0PJDfK8onG1v+/dVtil0A8JNnx4CEE6M8A7nfo=; b=axnr7L+hcHLgv2eLdJ2TorVglW07mDFsN4pUIPGMXaHmlbL4F4IKeB84qiSBcCv07h BULrr4WGk6rIqw5VpIKAdnlQkMqptgl3M6eE+UnXTDxQ1sGOYERiuDNj8CwdH/oLreZn UvxAl6wqtJe62UQqVMB/1KRfhpfM01qxARIqElS2ORIZGzkRQAMNlTb+YL8ECRPw+jvH KJGXo1WifRpN8wOm1ZY8d/3PUZKxZtY6mowrIfTjjYoWUr4QZsKFZiI/RPDWyHmVjz7O n6TspUhkmNcfE1YGfzyVY5BdV/sQg+V4psBMASUIYyilGlRG6OGcb2BzTESqqfYoSC1w JgFw== X-Received: by 10.68.223.135 with SMTP id qu7mr14647255pbc.134.1359569171819; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 10:06:11 -0800 (PST) References: <20130130133512.11817.91358.levelstar.mail@everest> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:06:08 +0100 Message-ID: <-182961797866415518@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b2ee30b88ab2b04d4855d4f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:06:12 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b2ee30b88ab2b04d4855d4f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Very eloquently put Todd, but oh so very wrong :( On 30 Jan 2013, at 17:40, Todd Elliott wrote: I'm thinking Eno had it right : " Well its not really a problem for Mr Eno is it? He can well afford to be so wise and pragmatic. The stupid idea that it wasn't like this before rock n roll so it's ok that it goes back to that... the music blip thing... is silly, U don't want whale blubber again surely? ( nice analogy BTW) We had something in the 60s70s and 80's even the 90's... sure there were some fat cats earning stupid money, hell there still is, but many many many bands who were out and about earning a bit above minimum wage, were touring recording and living, yes living off music. Why? because the cuts were ok, not great, but ok. An artist could expect to make 13% of an album, now it's more like .03%!!! All in saying is that sure times change, but why ACCEPT being ripped off by the distributors... And I never EVER criticized the music biz... it's the Sellers (Apple and Spotify exemplify these) who never EVER take any initiative to find new music, develop artists, work with artists to get them heard... nothing.. they just TAKE, cos theres nothing else.... That CAN change, we did it in 1976 with punk for a while... we can do it again... Boycott Spotify, Use bandcamp or CDBaby... You have a choice... it ain't over till the fat lady puts her song on iTunes. M -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > --047d7b2ee30b88ab2b04d4855d4f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Very eloquently put Todd, but oh s= o very wrong
:(

On 30 Jan 2013, at 17:40, Todd = Elliott <toddbert@gmail.com>= ; wrote:

I'm thinking Eno had it right = : "

Well its not really a proble= m for Mr Eno is it? He can well afford to be so wise and pragmatic.=A0
The stupid idea that it wasn't like this before rock n roll so it&= #39;s ok that it goes back to that... the music blip thing... is silly, U d= on't want whale blubber again surely? ( nice analogy BTW)=A0
We had something in the 60s70s and 80's even the 90's... sure there= were some fat cats earning stupid money, hell there still is, but many man= y many bands who were out and about earning a bit above minimum wage, were = touring recording and living, yes living off music. Why? because the cuts w= ere ok, not great, but ok. An artist could expect to make 13% of an album, = now it's more like .03%!!!=A0
All in saying is that sure times change, but why ACCEPT being ripped o= ff by the distributors...

And I never EVER critici= zed the music biz... it's the Sellers (Apple and Spotify exemplify thes= e) who never EVER take any initiative to find new music, develop artists, w= ork with artists to get them heard... nothing.. they just TAKE, cos theres = nothing else....
That CAN change, we did it in 1976 with punk for a while... we can do = it again... Boycott Spotify, Use bandcamp or CDBaby...=A0
You hav= e a choice... it ain't over till the fat lady puts her song on iTunes.<= /div>


M

=A0
--047d7b2ee30b88ab2b04d4855d4f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 18:23:18 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 994BE183499; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:23:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1359570197-0378c35d8a2454720001-hGRpYp X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: HDean@wcupa.edu X-Barracuda-Apparent-Source-IP: 144.26.0.90 X-ASG-Whitelist: Client From: "Dean, Hal" To: Todd Elliott , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com Thread-Topic: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com X-ASG-Orig-Subj: RE: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com Thread-Index: AQHN/xPHNz19YxbBuES7DI8L/Mb9e5hiKntg Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:23:16 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.28.73.115] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_F3758BD5E05F2049BBC449788EC936AF1799D7C4WCUXCH07PASSHEL_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Barracuda-Connect: wcu-xch-06.wcupa.edu[144.26.0.90] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1359570197 X-Barracuda-Encrypted: AES128-SHA X-Barracuda-URL: http://SPAMCONTROL.WCUPA.EDU:80/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at WCUPA.EDU Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:23:18 +0000 (UTC) --_000_F3758BD5E05F2049BBC449788EC936AF1799D7C4WCUXCH07PASSHEL_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eno is not god despite our occasional stabs at setting him up as one. I fin= d his analogy not apt. The guys "making" whale blubber were not going to persist in doing it once = the market caved, and no one would continue to be interested in their produ= ct. If the analogy is to the selling of recordings, not records. i.e. not t= o a physical product necessarily, then one must point out that the workers = do continue to be interested in the making (that would be everyone reading = this), and there continues to be a pool of folks interested in the results. I don't think it is entirely true that the people who purchase decide value= . I'm no economist, but surely the economy of music distribution has an ele= ment of the "race to the bottom" about it. Amazon's bending of the publish= ing world to its will is a parallel that has received a lot of attention - = the real sufferers there are authors. BTW, to the extent that theft is a "= purchase", then the value is zero. Hmm. But Per makes a compelling case for what I've seen Chris Cutler call a "pos= t-musical" world... well, maybe that isn't what Chris means by the term, bu= t it sounds good... I have not really thought much about that. If that is w= here we are headed or have arrived, I will hope there remains a market at l= east sufficient to support the undeniable geniuses of the world. I will nev= er see Robert Wyatt perform, and probably never see a movie with a soundtra= ck he did, but I sure would like to hear some new whale blubber from him. Hal Dean From: Todd Elliott [mailto:toddbert@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:41 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com I'm thinking Eno had it right : ""I think records were just a little bubble= through time and those who made a living from them for a while were lucky.= There is no reason why anyone should have made so much money from selling = records except that everything was right for this period of time. I always = knew it would run out sooner or later. It couldn't last, and now it's runni= ng out. I don't particularly care that it is and like the way things are go= ing. The record age was just a blip. It was a bit like if you had a source = of whale blubber in the 1840s and it could be used as fuel. Before gas came= along, if you traded in whale blubber, you were the richest man on Earth. = Then gas came along and you'd be stuck with your whale blubber. Sorry mate = - history's moving along. Recorded music equals whale blubber. Eventually, = something else will replace it." Some suggest live performance, others working on soundtracks, etc; but fund= amentally the people who purchase (or don't) something decide its value. I'= m thankful for every small dollar I've made selling tunes (and it is no liv= ing at all, nor is it intended to be one), but the reality is that there ar= e thousands of fish like me swimming in what is already a very small pond. = Music is incredibly easy to distribute (got a working internet connection? = DONE), and the surfeit of choice means that 'being heard' in any sense of t= he word is a challenge, let alone getting paid. Blaming the record industry= is a fool's game-- they have always been out for themselves-- there was a = *very* narrow window when you could make money off recorded music-- it's co= ming to an end, and the best that can be done now is to figure out how to m= ake money from one's music in other ways. T On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:16 AM, mark francombe > wrote: @Tyler, its us old folks who used to earn a wage from being moderately succ= essful musicians that are moaning about its is now compared to how it used = to be. The big difference between then and now is that the companies sellin= g you music (im not talking about torrents or pirate mp3s, thats piracy, an= d has always been there, remember bootleg tapes?) are paying the artists in= finitesimal amounts compared to what they used to. It doesnt make any sense= to me that now, there are no manufacturing costs, and all marketing is vis= the net, social media etc, there IS no CDs or Vinyl albums to pay for, the= re are no posters flyers or adverts to design and print, its all online. (I= will concede that the big site probably spend millions on site development= ). An thats it, As Per says, the shift HAS changed, there no going back to the old days, do= wnloads and streaming are here to stay, you might as well get used to it...= BUT, and its a fucking HUGE BUTT... THERE NO REASON MUSICIANS SHOULD STAND UP FOR THIER RIGHTS!!! The record companies before, at least came from a standpoint of loving musi= c, now the music business is being strangled by the distributors (Apple, Sp= otify etc) Its of course ther own fault for not jumping in quick and buildi= ng their own online music services, and spent too much time stamping on Nap= ster instead... Now the CEO of Napster is a Board member of Spotify and hes= considered a legit businessman... Go figure! That is all.. Mark On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Per Boysen > wrote: My guess is that "the new paradigm" is not happening to digital sales of music but rather to cultural norms and and people's ways of relating to music. We can already see the change: fewer people value to own music like old days "collectors" did. One is not motivated to pay for music just because it is music. However, the much older role for music in the society, when music serves a specific purpose, is still being regarded as something worth to pay for. Like if you go out to dance you aren't bothered paying for an entrance ticked, or if going to a concert. An even more obvious example is the rapidly growing media that uses music for a very specific purpose - films, games, presentations - everyone today agrees to pay for this and music goes with the package. I think that we are repelling back to where it has been for most of mankind's history; music mostly exists for a specific purpose, to play a role in a specific context. The period where music was just one consumable product among others on a market is about to end. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Tyler > wrote: > Why would you call Itunes a rapist? I don't remember an artist being trea= ted unfairly by it. > Free mp3 sites? Maybe! But Itunes? No! > Tyler Z > On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 04:32:52 -0800, Rick Walker wrote: > > >>On 1/29/2013 9:39 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: >>>http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/business/media/streaming-shakes-up-mus= ic-industrys-model-for-royalties.html?ref=3Dus >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>*This is one of the most depressing articles I've read in a long time.** >>>** >>>**Does anyone remember when Colonel Tom Parker was revealed to have >>>cut a deal with Elvis Presley ** >>>* >>*so that he would receive a usurious 50% of ALL money that Elvis made?** >>** >>**It was unprecedented and the rest of the music business, artists and >>the public recoiled heavily from the news (though cynics always pointed *= * >>**out that 50% of $40 million dollars was still vastly better than 0% of >>nothing).** >>** >>**Well folks, iTunes, one of the greatest rapists of musical >>artistry, in the world charges 50% of ALL DOWNLOAD SALES.** >>** >>**And they are the good guys compared to Pandora and Spotify, whose >>statistics make iTunes look like positive artistic ** >>**philanthropists.** >> >>A new paradigm of selling digital content online needs to assert >>itself. One that is fair to artists and all the energy >>and time and money they spend trying to create art for people. >> >>There are rumors of this coming. I can't wait. >> >>Rick Walker >>Fuck iTunes! Fuck Spotify! Fuck Pandora! >>Fuck the dominant paradigm that says that downloading other people's >>music is okay as long as you get away with it. >>Theft if Theft, Folks! >>* -- Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ -- http://toaster.bandcamp.com --_000_F3758BD5E05F2049BBC449788EC936AF1799D7C4WCUXCH07PASSHEL_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Eno is not god despite ou= r occasional stabs at setting him up as one. I find his analogy not apt.

 <= /p>

The guys “making= 221; whale blubber were not going to persist in doing it once the market ca= ved, and no one would continue to be interested in their product. If the analogy is to the selling of recordings, not records. i.e. not to a ph= ysical product necessarily, then one must point out that the workers do con= tinue to be interested in the making (that would be everyone reading this),= and there continues to be a pool of folks interested in the results.

 <= /p>

I don’t think it is= entirely true that the people who purchase decide value. I’m no econ= omist, but surely the economy of music distribution has an element of the “race to the bottom” about it.  Amazon’s bendin= g of the publishing world to its will is a parallel that has received a lot= of attention – the real sufferers there are authors.  BTW, to t= he extent that theft is a “purchase”, then the value is zero.&n= bsp; Hmm.

 <= /p>

But Per makes a compellin= g case for what I’ve seen Chris Cutler call a “post-musicalR= 21; world… well, maybe that isn’t what Chris means by the term,= but it sounds good… I have not really thought much about that. If that is where we= are headed or have arrived, I will hope there remains a market at least su= fficient to support the undeniable geniuses of the world. I will never see = Robert Wyatt perform, and probably never see a movie with a soundtrack he did, but I sure would like to hear some n= ew whale blubber from him.

 <= /p>

Hal Dean

 <= /p>

From: Todd Ell= iott [mailto:toddbert@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:41 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com=

 

I'm thinking Eno had it right : ""I think records were just a little bubble= through time and those who made a living from them for a while were lucky. There is no reason why anyone should have made so much money from s= elling records except that everything was right for this period of time. I = always knew it would run out sooner or later. It couldn't last, and now it'= s running out. I don't particularly care that it is and like the way things are going. The record age was just= a blip. It was a bit like if you had a source of whale blubber in the 1840= s and it could be used as fuel. Before gas came along, if you traded in wha= le blubber, you were the richest man on Earth. Then gas came along and you'd be stuck with your whale blubb= er. Sorry mate – history's moving along. Recorded music equals whale = blubber. Eventually, something else will replace it."

 

Some suggest live performan= ce, others working on soundtracks, etc; but fundamentally the people who pu= rchase (or don't) something decide its value. I'm thankful for every small dollar I've made selling tunes (and it is no living at all= , nor is it intended to be one), but the reality is that there are thousand= s of fish like me swimming in what is already a very small pond. Music is i= ncredibly easy to distribute (got a working internet connection? DONE), and the surfeit of choice means that= 'being heard' in any sense of the word is a challenge, let alone getting p= aid. Blaming the record industry is a fool's game-- they have always been o= ut for themselves-- there was a *very* narrow window when you could make money off recorded music-- it's c= oming to an end, and the best that can be done now is to figure out how to = make money from one's music in other ways.

 

 

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:16 AM, mark francombe <= mark@markfranco= mbe.com> wrote:

@Tyler, its us old folks who used to earn a wage fro= m being moderately successful musicians that are moaning about it= s is now compared to how it used to be. The big difference between&nbs= p;then and now is that the companies selling you music (im not talking about torrents or pirate mp3s, thats piracy, and has alway= s been there, remember bootleg tapes?) are paying the artists infinite= simal amounts compared to what they used to. It doesnt make any sense = to me that now, there are no manufacturing costs, and all marketing is vis the net, social media etc, there IS no CDs= or Vinyl albums to pay for, there are no posters flyers or adverts to desi= gn and print, its all online. (I will concede that the big site probably sp= end millions on site development). An thats it, 

As Per says, the shift HAS changed, there no going b= ack to the old days, downloads and streaming are here to stay, you might as= well get used to it... BUT, and its a fucking HUGE BUTT... 
THERE NO REASON MUSICIANS SHOULD STAND UP FOR THIER RIGHTS!!!

The record companies before, at least came from a standpoint of loving musi= c, now the music business is being strangled by the distributors (Apple, Sp= otify etc) Its of course ther own fault for not jumping in quick and buildi= ng their own online music services, and spent too much time stamping on Napster instead... Now the CEO of Naps= ter is a Board member of Spotify and hes considered a legit businessma= n... Go figure!

That is all..

 

Mark

 

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

My guess is that "the new paradigm" is not= happening to digital sales
of music but rather to cultural norms and and people's ways of
relating to music. We can already see the change: fewer people value
to own music like old days "collectors" did. One is not motivated= to
pay for music just because it is music. However, the much older role
for music in the society, when music serves a specific purpose, is
still being regarded as something worth to pay for. Like if you go out
to dance you aren't bothered paying for an entrance ticked, or if
going to a concert. An even more obvious example is the rapidly
growing media that uses music for a very specific purpose - films,
games, presentations - everyone today agrees to pay for this and music
goes with the package. I think that we are repelling back to where it
has been for most of mankind's history; music mostly exists for a
specific purpose, to play a role in a specific context. The period
where music was just one consumable product among others on a market
is about to end.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen



On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Tyler <programmer651@comcast.net> wrote:
> Why would you call Itunes a rapist? I don't remember an artist being t= reated unfairly by it.
> Free mp3 sites? Maybe! But Itunes? No!
> Tyler Z
> On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 04:32:52 -0800, Rick Walker wrote:
>
>
>>On 1/29/2013 9:39 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote:
>>>http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/business/media/streaming-shak= es-up-music-industrys-model-for-royalties.html?ref=3Dus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>*This is one of the most depressing articles I've read in a lon= g time.**
>>>**
>>>**Does anyone remember when Colonel Tom Parker was revealed to = have
>>>cut a deal with Elvis Presley **
>>>*
>>*so that he would receive a usurious 50% of ALL money that Elvis ma= de?**
>>**
>>**It was unprecedented and the rest of the music business, artists = and
>>the public recoiled heavily from the news (though cynics always poi= nted **
>>**out that 50% of $40 million dollars was still vastly better than = 0% of
>>nothing).**
>>**
>>**Well folks,   iTunes,  one of the greatest rapists of m= usical
>>artistry, in the world charges 50% of ALL DOWNLOAD SALES.**
>>**
>>**And they are the good guys compared to Pandora and Spotify, whose=
>>statistics make iTunes look like positive artistic **
>>**philanthropists.**
>>
>>A new paradigm of selling digital content online needs to assert >>itself.   One that is fair to artists and all the energy
>>and time and money they spend trying to create art for people.
>>
>>There are rumors of this coming.    I can't wait.
>>
>>Rick Walker
>>Fuck iTunes!    Fuck Spotify!     Fuck Pandora!=
>>Fuck the dominant paradigm that says that downloading other people'= s
>>music is okay as long as you get away with it.
>>Theft if Theft, Folks!
>>*



 

--
Mark Francombe<= br> www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/<= /span>



 

--
http://toaster.ba= ndcamp.com

--_000_F3758BD5E05F2049BBC449788EC936AF1799D7C4WCUXCH07PASSHEL_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 18:26:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED1EB18349A; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:26:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1359570365-0378c3639467520001-hGRpYp X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: HDean@wcupa.edu X-Barracuda-Apparent-Source-IP: 144.26.0.85 X-ASG-Whitelist: Client From: "Dean, Hal" To: Charles Zwicky , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com Thread-Topic: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com X-ASG-Orig-Subj: RE: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com Thread-Index: AQHN/xbiNz19YxbBuES7DI8L/Mb9e5hiMA/A Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:26:04 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.28.73.115] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_F3758BD5E05F2049BBC449788EC936AF1799D7F1WCUXCH07PASSHEL_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Barracuda-Connect: wcu-xch-01.wcupa.edu[144.26.0.85] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1359570365 X-Barracuda-Encrypted: AES128-SHA X-Barracuda-URL: http://SPAMCONTROL.WCUPA.EDU:80/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at WCUPA.EDU Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:26:05 +0000 (UTC) --_000_F3758BD5E05F2049BBC449788EC936AF1799D7F1WCUXCH07PASSHEL_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, the quote says "Recorded music...". Charles is right. And rave on Mark. Hal Dean From: Charles Zwicky [mailto:cazwicky@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:58 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com Except that Eno is specifically referring to records... It's not as though = MUSIC isn't being consumed... At 8:40 AM -0800 1/30/13, Todd Elliott wrote: I'm thinking Eno had it right : ""I think records were just a little bubble= through time and those who made a living from them for a while were lucky.= There is no reason why anyone should have made so much money from selling = records except that everything was right for this period of time. I always = knew it would run out sooner or later. It couldn't last, and now it's runni= ng out. I don't particularly care that it is and like the way things are go= ing. The record age was just a blip. It was a bit like if you had a source = of whale blubber in the 1840s and it could be used as fuel. Before gas came= along, if you traded in whale blubber, you were the richest man on Earth. = Then gas came along and you'd be stuck with your whale blubber. Sorry mate = - history's moving along. Recorded music equals whale blubber. Eventually, = something else will replace it." Some suggest live performance, others working on soundtracks, etc; but fund= amentally the people who purchase (or don't) something decide its value. I'= m thankful for every small dollar I've made selling tunes (and it is no liv= ing at all, nor is it intended to be one), but the reality is that there ar= e thousands of fish like me swimming in what is already a very small pond. = Music is incredibly easy to distribute (got a working internet connection? = DONE), and the surfeit of choice means that 'being heard' in any sense of t= he word is a challenge, let alone getting paid. Blaming the record industry= is a fool's game-- they have always been out for themselves-- there was a = *very* narrow window when you could make money off recorded music-- it's co= ming to an end, and the best that can be done now is to figure out how to m= ake money from one's music in other ways. T On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:16 AM, mark francombe > wrote: @Tyler, its us old folks who used to earn a wage from being moderately succ= essful musicians that are moaning about its is now compared to how it used = to be. The big difference between then and now is that the companies sellin= g you music (im not talking about torrents or pirate mp3s, thats piracy, an= d has always been there, remember bootleg tapes?) are paying the artists in= finitesimal amounts compared to what they used to. It doesnt make any sense= to me that now, there are no manufacturing costs, and all marketing is vis= the net, social media etc, there IS no CDs or Vinyl albums to pay for, the= re are no posters flyers or adverts to design and print, its all online. (I= will concede that the big site probably spend millions on site development= ). An thats it, As Per says, the shift HAS changed, there no going back to the old days, do= wnloads and streaming are here to stay, you might as well get used to it...= BUT, and its a fucking HUGE BUTT... THERE NO REASON MUSICIANS SHOULD STAND UP FOR THIER RIGHTS!!! The record companies before, at least came from a standpoint of loving musi= c, now the music business is being strangled by the distributors (Apple, Sp= otify etc) Its of course ther own fault for not jumping in quick and buildi= ng their own online music services, and spent too much time stamping on Nap= ster instead... Now the CEO of Napster is a Board member of Spotify and hes= considered a legit businessman... Go figure! That is all.. Mark On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Per Boysen > wrote: My guess is that "the new paradigm" is not happening to digital sales of music but rather to cultural norms and and people's ways of relating to music. We can already see the change: fewer people value to own music like old days "collectors" did. One is not motivated to pay for music just because it is music. However, the much older role for music in the society, when music serves a specific purpose, is still being regarded as something worth to pay for. Like if you go out to dance you aren't bothered paying for an entrance ticked, or if going to a concert. An even more obvious example is the rapidly growing media that uses music for a very specific purpose - films, games, presentations - everyone today agrees to pay for this and music goes with the package. I think that we are repelling back to where it has been for most of mankind's history; music mostly exists for a specific purpose, to play a role in a specific context. The period where music was just one consumable product among others on a market is about to end. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Tyler > wrote: > Why would you call Itunes a rapist? I don't remember an artist being trea= ted unfairly by it. > Free mp3 sites? Maybe! But Itunes? No! > Tyler Z > On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 04:32:52 -0800, Rick Walker wrote: > > >>On 1/29/2013 9:39 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: >>>http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/business/media/streaming-shakes-up-mus= ic-industrys-model-for-royalties.html?ref=3Dus >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>*This is one of the most depressing articles I've read in a long time.** >>>** >>>**Does anyone remember when Colonel Tom Parker was revealed to have >>>cut a deal with Elvis Presley ** >>>* >>*so that he would receive a usurious 50% of ALL money that Elvis made?** >>** >>**It was unprecedented and the rest of the music business, artists and >>the public recoiled heavily from the news (though cynics always pointed *= * >>**out that 50% of $40 million dollars was still vastly better than 0% of >>nothing).** >>** >>**Well folks, iTunes, one of the greatest rapists of musical >>artistry, in the world charges 50% of ALL DOWNLOAD SALES.** >>** >>**And they are the good guys compared to Pandora and Spotify, whose >>statistics make iTunes look like positive artistic ** >>**philanthropists.** >> >>A new paradigm of selling digital content online needs to assert >>itself. One that is fair to artists and all the energy >>and time and money they spend trying to create art for people. >> >>There are rumors of this coming. I can't wait. >> >>Rick Walker >>Fuck iTunes! Fuck Spotify! Fuck Pandora! >>Fuck the dominant paradigm that says that downloading other people's >>music is okay as long as you get away with it. >>Theft if Theft, Folks! >>* -- Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ -- http://toaster.bandcamp.com -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://albumcredits.com/zmix --_000_F3758BD5E05F2049BBC449788EC936AF1799D7F1WCUXCH07PASSHEL_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com

Well, the quote says R= 20;Recorded music…”.

 

Charles is right. And rave on Mark.

 <= /p>

Hal Dean

 =

From: Charles = Zwicky [mailto:cazwicky@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:58 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com=

 

Except that Eno is specifically referring to records= ... It's not as though MUSIC isn't being consumed...

 

At 8:40 AM -0800 1/30/13, Todd Elliott wrote:

I'm thinking Eno had it right : ""I think = records were just a little bubble through time and those who made a living = from them for a while were lucky. There is no reason why anyone should have= made so much money from selling records except that everything was right for this period of time. I always knew it would = run out sooner or later. It couldn't last, and now it's running out. I don'= t particularly care that it is and like the way things are going. The recor= d age was just a blip. It was a bit like if you had a source of whale blubber in the 1840s and it could be= used as fuel. Before gas came along, if you traded in whale blubber, you w= ere the richest man on Earth. Then gas came along and you'd be stuck with y= our whale blubber. Sorry mate - history's moving along. Recorded music equals whale blubber. Eventually, s= omething else will replace it."

 

Some suggest live performance, others workin= g on soundtracks, etc; but fundamentally the people who purchase (or don't)= something decide its value. I'm thankful for every small dollar I've made selling tunes (and it is no living at all, nor is it inte= nded to be one), but the reality is that there are thousands of fish like m= e swimming in what is already a very small pond. Music is incredibly easy t= o distribute (got a working internet connection? DONE), and the surfeit of choice means that 'being heard' in a= ny sense of the word is a challenge, let alone getting paid. Blaming the re= cord industry is a fool's game-- they have always been out for themselves--= there was a *very* narrow window when you could make money off recorded music-- it's coming to an end, and = the best that can be done now is to figure out how to make money from one's= music in other ways.

 

T

 

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:16 AM, mark francombe <= mark@markfrancombe.com> wr= ote:

@Tyler, its us old folks who used to earn a wage fro= m being moderately successful musicians that are moaning about its is now c= ompared to how it used to be. The big difference between then and now is th= at the companies selling you music (im not talking about torrents or pirate mp3s, thats piracy, and has alway= s been there, remember bootleg tapes?) are paying the artists infinitesimal= amounts compared to what they used to. It doesnt make any sense to me that= now, there are no manufacturing costs, and all marketing is vis the net, social media etc, there IS no CDs= or Vinyl albums to pay for, there are no posters flyers or adverts to desi= gn and print, its all online. (I will concede that the big site probably sp= end millions on site development). An thats it,

As Per says, the shift HAS changed, there no going b= ack to the old days, downloads and streaming are here to stay, you might as= well get used to it... BUT, and its a fucking HUGE BUTT...
THERE NO REASON MUSICIANS SHOULD STAND UP FOR THIER RIGHTS!!!

The record companies before, at least came from a standpoint of loving musi= c, now the music business is being strangled by the distributors (Apple, Sp= otify etc) Its of course ther own fault for not jumping in quick and buildi= ng their own online music services, and spent too much time stamping on Napster instead... Now the CEO of Naps= ter is a Board member of Spotify and hes considered a legit businessman... = Go figure!

That is all..

