From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 01:27:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD514183452; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 01:27:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <313f0826f6baddda266b60d7d4edf7b3.squirrel@cruziomail.cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:27:48 -0700 Subject: OT: Advice about Phantom Power and RME FIREFACE UC From: looppool@cruzio.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 01:27:49 +0000 (UTC) OT: except for that it's gear related and I trust you all here with your knowledge: I purchased an RME FIREFACE UC sound card/breakout box for a client to record/live loop with. It comes with 48 volt phantom power but the phantom power doesn't provide enough juice to power either an Audio Technica ATM 4033 or a Neumann KM86 condenser mic. Are there stereo 48 volt phantom power solutions in the world that are NOT connected to microphone PreAmps? Currently I'm using an inexpensive ART tube pre to give the mics enough power but I don't want to send the signal through a cheap pre amp and into the very expensive RME pre amps. Anyone know of a solution for this dilemma? thanks, in advance, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 01:29:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13BA2183460; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 01:29:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Subject: Re: Death to homophonic harmonies! From: Ed Durbrow In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:29:27 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa04b; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:29:27 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 01:29:30 +0000 (UTC) When rock musicians study formal music theory, the thing that usually = grabs them and sets them off in excitement is counterpoint. Maybe = improvising counterpoint lines, thinking linearly, would be 'out of the = box'. On Aug 1, 2012, at 3:48 AM, Rob Jellinghaus wrote: > But this is actually a very interesting question. How do you get out = of a musical "rut"? I keep finding myself making relatively similar = improvisations. On the one hand, I feel I should just do what comes = naturally, since it's an expression of my musical instinct -- and I need = practice at everything I do with looping-wise. But on the other hand, = harmonies are very easily overdone and there is an infinity of other = possibilities. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=3Dwatch http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 02:15:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E605C18345A; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 02:15:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 307588.38519.bm@omp1011.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1343787324; bh=Wp+/6fZX41h7D1ZsiIIdRGvuwi9kc9hj6JGF03iRhUc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=L+tPpdfDpdoPmEqJo1muQR3+wLkyf572N8BTHucO4CoysMmIifviij/Ozv7laM1Gewzw9VPRnLGNGEp3jWUKNeo0nT9w9Hr/Er5Xb6tx37rZ4pq7WSpk106DO4bPtLSi7IwLZyQqDClsKgePi2Kdl1zJ5eKDBpbsOabQhUZzPTQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DtS+eROkiXkHTQpdp0AtxeBoecLxBvx4LTBf5pVI4aA1e5yjy7eVuVGySfQwrMEaBrzD5mhMTTAGhok6L06IInBt1om7e0Xcbes/Y3JcEhqegLEDUQ1zvNHCTIkKSLQX6EUwZHPwd6Eq0FwRE8N9VGoAxBy4H32y3U22rWbu0kk=; X-YMail-OSG: 3ARbUTQVM1lX2s0pfkkff6Yc7Nz7g3VM_gL7ISgX9G3KtEE KMEBdDHiodUeaPA44WGSaLx21VChHz3vl2HfewKFLfJy.VSMMav9C0.Ll_Dt 2K52VNMhRh8M0CC4pKTGSM71dodXbMY28y4Cr6WIIJdA3hIwXAaw7.sgS.B1 H6k4gFtm01AJqzwCI.A3FMaoy_4eMXobZdb887m3B.YNQlphlEf0nJVZ85TZ oI5_PW.OWWdxwhnte7Z0mVCdrRQEcHULva..Av3aWqET6Iqn7VXvMHDGE3FZ AAwoXkWiC2mMt.a5mCURiPg5lTXP79HBhJvJvQxKIZ9RVHJ7N5t7iBUYBwsM 2BAj.6v0EfuWEsUc_KvyNJFzqxcxYEDXBR4S_WEQNDQW9a8c5KCLpNHJIShs WBH2K3sVwsPTw_0SK5QHHSpNmJcGBV0T5JQ2p7LCK6_UIPqBIN.OyN56w3Ef 74kH0ZKLl2Vq9y4oe3JNDGYtwugzusi0riPyFIaa5Iiv9Psd3O4EmaqkBOiB HgywzW5e1Uk1__g0VukBN21br04H0XdCgnfYbdkvQJqs- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: Message-ID: <1343787324.74262.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:15:24 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Death to homophonic harmonies! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-709188601-1633740282-1343787324=:74262" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 02:15:26 +0000 (UTC) ---709188601-1633740282-1343787324=:74262 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I limit myself to 1 or 2 instruments. When I first started, I only had 3 or= 4 keyboards, a homemake electric guitar,a roland space echo, and the mixin= g/eq of the band I was doing sound for. Having few choices makes you wring = more out of the limited equipment you have. The more choices, the less of e= xploring sounds, just find a good preset. Also, most of my mixes are reverb= /delay heavy. Shutting them off forces me to make different music.=0ARig=0A= Rig=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Rob Jellinghaus =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Tues= day, July 31, 2012 11:48 AM=0ASubject: Death to homophonic harmonies!=0A = =0A=0AOn Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschil= l wrote:=0A=0AIs there a single beatboxer who wh= en doing a demo video does NOT start to do homophonic harmonies? =0A=0AYes.= =A0 A friend of mine played with my looper and did all this awesome ambient= stuff that would never have occurred to me.=A0 I know I have a lot of Bobb= y McFerrin in my skull and it keeps wanting to get out.=0A=0ABut this is ac= tually a very interesting question.=A0 How do you get out of a musical "rut= "?=A0 I keep finding myself making relatively similar improvisations.=A0 On= the one hand, I feel I should just do what comes naturally, since it's an = expression of my musical instinct -- and I need practice at everything I do= with looping-wise.=A0 But on the other hand, harmonies are very easily ove= rdone and there is an infinity of other possibilities.=0A=A0=0AWhat do you = all do to crack yourselves out of making your old familiar type of music?= =0A=A0=0ACheers,=0ARob=0A=A0=0A(p.s. I don't really mean the subject line -= - I will always love homophonic harmony madly --=A0but it should add some e= nergy to the thread ;-)=0A=0A-- =0ACheck my blog --> http://robjsoftware.or= g ---709188601-1633740282-1343787324=:74262 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I limit myself to 1 or 2 instruments. When I first started, I only had 3 or= 4 keyboards, a homemake electric guitar,a roland space echo, and the mixin= g/eq of the band I was doing sound for. Having few choices makes you wring = more out of the limited equipment you have. The more choices, the less of e= xploring sounds, just find a good preset. Also, most of my mixes are reverb= /delay heavy. Shutting them off forces me to make different music.
Rig=
Rig
From= : Rob Jellinghaus <rjellinghaus@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.c= om
Sent: Tuesday, Jul= y 31, 2012 11:48 AM
Subject: Dea= th to homophonic harmonies!

=0A
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:33 AM, R= ainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com> wro= te:
=0A
=0AIs there a single beatboxer who when doing a de= mo video does NOT start to do homophonic harmonies?=0A=0A

Yes.=A0 A friend of mine played with my looper= and did all this awesome ambient stuff that would never have occurred to m= e.=A0 I know I have a lot of Bobby McFerrin in my skull and it keeps wantin= g to get out.
=0A

But this is actually a very interesting ques= tion.=A0 How do you get out of a musical "rut"?=A0 I keep finding= myself making relatively similar improvisations.=A0 On the one hand, I fee= l I should just do what comes naturally, since it's an expression of my= musical instinct -- and I need practice at everything I do with l= ooping-wise.=A0 But on the other hand, harmonies are very easily overdone a= nd there is an infinity of other possibilities.
=0A
=A0
= What do you all do to crack yourselves out of making your old familiar type= of music?
=A0
Cheers,
Rob
=A0
(p.s. I don't really mean the subject line -- I will always love = homophonic harmony madly --=A0but it should add some energy to the thread ;= -)
=0A
--
Check my blog --> http://robjsoftware.= org
=0A
=0A


---709188601-1633740282-1343787324=:74262-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 04:19:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 512B8183455; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 04:19:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_eac703e1-47be-49e0-8248-b13f1ddacc02_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.53.10] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: OT: Advice about Phantom Power and RME FIREFACE UC Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 04:19:32 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <313f0826f6baddda266b60d7d4edf7b3.squirrel@cruziomail.cruzio.com> References: <313f0826f6baddda266b60d7d4edf7b3.squirrel@cruziomail.cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2012 04:19:33.0207 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA530E70:01CD6F9C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 04:19:34 +0000 (UTC) --_eac703e1-47be-49e0-8248-b13f1ddacc02_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rick=2CI've never com across phantom power that doesn't work for all mic= s=2C (and I've used a lot in a lot of different situations). Have you tried= changing your leads? Peace=2C G Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > Date: Tue=2C 31 Jul 2012 18:27:48 -0700 > Subject: OT: Advice about Phantom Power and RME FIREFACE UC > From: looppool@cruzio.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > OT: except for that it's gear related and I trust you all here with your > knowledge: >=20 > I purchased an RME FIREFACE UC sound card/breakout box for a client to > record/live loop with. It comes with 48 volt phantom power but the phanto= m > power doesn't provide enough juice to power either an Audio Technica ATM > 4033 or a Neumann KM86 condenser mic. >=20 > Are there stereo 48 volt phantom power solutions in the world that are NO= T > connected to microphone PreAmps? Currently I'm using an inexpensive ART > tube pre to give the mics enough power but I don't want to send the signa= l > through a cheap pre amp and into the very expensive RME pre amps. >=20 > Anyone know of a solution for this dilemma? >=20 > thanks=2C in advance=2C Rick Walker >=20 = --_eac703e1-47be-49e0-8248-b13f1ddacc02_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Rick=2C
I've never com across phantom power that doesn't work for al= l mics=2C (and I've used a lot in a lot of different situations). Have you = tried changing your leads?

Peace=2C

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Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

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>=3B Date: Tue=2C 31 Jul 2012 = 18:27:48 -0700
>=3B Subject: OT: Advice about Phantom Power and RME F= IREFACE UC
>=3B From: looppool@cruzio.com
>=3B To: Loopers-Deligh= t@loopers-delight.com
>=3B
>=3B OT: except for that it's gear re= lated and I trust you all here with your
>=3B knowledge:
>=3B >=3B I purchased an RME FIREFACE UC sound card/breakout box for a client= to
>=3B record/live loop with. It comes with 48 volt phantom power bu= t the phantom
>=3B power doesn't provide enough juice to power either = an Audio Technica ATM
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>=3B Are there stereo 48 volt phantom power solutions in the wor= ld that are NOT
>=3B connected to microphone PreAmps? Currently I'm us= ing an inexpensive ART
>=3B tube pre to give the mics enough power but= I don't want to send the signal
>=3B through a cheap pre amp and into= the very expensive RME pre amps.
>=3B
>=3B Anyone know of a sol= ution for this dilemma?
>=3B
>=3B thanks=2C in advance=2C Rick= Walker
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= --_eac703e1-47be-49e0-8248-b13f1ddacc02_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 04:37:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F92C183460; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 04:37:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :x-priority:date:references:x-mailer; bh=u6KptQ15dQS8louxNvh9UVT4DE33Eu37f/rxxUXA1Hs=; b=zIHreImB6NqJUObD5sGoMmYawFZyhX4A8rPkiDvx+QMLXtRfOlkIFhAXCcUnc04NJQ z8sdk5HPNqOzO0pTcPHdKiwGV0eeg9vpCTYNn/Ek+jZMOwd+UWwNcECrodnwrMx9hfm+ U6KzAex9UAUnDjkWtd98ZDzeyQBgIYXl1cM2s0Glumq6LCzgPmtOq1lPQp9Fehn9SqkR SHZXX1fm9xFJueVXZxoCciKKS24v34RjZxWMdLP6z3K8T3fPfqUDJG3dLJz+m9jM17eu nTG1N5BbmK0x7qed+8PzJ3NT0232KU6D4TANNE0K2NFqmKJjvyRkWjA7eTC9e0RwG7gR nX9Q== Message-Id: <10975B4D-122C-409B-9BCA-F6DCEA22A8CD@gmail.com> From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <313f0826f6baddda266b60d7d4edf7b3.squirrel@cruziomail.cruzio.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-416413172 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: OT: Advice about Phantom Power and RME FIREFACE UC X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:37:13 -0700 References: <313f0826f6baddda266b60d7d4edf7b3.squirrel@cruziomail.cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 04:37:17 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-416413172 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jul 31, 2012, at 6:27 PM, looppool@cruzio.com wrote: > Are there stereo 48 volt phantom power solutions in the world that > are NOT > connected to microphone PreAmps? Maybe some variation of http://www.zzounds.com/item--ARTPHANTOMI or http://www.radialeng.com/r2011/j48.php BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j http://cdbaby.com/cd/rpcollier6 http://rpcollier.bandcamp.com/album/platz --Apple-Mail-1-416413172 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Jul 31, 2012, = at 6:27 PM, looppool@cruzio.com= wrote:

Are there = stereo 48 volt phantom power solutions in the world that are = NOT
connected to microphone = PreAmps?


Maybe = some variation of
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BobC
= --Apple-Mail-1-416413172-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 04:42:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7881E183460; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 04:42:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5018B3CA.6090307@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:42:50 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tyler CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Strategies to Exit Composing and Looping Ruts was, Death to homophonic harmonies! References: <20120731185210.11253.82073.levelstar.mail@everest> In-Reply-To: <20120731185210.11253.82073.levelstar.mail@everest> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 04:42:58 +0000 (UTC) On 7/31/12 11:52 AM, Tyler wrote: > What do you all do to crack yourselves out of making your old familiar type of > >music? Change direction: Write from the percussion/drums up .....from the bass line up (or down) .....start with a melody and experiment with how to reharmonize it (or add counterpoint) ......start with a chord progression and proceed ......use an instrument that you have very little to know knowledge of ........change your time signature, or if you want to stay in common times, swing rhythms if you play straight or make your swung rhythms straight ........radically change up your tempi.........right much slower than you would normally or , even harder, much faster ........create homophonic loops and then reharmonize them, either with what you play chordally or what you play in the bass .........Paul Simon had a cool strategy he applied to lyric writing that you could also use to write harmonically or melodically 1) write a complete cliche and very 'inside' line 2) alternate that with a line that is very idiosyncratic....perhaps even one that would only appeal to you.........continue this strategy with a 50%-50% formula........you will create music that feels very familiar and yet you feel like you've never heard it before. ...........look up Brian Eno's Oblique Strategy Cards (available to print out for free on the web) Shuffle 'em up, draw one and religiously do exactly what it tells you to do. Simplify make things much more Complex good luck, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 06:14:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2181E183462; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 06:14:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_5edaf789-ba20-4b67-b8ee-d0f245a22025_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.53.10] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Reverb plugin for mac Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 06:14:56 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<7A55305150BF9E6EAE16F920@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2012 06:14:57.0006 (UTC) FILETIME=[F93AF0E0:01CD6FAC] Resent-Message-ID: <-SRZVD.A.p7F.hlMGQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 06:14:58 +0000 (UTC) --_5edaf789-ba20-4b67-b8ee-d0f245a22025_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Many thanks for all the suggestions. I've been using 'Ambience' which is de= nse and bright and works well for my purposes. It's also free - though I wi= ll be donating to the talented individual that create it.. Here's the link= =2C in case anyone is interested: http://magnus.smartelectronix.com/#Ambience peace=2CG Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk = --_5edaf789-ba20-4b67-b8ee-d0f245a22025_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Many thanks for all the suggestions. I've been using 'Ambience' which is de= nse and bright and works well for my purposes. It's also free - though I wi= ll be donating to the talented individual that create it.. =3B
Here= 's the link=2C in case anyone is interested:
http://magnus.smartele= ctronix.com/#Ambience

peace=2C
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= Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk



= --_5edaf789-ba20-4b67-b8ee-d0f245a22025_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 07:23:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D383183460; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 07:23:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YZrh3wI/cTTV3W9xt5gdwCR7yHcE/py0XLZeQcTTU70=; b=Ub2Zuc6zlrf2eDLaM3WKay3M7o3bI7zsi3C3Y82aYaVlzzWc+PCuJzjhu1kuEW4ZKC e1uy7t035vpwVYVvH/D81vGj28kG13WOV40L+dd34SPNzkrtv0BMMXpFKyUq3zxo5lYf TPQM22eTD3WgnODxk1rq9D1jlKZi9W2tR54kb8txetp/g+oJmKlIalCpY2mOpXeT5rE+ fU6yMc2LYPnwEam2FQtqr2RK4NMwG5syosv/NoK4ezdDtMdvsNcmvnP1oSESdFALsNSe qqAqrrKmiqfNdsPg/mNBBmkrDzuV9u9npmp0qHR0I/CrUtf6wOuhiVjdXaMqW1TZNwCL Io8w== Message-ID: <5018D96B.6040609@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:23:23 +0200 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Advice about Phantom Power and RME FIREFACE UC References: <313f0826f6baddda266b60d7d4edf7b3.squirrel@cruziomail.cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <313f0826f6baddda266b60d7d4edf7b3.squirrel@cruziomail.cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 07:23:14 +0000 (UTC) Am 01.08.2012 03:27, schrieb looppool@cruzio.com: > Anyone know of a solution for this dilemma? > Return the RME. It obviously doesn't work (the fact that you tried it with two different mics, and I assume you also tested those two mics and the cables with another micpre?) suggests this strongly. Rainer (who powers the electrically-similar AT4050 with an RME pre). 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---1480336445-633294871-1343813702=:6625-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 10:21:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E53C18345E; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:21:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=/gSmPlT4lcVSkwQq44R7O1S4fpBH8sRf8+JMpz7Z674=; b=ZsbTXjqRywg8C8KKHy9RysliBUHzsYImxcOjB+jwL/f20aooaQeZYZvO31dYR/EIqL yXqta2vTtSNX6BeIv+C9IGTHK67iVoZIZcfSd5Rl9J83+uywCK0Jvl/adUjU3xxCwhQS Kl724rnHoZSlPWN26fXF10+NdvKvV2WJrQe0GjVe95lgEwSb4wAsav8Px/CU5Wjr2w4H jRSWq4I5FQYOOdJOmja0H8N4rQZ1uS8lpFWYT2BhiNteIE8wcfWKvFtVKcjh7iEwVdLJ MBO5Yfox22KUzJvCdbgiwLK5/irYBJKPe2xRTyyb7HNoHIeMHykpuYTyukGhy56FcZrg CMNQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <313f0826f6baddda266b60d7d4edf7b3.squirrel@cruziomail.cruzio.com> References: <313f0826f6baddda266b60d7d4edf7b3.squirrel@cruziomail.cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:21:25 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Advice about Phantom Power and RME FIREFACE UC From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <1CSCY.A.J5H.lMQGQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:21:25 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 3:27 AM, wrote: > Are there stereo 48 volt phantom power solutions in the world that are NOT > connected to microphone PreAmps? Yes, there are. On my desk here I'm looking at two "LEEM Phantom Power Adapter PHW-22". But I agree with Rainer that the box may be corrupt. Or... if you excuse an indiscrete question; are you sure your enabled phantom power? The little yellow led should be on when phantom power for one of the two inputs is active. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 10:34:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3786183460; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:34:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=XmpLXTG7dsSF9Cd/kl6AkiI/UISTTiRoneI7hXHMmFE=; b=pb/Y4pHhgjoHVbG8wr+XFKfnGvnul4IrQg/2SGG5l5F+KEZkBdxO4WL74yP06JyGy9 ek8ujtAVqnia4/woINCdTEqUa5raNFDabUIobBy/tFvc9lbPwYDYn18QEIduEvcC/bbS gSL5X2darasualEgxgKetENVMsxUk4b+Zx3wkNQhHZEkgNWupFulGFnlKTRi5FjMDXLj pxbnmEYDWYsf21vPtApYI5N6WOBrl7JMIA9miHc5ijlNtL1RBmpu54KOQd35W8ToTlO0 wG7g3lnvCRoA5O+oewoAqTwvuZEcppmPltHTvQhSR6r0Y8nX8FEgLN8ei0Qnw8fvQK1z YLRQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1343787324.74262.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1343787324.74262.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:34:36 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Death to homophonic harmonies! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <-q7mWD.A.QH.8YQGQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:34:36 +0000 (UTC) > What do you all do to crack yourselves out of making your old familiar type > of music? Decision. I make a decision for what kind of music I want to make and then I do it. The process may of course be quite long and include a lot of research and study. I think it is a good method because even if you do not succeed in following Plan A "a failure" might still come out as good music that stands out from your previous work. Another method is to play around and experiment. This is always fun and educational, but not as productive as "the decision method". My favorite method is none of those to though, but to simply play and compose a lot. As you grow bored you instinctly change directions and will suddenly find yourself reborn in a new musical landscape. An enjoyable natural process, but often too time consuming for modern life. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 11:15:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 442DF183460; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:15:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rMKXKXMWvpLfFZBlozu6Z5qCuf28XgIaI61P2TRe+hU=; b=uh4mcd1BxkriGORYAKHHGU+W5UVqzHEAqJIpT+oY7TXUnJ5yVMVW0+BMuxB5+aVo3Z YYP1bi5UwoJs7Ah7PiGmAgu/tPT5sZRHQ5ZvGc8UTU6I1rrVDHQIheh9NxdfY1vVRGaY cffTGd6K/g+ELbdoaVeZllOz9JsnrwMZGmnFeWGWmaqnCDLQ/KCa8z8Hi/ujmAoJN206 51lv117qZ9E6crwTiVFgrQ29mwiPQT7YhqTicQ33I/W38C0VWiTiLhx/7wNT56b1B42t nU+eFGrIvPQqTyfU5U5wXD/wnR57IXytQVGQN2D5bVIh8l0gL0GVXbkj+6z24AyMjw/Q gJ9Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <313f0826f6baddda266b60d7d4edf7b3.squirrel@cruziomail.cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:15:13 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Advice about Phantom Power and RME FIREFACE UC From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:15:14 +0000 (UTC) just want to check that you were able to turn the phantom power on, as this is done via the rme software...not on the hardware On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 3:27 AM, wrote: >> Are there stereo 48 volt phantom power solutions in the world that are NOT >> connected to microphone PreAmps? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 14:15:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9F12183465; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:15:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Ed Durbrow Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_679E86A0-7200-429C-AD43-60DB3C4A049C" Subject: Re: What can blind and visually impaired loopers do? Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 23:15:16 +0900 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20120728081626.27373.36442.levelstar.mail@everest> Message-Id: <54648DA1-37DC-453A-947D-98B4CD4D062B@sea.plala.or.jp> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa04b; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 23:15:16 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: <9gV0yC.A.n3B.4nTGQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:15:20 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_679E86A0-7200-429C-AD43-60DB3C4A049C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is soooooo what I want to do. I never could get to first base with = the Behringer 1010 and Mobius. You haven't, by any chance, made a = tutorial about this, have you? On Jul 28, 2012, at 6:52 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > I use Mobius and practically never need to watch the screen. I totally > loop with my feet, using a MIDI foot pedalboard. If you perform > without shoes you can easily feel the kick pads with your feet and be > in total control. A pedalboard with ten buttons will give you acces to > the traditional EDP style looping (and more!) if you set it up for the > ten actions: >=20 > 1. Record, > 2. Overdub, > 3. Multiply, > 4. Substitute, > 5. Speed, > 6. Reverse, > 7. Previous Loop, > 8. Next Loop, > 9. Previous Track, > 10. Next Track, Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=3Dwatch http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp --Apple-Mail=_679E86A0-7200-429C-AD43-60DB3C4A049C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii This = is soooooo what I want to do. I never could get to first base with the = Behringer 1010 and Mobius. You haven't, by any chance, made a tutorial = about this, have you?


On Jul 28, 2012, = at 6:52 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

I use Mobius and practically never need to = watch the screen. I totally
loop with = my feet, using a MIDI foot pedalboard. If you perform
without = shoes you can easily feel the kick pads with your feet and be
in total = control. A pedalboard with ten buttons will give you acces to
the = traditional EDP style looping (and more!) if you set it up for = the
ten = actions:

1. = Record,
2. = Overdub,
3. = Multiply,
4. = Substitute,
5. = Speed,
6. = Reverse,
7. = Previous Loop,
8. Next = Loop,
9. = Previous Track,
10. Next = Track,

= --Apple-Mail=_679E86A0-7200-429C-AD43-60DB3C4A049C-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 15:07:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BA32183466; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:07:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <313f0826f6baddda266b60d7d4edf7b3.squirrel@cruziomail.cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: a gear headsup..... In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CF3E0E7DBC8557_108C_49845_webmail-stg-d12.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36786-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CF3E0E7DB56134-108C-13EB7@webmail-stg-d12.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [151.201.14.11] Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:07:24 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1343833644; bh=cLn9krCylKGwEg/ZvUHie++l5NqVmcoou7dWlg0Nwnk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tBGaaF47RdmbPRyQQf5xC1hw4iCS6DshoUrNLc8OooQehiAJ2zi0fILeQHWEdXzia q33oSVC92TUlphUnraQpZl4QybJDq3NzDSlwS6VtxN9NUoxlgSE5BRYWAQ4PYBUuUt UM36T+3pz2Cab4XwhfLyk9TO2JO8QndKqL1mwcqw= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:306932480:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a5019462c16aa Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:07:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CF3E0E7DBC8557_108C_49845_webmail-stg-d12.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" SWEETWATER is blowing out the TASCAM PR-10 handheld portable SD recorder fo= r $49.00 including shipping..... i know nothing about this unit but the price sure is right.....just thought= some of ynz would like to know.....carry on! =20 ----------MB_8CF3E0E7DBC8557_108C_49845_webmail-stg-d12.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" SWEETWATER is blowing out the TASCA= M PR-10 handheld portable SD recorder for $49.00 including shipping.....

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----------MB_8CF3E0E7DBC8557_108C_49845_webmail-stg-d12.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 15:20:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF7B1183473; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:20:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 49976.5592.bm@omp1006.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1343834427; bh=nsdrrE/RhcgcOgAB9INuk94kIVGnUPnkTnuKKBOhTpo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AdCy22tPlz3SIX6ht/wOBZiO+WFtI8NxqK5afkc+iv//EQjC4rWG/qUaTj3aM2GRgC6doeVIFcghmbpy8jFuUKGZwSZ/Oxjtl9JBfiKyMs71AmaTk+cjDw/3hXvQ9ETvuTGZ0xyrbmj2+W8IdLe9vEBwRZm8EtSuGJ7C2L3uWvs= X-YMail-OSG: YDRYy9QVM1nqFi3gkT5cCZqnmM_wsiQcnFtplixY4aAkkP1 HpMsMwkjhCawNug.POMMyNaqxHj7jwslDh5Ey9K9HY7f4KZsArF21nCY6SgH XvAROxGxOdhnr5J3wXgwUv9tENPHgrgBSgFKJGRZ2HigN.iSYcIrbyOPxmRb G18ddA5QSxt_5FblYcxxMvbbyuiV86_L9W.MDYlyUOq5IADaxuZRo4eOV7Sz P85QadO87VgTsoAkMozHaMDi_L1QyxahLihDgOfMy0I36hg2qvv8Tm3jOmo6 BCxNjLUzlNbDo84e1PYUzIvxO.SqGYF3G6cTvCjuAD7glMbKzChZ7gH.fQ7P bZR2WjHRGvgiHeYIJV9G47JSezf9ZrnrqIdscDDCqTWkbLH159iUzAC26Jir 98VGtRtwfnTB7bdN4RyImrR.K265Dp5vNFdOCi5ue9ynZlS6_Pk_3LMTeOto jpfIJKPTXGjj_LZN9JCv1O7z.kc1lABof_KHnT4cLjzcWZVuKItIcAUeZxin zCb23PMaMhMkS4Q-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1343834427.3193.YahooMailClassic@web84504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 08:20:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: a gear headsup..... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8CF3E0E7DB56134-108C-13EB7@webmail-stg-d12.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1298053209-1656116144-1343834427=:3193" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:20:29 +0000 (UTC) ---1298053209-1656116144-1343834427=:3193 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks, Michael. That IS a fire-sale price! --- On Wed, 8/1/12, michael klobuchar wrote: From: michael klobuchar Subject: a gear headsup..... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wednesday, August 1, 2012, 11:07 AM SWEETWATER is blowing out the TASCAM PR-10 handheld portable SD recorder for $49.00 including shipping..... i know nothing about this unit but the price sure is right.....just thought some of ynz would like to know.....carry on! ---1298053209-1656116144-1343834427=:3193 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Thanks, Michael. That IS a fire-sale price!



--- On Wed, 8/1/12, michael klobuchar <nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:

From: michael klobuchar <nemoguitt@aol.com>
Subject: a gear headsup.....
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Wednesday, August 1, 2012, 11:07 AM

SWEETWATER is blowing out the TASCAM PR-10 handheld portable SD recorder for $49.00 including shipping.....

i know nothing about this unit but the price sure is right.....just thought some of ynz would like to know.....carry on!
---1298053209-1656116144-1343834427=:3193-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 15:22:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D459183475; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:22:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=GabAd98DGXcRb4TAHbQgwbnDoyCTDXy0MeBuhOhG5ro=; b=BT7Wn35+FXHzyEzpkMo5Ssb6wGQRgQnuUzsKTztH+Hks0CI6NhuyNPZNNpQ9kKq8xz 8r+T6E8USWeg0QnR79CVzmvsSKpDZ6KEvAbBOWuDvruYJ7+Q1LbVnxPyMxexh8chbd1s 4vXeC3mu8MDQM29/zx3iKBn0BzjA9PFY3vZiMblqAErOBfYlj0oM7ahMzL+a8DtYIfrA uGph1RdfaPzikzSiQPbyejDPP8JtrKcM+gkVRX4FJqNY2kklbe/T99Z2IStMnvpq4f3/ 9eJhYwAipSZsadBE/RjZgwMayw5yD1o34ze7PDaAUMnvilaysWu6pYYAmFcTTOgRIWYm 2czQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:22:18 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Multitrack computer looping? From: Mike Fugazzi To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00248c768d864b38ac04c635dcf8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:22:18 +0000 (UTC) --00248c768d864b38ac04c635dcf8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Suggestions? I would like to create separate tracks from the same input in a home studio. Does not need to be used live, but needs to be really easy to set up and dump into Audacity. Thanks! I use a Boomerang live and have Loopy HD. I love Loopy, but don't know how to take exported loops an then multiply them. Can I copy paste a loop right in Audacity and sync tracks easily??? -- ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas --00248c768d864b38ac04c635dcf8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Suggestions? =A0I would like to create separate tracks from the same input = in a home studio. =A0Does not need to be used live, but needs to be really = easy to set up and dump into Audacity. =A0Thanks! =A0I use a Boomerang live= and have Loopy HD. =A0I love Loopy, but don't know how to take exporte= d loops an then multiply them.

Can I copy paste a loop right in Audacity and sync tracks ea= sily???


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Mike Fugazzi
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Thanks, I just ordered one. $49.00 is a g= reat price. 'Hope it performs better than the Tascam DR-2D I recently parte= d with (for some reason, this unit required way too much fooling around to = get a good recording signal). I bought the DR-2D as a backup, in case I did= n't feel like setting up for recording with my main unit, but still wanted = to capture whatever I ended up playing as often times, those moments are so= me of the best. I hope this PR-10 does the trick. I previously had a Zoom p= ortable and it rocked.
 
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From:= michael klobuchar <nemoguitt@aol.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com <= BR>Sent: Wednesday, August = 1, 2012 11:07 AM
Subject: a gear headsup.....

SWEETW= ATER is blowing out the TASCAM PR-10 handheld portable SD recorder for $49.= 00 including shipping.....=20

i know nothing ab= out this unit but the price sure is right.....just thought some of ynz woul= d like to know.....carry on!


= ---2000846661-761150505-1343834578=:69941-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 15:30:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62A65183475; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:30:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=0WBa9b3tXOxUx/UZm/Irr6sudjYyFTz4F3XLP28Iksw=; b=goNYzxIAmusfe7nLllRiYRTdKuUTZeQ7FXvveHquPI1SDaR+74aVFGrc5Dv+kXckK2 aMqpOSRsesKRHAynAw7J2/aIqsHBFmRrK5xO8bFrG04UzfwGznLMC/oH6sZkxs9hJ8Jh JZKwZtvjpDW/6rH66n5ciqw7xb/aQwa1JCQj6AFKdoDmz2ge3L3g3Y9OWZ6QKE/DruRB yrzenCTUVWFAOveysa0Yz2ObtCLSYOf7lfk9fsYFRHjYlFqefF8rAx28Gees5t+wD/rC agKz4Dy7ivOxYoqnB+5cJR26DSOIForFzlA2dXy3ihSB2gzQD/k+vUN6d4JyZAoA2ui/ DirQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 08:30:18 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Multitrack computer looping? From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444ed5fe4fddd04c635f8df Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:30:19 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0444ed5fe4fddd04c635f8df Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What do you mean by the same input? On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: > Suggestions? I would like to create separate tracks from the same input > in a home studio. Does not need to be used live, but needs to be really > easy to set up and dump into Audacity. Thanks! I use a Boomerang live and > have Loopy HD. I love Loopy, but don't know how to take exported loops an > then multiply them. > > Can I copy paste a loop right in Audacity and sync tracks easily??? > > > -- > ---------- > Mike Fugazzi > vocals/harmonica > http://www.mikefugazzi.com > Facebook > YouTube > Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas > > > -- http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238 http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27 https://twitter.com/K3Z_Art www.soundcloud.com/k3z --f46d0444ed5fe4fddd04c635f8df Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What do you mean by the same input?


O= n Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Suggestions? =A0I would like to create separ= ate tracks from the same input in a home studio. =A0Does not need to be use= d live, but needs to be really easy to set up and dump into Audacity. =A0Th= anks! =A0I use a Boomerang live and have Loopy HD. =A0I love Loopy, but don= 't know how to take exported loops an then multiply them.

Can I copy paste a loop right in Audacity and sync tracks ea= sily???<= /span>


--
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Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Face= book
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas




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http://www.youtube.com= /user/gumdrops27

https://twitt= er.com/K3Z_Art

www.soundcloud.com/k3z

--f46d0444ed5fe4fddd04c635f8df-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 15:36:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06C36183473; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:36:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=fh0E1ndWBRYuuxolWD7S/NCEn0sOVwpVcP6K/k8xgzo=; b=LNfkBbwrBD5hEk+pn2Ijq16+vGN9JlGmpD+6bkW/BmLi+GcyzvrT34/pFwEtL56wFx YVLqCJChEQQpermze9QzITrLfGTkTKwNZhk6SjMeoejRauXwQ2OlF7J8zYjjmUQ5kTsH 3U0z+Ogope048vgdAHm4NgoGHFrPjNR65XFp6l4LxgY6j3mUIq1/gSGUCieGKRA+4Ay3 5c0FshDmM/QFVRXMWEnFPxJnu11gQLrV9WrOftS/96O780fW52d4lSY6GRq70B5wD6/y xaJE0fOUB3tnrj7bwOXTK6llM3XNJqrUjzE3bYZ+qF/8unkPXPy3CQUxpg6boOoqPhm8 Fv5g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:36:50 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Multitrack computer looping? From: Mike Fugazzi To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0023543336c6440aa704c63610bd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:36:50 +0000 (UTC) --0023543336c6440aa704c63610bd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I do everything into the same mic that then goes into my pedal board. For studio recording, I'd like each loop on a separate track in order to mix and master. Basically, I need to know how to use my iPad or computer to take several phrases on separate tracks and line them up and repeat them. For example... Track one could be a one bar beatbox track Track two could be a two bar bass track Track three a rhythm track Live, the Boomerang works great, but everything is a single line out. In studio, I'd like the opportunity to clean up tracks individually. On Wednesday, August 1, 2012, kay'lon rushing wrote: > What do you mean by the same input? > > > On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Mike Fugazzi > > wrote: > >> Suggestions? I would like to create separate tracks from the same input >> in a home studio. Does not need to be used live, but needs to be really >> easy to set up and dump into Audacity. Thanks! I use a Boomerang live and >> have Loopy HD. I love Loopy, but don't know how to take exported loops an >> then multiply them. >> >> Can I copy paste a loop right in Audacity and sync tracks easily??? >> >> >> -- >> ---------- >> Mike Fugazzi >> vocals/harmonica >> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >> Facebook >> YouTube >> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >> >> >> > > > -- > http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238 > > http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27 > > https://twitter.com/K3Z_Art > > www.soundcloud.com/k3z > > -- ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas --0023543336c6440aa704c63610bd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I do everything into the same mic that then goes into my pedal board. =A0Fo= r studio recording, I'd like each loop on a separate track in order to = mix and master.

Basically, I need to know how to use my = iPad or computer to take several phrases on separate tracks and line them u= p and repeat them.

For example...

Track one could= be a one bar beatbox track

Track two could be a t= wo bar bass track

Track three a rhythm track


Live, the Boomerang works great, but eve= rything is a single line out. =A0In studio, I'd like the opportunity to= clean up tracks individually.

On Wednesday, August 1, = 2012, kay'lon rushing wrote:
What do you mean by the same input?

<= br>
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Mike Fugazzi = <mikefugazzi@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
Suggestions? =A0I would like to create separ= ate tracks from the same input in a home studio. =A0Does not need to be use= d live, but needs to be really easy to set up and dump into Audacity. =A0Th= anks! =A0I use a Boomerang live and have Loopy HD. =A0I love Loopy, but don= 't know how to take exported loops an then multiply them.

Can I copy paste a loop right in Audacity and sync tracks ea= sily???


--
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Face= book
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas




--
ht= tp://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238

http://www.youtube.com= /user/gumdrops27

https://twitt= er.com/K3Z_Art

www.soundcloud.com/k3z



--
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Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harm= onica
http://ww= w.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas

--0023543336c6440aa704c63610bd-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 15:39:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 059D9183463; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:39:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ZJSghp/3+G9+/W7G7FOySXZY/3tr1/HbWvMToitg5WA=; b=wQNG73gc4BlEoaP1jJAl3uJGqfWFLgSw6j9vQ4yOekeW4dlOHPMDSNMdT0eHgqkbpZ FOxMBlZCVVkqjxLXHA0EVPqGJkQUd4yJR9KdR5uSiKOekg0Tq+48+IdiTfGWSXgLTjAo y529N0JKmeTqhQVYneMiokjrEav3pcVYAElRKGCbKX4L5IB1bFa/uc7zttEhIntpwSEw 9zRcGbgqrY0VqWmbRvU98LfIFd+2V64kGGA/WRY+QTgUJmrYEiffBJT3ISMGepZVyMcX E9TN4uIze5q9/oiDce9tXKLpu5upZi5K3pXuKJQXVx+X3u+OC4ziSWu5MWsPIFhQSC+R 3YGw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:39:06 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Multitrack computer looping? From: Mike Fugazzi To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=485b397dd5b369f9c704c6361820 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:39:07 +0000 (UTC) --485b397dd5b369f9c704c6361820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 http://soundcloud.com/mike-fugazzi/carolina-blues-rough Here is where I am at now. The beatbox, rhythm harp and bass singing are all one track, so it is all or nothing. The vocals, fills, and leads are separate live takes without looping. I want to do a song like this, but have separate tracks for beatbox, bass, and rhythm....but looped and not overdubbed. On Wednesday, August 1, 2012, Mike Fugazzi wrote: > I do everything into the same mic that then goes into my pedal board. For > studio recording, I'd like each loop on a separate track in order to mix > and master. > > Basically, I need to know how to use my iPad or computer to take several > phrases on separate tracks and line them up and repeat them. > > For example... > > Track one could be a one bar beatbox track > > Track two could be a two bar bass track > > Track three a rhythm track > > > Live, the Boomerang works great, but everything is a single line out. In > studio, I'd like the opportunity to clean up tracks individually. > > On Wednesday, August 1, 2012, kay'lon rushing wrote: > >> What do you mean by the same input? >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: >> >>> Suggestions? I would like to create separate tracks from the same input >>> in a home studio. Does not need to be used live, but needs to be really >>> easy to set up and dump into Audacity. Thanks! I use a Boomerang live and >>> have Loopy HD. I love Loopy, but don't know how to take exported loops an >>> then multiply them. >>> >>> Can I copy paste a loop right in Audacity and sync tracks easily??? >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ---------- >>> Mike Fugazzi >>> vocals/harmonica >>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >>> Facebook >>> YouTube >>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238 >> >> http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27 >> >> https://twitter.com/K3Z_Art >> >> www.soundcloud.com/k3z >> >> > > -- > ---------- > Mike Fugazzi > vocals/harmonica > http://www.mikefugazzi.com > Facebook > YouTube > Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas > > > -- ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas --485b397dd5b369f9c704c6361820 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
htt= p://soundcloud.com/mike-fugazzi/carolina-blues-rough

Here is where I am at now. =A0The beatbox, rhythm harp and bass singing ar= e all one track, so it is all or nothing. =A0The vocals, fills, and leads a= re separate live takes without looping. =A0I want to do a song like this, b= ut have separate tracks for beatbox, bass, and rhythm....but looped and not= overdubbed.

On Wednesday, August 1, 2012, Mike Fugazzi wrote:
=
I do everything into the same mic that then = goes into my pedal board. =A0For studio recording, I'd like each loop o= n a separate track in order to mix and master.

Basically, I need to know how to use my iPad or computer to = take several phrases on separate tracks and line them up and repeat them.

For example...

Track one could= be a one bar beatbox track

Track two could be a t= wo bar bass track

Track three a rhythm track


Live, the Boomerang works great, but eve= rything is a single line out. =A0In studio, I'd like the opportunity to= clean up tracks individually.

On Wednesday, August 1, = 2012, kay'lon rushing wrote:
What do you mean by the same input?

<= br>
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Mike Fugazzi = <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Suggestions? =A0I would like to create separ= ate tracks from the same input in a home studio. =A0Does not need to be use= d live, but needs to be really easy to set up and dump into Audacity. =A0Th= anks! =A0I use a Boomerang live and have Loopy HD. =A0I love Loopy, but don= 't know how to take exported loops an then multiply them.

Can I copy paste a loop right in Audacity and sync tracks ea= sily???


--
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Face= book
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas




--
ht= tp://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238

http://www.youtube.com= /user/gumdrops27

https://twitt= er.com/K3Z_Art

www.soundcloud.com/k3z



--
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harm= onica
http://ww= w.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



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http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas

--485b397dd5b369f9c704c6361820-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 15:41:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E417D183477; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:41:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=bE0HrROhLijLBE05W4WJstqTxsRBaHsMwOW10ONx7tg=; b=YOleqvPjxY/zTtJuIpNHjIYq7QfBWgZllZ7ChG9hrBJyAYbVZoS46teaiTAGcvw+1a jYTZlmbU77z5EsMek38ER32cVIaNOpPNkA8NTi2sbqbESdEo3zYFKeNiVsPOL7SdLK+2 PfIV8w+sqnUe93n+9NFSV8xlrMwSDslh/YJn1yJQjb+e9Z7SlMEZWskYr7Ix9ZQusX4u qHFnaGINVAH90mF0TYAagFILTG4zYcB/McJ/DEhmDPoA6XJungt1Jr1hAQe4VSyk+Xjs OG16Zd0UWDXUFCNyBUx/4lDc75zLxuizvrYqtBK/uwAj23RN6OAuWhSQPVNzu7/YNK2d 7HGQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 08:41:04 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Multitrack computer looping? From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043891ad6f42af04c6361fcb Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:41:05 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043891ad6f42af04c6361fcb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On mobius you can do something like that. It has 8 seperate tracks that you can record in to. I do multitrack looping but with synths and vst's instead of real audio. You can see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__aRoZ_6JkE&list=UUUFLTkt0Psujhz7lliVSYVw&index=1&feature=plcp Each instrument I play is on it's own track that way I can have them all Pre- EQ'd and control the volumes of them individually. On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: > I do everything into the same mic that then goes into my pedal board. For > studio recording, I'd like each loop on a separate track in order to mix > and master. > > Basically, I need to know how to use my iPad or computer to take several > phrases on separate tracks and line them up and repeat them. > > For example... > > Track one could be a one bar beatbox track > > Track two could be a two bar bass track > > Track three a rhythm track > > > Live, the Boomerang works great, but everything is a single line out. In > studio, I'd like the opportunity to clean up tracks individually. > > > On Wednesday, August 1, 2012, kay'lon rushing wrote: > >> What do you mean by the same input? >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: >> >>> Suggestions? I would like to create separate tracks from the same input >>> in a home studio. Does not need to be used live, but needs to be really >>> easy to set up and dump into Audacity. Thanks! I use a Boomerang live and >>> have Loopy HD. I love Loopy, but don't know how to take exported loops an >>> then multiply them. >>> >>> Can I copy paste a loop right in Audacity and sync tracks easily??? >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ---------- >>> Mike Fugazzi >>> vocals/harmonica >>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >>> Facebook >>> YouTube >>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238 >> >> http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27 >> >> https://twitter.com/K3Z_Art >> >> www.soundcloud.com/k3z >> >> > > -- > ---------- > Mike Fugazzi > vocals/harmonica > http://www.mikefugazzi.com > Facebook > YouTube > Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas > > > -- http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238 http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27 https://twitter.com/K3Z_Art www.soundcloud.com/k3z --f46d043891ad6f42af04c6361fcb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On mobius you can do something like that. It has 8 seperate tracks that you= can record in to. I do multitrack looping but with synths and vst's in= stead of real audio. You can see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D__aRoZ_6JkE&list=3DUU= UFLTkt0Psujhz7lliVSYVw&index=3D1&feature=3Dplcp

Each instrument I play is on it's own track that way I can have the= m all Pre- EQ'd and control the volumes of them individually.

<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
I do everything into the same mic that then = goes into my pedal board. =A0For studio recording, I'd like each loop o= n a separate track in order to mix and master.

Basically, I need to know how to use my iPad or computer to = take several phrases on separate tracks and line them up and repeat them.

For example...

Track one could= be a one bar beatbox track

Track two could be a t= wo bar bass track

Track three a rhythm track


Live, the Boomerang works great, but eve= rything is a single line out. =A0In studio, I'd like the opportunity to= clean up tracks individually.


On Wednesday, August 1, 2012, kay'lon rushing wrote:
What do you mean by the same input?

<= br>
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Mike Fugazzi = <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Suggestions? =A0I would like to create separ= ate tracks from the same input in a home studio. =A0Does not need to be use= d live, but needs to be really easy to set up and dump into Audacity. =A0Th= anks! =A0I use a Boomerang live and have Loopy HD. =A0I love Loopy, but don= 't know how to take exported loops an then multiply them.

Can I copy paste a loop right in Audacity and sync tracks ea= sily???


--
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Face= book
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas




--
ht= tp://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238

http://www.youtube.com= /user/gumdrops27

https://twitt= er.com/K3Z_Art

www.soundcloud.com/k3z


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vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.comFa= cebook
YouTu= be
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--f46d043891ad6f42af04c6361fcb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 15:42:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C783318347F; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:42:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=GNAKmunwN3aj9hk6oXcO4DSPeohMPLosAOTyhEMA7/w=; b=mIp+BeZLXQErGZuRttbgNnSqGjfg0rgoh12AlVXZD/Bhv88PU6vAhuvlNy623Swjzx 1ydrZp+Ob6BMIlFXA06MVH6E4hbsD4anw8UabG7I9drB9BNQ8cuqG0hMxsWOjOA5bDuo c+mQ9WBPApgBXjQTh0OgiX6CK37x5sE/CN0bRn9ohX2XPw6/iLb6p0orCjmiTngvbne1 4YmRPd7SS3IgWaDn6XJS+K5KdWIdgdG8H1wvEd2wi0RIRh+eHY073D4xFsDiMUbt+AyL poMig/cYgRhcu417s2EvBipZO85AZcwrXGcEeKUny5JyPVbZbMCPMAO4XeBa4jKZlls5 p6lA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 08:42:10 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Multitrack computer looping? From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444ed5f5a612c04c636230f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:42:11 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0444ed5f5a612c04c636230f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You've got some talent! On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 8:41 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > On mobius you can do something like that. It has 8 seperate tracks that > you can record in to. I do multitrack looping but with synths and vst's > instead of real audio. You can see here: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__aRoZ_6JkE&list=UUUFLTkt0Psujhz7lliVSYVw&index=1&feature=plcp > > Each instrument I play is on it's own track that way I can have them all > Pre- EQ'd and control the volumes of them individually. > > On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: > >> I do everything into the same mic that then goes into my pedal board. >> For studio recording, I'd like each loop on a separate track in order to >> mix and master. >> >> Basically, I need to know how to use my iPad or computer to take several >> phrases on separate tracks and line them up and repeat them. >> >> For example... >> >> Track one could be a one bar beatbox track >> >> Track two could be a two bar bass track >> >> Track three a rhythm track >> >> >> Live, the Boomerang works great, but everything is a single line out. In >> studio, I'd like the opportunity to clean up tracks individually. >> >> >> On Wednesday, August 1, 2012, kay'lon rushing wrote: >> >>> What do you mean by the same input? >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: >>> >>>> Suggestions? I would like to create separate tracks from the same >>>> input in a home studio. Does not need to be used live, but needs to be >>>> really easy to set up and dump into Audacity. Thanks! I use a Boomerang >>>> live and have Loopy HD. I love Loopy, but don't know how to take exported >>>> loops an then multiply them. >>>> >>>> Can I copy paste a loop right in Audacity and sync tracks easily??? >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ---------- >>>> Mike Fugazzi >>>> vocals/harmonica >>>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >>>> Facebook >>>> YouTube >>>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238 >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27 >>> >>> https://twitter.com/K3Z_Art >>> >>> www.soundcloud.com/k3z >>> >>> >> >> -- >> ---------- >> Mike Fugazzi >> vocals/harmonica >> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >> Facebook >> YouTube >> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >> >> >> > > > -- > http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238 > > http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27 > > https://twitter.com/K3Z_Art > > www.soundcloud.com/k3z > > -- http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238 http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27 https://twitter.com/K3Z_Art www.soundcloud.com/k3z --f46d0444ed5f5a612c04c636230f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You've got some talent!

On Wed, Aug 1= , 2012 at 8:41 AM, kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wro= te:
On mobius you can do something like that. It= has 8 seperate tracks that you can record in to. I do multitrack looping b= ut with synths and vst's instead of real audio. You can see here: https://ww= w.youtube.com/watch?v=3D__aRoZ_6JkE&list=3DUUUFLTkt0Psujhz7lliVSYVw&= ;index=3D1&feature=3Dplcp

Each instrument I play is on it's own track that way I can have the= m all Pre- EQ'd and control the volumes of them individually.

On Wed, A= ug 1, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
I do everything into the same mic that then = goes into my pedal board. =A0For studio recording, I'd like each loop o= n a separate track in order to mix and master.

Basically, I need to know how to use my iPad or computer to = take several phrases on separate tracks and line them up and repeat them.

For example...

Track one could= be a one bar beatbox track

Track two could be a t= wo bar bass track

Track three a rhythm track


Live, the Boomerang works great, but eve= rything is a single line out. =A0In studio, I'd like the opportunity to= clean up tracks individually.


On Wednesday, August 1, 2012, kay'lon rushing wrote:
What do you mean by the same input?

<= br>
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Mike Fugazzi = <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Suggestions? =A0I would like to create separ= ate tracks from the same input in a home studio. =A0Does not need to be use= d live, but needs to be really easy to set up and dump into Audacity. =A0Th= anks! =A0I use a Boomerang live and have Loopy HD. =A0I love Loopy, but don= 't know how to take exported loops an then multiply them.

Can I copy paste a loop right in Audacity and sync tracks ea= sily???


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--f46d0444ed5f5a612c04c636230f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 15:55:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A450B183491; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:55:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=1Je/btwtIlqxWapYceElVaiVrR6g+V4Fe4MAnvaA95s=; b=UJ1IfgQsGWmGaWmdhYpIWTGgFul6H28vDDIMtC3EacqU60yCn9deE/DGYwWSsiOF4V 1c2KoDFwz+Mkz+b1p+RF/HIAY2JaAuoP8oqaX618Dtc7uBksnwp+EfzDc/PiUyVJYWG7 FUDVKjdp14Wi9Bz09HKuLvRsFDaflbq8JzPoMzIQlvxpiDxNsZn8EABzdeV4bU2aQh4O vPbSh73nv7uz1TRy+/MKdlm1jbf4gIvMCosw+HbyMhnSLD7dR6QoDUUDiKZ9JIlQVB5S i5pJank8O57AQC2wZ66QC/lKISghDfsQgRewsOX9Da2Qsvu8qm88ZthbZGwyniml3Y6X 7UKg== Subject: Other great e-mail lists? From: Torben Scharling Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-844CB0C5-4FCF-41A4-9A27-12ED78A0D678 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) Message-Id: <56C49DEF-F441-48B0-8444-9B32C20C6E6A@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 17:58:17 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:55:28 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-844CB0C5-4FCF-41A4-9A27-12ED78A0D678 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey fellow loopers! I am loving this list, check it daily. This is the only e-mail list I am usi= ng however, and the whole forum thing just seems more cumbersome to me as a r= esult. So what lists are you using regularly, and why?=20 (let's make this thread general, not only music related) torbenscharling.com --Apple-Mail-844CB0C5-4FCF-41A4-9A27-12ED78A0D678 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Hey fellow loopers!

I am loving this list, check it daily. This is the only e-mail list I am using however, and the whole forum thing just seems more cumbersome to me as a result. So what lists are you using regularly, and why? 

(let's make this thread general, not only music related)



torbenscharling.com
--Apple-Mail-844CB0C5-4FCF-41A4-9A27-12ED78A0D678-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 17:09:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B59EB183476; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 17:09:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Pf0pP7ZFx0+BdL7UlLOWjBPzGbQ9vRGP0oCc6rjOnDA=; b=HbeGTiE3y4hCmURUiqvkhrT40MJ3jU3xxLnKYaujZ8pPsgyboh6VATpuFI2dLu1HJk gVzSa7VfBxmOV3BxSRYJAu6Op0Yp/jFJ6V9xkPzJY6nQWlEpExODMhlN9n7QrgoFNlx3 df71Pk4QKL8Aktf5biOZ6eqzomJS/q8hZRnK8ke+VX+1Y6w4uEYy/MantfTBglCSg0qd c7wu3hvD8pIZSDSYTS2Oo4tySYgt4zh6U2n9tMOvtQfk8P7w2o4brv0DcH7VSEb44URM BftXyfBBp6jyrf0bJAp1c93FJpRbnY1ISM0YLxZmIFlu06x/J8CSyeC/6jthD2uqoTsT +KZg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56C49DEF-F441-48B0-8444-9B32C20C6E6A@gmail.com> References: <56C49DEF-F441-48B0-8444-9B32C20C6E6A@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:09:03 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Other great e-mail lists? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 17:09:04 +0000 (UTC) HI Torben, I'm subscribing to lists on any topic that interests me. It's just so fun when you have gmail to filter and sort messages. Below is a listing of mine. As you may discover some lists are not active anymore ;-) But just as much as I like mailing lists I do like a good RSS reader. I use Bloglines for that, in the browser, and this is good for reading news on sites where images are part of the articles and discussion happen in the comment fields below each article. My RSS listing at the very bottom. (through Google:) electrorganic: Electrorganic Instruments. Looper's Delight Off Topic: Mailing list for the "off-topic" discussions of the members of the Looper's Delight list (i.e. mails not related to looping music and instruments)... UILIST: Meeting place for users of U&I Software applications such as MetaSynth, ArtMatic, ArtMatic Voyager, Videodelic, VTrack and others. FeedBurner Help Group (7 subgroups): The official discussion site for all things FeedBurner! (through Yahoo:) 16tone AkaiEWI cambridgeloopfest Chain-Tape-Collec... dosegj exs-users GORDIUS kyberloopfest logic-ot logic-users LoopMusic moogmodularv music-producers numer-pub rocketears siderial softstep spectrasonics zonemobius List of RSS feeds I find interesting: unFretted Community Calendar Circular Labs Forums Amigos de Cabo Verde The Cynical Musician Bloglines | News New Devices (Max for Live community patch sharing) Updated Devices Create Digital Music Songbirdnest.com - Songbird Media Player About Digital Music New Music Strategies Film Music Magazine MacRumors : Mac News and Rumors(1) Buzzsonic.com Music Thing Zen Habits SCOREcast Online Digital Music News: Insider Blogs Aaron Swartz The Digital Music Weblog DigitalBurn.org AdSense for Feeds Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Torben Scharling wrote: > Hey fellow loopers! > > I am loving this list, check it daily. This is the only e-mail list I am > using however, and the whole forum thing just seems more cumbersome to me as > a result. So what lists are you using regularly, and why? > > (let's make this thread general, not only music related) > > > > torbenscharling.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 17:27:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9B7C183474; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 17:27:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Mbm9Az3G99GC6Lj37GYuZNjqz7ZRgjsLTrDfS4IylDA=; b=SgflDwMe+bJl9jVmy1k12XoXfjHWFzoOAB18m2s7Nada+UD7a5YaDsJm1cFlesu65Y 84eC3YhEeDXb2hjEkCcMhJ0OoIhdVvK6lv2gQD3V1zA8F50hu0/yTMeprbiO+jadPYqg AuofGEqZ7YJePxkigdh/CZF5/tirFLx9QMgjCjENMdm1lU1k3QqaYuG8vEjbiMiWuM0t F0pJB25OScSwfaJMxAqdQDS9eq3N5TtW3FLHMcJky6plIJapfYLy5sC7vBY6rRNxYhew FR/sqH4a5Wo6zpf1LE7UEZCl8iZfVrbKIed+lTuP4aqDNEHrxCyAUhWLx3wWXlDiTtv4 /XoQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:27:47 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Delay VST PlugIn Survey From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <8rb6bD.A.2iE.UcWGQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 17:27:48 +0000 (UTC) I love Audio Damage's Discord3. There are three blocks: pitch shifter to a delay then to a filter. Delay can be fedback into the pitch shifter for extra discordance and there's an LFO to mess things up further. Sylvain On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 7:32 AM, Torben Scharling wrote: > Nice suggestions guys, I'm gonna check them out :) I've always liked > the simple, but lovely sounding Mdsp @ Smartelectronix Analog Delay > that I will use in combination with reverb effects and my looper: > > http://mdsp.smartelectronix.com/analog-delay/ > > Summer Greetings from > torbenscharling.com > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar > Straschill wrote: >> >>> What VST delay plug ins are you using and loving? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 18:05:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AC70183465; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 18:05:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Z5vwSeBaDq5PbMzJaP/33aOvrQJc8FIGeru69cypgg0=; b=n6cLF1b3CPzDIHM8wN+vK0P7HNqe2qncrwnzsdQuOz4Xk4wFBE556+w83Vg0iQ5BFe XJMvQQLaXvRx9+lozxjjhhuGmR2sXR1JqHfi7SgOkzVwSGWwcOq0nKCI2YOi+yNIRmZw 3asSPgVJjVSbe72lfZJl+87twCSk+7JP5zNhZRwxBNLhE6ZnQavswWukuMMO2mBp7SNG 0KrLEaf3wqNMXa9PIfCie8Wp1hxgCiNWOA4+vXF8WPtqN3vE1TkGIFClMzWHm0K6pKx6 Pe+g55zpvpx9G5AI7oWTVAbBLWkeRaBAhA76Unyh2xCTNE6VmiicIJ3F0ac3Qs0mIK2j JtrA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5018B3CA.6090307@cruzio.com> References: <20120731185210.11253.82073.levelstar.mail@everest> <5018B3CA.6090307@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:05:54 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Strategies to Exit Composing and Looping Ruts was, Death to homophonic harmonies! From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4e43d0af6a43f304c6382594 Resent-Message-ID: <12B9NC.A.B4E.EAXGQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 18:05:56 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4e43d0af6a43f304c6382594 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Really good stuff. I ought to work on this for the festival. i have a habit of starting with the drum loop.. On Jul 31, 2012 9:43 PM, "Rick Walker" wrote: > > On 7/31/12 11:52 AM, Tyler wrote: >> >> What do you all do to crack yourselves out of making your old familiar type of >> >music? > > Change direction: > > Write from the percussion/drums up > > .....from the bass line up (or down) > > .....start with a melody and experiment with how to reharmonize it (or add counterpoint) > > ......start with a chord progression and proceed > > ......use an instrument that you have very little to know knowledge of > > ........change your time signature, or if you want to stay in common times, > swing rhythms if you play straight or make your swung rhythms straight > > ........radically change up your tempi.........right much slower than you would normally > or , even harder, much faster > > ........create homophonic loops and then reharmonize them, either with what you play > chordally or what you play in the bass > > .........Paul Simon had a cool strategy he applied to lyric writing that you could also use > to write harmonically or melodically > 1) write a complete cliche and very 'inside' line > 2) alternate that with a line that is very idiosyncratic....perhaps even one that would only > appeal to you.........continue this strategy with a 50%-50% formula........you > will create music that feels very familiar and yet you feel like you've never heard it before. > > ...........look up Brian Eno's Oblique Strategy Cards (available to print out for free on the web) > Shuffle 'em up, draw one and religiously do exactly what it tells you to do. > > > Simplify > > make things much more Complex > > good luck, Rick Walker > > --e0cb4e43d0af6a43f304c6382594 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Really good stuff. I ought to work on this for the festival. i have a ha= bit of starting with the drum loop..
On Jul 31, 2012 9:43 PM, "Rick Walker" <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
>
> On 7/31/12 11:52 AM, Tyler wrote:
>>
>> What do you all do to crack yourselves out of making your old fami= liar type of
>> >music?
>
> Change direction:
>
> Write from the percussion/drums up
>
> .....from the bass line up (or down)
>
> .....start with a melody and experiment with how to reharmonize it (or= add counterpoint)
>
> ......start with a chord progression and proceed
>
> ......use an instrument that you have very little to know knowledge of=
>
> ........change your time signature, =A0or if you want to stay in commo= n times,
> swing rhythms if you play straight or make your swung rhythms straight=
>
> ........radically change up your tempi.........right much slower than = you would normally
> or , even harder, =A0much faster
>
> ........create homophonic loops and then reharmonize them, either with= what you play
> chordally or what you play in the bass
>
> .........Paul Simon had a cool strategy he applied to lyric writing th= at you could also use
> to write harmonically or melodically
> =A0 =A0 =A01) =A0 write a complete cliche and very 'inside' li= ne
> =A0 =A0 =A02) =A0 alternate that with a line that is very idiosyncrati= c....perhaps even one that would only
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0appeal to you.........continue this strategy wi= th a 50%-50% formula........you
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0will create music that feels very familiar and = yet you feel like you've never heard it before.
>
> ...........look up Brian Eno's Oblique Strategy Cards (available t= o print out for free on the web)
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Shuffle 'em up, draw one and religiously do ex= actly what it tells you to do.
>
>
> Simplify
>
> make things much more Complex
>
> good luck, =A0 Rick Walker
>
>

--e0cb4e43d0af6a43f304c6382594-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 20:24:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA8C1183464; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 20:24:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <50199070.9090001@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:24:16 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Per Boysen CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: OT: Advice about Phantom Power and RME FIREFACE UC References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4U_xgD.A.76F.3BZGQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 20:24:23 +0000 (UTC) On 8/1/12 3:21 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 3:27 AM, wrote: >> Are there stereo 48 volt phantom power solutions in the world that are NOT >> connected to microphone PreAmps? > > Yes, there are. On my desk here I'm looking at two "LEEM Phantom Power > Adapter PHW-22". But I agree with Rainer that the box may be corrupt. > Or... if you excuse an indiscrete question; are you sure your enabled > phantom power? The little yellow led should be on when phantom power > for one of the two inputs is active. > > Per Yeah, phantom power lights are on...........the phantom power option is checked in software.......just not working.......damn!!!!! Because several different circumstances, we didn't install the unit until a full year after it was purchased. I'm afraid the warranty is probably over. rick. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 20:37:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58ADF183466; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 20:37:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=T8lVfx2IUPJ0Myx+01uUzhURbrruwqN1k0T1eLPbOcs=; b=C1uVeX1ocp7uBxtELEnblOvHRssQYdRv+M6zMfOAGTszkf9F2IB/Fdb1NcXtHSqK4c MtC4M9KQRHB6t8bppU+KW1Q0JU8Y/0C7ys0nVY/23RI+IhU5t+cvnm9iHDnfqRzTZO+N uXtGUpVwHebLgx3WrZtVtV2OaHUZp4+QdnnIpxcvQNK6C6BhJDJqxK+3ibhH1a346B3K ZjU66IUVLx6bdoJss/nQ+XyD1+2vFDNpLJFinVZO9yr02Xkh+XFyCdHtvpuU6SJ0ENvK pZDEbkQ/RrRA8j/TZaZ4PvFMC7RsbZGySCT1QgcpHY1J0iaZq69nmIMZNhRfu3VsfPeY tx3g== Message-ID: <50199377.3070705@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 22:37:11 +0200 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Advice about Phantom Power and RME FIREFACE UC References: <50199070.9090001@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <50199070.9090001@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 20:37:14 +0000 (UTC) Am 01.08.2012 22:24, schrieb Rick Walker: > Because several different circumstances, we didn't install the unit > until a full year after it was purchased. > I'm afraid the warranty is probably over. You know, this is not something coming from the US backwoods ;). At least, the manual claims this: "The usage of high grade components allows us to offer a full two year warranty. We accept a copy of the sales receipt as valid warranty legitimation." So if you still have that (or registered the device), then you should be out of trouble here... Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 02:16:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84184183463; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 02:16:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5827868411EC46578DF3E5338FC7AF92@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <1343787324.74262.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: My Last UK Show... Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 03:16:39 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01CD705D.3B3968E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 02:16:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CD705D.3B3968E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to everyone on this list who's helped me so much, dragging me = onto the Internet to jam and perform live. I did the last UK Audio = Tarot Bone Throw - losing audio near the end was somehow appropriate. = Have come to not like the EMU 1212M very much at all, and am looking = forward to the laptop nerve center for the rack unit-to-be. All is = being dismantled for the move tomorrow, hopefully the settlement and I = can escape back to the USA. In the meantime please enjoy this latest item, along with the others = done recently. I think the last month has yielded some of the best = shows of the past three years. End Threshold http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/24408664 Revelation Pass http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/24385598 Mystery Devotion http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/24291478 What Is The Death Of Time? http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/24185550 Black, Cat, Dark (Friday the 13th show) http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/23969703 http://www.ustream.tv/channel/audio-tarot-bone-throw Thanks again. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CD705D.3B3968E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks to everyone on this list who's helped me so much, dragging = me onto=20 the Internet to jam and perform live.  I did the last UK Audio = Tarot Bone=20 Throw - losing audio near the end was somehow appropriate.  Have = come to=20 not like the EMU 1212M very much at all, and am looking forward to the = laptop=20 nerve center for the rack unit-to-be.  All is being dismantled for = the move=20 tomorrow, hopefully the settlement and I can escape back to the = USA.
 
In the meantime please enjoy this latest item, along with the = others done=20 recently.  I think the last month has yielded some of the best = shows of the=20 past three years.
 
End Threshold
http://www.ustream.tv/re= corded/24408664
 
Revelation Pass
http://www.ustream.tv/re= corded/24385598
 
Mystery Devotion
http://www.ustream.tv/re= corded/24291478
 
What Is The Death Of Time?
http://www.ustream.tv/re= corded/24185550
 
Black, Cat, Dark (Friday the 13th show)
http://www.ustream.tv/re= corded/23969703
 
http://www.= ustream.tv/channel/audio-tarot-bone-throw
 
Thanks again.
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CD705D.3B3968E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 21:54:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA0E3183466; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 21:54:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <501AF715.8030308@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:54:29 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 21:54:34 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special Focus on The Tangent Project. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Return." Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org on the internet. Note: The WDIY website has changed and the Galactic Travels portion is gone. I am working this issue. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 22:37:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AA2A183464; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 22:37:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3x09@carlsonarts.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 83806.83063.bm@smtp105.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: Rhrbz1gVM1nSAAiGs.AyLzMaI6hyx7R8MEFf_hrn7D6cna5 ZbyrLsSuzKtHb5kj1gvPKrtOmU5y8u.QhcytZkgsmhO_sdr5iZ7IdhU3JscH EN19qtuj5kF_WlkZ2pnf8c0qNxg_dqlo6A5np4PGV16.KtOYsGwLy3FidXBj DIumGY6K1EkQvd7kgkzVqp4t_fXe35MYhffAjpCuyUq5iKZgcXXkcqgeUKrC 1vmtqB5EGVIyJz2TyONlcKA5wczrQhmtDs2JaSxxD.b2OqMKYpy1r1sDU_ob kaX.EPmxLNgJnemrU3hd5ExqnPDS8hjjUIwzAqzNP3sEd5XuFXb9KQGBzqj0 gdAYvvate2JqBfIl4HCLyitnw1h0l6xnmfKahMakulHXpiHID5AqlG0zxvTd 8AuKHG0vWDNMVubD28SCzIzrFgFvEGZwe3MyB1MqpDiQyw8a6MO2PrM1dYk8 WEL7kTCZoW13hZjXSZ1ek0mYmp3EBwLdZJEFz8QcKnTg2gQpv_Sia95kCatw 5cvCAkS3NCBSTQbL9Rtn3yMMAjkqY.YG5t8stTqjQZU9j6VebtWBFGazgoK3 QhYPuXPyLFAW4ot_feyJ1VeHDTty0Q0cADhkBJqHefuDU16Gz5.zaHzKBWSi _hNf1OEPED.KR6p_Z4YosHHloHkBwVFSRYDWnGhIUgf5wo3KnNZONNQLmzvw _ez8Td7Daj7p.pj3P3QbsuP6PjKKk_pqb5x0igRmn8GT_mu2B5eydhCuRAwZ 5YTsNr7lXdhIBx2zpjAty8qkjFa._bT1QoITe0o0X.sd5L4YpWJhNKaBN_qV Xvyrz X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F Subject: Re: iPad for Live Looping? References: From: TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-654045384 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 15:37:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <6PP9BD.A.cdD.-KFHQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 22:37:50 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-654045384 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I use Loopy, and find it rather intuitive. It would be really hard to = do more than 6 looping tracks on my iphone, though. I like that you can = turn on a flashing click so it doesn't add any sound to the loops i = create with the phone's actual mic. =20 You might also check out Voicejam from TC-Helicon. It uses a completely = different sort of interface to create, layer, and mix the loops. =20 I've also been wondering about using an ipad or iphone/iPod Touch to = control my macbook pro using Mobius, which would allow me to have the = power of the macbook and the portability of the touchscreen. But I'm = worried about latency with this sort of setup. On Jul 19, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > There is a -new- Loopy app called Loopy HD that allows 12 loops, = synched or unsynched and has the lowest latency of any audio app I've = measured. >=20 > http://loopyapp.com/features >=20 >> I use a Boomerang III. I love that I can set a master loop and then = create loops around that. For example, I can set a one bar beatbox riff = and then add three other loops of different lengths. Is there something = for iPad that would work similarily? Someone pointed out Loopy as an = app that I might like. >>=20 >> I want to do stuff like this (my rig is a Line 6 M13 into the = Boomerang and then into a Tech 21 Sans amp) live. I thought maybe the = iPad would make a good travel looper or give me "better" = options/flexibility. Thanks! >> ---------- >> Mike Fugazzi >> vocals/harmonica >> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >> Facebook >> YouTube >> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >=20 >=20 > --=20 >=20 > ... > http://www.zmix.net >=20 > http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky >=20 > http://albumcredits.com/zmix --Apple-Mail-2-654045384 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I use Loopy, and find it rather intuitive.  It = would be really hard to do more than 6 looping tracks on my iphone, = though.  I like that you can turn on a flashing click so it doesn't = add any sound to the loops i create with the phone's actual mic. =  

You might also check out Voicejam from = TC-Helicon.  It uses a completely different sort of interface to = create, layer, and mix the loops.  

I've = also been wondering about using an ipad or iphone/iPod Touch to control = my macbook pro using Mobius, which would allow me to have the power of = the macbook and the portability of the touchscreen.  But I'm = worried about latency with this sort of = setup.


On Jul 19, 2012, at 9:06 = AM, Charles Zwicky wrote:

http://loopyapp.com/features

I use a Boomerang III.  I love that I = can set a master loop and then create loops around that.  For = example, I can set a one bar beatbox riff and then add three other loops = of different lengths.  Is there something for iPad that would work = similarily?  Someone pointed out Loopy as an app that I might = like.

I want to do stuff like this (my rig is a Line 6 M13 into = the Boomerang and then into a Tech 21 Sans amp) live.  I thought = maybe the iPad would make a good travel looper or give me "better" = options/flexibility.  Thanks!
----------
Mike = Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTube
Quicksilver = Custom = Harmonicas


--=
=20

= --Apple-Mail-2-654045384-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 22:45:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5305183463; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 22:45:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 00:45:34 +0200 Subject: new iOS based looper To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <72B173CC-895C-464B-82E6-745065DE76DD@zzz.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 22:45:27 +0000 (UTC) Hello all. I know we all are looking for great looping tools for our everyday = creative process. With some friends we decided to go and try designing = one ourselves. And so, just to mention that Apple released our iOS based looper on = their app store today. It's name is Loopr. Forgive the few limitations = and youth problems it may have because it's a v1.0, but we're definitely = going to increase its potential in the near future. Don't hesitate to comment, propose, advise, positively or negatively=85 = we're open to it. For now it's a 4 track looper, but very low-latency, = and designed with an ergonomy that corresponds to what I'm looking for = as a long-time live looper. It's screen controllable, but definitely used to its better extent with = a MIDI adapter and pedalboard. It's MIDI out synchronization is = definitely one of its strength in my opinion. I've just posted a multi-instrument example http://youtu.be/zdwUw0yIgJs = but you'll find all the info and other demo videos on the = http://loopr.net website, watch them before downloading the app as they = should give you better information on wether or not it's that you're = looking for. Hope you'll find this new tool of interest, and of help for your = live-looping experiments, and your pleasure. Cheers, :) z http://zzz.ch http://loopr.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 01:16:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80D2818345E; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 01:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <0A64D7F8-B879-474A-AAC4-49D28DF96957@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Re: OT: Advice about Phantom Power and RME FIREFACE UC Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:15:51 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <9Oe1l.A.YbE.efHHQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 01:16:14 +0000 (UTC) have you tried an non phantom powered cardioid mike or line level device to determine if there might be a connectivity issue at some other point? Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 03:26:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72A71183464; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 03:26:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=XHLt30JjnjmW2fxym9QtVYocrGlEPeOacExCfLCnlQA=; b=TSuE9Abr6hoOXhDFNBK5u5/OTA0glqFGbYU+Q6SzBoxevKZ9kamze9Roe7NbfxgC57 mHxQyB1bxoEZaccoXSZPDMt5xkPX/NR+Mp7in+NInnu5AxnhhtwnWLuerlwy7a4+W+Pg 5ELfz3wHlyvB8MGDAadSJ7KlZ7S9f2xKGJg/cLNH64JF2fUqE/e5FCus3JgSDaKd0ylO /+EME+h/iYRbzLfrQ2qTKbw2Xbhrh3e6TS/w9s4brd7J6qyG89gMM83Eh9ZTLJcmlo8M EZEc5CIdq/QhaDIG+Kj25BM5LF9zofvU4XiZK1ciY74FQbeFsMO9tPNCwnBLzniGKh66 yNmw== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Reverb plugin for mac From: Matthias Grob In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 00:26:27 -0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <129117E4-9335-4B25-AAED-6793BE252D60@gmail.com> References: ,<7A55305150BF9E6EAE16F920@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk>, To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 03:26:32 +0000 (UTC) I use the U-He plugin family because I find Urs Heckmann a smart guy and = his sounds are new to me he has a Ambience one Uhbik-A and I love RaySpace because its so broad, not so much focussed on = "natural" but able to exaggerate in any direction and I use ArtsAcoustic for "normal" stuff in the passed I liked the CSR familiy for the sound but I find the = interface pretty stupid and gave up on them From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 03:46:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99B27183464; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 03:46:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <501C9B23.8060206@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 23:46:43 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Thought Radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 03:46:57 +0000 (UTC) THOUGHT RADIO: http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio ======================================================================= My next stint on Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show, will be Saturday, August 4 at 6 am EDT/GMT-4. In Phase One, I will continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I host the show every other week. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 10:15:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC642183460; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 10:15:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=7hO4iI1OdWa0lkV18CCgEnb17XWo1hdqMDEtuLKjTq0=; b=qZ8cYAXJcnwD7jfqi1yKxcNWjxpGu/Dq+UYJ4HRN1TgtFtOep7hg3We5/VglHfGpVE wLKT6/DP3sHhraVJLhd9BxdfbHlNwfzYmwSmNZVI9rPQ/FI0IX3koXYnyF4NRhFyKNnN 4vPgSlT7QnttoLlEb7cIW0ozkZ6eDgkLF/dLH2Prm5AgEdB/ESjIirXZxu5jbqhx+wbq xFrB6MzzukpvCbJg5qOdRpJQkBNsan4vqhla5ZYf7SdaW3dYrDpJNwSxR7ir4Pzg6Glq bHLnDwFsFtseVo+YcX9U8YiSiVL8sASMgFYusMrXXkXtvpsHruveTyn5o295wkebO7Hb HV6w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:15:54 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Looking for a "swell plugin" - (audio amplitude triggered level attack envelope) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 10:15:55 +0000 (UTC) Anyone know about a good volume envelope plugin? The function we call "swell pedal" in stomp box land. I know this was up three months ago, initiated by Bill Walker, and I then recommended the PSP N2O. But the PSP N2O also has a high-cut filtering and I actually want a plugin in the laptop to replace a volume pedal. I used to rely on the excellent Swell Pedal simulation of IK Multimedias Amplitube 3 but since a couple of months the current Amplitube version is too crashy for serious work. I see IK Multimedia change their business lay-out quite often and put out many different products so I don't trust them anymore. I found a way to set it up in Ableton Live using Max for Live but that forces you to always use Live but that solution wasn't reliable either, and I don't think Live is optimal for the concerts I'm making (I prefer using the application Mainstage). That's why I'm looking for a plugin that can do this. I need the plugin in the AU format. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 11:31:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4848E183461; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 11:31:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0661533610==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120804113105.19361.43134.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 07:31:05 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: How about a live looping festival in Michigan? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 11:31:13 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0661533610== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello!=20The=20city=20where=20I=20live,=20Grand=20Rapids,=20Michigan,=20is= =20a=20growing=20community.=20More=20music=20 festivals,=20comedy=20events,=20etc.=20are=20coming=20to=20Grand=20Rapids.= =20I=20think=20a=20live=20looping=20festival=20should=20be=20 held=20there.=20It=20would=20make=20a=20lot=20more=20people=20aware=20of=20= looping,=20and=20music=20fans,=20not=20just=20musicians,=20will=20be=20 listening=20to=20Chain=20Tape=20Collective=20or=20the=20LD=20artists=20in= =20no=20time! Tyler=20Z --===============0661533610==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 16:45:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6456A183460; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 16:45:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: OT compressor stompbox Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 18:45:39 +0200 Message-ID: <000301cd7260$94f47cd0$bedd7670$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01CD7271.587D4CD0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1yYJRXov1bMsxzTwaqJsK8LlIM5g== Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 16:45:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CD7271.587D4CD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I love compressors for my guitar that let some attack sound through but = then make a loooong linear sustain. 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I love compressors for my guitar that = let some attack sound through but then make a loooong linear sustain. Any recommendations for a = small compressor stomp box that can do that kind of radical = sustain?=C2=A0=C2=A0 = -Michael

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CD7271.587D4CD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 17:03:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 928EE18345C; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 17:03:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: OT compressor stompbox References: <000301cd7260$94f47cd0$bedd7670$@de> From: Mark Hamburg Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-84453473-A807-4546-8F9D-AD2E6C77478D X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: <000301cd7260$94f47cd0$bedd7670$@de> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 10:03:23 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 17:03:28 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-84453473-A807-4546-8F9D-AD2E6C77478D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think the Pigtronix Philosopher's Tone delivers what you are looking for. Mark On Aug 4, 2012, at 9:45 AM, "Michael Peters" wrote: > I love compressors for my guitar that let some attack sound through but th= en make a loooong linear sustain. Any recommendations for a small compressor= stomp box that can do that kind of radical sustain? -Michael > =20 > =20 > =20 --Apple-Mail-84453473-A807-4546-8F9D-AD2E6C77478D Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
I think the Pigtronix Philosopher's Tone delivers what you are looking for.

Mark

On Aug 4, 2012, at 9:45 AM, "Michael Peters" <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:

I love compressors for my guitar that let some attack sound through but then make a loooong linear sustain. Any recommendations for a small compressor stomp box that can do that kind of radical sustain?   -Michael

 

 

 

--Apple-Mail-84453473-A807-4546-8F9D-AD2E6C77478D-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 17:16:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5352183461; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 17:16:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=TBOn7PPYKiZe8AGA+Um8fhmRFZRDTe2+3gfb8qrsvwpXDicDucFgN0fa/PJeuZUA; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000301cd7260$94f47cd0$bedd7670$@de> References: <000301cd7260$94f47cd0$bedd7670$@de> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 13:15:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: OT compressor stompbox Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7962759b778a00e25ebbce255c2c0eca26350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 17:16:09 +0000 (UTC) TC Electronics Sustain + >I love compressors for my guitar that let some attack sound through >but then make a loooong linear sustain. Any recommendations for a >small compressor stomp box that can do that kind of radical sustain? >-Michael > > > -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 17:20:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DCC4183464; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 17:20:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 454 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 17:20:36 UTC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_DE3A65FE-02AD-4BD6-BB76-CEBE0F216A01" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1485\)) Subject: Re: OT compressor stompbox From: Loren Claypool In-Reply-To: <000301cd7260$94f47cd0$bedd7670$@de> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:12:59 -0500 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: References: <000301cd7260$94f47cd0$bedd7670$@de> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1485) X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020201.501D581E.004D,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 17:20:37 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_DE3A65FE-02AD-4BD6-BB76-CEBE0F216A01 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Aug 4, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > I love compressors for my guitar that let some attack sound through = but then make a loooong linear sustain. Any recommendations for a small = compressor stomp box that can do that kind of radical sustain? = -Michael > =20 > =20 Michael, I have three compressors I use, an old MXR Dynacomp, a MIJ Boss = CS-2, and an AnalogMan Bi-Comprossor. The AnalogMan is interesting, it = is a Ross compressor clone on one side and a Dan Armstrong Orange = Squeezer compressor clone on the other! Details on the website at = http://www.analogman.com/rossmod.htm Of course your mileage may vary, but I'm very pleased with the = Bi-Comprossor for both subtle and extreme compression settings.=20 All the best, Loren Claypool genre-indifferent instrumental guitar music www.lorenclaypool.com and links from there --Apple-Mail=_DE3A65FE-02AD-4BD6-BB76-CEBE0F216A01 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
On Aug 4, 2012, at 11:45 = AM, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> = wrote:

I love compressors for my = guitar that let some attack sound through but then make a loooong linear sustain. Any recommendations = for a small compressor stomp box that can do that kind of radical = sustain?   -Michael
 
 


Michael, I have three compressors I use, an old MXR Dynacomp, a MIJ = Boss CS-2, and an AnalogMan Bi-Comprossor. The AnalogMan is interesting, = it is a Ross compressor clone on one side and a Dan Armstrong = Orange Squeezer compressor clone on the other! Details on the website = at http://www.analogman.com/ros= smod.htm

Of course your mileage may vary, but I'm very = pleased with the Bi-Comprossor for both subtle and extreme compression = settings. 

All the best,

genre-indifferent = instrumental guitar music
www.lorenclaypool.com and = links from there


= --Apple-Mail=_DE3A65FE-02AD-4BD6-BB76-CEBE0F216A01-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 18:21:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29E10183460; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 18:21:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <1FC53202-DF60-426E-81C6-CA71493E8FFD@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-38-725033479 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: re: OT compressor stompbox Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 11:20:53 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 18:21:01 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-38-725033479 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I'm correct you are looking for a parallel comp ? these are nice http://www.barberelectronics.com/tonepress.htm the Pigtronix also does blend as does the Carl Martin, which is an excellent unit. If I'm not mistaken there is a barely used barber tone press at the store I work at, if you are interested I'll find out what the guy wants for it. I'm not sure I'd recommend the compressor I use for you , the OWA 1960, as it is more subtle, unless you crank the sustain, and it has no parallel blend capability. Its also hand made and more expensive, but it is a fantastic compressor. Bill --Apple-Mail-38-725033479 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I'm correct you are looking for a parallel comp ?
 these are nice

 the Pigtronix also does blend as does the Carl Martin, which is an excellent unit. If I'm not mistaken there is a barely used barber tone press at the store I work at,  if you are interested I'll find out what the guy wants for it. I'm not sure I'd recommend the compressor   I use for you , the OWA 1960, as it is more subtle,  unless you crank the sustain,  and it has no parallel blend capability. Its also hand made and more expensive, but it is a fantastic compressor.
 Bill
--Apple-Mail-38-725033479-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 18:35:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B462183463; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 18:35:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5F096573-424B-4B18-8FB0-59F5AC548F1D@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-39-725886688 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: RE:Looking for a "swell plugin" - (audio amplitude triggered level attack envelope) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 11:35:06 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 18:35:13 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-39-725886688 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This seems to have the Auto-Volume Echo effect that I have come to rely on, one can turn of the delay portion and just use the swell. as much as i diss Line 6 for their cheap build and crappy switches, they do this effect better than anyone i've found, even using the modifiers and envelopes on my TC fireworx won't do this effect as musically, as a DL-4 or M series effect or this plug-in. Bill http://line6.com/echofarm/index.html --Apple-Mail-39-725886688 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   This seems to have the Auto-Volume Echo effect that I have come to rely on, one can turn of the delay portion and just use the swell. as much as i diss Line 6 for their cheap build and crappy switches, they do this effect better than anyone i've found, even using the modifiers and envelopes on my TC fireworx won't do this effect as musically, as a DL-4 or M series effect or this plug-in. --Apple-Mail-39-725886688-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 18:49:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DE51183463; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 18:49:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=Sx6W4enru6IAEwTr/7HLTBH/BAmmN/NxcNr+dOp7CYc=; b=c3FMmg3/UrGymRF+SnEAJr2npwP5Eqz/Hlzs2qVWl/s4MHgA0/oUyp61yIhgJMi1PP QmrG0kwb++r6hCYIn1tJWtjukVrCeUEkGW8RwJNj+swJzTuMc6bykBk9tWKufZJ66jPX OIei9zx28/TyS62vdltWEurZtx6tSbdkZfnCYdH7zAK+jhbP+H0XJ3tIrmv2iymMA6O5 CAIzG7Db+27V9h9JZOn1Xzhl7jj7OfiTO2EwN0UD/hdehewBYhJhkj5MMbS+RYEUkJvP AG+SppApEi/SJNJExfiZ5j9e+Ka0YuzEAphn+duRzLNbTNKoZeVsZwrhyEMvbKZIT/Yr ug3g== From: Phil Clevenger Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-726728874 Subject: Re: Looking for a "swell plugin" - (audio amplitude triggered level attack envelope) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 11:49:08 -0700 In-Reply-To: <5F096573-424B-4B18-8FB0-59F5AC548F1D@baymoon.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <5F096573-424B-4B18-8FB0-59F5AC548F1D@baymoon.com> Message-Id: <70E7B23C-A465-4BC9-A77B-50136A43F700@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 18:49:13 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-726728874 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dude -=20 That's a 495 dollar plugin right there! Holy jebeezus... On Aug 4, 2012, at 11:35 AM, William Walker wrote: > This seems to have the Auto-Volume Echo effect that I have come to = rely on, one can turn of the delay portion and just use the swell. as = much as i diss Line 6 for their cheap build and crappy switches, they do = this effect better than anyone i've found, even using the modifiers and = envelopes on my TC fireworx won't do this effect as musically, as a DL-4 = or M series effect or this plug-in. > Bill http://line6.com/echofarm/index.html --Apple-Mail-2-726728874 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Dude = - 

That's a 495 dollar plugin right = there!

Holy = jebeezus...


On Aug 4, 2012, at = 11:35 AM, William Walker wrote:

  This seems to have = the Auto-Volume Echo effect = that I have come to rely on, one can turn of the delay portion and just = use the swell. as much as i diss Line 6 for their cheap build and crappy = switches, they do this effect better than anyone i've found, even using = the modifiers and envelopes on my TC fireworx won't do this effect as = musically, as a DL-4 or M series effect or this = plug-in.

= --Apple-Mail-2-726728874-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 18:56:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE317183463; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 18:56:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=B7Lhapjo1vKnNOwDgf1LEVHxghwPXd9pQW+exDr1RkY=; b=E5d01pvmIGp1jiiikQ21QgLX+oyozWGGrEXmL7vOEIItq1Fgx+fxPcRieZf2kGvfkJ NDD77Dt8NpZOb5EsmbOX6kBGRrWQMBvS03eIH4zE7v0u2OEqsLA8ELpl7oRd9yLzFq1k mUKgQpPIYnePe4Ex4Ux1BrqzRquZEG0GnL923Cd95ZhABXLy/fWhR5icUIwK1qXXKQIu psx1lg3JE1mlar+LgXNTky8TD8N6snWqeAH7NkLF0FP/U9IvZIWNOPOaf02bmX4ih0BR wPMjgABO4ls9XNBifnhhuu0P4hxXXb1ge31AyR77oXlILX3z6z6kBRuDbUVC2VJ/Uhbf qz2A== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5F096573-424B-4B18-8FB0-59F5AC548F1D@baymoon.com> References: <5F096573-424B-4B18-8FB0-59F5AC548F1D@baymoon.com> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 20:55:59 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looking for a "swell plugin" - (audio amplitude triggered level attack envelope) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 18:56:00 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Bill. Seems to have what I'm looking for but unfortunately only available for Pro Tools TDM system, which mine is not. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 8:35 PM, William Walker wrote: > This seems to have the Auto-Volume Echo effect that I have come to rely > on, one can turn of the delay portion and just use the swell. as much as i > diss Line 6 for their cheap build and crappy switches, they do this effect > better than anyone i've found, even using the modifiers and envelopes on my > TC fireworx won't do this effect as musically, as a DL-4 or M series effect > or this plug-in. > Bill http://line6.com/echofarm/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 18:56:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 991FF183461; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 18:56:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=oBVxgGvhCmBhUzxq6zhBC+6sGbL0c8PHyIvMOXwZvvg=; b=TElcA9BI/62mDNQtjgiJVpGprofXlK77vLCpEen+H9gOPccMAqK4pbNe9YSNFfOrrC jMcnwTxN3mh7kG8eFijsA/XGnRxb6tk7etVWQGbJCusEefiBIAy3e3yiXWZjLUb6TuzT 2xS/LHQHFB/hiQw2PXbhc0mIGbNEEbVZ3+XvHvbhWe9S9KMj5EE4AVIy5N+VlwUHNTor CPIb3F6elsNZXtydJSoIFjW13fNOxh1iAvt8x2QO8Q4sSOzJeZZHsj9sIB5dm1Qd11nb nzAw/nnU9e+ErnSprw54Cg2i6O8cyWVffW4DXGadvjba5Pc0jeDv/W7U/b5mfOgGZBgz lRyw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <70E7B23C-A465-4BC9-A77B-50136A43F700@gmail.com> References: <5F096573-424B-4B18-8FB0-59F5AC548F1D@baymoon.com> <70E7B23C-A465-4BC9-A77B-50136A43F700@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 20:56:50 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looking for a "swell plugin" - (audio amplitude triggered level attack envelope) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <-38dY.A.Z-E.zBXHQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 18:56:51 +0000 (UTC) Yes, Phil. That's Digi's price level. ;-) Per On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > Dude - > > That's a 495 dollar plugin right there! > > Holy jebeezus... > > > On Aug 4, 2012, at 11:35 AM, William Walker wrote: > > This seems to have the Auto-Volume Echo effect that I have come to rely > on, one can turn of the delay portion and just use the swell. as much as i > diss Line 6 for their cheap build and crappy switches, they do this effect > better than anyone i've found, even using the modifiers and envelopes on my > TC fireworx won't do this effect as musically, as a DL-4 or M series effect > or this plug-in. > Bill http://line6.com/echofarm/index.html > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 19:08:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A959183463; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 19:08:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :x-gm-message-state; bh=JIt0lvQ/l6GJgq5BUFIx9gIf92o4nPyB1Lg1Gv/lKL4=; b=PyYuECJnOPgaSH6GDKb1SSsbpBhydWd4cwZr/iZu+qe2mTJ5P12idApZ0u0LIT1Lwz BrR45SVeOjPYSSBb5NH5SL7hKoEsEbOQKU4WoUw0EC7uLQ+W+LlYAIVkBneemtL9iPB5 Ii2hp4Ba0M99Eye1SDaDg8ymSBdIIEdPtp7flcNY/SM3XoXd62BWVObakYU5087Wzzu/ 5irTqF6BZsrYbu1QtK4KFlQ4Kq3pAE+Sj04BHK50Rpcizpg0GLOcrB9HW1XNPxsAOkAc uMkOeDEUTtkQsO7t+zjtQh6E7Dtlq+pHJfHHQQulYjdT2s9fzR8MuYk/K/DJHO8n0aKf 1E/w== Subject: Re: OT compressor stompbox References: <1FC53202-DF60-426E-81C6-CA71493E8FFD@baymoon.com> From: richard sales Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8607286C-00B9-45F5-BFE6-7F4226F428AF X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: <1FC53202-DF60-426E-81C6-CA71493E8FFD@baymoon.com> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:08:42 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlD6RThbtrpODVOyu3yGUb2l6wMHY6tiy87EHNQeuA2wkxzI3tF0ZVAoxtHErFbQVHRJnxR Resent-Message-ID: <-nvF3D.A.FKF.-MXHQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 19:08:46 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8607286C-00B9-45F5-BFE6-7F4226F428AF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've haven't tried out many. I have an old Dynacomp that's good but not whe= n you don't want the clicks of quick attack. An Ibanez in my old UE400 mult= i effects that's cool for some stuff and served me for years. But overall, I= LOVE the Empress Compressor. Parallel compression - you can mix/control th= e amount of compression - which is a really cool effect. You can drive it l= ike a team of horses and it not one of them whinnies. That is, it holds up r= eally well when you slam it. I think it falls into the less affordable cate= gory, though. Richard Sales Sent from my IPad www.glasswing.com On Aug 4, 2012, at 11:20 AM, William Walker wrote: > If I'm correct you are looking for a parallel comp ? > these are nice > http://www.barberelectronics.com/tonepress.htm >=20 > the Pigtronix also does blend as does the Carl Martin, which is an excell= ent unit. If I'm not mistaken there is a barely used barber tone press at th= e store I work at, if you are interested I'll find out what the guy wants f= or it. I'm not sure I'd recommend the compressor I use for you , the OWA 1= 960, as it is more subtle, unless you crank the sustain, and it has no par= allel blend capability. Its also hand made and more expensive, but it is a f= antastic compressor. > Bill --Apple-Mail-8607286C-00B9-45F5-BFE6-7F4226F428AF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
I've haven't tried out man= y.  I have an old Dynacomp that's good but not when you don't want the c= licks of quick attack.  An Ibanez in my old UE400 multi effects that's c= ool for some stuff and served me for years. But overall,  I LOVE the Em= press Compressor.  Parallel compression - you can mix/control the amoun= t of compression - which is a really cool effect.  You can drive it lik= e a team of horses and it not one of them whinnies.  That is, it holds u= p really well when you slam it.  I think it falls into the less afforda= ble category, though.

Richard Sales
Sent from my IPad
<= a href=3D"http://www.glasswing.com">www.glasswing.com


On Aug 4, 2012, at 11:20 AM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:

=
If I'm correct you are looki= ng for a parallel comp ?
 these are nice

 the Pigtronix also does ble= nd as does the Carl Martin, which is an excellent unit. If I'm not mistaken t= here is a barely used barber tone press at the store I work at,  if you= are interested I'll find out what the guy wants for it. I'm not sure I'd re= commend the compressor   I use for you , the OWA 1960, as it i= s more subtle,  unless you crank the sustain,  and it has no paral= lel blend capability. Its also hand made and more expensive, but it is a fan= tastic compressor.
 Bill
= --Apple-Mail-8607286C-00B9-45F5-BFE6-7F4226F428AF-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 20:24:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 380E0183463; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 20:24:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=PUYktsi3GSTu6uI2U9a76ZJJslei8PYpKBgNG2ke0I8=; b=xnjCL6OvKgS8AAZQsyNYgnZZoDkvLo/6Jp3F9hBPRob7uQjuKPjsX5HJ1I4sSfTi8P hpjxHt6rQpJn39qlmsYe8bDjs5RklwU2/hyT6IElBE6SMus1n8qTbo1wlgLfspQ1cPti OINgCPTxWF4awSfIoLMPmjPW4waai/3mnlBPhaX53TnDGA5Sdg3RYzRyI70s2FC+y/LU EE96xu8ADDb1xbCC8UCNGqJen0V2nk+tFkRAe2iEaK/IZ0dR4b7ITLuQVi08ljJgyqYf 1SR62AayGu5liwx1N3ga3escufdm0mLjyWCcqKqSwkvFbDaTRDldtNd+dwuPhoSK0lJJ SPMQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <5F096573-424B-4B18-8FB0-59F5AC548F1D@baymoon.com> <70E7B23C-A465-4BC9-A77B-50136A43F700@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 15:24:18 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looking for a "swell plugin" - (audio amplitude triggered level attack envelope) From: mc kr To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9399c5fe09b6704c6766d1e Resent-Message-ID: <69qC3B.A.ctF.zTYHQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 20:24:19 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9399c5fe09b6704c6766d1e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 why not just do a synced ramp up trem? I run the ramp up into a delay, and it works well both in hardware and software. try sidechained gate + silent drum hit on the 4th beat, it will allow you to hit the note before the first beat but not have any bleed before the trem + delay kick in. On Aug 4, 2012 1:56 PM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > Yes, Phil. That's Digi's price level. ;-) > > Per > > > On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Phil Clevenger > wrote: > > Dude - > > > > That's a 495 dollar plugin right there! > > > > Holy jebeezus... > > > > > > On Aug 4, 2012, at 11:35 AM, William Walker wrote: > > > > This seems to have the Auto-Volume Echo effect that I have come to rely > > on, one can turn of the delay portion and just use the swell. as much as > i > > diss Line 6 for their cheap build and crappy switches, they do this > effect > > better than anyone i've found, even using the modifiers and envelopes on > my > > TC fireworx won't do this effect as musically, as a DL-4 or M series > effect > > or this plug-in. > > Bill http://line6.com/echofarm/index.html > > > > > > --14dae9399c5fe09b6704c6766d1e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

why not just do a synced ramp up trem? I run the ramp up into a delay, a= nd it works well both in hardware and software.

try sidechained gate + silent drum hit on the 4th beat, it will allow yo= u to hit the note before the first beat but not have any bleed before the t= rem + delay kick in.

On Aug 4, 2012 1:56 PM, "Per Boysen" &= lt;perboysen@gmail.com> wrote= :
Yes, Phil. That's Digi's price level. ;-)

Per


On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dude -
>
> That's a 495 dollar plugin right there!
>
> Holy jebeezus...
>
>
> On Aug 4, 2012, at 11:35 AM, William Walker wrote:
>
> =A0 This seems to have the Auto-Volume Echo effect that I have come to= rely
> on, one can turn of the delay portion and just use the swell. as much = as i
> diss Line 6 for their cheap build and crappy switches, they do this ef= fect
> better than anyone i've found, even using the modifiers and envelo= pes on my
> TC fireworx won't do this effect as musically, as a DL-4 or M seri= es effect
> or this plug-in.
> =A0Bill =A0 http://line6.com/echofarm/index.html
>
>

--14dae9399c5fe09b6704c6766d1e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 20:31:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0772F183463; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 20:31:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=Js/dGrxF5/kItYEfdjr0LQTsPf3VMoYdeltfICZTvVE=; b=AlcBfTRwdAWEfcIk/EG2yAFTj3QRnogwESYlw1BcdZTSg0FDLkPQIKMi7teDBhlxZH cJie5S+vY3SfzMOFy/af2qCdpnfc7NzOt8g8eAInrQ+7c/yjn/P6ziD+sh+KLcYrL8CG VARPOhIOnDl3nvATDyFLRCZht4BUhlCMh2+u6/0JDeV255OZwCo/7lyvBC/1UHCPykZc Xid8R7DQlH1WrESTj/d51ylVI3BSMR4FgznWdexIFv2tDYWHTnL5LnKc6wyPggHTsZXx an4b97MAk0tpWylv/0cd+fPm0C2/SukmZeW+Wbgz5ac50ynXzm2DEiojN4G676kk//1u dGCg== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Looking for a "swell plugin" - (audio amplitude triggered level attack envelope) From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 13:30:54 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <560FC7A1-9AD2-41BF-82B5-2CC5EFF2AB0E@gmail.com> References: <5F096573-424B-4B18-8FB0-59F5AC548F1D@baymoon.com> <70E7B23C-A465-4BC9-A77B-50136A43F700@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 20:31:00 +0000 (UTC) Reverb One for a THOUSAND BUCKS !! I guess it's worth that much to somebody, but it's just reverb fer fucks = sake... :) Phil :) On Aug 4, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Yes, Phil. That's Digi's price level. ;-) >=20 > Per >=20 >=20 > On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Phil Clevenger = wrote: >> Dude - >>=20 >> That's a 495 dollar plugin right there! >>=20 >> Holy jebeezus... >>=20 >>=20 >> On Aug 4, 2012, at 11:35 AM, William Walker wrote: >>=20 >> This seems to have the Auto-Volume Echo effect that I have come to = rely >> on, one can turn of the delay portion and just use the swell. as much = as i >> diss Line 6 for their cheap build and crappy switches, they do this = effect >> better than anyone i've found, even using the modifiers and envelopes = on my >> TC fireworx won't do this effect as musically, as a DL-4 or M series = effect >> or this plug-in. >> Bill http://line6.com/echofarm/index.html >>=20 >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 20:34:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67FB2183465; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 20:34:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=0iArxl+ufXIyNuZ6oY1SNynXiZJPeIaPIpmFUWV/o7E=; b=fOk5EMamD+5WUe7Sw9Hse3FfpnYJzR+5jAG85vbqNC/99rdOJ6oobzcV91xLny9Bqr iPgE7i1XF0j7TGoUAKFcE+a4EJzAK8H1j95wOfVurLhAkqhzZS5ZrJkcC6Ag2l6Xs3Re BfJu61y3+QZjdDJwBpvvQNOVkb/emQ20M8NAKR8eCPAlm2EJww5Rsozm1WZ1pcmayJf5 e1HfHzMTniAxv8clrFtRfF8BgE0AyMtD4yjCNABadbZQVRBaXIy9hEBNRe0UEJaT0TFy wZGFHh0iKMIGZALEaT3AGFHc7YjJR5oYsjJRmeufZ67efbF60KX1hiKDVzIz+tIwv7HB gz0w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <5F096573-424B-4B18-8FB0-59F5AC548F1D@baymoon.com> <70E7B23C-A465-4BC9-A77B-50136A43F700@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 22:34:33 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looking for a "swell plugin" - (audio amplitude triggered level attack envelope) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 20:34:34 +0000 (UTC) Marcus, This is for a live input audio stream. Without a crystal ball there's no way to predict *when* audio will come in. So I really need the three parts: an input level detector, an envelope to control data converter and a control data to output level function. Right now I'm trying to build this inside the N2O plugin and it's looking good so far. The Bidule plugin would be another option but I have found that it makes the host app crash now and then, so I'm staying away from that. Per On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 10:24 PM, mc kr wrote: > why not just do a synced ramp up trem? I run the ramp up into a delay, and > it works well both in hardware and software. > > try sidechained gate + silent drum hit on the 4th beat, it will allow you to > hit the note before the first beat but not have any bleed before the trem + > delay kick in. > > On Aug 4, 2012 1:56 PM, "Per Boysen" wrote: >> >> Yes, Phil. That's Digi's price level. ;-) >> >> Per >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Phil Clevenger >> wrote: >> > Dude - >> > >> > That's a 495 dollar plugin right there! >> > >> > Holy jebeezus... >> > >> > >> > On Aug 4, 2012, at 11:35 AM, William Walker wrote: >> > >> > This seems to have the Auto-Volume Echo effect that I have come to >> > rely >> > on, one can turn of the delay portion and just use the swell. as much as >> > i >> > diss Line 6 for their cheap build and crappy switches, they do this >> > effect >> > better than anyone i've found, even using the modifiers and envelopes on >> > my >> > TC fireworx won't do this effect as musically, as a DL-4 or M series >> > effect >> > or this plug-in. >> > Bill http://line6.com/echofarm/index.html >> > >> > >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 20:40:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5122F183461; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 20:40:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1344112800; bh=FdeoJTGDphrrHsGNu400r6YrkbVRvcs7PC8b8jveGl8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:Content-Type:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To:Mime-Version:X-Mailer; b=sPetoZ0ID0P1wFQV2WR2OiM/psfUJ4D1mYeJXigyScmmdosbfB+UiEgPz3s+Daj8ee3jGFORMZZdRgS6ipt0C8C7oyk3ZWW23tymqgb9HIjUBqJ8uA3opBxsRYFXQpC31+w6X7BkVsB66LTIBgDFYRhoRoAS7nVKr10Mk+8BbMw= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 352227.63903.bm@smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: MEtKFTEVM1k18xZKwqqvKK_QXqeY1KSXFFgPIVVMb2.aIuV BG6jgcAgyCgdBLG0ETprKNLSBjp0Mfg1DTclNWOVq2ARf2ACS9DYCFxLSMNb 6MwQTuBW2vK.bgOEkgDvH00o_ETpFAscpfFtbaAQK8EdgmMUJ5krKwlq_9Ij jRMg1svWDgd90qR6EYetcENOG3FlWcRzXHAyxekJ7GZJMrwfd4OkQU3TjrI7 YI2qnShsXFaB3TzO5OobsNzjqhnVa1FVV2iS3QLhqj3UlmD5NOpOX9oqd1s_ pmF.wwlA3TJWsaLI72TL387CabDDAqIKx4ImKibT2RV6Tok08pdUQF7_Y7NZ v0NkNRcQhScz8Zmw0LIuXtVbFSL0dRqpw7FV7tyO28wwcCBEpinPQ5OVnyKo my8gwkA3RO0wcR42wz47hKtGBL84jEB2L..Z3LaoNUK.ACHsFhbhRFweJMHJ 14yIjFSqrIZXIhrkR9XgtpuEhDfzCV5jnNENpfjTdNEbOWih1VRWMiiSwW34 DZOpgWftlmfj6oBwJxF0mpg-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: ILs26NSswBDuK82.iJb8TCN7cubm0SmUbZYidhSBIQ-- From: Laurie Amat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_AAD8A921-2F29-4165-A2A2-90AF2F6CBEA5" Subject: A bit off and a bit on topic Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 13:39:58 -0700 Message-Id: <872DA2FC-8FD2-464C-AEF1-3A222EC312B7@att.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 20:40:01 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_AAD8A921-2F29-4165-A2A2-90AF2F6CBEA5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Everyone,=20 So, I hope you don't mind, but I'm passing on some information regarding = a job I'm on right now, which is selling a studio full of various = equipment for a client. He's moving across the country, so he's getting = rid of most of his stuff. Some of the pieces may be of interest to some = of you. I've put the catalog on Google. As it says in the list, we'll = consider offers.=20 Here is the link: http://bit.ly/NpaGyP =20 If you see something that interests you, drop me a mail. And if you = can't get to list, I'm happy to send them. We're willing to ship in the = United States, and I think we can work out International as well.=20 Thanks for reading. It's a bit 2 fold. There are some cool things I wish = I could afford, and, the sooner I sell this stuff, the sooner I get paid = and can get ready for LoopFest! --Apple-Mail=_AAD8A921-2F29-4165-A2A2-90AF2F6CBEA5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hi = Everyone, 

So, I hope you don't mind, but I'm = passing on some information regarding a job I'm on right now, which is = selling a studio full of various equipment for a client. He's moving = across the country, so he's getting rid of most of his stuff. Some of = the pieces may be of interest to some of you. I've put the catalog on = Google. As it says in the list, we'll consider = offers. 

Here is the link:
If you see something that interests you, drop = me a mail. And if you can't get to list, I'm happy to send them. We're = willing to ship in the United States, and I think we can work out = International as well. 

Thanks for reading. It's a = bit 2 fold. There are some cool things I wish I could afford, and, the = sooner I sell this stuff, the sooner I get paid and can get ready for = LoopFest!

= --Apple-Mail=_AAD8A921-2F29-4165-A2A2-90AF2F6CBEA5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 20:43:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 895BF183460; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 20:43:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=tMKOXild4ApqrXfZcG6IGQ9Rl5TpA8qApj10WJwbztA=; b=fqE4/UGOiYrDgApe2i0RPPhWO2045rnTgcJbeF1drpzTtOL9dBWX0/lCiPhjFGJARg /SIJtIBJtgATcuyu7S/WwdBod3/Iw/20Ls3ncUs4tXTQBwe/KLkYfLFgVJ6Dvl0YmtT3 UWaPv0u5IDUqCOQfm2Xygw3rj6zb6DEsyxdezb4DdXY/y3M6CLUbNbt2Oc9Y9TsI2gnl ex+XCnGTJItPQVNfIk3Nsn3wYH+CcBjuc7q7rRZAuZz0eSGbihRdfsWQS2beITcZhRTF HchzLLy3X+zOpb9d//UB+X47h/6AoZQMdHj8FOIuaF7iJO3BG5kT/Zue9vxl+JAPeoaf 6UrQ== From: Phil Clevenger Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-733578296 Subject: Re: A bit off and a bit on topic Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 13:43:18 -0700 In-Reply-To: <872DA2FC-8FD2-464C-AEF1-3A222EC312B7@att.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <872DA2FC-8FD2-464C-AEF1-3A222EC312B7@att.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 20:43:23 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-733578296 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Need permission? On Aug 4, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Laurie Amat wrote: > Hi Everyone,=20 >=20 > So, I hope you don't mind, but I'm passing on some information = regarding a job I'm on right now, which is selling a studio full of = various equipment for a client. He's moving across the country, so he's = getting rid of most of his stuff. Some of the pieces may be of interest = to some of you. I've put the catalog on Google. As it says in the list, = we'll consider offers.=20 >=20 > Here is the link: > http://bit.ly/NpaGyP =20 >=20 > If you see something that interests you, drop me a mail. And if you = can't get to list, I'm happy to send them. We're willing to ship in the = United States, and I think we can work out International as well.=20 >=20 > Thanks for reading. It's a bit 2 fold. There are some cool things I = wish I could afford, and, the sooner I sell this stuff, the sooner I get = paid and can get ready for LoopFest! >=20 --Apple-Mail-3-733578296 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Need = permission?

On Aug 4, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Laurie Amat = wrote:

Hi = Everyone, 

So, I hope you don't mind, but I'm = passing on some information regarding a job I'm on right now, which is = selling a studio full of various equipment for a client. He's moving = across the country, so he's getting rid of most of his stuff. Some of = the pieces may be of interest to some of you. I've put the catalog on = Google. As it says in the list, we'll consider = offers. 

Here is the link:
If you see something that interests you, drop = me a mail. And if you can't get to list, I'm happy to send them. We're = willing to ship in the United States, and I think we can work out = International as well. 

Thanks for reading. It's a = bit 2 fold. There are some cool things I wish I could afford, and, the = sooner I sell this stuff, the sooner I get paid and can get ready for = LoopFest!
In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 13:44:11 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6519D291-4078-4221-BF86-AE52CD29FCCB@gmail.com> References: <5F096573-424B-4B18-8FB0-59F5AC548F1D@baymoon.com> <70E7B23C-A465-4BC9-A77B-50136A43F700@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 20:44:14 +0000 (UTC) Per, Really love to hear about your results with N2O when you have some = mileage with it :) Phil :) On Aug 4, 2012, at 1:34 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Marcus, >=20 > This is for a live input audio stream. Without a crystal ball there's > no way to predict *when* audio will come in. So I really need the > three parts: an input level detector, an envelope to control data > converter and a control data to output level function. Right now I'm > trying to build this inside the N2O plugin and it's looking good so > far. >=20 > The Bidule plugin would be another option but I have found that it > makes the host app crash now and then, so I'm staying away from that. >=20 > Per >=20 >=20 > On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 10:24 PM, mc kr wrote: >> why not just do a synced ramp up trem? I run the ramp up into a = delay, and >> it works well both in hardware and software. >>=20 >> try sidechained gate + silent drum hit on the 4th beat, it will allow = you to >> hit the note before the first beat but not have any bleed before the = trem + >> delay kick in. >>=20 >> On Aug 4, 2012 1:56 PM, "Per Boysen" wrote: >>>=20 >>> Yes, Phil. That's Digi's price level. ;-) >>>=20 >>> Per >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Phil Clevenger = >>> wrote: >>>> Dude - >>>>=20 >>>> That's a 495 dollar plugin right there! >>>>=20 >>>> Holy jebeezus... >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Aug 4, 2012, at 11:35 AM, William Walker wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> This seems to have the Auto-Volume Echo effect that I have come to >>>> rely >>>> on, one can turn of the delay portion and just use the swell. as = much as >>>> i >>>> diss Line 6 for their cheap build and crappy switches, they do this >>>> effect >>>> better than anyone i've found, even using the modifiers and = envelopes on >>>> my >>>> TC fireworx won't do this effect as musically, as a DL-4 or M = series >>>> effect >>>> or this plug-in. >>>> Bill http://line6.com/echofarm/index.html >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 20:45:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 545FF183462; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 20:45:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=sN3nPrCCXNlK/R+V3iELWAD7+kKpHSFrNbIag8SBdS4=; b=bUtYnQtO2wQa5NETSbfI4/+z2U1RkHng2+3QQ65Bdj0D0mavUhggxzWi5tpsjGx6IG kS0NU/mDyNgzVqz/vTDmAayEBlExk+vkNCAhlFA4hjRwdSbZzIZMlQPFeIlnCvUInTak dCJMk4zq2h44V1X5qxDQPlRl8eb5HM/mFRU0MMfZe1lU4MxdrJjaDCi1Ehrgse22d8h0 z+odAlcBni66WOS+xq54QqqmmgTCPGVX3c/GmXYBfuWn5DDngXYb/tDuy5yw6AocbquE xGdqDZg7LKS1SD3eXAUWDj+rEpbrQKMtqijXIOB8vIJhzaM+qX7xg/vmPIR4MBMDRnwq FfyQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <872DA2FC-8FD2-464C-AEF1-3A222EC312B7@att.net> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 22:45:32 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: A bit off and a bit on topic From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <5ijCsC.A.ZZG.tnYHQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 20:45:33 +0000 (UTC) You can request permission on the same page. Laurie will have a nice long permission giving weekend to enjoy :-) Per On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > Need permission? > > On Aug 4, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Laurie Amat wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > So, I hope you don't mind, but I'm passing on some information regarding a > job I'm on right now, which is selling a studio full of various equipment > for a client. He's moving across the country, so he's getting rid of most of > his stuff. Some of the pieces may be of interest to some of you. I've put > the catalog on Google. As it says in the list, we'll consider offers. > > Here is the link: > http://bit.ly/NpaGyP > > If you see something that interests you, drop me a mail. And if you can't > get to list, I'm happy to send them. We're willing to ship in the United > States, and I think we can work out International as well. > > Thanks for reading. It's a bit 2 fold. There are some cool things I wish I > could afford, and, the sooner I sell this stuff, the sooner I get paid and > can get ready for LoopFest! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 20:58:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2F5F183461; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 20:58:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <20120804183513.D989F183466@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20120804183513.D989F183466@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: re: OT compressor stompbox Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 22:57:49 +0200 Message-ID: <000001cd7283$cef9c4d0$6ced4e70$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01CD7294.928294D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1ycvz+/4vhujnJQniRRh9riBTM5AAEKILA Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 20:58:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CD7294.928294D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BillW wrote, "If I'm not mistaken there is a barely used barber tone = press at the store I work at, if you are interested I'll find out what = the guy wants for it" =20 thanks Bill but I don't think it would go through customs here without = anything added on top :) =20 -mpe ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CD7294.928294D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

BillW wrote, "If I'm not mistaken there = is a barely used barber tone press at the store I work at,  if you = are interested I'll find out what the guy wants for = it"

 

thanks Bill but I don't think it would = go through customs here without anything added on top = :)

 

-mpe

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CD7294.928294D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 21:41:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 481BB183465; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 21:41:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <501D96FB.8060806@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 14:41:15 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Need Sound Engineer for Y2K12 Looping Festival Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 21:41:23 +0000 (UTC) I've just found out that we've lost our sound engineer for this year's live looping festival. I wanted to see if any artists could volunteer to run sound for the three days of the festival. We need someone to either take on the entire responsibility or at least be able to organize who will do the engineering. Both Maha and I can run the board but we've had had a diaspora of volunteers for the festival this year and have to also take on festival coordination, front of house, transportation and other duties. Also, I want to thank Trevor McClain for having done such a truly good job doing the lions share of the sound in the last two years and Daniel Thomas who has donated the Mains, board and lights as well. looking forward to seeing you all at the festival this year. The dates are October 16-23rd with the main festival on the 19-21st. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 22:21:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E864183463; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 22:21:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1495 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 22:21:12 UTC Message-ID: <501D9A82.5080001@soaringspider.com> Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 17:56:18 -0400 From: "D. Webb" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Need Sound Engineer for Y2K12 Looping Festival References: <501D96FB.8060806@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <501D96FB.8060806@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=/9k6ezY5SvtPI0bbB93GwalL7X8PNkvWeNuh1rc22wE= c=1 sm=0 a=DKcI9XZsuF4A:10 a=hKBavYD8qBgA:10 a=FZ_otapW5GwA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=ZlCeZJpGAOlAyPZaqH8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 22:21:13 +0000 (UTC) Where is the festival taking place? ~ SoaringSpider On 8/4/2012 5:41 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > I've just found out that we've lost our sound engineer for this > year's live looping festival. > > I wanted to see if any artists could volunteer to run sound for the > three days of the festival. > > We need someone to either take on the entire responsibility or at least > be able to organize who will do the engineering. > > Both Maha and I can run the board but we've had had a diaspora of > volunteers for the festival this year and have to also take on > festival coordination, front of house, transportation and other duties. > > Also, I want to thank Trevor McClain for having done such a truly > good job > doing the lions share of the sound in the last two years and Daniel > Thomas > who has donated the Mains, board and lights as well. > > looking forward to seeing you all at the festival this year. > > The dates are October 16-23rd with the main festival on the 19-21st. > > yours, Rick Walker > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5176 - Release Date: 08/04/12 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 22:49:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93D3F183461; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 22:49:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 914043.59471.bm@omp1007.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1344120575; bh=5UIPiaoLXY7idnfu57tj3nBWt78JKksj+SmxdNIT45A=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer; b=yQhe7copjISK8Xeq+juMLHRr0gHdHq+ZFXhgWkCIq6Uf4rCS/X/CG73wXNKR8DBcViLc1pSl/7ItVhmGRb1B4x1vSPD46ywoVB1fEkJ337Uv5Cbdov8SPMKf5NugV5wXtB9E1JjrTU2mZFTbkHMrGjcedCGgNN59BJZZ3SJCoLM= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: yq8AuogVM1mj.K5nDmoUzbRk2t_7gZ0ZrlHzD2qns6lRtnZ _MoVhyw6iV1HPJxB4tu5nqKOleqhCVUzjuNwOKU7UlIRkq5RZGllv7wtqc7O KNZp.ZonTy7Q1iNYT6lKOhjW6fUq9Iq5o4hsaUB_._.Qy8Thp7JYwNpCdeo0 EqBfKfMdHZ38S3b8_0suSwlB6vQY9HRAlKYvPeuulY2sC91dFNDogVh56Rwb 2qzFWLTHVUeNWUv0Evcd9wXh_y1YwZK8BYmq6cByapI6pmsPCOWkDHWT1rS3 N_4eTT0cxi67OTJANxJyc7LnRrCID_yX1EVoHjzMOyfhHOrOkV9BMBYsqOAQ G4x9sygXp1hGOVBKCJCRIz2._KUoKQI1zqSgPESP.PFwCiBYuDQ3bTZZtzyv HRY2TTqVQA1.wYAxVCpX6CJxB7Ol7M0dHARylClyNPwpHhw0TPYlraRxbfl4 V5sYA5eLfE6.4QFlqreGPGGGRHN20CB2ssMImZX1QyJkS2rTLM6o14X4- X-Yahoo-SMTP: ILs26NSswBDuK82.iJb8TCN7cubm0SmUbZYidhSBIQ-- From: Laurie Amat Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2420990A-CC76-49F5-9CB1-54308C124EAA" Subject: Re: A bit off and a bit on topic Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 15:49:33 -0700 In-Reply-To: <872DA2FC-8FD2-464C-AEF1-3A222EC312B7@att.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <872DA2FC-8FD2-464C-AEF1-3A222EC312B7@att.net> Message-Id: <6A24F6C1-CD47-4E49-9AD5-4254935968B1@att.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 22:49:37 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_2420990A-CC76-49F5-9CB1-54308C124EAA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Per and Phil, you are very funny! I just don't want the off topic police coming to my house, well, unless = they're coming to have a permission party! And yes, permission all weekend long... On Aug 4, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Laurie Amat wrote: > Hi Everyone,=20 >=20 > So, I hope you don't mind, but I'm passing on some information = regarding a job I'm on right now, which is selling a studio full of = various equipment for a client. He's moving across the country, so he's = getting rid of most of his stuff. Some of the pieces may be of interest = to some of you. I've put the catalog on Google. As it says in the list, = we'll consider offers.=20 >=20 > Here is the link: > http://bit.ly/NpaGyP =20 >=20 > If you see something that interests you, drop me a mail. And if you = can't get to list, I'm happy to send them. We're willing to ship in the = United States, and I think we can work out International as well.=20 >=20 > Thanks for reading. It's a bit 2 fold. There are some cool things I = wish I could afford, and, the sooner I sell this stuff, the sooner I get = paid and can get ready for LoopFest! >=20 --Apple-Mail=_2420990A-CC76-49F5-9CB1-54308C124EAA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Per = and Phil, you are very funny!

I just don't want the = off topic police coming to my house, well, unless they're coming to have = a permission party!

And yes, permission all = weekend long...
On Aug 4, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Laurie Amat = wrote:

Hi = Everyone, 

So, I hope you don't mind, but I'm = passing on some information regarding a job I'm on right now, which is = selling a studio full of various equipment for a client. He's moving = across the country, so he's getting rid of most of his stuff. Some of = the pieces may be of interest to some of you. I've put the catalog on = Google. As it says in the list, we'll consider = offers. 

Here is the link:
If you see something that interests you, drop = me a mail. And if you can't get to list, I'm happy to send them. We're = willing to ship in the United States, and I think we can work out = International as well. 

Thanks for reading. It's a = bit 2 fold. There are some cool things I wish I could afford, and, the = sooner I sell this stuff, the sooner I get paid and can get ready for = LoopFest!
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 22:59:45 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 10:44 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > Really love to hear about your results with N2O when you have some mileage with it :) Hi Phil, I already have some mileages with do N2O, since I've been using it since it's first release. PSP put up some info videos here: http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/multimode_effects/psp_n2o/psp_n2o_video/ I tried to build a virtual swell pedal with N2O but wasn't successful. A similar function can be achieved with a lo pass filter though, if setting the attack to around 600 milliseconds and full sustain. But that can be done too with any filter plugin, like Logic's/Mainstage's own Autofilter or SoundToys' FilterFreak 1. Tonight I saved "Swell" presets for both of these, but opening a low pass filter from zero is not exactly sounding as a doing it with a pure level control. The best virtual swell pedal I know is in Amplitube 3, as I said before. It has the option to set the fade-in attack envelope time range to follow the host's tempo and I usually use it an eighth note or a quarter note. Unfortunately the plugin can not be trusted for stability. Second best virtual swell pedal I know needs to run under Ableton Live, since it is a combination of Max for Live envelop follow device listening to your audio input and controlling the gain parameter in a utility plugin (standard Live plugin). Worst virtual swell pedal I've mocked-up is the Logic's/Mainstage's plugin Enveloper. It is bad because it doesn't allow a volume sweep from zero, as it is rather a tool for shaping the attack of transients in a rhythmic material. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 23:01:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77763183461; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 23:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :x-gm-message-state; bh=cQC18K8RYnZ+bQispSzpL+5aIHSY20D1wgmk7mKu6II=; b=WC5SF9x7F0gcIxGX1KX9/kJWLB3f0Ec7Z2+Q4zbFmfPnDvCxGSHbQAtiBS+lLuMQfx gYuvjvPH1KuB5nWbIQ18QyBo9T74GiDCkEl7ra1XbL/W9OhrLrfM3lckrBSi6+60Jxtb YRoKXF/lUsxyXvikjThH3zkULzwrADxFpRPP+ShEdhWUkJ0IsCpVwKUHkYpQ1dz1m/an h9RIqB+z66I+TPH7855ZWDSMbhVyCNtBXLROzUzZdr/HQ8DWPwHqfN41c11AFOXgKWYQ OkjZHbyBRHz2M1lNc+hQxC3Wa4I/ftCO6gaQmqOxNCyl0KlQ1Iub0np0i2JQduSrHbkT 3Ptg== Subject: Re: A bit off and a bit on topic References: <872DA2FC-8FD2-464C-AEF1-3A222EC312B7@att.net> <6A24F6C1-CD47-4E49-9AD5-4254935968B1@att.net> From: richard sales Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-0BBBCD7F-6979-4E63-8931-DCC2D1D853CC X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: <6A24F6C1-CD47-4E49-9AD5-4254935968B1@att.net> Message-Id: <317CA18E-ED28-4091-981B-7D594051E747@glasswing.com> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 16:01:32 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlAprxTNZ4/YxYJ0ZJ68p4vwU3KeCW3C3LXXgzRPwxSTNUadB0G0kwv36SOpZWf1u/iNfOz Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 23:01:36 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-0BBBCD7F-6979-4E63-8931-DCC2D1D853CC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Two problems: 1.) I don't see request permission on my IPad page 2.) I don't have time to explore google doc's.=20 Can you just send me a list of what's being sold? Richard Sales Sent from my IPad www.glasswing.com On Aug 4, 2012, at 3:49 PM, Laurie Amat wrote: > Per and Phil, you are very funny! >=20 > I just don't want the off topic police coming to my house, well, unless th= ey're coming to have a permission party! >=20 > And yes, permission all weekend long... > On Aug 4, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Laurie Amat wrote: >=20 >> Hi Everyone,=20 >>=20 >> So, I hope you don't mind, but I'm passing on some information regarding a= job I'm on right now, which is selling a studio full of various equipment f= or a client. He's moving across the country, so he's getting rid of most of h= is stuff. Some of the pieces may be of interest to some of you. I've put the= catalog on Google. As it says in the list, we'll consider offers.=20 >>=20 >> Here is the link: >> http://bit.ly/NpaGyP =20 >>=20 >> If you see something that interests you, drop me a mail. And if you can't= get to list, I'm happy to send them. We're willing to ship in the United St= ates, and I think we can work out International as well.=20 >>=20 >> Thanks for reading. It's a bit 2 fold. There are some cool things I wish I= could afford, and, the sooner I sell this stuff, the sooner I get paid and c= an get ready for LoopFest! >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-0BBBCD7F-6979-4E63-8931-DCC2D1D853CC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Two problems:
1.) I don't see request permission on my IPad page
2.= ) I don't have time to explore google doc's. 

= Can you just send me a list of what's being sold?

Richard Sales
S= ent from my IPad


On Aug 4, 2012, at 3:49 PM, Lau= rie Amat <voicesound@att.net>= ; wrote:

Per and Phil= , you are very funny!

I just don't want the off topic pol= ice coming to my house, well, unless they're coming to have a permission par= ty!

And yes, permission all weekend long...
On Aug 4, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Laurie Amat wrote:

= Hi Everyone, 

So, I hope you don't mind, but I'm pas= sing on some information regarding a job I'm on right now, which is selling a= studio full of various equipment for a client. He's moving across the count= ry, so he's getting rid of most of his stuff. Some of the pieces may be of i= nterest to some of you. I've put the catalog on Google. As it says in the li= st, we'll consider offers. 

Here is the link:<= /div>
http://bit.ly/NpaGyP  

If you see s= omething that interests you, drop me a mail. And if you can't get to list, I= 'm happy to send them. We're willing to ship in the United States, and I thi= nk we can work out International as well. 

Thanks for reading. It's a bit 2 fold.= There are some cool things I wish I could afford, and, the sooner I sell th= is stuff, the sooner I get paid and can get ready for LoopFest!


= --Apple-Mail-0BBBCD7F-6979-4E63-8931-DCC2D1D853CC-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 02:49:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEC1E18345A; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 02:49:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 570 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 02:49:53 UTC X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 22:40:12 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: Looking for a "swell plugin" - (audio amplitude triggered level attack envelope) In-Reply-To: References: <5F096573-424B-4B18-8FB0-59F5AC548F1D@baymoon.com> <70E7B23C-A465-4BC9-A77B-50136A43F700@gmail.com> <6519D291-4078-4221-BF86-AE52CD29FCCB@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20120805024022.3DDCD60E1@smtp3.wightman.ca> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 02:49:53 +0000 (UTC) Hey Per, Have you ever tried building something like that in Guitar rig? I have played around with the volume pedal in GR only used the mdf input volume to trigger it instead of a pedal. There are probably other ways to accomplish it better but I've never delved into it enough to figure it out. Paul Haslem, www.dulcify.ca Ontario, Canada At 06:59 PM 8/4/2012, you wrote: >On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 10:44 PM, Phil Clevenger > wrote: > > Really love to hear about your results with N2O when you have > some mileage with it :) > > >Hi Phil, > >I already have some mileages with do N2O, since I've been using it >since it's first release. PSP put up some info videos here: >http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/multimode_effects/psp_n2o/psp_n2o_video/ > >I tried to build a virtual swell pedal with N2O but wasn't successful. >A similar function can be achieved with a lo pass filter though, if >setting the attack to around 600 milliseconds and full sustain. But >that can be done too with any filter plugin, like Logic's/Mainstage's >own Autofilter or SoundToys' FilterFreak 1. Tonight I saved "Swell" >presets for both of these, but opening a low pass filter from zero is >not exactly sounding as a doing it with a pure level control. > >The best virtual swell pedal I know is in Amplitube 3, as I said >before. It has the option to set the fade-in attack envelope time >range to follow the host's tempo and I usually use it an eighth note >or a quarter note. Unfortunately the plugin can not be trusted for >stability. Second best virtual swell pedal I know needs to run under >Ableton Live, since it is a combination of Max for Live envelop follow >device listening to your audio input and controlling the gain >parameter in a utility plugin (standard Live plugin). Worst virtual >swell pedal I've mocked-up is the Logic's/Mainstage's plugin >Enveloper. It is bad because it doesn't allow a volume sweep from >zero, as it is rather a tool for shaping the attack of transients in a >rhythmic material. > >Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 02:55:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72F39183464; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 02:55:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 775586.94025.bm@omp1005.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1344135316; bh=ETPxHEbFuExI7unpTAGI3LPLwm8frqZMKrKLPN4KUNc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=aREfWCzdkka7XZnWaZT17VJIPtzNNMV75wC+1XdwsdgUoiGVpRTeeOqIjjUrE7q2GJSR0pasM8Bdxp4kaKJ8bm3ApOdUXjieJp/dNOpQYVa8UEUmRYDiTdHA3TU3DAV31xaq1rqjONewYe0JbjxIp6hZaf6tIwjjKkyyvWN/+2w= X-YMail-OSG: iLCtTuAVM1moCfDfnAZMQTw8tTy1iOPZSLPgC4rn1XSyN8r 2VDjh2Oy697fi4v429du6e6AeNDcPcE781a3Y_uAC.qjAAQzOB7MMY622xy2 bKL6xfF79Gl65Dwi6qLo5n27k6jt2.epgfHKuITqztUw.7MDbELvPJOvOXU3 0NRqu3eYQKi527hLDTR9Ux4vdzc7eXpkJllSr38dtXlqVOjD7RCvMQ0k8unV 0TNabWWiDDFggstMe39Zg5og62YHZPSxCwIYAw5g_zyMEtJ_.rFMu.EQlmkk CA5Y92l.4MrR.Bg9CV8jIfWD57zWCoRHoGh18lBLjrzhno8rCb1co9UKytKk gsrYev6T7.h2jAdsBHsYZpkIjoaZ0GSiACWyGzfA1e3gLhuhAdemU2bUVLa5 xjcEECvTocOo9ucJbTymWcZ925QLXxg74GNga54s4b4qBODPnBhXwagSKS5G f5.Q05kzQTDCfuS6Phk02ANVC4GuUvnTxRRZKp4nN X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1344135316.83531.YahooMailClassic@web84506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 19:55:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Flying with a guitar... or not To: Loopers-Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 02:55:18 +0000 (UTC) Hi Gang! I am deeply honored to be able to play this year's festival. One thing that keeps me awake, though, besides performance anxiety, is something even more horrible than modern air travel: modern air travel with a guitar. Out of all my guitars, I cannot think of a single one that I would willingly risk to careless or felonious baggage handlers or overzealous members of the Security Industrial Complex. Sneaking a few pedals into my onboard bag should be easy, but the guitar is a much bigger deal. Therefore I think I'd be best served by a guitar that will fit onboard and be playable but not something I'll get all sentimental over. Should I just look for a vintage Hondo II Chiquita (ka-ching!$) or an Erlewine Lazer (ka-ching again!)? I've been told that even those Hohner Steinberger copies are getting pricey. Maybe one of those novelty mini-strats? Any ideas would most welcome and greatly appreciated. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 02:58:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4F7C183462; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 02:58:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 22:58:00 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: trigger a keyboard press with midi In-Reply-To: References: <5F096573-424B-4B18-8FB0-59F5AC548F1D@baymoon.com> <70E7B23C-A465-4BC9-A77B-50136A43F700@gmail.com> <6519D291-4078-4221-BF86-AE52CD29FCCB@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20120805025822.1461D4138@smtp1.wightman.ca> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 02:58:22 +0000 (UTC) I don't ever recall seeing this and wondered if anyone knows of a way to do this with a midi foot controller. I'm interested in a simple percussion program but they don't have any way to control it from midi. They do have start, stop and some other comands bound to a key press on the qwerty keyboard and I wondered if there was a way to in turn bind that to a midi pc or cc? I have come across some 3 pedal transcription pedals that will do that but they aren't using midi, or at least I don't think so. Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca Ontario, Canada From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 04:32:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26827183463; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 04:32:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not From: Ed Durbrow In-Reply-To: <1344135316.83531.YahooMailClassic@web84506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:31:59 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <964E3F1E-1D8F-4961-9F9E-952F02B30979@sea.plala.or.jp> References: <1344135316.83531.YahooMailClassic@web84506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa01b; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:32:00 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 04:32:03 +0000 (UTC) There is always risk, of course, but why don't you wrap it in bubble = wrap, put cardboard around that, then more bubble wrap, then more = cardboard etc. until it is as big as allowed. Also make sure the guitar = can't move in a direction inside the case that could break the = headstock, for example. Then demand/plead to have it hand carried onto = the plane. I would investigate different airline's reputations. I = brought back a very delicate Baroque guitar to Japan in April and it = ended up being hand carried. That way it doesn't come through the = machines at the luggage carousels. On Aug 5, 2012, at 11:55 AM, Tim Mungenast wrote: > Hi Gang! >=20 > I am deeply honored to be able to play this year's festival. One thing = that keeps me awake, though, besides performance anxiety, is something = even more horrible than modern air travel: modern air travel with a = guitar. Out of all my guitars, I cannot think of a single one that I = would willingly risk to careless or felonious baggage handlers or = overzealous members of the Security Industrial Complex. Sneaking a few = pedals into my onboard bag should be easy, but the guitar is a much = bigger deal.=20 >=20 > Therefore I think I'd be best served by a guitar that will fit onboard = and be playable but not something I'll get all sentimental over. Should = I just look for a vintage Hondo II Chiquita (ka-ching!$) or an Erlewine = Lazer (ka-ching again!)? I've been told that even those Hohner = Steinberger copies are getting pricey. Maybe one of those novelty = mini-strats? Any ideas would most welcome and greatly appreciated.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=3Dwatch http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 08:37:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5795183463; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 08:37:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 798701139/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.23.186/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.23.186 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjYDAKovHlBYbRe6/2dsb2JhbAANN7gxBAOELAEBAQQ4QBELGAkWDwkDAgECAUUcAa9OklKPMoMcA5sRjSQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,715,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="798701139" Message-ID: <501E30B8.6050204@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 09:37:12 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looking for a "swell plugin" - (audio amplitude triggered level attack envelope) References: <5F096573-424B-4B18-8FB0-59F5AC548F1D@baymoon.com> <70E7B23C-A465-4BC9-A77B-50136A43F700@gmail.com> <560FC7A1-9AD2-41BF-82B5-2CC5EFF2AB0E@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <560FC7A1-9AD2-41BF-82B5-2CC5EFF2AB0E@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 08:37:18 +0000 (UTC) but you get a graphic that looks like vintage gear...surely? Phil Clevenger wrote: > Reverb One for a THOUSAND BUCKS !! > > I guess it's worth that much to somebody, but it's just reverb fer fucks sake... > > :) > > Phil :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 09:29:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59138183463; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 09:29:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 789991390/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.23.186/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.23.186 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBABE8HlBYbRe6/2dsb2JhbAANN4V7tmkBAQEDASMVQBELBxMCBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFHAGIAxGnR26RYoEhjhGCCoESA5sRjSQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,715,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="789991390" Message-ID: <501E3D13.9050106@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 10:29:55 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT compressor stompbox References: <20120804183513.D989F183466@arsenic.violacea.com> <000001cd7283$cef9c4d0$6ced4e70$@de> In-Reply-To: <000001cd7283$cef9c4d0$6ced4e70$@de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 09:29:51 +0000 (UTC) hi Michael, suggest you check out this:- http://www.wamplerpedals.com/essentials/ego-compressor.html Also +1 for the Pigtronix unit. both available without additional import tax:- http://www.hotroxuk.com/ Both have a blend control. The Wampler unit has an *Attack* control, which really does let you decide how much of the initial attack you want to let through. The Tone control gives you a bit of extra treble, but unlike the Pigtronix this does not affect the dry part of the blended signal. afaik the Wampler is the only stompbox with the controls that will allow you to fine tune to your requirements. I've tried one, everything on it works fine...and it has a clean sounding audio path. andy Michael Peters wrote: > > thanks Bill but I don't think it would go through customs here without > anything added on top :) > > > > -mpe > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 10:35:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBAFB183460; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 10:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6J4H25+tzz2xMao44nFHpk5UZ38CuB6zfWvIlvucdD4=; b=WvwKolJDXnKW2y/UtcCF+5vsF2r6UXF70iNEH5XS7Jz0nGWQ/qvObkG6qBwhNA1H25 I8bFU9T1hFKUuHairMABeWQDzoYEInBZWemylmUcq8Ns4MuvB8OJHUrMTpBnCi978/U/ M7B+fKF/NvA+y3KQBiTN4hl9aZqzX2wbVau01FW/xlEbnUfRQsNoqWXkJYY9b7C2DeZn KqdUhFedwCynP7oaBkJPxi/Qesuc0R3js/gzVVujd+Fdevj18yepviB+5tAIeSSkhoZx uwIgNjGzS+Y1GZh3Y+O37v0Q1lLr9rD6HZhUZmSn+/E9fZ+1Iokrw1Uja+08oq1yGGdq KO5Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1344135316.83531.YahooMailClassic@web84506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1344135316.83531.YahooMailClassic@web84506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:35:48 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 10:35:49 +0000 (UTC) I don't dare to recommend anything except for investing in a real case and check it in as "music instrument". Most flight companies offer a luggage insurance as part of the ticket but such insurance is only valid if the instrument is packed in a real case. "A real case" is one with super tight foam that exactly matches the guitar so it can not move inside, and the surface has to be close to unbreakable. A real case cost about as much as a cheap guitar but it is worth it. Another option is to not bring the guitar. After all it is a looping festival and you can in fact use any audio source to perform your looping. Many times I have brought a simple flute instead of my precious guitar and I've seen great loopists simply pick any found object in the venue to make sound with into a mic connected to looping gear. Here's a guitar travel trick I've used: Pack the guitar inside an "insurance safe" tight-foam-case to check in. Bring a guitar soft-case as your carry-on luggage but fill it up with non-instrument stuff like extra clothes, tooth brush etc. After having safely landed at the gig territory you may shift the content of the two items to be more comfortable. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 4:55 AM, Tim Mungenast wrot= e: > Hi Gang! > > I am deeply honored to be able to play this year's festival. One thing th= at keeps me awake, though, besides performance anxiety, is something even m= ore horrible than modern air travel: modern air travel with a guitar. Out o= f all my guitars, I cannot think of a single one that I would willingly ris= k to careless or felonious baggage handlers or overzealous members of the S= ecurity Industrial Complex. Sneaking a few pedals into my onboard bag shoul= d be easy, but the guitar is a much bigger deal. > > Therefore I think I'd be best served by a guitar that will fit onboard an= d be playable but not something I'll get all sentimental over. Should I jus= t look for a vintage Hondo II Chiquita (ka-ching!$) or an Erlewine Lazer (k= a-ching again!)? I've been told that even those Hohner Steinberger copies a= re getting pricey. Maybe one of those novelty mini-strats? Any ideas would = most welcome and greatly appreciated. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 10:47:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D83F3183463; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 10:47:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=wleac2zG96PSj4ePhUQzIv3dl2CtSwtKR6PWrFc2QRA=; b=YgOPvhxZO6EWyvjry+rEdpDVTsz5nh6GplG0FHTSuu7yFjMGIb59RmyKM74cAhN7zd vVeuKb0MRgIoAfF/DT4jCbX0W92OwJYBWB7e2JuUGCCaP1q0KL2jFYrQm30KxjR8rW5u hAE5Rf6A/Ge3ZmBWOYGCQNrawpDFclAvrrVG+1mmZoARexlmLjHlrLzmBFKDUaZ+BE+q ZZpr+XKGv5c3LAWB3Pa0rwg9hbURCFQ7V70pA3ROn4lcrzkKzIaj+ldePHu6q59LZob1 PAYhWTgPQGBsEJxX61IFHr47+1qEsvJyRmELHj6H0qXBW3u3fZHI+cukvxZAUJ7WFWzj /MCg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120805025822.1461D4138@smtp1.wightman.ca> References: <5F096573-424B-4B18-8FB0-59F5AC548F1D@baymoon.com> <70E7B23C-A465-4BC9-A77B-50136A43F700@gmail.com> <6519D291-4078-4221-BF86-AE52CD29FCCB@gmail.com> <20120805025822.1461D4138@smtp1.wightman.ca> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:47:48 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: trigger a keyboard press with midi From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 10:47:49 +0000 (UTC) Check out Bidule. I remember once reading in the Bidule manual about a function that converts between MIDI and computer key press, or the other way around, or both... I'm afraid I can't recall the details. Also, have you thought about adding and extra USB connected computer keyboard to use as foot pedal for your non-MIDI percussion application? I've seen players use computer keyboards as foot pedalboards by gluing chunks of styrofoam on the hot keys and maybe take off the keys not to be used. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 4:58 AM, paul wrote: > I don't ever recall seeing this and wondered if anyone knows of a way to do > this with a midi foot controller. I'm interested in a simple percussion > program but they don't have any way to control it from midi. They do have > start, stop and some other comands bound to a key press on the qwerty > keyboard and I wondered if there was a way to in turn bind that to a midi pc > or cc? I have come across some 3 pedal transcription pedals that will do > that but they aren't using midi, or at least I don't think so. > > Paul Haslem > www.dulcify.ca > Ontario, Canada > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 11:53:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BF4A183464; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 11:53:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=ikvjXkoNwhwUVITkNcHDpW3fZ1qD6tzVYiIIkFXq+nw=; b=W22/SECNPw5nY3VjDzbQSqqzZLFn3+UBgKgHqoKZSWuLlF9aH5EbIV9jFQkX6ZaeZ/ ISFldzKR8D01PML8aQ+lHAL2IIfb2eyMg3e1gATk+J/1kh8HJd9MgygGEfsk4B6q1Lw5 Lsao/Xhog3p8xoIrxITTL2n/VUOwhkTTFLYxZbh8Vpx2Mbvoekm3DHu7IYDITqY+GQac yyuMhgZdcA7y+JRsYPpbjsiH/zZRE4EavRkLPW/yaJB7G5wdyBe51WIMF9FFaJLPtTb9 K/dy1A/68p+Y8fYBYfhcdi5pZd6jJPbTmu9kJbm3zYhkkA6k05XJ5PVnOLbq1psGOUJh 9ezg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <1344135316.83531.YahooMailClassic@web84506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:53:06 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: uttsnM_kCbveNQccZ55ue9KECXs Message-ID: Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b621e40af122704c683684b Resent-Message-ID: <7XBknC.A.O3E.36lHQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 11:53:27 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b621e40af122704c683684b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have to say, the simple answer is .. dont bring a great guitar! Luckily I dont have this problem as I don=B4t HAVE a great guitar... Also dont worry TOO much, before this list I had never heard of any trouble and have never had any trouble... I used to routinely chuck my old Washburn guitar and Takamine acoustic onto the baggage chute without even thinking about it...(with normal hard shell cases). I also occasionally used a musical instrument shipping firm (Rock.it Cargo I believe, dont know if they still exist) They will usually do a great deal IF they are sending someone elses stuff (Some big touring band) to the same place, or a few weeks earlier... but then you often have to drive to an obscure warehouse in the neighborhood of the airport... This is my cue to re-tell (not for the first time on LD) my Rolling Stones story. After RETURNING from the states, we had lost one flight case, but recieved someone elses case in its place. A quick check of the shipping sheet revealed it belonged to the Rolling Stones and contained 1 x Inflatable HonkyTonk Woman! We thought this was so funny, that we decided to wait (after calling our press officer so they could get a "funny story" in NME) about a month later, the Rolling Stones Tour Mnager (or a minion) called asking if we wanted to swap an inflatable woman for a box of broken crap guitars... we reluctantly agreed... --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b621e40af122704c683684b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have to say, the simple answer is .. dont bring a great guitar! Luckily I= dont have this problem as I don=B4t HAVE a great guitar... Also dont worry= TOO much, before this list I had never heard of any trouble and have never= had any trouble... I used to routinely chuck my old Washburn guitar and Ta= kamine acoustic onto the baggage chute without even thinking about it...(wi= th normal hard shell cases).
I also occasionally used a musical instrument shipping firm (Rock.it Cargo = I believe, dont know if they still exist) They will usually do a great deal= IF they are sending someone elses stuff (Some big touring band) to the sam= e place, or a few weeks earlier... but then you often have to drive to an o= bscure warehouse in the neighborhood of the airport...

This is my cue to re-tell (not for the first time on LD) my Rolling Sto= nes story. After RETURNING from the states, we had lost one flight case, bu= t recieved someone elses case in its place. A quick check of the shipping s= heet revealed it belonged to the Rolling Stones and contained 1 x Inflatabl= e HonkyTonk Woman!
We thought this was so funny, that we decided to wait (after calling our pr= ess officer so they could get a "funny story" in NME) about a mon= th later, the Rolling Stones Tour Mnager (or a minion) called asking if we = wanted to swap an inflatable woman for a box of broken crap guitars... we r= eluctantly agreed...
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www.markfrancombe.com
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http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.c= om/photos/24478662@N00/

--047d7b621e40af122704c683684b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 11:58:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A63FF183460; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 11:58:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=/WZH3hnyHWOvTDfrhZfYlP/bwODfbuEZennHqAD2cp4=; b=uDyrjqvKfkLalMfIzKsKtdcDqI2U8wnMcdJE/VnJqH1ozC03mvRPpZBhKNU22ugjCT 30eOPY4/sVRKjLj3s3+kTh/1llQh97c1QXtHZBKXgp7grOBvoY1Q1FvtGnCZ3nssg3FD HRbOJFSd/lOCZXMb4CBxwMHZ/h8GGHCIN9oxe5OX+EI050JmxKlVwl/5h3l3MxXWCSgL T+ZWg+G41By1wev6FG5Dnyr/w1fN+OpESIDoBK4n/SBnafD7EX3ZxQllfWXJSlMA7A1A xO2dVjfq3eqxoQLkJSwMg2Y8ZkURUdcYupgnldObOO+z7lpGRFeurhy4dYRyghJgegce b29Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <5F096573-424B-4B18-8FB0-59F5AC548F1D@baymoon.com> <70E7B23C-A465-4BC9-A77B-50136A43F700@gmail.com> <6519D291-4078-4221-BF86-AE52CD29FCCB@gmail.com> <20120805025822.1461D4138@smtp1.wightman.ca> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 07:58:49 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: trigger a keyboard press with midi From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04016a23eef68304c6837b17 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 11:58:50 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04016a23eef68304c6837b17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This looks pretty cool http://www.guitarampmodeling.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=16194 J On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Check out Bidule. I remember once reading in the Bidule manual about a > function that converts between MIDI and computer key press, or the > other way around, or both... I'm afraid I can't recall the details. > > Also, have you thought about adding and extra USB connected computer > keyboard to use as foot pedal for your non-MIDI percussion > application? I've seen players use computer keyboards as foot > pedalboards by gluing chunks of styrofoam on the hot keys and maybe > take off the keys not to be used. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 4:58 AM, paul wrote: > > I don't ever recall seeing this and wondered if anyone knows of a way to > do > > this with a midi foot controller. I'm interested in a simple percussion > > program but they don't have any way to control it from midi. They do have > > start, stop and some other comands bound to a key press on the qwerty > > keyboard and I wondered if there was a way to in turn bind that to a > midi pc > > or cc? I have come across some 3 pedal transcription pedals that will do > > that but they aren't using midi, or at least I don't think so. > > > > Paul Haslem > > www.dulcify.ca > > Ontario, Canada > > > > --f46d04016a23eef68304c6837b17 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This looks pretty cool http://www.guitarampmodeling.com/viewtopic.php?= f=3D21&t=3D16194

J

On Sun,= Aug 5, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> = wrote:
Check out Bidule. I remember once reading in= the Bidule manual about a
function that converts between MIDI and computer key press, or the
other way around, or both... I'm afraid I can't recall the details.=

Also, have you thought about adding and extra USB connected computer
keyboard to use as foot pedal for your non-MIDI percussion
application? I've seen players use computer keyboards as foot
pedalboards by gluing chunks of styrofoam on the hot keys and maybe
take off the keys not to be used.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen


On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 4:58 AM, paul <phaslem@wightman.ca> wrote:
> I don't ever recall seeing this and wondered if anyone knows of a = way to do
> this with a midi foot controller. I'm interested in a simple percu= ssion
> program but they don't have any way to control it from midi. They = do have
> start, stop and some other comands bound to a key press on the qwerty<= br> > keyboard and I wondered if there was a way to in turn bind that to a m= idi pc
> or cc? I have come across some 3 pedal transcription pedals that will = do
> that but they aren't using midi, or at least I don't think so.=
>
> Paul Haslem
> www.dulcify.ca=
> Ontario, Canada
>


--f46d04016a23eef68304c6837b17-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 12:06:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1553183464; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:06:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=Nkg2LQ6fxYthrRMD/mcC8iLvSra9EDUcbfPTV09amQU=; b=ty/2gaOPBv8MvU0GNc54L+745BfIlZX+Urys5vpMA0wBRXbMmgdL+KpDIvEGe1Z0KN 8ATlHU5+VdrxXJrfZF8fd8HXnxuptikl0RrrPMsTRZnZlbxLB2zcQ3IXvHtEpSFVcD4G R+ExDtp0zbRBSuHyIonUGBzioAnwmC7GCZ34UyQQOzXz6Wegwvgx1bIASHsLOGvkcWKR TFIkaw9/Kt3NVMu3hHbDkK29NhyxonCFINZpBdgackQ2fw+MUjBmSUYJon8k+0dnd++B X4fvFWRwfbwDZkxlYnm1EHiVv67F3H/JEQQux5AUjS1bAOo9qmxD/cIG4DgtZLvC/iwY jDCg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 14:05:53 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: DMKpstLm9eiQC2lcdo8aQ6vkYOI Message-ID: Subject: New discovery on EDP!!! To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b621edc745add04c68396f3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:06:15 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b621edc745add04c68396f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have to say once again that the edp is the most amazing instrument, Today, in an offhand jam (having a day off from the country back in my town house studio) I did something on the EDP that I have NEVER done before, and didnt know was possible... It blew my mind, and have to keep testing... Im not sure if I got this right. This is after about 12 years of using an EDP... I STILL discover new things... *Ill recount exactly what I did and then go back and try again.* EDP set to 8ths quant on,, First I made a short half second loop, and multiplyed out to 8 cycles with a new bit of audio played during the mult. Then I RE-multiplied down to 1 cycle again... (I dont think I pressed any UNDOs at this stage for windowing, but cant be sure) Then I pressed overdub (NOT INSERT) on and played, many layers quickly stacked up... pure distorted noise basically... THEN.. I re multiplyed back up to 8 cycles... Here I expected it to have 7 cycles of the PRE overdubbed layer and 1 cycle of pure noise (from the stacked up overdub) BUT that is NOT what came back...!!! Instead I got 8 variations (probably levels of undo) of the noise layer IN REVERSE!!! not reverse reverse, but reverse undo-ing up to full strength!! It was very very cool!!! I then had to take a phone call and write a mail or two, and find mysef writing on LD... Im off to the studio again to check this.. see if I cant replicate it, and see if I can get what I WAS after a different way... -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b621edc745add04c68396f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have to say once again that the edp is the most amazing instrument, Today= , in an offhand jam (having a day off from the country back in my town hous= e studio) I did something on the EDP that I have NEVER done before, and did= nt know was possible... It blew my mind, and have to keep testing... Im not= sure if I got this right. This is after about 12 years of using an EDP... = I STILL discover new things...
Ill recount exactly what I did and then go back and try again.
EDP set to 8ths quant on,,
First I made a short half second loop, and = multiplyed out to 8 cycles with a new bit of audio played during the mult.<= br> Then I RE-multiplied down to 1 cycle again... (I dont think I pressed any U= NDOs at this stage for windowing, but cant be sure)
Then I pressed overd= ub (NOT INSERT) on and played, many layers quickly stacked up... pure disto= rted noise basically...
THEN.. I re multiplyed back up to 8 cycles...
Here I expected it to have= 7 cycles of the PRE overdubbed layer and 1 cycle of pure noise (from the s= tacked up overdub)
BUT that is NOT what came back...!!!
Instead I got= 8 variations (probably levels of undo) of the noise layer IN REVERSE!!! no= t reverse reverse, but reverse undo-ing up to full strength!!
It was very very cool!!!

