From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 1 01:58:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52E0618345E; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 01:58:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=bFzZwPV4UGhb1lgH4fQlE468jAXc+oZ/KpOvNmX+kpA=; b=dsw6Tq5X0S6kQqsh9QyTD4XZVkLMFiY8fyS0E4qfDxOezHQWFvac5X5OBKU1q1emYF 1OYVjk7ha7mQS8DMoDfFg6E+6KynOKQrtuZVIR7tSVyQWrQVysZaFnNsOkD90jqz/WlL vznFm3j9CBAyGZfJ0olskRyJxZgiPt1Phjoc5ZJU2KC7JAe+pYVdGdfdTil+sTxmQ1do vfzRBumnFw6iSZ6on0adB0UFpNpVM/YUmeQKpU0JhUA1nBOilLvKdP+ahm/+SWUP1mfj GnEbtcea2C7kFeVPp6RoJHaMv7gAnQVuQ1dYbmAH43Rz6P8yyGKrpE8dc12bIQIQNX1p l/Zw== From: philip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Syncing DIN Sync devices to an EDP Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:58:14 +0900 Message-Id: To: loopers delight Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 01:58:26 +0000 (UTC) Does anyone have any ideas for syncing old roland gear like TB303s and = TR606/808s to an EDP? I don't need anything fancy, just for the EDP to read the BPM or the = length of a measure. I know Doepfer has a little MIDI to DIN SYNC box. Would that do the = trick, I wonder?= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 1 10:29:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1441418345D; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:29:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 220919.86897.bm@omp1067.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1338546593; bh=/iR7z2+nXOy7Zud4zmqcU6SLDlTZ6SlhrtbH53ZCzAs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=y4l7+iLP075poA+67hMSTqZpWZGZ1Sg0hxhK+j5Zz4yb6o5PjcDO5Fu7edkv5OBTz3WK3TrX04hikiNz9QkZYfaM2n99Z0y1aDghmS6sUBAhyQaSPzUYbUpEG90bplosSYC7sKkyK368e2fCzr22xVRamh+gW+2D5KUE6pUAck4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vRdvi1SXI2nTO/SC2vBN36mOS+j426O+1FAEwHsoTDZprQaljKMrFb5P+kuCJxKiLxqhhhihd5vU0cbb+k8KwnzS76Mu6gWebWJ6SJA470JGX6ZVSa8rGWvavlegAqHRayZp6wxD5bnfCHFAtHJl/BaBL4sC5bZzDmdVLE+lHb0=; X-YMail-OSG: z4tRrS4VM1n7KTHlNnML23QxxjccyDiWiMYsUOWGLwnYGFp tuCmaa8v53bWscSjf5skx35zJQt__IrxNYDS5nSEG.U2RVuvrhuTSudnVhxd X1.RRU71KmlXpfsg3ozQnJOnenKyUQxmiTrbLykZw.2WSeCB.9Cn8e2426aG QyTZcCQgRfFhmKM_d9ntKq2asIWxQuK4ZF4bOBIXIUUWz2qMqf1ha4e3B5ip hZGCkHu.twQq.jzy24XRQ59i3HhU2JwXMu.FF1zpIeRQFFX5ZDzL.fqaHPTA EsooQn9F6y3xGxbUkpjOTUiSlUsSV9eh5P76bkc8xsApux4BBHjDoNW2vM0A hWspBDg5lDztonNMjnrJG4ENPmteR6rWIRxA40pvMwSnUdippcrEYMACYTcF rXBy0JRQFeV7oK4mFH6gryB2V11uva8d93pbnznZg1C1satjyO439sycwWBV FpX7zqqT3hjUpfWZO4MVZ30TZ931tYLEBY.Yu9C11K.tincbO8eHLBu4x5b_ GvR3JHoz_5Pe5Wb_hL6juQxiwJL7D95b9rLPJml9fU.nMRlb1weHzDleld33 6aRs9Xcs8a2x74y6LlG7k3t73FXG0wvqQyQEJw3Rlg2_dm9s_WdbHAndZfAK LRhT_G8j4YzYREFBfXgMDI4uHSniY1hVPqASw.1qK7Dus0qlMOv0- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <3B9992BF-9CD2-45AB-802C-8529141B3BFB@baymoon.com> Message-ID: <1338546593.6843.YahooMailNeo@web163801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 03:29:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Reply-To: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: TC Flashback delay/Line 6 M series audio mods To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <3B9992BF-9CD2-45AB-802C-8529141B3BFB@baymoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1863558942-1720681233-1338546593=:6843" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:29:55 +0000 (UTC) --1863558942-1720681233-1338546593=:6843 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bill,=0Adoes the audio mod really make a difference? i didnt even know t= hat the M9 had that noise problem like the DL4 did=0A=0Athinking of doing i= t with the switch mod=0Athanx =0A=0ALuis=0A=0A=A0=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/= luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A Von: William Walk= er =0AAn: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0AGe= sendet: 21:25 Samstag, 12.Mai 2012=0ABetreff: TC Flashback delay/Line 6 M s= eries audio mods=0A =0A=0ARecently I took advantage of a generous employee = purchase plan through TC electronic ( one of the few perks these days of wo= rking in a music store) and bought a TC Flashback delay. I have been wantin= g to downsize my pedal board and replace my M-9 with a Smaller M-5, and as = this is the pedal board I use for conventional non looping gigs, =A0the nee= d for a looper was not as crucial. I'm also keeping the faith that the LP-2= will find a place on this board as well, and i needed to find space for it= . To be honest my love affair with Line 6 stuff is all but over. I just can= 't see why some of the brightest minds in the biz can conceive of some genu= inely inspired technology, that is easy to use and sounds good, would choos= e to cut corners on the most vital operational component on a foot actuated= multi effect, uh that would be the footswitch?The M series switches are wo= rse than those found on the original Line 6 modelers with more moving parts= that where out quickly. I just replaced the ones on my M-9, with factory switches, and th= ats an hour of my time I wish I had back. The fact that this achilles heal = has spawned a growing cottage industry of Line 6 up graders and modifiers i= s not lost on me, this has been going on since Jeorge Tripps started tweaki= ng the DL-4, and then passed the info along to Fred Keeley, so that he coul= d offer it to the general public. =A0Up till now I have not found someone w= ho has taken the time to figure out an audio upgrade for the M series produ= cts, though plenty of vendors like=A0http://r3fx.com/store/index.php?route= =3Dcommon/home=A0 will change out the crappy switches for quality smooth op= erating hardwired switches, not to mention paint you machine a custom color= if you so desire. I had yet to find someone who had tackled the other main= issue with these units albeit one that many might not notice. That being t= he issue of purity of signal path. Though the issue, is perhaps unnoticeable to a lot of people, particularly those who have long signal c= hains, leave many things on and are used to a certain amount of noise.. if = i could describe what i hear, =A0its another layer of noise floor, a certai= n digital grungy-ness and a harshness in the high frequencies when I do thi= ngs like crank up the feedback on tape and analog delay models. Well I fina= lly found a guy in Georgia who has =A0come up with a mod to purify the sign= al path, an add a variable output =A0volume control. he also does the foots= witch mods, and a few other cool things as well.=A0http://jhv3.squarespace.= com/. I plan to send him an M-5 in a few weeks for both mods.=0A=A0Regardin= g the Flashback, this is a potent little delay with a decent simple looper = on board. I can't say the footswitch is world class as it has a a positive = action click not particularly suited when precise timing is needed ( I'll l= et you know how my skill progresses) and you have to double click the loop = to turn it off, and once you do the loop is lost. Its only 20 second in ste= reo and 40 seconds in mono but its excellent for loop ambient drones with i= nfinite overdub capability. I assume the overall delay length is also halve= d when running stereo but one thing that attracted me to it was its 7 secon= ds of delay time in all but the slap back modes. =A0This is ideal for ambie= nt long delay and sound on sound applications and killer for long reverse p= assages. The audio quality is typical of TC, pristine, and the delay types = are all excellent. Tap tempo is handle by holding the pedal down and playin= g even tempo strokes to set the delay time. I'm not crazy about the fact that the signal is muted while you are doing this , though = i can see the logic for sure, just wish i had the option. =A0then there is = the tone print feature that allows you to download custom presets from toda= ys "Leading Guitarists". =A0So iI downloaded a few and ended up using a Pet= e Thorn created delay with modulation that is capable =A0of self oscillatin= g feedback. perhaps at some point TC might release an actual editor librari= an so some of the world "Not Leading Guitarists" can take a crack at sound = design. otherwise this is a stellar affordable delay in a small mxr sized c= hassis that seems ruggedly built and has a very clean signal path.=A0=0A=A0= Bill --1863558942-1720681233-1338546593=:6843 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Bill,
does the audio mod really make a difference? i didnt = even know that the M9 had that noise problem like the DL4 did
thinking of doing it with the switch mod
thanx
Luis
 
http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
Von: William Walker <billwalker@b= aymoon.com>
An: Loo= pers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Gesendet: 21:25 Samstag, 12.Mai 2012
Betreff: TC Flashback delay/Line 6 M ser= ies audio mods

Recent= ly I took advantage of a generous employee purchase plan through TC electro= nic ( one of the few perks these days of working in a music store) and boug= ht a TC Flashback delay. I have been wanting to downsize my pedal board and= replace my M-9 with a Smaller M-5, and as this is the pedal board I use fo= r conventional non looping gigs,  the need for a looper was not as cru= cial. I'm also keeping the faith that the LP-2 will find a place on this bo= ard as well, and i needed to find space for it. To be honest my love affair= with Line 6 stuff is all but over. I just can't see why some of the bright= est minds in the biz can conceive of some genuinely inspired technology, th= at is easy to use and sounds good, would choose to cut corners on the most vital operational component on a foot actuated multi effect, uh that = would be the footswitch?The M series switches are worse than those found on= the original Line 6 modelers with more moving parts that where out quickly= . I just replaced the ones on my M-9, with factory switches, and thats an h= our of my time I wish I had back. The fact that this achilles heal has spaw= ned a growing cottage industry of Line 6 up graders and modifiers is not lo= st on me, this has been going on since Jeorge Tripps started tweaking the D= L-4, and then passed the info along to Fred Keeley, so that he could offer = it to the general public.  Up till now I have not found someone who ha= s taken the time to figure out an audio upgrade for the M series products, = though plenty of vendors like http://r3fx.com/= store/index.php?route=3Dcommon/home  will change out the crappy switches for quality smooth operating hardwired switches, not to mention p= aint you machine a custom color if you so desire. I had yet to find someone= who had tackled the other main issue with these units albeit one that many= might not notice. That being the issue of purity of signal path. Though th= e issue, is perhaps unnoticeable to a lot of people, particularly those who= have long signal chains, leave many things on and are used to a certain am= ount of noise.. if i could describe what i hear,  its another layer of= noise floor, a certain digital grungy-ness and a harshness in the high fre= quencies when I do things like crank up the feedback on tape and analog del= ay models. Well I finally found a guy in Georgia who has  come up with= a mod to purify the signal path, an add a variable output  volume con= trol. he also does the footswitch mods, and a few other cool things as well= . http://jhv3.squarespace.com/. I = plan to send him an M-5 in a few weeks for both mods.
 Regarding t= he Flashback, this is a potent little delay with a decent simple looper on = board. I can't say the footswitch is world class as it has a a positive act= ion click not particularly suited when precise timing is needed ( I'll let = you know how my skill progresses) and you have to double click the loop to = turn it off, and once you do the loop is lost. Its only 20 second in stereo= and 40 seconds in mono but its excellent for loop ambient drones with infi= nite overdub capability. I assume the overall delay length is also halved w= hen running stereo but one thing that attracted me to it was its 7 seconds = of delay time in all but the slap back modes.  This is ideal for ambie= nt long delay and sound on sound applications and killer for long reverse p= assages. The audio quality is typical of TC, pristine, and the delay types are all excellent. Tap tempo is handle by holding the pedal down and= playing even tempo strokes to set the delay time. I'm not crazy about the = fact that the signal is muted while you are doing this , though i can see t= he logic for sure, just wish i had the option.  then there is the tone= print feature that allows you to download custom presets from todays "Lead= ing Guitarists".  So iI downloaded a few and ended up using a Pete Tho= rn created delay with modulation that is capable  of self oscillating = feedback. perhaps at some point TC might release an actual editor librarian= so some of the world "Not Leading Guitarists" can take a crack at sound de= sign. otherwise this is a stellar affordable delay in a small mxr sized cha= ssis that seems ruggedly built and has a very clean signal path. 
 Bill


--1863558942-1720681233-1338546593=:6843-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 1 14:31:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A341183460; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 14:31:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Xg3gRbr+ka6upnce8bUgO7Te6aR6G+qunAkEi0zTGEE=; b=Yzfx7lVbWH1RHy2bTro0J7MDDY5EsiwkKB0UQ1qV/pjgQhQ+HG3pKdT0sYSS9d21h0 iHLYXb4teUIuWYPZzuzMerNkQxZ29/LHryFxe8L9vLWQ08QRrE9oKzhNGzF7QwthdqXu jzj7FANLoOfYHd4qZ/Iz4eqPJ7y4orTjJiZSL8oHWo/t7phXaVZNZRFU3qT2TLklBxvx nytmMDyWpF8dTyF0remhU3z5z3wVymbVmT+wJHYM9qPqukPzN7tNODU45nUWOlvVl2+C NoJNbYhIi8ocoIIm9rWNgfduVwskwyXSUrPffUgIy05ghK5B0R+acZ60NtYnJx+v/Tgw +MwQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <76768D9C-13D0-4D54-910F-0301AC6FC3FC@charter.net> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 15:31:23 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Multi-channel Granular Loops From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 14:31:25 +0000 (UTC) I put together a blog entry on the visual. Should clarify some of the concepts. Enjoy! http://rickygraham.com/blocks-visualising-data-in-gem-pd On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Pd is very much the same as Max/MSP (except it isn't as pretty and > doesn't cost any $$$) > > On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Ricky Graham > wrote: >> Thanks guys. Glad it comes across as "human," Ted. It is the most >> important aspect. >> >> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Jim Goodin w= rote: >>> Ricky that's beautiful sound, emotions and visuals.=A0 Like the visual = element >>> of the imagery and=A0the 'live' of your performance below. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Ted Killian >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Intriguing. >>>> >>>> Very much enjoyed the music and the visuals. >>>> >>>> I understand you are using PureData (which is sort of like MaxMSP, whi= ch I >>>> use). >>>> >>>> Very creative use of technology that still manages to sound warm and h= uman >>>> (I think). >>>> >>>> On May 29, 2012, at 6:51 AM, Ricky Graham wrote: >>>> >>>> > Hi Guys, >>>> > >>>> > Some granular looping etc. in this excerpt from the most recent >>>> > multi-channel gig: http://youtu.be/PL-DNUQazRw >>>> > >>>> > Please enjoy! >>>> > >>>> > Ricky >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> jimgoodin.com - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive >>> minimalism' >>> >>> From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodi= n & >>> Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF International >>> >>> Tips Across the Waters, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wi= re >>> Ware. >>> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 1 18:00:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9032018345C; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 18:00:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1392027644==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120601180008.4013.4993.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 14:00:10 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: 24 hours until the Looper's Delight / Live Looping Conference 2012 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 18:00:16 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============1392027644== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,=20loopers!=20I=20know,=20I=20can't=20believe=20it=20either,=20but=20= 24=20hours=20from=20now,=20the=20Looper's=20Delight=20 /=20Live=20Looping=20Conference=202012=20will=20kick=20off.=20If=20you=20do= n't=20have=20the=20directions=20written=20or=20 typed=20down,=20you=20should=20either=20have=20them=20in=20your=20email=20o= r=20in=20the=20LD=20Archive.=20Just=2024=20more=20hours;=20I=20get=20to=20b= e=20 hosting=20it,=20for=20I=20have=20had=20experience=20with=20Conversation=20S= tation,=20and,=20thanks=20to=20Violet's=20help,=20it's=20 advertised=20on=20the=20LD=20home=20page,=20with=20a=20link=20to=20the=20or= iginal=20May=202nd=20article,=20with=20the=20directions.=20 Within=20a=20week=20or=20two,=20we=20will=20have=20a=20whole=20recording=20= of=20the=20event=20uploaded=20to=20a=20website.=20Remember,=20 Saturday,=20June=202,=202012,=202:00=20PM=20to=205:00=20PM,=20US=20Eastern= =20Time. 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Dave Draper From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 1 21:41:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F070618345C; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 21:41:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=v3dRtf0MH62IhxWIFFYC5B0oX+F38jj2d8HUCLgCAXg=; b=pKE5ylZ3P26Qo4OMx62j/oQmnA+EMDz4Yb64hvFYg6EnegK9Yqzouc7lwdL/lCV9P1 GOekfBbfQnhGoLK/DEJkLiofJYgx5+GoEgajkMqam3pw1PtunFhga5eHRO16WeNzDkOu m5+io6M18PFKG64pZ1LZXoNWb8HfscpPKS9mQcYQTv5sy49yxEXvpPk7Mi0HUTKfvRe5 A2BmWusNzsl5MOAQEbRkT/1qIUVyM1c0KxeIJE7eND/aDFL7ZCXohjgnNKGx4qDHGd25 9NQdp8+gBD+AQoRTR9nmCQc9WG5d0N3EOc9IspfM8yvfFl8xRJgA6sS4uxom4Zc6YnAS 85XQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 23:41:42 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Baryton guitar strings/tuning? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 21:41:42 +0000 (UTC) Hi, For some reason I'm suspecting there are many guitarists subscribed to this list. So may I please ask you a question: What strings do you prefer for baryton guitar? I just achieved a bariton Telecaster, by replacing the neck with an American All-Parts bariton neck, and at the moment I'm playing it with .010 strings tuned as a normal guitar. This sounds so damn good I can hardly imagine a guitar can sound better! But isn't baryton supposed to be lower? Is the normal procedure to strap it with thicker strings and tune them lower? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 1 22:19:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DA5F18345C; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 22:19:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Tlm8b3QxiodIMjLe3/6SxZjQ2k9YaAOgzu2G7mylX0A=; b=pnJOIEU8efwMqCNZEuyM2qNCIlNpr5crOhtaFkN/2juavKG8sGiU/Z3g1z7Rl7YTHJ SvgxojdVOeLcl+1CGjQK28hSOs6t2yS/aa6K6mTIgTDBx6zTXL7nNRzvMMW2rM3dJnfw mTEE51UjkFPpE1Nj/+iTdk0y/yqL7OosMFI3Iopi+nL2M9u09qI1gtN9GJ3UR8VFFNsw z/qrSDMbdGwfOghkW+rJXvZjf0xiDNiDDkv2fbVutn8aQPFuAr8hkP/0fgUiiz5YpXh7 PmkOPxQno4qRcx+lLVtrQWtgYUQpW0h9glQNJIOl7br5MxT0TZM+Xo+yNI5USwBHSMLM 6hzg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 18:19:41 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Baryton guitar strings/tuning? From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00221572766ea5eb2804c1709426 Resent-Message-ID: <5xbbsB.A.KOC.9_TyPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 22:19:41 +0000 (UTC) --00221572766ea5eb2804c1709426 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per man you are getting all sorts of cool things these days, last week the Tim Donahue harp fretless, this week a tele baritone, what's next? one standard thought is that yes it has longer scale of the neck so one suggested tuning is lo B E A D F# B which parallels std E A D G B E by 4th down. On a 12 string of late I have been using C G D G B E though I jump around a fair amount in tunings. how are you tuning your fretless harp strings? jim On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi, > > For some reason I'm suspecting there are many guitarists subscribed to > this list. So may I please ask you a question: What strings do you > prefer for baryton guitar? > > I just achieved a bariton Telecaster, by replacing the neck with an > American All-Parts bariton neck, and at the moment I'm playing it with > .010 strings tuned as a normal guitar. This sounds so damn good I can > hardly imagine a guitar can sound better! But isn't baryton supposed > to be lower? Is the normal procedure to strap it with thicker strings > and tune them lower? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > --=20 --=20 *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism' *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit *JDRF International * *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. --00221572766ea5eb2804c1709426 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per man you are getting all sorts of cool things these days, last week the = Tim Donahue harp fretless, this week a tele baritone, what's next?
=
one standard thought is that yes it has longer scale of the = neck so one suggested tuning is lo= B E A D F# B which parallels std E A D G B E by 4th down. =A0On a 12 strin= g of late I have been using C G D G B E though I jump around a fair amount = in tunings.=A0

how are you tuning your= fretless harp strings?

jim
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
Hi,

For some reason I'm suspecting there are many guitarists subscribed to<= br> this list. So may I please ask you a question: What strings do you
prefer for baryton guitar?

I just achieved a bariton Telecaster, by replacing the neck with an
American All-Parts bariton neck, and at the moment I'm playing it with<= br> .010 strings tuned as a normal guitar. This sounds so damn good I can
hardly imagine a guitar can sound better! But isn't baryton supposed to be lower? Is the normal procedure to strap it with thicker strings
and tune them lower?

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen




--
--
jimgoodin.com - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, rep= etitive minimalism'
=A0
From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz= recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will= benefit JDRF Internation= al

Tips Across the Waters, a= new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

--00221572766ea5eb2804c1709426-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 1 23:48:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 003EC18345D; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 23:48:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=HDTXz6gKpFwDnZUcKO71hMS36RYLNjYTB6xputShbAY=; b=qmzBn/HrBiV94evhxVQYNhGAxcBmv813XWl+KCTA+rc0WlHTiIc70qrsX8sDVdVKo8 r4gJF4TzWXurleqyKUlIUOY1mLOnsof+74au+ZTK7r54+UoaWf0Pmajk9UqpUfMP5CRb 18DCCjVDH0x7y7PwPlgMAKtY29Owu9vJBehryLczU3j0Pv8WVVgWsOLCq89ItL6bqTTv 1/f7WalC0nkObsHt678mCvEDHDIT8uFeoNar4Zdag+574SrdqAfgP92UCD17NOgQ5nNi C+qLjN3GshLhQLantikqg1RDtLOcR8s2mgqPS5Ow7XC/355bNKBEOU0zhnaHe0vZHhtq uXVw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 01:48:22 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Baryton guitar strings/tuning? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 23:48:22 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 12:19 AM, Jim Goodin wrote: > one standard thought is that yes it has longer scale of the neck so one > suggested tuning is lo B E A D F# B which parallels std E A D G B E by 4th > down. When I used this Telecaster as a fretless guitar (with normal guitar scale) I used "baritone strings" of .012 - .068 and tuned like you said, B E A D F# B. I will try that with the fretted baritone neck as well, but I doubt it will sound better than the present .010 - .046 tuned at normal guitar tuning. This sound is just sick... it sings with perfect intonation all over the neck and the chords come out so crisp and smooth with a perfect balance of frequencies. There's a favorable pickup combination too on the baritone neck Telecaster, a Seymor Duncan Little '59 P-90 in bridge position and a Lundgren Vintage (reversed for less noise) in neck position. > > how are you tuning your fretless harp strings? I tune it according to "the standard" recommended by inventor/developer/maestro Tim Donahue but seven half steps lower. Harp strings are (from low to high) D E F# G A B C# (.026 and .024) while guitar strings are A D G C E A (.013 - .056). First I tried the flat wounds I have been using on my other main fretless for years but yesterday I changed to semi-flat (half rounds) to get a brighter sound. With the EMG pickup the guitar didn't sound brighter at all with those strings but in fact with a little less sustain and not the same cool brrrrwwwwwrrrw fretless attack as it had with the flat wounds (strings against that awesome ebony fingerboard). So I will probably go back to flat wounds next time I change. Anyway, no matter what register you tune the whole shebang to, the most important aspect is the relation between the guitar and the harp - and I like Tim's recommended standard. Today I also mounted a "fret" to the harp that makes it possible to rais any string a half-step by pressing the harp string against the fret with a finger on the left hand while plucking as usual with the right hand. This means you can't tap on the fretless with the left hand, but you can compose in a way that allows moving over the left hand for fretting a harp string now and then. For recording this harp fret is extremely useful since it gives the harp a full chromatic scale. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 00:01:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10474183460; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 00:01:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=oSgdc3dKTBZDn94N7qSN+LIUMlNHe+cELDDTb1g+UzU=; b=l09T3zoUsDx8jfgbAc59EZmfM2+L26qdrmUlHgZgFRTmQliuee+v88R59WkjfNKBaJ KKcHkDpx1/Zl7QLQK96UNDVskpE55VTy1sT1zYfKVz8btrSU8M7kuuofqxNmsqWatkVR KSZCebmN1fyUuYLTQ+6zojbajm1E/oidsyZE88esAZHa/Z33TY/xxBUWscyQCVCBFwhv vDYtiZT/c1L9K5V+RbvgPhGMFzZ6P6ZvGOJ+tKtqaa1OSBjz4MMo96ekD/F3asaMVx9E LEDLkUNkyiBgkYVM4hZpmEoIYe8aiwWkW/U02ST13CwRUm6bW2Djw4tWWuowJ/j22b1j QHpA== From: philip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Syncing DIN Sync devices to an EDP Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 09:01:17 +0900 Message-Id: <1974F985-42FD-41A3-8831-DF6FC4659381@gmail.com> To: loopers delight Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Resent-Message-ID: <5n2ZbC.A.ALD.RfVyPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 00:01:21 +0000 (UTC) Does anyone have any ideas for syncing old roland gear like TB303s and = TR606/808s to an EDP? I don't need anything fancy, just for the EDP to read the BPM or the = length of a measure. I'd prefer not to loop the sounds from the old Roland gear, because I = want to be able to manipulate those units in real time whilst looping = guitar sounds on the EDP. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Philip= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 00:22:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D88CB183460; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 00:22:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=DWZemtBlUD20Gr5iHE8vJSqRA5L0hhkHRDfb3LFHlSw=; b=UuuRKsppFjRI4vwL1CnfHXGH+dwYM3qbKklJqYy7trauOy3IN1JvmGmBa8MC1UZcqJ h6+ICYFbKih3Tv6FXhLT0y8ahGmihwa7R2aw7ugEs+H2s+4CmaCFSMV/xJQmO4hp5gEe RRK9f1Ba48ok9ETZLenDIWth3nqqBN+HNPTnmlQsG3forNtRpngKYithy9lfE5ikhjLr 7EZPRd7RpuPdFtxnMrL5p02Ap2RQq7mQpBP2ecbbUe3jzfzis6DAfEhqFddULuVvgPly Y+Mg1L8YRtXuHC5HFk++rOoiFLF2uWWYLbmE40tmXvHaix+sUmKE7CGsTjNnwTmYslgZ aSXw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1974F985-42FD-41A3-8831-DF6FC4659381@gmail.com> References: <1974F985-42FD-41A3-8831-DF6FC4659381@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:22:55 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Syncing DIN Sync devices to an EDP From: Marcus Kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175df05261a23104c1724d07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 00:22:56 +0000 (UTC) --0015175df05261a23104c1724d07 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What about the other way around? Send a trigger from the roland to the edp? Have you checked to see how the tr series reacts as a slave? There are midi din converters. On Jun 1, 2012 7:01 PM, "philip" wrote: > Does anyone have any ideas for syncing old roland gear like TB303s and > TR606/808s to an EDP? > > I don't need anything fancy, just for the EDP to read the BPM or the > length of a measure. > > I'd prefer not to loop the sounds from the old Roland gear, because I want > to be able to manipulate those units in real time whilst looping guitar > sounds on the EDP. > > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Philip > --0015175df05261a23104c1724d07 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What about the other way around? Send a trigger from the roland to the e= dp? Have you checked to see how the tr series reacts as a slave?

There are midi din converters.

On Jun 1, 2012 7:01 PM, "philip" <<= a href=3D"mailto:philip.ojc@gmail.com">philip.ojc@gmail.com> wrote:<= br type=3D"attribution">
Does anyone have any ideas for syncing old roland gear like TB303s and TR60= 6/808s to an EDP?

I don't need anything fancy, just for the EDP to read the BPM or the le= ngth of a measure.

I'd prefer not to loop the sounds from the old Roland gear, because I w= ant to be able to manipulate those units in real time whilst looping guitar= sounds on the EDP.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Philip
--0015175df05261a23104c1724d07-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 00:29:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 025D318345C; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 00:29:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=Od4PNyW1D1uaJXZYus9rc6jVhySLzMadR16WAEbaiOs=; b=bznpmJx9ebd2y7m0KYQL6A4CWgJ3wYBYHyTcztPDdbp6hy4ryZ93aykXF1ly+VT0DR h+JlZDf85d6hZ3tYMlW5F14YnOOQX2+6mNF3TpdoVi1TMKHa3iHYt037f8CsiaJyNl6l O/R50jy6E7uFRUHeW+cM7xIss2KUR6drRthDz1O9/KrPSA7b/YGktBCQnPm1ZkbzS7hp 1Zr1f1epgh6hwRePXBRV2raLZ3N804ZF/IOrbxj8+uRom93t+GgauTYFstA1uoF5/ReC 2OrVq0D4itZQ170i3XUdjALVca+3ECuKlm+Y1/RVJQVFdVDsGZTZp9POOub00p+QNPFb A+CQ== From: Philip Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_47A6D53D-1716-48D7-9CBF-CEEA41672578" Subject: Re: Syncing DIN Sync devices to an EDP Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 09:29:34 +0900 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <1974F985-42FD-41A3-8831-DF6FC4659381@gmail.com> Message-Id: <8C079FC9-B15D-4157-89FD-F57E620A108A@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 00:29:37 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_47A6D53D-1716-48D7-9CBF-CEEA41672578 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks. I'm not really particular about which unit is master. I just = want my guitar loops looping in time with the Roland units. I've never = done it before, so I haven't a clue how to go about it. As far as DIN/MIDI converters, I'm thinking about one of those little = Doepfer units or perhaps an old Roland MSQ100. =20 On Jun 2, 2012, at 9:22 AM, Marcus Kirby wrote: > What about the other way around? Send a trigger from the roland to the = edp? Have you checked to see how the tr series reacts as a slave? >=20 > There are midi din converters. >=20 > On Jun 1, 2012 7:01 PM, "philip" wrote: > Does anyone have any ideas for syncing old roland gear like TB303s and = TR606/808s to an EDP? >=20 > I don't need anything fancy, just for the EDP to read the BPM or the = length of a measure. >=20 > I'd prefer not to loop the sounds from the old Roland gear, because I = want to be able to manipulate those units in real time whilst looping = guitar sounds on the EDP. >=20 > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Philip --Apple-Mail=_47A6D53D-1716-48D7-9CBF-CEEA41672578 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks. I'm not really particular about which unit is master. I just want my guitar loops looping in time with the Roland units. I've never done it before, so I haven't a clue how to go about it.

As far as DIN/MIDI converters, I'm thinking about one of those little Doepfer units or perhaps an old Roland MSQ100.


 
On Jun 2, 2012, at 9:22 AM, Marcus Kirby wrote:

What about the other way around? Send a trigger from the roland to the edp? Have you checked to see how the tr series reacts as a slave?

There are midi din converters.

On Jun 1, 2012 7:01 PM, "philip" <philip.ojc@gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone have any ideas for syncing old roland gear like TB303s and TR606/808s to an EDP?

I don't need anything fancy, just for the EDP to read the BPM or the length of a measure.

I'd prefer not to loop the sounds from the old Roland gear, because I want to be able to manipulate those units in real time whilst looping guitar sounds on the EDP.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Philip

--Apple-Mail=_47A6D53D-1716-48D7-9CBF-CEEA41672578-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 00:36:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0B72183474; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 00:36:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=XLPWXEQOoETEm7kyKSUlQK6GvUDf7ofQ2GDE3URZJvI=; b=ZTXPVnxWw16y5XKEbqrocNlr6wc+8nNrHmDorKthKizwJMnWjKb4EaFSsEckwucDHL pA1biVqyuWaGzKUlDpJtEgfWpvcIMXpCjHGWFAoDFjzO52x0jmY3QsJvXEzyMl61ZwNi owwPwqeXN12TpECHRsg05z5MQlBp144/BnrbxbxuSanDN6DnG0texREL5rmMfDTs+vYE K29qwaoG/sYpfPmvNZO4sJwJYLkxVTeITi96sdrK6XNdjq95DQIOHEZ8YsdnwC9kRijA x0aP2cWn2f3NlVXpyc09X3v4zukCJIZGZo9rpXHvhl/DhKIue4DvoILVg/sWX3MeDzHN CVpQ== References: <1974F985-42FD-41A3-8831-DF6FC4659381@gmail.com> <8C079FC9-B15D-4157-89FD-F57E620A108A@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8C079FC9-B15D-4157-89FD-F57E620A108A@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-227D8658-E36E-4424-AA78-6D7AD0FD9406 Message-Id: <6809870D-1882-4127-BB07-3B2B6DD38B77@gmail.com> Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Phil Clevenger Subject: Re: Syncing DIN Sync devices to an EDP Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:36:02 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: <48Isa.A.yBE.8_VyPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 00:36:12 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-227D8658-E36E-4424-AA78-6D7AD0FD9406 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Pricey but Innerclocks Systems has solid solutions here... Sent from my iPhone On Jun 1, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Philip wrote: > Thanks. I'm not really particular about which unit is master. I just want m= y guitar loops looping in time with the Roland units. I've never done it bef= ore, so I haven't a clue how to go about it. >=20 > As far as DIN/MIDI converters, I'm thinking about one of those little Doep= fer units or perhaps an old Roland MSQ100. >=20 >=20 > =20 > On Jun 2, 2012, at 9:22 AM, Marcus Kirby wrote: >=20 >> What about the other way around? Send a trigger from the roland to the ed= p? Have you checked to see how the tr series reacts as a slave? >>=20 >> There are midi din converters. >>=20 >> On Jun 1, 2012 7:01 PM, "philip" wrote: >> Does anyone have any ideas for syncing old roland gear like TB303s and TR= 606/808s to an EDP? >>=20 >> I don't need anything fancy, just for the EDP to read the BPM or the leng= th of a measure. >>=20 >> I'd prefer not to loop the sounds from the old Roland gear, because I wan= t to be able to manipulate those units in real time whilst looping guitar so= unds on the EDP. >>=20 >> Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. >>=20 >> Thanks, >>=20 >> Philip >=20 --Apple-Mail-227D8658-E36E-4424-AA78-6D7AD0FD9406 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Pricey but Innerclocks Sys= tems has solid solutions here...