 

Mark

 

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:<= /o:p>

My guess is that "the new paradigm" is not= happening to digital sales
of music but rather to cultural norms and and people's ways of
relating to music. We can already see the change: fewer people value
to own music like old days "collectors" did. One is not motivated= to
pay for music just because it is music. However, the much older role
for music in the society, when music serves a specific purpose, is

still being regarded as something worth to pay for. = Like if you go out
to dance you aren't bothered paying for an entrance ticked, or if
going to a concert. An even more obvious example is the rapidly
growing media that uses music for a very specific purpose - films,
games, presentations - everyone today agrees to pay for this and music
goes with the package. I think that we are repelling back to where it
has been for most of mankind's history; music mostly exists for a
specific purpose, to play a role in a specific context. The period
where music was just one consumable product among others on a market
is about to end.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
w= ww.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen



On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Tyler <programmer651@comcast.net> wrote:
> Why would you call Itunes a rapist? I don't remember an artist being t= reated unfairly by it.
> Free mp3 sites? Maybe! But Itunes? No!
> Tyler Z
> On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 04:32:52 -0800, Rick Walker wrote:
>
>
>>On 1/29/2013 9:39 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote:
>>>http://= www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/business/media/streaming-shakes-up-music-industr= ys-model-for-royalties.html?ref=3Dus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>*This is one of the most depressing articles I've read in a lon= g time.**
>>>**
>>>**Does anyone remember when Colonel Tom Parker was revealed to = have
>>>cut a deal with Elvis Presley **
>>>*
>>*so that he would receive a usurious 50% of ALL money that Elvis ma= de?**
>>**
>>**It was unprecedented and the rest of the music business, artists = and
>>the public recoiled heavily from the news (though cynics always poi= nted **
>>**out that 50% of $40 million dollars was still vastly better than = 0% of
>>nothing).**
>>**
>>**Well folks, iTunes, one of the greatest rapists of musical
>>artistry, in the world charges 50% of ALL DOWNLOAD SALES.**
>>**
>>**And they are the good guys compared to Pandora and Spotify, whose=
>>statistics make iTunes look like positive artistic **
>>**philanthropists.**
>>
>>A new paradigm of selling digital content online needs to assert >>itself. One that is fair to artists and all the energy
>>and time and money they spend trying to create art for people.
>>
>>There are rumors of this coming. I can't wait.
>>
>>Rick Walker
>>Fuck iTunes! Fuck Spotify! Fuck Pandora!
>>Fuck the dominant paradigm that says that downloading other people'= s
>>music is okay as long as you get away with it.
>>Theft if Theft, Folks!
>>*

 

 

--
Mark Francombe<= /span>
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N0= 0/

 

 

--
http://toaster.bandcamp.com

 

 

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--_000_F3758BD5E05F2049BBC449788EC936AF1799D7F1WCUXCH07PASSHEL_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 18:55:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E73A3183498; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:55:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 171225 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:55:18 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=IGd+Rn8O/0IBS15QA9rwteeCO6bCz2BmyLfoPvYzJTE=; b=cw81KCemmYmx/LbDkFHz3eySIrk6x8oyk7LdR/2xYBkmrOLCk06JEZMoJSRgMagv88 0FweCz8uxz36qshCT9sp57qb4ZUr7pQeBZa0hvzt6P/v/PAmQZJs2rN1p4fLGEcRG2WL p7eu9/CDsxP6r6BINH3ARBAoCW9zmgmAWzeXPpKNq9/YgLZWBGvbQ4K1Q9hoZW89dWC3 tRlxdB+neW/2OaNpnZcPieGfRLws3+dbgyP9/HfQuei5dYrcL19nfp/RF2TNdB+5rdWs J0yprkqOpyvYcyD9C9EZGV2Ru71kX81f2Q7a+urwM3K5SSE7CnKBR9jl1JhDW4QIX5Yb JKcA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.26.142 with SMTP id f14mr2501453icc.38.1359572117921; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 10:55:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 10:55:17 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com From: Todd Elliott To: "Dean, Hal" Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf303dd77222a12604d4860d84 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:55:18 +0000 (UTC) --20cf303dd77222a12604d4860d84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Dean, Hal wrote: > Eno is not god despite our occasional stabs at setting him up as one. I > find his analogy not apt. > I don't think he's a god (I mean, have you heard him sing? Yow.). I find his comparison astute. > The guys =93making=94 whale blubber were not going to persist in doing it= once > the market caved, and no one would continue to be interested in their > product. If the analogy is to the selling of recordings, not records. i.e= . > not to a physical product necessarily, then one must point out that the > workers do continue to be interested in the making (that would be everyon= e > reading this), and there continues to be a pool of folks interested in th= e > results. > They may be interested in *hearing* the results, but the number of people interested in *paying* for them is dwindling, and continues to dwindle. > I don=92t think it is entirely true that the people who purchase decide > value. I=92m no economist, but surely the economy of music distribution h= as > an element of the =93race to the bottom=94 about it. Amazon=92s bending = of the > publishing world to its will is a parallel that has received a lot of > attention =96 the real sufferers there are authors. BTW, to the extent t= hat > theft is a =93purchase=94, then the value is zero. Hmm. > Correct. If no one is willing to pay for something, and they can get it for free, the value of it is zero. It's illiquid. I can say my new record is $100, but if no one buys it at that price, it has no value. Outside of a select circle of folk, people seem to be throwing their discretionary income at other things. But Per makes a compelling case for what I=92ve seen Chris Cutler call a > =93post-musical=94 world=85 well, maybe that isn=92t what Chris means by = the term, > but it sounds good=85 I have not really thought much about that. If that = is > where we are headed or have arrived, I will hope there remains a market a= t > least sufficient to support the undeniable geniuses of the world. > There probably will; though the definition of genius may vary. Amanda Palmer, who I don't consider any sort of genius, made a million bucks by rattling a tin cup on the internet. Any 'revolution' in the way we consume music is going to have to come with the understanding that almost anyone can get a recording of what you make for free, and will probably listen to it in a manner that will make you shudder (over laptop speakers from a youtube stream, over earbuds in a poor mp3 rip, etc). The notion that people will pay for high quality, or some tangible format, or something like that is wrong-- outside of a small group of nerds, no one cares. Maybe that small group of nerds can sustain you, but they are fickle. 'Getting music out there' is very easy to do. Getting people to pay for it is only going to get harder. You can ask nicely for money for your recorded music, but that horse got out of the barn years ago, and is probably married and living in a different state. On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:16 AM, mark francombe > wrote: > The record companies before, at least came from a standpoint of loving > music, now the music business is being strangled by the distributors > (Apple, Spotify etc) Its of course ther own fault for not jumping in quic= k > and building their own online music services, and spent too much time > stamping on Napster instead... Now the CEO of Napster is a Board member o= f > Spotify and hes considered a legit businessman... Go figure! Nope. Record companies have always been in the business to make money (even Dischord, or whatever your favorite punk rock label is; they at least want to cover their own expenses, which involves selling things for cash). They got better at it over time (pop music is now largely a series of formulas, with as many as 8 songwriters working on something). The basic, original business model of record companies relied on them controlling distribution. When people figured out how to (re)distribute it themselves, they decided it wasn't worth as much as the record companies were charging. When it became easy to get for free, they decided it was free. T --20cf303dd77222a12604d4860d84 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Dean, = Hal <HDean@wcupa.edu> wrote:

Eno is not god despite ou= r occasional stabs at setting him up as one. I find his analogy not apt.


I don't think he's a g= od (I mean, have you heard him sing? Yow.). I find his comparison astute.= =A0
=A0=A0

The guys =93making=94 wha= le blubber were not going to persist in doing it once the market caved, and= no one would continue to be interested in their product. If the analogy is to the selling of recordings, not records. i.e. not to a ph= ysical product necessarily, then one must point out that the workers do con= tinue to be interested in the making (that would be everyone reading this),= and there continues to be a pool of folks interested in the results.


They may be interested in hearing the results, but = the number of people interested in paying for them is dwindling, and= continues to dwindle.
=A0

I don=92t think it is ent= irely true that the people who purchase decide value. I=92m no economist, b= ut surely the economy of music distribution has an element of the =93race to the bottom=94 about it. =A0Amazon=92s bending of the publis= hing world to its will is a parallel that has received a lot of attention = =96 the real sufferers there are authors. =A0BTW, to the extent that theft = is a =93purchase=94, then the value is zero.=A0 Hmm.


Correct. If no one is willing = to pay for something, and they can get it for free, the value of it is zero= . It's illiquid. I can say my new record is $100, but if no one buys it= at that price, it has no value. Outside of a select circle of folk, people= seem to be throwing their discretionary income at other things.

But Per makes a compellin= g case for what I=92ve seen Chris Cutler call a =93post-musical=94 world=85= well, maybe that isn=92t what Chris means by the term, but it sounds good=85 I have not really thought much about that. If that is where we are= headed or have arrived, I will hope there remains a market at least suffic= ient to support the undeniable geniuses of the world.


There probably will; though the definition= of genius may vary. Amanda Palmer, who I don't consider any sort of ge= nius, made a million bucks by rattling a tin cup on the internet. Any '= revolution' in the way we consume music is going to have to come with t= he understanding that almost anyone can get a recording of what you make fo= r free, and will probably listen to it in a manner that will make you shudd= er (over laptop speakers from a youtube stream, over earbuds in a poor mp3 = rip, etc). The notion that people will pay for high quality, or some tangib= le format, or something like that is wrong-- outside of a small group of ne= rds, no one cares. Maybe that small group of nerds can sustain you, but the= y are fickle.=A0

'Getting music out there' is very easy to do. G= etting people to pay for it is only going to get harder. You can ask nicely= for money for your recorded music, but that horse got out of the barn year= s ago, and is probably married and living in a different state.

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:16 AM, mark francombe <= mark@markfranco= mbe.com> wrote:

<= br>
The record companies before, at least came from a st= andpoint of loving music, now the music business is being strangled by the = distributors (Apple, Spotify etc) Its of course ther own fault for not jump= ing in quick and building their own online music services, and spent too mu= ch time stamping on Napster instead... Now the CEO of Napster is a Board me= mber of Spotify and hes considered a legit=A0businessman... Go figure!

Nope. Record companies have always been in the business= to make money (even Dischord, or whatever your favorite punk rock label is= ; they at least want to cover their own expenses, which involves selling th= ings for cash). They got better at it over time (pop music is now largely a= series of formulas, with as many as 8 songwriters working on something). T= he basic, original business model of record companies relied on them contro= lling distribution. When people figured out how to (re)distribute it themse= lves, they decided it wasn't worth as much as the record companies were= charging. When it became easy to get for free, they decided it was free.= =A0

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--20cf303dd77222a12604d4860d84-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 19:57:44 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0393B183496; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:57:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=9qzQ7g7cMZtA2d4PIXxsA+U7Fw0/99qdmXc6uDWxo6Y=; b=I3Zwk3J8onScFzdiOztMUlzzKekEX2+cK2dIa3zUzQwe4p58VbDiUSOKU9uOS3ymYh qh+qlAzZEfeBYKIVrDa5mqxYUfxTooquHTg+5et3gaqhyqxZM9x6laZlqM8e0MH4ijCw /jHgdv9X+OaTVsHoXI7qvIKj05Oxr1jtEGiQMWwLLSoGdLO5qDklatQRhJbPAbfnSNqW ex7TlRO8OvzsE4fsrwnl1MjMqptbz9DTcd2uG5ItlF6ts3+hLx1JO1VqrtqfuaWf037W u1iMaMFq8U9F9Y++K7+wzTKatiVxYs3LvzzrC7a60V0ZCIAKyX+PQuPa7hSX9+njMjqI PXkw== X-Received: by 10.66.82.67 with SMTP id g3mr13917719pay.58.1359575862817; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 11:57:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 20:57:22 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: TrU9GFwuCrsoWWLS88J_GSEs-Zg Message-ID: Subject: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042f973259352004d486ecb3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:57:43 +0000 (UTC) --f46d042f973259352004d486ecb3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wont comment on the issues you pointed out on others posts, just mine... On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Todd Elliott wrote: > > The record companies before, at least came from a standpoint of loving > music, now the music business is being strangled by the distributors > (Apple, Spotify etc) Its of course ther own fault for not jumping in quic= k > and building their own online music services, and spent too much time > stamping on Napster instead... Now the CEO of Napster is a Board member o= f > Spotify and hes considered a legit businessman... Go figure! Nope. Record companies have always been in the business to make money Didnt say theys weren't, and I dont think that makes them bad per se either. I have 2 business, and Id like them to make money, (one does the other doesn't) > (even Dischord, or whatever your favorite punk rock label is; they at > least want to cover their own expenses, which involves selling things for > cash). No problem with that, where ARE you getting that i want record companies to work for free? Did I say that? I think not! > They got better at it over time (pop music is now largely a series of > formulas, with as many as 8 songwriters working on something). You say NOW largely formula, I can vouch that it wasn't so in the 90s, a pair of song writers maybe, but not 6.. So THATS what it takes to sell a record now does it, ok, I rest my case, there is OH SO NO money in the business for creativity, that they have to resort to these so called formulas.. how sad... > The basic, original business model of record companies relied on them > controlling distribution. This is purely a US-centric situation, because the biggest record shop in the US was Wallmart.. or some such shit... the majors in Europe often had to go thru distribution networks that were wholely seperate, and Indie music in particular, which became so all encompassing that all majors had a few fake indie companies under their belts (I should know I was on one) had to go thru indie distribution to, A) get in the Indie charts and B) got on alternative TV, like MTV after hours, 120 minutes etc... > When people figured out how to (re)distribute it themselves, they decided > it wasn't worth as much as the record companies were charging. Not true, didn't happen like that at all... > When it became easy to get for free, they decided it was free. Also not true, they stole when it became easy to steal, decided it was free??? What kind of bollocks is that? *OK; Heres something interesting.* There IS something good about Spotify actually! In Norway and Sweden, record sales have been dropping steadily since 2001 by 17% per year... Now they didnt manages to start factoring in the sales of Downloads till 2006, but it turns out that for the last 2 years RECORD SALES... stop.. damn force of habit... MUSIC SALES HAVE INCREASED!!! The number of people prepared to pay for music, HAS INCREASED. Why? Because Spotify makes it SO DAMN EASY!!! Yes, IN Norway, people would rathe pay 10 dollars a month for unlimited access to music, than A) Have Adverts, or B) be bothered to track down torrents and steal it. So Spotify is getting people USED to paying again, thats a good thing! So, music sales dead? I dont think so, its just that in the cusp between technologies, it was easier to download all the Beatles Albums in one go from Pirate Bay, than to login to iTunes (can ANYONE remember their Apple ID??) So now, because of that Spotify can charge what they fucking like and pay artists what they fucking like. *And that the only thing I don=B4t like... IS THAT SO BAD?* Man in Supermarket: How much is that Tin of Beans? Shop Keeper: 2 cents Man in Supermarket: A bargain, Ill have 100 tins then Shop Keeper on phone to bean manufacturer: Send more beans they=B4re sellin= g like crazy! Oh and Im going to pay you 1 dollar for a million tins Bean Manufacturer: Fuck off *click* You can either 1) sell your stuff for a reasonable amount or 2) give it away or 3) give it to someone else to make all the money from.. I choose the first two M --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d042f973259352004d486ecb3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I wont comment on the iss= ues you pointed out on others posts, just mine...

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Todd= Elliott <toddbert@gmail.com> wrote:

The record companies before, at least came from a standpoint= of loving music, now the music business is being strangled by the distribu= tors (Apple, Spotify etc) Its of course ther own fault for not jumping in q= uick and building their own online music services, and spent too much time = stamping on Napster instead... Now the CEO of Napster is a Board member of = Spotify and hes considered a legit=A0businessman... Go figure!
Nope. Record companies ha= ve always been in the business to make money

Didnt say theys=A0weren't, and I dont think t= hat makes them bad per se either. I have 2 business, and Id like them to ma= ke money, (one does the other doesn't)
=A0
(even Dischord, or whatever your favorite punk rock label is; they at least= want to cover their own expenses, which involves selling things for cash).=

No problem with that, where ARE you= getting that i want record companies to work for free? Did I say that? I t= hink not!
=A0
They got better at it over time (pop music i= s now largely a series of formulas, with as many as 8 songwriters working o= n something).

You say NOW largely formula, I can vouch that it = wasn't so in the 90s, a pair of song writers maybe, but not 6.. So THAT= S what it takes to sell a record now does it, ok, I rest my case, there is = OH SO NO money in the business for creativity, that they have to resort to = these so called formulas.. how sad...=A0
=A0
The basic, original business model of record= companies relied on them controlling distribution.

This is purely a US-centric situation, because th= e biggest record shop in the US was Wallmart.. or some such shit... the maj= ors in Europe often had to go thru=A0distribution=A0networks that were whol= ely seperate, and Indie music in particular,=A0which=A0became so all=A0enco= mpassing=A0that all majors had a few fake indie companies under their belts= (I should know I was on one) had to go thru indie distribution to, A) get = in the Indie charts and B) got on alternative TV, like MTV after hours, 120= minutes etc...
=A0
When people figured out how to (re)distribut= e it themselves, they decided it wasn't worth as much as the record com= panies were charging.

Not true, didn't happen like that at all...
=A0
When it became easy to get for free, they decided it was free.=A0

Also not true, they stole when it became easy = to steal, decided it was free??? What kind of bollocks is that?

OK; Heres something interesting.

There IS something good about Spotify actually!
In Norway and Sweden, record sales have been dropping=A0steadil= y=A0since 2001 by 17% per year... Now they didnt manages to start factoring= in the sales of Downloads till 2006, but it turns out that for the last 2 = years RECORD SALES... stop.. damn force of habit... MUSIC SALES HAVE INCREA= SED!!! The number of people prepared to pay for music, HAS INCREASED. Why? = Because Spotify makes it SO DAMN EASY!!! Yes, IN Norway, people would rathe= pay 10 dollars a month for unlimited access to music, than A) Have Adverts= , or B) be bothered to track down torrents and steal it.

So Spotify is getting people USED to paying= again, thats a good thing!

So, music sales dead? I dont think so, i= ts just that in the cusp between technologies, it was easier to download al= l the Beatles Albums in one go from Pirate Bay, than to login to iTunes (ca= n ANYONE remember=A0their=A0Apple ID??)
So now, because of that Spotify can charge what they fucking lik= e and pay artists what they fucking like.=A0

And that the only thing I don=B4t like... IS THAT SO BAD?

Man in Supermarket: How much is that Tin of= Beans?
Shop Keeper: 2 cents
Man in Supermarket: A barga= in, Ill have 100 tins then
Shop Keeper on phone to bean man= ufacturer: Send more beans they=B4re selling like crazy! Oh and Im going to= pay you 1 dollar for a million tins
Bean Manufacturer: Fuck off *click*

You can either=A0
1) sell your stuff for a reasona= ble amount or
2) give it away or
3) give it= to someone else to make all the money from..=A0


I choose the first two=


M


= --
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--f46d042f973259352004d486ecb3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 19:59:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7A4B183495; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:59:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=ESyWIKJW0mD/lJw+T3uETfT/gN7+D1bXoZOXa6Xk6Vc=; b=K46WKhktM6S5eZ4fs9xFShSAv0U6Q1kjXuwslwMCNmbj4SF3HUeTet6UMquovDKNEJ FEqwc1g4NZwFMQ92nxZIcvIuU3CSkumtbgH9idnCgoM1zxpMzK3hvXbdOcaE+068CDTd 5YTnXesurCGpDWyLlcwYNottz11afLN/F5bfiCttLndh/tLkawYaMEhp2RO95O9WBuWP 01NbEHD51YiIcNSLeO81TKXJRPRuiMoGEq3MIUvHX/bMB4rWSJR4HPxQ5tYDn4U5aqP9 cQ0CWoY5PXwj7udE3qquNjAk6h+St2L7XU7grbJxYqFsUDL2oDKvd9Oewup3JtXyJY1n lylQ== X-Received: by 10.66.82.67 with SMTP id g3mr13925524pay.58.1359575939962; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 11:58:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 20:58:39 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: m-tLSOiUHisAom_JY7u2yuD2B8A Message-ID: Subject: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042f9732f256f104d486f0d6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:59:01 +0000 (UTC) --f46d042f9732f256f104d486f0d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another duck and cover post by Mr Walker... get off that digest dude, and get yer fists out, Im getting backed into a corner! On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 8:57 PM, mark francombe wro= te: > I wont comment on the issues you pointed out on others posts, just mine..= . > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Todd Elliott wrote: > >> >> The record companies before, at least came from a standpoint of loving >> music, now the music business is being strangled by the distributors >> (Apple, Spotify etc) Its of course ther own fault for not jumping in qui= ck >> and building their own online music services, and spent too much time >> stamping on Napster instead... Now the CEO of Napster is a Board member = of >> Spotify and hes considered a legit businessman... Go figure! > > Nope. Record companies have always been in the business to make money > > > Didnt say theys weren't, and I dont think that makes them bad per se > either. I have 2 business, and Id like them to make money, (one does the > other doesn't) > > >> (even Dischord, or whatever your favorite punk rock label is; they at >> least want to cover their own expenses, which involves selling things fo= r >> cash). > > > No problem with that, where ARE you getting that i want record companies > to work for free? Did I say that? I think not! > > >> They got better at it over time (pop music is now largely a series of >> formulas, with as many as 8 songwriters working on something). > > > You say NOW largely formula, I can vouch that it wasn't so in the 90s, a > pair of song writers maybe, but not 6.. So THATS what it takes to sell a > record now does it, ok, I rest my case, there is OH SO NO money in the > business for creativity, that they have to resort to these so called > formulas.. how sad... > > >> The basic, original business model of record companies relied on them >> controlling distribution. > > > This is purely a US-centric situation, because the biggest record shop in > the US was Wallmart.. or some such shit... the majors in Europe often had > to go thru distribution networks that were wholely seperate, and Indie > music in particular, which became so all encompassing that all majors had= a > few fake indie companies under their belts (I should know I was on one) h= ad > to go thru indie distribution to, A) get in the Indie charts and B) got o= n > alternative TV, like MTV after hours, 120 minutes etc... > > >> When people figured out how to (re)distribute it themselves, they decide= d >> it wasn't worth as much as the record companies were charging. > > > Not true, didn't happen like that at all... > > >> When it became easy to get for free, they decided it was free. > > > Also not true, they stole when it became easy to steal, decided it was > free??? What kind of bollocks is that? > > *OK; Heres something interesting.* > > There IS something good about Spotify actually! > In Norway and Sweden, record sales have been dropping steadily since 2001 > by 17% per year... Now they didnt manages to start factoring in the sales > of Downloads till 2006, but it turns out that for the last 2 years RECORD > SALES... stop.. damn force of habit... MUSIC SALES HAVE INCREASED!!! The > number of people prepared to pay for music, HAS INCREASED. Why? Because > Spotify makes it SO DAMN EASY!!! Yes, IN Norway, people would rathe pay 1= 0 > dollars a month for unlimited access to music, than A) Have Adverts, or B= ) > be bothered to track down torrents and steal it. > > So Spotify is getting people USED to paying again, thats a good thing! > > So, music sales dead? I dont think so, its just that in the cusp between > technologies, it was easier to download all the Beatles Albums in one go > from Pirate Bay, than to login to iTunes (can ANYONE remember their Apple > ID??) > So now, because of that Spotify can charge what they fucking like and pay > artists what they fucking like. > > *And that the only thing I don=B4t like... IS THAT SO BAD?* > > Man in Supermarket: How much is that Tin of Beans? > Shop Keeper: 2 cents > Man in Supermarket: A bargain, Ill have 100 tins then > Shop Keeper on phone to bean manufacturer: Send more beans they=B4re sell= ing > like crazy! Oh and Im going to pay you 1 dollar for a million tins > Bean Manufacturer: Fuck off *click* > > You can either > 1) sell your stuff for a reasonable amount or > 2) give it away or > 3) give it to someone else to make all the money from.. > > > I choose the first two > > > M > > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d042f9732f256f104d486f0d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Another duck and cover post by Mr Walker... get off that d= igest dude, and get yer fists out, Im getting backed into a corner!


On Wed, Jan 30,= 2013 at 8:57 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
= I wont comment on the issues you pointed out on others posts, just mine...<= /div>

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Todd Elliott <toddbert@gmail.com>= ; wrote:

The record companies before, at least came from a standpoint of loving = music, now the music business is being strangled by the distributors (Apple= , Spotify etc) Its of course ther own fault for not jumping in quick and bu= ilding their own online music services, and spent too much time stamping on= Napster instead... Now the CEO of Napster is a Board member of Spotify and= hes considered a legit=A0businessman... Go figure!
= Nope. Record companies have always been in the business to make money

Didnt say theys=A0weren't, and I dont think t= hat makes them bad per se either. I have 2 business, and Id like them to ma= ke money, (one does the other doesn't)
=A0<= /div>
(even Dischord, or whatever your favorite punk rock label is; they at least= want to cover their own expenses, which involves selling things for cash).=

No problem with that, where ARE you= getting that i want record companies to work for free? Did I say that? I t= hink not!
=A0
They got better at it over time (pop music i= s now largely a series of formulas, with as many as 8 songwriters working o= n something).

You say NOW largely formula, I can vouch that it = wasn't so in the 90s, a pair of song writers maybe, but not 6.. So THAT= S what it takes to sell a record now does it, ok, I rest my case, there is = OH SO NO money in the business for creativity, that they have to resort to = these so called formulas.. how sad...=A0
=A0
The basic, original business model of record= companies relied on them controlling distribution.

This is purely a US-centric situation, because th= e biggest record shop in the US was Wallmart.. or some such shit... the maj= ors in Europe often had to go thru=A0distribution=A0networks that were whol= ely seperate, and Indie music in particular,=A0which=A0became so all=A0enco= mpassing=A0that all majors had a few fake indie companies under their belts= (I should know I was on one) had to go thru indie distribution to, A) get = in the Indie charts and B) got on alternative TV, like MTV after hours, 120= minutes etc...
=A0
When people figured out how to (re)distribut= e it themselves, they decided it wasn't worth as much as the record com= panies were charging.

Not true, didn't happen like that at all...
=A0
When it became easy to get for free, they decided it was free.=A0

Also not true, they stole when it became easy = to steal, decided it was free??? What kind of bollocks is that?

OK; Heres something interesting.

=
There IS something good about Spotify actually!
In Norway an= d Sweden, record sales have been dropping=A0steadily=A0since 2001 by 17% pe= r year... Now they didnt manages to start factoring in the sales of Downloa= ds till 2006, but it turns out that for the last 2 years RECORD SALES... st= op.. damn force of habit... MUSIC SALES HAVE INCREASED!!! The number of peo= ple prepared to pay for music, HAS INCREASED. Why? Because Spotify makes it= SO DAMN EASY!!! Yes, IN Norway, people would rathe pay 10 dollars a month = for unlimited access to music, than A) Have Adverts, or B) be bothered to t= rack down torrents and steal it.

So Spotify is getting people USED to paying again, that= s a good thing!

So, music sales dead? I dont think so, its just that= in the cusp between technologies, it was easier to download all the Beatle= s Albums in one go from Pirate Bay, than to login to iTunes (can ANYONE rem= ember=A0their=A0Apple ID??)
So now, because of that Spotify can charge what they fucking like and = pay artists what they fucking like.=A0

And that= the only thing I don=B4t like... IS THAT SO BAD?