I then had to take a phone call and write a= mail or two, and find mysef writing on LD...
Im off to the studio agai= n to check this.. see if I cant replicate it, and see if I can get what I W= AS after a different way...


--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.c= om/photos/24478662@N00/

--047d7b621edc745add04c68396f3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 13:04:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27290183463; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:04:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ONrwA7wVekK61oAn02UeYJval2B89HwbE96nXWlbsic=; b=HLfAWiccizmn+uXy4m3qqGMoYojHF17ummOfvyIxyHeDyuox8aZmSJ3p+MG+XvUN1J zr6HGRRK5bm7OJzaan+HxRAg7JIMAIv9lV7gNtoCwr5rZ2JU3/Z0udV5uI3fYrAK4hAR Mqyq9nNpJY6/aynZdjjRo0++Rxq6JAS83w4EeyJXIpuhgsdmatcYPheOvi6IgFKDuSOp sl+31RkaI+Y3xfu3nZRE/CLzUGm0+EfYsIWbjnbc+/j6Uq53Vfls7brptwW0jCn0YvCQ TiTjUzySTT6EQpkIqVG5u2GVelJe4nJLBWU/oU21o7fG8wdv1nUW8WWh7LsmBz5IisuG BDKA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 15:04:27 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New discovery on EDP!!! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:04:29 +0000 (UTC) Interesting! Maybe you got to touch the core of Loop Religon there... ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 2:05 PM, mark francombe wrote: > I have to say once again that the edp is the most amazing instrument, Today, > in an offhand jam (having a day off from the country back in my town house > studio) I did something on the EDP that I have NEVER done before, and didnt > know was possible... It blew my mind, and have to keep testing... Im not > sure if I got this right. This is after about 12 years of using an EDP... I > STILL discover new things... > Ill recount exactly what I did and then go back and try again. > > EDP set to 8ths quant on,, > First I made a short half second loop, and multiplyed out to 8 cycles with a > new bit of audio played during the mult. > Then I RE-multiplied down to 1 cycle again... (I dont think I pressed any > UNDOs at this stage for windowing, but cant be sure) > Then I pressed overdub (NOT INSERT) on and played, many layers quickly > stacked up... pure distorted noise basically... > THEN.. I re multiplyed back up to 8 cycles... > Here I expected it to have 7 cycles of the PRE overdubbed layer and 1 cycle > of pure noise (from the stacked up overdub) > BUT that is NOT what came back...!!! > Instead I got 8 variations (probably levels of undo) of the noise layer IN > REVERSE!!! not reverse reverse, but reverse undo-ing up to full strength!! > It was very very cool!!! > > I then had to take a phone call and write a mail or two, and find mysef > writing on LD... > Im off to the studio again to check this.. see if I cant replicate it, and > see if I can get what I WAS after a different way... > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 13:06:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68536183465; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3uRRPeJlaIBjdNRytubmis4aohptFQSWAdcZwnnNITo=; b=PMvZe6gBtTg/VPnGom2oV86sFBqJEwrT7EORQexChUzywFZsSLMp/8C1uFwSvG+TwA fejARqAYQr0ie9Mzq6Wd22dk6UIIzYelIrqRHVSziJSMCus1mOtLYMMOpIq28cInpQy7 hiKtK1pytGFzqx9K1R7Ktkvtb0Hbe4lHA6wLVHjLQfJIyO/VjFCw9kfD1sQ8cBunEs8M I3Nl3FqxupSwpygYoXsVi7VyWkJAFgz53n9eTVNMi2EGueVRLIxcGyteIEoL19jKpSiG kwgTCAocbbok1gv/wVBHCEA0+HDc3U0fCIaJpW1BPnUpLuXMI9hD/RoOEqAgUb6AqYZT rgrw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <5F096573-424B-4B18-8FB0-59F5AC548F1D@baymoon.com> <70E7B23C-A465-4BC9-A77B-50136A43F700@gmail.com> <6519D291-4078-4221-BF86-AE52CD29FCCB@gmail.com> <20120805025822.1461D4138@smtp1.wightman.ca> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 15:06:26 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: trigger a keyboard press with midi From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Wow Jeff, that'sa true Power Post! How cool that this is possible. Per On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: > This looks pretty cool > http://www.guitarampmodeling.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=16194 > > J > > > On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> Check out Bidule. I remember once reading in the Bidule manual about a >> function that converts between MIDI and computer key press, or the >> other way around, or both... I'm afraid I can't recall the details. >> >> Also, have you thought about adding and extra USB connected computer >> keyboard to use as foot pedal for your non-MIDI percussion >> application? I've seen players use computer keyboards as foot >> pedalboards by gluing chunks of styrofoam on the hot keys and maybe >> take off the keys not to be used. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 4:58 AM, paul wrote: >> > I don't ever recall seeing this and wondered if anyone knows of a way to >> > do >> > this with a midi foot controller. I'm interested in a simple percussion >> > program but they don't have any way to control it from midi. They do >> > have >> > start, stop and some other comands bound to a key press on the qwerty >> > keyboard and I wondered if there was a way to in turn bind that to a >> > midi pc >> > or cc? I have come across some 3 pedal transcription pedals that will do >> > that but they aren't using midi, or at least I don't think so. >> > >> > Paul Haslem >> > www.dulcify.ca >> > Ontario, Canada >> > >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 13:15:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3A8A183462; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:15:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 798751212/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.23.186/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.23.186 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlYCAENxHlBYbRe6/2dsb2JhbAANOI1yrnIBAQEDAThABgsLIRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBiAOnc5JMjzKDHAObEY0k X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,715,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="798751212" Message-ID: <501E71E3.6000100@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 14:15:15 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New discovery on EDP!!! References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:15:09 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > Instead I got 8 variations (probably levels of undo) of the noise layer yup, you undid(undoed?) into the loop history of the evolving single section loop. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 13:15:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B6E4183463; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:15:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Wb9sMJKYI0jFFhF8a9Yj+LKRZNfIVHX0LeshHk1sMEY=; b=qbJgq9va9Fuh14ZlxDD5QKuEVSbiGjgEKCxZNTwDra2lFq3ta2U2HFMM+sMUN36uZA /jwjdL26YFPhiYhqKGBNtYMFqsopp2rtLdMocGajeOCtjUVdVAiBuNNjxU5z5Q9I2eB/ PZxzO6xBpeUTVW9cVLavsBcz+1/X3q6Yw9sbRDxC4Cm2+9zn4hfqC0DfjBH8nZTqX96O ZpgPNmjtq6RG3ALAQpNWeTYzEt5yxhxjgni+uwwgS140ArmQMSRFYEXf3at5WMaWET0d LLmXNDPnWeqbyDS/srVcsn4LWlZrbL3FP1SLadR1uwzvb8cLJBoJGI7b6FrlriBV27Hm DY1w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 15:15:26 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 40UV_2iP6hHSFr-9EzFbggwwmis Message-ID: Subject: Re: New discovery on EDP!!! To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b343ee62e1c2d04c6848f01 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:15:48 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b343ee62e1c2d04c6848f01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ill just confirm my findings for all you EDP users... Sorry if this was totally KNOWN effect (Im sure it is to you Andy and Mattias but for the rest of us mortals) The effect is to basically turn a live played "stacking effect into a loop, as in... hear the stack being produced over and over. The trick NOT described in my original post quite correctly and there IS a way to produce what I was expecting... Here it is again... 1. make a short loop (1/5 a sec or less) 2. multiple out to 8 (This step probably not necessary- but im quoting exactly what I did for clarity of repeating the effect)... and play some audio. 3. re-multiply down to 1 cycle again (divide) 4. OVERDUB ON (important step) 5. Play til the music has stacked at least 8 layers (to avoid noise, try picking the notes of an chord, extending higher if ness) 6. You now have a wall of noise or a beautiful chord. 7. IMPORTANT: Leave overdub ON!!! 8. multiply out to 8 again (or 16 or whatever amount of times you "stacked") 9. You still hear the noise/chord... audience registers no difference... yet.. 10. UNDO!!! 11. Now you hear your stack being produced over and over again... building up an up till the cycles reach 1 then they drop back and build up again... Now... IF you turn overdub OFF at step 7. THEN you get what I was expecting... 7 cycles of your first multiplied 8 loop and 1 cycle of the noise/chord. Man this thing is deep... Again... sorry if this is common knowledge... but anyway... Now off to echoloop to see if it does it there too..!! Mark On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 2:05 PM, mark francombe wrote: > I have to say once again that the edp is the most amazing instrument, > Today, in an offhand jam (having a day off from the country back in my town > house studio) I did something on the EDP that I have NEVER done before, and > didnt know was possible... It blew my mind, and have to keep testing... Im > not sure if I got this right. This is after about 12 years of using an > EDP... I STILL discover new things... > *Ill recount exactly what I did and then go back and try again.* > > EDP set to 8ths quant on,, > First I made a short half second loop, and multiplyed out to 8 cycles with > a new bit of audio played during the mult. > Then I RE-multiplied down to 1 cycle again... (I dont think I pressed any > UNDOs at this stage for windowing, but cant be sure) > Then I pressed overdub (NOT INSERT) on and played, many layers quickly > stacked up... pure distorted noise basically... > THEN.. I re multiplyed back up to 8 cycles... > Here I expected it to have 7 cycles of the PRE overdubbed layer and 1 > cycle of pure noise (from the stacked up overdub) > BUT that is NOT what came back...!!! > Instead I got 8 variations (probably levels of undo) of the noise layer IN > REVERSE!!! not reverse reverse, but reverse undo-ing up to full strength!! > It was very very cool!!! > > I then had to take a phone call and write a mail or two, and find mysef > writing on LD... > Im off to the studio again to check this.. see if I cant replicate it, and > see if I can get what I WAS after a different way... > > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b343ee62e1c2d04c6848f01 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ill just confirm my findings for all you EDP users... Sorry if this was tot= ally KNOWN effect (Im sure it is to you Andy and Mattias but for the rest o= f us mortals)

The effect is to basically turn a live played "st= acking effect into a loop, as in... hear the stack being produced over and = over.
The trick NOT described in my original post quite correctly and there IS a = way to produce what I was expecting...
Here it is again...
1. make a= short loop (1/5 a sec or less)
2. multiple out to 8 (This step probably= not necessary- but im quoting exactly what I did for clarity of repeating = the effect)... and play some audio.
3. re-multiply down to 1 cycle again (divide)
4. OVERDUB ON (important s= tep)
5. Play til the music has stacked at least 8 layers (to avoid noise= , try picking the notes of an chord, extending higher if ness)
6. You no= w have a wall of noise or a beautiful chord.
7. IMPORTANT: Leave overdub ON!!!
8. multiply out to 8 again (or 16 or w= hatever amount of times you "stacked")
9. You still hear the n= oise/chord... audience registers no difference... yet..
10. UNDO!!!
11. Now you hear your stack being produced over and over again... building = up an up till the cycles reach 1 then they drop back and build up again...<= br>
Now... IF you turn overdub OFF at step 7. THEN you get what I was ex= pecting... 7 cycles of your first multiplied 8 loop and 1 cycle of the nois= e/chord.

Man this thing is deep...
Again... sorry if this is common knowledg= e... but anyway... Now off to echoloop to see if it does it there too..!!
Mark



On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at= 2:05 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote= :
I have to say once again that the edp is the= most amazing instrument, Today, in an offhand jam (having a day off from t= he country back in my town house studio) I did something on the EDP that I = have NEVER done before, and didnt know was possible... It blew my mind, and= have to keep testing... Im not sure if I got this right. This is after abo= ut 12 years of using an EDP... I STILL discover new things...
Ill recount exactly what I did and then go back and try again.
EDP set to 8ths quant on,,
First I made a short half second loop, and = multiplyed out to 8 cycles with a new bit of audio played during the mult.<= br> Then I RE-multiplied down to 1 cycle again... (I dont think I pressed any U= NDOs at this stage for windowing, but cant be sure)
Then I pressed overd= ub (NOT INSERT) on and played, many layers quickly stacked up... pure disto= rted noise basically...
THEN.. I re multiplyed back up to 8 cycles...
Here I expected it to have= 7 cycles of the PRE overdubbed layer and 1 cycle of pure noise (from the s= tacked up overdub)
BUT that is NOT what came back...!!!
Instead I got= 8 variations (probably levels of undo) of the noise layer IN REVERSE!!! no= t reverse reverse, but reverse undo-ing up to full strength!!
It was very very cool!!!

I then had to take a phone call and write a= mail or two, and find mysef writing on LD...
Im off to the studio agai= n to check this.. see if I cant replicate it, and see if I can get what I W= AS after a different way...<= br>

--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.c= om/photos/24478662@N00/




--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--047d7b343ee62e1c2d04c6848f01-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 13:17:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDBFB18345E; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:17:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=BMVMGJgCYd1kNUQ/rR0WCcYzjo9uxUB15dSR0kE+KNg=; b=bno3rC1O5ZjTiGcCbmKchG9IpPe9lhufiOofCwcwTyn0QgJ6VR/7o0Ej0FOG1K+HRt iBJAGungQ9pOy0L0pdaETv9brqxWtc40wcHqvMxEPwMeVSlx2WEmqSK6sSFN32484O8H XkvEtiEX4Z0mcpgllRe8nEIYer1X1sNvihHdWuV/0QmzwKsm1nvFqDelamQIZ0qse4We gvwxM1o0zt4M04eDHqLpkDZn2i7UKHub8HacYqgSK59F2XsruSJ3IG7rTr0nxQVNK/r1 oe7EcGLUM7DBvvXY3V53dYgRuN7hg7UC169qYroXaPijp9iS3REFpg02nakHRa6UHS/Z w/KA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <501E71E3.6000100@tiscali.co.uk> References: <501E71E3.6000100@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 15:17:20 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: MPm5bt3dVeG_aF-dq8KxQn60K7g Message-ID: Subject: Re: New discovery on EDP!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b603c12f4cd6e04c6849577 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:17:41 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b603c12f4cd6e04c6849577 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ha ha... our mails crossed... yep I knew it would be nothing to YOU! How I wish I had a bit of ButlerBoysen juice... On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 3:15 PM, andy butler wrote: > > > mark francombe wrote: > > Instead I got 8 variations (probably levels of undo) of the noise layer >> > > yup, you undid(undoed?) into the loop history of the evolving single > section loop. > > > andy > > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b603c12f4cd6e04c6849577 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ha ha... our mails crossed... yep I knew it would be nothing to YOU! How I = wish I had a bit of ButlerBoysen juice...



On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 3:15 PM, andy butler <= akbutler@tiscal= i.co.uk> wrote:


mark francombe wrote:

Instead I got 8 variations (probably levels of undo) of the noise layer

yup, you undid(undoed?) into the loop history of the evolving single sectio= n loop.


andy





--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--047d7b603c12f4cd6e04c6849577-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 15:07:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CCF5183462; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 15:07:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 450584.74682.bm@omp1022.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1344179274; bh=WBxYsXRPIxb9yUjuDKElVw8dwjTxm77MW9R+fMXeD1c=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VggbGrEe5c+pTE55i/qT4adEjbarFZBatkohiA/qbvZx9wP6RP8w/E/WveDGoi67MjflyiRmvWGAWRdtoOMp7b6S2hq/r1ajt1HpyVwj+JMoVEjyvrtUBUQ7WXzdCvlEA8STopPPmuEfeLzvzj1mkH5ez5OUr//qTXYlfcLxotU= X-YMail-OSG: GWGkykoVM1lwXyV5jrCR_OKIoKgK7N3PBIptF_ub.oM5MTj MY9nbZtsjKlS79Ur0WzJZmiraKAxw6egQiEWpvx7CVkrhkdQw_0WZSude4K5 HUs0Q_8e7wXi51Jl.e6_mn1kJR9Qxrkb0pZFvopkSHIJxl.du.xs_a7wUObv WHfbT.OLsUARIlyumJwodEQtIQGDw9FOBiraTkUeUvoPgsCOIk0GFvLZp4UD PWEEZoyu0J1biZEsO53cJZIaM8F0rp1mDmFtxmND7AhBNecFz1RqB2dWZvWa 0kxcaxndeTriXCB4uTTGGZbPZYFSYdcjwZA.4TF0NzlbrKFPDpGJRpOhnnh6 002qD28lVrdhu3nT2lWLAqN9SiHb.Z5UUTcug3fK7FdmXcuxyIrV2ipkjOIh AKltjaWKnw3Bx4aSMjKskphjkSJiIkZ3FEIxrlY7EMyHSjEowYWLF9oRrduz tlIbEJEggJUrJ2rw1t54_2WUnyXVk_w_b7qq6So8FvISgs1nVm13UWcECkZL Xd18tc2jm3G0aQXx7n_n3Zf5fsZ4y4JW_n9hH7fOXDmveXBukvEiHq3tG3qZ 7f4lCOHLkK1smqlK0ZRYQ0hM.kZpSq1kDBRGqlmfZ X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1344179273.1046.YahooMailClassic@web84504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 08:07:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <964E3F1E-1D8F-4961-9F9E-952F02B30979@sea.plala.or.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 15:07:56 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Ed. --- On Sun, 8/5/12, Ed Durbrow wrote: > From: Ed Durbrow > Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Sunday, August 5, 2012, 12:31 AM > There is always risk, of course, but > why don't you wrap it in bubble wrap, put cardboard around > that, then more bubble wrap, then more cardboard etc. until > it is as big as allowed. Also make sure the guitar can't > move in a direction inside the case that could break the > headstock, for example. Then demand/plead to have it hand > carried onto the plane. I would investigate different > airline's reputations. I brought back a very delicate > Baroque guitar to Japan in April and it ended up being hand > carried. That way it doesn't come through the machines at > the luggage carousels. > > On Aug 5, 2012, at 11:55 AM, Tim Mungenast wrote: > > > Hi Gang! > > > > I am deeply honored to be able to play this year's > festival. One thing that keeps me awake, though, besides > performance anxiety, is something even more horrible than > modern air travel: modern air travel with a guitar. Out of > all my guitars, I cannot think of a single one that I would > willingly risk to careless or felonious baggage handlers or > overzealous members of the Security Industrial Complex. > Sneaking a few pedals into my onboard bag should be easy, > but the guitar is a much bigger deal. > > > > Therefore I think I'd be best served by a guitar that > will fit onboard and be playable but not something I'll get > all sentimental over. Should I just look for a vintage Hondo > II Chiquita (ka-ching!$) or an Erlewine Lazer (ka-ching > again!)? I've been told that even those Hohner Steinberger > copies are getting pricey. Maybe one of those novelty > mini-strats? Any ideas would most welcome and greatly > appreciated. > > > > > > > > Ed Durbrow > Saitama, Japan > http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch > http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ > edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 15:09:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 457B6183461; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 15:09:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 262680.89629.bm@omp1008.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1344179340; bh=zq3UMoi9UJ9dQwymfKHDXdDljIa1zXc5Fo5zw/GSf5E=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=oJaM6jYr2t4HJOpzTpy9qK4eM5mlQx/iYNL8RBxVSYmYOhMLhDp8DewQeOfUYL6dtkDii6l/o+yc2HTHDL7V+F4cYZskm1dl0Trja7MncXLHNsyRA9tNl7KrFRq+T83jvuJ1VfSXibRDoVOcH357qf3/N8YzHtgIiAgYCzgAUhY= X-YMail-OSG: CzHD_iYVM1mcUnD4NuG3ATvF63AtfX0mwjSmiHHCa1DN1Yt 8EN2rdbLFcQl6FwsN3Vudq_ipYIV8v.lbSet4_iUGcqy4HT7qZqGQqrqWH7e eUmHo7TfLB_ly1gipIMV0fm1Q.653W4Lcxvfo6aYfecdqoRt76TuvIbEGqt6 28s3WoJTZEbR6BUJ2wrSGx6mPb1zjaIboAvgTP3PiNDY8nxnuwl96D5PPs13 uGpmU31_RgFR3tNHhGQ5uqIIGT_xJk9q.h2wk9OLbvTicv9cl9GKg8emV3BI FhltJwYGfMMov3nLey87GLOqyo_dCCUBdmBZVbd6ZMKgwzgMgHITMeMzaC7_ 3hV9wLe0kUeEd3UpGlfKdupGGJr74UqlkzDsEm8mwMnt.a4oHaChPSd5TN86 ZFCm1xUrdzTRqurf3xSBBt5xGOQG_cxLojKa238OxT9ypl435koRz.P2TGSA XvPFOUVrat4YQMCVLlrTPNKSSzZaAuiifxN9ySTH5Q3LlZqHGDaqyZRgis8X shNqXqV09nWuAsYLonQtje60olbUyXNIt7BDIgPc2I05_BBuVGkaTT9FnKmN s4HQm6Mq2m9dShFIwl2XJ8r8GkyFRbXf2ZsLOwR172BABYbr4bGpQ8XRUJsY jXfXB4g-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1344179340.37245.YahooMailClassic@web84506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 08:09:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9pyE0D.A.QQH.OyoHQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 15:09:03 +0000 (UTC) Good ideas, Per! Thanks. --- On Sun, 8/5/12, Per Boysen wrote: > From: Per Boysen > Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Sunday, August 5, 2012, 6:35 AM > I don't dare to recommend anything > except for investing in a real case > and check it in as "music instrument". Most flight companies > offer a > luggage insurance as part of the ticket but such insurance > is only > valid if the instrument is packed in a real case. "A real > case" is one > with super tight foam that exactly matches the guitar so it > can not > move inside, and the surface has to be close to unbreakable. > A real > case cost about as much as a cheap guitar but it is worth > it. > > Another option is to not bring the guitar. After all it is a > looping > festival and you can in fact use any audio source to perform > your > looping. Many times I have brought a simple flute instead of > my > precious guitar and I've seen great loopists simply pick any > found > object in the venue to make sound with into a mic connected > to looping > gear. > > Here's a guitar travel trick I've used: Pack the guitar > inside an > "insurance safe" tight-foam-case to check in. Bring a guitar > soft-case > as your carry-on luggage but fill it up with non-instrument > stuff like > extra clothes, tooth brush etc. After having safely landed > at the gig > territory you may shift the content of the two items to be > more > comfortable. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 4:55 AM, Tim Mungenast > wrote: > > Hi Gang! > > > > I am deeply honored to be able to play this year's > festival. One thing that keeps me awake, though, besides > performance anxiety, is something even more horrible than > modern air travel: modern air travel with a guitar. Out of > all my guitars, I cannot think of a single one that I would > willingly risk to careless or felonious baggage handlers or > overzealous members of the Security Industrial Complex. > Sneaking a few pedals into my onboard bag should be easy, > but the guitar is a much bigger deal. > > > > Therefore I think I'd be best served by a guitar that > will fit onboard and be playable but not something I'll get > all sentimental over. Should I just look for a vintage Hondo > II Chiquita (ka-ching!$) or an Erlewine Lazer (ka-ching > again!)? I've been told that even those Hohner Steinberger > copies are getting pricey. Maybe one of those novelty > mini-strats? Any ideas would most welcome and greatly > appreciated. > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 15:10:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F676183463; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 15:10:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 931531.44449.bm@omp1005.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1344179427; bh=atrVSkPW8oEGGGJbn8zmVo6+9vuvMxALwz5H4ZafHg4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DrRHaj1QUYY8/q/FnHez7Xlo3pdEFnpTqWPLHRzKg8TmPDeOk1fdsKzHnFyka59kpZyHUo1GRDUO3OBm4SH3zQ/kOXea4OF9U+ah0cpuFu/PSec2gNHt3tZN5gifY2lmwS5ttuDOBO3I7jTWGvQ20ZvVYL6Opc4JxVy/bJVildo= X-YMail-OSG: ehyATukVM1mYHQcXvOTEYx7bS9Gs_JQR7lpbi_4D6yLu6ma e1nV0URZJZx06pqyEam9Lh7pbflqnhkoHAcjsKIw6ozxyZISpaH5NrXT4nRl NZZx15GUgg_cOKe5MAaj2ssfHvIPpV1OovdqLNLd4owbqjZhNI0V43hmzDpY deo7.J2kBLFULuSyfhY6qFF.5zwp2D4t8ZxxZqqHb4BzMcdt5WX2hwxrZPQY zVROF51lc61u8bsj0sIDpmj3LtbkxdIqxTpsVW8sXCPXSiTEbCdPXeKTZMV1 tgTKMQ1dv2K4AKjQMjn3S.S5W6G.HQ_BD3UA_9syj7SryMvs6vyjMD_B9UcH b3EjLDxvTiunQStRx6hUDr5yV6LXx0gBGzA7y8nPa9p9BBncaz5EBWJr6V13 KK7_Hhwf0ZxQhMlUNJGnztVPkk6_bELY29wjRVwCYtVQVV0dkiIpLGE_0RAG 3jJ_Es3yI4LGdI5.hduORtO6hEBZAddli2q9jbt.NfDyL231dxLQH79xEutP 99dOVDVFSDkfVpjBiSMgJEPAHePklbc12qhyk4skXNqkuW2HUiz7808fncYD i6hLZ7X31z45bAUvR1VR.Bwz29SJptbvaP5ipwtssugC5EL3Sgc6cVobeZx6 BnbIIv_oEQnOAUBprKJprxyltOlG6kcWdu5HjvwyAxgcmBeFBc4WOxTpRUcE Q9pxPSAoRU8Dq63BbT1b0gej9PrsDFcUly4wv1zjknN.8FVYFP5ipCWmHVil a8ZN8542hvTQjcbNilcmnsmPIl5M8IB8LYhyk5lgqXJGh_mDvplkqBgH0EYE 8ykjwwidQFf8RCG7FcbXQlGc- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1344179426.75755.YahooMailClassic@web84516.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 08:10:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1282451020-1622225475-1344179426=:75755" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 15:10:29 +0000 (UTC) ---1282451020-1622225475-1344179426=:75755 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Mark. I'm stepping away from the computer now, so thanks in advance= to anyone else who weighs in! :D --- On Sun, 8/5/12, mark francombe wrote: From: mark francombe Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sunday, August 5, 2012, 7:53 AM I have to say, the simple answer is .. dont bring a great guitar! Luckily I= dont have this problem as I don=B4t HAVE a great guitar... Also dont worry= TOO much, before this list I had never heard of any trouble and have never= had any trouble... I used to routinely chuck my old Washburn guitar and Ta= kamine acoustic onto the baggage chute without even thinking about it...(wi= th normal hard shell cases). =0A=0AI also occasionally used a musical instrument shipping firm (Rock.it = Cargo I believe, dont know if they still exist) They will usually do a grea= t deal IF they are sending someone elses stuff (Some big touring band) to t= he same place, or a few weeks earlier... but then you often have to drive t= o an obscure warehouse in the neighborhood of the airport... =0A=0A This is my cue to re-tell (not for the first time on LD) my Rolling Stones = story. After RETURNING from the states, we had lost one flight case, but re= cieved someone elses case in its place. A quick check of the shipping sheet= revealed it belonged to the Rolling Stones and contained 1 x Inflatable Ho= nkyTonk Woman! =0A=0AWe thought this was so funny, that we decided to wait (after calling = our press officer so they could get a "funny story" in NME) about a month l= ater, the Rolling Stones Tour Mnager (or a minion) called asking if we want= ed to swap an inflatable woman for a box of broken crap guitars... we reluc= tantly agreed... =0A=0A=A0 --=20 Mark Francombe =0Awww.markfrancombe.com =0Awww.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 =0A=0Ahttp://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ =0A=0A =0A ---1282451020-1622225475-1344179426=:75755 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, Mark. I'm stepping away from the comp= uter now, so thanks in advance to anyone else who weighs in! :D


--- On Sun, 8/5/12, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.co= m> wrote:

From: mark francombe &= lt;mark@markfrancombe.com>
Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or no= t
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Sunday, August 5, 201= 2, 7:53 AM

I have to say, the simple answe= r is .. dont bring a great guitar! Luckily I dont have this problem as I do= n=B4t HAVE a great guitar... Also dont worry TOO much, before this list I h= ad never heard of any trouble and have never had any trouble... I used to r= outinely chuck my old Washburn guitar and Takamine acoustic onto the baggage chute = without even thinking about it...(with normal hard shell cases).
=0A=0AI= also occasionally used a musical instrument shipping firm (Rock.it Cargo I= believe, dont know if they still exist) They will usually do a great deal = IF they are sending someone elses stuff (Some big touring band) to the same= place, or a few weeks earlier... but then you often have to drive to an ob= scure warehouse in the neighborhood of the airport...
=0A=0A
This is = my cue to re-tell (not for the first time on LD) my Rolling Stones story. A= fter RETURNING from the states, we had lost one flight case, but recieved s= omeone elses case in its place. A quick check of the shipping sheet reveale= d it belonged to the Rolling Stones and contained 1 x Inflatable HonkyTonk = Woman!
=0A=0AWe thought this was so funny, that we decided to wait (afte= r calling our press officer so they could get a "funny story" in NME) about= a month later, the Rolling Stones Tour Mnager (or a minion) called asking = if we wanted to swap an inflatable woman for a box of broken crap guitars..= . we reluctantly agreed...
=0A=0A 


--
= Mark Francombe
=0Awww.markfrancombe.com
=0Awww.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/use= r825094
=0A=0Ah= ttp://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://w= ww.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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---1282451020-1622225475-1344179426=:75755-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 17:26:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7C48183465; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 17:26:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=piDMnonjaNoOnQ4EdxL1IGj60aZU6CpcBx4Aq1KoeAA=; b=nDIaXafcnAVZu75n4rnzvTeutw5Zg9TgTmz6jQiLvlS+3hLn15jBvHbGQyASRXi91q CwWKDlMganmnkwTF+3z8xBX+xpemNjPXd4Pivzem8l2gZSj/n+2ZqHrgUNoSGon4i+8K 9C7GSlDR5AvDq/dYMRKixUdyFmGag+npiaeTM2tiU8sFCwEn2T+qMZDNk1v03FZJ+PLp ZXHtYOC3jO8wfbFgoAiy4AROvQ/2RjXXGYI+2oWbFiZ65XgQFacuk3LLglnitZYLYQiW ZcYKoDbXUdV7HcVyZqTLzlPsqQcA06E6695m9O1HO005BL9vNJvJrK61qhMx7f1mAt3x GiDA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <501E71E3.6000100@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 11:26:14 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New discovery on EDP!!! From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 17:26:15 +0000 (UTC) Mark, Let us know how it works on Echoloop =97 I've transcribed your steps and will probably be trying it sometime over the next 3 weeks (either while flying to Helsinki or driving to Faribanks, Alaska =97 either way, I'm going to have number of LONG hours confined to smallish spaces with the laptop and iPad!). Can you post an audio example somewhere? Thanks! Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 7:17 AM, mark francombe wro= te: > ha ha... our mails crossed... yep I knew it would be nothing to YOU! How = I > wish I had a bit of ButlerBoysen juice... > > > > > On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 3:15 PM, andy butler wrot= e: >> >> >> >> mark francombe wrote: >> >>> Instead I got 8 variations (probably levels of undo) of the noise layer >> >> >> yup, you undid(undoed?) into the loop history of the evolving single >> section loop. >> >> >> andy >> >> > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 17:36:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4954C183461; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 17:36:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=22TFr5Hcf9LBvkyxPln1i5AR+Ar1uycoYk5O4lsHDcw=; b=Cmm9xQt9nHAC2EJdajflQOYv99fvwKk0A/+URMub5GH9mSYzynq2o1Ayt+c56GEOpa jkCC/tpNXPawCmg9veZxU+vB4ROeLDwoUZxm77ql9xNgycn7efxTxIXUnOxnwxXhkgx4 Sol51lYAX8Ixj/clCdnppY4K9s6P3+OvBkCfkaibsrxcWBxOdWDXAc2eHRny4DPbHOxo R5XROEIkBWFAtq9kPOTgvzZ5WMFA2eGivxfOyX+o7fY+RTHhqgWfsHMAc5+yUqnW3Z2X gV1lvKRtETMNSTdV/OTgDR5i+CiQjG5/ExBTI86R/cqBDncvC9v1T98zthCqTBToPqqx MRDA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <501E71E3.6000100@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 19:36:06 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: vy1auqDs21yGJRSYsw8_cyuT8CY Message-ID: Subject: Re: New discovery on EDP!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b62473c6449df04c68833a8 Resent-Message-ID: <3XnGt.A.Pe.c8qHQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 17:36:28 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b62473c6449df04c68833a8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ill give it a go now Dennis.. glad to hear you are still making the Helsinki trip... all still on for Sound of Mu then? On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Dennis Moser wrote= : > Mark, > > Let us know how it works on Echoloop =97 I've transcribed your steps and > will probably be trying it sometime over the next 3 weeks (either > while flying to Helsinki or driving to Faribanks, Alaska =97 either way, > I'm going to have number of LONG hours confined to smallish spaces > with the laptop and iPad!). > > Can you post an audio example somewhere? > > Thanks! > > Dennis > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 7:17 AM, mark francombe > wrote: > > ha ha... our mails crossed... yep I knew it would be nothing to YOU! Ho= w > I > > wish I had a bit of ButlerBoysen juice... > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 3:15 PM, andy butler > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> mark francombe wrote: > >> > >>> Instead I got 8 variations (probably levels of undo) of the noise lay= er > >> > >> > >> yup, you undid(undoed?) into the loop history of the evolving single > >> section loop. > >> > >> > >> andy > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Mark Francombe > > www.markfrancombe.com > > www.ordoabkhao.com > > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > > http://www.looop.no > > twitter @markfrancombe > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > > > --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b62473c6449df04c68833a8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ill give it a go now Dennis.. glad to hear you are still making the Helsink= i trip... all still on for Sound of Mu then?



On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Dennis Moser = <sinsofmach= aut@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark,

Let us know how it works on Echoloop =97 I've transcribed your steps an= d
will probably be trying it sometime over the next 3 weeks (either
while flying to Helsinki or driving to Faribanks, Alaska =97 either way, I'm going to have number of LONG hours confined to smallish spaces
with the laptop and iPad!).

Can you post an audio example somewhere?

Thanks!

Dennis

http://soundclo= ud.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com=
http://usrsla= shsbin.angrek.com/


On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 7:17 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
> ha ha... our mails crossed... yep I knew it would be nothing to YOU! H= ow I
> wish I had a bit of ButlerBoysen juice...
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 3:15 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>
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>> mark francombe wrote:
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>>> Instead I got 8 variations (probably levels of undo) of the no= ise layer
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>> yup, you undid(undoed?) into the loop history of the evolving sing= le
>> section loop.
>>
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>> andy
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Mark Francombe
> www.markfra= ncombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao= .com
> http://vimeo= .com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no<= /a>
> twitter @markfrancombe
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
>




--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
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--047d7b62473c6449df04c68833a8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 18:00:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76DEA183464; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 18:00:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=s6xOguvdrlQBhb5HCrLo5CSS/jFEtsOEGiHjmfVX6BE=; b=JTcJ8KpiudJ6ZMW1/b0CzxiqF4VkN7dSU9DEHr+ei3fTD5a27CZvpK7D92l9aujD8C +qc0gNKFL0zlWRDk6wbK079iSndzvk5jOI+iOlUxJ0TxNIgPvhTr6jQPdffDy6ABGK1i I8AUC2yHDCDuTy1Ru8ogImR7er6MYE52UjK24z2q+5PMlri+qVxxcdeLVGxnk5t47psp BxO8yM/pizezd4SlBibUc4tjKFJIOHa8D7KX9g5Rk3xG4EwSv9jMVlId0hGtT2zgl1sK uafcm4X+oTR6R/PzLHZNbc+Tn1te6DmSW4mt3bY8BaewMqCg2M4ECAeBNeXb01CUZkRj oJfA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <501E71E3.6000100@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:00:50 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New discovery on EDP!!! From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 18:00:51 +0000 (UTC) Mark, That would be very cool if you can! Looks like I'm just going to be able to get to Helsinki for the Conference and maybe shoot over to Tallinn to tour the National Library. My audio/musical adventures are going to be limited to doing as much field recording as I can (I'm bringing a TASCAM im2 that will be attached to my iPhone) and then as much post-processing as possible (hence my comment about trying your trick with Echoloop and the iPad!). Won't be able to bring much of any other gear with me (I'm enjoying Tim M.' posts about traveling with a guitar! I think Per has the right idea =97 just don't bring a guitar!) so the TASCAM and the shotgun mics are staying at home. REQUISITE LOOPING CONTENT: (aside from looking forward to Mark's audio sample and trying his tip!) =97 I'm currently working with creating some fairly massive MIDI delay lines in Plogue Bidule. "Massive" as in multiple minutes of delay, then using a feedback loop to create infinite ones. Using the Little MIDI Machine on the iPad2 to drive the soft synths in Bidule (this morning I'm using the Arturia Mini-Moog and Camel Alchemy ones). Some interesting things happening but periodically triggering the iPad sequencer to feed some input into the delay line =85 the sounds actually seem to be evolving (either that or my brain is perceiving it that way =97 either one works for me). It's all running over a wireless network connection between iPad and MacBook; nothing really special there, but it will be fun to start linking it up through Echoloop and messing about with that, too! Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 11:36 AM, mark francombe wr= ote: > Ill give it a go now Dennis.. glad to hear you are still making the Helsi= nki > trip... all still on for Sound of Mu then? > > > > > On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Dennis Moser > wrote: >> >> Mark, >> >> Let us know how it works on Echoloop =97 I've transcribed your steps and >> will probably be trying it sometime over the next 3 weeks (either >> while flying to Helsinki or driving to Faribanks, Alaska =97 either way, >> I'm going to have number of LONG hours confined to smallish spaces >> with the laptop and iPad!). >> >> Can you post an audio example somewhere? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Dennis >> >> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin >> http://audiozoloft.com >> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 7:17 AM, mark francombe >> wrote: >> > ha ha... our mails crossed... yep I knew it would be nothing to YOU! H= ow >> > I >> > wish I had a bit of ButlerBoysen juice... >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 3:15 PM, andy butler >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> mark francombe wrote: >> >> >> >>> Instead I got 8 variations (probably levels of undo) of the noise >> >>> layer >> >> >> >> >> >> yup, you undid(undoed?) into the loop history of the evolving single >> >> section loop. >> >> >> >> >> >> andy >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Mark Francombe >> > www.markfrancombe.com >> > www.ordoabkhao.com >> > http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> > http://www.looop.no >> > twitter @markfrancombe >> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >> > >> > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 18:48:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FDB218345C; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 18:48:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=eIcsH1oXwHxoG1CIVFKhuCS9ulxH3Q/E5aurXYe7NGQ=; b=EjKCOoPWw49PsSOVlBQvuQXqbvEPpahs/QSHC+xrsg8xSLDJ0gI/XUiEWwkWoT/W+N VB3z+SEbGNZ5dvDf9HEvnhSwYBry2eWco6kPG9sJFCrl4pOEGW6s2lgiBCaSk0AcrX5a /kiaHqePNirOihEIkxaHxbiMBZSw+Dr/aBFBtP0Qkb+8JQrfD4vJbwTH+iEp7t8pxxN8 Z1Xb2yuY2MPh+62DeByKBQLnHfkaipPtVeLGBaSOppNvX5GjzU6tzt2UwU1bZyBJm8WH uU+XX0a5B+rfbDjPFEMbUl9dnc/HAqZbr8W97EdJbWiC41n9WtJ1TR4fi3sdIfiR6bBN rYMQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <501E71E3.6000100@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 20:47:38 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: c5KTGIVwCPNPHqHNCCUtScNB8VE Message-ID: Subject: Re: New discovery on EDP!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6dc2d237922e04c68933c5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 18:48:00 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b6dc2d237922e04c68933c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Dennis Moser wrote: > Mark, > > That would be very cool if you can! > > OK just knocked up a patch in AudioMulch, with just echoloop, and the mike input (dont have my interface handy.. at the wrong house.. grrr) Heres the screencast I made... not terribly musical... https://www.dropbox.com/s/4vqye85tg0pmrkm/echoloop_overdub_unscrambling.mov Its NOT working exactly as I thought it did on EDP... but SORT OF... If a make a short loop... then overdub for the equivalent of 8 cycles length.... TEN multiply out to 8 cycles and UNDO, then my cunning plan (which is what I thought it was doing on EDP) is that it would Unravel that stacked up mess of 8 layers of overdubs, into one coherent whole... it nearly works... I would expect to hit undo 8 times, or maybe just once. On the EDP it took a few hits and it sounded right (which after all is the main thing)... ON echoloop, it seems to do ok for about half the overdubs but then they come back so now I have to go back and really test the EDP thing again. -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b6dc2d237922e04c68933c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Dennis M= oser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark,

That would be very cool if you can!


OK just kn= ocked up a patch in AudioMulch, with just echoloop, and the mike input (don= t have my interface handy.. at the wrong house.. grrr)


Heres the= screencast I made... not terribly musical...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4vqye85tg0pmrkm/echoloop_overdub= _unscrambling.mov

Its NOT working exactly as I thought it did on= EDP... but SORT OF... If a make a short loop... then overdub for the equiv= alent of 8 cycles length.... TEN multiply out to 8 cycles and UNDO, then my= cunning plan (which is what I thought it was doing on EDP) is that it woul= d Unravel that stacked up mess of 8 layers of overdubs, into one coherent w= hole... it nearly works... I would expect to hit undo 8 times, or maybe jus= t once. On the EDP it took a few hits and it sounded right (which after all= is the main thing)... ON echoloop, it seems to do ok for about half the ov= erdubs but then they come back

so now I have to go back and really test the EDP thing again.

--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.c= om/photos/24478662@N00/

--047d7b6dc2d237922e04c68933c5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 19:36:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E53E183462; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 19:36:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <501ECB1A.1060104@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 12:35:54 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mark francombe CC: loopers-delight Subject: Re: New discovery on EDP!!! References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060500090005080400070805" Resent-Message-ID: <22LikB.A.rjB.issHQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 19:36:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060500090005080400070805 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Would you be into sonically documenting this and posting it (perhaps with a voice over of what you are doing) I'm not sure I follow you completely but this sounds really cool. yours, Rick On 8/5/12 5:05 AM, mark francombe wrote: > I have to say once again that the edp is the most amazing instrument, > Today, in an offhand jam (having a day off from the country back in my > town house studio) I did something on the EDP that I have NEVER done > before, and didnt know was possible... It blew my mind, and have to > keep testing... Im not sure if I got this right. This is after about > 12 years of using an EDP... I STILL discover new things... > *Ill recount exactly what I did and then go back and try again.* > > EDP set to 8ths quant on,, > First I made a short half second loop, and multiplyed out to 8 cycles > with a new bit of audio played during the mult. > Then I RE-multiplied down to 1 cycle again... (I dont think I pressed > any UNDOs at this stage for windowing, but cant be sure) > Then I pressed overdub (NOT INSERT) on and played, many layers quickly > stacked up... pure distorted noise basically... > THEN.. I re multiplyed back up to 8 cycles... > Here I expected it to have 7 cycles of the PRE overdubbed layer and 1 > cycle of pure noise (from the stacked up overdub) > BUT that is NOT what came back...!!! > Instead I got 8 variations (probably levels of undo) of the noise > layer IN REVERSE!!! not reverse reverse, but reverse undo-ing up to > full strength!! > It was very very cool!!! > > I then had to take a phone call and write a mail or two, and find > mysef writing on LD... > Im off to the studio again to check this.. see if I cant replicate it, > and see if I can get what I WAS after a different way... > > > -- > /_Mark Francombe_/ > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > --------------060500090005080400070805 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Would you be into sonically documenting this and posting it (perhaps with a voice over of what you are doing)
I'm not sure I follow you completely but this sounds really cool.

yours,   Rick



On 8/5/12 5:05 AM, mark francombe wrote:
I have to say once again that the edp is the most amazing instrument, Today, in an offhand jam (having a day off from the country back in my town house studio) I did something on the EDP that I have NEVER done before, and didnt know was possible... It blew my mind, and have to keep testing... Im not sure if I got this right. This is after about 12 years of using an EDP... I STILL discover new things...
Ill recount exactly what I did and then go back and try again.

EDP set to 8ths quant on,,
First I made a short half second loop, and multiplyed out to 8 cycles with a new bit of audio played during the mult.
Then I RE-multiplied down to 1 cycle again... (I dont think I pressed any UNDOs at this stage for windowing, but cant be sure)
Then I pressed overdub (NOT INSERT) on and played, many layers quickly stacked up... pure distorted noise basically...
THEN.. I re multiplyed back up to 8 cycles...
Here I expected it to have 7 cycles of the PRE overdubbed layer and 1 cycle of pure noise (from the stacked up overdub)
BUT that is NOT what came back...!!!
Instead I got 8 variations (probably levels of undo) of the noise layer IN REVERSE!!! not reverse reverse, but reverse undo-ing up to full strength!!
It was very very cool!!!

I then had to take a phone call and write a mail or two, and find mysef writing on LD...
Im off to the studio again to check this.. see if I cant replicate it, and see if I can get what I WAS after a different way...


--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/


--------------060500090005080400070805-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 20:59:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED9C2183461; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 20:59:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <501EDE9C.7080004@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 16:59:08 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #800 for August 2, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 20:59:13 +0000 (UTC) Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #800 August 2, 2012. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels?playlist_date=08-02-2012 RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on The Tangent Project. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Return." PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) AeTopus Star Navigator Between Empire (12 Ton) AeTopus Vast Between Empire (12 Ton) Steve Roach Part 4 Groove Immersion (Timeroom) Amongst Myselves Greybox Shadow Ambient, Landscapes, and Space (Into the Light (none) Mix) Amongst Myselves Bay of Dreams Ambient, Landscapes, and Space (Through the (none) Memories Mix) Divine Matrix Strato Volcano Atmospheric Variations (A. D. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 21:25:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45E9E183462; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:25:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=8xtVUvwZmOxvrutf3ZG5dzcg4XcXj9CunGnpaphQyKg=; b=lwZCOdw34xIgbvq2Lz+8A5YvBGt7d92ZwcHZdg/lyl7alHbH0OKurFdVshhz8vzCxg I8fWOWQm2FShBRPFCuvn9gKtthRP+Tm27uMqbGjs10bLSNjCzHj3jIRfHtxQ9slKvTgg 56kL3ibXJY/9jayksdbcj9AxdLNiHkT1VNDEtuW20vPS2kWvTDjTgDRd29y2zgAg3jQa GKoIeJrB5zJmUnDYnYDL/JxOVFTbEKsUw1/BILiWL+a+eCc0cwnMmU0+b7X5q+13EeFu YxHNoQo6kTMv0UUYkXTfZ2WBB07pCQbNfIK3Rm1hpcWRYHDyY7BSWttuaRR5I0IW9lMV zsFw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <501ECB1A.1060104@cruzio.com> References: <501ECB1A.1060104@cruzio.com> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 23:25:22 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: SItjY50zHHYJotd5dJ2KOTSTOHY Message-ID: Subject: Re: New discovery on EDP!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd648f84ebca104c68b6795 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:25:44 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd648f84ebca104c68b6795 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey Rick.. I guess cos you are doing the digest thing you might have missed my echoloop video. I dont have my recording gear set up right now so I cant record a EDP version. I havent confirmed yet whether EDP and echoloop act differently, Im sure Butler and Grob would be able to. In actual fact, I now realise that this is not infact a new discovery, its just the way EDP has always worked. I have probably done this exact thing like a million times before, but not with the right input to have noticed. Its really... yet again, an offshoot of the classic windowing functionality, except in reverse. Where windowing is to divide a larger loop into a small chunk and then move thru the chunks, actaully what we are doing is moving backwards through the EDPs undo memory layers. With THIS way round we really see how the EDP uses its memory. If you overdub, you are in actual fact just using up EDPs memory in a linear way, except that EDP plays it back "stacked" on top of each other. But when you multiply that small segment out to 8 for example. and then undo... instead of undoing back to a small chunk again (this is how Mobius would do it, which was after all based on EDP, but never did windowing) the EDP doe NOT RE-divide the loop. It leaves the loop at 8 cycles long, but the undo functionality has to do something, so it lays out the memory in order, and in effect reconstructs the original performance. The only reason I noticed this is because in my jam earlier today, I divided back a larger loop, and forgot overdub was still on.. so when I played it got all stacked up.. To rectify this I multiplyed back out and thought that if I hit undo, Id get back to my original loop, but with one cycle of stacked up noise... instead the noise built up over the 8 cycles in a very cool and pleasing way, and I had one of those WTF moments... ...that we live/loop for! :-) -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --000e0cd648f84ebca104c68b6795 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Rick..

I guess cos you are doing the digest thing you might hav= e missed my echoloop video. I dont have my recording gear set up right now = so I cant record a EDP version.
I havent confirmed yet whether EDP and = echoloop act differently, Im sure Butler and Grob would be able to.

In actual fact, I now realise that this is not infact a new discovery, = its just the way EDP has always worked. I have probably done this exact thi= ng like a million times before, but not with the right input to have notice= d. Its really... yet again, an offshoot of the classic windowing functional= ity, except in reverse.

Where windowing is to divide a larger loop into a small chunk and then = move thru the chunks, actaully what we are doing is moving backwards throug= h the EDPs undo memory layers.
With THIS way round we really see how the= EDP uses its memory.
If you overdub, you are in actual fact just using up EDPs memory in a linea= r way, except that EDP plays it back "stacked" on top of each oth= er. But when you multiply that small segment out to 8 for example. and then= undo... instead of undoing back to a small chunk again (this is how Mobius= would do it, which was after all based on EDP, but never did windowing) th= e EDP doe NOT RE-divide the loop. It leaves the loop at 8 cycles long, but = the undo functionality has to do something, so it lays out the memory in or= der, and in effect reconstructs the original performance.

The only reason I noticed this is because in my jam earlier today, I di= vided back a larger loop, and forgot overdub was still on.. so when I playe= d it got all stacked up.. To rectify this I multiplyed back out and thought= that if I hit undo, Id get back to my original loop, but with one cycle of= stacked up noise... instead the noise built up over the 8 cycles in a very= cool and pleasing way, and I had one of those WTF moments...

...that we live/loop for!

:-)



--
M= ark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
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--000e0cd648f84ebca104c68b6795-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 21:41:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC0C9183463; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:41:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0041454917==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120805214110.11078.20363.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 17:41:11 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Suggestion: the creation of a tape-themed mailing list Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:41:23 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0041454917== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello!=20For=20those=20of=20you=20who=20use=20tape=20and=20tape=20looping= =20(including=20cassette=20tapes),=20I=20have=20a=20great=20 idea:=20Let's=20set=20up=20a=20website=20and=20mailing=20list=20dedicated= =20to=20people=20who=20convert=20tapes=20(both=20audio=20and=20 video)=20into=20digital=20format.=20Or=20any=20analogue=20format=20into=20d= igital.=20Let's=20call=20the=20site=20 Tapeville.=20But=20before=20I=20set=20it=20up,=20I=20need=20to=20know=20who= =20would=20like=20a=20resource=20like=20that.=20All=20about=20converting=20 tape=20into=20digital.=20There's=20more=20than=20one=20way=20to=20convert= =20a=20tape.=20This=20would=20not=20be=20just=20about=20looping;=20people= =20who=20send=20 radio=20show=20episodes=20to=20radio=20archivers,=20or=20people=20who=20get= =20rid=20of=20all=20their=20old=20tapes,=20but=20convert=20them=20 to=20digital=20before=20throwing=20them=20away. Tyler=20Z --===============0041454917==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 00:01:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A816183460; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 00:01:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=otob68iyF58SYXQomqXhQQGLLp6Rw+37bMjp8/kkj5g= c=1 sm=2 a=vk0gaRjENiAA:10 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=b7hVOT-bAAAA:8 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=OUXYneDTAAAA:8 a=lcz_zCmfvMw0igDrHjcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=053Au2P4wpAA:10 a=JuWhRuj3BywA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=OrKiINrE6IwA:10 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 172.218.152.1 Subject: Re: Suggestion: the creation of a tape-themed mailing list Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-831267226 From: richard sales In-Reply-To: <20120805214110.11078.20363.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 16:51:27 -0700 Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <05250F0A-2E27-4572-863F-C8C9C5CB0A1B@glasswing.com> References: <20120805214110.11078.20363.levelstar.mail@everest> To: Tyler X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 00:01:12 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-831267226 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I recently reacquired my old tape recorders back so I could remix, = resuscitate & at least digitally archive (without the 80's gated = reverbs, crummy EQ etc ) some of my works of antiquity.=20 Need to get the machines back up to speed. Need to bake the tapes. I'd = be interested in this. Don't reckon it would be smart to use the same = dehydrator we use for food! I use old tape echoes too... and the newer Fulltone Tube Tape echo which = I really love but isn't really relevant here I guess. There is homerecording.com which is actually fairly informative. Some = pretty deep tape head denizens wander the deeper waters there. I don't know how many of us are out there. Plenty studios still use = tape, but I'm not sure if they'd be interested. There is a member here (on loopers) who archives for Getty Images (I = think I have my groups correct). He seems to know his stuff about the = digital formats. The best storage I've found so far is Drobo. I have = 10 TBs of storage now. Waiting for HD costs to return to planet earth, = then I'll add more. richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.goodnaturefarms.com On Aug 5, 2012, at 2:41 PM, Tyler wrote: > Hello! For those of you who use tape and tape looping (including = cassette tapes), I have a great=20 > idea: Let's set up a website and mailing list dedicated to people who = convert tapes (both audio and=20 > video) into digital format. Or any analogue format into digital. Let's = call the site=20 > Tapeville. But before I set it up, I need to know who would like a = resource like that. All about converting=20 > tape into digital. There's more than one way to convert a tape. This = would not be just about looping; people who send=20 > radio show episodes to radio archivers, or people who get rid of all = their old tapes, but convert them=20 > to digital before throwing them away. > Tyler Z >=20 --Apple-Mail-3-831267226 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I = recently reacquired my old tape recorders back so I could remix, = resuscitate & at least digitally archive (without the 80's gated = reverbs, crummy EQ etc ) some of my works of antiquity. 
Need = to get the machines back up to speed.  Need to bake the tapes. =  I'd be interested in this.  Don't reckon it would be smart to = use the same dehydrator we use for food!
I use old tape echoes = too... and the newer Fulltone Tube Tape echo which I really love but = isn't really relevant here I guess.

There is homerecording.com which is = actually fairly informative.  Some pretty deep tape head denizens = wander the deeper waters there.

I don't know = how many of us are out there.  Plenty studios still use tape, but = I'm not sure if they'd be interested.

There is = a member here (on loopers) who archives for Getty Images (I think I have = my groups correct).  He seems to know his stuff about the digital = formats.  The best storage I've found so far is Drobo.  I have = 10 TBs of storage now.  Waiting for HD costs to return to planet = earth, then I'll add more.

richard sales
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On Aug 5, 2012, at 2:41 PM, Tyler wrote:

Hello! = For those of you who use tape and tape looping (including cassette = tapes), I have a great
idea: Let's set up a website and mailing list = dedicated to people who convert tapes (both audio and
video) into = digital format. Or any analogue format into digital. Let's call the site =
Tapeville. But before I set it up, I need to know who would like a = resource like that. All about converting
tape into digital. There's = more than one way to convert a tape. This would not be just about = looping; people who send
radio show episodes to radio archivers, or = people who get rid of all their old tapes, but convert them
to = digital before throwing them away.
Tyler = Z


= --Apple-Mail-3-831267226-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 00:51:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB8D1183466; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 00:51:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Subject: Re: Suggestion: the creation of a tape-themed mailing list From: Ed Durbrow In-Reply-To: <05250F0A-2E27-4572-863F-C8C9C5CB0A1B@glasswing.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 09:51:49 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9C6AFFDA-31AC-4887-ADC2-DA54AD29AA8B@sea.plala.or.jp> References: <20120805214110.11078.20363.levelstar.mail@everest> <05250F0A-2E27-4572-863F-C8C9C5CB0A1B@glasswing.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa04b; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 09:51:50 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 00:51:53 +0000 (UTC) My reply is completely off-topic to looping. On Aug 6, 2012, at 8:51 AM, richard sales wrote: > I recently reacquired my old tape recorders back so I could remix, = resuscitate & at least digitally archive (without the 80's gated = reverbs, crummy EQ etc ) some of my works of antiquity.=20 > Need to get the machines back up to speed. Need to bake the tapes. = I'd be interested in this. Don't reckon it would be smart to use the = same dehydrator we use for food! Isn't the tape baking thing specific to a certain brand of tape for = particular years in the 70s? I think it requires a special oven and = temperature. You can't just stick this in your cooking oven. Well, maybe = you can, but I would research it a bit or you may permanently ruin a = tape. Out of about 45 two inch tapes that I transferred in the 90s, I had one = that was impossible. It wouldn't even do one pass of one song on my MCI = 24 track, which had pretty strong motors, without just grinding to a = halt. There would be so much gunk on the heads that it took forever to = clean it off, then the same thing would happen again. Luckily, there was = nothing crucial to my life on that tape so I just gave up. I still have = about 10 good 2" tapes left that I plan to sell on Yahoo Auction or = throw out. And trashing is not easy, it took several tries to find a = recycle company that would take them for the aluminum. The public trash = company wanted about $5 a tape to throw out. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=3Dwatch http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 03:19:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54BEB183461; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 03:19:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 03:19:55 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 22:13:01 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Doctor T, Glynis Lomon, Dave Bryant, Joan Green 08.11, Outpost 186 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 03:19:55 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, Visual Music LIVE continues at Outpost 186 on Saturday at 8 PM. -- I'll be doing video improvisations with two long time collaborators and old friends, and one new collaborator -- two wonderful musicians and a equally wonderful dancer. Dr T - video mixing with: Set 1 : Glynis Lomon --- cello, aquasonic and voice / Joan Green Movement Set 2 : Dave Bryant -- keyboard(s) Set 3 : Everybody My projections are produced by mixing multiple DVD sources with a video mixer and effects processor. The sources consist of computer-manipulated original material derived from my still photography and videography. The original subject matter is usually recognizable, but sometimes processed to complete abstraction. Sometimes the projections and music respond directly to each other -- sometimes they simply co-exist. Outpost 186, 186 Hampshire St (in the back), near Inman Square, Cambridge MA Suggested donation, $10 617.876.0860 ~ all ages ~ http://www.zeitgeist-outpost.org Many of my finished video pieces (both studio and live) can be seen at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld. -- "I rang a silent bell ..." -- Robert Hunter "... cast your dancing spell my way, I promise to go under it" -- Bob Dylan My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 03:43:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 990BF183462; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 03:43:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <997F2320-B359-48E4-9353-EF01241F73BF@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: New discovery on EDP!!! Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 20:43:35 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <5_IRBD.A.vNG.u1zHQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 03:43:42 +0000 (UTC) > mark francombe wrote: > >> Instead I got 8 variations (probably levels of undo) of the noise >> layer > > Andy Butler wrote: > > yup, you undid(undoed?) into the loop history of the evolving single > section loop. During my recent beta test experiments with the LP-2 I have been putting multiple undo through its paces, and have had some similar experiences including realizing that as long as the LP-2 sees an overdub command first, I can quantize replace to my hearts content and when I go to undo it will take me back to the next layer. If I build of several layers in this way with different commands of reverse and feedback reduction thrown in to the stew, as I peal back the layers via undo it will take me all the way back to my first loop and also remember all of the fades and track manipulations along the way. Is this similar to the phenomena you are experiencing with your EDP, Mark? Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 03:58:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0966718345E; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 03:58:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3602 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 03:58:56 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_wBTreBvBbFjpFEun1Laqhg)" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-08-06_02:2012-08-03,2012-08-06,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1208050370 From: Teddy Kumpel Subject: Re: OT compressor stompbox Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 22:58:50 -0400 In-reply-to: <000301cd7260$94f47cd0$bedd7670$@de> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000301cd7260$94f47cd0$bedd7670$@de> Message-id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 03:58:56 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_wBTreBvBbFjpFEun1Laqhg) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT The new Phisopher's Rock by Pigtronix is the new standard for that really much better than the Old Philosopher's tone On Aug 4, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > I love compressors for my guitar that let some attack sound through but then make a loooong linear sustain. Any recommendations for a small compressor stomp box that can do that kind of radical sustain? -Michael > > > --Boundary_(ID_wBTreBvBbFjpFEun1Laqhg) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable The new Phisopher's Rock by Pigtronix is the new = standard for that
really much better than the Old Philosopher's = tone

On Aug 4, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Michael Peters = wrote:

I love = compressors for my guitar that let some attack sound through but then = make a loooong linear sustain. Any = recommendations for a small compressor stomp box that can do that kind = of radical sustain?   -Michael
 
 
 

= --Boundary_(ID_wBTreBvBbFjpFEun1Laqhg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 05:43:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D95A18345A; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 05:43:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=M7hDfgu1XH0oUlRsiXUnITWm9cJCLigXcE0fd746VW8=; b=r6Nip35jVfyTsAOVAhvkBBkD44rxblWklMywMqWaAaeXL0uWjuh5gNL3V2SXedcpHN kFIoSm9dbwd1nZVPpSORQ1OseOcsjL0DZwK0+bGkkTqeR+LmScv3jR3R/t4CUgHO/2h+ qJtFI3D04zotvOgW7hQxKSf2FD+SMegAfX/tY9E5PKXsxpY/j8fCYzN1ZRf+t3kXoTMg NEV63/ZFDUnbpiBACEFcMPERp42zpZDScejD4t2/KyEK3eTiMlEdX640WHb8up2rT8BD b8JyiN83y7MiaEvVyOywacfjBiLeoxu5ERdBVNCt3IcjOJfoa/htASvz7ACi6H9RnaPB cIQA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <997F2320-B359-48E4-9353-EF01241F73BF@baymoon.com> References: <997F2320-B359-48E4-9353-EF01241F73BF@baymoon.com> From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 07:43:01 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: W7heKGrWT_mr6ryCkpZF56aWjNo Message-ID: Subject: Re: New discovery on EDP!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b343ee60a107104c6925b83 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 05:43:22 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b343ee60a107104c6925b83 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:43 AM, William Walker wrote: Is this similar to the phenomena you are experiencing with your EDP, Mark? > Bill > > Not really Bill, well a bit.. the thing with edp is that the UNDO is NOT like on a computer.. its not undo the last thing you did. Because if it was, then if you multipled a loop by 4, then hit undo, the EDP does not go back to the original loop, so no... you dont see what you did, but in reverse. If you undo a multiply, it wil instead peel back an undo layer of the whole 4 bars. This is the fundement of windowing... Ahh so maybe I now see what you are saying Bill, maybe it is simerlar... But try my thing on the LP1 or 2 Bill...?? 1, shortloop 2, overdub... build up an unholy noise, maybe 8 or so layers... 3, multiply 8 4, undo... 5, see what happens! If it goes back to short loop, unholy noise, then its not doing the same as EDP... more logical perhaps.. but absolutely NO FUN! If it lays you unholy noise out for you one layer after another, then yes... its EDP-ish... And lovely! M -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b343ee60a107104c6925b83 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:43 AM, William = Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:

=A0Is thi= s similar to the phenomena you are experiencing with your EDP, Mark?
=A0Bill


Not really Bill, well a bit.. the thing with edp is = that the UNDO is NOT like on a computer.. its not undo the last thing you d= id. Because if it was, then if you multipled a loop by 4, then hit undo, th= e EDP does not go back to the original loop, so no... you dont see what you= did, but in reverse. If you undo a multiply, it wil instead peel back an u= ndo layer of the whole 4 bars. This is the fundement of windowing...

Ahh so maybe I now see what you are saying Bill, maybe it is simerlar..= .

But try my thing on the LP1 or 2 Bill...??

1, shortloop
= 2, overdub... build up an unholy noise, maybe 8 or so layers...
3, multi= ply 8
4, undo...
5, see what happens!

If it goes back to short loop, u= nholy noise, then its not doing the same as EDP... more logical perhaps.. b= ut absolutely NO FUN! If it lays you unholy noise out for you one layer aft= er another, then yes... its EDP-ish... And lovely!

M

--
Mark Francombe<= br> www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
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--047d7b343ee60a107104c6925b83-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 09:30:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7ED0D183463; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 09:30:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 793124295/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.185.244/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.185.244 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAD+NH1BV0rn0/2dsb2JhbAANOLxlAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYgDqASTL48ygxwDmxGNJA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,719,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="793124295" Message-ID: <501F8EAF.1020000@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 10:30:23 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New discovery on EDP!!! References: <501E71E3.6000100@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 09:30:16 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > Its NOT working exactly as I thought it did on EDP... but SORT OF... If May be slight differences, but the essentials of going back through loop memory should be the same. Remember LongPress and ShortPress will do somewhat different things too. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 10:07:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1862183461; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 10:07:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 793137308/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.185.244/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.185.244 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAK6WH1BV0rn0/2dsb2JhbAANOLxlAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYgDp3GTPo8ygxwDmxGNJA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,719,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="793137308" Message-ID: <501F9770.8030509@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 11:07:44 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New discovery on EDP!!! References: <997F2320-B359-48E4-9353-EF01241F73BF@baymoon.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <224lTB.A.uaB.pd5HQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 10:07:37 +0000 (UTC) compared to LP2 > Is this similar to the phenomena you are experiencing with your EDP, Mark? The difference is Multiply. On EDP/Echoloop it's the interaction between Undo and Multiply which produces Loop Windowing. You're going back through the memory, but what creates the interest is that the loop length you're hearing is different from the loop length when the material was recorded/overdubbed. This could be either a repeated fragment from a long solo, stepping back with each press of Undo, or like Mark's example allowing you to hear the construction of the loop over and over again in one long loop. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 10:40:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC54D183463; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 10:40:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=FXKpmkxEC70F/DXdgDSCWoDBSV46x61PWI0jim/BDxg=; b=lGtaz3/hFL3aNyaJKO5825jtTwuFaGfj0BWGxe26TUQi/k/3xsGklUSfykUEej8vEm whld/mIhX2swotAhX9/WuAfU/8q2Z4oZDnv/iiGlBYu8HCq+ZQtBMdTREIBvLkf6TA4Z HdAZxLEBhmztYEHKpDT9GZJO3UMmKucOYKQaeCq/LLvkt/UYk4bxlcUq7JSd6jpGW0G8 dJUCcgiv70ieQc3c9a624VdSXDUH07ymZHnZrRAzKkKc8NwC1Cj0vGsiHR9jL7qxXIIz 5/YZXkpnTOdFS031X9Qs26n6ic0DM+s0hMFpu4tiaoMsu4K0Y3/aW25456AjHPfbcsF9 8o/w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 06:40:02 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: midi foot controller theory From: r williford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f839b230b7f8204c69680f8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 10:40:03 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f839b230b7f8204c69680f8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I've been thinking of getting a midi foot controller for looping software. I don't see many options besides the behringer fcb1010 which seems pretty cool and is about my price range. Currently Ive been getting by with just one a sustain pedal Using ableton's looper and cycler-looper I've also modified a computer keyboard by taking off all the keys and putting a few back on. Haven't actually tried it yet but I think I can hit about 5 buttons independently Any suggestions on midi foot controllers? Thanks for the feedback. Happy loopin -Robin --e89a8f839b230b7f8204c69680f8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been thinking of getting a midi foot controller for looping softwa= re.
I don't see many options besides the behringer fcb1010 which se= ems pretty cool and is about my price range.
Currently Ive been g= etting by with just one a sustain pedal =A0Using ableton's looper and c= ycler-looper
I've also modified a computer keyboard by taking off all the keys = and putting a few back on.=A0
Haven't actually tried it yet b= ut I think I can hit =A0about 5 buttons independently=A0
Any sugg= estions on midi foot controllers?
Thanks for the feedback.=A0
Happy loopin
-Robin



--e89a8f839b230b7f8204c69680f8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 10:49:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D49DF183460; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 10:49:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4ii0q6GM6xZrA4a8u8ZId3uwtfNHfh8NIMRxp3+50mA=; b=q5O5StK253L51F1SQO8qQFEZer48xY9KgE2EPy3CzSAbJXyume87LJTYAayyuXKv/1 OdBDgJLqbuClOP7nfP76g8bqOu3BUc6XIWzO5ro+tpJJpM0h2KZ2aQrEvFxTSN64ddX7 aHXphMHYXh8HYJGzBA1O7VEwP+JWCxxRHmtJruO9vgxIuIBGLOy0YDErZzZ0GqQFQqp7 HXH/1iI62QbM3h/2c+VQyHa0WQEFo1f/RSpbex15HjtWhJj6ADI1B5ox5R9/w9mQ8Sk+ DIGY0uDNTonj/hvkdGYeWya+W48nnOXfuXfAw3KQtpeaFC8YPyzHWHGlOOWh1u4vV5h8 Vh4g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:49:47 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: midi foot controller theory From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 10:49:48 +0000 (UTC) The Behringer your mentioning is good. I've worn out three of them. They worked for about exactly three years. After that I resigned and invested in a Gordius Little Giant that is supposed to last longer and take common repair parts when needed. So in the long run that will be less expensive. Your subject line says "midi foot controller theory", so here is my answer to that: The theory is to set up the MIDI foot controller board in a logical way, then keep it like that and assign bindings in the software on the receiving software side. Program your pedalboard in as many banks as you need and set up each pad to send a MIDI Note, starting in bank 1 with Midi Note number #1. With both the FCB and the LG banks hold ten pads so the note numbers will correspond to banks and pad numbers. Neat. Then assign in the software whatever function you want to play to those note numbers. The expression pedals you may program to send any #CC number. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 12:40 PM, r williford wrote: > I've been thinking of getting a midi foot controller for looping software. > I don't see many options besides the behringer fcb1010 which seems pretty > cool and is about my price range. > Currently Ive been getting by with just one a sustain pedal Using ableton's > looper and cycler-looper > I've also modified a computer keyboard by taking off all the keys and > putting a few back on. > Haven't actually tried it yet but I think I can hit about 5 buttons > independently > Any suggestions on midi foot controllers? > Thanks for the feedback. > Happy loopin > -Robin > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 10:51:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66C9818345B; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 10:51:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=DqIW1M+UjljTnmTNAr76jq9zYXm65uUcjU5Lm1zPfGc=; b=FFCQ5z5JbXhvYxhMceOEbbsPvcm2eweCw7Xqlzdiu/01tWGKVS9h541v7HcbHdMyiE BZf62E/Udrceo2/QRt/Ti+l8gLWE+V1XcutvCv7fIQfXoirMQAS13mJTC1HgsDmIvDCn gAbhHjbbH7djwmG/vuYOq4r6WtzHD/9ggdu3/BjxSlbnEmA87G68mejg1sQV/ax+/A/b 3cSsJn/PBupF3YYtsQ0QmK6PYoj/gG+m/PZB4mPLTeo2GZMFLmL5rq0AlwWOWR6nnB8r PXG6sxI0EqiPgZ9kgs0usl/jD0cWM47B1o74FtiPw1SPjvWVN5etsmmjmuyGDvCxgEHH E4/w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:51:34 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Tutorial for Mobius in Mainstage updated From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 10:51:35 +0000 (UTC) For those who might be interested: I just made a little update to my Mainstage/Mobius tutorial. http://www.flickr.com/photos/15515975@N00/3957785619/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 11:03:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C246183464; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:03:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=JqrcAXWzO0fjiT4WUQfy43kePU2y/JD0z3pl7TMXdw8=; b=e8V9zlOm0JzuqFyxbOPVg29Vq/UhY0wjxVUJzoXOchqnsrKoxM3AP3S/tfbbQ98cMn Tm981YruxQMV4MiOFLr/4bVibg/1YdiJM0zET2rFFg7kC72GJPJyCwlP6DYEUdHPCGzt O5Og1AOyZmYPtnC1G23xOYOICoJNl3jEXq3nCMqcUOKSFBOpMpU4kTheGO/4IDXlZZTm ipyFv8e/PD9TW0wa41oo5u+F3f0iqkh5Q93Aq7JSS6u41bttzCO3LaNFIZ66SIBrFSDn mmKN7h5mOrriRrILB0vzfBnV34dTfIwIpIHuryoca4l5BeRZHeyfkUDaTzN8B7xfOAII J3Wg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <501F8EAF.1020000@tiscali.co.uk> References: <501E71E3.6000100@tiscali.co.uk> <501F8EAF.1020000@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:02:46 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ppqxedF8VlTv6U_m8joohS2HGMc Message-ID: Subject: Re: New discovery on EDP!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b603c12931a7704c696d262 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:03:08 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b603c12931a7704c696d262 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:30 AM, andy butler wrote: > mark francombe wrote: > > Its NOT working exactly as I thought it did on EDP... but SORT OF... If >> > > May be slight differences, but the essentials of going back through loop > memory should be the same. > OK thats good to know, I felt like there was a difference, but as I was not A/B testing, I couldnt be very scientific about it. > > Remember LongPress and ShortPress will do somewhat different things too. > Yes of course, but since Loop1V isnt the only difference that short press only undos FROM your foot down, UNTILL the end of loop, wheras Long Press takes away the whole layer? Is there more to it than that? Mark -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b603c12931a7704c696d262 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:30 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk= > wrote:
mark francombe wrote:

Its NOT working exactly as I thought it did on EDP... but SORT OF... If

May be slight differences, but the essentials of going back through loop me= mory should be the same.

OK thats good to know, I = felt like there was a difference, but as I was not A/B testing, I couldnt b= e very scientific about it.

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--047d7b603c12931a7704c696d262-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 11:43:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12C4E183460; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:43:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Subject: Re: midi foot controller theory From: Tristan Zand In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:43:22 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:43:25 +0000 (UTC) Thought it hasn't got the two integrated continuous controllers, and = thought I also use the FCB1010, I personally prefer Rolls' MP128, it's = smaller, I prefer the feel of the switches, and cheaper. It doesn't have = the complex programming stuff or that possibility to change the PROM = (I'm mainly thinking about the EurekaPROM chip that enables you to = control an AdrenaLinn, ..), but it's definitely my choice for all my = looping apparatus (Loopr, Live, JamMan, ...). I've had mine since the = mid-ninetees, and I use it everyday, in the studio or on the road. You = can also power it through the MIDI cable, which can be a plus. Here's a picture I took of both side by side: http://blog.loopr.net/2012/06/rolls-mp128-vs-behringer-fcb1010.html Hope that helps, Cheers, z On 6 ao=FBt 2012, at 12:40, r williford wrote: > I've been thinking of getting a midi foot controller for looping = software. > I don't see many options besides the behringer fcb1010 which seems = pretty cool and is about my price range. > Currently Ive been getting by with just one a sustain pedal Using = ableton's looper and cycler-looper > I've also modified a computer keyboard by taking off all the keys and = putting a few back on.=20 > Haven't actually tried it yet but I think I can hit about 5 buttons = independently=20 > Any suggestions on midi foot controllers? > Thanks for the feedback.=20 > Happy loopin > -Robin >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 11:46:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC494183461; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:45:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Subject: Re: midi foot controller theory From: Tristan Zand In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:45:58 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:45:59 +0000 (UTC) woouuu that Gordius one does look good! I wish they'd make the module for my MP128! ;) z On 6 ao=FBt 2012, at 12:49, Per Boysen wrote: > The Behringer your mentioning is good. I've worn out three of them. > They worked for about exactly three years. After that I resigned and > invested in a Gordius Little Giant that is supposed to last longer and > take common repair parts when needed. So in the long run that will be > less expensive. >=20 > Your subject line says "midi foot controller theory", so here is my > answer to that: >=20 > The theory is to set up the MIDI foot controller board in a logical > way, then keep it like that and assign bindings in the software on the > receiving software side. Program your pedalboard in as many banks as > you need and set up each pad to send a MIDI Note, starting in bank 1 > with Midi Note number #1. With both the FCB and the LG banks hold ten > pads so the note numbers will correspond to banks and pad numbers. > Neat. Then assign in the software whatever function you want to play > to those note numbers. The expression pedals you may program to send > any #CC number. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 12:40 PM, r williford = wrote: >> I've been thinking of getting a midi foot controller for looping = software. >> I don't see many options besides the behringer fcb1010 which seems = pretty >> cool and is about my price range. >> Currently Ive been getting by with just one a sustain pedal Using = ableton's >> looper and cycler-looper >> I've also modified a computer keyboard by taking off all the keys and >> putting a few back on. >> Haven't actually tried it yet but I think I can hit about 5 buttons >> independently >> Any suggestions on midi foot controllers? >> Thanks for the feedback. >> Happy loopin >> -Robin >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 13:09:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B17218345B; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:09:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 793206333/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.185.244/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.185.244 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBANPAH1BV0rn0/2dsb2JhbAANOLxsAQEBAwE4QAYLCw0UFg8JAwIBAgFFBgEVAYgDqAKTRJJOA5sRNYxv X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,720,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="793206333" Message-ID: <501FC217.2080900@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 14:09:43 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Matthias Grob Subject: Re: New discovery on EDP!!! References: <501E71E3.6000100@tiscali.co.uk> <501F8EAF.1020000@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:09:47 +0000 (UTC) Re: Undo on Echoloop vs EDP mark francombe wrote: > Yes of course, but since Loop1V isnt the only difference that short > press only undos FROM your foot down, UNTILL the end of loop, wheras > Long Press takes away the whole layer? Is there more to it than that? > It's different if you Undo while Overdubbing, because a shortpress still takes away the stuff you only just Overdubbed. I think it's Shortpress=Whole layer Longpress= just back to Loopstart (or the other way round) ...beyond that, the EDP is a bit unpredictable once you start Undoing repeatedly. For instance, if you keep on doing shortpresses it doesn't allow you to keep the first half the loop and gradually shift the second halve back through the history. I'd guess the Echoloop is a bit tidier in this respect, ...but have to ask Matt. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 13:16:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92EE6183452; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:16:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=sFk1ObiOE4f0UqCzTNr0ao53xZ9lcadB7F6kcb07+qQ=; b=eaIb6quLkqF4VobvOS4KiYdXnNrschz+SY+zrAxlNdc0NrSgVT4qdnX6aczk9ivrEe QjFMxVGbfaZmSN73hOqXek/9fO3XALV6Uyh38Xin9Mfg5u5epeuwYRj1R88GWczOcaC6 +WA1xGlcarWogG9Iin48UJkmpxEMI/WwE+NMaNF6S1C/rmoeZnsiSNXn/AD77VEnvmA4 45Icx4jhkG6Peg3nHhWSTF8wvF6J4PQta9u1mRuOiimLkiFaQz2nZWnBy0PqlRp1RNfQ 0ul4a5YZ85lYXtv+o4CDNVAAUaXeBN2RAqJXbjfmhvAlJ2BJKlVDPHI3mue78mqWRHSW smhA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <501FC217.2080900@tiscali.co.uk> References: <501E71E3.6000100@tiscali.co.uk> <501F8EAF.1020000@tiscali.co.uk> <501FC217.2080900@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 15:16:19 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ozqXWq6OT0mvpcszqY8qBrKdjTk Message-ID: Subject: Re: New discovery on EDP!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b621edc28269804c698b052 Resent-Message-ID: <1vdCJD.A.pmD.4O8HQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:16:40 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b621edc28269804c698b052 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 YIKES... Dont tidy it up too much... its very nice how it is...! On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 3:09 PM, andy butler wrote: > I'd guess the Echoloop is a bit tidier in this respect, -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b621edc28269804c698b052 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable YIKES... Dont tidy it up too much... its very nice how it is...!

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--047d7b621edc28269804c698b052-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 13:18:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B951183460; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:18:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=Xwr/9zbOyQYD8fTLI6DhfBixcgtRKpTFdgvT5c9EA64=; b=OqVxGvArKnxcVO7IxLsJ+Hy+mBzwfIqPizaTGQPkgsHzOYIiJfjppblCVAs4hTAEiT TtutWN0b+y2/0SASHCe2QqmRbAOEt66Kv/OUEg8txGIn0PL2XpvL7IwW/ExTFmhlmfLt dc+xv/SXByy5f2B0V2s7sq1SlBjHWliBE0G5LblDo5cuScYdCE6KW6543Pk3L3jZJpOc NMDmc22fn9cuzkrDDlX9UsP7x05TO0uUdKsZkbWUtAQn8Ed6Qgw7OfUF236RelvoQbTv jjw34C4r3VvM/flIMP/1G7FG5lD5LL27VjkZ3ZBS+UeTDzL28rN8SOXs7alnOkbY67tP StCw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Torben Scharling Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 15:17:22 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: midi foot controller theory To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:18:04 +0000 (UTC) Since you guys are on the topic. I've been meaning to make a post about it: What do you guys do about audible clicks when using pedals? So far I've only gotten the Boomerang III, a Boss LS-2, and an expression pedal. The Boomerang's clicks do bleed into the condenser mic that I'm using for vocals. I've tried experimenting with software gating, but for vocals, I have to set the threshold way too high for my taste, thus rendering it rather pointless. Since my bass slapping and other short attack noises bleed through into the mic, I guess I'll need to get an SM58 or something similar for live. But also related to midi pedals, I assume there's a difference depending which type of pedal system you use. So if other people have had these issues in the studio and/or live, and have bought midi pedals or mic's that specifically eliminate that problems, please do share :) I'm even going so far, as to looking into head worn mic's instead of on a stand, that way I could also focus more on my playing, instead of having to turn my head towards the mic. I do think it may come of a bit too cheesy, as I'm not doing a Britney Spears type of show, and don't wanna look like a total circus clown. But I am looking for, I guess as many of you, to have a simple, hands-off live setup. Perhaps we need a "What's your live setup, and why" thread... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 13:33:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E879718345D; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:33:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=xREUziVKUfUJwrRSXpJSo87Hh0WYNtaaVAoAi2rpjvU=; b=FkaB08vyFtWelqkwzJ1w1dHKwUJmO9OwmGu7almxW5AN2yyDbkBhJkKLSLuBl9U/ih TypzSbcBRORYbUtLvFVsPTH8BFvyGqRfraxhcizYINdz4/2/KbVQNwFpjDofZtnCUw9M 1BonV9e+5gl+esHBk7wg6gQ+MZB7bmomyuie3WQwoMcdjJYpUOm1bkoeAI98tbdRShdt 2W0+aL5QgQXCRIBCCp7TQs6x8NZmb+EwYlpXiTX+30G9Orq/Bc31fTNjtvlLJIjKmCYE fI58dTe9aucd2xnTesYKqEMgWRVtGk5tk2bVFTsHEcLHKzZCW8kcjnrwD49PvOcYp80f mNQA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 15:33:37 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: midi foot controller theory From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <-WXLbD.A.a5D.ye8HQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:33:38 +0000 (UTC) I've been doing some flute playing with live looping and that is pretty close to singing (in a tech/gear regard). My solution is to keep a control for the mic and only open the input line when I play a note. I've found that it works well with a MIDI expression pedal but also with momentary switch where you place a foot on the switch to let sound through the mic (any time you are not standing on the switch no sound will pass through the mic). This works on incredibly loud PA systems, referring to the audio feedback danger. One can also use an extremely close-up input mic. I will try this now, as my SM58 was stolen and since I've always liked the sound of the Beta more I'm replacing it with a TC Helicon MP70; also a super cardioid mic but less feedback prone due to its extreme proximity effect. You need to be careful with the correct (close) distans to the mic but it will cover less of ambient sound that you don't want (like audible pedal clicks or slapping strings) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Torben Scharling wrote: > Since you guys are on the topic. I've been meaning to make a post > about it: What do you guys do about audible clicks when using pedals? > So far I've only gotten the Boomerang III, a Boss LS-2, and an > expression pedal. The Boomerang's clicks do bleed into the condenser > mic that I'm using for vocals. I've tried experimenting with software > gating, but for vocals, I have to set the threshold way too high for > my taste, thus rendering it rather pointless. Since my bass slapping > and other short attack noises bleed through into the mic, I guess I'll > need to get an SM58 or something similar for live. > > But also related to midi pedals, I assume there's a difference > depending which type of pedal system you use. So if other people have > had these issues in the studio and/or live, and have bought midi > pedals or mic's that specifically eliminate that problems, please do > share :) I'm even going so far, as to looking into head worn mic's > instead of on a stand, that way I could also focus more on my playing, > instead of having to turn my head towards the mic. I do think it may > come of a bit too cheesy, as I'm not doing a Britney Spears type of > show, and don't wanna look like a total circus clown. But I am looking > for, I guess as many of you, to have a simple, hands-off live setup. > Perhaps we need a "What's your live setup, and why" thread... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 13:48:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56C6518345C; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:48:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zWCoxMsnNCPz1wtSxyxDFwe+S+yQ0tfRSvLEAoM4KzM=; b=ucX9YKvdgXAO4R06uKJfrjFnPfufwNWAJX5lR8YmH0xDdoAdUhLYvRfDXp/hvQ3o6m SY/uhsC+XnmHZdfzEkSI471f0voIRLJo8bvrtfURZYOR/CpvjP/lE4iFqFNbKF4nKYom wdzCP+bhN2VqfWBUGA0jqVbwoetezpOUh5WxZZ9PrOF4aNOb3P7t5/cP3LRQd26YftlG euB+7rzn1IZM6YwE5D2d4SrEev/L7YIP6Slugp/TkIWut6smy0cJ522FJIUw39Vlz34E +qXLz7s4tfBKOOUA+ESMbuPInoagivItHDHYRygftEBw04GBw6PtoEabsT/6fsalC2Nc hu8g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 07:48:39 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: midi foot controller theory From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:48:40 +0000 (UTC) Hey, Tristan =97 Am looking at your Loopr app and had a couple of questions. I'll ping you directly. Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:43 AM, Tristan Zand wrote: > Thought it hasn't got the two integrated continuous controllers, and thou= ght I also use the FCB1010, I personally prefer Rolls' MP128, it's smaller,= I prefer the feel of the switches, and cheaper. It doesn't have the comple= x programming stuff or that possibility to change the PROM (I'm mainly thin= king about the EurekaPROM chip that enables you to control an AdrenaLinn, .= .), but it's definitely my choice for all my looping apparatus (Loopr, Live= , JamMan, ...). I've had mine since the mid-ninetees, and I use it everyday= , in the studio or on the road. You can also power it through the MIDI cabl= e, which can be a plus. > Here's a picture I took of both side by side: > http://blog.loopr.net/2012/06/rolls-mp128-vs-behringer-fcb1010.html > Hope that helps, > Cheers, > z > > On 6 ao=FBt 2012, at 12:40, r williford wrote: > >> I've been thinking of getting a midi foot controller for looping softwar= e. >> I don't see many options besides the behringer fcb1010 which seems prett= y cool and is about my price range. >> Currently Ive been getting by with just one a sustain pedal Using ablet= on's looper and cycler-looper >> I've also modified a computer keyboard by taking off all the keys and pu= tting a few back on. >> Haven't actually tried it yet but I think I can hit about 5 buttons ind= ependently >> Any suggestions on midi foot controllers? >> Thanks for the feedback. >> Happy loopin >> -Robin >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 16:33:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9446818345D; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 16:33:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 438 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 16:33:19 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kevinkissinger.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=W7PL/Zah24E5pN8Rgqnjwd4Ombhix0OKBC4rpTQGSfc=; b=U9w2zytH9KE5UUic5T5leVCJN1KggYwN24SWVj9e6fMborvNtZLvREhic5TqMEOdp3E4xQBHfdMDjIh1o/ERP3NEyJyxnIny52bQdUoaC9G3DoDGhXwSDhn9lJBeuhPD; Message-ID: <20120805075315.89411g19ad9ihlff@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 07:53:15 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not References: <1344135316.83531.YahooMailClassic@web84506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <964E3F1E-1D8F-4961-9F9E-952F02B30979@sea.plala.or.jp> In-Reply-To: <964E3F1E-1D8F-4961-9F9E-952F02B30979@sea.plala.or.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.11) X-Identified-User: {3864:box516.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:smtp auth 127.0.0.1 authed with kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 16:33:20 +0000 (UTC) Over the last few years, I've had a good deal of equipment damage/mishandling by airlines. I think part of the problem is that the TSA ALWAYS opens my luggage and they don't repack it carefully. The last straw was a flight to Ashville, NC, in 2010. I had worked out my packing so that I could fit my theremin (an irreplaceble and valuable Etherwave Pro) into my carry on suitcase. However, the plane was a small jet and I had to leave the suitcase at the end of the jetway to be "packed" in the baggage compartment. I took my seat and watched the baggage handler grab my suitcase, swing it over his head and slam it down on the cart. At that very moment, I decided that "This is it. Never again. This is bullshit!". It hurt. Perhaps the baggage handler was just thoughtless and meant no malice. However, I didn't feel like a "valued customer" that day. I mean, good grief -- he was handling carry-on luggage. Did the dumbass ever ask himself, "Why do people carry-on luggage?" Duhh -- perhaps it is because the stuff is fragile or expensive. And since then, my policy is that if I can't drive or fly myself (I fly light airplanes) then I don't play the gig. It is not like I make enough money to compensate for the risk. Incidentally, I played in Asheville last May and made the trip via Cessna. I'd enjoy playing in Santa Cruz again however my future trips will likely be without equipment so I'd just attend without playing. My light airplane just isn't equipped to fly over the Rocky mountains and from Kansas City to Santa Cruz would be a nearly a three-day drive (one-way). To fly via airlines used to be pretty easy and pleasant. Now it is a supreme hassle. And -- on most airlines one has to pay extra for the privilege of having one's luggage abused. As you can tell, the subject of airline flyhing with instruments is a sensitive one. Don't get me started .... :) -- Kevin Quoting Ed Durbrow : > There is always risk, of course, but why don't you wrap it in bubble > wrap, put cardboard around that, then more bubble wrap, then more > cardboard etc. until it is as big as allowed. Also make sure the > guitar can't move in a direction inside the case that could break > the headstock, for example. Then demand/plead to have it hand > carried onto the plane. I would investigate different airline's > reputations. I brought back a very delicate Baroque guitar to Japan > in April and it ended up being hand carried. That way it doesn't > come through the machines at the luggage carousels. > > On Aug 5, 2012, at 11:55 AM, Tim Mungenast wrote: > >> Hi Gang! >> >> I am deeply honored to be able to play this year's festival. One >> thing that keeps me awake, though, besides performance anxiety, is >> something even more horrible than modern air travel: modern air >> travel with a guitar. Out of all my guitars, I cannot think of a >> single one that I would willingly risk to careless or felonious >> baggage handlers or overzealous members of the Security Industrial >> Complex. Sneaking a few pedals into my onboard bag should be easy, >> but the guitar is a much bigger deal. >> >> Therefore I think I'd be best served by a guitar that will fit >> onboard and be playable but not something I'll get all sentimental >> over. Should I just look for a vintage Hondo II Chiquita >> (ka-ching!$) or an Erlewine Lazer (ka-ching again!)? I've been told >> that even those Hohner Steinberger copies are getting pricey. Maybe >> one of those novelty mini-strats? Any ideas would most welcome and >> greatly appreciated. >> >> >> > > Ed Durbrow > Saitama, Japan > http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch > http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ > edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 17:06:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50E1D18345E; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 17:06:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=snSkW0cA1PERgOUACQWGKwNcypRibJvb1YQf78jHmWg=; b=WoaMw1BIKFAmIRkjUj+2DbEfYzdD/EscdpUvfpyskEOYwiZTB4zpieXjTvFaV6gxzT cOucOBkzECFA5azXcm2c5Qa6GukQBp8r7zeuq/JNNP7Ak8ca+O3DNQ1XC22Z/0ksgLzm jU8oDp63eJwN3i8Um9uXl0LND7pjLliEXqF0TOLdd8RsPRxDvzI5v4wUsgXiSUyoGVA6 hraojkeAKjdEWn2tVVbTjsmKhiq/VexdCJKTGMmAUE/D3Yz2stGaVYGIn8Z4m/Sin+vv aIGkecnsFo3pCLTDmV8+UKQbD798lHY3ncKL8lTei0EhKHfgsWs1hONOB4E0dGG4EMQ7 eZcA== Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not References: <1344135316.83531.YahooMailClassic@web84506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <964E3F1E-1D8F-4961-9F9E-952F02B30979@sea.plala.or.jp> <20120805075315.89411g19ad9ihlff@mail.kevinkissinger.com> From: Torben Scharling Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <20120805075315.89411g19ad9ihlff@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Message-Id: <335D1C81-1369-49DF-8D2F-8BEDC6B4F218@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 19:09:40 +0200 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 17:06:51 +0000 (UTC) I had a broken key on a Novation Remote midi keyboard, that was in it's fact= ory box, after a flight from Montpellier to Copenhagen (top big for carry-on= . When I bought my handmade bass in the US, I had it in it's molded hardcase= flightcase. The case was then covered in blankets, and put in a big cardboa= rd box, that I tied some gaffers tape around, and made a handle out of a rop= e. Nothing happened. So I guess I concur, that a molded flightcase (molded t= o the body of the guitar) + whatever additional precautions and extra paddin= g you'd like, is a good start.=20 I am however a bit frightened now, after these stories. If I'm able to gathe= r the dough in time, I'll also be performing in Santa Cruz.. Buy very unsure= which instruments, and what gear to bring with me. Kinda stupid that we'll b= e several people bringing the same controllers, expression pedals, loopers, m= ics, cables, electric guitars, etc. etc. and coming from overseas, that's go= nna be a hassle. Anyway still early for all that planning, but thought I'd m= ention it already :) On 05/08/2012, at 14.53, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > Over the last few years, I've had a good deal of equipment damage/mishandl= ing by airlines. I think part of the problem is that the TSA ALWAYS opens m= y luggage and they don't repack it carefully. >=20 > The last straw was a flight to Ashville, NC, in 2010. I had worked out my= packing so that I could fit my theremin (an irreplaceble and valuable Ether= wave Pro) into my carry on suitcase. However, the plane was a small jet and= I had to leave the suitcase at the end of the jetway to be "packed" in the b= aggage compartment. I took my seat and watched the baggage handler grab my s= uitcase, swing it over his head and slam it down on the cart. At that very m= oment, I decided that "This is it. Never again. This is bullshit!". >=20 > It hurt. Perhaps the baggage handler was just thoughtless and meant no ma= lice. However, I didn't feel like a "valued customer" that day. I mean, go= od grief -- he was handling carry-on luggage. Did the dumbass ever ask hims= elf, "Why do people carry-on luggage?" Duhh -- perhaps it is because the st= uff is fragile or expensive. >=20 > And since then, my policy is that if I can't drive or fly myself (I fly li= ght airplanes) then I don't play the gig. It is not like I make enough mone= y to compensate for the risk. >=20 > Incidentally, I played in Asheville last May and made the trip via Cessna.= >=20 > I'd enjoy playing in Santa Cruz again however my future trips will likely b= e without equipment so I'd just attend without playing. My light airplane j= ust isn't equipped to fly over the Rocky mountains and from Kansas City to S= anta Cruz would be a nearly a three-day drive (one-way). >=20 > To fly via airlines used to be pretty easy and pleasant. Now it is a supr= eme hassle. And -- on most airlines one has to pay extra for the privilege o= f having one's luggage abused. >=20 > As you can tell, the subject of airline flyhing with instruments is a sens= itive one. Don't get me started .... :) >=20 > -- Kevin >=20 > Quoting Ed Durbrow : >=20 >> There is always risk, of course, but why don't you wrap it in bubble wrap= , put cardboard around that, then more bubble wrap, then more cardboard etc.= until it is as big as allowed. Also make sure the guitar can't move in a di= rection inside the case that could break the headstock, for example. Then de= mand/plead to have it hand carried onto the plane. I would investigate diffe= rent airline's reputations. I brought back a very delicate Baroque guitar to= Japan in April and it ended up being hand carried. That way it doesn't come= through the machines at the luggage carousels. >>=20 >> On Aug 5, 2012, at 11:55 AM, Tim Mungenast wrote: >>=20 >>> Hi Gang! >>>=20 >>> I am deeply honored to be able to play this year's festival. One thing t= hat keeps me awake, though, besides performance anxiety, is something even m= ore horrible than modern air travel: modern air travel with a guitar. Out of= all my guitars, I cannot think of a single one that I would willingly risk t= o careless or felonious baggage handlers or overzealous members of the Secur= ity Industrial Complex. Sneaking a few pedals into my onboard bag should be e= asy, but the guitar is a much bigger deal. >>>=20 >>> Therefore I think I'd be best served by a guitar that will fit onboard a= nd be playable but not something I'll get all sentimental over. Should I jus= t look for a vintage Hondo II Chiquita (ka-ching!$) or an Erlewine Lazer (ka= -ching again!)? I've been told that even those Hohner Steinberger copies are= getting pricey. Maybe one of those novelty mini-strats? Any ideas would mos= t welcome and greatly appreciated. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >> Ed Durbrow >> Saitama, Japan >> http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=3Dwatch >> http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ >> edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 17:24:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0615218345C; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 17:24:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-08-06_04:2012-08-06,2012-08-06,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1208060180 Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not From: Daniel Thomas In-reply-to: <335D1C81-1369-49DF-8D2F-8BEDC6B4F218@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 10:24:55 -0700 Message-id: References: <1344135316.83531.YahooMailClassic@web84506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <964E3F1E-1D8F-4961-9F9E-952F02B30979@sea.plala.or.jp> <20120805075315.89411g19ad9ihlff@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <335D1C81-1369-49DF-8D2F-8BEDC6B4F218@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 17:24:55 +0000 (UTC) If it is very very valuable and I absolutely must travel with it, (say, a vintage guitar) I freight it rather than handing it over the airline. This allows me to use larger shock mount road cases and purchase adequate insurance. In fact, beyond the airlines baggage weight limit, its actually cheaper to freight the equipment than check it as baggage. In other cases, I have actually just bought a seat for the guitar. Expensive but cheaper than heartbreak. Daniel On Aug 6, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Torben Scharling wrote: > I had a broken key on a Novation Remote midi keyboard, that was in it's factory box, after a flight from Montpellier to Copenhagen (top big for carry-on. When I bought my handmade bass in the US, I had it in it's molded hardcase flightcase. The case was then covered in blankets, and put in a big cardboard box, that I tied some gaffers tape around, and made a handle out of a rope. Nothing happened. So I guess I concur, that a molded flightcase (molded to the body of the guitar) + whatever additional precautions and extra padding you'd like, is a good start. > > I am however a bit frightened now, after these stories. If I'm able to gather the dough in time, I'll also be performing in Santa Cruz.. Buy very unsure which instruments, and what gear to bring with me. Kinda stupid that we'll be several people bringing the same controllers, expression pedals, loopers, mics, cables, electric guitars, etc. etc. and coming from overseas, that's gonna be a hassle. Anyway still early for all that planning, but thought I'd mention it already :) > > > On 05/08/2012, at 14.53, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > >> Over the last few years, I've had a good deal of equipment damage/mishandling by airlines. I think part of the problem is that the TSA ALWAYS opens my luggage and they don't repack it carefully. >> >> The last straw was a flight to Ashville, NC, in 2010. I had worked out my packing so that I could fit my theremin (an irreplaceble and valuable Etherwave Pro) into my carry on suitcase. However, the plane was a small jet and I had to leave the suitcase at the end of the jetway to be "packed" in the baggage compartment. I took my seat and watched the baggage handler grab my suitcase, swing it over his head and slam it down on the cart. At that very moment, I decided that "This is it. Never again. This is bullshit!". >> >> It hurt. Perhaps the baggage handler was just thoughtless and meant no malice. However, I didn't feel like a "valued customer" that day. I mean, good grief -- he was handling carry-on luggage. Did the dumbass ever ask himself, "Why do people carry-on luggage?" Duhh -- perhaps it is because the stuff is fragile or expensive. >> >> And since then, my policy is that if I can't drive or fly myself (I fly light airplanes) then I don't play the gig. It is not like I make enough money to compensate for the risk. >> >> Incidentally, I played in Asheville last May and made the trip via Cessna. >> >> I'd enjoy playing in Santa Cruz again however my future trips will likely be without equipment so I'd just attend without playing. My light airplane just isn't equipped to fly over the Rocky mountains and from Kansas City to Santa Cruz would be a nearly a three-day drive (one-way). >> >> To fly via airlines used to be pretty easy and pleasant. Now it is a supreme hassle. And -- on most airlines one has to pay extra for the privilege of having one's luggage abused. >> >> As you can tell, the subject of airline flyhing with instruments is a sensitive one. Don't get me started .... :) >> >> -- Kevin >> >> Quoting Ed Durbrow : >> >>> There is always risk, of course, but why don't you wrap it in bubble wrap, put cardboard around that, then more bubble wrap, then more cardboard etc. until it is as big as allowed. Also make sure the guitar can't move in a direction inside the case that could break the headstock, for example. Then demand/plead to have it hand carried onto the plane. I would investigate different airline's reputations. I brought back a very delicate Baroque guitar to Japan in April and it ended up being hand carried. That way it doesn't come through the machines at the luggage carousels. >>> >>> On Aug 5, 2012, at 11:55 AM, Tim Mungenast wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Gang! >>>> >>>> I am deeply honored to be able to play this year's festival. One thing that keeps me awake, though, besides performance anxiety, is something even more horrible than modern air travel: modern air travel with a guitar. Out of all my guitars, I cannot think of a single one that I would willingly risk to careless or felonious baggage handlers or overzealous members of the Security Industrial Complex. Sneaking a few pedals into my onboard bag should be easy, but the guitar is a much bigger deal. >>>> >>>> Therefore I think I'd be best served by a guitar that will fit onboard and be playable but not something I'll get all sentimental over. Should I just look for a vintage Hondo II Chiquita (ka-ching!$) or an Erlewine Lazer (ka-ching again!)? I've been told that even those Hohner Steinberger copies are getting pricey. Maybe one of those novelty mini-strats? Any ideas would most welcome and greatly appreciated. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Ed Durbrow >>> Saitama, Japan >>> http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch >>> http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ >>> edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 17:44:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF6FF183461; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 17:44:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3czehNpvghbOSZ4zMZhkIK5G9AKu0Zvd5mIMUU8kNSw=; b=RAMcQLEnb/sF2XAYoC+URy+ylqTGsGf9rzYJ149AxviQCU6TIj3dnVxP6eTa4EJLY8 B2XpxxLzLLUl6PELyOn8lKFjUbOXSrfnDv5bUML4ulRo2f6n8VrPqLRz27PEztkVqph4 wQpMFsf/fl6marJudQ8FPR7uIayXTYSCYpcAkRSvErDI5prY5x3Obkh5sIXS+RIQRHMc ZKtPz6ZnAX7rBhRQVtC/nMcFSy47PIK8jenWwY/uaVUqbDiobogAONXGMJ5qivVjkMhw b8tB4HFW8SxegQnsL+V8tqAcUDMXWo/badS615WJIBblcv3AHPSA1JfPqr920gZlIX1s m2cQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1344135316.83531.YahooMailClassic@web84506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1344135316.83531.YahooMailClassic@web84506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:44:09 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <6oMmC.A.PiG.qJAIQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 17:44:10 +0000 (UTC) I think it was Mark Francombe that mentioned these guys =97 they ARE still in business and here's their website: http://www.rockitcargo.com/content.asp =85no, I've not (YET!) used them. Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Tim Mungenast wrot= e: > Hi Gang! > > I am deeply honored to be able to play this year's festival. One thing th= at keeps me awake, though, besides performance anxiety, is something even m= ore horrible than modern air travel: modern air travel with a guitar. Out o= f all my guitars, I cannot think of a single one that I would willingly ris= k to careless or felonious baggage handlers or overzealous members of the S= ecurity Industrial Complex. Sneaking a few pedals into my onboard bag shoul= d be easy, but the guitar is a much bigger deal. > > Therefore I think I'd be best served by a guitar that will fit onboard an= d be playable but not something I'll get all sentimental over. Should I jus= t look for a vintage Hondo II Chiquita (ka-ching!$) or an Erlewine Lazer (k= a-ching again!)? I've been told that even those Hohner Steinberger copies a= re getting pricey. Maybe one of those novelty mini-strats? Any ideas would = most welcome and greatly appreciated. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 18:14:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB06A183452; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 18:14:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-08-06_04:2012-08-06,2012-08-06,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1208060196 Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not From: Daniel Thomas In-reply-to: Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 11:14:00 -0700 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: References: <1344135316.83531.YahooMailClassic@web84506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 18:14:00 +0000 (UTC) I have used this firm before. It cost a little more than going through = the airline freight service and in the end, they turned around and hired = the airline freight service. Daniel On Aug 6, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Dennis Moser wrote: > I think it was Mark Francombe that mentioned these guys =97 they ARE > still in business and here's their website: >=20 > http://www.rockitcargo.com/content.asp >=20 > =85no, I've not (YET!) used them. >=20 > Best, >=20 > Dennis >=20 > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >=20 >=20 > On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Tim Mungenast = wrote: >> Hi Gang! >>=20 >> I am deeply honored to be able to play this year's festival. One = thing that keeps me awake, though, besides performance anxiety, is = something even more horrible than modern air travel: modern air travel = with a guitar. Out of all my guitars, I cannot think of a single one = that I would willingly risk to careless or felonious baggage handlers or = overzealous members of the Security Industrial Complex. Sneaking a few = pedals into my onboard bag should be easy, but the guitar is a much = bigger deal. >>=20 >> Therefore I think I'd be best served by a guitar that will fit = onboard and be playable but not something I'll get all sentimental over. = Should I just look for a vintage Hondo II Chiquita (ka-ching!$) or an = Erlewine Lazer (ka-ching again!)? I've been told that even those Hohner = Steinberger copies are getting pricey. Maybe one of those novelty = mini-strats? Any ideas would most welcome and greatly appreciated. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 18:37:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 826EF183460; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 18:37:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Ur8QJ6IyupTE8Tn5H5R00L7ORMWMg5Rr8jA0AVXp3Dk=; b=F1HJZ6jkHoHLX+LdVF1DVtM0UvZl8hIwl3bDz9YxGS9p9n6iKfTNPu5UxPAt6Y++mh 6EsEu/7KgMo8XnpzR/Sl9ZoGMS3Sj9Et9wJ1WVAxNjXHYacWqXne4YgPoCRsdqZFuVCm cqGzI5haXmtDVgERR86U3r+dHvJo2N04uDJvJwielc5/rdLUrUbqBBWdXhG7tgGQJPdy 3VkriBeLGZu2Rk4hNlBpoAHR8aoIvIF8UfhsWwFQ0CQzp/mMlL5P3iMYnti9nK8J67E9 S5jnCJLEe661lSZPMLJqqESa66txsb+E6JHh82vsft9B8m1oQWdcA62jJuumwUHosMhD cWUQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1344135316.83531.YahooMailClassic@web84506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 14:37:33 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 18:37:36 +0000 (UTC) In my experience, it depends on both the carrier and the actual plane you're flying. Check you carrier's policy regarding musical instruments and book a flight on the biggest plane you can get. I like to fly with Air Canada, because their policy is let me carry my instrument on board if it fits in the overhead bin. My trombone always fit in the overhead bin of the airbus 319 or 320, so that's what I'm flying on when I go to Santa Cruz later this year. Last week I flew to Moncton and back to Ottawa on a small regional jet. My horn did not fit in the overhead bin and I could only slide it partly under the seat in front of me (and side ways, taking room away from my fellow traveler). The flight attendant didn't even mention it on both flights. Getting on the good side of the flight crew can save your ass... My advice is to pack your smallest guitar in the smallest and strongest case you can find and book a flight on the biggest plane you can get. Plan to take it on board as carry-on and be prepared to gate-check if necessary. Most damage occurs when the instrument moves around inside the case (or other objects move within the case, banging on the instrument). Remove everything but the instrument from the case and secure it with packing foam or bubble wrap. Never check your instrument. They will destroy it (as we've already heard, the most likely scenario is a TSA agent screwing up your packing). Always carry-on or gate-check. If you must check your instrument, insist on being present when the TSA opens the case (this is in accordance with their policy: http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/editorial_1235.shtm ) Sylvain From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 18:38:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DE7D183463; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 18:38:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1617 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 18:37:59 UTC From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Philipp_Z=FCrcher?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-897240327 Subject: 2 EDP devices in NYC wanted Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:11:00 +0200 Message-Id: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 18:38:00 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-897240327 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Live looping artists and/or EDP owners in NYC, please HELP: For the following project, we are looking for people in NYC to lend us a = stereo set or two separate devices of Echoplex Digital Pros: 73-D by Philipp Zuercher, reperformed in NYC 73-D is part of the electroacoustic composition called Fractaloid 1=969, = 72 hours of music for solo instruments and EDP (Echoplex Digital Pro). = In this composition, a computer-operated EDP loop-back device creates = self-similar virtual containers, which are then filled with music by a = number of soloists. This way, the electronic system generates a second, = accompanying voice. The performance is centered on the encounter of man and machine, but = also on experiencing inconceivably large or complex patterns that occur = in nature. As the individual parts of the composition unfold, a rhythm = of growth, decay and repetition emerges, which is based on the series of = prime numbers between zero and 73. The work was first performed and recorded in Bern, Switzerland in 2006, = and published as an audio CD in 2008 by the Swiss Composers Association. We are now planning to reperform one entire cycle of the piece =96 = actually a fractaloid 32-minute loop, playing 15 times for 8 hours = straight. The performance will take place in NYC on october 14th 2012 , = and we are inviting local musicians to take part in this extraordinary = event. An english version of the score will be available soon, explaining the = different states of improvisation activities and the general form of the = piece for the artists. Please contact me directly by e-mail: zurrigo@mem.li Thanks Philipp Philipp Zuercher Elfenauweg 2 CH-3006 Bern Switzerland +41 31 332 46 44 (Landline) +41 78 623 13 13 (Mobile) http://www.mem.li --Apple-Mail-1-897240327 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Live looping artists and/or EDP owners in = NYC, please HELP:
lend us a stereo set or = two separate devices of Echoplex Digital Pros:

73-D by Philipp Zuercher, reperformed in = NYC

73-D is part of the electroacoustic composition called = Fractaloid 1=969, 72 hours of music for solo instruments and EDP = (Echoplex Digital Pro). In this composition, a computer-operated EDP = loop-back device creates self-similar virtual containers, which are then = filled with music by a number of soloists. This way, the electronic = system generates a second, accompanying voice.

The performance is = centered on the encounter of man and machine, but also on experiencing = inconceivably large or complex patterns that occur in nature. As the = individual parts of the composition unfold, a rhythm of growth, decay = and repetition emerges, which is based on the series of prime numbers = between zero and 73.

The work was first performed and recorded in = Bern, Switzerland in 2006, and published as an audio CD in 2008 by the = Swiss Composers Association.

We are now planning to reperform one = entire cycle of the piece =96 actually a fractaloid 32-minute loop, = playing 15 times for 8 hours straight. The performance will take place = in NYC on october 14th 2012 , and we are inviting local musicians to = take part in this extraordinary event.

An english version of the = score will be available soon, explaining the different states of = improvisation activities and the general form of the piece for the = artists.
Please contact = me directly by e-mail: zurrigo@mem.li

Thanks

Philipp


Philipp = Zuercher
Elfenauweg 2
CH-3006 Bern
Switzerland

+41 31 = 332 46 44  (Landline)
+41 78 623 13 13  (Mobile)

http://www.mem.li





= --Apple-Mail-1-897240327-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 21:40:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25BD3183460; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 21:40:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=tlKVQ3ML9F5wYo6/BC+SI3lTLIHxyfFBQPVmJn7ogYU=; b=NhsMKYdv3SbTROeMTFF85W1RczocaAIDuo9Pd97pIZ1DjetIPGNzI0Ca2heS7nDurW n/rDibxuk63OWORay7ZqqK8t2cFycOvs+8fEdbMkHiYUEZf38OIkh/Cm3937nPJtAfPB GGhLmx65AoAZWUy//bLMRHLgKcelkQ4LpG3C1u9aOhWmrSboSsmfyTYk50vsKqMKqvOc KuWFgFFHbfZSJU4BszuaYw7Pqyj6Fnn385YOsHXVgNlJ4gC9nWOO/bZhnFYGShW4Lp25 LVYD0ZXjj+k+XBfc87d4duorEsggfomHjDVPsQkjEelQikiG9zUHgbs9CoEWApHtBTAW kTYg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <1344135316.83531.YahooMailClassic@web84506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 23:40:31 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9B2miZNYUoiMjap7OeDlLrWIxLM Message-ID: Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b621e4055d91c04c69fbbad Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 21:40:53 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b621e4055d91c04c69fbbad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Daniel Thomas wrote= : > I have used this firm before. It cost a little more than going through > the airline freight service and in the end, they turned around and hired > the airline freight service. > It was by no means a reccomendation... did you read my stones story, they muddled up my guitars with an inflatable woman... however... When shipping a complete bands equipment for large tours of the states, 4 out of 5 times they did it with no hassle, no breakages, the did incredible deals (like aking our gear with Mettalicas one time... AND did all our carnet paperwork, even sending a guy to a gig we were doing a week before to scrabble around under our gear for serial numbers, cos of course we had forgotten them. They wern=B4t cheap cheap, but they collected our shit from our garage in Portsmouth and delivered it to the first gig, the whisky in LA I believe... so.. I call that pretty good... However... loopers... laptops and mouth organs.. thats my advice! > Daniel > On Aug 6, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Dennis Moser wrote: > > > I think it was Mark Francombe that mentioned these guys =97 they ARE > > still in business and here's their website: > But just for a laugh, I sent them a request for a quote now, for 16U RACK and pedalboard box... see if I get an answer... If I get a good deal, you guys in the US better book me a tour..! --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b621e4055d91c04c69fbbad Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Daniel Thomas <danielthomas4@mac.com> wrote:
I have used this firm before. =A0 It cost a little more than going through = the airline freight service and in the end, they turned around and hired th= e airline freight service.

It was by no means a re= ccomendation... did you read my stones story, they muddled up my guitars wi= th an inflatable woman... however...=A0 When shipping a complete bands equi= pment for large tours of the states, 4 out of 5 times they did it with no h= assle, no breakages, the did incredible deals (like aking our gear with Met= talicas one time... AND did all our carnet paperwork, even sending a guy to= a gig we were doing a week before to scrabble around under our gear for se= rial numbers, cos of course we had forgotten them.

They wern=B4t cheap cheap, but they collected our shit from our garage = in Portsmouth and delivered it to the first gig, the whisky in LA I believe= ... so.. I call that pretty good...

However... loopers... laptops an= d mouth organs.. thats my advice!


Daniel
On Aug 6, 2012, at 10= :44 AM, Dennis Moser wrote:

> I think it was Mark Francombe that mentioned these guys =97 they ARE > still in business and here's their website:

But just for a laugh, I sent them a request for a quote now,= for=A0 16U RACK and pedalboard box... see if I get an answer... If I get a= good deal, you guys in the US better book me a tour..!



--
Mark Francombe
= www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.c= om/photos/24478662@N00/

--047d7b621e4055d91c04c69fbbad-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 21:44:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0866E18345D; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 21:44:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=RR8Zjn5thEgjVh77vFcTnIJDxlgtQOZCi5D/5ToFOEg=; b=JZs3f1SzwCswABpoTJkS6PHOCzq6p535zbba3755DaP3QdvPT9aMM+WpsSlzKYp6N+ l4BGqg/5vwl4b1FMT1SJ2ZoZL9hMEli39/L18yHU992Q6Ru/PnruhdafKZKPlGaBEVSJ U6zzi+j3JO4F4UKoFA723WmYHUtmNOiQ+R0IfKaSzKH63H4wj/UiwJbPiMCk8lmuadUe r3pu2cKJkhJ4PCc+KDsglQRUKWy0nXue+0apEoVnEf+t9A3iltKaiIJb8kFcvqvfEY47 b/ljZjgZU+hwjEfN3CH8mJ2wPIYV3CK26IZWU9XRiDqt4XUUZ1idrZ/GfVa3c6wW9qor J7KA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1344135316.83531.YahooMailClassic@web84506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 15:44:01 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 21:44:02 +0000 (UTC) Only if you're coming to Fairbanks, Alaska, Mark! Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > But just for a laugh, I sent them a request for a quote now, for 16U RACK > and pedalboard box... see if I get an answer... If I get a good deal, you > guys in the US better book me a tour..! > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 00:56:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1F4918345D; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 00:56:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3pitq+Hf8cwNjuXPX6IU2HGT1UiZyJnW00bYRugpOfY=; b=ZEsdNOMTU6RHWiz7JyqT6kvCwOkFqzAlLk3QgOtVo277zjdYtgBs6X7qUAVQemtDFw 83+5uzHU6SSdUNk2ttd7denDv65E7FRzrSkb/+dgzhGdwB6GIKqA8JY3O2hz4zYAm5ut UFfJfcKySadmwXc+95x/6hNGtUDRAfWCm98mSnoHUT6iQgYj42lN7I4ej421M5a7ZufO UM+zL6aquSS4laIu5lrV67+gi+YcmENGJ/GTjBRqebpNRdI62u47oYbhQCs5gTZL4yNs UE9x7tZbX2Rmw+z/caIgKv73cn1ukRekY/7FIEQFBm1EKUwohL8ZyKRi4hIagWWUQ63U 3NUQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 17:56:54 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: midi foot controller theory From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f3bab97750e7404c6a27883 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 00:56:55 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f3bab97750e7404c6a27883 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm currently using the IK Multimedia Stealth pedal and a POK. The Stealth pedal gives me inputs for two expression pedals and the POK has 8 buttons. I previously had a Behringer FCB1010, which was a lot cheaper, but I'm happier with the current setup. For one thing, both devices are USB. I would also look at Ted Killian's choice, the Eowave, which is also a direct usb connection and has four jacks that can each be used for switches or expression pedals: http://www.eowave.com/shop/products.php?prod=3D645 If I was buying something right now, I'd probably replace the Stealth Pedal with the Eowave and keep the POK. On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Dennis Moser wrote= : > Hey, Tristan =97 > > Am looking at your Loopr app and had a couple of questions. I'll ping > you directly. > > Best, > > Dennis > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:43 AM, Tristan Zand wrote: > > Thought it hasn't got the two integrated continuous controllers, and > thought I also use the FCB1010, I personally prefer Rolls' MP128, it's > smaller, I prefer the feel of the switches, and cheaper. It doesn't have > the complex programming stuff or that possibility to change the PROM (I'm > mainly thinking about the EurekaPROM chip that enables you to control an > AdrenaLinn, ..), but it's definitely my choice for all my looping apparat= us > (Loopr, Live, JamMan, ...). I've had mine since the mid-ninetees, and I u= se > it everyday, in the studio or on the road. You can also power it through > the MIDI cable, which can be a plus. > > Here's a picture I took of both side by side: > > http://blog.loopr.net/2012/06/rolls-mp128-vs-behringer-fcb1010.html > > Hope that helps, > > Cheers, > > z > > > > On 6 ao=FBt 2012, at 12:40, r williford wrote: > > > >> I've been thinking of getting a midi foot controller for looping > software. > >> I don't see many options besides the behringer fcb1010 which seems > pretty cool and is about my price range. > >> Currently Ive been getting by with just one a sustain pedal Using > ableton's looper and cycler-looper > >> I've also modified a computer keyboard by taking off all the keys and > putting a few back on. > >> Haven't actually tried it yet but I think I can hit about 5 buttons > independently > >> Any suggestions on midi foot controllers? > >> Thanks for the feedback. > >> Happy loopin > >> -Robin > >> > >> > >> > > > > --=20 Art Simon simart@gmail.com --e89a8f3bab97750e7404c6a27883 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm currently using the IK Multimedia Stealth pedal and a POK. The Stea= lth pedal gives me inputs for two expression pedals and the POK has 8 butto= ns. I previously had a Behringer FCB1010, which was a lot cheaper, but I= 9;m happier with the current setup. For one thing, both devices are USB.
I would also look at Ted Killian's choice, the Eowave, w= hich is also a direct usb connection and has four jacks that can each be us= ed for switches or expression pedals:

If I was buying something right now, I'd prob= ably replace the Stealth Pedal with the Eowave and keep the POK.
=

On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Dennis M= oser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey, Tristan =97

Am looking at your Loopr app and had a couple of questions. I'll ping you directly.

Best,

Dennis

http://soundclo= ud.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com=
http://usrsla= shsbin.angrek.com/


On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:43 AM, Tristan Zand <zzz@zzz.ch> wrote:
> Thought it hasn't got the two integrated continuous controllers, a= nd thought I also use the FCB1010, I personally prefer Rolls' MP128, it= 's smaller, I prefer the feel of the switches, and cheaper. It doesn= 9;t have the complex programming stuff or that possibility to change the PR= OM (I'm mainly thinking about the EurekaPROM chip that enables you to c= ontrol an AdrenaLinn, ..), but it's definitely my choice for all my loo= ping apparatus (Loopr, Live, JamMan, ...). I've had mine since the mid-= ninetees, and I use it everyday, in the studio or on the road. You can also= power it through the MIDI cable, which can be a plus.
> Here's a picture I took of both side by side:
> http://blog.loopr.net/2012/06/rolls-mp128-vs-be= hringer-fcb1010.html
> Hope that helps,
> Cheers,
> z
>
> On 6 ao=FBt 2012, at 12:40, r williford wrote:
>
>> I've been thinking of getting a midi foot controller for loopi= ng software.
>> I don't see many options besides the behringer fcb1010 which s= eems pretty cool and is about my price range.
>> Currently Ive been getting by with just one a sustain pedal =A0Usi= ng ableton's looper and cycler-looper
>> I've also modified a computer keyboard by taking off all the k= eys and putting a few back on.
>> Haven't actually tried it yet but I think I can hit =A0about 5= buttons independently
>> Any suggestions on midi foot controllers?
>> Thanks for the feedback.
>> Happy loopin
>> -Robin
>>
>>
>>
>




--
= Art Simon
simart@g= mail.com

--e89a8f3bab97750e7404c6a27883-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 02:36:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0CBC18345E; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 02:36:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 301 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 02:36:05 UTC MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 21:31:00 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: midi foot controller theory From: James Collin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec50162a1fd681d04c6a3c8d8 X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:tIpd5pVLLQ7Gxom4mDcriigGkwSQ+Jvy6C9ERNFx8Kp LgCcvUG2MdEUBKYl32JOo/cZQX8PJ9oVsItPlSnuOWVSJxKhI0 TcwjHqVEtQGqeCu48dFl2h8YCURCiVEUvx6gEy6/a1rF4sLLK3 6dP9yuxQ66J4s6CaKPHxwGgCj6ZGe8yDQqnxNE38998uHeC17k X9J/XY2gR+0y5YshJWkKyelryiiYeq4sj0jU2FD0rTClqUTUpv 9C8EEuu8wmtCw1AX5EWV10TLl7q5vG2FX4D/HFe6Q6tPZhBeF0 11vu3HZ6oaho3L/CrMYjdhSTQIKW98wDm5tQjnxuiwrKSSTVGj +VBVaI+DNP31bJZQfo9+6py8hVzzLZ4oJo6y/9WyOUfdOiWomV 7Mvn6rmJhoGBteUP8HvBXvmzjFAwVcgKMzYiF2P5ut1IZ++s1L ImgGe Resent-Message-ID: <0cifHD.A.n2C.W8HIQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 02:36:06 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec50162a1fd681d04c6a3c8d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been using the Rolls MP128 for about 6 months and I love it. It's sturdy, simple and about half the size of the FCB1010. It's also a pure midi pedal which means you can use it with any software. Add MidiPipe to translate channel changes to notes, and you can use it to control anything. The only part I would improve is some sort of indicator for each button. - J http://jamescollin.com On Aug 6, 2012 7:56 PM, "Art Simon" wrote: > I'm currently using the IK Multimedia Stealth pedal and a POK. The Stealt= h > pedal gives me inputs for two expression pedals and the POK has 8 buttons= . > I previously had a Behringer FCB1010, which was a lot cheaper, but I'm > happier with the current setup. For one thing, both devices are USB. > > I would also look at Ted Killian's choice, the Eowave, which is also a > direct usb connection and has four jacks that can each be used for switch= es > or expression pedals: > http://www.eowave.com/shop/products.php?prod=3D645 > > If I was buying something right now, I'd probably replace the Stealth > Pedal with the Eowave and keep the POK. > > > On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Dennis Moser wro= te: > >> Hey, Tristan =97 >> >> Am looking at your Loopr app and had a couple of questions. I'll ping >> you directly. >> >> Best, >> >> Dennis >> >> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin >> http://audiozoloft.com >> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:43 AM, Tristan Zand wrote: >> > Thought it hasn't got the two integrated continuous controllers, and >> thought I also use the FCB1010, I personally prefer Rolls' MP128, it's >> smaller, I prefer the feel of the switches, and cheaper. It doesn't have >> the complex programming stuff or that possibility to change the PROM (I'= m >> mainly thinking about the EurekaPROM chip that enables you to control an >> AdrenaLinn, ..), but it's definitely my choice for all my looping appara= tus >> (Loopr, Live, JamMan, ...). I've had mine since the mid-ninetees, and I = use >> it everyday, in the studio or on the road. You can also power it through >> the MIDI cable, which can be a plus. >> > Here's a picture I took of both side by side: >> > http://blog.loopr.net/2012/06/rolls-mp128-vs-behringer-fcb1010.html >> > Hope that helps, >> > Cheers, >> > z >> > >> > On 6 ao=FBt 2012, at 12:40, r williford wrote: >> > >> >> I've been thinking of getting a midi foot controller for looping >> software. >> >> I don't see many options besides the behringer fcb1010 which seems >> pretty cool and is about my price range. >> >> Currently Ive been getting by with just one a sustain pedal Using >> ableton's looper and cycler-looper >> >> I've also modified a computer keyboard by taking off all the keys and >> putting a few back on. >> >> Haven't actually tried it yet but I think I can hit about 5 buttons >> independently >> >> Any suggestions on midi foot controllers? >> >> Thanks for the feedback. >> >> Happy loopin >> >> -Robin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@gmail.com > > --bcaec50162a1fd681d04c6a3c8d8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I've been using the Rolls MP128 for about 6 months and I love it. It= 's sturdy, simple and about half the size of the FCB1010. It's also= a pure midi pedal which means you can use it with any software. Add MidiPi= pe to translate channel changes to notes, and you can use it to control any= thing. The only part I would improve is some sort of indicator for each but= ton.

- J

http://jamescollin.com

On Aug 6, 2012 7:56 PM, "Art Simon" &l= t;simart@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm currently using the IK Multimedia Stealth pedal and a POK. The Stea= lth pedal gives me inputs for two expression pedals and the POK has 8 butto= ns. I previously had a Behringer FCB1010, which was a lot cheaper, but I= 9;m happier with the current setup. For one thing, both devices are USB.
I would also look at Ted Killian's choice, the Eowave, w= hich is also a direct usb connection and has four jacks that can each be us= ed for switches or expression pedals:

If I was buying something right now, I'd prob= ably replace the Stealth Pedal with the Eowave and keep the POK.
=

On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Dennis M= oser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey, Tristan =97

Am looking at your Loopr app and had a couple of questions. I'll ping you directly.

Best,

Dennis

http://soundclo= ud.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com=
http://usrsla= shsbin.angrek.com/


On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:43 AM, Tristan Zand <zzz@zzz.ch> wrote:
> Thought it hasn't got the two integrated continuous controllers, a= nd thought I also use the FCB1010, I personally prefer Rolls' MP128, it= 's smaller, I prefer the feel of the switches, and cheaper. It doesn= 9;t have the complex programming stuff or that possibility to change the PR= OM (I'm mainly thinking about the EurekaPROM chip that enables you to c= ontrol an AdrenaLinn, ..), but it's definitely my choice for all my loo= ping apparatus (Loopr, Live, JamMan, ...). I've had mine since the mid-= ninetees, and I use it everyday, in the studio or on the road. You can also= power it through the MIDI cable, which can be a plus.
> Here's a picture I took of both side by side:
> http://blog.loopr.net/2012/06/rolls-mp128-vs-be= hringer-fcb1010.html
> Hope that helps,
> Cheers,
> z
>
> On 6 ao=FBt 2012, at 12:40, r williford wrote:
>
>> I've been thinking of getting a midi foot controller for loopi= ng software.
>> I don't see many options besides the behringer fcb1010 which s= eems pretty cool and is about my price range.
>> Currently Ive been getting by with just one a sustain pedal =A0Usi= ng ableton's looper and cycler-looper
>> I've also modified a computer keyboard by taking off all the k= eys and putting a few back on.
>> Haven't actually tried it yet but I think I can hit =A0about 5= buttons independently
>> Any suggestions on midi foot controllers?
>> Thanks for the feedback.
>> Happy loopin
>> -Robin
>>
>>
>>
>




--
= Art Simon
simart@g= mail.com

--bcaec50162a1fd681d04c6a3c8d8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 02:47:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F409518345D; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 02:47:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 22:47:10 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: midi foot controller theory In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_966396569==.ALT" Message-Id: <20120807024718.034ECA0DF@smtp2.wightman.ca> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 02:47:18 +0000 (UTC) --=====================_966396569==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, Thanks Art, This POK is exactly what I was looking for in my=20 question a few days ago. This is brilliant!!!!=20 Now I won't have to try and build something on my=20 own although the video of building a pedal that=20 would do that out of an old qwerty keyboard was very tempting to try. Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca Ontario, Canada At 08:56 PM 8/6/2012, you wrote: >I'm currently using the IK Multimedia Stealth=20 >pedal and a POK. The Stealth pedal gives me=20 >inputs for two expression pedals and the POK has=20 >8 buttons. I previously had a Behringer FCB1010,=20 >which was a lot cheaper, but I'm happier with=20 >the current setup. For one thing, both devices are USB. > >I would also look at Ted Killian's choice, the=20 >Eowave, which is also a direct usb connection=20 >and has four jacks that can each be used for switches or expression pedals: >http://www.eowave.com/s= hop/products.php?prod=3D645=20 > > >If I was buying something right now, I'd=20 >probably replace the Stealth Pedal with the Eowave and keep the POK. > > >On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Dennis Moser=20 ><sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote: >Hey, Tristan =97 > >Am looking at your Loopr app and had a couple of questions. I'll ping >you directly. > >Best, > >Dennis > >http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin >http://audiozoloft.com >http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > >On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:43 AM, Tristan Zand=20 ><zzz@zzz.ch> wrote: > > Thought it hasn't got the two integrated=20 > continuous controllers, and thought I also use=20 > the FCB1010, I personally prefer Rolls' MP128,=20 > it's smaller, I prefer the feel of the=20 > switches, and cheaper. It doesn't have the=20 > complex programming stuff or that possibility=20 > to change the PROM (I'm mainly thinking about=20 > the EurekaPROM chip that enables you to control=20 > an AdrenaLinn, ..), but it's definitely my=20 > choice for all my looping apparatus (Loopr,=20 > Live, JamMan, ...). I've had mine since the=20 > mid-ninetees, and I use it everyday, in the=20 > studio or on the road. You can also power it=20 > through the MIDI cable, which can be a plus. > > Here's a picture I took of both side by side: > >=20 >= http:/= /blog.loopr.net/2012/06/rolls-mp128-vs-behringer-fcb1010.html > > Hope that helps, > > Cheers, > > z > > > > On 6 ao=FBt 2012, at 12:40, r williford wrote: > > > >> I've been thinking of getting a midi foot controller for looping= software. > >> I don't see many options besides the=20 > behringer fcb1010 which seems pretty cool and is about my price range. > >> Currently Ive been getting by with just one=20 > a sustain pedal Using ableton's looper and cycler-looper > >> I've also modified a computer keyboard by=20 > taking off all the keys and putting a few back on. > >> Haven't actually tried it yet but I think I=20 > can hit about 5 buttons independently > >> Any suggestions on midi foot controllers? > >> Thanks for the feedback. > >> Happy loopin > >> -Robin > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >-- >Art Simon >simart@gmail.com --=====================_966396569==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, Thanks Art,

This POK is exactly what I was looking for in my question a few days ago. This is brilliant!!!! Now I won't have to try and build something on my own although the video of building a pedal that would do that out of an old qwerty keyboard was very tempting to try.

Paul Haslem
www.dulcify.ca
Ontario, Canada






At 08:56 PM 8/6/2012, you wrote:
I'm currently using the IK Multimedia Stealth pedal and a POK. The Stealth pedal gives me inputs for two expression pedals and the POK has 8 buttons. I previously had a Behringer FCB1010, which was a lot cheaper, but I'm happier with the current setup. For one thing, both devices are USB.

I would also look at Ted Killian's choice, the Eowave, which is also a direct usb connection and has four jacks that can each be used for switches or expression pedals:
http://www.eowave.com/shop/products.php?prod=3D645

If I was buying something right now, I'd probably replace the Stealth Pedal with the Eowave and keep the POK.


On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com > wrote:
Hey, Tristan =97

Am looking at your Loopr app and had a couple of questions. I'll ping
you directly.

Best,

Dennis

http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com
http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/


On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:43 AM, Tristan Zand <zzz@zzz.ch> wrote:
> Thought it hasn't got the two integrated continuous controllers, and thought I also use the FCB1010, I personally prefer Rolls' MP128, it's smaller, I prefer the feel of the switches, and cheaper. It doesn't have the complex programming stuff or that possibility to change the PROM (I'm mainly thinking about the EurekaPROM chip that enables you to control an AdrenaLinn, ..), but it's definitely my choice for all my looping apparatus (Loopr, Live, JamMan, ...). I've had mine since the mid-ninetees, and I use it everyday, in the studio or on the road. You can also power it through the MIDI cable, which can be a plus.
> Here's a picture I took of both side by side:
> http://blog.loopr.net/2012/06/rolls-mp128-vs-behringer-fcb1010.html
> Hope that helps,
> Cheers,
> z
>
> On 6 ao=FBt 2012, at 12:40, r williford wrote:
>
>> I've been thinking of getting a midi foot controller for looping software.
>> I don't see many options besides the behringer fcb1010 which seems pretty cool and is about my price range.
>> Currently Ive been getting by with just one a sustain pedal  Using ableton's looper and cycler-looper
>> I've also modified a computer keyboard by taking off all the keys and putting a few back on.
>> Haven't actually tried it yet but I think I can hit  about 5 buttons independently
>> Any suggestions on midi foot controllers?
>> Thanks for the feedback.
>> Happy loopin
>> -Robin
>>
>>
>>
>




--
Art Simon
simart@gmail.com
--=====================_966396569==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 03:40:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D10618345E; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 03:40:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=fCramwtWaMQ/ZTCKiGy9gThtYtYpRoSwQXWOSeRxVC4=; b=mXvg/WrL6t663NDm25JkZHWGvwYhx4Di59BHHM9v5lwmOLtoFt+P7lXQ+WAUXU1vPO sPfGw2VcddTyN7cqk2JotnjnYk0uy6E5LWoqV9q7qdRcLCNzWtj7pb/p3O4+MQvhmGpX IXcJ/AIEazovz/HEt0ZjnW5j6gI/NZeMmoIHgyUIr6e53BUXAGi/7PYi0kESgHJFUZOF rXvalAIWcHMX8faEEVlAbbTxWI06UpdFlFUiP35TpfF33PUwiOdAL6alLbS7SZ8tAlM/ tF3TVQRg83kgm0WhQ4V1yURL6wHL/Rq3o2JRGUDBqn2M+LhWqVOhitt8j9WqsRLOet1N 5//A== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120807024718.034ECA0DF@smtp2.wightman.ca> References: <20120807024718.034ECA0DF@smtp2.wightman.ca> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:40:04 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: midi foot controller theory From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444ee27faf92104c6a4bf7b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 03:40:06 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0444ee27faf92104c6a4bf7b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Paul, I think the xtempo POK has come up here before. Just so people know, it's a wireless usb controller with 8 buttons, but no pedals or pedal inputs. I have no issues or regrets with mine, but I wouldn't call myself a power user. Just a heads up, that if you are a student, teacher or have some sort of tie to academia, it's worth asking about the education discounts. Here's the url for anybody who is interested: http://www.xtempozone.com/ On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 7:47 PM, paul wrote: > Hey, Thanks Art, > > This POK is exactly what I was looking for in my question a few days ago. > This is brilliant!!!! Now I won't have to try and build something on my o= wn > although the video of building a pedal that would do that out of an old > qwerty keyboard was very tempting to try. > > Paul Haslem > www.dulcify.ca > Ontario, Canada > > > > > > > > At 08:56 PM 8/6/2012, you wrote: > > I'm currently using the IK Multimedia Stealth pedal and a POK. The Stealt= h > pedal gives me inputs for two expression pedals and the POK has 8 buttons= . > I previously had a Behringer FCB1010, which was a lot cheaper, but I'm > happier with the current setup. For one thing, both devices are USB. > > I would also look at Ted Killian's choice, the Eowave, which is also a > direct usb connection and has four jacks that can each be used for switch= es > or expression pedals: > http://www.eowave.com/shop/products.php?prod=3D645 > > If I was buying something right now, I'd probably replace the Stealth > Pedal with the Eowave and keep the POK. > > > On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Dennis Moser > wrote: > Hey, Tristan =97 > > Am looking at your Loopr app and had a couple of questions. I'll ping > you directly. > > Best, > > Dennis > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:43 AM, Tristan Zand wrote: > > Thought it hasn't got the two integrated continuous controllers, and > thought I also use the FCB1010, I personally prefer Rolls' MP128, it's > smaller, I prefer the feel of the switches, and cheaper. It doesn't have > the complex programming stuff or that possibility to change the PROM (I'm > mainly thinking about the EurekaPROM chip that enables you to control an > AdrenaLinn, ..), but it's definitely my choice for all my looping apparat= us > (Loopr, Live, JamMan, ...). I've had mine since the mid-ninetees, and I u= se > it everyday, in the studio or on the road. You can also power it through > the MIDI cable, which can be a plus. > > Here's a picture I took of both side by side: > > http://blog.loopr.net/2012/06/rolls-mp128-vs-behringer-fcb1010.html > > Hope that helps, > > Cheers, > > z > > > > On 6 ao=FBt 2012, at 12:40, r williford wrote: > > > >> I've been thinking of getting a midi foot controller for looping > software. > >> I don't see many options besides the behringer fcb1010 which seems > pretty cool and is about my price range. > >> Currently Ive been getting by with just one a sustain pedal Using > ableton's looper and cycler-looper > >> I've also modified a computer keyboard by taking off all the keys and > putting a few back on. > >> Haven't actually tried it yet but I think I can hit about 5 buttons > independently > >> Any suggestions on midi foot controllers? > >> Thanks for the feedback. > >> Happy loopin > >> -Robin > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@gmail.com > > --=20 Art Simon simart@gmail.com --f46d0444ee27faf92104c6a4bf7b Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Paul,

I think the xtempo POK has come up here before= . Just so people know, it's a wireless usb controller with 8 buttons, b= ut no pedals or pedal inputs. I have no issues or regrets with mine, but I = wouldn't call myself a power user. Just a heads up, that if you are a s= tudent, teacher or have some sort of tie to academia, it's worth asking= about the education discounts. Here's the url for anybody who is inter= ested:
http://www.xtempozone.com/= =A0

On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 7:47 PM, paul = <phaslem@wightman.ca> wrote:
Hey, Thanks Art,

This POK is exactly what I was looking for in my question a few days ago. This is brilliant!!!! Now I won't have to try and build something on my own although the video of building a pedal that would do that out of an old qwerty keyboard was very tempting to try.

Paul Haslem
www.dulcify.ca
Ontario, Canada







At 08:56 PM 8/6/2012, you wrote:
I'm currently using the IK Multimedia Stealth pedal and a POK. The Stealth pedal gives me inputs for two expression pedals and the POK has 8 buttons. I previously had a Behringer FCB1010, which was a lot cheaper, but I'm happier with the current setup. For one thing, both devices are USB.

I would also look at Ted Killian's choice, the Eowave, which is also a direct usb connection and has four jacks that can each be used for switches or expression pedals:
http://www.eowave.com/shop/products.php?prod=3D645

If I was buying something right now, I'd probably replace the Stealth Pedal with the Eowave and keep the POK.


On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmach= aut@gmail.com > wrote:
Hey, Tristan =97

Am looking at your Loopr app and had a couple of questions. I'= ll ping
you directly.

Best,

Dennis

http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com
http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/


On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:43 AM, Tristan Zand <zzz@zzz.ch> wrot= e:
> Thought it hasn't got the two integrated continuous contr= ollers, and thought I also use the FCB1010, I personally prefer Rolls' MP128, it's smaller, I prefer the feel of the switches, and cheaper. It doesn&= #39;t have the complex programming stuff or that possibility to change the PROM (I'm mainly thinking about the EurekaPROM chip that enables you to control an AdrenaLinn, ..), but it's definitely my choice for all my looping apparatus (Loopr, Live, JamMan, ...). I've had mine since the mid-ninetees, and I use it everyday, in the studio or on the road. You can also power it through the MIDI cable, which can be a plus.
> Here's a picture I took of both side by side:
> http://blog.loopr.net/2012/06/rolls-mp128-vs-behringer-fcb1010.html
> Hope that helps,
> Cheers,
> z
>
> On 6 ao=FBt 2012, at 12:40, r williford wrote:
>
>> I've been thinking of getting a midi foot controller = for looping software.
>> I don't see many options besides the behringer fcb101= 0 which seems pretty cool and is about my price range.
>> Currently Ive been getting by with just one a sustain pedal=A0 Using ableton's looper and cycler-looper
>> I've also modified a computer keyboard by taking off = all the keys and putting a few back on.
>> Haven't actually tried it yet but I think I can hit= =A0 about 5 buttons independently
>> Any suggestions on midi foot controllers?
>> Thanks for the feedback.
>> Happy loopin
>> -Robin
>>
>>
>>
>




--
Art Simon
simart@gmail.com<= br>



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--f46d0444ee27faf92104c6a4bf7b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 06:14:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5C42183460; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 06:14:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 06:14:40 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=juno.com; s=alpha; t=1344320079; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=PQ2tMrmr7t1VcdDTIeyhs4XM1bEZ8MbbdED2XS6ZASzkqThfFd5u+JS5DPwufVeP7 jMiFCnhOzTjjnFS+t+ua9vQWqO8lJz8/DjmmKTciCEWejrmuNHiwm3gjwtO1c8VpjH xsZYXM3eW/eTGAXDC4Yzo/rG1dy3GoY4eJGS9dK4= X-UOL-TAGLINE: true X-UNTD-OriginStamp: 9EhR0pLz6z60oouGbO3ECJ6Uj1fiuKdd5N1TU5pP5N0= X-Originating-IP: [74.242.225.124] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "qrd@juno.com" Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 06:04:45 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New Music on Silber X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20120807.020445.30974.0@webmail13.vgs.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 711 X-ContentStamp: 2:2:2994262178 X-MAIL-INFO:349c6ccc9c0d55cc0dcce979557d7dadf14d69fcf1c8713848e8f1c9c9688829c1095d1d6ca1f18cac0d8c9c9c8cd519d53d217dd5ece931196d050c087d114101b8a8f929393c3c7598c9c198c871c1c8c1591571e8e8a5a8d1a969a8051135b918a89d9d5c7c0d2838dccc5cc9dcd188617161c1c1c9156171c94d6929915d25ac0c918c893c69a5a115ec8c817dec45b1b1 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.181.12.153|webmail13.vgs.untd.com|outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com|qrd@juno.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 06:14:41 +0000 (UTC) I haven't posted on here in forever. I don't really have any good excus= es why. Anyway, I thought you might be interested in my new loop driven= ambient thing from Small Life Form called "Voice in the Sky" - http://w= ww.silbermedia.com/smalllifeform/voice-in-the-sky.shtml & my actual rea= l time no loops 18 layers of drone recording 4.5 hour piece "four and a = half" - http://www.silbermedia.com/brianjohnmitchell/four-and-a-half.sht= ml Both are free to stream or currently a buck to download. Oh & while I'm here, I'm looking for guitarists to interview for QRD. E= mail me directly if you are interested in taking part - www.silbermedia.= com/qrd = hrt Brian John Mitchell www.silbermedia.com ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5020b08554f6c30854c73st04vuc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 10:25:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BB7518345E; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 10:25:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=o0cvt+1EXAb2l9kUTaym0V9ly0l7FJvgq6USvJOdmn0=; b=cvhlwYkiqJ79yzl5VbYidXkKWuodQSpYzyZuePJ9ujXBYXFWLcseXYJNLrgsQu53z8 cZYTBoFNBQ+RbsN6TrAS8XB5kUXCWtPTBYHtsfR7CEjnHsm552qjJrGD5yQjj8wdmAQM 4jltIus9B7bSey5oypnSKAdhYvHyxDyQKcVdpSEdL8Vgappinbli3neI567c//qe7v2H 50HJ1Z2vkaeEAXEHyo316qIzZeAemY3VTEqVZnKxpM7+9+ud7IHRolscf/oW9K6lMaIb NNHWb9ySn2lHtOfS9kZBjScsR0TGdwIAHnub+JcVtzBPgjKtOYXKL/fHyR48WaQIZm1v LosQ== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: New discovery on EDP!!! From: Matthias Grob In-Reply-To: <501FC217.2080900@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 07:24:38 -0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3373DD6C-075C-4C38-9E8F-F0290483660B@gmail.com> References: <501E71E3.6000100@tiscali.co.uk> <501F8EAF.1020000@tiscali.co.uk> <501FC217.2080900@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <6exQh.A.KIG.L0OIQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 10:25:15 +0000 (UTC) On 6 Aug 2012, at 10:09, andy butler wrote: > Re: Undo on Echoloop vs EDP >=20 > mark francombe wrote: >=20 >> Yes of course, but since Loop1V isnt the only difference that short = press only undos FROM your foot down, UNTILL the end of loop, wheras = Long Press takes away the whole layer? Is there more to it than that? >=20 > It's different if you Undo while Overdubbing, because a shortpress = still > takes away the stuff you only just Overdubbed. I find this fundamental. its what I most use, because usually I notice = my error before it repeats so I do not want to repeat it ever. so I = press Undo just before it would happen again. > I think it's Shortpress=3DWhole layer > Longpress=3D just back to Loopstart > (or the other way round) Short - one entire loop (independent of where loop start is) Long - back to previous Loopstart (usually further back than short) >=20 > ...beyond that, the EDP is a bit unpredictable once you start Undoing = repeatedly. > For instance, if you keep on doing shortpresses > it doesn't allow you to keep the first half the loop and gradually = shift the second halve back through the history. >=20 > I'd guess the Echoloop is a bit tidier in this respect, > ...but have to ask Matt. hmm, I tried to be pretty authentic because many got used to this kind = of behavior but I am always open to suggestions ! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 13:18:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2477B183460; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:18:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 799400871/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.191.75/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.191.75 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAEMUIVBV0r9L/2dsb2JhbAANOLxuAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYgDqAqUJI5ggxwDmxCNJA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,727,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="799400871" Message-ID: <502115A1.7080305@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 14:18:25 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New discovery on EDP!!! References: <501E71E3.6000100@tiscali.co.uk> <501F8EAF.1020000@tiscali.co.uk> <501FC217.2080900@tiscali.co.uk> <3373DD6C-075C-4C38-9E8F-F0290483660B@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3373DD6C-075C-4C38-9E8F-F0290483660B@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:18:15 +0000 (UTC) Matthias Grob wrote: > Short - one entire loop (independent of where loop start is) > Long - back to previous Loopstart (usually further back than short) In *Playback* a ShortPress erases the last overdub for the section starting where you pressed, going forward to loop end/start. ...not the entire loop. As if the playback point is moved back one loop length, but any of the new copy of the loop that is already made is kept. andy wrote >> ...beyond that, the EDP is a bit unpredictable once you start Undoing repeatedly. matt: > hmm, I tried to be pretty authentic because many got used to this kind of behavior of course, but when Undo is pressed repeatedly I have to say I'm not exactly sure what's going to happen. > but I am always open to suggestions ! well, as long as Undo continues to move back through the loop history the fans will be happy :-) Someone's going to ask for Redo eventually, ..that's going to be an interesting puzzle for Evoloop maybe? andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 14:05:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D48C1183460; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:05:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=410YciYjsZirEV3yF0VHJj3QPlQtDz4tSWD2LPUhdbE=; b=qexK5ok50apOhpyIS1eitXwaijECwTQgfg5M7uqwKZ9IQTYc6reM070TvZxCY1baR2 sCNYWzh8vqmDGV+r/gsl2zP8oYO8cgiC0LD0iwi9gUmp8nkG8lq6Btc8x+/uVZgfdREZ Zeh5dCTxMcm6RXF53PeFbB5SZnXYRkQaMHF5Xa+2nIA29udNT34jRiQRX1b0Gu+uU1M1 tOvnzI2eNCnUTmPtLrx0AEEeE7Zt3W/i5Dop1lfshmIhJp1nbYmuLhT+yE7YAxKzBWwS PdWTe8Vc45K/JDoLxPw6LwjgpCRJmdIrXhlzdr5sRO9FZe6kdVU18ZQP+YitkqifRATq CD8A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <502115A1.7080305@tiscali.co.uk> References: <501E71E3.6000100@tiscali.co.uk> <501F8EAF.1020000@tiscali.co.uk> <501FC217.2080900@tiscali.co.uk> <3373DD6C-075C-4C38-9E8F-F0290483660B@gmail.com> <502115A1.7080305@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:05:28 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: B2fQa4ZPrT_kpvVxx9wYOckfwtY Message-ID: Subject: Re: New discovery on EDP!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b343ee6c7706504c6ad7da3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:05:49 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b343ee6c7706504c6ad7da3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 And DIVIDE maybe?, as in smaller than a cycle? On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 3:18 PM, andy butler wrote: > Someone's going to ask for Redo eventually, ..that's going to be an > interesting puzzle > for Evoloop maybe? > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b343ee6c7706504c6ad7da3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And DIVIDE maybe?, as in smaller than a cycle?

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 3:18 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.c= o.uk> wrote:
Someone's going to ask = for Redo eventually, ..that's going to be an interesting puzzle
for Evoloop maybe?



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--047d7b343ee6c7706504c6ad7da3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 14:12:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC8C5183461; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:12:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: New discovery on EDP!!! From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Philipp_Z=FCrcher?= In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:12:21 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <501E71E3.6000100@tiscali.co.uk> <501F8EAF.1020000@tiscali.co.uk> <501FC217.2080900@tiscali.co.uk> <3373DD6C-075C-4C38-9E8F-F0290483660B@gmail.com> <502115A1.7080305@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:12:23 +0000 (UTC) Am 07.08.2012 um 16:05 schrieb mark francombe: > And DIVIDE maybe?, as in smaller than a cycle? Doesn't that exist already (with quantize=3D8th and 8th=3Dmore or less = whatever you like)?= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 14:20:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6FB8183460; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:20:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=RH5WAIo7XRKaPF060gH0voz/le4GJQ0lGGGZT3K5Fv0=; b=Nswkv7L8bV/d2ulwHd4r4AInJgUg6OoSVuB3694zhWL+XRTfDZoPzLDmM/wML96FCl OkkJ3vmXL/uGYOk5xSC+1pLtD2rVelgBbOK6m5kaaO2uqmnWLxdX3IH+wFwPpNx04bqj zxQboCCzhySOTktCeBEv3Zs7C7YitWx7kQUTEU/ByxS5KGarFKx7FSH1jmOF2wNe7WOA evR0hQEDLLIbcRQxaI2VcuNTFCkzv9j7FcXndeMULhfpcFkP7sz1cE89KZDmqNu8NMt3 a9FjUE1X+2WBdB5iJfZnC8CYtH9pbbNSd+kayC/SpJPGeobzpl/C3TsrQOFVu6udDKdj okgA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <501E71E3.6000100@tiscali.co.uk> <501F8EAF.1020000@tiscali.co.uk> <501FC217.2080900@tiscali.co.uk> <3373DD6C-075C-4C38-9E8F-F0290483660B@gmail.com> <502115A1.7080305@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:20:26 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: UbGDEW3-dwLx_yVnhRmUxqyMk3M Message-ID: Subject: Re: New discovery on EDP!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b621e40483b5504c6adb388 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:20:47 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b621e40483b5504c6adb388 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ahh... Im talking about one hit divide, as in divide (8 bars becoms 4) divide (4 to 2) divide (2 to 1) divide 1 to 1/2 divide (1/2 to 1/) ... all the way to Bzzzzzzzzzzz This is how it is on Mobius... M On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Philipp Z=FCrcher = wrote: > > Am 07.08.2012 um 16:05 schrieb mark francombe: > > > And DIVIDE maybe?, as in smaller than a cycle? > > Doesn't that exist already (with quantize=3D8th and 8th=3Dmore or less > whatever you like)? > --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b621e40483b5504c6adb388 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ahh... Im talking about one hit divide, as in divide (8 bars becoms 4) divi= de (4 to 2) divide (2 to 1) divide 1 to 1/2 divide (1/2 to 1/) ... all the = way to Bzzzzzzzzzzz

This is how it is on Mobius...

M

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Philipp Z=FCrche= r <philipp.zuercher@mem.li> wrote:

Am 07.08.2012 um 16:05 schrieb mark francombe:

> And DIVIDE maybe?, as in smaller than a cycle?

Doesn't that exist already (with quantize=3D8th and 8th=3Dmore or= less whatever you like)?