Sent from my iPhone

On= Jun 1, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Philip <philip.ojc@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks. I'm not really particular about which unit is master= . I just want my guitar loops looping in time with the Roland units. I've ne= ver done it before, so I haven't a clue how to go about it.

As far as DIN/MIDI converters, I'm thinking about one of those little Doe= pfer units or perhaps an old Roland MSQ100.


 
On Jun 2, 2012, at 9:22 AM, Marcus Kirby wrote:<= /div>

Wh= at about the other way around? Send a trigger from the roland to the edp? Ha= ve you checked to see how the tr series reacts as a slave?

There are m= idi din converters.

On Jun 1, 2012 7:01 PM, "philip" <philip.ojc@gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone have any ideas for syncing old roland gear like TB303s and TR606= /808s to an EDP?

I don't need anything fancy, just for the EDP to read the BPM or the length o= f a measure.

I'd prefer not to loop the sounds from the old Roland gear, because I want t= o be able to manipulate those units in real time whilst looping guitar sound= s on the EDP.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Philip

= --Apple-Mail-227D8658-E36E-4424-AA78-6D7AD0FD9406-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 01:34:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D7E1183460; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 01:34:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=sq09dH5iGR5uDqRUx4+c29YrwYrTlHRRWLs4kd1r23OD17OjTIWV3/BNU9C+2z+E; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <27783860.1338600875815.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 18:34:35 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Syncing DIN Sync devices to an EDP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd4807f1e666f2bd0aae964db0c0eb629c5c667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.46 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 01:34:47 +0000 (UTC) I have the MSQ-10= 0 that I havent used in years-for cheap/shipping...
-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Clevenger
Sent: Jun 1, 2012 5:36 PM
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"
Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"
Subject: Re: Syncing DIN Sync devices to an EDP

Price= y but Innerclocks Systems has solid solutions here...

Sent from my i= Phone

On Jun 1, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Philip <philip.ojc@gmail.com> wrot= e:

Thanks. I'm not r= eally particular about which unit is master. I just want my guitar loops lo= oping in time with the Roland units. I've never done it before, so I haven'= t a clue how to go about it.

As far as DIN/MIDI converte= rs, I'm thinking about one of those little Doepfer units or perhaps an old = Roland MSQ100.


 
= On Jun 2, 2012, at 9:22 AM, Marcus Kirby wrote:

What about the other way aro= und? Send a trigger from the roland to the edp? Have you checked to see how= the tr series reacts as a slave?

There are midi din converters.

On Jun 1, 2012 7:01 PM, "philip" <philip.ojc@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
Does anyone have any ideas for syncing old roland gear like TB303s and TR60= 6/808s to an EDP?

I don't need anything fancy, just for the EDP to read the BPM or the length= of a measure.

I'd prefer not to loop the sounds from the old Roland gear, because I want = to be able to manipulate those units in real time whilst looping guitar sou= nds on the EDP.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Philip

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 01:57:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E8A1183461; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 01:57:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <1F65062A-3E94-473B-9547-720ED3CB1637@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Re: Looperlative LP2 Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 18:56:58 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 01:57:05 +0000 (UTC) I had no problem using a functioning roland EV-5 pedal on the LP-2 to control feedback. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 02:30:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 963DC183460; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 02:30:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <8EC13759-EEC6-4DE5-808E-46FA80904C23@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-19--480209254 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: TC Flashback delay/Line 6 M series audio mods Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:30:43 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 02:30:50 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-19--480209254 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Louis, The issue with the M series stuff as compared to say Eventide or TC products is transparency of sound. When i run through my timefactor or flashback I perceive a clearer less colored sound and no drop in volume. With my M series stuff there is a slight drop in volume, a touch more noise and coloration in the high frequencies. Its not a huge thing and most people don't notice particularly if they keep at least one effect on at a time. I have considered selling my M-9, but I also realized that in order to achieve some of the complex synched 3 delays in a row that i'm found of using I would need three Eventide Timelines or Strymon Time Factors. When I started to add that up, I thought twice and I'm willing to risk the money it takes for the audio upgrade to find out, and I definitely will get the switches changed. I never regretted having my long gone DL-4 modded for audio upgrade by Keeley, i imagine the person who owns it now is glad too. I had a second one at the time and in a side by side comparison I definitely heard the difference in noise floor and volume drop. There are a number of people doing DL-4 mods these days for both audio and switches most notably Vertex, http://www.vertexeffects.com/ who has built boards and customized DL-4's and other effects for guys like Robben Ford , Nels Kline, Henry Kaiser,and Michael Landau. The guy I just found JHV3 http://jhv3.squarespace.com/m9-mods/ is the only I have found so far that has tackled the same issues on the M- series, there is a pretty detailed description on his web site about what he does. The fact is, there are a lot of cottage industry guys tweaking and modding all kinds of effects, amps and guitars, to make production factory made gear sound better and/or more like original issue stuff. I'll let you know how it compares. bill --Apple-Mail-19--480209254 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Louis, The issue with the M = series stuff as compared to say Eventide or TC products is transparency = of sound.  When i run through my timefactor or flashback I perceive = a clearer less colored sound and no drop in volume. With my M series = stuff there is a slight drop in volume, a touch more noise and = coloration in the high frequencies. Its not a huge thing and most people = don't notice particularly if they keep at least one effect on at a time. = I have considered selling my M-9, but I also realized that in order to = achieve some of the complex  synched  3 delays in a row that = i'm found of using I would need three Eventide Timelines or Strymon Time = Factors. When I started to add that up, I thought twice and I'm willing = to risk the money it takes for the audio upgrade to find out,  and = I definitely will get the switches changed. I never regretted having my = long gone DL-4 modded for audio upgrade by Keeley, i imagine the person = who owns it now is glad too. I had a second one at the time and in a = side by side comparison I definitely heard  the = difference in noise floor and volume drop. There are a number of people = doing DL-4 mods these days for both audio and switches most notably = Vertex,  http://www.vertexeffects.com/who has built boards and customized DL-4's and other effects =  for guys like Robben Ford , Nels Kline, Henry Kaiser,and Michael = Landau. 
The guy I just found  JHV3 http://jhv3.squarespace.com/= m9-mods/    is the only I have found so far that has = tackled the same issues on the M-series, there is a pretty detailed = description on his web site about what he does. The fact is, there are a = lot of cottage industry guys tweaking and modding all kinds of effects, = amps and guitars, to make production  factory made gear sound = better and/or more like original issue stuff.  I'll let you know = how it compares.
 bill
= --Apple-Mail-19--480209254-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 07:30:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37B0718345A; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 07:30:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=hr4h1/zkXYERSJ2EStLXlJ9v/X1e5ATtVUFVM9Abuxk= c=1 sm=0 a=eiYxy5Udi-cA:10 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=DaPf0dvbAAAA:20 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=dMZfGW12AAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=liqvVuF1AAAA:8 a=A4FnZFng3z5oPPheFigA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=ZQex0MP4MCEA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=50Cz1CyOAAAA:8 a=Twv3S_R1AAAA:8 a=t-IPkPogAAAA:8 a=_gEu1RqCoVoBYRTjg1gA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=RyiL-aZl26MA:10 a=US_eJlQmrEIA:10 a=LNmrG2P2/FTMg+bJRtTSbA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: Baryton guitar strings/tuning? References: From: chaz worm Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-A4F8359B-B4B6-4376-9C91-FF859834B3B3 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 03:30:03 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 07:30:06 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-A4F8359B-B4B6-4376-9C91-FF859834B3B3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Cool Per! I've always preferred unique things. That is why my first banjo th= at I inherited, a very cheap horrible banjo, one of the first things I did w= as rip out the frets and made it a nylon strings. I think usually banjos wil= l often use classical guitar sets plus a 1 string for the high drone.=20 In my little town the local guitarsmith only has ONE classical single but it= was the B string or 2. I like low things. Instead of the standard 1,4,3,2,1= .=20 I had an epiphany. Why not 2,5,4,3,2? It's now my favorite axe. My Baritone, fretless nylon string minstrel banjo.= =20 Fwiw, here's a recent clip of me not using it Check out this video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DqvlJBwLBfpE&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_player Sent from my iPhone Chaz=20 Sent from my iPhone On Jun 1, 2012, at 6:19 PM, Jim Goodin wrote: > Per man you are getting all sorts of cool things these days, last week the= Tim Donahue harp fretless, this week a tele baritone, what's next? >=20 > one standard thought is that yes it has longer scale of the neck so one su= ggested tuning is lo B E A D F# B which parallels std E A D G B E by 4th dow= n. On a 12 string of late I have been using C G D G B E though I jump aroun= d a fair amount in tunings.=20 >=20 > how are you tuning your fretless harp strings? >=20 > jim >=20 > On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi, >=20 > For some reason I'm suspecting there are many guitarists subscribed to > this list. So may I please ask you a question: What strings do you > prefer for baryton guitar? >=20 > I just achieved a bariton Telecaster, by replacing the neck with an > American All-Parts bariton neck, and at the moment I'm playing it with > .010 strings tuned as a normal guitar. This sounds so damn good I can > hardly imagine a guitar can sound better! But isn't baryton supposed > to be lower? Is the normal procedure to strap it with thicker strings > and tune them lower? >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > -- > jimgoodin.com - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minim= alism' > =20 > =46rom Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin= & Peter Th=C3=B6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF International >=20 > Tips Across the Waters, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire W= are. >=20 --Apple-Mail-A4F8359B-B4B6-4376-9C91-FF859834B3B3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Cool Per! I've always pref= erred unique things. That is why my first banjo that I inherited, a very che= ap horrible banjo, one of the first things I did was rip out the frets and m= ade it a nylon strings. I think usually banjos will often use classical guit= ar sets plus a 1 string for the high drone. 
In my little tow= n the local guitarsmith only has ONE classical single but it was the B strin= g or 2. I like low things. Instead of the standard 1,4,3,2,1. 
I had an epiphany. Why not 2,5,4,3,2?

It's now my= favorite axe. My Baritone, fretless nylon string minstrel banjo. 
Fwiw, here's a recent clip of me not using it

Check out this video on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3DqvlJBwLBfpE&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_player
<= br>
Sent from my iPhone
Chaz 


Sent from m= y iPhone

On Jun 1, 2012, at 6:19 PM, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
Per man you are getting= all sorts of cool things these days, last week the Tim Donahue harp fretles= s, this week a tele baritone, what's next?

one standard t= hought is that yes it has longer scale of the neck so one suggested tuning i= s lo B E A D F# B which parallels st= d E A D G B E by 4th down.  On a 12 string of late I have been using C G= D G B E though I jump around a fair amount in tunings. 

how are you tuning your fr= etless harp strings?

jim

<= div class=3D"gmail_quote"> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

For some reason I'm suspecting there are many guitarists subscribed to
this list. So may I please ask you a question: What strings do you
prefer for baryton guitar?

I just achieved a bariton Telecaster, by replacing the neck with an
American All-Parts bariton neck, and at the moment I'm playing it with
.010 strings tuned as a normal guitar. This sounds so damn good I can
hardly imagine a guitar can sound better! But isn't baryton supposed
to be lower? Is the normal procedure to strap it with thicker strings
and tune them lower?

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com=
http://www.yo= utube.com/perboysen




--
--
j= imgoodin.com - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive= minimalism'
 
=46rom Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free J= azz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=C3=B6rn.  Proceeds from this= CD will benefit JDRF Inte= rnational

Tips Across the Waters, a n= ew app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

= --Apple-Mail-A4F8359B-B4B6-4376-9C91-FF859834B3B3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 08:09:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1D83183460; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 08:09:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 781126776/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.22.20/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.22.20 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBABLJyU9YbRYU/2dsb2JhbAANOLc7AQEBAwE4QBELGAkWDwkDAgECAUUcAYgCtzSOC4MWA5pYjRo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,702,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="781126776" Message-ID: <4FC9CA48.4080306@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 09:09:44 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Syncing DIN Sync devices to an EDP References: <1974F985-42FD-41A3-8831-DF6FC4659381@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1974F985-42FD-41A3-8831-DF6FC4659381@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 08:09:34 +0000 (UTC) hi Philip philip wrote: > Does anyone have any ideas for syncing old roland gear like TB303s and TR606/808s to an EDP? here you say roland gear follows EDP > > I don't need anything fancy, just for the EDP to read the BPM or the length of a measure. here you say EDP follows roland gear. EDP can sync to incoming midi. EDP can sync to incoming audio via Beatsync, but you have to tap in loop length. EDP can sync EDP can sync to impulse via Beatsync, try it. EDP, (i think) can sync to impulse for whole bar length via brother sync, and display looptime, but I'd have to look up details, you might have to experiment. No idea about what the roland stuff can do, does it send impulse every beat? (that's what that kind of gear did pre- those ones you mentioned, and last time I ever played around with them) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 09:09:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85C3D183461; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 09:09:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=sHlrZa6Hs/ZIlu2PKbnz4lW0GIDv7+hcSmzQlmddR5A=; b=nf1n1SrZPyyOuF8wu1TjKtrR7v7JHJyBgcTwlyQTq/JF7e3xHCmDwiMHBJQxnprHSh UKAMtA+5neeeMgIHoHMJsBCYhFeX+NGxjfVzbR1LRcXg8Yli5TvkBb+0m3aXtMtQmV0e b2ZLaknYoQDJmkDTbvHES88Pe7xzo+h2m/i9gTQfW7tcARaQHUDrY51nUerXKS/E7K9P wgVQXy4T/nuU6TFLtuiRW4+isH8EN6xudEB8CojPHR6CrOS2scKwUbTaEKSyopcHsmEw k6VxcVdjq2nH3y6Wt3BugwjloCDM4O1ad6AXX8isQ40pUfZrEwN3I8SbffarhqFDqUM1 /N7Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:09:20 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Baryton guitar strings/tuning? From: Per Boysen To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf302d4892ff409704c179a72d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 09:09:21 +0000 (UTC) --20cf302d4892ff409704c179a72d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, my bariton scale Telecaster is not "low" (currently) but maybe you could see it as "unique" to tune it as a regular guitar despite the longer scale. I never thought about that way, I just tried regular E A D G B E tuning out of curiosity and since I happened to have a spare set of regulars - and am surprised how great it sounds this way! It doen't sound any bariton at all, just like a super Telecaster but with better intonation, better balansing of both frequencies and notes in a chord and finally much more prounounced fundamentals. So I'm wondering if anyone knows what mojo is at work here? My layman theory is that longer and thinner strings behave this way. Maybe it also has to do with the thin and high frets of this All-Parts neck? Both factors also applying to the Stick that executes these very same sonic characteristics. Just taking a guess here, I need to experiment more, also with normal bariton tuning (by thicker strings) and compare. On Saturday, June 2, 2012, chaz worm wrote: > Cool Per! I've always preferred unique things. That is why my first banjo > that I inherited, a very cheap horrible banjo, one of the first things I > did was rip out the frets and made it a nylon strings. I think usually > banjos will often use classical guitar sets plus a 1 string for the high > drone. > In my little town the local guitarsmith only has ONE classical single but > it was the B string or 2. I like low things. Instead of the standard > 1,4,3,2,1. > I had an epiphany. Why not 2,5,4,3,2? > > It's now my favorite axe. My Baritone, fretless nylon string minstrel > banjo. > Fwiw, here's a recent clip of me not using it > > Check out this video on YouTube: > > Chaz Worm Medley (Plan B and Turn to Stone) > > > Sent from my iPhone > Chaz > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 1, 2012, at 6:19 PM, Jim Goodin > > wrote: > > Per man you are getting all sorts of cool things these days, last week th= e > Tim Donahue harp fretless, this week a tele baritone, what's next? > > one standard thought is that yes it has longer scale of the neck so one > suggested tuning is lo B E A D F# B which parallels std E A D G B E by > 4th down. On a 12 string of late I have been using C G D G B E though I > jump around a fair amount in tunings. > > how are you tuning your fretless harp strings? > > jim > > On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Per Boysen > > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> For some reason I'm suspecting there are many guitarists subscribed to >> this list. So may I please ask you a question: What strings do you >> prefer for baryton guitar? >> >> I just achieved a bariton Telecaster, by replacing the neck with an >> American All-Parts bariton neck, and at the moment I'm playing it with >> .010 strings tuned as a normal guitar. This sounds so damn good I can >> hardly imagine a guitar can sound better! But isn't baryton supposed >> to be lower? Is the normal procedure to strap it with thicker strings >> and tune them lower? >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> > > > -- > -- > *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, > color blue, repetitive minimalism' > > *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a > new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=C3=B6rn. Proceeds= from > this CD will benefit *JDRF International * > > *Tips Across the Waters > *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. > > --=20 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen --20cf302d4892ff409704c179a72d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, my bariton scale Telecaster is not "low" (currently) but ma= ybe you could see it as "unique" to tune it as a regular guitar d= espite the longer scale. I never thought about that way, I just tried regul= ar E A D G B E tuning out of curiosity and since I happened to have a spare= set of regulars - and am surprised how great it sounds this way! It doen&#= 39;t sound any bariton at all, just like a super Telecaster but with better= intonation, better balansing of both frequencies and notes in a chord and = finally =C2=A0much more prounounced fundamentals. So I'm wondering if a= nyone knows what mojo is at work here? My layman theory is that longer and = thinner strings behave this way. Maybe it also has to do with the thin and = high frets of this All-Parts neck? Both factors also applying to the Stick = that executes these very same sonic characteristics. Just taking a guess he= re, I need to experiment more, also with normal bariton tuning (by thicker = strings) and compare.=C2=A0

On Saturday, June 2, 2012, chaz worm wrote:
Cool Per! I've always preferred u= nique things. That is why my first banjo that I inherited, a very cheap hor= rible banjo, one of the first things I did was rip out the frets and made i= t a nylon strings. I think usually banjos will often use classical guitar s= ets plus a 1 string for the high drone.=C2=A0
In my little town the local guitarsmith only has ONE classical single = but it was the B string or 2. I like low things. Instead of the standard 1,= 4,3,2,1.=C2=A0
I had an epiphany. Why not 2,5,4,3,2?
It's now my favorite axe. My Baritone, fretless nylon string= minstrel banjo.=C2=A0
Fwiw, here's a recent clip of me not u= sing it

Check out this video on YouTube:

Chaz Worm Medley (Plan B and Turn to Stone= )


Sent from my iPhone
Chaz=C2=A0


Sen= t from my iPhone

On Jun 1, 2012, at 6:19 PM, Jim Goodin <<= a href=3D"javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com&#= 39;);" target=3D"_blank">jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> wrote:

Per man you are getting= all sorts of cool things these days, last week the Tim Donahue harp fretle= ss, this week a tele baritone, what's next?

one stan= dard thought is that yes it has longer scale of the neck so one suggested t= uning is lo B E A D F# B which parallels std E A D G B E by 4th down= . =C2=A0On a 12 string of late I have been using C G D G B E though I jump = around a fair amount in tunings.=C2=A0

how are you tuning your= fretless harp strings?

jim
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

For some reason I'm suspecting there are many guitarists subscribed to<= br> this list. So may I please ask you a question: What strings do you
prefer for baryton guitar?

I just achieved a bariton Telecaster, by replacing the neck with an
American All-Parts bariton neck, and at the moment I'm playing it with<= br> .010 strings tuned as a normal guitar. This sounds so damn good I can
hardly imagine a guitar can sound better! But isn't baryton supposed to be lower? Is the normal procedure to strap it with thicker strings
and tune them lower?

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen




--
--
jimgoodin.com - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, rep= etitive minimalism'
=C2=A0
From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free J= azz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=C3=B6rn.=C2=A0 Proceeds from thi= s CD will benefit JDRF In= ternational

Tips Across the Waters, a= new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.



--
Greetings from S= weden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen

--20cf302d4892ff409704c179a72d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 09:38:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 630BD183460; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 09:38:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 768899857/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.22.20/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.22.20 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAODdyU9YbRYU/2dsb2JhbAANOIVOsW0BAQEDASMVQAYLCxoCBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFHAGIAqUDkhqBI4xoggSBEgOaWI0a X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,702,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="768899857" Message-ID: <4FC9DF31.3040401@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 10:38:57 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Baryton guitar strings/tuning? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3cUW2D.A.Ff.o8dyPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 09:38:48 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > So I'm wondering if > anyone knows what mojo is at work here? ;-) not really, but like to theorise. The regular "standard" choice may be not ideal on a regular guitar. At least not subjectively to some of us. Particularly for me the regular guitar guage lacks definition on the lower strings. Regular strings have tension that drops for the bass side. To me at least, there are simply too lose. Probably I don't have an opinion that works for the regular guitarist, but then I expect you also have a individual take on what you like in an instrument, maybe we coincide here. Using the same guage and pitch at a longer scale ups the tension, so this fits with my impression that guitar strings are generally a bit slack for the best sound. You just upped the tension. ok, to compare the quality of your neck with the previous one, capo it so it's the same scale length as the original, tune to regular and see how it sounds. (fretted notes will now be directly comparable Most likely, you simply have a "better" neck. andy ps and you're sure it's not just "new strings sound better" ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 11:11:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46F63183460; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:11:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 300 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 11:11:14 UTC X-Originating-IP: [75.106.117.247] X-Originating-Email: [joy_top@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Subject: Re: Baryton guitar strings/tuning From: joy_top top Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 04:22:37 -0700 To: "loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2012 11:06:14.0363 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9C2FAB0:01CD40AF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:11:15 +0000 (UTC) I went with a 6 string bass string set for EADGBE. Ebow works great on it, h= aven't changed out pickups but want to. This is on a DanElectro double neck.= Sent from the star cluster Memory Alpha From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 11:17:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1EE0183466; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:17:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=8up0E706EabW+KqgoB3QNSjJNnw38pBxMjz3l2EA5fo=; b=Vhjn/BOOdJxQMfIwMI7rQdaScpolwaoREPF0Fnw0vly7YONH3HOd2KmxnBn/CY6UIV 2xQPwa5f9xPqwccUmp0EXIkuJZL+13jl5vknQboaNBscgYQkuhGQECfBHBA9lb3QKA1i 3kVP1bTbw8HmCfxe0Yr6MsGY5BEmAnygYE5tCBQn/g/rj7kUkytGL+yE7GeWBOTInsjM HJpKa2fITaVwfT8V8yzfvdzC+5mP/6ciTwnfg2DXXmHaPaYdgznDkU7WNKvleArF80mh RezppK+7BRNzBmHlvUHDkxynYpE0bx6E6KKWMFFXJLR9yVc8s9zq8EpBibb+y+8VH6XR UAMA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1F65062A-3E94-473B-9547-720ED3CB1637@baymoon.com> References: <1F65062A-3E94-473B-9547-720ED3CB1637@baymoon.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:17:05 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Looperlative LP2 From: Pawel Janowski To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b33c8eee4551f04c17b7036 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:17:07 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b33c8eee4551f04c17b7036 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hmm, I will have to try agin then. Are there any tricks to setting it up/getting it working? On 2 June 2012 02:56, William Walker wrote: > I had no problem using a functioning roland EV-5 pedal on the LP-2 to > control feedback. > Bill > > --047d7b33c8eee4551f04c17b7036 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmm, I will have to try agin then. Are there any tricks to setting it up/ge= tting it working?

On 2 June 2012 02:56, = William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
I had no problem using a functioning roland = EV-5 pedal on the LP-2 to control feedback.
=A0Bill


--047d7b33c8eee4551f04c17b7036-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 12:29:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FC5D183454; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:29:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FCA072F.9060708@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 08:29:35 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #791 for May 31, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:29:39 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/120531.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #791 May 31, 2012. WDIY Playlist:http://wdiy.org/shows/playList.jsp?id=8884 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Broekhuis, Keller, and Schonwalder. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Red" on Manikin Records. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/focus.html#may PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) The Tangent Project Departure Live 2010-2011 (none) Dan Pound Transmutate Cocoon (Poundsounds) Dan Pound Emerge Cocoon (Poundsounds) Amongst Myselves Southern Lights Ambient, Landscape and Space (Black Hole Mix) (none) Broekhuis, Keller, Red One Red (Manikin) and Schonwalder 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Broekhuis, Keller, Red One (continued) Red (Manikin) and Schonwalder Broekhuis, Keller, Red Two Red (Manikin) and Schonwalder Broekhuis, Keller, From Red To Green Red (Manikin) and Schonwalder 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on mindSpiral. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "the 1 is silent" on Atomic City Records. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/focus.html#jun Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/listen on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 13:38:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 800EE18345E; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:38:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [76.67.24.168] X-Originating-Email: [etsguertin@sympatico.ca] Message-ID: From: etienne guertin To: References: Subject: Re: Baryton guitar strings/tuning? Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 09:38:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD40A3.850CFC00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2012 13:38:54.0862 (UTC) FILETIME=[0DD832E0:01CD40C5] Resent-Message-ID: <_A2CTB.A.acC.xdhyPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:38:57 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD40A3.850CFC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable was reading this article. interesting approach to baritone strings = http://www.acguitar.com/article/default.aspx?articleid=3D27434 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Per Boysen=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 5:09 AM Subject: Re: Baryton guitar strings/tuning? Well, my bariton scale Telecaster is not "low" (currently) but maybe = you could see it as "unique" to tune it as a regular guitar despite the = longer scale. I never thought about that way, I just tried regular E A D = G B E tuning out of curiosity and since I happened to have a spare set = of regulars - and am surprised how great it sounds this way! It doen't = sound any bariton at all, just like a super Telecaster but with better = intonation, better balansing of both frequencies and notes in a chord = and finally much more prounounced fundamentals. So I'm wondering if = anyone knows what mojo is at work here? My layman theory is that longer = and thinner strings behave this way. Maybe it also has to do with the = thin and high frets of this All-Parts neck? Both factors also applying = to the Stick that executes these very same sonic characteristics. Just = taking a guess here, I need to experiment more, also with normal bariton = tuning (by thicker strings) and compare.=20 On Saturday, June 2, 2012, chaz worm wrote: Cool Per! I've always preferred unique things. That is why my first = banjo that I inherited, a very cheap horrible banjo, one of the first = things I did was rip out the frets and made it a nylon strings. I think = usually banjos will often use classical guitar sets plus a 1 string for = the high drone.=20 In my little town the local guitarsmith only has ONE classical = single but it was the B string or 2. I like low things. Instead of the = standard 1,4,3,2,1.=20 I had an epiphany. Why not 2,5,4,3,2? It's now my favorite axe. My Baritone, fretless nylon string = minstrel banjo.=20 Fwiw, here's a recent clip of me not using it Check out this video on YouTube: Chaz Worm Medley (Plan B and Turn to Stone) Sent from my iPhone Chaz=20 Sent from my iPhone On Jun 1, 2012, at 6:19 PM, Jim Goodin = wrote: Per man you are getting all sorts of cool things these days, last = week the Tim Donahue harp fretless, this week a tele baritone, what's = next? one standard thought is that yes it has longer scale of the neck = so one suggested tuning is lo B E A D F# B which parallels std E A D G B = E by 4th down. On a 12 string of late I have been using C G D G B E = though I jump around a fair amount in tunings.=20 how are you tuning your fretless harp strings? jim On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Per Boysen = wrote: Hi, For some reason I'm suspecting there are many guitarists = subscribed to this list. So may I please ask you a question: What strings do = you prefer for baryton guitar? I just achieved a bariton Telecaster, by replacing the neck with = an American All-Parts bariton neck, and at the moment I'm playing = it with .010 strings tuned as a normal guitar. This sounds so damn good = I can hardly imagine a guitar can sound better! But isn't baryton = supposed to be lower? Is the normal procedure to strap it with thicker = strings and tune them lower? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen --=20 --=20 jimgoodin.com - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, = repetitive minimalism' From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim = Goodin & Peter Th=C3=B6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF = International Tips Across the Waters, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood = and Wire Ware. --=20 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD40A3.850CFC00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
was reading this article. interesting = approach to=20 baritone strings h= ttp://www.acguitar.com/article/default.aspx?articleid=3D27434<= /DIV>
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Per = Boysen=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 = 5:09=20 AM
Subject: Re: Baryton guitar=20 strings/tuning?

Well, my bariton scale Telecaster is not "low" = (currently) but=20 maybe you could see it as "unique" to tune it as a regular guitar = despite the=20 longer scale. I never thought about that way, I just tried regular E A = D G B E=20 tuning out of curiosity and since I happened to have a spare set of = regulars -=20 and am surprised how great it sounds this way! It doen't sound any = bariton at=20 all, just like a super Telecaster but with better intonation, better = balansing=20 of both frequencies and notes in a chord and finally  much more=20 prounounced fundamentals. So I'm wondering if anyone knows what mojo = is at=20 work here? My layman theory is that longer and thinner strings behave = this=20 way. Maybe it also has to do with the thin and high frets of this = All-Parts=20 neck? Both factors also applying to the Stick that executes these very = same=20 sonic characteristics. Just taking a guess here, I need to experiment = more,=20 also with normal bariton tuning (by thicker strings) and=20 compare. 

On Saturday, June 2, 2012, chaz worm wrote:
Cool Per! I've always preferred unique things. That is why my = first=20 banjo that I inherited, a very cheap horrible banjo, one of the = first things=20 I did was rip out the frets and made it a nylon strings. I think = usually=20 banjos will often use classical guitar sets plus a 1 string for the = high=20 drone. 
In my little town the local guitarsmith only has ONE classical = single=20 but it was the B string or 2. I like low things. Instead of the = standard=20 1,4,3,2,1. 
I had an epiphany. Why not 2,5,4,3,2?

It's now my favorite axe. My Baritone, fretless nylon string = minstrel=20 banjo. 
Fwiw, here's a recent clip of me not using it

Check out this video on YouTube:

Chaz Worm Medley (Plan B and Turn to = Stone)


Sent from my iPhone
Chaz 


Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 1, 2012, at 6:19 PM, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> = wrote:

Per man you are getting all sorts of cool things these days, = last=20 week the Tim Donahue harp fretless, this week a tele baritone, = what's=20 next?

one standard thought is that yes it has longer scale of the = neck so=20 one suggested tuning is lo=20 B E A D F# B which parallels std E A D G B E by 4th down.  On = a 12=20 string of late I have been using C G D G B E though I jump around = a fair=20 amount in tunings. 

how are you tuning your fretless harp=20 strings?

jim

On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Per = Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

For some reason I'm suspecting = there are=20 many guitarists subscribed to
this list. So may I please ask = you a=20 question: What strings do you
prefer for baryton = guitar?

I=20 just achieved a bariton Telecaster, by replacing the neck with=20 an
American All-Parts bariton neck, and at the moment I'm = playing it=20 with
.010 strings tuned as a normal guitar. This sounds so = damn good=20 I can
hardly imagine a guitar can sound better! But isn't = baryton=20 supposed
to be lower? Is the normal procedure to strap it = with=20 thicker strings
and tune them lower?

Greetings from=20 Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen



--
--
jimgoodin.com - 'Acoustic guitar = renaissance,=20 color blue, repetitive minimalism'
 
From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new = World/Free Jazz=20 recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=C3=B6rn.  Proceeds = from this CD=20 will benefit JDRF=20 International

Tips Across the Waters, a new app for iOS = from=20 James Goodin/Wood and Wire=20 = Ware.