Man in Supermarket: How much is that Tin of Beans?
S= hop Keeper: 2 cents
Man in Supermarket: A bargain, Ill have 100 t= ins then
Shop Keeper on phone to bean manufacturer: Send more bea= ns they=B4re selling like crazy! Oh and Im going to pay you 1 dollar for a = million tins
Bean Manufacturer: Fuck off *click*

You can e= ither=A0
1) sell your stuff for a reasonable amount or
= 2) give it away or
3) give it to someone else to make all the mon= ey from..=A0


I choose the first two




--
M= ark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
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Now the CEO of Napster is a Board member of Spotify and hes consid= ered a legit=A0businessman... Go figure!=0ANope. Record companies have alwa= ys been in the business to make money=0A=0ADidnt say theys=A0weren't, and I= dont think that makes them bad per se either. I have 2 business, and Id li= ke them to make money, (one does the other doesn't)=0A=A0=0A(even Dischord,= or whatever your favorite punk rock label is; they at least want to cover = their own expenses, which involves selling things for cash). =0A=0ANo probl= em with that, where ARE you getting that i want record companies to work fo= r free? Did I say that? I think not!=0A=A0=0AThey got better at it over tim= e (pop music is now largely a series of formulas, with as many as 8 songwri= ters working on something).=0A=0AYou say NOW largely formula, I can vouch t= hat it wasn't so in the 90s, a pair of song writers maybe, but not 6.. So T= HATS what it takes to sell a record now does it, ok, I rest my case, there = is OH SO NO money in the business for creativity, that they have to resort = to these so called formulas.. how sad...=A0=0A=A0=0AThe basic, original bus= iness model of record companies relied on them controlling distribution.=0A= =0AThis is purely a US-centric situation, because the biggest record shop i= n the US was Wallmart.. or some such shit... the majors in Europe often had= to go thru=A0distribution=A0networks that were wholely seperate, and Indie= music in particular,=A0which=A0became so all=A0encompassing=A0that all maj= ors had a few fake indie companies under their belts (I should know I was o= n one) had to go thru indie distribution to, A) get in the Indie charts and= B) got on alternative TV, like MTV after hours, 120 minutes etc...=0A=A0= =0AWhen people figured out how to (re)distribute it themselves, they decide= d it wasn't worth as much as the record companies were charging.=0A=0ANot t= rue, didn't happen like that at all...=0A=A0=0AWhen it became easy to get f= or free, they decided it was free.=A0=0A=0AAlso not true, they stole when i= t became easy to steal, decided it was free??? What kind of bollocks is tha= t?=0A=0AOK; Heres something interesting.=0A=0AThere IS something good about= Spotify actually!=0AIn Norway and Sweden, record sales have been dropping= =A0steadily=A0since 2001 by 17% per year... Now they didnt manages to start= factoring in the sales of Downloads till 2006, but it turns out that for t= he last 2 years RECORD SALES... stop.. damn force of habit... MUSIC SALES H= AVE INCREASED!!! The number of people prepared to pay for music, HAS INCREA= SED. Why? Because Spotify makes it SO DAMN EASY!!! Yes, IN Norway, people w= ould rathe pay 10 dollars a month for unlimited access to music, than A) Ha= ve Adverts, or B) be bothered to track down torrents and steal it.=0A=0ASo = Spotify is getting people USED to paying again, thats a good thing!=0A=0ASo= , music sales dead? I dont think so, its just that in the cusp between tech= nologies, it was easier to download all the Beatles Albums in one go from P= irate Bay, than to login to iTunes (can ANYONE remember=A0their=A0Apple ID?= ?)=0ASo now, because of that Spotify can charge what they fucking like and = pay artists what they fucking like.=A0=0A=0AAnd that the only thing I don= =B4t like... IS THAT SO BAD?=0A=0AMan in Supermarket: How much is that Tin = of Beans?=0AShop Keeper: 2 cents=0AMan in Supermarket: A bargain, Ill have = 100 tins then=0AShop Keeper on phone to bean manufacturer: Send more beans = they=B4re selling like crazy! Oh and Im going to pay you 1 dollar for a mil= lion tins=0ABean Manufacturer: Fuck off *click*=0A=0AYou can either=A0=0A1)= sell your stuff for a reasonable amount or=0A2) give it away or=0A3) give = it to someone else to make all the money from..=A0=0A=0A=0AI choose the fir= st two=0A=0AM=0A=0A=0A-- =0AMark Francombe=0Awww.markfrancombe.com=0Awww.or= doabkhao.com=0Ahttp://vimeo.com/user825094=0Ahttp://www.looop.no=0Atwitter = @markfrancombe=0Ahttp://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --2145414650-239979752-1359576197=:17687 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have only been skim= ming through on this thread, so not sure if this totally fits in to it, but= I think this awesome, ranting blog post by bassist Jeff Schmidt would inte= rest some of you...?


=

From: mark francombe &l= t;mark@markfrancombe.com>
To:<= /span> loopers-delight <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
= Sent: Wednesday, January = 30, 2013 11:57 AM
Subject:= Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com
I wont comment on the issues you pointed out on others= posts, just mine...

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Todd El= liott <toddbert@gm= ail.com> wrote:
=0A=0A
= =0A=0A
The record companies before, at least cam= e from a standpoint of loving music, now the music business is being strang= led by the distributors (Apple, Spotify etc) Its of course ther own fault f= or not jumping in quick and building their own online music services, and s= pent too much time stamping on Napster instead... Now the CEO of Napster is= a Board member of Spotify and hes considered a legit businessman... G= o figure!
=0A=0A
<= blockquote class=3D"yiv1038697747gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0= .8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-s= tyle:solid;padding-left:1ex;">Nope. Record companies have always been in th= e business to make money=0A=0A

D= idnt say theys weren't, and I dont think that makes them bad per se ei= ther. I have 2 business, and Id like them to make money, (one does the othe= r doesn't)
 
=0A=0A(even= Dischord, or whatever your favorite punk rock label is; they at least want= to cover their own expenses, which involves selling things for cash).

No problem with that, where ARE you= getting that i want record companies to work for free? Did I say that? I t= hink not!
=0A=0A
 
They g= ot better at it over time (pop music is now largely a series of formulas, w= ith as many as 8 songwriters working on something).
=0A=0A
=
You say NOW largely formula, I can vouch that it = wasn't so in the 90s, a pair of song writers maybe, but not 6.. So THATS wh= at it takes to sell a record now does it, ok, I rest my case, there is OH S= O NO money in the business for creativity, that they have to resort to thes= e so called formulas.. how sad... 
=0A=0A
 
The basic, original business model of record compan= ies relied on them controlling distribution.
=0A=0A

This is purely a US-centric situation, because the bigge= st record shop in the US was Wallmart.. or some such shit... the majors in = Europe often had to go thru distribution networks that were whole= ly seperate, and Indie music in particular, which became so all&n= bsp;encompassing that all majors had a few fake indie companies under = their belts (I should know I was on one) had to go thru indie distribution = to, A) get in the Indie charts and B) got on alternative TV, like MTV after= hours, 120 minutes etc...
=0A=0A
 
When people figured out how to (re)distribute it themselves, the= y decided it wasn't worth as much as the record companies were charging.=0A=0A

Not true, didn't happen like= that at all...
 
=0A=0AWhen it became easy to get for free, they decided it was free.&n= bsp;

Also not true, they stole w= hen it became easy to steal, decided it was free??? What kind of bollocks i= s that?
=0A=0A
OK; Heres s= omething interesting.

Th= ere IS something good about Spotify actually!
In Norwa= y and Sweden, record sales have been dropping steadily since 2001= by 17% per year... Now they didnt manages to start factoring in the sales = of Downloads till 2006, but it turns out that for the last 2 years RECORD S= ALES... stop.. damn force of habit... MUSIC SALES HAVE INCREASED!!! The num= ber of people prepared to pay for music, HAS INCREASED. Why? Because Spotif= y makes it SO DAMN EASY!!! Yes, IN Norway, people would rathe pay 10 dollar= s a month for unlimited access to music, than A) Have Adverts, or B) be bot= hered to track down torrents and steal it.
=0A=0A

<= /div>
So Spotify is getting people USED to paying again, tha= ts a good thing!

So, music sales dead? I dont think so, its just tha= t in the cusp between technologies, it was easier to download all the Beatl= es Albums in one go from Pirate Bay, than to login to iTunes (can ANYONE re= member their Apple ID??)
=0A=0A
So now, becau= se of that Spotify can charge what they fucking like and pay artists what t= hey fucking like. 

A= nd that the only thing I don=B4t like... IS THAT SO BAD?
=0A=0A
Man in Supermarket: How much is that= Tin of Beans?
Shop Keeper: 2 cents
Man in Supermar= ket: A bargain, Ill have 100 tins then
Shop Keeper on = phone to bean manufacturer: Send more beans they=B4re selling like crazy! O= h and Im going to pay you 1 dollar for a million tins
=0A=0A
Bean Manufacturer: Fuck off *click*

You can either 
1) sell your stuff = for a reasonable amount or
2) give it away or
3) give it to someone else to make all the money from.. <= /div>=0A=0A


I choose the first two


M
=

--
Mark Francombe

=0A=0Awww.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
=0A=0A
http= ://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
=0A=0Atwitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
=0A
=
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--2145414650-239979752-1359576197=:17687-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 20:24:09 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A2E2183493; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 20:24:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_rHHZKr6esd8hsnsuO+ew2g)" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-01-30_07:2013-01-30,2013-01-30,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=4 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1301300153 Subject: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com From: Daniel Thomas In-reply-to: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:24:07 -0800 Cc: "Dean, Hal" Message-id: <1C034AD0-778A-455B-9D17-60E2C023502F@mac.com> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 20:24:09 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_rHHZKr6esd8hsnsuO+ew2g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Good thread. =20 The recording industry is dead and already stinking. When can we bury = her and how? Would any among us begrudge dwindling royalty checks if we = were just paid a comfortable living wage for playing gigs? =20 Though I am an avid recordist / producer whose phone still rings with = offers to work, the business of mechanical / publishing royalties has = never contributed much to my bottom line. I have 87 releases behind me = now-- many of them on major labels=85 Only one is still generating a = royalty check and this is but a pittance. Meanwhile, the very same = business model has ensured that fat cats get fatter on the back of work = I contributed to. =20 Why do we as independent musicians fight for this business model to = continue? Barring the smallest sector of our business, the wildly = famous, most of us never really benefit from the intellectual property = side of the business or if we do its such a small contribution as to be = negligible. Add it up over 10-20 years in the business- what percentage = of your total income is from royalties or publishing agreements. For = me, its less than 10% and the bulk of my compensated work has been in = the studio! For most of these royalty generating projects, I actually = made less per hour in production due to the fact that I had points on = the back end. IOW, I would have earned much more had I just been paid = the going rate for the production work rather than reducing this rate = to negotiate for publishing or mechanical royalty. =20 Given this, a big part of me welcomes the demise of our recording = industry. Speaking for myself, I would be happy to give away all of my = recorded works for all time were I just paid a living wage to perform my = art. Or, as a producer/engineer, paid a living wage to make the = recordings that promote other artist's work. =20 Perhaps its time local musicians insist on a living wage to play bars = and restaurants who rely on us to make a scene happen (not that I am = advocate for musician unions.) =20 Recently, I was pitching a band to a wedding event. A great band. 5 = Pro musicians. The bid was for 3 sets, w/ PA and lights. We pitched at = 1000.00 A total bargain for 5 pro musicians w/ sound man and all the = gear to create the spectacle. The gig was given instead to another = local band who pitched similar service at $250! That's about 20 bucks = per person after gas to the gig. WTF?! Musician poverty consciousness = bringing down the wages of all musicians in the community! This kind of = thing hurts us much more directly than greedy fat cats squeezing the = dying breath from their Babylonian industry. Local musicians cannot do = all that much about fat cat greed. But we can stop playing out for dirt = wages. No pearls before swine. =20 Daniel=20 www.danielshanethomas.com =20 On Jan 30, 2013, at 10:55 AM, Todd Elliott wrote: >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Dean, Hal wrote: > Eno is not god despite our occasional stabs at setting him up as one. = I find his analogy not apt. >=20 >=20 > I don't think he's a god (I mean, have you heard him sing? Yow.). I = find his comparison astute.=20 > =20 > The guys =93making=94 whale blubber were not going to persist in doing = it once the market caved, and no one would continue to be interested in = their product. If the analogy is to the selling of recordings, not = records. i.e. not to a physical product necessarily, then one must point = out that the workers do continue to be interested in the making (that = would be everyone reading this), and there continues to be a pool of = folks interested in the results. >=20 >=20 > They may be interested in hearing the results, but the number of = people interested in paying for them is dwindling, and continues to = dwindle. > =20 > I don=92t think it is entirely true that the people who purchase = decide value. I=92m no economist, but surely the economy of music = distribution has an element of the =93race to the bottom=94 about it. = Amazon=92s bending of the publishing world to its will is a parallel = that has received a lot of attention =96 the real sufferers there are = authors. BTW, to the extent that theft is a =93purchase=94, then the = value is zero. Hmm. >=20 >=20 > Correct. If no one is willing to pay for something, and they can get = it for free, the value of it is zero. It's illiquid. I can say my new = record is $100, but if no one buys it at that price, it has no value. = Outside of a select circle of folk, people seem to be throwing their = discretionary income at other things. >=20 > But Per makes a compelling case for what I=92ve seen Chris Cutler call = a =93post-musical=94 world=85 well, maybe that isn=92t what Chris means = by the term, but it sounds good=85 I have not really thought much about = that. If that is where we are headed or have arrived, I will hope there = remains a market at least sufficient to support the undeniable geniuses = of the world. >=20 >=20 > There probably will; though the definition of genius may vary. Amanda = Palmer, who I don't consider any sort of genius, made a million bucks by = rattling a tin cup on the internet. Any 'revolution' in the way we = consume music is going to have to come with the understanding that = almost anyone can get a recording of what you make for free, and will = probably listen to it in a manner that will make you shudder (over = laptop speakers from a youtube stream, over earbuds in a poor mp3 rip, = etc). The notion that people will pay for high quality, or some tangible = format, or something like that is wrong-- outside of a small group of = nerds, no one cares. Maybe that small group of nerds can sustain you, = but they are fickle.=20 >=20 > 'Getting music out there' is very easy to do. Getting people to pay = for it is only going to get harder. You can ask nicely for money for = your recorded music, but that horse got out of the barn years ago, and = is probably married and living in a different state. >=20 > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:16 AM, mark francombe = wrote: >=20 >=20 > The record companies before, at least came from a standpoint of loving = music, now the music business is being strangled by the distributors = (Apple, Spotify etc) Its of course ther own fault for not jumping in = quick and building their own online music services, and spent too much = time stamping on Napster instead... Now the CEO of Napster is a Board = member of Spotify and hes considered a legit businessman... Go figure! >=20 > Nope. Record companies have always been in the business to make money = (even Dischord, or whatever your favorite punk rock label is; they at = least want to cover their own expenses, which involves selling things = for cash). They got better at it over time (pop music is now largely a = series of formulas, with as many as 8 songwriters working on something). = The basic, original business model of record companies relied on them = controlling distribution. When people figured out how to (re)distribute = it themselves, they decided it wasn't worth as much as the record = companies were charging. When it became easy to get for free, they = decided it was free.=20 >=20 > T --Boundary_(ID_rHHZKr6esd8hsnsuO+ew2g) Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Good = thread.  

The recording industry is dead = and already stinking.  When can we bury her and how?  Would = any among us begrudge dwindling royalty checks if we were just paid a = comfortable living wage for playing gigs? =  

Though I am an avid recordist / = producer whose phone still rings with offers to work, the business of = mechanical / publishing royalties has never contributed much to my = bottom line.  I have 87 releases behind me now-- many of them on = major labels=85  Only one is still generating a royalty check and = this is but a pittance.      Meanwhile, the very = same business model has ensured  that fat cats get fatter on the = back of work I contributed to.  

Why do we = as independent musicians fight for this business model to continue? =   Barring the smallest sector of our business, the wildly famous, = most of us never really benefit from the intellectual property side of = the business or if we do its such a small contribution as to be = negligible. Add it up over 10-20 years in the business-  what = percentage of your total income is from royalties or publishing = agreements.  For me, its less than 10% and the bulk of my = compensated work has been in the studio!  For most of these royalty = generating projects, I actually made less per hour in production due to = the fact that I had points on the back end.  IOW, I would have = earned much more had I just been paid the going rate for the production = work rather than  reducing this rate to negotiate for publishing or = mechanical royalty.  

Given this, a = big part of me welcomes the  demise of our recording industry. =  Speaking for myself, I would be happy to give away all of my = recorded works for all time were I just paid a living wage to perform my = art.  Or, as a producer/engineer, paid a living wage to make the = recordings that promote other artist's work. =  

Perhaps its time local musicians insist = on a living wage to play bars and restaurants who rely on us to make a = scene happen (not that I am advocate for musician unions.) =   

Recently, I was pitching a band to = a wedding event.  A great band.  5 Pro musicians.  The = bid was for 3 sets, w/ PA and lights.  We pitched at 1000.00 =  A total bargain for 5 pro musicians w/ sound man and all the gear = to create the spectacle.  The gig was given instead to another = local band who pitched similar service at $250!  That's about 20 = bucks per person after gas to the gig.  WTF?!   Musician = poverty consciousness bringing down the wages of all musicians in the = community!  This kind of thing hurts us much more directly than = greedy fat cats squeezing the dying breath from their Babylonian = industry.  Local musicians cannot do all that much about fat cat = greed. But we can stop playing out for dirt wages.  No pearls = before = swine.

  
Daniel 
<= div>
www.danielshanethomas.com

  
On Jan 30, 2013, = at 10:55 AM, Todd Elliott <toddbert@gmail.com> = wrote:



On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at = 10:23 AM, Dean, Hal <HDean@wcupa.edu> wrote:

Eno is not god despite our occasional stabs at = setting him up as one. I find his analogy not apt.


I don't think he's a god (I = mean, have you heard him sing? Yow.). I find his comparison = astute. 
  

The guys =93making=94 whale blubber were not going = to persist in doing it once the market caved, and no one would continue = to be interested in their product. If the analogy is to the selling of recordings, not records. i.e. not to a = physical product necessarily, then one must point out that the workers = do continue to be interested in the making (that would be everyone = reading this), and there continues to be a pool of folks interested in the = results.


They may be = interested in hearing the results, but the number of people = interested in paying for them is dwindling, and continues to = dwindle.
 

I don=92t think it is entirely true that the = people who purchase decide value. I=92m no economist, but surely the = economy of music distribution has an element of the =93race to the bottom=94 about it.  Amazon=92s bending of the = publishing world to its will is a parallel that has received a lot of = attention =96 the real sufferers there are authors.  BTW, to the = extent that theft is a =93purchase=94, then the value is zero.  = Hmm.


Correct. If no one is = willing to pay for something, and they can get it for free, the value of = it is zero. It's illiquid. I can say my new record is $100, but if no = one buys it at that price, it has no value. Outside of a select circle = of folk, people seem to be throwing their discretionary income at other = things.

But Per makes a compelling case for what I=92ve = seen Chris Cutler call a =93post-musical=94 world=85 well, maybe that = isn=92t what Chris means by the term, but it sounds good=85 I have not really thought much about that. If that is where we = are headed or have arrived, I will hope there remains a market at least = sufficient to support the undeniable geniuses of the world. =


There probably will; though the = definition of genius may vary. Amanda Palmer, who I don't consider any = sort of genius, made a million bucks by rattling a tin cup on the = internet. Any 'revolution' in the way we consume music is going to have = to come with the understanding that almost anyone can get a recording of = what you make for free, and will probably listen to it in a manner that = will make you shudder (over laptop speakers from a youtube stream, over = earbuds in a poor mp3 rip, etc). The notion that people will pay for = high quality, or some tangible format, or something like that is wrong-- = outside of a small group of nerds, no one cares. Maybe that small group = of nerds can sustain you, but they are fickle. 

'Getting music out there' is very easy to do. = Getting people to pay for it is only going to get harder. You can ask = nicely for money for your recorded music, but that horse got out of the = barn years ago, and is probably married and living in a different = state.

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:16 AM, mark = francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> = wrote:


The record companies before, at least = came from a standpoint of loving music, now the music business is being = strangled by the distributors (Apple, Spotify etc) Its of course ther = own fault for not jumping in quick and building their own online music = services, and spent too much time stamping on Napster instead... Now the = CEO of Napster is a Board member of Spotify and hes considered a = legit businessman... Go figure!

Nope. Record companies have always been in the = business to make money (even Dischord, or whatever your favorite punk = rock label is; they at least want to cover their own expenses, which = involves selling things for cash). They got better at it over time (pop = music is now largely a series of formulas, with as many as 8 songwriters = working on something). The basic, original business model of record = companies relied on them controlling distribution. When people figured = out how to (re)distribute it themselves, they decided it wasn't worth as = much as the record companies were charging. When it became easy to get = for free, they decided it was free. 

T

= --Boundary_(ID_rHHZKr6esd8hsnsuO+ew2g)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 20:38:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 382BA18349C; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 20:38:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pREZOnz2/nESgq28Gtrw5wV4DN/EWuffWcleCCm860M=; b=0nzALNRLwGt+nLHq8r6ldU748TVHuUiEHKp3S+lzxUNxxwO7bahkQ/Z66krQrsRRVc FdeikYIPgQqWq5dqLyW4kmvR+gd3Y2llOqPQls2Wdci+kYEWufg0IXPlKtCkRD3OR+AK nz7iRvXyUMMU4wWrrZywYps89G9hJ3Hjb6h3Nsc6EkLyM1238t2agDAVAbFSG/RR7doB C2MFNeId9zcEnsSg+rFrS+T7y1qcqW5BSlwid7R8pz47p8ej9sZH8/CEOb69Q1LurEOJ owS+ZNc4q/GJS4aQm4ptR8Ir+cyoA6BX4MNkzCFYNL6pE2twBXmFg/lHNmLTyQ4B7UcT GvQQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.32.19 with SMTP id e19mr4840384oei.60.1359578317238; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:38:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1359576197.17687.YahooMailNeo@web161302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:38:36 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Fwd: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <2CkW1C.A.Ze.OTYCRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 20:38:38 +0000 (UTC) Well, if anyone of you happen to NOT read all the news from all countries in the world I can report that in Sweden we have seen a public release today of a research report on the Swedish music industry. An amazing fact is that the industry has grown by 4 percent during 2011 - and that is a lot due to the effect of streaming. For the first time incomes from streaming and digitally distributed music exceeds physical sales, at 56 percent vs 44. Generally, if one looks into the film and games markets it may show that the "recording industry" has not died, just moved to another place. An it left behind old inhabitants that didn't care to come along in the move (hence a lot of the whining about this) - one very typical sign of a "paradigm shift", in case you are familiar with Kuhn's book on that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Kuhn Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Steve Uccello wr= ote: > I have only been skimming through on this thread, so not sure if this > totally fits in to it, but I think this awesome, ranting blog post by > bassist Jeff Schmidt would interest some of you...? > > http://beautiful-bass.com/blog/?p=3D398 > > ________________________________ > From: mark francombe > To: loopers-delight > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:57 AM > Subject: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com > > I wont comment on the issues you pointed out on others posts, just mine..= . > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Todd Elliott wrote: > > > The record companies before, at least came from a standpoint of loving > music, now the music business is being strangled by the distributors (App= le, > Spotify etc) Its of course ther own fault for not jumping in quick and > building their own online music services, and spent too much time stampin= g > on Napster instead... Now the CEO of Napster is a Board member of Spotify > and hes considered a legit businessman... Go figure! > > Nope. Record companies have always been in the business to make money > > > Didnt say theys weren't, and I dont think that makes them bad per se eith= er. > I have 2 business, and Id like them to make money, (one does the other > doesn't) > > > (even Dischord, or whatever your favorite punk rock label is; they at lea= st > want to cover their own expenses, which involves selling things for cash)= . > > > No problem with that, where ARE you getting that i want record companies = to > work for free? Did I say that? I think not! > > > They got better at it over time (pop music is now largely a series of > formulas, with as many as 8 songwriters working on something). > > > You say NOW largely formula, I can vouch that it wasn't so in the 90s, a > pair of song writers maybe, but not 6.. So THATS what it takes to sell a > record now does it, ok, I rest my case, there is OH SO NO money in the > business for creativity, that they have to resort to these so called > formulas.. how sad... > > > The basic, original business model of record companies relied on them > controlling distribution. > > > This is purely a US-centric situation, because the biggest record shop in > the US was Wallmart.. or some such shit... the majors in Europe often had= to > go thru distribution networks that were wholely seperate, and Indie music= in > particular, which became so all encompassing that all majors had a few fa= ke > indie companies under their belts (I should know I was on one) had to go > thru indie distribution to, A) get in the Indie charts and B) got on > alternative TV, like MTV after hours, 120 minutes etc... > > > When people figured out how to (re)distribute it themselves, they decided= it > wasn't worth as much as the record companies were charging. > > > Not true, didn't happen like that at all... > > > When it became easy to get for free, they decided it was free. > > > Also not true, they stole when it became easy to steal, decided it was > free??? What kind of bollocks is that? > > OK; Heres something interesting. > > There IS something good about Spotify actually! > In Norway and Sweden, record sales have been dropping steadily since 2001= by > 17% per year... Now they didnt manages to start factoring in the sales of > Downloads till 2006, but it turns out that for the last 2 years RECORD > SALES... stop.. damn force of habit... MUSIC SALES HAVE INCREASED!!! The > number of people prepared to pay for music, HAS INCREASED. Why? Because > Spotify makes it SO DAMN EASY!!! Yes, IN Norway, people would rathe pay 1= 0 > dollars a month for unlimited access to music, than A) Have Adverts, or B= ) > be bothered to track down torrents and steal it. > > So Spotify is getting people USED to paying again, thats a good thing! > > So, music sales dead? I dont think so, its just that in the cusp between > technologies, it was easier to download all the Beatles Albums in one go > from Pirate Bay, than to login to iTunes (can ANYONE remember their Apple > ID??) > So now, because of that Spotify can charge what they fucking like and pay > artists what they fucking like. > > And that the only thing I don=C2=B4t like... IS THAT SO BAD? > > Man in Supermarket: How much is that Tin of Beans? > Shop Keeper: 2 cents > Man in Supermarket: A bargain, Ill have 100 tins then > Shop Keeper on phone to bean manufacturer: Send more beans they=C2=B4re s= elling > like crazy! Oh and Im going to pay you 1 dollar for a million tins > Bean Manufacturer: Fuck off *click* > > You can either > 1) sell your stuff for a reasonable amount or > 2) give it away or > 3) give it to someone else to make all the money from.. > > > I choose the first two > > > M > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 20:42:29 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF47418349A; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 20:42:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=trufun.com; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; bh=GgwuXQarDlyArJgKvO/5fSofbn49j5zveQ/V+L5CgvY=; b=AQaq+3YfS1sFytNqQactOl6E4PLjFsEMIAMnTgNpiSj99wo3jUE8ONCKipTsuZzYZFjpY1GCNl6igkrR+fzzf/wMJJYvER8gNO6RiFFqsGAkEhjGVVYRALEA2e24meHp; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: making a living From: David Gans In-Reply-To: <1C034AD0-778A-455B-9D17-60E2C023502F@mac.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:42:28 -0800 Cc: David Gans Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <36DC1F53-D0BE-4DFA-B587-74AB0B59E53D@trufun.com> References: <1C034AD0-778A-455B-9D17-60E2C023502F@mac.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: vps.gdhour.com: acl_c_relayhosts_text_entry: david@trufun.com|trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 20:42:29 +0000 (UTC) Another great post - thank you, Daniel Thomas. Problem is, there is an endless supply of musicians (or wildly disparate = soil and taken levels) willing to do the gig, which drives the price = down into the dirt. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 20:49:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0CBD183499; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 20:49:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=VQkoIlaFeV3Jkq/ZvYyJqyneZRY2VneuHG3psO29ZWI=; b=Xl2pb/DlOlSSk1H6chqN1WdIkrh/mWKs4UP15+w5ZrTjzIFi4nCbkf+hlP+boc8KLs sv8puV6Lh9u4BQxgUr7XjN/a+dgapxzgw/OH+93in0xJMJkz88/Fwd9VVCYPbhr4cZfp LcKUmD2/q2KdrgMtLObBAZoVUkXdhvcedjBA6lXnzx5ocVS4wpucaChMRBsCMKpuutWe ND/6ElNcIj84cSgowf5d04Gc+g/hM9v0ufG46uw/h7CCHDNPSLIZ/bHrYH7huDmp6Vg7 glUj6U2ongtuqDM03B9a7lbDMZuaZJ2U6TW6rfyBXrl1JdAjrzj/X9DvNxlnoTAURavm JqmA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.196.196 with SMTP id eh4mr6467224qab.68.1359578981371; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:49:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1359576197.17687.YahooMailNeo@web161302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 15:49:41 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300fb4453a909b04d487a68f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 20:49:41 +0000 (UTC) --20cf300fb4453a909b04d487a68f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Without taking anything away from Per's remarks and without the intent of sidetracking this interesting discussion, anyone who believes in the idea of paradigms (irreconcilable conceptual schemes) should read Davidson's "On the Very Idea of a Conceptual Scheme". Should such things interest you: http://files.meetup.com/328570/davidson_on-the-very-idea.pdf Sylvain On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Well, if anyone of you happen to NOT read all the news from all > countries in the world I can report that in Sweden we have seen a > public release today of a research report on the Swedish music > industry. An amazing fact is that the industry has grown by 4 percent > during 2011 - and that is a lot due to the effect of streaming. For > the first time incomes from streaming and digitally distributed music > exceeds physical sales, at 56 percent vs 44. > > Generally, if one looks into the film and games markets it may show > that the "recording industry" has not died, just moved to another > place. An it left behind old inhabitants that didn't care to come > along in the move (hence a lot of the whining about this) - one very > typical sign of a "paradigm shift", in case you are familiar with > Kuhn's book on that: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Kuhn > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Steve Uccello > wrote: > > I have only been skimming through on this thread, so not sure if this > > totally fits in to it, but I think this awesome, ranting blog post by > > bassist Jeff Schmidt would interest some of you...? > > > > http://beautiful-bass.com/blog/?p=3D398 > > > > ________________________________ > > From: mark francombe > > To: loopers-delight > > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:57 AM > > Subject: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com > > > > I wont comment on the issues you pointed out on others posts, just > mine... > > > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Todd Elliott > wrote: > > > > > > The record companies before, at least came from a standpoint of loving > > music, now the music business is being strangled by the distributors > (Apple, > > Spotify etc) Its of course ther own fault for not jumping in quick and > > building their own online music services, and spent too much time > stamping > > on Napster instead... Now the CEO of Napster is a Board member of Spoti= fy > > and hes considered a legit businessman... Go figure! > > > > Nope. Record companies have always been in the business to make money > > > > > > Didnt say theys weren't, and I dont think that makes them bad per se > either. > > I have 2 business, and Id like them to make money, (one does the other > > doesn't) > > > > > > (even Dischord, or whatever your favorite punk rock label is; they at > least > > want to cover their own expenses, which involves selling things for > cash). > > > > > > No problem with that, where ARE you getting that i want record companie= s > to > > work for free? Did I say that? I think not! > > > > > > They got better at it over time (pop music is now largely a series of > > formulas, with as many as 8 songwriters working on something). > > > > > > You say NOW largely formula, I can vouch that it wasn't so in the 90s, = a > > pair of song writers maybe, but not 6.. So THATS what it takes to sell = a > > record now does it, ok, I rest my case, there is OH SO NO money in the > > business for creativity, that they have to resort to these so called > > formulas.. how sad... > > > > > > The basic, original business model of record companies relied on them > > controlling distribution. > > > > > > This is purely a US-centric situation, because the biggest record shop = in > > the US was Wallmart.. or some such shit... the majors in Europe often > had to > > go thru distribution networks that were wholely seperate, and Indie > music in > > particular, which became so all encompassing that all majors had a few > fake > > indie companies under their belts (I should know I was on one) had to g= o > > thru indie distribution to, A) get in the Indie charts and B) got on > > alternative TV, like MTV after hours, 120 minutes etc... > > > > > > When people figured out how to (re)distribute it themselves, they > decided it > > wasn't worth as much as the record companies were charging. > > > > > > Not true, didn't happen like that at all... > > > > > > When it became easy to get for free, they decided it was free. > > > > > > Also not true, they stole when it became easy to steal, decided it was > > free??? What kind of bollocks is that? > > > > OK; Heres something interesting. > > > > There IS something good about Spotify actually! > > In Norway and Sweden, record sales have been dropping steadily since > 2001 by > > 17% per year... Now they didnt manages to start factoring in the sales = of > > Downloads till 2006, but it turns out that for the last 2 years RECORD > > SALES... stop.. damn force of habit... MUSIC SALES HAVE INCREASED!!! Th= e > > number of people prepared to pay for music, HAS INCREASED. Why? Because > > Spotify makes it SO DAMN EASY!!! Yes, IN Norway, people would rathe pay > 10 > > dollars a month for unlimited access to music, than A) Have Adverts, or > B) > > be bothered to track down torrents and steal it. > > > > So Spotify is getting people USED to paying again, thats a good thing! > > > > So, music sales dead? I dont think so, its just that in the cusp betwee= n > > technologies, it was easier to download all the Beatles Albums in one g= o > > from Pirate Bay, than to login to iTunes (can ANYONE remember their App= le > > ID??) > > So now, because of that Spotify can charge what they fucking like and p= ay > > artists what they fucking like. > > > > And that the only thing I don=B4t like... IS THAT SO BAD? > > > > Man in Supermarket: How much is that Tin of Beans? > > Shop Keeper: 2 cents > > Man in Supermarket: A bargain, Ill have 100 tins then > > Shop Keeper on phone to bean manufacturer: Send more beans they=B4re > selling > > like crazy! Oh and Im going to pay you 1 dollar for a million tins > > Bean Manufacturer: Fuck off *click* > > > > You can either > > 1) sell your stuff for a reasonable amount or > > 2) give it away or > > 3) give it to someone else to make all the money from.. > > > > > > I choose the first two > > > > > > M > > > > > > -- > > Mark Francombe > > www.markfrancombe.com > > www.ordoabkhao.com > > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > > http://www.looop.no > > twitter @markfrancombe > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > > > > > --20cf300fb4453a909b04d487a68f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Without taking anything away from Per's remarks a= nd without the intent of=A0sidetracking this interesting discussion, anyone= who believes in the idea of paradigms (irreconcilable conceptual schemes) = should read Davidson's "On the Very Idea of a Conceptual Scheme&qu= ot;. =A0