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--047d7b621e40483b5504c6adb388-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 14:25:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E476E183460; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:25:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=FAr3NfyhJt4V8ZJa5zSHtvO+qf+6mxx5c1GBnea9ciI=; b=yHTvhXWP7Dx4niv8UQBoSjv764uuXS5rmVveIIMuju9hdmCrhzvwXJGXMy3x1HAsfj 787QJCnutO+4FZ2IygGrHKkj2iX59LWIq8I/2MjuT1sc4408u0kUn7UGTI48O78k7cR8 G7BrFS4Hly1GrYPjwMshOIIU94d0EZe/iNcVVFFRq1RQ97TIumWNyfa/uq9Sd8dZtHWz /KUQg32VZnchFCOC3vUU5Q3Jp1nQ+AAfOWutDIq6Ysu5Cx1CzgeLMZmaKpKrQfnMn+6g Dej1A+YU8wL8v5x+nKyP3eZshhZsplh8C5F2yGsgBMzAS1F5x4YHRvQ0KSa/I/+JtJQl 8t1w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <501E71E3.6000100@tiscali.co.uk> <501F8EAF.1020000@tiscali.co.uk> <501FC217.2080900@tiscali.co.uk> <3373DD6C-075C-4C38-9E8F-F0290483660B@gmail.com> <502115A1.7080305@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:24:44 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: QUpMtkIM5JojI3yWyVEsL_xCuY0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New discovery on EDP!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b621e40ad164f04c6adc282 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:25:05 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b621e40ad164f04c6adc282 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You can do a multiply + record toe tap, but not accurately... with one hit... plus that would screw up the midi clock output... It must always remain a multiple of the initial loop. And there IS no divide button, so the only ways to UNDER-multiply a multiply. -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b621e40ad164f04c6adc282 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You can do a multiply + record toe tap, but not accurately... with one hit.= .. plus that would screw up the midi clock output... It must always remain = a multiple of the initial loop. And there IS no divide button, so the only = ways to UNDER-multiply a multiply.


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--047d7b621e40ad164f04c6adc282-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 14:25:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 084C0183476; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:25:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=qRixCSXceepgC7uz+HVA66cWE6fC6AyMAZZMOWvPXP8=; b=cMZlJ4uJhUUraW3YWcftjLfRk3raUC5bRnW9fDOlzcbHx/Y1YrhuAp7tikQVN8Soy+ ppHrQhJ5A+8H5jgRzW/2HSuiKngjgVtHpoSq/DAkQXF+fvO8mx+89E+Ua2lSS8GmYmgp CIIPL2zYCh/rccFRl9INtckQWeRBW41XwyIYj277uYoLj7BsSeHb76e/VSAdEjetOlYL RxE+j0WDiILITkD8OmWnhglTOVndUnr6SIYvQEzDOH3YFcrVy0QP5gxiXpf8gGKgE+hJ A7Pa5Zx7qOeuvV1wtSRsclBmgKiGKFt+jC1SqdvNkY/idU8LrHauhk9ZRDgdg7tUSNEX bRDA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <501E71E3.6000100@tiscali.co.uk> <501F8EAF.1020000@tiscali.co.uk> <501FC217.2080900@tiscali.co.uk> <3373DD6C-075C-4C38-9E8F-F0290483660B@gmail.com> <502115A1.7080305@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:25:11 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New discovery on EDP!!! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <8XlKb.A.sI.HVSIQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:25:11 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:20 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Ahh... Im talking about one hit divide, as in divide (8 bars becoms 4) > divide (4 to 2) divide (2 to 1) divide 1 to 1/2 divide (1/2 to 1/) ... all > the way to Bzzzzzzzzzzz > > This is how it is on Mobius... MPLY --> REC ...the Swiss army knife or the EDP. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 14:27:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65BAE183466; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:27:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=8T/Hu8WFV+WOwIT9CJ0fwc75qyNLwov69q7vuA0GRls=; b=S2h+beJ2i/luUMcolxk28GEUfJRPNDkLFk4NlUTdp7tr9Wxry+t+2la7PBZjwI3/Ht bybFM3akNJjAuAcJUvltZOdpF/gjnS6QfWy8t7g+2LXg+ZfOd3bzaz2MaMBHHWCYkdwI Q0TLHxzvZdn0iqzWyKcFfuxRga6ciEU/g72nBB1KdW4X57DBP63eBxbjL5Ar7ZCbagbs jM/NQEhM8rnBDj+rCosGDWBDuYkO7kQOVOaD6VThXb72RPYynhYQJpX90fRuTmno4kGg 0cw+zsfsRHl04Lc2Mf40nCtPro2UZHeLrBkqa9UfTOk8AzyAvfsBhL7ZI+l+I/uhJRLM 0MSw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <501E71E3.6000100@tiscali.co.uk> <501F8EAF.1020000@tiscali.co.uk> <501FC217.2080900@tiscali.co.uk> <3373DD6C-075C-4C38-9E8F-F0290483660B@gmail.com> <502115A1.7080305@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:27:20 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New discovery on EDP!!! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:27:21 +0000 (UTC) You can foresee this by starting off your EDP session with an extremely short cycle that you multiply up for the convenient loop length to proveed with. Per On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:24 PM, mark francombe wrote: > You can do a multiply + record toe tap, but not accurately... with one > hit... plus that would screw up the midi clock output... It must always > remain a multiple of the initial loop. And there IS no divide button, so the > only ways to UNDER-multiply a multiply. > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 14:44:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23BAA183462; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:44:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=4xbUNm3SRBuZL9v+6bzW5ty0MDKHBeE/sa0DRpSW0eU=; b=wTxUX+K7KAsZmC9KqSH41gScdZfOGwxHpCKK0LcjLIW1xMg3tE/vziUWDnkRUi4d2f C/dLo3i3MyASHYSaspawYHzNQ61UCXUYrnNfu2tCqE4u1j/+rOo6+anV+dSOxuRwHWhn Bb7YH9TUdNNAR3Dr3wxqZ7LYBtAp0qXhMZ9AcJ0L8v8luCPFBVo52PHuZKwIU0/DqlO4 5hLWmoc7jfUU9OPQJQh7l+pHjOAVhQiesYy8zbpgO/E3p9py0nnxtqywFuDLq3HOHlD9 5seg7zOgCCHoUuK2fzcg1vjX+XVrRm+6156wMfUjfOEs6ZA32yTfusq+pnqX3GRCiyBn PhXA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: leesloanpianist@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:44:30 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1ckGjgmHwK6ZDtcyPH5aOsmkl1o Message-ID: Subject: Re: midi foot controller theory From: MasterMuso To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340d852ce57a04c6ae086e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:44:31 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340d852ce57a04c6ae086e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Per, I wrote to Xavier at Gordius the other day and asked whether I could drop by and see his units - I was on my way through Belgium. But it wasn't possible, and I haven't been able to see one, let alone try them. So, I'd like to ask you a couple of questions about the Little (or Big Little) Giant ... Do you think it was worth the money? (It IS a lot of money for a midi controller.) Did you find it especially complicated and/or time-consuming to get up to speed with? Do you find it 'easy' to operate with your feet? I think I understand many of the pros of the Gordius - any cons/negatives from your experience? Thanks! Lee On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > The Behringer your mentioning is good. I've worn out three of them. > They worked for about exactly three years. After that I resigned and > invested in a Gordius Little Giant that is supposed to last longer and > take common repair parts when needed. So in the long run that will be > less expensive. > > Your subject line says "midi foot controller theory", so here is my > answer to that: > > The theory is to set up the MIDI foot controller board in a logical > way, then keep it like that and assign bindings in the software on the > receiving software side. Program your pedalboard in as many banks as > you need and set up each pad to send a MIDI Note, starting in bank 1 > with Midi Note number #1. With both the FCB and the LG banks hold ten > pads so the note numbers will correspond to banks and pad numbers. > Neat. Then assign in the software whatever function you want to play > to those note numbers. The expression pedals you may program to send > any #CC number. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 12:40 PM, r williford > wrote: > > I've been thinking of getting a midi foot controller for looping > software. > > I don't see many options besides the behringer fcb1010 which seems pretty > > cool and is about my price range. > > Currently Ive been getting by with just one a sustain pedal Using > ableton's > > looper and cycler-looper > > I've also modified a computer keyboard by taking off all the keys and > > putting a few back on. > > Haven't actually tried it yet but I think I can hit about 5 buttons > > independently > > Any suggestions on midi foot controllers? > > Thanks for the feedback. > > Happy loopin > > -Robin > > > > > > > > --14dae9340d852ce57a04c6ae086e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Per,

I wrote to Xavier at Gordius the other day and asked whether= I could drop by and see his units - I was on my way through Belgium. But i= t wasn't possible, and I haven't been able to see one, let alone tr= y them.

So, I'd like to ask you a couple of questions about the Little (or = Big Little) Giant ...

Do you think it was worth the money? (It IS a= lot of money for a midi controller.)

Did you find it especially com= plicated and/or time-consuming to get up to speed with?

Do you find it 'easy' to operate with your feet?

I think= I understand many of the pros of the Gordius - any cons/negatives from you= r experience?

Thanks!

Lee

On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
The Behringer your mentioning is good. I've worn out three of them.
They worked for about exactly three years. After that I resigned and
invested in a Gordius Little Giant that is supposed to last longer and
take common repair parts when needed. So in the long run that will be
less expensive.

Your subject line says "midi foot controller theory", so here is = my
answer to that:

The theory is to set up the MIDI foot controller board in a logical
way, then keep it like that and assign bindings in the software on the
receiving software side. Program your pedalboard in as many banks as
you need and set up each pad to send a MIDI Note, starting in bank 1
with Midi Note number #1. With both the FCB and the LG banks hold ten
pads so the note numbers will correspond to banks and pad numbers.
Neat. Then assign in the software whatever function you want to play
to those note numbers. The expression pedals you may program to send
any #CC number.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen


On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 12:40 PM, r williford <robinkicksass@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been thinking of getting a midi foot controller for looping s= oftware.
> I don't see many options besides the behringer fcb1010 which seems= pretty
> cool and is about my price range.
> Currently Ive been getting by with just one a sustain pedal =A0Using a= bleton's
> looper and cycler-looper
> I've also modified a computer keyboard by taking off all the keys = and
> putting a few back on.
> Haven't actually tried it yet but I think I can hit =A0about 5 but= tons
> independently
> Any suggestions on midi foot controllers?
> Thanks for the feedback.
> Happy loopin
> -Robin
>
>
>


--14dae9340d852ce57a04c6ae086e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 14:51:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC43518345E; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:51:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=QfMJ25bF1TGdiVYQx7nLFR7/FonDprBUDoplvKv5MTw=; b=0OfwnKV7Fg+y3NeRAVYiMeGdXhK/iW80fRoKKgjT8s3+/eVMLqcAwxMU2wuih1lqGp qovbb+WTTMoaMwEeeFk7R/dPu5y/77OklrNfMyV/VJUndV8yo6Kxz0IYU3ojZyP6uE5k tBRld6CrB/36ekSKrOq0IAcKTqjK3tFefRmJXEzlS45n1FrESca1o3yG0ZIu0JmQ5t0T r6dUr0MPYfaaa4LzVO1ZCzV8I22iazMBLvV9g4ecEJ8T6QdeXZy46TmPsDccnKTSAQvX 6bJ3LhVGnZ3k/y4jwlxLDtoCbSCVMP7NejbDb3bFzTdmfBtVFaPr9PsidPwhfRHO1ApJ Xkmg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <501E71E3.6000100@tiscali.co.uk> <501F8EAF.1020000@tiscali.co.uk> <501FC217.2080900@tiscali.co.uk> <3373DD6C-075C-4C38-9E8F-F0290483660B@gmail.com> <502115A1.7080305@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:50:38 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: VGSJSJdr7jATwa2oq8r_nlY-_2g Message-ID: Subject: Re: New discovery on EDP!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b621e9252dcac04c6ae1f37 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:51:00 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b621e9252dcac04c6ae1f37 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Its all possible on the EDP, but not practical how you describe... I find it hard enough to close a multiply exactly on 32 cycles, what if it took 128 cycles PER musical bar... not possible. I have these "smooth moves" programmed on my drum machine, and can run certain patterns (bit like scripts on Mobius) when I need'em, but its not nice... On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > You can foresee this by starting off your EDP session with an > extremely short cycle that you multiply up for the convenient loop > length to proveed with. > > Per > > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:24 PM, mark francombe > wrote: > > You can do a multiply + record toe tap, but not accurately... with one > > hit... plus that would screw up the midi clock output... It must always > > remain a multiple of the initial loop. And there IS no divide button, so > the > > only ways to UNDER-multiply a multiply. > > > > > > > > -- > > Mark Francombe > > www.markfrancombe.com > > www.ordoabkhao.com > > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > > http://www.looop.no > > twitter @markfrancombe > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b621e9252dcac04c6ae1f37 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Its all possible on the EDP, but not practical how you describe...
I fin= d it hard enough to close a multiply exactly on 32 cycles, what if it took = 128 cycles PER musical bar... not possible.
I have these "smooth mo= ves" programmed on my drum machine, and can run certain patterns (bit = like scripts on Mobius) when I need'em, but its not nice...

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Per Boysen <= span dir=3D"ltr"><perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
You can foresee this by starting off your EDP session with an
extremely short cycle that you multiply up for the convenient loop
length to proveed with.

Per


On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:24 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
> You can do a multiply + record toe tap, but not accurately... with one=
> hit... plus that would screw up the midi clock output... It must alway= s
> remain a multiple of the initial loop. And there IS no divide button, = so the
> only ways to UNDER-multiply a multiply.
>
>
>
> --
> Mark Francombe
> www.markfra= ncombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao= .com
> http://vimeo= .com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no<= /a>
> twitter @markfrancombe
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
>




--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--047d7b621e9252dcac04c6ae1f37-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 15:12:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2066A183460; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:12:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=GBbDtmbD7AYwhzgJ57Qo/3OGlth6ekWXDmGdeDqexDA=; b=fj2mv7tX6Mykwdz+us3mEUffIPMOEz9Ixq0amd13ZYLqid8v9ZKgrkE21rXfPSBLVG frJIb1mp75rjwmxydijnhW/ciQLp9T672zhf2KGVs5dQ533wFKUWTHrP3sz7ZTI1gqH9 mMA1sTmpMq7AJf0C/L+lZmvkL53PSwKTZWq3mAQiYS6S9x45CrZAPDaUnaMxjHMeyl/T 75MeD43aVgQ3KVw3JwD0KhQs1+q1ejfZuEBRZvHqRN2zLg0h34qaTgl2yu7SLMSMC0I1 CQH5s3ePPxw21ZdAcxkOmKaUK8P2A17Q3m033UPNPG3+JffNljMZbaH9buexp8prdclg lfmQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:12:44 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: midi foot controller theory From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <0NxX1.A.L5.sBTIQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:12:44 +0000 (UTC) Hi Lee, Total "yes" to all your questions. That's why I bought one. I don't know yet if it will last for a decade, which would make it cheaper than sticking with Behringer FCBs, but even if it doesn't it is worth the money for me because I do some gigs and plan to play out more often. The sturdy build, the reliable performance and the easy programming through USB with the computer software editor is what counts with me. I also like the fact that you plug in optional Roland EV5 expression pedals when needed, because it makes the unit easer to pack into a flight case and when one expression pedal breaks down you are not fried like you would be with a Behringer FCB that has two built-in xpr pedals. I mostly use four EV5s. One minor issue: if playing a concert at very low volume the click from the switches are acoustically audible (hopefully you play rhythmic music so you can kick them on a beat to mask out the sound musically). The LG is much smaller and lighter than a Behringer but bigger and more heavy than a SoftStep. But on the other hand, the SoftStep is like a toy while the LG is pro gear. Please get me right regarding the SoftStep; I'm finding its functionality chart very exciting but I don't want to take risks using it live due to the minimal tactile feel and fragile construction. Per On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:44 PM, MasterMuso wrote: > Hi Per, > > I wrote to Xavier at Gordius the other day and asked whether I could drop by > and see his units - I was on my way through Belgium. But it wasn't possible, > and I haven't been able to see one, let alone try them. > > So, I'd like to ask you a couple of questions about the Little (or Big > Little) Giant ... > > Do you think it was worth the money? (It IS a lot of money for a midi > controller.) > > Did you find it especially complicated and/or time-consuming to get up to > speed with? > > Do you find it 'easy' to operate with your feet? > > I think I understand many of the pros of the Gordius - any cons/negatives > from your experience? > > Thanks! > > Lee > > On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> The Behringer your mentioning is good. I've worn out three of them. >> They worked for about exactly three years. After that I resigned and >> invested in a Gordius Little Giant that is supposed to last longer and >> take common repair parts when needed. So in the long run that will be >> less expensive. >> >> Your subject line says "midi foot controller theory", so here is my >> answer to that: >> >> The theory is to set up the MIDI foot controller board in a logical >> way, then keep it like that and assign bindings in the software on the >> receiving software side. Program your pedalboard in as many banks as >> you need and set up each pad to send a MIDI Note, starting in bank 1 >> with Midi Note number #1. With both the FCB and the LG banks hold ten >> pads so the note numbers will correspond to banks and pad numbers. >> Neat. Then assign in the software whatever function you want to play >> to those note numbers. The expression pedals you may program to send >> any #CC number. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 12:40 PM, r williford >> wrote: >> > I've been thinking of getting a midi foot controller for looping >> > software. >> > I don't see many options besides the behringer fcb1010 which seems >> > pretty >> > cool and is about my price range. >> > Currently Ive been getting by with just one a sustain pedal Using >> > ableton's >> > looper and cycler-looper >> > I've also modified a computer keyboard by taking off all the keys and >> > putting a few back on. >> > Haven't actually tried it yet but I think I can hit about 5 buttons >> > independently >> > Any suggestions on midi foot controllers? >> > Thanks for the feedback. >> > Happy loopin >> > -Robin >> > >> > >> > >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 17:41:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C6D0183460; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:41:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=aP5omrlS88ZBHyeFnTMsgOyn+BND8hzh+2SreZD2uTM=; b=GvVutzXV0aDBaUrQsElu82J0dxkS4gvbZW7dHiIgrvyN5WuoFxlislfLtzpg40rOLh 5T+TxMwnRToX3eEQAmz46sGI2LpODJPzV+2oYGp564+D9Yu+2Dbb7FGXR8Wx86rPyHl9 dWkH0e8kSdWNYe/L+rKl/uVtw89obyg8IND16QVxwdUGN0h7drZ0n1fuq+qqHFZlEq6E a/yE4x0c/vrVgnlb1xS5/E0nfq3KrOCffiOzmZxnqAu2DWC7UwqpRnDSClR6wI99P79h z8N0JChEku2ejJ9jAZofOdXometK9p7EBPvsZaJdAtznqW6/p0Dbhj8p+76a4lcKktoJ I3Ow== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 12:40:56 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Free One-Man-Band Recording To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00248c71181554874c04c6b08040 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:41:17 +0000 (UTC) --00248c71181554874c04c6b08040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 http://soundcloud.com/mike-fugazzi/carolina-blues I am still very green to this whole recording thing, but here is a "finished" version of the song, "Carolina Blues". The vocals and lead harp sounds were recorded live to the looped tracks. I added the dirty harp sounds later. This is NOT the previously shared version. I re-did everything to get the loops on separate tracks. The first part of the solo had a bit too much clipping, which I tweaked by the outro solo, but rather than mess with this song more, I though I'd share the demo and move on to something else. I used Loopy HD on my iPad 2 to record the loops. I then exported them to my laptop and created the tracks from there so I could mixed the looped parts - beatbox, rotary harmonica, rhythm harmonica, and bass - in Audacity. Live, I could this this exact song with my Boomerang III in mono minus the dirty harmonica, which required changing my Sansamp settings and mike. If you dig the tune, or have specific advice about the recording/mix, that would be appreciated. The track is available for free download to anyone who likes my artist page on Facebook (www.facebook.com/MikeFugazzi/Music) or is signed up for my newsletter (www.mikefugazzi.com...scroll to the bottom of the homepage) tomorrow. I've already started another song using a better hardware setup and Reaper rather than Audacity. I'd like to work more with VST effects rather than doing everything live via the M13. I am working with the people from Boomerang Music and SPAH to try and get them a demo room during the week so people can check out the Rang. I'll have my iPad and Loopy HD with me for anyone interested in checking that out...not sure how much gear I can fit in my suitcase, but I'll see what I can do. Thanks! ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas --00248c71181554874c04c6b08040 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
http://soundcloud.com/mike-fugazzi/carolina-blues
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I am still very green to this whole recording thing, but here is a=20 "finished" version of the song, "Carolina Blues". The = vocals and lead=20 harp sounds were recorded live to the looped tracks. I added the dirty=20 harp sounds later.

This is NOT the previously shared version. I=20 re-did everything to get the loops on separate tracks. The first part=20 of the solo had a bit too much clipping, which I tweaked by the outro=20 solo, but rather than mess with this song more, I though I'd share the= =20 demo and move on to something else.

I used Loopy HD on my iPad 2 to = record the loops.=A0 I then exported them to my laptop and created the trac= ks from there so I could mixed the looped parts - beatbox, rotary harmonica= , rhythm harmonica, and bass - in Audacity.=A0 Live, I could this this exac= t song with my Boomerang III in mono minus the dirty harmonica, which requi= red changing my Sansamp settings and mike.

If you dig the tune, or have specific advice about the recording/mix, t= hat would be appreciated.

The track is available for free download to anyone who likes my artist page on Facebook (www.facebook.com/MikeFugazzi/Music) or is signed up for my newsletter (www.mikefugazzi.com...scroll to the bottom of the homepage) tomorrow.

I've already started another song using a better=20 hardware setup and Reaper rather than Audacity. I'd like to work more= =20 with VST effects rather than doing everything live via the M13.=A0 I am wor= king with the people from Boomerang Music and SPAH to try and get them a de= mo room during the week so people can check out the Rang.=A0 I'll have = my iPad and Loopy HD with me for anyone interested in checking that out...n= ot sure how much gear I can fit in my suitcase, but I'll see what I can= do.

Thanks!
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Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica=
http://www.mik= efugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas


--00248c71181554874c04c6b08040-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 20:24:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8A31183461; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 20:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 279715.32405.bm@omp1019.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1344371037; bh=bTr724epJcDcFkwvHw6LFfak6iPQGaKLTkHdl5c2KMs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tCtH+Ijak+1oH19qy6ECWF4aacz2iqjCMieKC8w5qr2NJHto9GWWo/s9/7ey6snU68iJUqAfXnSIyR/sgKCu3+BdYR0PBFXopbnwNIy+y4ac3lbQMscUYr2nqR6Zu1xzgcaMOartiBfNAZeNHx3cfeTjEnl9lkjoTIe2U61ZL00= X-YMail-OSG: rHumr6YVM1mCgML8c.2UrMggXOW1fwjUTulxuk1uriYpxZ3 9YscT.sdIdc_0CSYp3WzDCfniZsljLokvCfrryDyRvvWvvhQxBY1XAkXpQVO Pmaa8zHNuWuprrkuPuT83EVyezh4hjRNK916tte8k0G4FHZraKKPZklNwbI4 bk.CXOA9Dh4cEWF4lnmb60tC7KQI0LO05sUeIZ3YsNG4CfhAdborMahmJnE. Eu87.WXZE56fRqrK0ho1273O6tWsCOIirxWWMtCJOUPJpxLfGSDDIuAfKpjz jIQRsjW72NDy6yuSzWvUMvxCvGT31kiW6xc4Egvqhpn328xmlAwHB6uky6wp U0mpPRY56qP0rkjevZIxwa8aQN8rTrXcJfeVA2yjzSYMm6LhAAG2S8LJanch 1hbakVANc52AoXVFwx11EMeQgnLjedTzd7aYZUKH2UJrvnu_sUD7.68BFYSk Uj8Px.3yoO1JLwIjDxygcaBDIuqCxSXe2U3QDGNywQ2WPUiP6AUippzZ_uSt T36tn_cdi_4_RfR7rT7kTHlKgKWwGCWOLfdbgnM7HN9_mi3_ZdFacrR5SKVY LSk8CeKC.FHsjEt_RuHfGPPX6KKgZ_bt1eNho6WJulEc4X1dBNJeUQT3JeCN W1aOr_S_CC0xt.poqlImJzUnJhfJ7G6gMHqDeP0DAON2kaCHyKpc2gjmfDdx KDPueL9lBAOnNaoQzwOyFDdkDQRk4jvd1l2IT0mYIHAbqXPfGx_K9X_W_JyL J_DHysJxCnz6BZfGo39RvDvg6tTs0dFWalkq2_P_ynD8iNXQbQiSn X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1344371037.92403.YahooMailClassic@web84510.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:23:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1023692596-1245208228-1344371037=:92403" Resent-Message-ID: <5HYcAB.A.kXD.flXIQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 20:23:59 +0000 (UTC) --1023692596-1245208228-1344371037=:92403 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "laptops and mouth organs"... THAT's traveling light!=20 --- On Mon, 8/6/12, mark francombe wrote: From: mark francombe Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, August 6, 2012, 5:40 PM On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Daniel Thomas wrote= : =0A=0AI have used this firm before. =C2=A0 It cost a little more than going= through the airline freight service and in the end, they turned around and= hired the airline freight service. It was by no means a reccomendation... did you read my stones story, they m= uddled up my guitars with an inflatable woman... however...=C2=A0 When ship= ping a complete bands equipment for large tours of the states, 4 out of 5 t= imes they did it with no hassle, no breakages, the did incredible deals (li= ke aking our gear with Mettalicas one time... AND did all our carnet paperw= ork, even sending a guy to a gig we were doing a week before to scrabble ar= ound under our gear for serial numbers, cos of course we had forgotten them= . =0A=0A They wern=C2=B4t cheap cheap, but they collected our shit from our garage i= n Portsmouth and delivered it to the first gig, the whisky in LA I believe.= .. so.. I call that pretty good... However... loopers... laptops and mouth organs.. thats my advice! =0A=0A =0A =0ADaniel =0AOn Aug 6, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Dennis Moser wrote: =0A =0A> I think it was Mark Francombe that mentioned these guys =E2=80=94 they= ARE =0A> still in business and here's their website: But just for a laugh, I sent them a request for a quote now, for=C2=A0 16U = RACK and pedalboard box... see if I get an answer... If I get a good deal, = you guys in the US better book me a tour..! =0A=0A --=20 Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com =0A=0Awww.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 =0A=0Ahttp://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ =0A=0A =0A --1023692596-1245208228-1344371037=:92403 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"laptops and mouth organs"... THAT's travelin= g light!


--- On Mon, 8/6/12, mark francombe <= mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:

F= rom: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
Subject: Re: Flying w= ith a guitar... or not
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: = Monday, August 6, 2012, 5:40 PM

On Mon, Aug= 6, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Daniel Thomas <danielthomas4@mac.com> wrot= e:
= =0A=0AI have used this firm before.   It cost a little more than going= through the airline freight service and in the end, they turned around and= hired the airline freight service.

It was by no m= eans a reccomendation... did you read my stones story, they muddled up my g= uitars with an inflatable woman... however...  When shipping a complet= e bands equipment for large tours of the states, 4 out of 5 times they did = it with no hassle, no breakages, the did incredible deals (like aking our g= ear with Mettalicas one time... AND did all our carnet paperwork, even send= ing a guy to a gig we were doing a week before to scrabble around under our= gear for serial numbers, cos of course we had forgotten them.
=0A=0AThey wern=C2=B4t cheap cheap, but they collected our shit from our garage = in Portsmouth and delivered it to the first gig, the whisky in LA I believe= ... so.. I call that pretty good...

However... loopers... laptops an= d mouth organs.. thats my advice!
=0A=0A
=0A
=0ADaniel
=0A
On Aug 6, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Dennis Moser w= rote:
=0A
=0A> I think it was Mark Francombe that mentioned these = guys =E2=80=94 they ARE
=0A> still in business and here's their websi= te:

But just for a laugh, I sent them = a request for a quote now, for  16U RACK and pedalboard box... see if = I get an answer... If I get a good deal, you guys in the US better book me = a tour..!
=0A=0A


--
Mark Franc= ombe
www= .markfrancombe.com
=0A=0Awww.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
=0A=0Ahttp://www.looop.no
tw= itter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2447866= 2@N00/
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--1023692596-1245208228-1344371037=:92403-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 20:26:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84540183464; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 20:26:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 900916.82712.bm@omp1012.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1344371175; bh=cf4VYE1+gScazJ7Gd5S2aNfIJdyRMBvpFuHW472lUhU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NnJHTL/1ATXRjfhhblBQlJzFMMqUFkNa9/aGk1vdg43Sn+0zoJC2EtY3FjwKJMgyCRDoFByf1y8ODRCBe+eOLA/gqSkTZF+7MvdYkGlGnWp2dpSTZ8RLJRNEDeZj3SrP1oMhM+7wBozaEj6IckH9NnAjEjkSUr0jaW/1lF5TrEM= X-YMail-OSG: hHC0KO4VM1knswv.Jh1thgHAyz1mexHe8TPH9OwyZQXzJiz lpgUpGNcFIcTG0cVKI1dxCv1mNdGwJEi6yhSm_Z.uvi2ee55r3w_Th8NJpLL ZEeZuLkHqQPfUYrov7PQPyjjtF.wq8epWnMLh0g6_7uMTgRx86CeGCwNV1bo W0KwHnOjEUKSXUW5M10GT4jc.9.WxkxMcvl5ZwPBHsfqnovaN7M0CvUNIBJa mraq3nwcqFoV1bCu7HSXaNy.v4yw_0IezynRGuyR96.KLPnT8KYOR5lLCIoH fSWIi.957Lln9o4ik042ORKA5W5LpgooOvDVRhRl0fO2mfYNXT46vsgPkwDH HBbQS2K8RbzGQwdqwzPJum1bis.s6x_bRK704Urdeal.jlWl4Eq_uvfSDwcc zjz0EgfK83XMOotQTpnVCx8my8rglhEJVE.UU2GhtKFosCwQy1Wj9mpZSh9t 43FLOWzAFuax9tSVxGDoYNM_lRAel4mglS_zMuAEYGB8RyqL5VasJLKXc2Vp Jz_uJXQTffuILPraFkrMSifkk_j8YHnXt8TwW9fXj_iyQdTW.ZVTo3_RUCLx 7Ht9MTE4MggacUmLMbJpYnI0.dNTR0a.LntxDUFwoXyn4vWOL4LaJunbG X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1344371175.45764.YahooMailClassic@web84520.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:26:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 20:26:17 +0000 (UTC) Thank you, Sylvain.=0A=0A=0A=0A--- On Mon, 8/6/12, Sylvain Poitras wrote:=0A=0A> From: Sylvain Poitras =0A> Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not=0A> To: Loopers-= Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> Date: Monday, August 6, 2012, 2:37 PM=0A> I= n my experience, it depends on both=0A> the carrier and the actual plane=0A= > you're flying.=A0 Check you carrier's policy regarding=0A> musical=0A> in= struments and book a flight on the biggest plane you can=0A> get.=A0 I=0A> = like to fly with Air Canada, because their policy is let me=0A> carry my=0A= > instrument on board if it fits in the overhead bin.=A0 My=0A> trombone=0A= > always fit in the overhead bin of the airbus 319 or 320, so=0A> that's=0A= > what I'm flying on when I go to Santa Cruz later this=0A> year.=A0 Last w= eek=0A> I flew to Moncton and back to Ottawa on a small regional=0A> jet.= =A0 My horn=0A> did not fit in the overhead bin and I could only slide it= =0A> partly under=0A> the seat in front of me (and side ways, taking room a= way=0A> from my=0A> fellow traveler).=A0 The flight attendant didn't even= =0A> mention it on both=0A> flights.=A0 Getting on the good side of the fli= ght crew=0A> can save your=0A> ass...=0A> =0A> My advice is to pack your sm= allest guitar in the smallest=0A> and=0A> strongest case you can find and b= ook a flight on the biggest=0A> plane you=0A> can get.=A0 Plan to take it o= n board as carry-on and be=0A> prepared to=0A> gate-check if necessary.=A0 = Most damage occurs when the=0A> instrument moves=0A> around inside the case= (or other objects move within the=0A> case, banging=0A> on the instrument)= .=A0 Remove everything but the=0A> instrument from the=0A> case and secure = it with packing foam or bubble wrap.=0A> =0A> Never check your instrument.= =A0 They will destroy it (as=0A> we've already=0A> heard, the most likely s= cenario is a TSA agent screwing up=0A> your=0A> packing).=A0 Always carry-o= n or gate-check.=A0 If you=0A> must check your=0A> instrument, insist on be= ing present when the TSA opens the=0A> case (this=0A> is in accordance with= their policy:=0A> http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/editori= al_1235.shtm=0A> )=0A> =0A> Sylvain=0A> =0A> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 20:31:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 950E118345C; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 20:31:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 935455.21233.bm@omp1010.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1344371515; bh=/KVBXQVtYnGtyLoiU1+9Y3GiFdX2+n2Bx3tjueinmYY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dxxKUga2QqCeVoT6fJ4t3/K/DOScaNDZwcLAY7UwF4Yv+sKpUATgRKZ4lSMN+d1wusaRUK4FbTmIppkFcHghoi3fkjXLYYayloewcDer3Q0yqIAIDlJz6tjsbgeXWnsz1TVHtL+LsV0FR/obrOwOOkKofD8Kmd6oQqq5CszHdt0= X-YMail-OSG: UGnmB3MVM1n4J3DgcCF4YcFdGR2NyD.emptH.fmp3BuJr49 l_Rm0vnZX_QbQ2glIVqjKPh8s9u1qGFDQxnUvRvr1qNSka9iDirJGkaajWkD LIREvs5T.GLEeRrtWPh11uYORgILwfDksWSOy8x04No57OeVfKib1KI.W5LG ZQMNt8uwsB0rhJatCX9O56BPkw1fhVn2Jc_HoOZ3YIo7KF5JHumki7GuEHsG R8pT7FFtpuR2_.2drMozsd9dLFuCpgYv74TN47i2JrFkz.ll9ITpYM2TQAIV 3QwUqq8OqHW1lbQwFhVqSTeDXqztgdcsuq_78bGXXpNqpbETp2NnaV9NHE0_ NC3Nq_M7KmKJY1emhBM3YDYwe8JGUlD9seI9hCi1skifeNnZ__MFiSWX.fVn f.qC_yigXGDBua2P3EQkUt77fZKzGN85gmx78bF59uuQ3YN.G1VgjeCda_MB Vsn_x0H6Z4dl5tz_Ycf99GkeGCvoC68w4HMbyaQjgxI_NBKfOHEr97elh0xu 2wLDy.Q0z_18ZmOYo_mbS_dka7PI1TKlGp1sRcxNsE_rllEufpOMz31fkn8b 7A.XvAS2k0D2VJ7r8bcKXRysVbRyuKj8Jz7CPb5h7 X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1344371515.7839.YahooMailClassic@web84512.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:31:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <79QFTB.A.JrD.9sXIQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 20:31:57 +0000 (UTC) Freight! There's an idea! Hadn't thought of that.=0AMany thanks to all of y= ou!=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A--- On Mon, 8/6/12, Daniel Thomas = wrote:=0A=0A> From: Daniel Thomas =0A> Subject: Re:= Flying with a guitar... or not=0A> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com= =0A> Date: Monday, August 6, 2012, 1:24 PM=0A> If it is very very valuable = and I=0A> absolutely must travel with it, (say, a vintage guitar) I=0A> fre= ight it rather than handing it over the=0A> airline.=A0=A0=A0This allows me= to use larger shock=0A> mount road cases and purchase adequate=0A> insuran= ce.=A0=A0=A0In fact, beyond the airlines=0A> baggage weight limit, its actu= ally cheaper to freight the=0A> equipment than check it as baggage.=0A> =0A= > In other cases, I have actually just bought a seat for the=0A> guitar.=A0= =A0=A0Expensive but cheaper than=0A> heartbreak.=0A> =0A> =0A> Daniel =0A> = On Aug 6, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Torben Scharling wrote:=0A> =0A> > I had a bro= ken key on a Novation Remote midi keyboard,=0A> that was in it's factory bo= x, after a flight from=0A> Montpellier to Copenhagen (top big for carry-on.= When I=0A> bought my handmade bass in the US, I had it in it's molded=0A> = hardcase flightcase. The case was then covered in blankets,=0A> and put in = a big cardboard box, that I tied some gaffers=0A> tape around, and made a h= andle out of a rope. Nothing=0A> happened. So I guess I concur, that a mold= ed flightcase=0A> (molded to the body of the guitar) + whatever additional= =0A> precautions and extra padding you'd like, is a good start. =0A> > =0A>= > I am however a bit frightened now, after these stories.=0A> If I'm able = to gather the dough in time, I'll also be=0A> performing in Santa Cruz.. Bu= y very unsure which=0A> instruments, and what gear to bring with me. Kinda = stupid=0A> that we'll be several people bringing the same controllers,=0A> = expression pedals, loopers, mics, cables, electric guitars,=0A> etc. etc. a= nd coming from overseas, that's gonna be a=0A> hassle. Anyway still early f= or all that planning, but=0A> thought I'd mention it already :)=0A> > =0A> = > =0A> > On 05/08/2012, at 14.53, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com=0A> wrote:= =0A> > =0A> >> Over the last few years, I've had a good deal of=0A> equipme= nt damage/mishandling by airlines.=A0 I think part=0A> of the problem is th= at the TSA ALWAYS opens my luggage and=0A> they don't repack it carefully.= =0A> >> =0A> >> The last straw was a flight to Ashville, NC, in=0A> 2010.= =A0 I had worked out my packing so that I could fit=0A> my theremin (an irr= eplaceble and valuable Etherwave Pro)=0A> into my carry on suitcase.=A0 How= ever, the plane was a=0A> small jet and I had to leave the suitcase at the = end of the=0A> jetway to be "packed" in the baggage compartment.=A0 I=0A> t= ook my seat and watched the baggage handler grab my=0A> suitcase, swing it = over his head and slam it down on the=0A> cart.=A0 At that very moment, I d= ecided that "This is=0A> it.=A0 Never again. This is bullshit!".=0A> >> =0A= > >> It hurt.=A0 Perhaps the baggage handler was just=0A> thoughtless and m= eant no malice.=A0 However, I didn't=0A> feel like a "valued customer" that= day.=A0 I mean, good=0A> grief -- he was handling carry-on luggage.=A0 Did= the=0A> dumbass ever ask himself, "Why do people carry-on=0A> luggage?"=A0= Duhh -- perhaps it is because the stuff is=0A> fragile or expensive.=0A> >= > =0A> >> And since then, my policy is that if I can't drive=0A> or fly mys= elf (I fly light airplanes) then I don't play the=0A> gig.=A0 It is not lik= e I make enough money to compensate=0A> for the risk.=0A> >> =0A> >> Incide= ntally, I played in Asheville last May and=0A> made the trip via Cessna.=0A= > >> =0A> >> I'd enjoy playing in Santa Cruz again however my=0A> future tr= ips will likely be without equipment so I'd just=0A> attend without playing= .=A0 My light airplane just isn't=0A> equipped to fly over the Rocky mounta= ins and from Kansas=0A> City to Santa Cruz would be a nearly a three-day dr= ive=0A> (one-way).=0A> >> =0A> >> To fly via airlines used to be pretty eas= y and=0A> pleasant.=A0 Now it is a supreme hassle.=A0 And -- on=0A> most ai= rlines one has to pay extra for the privilege of=0A> having one's luggage a= bused.=0A> >> =0A> >> As you can tell, the subject of airline flyhing=0A> w= ith instruments is a sensitive one.=A0 Don't get me=0A> started ....=A0 :)= =0A> >> =0A> >> -- Kevin=0A> >> =0A> >> Quoting Ed Durbrow :=0A> >> =0A> >>> There is always risk, of course, but why don't= =0A> you wrap it in bubble wrap, put cardboard around that, then=0A> more b= ubble wrap, then more cardboard etc. until it is as=0A> big as allowed. Als= o make sure the guitar can't move in a=0A> direction inside the case that c= ould break the headstock,=0A> for example. Then demand/plead to have it han= d carried onto=0A> the plane. I would investigate different airline's=0A> r= eputations. I brought back a very delicate Baroque guitar=0A> to Japan in A= pril and it ended up being hand carried. That=0A> way it doesn't come throu= gh the machines at the luggage=0A> carousels.=0A> >>> =0A> >>> On Aug 5, 20= 12, at 11:55 AM, Tim Mungenast=0A> wrote:=0A> >>> =0A> >>>> Hi Gang!=0A> >>= >> =0A> >>>> I am deeply honored to be able to play this=0A> year's festiva= l. One thing that keeps me awake, though,=0A> besides performance anxiety, = is something even more horrible=0A> than modern air travel: modern air trav= el with a guitar. Out=0A> of all my guitars, I cannot think of a single one= that I=0A> would willingly risk to careless or felonious baggage=0A> handl= ers or overzealous members of the Security Industrial=0A> Complex. Sneaking= a few pedals into my onboard bag should be=0A> easy, but the guitar is a m= uch bigger deal.=0A> >>>> =0A> >>>> Therefore I think I'd be best served by= a=0A> guitar that will fit onboard and be playable but not=0A> something I= 'll get all sentimental over. Should I just look=0A> for a vintage Hondo II= Chiquita (ka-ching!$) or an Erlewine=0A> Lazer (ka-ching again!)? I've bee= n told that even those=0A> Hohner Steinberger copies are getting pricey. Ma= ybe one of=0A> those novelty mini-strats? Any ideas would most welcome and= =0A> greatly appreciated.=0A> >>>> =0A> >>>> =0A> >>>> =0A> >>> =0A> >>> Ed= Durbrow=0A> >>> Saitama, Japan=0A> >>> http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbro= w?feature=3Dwatch=0A> >>> http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/=0A> >>> edurbro= w@sea.plala.or.jp=0A> >>> =0A> >>> =0A> >>> =0A> >>> =0A> >> =0A> >> =0A> >= > =0A> > =0A> =0A> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 21:11:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7799183460; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 21:11:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=gkglpv+6aOjK4oNQfhTOJ5XM+BNkUaS5j3pF5ZY1bCo=; b=etexWybYoRPOWnRCm4ZMoDmAq5FN49IDI1L6PGsxce0XJ0jHq/a41Jlv13FJcQOCgq vvBYxL45u1D3qjaZ++W1VQNIAq49ndxL1ER4TawQirYErWqunzBvPju39Y3XX//QzshB fb+o2oSffDBuZyOs9VSn6Ya6tQpA2T8U3F5n3BdVs1aGzMncVnZ8hD2oITHST7QPb/x9 BEYN32ifItys6SSZIc+l+qXLkR0HXC6hOMeSi1jz8nKu3xwnWROAA+ZMGjQwzDg4xPFM a1meM5ipRQInDKvwK24Z35AqlpF9ur3cyzLomVJryi9tPfJTrOLd8oabBogdpB2Zzlq3 eLDw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1344371037.92403.YahooMailClassic@web84510.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1344371037.92403.YahooMailClassic@web84510.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 23:11:36 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb1f0768f5ebb04c6b37041 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 21:11:37 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8fb1f0768f5ebb04c6b37041 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Tim Mungenast wrote: > "laptops and mouth organs"... THAT's traveling light! Add finger cymbals and you are a band! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen --e89a8fb1f0768f5ebb04c6b37041 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Tim Mungenast <tmungenast@verizon.ne= t> wrote:
"laptops and mouth organs"... THAT's traveling light!


Add finger cymbals and you are a band!<= /div>

--e89a8fb1f0768f5ebb04c6b37041-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 21:17:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D1EF18345E; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 21:17:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-08-07_06:2012-08-07,2012-08-07,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1208070244 Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not From: Daniel Thomas In-reply-to: <1344371175.45764.YahooMailClassic@web84520.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 14:17:45 -0700 Message-id: References: <1344371175.45764.YahooMailClassic@web84520.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 21:17:48 +0000 (UTC) On a related note- When I have to check my instruments, I keep one of those "TSA inspection" tags inside the case. (they leave one whenever they open a bag.) That way, when a TSA'r opens the case, they see that someone else from TSA has already been there. This has greatly reduced the number of times that my overpacking gets mangled. Similarly, I leave a very polite note explaining that the instrument must be packed properly in order to ensure its safety and that I appreciate how focused on safety the TSA is! :) Daniel On Aug 7, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Tim Mungenast wrote: > Thank you, Sylvain. > > > > --- On Mon, 8/6/12, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > >> From: Sylvain Poitras >> Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Date: Monday, August 6, 2012, 2:37 PM >> In my experience, it depends on both >> the carrier and the actual plane >> you're flying. Check you carrier's policy regarding >> musical >> instruments and book a flight on the biggest plane you can >> get. I >> like to fly with Air Canada, because their policy is let me >> carry my >> instrument on board if it fits in the overhead bin. My >> trombone >> always fit in the overhead bin of the airbus 319 or 320, so >> that's >> what I'm flying on when I go to Santa Cruz later this >> year. Last week >> I flew to Moncton and back to Ottawa on a small regional >> jet. My horn >> did not fit in the overhead bin and I could only slide it >> partly under >> the seat in front of me (and side ways, taking room away >> from my >> fellow traveler). The flight attendant didn't even >> mention it on both >> flights. Getting on the good side of the flight crew >> can save your >> ass... >> >> My advice is to pack your smallest guitar in the smallest >> and >> strongest case you can find and book a flight on the biggest >> plane you >> can get. Plan to take it on board as carry-on and be >> prepared to >> gate-check if necessary. Most damage occurs when the >> instrument moves >> around inside the case (or other objects move within the >> case, banging >> on the instrument). Remove everything but the >> instrument from the >> case and secure it with packing foam or bubble wrap. >> >> Never check your instrument. They will destroy it (as >> we've already >> heard, the most likely scenario is a TSA agent screwing up >> your >> packing). Always carry-on or gate-check. If you >> must check your >> instrument, insist on being present when the TSA opens the >> case (this >> is in accordance with their policy: >> http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/editorial_1235.shtm >> ) >> >> Sylvain >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 02:24:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40C1718345E; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 02:24:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 760034.69773.bm@omp1008.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1344392662; bh=raxnIooow7z2S7Hn7pKUCWn/w4XKo8ujj9uNkI6H5XU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=m6Blk2m+e3Mg2xZLbQRZ+9d2PVLVQ/+4R4i9DwNarw4i3lPhAddfimChexsJ2PhIi5fKgqFsktnmjHgpKoDal7/l80whQpJ87GHzsVzLWlxjngi+jf5uaBkmnJ+0rS4QDaao4r3h92Gn8TjFF4RrzKhyWjokhu2oCou7BcO9wUc= X-YMail-OSG: 5HQfNMAVM1nOIAFA9AvovFeBjd46C_q5hI9kNBWMMP814VM 3Ac8HtRJSkPXQ6GMSqQtvDq17pOqkTJ0gFzl2zAv3TgrFFegioNZaQiF8e2c 9iaNcwNK2VdoT.B3Zsmdrg35FMZNsUJIbl7v9GiqRCZ0swmmLHTjRRRxdlMg NMPtHJnBkoptYz8DxRi_.30vSuVwLokjP5iu_gFiMwFREPkgOkZJqdZ_njFs UX9kbDbqm25FDj2HzQrD2wzVfQ6DaJQaZJrDwo3l4KRLQ.T8pL172CvDshuP 1sjVrY1biPJjWVvDnpRcTT0Z0axg4f_y9Yogy_kRxSZ2Hrl0U89Y22ULs_PV HCnrFvk9Sx0j6gwb9Gedu5k02LSOMihHSqJo2lPzNXOEuAm8Tx.7_rpvUinh Wj.W4nhC7DXXB.86SXAkpU0msmFpY4PI9J8Pu9S5T46C8qwtZCVz1to3U43h jzfWwo1OYg.Z6c9uXPHFFKoZuJ5ykraMX2s0M7KL_g27G2Yc.Qlf.nMVDZw7 ivVOauIMtjx5tzUmTbeNApwk4bJT3tfnxI68kp5m30ff81oUp8ngpMmolLcG 0jAhT2ZLiF_N8XPsZVNXNUIWkeKTtMn0uD436s6DKtLqzXCQr6kCxgH9C X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1344392661.44809.YahooMailClassic@web84511.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 19:24:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 02:24:24 +0000 (UTC) =0ACool. Well, I suppose they're like most people, in that if you treat the= m like human beings they are more likely to return the favor.=0A=0A=0A=0A--= - On Tue, 8/7/12, Daniel Thomas wrote:=0A=0A> From:= Daniel Thomas =0A> Subject: Re: Flying with a guita= r... or not=0A> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> Date: Tuesday, = August 7, 2012, 5:17 PM=0A> On a related note-=A0 When I have=0A> to check = my instruments, I keep one of those "TSA=0A> inspection" tags inside the ca= se.=A0 (they leave one=0A> whenever they open a bag.)=A0 That way, when a T= SA'r=0A> opens the case, they see that someone else from TSA has=0A> alread= y been there.=A0 This has greatly reduced the=0A> number of times that my o= verpacking gets mangled.=A0=0A> Similarly, I leave a very polite note expla= ining that the=0A> instrument must be packed properly in order to ensure it= s=0A> safety and that I appreciate how focused on safety the TSA=0A> is!=A0= :)=0A> =0A> Daniel =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> On Aug 7, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Tim Mun= genast wrote:=0A> =0A> > Thank you, Sylvain.=0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > ---= On Mon, 8/6/12, Sylvain Poitras =0A> wrote:=0A= > > =0A> >> From: Sylvain Poitras =0A> >> Subje= ct: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not=0A> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-d= elight.com=0A> >> Date: Monday, August 6, 2012, 2:37 PM=0A> >> In my experi= ence, it depends on both=0A> >> the carrier and the actual plane=0A> >> you= 're flying.=A0 Check you carrier's policy=0A> regarding=0A> >> musical=0A> = >> instruments and book a flight on the biggest plane=0A> you can=0A> >> ge= t.=A0 I=0A> >> like to fly with Air Canada, because their policy=0A> is let= me=0A> >> carry my=0A> >> instrument on board if it fits in the overhead= =0A> bin.=A0 My=0A> >> trombone=0A> >> always fit in the overhead bin of th= e airbus 319 or=0A> 320, so=0A> >> that's=0A> >> what I'm flying on when I = go to Santa Cruz later=0A> this=0A> >> year.=A0 Last week=0A> >> I flew to = Moncton and back to Ottawa on a small=0A> regional=0A> >> jet.=A0 My horn= =0A> >> did not fit in the overhead bin and I could only=0A> slide it=0A> >= > partly under=0A> >> the seat in front of me (and side ways, taking room= =0A> away=0A> >> from my=0A> >> fellow traveler).=A0 The flight attendant d= idn't=0A> even=0A> >> mention it on both=0A> >> flights.=A0 Getting on the = good side of the=0A> flight crew=0A> >> can save your=0A> >> ass...=0A> >> = =0A> >> My advice is to pack your smallest guitar in the=0A> smallest=0A> >= > and=0A> >> strongest case you can find and book a flight on=0A> the bigge= st=0A> >> plane you=0A> >> can get.=A0 Plan to take it on board as carry-on= =0A> and be=0A> >> prepared to=0A> >> gate-check if necessary.=A0 Most dama= ge occurs=0A> when the=0A> >> instrument moves=0A> >> around inside the cas= e (or other objects move=0A> within the=0A> >> case, banging=0A> >> on the = instrument).=A0 Remove everything but=0A> the=0A> >> instrument from the=0A= > >> case and secure it with packing foam or bubble=0A> wrap.=0A> >> =0A> >= > Never check your instrument.=A0 They will=0A> destroy it (as=0A> >> we've= already=0A> >> heard, the most likely scenario is a TSA agent=0A> screwing= up=0A> >> your=0A> >> packing).=A0 Always carry-on or=0A> gate-check.=A0 I= f you=0A> >> must check your=0A> >> instrument, insist on being present whe= n the TSA=0A> opens the=0A> >> case (this=0A> >> is in accordance with thei= r policy:=0A> >> http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/editorial= _1235.shtm=0A> >> )=0A> >> =0A> >> Sylvain=0A> >> =0A> >> =0A> > =0A> =0A> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 07:11:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28A2A183462; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 07:11:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=3FokC1QI/S6vvaSQNES6XeAA+gItmQW+W3T/B8HFp24=; b=jgPW8eFdyrLadkZdqbwguKUbZ4pUUbE0dBCXLnajU6icSEv/UyBivlbkrJZAfBwH1D TdVZfFTilE3LvY+pjkKnU/bwOnHls/aWBOnj5Vb/nY+6DupcHzqkN1GRi7FqqclzOPTM 0Z9G79HAHKAfV85ANQwJYMv4EecdySSxlIgl4JCdDRwP/2vVNOSQOF5cH/kVoFb/em1o eiNPJSQx97V6STEiRVYbaSWCYoS6zH1x/u5OS3bcHRCBBrQBfw+S/6hJ832U4StQ9d3e S0xfJUbvS8UtZyz1hivZoVcjyg5GnhgQpO2AYcTKg2QrPn2Z5boxsBCwEoR3aQ5gKhwt RGMQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 09:11:23 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: G2vT7rby7JX1h6zJpvOKsvMDmw0 Message-ID: Subject: cycle divide+midi clock relationship (was: New discovery on EDP!!!) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b62473cc0993204c6bbd236 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 07:11:45 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b62473cc0993204c6bbd236 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My personal discovery of how EDP (and therfore Echoloop) is handling memory and undo, has made me think about an old issue. Therefore new thread name. Im wondering a bit now how people handle the difference between the 8th note (as its called on EDP) or subcycle (as its called on Mobius and Echoloop) settings in relation to how they affect the midi clock output. When running other external gear, and using the looper as the clock master, the 8th note quantize setting will affect your external gear. Now some boxes are clever, my fireworx used to be, and the GR55 is clever, adjusting its echos and other synched effects correctly. to the nearest sensible division. I DOUBT you will find a drum machine that does this. I personally get around this by having 2 EDPs... one of them only is sending synch to the other devices and I have it set to 8th, and never do short things on it... the other brother synched EDP, I routinely flip around the 8th setting to what ever I need, 8 for musical, 64 for glitchy. Internally on a laptop system I guessing hosts like Bidule have some er... bidules that can multiply and divide the midi clock, but what in hardware? Is there a box on the market, that cleverly analyses the midi clock in, and then translates it into a sensible clock speed, like forcing between 60 and 180 bpm? Or? What other tricks are there? Is this something that the designers of Evoloop might consider, having 2 different settings for midi clock output multiple and quantize setting multiple? Mark On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:50 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Its all possible on the EDP, but not practical how you describe... > I find it hard enough to close a multiply exactly on 32 cycles, what if it > took 128 cycles PER musical bar... not possible. > I have these "smooth moves" programmed on my drum machine, and can run > certain patterns (bit like scripts on Mobius) when I need'em, but its not > nice... > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b62473cc0993204c6bbd236 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My personal discovery of how EDP (and therfore Echoloop) is handling memory= and undo, has made me think about an old issue. Therefore new thread name.=

Im wondering a bit now how people handle the difference between the= 8th note (as its called on EDP) or subcycle (as its called on Mobius and E= choloop) settings in relation to how they affect the midi clock output.

When running other external gear, and using the looper as the clock mas= ter, the 8th note quantize setting will affect your external gear.

N= ow some boxes are clever, my fireworx used to be, and the GR55 is clever, a= djusting its echos and other synched effects correctly. to the nearest sens= ible division. I DOUBT you will find a drum machine that does this.

I personally get around this by having 2 EDPs... one of them only is se= nding synch to the other devices and I have it set to 8th, and never do sho= rt things on it... the other brother synched EDP, I routinely flip around t= he 8th setting to what ever I need, 8 for musical, 64 for glitchy.

Internally on a laptop system I guessing hosts like Bidule have some er= ... bidules that can multiply and divide the midi clock, but what in hardwa= re? Is there a box on the market, that cleverly analyses the midi clock in,= and then translates it into a sensible clock speed, like forcing between 6= 0 and 180 bpm?

Or? What other tricks are there?

Is this something that the desi= gners of Evoloop might consider, having 2 different settings for midi clock= output multiple and quantize setting multiple?

Mark



On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:50 PM, mark francom= be <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
Its all possible on the EDP, but not practical how you describe...
I fin= d it hard enough to close a multiply exactly on 32 cycles, what if it took = 128 cycles PER musical bar... not possible.
I have these "smooth mo= ves" programmed on my drum machine, and can run certain patterns (bit = like scripts on Mobius) when I need'em, but its not nice...
--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.c= om/photos/24478662@N00/

--047d7b62473cc0993204c6bbd236-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 10:21:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A5FE183462; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 10:21:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=UeB5N9XpD7N7ii9UXpXu4uNKWEmsv9wWU2NR7+URfbg=; b=fk+sYZqzKQMfGoO2B1/dt8nqIKxHDAqCFW3SOuZtpVZ3Y5+kZ/mudN5It7U96JJr9H epm8dOHU8wwEhkVs1jw4p/AZBrkVUIcs2gvBiRxer5szhEpspvvjGeRYkItNlBkGtSwg MdQEANyJYOiOrNZjSRKFv6DSxGzEAgBBdc1/4m7LhVzw5/nqvEXpR/4+SrZ46VM8FKpV aG4xywFP7mWLTmmHUhukGzUiJYNY0DnZWTIZ7PdSsZBGJAJzaGp8rOz5ALDqhtCaYl6W 0SPwpCfr8vsczXSoaNHWhKlsYCNLjbMIz/NwaqQCYbbekE3nEa2jTWHS8FZhrQZlrMBy h0vw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 12:21:46 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: cycle divide+midi clock relationship (was: New discovery on EDP!!!) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 10:21:47 +0000 (UTC) Great tech thread, Mark! This was one of my biggest challenges back when I used an EDP as the sync master. Luckily the Repeater, I was syncing to the EDP MIDI clock output, seemed to hook up with a division of the tempo when the EDP offered a too fast tempo (as when you want to go glitchy and start the EDP session at a very short "8th note"). But drum machine and delays went totally nuts. Today I use Mobius as the tempo master looper and totally rely on its global preferences setting for Maximum/Minimum Tempo. That way the looper will divide or multiply the tempo with two and send out an appropriate tempo signal within the set tempo range. That is something I wished for even back in the EDP days. Can't think about a better solution, really. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 9:11 AM, mark francombe wrote: > My personal discovery of how EDP (and therfore Echoloop) is handling memory > and undo, has made me think about an old issue. Therefore new thread name. > > Im wondering a bit now how people handle the difference between the 8th note > (as its called on EDP) or subcycle (as its called on Mobius and Echoloop) > settings in relation to how they affect the midi clock output. > > When running other external gear, and using the looper as the clock master, > the 8th note quantize setting will affect your external gear. > > Now some boxes are clever, my fireworx used to be, and the GR55 is clever, > adjusting its echos and other synched effects correctly. to the nearest > sensible division. I DOUBT you will find a drum machine that does this. > > I personally get around this by having 2 EDPs... one of them only is sending > synch to the other devices and I have it set to 8th, and never do short > things on it... the other brother synched EDP, I routinely flip around the > 8th setting to what ever I need, 8 for musical, 64 for glitchy. > > Internally on a laptop system I guessing hosts like Bidule have some er... > bidules that can multiply and divide the midi clock, but what in hardware? > Is there a box on the market, that cleverly analyses the midi clock in, and > then translates it into a sensible clock speed, like forcing between 60 and > 180 bpm? > > Or? What other tricks are there? > > Is this something that the designers of Evoloop might consider, having 2 > different settings for midi clock output multiple and quantize setting > multiple? > > Mark > > > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:50 PM, mark francombe > wrote: >> >> Its all possible on the EDP, but not practical how you describe... >> I find it hard enough to close a multiply exactly on 32 cycles, what if it >> took 128 cycles PER musical bar... not possible. >> I have these "smooth moves" programmed on my drum machine, and can run >> certain patterns (bit like scripts on Mobius) when I need'em, but its not >> nice... > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 11:24:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E6CB183461; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 11:24:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=lVSb8Dg4YokkX9Ymk3EDCgxhKdR1DzZaUMx9ssEPNLQ=; b=HolbOa7MXl+GFGBZ34B37EbEpjPsCaXhgQW+JJUkutq7Qwr/7JzEK8cxuAQLlzEQlY Fc5aGd+TDZ/F2VZ2CimKlJRICrlHpflRBUKqNtRGACftANZH6RkOCjOl6B27pMJiFywu gUkzDWeQ4BSABh+lgnxi4QMhbRHX5sTNhCIBeSqC9k4KTmC+UgpYj6yfo6vh7scLrdzH ecLEtGz7MSN8VTopmskjSKR4i+yU9CThjcyEZM4Wl4+MPx7OAEFwZQ7iKgpI2YldnWT2 jVdRV8k6H/y4vxHqoGnhjQnAx5lT3IugYJB6P2jigoX8Dgp66Tf/sCbpnbAQogOPRan/ YAmQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 13:24:46 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Great round-up article comparing DAWs From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 11:24:48 +0000 (UTC) Since there has been a lot of discussion abut different Digital Audio Workstations on this list I'd like to recommend those interested to read this excellent article: Your DAW: getting engaged, married, or divorced? http://www.filmmusicmag.com/?p=9865 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 11:29:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14C73183461; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 11:29:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=GQ56EfyeOVbA6xYdmI/oQknmCcRA2zc/01e33nyAFKo=; b=AVC4noIbzJ/rowJ+9gau2FZqxChZGNuub1SelBqolIDLLzNszTyYCIO/U5hNcYgO0E yk4JNsR6EYrWY/C/kPE4xOxaeRTkOxQk0h7e5IN8mi4PcXoavS+c6AZfppqnKQrzjkkA HjNJYPnthaTPhU2QLV58PN5668t8NaghQkXzda9FDRKHLM1snpilgH6k3kh5XHxS7TA3 6j47ffYJTrRynf6XAqJ6u7rJPSBbjuDGxar2yW4WE2lbAqj+RFSgmM3S5JAjClQRbTrX G37cnocUHw614tTHv8TeCuqfbKOQMmanU6lrhOLKugxdUl2jKrX+GNijZcpiy3ZhI0c6 oylg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 07:29:36 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: midi foot controller theory From: r williford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f3ba85bffe06c04c6bf6c20 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 11:29:37 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f3ba85bffe06c04c6bf6c20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks so much everybody for the feedback. I was introduced to stuff I didn't know about. POK Wireless is an awesome idea. I wish i could turn all of my wires into wireless I'm likely to go with the Rolls' MP128 now. Seeing the picture of MP128 vs FCB1010 I like the smaller size and the midi powered. I noticed the fcb has staggered row of pedals and the MP128 is not. Does it ever cause a problem accidentally hitting a pedal because they are one in front of the other with the Rolls? So yesterday I took some plastic and superglue and made a pedal out of a qwerty board I've got 5 good pedal locations so far. I'm gonna try to make 8 work today. I was wondering if you only had 5 or 6 pedals what are the functions you get the most mileage out of or just can't live without. Or the ones you could live without. Obviously record takes a slot. Eventually Ill get 8 pedals at least but I would just like to hear others' most used and/or least used functions. Thanks loopy people Robin --e89a8f3ba85bffe06c04c6bf6c20 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks so much everybody for the feedback.=A0
I was introduced to stuff= I didn't know about.=A0
POK Wireless is an awesome idea. I w= ish i could turn all of my wires into wireless
I'm likely to = go with the=A0 Rolls' MP128=A0now.=A0
Seeing the picture of MP128 vs FCB1010
I like the smaller= size and the midi powered.=A0
I noticed the fcb has staggered row of pedals
and the MP128 = is not. Does it ever cause a problem accidentally hitting a pedal because t= hey are one in front of the other with the Rolls?
So yesterday I = took some plastic and superglue and made a pedal out of a qwerty board
I've got 5 good pedal locations so far. I'm gonna try to make = 8 work today.=A0
I was wondering if you only had 5 or 6 pedals wh= at are the functions you get the most mileage out of or just can't live= without. Or the ones you could live without.=A0
Obviously record takes a slot. Eventually Ill get 8 pedals at least bu= t I would just like to hear others' most used and/or least used functio= ns.=A0

Thanks loopy people=A0
Robin --e89a8f3ba85bffe06c04c6bf6c20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 11:37:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B54118345E; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 11:37:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=jmr/8M3ZihYuJTYnX2147nIwfPOVXqOyJi+oJIAIw+M=; b=aGyfcUCcAzHgKfdRkm9UpvUy6bmTVTlWTgQi8NHoceHtBeSzfxUQctpC4mtT/kPGFN n5q9LRhcOZWM44Rm20A8Mcp5fByesKebMOBMKTev8EAL1c1SVBVT0UJ+NztuTDLCap+K BEaeZb9Zg+SWZ4XpYeBiG8JHBG+ODPVaHml0nxZRFKacRqHYkC01kib0kWU90uPkR6P0 BCo6H441vqjGhBo15DPft9AiNEkVW6OKX6WXZcVH9ZR001n/5Fq9flGfTov4dDUq1Tuz wp9AlI/G/q3oODOuIDlNIyQs5uM/KR9JnTI+gq2SL9WqUpi5/w/AuAdj9l7F8mUoDq+k HmHg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 13:37:03 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Duo session recorded - using Mobius new Speed Bend stuff From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 11:37:04 +0000 (UTC) Yesterday was a fun high speed day over here. I woke up and during a quick breakfast in front of the screen I noticed that Mobius has finally got blessed with continuous (not half note pitch quantized) speed bending. Like vinyl or real tape scratching. Wow! I had fifteen minutes before the flamenco guitar and oud player was going to come for a session and took a wild chance in downloading, installing and assigning the Speed Bend function to an expression pedal. Wow, Speed Bending is so fun, you can hear it in the Flamenco Guitar and Stick piece from 2:45 and onwards. http://soundcloud.com/pboy/oud-vs-twelve-stringed-grand http://soundcloud.com/pboy/flamenco-guitar-vs-twelve Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 12:04:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E061183461; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 12:04:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=U5NSRLbOTiwskXucim/RNxZWi1fwm+3LXYDJKwimSQc=; b=LKtcNFqMdm+v4Maf0tPaNr9s0QQ8+vWZBsxdDC3PvxFVYKg6XC+OMEN8KPcgsCTQVz OFVVbU1YRb2G3Z3OtK4Gd3bcCLqcuKfoXGjrUjC1IPt6GmapiEVZNaIreO9TwqytHXn5 fIh32hyZOqEBcA0GegvQKUxbn5bqXPLsgDyAKU2IZ+EdG5fgHld2kHpHQ8es3K2z7Xhc o87PxoE8JKOdqtxC5QQI0fD4YOxlAXycclk2w0KBHj29yvRkgZns+1rquYQ6Tgm2qMw2 11kSHsdtSlhBRsZLVZC/0+AxNZw2azJgJg135VFLt6eQTjIdy4gZOhTR3k27CpHXxwGs e+3w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 14:04:16 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: zxeyLbHfielY-H7Nq0aWnoQjTBE Message-ID: Subject: Re: Great round-up article comparing DAWs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b621e4033991904c6bfeadb Resent-Message-ID: <4_e98C.A.EcE.WXlIQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 12:04:38 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b621e4033991904c6bfeadb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Interesting reading, but no overall score at the end? I feel like the guy mentioned who changes his DAW more often than Car Oil... (whats that?) I started on PC with Acid, went to Cubase, went back to Acid, moved to mac, Used Reaper and now Logic... Have to say I miss Acid... M On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Since there has been a lot of discussion abut different Digital Audio > Workstations on this list I'd like to recommend those interested to > read this excellent article: > > Your DAW: getting engaged, married, or divorced? > http://www.filmmusicmag.com/?p=9865 > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b621e4033991904c6bfeadb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting reading, but no overall score at the end?
I feel like the gu= y mentioned who changes his DAW more often than Car Oil... (whats that?)
I started on PC with Acid, went to Cubase, went back to Acid, moved to= mac, Used Reaper and now Logic...

Have to say I miss Acid...

M



On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Since there has been a lot of discussion abu= t different Digital Audio
Workstations on this list I'd like to recommend those interested to
read this excellent article:

Your DAW: getting engaged, married, or divorced?
http://= www.filmmusicmag.com/?p=3D9865

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen




--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--047d7b621e4033991904c6bfeadb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 12:39:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A487183464; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 12:39:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=e3iQ+NXIMwbqQ0vA9nyGIpzT21T7CAThCWQsItyFk90=; b=TFN9Mev7oKDkGbQakyR+V0nM91u3eUOmCkxjHyNOawU/mAEEt4jX8IEo8V9DmoWRoE eTnhzpreWzGd4wDc0cL1VVvTHPvqzZ4iT6KJdvEKsmP2flmlhmtNk7kjvYXqJ6oBVnjh FkYpGzkZZf9Z0geQXDDnaAFdgVPBQJ08BxbUjP+sabsuFj11xTKp4qas2euin5hDj9bD 06Pau0WlYUeG7Xc5ucvSMrtYMRvkvjix1Ub7+5UtlOoRuGaRP89q4550QdsT/dmY9q28 cM/O64UnrjbsiNZpWMTFZ4XhUOVCB9Q7H1d1H6W9D1V7T/BpKOQFxwrSbckpynOxa4cM Pn1Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 14:39:07 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Great round-up article comparing DAWs From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <0tTsCB.A.byE.s3lIQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 12:39:08 +0000 (UTC) Do you really think a score chart would make sense? The writer did explain well the pros and cons with each DAW and when it comes to how effectively you work with a DAW it doesn't have much to do with measurable features as it has to do with your own approach to using the DAW as your tool. I think not presenting an overal score chart is what makes this article trustable, serious and professional. I started out with an Atari computer and Steinberg Pro-24 software plus a bunch of rack synths and samplers. The Pro-24 sucked (did not keep up the timing) and when Cubase was launched I switched to that. By the time digital hard disc recording got available the company Atari died and only Digidesign offered the needed CPU extension hardware needed for the Mac platform. So I stuffed away the Atari and the Akai samplers to buy a Mac computer and an AudioMedia nubus card from Digidesing. As for software I decided to switch from Cubase to the newcomer Logic, because when signed to major record labels as an artist I had met many DJ based remix engineers that all reworked our tracks in C-Lab (Logic's predecessor) and been able to hear with my own ears that MIDI timing was good in C-Lab Creator/Notator but sucked in Cubase. By then only Logic and Cubase offered hard disc recording and there was still no option for Windows PC. These caught up though, thanks to the Pentium processors, and then the extra hardware from Digidesign was not needed; you could in fact record audio on a native system. Already back then Digi's products were very expensive (because they work in a stable way, and pro's tend to pay for that) so I decided to "go native" and cross-graded my Logic licens to run on Windows PC. That was a great system around the late nineties! Then Ableton Live came around with a good solution for "flexible audio", wich in technical terms means instant time-stretching to match tempo changes and pitch shifting and I started using Live quite a lot. Live started out as a great live sampler but over time it changed into becoming a DAW so with Logic around I really didn't find much use for Live (except for some live work setups). And when Logic suddenly joined the party, quite late, and offered flex audio I very rarely find any need to boot up Live (only for doing real-time playback based random scripted slicing and DSP processing of recorded looops; Live is very good at that, like an instant StutterEdit thing). That was my personal DAW history. All other software I have been and am using is for realt-time performance; Bidule, Mainstage, M... But the more you tweak the more you learn about sound design and realize that most DSP can be achieved by nifty signal routing in many different applications. My audio imagination works along the classic studio concept: a sound source is led into a mixer where the signal can be EQ'ed, spitted and sent to a patchbay where it passes through all kinds of gear before it returns to the mixer to be blended with everything else. Nothing of this has changed in the digital world, it's all the same thinking and thus a lot of applications are good for most things. For me Logic in the studio and Mainstage on the stage is the most convenient because both applications share the same database of prestes and channel strips. You "get more for less" not only money-wise but also measured in time worked. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 2:04 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Interesting reading, but no overall score at the end? > I feel like the guy mentioned who changes his DAW more often than Car Oil... > (whats that?) > > I started on PC with Acid, went to Cubase, went back to Acid, moved to mac, > Used Reaper and now Logic... > > Have to say I miss Acid... > > M > > > > > On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> Since there has been a lot of discussion abut different Digital Audio >> Workstations on this list I'd like to recommend those interested to >> read this excellent article: >> >> Your DAW: getting engaged, married, or divorced? >> http://www.filmmusicmag.com/?p=9865 >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 12:39:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D30F183474; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 12:39:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Subject: Re: Duo session recorded - using Mobius new Speed Bend stuff From: Tristan Zand In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 14:39:19 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <009D1EA1-2F15-4AE0-9095-882BA23CA56F@zzz.ch> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: <9StmaD.A.81E.53lIQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 12:39:21 +0000 (UTC) I love it! Sounds great! Keep on sending examples ;D z http://zzz.ch http://loopr.net On 8 ao=FBt 2012, at 13:37, Per Boysen wrote: > Yesterday was a fun high speed day over here. I woke up and during a > quick breakfast in front of the screen I noticed that Mobius has > finally got blessed with continuous (not half note pitch quantized) > speed bending. Like vinyl or real tape scratching. Wow! I had fifteen > minutes before the flamenco guitar and oud player was going to come > for a session and took a wild chance in downloading, installing and > assigning the Speed Bend function to an expression pedal. Wow, Speed > Bending is so fun, you can hear it in the Flamenco Guitar and Stick > piece from 2:45 and onwards. >=20 > http://soundcloud.com/pboy/oud-vs-twelve-stringed-grand > http://soundcloud.com/pboy/flamenco-guitar-vs-twelve >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 12:48:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8378818345D; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 12:48:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Tristan Zand Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F38422CA-FDD7-472F-996D-015F0D6EF772" Subject: Re: midi foot controller theory Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 14:48:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: <6368230C-AF7F-49DF-A3EA-F980C2D697C1@zzz.ch> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 12:48:15 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_F38422CA-FDD7-472F-996D-015F0D6EF772 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Actually, the upper row being a bit higher (there's a step), and because = the switch clicks but doesn't need much distance to be activated, I = hardly ever have a problem. It's actually more precise because I don't = need to press as much as with the FCB. I didn't think about it, but you could also find a second hand version = of the MP128, the MP1288 (they sadly don't make them anymore), you'll = have an incredible powerhouse with 8 cc inputs extra.. http://www.rolls.com/pdf/M_MP1288.pdf Cheers, hope that helps z http://zzz.ch http://loopr.net On 8 ao=FBt 2012, at 13:29, r williford wrote: > Thanks so much everybody for the feedback.=20 > I was introduced to stuff I didn't know about.=20 > POK Wireless is an awesome idea. I wish i could turn all of my wires = into wireless > I'm likely to go with the Rolls' MP128 now.=20 > Seeing the picture of MP128 vs FCB1010 > I like the smaller size and the midi powered.=20 > I noticed the fcb has staggered row of pedals > and the MP128 is not. Does it ever cause a problem accidentally = hitting a pedal because they are one in front of the other with the = Rolls? > So yesterday I took some plastic and superglue and made a pedal out of = a qwerty board > I've got 5 good pedal locations so far. I'm gonna try to make 8 work = today.=20 > I was wondering if you only had 5 or 6 pedals what are the functions = you get the most mileage out of or just can't live without. Or the ones = you could live without.=20 > Obviously record takes a slot. Eventually Ill get 8 pedals at least = but I would just like to hear others' most used and/or least used = functions.=20 >=20 > Thanks loopy people=20 > Robin --Apple-Mail=_F38422CA-FDD7-472F-996D-015F0D6EF772 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 http://www.rolls.com/pdf/M_= MP1288.pdf
Cheers, hope that = helps
z

On= 8 ao=FBt 2012, at 13:29, r williford wrote:

Thanks so = much everybody for the feedback. 
I was introduced to stuff I = didn't know about. 
POK Wireless is an awesome idea. I = wish i could turn all of my wires into wireless
I'm likely to = go with the  Rolls' = MP128 now. 
Seeing the picture of MP128 vs = FCB1010
I like the smaller size and the midi = powered. 
I noticed the fcb has staggered row of pedals
and the = MP128 is not. Does it ever cause a problem accidentally hitting a pedal = because they are one in front of the other with the Rolls?
So = yesterday I took some plastic and superglue and made a pedal out of a = qwerty board
I've got 5 good pedal locations so far. I'm gonna try to make 8 = work today. 
I was wondering if you only had 5 or 6 = pedals what are the functions you get the most mileage out of or just = can't live without. Or the ones you could live without. 
Obviously record takes a slot. Eventually Ill get 8 pedals at least = but I would just like to hear others' most used and/or least used = functions. 

Thanks loopy = people 
Robin

= --Apple-Mail=_F38422CA-FDD7-472F-996D-015F0D6EF772-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 14:55:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17EC018345D; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 14:55:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=a23YOC4jv93C3LGcXedXzT5FvLsmlEYkJcRjhh/N0E0=; b=iF3gf714DTSz2/lreiZCUQTmumzKFQAcr8CI8GI0DNwemDvo2/T0PUDfQuhhvg98Np DsNo+pGsIuAphvYRFxVh1iFvoC5z90MBBrcv5yS8aXo6qL1wMnJI1xYx3AkCKcFI120N Qc/uEQahxc89f1WRkOojS9j0zO1e17CO1EzuQ+WMrnDJmQVz9k0+V9N6TvT89l2BeLcd 8uI7A7Xvyktam0tQTN5WZY7me63/yT3Xtw/KSk0dXBKEdN8nfT1OSsgXQC0rPUWTyWLy JSjDBzAvXxsl9qKegfKs6KtRlwQdMGiZsEh4ks89Ro3KwmPY9ZFDjO1nvvz0UdgT1lp9 sovg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: expertsleepers@gmail.com Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 15:55:03 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: FqRyOrwxmI8ZoDdnv64s89UDIfQ Message-ID: Subject: livelooping videos: Darkroom & Georgina Brett From: Os To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 14:55:04 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, some videos from a gig we did last night. Two with the usual lineup (guitar/laptop/modular synth) and one with a guest vocal-looping appearance from Georgina Brett: http://vimeo.com/47162639 http://vimeo.com/47165120 http://vimeo.com/47170789 cheers, os. -- os@collective.co.uk http://twitter.com/expertsleepers http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 14:57:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AA8B183464; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 14:57:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=aLglfK/0dir9Dxg9/089h0j9gHPrGxF8UtxeFpsJW0I=; b=KMg73rgipqWmqZC7Qp1jNB571hRmFTJ0oKuMYCrO/XT6immI8rgNC3rSPLbHUrCYI3 pRu2AMBcYcGp4YtNSVdGnR1yIKOPvpnNwIvQgFL4UHIuaT774M2IPGIGSzAlpCYddCO1 ay5bKR+FyuHfcRgXwYX761EoRPsoQqFzMlS071hismlvyPvpxCXR4Or3UuKTK+9nYSYO S40cCmmVWfDiue51mX7QnVehmmgL4g1C56SbtR3e/5nf5uYdMFYffS3t0+pK1uL7DdUf nF0k+QG976emfetWbU2DfxNN8QwPrXSxwK/PNEI5ud+JrzVIk7nUjfKa04WmqqHeazVk JPyA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 15:57:39 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: livelooping audio From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <3pR2n.A.eIG.j5nIQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 14:57:40 +0000 (UTC) here's my performance from last night's Tuesday's Post - thanks to Georgina, DCO, Os and Michael for a great night! http://simeonharris.bandcamp.com/track/waking-up-on-mars From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 15:00:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7149F18345D; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 15:00:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.234.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:SN2PRD0410HT001.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-BigFish: PS-1(zz9371Ic85dhzz1202hzz8275bhz2fh2a8h668h839hd25hf0ah107ah) Received-SPF: pass (mail15-co1: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.234.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.234.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=SN2PRD0410HT001.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: midi foot controller theory Thread-Topic: midi foot controller theory Thread-Index: AQHNdVkW4dYwAr/9/UuobVFqhfw2u5dQALp7 Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 15:00:00 +0000 Message-ID: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A734675AFD@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [70.113.107.81] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A734675AFDSN2PRD0410MB360_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 15:00:06 +0000 (UTC) --_000_3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A734675AFDSN2PRD0410MB360_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Something to keep in mind about the MP128 is that it only sends MIDI Progra= m Change messages. Some software requires MIDI Continuous Control or Note= messages. You can use virtual MIDI drivers to map Program Change to other= things to a degree, but what you can't do is get a "momentary" pedal, one = that sends something when you press it and something else when you release = it. This is an important feature for some software loopers. So, review the MIDI control options for all of the software you use or inte= nd to use and make sure you can live without momentary switches. Jeff ________________________________ From: r williford [robinkicksass@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 6:29 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: midi foot controller theory Thanks so much everybody for the feedback. I was introduced to stuff I didn't know about. POK Wireless is an awesome idea. I wish i could turn all of my wires into w= ireless I'm likely to go with the Rolls' MP128 now. Seeing the picture of MP128 vs FCB1010 I like the smaller size and the midi powered. I noticed the fcb has staggered row of pedals and the MP128 is not. Does it ever cause a problem accidentally hitting a p= edal because they are one in front of the other with the Rolls? So yesterday I took some plastic and superglue and made a pedal out of a qw= erty board I've got 5 good pedal locations so far. I'm gonna try to make 8 work today. I was wondering if you only had 5 or 6 pedals what are the functions you ge= t the most mileage out of or just can't live without. Or the ones you could= live without. Obviously record takes a slot. Eventually Ill get 8 pedals at least but I w= ould just like to hear others' most used and/or least used functions. Thanks loopy people Robin --_000_3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A734675AFDSN2PRD0410MB360_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Something to keep in mind about the MP128 is that it only sends MIDI P= rogram Change messages.   Some software requires MIDI Continuous Contr= ol or Note messages.  You can use virtual MIDI drivers to map Program = Change to other things to a degree, but what you can't do is get a "momentary" pedal, one that sends somethin= g when you press it and something else when you release it.  This is a= n important feature for some software loopers.  

So, review the MIDI control options for all of the software you use or= intend to use and make sure you can live without momentary switches.

Jeff


From: r williford [robinkicksass@gmail.c= om]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 6:29 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: midi foot controller theory

Thanks so much everybody for the feedback. 
I was introduced to stuff I didn't know about. 
POK Wireless is an awesome idea. I wish i could turn all of my wires i= nto wireless
I'm likely to go with the  Rolls' MP128 now. 
Seeing the picture of MP128 vs FCB1010
I like the smaller size and the midi powered. 
I noticed the fcb has staggered row of pedals
and the MP128 is not. Does it ever cause a problem accidentally hittin= g a pedal because they are one in front of the other with the Rolls?
So yesterday I took some plastic and superglue and made a pedal out of= a qwerty board
I've got 5 good pedal locations so far. I'm gonna try to make 8 work t= oday. 
I was wondering if you only had 5 or 6 pedals what are the functions y= ou get the most mileage out of or just can't live without. Or the ones you = could live without. 
Obviously record takes a slot. Eventually Ill get 8 pedals at least bu= t I would just like to hear others' most used and/or least used functions.&= nbsp;

Thanks loopy people 
Robin
--_000_3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A734675AFDSN2PRD0410MB360_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 15:03:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 422B1183461; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 15:03:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=y7ODgL88S9fiLNOCOKwsDmQQya9iFhpadeYRoDiWgMA=; b=CE4zlo3d1dIxNhy0X/1SDrEN2niwG0t5+jeso/Dqb1ucj+7MCXwSLlupWO6J00OaFZ 5CJ9UZo9tjMaEvGWVwMyF1liEz0BNt9YkNxeT7SndgjeJ1oSXNt2qcGxayn5cRxyP50l VKC1jbMBTUCdABXw0eVhtZncQg/ZjIzkee0nmkLMumgBYymTe+FCc2DP4WXn1hqyEakG PX4rys90H/96FURKFfhL+Dd1nteniL3UJgzZ6wx5Ji0JNoN9DqfLGddSU26gszZXIJ4k Vo7WXdmoFro6Q+JxyKPqWXHI3tHhaE2RA3PgnRhW33eg2Z0HbpWCXxHx4BYN88GGihNk GzTw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 17:03:46 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: livelooping audio From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <0CgTQB.A.EXG.S_nIQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 15:03:47 +0000 (UTC) Lovely space vibe there, Simeon! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: > here's my performance from last night's Tuesday's Post - thanks to > Georgina, DCO, Os and Michael for a great night! > > http://simeonharris.bandcamp.com/track/waking-up-on-mars > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 15:07:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3000183463; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 15:07:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=YDfk02HFXvVSTU3Ppoj452A9z++jpRC9u+t6U9zmwsQtk+YBgex9kMTwq/FtSgfj; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A734675AFD@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.ou tlook.com> References: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A734675AFD@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.ou tlook.com> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 11:07:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: RE: midi foot controller theory Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-867684041==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79aea61fcadd8e98b864a95c925efca364350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 15:07:46 +0000 (UTC) --============_-867684041==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" The higher end Rolls MP1288 "MIDI Wizard" sends both PC and CC information. It has 8 CC inputs and you can program the data stream sent with each button press. At 15:00 +0000 8/8/12, Jeff Larson wrote: >Something to keep in mind about the MP128 is that it only sends MIDI >Program Change messages. Some software requires MIDI Continuous >Control or Note messages. You can use virtual MIDI drivers to map >Program Change to other things to a degree, but what you can't do is >get a "momentary" pedal, one that sends something when you press it >and something else when you release it. This is an important >feature for some software loopers. > >So, review the MIDI control options for all of the software you use >or intend to use and make sure you can live without momentary >switches. > >Jeff > > > >From: r williford [robinkicksass@gmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 6:29 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: midi foot controller theory > >Thanks so much everybody for the feedback. >I was introduced to stuff I didn't know about. >POK Wireless is an awesome idea. I wish i could turn all of my wires >into wireless >I'm likely to go with the Rolls' MP128 now. >Seeing the picture of MP128 vs FCB1010 >I like the smaller size and the midi powered. >I noticed the fcb has staggered row of pedals >and the MP128 is not. Does it ever cause a problem accidentally >hitting a pedal because they are one in front of the other with the >Rolls? >So yesterday I took some plastic and superglue and made a pedal out >of a qwerty board >I've got 5 good pedal locations so far. I'm gonna try to make 8 work today. >I was wondering if you only had 5 or 6 pedals what are the functions >you get the most mileage out of or just can't live without. Or the >ones you could live without. >Obviously record takes a slot. Eventually Ill get 8 pedals at least >but I would just like to hear others' most used and/or least used >functions. > >Thanks loopy people >Robin -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix --============_-867684041==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" RE: midi foot controller theory
The higher end Rolls MP1288 "MIDI Wizard" sends both PC and CC information.  It has 8 CC inputs and you can program the data stream sent with each button press.

At 15:00 +0000 8/8/12, Jeff Larson wrote:
Something to keep in mind about the MP128 is that it only sends MIDI Program Change messages.   Some software requires MIDI Continuous Control or Note messages.  You can use virtual MIDI drivers to map Program Change to other things to a degree, but what you can't do is get a "momentary" pedal, one that sends something when you press it and something else when you release it.  This is an important feature for some software loopers.

So, review the MIDI control options for all of the software you use or intend to use and make sure you can live without momentary switches.

Jeff


From: r williford [robinkicksass@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 6:29 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: midi foot controller theory
Thanks so much everybody for the feedback.
I was introduced to stuff I didn't know about.
POK Wireless is an awesome idea. I wish i could turn all of my wires into wireless
I'm likely to go with the  Rolls' MP128 now.
Seeing the picture of MP128 vs FCB1010
I like the smaller size and the midi powered.
I noticed the fcb has staggered row of pedals
and the MP128 is not. Does it ever cause a problem accidentally hitting a pedal because they are one in front of the other with the Rolls?
So yesterday I took some plastic and superglue and made a pedal out of a qwerty board
I've got 5 good pedal locations so far. I'm gonna try to make 8 work today.
I was wondering if you only had 5 or 6 pedals what are the functions you get the most mileage out of or just can't live without. Or the ones you could live without.
Obviously record takes a slot. Eventually Ill get 8 pedals at least but I would just like to hear others' most used and/or least used functions.

Thanks loopy people
Robin


--

...
http://www.zmix.net

http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky

http://albumcredits.com/zmix
--============_-867684041==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 15:18:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9070183461; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 15:18:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.234.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:SN2PRD0410HT003.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-BigFish: PS-3(zzbb2dI98dI9371Ic85dhzz1202hzz8275ch8275bhz2fh2a8h668h839hd25hf0ah107ah) Received-SPF: pass (mail108-db3: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.234.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.234.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=SN2PRD0410HT003.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: midi foot controller theory Thread-Topic: midi foot controller theory Thread-Index: AQHNdVkW4dYwAr/9/UuobVFqhfw2u5dQBLMSgAABxls= Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 15:18:27 +0000 Message-ID: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A734675C13@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A734675AFD@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.ou tlook.com>, In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [70.113.107.81] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A734675C13SN2PRD0410MB360_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 15:18:33 +0000 (UTC) --_000_3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A734675C13SN2PRD0410MB360_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unfortunately the MIDI Wizard is discontinued and hard to find. ________________________________ From: Charles Zwicky [cazwicky@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 10:07 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: midi foot controller theory The higher end Rolls MP1288 "MIDI Wizard" sends both PC and CC information.= It has 8 CC inputs and you can program the data stream sent with each but= ton press. At 15:00 +0000 8/8/12, Jeff Larson wrote: Something to keep in mind about the MP128 is that it only sends MIDI Progra= m Change messages. Some software requires MIDI Continuous Control or Note= messages. You can use virtual MIDI drivers to map Program Change to other= things to a degree, but what you can't do is get a "momentary" pedal, one = that sends something when you press it and something else when you release = it. This is an important feature for some software loopers. So, review the MIDI control options for all of the software you use or inte= nd to use and make sure you can live without momentary switches. Jeff ________________________________ From: r williford [robinkicksass@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 6:29 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: midi foot controller theory Thanks so much everybody for the feedback. I was introduced to stuff I didn't know about. POK Wireless is an awesome idea. I wish i could turn all of my wires into w= ireless I'm likely to go with the Rolls' MP128 now. Seeing the picture of MP128 vs FCB1010 I like the smaller size and the midi powered. I noticed the fcb has staggered row of pedals and the MP128 is not. Does it ever cause a problem accidentally hitting a p= edal because they are one in front of the other with the Rolls? So yesterday I took some plastic and superglue and made a pedal out of a qw= erty board I've got 5 good pedal locations so far. I'm gonna try to make 8 work today. I was wondering if you only had 5 or 6 pedals what are the functions you ge= t the most mileage out of or just can't live without. Or the ones you could= live without. Obviously record takes a slot. Eventually Ill get 8 pedals at least but I w= ould just like to hear others' most used and/or least used functions. Thanks loopy people Robin -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix --_000_3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A734675C13SN2PRD0410MB360_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Unfortunately the MIDI Wizard is discontinued and hard to find.

From: Charles Zwicky [cazwicky@earthlink= .net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 10:07 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: midi foot controller theory

The higher end Rolls MP1288 "MIDI Wizard" sends both PC and = CC information.  It has 8 CC inputs and you can program the data strea= m sent with each button press.

At 15:00 +0000 8/8/12, Jeff Larson wrote:
Something to keep in mind about the MP128 is that= it only sends MIDI Program Change messages.   Some software requ= ires MIDI Continuous Control or Note messages.  You can use virtual MI= DI drivers to map Program Change to other things to a degree, but what you can't do is get a "momentary" pedal, o= ne that sends something when you press it and something else when you relea= se it.  This is an important feature for some software loopers.

So, review the MIDI control options for all of th= e software you use or intend to use and make sure you can live without mome= ntary switches.

Jeff


From: r williford [robinkicksass@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 6:29 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: midi foot controller theory
Thanks so much everybody for the feedback.
I was introduced to stuff I didn't know about.
POK Wireless is an awesome idea. I wish i could t= urn all of my wires into wireless
I'm likely to go with the  Rolls' MP128 = ;now.
Seeing the picture of MP128 vs FCB1010
I like the smaller size and the midi powered.
I noticed the fcb has staggered row of pedals
and the MP128 is not. Does it ever cause a proble= m accidentally hitting a pedal because they are one in front of the other w= ith the Rolls?
So yesterday I took some plastic and superglue an= d made a pedal out of a qwerty board
I've got 5 good pedal locations so far. I'm gonna= try to make 8 work today.
I was wondering if you only had 5 or 6 pedals wha= t are the functions you get the most mileage out of or just can't live with= out. Or the ones you could live without.
Obviously record takes a slot. Eventually Ill get= 8 pedals at least but I would just like to hear others' most used and/or l= east used functions.

Thanks loopy people
Robin


-- =0A=

...
http://www.zmix.net

http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky

http://albumcredits.com/zmix
--_000_3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A734675C13SN2PRD0410MB360_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 15:39:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B287918345E; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 15:39:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=sFLk9bBQUMezE+DkVIbi+fh7E2fvd1hU+0FM0rwD2Y0zWEPmp7EqI9jr4emmOL85; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A734675C13@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.ou tlook.com> References: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A734675AFD@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.ou tlook.com>, <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A734675C13@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.ou tlook.com> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 11:38:41 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: RE: midi foot controller theory Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-867682115==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79ef289a85fa049c6ae76cbe318a01ab03350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 15:39:53 +0000 (UTC) --============_-867682115==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sadly, that is the fate of all great products.. :( >Unfortunately the MIDI Wizard is discontinued and hard to find. > > >From: Charles Zwicky [cazwicky@earthlink.net] >Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 10:07 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: midi foot controller theory > >The higher end Rolls MP1288 "MIDI Wizard" sends both PC and CC >information. It has 8 CC inputs and you can program the data stream >sent with each button press. > >At 15:00 +0000 8/8/12, Jeff Larson wrote: > >>Something to keep in mind about the MP128 is that it only sends >>MIDI Program Change messages. Some software requires MIDI >>Continuous Control or Note messages. You can use virtual MIDI >>drivers to map Program Change to other things to a degree, but what >>you can't do is get a "momentary" pedal, one that sends something >>when you press it and something else when you release it. This is >>an important feature for some software loopers. >> >> >>So, review the MIDI control options for all of the software you use >>or intend to use and make sure you can live without momentary >>switches. >> >> >>Jeff >> >> >> >> >>From: r williford [robinkicksass@gmail.com] >>Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 6:29 AM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: midi foot controller theory >> >>Thanks so much everybody for the feedback. >> >>I was introduced to stuff I didn't know about. >> >>POK Wireless is an awesome idea. I wish i could turn all of my >>wires into wireless >> >>I'm likely to go with the Rolls' MP128 now. >> >>Seeing the picture of MP128 vs FCB1010 >> >>I like the smaller size and the midi powered. >> >>I noticed the fcb has staggered row of pedals >> >>and the MP128 is not. Does it ever cause a problem accidentally >>hitting a pedal because they are one in front of the other with the >>Rolls? >> >>So yesterday I took some plastic and superglue and made a pedal out >>of a qwerty board >> >>I've got 5 good pedal locations so far. I'm gonna try to make 8 work today. >> >>I was wondering if you only had 5 or 6 pedals what are the >>functions you get the most mileage out of or just can't live >>without. Or the ones you could live without. >> >>Obviously record takes a slot. Eventually Ill get 8 pedals at least >>but I would just like to hear others' most used and/or least used >>functions. >> >> >>Thanks loopy people >> >>Robin >> > > >-- > >... >http://www.zmix.net > >http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky > >http://albumcredits.com/zmix -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix --============_-867682115==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" RE: midi foot controller theory

Sadly, that is the fate of all great products..  :(

Unfortunately the MIDI Wizard is discontinued and hard to find.

From: Charles Zwicky [cazwicky@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 10:07 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: midi foot controller theory
The higher end Rolls MP1288 "MIDI Wizard" sends both PC and CC information.  It has 8 CC inputs and you can program the data stream sent with each button press.

At 15:00 +0000 8/8/12, Jeff Larson wrote:
Something to keep in mind about the MP128 is that it only sends MIDI Program Change messages.   Some software requires MIDI Continuous Control or Note messages.  You can use virtual MIDI drivers to map Program Change to other things to a degree, but what you can't do is get a "momentary" pedal, one that sends something when you press it and something else when you release it.  This is an important feature for some software loopers.

So, review the MIDI control options for all of the software you use or intend to use and make sure you can live without momentary switches.

Jeff


From: r williford [robinkicksass@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 6:29 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: midi foot controller theory
Thanks so much everybody for the feedback.
I was introduced to stuff I didn't know about.
POK Wireless is an awesome idea. I wish i could turn all of my wires into wireless
I'm likely to go with the  Rolls' MP128 now.
Seeing the picture of MP128 vs FCB1010
I like the smaller size and the midi powered.
I noticed the fcb has staggered row of pedals
and the MP128 is not. Does it ever cause a problem accidentally hitting a pedal because they are one in front of the other with the Rolls?
So yesterday I took some plastic and superglue and made a pedal out of a qwerty board
I've got 5 good pedal locations so far. I'm gonna try to make 8 work today.
I was wondering if you only had 5 or 6 pedals what are the functions you get the most mileage out of or just can't live without. Or the ones you could live without.
Obviously record takes a slot. Eventually Ill get 8 pedals at least but I would just like to hear others' most used and/or least used functions.

Thanks loopy people
Robin


--

...
http://www.zmix.net

http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky

http://albumcredits.com/zmix


--

...
http://www.zmix.net

http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky

http://albumcredits.com/zmix
--============_-867682115==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 16:12:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13507183460; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:12:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-08-08_06:2012-08-08,2012-08-07,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1208080173 Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not From: Teddy Kumpel In-reply-to: Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 12:12:20 -0400 Message-id: <31727064-FA24-4A0A-8108-D5FC05F0EB04@mac.com> References: <1344371175.45764.YahooMailClassic@web84520.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:12:55 +0000 (UTC) one time I put a note inside my pedalboard case that said "there is no contraband in here, thank you" I got a note back that said "that's what you think !!!" though nothing was missing from the case.... weird TSA people On Aug 7, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Daniel Thomas wrote: > On a related note- When I have to check my instruments, I keep one of those "TSA inspection" tags inside the case. (they leave one whenever they open a bag.) That way, when a TSA'r opens the case, they see that someone else from TSA has already been there. This has greatly reduced the number of times that my overpacking gets mangled. Similarly, I leave a very polite note explaining that the instrument must be packed properly in order to ensure its safety and that I appreciate how focused on safety the TSA is! :) > > Daniel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 16:22:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D988B183464; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:22:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=go8gkzZtZq4NLsStNC6kcwqNh7yxuLVS2Hs5XyrnBog=; b=pBGf80YK5uG3jmTOH0aiHzsXxb39VLOKjMi6K859OCpskwSrjy42gEpZl/3v0iOkSw k6KANfedtzdRDTpl1jvfbdKfwubp1+OK6ukBlzOpkdWPgNIdd4240XwxAYL5+v3V7q66 rMTDD0qV7cHaPyG39UTv3thimPehZKAwHnmSiYCYkKyTo3eQrCu6s5LqiDlMayPcxeWh ItVr8BH3NY4WqNyrb16C+fjLxCpomkBL1L0jNIQ+/+xcx0HrKiRaU3CeCWPMDFsZEyHn 6+8ndaSVYM8Wwf8d4iSBTdMRJToy4gTuT+68kfIi7JDEqZC+SfRpCoZaqxlxaC8crHlm 9wMg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <31727064-FA24-4A0A-8108-D5FC05F0EB04@mac.com> References: <1344371175.45764.YahooMailClassic@web84520.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <31727064-FA24-4A0A-8108-D5FC05F0EB04@mac.com> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 18:22:42 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:22:43 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > one time I put a note inside my pedalboard case that said "there is no contraband in here, thank you" > I got a note back that said "that's what you think !!!" > though nothing was missing from the case.... weird TSA people Lol! But isn't it quite common to use "carrier agents" that doesn't know they are used as a carrier? Someone hiding something inside an innocent person's luggage to have it transported with minimal risk taking (for the criminal). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 17:19:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4D1718345A; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 17:19:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-08-08_06:2012-08-08,2012-08-07,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1208080194 Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not From: Teddy Kumpel In-reply-to: Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 13:19:41 -0400 Message-id: References: <1344371175.45764.YahooMailClassic@web84520.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <31727064-FA24-4A0A-8108-D5FC05F0EB04@mac.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 17:19:44 +0000 (UTC) so maybe someone put something in my pedaltrain box? could be.... still, weird that they wrote a note back. On Aug 8, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: >> one time I put a note inside my pedalboard case that said "there is no contraband in here, thank you" >> I got a note back that said "that's what you think !!!" >> though nothing was missing from the case.... weird TSA people > > > Lol! But isn't it quite common to use "carrier agents" that doesn't > know they are used as a carrier? Someone hiding something inside an > innocent person's luggage to have it transported with minimal risk > taking (for the criminal). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 17:59:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FBBD18345E; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 17:59:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 791153019/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.19.212/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.19.212 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBACyoIlBYbRPU/2dsb2JhbAANOL0EAQEBAwE4ESkGEQsHEQkWCAcJAwIBAgE0ERkDARaHbRGnNpQdixKDRIMcA5ZdhDWFRIdi X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,734,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="791153019" Message-ID: <5022A916.5000401@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 18:59:50 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cycle divide+midi clock relationship (was: New discovery on EDP!!!) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 17:59:37 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > > Internally on a laptop system I guessing hosts like Bidule have some > er... bidules that can multiply and divide the midi clock, They are indeed called Bidules. ..but there's no processor for MidiClocks. maybe with Midi-Switchers and Midi-Delays?? > > Or? What other tricks are there? Only thing I can think of is to merge t2 streams of midi-clock together, (or merge one with itself). Don't think that's going to take you far, I guess midi just isn't designed for innovation. > > Is this something that the designers of Evoloop might consider, having 2 > different settings for midi clock output multiple and quantize setting > multiple? ..and now the good news Echoloop has it's midi timing defined by the time sig params, which are independent of Subcycle. That was Matthias. andy > > Mark > > > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:50 PM, mark francombe > wrote: > > Its all possible on the EDP, but not practical how you describe... > I find it hard enough to close a multiply exactly on 32 cycles, what > if it took 128 cycles PER musical bar... not possible. > I have these "smooth moves" programmed on my drum machine, and can > run certain patterns (bit like scripts on Mobius) when I need'em, > but its not nice... > > -- > /_Mark Francombe_/ > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 18:43:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F9BF18345E; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 18:43:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=+AK76PXLS0YlVctOIQghG41mUWDGhbIlM0QMf8Kr4Yw=; b=oWZ781EA2QkpJBAx0Ktc1Ik781qRfeEcW4GPNzg+OhGla+Cdc4Vj3mmZ7iNt2O4EL6 L2f4KM6OsxDPcEnLvAnW/v+26OjgI25SQe6MCEunwK/LRTgMGBOxAFutyao0xB8LYd9N V4L8b20ulnjnBlEZ7HDY7N8ey9Stvvzmn5ZKf54ie1n3jxvikGzyRBJgcFEpr3W/JIzr D2HTSbnt5FQtmz9zTEZ94yt4BnhEKeTembpkpjTPKPyym/3GY3QLLmhadEymOwxLmkHW n/whCxC5CybiS9mZA+iO86yu98fWEZnfityuC9QVdjkskfMmUahjwRgTMaSWZM0u4PkX erQg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <5022A916.5000401@tiscali.co.uk> References: <5022A916.5000401@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 20:42:48 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: wRoxovEGQ1MRYxROztli3XA0uX4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: cycle divide+midi clock relationship (was: New discovery on EDP!!!) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b621e928652d904c6c57b05 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 18:43:11 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b621e928652d904c6c57b05 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 HURRAH! What about Evoloop? On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 7:59 PM, andy butler wrote: > Is this something that the designers of Evoloop might consider, having 2 >> different settings for midi clock output multiple and quantize setting >> multiple? >> > > ..and now the good news > > Echoloop has it's midi timing defined by the time sig params, > which are independent of Subcycle. > That was Matthias. > andy -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b621e928652d904c6c57b05 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HURRAH!

What about Evoloop?

On Wed= , Aug 8, 2012 at 7:59 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>= wrote:
Is this something that the designers of Evoloop might consider, having 2 di= fferent settings for midi clock output multiple and quantize setting multip= le?

..and now the good news

Echoloop has it's midi timing defined by the time sig params,
which are independent of Subcycle.
That was Matthias.
andy



--
Mark Fra= ncombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--047d7b621e928652d904c6c57b05-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 18:53:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEECF183455; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 18:53:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 794075653/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.19.212/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.19.212 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmcEAL60IlBYbRPU/2dsb2JhbAANOI1+qlwEBIQlAQEBBDg6BhELGAkWDwkDAgECAUUcAa9GlBiOVoMcA5sSjSY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,734,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="794075653" Message-ID: <5022B5A3.8030707@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 19:53:23 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cycle divide+midi clock relationship (was: New discovery on EDP!!!) References: <5022A916.5000401@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 18:53:08 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > HURRAH! > > What about Evoloop? should have all Echoloop features, and then some andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 19:04:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCEB618345B; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 19:04:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=E7JsrP1Oq+QR8O8NAM42Pi8FJU/rZYTSp6LlL0KDi5s=; b=ErKzCleyzopyVZWtO+PsBuFV71SQb4zqyXE6uMwsSaFtqzgGFqfGNoaTbdZMDvyEFT aWZfYyBK4pRKo1kX6RxMQ3zwwXNjCv9qMbQagiJJ4cfXOqJNxYaprUIYLSpm6BLAruS1 at7MZP2hWPwm4Uh4IX7GzLxJ/ivPPju4Ks17OFk6TeiuqRiLNwX4tmzC8PNg9B8s0Gpt w/fKp1iQMkFckZj1aT9asUyT96y2iULAZ4ADahxSsmCh6IS8aibsfIls5PPsJLoAPmV2 9Z2BGBcyfXger3S6PzQi4Rp4MmpfM19wtFFNA8pxyYmSnAiKkf56T8n4lDNwE5tl0Ehx DPLQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5022B5A3.8030707@tiscali.co.uk> References: <5022A916.5000401@tiscali.co.uk> <5022B5A3.8030707@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 21:04:01 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: cycle divide+midi clock relationship (was: New discovery on EDP!!!) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 19:04:02 +0000 (UTC) > mark francombe wrote: >> What about Evoloop? On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 8:53 PM, andy butler wrote: > should have all Echoloop features, and then some Evol Oop looking damn good this far! :-) Can't make up my mind if I shall start the band Evol Oopsies or the band Speed Benders? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 02:23:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0E7C18345E; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 02:23:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=u2vu/Ocp0bQ6m2MO0KUY0MS1xIoK39gCmxTU3UkKy94= c=1 sm=1 a=Tac6znexIk4A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=UncmS/Am0Fgh8c8TZh5eWA==:17 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=QKX5MUA7AAAA:8 a=JqEG_dyiAAAA:8 a=4LsoCDX7AAAA:8 a=Bqf-clJlAAAA:8 a=lPp9imTF-9OOFIQsA8UA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Oa6jOXZoI1UA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=OjAUDUqBufbMvyNL:21 a=aKZ5D279JgUXfjh0:21 a=UncmS/Am0Fgh8c8TZh5eWA==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: livelooping videos: Darkroom & Georgina Brett From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 19:22:58 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <44A6E913-0EBA-4C00-B01B-566247E218E4@charter.net> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 02:23:00 +0000 (UTC) Watched all 3 and enjoyed them ver much. On Aug 8, 2012, at 7:55 AM, Os wrote: > Hi all, > > some videos from a gig we did last night. Two with the usual lineup > (guitar/laptop/modular synth) and one with a guest vocal-looping > appearance from Georgina Brett: > > http://vimeo.com/47162639 > http://vimeo.com/47165120 > http://vimeo.com/47170789 > > > cheers, > os. > > -- > os@collective.co.uk > http://twitter.com/expertsleepers > http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ > http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 04:34:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAF6018345E; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 04:34:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Subject: Re: Great round-up article comparing DAWs From: Ed Durbrow In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 13:34:05 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa02b; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 13:34:05 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 04:34:09 +0000 (UTC) I've been meaning to make a page comparing Digital Performer and Logic = for some time. I have a file where I write down comparisons and = absurdities. I have to organize it more. I have used DP/Performer since = '86 and Logic for three or four years. I keep running up against = implements one or the other does well or horribly.=20 One thing is for sure, as pointed out in the article, these programs = require a lot of hours of use. I've slacked off of late and so am not = qualified to comment on ultimate workflow, especially as I've been = putting energy into learning Final Cut. On the other hand, I think a = newbies perspective is extremely useful. I found myself in the most = frustrating places when I started learning Logic because I clicked = somewhere and got nothing or ended up somewhere strange. Without a = teacher, it took the kind feedback of people on forums to learn what is = wrong. (I wish I lived in a different timezone in such cases).=20 =20 Another point mentioned, is that whichever program you learned first is = going to make a very strong impression. I have fantasized that if I ever = taught a class in DAWs I would choose several and have the students = rotate through them learning the different terms for the same thing in = each program. One more point which I think applies to which computer platform you = choose also, is that you might be better off to choose whatever = program/platform someone who will help you has. If your mentor uses a = certain program and you are going to be working with him/her, you should = probably get the same setup. One thing not mentioned was the advantages of using two DAWs. For = example, I will take a track recorded in Logic and open it in DP to do = pitch correction, then import it back into Logic. One yearns for more = inter-application interchangeability, though at least it is doable now. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=3Dwatch http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 10:33:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C96F0183460; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 10:33:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=lTNVmk5ua6mPnf98NvHPuN+RNjg/Vvn+0XS3NT/M6DA=; b=O7Dsf7lhvLJcpanUfVTfUgxM0gvDgbmuTzaQmCn7AFbDq/ZandfXl0M2ooNMtO4Fjc 4UH9UbX7vHE3CeaBoHaAxMyF4tdguVIzrmD4eMkZwYPEgO+AM+GBscMbrjFAZFBZ6eLj BRPRP5ILvA7XGsat8KE0T0qLhJhovbwbqfuYCSFKvSb7hgoDW6prb19imMxY1YybkCUr m3FPmnwkh2jo6ZckqvrV1ovhSG5HLNxOPUFgwX4HladyC5x27CZ4tKoNbkT53sHK4jP4 n0Kdj4VLwxq+PaY9/txusTPsjRymB5eWpQ+qs1IEqMv9jzJ8h1+VAcn3ZIp3Ifn3i4Ks 7JSA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 12:33:49 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: yIOiLzhuWMexe1VG8RPc-o4IsrA Message-ID: Subject: Re: Great round-up article comparing DAWs From: Tom Swirly To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3074d5924fa48904c6d2c3f7 Resent-Message-ID: <484MzB.A.S_H.NI5IQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 10:33:49 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3074d5924fa48904c6d2c3f7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I just want to add one point to this, and that's to say that after several years of using Live, I deeply regret my decision to choose this as my primary sequencer. It's clearly not aimed at anyone who actually writes songs, but worse, there is a level of arrogance to the company where they simply refuse to admit the existence even very serious bugs that have been repeatedly reported over years. The classic example I point out is "stretching MIDI". If you take a MIDI sequence and stretch it in time in Live, it only moves the notes - all other MIDI events (aftertouch, controllers, pitch bend, etc) stay exactly where they were. Since I play a WX-7, it means that I simply can't stretch any of my MIDI sequences without completely breaking them. If you bring this up to the company, their response is that this is not a bug, this is what it's supposed to do. When you ask them to explain under what circumstances anyone would use this behavior of moving only notes and nothing else, they refuse to answer. If you ask them how you can do things like "record someone's performance without a metronome and then adjust it to fit time" they tell you to use a metronome, and then accuse you of being deliberately difficult when you say you don't want to play with a metronome; when you point out that this is a common request from paying customers, they refuse to answer. And if you point out that Opcode Vision did this over 20 years ago and all other sequencers do exactly this, they, you guessed it, refuse to answer. I feel trapped into it by Max For Live, but the instability (I have literally crashed the M4L/Live combination over a *thousand* times) and buggy nature of that program has meant that I really haven't gotten much that I can actually use to *reliably* work in a live performance. Don't make the mistake I did - pick anything other than Ableton Live. --20cf3074d5924fa48904c6d2c3f7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just want to add one point to this, and that's to say that after seve= ral years of using Live, I deeply regret my decision to choose this as my p= rimary sequencer. =C2=A0It's clearly not aimed at anyone who actually w= rites songs, but worse, there is a level of arrogance to the company where = they simply refuse to admit the existence even very serious bugs that have = been repeatedly reported over years.

The classic example I point out is "stretching MID= I". =C2=A0If you take a MIDI sequence and stretch it in time in Live, = it only moves the notes - all other MIDI events (aftertouch, controllers, p= itch bend, etc) stay exactly where they were.

Since I play a WX-7, it means that I simply can't s= tretch any of my MIDI sequences without completely breaking them. =C2=A0

If you bring this up to the company, their response = is that this is not a bug, this is what it's supposed to do. =C2=A0When= you ask them to explain under what circumstances anyone would use this beh= avior of moving only notes and nothing else, they refuse to answer. =C2=A0<= /div>

If you ask them how you can do things like "record= someone's performance without a metronome and then adjust it to fit ti= me" they tell you to use a metronome, and then accuse you of being del= iberately difficult when you say you don't want to play with a metronom= e; =C2=A0when you point out that this is a common request from paying custo= mers, they refuse to answer. =C2=A0

And if you point out that Opcode Vision did this over 2= 0 years ago and all other sequencers do exactly this, they, you guessed it,= refuse to answer.

I feel trapped into it by Max F= or Live, but the instability (I have literally crashed the M4L/Live combina= tion over a thousand=C2=A0times)=C2=A0and buggy nature of that progr= am has meant that I really haven't gotten much that I can actually use = to reliably=C2=A0work in a live performance.

Don't make the mistake I did - pick anything other = than Ableton Live. =C2=A0
--20cf3074d5924fa48904c6d2c3f7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 10:37:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACDDC183460; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 10:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+cR348p4McZGwc7Y0fBh6AHFQ+Zm+dqKeveyp4iGjoY=; b=dRxadRSDSyNgwVhlpsOnVyOhwNlGla1puYvtVg/71wOfkpllSeaFJNwb9GKrknsQ43 8cWTa/qsmY0G7zzNrV0N04Pghlrpd68U7t+WEjffaYk6zWC7IeWtmeRLChZFexp3nDzv SkSKEEhygWV37Lmy+BkkigsUj5Gus5bVibUtP1X3gr2N14OQI4eH6zW1HUj7VnepBkeR TivCt/30PeTnaDInRN2tVHhLKOu01vmRzSW8d02XDedPDiXikLugyCyly7uQWM9LtzAt gWb/Y+w1JSyhcZ07W9sMxU3dOG/s8a+ffSXqXTtbdL83NcvgZZWSWfBvYKocgEHnd5ba 44fA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 12:37:34 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Great round-up article comparing DAWs From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 10:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Nice hearing you are a DP user! I've been looking at that app many times and been thinking that if a day comes when I get a lot of film music work I shall buy it. I agree with you that it is good to use several DAWs. But I have a slightly different view; I don't think it is a smart time investment trying to "learn a DAW". Regarding Logic, in particular, it would be a direct mistake trying to "learn Logic". What you should put energy into learning is how to produce music and sound. The DAW is just a tool. And with Logic every standard trick of the sound design cook book can be done in several alternative ways; it just doesn't make sense to learn them all. Just pick the method of Logic's that best gets the job done for you - and stick with that tool. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 6:34 AM, Ed Durbrow wrote= : > I've been meaning to make a page comparing Digital Performer and Logic fo= r some time. I have a file where I write down comparisons and absurdities. = I have to organize it more. I have used DP/Performer since '86 and Logic fo= r three or four years. I keep running up against implements one or the othe= r does well or horribly. > > One thing is for sure, as pointed out in the article, these programs requ= ire a lot of hours of use. I've slacked off of late and so am not qualified= to comment on ultimate workflow, especially as I've been putting energy in= to learning Final Cut. On the other hand, I think a newbies perspective is = extremely useful. I found myself in the most frustrating places when I star= ted learning Logic because I clicked somewhere and got nothing or ended up = somewhere strange. Without a teacher, it took the kind feedback of people o= n forums to learn what is wrong. (I wish I lived in a different timezone in= such cases). > > Another point mentioned, is that whichever program you learned first is g= oing to make a very strong impression. I have fantasized that if I ever tau= ght a class in DAWs I would choose several and have the students rotate thr= ough them learning the different terms for the same thing in each program. > > One more point which I think applies to which computer platform you choos= e also, is that you might be better off to choose whatever program/platform= someone who will help you has. If your mentor uses a certain program and y= ou are going to be working with him/her, you should probably get the same s= etup. > > One thing not mentioned was the advantages of using two DAWs. For example= , I will take a track recorded in Logic and open it in DP to do pitch corre= ction, then import it back into Logic. One yearns for more inter-applicatio= n interchangeability, though at least it is doable now. > > Ed Durbrow > Saitama, Japan > http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=3Dwatch > http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ > edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 10:49:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAF0E183460; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 10:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=9FRZ+qX0csbwEsFxaNZR4C6baAd7Un7HtSFkVQbfl5Y=; b=F9L+f/KDAg+QIkfAROUIF0c3DBedm3GUdgTalAVeR81wLF/DO5U4szWWTs1q0RBXKl RWrQ5YeBojmIUc5I0CCKHQ2bhU1ZOfepZ/nA+bKbGj/qkN8YC5nklKTyE/rKK4tbWFAc LuJ7S0gufGRsTf9OsACzf3f7aIaZwx14ZFcvfVpESYoI5FytPzIzKvpNK7CUGbVhstAZ tD/yDe1FW+3U5w0ijAhvRUHLxXdH/dSsZaQCpQO/vaMH1vtIQZcs79udBtagQxNcXS12 p1FUGsURFmZT+BcwN2a34KXIiqoQHWC6ScrAfM0MKZcFrx/DXZqOic0+/bnRrROzpdMY 7xfw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 12:49:30 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Great round-up article comparing DAWs From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 10:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Hi Tom, In some productions I play a lot of EWI and I can report that the issue you are describing partly applies to Logic as well. But Logic has better MIDI editors, so what I do is to watch the #CC, after touch and pitch bend data graphically and simply copy/paste them the same way a Note On event has been moved. I agree with you that Live is not a good DAW but I do think it is a great performance machine! For EWI and WX-7 players there are all these fun MIDI Plugins in Live. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Tom Swirly wrote: > The classic example I point out is "stretching MIDI". If you take a MIDI > sequence and stretch it in time in Live, it only moves the notes - all other > MIDI events (aftertouch, controllers, pitch bend, etc) stay exactly where > they were. > > Since I play a WX-7, it means that I simply can't stretch any of my MIDI > sequences without completely breaking them. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 11:30:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F79E183462; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 11:30:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 12:30:19 +0100 From: Philip Conway To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Great round-up article comparing DAWs Message-ID: <37CC15EEADE6ADCF19F1ED15@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: Originator-Info: login-token=Mulberry:01wIGUYjDkzJS+tNrLATXl+dD/rwPF7jCuB9QBsPzK9jOv9cW59wU=; token_authority=mailto:postmaster@bristol.ac.uk X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <-HmX3D.A.mp.M95IQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 11:30:21 +0000 (UTC) Automation is one of the biggest problems in Live. Compared to other DAWs=20 it is indeed extremely primitive. From what I've read on their forum and=20 elsewhere, Ableton are limited in making improvements to automation by=20 previous code decisions. In other words, they made decisions years ago=20 that limit what they can do now and they'd have to rewrite whole chunks of=20 the program in order to address that. They can't add bezier curves, for=20 instance, without rewriting loads of code. On that basis it's perfectly possible that the behaviour of automation when = stretching midi is not, in fact, a 'bug' as such but is how it was=20 originally meant to act, however unhelpful and undesirable that may be. Of = course if it's not a bug then you can still say that it's bad design and=20 poor planning but that's a slightly different criticism. Given that it's been several years since Live 8 came out it may be that=20 they've taken the time to go back and rewrite the code that needed=20 rewriting to introduce some more sought after and up to date features. If=20 they say that the midi stretching thing is not a bug then you can always=20 request that they change it as a new feature. And while it's true that Live, particlarly in its eighth iteration, has=20 been notoriously buggy and unstable I still feel that there's plenty to=20 recommend it as a piece of software. I've not had all that much direct=20 contact with their customer support but I've never found them to be=20 anything less than professional. I respect that your experiences may be different, Tom, but, despite all=20 it's problems, I really like it! Philip. --On 09 August 2012 12:33 +0200 Tom Swirly wrote: > I just want to add one point to this, and that's to say that after > several years of using Live, I deeply regret my decision to choose this > as my primary sequencer. =C2=A0It's clearly not aimed at anyone who = actually > writes songs, but worse, there is a level of arrogance to the company > where they simply refuse to admit the existence even very serious bugs > that have been repeatedly reported over years. > > > The classic example I point out is "stretching MIDI". =C2=A0If you take a > MIDI sequence and stretch it in time in Live, it only moves the notes - > all other MIDI events (aftertouch, controllers, pitch bend, etc) stay > exactly where they were. > > > Since I play a WX-7, it means that I simply can't stretch any of my MIDI > sequences without completely breaking them. =C2=A0 > > > If you bring this up to the company, their response is that this is not a > bug, this is what it's supposed to do. =C2=A0When you ask them to explain > under what circumstances anyone would use this behavior of moving only > notes and nothing else, they refuse to answer. =C2=A0 > > > If you ask them how you can do things like "record someone's performance > without a metronome and then adjust it to fit time" they tell you to use > a metronome, and then accuse you of being deliberately difficult when you > say you don't want to play with a metronome; =C2=A0when you point out = that > this is a common request from paying customers, they refuse to answer. = =C2=A0 > > > And if you point out that Opcode Vision did this over 20 years ago and > all other sequencers do exactly this, they, you guessed it, refuse to > answer. > > > I feel trapped into it by Max For Live, but the instability (I have > literally crashed the M4L/Live combination over a = thousand=C2=A0times)=C2=A0and > buggy nature of that program has meant that I really haven't gotten much > that I can actually use to reliably=C2=A0work in a live performance. > > > Don't make the mistake I did - pick anything other than Ableton Live. = =C2=A0 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 13:06:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0912618345A; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 13:06:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=vUp07QT3GJ4SjXwtbH1iQgLklfVe9tTD8EwYSOLqlYQ=; b=VUwpzTdIdxAky4wCOWtjYRhQv1+Gb+QgYNDDc9Z6PDUyd+LmVJ5NpAv86VWlv+HyH/ /TEchyBJ0eam1Y5FtBxoWRhR9FJhvLOn8f11MUh6gEpQrt6LBCgOWkMZRapVpoTq9Bg+ IG84XWWyDZISV14ARHCmt/YyFrBhmeIbAZtqeCE9jlQq/M0YuU1yRbjnVd1hdb5r0nJd xZRe7eS9wZN+2xtPJnVO1ijkJlaEbDtbbTRg5aGit3+650V6AkzKSyM7hilh3/LcfQlf RtT2J5GNxg7n0ZJA0hpCOLC3enzU6UqN/f29L6AWDxzyY28Tkyf9Ks18cUh8CEdnrPbk gU9Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <37CC15EEADE6ADCF19F1ED15@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> References: <37CC15EEADE6ADCF19F1ED15@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 22:06:00 +0900 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Great round-up article comparing DAWs From: michael noble To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 13:06:02 +0000 (UTC) I'm asking this partly out of curiosity, and partly to see whether I'm not in fact all alone on this list, but are any LD'ers using a linux based DAW? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 17:01:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D3C618345D; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 17:01:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5023ECED.9040309@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 13:01:33 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 17:01:50 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on The Tangent Project. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Live on Star's End 02.24.08." Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org on the internet. Note: The WDIY website has changed and the Galactic Travels portion is gone. I am working this issue. Meanwhile, http://galactictravels.info doesn't work. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 19:57:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02A9F183461; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 19:57:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 804069455/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.24.110/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.24.110 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAIzgI1BYbRhu/2dsb2JhbAANOIYBtwgBAQEEIxURLxELGAICBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFHAGIFKcmbpNUgSGNNoIKgRIDmxKFRIdi X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,742,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="804069455" Message-ID: <50241629.8050302@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 20:57:29 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Great round-up article comparing DAWs References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 19:57:32 +0000 (UTC) No mention of Audition. It does allow you to drop a video into the multitrack, which some of those mentioned here don't afaik. andy Per Boysen wrote: > Since there has been a lot of discussion abut different Digital Audio > Workstations on this list I'd like to recommend those interested to > read this excellent article: > > Your DAW: getting engaged, married, or divorced? > http://www.filmmusicmag.com/?p=9865 > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 20:08:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72A52183461; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 20:08:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=T+D9ESCSS8j9iK2zhVrTGr4MJcqMbAF/2Mr5UiRlRDQ=; b=tDfq7bLafPH/inMqh4f0XMYgyBwBvbOXy4Wlbw6j3zpkM+qwcPBXa6bgEgGd5S3s6H xBTNN0IfmsYCg8b7My7lNFFerePHbnp2QH4uK+BdzaUiYXshvG6mMyOkxJS/LOXbSh3C O7tk+B/UnkSS2mHBq4Xz6hh0b+1FJKASa4OYTt0x2nddsTmMDOQ0ye61uGY/DHN8SxfR CfaRk0U8FWbj6dlAP14JeBhRYth0mXDhhwn7Z8sEUp5ddr90cU241yuu2CC3XflfrxhT WPCMT9msdnrvn9juw391Zjlg9k/hwE4xWZzCWMyxMoCVAAiU+TBCGzh/YWZJWkujrVIZ QWmQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <50241629.8050302@tiscali.co.uk> References: <50241629.8050302@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 13:08:32 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Great round-up article comparing DAWs From: Phil Clevenger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0442712ea9927a04c6daca49 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 20:08:33 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0442712ea9927a04c6daca49 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Heehee - I've worked for Adobe for eight years now, and only recently discovered Audition. Not touched it's 'DAW' stuff yet and don't intend to, but holy cow, what a great waveform editor. Far superior to anything else I've seen in Logic or Ableton. Have not tried SoundForge but surely looking forward to the Mac version coming soon :) Phil ps Ableton got pretty well snubbed in that article... On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 12:57 PM, andy butler wrote: > > No mention of Audition. > It does allow you to drop a video into the multitrack, > which some of those mentioned here don't afaik. > > andy > > > Per Boysen wrote: > >> Since there has been a lot of discussion abut different Digital Audio >> Workstations on this list I'd like to recommend those interested to >> read this excellent article: >> >> Your DAW: getting engaged, married, or divorced? >> http://www.filmmusicmag.com/?**p=9865 >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/**perboysen >> >> >> > --f46d0442712ea9927a04c6daca49 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Heehee =A0- I've worked for Adobe for eight years now, and only recentl= y discovered Audition.=A0

Not touched it's 'DAW&= #39; stuff yet and don't intend to, but holy cow, what a great waveform= editor. Far superior to anything else I've seen in Logic or Ableton.= =A0

Have not tried SoundForge but surely looking forward to= the Mac version coming soon :)

Phil
ps Ableton got pretty well snubbed in that article...

On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 12:57 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

No mention of Audition.
It does allow you to drop a video into the multitrack,
which some of those mentioned here don't afaik.<= font color=3D"#888888">

andy


Per Boysen wrote:
Since there has been a lot of discussion abut different Digital Audio
Workstations on this list I'd like to recommend those interested to
read this excellent article:

Your DAW: getting engaged, married, or divorced?
http://= www.filmmusicmag.com/?p=3D9865

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen




--f46d0442712ea9927a04c6daca49-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 20:23:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69BE518345C; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 20:23:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=xGNxAN4w1WHePvEAArwg+kRXct1yhgT6NTSs6mgiEGc=; b=tDGNwOVmVGBHNErfXJfVQ0lGM4Rt6HQjIETpZ5T5eYn3dYuQPz7Q98iZPfpffs0jfQ tHsCY9HaNmVBybB9Y6vUtjfOwupykn1q9/GDyb0afWeltmZ9vlU0dnXgPeoUxug49bKv XzngB01YBqDjcuxnb6Us1J3Q3ZkEC17hLS5OjpZQZsLDWdYXdk+gaeMF3enUIWpx8cC7 d2ma8BPuqaXX12VPB5D+OEAYyOJshKqoOeyY7Lclb0Z1ZgmoAZLJiLtI2nnVbDSQ3tMJ QVYj+hFA9e7wIt3CKtsVSOwykt0qg0IcHdrMv9EYn6IIrfG8dwf9bxJNOKXW/de4uSY5 JYug== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <50241629.8050302@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 16:23:14 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Great round-up article comparing DAWs From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0445174144076304c6daff2b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 20:23:15 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0445174144076304c6daff2b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I use "lite" home studio versions of Vegas, Acid and Sound Forge, they work well together for me. I don't do multi tracking but I do sometime use Acid for 'collage' things. I mainly record to Audacity though and Ninjam with Reaper. j On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > Heehee - I've worked for Adobe for eight years now, and only recently > discovered Audition. > > Not touched it's 'DAW' stuff yet and don't intend to, but holy cow, what a > great waveform editor. Far superior to anything else I've seen in Logic or > Ableton. > > Have not tried SoundForge but surely looking forward to the Mac version > coming soon :) > > Phil > > ps Ableton got pretty well snubbed in that article... > > On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 12:57 PM, andy butler wrote: > >> >> No mention of Audition. >> It does allow you to drop a video into the multitrack, >> which some of those mentioned here don't afaik. >> >> andy >> >> >> Per Boysen wrote: >> >>> Since there has been a lot of discussion abut different Digital Audio >>> Workstations on this list I'd like to recommend those interested to >>> read this excellent article: >>> >>> Your DAW: getting engaged, married, or divorced? >>> http://www.filmmusicmag.com/?**p=9865 >>> >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> www.perboysen.com >>> http://www.youtube.com/**perboysen >>> >>> >>> >> > --f46d0445174144076304c6daff2b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I use "lite" home studio versions of Vegas, Acid and Sound Forge,= they work well together for me. I don't do multi tracking but I do som= etime use Acid for 'collage' things. I mainly record to Audacity th= ough and Ninjam with Reaper.

j

On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Phi= l Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
Heehee =A0- I've worked for Adobe for eight years now, and only recentl= y discovered Audition.=A0

Not touched it's 'DAW&= #39; stuff yet and don't intend to, but holy cow, what a great waveform= editor. Far superior to anything else I've seen in Logic or Ableton.= =A0

Have not tried SoundForge but surely looking forward to= the Mac version coming soon :)

Phil
ps Ableton got pretty well snubbed in that article...

On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 12:57 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

No mention of Audition.
It does allow you to drop a video into the multitrack,
which some of those mentioned here don't afaik.

andy


Per Boysen wrote:
Since there has been a lot of discussion abut different Digital Audio
Workstations on this list I'd like to recommend those interested to
read this excellent article:

Your DAW: getting engaged, married, or divorced?
http://= www.filmmusicmag.com/?p=3D9865

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen





--f46d0445174144076304c6daff2b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 20:43:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3551183461; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 20:43:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=mu1ZqLU121lCtMkKzUdqfTQwA24GpeKfR0XygKz0V6c=; b=TnogA0PHtSeIgcNLq3As/wjE2KYRP5tlHgD0MQXSTVKub5j20hCdYhLu8/fBy+B47A ROjAjexg21AunWrbGFi87jn+U30n7HVjZDklK07Xyph5h4XyqEwUTqn1LI/l3Qm62e5x TLIZI4M78o+sFf/TU3hRgDtFGs8Dwvdb9Sp2Md6REmecUMJCx6fxegG9qt0uZrIgfji0 jQKHsEbHgv9Vn0rGehiA9Dqx3eAXaU0z+c9YR+4mDkQmhV/OAfoReYFX819TL2VnIESA ii5lhp7mXokR56zCqGtpRVsFDarrySQerXxIItklAwQFMjX1y4WdwDxJRjIOIeLUmyYY EHPw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <50241629.8050302@tiscali.co.uk> References: <50241629.8050302@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 22:43:02 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Great round-up article comparing DAWs From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <9UQQc.A.nLG.XDCJQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 20:43:03 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:57 PM, andy butler wrote: > No mention of Audition. > It does allow you to drop a video into the multitrack, > which some of those mentioned here don't afaik. Oopsie! Ableton too does that ;-) http://www.perboysen.com/cutting-video-in-ableton-live/ Audition is nice though. Cool Edit (was Audition in its previous life) offered the best bang-for-the-buck audio file cleaning algo, I remember. Massive kudos going that way... Awesome sample editor but I wouldn't call it a DAW. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 20:50:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA96218345B; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 20:50:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=PcZixQKiJn757262AscU+Rw1cpH2fR2WjWhfElREBCU=; b=ou0JOhWZSRvtUyxYb+2m3/i4kZRtGEZpCt/X2EUad0KMdnZjPez98q82mdOE4HAGLY 0chM+RGWyVH9syhZLt+OS9qJ1pWzsoHyu2VNnQ92Q5862DmFrblfOxI5kQFeoiLhrT7+ wWtSOJK9rSbTQiTD9mJHheP212TEXemAdgJP4pjGDbFygS7V+DEDW78GnWXV0iglhxeG VXl8myt4aonXxr6CeS5SH7jF1e7ZXoNy3xP/baZWNTKYlT1aOEte4XN9iSMFRFf0gPGJ Olqa7GTCD+6eEeZALazrwEUFdbOouDWbrPVoAAH4kCNE175CiQCFIudp7ve2O5CLtO6t RKmw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <50241629.8050302@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 22:50:39 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Great round-up article comparing DAWs From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <5N4vP.A.2WG.gKCJQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 20:50:40 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > Audition. > great waveform editor. Far superior to anything else I've seen in Logic or > Ableton. Of course, Logic and Ableton are DAWs, not waveform editors. One could discuss whether Live is a DAW though, since it doesn't print out score sheets or allow much algorithmic editing of MIDI. Live is an interesting hybrid somewhere between the DAW and a music instrument. > Have not tried SoundForge That's my favorite sample editor! (until a Mac version exists I stick with Italian DSP-Quattro, not bad either but can't compete with SoundForge) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 20:58:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B863183460; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 20:58:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=xEJTaSj2sQJEY98Vccddbl6vsVOb4Y+cBONkjfuKWqo=; b=LXVgadaBuYuMCxCBKFNq/dnMw8iauzvV6saSUsYigReofdl6703P1INftTa7aGmRoR rPPwwLg28EwFB3WLenOGtcO4kG1+DvLj3xxWd4seE+WaeP2SafVytWHtbVrbFO08yy1f WkhWLaU7U1XNvdXxL6SAZzWWANp3NgnvRV/oh7T9cvwZQA2pfEnVDDT1eEkZf96B+S7j Itd6PZMwc/kczAJkk1BZyRuOeE6eHlBn4zBaY7ET+A4UlNFM89tEhl1Yb6XQ5V1D9rKl Iv0FGNgbLbif/mPdtn6aUxk7xak3z+xcxP7TXjcUXbyEEaF5cRQyJHA7eKJRL/MBLDfO S7nw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <50241629.8050302@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 16:58:07 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Great round-up article comparing DAWs From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 20:58:08 +0000 (UTC) Per said: > Audition is nice though. Cool Edit (was Audition in its previous life) > offered the best bang-for-the-buck audio file cleaning algo, I > remember. Massive kudos going that way... Awesome sample editor but I > wouldn't call it a DAW. Actually, the latest version is pretty convincing as a DAW with its multitrack editor and mixer. It even has some nice multi-channel mixing capabilities... Assuming you don't need MIDI tracks, I wouldn't discount it as a DAW (not my personal choice, but it is my goto sound editing software). Sylvain From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 21:40:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17675183464; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 21:40:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2101752147==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120809214013.8241.21436.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 17:40:13 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: A question for computer programmers Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 21:40:25 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============2101752147== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello!=20Here=20is=20a=20question=20for=20you=20programmers=20who=20are=20a= lso=20loopers.=20Have=20you=20ever=20been=20in=20a=20situation=20where=20th= e=20 term=20"loop"=20in=20computer=20programming=20and=20the=20term=20"loop"=20i= n=20sound=20technology=20met?=20Loop=20programming=20 controlling=20a=20sound=20loop,=20for=20example? Tyler=20Z --===============2101752147==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 21:58:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BE1B183460; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 21:58:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 441 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 21:58:52 UTC Message-ID: <20120809143420.9kw85gm2sgc4s4gc@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 14:34:20 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Tyler Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A question for computer programmers References: <20120809214013.8241.21436.levelstar.mail@everest> In-Reply-To: <20120809214013.8241.21436.levelstar.mail@everest> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 21:58:52 +0000 (UTC) interesting question, but not really answerable, beyond, 'of course'.. in some ways, it is like asking if anyone uses sound in looping.. there are only two things you do in programming, read/write/manipulate data and make choices.. looping control structures (while, for, etc) and the more simple conditional statement (if) are the used for handling the making of choices, and the guts of most software. Quoting Tyler : > Hello! Here is a question for you programmers who are also loopers. > Have you ever been in a situation where the > term "loop" in computer programming and the term "loop" in sound > technology met? Loop programming > controlling a sound loop, for example? > Tyler Z > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 22:35:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87039183463; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 22:35:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.234.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:SN2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-BigFish: PS-9(zzbb2dI98dI9371I179dNzz1202hzz8275chz2fh2a8h668h839h944he5bhf0ah107ah) Received-SPF: pass (mail152-ch1: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.234.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.234.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=SN2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: Tyler , "loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: A question for computer programmers Thread-Topic: A question for computer programmers Thread-Index: AQHNdnea3tpBj191U0mQxIg8bOgUUpdRvcuA Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 22:35:30 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20120809214013.8241.21436.levelstar.mail@everest> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.255.83.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <77C1E067DC56B24CA0C1B101862EE44F@namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 22:35:35 +0000 (UTC) Hmm, well "loop" has many meanings in programming: - use of a looping statement in the programming language such as for, while, and do =20 - code paths that when executed, may return to a previously executed part of the path, and continue cycling - an "event loop" continuously waiting for someone to use the mouse or keyboard then responding to those events Looping software will contain lots of examples of all of these. But the process of assembling audio samples and sending them to the sound card so that the user hears a continuous loop is rarely done with a programming language looping statement, for example: while (true) { play a sample } Due to the way audio software has to interact with the sound card and the user interface, audio applications are almost always designed to respond to events sent by an event loop that is controlled by the operating system. Jeff On 8/9/12 4:40 PM, "Tyler" wrote: >Hello! Here is a question for you programmers who are also loopers. Have >you ever been in a situation where the >term "loop" in computer programming and the term "loop" in sound >technology met? Loop programming >controlling a sound loop, for example? >Tyler Z > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 23:44:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36218183465; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 23:44:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 19:44:34 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: Great round-up article comparing DAWs In-Reply-To: References: <50241629.8050302@tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20120809234432.2E4AE60F9@smtp3.wightman.ca> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 23:44:34 +0000 (UTC) Nice that Audition has received at least some recognition here. I've been using it as my main multitrack recorder since in was Cool Edit Pro and found some of the upgrades quite impressive since it became Audition. In multitrack mode there are a couple of ways to go about automating mixdowns and personally I find the editor to be excellent, easy to use. I don't have the latest version, but have been thinking about it. Here is a rundown comparison between version 3 and the newest. the biggest down side to the new version is that there is no midi or vsti support. http://www.adobe.com/ca/products/audition/buying-guide-version-comparison.html I've also been playing around with Propellerheads Record, and there are some things that I really like about it, but at the moment the overall program feels clumsy to me and seems more cpu intensive than Audition. The version I have is version 1 and the newer versions may be better and I think now it's just included with Reason but I haven't upgraded since version 4 so I don't really know. regards, Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca Ontario, Canada At 04:58 PM 8/9/2012, you wrote: >Per said: > > Audition is nice though. Cool Edit (was Audition in its previous life) > > offered the best bang-for-the-buck audio file cleaning algo, I > > remember. Massive kudos going that way... Awesome sample editor but I > > wouldn't call it a DAW. > >Actually, the latest version is pretty convincing as a DAW with its >multitrack editor and mixer. It even has some nice multi-channel >mixing capabilities... Assuming you don't need MIDI tracks, I >wouldn't discount it as a DAW (not my personal choice, but it is my >goto sound editing software). > >Sylvain From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 06:31:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FFF2183460; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 06:31:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=FQj0lPc3+eVR9ACmXg3mZt6Yl3BUQJzgcTpzIJaHmPU=; b=eQyFzdiT65cCXVoCAR5aZrEz67C87erk5QtZLTzTQZVnESK7dYqwi5vKOG223RihRE kxLKJpkVa5r0wlA5kF/XO81yeDIa5EhaVQ5P1JCZxwsXgLvLcRD+g1YjL3RUOXph4mot xKGzajjps/R6mp9OKZJ2B8qBRMlVJujSugLqfzmdGFqdpBJOpxapKVxS5iOQHfxEKf8N KB+eAUMn24G0VzRsphWI/8FKqO/h28/SXHmgBh3gKD2s6Sdu3wYbyEodrdXJ06cfSiap W5QpdrppXta5PQZ8lhq330Sh+BaHBBaVv8AajQ5p54OGR/Vg67Fgumvz04622TRR4n1E hb8Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Jim W." Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 23:30:31 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: a life well-lived To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3071cdfe7f30be04c6e37d0c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 06:31:13 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3071cdfe7f30be04c6e37d0c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I continue to lurk here since who knows how long & wish you all the best. My life has been strange & insular for 3 years but that ended. I read this obituary today & thought it was well-written. I like drummers, so I read it twice. Drummers made me think of Rick Walker. Which reminded me to check my LD email basket. It has no real looping content, but what the heck... Digital music pioneer Gerald Kearby dies in Peninsula car crash PESCADERO -- Digital music pioneer Gerald Kearby, who once turned down an offer from Steve Jobs to buy his company, died Monday when his truck veered off a rural San Mateo County road and into a tree. The crash on Pescadero Creek road ended a remarkable life and career that stretched from teaching award-winning drum line performers to designing custom equipment for the Grateful Dead as well as Jefferson Starship and finally cofounding online music company Liquid Audio. The loss of the 65-year-old Pescadero resident has left the music world mourning one of its characters and innovators. A memorial website is overflowing with photos and remembrances for the man who once responded to a salesman's complaint over a broken office window by saying: "Pete, you're a sales guy; the only (expletive) window (you) should be looking out is one from a plane!" According to the California Highway Patrol, Kearby lost control of his 2008 Ford pickup near Roy Gulch Road around 6:40 p.m. Monday. He apparently tried to straighten out the truck, after it drifted off the road for reasons that remain unclear, but overcompensated. The Ford went through the oncoming lane, hit a roadside tree and flipped. Kearby, who was wearing a seat belt, was pronounced dead at the scene, police said. Longtime business partner and friend Rob Modeste, 57, said Kearby was on his way home from Redwood City and was a short distance from his house when the crash happened. The men had been together earlier in the day for a meeting and then grabbed a beer at Gourmet Haus Staudt. They said good bye, not knowing they wouldn't see each other alive again. Kearby was born in Oklahoma and spent his early years around the West, said Modeste. He ended up in the Bay Area and, a drummer himself, was teaching drum line performers. By the time he hit his 30s he realized he wanted to do something else, about the time the two met in 1979, Modeste said. In the 1980s they built custom audio equipment for Bay Area legends the Grateful Dead and Jefferson Starship. In the mid-1980s the men saw the early potential of digital recording, jumped into the field and were bought out by a Swiss electronics firm. Then in the 1996 came the idea to sell music on the Internet. Modeste and Kearby had been working on an idea for a website that would allow music fans to remix songs they loved. But a conversation with a venture capitalist gave them the idea to simply sell songs online. What followed was a rapid rise and then fall of their company Liquid Audio. After losing control of the company in a nasty tussle with investors, Kearby resigned in November 2002. Before that occurred, Steve Jobs had offered to buy the music startup. The price, however, was less than the roughly $100 million the company had in the bank, Modeste said. In the end Kearby declined the offer, saying the board of directors would never accept to be bought for less cash then they had in hand. In 2005 Modeste and Kearby launched another venture, this one was called Neurotone and which specializes in audio therapy aimed at helping people with damaged hearing, like the rocker's curse of ringing ears called tinnitus. "We had spent our careers making people deaf," Modeste said. "It was time to fix all the damage we had done." Kearby is a survived by his wife. Contact Joshua Melvin at 650-348-4335. Follow him at Twitter.com/melvinreport. --20cf3071cdfe7f30be04c6e37d0c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I continue to lurk here since who knows how long & wish you all the bes= t. My life has been strange & insular for 3 years but that ended.
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I read this obituary today & thought it was well-written.= =C2=A0I like drummers, so I read it twice.

Drummers made me think of Rick Walker. Which reminded m= e to check my LD email basket.

It has no real loop= ing content, but what the heck...

Digital mus= ic pioneer Gerald Kearby dies in Peninsula car crash

PESCADERO -- Digital music pioneer Gerald Kearby, who o= nce turned down an offer from Steve Jobs to buy his company, died Monday wh= en his truck veered off a rural San Mateo County road and into a tree.

The crash on Pescadero Creek road ended a remarkable li= fe and career that stretched from teaching award-winning drum line performe= rs to designing custom equipment for the Grateful Dead as well as Jefferson= Starship and finally cofounding online music company Liquid Audio.

The loss of the 65-year-old Pescadero resident has left= the music world mourning one of its characters and innovators. A memorial = website is overflowing with photos and remembrances for the man who once re= sponded to a salesman's complaint over a broken office window by saying= : "Pete, you're a sales guy; the only (expletive) window (you) sho= uld be looking out is one from a plane!"

According to the California Highway Patrol, Kearby lost= control of his 2008 Ford pickup near Roy Gulch Road around 6:40 p.m. Monda= y. He apparently tried to straighten out the truck, after it drifted off th= e road for reasons that remain unclear, but overcompensated. The Ford went = through the oncoming lane, hit a roadside tree and flipped. Kearby, who was= wearing a seat belt, was pronounced dead at the scene, police said.

Longtime business partner and friend Rob Modeste, 57, s= aid Kearby was on his way home from Redwood City and was

a short distance from his house when the crash happened. The men had= been together earlier in the day for a meeting and then grabbed a beer at = Gourmet Haus Staudt. They said good bye, not knowing they wouldn't see = each other alive again.
Kearby was born in Oklahoma and spent his early years around the West,= said Modeste. He ended up in the Bay Area and, a drummer himself, was teac= hing drum line performers. By the time he hit his 30s he realized he wanted= to do something else, about the time the two met in 1979, Modeste said. In= the 1980s they built custom audio equipment for Bay Area legends the Grate= ful Dead and Jefferson Starship.

In the mid-1980s the men saw the early potential of dig= ital recording, jumped into the field and were bought out by a Swiss electr= onics firm. Then in the 1996 came the idea to sell music on the Internet.

Modeste and Kearby had been working on an idea for a we= bsite that would allow music fans to remix songs they loved. But a conversa= tion with a venture capitalist gave them the idea to simply sell songs onli= ne. What followed was a rapid rise and then fall of their company Liquid Au= dio. After losing control of the company in a nasty tussle with investors, = Kearby resigned in November 2002.

Before that occurred, Steve Jobs had offered to buy the= music startup. The price, however, was less than the roughly $100 million = the company had in the bank, Modeste said. In the end Kearby declined the o= ffer, saying the board of directors would never accept to be bought for les= s cash then they had in hand.

In 2005 Modeste and Kearby launched another venture, th= is one was called Neurotone and which specializes in audio therapy aimed at= helping people with damaged hearing, like the rocker's curse of ringin= g ears called tinnitus.

"We had spent our careers making people deaf,"= ; Modeste said. "It was time to fix all the damage we had done."<= /div>

Kearby is a survived by his wife.

Contact Joshua Melvin at 650-348-4335. Follow him at Twitter.com= /melvinreport.
--20cf3071cdfe7f30be04c6e37d0c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 11:12:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4237C183461; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:12:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=qj+wrcYuaXvXMhHldW4tbhxFj8tP6AG1JW9ZAseW77o=; b=r0rb4G+SQRPNYkwrXMr71eO0nfGpEtmzKY2/PMrtjLqoaqK8ke7jiS75qevfYlOjom CJHfZ4sl/u9azhKBKmraXKvHuzJmRUJebU2V0G4pJUijIFgVIIyWWQRLcpfHjudzfRhF 42+WyqZktKsXQKb+g+aGJ9lsMjtN7SlqWvnx6ts+yRxDaK0cYpWirmUWyo4kYKeUCCuq ju7ZvdDLlGBpdz9LSYwtx+ESAirpfOQjxKR8QIwsWTQ6h7Bz8eNMqYGw1ZpgT4/UEkkA /UBVnDUBdEcU3YCK8P9Kzc53cyMJnA3p3IYN2YRX4zNSL5z4YGubUT2xEuIPKyqyb0yv Nymw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:12:07 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: a life well-lived From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:12:09 +0000 (UTC) Sad to hear about Gerald Kearby. Liquid Audio was a great vision and I had some exciting contact with the company by the late nineties as I was writing a book on the subject of Internet Music. Gerald's co-workers Brad and Tammy especially come to mind helping me in a very nice way. Tammy argued that I should write in English but I decided to go with Swedish to bring in future guest lecturer gigs at the Swedish universities. Not a too big market for Swedish books though, so maybe she was right... I did not know about the offer they got from Apple. But looking back today my take is that Apple copied a lot of the original Liquid Audio ideas, but with a bit more focus on the music consumer and a system less favorabel for musicians, artists and composers. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Jim W. wrote: > I continue to lurk here since who knows how long & wish you all the best. My > life has been strange & insular for 3 years but that ended. > > I read this obituary today & thought it was well-written. I like drummers, > so I read it twice. > > Drummers made me think of Rick Walker. Which reminded me to check my LD > email basket. > > It has no real looping content, but what the heck... > > Digital music pioneer Gerald Kearby dies in Peninsula car crash > > PESCADERO -- Digital music pioneer Gerald Kearby, who once turned down an > offer from Steve Jobs to buy his company, died Monday when his truck veered > off a rural San Mateo County road and into a tree. > > The crash on Pescadero Creek road ended a remarkable life and career that > stretched from teaching award-winning drum line performers to designing > custom equipment for the Grateful Dead as well as Jefferson Starship and > finally cofounding online music company Liquid Audio. > > The loss of the 65-year-old Pescadero resident has left the music world > mourning one of its characters and innovators. A memorial website is > overflowing with photos and remembrances for the man who once responded to a > salesman's complaint over a broken office window by saying: "Pete, you're a > sales guy; the only (expletive) window (you) should be looking out is one > from a plane!" > > According to the California Highway Patrol, Kearby lost control of his 2008 > Ford pickup near Roy Gulch Road around 6:40 p.m. Monday. He apparently tried > to straighten out the truck, after it drifted off the road for reasons that > remain unclear, but overcompensated. The Ford went through the oncoming > lane, hit a roadside tree and flipped. Kearby, who was wearing a seat belt, > was pronounced dead at the scene, police said. > > Longtime business partner and friend Rob Modeste, 57, said Kearby was on his > way home from Redwood City and was > > a short distance from his house when the crash happened. The men had been > together earlier in the day for a meeting and then grabbed a beer at Gourmet > Haus Staudt. They said good bye, not knowing they wouldn't see each other > alive again. > Kearby was born in Oklahoma and spent his early years around the West, said > Modeste. He ended up in the Bay Area and, a drummer himself, was teaching > drum line performers. By the time he hit his 30s he realized he wanted to do > something else, about the time the two met in 1979, Modeste said. In the > 1980s they built custom audio equipment for Bay Area legends the Grateful > Dead and Jefferson Starship. > > In the mid-1980s the men saw the early potential of digital recording, > jumped into the field and were bought out by a Swiss electronics firm. Then > in the 1996 came the idea to sell music on the Internet. > > Modeste and Kearby had been working on an idea for a website that would > allow music fans to remix songs they loved. But a conversation with a > venture capitalist gave them the idea to simply sell songs online. What > followed was a rapid rise and then fall of their company Liquid Audio. After > losing control of the company in a nasty tussle with investors, Kearby > resigned in November 2002. > > Before that occurred, Steve Jobs had offered to buy the music startup. The > price, however, was less than the roughly $100 million the company had in > the bank, Modeste said. In the end Kearby declined the offer, saying the > board of directors would never accept to be bought for less cash then they > had in hand. > > In 2005 Modeste and Kearby launched another venture, this one was called > Neurotone and which specializes in audio therapy aimed at helping people > with damaged hearing, like the rocker's curse of ringing ears called > tinnitus. > > "We had spent our careers making people deaf," Modeste said. "It was time to > fix all the damage we had done." > > Kearby is a survived by his wife. > > Contact Joshua Melvin at 650-348-4335. Follow him at > Twitter.com/melvinreport. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 12:54:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09B62183460; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:54:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 397 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:54:12 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kevinkissinger.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=CMDJhy+DqvSFZuefhZzfiLZ8qQP1NL+nOhJ8aINGFj0=; b=jNSVQzbrn35lzcNtb7Zm7i8vWsVmcEPtxfMciK9izaj1ufipkktmWA9O1sayA9/AcgmmSEuwwwo3He1eXWiR9UQkh/Qd4MxqY5xDpjEPj5zVXOYfhv85wJz/VMp0ydJp; Message-ID: <20120810074710.33437e7t1l5eudou@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 07:47:10 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A question for computer programmers References: <20120809214013.8241.21436.levelstar.mail@everest> In-Reply-To: <20120809214013.8241.21436.levelstar.mail@everest> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.11) X-Identified-User: {3864:box516.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:smtp auth 127.0.0.1 authed with kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:54:12 +0000 (UTC) On conference calls sometimes combinations of unmuted lines and latency causes loops. Our company is spread out and uses teleconferences so much that the issue never arises now -- I guess they worked out some of the glitches. There isn't really any overlap between my day-to-day programming activities and audio (DSP) applications. While programs contain loops, the word "loop" generally suggests a bug: a program trapped in an infinite loop (not good). In fact, the (TPF) operating system sets a timer everytime it passes control to an application. If the timer counts down to zero and the program is still in control (has not completed nor issued an SVC (supervisor call) instruction), the system aborts the program and reports an error. How much time? Just a few milliseconds! (One of the fun things about working with large mainframes -- they are really fast!) I think though that this drives my interest in analog/hardware-based music. Since I spend all day at a computer I kind of want a break when I'm on my own time. -- Kevin Quoting Tyler : > Hello! Here is a question for you programmers who are also loopers. > Have you ever been in a situation where the > term "loop" in computer programming and the term "loop" in sound > technology met? Loop programming > controlling a sound loop, for example? > Tyler Z > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 14:38:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2279618345B; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:38:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YbtWR9taFVcD6LSkOHs1GsMvGOgq9p/NyP+iIuFP7v8=; b=CZSe5cHD0rLnYfgxtV1E0/SInfbXHht3V+3Sd+nBctr9VXcfHsxv2cRMFXkzG+NLIg 8orVkxBLFSh9SbUZr37pE6duvKH5H/rrErpP5sgtRyJLXqWC4YzQ2+glMwBF12xhvDfu zqt74YTOoXsLi1rbs7MBpfhj7SS1LrYxiaaAF1ajs1uYv0Jd+Gf2BuGw2N+NQC3z/g3T tqNN6Z2qeknLlNyPpm8cRpGNqYXrtKRi2YxWMuor6mY7Pv5uPPKm8jOEXTmLX3YjDpyB n1bvhdrZ5dXDvtEKFvW7UuUgB3rzn4Nf8LHM6mvqTIuw2w6bOgt8UxBF3qEzJAh96Fk7 Upkg== Message-ID: <50251CE8.6000605@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:38:32 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A question for computer programmers References: <20120809214013.8241.21436.levelstar.mail@everest> <20120810074710.33437e7t1l5eudou@mail.kevinkissinger.com> In-Reply-To: <20120810074710.33437e7t1l5eudou@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:38:36 +0000 (UTC) kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com schrieb: > On conference calls sometimes combinations of unmuted lines and > latency causes loops. Our company is spread out and uses > teleconferences so much that the issue never arises now -- I guess > they worked out some of the glitches. This is fantastic! I have these colleagues who a) are in India (and their English sounds accordingly) and b) have that problem with latency and local feedback on conference calls. Every weekly conference call turns into an Asian Dub Foundation. Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 15:26:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D5A5183461; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:26:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=trufun.com; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject; bh=S9ilx7k6IkKvuEEdLab/s0ttgMpceqfbHYPHqTJc2eY=; b=Xi1SR0srV7Xbm2tR0bKb/11lx7VYYPaiyTY6nenTOyd1hxgrRWtPzuclnNL5OOjMMBChtQZvDjmABmRz6N3B2CUcSDlqevmiqzMRXbBq5djMOdXCgHbEh2yK+5M0yaa0; Subject: Re: a life well-lived Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Gans In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:26:50 -0700 Cc: David Gans Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2B1CA9DA-602E-4768-AC73-53B56C316F3E@trufun.com> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <58O1D.A.p7H.8gSJQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:26:52 +0000 (UTC) So sorry to hear of Gerry Kearby's death. I met him more than 20 years = ago, when he was with Dyaxis - the very first digital audio workstation. = I wound up buying Sonic Solutions several years later, but I was amazed = by what Gerry and his partners had come up with in the early, early days = of computer audio technology. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 17:55:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AD11183461; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:55:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3gNUCFdieSvUtP+e8dgKECHIR98BdYDaa7LwwKW28V0=; b=fHDQphOnlqP1hpaumr3+xWJ4Vms4qqTQT+/gTBkTDB9t3F3rdVPwn1LLjpA9rz5j0y lIfhfJSJs7EvKIpGdBrHjSoqgJro4RRJdS54F6PgMC/RydDGMKE36ebPZxL2DWHGynwV PrJ5uvt39nE+8GknbFRdkwlW8IkepCRkOqVy0Nrq79hS3U+Zn3ojOMspLBB+nxi1YoNF ITCcbNVN+U/Ah8bDefPo0FFgDHZPbFWCg67gEyijRzzASykRibLLXDtAXtzO29c15Jz9 R0t41OYuCkxA2YeDOugMyP6ZRIJEtV8JF0S7+noMhqIZ3l467BmXUU6VHeuobD7gBirM zGow== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1344371175.45764.YahooMailClassic@web84520.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <31727064-FA24-4A0A-8108-D5FC05F0EB04@mac.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:55:44 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not From: Keith Smith To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae934058395990304c6ed0db3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:55:45 +0000 (UTC) --14dae934058395990304c6ed0db3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If you're playing a solid body with a bolt-on neck, you might consider removing the neck, packing your clothes in the case and put the body in your carry-on. Bill Keith did something like this with his banjos; recommended it, in fact. It's certainly a less attractive solution for a a guitar than a banjo but if you don't do it very often... k --14dae934058395990304c6ed0db3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 If you're playing a solid body with a bolt-on neck, you might consider removing the neck, packing your clothes in the case and put the body in your carry-on.