= --=20
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen

= ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD40A3.850CFC00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 14:19:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9A78183464; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:19:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XbG9C95rzuCZGFSF2sKe45HLDivMwcy3qiCY1w7l2rQ=; b=SdkXNZ70NSTcDRQL9wSOmsVRm07RksRSnLnCUzopsNxq4ZQ7TIAmEalGDwZeu560xS OqkB9o0QnESpnhCrGN0MRP9nhYmyO9qvir5Hik7xbcMjAgv1hOg1TWGDw2i3jYtGlzST QWLi6NsFDxNbb6NgNeGslnoPUgZVkqb0MOrVDRfQOzfiVA3ovSBIIWA48e9QHwpy1JF8 ywOYP8MZ/YC2Tx9EfWHUxN0Z/i8rCPWC5daPRTCTEZT4WvtrCbjVv5AQ0rxyUMmARVEK 7nN+XPjLurYYy6ZGCVWsVeqwGXBbiNhfJJk85OLzkdfMQogyU3qrORvBCaBYS9jZHowY 3SBw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 16:19:18 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Baryton guitar strings/tuning? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <0_eMPD.A.h6C.mDiyPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:19:18 +0000 (UTC) Thanks! That was a very interesting article. I haven't thought about tuning up the two middle strings from a trad baritone tuning but I will check out that. Makes the guitar closer to the TD Harp Guitar where the harp strings double up guitar strings in the same octave. Also similar to playing in the same octave on both fretboards of a Stick. Having four alternative pedal notes at hand on a guitar must be powerful. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 3:38 PM, etienne guertin w= rote: > was reading this article. interesting approach to baritone strings > http://www.acguitar.com/article/default.aspx?articleid=3D27434 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Per Boysen > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 5:09 AM > Subject: Re: Baryton guitar strings/tuning? > > Well, my bariton scale Telecaster is not "low" (currently) but maybe you > could see it as "unique" to tune it as a regular guitar despite the longe= r > scale. I never thought about that way, I just tried regular E A D G B E > tuning out of curiosity and since I happened to have a spare set of regul= ars > - and am surprised how great it sounds this way! It doen't sound any bari= ton > at all, just like a super Telecaster but with better intonation, better > balansing of both frequencies and notes in a chord and finally =C2=A0much= more > prounounced fundamentals. So I'm wondering if anyone knows what mojo is a= t > work here? My layman theory is that longer and thinner strings behave thi= s > way. Maybe it also has to do with the thin and high frets of this All-Par= ts > neck? Both factors also applying to the Stick that executes these very sa= me > sonic characteristics. Just taking a guess here, I need to experiment mor= e, > also with normal bariton tuning (by thicker strings) and compare. > > On Saturday, June 2, 2012, chaz worm wrote: >> >> Cool Per! I've always preferred unique things. That is why my first banj= o >> that I inherited, a very cheap horrible banjo, one of the first things I= did >> was rip out the frets and made it a nylon strings. I think usually banjo= s >> will often use classical guitar sets plus a 1 string for the high drone. >> In my little town the local guitarsmith only has ONE classical single bu= t >> it was the B string or 2. I like low things. Instead of the standard >> 1,4,3,2,1. >> I had an epiphany. Why not 2,5,4,3,2? >> >> It's now my favorite axe. My Baritone, fretless nylon string minstrel >> banjo. >> Fwiw, here's a recent clip of me not using it >> >> Check out this video on YouTube: >> >> Chaz Worm Medley (Plan B and Turn to Stone) >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> Chaz >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 1, 2012, at 6:19 PM, Jim Goodin wrote: >> >> Per man you are getting all sorts of cool things these days, last week t= he >> Tim Donahue harp fretless, this week a tele baritone, what's next? >> >> one standard thought is that yes it has longer scale of the neck so one >> suggested tuning is lo B E A D F# B which parallels std E A D G B E by 4= th >> down. =C2=A0On a 12 string of late I have been using C G D G B E though = I jump >> around a fair amount in tunings. >> >> how are you tuning your fretless harp strings? >> >> jim >> >> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> For some reason I'm suspecting there are many guitarists subscribed to >>> this list. So may I please ask you a question: What strings do you >>> prefer for baryton guitar? >>> >>> I just achieved a bariton Telecaster, by replacing the neck with an >>> American All-Parts bariton neck, and at the moment I'm playing it with >>> .010 strings tuned as a normal guitar. This sounds so damn good I can >>> hardly imagine a guitar can sound better! But isn't baryton supposed >>> to be lower? Is the normal procedure to strap it with thicker strings >>> and tune them lower? >>> >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> www.perboysen.com >>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> jimgoodin.com - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive >> minimalism' >> >> From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin= & >> Peter Th=C3=B6rn.=C2=A0 Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF Internat= ional >> >> Tips Across the Waters, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wir= e >> Ware. >> > > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 15:02:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AFFC18345E; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 15:02:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=hr4h1/zkXYERSJ2EStLXlJ9v/X1e5ATtVUFVM9Abuxk= c=1 sm=0 a=eiYxy5Udi-cA:10 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=VIK7ZpmuAAAA:20 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=dMZfGW12AAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=TsWlP4QYAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=liqvVuF1AAAA:8 a=mZT8sLpJUzwB4TDdmPYA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=zUt2E-I4gt0A:10 a=ZQex0MP4MCEA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=LNmrG2P2/FTMg+bJRtTSbA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: Baryton guitar strings/tuning? References: From: chaz worm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0B18F958-3ED7-413A-B2AC-34BA46D6AD03@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 10:38:13 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) Resent-Message-ID: <_WpIW.A.3XD.5riyPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 15:02:17 +0000 (UTC) BTW. I forgot to even mention what I tune it to. I'm sure this list has a pl= ethora of banjo players who are waiting with abated breath. I use 2,5-2 nylo= n guitar strings tuned down almost a full octave (open A).=20 Here I am using it on a classic Cramps song shortly before it's wireless tra= nsmitter went AWOL.=20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DwVyIxh2pv94&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_player Sent from my iPhone On Jun 2, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Thanks! That was a very interesting article. I haven't thought about > tuning up the two middle strings from a trad baritone tuning but I > will check out that. Makes the guitar closer to the TD Harp Guitar > where the harp strings double up guitar strings in the same octave. > Also similar to playing in the same octave on both fretboards of a > Stick. Having four alternative pedal notes at hand on a guitar must be > powerful. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 > On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 3:38 PM, etienne guertin w= rote: >> was reading this article. interesting approach to baritone strings >> http://www.acguitar.com/article/default.aspx?articleid=3D27434 >>=20 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Per Boysen >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 5:09 AM >> Subject: Re: Baryton guitar strings/tuning? >>=20 >> Well, my bariton scale Telecaster is not "low" (currently) but maybe you >> could see it as "unique" to tune it as a regular guitar despite the longe= r >> scale. I never thought about that way, I just tried regular E A D G B E >> tuning out of curiosity and since I happened to have a spare set of regul= ars >> - and am surprised how great it sounds this way! It doen't sound any bari= ton >> at all, just like a super Telecaster but with better intonation, better >> balansing of both frequencies and notes in a chord and finally much more= >> prounounced fundamentals. So I'm wondering if anyone knows what mojo is a= t >> work here? My layman theory is that longer and thinner strings behave thi= s >> way. Maybe it also has to do with the thin and high frets of this All-Par= ts >> neck? Both factors also applying to the Stick that executes these very sa= me >> sonic characteristics. Just taking a guess here, I need to experiment mor= e, >> also with normal bariton tuning (by thicker strings) and compare. >>=20 >> On Saturday, June 2, 2012, chaz worm wrote: >>>=20 >>> Cool Per! I've always preferred unique things. That is why my first banj= o >>> that I inherited, a very cheap horrible banjo, one of the first things I= did >>> was rip out the frets and made it a nylon strings. I think usually banjo= s >>> will often use classical guitar sets plus a 1 string for the high drone.= >>> In my little town the local guitarsmith only has ONE classical single bu= t >>> it was the B string or 2. I like low things. Instead of the standard >>> 1,4,3,2,1. >>> I had an epiphany. Why not 2,5,4,3,2? >>>=20 >>> It's now my favorite axe. My Baritone, fretless nylon string minstrel >>> banjo. >>> Fwiw, here's a recent clip of me not using it >>>=20 >>> Check out this video on YouTube: >>>=20 >>> Chaz Worm Medley (Plan B and Turn to Stone) >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> Chaz >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Sent from my iPhone >>>=20 >>> On Jun 1, 2012, at 6:19 PM, Jim Goodin wrote:= >>>=20 >>> Per man you are getting all sorts of cool things these days, last week t= he >>> Tim Donahue harp fretless, this week a tele baritone, what's next? >>>=20 >>> one standard thought is that yes it has longer scale of the neck so one >>> suggested tuning is lo B E A D F# B which parallels std E A D G B E by 4= th >>> down. On a 12 string of late I have been using C G D G B E though I jum= p >>> around a fair amount in tunings. >>>=20 >>> how are you tuning your fretless harp strings? >>>=20 >>> jim >>>=20 >>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Hi, >>>>=20 >>>> For some reason I'm suspecting there are many guitarists subscribed to >>>> this list. So may I please ask you a question: What strings do you >>>> prefer for baryton guitar? >>>>=20 >>>> I just achieved a bariton Telecaster, by replacing the neck with an >>>> American All-Parts bariton neck, and at the moment I'm playing it with >>>> .010 strings tuned as a normal guitar. This sounds so damn good I can >>>> hardly imagine a guitar can sound better! But isn't baryton supposed >>>> to be lower? Is the normal procedure to strap it with thicker strings >>>> and tune them lower? >>>>=20 >>>> Greetings from Sweden >>>>=20 >>>> Per Boysen >>>> www.perboysen.com >>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -- >>> -- >>> jimgoodin.com - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive >>> minimalism' >>>=20 >>> =46rom Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Good= in & >>> Peter Th=C3=B6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF International= >>>=20 >>> Tips Across the Waters, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wir= e >>> Ware. >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> Greetings from Sweden >>=20 >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 15:43:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 400B4183460; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 15:43:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=psWcb5N98119OaOi9bjyg15qVElTHlpKZyP+LUQnThs= c=1 sm=1 a=eiYxy5Udi-cA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=1GEAJHf6sk0krom5UrMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Baryton guitar strings/tuning? From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 08:42:59 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 15:43:03 +0000 (UTC) It's the higher tension. On Jun 2, 2012, at 2:09 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Well, my bariton scale Telecaster is not "low" (currently) but maybe = you could see it as "unique" to tune it as a regular guitar despite the = longer scale. I never thought about that way, I just tried regular E A D = G B E tuning out of curiosity and since I happened to have a spare set = of regulars - and am surprised how great it sounds this way! It doen't = sound any bariton at all, just like a super Telecaster but with better = intonation, better balansing of both frequencies and notes in a chord = and finally much more prounounced fundamentals. So I'm wondering if = anyone knows what mojo is at work here? My layman theory is that longer = and thinner strings behave this way. Maybe it also has to do with the = thin and high frets of this All-Parts neck? Both factors also applying = to the Stick that executes these very same sonic characteristics. Just = taking a guess here, I need to experiment more, also with normal bariton = tuning (by thicker strings) and compare.=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 16:04:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA60118345E; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 16:04:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 665811.21994.bm@omp1002.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1338653094; bh=rWjBt9YThCrELyhGu6MKXC2qu8zzvKjLdQqvj6EAEWE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2QGkCpqX4vc7HEC19lTB3a5rk5pSMSWg8oP2y3UuUbR6pgVEYVlY3husVmif90b01Gk5hTGBKo/8eHEr2dCn+mak3H+kYduJF4LCAHHzG1gXN43FHEa34tHKHbyumstzMuHZP6wOCwcMSGbv6yQ0shOYkGwsGpC4H43LMrKlvWY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HODbABSrpAEPjRklfbrFowueHr0xG4iIO+36QMUWr/Cc/vsQ25KTbvrMvzn0hgMWnd5dEiJW5AWD54apM2oIsa6PUqsqDB12nAQHrEf4mu8Qz5Qmk/AtfbEc9zyhs9taCG9qVywdk9mxjswrYYIVDp+r+VDQQD7hPS6agnRCpMY=; X-YMail-OSG: LHpTfjAVM1k15NfyJgDbViV4iwUYD0oGnxnMvhbzaIKi86N 08IzPzX5TrXwqzAozqpOs5rXLO8nWHpBPymAAJoB5zlpoV.ovJfA1uHt9Krd WhkkzfpfGWxA6YBkfyCng1QbI8LJuQUNOOyJ5ckfbkhld.kbF9Nx3ZcBRQh_ S5MEhUwRvhV0ajQmK5BUHRYIvBJf.O.wihRGnyZywSZYeqe1Ie_pKWqOXS7S v.xKeQ._ZUGLDeuaTWTIe2uOtXS92UNI2B2eomyq_BMhnyz6362Ia7NnUpGu dTkCKchdlxW5Ts64R2TnE8l6rdDt3vhLx2eObh2.HwvQQ2xQTkIDMz5gi69D jFOwwyIGnbm2T2unNgB_gYIL9Xr07S87kViR1R79oe.EWcXErSX77Lw9fgkc 3I_XAgbolR5wvcyrXPRV2D3hj7JckdxkKUr8JWCUVH8yWhe8vKh89DCDdN0. yFCH5V0i6s.nlFxrJ_6DTMw3YFnYyVSF0bCkvdLwqBQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: Message-ID: <1338653094.9740.YahooMailNeo@web45301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 09:04:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Reply-To: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Baryton guitar strings/tuning? To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1350586632-2014119680-1338653094=:9740" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 16:04:55 +0000 (UTC) ---1350586632-2014119680-1338653094=:9740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On one of my Stratocasters I have a Danelectro baritone neck strung with D'= Addario baritone strings (.063 - .013) that I keep in the 'down a fifth' ne= ighborhood, ie. 'standard' would be A D G C E A (and modal/open tunings wou= ld be correspondingly lower). I have found, though, that using a capo on th= is guitar to make it, essentially, a shorter-scale instrument in 'normal' g= uitar range but with really, really heavy strings gives it an interesting s= ound as well.=0A=0A-t-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AOn = Jun 2, 2012, at 2:09 AM, Per Boysen wrote:=0A=0A> Well, my bariton scale Te= lecaster is not "low" (currently) but maybe you could see it as "unique" to= tune it as a regular guitar despite the longer scale. I never thought abou= t that way, I just tried regular E A D G B E tuning out of curiosity and si= nce I happened to have a spare set of regulars - and am surprised how great= it sounds this way! It doen't sound any bariton at all, just like a super = Telecaster but with better intonation, better balansing of both frequencies= and notes in a chord and finally=A0 much more prounounced fundamentals. So= I'm wondering if anyone knows what mojo is at work here? My layman theory = is that longer and thinner strings behave this way. Maybe it also has to do= with the thin and high frets of this All-Parts neck? Both factors also app= lying to the Stick that executes these very same sonic characteristics. Jus= t taking a guess here, I need to experiment more, also with normal bariton = tuning (by thicker strings) and compare. ---1350586632-2014119680-1338653094=:9740 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On one of my Stratoca= sters I have a Danelectro baritone neck strung with D'Addario baritone stri= ngs (.063 - .013) that I keep in the 'down a fifth' neighborhood, ie. 'stan= dard' would be A D G C E A (and modal/open tunings would be correspondingly= lower). I have found, though, that using a capo on this guitar to make it,= essentially, a shorter-scale instrument in 'normal' guitar range but with = really, really heavy strings gives it an interesting sound as well.

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> Well, my bariton scale Telecaster is not "low" (c= urrently) but maybe you could see it as "unique" to tune it as a regular gu= itar despite the longer scale. I never thought about that way, I just tried= regular E A D G B E tuning out of curiosity and since I happened to have a= spare set of regulars - and am surprised how great it sounds this way! It = doen't sound any bariton at all, just like a super Telecaster but with bett= er intonation, better balansing of both frequencies and notes in a chord an= d finally  much more prounounced fundamentals. So I'm wondering if any= one knows what mojo is at work here? My layman theory is that longer and th= inner strings behave this way. Maybe it also has to do with the thin and hi= gh frets of this All-Parts neck? Both factors also applying to the Stick th= at executes these very same sonic characteristics. Just taking a guess here= , I need to experiment more, also with normal bariton tuning (by thicker strings) and compare.



---1350586632-2014119680-1338653094=:9740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 16:25:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E03A183460; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 16:25:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <35D3ECAA-9F77-4923-98F4-DB304CD0B2F3@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-20--430142036 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Baryton guitar strings/tuning? Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 09:25:10 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <0DsSo.A.tWE.t5jyPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 16:25:17 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-20--430142036 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well first of all I refuse to answer this question until you learn how to spell Baritone :-) ok now you know, I've had three different conversion necks on strats over the last twenty years, the first one a WD deep six which was cool but I didn't like the headstock or the neck profile, the second a warmoth was even a longer scale length a whopping 28 5/8s that was too skinny and too long for me , and the last being an Allparts neck which is 27.78 like the one you have. That guitar I traded to Erdem for a portion of the masterful work he has done mixing and producing music I've recorded over the last couple of years. That last one was my favorite because it was on a light weight start body and sounded huge. I typically would use at least a . 013-.056 nickel wound set though I've used sets that were gauged .015-. 060, for a fatter more bass heavy sound. In either case I was tuning the guitar to B BEADF#B. With the longer scale warmoth I would tune to A. I'm contemplating doing it again perhaps on the tele this time but I must say having a tremolo with baritone strings tuned low gets one to that Spaghetti Western sound in a big hurry. And talk about fat surf tones? Booyah!!!! You can just see Clint eastwood squinting in the sun. The one drag being that alternate tunings are difficult to quickly get to because of the floating bridge though I did have success using this clever device to make that easier http://www.allparts.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=tremol-no&x=0&y=0 have fun Per it is a cool ride. Bill PS, treat you instrument to a set of Pyramid nickel round wound strings.. Andreas Willers re-introduced me to these incredible german made strings that are hard to get here in the US but are phenomenal. I have a set of .012-.054 on Nancy's Pink Strat for a low c tuning and they sound fantastic. It would give you a touch more tension but not enough to make it difficult to maneuver on. --Apple-Mail-20--430142036 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well first of all I refuse to = answer this question until you learn how to spell Baritone :-) ok now = you know, I've had three different conversion necks on strats over the = last twenty years,  the first one a WD deep six which was cool but = I didn't like the headstock or the neck profile, the second a warmoth = was even a longer scale length a whopping 28 5/8s that was too skinny = and too long for me , and the last being an Allparts neck  which is = 27.78 like the one you have. That guitar I traded to Erdem for a portion = of the masterful work he has done mixing and producing music I've = recorded over the last couple of years. That last one was my favorite = because it was on a light weight start body and sounded huge. I = typically would use at least a .013-.056 nickel wound set though I've = used sets that were gauged .015-.060, for a fatter more bass heavy = sound. In either case I was tuning the guitar to B  BEADF#B. =  With the longer scale warmoth I would tune to A. I'm contemplating = doing it again perhaps on the tele this time but I must say having a = tremolo with baritone strings tuned low gets one to that Spaghetti = Western sound in a big hurry. And talk about fat surf tones? Booyah!!!! = You can just see Clint eastwood squinting in the sun. The one drag being = that alternate tunings are difficult to quickly get to because of the = floating bridge though I did have success using this clever device to = make that easier http://www.allparts.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=3Dtremol-= no&x=3D0&y=3D0
 have fun Per it is a cool = ride.
Bill

 PS, treat you = instrument to a set of Pyramid nickel  round wound strings.. = Andreas Willers re-introduced me to these incredible german made strings = that are hard to get here in the US but are phenomenal.  I = have a set of .012-.054 on Nancy's Pink Strat for a low c tuning and = they sound fantastic.  It would give you a touch more tension =  but not enough to make it difficult to maneuver = on.
= --Apple-Mail-20--430142036-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 16:34:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38C8F183460; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 16:34:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6A499C05-01A8-4E3B-A6A2-EDF5A115678A@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Baryton guitar strings/tuning? Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 09:34:19 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 16:34:26 +0000 (UTC) > So I'm wondering if anyone knows what mojo is at work here? Well i can see a parallel with Ukulele's. Soprano concert and tenor Ukes all share the same tuning but are progressively longer in scale length. Tenor ukes have gotten more popular because, They are louder, have a slightly clearer fundamental tone and better intonation than the other two, particularly the tiny soprano which are notoriously difficult to intonate . My friend , builder Rick Turner who got in to the business of building Ukes a couple of years ago makes only tenors as standard production models with his brand Compass Rose. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 16:42:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9177418345E; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 16:42:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <57AB3C60-F69B-4A64-A7C1-6EAA95F04EE6@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Re: Looperlative LP2 Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 09:42:47 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 16:42:54 +0000 (UTC) > > Hmm, I will have to try agin then. Are there any tricks to setting > it up/getting it working? no tricks other than make sure that little minimum volume knob on the side is set to 0. however EV-5 pedals are made more cheaply than in the past and if the potentiometer is wearing out or the treadle is starting to slip you can get erratic behavior. I just had an EV-5 pedal go south on me in this way while I was controlling feedback from an LP-1 and it caused some weird glitchy behavior with some added crackling. I thought my looper was taking a dive until I trouble shot the issue. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 16:53:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7072118345E; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 16:53:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=aNvrwwytOFxPTeL312aov+yRcuzKDnnTjxpla1bxOrQ=; b=syaWRAVgE+DlRCV5KfPEic2wvV0BoNhta9mQpGK4C7UsXzrJoyKVbm7gzUp15/ZCTe xt/pvrY8nLz9yNqESNwap71UclLyZrfaO1aG0y9iyqSWGixmrWQMfgrxCxoYijYNYcuf g81kYBJiUnRDtA6hAMTcydhdFsdKIKPQUbOTyOQBtChwjDxXPJ8RrnguQecwVpbjOBzt S9HpIkkWeVpoE3N0U/SnjO6lhk0r5OsmX4ocTSs8Hnfw4SueJaAVTJw6dfjx4YKRRhl4 K1AJuI4OOqMWEDq1zwCVBjzTlZwc9056dqq9ljueOOFiqQmrmwn4HdWtJ3v+F/u/QfaS Q0jw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <35D3ECAA-9F77-4923-98F4-DB304CD0B2F3@baymoon.com> References: <35D3ECAA-9F77-4923-98F4-DB304CD0B2F3@baymoon.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 18:53:06 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Baryton guitar strings/tuning? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 16:53:07 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 6:25 PM, William Walker wro= te: > =C2=A0PS, treat you instrument to a set of Pyramid nickel =C2=A0round wou= nd strings.. Thanks! That I will check on for the baritonized telly. For fretless I'll go back to .013 - .056 flat wounds as they rattle so sexy on the ebony. On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 4:38 PM, chaz worm wrote= : > Here I am using it on a classic Cramps song shortly before it's wireless = transmitter went AWOL. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DwVyIxh2pv94&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_play= er Great sound, Chaz! Cool tune too. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 17:26:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1428818345D; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 17:26:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 597 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:26:24 UTC Subject: Re: Baryton guitar strings/tuning? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A5D2990B-475E-4E7C-9E30-0B9D38289FE6" From: Loren Claypool In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:16:23 -0500 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: References: <35D3ECAA-9F77-4923-98F4-DB304CD0B2F3@baymoon.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A02020B.4FCA4A6A.009F,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 17:26:24 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_A5D2990B-475E-4E7C-9E30-0B9D38289FE6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have three baritones, a Sub-Sonic Strat = (http://www.theclaypools.com/claymusenews/guitars/2000_Fender_American_Spe= cial_Sub-Sonic_Strat.htm), a custom built Tele = (http://www.theclaypools.com/claymusenews/guitars/1995_Fender_Baritone_Tel= e_Special_Custom.htm) with a Warmoth neck, and an Industrial Guitars = Baritone Lap Steel = (http://www.theclaypools.com/claymusenews/guitars/2005_Industrial_Guitars_= Baritone.htm). I have all three strung 14-68, tuned B-B. The full = details of the Baritone Tele and its conversion are available at = http://www.theclaypools.com/guitargallery/lorenclaypool/baritonetele/index= .htm. =20 All the best, Loren Claypool genre-indifferent instrumental guitar music www.lorenclaypool.com and links from there --Apple-Mail=_A5D2990B-475E-4E7C-9E30-0B9D38289FE6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I = have three baritones, a Sub-Sonic Strat (http://www.theclaypools.com/claymusenews/= guitars/2000_Fender_American_Special_Sub-Sonic_Strat.htm), a custom = built Tele (http://www.theclaypools.com/claymusenews/guit= ars/1995_Fender_Baritone_Tele_Special_Custom.htm) with a Warmoth = neck, and an Industrial Guitars Baritone Lap Steel (http://www.theclaypools.com/claymusenews/guitars/2005= _Industrial_Guitars_Baritone.htm). I have all three strung 14-68, = tuned B-B. The full details of the Baritone Tele and its conversion = are available at http://www.theclaypools.com/guitargallery/lorenclaypool/bari= tonetele/index.htm.
 
All the = best,

Loren = Claypool
genre-indifferent instrumental guitar = music
www.lorenclaypool.com and = links from there
Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:02:37 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Time for the Looper's Delight / Live Looping Conference 2012 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 18:02:40 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0481739088== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,=20loopers.=20The=20Looper's=20Delight=20/=20Live=20Looping=20Confere= nce=202012=20is=20about=20to=20start.=20 So=20far,=20no=20one=20is=20dialing=20in,=20and=20it's=202:00.=20I=20know= =20it=20got=20plenty=20of=20publicity.=20Let's=20just=20 wait=20and=20see=20what=20happens. Tyler=20Z --===============0481739088==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 18:58:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F395318345B; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 18:58:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0481739088==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120602185812.12656.35656.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:58:15 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: things not going so well at the Conference Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 18:58:17 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0481739088== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So=20far,=20I=20logged=20into=20the=20conference,=20and=20for=20a=20long=20= time,=20no=20one=20was=20there.=20Mark=20had=20a=20bad=20connection,=20so= =20he=20 couldn't=20stay.=20Todd=20Reynolds=20stayed=20awhile,=20and=20now=20there's= =20no=20one=20left.=20What=20did=20I=20do=20wrong? Tyler=20Z --===============0481739088==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 21:15:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FF9418345E; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 21:15:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0481739088==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120602211528.14390.35656.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:15:31 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: half-way decent turn-out at Looper's Delight / Live Looping Conference 2012 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 21:15:29 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0481739088== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm=20sorry=20to=20say=20this,=20but,=20most=20likely,=20we=20won't=20be=20= doing=20a=20conference=20next=20year.=20Todd=20 Reynolds=20made=20an=20appearance=20that=20really=20made=20the=20show=20com= e=20alive.=20When=20he=20left,=20there=20was=20a=20lot=20of=20 silence.=20While=20I=20was=20playing=20with=20some=20loop=20software,=20an= =20archive-reader=20who=20hasn't=20joined=20the=20mailing=20 list=20came=20in.=20So,=20those=20two=20loopers,=20and=20that's=20it.=20A= =20Conversation=20Station=20server=20is=20holding=20a=20 recording=20of=20everything=20that=20happened,=20and=20it=20will=20be=20rel= eased=20to=20the=20public=20another=20day,=20with=20a=20lot=20of=20editing;= =20there=20 was=20a=20lot=20of=20silence.=20But=20only=20a=20few=20people=20came.=20Tho= se=20few=20people=20really=20made=20the=20show=20what=20it=20was,=20though!= =20 I'm=20glad=20they=20joined,=20and=20the=20only=20music=20you'll=20hear=20on= =20the=20recording=20is=20me=20looping.=20Some=20say=20 early=20June=20was=20a=20bad=20time. Tyler=20Z --===============0481739088==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 21:25:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0798D183454; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 21:25:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=xE/k1lSkQ2AHIPssuccQGZ8bZKRu9lzy5FWMoQLWb0Q=; b=w7QcY2m4JBpK+m7k6iz3LR22zP1Er/YiKqIVAbNFw1mEJ1Nsj8ATA2N0QHg0vZhFGW DSeiThe/PPix3I1bLpn2LujiL9urgluNGo9A1IQGC2/S05kumTcbYvF8T8IeWdFOUrlN I/v/MRV075u4eKXt19k88MXuTflK231KwSzk9NqhSBpeFF+bB+x3TPKr99DLQD2TimXS GfpvtgWOBsk5D8iCzBOSFYEnwwrUH/BvA+NTH88SDtoYv1cxzjlH8IHbNTgeKEb+8vK9 elczzop5JaMIVdmHIhFU/0F8ZxHpia89bipmx9gpF650FU8eqceofNJfMavUXgKzX/Rn AyDg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 16:25:26 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: baritone strings tuning/gauge... From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6dbe6d082e7d604c183f0b6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 21:25:27 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6dbe6d082e7d604c183f0b6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 baritones are usually tuned to a lower tuning. i'm not a person who loves living by "rules" tune it to whatever, use whatever strings you feel necessary. that is one rule i just hate in the guitar world, this "i have to have thick cable strings to get a good tone/sound" never understood that. i myself on my 25.5 scale guitars use 9s, and i generally tune to "D" (whole step below standard). i even have one guitar tuned to drop-C w/ 9s. it takes some getting used to (strings are floppier), but i found that you adjust and all is well. there are a # of "big name guitarists" who use 8s, and i think they sound fine and do alright. i think you should just experiment and adjust to your taste-if the 9s or 10s tuned low don't sound right, go to 11s etc. if it sounds good to you, it's good. i know for me, since i've been playing so long down-tuned, that whenever i play a guitar in standard tuning, it just sounds so twangy to me...it's just not the sound in my head for me. good luck, s--- --0016e6dbe6d082e7d604c183f0b6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
baritones are usually tuned to a lower tuning.
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i'm not a person who loves living by "rules"
tune = it to whatever, use whatever strings you feel necessary. that is one rule i= just hate in the guitar world, this "i have to have thick cable strin= gs to get a good tone/sound"
never understood that.
=A0
i myself on my 25.5 sca= le guitars use 9s, and i generally tune to "D" (whole step below = standard). i even have one guitar tuned to drop-C w/ 9s.
it takes= some getting used to (strings are floppier), but i found that you adjust a= nd all is well.
=A0
there are a # of "big name guitarists" who use= 8s, and i think they sound fine and do alright.
=A0
i = think you should just experiment and adjust to your taste-if the 9s or 10s = tuned low don't sound right, go to 11s etc.
if it sounds good to you, it's good.
i know for me, sinc= e i've been playing so long down-tuned, that whenever i play a guitar i= n standard tuning, it just sounds so twangy to me...it's just not the s= ound
in my head for me.
good luck,
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--0016e6dbe6d082e7d604c183f0b6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 22:30:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1998818345E; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 22:30:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ewMCUytWbXnbOUVmm2louzR5bSzhP2FyUcyhOAPvsEI=; b=KlK531cdgOaehoYMS7doFdzTEQHKeSgAXMev71o69Mv6EPctTw9ssoH4N7gWjuljOY ZFyUCtPK+iI+6p7XSvWftP8MGPvhCdlnsXAYHIB50cLht98XVYrbWWNGdoWeTOyP78/F +NrRfAaKIqEovFsb4Rk0dVwicmTkF9RhTWAP3x8llmS+bx27E6h1XPmQFCoeJIMRnYHB srTQUSOFsiroUs2ACzWRD/5J1QX7fnrUWxTdr15H5b1LeoxRN94gizaFgZQVaW4CWbgD b93WYrFEhCwxiuDG0kg/i3WrS2I6ixLbghOQHIYhAkb4wh61Dp1DjqhG6Xz/lTUjiCIK EG/g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 00:30:55 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Baritone guitar strings/tuning? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 22:30:55 +0000 (UTC) This thread turned into an interesting discussion where I learned a lot. I tested the 27.78 with the typical Baritone set of .013 - .060 and tuned down both to A and to B. In both cases the sparkling magic was totally gone down there in sloppy mud land. I guess Ted and Andy are right about the higher tension causing my clarity of sound and pronounced fundamentals, probably in combination with the thinner strings as well. But at EADGBE a regular .010 set was just a little bit too tense so I will try to tune down one whole step. I have always loved the sound of high tension strings and with a normal guitar scale the best sounding string tension becomes too hard to bend. But on a Baritone neck even tense strings can easily be bent three half tones. While I had the trad Bari tuning I tried to replace the two mid strings for much thinner tuned one octave higher, like in that Pat Matheny article, and this tuning sounds great on chords but doesn't precisely bring out the Tele soul like the thinner high tension setup. I think I'd rather play another instrument than setting up a Bari Tele in that highly specialized tuning. And I already have other guitars well setup for drop-B metal riff recording, so it seems the regular .010 is the winner. Good hint about those Pyramid Nickel Round Wound strings! The technical point seems to be that they use a round core and not a hex core (that was introduced for manufacturing reasons). Will buy them next time. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 23:09:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBF6D18345D; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 23:09:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=9QRVD6GOqP8SxguTMWIsVEm0G7D/med2WmGEinSvQQY=; b=TOkOnSV+l3OUmIjtbWLDfAnekryuAVq6xsVeae8nCGPKaBwIsSMXNXu0DjBLwIonIV kctMgHQRtfi6lwa+d93GIu+HWbbl4nvJC0C34K0y74PMrnU/PXuU8rOfBil6BNT8Qwf5 xGlrKrKuLKYkJMi3Tut9rYCqPPrcqP0yNyl83znjX34eZQPYdgefTIGbbzoI0GpZilKc P9CNtEN3U0ZQX56uVd1ikFXEre7P6wfeIoTbVa3SSaC6FOd06w8U5Y6TbFZrgYsX/2sy sSUlS9+CzBRNGHqQuwT9ydVnkxy37xHN3FBpfcYNW6JxzS8jwdGf3Mzt2kfw5Haix8sK wpUg== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Subject: Re: Syncing DIN Sync devices to an EDP From: Philip In-Reply-To: <4FC9CA48.4080306@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 08:09:38 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0A0E94DC-D353-4ED6-8118-38DCDB4BD182@gmail.com> References: <1974F985-42FD-41A3-8831-DF6FC4659381@gmail.com> <4FC9CA48.4080306@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 23:09:42 +0000 (UTC) Great info. Thanks! As soon as I get back to town, I'll have to play around with = Beatsync--that may just be the ticket. I'm really excited about that. I suppose I should have used the word WITH instead of "to". I apologize = for the confusion. Some of the old devices only send DIN others can send = or receive. I'm not really picky about which is happening so long and = everything is playing together. On Jun 2, 2012, at 5:09 PM, andy butler wrote: > hi Philip >=20 > philip wrote: >> Does anyone have any ideas for syncing old roland gear like TB303s = and TR606/808s to an EDP? >=20 > here you say roland gear follows EDP >=20 >> I don't need anything fancy, just for the EDP to read the BPM or the = length of a measure. >=20 > here you say EDP follows roland gear. >=20 >=20 > EDP can sync to incoming midi. >=20 > EDP can sync to incoming audio via Beatsync, but you have to tap in = loop length. > EDP can sync=20 > EDP can sync to impulse via Beatsync, try it. >=20 > EDP, (i think) can sync to impulse for whole bar length via brother = sync, > and display looptime, > but I'd have to look up details, you might have to experiment. >=20 >=20 > No idea about what the roland stuff can do, does it send impulse every = beat? > (that's what that kind of gear did pre- those ones you mentioned, and = last time > I ever played around with them) >=20 > andy >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 23:24:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2E45183454; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 23:24:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=8gAzh22lb+eV+PqmYRaptpcYo69wFVph4cT0rJoPxgc=; b=MM3vQBQtw6265zDtkRlJD6Vd+GkQ9FIJ6y9jIIspBdmY0+w77DYhJTHNXBqkIV3I3t X1Le3g5X8bmoZ8KvudrKXahF/BerD/dxN9ykkuLObRLpEosAV9WmMN43px4/+Q/60tSB 1gSwAVrNsujrkNbdWz2Qdr+ExWVFYbCZlVGPpIaV8N4et4zKzeYX7Y51Umrl3BjWUJr2 G4iatH25nMAOHRoH9fBQvUS17cfJTkRFj7asrCW6dyBA9YgHrhXv1uT+rzGR3AySv10s kG2OIZLNGyzfmY7xoF63H2Os2Qjc2oOkmfJJtuUYn5zY6mQ7FnC63aRpLkjnTavgnMd7 PwtA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0A0E94DC-D353-4ED6-8118-38DCDB4BD182@gmail.com> References: <1974F985-42FD-41A3-8831-DF6FC4659381@gmail.com> <4FC9CA48.4080306@tiscali.co.uk> <0A0E94DC-D353-4ED6-8118-38DCDB4BD182@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 18:24:20 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Syncing DIN Sync devices to an EDP From: Marcus Kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175def2ab59c8f04c185995c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 23:24:21 +0000 (UTC) --0015175def2ab59c8f04c185995c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Why do you need the tr to set your loop length though? That's what I'm confused about. On Jun 2, 2012 6:09 PM, "Philip" wrote: > Great info. Thanks! > > As soon as I get back to town, I'll have to play around with > Beatsync--that may just be the ticket. I'm really excited about that. > > I suppose I should have used the word WITH instead of "to". I apologize > for the confusion. Some of the old devices only send DIN others can send or > receive. I'm not really picky about which is happening so long and > everything is playing together. > > > On Jun 2, 2012, at 5:09 PM, andy butler wrote: > > > hi Philip > > > > philip wrote: > >> Does anyone have any ideas for syncing old roland gear like TB303s and > TR606/808s to an EDP? > > > > here you say roland gear follows EDP > > > >> I don't need anything fancy, just for the EDP to read the BPM or the > length of a measure. > > > > here you say EDP follows roland gear. > > > > > > EDP can sync to incoming midi. > > > > EDP can sync to incoming audio via Beatsync, but you have to tap in loop > length. > > EDP can sync > > EDP can sync to impulse via Beatsync, try it. > > > > EDP, (i think) can sync to impulse for whole bar length via brother sync, > > and display looptime, > > but I'd have to look up details, you might have to experiment. > > > > > > No idea about what the roland stuff can do, does it send impulse every > beat? > > (that's what that kind of gear did pre- those ones you mentioned, and > last time > > I ever played around with them) > > > > andy > > > > --0015175def2ab59c8f04c185995c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Why do you need the tr to set your loop length though? That's what I= 'm confused about.