Sylvain=


O= n Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
Well, if anyone of you happen to NOT read al= l the news from all
countries in the world I can report that in Sweden we have seen a
public release today of a research report on the Swedish music
industry. An amazing fact is that the industry has grown by 4 percent
during 2011 - and that is a lot due to the effect of streaming. For
the first time incomes from streaming and digitally distributed music
exceeds physical sales, at 56 percent vs 44.

Generally, if one looks into the film and games markets it may show
that the "recording industry" has not died, just moved to another=
place. An it left behind old inhabitants that didn't care to come
along in the move (hence a lot of the whining about this) - one very
typical sign of a "paradigm shift", in case you are familiar with=
Kuhn's book on that:
http= ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Kuhn

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen


On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 9:03 = PM, Steve Uccello <stevebassb= ird@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I have only been skimming through on this thread, so not sure if this<= br> > totally fits in to it, but I think this awesome, ranting blog post by<= br> > bassist Jeff Schmidt would interest some of you...?
>
> = http://beautiful-bass.com/blog/?p=3D398
>
> ________________________________
> From: mark francombe <mar= k@markfrancombe.com>
> To: loopers-delight <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:57 AM
> Subject: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com
>
> I wont comment on the issues you pointed out on others posts, just min= e...
>
> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Todd Elliott <toddbert@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> The record companies before, at least came from a standpoint of loving=
> music, now the music business is being strangled by the distributors (= Apple,
> Spotify etc) Its of course ther own fault for not jumping in quick and=
> building their own online music services, and spent too much time stam= ping
> on Napster instead... Now the CEO of Napster is a Board member of Spot= ify
> and hes considered a legit businessman... Go figure!
>
> Nope. Record companies have always been in the business to make money<= br> >
>
> Didnt say theys weren't, and I dont think that makes them bad per = se either.
> I have 2 business, and Id like them to make money, (one does the other=
> doesn't)
>
>
> (even Dischord, or whatever your favorite punk rock label is; they at = least
> want to cover their own expenses, which involves selling things for ca= sh).
>
>
> No problem with that, where ARE you getting that i want record compani= es to
> work for free? Did I say that? I think not!
>
>
> They got better at it over time (pop music is now largely a series of<= br> > formulas, with as many as 8 songwriters working on something).
>
>
> You say NOW largely formula, I can vouch that it wasn't so in the = 90s, a
> pair of song writers maybe, but not 6.. So THATS what it takes to sell= a
> record now does it, ok, I rest my case, there is OH SO NO money in the=
> business for creativity, that they have to resort to these so called > formulas.. how sad...
>
>
> The basic, original business model of record companies relied on them<= br> > controlling distribution.
>
>
> This is purely a US-centric situation, because the biggest record shop= in
> the US was Wallmart.. or some such shit... the majors in Europe often = had to
> go thru distribution networks that were wholely seperate, and Indie mu= sic in
> particular, which became so all encompassing that all majors had a few= fake
> indie companies under their belts (I should know I was on one) had to = go
> thru indie distribution to, A) get in the Indie charts and B) got on > alternative TV, like MTV after hours, 120 minutes etc...
>
>
> When people figured out how to (re)distribute it themselves, they deci= ded it
> wasn't worth as much as the record companies were charging.
>
>
> Not true, didn't happen like that at all...
>
>
> When it became easy to get for free, they decided it was free.
>
>
> Also not true, they stole when it became easy to steal, decided it was=
> free??? What kind of bollocks is that?
>
> OK; Heres something interesting.
>
> There IS something good about Spotify actually!
> In Norway and Sweden, record sales have been dropping steadily since 2= 001 by
> 17% per year... Now they didnt manages to start factoring in the sales= of
> Downloads till 2006, but it turns out that for the last 2 years RECORD=
> SALES... stop.. damn force of habit... MUSIC SALES HAVE INCREASED!!! T= he
> number of people prepared to pay for music, HAS INCREASED. Why? Becaus= e
> Spotify makes it SO DAMN EASY!!! Yes, IN Norway, people would rathe pa= y 10
> dollars a month for unlimited access to music, than A) Have Adverts, o= r B)
> be bothered to track down torrents and steal it.
>
> So Spotify is getting people USED to paying again, thats a good thing!=
>
> So, music sales dead? I dont think so, its just that in the cusp betwe= en
> technologies, it was easier to download all the Beatles Albums in one = go
> from Pirate Bay, than to login to iTunes (can ANYONE remember their Ap= ple
> ID??)
> So now, because of that Spotify can charge what they fucking like and = pay
> artists what they fucking like.
>
> And that the only thing I don=B4t like... IS THAT SO BAD?
>
> Man in Supermarket: How much is that Tin of Beans?
> Shop Keeper: 2 cents
> Man in Supermarket: A bargain, Ill have 100 tins then
> Shop Keeper on phone to bean manufacturer: Send more beans they=B4re s= elling
> like crazy! Oh and Im going to pay you 1 dollar for a million tins
> Bean Manufacturer: Fuck off *click*
>
> You can either
> 1) sell your stuff for a reasonable amount or
> 2) give it away or
> 3) give it to someone else to make all the money from..
>
>
> I choose the first two
>
>
> M
>
>
> --
> Mark Francombe
> www.markfra= ncombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao= .com
> http://vimeo= .com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no<= /a>
> twitter @markfrancombe
>
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
>
>


--20cf300fb4453a909b04d487a68f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 21:02:47 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4633818349A; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:02:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=VTYKwcBG7U/8Lgrn0SskgOwyoZNNS3fMbybgnJ4I8Bk=; b=hBxf5Opo3iY8WjXSYCDpN74IWqKPAQxtD6CJgVL646juERmN1VoIaJfDdaWDbubAnL s+ibac/rv70/nCylk8kVmuNI4AySJTStEE02Uq/vGylNz9j3term+K3sC1vA5kvy/cSA ePvsDB3RvR/kT551f+wpZ/a0e9d7Iff7K2aSYUGVtGd8/QTKElTvuWg0dhWJ7RQ2+8bU ZmMnHJERg7EG8ZK62zj1UqzelQiw5YzX8addXg3PmfOFNQnVhPQb2kVGzBktqlSLQld6 N7cpMb7vGRptyFqfQDs5tCD/etfMMRK90Q6CuWyOc5O/1MFe0KJtvK9A5aHwfU3ibhIA 157A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.145.8 with SMTP id sq8mr5789185lab.21.1359579765723; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 13:02:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 13:02:45 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article. From: Tim Thompson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Tim Thompson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f22bc29fad33f04d487d4a3 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkGzDSuAWggLUrJ289A5eITYVx9Z2MnUYre3UDXoMcrweG412RHNp9AMK8gtHr739keW4Bb Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:02:47 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f22bc29fad33f04d487d4a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > The guys making whale blubber were not going to persist in doing it once > > the market caved, and no one would continue to be interested in their > > product. If the analogy is to the selling of recordings, not records. i.e > .> not to a physical product necessarily, then one must point out that the > > workers do continue to be interested in the making (that would be > everyone > > reading this), and there continues to be a pool of folks interested in > the > > results. > They may be interested in *hearing* the results, but the number of people > interested in *paying* for them is dwindling, and continues to dwindle. > I think you missed his point, which is that the number of people voluntarily willing to *make* music (with high quality and easy distribution because of new technology) is large and the vast majority of those people are not dependent on being paid for it. If lots of people were willing to do plumbing for free, the price of plumbers would plummet. There are only a few things that people will voluntarily do without being paid, and for which there are currently professions where people can make a decent living. In most of those cases, the people being paid well are highly exceptional and rare - e.g. professional athletes - and sometimes the rarity is due to marketing or artificial scarcity rather than content, and in those cases it's the people who market it or create artificial scarcity that are the ones who get paid. ...Tim... --e89a8f22bc29fad33f04d487d4a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> The guys= making whale blubber were not going to persist in doing it=A0once
> the market caved, and no one would continue to be interested in their<= br> > product. If the analogy is to the selling of recordings, not records. = i.e
=A0.> not to a physical product necessarily, then one must point out tha= t the
> workers do continue to be interested in the making (that would be ever= yone
> reading this), and there continues to be a pool of folks interested in= the
> results.
They may be interested in *hearing* the results, but the number of people interested in *paying* for them is dwindling, and continues to dwindle.
=

I think you missed his point, which is tha= t the number of people voluntarily willing to *make* music (with high quali= ty and easy distribution because of new technology) is large and the vast m= ajority of those people are not dependent on being paid for it. =A0If lots = of people were willing to do plumbing for free, the price of plumbers would= plummet.

There are only a few things that people will voluntaril= y do without being paid, and for which there are currently professions wher= e people can make a decent living. =A0In most of those cases, the people be= ing paid well are highly exceptional and rare - e.g. professional=A0athlete= s - and sometimes the rarity is due to marketing or artificial scarcity rat= her than content, and in those cases it's the people who market it or c= reate artificial scarcity that are the ones who get paid.

=A0 =A0 ...Tim...
--e89a8f22bc29fad33f04d487d4a3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 21:16:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E525618349A; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:16:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=axKmy2Skftf7WOLJ9P0QY1GOvMZC4dnUHzay7vjBYBM=; b=0AvPRllZbNemoqZ/xwD6rhX5ncu8LmTWMQr2OClDn1o0rNZW7iUIhi/bvTf++EY5Ty qWSVIWB4ArRZ2+ul/rzIUmVdVa2Ed/J5O84bDv4TQytXCNdn1F6zsyjGEHsGBlIzxYcf gaxmv9iDHxI+sMjhgb1NBw9/HELMALEVIysS2/5hbAbcdcit1oMCM/GMxNnAi1A5buXJ jQWyhpPJ45SPGHLuMTvPnJLpzVOhxWGlh/RtMwDT9jP1GzaJ1MlrdSp351a9UCy1K0IL nU/3XkkrI/uI6LlEN7AuQHng18mOSpIjvJ4spT3cW2gxnY6LuJSWrwbEhq7UHNZ/8yhx dsiA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.237.5 with SMTP id uy5mr4631032igc.12.1359580601159; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 13:16:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 13:16:41 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com From: Todd Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044787fbc6918404d48806e9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:16:41 +0000 (UTC) --f46d044787fbc6918404d48806e9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:57 AM, mark francombe wrote: > I wont comment on the issues you pointed out on others posts, just mine... > > > >> When people figured out how to (re)distribute it themselves, they decided >> it wasn't worth as much as the record companies were charging. > > > Not true, didn't happen like that at all... > Really? Then why did sales enter the shitter? > > >> When it became easy to get for free, they decided it was free. > > > Also not true, they stole when it became easy to steal, decided it was > free??? What kind of bollocks is that? > It's exactly what happened. When music became readily available for free, people took it. The morality of downloading music didn't bother them at all; it became free because people didn't pay for it, and could take it (by and large) without consequence. They chose to do so. > > *OK; Heres something interesting.* > > There IS something good about Spotify actually! > In Norway and Sweden, record sales have been dropping steadily since 2001 > by 17% per year... Now they didnt manages to start factoring in the sales > of Downloads till 2006, but it turns out that for the last 2 years RECORD > SALES... stop.. damn force of habit... MUSIC SALES HAVE INCREASED!!! The > number of people prepared to pay for music, HAS INCREASED. Why? Because > Spotify makes it SO DAMN EASY!!! Yes, IN Norway, people would rathe pay 10 > dollars a month for unlimited access to music, than A) Have Adverts, or B) > be bothered to track down torrents and steal it. > Ok, so Spotify gets a bunch of money. Do the artists? If I sell a million records, and get two dollars for it (which is basically what the original article said), then who cares that people are 'paying for music'? > > So Spotify is getting people USED to paying again, thats a good thing! > It's great! If you work for Spotify, or are an investor in it. If you create what they stream, it doesn't matter. Hell, I think I have something on Spotify. Never seen a nickel. T -- http://toaster.bandcamp.com --f46d044787fbc6918404d48806e9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:57 AM, mark f= rancombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
I wont comment on the issues yo= u pointed out on others posts, just mine...
= =A0
=A0
When people figured out how to (re)distribut= e it themselves, they decided it wasn't worth as much as the record com= panies were charging.

Not true, didn't happen like that at all...

Really? Then why did= sales enter the shitter?
=A0
=A0
When it became easy to get for free, they decided it was free.=A0

Also not true, they stole when it became easy = to steal, decided it was free??? What kind of bollocks is that?

It's exactly what happened= . When music became readily available for free, people took it. The moralit= y of downloading music didn't bother them at all; it became free becaus= e people didn't pay for it, and could take it (by and large) without co= nsequence. They chose to do so.
=A0

OK; Heres something interesting.

=
There IS something good about Spotify actually!
In Norway an= d Sweden, record sales have been dropping=A0steadily=A0since 2001 by 17% pe= r year... Now they didnt manages to start factoring in the sales of Downloa= ds till 2006, but it turns out that for the last 2 years RECORD SALES... st= op.. damn force of habit... MUSIC SALES HAVE INCREASED!!! The number of peo= ple prepared to pay for music, HAS INCREASED. Why? Because Spotify makes it= SO DAMN EASY!!! Yes, IN Norway, people would rathe pay 10 dollars a month = for unlimited access to music, than A) Have Adverts, or B) be bothered to t= rack down torrents and steal it.

Ok, so Spotify gets a bu= nch of money. Do the artists? If I sell a million records, and get two doll= ars for it (which is basically what the original article said), then who ca= res that people are 'paying for music'?
=A0

So Spotify is getting people USED to paying again, that= s a good thing!

It's great! If you work for Spotify, or are an investor in it. If you = create what they stream, it doesn't matter. Hell, I think I have someth= ing on Spotify. Never seen a nickel.=A0

T


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http://toaster.band= camp.com --f46d044787fbc6918404d48806e9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 21:40:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BCA9183498; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:40:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=vPfPAAJlbObxoU1lUyaclJLWQfh80YqI8eEuaV45Qx0= c=1 sm=2 a=B9qZ06jegs4A:10 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=CjPoI9vkAAAA:8 a=19WK0WSmAAAA:8 a=JqEG_dyiAAAA:8 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=OUXYneDTAAAA:8 a=gB28bEPOAAAA:8 a=50Cz1CyOAAAA:8 a=sG2SANHyDq1eDcHK7gMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MBKGCMzIIjEA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=053Au2P4wpAA:10 a=zMq8AnxmSYkA:10 a=hyf8RQberiUwrEsV:21 a=Qafr5veyZTTneq2k:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=tBEiy4JIqhVjth__:21 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 64.180.196.102 From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--977274390 Subject: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 13:40:14 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:40:24 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--977274390 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dont' know if anyone reads Lefsetz, but here's his take on this: http://nyti.ms/Xbx7h9 No one ever reads to the end. Wherein it is stated, by both Cliff = Burnstein and Don Passman, paragons of the old model, that the future's = so bright they gotta wear shades. Isn't it funny that the artists are bitching about Spotify. You didn't = hear them bitching and moaning about Napster, except for Metallica, = which is now on the Spotify bandwagon. A. Because many of the artists = were ignorant. B. Because they saw it as a way to get their music into = the hands of potential fans. Artists are still ignorant, but a little = knowledge goes a long way. Having been ripped off by record labels = forever, having seen their incomes go down, they're fearful of the = future. Want to know what's coming down the pike? Don't ask an artist. = He'll go on about the glory days of vinyl and recording to tape...and if = you think either of these are the future, you're unaware that vinyl, = despite the hoopla of its supposed comeback, still makes up less than 1% = of total sales. To champion vinyl as the future is to make your = arguments about Spotify irrelevant, because Spotify pays so much better. = And the Internet is still the best way to expose your music to fans. You = used to have to buy it to hear it, or listen endlessly to the radio to = hear one track. But now everything is available on YouTube! YouTube! It snuck in the back door. Because the labels wouldn't license = Spotify. Time truly is money. As well as opportunity. And credit the = labels for now knowing this. They all got a piece of Spotify, and = they're gearing up for streaming... Hell, Jimmy Iovine, the label titan, = is about to blow up MOG/Daisy. If CD and track sales were the future do = you think he'd be investing all this time and money? OF COURSE NOT! What we're seeing is the labels getting smart. Being in front of the = customer for the very first time. Credit them. This is how you play. By = developing what people don't even know they want. People didn't know = they wanted smartphones, but now smartphones own the market. People = don't know they want to subscribe to streaming services, but they're = gonna sign up in droves. For portability. You've got to pay to get the tracks on your handset. And thousands sync = like you own them, there's no costly bandwidth involved. But nobody = seems to know this. The streaming services can't penetrate the public's = perception. But once the acts start to testify, people will get it and = spread the word. Yup, expect MOG/Daisy to employ a scorched earth "I = Want My MTV" campaign. Spotify? MOG/Daisy is poised to wipe it out. As = for big bad Apple... That's the gang that can't shoot straight, right? = Selling tracks is like selling CDs. Do you see any Tower Records stores? = Do you see ANY record stores? But you keep complaining you can't get paid. I've got one word for you...SCALE! Once everybody has a subscription, there's TONS of money involved. As for who's gonna get it... The lion's share of revenue for streaming services is paid to rights = holders. Assuming you own your rights, that will be a lot. But don't expect the wannabes or the middle class to profit handsomely. = Because we live in winner-take-all world. PSY made $8 million from = YouTube on "Gangnam Style." You put your video up...and not only did no = one see it, you didn't get paid. Sucks, doesn't it? Either you're a superstar or you're nothing. But that's got nothing to do with music. There's one Amazon. One Google. There's Android and Apple in = smartphones. If you think BlackBerry and Microsoft have a chance, you = own stock. Furthermore, you now get paid over the life of the copyright. Talk to = any aged musician, the money's all in the PUBLISHING! You get paid = forever. The upfront advance was never the size it was with your record = deal, but now that you're sixty, you still get paid. Make a record that = sticks, you'll get paid by streaming services for the rest of your life. Which one? Could be Spotify, MOG/Daisy or Deezer...Rdio's already history. Will = only be one. But there will be a ton of bread. As for getting someone to pay you to create... Mmm...major labels only = want hit acts now anyway. They'll always want hit acts. They'll always = pay for hit acts. So wannabes can use Kickstarter, which may fade in = power now that people are getting burned, paying and getting nothing. = But one thing's for sure. You're now in business with your fanbase. = Know who each fan is, and sell sell sell and ask ask ask. They'll = support you, always have. That's what going on the road is all about, a = fan relationship. Ignore the hysteria about streaming payments. Just concentrate on making = great music and building a fanbase. There's plenty of money to be made. You just don't know it yet. --=20 Visit the archive: http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/=20 -- http://www.twitter.com/lefsetz -- If you would like to subscribe to the LefsetzLetter,=20 http://www.lefsetz.com/lists/?p=3Dsubscribe&id=3D1 richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.goodnaturefarms.com On Jan 30, 2013, at 1:16 PM, Todd Elliott wrote: >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:57 AM, mark francombe = wrote: > I wont comment on the issues you pointed out on others posts, just = mine... > =20 > =20 > When people figured out how to (re)distribute it themselves, they = decided it wasn't worth as much as the record companies were charging. >=20 > Not true, didn't happen like that at all... >=20 > Really? Then why did sales enter the shitter? > =20 > =20 > When it became easy to get for free, they decided it was free.=20 >=20 > Also not true, they stole when it became easy to steal, decided it was = free??? What kind of bollocks is that? >=20 > It's exactly what happened. When music became readily available for = free, people took it. The morality of downloading music didn't bother = them at all; it became free because people didn't pay for it, and could = take it (by and large) without consequence. They chose to do so. > =20 >=20 > OK; Heres something interesting. >=20 > There IS something good about Spotify actually! > In Norway and Sweden, record sales have been dropping steadily since = 2001 by 17% per year... Now they didnt manages to start factoring in the = sales of Downloads till 2006, but it turns out that for the last 2 years = RECORD SALES... stop.. damn force of habit... MUSIC SALES HAVE = INCREASED!!! The number of people prepared to pay for music, HAS = INCREASED. Why? Because Spotify makes it SO DAMN EASY!!! Yes, IN Norway, = people would rathe pay 10 dollars a month for unlimited access to music, = than A) Have Adverts, or B) be bothered to track down torrents and steal = it. >=20 > Ok, so Spotify gets a bunch of money. Do the artists? If I sell a = million records, and get two dollars for it (which is basically what the = original article said), then who cares that people are 'paying for = music'? > =20 >=20 > So Spotify is getting people USED to paying again, thats a good thing! >=20 > It's great! If you work for Spotify, or are an investor in it. If you = create what they stream, it doesn't matter. Hell, I think I have = something on Spotify. Never seen a nickel.=20 >=20 > T >=20 >=20 > --=20 > http://toaster.bandcamp.com --Apple-Mail-1--977274390 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Dont' = know if anyone reads Lefsetz, but here's his take on = this:

http://nyti.ms/Xbx7h9

No one = ever reads to the end. Wherein it is stated, by both Cliff Burnstein and = Don Passman, paragons of the old model, that the future's so bright they = gotta wear shades.

Isn't it funny that the artists are bitching = about Spotify. You didn't hear them bitching and moaning about Napster, = except for Metallica, which is now on the Spotify bandwagon. A. Because = many of the artists were ignorant. B. Because they saw it as a way to = get their music into the hands of potential fans. Artists are still = ignorant, but a little knowledge goes a long way. Having been ripped off = by record labels forever, having seen their incomes go down, they're = fearful of the future. Want to know what's coming down the pike? Don't = ask an artist. He'll go on about the glory days of vinyl and recording = to tape...and if you think either of these are the future, you're = unaware that vinyl, despite the hoopla of its supposed comeback, still = makes up less than 1% of total sales. To champion vinyl as the future is = to make your arguments about Spotify irrelevant, because Spotify pays so = much better. And the Internet is still the best way to expose your music = to fans. You used to have to buy it to hear it, or listen endlessly to = the radio to hear one track.

But now everything is available on = YouTube!

YouTube! It snuck in the back door. Because the labels = wouldn't license Spotify. Time truly is money. As well as opportunity. = And credit the labels for now knowing this. They all got a piece of = Spotify, and they're gearing up for streaming... Hell, Jimmy Iovine, the = label titan, is about to blow up MOG/Daisy. If CD and track sales were = the future do you think he'd be investing all this time and money? OF = COURSE NOT!

What we're seeing is the labels getting smart. Being = in front of the customer for the very first time. Credit them. This is = how you play. By developing what people don't even know they want. = People didn't know they wanted smartphones, but now smartphones own the = market. People don't know they want to subscribe to streaming services, = but they're gonna sign up in droves.

For = portability.

You've got to pay to get the tracks on your handset. = And thousands sync like you own them, there's no costly bandwidth = involved. But nobody seems to know this. The streaming services can't = penetrate the public's perception. But once the acts start to testify, = people will get it and spread the word. Yup, expect MOG/Daisy to employ = a scorched earth "I Want My MTV" campaign. Spotify? MOG/Daisy is poised = to wipe it out. As for big bad Apple... That's the gang that can't shoot = straight, right? Selling tracks is like selling CDs. Do you see any = Tower Records stores? Do you see ANY record stores?

But you keep = complaining you can't get paid.

I've got one word for = you...SCALE!