Bill Keith did something like this with his banjos; recommended it, in fact.

It's certainly a less attractive solution for a a guitar than a banjo but if you don't do it very often...
k


--14dae934058395990304c6ed0db3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 17:58:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB55C183462; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:58:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 804382066/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.70.125.137/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.70.125.137 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAJ5LJVBPRn2J/2dsb2JhbAANN70TAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBiBSkKpNhjleDHAObEo0m X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,747,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="804382066" Message-ID: <50254BCC.8060108@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:58:36 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Great round-up article comparing DAWs References: <50241629.8050302@tiscali.co.uk> <20120809234432.2E4AE60F9@smtp3.wightman.ca> In-Reply-To: <20120809234432.2E4AE60F9@smtp3.wightman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:58:53 +0000 (UTC) paul wrote: > Nice that Audition has received at least some recognition here. > Here is a rundown comparison between version 3 and the newest. > the biggest down side to the new version is that there is no midi or > vsti support. > > http://www.adobe.com/ca/products/audition/buying-guide-version-comparison.html > hmm, all the best features are in Audition 3 (and most were in v2), ...which they won't let you buy. I neglected to upgrade from v2, so I'm stuck there till they catch up. Funny how big companies always manage to let you down in some way. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 20:28:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 569FF183462; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 20:28:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 230038.53630.bm@omp1028.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1344630527; bh=bjdEFJyYI2VfbeK1q5I10GbWtra9elXj9Kqljpb8gNg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xwd8iALR8ZVdJbpX9aB5QsFKsmC1iJVOY9a0EwBOvLTr6FjnuhKhohJBX+JHK5Y2ZUYTmNYLRE4e9JgcsX2yo7sumki03gXzY4mAJTmJ+QgLgWuyOD6ltpZaSyu2Az+x1o0n55g4Gf+YeeXMxGhJPY026k5woLgCv7bSfNU7iqY= X-YMail-OSG: wPgldPQVM1k41O.bk03Y0.kgD9Xks5X2b_GESleFwxpkr7M ir6CWqen9mwqStI.zd37qi3sfBgzLMxboTOv1ZRo3DI0iJ7MhbtX3yETPtXU WDIUJbkKcVmtlD_WjihQK.VqkP1n5X5dkqDLzJezEq1AI9egDqNKsYFNyQb. S8HkUPz.oIOXSRlvkulNorLItO.xLM9SyJzTpEqxgLiiG5VnEb7L.gAhf6Mu f7dwcPjhxwW6Y3H2WeQOp8rihNk2zc4hrUOzSVStx.taQN8DgsT3JfRSW012 PZr1YpcGtFwqClhG6f2PdoPquucxYMAq1dE_cGdMqrJWvwHIQuUgay3eEb0w XohZLv2_uTs_LVDJFjMqrL5jHDGL.Tz2ZXTFUbCk6SNfalb6fJrlGIGzo3rW gpGxSzYH6c8ER4Tn.0eBzrQtmoI8.jdUUbEH01d8sqxJJsENjT4d_S0V6TRU Xqv6d7SjOeWag9vE5iH9OfwXBUJN.rhu3Y05urExwWsJAuHDZ8oXFodTgpOP 2 X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1344630527.63150.YahooMailClassic@web84507.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:28:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-776851418-157565546-1344630527=:63150" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 20:28:50 +0000 (UTC) ---776851418-157565546-1344630527=:63150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This could be a very good idea. Thanks! --- On Fri, 8/10/12, Keith Smith wrote: From: Keith Smith Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Friday, August 10, 2012, 1:55 PM If you're playing a solid body with a bolt-on neck, you might consider removing the neck, packing your clothes in the case and put the body in your carry-on. Bill Keith did something like this with his banjos; recommended it, in fact. It's certainly a less attractive solution for a a guitar than a banjo but if you don't do it very often... k ---776851418-157565546-1344630527=:63150 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
This could be a very good idea. Thanks!


--- On Fri, 8/10/12, Keith Smith <kahsmith@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Keith Smith <kahsmith@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Friday, August 10, 2012, 1:55 PM

If you're playing a solid body with a bolt-on neck, you might consider removing the neck, packing your clothes in the case and put the body in your carry-on.

Bill Keith did something like this with his banjos; recommended it, in fact.

It's certainly a less attractive solution for a a guitar than a banjo but if you don't do it very often...
k


---776851418-157565546-1344630527=:63150-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 02:41:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 196F118345E; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 02:41:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 457173.45721.bm@omp1047.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1344652891; bh=DBEX4iNRoPriPuTDDYclVunm/fdQq835xoGKBlWhgK0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UTU1wTHUPbXKE1EpmQs7zkUzvzqnIDXvsNuHXjfreBvzHRog4CkKfZb3vneCkKSHD+n3pUH307qNX6QNEFIFzwRdG60R7LnEjfuGcjxMpbIAss/DQcARkxVJPn0JPGwMJm7lFGnal2ubStbU5lLUgl3lvz2IPp1cQ7rZnxfvbCc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=drYd1/n09DD1mieoWOrjrJso52o51BF7bzcrfYeZjcPrYVNjQUkjNQw80N5IAg3dBiIptemqUquEOK6apppR43ehKPfqLHPYnUL2Jvi6z6wSlA0b9X2svnTvFE+mXgRRWsxrjbRG3kdtnb4o1G4WhhDoCKYxRRlhwp4ftKo6OTI=; X-YMail-OSG: d1uo3ZMVM1mFsjIjrCqAlYxF6WiJ6gX5toLI0y39DWRd7q0 ZylLyPnpzWCqzunrxyXjF.vcR8H5._qSTcURBQFsYAimrmTfbVEuYtKIbpR8 8ytER1KA9RE3BBW7_AD549isnJnVszU22FKJrykkEhcuCMqonKErslM_Tdbe 4T5V6RizXXm2bB679YxWKgfehUkV6X3tqJaqBcKNb2M7COBr.RD2iUvIKvxi aynbi5L_J3Vaxj6zQvhtTZ6ZsC_pHtz82nuoLX81RUVx_Il7I.W6JxdcTQdJ .jMs8FKYSkHe8Wyh2THTAhYWEHp4yUi6iBJSoYWbmf.5VIcwl3T4MDfxwgBI 450i1xJsNPFRverNEWj8gC3BuwrIVd8B25r7KDwGriQfa_TjBZPxL3nmhPx9 KtsreSFvR_EV8uwSOlDb_mEMeG9i_sGmsOfnd2cdB6XMW3uj6UNK1UQpvP6P l6yPGmoPPiPwyE090WsTmEpvtv90ljXA67ncBEBc7AzPEhTNYMLFqsz.Z4Hc 6iWbtjWMdRoxQOPPECJJpZQ0jfuEjDIjzdefRZJuGnYgRfAWiW_a_5fD0F_V yc4_ovSMdZ_wfU94oNjb4ZVyY6ITHK6tf7o2jRUMptTZMmDrloDA3YqB9W1S Bx.8Q_MIu8wjRYP9uFpi0RGSw9n493pSIkGu2JYVVlGS77NYPvQXm5ELkoTr t2vBpZqZ5BFXx40GPTmMFxup2fAfjBZUzXnVVWwfqp4kdx03lIubf2wAnh6O k7Z07UmmXZtZmY2jn2VU- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: Message-ID: <1344652891.76240.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 19:41:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Reply-To: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Duo session recorded - using Mobius new Speed Bend stuff To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1929490892-508850636-1344652891=:76240" Resent-Message-ID: <-V8HNB.A.sAF.cZcJQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 02:41:32 +0000 (UTC) --1929490892-508850636-1344652891=:76240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wow great flamenco player as well!!=0A=0A=A0=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/luisa= ngulocom=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Per Boysen =0ATo: Loopers-Delight =0ASent: Wednesday, August 8, 2012 1:37 PM=0ASubject: Duo session recorde= d - using Mobius new Speed Bend stuff=0A =0AYesterday was a fun high speed = day over here. I woke up and during a=0Aquick breakfast in front of the scr= een I noticed that Mobius has=0Afinally got blessed with continuous (not ha= lf note pitch quantized)=0Aspeed bending. Like vinyl or real tape scratchin= g. Wow! I had fifteen=0Aminutes before the flamenco guitar and oud player w= as going to come=0Afor a session and took a wild chance in downloading, ins= talling and=0Aassigning the Speed Bend function to an expression pedal. Wow= , Speed=0ABending is so fun, you can hear it in the Flamenco Guitar and Sti= ck=0Apiece from 2:45 and onwards.=0A=0Ahttp://soundcloud.com/pboy/oud-vs-tw= elve-stringed-grand=0Ahttp://soundcloud.com/pboy/flamenco-guitar-vs-twelve= =0A=0AGreetings from Sweden=0A=0APer Boysen=0Awww.perboysen.com=0Ahttp://ww= w.youtube.com/perboysen --1929490892-508850636-1344652891=:76240 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
wow great flamenco= player as well!!
 
http://www.myspace.com/= luisangulocom
From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight <Loopers-Delig= ht@loopers-delight.com>
Sent:= Wednesday, August 8, 2012 1:37 PM
Subject: Duo session recorded - using Mobius new Sp= eed Bend stuff

Yesterday was a fun high speed day ov= er here. I woke up and during a
quick breakfast in front of the screen I noticed that M= obius has
finally got blessed with continuous (not half note pitch quant= ized)
speed bending. Like vinyl or real tape scratching. Wow! I had fift= een
minutes before the flamenco guitar and oud player was going to come<= br>for a session and took a wild chance in downloading, installing and
a= ssigning the Speed Bend function to an expression pedal. Wow, Speed
Bend= ing is so fun, you can hear it in the Flamenco Guitar and Stick
piece fr= om 2:45 and onwards.

http://soundcloud.com/pboy/oud-vs-tw= elve-stringed-grand
http://soundcloud.com/pboy/flamenco-guit= ar-vs-twelve

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perb= oysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen



--1929490892-508850636-1344652891=:76240-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 04:38:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 675FB183461; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 04:38:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Subject: Re: Duo session recorded - using Mobius new Speed Bend stuff From: Ed Durbrow In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:38:10 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <13800B3B-A947-431A-95AD-D2F547C77C91@sea.plala.or.jp> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa04b; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:38:10 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 04:38:14 +0000 (UTC) I liked both of those tracks. I'm a sucker for anything plucked. :) On Aug 8, 2012, at 8:37 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Yesterday was a fun high speed day over here. I woke up and during a > quick breakfast in front of the screen I noticed that Mobius has > finally got blessed with continuous (not half note pitch quantized) > speed bending. Like vinyl or real tape scratching. Wow! I had fifteen > minutes before the flamenco guitar and oud player was going to come > for a session and took a wild chance in downloading, installing and > assigning the Speed Bend function to an expression pedal. Wow, Speed > Bending is so fun, you can hear it in the Flamenco Guitar and Stick > piece from 2:45 and onwards. > > http://soundcloud.com/pboy/oud-vs-twelve-stringed-grand > http://soundcloud.com/pboy/flamenco-guitar-vs-twelve > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 05:15:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1390D183463; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 05:15:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <1344371175.45764.YahooMailClassic@web84520.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><31727064-FA24-4A0A-8108-D5FC05F0EB04@mac.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 01:15:07 -0400 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 05:15:11 +0000 (UTC) Well, back in the USA finally, and the laptop to be the nerve center of the rack unit is gotten. The trip was not without incident! I had to put the Strat through special handling because the ramps on Virgin Atlantic couldn't handle the length. When I got to Orlando, went to special handling to pick up Cthulhu, and the poor fella had taken a header out of the cargo bay, 30 feet or more onto the tarmac! Case shattered on the corner, dire fears as to the guitar's state. He's okay! Went to a guitar repair specialist in Jacksonville, and there was nothing wrong. Virgin Atlantic's buying me a new case. Grrr. Scary for a day or so though. -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 12:22 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Flying with a guitar... or not On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > one time I put a note inside my pedalboard case that said "there is no > contraband in here, thank you" > I got a note back that said "that's what you think !!!" > though nothing was missing from the case.... weird TSA people Lol! But isn't it quite common to use "carrier agents" that doesn't know they are used as a carrier? Someone hiding something inside an innocent person's luggage to have it transported with minimal risk taking (for the criminal). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 08:28:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BFF1183461; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 08:28:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=q/U4pm0ht9IGVwzjEavlkYBa4vV2bnyzzNk/UOPGY2w=; b=EWOQQoDEUeUs5PDG7gcffN9ztyFhw2KS0RsnQPWMWfRL9BCVLvZhIld/34bAKCm4rL ASR1qmKrx6GcG4UVAD55t2YnM2xRWwFV8s48quv5gpPOxvYYTD1E0CJFoeAdjDGn0MfN 6MirrLpAiDv3+S4oCgVrGM020sFtY5FGafAjUSL7uTumgPlTmCLVIyV5U+9LnEa4o2RI L5tIUZMIEL5pVX0ogzmFxwOH88IS1JWDwHc7cmjoVEcNeT/LA/Y8QmpPFvunDBl6VS1D tRFgHEWxLdgxjSCC58zB6KFY2EuNAlWe39mXzok03LuP9RRJd86MmQQOjibCkKINl5VI OSPw== Message-ID: <5026179E.3080403@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 10:28:14 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Looper's Delight Mailing List Subject: some loop stuff - "Weird Specialist" outtakes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 08:28:17 +0000 (UTC) I just made a few older looping tracks available: http://soundcloud.com/moinlabs/sets/weird-specialist-the-outtakes/ These are tracks which were at one time or another considered for inclusion on my "Weird Specialist" album (http://moinlabs.de/index.php?id=273). Looping-wise, it's improvised stuff, using Möbius as the main looper, MIDI "loops" are Ableton Live, there's a bunch of soft synths and FX VSTs active. And sometimes an Eclipse. I play guitar and keys. A few noteworthy facts: 1. "The Village": the filter effect is MadShifta's filter, controlled by an envelope clip in Live. At 2:14 a melody loop starts which is 30 beats long, which means it moves its start with relation to the groove on its repetitions. 2. "Piepsmaus" The prominent FX is an Eclipse. I enjoy the two-voiced melody here (which is faked - i.e. I did some editing) appearing at 2:10. 3. "Tech People" A little bit off this track has actually found its way onto Weird Specialist's title tracks. 4. "Gruvi Luubs" Hugely overcompressed - it still works sonically Enjoy! Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 12:09:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDC5818345D; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:09:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <50264B56.9090709@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 08:08:54 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #801 for August 9, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:09:05 +0000 (UTC) Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #801 August 9, 2012. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels?playlist_date=08-09-2012 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on The Tangent Project. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Live on Star's End 02.24.08." PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Oystein Jorgensen Looking Back in Time Imagine (Auraltone) Caul Words of praise Let the Stars Assume the Whole arise, like of Night (Hypnos) flowers Erik Wollo Red Earth Airborns (Projekt) Glenn Main Castles In the Air Ripples (A. D. Music) Glenn Main Dream Catcher Ripples (A. D. Music) Jut Takahashi Fairy's Blues Angel (Lunisolar) Steve Roach and Closed Low Volume Music (Projekt) Dirk Serries 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== The Tangent Project intro space Live on Star's End 02.24.08 The Tangent Project port0 Live on Star's End 02.24.08 The Tangent Project soju Live on Star's End 02.24.08 The Tangent Project 20:30 Live on Star's End 02.24.08 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on The Tangent Project. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Live - The Gatherings 05.17.08." Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info (temporarily down) Temporary site: http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 18:22:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0169E18345D; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 18:22:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1199572837==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120811182235.23826.81313.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 14:22:35 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Anyone here never livelooped? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 18:22:29 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============1199572837== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello!=20Are=20any=20of=20you=20guys=20members=20of=20this=20mailing=20list= =20because=20you=20loop=20in=20the=20studio?=20Anyone=20never=20 livelooped?=20After=20all,=20this=20site=20is=20about=20looping,=20includin= g=20livelooping;=20not=20just=20livelooping,=20even=20 though=20there=20is=20an=20abundance=20of=20livelooping.=20It=20is=20okay= =20to=20talk=20about=20pop=20music=20with=20a=20lot=20of=20repeated=20 samples;=20we=20just=20need=20to=20tell=20a=20lot=20of=20indie=20studio=20l= oopers=20about=20the=20list,=20and=20we=20can=20make=20the=20list=20more=20 like=20how=20it=20is=20described=20on=20the=20website;=20looping=20of=20all= =20kinds. Tyler=20Z --===============1199572837==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 20:05:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94F2F183462; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:05:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3320 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:05:14 UTC Subject: Re: Anyone here never livelooped? References: <20120811182235.23826.81313.levelstar.mail@everest> From: Peter Koniuto Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: <20120811182235.23826.81313.levelstar.mail@everest> Message-Id: <48CEB517-AED4-417C-B84A-4150E74A72D4@redsunsoundroom.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:09:48 -0400 To: "loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - lava.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - redsunsoundroom.com Resent-Message-ID: <-Jt5RD.A.PQE.6rrJQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:05:14 +0000 (UTC) I employ real-time looping all the time and have for nearly 20 years.=20 I have performed live many times, but have never looped in front of a live a= udience. Peter Koniuto On Aug 11, 2012, at 2:22 PM, Tyler wrote: > Hello! Are any of you guys members of this mailing list because you loop i= n the studio? Anyone never=20 > livelooped? After all, this site is about looping, including livelooping; n= ot just livelooping, even=20 > though there is an abundance of livelooping. It is okay to talk about pop m= usic with a lot of repeated=20 > samples; we just need to tell a lot of indie studio loopers about the list= , and we can make the list more=20 > like how it is described on the website; looping of all kinds. > Tyler Z >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 20:21:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74B93183463; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:21:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=trufun.com; s=default; h=To:Date:Subject:From:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Content-Type:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References; bh=mSyfUxKUjwgfIW4qWuAcp4IuZuGYOWLmKDWIxS0IOWk=; b=gYHHmVI666x8QFV9AfYJqiCGF6QoUMfivmsOqxNuKestsdKwb/a4GYnoxpDPDHYynIkHxPqofqgRj1sx5zkszxbU+j+0IDk5nSWXRc0563Y+v42TTtaDL+fl6ItpA5HW; References: <20120811182235.23826.81313.levelstar.mail@everest> <48CEB517-AED4-417C-B84A-4150E74A72D4@redsunsoundroom.com> In-Reply-To: <48CEB517-AED4-417C-B84A-4150E74A72D4@redsunsoundroom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <9B08ECD3-3D08-46D8-9D15-2CCB4D30E212@trufun.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: David Gans Subject: Re: Anyone here never livelooped? Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:21:55 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <-NHFlB.A.6bE.m7rJQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:21:58 +0000 (UTC) I loop in live shows all the time. I often used looper to record the changes= in a song so I can play solos, and I also have several loop-based compositi= ons. I improvise with loops in every performance. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 20:28:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF25418345D; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:28:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2461 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:28:50 UTC References: <20120811182235.23826.81313.levelstar.mail@everest> In-Reply-To: <20120811182235.23826.81313.levelstar.mail@everest> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <1F97E725-4BBD-4F09-A270-B336BB1C2E4B@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Anyone here never livelooped? Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 14:47:45 -0500 To: Tyler X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - slmp-550-64.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:28:50 +0000 (UTC) I'm a relative newbie, I've only been on the list for about 6 years. = But during that time I can't remember ever hearing a spirited discussion=20 about cut-and-paste studio looping. =20 Perhaps those that do aren't frequent posters, but I'm going to guess that the overwhelming majority of the list members, like 90% or more,=20 are interested in live looping. Those that do studio looping are likely going to be more "experimental". Neither group is going to=20 care much what Britney Spears is doing despite what it says on the web site. That doesn't mean it can't change, but specialty forums are kind of like=20= ocean liners. They tend to go in a certain direction and once they've gained momentum, changing the direction requires a lot of time and energy. I'm curious, does anyone know how many members the list currently has? I think it was in the 10th aniversary panel discussion that someone mentioned it was around 400. =20 Jeff On Aug 11, 2012, at 1:22 PM, Tyler wrote: > Hello! Are any of you guys members of this mailing list because you = loop in the studio? Anyone never=20 > livelooped? After all, this site is about looping, including = livelooping; not just livelooping, even=20 > though there is an abundance of livelooping. It is okay to talk about = pop music with a lot of repeated=20 > samples; we just need to tell a lot of indie studio loopers about the = list, and we can make the list more=20 > like how it is described on the website; looping of all kinds. > Tyler Z >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 20:40:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0ADF1183461; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:40:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <20120811182235.23826.81313.levelstar.mail@everest> <48CEB517-AED4-417C-B84A-4150E74A72D4@redsunsoundroom.com> In-Reply-To: <48CEB517-AED4-417C-B84A-4150E74A72D4@redsunsoundroom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Anyone here never livelooped? Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:40:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - slmp-550-64.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:40:22 +0000 (UTC) This has been hashed over many times, but since we're here I actually = don't like the terms "live looping" and "studio looping". More accurate terms = for those are "real-time looping" and.....this one is harder but let's call = it "workstation looping" or "cut and paste looping". Real-time looping can be performed in front of a live audience, or in = the studio. Cut and paste looping is never done in front of an audience, or at least = not one that is being entertained. =20 So when Tyler asks has anyone NEVER livelooped, I think he means do you ONLY do cut and paste arrangements in a DAW, as most=20 pop musicians (or more accurately their producers) do. Jeff On Aug 11, 2012, at 2:09 PM, Peter Koniuto wrote: >=20 > I employ real-time looping all the time and have for nearly 20 years.=20= >=20 > I have performed live many times, but have never looped in front of a = live audience. >=20 > Peter Koniuto >=20 > On Aug 11, 2012, at 2:22 PM, Tyler wrote: >=20 >> Hello! Are any of you guys members of this mailing list because you = loop in the studio? Anyone never=20 >> livelooped? After all, this site is about looping, including = livelooping; not just livelooping, even=20 >> though there is an abundance of livelooping. It is okay to talk about = pop music with a lot of repeated=20 >> samples; we just need to tell a lot of indie studio loopers about the = list, and we can make the list more=20 >> like how it is described on the website; looping of all kinds. >> Tyler Z >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 21:00:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D52C18345D; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 21:00:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1057 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 21:00:48 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=U5bEB/BeNU/0lajRcA66iKxyPp1JLLEq09T6KTjQdmEZxnPS/sDFBV7RmiZazoI0; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Organization:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <5026C3AA.2000209@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:42:18 -0700 From: JC Reply-To: jcmg@earthlink.net Organization: JC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110902 Thunderbird/6.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tyler , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Anyone here never livelooped? References: <20120811182235.23826.81313.levelstar.mail@everest> In-Reply-To: <20120811182235.23826.81313.levelstar.mail@everest> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 250e53821a8c36f54d2b10475b571120fd94175ef7f05a12871e979f7a90b27dbc76dd5c2e801245350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.181.231.116 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 21:00:49 +0000 (UTC) I do some live looping but it's not the main thing I do. I work with preset and created loops for composing and improvising. My music often is a combination of all of these approaches along with straightforward instrument playing and some programming, etc. I don't usually post my music to the list because most of it doesn't feature live looping as a main prominent feature but I enjoy reading the discussions (both "on topic" and "off topic") and I learn a lot from them. JC Mendizabal Black Note Music http://www.blacknotemusic.com Via Sinistrae www.viasinistrae.com http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/ Other Sites http://rfcl.tumblr.com/ http://maddogmagick.blogspot.com/ http://secretsareeverywhere.blogspot.com/ On 8/11/2012 11:22 AM, Tyler wrote: > Hello! Are any of you guys members of this mailing list because you loop in the studio? Anyone never > livelooped? After all, this site is about looping, including livelooping; not just livelooping, even > though there is an abundance of livelooping. It is okay to talk about pop music with a lot of repeated > samples; we just need to tell a lot of indie studio loopers about the list, and we can make the list more > like how it is described on the website; looping of all kinds. > Tyler Z > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 21:23:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FAC518345B; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 21:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0656536213==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120811212328.25013.36743.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:23:29 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Anyone never done real-time looping? Resent-Message-ID: <61rHLB.A.CNF.L1sJQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 21:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0656536213== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello!=20I=20asked=20this=20question=20before,=20but=20some=20people=20sugg= ested=20that=20I=20re-word=20it.=20Is=20there=20anyone=20on=20this=20mailin= g=20 list=20that=20signed=20up=20because=20they=20do=20looping=20with=20audio=20= editing=20software=20for=20a=20recording,=20but=20never=20real-time=20 looping?=20The=20vast=20majority=20of=20members=20are=20realtimers,=20but= =20does=20anyone=20do=20cut-and-paste=20looping=20only? Tyler=20Z --===============0656536213==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 21:28:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9419718345D; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 21:28:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=r8CkCup+9mwjq34dK5POSISfqRpCWeEVkn/1pk0up2c=; b=XS4YJo4kS8ONGJvyGOLEJEVjbuQazYvG0RqG+IFdpY40/tB6bjvqZsovQJDSGF6AzZ DDm7iEOKXhIkeEnfo9A5mkgf70G7Za6Tk2vTsaqVNtX3kYiaq/WZXfpuPiZyGANIqn+Y ybGjPUPorKc4yYh/RwAqN3H2B8xTL2EpN1dpv7+togCpSR8fodtaNf8ls7GrsZBkO1qB Z2DyUjvZDanYYy2ArTgCToVlqynPtZgYKapiSEuUQUA/GhYAq692gZKVUJrrZ4M5M8f4 ZRu8v9jhi2ypqcxNSifBJn25e03YkFd58/8PeuWZu6bTfwsnnyvhFNb5ruPbSMDcO2+2 CNUw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <48CEB517-AED4-417C-B84A-4150E74A72D4@redsunsoundroom.com> References: <20120811182235.23826.81313.levelstar.mail@everest> <48CEB517-AED4-417C-B84A-4150E74A72D4@redsunsoundroom.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 14:28:35 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Anyone here never livelooped? From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04426d22a6782d04c704249e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 21:28:36 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04426d22a6782d04c704249e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Tyler, The looping you're talking about is so commonplace that a discussion list about it would be like having a discussion list about copy/paste. (Actually, it would be exactly like that, because copy/paste is one of the ways you get loops in the studio.) Here's a list of the loops I could hear in "Toxic" by Britney spears. 1) The first 1.6 seconds of electronic bass drum and snare drum 2) The first 3.3 seconds of string samples (the riff of the song) 3) The acoustic guitar is looped, but parts of the loop are muted in the beginning of the song. You hear the entire loop from 0:27 to 0:40. 4) Same with the synthesized bass line - you hear the entire loop from 0:27 to 0:40 5) The entire chorus from 0:57 to 1:24 is probably looped. I bet each time you hear the chorus, you're hearing it copy/pasted from this first time. 6) In fact, at 2:51, you hear the seam of the loop, but they had to overlap Britney's vocal performance, so you hear her singing "toxic" and "with a taste" at the same time. Now, the chorus loop isn't like they take one big chunk and copy/paste it. You're probably hearing about 8 tracks of instruments and even more tracks of vocals. Typically, new instrumental loops are to choruses that are further on in the song. Not so much in this song - there's just a new synthesizer line in the last chorus. In order to make the loops sound less repetitive, the producers often drop out most of the tracks (this is called a "drop out", and is really common in hip-hop), and replace them briefly with other synths or heavily processed versions of the other loops. I like the part at 2:37 where they run her voice through multiple vocoders before fading in the chorus loop again. Looping isn't the challenge here - it's trying to get the song to sound like it's not looped! Frankly, I think it's a well-produced song. The guys who wrote and produced the music went and formed their own band later, called Miike Snow ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLHjKgQt39s). Unfortunately, most pop stars like Britney Spears have very little to do with the music they're associated with. They are pretty people with slightly better than average singing ability. Usually the songs are written and produced by other people. There are even vocal coaches to tell the singers when to sigh and how to emote when singing. This song was completely written and produced before Britney Spears came into the picture - it was offered to Kylie Minogue first. I'm certain there must be some discussion groups on the internet about how to use DAWs (digital audio workstations) to create pop songs. I imagine most of the folks on those lists probably discuss EQing, mastering, plugins and stuff like that. Looping is one of the first things you learn. For folks who aren't familiar with the song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOZuxwVk7TU And for those who are: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwFXy_yl4hE -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com Tyler was like: > > > Hello! Are any of you guys members of this mailing list because you loop > in the studio? Anyone never > > livelooped? After all, this site is about looping, including > livelooping; not just livelooping, even > > though there is an abundance of livelooping. It is okay to talk about > pop music with a lot of repeated > > samples; we just need to tell a lot of indie studio loopers about the > list, and we can make the list more > > like how it is described on the website; looping of all kinds. > > Tyler Z > > > > --f46d04426d22a6782d04c704249e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tyler,

The looping you're talking about is so commonplace th= at a discussion list about it would be like having a discussion list about = copy/paste. (Actually, it would be exactly like that, because copy/paste is= one of the ways you get loops in the studio.)=A0

Here's a list of the loops I could hear in "Toxic" by Bri= tney spears.
1) The first 1.6 seconds of electronic bass drum and snare= drum
2) The first 3.3 seconds of string samples (the riff of the song)<= br> 3) The acoustic guitar is looped, but parts of the loop are muted in the be= ginning of the song. You hear the entire loop from 0:27 to 0:40.
4) Same= with the synthesized bass line - you hear the entire loop from 0:27 to 0:4= 0
5) The entire chorus from 0:57 to 1:24 is probably looped. I bet each time = you hear the chorus, you're hearing it copy/pasted from this first time= .
6) In fact, at 2:51, you hear the seam of the loop, but they had to ov= erlap Britney's vocal performance, so you hear her singing "toxic&= quot; and "with a taste" at the same time.

Now, the chorus loop isn't like they take one big chunk and copy/pa= ste it. You're probably hearing about 8 tracks of instruments and even = more tracks of vocals. Typically, new instrumental loops are to choruses th= at are further on in the song. Not so much in this song - there's just = a new synthesizer line in the last chorus.

In order to make the loops sound less repetitive, the producers often d= rop out most of the tracks (this is called a "drop out", and is r= eally common in hip-hop), and replace them briefly with other synths or hea= vily processed versions of the other loops. I like the part at 2:37 where t= hey run her voice through multiple vocoders before fading in the chorus loo= p again. Looping isn't the challenge here - it's trying to get the = song to sound like it's not looped!

Frankly, I think it's a well-produced song. The guys who wrote and = produced the music went and formed their own band later, called Miike Snow = (http://www.youtub= e.com/watch?v=3DdLHjKgQt39s).

Unfortunately, most pop stars like Britney Spears have very little to d= o with the music they're associated with. They are pretty people with s= lightly better than average singing ability. Usually the songs are written = and produced by other people. There are even vocal coaches to tell the sing= ers when to sigh and how to emote when singing.
This song was completely written and produced before Britney Spears came in= to the picture - it was offered to Kylie Minogue first.

I'm cer= tain there must be some discussion groups on the internet about how to use = DAWs (digital audio workstations) to create pop songs. I imagine most of th= e folks on those lists probably discuss EQing, mastering, plugins and stuff= like that. Looping is one of the first things you learn.

For folks who aren't familiar with the song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DLOZ= uxwVk7TU

And for those who are:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DPwFXy_yl4hE



--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com<= br>Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com

Tyler <programmer651@co= mcast.net> was like:

> Hello! Are any of you guys members of this mailing list because you lo= op in the studio? Anyone never
> livelooped? After all, this site is about looping, including liveloopi= ng; not just livelooping, even
> though there is an abundance of livelooping. It is okay to talk about = pop music with a lot of repeated
> samples; we just need to tell a lot of indie studio loopers about the = list, and we can make the list more
> like how it is described on the website; looping of all kinds.
> Tyler Z
>



--f46d04426d22a6782d04c704249e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 21:36:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6512D18345E; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 21:36:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1199572837==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120811213623.25436.81313.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:36:24 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: Anyone here never livelooped? Resent-Message-ID: <1n9atC.A.chF.RBtJQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 21:36:17 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============1199572837== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable See?=20What=20you=20just=20said=20was=20really=20cool!=20More=20people=20sh= ould=20talk=20about=20various=20loops=20in=20songs.=20Read=20the=20 loopers-delight.com=20home=20page;=20the=20intro=20doesn't=20say=20"live=20= looping"=20or=20"realtime=20 looping,"=20it=20says=20looping.=20And=20there=20is=20electronic=20music=20= without=20looping;=20music=20played=20on=20a=20 keyboard=20without=20techno=20beats=20turned=20on;=20techno=20beats=20are= =20loops.=20So=20that=20kind=20of=20electronic=20 music=20would=20not=20be=20okay,=20the=20kind=20with=20technoloop=20beats= =20would=20be,=20on=20this=20list.=20I=20have=20this=20"thing"=20for=20loop= s.=20 Whenever=20I=20hear=20a=20repeated=20(looped)=20sample,=20whether=20realtim= e=20or=20studio,=20I=20am=20amused!=20I=20have=20this=20 "loop=20craze,"=20and=20I=20know=20someone=20who=20is=20also=20like=20this.= =20I=20wanted=20to=20join=20a=20group=20of=20other=20people=20who=20are=20l= ike=20 that,=20so=20I=20joined=20this=20here=20Looper's=20Delight. Tyler=20Z On=20Sat,=2011=20Aug=202012=2014:28:35=20-0700,=20Matt=20Davignon=20wrote: >Hi=20Tyler,=20 >The=20looping=20you're=20talking=20about=20is=20so=20commonplace=20that=20= a=20discussion=20list=20about=20 >it=20would=20be=20like=20having=20a=20discussion=20list=20about=20copy/pas= te.=20(Actually,=20it=20would=20 >be=20exactly=20like=20that,=20because=20copy/paste=20is=20one=20of=20the= =20ways=20you=20get=20loops=20in=20 >the=20studio.)=20 >Here's=20a=20list=20of=20the=20loops=20I=20could=20hear=20in=20"Toxic"=20b= y=20Britney=20spears.=20 >1)=20The=20first=201.6=20seconds=20of=20electronic=20bass=20drum=20and=20s= nare=20drum >2)=20The=20first=203.3=20seconds=20of=20string=20samples=20(the=20riff=20o= f=20the=20song) >3)=20The=20acoustic=20guitar=20is=20looped,=20but=20parts=20of=20the=20loo= p=20are=20muted=20in=20the=20 >beginning=20of=20the=20song.=20You=20hear=20the=20entire=20loop=20from=200= :27=20to=200:40. >4)=20Same=20with=20the=20synthesized=20bass=20line=20-=20you=20hear=20the= =20entire=20loop=20from=200:27=20to=20 >0:40 >5)=20The=20entire=20chorus=20from=200:57=20to=201:24=20is=20probably=20loo= ped.=20I=20bet=20each=20time=20you=20 >hear=20the=20chorus,=20you're=20hearing=20it=20copy/pasted=20from=20this= =20first=20time. >6)=20In=20fact,=20at=202:51,=20you=20hear=20the=20seam=20of=20the=20loop,= =20but=20they=20had=20to=20overlap=20 >Britney's=20vocal=20performance,=20so=20you=20hear=20her=20singing=20"toxi= c"=20and=20"with=20a=20taste"=20 >at=20the=20same=20time.=20 >Now,=20the=20chorus=20loop=20isn't=20like=20they=20take=20one=20big=20chun= k=20and=20copy/paste=20it.=20 >You're=20probably=20hearing=20about=208=20tracks=20of=20instruments=20and= =20even=20more=20tracks=20of=20 >vocals.=20Typically,=20new=20instrumental=20loops=20are=20to=20choruses=20= that=20are=20further=20on=20 >in=20the=20song.=20Not=20so=20much=20in=20this=20song=20-=20there's=20just= =20a=20new=20synthesizer=20line=20in=20 >the=20last=20chorus.=20 >In=20order=20to=20make=20the=20loops=20sound=20less=20repetitive,=20the=20= producers=20often=20drop=20out=20 >most=20of=20the=20tracks=20(this=20is=20called=20a=20"drop=20out",=20and= =20is=20really=20common=20in=20 >hip-hop),=20and=20replace=20them=20briefly=20with=20other=20synths=20or=20= heavily=20processed=20 >versions=20of=20the=20other=20loops.=20I=20like=20the=20part=20at=202:37= =20where=20they=20run=20her=20voice=20 >through=20multiple=20vocoders=20before=20fading=20in=20the=20chorus=20loop= =20again.=20Looping=20isn't=20 >the=20challenge=20here=20-=20it's=20trying=20to=20get=20the=20song=20to=20= sound=20like=20it's=20not=20looped! >Frankly,=20I=20think=20it's=20a=20well-produced=20song.=20The=20guys=20who= =20wrote=20and=20produced=20the=20 >music=20went=20and=20formed=20their=20own=20band=20later,=20called=20Miike= =20Snow=20 >(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DdLHjKgQt39s).=20 >Unfortunately,=20most=20pop=20stars=20like=20Britney=20Spears=20have=20ver= y=20little=20to=20do=20with=20 >the=20music=20they're=20associated=20with.=20They=20are=20pretty=20people= =20with=20slightly=20better=20 >than=20average=20singing=20ability.=20Usually=20the=20songs=20are=20writte= n=20and=20produced=20by=20 >other=20people.=20There=20are=20even=20vocal=20coaches=20to=20tell=20the= =20singers=20when=20to=20sigh=20and=20 >how=20to=20emote=20when=20singing.=20 >This=20song=20was=20completely=20written=20and=20produced=20before=20Britn= ey=20Spears=20came=20into=20 >the=20picture=20-=20it=20was=20offered=20to=20Kylie=20Minogue=20first.=20 >I'm=20certain=20there=20must=20be=20some=20discussion=20groups=20on=20the= =20internet=20about=20how=20to=20 >use=20DAWs=20(digital=20audio=20workstations)=20to=20create=20pop=20songs.= =20I=20imagine=20most=20of=20 >the=20folks=20on=20those=20lists=20probably=20discuss=20EQing,=20mastering= ,=20plugins=20and=20stuff=20 >like=20that.=20Looping=20is=20one=20of=20the=20first=20things=20you=20lear= n.=20 >For=20folks=20who=20aren't=20familiar=20with=20the=20song:=20 >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DLOZuxwVk7TU >And=20for=20those=20who=20are:=20 >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DPwFXy_yl4hE >--=20 >Matt=20Davignon >mattdavignon@gmail.com >www.ribosomemusic.com >Podcast!=20http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com >Tyler=20=20was=20like: >>Hello!=20Are=20any=20of=20you=20guys=20members=20of=20this=20mailing=20li= st=20because=20you=20loop=20in=20the=20 >>studio?=20Anyone=20never >>livelooped?=20After=20all,=20this=20site=20is=20about=20looping,=20includ= ing=20livelooping;=20not=20 >>just=20livelooping,=20even >>though=20there=20is=20an=20abundance=20of=20livelooping.=20It=20is=20okay= =20to=20talk=20about=20pop=20music=20 >>with=20a=20lot=20of=20repeated >>samples;=20we=20just=20need=20to=20tell=20a=20lot=20of=20indie=20studio= =20loopers=20about=20the=20list,=20and=20 >>we=20can=20make=20the=20list=20more >>like=20how=20it=20is=20described=20on=20the=20website;=20looping=20of=20a= ll=20kinds. >>Tyler=20Z --===============1199572837==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 22:12:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6956318345B; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 22:12:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <20120811213623.25436.81313.levelstar.mail@everest> In-Reply-To: <20120811213623.25436.81313.levelstar.mail@everest> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <23A74C8C-17A1-4414-AAA4-8DEE6B7F8F21@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Anyone here never livelooped? Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:12:26 -0500 To: Tyler X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - slmp-550-64.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 22:12:32 +0000 (UTC) Why should people talk about various loops in songs? It doesn't matter = what the web site says, people talk about what they're interested in talking about, and apparently not many = people here are interested in talking about cut and paste looping. You = can't change what people want to talk about. But you can try getting = new members that share your interests to join.=20 On Aug 11, 2012, at 4:36 PM, Tyler wrote: > See? What you just said was really cool! More people should talk about = various loops in songs. Read the=20 > loopers-delight.com home page; the intro doesn't say "live looping" or = "realtime=20 > looping," it says looping. And there is electronic music without = looping; music played on a=20 > keyboard without techno beats turned on; techno beats are loops. So = that kind of electronic=20 > music would not be okay, the kind with technoloop beats would be, on = this list. I have this "thing" for loops.=20 > Whenever I hear a repeated (looped) sample, whether realtime or = studio, I am amused! I have this=20 > "loop craze," and I know someone who is also like this. I wanted to = join a group of other people who are like=20 > that, so I joined this here Looper's Delight. > Tyler Z From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 22:52:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5D78183455; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 22:52:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 374955.43643.bm@omp1059.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1344725541; bh=jULuIDUm6n8vj6qWE16nvmrFKYJZMB+w5ykRNBdP7e8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UTF3ILuGDGrdBjZ9iq+tvx985ROGQEktuX2SnUCd2W/E99Se6YgsTM9oDQyQEnxXKHqfMWzj0VOemHIk3+W0LOf2FT/xKc8ejrPOG+FBAmVCBzUJchVcsjzPZSoIBjJ9dNyw4dPPaCzaod6rb0kb9GnXRiD8/2gCGkJV3l8llZs= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4L+OKIFUzPVy3gfj5PGT2jserZfgoqHfZTB+jB6zGYBuO6vXQ6l7ordC/2l9cK221bCBJ2ZO4tZqW8hOnqXqolNP3MPbsAmdYf3UgptGTUKqZCux8h2ykO4Ut/N6I6KhRov3cpL1tmZDFZbqXisosZkDrb8FaEQgPgiJNrC+BAE=; X-YMail-OSG: _vA5lzYVM1mBHKs7UMCqy5_94oQmt.AVVy7q4ourvP7JOXV 5l2TvMlCLyfZ7f5zGYTFqp2JypCfeuSfivHHQYpC0VC6JlvuFK_4MSvKdEzB SYiayGdFJENWLa_J_o.M0EIX6qGk00kIn4ul9Gknu3jtDknaunhNPL3xgNWF TE84Ud7uF2fBCqLcKob2NKiPbsCiQ0BvfjND9SppBG0SgDy1ZKkRWQLPxefH r_LQkexIsOYuICfUMcZD1KN.lS5fe95V8x6mSdAYNoX3qRPVhIPp3H8tdrJE _q.yq4MNSdyi3YN.GGmutH8ygymr4n37J8L_VAOGbKCqrRMrgADPfmPeXh4S BWEGHkchXb0zOPpWNJ3T4h8ruKsNyRPuM1kwCTw8d1q.oBG2jZ39_0vwCJtA jgMlV2lk0vXQ0lK_BoHGKsbpCHDF0Xzs3Vz6n6InhZIzg3RmS56NImUHnvRg 9nNv9NmbttYS_aDVHUZKo1i7QFOfejunDyEO2yQBiwaXyyK0.451kVbjB9pg 04e.poipORx.XWKMk3dZP0MLnWuSg2qchQHPESQdRWRREMMMKwEJKoS6bNo4 - X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: <20120811213623.25436.81313.levelstar.mail@everest> <23A74C8C-17A1-4414-AAA4-8DEE6B7F8F21@zonemobius.com> Message-ID: <1344725541.20602.YahooMailNeo@web121004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:52:21 -0700 (PDT) From: tim echols Reply-To: tim echols Subject: Re: Anyone here never livelooped? To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <23A74C8C-17A1-4414-AAA4-8DEE6B7F8F21@zonemobius.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1562933420-80101865-1344725541=:20602" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 22:52:22 +0000 (UTC) ---1562933420-80101865-1344725541=:20602 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i have livelooped, but only in the privacy of my own practice space.=A0 did= the tree fall in the forest and was not heard?=A0 i live in an isolated ar= ea, and intended to use the looper to back myself up, being a multi-instrum= entalist.=A0 i have an m-brace guitar holder that mounts to a mic stand and= holds my bass beside me, scrunci pulled down over the strings to minimize = sympathetic feedback, acoustic guitar strapped on and now a lap steel besid= e me, but i have never gotten a set together sufficiently to warrant taking= it public.=A0 i have found people i am working material up with now as wel= l, so i have not worked toward streamlining my looping so that the songs ar= e of a manageable length (i.e., NOT a ten or fifteen minute long version of= "nothing compares to you" or the country version of "crazy for you").=A0 i= use loops all the time in my electronic compositions, of the "cut-and-past= e" variety.=A0 but my question is this--=A0 is it considered livelooping if there is no audience?=A0 is the fear of making a public mistake a driving = impetus behind the drive to loop?=A0 i just can't work out a set that flows= and doesn't hang on one vibe for too long.=A0 maybe i am expecting too muc= h to apply looping to the public performances of "songs," which usually hav= e vocals and a pop sensibility on performance length, as opposed to "pieces= ," because "mr. green genes" works great with the lapsteel/ acoustic/ bass = combo as an instrumental piece, but would fall apart were i to try to do a = tight verse-chorus pop construction (in MY hands--=A0 howie day can do an a= wesome solo looping version of "collide" that i could never pull off) with = lyrics.=A0 plus, the lyrics are far too silly for the regal theme.=A0 "peac= hes en regalia' is more difficult, but you can stretch out with it, so it w= orks.=A0 has anyone else ever experienced this problem, of not being able t= o tighten certain songs up enough to feel comfortable performing publicly? am i just a perfectionist?=0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A= From: Jeff Larson =0ATo: Tyler =0ACc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Saturday, August = 11, 2012 4:12 PM=0ASubject: Re: Anyone here never livelooped?=0A =0AWhy sh= ould people talk about various loops in songs?=A0 It doesn't matter what th= e web site says, people talk=0Aabout what they're interested in talking abo= ut, and apparently not many people here are interested in talking about cut= and paste looping.=A0 You can't change what people want to talk about.=A0 = But you can try getting new members that share your interests to join. =0A= =0A=0AOn Aug 11, 2012, at 4:36 PM, Tyler wrote:=0A=0A> See? What you just s= aid was really cool! More people should talk about various loops in songs. = Read the =0A> loopers-delight.com home page; the intro doesn't say "live lo= oping" or "realtime =0A> looping," it says looping. And there is electronic= music without looping; music played on a =0A> keyboard without techno beat= s turned on; techno beats are loops. So that kind of electronic =0A> music = would not be okay, the kind with technoloop beats would be, on this list. I= have this "thing" for loops. =0A> Whenever I hear a repeated (looped) samp= le, whether realtime or studio, I am amused! I have this =0A> "loop craze,"= and I know someone who is also like this. I wanted to join a group of othe= r people who are like =0A> that, so I joined this here Looper's Delight.=0A= > Tyler Z ---1562933420-80101865-1344725541=:20602 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i have livelooped,= but only in the privacy of my own practice space.  did the tree fall = in the forest and was not heard?  i live in an isolated area, and inte= nded to use the looper to back myself up, being a multi-instrumentalist.&nb= sp; i have an m-brace guitar holder that mounts to a mic stand and holds my= bass beside me, scrunci pulled down over the strings to minimize sympathet= ic feedback, acoustic guitar strapped on and now a lap steel beside me, but= i have never gotten a set together sufficiently to warrant taking it publi= c.  i have found people i am working material up with now as well, so = i have not worked toward streamlining my looping so that the songs are of a= manageable length (i.e., NOT a ten or fifteen minute long version of "noth= ing compares to you" or the country version of "crazy for you").  i use loops all the time in my electronic compositions, of the "cut-and-pa= ste" variety.  but my question is this--  is it considered livelo= oping if there is no audience?  is the fear of making a public mistake= a driving impetus behind the drive to loop?  i just can't work out a = set that flows and doesn't hang on one vibe for too long.  maybe i am = expecting too much to apply looping to the public performances of "songs," = which usually have vocals and a pop sensibility on performance length, as o= pposed to "pieces," because "mr. green genes" works great with the lapsteel= / acoustic/ bass combo as an instrumental piece, but would fall apart were = i to try to do a tight verse-chorus pop construction (in MY hands--  h= owie day can do an awesome solo looping version of "collide" that i could n= ever pull off) with lyrics.  plus, the lyrics are far too silly for th= e regal theme.  "peaches en regalia' is more difficult, but you can stretch out with it, so it works.  has anyone else ever experienc= ed this problem, of not being able to tighten certain songs up enough to fe= el comfortable performing publicly? am i just a perfectionist?
=

From: Jeff Larson <jeff@zonemobius.co= m>
To: Tyler <pr= ogrammer651@comcast.net>
Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: Anyone here never liveloo= ped?

=0AWhy should people talk about various loops i= n songs?  It doesn't matter what the web site says, people talk
abo= ut what they're interested in talking about, and apparently not many people= here are interested in talking about cut and paste looping.  You can'= t change what people want to talk about.  But you can try getting new = members that share your interests to join.


On Aug 11, 2012, at = 4:36 PM, Tyler wrote:

> See? What you just said was really cool! = More people should talk about various loops in songs. Read the
> loopers-delight.com<= /a> home page; the intro doesn't say "live looping" or "realtime
> l= ooping," it says looping. And there is electronic music without looping; mu= sic played on a
> keyboard without techno beats turned on; techno be= ats are loops. So that kind of electronic
> music would not be okay,= the kind with technoloop beats would be, on this list. I have this "thing" for loops.
> When= ever I hear a repeated (looped) sample, whether realtime or studio, I am am= used! I have this
> "loop craze," and I know someone who is also lik= e this. I wanted to join a group of other people who are like
> that= , so I joined this here Looper's Delight.
> Tyler Z



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Hi, Im wondering if any of you guys know of other mailing lists like this one. Im looking especially for some based on electronic music. Any links?

--f46d044481d768428c04c7098ffa-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 12 04:20:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB6DA183460; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 04:20:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1199572837==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120812042031.1194.81313.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 00:20:33 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: What are some other mailing lists to join? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 04:20:25 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============1199572837== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well,=20there's=20The=20Electronic=20Music=20List.=20To=20subscribe,=20the= =20address=20is=20 electronicmusic-subscribe=20at=20yahoogroups.com.=20To=20leave,=20just=20re= place=20the=20 subscribe=20part=20with=20unsubscribe.=20The=20email=20you=20send=20to=20th= e=20subscribe=20system=20should=20be=20blank.=20Just=20out=20 of=20curiosity,=20why=20do=20you=20want=20another=20electronic-music=20list= =20besides=20Looper's=20Delight? Tyler=20Z On=20Sat,=2011=20Aug=202012=2020:56:21=20-0700,=20kay'lon=20rushing=20wrote: >Hi,=20Im=20wondering=20if=20any=20of=20you=20guys=20know=20of=20other=20ma= iling=20lists=20like=20this=20one.=20 >Im=20looking=20especially=20for=20some=20based=20on=20electronic=20music.= =20Any=20links? --===============1199572837==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 12 05:44:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6E9E18345D; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 05:44:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2554 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 05:44:07 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20120812042031.1194.81313.levelstar.mail@everest> References: <20120812042031.1194.81313.levelstar.mail@everest> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2220E815-2DFA-4284-8AA4-17B450005ACF@ubergadget.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Revfever Subject: Re: What are some other mailing lists to join? (Electronic Music) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 22:01:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host5.webserveralpha.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ubergadget.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 05:44:08 +0000 (UTC) For analogue EM, this list has been around for years. I think it is still active. Lots' of great info. http://machines.hyperreal.org/Analogue-Heaven/ Cheers- Rev.Fever Portlandia http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult On Aug 11, 2012, at 9:20 PM, Tyler wrote: > Well, there's The Electronic Music List. To subscribe, the address is > electronicmusic-subscribe at yahoogroups.com. To leave, just > replace the > subscribe part with unsubscribe. The email you send to the > subscribe system should be blank. Just out > of curiosity, why do you want another electronic-music list besides > Looper's Delight? > Tyler Z > On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:56:21 -0700, kay'lon rushing wrote: > > > >> Hi, Im wondering if any of you guys know of other mailing lists >> like this one. >> Im looking especially for some based on electronic music. Any links? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 12 11:45:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77DBF18345C; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 11:45:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=45OIB0S2sC1pih/ri69CYun0VpsdFxqUC5jfw7MWLoM=; b=iBcEgPGPPsKKZ6h5pWA8/OYCjejpAciYfRl3drRDNmvRm8E873kWUHfQrZju5mY7Oi 2/bVH+khAdg61QTfKQHp3jqVFjvVuQrhiFA0Y66dxpjvx6fKEEhVXNJI9XL/NlcctEde xLej5G/6qLsnfUh3pOTeYGPl+LwXUEIO2R45CWgb+idJ/hDyAR37Zw55pjPw1bFfAJ7f BsW9d9gtH/fLEeTOhWvohhCWVlZONFzj82BL3bpzjo9AZf1ll6kyLBXP74hgaPCQnLDY Xua16Gn4pWzpKA4jtYmB2zZnhlNFa9Vv/dvDFuEteYGjT2APgpzx1FUz47EbTQ5oVET8 zgdw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 13:45:25 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Power jack system all over the world - UK: G vs F type 230 v systems. From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 11:45:26 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I'm about to enter type G UK with type F gear. How do I avoid to burn in hell? Anyone care to share some experience with plug converters? Specification images: http://electricaloutlet.org/type-f http://electricaloutlet.org/type-g I'm imagining one can buy an adapter in a British store? I mean, type F jack plugs is a bit like driving the car on the left side and lots of people go to Britain worm type G areas so there must be some simple solution available? As long as the voltage are the same there shouldn't be any issues. I read somewhere UK type F jacks has some sort of built-in fuser so when coming from a type G territory with type G modified gear you actually get the double safety - first the UK fuse in the plug and then the fuses inside your gear. Or am I misunderstanding this completely? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 12 11:55:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC6F418345E; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 11:55:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=GN86ZM7ZpGeUTvO2caXIRacURK8EH/UkrPsNlIQ5Cno=; b=RpIU3iBgQLLN8TC8ogxaXOW0Ew1VIJd1GYw9eX7CiVfjx5T34F4BVxL+sKH1HlEcRL xE8qUbFtgmM6bLRLZzj5kDxnileeqO/5CBkpiCaC9T5CtdwNPzKiOcpVXYCD7xCpWH4z dvf+LuA+2QhJLNfSZvOTTcIrgXn/JFHJ8dfLmBoxGjzxLCf/takRq5oAvJkLOe1q27cI rv42QzZfyWmZbkBu1waxLJnCmrTqEMPBquGh5z5ZxK+eoji2ABb31Qk4BY8gAC4hf8UV pYBuM/Jfn6dE2sZccrn6tVjvt68UbPEDeL3pKcg7Cl5M1FpkLiMnWcuchO2LkNugprGn 2tEA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 13:55:55 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Power jack system all over the world - UK: G vs F type 230 v systems. From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 11:55:55 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Or am I > misunderstanding this completely? Oops. I did actually by mistake exchange F and G through the most part of the text, so in order to understand what I tried to explain you need to read F where it spells G and G where it spells F. But not all through - the very first sentence was correct. You see - this is not as easy as it might seem... Per ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 12 12:21:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D027E18345E; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 12:21:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=dnqPiJ6NbB5Za2jp2qirTvhALBBgtWA6rRaw3Qbproc=; b=tpO5ujlFNBXCBE2hQPK5SJzUTIMdfvIM0/UxSWWbbuLFR4qPA14O3UoXJlawriuxSn BcBgYeSMhjhilsv9/qFZ9ARhjskGHVAFd2BGwnodHJgE5ff7Z6u7sh9bJjBqeAfv/nyZ 7sYWnoTnjv6ZtAXeRcT0WWA7vnFUA7bP8BWFcgmDUj7J4bb+LcoZ+TQ8bTYz+Eicuc8U GdxUuMemCxtj9NOit5RT10Ff518pM+9q/hH7rUjvqsexNi6O+88wlyDliTF3N+w474zK k2T8o/UzeQdUzXwjHwajF7xB1MxBVx+inmzcBLMVr8CSrQtr2qE6DiOqss8azUdpez4Z hymQ== Subject: Re: Power jack system all over the world - UK: G vs F type 230 v systems. References: From: Simeon Harris Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (8C148) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <670D1FD0-2235-47ED-A6A8-E0199B47C882@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 13:23:45 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 8C148) Resent-Message-ID: <4661sC.A.9OD.G_5JQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 12:21:26 +0000 (UTC) If you're normally on 230v it shouldn't be a problem. Just buy a plug adapto= r on eBay.=20 Sent from my iPod On 12 Aug 2012, at 12:55, Per Boysen wrote: > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> Or am I >> misunderstanding this completely? >=20 >=20 > Oops. I did actually by mistake exchange F and G through the most part > of the text, so in order to understand what I tried to explain you > need to read F where it spells G and G where it spells F. But not all > through - the very first sentence was correct. You see - this is not > as easy as it might seem... >=20 > Per ;-) >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 12 13:28:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57C1218345E; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 13:28:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=KI0bnhnIMlSB8Is+rEN1G9IFXVogH5wW5rSnp7jTI68=; b=v6EfDae7wU+x5LNhOWoY7wme9MUEe8wbJ/0rijd1WuEDWE4LLtx+Jy3/qqWCfobnDZ m5IbfSBbcsYj6CRe1wyBwb3xOfEOIgUK9tuXmhbMQwZq7HDVI//kqKQzI3M4Vn1A+7P6 cFhSJ2cmbDWU8u6dopZwA2YKnKFmUawGNY9h4seQ4xVq6L4nDYJ3Csmv2e+MaQ4NBECF 9c5E9sL2alTaTxXJH1E9sn1+h994f2rFKjGO1V47yoez7dKW/5fwtYXEHlC80LzOMwKc 6eq1RLXFxHD4OspTxkgpfYnRx0Z0hMrZ16U5s4XLFBWPblES7bFeBGuk11E2JCz8HuqK qn7A== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <670D1FD0-2235-47ED-A6A8-E0199B47C882@googlemail.com> References: <670D1FD0-2235-47ED-A6A8-E0199B47C882@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 15:28:17 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Power jack system all over the world - UK: G vs F type 230 v systems. From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 13:28:18 +0000 (UTC) Thank you, Sim. I found it. It is called "13A Euro Plug Converter Earthed Euro Plug to UK Plug". But I will try to buy elsewhere since it seems you can't pay by PayPal at eBay, as I was thinking. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: > If you're normally on 230v it shouldn't be a problem. Just buy a plug adaptor on eBay. > > Sent from my iPod > > On 12 Aug 2012, at 12:55, Per Boysen wrote: > >> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >>> Or am I >>> misunderstanding this completely? >> >> >> Oops. I did actually by mistake exchange F and G through the most part >> of the text, so in order to understand what I tried to explain you >> need to read F where it spells G and G where it spells F. But not all >> through - the very first sentence was correct. You see - this is not >> as easy as it might seem... >> >> Per ;-) >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 12 13:53:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE0D918345B; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 13:53:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=xtxkpkBZxnBXFTyePemqR7bZF1Q1b0E0bTDLSsPlYRg=; b=slC0JgUyltP6QWKADW/XQjJepUMd+6A5iXLPGCZmPNPadC+Pk5Gfy2Y0CclxOLxIX5 77w1CkNXUNGBXxRsTYUhb3IaZZ8WzkqJGmTKS8jdueoiNHJEqfEaHJqN1nPP2dp+E7sE MXOoPhiTF8Sps8WJHxoOig1cBfpSSqFAo8fFLblNoArJ0uL0BqbdgZTggigDXC0ea6sF sCFz2H2kags78YhWkeV3GAIuMgQBoL3tUa8+kXQdvMe8qqz3+EDwKicTWsM6pMeIxmyU Je+96d+i/KeLOjf+PY0nSjhsxK/wd2PLNyXiajUC/7wO8hsbBkoNv1eAJllRRElwkY2T fz9g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <670D1FD0-2235-47ED-A6A8-E0199B47C882@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 14:53:33 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Power jack system all over the world - UK: G vs F type 230 v systems. From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 13:53:34 +0000 (UTC) i use paypal on ebay all the time... ?? maybe it's just that particular seller...? On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Thank you, Sim. I found it. It is called "13A Euro Plug Converter > Earthed Euro Plug to UK Plug". But I will try to buy elsewhere since > it seems you can't pay by PayPal at eBay, as I was thinking. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Simeon Harris > wrote: >> If you're normally on 230v it shouldn't be a problem. Just buy a plug adaptor on eBay. >> >> Sent from my iPod >> >> On 12 Aug 2012, at 12:55, Per Boysen wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >>>> Or am I >>>> misunderstanding this completely? >>> >>> >>> Oops. I did actually by mistake exchange F and G through the most part >>> of the text, so in order to understand what I tried to explain you >>> need to read F where it spells G and G where it spells F. But not all >>> through - the very first sentence was correct. You see - this is not >>> as easy as it might seem... >>> >>> Per ;-) >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 12 13:55:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2467E18345C; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 13:55:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=L1BGcF3IQ+kaYxuhhU1t77yvqGbQiBOyh7FJsTnT7tw=; b=g65vR+4ivjXVy2BL50TRlgXjzJzLk1XjTf19xIuFEpZRfLfg8rUm9ap9OCldx3YDit PV/H27501i/m4kdP8bgcA68iRQPLMb8EAcW2cobvef2cA7MrK4tjd4qG46m5ZoTEsD9J iBGLkyAuct7QTCQ4lg5QiZTXcD9IlPHK+NfpFqnLngEIZHqSZALYzxgq5UwrPJKvBU3I gRy+b2rm3aAJTBIcmnpSj02fCCR79GKspVzhg6optkAimvIZzUN7HFVGZX8oa5xhRhQb dXrSzX1OQfR8rl87q+Yt844JLCfFgH9A3c5oKpFfsfMnfJfPVg0o1ftjd0FbMxMO62If c29g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <670D1FD0-2235-47ED-A6A8-E0199B47C882@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 15:55:40 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Power jack system all over the world - UK: G vs F type 230 v systems. From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 13:55:41 +0000 (UTC) Or the Swedish localisation of the system... No problems, I know where I might find one already here in Stockholm. Per On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: > i use paypal on ebay all the time... ?? > > maybe it's just that particular seller...? > > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> Thank you, Sim. I found it. It is called "13A Euro Plug Converter >> Earthed Euro Plug to UK Plug". But I will try to buy elsewhere since >> it seems you can't pay by PayPal at eBay, as I was thinking. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Simeon Harris >> wrote: >>> If you're normally on 230v it shouldn't be a problem. Just buy a plug adaptor on eBay. >>> >>> Sent from my iPod >>> >>> On 12 Aug 2012, at 12:55, Per Boysen wrote: >>> >>>> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >>>>> Or am I >>>>> misunderstanding this completely? >>>> >>>> >>>> Oops. I did actually by mistake exchange F and G through the most part >>>> of the text, so in order to understand what I tried to explain you >>>> need to read F where it spells G and G where it spells F. But not all >>>> through - the very first sentence was correct. You see - this is not >>>> as easy as it might seem... >>>> >>>> Per ;-) >>>> >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 12 14:28:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BA7E18345A; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 14:28:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5027BD7D.1070902@theambientping.com> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 10:28:13 -0400 From: PiNG Reply-To: ping@theambientping.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , Dark Seeds , Drone Deep Chill , Loopers Delight , The Ambient Way Subject: 08.14.12 > The PiNG presents dreamSTATE + KALTE + General Chaos Visuals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A02020A.5027BD80.0068,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 14:28:17 +0000 (UTC) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 08.14.12 . THE AMBiENT PiNG presents THE RETURN OF THE dreamSTATE DRONE CYCLE 2012 . Part Eight . (F) featuring dreamSTATE with KALTE plus a set by KALTE + fog, light painting and projections by GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS @ Supermarket . 268 Augusta Ave . Kensington Market just south of College . Map, info and directions at: http://www.supermarkettoronto.com/site/section/contact Tues. August 14th . Doors open at 8:00 . 1st set at 9:00 . $6 9:00 . dreamSTATE with KALTE . Anticipating a hot and arid summer, dreamSTATE invited KALTE - Deane Hughes (AKUMU) and Rik MacLean (mara's torment) to chill things out for the PiNG's 13th ANNiVERSARY SPECiAL. Deep, dark and dangerous drones mixed with subtle, but sinister sequences in the haunting key of F will spread like a blanket of cold arctic summer ice filling the ambient space with an almost pleasurable sensation of fright. http://www.dreamstate.to 10:00 . KALTE . Kalte return from a particularly deep hibernation cycle to perform an appropriately dark and mysterious set to mark the PiNG's 13th anniversary. Ranging in style from delicate Icelandic lullabies to crushing avalanches of Antarctic sound, Deane Hughes and Rik MacLean of Kalte promise a performance of work that will entertain and delight the coldest of hearts and the most isolated of souls. http://www.kaltemusic.com . GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS . By throwing blazing beacons of light into the darkness, Stephen Lindsey and Eric Siegerman of General Chaos Visuals, dreamSTATE's visual partners in the drone cycle, will bring light, shadow and fog to warm up the cool space with their colourful evolving hand crafted patterns. http://www.generalchaosvisuals.ca . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . COMiNG SOON: . Tuesday September 11th 2012 . THE PiNG's presents The RETURN of the dreamSTATE DRONE CYCLE . Part Nine . 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"Ecoroots" by Robert Carty is available for free download as a 141 Mb Zip file containing the full release in high quality 320kbps mp3 format along with artwork suitable for printing. The music on this release is copyright Robert Carty 2012, and may not be used or reproduced without the artist's express permission. Download "Ecoroots" by Robert Carty here: http://pingthings.blogspot.ca/2012/07/ecoroots-by-robert-carty.html Don't forget to check out all of the great artists available at the ping things store: http://pingthings.com For more free online releases from the ping things net label go to: http://www.pingthings.com/PTlabel.htm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a Toronto based creative community of audio artists, performers, musicians and visual artists. The PiNG presents live multimedia performances featuring ambient, electronic, soundscape, space, drone, psychedelic, chillout, downtempo, darkwave and experimental artists from around the world. http://www.theambientping.com The PiNG also has a Twitter account to send you advance updates and reminders of the when & where of future PiNG events. Just search for ambientping to find us. http://twitter.com We're also on facebook too, again just search THE AMBiENT PiNG. http://www.facebook.com ViSiT the ping things store for ambient, electronic and chill things: http://www.pingthings.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any interested friends or appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 04:42:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB08B18345B; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 04:42:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEADuFKFAyaD+h/2dsb2JhbABEuXiDKT0CgiuHcqNFkwiOJ4I8YAOITpJZjTE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,757,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="281112892" X-Originating-IP: [50.104.63.161] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.63.161 Message-Id: <6CFBDDB4-4802-41D4-B153-31DB75513EB8@frontier.com> From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Newbie EDP Question Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 23:41:35 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <2b7D_.A.v5C.fWIKQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 04:42:07 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kids, I just hooked up an EDP (the newer black one, not that it matters, I guess) to the fx loop of an Axe FX II. I managed to get everything connected properly in terms of ins/outs (no small achievement sometimes, in my case), and I also managed to set up an Axe II preset with the FX loop in the signal path and the EDP engaged. Since I know there are some Axe users here, I thought I'd mention that detail just to eliminate the possibility that my Axe was not the source of the problem below. When I create my first loop, the loop gradually fades with each cycle. After maybe 5 or 6 repetitions, the loop is gone. For the moment, that's not what I want. I want the loop's volume to remain constant-- at the same level at which it was first recorded. At first I figured this was a simple feedback issue, so I adjusted the front panel feedback knob. But that doesn't seem to be the source of my trouble. I'm sure there is a very simple explanation, and a simple solution. And, yes, I know one response would simply be "FTMF!". I know...and I will. But the manual is a thick mofo, and I just want to get this thing up and running quickly before I make my way through that whole beast. Thanks for your time. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 07:49:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF38B183460; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 07:49:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Philipp_Z=FCrcher?= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--682752596 Subject: Re: Newbie EDP Question Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 09:49:11 +0200 In-Reply-To: <6CFBDDB4-4802-41D4-B153-31DB75513EB8@frontier.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <6CFBDDB4-4802-41D4-B153-31DB75513EB8@frontier.com> Message-Id: <84AF0C82-4FB0-46CE-A401-2813AA36513C@mem.li> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 07:49:14 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--682752596 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Press: Parameter, then Record (Loop/Delay) and choose "LOP" for Loop = instead of "dEL" for Delay. And yes: RTFM - it's worthwile. Instant reward is to be had as well as = long lasting deep satisfaction. The EDP has been a great companion to me for almost 20 years, thanks to = its many "musical" functions. Best Philipp Philipp Zuercher Elfenauweg 2 CH-3006 Bern Switzerland +41 31 332 46 44 (Landline) +41 78 623 13 13 (Mobile) http://www.mem.li --Apple-Mail-1--682752596 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Press: Parameter, then Record (Loop/Delay) and choose "LOP" for Loop instead of "dEL" for Delay.
And yes: RTFM - it's worthwile. Instant reward is to be had as well as long lasting deep satisfaction.
The EDP has been a great companion to me for almost 20 years, thanks to its many "musical" functions.
Best
Philipp
--Apple-Mail-1--682752596-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 13:30:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B749618345D; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:30:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Al0HAPIAKVAyaD+h/2dsb2JhbABFjXisDYMoAQEEOAJPC0ZXiCakJ5NWjieCPGADiE6SWY0x X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,759,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="305144075" X-Originating-IP: [50.104.63.161] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.63.161 Message-Id: From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <84AF0C82-4FB0-46CE-A401-2813AA36513C@mem.li> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Newbie EDP Question Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 08:29:30 -0500 References: <6CFBDDB4-4802-41D4-B153-31DB75513EB8@frontier.com> <84AF0C82-4FB0-46CE-A401-2813AA36513C@mem.li> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:30:05 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Philipp. I'll give that a try momentarily. Thanks again for your help. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 14:41:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A4A618345C; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:41:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=4THu2JS5sFSY7RLWN5xTkLxaMr4K2/x/s+DGFp5MWVk=; b=O1oO6eiQn5C0Hjp89Ryas1ODYL0WI0268iJAOWONjNcrOZUojNedLiTbLtD9FDPngS V3H9BaQyj8i6Q4n/y9UO6g5eiEAJwjrU/8X9czZa1KeiUCX9Mt3QE/w9150yrVmyo+kb ftEyGf0s44eUxLfDNUD6U4gpc3g+2MICuKClNz8fZu/DPgpJG04CmGUQrJM9jiJ8ZnOy 6sqzQw3fUaqGC914zBK7qZchaiav7s/Uf0R93Ulp1s4JMcQu+Tt9v6g2MY52PmPBp1wO s0H+ShDV/QWTOlPpM6CSnxMFpiZdQ5gelgxN5X0nLgnOI0UvWoLlAyXHKlokkbuZ1ghZ BTuw== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Subject: Re: Anyone here never livelooped? From: Philip In-Reply-To: <1344725541.20602.YahooMailNeo@web121004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 23:40:55 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7EB27F12-108F-4084-A37E-D48CB0812C6F@gmail.com> References: <20120811213623.25436.81313.levelstar.mail@everest> <23A74C8C-17A1-4414-AAA4-8DEE6B7F8F21@zonemobius.com> <1344725541.20602.YahooMailNeo@web121004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: loopers delight delight X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: <_uF1wD.A.HuG.-HRKQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Live looping is a small part of what I do, but for me the cool thing = about this site is that it focuses mainly on THAT part of looping. If I = want to discuss the intricacies of creating loops in the studio or for = recording, I can think of at least a dozen great forums frequented by = highly knowledgable studio professionals where I can look or ask for = what I need to know.=20 However, if I want to learn about how to get more out of my EDPs and get = ideas for looping in real time in front of an audience--this is where I = come. This forum is highly specialized, I like that. By the same token, in addition to looping, I am a guitarist and an AxeFx = user as well as being a total analog Roland gear junkie and despite the = fact that the music I create with them is highly repetitive, I suspect = that very few members here share my enthusiasm. When I discuss AxeFx = settings or 303 patterns, there are other places I go--even though I = technically create "loops" with all of my gear. I think by becoming "all things to all men" this site would lose what is = so special about it. Another thing to consider is the format of this forum--it isn't the = standard discussion forum--unless one wants to plough through the = discussions that are saved on the webpage, one has to get individual = mails or digests sent to a computer--even then we have to sift through = those to find what we are interested in.=20 I dread my mailbox filling up with discussions about Britney or anyone = else who happens to use looping in the studio. I would be forced to = unsubscribe due to the sheer volume of communication about things that = do not interest me in the least. That's my $.02 anyway. Philip From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 18:22:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C508B183450; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 18:22:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 769507.98166.bm@omp1069.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1344882176; bh=4xVgGyEcsZhIceNPrw+BlPX/94J3FR8gyPmtTfAnx+4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wnA+o9BFyCp+i0c6BgyVF636Hzy91Y4dt3zd9lfQS7VeFFWr0XqlHrOZZw/WSz4HNSLaP0dTOOnr5MzIHoc97sI2XNaXpIQDIjDLhFyjdj+MCOUR0W/jwCBZUmmj4mDK0fH9KY64nctFE1VyPFFD7HN1798DKZRkSxT28Shta+Q= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IfnKoWHo4uwsIAvcsc6V568LfN3EZvG6B0gFqVaPww1LkkAOKor1rQKeXpY1WNH2bkXYdr3dz6HT30sRd9ymRVxYULeAocgSPo4lTwC5x6mml7T/80Z2vuVxopvObHzApz/vsRuiYLqQO6MYEaB6/FEbON9EeApyoaLgeXkI87Y=; X-YMail-OSG: 5g97ygcVM1n6qI5fVRfGVNT5AQYGK5Lxeonmnp3_rQzLNGu UnptmAZxtyugYN5jCO73wOpcltd2QzKj1YR0O0oYXj34zjhoxtyudEy2TPsB KU4urxpXc79EuwcTNRUhQzxsmy_PBZ4.yLjK0feaA9i0y.Pk1x8GjlxPlrCe kRRxgJpRC9XVLVQHAGm8vd1Bff1YnIVQVuYjRMESZBPSEcA65D6zwN1wOppC 30NjbxlDvKPKF_3xjWEAK3y81MwaDxUwU0N.Srv2sHPG9E3JZA4U8W3_hScU FD.vGkDCUlXbzXCKe1IPkZLzX7ApRjTW5ChuulkpMDbJXLSDc2XJ..GyRA0p dJ0Yq5l6D6Fs89gdXius68Z4Ggs5cLVA0hcPxfWRcS2YyDgep98gMvLI9fXM aCsRgFQ.UulM.E914uBIyB4NyLl7Kzyzz1jPvuwk3qodAcpg3E16VKl94Xn. j0m8Kmrza6irQ38nOQwin7dl4EcrvSDCd4rMh6.bAbph3WaSs_AQRts_rZqp 3A9YoE92EBdOv4gSguvYqgR4UTpz591NX9Q-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1344882176.90902.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:22:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Reply-To: Luis Angulo Subject: best desktop guitar midi interface? To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1480336445-279877282-1344882176=:90902" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 18:22:57 +0000 (UTC) ---1480336445-279877282-1344882176=:90902 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi gang,im thinking of buying a guitar midi interface to trigger plugins an= d software synths but i thought i check with you before i buy=0A=0Awhich on= e would you recomend or is the best tracking one out here?=0Aive been consi= dering a used GI-20=0Athanx!=0A=0A=A0=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/luisanguloco= m ---1480336445-279877282-1344882176=:90902 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi gang,im= thinking of buying a guitar midi interface to trigger plugins and software= synths but i thought i check with you before i buy
which one would you recomend or is the best tracking one out here?
ive been considering a used GI-20
thanx!
 
http://www.myspace.com/luisa= ngulocom
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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1118611504-1888668465-1344882578=:71406" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 18:29:39 +0000 (UTC) ---1118611504-1888668465-1344882578=:71406 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Many people struggle with the question of if the music is good enough. I ha= ve a bit of anxiety after a piece is finished. Is this good enough to throw= out there? A pretty common feeling I should think. Rig=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Matt Davignon =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Saturda= y, August 11, 2012 2:28 PM=0ASubject: Re: Anyone here never livelooped?=0A= =0A=0AHi Tyler, =0A=0AThe looping you're talking about is so commonplace th= at a discussion list about it would be like having a discussion list about = copy/paste. (Actually, it would be exactly like that, because copy/paste is= one of the ways you get loops in the studio.)=A0 =0A=0AHere's a list of th= e loops I could hear in "Toxic" by Britney spears. =0A1) The first 1.6 seco= nds of electronic bass drum and snare drum=0A2) The first 3.3 seconds of st= ring samples (the riff of the song)=0A3) The acoustic guitar is looped, but= parts of the loop are muted in the beginning of the song. You hear the ent= ire loop from 0:27 to 0:40.=0A4) Same with the synthesized bass line - you = hear the entire loop from 0:27 to 0:40=0A5) The entire chorus from 0:57 to = 1:24 is probably looped. I bet each time you hear the chorus, you're hearin= g it copy/pasted from this first time.=0A6) In fact, at 2:51, you hear the = seam of the loop, but they had to overlap Britney's vocal performance, so y= ou hear her singing "toxic" and "with a taste" at the same time. =0A=0ANow,= the chorus loop isn't like they take one big chunk and copy/paste it. You'= re probably hearing about 8 tracks of instruments and even more tracks of v= ocals. Typically, new instrumental loops are to choruses that are further o= n in the song. Not so much in this song - there's just a new synthesizer li= ne in the last chorus. =0A=0AIn order to make the loops sound less repetiti= ve, the producers often drop out most of the tracks (this is called a "drop= out", and is really common in hip-hop), and replace them briefly with othe= r synths or heavily processed versions of the other loops. I like the part = at 2:37 where they run her voice through multiple vocoders before fading in= the chorus loop again. Looping isn't the challenge here - it's trying to g= et the song to sound like it's not looped!=0A=0AFrankly, I think it's a wel= l-produced song. The guys who wrote and produced the music went and formed = their own band later, called Miike Snow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dd= LHjKgQt39s). =0A=0AUnfortunately, most pop stars like Britney Spears have v= ery little to do with the music they're associated with. They are pretty pe= ople with slightly better than average singing ability. Usually the songs a= re written and produced by other people. There are even vocal coaches to te= ll the singers when to sigh and how to emote when singing. =0AThis song was= completely written and produced before Britney Spears came into the pictur= e - it was offered to Kylie Minogue first. =0A=0AI'm certain there must be = some discussion groups on the internet about how to use DAWs (digital audio= workstations) to create pop songs. I imagine most of the folks on those li= sts probably discuss EQing, mastering, plugins and stuff like that. Looping= is one of the first things you learn. =0A=0AFor folks who aren't familiar = with the song: =0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DLOZuxwVk7TU=0A=0AAnd for= those who are: =0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DPwFXy_yl4hE=0A=0A=0A=0A= -- =0AMatt Davignon=0Amattdavignon@gmail.com=0Awww.ribosomemusic.com=0APodc= ast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com=0A=0ATyler was like:=0A=0A=0A>> Hello! Are any of you guys members of this mailing = list because you loop in the studio? Anyone never=0A>> livelooped? After al= l, this site is about looping, including livelooping; not just livelooping,= even=0A>> though there is an abundance of livelooping. It is okay to talk = about pop music with a lot of repeated=0A>> samples; we just need to tell a= lot of indie studio loopers about the list, and we can make the list more= =0A>> like how it is described on the website; looping of all kinds.=0A>> T= yler Z=0A>>=0A>=0A> ---1118611504-1888668465-1344882578=:71406 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Many people struggle with the question of if the music is good enough. I ha= ve a bit of anxiety after a piece is finished. Is this good enough to throw= out there? A pretty common feeling I should think.=0D
=0D
Rig
From:= Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 = 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: A= nyone here never livelooped?

=0A
Hi Tyler,

The looping you're talking about is so commonplace= that a discussion list about it would be like having a discussion list abo= ut copy/paste. (Actually, it would be exactly like that, because copy/paste= is one of the ways you get loops in the studio.)=A0
=0A
Here's = a list of the loops I could hear in "Toxic" by Britney spears. 1) The first 1.6 seconds of electronic bass drum and snare drum
2) The= first 3.3 seconds of string samples (the riff of the song)
=0A3) The ac= oustic guitar is looped, but parts of the loop are muted in the beginning o= f the song. You hear the entire loop from 0:27 to 0:40.
4) Same with the= synthesized bass line - you hear the entire loop from 0:27 to 0:40
=0A5= ) The entire chorus from 0:57 to 1:24 is probably looped. I bet each time y= ou hear the chorus, you're hearing it copy/pasted from this first time.=
6) In fact, at 2:51, you hear the seam of the loop, but they had to ove= rlap Britney's vocal performance, so you hear her singing "toxic&q= uot; and "with a taste" at the same time.
=0A
Now, the cho= rus loop isn't like they take one big chunk and copy/paste it. You'= re probably hearing about 8 tracks of instruments and even more tracks of v= ocals. Typically, new instrumental loops are to choruses that are further o= n in the song. Not so much in this song - there's just a new synthesize= r line in the last chorus.
=0A
In order to make the loops sound less= repetitive, the producers often drop out most of the tracks (this is calle= d a "drop out", and is really common in hip-hop), and replace the= m briefly with other synths or heavily processed versions of the other loop= s. I like the part at 2:37 where they run her voice through multiple vocode= rs before fading in the chorus loop again. Looping isn't the challenge = here - it's trying to get the song to sound like it's not looped!=0A
Frankly, I think it's a well-produced song. The guys who wrote= and produced the music went and formed their own band later, called Miike = Snow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DdLHjKgQt39s).
=0A
Unfortunate= ly, most pop stars like Britney Spears have very little to do with the musi= c they're associated with. They are pretty people with slightly better = than average singing ability. Usually the songs are written and produced by= other people. There are even vocal coaches to tell the singers when to sig= h and how to emote when singing.
=0A=0AThis song was completely written= and produced before Britney Spears came into the picture - it was offered = to Kylie Minogue first.

I'm certain there must be some discussi= on groups on the internet about how to use DAWs (digital audio workstations= ) to create pop songs. I imagine most of the folks on those lists probably = discuss EQing, mastering, plugins and stuff like that. Looping is one of th= e first things you learn.
=0A
For folks who aren't familiar with= the song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DLOZuxwVk7TU

And for = those who are:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DPwFXy_yl4hE
=0A
<= br clear=3D"all">
--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
P= odcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
=0A
Tyler <programmer651@comcast.net> was= like:
=0A
=0A
=0A> Hello! Are any of you guys members of this mailing= list because you loop in the studio? Anyone never
=0A> livelooped? A= fter all, this site is about looping, including livelooping; not just livel= ooping, even
=0A> though there is an abundance of livelooping. It is = okay to talk about pop music with a lot of repeated
=0A> samples; we = just need to tell a lot of indie studio loopers about the list, and we can = make the list more
=0A> like how it is described on the website; loop= ing of all kinds.
=0A> Tyler Z
=0A>
=0A
=0A


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---1118611504-1888668465-1344882578=:71406-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 18:31:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F165018345B; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 18:31:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:importance:x-mailer :x-mimeole; bh=Ocg1mx06Z8b+N8lIWogjxupAydeyUZwiCf06sco/5B4=; b=b8eMAq+t6WCax3ganO2iR9XjpTn5+nKAboux7847up4DBSM3Z0NxXVwi/EPCo1mbGY zZWrF4Xmo6TSh6X7M56pqARGvBV6Czi7/khmBAYn23goVrAKVY2c1zy4ngicUsNe2MEV 1yJlQMdsfc6tqdYztqqFakAZYlSwrQE+PJExBI7o1Emk8ziSzmfQHnRe2WcEUWgGziPn 8AJ4SunaKqJqD3vg/NV4ubsEE+qD1KY3GxQFM78EwkIhSzx9u6R4QupT3KR/lwnF8H1c TOvTB/zxbfq6gRNRz4eGqCRW3jfIHLi9HbE6gRUhr/ZibGjTV1UHqr2mRSVZegR7ZBdR GqIQ== Message-ID: <42DE6D8F4F6B414A9EED5D3ECB2C0510@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <1344882176.90902.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1344882176.90902.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: best desktop guitar midi interface? Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:30:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03E7_01CD794F.7DD08FD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: <2LnXQB.A.x5.mfUKQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 18:31:02 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03E7_01CD794F.7DD08FD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99m using the GI-20, with the Godin Freeway SA, with soft synths = in Live. Works alright, but I=E2=80=99ll never be satisfied with the = tracking. I guess McLaughlin used this same setup (interface and guitar) for a = while and had no major complaints. I heard the Axon (50 or 100) is faster, but I don=E2=80=99t know whether = that is true or not. From: Luis Angulo=20 Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 12:22 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: best desktop guitar midi interface? Hi gang,im thinking of buying a guitar midi interface to trigger plugins = and software synths but i thought i check with you before i buy which one would you recomend or is the best tracking one out here? ive been considering a used GI-20 thanx! http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ------=_NextPart_000_03E7_01CD794F.7DD08FD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=E2=80=99m using the GI-20, with the Godin Freeway SA, with soft = synths in Live.=20 Works alright, but I=E2=80=99ll never be satisfied with the = tracking.
I guess McLaughlin used this same setup (interface and guitar) for = a while=20 and had no major complaints.
I heard the Axon (50 or 100) is faster, but I don=E2=80=99t know = whether that is=20 true or not.
 
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 12:22 PM
Subject: best desktop guitar midi = interface?
 
Hi gang,im thinking of buying a guitar midi interface to = trigger=20 plugins and software synths but i thought i check with you before i=20 buy
which one would you recomend or is the best tracking one out=20 here?
ive been considering a used GI-20
thanx!
 
http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
------=_NextPart_000_03E7_01CD794F.7DD08FD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 18:56:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D32C618345C; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 18:56:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=QkVUqCwRqXr8ekCLlDr6CXMs+SU5ZXBaDHyWlqQPaF0=; b=SrFRz7htpXFrUSP38DJZwo5A4fP5nAuxV7AtAP9dqRIULU4lASd5jFGTHjItmqjvrF KrvuiSK9AsvpA1N21OChaDvl0i5j/bdXa0dmA1D4i5vFzohJpin6LCq/o3vV6rDdPPC7 n0JlPrOf337s1l5eFIYQE9GRVSPLF1cRbk9O3w//Sl16FKLQP0E1Ghm3wMF47ynFdcFe ylf9bnZFDSdTtiFMD3ZtDU5voZwU2GKtuFp4Hhz8oF0izDZf9+oqOC0ddUjhoRQFOPph yz1Pb9aYMSSMFkqWJa5nxHb7WOzRVWnqQnqIP4B4ocIa806jNZUc1RCuO4KaGnkmlc9c vIfg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1344882176.90902.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 20:56:06 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: re: best desktop guitar midi interface? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 18:56:07 +0000 (UTC) I know about no guitar MIDI interface that doesn't lag if playing synths. But I've heard many say like Krispen, that the Axon is fastest. But I guess those who still own a used Axon hold on to them and they might be hard to find. Regarding McLaughlin I assume that he has learned to play with latency from many concerts on large stages (where the speaker may have to be far from his playing position - some five meters distance and you have the same latency as MIDI conversion, except the annoying fact that MIDI triggering goes slower the lower notes you play. When I had a MIDI guitar in the eighties I used to play bass lines high up on the two thinnest strings and set the guitar's built-in MIDI interface to transpose MIDI Notes down by three octaves before sending them out to the synth = much faster triggering that way). A way to have no latency is to not use MIDI but play synths directly with Roland's GR-55 system. The GR-55 can also be used as a MIDI interface; just plug a USB cable from it into a computer. But the MIDI stuff will play a bit after the synth notes. There's a new Guitar MIDI pickup and wireless MIDI interface soon to ship; the Fishman TriplePlay. A YouTube video from NAMM here: http://youtu.be/_nKhlmJ4EeI If you're fine with monophonic playing you also have the little Sonus i2M, review here: http://www.guitarmoderne.com/gear-2/gear-review-sonuus-i2m-synth-musicport Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Luis Angulo wrote: > Hi gang,im thinking of buying a guitar midi interface to trigger plugins and > software synths but i thought i check with you before i buy > which one would you recomend or is the best tracking one out here? > ive been considering a used GI-20 > thanx! > > http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 19:03:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9E1318345E; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 19:03:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=OUMOANnDWU7gyKlpk0m/dGwvZgKMfooNKIPP92mBfQA=; b=PvEp2W8ew+gTA62AaDOLTQZ69HCc1BfvBj+AEY/iNMzzzAQjYQPFwNlE2OMMWK5c1O hjYthmzMl2n2lpMRzw+EpH7XMyeoneuqIvBlvTwAZ5+4ZyAT1uYWW2nsh+vaMmlRafFr bKtIk+qwpPc1rlNozCHQaQPsUyvvoJb24eJZ9ZENkZ1hpFuc4rfM4VcKj7lBj+X/3RQu 1h20zn2aghOL7mnQZTQRRw8AWE/MlxBXjzdge+/WjIUlNYD4kNgEa1RyI/g31cvjAWp7 9hzZYVuu8+/qZkxsXmrmra4X00vFg2Mt8FwBZfPdeBwLRW9jHqwFvY+kc/C1rGdqApig mtCw== Message-ID: <1B898C33FE5B4B648C273E82AD765846@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <1344882176.90902.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: best desktop guitar midi interface? Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:03:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 19:03:30 +0000 (UTC) I want a GR300. :) -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 12:56 PM To: Loopers-Delight Subject: re: best desktop guitar midi interface? I know about no guitar MIDI interface that doesn't lag if playing synths. But I've heard many say like Krispen, that the Axon is fastest. But I guess those who still own a used Axon hold on to them and they might be hard to find. Regarding McLaughlin I assume that he has learned to play with latency from many concerts on large stages (where the speaker may have to be far from his playing position - some five meters distance and you have the same latency as MIDI conversion, except the annoying fact that MIDI triggering goes slower the lower notes you play. When I had a MIDI guitar in the eighties I used to play bass lines high up on the two thinnest strings and set the guitar's built-in MIDI interface to transpose MIDI Notes down by three octaves before sending them out to the synth = much faster triggering that way). A way to have no latency is to not use MIDI but play synths directly with Roland's GR-55 system. The GR-55 can also be used as a MIDI interface; just plug a USB cable from it into a computer. But the MIDI stuff will play a bit after the synth notes. There's a new Guitar MIDI pickup and wireless MIDI interface soon to ship; the Fishman TriplePlay. A YouTube video from NAMM here: http://youtu.be/_nKhlmJ4EeI If you're fine with monophonic playing you also have the little Sonus i2M, review here: http://www.guitarmoderne.com/gear-2/gear-review-sonuus-i2m-synth-musicport Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Luis Angulo wrote: > Hi gang,im thinking of buying a guitar midi interface to trigger plugins > and > software synths but i thought i check with you before i buy > which one would you recomend or is the best tracking one out here? > ive been considering a used GI-20 > thanx! > > http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 19:05:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA04D183463; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 19:05:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=hRUjjD9MBrLgiAVyTkpnNjPlYusjcmb/Et9hRLIVDoQ=; b=pkn2zM/cu1aPhQ6ykREsR21V66EUsWPEix439T8UtzzG9LLwVo8svqxoVV5zUckX+D zyt/btMF85vTLtWYTUFUN+GBWjfw7eoUzJgJDglMCFWS980UGQEN26l9uGwevnjebEE/ 5pN3dcG4ZEwjE4Nrpu/h6bOUTPSx8ArLUo+ulgOpGBgDnJDfKMrhX1RQTGScIIK/z6t3 owHa/QW1qR38lxv/e8+ExQNzpz9/uTuD9JoA4yAHCtAjg6aJhWVbv9/QU7SBVgrG8hUJ hsZmMvqSo4YLTQi9Ih/JInXeb54QBx0Z326RxDLkTKIa7aAHTOWfcluwGRPQKlmYnSrE kaqQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1B898C33FE5B4B648C273E82AD765846@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <1344882176.90902.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1B898C33FE5B4B648C273E82AD765846@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:05:12 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: best desktop guitar midi interface? From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <7u5yE.A.adB.p_UKQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 19:05:13 +0000 (UTC) Don't we all? http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > I want a GR300. :) > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 12:56 PM > To: Loopers-Delight > Subject: re: best desktop guitar midi interface? > > > I know about no guitar MIDI interface that doesn't lag if playing > synths. But I've heard many say like Krispen, that the Axon is > fastest. But I guess those who still own a used Axon hold on to them > and they might be hard to find. Regarding McLaughlin I assume that he > has learned to play with latency from many concerts on large stages > (where the speaker may have to be far from his playing position - some > five meters distance and you have the same latency as MIDI conversion, > except the annoying fact that MIDI triggering goes slower the lower > notes you play. When I had a MIDI guitar in the eighties I used to > play bass lines high up on the two thinnest strings and set the > guitar's built-in MIDI interface to transpose MIDI Notes down by three > octaves before sending them out to the synth = much faster triggering > that way). > > A way to have no latency is to not use MIDI but play synths directly > with Roland's GR-55 system. The GR-55 can also be used as a MIDI > interface; just plug a USB cable from it into a computer. But the MIDI > stuff will play a bit after the synth notes. > > There's a new Guitar MIDI pickup and wireless MIDI interface soon to > ship; the Fishman TriplePlay. A YouTube video from NAMM here: > http://youtu.be/_nKhlmJ4EeI > > If you're fine with monophonic playing you also have the little Sonus > i2M, review here: > http://www.guitarmoderne.com/gear-2/gear-review-sonuus-i2m-synth-musicport > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Luis Angulo wrote: >> >> Hi gang,im thinking of buying a guitar midi interface to trigger plugins >> and >> software synths but i thought i check with you before i buy >> which one would you recomend or is the best tracking one out here? >> ive been considering a used GI-20 >> thanx! >> >> http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 19:22:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BD5818345C; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 19:22:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=dknpi+7Hu+BHEtBKCx+n1jDKBem6aXIrmW0lc/Qp8i0=; b=OS294qlVG5OJQz8ethw1oqbx7cV+kq0f5ac/2+6+fz2BOhW6PauZQKMeiQVNLYzahh uAD6helqyxTd+TGTFm9PCmCN4Wmh4gfzWZ1P6JZwJaeTqC7A5pQqIbOq4iSyfWoSmGJE e7ASYL3uXDBEYpKp+Xg7/ZgaVE16VXVvaVlx++MPHFGG4SHvLs6odKmvbUHwZP+8NdjB j9ZngKtzNLKyePHQde806mYvVcIfRWpF+8fe9Ch+K4aK6bf6MUAaRPZxoJ3arbVs/N67 inTYC4Rcc3deRsENNTm0eCHTGnfh6DrCDMYPJvCLEXV5op8JrNsh44JG6Qp3FpK808ha 426A== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1344882176.90902.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1B898C33FE5B4B648C273E82AD765846@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 21:22:28 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: best desktop guitar midi interface? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <3wCRKC.A.L4B.1PVKQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 19:22:29 +0000 (UTC) I've played one and did not like the vibrato button. Back when it was produced there wasn't any technology available to make the strings control micro tuning of the synth engine. But I liked some music Pat Metheney made with the GR300. I just couldn't stand pressing down a button to apply vibrato, felt stiff and not very musical. Per On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 9:05 PM, Dennis Moser wrote: > Don't we all? > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: >> I want a GR300. :) >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen >> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 12:56 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight >> Subject: re: best desktop guitar midi interface? >> >> >> I know about no guitar MIDI interface that doesn't lag if playing >> synths. But I've heard many say like Krispen, that the Axon is >> fastest. But I guess those who still own a used Axon hold on to them >> and they might be hard to find. Regarding McLaughlin I assume that he >> has learned to play with latency from many concerts on large stages >> (where the speaker may have to be far from his playing position - some >> five meters distance and you have the same latency as MIDI conversion, >> except the annoying fact that MIDI triggering goes slower the lower >> notes you play. When I had a MIDI guitar in the eighties I used to >> play bass lines high up on the two thinnest strings and set the >> guitar's built-in MIDI interface to transpose MIDI Notes down by three >> octaves before sending them out to the synth = much faster triggering >> that way). >> >> A way to have no latency is to not use MIDI but play synths directly >> with Roland's GR-55 system. The GR-55 can also be used as a MIDI >> interface; just plug a USB cable from it into a computer. But the MIDI >> stuff will play a bit after the synth notes. >> >> There's a new Guitar MIDI pickup and wireless MIDI interface soon to >> ship; the Fishman TriplePlay. A YouTube video from NAMM here: >> http://youtu.be/_nKhlmJ4EeI >> >> If you're fine with monophonic playing you also have the little Sonus >> i2M, review here: >> http://www.guitarmoderne.com/gear-2/gear-review-sonuus-i2m-synth-musicport >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Luis Angulo wrote: >>> >>> Hi gang,im thinking of buying a guitar midi interface to trigger plugins >>> and >>> software synths but i thought i check with you before i buy >>> which one would you recomend or is the best tracking one out here? >>> ive been considering a used GI-20 >>> thanx! >>> >>> http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 19:26:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E444618345B; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 19:26:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=I/bZE9NTfx+gjn49liRa/hQ4VD6kpwp6nVjotw/2Ib4=; b=t/cBL39BUfmyEyHfNtYM9HVT9zeukQ6fpFsAjzZzU6t6c7o6MsHpoUQzuVfU3r9w2X xHHhmF9TaaN2V8bR8ONMARJezqYxh++Zam0oJs44GJYiYWcAEr7qSCFcJpV7HV/WqaZh LUHsuU5fk92qUXiI4kGq15nsV8jfUWb8phZg5rQL7EiDFMn8dEeZN4xJogXMEec/mNLI ZucQk+gQ3dyg341LyZJCDWTJVakdCb9lyoyXQPliHN3k2DOaF3Jc3iHARkaJKBbhe0YY XZGMtPediBkxhBkMnOZf1g+TTrV5RN/V+ThtPMow5h9RMoSjJlJ5phw/T45aphXr8OM5 opFw== Message-ID: From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <1344882176.90902.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><1B898C33FE5B4B648C273E82AD765846@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: best desktop guitar midi interface? Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:26:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 19:26:36 +0000 (UTC) I think John Abercrombie played one for a while too, right? I liked his sound and use of it better than Pat's, especially on his version of Stella by Starlight. I wish Roland would make a reissue, but improved version of the GR300. Yeah, I know...VG..but its different. -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 1:22 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: best desktop guitar midi interface? I've played one and did not like the vibrato button. Back when it was produced there wasn't any technology available to make the strings control micro tuning of the synth engine. But I liked some music Pat Metheney made with the GR300. I just couldn't stand pressing down a button to apply vibrato, felt stiff and not very musical. Per On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 9:05 PM, Dennis Moser wrote: > Don't we all? > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Kris Hartung > wrote: >> I want a GR300. :) >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen >> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 12:56 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight >> Subject: re: best desktop guitar midi interface? >> >> >> I know about no guitar MIDI interface that doesn't lag if playing >> synths. But I've heard many say like Krispen, that the Axon is >> fastest. But I guess those who still own a used Axon hold on to them >> and they might be hard to find. Regarding McLaughlin I assume that he >> has learned to play with latency from many concerts on large stages >> (where the speaker may have to be far from his playing position - some >> five meters distance and you have the same latency as MIDI conversion, >> except the annoying fact that MIDI triggering goes slower the lower >> notes you play. When I had a MIDI guitar in the eighties I used to >> play bass lines high up on the two thinnest strings and set the >> guitar's built-in MIDI interface to transpose MIDI Notes down by three >> octaves before sending them out to the synth = much faster triggering >> that way). >> >> A way to have no latency is to not use MIDI but play synths directly >> with Roland's GR-55 system. The GR-55 can also be used as a MIDI >> interface; just plug a USB cable from it into a computer. But the MIDI >> stuff will play a bit after the synth notes. >> >> There's a new Guitar MIDI pickup and wireless MIDI interface soon to >> ship; the Fishman TriplePlay. A YouTube video from NAMM here: >> http://youtu.be/_nKhlmJ4EeI >> >> If you're fine with monophonic playing you also have the little Sonus >> i2M, review here: >> http://www.guitarmoderne.com/gear-2/gear-review-sonuus-i2m-synth-musicport >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Luis Angulo >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi gang,im thinking of buying a guitar midi interface to trigger plugins >>> and >>> software synths but i thought i check with you before i buy >>> which one would you recomend or is the best tracking one out here? >>> ive been considering a used GI-20 >>> thanx! >>> >>> http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 19:43:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC61318345B; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 19:43:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=bS/5p05fd9IfX1BC/xt49hd+3gH6CWU8U9swq5UPHgY=; b=EP/6mFBhDrQrblAKjpk+OFzRPbhs0F1eL7NFWTXZ5ddMv3P8ZR0IqBsL24JpvFWCS7 USLEotMJpEKpqsPgQnVxPzAZ4ond3w3ZYaJM5gYezq1lHyqoWwV8nq90LlqhCgNHE07P 29auhDb95VYDs872wjqR8ju0Y7MmEzF93h+dVH2uoO7Hy7u9AbRSEjwefSd/SM7G/rLd cHaY2GfExX15ey7gI3xIV5Iz+A09bvrMFhtuSXKSls2QnFbQLvIsodbtuxjtWD2Q2K2n /5K0kGn47SMvsI973OF5CXkdswVWoHkTXthxER36Dj7/l4QN5Aw8+MEihhI3lUSKRiSH NGyA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1344882176.90902.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1B898C33FE5B4B648C273E82AD765846@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:43:56 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: best desktop guitar midi interface? From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 19:43:57 +0000 (UTC) I can vouch for the sonuus I2M: http://sonuus.com/products_i2m_mp_spec.html I use it with my trombone and it works quite well (sonnus started out with guitars and bass -to-midi adapters, so there are lots of people using them with those instruments). The latency specs depend on the note frequency you're playing, as Per pointed out, but it's quite acceptable for the tenor range (less than 17ms). Sylvain On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > I think John Abercrombie played one for a while too, right? I liked his > sound and use of it better than Pat's, especially on his version of Stella > by Starlight. > I wish Roland would make a reissue, but improved version of the GR300. Yeah, > I know...VG..but its different. > > > -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 1:22 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: best desktop guitar midi interface? > > I've played one and did not like the vibrato button. Back when it was > produced there wasn't any technology available to make the strings > control micro tuning of the synth engine. But I liked some music Pat > Metheney made with the GR300. I just couldn't stand pressing down a > button to apply vibrato, felt stiff and not very musical. > > Per > > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 9:05 PM, Dennis Moser > wrote: >> >> Don't we all? >> >> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin >> http://audiozoloft.com >> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Kris Hartung >> wrote: >>> >>> I want a GR300. :) >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen >>> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 12:56 PM >>> To: Loopers-Delight >>> Subject: re: best desktop guitar midi interface? >>> >>> >>> I know about no guitar MIDI interface that doesn't lag if playing >>> synths. But I've heard many say like Krispen, that the Axon is >>> fastest. But I guess those who still own a used Axon hold on to them >>> and they might be hard to find. Regarding McLaughlin I assume that he >>> has learned to play with latency from many concerts on large stages >>> (where the speaker may have to be far from his playing position - some >>> five meters distance and you have the same latency as MIDI conversion, >>> except the annoying fact that MIDI triggering goes slower the lower >>> notes you play. When I had a MIDI guitar in the eighties I used to >>> play bass lines high up on the two thinnest strings and set the >>> guitar's built-in MIDI interface to transpose MIDI Notes down by three >>> octaves before sending them out to the synth = much faster triggering >>> that way). >>> >>> A way to have no latency is to not use MIDI but play synths directly >>> with Roland's GR-55 system. The GR-55 can also be used as a MIDI >>> interface; just plug a USB cable from it into a computer. But the MIDI >>> stuff will play a bit after the synth notes. >>> >>> There's a new Guitar MIDI pickup and wireless MIDI interface soon to >>> ship; the Fishman TriplePlay. A YouTube video from NAMM here: >>> http://youtu.be/_nKhlmJ4EeI >>> >>> If you're fine with monophonic playing you also have the little Sonus >>> i2M, review here: >>> >>> http://www.guitarmoderne.com/gear-2/gear-review-sonuus-i2m-synth-musicport >>> >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> www.perboysen.com >>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Luis Angulo >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi gang,im thinking of buying a guitar midi interface to trigger plugins >>>> and >>>> software synths but i thought i check with you before i buy >>>> which one would you recomend or is the best tracking one out here? >>>> ive been considering a used GI-20 >>>> thanx! >>>> >>>> http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom >>> >>> >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 19:48:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B08D18345E; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 19:48:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=VhhL47Zz63ABvl8ZPvrq5PmU/Ht0EF7YLQxod1Lgh6c= c=1 sm=2 a=9BE-WMyo4AYA:10 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=OUXYneDTAAAA:8 a=jJrOw3FHAAAA:8 a=I0gBZcFlAAAA:8 a=dMZfGW12AAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=H21nxKC5AyY4sckNRa8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=053Au2P4wpAA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=FU4QsWcZpzsA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=AcRHcZ9eXNXu5V6ggJQA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 172.218.152.1 Subject: Re: best desktop guitar midi interface? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--639612236 From: richard sales X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <1B898C33FE5B4B648C273E82AD765846@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:48:11 -0700 Message-Id: <65ED71D9-F211-404F-BA8D-2510631117CC@glasswing.com> References: <1344882176.90902.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1B898C33FE5B4B648C273E82AD765846@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 19:48:20 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--639612236 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii GR300 - one ferocious beast! I've had mine repaired and now need to = find time to rekindle the love. =20 Listening to old recordings I did with it, it's always a "Holy Cow" = moment. =20 richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.goodnaturefarms.com On Aug 13, 2012, at 12:03 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > I want a GR300. :) >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 12:56 PM > To: Loopers-Delight > Subject: re: best desktop guitar midi interface? >=20 > I know about no guitar MIDI interface that doesn't lag if playing > synths. But I've heard many say like Krispen, that the Axon is > fastest. But I guess those who still own a used Axon hold on to them > and they might be hard to find. Regarding McLaughlin I assume that he > has learned to play with latency from many concerts on large stages > (where the speaker may have to be far from his playing position - some > five meters distance and you have the same latency as MIDI conversion, > except the annoying fact that MIDI triggering goes slower the lower > notes you play. When I had a MIDI guitar in the eighties I used to > play bass lines high up on the two thinnest strings and set the > guitar's built-in MIDI interface to transpose MIDI Notes down by three > octaves before sending them out to the synth =3D much faster = triggering > that way). >=20 > A way to have no latency is to not use MIDI but play synths directly > with Roland's GR-55 system. The GR-55 can also be used as a MIDI > interface; just plug a USB cable from it into a computer. But the MIDI > stuff will play a bit after the synth notes. >=20 > There's a new Guitar MIDI pickup and wireless MIDI interface soon to > ship; the Fishman TriplePlay. A YouTube video from NAMM here: > http://youtu.be/_nKhlmJ4EeI >=20 > If you're fine with monophonic playing you also have the little Sonus > i2M, review here: > = http://www.guitarmoderne.com/gear-2/gear-review-sonuus-i2m-synth-musicport= >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Luis Angulo = wrote: >> Hi gang,im thinking of buying a guitar midi interface to trigger = plugins and >> software synths but i thought i check with you before i buy >> which one would you recomend or is the best tracking one out here? >> ive been considering a used GI-20 >> thanx! >>=20 >> http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-1--639612236 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii GR300 = - one ferocious beast!  I've had mine repaired and now need to find = time to rekindle the love.  
Listening to old recordings I did = with it, it's always a "Holy Cow" moment.  
richard sales
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38">www.richardsales.com
= www.goodnaturefarms.com=











On Aug 13, 2012, at 12:03 PM, Kris Hartung wrote:

I = want a GR300.  :)



-----Original Message----- From: = Per Boysen
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 12:56 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight
Subject: re: best desktop guitar midi = interface?

I know about no guitar MIDI interface that doesn't lag = if playing
synths. But I've heard many say like Krispen, that the = Axon is
fastest. But I guess those who still own a used Axon hold on = to them
and they might be hard to find. Regarding McLaughlin I assume = that he
has learned to play with latency from many concerts on large = stages
(where the speaker may have to be far from his playing = position - some
five meters distance and you have the same latency as = MIDI conversion,
except the annoying fact that MIDI triggering goes = slower the lower
notes you play. When I had a MIDI guitar in the = eighties I used to
play bass lines high up on the two thinnest = strings and set the
guitar's built-in MIDI interface to transpose = MIDI Notes down by three
octaves before sending them out to the synth = =3D much faster triggering
that way).

A way to have no latency = is to not use MIDI but play synths directly
with Roland's GR-55 = system. The GR-55 can also be used as a MIDI
interface; just plug a = USB cable from it into a computer. But the MIDI
stuff will play a bit = after the synth notes.

There's a new Guitar MIDI pickup and = wireless MIDI interface soon to
ship; the Fishman TriplePlay. A = YouTube video from NAMM here:
http://youtu.be/_nKhlmJ4EeI
If you're fine with monophonic playing you also have the little = Sonus
i2M, review = here:
http://www.guitarmoderne.com/gear-2/gear-review-sonuus-i2m-synth-= musicport

Greetings from Sweden

Per = Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen

On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Luis Angulo = <louie.angulo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi = gang,im thinking of buying a guitar midi interface to trigger plugins = and
software synths but i = thought i check with you before i buy
which one would you recomend or is the best tracking one = out here?
ive been considering = a used GI-20
thanx!

http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom =


= --Apple-Mail-1--639612236-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 19:48:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A501D183461; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 19:48:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ZTU0a4ovbaePzGGvfoRSNksGTCZgtkhpbtGWzBttlDs=; b=CSnuU+mYhbwwc8Hdo5HVewT3kmtfmrMihBM6QCSe9D6pvaXqiaVBSlR8/Gt/0S0F6S PjulyFSOMXUl4mEEHLxSYvmXsVf4sWekHjv6bB848N4+IBLa2GCxPjGypbfMahCgaeW8 CQZwSJE2WbjTPYbbZ6x2AblTeFZY73Yk0Q6GZFR+AmrOBGpEIWh9g2uclkbovNYoZmRA 7ibPtoDKaXJ4R3F5W5flVlABaKpoD041E6ubClBYudy3Y0Xpr+SfTE8/XZ167qgnaTbE oxxavXvsX+VMtiOZvCbgdwnYdgWtlPmK/1lFjSlxNHnBGEjSgBacdZFBOFzAKOZFEC// Csog== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1344882176.90902.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1B898C33FE5B4B648C273E82AD765846@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:48:56 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: best desktop guitar midi interface? From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04430404f9c0a804c72afbbb Resent-Message-ID: <4jZN5B.A.2nC.qoVKQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 19:48:58 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04430404f9c0a804c72afbbb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Definitely check out the "Yourock Guitar." It's a toy and meant to work as a game controller for Rock Band, but it's a surprisingly good musical instrument and the price is right: http://www.yourockguitar.com/ On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Sylvain Poitras < sylvain.trombone@gmail.com> wrote: > I can vouch for the sonuus I2M: > http://sonuus.com/products_i2m_mp_spec.html > > I use it with my trombone and it works quite well > (sonnus started out with guitars and bass -to-midi adapters, so there > are lots of people using them with those instruments). > > The latency specs depend on the note frequency you're playing, as Per > pointed out, but it's quite acceptable for the tenor range (less than > 17ms). > > Sylvain > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Kris Hartung > wrote: > > I think John Abercrombie played one for a while too, right? I liked his > > sound and use of it better than Pat's, especially on his version of > Stella > > by Starlight. > > I wish Roland would make a reissue, but improved version of the GR300. > Yeah, > > I know...VG..but its different. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen > > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 1:22 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > Subject: Re: best desktop guitar midi interface? > > > > I've played one and did not like the vibrato button. Back when it was > > produced there wasn't any technology available to make the strings > > control micro tuning of the synth engine. But I liked some music Pat > > Metheney made with the GR300. I just couldn't stand pressing down a > > button to apply vibrato, felt stiff and not very musical. > > > > Per > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 9:05 PM, Dennis Moser > > wrote: > >> > >> Don't we all? > >> > >> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > >> http://audiozoloft.com > >> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Kris Hartung < > krispen.hartung@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> I want a GR300. :) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen > >>> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 12:56 PM > >>> To: Loopers-Delight > >>> Subject: re: best desktop guitar midi interface? > >>> > >>> > >>> I know about no guitar MIDI interface that doesn't lag if playing > >>> synths. But I've heard many say like Krispen, that the Axon is > >>> fastest. But I guess those who still own a used Axon hold on to them > >>> and they might be hard to find. Regarding McLaughlin I assume that he > >>> has learned to play with latency from many concerts on large stages > >>> (where the speaker may have to be far from his playing position - some > >>> five meters distance and you have the same latency as MIDI conversion, > >>> except the annoying fact that MIDI triggering goes slower the lower > >>> notes you play. When I had a MIDI guitar in the eighties I used to > >>> play bass lines high up on the two thinnest strings and set the > >>> guitar's built-in MIDI interface to transpose MIDI Notes down by three > >>> octaves before sending them out to the synth = much faster triggering > >>> that way). > >>> > >>> A way to have no latency is to not use MIDI but play synths directly > >>> with Roland's GR-55 system. The GR-55 can also be used as a MIDI > >>> interface; just plug a USB cable from it into a computer. But the MIDI > >>> stuff will play a bit after the synth notes. > >>> > >>> There's a new Guitar MIDI pickup and wireless MIDI interface soon to > >>> ship; the Fishman TriplePlay. A YouTube video from NAMM here: > >>> http://youtu.be/_nKhlmJ4EeI > >>> > >>> If you're fine with monophonic playing you also have the little Sonus > >>> i2M, review here: > >>> > >>> > http://www.guitarmoderne.com/gear-2/gear-review-sonuus-i2m-synth-musicport > >>> > >>> Greetings from Sweden > >>> > >>> Per Boysen > >>> www.perboysen.com > >>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Luis Angulo > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Hi gang,im thinking of buying a guitar midi interface to trigger > plugins > >>>> and > >>>> software synths but i thought i check with you before i buy > >>>> which one would you recomend or is the best tracking one out here? > >>>> ive been considering a used GI-20 > >>>> thanx! > >>>> > >>>> http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com --f46d04430404f9c0a804c72afbbb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Definitely check out the "Yourock Guitar." It's a toy and mea= nt to work as a game controller for Rock Band, but it's a surprisingly = good musical instrument and the price is right:
http://www.yourockguitar.com/=A0

On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Sylvain Po= itras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com> wrote:
I can vouch for the sonuus I2M: http://sonuus.com/products_i2m_mp_spec.html<= /a>

I use it with my trombone and it works quite well
(sonnus started out with guitars and bass -to-midi adapters, so there
are lots of people using them with those instruments).

The latency specs depend on the note frequency you're playing, as Per pointed out, but it's quite acceptable for the tenor range (less than 17ms).

Sylvain

On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Kris Hartung <krispen.hartung@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think John Abercrombie played one for a while too, right? I liked hi= s
> sound and use of it better than Pat's, especially on his version o= f Stella
> by Starlight.
> I wish Roland would make a reissue, but improved version of the GR300.= Yeah,
> I know...VG..but its different.
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 1:22 PM
> To: Loopers-Del= ight@loopers-delight.com
>
> Subject: Re: best desktop guitar midi interface?
>
> I've played one and did not like the vibrato button. Back when it = was
> produced there wasn't any technology available to make the strings=
> control micro tuning of the synth engine. But I liked some music Pat > Metheney made with the GR300. I just couldn't stand pressing down = a
> button to apply vibrato, felt stiff and not very musical.
>
> Per
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 9:05 PM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Don't we all?
>>
>> http:/= /soundcloud.com/usrsbin
>> http://audioz= oloft.com
>> http= ://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Kris Hartung <krispen.hartung@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I want a GR300. =A0:)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen
>>> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 12:56 PM
>>> To: Loopers-Delight
>>> Subject: re: best desktop guitar midi interface?
>>>
>>>
>>> I know about no guitar MIDI interface that doesn't lag if = playing
>>> synths. But I've heard many say like Krispen, that the Axo= n is
>>> fastest. But I guess those who still own a used Axon hold on t= o them
>>> and they might be hard to find. Regarding McLaughlin I assume = that he
>>> has learned to play with latency from many concerts on large s= tages
>>> (where the speaker may have to be far from his playing positio= n - some
>>> five meters distance and you have the same latency as MIDI con= version,
>>> except the annoying fact that MIDI triggering goes slower the = lower
>>> notes you play. When I had a MIDI guitar in the eighties I use= d to
>>> play bass lines high up on the two thinnest strings and set th= e
>>> guitar's built-in MIDI interface to transpose MIDI Notes d= own by three
>>> octaves before sending them out to the synth =3D much faster t= riggering
>>> that way).
>>>
>>> A way to have no latency is to not use MIDI but play synths di= rectly
>>> with Roland's GR-55 system. The GR-55 can also be used as = a MIDI
>>> interface; just plug a USB cable from it into a computer. But = the MIDI
>>> stuff will play a bit after the synth notes.
>>>
>>> There's a new Guitar MIDI pickup and wireless MIDI interfa= ce soon to
>>> ship; the Fishman TriplePlay. A YouTube video from NAMM here:<= br> >>> http= ://youtu.be/_nKhlmJ4EeI
>>>
>>> If you're fine with monophonic playing you also have the l= ittle Sonus
>>> i2M, review here:
>>>
>>> http://www.guitarmoderne.com/gea= r-2/gear-review-sonuus-i2m-synth-musicport
>>>
>>> Greetings from Sweden
>>>
>>> Per Boysen
>>> www.per= boysen.com
>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Luis Angulo <louie.angulo@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi gang,im thinking of buying a guitar midi interface to t= rigger plugins
>>>> and
>>>> software synths but i thought i check with you before i bu= y
>>>> which one would you recomend or is the best tracking one o= ut here?
>>>> ive been considering a used GI-20
>>>> thanx!
>>>>
>>>> http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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--f46d04430404f9c0a804c72afbbb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 20:01:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EBEE18345E; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 20:01:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <13454570-1A83-4423-A50C-6573C7642820@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--638817501 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: best desktop guitar midi interface? Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:01:26 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 20:01:33 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6--638817501 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I had the shekels this is what i would get: http://www.keithmcmillen.com/stringport/overview The String port is the only available stand alone option on the market that i know of right now that is strictly an interface. I would also get a soft step to control it. I would also set aside enough time to learn both units incredibly deep architecture, a month in hawaii would work. I would also get a Vienna String Suite among other things , cause i loves me some strings, and of course i would need to buy a laptop with enough fire power to make it go I would get a carbon fiber case for my RMC equiped flamenco guitar so I could tour the world as Bill n Strings. on second thought I'll just keep playing with the gear I have:-) Bill --Apple-Mail-6--638817501 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If I had the shekels this is = what i would get:
 The String port is = the only available stand alone option on the market  that i know of = right now that is strictly an interface. I would also get a soft step to = control it.
 I would also set aside enough time to learn =  both units incredibly deep architecture, a month in hawaii would = work. 
 I would also get  a Vienna String Suite = among other things , cause i loves me some strings, and of course i = would need to buy a laptop with enough fire power to make it = go
 I would get a carbon fiber case for my RMC equiped = flamenco guitar so I could tour the world as
 Bill n = Strings.
 on second thought I'll just keep playing with = the gear I have:-)
Bill
= --Apple-Mail-6--638817501-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 20:11:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8516D18345A; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 20:11:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEACFeKVAyaD+h/2dsb2JhbABFugaDJwEBAQMBOEYLC0ZXiCAGpF6UKosSgxWCPGADiE6SWY0x X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,761,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="283161526" X-Originating-IP: [50.104.63.161] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.63.161 Message-Id: <3B6A2286-B0EE-4947-BA94-A598BE7FB50A@frontier.com> From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <84AF0C82-4FB0-46CE-A401-2813AA36513C@mem.li> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Newbie EDP Question Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:10:48 -0500 References: <6CFBDDB4-4802-41D4-B153-31DB75513EB8@frontier.com> <84AF0C82-4FB0-46CE-A401-2813AA36513C@mem.li> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 20:11:19 +0000 (UTC) On Aug 13, 2012, at 2:49 AM, Philipp Z=FCrcher wrote: > Press: Parameter, then Record (Loop/Delay) and choose "LOP" for Loop =20= > instead of "dEL" for Delay. Unfortunately, that didn't do the trick. It was already in LOP mode, =20 so something else is going on. I'll start reading the manual, but if anyone else has any suggestions, =20= I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 20:27:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E524118345C; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 20:27:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Newbie EDP Question From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Philipp_Z=FCrcher?= In-Reply-To: <3B6A2286-B0EE-4947-BA94-A598BE7FB50A@frontier.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:26:59 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <6CFBDDB4-4802-41D4-B153-31DB75513EB8@frontier.com> <84AF0C82-4FB0-46CE-A401-2813AA36513C@mem.li> <3B6A2286-B0EE-4947-BA94-A598BE7FB50A@frontier.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <7mj4bC.A.SPD.aMWKQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 20:27:06 +0000 (UTC) - what software are you running? LoopIV or earlier? - is there anything plugged into the Feedback socket on the rear of your = EDP? - you sure you are in Loop Mode and not Stutter, Flip, or Expert? best Philipp Am 13.08.2012 um 22:10 schrieb Jeff Shirkey: >=20 > On Aug 13, 2012, at 2:49 AM, Philipp Z=FCrcher wrote: >=20 >> Press: Parameter, then Record (Loop/Delay) and choose "LOP" for Loop = instead of "dEL" for Delay. >=20 > Unfortunately, that didn't do the trick. It was already in LOP mode, = so something else is going on. >=20 > I'll start reading the manual, but if anyone else has any suggestions, = I'd appreciate it. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Jeff >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 21:19:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AD56183460; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 21:19:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=mcrG7708ru6BKNmglpEjiG9sMaxxF0tdjVJfJfjDtLA=; b=TkZ7FsdiX1p2mMfKGfvqwZHB3piB+CcVyu76hNgdkWKpuXpaA9ZP9buTaK7AT3XSsq 8p4+03jhypqbgIi9boZ3tQ1MD8/QbSQU4n7gkEkATXT1MPttUhiqfkLFiRScXVuzaqV1 zQgv+F9TTGJGKsNoSmznH2HkOhjLj8Cz7SWnpcv+HMNjjhbHPa3p3fg/gQVy/mVlbAWt FRzfQ3goo7fVn15ZGnldFG0xlGp3YvFkayX6irgPhlv4Y4mepZ+CWegWmS/RoymFNnpP ksysyiUeQur7CtLnTV71+FhRNmvErPHaYAc5JJZ3XD0HZdELVf8FmnGa6S/REkTPReam WwYA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <6CFBDDB4-4802-41D4-B153-31DB75513EB8@frontier.com> <84AF0C82-4FB0-46CE-A401-2813AA36513C@mem.li> <3B6A2286-B0EE-4947-BA94-A598BE7FB50A@frontier.com> From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 23:18:44 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: EhImzN5T2cQr9K3Cm9UIC3SfyWY Message-ID: Subject: Re: Newbie EDP Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b3a7fd65104ac04c72c3e83 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 21:19:05 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b3a7fd65104ac04c72c3e83 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds a little like a hardware problem... Im afraid... maybe a unit reset would help? (hold down parameter button while you boot up) Also I think there maybe be a trimpot to adjust feedback, but that might be a myth... Mark On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 10:26 PM, Philipp Z=FCrcher wrote: > - what software are you running? LoopIV or earlier? > - is there anything plugged into the Feedback socket on the rear of your > EDP? > - you sure you are in Loop Mode and not Stutter, Flip, or Expert? > > best > > Philipp > > Am 13.08.2012 um 22:10 schrieb Jeff Shirkey: > > > > > On Aug 13, 2012, at 2:49 AM, Philipp Z=FCrcher wrote: > > > >> Press: Parameter, then Record (Loop/Delay) and choose "LOP" for Loop > instead of "dEL" for Delay. > > > > Unfortunately, that didn't do the trick. It was already in LOP mode, so > something else is going on. > > > > I'll start reading the manual, but if anyone else has any suggestions, > I'd appreciate it. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jeff > > > > > > --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b3a7fd65104ac04c72c3e83 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds a little like a hardware problem... Im afraid... maybe a unit reset = would help?
(hold down parameter button while you boot up)

Also = I think there maybe be a trimpot to adjust feedback, but that might be a my= th...

Mark

On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 10:26 PM= , Philipp Z=FCrcher <philipp.zuercher@mem.li> wrote:
- what software are you running? LoopIV or earlier?
- is there anything plugged into the Feedback socket on the rear of your ED= P?
- =A0you sure you are in Loop Mode and not Stutter, Flip, or Expert?

best

Philipp

Am 13.08.2012 um 22:10 schrieb Jeff Shirkey:

>
> On Aug 13, 2012, at 2:49 AM, Philipp Z=FCrcher wrote:
>
>> Press: Parameter, then Record (Loop/Delay) and choose "LOP&qu= ot; for Loop instead of "dEL" for Delay.
>
> Unfortunately, that didn't do the trick. It was already in LOP mod= e, so something else is going on.
>
> I'll start reading the manual, but if anyone else has any suggesti= ons, I'd appreciate it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff
>
>




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--047d7b3a7fd65104ac04c72c3e83-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 21:28:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EB7518345B; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 21:28:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 130322.985.bm@omp1024.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1344893293; bh=whVQs7TFuciGACKZt2zEaIvSLc2vLARirdPsz0FkdlQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=zYpp4Y3mqNnmbQsPUJlAV9SylsmDKfavciBJAC2ODY1u5ukjw5Bd08yih3GoNdQ3V5nmnYFsJh3sXHYqkc/lDXTfBkXHW4v+PbTlfnPZo18jr3fCLNVW6BgRHxclvqE0k9nRLyUHWf2cHKwpgTUwCyv5IRFWUL9Mpt5hMw04ra4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=s6QX5P3RX/YH1tMxTQ2dKHMtzf8xFBN33rZgQtWsBDybqZe5xypP3jc/U+3kUVa3VsK1L6RgPn4NQ7hImo6f94AzNbRqyU1/Kr2urPmjX55ttJ8TbkeTC4lfj4vQPeazOHsLKw/DmMUKxrs6bwVE1qIMEBsx5iKoV5i7SP352DE=; X-YMail-OSG: 1RxPYKgVM1lKMM__1ynVX6PsdHMeozVUhyZFzza.V2ikvz. rgB2w3KmnRWRgFhSAV3mccKkKh71jBJ0JrgnpJiWSeL4IcunatQ8Oan4PoKI AI8Bg3KWvcsE9kl.V1tpDbxCowiFxqllsvOLj4.UocCHVW5zUhMPb2W1CHpJ OpcYX_7BQ1mXTI8ybarnBzgrUzIbfsvx6L.jnaS9ql8L.Qozw_p1nGHJSvBt QoUGwVgZwqsBqYnN_tyGpTpAniNpBs64hO5Y96XB9AZNkzThkoHdxi000s0X .8DPLc02ZNZxIlWkWhfIhpKRytTD5ISheZuN17qIJ77NSz.l008F_cDGbsiv VEuNamuTys9hCDcRNKTE4Tv7py_VzUC9swB6dEpR3pxzG7FX2QWljpyGmQS9 db933cvjw.OyFpQYB3Qxwl7tqBH88Ovn9LHyQ28sGMi62BQiO6Uojyl6DJkd zMKxUAkttG._Q6e_3IUZVnHCHJ4HZ3N0qF9LeR0.bFV0oj66YF6RXTnkOElT 4yEW9F1G_1Eco_Tl9KKs- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: <1344882176.90902.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1344893293.62650.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:28:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Reply-To: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: best desktop guitar midi interface? To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1480336445-1888302456-1344893293=:62650" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 21:28:15 +0000 (UTC) ---1480336445-1888302456-1344893293=:62650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wo wo woooow!=0Adont see much info on fishamns website yet,looks awesome th= ough!=0A=0A=0AThere's a new Guitar MIDI pickup and wireless MIDI interface = soon to=0Aship; the Fishman TriplePlay. A YouTube video from NAMM here:=0Ah= ttp://youtu.be/_nKhlmJ4EeI ---1480336445-1888302456-1344893293=:62650 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
wo wo woooow!
dont= see much info on fishamns website yet,looks awesome though!

There's a new Guitar MIDI pickup and wireless MIDI interfac= e soon to
ship; the Fishman TriplePlay. A YouTube video from NAMM here:<= br>http://youtu.b= e/_nKhlmJ4EeI


---1480336445-1888302456-1344893293=:62650-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 21:47:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8FEE183451; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 21:47:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 775769.77187.bm@omp1032.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1344894443; bh=iK6pdtbou91I0tfkrokExvLv9MB2DwnCoYRN/YZVCVs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xsyxsCd0hR2PtvVU1gXDtrmlV3BBWxA671mGgFy1ppplZ+hmYLcV96pnRWWgafjhsg/JAanob0yGBLXsp7Ujv/KEs22Zs1njurWwXRLTRjq3TgSuGeif/XPfKj5fi8rwALuq6V2tHxeSQM7kWMg7Vuty75FVvQZ5kPYrWZXJ+fA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ItC7TmFdW3I5zzStuE2/0HnvNZcqDNNtOVj9vZZva1jdqNpN6Zej8XE+FR18oFt7WsM9s1kK0b974hk2dOIGvWeweNu+q3qUolNVrlKmk6/Xs459pwgwvxJtrtXPPCk7MnNHuVHKIOLNiGCUAQbkM+6sbgY+O+njAh2KifT37wA=; X-YMail-OSG: _D6yUAcVM1m1f6GfKTJowaCBb7KU5PWo3qb1yIgH9DHlOk8 sdmQ4I44F.iydj_5S78hFNAKcc7DHCjVlVlHaZKI4pRxKjByutKJLhjIIaa3 n9meJPEIkyY4x2jmSFPqOkWOawcdzQAz3jtgDfTixYxe1RNOwRKVj5iGuPGe NCZgxZSAWAdXRaKYizG.f7GbuwN4IhUoIBl62spYCn3IozSirXZFnb.ByGRL GW_8glPZEyI93nZ.Omg_uQyI9F6iJfQ54g.YR0ngEifYSMnpsFadIHTpdi9x Dw24f4gnVDPEVbbJQSubKW9g57hyf.UTzVQrWcKmigDcRoOfwoSprmEs8aIn 4Vt6pVXutO4Gg9M4_OVUASQnyFnn_vsNkmlMW_c047iH58Yv.l.74fOUGgMr EsJrmSym78EnkeAB4u1nIuwdDuuHvNUG8YLpcmDXj6pacVPNlYveqDUHXo2l PeC1fYJVgjv0Q9Q3fn_tsxnjk9Z7DyKzN2RUbXnx0L_UFVqEWASCpnORyQMW yM4.KFhsug_Oqdcw8ppm292ljtagKnSvsjEE8v0vr_EkS_khstulaS8PzGJY RSoffNbD5plOIcY3WwWIuKODIgmSVRz37dcvN10nw_82XaL_QQBVhguVES4A QAozq.JDuu_.TRa27CQZyQxIrgWp2lH3Z8_3hGAwPHrjLEbogsD90cDyaoSp Oe1vdoFCnaUSMHnoFogfU8kQM3muL26lP.WvWV_bewDWdEfcFqnzWpNjaLOt BpXWD.b0eqaVEyKmG3caYjbpi_ZiEUbEe1fIPvk4bQ2m6xC5vDsStGABji1u ZumexvUNh0TgotOLoIbS5cfrbQcJEzRQvht48PZ41GkhA37FlEAfcLUn73uc WxOs0s73HxYV7xpCglE.MvqZeTnjDZXb.pTc3IkqXzfYihJxwcpCI9RS_A_2 Vuwu.CC0VbptM5I_joQzId.OGJhays4N0BdmPqFrHXpK25UhfnuuGTwXU3tk rQO2vdP__QV2oj6FsCBC5qoyTZMDX9jlUDbtJVP_l4nxH X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: Message-ID: <1344894443.36860.YahooMailNeo@web120704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:47:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Reply-To: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Great round-up article comparing DAWs To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1167350687-1509111345-1344894443=:36860" Resent-Message-ID: <57hO7B.A.nDE.sXXKQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 21:47:24 +0000 (UTC) --1167350687-1509111345-1344894443=:36860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable that and soundforge!=0A=0A=A0=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A= =0A________________________________=0A From: mark francombe =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Wednesday, Aug= ust 8, 2012 2:04 PM=0ASubject: Re: Great round-up article comparing DAWs=0A= =0A=0AInteresting reading, but no overall score at the end?=0AI feel like = the guy mentioned who changes his DAW more often than Car Oil... (whats tha= t?)=0A=0AI started on PC with Acid, went to Cubase, went back to Acid, move= d to mac, Used Reaper and now Logic... =0A=0AHave to say I miss Acid...=0A= =0AM=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Per Boysen wrote:=0A=0ASince there has been a lot of discussion abut differen= t Digital Audio=0A>Workstations on this list I'd like to recommend those in= terested to=0A>read this excellent article:=0A>=0A>Your DAW: getting engage= d, married, or divorced?=0A>http://www.filmmusicmag.com/?p=3D9865=0A>=0A>Gr= eetings from Sweden=0A>=0A>Per Boysen=0A>www.perboysen.com=0A>http://www.yo= utube.com/perboysen=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A-- =0AMark Francombe=0Awww.markfrancomb= e.com=0Awww.ordoabkhao.com=0Ahttp://vimeo.com/user825094=0Ahttp://www.looop= .no=0Atwitter @markfrancombe=0Ahttp://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --1167350687-1509111345-1344894443=:36860 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
that and s= oundforge!
 
http://www.myspace.com/luisang= ulocom
Fro= m: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.c= om
Sent: Wednesday, A= ugust 8, 2012 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: Great round-up article comparing DAWs

<= div id=3D"yiv519479384">Interesting reading, but no overall score at the en= d?
I feel like the guy mentioned who changes his DAW more often than Car Oil... (whats th= at?)

I started on PC with Acid, went to Cubase, went back to Acid, m= oved to mac, Used Reaper and now Logic...
=0A=0A
Have to say I miss = Acid...

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Since there has been a lot of d= iscussion abut different Digital Audio
=0AWorkstations on this list I'd = like to recommend those interested to
=0Aread this excellent article:=0A
=0AYour DAW: getting engaged, married, or divorced?
=0Ahttp://www.filmmusicmag.com/?p=3D9865
=0A
=0AGreetings from Swed= en
=0A
=0A= Per Boysen
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--1167350687-1509111345-1344894443=:36860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 21:58:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D9AA18345B; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 21:58:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvwEABV3KVAyaD+h/2dsb2JhbABFugqDJwEBAQMBOAJECwtGV4ggBqRblDqLHIMLgjxgA4hOklmNMQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,762,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="283198051" X-Originating-IP: [50.104.63.161] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.63.161 Message-Id: <019DC815-0414-4FDF-9D73-BB73BF8ABC0D@frontier.com> From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Newbie EDP Question Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 16:57:30 -0500 References: <6CFBDDB4-4802-41D4-B153-31DB75513EB8@frontier.com> <84AF0C82-4FB0-46CE-A401-2813AA36513C@mem.li> <3B6A2286-B0EE-4947-BA94-A598BE7FB50A@frontier.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <5H_htC.A.sQE.phXKQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 21:58:01 +0000 (UTC) > Sounds a little like a hardware problem... Im afraid... maybe a unit > reset would help? > (hold down parameter button while you boot up) Would a unit reset be a good idea anyway, since I got the unit used? It was advertised as being in mint condition, and cosmetically it is. But maybe a reset would be a good idea to clear out any settings that the prior owner made that I'm not aware of? Or, let's put it differently. Is there any drawback to doing a reset? I think I sorted out my problem, though. It might have been a feedback knob issue. After I made sure the Parameter/Record setting was LOP, I didn't set the feedback knob to 100%. I left it where it had been previously, which was maybe 60% or so. Now my first loop seems to maintain its volume and not diminish at all. Here's the thing, though. I have another EDP just like this one, and the feedback knob on it is not set to 100%, but the loop volume remains constant. Maybe I should do factory resets on both units and start from scratch? Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 22:00:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79C5818345E; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:00:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=5oBx2RkWdkaSwgFDh4TmXHQ9IYcdwREpjVqp5vOJhGo=; b=lYvBqHRN70cOBRdge96EIMRBpA3AeybCUlZMIREJZ1dFXJ/69NjNWZeOlvuZR+Xy5z 0BEEiDNo1AGhDeD+BK5wAX9U1lNuD3TBawDcrYSiLoc+wMFzr9RaeZ+dHlyC4H3GSj6d vQJ9I7tdx9UpGTvtGVfosBRWlZV1tGMHqVufn2uqPmXOYHyh6gfh92PmEw0Cno/d1xDM pz9oARKVA47Nu9woy+kjvfAbA8OQYUUlazV04WcXIp0lw+DLwFZO8fcaYy6k7PvIPWNE ZYJSUlpR8yxtxX97CXuKSPzNnHOAzPxjlTu7WvOikn3QLhdh4lUIYbBP63Ue+clzZsxd 801g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <019DC815-0414-4FDF-9D73-BB73BF8ABC0D@frontier.com> References: <6CFBDDB4-4802-41D4-B153-31DB75513EB8@frontier.com> <84AF0C82-4FB0-46CE-A401-2813AA36513C@mem.li> <3B6A2286-B0EE-4947-BA94-A598BE7FB50A@frontier.com> <019DC815-0414-4FDF-9D73-BB73BF8ABC0D@frontier.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:00:44 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Newbie EDP Question From: Phil Clevenger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04430404510db104c72cd3e5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:00:46 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04430404510db104c72cd3e5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Those knobs can be really dodgy. Nice that you got it sorted. But I'd work those params via MIDI controller instead, on both units... may find a reset is not needed at all :) On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > Sounds a little like a hardware problem... Im afraid... maybe a unit >> reset would help? >> (hold down parameter button while you boot up) >> > > Would a unit reset be a good idea anyway, since I got the unit used? It > was advertised as being in mint condition, and cosmetically it is. But > maybe a reset would be a good idea to clear out any settings that the prior > owner made that I'm not aware of? > > Or, let's put it differently. Is there any drawback to doing a reset? > > I think I sorted out my problem, though. It might have been a feedback > knob issue. After I made sure the Parameter/Record setting was LOP, I > didn't set the feedback knob to 100%. I left it where it had been > previously, which was maybe 60% or so. Now my first loop seems to maintain > its volume and not diminish at all. > > Here's the thing, though. I have another EDP just like this one, and the > feedback knob on it is not set to 100%, but the loop volume remains > constant. > > Maybe I should do factory resets on both units and start from scratch? > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > --f46d04430404510db104c72cd3e5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Those knobs can be really dodgy. Nice that you got it sorted. But I'd w= ork those params via MIDI controller instead, on both units... may find a r= eset is not needed at all :)

On Mon, Aug = 13, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Jeff Shirkey <jcshirke@frontier.com> wrote:

Sounds a little like a hardware problem... Im afraid... maybe a unit reset = would help?
(hold down parameter button while you boot up)

Would a unit reset be a good idea anyway, since I got the unit used? It was= advertised as being in mint condition, and cosmetically it is. But maybe a= reset would be a good idea to clear out any settings that the prior owner = made that I'm not aware of?

Or, let's put it differently. Is there any drawback to doing a reset?
I think I sorted out my problem, though. It might have been a feedback knob= issue. After I made sure the Parameter/Record setting was LOP, I didn'= t set the feedback knob to 100%. I left it where it had been previously, wh= ich was maybe 60% or so. Now my first loop seems to maintain its volume and= not diminish at all.

Here's the thing, though. I have another EDP just like this one, and th= e feedback knob on it is not set to 100%, but the loop volume remains const= ant.

Maybe I should do factory resets on both units and start from scratch?

Thanks,

Jeff


--f46d04430404510db104c72cd3e5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 22:11:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9E5A18345A; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:11:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=8UDqySj+BX1w/tfSIO+/SX/SfxbtcV/1gWuW3kyhk5o=; b=GL2hoQgLSHsD6J53qw2jHBtLg9Br083hXkdjoqlJVI19XUCVwj6Eky6ijlET3vHFRE DGsNiHA+qAlh3hyVjQ4TR1dT3j/a2IRGscMj5jU3XgPd7AonD1Z9b3DtrH1x/mgD2k3L 1NDztaRhbgkszZNq9sdl2ZR5lhjb9IltuaIf1452M4cKaYFjOJkEjno2WW5uRY2HYCyc 2nKSytJyKDJbQZbAwW+BgWDFFmhxVvbVkLb/3KMgCu6OaYM8Ga/DrUL2SG+LPnkRzpGa Xo+YVrWArF38mzbeTZk3ArBpE9+4zKkJCG6RPQzFP1L7iRNoyOYYFs8hyUEYtlAiBsUU P2vA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <6CFBDDB4-4802-41D4-B153-31DB75513EB8@frontier.com> <84AF0C82-4FB0-46CE-A401-2813AA36513C@mem.li> <3B6A2286-B0EE-4947-BA94-A598BE7FB50A@frontier.com> <019DC815-0414-4FDF-9D73-BB73BF8ABC0D@frontier.com> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 00:11:12 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: taXaPeEPwPysCgFGQYw7yVtY9hI Message-ID: Subject: Re: Newbie EDP Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b66f1cdf2218c04c72cf985 Resent-Message-ID: <1IDwdB.A.zhE.VuXKQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:11:33 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b66f1cdf2218c04c72cf985 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Firstly, reset is fine, and ok thing to do, unless you have some presets set already, which I dont think you do right? I have to admit I dont like the RESET mode, personally cos Insert is set to well.. insert... and thats not something I do much.. but its not drastic really. Remember the the Feedback knob can be used for many things, like setting the 8th setting, (after hitting parameter>multiply) or BPM (after hitting undo in reset)... so the fact that its not at 100% doesnt mean it WONT do 100% feedback... it might... BUT... give it a wiggle, and set it to full on.. THAT should now be 100% feedback. When I was starting out with EDP, I often got a bit lost and doing the reset helped alot... its not like you are deleting patches... Although I do suggest that a better approach is to learn how to save a preset, and when you think its all working nice, save it as a preset. then if you get in a mess, you can just load the preset (instead of doing a factory reset)... For example... try Sampler Style One, stutter mode and more loops = 6.. and tell you you DONT get confused by what its doing... THATS when you need a factory reset... -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b66f1cdf2218c04c72cf985 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Firstly,=A0 reset is fine, and ok thing to do, unless you have some presets= set already, which I dont think you do right?
I have to admit I dont li= ke the RESET mode, personally cos Insert is set to well.. insert... and tha= ts not something I do much.. but its not drastic really.

Remember the the Feedback knob can be used for many things, like settin= g the 8th setting, (after hitting parameter>multiply) or BPM (after hitt= ing undo in reset)... so the fact that its not at 100% doesnt mean it WONT = do 100% feedback... it might... BUT... give it a wiggle, and set it to full= on.. THAT should now be 100% feedback.

When I was starting out with EDP, I often got a bit lost and doing the = reset helped alot... its not like you are deleting patches... Although I do= suggest that a better approach is to learn how to save a preset, and when = you think its all working nice, save it as a preset. then if you get in a m= ess, you can just load the preset (instead of doing a factory reset)...

For example... try Sampler Style One, stutter mode and more loops =3D 6= .. and tell you you DONT get confused by what its doing... THATS when you n= eed a factory reset...


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www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
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--047d7b66f1cdf2218c04c72cf985-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 22:14:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57B0D18345B; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:14:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=OxAv4g1gt26Ej/Oor5aFSrOKWxtqBRgerjDm8FNRdFY=; b=VfxNdDKSN9g8hTl+k472G9Jv6uCWgD4sBxr6DPvYaQcv9+GK2uM4Fiqd10l3oinIeP miuBrCytv1A2isEXSXb9XK5u0peGZc8egg5Y8iphCeGHbzSxCkPymtRpi7EumGkHO0Ls jPWZPIPJHPALtAUL+lGFEwGbeNC2A4XwnxAAkFHAa3VIqTA/kZ8zN3VXs0IbDhukMt9U m2pSAxJwPE4fEzb8YppWCABDVQ0QonHHXC+qeAUN7g4FiUbeS1e8Fhph5W5WKDlL+mno D64tJs68Oldk7Q8wbS3tW0Cgl6hkypeRnosJOCcV9E98a2euUcnpwh8/wJ2RDT0ckbiU 6/qA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 00:14:00 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: r_nkUChbM_eDoGB_FQ5mqwFG47o Message-ID: Subject: Setting EDP 8th setting via midi To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b66f1cdeee92504c72d03a7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:14:21 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b66f1cdeee92504c72d03a7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 While Im here.. is there anyway to do this? Apart from making lots of different presets? Im now selecting presets via iPad >> missing link, but Id also like to change the 8ths setting on the fly.... currently Im rather nimble at the old param/mult combo, but a quick swipe over a touch screen is sexier! Mark -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b66f1cdeee92504c72d03a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While Im here.. is there anyway to do this? Apart from making lots of diffe= rent presets?
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--047d7b66f1cdeee92504c72d03a7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 23:11:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EA7418345C; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 23:11:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=67JChSVPz+hL+A3wkbFH/bAQ4oUaRrLOufax5rLKABc=; b=Xuvx2oJgAMo01LC6UgjuwMgxTxp4HGm/CVVimGeVutkaegAKYOqMUCaxmCaZ5UF1ft 16y+wOeakgk6u60IMZhFSUAz+rrQMlwbzvNLpElVZi+zuK3UtDa655b+qGuk7hAebYho FoxMv9hBIj1mtrXJcy3YA4KmbL/aBGOMFCW/kpjYKrR47NudBd765lUdj2eq97fYotb5 JXflTVRB0eN8ojK4jmTDKmTsnaI2ErVsPf4qx6O0Ot98gf+dIWJxxdr3yEvDKh61OBMS mFQcYAUHuTr5rkcapjNH558I4ffiPNZu+bUxBNtfsA5vGrg+f1T3H5o9UP5PgGg6DV+8 Ct7A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 16:11:25 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: How often do you practice live looping? From: "kay'lon rushing" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044481d71367ce04c72dd0bb Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 23:11:26 +0000 (UTC) --f46d044481d71367ce04c72dd0bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Just curious if I'm the only one that hardly ever practices. I know I should, but my mind always has a "I need to get this done first" attitude so I rarely ever get to it accept when its time to upload a new video. --f46d044481d71367ce04c72dd0bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

Just curious if I'm the only one that hardly ever practices. I know I should, but my mind always has a "I need to get this done first" attitude so I rarely ever get to it accept when its time to upload a new video.

--f46d044481d71367ce04c72dd0bb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 23:36:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1D4A18345E; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 23:36:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=vN0DdcCGjzZx83toZNK7R9laznYZKi1kqlFTFkZQ5q0=; b=p992clIea19Q74wx2/tMEOMwi/6vzlP49gn4LD1vewzPCVzHnLcZ7tewJzmzibx5RL aCTup7chSRe9F6rrcHyALSt/xKITxe33BGOI/49oQ9ObQLnMfeLAvngPQw6vLbWrBCp4 el2TRGRKvrX1QXo7mt9iI7ln44NsDVE9wwOjGJ653JoQUZ7o0OemLNFNJ7gfN18pcWZg w9cpQ5E0rHKZDWWTg/K7Pp3ieebjgke3fUQSauw88W3fDEYwg5s1ebSWL/ldzf/12ob5 h7k+XbncSQA8U8Yq02iEk6pOv32M0zAkxbrMp5GOedqwt77EqgstwzA/E6+h54NKT+Wd C7tg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 16:36:56 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How often do you practice live looping? From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 23:36:57 +0000 (UTC) I don't practice, I just play. Kevin On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:11 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > Just curious if I'm the only one that hardly ever practices. I know I > should, but my mind always has a "I need to get this done first" attitude so > I rarely ever get to it accept when its time to upload a new video. -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 00:11:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7962C183451; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 00:11:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 867 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 00:11:54 UTC X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=CufVw2+0gtfE9+RNAARwt/po8Q2Hled54usNwI0Imps= c=1 sm=2 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=njzuMZrSAAAA:8 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=OUXYneDTAAAA:8 a=jNndk83vlVItTLCMe-IA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CjE2TInhgzkA:10 a=24KXSABESvcA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=053Au2P4wpAA:10 a=ePxQ4r2ooV3NvKeixmMA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 172.218.152.1 From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--624667364 Subject: Google+ Hangouts Studio Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 16:57:16 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: <16F4D1E9-6357-4F4A-A270-B5C6B4DEA3CA@glasswing.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 00:11:54 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--624667364 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Pretty cool. Check it out: http://techcrunch.com/2012/08/13/google-hangouts-studio-mode/ And listen to the sound sample at the end of the article. richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.goodnaturefarms.com --Apple-Mail-1--624667364 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii htt= p://techcrunch.com/2012/08/13/google-hangouts-studio-mode/
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= --Apple-Mail-1--624667364-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 00:36:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33AB118345B; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 00:36:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=EiBIn1zoEepalqi6PdPyZrN24czWKt5xUNbLkm5b1Ag=; b=OU0CaoqR/vbM9yk6VX5ZUmE7sHeYDL9kVTn6TRWZAK2it07zGo5M+e006eE7DM+ZLi al89I4IYrqj6dGUztcvKuQtyj3OZDpd1EZVHR/Tt5I5qmJvHwf6qCPPcE+jAAQuWYadk vP2MHrbWU0T8s3zm6zQK2F9/Za0as4G0TlHevBR51g3HYF4yCjC2UMH/BXfkA0DnDsou 5+tcUmfc4G3KzD3IHOru7aX3LZuxh17Z6Ueii+ZuRjXSSMg5GwLnPQox5RtJ3BS9hQfD TOVacdh+3hWj7f6fjKa5PxFso0F+L2nMhj18RCycf7alNXhM1oIO55nQMdvTafhJ5j/A s/Hw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 17:36:05 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How often do you practice live looping? From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f50311add666304c72efe0a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 00:36:06 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f50311add666304c72efe0a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm recently learning that I don't practice nearly enough. It wasn't bad when I had shows once or twice a month - at that point, if I practiced too, I probably would've pushed myself into typical matt-isms. Lately, but it's been a few months now I can see how my skill has atrophied. I had a practice session last night for an upcoming duo performance. I warmed up ok after about 20 minutes, but apparently I was also out of practice in having an intelligent discussion about the kind of improvisation I'd like to aim for. I felt sorry for the poor lady who was trying to understand what I was after. Frowny face emoticon. If you want to have success at what you're doing, keep practicing and keep challenging yourself! -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > I don't practice, I just play. > > Kevin > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:11 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > > Just curious if I'm the only one that hardly ever practices. I know I > > should, but my mind always has a "I need to get this done first" > attitude so > > I rarely ever get to it accept when its time to upload a new video. > > > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > > --e89a8f50311add666304c72efe0a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm recently learning that I don't practice nearly enough. It wasn&= #39;t bad when I had shows once or twice a month - at that point, if I prac= ticed too, I probably would've pushed myself into typical matt-isms. La= tely, but it's been a few months now I can see how my skill has atrophi= ed.