On Jun 2, 2012 6:09 PM, "Philip" <<= a href=3D"mailto:philip.ojc@gmail.com">philip.ojc@gmail.com> wrote:<= br type=3D"attribution">
Great info. Thanks!

As soon as I get back to town, I'll have to play around with Beatsync--= that may just be the ticket. I'm really excited about that.

I suppose I should have used the word WITH instead of "to". I apo= logize for the confusion. Some of the old devices only send DIN others can = send or receive. I'm not really picky about which is happening so long = and everything is playing together.


On Jun 2, 2012, at 5:09 PM, andy butler wrote:

> hi Philip
>
> philip wrote:
>> Does anyone have any ideas for syncing old roland gear like TB303s= and TR606/808s to an EDP?
>
> here you say roland gear follows EDP
>
>> I don't need anything fancy, just for the EDP to read the BPM = or the length of a measure.
>
> here you say EDP follows roland gear.
>
>
> EDP can sync to incoming midi.
>
> EDP can sync to incoming audio via Beatsync, but you have to tap in lo= op length.
> EDP can sync
> EDP can sync to impulse via Beatsync, try it.
>
> EDP, (i think) can sync to impulse for whole bar length via brother sy= nc,
> and display looptime,
> but I'd have to look up details, you might have to experiment.
>
>
> No idea about what the roland stuff can do, does it send impulse every= beat?
> (that's what that kind of gear did pre- those ones you mentioned, = and last time
> I ever played around with them)
>
> andy
>

--0015175def2ab59c8f04c185995c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 01:00:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F11F9183460; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 01:00:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5AACD36F-A934-460A-81DD-19C689CA375C@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Baryton guitar strings/tuning? Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 18:00:33 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 01:00:41 +0000 (UTC) > I have three baritones, a Sub-Sonic Strat Duuude! you have some sweat guitars! too bad you live in the Midwest, I'd be over every weekend trying to be your BFF :-) I have a weakness for PRS guitars and gold tops and P-90's and....... The standard PRS scale length splits the difference almost exactly between the shorter Gibson Standard scale length and the longer Fender standard scale length, thus I find them more focused in the low frequencies than a gibson with similar pickups, and with an increased treble response, though no where near a typical fender sound unless you coil split but much more convincing in that way than a Gibson with splitters. I let a PRS hollow body get away from me. sniff.. sniff ...tear......but the reality is, I'm a strat guy first and foremost, its a rainbow of colors and I've learn to keep them in tune and work the tremolo. Teles a close second, which is why that might be the next bari candidate and this time I will go lighter than I have before on your suggestion Per, I want more bending capability and the heavier strings mush up when adding overdrive. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 01:56:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 224DF18345D; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 01:56:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=PTuk4yJ00YG24rL5R9qulLbJHKYOzbNVRPGx5PQJaHY=; b=wYp/LbbDVFaxXJIuqrQtgo+RKvT3SAjfhg5cwl8VnayYbvBmr40xflyDMrbv+Butu1 JTwNDZVBgvtN8HgvL0fxVRJoqxgyr8PK8klcCYhx+SkxnnNfgsR8108Sb4QSTaK4BXT4 CczWi2Xoxr5ewHx34GAl50sFdMHCGAxWoMKkY5wPbsUHM1y64pRgUN1mrIAjxCw9BXtW xxcnyyybU/z5npp9nJN2v5IhkJdxqqUpPRhitNIhm9YCU3JxjKE2LppfZQyaS+1nDkBK iZitx8n3JjFZwu6OTOsJrXE9bNUmhgDb4vbKTt+17vpyofNbsp4wE9Q+Zvz6KhlvBWQE btEQ== Subject: Re: Syncing DIN Sync devices to an EDP References: <1974F985-42FD-41A3-8831-DF6FC4659381@gmail.com> <4FC9CA48.4080306@tiscali.co.uk> <0A0E94DC-D353-4ED6-8118-38DCDB4BD182@gmail.com> From: Philip Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-E2A9625C-DB50-4A7B-8270-D6ABE63CFB8F X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 10:56:19 +0900 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 01:56:30 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-E2A9625C-DB50-4A7B-8270-D6ABE63CFB8F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I will give Beatsync a try when I get home on Tuesday (and doubtless be back= with more questions after that). Sent from my phone On Jun 3, 2012, at 8:24 AM, Marcus Kirby wrote: > Why do you need the tr to set your loop length though? That's what I'm con= fused about. >=20 > On Jun 2, 2012 6:09 PM, "Philip" wrote: > Great info. Thanks! >=20 > As soon as I get back to town, I'll have to play around with Beatsync--tha= t may just be the ticket. I'm really excited about that. >=20 > I suppose I should have used the word WITH instead of "to". I apologize fo= r the confusion. Some of the old devices only send DIN others can send or re= ceive. I'm not really picky about which is happening so long and everything i= s playing together. >=20 >=20 > On Jun 2, 2012, at 5:09 PM, andy butler wrote: >=20 > > hi Philip > > > > philip wrote: > >> Does anyone have any ideas for syncing old roland gear like TB303s and T= R606/808s to an EDP? > > > > here you say roland gear follows EDP > > > >> I don't need anything fancy, just for the EDP to read the BPM or the le= ngth of a measure. > > > > here you say EDP follows roland gear. > > > > > > EDP can sync to incoming midi. > > > > EDP can sync to incoming audio via Beatsync, but you have to tap in loop= length. > > EDP can sync > > EDP can sync to impulse via Beatsync, try it. > > > > EDP, (i think) can sync to impulse for whole bar length via brother sync= , > > and display looptime, > > but I'd have to look up details, you might have to experiment. > > > > > > No idea about what the roland stuff can do, does it send impulse every b= eat? > > (that's what that kind of gear did pre- those ones you mentioned, and la= st time > > I ever played around with them) > > > > andy > > >=20 --Apple-Mail-E2A9625C-DB50-4A7B-8270-D6ABE63CFB8F Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
I will give Beatsync a try when I get home on Tuesday (and doubtless be back with more questions after that).



Sent from my phone

On Jun 3, 2012, at 8:24 AM, Marcus Kirby <marcusloops@gmail.com> wrote:

Why do you need the tr to set your loop length though? That's what I'm confused about.

On Jun 2, 2012 6:09 PM, "Philip" <philip.ojc@gmail.com> wrote:
Great info. Thanks!

As soon as I get back to town, I'll have to play around with Beatsync--that may just be the ticket. I'm really excited about that.

I suppose I should have used the word WITH instead of "to". I apologize for the confusion. Some of the old devices only send DIN others can send or receive. I'm not really picky about which is happening so long and everything is playing together.


On Jun 2, 2012, at 5:09 PM, andy butler wrote:

> hi Philip
>
> philip wrote:
>> Does anyone have any ideas for syncing old roland gear like TB303s and TR606/808s to an EDP?
>
> here you say roland gear follows EDP
>
>> I don't need anything fancy, just for the EDP to read the BPM or the length of a measure.
>
> here you say EDP follows roland gear.
>
>
> EDP can sync to incoming midi.
>
> EDP can sync to incoming audio via Beatsync, but you have to tap in loop length.
> EDP can sync
> EDP can sync to impulse via Beatsync, try it.
>
> EDP, (i think) can sync to impulse for whole bar length via brother sync,
> and display looptime,
> but I'd have to look up details, you might have to experiment.
>
>
> No idea about what the roland stuff can do, does it send impulse every beat?
> (that's what that kind of gear did pre- those ones you mentioned, and last time
> I ever played around with them)
>
> andy
>

--Apple-Mail-E2A9625C-DB50-4A7B-8270-D6ABE63CFB8F-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 09:57:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27EBA18345B; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 09:57:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 777623111/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.18.237/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.18.237 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAIAzy09YbRLt/2dsb2JhbAANOLc/AQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBvVyOC4MWA5pYjRo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,707,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="777623111" Message-ID: <4FCB34FF.3050202@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 10:57:19 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Baryton guitar strings/tuning? References: <5AACD36F-A934-460A-81DD-19C689CA375C@baymoon.com> In-Reply-To: <5AACD36F-A934-460A-81DD-19C689CA375C@baymoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 09:57:08 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > I have always loved the sound of high tension strings and with a > normal guitar scale the best sounding string tension becomes too hard > to bend. William Walker wrote: > I want more bending capability Maybe the way forward is strings with equal tension. I did the maths a while back, and for equal tension for a given scale length:- StringDiameter=k/FrequencyOpenString k: constant (keeping in mind, this won't work well comparing wound to unwound) i.e. if you go up a forth, make string diameter 3/4 as large. (and from G up to B, diameter deceases to 4/5) While many manufacturers conform to that for bass strings(the 105-45 sets), the standard guitar guages give lower tension in the bass. So, pick your standard guages for nice firm clear bass, and the little strings we like to bend feel stiff. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 16:02:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABFB618345B; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:02:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 984490.56763.bm@omp1047.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1338739326; bh=xT+ffEHQH9jU3ThjFV65tJJHGZKlJTYhsXEbpZvdNs8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xlquz/JA9Vwap3+2vZMnZ5xRdtrN4R/9q+VYujn1cQlpogKdwXlrIX9MkX4gX67EUy3Msyr60l0YlS16LM4YfYtHFCrTu2gl+WB+PriezBP9uB1ypcbAU46UCs7OQiDnrezWrrcr6pnIo0wU4gTWOaKJhIZLHcRI6gitfuTJWb4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PEfo0BejalsAvgrnIMvuFG9Y3cI0rm/D2Cz2XrHmtmQGCgQ2quEP7kOWrPz2/sonXY/BmR5xBYjiKXUbhgtjYzirZWRBqaBHHQ5EFAYWdhOLrtbpaFpnBldD60gMFTtp04cyLbQDuKbpqq5zry2Ipabvz+ysx2trTKQVybZjqRs=; X-YMail-OSG: hPtQBG8VM1m00Z.8ULlhENeoLUkorIFN.xNbcuazOQTtHjQ fQX2ErcAascBhwL_O31Fu5IA7EDoWijQnHfXsuJd64jbEdQmaF91swA_MtS0 LZ.zNO3HFtqe8dSKmwbmjyXVjv_XQwCmkU879ruNbIarrdvxwhPqZEp0YQmX eGKoSfKgcQ3ec2D4XSS3ojBySScHSHeukJf_r2GJRFG.X3lEH1pNf3Hv_9V2 PVut.xBpfiT0N_gS85mfBwh4K2CZFsdYaepYxneJyPr3oNzo7z9rQN.5iuFL py83UXF0E1i9ZgCv5GWqXq0CeQl6sURlZRv7wxkWYcWUyGnQ054XiYqgLdrF M_mOUQ4fSvneCvnFzdRLXw8HhV9dZ0bfm9NBjLEaT7oI_9zPiIZEC8nqs5_9 wmqe7oHqFSYfY59lT8ghMJ0cjRzymN1Wc6udkDaBuwsW_KRAda35FsN5FYrY qjQoEGHOs6sPSj8VmmJM3L.qTR1IL7z6RUs4KUu8zwBVAoxKruGCCfHme64h MkRRDPa2C3DURTT.3DSfZEet_ObltEL.U_GBQztH7yvScToY.bWlvbUO0rR7 955HBJpUWBEppKsCcBypO6tNN7_TkyJphUrj7r2M3vED6aVaX.ZbuLhEjUOL Twi.07jHiPD7Jl3KPctlrqsimtJc5XOx93kPWlsrE0uzK.mk- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <8EC13759-EEC6-4DE5-808E-46FA80904C23@baymoon.com> Message-ID: <1338739326.19516.YahooMailNeo@web163805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 09:02:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Reply-To: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: TC Flashback delay/Line 6 M series audio mods To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <8EC13759-EEC6-4DE5-808E-46FA80904C23@baymoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-352802979-1246795240-1338739326=:19516" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:02:08 +0000 (UTC) ---352802979-1246795240-1338739326=:19516 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanx for the info and link Bill!=0AYes please let me know,that way i can m= ake a decision wether i should take it to the states this summer and have i= t done=0Abut i think ill take it anyway because of those loud switches;-)= =0AYes i had my DL4 also moded and didnt regret doing the mod i did notice = the difference,i asked the guy from R3FX if he also did audio mods and he s= aid that is not neccesary and is all exagerated and a marketing thing cause= no one notices the difference=0A=0ASo i hope this guy does it just as good= as the ones that did the mod on my DL4=0Athe one thing i hope somebody wou= ld do is a jack to have a switch to change from efx mode to looper mode,or = at least a a single compact button midi switch that would send cc=B4s!=0A= =0A=A0=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A_____________________= ___________=0A From: William Walker =0ATo: Loopers-= Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 4:30 AM=0ASubje= ct: Re: TC Flashback delay/Line 6 M series audio mods =0A =0A=0AHey Louis, = The issue with the M series stuff as compared to say Eventide or TC product= s is transparency of sound. =A0When i run through my timefactor or flashbac= k I perceive a clearer less colored sound and no drop in volume. With my M = series stuff there is a slight drop in volume, a touch more noise and color= ation in the high frequencies. Its not a huge thing and most people don't n= otice particularly if they keep at least one effect on at a time. I have co= nsidered selling my M-9, but I also realized that in order to achieve some = of the complex =A0synched =A03 delays in a row that i'm found of using I wo= uld need three Eventide Timelines or Strymon Time Factors. When I started t= o add that up, I thought twice and I'm willing to risk the money it takes f= or the audio upgrade to find out, =A0and I definitely will get the switches= changed. I never regretted having my long gone DL-4 modded for audio upgra= de by Keeley, i imagine the person who owns it now is glad too. I had a second one at the time and in a side by side comparison I def= initely=A0heard=A0=A0the difference in noise floor and volume drop. There a= re a number of people doing DL-4 mods these days for both audio and switche= s most notably Vertex, =A0http://www.vertexeffects.com/=0Awho has built boa= rds and customized DL-4's and other effects =A0for guys like Robben Ford , = Nels Kline, Henry Kaiser,and Michael Landau.=A0=0AThe guy I just found =A0J= HV3=A0http://jhv3.squarespace.com/m9-mods/=A0 =A0=A0is the only I have foun= d so far that has tackled the same issues on the M-series, there is a prett= y detailed description on his web site about what he does. The fact is, the= re are a lot of cottage industry guys tweaking and modding all kinds of eff= ects, amps and guitars, to make production =A0factory made gear sound bette= r and/or more like original issue stuff. =A0I'll let you know how it compar= es.=0A=A0bill ---352802979-1246795240-1338739326=:19516 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
thanx for = the info and link Bill!
Yes please let me know,that = way i can make a decision wether i should take it to the states this summer= and have it done
but i think ill take it anyway bec= ause of those loud switches;-)
Yes i had my DL4 also= moded and didnt regret doing the mod i did notice the difference,i asked t= he guy from R3FX if he also did audio mods and he said that is not neccesar= y and is all exagerated and a marketing thing cause no one notices the diff= erence
So i hope this guy does it just as good a= s the ones that did the mod on my DL4
the one thing = i hope somebody would do is a jack to have a switch to change from efx mode= to looper mode,or at least a a single compact button midi switch that would send cc=B4s!
 
http://www.myspac= e.com/luisangulocom
From: William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loop= ers-delight.com
Sent:= Saturday, June 2, 2012 4:30 AM
S= ubject: Re: TC Flashback delay/Line 6 M series audio mods
<= /font>

Hey Louis, The issue with t= he M series stuff as compared to say Eventide or TC products is transparenc= y of sound.  When i run through my timefactor or flashback I perceive = a clearer less colored sound and no drop in volume. With my M series stuff there is a sli= ght drop in volume, a touch more noise and coloration in the high frequenci= es. Its not a huge thing and most people don't notice particularly if they = keep at least one effect on at a time. I have considered selling my M-9, bu= t I also realized that in order to achieve some of the complex  synche= d  3 delays in a row that i'm found of using I would need three Eventi= de Timelines or Strymon Time Factors. When I started to add that up, I thou= ght twice and I'm willing to risk the money it takes for the audio upgrade = to find out,  and I definitely will get the switches changed. I never = regretted having my long gone DL-4 modded for audio upgrade by Keeley, i im= agine the person who owns it now is glad too. I had a second one at the tim= e and in a side by side comparison I definitely heard  the d= ifference in noise floor and volume drop. There are a number of people doing DL-4 mods these days for both audio and switches most notably= Vertex,  http://www.vertexeffects.com/
who has built boards= and customized DL-4's and other effects  for guys like Robben Ford , = Nels Kline, Henry Kaiser,and Michael Landau. 
The guy I just= found  JHV3 http://jhv3.squarespace.com/m9-mods/&nb= sp;   is the only I have found so far that has tackled the same i= ssues on the M-series, there is a pretty detailed description on his web si= te about what he does. The fact is, there are a lot of cottage industry guy= s tweaking and modding all kinds of effects, amps and guitars, to make prod= uction  factory made gear sound better and/or more like original issue= stuff.  I'll let you know how it compares.
 bill


---352802979-1246795240-1338739326=:19516-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 16:06:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20808183452; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:06:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 646384.41022.bm@omp1059.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1338739593; bh=r+dNsQ4pniOkyF6F+oPaLqJenmsLOBvrsxGKXR394s0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fHznYSlARud+DtoJzihxci/y3y2do8EKQfJuTrBoZejVbopLVpOpQk5FkwEL0d0ZQj7YfW2OOmmQjyJu7N2+mONzvdzaSpPodsaaNl8BRYoqjl4CbAtbUX4WlJlx7KGFRA/9LzyrmwMp61U7EMF1SvHbDfystRoknebT8+Qu+qo= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LC6vuWQHc9IXFTrwF85ZqFutRtkl1U7pYoFlWDynBFTWHCQ9llOyvLeEZd3WOLtOQUCgZbfJ9Ikiwal+AnuwaIbtSD4bu2xo88S0MBwDn3PtlY9u/XSPX76Qbkht3vDOmF4odrN9VTYinMKWwz1CTBiNCKf0BlzxP0whdFo+hsg=; X-YMail-OSG: ODXF9r4VM1lKQj3R4pWvArra1gzOayd0Jl.N.pWE_Pc3rwp c3ZvYeSBucwpkHzxIEtW8v9KlodGWqtVsRBDqLTRgYP2atmtK2cO_Y3gAWcV A9hX7KX3DP1hV3NLnK_WWn4ZeoQtejv5Y5538TtEmOMX4XBQHuFDuXNbNpTg XMO8i_bx.5ZK003zGxKtkSyWiPMFzSoslHTDA1rVDu8kL8c6CmBOrAnrKVDs jN.8yFDWLSPBn0lJ3IjPewVyEdlxc7UXz6i.TmqiV6f5lLPlQyhoZHgE6zHS 9smdorsy6cIzPcWcpYc0SBdK7E082oB_awOYN6nH30bnZ8a.tLfYJcT66xqL BehF4C3TQHxAtC8A2lmSpvkrZ081a0yL8bm71JYDBX0keaJzVytYLX9qUkUc rlDAHPlYZGveA.0WAjcjbT_izE57L.mwI_xTYm6HxR14JbfLSHYlQ_4eMv8t TO8HOOjLKQ2POUhvPNLGc3H0JleLoiSiiWZTRHqRHcDgXJCDG7O0l6pnaKLY 9AkamEDaiHoeHa7.Exw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <5AACD36F-A934-460A-81DD-19C689CA375C@baymoon.com> Message-ID: <1338739593.29607.YahooMailNeo@web163802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 09:06:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Reply-To: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Baryton guitar strings/tuning? To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <5AACD36F-A934-460A-81DD-19C689CA375C@baymoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="288713719-1382369160-1338739593=:29607" Resent-Message-ID: <80n8R.A.64H.Lu4yPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:06:35 +0000 (UTC) --288713719-1382369160-1338739593=:29607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes Bill those are after all my two guitar preferences as well=0Athough lat= ely ive been in love with my 5120 Modded Gretsch,i put some TV Jones Magnat= rons and the thing screams very tele twang fat bass and cutting bridge!=0A= =0A=A0=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A_____________________= ___________=0A From: William Walker =0ATo: Loopers-= Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 3:00 AM=0ASubject= : Re: Baryton guitar strings/tuning?=0A =0A> I have three baritones, a Sub-= Sonic Strat=0A=0A=0ADuuude!=A0 you have some sweat guitars!=A0 too bad you = live in the Midwest, I'd be over every weekend trying to be your BFF :-) I = have a weakness for PRS guitars and gold tops and P-90's and.......=0AThe s= tandard PRS scale length splits the difference almost exactly between the s= horter Gibson Standard scale length and the longer Fender standard scale le= ngth, thus I find them more focused in the low frequencies than a gibson wi= th similar pickups, and=A0 with an increased treble response, though no whe= re near a typical fender sound unless you coil split but much more convinci= ng in that way than a Gibson with splitters. I let a PRS hollow body get aw= ay from me.=A0 sniff.. sniff ...tear......but the reality is, I'm a strat g= uy first and foremost, its a rainbow of colors and I've learn to keep them = in tune and work the tremolo. Teles a close second, which is why that might= be the next bari candidate and this time I will go lighter than I have bef= ore on your suggestion Per, I want more bending capability and the heavier = strings mush up when adding overdrive.=0ABill --288713719-1382369160-1338739593=:29607 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes Bill t= hose are after all my two guitar preferences as well
though lately ive been in love with my 5120 Modded Gretsch,i put some TV J= ones Magnatrons and the thing screams very tele twang fat bass and cutting = bridge!
 
http://www.myspace.com/luisangulo= com
From:<= /span> William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =
Sent: Sunday, June 3,= 2012 3:00 AM
Subject: Re: Baryt= on guitar strings/tuning?

> I have three baritone= s, a Sub-Sonic Strat


Duuude!  you have some sweat guitars!=   too bad you live in the Midwest, I'd be over every weekend trying to= be your BFF :-) I have a weakness for PRS guitars and gold tops and P-90's= and.......
The standard PRS scale length splits the difference almost = exactly between the shorter Gibson Standard scale length and the longer Fen= der standard scale length, thus I find them more focused in the low frequen= cies than a gibson with similar pickups, and  with an increased treble= response, though no where near a typical fender sound unless you coil spli= t but much more convincing in that way than a Gibson with splitters. I let = a PRS hollow body get away from me.  sniff.. sniff ...tear......but th= e reality is, I'm a strat guy first and foremost, its a rainbow of colors and I've learn to keep them in tune and work the tremolo. Teles a c= lose second, which is why that might be the next bari candidate and this ti= me I will go lighter than I have before on your suggestion Per, I want more= bending capability and the heavier strings mush up when adding overdrive.<= br> Bill



--288713719-1382369160-1338739593=:29607-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 20:11:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DA0C18345B; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 20:11:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=uU17ueaviwrivp1wwIXgeLqSWkzILpwqwBqjuA2kTcI=; b=kdUjdaP1qlbNOnXoqB4/GmratmAGvzE3cZQ6iXfOKjoDErNZ2qQXJJ0VbMb0FQHWnJ SE/Llin+bRVb7XyxU1foA+9G7NYW7EwYAx0V4tmCKlrMhnv251sLj2+8gN0fR56k9q9e hUY1HGKpMVXle+cz5/CTPvWsh5ps0rUznwU+GXH/oALGPxNIU7vLt/8CoKWl5DP9PBrR ShftjrxcyYndE3FtI6bUd7f6W4uqU0eXlPYDcjvxDyIQiqIM+38ACh8UNbgY4VGJuFQ8 RJjRahiGt3UYFFxPMgN1RemezpYwN4m0ZJa9WkA9yH3ObbkYZGYjaIZuhnb56NFkX9oc YU9w== Message-ID: <4FCBC4FF.7020201@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 22:11:43 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Looper's Delight Mailing List Subject: Re: things not going so well at the Conference References: <20120602185812.12656.35656.levelstar.mail@everest> In-Reply-To: <20120602185812.12656.35656.levelstar.mail@everest> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <--6B0C.A.45B.BU8yPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 20:11:45 +0000 (UTC) Tyler schrieb: > So far, I logged into the conference, and for a long time, no one was there. Mark had a bad connection, so he > couldn't stay. Todd Reynolds stayed awhile, and now there's no one left. What did I do wrong? > Tyler Z > Maybe nobody knew what to expect, and thus prioritized accordingly? (I know it was that in my case). More specifically: I personally didn't attend, because I preferred to visit my home town and meet with friends instead. Something I could have done any other weekend, of course. Your event seemed to me (and sorry if I misunderstood this completely, but maybe some others did as well) that you provided a platform (the conference call service) at a specific time and then asked us to provide our spare time and do looping stuff. On that level of detail, it's really hard to judge what to expect and thus, to trade that off with other means I could spend my time with. Things would have been different if there had been some kind of agenda and maybe some confirmed panelists, so e.g.: Think about some more specific agenda items, and then get people to agree to do something in the conference, which will in turn draw more participants. Say, part 1 would be "getting the maximum out of simple loopers", and then people like Rick Walker or Matt Davignon who simply start demonstrating their secret tricks. Other participants may then ask questions, or offer their own suggestions. Or, if the other participants are shy at first, let the two "panelists" simply start a discussion, encouraging the others to chime in. This would have worked to fill some 45 minutes. Do one or two more of those blocks. Then end the thing with an "open mic" round of performances, with 10 minutes for each one, with two confirmed performers, and then others can perform, and after each performance, you do a Q&A/discussion round on the performance. That way, someone reading about it would know what to expect. He would get info on some specific topics, as well as the possibility to ask questions to some accomplished artists as well as other participants. He would get to listen to some short performance, and get a chance to do one himself and get valuable feedback on it. Just my .02 Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 23:12:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15F3718345E; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 23:12:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 23:12:04 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:34:00 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Saturday in Cambridge MA, Doctor T, Junko Fujiwara, Glynis Lomon, Melanie Howell-Brooks, Laurence Cook Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 23:12:04 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, Visual Music LIVE continues at Outpost 186 on Saturday at 8 PM. -- I'll be doing video improvisations with two of the best and wildest cellists in the Boston area, Glynis Lomon will do an opening solo set on cello and voice, followed by a trio put together by Junko Fujiwara, consisting of Melanie Howell-Brooks - saxes / Junko Fujiwara (Simons) - cello/Laurence Cook - drums I'll be projecting during both sets. My projections are produced by mixing multiple DVD sources with a video mixer and effects processor. The sources consist of computer-manipulated original material derived from my still photography and videography. The original subject matter is usually recognizable, but sometimes processed to complete abstraction. Sometimes the projections and music respond directly to each other -- sometimes they simply co-exist. Outpost 186, 186 Hampshire St (in the back), near Inman Square, Cambridge MA Suggested donation, $10 617.876.0860 ~ all ages ~ http://www.zeitgeist-outpost.org Many of my finished video pieces (both studio and live) can be seen at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld. Those of you who attend or perform at events at Outpost 186 may find my photo essay "Improvisations from an Outpost" http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/sets/72157624670849749/ to be of interest, -- "I rang a silent bell ..." -- Robert Hunter "... cast your dancing spell my way, I promise to go under it" -- Bob Dylan My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 23:36:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40A8818345A; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 23:36:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 611182.16491.bm@omp1024.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1338766581; bh=yiGMZ1DB+MLyQBAM8thTvcPQOZ87A+FtObDNIMB3htY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XkGkINWp4E1pRJCrdHO2V6UwOXf8V3HoKrAhPAnJQFc+Rxh7UxUPfQcbE0ruSqXH7/UFuOTIlfoYFIELh2saDhP4WD7jMr8Wg7EaeGI78MeOvaDrR5qgBfVDKHt6FQw4t10SWUJ4EwbQcfrikY2cDkrP4Pc4q+wRx3X2N8q4jDQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=c9T56e1RmqCojQcO4Bi6ImL6t9nF1aXIBMqt0HfUlnpvrHIFAyOaNWffCKMVMM0w6quZ9TO7ELl8+a1Utig1SfYTBdEm6llrlIeCTnBDflBSjkDuZtsDYjEYwgD6H6jWv/liOENADUz4k0YKTmDAIFgzGQaRMeLSgknJeOfwq9Y=; X-YMail-OSG: jXZod4MVM1mgf2Jff.MNgIgkBJfZOUtmlEPTb9NWTGezaLt qZFpVWflUFabMaIQMqGKZm1hyC9x5U3H_Khjj0K7eKwWlmSd5zOjlFP2VE5k 3jyqD.rpsorBkSXCzUsMcBziouca2r29JFBXN_PffiOxkqml4LV4z838HThw HBt65Qs52ORuJk7GRucMmxcj9KFxn0UJYQLhSoV6AoZ8Mjcr79GvJdoIGPHD Zo0ur825jdrOn7Lysy14oChIq6_1UVB6bzb8yT3BC06feoi.58_NDESR_Ngt WbS3848z1iPCmCNuAD2cRauz3wdo3exWYTc8iNKqdN0a7RmpRkeGUZXRYI0j 2YHYehll4Gnuub5mDouj5nAUhZzqS2m_LxDVvKbmK2K_ZQ6eAduDci3R3Bbr rjQvGlYGLqOGxG_jPMb61aduAvNhlKDYzgm00TnzfWyNoBadGzZTAphMD3E1 Xc27nSba44i3DvxnVw50QU_Kp18Izfn7tHE2kWcnIHCn0sC6pKawnSLQACpN 8xtoDn.v7UHFn6VhksnDEm0fI4sknBaRYM7ZpbTbmmHr5L5HBOkhssqJCL1E c20Ru9Uv_bnRtjDEy2q9FHcj782vG3Eli4.ACFFHDJw43i7t1 X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <20120602185812.12656.35656.levelstar.mail@everest> <4FCBC4FF.7020201@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <1338766581.51644.YahooMailNeo@web162706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:36:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Elmer Fuddski Reply-To: Elmer Fuddski Subject: Re: things not going so well at the Conference To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <4FCBC4FF.7020201@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1963244382-916335978-1338766581=:51644" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 23:36:22 +0000 (UTC) ---1963244382-916335978-1338766581=:51644 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Then, after following the professor's sage advice, you may have as many as = FOUR people attending! :)=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________= =0A From: Rainer Straschill =0ATo: Looper's Delig= ht Mailing List =0ASent: Sunday, June= 3, 2012 4:11 PM=0ASubject: Re: things not going so well at the Conference= =0A =0ATyler schrieb:=0A> So far, I logged into the conference, and for a = long time, no one was there. Mark had a bad connection, so he couldn't stay= . Todd Reynolds stayed awhile, and now there's no one left. What did I do w= rong?=0A> Tyler Z=0A>=A0 =0AMaybe nobody knew what to expect, and thus prio= ritized accordingly? (I know it was that in my case).=0A=0AMore specificall= y:=0AI personally didn't attend, because I preferred to visit my home town = and meet with friends instead. Something I could have done any other weeken= d, of course.=0AYour event seemed to me (and sorry if I misunderstood this = completely, but maybe some others did as well) that you provided a platform= (the conference call service) at a specific time and then asked us to prov= ide our spare time and do looping stuff.=0A=0AOn that level of detail, it's= really hard to judge what to expect and thus, to trade that off with other= means I could spend my time with.=0AThings would have been different if th= ere had been some kind of agenda and maybe some confirmed panelists, so e.g= .:=0A=0AThink about some more specific agenda items, and then get people to= agree to do something in the conference, which will in turn draw more part= icipants.=0ASay, part 1 would be "getting the maximum out of simple loopers= ", and then people like Rick Walker or Matt Davignon who simply start demon= strating their secret tricks. Other participants may then ask questions, or= offer their own suggestions. Or, if the other participants are shy at firs= t, let the two "panelists" simply start a discussion, encouraging the other= s to chime in. This would have worked to fill some 45 minutes.=0ADo one or = two more of those blocks. Then end the thing with an "open mic" round of pe= rformances, with 10 minutes for each one, with two confirmed performers, an= d then others can perform, and after each performance, you do a Q&A/discuss= ion round on the performance.=0A=0AThat way, someone reading about it would= know what to expect. He would get info on some specific topics, as well as= the possibility to ask questions to some accomplished artists as well as o= ther participants. He would get to listen to some short performance, and ge= t a chance to do one himself and get valuable feedback on it.=0A=0AJust my = .02=0A=0A=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Rainer=0A=0A-- http://moinlabs.de=0AFollow= me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs ---1963244382-916335978-1338766581=:51644 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Then= , after following the professor's sage advice, you may have as many as FOUR= people attending! :)

From: Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com>
To: Looper's Delight Mailing List <L= oopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: things not going so well at th= e Conference

=0ATyler schrieb:
> So far, I log= ged into the conference, and for a long time, no one was there. Mark had a = bad connection, so he couldn't stay. Todd Reynolds stayed awhile, and now t= here's no one left. What did I do wrong?
> Tyler Z
>  Maybe nobody knew what to expect, and thus prioritized accordingly? (I kno= w it was that in my case).

More specifically:
I personally didn't= attend, because I preferred to visit my home town and meet with friends in= stead. Something I could have done any other weekend, of course.
Your ev= ent seemed to me (and sorry if I misunderstood this completely, but maybe s= ome others did as well) that you provided a platform (the conference call s= ervice) at a specific time and then asked us to provide our spare time and = do looping stuff.

On that level of detail, it's really hard to judge= what to expect and thus, to trade that off with other means I could spend = my time with.
Things would have been different if there had been some kind of agenda and maybe some c= onfirmed panelists, so e.g.:

Think about some more specific agenda i= tems, and then get people to agree to do something in the conference, which= will in turn draw more participants.
Say, part 1 would be "getting the = maximum out of simple loopers", and then people like Rick Walker or Matt Da= vignon who simply start demonstrating their secret tricks. Other participan= ts may then ask questions, or offer their own suggestions. Or, if the other= participants are shy at first, let the two "panelists" simply start a disc= ussion, encouraging the others to chime in. This would have worked to fill = some 45 minutes.
Do one or two more of those blocks. Then end the thing = with an "open mic" round of performances, with 10 minutes for each one, wit= h two confirmed performers, and then others can perform, and after each per= formance, you do a Q&A/discussion round on the performance.