Once everybody has a subscription, there's TONS of = money involved.

As for who's gonna get it...

The lion's = share of revenue for streaming services is paid to rights = holders.

Assuming you own your rights, that will be a = lot.

But don't expect the wannabes or the middle class to profit = handsomely. Because we live in winner-take-all world. PSY made $8 = million from YouTube on "Gangnam Style." You put your video up...and not = only did no one see it, you didn't get paid.

Sucks, doesn't = it?

Either you're a superstar or you're nothing.

But = that's got nothing to do with music.

There's one Amazon. One = Google. There's Android and Apple in smartphones. If you think = BlackBerry and Microsoft have a chance, you own = stock.

Furthermore, you now get paid over the life of the = copyright. Talk to any aged musician, the money's all in the PUBLISHING! = You get paid forever. The upfront advance was never the size it was with = your record deal, but now that you're sixty, you still get paid. Make a = record that sticks, you'll get paid by streaming services for the rest = of your life.

Which one?

Could be Spotify, MOG/Daisy or = Deezer...Rdio's already history. Will only be one. But there  will = be a ton of bread.

As for getting someone to pay you to create... = Mmm...major labels only want hit acts now anyway. They'll always want = hit acts. They'll always pay for hit acts. So wannabes can use = Kickstarter, which may fade in power now that people are getting burned, = paying and getting nothing. But one thing's for sure.  You're now = in business with your fanbase. Know who each fan is, and sell sell sell = and ask ask ask. They'll support you, always have. That's what going on = the road is all about, a fan relationship.

Ignore the hysteria = about streaming payments. Just concentrate on making great music and = building a fanbase. There's plenty of money to be made.

You just = don't know it yet.


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On Jan 30, 2013, at 1:16 PM, Todd Elliott wrote:



On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:57 AM, mark francombe = <mark@markfrancombe.com> = wrote:
I wont comment on the issues = you pointed out on others posts, just = mine...
 
 
When people figured out how to = (re)distribute it themselves, they decided it wasn't worth as much as = the record companies were charging.

Not true, didn't happen like that at = all...

Really? = Then why did sales enter the shitter?
 
 
When it became easy to get for free, they decided it was = free. 

Also not true, they = stole when it became easy to steal, decided it was free??? What kind of = bollocks is that?

It's exactly what happened. = When music became readily available for free, people took it. The = morality of downloading music didn't bother them at all; it became free = because people didn't pay for it, and could take it (by and large) = without consequence. They chose to do so.
 

OK; Heres something = interesting.

There IS something good about = Spotify actually!
In Norway and Sweden, record sales have been = dropping steadily since 2001 by 17% per year... Now they didnt = manages to start factoring in the sales of Downloads till 2006, but it = turns out that for the last 2 years RECORD SALES... stop.. damn force of = habit... MUSIC SALES HAVE INCREASED!!! The number of people prepared to = pay for music, HAS INCREASED. Why? Because Spotify makes it SO DAMN = EASY!!! Yes, IN Norway, people would rathe pay 10 dollars a month for = unlimited access to music, than A) Have Adverts, or B) be bothered to = track down torrents and steal it.

Ok, so Spotify gets a = bunch of money. Do the artists? If I sell a million records, and get two = dollars for it (which is basically what the original article said), then = who cares that people are 'paying for music'?
 

So Spotify is getting people USED to paying again, = thats a good = thing!

It's = great! If you work for Spotify, or are an investor in it. If you create = what they stream, it doesn't matter. Hell, I think I have something on = Spotify. Never seen a nickel. 

T


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= --Apple-Mail-1--977274390-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 21:50:39 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CC4B183496; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:50:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=iUzzFus5DH9U6KKGF1nhYdabKoq+QFJNikS/yvs3POo=; b=rtpwbBheLlnyzaacF3ZWKVCnUjFZjGDCChj6ix+cTTv4d+ts1PLy6js0d6rnW2Nfy2 R8olTDs2HC0eSbqQQFVZfvSyLOIEWRsJEuQn20yx13HGZiVvGtDVQNXUwy1ZAKhjYMtF rLiQZlr+P66/zp5U9FASVu8XkT5WUlrFmmiKQJ44sMCXgiZdqC0rfKv/laHGcF+uYMDM 3cjjaAR0IHVp4DP1gV3EatfRDczb+Wu609qvh7ctS+RSRDnN9AqiLrlTeybtPDkNSaAb cs8ZAlqbsVeKqDG5uC6xAh12Tcb9TCtbwqkNa9Jy2Ina+qPdidO/BSbGnY5ILf5B+IxN PWYA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.72.136 with SMTP id d8mr7624646qev.62.1359582638804; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 13:50:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:50:38 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6d99643a8f5504d48880c3 Resent-Message-ID: <39TV2.A.ypB.vWZCRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:50:39 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b6d99643a8f5504d48880c3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://xkcd.com/386/ :) On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:58 PM, mark francombe wro= te: > Another duck and cover post by Mr Walker... get off that digest dude, and > get yer fists out, Im getting backed into a corner! > > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 8:57 PM, mark francombe w= rote: > >> I wont comment on the issues you pointed out on others posts, just mine.= .. >> >> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Todd Elliott wrote= : >> >>> >>> The record companies before, at least came from a standpoint of loving >>> music, now the music business is being strangled by the distributors >>> (Apple, Spotify etc) Its of course ther own fault for not jumping in qu= ick >>> and building their own online music services, and spent too much time >>> stamping on Napster instead... Now the CEO of Napster is a Board member= of >>> Spotify and hes considered a legit businessman... Go figure! >> >> Nope. Record companies have always been in the business to make money >> >> >> Didnt say theys weren't, and I dont think that makes them bad per se >> either. I have 2 business, and Id like them to make money, (one does the >> other doesn't) >> >> >>> (even Dischord, or whatever your favorite punk rock label is; they at >>> least want to cover their own expenses, which involves selling things f= or >>> cash). >> >> >> No problem with that, where ARE you getting that i want record companies >> to work for free? Did I say that? I think not! >> >> >>> They got better at it over time (pop music is now largely a series of >>> formulas, with as many as 8 songwriters working on something). >> >> >> You say NOW largely formula, I can vouch that it wasn't so in the 90s, a >> pair of song writers maybe, but not 6.. So THATS what it takes to sell a >> record now does it, ok, I rest my case, there is OH SO NO money in the >> business for creativity, that they have to resort to these so called >> formulas.. how sad... >> >> >>> The basic, original business model of record companies relied on them >>> controlling distribution. >> >> >> This is purely a US-centric situation, because the biggest record shop i= n >> the US was Wallmart.. or some such shit... the majors in Europe often ha= d >> to go thru distribution networks that were wholely seperate, and Indie >> music in particular, which became so all encompassing that all majors ha= d a >> few fake indie companies under their belts (I should know I was on one) = had >> to go thru indie distribution to, A) get in the Indie charts and B) got = on >> alternative TV, like MTV after hours, 120 minutes etc... >> >> >>> When people figured out how to (re)distribute it themselves, they >>> decided it wasn't worth as much as the record companies were charging. >> >> >> Not true, didn't happen like that at all... >> >> >>> When it became easy to get for free, they decided it was free. >> >> >> Also not true, they stole when it became easy to steal, decided it was >> free??? What kind of bollocks is that? >> >> *OK; Heres something interesting.* >> >> There IS something good about Spotify actually! >> In Norway and Sweden, record sales have been dropping steadily since 200= 1 >> by 17% per year... Now they didnt manages to start factoring in the sale= s >> of Downloads till 2006, but it turns out that for the last 2 years RECOR= D >> SALES... stop.. damn force of habit... MUSIC SALES HAVE INCREASED!!! The >> number of people prepared to pay for music, HAS INCREASED. Why? Because >> Spotify makes it SO DAMN EASY!!! Yes, IN Norway, people would rathe pay = 10 >> dollars a month for unlimited access to music, than A) Have Adverts, or = B) >> be bothered to track down torrents and steal it. >> >> So Spotify is getting people USED to paying again, thats a good thing! >> >> So, music sales dead? I dont think so, its just that in the cusp between >> technologies, it was easier to download all the Beatles Albums in one go >> from Pirate Bay, than to login to iTunes (can ANYONE remember their Appl= e >> ID??) >> So now, because of that Spotify can charge what they fucking like and pa= y >> artists what they fucking like. >> >> *And that the only thing I don=B4t like... IS THAT SO BAD?* >> >> Man in Supermarket: How much is that Tin of Beans? >> Shop Keeper: 2 cents >> Man in Supermarket: A bargain, Ill have 100 tins then >> Shop Keeper on phone to bean manufacturer: Send more beans they=B4re >> selling like crazy! Oh and Im going to pay you 1 dollar for a million ti= ns >> Bean Manufacturer: Fuck off *click* >> >> You can either >> 1) sell your stuff for a reasonable amount or >> 2) give it away or >> 3) give it to someone else to make all the money from.. >> >> >> I choose the first two >> >> >> M >> >> >> -- >> *Mark Francombe* >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >> > > > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > --047d7b6d99643a8f5504d48880c3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://xkcd.com/386/

:)

=
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:58 PM, mark francombe = <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
Another duck and cover post= by Mr Walker... get off that digest dude, and get yer fists out, Im gettin= g backed into a corner!


On Wed, Jan 3= 0, 2013 at 8:57 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
= I wont comment on the issues you pointed out on others posts, just mine...<= /div>

On Wed, Jan = 30, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Todd Elliott <toddbert@gmail.com> wrot= e:

The record companies before, at least came from a standpoint of loving = music, now the music business is being strangled by the distributors (Apple= , Spotify etc) Its of course ther own fault for not jumping in quick and bu= ilding their own online music services, and spent too much time stamping on= Napster instead... Now the CEO of Napster is a Board member of Spotify and= hes considered a legit=A0businessman... Go figure!
Nope. Record c= ompanies have always been in the business to make money

Didnt say theys=A0weren't, and I dont think t= hat makes them bad per se either. I have 2 business, and Id like them to ma= ke money, (one does the other doesn't)
=A0
(even Dischord, or whatever your favorite punk rock label is; they at least= want to cover their own expenses, which involves selling things for cash).=

No problem with that, where ARE you= getting that i want record companies to work for free? Did I say that? I t= hink not!
=A0
They got better at it over time (pop music i= s now largely a series of formulas, with as many as 8 songwriters working o= n something).

You say NOW largely formula, I can vouch that it = wasn't so in the 90s, a pair of song writers maybe, but not 6.. So THAT= S what it takes to sell a record now does it, ok, I rest my case, there is = OH SO NO money in the business for creativity, that they have to resort to = these so called formulas.. how sad...=A0
=A0
The basic, original business model of record= companies relied on them controlling distribution.

This is purely a US-centric situation, because th= e biggest record shop in the US was Wallmart.. or some such shit... the maj= ors in Europe often had to go thru=A0distribution=A0networks that were whol= ely seperate, and Indie music in particular,=A0which=A0became so all=A0enco= mpassing=A0that all majors had a few fake indie companies under their belts= (I should know I was on one) had to go thru indie distribution to, A) get = in the Indie charts and B) got on alternative TV, like MTV after hours, 120= minutes etc...
=A0
When people figured out how to (re)distribut= e it themselves, they decided it wasn't worth as much as the record com= panies were charging.

Not true, didn't happen like that at all...
=A0
When it became easy to get for free, they decided it was free.=A0

Also not true, they stole when it became easy = to steal, decided it was free??? What kind of bollocks is that?

OK; Heres something interesting.

=
There IS something good about Spotify actually!
In Norway an= d Sweden, record sales have been dropping=A0steadily=A0since 2001 by 17% pe= r year... Now they didnt manages to start factoring in the sales of Downloa= ds till 2006, but it turns out that for the last 2 years RECORD SALES... st= op.. damn force of habit... MUSIC SALES HAVE INCREASED!!! The number of peo= ple prepared to pay for music, HAS INCREASED. Why? Because Spotify makes it= SO DAMN EASY!!! Yes, IN Norway, people would rathe pay 10 dollars a month = for unlimited access to music, than A) Have Adverts, or B) be bothered to t= rack down torrents and steal it.

So Spotify is getting people USED to paying again, that= s a good thing!

So, music sales dead? I dont think so, its just that= in the cusp between technologies, it was easier to download all the Beatle= s Albums in one go from Pirate Bay, than to login to iTunes (can ANYONE rem= ember=A0their=A0Apple ID??)
So now, because of that Spotify can charge what they fucking like and = pay artists what they fucking like.=A0

And that= the only thing I don=B4t like... IS THAT SO BAD?

Man in Supermarket: How much is that Tin of Beans?
S= hop Keeper: 2 cents
Man in Supermarket: A bargain, Ill have 100 t= ins then
Shop Keeper on phone to bean manufacturer: Send more bea= ns they=B4re selling like crazy! Oh and Im going to pay you 1 dollar for a = million tins
Bean Manufacturer: Fuck off *click*

You can e= ither=A0
1) sell your stuff for a reasonable amount or
= 2) give it away or
3) give it to someone else to make all the mon= ey from..=A0


I choose the first two




--
Mark Francombe<= /u>
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>

--047d7b6d99643a8f5504d48880c3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 21:54:07 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DD21183494; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:54:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Z7vyIRrhxybQemdhOgkCDPdnt+uYwHGHxMsQnPyubVI=; b=bCeJDguzeZOpY5VEl+enPfFTVO87aOdk47RWFfniICsN+b73sXHculr20yL0eKsV15 Z7eWEc/F4tukBS/oukWQ9ksUkef/xfvFkZrebOnZfpl2iHlfspPk+DI4XzCa5wN0YpuB 3Njovs3XNg0xxsr9DMOruog6zIml6V4BnLzjrsTYQWKt41gW0s4eez2FxoJVvqUBHXJb +0G3S+xc8rn/UxfiQmyHnVAtIbv9IF8NZHrcPfz2t/CG7kzpMWtUg9xEaoOn6Qk+ouh5 tEvK0J47/YZrEJiXsYRvGddtU8PbawtZMsqVwql7cCrXo3mB7wtuOvHC2a3P1rld9/pt AtKw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.47.200 with SMTP id f8mr4869936ign.98.1359582846509; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 13:54:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 13:54:06 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com From: Todd Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340cc39be27704d4888c98 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:54:07 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340cc39be27704d4888c98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.isxkcdshittytoday.com On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: > http://xkcd.com/386/ > > :) > > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:58 PM, mark francombe w= rote: > >> Another duck and cover post by Mr Walker... get off that digest dude, an= d >> get yer fists out, Im getting backed into a corner! >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 8:57 PM, mark francombe = wrote: >> >>> I wont comment on the issues you pointed out on others posts, just >>> mine... >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Todd Elliott wrote= : >>> >>>> >>>> The record companies before, at least came from a standpoint of loving >>>> music, now the music business is being strangled by the distributors >>>> (Apple, Spotify etc) Its of course ther own fault for not jumping in q= uick >>>> and building their own online music services, and spent too much time >>>> stamping on Napster instead... Now the CEO of Napster is a Board membe= r of >>>> Spotify and hes considered a legit businessman... Go figure! >>> >>> Nope. Record companies have always been in the business to make money >>> >>> >>> Didnt say theys weren't, and I dont think that makes them bad per se >>> either. I have 2 business, and Id like them to make money, (one does th= e >>> other doesn't) >>> >>> >>>> (even Dischord, or whatever your favorite punk rock label is; they at >>>> least want to cover their own expenses, which involves selling things = for >>>> cash). >>> >>> >>> No problem with that, where ARE you getting that i want record companie= s >>> to work for free? Did I say that? I think not! >>> >>> >>>> They got better at it over time (pop music is now largely a series of >>>> formulas, with as many as 8 songwriters working on something). >>> >>> >>> You say NOW largely formula, I can vouch that it wasn't so in the 90s, = a >>> pair of song writers maybe, but not 6.. So THATS what it takes to sell = a >>> record now does it, ok, I rest my case, there is OH SO NO money in the >>> business for creativity, that they have to resort to these so called >>> formulas.. how sad... >>> >>> >>>> The basic, original business model of record companies relied on them >>>> controlling distribution. >>> >>> >>> This is purely a US-centric situation, because the biggest record shop >>> in the US was Wallmart.. or some such shit... the majors in Europe ofte= n >>> had to go thru distribution networks that were wholely seperate, and In= die >>> music in particular, which became so all encompassing that all majors h= ad a >>> few fake indie companies under their belts (I should know I was on one)= had >>> to go thru indie distribution to, A) get in the Indie charts and B) got= on >>> alternative TV, like MTV after hours, 120 minutes etc... >>> >>> >>>> When people figured out how to (re)distribute it themselves, they >>>> decided it wasn't worth as much as the record companies were charging. >>> >>> >>> Not true, didn't happen like that at all... >>> >>> >>>> When it became easy to get for free, they decided it was free. >>> >>> >>> Also not true, they stole when it became easy to steal, decided it was >>> free??? What kind of bollocks is that? >>> >>> *OK; Heres something interesting.* >>> >>> There IS something good about Spotify actually! >>> In Norway and Sweden, record sales have been dropping steadily since >>> 2001 by 17% per year... Now they didnt manages to start factoring in th= e >>> sales of Downloads till 2006, but it turns out that for the last 2 year= s >>> RECORD SALES... stop.. damn force of habit... MUSIC SALES HAVE INCREASE= D!!! >>> The number of people prepared to pay for music, HAS INCREASED. Why? Bec= ause >>> Spotify makes it SO DAMN EASY!!! Yes, IN Norway, people would rathe pay= 10 >>> dollars a month for unlimited access to music, than A) Have Adverts, or= B) >>> be bothered to track down torrents and steal it. >>> >>> So Spotify is getting people USED to paying again, thats a good thing! >>> >>> So, music sales dead? I dont think so, its just that in the cusp betwee= n >>> technologies, it was easier to download all the Beatles Albums in one g= o >>> from Pirate Bay, than to login to iTunes (can ANYONE remember their App= le >>> ID??) >>> So now, because of that Spotify can charge what they fucking like and >>> pay artists what they fucking like. >>> >>> *And that the only thing I don=B4t like... IS THAT SO BAD?* >>> >>> Man in Supermarket: How much is that Tin of Beans? >>> Shop Keeper: 2 cents >>> Man in Supermarket: A bargain, Ill have 100 tins then >>> Shop Keeper on phone to bean manufacturer: Send more beans they=B4re >>> selling like crazy! Oh and Im going to pay you 1 dollar for a million t= ins >>> Bean Manufacturer: Fuck off *click* >>> >>> You can either >>> 1) sell your stuff for a reasonable amount or >>> 2) give it away or >>> 3) give it to someone else to make all the money from.. >>> >>> >>> I choose the first two >>> >>> >>> M >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Mark Francombe* >>> www.markfrancombe.com >>> www.ordoabkhao.com >>> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >>> http://www.looop.no >>> twitter @markfrancombe >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> *Mark Francombe* >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >> > > --=20 http://toaster.bandcamp.com --14dae9340cc39be27704d4888c98 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.isxkcdshittytoday.c= om

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 1:50 PM, J= eff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
http://xkcd.com/386/

:)


On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:58 PM, mark franco= mbe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
Another duck and cover post= by Mr Walker... get off that digest dude, and get yer fists out, Im gettin= g backed into a corner!


On Wed, Jan 3= 0, 2013 at 8:57 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
= I wont comment on the issues you pointed out on others posts, just mine...<= /div>

On Wed, Jan = 30, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Todd Elliott <toddbert@gmail.com> wrot= e:

The record companies before, at least came from a standpoint of loving = music, now the music business is being strangled by the distributors (Apple= , Spotify etc) Its of course ther own fault for not jumping in quick and bu= ilding their own online music services, and spent too much time stamping on= Napster instead... Now the CEO of Napster is a Board member of Spotify and= hes considered a legit=A0businessman... Go figure!
Nope. Record c= ompanies have always been in the business to make money

Didnt say theys=A0weren't, and I dont think t= hat makes them bad per se either. I have 2 business, and Id like them to ma= ke money, (one does the other doesn't)
=A0
(even Dischord, or whatever your favorite punk rock label is; they at least= want to cover their own expenses, which involves selling things for cash).=

No problem with that, where ARE you= getting that i want record companies to work for free? Did I say that? I t= hink not!
=A0
They got better at it over time (pop music i= s now largely a series of formulas, with as many as 8 songwriters working o= n something).

You say NOW largely formula, I can vouch that it = wasn't so in the 90s, a pair of song writers maybe, but not 6.. So THAT= S what it takes to sell a record now does it, ok, I rest my case, there is = OH SO NO money in the business for creativity, that they have to resort to = these so called formulas.. how sad...=A0
=A0
The basic, original business model of record= companies relied on them controlling distribution.

This is purely a US-centric situation, because th= e biggest record shop in the US was Wallmart.. or some such shit... the maj= ors in Europe often had to go thru=A0distribution=A0networks that were whol= ely seperate, and Indie music in particular,=A0which=A0became so all=A0enco= mpassing=A0that all majors had a few fake indie companies under their belts= (I should know I was on one) had to go thru indie distribution to, A) get = in the Indie charts and B) got on alternative TV, like MTV after hours, 120= minutes etc...
=A0
When people figured out how to (re)distribut= e it themselves, they decided it wasn't worth as much as the record com= panies were charging.

Not true, didn't happen like that at all...
=A0
When it became easy to get for free, they decided it was free.=A0

Also not true, they stole when it became easy = to steal, decided it was free??? What kind of bollocks is that?

OK; Heres something interesting.

=
There IS something good about Spotify actually!
In Norway an= d Sweden, record sales have been dropping=A0steadily=A0since 2001 by 17% pe= r year... Now they didnt manages to start factoring in the sales of Downloa= ds till 2006, but it turns out that for the last 2 years RECORD SALES... st= op.. damn force of habit... MUSIC SALES HAVE INCREASED!!! The number of peo= ple prepared to pay for music, HAS INCREASED. Why? Because Spotify makes it= SO DAMN EASY!!! Yes, IN Norway, people would rathe pay 10 dollars a month = for unlimited access to music, than A) Have Adverts, or B) be bothered to t= rack down torrents and steal it.

So Spotify is getting people USED to paying again, that= s a good thing!

So, music sales dead? I dont think so, its just that= in the cusp between technologies, it was easier to download all the Beatle= s Albums in one go from Pirate Bay, than to login to iTunes (can ANYONE rem= ember=A0their=A0Apple ID??)
So now, because of that Spotify can charge what they fucking like and = pay artists what they fucking like.=A0

And that= the only thing I don=B4t like... IS THAT SO BAD?

Man in Supermarket: How much is that Tin of Beans?
S= hop Keeper: 2 cents
Man in Supermarket: A bargain, Ill have 100 t= ins then
Shop Keeper on phone to bean manufacturer: Send more bea= ns they=B4re selling like crazy! Oh and Im going to pay you 1 dollar for a = million tins
Bean Manufacturer: Fuck off *click*

You can e= ither=A0
1) sell your stuff for a reasonable amount or
= 2) give it away or
3) give it to someone else to make all the mon= ey from..=A0


I choose the first two


M


--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>



--
Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>




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= http://toaster.ba= ndcamp.com --14dae9340cc39be27704d4888c98-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 23:44:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA0F8183497; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 23:44:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5109B06A.9030204@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 15:44:42 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 23:44:41 +0000 (UTC) I get a lot of 'quit crying over spilt milk' kinds of responses to my own anger about the way that music and musicians have been so devalued in our culture due to the new paradigm shift of downloading (and the demise of the CD) I know it's not going to change (though I have some powerful friends who are attempting to come up with a new paradigm---more on that later), but what I've noticed is that people are really uncomfortable about anger being expressed openly in a public forum, but they seem completely okay with the major companies being completely usurous and exploitive. It's a sort of "regretful but that's the way it is and we are powerless over it." At the same time, major corporations spend millions of dollars trying to improve their images through the media (look at BP after their Gulf of Mexico debacle)...........the major corporations DO listen to public opinion and they do respond when there is a grass roots surge of protest. Even the largest company on earth, currently, Apple, is suddenly scrambling to try and bring some of their manufacturing back onto US soil because of universal public displeasure at the disclosures about the slave wage conditions of their Chinese manufacturing sites. At one point in this country in the last century, the major industries heavily exploited their laborers and they rose up against them and the Labor Unions were created and Child Labor laws were created and the 40 hour work week was established............all humanizing and positive influences in our culture. It took, however, major displeasure by the government and industry and a lot of indignant anger and organizing to forge those changes. iTunes, Spotify, Pandora and their ilk are exploitive..........period. point. dot. Apple went from a cool 'underground' artsy company to the largest multi-media (indeed, purely the largest) company on the planet, partially because of their technological innovation and partially because of this very exploitation. Why don't we all just say "NO, not any more" to these people? It has nothing to do with being an old fart. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 23:50:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34B91183496; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 23:50:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5109B1C6.90406@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 15:50:30 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: RE: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 23:50:28 +0000 (UTC) > I'm thinking Eno had it right : ""I think records were just a little > bubble through time and those who made a living from them for a while > were lucky. There is no reason why anyone should have made so much > money from selling records except that everything was right for this > period of time. I always knew it would run out sooner or later. It > couldn't last, and now it's running out. I don't particularly care > that it is and like the way things are going. The record age was just > a blip. It was a bit like if you had a source of whale blubber in the > 1840s and it could be used as fuel. Before gas came along, if you > traded in whale blubber, you were the richest man on Earth. Then gas > came along and you'd be stuck with your whale blubber. Sorry mate – > history's moving along. Recorded music equals whale blubber. > Eventually, something else will replace it." Yeah, the difference is that Eno became very, very famous during this so called 'bubble' and now commands very, very large fees for his services. He may be correct in his assertion of what's happening sociologically and technologically, but he's a hypocrite when he says he welcomes this change in culture. He already has 'HIS'. He prospers while younger artists around him who have every possibility of being as innovative as him languish, financially. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 30 23:52:45 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8ED031834A0; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 23:52:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5109B24F.80108@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 15:52:47 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com References: <-182961797866415518@unknownmsgid> In-Reply-To: <-182961797866415518@unknownmsgid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 23:52:45 +0000 (UTC) Here, Here, Mark On 1/30/2013 10:06 AM, mark francombe wrote: > An artist could expect to make 13% of an album, now it's more like > .03%!!! > All in saying is that sure times change, but why ACCEPT being ripped > off by the distributors... > > And I never EVER criticized the music biz... it's the Sellers (Apple > and Spotify exemplify these) who never EVER take any initiative to > find new music, develop artists, work with artists to get them > heard... nothing.. they just TAKE, cos theres nothing else.... > That CAN change, we did it in 1976 with punk for a while... we can do > it again... Boycott Spotify, Use bandcamp or CDBaby... > You have a choice... it ain't over till the fat lady puts her song on > iTunes. > > > M > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 00:06:52 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFCBC183496; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 00:06:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=oVKjYiNwVml9h3sKLqKUEXKdlxvNZZ9gVf1QyYhhp5k=; b=im58vYX+9rT/VCJ9zOjUfsM7o8kbB7kmqUwr+1pPrVLlUMDPZVWDl0ajAbPkMb04wZ fWq+4qQYE620HtpFZK2JLlcghp5RVyoX/POyii8Vo6BLHVG8N4oW/jKFjbK3jIAh2LRp SMoYL4QX78XfDFd5GDOmzZxK8B7UaZocR4q3XaTvuyrw8sohGrxviZXYCU2dvwZ8P76Z O4U6BdADmmFxqau8aDwwze4gL1SuflzSsIJyX26EooJuk3LHqwQMsZwmy7IweZAtXypJ 5PiSUZdow74Q8FTjICqUUsfodysVEYNqxGqbu9xgNbqV8lfSOGMcOBIaPloUvWqFOVz0 LGIQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.11.203 with SMTP id v11mr4724916icv.28.1359590812246; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:06:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5109B1C6.90406@cruzio.com> References: <5109B1C6.90406@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:06:52 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RE: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com From: Todd Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf301d3cde6762b404d48a67c2 Resent-Message-ID: <6Vk3N.A.G8C.cWbCRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 00:06:52 +0000 (UTC) --20cf301d3cde6762b404d48a67c2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't see him saying he welcomes the change, so much as he doesn't care it's occurring; it may be an easier position to hold when sleeping on a pile of money, but it doesn't make it an invalid one. On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > > I'm thinking Eno had it right : ""I think records were just a little >> bubble through time and those who made a living from them for a while we= re >> lucky. There is no reason why anyone should have made so much money from >> selling records except that everything was right for this period of time= . I >> always knew it would run out sooner or later. It couldn't last, and now >> it's running out. I don't particularly care that it is and like the way >> things are going. The record age was just a blip. It was a bit like if y= ou >> had a source of whale blubber in the 1840s and it could be used as fuel. >> Before gas came along, if you traded in whale blubber, you were the rich= est >> man on Earth. Then gas came along and you'd be stuck with your whale >> blubber. Sorry mate =96 history's moving along. Recorded music equals wh= ale >> blubber. Eventually, something else will replace it." >> > > Yeah, the difference is that Eno became very, very famous during this so > called 'bubble' > and now commands very, very large fees for his services. He may be correc= t > in his > assertion of what's happening sociologically and technologically, but he'= s > a hypocrite when > he says he welcomes this change in culture. He already has 'HIS'. He > prospers while younger artists around him who have every > possibility of being as innovative as him languish, financially. > > --=20 http://toaster.bandcamp.com --20cf301d3cde6762b404d48a67c2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't see him saying he welcomes the change, so much as he doesn'= t care it's occurring; it may be an easier position to hold when sleepi= ng on a pile of money, but it doesn't make it an invalid one.=A0
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

I'm thinking Eno had it right : ""I think records were just a= little bubble through time and those who made a living from them for a whi= le were lucky. There is no reason why anyone should have made so much money= from selling records except that everything was right for this period of t= ime. I always knew it would run out sooner or later. It couldn't last, = and now it's running out. I don't particularly care that it is and = like the way things are going. The record age was just a blip. It was a bit= like if you had a source of whale blubber in the 1840s and it could be use= d as fuel. Before gas came along, if you traded in whale blubber, you were = the richest man on Earth. Then gas came along and you'd be stuck with y= our whale blubber. Sorry mate =96 history's moving along. Recorded musi= c equals whale blubber. Eventually, something else will replace it."