I had a practice session last night for an upcoming duo performance. I = warmed up ok after about 20 minutes, but apparently I was also out of pract= ice in having an intelligent discussion about the kind of improvisation I&#= 39;d like to aim for. I felt sorry for the poor lady who was trying to unde= rstand what I was after.

Frowny face emoticon.

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On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando <= billowhead@gmail.= com> wrote:
I don't practice, I just play.

Kevin

On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:11 PM, kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:
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= --506312955-669096971-1344907363=:59820-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 04:07:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 547B918345B; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 04:07:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Ed Durbrow Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_EEF9FC5B-FD95-42C6-9C12-0062AE458877" Subject: Re: best desktop guitar midi interface? Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:07:31 +0900 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <1344882176.90902.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1B898C33FE5B4B648C273E82AD765846@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-Id: <9FBA7095-D306-48F9-B7C0-CF3DBC7C3295@sea.plala.or.jp> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa01b; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:07:32 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 04:07:36 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_EEF9FC5B-FD95-42C6-9C12-0062AE458877 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 You could say the same about the Yamaha EZ EG. When I saw the lights, I = knew I had to have one. On Aug 14, 2012, at 4:48 AM, Art Simon wrote: > Definitely check out the "Yourock Guitar." It's a toy and meant to = work as a game controller for Rock Band, but it's a surprisingly good = musical instrument and the price is right: > http://www.yourockguitar.com/=20 Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=3Dwatch http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp --Apple-Mail=_EEF9FC5B-FD95-42C6-9C12-0062AE458877 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 You = could say the same about the Yamaha EZ EG. When I saw the lights, I knew = I had to have one.

On Aug 14, 2012, at 4:48 AM, Art = Simon wrote:

Definitely = check out the "Yourock Guitar." It's a toy and meant to work as a game = controller for Rock Band, but it's a surprisingly good musical = instrument and the price is right:

= --Apple-Mail=_EEF9FC5B-FD95-42C6-9C12-0062AE458877-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 04:51:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88D5118345C; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 04:51:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=R6yWHddJ4jLfSbj73wKqsZUQD0EdF8ccOHxk5mS7UIk=; b=Ba4E/vS2TtqeWGhsXNXUwLqMDdDWIQV/n7PKsUqEj1rMlKYN8EblF82URG/YFT0gQj svvjyNZzyjUQpM0vWt8Lc+LfPGaflafvBvplICLHB9IHbpstj2w5MVv0g4HnvWpXJWsa 8pBcbKLYA3ifFiJrjUeqzwMScxScRMHUiJgKFAVdThgUenBtIT52isGSr2Hez1XLCTb8 VFm9CyR+ky2mWmXnUNm3Q/0Ew+OQHhsx4bNqLdzQu4gLMQC/x7QuCBwX5Icwl1bux3eR BAooF6iDi6OHtn4MDRJuoeRhU9yTafw8rioKnH9LYCpY0mCX8iogXsrq+KMOcf7vNtoS XjIg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 21:51:18 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How often do you practice live looping? From: Monzelle Dozier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b2e4b2c9b567504c7328f96 Resent-Message-ID: <2D2KKB.A.5hH.HldKQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 04:51:19 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b2e4b2c9b567504c7328f96 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I like to put distance in between sessions. Like my herb, I like it consistently but not non-stop... I appreciate my time with it more that way. I'd say as of lately, 2-3 times a week. And when I say lately I mean, the first time in over a month ;) On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > I'm recently learning that I don't practice nearly enough. It wasn't bad > when I had shows once or twice a month - at that point, if I practiced too, > I probably would've pushed myself into typical matt-isms. Lately, but it's > been a few months now I can see how my skill has atrophied. > > I had a practice session last night for an upcoming duo performance. I > warmed up ok after about 20 minutes, but apparently I was also out of > practice in having an intelligent discussion about the kind of > improvisation I'd like to aim for. I felt sorry for the poor lady who was > trying to understand what I was after. > > Frowny face emoticon. > > If you want to have success at what you're doing, keep practicing and keep > challenging yourself! > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando > wrote: > >> I don't practice, I just play. >> >> Kevin >> >> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:11 PM, kay'lon rushing >> wrote: >> > Just curious if I'm the only one that hardly ever practices. I know I >> > should, but my mind always has a "I need to get this done first" >> attitude so >> > I rarely ever get to it accept when its time to upload a new video. >> >> >> >> -- >> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a >> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. >> >> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >> >> Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org >> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >> >> > > > > > --047d7b2e4b2c9b567504c7328f96 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I like to put distance in between sessions. Like my herb, I like it consist= ently but not non-stop... I appreciate my time with it more that way. I'= ;d say as of lately, 2-3 times a week. And when I say lately I mean, the fi= rst time in over a month ;)



On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Mat= t Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm recently learning that I don't practice nearly enough. It wasn&= #39;t bad when I had shows once or twice a month - at that point, if I prac= ticed too, I probably would've pushed myself into typical matt-isms. La= tely, but it's been a few months now I can see how my skill has atrophi= ed.

I had a practice session last night for an upcoming duo performance. I = warmed up ok after about 20 minutes, but apparently I was also out of pract= ice in having an intelligent discussion about the kind of improvisation I&#= 39;d like to aim for. I felt sorry for the poor lady who was trying to unde= rstand what I was after.

Frowny face emoticon.

If you want to have success at what you= 9;re doing, keep practicing and keep challenging yourself!

--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusi= c.com
Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com


On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando <= billowhead@gmail.= com> wrote:
I don't practice, I just play.

Kevin

On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:11 PM, kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just curious if I'm the only one that hardly ever practices. I kno= w I
> should, but my mind always has a "I need to get this done first&q= uot; attitude so
> I rarely ever get to it accept when its time to upload a new video.


--
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.<= br>
- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision: =A0http://www.minds-eye.org
Video = http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos







--047d7b2e4b2c9b567504c7328f96-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 09:00:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 827BB18345A; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 09:00:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_9d9aef01-5491-4620-a06a-d9d924b70fb9_" X-Originating-IP: [217.92.117.212] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: First experiments! Feedback needed :) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 09:00:23 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2012 09:00:24.0117 (UTC) FILETIME=[3D9E9E50:01CD79FB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 09:00:25 +0000 (UTC) --_9d9aef01-5491-4620-a06a-d9d924b70fb9_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello hello! So=2C I have so few free time but I did my best to try out the Boomerang II= I.As said=2C I found it a bit limited (I would like a time strech=2C a pitc= h change=2C and a pause function as main improvements). But still interesti= ng. I have some recordings ready to share but please consider that they are not= finished works=2C actually they are not works at all=2C they are just expe= riments made quickly to play with the Rang.Then I recorded them with a Cuba= se Light Edition so=2C all is very limited=2C naive and a bit static=2C but= I am too excited and I want to share them! :) Feel free to comment and to suggest what could be improved (and how):http:/= /soundcloud.com/ser_yo/sets/first-experiments Thanks! = --_9d9aef01-5491-4620-a06a-d9d924b70fb9_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello hello!

So=2C I have so few free time but I did my = best to try out the Boomerang III.
As said=2C I found it a bit li= mited (I would like a time strech=2C a pitch change=2C and a pause function= as main improvements). But still interesting.

I h= ave some recordings ready to share but please consider that they are not fi= nished works=2C actually they are not works at all=2C they are just experim= ents made quickly to play with the Rang.
Then I recorded them wit= h a Cubase Light Edition so=2C all is very limited=2C naive and a bit stati= c=2C but I am too excited and I want to share them! :)

=
Feel free to comment and to suggest what could be improved (and how):<= /div>

Thanks!
= --_9d9aef01-5491-4620-a06a-d9d924b70fb9_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 10:13:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3F6618345C; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 10:13:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=vGfYJevzzN9jip2lcJjcBfLiYVfaYSsXFf6tzxWCPe0=; b=lhaZz4HQYrycgJ2voWSEhM4LmdTvWCEHYufXwtUKC1cchSzUNAqf8E0xh2CddXpRta ru+yiKI7wocUU4dH/s5ow6fZUJLFBRWDwUjzXyXdkY+1kzdXgsRkceHLlrWhauyjMTs0 1um4DIGM4MdnHnzU9d5OQaPxYAGaYswCtguKI0L8m4UZmpx/tGUjn8FVEqhzY1lVn/Am grwXbVEDeje67EjFsVcJf+hDk2m5sGJGV9wks7OjejImlYX9usl2Pyv/EUUGoGAdyxEw tYvdFGlnhvh9ZoBOXA3oyKyMd0FzmWjyHbVwdsU5isOHEOI8vMGoCUVF08jMxQ1B79wh XSgQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 12:13:08 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Setting EDP 8th setting via midi From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 10:13:09 +0000 (UTC) I remember from a previous EDP driven life that I was fighting with that and found it wasn't possible so I had to use MID Program Change events to switch between programs in the EDP, each program then set up with a different 8th value. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:14 AM, mark francombe wrote: > While Im here.. is there anyway to do this? Apart from making lots of > different presets? > Im now selecting presets via iPad >> missing link, but Id also like to > change the 8ths setting on the fly.... currently Im rather nimble at the old > param/mult combo, but a quick swipe over a touch screen is sexier! > > Mark > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 11:11:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97E0318345B; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 11:11:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=6zFRrNMlwfmD3FVBI4b7D8NaB3jMkdiFjyWq/+qRiDg=; b=X468i1+lEnJFfzRpGGTL1y8gqtU8Q/W+3loo+t79bR+XTKBBW7HJg4YH1zXc50Bh91 K86DDAKp0by8SksoloikFxwr3WnJFmLFG8vSdVAuZT5HJbJS14bJIr8XNDT62NqH16N+ fQNBm+7PAXCSyOqmpljHAixWuevmObS3zeI6s2XJc5EjywAhT7a5f3p326otUesvyW+o AMQ3usQc/V7xJN1uZvH5MsF/z3Vn1HdtfoBCd3W2gjgJv1YfUwJXLTp6UxE41F3le3SR 8nq5WqUixBwxk9RNKbSlmADwJ8OjgOSKUgXQVDWCVpUokio6Q/G+hCVNAYKFqAMVnpQS 0hNQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <16F4D1E9-6357-4F4A-A270-B5C6B4DEA3CA@glasswing.com> References: <16F4D1E9-6357-4F4A-A270-B5C6B4DEA3CA@glasswing.com> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:11:06 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Google+ Hangouts Studio From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 11:11:07 +0000 (UTC) Yes, pretty cool indeed ;-) The "Studio Mode On" sounds like adding a bit of MS matrix-like mastering. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 1:57 AM, richard sales wrote: > Pretty cool. Check it out: > > http://techcrunch.com/2012/08/13/google-hangouts-studio-mode/ > > And listen to the sound sample at the end of the article. > richard sales > www.glasswing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.goodnaturefarms.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 14:57:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AC6718345C; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:57:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_ef41dc60-d82f-44ed-ad7a-efe854ad9fb1_" X-Originating-IP: [217.92.117.212] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: I need a looper which can do this. Does it exist or should I give up? Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:57:36 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2012 14:57:37.0383 (UTC) FILETIME=[24D77770:01CD7A2D] Resent-Message-ID: <-9wOD.A.44D.idmKQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:57:38 +0000 (UTC) --_ef41dc60-d82f-44ed-ad7a-efe854ad9fb1_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello! I have experimented with the Boomerang for a while.Contrarily to what some = said=2C I feel I already reached its limitations very soon.At least for wha= t I want to do (which is a sort of real time dj producing=2C where it is cr= ucial the possibility to quickly create and quickly start/stop/pause/mute d= ifferent sample/loops=2C effect them=2C time stretch them=2C pitch variate = them=2C etc).I do not know if the mythical octatrack can be the solution bu= t no way that I will buy it unless I sell half of what I bought.Or maybe I = could add to my setup a korg Microsampler (it seems that it can time stretc= h=2C and that it can split a sample across the keyboard so that with each k= ey the sample play at a different note).I would not like to use pc/software= for live looping because it will be a creative process=2C I will not just = play loops=2C I will improvise music=2C create it in real time.Maybe I am t= oo perfectionist.But I wonder what do I need.I will try to give you an idea= . Think about techno=2C minimal=2C electro music. Music with both repetitiv= e parts but also quick variations of these repetitions.It does not mean tha= t I want to do only that kind of music (even if often now I find myself doi= ng that music=2C with beatbox and the looper). But just to give you an idea= of what I need to reach. Can anybody help me in understanding which setup can let me do that?I reall= y would not like to use PC/software for a real time live creative improvisa= tion process unless it can be easier and more effective. Thanks a lot! = --_ef41dc60-d82f-44ed-ad7a-efe854ad9fb1_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello!

I have experimented with the Boomerang for a whil= e.
Contrarily to what some said=2C I feel I already reached its l= imitations very soon.
At least for what I want to do (which is a = sort of real time dj producing=2C where it =3Bis crucial =3Bthe= possibility to quickly create and quickly start/stop/pause/mute different = sample/loops=2C effect them=2C time stretch them=2C pitch variate them=2C e= tc).
I do not know if the mythical octatrack can be the so= lution but no way that I will buy it unless I sell half of what I bought.
Or maybe I could add to my setup a korg Microsampler (it seems tha= t it can time stretch=2C and that it can split a sample across the keyboard= so that with each key the sample play at a different note).
I wo= uld not like to use pc/software for live looping because it will be a creat= ive process=2C I will not just play loops=2C I will improvise music=2C crea= te it in real time.
Maybe I am too perfectionist.
But I= wonder what do I need.
I will try to give you an idea. Think abo= ut techno=2C minimal=2C electro music. Music with both repetitive parts but= also quick variations of these repetitions.
It does not mean tha= t I want to do only that kind of music (even if often now I find myself doi= ng that music=2C with beatbox and the looper). But just to give you an idea= of what I need to reach.

Can anybody help me in u= nderstanding which setup can let me do that?
I really would not l= ike to use PC/software for a real time live creative improvisation process = unless it can be easier and more effective.

Thanks= a lot!
= --_ef41dc60-d82f-44ed-ad7a-efe854ad9fb1_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 15:06:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C35BA18345C; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:06:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=O2Dd4P9DIEhTJsIDRpVc2IrYEE3f8JvfPh+VSDAghGE=; b=X92KtFzvZp8LhS1TU1w6n4V1y8QHrAsVVfnNqGHkAGUiFNTAm67isBjLZRhQ7qWdio +v2XWg2/EcQd520d2bDe6C16sd+WnguJuXoQBivhp8tlhoLstDUBGo5pikDs0xkT+QZF KmyywJicW5XuzjBZOSvpQTsKP7Hb9VsSTZwk1GyKBEBv1qSSPDSd4RTiwYklLOFAnUK8 DdCE/UuykA+XmXpLj5iMCz9hNBtLbAvq0Jdys1A3eDHzN9pWtYKJ5lFoTRZO8YVoTXl7 4WZsKpiQYwrYFCN6AzTbzu9xX+WiuzzqEiw11XgBQ9z8sxpzpcLNcg3OCeix969tw1pw TrGQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 16:06:39 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: I need a looper which can do this. Does it exist or should I give up? From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:06:40 +0000 (UTC) the ocatrack may be what you are looking for. hopefully anders will chip in and offer some help On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Sergio G wrote: > Hello! > > I have experimented with the Boomerang for a while. > Contrarily to what some said, I feel I already reached its limitations very > soon. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 15:28:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58F5C18345E; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:28:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:importance:x-mailer :x-mimeole; bh=8cgyacRns5zCibab2cnoJJYzLs8R1bqX4WRKd5gohJs=; b=jUmW7nbTMJ5geZhwTwrUN6uB1hgzd+/BUwhnDcMFJ9izsUU8bICV4QjPtoBlA0M2HO H1gY+uZcupw/9noT025SmDxieNEALWIB/ECfnnTLrc1FzjaiY7C860kDJp4+pAevrxEL s4aMtcu/jtDLOs7eRxGId6kbjsUqLOFdIuzmFahGLV8KGgp8ZYDgoSYGsFN0U9fcafIR R+JpAOTn7UJgnSZfllbzvN0yJANxuZ3hpO+VhJgrbzvCcaqV54dE/1O/ZqleoJJtBD7u koa+xcl2TacFxr55cled87CaDFFtsvZrs4OiwIPw3m2Xe7tSS0OVYHSt6DnO4DsJok83 s02g== Message-ID: From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: I need a looper which can do this. Does it exist or should I give up? Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 09:28:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_053B_01CD79FF.2279C740" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:28:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_053B_01CD79FF.2279C740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Max/msp. If you have the time. From: Sergio G=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 8:57 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: I need a looper which can do this. Does it exist or should I = give up? Hello!=20 I have experimented with the Boomerang for a while. Contrarily to what some said, I feel I already reached its limitations = very soon. At least for what I want to do (which is a sort of real time dj = producing, where it is crucial the possibility to quickly create and = quickly start/stop/pause/mute different sample/loops, effect them, time = stretch them, pitch variate them, etc). I do not know if the mythical octatrack can be the solution but no way = that I will buy it unless I sell half of what I bought. Or maybe I could add to my setup a korg Microsampler (it seems that it = can time stretch, and that it can split a sample across the keyboard so = that with each key the sample play at a different note). I would not like to use pc/software for live looping because it will be = a creative process, I will not just play loops, I will improvise music, = create it in real time. Maybe I am too perfectionist. But I wonder what do I need. I will try to give you an idea. Think about techno, minimal, electro = music. Music with both repetitive parts but also quick variations of = these repetitions. It does not mean that I want to do only that kind of music (even if = often now I find myself doing that music, with beatbox and the looper). = But just to give you an idea of what I need to reach. Can anybody help me in understanding which setup can let me do that? I really would not like to use PC/software for a real time live creative = improvisation process unless it can be easier and more effective. Thanks a lot! ------=_NextPart_000_053B_01CD79FF.2279C740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Max/msp.  If you have the time.
 
From: Sergio G
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 8:57 AM
Subject: I need a looper which can do this. Does it exist or = should=20 I give up?
 
Hello!=20
 
I have experimented with the Boomerang for a while.
Contrarily to what some said, I feel I already reached its = limitations very=20 soon.
At least for what I want to do (which is a sort of real time dj = producing,=20 where it is crucial the possibility to quickly create and quickly=20 start/stop/pause/mute different sample/loops, effect them, time stretch = them,=20 pitch variate them, etc).
I do not know if the mythical octatrack can be the solution but no = way that=20 I will buy it unless I sell half of what I bought.
Or maybe I could add to my setup a korg Microsampler (it seems that = it can=20 time stretch, and that it can split a sample across the keyboard so that = with=20 each key the sample play at a different note).
I would not like to use pc/software for live looping because it = will be a=20 creative process, I will not just play loops, I will improvise music, = create it=20 in real time.
Maybe I am too perfectionist.
But I wonder what do I need.
I will try to give you an idea. Think about techno, minimal, = electro music.=20 Music with both repetitive parts but also quick variations of these=20 repetitions.
It does not mean that I want to do only that kind of music (even if = often=20 now I find myself doing that music, with beatbox and the looper). But = just to=20 give you an idea of what I need to reach.
 
Can anybody help me in understanding which setup can let me do = that?
I really would not like to use PC/software for a real time live = creative=20 improvisation process unless it can be easier and more effective.
 
Thanks a lot!
------=_NextPart_000_053B_01CD79FF.2279C740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 15:59:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D111518345E; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 300 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:59:11 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c4bdf9c5-75c6-4fda-a9d2-e5dfde55cabd_" X-Originating-IP: [213.249.138.26] From: phillip wilson To: "loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Congratulations to Bill Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:54:09 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <6CFBDDB4-4802-41D4-B153-31DB75513EB8@frontier.com>,<84AF0C82-4FB0-46CE-A401-2813AA36513C@mem.li> <3B6A2286-B0EE-4947-BA94-A598BE7FB50A@frontier.com>, ,<019DC815-0414-4FDF-9D73-BB73BF8ABC0D@frontier.com> , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2012 15:54:10.0231 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B22FC70:01CD7A35] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:59:11 +0000 (UTC) --_c4bdf9c5-75c6-4fda-a9d2-e5dfde55cabd_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not sure how many of you follow the blog over at http://www.synthtopia.com/= =20 as a complete midi head=2C it is my daily breakfast coffee reading=2C its a= site I hold in high regard so I was really pleased to see our very own Bil= l Walker giving it some awsomeness on the guitar. nice one Bill Phill MyOneManBand = --_c4bdf9c5-75c6-4fda-a9d2-e5dfde55cabd_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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as a complete midi head=2C it is my daily breakfast coffee re= ading=2C its a site I hold in high regard so I was really pleased to see ou= r very own Bill Walker giving it some awsomeness on the guitar.
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= --_c4bdf9c5-75c6-4fda-a9d2-e5dfde55cabd_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 18:36:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCC7718345C; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 18:36:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 792962460/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.20.171/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.20.171 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvgCAMaZKlBYbRSr/2dsb2JhbAANOLkgBASEGwEBAQQ4QBELGAkWDwkDAgECAUUcAaxglFCOGoMcA5sUjSc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,768,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="792962460" Message-ID: <502A9A50.5000008@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 19:34:56 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Setting EDP 8th setting via midi References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 18:36:00 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > While Im here.. is there anyway to do this? Apart from making lots of > different presets? Only the dreaded sysex. It causes a slight dropout in sound. ...and still won't change the value till the loopend. OR, you can send a string of midi that simulates pressing the param button and alters the settings. (need to be able to do longpress tho') andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 18:39:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6D6218345B; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 18:39:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=dPfxIhimEC276/P7itRxrFpfhYi3sN6NX82V6iekc5w=; b=nXQJG/yXszRZ9KToOkwyIjQeFzJHjqbJwiB4SN1dh1RkqE6EbuO2aEjaEQPxXQqKbO iOgnOaFTFZx6sniP2wEa0ktdtoHxbHrTju6z8HwS9ReMpAIH+ddIfSoPcOuVMuDTJHOE uePo5Fs6sdOQ7A4CMErLqz5tLutM9TYzwKkc/QgGYChSOAhhw5zkTNFD5V25+7rS5Omi dmk0umdDY5be2Gxc17AHYUtpAG4vHe1ieoWLxUrP/jL8C02cX/o3oT7sbiL8QcUPuTxr 6MwkUjlaFsQVfwwJmSnC2xPfCIzjkAZMJpKg9tqXEGjfbhkGbtVo5dkiyAk+E7OE1/7Q mAmg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <502A9A50.5000008@tiscali.co.uk> References: <502A9A50.5000008@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:39:56 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Setting EDP 8th setting via midi From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <2ikoaD.A.HDG.9tpKQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 18:39:57 +0000 (UTC) ...or build something like Neil Young's guitar amp controller; a pedal controlled motorized set of mechanical fingers all aimed to poke controls on the amp front. Could as well mount the thing on an EDP.... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:34 PM, andy butler wrote: > > > mark francombe wrote: >> >> While Im here.. is there anyway to do this? Apart from making lots of >> different presets? > > > Only the dreaded sysex. > > It causes a slight dropout in sound. > > ...and still won't change the value till the loopend. > > > OR, you can send a string of midi that simulates pressing the param button > and alters the settings. > (need to be able to do longpress tho') > andy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 03:00:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3488018345A; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 03:00:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:45:39 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Photos at Amazing Things Arts Center Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 03:00:44 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, 3 22 x 12 prints from my 'Swirlies' sequence are part of a photography show at Amazing Things Arts Center http://amazingthings.org/ in Framingham near the train station. The reception is Thursday, August 16, 7 - 9 PM. It remains on view until September 16. Hours 12 -6,, closed Sundays. The images can be seen on my Facebook page -- My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com "My destination is always the same, but I work out a different route to get there" -- Henri Matisse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 03:07:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D67F18345B; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 03:07:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Ww0qvsVi2rzFQsNc/O+6rMIdiMovZRuGmdby5ka0Z3A=; b=rS5KfejtaEatb6UUDk1kr4FEg//su/S1h+4Np+IWMBY6RQUFk7VSzqGYrQ/vkCR1EI d7UF9T8SadwFEBiQbf76nA5S9Qhx4nfLnYC+7C76099dYKQlNqsaEW4EZFRH1yMbK6RW F6u3pT3xvKmBkakUpn0+sMZyT0447ofHs0W+GxemhEgQcy1Fs6NDafRPvDugZW8HLT2i TnxASMMTFF5eJ1eBDUyJzvtS3sf5DgcHN6PViXAxmMue3dCQa8AGbgtWcdkeI3MDvi/k AEDbj2SPy7+D5BdntQWGuaKgC492aRTLEHC2WG510q7qqNW/FGXT+BWxfW10885QdW7V SEPQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <6CFBDDB4-4802-41D4-B153-31DB75513EB8@frontier.com> <84AF0C82-4FB0-46CE-A401-2813AA36513C@mem.li> <3B6A2286-B0EE-4947-BA94-A598BE7FB50A@frontier.com> <019DC815-0414-4FDF-9D73-BB73BF8ABC0D@frontier.com> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:07:32 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Congratulations to Bill From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4e43d0af544d8704c7453a6b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 03:07:33 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4e43d0af544d8704c7453a6b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Nice Bill! Here's a direct link: http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2012/08/12/moog-lap-steel-improvisation-by-bill-walker/ On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:54 AM, phillip wilson wrote: > Not sure how many of you follow the blog over at > http://www.synthtopia.com/ > > as a complete midi head, it is my daily breakfast coffee reading, its a > site I hold in high regard so I was really pleased to see our very own Bill > Walker giving it some awsomeness on the guitar. > > nice one Bill > > Phill MyOneManBand > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com --e0cb4e43d0af544d8704c7453a6b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice Bill!=A0
Here's a direct link:=A0 http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2012/08/12/moo= g-lap-steel-improvisation-by-bill-walker/=A0

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:54 AM, phillip wilson <phillwilson@hotmail= .com> wrote:
Not sure how many of you follow the blog over at=A0http://www.synthtopia.com/=A0

as a complete midi head, it is my daily breakfast cof= fee reading, its a site I hold in high regard so I was really pleased to se= e our very own Bill Walker giving it some awsomeness on the guitar.

nice one Bill

Phill MyOneManBand
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--e0cb4e43d0af544d8704c7453a6b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 03:23:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E220718345D; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 03:23:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=OeJDXdjaZL6WeF+SR+fCzYme3i0Ts3oPf1ycuFjQn6k=; b=LO2MokoQKhNMpv+j0soYFZwwllwnZAd+p85YWtGfb3lsyUtp2cMlhEVp3TZbtUgWnu R4vgkGI0pmkBmqfasH6Mrm9WTCWcOtpkz6/X0v0aR9QmOlx5iZHhW9fpq/TMC55+6R4c oiikPUTMewgHjBdfw7/Fo8wNOn5NrTfUEnjH7JPR2HSb2DICbBWmYVVHh4iHtpa60cqI FRO05UP7TLF+yCOTXnM7VyQHiqcgO+EB6VT7q1bnjxuV8zIwZZ61bXGJNbX97J2X2fCl EyPi/anC6FrEFlK/2WbytQOh7KfepM8rd3wlT8Aua+p95dKZJyOEXlb9iOhFnNFfVUiu M4Zg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <6CFBDDB4-4802-41D4-B153-31DB75513EB8@frontier.com> <84AF0C82-4FB0-46CE-A401-2813AA36513C@mem.li> <3B6A2286-B0EE-4947-BA94-A598BE7FB50A@frontier.com> <019DC815-0414-4FDF-9D73-BB73BF8ABC0D@frontier.com> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:23:30 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Congratulations to Bill From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec50162157878c104c74573c8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 03:23:31 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec50162157878c104c74573c8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill that's killer as I like to say, just sweet and wonderful, congrats and see my 'wall' post... Jim On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Art Simon wrote: > Nice Bill! > Here's a direct link: > http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2012/08/12/moog-lap-steel-improvisation= -by-bill-walker/ > > > > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:54 AM, phillip wilson = wrote: > >> Not sure how many of you follow the blog over at >> http://www.synthtopia.com/ >> >> as a complete midi head, it is my daily breakfast coffee reading, its a >> site I hold in high regard so I was really pleased to see our very own B= ill >> Walker giving it some awsomeness on the guitar. >> >> nice one Bill >> >> Phill MyOneManBand >> > > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@gmail.com > > --=20 --=20 *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism' *The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music* - 'Organically inspired New Music' *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit *JDRF International * *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. --bcaec50162157878c104c74573c8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill that's killer as I like to say, just sweet and wonderful, congrats= and see my 'wall' post...

Jim

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Art Simon <simart@gmail.= com> wrote:
Nice Bill!=A0
Here's a direct link:= =A0 http://www.synthtopia.com/cont= ent/2012/08/12/moog-lap-steel-improvisation-by-bill-walker/=A0


On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:54 AM, phillip wilson <phillwilson@hotmail= .com> wrote:
Not sure how many of you follow the blog over at=A0http://www.synthtopia.com/=A0

as a complete midi head, it is my daily breakfast cof= fee reading, its a site I hold in high regard so I was really pleased to se= e our very own Bill Walker giving it some awsomeness on the guitar.

nice one Bill

Phill MyOneManBand
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jimgoodin.com= - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minima= lism'
=A0
The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music=A0- 'Org= anically inspired New Music'
=A0
From Brooklyn To Gl= indran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter = Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF International

Tips Across the Waters, a= new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

--bcaec50162157878c104c74573c8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 21:24:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF5B3183460; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 21:24:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1227170297==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120815212349.7853.37113.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 17:23:49 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: ambient musician Imogen Heap releases special musical gadget that can be used for live looping Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 21:24:02 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============1227170297== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello!=20This=20was=20mentioned=20at=20a=20TED=20conference,=20but=20I=20st= ill=20think=20this=20is=20noteworthy.=20Imogen=20Heap=20and=20her=20 team=20developed=20these=20very=20special=20gadgets=20called=20the=20Musica= l=20Gloves.=20They=20are=20not=20 exclusively=20live=20looping=20tools;=20they=20can=20control=20any=20comput= erized=20music=20device,=20Ableton=20being=20 one=20of=20them.=20On=20April=2022,=202012=20(at=20the=20same=20show=20wher= e=20Imogen=20premiered=20the=20final=20cut=20of=20her=20 movie,=20Love=20The=20Earth)=20she=20premiered=20a=20new=20song=20called=20= "Me=20The=20Machine."=20Listening=20to=20it,=20I=20 heard=20what=20sounded=20like=20electronic=20machine=20music=20and=20live= =20looping.=20Most=20likely,=20she=20was=20using=20the=20 gloves=20to=20control=20Ableton=20Live,=20but=20it=20could=20have=20been=20= something=20else.=20Here=20is=20a=20Youtube=20video=20of=20her=20 unreleased=20song,=20"Me=20The=20Machine,"=20with=20her=20Musical=20Gloves= =20paired=20with=20a=20looping=20system,=20at=20a=20 live=20performance=20in=20London,=20England,=20where=20she=20lives. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DgDZLEPdlEck The=20website=20dedicated=20to=20the=20gloves=20is=20a=20sub-site=20of=20Im= ogen's=20official=20site. http://www.imogenheap.com/thegloves Tyler=20Z --===============1227170297==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 09:58:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D1DC18345B; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 09:58:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: history essay updated Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:58:41 +0200 Message-ID: <004a01cd7b95$b742bc00$25c83400$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004B_01CD7BA6.7ACB8C00" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac17lbbsujuzWbbXQ1yor0u00/6nCQ== Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 09:58:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01CD7BA6.7ACB8C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I updated and rewrote parts of my old "birth of loop" history essay, = especially the final paragraphs about "today's loops". Comments?=20 =20 Many people know that I am one of those loopers who clearly advocate the = importance of livelooping over the role of static loops (which have = become either identical with sample playback in live music, or with = cut+paste in studio work, completely ubiquitous and therefore = practically invisible today), so I know not everyone will agree with = all of what I wrote :) but I'm open to learning and to other opinions. =20 http://www.livelooping.org/history/theory/the-birth-of-loop =20 -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01CD7BA6.7ACB8C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I updated and rewrote parts of my old = "birth of loop" history essay, especially the final paragraphs = about "today's loops".=C2=A0 = Comments?

 

Many people know that I am one of = those loopers who clearly advocate the = importance of livelooping over the role of = static loops (which have become either identical with sample playback in = live music, or with cut+paste in studio = work, completely ubiquitous and therefore practically invisible today), = =C2=A0so I know not everyone = will agree with all of what I wrote=C2=A0 :)=C2=A0 but I'm open to learning and to = other opinions.

 

http://www.livelooping.org/history/theo= ry/the-birth-of-loop

=  

-Michael

------=_NextPart_000_004B_01CD7BA6.7ACB8C00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 10:08:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F014718345C; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 10:08:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1227170297==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120816100830.19520.37113.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 06:08:30 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: history essay updated Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 10:08:38 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============1227170297== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=20like=20it!=20Now=20waiting=20for=20Escape=20Veloopity=20of=201998. Tyler=20Z On=20Thu,=2016=20Aug=202012=2011:58:41=20+0200,=20Michael=20Peters=20wrote: >I=20updated=20and=20rewrote=20parts=20of=20my=20old=20"birth=20of=20loop"= =20history=20essay,=20especially=20 >the=20final=20paragraphs=20about=20"today's=20loops".=C2=A0=20Comments?=20 >Many=20people=20know=20that=20I=20am=20one=20of=20those=20loopers=20who=20= clearly=20advocate=20the=20 >importance=20of=20livelooping=20over=20the=20role=20of=20static=20loops=20= (which=20have=20become=20 >either=20identical=20with=20sample=20playback=20in=20live=20music,=20or=20= with=20cut+paste=20in=20 >studio=20work,=20completely=20ubiquitous=20and=20therefore=20practically= =20invisible=20today),=20 >=C2=A0so=20I=20know=20not=20everyone=20will=20agree=20with=20all=20of=20wh= at=20I=20wrote=C2=A0=20:)=C2=A0=20but=20I'm=20open=20 >to=20learning=20and=20to=20other=20opinions. >http://www.livelooping.org/history/theory/the-birth-of-loop >-Michael --===============1227170297==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 10:09:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06E6C18345D; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 10:09:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <20120816095853.0FE9D183460@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20120816095853.0FE9D183460@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: RE: ambient musician Imogen Heap releases special musical gadget that can be used for live looping Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:08:57 +0200 Message-ID: <006c01cd7b97$263be4f0$72b3aed0$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006D_01CD7BA7.E9C4B4F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac17lcF6i6ys+eLbTxiVfV1lFNcWwwAAImQw Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: <_iDdqB.A.0GH.DbMLQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 10:09:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01CD7BA7.E9C4B4F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for these links Tyler! interesting that this technology continues = to be developed. I think our livelooping colleague Onyx Ashanti also = works on glove technology. I first saw musical gloves in 2004 used by = Michel Waisvisz, quite a loud and breathtaking experience: =20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DU1L-mVGqug4 =20 btw I also find it interesting that you call Imogen Heap an "ambient" = musician :) the original meaning of this word (as coined by Eno) has = loosened up quite a bit since then it seems. =20 -Michael =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01CD7BA7.E9C4B4F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks for these links = Tyler! interesting that this technology continues to be developed. I = think our livelooping colleague Onyx Ashanti = also works on glove technology. I first saw musical gloves in 2004 used = by Michel Waisvisz, quite a loud and = breathtaking experience:

 <= /p>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DU1L-mVGqug4=

 

btw I also find it = interesting that you call Imogen Heap an = "ambient" musician :)=C2=A0 = the original meaning of this word (as coined by Eno) has loosened up quite a bit since then it = seems.

 <= /p>

-Michael

 <= /p>

 <= /p>

------=_NextPart_000_006D_01CD7BA7.E9C4B4F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 10:16:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0E76183453; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 10:16:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <20120816100908.BA6A5183460@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20120816100908.BA6A5183460@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: history essay updated Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:16:20 +0200 Message-ID: <007f01cd7b98$2ec1f140$8c45d3c0$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0080_01CD7BA8.F24AC140" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac17lzE9v1rYU7JtRo+KcQGsX4rGzQAANmhg Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 10:16:30 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01CD7BA8.F24AC140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tyler wrote, > Now waiting for Escape Veloopity of 1998 no need to wait :) http://veloopity.bandcamp.com/album/escape-veloopity -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01CD7BA8.F24AC140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Tyler wrote,

 

> Now waiting for Escape Veloopity of 1998

 

no need to wait = :)

http://veloopity.bandcamp= .com/album/escape-veloopity

 <= /p>

-Michael

 <= /p>

 <= /p>

------=_NextPart_000_0080_01CD7BA8.F24AC140-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 10:21:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4B2318345D; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 10:21:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1227170297==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120816102050.19725.37113.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 06:20:52 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: history essay updated Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 10:21:00 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============1227170297== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FYI,=20I'm=20blind,=20and=20my=20special=20computer=20only=20supports=20dir= ect=20links=20to=20audio=20files=20or=20 zip=20files=20or=20whatever.=20I=20believe=20Bandcamp=20streams=20right=20f= rom=20the=20website.=20I=20need=20a=20converter=20just=20 to=20watch=20Youtube,=20because=20my=20computer=20can't=20stream=20embedded= =20audio=20or=20video=20in=20a=20website. Tyler=20Z On=20Thu,=2016=20Aug=202012=2012:16:20=20+0200,=20Michael=20Peters=20wrote: >Tyler=20wrote, >>Now=20waiting=20for=20Escape=20Veloopity=20of=201998 >no=20need=20to=20wait=20:) >http://veloopity.bandcamp.com/album/escape-veloopity >-Michael --===============1227170297==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 11:08:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9B40183451; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:08:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1064875380==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120816110759.19725.24493.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 07:07:59 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: RE: ambient musician Imogen Heap releases special musical gadget that can be used for live looping Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:08:07 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============1064875380== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's=20a=20funny=20loop-related=20story.=20In=20March=20of=202010,=20I=20= heard=20about=20Imogen=20from=20a=20friend=20of=20 mine,=20and=20she=20and=20I=20started=20listening=20together.=20She=20had= =20been=20a=20Heap=20fan=20since=20a=20year=20before=20I=20became=20one.=20 The=20new=20Ellipse=20album=20was=20unbelievable.=20I=20then=20heard=20abou= t=20a=20remix=20of=20Imogen=20Heap,=20a=20song=20 by=20Jason=20Derulo=20titled=20"Whatcha=20Say."=20Part=20of=20the=20Heap=20= song=20was=20looped=20in=20that=20song,=20and=20that's=20how=20 we=20became=20loop=20fans.=20Because=20of=20a=20pop=20song=20by=20Jason=20D= erulo=20with=20loops=20in=20it.=20I=20would=20have=20never=20 guessed=20that=20Imogen=20Heap=20herself=20used=20loops=20(even=20though=20= that=20now=20that=20I=20am=20aware=20of=20that,=20I=20think=20I=20 hear=20some).=20A=20year=20and=20a=20half=20later,=20we=20discovered=20tape= =20looping,=20which=20we=20thought=20sounded=20cool.=20In=20 February=202012,=20I=20Googled=20tape=20looping,=20and=20found=20Looper's= =20Delight,=20which=20was=20touted=20as=20a=20 site=20for=20anyone=20who=20uses=20any=20kinds=20of=20loops.=20I=20showed= =20no=20interest=20in=20live=20looping=20until=20a=20 couple=20of=20days=20after=20subscribing=20to=20the=20list,=20I=20found=20t= he=20live=20stuff=20amazing.=20I=20still=20need=20to=20look=20over=20the=20 pros=20and=20cons=20of=20different=20live=20looping=20devices.=20So=20I=20j= oined=20as=20an=20Audacity=20/=20Studio=20 Recorder=20/=20Sound=20Forge=20...=20generic=20audio=20editing=20software= =20looping=20and=20electronic=20music=20 artist=20with=20a=20Yamaha=20keyboard. Tyler=20Z On=20Thu,=2016=20Aug=202012=2012:08:57=20+0200,=20Michael=20Peters=20wrote: >Thanks=20for=20these=20links=20Tyler!=20interesting=20that=20this=20techno= logy=20continues=20to=20be=20 >developed.=20I=20think=20our=20livelooping=20colleague=20Onyx=20Ashanti=20= also=20works=20on=20glove=20 >technology.=20I=20first=20saw=20musical=20gloves=20in=202004=20used=20by= =20Michel=20Waisvisz,=20quite=20a=20 >loud=20and=20breathtaking=20experience: >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DU1L-mVGqug4 >btw=20I=20also=20find=20it=20interesting=20that=20you=20call=20Imogen=20He= ap=20an=20"ambient"=20musician=20 >:)=C2=A0=20the=20original=20meaning=20of=20this=20word=20(as=20coined=20by= =20Eno)=20has=20loosened=20up=20quite=20 >a=20bit=20since=20then=20it=20seems. >-Michael --===============1064875380==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 11:17:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BD7B18345C; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:17:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_41942998-d62b-4bb4-abb7-e137062b1c57_" X-Originating-IP: [217.92.117.212] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: RE: history essay updated Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:17:18 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004a01cd7b95$b742bc00$25c83400$@de> References: <004a01cd7b95$b742bc00$25c83400$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2012 11:17:19.0413 (UTC) FILETIME=[B324CE50:01CD7BA0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:17:20 +0000 (UTC) --_41942998-d62b-4bb4-abb7-e137062b1c57_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow=2C that looks very professional and exhaustive. I am working now but I = will have a look when I can. Thanks!Sergio From: mp@mpeters.de To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: history essay updated Date: Thu=2C 16 Aug 2012 11:58:41 +0200 I updated and rewrote parts of my old "birth of loop" history essay=2C espe= cially the final paragraphs about "today's loops". Comments? Many people = know that I am one of those loopers who clearly advocate the importance of = livelooping over the role of static loops (which have become either identic= al with sample playback in live music=2C or with cut+paste in studio work= =2C completely ubiquitous and therefore practically invisible today)=2C so= I know not everyone will agree with all of what I wrote :) but I'm open = to learning and to other opinions. http://www.livelooping.org/history/theor= y/the-birth-of-loop -Michael = --_41942998-d62b-4bb4-abb7-e137062b1c57_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wow=2C that looks very professional and =3Bexhaustive. I am working now= but I will have a look when I can. Thanks!
Sergio

From: mp@mpeters.de<= br>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: history essay update= d
Date: Thu=2C 16 Aug 2012 11:58:41 +0200

I updated and rewrote parts of my old "birth of lo= op" history essay=2C especially the final paragraphs about "today's loops".=  =3B Comments?

 =3B

Many people know that I am one of th= ose loopers who clearly advocate the impor= tance of livelooping over the role of stat= ic loops (which have become either identical with sample playback in live m= usic=2C or with cut+paste in studio work= =2C completely ubiquitous and therefore practically invisible today)=2C  =3Bso I know not everyone will agree with all of = what I wrote =3B :) =3B but I'm open to learning and to other opinions.

 =3B

http://www.livelooping.or= g/history/theory/the-birth-of-loop

 =3B

-Michael

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= --_41942998-d62b-4bb4-abb7-e137062b1c57_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 11:29:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13FF318345B; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:29:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ifzkQ23UShHgUC3kOhYNj1LrZcxVjMZhombvLOks3WI=; b=IzX9P6zWOKtInouCvRrAK7ZCAWgEa+feliHkAjy36aqtfaWqUTx4MomdIPvAGmliQw 4IbVtfs8jcnKH8togItAYIPPgXzuh7QGoXQ+Tq0aAQKXBbKC5cafOAxkXxaDyCnCmzD6 OJBizJvFFqqD8TDxln6gF4jgRsWXfWCQ79xxxjzwIB3v06KnVLa2lSOptkETRr+RRH3a bvmk+7fAg0od43pgLaMazVXNAuRAU153hhW45oYAf7/2nWloC3WhrSWsSh8A2apwAJBj ToNnyd/L7ay8qswt4GbIzO3J3YxGEwkQZSFOCNAYFNa7C71pCa13RH8Fpm/YlMVX5X7s SA2A== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120816110759.19725.24493.levelstar.mail@everest> References: <20120816110759.19725.24493.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:29:26 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: ambient musician Imogen Heap releases special musical gadget that can be used for live looping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:29:26 +0000 (UTC) > I first saw musical gloves in 2004 used by Michel Waisvisz I saw Stelarc using his robot arm... This video captures that live experience quite well http://youtu.be/wTYYJZG0f68 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 12:45:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3F8818345C; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:45:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=DK0GAcg8p4gBOR/dGFWvf4fyl68TbkcQVEw0GKM+An8=; b=xCLFP+S84JZzeBvYFBUdrd5R315skfHoJMLglSSx9GPSu4pydMx8icsNFn4vV6m/Yz W3pSyO/0z4uFHvS6PT4M/AOLoDf7ncXSChM0BHk4f9Cl/qNRutOp+GXqcfPA30uSkC17 tfoXHGJ2Lq3aEqkcngt7UYfxeITVplh3aOLLU7iqwy5gJpTacFNBLgDoI+pi4Xe77VrA Yu3KdTcAW00R8S2+Ga3H2mR+PGl+roliXBujoXvIJpHv8xgHZl0QCXG6EQQOIqRTBEWL 8QeHG1tGZJPgiH33pnF6OjYD/Xk6dgb8UJe2jWq0OuqvAaQEIjX+kEwR8CTfA8k7b/xa evyA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <004a01cd7b95$b742bc00$25c83400$@de> References: <004a01cd7b95$b742bc00$25c83400$@de> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:45:19 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: history essay updated From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:45:20 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > I updated and rewrote parts of my old "birth of loop" history essay, > especially the final paragraphs about "today's loops". Comments? Fantastic text! Very inspiring reading. It could be a bit longer, I think. Shouldn't there be also a chapter dealing with moder time's musical machines? You do mention Steve Reich's phasing with two tape machines but leave out electronic sequencing where similar compositional approaches can be realized also at mathematical precision. As for another example, the arpeggiator is a simple piece of gear that allows for creating instant hands-on polyrhythm counterpoint (see early Tangerine Dream). One could also mention the emerge and evolution of the moder electronic dance music emanating from Kraftwerk ("in 1971, then hijacked by Hip hop in 1981" and so on), a history laid out with audio excerpts at http://techno.org/electronic-music-guide/. And of course the particular pieces of gear behind this movement (Roland's legendary boxes) as well as the "reversed" method for creating music where the performer tweaks filters etc on sound modules driven by controlling sequences of triggering events (as opposed to creating a source sound sent into a Time Lag Accumulator system, or whatever). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 14:28:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C086018345C; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=de4lG9b5LBLbdPP1mBfs3/eRZB7j2kpYfCvmEe8raAk= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=UncmS/Am0Fgh8c8TZh5eWA==:17 a=00EKFsr4AAAA:8 a=Ejw9arRH2C7AUELnHzsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=UncmS/Am0Fgh8c8TZh5eWA==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: history essay updated From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: <004a01cd7b95$b742bc00$25c83400$@de> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 07:28:25 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <004a01cd7b95$b742bc00$25c83400$@de> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Hi there Michael. A fine update of your article...which could just as accurately be titled = "Rebirth of the Loop" :-) Ted On Aug 16, 2012, at 2:58 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > I updated and rewrote parts of my old "birth of loop" history essay, = especially the final paragraphs about "today's loops". Comments? > =20 > Many people know that I am one of those loopers who clearly advocate = the importance of livelooping over the role of static loops (which have = become either identical with sample playback in live music, or with = cut+paste in studio work, completely ubiquitous and therefore = practically invisible today), so I know not everyone will agree with = all of what I wrote :) but I'm open to learning and to other opinions. > =20 > http://www.livelooping.org/history/theory/the-birth-of-loop > =20 > -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 14:54:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A2C718345D; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:54:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_bf700d0d-ed42-46f5-aaf3-98419d6eb417_" X-Originating-IP: [217.92.117.212] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: RE: I need a looper which can do this. Does it exist or should I give up? Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:54:45 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2012 14:54:46.0109 (UTC) FILETIME=[1394A0D0:01CD7BBF] Resent-Message-ID: <_-CWLC.A.n8B.2mQLQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:54:46 +0000 (UTC) --_bf700d0d-ed42-46f5-aaf3-98419d6eb417_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mmm=2C I was reading more about the octatrack real time looping capabilitie= s. I would like to learn more about it.Ehm=2C who is Anders? > Date: Tue=2C 14 Aug 2012 16:06:39 +0100 > Subject: Re: I need a looper which can do this. Does it exist or should I= give up? > From: simeonharris40@googlemail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > the ocatrack may be what you are looking for. hopefully anders will > chip in and offer some help >=20 > On Tue=2C Aug 14=2C 2012 at 3:57 PM=2C Sergio G = wrote: > > Hello! > > > > I have experimented with the Boomerang for a while. > > Contrarily to what some said=2C I feel I already reached its limitation= s very > > soon. >=20 = --_bf700d0d-ed42-46f5-aaf3-98419d6eb417_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mmm=2C I was reading more about the octatrack real time looping capabilitie= s. I would like to learn more about it.
Ehm=2C who is Anders?
<= br>
>=3B Date: Tue=2C 14 Aug 20= 12 16:06:39 +0100
>=3B Subject: Re: I need a looper which can do this.= Does it exist or should I give up?
>=3B From: simeonharris40@googlema= il.com
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B
>= =3B the ocatrack may be what you are looking for. hopefully anders will
= >=3B chip in and offer some help
>=3B
>=3B On Tue=2C Aug 14=2C= 2012 at 3:57 PM=2C Sergio G <=3Bsimpliflying@gmail.com>=3B wrote:
&= gt=3B >=3B Hello!
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B I have experimented w= ith the Boomerang for a while.
>=3B >=3B Contrarily to what some sai= d=2C I feel I already reached its limitations very
>=3B >=3B soon.>=3B
= --_bf700d0d-ed42-46f5-aaf3-98419d6eb417_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 14:55:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6EC018345E; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:55:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_8cd57296-ee0e-4467-a7cc-ebdd3cd5ed8a_" X-Originating-IP: [217.92.117.212] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: RE: I need a looper which can do this. Does it exist or should I give up? Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:55:46 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2012 14:55:46.0931 (UTC) FILETIME=[37D55430:01CD7BBF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:55:47 +0000 (UTC) --_8cd57296-ee0e-4467-a7cc-ebdd3cd5ed8a_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That looks very interesting=2C but=2C without computer? For real time live = looping? Or I need a computer and some midi controller=2C launch pad etc? From: krispen.hartung@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I need a looper which can do this. Does it exist or should I g= ive up? Date: Tue=2C 14 Aug 2012 09:28:16 -0600 Max/msp. If you have the time. =20 From: Sergio G=20 Sent: Tuesday=2C August 14=2C 2012 8:57 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: I need a looper which can do this. Does it exist or should=20 I give up? =20 Hello!=20 =20 I have experimented with the Boomerang for a while. Contrarily to what some said=2C I feel I already reached its limitations ve= ry=20 soon. At least for what I want to do (which is a sort of real time dj producing= =2C=20 where it is crucial the possibility to quickly create and quickly=20 start/stop/pause/mute different sample/loops=2C effect them=2C time stretch= them=2C=20 pitch variate them=2C etc). I do not know if the mythical octatrack can be the solution but no way that= =20 I will buy it unless I sell half of what I bought. Or maybe I could add to my setup a korg Microsampler (it seems that it can= =20 time stretch=2C and that it can split a sample across the keyboard so that = with=20 each key the sample play at a different note). I would not like to use pc/software for live looping because it will be a=20 creative process=2C I will not just play loops=2C I will improvise music=2C= create it=20 in real time. Maybe I am too perfectionist. But I wonder what do I need. I will try to give you an idea. Think about techno=2C minimal=2C electro mu= sic.=20 Music with both repetitive parts but also quick variations of these=20 repetitions. It does not mean that I want to do only that kind of music (even if often=20 now I find myself doing that music=2C with beatbox and the looper). But jus= t to=20 give you an idea of what I need to reach. =20 Can anybody help me in understanding which setup can let me do that? I really would not like to use PC/software for a real time live creative=20 improvisation process unless it can be easier and more effective. =20 Thanks a lot! = --_8cd57296-ee0e-4467-a7cc-ebdd3cd5ed8a_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That =3Blooks very interesting=2C but=2C without computer? For real tim= e live looping? Or I need a computer and some midi controller=2C launch pad= etc?

From: krispen.hartung@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight= .com
Subject: Re: I need a looper which can do this. Does it exist or sh= ould I give up?
Date: Tue=2C 14 Aug 2012 09:28:16 -0600

Max/msp. =3B If you have the time.
 =3B
From: Sergio G
Sent: Tuesday=2C August 14=2C 2012 8:57 AM
Subject: I need a looper which can do this. Does it exist or sh= ould=20 I give up?
 =3B
Hello!=20
 =3B
I have experimented with the Boomerang for a while.
Contrarily to what some said=2C I feel I already reached its limitatio= ns very=20 soon.
At least for what I want to do (which is a sort of real time dj produc= ing=2C=20 where it is crucial the possibility to quickly create and quickly=20 start/stop/pause/mute different sample/loops=2C effect them=2C time stretch= them=2C=20 pitch variate them=2C etc).
I do not know if the mythical octatrack can be the solution but no way= that=20 I will buy it unless I sell half of what I bought.
Or maybe I could add to my setup a korg Microsampler (it seems that it= can=20 time stretch=2C and that it can split a sample across the keyboard so that = with=20 each key the sample play at a different note).
I would not like to use pc/software for live looping because it will b= e a=20 creative process=2C I will not just play loops=2C I will improvise music=2C= create it=20 in real time.
Maybe I am too perfectionist.
But I wonder what do I need.
I will try to give you an idea. Think about techno=2C minimal=2C elect= ro music.=20 Music with both repetitive parts but also quick variations of these=20 repetitions.
It does not mean that I want to do only that kind of music (even if of= ten=20 now I find myself doing that music=2C with beatbox and the looper). But jus= t to=20 give you an idea of what I need to reach.
 =3B
Can anybody help me in understanding which setup can let me do that?
I really would not like to use PC/software for a real time live creati= ve=20 improvisation process unless it can be easier and more effective.
 =3B
Thanks a lot!
= --_8cd57296-ee0e-4467-a7cc-ebdd3cd5ed8a_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 15:44:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A33D18345C; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:44:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <502D1568.8060406@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:44:40 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:44:57 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on The Tangent Project. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Live - The Gatherings 05.17.08." Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org on the internet. Note: The WDIY website has changed and the Galactic Travels portion is gone. I am working this issue. Meanwhile, http://galactictravels.info doesn't work. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 16:02:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94750183452; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:02:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <0C4912EE-4A94-4FB7-B714-5ECC11669BED@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Congratulations to Bill Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 09:02:32 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <2zIOUD.A.wsC.fmRLQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:02:39 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Phil, that was shot at Moog in March of 2011, and skillfully edited for continuity, I really enjoyed the time I spent with that instrument, they were kind enough to loan me one for a few months and I passed it among some lap steel colleagues before doing an online review with them for Guitar Player magazine. The review didn't quite turn out the way I had hoped but it was fun. Hopefully I will buy one at some point, probably after the Mayan calendar ends and the whole "end of the world" thing blows over :-) Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 16:13:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B992D18345C; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:13:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=kcXrmMZ1tF1Fcm7f2gRc576H1HFYqFG1DeMogFFp4aw=; b=U/GyvNQ3bxIyqN7h7zN7kmnZU3Fbe4ALNLt79g5d9hambTcSx7o//brCCUqub2zGqH Txk2Bf2L0/SaYU/QYRJ2Qar4URy5URJr+PKD2tABtZQXo73yUHURPeVupd5BQVdWs+pO 8ZJbhdjQBlnhnciaDKXMcWiy6W3+DL2obhcVUJMmLYcLT9dfEuPevxZY8eHKwIgCC3XW D35ik694PP2ZqmRPNDrwHCKDx7adRZ9TTPXR6Qa6XHWnfcTOrfVqClQkjn/agpYE16Dj XkN7AWfvGSO1/raRL5jClUA9Ej5s71IbyrKhN7cIadU9q3lBQajnRB/i5f/qHn2yP9Gz pndg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0C4912EE-4A94-4FB7-B714-5ECC11669BED@baymoon.com> References: <0C4912EE-4A94-4FB7-B714-5ECC11669BED@baymoon.com> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:13:52 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Congratulations to Bill From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: BILL WALKER Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00248c7118e95f3b9e04c7645465 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:13:53 +0000 (UTC) --00248c7118e95f3b9e04c7645465 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill tad off topic but timely with this post and seeing you now wanted to pass this along. Stumbled on to this release recently from Bang On the Can, a free summer sampler that has a lovely lovely closing lap steel featured track from Icebreaker and BJ Cole. The track is in the samples on this link page (An Ending Ascent II) and made me think of you. http://bangonacan.org/store/music/apollo Jim On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:02 PM, William Walker wr= ote: > Thanks Phil, that was shot at Moog in March of 2011, and skillfully edite= d > for continuity, I really enjoyed the time I spent with that instrument, > they were kind enough to loan me one for a few months and I passed it amo= ng > some lap steel colleagues before doing an online review with them for > Guitar Player magazine. The review didn't quite turn out the way I had > hoped but it was fun. Hopefully I will buy one at some point, probably > after the Mayan calendar ends and the whole "end of the world" thing blow= s > over :-) > Bill > > --=20 --=20 *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism' *The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music* - 'Organically inspired New Music' *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit *JDRF International * *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. --00248c7118e95f3b9e04c7645465 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bill tad off topic but timely with this post and seeing you now wanted= to pass this along.=A0 Stumbled on to this release recently from Bang On t= he Can, a free summer sampler that has a lovely lovely closing lap steel fe= atured track from Icebreaker and BJ Cole.=A0 The track is in the samples on= this link page (An Ending Ascent II) and made me think of you.=A0 http://bangonacan.org/store/m= usic/apollo
=A0
Jim

On Thu, Aug = 16, 2012 at 12:02 PM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com><= /span> wrote:
Thanks Phil, that was shot at Moog in March of 2011, and s= killfully edited for continuity, I really enjoyed the time I spent with tha= t instrument, they were kind enough to loan me one for a few months and I p= assed it among some lap steel colleagues before doing an online review with= them for Guitar Player magazine. The review didn't quite turn out the = way I had hoped but it was fun. Hopefully I will buy one at some point, pro= bably after the Mayan calendar ends and the whole "end of the world&qu= ot; thing blows over :-)
=A0Bill




--
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jimgoodin.com -= 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism'
=A0
The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music=A0- 'Org= anically inspired New Music'
=A0
From Brooklyn To Gl= indran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter = Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF International

Tips Across the Waters, a= new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

--00248c7118e95f3b9e04c7645465-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 16:28:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B597818345C; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:28:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=pmYKHlNA+nuhj4SOCjV8V9rsGetQjfU8eXmfJXnqJDw=; b=JT/R3WXoGJ5kvJ6Wl0O71sLqofPcZ3mXGN4M7uUG5eY+MQjFljbIiNgu9VuJoSyW5C dEi/KugcxWasUXd+wSnOv3WbHqFMquF3eA9OUvr6SCqisjSI+4xnHwMEu3iaTMKPP50S nMu1ekcrNN17Glyrlz/27+bmCtCqL3NupqZq50Y9BsB+Kl4JqvRqOqNXSDBRX/rhkQNT aP6c6INvRG+7KB8FoGuJbULxage0dsaEPbrI8TWXCzAAkZVLYqj5XLVAMcX0+aVdyyMy DoXCrth9uGsUdF9zuiw4wcCY2ufo3TJG2VgqhLmtR595lIi7E7Lq2GLbZhHtp7r12ku3 y0hg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <0C4912EE-4A94-4FB7-B714-5ECC11669BED@baymoon.com> From: todd reynolds Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:28:00 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Congratulations to Bill To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93994e749f95c04c764891d Resent-Message-ID: <94hYo.A.xDD.5-RLQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:28:41 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93994e749f95c04c764891d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ooooooh yeah=85 BJ's a good friend! (and how don't I know about this darn sampler? it's my own family!) Once again, Bill, whenever these vids come through of you, I always click and I always enjoy them=85 Cheers, Todd On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Jim Goodin wrot= e: > Bill tad off topic but timely with this post and seeing you now wanted to > pass this along. Stumbled on to this release recently from Bang On the > Can, a free summer sampler that has a lovely lovely closing lap steel > featured track from Icebreaker and BJ Cole. The track is in the samples = on > this link page (An Ending Ascent II) and made me think of you. > http://bangonacan.org/store/music/apollo > > Jim > > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:02 PM, William Walker = wrote: > >> Thanks Phil, that was shot at Moog in March of 2011, and skillfully >> edited for continuity, I really enjoyed the time I spent with that >> instrument, they were kind enough to loan me one for a few months and I >> passed it among some lap steel colleagues before doing an online review >> with them for Guitar Player magazine. The review didn't quite turn out t= he >> way I had hoped but it was fun. Hopefully I will buy one at some point, >> probably after the Mayan calendar ends and the whole "end of the world" >> thing blows over :-) >> Bill >> >> > > > -- > -- > *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, > color blue, repetitive minimalism' > > *The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music* - > 'Organically inspired New Music' > > *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a > new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds fr= om > this CD will benefit *JDRF International * > > *Tips Across the Waters > *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =95 *The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011* - Amazon.com =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://toddreynolds.com http://twitter.com/digifiddler http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://facebook.com/toddreynolds http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds need me right away? Call or text me at 917.576.6166 --14dae93994e749f95c04c764891d Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ooooooh yeah=85 BJ's a good friend! =A0(and how don't I know about = this darn sampler? =A0it's my own family!) =A0

Once = again, Bill, whenever these vids come through of you, I always click and I = always enjoy them=85=A0

Cheers,=A0

Todd

=


On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:13= PM, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
Bill tad off topic but timely with this= post and seeing you now wanted to pass this along.=A0 Stumbled on to this = release recently from Bang On the Can, a free summer sampler that has a lov= ely lovely closing lap steel featured track from Icebreaker and BJ Cole.=A0= The track is in the samples on this link page (An Ending Ascent II) and ma= de me think of you.=A0 http://bangonacan.org/store/music/apollo
=A0
Jim

On Thu, Aug = 16, 2012 at 12:02 PM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com><= /span> wrote:
Thanks Phil, that was shot at Moog in March of 2011, and s= killfully edited for continuity, I really enjoyed the time I spent with tha= t instrument, they were kind enough to loan me one for a few months and I p= assed it among some lap steel colleagues before doing an online review with= them for Guitar Player magazine. The review didn't quite turn out the = way I had hoped but it was fun. Hopefully I will buy one at some point, pro= bably after the Mayan calendar ends and the whole "end of the world&qu= ot; thing blows over :-)
=A0Bill




--
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jimgoodin.com - 'Acoustic= guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism'
=A0
The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music=A0- 'Org= anically inspired New Music'
=A0
From Brooklyn To Gl= indran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter = Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF International

Tips Across the Waters, a= new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.




-- =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=95 The Best Classical Music of=A0= the Year, 2011 - Amazon.com

=95=A0Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now avail= able wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however!=A0=

need me right away? =A0Call or text me at 917.576.6166



--14dae93994e749f95c04c764891d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 16:31:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1EA6183453; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:31:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=hH58wTDWwEAA+gdZk0vTzMNhJjpY/KVGbsz4PAvX82A=; b=QDWEKhucwIp7VVBvtxVKQPEX+nmrp3xlj3+L4G7BaoEvJGCFGJ/GmMTggZOficK1vN 08XfXaTY9sPT7CDDsnKO2qVsOWy4f8eohCR93asq6WZzrd0lY3KYOcUJhFcRWvxNKiyJ qPASKh6PpETtPpdia57ScxbVxU3R8w3icEbwyHlDTVZ/W1DSYS9cKACb1K8lMemmvgVC CEWAaYGt6wZvyX954ciMzsgcNAvG1OtWQPY+cwdtp6BC8+kvOJFQDgFRHfhyVsnGbdp2 LMzG68xF9K6eLGPVfR3vETZAUUpu2v0H9Xv+w/11uMtflNcrASnWegDHWt+mCwzpnl4H 3GPg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <0C4912EE-4A94-4FB7-B714-5ECC11669BED@baymoon.com> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:31:03 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Congratulations to Bill From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00248c7118e9c4a4e004c7649158 Resent-Message-ID: <1yrUGC.A.NOD.IBSLQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:31:04 +0000 (UTC) --00248c7118e9c4a4e004c7649158 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Todd here's the link, pull it down. Whole project is great but that last track is just a frigging killer... http://www.icareifyoulisten.com/summer-2012-mixtape/ Jim On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:28 PM, todd reynolds wrote: > Ooooooh yeah=85 BJ's a good friend! (and how don't I know about this dar= n > sampler? it's my own family!) > > Once again, Bill, whenever these vids come through of you, I always click > and I always enjoy them=85 > > Cheers, > > Todd > > > > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Jim Goodin wr= ote: > >> Bill tad off topic but timely with this post and seeing you now wanted t= o >> pass this along. Stumbled on to this release recently from Bang On the >> Can, a free summer sampler that has a lovely lovely closing lap steel >> featured track from Icebreaker and BJ Cole. The track is in the samples= on >> this link page (An Ending Ascent II) and made me think of you. >> http://bangonacan.org/store/music/apollo >> >> Jim >> >> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:02 PM, William Walker wrote: >> >>> Thanks Phil, that was shot at Moog in March of 2011, and skillfully >>> edited for continuity, I really enjoyed the time I spent with that >>> instrument, they were kind enough to loan me one for a few months and I >>> passed it among some lap steel colleagues before doing an online review >>> with them for Guitar Player magazine. The review didn't quite turn out = the >>> way I had hoped but it was fun. Hopefully I will buy one at some point, >>> probably after the Mayan calendar ends and the whole "end of the world" >>> thing blows over :-) >>> Bill >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, >> color blue, repetitive minimalism' >> >> *The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music* - >> 'Organically inspired New Music' >> >> *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a >> new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds f= rom >> this CD will benefit *JDRF International * >> >> *Tips Across the Waters >> *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. >> >> > > > -- > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =95 *The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011* - Amazon.com > > =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wherever > music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > http://toddreynolds.com > http://twitter.com/digifiddler > http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic > http://blog.toddreynolds.com > http://facebook.com/toddreynolds > http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds > > need me right away? Call or text me at 917.576.6166 > > > > --=20 --=20 *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism' *The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music* - 'Organically inspired New Music' *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit *JDRF International * *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. --00248c7118e9c4a4e004c7649158 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Todd here's the link, pull it down.=A0 Whole project is great but = that last track is just a frigging killer... http://www.icareifyoulisten.com/summer-2= 012-mixtape/
=A0
Jim

On Thu, Aug = 16, 2012 at 12:28 PM, todd reynolds <toddreyn@gmail.com> wr= ote:
Ooooooh yeah=85 BJ's a good friend! =A0(and how don= 9;t I know about this darn sampler? =A0it's my own family!) =A0

Once again, Bill, whenever these vids come through of you, I= always click and I always enjoy them=85=A0

Cheers,=A0

Todd

=


On Thu= , Aug 16, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
=A0
Jim

On Thu, Aug = 16, 2012 at 12:02 PM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com><= /span> wrote:
Thanks Phil, that was shot at Moog in March of 2011, and s= killfully edited for continuity, I really enjoyed the time I spent with tha= t instrument, they were kind enough to loan me one for a few months and I p= assed it among some lap steel colleagues before doing an online review with= them for Guitar Player magazine. The review didn't quite turn out the = way I had hoped but it was fun. Hopefully I will buy one at some point, pro= bably after the Mayan calendar ends and the whole "end of the world&qu= ot; thing blows over :-)
=A0Bill




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jimgoodin.com - 'Acoustic guitar renaissan= ce, color blue, repetitive minimalism'
=A0
The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music=A0- 'Org= anically inspired New Music'
=A0
From Brooklyn To Gl= indran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter = Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF International

Tips Across the Waters, a= new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.




--
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=95 The Best Classical= Music of=A0the Year, 2011 - Amazon.com

=95=A0Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now avail= able wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however!=A0=

need me right away? =A0Call or text me at 917.576.6166






--
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jimgoodin.com -= 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism'
=A0
The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music=A0- 'Org= anically inspired New Music'
=A0
From Brooklyn To Gl= indran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter = Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF International

Tips Across the Waters, a= new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

--00248c7118e9c4a4e004c7649158-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 16:35:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 234E2183475; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:35:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=IDIjGTr+IMZtlfiJ0Ws5nDXTIeExKyGgCVmzaO6xuhI=; b=0V9RDY8z7MU09Ok8V33MSVDHDy1122bMXNjoetOa8H/LEuEWc8D96C8VwRlI3MnoX3 y5j/S5888y/nQ6zzykRkXG7gsG9Fg1MXNsNoaSw1kUO+i7yaes28cP0dBv3dffLviV0T ytu7bs2h8sV/pXkrWAuUTV2LtfAvma7zFrWtHo5HWE7szrtatY+u61R7+ubuy0yACSoz R0Vi0Yyo/y1L5wKpFUGmjNxxVONWb/ir1tKMlR+o3HWbnDjOhAfR+DCquYuUKJzom51K +YE2TJVvD/H3jr3MHLaDjc/F8FZndr8v1RG9eeCGPLVuMpAUQHCe9E7po3N2NLsI/+Z/ lEXw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <0C4912EE-4A94-4FB7-B714-5ECC11669BED@baymoon.com> From: todd reynolds Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:35:08 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Congratulations to Bill To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f64347cd1624504c764a271 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:35:50 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f64347cd1624504c764a271 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks! On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Jim Goodin wrot= e: > Todd here's the link, pull it down. Whole project is great but that last > track is just a frigging killer... > http://www.icareifyoulisten.com/summer-2012-mixtape/ > > Jim > > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:28 PM, todd reynolds wrote= : > >> Ooooooh yeah=85 BJ's a good friend! (and how don't I know about this da= rn >> sampler? it's my own family!) >> >> Once again, Bill, whenever these vids come through of you, I always clic= k >> and I always enjoy them=85 >> >> Cheers, >> >> Todd >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Jim Goodin w= rote: >> >>> Bill tad off topic but timely with this post and seeing you now wanted >>> to pass this along. Stumbled on to this release recently from Bang On = the >>> Can, a free summer sampler that has a lovely lovely closing lap steel >>> featured track from Icebreaker and BJ Cole. The track is in the sample= s on >>> this link page (An Ending Ascent II) and made me think of you. >>> http://bangonacan.org/store/music/apollo >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:02 PM, William Walker >> > wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Phil, that was shot at Moog in March of 2011, and skillfully >>>> edited for continuity, I really enjoyed the time I spent with that >>>> instrument, they were kind enough to loan me one for a few months and = I >>>> passed it among some lap steel colleagues before doing an online revie= w >>>> with them for Guitar Player magazine. The review didn't quite turn out= the >>>> way I had hoped but it was fun. Hopefully I will buy one at some point= , >>>> probably after the Mayan calendar ends and the whole "end of the world= " >>>> thing blows over :-) >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, >>> color blue, repetitive minimalism' >>> >>> *The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music* - >>> 'Organically inspired New Music' >>> >>> *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, >>> a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceed= s from >>> this CD will benefit *JDRF International * >>> >>> *Tips Across the Waters >>> *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> =95 *The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011* - Amazon.com >> >> =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available whereve= r >> music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! >> >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> http://toddreynolds.com >> http://twitter.com/digifiddler >> http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic >> http://blog.toddreynolds.com >> http://facebook.com/toddreynolds >> http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds >> >> need me right away? Call or text me at 917.576.6166 >> >> >> >> > > > -- > -- > *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, > color blue, repetitive minimalism' > > *The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music* - > 'Organically inspired New Music' > > *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a > new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds fr= om > this CD will benefit *JDRF International * > > *Tips Across the Waters > *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =95 *The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011* - Amazon.com =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://toddreynolds.com http://twitter.com/digifiddler http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://facebook.com/toddreynolds http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds need me right away? Call or text me at 917.576.6166 --e89a8f64347cd1624504c764a271 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks! =A0


On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at = 12:31 PM, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> wrote= :
Todd here's the link, pull it down.=A0 Whole project is great but = that last track is just a frigging killer... http://www.icareifyoul= isten.com/summer-2012-mixtape/
=A0
Jim

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:28 PM,= todd reynolds <toddreyn@gmail.com> wrote:
Ooooooh yeah=85 BJ's a good friend! =A0(and how don= 9;t I know about this darn sampler? =A0it's my own family!) =A0

Once again, Bill, whenever these vids come through of you, I= always click and I always enjoy them=85=A0

Cheers,=A0

Todd

=


On Thu, Aug 16, 201= 2 at 12:13 PM, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> = wrote:
Bill tad off topic but timely with this post and seei= ng you now wanted to pass this along.=A0 Stumbled on to this release recent= ly from Bang On the Can, a free summer sampler that has a lovely lovely clo= sing lap steel featured track from Icebreaker and BJ Cole.=A0 The track is = in the samples on this link page (An Ending Ascent II) and made me think of= you.=A0 http://bangonacan.org/store/music/apollo
=A0
Jim

On Thu, Aug = 16, 2012 at 12:02 PM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com><= /span> wrote:
Thanks Phil, that was shot at Moog in March of 2011, and s= killfully edited for continuity, I really enjoyed the time I spent with tha= t instrument, they were kind enough to loan me one for a few months and I p= assed it among some lap steel colleagues before doing an online review with= them for Guitar Player magazine. The review didn't quite turn out the = way I had hoped but it was fun. Hopefully I will buy one at some point, pro= bably after the Mayan calendar ends and the whole "end of the world&qu= ot; thing blows over :-)
=A0Bill




--
--
jimgoodin.com - 'Acoustic guitar renaissan= ce, color blue, repetitive minimalism'
=A0
The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music=A0- 'Org= anically inspired New Music'
=A0
From Brooklyn To Gl= indran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter = Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF International

Tips Across the Waters, a= new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.




--
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=95 The Best Classical= Music of=A0the Year, 2011 - Amazon.com

=95=A0Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now avail= able wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however!=A0=

need me right away? =A0Call or text me at 917.576.6166






--
--
jimgoodin.com -= 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism'
=A0
The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music=A0- 'Org= anically inspired New Music'
=A0
From Brooklyn To Gl= indran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter = Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF International

Tips Across the Waters, a= new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.




--
= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=95 The Best Classical Music of=A0the= Year, 2011 - Amazon.com

=95=A0Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now avail= able wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however!=A0=

need me right away? =A0Call or text me at 917.576.6166



--e89a8f64347cd1624504c764a271-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 16:45:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A8D918345D; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:45:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 707839.33400.bm@omp1006.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1345135207; bh=KGWU8W9zTF86hxlLE+pxsacfQdZhrkfoOdc6UQ8A3+A=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=APXqOOvTpP3FjsLDUkQKY34j64hhB9J8d4qlyZlkvNmwSULh75BzgiEkgfpTTFYQXg1tL4w98qMWRE6lYmiinTnWnFfOSJMopUe+oz/SWaCFiIgheKWYsJE0FNuhOwMWMothals4JUenoMb0j6ffgNWg4HpwrgQilUJekhP2Mco= X-YMail-OSG: TY9PHTgVM1mXnECb2OacgltT3XOd6xEQKsnz2PAXeGM5Jn1 nsTXV0RrPfu02HeAzeheruYfcIvketY2k5DzrN9MvrdKlWS7fs_s2vdjm3fX pAJFlmOw2dwDBi1pnP9OinWFGreNa3znGprErKGkGWw_LQ2ofmBf4GIBT.bH BM1mxmOHxQGqcSvrHEspnpw22Swr8h9QdgLSnxeOTBVkFq0Ctvuk58qoIkiQ NKqNVAlxaTG59nm.ddDHVG.5kMaLRvfru4YrukjtyphlKqlUO8AMDV8xXGfl jR7Pvel99Ady7gY0eRF62rInfLawdBu4YP52WgXNxzi3JU1zrnZAgp8PSrcL 2fXmtOyKMoOsRwvsVEo5_WfmF0jOeMmsYI.qiWglRVp0AijJujjRP0fkKO3s BS3Gg4TqsIraMTVkFHOKK_jT.PZLnqlCaVqN0.Tou.tn39WP_rudL2GBAgu9 fQnbksCpy0a0sEJCagGCQnIHKK16Jo1jehxyqudBmK2rlqB0ULCLyz2GaqAT 1HP0- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1345135206.71071.YahooMailClassic@web84503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 09:40:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: Congratulations to Bill To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0C4912EE-4A94-4FB7-B714-5ECC11669BED@baymoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:45:53 +0000 (UTC) "Hopefully I will buy one at some point, probably after the Mayan calendar ends and the whole "end of the world" thing blows over :-)" The world is not ready, Bill. ;-) But screw 'em if they can't handle it. --- On Thu, 8/16/12, William Walker wrote: > From: William Walker > Subject: Re: Congratulations to Bill > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Thursday, August 16, 2012, 12:02 PM > Thanks Phil, that was shot at Moog in > March of 2011, and skillfully edited for continuity, I > really enjoyed the time I spent with that instrument, they > were kind enough to loan me one for a few months and I > passed it among some lap steel colleagues before doing an > online review with them for Guitar Player magazine. The > review didn't quite turn out the way I had hoped but it was > fun. Hopefully I will buy one at some point, probably after > the Mayan calendar ends and the whole "end of the world" > thing blows over :-) > Bill > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 16:58:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52519183451; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:58:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: history essay updated Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 18:58:06 +0200 Message-ID: <002c01cd7bd0$4ed7c530$ec874f90$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac17rP4FpamBmfBURWq9IUIayUz65AAInUAw Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:58:18 +0000 (UTC) hi Per and all, thanks for praise and suggestions ... yes it could = easily be longer but ... my initial impetus to write this was that too = often I heard people say that Fripp invented livelooping :) so, the = text tries to explain how it really was ... I think if I added more = paragraphs about all the other interesting things that somehow have to = do with repetition and loops, this could easily turn into a book about = modern music, and I don't want to write that :) =20 -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 18:59:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F8BE18345D; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 18:59:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Tynn6pmUhT7uLYsLPcvFplKneSgr9a78tqVz2pgFY5s=; b=bS6MRgfz4nVWF4qSZ7cP39FPmJz/Zm6ahLT5mcq2eXwr247V0NAsZYUYQk/IzXW63T Dv5M+Pwv52Pcg9n9hxRzZafAHaJS8knvDDIXVFxZlBeEikdFllvTd5XlGuF9lbPYb02P Cy0XG4J5Ka48+eseyyPhgTd+4JTxrmy/lasP/pQSfq/dZZrzMyLfN9olCB5swnhkAxbw cEu/msiEt6NO+a2mS6iSRJNNgWUGkOzXDBjuIuGNHAOZVctsXbklaiBfVqhxYfR3gNpD PmUn3fT/WmH0T9UKybGWHXUX+bDjAE+xOIg09NhZr+7NVrK/g40Y7uesePgVUSrJnYsu hhIw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <502D1568.8060406@soundscapes.us> References: <502D1568.8060406@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:58:59 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Listen to Galactic Travels From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04182658d4ea9504c766a2d7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 18:59:00 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04182658d4ea9504c766a2d7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Is there a way to listen to this on FM in the West Coast? On Aug 16, 2012 8:45 AM, "Bill Fox" wrote: > GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/**galactic-travels > ==============================**==============================** > =========== > Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the > month-long Special Focus on The Tangent Project. The Featured CD at > Midnight will be "Live - The Gatherings 05.17.08." > > Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that > airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and > Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville > and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 > FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org on the internet. > > Note: The WDIY website has changed and the Galactic Travels portion is > gone. I am working this issue. Meanwhile, http://galactictravels.info > doesn't work. > > --f46d04182658d4ea9504c766a2d7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Is there a way to listen to this on FM in the West Coast?

On Aug 16, 2012 8:45 AM, "Bill Fox" &l= t;billyfox@soundscapes.us>= ; wrote:
GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: =A0 =A0 http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-tra= vels
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D
Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the
month-long Special Focus on The Tangent Project. =A0The Featured CD at
Midnight will be "Live - The Gatherings 05.17.08."

Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that
airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and
Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville
and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1
FM. =A0Listen at http://wdiy.= org on the internet.

Note: The WDIY website has changed and the Galactic Travels portion is
gone. =A0I am working this issue. =A0Meanwhile, http://galactictravels.info
doesn't work.

--f46d04182658d4ea9504c766a2d7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 02:40:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9122118345E; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 02:40:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0862218314==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120817024019.16071.32960.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 22:40:19 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: 50th anniversary of realtime looping? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 02:40:35 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0862218314== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello!=20Will=20you=20tell=20me=20about=20this=20thing=20next=20year=20with= =20the=2050th=20anniversary=20of=20live=20looping?=20I'm=20 guessing=20it=20has=20something=20to=20do=20with=20tape=20delay.=20Were=20t= here=20any=20recordings=20that=20prove=201960s=20realtime=20 looping?=20Give=20me=20more=20details;=20I=20think=20I=20can=20arrange=20so= mething.=20Tell=20me=20when=20this=20anniversary=20is.=20 I=20think=20I=20can=20ask=20Google=20to=20do=20a=20"Doodle"=20(you=20know,= =20the=20modified=20logo=20for=20the=20special=20occasion)=20 for=20the=20live=20looping=20anniversary. Tyler=20Z --===============0862218314==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 08:44:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9534518345A; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 08:44:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=uYbv+ipGs+giZlMxFR+YijZxa75yniNdvhJBZR4N23A=; b=JZiWvgj4cum1IMbXlsDhIgJiY6JgnNINEKvt4xYio7QazV1vELhfNK99fSrNkG6u1M rFoogPabm7MWEOZJEGV/d6kVWgRA2X+3JGoEMsCJF36pb13+ZpnSd7hM8CI70uguB3qU OUXuDzPQ4bsNA4IMWFoMP5CpCYWLJqtjJkXXlGs3u8kHilAeaqVtAYimZImSFzu93+gL DTzspJciPUStnbUsHLJqWPhJVpKxYemlsOCNS0S6H3zHIAP8b6CSI3Icr+EMjNzzaXZN 23GUZrXyhQfg411SQK2XkS44jF0+ppMYsG/kZMXPZghz/9Kpc9gq+x83NRq7NVlfp0UC e1Rg== Subject: Re: history essay updated References: <004a01cd7b95$b742bc00$25c83400$@de> From: F_Anile Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-47AC3013-E762-43AF-A128-82DBB5FDE8EB X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B176) In-Reply-To: <004a01cd7b95$b742bc00$25c83400$@de> Message-Id: <531E3230-C30A-484E-94AE-4D3ED3BE6B23@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 10:44:29 +0200 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: <9NUQg.A.0QC.zRgLQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 08:44:35 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-47AC3013-E762-43AF-A128-82DBB5FDE8EB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Interesting and well written, Michael. I'll use your writing for the theoric part of my nextcoming workshop about l= ive looping. -f Il giorno 16/ago/2012, alle ore 11:58, "Michael Peters" ha s= critto: > I updated and rewrote parts of my old "birth of loop" history essay, espec= ially the final paragraphs about "today's loops". Comments? > =20 > Many people know that I am one of those loopers who clearly advocate the i= mportance of livelooping over the role of static loops (which have become ei= ther identical with sample playback in live music, or with cut+paste in stud= io work, completely ubiquitous and therefore practically invisible today), s= o I know not everyone will agree with all of what I wrote :) but I'm open t= o learning and to other opinions. > =20 > http://www.livelooping.org/history/theory/the-birth-of-loop > =20 > -Michael --Apple-Mail-47AC3013-E762-43AF-A128-82DBB5FDE8EB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Interesting and well writt= en, Michael.
I'll use your writing for the theoric part of my next= coming workshop about live looping.

-f


<= /div>

Il giorno 16/ago/2012, alle ore 11:58, "Michael Peters" <mp@mpeters.de> ha scritto:

I updated an= d rewrote parts of my old "birth of loop" history essay, especially the fina= l paragraphs about "today's loops".  <= /span>Comments?

 

Many p= eople know that I am one of those loopers who c= learly advocate the importance of livelooping o= ver the role of static loops (which have become either identical with sample= playback in live music, or with cut+paste in s= tudio work, completely ubiquitous and therefore practically invisible today)= ,  so I know not everyone will a= gree with all of what I wrote  = :)  but I'm open to learning an= d to other opinions.

 

http://w= ww.livelooping.org/history/theory/the-birth-of-loop

 

-Michael=

= --Apple-Mail-47AC3013-E762-43AF-A128-82DBB5FDE8EB-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 08:59:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3755A18345D; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 08:59:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "'Tyler'" , References: <20120817024019.16071.32960.levelstar.mail@everest> In-Reply-To: <20120817024019.16071.32960.levelstar.mail@everest> Subject: RE: 50th anniversary of realtime looping? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 10:59:20 +0200 Message-ID: <005101cd7c56$9711f2e0$c535d8a0$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac18IaPz8AWWSfgdSVmQGwZ81ybiwgAM0nIA Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 08:59:33 +0000 (UTC) hi Tyler,=20 you will find everything about it in that history essay that I posted = about yesterday: http://www.livelooping.org/history/theory/the-birth-of-loop/ The first livelooping was done on July 9, 1963 by Terry Riley in Paris = for a performance of "Music for the Gift". He used two tape recorders, a = setup he later called Time Lag Accumulator (the same kind of setup that = Eno and Fripp used in 1973). He did many concerts with it during the = 1960s. Some of his early livelooping music can be heard on his 1967 = album "A Rainbow in Curved Air".=20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_riley -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 09:00:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E033A183460; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 09:00:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "'Tyler'" , References: <20120817024019.16071.32960.levelstar.mail@everest> In-Reply-To: <20120817024019.16071.32960.levelstar.mail@everest> Subject: RE: 50th anniversary of realtime looping? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:00:48 +0200 Message-ID: <005201cd7c56$cbace5f0$6306b1d0$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac18IaPz8AWWSfgdSVmQGwZ81ybiwgANQJDQ Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 09:00:58 +0000 (UTC) > I think I can ask Google to do a "Doodle" (you know, the modified logo = for the special occasion) for the live looping anniversary. that would be awesome. Please let us know more -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 09:47:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65A6A183461; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 09:47:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_dc51696a-a190-4a3a-9f4f-b989f96f2256_" X-Originating-IP: [217.92.117.212] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: RE: 50th anniversary of realtime looping? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 09:47:20 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <005101cd7c56$9711f2e0$c535d8a0$@de> References: <20120817024019.16071.32960.levelstar.mail@everest>,<005101cd7c56$9711f2e0$c535d8a0$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2012 09:47:21.0289 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C063390:01CD7C5D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 09:47:22 +0000 (UTC) --_dc51696a-a190-4a3a-9f4f-b989f96f2256_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I love that album. I did not know it was looping=2C I thought it was just a= repetitive music going slightly out of phase.Well=2C a repetitive music is= somehow a loop.Mumble mumble mumble...:) > From: mp@mpeters.de > To: programmer651@comcast.net=3B loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: 50th anniversary of realtime looping? > Date: Fri=2C 17 Aug 2012 10:59:20 +0200 >=20 > hi Tyler=2C=20 >=20 > you will find everything about it in that history essay that I posted abo= ut yesterday: > http://www.livelooping.org/history/theory/the-birth-of-loop/ >=20 > The first livelooping was done on July 9=2C 1963 by Terry Riley in Paris = for a performance of "Music for the Gift". He used two tape recorders=2C a = setup he later called Time Lag Accumulator (the same kind of setup that Eno= and Fripp used in 1973). He did many concerts with it during the 1960s. So= me of his early livelooping music can be heard on his 1967 album "A Rainbow= in Curved Air".=20 >=20 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_riley >=20 > -Michael >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 = --_dc51696a-a190-4a3a-9f4f-b989f96f2256_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I love that album. I did not know it was looping=2C I thought it was just a= repetitive music going slightly out of phase.
Well=2C a repetitive mus= ic is somehow a loop.
Mumble mumble mumble...
:)
>=3B From: mp@mpeters.de
&= gt=3B To: programmer651@comcast.net=3B loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com<= br>>=3B Subject: RE: 50th anniversary of realtime looping?
>=3B Date= : Fri=2C 17 Aug 2012 10:59:20 +0200
>=3B
>=3B hi Tyler=2C
&g= t=3B
>=3B you will find everything about it in that history essay tha= t I posted about yesterday:
>=3B http://www.livelooping.org/history/th= eory/the-birth-of-loop/
>=3B
>=3B The first livelooping was done= on July 9=2C 1963 by Terry Riley in Paris for a performance of "Music for = the Gift". He used two tape recorders=2C a setup he later called Time Lag A= ccumulator (the same kind of setup that Eno and Fripp used in 1973). He did= many concerts with it during the 1960s. Some of his early livelooping musi= c can be heard on his 1967 album "A Rainbow in Curved Air".
>=3B
= >=3B http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_riley
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<= /div> = --_dc51696a-a190-4a3a-9f4f-b989f96f2256_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 09:50:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BA70183473; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 09:50:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <502E13CB.40000@virgin.net> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 10:50:03 +0100 From: Dave Draper Reply-To: dh.draper@virgin.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 50th anniversary of realtime looping? References: <20120817024019.16071.32960.levelstar.mail@everest> In-Reply-To: <20120817024019.16071.32960.levelstar.mail@everest> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-Smarthost04-IP: [82.69.58.35] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 09:50:09 +0000 (UTC) On 17/08/2012 03:40, Tyler wrote: > Hello! Will you tell me about this thing next year with the 50th anniversary of live looping? I'm > guessing it has something to do with tape delay. Were there any recordings that prove 1960s realtime > looping? Give me more details; I think I can arrange something. Tell me when this anniversary is. > I think I can ask Google to do a "Doodle" (you know, the modified logo for the special occasion) > for the live looping anniversary. > Tyler Z > Wasn't Les Paul doing it in the fifties? I feel it must be older than fifty years somehow? Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 10:28:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E312183464; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 10:28:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=tEkdjwqV4QZeC/BlzttgP2b/PRWLXD3em8AoZ+C8Wpw=; b=ldwHf/K9pbpGnHn3jOfH5zu9YQQ9jY1ZosHUyIvJjAQfH2vAOZDfj1Tm3kkKQdSfwp DOJzWHoVVNVqmusqkGT566xGrxL0UV4uf7z5SoqZ3cpvxE7HRbtE2jZdpWAF7mKR+211 fpkup8NMnCOhoT2pyurBvxTePzB702VslP+dU6Y5pgSG3ote1MKbWw6y8uDoHb9/pSf6 nZNRI+xvAIJWRY4Kq/GEn2Ai3zhsd7yZ8IlkihHruw5iWp4Eaok0msnbZdke72gjQqdB 5v4S1NXlSwzxenvqDr971OXRX5SOZ4jYBFsrx1Tk/y0iyqzFvisLNBxzGc9KR8KBQPKj XyTQ== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: 50th anniversary of realtime looping? From: Matthias Grob In-Reply-To: <502E13CB.40000@virgin.net> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 07:27:45 -0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6C7F8B4A-5BC8-4FDB-8821-08DA8486F865@gmail.com> References: <20120817024019.16071.32960.levelstar.mail@everest> <502E13CB.40000@virgin.net> To: Loop List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 10:28:20 +0000 (UTC) certainly they glued tape to loops in the 50ies, so studio looping is = older as far as I understood, Les Paul brought ready tapes to stage and lovelooping started with the two tape machine idea unfortunately I do not have time to research this On 17 Aug 2012, at 06:50, Dave Draper wrote: > On 17/08/2012 03:40, Tyler wrote: >> Hello! Will you tell me about this thing next year with the 50th = anniversary of live looping? I'm >> guessing it has something to do with tape delay. Were there any = recordings that prove 1960s realtime >> looping? Give me more details; I think I can arrange something. Tell = me when this anniversary is. >> I think I can ask Google to do a "Doodle" (you know, the modified = logo for the special occasion) >> for the live looping anniversary. >> Tyler Z >>=20 >=20 > Wasn't Les Paul doing it in the fifties? I feel it must be older than = fifty years somehow? > Dave >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 13:43:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F285183460; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:43:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=rHobaPpVxluXJ8JsIvWUCEwYeOz733uZxJYCLgNERLI=; b=Ia15jNO7ran0ZzWqCuG9jUUc5XpMeHo+u6slRj+jQwBEyX82KyqnOaLwj3xS/2HWDl ISJnLxT/VOCuFBvNP/Vic+Xy04VJPaENGM5mI/Rhs0SHYDhyJC6INB1BgwC+IftOJu2n uipVYFqe2Rz83TtKlqa4KBx4l9LXj28NOCbLiYWvS/Xrptu2n5VAQdX5eUg+tz1hkPaW uulNRh90m5vckZDpVpBEAqhwfG86mT5j/o9YYSCL9+K/T4RY5L2/XgycVfNI7uuZE5LG yzOcksD8nr5zNE0/186/cnY8NwrrNbxULOLaD+yC9dfzlFmGRIg2WUOSCwZXwWkL/UI0 YN4A== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <502D1568.8060406@soundscapes.us> From: Torben Scharling Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 15:42:31 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Listen to Galactic Travels To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:43:13 +0000 (UTC) What has this show got to do with looping, and why do we on the LD list frequently receive a topic on the fact that there's another one of those shows online? Just curious, /Torben Scharling On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:58 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > Is there a way to listen to this on FM in the West Coast? > > On Aug 16, 2012 8:45 AM, "Bill Fox" wrote: >> >> GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels >> ======================================================================= >> Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the >> month-long Special Focus on The Tangent Project. The Featured CD at >> Midnight will be "Live - The Gatherings 05.17.08." >> >> Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that >> airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and >> Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville >> and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 >> FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org on the internet. >> >> Note: The WDIY website has changed and the Galactic Travels portion is >> gone. I am working this issue. Meanwhile, http://galactictravels.info >> doesn't work. >> > -- De Bedste Hilsner / Best Regards Torben Scharling - Mobile: +45 61 66 60 09 - e-mail: ts@torbenscharling.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 14:52:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FD22183453; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 14:52:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 796908024/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.27.47/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.27.47 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAERaLlBYbRsv/2dsb2JhbAANOL1hAQEBBDhAEQsNCwkWDwkDAgECAUUcAa4jlB6OaoMcA5sYNYx1 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,786,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="796908024" Message-ID: <502E5AA9.9080404@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 15:52:25 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Listen to Galactic Travels References: <502D1568.8060406@soundscapes.us> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 14:52:36 +0000 (UTC) Because when Bill politely asked if he should continue posting the consensus of the list was that he should. andy Torben Scharling wrote: > What has this show got to do with looping, and why do we on the LD > list frequently receive a topic on the fact that there's another one > of those shows online? > > Just curious, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 15:22:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F43C183460; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 15:22:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <005101cd7c56$9711f2e0$c535d8a0$@de> References: <20120817024019.16071.32960.levelstar.mail@everest> <005101cd7c56$9711f2e0$c535d8a0$@de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Revfever Subject: Re: 50th anniversary of realtime looping? (Landry / Cluster / Ostertag) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 08:22:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host5.webserveralpha.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ubergadget.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 15:22:44 +0000 (UTC) Don't forget Richard "Dickie" Landry from the USA. He may not have been the first, or did his live looping as far back as Terry Riley (or Les Paul?) did, but he was still an early pioneer with live looping performances and solo saxophone in the mid 70's. He also worked with Philip Glass all thru the 70's. His previously very rare and many years out of print album "15 Saxophones" has been out on CD for a small few years now. Definitely a piece of very significant musical history, loopage and otherwise, and has been compared a bit to the early works of Riley. Apparently, Landry is still active today, but there's not a whole lot to be found out about him on the Web. Here is one good link I found: http://incessantnoise.blogspot.com/2009/08/dickie-landry-fifteen- saxophones.html This blog also has a lot of other great info! I've definitely bookmarked it. :-) Also, the wonderful and groundbreaking group Cluster were also early users of loops in the 70's, as did also Hans-Joachim Roedelius ( who was one half of Cluster) on some of his early solo albums in the late 70's to early 80's. Cluster's history is *long* and both members are still active today, but currently not together as Cluster. Dieter Moebius is the other former member of Cluster. He is also very worthy of checking out to hear his own many solo works. And then, there is also Bob Ostertag, another early user of loops, who himself is another whole and *long* story entirely... :-) Cheers- Rev.Fever Portlandia http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult On Aug 17, 2012, at 1:59 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > hi Tyler, > > you will find everything about it in that history essay that I > posted about yesterday: > http://www.livelooping.org/history/theory/the-birth-of-loop/ > > The first livelooping was done on July 9, 1963 by Terry Riley in > Paris for a performance of "Music for the Gift". He used two tape > recorders, a setup he later called Time Lag Accumulator (the same > kind of setup that Eno and Fripp used in 1973). He did many > concerts with it during the 1960s. Some of his early livelooping > music can be heard on his 1967 album "A Rainbow in Curved Air". > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_riley > > -Michael > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 15:34:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11B40183460; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 15:34:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=peUhwujAD+Z863OH82PV4l2Qr8qlA328QjUcSlck7f4UdiX0BVA8+3Q6GGNxCpub; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20120817024019.16071.32960.levelstar.mail@everest> <005101cd7c56$9711f2e0$c535d8a0$@de> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:34:32 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: 50th anniversary of realtime looping? (Landry / Cluster / Ostertag) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79f697b814be3937dbb891fd91926784c8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 15:34:47 +0000 (UTC) Excellent link, Rev! Thanks! >Don't forget Richard "Dickie" Landry from the USA. He may not have >been the first, or did his live looping as far back as Terry Riley >(or Les Paul?) did, >but he was still an early pioneer with live looping performances and >solo saxophone in the mid 70's. He also worked with Philip Glass all >thru the 70's. > >His previously very rare and many years out of print album "15 >Saxophones" has been out on CD for a small few years now. Definitely >a piece of very >significant musical history, loopage and otherwise, and has been >compared a bit to the early works of Riley. Apparently, Landry is >still active today, >but there's not a whole lot to be found out about him on the Web. >Here is one good link I found: >http://incessantnoise.blogspot.com/2009/08/dickie-landry-fifteen-saxophones.html > >This blog also has a lot of other great info! I've definitely >bookmarked it. :-) > >Also, the wonderful and groundbreaking group Cluster were also early >users of loops in the 70's, as did also Hans-Joachim Roedelius >( who was one half of Cluster) on some of his early solo albums in >the late 70's to early 80's. Cluster's history is *long* and both >members >are still active today, but currently not together as Cluster. >Dieter Moebius is the other former member of Cluster. He is also >very worthy of >checking out to hear his own many solo works. > >And then, there is also Bob Ostertag, another early user of loops, >who himself is another whole and *long* story entirely... :-) > >Cheers- >Rev.Fever >Portlandia >http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever >http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1 >http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2 >http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult > >On Aug 17, 2012, at 1:59 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > >>hi Tyler, >> >>you will find everything about it in that history essay that I >>posted about yesterday: >>http://www.livelooping.org/history/theory/the-birth-of-loop/ >> >>The first livelooping was done on July 9, 1963 by Terry Riley in >>Paris for a performance of "Music for the Gift". He used two tape >>recorders, a setup he later called Time Lag Accumulator (the same >>kind of setup that Eno and Fripp used in 1973). He did many >>concerts with it during the 1960s. Some of his early livelooping >>music can be heard on his 1967 album "A Rainbow in Curved Air". >> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_riley >> >>-Michael -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 16:11:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6384183460; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 16:11:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 865317.42958.bm@omp1036.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1345219880; bh=1M7vbu0sx6xxecbSK2rTrBYk1A7JO9UGqc0Nu2I4UvU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1ZiUNGfO1TfhWEZfPf+1kM7ospmUUZGE1AIYsX1LiuH0fGWM8cdJBsv/PoJXR6rKdtE+NuhuoidyilzCx3EDvRrK6a/QW6Ld8j0CcKiZT3rwvCblyoUd0kbhMb+Zy70X9Ohxkz2XTcrFYfR0Vb0xyq2a1AjhtWbZX92nZNZSXgE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wmNERFaGyZV1jc1OeRToNh7Zk05/6f1Ld6jjjZdVP5IEkI+mUdRMjLpLYJMMh5v70k4Ac2fxawlkFFbSn8XcKybNme12KQCU8mfFFWYXizlKC8o969kh/MIcNhYHeqHaRBeAp2zl88sfMOcDX/sXZKYjXQCKwgX2btOdBLAkbsU=; X-YMail-OSG: QhRXPXQVM1ngjVoj7Wvp9c6UQ9Tl55TyDe1jXKN86tAaeGN p3QdxVuxVQ6WEUP7a1ro8EyQra16RzY_pQgnqExffc3G3d8iXd2g2OkRvXX9 5cry43rUchFuSLiAGDadj133foT..oceDWSIYs0_biATsjFA_h83wEhmPXYl 3BmjzPu2InZvZb4WMj6glymCkyy6LabYPaQkGIU8275_B0kDSrOl4wYW2Gv_ M8ZCqOEqiMVpDqoy4nKfO5OqHUkcoACDuyOfS1hnJxItR_csiQogAavqqe9L 5vw_sdDMuIvgCZKTzReXKLVu547zKiDnk.mchtCdPJyEvViy5KJHEVYCPcS6 jxw42VcOzlfotheejuL7abRakqIh1LYzr7obh3dCDK.W3453tUz83drnxhpn Ie.jZeVN1.gGL3QdDx09ovwnffrZRjn80CS0YUmGUTUOXU.WT81KMlqanOPy _2vzXHknyEmcuYqt1s93rDpst63KfC91Stwc- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: <20120817024019.16071.32960.levelstar.mail@everest> <005201cd7c56$cbace5f0$6306b1d0$@de> Message-ID: <1345219880.5581.YahooMailNeo@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 09:11:20 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: 50th anniversary of realtime looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005201cd7c56$cbace5f0$6306b1d0$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-3126525-1914479488-1345219880=:5581" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 16:11:21 +0000 (UTC) ---3126525-1914479488-1345219880=:5581 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii OOPS! I got it wrong. Not Terry Rielly. I meant Pauline Oliveros at the San Fransisco Tape Center. She did quite a bit of work using tape echo and I believe, loops. Rig ________________________________ From: Michael Peters To: 'Tyler' ; loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 2:00 AM Subject: RE: 50th anniversary of realtime looping? > I think I can ask Google to do a "Doodle" (you know, the modified logo for the special occasion) for the live looping anniversary. that would be awesome. Please let us know more -Michael ---3126525-1914479488-1345219880=:5581 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii OOPS! I got it wrong. Not Terry Rielly. I meant Pauline Oliveros at the San Fransisco Tape Center. She did quite a bit of work using tape echo and I believe, loops.
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From: Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de>
To: 'Tyler' <programmer651@comcast.net>; loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 2:00 AM
Subject: RE: 50th anniversary of realtime looping?

> I think I can ask Google to do a "Doodle" (you know, the modified logo for the special occasion) for the live looping anniversary.

that would be awesome. Please let us know more

-Michael




---3126525-1914479488-1345219880=:5581-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 17:00:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8139183455; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:00:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 5237 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:00:47 UTC Message-ID: <502E6448.4070708@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 16:33:28 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 50th anniversary of realtime looping? References: <20120817024019.16071.32960.levelstar.mail@everest> <502E13CB.40000@virgin.net> In-Reply-To: <502E13CB.40000@virgin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:00:47 +0000 (UTC) Dave Draper wrote: > Wasn't Les Paul doing it in the fifties? I feel it must be older than > fifty years somehow? > Dave > > No, he had a tape deck with a stop/start footswitch. ..and pre-recorded backing. Stockhausen had a live loop setup that was different to the "time lag accumulator". Just one deck, a tape loop, and the heads swapped round. I'll see if I can find a date. I suspect that I read this in a rare book that was lost when Norwich Library burned. ....but presumably it was *before* this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solo_(Stockhausen) which uses seven tape decks in series, a much more complex arrangement. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 08:27:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F15E183453; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 08:27:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <502F51D2.6000900@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 04:26:58 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Thought Radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 08:27:14 +0000 (UTC) THOUGHT RADIO: http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio ======================================================================= My next stint on Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show, will be Saturday, August 18 at 6 am EDT/GMT-4. In Phase One, I will continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I host the show every other week. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 15:25:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56FE0183465; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 15:25:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0862218314==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120818152508.6136.32960.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 11:25:08 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: City Lights Music Festival and its comparison to a loop fest Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 15:25:15 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0862218314== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,=20everybody!=20I=20know=20it's=20kind=20of=20too=20late,=20but=20I= =20want=20to=20post=20about=20the=20City=20Lights=20 Music=20Festival=20for=20future=20reference.=20This=20year,=20it=20was=20ye= sterday=20and=20today.=20I=20was=20there=20yesterday,=20and=20I=20 have=20recordings.=20Remember=20when=20I=20said=20that=20a=20Grand=20Rapids= ,=20Michigan=20loop=20fest=20would=20be=20amazing?=20 Well,=20it's=20not=20really=20touted=20as=20a=20loop=20fest,=20but=20the=20= City=20Lights=20Music=20Festival=20(touted=20as=20an=20 electronic=20music=20festival)=20has=20a=20lot=20of=20qualities=20that=20a= =20loop=20fest=20has.=20There's=20something=20many=20 people=20don't=20realize;=20you=20say=20the=20biggest=20city=20in=20Michiga= n=20is=20Detroit,=20and=20that's=20right!=20But=20Grand=20 Rapids=20is=20the=20SECOND=20biggest.=20It's=20a=20growing=20city,=20and=20= we=20hope=20more=20events=20can=20take=20place=20 there;=20maybe=20a=20real=20loop=20fest!=20Who=20knows?=20But=20the=20City= =20Lights=20Music=20Festival=20frequently=20 made=20use=20of=20something=20that=20is=20very=20similar=20to=20live=20loop= ing.=20Most=20of=20the=20samples=20that=20the=20festival=20DJ'S=20 used=20were=20prerecorded,=20but=20if=20the=20DJ'S=20just=20put=20on=20the= =20music=20and=20left=20it=20alone,=20the=20sample=20would=20just=20 play.=20But=20the=20DJ'S=20kept=20hitting=20repeat=20buttons=20on=20specifi= c=20parts=20of=20the=20samples,=20making=20it=20 "live"=20looping,=20so=20to=20speak.=20I=20don't=20have=20my=20recording=20= of=20the=20CLMF=20online,=20but=20you=20can=20find=20out=20more=20about=20 it=20here: http://www.citylightsmusicfestival.com Tyler=20Z --===============0862218314==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 05:00:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 496D0183460; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 05:00:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 05:00:46 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 00:00:32 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Meditation in Blue -- new piece on You Tube Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 05:00:47 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, "Meditation on Blue" (http://youtu.be/bmGZ5vWu8HE) is the simplest piece I have ever posted. One sequence, one filter, no music, and (to me, at least) a certain magic. It is one of those happy accidents that can bless the artist who is attentive enough to notice them. I was working on some material to use in my live mixing performances, and had made a six minute sequence of symmetrized video from two shots of trees over and reflected in water. I often take these sequences make make variants of them for mixing by applying different filters to the entire sequence, and putting the versions that I like on the same DVD as the original for use in performance. When I do this, I am not attempting to make finished pieces. In this case, one of the sequences particularly caught my eye. I looked closely at it, and decided that it was a complete piece in its own right and didn't even need a soundtrack. You can watch it in silence or with any music that is expansive and not aggressive -- such as Indian Classical Music, Bach, or any kind of (relatively quiet) improvised music. Enjoy, and please let me know what you think of the pieces. BTW Some of my photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 05:28:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 097C9183460; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 05:28:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Subject: Re: Meditation in Blue -- new piece on You Tube From: Ed Durbrow In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:28:32 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6DD1B1DA-EEBF-4A43-AACC-331CE3EB24B0@sea.plala.or.jp> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa02b; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:28:32 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 05:28:36 +0000 (UTC) Very trippy and quite a different experience in silence.=20 On Aug 19, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: > Hi folks, >=20 > "Meditation on Blue" (http://youtu.be/bmGZ5vWu8HE) is the simplest = piece I have ever posted. One sequence, one filter, no music, and (to = me, at least) a certain magic. It is one of those happy accidents that = can bless the artist who is attentive enough to notice them. I was = working on some material to use in my live mixing performances, and had = made a six minute sequence of symmetrized video from two shots of trees = over and reflected in water. >=20 > I often take these sequences make make variants of them for mixing by = applying different filters to the entire sequence, and putting the = versions that I like on the same DVD as the original for use in = performance. When I do this, I am not attempting to make finished = pieces. >=20 > In this case, one of the sequences particularly caught my eye. I = looked closely at it, and decided that it was a complete piece in its = own right and didn't even need a soundtrack. >=20 > You can watch it in silence or with any music that is expansive and = not aggressive -- such as Indian Classical Music, Bach, or any kind of = (relatively quiet) improvised music. Enjoy, and please let me know what = you think of the pieces. >=20 >=20 > BTW Some of my photography can be viewed at = http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ > --=20 > " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley >=20 > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. > Video Producer Image Processing Specialist > Video for your HEAD! Boris FX > http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com >=20 Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=3Dwatch http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 08:50:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08E56183453; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 08:50:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=gd5Gju512RmRMvg0BShO1K8CRJy62f9Cpri8KjoBg1U=; b=IXqMNU06ObjKBBFzqglxD8BceAMWmT5pSbMe3GEiW47KNxa4XoRCKVIUISk5Ry5982 UU2tBUf5kS9GKliYoY+GZdlRDfe1IY5IFfOKP1K6nAWB5Pjv95p53fYbFbdX8nXQ/xJ3 XwLCWDuORMxasmm6lECpIEtePOmUWyOsotl8LSyg/PoINdBbVPtRaP521xatOxwpFYnl DA4mdrPelyrqmvqCrGp7nrJwCYW6ExQUCwlFvjfEZJsJPf5y/icBRcNithVwJgz+2Sdj nOqkDXPKQ/SF2IQvV4+8fegMW1EsecpyMA+LZY0RFpOjNAT58KQiyhrVsSrHdNBX2BD9 9RHw== From: Christopher Darrow Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Best iPad Music / Looping Apps Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 01:50:27 -0700 Message-Id: <537ED0B0-3E99-4966-A04C-29D0B5C92F2F@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 08:50:32 +0000 (UTC) I'm sure this has been covered so forgive me for not researching but I'm = about to leave for Burning Man and bought an iPad 2, partly to use as a = sound source for my EWI (Electronic [MIDI] Wind Instrument) and I have = neither time nor money to investigate on my own.=20 I can afford only one or two apps (and truth be told, not even that... = for the moment anyway.) 1) What's a great sound source, particularly for realistic sounds, such = as stand-up bass, etc.? I can't stand, toy like sounds, especially = piano, violin etc. 2) What's a great looping app and doesn't it also have to be the sound = source app? (Isn't it only slight-of-hand multi-tasking, not true = multi-tasking---for most apps anyway... plus you'd have to switch from = one app to the other. So I just don't know how this works, but it must = because I've seen calls from developers on this list.) I'd like to be = able to set up the low notes on my EWI to trigger loop functions. And = multiple loops, overdub, undo. Other then that, simple works fine. I = guess a drummer function would be good too, if it doesn't suck. 3) What else should I know or think about or check out? 4) My plan for protection from dust is to wrap it in Saran Wrap. If I'm = not mistaken, the touch capacity will go through it and I see no vents = on the iPad so heat shouldn't be an issue. Right or wrong? Other = thoughts? THANK YOU for your time responding with any suggestions or ideas.=20 ---Christopher AKA, Rapscallion 503.327.9329= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 14:20:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E775183460; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:20:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kevinkissinger.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=uN7jf/8a0gJPf4wuNwZRrBORNS9oXeZkaTKFCcczLZY=; b=Wr+UTEMsBS7d33SGXy38hJ5gUsKzRhffti9PUKtQ+1l4iAeaEcdD4469pq3yquXmmnievlcDm2qZW2iikgu1QmE6TyYlnDDUyu+G7WMPBA4b4Xvk/u3kch6h6jfbQIom; Message-ID: <20120819092016.2883644hc2iel8v4@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 09:20:16 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: LoopersDelight Subject: Heard live-looper Shannon Haydn in Indy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.11) X-Identified-User: {3864:box516.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:smtp auth 127.0.0.1 authed with kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:20:42 +0000 (UTC) Hello from Indianapolis! I'm writing from Indianapolis where I was part of The Midwest Electronic Music Experience (MEME) event here. Last night a young live looper, Shannon Haydn, played a fantastic set and she has posted a few youtube videos. She plays the 'cello and sings her own live-looping music -- here's an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlstWXXIuj4 -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 14:54:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7576C183460; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:54:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=f4UtVx3yd5mh0UScXcAH66iOZZwQ/d9c1eIso+CMjAc=; b=ie/9Wl7W52HZcuhtOSZyNBuUghCsulnbSKME0g/mdn2PP+vStl2STb1lrSgBxrfR/T b/TRLXyaDb6sPhAmj6p1ewG0eyafolnLoXSqNXim2khlWJomu6Lqp/OErn9LLmbzCrOC Ng+m2jX10WBBjwxeIN9wt/4ZiSrIPrbPDhpIqjuAx9rB+8MBkBkBJnBjHS74fV6Ou3Bb f+EOEX27tMFppUiOm1x04iEaD4WctXyElZdYRGXug1Z3HUoTJLAn9gfqRnysdS9BW574 pS6L/RtgikomfEj/zInOAs8N1k4+0E2AseMbYai2RVFKeSRCBI5o2HVK9uusWTWXENGd pFzg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120819092016.2883644hc2iel8v4@mail.kevinkissinger.com> References: <20120819092016.2883644hc2iel8v4@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:54:54 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Heard live-looper Shannon Haydn in Indy From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <3kzC8.A.MNB._4PMQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:54:55 +0000 (UTC) Super! Highly inspiring. Another proof that a technically simple approach gives the musician better performance value. She never juggles more than one loop at a time and never with more layers to it than two. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 4:20 PM, wrote: > Hello from Indianapolis! > > I'm writing from Indianapolis where I was part of The Midwest Electronic > Music Experience (MEME) event here. > > Last night a young live looper, Shannon Haydn, played a fantastic set and > she has posted a few youtube videos. She plays the 'cello and sings her own > live-looping music -- here's an example: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlstWXXIuj4 > > -- Kevin > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 15:41:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5676183464; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:41:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Best iPad Music / Looping Apps References: <537ED0B0-3E99-4966-A04C-29D0B5C92F2F@gmail.com> From: Jeff Larson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--135998286 In-Reply-To: <537ED0B0-3E99-4966-A04C-29D0B5C92F2F@gmail.com> Message-Id: <95DC63E6-5BF5-4469-B3D5-047F3E1EC505@zonemobius.com> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 10:41:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - slmp-550-64.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:41:49 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5--135998286 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I use one of these for my iPad. http://www.gumdropcases.com/ They have a screen protector built in. There are holes for the camera = and speaker but you could cover those.=20 On Aug 19, 2012, at 3:50 AM, Christopher Darrow wrote: >=20 > 4) My plan for protection from dust is to wrap it in Saran Wrap. If = I'm not mistaken, the touch capacity will go through it and I see no = vents on the iPad so heat shouldn't be an issue. Right or wrong? Other = thoughts? --Apple-Mail-5--135998286 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I use one of these for my iPad.



They have a screen protector built in.  There are holes for the camera and speaker but you could cover those. 

On Aug 19, 2012, at 3:50 AM, Christopher Darrow wrote:


4) My plan for protection from dust is to wrap it in Saran Wrap. If I'm not mistaken, the touch capacity will go through it and I see no vents on the iPad so heat shouldn't be an issue. Right or wrong? Other thoughts?

--Apple-Mail-5--135998286-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 16:22:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D748183461; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:22:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <6C7F8B4A-5BC8-4FDB-8821-08DA8486F865@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6C7F8B4A-5BC8-4FDB-8821-08DA8486F865@gmail.com> Subject: RE: 50th anniversary of realtime looping? Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:22:42 +0200 Message-ID: <003001cd7e26$dbde2c00$939a8400$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac18YvCrXboYbuwURrC1ljgUK3mZcQBwqDaw Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:22:44 +0000 (UTC) Mati wrote, > certainly they glued tape to loops in the 50ies, so studio looping is = older as far as I understood, Les Paul brought ready tapes to stage and = lovelooping started with the two tape machine idea=20 "lovelooping" yes :) it started with the two tape machines in 1963. = And yes, as I wrote in that essay, of course loops (static) are much = older but they are something completely different - more like a = pre-digital way to sample. Les Paul was probably faking his "live" = multitracking, there was a discussion about this on LD: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200211/msg00922.html -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 16:39:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50689183460; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:39:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0592648228==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120819163906.25832.49076.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 12:39:06 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: RE: 50th anniversary of realtime looping? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:39:01 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0592648228== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So=20July=209,=20we=20celebrate=20the=2050th=20anniversary.=20And=20it's=20= mostly=20about=20Terry=20Riley,=20right?=20 I=20think=20I'm=20going=20to=20order=20a=20copy=20of=20Rainbow=20in=20Curve= d=20Air=20then. Tyler=20Z On=20Sun,=2019=20Aug=202012=2018:22:42=20+0200,=20Michael=20Peters=20wrote: >Mati=20wrote, > >>certainly=20they=20glued=20tape=20to=20loops=20in=20the=2050ies,=20so=20s= tudio=20looping=20is=20older=20as=20 >>far=20as=20I=20understood,=20Les=20Paul=20brought=20ready=20tapes=20to=20= stage=20and=20lovelooping=20 >>started=20with=20the=20two=20tape=20machine=20idea=20 > > >"lovelooping"=20yes=20:)=20=20it=20started=20with=20the=20two=20tape=20mac= hines=20in=201963.=20=20And=20yes,=20 >as=20I=20wrote=20in=20that=20essay,=20of=20course=20loops=20(static)=20are= =20much=20older=20but=20they=20are=20 >something=20completely=20different=20-=20more=20like=20a=20pre-digital=20w= ay=20to=20sample.=20Les=20 >Paul=20was=20probably=20faking=20his=20"live"=20multitracking,=20there=20w= as=20a=20discussion=20about=20 >this=20on=20LD: > >http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200211/msg00922.html > >-Michael > > > > --===============0592648228==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 17:36:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6D44183464; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 17:36:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20120819163906.25832.49076.levelstar.mail@everest> References: <20120819163906.25832.49076.levelstar.mail@everest> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3828CDAF-CF83-4AB9-B010-2F18F36CD1A0@ubergadget.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Revfever Subject: Re: 50th anniversary of realtime looping? (BBC Radiophonic Workshop) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 10:36:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host5.webserveralpha.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ubergadget.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 17:36:48 +0000 (UTC) As far as being widely heard and recognized by the public, the BBC Radiophonic Workshop (Daphne Oram, et al...) pioneered the use of tape loops back in the 1950's and they may(?) have even preceded Les Paul. (and....?) Not sure how much they ever did that was "live" looping, a la 2 tape machines, if any at all, but it would not be a surprise if this group of early geniuses had done at least some of that as well. Also, Riley's 'Rainbow in Curved Air' utilized a lot of overdubbing, along with looping. Cheers- Rev.Fever Portlandia http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult On Aug 19, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Tyler wrote: > So July 9, we celebrate the 50th anniversary. And it's mostly about > Terry Riley, right? > I think I'm going to order a copy of Rainbow in Curved Air then. > Tyler Z > On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:22:42 +0200, Michael Peters wrote: > > >> Mati wrote, >> >>> certainly they glued tape to loops in the 50ies, so studio >>> looping is older as >>> far as I understood, Les Paul brought ready tapes to stage and >>> lovelooping >>> started with the two tape machine idea >> >> >> "lovelooping" yes :) it started with the two tape machines in >> 1963. And yes, >> as I wrote in that essay, of course loops (static) are much older >> but they are >> something completely different - more like a pre-digital way to >> sample. Les >> Paul was probably faking his "live" multitracking, there was a >> discussion about >> this on LD: >> >> http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200211/msg00922.html >> >> -Michael >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 17:49:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F5B7183465; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 17:49:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 239830.64497.bm@omp1016.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1345398551; bh=0wiBtH3uPbEB5E4AyhgnCQT4xm8yedlZlUVtTUjMUp0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZgdjsrXKezQRI+dOciz8i03wfiBB/fjghsj1cmGusRzp4TySO5vfNx4uBcQlPCW96dLsxZAEmNsVD+Lbfto3pYEjbxVHQovvCRxjG8lzaF07yy3Tc95lXtahEIB1dZ3dnAlNUdst3wr9yydX4gmjubqGWz3lH/UY5LArE7AJptY= X-YMail-OSG: lS_MRa4VM1kLbPDBKhCbIFc8mwp0A5amurI.XZBkn0ndrvd WKa9I1PeGVohIqP0LPTkLwC8F3X3.0T3.nlZlQa55m617g1YPT_v6FQMIYrY ljfSHHbRYWKLyWFbkvUhB2E1.9r19zvz4ogALZa9.nU19pmdJ_VwAMntsTwa DyeP1j6Xm.aACittGo.CvoiBQyEx.IaF60bDpAOlJ1Lem57rsBL7R5Ea9q4X gma44_ko0CaqGSMGavFlSnKHDSjeMqXK.Hzt8xu_lfzwKq1eBU276CCgaXx6 IuogvKDOMhGTJL.xdGko5DY_FVKsZnYUfdiYou43Mf.YTI3_epQcplzeO2ud a6iqsa7XA1k1xDj3w0VSu3ZpK7AsqJ_9mnSu4FlIuZanhnk3f0Rbr_1AfG4R i9tXvQuTfN7bdU4pzPG8ZXTiSG_rfEemzH0MCe6oOXFDFnKiNwnbLuPihjqS hiJ.FMggWLFI699lIz3._3iPYmawuJJFMgQSJnCXva0FL0dx3KAcaVlRJoXI 9d2kkFiEyxdhX4vVun54KwFWtVlMhCJCvslg1qnM.3iP0Bwh6frYxxKw83Ww 0VVB8opoff2nrLD77be3Gr1Da9ss12FmH2tH5rdJqaQzuijjYtn4UCK7fGy0 wvThfcobwuTGPJstQbmYUVPApT0N05fprkIN0tXnfy15Rm.zoMHgo8FmYWme q6CinJOcDe26PNdxXASf1FyIUJlRlsEuNrO9sLMug X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1345398551.88344.YahooMailClassic@web84502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 10:49:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: 50th anniversary of realtime looping? (BBC Radiophonic Workshop) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3828CDAF-CF83-4AB9-B010-2F18F36CD1A0@ubergadget.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 17:49:13 +0000 (UTC) Yes, the Radiophonic crew did some very nice work indeed! Thanks for bringi= ng them up.=0A=0ATim Mungenast=0Awww.reverbnation.com/timmungenast=0A=0A=0A= --- On Sun, 8/19/12, Revfever wrote:=0A=0A> From:= Revfever =0A> Subject: Re: 50th anniversary of re= altime looping? (BBC Radiophonic Workshop)=0A> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers= -delight.com=0A> Date: Sunday, August 19, 2012, 1:36 PM=0A> As far as being= widely heard and=0A> recognized by the public, the BBC Radiophonic Worksho= p=0A> (Daphne Oram, et al...) pioneered the use of tape loops back=0A> in t= he 1950's=0A> and they may(?) have even preceded Les Paul. (and....?) Not= =0A> sure how much they ever did that was "live" looping, a la 2=0A> tape m= achines, if any at all, but it would=0A> not be a surprise if this group of= early geniuses had done=0A> at least some of that as well.=0A> =0A> Also, = Riley's 'Rainbow in Curved Air' utilized a lot of=0A> overdubbing, along wi= th looping.=0A> =0A> Cheers-=0A> Rev.Fever=0A> Portlandia=0A> http://www.sp= iritone.com/~rvfever=0A> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1=0A> http://www= .cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2=0A> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult=0A> =0A> =0A> = On Aug 19, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Tyler wrote:=0A> =0A> > So July 9, we celebrat= e the 50th anniversary. And it's=0A> mostly about Terry Riley, right?=0A> >= I think I'm going to order a copy of Rainbow in Curved=0A> Air then.=0A> >= Tyler Z=0A> > On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:22:42 +0200, Michael Peters=0A> wrote= :=0A> > =0A> > =0A> >> Mati wrote,=0A> >> =0A> >>> certainly they glued tap= e to loops in the=0A> 50ies, so studio looping is older as=0A> >>> far as I= understood, Les Paul brought ready=0A> tapes to stage and lovelooping=0A> = >>> started with the two tape machine idea=0A> >> =0A> >> =0A> >> "loveloop= ing" yes :)=A0 it started with the two=0A> tape machines in 1963.=A0 And ye= s,=0A> >> as I wrote in that essay, of course loops (static)=0A> are much o= lder but they are=0A> >> something completely different - more like a=0A> p= re-digital way to sample. Les=0A> >> Paul was probably faking his "live" mu= ltitracking,=0A> there was a discussion about=0A> >> this on LD:=0A> >> =0A= > >> http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200211/msg00922.html=0A> >> = =0A> >> -Michael=0A> >> =0A> >> =0A> >> =0A> >> =0A> > =0A> =0A> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 18:09:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60D0518345B; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:09:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=aZYBYOy+Vn9ivzaVveaTpaqEjxk9kVFddrpJy+AfTjQ=; b=HmWcwF+DcuZ/G4lE2B0BbSljuQxzKzWzl4icTMjZN/uKPItpDsZViKs4J/aofKKbpQ 5wVLcQtBCLAajph8ZaH+UGqE67nXyaDVFLzIUwPhM/M28nHtbHUlcodbHR/Fu+Rkqdb+ QYwFLD0+0ULH87GUW1VXE5TBkP4V+w07iKojkG6hFwpRjO17NhU0ghFyh0qfhC6f4I2J rwyfrN7bzwDQqBfsQYyLM6DbFGKLeg6x1wIhr44d54SriQfw9aBQU9GwMHTxn3eaMcy3 7UCvhjJbIQkSgqP6EqZ2qR03HYZGLQiC1xM1Ys8rh8d1D7pq9HF0p44+dcq4BWal6VZI wfTA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:09:22 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: 1952 Live looping recording Re: 50th anniversary of realtime looping? (BBC Radiophonic Workshop) From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d9a021e5cb9d04c7a24aa9 Resent-Message-ID: <9jVj0.A.VSD.TvSMQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:09:23 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d9a021e5cb9d04c7a24aa9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I think it's little more than a footnote, but I found a recording of a live performance at the Museum of Modern Art in 1952 that clearly uses live looping techniques. It's the first live looping recording that I'm aware of. The title is "Sonic Contours" by Vladimir Ussachevsky. It was performed and broadcast live and is basically piano played through a tape delay. Otto Luening also participated in the concert, but "Sonic Contours" is only credited to Ussachevsky. The length of the delay and amount of feedback varies over the performance (maybe at the hand of Luening?). At times the delay is very short producing a slap back echo effect, but at the 5 minute mark, the delay is lengthened and the there is sufficient feedback that several layers of piano are heard on top of each other. Amazon has it as an 99 cent mp3 download: http://www.amazon.com/Sonic-Contours/dp/B000S4B8YK Not my favorite piece of music by any means, but an interesting footnote in the history of live looping. On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Revfever wrote: > As far as being widely heard and recognized by the public, the BBC > Radiophonic Workshop (Daphne Oram, et al...) pioneered the use of tape > loops back in the 1950's > and they may(?) have even preceded Les Paul. (and....?) Not sure how much > they ever did that was "live" looping, a la 2 tape machines, if any at all, > but it would > not be a surprise if this group of early geniuses had done at least some > of that as well. > > Also, Riley's 'Rainbow in Curved Air' utilized a lot of overdubbing, along > with looping. > > Cheers- > Rev.Fever > Portlandia > http://www.spiritone.com/~**rvfever > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/**elemental1 > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/**elemental2 > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult > > > On Aug 19, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Tyler wrote: > > So July 9, we celebrate the 50th anniversary. And it's mostly about Terry >> Riley, right? >> I think I'm going to order a copy of Rainbow in Curved Air then. >> Tyler Z >> On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:22:42 +0200, Michael Peters wrote: >> >> >> Mati wrote, >>> >>> certainly they glued tape to loops in the 50ies, so studio looping is >>>> older as >>>> far as I understood, Les Paul brought ready tapes to stage and >>>> lovelooping >>>> started with the two tape machine idea >>>> >>> >>> >>> "lovelooping" yes :) it started with the two tape machines in 1963. >>> And yes, >>> as I wrote in that essay, of course loops (static) are much older but >>> they are >>> something completely different - more like a pre-digital way to sample. >>> Les >>> Paul was probably faking his "live" multitracking, there was a >>> discussion about >>> this on LD: >>> >>> http://www.loopers-delight.**com/LDarchive/200211/msg00922.**html >>> >>> -Michael >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com --0016e6d9a021e5cb9d04c7a24aa9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think it's little more than a = footnote, but I found a recor= ding of a live performance at the
Museum of Modern Art in=A01952=A0that clearly uses live looping techniques.
It's the first live=A0looping recording that=A0I'm aware of. =A0The title= is "Sonic
Contours" by Vladimir Ussachevs= ky. It was performed and broadcast live
and is basically piano played throug= h a tape delay. Otto Luening also
participated in the concert, but &qu= ot;Sonic Contours" is only credited to
Ussachevsky. The length of the delay= and amount of feedback varies
over the performance (maybe at the h= and of Luening?). At times the
delay is very short producing a slap= back echo effect, but at the 5
minute mark, the delay is lengthened= and the there is sufficient
feedback that several layers of pian= o are heard on top of each other.
Amazon has it as an 99 cent mp3 download:
http://www.amazon.com/Sonic-Contour= s/dp/B000S4B8YK=A0

Not my favorite piece of music by any means, but an interest= ing footnote in the history of live looping.

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Revfever <revfever@ubergadget.= com> wrote:
As far as being widely heard and recognized = by the public, the BBC Radiophonic Workshop (Daphne Oram, et al...) pioneer= ed the use of tape loops back in the 1950's
and they may(?) have even preceded Les Paul. (and....?) Not sure how much t= hey ever did that was "live" looping, a la 2 tape machines, if an= y at all, but it would
not be a surprise if this group of early geniuses had done at least some of= that as well.

Also, Riley's 'Rainbow in Curved Air' utilized a lot of overdub= bing, along with looping.

Cheers-
Rev.Fever
Portlandia
http://www.= spiritone.com/~rvfever
http://ww= w.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1
http://ww= w.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2
http://www.cdb= aby.com/cd/skult


On Aug 19, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Tyler wrote:

So July 9, we celebrate the 50th anniversary. And it's mostly about Ter= ry Riley, right?
I think I'm going to order a copy of Rainbow in Curved Air then.
Tyler Z
On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:22:42 +0200, Michael Peters wrote:


Mati wrote,

certainly they glued tape to loops in the 50ies, so studio looping is older= as
far as I understood, Les Paul brought ready tapes to stage and lovelooping<= br> started with the two tape machine idea


"lovelooping" yes :) =A0it started with the two tape machines in = 1963. =A0And yes,
as I wrote in that essay, of course loops (static) are much older but they = are
something completely different - more like a pre-digital way to sample. Les=
Paul was probably faking his "live" multitracking, there was a di= scussion about
this on LD:

http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200211/msg= 00922.html

-Michael









--
Art Simonsimart@gmail.com=

--0016e6d9a021e5cb9d04c7a24aa9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 21:37:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8538A183460; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:37:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <50315CAC.5090402@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 17:37:48 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #802 for August 16, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <__l5D.A.grE.yyVMQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:37:54 +0000 (UTC) Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #802 August 16, 2012. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels?playlist_date=08-16-2012 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on The Tangent Project. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Live - The Gatherings 05.17.08." PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Broekhuis, Keller Red Two Red (Manikin) and Schonwalder Steve Roach The Dreamer Descends Day Out of Time (Projekt) Northern Valentine fin de siecle fin de siecle (Silbermedia) ['ramp] radiocarbon part 2 return (doombient) ['ramp] lighthouse return (doombient) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== The Tangent Project port0 Live - The Gatherings 05.17.08 The Tangent Project soju Live - The Gatherings 05.17.08 The Tangent Project 20:30 Live - The Gatherings 05.17.08 The Tangent Project shuttle Live 2010-2011 (none) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on The Tangent Project. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Live on Star's End 12.06.09." Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info (temporarily down) Temporary site: http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 21:52:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4AA4183461; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:52:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_59cda959-d01d-4959-96fc-053c69dfe542_" X-Originating-IP: [86.141.145.138] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Heard live-looper Shannon Haydn in Indy Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:52:07 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20120819092016.2883644hc2iel8v4@mail.kevinkissinger.com> References: <20120819092016.2883644hc2iel8v4@mail.kevinkissinger.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2012 21:52:08.0613 (UTC) FILETIME=[E150BD50:01CD7E54] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:52:09 +0000 (UTC) --_59cda959-d01d-4959-96fc-053c69dfe542_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cool performance. I like the minimal looping. Knowing when to stop is an ar= t. :-) Peace=2C g Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > Date: Sun=2C 19 Aug 2012 09:20:16 -0500 > From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Heard live-looper Shannon Haydn in Indy >=20 > Hello from Indianapolis! >=20 > I'm writing from Indianapolis where I was part of The Midwest =20 > Electronic Music Experience (MEME) event here. >=20 > Last night a young live looper=2C Shannon Haydn=2C played a fantastic set= =20 > and she has posted a few youtube videos. She plays the 'cello and =20 > sings her own live-looping music -- here's an example: >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DWlstWXXIuj4 >=20 > -- Kevin >=20 = --_59cda959-d01d-4959-96fc-053c69dfe542_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Cool performance. I like the minimal looping. Knowing when to stop is an ar= t. :-)


Peace=2C

= g

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

>=3B Date: Sun=2C 19 Aug 2012 09:20:16 -0500
= >=3B From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com
>=3B Subject: Heard live-looper Shannon Haydn in Ind= y
>=3B
>=3B Hello from Indianapolis!
>=3B
>=3B I'm wr= iting from Indianapolis where I was part of The Midwest
>=3B Electro= nic Music Experience (MEME) event here.
>=3B
>=3B Last night a y= oung live looper=2C Shannon Haydn=2C played a fantastic set
>=3B and= she has posted a few youtube videos. She plays the 'cello and
>=3B= sings her own live-looping music -- here's an example:
>=3B
>= =3B http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DWlstWXXIuj4
>=3B
>=3B -- Ke= vin
>=3B
= --_59cda959-d01d-4959-96fc-053c69dfe542_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 22:36:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20D2E183460; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 22:36:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=I2mXHvqp7wXz+omg6lEfe/jP4S14+6xo8pVloNRRaSY=; b=q+oRSHtEMdat+iZW7gu5TxcMZ1F7CpVwuWigcOByN4i2jQ0OiAQ//zBwZvlbz8+g4B 72s2c4Thkf30ULoYmm+RBLrDFGyONWMy6yfKVfL4DRuoQmrlVn9OiyN3JNdgJ8IxDSCC ryv1f3ANP1MBMVdSzt3bkI8jZY4MnSqY9Vm7KsRuybjmWQ/N4vx67kj/R7lbXkjeM8AP KX31VYYWvL+hLd90Sqg0tRID2gcJg+/jxoxeatxwjsUX7wUEDxGg/7C7gu8jCSeTXp34 Ke8JuIpdQzmhACnZ2b3cyhPaDqQP6w/yj0jMJzQSDuMI6DgzR7XSD82QZA5w/MIes6Tu t4bA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:36:12 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 1952 Live looping recording Re: 50th anniversary of realtime looping? (BBC Radiophonic Workshop) From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04462fe0389c0804c7a60594 Resent-Message-ID: <-vnFn.A.jNF.dpWMQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 22:36:13 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04462fe0389c0804c7a60594 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Looks like that Amazon mp3 is a truncated version of the track. It's only 1:15. I tried to find it on youtube, but no beans. However, I did find this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK_agPPxuR0 (Only Tyler can tell us if it's the actual album version of the song.) Matt On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Art Simon wrote: > I think it's little more than a footnote, but I found a recording of a > live performance at the > Museum of Modern Art in 1952 that clearly uses live looping techniques. > It's the first live looping recording that I'm aware of. The title is > "Sonic > Contours" by Vladimir Ussachevsky. It was performed and broadcast live > and is basically piano played through a tape delay. Otto Luening also > participated in the concert, but "Sonic Contours" is only credited to > Ussachevsky. The length of the delay and amount of feedback varies > over the performance (maybe at the hand of Luening?). At times the > delay is very short producing a slap back echo effect, but at the 5 > minute mark, the delay is lengthened and the there is sufficient > feedback that several layers of piano are heard on top of each other. > > Amazon has it as an 99 cent mp3 download: > http://www.amazon.com/Sonic-Contours/dp/B000S4B8YK > > Not my favorite piece of music by any means, but an interesting footnote > in the history of live looping. > > On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Revfever wrote: > >> As far as being widely heard and recognized by the public, the BBC >> Radiophonic Workshop (Daphne Oram, et al...) pioneered the use of tape >> loops back in the 1950's >> and they may(?) have even preceded Les Paul. (and....?) Not sure how much >> they ever did that was "live" looping, a la 2 tape machines, if any at all, >> but it would >> not be a surprise if this group of early geniuses had done at least some >> of that as well. >> >> Also, Riley's 'Rainbow in Curved Air' utilized a lot of overdubbing, >> along with looping. >> >> Cheers- >> Rev.Fever >> Portlandia >> http://www.spiritone.com/~**rvfever >> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/**elemental1 >> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/**elemental2 >> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult >> >> >> On Aug 19, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Tyler wrote: >> >> So July 9, we celebrate the 50th anniversary. And it's mostly about >>> Terry Riley, right? >>> I think I'm going to order a copy of Rainbow in Curved Air then. >>> Tyler Z >>> On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:22:42 +0200, Michael Peters wrote: >>> >>> >>> Mati wrote, >>>> >>>> certainly they glued tape to loops in the 50ies, so studio looping is >>>>> older as >>>>> far as I understood, Les Paul brought ready tapes to stage and >>>>> lovelooping >>>>> started with the two tape machine idea >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "lovelooping" yes :) it started with the two tape machines in 1963. >>>> And yes, >>>> as I wrote in that essay, of course loops (static) are much older but >>>> they are >>>> something completely different - more like a pre-digital way to sample. >>>> Les >>>> Paul was probably faking his "live" multitracking, there was a >>>> discussion about >>>> this on LD: >>>> >>>> http://www.loopers-delight.**com/LDarchive/200211/msg00922.**html >>>> >>>> -Michael >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@gmail.com > > -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com --f46d04462fe0389c0804c7a60594 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looks like that Amazon mp3 is a truncated version of the track. It's on= ly 1:15.

I tried to find it on youtube, but no beans.

Howev= er, I did find this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DcK_agPPxuR0

(Only Tyler can tell us if it's the actual album version of the son= g.)

Matt

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1= 1:09 AM, Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it's little more than a foo= tnote, but I found a recording of a live performance at the
Museum of Modern Art in=A0=A0that clearly uses live looping techniques.
It's the first live=A0=A0I'm aware of. =A0The title is &q= uot;Sonic
Contours" by Vladimir Ussachevsky. It was performed and broadcast= live
and is basically piano played through a tape delay. Otto Luening also<= /span>
participated in the concert, but "Sonic Contours" is only cr= edited to
Ussachevsky. The length of the delay and amount of feedback varies
over the performance (maybe at the hand of Luening?). At times the
delay is very short producing a slap back echo effect, but at the 5
minute mark, the delay is lengthened and the there is sufficient
feedback that several layers of piano are heard on top of each other.<= /span>

Amazon has it as an 99 cent mp3 download:
http://www.amazon.com/Sonic-Contours/dp/B000S4B8YK=A0

Not my favorite piece of music by any means, but an interest= ing footnote in the history of live looping.

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Revfever <revfever@ubergadget.= com> wrote:
As far as being widely heard and recognized = by the public, the BBC Radiophonic Workshop (Daphne Oram, et al...) pioneer= ed the use of tape loops back in the 1950's
and they may(?) have even preceded Les Paul. (and....?) Not sure how much t= hey ever did that was "live" looping, a la 2 tape machines, if an= y at all, but it would
not be a surprise if this group of early geniuses had done at least some of= that as well.

Also, Riley's 'Rainbow in Curved Air' utilized a lot of overdub= bing, along with looping.

Cheers-
Rev.Fever
Portlandia
http://ww= w.spiritone.com/~rvfever
http://ww= w.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1
http://ww= w.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2
http://www.cdb= aby.com/cd/skult


On Aug 19, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Tyler wrote:

So July 9, we celebrate the 50th anniversary. And it's mostly about Ter= ry Riley, right?
I think I'm going to order a copy of Rainbow in Curved Air then.
Tyler Z
On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:22:42 +0200, Michael Peters wrote:


Mati wrote,

certainly they glued tape to loops in the 50ies, so studio looping is older= as
far as I understood, Les Paul brought ready tapes to stage and lovelooping<= br> started with the two tape machine idea


"lovelooping" yes :) =A0it started with the two tape machines in = 1963. =A0And yes,
as I wrote in that essay, of course loops (static) are much older but they = are
something completely different - more like a pre-digital way to sample. Les=
Paul was probably faking his "live" multitracking, there was a di= scussion about
this on LD:

http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200211/msg= 00922.html

-Michael









--
Art Simon
simart@gmail.com




--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.co= m
www.rib= osomemusic.com
Podcast! ht= tp://ribosomematt.podomatic.com

--f46d04462fe0389c0804c7a60594-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 23:23:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3EBB183463; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:23:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Heard live-looper Shannon Haydn in Indy Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:23:13 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:23:20 +0000 (UTC) very inspiring indeed, really strong cello playing and use of a minimalist approach to looping. good voice and choice of cover material as well. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 00:58:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 352B1183463; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 00:58:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=EYxd8KE09D+kzGbJg/t9MVjNJ8665gL2pfo/LiWMshw=; b=CpLNHwaeRkrVp+MbB9hjzQYjYVaSrsFIL5ywMw3bJOPBvibSMrBjITyKUNaPa8nvb3 AYOEMXQGpl62xFiVnkL0H2C2ulBkYjeChu52YRg920XvaeLJwFZqd5GAhSPJxQ/mTqKU IDlDFug5BW/Igphf7LaU2W9jW4a6ReEXX5q0P7AH1jIbjRJl9lA8a9BmdhiXhbsGS7nH Av5HxXO/vnQ7CEYyDxtJDi7j/hYgZAQKNHf+17+dtLpSz1fZq9sfXQv26lsBIx6JmNcc JmBI5TUijH9rlbz3WdZATuZ5uh15a6VTNmqvoGTJv2ZGWyoVSSIDPOskZJicI8lUkFdy Az9w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 17:58:35 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 1952 Live looping recording Re: 50th anniversary of realtime looping? (BBC Radiophonic Workshop) From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d9a02167572a04c7a80225 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 00:58:37 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d9a02167572a04c7a80225 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Matt, Spears and Ussachevsky were an unlikely duo, so it's probably unsurprising it didn't get high on the charts. I found the track on "Pioneers of Electronic Music" which also is available for mp3 download at amazon. There it's listed as 7:14. weird. http://www.amazon.com/Pioneers-Of-Electronic-Music/dp/B0047ZKG3A/ref=tmm_other_meta_binding_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1345424017&sr=8-1 On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > Looks like that Amazon mp3 is a truncated version of the track. It's only > 1:15. > > I tried to find it on youtube, but no beans. > > However, I did find this: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK_agPPxuR0 > > (Only Tyler can tell us if it's the actual album version of the song.) > > Matt > > > On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Art Simon wrote: > >> I think it's little more than a footnote, but I found a recording of a >> live performance at the >> Museum of Modern Art in 1952 that clearly uses live looping techniques. >> It's the first live looping recording that I'm aware of. The title is >> "Sonic >> Contours" by Vladimir Ussachevsky. It was performed and broadcast live >> and is basically piano played through a tape delay. Otto Luening also >> participated in the concert, but "Sonic Contours" is only credited to >> Ussachevsky. The length of the delay and amount of feedback varies >> over the performance (maybe at the hand of Luening?). At times the >> delay is very short producing a slap back echo effect, but at the 5 >> minute mark, the delay is lengthened and the there is sufficient >> feedback that several layers of piano are heard on top of each other. >> >> Amazon has it as an 99 cent mp3 download: >> http://www.amazon.com/Sonic-Contours/dp/B000S4B8YK >> >> Not my favorite piece of music by any means, but an interesting footnote >> in the history of live looping. >> >> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Revfever wrote: >> >>> As far as being widely heard and recognized by the public, the BBC >>> Radiophonic Workshop (Daphne Oram, et al...) pioneered the use of tape >>> loops back in the 1950's >>> and they may(?) have even preceded Les Paul. (and....?) Not sure how >>> much they ever did that was "live" looping, a la 2 tape machines, if any at >>> all, but it would >>> not be a surprise if this group of early geniuses had done at least some >>> of that as well. >>> >>> Also, Riley's 'Rainbow in Curved Air' utilized a lot of overdubbing, >>> along with looping. >>> >>> Cheers- >>> Rev.Fever >>> Portlandia >>> http://www.spiritone.com/~**rvfever >>> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/**elemental1 >>> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/**elemental2 >>> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult >>> >>> >>> On Aug 19, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Tyler wrote: >>> >>> So July 9, we celebrate the 50th anniversary. And it's mostly about >>>> Terry Riley, right? >>>> I think I'm going to order a copy of Rainbow in Curved Air then. >>>> Tyler Z >>>> On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:22:42 +0200, Michael Peters wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Mati wrote, >>>>> >>>>> certainly they glued tape to loops in the 50ies, so studio looping is >>>>>> older as >>>>>> far as I understood, Les Paul brought ready tapes to stage and >>>>>> lovelooping >>>>>> started with the two tape machine idea >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "lovelooping" yes :) it started with the two tape machines in 1963. >>>>> And yes, >>>>> as I wrote in that essay, of course loops (static) are much older but >>>>> they are >>>>> something completely different - more like a pre-digital way to >>>>> sample. Les >>>>> Paul was probably faking his "live" multitracking, there was a >>>>> discussion about >>>>> this on LD: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.loopers-delight.**com/LDarchive/200211/msg00922.**html >>>>> >>>>> -Michael >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Art Simon >> simart@gmail.com >> >> > > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com --0016e6d9a02167572a04c7a80225 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Matt,=A0

Spears and Ussachevsky were an unlikely = duo, so it's probably=A0unsurprising=A0it didn't get high on the ch= arts.

I found the track on "Pioneers of Elect= ronic Music" which also is available for mp3 download at amazon. There= it's listed as 7:14. weird.

http://www.amazon.com/Pioneers-Of-Electronic-Mu= sic/dp/B0047ZKG3A/ref=3Dtmm_other_meta_binding_title_0?ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D= 1345424017&sr=3D8-1=A0

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Matt Davign= on <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:
Looks like that Amazon mp3 is a truncated version of the track. It's on= ly 1:15.

I tried to find it on youtube, but no beans.

Howev= er, I did find this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DcK_agPPxuR0
(Only Tyler can tell us if it's the actual album version of the son= g.)

Matt


On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Art Simon <simart@gmail.= com> wrote:
I think it's little more than a foo= tnote, but I found a recording of a live performance at the
Museum of Modern Art in=A0=A0that clearly uses live looping techniques.
It's the first live=A0=A0I'm aware of. =A0The title is &q= uot;Sonic
Contours" by Vladimir Ussachevsky. It was performed and broadcast= live
and is basically piano played through a tape delay. Otto Luening also<= /span>
participated in the concert, but "Sonic Contours" is only cr= edited to
Ussachevsky. The length of the delay and amount of feedback varies
over the performance (maybe at the hand of Luening?). At times the
delay is very short producing a slap back echo effect, but at the 5
minute mark, the delay is lengthened and the there is sufficient
feedback that several layers of piano are heard on top of each other.<= /span>

Amazon has it as an 99 cent mp3 download:
http://www.amazon.com/Sonic-Contours/dp/B000S4B8YK=A0

Not my favorite piece of music by any means, but an interest= ing footnote in the history of live looping.

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Revfever <revfever@ubergadget.= com> wrote:
As far as being widely heard and recognized = by the public, the BBC Radiophonic Workshop (Daphne Oram, et al...) pioneer= ed the use of tape loops back in the 1950's
and they may(?) have even preceded Les Paul. (and....?) Not sure how much t= hey ever did that was "live" looping, a la 2 tape machines, if an= y at all, but it would
not be a surprise if this group of early geniuses had done at least some of= that as well.

Also, Riley's 'Rainbow in Curved Air' utilized a lot of overdub= bing, along with looping.

Cheers-
Rev.Fever
Portlandia
http://ww= w.spiritone.com/~rvfever
http://ww= w.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1
http://ww= w.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2
http://www.cdb= aby.com/cd/skult


On Aug 19, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Tyler wrote:

So July 9, we celebrate the 50th anniversary. And it's mostly about Ter= ry Riley, right?
I think I'm going to order a copy of Rainbow in Curved Air then.
Tyler Z
On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:22:42 +0200, Michael Peters wrote:


Mati wrote,

certainly they glued tape to loops in the 50ies, so studio looping is older= as
far as I understood, Les Paul brought ready tapes to stage and lovelooping<= br> started with the two tape machine idea


"lovelooping" yes :) =A0it started with the two tape machines in = 1963. =A0And yes,
as I wrote in that essay, of course loops (static) are much older but they = are
something completely different - more like a pre-digital way to sample. Les=
Paul was probably faking his "live" multitracking, there was a di= scussion about
this on LD:

http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200211/msg= 00922.html

-Michael









--
Art Simon
simart@gmail.com




--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
Podcast! ht= tp://ribosomematt.podomatic.com




-- Art Simon
simart= @gmail.com

--0016e6d9a02167572a04c7a80225-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 01:12:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45B1E18345B; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 01:12:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=G8RCuC4CyQynvO4WUFf81vjf27K361uoojKkHqMEn90=; b=qro9u6DjfI32sqN/0pJSwr3VCVsOhxRer8Pe7u76VLyK4qKtd9KyjVrPyWv9pMgQIm OmATGdxwsOURETh04KTbPa8NFfE+G9jmt3dF39owzcMUe3qj4797Ncw1CzUbJiHvJo2g Hdgs7hKiRnRboWDXHrJLexbuctJWb/ZTzh4On22z2PcyN6BOcGYfH7WkvmHcixFRLwt7 MM++VouE7PE7Dj+JrNjE0WhKI2cJJKrXUzoW+VXZwCgIli1Tgh1D8bMo3Lo0BhOz9TpD AHIe8vfvl6Y+yHWMcld5zXZbKbo4Ih4W4hp8fD9keEDuDmect5Namkpfz520TejEZ7HY 6/1A== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:12:18 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 1952 Live looping recording Re: 50th anniversary of realtime looping? (BBC Radiophonic Workshop) From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444ed857aabe604c7a833b4 Resent-Message-ID: <_rcQVD.A.4dG.07YMQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 01:12:20 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0444ed857aabe604c7a833b4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Here's a link to listen to sonic contours online. It's only at the 5 minute mark that you hear layers of sound on sound. http://classical-music-online.net/en/production/19461 On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Art Simon wrote: > Thanks Matt, > > Spears and Ussachevsky were an unlikely duo, so it's > probably unsurprising it didn't get high on the charts. > > I found the track on "Pioneers of Electronic Music" which also is > available for mp3 download at amazon. There it's listed as 7:14. weird. > > > http://www.amazon.com/Pioneers-Of-Electronic-Music/dp/B0047ZKG3A/ref=tmm_other_meta_binding_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1345424017&sr=8-1 > > > > On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > >> Looks like that Amazon mp3 is a truncated version of the track. It's only >> 1:15. >> >> I tried to find it on youtube, but no beans. >> >> However, I did find this: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK_agPPxuR0 >> >> (Only Tyler can tell us if it's the actual album version of the song.) >> >> Matt >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Art Simon wrote: >> >>> I think it's little more than a footnote, but I found a recording of a >>> live performance at the >>> Museum of Modern Art in 1952 that clearly uses live looping techniques. >>> It's the first live looping recording that I'm aware of. The title is >>> "Sonic >>> Contours" by Vladimir Ussachevsky. It was performed and broadcast live >>> and is basically piano played through a tape delay. Otto Luening also >>> participated in the concert, but "Sonic Contours" is only credited to >>> Ussachevsky. The length of the delay and amount of feedback varies >>> over the performance (maybe at the hand of Luening?). At times the >>> delay is very short producing a slap back echo effect, but at the 5 >>> minute mark, the delay is lengthened and the there is sufficient >>> feedback that several layers of piano are heard on top of each other. >>> >>> Amazon has it as an 99 cent mp3 download: >>> http://www.amazon.com/Sonic-Contours/dp/B000S4B8YK >>> >>> Not my favorite piece of music by any means, but an interesting footnote >>> in the history of live looping. >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Revfever wrote: >>> >>>> As far as being widely heard and recognized by the public, the BBC >>>> Radiophonic Workshop (Daphne Oram, et al...) pioneered the use of tape >>>> loops back in the 1950's >>>> and they may(?) have even preceded Les Paul. (and....?) Not sure how >>>> much they ever did that was "live" looping, a la 2 tape machines, if any at >>>> all, but it would >>>> not be a surprise if this group of early geniuses had done at least >>>> some of that as well. >>>> >>>> Also, Riley's 'Rainbow in Curved Air' utilized a lot of overdubbing, >>>> along with looping. >>>> >>>> Cheers- >>>> Rev.Fever >>>> Portlandia >>>> http://www.spiritone.com/~**rvfever >>>> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/**elemental1 >>>> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/**elemental2 >>>> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 19, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Tyler wrote: >>>> >>>> So July 9, we celebrate the 50th anniversary. And it's mostly about >>>>> Terry Riley, right? >>>>> I think I'm going to order a copy of Rainbow in Curved Air then. >>>>> Tyler Z >>>>> On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:22:42 +0200, Michael Peters wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mati wrote, >>>>>> >>>>>> certainly they glued tape to loops in the 50ies, so studio looping >>>>>>> is older as >>>>>>> far as I understood, Les Paul brought ready tapes to stage and >>>>>>> lovelooping >>>>>>> started with the two tape machine idea >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "lovelooping" yes :) it started with the two tape machines in 1963. >>>>>> And yes, >>>>>> as I wrote in that essay, of course loops (static) are much older but >>>>>> they are >>>>>> something completely different - more like a pre-digital way to >>>>>> sample. Les >>>>>> Paul was probably faking his "live" multitracking, there was a >>>>>> discussion about >>>>>> this on LD: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.loopers-delight.**com/LDarchive/200211/msg00922.**html >>>>>> >>>>>> -Michael >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Art Simon >>> simart@gmail.com >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Matt Davignon >> mattdavignon@gmail.com >> www.ribosomemusic.com >> Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com >> >> > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@gmail.com > > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com --f46d0444ed857aabe604c7a833b4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's a link to listen to sonic contours online. It's only at the = 5 minute mark that you hear layers of sound on sound.
http://classical-music-onl= ine.net/en/production/19461=A0

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Art Simon <= span dir=3D"ltr"><= simart@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Matt,=A0

Spears and Ussachevsky were an unlikely = duo, so it's probably=A0unsurprising=A0it didn't get high on the ch= arts.