That way, someone reading about it would know what to = expect. He would get info on some specific topics, as well as the possibili= ty to ask questions to some accomplished artists as well as other participa= nts. He would get to listen to some short performance, and get a chance to = do one himself and get valuable feedback on it.

Just my .02

&= nbsp;           Rainer

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---1963244382-916335978-1338766581=:51644-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 00:13:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D28818345D; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 00:13:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=+UCuYIPmRVTGFvO85kRCHpJM7EJccAVkWo0B8TQjVyo=; b=PjjCA4K7qv2oJ103JwuuX/ICD+5Od4wMZriclkU039yYoeCahPQTeNdsjcQ3VYoX2t u3TmV92DTR1/ovVaGCwE4hEJ5wiBDujRCYAsLqVJvnmYVQZUiNiBpZpLhGZXoKMRgVQK qBQp9DKvb3QJS05melT6+T/HwCuzBHGL7a4gCcC2Hr/mYsIZ+cbT302YEAgtTB9DV9FP sWA4qE12cYsivdpBhyCPiYTmKacaMufNcObQQ7zeijg9xsUS7KdrfVaO2cVaExvwpoaR RYEsJKP2vgUjWrUctJ3hQ7GroAD7+mnobEjRNcdBJ3Qcqg/ea//O5drri1ATKm3zUt+A LbsA== References: <20120602185812.12656.35656.levelstar.mail@everest> <4FCBC4FF.7020201@googlemail.com> <1338766581.51644.YahooMailNeo@web162706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1338766581.51644.YahooMailNeo@web162706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-0F48EC93-F595-4355-B072-39CAF200F7A9 Message-Id: Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) From: Jim Goodin Subject: Re: things not going so well at the Conference Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 20:13:13 -0400 To: Elmer Fuddski Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 00:13:19 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-0F48EC93-F595-4355-B072-39CAF200F7A9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Geminii! That's tad cold. I do think that Rainer made some great points an= d he like I has done a great deal of live webcasts which though not same, do= utilize same ideas, needs. Honestly I did not see this just as we all get together to talk about loopin= g being something anyone would be all that excited about. I like many have a= ttending several years of the loopfests which though are in person, do kinde= r that spirit of exchange which is something I thinker Tyler hoped for. I d= on't know how long you have been around this community, I don't know you Tyl= er, maybe you have been here a while but I think for something as you hoped y= ou really Ned to know the community and to offer things Rainer talked about.= Rick I bet you have some thoughts, so e light to shed on this? Jim Get Tips Across the Waters for your iDevice, http://iTunes.apple.com/us/app/= tips-across-the-waters/id474128076?=3Dmt8 On Jun 3, 2012, at 7:36 PM, Elmer Fuddski wrote: > Then, after following the professor's sage advice, you may have as many as= FOUR people attending! :) >=20 > From: Rainer Straschill > To: Looper's Delight Mailing List =20= > Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 4:11 PM > Subject: Re: things not going so well at the Conference >=20 > Tyler schrieb: > > So far, I logged into the conference, and for a long time, no one was th= ere. Mark had a bad connection, so he couldn't stay. Todd Reynolds stayed aw= hile, and now there's no one left. What did I do wrong? > > Tyler Z > > =20 > Maybe nobody knew what to expect, and thus prioritized accordingly? (I kno= w it was that in my case). >=20 > More specifically: > I personally didn't attend, because I preferred to visit my home town and m= eet with friends instead. Something I could have done any other weekend, of c= ourse. > Your event seemed to me (and sorry if I misunderstood this completely, but= maybe some others did as well) that you provided a platform (the conference= call service) at a specific time and then asked us to provide our spare tim= e and do looping stuff. >=20 > On that level of detail, it's really hard to judge what to expect and thus= , to trade that off with other means I could spend my time with. > Things would have been different if there had been some kind of agenda and= maybe some confirmed panelists, so e.g.: >=20 > Think about some more specific agenda items, and then get people to agree t= o do something in the conference, which will in turn draw more participants.= > Say, part 1 would be "getting the maximum out of simple loopers", and then= people like Rick Walker or Matt Davignon who simply start demonstrating the= ir secret tricks. Other participants may then ask questions, or offer their o= wn suggestions. Or, if the other participants are shy at first, let the two "= panelists" simply start a discussion, encouraging the others to chime in. Th= is would have worked to fill some 45 minutes. > Do one or two more of those blocks. Then end the thing with an "open mic" r= ound of performances, with 10 minutes for each one, with two confirmed perfo= rmers, and then others can perform, and after each performance, you do a Q&A= /discussion round on the performance. >=20 > That way, someone reading about it would know what to expect. He would get= info on some specific topics, as well as the possibility to ask questions t= o some accomplished artists as well as other participants. He would get to l= isten to some short performance, and get a chance to do one himself and get v= aluable feedback on it. >=20 > Just my .02 >=20 > Rainer >=20 > -- http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-0F48EC93-F595-4355-B072-39CAF200F7A9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Geminii!  That's tad c= old.  I do think that Rainer made some great points and he like I has d= one a great deal of live webcasts which though not same, do utilize same ide= as, needs.

Honestly I did not see this just as we a= ll get together to talk about looping being something anyone would be all th= at excited about.  I like many have attending several years of the loop= fests which though are in person, do kinder that spirit of exchange which is= something I thinker Tyler hoped for.  I don't know how long you have b= een around this community, I don't know you Tyler, maybe you have been here a= while but I think for something as you hoped you really Ned to know the com= munity and to offer things Rainer talked about.

Ric= k I bet you have some thoughts, so e light to shed on this?

Jim

Get Tips Across the Waters for your iDevice, ht= tp://iTunes.apple.com/us/app/tips-across-the-waters/id474128076?=3Dmt8

On Jun 3, 2012, at 7:36 PM, Elmer Fuddski <jakebrakesrule@yahoo.com> wrote:

Then, after following the professor's sage advic= e, you may have as many as FOUR people attending! :)

From: Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com>
To: Looper's Delight Mailing List <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight= .com>
Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: things not going so well at the C= onference

Tyler schrieb:
> So far, I logged into the conference, and for a long t= ime, no one was there. Mark had a bad connection, so he couldn't stay. Todd R= eynolds stayed awhile, and now there's no one left. What did I do wrong?
= > Tyler Z
> 
Maybe nobody knew what to expect, and thus p= rioritized accordingly? (I know it was that in my case).

More specifi= cally:
I personally didn't attend, because I preferred to visit my home t= own and meet with friends instead. Something I could have done any other wee= kend, of course.
Your event seemed to me (and sorry if I misunderstood th= is completely, but maybe some others did as well) that you provided a platfo= rm (the conference call service) at a specific time and then asked us to pro= vide our spare time and do looping stuff.

On that level of detail, it= 's really hard to judge what to expect and thus, to trade that off with othe= r means I could spend my time with.
Things would have been different if there had been some kind of agenda and maybe some co= nfirmed panelists, so e.g.:

Think about some more specific agenda ite= ms, and then get people to agree to do something in the conference, which wi= ll in turn draw more participants.
Say, part 1 would be "getting the maxi= mum out of simple loopers", and then people like Rick Walker or Matt Davigno= n who simply start demonstrating their secret tricks. Other participants may= then ask questions, or offer their own suggestions. Or, if the other partic= ipants are shy at first, let the two "panelists" simply start a discussion, e= ncouraging the others to chime in. This would have worked to fill some 45 mi= nutes.
Do one or two more of those blocks. Then end the thing with an "op= en mic" round of performances, with 10 minutes for each one, with two confir= med performers, and then others can perform, and after each performance, you= do a Q&A/discussion round on the performance.

That way, someone reading about it would know what to e= xpect. He would get info on some specific topics, as well as the possibility= to ask questions to some accomplished artists as well as other participants= . He would get to listen to some short performance, and get a chance to do o= ne himself and get valuable feedback on it.

Just my .02

 =           Rainer

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= --Apple-Mail-0F48EC93-F595-4355-B072-39CAF200F7A9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 00:15:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A39B18345D; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 00:15:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FCBFE06.5010507@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:15:02 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: Re: things not going so well at the Conference References: <4FCBC4FF.7020201@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <4FCBC4FF.7020201@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 00:15:10 +0000 (UTC) Some excellent suggestions, Rainer, thanks! On 6/3/12 1:11 PM, Rainer Straschill wrote: Think about some more specific agenda items, and then get people to agree to do something in the conference, which will in turn draw more participants. Say, part 1 would be "getting the maximum out of simple loopers", and then people like Rick Walker or Matt Davignon who simply start demonstrating their secret tricks. Other participants may then ask questions, or offer their own suggestions. Or, if the other participants are shy at first, let the two "panelists" simply start a discussion, encouraging the others to chime in. This would have worked to fill some 45 minutes. Do one or two more of those blocks. Then end the thing with an "open mic" round of performances, with 10 minutes for each one, with two confirmed performers, and then others can perform, and after each performance, you do a Q&A/discussion round on the performanc.That way, someone reading about it would know what to expect. He would get info on some specific topics, as well as the possibility to ask questions to some accomplished artists as well as other participants. He would get to listen to some short performance, and get a chance to do one himself and get valuable feedback on it. 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Mark had a bad connection, so he couldn't stay. Todd Reynol= ds stayed awhile, and now there's no one left. What did I do wrong?=0A>> Ty= ler Z=0A>>=A0 =0A>Maybe nobody knew what to expect, and thus prioritized ac= cordingly? (I know it was that in my case).=0A>=0A>More specifically:=0A>I = personally didn't attend, because I preferred to visit my home town and mee= t with friends instead. Something I could have done any other weekend, of c= ourse.=0A>Your event seemed to me (and sorry if I misunderstood this comple= tely, but maybe some others did as well) that you provided a platform (the = conference call service) at a specific time and then asked us to provide ou= r spare time and do looping stuff.=0A>=0A>On that level of detail, it's rea= lly hard to judge what to expect and thus, to trade that off with other mea= ns I could spend my time with.=0A>Things would=0A have been different if th= ere had been some kind of agenda and maybe some confirmed panelists, so e.g= .:=0A>=0A>Think about some more specific agenda items, and then get people = to agree to do something in the conference, which will in turn draw more pa= rticipants.=0A>Say, part 1 would be "getting the maximum out of simple loop= ers", and then people like Rick Walker or Matt Davignon who simply start de= monstrating their secret tricks. Other participants may then ask questions,= or offer their own suggestions. Or, if the other participants are shy at f= irst, let the two "panelists" simply start a discussion, encouraging the ot= hers to chime in. This would have worked to fill some 45 minutes.=0A>Do one= or two more of those blocks. Then end the thing with an "open mic" round o= f performances, with 10 minutes for each one, with two confirmed performers= , and then others can perform, and after each performance, you do a Q&A/dis= cussion round on the=0A performance.=0A>=0A>That way, someone reading about= it would know what to expect. He would get info on some specific topics, a= s well as the possibility to ask questions to some accomplished artists as = well as other participants. He would get to listen to some short performanc= e, and get a chance to do one himself and get valuable feedback on it.=0A>= =0A>Just my .02=0A>=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Rainer=0A>=0A>-- http://moin= labs.de=0A>Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A= > ---250207800-1462953914-1338769692=:54237 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
(Cold)
 
Not as cold as the looper= s who blew off the kid.

From: Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com>
To: Elmer Fuddski <jakebrakesrule@yahoo.com>=
Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.= com>
Sent: Sunday,= June 3, 2012 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: things not going so well at the Conference
=
=0A
Geminii!  That's tad cold. &= nbsp;I do think that Rainer made some great points and he like I has done a= great deal of live webcasts which though not same, do utilize same ideas, = needs.

Honestly I did not see this just as we all = get together to talk about looping being something anyone would be all that= excited about.  I like many have attending several years of the loopf= ests which though are in person, do kinder that spirit of exchange which is= something I thinker Tyler hoped for.  I don't know how long you have = been around this community, I don't know you Tyler, maybe you have been her= e a while but I think for something as you hoped you really Ned to know the= community and to offer things Rainer talked about.

Rick I bet you have some thoughts, so e light to shed on this?
=
Jim

Get Tips Across the Waters for your iDevice, http://iTunes.apple.com/us/app/tips-across-the-waters/id474128076?=3Dmt8

On Jun 3, 2012, at 7:36 PM, Elmer Fuddski <jakebrakesrule@yahoo.com> wrote:
=
Then, after= following the professor's sage advice, you may have as many as FOUR people= attending! :)

From: Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com>
To: Looper's Delight Mailing List <= Loope= rs-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: things not going so well at the= Conference

=0ATyler schrieb:
> So far, I logg= ed into the conference, and for a long time, no one was there. Mark had a b= ad connection, so he couldn't stay. Todd Reynolds stayed awhile, and now th= ere's no one left. What did I do wrong?
> Tyler Z
> 
= Maybe nobody knew what to expect, and thus prioritized accordingly? (I know= it was that in my case).

More specifically:
I personally didn't = attend, because I preferred to visit my home town and meet with friends ins= tead. Something I could have done any other weekend, of course.
Your eve= nt seemed to me (and sorry if I misunderstood this completely, but maybe so= me others did as well) that you provided a platform (the conference call se= rvice) at a specific time and then asked us to provide our spare time and d= o looping stuff.

On that level of detail, it's really hard to judge = what to expect and thus, to trade that off with other means I could spend m= y time with.
Things would=0A have been different if there had been some = kind of agenda and maybe some confirmed panelists, so e.g.:

Think ab= out some more specific agenda items, and then get people to agree to do som= ething in the conference, which will in turn draw more participants.
Say= , part 1 would be "getting the maximum out of simple loopers", and then peo= ple like Rick Walker or Matt Davignon who simply start demonstrating their = secret tricks. Other participants may then ask questions, or offer their ow= n suggestions. Or, if the other participants are shy at first, let the two = "panelists" simply start a discussion, encouraging the others to chime in. = This would have worked to fill some 45 minutes.
Do one or two more of th= ose blocks. Then end the thing with an "open mic" round of performances, wi= th 10 minutes for each one, with two confirmed performers, and then others = can perform, and after each performance, you do a Q&A/discussion round = on the=0A performance.

That way, someone reading about it would know= what to expect. He would get info on some specific topics, as well as the = possibility to ask questions to some accomplished artists as well as other = participants. He would get to listen to some short performance, and get a c= hance to do one himself and get valuable feedback on it.

Just my .02=

            Rainer

-- http://m= oinlabs.de
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---250207800-1462953914-1338769692=:54237-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 03:02:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E52E18345D; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 03:02:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3609 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 03:02:41 UTC Subject: Re: things not going so well at the Conference References: <20120602185812.12656.35656.levelstar.mail@everest> <4FCBC4FF.7020201@googlemail.com> From: Peter Koniuto Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: <4FCBC4FF.7020201@googlemail.com> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 22:02:26 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - lava.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - redsunsoundroom.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 03:02:41 +0000 (UTC) I would attend something Rainer is describing, even if a large part of the a= genda does not pertain to my approach. I would NEVER attend an open forum wi= th no agenda or structure in mind, no matter how cool the tool for communica= ting. The invitation to communicate is great, but i'd need to know what the c= ommunication was about (looping itself is too big an umbrella to book non-di= scretionary time), and even have a guarantee as to who some of the key parti= cipants will be. You know what they say: if this time was a failure, next time FAIL BETTER. Peter =E2=80=94 =E2=80=94 =E2=80=94 =E2=80=94 =E2=80=94 =E2=80=94 =E2=80=94 =E2=80= =94 =E2=80=94 Peter Koniuto Creative Recordist Red Sun Soundroom Niskayuna, NY Music's Inside... www.RedSunSoundroom.com On Jun 3, 2012, at 4:11 PM, Rainer Straschill wro= te: > Tyler schrieb: >> So far, I logged into the conference, and for a long time, no one was the= re. Mark had a bad connection, so he couldn't stay. Todd Reynolds stayed awh= ile, and now there's no one left. What did I do wrong? >> Tyler Z >> =20 > Maybe nobody knew what to expect, and thus prioritized accordingly? (I kno= w it was that in my case). >=20 > More specifically: > I personally didn't attend, because I preferred to visit my home town and m= eet with friends instead. Something I could have done any other weekend, of c= ourse. > Your event seemed to me (and sorry if I misunderstood this completely, but= maybe some others did as well) that you provided a platform (the conference= call service) at a specific time and then asked us to provide our spare tim= e and do looping stuff. >=20 > On that level of detail, it's really hard to judge what to expect and thus= , to trade that off with other means I could spend my time with. > Things would have been different if there had been some kind of agenda and= maybe some confirmed panelists, so e.g.: >=20 > Think about some more specific agenda items, and then get people to agree t= o do something in the conference, which will in turn draw more participants.= > Say, part 1 would be "getting the maximum out of simple loopers", and then= people like Rick Walker or Matt Davignon who simply start demonstrating the= ir secret tricks. Other participants may then ask questions, or offer their o= wn suggestions. Or, if the other participants are shy at first, let the two "= panelists" simply start a discussion, encouraging the others to chime in. Th= is would have worked to fill some 45 minutes. > Do one or two more of those blocks. Then end the thing with an "open mic" r= ound of performances, with 10 minutes for each one, with two confirmed perfo= rmers, and then others can perform, and after each performance, you do a Q&A= /discussion round on the performance. >=20 > That way, someone reading about it would know what to expect. He would get= info on some specific topics, as well as the possibility to ask questions t= o some accomplished artists as well as other participants. He would get to l= isten to some short performance, and get a chance to do one himself and get v= aluable feedback on it. >=20 > Just my .02 >=20 > Rainer >=20 > --=20 > http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 03:30:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A42A18345A; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 03:30:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1392 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 03:30:29 UTC X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=xe1kXdDUpMZg26Ozmtu6NDPbLQj4YktJcmTKvqO5QKc= c=1 sm=2 a=-M5wS8DhlJAA:10 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=OUXYneDTAAAA:8 a=t-IPkPogAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=mK_AVkanAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=Cp0_AXTNAAAA:8 a=JqEG_dyiAAAA:8 a=vUeLQi6mATYFj63j4SwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=hfMOuKFDpboA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=053Au2P4wpAA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=9xyTavCNlvEA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=4sR568UzQ_8kMGlm:21 a=oOlSIK0pKn6WjjnO:21 a=wBZaQ6ueDAPjdEcpD4kA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=kxlwQYSBe-oA:10 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 154.5.112.152 From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--305222116 Subject: Re: things not going so well at the Conference Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 20:07:10 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20120602185812.12656.35656.levelstar.mail@everest> <4FCBC4FF.7020201@googlemail.com> <1338766581.51644.YahooMailNeo@web162706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <3F910B40-CDA4-43EB-AABE-263BD6D502F4@glasswing.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 03:30:30 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--305222116 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I suspect in part it's because it's June and folks wanna be outside, at = festivals, doing gardening, riding bikes, emerging from the dark = eggshell of winter. =20 My wife does a community dancing event (Dances of Universal Peace) that = has great attendance all fall/winter but, once the weather gets nice, it = drops off and ultimately dwindles to zip. Took her a frustrating while = to figure out the indoor outdoor thing. =20 I would guess it's like any magic hat! You have to tinker with it for a = while before the rabbit emerges.=20 Improve the promo. Get word out sooner and talk it up, exchange ideas = with the old hand loopers. Engage them. Do it at the right time of year. Be a promoter. It's a community event. =20 Never give up. Now, I've tried a few of these phone things. One where one of my = favorite poets was talking. It was a snore fest, and I love him to bits = (Wendell Berry). Too formal, not enough flesh face time for me. If it was me, I'd reconsider the format. Talk w some of these tech = savvy loopies and pick their brains for a more live feeling, engaging = event. Maybe with video? A multi user Skype event? Is there such a = thing? I don't know. =20 This is an opportunity for you to learn. Don't give up, young Edison. = The lightbulb's just around the corner! richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.goodnaturefarms.com On Jun 3, 2012, at 5:13 PM, Jim Goodin wrote: > Geminii! That's tad cold. I do think that Rainer made some great = points and he like I has done a great deal of live webcasts which though = not same, do utilize same ideas, needs. >=20 > Honestly I did not see this just as we all get together to talk about = looping being something anyone would be all that excited about. I like = many have attending several years of the loopfests which though are in = person, do kinder that spirit of exchange which is something I thinker = Tyler hoped for. I don't know how long you have been around this = community, I don't know you Tyler, maybe you have been here a while but = I think for something as you hoped you really Ned to know the community = and to offer things Rainer talked about. >=20 > Rick I bet you have some thoughts, so e light to shed on this? >=20 > Jim >=20 > Get Tips Across the Waters for your iDevice, = http://iTunes.apple.com/us/app/tips-across-the-waters/id474128076?=3Dmt8 >=20 > On Jun 3, 2012, at 7:36 PM, Elmer Fuddski = wrote: >=20 >> Then, after following the professor's sage advice, you may have as = many as FOUR people attending! :) >>=20 >> From: Rainer Straschill >> To: Looper's Delight Mailing List = =20 >> Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 4:11 PM >> Subject: Re: things not going so well at the Conference >>=20 >> Tyler schrieb: >> > So far, I logged into the conference, and for a long time, no one = was there. Mark had a bad connection, so he couldn't stay. Todd Reynolds = stayed awhile, and now there's no one left. What did I do wrong? >> > Tyler Z >> > =20 >> Maybe nobody knew what to expect, and thus prioritized accordingly? = (I know it was that in my case). >>=20 >> More specifically: >> I personally didn't attend, because I preferred to visit my home town = and meet with friends instead. Something I could have done any other = weekend, of course. >> Your event seemed to me (and sorry if I misunderstood this = completely, but maybe some others did as well) that you provided a = platform (the conference call service) at a specific time and then asked = us to provide our spare time and do looping stuff. >>=20 >> On that level of detail, it's really hard to judge what to expect and = thus, to trade that off with other means I could spend my time with. >> Things would have been different if there had been some kind of = agenda and maybe some confirmed panelists, so e.g.: >>=20 >> Think about some more specific agenda items, and then get people to = agree to do something in the conference, which will in turn draw more = participants. >> Say, part 1 would be "getting the maximum out of simple loopers", and = then people like Rick Walker or Matt Davignon who simply start = demonstrating their secret tricks. Other participants may then ask = questions, or offer their own suggestions. Or, if the other participants = are shy at first, let the two "panelists" simply start a discussion, = encouraging the others to chime in. This would have worked to fill some = 45 minutes. >> Do one or two more of those blocks. Then end the thing with an "open = mic" round of performances, with 10 minutes for each one, with two = confirmed performers, and then others can perform, and after each = performance, you do a Q&A/discussion round on the performance. >>=20 >> That way, someone reading about it would know what to expect. He = would get info on some specific topics, as well as the possibility to = ask questions to some accomplished artists as well as other = participants. He would get to listen to some short performance, and get = a chance to do one himself and get valuable feedback on it. >>=20 >> Just my .02 >>=20 >> Rainer >>=20 >> -- http://moinlabs.de >> Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 --Apple-Mail-2--305222116 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I = suspect in part it's because it's June and folks wanna be outside, at = festivals, doing gardening, riding bikes, emerging from the dark = eggshell of winter.  

My wife does a community = dancing event (Dances of Universal Peace) that has great attendance all = fall/winter but, once the weather gets nice, it drops off and ultimately = dwindles to zip.  Took her a frustrating while to figure out the = indoor outdoor thing.  

I would guess it's like = any magic hat!  You have to tinker with it for a while before the = rabbit emerges. 

Improve the promo. =  Get word out sooner and talk it up, exchange ideas with the old = hand loopers.  Engage them.
Do it at the right time of = year.
Be a promoter.

It's a community = event.   

Never give = up.

Now, I've tried a few of these phone = things.  One where one of my favorite poets was talking.  It = was a snore fest, and I love him to bits (Wendell Berry).  Too = formal, not enough flesh face time for me.

If = it was me, I'd reconsider the format.  Talk w some of these tech = savvy loopies and pick their brains for a more live feeling, engaging = event.  Maybe with video?  A multi user Skype event?  Is = there such a thing?  I don't know. =  

This is an opportunity for you to learn. =  Don't give up, young Edison.  The lightbulb's just around the = corner!

richard sales
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38">www.richardsales.com
= www.goodnaturefarms.com=











On Jun 3, 2012, at 5:13 PM, Jim Goodin wrote:

Geminii!  That's tad cold.  I do = think that Rainer made some great points and he like I has done a great = deal of live webcasts which though not same, do utilize same ideas, = needs.

Honestly I did not see this just as we = all get together to talk about looping being something anyone would be = all that excited about.  I like many have attending several years = of the loopfests which though are in person, do kinder that spirit of = exchange which is something I thinker Tyler hoped for.  I don't = know how long you have been around this community, I don't know you = Tyler, maybe you have been here a while but I think for something as you = hoped you really Ned to know the community and to offer things Rainer = talked about.

Rick I bet you have some = thoughts, so e light to shed on = this?

Jim

Get Tips Across the Waters for = your iDevice, http://iTunes.apple.com/us/app/tips-across-the-waters/id474128076?= =3Dmt8

On Jun 3, 2012, at 7:36 PM, Elmer Fuddski = <jakebrakesrule@yahoo.com> = wrote:

Then, after = following the professor's sage advice, you may have as many as FOUR = people attending! :)

= From: Rainer Straschill = <moinsound@googlemail.com><= br> To: Looper's = Delight Mailing List <Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: things not going so = well at the Conference

Tyler schrieb:
> So far, I logged into the conference, and for a = long time, no one was there. Mark had a bad connection, so he couldn't = stay. Todd Reynolds stayed awhile, and now there's no one left. What did = I do wrong?
> Tyler Z
> 
Maybe nobody knew what to = expect, and thus prioritized accordingly? (I know it was that in my = case).

More specifically:
I personally didn't attend, because = I preferred to visit my home town and meet with friends instead. = Something I could have done any other weekend, of course.
Your event = seemed to me (and sorry if I misunderstood this completely, but maybe = some others did as well) that you provided a platform (the conference = call service) at a specific time and then asked us to provide our spare = time and do looping stuff.

On that level of detail, it's really = hard to judge what to expect and thus, to trade that off with other = means I could spend my time with.
Things would have been different if there had been some kind of agenda and maybe = some confirmed panelists, so e.g.:

Think about some more specific = agenda items, and then get people to agree to do something in the = conference, which will in turn draw more participants.
Say, part 1 = would be "getting the maximum out of simple loopers", and then people = like Rick Walker or Matt Davignon who simply start demonstrating their = secret tricks. Other participants may then ask questions, or offer their = own suggestions. Or, if the other participants are shy at first, let the = two "panelists" simply start a discussion, encouraging the others to = chime in. This would have worked to fill some 45 minutes.
Do one or = two more of those blocks. Then end the thing with an "open mic" round of = performances, with 10 minutes for each one, with two confirmed = performers, and then others can perform, and after each performance, you = do a Q&A/discussion round on the performance.

That way, someone reading about it would know what = to expect. He would get info on some specific topics, as well as the = possibility to ask questions to some accomplished artists as well as = other participants. He would get to listen to some short performance, = and get a chance to do one himself and get valuable feedback on = it.

Just my .02

            = Rainer

-- http://moinlabs.de
Follow me on = twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs


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<= /html>= --Apple-Mail-2--305222116-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 03:46:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1293818345E; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 03:46:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Loren Claypool Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1B5CC1B6-53D3-4933-95AA-F7E7988236FD" Subject: Re: things not going so well at the Conference Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 22:46:45 -0500 In-Reply-To: <3F910B40-CDA4-43EB-AABE-263BD6D502F4@glasswing.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20120602185812.12656.35656.levelstar.mail@everest> <4FCBC4FF.7020201@googlemail.com> <1338766581.51644.YahooMailNeo@web162706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <3F910B40-CDA4-43EB-AABE-263BD6D502F4@glasswing.com> Message-Id: <7BF93A58-3DDE-482A-B401-1E7403A299B0@theclaypools.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020208.4FCC2FA6.0045,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 03:46:47 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_1B5CC1B6-53D3-4933-95AA-F7E7988236FD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I love Richard's comment below. I'd add to it - "and an opportunity for = you to teach!" Echoing some of the other constructive comments about promoting the = specifics of the event - I am bombarded with things vying for my = attention, be they work work, music work, entertainment, family & = friends, etc. It's frankly tough to pierce the noise enough to grab a = time slot on the calendar. Heck, I routinely don't make events that I = fully understand and desperately want to attend. I agree with some of = the earlier comments - clarify the aim and push the technology. =20 All the best, Loren Claypool genre-indifferent instrumental guitar music www.lorenclaypool.com and links from there On Jun 3, 2012, at 10:07 PM, richard sales wrote: > This is an opportunity for you to learn. Don't give up, young Edison. = The lightbulb's just around the corner! --Apple-Mail=_1B5CC1B6-53D3-4933-95AA-F7E7988236FD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I love Richard's comment below. I'd add to it - "and an opportunity for you to teach!"

Echoing some of the other constructive comments about promoting the specifics of the event - I am bombarded with things vying for my attention, be they work work, music work, entertainment, family & friends, etc. It's frankly tough to pierce the noise enough to grab a time slot on the calendar. Heck, I routinely don't make events that I fully understand and desperately want to attend. I agree with some of the earlier comments - clarify the aim and push the technology.
 
All the best,

Loren Claypool
genre-indifferent instrumental guitar music
www.lorenclaypool.com and links from there



On Jun 3, 2012, at 10:07 PM, richard sales wrote:

This is an opportunity for you to learn.  Don't give up, young Edison.  The lightbulb's just around the corner!

--Apple-Mail=_1B5CC1B6-53D3-4933-95AA-F7E7988236FD-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 10:24:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FED918345D; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 10:24:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=U/AQ/JXu c=1 sm=0 a=B0LBDJxC1D+Ahs8cuZ4dXg==:17 a=zAclQ4R42sIA:10 a=6SaSKPgsifIA:10 a=p_P8It6jP9UA:10 a=cejflFS_AAAA:8 a=R6NepPVFAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=wod9hcA5AAAA:8 a=vSCYQJzhAAAA:8 a=A-U__12-AAAA:8 a=i5fYxNa7gfX6osNe6oYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=zaMPjcxdHi0A:10 a=65dPQcleP1az8GSL:21 a=zoNgJmHKJzv1r1XV:21 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=mt3Gq5t4UmfWl4a3z30A:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=vNuID0iN4JC_FbR9:21 a=6aqHNhfdZG6Pz9ww:21 a=B0LBDJxC1D+Ahs8cuZ4dXg==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 74.76.199.19 From: "Hoby Ebert" Sender: "Hoby Ebert" To: References: <1338739326.19516.YahooMailNeo@web163805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: TC Flashback delay/Line 6 M series audio mods Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 06:24:07 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01CD421A.A5F37070" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <1338739326.19516.YahooMailNeo@web163805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: Ac1B4nY87wU/9APkTRi6aOCSNxioYgAAlCGw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 10:24:09 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01CD421A.A5F37070 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think this is related enough to be on-topic for this thread. I don=92t believe I=92ve seen anyone mention these: =20 http://disasterareaamps.com/wordpress/store =20 Matt builds midi controllers in various sizes/configurations. I took delivery last week on a DMC-6 configured to control the looper on my M9 = and so far I am very pleased. The layout directly mimcs the button = configuration on the M9. Other than the M9 LEDs not always matching the current looper function (according to Matt this is a known bug with the M9 when using MIDI), it works perfectly.=20 =20 He=92s got various firmware versions. You can get one set up to also = change scenes. =20 hoby =20 _____ =20 From: Luis Angulo [mailto:louie.angulo@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 12:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: TC Flashback delay/Line 6 M series audio mods=20 =20 thanx for the info and link Bill! Yes please let me know,that way i can make a decision wether i should = take it to the states this summer and have it done but i think ill take it anyway because of those loud switches;-) Yes i had my DL4 also moded and didnt regret doing the mod i did notice = the difference,i asked the guy from R3FX if he also did audio mods and he = said that is not neccesary and is all exagerated and a marketing thing cause = no one notices the difference So i hope this guy does it just as good as the ones that did the mod on = my DL4 the one thing i hope somebody would do is a jack to have a switch to = change from efx mode to looper mode,or at least a a single compact button midi switch that would send cc=B4s! =20 http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom _____ =20 From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 4:30 AM Subject: Re: TC Flashback delay/Line 6 M series audio mods=20 =20 Hey Louis, The issue with the M series stuff as compared to say Eventide = or TC products is transparency of sound. When i run through my timefactor = or flashback I perceive a clearer less colored sound and no drop in volume. With my M series stuff there is a slight drop in volume, a touch more = noise and coloration in the high frequencies. Its not a huge thing and most = people don't notice particularly if they keep at least one effect on at a time. = I have considered selling my M-9, but I also realized that in order to = achieve some of the complex synched 3 delays in a row that i'm found of using = I would need three Eventide Timelines or Strymon Time Factors. When I = started to add that up, I thought twice and I'm willing to risk the money it = takes for the audio upgrade to find out, and I definitely will get the = switches changed. I never regretted having my long gone DL-4 modded for audio = upgrade by Keeley, i imagine the person who owns it now is glad too. I had a = second one at the time and in a side by side comparison I definitely heard the difference in noise floor and volume drop. There are a number of people doing DL-4 mods these days for both audio and switches most notably = Vertex, http://www.vertexeffects.com/ who has built boards and customized DL-4's and other effects for guys = like Robben Ford , Nels Kline, Henry Kaiser,and Michael Landau.=20 The guy I just found JHV3 http://jhv3.squarespace.com/m9-mods/ is = the only I have found so far that has tackled the same issues on the = M-series, there is a pretty detailed description on his web site about what he = does. The fact is, there are a lot of cottage industry guys tweaking and = modding all kinds of effects, amps and guitars, to make production factory made gear sound better and/or more like original issue stuff. I'll let you = know how it compares. bill =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01CD421A.A5F37070 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think this is related enough to be on-topic for this thread. I don’t believe I’ve seen anyone mention = these:

 

http://disasterareaa= mps.com/wordpress/store

 

Matt builds midi controllers in various sizes/configurations. I = took delivery last week on a DMC-6 configured to control the looper on my M9 = and so far I am very pleased. The layout directly mimcs the button = configuration on the M9. Other than the M9 LEDs not always matching the current looper = function (according to Matt this is a known bug with the M9 when using MIDI), it works perfectly.