Yeah, the difference is that Eno became very, very famous during this so ca= lled 'bubble'
and now commands very, very large fees for his services. He may be correct = in his
assertion of what's happening sociologically and technologically, but h= e's a hypocrite when
he says he welcomes this change in culture. He already has 'HIS'. H= e prospers while younger artists around him who have every
possibility of being as innovative as him languish, financially.




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http://toaster.bandcamp.com --20cf301d3cde6762b404d48a67c2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 00:52:26 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA001183498; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 00:52:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5109C04D.9040307@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:52:29 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com References: <1C034AD0-778A-455B-9D17-60E2C023502F@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <1C034AD0-778A-455B-9D17-60E2C023502F@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 00:52:26 +0000 (UTC) On 1/30/2013 12:24 PM, Daniel Thomas wrote: > Local musicians cannot do all that much about fat cat greed. But we > can stop playing out for dirt wages. No pearls before swine. I really agree with you on this, Daniel, but as someone who's still out there in the trenches trying to make a living wage as a performing musician (with a small amount from the dwindling number or people who pay to take music lessons) there are very, very few decent paying gigs any more. In the 80's, it was a point of pride to me not to take less that a couple of hundred bucks for a gig. In 2012, I had one gig that paid $60............all others were paid less than that. I am really interested in playing jazz (one of the historically worst paying forms of music there is, admittedly, but also representing one of the few remaining ways of getting in front of an audience where, ostensibly, other gigs and potential students and studio work can be generated). In our area the places who pay for jazz musicians to play with offer tips and a meal or up to $30 and a meal. I'm struggling to find out some way to keep living doing what I've done professionally for the last 35 straight years so I've elected to take those low paying gigs. There are still higher paying gigs (in the $100/person range) in Monterey and Carmel, but there are very, very few of them and the people who have those gigs are jealously holding onto them. Wedding, Parties and Bars that have constant, employable live music have just dwindled to very, very little. But as unfair as the sub-liveable wages are, the restaurant where I play, weekly, couldn't possibly afford to pay more.............for them, it's a labor of love to have Jazz at their establishment and they are also struggling financially. So, I'm with you but at this point where we live, I wouldn't play ever in public if I insisted on a liveable wage. It's a tough nut to crack and I'm not wild about it, to be honest. respectfully, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 01:52:31 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91BC2183497; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 01:52:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 32700.89308.bm@omp1061.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1359597150; bh=SKSCywz++icSoamhlWn1cNborvI6SR2Cx0hZ1airTHI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Pig2oJ2pxppDvzezffgyogT6Un2/spRiEhXJtCaMdjHUq2LHzGQfY0IzxaMY151ggJk3B5ouB1ZM2qZKQZGs0mcBQfjhiecPtbWX9vrIGCZNZZ8n5nBDw/MGz3fmMmQn+JmwucQ5c7Fn1cwj6WBbMomu8rcuqDIuYtfSsBCQoF8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iSYMnFUDKcLXn1ZjSAceJti3UeglLhP4NdHGE6QW10IWxKklxoUFlhlbWVRAYs5s+GGCRKPZxMY78GxnsyxjtJ9b8p/kQO4qkF3eIVXrDbXOUp/t7XDIenfu+sggP7LBGf6utkjl/cg31DDebJDQvfiWIrkMqnwiXy0ZKtDgQws= ; X-YMail-OSG: lEkrR4MVM1kvFm7U33vP_3nE1pVpFnDAXSJJYQgEqAspD_v 1a0V_k04y_oyLI0Nji89f5pc9.3iTMvXMeQEcdBZnpNtrzd9ShmBiB1jnYaO 7sJ9WC4ryCkvEyE9oSSWaQ0hGaWmtQuQOsw5P3uQvdNirwiDe8OQguw30LOt RZ_7XZyTsn7d06TQV.J9bys80Ddq56dsjkcv3oNWDrLm8O4RR9r0f2ESoHoq gWFoaV_Cex5xyZlaoHkr_dGr.YNCbV0TtVbEEeqg98jyZQG0CsWyrUiRAvgp K58JP0rlvVEmCvoov3Hxaagdy4t7inlkugQqdMDWXiqV8lZSx41TZM.puISG 9nYZVbuQhFvY58wsURMFUNPwLS0Dc73nxVpVnYqwLipkvMb9u7.xehhR0cnW x4bRhS2uxotM9O3ShePrioD.92AK37g6ehJL.TW49Tpprh6Wu94u20ydTqlS owi4W7qeslWbL6hAJtwOnEvG6e3fZY_328N2an4AvFXuoAgC7GTsAQvA9tgI i_MW65RZkFxUY69pAi_eKgkFk1skAygBzaaB8LGk4P4e_Nevh0rFICd8C9tQ Q1AtXwx10uWmfzYDyEKgupPuvfeeTl5stLeuiy1IelfZnto1DHdMxF.D_k7L V0xjNrdrIsdlnE_xfTMhnEor38oW9.XN2nX9rkTtrG76KBUU- X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,CgpBIHJldmlldyBvZiB0aGUgVEMgRWxlY3Ryb25pYyBEaXR0bzogaHR0cDovL3d3dy5wcmVtaWVyZ3VpdGFyLmNvbS9NYWdhemluZS9Jc3N1ZS8yMDEzL0ZlYi9UQ19FbGVjdHJvbmljX0RpdHRvX0xvb3Blcl9QZWRhbF9SZXZpZXcuYXNweAoKCnRlZAoKwqAKT3Igd291bGQgeW91IHNpbmcgc29tZXRoaW4nIGRpZmZlcmVudC4gU29tZXRoaW4nIHJlYWwuIFNvbWV0aGluJyAqeW91KiBmZWx0LiBDYXVzZSBJJ20gdGVsbGluZyB5b3UgcmlnaHQgbm93LCB0aGF0J3MgdGhlIGtpbmQgb2Ygc29uZyBwZW9wbGUgd2EBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.131.499 Message-ID: <1359597150.96146.YahooMailNeo@web162901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 17:52:30 -0800 (PST) From: ditch wrestler Reply-To: ditch wrestler Subject: TC Ditto loooper review To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1846104760-1568345361-1359597150=:96146" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 01:52:31 +0000 (UTC) ---1846104760-1568345361-1359597150=:96146 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0AA review of the TC Electronic Ditto: http://www.premierguitar.com/Mag= azine/Issue/2013/Feb/TC_Electronic_Ditto_Looper_Pedal_Review.aspx=0A=0A=0At= ed=0A=0A=A0=0AOr would you sing somethin' different. Somethin' real. Someth= in' *you* felt. Cause I'm telling you right now, that's the kind of song pe= ople want to hear. That's the kind of song that truly saves people. It ain'= t got nothin to do with believin' in God, Mr. Cash. It has to do with belie= vin' in yourself. Sam Phillips, "Walk the Line" ---1846104760-1568345361-1359597150=:96146 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Or would you sing somethin' different. Somethin' real. = Somethin' *you* felt. Cause I'm telling you right now, that's the kind of song people want to hear. That's the kind of song that truly saves people.= It ain't got nothin to do with believin' in God, Mr. Cash. It has to do wi= th believin' in yourself. Sam Phillips, "Walk the Line"
---1846104760-1568345361-1359597150=:96146-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 02:41:37 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3634183496; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 02:41:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 02:41:37 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: In-reply-to: <5109C04D.9040307@cruzio.com> References: <1C034AD0-778A-455B-9D17-60E2C023502F@mac.com> <5109C04D.9040307@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 20:19:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 02:41:37 +0000 (UTC) Looks like I started something -- -- Emile If you can walk, you can surely DANCE My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 04:44:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 402BA183499; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 04:44:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com From: Ed Durbrow In-Reply-To: <510912F4.9040003@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 13:44:01 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <019BE3EB-06BD-4DBE-89AD-18118EC44693@sea.plala.or.jp> References: <510912F4.9040003@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa01b; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 13:44:02 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 04:44:06 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 30, 2013, at 9:32 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > *Well folks, iTunes, one of the greatest rapists of musical = artistry, in the world charges 50% of ALL DOWNLOAD SALES.** > ** What is wrong with 50%? I don't think even the Rolling Stones ever got = 50%. Back in the days of records, a new band was lucky to get 5%, 3% was = common. Check out Magnatune, they share 50% with the artist. Their motto = is 'we are a record company, but we are not evil'. Unfortunately, their = business model has had to evolve, because people are not downloading. = They have shifted to a subscription fee. But you can still listen to a = whole album for free. For example (shameless plug), = http://magnatune.com/artists/primavera. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=3Dwatch http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 06:46:40 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8B4F183497; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 06:46:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1359614799; bh=S2EhmflKemVwxaTi90J9XgrWYO1vhN96xefI04znMGM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:X-Apple-Yahoo-Original-Message-Folder:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:X-Mailer:From:X-Apple-Yahoo-Replied-Msgid:Subject:Date:To; b=JBxPM9AIgZ8/Si8MzXVC2BMWLQPoOVa040R6IUVMG4uUErLSLCGXnNAy1gDmO6ikZ9MikSwiX3UNysZFAF3LBhAwqWLNcPCw/G8CgsTc7RvVCZhXWLAl6ANSm+98CL5vv/8xL4yCK7A3pLtKQthHg5p1/rlN/3MWmhy/NddFiO8= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 313291.66102.bm@smtp111-mob.biz.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: IzkGf.gVM1kKfeOw2c24LHRkaY.HwLBPW7qr09ZN2SJpXic PETKKJBqB6y_2azvGfmBDS2uftVNacE5BqblIzMRJp6SqYtbh0xDMAHMBKNi NpHst.Xx0srC_ihi0CAcjKaYbjShg_cS26vPHgVlKMXY9ehynisgCzzrHjac l5pyLPTBZH7JlpnMoZLYXlcrsdAA52I0YI7mXLGa28IIfEA4n4k7LQ6S3swC K8P8pWolGk523gVRYHzOR7RlHqyVkDduYlVLglIaWgiAtkUP.lifBjufwicL 7ECjsjMwDOrRvEh354IAIuKXHE8bJIjpgWvzU34gJnFpJYLO.PwIKzcwQ8Hj u3JML3R_TrTHHg6lEvmrSnX9QKkWk.LiAaqFkXa8t5SyIO2hVE8B1Lk4ZMOY ls8F_0Uf53gaW_5Nz7yM- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 7n7qsyGswBCgTbRPvUUz9QEYRfjrM9w1ZUA- References: <5109B06A.9030204@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <5109B06A.9030204@cruzio.com> X-Apple-Yahoo-Original-Message-Folder: Inbox Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8J2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <89DE47C6-C2F9-4DEB-8E6B-CB58D15B828B@yahoo.fr> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8J2) From: Antony Hequet X-Apple-Yahoo-Replied-Msgid: 2_0_0_1_2646445_AIAl5C4AAVq8UQmwaws4B2/M4cE Subject: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 07:46:33 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 06:46:40 +0000 (UTC) Right on Rick! Antony Hequet Poet composer On 31 janv. 2013, at 00:44, Rick Walker wrote: > I get a lot of 'quit crying over spilt milk' kinds of responses > to my own anger about the way that music and musicians have been so devalu= ed > in our culture due to the new paradigm shift of downloading (and the demis= e of the CD) >=20 > I know it's not going to change (though I have some powerful friends who a= re attempting to > come up with a new paradigm---more on that later), > but what I've noticed is that people are really uncomfortable about > anger being expressed openly in a public forum, but they seem completely > okay with the major companies being completely usurous and exploitive. > It's a sort of "regretful but that's the way it is and w= e > are powerless over it." >=20 > At the same time, major corporations spend millions of dollars trying to > improve their images through the media (look at BP after their Gulf of Mex= ico > debacle)...........the major corporations DO listen to public opinion and t= hey > do respond when there is a grass roots surge of protest. Even the largest= company > on earth, currently, Apple, is suddenly scrambling > to try and bring some of their manufacturing back onto US soil because of > universal public displeasure at the disclosures about the slave wage condi= tions > of their Chinese manufacturing sites. >=20 > At one point in this country in the last century, > the major industries heavily exploited their laborers and they rose up > against them and the Labor Unions were created and Child Labor laws > were created and the 40 hour work week was established............all > humanizing and positive influences in our culture. >=20 > It took, however, major displeasure by the government and industry > and a lot of indignant anger and organizing to forge those changes. >=20 > iTunes, Spotify, Pandora and their ilk are exploitive..........period. = point. dot. > Apple went from a cool 'underground' artsy company to the largest multi-m= edia > (indeed, purely the largest) company on the planet, partially because of= their > technological innovation and partially because of this very exploitation. >=20 > Why don't we all just say "NO, not any more" to these people? >=20 > It has nothing to do with being an old fart. >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 08:31:07 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63F8618349A; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 08:31:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=3pEssr5+DW6qJ4p1wZdGieYyUiZc82bMQ89IpLXjC88=; b=x3SLewxG7DHLPqfXQIXbnX4hs8EJjLTB7KEoIVCKDcZ6I2RoYQ0kL/EIhzQi0ldc6R Br3/dh1WLgMjNf4jPavFFrsc38WcJvtRnSrrG1WnvekS9mAUxIoh/Aj/Sampz8gAZWBd XeZSHdJeNXooxmS8nrBw3UxAkWtYXDV0HyMKhbO4isiIcfUHUKccY2OsUWUi2rNjUuwJ asdU/ZYK3hwX97PPHYcLB74E5Q0GXAdXVIVNfhZGAYH5rI3q+MJFLjhVt6Ia6LHCWdf6 V4KwuFOA4yBurxMIP0JD+Nto+VCX2vL76mkC4DPLzGkxZSCIx7pK2790rrSc/XwwuGdi JQpQ== X-Received: by 10.68.223.135 with SMTP id qu7mr20111648pbc.134.1359621066193; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 00:31:06 -0800 (PST) References: From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 09:21:49 +0100 Message-ID: <4059516921428910118@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b2ee30badfa5f04d4917224 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 08:31:07 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b2ee30badfa5f04d4917224 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I think you missed my point Todd, I am simply saying that what Spotify has done here in Scandinavia is placed a simple model for purchasing out there, that people have accepted, BUT they are not paying the artists, The consumers are now paying for music again, and it will increase. which means more to Spotify NOT artists. However if the cut was fair, maybe we would see some revenue getting to the musicians. It was torrents that killed the music biz, not downloads or streaming, but all models killed the musicians wage. CDBaby and Bandcamp both offer alternatives for online sales that actually are good for artists, So if Spotify has paved the way for the public to pay for music again, they may be happy to pay using other services than the rapists. ( to use Ricks original somewhat unpleasant analogy). Small correction to Pers comment, the Scandinavian figures are not about musicians wages, they are total music sales, it says nothing about musicians earning more. Just the industry, including Spotify. But it DOES show the markets willingness to pay for music is not dead. M Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 30 Jan 2013, at 22:16, Todd Elliott wrote: On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:57 AM, mark francombe wrote: > I wont comment on the issues you pointed out on others posts, just mine... > > > >> When people figured out how to (re)distribute it themselves, they decided >> it wasn't worth as much as the record companies were charging. > > > Not true, didn't happen like that at all... > Really? Then why did sales enter the shitter? > > >> When it became easy to get for free, they decided it was free. > > > Also not true, they stole when it became easy to steal, decided it was > free??? What kind of bollocks is that? > It's exactly what happened. When music became readily available for free, people took it. The morality of downloading music didn't bother them at all; it became free because people didn't pay for it, and could take it (by and large) without consequence. They chose to do so. > > *OK; Heres something interesting.* > > There IS something good about Spotify actually! > In Norway and Sweden, record sales have been dropping steadily since 2001 > by 17% per year... Now they didnt manages to start factoring in the sales > of Downloads till 2006, but it turns out that for the last 2 years RECORD > SALES... stop.. damn force of habit... MUSIC SALES HAVE INCREASED!!! The > number of people prepared to pay for music, HAS INCREASED. Why? Because > Spotify makes it SO DAMN EASY!!! Yes, IN Norway, people would rathe pay 10 > dollars a month for unlimited access to music, than A) Have Adverts, or B) > be bothered to track down torrents and steal it. > Ok, so Spotify gets a bunch of money. Do the artists? If I sell a million records, and get two dollars for it (which is basically what the original article said), then who cares that people are 'paying for music'? > > So Spotify is getting people USED to paying again, thats a good thing! > It's great! If you work for Spotify, or are an investor in it. If you create what they stream, it doesn't matter. Hell, I think I have something on Spotify. Never seen a nickel. T -- http://toaster.bandcamp.com --047d7b2ee30badfa5f04d4917224 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think you missed my point Todd, = I am simply saying that what Spotify has done here in Scandinavia is placed= a simple model for purchasing out there, that people have accepted, BUT th= ey are not paying the artists, The consumers are now paying for music again= , and it will increase. which means more to Spotify NOT artists. However if= the cut was fair, maybe we would see some revenue getting to the musicians= . It was torrents that killed the music biz, not downloads or streaming, bu= t all models killed the musicians wage. CDBaby and Bandcamp both offer alte= rnatives for online sales that actually are good for artists, So if Spotify= has paved the way for the public to pay for music again, they may be happy= to pay using other services than the rapists. ( to use Ricks original some= what unpleasant analogy).

Small correction to Pers comment, the Scandinavian figu= res are not about musicians wages, they are total music sales, it says noth= ing about musicians earning more. Just the industry, including Spotify. But= it DOES show the markets willingness to pay for music is not dead.

M

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On 30 Jan 2013, at 22:16, Todd Elliott <
toddbert@gmail.com> wrote:



On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:57 AM, m= ark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
I wont comment on the issues yo= u pointed out on others posts, just mine...
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When people figured out how to (re)distribut= e it themselves, they decided it wasn't worth as much as the record com= panies were charging.

Not true, didn't happen like that at all...

Really? Then why did= sales enter the shitter?
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When it became easy to get for free, they decided it was free.=A0

Also not true, they stole when it became easy = to steal, decided it was free??? What kind of bollocks is that?

It's exactly what happened= . When music became readily available for free, people took it. The moralit= y of downloading music didn't bother them at all; it became free becaus= e people didn't pay for it, and could take it (by and large) without co= nsequence. They chose to do so.
=A0

OK; Heres something interesting.

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There IS something good about Spotify actually!
In Norway an= d Sweden, record sales have been dropping=A0steadily=A0since 2001 by 17% pe= r year... Now they didnt manages to start factoring in the sales of Downloa= ds till 2006, but it turns out that for the last 2 years RECORD SALES... st= op.. damn force of habit... MUSIC SALES HAVE INCREASED!!! The number of peo= ple prepared to pay for music, HAS INCREASED. Why? Because Spotify makes it= SO DAMN EASY!!! Yes, IN Norway, people would rathe pay 10 dollars a month = for unlimited access to music, than A) Have Adverts, or B) be bothered to t= rack down torrents and steal it.

Ok, so Spotify gets a bu= nch of money. Do the artists? If I sell a million records, and get two doll= ars for it (which is basically what the original article said), then who ca= res that people are 'paying for music'?
=A0

So Spotify is getting people USED to paying again, that= s a good thing!

It's great! If you work for Spotify, or are an investor in it. If you = create what they stream, it doesn't matter. Hell, I think I have someth= ing on Spotify. Never seen a nickel.=A0

T


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http://toaster.band= camp.com --047d7b2ee30badfa5f04d4917224-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 09:54:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88AFB183493; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 09:54:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 09:54:01 +0000 From: Philip Conway To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1C034AD0-778A-455B-9D17-60E2C023502F@mac.com> References: <1C034AD0-778A-455B-9D17-60E2C023502F@mac.com> Originator-Info: login-token=Mulberry:01jp7mtP4BHuaM0SwdzwMCSyLNzFUXvP7LWSbPzU4cxAHMRxeHFFc=; token_authority=mailto:postmaster@bristol.ac.uk X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 09:54:03 +0000 (UTC) "Perhaps its time local musicians insist on a living wage to play bars and=20 restaurants who rely on us to make a scene happen (not that I am advocate=20 for musician unions.)" Seems to me that's *exactly* what you're advocating: collectively=20 bargaining for a fair price for your labour. --On 30 January 2013 12:24 -0800 Daniel Thomas =20 wrote: > Good thread. > > > > The recording industry is dead and already stinking. When can we bury > her and how? Would any among us begrudge dwindling royalty checks if we > were just paid a comfortable living wage for playing gigs? > > > Though I am an avid recordist / producer whose phone still rings with > offers to work, the business of mechanical / publishing royalties has > never contributed much to my bottom line. I have 87 releases behind me > now-- many of them on major labels=E2=80=A6 Only one is still generating = a > royalty check and this is but a pittance. Meanwhile, the very same > business model has ensured that fat cats get fatter on the back of work > I contributed to. > > > Why do we as independent musicians fight for this business model to > continue? Barring the smallest sector of our business, the wildly > famous, most of us never really benefit from the intellectual property > side of the business or if we do its such a small contribution as to be > negligible. Add it up over 10-20 years in the business- what percentage > of your total income is from royalties or publishing agreements. For me, > its less than 10% and the bulk of my compensated work has been in the > studio! For most of these royalty generating projects, I actually made > less per hour in production due to the fact that I had points on the back > end. IOW, I would have earned much more had I just been paid the going > rate for the production work rather than reducing this rate to negotiate > for publishing or mechanical royalty. > > > Given this, a big part of me welcomes the demise of our recording > industry. Speaking for myself, I would be happy to give away all of my > recorded works for all time were I just paid a living wage to perform my > art. Or, as a producer/engineer, paid a living wage to make the > recordings that promote other artist's work. > > > Perhaps its time local musicians insist on a living wage to play bars and > restaurants who rely on us to make a scene happen (not that I am advocate > for musician unions.) > > > Recently, I was pitching a band to a wedding event. A great band. 5 Pro > musicians. The bid was for 3 sets, w/ PA and lights. We pitched at > 1000.00 A total bargain for 5 pro musicians w/ sound man and all the > gear to create the spectacle. The gig was given instead to another local > band who pitched similar service at $250! That's about 20 bucks per > person after gas to the gig. WTF?! Musician poverty consciousness > bringing down the wages of all musicians in the community! This kind of > thing hurts us much more directly than greedy fat cats squeezing the > dying breath from their Babylonian industry. Local musicians cannot do > all that much about fat cat greed. But we can stop playing out for dirt > wages. No pearls before swine. > > > > Daniel > > > www.danielshanethomas.com > > > > > > On Jan 30, 2013, at 10:55 AM, Todd Elliott wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Dean, Hal wrote: > > > > > Eno is not god despite our occasional stabs at setting him up as one. I > find his analogy not apt. > > > > > I don't think he's a god (I mean, have you heard him sing? Yow.). I find > his comparison astute. > > > > > The guys "making" whale blubber were not going to persist in doing it > once the market caved, and no one would continue to be interested in > their product. If the analogy is to the selling of recordings, not > records. i.e. not to a physical product necessarily, then one must point > out that the workers do continue to be interested in the making (that > would be everyone reading this), and there continues to be a pool of > folks interested in the results. > > > > > They may be interested in hearing the results, but the number of people > interested in paying for them is dwindling, and continues to dwindle. > > > > > > I don't think it is entirely true that the people who purchase decide > value. I'm no economist, but surely the economy of music distribution > has an element of the "race to the bottom" about it. Amazon's > bending of the publishing world to its will is a parallel that has > received a lot of attention =E2=80=93 the real sufferers there are = authors. > BTW, to the extent that theft is a "purchase", then the value is > zero. Hmm. > > > > > Correct. If no one is willing to pay for something, and they can get it > for free, the value of it is zero. It's illiquid. I can say my new record > is $100, but if no one buys it at that price, it has no value. Outside of > a select circle of folk, people seem to be throwing their discretionary > income at other things. > > > > > But Per makes a compelling case for what I've seen Chris Cutler call a > "post-musical" world=E2=80=A6 well, maybe that isn't what Chris means by > the term, but it sounds good=E2=80=A6 I have not really thought much = about > that. If that is where we are headed or have arrived, I will hope there > remains a market at least sufficient to support the undeniable geniuses > of the world. > > > > > There probably will; though the definition of genius may vary. Amanda > Palmer, who I don't consider any sort of genius, made a million bucks by > rattling a tin cup on the internet. Any 'revolution' in the way we > consume music is going to have to come with the understanding that almost > anyone can get a recording of what you make for free, and will probably > listen to it in a manner that will make you shudder (over laptop speakers > from a youtube stream, over earbuds in a poor mp3 rip, etc). The notion > that people will pay for high quality, or some tangible format, or > something like that is wrong-- outside of a small group of nerds, no one > cares. Maybe that small group of nerds can sustain you, but they are > fickle. > > > 'Getting music out there' is very easy to do. Getting people to pay for > it is only going to get harder. You can ask nicely for money for your > recorded music, but that horse got out of the barn years ago, and is > probably married and living in a different state. > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:16 AM, mark francombe > wrote: > > > > > The record companies before, at least came from a standpoint of loving > music, now the music business is being strangled by the distributors > (Apple, Spotify etc) Its of course ther own fault for not jumping in > quick and building their own online music services, and spent too much > time stamping on Napster instead... Now the CEO of Napster is a Board > member of Spotify and hes considered a legit businessman... Go figure! > > > > > Nope. Record companies have always been in the business to make money > (even Dischord, or whatever your favorite punk rock label is; they at > least want to cover their own expenses, which involves selling things for > cash). They got better at it over time (pop music is now largely a series > of formulas, with as many as 8 songwriters working on something). The > basic, original business model of record companies relied on them > controlling distribution. When people figured out how to (re)distribute > it themselves, they decided it wasn't worth as much as the record > companies were charging. When it became easy to get for free, they > decided it was free. > > > T > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 11:03:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8F6A183490; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:03:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=6X1Tq5g31PvP7ZrQmAxBKPz3aqRQgxp9SIDPr6Y23zY=; b=XvuB9dsOTY1VJEIWhrO+SJT+uQy9U7dkzt9JK+C0B/pvmIC6iZ7HZN1tlMaqFRXwgR I2/ACAq3rJXXCxv9oZ4chaVR3rYVAop2E2vNvqd2UXoUYPSCdew/2D8OyjAj81H53Rta 6QhRNTuF4a9O/0cg8oVQ97UWT9t82ogl94D4Lz62o9pmmTIuSw+9xO29QZSnJBDuk+cP uTpHtBh83AMbvDJgMWngCXpG1GeVzfhyPSKMgpTxkgLmsLzVI/G/0xVperxObYo/Q9J/ 1JELGBIT9qEGyIN0fklVmeQ53sU/Leh6X9II2az5Qq7CO1n/QgyNKevY9ny/DpmnzLVo Dz+A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.31.195 with SMTP id c3mr6222980oei.57.1359630215937; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 03:03:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4059516921428910118@unknownmsgid> References: <4059516921428910118@unknownmsgid> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 12:03:35 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:03:36 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 9:21 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Small correction to Pers comment, the Scandinavian figures are not about > musicians wages, they are total music sales, it says nothing about musicians > earning more. > Just the industry, including Spotify. But it DOES show the > markets willingness to pay for music is not dead. A clarification! Not a "correction". :-) Good that this gets more focus, in case someone took "the industry" for "musician's wages". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 11:08:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 304F2183493; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:08:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <510A50A9.8080909@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 03:08:25 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mark francombe , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:08:24 +0000 (UTC) On 1/30/2013 11:58 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Another duck and cover post by Mr Walker... get off that digest dude, > and get yer fists out, Im getting backed into a corner! ??????? Explain yourself please.................I'm not getting what you are saying. /R. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 14:03:52 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED4FC183494; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:03:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=xcYLVp5pEZqORMF7rqFUHMbTVMYfqa+QYQnApskOrDo=; b=DxV6TnvDk+wSPZarnmC++zYxr2WddHJVc3VvDLAI3tD3SFC2kFKTH433aCAQXtUIUy Z1Pni/mnww6c1jKK+Z3jdtXLFO5FWlQaenzLKvh46d017crP1GVDqpTuwq6YrmOrkZUs p/c8E7yzSbOWdWaDWaV26R1jFV21wobZNZlOeVFIAPMDA+18uSULcxLaZjCjc8699kvY o5h64sJO90Rcjhi51LQmZzKlc51c+2voSAEhuG/6dK2c9942ZcSmy00BlqAtgiwWRjg7 MbE9kyvRiNhKRe1U3/STOXSYqjAOLSV2MdSL+LCK9pE2jIeUpW5OenDXbk8v87oQ9C/D zjbg== X-Received: by 10.66.82.67 with SMTP id g3mr20730733pay.58.1359641030574; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 06:03:50 -0800 (PST) References: <510A50A9.8080909@cruzio.com> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: <510A50A9.8080909@cruzio.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 15:03:47 +0100 Message-ID: <8975293712881950235@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <9wlPmC.A.veB.HnnCRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:03:51 +0000 (UTC) Haha just that you the king of starting interesting threads!!!! Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 31 Jan 2013, at 12:08, Rick Walker wrote: > On 1/30/2013 11:58 AM, mark francombe wrote: >> Another duck and cover post by Mr Walker... get off that digest dude, and get yer fists out, Im getting backed into a corner! > ??????? Explain yourself please.................I'm not getting what you are saying. > > /R. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 17:50:32 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A6DB183492; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 17:50:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=MUt9DyoTzdMdzRy2rmfyV7nlfDfbNiyXzFjW7jVUKDU=; b=XJcOH0vu+juPKokefzXGFs27MBP7iXb8xkPsTQ7Z1DdmdCtDoe1VlLsfM/JsSV4tYY sAFVKBPpjl5QYWwxFle9Ti/wq+4hyfpuOqhfK/iNAosWP+4lkuebWvpGbjwpqcPTTCCY XqkB42GmqzFEcVKQDn8gL3iDux+T8mROMW+ejkcWoyEvcJjn7zr32W1Z65TDCUAe8G0I 7ZPV+4w1IGPcjV9HM1RqpQU+klZeAHGOp71NChSYp/D5+PNJ1SPp58u2cZJ4jRk0M8pN +46N1HzUy7tdlM5Wwnes6/iWP6+QBdPyv9SIO/OI+w8NLDIozNqssAT6nZWePR54MpKO dcRw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.96.232 with SMTP id dv8mr7650589vdb.132.1359654631622; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 09:50:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <019BE3EB-06BD-4DBE-89AD-18118EC44693@sea.plala.or.jp> References: <510912F4.9040003@cruzio.com> <019BE3EB-06BD-4DBE-89AD-18118EC44693@sea.plala.or.jp> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 09:50:31 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307f36b855c67304d499430c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 17:50:32 +0000 (UTC) --20cf307f36b855c67304d499430c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Back in the time of music being released on physical media, record companies had to invest a lot of money to get a record out. They'd pay for the band's time at a professional recording studio, the mastering, distribution, manufacturing, marketing to radio stations and record stores, shipping samples, etc... Arguably, they still ripped off the artists, but even if they weren't, it's easy to see where 70% or so of the cost of a CD had to go. Itunes/Amazon/Pandora/Spotify/Amazon/Emusic spend absolutely no money on the recording of music, the production of physical media, or the promotion of the artists that they sell. They have to spend money on storing the media and internet bandwidth. Given the number of songs they sell, they could give the music providers 80% of the income generated, and still be a solvent business. However, being a solvent business is not enough. They have to make billions,so they do so by paying the artists a much smaller share. That WAS supposed to be the great thing about buying music online - you could get an artist's release for $6, and know a substantial portion of that was going to the artist. Now you pay almost as much on iTunes as you would for a physical CD a few years ago, and the lion's share of that money is net profit for Apple. Ed Durbrow was all: > What is wrong with 50%? I don't think even the Rolling Stones ever got > 50%. Back in the days of records, a new band was lucky to get 5%, 3% was > common. Check out Magnatune, they share 50% with the artist. Their motto is > 'we are a record company, but we are not evil'. Unfortunately, their > business model has had to evolve, because people are not downloading. They > have shifted to a subscription fee. But you can still listen to a whole > album for free. For example (shameless plug), > http://magnatune.com/artists/primavera. > > > Ed Durbrow > Saitama, Japan > http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch > http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ > > > > --20cf307f36b855c67304d499430c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Back in the time of music being released on physical media, record companie= s had to invest a lot of money to get a record out. They'd pay for the = band's time at a professional recording studio, the mastering, distribu= tion, manufacturing, marketing to radio stations and record stores, shippin= g samples, etc... Arguably, they still ripped off the artists, but even if = they weren't, it's easy to see where 70% or so of the cost of a CD = had to go.