I found the track on "Pioneers of Elect= ronic Music" which also is available for mp3 download at amazon. There= it's listed as 7:14. weird.

http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer= s-Of-Electronic-Music/dp/B0047ZKG3A/ref=3Dtmm_other_meta_binding_title_0?ie= =3DUTF8&qid=3D1345424017&sr=3D8-1=A0


On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Matt Davign= on <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:
Looks like that Amazon mp3 is a truncated version of the track. It's on= ly 1:15.

I tried to find it on youtube, but no beans.

Howev= er, I did find this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DcK_agPPxuR0
(Only Tyler can tell us if it's the actual album version of the son= g.)

Matt


On Sun, Aug 19,= 2012 at 11:09 AM, Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it's little more than a foo= tnote, but I found a recording of a live performance at the
Museum of Modern Art in=A0=A0that clearly uses live looping techniques.
It's the first live=A0=A0I'm aware of. =A0The title is &q= uot;Sonic
Contours" by Vladimir Ussachevsky. It was performed and broadcast= live
and is basically piano played through a tape delay. Otto Luening also<= /span>
participated in the concert, but "Sonic Contours" is only cr= edited to
Ussachevsky. The length of the delay and amount of feedback varies
over the performance (maybe at the hand of Luening?). At times the
delay is very short producing a slap back echo effect, but at the 5
minute mark, the delay is lengthened and the there is sufficient
feedback that several layers of piano are heard on top of each other.<= /span>

Amazon has it as an 99 cent mp3 download:
http://www.amazon.com/Sonic-Contours/dp/B000S4B8YK=A0

Not my favorite piece of music by any means, but an interest= ing footnote in the history of live looping.

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Revfever <revfever@ubergadget.= com> wrote:
As far as being widely heard and recognized = by the public, the BBC Radiophonic Workshop (Daphne Oram, et al...) pioneer= ed the use of tape loops back in the 1950's
and they may(?) have even preceded Les Paul. (and....?) Not sure how much t= hey ever did that was "live" looping, a la 2 tape machines, if an= y at all, but it would
not be a surprise if this group of early geniuses had done at least some of= that as well.

Also, Riley's 'Rainbow in Curved Air' utilized a lot of overdub= bing, along with looping.

Cheers-
Rev.Fever
Portlandia
http://ww= w.spiritone.com/~rvfever
http://ww= w.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1
http://ww= w.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2
http://www.cdb= aby.com/cd/skult


On Aug 19, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Tyler wrote:

So July 9, we celebrate the 50th anniversary. And it's mostly about Ter= ry Riley, right?
I think I'm going to order a copy of Rainbow in Curved Air then.
Tyler Z
On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:22:42 +0200, Michael Peters wrote:


Mati wrote,

certainly they glued tape to loops in the 50ies, so studio looping is older= as
far as I understood, Les Paul brought ready tapes to stage and lovelooping<= br> started with the two tape machine idea


"lovelooping" yes :) =A0it started with the two tape machines in = 1963. =A0And yes,
as I wrote in that essay, of course loops (static) are much older but they = are
something completely different - more like a pre-digital way to sample. Les=
Paul was probably faking his "live" multitracking, there was a di= scussion about
this on LD:

http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200211/msg= 00922.html

-Michael









--
Art Simon
simart@gmail.com




--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
Podcast! ht= tp://ribosomematt.podomatic.com




--
Art Simon
<= a href=3D"mailto:simart@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">simart@gmail.com



--
Art Simonsimart@gmail.com=

--f46d0444ed857aabe604c7a833b4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 02:11:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8087183477; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 02:11:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--98199604 Message-Id: From: Revfever Subject: Re: 1952 Live looping recording Re: 50th anniversary of realtime looping? (BBC Radiophonic Workshop) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 19:11:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host5.webserveralpha.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ubergadget.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 02:11:47 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5--98199604 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Aug 19, 2012, at 3:36 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > Looks like that Amazon mp3 is a truncated version of the track. > It's only 1:15. The CD reissue of the entire original LP compilation album from way back then is available. I ordered a copy earlier today. Not expensive. Other copies are available. Do a search. > I tried to find it on youtube, but no beans. > However, I did find this: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK_agPPxuR0 > (Only Tyler can tell us if it's the actual album version of the song.) Eeeee! Mein Gaia! Britney + Ussachevsky! Oh dear...these ARE the frickin' End Times...! :-) Cheers- Rev.Fever Portlandia http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult > On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Art Simon wrote: > I think it's little more than a footnote, but I found a recording > of a live performance at the > Museum of Modern Art in 1952 that clearly uses live looping > techniques. > It's the first live looping recording that I'm aware of. The title > is "Sonic > Contours" by Vladimir Ussachevsky. It was performed and broadcast live > and is basically piano played through a tape delay. Otto Luening also > participated in the concert, but "Sonic Contours" is only credited to > Ussachevsky. The length of the delay and amount of feedback varies > over the performance (maybe at the hand of Luening?). At times the > delay is very short producing a slap back echo effect, but at the 5 > minute mark, the delay is lengthened and the there is sufficient > feedback that several layers of piano are heard on top of each other. > > Amazon has it as an 99 cent mp3 download: > http://www.amazon.com/Sonic-Contours/dp/B000S4B8YK > --Apple-Mail-5--98199604 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
On Aug 19, 2012, = at 3:36 PM, Matt Davignon wrote:

Looks like = that Amazon mp3 is a truncated version of the track. It's only 1:15. =

The CD reissue of the entire original LP = compilation album from way back then is = available. 
I ordered a copy earlier today. Not = expensive. Other copies are available. Do a = search.

I tried to find it = on youtube, but no beans.
However, I did find this:
http://www.youtube.c= om/watch?v=3DcK_agPPxuR0
(Only Tyler can tell us if it's the = actual album version of the song.)

Eeeee! =  Mein Gaia!    Britney + Ussachevsky!   Oh = dear...these ARE the frickin' End Times...! =  :-)

On Sun, Aug = 19, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> wrote:
= I think it's little more than a footnote, but I found = a recording of a live performance at the
= = Museum of Modern Art in 1952=  that clearly uses live looping techniques.
= = It's the first live looping recording that=  I'm aware of.  The title is "Sonic
= = Contours" by Vladimir Ussachevsky. It was performed and broadcast = live
= = and is basically piano played through a tape delay. Otto Luening = also
= = participated in the concert, but "Sonic Contours" is only credited = to
= = Ussachevsky. The length of the delay and amount of feedback = varies
= = over the performance (maybe at the hand of Luening?). At times = the
= = delay is very short producing a slap back echo effect, but at the = 5
= = minute mark, the delay is lengthened and the there is = sufficient
= = feedback that several layers of piano are heard on top of each = other.
=
= = Amazon has it as an 99 cent mp3 download:
= http://www.amazon.com/Sonic-Contours/dp/B000S4B8YK&n= bsp;
=

= --Apple-Mail-5--98199604-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 03:54:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CCCA183464; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 03:54:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=D71t4dbWdJsUN9pUT4gJvy6lWQLaT3KPdXm3wd/ZAWQ=; b=W+1S0Y63zKH5wtWwyPQAVH9SiMxKq4nJgr5/dRl788m+v8mddC9f/9Jgydvmxb87oG x1D8XvlZyI9rfjK6ge7pHyDNNhfHzXl6+UsdSXT9bPnVz6hdPyIGI8V6hUbPiXqW/tsu EzKk8ZV6pC7wGH74S2R2OONAPDVklo6mURKguzrxBPWZQ/NQT6aQJZTRW57NelAFimvF 59lu/ktsXTAFNLYq4ITvEJRhP3AWc5o7MBg2u8yXxFH5aspE/yMS6eDBLHlRnaiWWAj+ 8VhmkTww6AbzVC+2vMEq62EUqskINlIryx+jaKPazR+vlgcbATSJ6/ttntEfPu6387ZT Yz2w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:54:22 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Heard live-looper Shannon Haydn in Indy From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0418281a0b06b404c7aa7773 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 03:54:23 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0418281a0b06b404c7aa7773 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Wonderful! I hadn't heard of Shannon Haydn before. Really, really nice. On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 4:23 PM, William Walker wrote: > very inspiring indeed, really strong cello playing and use of a minimalist > approach to looping. good voice and choice of cover material as well. > Bill > > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com --f46d0418281a0b06b404c7aa7773 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wonderful! I hadn't heard of Shannon Haydn before. Really, really nice.=

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 4:23 PM, William= Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
very inspiring indeed, really strong cello p= laying and use of a minimalist approach to looping. good voice and choice o= f cover material as well.
=A0Bill




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--f46d0418281a0b06b404c7aa7773-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 04:03:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3455183465; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 04:03:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0862218314==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120820040344.31729.32960.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 00:03:45 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: 1952 Live looping recording Re: 50th anniversary of realtime looping? (BBC Radiophonic Workshop) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 04:03:29 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0862218314== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=20wouldn't=20know. Tyler=20Z On=20Sun,=2019=20Aug=202012=2019:11:44=20-0700,=20Revfever=20wrote: >On=20Aug=2019,=202012,=20at=203:36=20PM,=20Matt=20Davignon=20wrote: >The=20CD=20reissue=20of=20the=20entire=20original=20LP=20compilation=20alb= um=20from=20way=20back=20then=20 >is=20available.=20 >I=20ordered=20a=20copy=20earlier=20today.=20Not=20expensive.=20Other=20cop= ies=20are=20available.=20Do=20a=20 >search. >However,=20I=20did=20find=20this:=20 >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DcK_agPPxuR0 >(Only=20Tyler=20can=20tell=20us=20if=20it's=20the=20actual=20album=20versi= on=20of=20the=20song.) >Eeeee!=20=20Mein=20Gaia!=20=20=20=20Britney=20+=20Ussachevsky!=20=20=20Oh= =20dear...these=20ARE=20the=20frickin'=20 >End=20Times...!=20=20:-) >Cheers- >Rev.Fever >Portlandia >http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever >http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1 >http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2 >http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult >=20wrote: >I=20think=20it's=20little=20more=20than=20a=20footnote,=20but=20I=20found= =20a=20recording=20of=20a=20live=20 >performance=20at=20the >Museum=20of=20Modern=20Art=20in=201952=20that=20clearly=20uses=20live=20lo= oping=20techniques. >It's=20the=20first=20live=20looping=20recording=20that=20I'm=20aware=20of.= =20=20The=20title=20is=20"Sonic >Contours"=20by=20Vladimir=20Ussachevsky.=20It=20was=20performed=20and=20br= oadcast=20live >and=20is=20basically=20piano=20played=20through=20a=20tape=20delay.=20Otto= =20Luening=20also >participated=20in=20the=20concert,=20but=20"Sonic=20Contours"=20is=20only= =20credited=20to >Ussachevsky.=20The=20length=20of=20the=20delay=20and=20amount=20of=20feedb= ack=20varies >over=20the=20performance=20(maybe=20at=20the=20hand=20of=20Luening?).=20At= =20times=20the >delay=20is=20very=20short=20producing=20a=20slap=20back=20echo=20effect,= =20but=20at=20the=205 >minute=20mark,=20the=20delay=20is=20lengthened=20and=20the=20there=20is=20= sufficient >feedback=20that=20several=20layers=20of=20piano=20are=20heard=20on=20top= =20of=20each=20other. >Amazon=20has=20it=20as=20an=2099=20cent=20mp3=20download: >http://www.amazon.com/Sonic-Contours/dp/B000S4B8YK --===============0862218314==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 04:26:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E167C183478; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 04:26:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 00:25:55 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Meditation on Blue Time Lapse Variation on You Tube Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 04:26:52 +0000 (UTC) "Meditation on Blue Time Lapse Variation" http://youtu.be/85zwwY7Nr0M is a slowed down version of the piece requested by a viewer. Ideally, I'd slow down the water but not the animation, but that would have been a lot more work. Let me know which "Meditation on Blue" you prefer. BTW Some of my photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 08:01:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C21F8183464; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:01:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=5RHdmAYan/6XDfA8RVYQSUKoEkctc9v1awLKfz6HeGo=; b=aPDw7H+Di8Nmv9l4MUledZzIvj/SNpGn28Mq89e2R/3ecCVvIeO8xXycxCwCuHaIql 6h1LIgPLm8s6gbT3GmE3+S5fqtHy55y+xvH5cAg/EkUiNDniNX0aOG/F81GQr1nErS/5 I+O7a9URFdqsPQSBzTISnQ+D98QWbB1VBMpRNC30DLUr2YMaGPutSv9/bGTIgMMk8uCQ TvnPbGT59H2gQJBTDnbWDDS8zENaeEmcqnT8Xzh/JHiCzWgHEaf5hPPEec4iwX2Pqfky vlN8tdQKoX/56uGNABqnkU9dQs0eV2FYRxlZQ5XRLCOdL8JVn7a6g0G6PoqVJErvdmqu gkrw== Subject: Re: Heard live-looper Shannon Haydn in Indy References: <20120819092016.2883644hc2iel8v4@mail.kevinkissinger.com> From: F_Anile Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B176) In-Reply-To: <20120819092016.2883644hc2iel8v4@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Message-Id: <15B7E91A-C067-4E9B-B9FF-D333839494CC@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:01:20 +0200 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:01:26 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for sharing, Kevin ! She is really great. -f Il giorno 19/ago/2012, alle ore 16:20, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com ha scri= tto: > Hello from Indianapolis! >=20 > I'm writing from Indianapolis where I was part of The Midwest Electronic M= usic Experience (MEME) event here. >=20 > Last night a young live looper, Shannon Haydn, played a fantastic set and s= he has posted a few youtube videos. She plays the 'cello and sings her own l= ive-looping music -- here's an example: >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DWlstWXXIuj4 >=20 > -- Kevin >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 08:37:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A40B183477; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:37:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 803392759/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.184.8/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.184.8 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmcEAIz2MVBV0rgI/2dsb2JhbAANOI14q04EBIQgAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYgDpQ6TJY8BgxwDmxmNKw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,796,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="803392759" Message-ID: <5031F6FA.5020807@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:36:10 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Heard live-looper Shannon Haydn in Indy References: <20120819092016.2883644hc2iel8v4@mail.kevinkissinger.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:37:02 +0000 (UTC) > minimal looping. is this the backlash against exploration? andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 09:21:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F2C1183465; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:21:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_1e860787-aafd-4120-a8ce-f3d2e1b66ae4_" X-Originating-IP: [86.141.145.138] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Heard live-looper Shannon Haydn in Indy Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:21:50 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5031F6FA.5020807@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20120819092016.2883644hc2iel8v4@mail.kevinkissinger.com> ,<5031F6FA.5020807@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2012 09:21:51.0103 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B3398F0:01CD7EB5] Resent-Message-ID: <_4Rt.A.MBC.wGgMQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:21:53 +0000 (UTC) --_1e860787-aafd-4120-a8ce-f3d2e1b66ae4_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No just an option that you can take if you want.Peace g Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > Date: Mon=2C 20 Aug 2012 09:36:10 +0100 > From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Heard live-looper Shannon Haydn in Indy >=20 >=20 > > minimal looping.=20 >=20 > is this the backlash against exploration? >=20 > andy >=20 = --_1e860787-aafd-4120-a8ce-f3d2e1b66ae4_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No just an option that you can take if you want.
Peace

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= --_1e860787-aafd-4120-a8ce-f3d2e1b66ae4_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 12:28:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 187B6183464; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:28:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=HlQmdojG1M/IixEayjiAFk/MUwyMt+5/ZV5cW1ABcQ0=; b=Mn3oO3tkfzJB5VZ2/ymkFSFaVFv8y0n/DhqxaCFMK3oIxFjD4G9hjljsLvkk/PuoI9 z38Iz/3mHFp9ZuUusMlw9xJ85hdr/TFzQIJr5w1zEnqsWoM7Qg27OqO15rYU0Xz8cHjH 5bocPs41UHLMZLuAoB2JCq0vtF5Qvga/A8/5nx8E1rX8w26zk56nXN1r1+0pY2JMeME/ /8aIe1J4ZXIk9ZLesbaBdCx65H94pQwIUU6kOLTMkb5Cmrf99YtVsQad2fEjy+mcBKRV Z0aczHav2RRtuiZbO8YeuZAK5npt+mZT9A/JdVp5xjHqhqs0Q1PjSewonSyJL8UGZ1nh /vSA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <20120819092016.2883644hc2iel8v4@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <5031F6FA.5020807@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:27:43 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: p8gEnIzJmQBwf7uDV5guTXqRJ4s Message-ID: Subject: Re: Heard live-looper Shannon Haydn in Indy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b3a7fd622239a04c7b1a4db Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:28:04 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b3a7fd622239a04c7b1a4db Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Nice sound, lovely voice, cool video (wonders what you can do with an iPhone and Looks plugin) excellent cello player... Did no-one think it was a tad boring? I dunno.. bit too "grown up" music for me.. some one said it Kate Bush-ish.. thats my Dads music... But still... I agree with the consensus, nice and simple looping. On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > No just an option that you can take if you want. > Peace > > g > > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > > > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:36:10 +0100 > > From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Heard live-looper Shannon Haydn in Indy > > > > > > > > minimal looping. > > > > is this the backlash against exploration? > > > > andy > > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b3a7fd622239a04c7b1a4db Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice sound, lovely voice, cool video (wonders what you can do with an iPhon= e and Looks plugin) excellent cello player...
Did no-one think it was a= tad boring? I dunno.. bit too "grown up" music for me.. some one= said it Kate Bush-ish.. thats my Dads music...

But still... I agree with the consensus, nice and simple looping.
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No just an option that you can take if you want.
Peace

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--047d7b3a7fd622239a04c7b1a4db-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 12:40:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85511183465; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:40:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=RB3RihnI9jagDkCe/3dvk6+D0YCUjTG3AAMROc/IYY4=; b=vqXMx06K7if5j/uLWmoDg9Jnix1OqUYMf41I8gQwW20iefMyx/kJS9WhF/eYTQ0F0E z/llSIAxvXlxvTD/yb3D87z5NAqxyj4JSgl6ZpqL7KTkB7ltO2rm2c0DTajQ1jiQw5Lg 1CN5ezfYDgx5kx9VDpqs6qYuDg3JyJzjmRUp1Ji/hDfdWASqbeZJO8Q9L3Rlsg9n47wQ LdZnKwSuMi60K9kBEZ+EZeHq0Cen9uN1qScpq8+wKMJJqdQyWuZRu8xs4wAB45iIKHDf Oo1rDD7ukbMoB5/6QllUNSE7nDZK/ULk/tVxmF+tqNUVgxgOHZd/Qye4XplhHLKc+Vcj iYyQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20120819092016.2883644hc2iel8v4@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <5031F6FA.5020807@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:40:14 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Heard live-looper Shannon Haydn in Indy From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:40:14 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:27 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Did no-one think it was a tad boring? Not at all - hearing just one piece like this. I enjoyed the tasteful receipt being whipped up as simple as that. But if listening to an hour of similar pieces I might have wandered off at some point. I assume though that she trashes stuff and goes less tasteful in other pieces to make a full set interesting all through. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 12:51:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F23BF183465; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:51:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=NzEpq5GFxqneltk5IQLKsaqzPsYwY+P8Zj9Eu3jYT1M=; b=GFIqrmAj8xkjl2dt9UDQweZxHPhh//iXrtWkpUKEJa9F6KONO5U7Q/cNbzW9r7ssAz HnR1shu1koZhKHLvrS4DgmgqSgfnXp2lmFsFHsbOmRUI3QcbpvMWfhrG5fN8WES3fVEI Bqvb3juxxc47gq7TKe4DXT/MlOVbyVOdB76muag2/D3hsb//Wt/4OjqVdINAL4PFjdjB O0W3HmW4K+YyuabNRwKZDOz+S6/fZXRRbPuj4gvUHF20bC9nfqL+6cDGdWTDqZSf9OuI U7q4mXXKjEhMxe7LInGjJ3+o9QQaLxg+e1IFcwk+0F0zvFpC96dj2DSvgnrwNPwhasqt FpRw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <20120819092016.2883644hc2iel8v4@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <5031F6FA.5020807@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:51:09 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: OOCMl3ppjiANQRjCePwb1DiT89o Message-ID: Subject: Re: Heard live-looper Shannon Haydn in Indy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b343cccf1705c04c7b1f7e0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:51:30 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b343cccf1705c04c7b1f7e0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Im sure she does, she seems very accomplished... maybe just not my cup o char? On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:27 PM, mark francombe > wrote: > > Did no-one think it was a tad boring? I > assume though that she trashes stuff and goes less tasteful in other > pieces to make a full set interesting all through. > > Per > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b343cccf1705c04c7b1f7e0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Im sure she does, she seems very accomplished... maybe just not my cup o ch= ar?

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Per = Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:= 27 PM, mark francombe <mark@ma= rkfrancombe.com> wrote:
> Did no-one think it was a tad boring? I
assume though that she trashes stuff and goes less tasteful in other
pieces to make a full set interesting all through.

Per




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www.ordoabkhao.com
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--047d7b343cccf1705c04c7b1f7e0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 13:32:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DFFB183478; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:32:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 794708991/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.184.8/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.184.8 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvcCADs7MlBV0rgI/2dsb2JhbAANOLlHBASEIQEBAQMBOEYLCyElDwJGHAGIA6UakzyLFYNsgxwDmxmNKw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,798,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="794708991" Message-ID: <50323BC1.80108@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:29:37 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Heard live-looper Shannon Haydn in Indy References: <20120819092016.2883644hc2iel8v4@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <5031F6FA.5020807@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:32:30 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > Did no-one think it was a tad boring? I thought the loop part was boring, could have dropped out sometime, or the layers could have dropped out...wouldn't that have been more minimal? ...but wouldn't have thought about that if attention hadn't been drawn the that element, otherwise great interpretation (given that I don't know the original) > Kate Bush.. thats my Dads music... ...scary... andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 14:23:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEF66183464; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:23:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=/XZmNsfB/EoQ2ff5v5FKTp28Tk/pc8fWz0FhecaEhp4=; b=galc9Vyd3rSzTRFJGEbURHgatmeqbPq8UB39Q3PjkyhcBUQQnLVVfW5fAQkXALljXL WoYrkKnrlC4Hq7kNopR7HPpGLgL9FIn+xzu2ikNYZQgEJAfZsbkbldPVLpKp9huXE3Q7 nej0IkhKmvs/Ot9Do1X2kqciFR14zcKJtzGWlprkRgOmWlXZtIo87bSGVptmZGEkat/5 5KrtQ2RGPzFCJmx8Ly89aFgV4Dhe0BVMiNMOVz/i1gtId1La4qWOWwWkCleDBxjl51oX xkZjlzx3vkxT6V6uJtSuisyc1JCMiXxfMtJGCzCAMEB8oM2E/ZxWqslWNrECqI9D/aIC kfNg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <50323BC1.80108@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20120819092016.2883644hc2iel8v4@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <5031F6FA.5020807@tiscali.co.uk> <50323BC1.80108@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:23:09 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Heard live-looper Shannon Haydn in Indy From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:23:10 +0000 (UTC) Who cares about Dids or Dads - just search out any KB YoutTube video and you will see she's always been great! Music doesn't get less good the date it becomes history. Every time I hear her old stuff it amazes me how good it is, since here artist image (photos, album covers and stuff) would not precisely hint that way ;-) Per On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 3:29 PM, andy butler wrote: > mark francombe wrote: > >> Did no-one think it was a tad boring? > > > I thought the loop part was boring, could have dropped out sometime, > or the layers could have dropped out...wouldn't that have been more minimal? > > ...but wouldn't have thought about that if attention hadn't > been drawn the that element, otherwise great interpretation > (given that I don't know the original) > > >> Kate Bush.. thats my Dads music... > > > ...scary... > > > andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 14:31:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 851EB183464; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=nlrKf9u5uG3fs/vD0VBbL3/xzyN25p4t1WHsSeqasGo= c=1 sm=1 a=j6zKxloymwcA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=qV3P5CmyaYIA:10 a=UncmS/Am0Fgh8c8TZh5eWA==:17 a=dxxeNxKmAAAA:8 a=vgz-Pm2SAAAA:20 a=rTNzrG7Cl_CU_CljDxYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Kimtx665xSIA:10 a=UncmS/Am0Fgh8c8TZh5eWA==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Heard live-looper Shannon Haydn in Indy From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: <20120819092016.2883644hc2iel8v4@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:31:36 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <57AE0078-BF9F-4812-A1F7-446D1C78EB2C@charter.net> References: <20120819092016.2883644hc2iel8v4@mail.kevinkissinger.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <7Hrpw.A.NvE.KpkMQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Very interesting Monday morning listening. Thanks for sharing Kevin! On Aug 19, 2012, at 7:20 AM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > Hello from Indianapolis! >=20 > I'm writing from Indianapolis where I was part of The Midwest = Electronic Music Experience (MEME) event here. >=20 > Last night a young live looper, Shannon Haydn, played a fantastic set = and she has posted a few youtube videos. She plays the 'cello and sings = her own live-looping music -- here's an example: >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DWlstWXXIuj4 >=20 > -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 15:29:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 229E3183477; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:29:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=r3uo+5zvHllNfbQXSC/vvovFJi2vSDpYfoAtRsTsohY=; b=KJeHbkjuo05iCAG/PHafs9VE3tbZi685oujZa1Hg5ypS5fR979oD5MHfhsnQNrHk8u HiZsYZgEk7QQuim5a2VG9ne0cWUxxGVoyfBIuwtWgty8vZG6B19HeYsq9LGA1cJGV+zO e6NStZLWFU9Ko2Da0nSmAMWZHuLP4NMAo+HxXyyytYmOfuC8uEoNcpxPArA/81Epz/qD +6Hvye+OVCHBAftJ+9sSR+04XU6D9y7rEx5AHaoUJmQcVZGRi5/xVuSZ9YyyVVzCjArT MVHDuKeqtGT+XX8CCMYVriJIx13Dx6eO9Le7MYx3VnIzA0UOThyzTln6wWQWmNzjOQOP wMeg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <20120819092016.2883644hc2iel8v4@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <5031F6FA.5020807@tiscali.co.uk> <50323BC1.80108@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:28:50 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ePBVuLXCZBo9oI-ZXgA82Mw0rAg Message-ID: Subject: Re: Heard live-looper Shannon Haydn in Indy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b343faaddfa5904c7b42bee Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:29:11 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b343faaddfa5904c7b42bee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Who cares about Dids or Dads - just search out any KB YoutTube video > and you will see she's always been great! I dont have anything against her per se, and she IS/was GREAT, in someone elses taste than my own. I can hear great-ness in Maddona, Jeff Beck, Genesis, Green Day, millions!! But its just doesnt match my own tastes I guess. Hell if shes good enough for John Lydon (yes he is a self confessed BIG FAN of KB - check you tube for his quotes on the matter) then she must be good! > Music doesn't get less good > the date it becomes history. Of course not, my fave music is 30 years old! But style-wise, she is more aligned with my Dads taste in music than mine. > Every time I hear her old stuff it amazes > me how good it is, since here artist image (photos, album covers and > stuff) would not precisely hint that way ;-) > Thats just 80s image, we all looked pretty ridiculous back then, eh Per? http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/228732_6291280068_5056_n.jpg YIKES! ;-) Anyway, I think we all agree that this Shannon Haydn is one to watch! She going places, mark my words! Mark -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b343faaddfa5904c7b42bee Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
Who cares about Dids or Dads - just search out any KB YoutTube video
and you will see she's always been great!

I dont = have anything against her per se, and she IS/was GREAT, in someone elses ta= ste than my own. I can hear great-ness in Maddona, Jeff Beck, Genesis, Gree= n Day, millions!! But its just doesnt match my own tastes I guess.
Hell if shes good enough for John Lydon (yes he is a self confessed BIG FAN= of KB - check you tube for his quotes on the matter) then she must be good= !
=A0
Music doesn't get less good
the date it becomes history.

Of course not, my fave mu= sic is 30 years old! But style-wise, she is more aligned with my Dads taste= in music than mine.
=A0
Every time I hear her old stuff it amazes
me how good it is, since here artist image (photos, album covers and
stuff) =A0would not precisely hint that way ;-)

Th= ats just 80s image, we all looked pretty ridiculous back then, eh Per?
<= a href=3D"http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/228732_6291280068_= 5056_n.jpg">http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/228732_629128006= 8_5056_n.jpg

YIKES!

;-)

Anyway, I think we all agree that this Shannon= Haydn is one to watch! She going places, mark my words!

Mark
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www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--047d7b343faaddfa5904c7b42bee-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 16:02:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5C47183477; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:02:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=eGPpjZKdX3LpqGhEL/t8v4Xs+nJ2/B/xgze2nTQraUw=; b=tgEuStTQchEK5ewJ532syavNOl0o6/4TXB4fjopcNMuy+npJCl86Nt5lDJxOgKm5cm jReOpN0zWVBxTILXs7SnxzMMJkEVidKPDEP6CTSQTyOqi5Z5e/pmBeGwF6qSRA0qFPIc nm1h35KmCVdBbSMdcImXL8IbJft7AxUTDsw1gEgliJjDH/sDgezT52NF0vpPgiRh3jlc Y7KQYvfE8/Kl5CU/6QHUv2GAaO31dRYTOPcScAYC03ZaUvhE0QmUGHyOhJA0OcXrOrYt y9FilzSsF29XP6bgYwxykXjsHbCNAbfvzgEKoklUjB0hwmsXt2aburulxG+DRK4/OtqH iNHw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20120819092016.2883644hc2iel8v4@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <5031F6FA.5020807@tiscali.co.uk> <50323BC1.80108@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:02:30 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Heard live-looper Shannon Haydn in Indy From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:02:30 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:28 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Thats just 80s image, we all looked pretty ridiculous back then, eh Per? > http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/228732_6291280068_5056_n.jpg Beautiful! ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 16:43:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 793E9183477; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:43:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <50326927.8010005@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:43:19 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Peters , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: RE: 50th anniversary of realtime looping? References: <003001cd7e26$dbde2c00$939a8400$@de> In-Reply-To: <003001cd7e26$dbde2c00$939a8400$@de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7yuUcB.A.q-F.vkmMQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:43:27 +0000 (UTC) On 8/19/12 9:22 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > there was a discussion about this on LD: > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200211/msg00922.html So wonderful to read such a long, articulate and balanced article from our own beloved founder, Kim Flint. If you are new to this forum, Kim passed away in a violent bicycle crash a few years back at way too young an age. I miss him. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 18:01:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64215183479; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 807402590/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.184.8/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.184.8 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmcEAM16MlBV0rgI/2dsb2JhbAANOI14q10EBIQkAQEEOEARLBYPCQMCAQIBRRwBrUOTcI8BgxwDmxmNKw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,799,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="807402590" Message-ID: <50327B86.6000209@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:01:42 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT. PSU for laptop suitable for audio. References: <003001cd7e26$dbde2c00$939a8400$@de> <50326927.8010005@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <50326927.8010005@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Any suggestions for a PSU for Laptop that doesn't have the usual earthing issues? 19V PC andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 19:17:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E0D518347A; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:17:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0560020970==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120820191624.2384.12966.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:16:39 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:17:13 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0560020970== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello!=20I=20don't=20know=20if=20anyone=20has=20ever=20paid=20attention=20t= o=20this,=20but=20have=20you=20seen=20how=20many=20people=20have=20gotten= =20 away=20with=20swear=20words=20on=20this=20forum?=20I=20remember=20when=20we= =20were=20having=20a=20thread=20about=20why=20 loopers-delight.com=20was=20so=20out-of-date,=20but=20the=20forum=20part=20= was=20as=20lively=20as=20heck.=20Someone=20used=20the=20 F=20word=20"Why=20does=20everything=20have=20to=20be=20so=20f***ing=20up-to= -date?"=20(I=20censored=20the=20word=20out=20so=20I=20 don't=20have=20a=20bad=20track-record=20on=20this=20mailing=20list).=20And= =20I=20read=20the=20help=20file=20(the=20one=20that=20you=20see=20 when=20you=20send=20an=20invalid=20command=20to=20the=20subscription=20serv= er),=20and=20even=20THAT=20file=20had=20some=20(yet=20very=20mild)=20 language=20toward=20the=20end.=20Now,=20I've=20seen=20bad=20language=20in= =20forums,=20and=20if=20I=20would=20have=20signed=20up=20 five=20years=20ago,=20I=20would=20be=20long=20gone=20by=20now;=20I'm=20less= =20sensitive.=20But=20this=20site=20is=20where=20 musicians=20can=20communicate=20with=20each=20other,=20and=20talk=20about= =20electronic=20music=20technology,=20share=20 links,=20write=20articles=20about=20their=20technology=20...=20but=20random= ly=20putting=20the=20F=20word=20in=20the=20middle=20of=20an=20 article=20about=20Mobius?=20I'm=20confused!=20In=20the=20days=20of=20Kim,= =20would=20he=20get=20upset=20when=20someone=20used=20a=20 word=20like=20that? Tyler=20Z --===============0560020970==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 19:24:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 653B2183478; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:24:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=RbXJJYZWHtZ6lZCVnoB8uXBgCN5QJu4z4aTv7UwYTy4=; b=EStEYqOpKk9tFZCHP7CuHnQsWLxtQDD7kYPRnhACWQztViVBqLvg+f3TDCXVO7hxib mkPwjgoHvpqRMm5xslp5yEin2icrs8Dr1wQIdUKQjYZlum4OyfhtCf6v4JpRTHSPqRWD MTlq4+gmR8+hiIFfMBRX61rAvQnwjpfuBAE1R0FPSoObWet2OCvyt4gBPiVJSnGb3Syi nCmnPWjUQdm+43T+ZdjZWN4UgU9fr3Zdk6RwcT3VCxiluzQmq8Dzw5srSxN+14gEvJty wjaf4a6Rd6tJ4V7WtTPYkSdYLYSvjAzjHECmojD7qfDwx0N2BXLWRsvQy04CTFcgYK+W nwcA== Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: <20120820191624.2384.12966.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:24:05 -0700 Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <23844623-3A90-43AF-BE5A-C625A34AD720@gmail.com> References: <20120820191624.2384.12966.levelstar.mail@everest> To: Tyler X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:24:14 +0000 (UTC) Tyler I'm not an old timer here but in my opinion there are no bad = words, only bad communication. I would tell my own son to make his own = choices, communicate effectively, and try not to worry about the choices = of others :) Policy on the board may differ... Phil :) On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Tyler wrote: > Hello! I don't know if anyone has ever paid attention to this, but = have you seen how many people have gotten=20 > away with swear words on this forum? I remember when we were having a = thread about why=20 > loopers-delight.com was so out-of-date, but the forum part was as = lively as heck. Someone used the=20 > F word "Why does everything have to be so f***ing up-to-date?" (I = censored the word out so I=20 > don't have a bad track-record on this mailing list). And I read the = help file (the one that you see=20 > when you send an invalid command to the subscription server), and even = THAT file had some (yet very mild)=20 > language toward the end. Now, I've seen bad language in forums, and if = I would have signed up=20 > five years ago, I would be long gone by now; I'm less sensitive. But = this site is where=20 > musicians can communicate with each other, and talk about electronic = music technology, share=20 > links, write articles about their technology ... but randomly putting = the F word in the middle of an=20 > article about Mobius? I'm confused! In the days of Kim, would he get = upset when someone used a=20 > word like that? > Tyler Z >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 19:31:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 557D6183475; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:31:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 505404.42302.bm@omp1048.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1345491087; bh=M7q9TkZMfI3S+GLzWJfY6UR2UGOaBoHHJQquk4Yn7Ss=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OJew7tXb5YIdVD0cjACGtIpq1NaiorekaMEcYS7PhaLnA3G556Qq5tZWfTuCwdWmpzRwzhUL8AHt7H7RkcNxwscM6Yogb9FjbZvo29bDOfMSd+LE3gipvIrtO+jeqJLx9+lngFX53F9sWuXV58meLN7/jrq8gFCjH++PSKoqJZY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=I3LQ7cVEottIVMCyeomvbujLZsxuZKqeb2p7ukfCWJxyj861j7KxeUxu+igPlbxufvlX9s6qTDJNvJDUAIXmLimy8YkJL2dN9ioPjXR2inxZpI0Z351dpHFnsUFI7PLD7xYZ6UCux1oS+uAhkhlZOvoL2lZK5dKIJxghYZFo5hU=; X-YMail-OSG: 5ut2gF8VM1nlU798wynbRkWsKIXJ.sefgtsAIai9zCnoNKd aye8DOH2QyaHXOwpt2Dw1gjm8WRuRcHgdm3oztzc_sCbYlEcD8LCipR2Bjz. naNyNSX4ixfEccI6I7Jt6g3uUm2obTLH3NMFehL_GxfWrKLx9HTnLvr.hTXm QhM3cidba_x7Tmk1d5fgNdiPCU3uQejlLLL86RGyVSuOLWrrVXii3u3R1WIp tmWaa0WmcMj9WZ32qXJa.oMJj.5MOXZwAHpRnlZMF2oo2wcWb37GJ57iqHnc zRWnQ1pC9lZpuuilB4K.plskzODhZS7DN.wbmF2R3TaVX3KzDO9drSPboxM1 3O7MDwgI8BLniMFWMaQ97W9MtItLB2MroNJ3CYmm.7cVk1uBpZj1B8MztzIP T4V5LEAjOwxzD_RYlwrXsW6dYqXYILpTkBbdtWOxY9DRpZAJf1LW7pkqLyor 2Ydu08M5cUGDo7Q08ZvogvRrvajOZ4kjt4jhe_xZ3UjxfUFqdQwGIbe.ly3S 4xQE_7Te0ohCQYUSDlBAkKk6qrXaA7UCzkfZrMaSoa8RdiXlucz7afkWakCs SpZwcDts4SMI- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: <20120820191624.2384.12966.levelstar.mail@everest> <23844623-3A90-43AF-BE5A-C625A34AD720@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1345491087.24915.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:31:27 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <23844623-3A90-43AF-BE5A-C625A34AD720@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-709188601-1734701908-1345491087=:24915" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:31:30 +0000 (UTC) ---709188601-1734701908-1345491087=:24915 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have to go with Tyler on this one. I use plenty of profanity in day-to-day conversation, but on a public forum? It really isn't necessary. As people used to say about R.G. Letourneau, "that man can cuss me out harder than any man I know, and not say a single cuss word while doing it". It just seems to reflect a higher level of "musical integrity" by not stooping to profanity. My $.02 worth. Rig ________________________________ From: Phil Clevenger To: Tyler Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 12:24 PM Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not) Tyler I'm not an old timer here but in my opinion there are no bad words, only bad communication. I would tell my own son to make his own choices, communicate effectively, and try not to worry about the choices of others :) Policy on the board may differ... Phil :) On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Tyler wrote: > Hello! I don't know if anyone has ever paid attention to this, but have you seen how many people have gotten > away with swear words on this forum? I remember when we were having a thread about why > loopers-delight.com was so out-of-date, but the forum part was as lively as heck. Someone used the > F word "Why does everything have to be so f***ing up-to-date?" (I censored the word out so I > don't have a bad track-record on this mailing list). And I read the help file (the one that you see > when you send an invalid command to the subscription server), and even THAT file had some (yet very mild) > language toward the end. Now, I've seen bad language in forums, and if I would have signed up > five years ago, I would be long gone by now; I'm less sensitive. But this site is where > musicians can communicate with each other, and talk about electronic music technology, share > links, write articles about their technology ... but randomly putting the F word in the middle of an > article about Mobius? I'm confused! In the days of Kim, would he get upset when someone used a > word like that? > Tyler Z > ---709188601-1734701908-1345491087=:24915 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I have to go with Tyler on this one. I use plenty of profanity in day-to-day conversation, but on a public forum? It really isn't necessary. As people used to say about R.G. Letourneau, "that man can cuss me out harder than any man I know, and not say a single cuss word while doing it". It just seems to reflect a higher level of "musical integrity" by not stooping to profanity. My $.02 worth.
Rig
From: Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com>
To: Tyler <programmer651@comcast.net>
Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not)

Tyler I'm not an old timer here but in my opinion there are no bad words, only bad communication. I would tell my own son to make his own choices, communicate effectively, and try not to worry about the choices of others :)

Policy on the board may differ...

Phil :)


On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Tyler wrote:

> Hello! I don't know if anyone has ever paid attention to this, but have you seen how many people have gotten
> away with swear words on this forum? I remember when we were having a thread about why
> loopers-delight.com was so out-of-date, but the forum part was as lively as heck. Someone used the
> F word "Why does everything have to be so f***ing up-to-date?" (I censored the word out so I
> don't have a bad track-record on this mailing list). And I read the help file (the one that you see
> when you send an invalid command to the subscription server), and even THAT file had some (yet very mild)
> language toward the end. Now, I've seen bad language in forums, and if I would have signed up
> five years ago, I would be long gone by now; I'm less sensitive. But this site is where
> musicians can communicate with each other, and talk about electronic music technology, share
> links, write articles about their technology ... but randomly putting the F word in the middle of an
> article about Mobius? I'm confused! In the days of Kim, would he get upset when someone used a
> word like that?
> Tyler Z
>



---709188601-1734701908-1345491087=:24915-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 20:01:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8628E183475; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:01:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <1529C773-53EE-431D-ACF2-CAC5B3113267@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--34033173 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Heard live-looper Shannon Haydn in Indy Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:01:10 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:01:19 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6--34033173 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > minimal looping. > > > > is this the backlash against exploration? > > > > andy Never, in this case it served the cover well, perhaps she gets a bit more experimental and edgy on her own material? what can I say, I love hearing cello in a contemporary setting. Her voice didn't exactly lure me to the rocks but her playing and ideas were strong. What can I say? I dig Cello Chix. OK now back to multiple tracks of quantize replace sequences, resampled at variable speeds played in reverse. Bill --Apple-Mail-6--34033173 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> > minimal looping. 
> 
> is this the backlash against = exploration?
> 
> andy
Never,  in this case it served the cover well, perhaps she = gets a bit more experimental and edgy on her own material? what can I = say, I love hearing cello in a contemporary setting. Her voice didn't = exactly lure me to the rocks but her playing and ideas were strong. =   What can I say?  I dig Cello Chix.   OK now back to = multiple tracks of quantize replace sequences, resampled at variable = speeds played in reverse.

Bill

= --Apple-Mail-6--34033173-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 20:09:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F35D183461; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:09:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kevinkissinger.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=Y9JbWJaXGg2wWkTItc4jecs/Gh+67kZ4JwFpjS4nkZc=; b=fxDbFWMKcfF4Huotqk1ZkC8cdPc6BRoSBTzfR+hNUPe6boeyYS2lxLIFyeyuUhK6rD4dmZTliXfojkDXrAtpuUTPbX3yMOWiTPyS4Uh0YkaT4CZxplSf2FT5MIO9J4WX; Message-ID: <20120820150917.13585552zb7gwwod@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:09:17 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Heard live-looper Shannon Haydn in Indy References: <1529C773-53EE-431D-ACF2-CAC5B3113267@baymoon.com> In-Reply-To: <1529C773-53EE-431D-ACF2-CAC5B3113267@baymoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.11) X-Identified-User: {3864:box516.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:smtp auth 127.0.0.1 authed with kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:09:41 +0000 (UTC) Her material in Indy was all original -- lots of precise pedal pushing. I just pseudo-randomly picked a video that demonstrates her playing in an informal, club setting. There is another video of one of her student recitals at Yale where she plays one of her own works for electronically processed/looped 'cello. She was well-received by everyone at the Indianapolis event. I understand what can happen when one does more "conventional" music and "covers". For example, on my website I have some arrangements of covers that I play on theremin (i.e., "Londonderry Aire") and someone who's only exposure to my music is that one track would have a narrow picture of what I do. -- Kevin Quoting William Walker : > > >>> > minimal looping. >>> >>> is this the backlash against exploration? >>> >>> andy > > Never, in this case it served the cover well, perhaps she gets a > bit more experimental and edgy on her own material? what can I say, > I love hearing cello in a contemporary setting. Her voice didn't > exactly lure me to the rocks but her playing and ideas were strong. > What can I say? I dig Cello Chix. OK now back to multiple > tracks of quantize replace sequences, resampled at variable speeds > played in reverse. > > Bill > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 20:14:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5185E183475; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:14:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=SM6vlqkVdri4V0MxgOHTrVl3r4cVLxlxsNLc5ocNVTU=; b=TDNcu9S4roDw4BobpE4Bw4ShbWVl7A+2RtoTVurbFbhWLCm/MzK7k0APs1hJxo5ra2 d/VP00o1E7K+G4/UXEG5AJk3z6EsWPVlu1LKSo7ijU6wBitdhvZmnPauKUW6k9s5E7kU yeyoYMNw3gAUr86awmeIyWjG9u/2lRCRyujQXGogRSPeufUXpxyA0dOZNVkmtGmfTx++ mrpD+OVjsG6W0D2h5DDljvSVwtrHDG8qAZPB0VpYXpJCs0l1g1sT+xy7tNB0Dt2qqT6j uMPcPNhv23f0AcJpBPFI1IjjXI4esiKOjERR7DZk+YF6k2VH977oD6K+f736cye9WJeA iWMQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1345491087.24915.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20120820191624.2384.12966.levelstar.mail@everest> <23844623-3A90-43AF-BE5A-C625A34AD720@gmail.com> <1345491087.24915.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:14:50 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:14:51 +0000 (UTC) I think a modest reminder asking people to behave nice is in place. But no one should be discriminated for "bad language". We do not discriminate people that do not possess "golden ears" or "perfect English" do we? To a certain degree it is the individual's choice to pick his words when communicating but we do have different backgrounds and for some it might be almost impossible to not use what others regard "bad words" because where they come from swearing is just normal behavior. My modest suggestion for the list policy is to not use bad words but tolerate if someone does anyway, if typed without bad intentions. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen Nice & Modest like h.... ops! I didn't say it!!! :-) On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 9:31 PM, bill bigrig wrote: > I have to go with Tyler on this one. I use plenty of profanity in day-to-day > conversation, but on a public forum? It really isn't necessary. As people > used to say about R.G. Letourneau, "that man can cuss me out harder than any > man I know, and not say a single cuss word while doing it". It just seems to > reflect a higher level of "musical integrity" by not stooping to profanity. > My $.02 worth. > Rig > ________________________________ > From: Phil Clevenger > To: Tyler > Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 12:24 PM > Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not) > > Tyler I'm not an old timer here but in my opinion there are no bad words, > only bad communication. I would tell my own son to make his own choices, > communicate effectively, and try not to worry about the choices of others :) > > Policy on the board may differ... > > Phil :) > > > On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Tyler wrote: > >> Hello! I don't know if anyone has ever paid attention to this, but have >> you seen how many people have gotten >> away with swear words on this forum? I remember when we were having a >> thread about why >> loopers-delight.com was so out-of-date, but the forum part was as lively >> as heck. Someone used the >> F word "Why does everything have to be so f***ing up-to-date?" (I censored >> the word out so I >> don't have a bad track-record on this mailing list). And I read the help >> file (the one that you see >> when you send an invalid command to the subscription server), and even >> THAT file had some (yet very mild) >> language toward the end. Now, I've seen bad language in forums, and if I >> would have signed up >> five years ago, I would be long gone by now; I'm less sensitive. But this >> site is where >> musicians can communicate with each other, and talk about electronic music >> technology, share >> links, write articles about their technology ... but randomly putting the >> F word in the middle of an >> article about Mobius? I'm confused! In the days of Kim, would he get upset >> when someone used a >> word like that? >> Tyler Z >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 20:15:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07DD9183479; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:15:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=/0O+0/Molh4mcds1QMoIH07QldKSNqAckp+XXih7mlg=; b=1FFB0pWZ19C0246gtWwrC84EqM0PJWmM0eHWXcttQToeZi6v4bDUF5UmKJS12KMbwa 8EBBjGuwV9XTB81072XAHiNZNnun+5G2DY9vdMFeAG/SO02aNaCLhpwU3E1v/nDQ+cNR 5KMuprv1BDyfI6AJDU269wZtHkScGK+TtgxOPuTxUpJ8Lxw1S1kkHYgD6FlJw6lJwcm5 c2AgXWh0pj/C5Mfkk97Ecs7s0QCAtE/7qDXsUVqlf1aL7rZ3HAL1mjBqzCVmq8A+dUXo aQnj2KsHOKYfJiHJoPxhCgeon3rQY1o4oOyyLiCe0J9ZAO8+QylurSLZKvNPOc6xvf7x 8ZeA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1345491087.24915.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20120820191624.2384.12966.levelstar.mail@everest> <23844623-3A90-43AF-BE5A-C625A34AD720@gmail.com> <1345491087.24915.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:15:55 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not) From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <6KH8FC.A.0a.8rpMQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:15:56 +0000 (UTC) (without malicious intent) My opinion is that all words (good and bad) are fair game. Telling people what words they can use and which they can't is a slippery slope to censorship. A lot of very good books were censored because they used bad words (or good words in bad ways). Similarly, sometimes the right thing to say is: fuck. It's a word, people use in different contexts and we all get the different meaning that comes from its use. Get over it. I don't swear very much and almost never on a public forum. However, when the language police shows up on your doorstep, the only reasonable thing to do is to tell them to fuck off. Sylvain From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 20:25:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76D90183465; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:25:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=trufun.com; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject; bh=qzlvW+SV0kYo2Ayz2ejudBb3siBpG5u0l8m0RhuZ0Po=; b=R/tXBi8g0fvMhLM/2fIcp82rY6vkyUVu8yScvrWeGK4pKczuJ88402peU5TdJmjRBqahgKYvw7+nMw0KlWUb5iN57fuMbnTS7KiW7dKu60xXWcvO3prQLPc7ycFHLq23; Subject: "Watching the Detectives" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Gans In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:25:11 -0700 Cc: David Gans Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20120820191624.2384.12966.levelstar.mail@everest> <23844623-3A90-43AF-BE5A-C625A34AD720@gmail.com> <1345491087.24915.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:25:19 +0000 (UTC) Here's a performance of Elvis Costello's "Watching the Detectives." I'm = playing guitar and singing, with the aid of my Boss RC-20XL, and Tim = Carbone of Railroad Earth is playing fiddle. http://www.dgans.com/audio/120805_detectives_carbone.mp3 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 20:34:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43BAD183479; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:34:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20120820193130.C37C418347C@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:34:01 -0700 References: <20120820193130.C37C418347C@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:34:09 +0000 (UTC) Hey Tyler , this site as far as I know, has never had any kind of language policy, and the founder Kim Flint had a policy of non intervention preferring that list members, as adults could police themselves and their own language. And we all honor that policy even if it means putting up with language we don't care for from time to time. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 20:34:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 164C3183482; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:34:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 202787.5821.bm@omp1040.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1345494866; bh=w2a80waYk/O8LLZYZoScW5NQg/s1hkk70VBMgWlhkAw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ve/lFbKcQGU2X3OhMJ8RIKiW9fycvHbUNK4RlnSRnB//g76DoSLnhAUjitmMckZHYMnQVoWhVTc5DdWtT/DHeepQmY2tRT7DnegtY0k/aRzzsxqbZvz1QZ/u03DvoywXlhCccaoPkiWMBNYngWuyybOgVQJflT8SEfQI/znYN1U= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=w6soqv8DG2IkRTfGj4TNyENtu2iTEbm7mu7XcZgCk2e6bixm94jQi2mLLwqt6ckPqLkUKxjeDt+wCtagZmYL+YGvVcSiaUDA5mcGaRYtpUGIvvXGja+tblQGekheKw4RFllYN/r2lWr9YBOTelAlMS2CGB1mlCDkr4mhfKF2Lvw=; X-YMail-OSG: 9AOoLxwVM1kl2PU3hrDQT2VL7e3dbT..wUKxSZ0PTa.Ete7 bhaXVk8TRb6vY40ORw48Dqbx3VBel2HClB_vwrZ2Zl0fnDj5PhSrQTfQOas0 lQY8vZhBvKcuBvmUMng8DejmS8ztODysyRfXf0z0.c710P083ZmQZyY_zTSg 4v2XDFrVELRZI9nocfjaHmz1Tu_99NXTR8ZKcL1j7Yp.cKXuFcWnL8c4jgwK 9fkc97hMFfO7Ew6Qw0EyUFoE6KzccXyrkTgNpaQF9A5TQwZ2178b5Ym_p08T nuyle7bfezv5QKH_SUS8xgp6bpnDvIMr8KZMI2AOGeCw406xhzeiZ_3kp8wE 9aDFU6MIwVHP1WGkB4v0sxo3RL3idiEVsh2eZQ6u3D_83i.gq7KXY6lTPmk0 iKjanVdTyUY4V2SX_qXcRb_WIKSqeSmuMvAmoi_.KXGSVmsvWEHo617MsaVh 5ArtqCyhmKWNn2_r4EEJNCIhy_z6d2oBh_1_3 X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: <20120820191624.2384.12966.levelstar.mail@everest> <23844623-3A90-43AF-BE5A-C625A34AD720@gmail.com> <1345491087.24915.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1345494866.77731.YahooMailNeo@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:34:26 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-981468583-1519710175-1345494866=:77731" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:34:27 +0000 (UTC) ---981468583-1519710175-1345494866=:77731 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You raise an extremely valid point. My feeling is is line with yours, but I= think we show more intelligence and wisdom by leaving them aside. "I may n= ot agree with something someone says, but I will fight to the death, if nec= essary, to defend the right to say it" Rig=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Sylvain Poitras =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: M= onday, August 20, 2012 1:15 PM=0ASubject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive la= nguage policy (not)=0A=0A(without malicious intent)=0A=0AMy opinion is that= all words (good and bad) are fair game.=A0 Telling=0Apeople what words the= y can use and which they can't is a slippery=0Aslope to censorship.=0A=0AA = lot of very good books were censored because they used bad words (or=0Agood= words in bad ways).=0A=0ASimilarly, sometimes the right thing to say is: f= uck.=A0 It's a word,=0Apeople use in different contexts and we all get the = different meaning=0Athat comes from its use.=A0 Get over it.=0A=0AI don't s= wear very much and almost never on a public forum.=A0 However,=0Awhen the l= anguage police shows up on your doorstep, the only=0Areasonable thing to do= is to tell them to fuck off.=0A=0ASylvain ---981468583-1519710175-1345494866=:77731 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You raise an extremely valid point. My feeling is is line with yours, but I= think we show more intelligence and wisdom by leaving them aside. "I = may not agree with something someone says, but I will fight to the death, i= f necessary, to defend the right to say it"=0D
Rig
From: Sylvain Poi= tras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 1:15 PM<= br> Subject: Re: Looper= 9;s Delight offensive language policy (not)

=0A(with= out malicious intent)

My opinion is that all words (good and bad) ar= e fair game.  Telling
people what words they can use and which they= can't is a slippery
slope to censorship.

A lot of very good book= s were censored because they used bad words (or
good words in bad ways).=

Similarly, sometimes the right thing to say is: fuck.  It's a = word,
people use in different contexts and we all get the different mean= ing
that comes from its use.  Get over it.

I don't swear ver= y much and almost never on a public forum.  However,
when the langu= age police shows up on your doorstep, the only
reasonable thing to do is= to tell them to fuck off.

Sylvain



---981468583-1519710175-1345494866=:77731-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 20:36:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A363183477; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:36:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=FeQbY4zfDajk/V8mluylVTUCP4xjzx2cW/3WbXZ2nH0=; b=pf14fBTWyAfqlSbAkPulxoDvvbEr3OwoirwUNc62I3/IgSawNiPWjqeE1frwg0V7zJ M+r/BkkcK3lo16O74BaUQEmKh/tmTuKGA9PTpCiqmwU+tLCE/GG2FWGY2fBjLLVlBSgU CEeWbX1ijAaZdhlNIasTXvaVainzlHRpDtsDqP6Sk8dhcvt7gv/T9f6KwHnVObBxES1J OceGJItobczROBpCjLjxY6qaAsBT4G8qm8fVoBMCif5Xw7oYbrI8CKbKMP/ruaaO5sFX dT82bfM6Bqo9hhlvDsMzNveUzII4K2jcY9ieXQtTleynJWdYnBbJ7h4CKDI77BiTdnCr X4tQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20120820193130.C37C418347C@arsenic.violacea.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:36:23 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:36:24 +0000 (UTC) + 1 on "Mr Cello Chix"! :-) P-;) On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:34 PM, William Walker wrote: > Hey Tyler , this site as far as I know, has never had any kind of language > policy, and the founder Kim Flint had a policy of non intervention > preferring that list members, as adults could police themselves and their > own language. And we all honor that policy even if it means putting up with > language we don't care for from time to time. > Bill > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 20:40:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E50B183479; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:40:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=mbmzpwhjWjycupOHhitlT+S0ZXtkrsG8Q4bSrNwsEFE=; b=wHYLI+F16Bua6Vjp6bbrlCTBaXbuH5f6ftzfiNxX9P0ekyr3RaxdVsfukvPe7Jv5V2 Rvi4CL2MUlYlsSaAJHGD5q+0n4votdvNHgW9iQu7b1Z8FO+RjuQtoFZpwwfbJSTuAcwv aYOUlZl95PyIRqPJqnmgvG2PWf4SXspuIKVpK5djyaVMsxE/dVqa/4AS+L0uQ26QAK3j 5p0J9hpg5wlfEKVDdy+UTTY1QSilBg+TvZ2Y9xrq0AWLvJPHLavW42SLQmDsiYw1zJ72 tdAwjP4aM2fQwggZEfW5NkADAs2n5w/qo2WlNFyB+O53q811yS1oGcqdqMmNcEfV5MUz l61A== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not) From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:39:56 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20120820193130.C37C418347C@arsenic.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:40:03 +0000 (UTC) +1 here too viva CelloChix ! On Aug 20, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > + 1 on "Mr Cello Chix"! :-) >=20 > P-;) >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:34 PM, William Walker = wrote: >> Hey Tyler , this site as far as I know, has never had any kind of = language >> policy, and the founder Kim Flint had a policy of non intervention >> preferring that list members, as adults could police themselves and = their >> own language. And we all honor that policy even if it means putting = up with >> language we don't care for from time to time. >> Bill >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 20:50:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 800D9183478; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:50:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0560020970==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120820205038.5459.12966.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:50:41 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:50:55 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0560020970== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There=20is=20no=20age=20limit=20on=20the=20forum!=20I've=20looked=20everywh= ere! Tyler=20Z On=20Mon,=2020=20Aug=202012=2013:34:01=20-0700,=20William=20Walker=20wrote: >Hey=20Tyler=20,=20=20this=20site=20as=20far=20as=20I=20know,=20=20has=20ne= ver=20had=20any=20kind=20of=20=20 >language=20policy,=20and=20the=20founder=20Kim=20Flint=20had=20a=20policy= =20of=20non=20=20 >intervention=20preferring=20that=20list=20members,=20as=20adults=20=20coul= d=20police=20=20 >themselves=20and=20their=20own=20language.=20=20And=20we=20all=20honor=20t= hat=20policy=20even=20=20 >if=20it=20means=20putting=20up=20with=20language=20we=20don't=20care=20for= =20from=20time=20to=20=20 >time. >Bill --===============0560020970==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 23:49:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B47DD18347A; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:49:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=1v2SUnE/UNmNVOhkex3jTwu1edAXvw98fv0Vlt0ySp0=; b=mwBlTrLwQLMontwJbE8SsHPgp4o4izGhjzw7pb/sA/ZOeKqs4lfAB4FNbraXgCtZVH t1sld6/E/+bBjIivPqCaMa400bEANe+YA3O8b9kPT77TaM2PJ6W2WZPhMwjxijwShjwP S0aXHnrW9yhJMuexG96z2Wf2L4KHXpjSd/ZhJh72Rc/e3PLpOXChyGPPziphFdlGGrQK yffY5EbIy0hviBL0b2QqnpyMBFE84oBLr0MfOX8h9ag381BHERszvN+VS5HWv6O5Ud/m +JqZehppKC06eCPTnj1gEJiseB35jnb4iE2ccrgJSK/JtqURBqoQiTEeJN6fzDVwCgNM 87xw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120820191624.2384.12966.levelstar.mail@everest> References: <20120820191624.2384.12966.levelstar.mail@everest> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 01:49:18 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not) To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b343884b539d704c7bb29aa Resent-Message-ID: <25sktD.A.hTC.U0sMQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:49:40 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b343884b539d704c7bb29aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Tyler, It could be that I am one of the worse offenders on this list! I swear and curse by nature, but hopefully not as a lazy excuse for poor vocabulary. I was brought up in a rough and dangerous city, and I guess the language of the streets just stuck. No word offends me like some political views or business practices offend me, a word is simply a word. However words have power, and it's important not to abuse that power, all over used words lose their power in a way, and thats a shame. I remember a New Yorker friend of mine once saying that the f word was so overused that New Yorkers would use it to greet each other as in... STREET DUDE (on seeing a long lost friend) "Hey Fuck you!" STREET DUDES FRIEND "Hey fuck you dude" Hence a much more flowery and eloquent form of insult had emerged to make up for the fact that the usual words had now lost its power.. as in... 1) Hug my nuts you stinking sack of shit 2) Love my butt hair The other thing to bare in mind is that these words have a long and illustrious history, Shakespeare used the f word, Chaucer used the c word. And every country has different ones. Fuck for example is not a rude word at all here in Norway, as its a foreign word. And when a film came out here a few years ago entitled "Fucking =C5mal" an English friend stopped in horr= or and pointed " you cant write that down the side of a bus!" As for the use of profanity on this list, I generally think that, age is not relevant, no one is 9 years old here... and even if we are not, we should all behave as adults. That means we should not really be shocked by the words that other people from other backgrounds and cultures use, but should also not deliberately offend. If I have offended you (really) by use of the f word or some other than I really truthfully apologize, as it would not be my intention ever to do so, however, I do not (as others profess to do) act or write any differently here than I do in any other situation, except perhaps when I am with my elderly relatives, my customers, or other peoples young children. (I'm abashed to say that my own son has heard all manner of filth from these lips. Its a very interesting point you bring up Tyler, as always, and IMNSHO totally ON TOPIC, because, although the primary reason we are all here is looping the secondary reason is community, and this community spans different countries, cultures, religions and as such is what makes it so fascinating. To close I would like to present a wonderful video by a renown Norwegian video artist about the most significant Norwegian swear word. If you want to learn a little of this endangered language, this is good place to start. Don't worry, its in English. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DAkJf0md1kG8 Mark On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 9:16 PM, Tyler wrote: > Hello! I don't know if anyone has ever paid attention to this, but have > you seen how many people have gotten > away with swear words on this forum? I remember when we were having a > thread about why > loopers-delight.com was so out-of-date, but the forum part was as lively > as heck. Someone used the > F word "Why does everything have to be so f***ing up-to-date?" (I censore= d > the word out so I > don't have a bad track-record on this mailing list). And I read the help > file (the one that you see > when you send an invalid command to the subscription server), and even > THAT file had some (yet very mild) > language toward the end. Now, I've seen bad language in forums, and if I > would have signed up > five years ago, I would be long gone by now; I'm less sensitive. But this > site is where > musicians can communicate with each other, and talk about electronic musi= c > technology, share > links, write articles about their technology ... but randomly putting the > F word in the middle of an > article about Mobius? I'm confused! In the days of Kim, would he get upse= t > when someone used a > word like that? > Tyler Z > > --=20 mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --047d7b343884b539d704c7bb29aa Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Tyler,
It could be that I am one of the worse offenders on this list! I swear and = curse by nature, but hopefully not as a lazy excuse for poor
vocabulary.
I was brought up in a rough and dangerous city, and I guess the language of= the streets just stuck.
No word offends me like some political views or business practices offend m= e, a word is simply a word. However words have power, and it's importan= t not to abuse that power, all over used words lose their power in a way, a= nd thats a shame.
I remember a New Yorker friend of mine once saying that the f word was so o= verused that New Yorkers would use it to greet each other as in...

S= TREET DUDE (on seeing a long lost friend)
"Hey Fuck you!"
STREET DUDES FRIEND
"Hey fuck you dude"

Hence a much mo= re flowery and eloquent form of insult had emerged to make up for the fact = that the usual words had now lost its power.. as=A0 in...

1) Hug my = nuts you stinking sack of shit
2) Love my butt hair

The other thing to bare in mind is that these w= ords have a long and illustrious history, Shakespeare used the f word, Chau= cer used the c word. And every country has different ones. Fuck for example= is not a rude word at all here in Norway, as its a foreign word. And when = a film came out here a few years ago entitled "Fucking =C5mal" an= English friend stopped in horror and pointed " you cant write that do= wn the side of a bus!"

As for the use of profanity on this list, I generally think that, age i= s not relevant, no one is 9 years old here... and even if we are not, we sh= ould all behave as adults. That means we should not really be shocked by th= e words that other people from other backgrounds and cultures use, but shou= ld also not deliberately offend.

If I have offended you (really) by use of the f word or some other than= I really truthfully apologize, as it would not be my intention ever to do = so, however, I do not (as others profess to do) act or write any differentl= y here than I do in any other situation, except perhaps when I am with my e= lderly relatives, my customers, or other peoples young children. (I'm a= bashed to say that my own son has heard all manner of filth from these lips= .

Its a very interesting point you bring up Tyler, as always, and IMNSHO = totally ON TOPIC, because, although the primary reason we are all here is l= ooping the secondary reason is community, and this community spans differen= t countries, cultures, religions and as such is what makes it so fascinatin= g.

To close I would like to present a wonderful video by a renown Norwegia= n video artist about the most significant Norwegian swear word. If you want= to learn a little of this endangered language, this is good place to start= . Don't worry, its in English.

http://www.you= tube.com/watch?v=3DAkJf0md1kG8

Mark






<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 9:16 PM, Tyler <programmer651@comcast.net> wrote:
Hello! I don't know if anyone has ever p= aid attention to this, but have you seen how many people have gotten
away with swear words on this forum? I remember when we were having a threa= d about why
loopers-delight.co= m was so out-of-date, but the forum part was as lively as heck. Someone= used the
F word "Why does everything have to be so f***ing up-to-date?" (I= censored the word out so I
don't have a bad track-record on this mailing list). And I read the hel= p file (the one that you see
when you send an invalid command to the subscription server), and even THAT= file had some (yet very mild)
language toward the end. Now, I've seen bad language in forums, and if = I would have signed up
five years ago, I would be long gone by now; I'm less sensitive. But th= is site is where
musicians can communicate with each other, and talk about electronic music = technology, share
links, write articles about their technology ... but randomly putting the F= word in the middle of an
article about Mobius? I'm confused! In the days of Kim, would he get up= set when someone used a
word like that?
Tyler Z




--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com=
www.ordoabk= hao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
--047d7b343884b539d704c7bb29aa-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 00:48:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDD95183478; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:48:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <1345491087.24915.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20120820191624.2384.12966.levelstar.mail@everest> <23844623-3A90-43AF-BE5A-C625A34AD720@gmail.com> <1345491087.24915.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--16796315 Message-Id: From: Revfever Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:48:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host5.webserveralpha.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ubergadget.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:48:31 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--16796315 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Personal Philosophy (aka-rant) Dept: Words of any kind have never really affected me all thatmuch, for better or worse, public or private. Or, at least I try to not let them do so, except for whenever words are used specifically and only for the purposes of unfairly and unjustifiably attacking or denigrating, or hurting someone or something, or to deceive or to be dishonest etc, whether those words were also laced with profanities, or not. (Most politicians, especially Rethuglicans with their "values!" blah blah blah, are real "adept" and very experienced at doing this.) It's only the intent and purpose that are important and if anyone gets "offended" by something...(wait for it...here comes the Zen)...it is only themselves that are allowing that to happen. Better to just rise above the occasion and move on, at least in most cases. For me personally, I just do not believe in being too hyper-sensitive and overly PC, and that too is only my personal opinion and viewpoint. But, that is also not a "license" to be some jackass and to make a calculated effort to try to "offend" someone, especially for only the purposes of doing so. However, I also think that trying to always be whatever(?) "perfect" and / or "correct" etc are, can also have the possibility to eventually make someone nuts, or at least be way too much wound up inside too often, and that really cannot be to anyone's personal overall health benefit, IMO, along with how it may also resonate with others. I've encountered enough overly PC etc people before thru out the years and usually I ended up with having to get as far away from most of them as possible, even if their intentions may have been well placed (or perceived to be so?) at the time. Anyone can overdo anything, for the better or for the worse. Trying to maintain Balance (along with personal sanity) here is at least one of the keys, IMO. It's also just not how the Real World exists or operates and I certainly do not support any kind of suppression of speech of any kind in whatever way someone else chooses to express themselves or their opinions, etc, good or not so. That's them saying it and not me, and often, allowing someone to freely express themselves, for better or worse, can give a more clearer picture of that person's overall personality...or at least to maybe some degree. I'd rather have even an "opaque" picture of someone than one that was more kept in the dark. If ever there's something that pops up that may bother me, I usually just hit "delete" or change the channel etc and move on and try to not allow it harsh my mellow for the day, depending on what it is, of course. There are also sometimes some things that can even get my personal goat and cause a sour reaction within myself, but those are usually pretty rare and I try to let (or make) them pass as soon as possible....if possible. But ultimately, there are simply FAR MORE bigger and much more important, and also better things to focus on in today's crazy world here on Big Mama Earth. Just my Jefferson head nickel's worth :-) Cheers- Rev.Fever Portlandia http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:31 PM, bill bigrig wrote: > I have to go with Tyler on this one. I use plenty of profanity in > day-to-day conversation, but on a public forum? It really isn't > necessary. As people used to say about R.G. Letourneau, "that man > can cuss me out harder than any man I know, and not say a single > cuss word while doing it". It just seems to reflect a higher level > of "musical integrity" by not stooping to profanity. My $.02 worth. > Rig > From: Phil Clevenger > To: Tyler > Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 12:24 PM > Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not) > > Tyler I'm not an old timer here but in my opinion there are no bad > words, only bad communication. I would tell my own son to make his > own choices, communicate effectively, and try not to worry about > the choices of others :) > > Policy on the board may differ... > > Phil :) > > > On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Tyler wrote: > > > Hello! I don't know if anyone has ever paid attention to this, > but have you seen how many people have gotten > > away with swear words on this forum? I remember when we were > having a thread about why > > loopers-delight.com was so out-of-date, but the forum part was as > lively as heck. Someone used the > > F word "Why does everything have to be so f***ing up-to-date?" (I > censored the word out so I > > don't have a bad track-record on this mailing list). And I read > the help file (the one that you see > > when you send an invalid command to the subscription server), and > even THAT file had some (yet very mild) > > language toward the end. Now, I've seen bad language in forums, > and if I would have signed up > > five years ago, I would be long gone by now; I'm less sensitive. > But this site is where > > musicians can communicate with each other, and talk about > electronic music technology, share > > links, write articles about their technology ... but randomly > putting the F word in the middle of an > > article about Mobius? I'm confused! In the days of Kim, would he > get upset when someone used a > > word like that? > > Tyler Z > > > > > --Apple-Mail-2--16796315 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Personal Philosophy (aka-rant) Dept:

Words of = any kind have never really affected me all thatmuch, for better or = worse, public or private. Or, at least I try to not let them do so, = except for whenever words are used specifically and only for the = purposes of unfairly and unjustifiably attacking or denigrating, or = hurting someone or something, or to deceive or to be dishonest etc, = whether those words were also laced with profanities, or not. =   (Most politicians, especially Rethuglicans with their = "values!" blah blah blah, are real "adept" and very experienced at doing = this.)

It's only the intent and purpose that are = important and if anyone gets "offended" by something...(wait for = it...here comes the Zen)...it is only themselves that are allowing that = to happen. 
Better to just rise above the occasion and = move on, at least in most cases.

For me = personally, I just do not believe in being too hyper-sensitive and = overly PC, and that too is only my personal opinion and viewpoint. But, = that is also not a "license" to be some jackass and to make a calculated = effort to try to "offend" someone, especially for only the purposes of = doing so. However, I also think that trying to always be whatever(?) = "perfect" 
and / or "correct" etc are, can also have the = possibility to eventually make someone nuts, or at least be way too much = wound up inside too often, and that really cannot be to anyone's = personal overall health benefit, IMO, along with how it may also = resonate with others. I've encountered enough overly PC etc people = before thru out the years and usually I ended up with having to get as = far away from most of them as possible, even if their intentions may = have been well placed (or perceived to be so?) at the time. Anyone can = overdo anything, 
for the better or for the worse. Trying = to maintain Balance (along with personal sanity) here is at least one of = the keys, IMO.

It's also just not how the = Real World exists or operates and I certainly do not support any kind of = suppression of speech of any kind in whatever way someone else chooses = to express themselves or their opinions, etc, good or not so. = That's them saying it and not me, and often, allowing someone to freely = express themselves, for better or worse, can give a more clearer = picture of that person's overall personality...or at least to maybe some = degree. I'd rather have even an "opaque" picture of someone than one = that was more kept in the dark.

If ever there's = something that pops up that may bother me, I usually just hit "delete" = or change the channel etc and move on and try to not allow it harsh my = mellow for the day, 
depending on what it is, of course. = There are also sometimes some things that can even get my personal goat = and cause a sour reaction within myself, but those are usually pretty = rare
and I try to let (or make) them pass as soon as = possible....if possible. 

But ultimately, = there are simply FAR MORE bigger and much more important, and = also better things to focus on in today's crazy world here on Big Mama = Earth.

Just my Jefferson head nickel's = worth :-)  


I have to = go with Tyler on this one. I use plenty of profanity in day-to-day = conversation, but on a public forum? It really isn't necessary. As = people used to say about R.G. Letourneau, "that man can cuss me out = harder than any man I know, and not say a single cuss word while doing = it". It just seems to reflect a higher level of "musical integrity" by = not stooping to profanity. My $.02 worth.
Rig
From: Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com><= br> To: Tyler <programmer651@comcast.net>= ;
Cc: loopers-delight@looper= s-delight.com
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: Looper's Delight = offensive language policy (not)

Tyler I'm not an = old timer here but in my opinion there are no bad words, only bad = communication. I would tell my own son to make his own choices, = communicate effectively, and try not to worry about the choices of = others :)

Policy on the board may differ...

Phil = :)


On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Tyler wrote:

> = Hello! I don't know if anyone has ever paid attention to this, but have = you seen how many people have gotten
> away with swear words on = this forum? I remember when we were having a thread about why
> = loopers-delight.com was so = out-of-date, but the forum part was as lively as heck. Someone used the =
> F word "Why does everything have to be so f***ing up-to-date?" = (I censored the word out so I
> don't have a bad track-record on = this mailing list). And I read the help file (the one that you see =
> when you send an invalid command to the subscription server), = and even THAT file had some (yet very mild)
> language toward the = end. Now, I've seen bad language in forums, and if I would have signed = up
> five years ago, I would be long gone by now; I'm less = sensitive. But this site is where
> musicians can communicate = with each other, and talk about electronic music technology, share =
> links, write articles about their technology ... but randomly = putting the F word in the middle of an
> article about Mobius? = I'm confused! In the days of Kim, would he get upset when someone used a =
> word like that?
> Tyler Z
>



=
=

= --Apple-Mail-2--16796315-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 02:46:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E18E818347A; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:46:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=THRPOoaW7pfKOYF5VIwHwDn1GFiGrZP6nGtH9qA3NHU=; b=SqIiijLDHZYlW9NCVUCL5r++WGi2yzi+TYUNga15toPo2CdbF0Z1vkAJy1EtaLqiEJ XyfRj1Kx3blSvKnSQGyvgBUkamL3zvyDEjtAIpYJaUySOqeG0AyjhJo69GmQmY1e/0+D G6wg2sCeA/R7slSFb8JFBOwe6NN5sJtElClNyf8bp8NcU2RDMZdbyHPt61QVBPhH0XML B760nWlPEdLL/BYbdl8WsfrN9u9cTQtfbm6NdsZUVBcyOsa32WWNvve2xawpaxd5+Itu m+1v6tgc04HelZWMj4MV0NrFwDjwbl7u1bfbUy1pkN0NP5Zq0p/p5vqQ3G4l20wqDpyK zMLA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20120820191624.2384.12966.levelstar.mail@everest> From: todd reynolds Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:45:58 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b86edf6afe49d04c7bda25d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:46:39 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b86edf6afe49d04c7bda25d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hear Hear, Mark. Your post made me realize how this convo is sort of disappointing me=85 some information might be helpful, however=85 from my friend, Jesse Sheidlower, who is the American editor for the Oxford English dictionary, came this book=85 http://www.amazon.com/The-F-Word-Jesse-Sheidlower/dp/0195393112 free speech, y'all. It's being eroded all the time. Kim's spirit indeed lives on in the self-policing nature of the list, no matter what this or that might feel inappropriate to any one of us. For that I'm thankful. Cheers, all. Todd On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 7:49 PM, mark francombe wr= ote: > Hey Tyler, > It could be that I am one of the worse offenders on this list! I swear an= d > curse by nature, but hopefully not as a lazy excuse for poor > vocabulary. > I was brought up in a rough and dangerous city, and I guess the language > of the streets just stuck. > No word offends me like some political views or business practices offend > me, a word is simply a word. However words have power, and it's important > not to abuse that power, all over used words lose their power in a way, a= nd > thats a shame. > I remember a New Yorker friend of mine once saying that the f word was so > overused that New Yorkers would use it to greet each other as in... > > STREET DUDE (on seeing a long lost friend) > "Hey Fuck you!" > STREET DUDES FRIEND > "Hey fuck you dude" > > Hence a much more flowery and eloquent form of insult had emerged to make > up for the fact that the usual words had now lost its power.. as in... > > 1) Hug my nuts you stinking sack of shit > 2) Love my butt hair > > The other thing to bare in mind is that these words have a long and > illustrious history, Shakespeare used the f word, Chaucer used the c word= . > And every country has different ones. Fuck for example is not a rude word > at all here in Norway, as its a foreign word. And when a film came out he= re > a few years ago entitled "Fucking =C5mal" an English friend stopped in ho= rror > and pointed " you cant write that down the side of a bus!" > > As for the use of profanity on this list, I generally think that, age is > not relevant, no one is 9 years old here... and even if we are not, we > should all behave as adults. That means we should not really be shocked b= y > the words that other people from other backgrounds and cultures use, but > should also not deliberately offend. > > If I have offended you (really) by use of the f word or some other than I > really truthfully apologize, as it would not be my intention ever to do s= o, > however, I do not (as others profess to do) act or write any differently > here than I do in any other situation, except perhaps when I am with my > elderly relatives, my customers, or other peoples young children. (I'm > abashed to say that my own son has heard all manner of filth from these > lips. > > Its a very interesting point you bring up Tyler, as always, and IMNSHO > totally ON TOPIC, because, although the primary reason we are all here is > looping the secondary reason is community, and this community spans > different countries, cultures, religions and as such is what makes it so > fascinating. > > To close I would like to present a wonderful video by a renown Norwegian > video artist about the most significant Norwegian swear word. If you want > to learn a little of this endangered language, this is good place to star= t. > Don't worry, its in English. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DAkJf0md1kG8 > > Mark > > > > > > --047d7b86edf6afe49d04c7bda25d Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hear Hear, Mark. =A0Your post made me realize how this convo is sort of dis= appointing me=85=A0

some information might be helpful, h= owever=85=A0

from my friend, Jesse Sheidlower, who= is the American editor for=A0the Oxford English dictionary, came this book= =85=A0


free speech, y'all. =A0It's = being eroded all the time. =A0Kim's spirit indeed lives on in the self-= policing nature of the list, no matter what this or that might feel inappro= priate to any one of us. =A0For that I'm thankful.=A0

Cheers, all.=A0

Todd

=A0

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 = at 7:49 PM, mark francombe <markfrancombe@gmail.com> w= rote:
Hey Tyler,
It could be that I am one of the worse offenders on this list! I swear and = curse by nature, but hopefully not as a lazy excuse for poor
vocabulary.
I was brought up in a rough and dangerous city, and I guess the language of= the streets just stuck.
No word offends me like some political views or business practices offend m= e, a word is simply a word. However words have power, and it's importan= t not to abuse that power, all over used words lose their power in a way, a= nd thats a shame.
I remember a New Yorker friend of mine once saying that the f word was so o= verused that New Yorkers would use it to greet each other as in...

S= TREET DUDE (on seeing a long lost friend)
"Hey Fuck you!"
STREET DUDES FRIEND
"Hey fuck you dude"

Hence a much mo= re flowery and eloquent form of insult had emerged to make up for the fact = that the usual words had now lost its power.. as=A0 in...

1) Hug my = nuts you stinking sack of shit
2) Love my butt hair

The other thing to bare in mind is that these w= ords have a long and illustrious history, Shakespeare used the f word, Chau= cer used the c word. And every country has different ones. Fuck for example= is not a rude word at all here in Norway, as its a foreign word. And when = a film came out here a few years ago entitled "Fucking =C5mal" an= English friend stopped in horror and pointed " you cant write that do= wn the side of a bus!"

As for the use of profanity on this list, I generally think that, age i= s not relevant, no one is 9 years old here... and even if we are not, we sh= ould all behave as adults. That means we should not really be shocked by th= e words that other people from other backgrounds and cultures use, but shou= ld also not deliberately offend.

If I have offended you (really) by use of the f word or some other than= I really truthfully apologize, as it would not be my intention ever to do = so, however, I do not (as others profess to do) act or write any differentl= y here than I do in any other situation, except perhaps when I am with my e= lderly relatives, my customers, or other peoples young children. (I'm a= bashed to say that my own son has heard all manner of filth from these lips= .

Its a very interesting point you bring up Tyler, as always, and IMNSHO = totally ON TOPIC, because, although the primary reason we are all here is l= ooping the secondary reason is community, and this community spans differen= t countries, cultures, religions and as such is what makes it so fascinatin= g.

To close I would like to present a wonderful video by a renown Norwegia= n video artist about the most significant Norwegian swear word. If you want= to learn a little of this endangered language, this is good place to start= . Don't worry, its in English.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DAkJf0md1kG8

Mark





=
--047d7b86edf6afe49d04c7bda25d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 02:55:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCEAA18347D; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:55:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <269D738C-F59E-43C4-A09F-6FD777382410@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20120821024640.56303183482@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-11--9166315 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:55:37 -0700 References: <20120821024640.56303183482@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:55:44 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-11--9166315 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I love you man!!!!! >> 1) Hug my nuts you stinking sack of shit >> 2) Love my butt hair > --Apple-Mail-11--9166315 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I love you man!!!!!


1) Hug my nuts you stinking sack of shit
2) Love my butt hair

--Apple-Mail-11--9166315-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 02:57:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C68F9183479; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:57:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <821A37E3-0B8D-472C-B462-31A0A3B2A668@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Heard live-looper Shannon Haydn in Indy Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:57:42 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:57:48 +0000 (UTC) > I just pseudo-randomly picked a video that demonstrates her playing > in an informal, club setting. There is another video of one of her > student recitals at Yale where she plays one of her own works for > electronically processed/looped 'cello. Yale grad? well that figures, These young brainiac cello chix are going to rule the world i tell you, and its about time, considering how badly the aging white dudes have messed things up. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 04:04:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB51C183479; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 04:04:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <20120820191624.2384.12966.levelstar.mail@everest> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--5045382 Message-Id: <9DF34B3F-CA57-4C3F-AAB8-F273950371E6@ubergadget.com> From: Revfever Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (F-Word book thanx / Free Speech) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:04:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host5.webserveralpha.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ubergadget.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 04:04:22 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6--5045382 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Aug 20, 2012, at 7:45 PM, todd reynolds wrote: > some information might be helpful, however=85 > from my friend, Jesse Sheidlower, who is the American editor for =20 > the Oxford English dictionary, came this book=85 > http://www.amazon.com/The-F-Word-Jesse-Sheidlower/dp/0195393112 > Thanx for the tip! Looks great! There's a bunch of used copies for =20 CHEAP currently on Amazon! I just ordered one for *only $2.02* plus =20 shipping. Total: $6.01! CHEAP! (Just like ME, sometimes! :-) ) > free speech, y'all. It's being eroded all the time. Yup! And as for the term "ya'll", even it's use has now recently =20 been attacked by a very well known Rethug clown (and ex-Senator =20 loser) as being "divisive", (something that he and the Rethugs are VERY experienced at in =20 doing!) for supposedly being used by either the Prez or the VP of =20 the USA. (Or both? Who cares?) Such a ridiculous accusation doesn't get much more pathetic than =20 that. But, from whom it comes from also tells the whole story... Ya just gotta often wonder about the Rethuglicans and their very =20 questionable new kissin' cousins, the Teahaddists. Spawned from some =20 bad gene pool, perhaps? That's all that I've gotta, or really wanna say about it. Not really =20 wanting to encourage a new thread here. I was just sayin'... Freedom of speech is one the most cherished treasures ever, if not =20 THE most precious. Protect and defend it forever... PS Dept- "There ought to be limits to freedom". GW Bush, 1999 http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_W._Bush#1999 Cheers- Rev.Fever Portlandia http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult --Apple-Mail-6--5045382 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252
On Aug 20, 2012, at = 7:45 PM, todd reynolds wrote:

some = information might be helpful, however=85 
from my friend, = Jesse Sheidlower, who is the American editor for the Oxford English = dictionary, came this book=85 


Thanx= for the tip!  Looks great!  There's a bunch of used copies = for CHEAP currently on Amazon!  I just ordered one for *only $2.02* = plus shipping. Total: $6.01!  
CHEAP!   (Just like = ME, sometimes! :-) )

free speech, y'all.  It's being eroded all the = time.  

Yup!  And as for the = term "ya'll", even it's use has now recently been attacked by a very = well known Rethug clown (and ex-Senator loser) as being = "divisive", 
(something that he and the Rethugs are VERY = experienced at in doing!)  for supposedly being used by either the = Prez or the VP of the USA. (Or both? Who cares?) 
Such a = ridiculous accusation doesn't get much more pathetic than that. =  But, from whom it comes from also tells the whole = story...

Ya just gotta often wonder about the = Rethuglicans and their very questionable new kissin' cousins, the = Teahaddists. Spawned from some bad gene pool, perhaps?
That's = all that I've gotta, or really wanna say about it. Not really = wanting to encourage a new thread here. I was just = sayin'...

Freedom of speech is one the most = cherished treasures ever, if not THE most precious.   Protect and = defend it forever...

PS Dept-
"There ought to = be limits to freedom". GW Bush, 1999

<= div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Cheers-
Portlandia


= --Apple-Mail-6--5045382-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 04:18:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40E9118347D; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 04:18:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Subject: Re: "Watching the Detectives" From: Ed Durbrow In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:08:18 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <88F02593-CDB2-4CFC-9509-BE4F86CEC8CF@sea.plala.or.jp> References: <20120820191624.2384.12966.levelstar.mail@everest> <23844623-3A90-43AF-BE5A-C625A34AD720@gmail.com> <1345491087.24915.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa02b; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:18:51 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 04:18:54 +0000 (UTC) I enjoyed that. On Aug 21, 2012, at 5:25 AM, David Gans wrote: >=20 >=20 > Here's a performance of Elvis Costello's "Watching the Detectives." = I'm playing guitar and singing, with the aid of my Boss RC-20XL, and Tim = Carbone of Railroad Earth is playing fiddle. >=20 > http://www.dgans.com/audio/120805_detectives_carbone.mp3 >=20 >=20 Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=3Dwatch http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 04:35:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7D5A18347B; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 04:35:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=2h02Ja6iSoYi0B4gC9qnSebNeYCarN/GtUqyqbYQtNQ=; b=Kxw/szVhxl3b4moWghKpy7LTOiL91zo9Zv/zh/cNSu/lqh3TRI4XlG2v8Dg9YxPqw6 B/1evGwu3tMrqNAgfVnMMyyAJJWnyXP3tN2VohMyQufx2NKQBucPX206MMuq71jWmvRD N43bzH2Ikf13z3jmM+grHheYr8gF67rNTjq9UidJLHhJE1z+S9544ushcN3cc52Z489T fWmzz0pn+ZwOPQNi6jZZJack60xUtaJxpr9by9ILuinmsPhE7+2Z0+AO+AVTZXkKs0s+ zh3fN+Vq9gP5+zwa4SGmXciCDbxpw3Wj6TkF9psAzhcrpHnW03MN0GTvF/8I0h4tWvAT /jqQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9DF34B3F-CA57-4C3F-AAB8-F273950371E6@ubergadget.com> References: <20120820191624.2384.12966.levelstar.mail@everest> <9DF34B3F-CA57-4C3F-AAB8-F273950371E6@ubergadget.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:35:17 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (F-Word book thanx / Free Speech) From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0408da0735be4304c7bf2791 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 04:35:18 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0408da0735be4304c7bf2791 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And my all time favorite take on the issue http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DCCcCzj_yRtk Jeff On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Revfever wrote: > On Aug 20, 2012, at 7:45 PM, todd reynolds wrote: > > some information might be helpful, however=85 > from my friend, Jesse Sheidlower, who is the American editor for the > Oxford English dictionary, came this book=85 > http://www.amazon.com/The-F-Word-Jesse-Sheidlower/dp/0195393112 > > > > Thanx for the tip! Looks great! There's a bunch of used copies for CHEA= P > currently on Amazon! I just ordered one for *only $2.02* plus shipping. > Total: $6.01! > CHEAP! (Just like ME, sometimes! :-) ) > > free speech, y'all. It's being eroded all the time. > > > Yup! And as for the term "ya'll", even it's use has now recently been > attacked by a very well known Rethug clown (and ex-Senator loser) as bein= g > "divisive", > (something that he and the Rethugs are VERY experienced at in doing!) fo= r > supposedly being used by either the Prez or the VP of the USA. (Or both? > Who cares?) > Such a ridiculous accusation doesn't get much more pathetic than that. > But, from whom it comes from also tells the whole story... > > Ya just gotta often wonder about the Rethuglicans and their very > questionable new kissin' cousins, the Teahaddists. Spawned from some bad > gene pool, perhaps? > That's all that I've gotta, or really wanna say about it. Not really > wanting to encourage a new thread here. I was just sayin'... > > Freedom of speech is one the most cherished treasures ever, if not THE > most precious. Protect and defend it forever... > > PS Dept- > "There ought to be limits to freedom". GW Bush, 1999 > > http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_W._Bush#1999 > > Cheers- > Rev.Fever > Portlandia > http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1 > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2 > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult > > > --f46d0408da0735be4304c7bf2791 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And my all time favorite take on the issue http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DCCcCzj_yRtk
Jeff

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:04 = AM, Revfever <revfever@ubergadget.com> wrote:
On Aug 20, 2012, at 7:45 PM, todd reynolds wrote:

some information might be helpful, however=85=A0
from my fri= end, Jesse Sheidlower, who is the American editor for=A0the Oxford English = dictionary, came this book=85=A0


Thanx for the tip! =A0Looks grea= t! =A0There's a bunch of used copies for CHEAP currently on Amazon! =A0= I just ordered one for *only $2.02* plus shipping. Total: $6.01! =A0
CHEAP! =A0 (Just like ME, sometimes! :-) )

free speech, y'all. =A0It's being eroded al= l the time. =A0

Yup! =A0And as for the ter= m "ya'll", even it's use has now recently been attacked b= y a very well known Rethug clown (and ex-Senator loser) as being "divi= sive",=A0
(something that he and the Rethugs are VERY experienced at in doing!) = =A0for supposedly being used by either the Prez or the VP of the USA. (Or b= oth? Who cares?)=A0
Such a ridiculous accusation doesn't get = much more pathetic than that. =A0But, from whom it comes from also tells th= e whole story...

Ya just gotta often wonder about the Rethuglicans and t= heir very questionable new kissin' cousins, the Teahaddists. Spawned fr= om some bad gene pool, perhaps?
That's all that I've gott= a, or really wanna say about it.=A0Not really wanting to encourage a new th= read here.=A0I was just sayin'...

Freedom of speech is one the most cherished treasures e= ver, if not THE most precious. =A0 Protect and defend it forever...

PS Dept-
"T= here ought to be limits to freedom". GW Bush, 1999

<= /blockquote>

--f46d0408da0735be4304c7bf2791-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 05:06:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E9DC183479; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 05:06:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 902 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 05:06:20 UTC X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.234.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:SN2PRD0410HT002.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-BigFish: PS-1(zz9371Ic85dhzz1202hzz8275bh8275dhc704dhz2fh2a8h668h839hd25hf0ah107ah) Received-SPF: pass (mail117-tx2: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.234.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.234.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=SN2PRD0410HT002.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (F-Word book thanx / Free Speech) Thread-Topic: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (F-Word book thanx / Free Speech) Thread-Index: AQHNf1Zgcn2rg68Xg0G9AoJj56XqE5djsV0t Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 04:51:14 +0000 Message-ID: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A7346940AC@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <20120820191624.2384.12966.levelstar.mail@everest> <9DF34B3F-CA57-4C3F-AAB8-F273950371E6@ubergadget.com>, In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [70.113.107.81] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A7346940ACSN2PRD0410MB360_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 05:06:21 +0000 (UTC) --_000_3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A7346940ACSN2PRD0410MB360_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And if you're a linguist: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expletive_infixation I remember reading the McCarthy paper in the 80's. Still have it somewhere= ... F Yeah! ________________________________ From: Jeff Duke [jeffloops@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 11:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (F-Word book thanx = / Free Speech) And my all time favorite take on the issue http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= =3DCCcCzj_yRtk Jeff --_000_3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A7346940ACSN2PRD0410MB360_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
And if you're a linguist:


I remember reading the McCarthy paper in the 80's.  Still have it= somewhere...

F Yeah!

From: Jeff Duke [jeffloops@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 11:35 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (F-Word book= thanx / Free Speech)

And my all time favorite take on the issue http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DCCcCzj_yRtk

Jeff

--_000_3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A7346940ACSN2PRD0410MB360_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 07:09:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A55918347A; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:09:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A7346940AC@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <20120820191624.2384.12966.levelstar.mail@everest> <9DF34B3F-CA57-4C3F-AAB8-F273950371E6@ubergadget.com>, <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A7346940AC@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-6034432 Message-Id: From: Revfever Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (Quote) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:08:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host5.webserveralpha.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ubergadget.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:09:03 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-6034432 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed For one more addition to the topic, I offer this quote that I heard long ago: "Profanity is the crutch of the inarticulate mother f*cker" - Unknown (snicker!) Cheers- Rev.Fever Portlandia http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult On Aug 20, 2012, at 9:51 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > And if you're a linguist: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expletive_infixation > > I remember reading the McCarthy paper in the 80's. Still have it > somewhere... > > F Yeah! > > From: Jeff Duke [jeffloops@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 11:35 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (F-Word > book thanx / Free Speech) > > And my all time favorite take on the issue http://www.youtube.com/ > watch?v=CCcCzj_yRtk > > Jeff > --Apple-Mail-1-6034432 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII For one more addition to the = topic, I offer this quote that I heard long = ago:

"Profanity is the crutch of the inarticulate = mother f*cker"
- = Unknown

(snicker!)

Cheers-
Portlandia
And if you're a linguist:


I = remember reading the McCarthy paper in the 80's.  Still have it = somewhere...

F Yeah!

From: Jeff Duke [jeffloops@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 20, = 2012 11:35 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
Subject: Re: Looper's Delight = offensive language policy (F-Word book thanx / Free = Speech)

And my all time favorite = take on the issue http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DCCcCzj_yRtk

= Jeff


= --Apple-Mail-1-6034432-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 11:04:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6F7918347B; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:04:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <20120820191624.2384.12966.levelstar.mail@everest> <23844623-3A90-43AF-BE5A-C625A34AD720@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <23844623-3A90-43AF-BE5A-C625A34AD720@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Message-Id: <0CB11D43-5E86-448E-AF77-A5D040460DAF@zzz.ch> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Z Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 18:04:28 +0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: <5i3_WD.A.o8H.Gt2MQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:04:38 +0000 (UTC) I've been here for a short time, but that's definitely the kind of philosoph= y that makes me happy to have joined. Cheers :) z Le 21 ao=C3=BBt 2012 =C3=A0 02:24, Phil Clevenger = a =C3=A9crit : > Tyler I'm not an old timer here but in my opinion there are no bad words, o= nly bad communication. I would tell my own son to make his own choices, comm= unicate effectively, and try not to worry about the choices of others :) >=20 > Policy on the board may differ... >=20 > Phil :) >=20 >=20 > On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Tyler wrote: >=20 >> Hello! I don't know if anyone has ever paid attention to this, but have y= ou seen how many people have gotten=20 >> away with swear words on this forum? I remember when we were having a thr= ead about why=20 >> loopers-delight.com was so out-of-date, but the forum part was as lively a= s heck. Someone used the=20 >> F word "Why does everything have to be so f***ing up-to-date?" (I censore= d the word out so I=20 >> don't have a bad track-record on this mailing list). And I read the help f= ile (the one that you see=20 >> when you send an invalid command to the subscription server), and even TH= AT file had some (yet very mild)=20 >> language toward the end. Now, I've seen bad language in forums, and if I w= ould have signed up=20 >> five years ago, I would be long gone by now; I'm less sensitive. But this= site is where=20 >> musicians can communicate with each other, and talk about electronic musi= c technology, share=20 >> links, write articles about their technology ... but randomly putting the= F word in the middle of an=20 >> article about Mobius? I'm confused! In the days of Kim, would he get upse= t when someone used a=20 >> word like that? >> Tyler Z >>=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 13:06:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 276BC18347B; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:06:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=trufun.com; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject; bh=pnErlemg6Xu9tiGWajiAuAItRifbZ8lXyPZ2vtAG1ro=; b=JccYsE96MTdeTSxDHBsibqifsF8vlBoB8T5/x+RKbAN2tYAqfrgIW9Wj9NX8f2RKKTMpBKb625MBAJPdcSLEPzlyVtPNGZwpj7ej1L1xsf0ojOg0h0mFdXO0QjJk7zNU; Subject: cello looping Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Gans In-Reply-To: <821A37E3-0B8D-472C-B462-31A0A3B2A668@baymoon.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:06:32 -0700 Cc: David Gans Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <81151730-F77E-49F3-A574-FD4ACC8777CA@trufun.com> References: <821A37E3-0B8D-472C-B462-31A0A3B2A668@baymoon.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:06:34 +0000 (UTC) My cousin, Stephen Katz, is also a cellist who loops. I've really been enjoying his latest, FLYING PIZZICATO: = http://stephenkatzmusic.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 14:11:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4154118347D; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 14:11:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=7fvuFBEDGYYEEclwz6XkC0zKFlEFOUcGqoOe5z0/Pr4=; b=xY+rFpHka5ZDNQ7xIBSUR9tnY1qBAHxCSVYu/oxfk7Tdu9E6Pk11SANfMxeGikA+th EFK68ltCSjKhR7pC59WkIdFoYTlMJ6PvuwdXzZ9t2ki3A87ao3hJ2e3dsgnGrHiqyuJA 0AKYL1UPK/9onYY9AcbucQXLQ+2vCzT5WoqU9F8kjFVccjeujbTI/9mY2hSvYfJgBrUF /kwRpZHw0y6lNQ0r0OJ9IeAML5CVgOh673lrJzXXCL4cDoZjWUcpRIqwsbtu9Z689FSF e8Wssd+EAR9gR0foA9y1gXRjJh4JN1vma1c/wWA/c+lywyWVFkLKbXmmvfHHNToMGqfT t9Gw== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not) From: philip In-Reply-To: <0CB11D43-5E86-448E-AF77-A5D040460DAF@zzz.ch> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 23:10:20 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7C362EC8-D2ED-418A-891F-DBE686B6AA6E@gmail.com> References: <20120820191624.2384.12966.levelstar.mail@everest> <23844623-3A90-43AF-BE5A-C625A34AD720@gmail.com> <0CB11D43-5E86-448E-AF77-A5D040460DAF@zzz.ch> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 14:11:05 +0000 (UTC) This forum is very open to a wide field of approaches to music. I don't = see why that accepting spirit should draw the line at diction.=20 If a member finds certain words offensive, I suggest that they set up = their mail preferences to block any messages containing naughty words. = They shouldn't let their squeamishness interfere with our experience.=20= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 14:26:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBE1518347B; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 14:26:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=trufun.com; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject; bh=5j9sYIBXddGVKIP0oF+IEjFGhWUWmItOyz53ksEZClQ=; b=g/jLlGpbTItACn7seJjm8apQN4rsTOabbOMMsTQpxW4puyCCO4Bl/hgHQsIdoArP4nOaziWm4iwnCcYHgIwnurE2Gbrha+eUB9wN/58NzzdZGNTx+mXzpG60vQsZvAQg; Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Gans In-Reply-To: <7C362EC8-D2ED-418A-891F-DBE686B6AA6E@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:26:16 -0700 Cc: David Gans Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20120820191624.2384.12966.levelstar.mail@everest> <23844623-3A90-43AF-BE5A-C625A34AD720@gmail.com> <0CB11D43-5E86-448E-AF77-A5D040460DAF@zzz.ch> <7C362EC8-D2ED-418A-891F-DBE686B6AA6E@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <-NSAsC.A.VxB.Kq5MQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 14:26:18 +0000 (UTC) I agree. On Aug 21, 2012, at 7:10 AM, philip wrote: >=20 > If a member finds certain words offensive, I suggest that they set up = their mail preferences to block any messages containing naughty words. = They shouldn't let their squeamishness interfere with our experience.=20 David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 14:29:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AB9D18347D; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 14:29:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0087678688==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120821142943.10259.42328.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:29:43 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not) Resent-Message-ID: <66l7AD.A.i5B.jt5MQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 14:29:55 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0087678688== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good=20point,=20guys! Tyler=20Z On=20Tue,=2021=20Aug=202012=2007:26:16=20-0700,=20David=20Gans=20wrote: > >I=20agree. > > > >On=20Aug=2021,=202012,=20at=207:10=20AM,=20philip=20wrote: > >> >>If=20a=20member=20finds=20certain=20words=20offensive,=20I=20suggest=20th= at=20they=20set=20up=20their=20 >>mail=20preferences=20to=20block=20any=20messages=20containing=20naughty= =20words.=20They=20shouldn't=20 >>let=20their=20squeamishness=20interfere=20with=20our=20experience.=20 > >David=20Gans=20-=20david@trufun.com=20or=20david@gdhour.com >Truth=20and=20Fun,=20Inc.,=20484=20Lake=20Park=20Ave.=20#102,=20Oakland=20= CA=2094610-2730 >Blog:=20=20http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com >Web=20site:=20http://www.dgans.com >Photos:=20http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans >Music:=20http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans > > > --===============0087678688==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 16:23:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42A89183465; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 795207.45072.bm@omp1016.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1345566209; bh=IlsGs1YUo4+pzakOn8MahYtlB67xZbH6XQ2Vc6iRkSY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YjDK14Z9UQ/QWHQreqv33+g+Ne/HmSfosrSlJKZ562hAuMcAFdhxsm1jamTZgh6x0VJ0K6GaHQ+PiuqVGJe6XIf6FLBC9PJNnsmug4y6wOZVqeF63yxWHZP25yaACXTFhPBCyUndAsPF7xdr2VungviACi4gym/ZMdqg++vnt3Q= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CYE+M9ZOmYC3ebRirXWPNvYtjlYU/9esXM67vQ3AWlHIw4Mmv05G9Lgi0V9MXhKeY7QkW4ydGuYebfpVrRQL7KjTIHnlz9UAagNpORqiUGBER2fg0urmNqZWrGqzOFGDwfJgHlEOqwULH5eSRyz3JAp8tfk3Xp4VVs82Y7yDEY8=; X-YMail-OSG: 0zWLnOoVM1ky_MmeyBO8ug6mldLO0WDeQcYhRoK1OIdMn6Q KdJKhLbxdEp3sYhOseU3MMQeGo4GcevpSxeEtHTwNETnbDLpeiOQyw7wWcyC CDq7IzU8V8I_.kS5z4SwUv.d9Cpu7OJM.O3hxQ1.TU9aPX78kQeAG72HfwZU qXBXhMwTdBgNv6NPmrbOFDPPmFFgg6dxosgL6PhaXOAX6Pf4W8bBKCGK4MER Trv967Y2eNRSkpkTN80OSmbYiy00.st2wk2yhS.haH6xQsAqhSj9w5OIXziO YcxGtst5FcnoZbzFMw4fSWe2O0TNBVH2pXQtm58RXtHOG6T43vMQVl8bi0PE QvyzMIE.6sYf7iRnIgb9xg5_c1nPkN4MSZywNjgf1aEfEX82fWVquGM0rLt4 8Vco11l224EEQkinr2dQLb5RByF2r.p_RRT.9B3IsstNPscdAXqqietbE_9e TNHCCD7lSzJ5nQBnbrs5E1zblfL7K0jnNdGO10ccI6q3QIxOY4SBU6OcfzJ_ SzVSB80IS1gmajqk9_1iI1nWHuTWLprywOEl3rATRVCtCO.vKErB9N_RAH6C Sh2E0Dh21wbkDULvs8OSrM99nMvkW5IP7UwisJFIps4eLR_AcikpfpIKvAYr wmNHTq3.EiL_Ox6n.IA8Ym5NSmKNWq.cqmWNM42R2h_BIuzNnqnKIxwynHxZ Zx8YCNXl3D298ggU7yJq9DAAckusSgeBdEmTARLt0iMGhmCTbnxGTvq_OBoW tWKqmFSeHjOL9hdad_3oXzVjFm6kCpEH5K.te00SJidQydwCNLO_cteSFwuj FZW8tndUcSYImgyh5LsoQc7SGg7UKDSKtgyxcKA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.121.416 References: <20120820191624.2384.12966.levelstar.mail@everest> Message-ID: <1345566209.35808.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:23:29 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not) To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-709188601-688788259-1345566209=:35808" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:23:30 +0000 (UTC) ---709188601-688788259-1345566209=:35808 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Darn it all, Go to heck and get intercoursed, you whelp of a female dog, Yo= u textile container, (or stack of ) fecal matter. You're so full of male bo= vine meadow-muffins, you are=A0the=A0copulating orofice from which it issue= s.=0ANow, wasn't that "PC" ( and I don't mean IBM, or its many clones, thos= e coital bits of excrement compared to=A0=A0=A0=A0 i-????s) ?=0ARig=0A=0A= =0A________________________________=0AFrom: mark francombe =0ATo: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Monday, August= 20, 2012 4:49 PM=0ASubject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy= (not)=0A=0A=0AHey Tyler,=0AIt could be that I am one of the worse offender= s on this list! I swear and curse by nature, but hopefully not as a lazy ex= cuse for poor=0Avocabulary.=0AI was brought up in a rough and dangerous cit= y, and I guess the language of the streets just stuck.=0ANo word offends me= like some political views or business practices offend me, a word is simpl= y a word. However words have power, and it's important not to abuse that po= wer, all over used words lose their power in a way, and thats a shame.=0AI = remember a New Yorker friend of mine once saying that the f word was so ove= rused that New Yorkers would use it to greet each other as in...=0A=0ASTREE= T DUDE (on seeing a long lost friend)=0A"Hey Fuck you!"=0ASTREET DUDES FRIE= ND=0A"Hey fuck you dude"=0A=0AHence a much more flowery and eloquent form o= f insult had emerged to make up for the fact that the usual words had now l= ost its power.. as=A0 in...=0A=0A1) Hug my nuts you stinking sack of shit= =0A2) Love my butt hair=0A=0AThe other thing to bare in mind is that these = words have a long and illustrious history, Shakespeare used the f word, Cha= ucer used the c word. And every country has different ones. Fuck for exampl= e is not a rude word at all here in Norway, as its a foreign word. And when= a film came out here a few years ago entitled "Fucking =C5mal" an English = friend stopped in horror and pointed " you cant write that down the side of= a bus!"=0A=0AAs for the use of profanity on this list, I generally think t= hat, age is not relevant, no one is 9 years old here... and even if we are = not, we should all behave as adults. That means we should not really be sho= cked by the words that other people from other backgrounds and cultures use= , but should also not deliberately offend.=0A=0AIf I have offended you (rea= lly) by use of the f word or some other than I really truthfully apologize,= as it would not be my intention ever to do so, however, I do not (as other= s profess to do) act or write any differently here than I do in any other s= ituation, except perhaps when I am with my elderly relatives, my customers,= or other peoples young children. (I'm abashed to say that my own son has h= eard all manner of filth from these lips.=0A=0AIts a very interesting point= you bring up Tyler, as always, and IMNSHO totally ON TOPIC, because, altho= ugh the primary reason we are all here is looping the secondary reason is c= ommunity, and this community spans different countries, cultures, religions= and as such is what makes it so fascinating.=0A=0ATo close I would like to= present a wonderful video by a renown Norwegian video artist about the mos= t significant Norwegian swear word. If you want to learn a little of this e= ndangered language, this is good place to start. Don't worry, its in Englis= h.=0A=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DAkJf0md1kG8=0A=0AMark=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0A=0AOn Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 9:16 PM, Tyler wrote:=0A=0AHello! I don't know if anyone has ever paid attention to th= is, but have you seen how many people have gotten=0A>away with swear words = on this forum? I remember when we were having a thread about why=0A>loopers= -delight.com was so out-of-date, but the forum part was as lively as heck. = Someone used the=0A>F word "Why does everything have to be so f***ing up-to= -date?" (I censored the word out so I=0A>don't have a bad track-record on t= his mailing list). And I read the help file (the one that you see=0A>when y= ou send an invalid command to the subscription server), and even THAT file = had some (yet very mild)=0A>language toward the end. Now, I've seen bad lan= guage in forums, and if I would have signed up=0A>five years ago, I would b= e long gone by now; I'm less sensitive. But this site is where=0A>musicians= can communicate with each other, and talk about electronic music technolog= y, share=0A>links, write articles about their technology ... but randomly p= utting the F word in the middle of an=0A>article about Mobius? I'm confused= ! In the days of Kim, would he get upset when someone used a=0A>word like t= hat?=0A>Tyler Z=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A-- =0Amark francombe=0Ahttp://www.markfranc= ombe.com/=0Ahttp://www.ordoabkhao.com/=0Atwitter @markfrancombe=0Ahttp://vi= meo.com/user825094=0Ahttp://www.looop.no/ ---709188601-688788259-1345566209=:35808 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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--e89a8ff1c71ec1b2df04c7e7c3b7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 05:06:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7982718347A; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 05:06:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0187609506==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120823050622.8188.11738.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 01:06:22 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: City Lights Music Festival and its comparison to a loop fest Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 05:06:32 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0187609506== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You=20said=20looping=20festivals=20were=20apples,=20and=20I=20sent=20you=20= an=20"orange=20link." Tyler=20Z On=20Wed,=2022=20Aug=202012=2022:02:22=20-0700,=20Matt=20Davignon=20wrote: >Are=20you=20responding=20to=20something=20someone=20else=20wrote?=20I=20di= dn't=20say=20that=20loopers=20 >delight=20is=20only=20for=20"live=20looping".=20 >Matt >On=20Wed,=20Aug=2022,=202012=20at=207:58=20PM,=20Tyler=20=20wrote: >Give=20me=20the=20page=20on=20loopers-delight.com=20(NOT=20a=20mailing=20l= ist=20archive;=20a=20page=20from >Tools,=20Tips=20and=20Tricks,=20etc.)=20that=20says=20"This=20site=20is=20= for=20live=20looping=20only!=20I=20 >repeat, >LIVE!"=20Where=20does=20it=20say=20that?=20The=20home=20page=20says=20the= =20opposite.=20I=20discovered=20 >this=20website=20when >Googling=20tape=20loops,=20and=20tape=20loops=20are=20usually=20prerecorde= d. >Tyler=20Z >On=20Wed,=2022=20Aug=202012=2015:44:10=20-0700,=20Matt=20Davignon=20wrote: >>Hmmm,=20I=20think=20we=20need=20to=20accept=20that=20some=20things=20are= =20different=20than=20other >>things,=20and=20that's=20ok.=20For=20example,=20if=20you=20see=20an=20app= le,=20and=20you=20really=20like >>oranges,=20you=20could=20tell=20the=20apple=20that=20it=20has=20seeds,=20= and=20a=20skin,=20and=20is=20the >>reproductive=20part=20of=20the=20plant,=20which=20makes=20it=20pretty=20m= uch=20the=20same=20thing=20as=20an >>orange.=20However,=20the=20apple=20has=20been=20an=20apple=20for=20a=20wh= ile,=20and=20understands >>apple-ness=20pretty=20well.=20However,=20nothing=20that=20the=20apple=20t= hinks=20should=20prevent >>you=20from=20enjoying=20oranges. >>In=20a=20way=20that=20"jungle=20music"=20wasn't=20necessarily=20made=20in= =20jungles,=20and >>experimental=20music=20isn't=20the=20result=20of=20people=20in=20lab=20co= ats=20following=20the >>scientific=20method,=20"Live=20Looping"=20for=20many=20people=20means=20a= =20very=20specific >>interaction=20between=20instrument=20and=20technology=20-=20where=20the= =20performer=20is=20both >>generating=20the=20instrumental=20sounds=20live=20and=20sampling=20them= =20live. >>Yes,=20a=20DJ=20can=20can=20create=20loops=20in=20real=20time,=20but=20mo= re=20often=20than=20not,=20the=20music >>itself=20was=20created=20by=20someone=20other=20than=20the=20DJ.=20In=20m= y=20experience,=20about=209=20out >>of=2010=20DJs=20are=20not=20composers=20or=20instrumentalists=20while=20t= hey=20are=20DJ'ing.=20They=20are >>playing=20other=20people's=20music,=20and=20making=20only=20tiny=20change= s=20to=20completed=20pieces >>of=20music=20to=20blend=20them=20together=20into=20a=20longer=20set.=20Th= e=20value=20of=20a=20DJ=20set=20is=20the >>value=20of=20a=20curator=20-=20the=20DJ=20goes=20out=20and=20finds=20good= =20music=20that=20you=20haven't >>heard=20yet=20and=20plays=20it.=20The=20DJs=20who=20compose=20are=20few= =20and=20far=20between=20-=20the=20ones >>who=20actually=20create=20original=20music=20are=20even=20fewer=20and=20m= ore=20far=20in=20between. >>(Those=20such=20as=20RJD2=20often=20get=20credit=20for=20composing=20some= thing=20when=20all=20they=20did >>was=20loop=20someone=20else's=20music=20and=20put=20a=20extra=20drum=20be= at=20on=20it.) >>Sorry=20-=20got=20off=20on=20a=20tangent=20there.=20In=20short,=20many=20= things=20that=20use=20loops=20are >>not=20"live=20looping".=20You=20can=20still=20like=20whatever=20you=20wan= t=20to=20like. >>-- >>Matt=20Davignon >>mattdavignon@gmail.com >>www.ribosomemusic.com >>Podcast!=20http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com >>On=20Sat,=20Aug=2018,=202012=20at=208:25=20AM,=20Tyler=20=20wrote: >>Hello,=20everybody!=20I=20know=20it's=20kind=20of=20too=20late,=20but=20I= =20want=20to=20post=20about=20the >>City=20Lights >>Music=20Festival=20for=20future=20reference.=20This=20year,=20it=20was=20= yesterday=20and=20today.=20I >>was=20there=20yesterday,=20and=20I >>have=20recordings.=20Remember=20when=20I=20said=20that=20a=20Grand=20Rapi= ds,=20Michigan=20loop=20fest >>would=20be=20amazing? >>Well,=20it's=20not=20really=20touted=20as=20a=20loop=20fest,=20but=20the= =20City=20Lights=20Music=20Festival >>(touted=20as=20an >>electronic=20music=20festival)=20has=20a=20lot=20of=20qualities=20that=20= a=20loop=20fest=20has.=20There's >>something=20many >>people=20don't=20realize;=20you=20say=20the=20biggest=20city=20in=20Michi= gan=20is=20Detroit,=20and >>that's=20right!=20But=20Grand >>Rapids=20is=20the=20SECOND=20biggest.=20It's=20a=20growing=20city,=20and= =20we=20hope=20more=20events=20can >>take=20place >>there;=20maybe=20a=20real=20loop=20fest!=20Who=20knows?=20But=20the=20Cit= y=20Lights=20Music=20Festival >>frequently >>made=20use=20of=20something=20that=20is=20very=20similar=20to=20live=20lo= oping.=20Most=20of=20the=20samples >>that=20the=20festival=20DJ'S >>used=20were=20prerecorded,=20but=20if=20the=20DJ'S=20just=20put=20on=20th= e=20music=20and=20left=20it=20alone, >>the=20sample=20would=20just >>play.=20But=20the=20DJ'S=20kept=20hitting=20repeat=20buttons=20on=20speci= fic=20parts=20of=20the >>samples,=20making=20it >>"live"=20looping,=20so=20to=20speak.=20I=20don't=20have=20my=20recording= =20of=20the=20CLMF=20online,=20but >>you=20can=20find=20out=20more=20about >>it=20here: >>http://www.citylightsmusicfestival.com >>Tyler=20Z >--=20 >Matt=20Davignon >mattdavignon@gmail.com >www.ribosomemusic.com >Podcast!=20http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com --===============0187609506==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 08:51:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C6F518348F; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 08:51:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=JTrORU5/lVoUro9q+abdEsoLCbIZdoaJ2ektXGtfU/g=; b=kjB5lOOLk+pRPL6/gRcWDw+VgZIkgDt6MLI1Hk7rZ4oM4Cr7IHohtTvo7YSizb/jHZ q9AIEXWGh2o9MHNAChkE9Pl9U0S0sOmQHRY6OWVY+5UmdQfHKhX4OpkR/VD4FvsD7fdR loe39iPL9hxJyEotuukE5QVAkP6Lqf/qltAHZm5rvfwZNpwqeehoI9j8XzFuToQeLxLT F80QfJrjOdIUCvdzZpDtQUhjDn8GRhnAuieG4VgpbMMHnmSk+rJD1XO1mZNVCBvDqWD5 F+86k9GolRfXMMkEpnux/qdt099s0YNhcEIsPSPEWW3u+luTi84FyZQWdCqeVg+9gMnJ YDzw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:50:40 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: j95XiUpGqwDvZ46gkP9R5FsoL1I Message-ID: Subject: Gig Spam - Sound of Mu - Oslo 20.30 GMT+1 To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b621e126ed7b804c7eaf5ee Resent-Message-ID: <_RNuFB.A.Y-G.17eNQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 08:51:02 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b621e126ed7b804c7eaf5ee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Quick reminder to any who happens to be in Oslo, (maybe none) that me and Jens Hesselberg will be playing at Sound of Mu in Markveien, tonight, at 20.30 GMT+1. The music will be the usual improvised live-looping with me on baritone guitar, loopers, beats and guitar synths, and Jens on drums, kaos pad, and funny little sound making thingys. To my international friends, there is a chance that I'll remember to stick my iPhone somewhere and stream the whole show via UStream. Take a look here a little before the appropriate time for your timezone: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/markfrancombe. (It might be that I forget or have too much to do - depending on gear operational fluidity or lack of) Please share on your choice of Social Media! -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b621e126ed7b804c7eaf5ee Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quick reminder to any who happens to be in Oslo, (maybe none) that me and J= ens Hesselberg will be playing at Sound of Mu in Markveien, tonight, at 20.= 30 GMT+1.

The music will be the usual improvised live-looping with= me on baritone guitar, loopers, beats and guitar synths, and Jens on drums= , kaos pad, and funny little sound making thingys.

To my international friends, there is a chance that I'll remember to= =20 stick my iPhone somewhere and stream the whole show via UStream. Take a=20 look here a little before the appropriate time for your timezone:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/markfrancombe.
(It might be that I forget or have too much to do - depending on gear opera= tional fluidity or lack of)

Please share on your choice of Social M= edia!


--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--047d7b621e126ed7b804c7eaf5ee-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 14:31:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 503C9183490; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Mv9Cy8NsQItTEAHnXr6fCNbI23lcrkmyMeqLv9HU3yU= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=PYKxNFTcxpIA:10 a=UncmS/Am0Fgh8c8TZh5eWA==:17 a=JAralIE_AAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=r0EhlaHKAAAA:8 a=i6ImEY3AAAAA:8 a=lOJOJ89jcwDHvMoQhHYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=UncmS/Am0Fgh8c8TZh5eWA==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Doctor T Birthday Concerts From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:31:00 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <206FBAF9-4462-49EA-8CB4-E9B6644C49A0@charter.net> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Emile, Sounds like a totally bitchen time Dr. T. :-) Us older folks must do this sort of thing from time to time. I'd love to come, but alas, cannot (I'm in Oregon ...and where the heck = is Lowell anyway?). However, I am glad to be made aware of your celebration. I had such a gathering for my 50th back in '03 and plan another for my = '60th next spring.=20 We've been referring to them as "Killian's Wakes." Have fun! I recognize a few names on you performer list. Say helo for me. Gosh...70 years...my my. And here I thought I was one of the oldest people here. You have me beat by over a decade. Best, Ted Killian On Aug 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: > Hi folks, >=20 > Help me celebrate my 70th birthday by attending one of my birthday = concerts! >=20 > I'm having one at Outpost 186 in Cambridge on Saturday, September 8, = from 7:30 until about 10:30, and one at 119 Gallery in Lowell on October = 6 from about 8:15 - 11:30 >=20 > I'll be doing video improvisations with lots of great musicians in = combinations new and old. The October show will also feature a video = collaboration with Greg Kowalski, where we will improvise projections on = the same screen in our distinct styles. >=20 > Musicians for the September show include (I'm sure I left some out ) > Michael Bierylo > Ken Field > Rick Scott > John Voigt > Kit Demos > Neil Leonard > Tom Plsek > Glynis Lomon > Forbes Graham > Michael Bloom > Jon Proudman > Tim Mungenast >=20 > Musicians for the October show include > Dave Bryant > Eric Rosenthal > Glynis Lomon > Kit Demos > Andrea Pensado > Walter Wright > Junko Fujiwara > Eric Crawley > Karen Langlie > and others TBA >=20 > If you are a musician who has performed with me and would like to = participate, I can add you to the October bill. > --=20 > My photography can be viewed at = http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ >=20 > My videos can be viewed at > http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld >=20 > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. > Video Producer Image Processing Specialist > Video for your HEAD! Boris FX > http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com >=20 > "My destination is always the same, but I work out a different route = to get there" -- Henri Matisse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 14:34:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CF72183490; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=MFeYIebF8fEf5yEqjo/KoIVZBqP1EfJZGs6FmIcQb0c=; b=M30g//MlU0F1sk00Cwpy2RtQu/SUjiigg0Z1JxNVgZZastC0bZbL+3eu1Iks80nKA0 bbOvKA4ZR5/UXN3xRYJ+PI4NbdPm84HehIOXq57LUMuKUN8Fx4qOabZeDYHocohrd9oa jgjIhXJ84S1Tpaf7VU9OH6+/YfXWcu1wK38QgqcUuvLeSUDF269281kRB8sx3AQCd3pL cOUDGQ4+lMhJIii6+oOUx5MjB+3I0DGFcRNAew3pvxVWrUjGZH9jVSaK+zxFDOZfycys HoVBykGmOJtpUjLHblmm1Kh87erbFwbWAhe3mnH9/5Kxd7k/3CR/Kg5rnftfypuGP3y2 6MEg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120823050622.8188.11738.levelstar.mail@everest> References: <20120823050622.8188.11738.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:34:22 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: City Lights Music Festival and its comparison to a loop fest From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae939974161a66804c7efc1ef Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:34:23 +0000 (UTC) --14dae939974161a66804c7efc1ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ah yes - I was referring to your claim that DJ's triggering live samples was "live looping". Technically, literally, it may be, but when people on this list refer to "live looping", that's not what they're talking about. And the important thing - it's still ok to like the live triggering of samples. Lots of us do. Matt On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:06 PM, Tyler wrote: > You said looping festivals were apples, and I sent you an "orange link." > Tyler Z > On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:02:22 -0700, Matt Davignon wrote: > > > > >Are you responding to something someone else wrote? I didn't say that > loopers > >delight is only for "live looping". > >Matt > >On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Tyler wrote: > >Give me the page on loopers-delight.com (NOT a mailing list archive; a > page from > >Tools, Tips and Tricks, etc.) that says "This site is for live looping > only! I > >repeat, > >LIVE!" Where does it say that? The home page says the opposite. I > discovered > >this website when > >Googling tape loops, and tape loops are usually prerecorded. > >Tyler Z > >On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:44:10 -0700, Matt Davignon wrote: > >>Hmmm, I think we need to accept that some things are different than other > >>things, and that's ok. For example, if you see an apple, and you really > like > >>oranges, you could tell the apple that it has seeds, and a skin, and is > the > >>reproductive part of the plant, which makes it pretty much the same > thing as an > >>orange. However, the apple has been an apple for a while, and understands > >>apple-ness pretty well. However, nothing that the apple thinks should > prevent > >>you from enjoying oranges. > >>In a way that "jungle music" wasn't necessarily made in jungles, and > >>experimental music isn't the result of people in lab coats following the > >>scientific method, "Live Looping" for many people means a very specific > >>interaction between instrument and technology - where the performer is > both > >>generating the instrumental sounds live and sampling them live. > >>Yes, a DJ can can create loops in real time, but more often than not, > the music > >>itself was created by someone other than the DJ. In my experience, about > 9 out > >>of 10 DJs are not composers or instrumentalists while they are DJ'ing. > They are > >>playing other people's music, and making only tiny changes to completed > pieces > >>of music to blend them together into a longer set. The value of a DJ set > is the > >>value of a curator - the DJ goes out and finds good music that you > haven't > >>heard yet and plays it. The DJs who compose are few and far between - > the ones > >>who actually create original music are even fewer and more far in > between. > >>(Those such as RJD2 often get credit for composing something when all > they did > >>was loop someone else's music and put a extra drum beat on it.) > >>Sorry - got off on a tangent there. In short, many things that use loops > are > >>not "live looping". You can still like whatever you want to like. > >>-- > >>Matt Davignon > >>mattdavignon@gmail.com > >>www.ribosomemusic.com > >>Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > >>On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Tyler > wrote: > >>Hello, everybody! I know it's kind of too late, but I want to post about > the > >>City Lights > >>Music Festival for future reference. This year, it was yesterday and > today. I > >>was there yesterday, and I > >>have recordings. Remember when I said that a Grand Rapids, Michigan loop > fest > >>would be amazing? > >>Well, it's not really touted as a loop fest, but the City Lights Music > Festival > >>(touted as an > >>electronic music festival) has a lot of qualities that a loop fest has. > There's > >>something many > >>people don't realize; you say the biggest city in Michigan is Detroit, > and > >>that's right! But Grand > >>Rapids is the SECOND biggest. It's a growing city, and we hope more > events can > >>take place > >>there; maybe a real loop fest! Who knows? But the City Lights Music > Festival > >>frequently > >>made use of something that is very similar to live looping. Most of the > samples > >>that the festival DJ'S > >>used were prerecorded, but if the DJ'S just put on the music and left it > alone, > >>the sample would just > >>play. But the DJ'S kept hitting repeat buttons on specific parts of the > >>samples, making it > >>"live" looping, so to speak. I don't have my recording of the CLMF > online, but > >>you can find out more about > >>it here: > >>http://www.citylightsmusicfestival.com > >>Tyler Z > >-- > >Matt Davignon > >mattdavignon@gmail.com > >www.ribosomemusic.com > >Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > > -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com --14dae939974161a66804c7efc1ef Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah yes - I was referring to your claim that DJ's triggering live sample= s was "live looping". Technically, literally, it may be, but when= people on this list refer to "live looping", that's not what= they're talking about. And the important thing - it's still ok to = like the live triggering of samples. Lots of us do.

Matt

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:06 PM= , Tyler <programmer651@comcast.net> wrote:
You said looping festivals were apples, and I sent you an "orange link= ."
Tyler Z
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:02:22 -0700,= Matt Davignon wrote:



>Are you responding to something someone else wrote? I didn't say th= at loopers
>delight is only for "live looping".
>Matt
>On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Tyler <programmer651@comcast.net> wrote:
>Give me the page on loopers-delight.com (NOT a mailing list archive; a page from
>Tools, Tips and Tricks, etc.) that says "This site is for live loo= ping only! I
>repeat,
>LIVE!" Where does it say that? The home page says the opposite. I = discovered
>this website when
>Googling tape loops, and tape loops are usually prerecorded.
>Tyler Z
>On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:44:10 -0700, Matt Davignon wrote:
>>Hmmm, I think we need to accept that some things are different than= other
>>things, and that's ok. For example, if you see an apple, and yo= u really like
>>oranges, you could tell the apple that it has seeds, and a skin, an= d is the
>>reproductive part of the plant, which makes it pretty much the same= thing as an
>>orange. However, the apple has been an apple for a while, and under= stands
>>apple-ness pretty well. However, nothing that the apple thinks shou= ld prevent
>>you from enjoying oranges.
>>In a way that "jungle music" wasn't necessarily made = in jungles, and
>>experimental music isn't the result of people in lab coats foll= owing the
>>scientific method, "Live Looping" for many people means a= very specific
>>interaction between instrument and technology - where the performer= is both
>>generating the instrumental sounds live and sampling them live.
>>Yes, a DJ can can create loops in real time, but more often than no= t, the music
>>itself was created by someone other than the DJ. In my experience, = about 9 out
>>of 10 DJs are not composers or instrumentalists while they are DJ&#= 39;ing. They are
>>playing other people's music, and making only tiny changes to c= ompleted pieces
>>of music to blend them together into a longer set. The value of a D= J set is the
>>value of a curator - the DJ goes out and finds good music that you = haven't
>>heard yet and plays it. The DJs who compose are few and far between= - the ones
>>who actually create original music are even fewer and more far in b= etween.
>>(Those such as RJD2 often get credit for composing something when a= ll they did
>>was loop someone else's music and put a extra drum beat on it.)=
>>Sorry - got off on a tangent there. In short, many things that use = loops are
>>not "live looping". You can still like whatever you want = to like.
>>--
>>Matt Davignon
>>mattdavignon@gmail.com
>>www.ribo= somemusic.com
>>Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
>>On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Tyler <programmer651@comcast.net> wrote:
>>Hello, everybody! I know it's kind of too late, but I want to p= ost about the
>>City Lights
>>Music Festival for future reference. This year, it was yesterday an= d today. I
>>was there yesterday, and I
>>have recordings. Remember when I said that a Grand Rapids, Michigan= loop fest
>>would be amazing?
>>Well, it's not really touted as a loop fest, but the City Light= s Music Festival
>>(touted as an
>>electronic music festival) has a lot of qualities that a loop fest = has. There's
>>something many
>>people don't realize; you say the biggest city in Michigan is D= etroit, and
>>that's right! But Grand
>>Rapids is the SECOND biggest. It's a growing city, and we hope = more events can
>>take place
>>there; maybe a real loop fest! Who knows? But the City Lights Music= Festival
>>frequently
>>made use of something that is very similar to live looping. Most of= the samples
>>that the festival DJ'S
>>used were prerecorded, but if the DJ'S just put on the music an= d left it alone,
>>the sample would just
>>play. But the DJ'S kept hitting repeat buttons on specific part= s of the
>>samples, making it
>>"live" looping, so to speak. I don't have my recordin= g of the CLMF online, but
>>you can find out more about
>>it here:
>>http://www.citylightsmusicfestival.com
>>Tyler Z
>--
>Matt Davignon
>mattdavignon@gmail.com >www.ribosome= music.com
>Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com




--
Matt Davign= on
mattdavig= non@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
Podcast! ht= tp://ribosomematt.podomatic.com

--14dae939974161a66804c7efc1ef-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 14:53:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F6ED18348F; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:53:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 803679.10899.bm@omp1027.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1345733599; bh=7NEOBcR/MrFpmoLBBWQAKwLdpOk21/Lli9VkQK9rdvw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=aojsUHkhulfBh2IouXmFZq9Oyuuca9fzYAwPR7qcMm1uOOu812iFJ6Csjsxw+i/d9+jWmsDSGWEqn96m9O3Nh4lGgT+yAW/o4klBksMBAlJO3brYc2t1MH0/ZHU4eJrqYCfWmPrjvSV67Pd50+BTv9y7FFQAz+TJ004kxCjJzeI= X-YMail-OSG: 24QCbC0VM1mTK7qZAh5XqcY4sR.2ulUC8mgn0ELUjNqja0J CCOAACyLWcWax63xcXDNODJXUN.7O24EbsQXc7.YclyH.8USTk_O9ffEdK9y hFgaM9BF_h7NPjMgbMGhFSpJRDemXVANY35tCVNqpPSkKv8wJYNpaVwZqDti Ti7eKcW0YNly6hykXnN40K7XCsn_PkeLuJLv4kCY9vjgRyyodDPAQFrvwRp9 qNxTkveORb.L4hl3ZFkIyNCh3cMWeeLSnCvsorjPOvl9wk5.BzhouL_6e1Yn 2g8qC4rEwSuZUvueWjvITqkwuKSb6z_e3uPfSIhC1yUgxnn4Yf3E.rggirYj _MQGFfrakkuUjeqYkIFUORVlax0z1EokmGy11B8FWewcJxerU0K1ubHBbEO3 _Vr2hm0qXbdTFB1XEKrn8kVcjr2.i6mwQ26lHdSaebHqBE3R27ZwhAGYin2n C3ILakxDdW5eV7bh4QeCzEC3XuZu6ans.51a_PMvENWmeZGS.4vb7qbctGEc tiTOAhN2s7PNXc6SZdzDFuxtj1jMzgzAkmKZpVNtT3r8tsZM3aL31fwqsrTU uJg4sN7rqUrxQ.MSlj_JNmgYU6MVn._Bf.xPUf4yKBP6DKa5V2g1J9_YIJLM VoePXVdIwmGQUZmIeKaP.Pl0RJkYZRgCi.kI3UM431gG8eyzvQeCk691iuFR L2Pg71rmAi4A6k1c1DW0AyUY6OAw7YbgutQNjeWA3Pdvg1tPQnN3iUyIdeJE IvX8SkQvSUTImMhIOoBzD20jF8jSQsq0dG.BUMKBqFhLawAWShd9Ec0UTDVl uqqPWE0KTSMVDDliOk9MdHPdMcHYecNrfpu0cZXCcXhKAfjMly7EyNS2_8kB T3y2gFlMSLCbI8oJmMliiCBC0A_J1Bb3.PxSldYfbhK6q98rAtQJWc2OJWrC 8H08g7VG6omBQCxCV X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.121.416 Message-ID: <1345733599.87554.YahooMailClassic@web84519.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:53:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: Doctor T Birthday Concerts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <206FBAF9-4462-49EA-8CB4-E9B6644C49A0@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:53:21 +0000 (UTC) =0ATed, you are a true badass. I'm sure I speak for the Boston contingent w= hen I say it would be great if somehow you could teleport your bad self to = this shindig. Will you be playing the loopyfest? I am nervous about sharing= the bill with some of the scariest motherfraggers on the planet. =0A=0ATim= Mungenast=0AEditor/Writer/Proofreader: www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast=0A= Guitarist/Composer/Vocalist: www.reverbnation.com/timmungenast=0A=0A=0A--- = On Thu, 8/23/12, Ted Killian wrote:=0A=0A> From: T= ed Killian =0A> Subject: Re: Doctor T Birthday Conc= erts=0A> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> Date: Thursday, August= 23, 2012, 10:31 AM=0A> Emile,=0A> =0A> Sounds like a totally bitchen time = Dr. T. :-)=0A> =0A> Us older folks must do this sort of thing from time to= =0A> time.=0A> =0A> I'd love to come, but alas, cannot (I'm in Oregon ...an= d=0A> where the heck is Lowell anyway?).=0A> =0A> However, I am glad to be = made aware of your celebration.=0A> =0A> I had such a gathering for my 50th= back in '03 and plan=0A> another for my '60th next spring. =0A> =0A> We've= been referring to them as "Killian's Wakes."=0A> =0A> Have fun!=0A> =0A> I= recognize a few names on you performer list.=0A> =0A> Say helo for me.=0A>= =0A> Gosh...70 years...my my.=0A> =0A> And here I thought I was one of the= oldest people here.=0A> =0A> You have me beat by over a decade.=0A> =0A> B= est,=0A> =0A> Ted Killian=0A> =0A> On Aug 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, Emile Toben= feld (a.k.a Dr. T)=0A> wrote:=0A> =0A> > Hi folks,=0A> > =0A> > Help me cel= ebrate my 70th birthday by attending one of=0A> my birthday concerts!=0A> >= =0A> > I'm having one at Outpost 186 in Cambridge on Saturday,=0A> Septemb= er 8, from 7:30 until about 10:30, and one at 119=0A> Gallery in Lowell on = October 6 from about 8:15 - 11:30=0A> > =0A> > I'll be doing video improvis= ations with lots of great=0A> musicians in combinations new and old. The Oc= tober show will=0A> also feature a video collaboration with Greg Kowalski, = where=0A> we will improvise projections on the same screen in our=0A> disti= nct styles.=0A> > =0A> > Musicians for the September show include (I'm sure= I=0A> left some out )=0A> > Michael Bierylo=0A> > Ken Field=0A> > Rick Sco= tt=0A> > John Voigt=0A> > Kit Demos=0A> > Neil Leonard=0A> > Tom Plsek=0A> = > Glynis Lomon=0A> > Forbes Graham=0A> > Michael Bloom=0A> > Jon Proudman= =0A> > Tim Mungenast=0A> > =0A> > Musicians for the October show include=0A= > > Dave Bryant=0A> > Eric Rosenthal=0A> > Glynis Lomon=0A> > Kit Demos=0A>= > Andrea Pensado=0A> > Walter Wright=0A> > Junko Fujiwara=0A> > Eric Crawl= ey=0A> > Karen Langlie=0A> > and others TBA=0A> > =0A> > If you are a music= ian who has performed with me and=0A> would like to participate, I can add = you to the October=0A> bill.=0A> > -- =0A> > My photography can be viewed a= t http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/= =0A> > =0A> > My videos can be viewed at=0A> > http://www.youtube.com/Toben= feld=0A> > =0A> > =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 Emile Tobenfeld,=0A> Ph. D.=0A> > Vid= eo Producer=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=0A> =A0=A0=A0 Image Processing Specialist=0A= > > Video for your HEAD!=A0=A0=A0=0A> =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 Boris FX=0A> > ht= tp://www.foryourhead.com=A0=A0=A0=0A> =A0=A0=A0 http://www.borisfx.com=0A> = > =0A> > "My destination is always the same, but I work out a=0A> different= route to get there"=A0 -- Henri Matisse=0A> =0A> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 15:11:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E627A18348C; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:11:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:11:14 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: In-reply-to: <20120823042018.4894.11738.levelstar.mail@everest> References: <20120823042018.4894.11738.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:41:32 -0400 To: Tyler , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: Doctor T Birthday Concerts Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:11:14 +0000 (UTC) At 12:20 AM -0400 8/23/12, Tyler wrote: >Since this is an international looping network, please tell us where >in the world Lowell is. About 20 miles north north west of Boston, MA >Tyler Z >On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:15:12 -0400, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: > > >>Hi folks, >> >>Help me celebrate my 70th birthday by attending one of my birthday concerts! >> >>I'm having one at Outpost 186 in Cambridge on Saturday, September 8, >>from 7:30 until about 10:30, and one at 119 Gallery in Lowell on >>October 6 from about 8:15 - 11:30 >> >>I'll be doing video improvisations with lots of great musicians in >>combinations new and old. The October show will also feature a video >>collaboration with Greg Kowalski, where we will improvise projections >>on the same screen in our distinct styles. >> >>Musicians for the September show include (I'm sure I left some out ) >>Michael Bierylo >>Ken Field >>Rick Scott >>John Voigt >>Kit Demos >>Neil Leonard >>Tom Plsek >>Glynis Lomon >>Forbes Graham >>Michael Bloom >>Jon Proudman >>Tim Mungenast >> >>Musicians for the October show include >>Dave Bryant >>Eric Rosenthal >>Glynis Lomon >>Kit Demos >>Andrea Pensado >>Walter Wright >>Junko Fujiwara >>Eric Crawley >>Karen Langlie >>and others TBA >> >>If you are a musician who has performed with me and would like to >>participate, I can add you to the October bill. >>-- >>My photography can be viewed at >>http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ >> >>My videos can be viewed at >>http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld >> >>Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. >>Video Producer Image Processing Specialist >>Video for your HEAD! Boris FX >>http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com >> >>"My destination is always the same, but I work out a different route >>to get there" -- Henri Matisse -- "I rang a silent bell ..." -- Robert Hunter "... cast your dancing spell my way, I promise to go under it" -- Bob Dylan My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 15:25:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C9C518347A; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:25:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=TWjiXev+j4rB7THby9aUOSFXD/BPg5jbB21D8Y+GNR8=; b=aBfTRVnLZC5fFEpIryFbnEjmOS1sQDNDM1I/mLU+mNmCFSBEoSIu4qjs8E3DUjaIrl Y5MvD0BB0r/Qxiv0oQ7MhDYX0/3MjfYtdo8iFVqwVxrGpuZr+I63b4FPR4nNEp5J402e XvGVW1sAmcN4IW5HHR/3SeWB+R9TOnb7NRbtg7SfnZzHqZ514rEdhOpKurz4q99YlphJ x0KjzlhlPtYTixqD4FB0pt/E1HLMSBGoiPYtuXQZtkOZJyPs8IIsvFuIpkOFqOcJZcn7 FENSnkD40R7k/Jdsi0Axgt8tHK2szxb0iTbCnP+3jknUGuKje01l7cwL8nvxqOuTqB1+ H62Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 11:25:32 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Gig Spam - Sound of Mu - Oslo 20.30 GMT+1 From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307d0374662b8d04c7f078c6 Resent-Message-ID: <2U9bZB.A.jJC.utkNQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:25:34 +0000 (UTC) --20cf307d0374662b8d04c7f078c6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark that's cool, hope you can stream it. I recall your set at Y2KX with great memory. Wish I could be in Oslo maybe one day, lot of friends now in Sweden as well as some lost cousins discovered in Finland. Have a great gigger... Jim On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 4:50 AM, mark francombe wro= te: > Quick reminder to any who happens to be in Oslo, (maybe none) that me and > Jens Hesselberg will be playing at Sound of Mu in Markveien, tonight, at > 20.30 GMT+1. > > The music will be the usual improvised live-looping with me on baritone > guitar, loopers, beats and guitar synths, and Jens on drums, kaos pad, an= d > funny little sound making thingys. > > To my international friends, there is a chance that I'll remember to stic= k > my iPhone somewhere and stream the whole show via UStream. Take a look he= re > a little before the appropriate time for your timezone: > http://www.ustream.tv/channel/markfrancombe. > > (It might be that I forget or have too much to do - depending on gear > operational fluidity or lack of) > > Please share on your choice of Social Media! > > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > --=20 --=20 *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism' *The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music* - 'Organically inspired New Music' *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit *JDRF International * *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. --20cf307d0374662b8d04c7f078c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mark that's cool, hope you can stream it.=A0 I recall your set at = Y2KX with great memory.=A0 Wish I could be in Oslo maybe one day, lot of fr= iends now in Sweden as well as some lost cousins discovered in Finland.=A0 = Have a great gigger...
=A0
Jim

On Thu, Aug = 23, 2012 at 4:50 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
Quick reminder to any who happens to be in Oslo, (maybe no= ne) that me and Jens Hesselberg will be playing at Sound of Mu in Markveien= , tonight, at 20.30 GMT+1.

The music will be the usual improvised live-looping with me on barito= ne guitar, loopers, beats and guitar synths, and Jens on drums, kaos pad, a= nd funny little sound making thingys.

To my international friends, there is a chance that I'll remember to= =20 stick my iPhone somewhere and stream the whole show via UStream. Take a=20 look here a little before the appropriate time for your timezone:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/markfrancombe.
(It might be that I forget or have too much to do - depending on gear opera= tional fluidity or lack of)

Please share on your choice of Social M= edia!

-- Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--
-- <= /div>
jimgoodin.= com - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive min= imalism'
=A0
The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music=A0- 'Org= anically inspired New Music'
=A0
From Brooklyn To Gl= indran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter = Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF International

Tips Across the Waters, a= new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

--20cf307d0374662b8d04c7f078c6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 15:46:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10E67183479; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:46:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_0ac05e03-8568-4fe0-abb9-d01b1ed6baad_" X-Originating-IP: [217.92.117.212] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: Octatrack vs Ableton Live quick help Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:46:45 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2012 15:46:46.0128 (UTC) FILETIME=[8025FF00:01CD8146] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:46:47 +0000 (UTC) --_0ac05e03-8568-4fe0-abb9-d01b1ed6baad_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear delighters=2C waiting for your feedback on my first music experiments=2C I have a questio= n to offer to you=2C for a quick help.I will very probably buy a copy of Ab= leton Live Suite.And I have found an Octatrack for a reasonable price=2C st= ill quite higher than what I could and should actually spend now.And I need= to give an answer soon=2C especially for the Octa. I wonder if with the Ableton Live and some launchpad and/or midi pedal/cont= roller I can be more than ok for live performances=2C or if an hardware loo= per can be needed and so in that case if the Octa would be the right answer= .In these days I did more experiments with the Boomerang=2C alone and jammi= ng with friends=2C and I am very sure that it does not fit my needs.I do di= fferent things. In this moment I mostly tend to do techno beatbox=2C but I = also do more funny stuff=2C and I like experimental/ambient things.I need t= o be able to create and tweak loops very fast=2C do variations=2C breaks=2C= etc. Can I with Ableton and some controller create a loop quickly=2C real = time=2C and then overdub=2C undo=2C redo=2C create other loops=2C stop=2C r= estart=2C pause=2C restart=2C mute=2C time strech=2C pitch shift=2C effect= =2C etc=2C with just ableton=2C quickly=2C on stage=2C no dead times?And wi= th Octa?Is the Octa worthed if I will have Ableton?Or could I eventually be= tter complement the Ableton with a Echoplex for example? Thanks a lot! = --_0ac05e03-8568-4fe0-abb9-d01b1ed6baad_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear delighters=2C

waiting for your feedback on my first= music experiments=2C I have a question to offer to you=2C for a quick help= .
I will very probably buy a copy of Ableton Live Suite.
And I have found an Octatrack for a reasonable price=2C still quite highe= r than what I could and should actually spend now.
And I need to = give an answer soon=2C especially for the Octa.

I = wonder if with the Ableton Live and some launchpad and/or midi pedal/contro= ller I can be more than ok for live performances=2C or if an hardware loope= r can be needed and so in that case if the Octa would be the right answer.<= /div>
In these days I did more experiments with the Boomerang=2C alone = and jamming with friends=2C and I am very sure that it does not fit my need= s.
I do different things. In this moment I mostly tend to do tech= no beatbox=2C but I also do more funny stuff=2C and I like experimental/amb= ient things.
I need to be able to create and tweak loops very fast=2C do va= riations=2C breaks=2C etc. =3B
Can I with Ableton and some = controller =3Bcreate a loop quickly=2C real time=2C and then ove= rdub=2C undo=2C redo=2C create other loops=2C stop=2C restart=2C pause=2C r= estart=2C mute=2C time strech=2C pitch shift=2C effect=2C etc=2C with just = ableton=2C quickly=2C on stage=2C no dead times?
And with Octa?
Is the Octa worthed if I will have Ableton?
Or could I = eventually better complement the Ableton with a Echoplex for example?


Thanks a lot!
= --_0ac05e03-8568-4fe0-abb9-d01b1ed6baad_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 15:50:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3A6D18348A; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:50:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=A+pQQenRE+BiyoI7jtprLZd+UsOr7OTzC6um7FeiTOo=; b=nmn9FP1hmZMJyvDoEXVwQ33V+7xesKNN2Cgbca+HoLfLW/aT1bVlsVj9DEwsO7PsEM wvrc6BE3+bMLyByB6U8noAgk02NagTaHpB2ycQ9pHO4qLuIOIfMPZ3LFz6CLSeqE4QcZ zZd0QxFzwKr2lRHv29IvU5V0sGHK68lCWrCrvH+IZeLY/jL2qf/PUtTm6xkAi6i974uo NpUE2BAovs1pHCQPdunpHVhr2AOeE5Er5eMzb8E5uL8zCjVseSlcvfnsFFPqVQrpk43m 9QZSpCikcvi56Hp9VjPMlvAFFPBr193n30qOR+i8WbuSUqen6G+tzQiMZ0aNhp0+flU+ kZCw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 11:50:44 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Doctor T Birthday Concerts From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: DrTVideo@egroups.com, eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com, MaiyimBaron@japaneseinterpreter.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307f31e2853a9104c7f0d2d1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:50:45 +0000 (UTC) --20cf307f31e2853a9104c7f0d2d1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happy birthday Emile when your day hits - if it's September I share that month as well. Looks like good shows. Wishing you well. Jim On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) < emile@foryourhead.com> wrote: > Hi folks, > > Help me celebrate my 70th birthday by attending one of my birthday > concerts! > > I'm having one at Outpost 186 in Cambridge on Saturday, September 8, fro= m > 7:30 until about 10:30, and one at 119 Gallery in Lowell on October 6 fro= m > about 8:15 - 11:30 > > I'll be doing video improvisations with lots of great musicians in > combinations new and old. The October show will also feature a video > collaboration with Greg Kowalski, where we will improvise projections on > the same screen in our distinct styles. > > Musicians for the September show include (I'm sure I left some out ) > Michael Bierylo > Ken Field > Rick Scott > John Voigt > Kit Demos > Neil Leonard > Tom Plsek > Glynis Lomon > Forbes Graham > Michael Bloom > Jon Proudman > Tim Mungenast > > Musicians for the October show include > Dave Bryant > Eric Rosenthal > Glynis Lomon > Kit Demos > Andrea Pensado > Walter Wright > Junko Fujiwara > Eric Crawley > Karen Langlie > and others TBA > > If you are a musician who has performed with me and would like to > participate, I can add you to the October bill. > -- > My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/** > 22231918@N06/collections/**72157603627170351/ > > My videos can be viewed at > http://www.youtube.com/**Tobenfeld > > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. > Video Producer Image Processing Specialist > Video for your HEAD! Boris FX > http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com > > "My destination is always the same, but I work out a different route to > get there" -- Henri Matisse > > --=20 --=20 *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism' *The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music* - 'Organically inspired New Music' *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit *JDRF International * *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. --20cf307f31e2853a9104c7f0d2d1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Happy birthday Emile when your day hits - if it's September I shar= e that month as well.=A0 Looks like good shows.=A0 Wishing you well.
<= div>=A0
Jim

On Wed, Aug 2= 2, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) <emile@foryourhead.= com> wrote:
Hi folks,

Help me celebrate my 70th birthday by attending one of my birthday concerts= !

=A0I'm having one at Outpost 186 in Cambridge on Saturday, September 8,= from 7:30 until about 10:30, and one at 119 Gallery in Lowell on October 6= from about 8:15 - 11:30

I'll be doing video improvisations with lots of great musicians in comb= inations new and old. The October show will also feature a video collaborat= ion with Greg Kowalski, where we will improvise projections on the same scr= een in our distinct styles.