 

He’s got various firmware versions. You can get one set up = to also change scenes.

 

hoby

 

From: Luis = Angulo [mailto:louie.angulo@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 03, = 2012 12:02 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: TC Flashback delay/Line 6 M series audio mods

 

thanx for the info and link Bill!

Yes please let me know,that way i can make a decision wether i should take it to = the states this summer and have it done

but i think ill take it anyway because of those loud = switches;-)

Yes i had my DL4 also moded and didnt regret doing the mod i did notice the = difference,i asked the guy from R3FX if he also did audio mods and he said that is = not neccesary and is all exagerated and a marketing thing cause no one = notices the difference

So = i hope this guy does it just as good as the ones that did the mod on my = DL4

the one thing i hope somebody would do is a jack to have a switch to change from efx = mode to looper mode,or at least a a single compact button midi switch that would = send cc=B4s!

 

http://www.myspace.com/luisanguloc= om

From: William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Saturday, June 2, = 2012 4:30 AM
Subject: Re: TC Flashback delay/Line 6 M series audio mods

 

Hey Louis, The issue with the M series stuff as compared to say Eventide or TC = products is transparency of sound.  When i run through my timefactor or = flashback I perceive a clearer less colored sound and no drop in volume. With my M series = stuff there is a slight drop in volume, a touch more noise and coloration in = the high frequencies. Its not a huge thing and most people don't notice = particularly if they keep at least one effect on at a time. I have considered selling my = M-9, but I also realized that in order to achieve some of the complex =  synched  3 delays in a row that i'm found of using I would need three = Eventide Timelines or Strymon Time Factors. When I started to add that up, I = thought twice and I'm willing to risk the money it takes for the audio upgrade = to find out,  and I definitely will get the switches changed. I never = regretted having my long gone DL-4 modded for audio upgrade by Keeley, i imagine = the person who owns it now is glad too. I had a second one at the time and in a = side by side comparison I definitely heard  the difference in = noise floor and volume drop. There are a number of people doing DL-4 mods = these days for both audio and switches most notably Vertex,  http://www.vertexeffects.com/

who has built boards and customized DL-4's and other effects  for guys like = Robben Ford , Nels Kline, Henry Kaiser,and Michael = Landau. 

The guy I just found  JHV3 http://jhv3.squarespace.com/m9-mods/  =   is the only I have found so far that has tackled the same issues on the = M-series, there is a pretty detailed description on his web site about what he = does. The fact is, there are a lot of cottage industry guys tweaking and modding = all kinds of effects, amps and guitars, to make production  factory = made gear sound better and/or more like original issue stuff.  I'll let you = know how it compares.

 bill

 

------=_NextPart_000_0003_01CD421A.A5F37070-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 14:26:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCDC9183460; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 14:26:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-06-04_01:2012-05-21,2012-06-04,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1206040142 Subject: Re: things not going so well at the Conference From: Daniel Thomas In-reply-to: <20120602185812.12656.35656.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 07:27:06 -0700 Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <57F0E8DB-40E1-45A3-B0FE-5C4AD05E23D6@mac.com> References: <20120602185812.12656.35656.levelstar.mail@everest> To: Tyler X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 14:26:58 +0000 (UTC) I did not check it out due to travel and business obligations. 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I=0Adon=E2=80=99t believe I=E2=80=99ve seen anyo= ne mention these:=0A=C2=A0=0Ahttp://disasterareaamps.com/wordpress/store=0A= =C2=A0=0AMatt builds midi controllers in various sizes/configurations. I to= ok=0Adelivery last week on a DMC-6 configured to control the looper on my M= 9 and so=0Afar I am very pleased. The layout directly mimcs the button conf= iguration on=0Athe M9. Other than the M9 LEDs not always matching the curre= nt looper function=0A(according to Matt this is a known bug with the M9 whe= n using MIDI ),=0Ait works perfectly. =0A=C2=A0=0AHe=E2=80=99s got various = firmware versions. You can get one set up to=0Aalso change scenes.=0A=C2=A0= =0Ahoby=0A=C2=A0=0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AFrom:Luis Angu= lo=0A[mailto:louie.angulo@yahoo.com] =0ASent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 12:02= =0APM=0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0ASubject: Re: TC Flashback= =0Adelay/Line 6 M series audio mods =0A=C2=A0=0Athanx for the=0Ainfo and li= nk Bill!=0AYes please=0Alet me know,that way i can make a decision wether i= should take it to the=0Astates this summer and have it done=0Abut i think= =0Aill take it anyway because of those loud switches;-)=0AYes i had my=0ADL= 4 also moded and didnt regret doing the mod i did notice the difference,i= =0Aasked the guy from R3FX if he also did audio mods and he said that is no= t=0Aneccesary and is all exagerated and a marketing thing cause no one noti= ces the=0Adifference=0ASo i hope=0Athis guy does it just as good as the one= s that did the mod on my DL4=0Athe one thing=0Ai hope somebody would do is = a jack to have a switch to change from efx mode to=0Alooper mode,or at leas= t a a single compact button midi switch that would send=0Acc=C2=B4s!=0A=C2= =A0=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A___________________________= _____=0A =0AFrom:William Walker=0A=0ATo: Loopers-De= light@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 4:30=0AAM=0ASubje= ct: Re: TC Flashback=0Adelay/Line 6 M series audio mods =0A=C2=A0=0AHey Lou= is,=0AThe issue with the M series stuff as compared to say Eventide or TC p= roducts is=0Atransparency of sound. =C2=A0When i run through my timefactor = or flashback I perceive=0Aa clearer less colored sound and no drop in volum= e. With my M series stuff=0Athere is a slight drop in volume, a touch more = noise and coloration in the high=0Afrequencies. Its not a huge thing and mo= st people don't notice particularly if=0Athey keep at least one effect on a= t a time. I have considered selling my M-9,=0Abut I also realized that in o= rder to achieve some of the complex =C2=A0synched=0A=C2=A03 delays in a row= that i'm found of using I would need three Eventide=0ATimelines or Strymon= Time Factors. When I started to add that up, I thought=0Atwice and I'm wil= ling to risk the money it takes for the audio upgrade to find=0Aout, =C2=A0= and I definitely will get the switches changed. I never regretted=0Ahaving = my long gone DL-4 modded for audio upgrade by Keeley, i imagine the person= =0Awho owns it now is glad too. I had a second one at the time and in a sid= e by=0Aside comparison I definitely=C2=A0heard=C2=A0=C2=A0the difference in= noise=0Afloor and volume drop. There are a number of people doing DL-4 mod= s these days=0Afor both audio and switches most notably Vertex, =C2=A0http:= //www.vertexeffects.com/=0Awho has built=0Aboards and customized DL-4's and= other effects =C2=A0for guys like Robben Ford=0A, Nels Kline, Henry Kaiser= ,and Michael Landau.=C2=A0=0AThe guy I=0Ajust found =C2=A0JHV3=C2=A0http://= jhv3.squarespace.com/m9-mods/=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0is=0Athe only I have found = so far that has tackled the same issues on the M-series,=0Athere is a prett= y detailed description on his web site about what he does. The=0Afact is, t= here are a lot of cottage industry guys tweaking and modding all=0Akinds of= effects, amps and guitars, to make production =C2=A0factory made gear=0Aso= und better and/or more like original issue stuff. =C2=A0I'll let you know h= ow=0Ait compares.=0A=C2=A0bill --1691886257-1380114918-1338820904=:51797 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
awesome Ho= by thanx!
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<= span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">ive also noticed the M9 LEDs not always mat= ching the current looper function when i tested it with my fcb1010
but will the lights on the DMC always match and be reliable= ?
cheers
Luis
 
http://www.mysp= ace.com/luisangulocom
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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-= delight.com
Sent: Mon= day, June 4, 2012 12:24 PM
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--1691886257-1380114918-1338820904=:51797-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 14:48:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0ECB18345D; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 14:48:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <4A1989EC-B90F-4EBE-AB79-80628B453BC4@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--263145074 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: TC Flashback delay/Line 6 M series audio mods Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 07:48:27 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 14:48:34 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--263145074 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Yes i had my DL4 also moded and didnt regret doing the mod i did > notice the difference,i asked the guy from R3FX if he also did audio > mods and he said that is not neccesary and is all exagerated and a > marketing thing cause no one notices the difference Marketing Hype? I don't see that at all , I think the guy at R3FX is lazy and doesn't want to admit that other vendors have developed some good mods. As far as being able to hear the difference,I most certainly can, but its most evident in the high frequencies where most people suffer the most hearing loss. I've been fortunate either to play in bands where the volume wasn't too extreme, or having been diligent to wear ear plugs when things got extreme. Not to say i don't have some loss, I do, but I find his statement a bit curious. Bill --Apple-Mail-3--263145074 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes i had my DL4 also moded and = didnt regret doing the mod i did notice the difference,i asked the guy = from R3FX if he also did audio mods and he said that is not neccesary = and is all exagerated and a marketing thing cause no one notices the = difference


Marketing Hype? I = don't see that at all , I think the guy at R3FX is lazy and doesn't want = to admit that other vendors have developed some good mods. As far as = being able to hear the difference,I most certainly can, but its most = evident in the high frequencies where most people suffer the most = hearing loss. I've been fortunate either to play in bands where the = volume wasn't too extreme, or having been diligent to wear ear plugs = when things got extreme. Not to say i don't have some loss, I do, but I = find his statement a bit curious.
Bill
= --Apple-Mail-3--263145074-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 15:11:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41E57183455; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 15:11:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=rIQuHsFC1qsQ+RcDqrjj7vM17d7apunAZ+2GAzelzRY=; b=AO4455x7Efl1Fum6ygxiIs7kC7PQjELKyCJQDUbSiy4dDEMnHeQ1KTE7V0KLxsIpla 1xZs4H1UdJ3p73il7dttLHd19MXIAgq2g7vDkuYqNf8JDr3TEtqO1WsioQ53dS2eD2va qaw+LZATXmE692iQMBeNQzzDvWQGPjGiilCnzLUE76H14aOLhoP/e3h5fMpp+xnKFOlK Dp3omLsysEs03iK3xjk6kVGWCReQAaqV70qN87pGmFRsSnIYqycPD07W3wUjnMeG0+4L V6491Jwz1Lw7Epp7dVMHgONYwo83y4vLre+rEfvA0EKUdgXSvB+gVJYmCmLPb7ZJQ8cF c9/g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <57F0E8DB-40E1-45A3-B0FE-5C4AD05E23D6@mac.com> References: <20120602185812.12656.35656.levelstar.mail@everest> <57F0E8DB-40E1-45A3-B0FE-5C4AD05E23D6@mac.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 11:11:57 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: things not going so well at the Conference From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <1YKWq.A.AXD.-ANzPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 15:11:58 +0000 (UTC) Tyler, Thanks for your efforts, but I can't say the outcome is very surprising. I can't recall a lot of interest on those threads you started about this teleconference. One thing to keep in mind is that it's extremely unlikely to get any kind of large turnout from a group of busy people living in different time zones who generally "meet" whenever they have 5 minutes to check their emails. A teleconference does not seem like a natural extension to a mailing list. For the record, I was outside planting my garden, as I am want to do in late May or early June. A detailed program could have made me want to participate and I would have planned my day around the parts that interested me. However, I can't plan my day around hanging out with people on the telephone for a few hours (my wife won't let me). Sylvain From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 16:43:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71F59183460; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 16:43:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=EL2CTeLUFa/vZKJTTKkJ1P+DCo3YrYEEoRDBaTbeMbg=; b=fNLCXuNjn5yhaj+RBN+5t7bbGX5lAAMHbT9eCPUAuQI10UPe7nwudMSknspuVAXWuo nzXvupB/N8LgnONqVVoZ2Z9ItbT0yihp4riruqfNQ0tsNngS/KC1XQ4auXqkJ1NJSqpo 7CkAY/9MJ8iG47gtH+I0c0xXMzP0rIBgeR/A+rU/ZguF39iK5lCHL/uZPlGU1RbTcxAy jQ75enHd6j3DTwTCSBjfLkX9OOhx/LgybaaOtzBjizG+gk9PHpNfKZ0iCHWOcfyRjguD ckTL/THRX04ZBiG5coxYrwzsr6XcJhTIeFW49QRriN7iSZ5URXS3mxtwe0cVfkejSurG 44uQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 18:43:21 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5iT2BRGubX5TLsWlQBHJxPsoGPk Message-ID: Subject: Now it's been tried once - how to do an effective conference. From: Tom Swirly To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b10cc9b63433604c1a83b80 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 16:43:23 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b10cc9b63433604c1a83b80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Sorry I wasn't there, I'd just arrived in Berlin and getting set up. I admire this as a brave experiment and a learning experience... As others have said, the issue is that there's no great incentive for anyone to be there at any specific time. I propose the following different structure for the next conference! I think there should be the following simultaneous streams: 1. an audio visual stream with live scheduled 45-minute performances on the hour, and pre-recorded music tracks for filler (or in case someone has tech issues) 2. a set of separate *text-only* chat rooms (this can be just Google/yahoo/someone else chat rooms, not custom software) 1. social - random chat and socialization 2. music - discussion of looping compositional issues, perhaps with scheduled Q/A sessions 3. tech - chat about tech issues, perhaps with scheduled Q/A sessions 3. for the adventurous, an informal group Skype and Google hangout - but the content would be on the first two. A lot of us are very comfortable in the text world, this takes advantage of it. It also means that we can direct non-loopers to the main audio-visual stream and they won't get any "behind-the-scenes" geek-oriented chat. Thoughts? --047d7b10cc9b63433604c1a83b80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry I wasn't there, I'd just arrived in Berlin and getting s= et up.

I admire this as a brave experiment and a l= earning experience...


As others have sai= d, the issue is that there's no great incentive for anyone to be there = at any specific time.

I propose the following different structure for the next con= ference!

I think there should be the following sim= ultaneous streams:

  1. an audio visual stream = with live=C2=A0scheduled=C2=A045-minute performances on the hour, and pre-r= ecorded music tracks for filler (or in case someone has tech issues)
  2. a set of separate text-only chat rooms (this can be just Google/= yahoo/someone else chat rooms, not custom software)
    1. social - ra= ndom chat and socialization
    2. music - discussion of looping compositi= onal issues, perhaps with scheduled Q/A sessions
    3. tech - chat about tech issues, perhaps with scheduled Q/A sessions
      4. =
  3. for the adventurous, an informal group Skype and Google hangout - = but the content would be on the first two.

A lot of us are very comfortable in the text world, this takes advanta= ge of it.

It also means that we can direct n= on-loopers to the main audio-visual stream and they won't get any "= ;behind-the-scenes" geek-oriented chat.

Thoughts?
--047d7b10cc9b63433604c1a83b80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 18:36:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD7C118345E; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 18:36:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0694672942==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120604183634.1098.17474.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 14:36:36 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: things not going so well at the Conference Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 18:36:50 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0694672942== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Because=20I=20belong=20to=20another=20mailing=20list,=20and=20they=20starte= d=20a=20chat=20using=20the=20mailing=20list.=20They=20used=20Conversation= =20 Station=20too.=20The=20list=20is=20called=20BNUI: http://braillenoteusers.info It's=20a=20blind=20and=20visually=20impaired-themed=20computer-technology= =20chat=20thing,=20and=20Con=20Station=20was=20just=20fine=20for=20 them.=20What's=20the=20difference?=20It's=20a=20mailing=20list,=20and=20peo= ple=20are=20invited=20to=20the=20chat=20via=20the=20list.=20So=20I=20said,= =20 why=20not? Tyler=20Z On=20Mon,=204=20Jun=202012=2011:11:57=20-0400,=20Sylvain=20Poitras=20wrote: >Tyler, >Thanks=20for=20your=20efforts,=20but=20I=20can't=20say=20the=20outcome=20i= s=20very >surprising.=20=20I=20can't=20recall=20a=20lot=20of=20interest=20on=20those= =20threads=20you >started=20about=20this=20teleconference. > >One=20thing=20to=20keep=20in=20mind=20is=20that=20it's=20extremely=20unlik= ely=20to=20get=20any >kind=20of=20large=20turnout=20from=20a=20group=20of=20busy=20people=20livi= ng=20in=20different >time=20zones=20who=20generally=20"meet"=20whenever=20they=20have=205=20min= utes=20to=20check >their=20emails.=20=20A=20teleconference=20does=20not=20seem=20like=20a=20n= atural=20extension >to=20a=20mailing=20list.=20=20For=20the=20record,=20I=20was=20outside=20pl= anting=20my=20garden, >as=20I=20am=20want=20to=20do=20in=20late=20May=20or=20early=20June. > >A=20detailed=20program=20could=20have=20made=20me=20want=20to=20participat= e=20and=20I=20would >have=20planned=20my=20day=20around=20the=20parts=20that=20interested=20me.= =20=20However,=20I >can't=20plan=20my=20day=20around=20hanging=20out=20with=20people=20on=20th= e=20telephone=20for >a=20few=20hours=20(my=20wife=20won't=20let=20me). > >Sylvain --===============0694672942==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 19:24:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35E55183454; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 19:24:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:cc:content-type; bh=EaSm2+/MIrWoRjFEOuUcFzt787z4DJwZx7HRNr/FXko=; b=M6Ib5XmWT+k0gVHlSFOXL9xCSugcVSiL1HgVZ+QXR6TUbVH2evMGbdqh0iPOgeN8jm HdIbvBy6JNTGSlZvwpRiEnvSIT2gZ8k8MF1D4O6H9nR+U2WwFiXtc75E6Avl3AAwCI7n 0uHMVhXuc0DD+KbbUtaPqjOIRf88ZJ+1RoewfXebKkpb2oNxQTw2U6+Htt7e2C26x4ez KP36uDQ0VFYAojvcYFaPV0RG+GBtwKt0DPXMXePe0smS8T/McVHKrHooXmD804mE9Jh4 MlcYU3tXD3kt4fiInCVr5l5z4u5yo8k932sVazRmMkkhgYuEuf/vj1/bg8BmaK6tRGP0 OKAQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 12:24:24 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: things not going so well at the Conference From: Lindsey Walker Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f923ba452382c04c1aa7bca Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 19:24:25 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f923ba452382c04c1aa7bca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This is the first time I took genuine notice of this but it sounds like a good idea. If we keep talking about it, that can preserve any momentum generated from the "beta version" of the event. Hopefully you'll have a better turn out at the next one! Lindsey On Jun 4, 2012 11:36 AM, "Tyler" wrote: > > Because I belong to another mailing list, and they started a chat using the mailing list. They used Conversation > Station too. The list is called BNUI: > http://braillenoteusers.info > It's a blind and visually impaired-themed computer-technology chat thing, and Con Station was just fine for > them. What's the difference? It's a mailing list, and people are invited to the chat via the list. So I said, > why not? > Tyler Z > On Mon, 4 Jun 2012 11:11:57 -0400, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > > > >Tyler, > >Thanks for your efforts, but I can't say the outcome is very > >surprising. I can't recall a lot of interest on those threads you > >started about this teleconference. > > > >One thing to keep in mind is that it's extremely unlikely to get any > >kind of large turnout from a group of busy people living in different > >time zones who generally "meet" whenever they have 5 minutes to check > >their emails. A teleconference does not seem like a natural extension > >to a mailing list. For the record, I was outside planting my garden, > >as I am want to do in late May or early June. > > > >A detailed program could have made me want to participate and I would > >have planned my day around the parts that interested me. However, I > >can't plan my day around hanging out with people on the telephone for > >a few hours (my wife won't let me). > > > >Sylvain --e89a8f923ba452382c04c1aa7bca Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This is the first time I took genuine notice of this but it sounds like = a good idea.=A0 If we keep talking about it, that can preserve any momentum= generated from the "beta version" of the event.=A0 Hopefully you= 'll have a better turn out at the next one!

Lindsey
On Jun 4, 2012 11:36 AM, "Tyler" <programmer651@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Because I belong to another mailing list, and they started a chat usin= g the mailing list. They used Conversation
> Station too. The list is called BNUI:
> http://braillenoteusers.info<= /a>
> It's a blind and visually impaired-themed computer-technology chat= thing, and Con Station was just fine for
> them. What's the difference? It's a mailing list, and people a= re invited to the chat via the list. So I said,
> why not?
> Tyler Z
> On Mon, 4 Jun 2012 11:11:57 -0400, Sylvain Poitras wrote:
>
>
> >Tyler,
> >Thanks for your efforts, but I can't say the outcome is very > >surprising. =A0I can't recall a lot of interest on those threa= ds you
> >started about this teleconference.
> >
> >One thing to keep in mind is that it's extremely unlikely to g= et any
> >kind of large turnout from a group of busy people living in differ= ent
> >time zones who generally "meet" whenever they have 5 min= utes to check
> >their emails. =A0A teleconference does not seem like a natural ext= ension
> >to a mailing list. =A0For the record, I was outside planting my ga= rden,
> >as I am want to do in late May or early June.
> >
> >A detailed program could have made me want to participate and I wo= uld
> >have planned my day around the parts that interested me. =A0Howeve= r, I
> >can't plan my day around hanging out with people on the teleph= one for
> >a few hours (my wife won't let me).
> >
> >Sylvain

--e89a8f923ba452382c04c1aa7bca-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 20:43:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA93118345E; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 20:43:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 893779.10839.bm@omp1047.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1338842630; bh=TkecmoUFuVjUgWTEPyNnan7pzJsVI8yu047bx3UZd8A=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DvaisTHWbCZzwbcQENF5C7jN66MwHbxTjBq8Zm8pfrjFbXo/aPBnh5ys+EhFp9UNnCRi3nyxRoZNjyUZTfH0WHQfxW1xkzM9f7q++hz2KXKJFE9L7XjOtLCQJ8hLVLBnv7zuG1z46fFoiZ0n7j0zOIrBFM2UkDicpleVkCMRxWE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ewebsIKOxQmKyhPckfRZ3VQ6PMmo0ZzF7MA12tP4E0RKH80ZUakYs+JsmL/OBGq9Rt0PUGRYwUF4o3S0uHHpTaMUYjWEXehcS9A17pv2WfFEYpsBFNLnioHNCzXj2UfFOxYVroYLCCycBqpb2PoFupM3S19L6be0fUQZvvbxh+U=; X-YMail-OSG: 0FGJ1bMVM1l9MtGdICj1ThPoJY_OOwsBS9pDXIei7rZOGP1 H27WAKDOBPKbbKvFTeWSMfxfmy6YRxqdT7EJclI0h3xZCEOcmYecPr7JpQWN ivvVwU.5Yf_lUwkZVwHlWFwKIhByK02b3kLPRyXnQgGnY0fPzIrOQO9Ix5B7 iPMjN.Q1Q7qj5PHPpEP0e9Le5h0RCCysGHNeT7B6r9LTUeuJ_ow9KMWgt8Tb QAO9G5Otb06qXlC5d51qgGFnCGnhoiaOkqI3EGnybEApkV6GZHqYXExmoH5K L77_.eoVT9VfdFV0PPilQMQarqQOERLp2uxzsl0Voc_9NsaaB4U88jxJ8AF7 XOUjxrDp75hL8Jt3ibPAAkoGNStxoF2Q6LPzkAn.TchE1cb0k1s2C_Nxuqsf YrcYGxt7x2HQeSiuhmr_EUKs0hWJcW6EYeBldNONRprl_Z_lhnksh97mmVfY 1nWbbXlHgnS1EAf7eNZh9_1.5NBPtEpp3v1OAdcLMrAxytGw5l2VIPUh_gfW FcniOx.8_k7kmw4YQhnTvgcHwoJVbIDnUczTOzGzJ2yaWs26g4OyakIsKgda 06.heo3LVfXvGkoVZ X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: Message-ID: <1338842630.28698.YahooMailNeo@web162706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:43:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Elmer Fuddski Reply-To: Elmer Fuddski Subject: Re: things not going so well at the Conference To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1963244382-1242570286-1338842630=:28698" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 20:43:51 +0000 (UTC) ---1963244382-1242570286-1338842630=:28698 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If I would have know no one was on the line, I might have performed one of = my looping tunes as no one could have yelled out "You stink"!=0A=0A=0A_____= ___________________________=0AFrom: Lindsey Walker =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ACc: Loopers-Delight@loopers= -delight.com =0ASent: Monday, June 4, 2012 3:24 PM=0ASubject: Re: things no= t going so well at the Conference=0A=0A=0AThis is the first time I took gen= uine notice of this but it sounds like a good idea.=A0 If we keep talking a= bout it, that can preserve any momentum generated from the "beta version" o= f the event.=A0 Hopefully you'll have a better turn out at the next one!=0A= Lindsey=0AOn Jun 4, 2012 11:36 AM, "Tyler" wrot= e:=0A>=0A> Because I belong to another mailing list, and they started a cha= t using the mailing list. They used Conversation=0A> Station too. The list = is called BNUI:=0A> http://braillenoteusers.info=0A> It's a blind and visua= lly impaired-themed computer-technology chat thing, and Con Station was jus= t fine for=0A> them. What's the difference? It's a mailing list, and people= are invited to the chat via the list. So I said,=0A> why not?=0A> Tyler Z= =0A> On Mon, 4 Jun 2012 11:11:57 -0400, Sylvain Poitras wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A> = >Tyler,=0A> >Thanks for your efforts, but I can't say the outcome is very= =0A> >surprising. =A0I can't recall a lot of interest on those threads you= =0A> >started about this teleconference.=0A> >=0A> >One thing to keep in mi= nd is that it's extremely unlikely to get any=0A> >kind of large turnout fr= om a group of busy people living in different=0A> >time zones who generally= "meet" whenever they have 5 minutes to check=0A> >their emails. =A0A telec= onference does not seem like a natural extension=0A> >to a mailing list. = =A0For the record, I was outside planting my garden,=0A> >as I am want to d= o in late May or early June.=0A> >=0A> >A detailed program could have made = me want to participate and I would=0A> >have planned my day around the part= s that interested me. =A0However, I=0A> >can't plan my day around hanging o= ut with people on the telephone for=0A> >a few hours (my wife won't let me)= .=0A> >=0A> >Sylvain ---1963244382-1242570286-1338842630=:28698 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If I would have know no one was on the line, I might have performed one of = my looping tunes as no one could have yelled out "You stink"!
=
From: = Lindsey Walker <lindsey.walker@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-del= ight.com
Sent: Monday= , June 4, 2012 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: things not going so well at the Conference
=
=0A

This is the first time I took genuine not= ice of this but it sounds like a good idea.=A0 If we keep talking about it,= that can preserve any momentum generated from the "beta version"= of the event.=A0 Hopefully you'll have a better turn out at the next o= ne!

=0A=0A

Lindsey
=0AOn Jun 4, 2012 11:36 AM, "Tyler" &l= t;programmer651@comcast= .net> wrote:
=0A>
=0A> Because I belong to another maili= ng list, and they started a chat using the mailing list. They used Conversa= tion
=0A> Station too. The list is called BNUI:
=0A> http://bra= illenoteusers.info
=0A> It's a blind and visually impaired-themed= computer-technology chat thing, and Con Station was just fine for
=0A&g= t; them. What's the difference? It's a mailing list, and people are= invited to the chat via the list. So I said,
=0A> why not?
=0A>= ; Tyler Z
=0A> On Mon, 4 Jun 2012 11:11:57 -0400, Sylvain Poitras wro= te:
=0A>
=0A>
=0A> >Tyler,
=0A> >Thanks for y= our efforts, but I can't say the outcome is very
=0A> >surpris= ing. =A0I can't recall a lot of interest on those threads you
=0A>= ; >started about this teleconference.
=0A> >
=0A> >One= thing to keep in mind is that it's extremely unlikely to get any
= =0A> >kind of large turnout from a group of busy people living in dif= ferent
=0A> >time zones who generally "meet" whenever th= ey have 5 minutes to check
=0A> >their emails. =A0A teleconference= does not seem like a natural extension
=0A> >to a mailing list. = =A0For the record, I was outside planting my garden,
=0A> >as I am= want to do in late May or early June.
=0A> >
=0A> >A det= ailed program could have made me want to participate and I would
=0A>= >have planned my day around the parts that interested me. =A0However, I=
=0A> >can't plan my day around hanging out with people on the= telephone for
=0A> >a few hours (my wife won't let me).
= =0A> >
=0A> >Sylvain
=0A

=0A


---1963244382-1242570286-1338842630=:28698-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 23:42:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D9B318345D; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 23:42:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=QKPqt33L c=1 sm=0 a=B0LBDJxC1D+Ahs8cuZ4dXg==:17 a=zAclQ4R42sIA:10 a=6SaSKPgsifIA:10 a=p_P8It6jP9UA:10 a=cejflFS_AAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=R6NepPVFAAAA:8 a=wod9hcA5AAAA:8 a=vSCYQJzhAAAA:8 a=A-U__12-AAAA:8 a=_LwEcX-wVCbbiqAqM1UA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=3KtO9EVpv4kA:10 a=zaMPjcxdHi0A:10 a=5ALj10xrNExx8hQ5:21 a=re-KBDQrXbsmrNbo:21 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=HEbb1nWObz0hmlKcrs0A:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=Zy0zt_rbvi1VRtBL:21 a=JSi-fmOIdOPD2Jdk:21 a=B0LBDJxC1D+Ahs8cuZ4dXg==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 74.76.199.19 From: "Hoby Ebert" To: References: <1338820904.51797.YahooMailNeo@web163804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: TC Flashback delay/Line 6 M series audio mods Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 19:42:31 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004E_01CD428A.2EB77EF0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 In-Reply-To: <1338820904.51797.YahooMailNeo@web163804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: Ac1Co7e1pDgpFJCKTqyjByOoTsGpRgABxsbA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 23:42:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01CD428A.2EB77EF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The M9 switches definitely sound louder to me, like the mechanical noise = is bouncing around more in that larger case. The lights in the DMC seem to be spot on and reliably correct. They=92re = also VERY bright. I forgot to mention that holding down the upper right (REV) button = allows you to switch on the fly between Pre and Post for the looper/FX = relationship without any menu diving. =20 Hope this helps, =20 hoby=20 =20 _____ =20 From: Luis Angulo [mailto:louie.angulo@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 10:42 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: TC Flashback delay/Line 6 M series audio mods=20 =20 awesome Hoby thanx! question,are the switches as loud as the m9s or quieter? ive also noticed the M9 LEDs not always matching the current looper = function when i tested it with my fcb1010 but will the lights on the DMC always match and be reliable? cheers Luis =20 http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom _____ =20 From: Hoby Ebert To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 12:24 PM Subject: RE: TC Flashback delay/Line 6 M series audio mods=20 =20 I think this is related enough to be on-topic for this thread. I don=92t believe I=92ve seen anyone mention these: =20 http://disasterareaamps.com/wordpress/store =20 Matt builds midi controllers in various sizes/configurations. I took delivery last week on a DMC-6 configured to control the looper on my M9 = and so far I am very pleased. The layout directly mimcs the button = configuration on the M9. Other than the M9 LEDs not always matching the current looper function (according to Matt this is a known bug with the M9 when using = MIDI ), it works perfectly.=20 =20 He=92s got various firmware versions. You can get one set up to also = change scenes. =20 hoby =20 _____ =20 From: Luis Angulo [mailto:louie.angulo@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 12:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: TC Flashback delay/Line 6 M series audio mods=20 =20 thanx for the info and link Bill! Yes please let me know,that way i can make a decision wether i should = take it to the states this summer and have it done but i think ill take it anyway because of those loud switches;-) Yes i had my DL4 also moded and didnt regret doing the mod i did notice = the difference,i asked the guy from R3FX if he also did audio mods and he = said that is not neccesary and is all exagerated and a marketing thing cause = no one notices the difference So i hope this guy does it just as good as the ones that did the mod on = my DL4 the one thing i hope somebody would do is a jack to have a switch to = change from efx mode to looper mode,or at least a a single compact button midi switch that would send cc=B4s! =20 http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom _____ =20 From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 4:30 AM Subject: Re: TC Flashback delay/Line 6 M series audio mods=20 =20 Hey Louis, The issue with the M series stuff as compared to say Eventide = or TC products is transparency of sound. When i run through my timefactor = or flashback I perceive a clearer less colored sound and no drop in volume. With my M series stuff there is a slight drop in volume, a touch more = noise and coloration in the high frequencies. Its not a huge thing and most = people don't notice particularly if they keep at least one effect on at a time. = I have considered selling my M-9, but I also realized that in order to = achieve some of the complex synched 3 delays in a row that i'm found of using = I would need three Eventide Timelines or Strymon Time Factors. When I = started to add that up, I thought twice and I'm willing to risk the money it = takes for the audio upgrade to find out, and I definitely will get the = switches changed. I never regretted having my long gone DL-4 modded for audio = upgrade by Keeley, i imagine the person who owns it now is glad too. I had a = second one at the time and in a side by side comparison I definitely heard the difference in noise floor and volume drop. There are a number of people doing DL-4 mods these days for both audio and switches most notably = Vertex, http://www.vertexeffects.com/ who has built boards and customized DL-4's and other effects for guys = like Robben Ford , Nels Kline, Henry Kaiser,and Michael Landau.=20 The guy I just found JHV3 http://jhv3.squarespace.com/m9-mods/ is = the only I have found so far that has tackled the same issues on the = M-series, there is a pretty detailed description on his web site about what he = does. The fact is, there are a lot of cottage industry guys tweaking and = modding all kinds of effects, amps and guitars, to make production factory made gear sound better and/or more like original issue stuff. I'll let you = know how it compares. bill =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01CD428A.2EB77EF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The M9 switches definitely sound = louder to me, like the mechanical noise is bouncing around more in that larger = case.

The lights in the DMC seem to be = spot on and reliably correct. They’re also VERY = bright.

I forgot to mention that holding = down the upper right (REV) button allows you to switch on the fly between Pre and = Post for the looper/FX relationship without any menu = diving.