Itunes/Amazon/Pandora/Spotify/Amazon/Emusic spend absolutely no money o= n the recording of music, the production of physical media, or the promotio= n of the artists that they sell. They have to spend money on storing the me= dia and internet bandwidth. Given the number of songs they sell, they could= give the music providers 80% of the income generated, and still be a solve= nt business. However, being a solvent business is not enough. They have to = make billions,so they do so by paying the artists a much smaller share.
That WAS supposed to be the great thing about buying music online - you= could get an artist's release for $6, and know a substantial portion o= f that was going to the artist. Now you pay almost as much on iTunes as you= would for a physical CD a few years ago, and the lion's share of that = money is net profit for Apple.



Ed Durbrow <edurbrow@sea.pla= la.or.jp> was all:
What is wrong with 50%? I don't think even the Rolling Stones ever got = 50%. Back in the days of records, a new band was lucky to get 5%, 3% was co= mmon. Check out Magnatune, they share 50% with the artist. Their motto is &= #39;we are a record company, but we are not evil'. Unfortunately, their= business model has had to evolve, because people are not downloading. They= have shifted to a subscription fee. But you can still listen to a whole al= bum for free. For example (shameless plug), http://magnatune.com/artists/primaver= a.


Ed Durbrow
Saitama, Japan
http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=3Dwatch
http://www9= .plala.or.jp/edurbrow/





--20cf307f36b855c67304d499430c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 18:23:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC9C2183492; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 18:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=QlQ3TnysQg8MkKW1BxH/cjEQPflp9Q6SsOxtLG6uBcQ=; b=QyPbvl70EsSkBckpQuGqjUprW0LvSE/Z2yHHSrUrB/qYIOwuoIPt+0nnm9iyet04pa Dw+73Is9QfuXs/7rjLJXWA9LWFUu8ohULCSU4lG2b0chKh7R3HOBFzmb6OzCjuAEgLIH Kz8zpkM/cHb+OzAglru3rjX4YRBGnNv7SY7f7Sdyasu3XVUySrfR+67AVV45voA5LzFR SHiEhQAAgAVb+Wyvza7K3YqJM7Eh4s+iqqDc0frEB2Iu94va7Jj6/nz9hRzuR1/V+pRC 4PzayE9oHAHf/XRNKEd3x1S0xRqEKz+naWhlDjpdWPhruY2nFAG0K4zvoOwszTO0xkqD iIow== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.95.173 with SMTP id dl13mr7378287obb.43.1359656609754; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 10:23:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5109C04D.9040307@cruzio.com> References: <1C034AD0-778A-455B-9D17-60E2C023502F@mac.com> <5109C04D.9040307@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 10:23:29 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 18:23:30 +0000 (UTC) No disrespect meant Rick, but you seriously can't get gigs that make you more than $50 in Santa Cruz? I live up in the sticks of Norther California and I'm pretty sure our local bands/performers can make more than that just putting on house concert/parties. I'm just asking because that would be really really sad if that is the case. I always assumed that that kind of money was available pretty readily if a) you had any kind of following or friends willing to come out for an evening of whatever and b) you were willing to put all the leg work into creating the gig (which up here is not much more than finding the place and doing some posters/facebook type stuff. Is it the glut of musicians and those who want to be in a place like Santa Cruz that make it so bleak for your finances? Asked respectfully from my full time day job. Kevin On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 1/30/2013 12:24 PM, Daniel Thomas wrote: >> >> Local musicians cannot do all that much about fat cat greed. But we can >> stop playing out for dirt wages. No pearls before swine. > > I really agree with you on this, Daniel, but as someone who's still out > there in the trenches trying to make a living > wage as a performing musician (with a small amount from the dwindling number > or people who pay to take music lessons) > there are very, very few decent paying gigs any more. > > In the 80's, it was a point of pride to me not to take less that a couple > of hundred bucks for a gig. > In 2012, I had one gig that paid $60............all others were paid less > than that. > > I am really interested in playing jazz (one of the historically worst paying > forms of music there is, admittedly, but also > representing one of the few remaining ways of getting in front of an > audience where, ostensibly, other gigs > and potential students and studio work can be generated). > > In our area the places who pay for jazz musicians to play with offer tips > and a meal or up to $30 and a meal. > I'm struggling to find out some way to keep living doing what I've done > professionally for > the last 35 straight years so I've elected to take those low paying gigs. > > There are still higher paying gigs (in the $100/person range) in Monterey > and Carmel, but there are very, very few of > them and the people who have those gigs are jealously holding onto them. > Wedding, Parties and Bars that have > constant, employable live music have just dwindled to very, very little. > > But as unfair as the sub-liveable wages are, the restaurant where I play, > weekly, couldn't possibly afford to pay more.............for them, it's a > labor > of love to have Jazz at their establishment and they are also struggling > financially. > > So, I'm with you but at this point where we live, I wouldn't play ever in > public if I insisted on a liveable wage. > > It's a tough nut to crack and I'm not wild about it, to be honest. > > respectfully, Rick > -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 18:59:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD448183492; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 18:59:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com x-originating-ip: 208.109.97.160 Message-ID: <510ABF27.2000201@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 13:59:51 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2TxESD.A.59D.r8rCRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 18:59:55 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY http://galactictravels.info Tonight at 11 pm EST/GMT-5 on Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long Special Focus on Mystified. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Breathe Beyond" on Parkbench Records. The Special Focus page is at: http://soundscapes.us/gt/playlists/2013/focus.html#jan Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 20:39:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4555C183494; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 20:39:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=trufun.com; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; bh=mRViDvuMwxi1dgaBVUSAhtnLTuylO5QabLwqkX1iOqQ=; b=jfyfrE3xOwXV1/lMryG+YCVmis54pVVeQxRNnDWwXZDju4Q9hpSsytx/j8TIN43zBUThUHWaZMO9bnXm4mBLR+FQR5NpHYG1uAJnI/1kGvG0WO/SdPftNatOcjsxsjQT; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: making a living From: David Gans In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 12:39:33 -0800 Cc: David Gans Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8B6F9BFB-249D-4AA4-897C-D1E2169B3185@trufun.com> References: <1C034AD0-778A-455B-9D17-60E2C023502F@mac.com> <5109C04D.9040307@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: vps.gdhour.com: acl_c_relayhosts_text_entry: david@trufun.com|trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 20:39:35 +0000 (UTC) I honestly don't think Rick is exaggerating. There are tons of gigs in = Northern California, and most of 'em pay shit. =20 I occasionally get to open a show at Slim's or the Great American Music = Hall, usually for $250 or so. But a "headline" or co-bill at the Starry = Plough or Don Quixote's is a door deal, with a deception for the club's = overhead, etc., and they like to keep the ticket prices down to get more = people in the door to buy beer - and of course, they don't offer the = entertainers a share of the bar take. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 20:52:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69A7A183497; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 20:52:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=trufun.com; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; bh=FuILkCJ36OCsrZ2QYxGVMd2KSJurYJ6UnH534IHdwoY=; b=YzXZEJU/u75gm1OshbA+k9+b6vpVuMGZgYNpjjS9am3OgBITKZYim55Ha5O8CEnnyibHhYNdY27WtQdRDTuak9JB9Ndnx/24F3/KB+pH5xa5zGj6inj7Tak0SR0nj0hE; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: making a living From: David Gans In-Reply-To: <8B6F9BFB-249D-4AA4-897C-D1E2169B3185@trufun.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 12:52:48 -0800 Cc: David Gans Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <521EEFFF-E279-4F0B-BBEA-28160CA9C106@trufun.com> References: <1C034AD0-778A-455B-9D17-60E2C023502F@mac.com> <5109C04D.9040307@cruzio.com> <8B6F9BFB-249D-4AA4-897C-D1E2169B3185@trufun.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: vps.gdhour.com: acl_c_relayhosts_text_entry: david@trufun.com|trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 20:52:51 +0000 (UTC) Sorry. "Deduction," not "deception." But hey... On Jan 31, 2013, at 12:39 PM, David Gans wrote: > I occasionally get to open a show at Slim's or the Great American = Music Hall, usually for $250 or so. But a "headline" or co-bill at the = Starry Plough or Don Quixote's is a door deal, with a deception for the = club's overhead, etc., and they like to keep the ticket prices down to = get more people in the door to buy beer - and of course, they don't = offer the entertainers a share of the bar take. David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 21:13:32 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12E4B18349A; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:13:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=+gnhoOL1eT+4DGAIThel23hqtLtGsmEh3NIab6aqu4s=; b=FAkh4dHqf6aGk3Ilo7pKTLPNIOTEAZS1J3hmRWYkMYkhYCRTyJ8NoyQbJyiNqgAkr6 LHBtiiLUw/8DrNcmyccPboHxZCnzh+MIZLdGAScI8xWeX+6Zdv8Xdk8xKiHEzAanDtLW 7/uhMrU2KvpO34NU7zxm9I6ZW/gWN1LBUSdo+hKOcf+1OYI8AhLYRUm2h1BsH1+gibeB 2IkniOE4NogawkMCYuosXN31fCCwRSFqfg7qH/j4V3HVPDfvNYp9Syc1QHdC+6jNzGyv gyDUUMXkqf8tjZruX2WRp12wInIokjPygWP0L7aWEhi6f3rxdjmpNt4Mu8OeuAHZvjfR lnOA== X-Received: by 10.50.191.164 with SMTP id gz4mr2474565igc.24.1359666811206; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 13:13:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <521EEFFF-E279-4F0B-BBEA-28160CA9C106@trufun.com> References: <1C034AD0-778A-455B-9D17-60E2C023502F@mac.com> <5109C04D.9040307@cruzio.com> <8B6F9BFB-249D-4AA4-897C-D1E2169B3185@trufun.com> <521EEFFF-E279-4F0B-BBEA-28160CA9C106@trufun.com> From: Charlie M Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 15:13:11 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: making a living To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: David Gans Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93405c74b7ad104d49c198e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:13:32 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93405c74b7ad104d49c198e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 as someone who still gets paid in a percentage in beer sales, deception for the club's overhead isn't that far off... On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 2:52 PM, David Gans wrote: > > > Sorry. "Deduction," not "deception." But hey... > > > > On Jan 31, 2013, at 12:39 PM, David Gans wrote: > > > I occasionally get to open a show at Slim's or the Great American Music > Hall, usually for $250 or so. But a "headline" or co-bill at the Starry > Plough or Don Quixote's is a door deal, with a deception for the club's > overhead, etc., and they like to keep the ticket prices down to get more > people in the door to buy beer - and of course, they don't offer the > entertainers a share of the bar take. > > David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com > Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 > Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com > Web site: http://www.dgans.com > Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans > Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans > > > > > --14dae93405c74b7ad104d49c198e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable as someone who still gets paid in a percentage in beer sales, deception for= the club's overhead isn't that far off...

On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 2:52 PM, David Gans <dav= id@trufun.com> wrote:


Sorry. =A0"Deduction,&qu= ot; not "deception." =A0But hey...



On Jan 31, 2013, at 12:39 PM, David Gans <= david@trufun.com> wrote:

= > I occasionally get to open a show at Slim's or the Great American = Music Hall, usually for $250 or so. =A0But a "headline" or co-bil= l at the Starry Plough or Don Quixote's is a door deal, with a deceptio= n for the club's overhead, etc., and they like to keep the ticket price= s down to get more people in the door to buy beer - and of course, they don= 't offer the entertainers a share of the bar take.

David Gans - david@trufun.com= or david@gdhour.com
Truth a= nd Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730
Blog: =A0http://cloudsur= fing.gdhour.com
Web site: http://www.dg= ans.com
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans
Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/= dgans





--14dae93405c74b7ad104d49c198e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 21:16:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCEE418349A; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_nTv+6h9U0R6fRSjvZp3nIA)" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-01-31_06:2013-01-31,2013-01-31,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=18 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1301310147 From: Daniel Thomas Message-id: <3BFB540B-BD7A-405C-9931-708231F483CE@mac.com> Subject: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 13:16:09 -0800 References: <1C034AD0-778A-455B-9D17-60E2C023502F@mac.com> <5109C04D.9040307@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-reply-to: <5109C04D.9040307@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:16:14 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_nTv+6h9U0R6fRSjvZp3nIA) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >> where I play, weekly, couldn't possibly afford to pay more.............for them, it's a labor of love to have Jazz at their establishment and they are also struggling >> financially. I think perhaps I offended you, Rick. It was not at all my intention-- if I did , I apologize. Surely you know, my brother, bandmate and friend, that you have my total respect. I hope that all members of this list are playing music for the love of it-- and certainly, we should all invest our energies in the musics that we are drawn to whether or not there is a dime to be found in it. But-- playing a low comp gig for the love of it need not gut the financial motive in professional musicianship. Imagine if plumbers or electricians took such a stance. Presumably, many in the trades are drawn to the work as a labor of love. They may engage all kinds of low compensation projects for this reason. But that does not mean that they run their bank accounts as a labor of love. Finance is a labor of self-discipline. This discipline which fosters self-respect, professional credibility and responsibility (as in- the Ability to Respond to challenges). Yes, I have a corporate media production gig for which I am very grateful -- it has been utterly necessary for my families well being. That said, indie music performance and production remains a substantial portion of my monthly income. More than 25% of my income in 2012 came from reasonably compensated entertainment industry gigs that have nothing what so ever to do with my Silicon Valley gig. Granted -much of the work comes from outside California, but its not like I am standing on the sidelines of the music business making flippant comments about the plight of being an artist. >> It's a tough nut to crack and I'm not wild about it, to be honest. > No disrespect meant Rick, but you seriously can't get gigs that make you more than $50 in Santa Cruz? > a "headline" or co-bill at the Starry Plough or Don Quixote's is a door deal, with a deduction for the club's overhead, etc., and they like to keep the ticket prices down to get more people in the door to buy beer - and of course, they don't offer the entertainers a share of the bar take. While playing in Danjuma Adamu's african funk band, Onola,(2008-2011) I managed the bookings. When I joined the group we were earning a dismal $25 per man per night on average and playing out about 7 times per month! I guess you could say- I really love African music. :) But, I also really love artists and I believe we have inherent value that must be articulated and defended if it is ever to be recognized and compensated. For these reasons, I took on the booking responsibility for Onola. The band agreed to a minimum income standard to which we would all make ourselves available as a top priority. Anything beneath this standard required me to get buy in from band members before committing. But, if the gig met or beat the standard, I was free to book and presume flexible availability of all band members. With this agreement in place, we began saying no to gigs that were beneath the standard. Where labor of love factors prevailed, we had a process by which to make exceptions.. and we certainly did so when it was good for the art, the band, or the community--but we I did not allow this to replace the standard valuation for our band. With this approach, our band compensation increased to >$100 per man /gig on average in less than 3 months. In addition to this, our band leader began earning a band leaders cut above and beyond the base line comp for the band members. And, we were able to shave ten percent off of every gig for the band fund which facilitated future bookings and promotions of a similar caliber. Of course, the approach did reduce the number of times we played out each month-- to about once a week. But, we made more money on the whole, worked less, and enjoyed higher quality gigs-- many in the very same venues (DXs, Fernwood, Moes, etc). In order to make it all work, we had to take more out of town gigs (Big Sur, Monterey, San Fran, etc.) and, most importantly we had to hew closely to what our clients wanted (accessible Reggae and Funk .. Less african diaspora percussion jamming. ) But without a doubt, when we started saying no, we stopped getting calls for low ball gigs and got more calls for reasonably compensated gigs. We even had success getting venues to increase our compensation by negotiating a commitment to increase compensation as we increased attendance / bar sales. One venue in the tiny community of Big Sur doubled our pay over the course of two months under such a negotiation! Though Onola is no more, that particular venue still calls me looking for "another act of similar caliber." Artists! You are worthy of compensation and the credibility that goes with it! The price of Artistry need not be suffering. :) with genuine appreciation for the many great minds and artists on this list. Daniel Thomas www.danielshanethomas.com On Jan 30, 2013, at 4:52 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 1/30/2013 12:24 PM, Daniel Thomas wrote: >> Local musicians cannot do all that much about fat cat greed. But we can stop playing out for dirt wages. No pearls before swine. > I really agree with you on this, Daniel, but as someone who's still out there in the trenches trying to make a living > wage as a performing musician (with a small amount from the dwindling number or people who pay to take music lessons) > there are very, very few decent paying gigs any more. > > In the 80's, it was a point of pride to me not to take less that a couple of hundred bucks for a gig. > In 2012, I had one gig that paid $60............all others were paid less than that. > > I am really interested in playing jazz (one of the historically worst paying forms of music there is, admittedly, but also > representing one of the few remaining ways of getting in front of an audience where, ostensibly, other gigs > and potential students and studio work can be generated). > > In our area the places who pay for jazz musicians to play with offer tips and a meal or up to $30 and a meal. > I'm struggling to find out some way to keep living doing what I've done professionally for > the last 35 straight years so I've elected to take those low paying gigs. > > There are still higher paying gigs (in the $100/person range) in Monterey and Carmel, but there are very, very few of > them and the people who have those gigs are jealously holding onto them. Wedding, Parties and Bars that have > constant, employable live music have just dwindled to very, very little. > > But as unfair as the sub-liveable wages are, the restaurant where I play, weekly, couldn't possibly afford to pay more.............for them, it's a labor > of love to have Jazz at their establishment and they are also struggling financially. > > So, I'm with you but at this point where we live, I wouldn't play ever in public if I insisted on a liveable wage. > > It's a tough nut to crack and I'm not wild about it, to be honest. > > respectfully, Rick > --Boundary_(ID_nTv+6h9U0R6fRSjvZp3nIA) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
where I = play, weekly,  couldn't possibly afford to pay = more.............for them,  it's a labor of love to have = Jazz at their establishment and they are also = struggling
financially.

I = think perhaps I offended you, Rick.  It was not at all my = intention--  if I did , I apologize.  Surely you know, my = brother, bandmate and friend, that you have my total = respect.

I hope that all members of this = list are playing music for the love of it--  and certainly, we = should all invest our energies in the musics that we are drawn to = whether or not there is a dime to be found in it.  But-- =  playing a low comp gig for the love of it need not gut the = financial motive in professional musicianship. =  

Imagine if plumbers or electricians took = such a stance.  Presumably, many in the trades are drawn to the = work as a labor of love.  They may engage all kinds of low = compensation projects for this reason.  But that does not mean that = they run their bank accounts as a labor of love.  Finance is a = labor of self-discipline.  This discipline which fosters = self-respect, professional credibility and responsibility (as in- the = Ability to Respond to = challenges). 

Yes, I have a = corporate media production gig for which I am very grateful -- it has = been utterly necessary for my families well being.   That said, = indie music performance and production remains a substantial portion of = my monthly income.  More than 25% of my income in 2012 came from = reasonably compensated entertainment industry gigs that have nothing = what so ever to do with my Silicon Valley gig.  Granted -much of = the work comes from outside California, but its not like I am standing = on the sidelines of the music business making flippant comments about = the plight of being an artist. =  

It's a tough nut to crack and I'm not wild about it, to be = honest.

No = disrespect meant Rick, but you seriously can't get gigs that = make you more than $50 in Santa Cruz? =  

 a "headline" or = co-bill at the Starry Plough or Don Quixote's is a door deal, with a = deduction for the club's overhead, etc., and they like to keep the = ticket prices down to get more people in the door to buy beer - and of = course, they don't offer the entertainers a share of the bar = take.


While playing in Danjuma = Adamu's african funk band, Onola,(2008-2011) I managed the bookings. =  When I joined the group we  were earning a dismal $25 per man = per night on average and playing out about 7 times per month! =   I guess you could say-  I really love African music. :) =    But, I also really love artists and I believe we have = inherent value that must be articulated and defended if it is ever to be = recognized and compensated.  

For these = reasons, I took on the booking responsibility for Onola.  The band = agreed to a minimum income standard to which we would all make ourselves = available as a top priority.  Anything beneath this standard = required me to get buy in from band members before committing. =  But, if the gig met or beat the standard, I was free to book and = presume flexible availability of all band members.  With this = agreement in place, we began saying no to gigs that were beneath the = standard.  Where labor of love factors prevailed, we had a process = by which to make exceptions..  and we certainly did so when it was = good for the art, the band, or the community--but we I did not allow = this to replace the standard valuation for our band. =  

With this approach,  our band = compensation increased to >$100 per man /gig on average in less than = 3 months.   In addition to this, our band leader began earning a = band leaders cut above and beyond the base line comp for the band = members.  And, we were able to shave ten percent off of every gig = for the band fund which facilitated future bookings and promotions of a = similar caliber.

Of course, the approach did = reduce  the number of times we played out each month-- to about = once a week.  But, we made more money on the whole, worked less, = and enjoyed higher quality gigs-- many in the very same venues (DXs, = Fernwood, Moes, etc).  

In order to make = it all work, we had to take more out of town gigs (Big Sur, Monterey, = San Fran, etc.)  and, most importantly we had to hew = closely to what our clients wanted (accessible Reggae and = Funk .. Less african diaspora percussion jamming. ) But without a doubt, = when we started saying no, we stopped getting calls for low ball gigs = and got more calls for reasonably compensated gigs.  We even = had success getting venues to increase our compensation by negotiating a = commitment to increase compensation as we increased attendance / bar = sales. One venue in the tiny community of Big Sur doubled our = pay over the course of two months under such a negotiation!  Though = Onola is no more, that particular venue still calls me  looking for = "another act of similar caliber." =   


Artists!  You are worthy of compensation = and the credibility that goes with it!  The price of = Artistry need not be suffering.  =   
:)
with genuine appreciation = for the many great minds and artists on this = list. 

Daniel = Thomas






On Jan 30, 2013, at 4:52 = PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> = wrote:

On 1/30/2013 12:24 PM, Daniel Thomas wrote:
Local musicians cannot do all that much about fat cat = greed. But we can stop playing out for dirt wages.  No pearls = before swine.
I really agree with you on this, Daniel, =  but as someone who's still out there in the trenches trying to = make a living
wage as a performing musician (with a small amount from = the dwindling number or people who pay to take music lessons)
there = are very, very few decent paying gigs any more.