Musicians for the September show include (I'm sure I left some out ) Michael Bierylo
Ken Field
Rick Scott
John Voigt
Kit Demos
Neil Leonard
Tom Plsek
Glynis Lomon
Forbes Graham
Michael Bloom
Jon Proudman
Tim Mungenast

Musicians for the October show include
Dave Bryant
Eric Rosenthal
Glynis Lomon
Kit Demos
Andrea Pensado
Walter Wright
Junko Fujiwara
Eric Crawley
Karen Langlie
and others TBA

If you are a musician who has performed with me and would like to participa= te, I can add you to the October bill.
--
My photography can be viewed at http://www.flic= kr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/=

My videos can be viewed at
http://www.y= outube.com/Tobenfeld

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D.
Video Producer =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Image Processing Speciali= st
Video for your HEAD! =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Boris FX
http://www.foryour= head.com =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://www.borisfx.com

"My destination is always the same, but I work out a different route t= o get there" =A0-- Henri Matisse




--
-- <= /div>
jimgoodin.= com - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive min= imalism'
=A0
The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music=A0- 'Org= anically inspired New Music'
=A0
From Brooklyn To Gl= indran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter = Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF International

Tips Across the Waters, a= new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

--20cf307f31e2853a9104c7f0d2d1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 16:36:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5B0B183494; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:36:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=SDYbMWOpa6QXCBsPq1rUrg+/zB8Eq1/b19fvJizfgEc=; b=SC+sfEved9/1pq44hpwTKrt+Hv30EWqHoWzCltkArzLcpI5WQutFADZCTrqvDE746C /579UXiOCQcBkG5sFJ0+NKtuKprZBc8VDllGJazXX7Nql9NesaE/KV8r+FEk/S3LQBUD l9fEiClg8PpHQCfV8/AN/OPK/LJRbrf6T3sZlj5WjYc8kbGUlzYdVQGTP4O/WSazu1kK NtZfQKlUepFerf6drAVDFOxmqFnsfsob5l6XMJFnQ3C8DarCbLfbWutpjevHIf32N15w WVJEEjKcbhe+hzb3bgVaRIYzoamL8Z9wg0R452ty4Pr7DLNBiI8uvF+a74wcdQFHOKQ6 K1Cw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 18:36:00 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Doctor T Birthday Concerts From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:36:01 +0000 (UTC) Hi Emile, I'd love to come, but unfortunately it's too far away... or maybe I am too far away. Wish you all the best with the party! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 5:15 AM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: > Hi folks, > > Help me celebrate my 70th birthday by attending one of my birthday concerts! > > I'm having one at Outpost 186 in Cambridge on Saturday, September 8, from > 7:30 until about 10:30, and one at 119 Gallery in Lowell on October 6 from > about 8:15 - 11:30 > > I'll be doing video improvisations with lots of great musicians in > combinations new and old. The October show will also feature a video > collaboration with Greg Kowalski, where we will improvise projections on the > same screen in our distinct styles. > > Musicians for the September show include (I'm sure I left some out ) > Michael Bierylo > Ken Field > Rick Scott > John Voigt > Kit Demos > Neil Leonard > Tom Plsek > Glynis Lomon > Forbes Graham > Michael Bloom > Jon Proudman > Tim Mungenast > > Musicians for the October show include > Dave Bryant > Eric Rosenthal > Glynis Lomon > Kit Demos > Andrea Pensado > Walter Wright > Junko Fujiwara > Eric Crawley > Karen Langlie > and others TBA > > If you are a musician who has performed with me and would like to > participate, I can add you to the October bill. > -- > My photography can be viewed at > http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ > > My videos can be viewed at > http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld > > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. > Video Producer Image Processing Specialist > Video for your HEAD! Boris FX > http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com > > "My destination is always the same, but I work out a different route to get > there" -- Henri Matisse > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 16:44:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2C88183493; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:44:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0797762843==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120823164431.3513.56465.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:44:31 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: City Lights Music Festival and its comparison to a loopfest Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:44:46 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0797762843== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The=20only=20reason=20it=20isn't=20called=20a=20loop=20fest=20is=20because= =20this=20kind=20of=20festival=20is=20supposed=20to=20have=20a=20 large=20audience,=20and=20something=20with=20"loop=20fest"=20in=20the=20nam= e=20will=20only=20attract=20the=20geeks=20that=20hang=20around=20on=20 mailing=20lists=20like=20this=20one.=20I'm=20trying=20to=20get=20a=20group= =20of=20Citylighters=20to=20sign=20up=20for=20this=20list.=20That=20way,=20 live=20looping,=20generic=20looping,=20sampling=20with=20repetition,=20etc.= =20can=20be=20discussed=20here.=20We=20need=20to=20stir=20up=20 enough=20interest. Tyler=20Z --===============0797762843==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 16:56:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87104183493; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:56:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=c1zaJ+QghS8UVYZIX7uA0o/v797VJ42Y3G9p2bIegU0=; b=G7qzP0wr2cm4Jjwcu7R4umWpwNM1uAzxLq+fotdLjNi7DOgk6u252iu247rCA1myCB 87orLXDmqp4sTiExrPB0yQUnFxXykUXJHyCy1+IHuEh3Pi3HvwDnJx3PZSk+jHISKEAA lCJrUjn2RIPf0FtIRhQVaglrdVFmSv1p5tN4u7Ed6IrGuQsbJWJBaSKI4CiHypSlfS+8 Kpjj9fBns+2TB3vFOa86aQ79c1fwULVrloa16oJg7qWBZu5fdNttMLPYkg2JMLImN09a DXhYPi0QjLuHTTThEIHw8clLab7nkNGq0fwGQfFxr1fhXRkfsvsqd90hQML9Ya16SOne ujDw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 18:56:46 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Octatrack vs Ableton Live quick help From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:56:47 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Sergio G wrote: > Can I with Ableton and some controller create a loop quickly, real time, and > then overdub, undo, redo, create other loops, stop, restart, pause, restart, > mute, time strech, pitch shift, effect, etc, with just ableton, quickly, on > stage, no dead times? > And with Octa? That's a lot of questions! Have you read the manual for the two platforms and compared their feature sets and processing power with what you're planning to do? If you really plan to do all those things I would guess the Octa would work better. But if you are looking at electronic mash-up artists (for example Tim Exile, Squarepusher, Jamie Lidell) they all tend to specialize in avoiding certain actions that their platform of choice isn't well suited for. The hardest DSP is time-stretching and pitch-shifting. For audio already recorded on a drive that's not a big deal, but doing it in a live stream is kind of against the laws of physics - and here the most elegant cheater wins ;-). To make the comparison fair you also need to calculate on the cost of the audio interface the laptop will need. An interface that can give you as good sound as the Octa may cost more than half the price of the Octa. And you also have to think about the time needed to find and learn a controller and to set it up well with Live. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 17:18:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3232183490; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:18:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nhooTRk4HTXU3kMxTj+fbtkc95r7BmJDxebv7YxN+FU=; b=mJ8UEu9ZKnuumADphE0WSpVvjKhbzq90hkHwY6ew/et8S8QlESM2hjNf98PF1Flvhw BIiqr1vJYcMD4QNG+4WpUNzd9U6C0iPiTKYSy8pqPTC29SKA1pbSzkVzLATrQFmUlMOj Dpn39a3HnqscSmkHvFev+p587x0jJ3ZGCqcuD/swFBXT9TGMSWO0EZpj8mij9fMkPaf0 CovwMgmGYU44YfpS+cvaIkF0li9AWG/eY0z1YwYhHndkWatQHHG3wnBm/KcFhDw0HpBg qaeaty2siAiGbwjSYJajHfO0XjlOKKmBgim2aFrArYJ1gFdupq73SloIye7OWyJYjwiw kR7w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:17:59 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Gig Spam - Sound of Mu - Oslo 20.30 GMT+1 From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:18:00 +0000 (UTC) Is that 14:30 EDT? I'm terrible at time travel. Sylvain On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Jim Goodin wro= te: > Mark that's cool, hope you can stream it. I recall your set at Y2KX with > great memory. Wish I could be in Oslo maybe one day, lot of friends now = in > Sweden as well as some lost cousins discovered in Finland. Have a great > gigger... > > Jim > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 4:50 AM, mark francombe > wrote: >> >> Quick reminder to any who happens to be in Oslo, (maybe none) that me an= d >> Jens Hesselberg will be playing at Sound of Mu in Markveien, tonight, at >> 20.30 GMT+1. >> >> The music will be the usual improvised live-looping with me on baritone >> guitar, loopers, beats and guitar synths, and Jens on drums, kaos pad, a= nd >> funny little sound making thingys. >> >> To my international friends, there is a chance that I'll remember to sti= ck >> my iPhone somewhere and stream the whole show via UStream. Take a look h= ere >> a little before the appropriate time for your timezone: >> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/markfrancombe. >> >> (It might be that I forget or have too much to do - depending on gear >> operational fluidity or lack of) >> >> Please share on your choice of Social Media! >> >> >> -- >> Mark Francombe >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >> > > > > -- > -- > jimgoodin.com - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive > minimalism' > > The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music - 'Organically inspired New Music' > > From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin = & > Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF International > > Tips Across the Waters, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire > Ware. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 17:39:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 076C4183493; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:39:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ABZIavixR6eS0qgXIcfNxUggmu4RLtxE+jD7n0HPNF4=; b=chtcEoNxAk1PxPiylkMNKE0t6pCdXYnecRYQuXZ1N8isxq8d2E27fHYvk/4V7Khj+o kwQQNO2hKhiu4Lh9BuEyav0X4O4k2lMg+UhsXxqgRhms7UtN0diS2nCzw6blUTTgUGEK sNCxuO1K4Nw6HQJ+fWs/2gcxR21puw0dtQeuYbMzQlX6eci3zR9DgJlZ383GCNlNtyn2 lxBNv+OStO0AvdBhKJlLZrL54pd9XKppV/nil310pJIkcz9K3z2xWRWWf5cSeAExDGXL PLLgX6jSsGk5iGUqdFWpks1FkxGD/cdzX19Nlu02vZOrCZwN3/iNEB5oQ8nUjvDo6X+E WMTA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:39:47 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Gig Spam - Sound of Mu - Oslo 20.30 GMT+1 From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f22bfb186d92904c7f25838 Resent-Message-ID: <78pStB.A.TAF.lrmNQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:39:49 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f22bfb186d92904c7f25838 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I get this wrong all the time but this says you are correct..I think. http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ Jeff On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > Is that 14:30 EDT? I'm terrible at time travel. > Sylvain > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Jim Goodin > wrote: > > Mark that's cool, hope you can stream it. I recall your set at Y2KX wi= th > > great memory. Wish I could be in Oslo maybe one day, lot of friends no= w > in > > Sweden as well as some lost cousins discovered in Finland. Have a grea= t > > gigger... > > > > Jim > > > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 4:50 AM, mark francombe > > wrote: > >> > >> Quick reminder to any who happens to be in Oslo, (maybe none) that me > and > >> Jens Hesselberg will be playing at Sound of Mu in Markveien, tonight, = at > >> 20.30 GMT+1. > >> > >> The music will be the usual improvised live-looping with me on bariton= e > >> guitar, loopers, beats and guitar synths, and Jens on drums, kaos pad, > and > >> funny little sound making thingys. > >> > >> To my international friends, there is a chance that I'll remember to > stick > >> my iPhone somewhere and stream the whole show via UStream. Take a look > here > >> a little before the appropriate time for your timezone: > >> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/markfrancombe. > >> > >> (It might be that I forget or have too much to do - depending on gear > >> operational fluidity or lack of) > >> > >> Please share on your choice of Social Media! > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Mark Francombe > >> www.markfrancombe.com > >> www.ordoabkhao.com > >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 > >> http://www.looop.no > >> twitter @markfrancombe > >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > -- > > jimgoodin.com - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive > > minimalism' > > > > The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music - 'Organically inspired New Music= ' > > > > From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodi= n > & > > Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF International > > > > Tips Across the Waters, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wi= re > > Ware. > > > > --e89a8f22bfb186d92904c7f25838 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I get this wrong all the time but this says you are correct..I think. http://www.timeanddate.com/wo= rldclock/

Jeff

On Thu, Aug 23,= 2012 at 1:17 PM, Sylvain Poitras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com= > wrote:
Is that 14:30 EDT? =A0I'm terrible at ti= me travel.
Sylvain

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mark that's cool, hope you can stream it. =A0I recall your set at = Y2KX with
> great memory. =A0Wish I could be in Oslo maybe one day, lot of friends= now in
> Sweden as well as some lost cousins discovered in Finland. =A0Have a g= reat
> gigger...
>
> Jim
>
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 4:50 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Quick reminder to any who happens to be in Oslo, (maybe none) that= me and
>> Jens Hesselberg will be playing at Sound of Mu in Markveien, tonig= ht, at
>> 20.30 GMT+1.
>>
>> The music will be the usual improvised live-looping with me on bar= itone
>> guitar, loopers, beats and guitar synths, and Jens on drums, kaos = pad, and
>> funny little sound making thingys.
>>
>> To my international friends, there is a chance that I'll remem= ber to stick
>> my iPhone somewhere and stream the whole show via UStream. Take a = look here
>> a little before the appropriate time for your timezone:
>> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/markfrancombe.
>>
>> (It might be that I forget or have too much to do - depending on g= ear
>> operational fluidity or lack of)
>>
>> Please share on your choice of Social Media!
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mark Francombe
>> www.mar= kfrancombe.com
>> www.ordoab= khao.com
>> http://v= imeo.com/user825094
>> http://www.looop= .no
>> twitter @markfrancombe
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> jimgoodin.com -= 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive
> minimalism'
>
> The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music - 'Organically inspired New = Music'
>
> From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Good= in &
> Peter Th=F6rn. =A0Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF Internationa= l
>
> Tips Across the Waters, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and W= ire
> Ware.
>


--e89a8f22bfb186d92904c7f25838-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 17:50:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0C88183494; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:50:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=V9OFdYR4o0nW/2DnEts0w/G/OSBfDPRMaIJTs6DLMrQ=; b=JKYkwEYb00PrT7TNhJqhtTtRLmMds8jX8Z8zRh+5RTTTnjVaEPn2JFMXZRGMRtB8ct 5TdxQTmuvcmo9MIz7FXn/RocaufasJ7lVauy6jYK+ErrZ68PlxlckSuBu9QzRblZ/57x kxlTAg+ZWyTqUYjSc19SFGJZkiDDPoUGdjNjxq+ipnvZk6pAhDCT2ZvvEbV477zKhiJN G8Qxu8pJxQyiuxySjY8DEN/h+96JKw5v0szTuYnOmA0Ym2roVIkFn8YatxZn0yhTGYXW m/U5teuaKjDLK13SewP1ea+F6P2bRqdq2yOpZIHlBOcH2XTZpQGkhmOwfWSz/0SwQurm UerA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:50:19 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Gig Spam - Sound of Mu - Oslo 20.30 GMT+1 From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:50:21 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for that link, Jeff. Sylvain On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: > I get this wrong all the time but this says you are correct..I think. > http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ > > Jeff > > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Sylvain Poitras > wrote: >> >> Is that 14:30 EDT? I'm terrible at time travel. >> Sylvain >> >> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Jim Goodin >> wrote: >> > Mark that's cool, hope you can stream it. I recall your set at Y2KX >> > with >> > great memory. Wish I could be in Oslo maybe one day, lot of friends n= ow >> > in >> > Sweden as well as some lost cousins discovered in Finland. Have a gre= at >> > gigger... >> > >> > Jim >> > >> > On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 4:50 AM, mark francombe >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Quick reminder to any who happens to be in Oslo, (maybe none) that me >> >> and >> >> Jens Hesselberg will be playing at Sound of Mu in Markveien, tonight, >> >> at >> >> 20.30 GMT+1. >> >> >> >> The music will be the usual improvised live-looping with me on barito= ne >> >> guitar, loopers, beats and guitar synths, and Jens on drums, kaos pad= , >> >> and >> >> funny little sound making thingys. >> >> >> >> To my international friends, there is a chance that I'll remember to >> >> stick >> >> my iPhone somewhere and stream the whole show via UStream. Take a loo= k >> >> here >> >> a little before the appropriate time for your timezone: >> >> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/markfrancombe. >> >> >> >> (It might be that I forget or have too much to do - depending on gear >> >> operational fluidity or lack of) >> >> >> >> Please share on your choice of Social Media! >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Mark Francombe >> >> www.markfrancombe.com >> >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> >> http://www.looop.no >> >> twitter @markfrancombe >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > -- >> > jimgoodin.com - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive >> > minimalism' >> > >> > The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music - 'Organically inspired New Musi= c' >> > >> > From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Good= in >> > & >> > Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF International >> > >> > Tips Across the Waters, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and >> > Wire >> > Ware. >> > >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 19:31:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FE0D18348F; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_37761330-f228-411e-8b25-74524553ab20_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Octatrack vs Ableton Live quick help Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:31:41 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2012 19:31:40.0871 (UTC) FILETIME=[EBA45D70:01CD8165] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:31:47 +0000 (UTC) --_37761330-f228-411e-8b25-74524553ab20_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I absolutely LOVE the Octatrack.. it can mangle sound at make my guitar sou= nd like a synth.. it is great to create cool beats... the looper is great f= or recording and doing great things with external audio=2C synts=2C guitars= =2C turntables.. it can "loop" is several different ways.. use the looper o= r use the recoders. Lately i have used the looper more and also re-sampled = that to a recorder so that i can trig the loop on the sequencer=2C slice it= =2C play it on a keybord=2C record what I play either to a new audio loop o= r as locked triggs on the sequencer.. it is SOO Much fun :-) However if you want kicks on one trecks=2C snares on one and so on the eigh= t tracks might be limiting.. If i were more of a "beatmaker" i wold probabl= y create some beats with kick on one tracl=2C snares on one and so on save = the result by internal sampling and the use the loops in a composition.. Here's my latest work with the octatrack. three track are samples other tha= n my guitar (one "drunish" track with kick and snare=2C a bass line and ano= ther basich line) i also to a lot of recodig guitar snippets i play fiddlin= g with scenes via the fader... it ALL LIVE no overdubs=2C it's me guitar an= d octatrack=2C guitar through the octa (and a cheap amp sim pedal before th= e octa) and the direct into recorder.. so it's basically what you would hea= r through a PA in a live setting.=20 I suspect that abelton and a few plugins will work as well=2C what abelton = MIGHT not to as well as the octa is the instrument like quility that i feel= the octa has. BAsicallay it can take my guitar and make it sound like B3= =2C synth=2C horn.. it can make a keyboard sample into white noise in a liv= e setting.=20 Even though i play guitar i don't even use a midi foot controller I find th= at using the machine keep my hands AWAY from the guitar so that i don't ove= rplay. Of course you can complemant the octa with MIDI controllers.. http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/21century-schizoid-guitar=20 I will go to y small cottage over the weekend so I might not answer qustion= directly but feel free to ask whatever..=20 From: simpliflying@gmail.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Octatrack vs Ableton Live quick help Date: Thu=2C 23 Aug 2012 15:46:45 +0000 Dear delighters=2C waiting for your feedback on my first music experiments=2C I have a questio= n to offer to you=2C for a quick help.I will very probably buy a copy of Ab= leton Live Suite.And I have found an Octatrack for a reasonable price=2C st= ill quite higher than what I could and should actually spend now.And I need= to give an answer soon=2C especially for the Octa. I wonder if with the Ableton Live and some launchpad and/or midi pedal/cont= roller I can be more than ok for live performances=2C or if an hardware loo= per can be needed and so in that case if the Octa would be the right answer= .In these days I did more experiments with the Boomerang=2C alone and jammi= ng with friends=2C and I am very sure that it does not fit my needs.I do di= fferent things. In this moment I mostly tend to do techno beatbox=2C but I = also do more funny stuff=2C and I like experimental/ambient things.I need t= o be able to create and tweak loops very fast=2C do variations=2C breaks=2C= etc. Can I with Ableton and some controller create a loop quickly=2C real = time=2C and then overdub=2C undo=2C redo=2C create other loops=2C stop=2C r= estart=2C pause=2C restart=2C mute=2C time strech=2C pitch shift=2C effect= =2C etc=2C with just ableton=2C quickly=2C on stage=2C no dead times?And wi= th Octa?Is the Octa worthed if I will have Ableton?Or could I eventually be= tter complement the Ableton with a Echoplex for example? Thanks a lot! = --_37761330-f228-411e-8b25-74524553ab20_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I =3Babsolutely =3BLOVE the Octatrack.. it can mangle sound at make= my guitar sound like a synth.. it is great to create cool beats... the loo= per is great for recording and doing great things with external audio=2C sy= nts=2C guitars=2C turntables.. it can "loop" is several different ways.. us= e the looper or use the recoders. Lately i have used the looper more and al= so re-sampled that to a recorder so that i can trig the loop on the sequenc= er=2C slice it=2C play it on a keybord=2C record what I play either to a ne= w audio loop or as locked triggs on the sequencer.. it is SOO Much fun :-)<= div>
However if you want kicks on one trecks=2C snares on one= and so on the eight tracks might be =3Blimiting.. If i were more of a = "beatmaker" i wold =3Bprobably =3Bcreate some beats with kick on on= e tracl=2C snares on one and so on save the result by internal sampling and= the use the loops in a composition..

Here's my la= test work with the octatrack. three track are samples other than my guitar = (one "drunish" track with kick and snare=2C a bass line and another basich = line) i also to a lot of recodig guitar snippets i play fiddling with scene= s via the fader... it ALL LIVE no overdubs=2C it's me guitar and octatrack= =2C guitar through the octa (and a cheap amp sim pedal before the octa) and= the direct into recorder.. so it's basically what you would hear =3Bth= rough =3Ba PA in a live setting. =3B

I sus= pect that abelton and a few plugins will work as well=2C what abelton MIGHT= not to as well as the octa is the instrument like quility that i feel the = octa has. BAsicallay it can take my guitar and make it sound like B3=2C syn= th=2C horn.. it can make a keyboard sample into white noise in a live setti= ng. =3B

Even though i play guitar i don't even= use a midi foot =3Bcontroller =3BI find that using the machine kee= p my hands AWAY from the guitar so that i don't overplay. Of course you can= complemant the octa with MIDI =3Bcontrollers..

http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/21century-schizoid-guitar = =3B

I will go to y small cottage over the weekend = so I might not answer qustion directly but feel free to ask whatever.. = =3B

From: simpliflying@gmail.com
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com<= br>Subject: Octatrack vs Ableton Live quick help
Date: Thu=2C 23 Aug 201= 2 15:46:45 +0000

Dear delighters=2C

waiting for your feedback on my first= music experiments=2C I have a question to offer to you=2C for a quick help= .
I will very probably buy a copy of Ableton Live Suite.
And I have found an Octatrack for a reasonable price=2C still quite highe= r than what I could and should actually spend now.
And I need to = give an answer soon=2C especially for the Octa.

I = wonder if with the Ableton Live and some launchpad and/or midi pedal/contro= ller I can be more than ok for live performances=2C or if an hardware loope= r can be needed and so in that case if the Octa would be the right answer.<= /div>
In these days I did more experiments with the Boomerang=2C alone = and jamming with friends=2C and I am very sure that it does not fit my need= s.
I do different things. In this moment I mostly tend to do tech= no beatbox=2C but I also do more funny stuff=2C and I like experimental/amb= ient things.
I need to be able to create and tweak loops very fast=2C do variat= ions=2C breaks=2C etc. =3B
Can I with Ableton and some controll= er =3Bcreate a loop quickly=2C real time=2C and then overdub=2C undo=2C redo= =2C create other loops=2C stop=2C restart=2C pause=2C restart=2C mute=2C ti= me strech=2C pitch shift=2C effect=2C etc=2C with just ableton=2C quickly= =2C on stage=2C no dead times?
And with Octa?
Is the Octa worthed if I will have Ab= leton?
Or could I eventually better complement the Ableton with a Echoplex for = example?


Thanks a lot!
=
= --_37761330-f228-411e-8b25-74524553ab20_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 20:41:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5342418347B; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 20:41:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <50369575.9030606@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:41:25 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Re: City Lights Music Festival and its comparison to a loop fest References: <20120823025843.1695.11738.levelstar.mail@everest> In-Reply-To: <20120823025843.1695.11738.levelstar.mail@everest> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 20:41:33 +0000 (UTC) On 8/22/12 7:58 PM, Tyler wrote: > Give me the page on loopers-delight.com (NOT a mailing list archive; a page from > Tools, Tips and Tricks, etc.) that says "This site is for live looping only! I repeat, > LIVE!" Where does it say that? The home page says the opposite. I discovered this website when > Googling tape loops, and tape loops are usually prerecorded. Loopers Delight does not specifically promote the concept of live looping. In fact, our founder, Kim Flint, was very worried that the preponderance of live loopers on the forum might overwhelm other modes of using loops in music. But the fact of the matter is that this forum is populated almost entirely by people who ARE live loopers. It sort of is what it is. Everyone's down with whatever you want to do, whatever you want to listen to, but this is a forum full of intelligent musicians who have strong ideas about all things. If you say, "I love such and such" for whatever reason, you will probably always have someone say, "what on earth are you thing" and a debate will ensue. Matt Davignon is making a good point about DJs without making any value judgment about what it is you enjoy (he even carefully said it in his post). We live in the age of Djs.In fact, probably 50% of all the people I talk to about live looping who don't understand what it is, ask, "Oh, so you mean you are a DJ". It takes skill to be a DJ and mad skills to be one of the best in the class of performers..........but I agree with Matt when he says that 90% of all DJs are NOT composers, that they are merely cleverly manipulating music that has already been composed and recorded......and almost invariably (though there are rare exception) they are NOT playing music that they even created themselves. As a live looping artist, I get really tired (and sometimes bitchy) about being compared to DJs because I've worked so much harder learning how to make music in my life than the lion's share of Djs that I know personally and the general population frequently doesn't even 'get' that. Do I value what they do? Usually, yes and they are ubiquitous. But I don't think it is wrong to have a sense of pride that we are actually making music from scratch when we perform in a live looping setting. You keep coming up against that specific pride that exists in this forum and it seems to continually bug you, but it just is what it is and it doesn't have to take away from anything that you love or wish to do in your own musical life. I believe people in this community support you to like what you like here. It would also be nice for you to accept what it is that most of us actually do, musically, in the same breath. on this forum in the same breath. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 20:53:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D64B2183490; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 20:53:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0797762843==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120823205315.8285.56465.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:53:15 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: Re: City Lights Music Festival and its comparison to a loop fest Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 20:53:30 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0797762843== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=20love=20live=20looping=20(real=20live=20looping,=20like=20Per=20Boysen= =20or=20you=20or=20Michael=20Peters)=20just=20as=20much=20 as=20you=20guys=20do.=20I=20just=20have=20this,=20to=20put=20it=20politely,= =20"quirk,"=20whenever=20I=20hear=20a=20looped=20sample=20(it=20 has=20to=20be=20a=20looped=20sample;=20manual=20repetition=20doesn't=20have= =20the=20same=20effect=20on=20me),=20I=20just=20 feel=20excited!=20Whether=20it=20be=20your=20Boysens=20and=20Davignons=20or= =20your=20Chers=20and=20Imogens.=20lol.=20I=20 advertised=20this=20looping-like=20festival=20just=20for=20records,=20and= =20I'm=20inviting=20DJ'S=20to=20LD,=20because=20repeated=20 samples=20get=20us=20GOING!! Tyler=20Z On=20Thu,=2023=20Aug=202012=2013:41:25=20-0700,=20Rick=20Walker=20wrote: >On=208/22/12=207:58=20PM,=20Tyler=20wrote: >>Give=20me=20the=20page=20on=20loopers-delight.com=20(NOT=20a=20mailing=20= list=20archive;=20a=20page=20from >>Tools,=20Tips=20and=20Tricks,=20etc.)=20that=20says=20"This=20site=20is= =20for=20live=20looping=20only!=20I=20 >>repeat, >>LIVE!"=20Where=20does=20it=20say=20that?=20The=20home=20page=20says=20the= =20opposite.=20I=20discovered=20 >>this=20website=20when >>Googling=20tape=20loops,=20and=20tape=20loops=20are=20usually=20prerecord= ed. > >Loopers=20Delight=20does=20not=20specifically=20promote=20the=20concept=20= of=20live=20looping. >In=20fact,=20our=20founder,=20Kim=20Flint,=20was=20very=20worried=20that= =20the=20preponderance=20 >of=20live=20loopers >on=20the=20forum=20might=20overwhelm=20other=20modes=20of=20using=20loops= =20in=20music. > >But=20the=20fact=20of=20the=20matter=20is=20that=20this=20forum=20is=20pop= ulated=20almost=20 >entirely=20by=20people >who=20ARE=20live=20loopers. > >It=20sort=20of=20is=20what=20it=20is. > >Everyone's=20down=20with=20whatever=20you=20want=20to=20do,=20=20whatever= =20you=20want=20to=20 >listen=20to,=20but >this=20is=20a=20forum=20full=20of=20intelligent=20musicians=20who=20have= =20strong=20ideas=20 >about=20all=20things. >If=20you=20say,=20=20"I=20love=20such=20and=20such"=20for=20whatever=20rea= son,=20=20you=20will=20 >probably=20always=20have >someone=20say,=20=20"what=20on=20earth=20are=20you=20thing"=20=20and=20a= =20debate=20will=20ensue. > >Matt=20Davignon=20is=20making=20a=20good=20point=20about=20DJs=20without= =20making=20any=20value=20 >judgment=20about >what=20it=20is=20you=20enjoy=20(he=20even=20carefully=20said=20it=20in=20h= is=20post). > >We=20live=20in=20the=20age=20of=20Djs.In=20fact,=20=20probably=2050%=20of= =20all=20the=20people=20I=20 >talk=20to=20about=20live=20looping=20who=20don't=20understand >what=20it=20is,=20=20ask,=20"Oh,=20=20so=20you=20mean=20you=20are=20a=20DJ= ". > >It=20takes=20skill=20to=20be=20a=20DJ=20and=20mad=20skills=20to=20be=20one= =20of=20the=20best=20in=20the=20 >class=20of=20performers..........but=20I=20agree=20with=20Matt=20when=20he= =20says=20that=2090%=20 >of=20all=20DJs=20are=20NOT=20composers,=20=20that=20they=20are=20merely=20= cleverly=20 >manipulating=20music=20that=20has=20already=20been=20composed=20and=20reco= rded......and=20 >almost=20invariably=20(though=20there=20are=20rare=20exception)=20they=20a= re=20NOT=20playing=20 >music >that=20they=20even=20created=20themselves. > >As=20a=20live=20looping=20artist,=20=20I=20get=20really=20tired=20(and=20s= ometimes=20bitchy)=20 >about=20being=20compared=20to=20DJs=20because >I've=20worked=20so=20much=20harder=20learning=20how=20to=20make=20music=20= in=20my=20life=20than=20 >the=20lion's=20share=20of=20Djs=20that=20I=20know=20personally >and=20the=20general=20population=20frequently=20doesn't=20even=20'get'=20t= hat. > >Do=20I=20value=20what=20they=20do?=20=20=20Usually,=20yes=20and=20they=20a= re=20ubiquitous. > >But=20I=20don't=20think=20it=20is=20wrong=20to=20have=20a=20sense=20of=20p= ride=20that=20we=20are=20 >actually=20making=20music=20from=20scratch >when=20we=20perform=20in=20a=20live=20looping=20setting. > >You=20keep=20coming=20up=20against=20that=20specific=20pride=20that=20exis= ts=20in=20this=20forum=20 >and=20it=20seems=20to=20continually=20bug=20you, >but=20it=20just=20is=20what=20it=20is=20and=20it=20doesn't=20have=20to=20t= ake=20away=20from=20anything=20 >that=20you=20love=20or=20wish=20to=20do >in=20your=20own=20musical=20life.=20=20I=20believe=20people=20in=20this=20= community=20support=20 >you=20to=20like=20what=20you=20like=20here.=20=20=20It=20would=20also=20be= =20nice=20for=20you=20to=20 >accept=20what=20it=20is=20that=20most=20of=20us=20actually=20do,=20musical= ly,=20in=20the=20same=20 >breath. >on=20this=20forum=20in=20the=20same=20breath. --===============0797762843==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 21:17:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2ECA0183490; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:17:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <50369DA2.9080406@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:16:18 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6bbAYD.A.VYH.S3pNQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:17:06 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on The Tangent Project. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Live on Star's End 12.06.09." In the first hour of the show, I'll play some music by Animusic whose Kickstarter campaign for Animusic 3 is at: http://kck.st/NeGtov Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org on the internet. Note: The WDIY website has changed and the Galactic Travels portion is gone. I am working this issue. Meanwhile, http://galactictravels.info doesn't work. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 21:18:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B514B18348F; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:18:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=sUw6jay6g+lpIWXcwbI4aM9TMH3AnE1+xLwEXiHJe1c=; b=zIfanj2rQ/i01qNi9betjTx+IoGVpw8Ho4b9JHdQhUMQO6F9J1+kqBdeT392IQg23F v1Y0h3JrVMdjL2bbHCYx/KKLdvyRc90jU+zKmQY1vTT+Zdjl/0VqDMhAABNGUcF66vzj Cos3LGO+BI6DwgBeIgyTuLklEN9qa2Wl256t0RIxdP+hOSDzfPy6oEcXBuuNveODeizN A3tGodpwHFrd7qD6CQbZg2ALYB0fcJEv1qiyDlX41YadEnwbODdtGVOQgCT5BiZtG4Zr TRLx8ScIbiOj0xgS2c5S7hsMSOPvGWD6GQCZN1A9CQ9CLcQv4vV3FIjkV2BpDrpHWGph 0DVQ== From: philip Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_22D78F1C-2045-4EDC-9EF1-42C37AF0AB87" Subject: Re: Octatrack vs Ableton Live quick help Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 06:18:13 +0900 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: <62169F6A-B2D7-43EA-8D7A-957249BE32EB@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:18:57 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_22D78F1C-2045-4EDC-9EF1-42C37AF0AB87 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Anders, I've listened to your 21st Century Schizoid Guitar track several = times. I really like it. The rhythm track is magical and I love the = arrangement. Wow. I think I'm going back for another listen. P On Aug 24, 2012, at 4:31 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > I absolutely LOVE the Octatrack.. it can mangle sound at make my = guitar sound like a synth.. it is great to create cool beats... the = looper is great for recording and doing great things with external = audio, synts, guitars, turntables.. it can "loop" is several different = ways.. use the looper or use the recoders. Lately i have used the looper = more and also re-sampled that to a recorder so that i can trig the loop = on the sequencer, slice it, play it on a keybord, record what I play = either to a new audio loop or as locked triggs on the sequencer.. it is = SOO Much fun :-) >=20 > However if you want kicks on one trecks, snares on one and so on the = eight tracks might be limiting.. If i were more of a "beatmaker" i wold = probably create some beats with kick on one tracl, snares on one and so = on save the result by internal sampling and the use the loops in a = composition.. >=20 > Here's my latest work with the octatrack. three track are samples = other than my guitar (one "drunish" track with kick and snare, a bass = line and another basich line) i also to a lot of recodig guitar snippets = i play fiddling with scenes via the fader... it ALL LIVE no overdubs, = it's me guitar and octatrack, guitar through the octa (and a cheap amp = sim pedal before the octa) and the direct into recorder.. so it's = basically what you would hear through a PA in a live setting.=20 >=20 > I suspect that abelton and a few plugins will work as well, what = abelton MIGHT not to as well as the octa is the instrument like quility = that i feel the octa has. BAsicallay it can take my guitar and make it = sound like B3, synth, horn.. it can make a keyboard sample into white = noise in a live setting.=20 >=20 > Even though i play guitar i don't even use a midi foot controller I = find that using the machine keep my hands AWAY from the guitar so that i = don't overplay. Of course you can complemant the octa with MIDI = controllers.. >=20 > http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/21century-schizoid-guitar=20 >=20 > I will go to y small cottage over the weekend so I might not answer = qustion directly but feel free to ask whatever..=20 >=20 > From: simpliflying@gmail.com > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Octatrack vs Ableton Live quick help > Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:46:45 +0000 >=20 > Dear delighters, >=20 > waiting for your feedback on my first music experiments, I have a = question to offer to you, for a quick help. > I will very probably buy a copy of Ableton Live Suite. > And I have found an Octatrack for a reasonable price, still quite = higher than what I could and should actually spend now. > And I need to give an answer soon, especially for the Octa. >=20 > I wonder if with the Ableton Live and some launchpad and/or midi = pedal/controller I can be more than ok for live performances, or if an = hardware looper can be needed and so in that case if the Octa would be = the right answer. > In these days I did more experiments with the Boomerang, alone and = jamming with friends, and I am very sure that it does not fit my needs. > I do different things. In this moment I mostly tend to do techno = beatbox, but I also do more funny stuff, and I like experimental/ambient = things. > I need to be able to create and tweak loops very fast, do variations, = breaks, etc.=20 > Can I with Ableton and some controller create a loop quickly, real = time, and then overdub, undo, redo, create other loops, stop, restart, = pause, restart, mute, time strech, pitch shift, effect, etc, with just = ableton, quickly, on stage, no dead times? > And with Octa? > Is the Octa worthed if I will have Ableton? > Or could I eventually better complement the Ableton with a Echoplex = for example? >=20 >=20 > Thanks a lot! --Apple-Mail=_22D78F1C-2045-4EDC-9EF1-42C37AF0AB87 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Anders, I've listened to your 21st Century Schizoid = Guitar track several times. I really like it. The rhythm track is = magical and I love the arrangement.

Wow. I think I'm = going back for another = listen.

P



On Aug 24, 2012, at 4:31 AM, Anders Bergdahl = wrote:

I absolutely LOVE the Octatrack.. it can = mangle sound at make my guitar sound like a synth.. it is great to = create cool beats... the looper is great for recording and doing great = things with external audio, synts, guitars, turntables.. it can "loop" = is several different ways.. use the looper or use the recoders. Lately i = have used the looper more and also re-sampled that to a recorder so that = i can trig the loop on the sequencer, slice it, play it on a keybord, = record what I play either to a new audio loop or as locked triggs on the = sequencer.. it is SOO Much fun :-)

However if you = want kicks on one trecks, snares on one and so on the eight tracks might = be limiting.. If i were more of a "beatmaker" i = wold probably create some beats with kick on one tracl, snares = on one and so on save the result by internal sampling and the use the = loops in a composition..

Here's my latest work = with the octatrack. three track are samples other than my guitar (one = "drunish" track with kick and snare, a bass line and another basich = line) i also to a lot of recodig guitar snippets i play fiddling with = scenes via the fader... it ALL LIVE no overdubs, it's me guitar and = octatrack, guitar through the octa (and a cheap amp sim pedal before the = octa) and the direct into recorder.. so it's basically what you would = hear through a PA in a live = setting. 

I suspect that abelton and a few = plugins will work as well, what abelton MIGHT not to as well as the octa = is the instrument like quility that i feel the octa has. BAsicallay it = can take my guitar and make it sound like B3, synth, horn.. it can make = a keyboard sample into white noise in a live = setting. 

Even though i play guitar i = don't even use a midi foot controller I find that using the = machine keep my hands AWAY from the guitar so that i don't overplay. Of = course you can complemant the octa with = MIDI controllers..

h= ttp://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/21century-schizoid-guitar 

I will go to y small cottage over the weekend so = I might not answer qustion directly but feel free to ask = whatever.. 

From: simpliflying@gmail.com
To: = loopers-delight@looper= s-delight.com
Subject: Octatrack vs Ableton Live quick = help
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:46:45 +0000

Dear= delighters,

waiting for your feedback on my first = music experiments, I have a question to offer to you, for a quick = help.
I will very probably buy a copy of Ableton Live = Suite.
And I have found an Octatrack for a reasonable price, = still quite higher than what I could and should actually spend = now.
And I need to give an answer soon, especially for the = Octa.

I wonder if with the Ableton Live and = some launchpad and/or midi pedal/controller I can be more than ok for = live performances, or if an hardware looper can be needed and so in that = case if the Octa would be the right answer.
In these days I = did more experiments with the Boomerang, alone and jamming with friends, = and I am very sure that it does not fit my needs.
I do = different things. In this moment I mostly tend to do techno beatbox, but = I also do more funny stuff, and I like experimental/ambient = things.
I need to be able to create and tweak loops very = fast, do variations, breaks, etc. 
Can I = with Ableton and some controller create a loop = quickly, real time, and then overdub, undo, redo, create other loops, = stop, restart, pause, restart, mute, time strech, pitch shift, effect, = etc, with just ableton, quickly, on stage, no dead = times?
Is the Octa worthed if I will have = Ableton?


Thanks a = lot!
<= br>
Darn it all, Go to heck and get intercour= sed, you whelp of a female dog, You textile container, (or stack of ) fecal= matter. You're so full of male bovine meadow-muffins, you are the&nbs= p;copulating orofice from which it issues.
Now, wasn't that "PC= " ( and I don't mean IBM, or its many clones, those coital bits of excremen= t compared to     i-????s= ) ?
Rig

From:= mark francombe <markfrancombe@gmail.com>
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com =
Sent: Monday, August 20= , 2012 4:49 PM
Subject: = Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not)

Hey Tyler,
It could be that I am one of the wors= e offenders on this list! I swear and curse by nature, but hopefully not as= a lazy excuse for poor
vocabulary.
I was brought up in a rough and d= angerous city, and I guess the language of the streets just stuck.
No wo= rd offends me like some political views or business practices offend me, a = word is simply a word. However words have power, and it's important not to = abuse that power, all over used words lose their power in a way, and thats = a shame.
I remember a New Yorker friend of mine once saying that the f w= ord was so overused that New Yorkers would use it to greet each other as in= ...

STREET DUDE (on seeing a long lost friend)
"Hey Fuck you!"STREET DUDES FRIEND
"Hey fuck you dude"

Hence a much more flower= y and eloquent form of insult had emerged to make up for the fact that the = usual words had now lost its power.. as  in...

1) Hug my nuts you stinking sack of shit
2) Love my butt hair

The other th= ing to bare in mind is that these words have a long and illustrious history= , Shakespeare used the f word, Chaucer used the c word. And every country h= as different ones. Fuck for example is not a rude word at all here in Norwa= y, as its a foreign word. And when a film came out here a few years ago ent= itled "Fucking =C5mal" an English friend stopped in horror and pointed " yo= u cant write that down the side of a bus!"

As for the use of profani= ty on this list, I generally think that, age is not relevant, no one is 9 y= ears old here... and even if we are not, we should all behave as adults. Th= at means we should not really be shocked by the words that other people fro= m other backgrounds and cultures use, but should also not deliberately offe= nd.

If I have offended you (really) by use of the f word or some oth= er than I really truthfully apologize, as it would not be my intention ever to do so, however, I do not (as others profess to do) act o= r write any differently here than I do in any other situation, except perha= ps when I am with my elderly relatives, my customers, or other peoples youn= g children. (I'm abashed to say that my own son has heard all manner of fil= th from these lips.

Its a very interesting point you bring up Tyler,= as always, and IMNSHO totally ON TOPIC, because, although the primary reas= on we are all here is looping the secondary reason is community, and this c= ommunity spans different countries, cultures, religions and as such is what= makes it so fascinating.

To close I would like to present a wonderf= ul video by a renown Norwegian video artist about the most significant Norw= egian swear word. If you want to learn a little of this endangered language= , this is good place to start. Don't worry, its in English.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DAkJf0md1kG8

Mark





On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 9:16 PM, Tyle= r <program= mer651@comcast.net> wrote:
Hello! I don't know i= f anyone has ever paid attention to this, but have you seen how many people= have gotten
away with swear words on this forum? I remember when we wer= e having a thread about why
loopers-delight.com was so out-of-date, but= the forum part was as lively as heck. Someone used the
F word "Why does= everything have to be so f***ing up-to-date?" (I censored the word out so = I
don't have a bad track-record on this mailing list). And I read the he= lp file (the one that you see
when you send an invalid command to the su= bscription server), and even THAT file had some (yet very mild)
language= toward the end. Now, I've seen bad language in forums, and if I would have= signed up
five years ago, I would be long gone by now; I'm less sensiti= ve. But this site is where
musicians can communicate with each other, and t= alk about electronic music technology, share
links, write articles about= their technology ... but randomly putting the F word in the middle of anarticle about Mobius? I'm confused! In the days of Kim, would he get upse= t when someone used a
word like that?
Tyler Z




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---709188601-688788259-1345566209=:35808-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 17:19:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8500B183486; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:19:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=AWGNEb6L4o4KrHSdEz02XI75+HDoDzWJhNHygFARYo0=; b=rcGcW+vVxkd2MLX6pxZvNuPN1/QGR8CnLMc1cr+6+eGjT3c1awy1C8sBlXwvR/FEAy PoFXFcN89qxrtHpux0mUFsMaJrh138m7wzX8XcLK7EJ08yY42/q0CLyOZECZvsRKWCz9 4OQ/SpWeOICxZJFWIEy6nLPTL0uUosrcSHuW5PlKqXqCxufVN6nVDD9AsELAiRN8X4Jc I4L6zQuwXdCpgrdWUm0vM8fElAJ8fMNK/3TlYFPYBDeacUpR5YmotY5oiYsY7dANr3rD paoIcoI51V5OwzsGP7hLxSlEPWkmA8RT75MKtRedfmHcLUNr2XhmieIG0RTIew7svL48 uDrw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1345566209.35808.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20120820191624.2384.12966.levelstar.mail@everest> <1345566209.35808.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:19:14 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not) From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:19:15 +0000 (UTC) >>You textile container, (or stack of ) fecal matter Are you implying that bag is an inappropriate word to use on this forum? Sylvain Skip the rest of this message if you don't want to read the F-word. * * * You were warned! Going the other way from political correctness, a friend and I wrote some poetry a couple years ago by combining swear words and "normal" terms in unusual ways. The inspiration was the usual combination of "shit" and 'load" to form such wonderful expressions as "That was a shit load of fun" or "that's a load of shit". Along with less memorable contenders, the foulest thing we came up with was "fuck bucket". I personally think this is hilarious. Potential phrases include: "That's a fuck bucket of fun" or "one last kick at the old fuck bucket". You could also have a "fuck bucket list" (things to do while you can still fuck or people you want to fuck before you die). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 17:37:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C272818348A; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:37:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 276760.52284.bm@omp1059.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1345570622; bh=fILMFwCABWXrX2O+n2TfMnco6298iMhptEJojMJMzKg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=u3c0D+y1w6oX6ECdpnPn0wmFOcax+BXvlhzrwAJ0PuI6X6Q30A3+wm+c2Y1jcflGMPBuAJUongvMkC/c2fWEDtwP8YsPcb1IqUq528Mss5ooP0Jdd2im6z5vFLAD9Yz8RBsh1iBWv+ji9aAwfKUvBGactA6mpgIvhDkiY02AVpM= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GVmC2vhecW8qjuPSkTJ1ICHt4BE5YZ/E72d7KCwsgl7c9/P/Gk9JyqyxkCQK440OeL2XOgXmQ5YfIjyR9w1T+aEBDQD/PXbZd4+DJje3YlFdsZfUnsWbYapDXsb/s3Ef55DQJdxOHQmEd2P3HiucRg8hG9z9nmIXhDWUcPxbOMw=; X-YMail-OSG: zvwh_qQVM1nGlKt4CSBALxvKYmq0G2MQbHZ6IZxwXWdIPZT .ehsIk0ErzH8aJthmt6A3Jx.0UT7lCCvr12FRIn1SfxbXPYhfcywoFPIuyG4 jHpIuT.dOrlws4lLoM37xeFSELTAffaklaeMWaLehnPrcoUyagIXG8f1pCgA DoTO6TUM9kjO6v5Ac.k9cg13cbFjTMCuUKftqlawGu6uVrRsggMClT9KZcXN G2Cn74Aq.7rnUZeyWQBQhtx3hnGQyhic8DJxaS7dKz5o.mKa3NJQVtALXKBP Q5xgKOpYFq_9f1vQUQyVm9yVlRVh2TLiSBZkrNyTp1y2WSxKdiwfpmB1ubqE 9l7hUIQmk4.HunLKedGfjGwJHJWXwmkLPZXXut5SmuerpU3AUS0V2OBQS4NO iylj.uRfFB.zWskWcT5hY3dif4u502HUeb4yBef76NYVeUSnL92qzuQMmir4 Qi.0Ebql2mWRRV3z9JnTGln2cEMy6J_S7OH1H X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.121.416 References: <20120820191624.2384.12966.levelstar.mail@everest> <1345566209.35808.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1345570622.40007.YahooMailNeo@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:37:02 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not) To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-2002498609-694239318-1345570622=:40007" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:37:04 +0000 (UTC) ---2002498609-694239318-1345570622=:40007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No. More like bag ie, sack,=A0satchel, purse, etc. Also stack, ie pile, hea= p, load, etc. Fuck bucket,,, I like that one.=0AR.=A0=0A=0A=0A_____________= ___________________=0AFrom: Sylvain Poitras =0A= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 1= 0:19 AM=0ASubject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not)=0A= =0A>>You textile container, (or stack of ) fecal matter=0A=0AAre you implyi= ng that bag is an inappropriate word to use on this forum?=0A=0ASylvain=0A= =0ASkip the rest of this message if you don't want to read the F-word.=0A= =0A=0A=0A* * *=0A=0A=0AYou were warned!=0A=0A=0A=0AGoing the other way from= political correctness, a friend and I wrote=0Asome poetry a couple years a= go by combining swear words and "normal"=0Aterms in unusual ways.=A0 The in= spiration was the usual combination of=0A"shit" and 'load" to form such won= derful expressions=A0 as "That was a=0Ashit load of fun" or "that's a load = of shit".=0A=0AAlong with less memorable contenders, the foulest thing we c= ame up=0Awith was "fuck bucket".=A0 I personally think this is hilarious.= =0APotential phrases include: "That's a fuck bucket of fun" or "one last=0A= kick at the old fuck bucket".=A0 You could also have a "fuck bucket=0Alist"= (things to do while you can still fuck or people you want to=0Afuck before= you die). ---2002498609-694239318-1345570622=:40007 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No. More like bag ie, sack, satchel,= purse, etc. Also stack, ie pile, heap, load, etc. Fuck bucket,,, I like th= at one.
R. 

From:= Sylvain Poitras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.= com
Sent: Tuesday, Augu= st 21, 2012 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not)
=
>>You textile container, (or stack of ) fecal matter

Are y= ou implying that bag is an inappropriate word to use on this forum?

= Sylvain

Skip the rest of this message if you don't want to read the F-word.



* * *


You were warned!



Go= ing the other way from political correctness, a friend and I wrote
some = poetry a couple years ago by combining swear words and "normal"
terms in= unusual ways.  The inspiration was the usual combination of
"shit"= and 'load" to form such wonderful expressions  as "That was a
shit= load of fun" or "that's a load of shit".

Along with less memorable = contenders, the foulest thing we came up
with was "fuck bucket".  I= personally think this is hilarious.
Potential phrases include: "That's = a fuck bucket of fun" or "one last
kick at the old fuck bucket".  Y= ou could also have a "fuck bucket
list" (things to do while you can stil= l fuck or people you want to
fuck before you die).



=
---2002498609-694239318-1345570622=:40007-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 19:07:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92F1E183481; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:07:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=trufun.com; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject; bh=0bRlGEbDZCUngs0rkSlYQtHmCX+Ovuahp4yCeL4RbFw=; b=PGT6DZVHoIm9WN1eaFeuuIfzkpDPTEvuhWvqQV/qEXqopXwCQcJF7BZK9W8//WGSR+O9YmkukdPhuSA/gGepSgjM9kAseVPWQQR1jwKLXJgiV0boVOuzsU1xUxqUK7+/; Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Gans In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:06:31 -0700 Cc: David Gans Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <20120820191624.2384.12966.levelstar.mail@everest> <1345566209.35808.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <4IBoIC.A.qWE.Oy9MQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:07:58 +0000 (UTC) The idiom would be "sack," not "bag." Just to be a picky fucker about it. On Aug 21, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Sylvain Poitras wrote: >>> You textile container, (or stack of ) fecal matter > > Are you implying that bag is an inappropriate word to use on this forum? David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 20:02:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05CA818348A; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:02:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=tH4VUN5dwe3RCW52gFHPThCCX5Tg+VuNQlIpyHut7Ng=; b=U2I7vIp1nlEL+Uh6QmM6p+VTBhnWhouwPjh1ITB7m+aszSJn5z1FtU/v5lOgWZWkFm NRnq/+z/vgkxPH7hilQyfg50X2n6NxAyJqbSEbGNLHEuYwfx8XtG6vvPmPIvzZgpAH3n YFJ1/G1cSnHDMjhYQV1RfgIDbi9OqvTpnt5DuFttGckeeD88h9NL0KvLRKyCClR7QZuP GvD8y32F9DowZTw2ZSTYnsxDdwJtfChxwOmejCPGL7uh3wsMljn5xOLHZUWXR1ZLpIYy 1A58vj6cpknqUiockUy1HByfhzxY1HIPwhXVcuLCxiv5JFvEFcwwKhakghLEjeNi/9jQ fQdg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20120820191624.2384.12966.levelstar.mail@everest> <1345566209.35808.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:01:59 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not) From: todd reynolds To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307d03745dfc3504c7cc19ed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:02:00 +0000 (UTC) --20cf307d03745dfc3504c7cc19ed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 We all are fucktards. Yes that rhymes with tune yards. No relation. On Aug 21, 2012 1:19 PM, "Sylvain Poitras" wrote: > >>You textile container, (or stack of ) fecal matter > > Are you implying that bag is an inappropriate word to use on this forum? > > Sylvain > > Skip the rest of this message if you don't want to read the F-word. > > > > * * * > > > You were warned! > > > > Going the other way from political correctness, a friend and I wrote > some poetry a couple years ago by combining swear words and "normal" > terms in unusual ways. The inspiration was the usual combination of > "shit" and 'load" to form such wonderful expressions as "That was a > shit load of fun" or "that's a load of shit". > > Along with less memorable contenders, the foulest thing we came up > with was "fuck bucket". I personally think this is hilarious. > Potential phrases include: "That's a fuck bucket of fun" or "one last > kick at the old fuck bucket". You could also have a "fuck bucket > list" (things to do while you can still fuck or people you want to > fuck before you die). > > --20cf307d03745dfc3504c7cc19ed Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We all are fucktards. Yes that rhymes with tune yards. No re= lation.

On Aug 21, 2012 1:19 PM, "Sylvain Poitras&q= uot; <sylvain.trombone@gma= il.com> wrote:
Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:09:26 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:09:43 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============1991481305== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ever=20since=20I=20became=20a=20looper=20(which=20was=20two=20years=20befor= e=20I=20discovered=20this=20list),=20I've=20used=20 euphemisms=20in=20my=20daily=20speech.=20Being=20an=20Imogen=20Heap=20fan,= =20I=20sometimes=20use=20"heaping"=20as=20an=20 intensifier:=20"That=20is=20heaping=20cool!"=20"What=20the=20heap=20is=20th= is=20mailing=20list=20for?"=20Or,=20me=20and=20my=20looping=20 assistant=20will=20sometimes=20say=20"Heap=20you"=20as=20a=20joke.=20"Oh=20= my=20loop,"=20"Oh=20my=20heaping=20loop,"=20or,=20 when=20disappointed,=20we=20say,=20"SONNY=20AND=20CHER!" Tyler=20Z On=20Tue,=2021=20Aug=202012=2016:01:59=20-0400,=20todd=20reynolds=20wrote: >We=20all=20are=20fucktards.=20Yes=20that=20rhymes=20with=20tune=20yards.= =20No=20relation.=20 >On=20Aug=2021,=202012=201:19=20PM,=20"Sylvain=20Poitras"=20Are=20you=20implying=20that=20bag=20is=20an=20inappropriate=20word=20to=20= use=20on=20this=20forum? >Sylvain >Skip=20the=20rest=20of=20this=20message=20if=20you=20don't=20want=20to=20r= ead=20the=20F-word. >*=20*=20* >You=20were=20warned! >Going=20the=20other=20way=20from=20political=20correctness,=20a=20friend= =20and=20I=20wrote >some=20poetry=20a=20couple=20years=20ago=20by=20combining=20swear=20words= =20and=20"normal" >terms=20in=20unusual=20ways.=20The=20inspiration=20was=20the=20usual=20com= bination=20of >"shit"=20and=20'load"=20to=20form=20such=20wonderful=20expressions=20as=20= "That=20was=20a >shit=20load=20of=20fun"=20or=20"that's=20a=20load=20of=20shit". >Along=20with=20less=20memorable=20contenders,=20the=20foulest=20thing=20we= =20came=20up >with=20was=20"fuck=20bucket".=20I=20personally=20think=20this=20is=20hilar= ious. >Potential=20phrases=20include:=20"That's=20a=20fuck=20bucket=20of=20fun"= =20or=20"one=20last >kick=20at=20the=20old=20fuck=20bucket".=20You=20could=20also=20have=20a=20= "fuck=20bucket >list"=20(things=20to=20do=20while=20you=20can=20still=20fuck=20or=20people= =20you=20want=20to >fuck=20before=20you=20die). --===============1991481305==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 20:45:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9BE218348C; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:45:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 218653.94357.bm@omp1030.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1345581942; bh=1/f8S2730MdcX7T/LHjYUiDUP8G3YfjhOx9PLAfXLGw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=oPDOmyjYjT0cJVTjvpsWNXXy6M2gVumRkB9h/0pXlWF8RwDct4m2IljHouoEAPgawksZA+9QLdhE1yT2orP2fTnN+X2rYbs/eFurBj/xqWYU12XmV2LYL0IRsumldCXED77Y1UlsKbzeKnLMyXBMmxe0ILC3KUVm29Xy4azrMxo= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vYN/dnDAALuAniBOO25HTo+DzI3VaYGpzkaVm4plrdtWyUQ5gNSI6HQO/TlSE+jxJO3nfUqv9oMaR7ChPSrHemTHLAErbdr2li3DJkLkPe1Ck0AcqVzgpqyMFZ5E6Y66y7a0JKg74ke2ZCYO1sRpE4UN0/cfih4fkZUNCzpXSTk=; X-YMail-OSG: 0nJVg0cVM1n4LERqZlhP6S.EuZT4o9E.6rmRdot_jAa81AJ wNOliVqj8Oj4k_W1eDM8BBrNtlRIHkYe03MREPlH0LAuMZpdNamzO..rkVva 2a53Ahwiou8Z_gSqKeUOHDsJY_OZhwVDPFSNFp0j19W_V4.njfUyn35deBm. oAueyuG1YrQ1qIjmI1JeYrWQV9UrPvGz_ik.6wSmg4JGacI3SDg9fo23W2e9 g6I6xuUmOPICruFlICg13upR3y7tD4ABgh3zmm2yYezAlYfBy8D8wgmSM2IB KrXdbc_qqk.f_dHz0UBb2Cniv_P.JkxYlgF5ZqYs9RWvMO98TYUlNeL5HxfC qN4hc50_Y1xcErpVyOM1Di7v6BhH19c8aXfkXqePxP1WJ8DKxivLIf7fGh4q Ml_CA.d1y7zGO6FKngQC0Jg42GQvpbCSDX4ZdlPgG0ju6BWgrVzcQG3Ejzzj jl_e8xXzFZcsKNFnOiOcA55p9ISnjmoayrcmCDu1nehLBwAYIhb6ma_g- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.121.416 References: <20120820191624.2384.12966.levelstar.mail@everest> <1345566209.35808.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1345581942.23600.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:45:42 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-709188601-1155063179-1345581942=:23600" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:45:43 +0000 (UTC) ---709188601-1155063179-1345581942=:23600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reminds me of a few years back, at the sawmill. I'd drop or break something= and emphatically declare, "LICK!! SUCK!!! sometimes with a BITE!!!" The pe= ople around me would chuckle and say, "Bigrig, that's gotta be a cuss word = what with the way you said it". They were right of course. rig=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: todd reynolds =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Tuesday, Au= gust 21, 2012 1:01 PM=0ASubject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language po= licy (not)=0A=0A=0AWe all are fucktards. Yes that rhymes with tune yards. N= o relation. =0AOn Aug 21, 2012 1:19 PM, "Sylvain Poitras" wrote:=0A=0A>>You textile container, (or stack of ) fecal matte= r=0A>=0A>Are you implying that bag is an inappropriate word to use on this = forum?=0A>=0A>Sylvain=0A>=0A>Skip the rest of this message if you don't wan= t to read the F-word.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>* * *=0A>=0A>=0A>You were warned!=0A>= =0A>=0A>=0A>Going the other way from political correctness, a friend and I = wrote=0A>some poetry a couple years ago by combining swear words and "norma= l"=0A>terms in unusual ways. =A0The inspiration was the usual combination o= f=0A>"shit" and 'load" to form such wonderful expressions =A0as "That was a= =0A>shit load of fun" or "that's a load of shit".=0A>=0A>Along with less me= morable contenders, the foulest thing we came up=0A>with was "fuck bucket".= =A0I personally think this is hilarious.=0A>Potential phrases include: "Th= at's a fuck bucket of fun" or "one last=0A>kick at the old fuck bucket". = =A0You could also have a "fuck bucket=0A>list" (things to do while you can = still fuck or people you want to=0A>fuck before you die).=0A>=0A> ---709188601-1155063179-1345581942=:23600 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reminds me of a few years back, at the sawmill. I'd drop or break somet= hing and emphatically declare, "LICK!! SUCK!!! sometimes with a BITE!!= !" The people around me would chuckle and say, "Bigrig, that'= s gotta be a cuss word what with the way you said it". They were right= of course.=0D
rig
From: todd reynolds <toddreyn@gmail.com>
= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-d= elight.com
Sent: Tues= day, August 21, 2012 1:01 PM
Subj= ect: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not)

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We all are fucktards. = Yes that rhymes with tune yards. No relation.

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On Aug 21, 2012 1:19 PM, "Sylvain Poitras" <<= a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:sylvain.trombone@gmail.com" target=3D"= _blank" href=3D"mailto:sylvain.trombone@gmail.com">sylvain.trombone@gmail.c= om> wrote:
=0A>>= ;You textile container, (or stack of ) fecal matter
=0A
=0AAre you im= plying that bag is an inappropriate word to use on this forum?
=0A
= =0ASylvain
=0A
=0ASkip the rest of this message if you don't want= to read the F-word.
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A* * *
=0A
=0A
=0AY= ou were warned!
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0AGoing the other way from politic= al correctness, a friend and I wrote
=0Asome poetry a couple years ago b= y combining swear words and "normal"
=0Aterms in unusual ways.= =A0The inspiration was the usual combination of
=0A"shit" and= 'load" to form such wonderful expressions =A0as "That was a<= br>=0Ashit load of fun" or "that's a load of shit".
= =0A
=0AAlong with less memorable contenders, the foulest thing we came u= p
=0Awith was "fuck bucket". =A0I personally think this is hil= arious.
=0APotential phrases include: "That's a fuck bucket of = fun" or "one last
=0Akick at the old fuck bucket". =A0You= could also have a "fuck bucket
=0Alist" (things to do while y= ou can still fuck or people you want to
=0Afuck before you die).
=0A<= br>=0A
=0A


---709188601-1155063179-1345581942=:23600-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 22:34:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1191418348A; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 22:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_12d26c95-602d-477e-a81f-0a4bc4693f23_" X-Originating-IP: [92.228.252.194] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: When you've finished with those f...ing words Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 22:34:23 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2012 22:34:23.0960 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D537D80:01CD7FED] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 22:34:24 +0000 (UTC) --_12d26c95-602d-477e-a81f-0a4bc4693f23_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello dears. I am glad to see I am not the only one who at 36 years keeps himself busy w= ith ageless activities normally more widely adopted by younger people.I am = obviously talking of saying that word=2C not of doing it. Whatever.As I am still a child like you=2C I also need love and attention o= r I will finish eating too much ice scream to compensate.So=2C be kind and = when you have time have a listen to my first experiments with the boomerang= :http://soundcloud.com/ser_yo/sets/first-experiments Probably some of you already listened=2C as I had sent an email already abo= ut that.But=2C well=2C I received no answer at all=2C no feedback=2C and th= at was a bit sad for someone childish like me.I was not expecting false com= pliments but at least some interest and feedback. You know=2C like "well th= at's shit but if you ask for a feedback maybe you should make theatre and n= ot music"=2C things like that. I am here to grow.Ok=2C I know=2C I am not a guitarist and I will never be = part of the big family of guitar loopers and sonic landscapes=2C I am more = a hippie freak who started to make music at 35 after years of intensive lis= tening of depressive music like Portishead=2C and just after falling in lov= e for Techno=2C beatbox=2C beatbox looping=2C and electronic music.So I am = musically confused=2C naive=2C and totally unexpert. But I bet that with your lovely guide I can grow sooner.But forget it=2C I'= ll never play guitar. Eventually some acustic bass when I will have time to= learn. Loveand sex. Sergio = --_12d26c95-602d-477e-a81f-0a4bc4693f23_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello dears.

I am glad to see I am not the only one who = at 36 years keeps himself busy with ageless activities normally more widely= adopted by younger people.
I am obviously talking of saying that= word=2C not of doing it.

Whatever.
As I= am still a child like you=2C I also need love and attention or I will fini= sh eating too much ice scream to compensate.
So=2C be kind and wh= en you have time have a listen to my first experiments with the boomerang:<= /div>
http://soundcloud.com/ser_yo/sets/first-experiments
Probably some of you already listened=2C as I had sent an email= already about that.
But=2C well=2C I received no answer at all= =2C no feedback=2C and that was a bit sad for someone childish like me.
I was not expecting false compliments but at least some interest and= feedback. You know=2C like "well that's shit but if you ask for a feedback= maybe you should make theatre and not music"=2C things like that.

I am here to grow.
Ok=2C I know=2C I am not a gu= itarist and I will never be part of the big family of guitar loopers and so= nic landscapes=2C I am more a hippie freak who started to make music at 35 = after years of intensive listening of depressive music like Portishead=2C a= nd just after falling in love for Techno=2C beatbox=2C beatbox looping=2C a= nd electronic music.
So I am musically confused=2C naive=2C and t= otally unexpert.

But I bet that with your lovely g= uide I can grow sooner.
But forget it=2C I'll never play guitar. = Eventually some acustic bass when I will have time to learn.

=

Love
and sex.

= Sergio
= --_12d26c95-602d-477e-a81f-0a4bc4693f23_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 22:57:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80C4A183481; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 22:57:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=LXaCbtPig224jBo2lbanf2nUrQXn3yF2G6td9yTVtHc=; b=ga4c0I9QhqIiPAGtVBqtgAICKGxQvw9o32gJc6tkAJsqQiuQippyAAyBnQciF/zoMY P7CojDKmRccmUzGIwDgnZSKDk28LUREhYS7/dFRwdvMkqqMwVkhQCYEUoqcCYT7KFTmA J/CbPZHrVdd+VqEHNiEt0o63d/4Ss7PcNviXAZggBXC6jlDvPP3yC2JY76d3LwUQeICT ndGIeHz1Yp4xkK8kS+rcfEXRpLExxf5Hx9WYLs2Gj8ljHk6fz8yljHvB9ppXhRidT5zl PIwKPJM4QNV59PaJVWlb+wf/NYf0quENYtU/6+WsTzol5cYX67XleGxl3qtU7rkGPclG 07yw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 18:57:14 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: When you've finished with those f...ing words From: todd reynolds To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3071cc921bc11204c7ce8cd8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 22:57:15 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3071cc921bc11204c7ce8cd8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Now you see, THAT'S marketing! On Aug 21, 2012 6:34 PM, "Sergio G" wrote: > Hello dears. > > I am glad to see I am not the only one who at 36 years keeps himself busy > with ageless activities normally more widely adopted by younger people. > I am obviously talking of saying that word, not of doing it. > > Whatever. > As I am still a child like you, I also need love and attention or I will > finish eating too much ice scream to compensate. > So, be kind and when you have time have a listen to my first experiments > with the boomerang: > http://soundcloud.com/ser_yo/sets/first-experiments > > Probably some of you already listened, as I had sent an email already > about that. > But, well, I received no answer at all, no feedback, and that was a bit > sad for someone childish like me. > I was not expecting false compliments but at least some interest and > feedback. You know, like "well that's shit but if you ask for a feedback > maybe you should make theatre and not music", things like that. > > I am here to grow. > Ok, I know, I am not a guitarist and I will never be part of the big > family of guitar loopers and sonic landscapes, I am more a hippie freak who > started to make music at 35 after years of intensive listening of > depressive music like Portishead, and just after falling in love for > Techno, beatbox, beatbox looping, and electronic music. > So I am musically confused, naive, and totally unexpert. > > But I bet that with your lovely guide I can grow sooner. > But forget it, I'll never play guitar. Eventually some acustic bass when I > will have time to learn. > > > Love > and sex. > > Sergio > --20cf3071cc921bc11204c7ce8cd8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Now you see, THAT'S marketing!

On Aug 21, 2012 6:34 PM, "Sergio G" &l= t;simpliflying@gmail.com> = wrote:
Hello dears.

I am glad to see I am not the only one who = at 36 years keeps himself busy with ageless activities normally more widely= adopted by younger people.
I am obviously talking of saying that= word, not of doing it.

Whatever.
As I am still a child like you, I a= lso need love and attention or I will finish eating too much ice scream to = compensate.
So, be kind and when you have time have a listen to m= y first experiments with the boomerang:

Probably some of you already listened, as I had sent an e= mail already about that.
But, well, I received no answer at all, no feedback, and that was a bi= t sad for someone childish like me.
I was not expecting false com= pliments but at least some interest and feedback. You know, like "well= that's shit but if you ask for a feedback maybe you should make theatr= e and not music", things like that.

I am here to grow.
Ok, I know, I am not a gui= tarist and I will never be part of the big family of guitar loopers and son= ic landscapes, I am more a hippie freak who started to make music at 35 aft= er years of intensive listening of depressive music like Portishead, and ju= st after falling in love for Techno, beatbox, beatbox looping, and electron= ic music.
So I am musically confused, naive, and totally unexpert.
But I bet that with your lovely guide I can grow sooner.
<= div>But forget it, I'll never play guitar. Eventually some acustic bass= when I will have time to learn.


Love
and sex.

Sergio
--20cf3071cc921bc11204c7ce8cd8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 05:57:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 994D018347D; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 05:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=1mt/yxr3UKivmKMbV+D9Yl2us6QZaR3cRHgEH/8smXs=; b=BWCUPxTb10G5KKc8OtdcH4ylig0H090oStABmrktSmFZ7UeLYGkuOm3mgD3phQMPKj z+zxL7PIotq5y4lr8kW5P++eeIUfZiHLE2m8f43Nh7iwlLIcvV2gHQFmC6H3uE15EISk ovAvlL1CkhvmHR+zEHjvNgrXId3UdIu1w6DnKcXDw2Y9WZm2MTyEzNZjvUU5lAT5K/vy ZWwKt1nB/pu4i/6ByU4mmLkxPontEVpQ9nt990sfVzu+Ih0OH39JjlhcQuYFQmzh04OQ pXWkQAP3g57QQdJ57kuEQdE3zxgT6sJMx9vvL0P7zHT08zX4YY7mzLDaL9Gn+V1wOJGF d0rg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20120820191624.2384.12966.levelstar.mail@everest> <23844623-3A90-43AF-BE5A-C625A34AD720@gmail.com> <1345491087.24915.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 22:57:05 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not) From: Lindsey Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9399de199bd1804c7d469c6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 05:57:07 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9399de199bd1804c7d469c6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I love this topic. That is all. Lindsey On Aug 20, 2012 5:48 PM, "Revfever" wrote: > > Personal Philosophy (aka-rant) Dept: > > Words of any kind have never really affected me all thatmuch, for better or worse, public or private. Or, at least I try to not let them do so, except for whenever words are used specifically and only for the purposes of unfairly and unjustifiably attacking or denigrating, or hurting someone or something, or to deceive or to be dishonest etc, whether those words were also laced with profanities, or not. (Most politicians, especially Rethuglicans with their "values!" blah blah blah, are real "adept" and very experienced at doing this.) > > It's only the intent and purpose that are important and if anyone gets "offended" by something...(wait for it...here comes the Zen)...it is only themselves that are allowing that to happen. > Better to just rise above the occasion and move on, at least in most cases. > > For me personally, I just do not believe in being too hyper-sensitive and overly PC, and that too is only my personal opinion and viewpoint. But, that is also not a "license" to be some jackass and to make a calculated effort to try to "offend" someone, especially for only the purposes of doing so. However, I also think that trying to always be whatever(?) "perfect" > and / or "correct" etc are, can also have the possibility to eventually make someone nuts, or at least be way too much wound up inside too often, and that really cannot be to anyone's personal overall health benefit, IMO, along with how it may also resonate with others. I've encountered enough overly PC etc people before thru out the years and usually I ended up with having to get as far away from most of them as possible, even if their intentions may have been well placed (or perceived to be so?) at the time. Anyone can overdo anything, > for the better or for the worse. Trying to maintain Balance (along with personal sanity) here is at least one of the keys, IMO. > > It's also just not how the Real World exists or operates and I certainly do not support any kind of suppression of speech of any kind in whatever way someone else chooses to express themselves or their opinions, etc, good or not so. That's them saying it and not me, and often, allowing someone to freely express themselves, for better or worse, can give a more clearer picture of that person's overall personality...or at least to maybe some degree. I'd rather have even an "opaque" picture of someone than one that was more kept in the dark. > > If ever there's something that pops up that may bother me, I usually just hit "delete" or change the channel etc and move on and try to not allow it harsh my mellow for the day, > depending on what it is, of course. There are also sometimes some things that can even get my personal goat and cause a sour reaction within myself, but those are usually pretty rare > and I try to let (or make) them pass as soon as possible....if possible. > > But ultimately, there are simply FAR MORE bigger and much more important, and also better things to focus on in today's crazy world here on Big Mama Earth. > > Just my Jefferson head nickel's worth :-) > > Cheers- > Rev.Fever > Portlandia > http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1 > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2 > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult > > On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:31 PM, bill bigrig wrote: > >> I have to go with Tyler on this one. I use plenty of profanity in day-to-day conversation, but on a public forum? It really isn't necessary. As people used to say about R.G. Letourneau, "that man can cuss me out harder than any man I know, and not say a single cuss word while doing it". It just seems to reflect a higher level of "musical integrity" by not stooping to profanity. My $.02 worth. >> Rig >> ________________________________ >> From: Phil Clevenger >> To: Tyler >> Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 12:24 PM >> Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not) >> >> Tyler I'm not an old timer here but in my opinion there are no bad words, only bad communication. I would tell my own son to make his own choices, communicate effectively, and try not to worry about the choices of others :) >> >> Policy on the board may differ... >> >> Phil :) >> >> >> On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Tyler wrote: >> >> > Hello! I don't know if anyone has ever paid attention to this, but have you seen how many people have gotten >> > away with swear words on this forum? I remember when we were having a thread about why >> > loopers-delight.com was so out-of-date, but the forum part was as lively as heck. Someone used the >> > F word "Why does everything have to be so f***ing up-to-date?" (I censored the word out so I >> > don't have a bad track-record on this mailing list). And I read the help file (the one that you see >> > when you send an invalid command to the subscription server), and even THAT file had some (yet very mild) >> > language toward the end. Now, I've seen bad language in forums, and if I would have signed up >> > five years ago, I would be long gone by now; I'm less sensitive. But this site is where >> > musicians can communicate with each other, and talk about electronic music technology, share >> > links, write articles about their technology ... but randomly putting the F word in the middle of an >> > article about Mobius? I'm confused! In the days of Kim, would he get upset when someone used a >> > word like that? >> > Tyler Z >> > >> >> >> > --14dae9399de199bd1804c7d469c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I love this topic. That is all.

Lindsey

On Aug 20, 2012 5:48 PM, "Revfever" <revfever@ubergadget.com> wrote:
>
> Personal Philosophy (aka-rant) Dept:
>
> Words of any kind have never really affected me all thatmuch, for bett= er or worse, public or private. Or, at least I try to not let them do so, e= xcept for whenever words are used specifically and only for the purposes of= unfairly and unjustifiably attacking or denigrating, or hurting someone or= something, or to deceive or to be dishonest etc, whether those words were = also laced with profanities, or not. =A0=A0(Most politicians, especially Re= thuglicans with their "values!" blah blah blah, are real "ad= ept" and very experienced at doing this.)
>
> It's only the intent and purpose that are important and if anyone = gets "offended" by something...(wait for it...here comes the Zen)= ...it is only themselves that are allowing that to happen.=A0
> Better to just rise above the occasion and move on, at least in most c= ases.
>
> For me personally, I just do not believe in being too hyper-sensitive = and overly PC, and that too is only my personal opinion and viewpoint. But,= that is also not a "license" to be some jackass and to make a ca= lculated effort to try to "offend" someone, especially for only t= he purposes of doing so. However, I also think that trying to always be wha= tever(?) "perfect"=A0
> and / or "correct" etc are, can also have the possibility to= eventually make someone nuts, or at least be way too much wound up inside = too often, and that really cannot be to anyone's personal overall healt= h benefit, IMO, along with how it may also resonate with others. I've e= ncountered enough overly PC etc people before thru out the years and usuall= y I ended up with having to get as far away from most of them as possible, = even if their intentions may have been well placed (or perceived to be so?)= at the time. Anyone can overdo anything,=A0
> for the better or for the worse. Trying to maintain Balance (along wit= h personal sanity) here is at least one of the keys, IMO.
>
> It's also just not=A0how the Real World exists or operates and I c= ertainly do not support any kind of suppression of speech of any kind in wh= atever way someone else chooses to express themselves=A0or their opinions, = etc, good or not so. That's them saying it and not me, and often, allow= ing someone to freely express themselves, for better or worse, can give a m= ore=A0clearer picture of that person's overall personality...or at leas= t to maybe some degree. I'd rather have even an "opaque" pict= ure of someone than one that was more kept in the dark.
>
> If ever there's something that pops up that may bother me, I usual= ly just hit "delete" or change the channel etc and move on and tr= y to not allow it harsh my mellow for the day,=A0
> depending on what it is, of course. There are also sometimes some thin= gs that can even get my personal goat and cause a sour reaction within myse= lf, but those are usually pretty rare
> and I try to let (or make) them pass as soon as possible....if possibl= e.=A0
>
> But ultimately, there are simply FAR MORE=A0bigger=A0and much more imp= ortant, and also better things to focus on in today's crazy world here = on Big Mama Earth.
>
> Just my Jefferson head nickel's worth :-) =A0
>
> Cheers-
> Rev.Fever
> Portlandia
> http://www.spiritone.com= /~rvfever
> http://www.cdbaby.com/= cd/elemental1
> http://www.cdbaby.com/= cd/elemental2
> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/sk= ult
>
> On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:31 PM, bill bigrig wrote:
>
>> I have to go with Tyler on this one. I use plenty of profanity in = day-to-day conversation, but on a public forum? It really isn't necessa= ry. As people used to say about R.G. Letourneau, "that man can cuss me= out harder than any man I know, and not say a single cuss word while doing= it". It just seems to reflect a higher level of "musical integri= ty" by not stooping to profanity. My $.02 worth.
>> Rig
>> ________________________________
>> From: Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com>
>> To: Tyler <program= mer651@comcast.net>
>> Cc: loopers= -delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 12:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not)<= br> >>
>> Tyler I'm not an old timer here but in my opinion there are no= bad words, only bad communication. I would tell my own son to make his own= choices, communicate effectively, and try not to worry about the choices o= f others :)
>>
>> Policy on the board may differ...
>>
>> Phil :)
>>
>>
>> On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Tyler wrote:
>>
>> > Hello! I don't know if anyone has ever paid attention to = this, but have you seen how many people have gotten
>> > away with swear words on this forum? I remember when we were = having a thread about why
>> > loopers-delight.com was so out-of-date, but the forum part was as lively as heck. Someone use= d the
>> > F word "Why does everything have to be so f***ing up-to-= date?" (I censored the word out so I
>> > don't have a bad track-record on this mailing list). And = I read the help file (the one that you see
>> > when you send an invalid command to the subscription server),= and even THAT file had some (yet very mild)
>> > language toward the end. Now, I've seen bad language in f= orums, and if I would have signed up
>> > five years ago, I would be long gone by now; I'm less sen= sitive. But this site is where
>> > musicians can communicate with each other, and talk about ele= ctronic music technology, share
>> > links, write articles about their technology ... but randomly= putting the F word in the middle of an
>> > article about Mobius? I'm confused! In the days of Kim, w= ould he get upset when someone used a
>> > word like that?
>> > Tyler Z
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>

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You know, like "well that's shit but if you ask for a feedback maybe you = should make theatre and not music", things like that.=0A=0AI am here to gro= w.=0AOk, I know, I am not a guitarist and I will never be part of the big f= amily of guitar loopers and sonic landscapes, I am more a hippie freak who = started to make music at 35 after years of intensive listening of depressiv= e music like Portishead, and just after falling in love for Techno, beatbox= , beatbox looping, and electronic music.=0ASo I am musically confused, naiv= e, and totally unexpert.=0A=0ABut I bet that with your lovely guide I can g= row sooner.=0ABut forget it, I'll never play guitar. Eventually some acusti= c bass when I will have time to learn.=0A=0A=0ALove=0Aand sex.=0A=0ASergio --1375426159-1153994984-1345640275=:5925 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi sergio, I think yo= u better try mobius looper, it's free and many users in this forum use it, =
I'm also a beginner...
www.circularlabs.com

this looper has the fu= nctions that you looking for, it needs to read the manual...

luis


From: Sergio G <simpliflying@gmail.c= om>
To: loopers-del= ight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Tuesday, 21 August 2012 6:34 PM
= Subject: When you've finished with those f...ing words

<= div id=3D"yiv928631637">=0A=0A=0A
=0AHello dears.

I am glad to see I am not th= e only one who at 36 years keeps himself busy with ageless activities norma= lly more widely adopted by younger people.
I am obviously talking= of saying that word, not of doing it.

Whatever.
As I am still a child like you, I also need love and attention or = I will finish eating too much ice scream to compensate.
So, be ki= nd and when you have time have a listen to my first experiments with the bo= omerang:
http://soundcloud.com/ser_yo/sets/first-experiments

Probably some of you already listened, as I had sent a= n email already about that.
But, well, I received no answer at al= l, no feedback, and that was a bit sad for someone childish like me.
<= div>I was not expecting false compliments but at least some interest and fe= edback. You know, like "well that's shit but if you ask for a feedback mayb= e you should make theatre and not music", things like that.

=
I am here to grow.
Ok, I know, I am not a guitarist and I wi= ll never be part of the big family of guitar loopers and sonic landscapes, = I am more a hippie freak who started to make music at 35 after years of int= ensive listening of depressive music like Portishead, and just after fallin= g in love for Techno, beatbox, beatbox looping, and electronic music.
=
So I am musically confused, naive, and totally unexpert.
But I bet that with your lovely guide I can grow sooner.
<= div>But forget it, I'll never play guitar. Eventually some acustic bass whe= n I will have time to learn.


Love
and sex.

Sergio
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--1375426159-1153994984-1345640275=:5925-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 13:42:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FCFE183479; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:references :to:in-reply-to:x-mailer; bh=+0zidM69ni9KuyRPjTV3s2mkLIjarSGH6mNR45y/L2I=; b=FvnEqc5Q49ZtnqAEobyP7Jld98OXjbyc12ev7q4qtjT4HGbJktBpwwDcHILLDsvXTZ NfnUE+VKEkGaakhnXI5E1dps/idDl8emlhkQWNNqg4TVzs+uRIY9dIzrux6LQca6xMdS BLQVk1rVsJ1DBMWOBtqL3TPDVW8oSNuhiukrtk5oT0HT5UPE6+XZZZ0TH45WfSSjPmqw dG8vLjix/puSlFZABasgctGoVfI+vciGzbXcqaSV4D58AHMtEuA2W6sRy/wApGNPhA71 OtqmE28y93cP4NA30BMcoJ3C60vxvEIsB2J3ilCMtMAaDVvJZGbsxHYDuoy2plmDLxnb bfXw== From: George Matthews Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2642BC23-6149-4A8B-9E97-059BA5F05099" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1485\)) Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:42:02 -0400 References: <20120820191624.2384.12966.levelstar.mail@everest> <23844623-3A90-43AF-BE5A-C625A34AD720@gmail.com> <1345491087.24915.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1485) Resent-Message-ID: <64X93C.A.yoE.nGONQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:42:00 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_2642BC23-6149-4A8B-9E97-059BA5F05099 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I've been away from the list for a bit but it has been an = un-f'in-beliveable ride catching up with the LD list this morning!=20 -Todd Matthews On Aug 22, 2012, at 1:57 AM, Lindsey Walker = wrote: > I love this topic. That is all. >=20 > Lindsey >=20 > On Aug 20, 2012 5:48 PM, "Revfever" wrote: > > > > Personal Philosophy (aka-rant) Dept: > > > > Words of any kind have never really affected me all thatmuch, for = better or worse, public or private. Or, at least I try to not let them = do so, except for whenever words are used specifically and only for the = purposes of unfairly and unjustifiably attacking or denigrating, or = hurting someone or something, or to deceive or to be dishonest etc, = whether those words were also laced with profanities, or not. (Most = politicians, especially Rethuglicans with their "values!" blah blah = blah, are real "adept" and very experienced at doing this.) > > > > It's only the intent and purpose that are important and if anyone = gets "offended" by something...(wait for it...here comes the Zen)...it = is only themselves that are allowing that to happen.=20 > > Better to just rise above the occasion and move on, at least in most = cases. > > > > For me personally, I just do not believe in being too = hyper-sensitive and overly PC, and that too is only my personal opinion = and viewpoint. But, that is also not a "license" to be some jackass and = to make a calculated effort to try to "offend" someone, especially for = only the purposes of doing so. However, I also think that trying to = always be whatever(?) "perfect"=20 > > and / or "correct" etc are, can also have the possibility to = eventually make someone nuts, or at least be way too much wound up = inside too often, and that really cannot be to anyone's personal overall = health benefit, IMO, along with how it may also resonate with others. = I've encountered enough overly PC etc people before thru out the years = and usually I ended up with having to get as far away from most of them = as possible, even if their intentions may have been well placed (or = perceived to be so?) at the time. Anyone can overdo anything,=20 > > for the better or for the worse. Trying to maintain Balance (along = with personal sanity) here is at least one of the keys, IMO. > > > > It's also just not how the Real World exists or operates and I = certainly do not support any kind of suppression of speech of any kind = in whatever way someone else chooses to express themselves or their = opinions, etc, good or not so. That's them saying it and not me, and = often, allowing someone to freely express themselves, for better or = worse, can give a more clearer picture of that person's overall = personality...or at least to maybe some degree. I'd rather have even an = "opaque" picture of someone than one that was more kept in the dark. > > > > If ever there's something that pops up that may bother me, I usually = just hit "delete" or change the channel etc and move on and try to not = allow it harsh my mellow for the day,=20 > > depending on what it is, of course. There are also sometimes some = things that can even get my personal goat and cause a sour reaction = within myself, but those are usually pretty rare > > and I try to let (or make) them pass as soon as possible....if = possible.=20 > > > > But ultimately, there are simply FAR MORE bigger and much more = important, and also better things to focus on in today's crazy world = here on Big Mama Earth. > > > > Just my Jefferson head nickel's worth :-) =20 > > > > Cheers- > > Rev.Fever > > Portlandia > > http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever > > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1 > > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2 > > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult > > > > On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:31 PM, bill bigrig wrote: > > > >> I have to go with Tyler on this one. I use plenty of profanity in = day-to-day conversation, but on a public forum? It really isn't = necessary. As people used to say about R.G. Letourneau, "that man can = cuss me out harder than any man I know, and not say a single cuss word = while doing it". It just seems to reflect a higher level of "musical = integrity" by not stooping to profanity. My $.02 worth. > >> Rig > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Phil Clevenger > >> To: Tyler =20 > >> Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20 > >> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 12:24 PM > >> Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not) > >> > >> Tyler I'm not an old timer here but in my opinion there are no bad = words, only bad communication. I would tell my own son to make his own = choices, communicate effectively, and try not to worry about the choices = of others :) > >> > >> Policy on the board may differ... > >> > >> Phil :) > >> > >> > >> On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Tyler wrote: > >> > >> > Hello! I don't know if anyone has ever paid attention to this, = but have you seen how many people have gotten=20 > >> > away with swear words on this forum? I remember when we were = having a thread about why=20 > >> > loopers-delight.com was so out-of-date, but the forum part was as = lively as heck. Someone used the=20 > >> > F word "Why does everything have to be so f***ing up-to-date?" (I = censored the word out so I=20 > >> > don't have a bad track-record on this mailing list). And I read = the help file (the one that you see=20 > >> > when you send an invalid command to the subscription server), and = even THAT file had some (yet very mild)=20 > >> > language toward the end. Now, I've seen bad language in forums, = and if I would have signed up=20 > >> > five years ago, I would be long gone by now; I'm less sensitive. = But this site is where=20 > >> > musicians can communicate with each other, and talk about = electronic music technology, share=20 > >> > links, write articles about their technology ... but randomly = putting the F word in the middle of an=20 > >> > article about Mobius? I'm confused! In the days of Kim, would he = get upset when someone used a=20 > >> > word like that? > >> > Tyler Z > >> >=20 > >> > >> > >> > > --Apple-Mail=_2642BC23-6149-4A8B-9E97-059BA5F05099 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 I've been away from the list for a bit but it has been an un-f'in-beliveable ride catching up with the LD list this morning! 

-Todd Matthews


On Aug 22, 2012, at 1:57 AM, Lindsey Walker <lindsey.walker@gmail.com> wrote:

I love this topic. That is all.

Lindsey

On Aug 20, 2012 5:48 PM, "Revfever" <revfever@ubergadget.com> wrote:
>
> Personal Philosophy (aka-rant) Dept:
>
> Words of any kind have never really affected me all thatmuch, for better or worse, public or private. Or, at least I try to not let them do so, except for whenever words are used specifically and only for the purposes of unfairly and unjustifiably attacking or denigrating, or hurting someone or something, or to deceive or to be dishonest etc, whether those words were also laced with profanities, or not.   (Most politicians, especially Rethuglicans with their "values!" blah blah blah, are real "adept" and very experienced at doing this.)
>
> It's only the intent and purpose that are important and if anyone gets "offended" by something...(wait for it...here comes the Zen)...it is only themselves that are allowing that to happen. 
> Better to just rise above the occasion and move on, at least in most cases.
>
> For me personally, I just do not believe in being too hyper-sensitive and overly PC, and that too is only my personal opinion and viewpoint. But, that is also not a "license" to be some jackass and to make a calculated effort to try to "offend" someone, especially for only the purposes of doing so. However, I also think that trying to always be whatever(?) "perfect" 
> and / or "correct" etc are, can also have the possibility to eventually make someone nuts, or at least be way too much wound up inside too often, and that really cannot be to anyone's personal overall health benefit, IMO, along with how it may also resonate with others. I've encountered enough overly PC etc people before thru out the years and usually I ended up with having to get as far away from most of them as possible, even if their intentions may have been well placed (or perceived to be so?) at the time. Anyone can overdo anything, 
> for the better or for the worse. Trying to maintain Balance (along with personal sanity) here is at least one of the keys, IMO.
>
> It's also just not how the Real World exists or operates and I certainly do not support any kind of suppression of speech of any kind in whatever way someone else chooses to express themselves or their opinions, etc, good or not so. That's them saying it and not me, and often, allowing someone to freely express themselves, for better or worse, can give a more clearer picture of that person's overall personality...or at least to maybe some degree. I'd rather have even an "opaque" picture of someone than one that was more kept in the dark.
>
> If ever there's something that pops up that may bother me, I usually just hit "delete" or change the channel etc and move on and try to not allow it harsh my mellow for the day, 
> depending on what it is, of course. There are also sometimes some things that can even get my personal goat and cause a sour reaction within myself, but those are usually pretty rare
> and I try to let (or make) them pass as soon as possible....if possible. 
>
> But ultimately, there are simply FAR MORE bigger and much more important, and also better things to focus on in today's crazy world here on Big Mama Earth.
>
> Just my Jefferson head nickel's worth :-)  
>
> Cheers-
> Rev.Fever
> Portlandia
> http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever
> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1
> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2
> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult
>
> On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:31 PM, bill bigrig wrote:
>
>> I have to go with Tyler on this one. I use plenty of profanity in day-to-day conversation, but on a public forum? It really isn't necessary. As people used to say about R.G. Letourneau, "that man can cuss me out harder than any man I know, and not say a single cuss word while doing it". It just seems to reflect a higher level of "musical integrity" by not stooping to profanity. My $.02 worth.
>> Rig
>> ________________________________
>> From: Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com>
>> To: Tyler <programmer651@comcast.net>
>> Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 12:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: Looper's Delight offensive language policy (not)
>>
>> Tyler I'm not an old timer here but in my opinion there are no bad words, only bad communication. I would tell my own son to make his own choices, communicate effectively, and try not to worry about the choices of others :)
>>
>> Policy on the board may differ...
>>
>> Phil :)
>>
>>
>> On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Tyler wrote:
>>
>> > Hello! I don't know if anyone has ever paid attention to this, but have you seen how many people have gotten
>> > away with swear words on this forum? I remember when we were having a thread about why
>> > loopers-delight.com was so out-of-date, but the forum part was as lively as heck. Someone used the
>> > F word "Why does everything have to be so f***ing up-to-date?" (I censored the word out so I
>> > don't have a bad track-record on this mailing list). And I read the help file (the one that you see
>> > when you send an invalid command to the subscription server), and even THAT file had some (yet very mild)
>> > language toward the end. Now, I've seen bad language in forums, and if I would have signed up
>> > five years ago, I would be long gone by now; I'm less sensitive. But this site is where
>> > musicians can communicate with each other, and talk about electronic music technology, share
>> > links, write articles about their technology ... but randomly putting the F word in the middle of an
>> > article about Mobius? I'm confused! In the days of Kim, would he get upset when someone used a
>> > word like that?
>> > Tyler Z
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>


--Apple-Mail=_2642BC23-6149-4A8B-9E97-059BA5F05099-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 22:44:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 765A818347B; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:44:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ddHydAmmjGMGGbetOPSZzdZdT17c9lw50EtOtKevRQI=; b=BppoFxXhnE4u8oMAyAjMFMgl7QW0PTCQiNGFNPoXRsnU0zqs5yCeRseoYoAGrXVV8C hNfjSzEmbTniB9f5p6gD3BBLch/jjYX6QiFvLSaSZJOcHjFNjpQA4eAfcwHnnlxh6mi/ i3brzZQd3ogXo0XeumWYdgiL4cp5DPXnECt3c1MQ/kuzskntgREi7UeTxAXjQe+ElKKn LCNs9XFJDC5W1q0YZBxPGqu0P+Pjnq5PJPHbDzQR6GoLEoA6PD+rhAXH+ASAUFDPB8kX ZUE+YVtlpRz0rMaiXKXrOwroxxF1fxEdc/ysnSbzJ5MpR+OXvN72TAlwkHEvaBr4Fvdi l+FQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120818152508.6136.32960.levelstar.mail@everest> References: <20120818152508.6136.32960.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:44:10 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: City Lights Music Festival and its comparison to a loop fest From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f5028be3d8d2f04c7e27bc4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:44:12 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f5028be3d8d2f04c7e27bc4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hmmm, I think we need to accept that some things are different than other things, and that's ok. For example, if you see an apple, and you really like oranges, you could tell the apple that it has seeds, and a skin, and is the reproductive part of the plant, which makes it pretty much the same thing as an orange. However, the apple has been an apple for a while, and understands apple-ness pretty well. However, nothing that the apple thinks should prevent you from enjoying oranges. In a way that "jungle music" wasn't necessarily made in jungles, and experimental music isn't the result of people in lab coats following the scientific method, "Live Looping" for many people means a very specific interaction between instrument and technology - where the performer is both generating the instrumental sounds live and sampling them live. Yes, a DJ can can create loops in real time, but more often than not, the music itself was created by someone other than the DJ. In my experience, about 9 out of 10 DJs are not composers or instrumentalists while they are DJ'ing. They are playing other people's music, and making only tiny changes to completed pieces of music to blend them together into a longer set. The value of a DJ set is the value of a curator - the DJ goes out and finds good music that you haven't heard yet and plays it. The DJs who compose are few and far between - the ones who actually create original music are even fewer and more far in between. (Those such as RJD2 often get credit for composing something when all they did was loop someone else's music and put a extra drum beat on it.) Sorry - got off on a tangent there. In short, many things that use loops are not "live looping". You can still like whatever you want to like. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Tyler wrote: > Hello, everybody! I know it's kind of too late, but I want to post about > the City Lights > Music Festival for future reference. This year, it was yesterday and > today. I was there yesterday, and I > have recordings. Remember when I said that a Grand Rapids, Michigan loop > fest would be amazing? > Well, it's not really touted as a loop fest, but the City Lights Music > Festival (touted as an > electronic music festival) has a lot of qualities that a loop fest has. > There's something many > people don't realize; you say the biggest city in Michigan is Detroit, and > that's right! But Grand > Rapids is the SECOND biggest. It's a growing city, and we hope more events > can take place > there; maybe a real loop fest! Who knows? But the City Lights Music > Festival frequently > made use of something that is very similar to live looping. Most of the > samples that the festival DJ'S > used were prerecorded, but if the DJ'S just put on the music and left it > alone, the sample would just > play. But the DJ'S kept hitting repeat buttons on specific parts of the > samples, making it > "live" looping, so to speak. I don't have my recording of the CLMF online, > but you can find out more about > it here: > http://www.citylightsmusicfestival.com > Tyler Z > > --e89a8f5028be3d8d2f04c7e27bc4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmmm, I think we need to accept that some things are different than other t= hings, and that's ok. For example, if you see an apple, and you really = like oranges, you could tell the apple that it has seeds, and a skin, and i= s the reproductive part of the plant, which makes it pretty much the same t= hing as an orange. However, the apple has been an apple for a while, and un= derstands apple-ness pretty well. However, nothing that the apple thinks sh= ould prevent you from enjoying oranges.

In a way that "jungle music" wasn't necessarily made in j= ungles, and experimental music isn't the result of people in lab coats = following the scientific method, "Live Looping" for many people m= eans a very specific interaction between instrument and technology - where = the performer is both generating the instrumental sounds live and sampling = them live.

Yes, a DJ can can create loops in real time, but more often than not, t= he music itself was created by someone other than the DJ. In my experience,= about 9 out of 10 DJs are not composers or instrumentalists while they are= DJ'ing. They are playing other people's music, and making only tin= y changes to completed pieces of music to blend them together into a longer= set. The value of a DJ set is the value of a curator - the DJ goes out and= finds good music that you haven't heard yet and plays it. The DJs who = compose are few and far between - the ones who actually create original mus= ic are even fewer and more far in between. (Those such as RJD2 often get cr= edit for composing something when all they did was loop someone else's = music and put a extra drum beat on it.)

Sorry - got off on a tangent there. In short, many things that use loop= s are not "live looping". You can still like whatever you want to= like.

--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusi= c.com
Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com


On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Tyler <programmer651@comcast.net<= /a>> wrote:
Hello, everybody! I know it's kind of too late, but I want to post abou= t the City Lights
Music Festival for future reference. This year, it was yesterday and today.= I was there yesterday, and I
have recordings. Remember when I said that a Grand Rapids, Michigan loop fe= st would be amazing?
Well, it's not really touted as a loop fest, but the City Lights Music = Festival (touted as an
electronic music festival) has a lot of qualities that a loop fest has. The= re's something many
people don't realize; you say the biggest city in Michigan is Detroit, = and that's right! But Grand
Rapids is the SECOND biggest. It's a growing city, and we hope more eve= nts can take place
there; maybe a real loop fest! Who knows? But the City Lights Music Festiva= l frequently
made use of something that is very similar to live looping. Most of the sam= ples that the festival DJ'S
used were prerecorded, but if the DJ'S just put on the music and left i= t alone, the sample would just
play. But the DJ'S kept hitting repeat buttons on specific parts of the= samples, making it
"live" looping, so to speak. I don't have my recording of the= CLMF online, but you can find out more about
it here:
http:/= /www.citylightsmusicfestival.com
Tyler Z





--e89a8f5028be3d8d2f04c7e27bc4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 02:58:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CDD418347D; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 02:58:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0187609506==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120823025843.1695.11738.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:58:43 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: City Lights Music Festival and its comparison to a loop fest Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 02:58:56 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0187609506== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Give=20me=20the=20page=20on=20loopers-delight.com=20(NOT=20a=20mailing=20li= st=20archive;=20a=20page=20from=20 Tools,=20Tips=20and=20Tricks,=20etc.)=20that=20says=20"This=20site=20is=20f= or=20live=20looping=20only!=20I=20repeat,=20 LIVE!"=20Where=20does=20it=20say=20that?=20The=20home=20page=20says=20the= =20opposite.=20I=20discovered=20this=20website=20when=20 Googling=20tape=20loops,=20and=20tape=20loops=20are=20usually=20prerecorded. Tyler=20Z On=20Wed,=2022=20Aug=202012=2015:44:10=20-0700,=20Matt=20Davignon=20wrote: >Hmmm,=20I=20think=20we=20need=20to=20accept=20that=20some=20things=20are= =20different=20than=20other=20 >things,=20and=20that's=20ok.=20For=20example,=20if=20you=20see=20an=20appl= e,=20and=20you=20really=20like=20 >oranges,=20you=20could=20tell=20the=20apple=20that=20it=20has=20seeds,=20a= nd=20a=20skin,=20and=20is=20the=20 >reproductive=20part=20of=20the=20plant,=20which=20makes=20it=20pretty=20mu= ch=20the=20same=20thing=20as=20an=20 >orange.=20However,=20the=20apple=20has=20been=20an=20apple=20for=20a=20whi= le,=20and=20understands=20 >apple-ness=20pretty=20well.=20However,=20nothing=20that=20the=20apple=20th= inks=20should=20prevent=20 >you=20from=20enjoying=20oranges.=20 >In=20a=20way=20that=20"jungle=20music"=20wasn't=20necessarily=20made=20in= =20jungles,=20and=20 >experimental=20music=20isn't=20the=20result=20of=20people=20in=20lab=20coa= ts=20following=20the=20 >scientific=20method,=20"Live=20Looping"=20for=20many=20people=20means=20a= =20very=20specific=20 >interaction=20between=20instrument=20and=20technology=20-=20where=20the=20= performer=20is=20both=20 >generating=20the=20instrumental=20sounds=20live=20and=20sampling=20them=20= live.=20 >Yes,=20a=20DJ=20can=20can=20create=20loops=20in=20real=20time,=20but=20mor= e=20often=20than=20not,=20the=20music=20 >itself=20was=20created=20by=20someone=20other=20than=20the=20DJ.=20In=20my= =20experience,=20about=209=20out=20 >of=2010=20DJs=20are=20not=20composers=20or=20instrumentalists=20while=20th= ey=20are=20DJ'ing.=20They=20are=20 >playing=20other=20people's=20music,=20and=20making=20only=20tiny=20changes= =20to=20completed=20pieces=20 >of=20music=20to=20blend=20them=20together=20into=20a=20longer=20set.=20The= =20value=20of=20a=20DJ=20set=20is=20the=20 >value=20of=20a=20curator=20-=20the=20DJ=20goes=20out=20and=20finds=20good= =20music=20that=20you=20haven't=20 >heard=20yet=20and=20plays=20it.=20The=20DJs=20who=20compose=20are=20few=20= and=20far=20between=20-=20the=20ones=20 >who=20actually=20create=20original=20music=20are=20even=20fewer=20and=20mo= re=20far=20in=20between.=20 >(Those=20such=20as=20RJD2=20often=20get=20credit=20for=20composing=20somet= hing=20when=20all=20they=20did=20 >was=20loop=20someone=20else's=20music=20and=20put=20a=20extra=20drum=20bea= t=20on=20it.) >Sorry=20-=20got=20off=20on=20a=20tangent=20there.=20In=20short,=20many=20t= hings=20that=20use=20loops=20are=20 >not=20"live=20looping".=20You=20can=20still=20like=20whatever=20you=20want= =20to=20like.=20 >--=20 >Matt=20Davignon >mattdavignon@gmail.com >www.ribosomemusic.com >Podcast!=20http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com >On=20Sat,=20Aug=2018,=202012=20at=208:25=20AM,=20Tyler=20=20wrote: >Hello,=20everybody!=20I=20know=20it's=20kind=20of=20too=20late,=20but=20I= =20want=20to=20post=20about=20the=20 >City=20Lights >Music=20Festival=20for=20future=20reference.=20This=20year,=20it=20was=20y= esterday=20and=20today.=20I=20 >was=20there=20yesterday,=20and=20I >have=20recordings.=20Remember=20when=20I=20said=20that=20a=20Grand=20Rapid= s,=20Michigan=20loop=20fest=20 >would=20be=20amazing? >Well,=20it's=20not=20really=20touted=20as=20a=20loop=20fest,=20but=20the= =20City=20Lights=20Music=20Festival=20 >(touted=20as=20an >electronic=20music=20festival)=20has=20a=20lot=20of=20qualities=20that=20a= =20loop=20fest=20has.=20There's=20 >something=20many >people=20don't=20realize;=20you=20say=20the=20biggest=20city=20in=20Michig= an=20is=20Detroit,=20and=20 >that's=20right!=20But=20Grand >Rapids=20is=20the=20SECOND=20biggest.=20It's=20a=20growing=20city,=20and= =20we=20hope=20more=20events=20can=20 >take=20place >there;=20maybe=20a=20real=20loop=20fest!=20Who=20knows?=20But=20the=20City= =20Lights=20Music=20Festival=20 >frequently >made=20use=20of=20something=20that=20is=20very=20similar=20to=20live=20loo= ping.=20Most=20of=20the=20samples=20 >that=20the=20festival=20DJ'S >used=20were=20prerecorded,=20but=20if=20the=20DJ'S=20just=20put=20on=20the= =20music=20and=20left=20it=20alone,=20 >the=20sample=20would=20just >play.=20But=20the=20DJ'S=20kept=20hitting=20repeat=20buttons=20on=20specif= ic=20parts=20of=20the=20 >samples,=20making=20it >"live"=20looping,=20so=20to=20speak.=20I=20don't=20have=20my=20recording= =20of=20the=20CLMF=20online,=20but=20 >you=20can=20find=20out=20more=20about >it=20here: >http://www.citylightsmusicfestival.com >Tyler=20Z --===============0187609506==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 04:15:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93DA7183475; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 04:15:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 04:15:50 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:15:12 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Doctor T Birthday Concerts Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com, MaiyimBaron@JapaneseInterpreter.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 04:15:51 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, Help me celebrate my 70th birthday by attending one of my birthday concerts! I'm having one at Outpost 186 in Cambridge on Saturday, September 8, from 7:30 until about 10:30, and one at 119 Gallery in Lowell on October 6 from about 8:15 - 11:30 I'll be doing video improvisations with lots of great musicians in combinations new and old. The October show will also feature a video collaboration with Greg Kowalski, where we will improvise projections on the same screen in our distinct styles. Musicians for the September show include (I'm sure I left some out ) Michael Bierylo Ken Field Rick Scott John Voigt Kit Demos Neil Leonard Tom Plsek Glynis Lomon Forbes Graham Michael Bloom Jon Proudman Tim Mungenast Musicians for the October show include Dave Bryant Eric Rosenthal Glynis Lomon Kit Demos Andrea Pensado Walter Wright Junko Fujiwara Eric Crawley Karen Langlie and others TBA If you are a musician who has performed with me and would like to participate, I can add you to the October bill. -- My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com "My destination is always the same, but I work out a different route to get there" -- Henri Matisse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 04:20:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6299218347A; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 04:20:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0187609506==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120823042018.4894.11738.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:20:19 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: Doctor T Birthday Concerts Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 04:20:30 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0187609506== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since=20this=20is=20an=20international=20looping=20network,=20please=20tell= =20us=20where=20in=20the=20world=20Lowell=20is. Tyler=20Z On=20Wed,=2022=20Aug=202012=2023:15:12=20-0400,=20Emile=20Tobenfeld=20(a.k.= a=20Dr.=20T)=20wrote: >Hi=20folks, > >Help=20me=20celebrate=20my=2070th=20birthday=20by=20attending=20one=20of= =20my=20birthday=20concerts! > >I'm=20having=20one=20at=20Outpost=20186=20in=20Cambridge=20on=20Saturday,= =20September=208,=20 >from=207:30=20until=20about=2010:30,=20and=20one=20at=20119=20Gallery=20in= =20Lowell=20on=20 >October=206=20from=20about=208:15=20-=2011:30 > >I'll=20be=20doing=20video=20improvisations=20with=20lots=20of=20great=20mu= sicians=20in=20 >combinations=20new=20and=20old.=20The=20October=20show=20will=20also=20fea= ture=20a=20video=20 >collaboration=20with=20Greg=20Kowalski,=20where=20we=20will=20improvise=20= projections=20 >on=20the=20same=20screen=20in=20our=20distinct=20styles. > >Musicians=20for=20the=20September=20show=20include=20(I'm=20sure=20I=20lef= t=20some=20out=20) >Michael=20Bierylo >Ken=20Field >Rick=20Scott >John=20Voigt >Kit=20Demos >Neil=20Leonard >Tom=20Plsek >Glynis=20Lomon >Forbes=20Graham >Michael=20Bloom >Jon=20Proudman >Tim=20Mungenast > >Musicians=20for=20the=20October=20show=20include >Dave=20Bryant >Eric=20Rosenthal >Glynis=20Lomon >Kit=20Demos >Andrea=20Pensado >Walter=20Wright >Junko=20Fujiwara >Eric=20Crawley >Karen=20Langlie >and=20others=20TBA > >If=20you=20are=20a=20musician=20who=20has=20performed=20with=20me=20and=20= would=20like=20to=20 >participate,=20I=20can=20add=20you=20to=20the=20October=20bill. >--=20 >My=20photography=20can=20be=20viewed=20at=20 >http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ > >My=20videos=20can=20be=20viewed=20at >http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld > >Emile=20Tobenfeld,=20Ph.=20D. >Video=20Producer=09=09=09Image=20Processing=20Specialist >Video=20for=20your=20HEAD!=09=09=09Boris=20FX >http://www.foryourhead.com=09=09http://www.borisfx.com > >"My=20destination=20is=20always=20the=20same,=20but=20I=20work=20out=20a= =20different=20route=20 >to=20get=20there"=20=20--=20Henri=20Matisse --===============0187609506==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 05:02:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BC4D183475; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 05:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=+RokQGmDTYeDVF8fTNv/Z4ZTc7/5vSsqa2ZV2h+t1D0=; b=Ck3H6pv2E1n34H7sW4bDteR2xljrzEDwU5XI49TsQvGrDnaNSLrIZ/buXUwQ1dV6dF GKPmFz8UVR1cVxb47s4IkCGAymLgwZFuw30XLM9XPeIB6nKt0UA+1MmWZYlDbUI1ci8h 4/EFB7oLsHs6oMuQMLdOF4Gu8/y97sUK/AB9/lHqCnebt4dWi8R3w8NCJiTn83AGyO8Z 2YV1+vDEfovJRFgwoNx6t6NSpdeY2opLNz/ygFAm37mGuEJvuFahXlwdixXiShwjIIjT GOvxeLLOKm5H05AmfNBNU7GbN/FKzYCkUXpl3HksrAWTtb9hpYqyAfRxrGNIGDDB8y6f 5Xfw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120823025843.1695.11738.levelstar.mail@everest> References: <20120823025843.1695.11738.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:02:22 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: City Lights Music Festival and its comparison to a loop fest From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1c71ec1b2df04c7e7c3b7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 05:02:23 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8ff1c71ec1b2df04c7e7c3b7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Are you responding to something someone else wrote? I didn't say that loopers delight is only for "live looping". Matt On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Tyler wrote: > Give me the page on loopers-delight.com (NOT a mailing list archive; a > page from > Tools, Tips and Tricks, etc.) that says "This site is for live looping > only! I repeat, > LIVE!" Where does it say that? The home page says the opposite. I > discovered this website when > Googling tape loops, and tape loops are usually prerecorded. > Tyler Z > On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:44:10 -0700, Matt Davignon wrote: > > > > >Hmmm, I think we need to accept that some things are different than other > >things, and that's ok. For example, if you see an apple, and you really > like > >oranges, you could tell the apple that it has seeds, and a skin, and is > the > >reproductive part of the plant, which makes it pretty much the same thing > as an > >orange. However, the apple has been an apple for a while, and understands > >apple-ness pretty well. However, nothing that the apple thinks should > prevent > >you from enjoying oranges. > >In a way that "jungle music" wasn't necessarily made in jungles, and > >experimental music isn't the result of people in lab coats following the > >scientific method, "Live Looping" for many people means a very specific > >interaction between instrument and technology - where the performer is > both > >generating the instrumental sounds live and sampling them live. > >Yes, a DJ can can create loops in real time, but more often than not, the > music > >itself was created by someone other than the DJ. In my experience, about > 9 out > >of 10 DJs are not composers or instrumentalists while they are DJ'ing. > They are > >playing other people's music, and making only tiny changes to completed > pieces > >of music to blend them together into a longer set. The value of a DJ set > is the > >value of a curator - the DJ goes out and finds good music that you haven't > >heard yet and plays it. The DJs who compose are few and far between - the > ones > >who actually create original music are even fewer and more far in between. > >(Those such as RJD2 often get credit for composing something when all > they did > >was loop someone else's music and put a extra drum beat on it.) > >Sorry - got off on a tangent there. In short, many things that use loops > are > >not "live looping". You can still like whatever you want to like. > >-- > >Matt Davignon > >mattdavignon@gmail.com > >www.ribosomemusic.com > >Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > >On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Tyler wrote: > >Hello, everybody! I know it's kind of too late, but I want to post about > the > >City Lights > >Music Festival for future reference. This year, it was yesterday and > today. I > >was there yesterday, and I > >have recordings. Remember when I said that a Grand Rapids, Michigan loop > fest > >would be amazing? > >Well, it's not really touted as a loop fest, but the City Lights Music > Festival > >(touted as an > >electronic music festival) has a lot of qualities that a loop fest has. > There's > >something many > >people don't realize; you say the biggest city in Michigan is Detroit, and > >that's right! But Grand > >Rapids is the SECOND biggest. It's a growing city, and we hope more > events can > >take place > >there; maybe a real loop fest! Who knows? But the City Lights Music > Festival > >frequently > >made use of something that is very similar to live looping. Most of the > samples > >that the festival DJ'S > >used were prerecorded, but if the DJ'S just put on the music and left it > alone, > >the sample would just > >play. But the DJ'S kept hitting repeat buttons on specific parts of the > >samples, making it > >"live" looping, so to speak. I don't have my recording of the CLMF > online, but > >you can find out more about > >it here: > >http://www.citylightsmusicfestival.com > >Tyler Z > > -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com --e89a8ff1c71ec1b2df04c7e7c3b7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are you responding to something someone else wrote? I didn't say that l= oopers delight is only for "live looping".

Matt

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Tyler <programmer651@comcast.net> wrote:
Give me the page on loopers-delight.com (NOT a mailing lis= t archive; a page from
Tools, Tips and Tricks, etc.) that says "This site is for live looping= only! I repeat,
LIVE!" Where does it say that? The home page says the opposite. I disc= overed this website when
Googling tape loops, and tape loops are usually prerecorded.
Tyler Z
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:44:10 -0700,= Matt Davignon wrote:



>Hmmm, I think we need to accept that some things are different than oth= er
>things, and that's ok. For example, if you see an apple, and you re= ally like
>oranges, you could tell the apple that it has seeds, and a skin, and is= the
>reproductive part of the plant, which makes it pretty much the same thi= ng as an
>orange. However, the apple has been an apple for a while, and understan= ds
>apple-ness pretty well. However, nothing that the apple thinks should p= revent
>you from enjoying oranges.
>In a way that "jungle music" wasn't necessarily made in j= ungles, and
>experimental music isn't the result of people in lab coats followin= g the
>scientific method, "Live Looping" for many people means a ver= y specific
>interaction between instrument and technology - where the performer is = both
>generating the instrumental sounds live and sampling them live.
>Yes, a DJ can can create loops in real time, but more often than not, t= he music
>itself was created by someone other than the DJ. In my experience, abou= t 9 out
>of 10 DJs are not composers or instrumentalists while they are DJ'i= ng. They are
>playing other people's music, and making only tiny changes to compl= eted pieces
>of music to blend them together into a longer set. The value of a DJ se= t is the
>value of a curator - the DJ goes out and finds good music that you have= n't
>heard yet and plays it. The DJs who compose are few and far between - t= he ones
>who actually create original music are even fewer and more far in betwe= en.
>(Those such as RJD2 often get credit for composing something when all t= hey did
>was loop someone else's music and put a extra drum beat on it.)
>Sorry - got off on a tangent there. In short, many things that use loop= s are
>not "live looping". You can still like whatever you want to l= ike.
>--
>Matt Davignon
>mattdavignon@gmail.com >www.ribosome= music.com
>Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
>On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Tyler <programmer651@comcast.net> wrote:
>Hello, everybody! I know it's kind of too late, but I want to post = about the
>City Lights
>Music Festival for future reference. This year, it was yesterday and to= day. I
>was there yesterday, and I
>have recordings. Remember when I said that a Grand Rapids, Michigan loo= p fest
>would be amazing?
>Well, it's not really touted as a loop fest, but the City Lights Mu= sic Festival
>(touted as an
>electronic music festival) has a lot of qualities that a loop fest has.= There's
>something many
>people don't realize; you say the biggest city in Michigan is Detro= it, and
>that's right! But Grand
>Rapids is the SECOND biggest. It's a growing city, and we hope more= events can
>take place
>there; maybe a real loop fest! Who knows? But the City Lights Music Fes= tival
>frequently
>made use of something that is very similar to live looping. Most of the= samples
>that the festival DJ'S
>used were prerecorded, but if the DJ'S just put on the music and le= ft it alone,
>the sample would just
>play. But the DJ'S kept hitting repeat buttons on specific parts of= the
>samples, making it
>"live" looping, so to speak. I don't have my recording of= the CLMF online, but
>you can find out more about
>it here:
>ht= tp://www.citylightsmusicfestival.com
>Tyler Z

= --Apple-Mail=_22D78F1C-2045-4EDC-9EF1-42C37AF0AB87-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 21:33:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A50D9183494; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:33:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=CTcABcfTJlil86y9hCizn+wNa9EI3a56PpPWQ+5v7rw=; b=zbkuG5dvKd6dvMc5vcyNbtQDPaJ48wELeSrBm66bhBQkt/w6U3sl0H/N6ibLw9+Dzd 5c2LwEcB6s2zhat2J4B0xR+ButdvedLgNKI/d05BBW3VnUivrznLOJAWwCXYrhTSqzDN nVz/0BR866aTdFNCos5Mzv1+fUQJWh7qXjYX5Sho+U8X9eOZqNUBls7esqkBG3i7WsJY ULodYlLPzYsbgIpd8e4L393ucBrv2ZJiBBxzoX898F5h0eHtDGWY7WZcLk749SsT4uz0 JKVhwoGD8Q4R8oURs/5mt6+Sl+vibjcdIvxhmtyn7Snf+HGoEUWGffVgW/0Aemf24eg+ E0WQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:33:57 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: "Infinite Space". Free sounds from awesome gear (for IR reverb etc etc) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:33:58 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I just found out that Puremagnetics now offers free recordings of white noise that can be used to set up IR reverbs in a DAW: http://www.puremagnetik.com/ I just finished importing them into Logic's/Mainstage's SpaceDesigner plugin and ended up with 48 new "Infinite Space" patches for the reverb. Nothing but marvelous! :-) The machines they have "robbed" are Eventide H3500, Lexicon PCM 90, Lexicon PCM 80 and a Kyma Sound Design Computer. Sample times spanning from 23 seconds to around one and a half minute. With this long samples you kind of get around the downside in Impulse Response reverb; that it is a playback process that doesn't induce the subtle random changes to the processing like the real machines do. The only catch is that you have to sign up for their newsletter. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 21:51:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10532183493; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:51:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=7e8aUQyTRnuYx/FjBzaaVXxAedO9Y4QKID/ZF4UFWsg=; b=RAquu1vPQXR2pNeANkAos3q0OuBbV8QOsBS8qbNLATCgNXnGxQkjaOZj88T9EW6yRm D/MO1atRDf1B2YAa/ub4GubAvtXpl/SQ028W+Jxc4OFzVuYPERg2G0lXccbJgdd7hcIj 8L8ow7LgiIc7Ed3SUCNzeYAVIefjz9UgbYmxDgGkuaLc6XKyXavRqhFrHMc0k6RoNa7x w5y/oFqNZpJU/sPM/B0T33b6PuaK2R4RSm+eAxmEwf5jZkKpt1faO9aI4xHejevYsoLn wO5nzTLoo4WWoveVIiYlpMJYIvwJkSlvIl1mw7hzwBxOIVOIW+sp8jOHxmTy/dJRzXlK SlWA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <50369575.9030606@cruzio.com> References: <20120823025843.1695.11738.levelstar.mail@everest> <50369575.9030606@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:51:38 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: City Lights Music Festival and its comparison to a loop fest From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:51:39 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:41 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > It takes skill to be a DJ and mad skills to be one of the best in the class > of performers..........but I agree with Matt when he says that 90% of all > DJs are NOT composers, that they are merely cleverly manipulating music > that has already been composed and recorded......and almost invariably > (though there are rare exception) they are NOT playing music > that they even created themselves. I think I can chime in to add a little more here regarding the real skills of real DJ's. When I was playing with an artist trio under major a record deal our record label used to hire very good folks to make remixes of our tracks. I think I collaborated with at least a dozen such craftsmen during that period, both DJ based and musician/music engineering based remixers. What I noticed with the remixer that came from the DJ world was that they often had a more accurate image of the details in the music, the emotional mood and of course the groove. The typical workflow was to have a musician type team mix the album (these guys tend to be better at layering sounds to create an evol-sounding-wall) and then hand over tracks to DJ type producers for hackomg it up and re-use just certain parts. Their skill in choosing what snippets to sample and re-use is excellent! I guess that is because their hearing is not "dumbed down" by knowing how the sounds were played in the first place on instruments etc. A vocal line with treble-smacking-lips or a hi-hat pattern are just similar type of sounds to their ears. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 23:53:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12FCE183490; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:53:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_582cd2db-aa4f-43b0-aba7-9f1e6e4ebf32_" X-Originating-IP: [92.224.175.171] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: RE: Octatrack vs Ableton Live quick help Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:53:40 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <62169F6A-B2D7-43EA-8D7A-957249BE32EB@gmail.com> References: ,<62169F6A-B2D7-43EA-8D7A-957249BE32EB@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2012 23:53:40.0842 (UTC) FILETIME=[857994A0:01CD818A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:53:41 +0000 (UTC) --_582cd2db-aa4f-43b0-aba7-9f1e6e4ebf32_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable @ Anders:I like your track :)I can suppose there was a previous thinking an= d rehearsing? I mean=2C that can't be 100% jam/improvisation=2C right? And= =2C did you have prerecorded samples or all the sounds are created in real = time? In this moment as you can see on my link with my experiments few mails ago= =2C I also do some slow loops. And I will always do.But I also would like t= hings a bit more like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D5y4bZaLMsIQ&fe= ature=3DrelatedOk=2C not LIKE this=2C because I would create my own samples= in real time on stage=2C and I will use a lot my voice for that. Still=2C = yes=2C I am obsessed with techno/minimal/electro in this moment.And=2C beli= eve me=2C you can NOT do that with a Boomerang. About the OT=2C can you please be a bit more specific about "looper and rec= order"? Recorder is a function of the Octa or an external tool? I have not = clear this of re-sampling to a recorder to trig the loop on the sequencer. Thanks @ Per:Your name reminds me so much of Peer Gynt. I wanted Ableton for music production and OT for livelooping.The problem st= arted when I discovered that Ableton can be a wonderful livelooper. I am no= t able to determine which would fit better my needs as livelooper.Above you= saw a link of a guy using the Novation Launchpad with Ableton. I am not su= re if you can use it also to record loops or just to play already existing = (and loaded) samples.But it looks very cool to have so many different track= s/loops at same time=2C isn't it? You said "The hardest DSP is time-stretching and pitch-shifting.". As far a= s I understood=2C with OT I can do that to a single loop while it stays syn= ced to the other loops. Am I wrong? I have a Roland Quad Capture Audio Interface. Should be enough. Well=2C my = notebook is not very good. But later maybe. Anyway you almost convinced me to buy the OT. I have known the Reactable lately. Not what I need. Luckily (10000 euro??? = Sti cazzi!). Still=2C I love the concept of havind all the sounds as little= objects which you can put there. In my mind I have lot of sounds (I have chosen "I think sounds" as my art n= ame). When I do a looping session I have these sounds in my mind=2C lot of = different sounds which I would like to be able to control separately (somet= hing which you cannot do normally with the overdubbed layers in a conventio= nal looper). I want to combine them=2C tweak them=2C stretch them=2C mute t= hem=2C rearrange them=2C re-sample them=2C make so that in one moment what = was just a part of one of many loops becomes a minimal solo and I start to = add new things on it=2C for then coming back to the old melody.That's what = I want to do.=20 In this moment I am worried for my bank account because I feel that it is p= ossible that there are things I cannot do so good with just ableton as with= OT=2C so I will probably have to buy both.I still have the boomerang. And = a Microsampler. And a Kaoss Pad 3.Should I sell them and buy the Octa? :) Thanks for the help. = --_582cd2db-aa4f-43b0-aba7-9f1e6e4ebf32_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
@ Anders:
I like your track :)
I can suppose there was a prev= ious thinking and =3Brehearsing? I mean=2C that can't be 100% jam/impro= visation=2C right? And=2C did you have prerecorded samples or all the sound= s are created in real time?

In this moment as you can se= e on my link with my experiments few mails ago=2C I also do some slow loops= . And I will always do.
But I also would like things a bit more l= ike this: =3Bhttp://www.youtube.com= /watch?v=3D5y4bZaLMsIQ&=3Bfeature=3Drelated
Ok=2C not LIKE= this=2C because I would create my own samples in real time on stage=2C and= I will use a lot my voice for that. Still=2C yes=2C I am obsessed with tec= hno/minimal/electro in this moment.
And=2C believe me=2C you can = NOT do that with a Boomerang.

About the OT=2C can = you please be a bit more specific about "looper and recorder"? Recorder is = a function of the Octa or an external tool? I have not clear this of re-sam= pling to a recorder to trig the loop on the sequencer.

=
Thanks


@ Per:
Your n= ame reminds me so much of Peer Gynt.

I wanted Able= ton for music production and OT for livelooping.
The problem star= ted when I discovered that Ableton can be a wonderful livelooper. =3B
I am not able to determine which would fit better my needs as live= looper.
Above you saw a link of a guy using the Novation Launchpa= d with Ableton. I am not sure if you can use it also to record loops or jus= t to play already existing (and loaded) samples.
But it looks ver= y cool to have so many different tracks/loops at same time=2C isn't it?

You said "The har= dest DSP is =3Btime-stretching and pitch-shifti= ng.". As far as I understood=2C with OT I can do that to a single loop whil= e it stays =3Bsynced =3Bto the other loops.= Am I wrong?

I have a Roland Quad Capture Audio Interface. Should be enough. = Well=2C my notebook is not very good. But later maybe.

Anyway you almost conv= inced me to buy the OT.

I have known the Re= actable lately. Not what I need. Luckily (10000 euro??? Sti cazzi!). Still= =2C I love the concept of havind all the sounds as little objects which you= can put there.
In my mind I have lot of sounds (I have chosen "I think sou= nds" as my art name). When I do a looping session I have these sounds in my= mind=2C lot of different sounds which I would like to be able to control s= eparately (something which you cannot do normally with the overdubbed layer= s in a conventional looper). I want to combine them=2C tweak them=2C stretc= h them=2C mute them=2C rearrange them=2C re-sample them=2C make so that in = one moment what was just a part of one of many loops becomes a minimal solo= and I start to add new things on it=2C for then coming back to the old mel= ody.
That's what I want to do. =3B

=
In this moment I am worried for my bank account because I feel th= at it is possible that there are things I cannot do so good with just ablet= on as with OT=2C so I will probably have to buy both.
I still hav= e the boomerang. And a Microsampler. And a Kaoss Pad 3.
Should I = sell them and buy the Octa? :)

Thanks for the help.

= --_582cd2db-aa4f-43b0-aba7-9f1e6e4ebf32_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 02:23:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FC2618348A; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 02:23:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=2Rx1vA2/znqDK/EaY9HAX/hCNsSMk7SrPJwN+mmcFfA=; b=BQbgqOoRDM+tKMB1vTYLmydYXMfp4Zb/F9UdqvOl/g0NtTrNEoN6zppDUluBpMGMWI hdD2WMKmDCXiLP9T3LXeCxEg3QfLvZ3DkWm8kxgMpu1N5hq8TzE6hWaWZ1CDovQCMXO9 pgg4xeU9hI3v4rojANmEdlTB3X1WNHgpRrUf0fOCqoIu2IkFlHfg0ASrUClyhmQ3BGAB LDvYUhJdbWJe6feGwj/Rp/r1iuYvS3pXw+bG56KTrj8yct1X0BRaAzlOLs/6OMJcP9U4 MY4U/L1WoWBn589Fg8SJ4xoWFGqpFES36VGTaF3TPqcicYjJ7DOzq/8OsVWeg7Yb47nd wjdA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:23:42 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: FL studio for live looping? From: "kay'lon rushing" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043c818824c51d04c7f9aab9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 02:23:44 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043c818824c51d04c7f9aab9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Is there a way to use fl studio for live looping mainly for drum quantization --f46d043c818824c51d04c7f9aab9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

Is there a way to use fl studio for live looping mainly for drum quantization

--f46d043c818824c51d04c7f9aab9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 03:05:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 215B618347D; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 03:05:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <05187E9308574188A364097203B8736E@SgtephPC> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: FL studio for live looping? Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:05:51 -0400 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01CD8183.D7261AF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: <7YrPWC.A.orC.R-uNQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 03:05:54 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01CD8183.D7261AF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As a VST from a program like Reaper. Works fine but if you=E2=80=99re = putting it through a loop, have all your flp files loaded first. From: kay'lon rushing=20 Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:23 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: FL studio for live looping? Is there a way to use fl studio for live looping mainly for drum = quantization ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01CD8183.D7261AF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As a VST from a program like Reaper.  Works fine but if = you=E2=80=99re putting=20 it through a loop, have all your flp files loaded first.
 
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Is there a way to use fl studio for live looping mainly for drum=20 quantization

------=_NextPart_000_002B_01CD8183.D7261AF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 07:12:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8455C183495; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:12:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=292/+ymy0uM8L+o3crrkp+IXQCr/fv+Qudxt/mxGlZA=; b=etywsGazKntg9CKCVusmGSXvQXGH6KXNUDwZsI8KujZl2QHRbQIAdeaTzvlnbo0dOd aPsb8FyFEa/Nx3OHqETgNUDYz9O/0Vj0Q0DlVlx3I289sphogfK9tmrwpuauTdNupCJ2 c+0m3bt7nivAV/r33lAIXNUWzed8Xw5XVxf5nrlV/paQSzVTdqWWYGAIZiFjwenTFJic tz82is7S9o72ELl4Fx/VuXvTZxxttvqJe7lKkJ9G1pmKe6yNte2J/Bw+exXp95/3BdGJ EWxD7BgRF3760CwE9tpaD8cV2uqwx2z6KxNkJhvB5sXdVQSbdH3tGJg3AOAUtKcvKLA1 d+IA== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: City Lights Music Festival and its comparison to a loopfest From: Matthias Grob In-Reply-To: <20120823164431.3513.56465.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 04:11:46 -0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7EFE44FA-E548-4C4D-8B11-BC3B799A3C29@gmail.com> References: <20120823164431.3513.56465.levelstar.mail@everest> To: Loop List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:12:26 +0000 (UTC) well, I would love to read this list, but traffic is rather too much = already, and if you bring new members talking about sampling, it will = become harder I find impressive that in the 15 years before Tyler, no one felt the = need to adapt the lists subject to a sentence that Kim put on the site. = he wanted it to be open, which is great, but from the very start it was = only about live looping and we do not know why Kim radically eliminated = the "LiveLooping brand" from his LD site. what is it you are going to stir up interest for?=20 the existence of a site where its not prohibited (but not common) to = talk about sampling? or are you going to try to convince those people to do it live?=20 or are we going to talk more about the phenomenon repetition itself? I = would love that! as you can see in the LOOP GROOP invitation, my = original idea was to also invite visual artists and brain scientists to = bring in their knowledge.=20 (even more impressive is the coincidence that only the post of Tyler = (and very few others) drop into my inbox because of the wrong return = address, so those are the mails I keep reading hahaha) On 23 Aug 2012, at 13:44, Tyler wrote: > The only reason it isn't called a loop fest is because this kind of = festival is supposed to have a=20 > large audience, and something with "loop fest" in the name will only = attract the geeks that hang around on=20 > mailing lists like this one. I'm trying to get a group of Citylighters = to sign up for this list. That way,=20 > live looping, generic looping, sampling with repetition, etc. can be = discussed here. We need to stir up=20 > enough interest. > Tyler Z >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 09:37:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2332183493; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:37:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_f43115b6-dc40-4f25-9c92-ee2065e7482a_" X-Originating-IP: [217.92.117.212] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: Chapelier Fou, looping violin with Ableton Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:37:13 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2012 09:37:13.0836 (UTC) FILETIME=[0AD87AC0:01CD81DC] Resent-Message-ID: <9MNdxC.A.BJF.Kt0NQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:37:14 +0000 (UTC) --_f43115b6-dc40-4f25-9c92-ee2065e7482a_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello everybody. Do you already know this guy:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DU9tumNFlsAU He make loops playing a violin=2C some singing=2C keyboard.I think he uses = mostly ableton live with a pedal midi controller and a launchpad=2C as far = as I saw in the videos today.Then I think he's got an elektron Machinedrum = but not sure. Cheers = --_f43115b6-dc40-4f25-9c92-ee2065e7482a_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello everybody.

Do you already know this guy:
http://www.youtub= e.com/watch?v=3DU9tumNFlsAU

He make loops playing a violin=2C some singing=2C= keyboard.
I think he uses mostly ableton live with a pedal midi = controller and a launchpad=2C as far as I saw in the videos today.
Then I think he's got an elektron Machinedrum but not sure.
Cheers
= --_f43115b6-dc40-4f25-9c92-ee2065e7482a_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 09:37:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1891018349D; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:37:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=uxQeYzWwUbG1mKLB3xJlN9TYDFO7xT7H19jn3NAljZU=; b=GKsM7Wz9YBMFBuWjo3zxxo2rxHRUj4upRser+PEZLMMXCQHfCj7wSvOm7RrwjAleWT bFeP3Az7FHp+QKJ0XVMM/2kpE7m5kijVxKhhkUUTCFpSPeaI9QV0MabGqYHw8UoMLeQS DV+j0XK2biGdN8OpL2oAZ9oTopKoeyY83lrMG47bA1poPbrsdWznuAjlz2MYSwxOMeO1 bn19Iu6bOAeIl9n1lTLhi5k7JSx0w3s8cT4Nx1C6A2Rgq0uRZpaKSUBwmgMCLt6DYImU dq6kae8/tcMQUNRTVjcyLkzo+O8sqA4mFNbR4LKnBayxz1m88UzIQS92tvHtRZ1OhJxn 0bCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <62169F6A-B2D7-43EA-8D7A-957249BE32EB@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:37:13 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Octatrack vs Ableton Live quick help From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <0CZaIB.A.ZJF.Kt0NQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:37:14 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 1:53 AM, Sergio G wrote: > You said "The hardest DSP is time-stretching and pitch-shifting.". As far as > I understood, with OT I can do that to a single loop while it stays synced > to the other loops. Am I wrong? If working in Ableton Live you will be able to time-stretch or pitch-shift a loop if you record it as an Audio Clip. You can't do it if you record it in the Looper plugin or into some third-party looper plugin. Each method brings good or bad sides. > > Anyway you almost convinced me to buy the OT. I was just presenting you the facts as they are. Myself I don't have an OT. I have chosen to use only software in a laptop; the looper Mobius to be specific. My reason for choosing Mobius is that it offers many functions that I appreciate. At some concerts I host Mobius in Ableton Live but the host I like best is Apple's Mainstage. The reason I prefer Mainstage rather than Live is that Mainstage is much more configurable; meaning I can do things like setting up any kind of "graphic conductor" for the musicians. If I should need a mixer like Live's I can make one in Mainstage. For producing recordings in the studio I prefer to use Logic. The mixes always sound better for me in Logic compared to doing it in Live. I also like the idea of building and having instant access - both in the studio and on the stage - to my personal library of channel strips. Both channel strips for audio input and MIDI input, as I play EWI too and need detailed perfection in synth control. > Novation Launchpad with Ableton The launchpad is a nice controller. I can't use one though as I often play instruments with my hands. Instead I use a foot controlle, the Gordius Little Giant. It has ten switches and four expression pedals. Two bank switch pedals lets you scroll through alternative setups for the controller switches/pedals. I think you can have many hundreds of banks but I only find use for eight (about the same as the Launchpad). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 10:46:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4E7E183497; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:46:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_b4e26014-58a1-4411-8636-c538e4f196ca_" X-Originating-IP: [217.92.117.212] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: RE: Octatrack vs Ableton Live quick help Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:46:47 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,,<62169F6A-B2D7-43EA-8D7A-957249BE32EB@gmail.com>,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2012 10:46:47.0671 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2A52870:01CD81E5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:46:48 +0000 (UTC) --_b4e26014-58a1-4411-8636-c538e4f196ca_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > From: perboysen@gmail.com > in Ableton Live you will be able to time-stretch or > pitch-shift a loop if you record it as an Audio Clip. You can't do it > if you record it in the Looper plugin or into some third-party looper > plugin. While in OT you can=2C isn't it? That's what I know. > Myself I don't have an OT.=20 Ehm=2C and why do you think that for me it is better the OT than Ableton or= Moebius?The guy who supposedly has to sell it to me told me "look=2C I use= Ableton plus a foot controller and a launchpad=2C as livelooper=2C and I l= ike it much more than the OT because the OT is more linear=2C and I need un= linear looping=2C with the possibility to recall later a loop that I played= at the beginning of a song. And personally I think you can do with Live al= l what you are telling me" > I have chosen to use only software in a laptop=3B the looperMobius to be = specific.=20 Could you tell me some things in which Moebius is better than Ableton for l= ivelooping? > Mainstage is much more> configurable=3B meaning I can do things like sett= ing up any kind of > "graphic conductor" for the musicians. What do you mean for Graphic Condu= ttor? Said like that it makes me think of something I have briefly read abo= ut MAX for Live. Or you mean just graphic interface?Stupid question: if I w= ant to use a software looper=2C may I safely assume that I need a quite goo= d and powerful laptop to avoid freezes etc? And is it generally needed a Ma= c? (this would be another reason more to buy the OT). > I also like the idea of building and having instant access - > both in the studio and on the stage - to my personal library of > channel strips. Ok=2C that is a bit too early for me=2C I mean that I hav= e absolutely no idea what you are talking about=2C and it is a feeling that= I like=2C because makes me feel I am learning and that I am collecting an = info which will allow me to learn faster in the future. Could you say somet= hing more about that? > Instead I use a foot controlle=2C the > Gordius Little Giant. Nice info=2C appreciated=2C I will look for it. I a= lready am buying a used Launchpad. Hey=2C nice piece the freetless Electric Guitar Harp :) Thanks for your time and for sharing your experience. Sergio = --_b4e26014-58a1-4411-8636-c538e4f196ca_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>=3B From: perboysen@gmail.com

>=3B in Ableton Live = you will be able to time-stretch or
>=3B pitch-shift a loop if you rec= ord it as an Audio Clip. You can't do it
>=3B if you record it in the = Looper plugin or into some third-party looper
>=3B plugin. =3B
While in OT you can=2C isn't it? That's what I know.

<= /div>
>=3B  =3BMyself I don't have =3Ban OT. =3B
Ehm=2C and why do you think that for me it is better the OT than A= bleton or Moebius?
The guy who supposedly has to sell it t= o me told me "look=2C I use Ableton plus a foot controller and a launchpad= =2C as livelooper=2C and I like it much more than the OT because the OT is = more linear=2C and I need unlinear looping=2C with the possibility to recal= l later a loop that I played at the beginning of a song. And personally I t= hink you can do with Live all what you are telling me"

>=3B =3BI have chosen to= use only software in a laptop=3B the looperMobius to be specific. =3B
Could you tell me some things in which Moebius is better than= Ableton for livelooping?

>=3B Mainstage= is much more
>=3B configurable=3B meaning I can do thin= gs like setting up any kind of
>=3B "graphic conductor" for the musici= ans. =3B
What do you mean for Graphic Conduttor? Said like= that it makes me think of something I have briefly read about MAX for Live= . Or you mean just graphic interface?
Stupid question: if = I want to use a software looper=2C may I safely assume that I need a quite = good and powerful laptop to avoid freezes etc? And is it generally needed a= Mac? (this would be another reason more to buy the OT).

=

>=3B I also like the idea of building and having instant a= ccess -
>=3B both in the studio and on the stage - to my personal libr= ary of
>=3B channel strips. =3B
Ok=2C that is a bit t= oo early for me=2C I mean that I have absolutely no idea what you are talki= ng about=2C and it is a feeling that I like=2C because makes me feel I am l= earning and that I am collecting an info which will allow me to learn faste= r in the future. Could you say something more about that?
>=3B Instead I use a foot controlle=2C the
>=3B Gordius Little Gian= t. =3B
Nice info=2C appreciated=2C I will look for it. I a= lready am buying a used Launchpad.

Hey=2C nice piece = the freetless Electric Guitar Harp :)

Thanks for y= our time and for sharing your experience.

Sergio
= --_b4e26014-58a1-4411-8636-c538e4f196ca_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 11:43:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1651B183494; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:43:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Ow6O4E1ESLI71VzjFZd9pidiEMKrJut6UcZmF3S8v60=; b=rVvFUD/K5V4jXnjZsRpcuZ3Dt20H2r7yb7b2/8dyQDzYERgsgybJvGsWn1IgpedCV/ NPFMzQsfyGR7yf/VGpP47yW9cBrlBINrW7Olbe0wTECQ7nf0ndaS+ke7wJ0qE8JlHJZI TVXQKPA1UBgJYONttsKGtCrYXGlbvdSq7N5sjYRgVZ0O/amBaaV8ONKqCCLOT6a/HdzS bEBk81qOv8mhEIupQhPQ36VDFLwqoZU8Dnka9nQ1GCK/xD76CkOJuK/eTNWwnYuKKwjx MlTb98DFGRaNZm7w3iTCj/oMlSuF6OVTQOMt3pEt/coFUPo3eljGDdXoZsH/aZZPYyd6 qG9w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <62169F6A-B2D7-43EA-8D7A-957249BE32EB@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:43:50 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Octatrack vs Ableton Live quick help From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <5ltRYB.A.5JG.3j2NQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:43:51 +0000 (UTC) Sergio, you should really download the manuals for all these gear and compare them properly based on your musical ideas. No one here knows exactly what you want to do and by asking like this you will only receive answers based on what we use the gear for in our musical vision. I'll try to put in some answers anyway, but please remember that I'm basing my performances to a great deal on what I'm avoiding; meaning I have technically restricted my setup quite drastically in order to allow more musical actions, using fewer things but trying to learn them well and become fast within my limitations so the musical flow can prosper freely. That's just my choice. You may want to make other priorities. On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Sergio G wrote: >> From: perboysen@gmail.com > >> in Ableton Live you will be able to time-stretch or >> pitch-shift a loop if you record it as an Audio Clip. You can't do it >> if you record it in the Looper plugin or into some third-party looper >> plugin. > While in OT you can, isn't it? That's what I know. Yes, I'm under the impression that time-stretching works pretty fine in OT. After having read the manual, watched a number of OT demo vidos on YoutTube and listened to Anders posted OT sessions. Myself I don't do time-stretching at all. But I do a lot of speed shifting to loops I record on the fly. Speed shifting is the way vintage samplers worked; if you transpose the pitch up the loop speeds up and if you transpose the pitch down the loop slows down. I think this can introduce interesting rhythms too, but it can be tricky with rhythmic loops. >> Myself I don't have an OT. > Ehm, and why do you think that for me it is better the OT than Ableton or > Moebius? Because you mentioned time-stretching among the things you want to do to a real-time live audio input. >> I have chosen to use only software in a laptop; the looperMobius to be >> specific. > Could you tell me some things in which Moebius is better than Ableton for > livelooping? That would take hours. One important feature is the scripting option; you can type down a sequence of commands on a text file, save it to disc and have it show up as a command in Mobius. That way you can trigger any kind of weird processing from just one pedal/button/knob controller. I like that. I do scripted stuff like playing one note (as audio, by singing or using an instrument) and kick a pedal to instantly create a four note chord from that single master note. I also have a foot pedal bank that can fade in or fade out any track in the background, thus allowing me to play or mix other stuff while that happens. Mobius is designed for doing processing like that to live audio while Live is designed for live remixing of recorded audio. But you can perfectly well run Mobius as a plugin in Live and have access to both concepts. Here's an intro to Mobius that can give more info http://www.circularlabs.com/doc/v2/starting.htm >> Mainstage is much more >> configurable; meaning I can do things like setting up any kind of >> "graphic conductor" for the musicians. > What do you mean for Graphic Conduttor? Said like that it makes me think of > something I have briefly read about MAX for Live. Or you mean just graphic > interface? I sure use Max for Live in my Live setups. What I mean exactly by "good graphic conductor" is: - A big moving waveform on the screen showing the next bars to come up of whatever pre recorded audio you are playing along to. - Text markers in that waveform to tell you the chords and other musical cues. - Text area telling you what part is playing right now. - Text area telling you what part is coming up next. - Counter counting down beats until the next part is being cued. This was simply not possible in Live but with Mainstage I could set it up like on this screenshot https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4963264/pboy_mobius_mainstage.png > Stupid question: if I want to use a software looper, may I safely assume > that I need a quite good and powerful laptop to avoid freezes etc? No. What you need is knowledge about how to set up and the computer in a stable way. Even a 1 GB single core CPU would allow multi track looping (but maybe not also effect processing and stuff). > And is it > generally needed a Mac? (this would be another reason more to buy the OT). It's pretty much the same processors in all pc's today no matter if they run Mac OS or Windows. Mobius and Live work on both systems, but for Mainstage you would need to use a Mac. >> I also like the idea of building and having instant access - >> both in the studio and on the stage - to my personal library of >> channel strips. > Ok, that is a bit too early for me, I mean that I have absolutely no idea > what you are talking about, and it is a feeling that I like, because makes > me feel I am learning and that I am collecting an info which will allow me > to learn faster in the future. Could you say something more about that? A channel strip is like a saved preset for a bunch of effects that you have set up in a specific order and tweaked to sound great. Think about it as a virtual "stomp box pedalboard". In Live you may save such effect chains as a "rack". But the concept of Logic and Mainstage sharing the same library is what I appreciate, since I like using both apps. I also tend to get better sound with those apps than with Live, but that may just be me. I've heard producer getting a great sound out of Live so it should be possible. All great questions, Sergio! :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 12:02:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14EEE183493; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:02:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0797762843==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120824120152.19495.56465.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:01:52 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: City Lights Music Festival and its comparison to a loopfest Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:02:04 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0797762843== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm=20going=20to=20try=20and=20make=20it=20more=20open.=20Guidelines=20woul= d=20be: Your=20topic=20or=20audio=20that=20you=20share=20has=20to=20be=20LOOPING;= =20repeated=20samples,=20not=20manual=20repetition The=20amount=20of=20looping=20in=20the=20audio=20has=20to=20be=20significan= t;=20a=20song=20with=20one=20word=20looped=20twice=20in=20an=20 entire=20five-minute=20track=20wouldn't=20work;=20a=20pop=20techno=20track= =20with=20a=20constant-loop=20beat,=20and=20lots=20of=20 vocal=20looping,=20would=20work!=20Not=20just=20a=20song=20that=20samples= =20another=20song;=20a=20song=20that=20samples=20another=20song=20that=20 also=20loops=20parts=20of=20it.=20Not=20just=20a=20remix=20of=20an=20alread= y=20existing=20song;=20a=20remix=20of=20an=20already=20existing=20song=20th= at=20 frequently=20loops=20parts=20of=20it.=20Sample=20repetition=20to=20the=20re= scue!=20You=20live=20loopers=20are=20AWESOME!=20 The=20remix=20artists=20are=20FANTASTIC!=20The=20people=20who=20make=20reco= rdings=20in=20the=20studio=20that=20could=20be=20mistaken=20for=20 live=20looping=20recordings,=20that=20go=20to=20a=20concert=20and=20play=20= generic=20acoustic=20music=20because=20they=20can't=20loop=20live,=20 are=20EXCELLENT!=20So,=20it=20might=20not=20be=20a=20good=20idea=20to=20adv= ertise=20a=20new=20Britney=20Spears=20album=20 here,=20but=20if=20you=20like=20a=20song=20that,=20if=20she=20would=20have= =20made=20a=20minute=20longer,=20would=20have=20annoyed=20you=20because=20o= f=20the=20overused=20 repeated=20background=20sample=20beat=20...=20of=20course!=20It's=20a=20rep= eated=20sample,=20and=20it's=20dominant=20 throughout=20the=20song.=20Here's=20the=20big=20statement: Any=20repeated=20samples=20that=20are=20noticed=20throughout=20the=20song.= =20Back=20in=20May,=20someone=20mentioned=20that=20when=20doing=20 choruses=20of=20songs,=20sometimes=20the=20band=20will=20record=20it=20once= ,=20and=20the=20producers=20will=20copy=20it=20throughout,=20so=20the=20ban= d=20 doesn't=20have=20to=20sing=20the=20chorus=20again.=20Not=20significant=20en= ough!=20It=20needs=20to=20sound=20like=20a=20loop=20to=20be=20in=20our=20 loop! IMPORTANT=20NOTICE: When=20I=20discovered=20Looper's=20Delight,=20I=20heard=20live=20looping=20= once;=20it=20was=20a=20guy=20named=20Tim=20 Exile.=20I=20discovered=20Looper's=20Delight=20when=20Googling=20for=20musi= c=20that=20contained=20tape=20loops,=20or=20at=20 least=20information=20about=20it.=20Tape=20loops!=20A=20type=20of=20prereco= rded=20loop!=20The=20URL,=20 www.loopers-delight.com,=20got=20my=20attention,=20because,=20as=20you=20kn= ow,=20I=20have=20that=20"loop=20quirk."=20 So,=20basically,=20I=20found=20this=20mailing=20list=20as=20a=20prerecorded= =20looper=20looking=20for=20prerecorded=20loop=20 music.=20It=20just=20so=20happens=20that=20people=20like=20Per=20Boysen=20a= nd=20Amy=20X.=20Newberg=20hit=20that=20switch=20in=20me;=20 "Maybe=20I=20should=20try=20LL=20for=20live=20performances,=20but=20for=20t= he=20studio=20versions,=20use=20prerecorded,=20so=20I=20 can=20Imogenially=20(like=20Imogen=20Heap)=20fine-tune=20the=20sound."=20Ye= s,=20before=20I=20even=20knew=20live=20looping=20 existed,=20I=20LOVED=20Imogen!=20All=20the=20stuff=20I=20heard=20from=20her= =20was=20in=20studio,=20and=20I=20thought=20it=20was=20 prerecorded=20looping.=20I=20still=20have=20a=20hard=20time=20believing=20t= hat=20Imogen=20used=20realtime. Tyler=20Z On=20Fri,=2024=20Aug=202012=2004:11:46=20-0300,=20Matthias=20Grob=20wrote: >well,=20I=20would=20love=20to=20read=20this=20list,=20but=20traffic=20is= =20rather=20too=20much=20already,=20 >and=20if=20you=20bring=20new=20members=20talking=20about=20sampling,=20it= =20will=20become=20harder > >I=20find=20impressive=20that=20in=20the=2015=20years=20before=20Tyler,=20n= o=20one=20felt=20the=20need=20to=20 >adapt=20the=20lists=20subject=20to=20a=20sentence=20that=20Kim=20put=20on= =20the=20site.=20he=20wanted=20it=20to=20 >be=20open,=20which=20is=20great,=20but=20from=20the=20very=20start=20it=20= was=20only=20about=20live=20looping=20 >and=20we=20do=20not=20know=20why=20Kim=20radically=20eliminated=20the=20"L= iveLooping=20brand"=20from=20 >his=20LD=20site. > >what=20is=20it=20you=20are=20going=20to=20stir=20up=20interest=20for?=20 >the=20existence=20of=20a=20site=20where=20its=20not=20prohibited=20(but=20= not=20common)=20to=20talk=20about=20 >sampling? >or=20are=20you=20going=20to=20try=20to=20convince=20those=20people=20to=20= do=20it=20live?=20 >or=20are=20we=20going=20to=20talk=20more=20about=20the=20phenomenon=20repe= tition=20itself?=20I=20would=20 >love=20that!=20as=20you=20can=20see=20in=20the=20LOOP=20GROOP=20invitation= ,=20my=20original=20idea=20was=20to=20 >also=20invite=20visual=20artists=20and=20brain=20scientists=20to=20bring= =20in=20their=20knowledge.=20 > >(even=20more=20impressive=20is=20the=20coincidence=20that=20only=20the=20p= ost=20of=20Tyler=20(and=20very=20 >few=20others)=20drop=20into=20my=20inbox=20because=20of=20the=20wrong=20re= turn=20address,=20so=20those=20 >are=20the=20mails=20I=20keep=20reading=20hahaha) > >On=2023=20Aug=202012,=20at=2013:44,=20Tyler=20wrote: > >>The=20only=20reason=20it=20isn't=20called=20a=20loop=20fest=20is=20becaus= e=20this=20kind=20of=20festival=20is=20 >>supposed=20to=20have=20a=20 >>large=20audience,=20and=20something=20with=20"loop=20fest"=20in=20the=20n= ame=20will=20only=20attract=20 >>the=20geeks=20that=20hang=20around=20on=20 >>mailing=20lists=20like=20this=20one.=20I'm=20trying=20to=20get=20a=20grou= p=20of=20Citylighters=20to=20sign=20 >>up=20for=20this=20list.=20That=20way,=20 >>live=20looping,=20generic=20looping,=20sampling=20with=20repetition,=20et= c.=20can=20be=20discussed=20 >>here.=20We=20need=20to=20stir=20up=20 >>enough=20interest. >>Tyler=20Z >> --===============0797762843==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 12:22:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1471F183494; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:22:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_81004183-f6de-4d95-86e7-03d6c740b43d_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Octatrack vs Ableton Live quick help Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:22:37 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,,<62169F6A-B2D7-43EA-8D7A-957249BE32EB@gmail.com>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2012 12:22:37.0292 (UTC) FILETIME=[25AFB2C0:01CD81F3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:22:38 +0000 (UTC) --_81004183-f6de-4d95-86e7-03d6c740b43d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable THANKS!! There was a LITTLE thinking and the track is taken from a 20 minutes long i= mprovisation but no real rehearsing... So some things you hear have evolved= during that time and some were in part prepared.=20 Typically when i mix live sounds/sampling/looping with samples i first chos= e the samples i need=2C i MIGHT 8such as in this case) to some sequencing s= o create a beat. but o may also to that live. And i typically prepare or re= use setting some earlier improvisation so that what i do is sometimes a par= t of a bigger evolutionary process. Related to the video you link to it is = very possible=2C and a part of what I do=2C to trigger and play samples and= loops live by using the trigg buttons on the Octa and/or exteranal keyboar= ds.. however the octa ha no velocity like a typicality MPC or an ad control= ling sample trigging in abelton. BUT the octa excels at live manipulation o= f samples=2C both by the inbuilt effects and by slicing=2C re-trigger=2C pi= tch-shifts=2C rate shifts=2C envelope control=2C filters=2C freeze delays.. On the Octa track you have something called "machines" there is a looper ma= chine=2C called "pickup machine"=2C which is for a typical boomerang type o= f use=2C record loop=2C it replays and loops (and the BPM can be synced to = this a loop)=2C you can reverse=2C overdub=2C replace and multiply a loop. = So it's basically a looper with acesses to great effects and it is also abl= e to loop from other track on the Octatrack. So if you record and overdub o= n one "pickup machine" where you record and overdub+add effects you can rec= ord the output of thar (together with new input if you want) to a new loop= =2C perhaps.. The you have the more sample style recording used with what i= s called a "flex machine" with this you can record samples either freely or= triggered by a sequencer step. You can overdub by letting it record from o= ne ore more external sources + it self a internal source. then you can also= save and re-use a sample later. And you can of course export and import sa= mples with you computer.=20 So in your senario you cold for example use a "flex machine" to record one = sound of a vocal perfoemace. It could be a word or som beat box like sound.= So if you make a bass drum sund you can record that then instantly repllay= it and enter a sequence of. Either by inputting on which step you want it = to replay or by "live recording" to the sequencer. Then you can do the same= with a snare sound. You can sing a nice vowel and create a melody with it = by plying it chromatically.. and in this way you should be able to build an= entire perfoemnce by mixing the sample recoding and sequencing with more t= raditional looping. So another way to du basically the same thin is the rec= ord a vocal beat box loop=2C let BPM sync to that=2C and over dub it with = a pickup machine. Yon resample that an chop it up by slicing or you can sam= ple part of the loop to other flex machines and create patterns on the sque= ncer.=20 Sorry for being long in my answers :-) AndersFrom: simpliflying@gmail.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Octatrack vs Ableton Live quick help Date: Thu=2C 23 Aug 2012 23:53:40 +0000 @ Anders:I like your track :)I can suppose there was a previous thinking an= d rehearsing? I mean=2C that can't be 100% jam/improvisation=2C right? And= =2C did you have prerecorded samples or all the sounds are created in real = time? In this moment as you can see on my link with my experiments few mails ago= =2C I also do some slow loops. And I will always do.But I also would like t= hings a bit more like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D5y4bZaLMsIQ&fe= ature=3DrelatedOk=2C not LIKE this=2C because I would create my own samples= in real time on stage=2C and I will use a lot my voice for that. Still=2C = yes=2C I am obsessed with techno/minimal/electro in this moment.And=2C beli= eve me=2C you can NOT do that with a Boomerang. About the OT=2C can you please be a bit more specific about "looper and rec= order"? Recorder is a function of the Octa or an external tool? I have not = clear this of re-sampling to a recorder to trig the loop on the sequencer. Thanks = --_81004183-f6de-4d95-86e7-03d6c740b43d_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
THANKS!!