 

Hope this = helps,

 

hoby

 

From: Luis = Angulo [mailto:louie.angulo@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, June 04, = 2012 10:42 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: TC Flashback delay/Line 6 M series audio mods

 

awesome Hoby thanx!

question,are the switches as loud as the m9s or quieter?

ive also noticed the M9 LEDs not always matching the current looper function when = i tested it with my fcb1010

but will the lights on the DMC always match and be = reliable?

cheers

Luis

 

http://www.myspace.com/luisanguloc= om

From: Hoby Ebert <hoby@moondogeast.org>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Monday, June 4, = 2012 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: TC Flashback delay/Line 6 M series audio mods

 

I = think this is related enough to be on-topic for this thread. I don’t believe I’ve seen anyone mention these:

 

 

Matt builds midi controllers in various sizes/configurations. I took delivery last = week on a DMC-6 configured to control the looper on my M9 and so far I am very = pleased. The layout directly mimcs the button configuration on the M9. Other than = the M9 LEDs not always matching the current looper function (according to Matt = this is a known bug with the M9 when using MIDI ), it works perfectly.

 

He’s got various firmware versions. You can get one set up to also change = scenes.

 

hoby

 

From: Luis Angulo [mailto:louie.angulo@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 03, = 2012 12:02 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: TC Flashback delay/Line 6 M series audio mods

 

thanx for the info and link Bill!

Yes please let me know,that way i can make a decision wether i should take it to = the states this summer and have it done

but i think ill take it anyway because of those loud = switches;-)

Yes i had my DL4 also moded and didnt regret doing the mod i did notice the = difference,i asked the guy from R3FX if he also did audio mods and he said that is = not neccesary and is all exagerated and a marketing thing cause no one = notices the difference

So = i hope this guy does it just as good as the ones that did the mod on my = DL4

the one thing i hope somebody would do is a jack to have a switch to change from efx = mode to looper mode,or at least a a single compact button midi switch that would = send cc=B4s!

 

http://www.myspace.com/luisanguloc= om

From: William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Saturday, June 2, = 2012 4:30 AM
Subject: Re: TC Flashback delay/Line 6 M series audio mods

 

Hey Louis, The issue with the M series stuff as compared to say Eventide or TC = products is transparency of sound.  When i run through my timefactor or = flashback I perceive a clearer less colored sound and no drop in volume. With my M = series stuff there is a slight drop in volume, a touch more noise and = coloration in the high frequencies. Its not a huge thing and most people don't notice particularly if they keep at least one effect on at a time. I have = considered selling my M-9, but I also realized that in order to achieve some of the complex  synched  3 delays in a row that i'm found of using I = would need three Eventide Timelines or Strymon Time Factors. When I started to = add that up, I thought twice and I'm willing to risk the money it takes for = the audio upgrade to find out,  and I definitely will get the switches changed. I never regretted having my long gone DL-4 modded for audio = upgrade by Keeley, i imagine the person who owns it now is glad too. I had a second = one at the time and in a side by side comparison I definitely heard  the difference in noise floor and = volume drop. There are a number of people doing DL-4 mods these days for both audio = and switches most notably Vertex,  http://www.vertexeffects.com/

who has built boards and customized DL-4's and other effects  for guys like = Robben Ford , Nels Kline, Henry Kaiser,and Michael = Landau. 

The guy I just found  JHV3 http://jhv3.squarespace.com/m9-mods/  =   is the only I have found so far that has tackled the same issues on the = M-series, there is a pretty detailed description on his web site about what he = does. The fact is, there are a lot of cottage industry guys tweaking and modding = all kinds of effects, amps and guitars, to make production  factory = made gear sound better and/or more like original issue stuff.  I'll let you = know how it compares.

 bill

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_004E_01CD428A.2EB77EF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 23:48:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE8A6183461; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 23:48:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=FFPWK0VFcfDUki4b7HRzRc+vr8Rm1gxPomcjNteKCkc=; b=RxZ5zu9tKNWoailoIHjRBv3lQLzwaaOcvXNdzQBspfK+VAAbNIJtHyQvEIyRl9f6fA 5T8eZ1aSPLdePE4DeAqJT8P+JexQTsFmb1f6tDjYmKnWrTiNcojrvnmTQ3HE8CKj3Yjc ux5FucsG3Vaee3IvQ9520OVKep4Y/iVq687K7vWTKs22fIe9SqVWdbCDvwDWH4vhgeA9 bGNqU5swZnffJwjy9Yj1o+P+yrsXxc8irjDWavB5kQ/nSyccn2aLwhsheRfbk5cD/nOB S4R9JALSuEC0tauN8lompluzPM6xSCKEzu+KT3m3AwJIZd+u41LD9DdC8bXXpb6AUqOB i8xw== MIME-Version: 1.0 From: todd reynolds Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 19:47:41 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Strymon... whoa. To: "Looper's Delight" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175889c248a84004c1ae2b21 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 23:48:22 +0000 (UTC) --0015175889c248a84004c1ae2b21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My looping brethren n sistren... At the very personal recommendation of Todd Matthews, another venerable contributor to the list, I just ran out to purchase a Strymon Timeline... O. My. God. 1 hour into it, and it, without question is rockin' my world a bit... the programmability factor, the midi and outside control, the fidelity, even the quality of the presets, tis a comfortable investment and a great-feeling value so far. I'll be divin' in deep next couple days, questions welcome, though I know I've seen more than plenty posts on this beast here in the past... Now I know what everyone was talkin' bout finally... Thanks to Todd, one of our loopin' dudes whose opinion I've grown to trust implicitly along with the Merlins among us like (Too many great folks to mention, lest I forget someone) Cheers, All. Todd --0015175889c248a84004c1ae2b21 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My looping brethren n sistren...=A0

At the very personal= recommendation of Todd Matthews, another venerable contributor to the list= , I just ran out to purchase a Strymon Timeline...=A0

O. My. God.

1 hour into = it, and it, without question is rockin' my world a bit... the programma= bility factor, the midi and outside control, the fidelity, even the quality= of the presets, tis a comfortable investment and a great-feeling value so = far. I'll be divin' in deep next couple days, questions welcome, th= ough I know I've seen more than plenty posts on this beast here in=A0th= e past... Now I know what everyone was talkin' bout finally...=A0

Thanks to Todd, one of our loopin' dudes whose opin= ion I've grown to trust implicitly along with the Merlins among us like= (Too many great folks to mention, lest I forget someone)

Cheers, All.=A0

Todd


--0015175889c248a84004c1ae2b21-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 00:31:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1206718345D; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 00:31:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ox3VFFWc+EQsOep8xH9i5XE+kRtVRr1Ju0g91IBkK4U=; b=rnP2zarN6SRLVWw1w65IqEnciSg4x9xtDUdqWalPKH//FhqCGCHBdgx7DitbIViwqb pJrlOJ6cHvR0jdSflGdRra4BiXznqaF7BgbUNADqom9CUfNTQO/qNNJRohMTLh4SbXaS VzuZWdh3sN415FPnqnn5Vfnyo2T8aLD0zGAFo2hO1VaHumyo9Vbu+Mnt57fbuZ/7LjVt 9p+xj6Q9iXU9gRvvy6BfdweE7CWVNLUAqol2DfcLcSjIMwg99dDJqj+3lwG3BkPQU9xu 1pTGyTiyTSytsYq6gFsXL01+2bLbBbSCzVjvU4H60DANNKR65J/wsOo+bGNoPnZl97Qu DOoA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 20:31:44 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Strymon... whoa. From: Thomas Wegmann To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b3396016e427404c1aec6e1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 00:31:45 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b3396016e427404c1aec6e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I too bought one of these a while back and love it. On Jun 4, 2012 7:48 PM, "todd reynolds" wrote: > My looping brethren n sistren... > > At the very personal recommendation of Todd Matthews, another venerable > contributor to the list, I just ran out to purchase a Strymon Timeline... > > O. My. God. > > 1 hour into it, and it, without question is rockin' my world a bit... the > programmability factor, the midi and outside control, the fidelity, even > the quality of the presets, tis a comfortable investment and a > great-feeling value so far. I'll be divin' in deep next couple days, > questions welcome, though I know I've seen more than plenty posts on this > beast here in the past... Now I know what everyone was talkin' bout > finally... > > Thanks to Todd, one of our loopin' dudes whose opinion I've grown to trust > implicitly along with the Merlins among us like (Too many great folks to > mention, lest I forget someone) > > Cheers, All. > > Todd > > > --047d7b3396016e427404c1aec6e1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I too bought one of these a while back and love it.

On Jun 4, 2012 7:48 PM, "todd reynolds"= ; <toddreyn@gmail.com> wrot= e:
My looping brethren n sistren...=A0

At the very personal= recommendation of Todd Matthews, another venerable contributor to the list= , I just ran out to purchase a Strymon Timeline...=A0

O. My. God.

1 hour into = it, and it, without question is rockin' my world a bit... the programma= bility factor, the midi and outside control, the fidelity, even the quality= of the presets, tis a comfortable investment and a great-feeling value so = far. I'll be divin' in deep next couple days, questions welcome, th= ough I know I've seen more than plenty posts on this beast here in=A0th= e past... Now I know what everyone was talkin' bout finally...=A0

Thanks to Todd, one of our loopin' dudes whose opin= ion I've grown to trust implicitly along with the Merlins among us like= (Too many great folks to mention, lest I forget someone)

Cheers, All.=A0

Todd


--047d7b3396016e427404c1aec6e1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 00:47:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6E05183461; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 00:47:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 559 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 00:47:39 UTC X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Al0HAJRTzU8yaAqN/2dsb2JhbABEjR2nD4MgAQEEOAJPC0ZXiCS3Mo4LgjZgA4hAkiuNJA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,716,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="260943411" X-Originating-IP: [50.104.10.141] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.10.141 Message-Id: <83DAE93C-3208-4EE7-BA46-3C273C1D57A9@frontier.com> From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Strymon... whoa. Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 19:37:13 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 00:47:39 +0000 (UTC) What does the Timeline do that the TimeFactor doesn't? I know one thing is the "Ice" delay, which provides some harmony/pitch shifting along with the delayed signal. Anything else? I just pre-ordered a Strymon Flint pedal. Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 00:49:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23888183454; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 00:49:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=rAZpVlsAw5P9j5jADHPYNFtV+adyv7/iKqdvDWY9vYk=; b=nz4AveUqokOIlzwo8hLBo/T80z7fqQUsowi8GOgdQcpLbubgwDpz80bX7CSnOmwop3 Vj5oDdy8Er3vf/o3AcFckqPcsZeepmI8tzwHka5XzXUxqMFjqxoTZ0pCt/xgVVae/G78 aeZdBgMolpF63yVCsPsPNyUs6U7Z6CS/qhuxL05WPOPIMZZiOcl2RZgNGGOcfHNixKI8 9zZTrqqzFRHXj0iHDFSKgKDwu0kw427Wx7flscy59fGER3hUsLKiSzK70sN/h+Y6Gl0E S4eJf/Oqdi5hsjyVson2s9BFqQVq5oiCHeKQqdmobWudXm33UkJGu9/rRHB6beMo7STZ HDyw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <83DAE93C-3208-4EE7-BA46-3C273C1D57A9@frontier.com> References: <83DAE93C-3208-4EE7-BA46-3C273C1D57A9@frontier.com> From: todd reynolds Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 20:48:25 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Strymon... whoa. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175889c280b18304c1af04ab Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 00:49:07 +0000 (UTC) --0015175889c280b18304c1af04ab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's not something I can answer... I do have the Pitch Factor, and I'd imagine that the Time Factor is awesome too. On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > What does the Timeline do that the TimeFactor doesn't? I know one thing i= s > the "Ice" delay, which provides some harmony/pitch shifting along with th= e > delayed signal. Anything else? > > I just pre-ordered a Strymon Flint pedal. > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =95 *The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011* - Amazon.com =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://toddreynolds.com http://twitter.com/digifiddler http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://facebook.com/toddreynolds http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds need me right away? Call or text me at 917.576.6166 --0015175889c280b18304c1af04ab Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's not something I can answer... I do have the Pitch Factor, and I&= #39;d imagine that the Time Factor is awesome too.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Jeff Shirkey &l= t;jcshirke@front= ier.com> wrote:
What does the Timeline do that the TimeFacto= r doesn't? I know one thing is the "Ice" delay, which provide= s some harmony/pitch shifting along with the delayed signal. Anything else?=

I just pre-ordered a Strymon Flint pedal.

Thanks,

Jeff




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=95 The Best Classical Music of=A0the Year, 2011<= /i> - Amazon.com

=95=A0Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now avail= able wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however!=A0=

need me right away? =A0Call or text me at 917.576.6166



--0015175889c280b18304c1af04ab-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 01:03:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B697A183455; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 01:03:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=78Y0IzSZaqN7/7sXMH7BtE3E5xHAgAaVl8HWlwNo/T8=; b=xdq7CGSXuRYpkQNw7SkrFR0vwlAidrKEGvxvW5nOMlDHH+4LRwtDGMo+d2qxm7HzQc fKfITcwjF7cZ4kzjqYxShb+9U5efuxFbLToVVKxPDdoMUxHqryV+2Wqq5kz7Qsi301UE l1qNgcG5nrJSFSOUEitOKRuEKjSy5S04M/SB5hWxjDYRnk2sFSajX5kp8A8yYFeq9hxT DQcKJwgkdpvXueD5Faq5qLTTH7FbAE8TaSx2qYWnk985qKZP5+CcSNU3fRb59YCzRcJl B6dxaFfVxyYqy9/a9uTLGVrncOU3rMkbNPrVmt15BkC88NJPhNbYf6MJGpgaUBnLci7q hKUQ== From: Phil Clevenger Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9--226218578 Subject: Re: Strymon... whoa. Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 18:03:54 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <83DAE93C-3208-4EE7-BA46-3C273C1D57A9@frontier.com> Message-Id: <02C46DEE-B6AB-401F-BC12-4637683AE7A8@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 01:03:59 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9--226218578 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Happy Timeline user here. Thoughtful implementation, great feature set, = great MIDI support. Only remaining wish for me: better MIDI access model for switching = presets. Other than that it's as good as a DDL pedal can get :) Phil p.s. One thing I love about the Eventide series is their GIANT, = gorgeous, text display. Wish all pedals did it that way :) On Jun 4, 2012, at 5:48 PM, todd reynolds wrote: > That's not something I can answer... I do have the Pitch Factor, and = I'd imagine that the Time Factor is awesome too. >=20 > On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Jeff Shirkey = wrote: > What does the Timeline do that the TimeFactor doesn't? I know one = thing is the "Ice" delay, which provides some harmony/pitch shifting = along with the delayed signal. Anything else? >=20 > I just pre-ordered a Strymon Flint pedal. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Jeff >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =95 The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011 - Amazon.com >=20 > =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available = wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however!=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > http://toddreynolds.com > http://twitter.com/digifiddler > http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic > http://blog.toddreynolds.com > http://facebook.com/toddreynolds > http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds >=20 > need me right away? Call or text me at 917.576.6166 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-9--226218578 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Happy = Timeline user here. Thoughtful implementation, great feature set, great = MIDI support.

Only remaining wish for me: better MIDI = access model for switching presets. Other than that it's as good as a = DDL pedal can get = :)

Phil

p.s. One thing = I love about the Eventide series is their GIANT, gorgeous, text display. = Wish all pedals did it that way = :)


On Jun 4, 2012, at 5:48 PM, = todd reynolds wrote:

That's not = something I can answer... I do have the Pitch Factor, and I'd imagine = that the Time Factor is awesome too.

On = Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Jeff Shirkey <jcshirke@frontier.com> wrote:
What does the Timeline = do that the TimeFactor doesn't? I know one thing is the "Ice" delay, = which provides some harmony/pitch shifting along with the delayed = signal. Anything else?

I just pre-ordered a Strymon Flint pedal.

Thanks,

Jeff




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=95 The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011 = - Amazon.com

need me right away? =  Call or text me at 917.576.6166




= --Apple-Mail-9--226218578-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 06:11:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F577183454; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 06:11:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3aEMMcJi6pi6btThtIq0ha06Q5eON5GnDYJaSkdY8zk=; b=X6gmwWjRtrA3sjdQqxPfPG+uYG1iiXMm2jzrOtF0apdc7CA/bvJ9xL0/MQLJ3ebwp5 jkSb/ESqDvlOXkeYpFSog5bQdGQBJXkMTUGD8ScUEMcRRAj/BfxZ7ZdVMZt2E5mcTSVZ /eTqZWCr1LD7an3YfLqeB1Yyi2psCmXOxRGgG5A3S0t2Sq95YARpfr3XXb1jDp4lm9OP XOmpeYPGaFxy2odNHxSfmxcvnRVEs2tfoOJVcF6Z5K9pNedq3ohzNVzDNxizI1Hq0yDZ vHMplniR1kUzHy++k4Kx87YL3rFBftB/Z8PNAFGL5F136eA4ax0DePJsKaA2B6Lsvr7E RGgQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 23:11:33 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Can I have your feedback? From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e68fa33bbc6bfd04c1b3858b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 06:11:35 +0000 (UTC) --0016e68fa33bbc6bfd04c1b3858b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 2 New Live Looping videos. Please guys let me know what you truly think. It seems like I have no luck on getting really feedback through youtube comments. I want to improve so please let me know what you guys honestly think. Both are improvised. Links are below. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3mM5rzJFVM&feature=relmfu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft38SUa33B4&list=UUUFLTkt0Psujhz7lliVSYVw&index=1&feature=plcp --0016e68fa33bbc6bfd04c1b3858b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2 New Live Looping videos. Please guys let me know what you truly think. It= seems like I have no luck on getting really feedback through youtube comme= nts. I want to improve so please let me know what you guys honestly think. = Both are improvised. Links are below.

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--0016e68fa33bbc6bfd04c1b3858b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 09:53:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0B7018345D; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 09:53:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8YIyHn0cQeiMoOpjUs89mKCqoUOJLFQ7zVJaSmyBzpE=; b=OE3b3iaTmkGS3X0NYV1PjYIM/57L1lYrac+59JmTDjW5sMdDZtIKok1AlkipEYaaQE vRgrG4h4Wf6LhbT/R2Ue+LN8uur2Bu6F5qQpBLzp5RnO/CnqP3luOOpvLj4mySikz8qr gVes7VovnzUXWC67my1JBivH78xcmanWxg92gCaxZ1VCyJvcCOBvHOcooBXef6QsLuPm 71Zj7uyd76M35lbzcX4ELOCccWW7LeOJjgjseGvcK8oeTUqal3zYMM2/rgMQrba6Hodn WhnbBrskm2gDS3DuDhEZAAoHfesyz1K7i8WXHZ/tusmx1ARC2Ap3e1pwAtq8tU9Z7QQG WbWA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <02C46DEE-B6AB-401F-BC12-4637683AE7A8@gmail.com> References: <83DAE93C-3208-4EE7-BA46-3C273C1D57A9@frontier.com> <02C46DEE-B6AB-401F-BC12-4637683AE7A8@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 11:53:00 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Strymon... whoa. From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <36k51D.A.3nF.9bdzPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 09:53:01 +0000 (UTC) Cool thread! These are the kind of sounds that inspired me to start using a laptop rig instead of floor and rack mounted boxes (that would break my bank account in a snap). I love those routings with delay and reverb feeding back through a harmonizer stage and I'm also fond of modulation scaled by the input amplitude. Lovely stuff! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 3:03 AM, Phil Clevenger w= rote: > Happy Timeline user here. Thoughtful implementation, great feature set, > great MIDI support. > > Only remaining wish for me: better MIDI access model for switching preset= s. > Other than that it's as good as a DDL pedal can get :) > > Phil > > p.s. One thing I love about the Eventide series is their GIANT, gorgeous, > text display. Wish all pedals did it that way :) > > > On Jun 4, 2012, at 5:48 PM, todd reynolds wrote: > > That's not something I can answer... I do have the Pitch Factor, and I'd > imagine that the Time Factor is awesome too. > > On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrot= e: >> >> What does the Timeline do that the TimeFactor doesn't? I know one thing = is >> the "Ice" delay, which provides some harmony/pitch shifting along with t= he >> delayed signal. Anything else? >> >> I just pre-ordered a Strymon Flint pedal. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jeff >> > > > > -- > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =E2=80=A2 The Best Classical Music of=C2=A0the Year, 2011 - Amazon.com > > =E2=80=A2=C2=A0Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now availab= le wherever > music is sold. 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--_fab2cddf-8fbb-4951-90ff-1f82f35c4aa2_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 17:08:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A46AB18345D; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 17:08:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 778232789/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.23.141/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.23.141 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAIA8zk9YbReN/2dsb2JhbAANOLdZAQEBAwE4QAYLCxgJFg8JAwIBAgFFHAGIAhCofY4tix2CcIMWA5pYjRo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,718,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="778232789" Message-ID: <4FCE3D23.5060108@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 18:08:51 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Can I have your feedback? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 17:08:52 +0000 (UTC) kay'lon rushing wrote: > 2 New Live Looping videos. Please guys let me know what you truly think. Impressive looping technique and playing skills. Imaginative arrangements. Well put together, confidently played. Good stuff. > It seems like I have no luck on getting really feedback through youtube > comments. I want to improve so please let me know what you guys honestly > think. Both are improvised. Links are below. Did not guess they were improv, nice to see the arrangement being kept interesting like that. ok, opinions are subjective, and there's no particular reason to believe my opinions will help you improve ;-) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3mM5rzJFVM&feature=relmfu in this first one, the little organ figure is a bit obtrusive, which draws more attention to it's many repeats than is ideal. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft38SUa33B4&list=UUUFLTkt0Psujhz7lliVSYVw&index=1&feature=plcp whereas in the second one the equivalent organ riff blends into the background and becomes supportive...helping the flow without dominating. Didn't you ask about sounds earlier? Sounds here are well put together, but tend to have a certain "world of Casio" vibe to them. Not to say they are bad sounds, but you'd get a bigger sound world if you also had sounds that were more analog/hifi to go with them. Like with the organ sounds, you *could* replace them with some realistic organ samples...not because they are bad sounds, but because that would give more contrast with the other sounds. If your still reading, then another thing you might think about is getting together some supportive bass lines for your music. Get some sounds which have definition, but don't get in the way of the other instruments. What to aim for is lines that push the rhythm along and fill out the bottom end of the mix but don't draw too much attention to themselves or take up too much space...can't hurt if they sound great when soloed of course. I hope that helps, ...not that I think you *need* help, but you asked. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 17:15:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A512D183463; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 17:15:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KxnHKyPUG+J8dvOVK64D6QJ3njJCnLnKMMQe/seMYY8=; b=NhGLvoE3ivzdLK/ukteEWR4J9haLydzFs1nmKR6w9O7HW+hwwUMgsmkqU6qjA8ySQI 4zhD33N+cCWWRdpmxwa9AUZWnrPUPjV2gWI9iEHF2Lbqz3I+UGZ2a6McH4iEi9IJDwAu xeQ2BJriRMjBfn6Aiq/woBKqIkaCak8bAiHcDJMjDbBwkpgr8/pQ5vqXnU7S7talFAEr F6NQjfs8QDzRkGDMiGGJ4CXTI7Ykx8aXSJSW1m/r1Wl/KOOL0tFCNzXjESWhEjbj7vkQ khuXY3eUoufhH2cfkuitV9t2ENQFNGALLixU2TZ1CcFZNhcdflO5aSk4qNo+HVGpDLP1 Owtg== Message-ID: <4FCE3ED2.70902@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 19:16:02 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Strymon... whoa. References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 17:15:58 +0000 (UTC) Just read the manual nerd-style, it's funny! * converters are specified as 24bit, 96kHz * frequency response is 20-20kHz * the settings for bit depth reduction in lo-fi start at 32 and the next step is 24 * the settings for sample rate reduction start at 96kHz and the next step is 48kHz ;) -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 17:37:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E9C0183464; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 17:37:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 782052228/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.23.141/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.23.141 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAChDzk9YbReN/2dsb2JhbAANOLdbAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBvzmODYMWA5pYjRo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,719,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="782052228" Message-ID: <4FCE43EC.7050606@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 18:37:48 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Strymon... whoa. References: <4FCE3ED2.70902@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <4FCE3ED2.70902@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 17:37:48 +0000 (UTC) A nerd humour classic. Rainer Straschill wrote: > Just read the manual nerd-style, it's funny! > > * converters are specified as 24bit, 96kHz > * frequency response is 20-20kHz > * the settings for bit depth reduction in lo-fi start at 32 and the next > step is 24 > * the settings for sample rate reduction start at 96kHz and the next > step is 48kHz > > ;) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 17:50:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD271183466; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 17:50:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qNgXULFUI5x3N2/sBk+pCsvJuAJzyuV4zrqO4qpPccM=; b=VoGH+1ofJqwX5W/TUNVvewTKKyOF+KojkJUfNP1XCTM0m3wlbczPIOgXsnIvu/tpnb EfC3WQC5ixa7bqzGKns9oizi3f6xoFjXsKxWjwX7FHeKDskotN5VXZwVRTrRNJFy3po1 QSZoJ67jkNQQLpOPYo5Bx8HC2uXLGDw5D/bkQfBlRz2nNcevLcvmvFi2XGvibmV8Y9Cz bAk5At1CQ4pEu5/QNA1KdgE8NNDk/2+eCA7Q/K7XhFPzR3Bp8WMd3n6XBuY6hPJtMkEv ohn6+x/a36chOOx+Eth17DWQoj6FFto4FBr4w56cXdoNEb9+Ohkb+BqXptPTNdjfw9PP Jmkw== Message-ID: <4FCE46FD.2080501@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 19:50:53 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Can I have your feedback? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 17:50:46 +0000 (UTC) Something you might want to watch out for (if it's not by design): there's a lot of out-of-phase stuff going on, especially in the second video. This is usually considered "not good"... (It leads to the thing sounding differently in mono, and a strong dependency on your listening position for the low frequency portions of the spectrum). Rainer > 2 New Live Looping videos. Please guys let me know what you truly > think. It seems like I have no luck on getting really feedback through > youtube comments. I want to improve so please let me know what you > guys honestly think. Both are improvised. Links are below. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3mM5rzJFVM&feature=relmfu > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft38SUa33B4&list=UUUFLTkt0Psujhz7lliVSYVw&index=1&feature=plcp > -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 19:59:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16285183461; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 19:59:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 21:59:49 +0200 (CEST) From: antony hequet Reply-To: antony hequet To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <1592515003.211737.1338926389430.JavaMail.www@wwinf1m16> Subject: battery powered amp & looper MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_211736_272634922.1338926389427" X-Originating-IP: [85.179.72.144] X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 19:59:50 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_211736_272634922.1338926389427 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been checking out battery powered amps because I want to play in the= parcs in Berlin. =C2=A0 So far I found the Traynor TVM50 Travelmate which looks nice andpowerful an= d has two channels =C2=A0 and the Roland AC 33 which has a built in looper =C2=A0 Anybody have experience with these =C2=A0 Any suggestions: I need sometinhg with power to amplify voice, blues harp a= nd chapman stick (as an option because I am not sure I can get decent basse= from a small amp) =C2=A0 Antony Hequet poet composer ------=_Part_211736_272634922.1338926389427 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I have been checking out battery powered amps because I want to play in the parcs in Berlin.

 

So far I found the Traynor TVM50 Travelmate which looks nice andpowerful and has two channels

 

and the Roland AC 33 which has a built in looper

 

Anybody have experience with these

 

Any suggestions: I need sometinhg with power to amplify voice, blues harp and chapman stick (as an option because I am not sure I can get decent basse from a small amp)

 

Antony Hequet

poet composer

------=_Part_211736_272634922.1338926389427-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 21:44:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E121418345D; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 21:44:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1034809956==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120605214433.5799.48120.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 17:44:35 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: recommended listening: Tim Exile's Nuissance Gabbaret Lounge, Tim Exile, 2006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 21:44:40 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============1034809956== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello!=20As=20you=20know,=20we=20post=20a=20lot=20of=20recommended=20listen= ing=20threads=20regarding=20albums=20full=20of=20 loops,=20whether=20they=20be=20live=20loops=20or=20studio=20pop=20music=20l= oops;=20if=20there's=20a=20loop=20on=20every=20...=20 single=20...=20song,=20we=20think=20it's=20worth=20mentioning.=20Well,=20th= is=20album=20happens=20to=20contain=20live=20looping.=20You=20 may=20remember=20Tim=20Exile=20from=20three=20years=20ago,=20opening=20for= =20Imogen=20Heap=20for=20the=20North=20American=20 tour,=20when=20Imogen's=20Ellipse=20CD=20came=20out.=20Well,=20Tim=20Exile,= =20the=20live=20looper=20and=20 remixer,=20has=20been=20doing=20looping=20and=20mixing=20for=20many=20years= .=20Well,=20back=20in=202006,=20he=20did=20an=20 album=20called=20Tim=20Exile's=20Nuissance=20Gabbaret=20Lounge=20(it=20was= =20called=20Gabbaret=20because=20of=20the=20 Gabba=20software=20system=20he=20used).=20I=20must=20warn=20you,=20the=20al= bum=20contains=20some=20profanity.=20At=20one=20point=20 in=20the=20album,=20Exile=20makes=20a=20strange=20beat-boxing=20sound,=20an= d,=201=201/2=20seconds=20later,=20you=20hear=20the=20 sound=20repeated=20in=20loop=20patterns.=20Sometimes,=20he=20will=20improvi= se,=20using=20special=20software.=20Tim=20 Exile's=20Nuissance=20Gabbaret=20Lounge;=20recommended=20for=20every=20loop= er;=20sample=20it=20on=20 amazon.com=20or=20allmusic.com,=20whatever's=20more=20accessible=20for=20yo= u. Tyler=20Z --===============1034809956==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 13:49:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5547918345E; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 13:49:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=VnMfcmxksXC/RlHkHLlMLcAEddeiKC6VisbZxI0Xsck=; b=QkS01nmmfQqXyevMr9yV1TzIU+6/z9MicxQBOer2dta6qKJFZWzBHNi3pjN8yI/FNY nu2z+tCDSEXvtLGnP/IPrDAy7qhEwgUvHHolMZeDM1vEAS0qnxzm9imKt+RTZ2gr8s0V m9l1Ij/fhRm/tYG7WdNx+bhAkr+tkPtf2Qs+DM7AGj+jYByHbCqF/rTeqmMgzKzPXqSa Q3rk5r22sB3DLlhiBQo44P4MTt09RnCgzfBNTlIujt58205tVZuX0OMHuUNiB+e/6Kqz tclffjL+S7PeNMPLBFI2uKhgk1rxMmbrpj9jD2WA5GuIsbbzM86P21tQqgxr93KHRMaJ KKWw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 15:49:14 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: O.T. - Can we listen more deeply and hear more widely the filed of sound all around us ? (J. L. Adams) From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=005045016fd159f5f604c1ce08ad Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 13:49:15 +0000 (UTC) --005045016fd159f5f604c1ce08ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just discovered this musical installation, realized by John Luther Adams It's called "Inuksuit" and it's a large-scale work for up to ninety-nine percussionists playing in a park. I guess some of you may be interested to this. http://vimeo.com/dougperkins/inuksuitmorningside Other links: http://www.indiegogo.com/inuksuit Cheers -fabio www.eterogeneo.com --005045016fd159f5f604c1ce08ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I guess some of you may be interested to this.