In the 80's, =  it was a point of pride to me not to take less that  a couple = of hundred bucks for a gig.
In 2012,   I had one gig that = paid $60............all others were paid less than that.

I am = really interested in playing jazz (one of the historically worst paying = forms of music there is, admittedly,  but also
representing one = of the few remaining ways of getting in front of an audience where, = ostensibly, other gigs
and potential students and studio work can be = generated).

In our area the places who pay for jazz musicians to = play with offer tips and a meal or up to $30 and a meal.
I'm = struggling to find out some way to keep living doing what I've done = professionally for
the last 35 straight years so I've elected to take = those low paying gigs.

There are still higher paying gigs (in the = $100/person range) in Monterey and Carmel, but there are very, very few = of
them and the people who have those gigs are jealously holding onto = them.      Wedding, Parties and Bars that = have
constant, employable live music have just dwindled to very, very = little.

But as unfair as the sub-liveable wages are, the =  restaurant where I play, weekly,  couldn't possibly afford to = pay more.............for them,  it's a labor
of love to have = Jazz at their establishment and they are also struggling = financially.

So,  I'm with you but at this point where we = live,  I wouldn't play ever in public if I insisted on a liveable = wage.

It's a tough nut to crack and I'm not wild about it, to be = honest.

respectfully, =   Rick


= --Boundary_(ID_nTv+6h9U0R6fRSjvZp3nIA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 21:19:33 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1869718349D; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:19:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=vaE6qfFLh0XkwSr/SEs6k6Js7jQ5RdvbilZMFsWBufs=; b=bTOouZ9Wl/nGcskL3WbRzVsAD6Y0TxrGYdErydwaaWNMPBx/dT470LNt9QpWua0HBG PkcY5d4PF7BWYXhR/OsKFiCCwlUfXxHtjk3qnkwDZ9tq90shqQBUW8UEHDTxZcXCejB5 rLH2hRheSH4GI/24lRV+IjMrU8CTurLTEbyhC0v3nVk+nwzhe/J46siB3RJpCY6KDeIS /WJzyAoVV9LAFxs0aBkEPPODawB5ns4SprPjeyTIlNrStcyy3wHr6f2maz9ju/SONnnW nnpA8fw+tkkuqphOpkzkz83opbtlAntAtrtwa/PFDePpdgH2Fq0miYqMwhcdSioAvxrI y7UQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.36.134 with SMTP id q6mr2426739igj.98.1359667172394; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 13:19:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1C034AD0-778A-455B-9D17-60E2C023502F@mac.com> <5109C04D.9040307@cruzio.com> <8B6F9BFB-249D-4AA4-897C-D1E2169B3185@trufun.com> <521EEFFF-E279-4F0B-BBEA-28160CA9C106@trufun.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 13:19:32 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: making a living From: Todd Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340dd1d2c4c004d49c2e88 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:19:33 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340dd1d2c4c004d49c2e88 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'd love to get paid in beer. Or at all. Having a gig where I'm not nearly thrown out would be nice, too. Well, that only happened the one time in the three gigs I played last year, but I digress. In short, give me beer. T On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Charlie M wrote: > as someone who still gets paid in a percentage in beer sales, deception > for the club's overhead isn't that far off... > > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 2:52 PM, David Gans wrote: > >> >> >> Sorry. "Deduction," not "deception." But hey... >> >> >> >> On Jan 31, 2013, at 12:39 PM, David Gans wrote: >> >> > I occasionally get to open a show at Slim's or the Great American Music >> Hall, usually for $250 or so. But a "headline" or co-bill at the Starry >> Plough or Don Quixote's is a door deal, with a deception for the club's >> overhead, etc., and they like to keep the ticket prices down to get more >> people in the door to buy beer - and of course, they don't offer the >> entertainers a share of the bar take. >> >> David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com >> Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 >> Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com >> Web site: http://www.dgans.com >> Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans >> Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans >> >> >> >> >> > -- http://toaster.bandcamp.com --14dae9340dd1d2c4c004d49c2e88 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd love to get paid in beer. Or at all. Having a gig where I'm not= nearly thrown out would be nice, too. Well, that only happened the one tim= e in the three gigs I played last year, but I digress.

In short, give me beer.

T

On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Charlie M <= pilotcp@gmail.com> wrote:
as someone who still gets paid in a percenta= ge in beer sales, deception for the club's overhead isn't that far = off...


On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 2:52 PM, David Gans <dav= id@trufun.com> wrote:


Sorry. =A0"Deduction,&qu= ot; not "deception." =A0But hey...



On Jan 31, 2013, at 12:39 PM, David Gans <david@trufun.com> wrote:
> I occasionally get to open a show at Slim's or the Great Amer= ican Music Hall, usually for $250 or so. =A0But a "headline" or c= o-bill at the Starry Plough or Don Quixote's is a door deal, with a dec= eption for the club's overhead, etc., and they like to keep the ticket = prices down to get more people in the door to buy beer - and of course, the= y don't offer the entertainers a share of the bar take.

David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, = Oakland CA 94610-2730
Blog: =A0http= ://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com
Web site: http://www.dg= ans.com
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans
Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/= dgans








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--14dae9340dd1d2c4c004d49c2e88-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 21:54:11 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0B7A18349D; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:54:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=trufun.com; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; bh=4Sh93Fvwhg4R1KErNIAoEp5q/vPjngsFsPltqxEpxvg=; b=FNj+L+KeMjM+bsIjwpPIacgNJX7wp/f7FdbXpD78Yv9oFhWqhoG68OK29bRG4kErvtYwQl1pNdeTyD757a/QTbo1YTp2icJhTn/0Y+OfYv8v6VPlGNWB5o4Ucp60Omzd; Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_96DD84C8-9B3E-41F5-84A9-EAB6B3DCEFE8" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: getting paid From: David Gans In-Reply-To: <3BFB540B-BD7A-405C-9931-708231F483CE@mac.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 13:54:09 -0800 Cc: David Gans Message-Id: <6EFD9777-71AD-4DE6-BBB1-1D058081F934@trufun.com> References: <1C034AD0-778A-455B-9D17-60E2C023502F@mac.com> <5109C04D.9040307@cruzio.com> <3BFB540B-BD7A-405C-9931-708231F483CE@mac.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: vps.gdhour.com: acl_c_relayhosts_text_entry: david@trufun.com|trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:54:10 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_96DD84C8-9B3E-41F5-84A9-EAB6B3DCEFE8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jan 31, 2013, at 1:16 PM, Daniel Thomas = wrote: >=20 > playing a low comp gig for the love of it need not gut the financial = motive in professional musicianship. =20 I agree. I do lots of gigs for things other than money. The farmers' = market is not good money, but being part of that healthy movement is = important to me, and I enjoy having a four-hour block of time in which I = can do anything I want. >=20 > For these reasons, I took on the booking responsibility for Onola. = The band agreed to a minimum income standard to which we would all make = ourselves available as a top priority. Anything beneath this standard = required me to get buy in from band members before committing. But, if = the gig met or beat the standard, I was free to book and presume = flexible availability of all band members. With this agreement in = place, we began saying no to gigs that were beneath the standard. Where = labor of love factors prevailed, we had a process by which to make = exceptions.. and we certainly did so when it was good for the art, the = band, or the community--but we I did not allow this to replace the = standard valuation for our band. =20 I'm in a band now with a guy who is much more hard-nosed about money = than I am. We have been good for each other's attitudes: we have said no = to some gigs I might otherwise have done, and I have gotten him to say = yes to a few gigs that had other than financial merit. > With this approach, our band compensation increased to >$100 per man = /gig on average in less than 3 months. In addition to this, our band = leader began earning a band leaders cut above and beyond the base line = comp for the band members. And, we were able to shave ten percent off = of every gig for the band fund which facilitated future bookings and = promotions of a similar caliber. Wise!! David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com --Apple-Mail=_96DD84C8-9B3E-41F5-84A9-EAB6B3DCEFE8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii danielthomas4@mac.com> = wrote:

playing a low = comp gig for the love of it need not gut the financial motive in = professional musicianship. =  

I agree. = I do lots of gigs for things other than money. The farmers' market is = not good money, but being part of that healthy movement is important to = me, and I enjoy having a four-hour block of time in which I can do = anything I want.


I'm in a band now = with a guy who is much more hard-nosed about money than I am. We have = been good for each other's attitudes: we have said no to some gigs I = might otherwise have done, and I have gotten him to say yes to a few = gigs that had other than financial = merit.



With = this approach,  our band compensation increased to >$100 per man = /gig on average in less than 3 months.   In addition to this, our = band leader began earning a band leaders cut above and beyond the base = line comp for the band members.  And, we were able to shave ten = percent off of every gig for the band fund which facilitated future = bookings and promotions of a similar = caliber.

= --Apple-Mail=_96DD84C8-9B3E-41F5-84A9-EAB6B3DCEFE8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 22:20:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2F6E18349F; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 22:20:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <510AEE32.2030809@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:20:34 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mark francombe , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com References: <8975293712881950235@unknownmsgid> In-Reply-To: <8975293712881950235@unknownmsgid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 22:20:30 +0000 (UTC) On 1/31/2013 6:03 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Haha just that you the king of starting interesting threads!!!! /R. 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A studio owning friend of mine was trying to start a jingle= business. I'd introduce him to musician friends interested in writing and = recording jingles for him. Right off the bat he would say, "do you want to = work for me?" Right now I have people doing jingles for $250,(a completee l= ie). My friends would ask, "how much do YOU sell them for?" No takers obvio= usly. Back to the Valley 440s. When I told him about them, he expressed int= erest, (there were many more available). He said he'd call me back. He call= ed back saying, I'll take all I can get, (he found out they are about $900 = new). I told him they were no longer available. I just get weird when someo= ne is so obvious about exploiting others. Sad to say, there are all too man= y of them out there.=0ARig=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom:= Todd Elliott =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.co= m =0ASent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 1:19 PM=0ASubject: Re: making a livin= g=0A=0A=0AI'd love to get paid in beer. Or at all. Having a gig where I'm n= ot nearly thrown out would be nice, too. Well, that only happened the one t= ime in the three gigs I played last year, but I digress. =0A=0AIn short, gi= ve me beer.=0A=0AT=0A=0A=0AOn Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Charlie M wrote:=0A=0Aas someone who still gets paid in a percentage i= n beer sales, deception for the club's overhead isn't that far off... =0A>= =0A>=0A>=0A>On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 2:52 PM, David Gans = wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A>>=0A>>Sorry. =A0"Deduction," not "deception." =A0But hey.= ..=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>On Jan 31, 2013, at 12:39 PM, David Gans wrote:=0A>>=0A>>> I occasionally get to open a show at Slim's o= r the Great American Music Hall, usually for $250 or so. =A0But a "headline= " or co-bill at the Starry Plough or Don Quixote's is a door deal, with a d= eception for the club's overhead, etc., and they like to keep the ticket pr= ices down to get more people in the door to buy beer - and of course, they = don't offer the entertainers a share of the bar take.=0A>>=0A>>David Gans -= david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com=0A>>Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Par= k Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730=0A>>Blog: =A0http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.= com/=0A>>Web site: http://www.dgans.com/=0A>>Photos: http://www.flickr.com/= photos/dgans=0A>>Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>= =0A>>=0A>=0A=0A=0A-- =0Ahttp://toaster.bandcamp.com ---409489618-339152352-1359671443=:44682 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Back to the $0.02 beans, I bought lots of= used and remaindered gear. 6 Valley 440s @ $125. A studio owning friend of= mine was trying to start a jingle business. I'd introduce him to musician = friends interested in writing and recording jingles for him. Right off the = bat he would say, "do you want to work for me?" Right now I have people doi= ng jingles for $250,(a completee lie). My friends would ask, "how much do Y= OU sell them for?" No takers obviously. Back to the Valley 440s. When I tol= d him about them, he expressed interest, (there were many more available). = He said he'd call me back. He called back saying, I'll take all I can get, = (he found out they are about $900 new). I told him they were no longer avai= lable. I just get weird when someone is so obvious about exploiting others. Sad to say, there are all too many of them out there.
Rig

From:= Todd Elliott <toddbert@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
= Sent: Thursday, January 31, 20= 13 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: = making a living

I'd love to get paid in beer. Or at all. Having a g= ig where I'm not nearly thrown out would be nice, too. Well, that only happ= ened the one time in the three gigs I played last year, but I digress.

In short, give me beer.

T

On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Char= lie M <pilotcp@gmail.com> wrote:
as someone who still = gets paid in a percentage in beer sales, deception for the club's overhead = isn't that far off...


On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Davi= d Gans <david@trufun.com= > wrote:


Sorry.  = "Deduction," not "deception."  But hey...



On Jan 31, 2013, at 12:39 PM, David Gans <david@trufun.com> wrote:

> I occasionally g= et to open a show at Slim's or the Great American Music Hall, usually for $= 250 or so.  But a "headline" or co-bill at the Starry Plough or Don Qu= ixote's is a door deal, with a deception for the club's overhead, etc., and= they like to keep the ticket prices down to get more people in the door to= buy beer - and of course, they don't offer the entertainers a share of the= bar take.

David Gans - david@truf= un.com or david@gdhour.com
Truth and= Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730
Blog:  http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com/
Web site: http://www.dgans.com/Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans
Music: http://www.cdbaby.co= m/all/dgans








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---409489618-339152352-1359671443=:44682-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 23:09:37 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 330711834A1; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 23:09:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <510AF9B5.80501@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 15:09:41 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Thomas , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com References: <3BFB540B-BD7A-405C-9931-708231F483CE@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <3BFB540B-BD7A-405C-9931-708231F483CE@mac.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080500060101030908050402" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 23:09:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080500060101030908050402 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 1/31/2013 1:16 PM, Daniel Thomas wrote: >>> where I play, weekly, couldn't possibly afford to pay >>> more.............for them, it's a labor of love to have Jazz at >>> their establishment and they are also struggling >>> financially. > > I think perhaps I offended you, Rick. It was not at all my > intention-- if I did , I apologize. Surely you know, my brother, > bandmate and friend, that you have my total respect. > > *No, not in the slightest, Daniel. I just have my own perspective on playing out in the world that the one you have (both are equally valid). * > No disrespect meant Rick, but you seriously can't get gigs that > make you more than $50 in Santa Cruz? > > *None taken. And it has been tough, but I do know that I'm trying > to get jazz gigs and I'm new to that * *scene so I have to establish myself a little, which I've been doing. I was the number one sub drummer for 150 bands from Sacramento to Big Sur for many, many years, but I left that world when i was able, for the first time to live entirely off of my idiosyncratic solo artistry for the first several years of last decade. Getting back into that world again, has proven to be very difficult because the number of high paying gigs, corporate gigs, wedding and club gigs have dwindled to a trickle. I talk to local professional musicians who are out in the trenches making all of their living only playing live (I don't see how it's possible, frankly) but it's a new world. It's even a lot worse from a mere 2 or 3 years ago. I don't at all discount your experience. I have tremendous respect for you as an artist, a manager, a mover of people and a dear friend. I just don't have the exact same kind of experience doing what I"m doing. I'm ambitious, though, and am looking into all kinds of things to get income back up again, some of which are very promising. Gigging in the Jazz scene probably wont' be one of them, though (although I also am working towards upping that work too). much respect, Daniel. Rick * --------------080500060101030908050402 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
On 1/31/2013 1:16 PM, Daniel Thomas wrote:
where I play, weekly,  couldn't possibly afford to pay more.............for them,  it's a labor of love to have Jazz at their establishment and they are also struggling
financially.

I think perhaps I offended you, Rick.  It was not at all my intention--  if I did , I apologize.  Surely you know, my brother, bandmate and friend, that you have my total respect.


No, not in the slightest,  Daniel.      I just have my own perspective on playing out in the world that the one you
have (both are equally valid).



No disrespect meant Rick, but you seriously can't get gigs that make you more than $50 in Santa Cruz? 

None taken.    And it has been tough,  but I do know that I'm trying to get jazz gigs and I'm new to that
scene so I have to establish myself a little, which I've been doing.


I was the number one sub drummer for 150 bands from Sacramento to Big Sur for many, many years, but
I left that world when i was able, for the first time to live entirely off of my idiosyncratic solo artistry for the first
several years of last decade.      Getting back into that world again,  has proven to be very difficult because the number
of high paying gigs, corporate gigs, wedding and club gigs have dwindled to a trickle.     I talk to local professional
musicians who are out in the trenches making all of their living only playing live (I don't see how it's possible, frankly)
but it's a new world.    It's even a lot worse from a mere 2 or 3 years ago.

I don't at all discount your experience.   I have tremendous respect for you as an artist, a manager, a mover of people and a dear friend.
I just don't have the exact same kind of experience doing what I"m doing.

I'm ambitious, though,  and am looking into all kinds of things to get income back up again,  some of which are very promising.
Gigging in the Jazz scene probably wont' be one of them, though (although I also am working towards upping that work too).

much respect, Daniel.

Rick
--------------080500060101030908050402-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 23:27:11 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AC4B1834A7; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 23:27:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=i1995ias9A24cN/Y3eOWANmnEuaHqzqS/IV7etJy7Jo=; b=EFgLywhlklP3vKRmoTElaOapdx11lKTtCMxJx+EcwXKo8aBc3oSXetv/zkh5Oir7xY 7aEoqv6fTUQIuPe0gg7JS9HQTiCE0rBvoYULuY44yoE62V0/hGNtZON0nkw6z/0Oh4tQ yAYOYS7YcQjxDHw/7WPfjscjCfpKT9lhFaBUmnNigeq3exmU0BYCr9FShOGCjHRW+lwd Ac3dmv5LQtHwx3eoJ/fAwTo1H/0uP0/1al2qR+mYjeYHSK7tgjVrfWNNUrxQos2kIICV pV0/KE3KJPwY8v5JdCySQDeimvhn2k2PL9YJPgp2ldHhd9oys4/BWYmOJYinwUoqttSc +xyA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.171.112 with SMTP id at16mr7833483oec.47.1359674830583; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 15:27:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <510AF9B5.80501@cruzio.com> References: <3BFB540B-BD7A-405C-9931-708231F483CE@mac.com> <510AF9B5.80501@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 15:27:10 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Zoe Keating in NY Times article.@borisfx.com From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 23:27:11 +0000 (UTC) > No disrespect meant Rick, but you seriously can't get gigs that make you > more than $50 in Santa Cruz? Actually, I wrote that, not Daniel (just for the record). While I admit to having about zero experience with this, I'm friends with a fair number of folks who seem to have found away to get some money from making music (and I don't know their real financial situation at all, days jobs or what not). I was just surprised that the amount for you was so low. FWIW (and probably very very little) I always kind of thought the way to do this sort of thing was to establish a scene that is just a cool place to be and that by creating a good time and atmosphere you would eventually begin to pull in some kind of income (or at least enough to make it worthwhile-assuming you're having a good time that shouldn't be too hard). Find a place that's loose enough to let you create something and if it works, people will tell more people and the scene will grow. While I very much doubt I will ever make money for playing music, I'm in a similar situation with visual projection. I think I have a pretty great and psychedelic sensibility that really raises the level of the gigs I've been at and yet getting paid to do that has been really a tough sell. Why would people want to pay for such an 'extra' to the music when its not really a necessity? But I should stop before I embarrass myself talking like Micky Rooney to Judy Garland about putting on a show. Sorry to hear its as hard as it is in the trenches. Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 31 23:42:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 644541834A5; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 23:42:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 278159.29766.bm@omp1013.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1359675741; bh=3JQU4OtinGOprhzUcQf3gu5nNq2YzPr6xuYpBXXMBLM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ALqxd125+7PF725xBXmNnamfYT0QHBV8jqOR518oSr7Lio1qZ6gF5MbcxkVmKyZxiYkND8tzJ3OSfoKohPfPxmIXqCDK1JpbYFOvbwRDVIqCJUF7bjUTtvh2tjo1Sicolw7bhjVGtQSrlZMHXgJ3aN9Hgbwg5XaA4mwncMytJYI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=p2SU4MpZEOuxBSiwBG9uk9voH4HPk6/26Pr7g6rj8PaLYZyibsL9/aVLVA34bUYu1N6B+rRLmmW3HHurrMbw7wVxfhAhkOzst9RSzhDNm8WS+OsKqx6kRkE0gg2K+snbp4Qh6VdAjIkPrvEQ4C4mFqbjR+hv6e3d1EAwpQaHfUQ=; X-YMail-OSG: dQO0LR4VM1kO6AHo2lcPW06YkaDzQNEvvsa_dKu8FAciQQP 75rciCR62W6s5eS7kvLr1ULHeP9RxNTIgjI9YZUlMrozPEhp5RsHepexRy8L 2anHLV_ZlfoEncxQX52jAVn2lHQfBXgQguhH9GeCJWlC1UrNWyXf.t.MjyAi v8Ri7AvuuVMr40ug4FYqkeVNaIti0H_yPBSASb7nbcai8yFacNIPprxX0TUX P6Ze0N2s80E6CBUjW91xDmMswUrRkZoAvjbAzGpaG80JTon.WEmKZblUPELH l8HoBeh_k0HwpMfByhEH2OS_EwW2hhsoVSxqeb7Uu6a9LwgwZicn9BhzAyTO E1JQLQIRliOPW7xQr__8iYRGaNdk6SnT_hZ1GmrsQaNQcBnDMLiwp17O.y3F GeVsjZRTWMZKiBdLA0siWCfhYUJHq9vlV_b8FDmzXhkNo9X_3YYJ4LRYTvTn lg_R8OADbV2TjU1N7JvJf_4UQQ6d2QFjNbnxtaST0mSo2enkoQjFpdobdtWa AXITHrrZLZ_2bqd.p8ntsRV1bfZwUyey55e61Bsisu_ZfSb0nUfUi8FSPyWH yGmTMMSulMZdPWIopssI5hsqWf61P_MwEIWxBaHYqIbaDGfM- X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,VGhhdCB3YXMgbG9vcGluZyEhPz8gWk9XSUUhISEgRG8gdGVsbCwgKGhvdykuClJpZwoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCiBGcm9tOiBSUCBDb2xsaWVyIDxza2VwdGlrYWxpc3RAZ21haWwuY29tPgpUbzogTG9vcGVycy1EZWxpZ2h0QGxvb3BlcnMtZGVsaWdodC5jb20gCkNjOiBSaWNrIFdhbGtlciA8bG9vcHBvb2xAY3J1emlvLmNvbT4gClNlbnQ6IFN1bmRheSwgSmFudWFyeSAyNywgMjAxMyA4OjE0IEFNClN1YmplY3Q6IFJlOiBuZXcgdmlkZW8vc29uZwogCgoKCk9uIEphbiAyNiwBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.131.499 References: <28E8D520-E741-48ED-85C9-A14B7F17BCEB@gmail.com> <5104D36D.8070606@cruzio.com> <96878867-BA50-4930-B232-B3EA941C91BF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1359675740.45259.YahooMailNeo@web125105.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 15:42:20 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: new video/song To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Cc: Rick Walker In-Reply-To: <96878867-BA50-4930-B232-B3EA941C91BF@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="461871616-1667271042-1359675740=:45259" Resent-Message-ID: <7PkVrC.A.gDH.eFwCRB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 23:42:22 +0000 (UTC) --461871616-1667271042-1359675740=:45259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That was looping!!?? ZOWIE!!! Do tell, (how). Rig ________________________________ From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Rick Walker Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:14 AM Subject: Re: new video/song On Jan 26, 2013, at 11:12 PM, Rick Walker wrote: Beautiful and very evocative. >I love the mixture of the music and the video. Thank you sir! And thanks for taking the time to listen. I love your Challenge video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iApedAzjwiU regards BobC --461871616-1667271042-1359675740=:45259 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
That was looping!!?? ZOWIE!!! Do tell, (how).
Rig


From: RP Collier <skeptikalist@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Cc: Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: new video/song


On Jan 26, 2013, at 11:12 PM, Rick Walker wrote:

Beautiful and very evocative.
I love the mixture of the music and the video.


Thank you sir!
And thanks for taking the time to listen.

I love your Challenge video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iApedAzjwiU

regards

BobC


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I may have to rethink this 3 Ibanez delays with t= he Roland tape echo. What is the favorite looper??? OR, what is the favorit= e color? I imagine there are as many answers as people.=0ARig=0A=0A=0A_____= ___________________________=0A From: mark francombe =0ATo: loopers-delight =0ASent: Sund= ay, January 27, 2013 1:14 AM=0ASubject: Re: new video/song=0A =0A=0AAs a hu= ge fan of archive and diary movies, I=A0applaud=A0this. I also liked the cu= t up audio glitches.. can we have a little nerd info on the musical set-up = please?=0A=0AMArk=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 2:37 AM, RP Collier wrote:=0A=0A=0A>Here is a video for a song from a ne= w album I just released.=0A>The song is ambient glitch electronica.=0A>Musi= c was made using an iPad and Ableton Live.=0A>The video is of Coney Island = in August 1904.=0A>=0A>=0A>Youtube=0A>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DOxsc= 0x7wV6Y=0A>=0A>or=0A>=0A>Vimeo=0A>https://vimeo.com/58271721=0A>=0A>=0A>I w= ill get the album up on Bandcamp eventually and announce when that is accom= plished.=0A>=0A>=0A>regards=0A>=0A>BobC=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A-- =0AMark Francomb= e=0Awww.markfrancombe.com=0Awww.ordoabkhao.com=0Ahttp://vimeo.com/user82509= 4=0Ahttp://www.looop.no/=0Atwitter @markfrancombe=0Ahttp://www.flickr.com/p= hotos/24478662@N00/ ---409489618-444883647-1359675995=:87728 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
THAt TOO I= S LOOPING!!!??? I may have to rethink this 3 Ibanez delays with the Roland = tape echo. What is the favorite looper??? OR, what is the favorite color? I= imagine there are as many answers as people.
Rig


From: mark francombe <mark@markfranco= mbe.com>
To: looper= s-delight <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 1:14 AM
Subject: Re: new video/song

=0A
As a huge fa= n of archive and diary movies, I applaud this. I also liked the c= ut up audio glitches.. can we have a little nerd info on the musical set-up= please?

MArk
=0A=0A

O= n Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 2:37 AM, RP Collier <skeptikalist@gmail.com> wr= ote:
=0A=0A
=0AHere is a= video for a song from a new album I just released.
=0AThe song is ambie= nt glitch electronica.
=0AMusic was made using an iPad and Ableton Live.=
=0AThe video is of Coney Island in August 1904.
=0A
=0A
=0AYou= tube
=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DOxsc0x7wV6Y
=0A
=0Aor
= =0A
=0AVimeo
=0Ahttps://vimeo.com/58271721
=0A
=0A
=0AI w= ill get the album up on Bandcamp eventually and announce when that is accom= plished.
=0A
=0A
=0Aregards
=0A
=0ABobC
=0A
=0A



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I=E2=80=99ve asked them for some specs instead of a bunch of = marketing speak. =20 Sounds intriguing.
 
From: Jeff Duke
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: Boss Tera Delay (new, slight = OT)
 
Looks=20 very interesting but the video leaves a lot to be desired. I wish the = guy=20 talking would have shut up! I can only find the one vid. It says that it = "dramatically enhancing the straight guitar tone without overwhelming = it." Does=20 this mean it won't go to 100% wet if I want it to? We now have a Guitar = Center=20 in my little burg, maybe I'll go and check it out. Thanks for the heads = up=20 Scott!

Jeff

On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Scott Hansen = <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:
wasn't sure if you saw this, not a looper per say, = but an=20 ambient delay pedal from boss, just announced at NAMM:

http://rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=3Dte-2

= there's a=20 couple of good vids on it already on youtube....
to me it sounds = like the=20 boss space echo pedal w/ some extra sounds in small = format.
supposedly has=20 a "freeze" option...which i haven't heard too well in the vids.
i = thought=20 it might be boss' version of the EH freeze w/ some extra delay = features....but=20 i don't think so.
some have said it's more of an ambient processor=20 pedal...a post rock pedal (no idea what that term really=20 means!)
discuss....
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