There was a LITTLE thinking and the track= is taken from a 20 minutes long improvisation but no real =3Brehearsin= g... So some things you hear have =3Bevolved =3Bduring that time an= d some were in part =3Bprepared. =3B
Typically =3Bwhen = i mix live sounds/sampling/looping with samples i first chose the samples i= need=2C i MIGHT 8such as in =3Bthis =3Bcase) to some =3Bsequen= cing =3Bso create a beat. but o may also to that live. And i =3Btyp= ically =3Bprepare or reuse setting some earlier =3Bimprovisation&nb= sp=3Bso that what i do is sometimes a part of a bigger evolutionary process= . =3B
Related to the video you link to it is very possible=2C= and a part of what I do=2C to trigger and play samples and loops live by u= sing the trigg buttons on the Octa and/or exteranal keyboards.. however the= octa ha no velocity like a =3Btypicality =3BMPC or an ad controlli= ng sample trigging in abelton. BUT the octa excels at live manipulation of = samples=2C both by the inbuilt effects and by slicing=2C re-trigger=2C = =3Bpitch-shifts=2C rate shifts=2C envelope control=2C filters=2C freeze del= ays..
On the Octa track you have something called "machines" there is a = looper machine=2C called "pickup machine"=2C which is for a typical boomera= ng type of use=2C record loop=2C it =3Breplays =3Band loops (and th= e BPM can be synced to this a loop)=2C you can reverse=2C overdub=2C replac= e and multiply a loop. So it's basically a looper with acesses to great eff= ects and it is also able to loop from other track on the Octatrack. So if y= ou record and overdub on one "pickup machine" where you record and overdub+= add effects you can record the output of thar (together with new input if y= ou want) to a new loop=2C perhaps.. =3B
The you have the more= sample style recording used with what is called a "flex machine" with this= you can record samples either freely or triggered by a sequencer step. You= can overdub by letting it record from one ore more external sources + it s= elf a internal source. then you can also save and re-use a sample later. An= d you can of course export and import samples with you computer. =3B

So in your senario you cold for example use a "flex = machine" to record one sound of a vocal perfoemace. It could be a word or s= om beat box like sound. So if you make a bass drum sund you can record that= then instantly repllay it and enter a sequence of. Either by =3Binputt= ing =3Bon which step you want it to replay or by "live recording" to th= e sequencer. Then you can do the same with a snare sound. You can sing a ni= ce vowel and create a melody with it by plying it chromatically.. and in th= is way you should be able to build an entire perfoemnce by mixing the sampl= e recoding and sequencing with more traditional looping. So another way to = du basically the same thin is the record a vocal beat box loop=2C let BPM s= ync to that=2C  =3Band over dub it with a pickup machine. Yon resample = that an chop it up by slicing or you can sample part of the loop to other f= lex machines and create patterns on the squencer. =3B

Sorry for =3Bbeing =3Blong in my answers :-)

=
Anders
From: simpliflying@gmail.com
To: loopers-delight@loo= pers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Octatrack vs Ableton Live quick help
Da= te: Thu=2C 23 Aug 2012 23:53:40 +0000

@ Anders:
I like your track :)
I can suppose there was a prev= ious thinking and =3Brehearsing? I mean=2C that can't be 100% jam/impro= visation=2C right? And=2C did you have prerecorded samples or all the sound= s are created in real time?

In this moment as you can se= e on my link with my experiments few mails ago=2C I also do some slow loops= . And I will always do.
But I also would like things a bit more l= ike this: =3Bhttp://ww= w.youtube.com/watch?v=3D5y4bZaLMsIQ&=3Bfeature=3Drelated
O= k=2C not LIKE this=2C because I would create my own samples in real time on= stage=2C and I will use a lot my voice for that. Still=2C yes=2C I am obse= ssed with techno/minimal/electro in this moment.
And=2C believe m= e=2C you can NOT do that with a Boomerang.

About t= he OT=2C can you please be a bit more specific about "looper and recorder"?= Recorder is a function of the Octa or an external tool? I have not clear t= his of re-sampling to a recorder to trig the loop on the sequencer.

Thanks


=
= --_81004183-f6de-4d95-86e7-03d6c740b43d_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 12:22:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C4791834A8; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:22:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=UdQrEID18I2wormGqVzCkadHk+ZdYtxTlMv4h+W0m2w=; b=d09yvKMTs7MbC1elRccUnMlscTwnJFI/OuwIfZ9L65A0C7yvtbAHbR7Q1CIM2z2IcF n9p8q8rhiAlIIxwII2kMy02ANF2L3qx01jKZTPbEUALd6/pDkvh8MsSxXW6Y0ambBbTX +hlKdulS8hsgEShKquqqFPV/HGDf19aRUyEpd2OOUjZ25WvKqAt+3+7VyM0KkMTOBjZR b0FAVp1PP6huc4olkuxBhaQP8LoUDGXCllWy1v+9BQduqSyTtrR4h/Lf7Jq1+a/zUASh Tq0tVEE5DwjeRIEnL/BEs15OgmZMMvj7JGYL18F6v1W2XI/uDfWf0ogzDG5BVSr4oisD htrA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120824120152.19495.56465.levelstar.mail@everest> References: <20120824120152.19495.56465.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:22:40 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: City Lights Music Festival and its comparison to a loopfest From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <9p6TyC.A.7rG.RI3NQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:22:41 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Tyler wrote: > Yes, before I even knew live looping > existed, I LOVED Imogen! All the stuff I heard from her was in studio, and I thought it was > prerecorded looping. I still have a hard time believing that Imogen used realtime. Hi Tyler, Maybe you're thinking about this acapella version of Just For Now? http://youtu.be/tSvoacOAuz0 I can see on the video that she was using a mic going into a Repeater. I too had a Repeater ten years ago. It is a machine that records on the fly: one loop divided into four mono channels. So she typically overdubs layered choir voices and handclaps into these four channels of the loop to be able to fade them in and out during the song. In the studio she composes and records with Logic. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 12:32:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B96C8183494; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:32:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=MZI20h/W6V0Pa8Gkvx08wow10j2K0658Dzfle7f6CmE=; b=IvLbzttGElq6QLW5Dy/vXen+JzSHyRsMrNWPnE7L9GS03Zu25+wapq7i2348Pg2GN6 mgxvVxhwETMuGiJi0KwohGk+TsRq0uNL4U5tlGNqzvNoxre53bF9D1aE8trqxmJrqnUf 50RIBLqJxQLVIVKRNl0GONanhdf+oeOomL+Lrlr1O5yLu5ngGSg3FI/LSScUTZkiG69F 1cqKd2Qy+oMD4UbO2/KmxhidxSgqykCKuitigmduYV6XT3EIDOsf4FlUcvFIw+bxmWrm MjfCIB8jOHcTn17todzTYEjeEfPZJnTLM4ZrhvQrYNGtmHrNwsx6sIMcbN1cYGeTiCxd /+rQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <62169F6A-B2D7-43EA-8D7A-957249BE32EB@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:32:50 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Octatrack vs Ableton Live quick help From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:32:51 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > The you have the more sample style recording used with what is called a > "flex machine" with this you can record samples either freely or triggered > by a sequencer step. That's a really cool technique that I had in mind for years before finally finding a way make it happen. My idea is to sample one note and instantly have that note played back by a step sequencer as a chord arpeggio. Then I use foot pedals to change pattern in the sequencer to move through any chord change vamp while playing along. Typically I use one pedal to sample a note and nine pedals for different chords/sequence patterns/arpeggios. This was quite quirky to set up in software and I assume it would be easier with the Octa. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 12:38:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40670183493; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:38:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_f167f01c-d1a1-4402-a896-5d5b315f08df_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Octatrack vs Ableton Live quick help Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:38:15 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,,<62169F6A-B2D7-43EA-8D7A-957249BE32EB@gmail.com>,,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2012 12:38:15.0126 (UTC) FILETIME=[54ADCF60:01CD81F5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:38:17 +0000 (UTC) --_f167f01c-d1a1-4402-a896-5d5b315f08df_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And=2C i agreement with Per=2C my approach to the Octatrack is to use it fo= r what it good at and what i like=2C and (perhaps unlike Per) let the limit= ations I encounter be inspiration rather than a problem as such. If that at= all makes sense. So reading manuals can be a good thing=2C BUT the octatra= ck manual is not that great to get a feeling for the machine. It will answe= r quite a few questions with regards to what possible. You should also chec= k out instructual videos but from Elektron and check out the elektron users= forum where there are soem who dislike the octa becouse it does not fit in= to there workflow.. and I sometimes think that NOTHING will fit there dream= workflow. That is why i prefer to be inspired and guided by gear and let l= imitations together with my intentions form what i do. Fo example i started= out by having an idea that i would ONLY use live guitar and no pre-recorde= d samples. BUT then i found out that it was fun an inspirational to mix sam= ples with guitar and it os also fun to take a piano sample and turn it to b= oth a strange synth sound and a bass line with the octa. OR do the same thi= ng with live guitar..=20 So whatever you choose it will be a leap... a would imagine that a software= /laptop based solution could do almost anything if you but enough time into= configuration and setup while the octatrack would probably be a first lear= ning step=2C some frustration and then you might=2C as I did=2C get a almos= t instant gratification by the amount of fun you can have if you are a bit = open.. sort of.. Got to run=2C Anders > Date: Fri=2C 24 Aug 2012 13:43:50 +0200 > Subject: Re: Octatrack vs Ableton Live quick help > From: perboysen@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > Sergio=2C you should really download the manuals for all these gear and > compare them properly based on your musical ideas. No one here knows > exactly what you want to do and by asking like this you will only > receive answers based on what we use the gear for in our musical > vision. I'll try to put in some answers anyway=2C but please remember > that I'm basing my performances to a great deal on what I'm avoiding=3B > meaning I have technically restricted my setup quite drastically in > order to allow more musical actions=2C using fewer things but trying to > learn them well and become fast within my limitations so the musical > flow can prosper freely. That's just my choice. You may want to make > other priorities. >=20 >=20 > On Fri=2C Aug 24=2C 2012 at 12:46 PM=2C Sergio G = wrote: > >> From: perboysen@gmail.com > > > >> in Ableton Live you will be able to time-stretch or > >> pitch-shift a loop if you record it as an Audio Clip. You can't do it > >> if you record it in the Looper plugin or into some third-party looper > >> plugin. > > While in OT you can=2C isn't it? That's what I know. >=20 > Yes=2C I'm under the impression that time-stretching works pretty fine > in OT. After having read the manual=2C watched a number of OT demo vidos > on YoutTube and listened to Anders posted OT sessions. >=20 > Myself I don't do time-stretching at all. But I do a lot of speed > shifting to loops I record on the fly. Speed shifting is the way > vintage samplers worked=3B if you transpose the pitch up the loop speeds > up and if you transpose the pitch down the loop slows down. I think > this can introduce interesting rhythms too=2C but it can be tricky with > rhythmic loops. >=20 > >> Myself I don't have an OT. > > Ehm=2C and why do you think that for me it is better the OT than Ableto= n or > > Moebius? >=20 > Because you mentioned time-stretching among the things you want to do > to a real-time live audio input. >=20 >=20 >=20 > >> I have chosen to use only software in a laptop=3B the looperMobius to = be > >> specific. > > Could you tell me some things in which Moebius is better than Ableton f= or > > livelooping? >=20 > That would take hours. One important feature is the scripting option=3B > you can type down a sequence of commands on a text file=2C save it to > disc and have it show up as a command in Mobius. That way you can > trigger any kind of weird processing from just one pedal/button/knob > controller. I like that. I do scripted stuff like playing one note (as > audio=2C by singing or using an instrument) and kick a pedal to > instantly create a four note chord from that single master note. I > also have a foot pedal bank that can fade in or fade out any track in > the background=2C thus allowing me to play or mix other stuff while that > happens. Mobius is designed for doing processing like that to live > audio while Live is designed for live remixing of recorded audio. But > you can perfectly well run Mobius as a plugin in Live and have access > to both concepts. Here's an intro to Mobius that can give more info > http://www.circularlabs.com/doc/v2/starting.htm >=20 >=20 > >> Mainstage is much more > >> configurable=3B meaning I can do things like setting up any kind of > >> "graphic conductor" for the musicians. > > What do you mean for Graphic Conduttor? Said like that it makes me thin= k of > > something I have briefly read about MAX for Live. Or you mean just grap= hic > > interface? >=20 > I sure use Max for Live in my Live setups. What I mean exactly by > "good graphic conductor" is: >=20 > - A big moving waveform on the screen showing the next bars to come up > of whatever pre recorded audio you are playing along to. > - Text markers in that waveform to tell you the chords and other musical = cues. > - Text area telling you what part is playing right now. > - Text area telling you what part is coming up next. > - Counter counting down beats until the next part is being cued. >=20 > This was simply not possible in Live but with Mainstage I could set it > up like on this screenshot > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4963264/pboy_mobius_mainstage.png >=20 >=20 > > Stupid question: if I want to use a software looper=2C may I safely ass= ume > > that I need a quite good and powerful laptop to avoid freezes etc? >=20 > No. What you need is knowledge about how to set up and the computer in > a stable way. Even a 1 GB single core CPU would allow multi track > looping (but maybe not also effect processing and stuff). >=20 >=20 > > And is it > > generally needed a Mac? (this would be another reason more to buy the O= T). >=20 > It's pretty much the same processors in all pc's today no matter if > they run Mac OS or Windows. Mobius and Live work on both systems=2C but > for Mainstage you would need to use a Mac. >=20 >=20 > >> I also like the idea of building and having instant access - > >> both in the studio and on the stage - to my personal library of > >> channel strips. > > Ok=2C that is a bit too early for me=2C I mean that I have absolutely n= o idea > > what you are talking about=2C and it is a feeling that I like=2C becaus= e makes > > me feel I am learning and that I am collecting an info which will allow= me > > to learn faster in the future. Could you say something more about that? >=20 > A channel strip is like a saved preset for a bunch of effects that you > have set up in a specific order and tweaked to sound great. Think > about it as a virtual "stomp box pedalboard". In Live you may save > such effect chains as a "rack". But the concept of Logic and Mainstage > sharing the same library is what I appreciate=2C since I like using both > apps. I also tend to get better sound with those apps than with Live=2C > but that may just be me. I've heard producer getting a great sound out > of Live so it should be possible. >=20 > All great questions=2C Sergio! :-) >=20 = --_f167f01c-d1a1-4402-a896-5d5b315f08df_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
And=2C i agreement with Per=2C my approach to the Octatrack is to use it fo= r what it good at and what i like=2C and (perhaps unlike Per) let the limit= ations I encounter be inspiration rather than a problem as such. If that at= all makes sense. =3B
So reading manuals can be a good thing=2C BUT= the octatrack manual is not that great to get a feeling for the machine. I= t will =3Banswer =3Bquite =3Ba few =3Bquestions =3Bwith= regards to what =3Bpossible. You should also check out instructual&nbs= p=3Bvideos =3Bbut from Elektron and check out the elektron users forum = where there are soem who dislike the octa becouse it does not fit into ther= e workflow.. and I sometimes think that NOTHING will fit there dream workfl= ow. That is why i prefer to be inspired and guided by gear and let limitati= ons together with my =3Bintentions =3Bform what i do. =3B
=
Fo example i started out by having an idea that i would ONLY use live = guitar and no pre-recorded samples. BUT then i found out that it was fun an=  =3Binspirational =3Bto mix samples with guitar and it os also fun = to take a piano sample and turn it to both a strange synth sound and a bass= line with the octa. OR do the same thing with live guitar.. =3B
<= div>
So whatever you choose it will be a leap... a would imag= ine that a software/laptop based solution could do almost anything if you b= ut enough time into configuration and setup while the octatrack would proba= bly be a first learning step=2C some =3Bfrustration =3Band then you= might=2C as I did=2C get a almost instant gratification by the amount of f= un you can have if you are a bit open.. sort of..

= Got to run=2C

Anders

>=3B Date: Fri=2C 24 Aug 2012 13:43:50 +0200
>= =3B Subject: Re: Octatrack vs Ableton Live quick help
>=3B From: perbo= ysen@gmail.com
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B =
>=3B Sergio=2C you should really download the manuals for all these g= ear and
>=3B compare them properly based on your musical ideas. No one= here knows
>=3B exactly what you want to do and by asking like this y= ou will only
>=3B receive answers based on what we use the gear for in= our musical
>=3B vision. I'll try to put in some answers anyway=2C b= ut please remember
>=3B that I'm basing my performances to a great dea= l on what I'm avoiding=3B
>=3B meaning I have technically restricted m= y setup quite drastically in
>=3B order to allow more musical actions= =2C using fewer things but trying to
>=3B learn them well and become f= ast within my limitations so the musical
>=3B flow can prosper freely.= That's just my choice. You may want to make
>=3B other priorities.>=3B
>=3B
>=3B On Fri=2C Aug 24=2C 2012 at 12:46 PM=2C Sergi= o G <=3Bsimpliflying@gmail.com>=3B wrote:
>=3B >=3B>=3B From: = perboysen@gmail.com
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B in Ableton Live= you will be able to time-stretch or
>=3B >=3B>=3B pitch-shift a l= oop if you record it as an Audio Clip. You can't do it
>=3B >=3B>= =3B if you record it in the Looper plugin or into some third-party looper>=3B >=3B>=3B plugin.
>=3B >=3B While in OT you can=2C isn't= it? That's what I know.
>=3B
>=3B Yes=2C I'm under the impressi= on that time-stretching works pretty fine
>=3B in OT. After having rea= d the manual=2C watched a number of OT demo vidos
>=3B on YoutTube and= listened to Anders posted OT sessions.
>=3B
>=3B Myself I don't= do time-stretching at all. But I do a lot of speed
>=3B shifting to l= oops I record on the fly. Speed shifting is the way
>=3B vintage sampl= ers worked=3B if you transpose the pitch up the loop speeds
>=3B up an= d if you transpose the pitch down the loop slows down. I think
>=3B th= is can introduce interesting rhythms too=2C but it can be tricky with
&g= t=3B rhythmic loops.
>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B Myself I don't have= an OT.
>=3B >=3B Ehm=2C and why do you think that for me it is bett= er the OT than Ableton or
>=3B >=3B Moebius?
>=3B
>=3B Be= cause you mentioned time-stretching among the things you want to do
>= =3B to a real-time live audio input.
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B
&g= t=3B >=3B>=3B I have chosen to use only software in a laptop=3B the loo= perMobius to be
>=3B >=3B>=3B specific.
>=3B >=3B Could you= tell me some things in which Moebius is better than Ableton for
>=3B = >=3B livelooping?
>=3B
>=3B That would take hours. One importa= nt feature is the scripting option=3B
>=3B you can type down a sequenc= e of commands on a text file=2C save it to
>=3B disc and have it show = up as a command in Mobius. That way you can
>=3B trigger any kind of w= eird processing from just one pedal/button/knob
>=3B controller. I lik= e that. I do scripted stuff like playing one note (as
>=3B audio=2C by= singing or using an instrument) and kick a pedal to
>=3B instantly cr= eate a four note chord from that single master note. I
>=3B also have = a foot pedal bank that can fade in or fade out any track in
>=3B the b= ackground=2C thus allowing me to play or mix other stuff while that
>= =3B happens. Mobius is designed for doing processing like that to live
&= gt=3B audio while Live is designed for live remixing of recorded audio. But=
>=3B you can perfectly well run Mobius as a plugin in Live and have a= ccess
>=3B to both concepts. Here's an intro to Mobius that can give m= ore info
>=3B http://www.circularlabs.com/doc/v2/starting.htm
>= =3B
>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B Mainstage is much more
>=3B >= =3B>=3B configurable=3B meaning I can do things like setting up any kind = of
>=3B >=3B>=3B "graphic conductor" for the musicians.
>=3B = >=3B What do you mean for Graphic Conduttor? Said like that it makes me t= hink of
>=3B >=3B something I have briefly read about MAX for Live. = Or you mean just graphic
>=3B >=3B interface?
>=3B
>=3B I= sure use Max for Live in my Live setups. What I mean exactly by
>=3B = "good graphic conductor" is:
>=3B
>=3B - A big moving waveform o= n the screen showing the next bars to come up
>=3B of whatever pre rec= orded audio you are playing along to.
>=3B - Text markers in that wave= form to tell you the chords and other musical cues.
>=3B - Text area t= elling you what part is playing right now.
>=3B - Text area telling yo= u what part is coming up next.
>=3B - Counter counting down beats unti= l the next part is being cued.
>=3B
>=3B This was simply not pos= sible in Live but with Mainstage I could set it
>=3B up like on this s= creenshot
>=3B https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4963264/pboy_mobius_mainstage.= png
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B >=3B Stupid question: if I want to us= e a software looper=2C may I safely assume
>=3B >=3B that I need a q= uite good and powerful laptop to avoid freezes etc?
>=3B
>=3B No= . What you need is knowledge about how to set up and the computer in
>= =3B a stable way. Even a 1 GB single core CPU would allow multi track
&g= t=3B looping (but maybe not also effect processing and stuff).
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B And is it
>=3B >=3B generally needed a Ma= c? (this would be another reason more to buy the OT).
>=3B
>=3B = It's pretty much the same processors in all pc's today no matter if
>= =3B they run Mac OS or Windows. Mobius and Live work on both systems=2C but=
>=3B for Mainstage you would need to use a Mac.
>=3B
>=3B =
>=3B >=3B>=3B I also like the idea of building and having instant= access -
>=3B >=3B>=3B both in the studio and on the stage - to m= y personal library of
>=3B >=3B>=3B channel strips.
>=3B >= =3B Ok=2C that is a bit too early for me=2C I mean that I have absolutely n= o idea
>=3B >=3B what you are talking about=2C and it is a feeling t= hat I like=2C because makes
>=3B >=3B me feel I am learning and that= I am collecting an info which will allow me
>=3B >=3B to learn fast= er in the future. Could you say something more about that?
>=3B
&g= t=3B A channel strip is like a saved preset for a bunch of effects that you=
>=3B have set up in a specific order and tweaked to sound great. Thin= k
>=3B about it as a virtual "stomp box pedalboard". In Live you may s= ave
>=3B such effect chains as a "rack". But the concept of Logic and = Mainstage
>=3B sharing the same library is what I appreciate=2C since = I like using both
>=3B apps. I also tend to get better sound with thos= e apps than with Live=2C
>=3B but that may just be me. I've heard prod= ucer getting a great sound out
>=3B of Live so it should be possible.<= br>>=3B
>=3B All great questions=2C Sergio! :-)
>=3B
= --_f167f01c-d1a1-4402-a896-5d5b315f08df_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 12:47:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D32DD18349C; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:47:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_bc7a3290-2ab0-40c4-93a2-65215c20f2db_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Octatrack vs Ableton Live quick help Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:47:33 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,,<62169F6A-B2D7-43EA-8D7A-957249BE32EB@gmail.com>,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2012 12:47:32.0930 (UTC) FILETIME=[A127F220:01CD81F6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:47:34 +0000 (UTC) --_bc7a3290-2ab0-40c4-93a2-65215c20f2db_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ONE way to do it on the octa is to program a sequence as your arpeggio and = the pitch shift the whole thing from the midi controller.. another way migh= t be to use the MIDI arpegiatir on the octatrack but connected to a non mid= i octatrack track (the octa track has eight midi tracks ANS eight "normal" = track" so the midi tracks can control external synths (or any MIDI stuff in= cluding a EDP=2C which means that i can MIDI program sequences of EDP behav= ior .. now since i now next to nothning about midi i have not experimented = with this.. yet.. :-) )A cool thin is the use rate to change pitch instead = of pitch siince you can then use non standard intervals related to natural = harmonics 1/2 speed is an octave and so on of course pitch is not fixed to = intervals so it is doable there as well but rate gives a different timbre t= o the sound....) Anders > wrote: > > The you have the more sample style recording used with what is called a > > "flex machine" with this you can record samples either freely or trigge= red > > by a sequencer step. >=20 >=20 > That's a really cool technique that I had in mind for years before > finally finding a way make it happen. My idea is to sample one note > and instantly have that note played back by a step sequencer as a > chord arpeggio. Then I use foot pedals to change pattern in the > sequencer to move through any chord change vamp while playing along. > Typically I use one pedal to sample a note and nine pedals for > different chords/sequence patterns/arpeggios. This was quite quirky to > set up in software and I assume it would be easier with the Octa. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 = --_bc7a3290-2ab0-40c4-93a2-65215c20f2db_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ONE way to do it on the octa is to program a sequence as your arpeggio and = the pitch shift the whole thing from the midi =3Bcontroller.. another w= ay =3Bmight =3Bbe to use the MIDI arpegiatir on the octatrack but c= onnected to a non midi octatrack track (the octa track has eight midi track= s ANS eight "normal" track" so the midi tracks can control external synths = (or any MIDI stuff =3Bincluding =3Ba EDP=2C which means that i can = MIDI program sequences of EDP =3Bbehavior =3B.. now since i now nex= t to nothning about midi i have not experimented with this.. yet.. :-) )A cool thin is the use rate to change pitch instead of pitch siince you c= an then use non standard intervals =3Brelated =3Bto natural =3B= harmonics =3B1/2 speed is an octave and so on of course pitch is not fi= xed to intervals so it is doable there as well but rate gives a different t= imbre to the sound....)

Anders

>=3B <=3Banders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com>=3B wrote:
>= =3B >=3B The you have the more sample style recording used with what is c= alled a
>=3B >=3B "flex machine" with this you can record samples ei= ther freely or triggered
>=3B >=3B by a sequencer step.
>=3B >=3B
>=3B That's a really cool technique that I had in mind for y= ears before
>=3B finally finding a way make it happen. My idea is to s= ample one note
>=3B and instantly have that note played back by a step= sequencer as a
>=3B chord arpeggio. Then I use foot pedals to change = pattern in the
>=3B sequencer to move through any chord change vamp wh= ile playing along.
>=3B Typically I use one pedal to sample a note and= nine pedals for
>=3B different chords/sequence patterns/arpeggios. Th= is was quite quirky to
>=3B set up in software and I assume it would b= e easier with the Octa.
>=3B
>=3B Greetings from Sweden
>= =3B
>=3B Per Boysen
>=3B www.perboysen.com
>=3B http://www.= youtube.com/perboysen
>=3B
= --_bc7a3290-2ab0-40c4-93a2-65215c20f2db_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 12:51:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4486E183498; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:51:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=PIz/DNUUhHM+pldW+hW9shkuuIW//OZ2uVjSyNT0yrA=; b=Njyt3YGpbxyd5q/A3gDLU55GFwFBLSxTTP/+3j06hlp5UO7GtQ89CkYQCin8r9Hn90 CSwE84toMAkIW4+vquj9mkDn0+iJqeAqEcCTc7Vnn6Pk114M/NYTmhAxteNkgnwaOo3s Vz5t0mR2VRY+Z4og/pgD0anQW93EGjQMkJRdCpqwJSzGdeUYZc6VFSja6wgUnnUt/56Z Rp9dC6EUd7gjm7GHTC2EmIa2FTJpDkYpHsRi/uG4fcMZstvQ8sCemO7iunMAO6KYaCyX goR/HJNI92coOWqMEc8jif2E+k46SwtEPpl/cKmEt/+G1DkADqkCGKE4a3/RkKsEJtIO lkOw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <62169F6A-B2D7-43EA-8D7A-957249BE32EB@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:51:58 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Octatrack vs Ableton Live quick help From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:51:59 +0000 (UTC) Is there a *machine* on the Octa that works just like a sampler? If there is, can this "sampler machine" sample live, in real-time, and instantly apply sampler functions like setting loop points for smooth prolonged note playback? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > ONE way to do it on the octa is to program a sequence as your arpeggio and > the pitch shift the whole thing from the midi controller.. another way might > be to use the MIDI arpegiatir on the octatrack but connected to a non midi > octatrack track (the octa track has eight midi tracks ANS eight "normal" > track" so the midi tracks can control external synths (or any MIDI stuff > including a EDP, which means that i can MIDI program sequences of EDP > behavior .. now since i now next to nothning about midi i have not > experimented with this.. yet.. :-) ) > A cool thin is the use rate to change pitch instead of pitch siince you can > then use non standard intervals related to natural harmonics 1/2 speed is an > octave and so on of course pitch is not fixed to intervals so it is doable > there as well but rate gives a different timbre to the sound....) > > Anders > >> wrote: >> > The you have the more sample style recording used with what is called a >> > "flex machine" with this you can record samples either freely or >> > triggered >> > by a sequencer step. >> >> >> That's a really cool technique that I had in mind for years before >> finally finding a way make it happen. My idea is to sample one note >> and instantly have that note played back by a step sequencer as a >> chord arpeggio. Then I use foot pedals to change pattern in the >> sequencer to move through any chord change vamp while playing along. >> Typically I use one pedal to sample a note and nine pedals for >> different chords/sequence patterns/arpeggios. This was quite quirky to >> set up in software and I assume it would be easier with the Octa. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 12:52:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9F9C18349E; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:52:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_a8d7422a-cb2f-4666-b175-25443d2f1dbe_" X-Originating-IP: [217.92.117.212] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: RE: Octatrack vs Ableton Live quick help Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:52:12 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,,<62169F6A-B2D7-43EA-8D7A-957249BE32EB@gmail.com>,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2012 12:52:12.0786 (UTC) FILETIME=[47F69520:01CD81F7] Resent-Message-ID: <7zVo9.A.AeH.9j3NQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:52:13 +0000 (UTC) --_a8d7422a-cb2f-4666-b175-25443d2f1dbe_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable @ AndersWhat are you talking about? No sorry=2C I love long answers! Have y= ou noticed that I am a bit talkative too? Or writative....Anders=2C I decid= ed=2C I want it!Damn!I knew!When I had to decide for a looper I felt it tha= t I should have bought the OT.Now used I am buying it for 900=2C and I paid= 600 for the Boomerang=2C it is crazy to even just think that you should sa= ve those 300!I mean=2C of course=2C talking of my needs. Very possibly othe= r looper artists would find the Boomerang a better option. Thanks man! I will very probably contact you soon to receive some help with= the Octa if you agree.:) @ PerI know I know=2C I will try to become a responsible adult as soon as p= ossible. Next time I need something I will try to take it easy.This time=2C= once again=2C I was carried by the events which brought me to find Ableton= and OT at a good price from good nice people.And I did not want to lose th= e deal. Anyway thanks a LOT for your answers (great answers!)=2C I understand much = better now.I just am curious about why you need a graphical view of "what c= omes next" in an improvisation looping session where supposedly you do not = have anything prepared.Or you play the music live (no playback) but based o= n a structure=2C not 100% improvisation? I mean=2C like having themes which= you know and play... Yes=2C I absolutely need the timestretch and the pitchshift=2C separately= =2C not as speedshift. So=2C thanks for telling me how it works. I am sure = I need the OT now and I am less sad tor emptying my bank account. The scripting options of Moebious seem VERY interesting to me. I will defin= itely investigate more on that. Thanks. So=2C here we go:I will buy OT and Ableton=2C a LaunchPad and a FootControl= ler. All used of course (foot controller still I have to find it).I will ex= tend the Ram of my notebook and clean it a bit.And I will use Ableton (alon= e or with Moebius) and the OT. Now I have to sell some stuff to pay my bills.Oki.Thanks again. = --_a8d7422a-cb2f-4666-b175-25443d2f1dbe_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
@ Anders
What are you talking about? No sorry=2C I love long answers! H= ave you noticed that I am a bit talkative too? Or writative....
Anders= =2C I decided=2C I want it!
Damn!
I knew!
Whe= n =3BI had to decide for a looper I felt it that I should have bought t= he OT.
Now used I am buying it for 900=2C and I paid 600 for the = Boomerang=2C it is crazy to even just think that you should save those 300!=
I mean=2C of course=2C talking of my needs. Very possibly other = looper artists would find the Boomerang a better option.

Thanks =3Bman! I will very probably contact you soon to receive = some help with the Octa if you agree.
:)


@ Per
I know I know=2C I will try to become a res= ponsible adult as soon as possible. Next time I need something I will try t= o take it easy.
This =3Btime=2C once again=2C I was car= ried by the events which brought me to find Ableton and OT at a good price = from good nice people.
And I did not want to lose the deal.
=

Anyway thanks a LOT for your answers (great answers!)= =2C I understand much better now.
I just am curious about why you= need a graphical view of "what comes next" in an improvisation looping ses= sion where supposedly you do not have anything prepared.
Or you p= lay the music live (no playback) but based on a structure=2C not 100% impro= visation? I mean=2C like having themes which you know and play...

Yes=2C I absolutely need the timestretch and the pitchshift= =2C separately=2C not as speedshift. So=2C thanks for telling me how it wor= ks. I am sure I need the OT now and I am less sad tor emptying my bank acco= unt.

The scripting options of Moebious seem VERY i= nteresting to me. I will definitely investigate more on that. Thanks.
=


So=2C here we go:
I will buy O= T and Ableton=2C a LaunchPad and a FootController. All used of course (foot= controller still I have to find it).
I will extend the Ram of my= notebook and clean it a bit.
And I will use Ableton (alone or wi= th Moebius) and the OT.

Now I have to sell some st= uff to pay my bills.
Oki.
Thanks again.

<= /div>
= --_a8d7422a-cb2f-4666-b175-25443d2f1dbe_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 13:20:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 745B2183498; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:20:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_931b8580-793b-4009-be72-5036b6c2b0e6_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Subject: RE: Octatrack vs Ableton Live quick help Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:20:18 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,,<62169F6A-B2D7-43EA-8D7A-957249BE32EB@gmail.com>,,,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2012 13:20:18.0364 (UTC) FILETIME=[34A55FC0:01CD81FB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:20:24 +0000 (UTC) --_931b8580-793b-4009-be72-5036b6c2b0e6_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In shorts yes=2C i ljust did what you avsked about and it is done verk fast= and so you can do it on a newly recoded sample with ease. I also think tha= t already applied setting will still be there if you record another sample = live And the arpeggio think coul also be done with LFO and by having several pat= ern and switch pattern to change chord. That way several arpeggios or melod= ies can be changed at the same time... > Date: Fri=2C 24 Aug 2012 14:51:58 +0200 > Subject: Re: Octatrack vs Ableton Live quick help > From: perboysen@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > Is there a *machine* on the Octa that works just like a sampler? >=20 > If there is=2C can this "sampler machine" sample live=2C in real-time=2C = and > instantly apply sampler functions like setting loop points for smooth > prolonged note playback? >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 > On Fri=2C Aug 24=2C 2012 at 2:47 PM=2C Anders Bergdahl > wrote: > > ONE way to do it on the octa is to program a sequence as your arpeggio = and > > the pitch shift the whole thing from the midi controller.. another way = might > > be to use the MIDI arpegiatir on the octatrack but connected to a non m= idi > > octatrack track (the octa track has eight midi tracks ANS eight "normal= " > > track" so the midi tracks can control external synths (or any MIDI stuf= f > > including a EDP=2C which means that i can MIDI program sequences of EDP > > behavior .. now since i now next to nothning about midi i have not > > experimented with this.. yet.. :-) ) > > A cool thin is the use rate to change pitch instead of pitch siince you= can > > then use non standard intervals related to natural harmonics 1/2 speed = is an > > octave and so on of course pitch is not fixed to intervals so it is doa= ble > > there as well but rate gives a different timbre to the sound....) > > > > Anders > > > >> wrote: > >> > The you have the more sample style recording used with what is calle= d a > >> > "flex machine" with this you can record samples either freely or > >> > triggered > >> > by a sequencer step. > >> > >> > >> That's a really cool technique that I had in mind for years before > >> finally finding a way make it happen. My idea is to sample one note > >> and instantly have that note played back by a step sequencer as a > >> chord arpeggio. Then I use foot pedals to change pattern in the > >> sequencer to move through any chord change vamp while playing along. > >> Typically I use one pedal to sample a note and nine pedals for > >> different chords/sequence patterns/arpeggios. This was quite quirky to > >> set up in software and I assume it would be easier with the Octa. > >> > >> Greetings from Sweden > >> > >> Per Boysen > >> www.perboysen.com > >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > >> >=20 = --_931b8580-793b-4009-be72-5036b6c2b0e6_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In shorts yes=2C i ljust did wha= t you avsked about and it is done verk fast and so you can do it on a newly= recoded sample with ease. I also think that already applied setting will s= till be there if you record another sample live
And the arpeggio think c= oul also be done with LFO and by having several patern and switch pattern t= o change chord. That way several arpeggios or melodies can be changed at th= e same time...

> Date:=3B Fri=2C 24 Aug 2012 14:=3B51:=3B58= +=3B0200
> Subject:=3B Re:=3B Octatrack vs Ableton Live quick = help
> From:=3B perboysen@=3Bgmail.com
> To:=3B Loopers-Deli= ght@=3Bloopers-delight.com
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> Is there a *=3Bmachine*=3B o= n the Octa that works just like a sampler?=3B
>
> If there is=2C = can this "=3Bsampler machine"=3B sample live=2C in real-time=2C and> instantly apply sampler functions like setting loop points for smooth> prolonged note playback?=3B
>
> Greetings from Sweden
> > Per Boysen
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= = --_931b8580-793b-4009-be72-5036b6c2b0e6_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 13:22:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8858183498; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:22:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=OH2fEOeUGdeArgMmmMX9si+zfmvGFUFrF4jGu0VkfKM=; b=csXzKNOWB5yj2er9mmlyWjDbNw32yatRP9xru/en2oymKfhLNoHkaIRtqjOkf32JLJ gk1RqwN5wYeZMfZ6AdclaV62f9eHpIFzIXplcKHePXTZpnJtTZlfGZpzblgb3nZFEkcN 2lHOmYdvFMCZn075s3HBfSiMlvmudfJey5NvoEb3nwCbuabIALK0BZTJyjWsbw3FWIcZ /YkAZALNRWYJCDfGOGGI+svc6NnZMPqbZ82PZEBVEW4C4YqKVUtXUwtv+wqSqxzfnGyf fnuZve2WHBy4tfApFtBtUB29LeTLgnNFv+6ZXbs/xVgRGTefvECqUAJYrlo16Oj9S26f s0zQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <62169F6A-B2D7-43EA-8D7A-957249BE32EB@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:22:03 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Octatrack vs Ableton Live quick help From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:22:04 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Sergio G wrote: > I just am curious about why you need a graphical view of "what comes next" > in an improvisation looping session where supposedly you do not have > anything prepared. This was for a particular concert where we should improvise with Stick and Cello Guitar to a recorded French Horn section that plays chords and clusters with no audible rhythm. When the horns go from a D major chord into a D# major chord it is helpful to know when that happens, so you can make up some interesting melodies around it. The reason we played this way was that festivals requested a concert based on a released album. > Or you play the music live (no playback) but based on a structure, not 100% > improvisation? I mean, like having themes which you know and play... My usual solo concert way of performing is to walk on stage with a blanc mind and just start playing to "let the music form itself" through me. Of course nothing pre recorded, just an instrument and a looper. But the more I do it that way the harder it becomes to avoid "playing compositions" because the more you play the more often it happens that certain parts sometimes sound close to the way you have played in the past. And then it in fact is a composition, even though you tried to not compose the music before playing it. My rescue has been to develop an "a toolbox for surprising myself" but even this bag of tricks sometimes feels worn out and too familiar. So I guess that in the end nothing as "free improvisation" really exists. Sometimes I just don't come up with any melodic theme at all, just keep fooling around with mutilating my instrument through Mobius, like in this flute improvisation https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4963264/glitchdub_flute_solo.mp3 It shows a lot of what I like with Mobius. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 13:47:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31B00183490; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:47:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_16229694-c1d0-4905-bf90-f4da74df6c77_" X-Originating-IP: [217.92.117.212] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: RE: Octatrack vs Ableton Live quick help Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:47:15 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,,<62169F6A-B2D7-43EA-8D7A-957249BE32EB@gmail.com>,,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2012 13:47:15.0334 (UTC) FILETIME=[F86F6A60:01CD81FE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:47:20 +0000 (UTC) --_16229694-c1d0-4905-bf90-f4da74df6c77_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable @ Per:> My rescue has > been to develop an "a toolbox for surprising myself" but even this bag > of tricks sometimes feels worn out and too familiar. So I guess that > in the end nothing as "free improvisation" really exists. Well=2C that is pretty common=2C don't you think? All the composers tend to= do that. All the bands.And talking with my friends I realized that this is= something good=2C something which even in people we look for. Or take girl= s for example. When I was young I was convinced I had to adapt to a girl if= my way of being was not compatible with her one.When I saw that they wante= d me to be me=2C even if there should have been fights=2C I understood that= people need points of reference. The universe is a chaos (=3D an order who= se logic we do not understand)=2C life has got no sens (because it has got = infinite senses)=2C and everything changes=2C so people look for something = they can recognize. Know=2C and recognize. That make them feel that everyth= ing is in its right place.I feel that some artists exaggerate a bit too muc= h with that. Take Jack Johnson for example. He could have made three songs = and it would have been enough.But take Radiohead. Portishead. Philip Glass.= Anthony and the Johnsons. Bjork.Yes=2C there are variations. Noticeable va= riations.But I am sure there are also variations in your artistic path.Mayb= e the artistic path follows the life one=2C and when we grow=2C things chan= ge slowly...:)Like a good wine... > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4963264/glitchdub_flute_solo.mp3 > It shows a lot of what I like with Mobius. That is really 100% flute? All those sounds?:) = --_16229694-c1d0-4905-bf90-f4da74df6c77_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
@ Per:
>=3B My rescue has
>=3B been to develop an "a = toolbox for surprising myself" but even this bag
>=3B of tricks someti= mes feels worn out and too familiar. So I guess that
>=3B in the end n= othing as "free improvisation" really exists.
Well=2C that is pretty com= mon=2C don't you think? =3BAll =3Bthe composers tend to do that.&nb= sp=3BAll =3Bthe bands.
And talking with my friends I realized= that this is something good=2C something which even in people we look for.= Or take girls for example. When I was young I was convinced I had to adapt= to a girl if my way of being was not compatible with her one.
Wh= en I saw that they wanted me to be me=2C even if there should have been fig= hts=2C I understood that people need points of reference. =3BThe = =3Buniverse is a chaos (=3D an order whose logic we do not understand)=2C l= ife has got no sens (because it has got infinite senses)=2C and everything = changes=2C so people look for something they can recognize. Know=2C and rec= ognize. That make them feel that everything is in its right place.
I feel that some artists =3Bexaggerate =3Ba bit too much with tha= t. Take Jack Johnson for example. He could have made three songs and it wou= ld have been enough.
But take Radiohead. Portishead. Philip Glass= . Anthony and the Johnsons. Bjork.
Yes=2C there are variations. N= oticeable variations.
But I am sure there =3Bare =3Balso = variations in your artistic path.
Maybe the artistic path follows= the life one=2C and when we grow=2C things change slowly...
:)
Like a good wine...


>=3B https://dl.dropbox.co= m/u/4963264/glitchdub_flute_solo.mp3
>=3B It shows a lot of what I lik= e with Mobius.
That is really 100% flute? All those sounds?
:)=
= --_16229694-c1d0-4905-bf90-f4da74df6c77_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 13:57:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CE8F18348C; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:57:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=qU9vTENroOq2s6i9/sTxZt9WOCoWX/XGfIT3Tj8F8dQ= c=1 sm=1 a=TAOMcHO7zXYA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=r00tUDGj8Y8A:10 a=UncmS/Am0Fgh8c8TZh5eWA==:17 a=2wxNXEIxAAAA:20 a=NqWwFFNLCUT0waTswMoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=UncmS/Am0Fgh8c8TZh5eWA==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Chapelier Fou, looping violin with Ableton From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 06:57:06 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7A1A9F5D-7E15-4007-A9DD-1839E241CBCA@charter.net> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:57:08 +0000 (UTC) Listening to this now. Quite impressive...and fun to listen to even without the video. On Aug 24, 2012, at 2:37 AM, Sergio G wrote: > Hello everybody. >=20 > Do you already know this guy: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DU9tumNFlsAU >=20 > He make loops playing a violin, some singing, keyboard. > I think he uses mostly ableton live with a pedal midi controller and a = launchpad, as far as I saw in the videos today. > Then I think he's got an elektron Machinedrum but not sure. >=20 > Cheers From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 14:14:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C209D183498; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:14:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=P2onVSMD/9Qgof6OH+mg9rek0ZKUUu/0ANYIbOqmrxM=; b=TTPuw8mqTVzYt7SdAjpmyg5j0LKHFzekzuUXBFIldzSnXXG1juYD01aCMrZN5klXNJ fle5dM41cAjRA4YVVEkMQTxiih8rUxKORllwIgQy/3hWcHZ9UXh03wNrqzHJ/iZZwlPx X0WVhDzIpfPF0UOsej9pTL/0PiRluAsmbWJee/mJIO/nWlV9UgLsxJHPzmJOF9aIUhCK icHLXOY43F/2jEs/JoHUgtzPAPT95U1VExqcW72pYySVzCFDo3B0bbiqIm33WVTetczk +hKEVTV/CdIvhIn6xecNtfs6q87N9hCt9X9lcV8qr+pmFmqaEyfrBWZtVHqB/KkRGqHJ cCLA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <62169F6A-B2D7-43EA-8D7A-957249BE32EB@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:14:00 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Octatrack vs Ableton Live quick help From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:14:01 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Sergio G wrote: >> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4963264/glitchdub_flute_solo.mp3 >> It shows a lot of what I like with Mobius. > That is really 100% flute? All those sounds? > :) Yes. Flute, microphone, laptop with Mobius and the MIDI foot pedalboard controller. A kind of "Mobius Shredding" ;-) Starting out with the looper speedshifted down one octave so the the first lip-smack loop I record will play back at double speed and one octave higher in pitch - thus sounding more percussive. Then I make a new loop on a new track, this time starting out at double speed, and I layer a fast flute lick through a script that provides a virtual "mute grid" on 32d notes. When I kick in "speed normal" this super fast flickery flute lick thingy becomes a bass line. Upon that bass line I keep doing more Mobius stuff... like the instant-speed-control-pedal trick on some occasions etc etc. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 16:33:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C6BD18349D; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:33:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 796448360/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.177.1/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.177.1 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmcEAKmrN1BV0rEB/2dsb2JhbAANOI18q2UEBIQiAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYgDpWCBOJI/jn2DHAObHo0v X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,820,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="796448360" Message-ID: <5037ACB7.3090803@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:32:55 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: City Lights Music Festival and its comparison to a loopfest References: <20120823164431.3513.56465.levelstar.mail@everest> <7EFE44FA-E548-4C4D-8B11-BC3B799A3C29@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7EFE44FA-E548-4C4D-8B11-BC3B799A3C29@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9OKTMB.A.3wB.2z6NQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:33:58 +0000 (UTC) Matthias Grob wrote: > we do not know why Kim radically eliminated the "LiveLooping brand" from his LD site. actually, if we think about it it's really obvious. Loopwise, he was against discrimination. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 03:00:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F962183495; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 03:00:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=y7HV5UeCTf/jKLKbm8O63tQyUdOidz7nJcKvn7ZBUOg=; b=0Ft1Hyb6VL01XnlqL033Zg0KNg7aWMwCguPVPs9hyJfvlNLcVvh87kRdansjcrswPn 3mJ/pwTHmP+P/yUMI1BeY4kKsudMqbPjKFcNAOAtZNBWZIUQ0tVXQAmeTqSh4VVvHF3V nstOVUSMlzttqz1+hLHihj9KaybFnm8s0gyCppq3TXPIgFzyG265Hv1PWx+FRNAeKDKB BkUMGFY/rOW1SNhpYAfYArpNteKMe5JGql2YXd80OvbjjW0hEj1T86KbnSAPNZSG+8eE ggspGwagv11Dv8YYJO+xY5el+FZDs0sDYA+ClfyD35bwjDpIPy0d24eFhpiRYcQFLjAQ R75g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 22:00:30 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: out w/ old...power tools CD... From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043bdf5e96a5e304c80e4b7f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 03:00:31 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043bdf5e96a5e304c80e4b7f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 had a funny revelation in the past few weeks...we are trying to sell our house, so had to clear all the extra stuff out.... realized that in my music room that my fostex mr8 and my philips cd recorder--i honestly hadn't recorded anything w/ them since like 2009...granted that is partially b/c of busy life w/ kids growing up....but then realized....my little system of recording stuff on the mr8, then dumping it to the cd recorder just seemed very "old tech"....especially since almost a yr ago i bought my little tascam dr03...and i realized how easy it is w/ it to record stuff, listen to stuff ANYWHERE (it is so small!) and honestly to me the sound is pretty good, and if i think stuff is good/decent i can easily transfer it to my soundclick page.... i realize that the inexpensive cost of how most recording is done w/ computers/laptops pretty much made my gear from early 00s seem pretty obsolete...i'm still not at the computer/laptop recording...but my little tascam is good enough for me... things are certainly changing so fast.... yesterday i popped the power tools cd in the car, bill frisells' 80s power trio w/ melvin gibbs and ronald shannon jackson... man that album is so so good. some great sounds, very aggressive at times....love the nuance of how BF uses the EH 16ddl.... just some great sounds....i originally had that album on VINYL, recorded to cassette-which is how i listened to it, then the cassette i had broke (dang analog technology of the 80s!)....then in the mid 90s i found the CD for 1$, probably the best 1$ i've spent in my life... still love that cd... happy looping.... s---- --f46d043bdf5e96a5e304c80e4b7f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable had a funny revelation in the past few weeks...we are trying to sell our ho= use, so had to clear all the extra stuff out....
realized that in my mus= ic room that my fostex mr8 and my philips cd recorder--i honestly hadn'= t recorded anything w/ them since
like 2009...granted that is partially b/c of busy life w/ kids growing up..= ..but then realized....my little system of recording stuff on the
mr8, t= hen dumping it to the cd recorder just seemed very "old tech"....= especially since almost a yr ago i bought my little
tascam dr03...and i realized how easy it is w/ it to record stuff, listen t= o stuff ANYWHERE (it is so small!) and honestly to me
the sound is prett= y good, and if i think stuff is good/decent i can easily=A0 transfer it to = my soundclick page....
i realize that the inexpensive cost of how most recording is done w/ comput= ers/laptops pretty much made my gear from
early 00s seem pretty obsolete= ...i'm still not at the computer/laptop recording...but my little tasca= m is good enough for me...
things are certainly changing so fast....

yesterday i popped the pow= er tools cd in the car, bill frisells' 80s power trio w/ melvin gibbs a= nd ronald shannon jackson...
man that album is so so good. some great so= unds, very aggressive at times....love the nuance of how BF uses the EH 16d= dl....
just some great sounds....i originally had that album on VINYL, recorded to= cassette-which is how i listened to it, then the cassette
i had broke (= dang analog technology of the 80s!)....then in the mid 90s i found the CD f= or 1$, probably the best 1$ i've spent in my life...
still love that cd...
happy looping....
s----
--f46d043bdf5e96a5e304c80e4b7f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 03:28:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3975A18349D; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 03:28:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Mv9Cy8NsQItTEAHnXr6fCNbI23lcrkmyMeqLv9HU3yU= c=1 sm=1 a=s6WvbA4OqScA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=4nVKnaf33agA:10 a=UncmS/Am0Fgh8c8TZh5eWA==:17 a=okHkMp7v1uWA0prO0RQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=UncmS/Am0Fgh8c8TZh5eWA==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: out w/ old...power tools CD... From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 20:28:43 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 03:28:46 +0000 (UTC) Truth be told...that id my most favorite Frisell album of all. On Aug 24, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Scott Hansen wrote: > yesterday i popped the power tools cd in the car, bill frisells' 80s = power trio w/ melvin gibbs and ronald shannon jackson... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 04:43:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68825183495; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 04:43:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3GVEI9iUre5OC0fyy2mhMaDun60Jz60nzP/IVthUQMA=; b=s4tJp6YELZO2XiOAoL6DA28pyWf4hNj+M156DoCFMwVyEtafxjIYwDBdfrAJ2Oei+Y 2aE0UTx929xPMrJislVYD8KmPrDXY0tDT+G/PLubgZANJ/MyF22glhTKEOEA6I8fKmiY T49HJ8VXro/QpTxsNTnRMYhG4ovLww0x09ZpwJxRQpofMVdv2oarg2kStqexf51DqFBx JHJDR5KzQaa78ozbMLWsvMxuR1NM/drBfq306lrrzQTsa022vWHgExiv0F0lveOUNBTn JSpvAYRUam94Ls/IhE2f71JH9pe5CIfQqvMjwREfoUV8v53NtE+WVZ5JD8mwF8a9qIci aljA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:43:03 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: out w/ old...power tools CD... From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 04:43:04 +0000 (UTC) I too love the Power Tools CD. I'm a big fan of Ronald Shannon Jackson's other albums from that time as well. On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Ted Killian wrote: > Truth be told...that id my most favorite Frisell album of all. > > On Aug 24, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Scott Hansen wrote: > >> yesterday i popped the power tools cd in the car, bill frisells' 80s power trio w/ melvin gibbs and ronald shannon jackson... > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 04:44:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C316183495; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 04:44:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=xNMXMAMRR7bqV72TTGySVwUBj+MfS5vW6vq/0VYAlYI=; b=NC7INa+Zkk+hozE0EVEQPMUd7VXs9YYDFCzJkgJ7mxqf50mEm7LsrG3Cusu0Ss2yF1 56R1OfkZtHrYoLocnwtpRtjlwkXilwdfwVP6lkpWMcsWiUqqFQ0zGLc56sedeYs+K16b Uaq3J0jWax0BBcDxmF5Bh51iCu3sP4thesOsGF/iziBil9U41StoqDVwdt70K6N+DQO5 5be5N81ye250VfMx3hc9R0/WRBgM6h1/0AHhQcr8w58HJnfFxxy1KcYLpqw3y/GVdUgJ DomwVOnFmWRs2goQC814ZklIN/Ymg5AcMaDbL1vPQg7TtlZL88boXGLIcSFQD5ymyalQ fjeg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:44:17 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: out w/ old...power tools CD... From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 04:44:18 +0000 (UTC) Seems like that Power Tools CD might be worth something now too. Not a bad investment for $1: http://www.amazon.com/Strange-Meeting-Power-Tools/dp/B000008C1H/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345869812&sr=8-1&keywords=power+tools+frisell On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Art Simon wrote: > I too love the Power Tools CD. I'm a big fan of Ronald Shannon > Jackson's other albums from that time as well. > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Ted Killian wrote: >> Truth be told...that id my most favorite Frisell album of all. >> >> On Aug 24, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Scott Hansen wrote: >> >>> yesterday i popped the power tools cd in the car, bill frisells' 80s power trio w/ melvin gibbs and ronald shannon jackson... >> > > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@gmail.com -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 06:49:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E440183490; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 06:49:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 06:49:53 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 01:19:53 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Looping cello in Harvard Square earlier tonight. Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 06:49:54 +0000 (UTC) Just curious -- was that somebody on the list? -- "I rang a silent bell ..." -- Robert Hunter "... cast your dancing spell my way, I promise to go under it" -- Bob Dylan My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 08:27:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94B91183490; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 08:27:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: out w/ old...power tools CD... In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Patrick Bishop X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CF50B29BDC8F36_56C_51CA2_webmail-m087.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36912-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CF50B29BD0A851-56C-167B6@webmail-m087.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [99.6.110.44] Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 04:27:33 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1345883253; bh=JUboNe7Dob18WYRaY3i5ct1Y52G/5s4XkupgCdQ8vXc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QyTSaqQnxNqiLEzI1cPbOo9zfwtjJhwC9ekbE/kfjFfufm/+ECo8winLZakF/Z3qr 2pAJHMoDJBxDj9pN6OftF2RvLXd12b3Bhs+DqtZZAgeDmsMfP9jodauTy3kveHJZMe lkC1W5eGdMcXY3Jb6jTV4W+wj5NseN0+wSl8Eayc= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:436798080:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c950388c753acd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 08:27:36 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CF50B29BDC8F36_56C_51CA2_webmail-m087.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I love Power Tools. Ronald Shannon Jackson is one of my all-time favorite d= rummer. Melvin Gibbs is always a great bassist. Bill scorches on this cd. I= have it in my car right now, as a matter of fact. =3D-) PJ -----Original Message----- From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight Sent: Fri, Aug 24, 2012 11:00 pm Subject: out w/ old...power tools CD... had a funny revelation in the past few weeks...we are trying to sell our ho= use, so had to clear all the extra stuff out.... realized that in my music room that my fostex mr8 and my philips cd recorde= r--i honestly hadn't recorded anything w/ them since like 2009...granted that is partially b/c of busy life w/ kids growing up..= ..but then realized....my little system of recording stuff on the mr8, then dumping it to the cd recorder just seemed very "old tech"....espe= cially since almost a yr ago i bought my little=20 tascam dr03...and i realized how easy it is w/ it to record stuff, listen t= o stuff ANYWHERE (it is so small!) and honestly to me the sound is pretty good, and if i think stuff is good/decent i can easily = transfer it to my soundclick page.... i realize that the inexpensive cost of how most recording is done w/ comput= ers/laptops pretty much made my gear from early 00s seem pretty obsolete...i'm still not at the computer/laptop recor= ding...but my little tascam is good enough for me... things are certainly changing so fast.... yesterday i popped the power tools cd in the car, bill frisells' 80s power = trio w/ melvin gibbs and ronald shannon jackson... man that album is so so good. some great sounds, very aggressive at times..= ..love the nuance of how BF uses the EH 16ddl.... just some great sounds....i originally had that album on VINYL, recorded to= cassette-which is how i listened to it, then the cassette i had broke (dang analog technology of the 80s!)....then in the mid 90s i f= ound the CD for 1$, probably the best 1$ i've spent in my life... still love that cd... happy looping.... s---- =20 ----------MB_8CF50B29BDC8F36_56C_51CA2_webmail-m087.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I l= ove Power Tools. Ronald Shannon Jackson is one of my all-time favorite drum= mer. Melvin Gibbs is always a great bassist. Bill scorches on this cd. I ha= ve it in my car right now, as a matter of fact.

=3D-) PJ


had a funny revelation in the past few weeks...we are trying to sell our ho= use, so had to clear all the extra stuff out....
realized that in my music room that my fostex mr8 and my philips cd recorde= r--i honestly hadn't recorded anything w/ them since
like 2009...granted that is partially b/c of busy life w/ kids growing up..= ..but then realized....my little system of recording stuff on the
mr8, then dumping it to the cd recorder just seemed very "old tech"....espe= cially since almost a yr ago i bought my little
tascam dr03...and i realized how easy it is w/ it to record stuff, listen t= o stuff ANYWHERE (it is so small!) and honestly to me
the sound is pretty good, and if i think stuff is good/decent i can easily&= nbsp; transfer it to my soundclick page....
i realize that the inexpensive cost of how most recording is done w/ comput= ers/laptops pretty much made my gear from
early 00s seem pretty obsolete...i'm still not at the computer/laptop recor= ding...but my little tascam is good enough for me...
things are certainly changing so fast....

yesterday i popped the power tools cd in the car, bill frisells' 80s power = trio w/ melvin gibbs and ronald shannon jackson...
man that album is so so good. some great sounds, very aggressive at times..= ..love the nuance of how BF uses the EH 16ddl....
just some great sounds....i originally had that album on VINYL, recorded to= cassette-which is how i listened to it, then the cassette
i had broke (dang analog technology of the 80s!)....then in the mid 90s i f= ound the CD for 1$, probably the best 1$ i've spent in my life...
still love that cd...
happy looping....
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----------MB_8CF50B29BDC8F36_56C_51CA2_webmail-m087.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 12:18:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A03D183494; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 12:18:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5038C269.80009@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 08:17:45 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #803 for August 23, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4nhXkD.A.k9B.8JMOQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 12:18:05 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/gt/playlists/2012/120823.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #803 August 23, 2012. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels?playlist_date=08-23-2012 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on The Tangent Project. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Live on Star's End 12.06.09." http://soundscapes.us/gt/ playlists/2012/focus.html#aug PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Animusic Harmonic Voltage Animusic (Animusic) Animusic Fiber Bundles Animusic 2 (Animusic) VA [Fanger and Snap Shot Second Decade (Manikin) Schonwalser] Daren Keck Song and Dance Quiet Hillside (Wayfarer) Monty Adkins Permutations Four Shibus (Audiobulb) Bruno Sanfilippo The Gray Umbrella Urbs (Hypnos) Modulator ESP Event Horizon Event Horizon (none) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== The Tangent Project Autopilot Live on Star's End 12.06.09 The Tangent Project Flow Live on Star's End 12.06.09 The Tangent Project Kyoto Vertigo Live on Star's End 12.06.09 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long focus on The Tangent Project. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Surface." Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Alternate site: http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 19:01:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4520518347A; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 19:01:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=C1LdBU7eeTf1bJyUH7oIxGf4kc8N924ZmvDPhkQCp1s=; b=c5nW2/DBqhiVbFN58bXYTRNmKEhfV+bV0TVzjSs74mAqxQQZlZCFwGQWIMUpBcrdrv Tl8DO57KnnOIK0VjEKba4L54brWxOv8THUN141TOgY2+LBlGfww2XbrH3gsh9eKddhWO +nl9YnpYCNRWl8c9Jp0NXgUg/Vruh/1IzWEsuMv67aoLS3s9j8sRMFIIa6hDnbe0g3sQ HcXYTYFczviPs9kj/WEnb2BWhWr2LzhdOZU7gyQcphfnCbwF2Tjy6dprmcyHnL903D8C 9KJZ++VjmDJs2oiGrxeCqVJDoIS/nR1S9FCYV2e07SMIuWym8qTN/w9hvZqNwa5MEFut 54pQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:00:59 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: out w/ old...power tools CD... From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f6474fd99d24404c81bb630 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 19:01:01 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f6474fd99d24404c81bb630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ted said: Truth be told...that is my most favorite Frisell album of all. Ted-i think i'd have to agree w/ you on the above... s--- --e89a8f6474fd99d24404c81bb630 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 ted said:
Truth be told...that is my most favorite Frisell album of all.


Ted-i think i'd have to agree w/ you on the above...
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--e89a8f6474fd99d24404c81bb630-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 21:02:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1646618347B; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:02:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 586574.41265.bm@omp1015.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1345928563; bh=WyEExIs5EMqaTy8H0HcklbGI2ETon51QHfIf3h3hlzE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4n5RExssv8D/Egyva3O6OObG8afMiG8zynJbToYXbg0xvjuZxSeIHIGf9shaWATHWk7/NHLM49JPHo9+lCE/VTwRbqXSaaGKZCWErAYFsMuDQTKT+/LyMp3O/p+iuviFvg3hWFjy6IiMcq3QMnuJVSqeUyY0Am1MPnVv2T+w2q4= X-YMail-OSG: 4PQJSIcVM1n5KxAc9ChMx1BYcm97mINiXA2obnMMbrxu1oC cZnc7c6KXi5.SE6pMzK_ielBKGW_VBgwU5ReCpI.bKHsALcLsq819MRrNMyQ 5pK1aboZa0x.F9qPtLlx9OdoZ9shdwdn2LSTaZ8yMPc77lDGM6Ad3JXAyLSS t0257800JkFEDzkET83wYv4MF9pH8s7pQbWjHZrZP_HcFYdSGEYcP55NSoMF gPiL9w9W6UJWuwR9e5VbSRALCp71ZHVWR2rvzjwlAPCs_X1dJFl5BZw2QzOr AMWKHxtdnm9ji.P_S31cewIRF.wThsesQZag2yRebxWN1t7XH0eHR1rxagsM 2shoBjjkc6V9HrySwEYnXJbYVAm8pG9Q_SoKnrDr6jmvRO6Ra84v1pM3OQ2N 2bB6wZ8gZC6kJ_IZeqxrCyqPBLEMS0krWs38e2kzH7uAzSvmrl5x35BUQkya wEW9hE3KhvMy1Fq.x.h7PheWGj4dDjTIPt680HkaafFztSS.GUO8rtknsEnj l_ZL48bH_lChGxHQQrc8wPOHAh8pLrcabxvQs3PnMq_CkXUhKLUYv1JAcYd_ Mpa65hOl3cK_fHCBq2QPLo.97RW5z.BJS4iPKSimnwnQu9v92mjafCq21UMT A0yLyo_Gb49cUmzE2sMPzSIEwiGDTHSDWZIBSV_xzhg-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.121.416 Message-ID: <1345928563.88103.YahooMailClassic@web84519.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:02:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: out w/ old...power tools CD... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1188453628-1280912733-1345928563=:88103" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:02:44 +0000 (UTC) --1188453628-1280912733-1345928563=:88103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BRILLIANT, hard-edge stuff. I saw him play to support that record, at Night= stage in Cambridge, circa 1987. Shook his hand. Very nice, sweet-tempered g= uy. =A0 Tim Mungenast Editor/Writer/Proofreader: www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast Guitarist/Composer/Vocalist: www.reverbnation.com/timmungenast --- On Sat, 8/25/12, Scott Hansen wrote: From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: out w/ old...power tools CD... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Saturday, August 25, 2012, 3:00 PM ted said: Truth be told...that is my most favorite Frisell album of all. Ted-i think i'd have to agree w/ you on the above... s--- =0A --1188453628-1280912733-1345928563=:88103 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
BRILLIANT, hard-edge stuff. I saw him play to= support that record, at Nightstage in Cambridge, circa 1987. Shook his han= d. Very nice, sweet-tempered guy.
 

Tim MungenastEditor/Writer/Proofreader: www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast
Gu= itarist/Composer/Vocalist: www.reverbnation.com/timmungenast

--- On Sat, 8/25/12, Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrot= e:

From: Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.= com>
Subject: Re: out w/ old...power tools CD...
To: Loopers-Delig= ht@loopers-delight.com
Date: Saturday, August 25, 2012, 3:00 PM

<= div id=3D"yiv279949777">ted said:
Truth be told...that is my most favori= te Frisell album of all.


Ted-i think i'd have to agree w/ you on= the above...
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--1188453628-1280912733-1345928563=:88103-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 08:45:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 892AE18347D; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 08:45:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0767326224==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120827084504.19980.9952.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 04:45:06 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Attention people who still use old fashioned tape-loops Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 08:45:02 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0767326224== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello!=20We=20at=20Prosomawi=20Media=20are=20setting=20up=20a=20discussion= =20mailing=20list=20dedicated=20to=20the=20 modern-day=20use=20of=20tapes,=20both=20audio=20and=20video;=20reel=20and= =20cassette=20(they=20might=20be=20phasing=20out,=20but=20 we=20know=20tapers=20are=20out=20there;=20they=20still=20sell=20recordable= =20cassettes,=20last=20I=20checked).=20Well,=20we=20 advertise=20here=20because=20I=20heard=20people=20on=20this=20list=20talkin= g=20about=20loops=20using=20tapes.=20So,=20for=20people=20that=20use=20 tapes,=20join=20Tapeville.=20It's=20going=20to=20be=20its=20own=20website= =20soon,=20but=20we=20need=20some=20list=20 subscribers=20before=20we=20make=20the=20website.=20Kind=20of=20like=20LD;= =20there's=20a=20website=20and=20a=20mailing=20list,=20 sometimes,=20really=20informative=20list=20posts=20will=20be=20selected=20f= or=20the=20website.=20The=20list=20serve=20for=20Tapeville,=20 the=20official=20mailing=20list=20for=20users=20of=20tapes=20(which=20inclu= des=20people=20that=20convert=20tapes=20to=20digital)=20which=20is=20not=20= very=20 active=20yet=20(we=20need=20subscribers)=20is=20less=20confusing;=20it's=20= a=20typical=20listserve.=20You=20can=20put=20 subscribe=20in=20the=20subject=20and/or=20the=20body;=20you=20don't=20need= =20to=20undo=20that=20safety=20lock=20that=20 involves=20typing=20it=20in=20both. To=20join=20Tapeville: Send=20an=20email=20to=20tape-request@freelists.org=20with=20subscribe=20in= =20the=20subject=20and/or=20 body.=20Posting=20address=20is,=20of=20course,=20tape@freelists.org To=20unsubscribe,=20just=20send=20unsubscribe=20to=20the=20Request. Have=20an=20analogue=20day! Tyler=20Z --===============0767326224==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 01:42:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA879183479; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 01:42:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=NNq/uMZyUTdXAEaxTXM/DHBUIDRjJzDCa6OUREoXWEc=; b=ONnMrm5/AJtTIIz1HLn/NFe+Dlg14ASH7DhO9klkXHfK/nBETziR/qzuwfbcnfcIJJ i4n6v/DskHF6hVvcohxlcf8cP8M8rCSbptXNXQiZlovvSvhjrsNNJm7GdhyVfQqSdbL4 kEt82+ejYHBMlr7V8zH8fBl2DpZXmU31OU446A4+M+FSEFCvysNlUOTnyQp9XCy22yuA CS2h3k+mHSwUQAhPZYDqRwsexM3OGh+/JVvPXBA8GH/vV3bhXy6gtiUZJsVyqqxTc8jW KUQm4fd0zB3FOS0wg9F71+kKoUPJhjHVErdjZuWAH6nTLQnZ3WOAhz1bsz2OZ2uexYEg WNqQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 18:42:43 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: New Live Looping video :) From: "kay'lon rushing" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043c7ebc00e9cd04c8498f7f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 01:42:45 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043c7ebc00e9cd04c8498f7f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gktF-fU09Yw&feature=youtube_gdata_player I haven't practiced or played in a while so I had like a 3 hour session. Here's one of the tracks that came from it. Let me know what you think. Hope you enjoy :) --f46d043c7ebc00e9cd04c8498f7f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gktF-fU09Yw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I haven't practiced or played in a while so I had like a 3 hour session. Here's one of the tracks that came from it. Let me know what you think. Hope you enjoy :)

--f46d043c7ebc00e9cd04c8498f7f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 17:25:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A671183465; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 17:25:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1183 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 17:25:02 UTC X-Authenticated-User: benji33.sasktel.net Message-ID: <4D07C082D8224061B31A9D9737194CB4@ShaynePC> From: "Shayne Cafferata" To: References: <20120827084504.057E6183489@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20120827084504.057E6183489@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: iphone/blackberry etc for music & looping Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 11:05:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=+OEirVjmSBFHuQlDxQcPW/ZpUffQhRELZ8FuUHmJSmQ= c=1 sm=1 a=6-rxcP295M0A:10 a=YxfxW3ofkq8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=4OyYTVdO2xIA:10 a=HT0tqCQVPCKvq6hhys4eUg==:17 a=TdhS5Mnrb5UStn2IscQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=HT0tqCQVPCKvq6hhys4eUg==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A02020B.503CFA4E.0194,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0 Resent-Message-ID: <4BuP-B.A.GlB.u7PPQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 17:25:02 +0000 (UTC) those of you using phones for looping or music/video recording in general - what are you using? i'd like to get a blackberry but it looks limited compared to the iphone. thanks, shayne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 23:13:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29FDC183461; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 23:13:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=OW6OhBLF5AQVpLf835nJN3YGXB2+GewfECIQouXcWjc=; b=JtsUUCHa0c2FRRGc+o3TArc/Vk5El0Lqg4/jZHPWBzTN9cFGD2mHhhl/RMQThYVmRf LYbJx6D4Um378Hft4qgaF4yazppBdgejn2I8Jzc1X+NsySRUhPmX9LEFoqEQ74y4vZxt D9mwb4CZBLy2ehPcrvB7gDcCRH3am40JBo0GJ2zZ+2iB59D6nYltpLCe0GOOm0czrVBm 2uGZt4nXoYW12zvwP1zqMmSxnvgT+zOOsVI7h4xKHAEbaDO+oAUlav1bNsvd74AfYvF0 ONvRt1d0x08eMV8ThmN+iuUnbBdosXw5D3o/2pS4yw6kDuui3detsS1livmMoK17eCvO Gqzw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 16:13:06 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Recommend an ABC switch? From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 23:13:07 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I send my signal through 3 different looping chains, in order to get independent layers in my improvisations. I've been using Morley A/B/Y and A/B/C switches, because they're small and don't require AC power. However, they often make a loud popping noise in the audio signal whenever I switch channels. Does anyone know of an ABC switch that they'd recommend? I'm ideally looking for a small footprint - my gear table is running out of space. I also need to be able to choose multiple channels, such as A+C. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 23:21:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86658183466; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 23:21:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Q74RG23Nuk5iudMZ2xxrxqeuAmVyXI+aW/BaKqAe0Hg=; b=sJYuc1LmV0gcV8ugL3et7ulJbJLsxM7ZvmtLw8rJgWKIqIhCJYz+vz5ffUtorRyEAT 2O0UAjqUesF2ZXIcmXPZjJhVaxJsL6849FsKZ/+MUNPA3iogmE/nZAAWBJPELQpPFLXj c0gXDfMlJeC0wTdlon51N+cqs5C1gMLjqW3/JqgpL6sycb4o1hftWaCjpgDROKdrg+mO U1jJfPVwVp6pFsmag99dModEWB17GQfF97a6iAzzl9lowtI1N8StvewqYcTnBniqdCie 8Y4gplEKcCuHZLYC+LXyxkItKCR3DeA73CmZSaNNLoEVl1wqDrOYoSqZZHYwSTh1jyUV 7N7A== MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Torben Scharling Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 01:20:52 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Live Fretless Bass Improvisation Looper Jam & Chroma Key test To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0430896eece94d04c85bb386 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 23:21:34 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0430896eece94d04c85bb386 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey guys, haven't been that active here, but I do check and read posts regularly! Here's a little contribution from me, a one take, pure improvisation fretless 5-string electrical bass jam. I use the Rang III as you can see. Man I hope I can afford that Side Car for it soon, and that the official midi sync software get released soon :S Haven't spent much time with the Rang yet (also my first looper), so this is a rather simple and plain groove - not to take anything away from simple music. The purpose of this video, was for me to test out my new fully covered chroma key green screen studio, that I recently finished building. Need to work on the lighting, so the chroma key artifacts doesn't show as much. Many lessons are learned after posting the video. Things look and work different on YouTube, than on the timeline. Also just the whole fact of video recording yourself, can teach you a lot. Anyway hope some of you find it interesting, for what it is... :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t0dEtS92iU&hd=1 --f46d0430896eece94d04c85bb386 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey guys, haven't been that active here, but I do check and read posts = regularly!

Here's a little contribution from me, a one take, pur= e improvisation fretless 5-string electrical bass jam. I use the Rang III a= s you can see. Man I hope I can afford that Side Car for it soon, and that = the official midi sync software get released soon :S Haven't spent much= time with the Rang yet (also my first looper), so this is a rather simple = and plain groove - not to take anything away from simple music.

The purpose of this video, was for me to test out my new fully covered = chroma key green screen studio, that I recently finished building. Need to = work on the lighting, so the chroma key artifacts doesn't show as much.= Many lessons are learned after posting the video. Things look and work dif= ferent on YouTube, than on the timeline. Also just the whole fact of video = recording yourself, can teach you a lot. Anyway hope some of you find it in= teresting, for what it is... :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D2= t0dEtS92iU&hd=3D1

--f46d0430896eece94d04c85bb386-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 23:24:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7056183475; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 23:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=UdV/0WvZcIKNHY1zW0WyqLOmEWsg0YtaWfu1iXY9pyY=; b=Eq28/pBrhUmqSiEkPiiMwCud/nPzeRa48mO9oxikHZ4R9darOTwGrSXX/bu3K/wezY sfo2d2ZcAsDnyo/+NWWHloP8D2L9oaqaVCunI7c4bBT1ZHsstDZyFd0ulW9aPyNYiDpK UR+uNpAUBw0+Wtj28c0iDi3l65ojnCdSYPdh2VDwmp7VcYmuI/esu3ylle7FDeW/0LDH 0lIepeJ4FjxSFI3BjxH6HXE1JH8QB99DS/jgPK8COzGT4GVpqgdvIrR+MHAh33iidrnP rQJb/Bg2nMqINvi+/yhm2mnmL36SetvdAwVCDHqpB5q3c2WhRFQm+j9LaVfIB1Zkwl/D sASg== Subject: Re: Recommend an ABC switch? References: From: Simeon Harris Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (8C148) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <94BFF796-4205-4A5D-B22D-FC77CFD27961@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 00:27:11 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 8C148) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 23:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Lehle make good ones Sent from my iPod On 29 Aug 2012, at 00:13, Matt Davignon wrote: > Hi all, > > I send my signal through 3 different looping chains, in order to get > independent layers in my improvisations. I've been using Morley A/B/Y > and A/B/C switches, because they're small and don't require AC power. > However, they often make a loud popping noise in the audio signal > whenever I switch channels. > > Does anyone know of an ABC switch that they'd recommend? I'm ideally > looking for a small footprint - my gear table is running out of space. > I also need to be able to choose multiple channels, such as A+C. > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 00:42:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01F8C183463; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 00:42:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_4313632c-d1c1-4869-ae30-7232d8bc6449_" X-Originating-IP: [92.231.12.53] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: Desperately looking for a cheap Octatrack Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 00:42:51 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2012 00:42:51.0318 (UTC) FILETIME=[38293D60:01CD857F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 00:42:52 +0000 (UTC) --_4313632c-d1c1-4869-ae30-7232d8bc6449_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Loopers. I was about to buy an octatrack for 850 euro including shipping=2C all with= in Germany=2C no custom=2C bought in Germany so easy for the warranty=2C al= most new.Yes yes yes=2C I moved half world to be able to respect his price = and hit time (I had not enough money on my bank and he wanted bank transfer= =2C not paypal).I said no to other three offers (now no more available).I w= as so fucking happy (sorry for the bad word).Then he invented an excuse and= went away.I am sure 99=2C9% (with periodic 9) that he was playing some gam= e of 30-50 euro more with some other buyer. I really want the Octatrack.I will never ever be able to buy a new one.Actu= ally 850 was already more than I should pay. If you know somebody who wants to sell his one for a good price=2C please l= et me know immediately. Cheers...Sergio = --_4313632c-d1c1-4869-ae30-7232d8bc6449_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Loopers.

I was about to buy an octatrack for 850 eu= ro including shipping=2C all within Germany=2C no custom=2C bought in Germa= ny so easy for the warranty=2C almost new.
Yes yes yes=2C I moved= half world to be able to respect his price and hit time (I had not enough = money on my bank and he wanted bank transfer=2C not paypal).
I sa= id no to other three offers (now no more available).
I was so fuc= king happy (sorry for the bad word).
Then he invented an excuse a= nd went away.
I am sure 99=2C9% (with periodic 9) =3Bthat&nbs= p=3Bhe was playing some game of 30-50 euro more with some other buyer.

I really want the Octatrack.
I will never ev= er be able to buy a new one.
Actually 850 was already more than I= should pay.

If you know somebody who wants to sel= l his one for a good price=2C please let me know =3Bimmediately.
<= div>
Cheers...
Sergio
= --_4313632c-d1c1-4869-ae30-7232d8bc6449_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 02:57:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7F9B183463; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 02:57:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=GuPFk9kEfvKwjVCpP01EqlgwVpAZiJLJe1BkfZyNUMc=; b=sKSdbl6eBE1cRbA/ahzsq7xlvPXnKwz3TnA3A78aV5cHAfWuJqPrb2IGLYdMzE7RxL 1Aqe4EtjlkeMu3MDZJxWiO1wSvbQqa643MC0vNakiKiFoOVQ3lxgFlrFH3bc7Hu0G7Ju cqI8Zg7cEybQh1wPKSAXaurqNlWR65DO7IJNOerYs2JqUzAj2Z1/DGoYcIIsx1UQcw8C mdcrGpC5Hx0UKYzmWQmzQLCDb0vneMp/r9gogsUejUSdABcdQ47kznipbYGUqBOjx7yU JdJ4ypJgHRo2kCnvkGToD6LsOFoRqkgfhWSLGhT+ttKIr0pD7c87+j8TmRqx6/fVhNJW c7Nw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D07C082D8224061B31A9D9737194CB4@ShaynePC> References: <20120827084504.057E6183489@arsenic.violacea.com> <4D07C082D8224061B31A9D9737194CB4@ShaynePC> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 19:57:53 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: iphone/blackberry etc for music & looping From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <4BCST.A.DVH.yUYPQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 02:57:54 +0000 (UTC) Right now, Android and other mobile OSs lag far behind IOS in music making capability. I think part of that is the iPod parentage of the iPhone, and Apple just seems to care more about music at this point. I honestly don't think there's much music making possibility with a blackberry, but I'd loved to be proven wrong. I do think that Windows 8 on a tablet has great potential for music. On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Shayne Cafferata wrote: > > those of you using phones for looping or music/video recording in general - > what are you using? i'd like to get a blackberry but it looks limited > compared to the iphone. > > thanks, > shayne > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 04:26:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9A7C183462; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 04:26:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Subject: Re: Live Fretless Bass Improvisation Looper Jam & Chroma Key test From: Ed Durbrow In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 13:26:35 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0E8B9978-B410-4374-B882-FDA2621B2B0F@sea.plala.or.jp> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa01b; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 13:26:35 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 04:26:39 +0000 (UTC) On Aug 29, 2012, at 8:20 AM, Torben Scharling wrote: > The purpose of this video, was for me to test out my new fully covered = chroma key green screen studio, that I recently finished building. Need = to work on the lighting, so the chroma key artifacts doesn't show as = much. Many lessons are learned after posting the video. Things look and = work different on YouTube, than on the timeline. Also just the whole = fact of video recording yourself, can teach you a lot. Anyway hope some = of you find it interesting, for what it is... :) I thought the chroma keying went very well. The yellow red background is = very gripping, right off the bat. Did you do the zooming in software? I = could sure use some tips. My first effort at blue screen was a disaster, = well, it didn't go as I wanted anyway. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=3Dwatch http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 05:14:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62426183462; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 05:14:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=WfUMQWGEEufd1uBjnMcdocATc1IZmeAAQlj7xN+8B+I=; b=vOlHoyxsgBf2KMhf3o0KiQQKgFxLL1dv4X1vAvSF54Ghq0VBIshFcBEb7QWDCsMRrY FUfbKg+0Mgn5cP008zVHgeJZAKQB0ooYaTvkv0isn+nLBpRmMTK66DOLNVeQjII9TtMZ XxKWS78SizcznMankJqLXfJHWPqCCr0+YQQEIFeWktdt1iXx71kTbITROjZzi1el1Oef QKvmOyiAJTj1uxPnS3msUXBjzgzXQ+JLh/QTJ748s6GOS0o4lQjsfEkPm3ALDTfalrIv Ihz+isFDaIi6k6QAQciLmy/qE+GUnkKjmvy7niPN/1EeyF2X4NdQ1yRoDXZJRIsjipn+ OGSw== References: From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 07:14:40 +0200 Message-ID: <-5931773301594248132@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: Desperately looking for a cheap Octatrack To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b603d7203c75d04c860a334 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 05:14:45 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b603d7203c75d04c860a334 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ...make that two! Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 29 Aug 2012, at 02:42, Sergio G wrote: Dear Loopers. I was about to buy an octatrack for 850 euro including shipping, all within Germany, no custom, bought in Germany so easy for the warranty, almost new. Yes yes yes, I moved half world to be able to respect his price and hit time (I had not enough money on my bank and he wanted bank transfer, not paypal). I said no to other three offers (now no more available). I was so fucking happy (sorry for the bad word). Then he invented an excuse and went away. I am sure 99,9% (with periodic 9) that he was playing some game of 30-50 euro more with some other buyer. I really want the Octatrack. I will never ever be able to buy a new one. Actually 850 was already more than I should pay. If you know somebody who wants to sell his one for a good price, please let me know immediately. Cheers... Sergio --047d7b603d7203c75d04c860a334 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
...make that two!

= Sent from my (advertisement removed)

On 29 Aug 2012, at 02:42= , Sergio G <simpliflying@gmail= .com> wrote:

Dear Loopers.

I was about to buy an octatrack for 850 eu= ro including shipping, all within Germany, no custom, bought in Germany so = easy for the warranty, almost new.
Yes yes yes, I moved half worl= d to be able to respect his price and hit time (I had not enough money on m= y bank and he wanted bank transfer, not paypal).
I said no to other three offers (now no more available).
I w= as so fucking happy (sorry for the bad word).
Then he invented an= excuse and went away.
I am sure 99,9% (with periodic 9)=A0that= =A0he was playing some game of 30-50 euro more with some other buyer.

I really want the Octatrack.
I will never eve= r be able to buy a new one.
Actually 850 was already more than I = should pay.

If you know somebody who wants to sell= his one for a good price, please let me know=A0immediately.

Cheers...
Sergio
--047d7b603d7203c75d04c860a334-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 05:32:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04E6A183461; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 05:32:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=EJfy6IbUTJZCEmN4exZ4HIBINDKKhTWDy2t/A6kKCHY=; b=0G6FyYtNuQ3ABFBXKLOtn7mNKoSvV7Hdl/9N2Q2i6nof+QaLbyz65UeBRavmlwdv42 +XzP9T9dWrR8/Lm2e2xLWb/EuUT+9s5m5X4np2enCm+3Pk38JeMQ8k8pqGR0vuZZM4qZ eXH+Nwr/mgo4SiAes63C4cH+Yp7aPh2MT/OcYNOTlc1xHeyLxMkfIWbFIsmkbwF1hJpr AhMi+3bXucmvDfOKwanjgiFuv1etFuwIcL9sYCsOxdvqnX3JMWj8CEV/4ml+myZoQDzr T/cHqW0BK3DqPFP8Dcb2p1jQWyKz4whyfp769VJn811FoIV4KUvvRUF3gwDQ3xfoBPCx QGvw== Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) References: <0E8B9978-B410-4374-B882-FDA2621B2B0F@sea.plala.or.jp> In-Reply-To: <0E8B9978-B410-4374-B882-FDA2621B2B0F@sea.plala.or.jp> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 07:32:06 +0200 Message-ID: <-3421267108126848872@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: Live Fretless Bass Improvisation Looper Jam & Chroma Key test To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <22Hs6.A.Lp.alaPQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 05:32:10 +0000 (UTC) I too thought the keying went ok, Obviousy the lighting was a bit dark on Torben himself, But I considered that an effect, it made him look like he was in a sunset, I just wanted a cactus and a horse to show up. Ed, keying can be tricky, and A Torben said, it's all in the lighting. tips big screen.) the further you can be from the screen the more seperate the lighting can be lighting), as flat and even as poss, pref with "soft boxes" to diffuse the beam, and reduce the hotspot. keylight). Have one or two lights facing backwards towards the camera, and shining on the back of the actors head, add pink (magenta) gel to this light, this will seperate the edges better. compression) use little or no compression on the footage that you will be keying (after effects??) and) don't use iMovie... and finally, If you want a desert background, consider going to the desert. >> video Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 29 Aug 2012, at 06:26, Ed Durbrow wrote: > >> The purpose of this video, was for me to test out my new fully covered chroma key green screen studio, that I recently finished building. Need to work on the lighting, My first effort at blue screen was a disaster, well, it didn't go as I wanted anyway. > > Ed Durbrow > Saitama, Japan > http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch > http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ > edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 06:40:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C55A8183462; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 06:40:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=+Q2kKQ022Nqq67WbGCNyj3Ceit828Tc2xq1eVsyEBrI=; b=qDYLM2TeJreS3kRDz9E1jHrk+7HW8H2OCXmBqAlzcyTRuLibrXOKhDCSKFgZH3ZEsi Yacedp0sBjl2fXNWsC31EP0N6DMvuvRWyzfce/ExmDFBpKuMABnHx4DLMHNqe0ea+nD3 4qufhzSHP9WZHhdN4w0nVl8v/PNvE73SDZY1Kad2bdXXBTOK3/ZohIJYh4jSR0c6yWWr DydThfmhB+qsPeBhgDcIdz41iJhfFbG108MJFikqs7mNQ2f1XLg/Vp+ThjG6Z0/XOBd0 xecfdzlR5v5Oka/BszkWwhdGZwmrk9/IXH+V0r+9va/OFL1VOhctorPMxV01SBsWmJMH rmbw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <-5931773301594248132@unknownmsgid> References: <-5931773301594248132@unknownmsgid> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:40:56 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Desperately looking for a cheap Octatrack From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 06:40:57 +0000 (UTC) Yes please, I'll have an Octatrack. And an Axe FxII on the side, thank you. P;-) On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 7:14 AM, mark francombe wrote: > ...make that two! > > Sent from my (advertisement removed) > > On 29 Aug 2012, at 02:42, Sergio G wrote: > > Dear Loopers. > > I was about to buy an octatrack for 850 euro including shipping, all within > Germany, no custom, bought in Germany so easy for the warranty, almost new. > Yes yes yes, I moved half world to be able to respect his price and hit time > (I had not enough money on my bank and he wanted bank transfer, not paypal). > I said no to other three offers (now no more available). > I was so fucking happy (sorry for the bad word). > Then he invented an excuse and went away. > I am sure 99,9% (with periodic 9) that he was playing some game of 30-50 > euro more with some other buyer. > > I really want the Octatrack. > I will never ever be able to buy a new one. > Actually 850 was already more than I should pay. > > If you know somebody who wants to sell his one for a good price, please let > me know immediately. > > Cheers... > Sergio From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 08:19:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C14E8183462; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:19:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_d02ea6e5-42e5-43a8-8d74-4d48a866efac_" X-Originating-IP: [217.92.117.212] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: RE: Desperately looking for a cheap Octatrack Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:19:04 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<-5931773301594248132@unknownmsgid>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2012 08:19:04.0244 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3B24740:01CD85BE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:19:06 +0000 (UTC) --_d02ea6e5-42e5-43a8-8d74-4d48a866efac_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Per and Mark! I have found two=2C one for me=2C 800 euro=2C from Italy=2C and one for one= of you from England=2C 700 pound (plus shipping. You will have to chose th= e vector among these:=20 http://www.parcel2go.com/quote-page.aspx?dest=3D21&col=3D214&p=3D%5e3.2%7c4= 7%7c23%7c11 ) Please let me know as soon as possible if you are interested so I can give = you his contact and tell him to possibly wait for you to write him. Let's cross the fingers! Sergio > Date: Wed=2C 29 Aug 2012 08:40:56 +0200 > Subject: Re: Desperately looking for a cheap Octatrack > From: perboysen@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > Yes please=2C I'll have an Octatrack. And an Axe FxII on the side=2C tha= nk you. >=20 > P=3B-) >=20 >=20 > On Wed=2C Aug 29=2C 2012 at 7:14 AM=2C mark francombe wrote: > > ...make that two! > > = --_d02ea6e5-42e5-43a8-8d74-4d48a866efac_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Per and Mark!

I have found two=2C one for me=2C 80= 0 euro=2C from Italy=2C and one for one of you from England=2C 700 pound (p= lus shipping. You will have to chose the vector among these: =3B http://www.parcel2go.com/quote-pag= e.aspx?dest=3D21&=3Bcol=3D214&=3Bp=3D%5e3.2%7c47%7c23%7c11 = =3B)

Please let me know as soon as possible if you= are interested so I can give you his contact and tell him to possibly wait= for you to write him.

Let's cross the fingers!

Sergio

<= /div>>=3B Date: Wed=2C 29 Aug 2012 08:40:56 +0200
>=3B Subject: Re: = Desperately looking for a cheap Octatrack
>=3B From: perboysen@gmail.c= om
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B
>=3B Y= es please=2C I'll have an Octatrack. And an Axe FxII on the side=2C thank = you.
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= --_d02ea6e5-42e5-43a8-8d74-4d48a866efac_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 08:32:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEEAC183463; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:32:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=9rL6Jp0KtzpoMHenuH91+/UiYCteg89baPQmY1yWVm8=; b=vBLNlXDWgk7jMsM9ftOZlh6SViyBqIiLm9FbsGQJZ78DM64pQ6trXOhKO7OSaIaXe+ q0MYm1nHcFRYzh8X2I/hORAvmtU/8GDslzxhorAXYF+XP9+OK9wERZlarvOlXx3F5DBa CDCAKD0nW8Yh6bhVvsaXNVR7x8/I4bkphsxmnTkjDlaDINPKP/WxjpNBL/eqomwgfHjY AfxSMDBg1XhYw4kZzqxbHS8zF3Ohu7NXG5bDT6ytf5dAmmMg2Q08y7NxT1F/7u8mmBe8 yAYgnW50Cna3Cpd/eUKWdulwUBEmFBeC0dKi2xm6CByYCDrweJ4oq660vNGZlgY4DGbv hqVw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <-5931773301594248132@unknownmsgid> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 10:32:28 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Desperately looking for a cheap Octatrack From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:32:28 +0000 (UTC) I'm afraid I'm out anyway since I don't have the money. If I had money the FxII would be a good refinement of my rig, not the Octa. I'd use computer digitally connected to the FxII for "the Octa stuff". Per On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Sergio G wrote: > Hello Per and Mark! > > I have found two, one for me, 800 euro, from Italy, and one for one of you > from England, 700 pound (plus shipping. You will have to chose the vector > among these: > http://www.parcel2go.com/quote-page.aspx?dest=21&col=214&p=%5e3.2%7c47%7c23%7c11 > ) > > Please let me know as soon as possible if you are interested so I can give > you his contact and tell him to possibly wait for you to write him. > > Let's cross the fingers! > > Sergio > >> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:40:56 +0200 >> Subject: Re: Desperately looking for a cheap Octatrack >> From: perboysen@gmail.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> Yes please, I'll have an Octatrack. And an Axe FxII on the side, thank >> you. >> >> P;-) >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 7:14 AM, mark francombe >> wrote: >> > ...make that two! >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 08:32:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7FDB183476; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:32:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=69skpZdIAHFXQtZdYgJKf5YcVUDCaR124KZiC5ttVoY=; b=jdqjd+EC36R0nDm1Zfkwpzg4PC8y+fHYEC1szT2oOhbXLPLnUhMoMpQ1JRXWaK6+Ft bCLgNOMS61R6hVbaPXI1Fa3IiK7+U/xTlDCxeUHezuy8QGmUEJfZdLXnvhbD+GXcLLKn ZkrNERStd/e/SR6vHN5hzhULLZfV9SyoVx9h7vlTJJA0qqrWxCohV3AL+G7hBS0757X/ EnpSNSuwLlKW5XalWHWXjtk+jU7j99Sji5utFRBLRmA2nqQ2h9xJTwopv7npxuF+UA6t O9szty1yyoEt4zyaZ/gJxB/jBn8+7RPuYzZNKcPfqDvo6t2JF5R3FV5ceL18gghPiqBU 03Tw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <-5931773301594248132@unknownmsgid> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 10:32:15 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: mN21cxI-0_fMY_NR7JH4do5rSck Message-ID: Subject: Re: Desperately looking for a cheap Octatrack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d041826d696603104c863667b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:32:36 +0000 (UTC) --f46d041826d696603104c863667b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Sergio... Im off to sell a few things... FS: 1xGretch Baritone 1xElectribe ESX1 Sampler/drum-machine... On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Sergio G wrote: > Hello Per and Mark! > > I have found two, one for me, 800 euro, from Italy, and one for one of you > from England, 700 pound (plus shipping. You will have to chose the vector > among these: > http://www.parcel2go.com/quote-page.aspx?dest=21&col=214&p=%5e3.2%7c47%7c23%7c11 > ) > > Please let me know as soon as possible if you are interested so I can give > you his contact and tell him to possibly wait for you to write him. > > Let's cross the fingers! > > Sergio > > > Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:40:56 +0200 > > Subject: Re: Desperately looking for a cheap Octatrack > > From: perboysen@gmail.com > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > Yes please, I'll have an Octatrack. And an Axe FxII on the side, thank > you. > > > > P;-) > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 7:14 AM, mark francombe > wrote: > > > ...make that two! > > > > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d041826d696603104c863667b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Sergio... Im off to sell a few things...

FS: 1xGretch Bariton= e
1xElectribe ESX1 Sampler/drum-machine...


On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Sergio G <<= a href=3D"mailto:simpliflying@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">simpliflying@gma= il.com> wrote:
Hello Per and Mark!

I have found two, one for me, 800 eu= ro, from Italy, and one for one of you from England, 700 pound (plus shippi= ng. You will have to chose the vector among these:=A0 http://www.parcel2go.com/quote-page.aspx?dest=3D2= 1&col=3D214&p=3D%5e3.2%7c47%7c23%7c11=A0)

Please let me know as soon as possible if you are inter= ested so I can give you his contact and tell him to possibly wait for you t= o write him.

Let's cross the fingers!

Sergio

> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 20= 12 08:40:56 +0200
> Subject: Re: Desperately looking for a cheap Octa= track
> From: perboysen@gmail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

> > Yes please, I'll have an Octatrack. And an Axe FxII on the side= , thank you.
>
> P;-)
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 7:14 A= M, mark francombe <markfrancombe@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ...make that tw= o!
> >




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www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--f46d041826d696603104c863667b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 08:34:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24B1E183461; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:34:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=KpQw5liP1cCIOcvb8rEVfjnKPL0iyFgGmraLCyVT4hk=; b=m1BCkVS8e1pEMXshvKX0wVlaSzgRBmIFspzp4+4jnO0kPcm2t36TR+pj3sQL1VT3gJ 78PEeWwnXSpE/OzpGsDT5wa0eyo1c1VSba1cumY1mQLiRMvT15B8DI1ORPaVoNNrCXh0 ZB4NU1jXqbi+NRFGIemcIdWLX2HNbqIp4p4Ko7C8fKp/99dNZ31KyLlbM/tEtVuMFexJ QOMxVdj9cD8wPpVfULDIUJbtFA+1njm+5wmu5/WKrDPPKyPzHL8SxAL8QCd3a/7IvmlR J0tH6i1rSc+PZXC61ceaUXLV7BdVdUSOLEftUd8Cy5jjgaJHq5XtXYSDS4p3h+VuaTME aq6g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <-5931773301594248132@unknownmsgid> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 10:34:28 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Desperately looking for a cheap Octatrack From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:34:33 +0000 (UTC) You should go to Norwegian Jail for selling a Gretch Bari!!! ;-) ouch, such a cruel world... per On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 10:32 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Thanks Sergio... Im off to sell a few things... > > FS: 1xGretch Baritone > 1xElectribe ESX1 Sampler/drum-machine... > > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Sergio G wrote: >> >> Hello Per and Mark! >> >> I have found two, one for me, 800 euro, from Italy, and one for one of you >> from England, 700 pound (plus shipping. You will have to chose the vector >> among these: >> http://www.parcel2go.com/quote-page.aspx?dest=21&col=214&p=%5e3.2%7c47%7c23%7c11 >> ) >> >> Please let me know as soon as possible if you are interested so I can give >> you his contact and tell him to possibly wait for you to write him. >> >> Let's cross the fingers! >> >> Sergio >> >> > Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:40:56 +0200 >> > Subject: Re: Desperately looking for a cheap Octatrack >> > From: perboysen@gmail.com >> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> > >> > Yes please, I'll have an Octatrack. And an Axe FxII on the side, thank >> > you. >> > >> > P;-) >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 7:14 AM, mark francombe >> > wrote: >> > > ...make that two! >> > > >> > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 08:39:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDDE1183466; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:39:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=TR/GA8iYIhJ84hvAw4khwRl0zrViEWoRQ2Ruk1pNf1w=; b=jxIw3G1VVartitD/tHLWRRUHB9STkvQugjL95be9gghlTTli8K0Oho9IaIYLy8bRHI XYoaLGS37SUhntnfKDRgveSONKd4HMoInenBMCZDil8ud4sO8QCffM1Zxph2phc+V6mb n2HUoRuqH9LfgWZwWhlAbX4YSDZpyacvAEIJGdM5f3iO7qKHLkKfOW65DVxfc6PJIpzs /Z0Bpks74hlCC/qfJpYhNHjnORsCqOCSQ4x/V8dKUqoOrzU/Tsv6do5VQo5jF/no4aQX jx+JofoBs/qKcEwzsZLipTaYcgJJ7zVdr9G1r85tgfgQJNXX11GB0sVxgCff+XiInOdV 7/ew== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <-5931773301594248132@unknownmsgid> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 10:39:24 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7UqbypHk9_DTqLb8fUgbRu5H0DQ Message-ID: Subject: Re: Desperately looking for a cheap Octatrack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf301fb6af2f469004c8638031 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:39:45 +0000 (UTC) --20cf301fb6af2f469004c8638031 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Twas an impulse buy, a lovely thing, but I forgot that I need to install 2 hex pickups and a fernandez to get the same functionality as my shitty no-name bari that is my love... Done a bit of Rockabilly twang on it, but... wasnt for me... But I agree, I must be punished severely! M On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > You should go to Norwegian Jail for selling a Gretch Bari!!! ;-) > ouch, such a cruel world... > > per > > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 10:32 AM, mark francombe > wrote: > > Thanks Sergio... Im off to sell a few things... > > > > FS: 1xGretch Baritone > > 1xElectribe ESX1 Sampler/drum-machine... > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Sergio G > wrote: > >> > >> Hello Per and Mark! > >> > >> I have found two, one for me, 800 euro, from Italy, and one for one of > you > >> from England, 700 pound (plus shipping. You will have to chose the > vector > >> among these: > >> > http://www.parcel2go.com/quote-page.aspx?dest=21&col=214&p=%5e3.2%7c47%7c23%7c11 > >> ) > >> > >> Please let me know as soon as possible if you are interested so I can > give > >> you his contact and tell him to possibly wait for you to write him. > >> > >> Let's cross the fingers! > >> > >> Sergio > >> > >> > Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:40:56 +0200 > >> > Subject: Re: Desperately looking for a cheap Octatrack > >> > From: perboysen@gmail.com > >> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> > >> > > >> > Yes please, I'll have an Octatrack. And an Axe FxII on the side, thank > >> > you. > >> > > >> > P;-) > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 7:14 AM, mark francombe > >> > wrote: > >> > > ...make that two! > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Mark Francombe > > www.markfrancombe.com > > www.ordoabkhao.com > > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > > http://www.looop.no > > twitter @markfrancombe > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf301fb6af2f469004c8638031 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Twas an impulse buy, a lovely thing, but I forgot that I need to install 2 = hex pickups and a fernandez to get the same functionality as my shitty no-n= ame bari that is my love...
Done a bit of Rockabilly twang on it, but...= wasnt for me...

But I agree, I must be punished severely!

M

On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gm= ail.com> wrote:
You should go to Norwegian Jail for selling = a Gretch Bari!!! ;-)
ouch, such a cruel world...

per


On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 10:32 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
> Thanks Sergio... Im off to sell a few things...
>
> FS: 1xGretch Baritone
> 1xElectribe ESX1 Sampler/drum-machine...
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Sergio G <simpliflying@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Per and Mark!
>>
>> I have found two, one for me, 800 euro, from Italy, and one for on= e of you
>> from England, 700 pound (plus shipping. You will have to chose the= vector
>> among these:
>> http://www.parce= l2go.com/quote-page.aspx?dest=3D21&col=3D214&p=3D%5e3.2%7c47%7c23%7= c11
>> )
>>
>> Please let me know as soon as possible if you are interested so I = can give
>> you his contact and tell him to possibly wait for you to write him= .
>>
>> Let's cross the fingers!
>>
>> Sergio
>>
>> > Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:40:56 +0200
>> > Subject: Re: Desperately looking for a cheap Octatrack
>> > From: perboysen@gmail.= com
>> > To: Lo= opers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>
>> >
>> > Yes please, I'll have an Octatrack. And an Axe FxII on th= e side, thank
>> > you.
>> >
>> > P;-)
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 7:14 AM, mark francombe
>> > <markfrancombe@= gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > ...make that two!
>> > >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Mark Francombe
> www.markfra= ncombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao= .com
> http://vimeo= .com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no<= /a>
> twitter @markfrancombe
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
>




--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--20cf301fb6af2f469004c8638031-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 09:19:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EA77183463; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 09:19:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=5Tt/3VGnpDGRnZC7jfHsMjurEROMWky39+gIjE4fo1I=; b=Ymdc+rVlV4ngEWPxXYjii/quB7x5ha8mpILZNrXij1BRGoXJ9HUJLEEmR/QwsREa+b BFRLt6p9izmw0lfedyDnO3WgUH9MDysnkoEcZ2Y7Q2PcRNitN/LvO5MUR8MBGfsGCq1m yGBH67rbsrOJtdHroocIP8A/RpPzjbk2DRwY1PN0aDvLwlaTDenU0rwEytgCK6cogcNH aEqw8cSlyzKzZPwsHKZM4EodDsBw00RhilYUl9xS+SxDmjWP3pLFBXvbOsQhAspFFChN cG/j4HtPT0UW7Q6ZAQprZYGOVYHWRWPTTGfsaoBtlkZAusMu7XXD45mBwcQr2K/Bg5J0 jh3g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <-5931773301594248132@unknownmsgid> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 11:19:52 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Desperately looking for a cheap Octatrack From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 09:19:53 +0000 (UTC) Well, I will rot in hell for selling my Gibson Junior -59 (the Leslie West model), my ES-335 (sixties) and my Ibanez George Benson (first batch made in 1980). And my old Gibson 12-stringed electric as well. Per On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 10:39 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Twas an impulse buy, a lovely thing, but I forgot that I need to install 2 > hex pickups and a fernandez to get the same functionality as my shitty > no-name bari that is my love... > Done a bit of Rockabilly twang on it, but... wasnt for me... > > But I agree, I must be punished severely! > > M > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> You should go to Norwegian Jail for selling a Gretch Bari!!! ;-) >> ouch, such a cruel world... >> >> per >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 10:32 AM, mark francombe >> wrote: >> > Thanks Sergio... Im off to sell a few things... >> > >> > FS: 1xGretch Baritone >> > 1xElectribe ESX1 Sampler/drum-machine... >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Sergio G >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Hello Per and Mark! >> >> >> >> I have found two, one for me, 800 euro, from Italy, and one for one of >> >> you >> >> from England, 700 pound (plus shipping. You will have to chose the >> >> vector >> >> among these: >> >> >> >> http://www.parcel2go.com/quote-page.aspx?dest=21&col=214&p=%5e3.2%7c47%7c23%7c11 >> >> ) >> >> >> >> Please let me know as soon as possible if you are interested so I can >> >> give >> >> you his contact and tell him to possibly wait for you to write him. >> >> >> >> Let's cross the fingers! >> >> >> >> Sergio >> >> >> >> > Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:40:56 +0200 >> >> > Subject: Re: Desperately looking for a cheap Octatrack >> >> > From: perboysen@gmail.com >> >> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Yes please, I'll have an Octatrack. And an Axe FxII on the side, >> >> > thank >> >> > you. >> >> > >> >> > P;-) >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 7:14 AM, mark francombe >> >> > wrote: >> >> > > ...make that two! >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Mark Francombe >> > www.markfrancombe.com >> > www.ordoabkhao.com >> > http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> > http://www.looop.no >> > twitter @markfrancombe >> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >> > >> > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 11:24:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9FBF183462; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 11:24:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_18438b33-b4b8-4b61-9900-d2169d99da66_" X-Originating-IP: [217.92.117.212] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: RE: Desperately looking for a cheap Octatrack Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 11:24:47 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<-5931773301594248132@unknownmsgid>,,,,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2012 11:24:47.0239 (UTC) FILETIME=[E5706170:01CD85D8] Resent-Message-ID: <1uYT2D.A.DyD.AwfPQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 11:24:48 +0000 (UTC) --_18438b33-b4b8-4b61-9900-d2169d99da66_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok Per and Mark=2C I had the suspect that it was a joke=2C no problem.But i= f somebody else is interested let me know. Guys=2C I probably made a mistake.I found a used one=2C one year old=2C 800= euro shipping included=2C perfect conditions.I bought it.Now I receive ans= wer from a shop in Berlin which I forgot that I had contacted yesterday. Ne= w one=2C 990 euro shipping included.Ok=2C I am at 0 with my accounts so 190= euro are not "nothing"=2C and the OT is supposed to be very resistant.Stil= l=2C for 190 euro more I would have had 1 year more warranty=2C having to s= hip it to Berlin (I live in Germany) and not to Italy or Sweden (I still ha= ve not clear if you must ship it to where you bought it or to ELektron). Shit happens? Or 190 are 190 euro and all will be fine? Destiny and time will tell... ...to be continued. = --_18438b33-b4b8-4b61-9900-d2169d99da66_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok Per and Mark=2C I had the suspect that it was a joke=2C no problem.=
But if somebody else is interested let me know.


Guys=2C I probably made a mistake.
I foun= d a used one=2C one year old=2C 800 euro shipping included=2C perfect condi= tions.
I bought it.
Now I receive answer from a shop in= Berlin which I forgot that I had contacted yesterday. New one=2C 990 euro = shipping included.
Ok=2C I am at 0 with my accounts so 190 euro a= re not "nothing"=2C and the OT is supposed to be very resistant.
= Still=2C for 190 euro more I would have had 1 year more warranty=2C having = to ship it to Berlin (I live in Germany) and not to Italy or Sweden (I stil= l have not clear if you must ship it to where you bought it or to ELektron)= .

Shit happens? Or 190 are 190 euro and all will b= e fine?

Destiny and time will tell...
...to be continued.
= --_18438b33-b4b8-4b61-9900-d2169d99da66_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 21:42:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2955818345D; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 21:42:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=O9ymq8HmC/IWDVo2nORf3aUXUQ3ulQGtnF72OfC7Bng=; b=mxdPEHNG98TzqF5XIGIvHGT6xQYVhx2jv5s33yidjZxWdCzsq0du/3Ujqiw/04LhbE CT36t1meQsjLoaIhijzHdGB6dsWUsoFWXshxVralkqa0lLSBViudU0bAhEgPZ+hsuwKd 4W9R26VcFl1NNRy8z3fViRsD613SL94Sxc6jsN70Sdoide5RjfyaPJ1J+QXch2ABt3QA osOl7ySRNZWhCUx4d6vwDtVief0SOGxCvWviVqFRxiVBiKzJHjDbSPWrDKFP2mebd8mG pT0vJBIZQJ6NkWSUzM2fQgWw0+UJwR7InwEai5jOlnCPNGvsTZjYOSM5CJ8CKkflhtDT e0Lg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <503E88F2.40002@cruzio.com> References: <20120829083435.24BB8183476@arsenic.violacea.com> <818971e73208182d78c84629b44ea873.squirrel@cruziomail.cruzio.com> <6758696601318483552@unknownmsgid> <503E88F2.40002@cruzio.com> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 23:42:14 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Desperately looking for a cheap Octatrack To: Rick Walker , loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b621e12d1ec9a04c86e6f36 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 21:42:36 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b621e12d1ec9a04c86e6f36 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In many ways the Gretch is a better guitar than the ErnieBall shite I have... but that one is fully fitted with 2 hex pickups and a fernandez sustainer, ... The Gretch however is really a BassVI as its an octave down as opposed to a 5th down... which is nice, but when cash is tight... I just gotta get rid of things I dont use. Ive been quite dissapointed with the Electribe Drum machine, too many weird pointless key combos, that makes it a two handed machine to jam with. Im hoping that the Octotrack will do that job for me (provide interactive beats)... And the good news that pricked my ears up this week was Ander saying it had 8 midi tracks too!! Got tha manual, and sure thang, 8 unusable midi tracks... thats great cos I can go back to programming strings of midi for EDPS.. I have not even tried to figure out if thats possible on the Electribe, dont think so, cos its such a headfuck to program... Im off to the UK in the morning to see the Cranes play... its been 20 years since the Cure tour, can you imagine? So theres a bit of a bash, rumours are the Cure my come, but Ill believe that when I see it... Was this a private mail Rick? Hmm Ill post it to LD anyway...and make it Gig Spam... "Cranes (my old band) play Bush Hall in London tomorrow, almost certainly no looping, cos Im not in them any more... If any ones going, then catch my attention with the sign of the loop..." Mark On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 11:26 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > best of luck with that, bro. > I'm thining about swapping out my fretless strats neck with a fretless > baritone. > I'm yearning for that deeper sound lately. > > yours, Rick > > > > On 8/29/12 7:32 AM, mark francombe wrote: > >> I hope to get 5000 kroner... I bought for 6 a year ago. over here they >> are about 8000 new. But I'm hoping for a local sale, as prices are >> higher here. >> >> m >> >> Sent from my (advertisement removed) >> >> On 29 Aug 2012, at 14:05, "looppool@cruzio.com" >> wrote: >> >> Thanks Sergio... Im off to sell a few things... >>>> >>>> FS: 1xGretch Baritone >>>> >>> out of curiosity, how much for the Baritone? >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --047d7b621e12d1ec9a04c86e6f36 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In many ways the Gretch is a better guitar than the ErnieBall shite I have.= .. but that one is fully fitted with 2 hex pickups and a fernandez sustaine= r, ... The Gretch however is really a BassVI as its an octave down as oppos= ed to a 5th down... which is nice, but when cash is tight... I just gotta g= et rid of things I dont use.

Ive been quite dissapointed with the Electribe Drum machine, too many w= eird pointless key combos, that makes it a two handed machine to jam with. = Im hoping that the Octotrack will do that job for me (provide interactive b= eats)...=A0
And the good news that pricked my ears up this week was Ander saying it had= 8 midi tracks too!! Got tha manual, and sure thang, 8 unusable midi tracks= ... thats great cos I can go back to programming strings of midi for EDPS..= I have not even tried to figure out if thats possible on the Electribe, do= nt think so, cos its such a headfuck to program...

Im off to the UK in the morning to see the Cranes play... its been 20 y= ears since the Cure tour, can you imagine? So theres a bit of a bash, rumou= rs are the Cure my come, but Ill believe that when I see it...

Was this a private mail Rick? Hmm Ill post it to LD anyway...and make it Gi= g Spam...

"Cranes (my old band) play Bush Hall in London tomorrow, almost ce= rtainly no looping, cos Im not in them any more... If any ones going, then = catch my attention with the sign of the loop..."

Mark



On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 11:26 PM, Rick W= alker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
best of luck with that, bro.
I'm thining about swapping out my fretless strats neck with a fretless = baritone.
I'm yearning for that deeper sound lately.

yours, =A0 Rick



On 8/29/12 7:32 AM, mark francombe wrote:
I hope to get 5000 kroner... I bought for 6 a year ago. over here they
are about 8000 new. But I'm hoping for a local sale, as prices are
higher here.

m

Sent from my (advertisement removed)

On 29 Aug 2012, at 14:05, "looppool@cruzio.com" <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

Thanks Sergio... Im off to sell a few things...

FS: 1xGretch Baritone
out of curiosity, =A0 how much for the Baritone?








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www.markf= rancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
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Many years aogo I walked into a record store and heards this hau= nting harp/female singer on the sound system. They said it was "The Cranes"= . They only had one cassette tape and did not want to sell it. I talked the= m out of it. Still listen to it. Rig=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: mark francombe =0ATo: Rick Walker ; loopers-delight= =0ASent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 = 2:42 PM=0ASubject: Re: Desperately looking for a cheap Octatrack=0A=0A=0AIn= many ways the Gretch is a better guitar than the ErnieBall shite I have...= but that one is fully fitted with 2 hex pickups and a fernandez sustainer,= ... The Gretch however is really a BassVI as its an octave down as opposed= to a 5th down... which is nice, but when cash is tight... I just gotta get= rid of things I dont use.=0A=0AIve been quite dissapointed with the Electr= ibe Drum machine, too many weird pointless key combos, that makes it a two = handed machine to jam with. Im hoping that the Octotrack will do that job f= or me (provide interactive beats)...=A0 =0AAnd the good news that pricked m= y ears up this week was Ander saying it had 8 midi tracks too!! Got tha man= ual, and sure thang, 8 unusable midi tracks... thats great cos I can go bac= k to programming strings of midi for EDPS.. I have not even tried to figure= out if thats possible on the Electribe, dont think so, cos its such a head= fuck to program...=0A=0AIm off to the UK in the morning to see the Cranes p= lay... its been 20 years since the Cure tour, can you imagine? So theres a = bit of a bash, rumours are the Cure my come, but Ill believe that when I se= e it...=0A=0AWas this a private mail Rick? Hmm Ill post it to LD anyway...a= nd make it Gig Spam...=0A=0A"Cranes (my old band) play Bush Hall in London = tomorrow, almost certainly no looping, cos Im not in them any more... If an= y ones going, then catch my attention with the sign of the loop..."=0A=0AMa= rk=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 11:26 PM, Rick Walker wrote:=0A=0Abest of luck with that, bro.=0A>I'm thining about swa= pping out my fretless strats neck with a fretless baritone.=0A>I'm yearning= for that deeper sound lately.=0A>=0A>yours, =A0 Rick =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On 8/= 29/12 7:32 AM, mark francombe wrote:=0A>=0A>I hope to get 5000 kroner... I = bought for 6 a year ago. over here they=0A>>are about 8000 new. But I'm hop= ing for a local sale, as prices are=0A>>higher here.=0A>>=0A>>m=0A>>=0A>>Se= nt from my (advertisement removed)=0A>>=0A>>On 29 Aug 2012, at 14:05, "loop= pool@cruzio.com" wrote:=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Thanks Sergio..= . Im off to sell a few things...=0A>>>>=0A>>>>FS: 1xGretch Baritone=0A>>>>o= ut of curiosity, =A0 how much for the Baritone?=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>= >=0A>=0A=0A=0A-- =0Amark francombe=0Awww.markfrancombe.com=0Awww.ordoabkhao= .com=0Atwitter @markfrancombe=0Ahttp://vimeo.com/user825094=0Ahttp://www.lo= oop.no ---820900331-114024954-1346331674=:41186 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cranes!!?? Many years aogo I walked into a record store and heards this hau= nting harp/female singer on the sound system. They said it was "The Cr= anes". They only had one cassette tape and did not want to sell it. I = talked them out of it. Still listen to it.=0D
Rig
From: mark francombe &l= t;markfrancombe@gmail.com>
To:= Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>; loopers-delight <Lo= opers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: Desperately looking for a = cheap Octatrack

=0A
In many ways t= he Gretch is a better guitar than the ErnieBall shite I have... but that on= e is fully fitted with 2 hex pickups and a fernandez sustainer, ... The Gre= tch however is really a BassVI as its an octave down as opposed to a 5th do= wn... which is nice, but when cash is tight... I just gotta get rid of thin= gs I dont use.
=0A=0A=0A
Ive been quite dissapointed with the Electri= be Drum machine, too many weird pointless key combos, that makes it a two h= anded machine to jam with. Im hoping that the Octotrack will do that job fo= r me (provide interactive beats)...=A0
=0A=0A=0AAnd the good news that = pricked my ears up this week was Ander saying it had 8 midi tracks too!! Go= t tha manual, and sure thang, 8 unusable midi tracks... thats great cos I c= an go back to programming strings of midi for EDPS.. I have not even tried = to figure out if thats possible on the Electribe, dont think so, cos its su= ch a headfuck to program...
=0A=0A=0A
Im off to the UK in the morning= to see the Cranes play... its been 20 years since the Cure tour, can you i= magine? So theres a bit of a bash, rumours are the Cure my come, but Ill be= lieve that when I see it...

=0A=0AWas this a private mail Rick? Hmm = Ill post it to LD anyway...and make it Gig Spam...
=0A
"Cranes (= my old band) play Bush Hall in London tomorrow, almost certainly no looping= , cos Im not in them any more... If any ones going, then catch my attention= with the sign of the loop..."

Mark

=0A=0A=0A

On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 11:26 PM, Rick= Walker <looppoo= l@cruzio.com> wrote:
=0A=0A=0Abest of luck with that, bro.
=0AI'm thining about s= wapping out my fretless strats neck with a fretless baritone.
=0AI'm= yearning for that deeper sound lately.
=0A
=0Ayours, =A0 Rick

=0A
=0A
=0AOn 8/29/12 7:32 AM, mark francombe wrote:
=0A=0AI hope to get 5000 kroner... I= bought for 6 a year ago. over here they
=0Aare about 8000 new. But I= 9;m hoping for a local sale, as prices are
=0Ahigher here.
=0A
=0A= m
=0A
=0ASent from my (advertisement removed)
=0A
=0AOn 29 Aug = 2012, at 14:05, "looppool@cruzio= .com" <looppool@cruzio.co= m> wrote:
=0A
=0A
=
=0AThanks Sergio... Im off to = sell a few things...
=0A
=0AFS: 1xGretch Baritone
=0A
= =0Aout of curiosity, =A0 how much for the Baritone?
=0A
=0A
=0A=0A
=0A
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mark francombe
www.markfrancombe= .com
www.ordoabkhao.com
=0A=0A=0Atwitter @markfrancombe
http= ://vimeo.com/user825094
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---820900331-114024954-1346331674=:41186-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 15:40:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 899E018345D; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 15:40:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <503F8974.1030904@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 11:40:36 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 15:40:40 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long Special Focus on The Tangent Project. 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From: "kay'lon rushing" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0438905fe0582604c891dc9f Resent-Message-ID: <89W0WD.A.omD.l8NQQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 15:58:29 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0438905fe0582604c891dc9f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I had an idea after realizing sometimes my looping pieces are too long for my taste. I put my phone on my keyboard and have it vibrate after a certain amount of minutes so that I know i should start rapping up the piece within the next minute or two. I tried using my watch instead because people might call my phone. However i cant hear the watch because i have headphones on. So my idea is to buy a vibrating watch! That would be perfect for my needs and it would also help me get up in the morning haha. Now the mission is to find a stylish one that costs less than $100. --f46d0438905fe0582604c891dc9f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I had an idea after realizing sometimes=A0 my looping pieces are too lon= g for my taste. I put my phone on my keyboard and have it vibrate after a c= ertain amount of minutes so that I know i should start rapping up the piece= within the next minute or two. I tried using my watch instead because peop= le might call my phone. However i cant hear the watch because i have headph= ones on. So my idea is to buy a vibrating watch! That would be perfect for = my needs and it would also help me get up in the morning haha. Now the miss= ion is to find a stylish one that costs less than $100.

--f46d0438905fe0582604c891dc9f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 16:42:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CBB4183462; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:42:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=YvC+30z8qLPoP0yfv0NOe+edKKMGtvWxQYofLOdnDxI=; b=kRvOvSgRZzghsZO7JtnV/DMDZqVUY2Oyl8+u0szHQDzwtNH9QrAum/qMsWWuuTJtma mSOpf+xrlRDs/QNH2S6JtgaIJwrq8LV9FnxCgvAPjDD89rzNZp1PnmpMw2A99b/cVL3z +x7UFJ37uM2DsNIuYdgCpUONW/SMXRM+YHkB0hWpT9J7jV9pDXGL7qqWurmw881tZPE+ 7VEnUnorG+zsbe+tD6NvAEN9+61gdonC4s8ZlmIhnqc4h1FNDk6krsgUhKOqJ7NPtNWh IMQOmBj6WMTkKqqDUqiBG3ID1cD7YUIwnWhq8CNC2NrwmWny+/4A//fyAnIs+0R9HPEc FTCg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 09:42:15 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How about a vibrating watch? From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb1ef5678d3cb04c8927963 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:42:16 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8fb1ef5678d3cb04c8927963 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 That's a good idea! Perhaps look for resources for deaf people? Maybe there's a variant of a kitchen timers than can be worn. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com kay'lon rushing was all: > I had an idea after realizing sometimes my looping pieces are too long > for my taste. I put my phone on my keyboard and have it vibrate after a > certain amount of minutes so that I know i should start rapping up the > piece within the next minute or two. I tried using my watch instead because > people might call my phone. However i cant hear the watch because i have > headphones on. So my idea is to buy a vibrating watch! That would be > perfect for my needs and it would also help me get up in the morning haha. > Now the mission is to find a stylish one that costs less than $100. > --e89a8fb1ef5678d3cb04c8927963 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's a good idea! Perhaps look for resources for deaf people? Maybe t= here's a variant of a kitchen timers than can be worn.

--
Ma= tt Davignon
= mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusi= c.com
Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com


kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> was all:

I had an idea after realizing sometimes=A0 my looping pieces are too lon= g for my taste. I put my phone on my keyboard and have it vibrate after a c= ertain amount of minutes so that I know i should start rapping up the piece= within the next minute or two. I tried using my watch instead because peop= le might call my phone. However i cant hear the watch because i have headph= ones on. So my idea is to buy a vibrating watch! That would be perfect for = my needs and it would also help me get up in the morning haha. Now the miss= ion is to find a stylish one that costs less than $100.





--e89a8fb1ef5678d3cb04c8927963-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 16:50:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 438D1183455; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:50:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 136662.96332.bm@omp1020.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1346431826; bh=Xk23913/YvRAqZxb6rY7kK7uX6jO3kDZPQF0wKQeQqk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer; b=QI6isxFutSc6CPoJqA21Zmc8lSbxtzAfQAR4EEBKqjruuUcXV9pcnXyEJcbSt6/W02ImO6SLuHtaLDCCdrl39tYLFCvEnjIj/HXaHILpjKU88WjiKSfmLr+w5bjVl+iUxgVm2m16Jx/UKyZ8YL58+vNwWvF8GX5Iygcr4lmuocc= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: R5T35GEVM1kqD6BDSBLHgk_KnpYQyoyLXrt2_MchXOxC7DO 5Nwq3BjLSQCjuPVqLxB.nI.0M54tvnc9VP7Q_eEEqdDV_VEiZ7AqitKEqIh7 XNDKPSpOaqVwLkVW0WovKb00aiHPCGkp9.Hf21r9jR9rtSqeM0BWWWg0PDbG rhHcWRyv1gJZ84wu3SUpOfQC54oBSLirvASVw7oQucEF0OjlDMubIxw0wTOd sli7tug7ITvMyJV.F_YkA2McDJCjFOGYdGUDEdI2_RuamK2jO6NJSJIt9Epa R6NjSekPiTjIoAgrqErHasSlZCWjGwkm0DJJrptc7Tjcg3rugo.TisHGAxyA fx4W5SomsIp_nttvsmAva17p0KbVMBITQrH4Imjrm6qbFSS6qdSNCfJP3qvy VRUcP.k8F9WM7AizV_KOO5mKDmNKDFmdWFsZm8gA.8.PH6DVIu2l4CQZevIJ c_PUlFePbbJfM0sou94E9RaUtck0eBbXLFxHWSHAl2CFMgZHJzg911ZzHccY IpJ9.1sr6klTt_8tViqRbWHE1tDa0D_w1AWtdocVFMez_PZZKVxZVE9BVkpl yTP_Fi0i2ah2Ydw-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: ILs26NSswBDuK82.iJb8TCN7cubm0SmUbZYidhSBIQ-- From: Laurie Amat Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_24774BC4-B386-47C3-8318-D954C5A2A7C9" Subject: Re: How about a vibrating watch? Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 09:50:27 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: <46C08F48-3168-4038-8014-7B3B5400E76C@att.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:50:28 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_24774BC4-B386-47C3-8318-D954C5A2A7C9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Or set your phone on vibrate, use the alarm function and keep it in your = pocket. It's functional and kind of fun, all at the same time. On Aug 31, 2012, at 9:42 AM, Matt Davignon wrote: > That's a good idea! Perhaps look for resources for deaf people? Maybe = there's a variant of a kitchen timers than can be worn. >=20 > --=20 > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com >=20 >=20 > kay'lon rushing was all: > I had an idea after realizing sometimes my looping pieces are too = long for my taste. I put my phone on my keyboard and have it vibrate = after a certain amount of minutes so that I know i should start rapping = up the piece within the next minute or two. I tried using my watch = instead because people might call my phone. However i cant hear the = watch because i have headphones on. So my idea is to buy a vibrating = watch! That would be perfect for my needs and it would also help me get = up in the morning haha. Now the mission is to find a stylish one that = costs less than $100. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_24774BC4-B386-47C3-8318-D954C5A2A7C9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Or set your phone on vibrate, use the alarm function and keep it in your pocket. It's functional and kind of fun, all at the same time.

On Aug 31, 2012, at 9:42 AM, Matt Davignon wrote:

That's a good idea! Perhaps look for resources for deaf people? Maybe there's a variant of a kitchen timers than can be worn.

--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com


kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> was all:

I had an idea after realizing sometimes  my looping pieces are too long for my taste. I put my phone on my keyboard and have it vibrate after a certain amount of minutes so that I know i should start rapping up the piece within the next minute or two. I tried using my watch instead because people might call my phone. However i cant hear the watch because i have headphones on. So my idea is to buy a vibrating watch! That would be perfect for my needs and it would also help me get up in the morning haha. Now the mission is to find a stylish one that costs less than $100.






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Thanks! --------------------------------------- NEW DAED SITE!! - Http://DaedSound.com DAED: Circuit Bent and Unusual Sound Devices "Making Something Extraordinary from the Ordinary" Music and Downloads at the New Online Site: http://davidtalento.bandcamp.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 17:27:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0953A183461; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 17:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 316 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 17:27:47 UTC X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at omta3.brinkster.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mta8.brinkster.com From: "listmail" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: How about a vibrating watch? Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 10:21:59 -0700 Message-ID: <001501cd879d$2189d9f0$649d8dd0$@asyouthink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01CD8762.752BEC50" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQGp04x4GrLFSc4ozYMjoEYK5FhWtwJ2J3wJl6fhvyA= Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 17:27:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CD8762.752BEC50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just did a quick search - looks like there are quite a few vibrating watches and timers on Amazon. : ) From: Matt Davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 9:42 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How about a vibrating watch? That's a good idea! Perhaps look for resources for deaf people? Maybe there's a variant of a kitchen timers than can be worn. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com kay'lon rushing was all: I had an idea after realizing sometimes my looping pieces are too long for my taste. I put my phone on my keyboard and have it vibrate after a certain amount of minutes so that I know i should start rapping up the piece within the next minute or two. I tried using my watch instead because people might call my phone. However i cant hear the watch because i have headphones on. So my idea is to buy a vibrating watch! That would be perfect for my needs and it would also help me get up in the morning haha. Now the mission is to find a stylish one that costs less than $100. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CD8762.752BEC50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just did a quick search – looks like there are quite a few = vibrating watches and timers on Amazon. : )

 

 

From:= = Matt Davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, = August 31, 2012 9:42 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: How about a = vibrating watch?

 

That's a good idea! Perhaps look for = resources for deaf people? Maybe there's a variant of a kitchen timers = than can be worn.

--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com

kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> was all:

I = had an idea after realizing sometimes  my looping pieces are too = long for my taste. I put my phone on my keyboard and have it vibrate = after a certain amount of minutes so that I know i should start rapping = up the piece within the next minute or two. I tried using my watch = instead because people might call my phone. However i cant hear the = watch because i have headphones on. So my idea is to buy a vibrating = watch! That would be perfect for my needs and it would also help me get = up in the morning haha. Now the mission is to find a stylish one that = costs less than $100.



------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CD8762.752BEC50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 17:55:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23538183460; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 17:55:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_3YGoJg97N2pjfL/ODx7cGg)" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-08-31_05:2012-08-31,2012-08-31,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1208310179 From: Daniel Thomas Subject: Re: How about a vibrating watch? Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 10:55:49 -0700 In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-id: <477C5A03-5147-4652-B5EB-C40F541CC9CE@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: <44NkKC.A.NIF.nqPQQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 17:55:51 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_3YGoJg97N2pjfL/ODx7cGg) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > I tried using my watch instead because people might call my phone. However i cant hear the watch because i have headphones on. > Just put the phone on vibrate? daniel On Aug 31, 2012, at 8:58 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > I had an idea after realizing sometimes my looping pieces are too long for my taste. I put my phone on my keyboard and have it vibrate after a certain amount of minutes so that I know i should start rapping up the piece within the next minute or two. I tried using my watch instead because people might call my phone. However i cant hear the watch because i have headphones on. So my idea is to buy a vibrating watch! That would be perfect for my needs and it would also help me get up in the morning haha. Now the mission is to find a stylish one that costs less than $100. > --Boundary_(ID_3YGoJg97N2pjfL/ODx7cGg) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

I tried using my watch instead = because people might call my phone. However i cant hear the watch = because i have headphones on.

Just put the phone = on = vibrate?


daniel 
= On Aug 31, 2012, at 8:58 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote:

I had = an idea after realizing sometimes  my looping pieces are too long = for my taste. I put my phone on my keyboard and have it vibrate after a = certain amount of minutes so that I know i should start rapping up the = piece within the next minute or two. I tried using my watch instead = because people might call my phone. However i cant hear the watch = because i have headphones on. So my idea is to buy a vibrating watch! = That would be perfect for my needs and it would also help me get up in = the morning haha. Now the mission is to find a stylish one that costs = less than $100.


= --Boundary_(ID_3YGoJg97N2pjfL/ODx7cGg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 18:09:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF94418345B; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 18:09:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=inu1wLbQ9R3dgcKjrgTVjalaR+aPqh5wbRNkmuzYDKY=; b=WnlfCaVdi94U8oRFxfgasD9rz4QYiIahoiidUOWFoLO/WfjHer3riqmEZTRQAeSMf0 EDugNx+yieout09m94y8RWOFdfMurOUr4OeEHRWTCMsz/TSYSqFNV8v03cnetA17uH1S pa0hnYppwOOji9yoi8oskCt57+IeKjNiQCbSlFDIgKZEg+Q5XspB3en/4gMZZ9DCqRvv J5pXAIvMYjpyvZG70yQdCGdTpMzC2E+ARARA7eMwbtAd/Xj7riWXPu4QIi/9WffYCHme gyg2BSA7FluXbtKd2enJUQ064TMHSx1obIu1EOPrRfp1C68IGAFvbOztvrekNr0uyeK7 q9ZQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <001501cd879d$2189d9f0$649d8dd0$@asyouthink.com> References: <001501cd879d$2189d9f0$649d8dd0$@asyouthink.com> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 20:09:11 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How about a vibrating watch? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 18:09:12 +0000 (UTC) > kay'lon rushing was all: > > I had an idea after realizing sometimes my looping pieces are too long for > my taste. I put my phone on my keyboard and have it vibrate after a certain > amount of minutes so that I know i should start rapping up the piece within > the next minute or two. Have you considered practicing listening "from an audience perspective" to the music you are playing, while you are playing? That's a good habit to develop because it makes you sensitive to "overplaying", "forgetting time" and other usual mistakes. A vibrating watch may be good if you play a short set, like for example 20 minutes and need to know when you have five minutes left - time to kick off the last piece or round it up if you are already playing a piece that will need a few minutes more. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 18:36:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 077B2183451; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 18:36:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 450743.46436.bm@omp1026.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1346438182; bh=ITtWv2pL8W3yUgF6kpyIc9XGdQp0BgF3RPCon6Jkkok=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wYOWY4mWVU4sG6cGjyq5EL10CCcD0r28AKfN7PNF9p296GdGVWsjHDgr4NMLn0jvx2KaRrDetEzNDBdtSQOVAgst0ujWw1DN3V3ntN5jEN/NB9XH0eB29+GUgE2ZNsk8HL4l5++dWYJDJOeV3BH9Xxr80xqaT/0tEoOZKUhQJzg= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PhGR5/zF0s7rfwXluApbY+pSfI6gtJbxFpa5b2bOWpBo7SACRNKZuniPLQSVzG/jATdgJwF+FxPmM5QVWQvR5hLwB4heneGW/GWp2/eXXzvcTQHwnzi89JK7LFOhXFyNz7Ilq4Kt7jh+y6nGGu51Rz9TIsZasxi8ecWhoqEX5uM=; X-YMail-OSG: sSA92yIVM1kaD1EdONemoSkPtD7UCHkU3lzwFYPg4UxaCq3 W5jPpsdmKA1mhBL0QuI5WKtz3cy4w0SI2FOoe6En6UH5mSRB5eR.31eTrmL2 ltDCA46zpMRnbB5G4smtT9Ae0laxRPGyrGlXLa.lRqgnEuGz0voYDyb2P_S8 Unrk_k9GB5E7kCl9BkU4jKGzJbdT18EuKRiVvHJn_TGwWREFWDKy7laFA1Sp W.ftXUXXbp1fPgw2mVXVE38ocYtm61zceb0R6nvvbrL41Aj6FBEdifbzCSzX jOo0ie9g6yoZVyN2wRqVT599TcN1kJifnu3yQgpj6I8fXwfKiMPliMs3YIJC IAQxicEajICieWBrkz6SqZdea2qP_nQxCZhZIf6snL2BBNve6nqi.QIWJ_6C xLWuvxBFYa8_rVFN94.B7BEXBIgFuMKU5lt.0FOjDwoUwzembALau84vDANR 0MRg.hAbMCxainPvpaNkXcM62RSObVpI.FJdhqSFwWWjUxe1S0nfy0LLGWvQ C26GoAguMoGM- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.121.416 References: Message-ID: <1346438182.65210.YahooMailNeo@web162703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 11:36:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Elmer Fuddski Reply-To: Elmer Fuddski Subject: Re: How about a vibrating watch? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1395274837-1669769717-1346438182=:65210" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 18:36:23 +0000 (UTC) ---1395274837-1669769717-1346438182=:65210 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Adam & Eve have a vibrating dildo with a timer.=0A=0A=0A___________________= _____________=0AFrom: kay'lon rushing =0ATo: "Loopers-Del= ight@loopers-delight.com" =0ASent: Fr= iday, August 31, 2012 11:58 AM=0ASubject: How about a vibrating watch?=0A= =0A=0AI had an idea after realizing sometimes=A0 my looping pieces are too = long for my taste. I put my phone on my keyboard and have it vibrate after = a certain amount of minutes so that I know i should start rapping up the pi= ece within the next minute or two. I tried using my watch instead because p= eople might call my phone. However i cant hear the watch because i have hea= dphones on. So my idea is to buy a vibrating watch! That would be perfect f= or my needs and it would also help me get up in the morning haha. Now the m= ission is to find a stylish one that costs less than $100. ---1395274837-1669769717-1346438182=:65210 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Adam & Eve have a vibrating dildo with a timer.
= From: kay'lon rushing = <k3zz21@gmail.com>
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@= loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 11:58 AM
Subject: How about a vibrating watch?
=0A

I had an idea after realizing sometimes= =A0 my looping pieces are too long for my taste. I put my phone on my keybo= ard and have it vibrate after a certain amount of minutes so that I know i = should start rapping up the piece within the next minute or two. I tried us= ing my watch instead because people might call my phone. However i cant hea= r the watch because i have headphones on. So my idea is to buy a vibrating = watch! That would be perfect for my needs and it would also help me get up = in the morning haha. Now the mission is to find a stylish one that costs le= ss than $100.

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---1395274837-1669769717-1346438182=:65210-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 18:42:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0808E18345E; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 18:42:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=tp6IVXdfaavET5IXFgcsp+8Ua/ZAS4NgGcRGkGcWU0U=; b=A7AVJEXgIdQGtp8TbUIO0U3XV2m9nG6t+XtKyxhvFcOfIk0h/vh62aPM6iEkf3apYQ on6y8tj3yiq1IwupuqkcVJD5MCX8+Xt6Or0fPCqc01LJ9kSZ3y0K1g6KfdRf8Wzx5eRF ac1Fysyu5/llZuZ5flWpEFx7F+0oC01VYdeZjhmXUtps6u0DmX6SJLgjsrUOR9i6x1ZY v01paeWDTeXQafjd/golasZprcdKkndj4YIdUgvbz42goTXzrwuN19IuawG0RoaAvMVo fvAxSDZgEaRwskOsGh/1heDrhZP43bSUQOkXwRnTyia1LqfQczBjOeVR8aHcfho7lwRw Ywog== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <001501cd879d$2189d9f0$649d8dd0$@asyouthink.com> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 11:42:45 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How about a vibrating watch? From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1c4e46e66ee04c89428ae Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 18:42:46 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8ff1c4e46e66ee04c89428ae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 That's pretty huge. (Listening from the audience perspective.) One thing that can go wrong with looping music is letting things (loop elements) go on for too long. If a brain hears a loop as a repeating machine (instead of as a flow), it can start to get really annoying. For example, I was in the TV department of Target the other day, and they had all the TVs on a 1 minute loop advertising for their deals. That type of repetition didn't excite me - after about 6 minutes there, I was ready to stab someone. As a musician, we learn to focus our attention elsewhere when loops get repetitive, but the audience doesn't experience it in the same way. Also, playing too long can hurt you in the long run. Often newer musicians see "time spent on stage" as a measurement of success. (That is, a 2 hour performance is better than a 60 minute performance, which is better than a 30 minute performance.) As an audience member, I've been to many concerts where my thoughts of the band changed based on how long they outlasted their welcome. At the last concert: at 20 minutes in, I was loving it and thinking about how I wanted to get this band more gigs. At 30 minutes in, I was ready for a graceful end. At 45 minutes in, I was thinking that I'd have to set some strict rules if I scheduled them to play. At 70 minutes in, I was staring daggers into them and entertaining thoughts about "accidentally" tripping over the power supply. Looking around the audience, I saw lots of people with the same facial expression as me. Someday, I'll post my list of "stuff to do / stuff not to do", from a venue's experience. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com Per Boysen was like: > > > Have you considered practicing listening "from an audience > perspective" to the music you are playing, while you are playing? > > That's a good habit to develop because it makes you sensitive to > "overplaying", "forgetting time" and other usual mistakes. A vibrating > watch may be good if you play a short set, like for example 20 minutes > and need to know when you have five minutes left - time to kick off > the last piece or round it up if you are already playing a piece that > will need a few minutes more. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > --e89a8ff1c4e46e66ee04c89428ae Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's pretty huge. (Listening from the audience perspective.)

O= ne thing that can go wrong with looping music is letting things (loop eleme= nts) go on for too long. If a brain hears a loop as a repeating machine (in= stead of as a flow), it can start to get really annoying. For example, I wa= s in the TV department of Target the other day, and they had all the TVs on= a 1 minute loop advertising for their deals. That type of repetition didn&= #39;t excite me - after about 6 minutes there, I was ready to stab someone.= As a musician, we learn to focus our attention elsewhere when loops get re= petitive, but the audience doesn't experience it in the same way.

Also, playing too long can hurt you in the long run. Often newer musici= ans see "time spent on stage" as a measurement of success. (That = is, a 2 hour performance is better than a 60 minute performance, which is b= etter than a 30 minute performance.) As an audience member, I've been t= o many concerts where my thoughts of the band changed based on how long the= y outlasted their welcome. At the last concert: at 20 minutes in, I was lov= ing it and thinking about how I wanted to get this band more gigs. At 30 mi= nutes in, I was ready for a graceful end. At 45 minutes in, I was thinking = that I'd have to set some strict rules if I scheduled them to play. At = 70 minutes in, I was staring daggers into them and entertaining thoughts ab= out "accidentally" tripping over the power supply. Looking around= the audience, I saw lots of people with the same facial expression as me. =

Someday, I'll post my list of "stuff to do / stuff not to do&q= uot;, from a venue's experience.
--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com=
www.ribosomemusi= c.com
Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com


Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> was like:


Have you considered practicing listening "from an audience
perspective" to the music you are playing, while you are playing?

That's a good habit to develop because it makes you sensitive to
"overplaying", "forgetting time" and other usual mistak= es. A vibrating
watch may be good if you play a short set, like for example 20 minutes
and need to know when you have five minutes left - time to kick off
the last piece or round it up if you are already playing a piece that
will need a few minutes more.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen





--e89a8ff1c4e46e66ee04c89428ae-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 20:20:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BA52183461; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 20:20:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=9BQfazrlSHEUQq4dGvQcWkWuRIf6YbWn5ZNzfZgP4ZY=; b=yA25JvhKX4Yl1ywYvlT64/N5QJfZsUDRQ8hjIGrKFE0HdMM94IoMszrzCwz3T+LL4t 3IcVtqfhreV8wNjbtHYby92QbMx0qTzmL9hkgUGMgxKxFRdos7x04rOgjmKv41DsvnAb GNgh8o9THY8EDsQxj3yE9A3WCkcVA5VVB26KpqkIMrDo+vw72dKKa6rnapm4LWCu226u QXbbE242Hiu5jmL/6o/ch6sQ1FytO4fWQHBmZx4EiTwPe9nZ1hHsfxeXZ/jrdEubzvfe ZAt94PVQ5xlIj9pl84TI3m57s25Rc9q3VnpCbLyAX989rix7a/gvJiemctltc2wSjfv8 Lv6Q== From: Matthias Grob Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-917479309 Subject: Re: How about a vibrating watch? Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 17:19:42 -0300 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 20:20:08 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7-917479309 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii maybe you would watch the loopers display from time to time? we could build a SongTime display into Evoloop that starts when the = first loop starts and resets at reset would that help? in general I agree with Per that we have to develop the sense for what = the public feels rather than measuring time On 31 Aug 2012, at 12:58, kay'lon rushing wrote: > I had an idea after realizing sometimes my looping pieces are too = long for my taste. I put my phone on my keyboard and have it vibrate = after a certain amount of minutes so that I know i should start rapping = up the piece within the next minute or two. I tried using my watch = instead because people might call my phone. However i cant hear the = watch because i have headphones on. So my idea is to buy a vibrating = watch! That would be perfect for my needs and it would also help me get = up in the morning haha. Now the mission is to find a stylish one that = costs less than $100. >=20 --Apple-Mail-7-917479309 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii maybe = you would watch the loopers display from time to time?
we could = build a SongTime display into Evoloop that starts when the first loop = starts and resets at reset
would that = help?

in general I agree with Per that we have = to develop the sense for what the public feels rather than measuring = time

On 31 Aug 2012, at 12:58, = kay'lon rushing wrote:

I had an idea = after realizing sometimes  my looping pieces are too long for my = taste. I put my phone on my keyboard and have it vibrate after a certain = amount of minutes so that I know i should start rapping up the piece = within the next minute or two. I tried using my watch instead because = people might call my phone. However i cant hear the watch because i have = headphones on. So my idea is to buy a vibrating watch! That would be = perfect for my needs and it would also help me get up in the morning = haha. Now the mission is to find a stylish one that costs less than = $100.


= --Apple-Mail-7-917479309-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 23:06:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47E8318345B; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 23:06:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=S5XbI22wTJjT6QcgTYh3wfc7UqqO4yCcuJqAE7ApcuI=; b=B7M7khTu7R5ld0sIj9cLuEgyRv2ll39p2BiF6PS7doaMqiCKb1bFCJd2t9SB0BkLk0 xeTpdrwQANAbUNOJbuhjDWtfysvK7sG3rEFxQfIR/8VJ1iMfzskbyybazTRnlMzM8oFJ qDpWOcZvSNmdZkW6dwtvePlM759csXQATga283+tm+yYk0FaSAca/yhEpdg3WVk53kG5 Eqmn8kCaJ6EpFuoOxqODR49YOVsZlBKE5f9C2PWL8mRa6BU6tYUs6RHK/wwECxhEivG0 ObgOYYfCSXka4AgeXnhxVo9q4L9DefyTbgB/aLLyDtE3CmaDZJninFUmOxtuEMKyxK5Q THWA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <001501cd879d$2189d9f0$649d8dd0$@asyouthink.com> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:06:14 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How about a vibrating watch? From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf302077dcb9fd3204c897d62b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 23:06:16 +0000 (UTC) --20cf302077dcb9fd3204c897d62b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I know that for my type of music that i do, its more based on length of songs because it isnt as explorative as many loop artists like you guys. So having a time limit would be good for me. It helps me get the idea in and out faster and more interestigly. And yeah i also saw quite a few on amazon. On Aug 31, 2012 11:42 AM, "Matt Davignon" wrote: > That's pretty huge. (Listening from the audience perspective.) > > One thing that can go wrong with looping music is letting things (loop > elements) go on for too long. If a brain hears a loop as a repeating > machine (instead of as a flow), it can start to get really annoying. For > example, I was in the TV department of Target the other day, and they had > all the TVs on a 1 minute loop advertising for their deals. That type of > repetition didn't excite me - after about 6 minutes there, I was ready to > stab someone. As a musician, we learn to focus our attention elsewhere when > loops get repetitive, but the audience doesn't experience it in the same > way. > > Also, playing too long can hurt you in the long run. Often newer musicians > see "time spent on stage" as a measurement of success. (That is, a 2 hour > performance is better than a 60 minute performance, which is better than a > 30 minute performance.) As an audience member, I've been to many concerts > where my thoughts of the band changed based on how long they outlasted > their welcome. At the last concert: at 20 minutes in, I was loving it and > thinking about how I wanted to get this band more gigs. At 30 minutes in, I > was ready for a graceful end. At 45 minutes in, I was thinking that I'd > have to set some strict rules if I scheduled them to play. At 70 minutes > in, I was staring daggers into them and entertaining thoughts about > "accidentally" tripping over the power supply. Looking around the audience, > I saw lots of people with the same facial expression as me. > > Someday, I'll post my list of "stuff to do / stuff not to do", from a > venue's experience. > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > > > Per Boysen was like: > >> >> >> Have you considered practicing listening "from an audience >> perspective" to the music you are playing, while you are playing? >> >> That's a good habit to develop because it makes you sensitive to >> "overplaying", "forgetting time" and other usual mistakes. A vibrating >> watch may be good if you play a short set, like for example 20 minutes >> and need to know when you have five minutes left - time to kick off >> the last piece or round it up if you are already playing a piece that >> will need a few minutes more. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> > > > > --20cf302077dcb9fd3204c897d62b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I know that for my type of music that i do, its more based on length of = songs because it isnt as explorative as many loop artists like you guys. So= having a time limit would be good for me. It helps me get the idea in and = out faster and more interestigly. And yeah i also saw quite a few on amazon= .

On Aug 31, 2012 11:42 AM, "Matt Davignon&qu= ot; <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:
That's pretty huge. (Listening from the audience perspective.)

O= ne thing that can go wrong with looping music is letting things (loop eleme= nts) go on for too long. If a brain hears a loop as a repeating machine (in= stead of as a flow), it can start to get really annoying. For example, I wa= s in the TV department of Target the other day, and they had all the TVs on= a 1 minute loop advertising for their deals. That type of repetition didn&= #39;t excite me - after about 6 minutes there, I was ready to stab someone.= As a musician, we learn to focus our attention elsewhere when loops get re= petitive, but the audience doesn't experience it in the same way.

Also, playing too long can hurt you in the long run. Often newer musici= ans see "time spent on stage" as a measurement of success. (That = is, a 2 hour performance is better than a 60 minute performance, which is b= etter than a 30 minute performance.) As an audience member, I've been t= o many concerts where my thoughts of the band changed based on how long the= y outlasted their welcome. At the last concert: at 20 minutes in, I was lov= ing it and thinking about how I wanted to get this band more gigs. At 30 mi= nutes in, I was ready for a graceful end. At 45 minutes in, I was thinking = that I'd have to set some strict rules if I scheduled them to play. At = 70 minutes in, I was staring daggers into them and entertaining thoughts ab= out "accidentally" tripping over the power supply. Looking around= the audience, I saw lots of people with the same facial expression as me. =

Someday, I'll post my list of "stuff to do / stuff not to do&q= uot;, from a venue's experience.
--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com=
www.ribosomemusi= c.com
Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com


Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> was like:


Have you considered practicing listening "from an audience
perspective" to the music you are playing, while you are playing?

That's a good habit to develop because it makes you sensitive to
"overplaying", "forgetting time" and other usual mistak= es. A vibrating
watch may be good if you play a short set, like for example 20 minutes
and need to know when you have five minutes left - time to kick off
the last piece or round it up if you are already playing a piece that
will need a few minutes more.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen





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