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--005045016fd159f5f604c1ce08ad-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 15:08:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3B73183462; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 15:08:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FCF726A.7050208@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 08:08:26 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "kay'lon rushing" CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Can I have your feedback? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 15:08:35 +0000 (UTC) On 6/4/12 11:11 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > 2 New Live Looping videos. Please guys let me know what you truly > think. It seems like I have no luck on getting really feedback through > youtube comments. I want to improve so please let me know what you > guys honestly think. Both are improvised. Links are below. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3mM5rzJFVM&feature=relmfu > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft38SUa33B4&list=UUUFLTkt0Psujhz7lliVSYVw&index=1&feature=plcp > Hi, nice progression of what you've been working on, kay'lon........keep up the good work. For just the first one, here are my attempts at constructive criticism: 1) I don't know if it's just me or not, but when you are attempting a pretty high speed rhythm that has a 16th note feel, I find that it's important to have the ability to make a rock solid metronomic rhythm track. I'm not a quantize nazi by any means, but rhythmic mistakes (or variations from what would be a perfectly quantized drum track) are really amplified, especially at low speed and in this piece, your rhythmic composition is sophisticated and laudable but for me, your execution is inaccurate enough from a perfectly quantized track to be distracting. That said, my wife has accused me of having to "fine toothed" a rhythmic comb at times, so it would be good to hear if others heard what I heard in the tracks. In the case of this track, I think it might be efficacious to record your initial improvized drum track; reduce it to half speed in an Audio Editor (Sound Forge, Audacity, Wavelab, Peak or something equivalent) and compare it to a tightly quantized rhythm that is at the identical tempo and see how accurately you played. Personally, as a music teacher, I would encourage you to start practicing improvised drum beats to a metronome at much slower speeds so that you can sound perfectly quantized at any usual BPM if you *want* to. To paraphrase the great American poet, T. S. Elliot: "It's much more powerful to break the rules of if you know the rules." The same goes for very developing an acute since of metronomic rhythm so that when you play in a non-quantized, human way, it's very effective. In my experiences playing with lots of different musicians in lots of different styles, I can always tell the ones who have spent some amount of time practicing to a quantized drum machine or metronome (set to the sub-pulse of a song and NOT the quarter note......in this particular case, very fast 16th notes). 2) In a lot of your individual tracks, you begin with out effects on an improvised foundational part and then spend a fair amount of time tweaking the effects you use on those tracks before you move on to other parts (even foundational ones) When the effects are turned on the results are always very *overdramatic* for my own tastes. This gives the feel that you are building a track in a self conscious way that, in my estimation, sounds amateurish. Personally (and all aesthetics are really personal), I think foundational tracks, such as initial drum beats, initial bass lines and other rhythmic figures, sound better if they seem like they are composed from the beginning and if they are minimal. Just like even the most ornate of European Cathedrals, they all have a very , very simple base upon which they are built. If you start with tracks like these and then build the rest of the track on top of them, it's always a lot more effective to come back to the tracks and change effects on them (even dramatically). To me, this is what I call "compositional improvisation".............it is an approach that makes the listener think that they are listening to a composed piece that has improvisational elements in it, as opposed to a piece of music that makes the listener feel as if they are being forced to listen to someone develop their musical thoughts in real time. The irony of this approach is that you actually are developing your ideas in real time, but they appear to be thought out from the get go and fool the listener into thinking they are listening to a more developed concept. This foundational approach then allows the listener to really hear the development of the piece. Towards this end, I'd caution you to either begin with some spacialization effects on the drums from the beginning and to tweak them far more subtly if you want to change their timbre in real time or just to be more gradual bringing on powerful effects changes. In general, I'd advise that you be more subtle with your use of verbs, delays and modulation effects or at least more gradual in rolling them onto a totally dry track. Remember, in all of this, you are up against thousands of tracks that people spent hours, days and even weeks producing in electronic music (especially the kind of IDM or somewhat dance oriented approach that you are using stylistically). Because of this sophistication that even the most average of young electronic music fans has (just in the sheer number of tracks that are out in the world already and available for free in cyberspace) it really raises the bar for your improvisations. Remember, processing of existing tracks is still perceived as part of a composition by the listener, no matter how dramatic (or non-dramatic) you make them. In general, I think that less you give away that you are improvising (particularly in this genre of music) the better for your original foundational tracks (those tracks that you will keep statically looping in your piece like your drum beats and organ sounds in this initial track) the more freedom you have to actually improvise with the melodies, themes and sub-parts that you develop in the piece. I hope this is helpful. Please know that I wouldn't take the time to write all of this if I didn't think you were on the right track with your music. Keep up the good work and thanks for sharing it! warmly, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 15:12:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3784183464; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 15:12:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Strymon... whoa. Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 08:12:10 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <1EyUB.A.tRF.RN3zPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 15:12:17 +0000 (UTC) jealousy is such a painful emotion :-) I've been lusting after one of these for quite some time, and have been wringing my hands on whether to jettison my M-9 in favor of one of these or not. My main attachment to the M-9 being the auto volume delay preset, but I understand there is a similar algorithm in the Timeline, so what I want to know is, have any of you tried that particular algorithm in the Time Line and if so how does it respond? I've heard the looper is excellent and more useable than the the Timefactors looper which is really limited by short loop lengths but has cool pitch shifting capability. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 15:21:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADB81183474; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 15:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=VqFwxc9TCKEFsQENgrP4jetkTlC2CxM9IHkHWz1276E=; b=W9KhL0kpJ/f/uMSfeP9hu53R1l+vhnu4dWRa/C2Vdl+QwRtMpqdAqJ5B2V/UmgimHU wT0GXTgRKhvypIEk/vb4yhJBCTrxRerhmuzVfxpq80CaqdoRcPW762UVQo8U6lVR/BKm ywAMB2X4M914MpsTqpSwU6403ht0XVEQzO++U959d4qv7j+a8nic9JuAn+rL0maQRoC7 VTS3spvk+ty4Uzgdl0qjgkyoJKux8zT033dOEVR6abJxnRLDnPl2ZEAIQZVPLelkSc+M ZPsEDnC0gvaOn0glaQEZWhXUuFWFU1/H0kpG5W7tVOgGscYEs8PQ5mGxlZ9P8BTzjcHp JfSw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 10:21:48 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Strymon... whoa. From: Marcus Kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cdc566e4f2104c1cf53c1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 15:21:56 +0000 (UTC) --0015175cdc566e4f2104c1cf53c1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Auto swell isn't that smooth, unfortunately. Hopefully it's resolved in the next update. People are pushing for a similar algorithm to the line six; we'll see. On Jun 6, 2012 10:12 AM, "William Walker" wrote: > jealousy is such a painful emotion :-) I've been lusting after one of > these for quite some time, and have been wringing my hands on whether to > jettison my M-9 in favor of one of these or not. My main attachment to the > M-9 being the auto volume delay preset, but I understand there is a similar > algorithm in the Timeline, so what I want to know is, have any of you tried > that particular algorithm in the Time Line and if so how does it respond? > I've heard the looper is excellent and more useable than the the > Timefactors looper which is really limited by short loop lengths but has > cool pitch shifting capability. > > --0015175cdc566e4f2104c1cf53c1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Auto swell isn't that smooth, unfortunately.=A0 Hopefully it's r= esolved in the next update. People are pushing for a similar algorithm to t= he line six; we'll see.

On Jun 6, 2012 10:12 AM, "William Walker&qu= ot; <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
jealousy is such a painful emotion :-) I've been lusting after one of t= hese for quite some time, and have been wringing my hands on whether to jet= tison my M-9 in favor of one of these or not. My main attachment to the M-9= being the auto volume delay preset, but I understand there is a similar al= gorithm in the Timeline, so what I want to know is, have any of you tried t= hat particular algorithm in the Time Line and if so how does it respond? I&= #39;ve heard the looper is excellent and more useable than the the Timefact= ors looper which is really limited by short loop lengths but has cool pitch= shifting capability.

--0015175cdc566e4f2104c1cf53c1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 15:30:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64C06183465; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 15:30:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=EIv1A8YyRt5yN28e1wrVw6HKXmA0oajj2BeQZOa1/CE=; b=MVc/HC53SmwMzQKfjq0K9ckYqyivOtUi2EkqrfCZUOpWRu7eVn8ilW04FgoihNZ97f pVC8Klj0UZ4Tez30I6tDe3XAcCzvz1ALy8mj1AoPNgaUm7u3ao/kHHFsKPrgfNgrJI/i b+5xvuHs1IZUcGQE8yRObsmwk8VfVyAU14W2tzuHDulg6JA/Y/5+IIu6wwa/fs2EvqqJ NvvDdL39BX3enw90gcwoTpLfnjjxpIih5IvOTgH/o4/oeUhuppsWL2az6DhfN22/4830 xaO21xfAqrEt/IfDwUVLIGLNRKhZyd6+f2vGqbk/847gye12P1l2ON6hrKcX3g+VF/CC 5EGA== From: Phil Clevenger Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-11--87805982 Subject: Re: Strymon... whoa. Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 08:30:46 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: <462400F2-DCFD-472C-9D01-A799AE26EBEB@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 15:30:51 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-11--87805982 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Agreed. TimeLine auto swell is not workable for me, M9 wins that one = hands down. On Jun 6, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Marcus Kirby wrote: > Auto swell isn't that smooth, unfortunately. Hopefully it's resolved = in the next update. People are pushing for a similar algorithm to the = line six; we'll see. >=20 > On Jun 6, 2012 10:12 AM, "William Walker" = wrote: > jealousy is such a painful emotion :-) I've been lusting after one of = these for quite some time, and have been wringing my hands on whether to = jettison my M-9 in favor of one of these or not. My main attachment to = the M-9 being the auto volume delay preset, but I understand there is a = similar algorithm in the Timeline, so what I want to know is, have any = of you tried that particular algorithm in the Time Line and if so how = does it respond? I've heard the looper is excellent and more useable = than the the Timefactors looper which is really limited by short loop = lengths but has cool pitch shifting capability. >=20 --Apple-Mail-11--87805982 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Agreed. TimeLine auto swell is not workable for me, M9 wins that one hands down.

On Jun 6, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Marcus Kirby wrote:

Auto swell isn't that smooth, unfortunately.  Hopefully it's resolved in the next update. People are pushing for a similar algorithm to the line six; we'll see.

On Jun 6, 2012 10:12 AM, "William Walker" <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
jealousy is such a painful emotion :-) I've been lusting after one of these for quite some time, and have been wringing my hands on whether to jettison my M-9 in favor of one of these or not. My main attachment to the M-9 being the auto volume delay preset, but I understand there is a similar algorithm in the Timeline, so what I want to know is, have any of you tried that particular algorithm in the Time Line and if so how does it respond? I've heard the looper is excellent and more useable than the the Timefactors looper which is really limited by short loop lengths but has cool pitch shifting capability.


--Apple-Mail-11--87805982-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 16:13:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 923BB183464; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 16:13:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=IbyqfliURGikDDymha4b46oStS0ycPYeuQcZUVNa+iA=; b=HPgXXA+lmquSg5kMyfmZyPU8oMk1j+Dx7tNuAgEsJnl2B8BIIgq4Ax+Sb/1gEaVe30 a2hwZ3nKe4OKi4Zrw888otJtTRGlJD+KUDUQ21Lz02ojfazBFABpHWgLoVsHRyFsok0g 02RcMQ2q/5RG8SRT8UAZMBxAddnPUhGn1Mjcz+aoxFE2CJTlZ743RO9N4DYYZL6ZONaz +GaqVXQlLMf2cakKiyg9GirvfZft4YLp5AQrCjSHLo9Vyu51HpmC5Dkh5GtXBLIT4p6g Zgj4W/eX8EcjIPOk1gEfPGN0feRJ7OrHzJuiiBgYoNSdilzHmPTKPQqGSNxCuflMqrgf o/kA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <462400F2-DCFD-472C-9D01-A799AE26EBEB@gmail.com> References: <462400F2-DCFD-472C-9D01-A799AE26EBEB@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 11:13:06 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Strymon... whoa. From: Marcus Kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec5555238d8fe4e04c1d00afe Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 16:13:07 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec5555238d8fe4e04c1d00afe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Terry and ethan worked at line six, so surely they can come up with something. Maybe it has to do with the parallel signal.I don't think the effect is in serial. On Jun 6, 2012 10:31 AM, "Phil Clevenger" wrote: > Agreed. TimeLine auto swell is not workable for me, M9 wins that one hands > down. > > On Jun 6, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Marcus Kirby wrote: > > Auto swell isn't that smooth, unfortunately. Hopefully it's resolved in > the next update. People are pushing for a similar algorithm to the line > six; we'll see. > On Jun 6, 2012 10:12 AM, "William Walker" wrote: > >> jealousy is such a painful emotion :-) I've been lusting after one of >> these for quite some time, and have been wringing my hands on whether to >> jettison my M-9 in favor of one of these or not. My main attachment to the >> M-9 being the auto volume delay preset, but I understand there is a similar >> algorithm in the Timeline, so what I want to know is, have any of you tried >> that particular algorithm in the Time Line and if so how does it respond? >> I've heard the looper is excellent and more useable than the the >> Timefactors looper which is really limited by short loop lengths but has >> cool pitch shifting capability. >> >> > --bcaec5555238d8fe4e04c1d00afe Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Terry and ethan worked at line six, so surely they can come up with some= thing. Maybe it has to do with the parallel signal.I don't think the ef= fect is in serial.

On Jun 6, 2012 10:31 AM, "Phil Clevenger&qu= ot; <phil.clevenger@gmail.co= m> wrote:
Agreed. TimeLine auto swell is not work= able for me, M9 wins that one hands down.

On Jun 6, 2012,= at 8:21 AM, Marcus Kirby wrote:

Auto= swell isn't that smooth, unfortunately.=A0 Hopefully it's resolved= in the next update. People are pushing for a similar algorithm to the line= six; we'll see.

On Jun 6, 2012 10:12 AM, "William Walker&qu= ot; <billwal= ker@baymoon.com> wrote:
jealousy is such a painful emotion :-) I've been lusting after one of t= hese for quite some time, and have been wringing my hands on whether to jet= tison my M-9 in favor of one of these or not. My main attachment to the M-9= being the auto volume delay preset, but I understand there is a similar al= gorithm in the Timeline, so what I want to know is, have any of you tried t= hat particular algorithm in the Time Line and if so how does it respond? I&= #39;ve heard the looper is excellent and more useable than the the Timefact= ors looper which is really limited by short loop lengths but has cool pitch= shifting capability.


--bcaec5555238d8fe4e04c1d00afe-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 19:32:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27A6E183461; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 19:32:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 778637682/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.28.116/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.28.116 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAPGvz09YbRx0/2dsb2JhbAANOLdVAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYgCuF2OG4MWA5pdjRs X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,726,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="778637682" Message-ID: <4FCFB04E.6070305@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 20:32:30 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Can I have your feedback? References: <4FCF726A.7050208@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4FCF726A.7050208@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 19:32:27 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > your execution is inaccurate enough from a > perfectly quantized track to be distracting. > That said, ....... > it would be good to hear > if others heard what I heard in the tracks. > no, except that repeating organ figure in piece did seem a bit lumpy.. ...but I thought that was to do with the accents as much as the timing. thought Kaylon's timing was fine not forgetting that my perspective is from someone who hopes that music will eventually fully recover from the mistakes of the 80's. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 20:43:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E60D4183464; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 20:43:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-06-06_04:2012-05-21,2012-06-06,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1206060234 Subject: Re: Can I have your feedback? From: Teddy Kumpel In-reply-to: <4FCF726A.7050208@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 16:43:20 -0400 Message-id: <1032BAE4-D061-4C1A-957A-61C679BC77AB@mac.com> References: <4FCF726A.7050208@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 20:43:23 +0000 (UTC) damn Rick.... that WAS helpful !!! You know how to break it down On Jun 6, 2012, at 11:08 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > > I hope this is helpful. Please know that I wouldn't take the time to write all of this if I didn't think you > were on the right track with your music. > > Keep up the good work and thanks for sharing it! > > warmly, Rick Walker > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 21:13:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1602183463; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 21:13:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 06 Jun 2012 21:13:52 UTC References: <462400F2-DCFD-472C-9D01-A799AE26EBEB@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <462400F2-DCFD-472C-9D01-A799AE26EBEB@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9DA41DED-B820-46EC-BB77-14654B3FEB2A Message-Id: <4A2A099E-1FA9-4413-BA29-222567F739A6@grubmah.com> Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Strymon... whoa. Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 14:07:07 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: <-BOMg.A.szC.Qg8zPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 21:13:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9DA41DED-B820-46EC-BB77-14654B3FEB2A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Would it make sense to use an Echo Park strictly as an Auto Swell? Mark On Jun 6, 2012, at 8:30 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote:= > Agreed. TimeLine auto swell is not workable for me, M9 wins that one hands= down. >=20 > On Jun 6, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Marcus Kirby wrote: >=20 >> Auto swell isn't that smooth, unfortunately. Hopefully it's resolved in t= he next update. People are pushing for a similar algorithm to the line six; w= e'll see. >>=20 >> On Jun 6, 2012 10:12 AM, "William Walker" wrote:= >> jealousy is such a painful emotion :-) I've been lusting after one of the= se for quite some time, and have been wringing my hands on whether to jettis= on my M-9 in favor of one of these or not. My main attachment to the M-9 bei= ng the auto volume delay preset, but I understand there is a similar algorit= hm in the Timeline, so what I want to know is, have any of you tried that pa= rticular algorithm in the Time Line and if so how does it respond? I've hear= d the looper is excellent and more useable than the the Timefactors looper w= hich is really limited by short loop lengths but has cool pitch shifting cap= ability. >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-9DA41DED-B820-46EC-BB77-14654B3FEB2A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Would it make sense to use an Echo Park strictly as an Auto Swell?

Mark

On Jun 6, 2012, at 8:30 AM, Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:

Agreed. TimeLine auto swell is not workable for me, M9 wins that one hands down.

On Jun 6, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Marcus Kirby wrote:

Auto swell isn't that smooth, unfortunately.  Hopefully it's resolved in the next update. People are pushing for a similar algorithm to the line six; we'll see.

On Jun 6, 2012 10:12 AM, "William Walker" <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
jealousy is such a painful emotion :-) I've been lusting after one of these for quite some time, and have been wringing my hands on whether to jettison my M-9 in favor of one of these or not. My main attachment to the M-9 being the auto volume delay preset, but I understand there is a similar algorithm in the Timeline, so what I want to know is, have any of you tried that particular algorithm in the Time Line and if so how does it respond? I've heard the looper is excellent and more useable than the the Timefactors looper which is really limited by short loop lengths but has cool pitch shifting capability.


--Apple-Mail-9DA41DED-B820-46EC-BB77-14654B3FEB2A-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 21:23:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76CCA183464; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 21:23:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=aLEv10T1yxa4GmbW4ilc7cxVUrff7fkERd6uJWa81ak=; b=IOVthWXlmXbaSPL3caJ0asNgMQwF1NvpyaaL/geVXkfiiU2rqIHAGaGz0lPf5LmIDf paWh+U/YjNTh30nnHrLcGL1CKBrOwkeVOz3657sFlCX0LqAKTFBWEZyrzk1K4kRZoFnW 7+DRnWrzxRnBF6kTrxxlWC4KobEMKwERd8sJpdvmhoL8sUu7GT4VRwUkb/hHj+s8zhD9 Tr+dJGEdcrxe06Xippj2YAJQzcqKy+YmpoRsbTSYuPYprux/5ZBssObeqdNZ4EjXS1sv CFZCKPnNyKvpDVumLPnnSllD3B1ahxfuPxCxp3HLm7mTd/HB0rs99m+QB2FO8sREk6pZ VxuQ== Message-ID: <4FCFCA39.8000308@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 23:23:05 +0200 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Can I have your feedback? References: <4FCF726A.7050208@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4FCF726A.7050208@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 21:23:03 +0000 (UTC) I found this really interesting, as Rick said: > I'm not a quantize nazi by any means, but rhythmic mistakes (or > variations from what would be a perfectly quantized > drum track) are really amplified, especially at low speed and in this > piece, your rhythmic composition is sophisticated > and laudable but for me, your execution is inaccurate enough from a > perfectly quantized track to be distracting. > That said, my wife has accused me of having to "fine toothed" a > rhythmic comb at times, so it would be good to hear > if others heard what I heard in the tracks. On which Andy commented: "no, except that repeating organ figure in piece did seem a bit lumpy.. " I, too, had been hearing what rick describes (the inaccurateness that is destracting, even a little disturbing when the drums are first laid down), then I found that when the track develops that it works like that "run of the mill groove with a twist" effect - and was curious what others, especially guys like "I learned to play precisely like a drum machine with any swing setting in single-percent steps" Rick perceived. Then again: if this was unintended, it might just be that the next time you play it, it will end up just a tad bit too sloppy to work well, so it might be advisable to practice this. If it was by design - then well done imo ;). Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 23:38:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01678183460; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 23:38:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 867705.28319.bm@omp1006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1339025936; bh=zjQHkCewhWqyGmwQKEC2YHHa3TW0YxA1/HPl0RXzZ14=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5oDSIaSvER/pqfBabLDijbb8Ns8smB7/BYlaMt7BorronE4S6qC/HblPXjJhgqCR6qmhLpCuNZmEOCksLqCeX91GPcD/SDrSN4J06VHkvclI64sqeDf3TObd5IlYWogDjsbP38CGY6E0rOjhmbFmBe9UjCmP9a5K0XHyRS4Nan0= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CEudswT5yEAGM3UbthBjagtJeKLJ7lovUo04H3rcGGQ73K9ucKa1Jkme0DK2Es9d1ftjM6kB7+N1bWOdJXLqgTAacbWcWEAcq9GAts/0QydWNPHWadwpOSP+5NFuX25eeK3P+55P+rr5yMgf4uRaxOk2KCThkhRoauEdcCjUsPI=; X-YMail-OSG: jq7cnKcVM1nLJBIoL3RuaVCAw03I2HOTGY1zBvQ4FBtF8Er UDKTviDq0dI0L3NcA8mO7V49IYBGWVk4CzeEvKNzgYJLAE2gi7A8D1nLkHXz PGPXc3E12c1nGy0cXLRZudcf6aWW76QpvfET2Wo3v7MCsWwYjS5TIS2dz6lA 28C7xg8WQcETzhsJT3PqBPtCTT7JC6OkaesP1MToIcxCY9SyJGPUUfJ_F4z9 0qMmHRmdtIYVAwsOMJXos8qw7EfZKZYVFl1URIpyE5wCbyAfvvFJXrelTfdP Iju18cgAhFKy.hH3xY.ssLYbCppJ_k0l0bgwkyyyPavZw4O3uQVjB0z5Jg7v rubMRsEQU_KMmYw6tGQFt3DpVivSXumFnGg9qwZ956HXfAWG0AJdpOJpiAWR WP95UXP0rHlitcupXYFw.mAhqYGjYewqjOKd_BWCMrRP._lbM9eHnM0M_.3_ FAmcuYUKNbk_tYmfeL4ILDSAfDT5tBtW_mFzXcICPf2mXljnrEUxgYg-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <462400F2-DCFD-472C-9D01-A799AE26EBEB@gmail.com> <4A2A099E-1FA9-4413-BA29-222567F739A6@grubmah.com> Message-ID: <1339025936.1412.YahooMailNeo@web160704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 16:38:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Reply-To: Paul Richards Subject: Re: Strymon... whoa. To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <4A2A099E-1FA9-4413-BA29-222567F739A6@grubmah.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-672873354-1614484782-1339025936=:1412" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 23:38:57 +0000 (UTC) ---672873354-1614484782-1339025936=:1412 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Or the M5 (which I use). I also have listened to the Strymon Timeline and h= ave been very impressed (for the kind of stuff I do anyway). I plan on it b= eing my next effect purchase.=0A=A0=0AP=0A =0A=0A__________________________= ______=0A From: Mark Hamburg =0ATo: "Loopers-Delight@loop= ers-delight.com" =0ACc: "Loopers-Deli= ght@loopers-delight.com" =0ASent: Wed= nesday, June 6, 2012 5:07 PM=0ASubject: Re: Strymon... whoa.=0A =0A=0AWoul= d it make sense to use an Echo Park strictly as an Auto Swell?=0A=0AMark=0A= =0AOn Jun 6, 2012, at 8:30 AM, Phil Clevenger wr= ote:=0A=0A=0AAgreed. TimeLine auto swell is not workable for me, M9 wins th= at one hands down.=0A>=0A>=0A>On Jun 6, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Marcus Kirby wrot= e:=0A>=0A>Auto swell isn't that smooth, unfortunately.=A0 Hopefully it's re= solved in the next update. People are pushing for a similar algorithm to th= e line six; we'll see. =0A>>On Jun 6, 2012 10:12 AM, "William Walker" wrote:=0A>>=0A>>jealousy is such a painful emotion :-) = I've been lusting after one of these for quite some time, and have been wri= nging my hands on whether to jettison my M-9 in favor of one of these or no= t. My main attachment to the M-9 being the auto volume delay preset, but I = understand there is a similar algorithm in the Timeline, so what I want to = know is, have any of you tried that particular algorithm in the Time Line a= nd if so how does it respond? I've heard the looper is excellent and more u= seable than the the Timefactors looper which is really limited by short loo= p lengths but has cool pitch shifting capability.=0A>>>=0A>>> =0A> ---672873354-1614484782-1339025936=:1412 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Or the M5 = (which I use). I also have listened to the Strymon Timeline and have been v= ery impressed (for the kind of stuff I do anyway). I plan on it being my ne= xt effect purchase.
 
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From: Mark Hamburg <mark@= grubmah.com>
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.= com>
Cc: "Loopers-D= elight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 6,= 2012 5:07 PM
Subject:= Re: Strymon... whoa.

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Would it make sense to use an Echo Park strictly as an Auto Swell?=

Mark

On Jun 6, 2012, at 8:30 AM, Phil Clev= enger <phil.clevenger@gm= ail.com> wrote:

Agreed. TimeLine auto swell is not workable for me, M9 wins that one han= ds down.

On Jun 6, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Marcus Kirby wrote:<= /div>
Auto swell isn't that smooth, unfortunately.  Hopefully= it's resolved in the next update. People are pushing for a similar algorit= hm to the line six; we'll see.
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On Jun 6, 2012 10:12 AM, "William Walker" <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
=0Ajealousy is such a painful emotion :-) I've b= een lusting after one of these for quite some time, and have been wringing = my hands on whether to jettison my M-9 in favor of one of these or not. My = main attachment to the M-9 being the auto volume delay preset, but I unders= tand there is a similar algorithm in the Timeline, so what I want to know i= s, have any of you tried that particular algorithm in the Time Line and if = so how does it respond? I've heard the looper is excellent and more useable= than the the Timefactors looper which is really limited by short loop leng= ths but has cool pitch shifting capability.
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---672873354-1614484782-1339025936=:1412-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 00:39:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FD17183462; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 00:39:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <462400F2-DCFD-472C-9D01-A799AE26EBEB@gmail.com> <4A2A099E-1FA9-4413-BA29-222567F739A6@grubmah.com> <1339025936.1412.YahooMailNeo@web160704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1339025936.1412.YahooMailNeo@web160704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-F4681E23-FA16-4FB5-BABA-829A67601961 Message-Id: <568EC434-33D7-4BA1-9547-9598E7214F56@grubmah.com> Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Strymon... whoa. Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 17:39:22 -0700 To: Paul Richards Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 00:39:30 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-F4681E23-FA16-4FB5-BABA-829A67601961 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have an M5. The Echo Park enjoys a size advantage. Mark On Jun 6, 2012, at 4:38 PM, Paul Richards wrot= e: > Or the M5 (which I use). I also have listened to the Strymon Timeline and h= ave been very impressed (for the kind of stuff I do anyway). I plan on it be= ing my next effect purchase. > =20 > P >=20 > From: Mark Hamburg > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" =20 > Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" =20 > Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 5:07 PM > Subject: Re: Strymon... whoa. >=20 > Would it make sense to use an Echo Park strictly as an Auto Swell? >=20 > Mark >=20 > On Jun 6, 2012, at 8:30 AM, Phil Clevenger wrot= e: >=20 >> Agreed. TimeLine auto swell is not workable for me, M9 wins that one hand= s down. >>=20 >> On Jun 6, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Marcus Kirby wrote: >>=20 >>> Auto swell isn't that smooth, unfortunately. Hopefully it's resolved in= the next update. People are pushing for a similar algorithm to the line six= ; we'll see. >>> On Jun 6, 2012 10:12 AM, "William Walker" wrote= : >>> jealousy is such a painful emotion :-) I've been lusting after one of th= ese for quite some time, and have been wringing my hands on whether to jetti= son my M-9 in favor of one of these or not. My main attachment to the M-9 be= ing the auto volume delay preset, but I understand there is a similar algori= thm in the Timeline, so what I want to know is, have any of you tried that p= articular algorithm in the Time Line and if so how does it respond? I've hea= rd the looper is excellent and more useable than the the Timefactors looper w= hich is really limited by short loop lengths but has cool pitch shifting cap= ability. >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-F4681E23-FA16-4FB5-BABA-829A67601961 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
I have an M5. The Echo Par= k enjoys a size advantage.

Mark

On Jun 6, 20= 12, at 4:38 PM, Paul Richards <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com> wrote:

Or the M5 (which I use). I also have listened to the Strymon Timeline and h= ave been very impressed (for the kind of stuff I do anyway). I plan on it be= ing my next effect purchase.
 
= P

=
<= b>From: Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com>
To: "Loopers-Delight@loo= pers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>= ;
Sent: Wednesday, Jun= e 6, 2012 5:07 PM
Subject:<= /b> Re: Strymon... whoa.

Would it make sense to use an Echo Park s= trictly as an Auto Swell?

Mark

On Jun 6, 201= 2, at 8:30 AM, Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:

Agreed. TimeLine auto swell is not workable for me, M= 9 wins that one hands down.

On Jun 6, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Ma= rcus Kirby wrote:

=
Auto swell isn't that smooth, unfortunately.&= nbsp; Hopefully it's resolved in the next update. People are pushing for a s= imilar algorithm to the line six; we'll see.
On Jun 6, 2012 10:12 AM, "William Wa= lker" <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
jealousy is such a painful emotion :-) I've been lusting after one of these f= or quite some time, and have been wringing my hands on whether to jettison m= y M-9 in favor of one of these or not. My main attachment to the M-9 being t= he auto volume delay preset, but I understand there is a similar algorithm i= n the Timeline, so what I want to know is, have any of you tried that partic= ular algorithm in the Time Line and if so how does it respond? I've heard th= e looper is excellent and more useable than the the Timefactors looper which= is really limited by short loop lengths but has cool pitch shifting capabil= ity.




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= --Apple-Mail-F4681E23-FA16-4FB5-BABA-829A67601961-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 02:00:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 311FF183460; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 02:00:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <9E6D43A7-29DF-4A63-82CF-A15F3EDF3B80@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Strymon... whoa. Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 19:00:36 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 02:00:44 +0000 (UTC) > Would it make sense to use an Echo Park strictly as an Auto Swell? > > Mark Not for me, I rely on morphing between two slightly different attack rates and also between two different settings of delay mix and feedback depth. the echo park has very little parameter control. I'm still hounding a couple of manufacturers every month or so to build a really useable ADSR is a pedal, so far OWA seems to be the only one interested in doing it and it may take a while before he has a working prototype. meanwhile i will have my M-9 modded. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 02:24:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B0A4183461; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 02:24:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=SFhG896IM5YmaSi8S1SOetcP1acPuZ3kphWucBqokxs=; b=uIPsozs0an3wEujCR7Ho8PH6FAdnXSozUnlnn4KXcgfdM9/5pELtd06IiGSTiJWgZQ Cqf67fXOv1Bk26TGVOQvq4MHgDkkuy9kDykkEvZ1TrqlVLU1lY5Clt5ACBzuC03hJx4j O513W5ZhdhvRpwdqNnW23P5Ytsj2mkXFm/4kZtTDle19bIjPLDKverUS8KJZQ12aBQAJ 8+8PG/zS1Xlg9kdRYgw25CTOn083UjFDWbg7GRvYBtAykfzU4zUboCdRJR6MBsZM/1Rj vHCNf45s7HcPE2xgvrNOg+PaSeLvugwuZZUDC4xhDyg9zMYda3Jk6BjebzCn2HIZ6STH R3TA== From: Phil Clevenger Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-23--48559859 Subject: Re: Strymon... whoa. Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 19:24:52 -0700 In-Reply-To: <9E6D43A7-29DF-4A63-82CF-A15F3EDF3B80@baymoon.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <9E6D43A7-29DF-4A63-82CF-A15F3EDF3B80@baymoon.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 02:24:57 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-23--48559859 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anyone try this? http://www.vfepedals.com/bumblebee.html I might do if I were inclined to lose the M9 but I am not... Phil :) On Jun 6, 2012, at 7:00 PM, William Walker wrote: >> Would it make sense to use an Echo Park strictly as an Auto Swell? >>=20 >> Mark >=20 > Not for me, I rely on morphing between two slightly different attack = rates and also between two different settings of delay mix and feedback = depth. the echo park has very little parameter control. I'm still = hounding a couple of manufacturers every month or so to build a really = useable ADSR is a pedal, so far OWA seems to be the only one interested = in doing it and it may take a while before he has a working prototype. = meanwhile i will have my M-9 modded. > Bill >=20 --Apple-Mail-23--48559859 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii http://www.vfepedals.com/= bumblebee.html

I might do if I were = inclined to lose the M9 but I am not...

Phil = :)


On Jun 6, 2012, at 7:00 PM, = William Walker wrote:

Would it make sense to use = an Echo Park strictly as an Auto Swell?

Mark

Not for me,  I rely on = morphing between two slightly different  attack rates and also = between two different settings  of delay mix and feedback depth. =  the echo park has very little parameter control. I'm still = hounding a couple of manufacturers every month or so to build a really = useable ADSR is a pedal, so far OWA seems to be the only one interested = in doing it and it may take a while before he has a working prototype. =  meanwhile i will have my M-9 modded.
= Bill


= --Apple-Mail-23--48559859-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 03:58:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA5A718345E; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 03:58:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 487 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 03:58:21 UTC References: <9E6D43A7-29DF-4A63-82CF-A15F3EDF3B80@baymoon.com> In-Reply-To: <9E6D43A7-29DF-4A63-82CF-A15F3EDF3B80@baymoon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Strymon... whoa. Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 20:50:12 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 03:58:21 +0000 (UTC) VFE makes a compressor combined with a swell. http://www.vfepedals.com/bumblebee.html Mark On Jun 6, 2012, at 7:00 PM, William Walker wrote: >> Would it make sense to use an Echo Park strictly as an Auto Swell? >>=20 >> Mark >=20 > Not for me, I rely on morphing between two slightly different attack rat= es and also between two different settings of delay mix and feedback depth.= the echo park has very little parameter control. I'm still hounding a coup= le of manufacturers every month or so to build a really useable ADSR is a pe= dal, so far OWA seems to be the only one interested in doing it and it may t= ake a while before he has a working prototype. meanwhile i will have my M-9= modded. > Bill >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 04:57:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C912183460; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 04:57:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ejq9gFT5eB1Z9TR4w18NK2XP3Q1M8qi0myvT2sqiMTQ=; b=VxZEsRntYdCumJC8l9XNZaUDz9+YMY6cIoBDHdmZYEQVbub3w3MewvXHQ3l/QL6NwA YonkeCV48KwDuB0ckiL2CYpeDqqrUVR0fScvaVIBrLFPjdu+ukd6t3DgNhDe8qUkBonQ tuBSSmaQFlA6FS83NBG8MHWqQOZwcAEMHo5U+PrLLr3MhexTe6aRPueAv/FHpjTMPYHQ kOiULq5nBvQeEz+gZR+XbnUldVixZtsR+NC2ZHBssYeDt39XO+d4dtEfFCcBnHveGLKv iDRZR+pz8BAF5DALnjXXSN4OsWolnzjwz298nB/HtAt9Oye5UkXm5qxsUSsFSZAadOCR SWig== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <9E6D43A7-29DF-4A63-82CF-A15F3EDF3B80@baymoon.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 23:57:23 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Strymon... whoa. From: Marcus Kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cdfd658314fa304c1dab818 Resent-Message-ID: <4Lq2OD.A.roH.1SD0PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 04:57:25 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cdfd658314fa304c1dab818 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just want a simple swell pedal that triggers to a click track. On Jun 6, 2012 10:58 PM, "Mark Hamburg" wrote: > VFE makes a compressor combined with a swell. > > http://www.vfepedals.com/bumblebee.html > > Mark > > On Jun 6, 2012, at 7:00 PM, William Walker wrote: > > >> Would it make sense to use an Echo Park strictly as an Auto Swell? > >> > >> Mark > > > > Not for me, I rely on morphing between two slightly different attack > rates and also between two different settings of delay mix and feedback > depth. the echo park has very little parameter control. I'm still hounding > a couple of manufacturers every month or so to build a really useable ADSR > is a pedal, so far OWA seems to be the only one interested in doing it and > it may take a while before he has a working prototype. meanwhile i will > have my M-9 modded. > > Bill > > > > > > --000e0cdfd658314fa304c1dab818 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I just want a simple swell pedal that triggers to a click track.

On Jun 6, 2012 10:58 PM, "Mark Hamburg"= ; <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
VFE makes a compressor combined with a swell.

http:= //www.vfepedals.com/bumblebee.html

Mark

On Jun 6, 2012, at 7:00 PM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:

>> Would it make sense to use an Echo Park strictly as an Auto Swell?=
>>
>> Mark
>
> Not for me, =A0I rely on morphing between two slightly different =A0at= tack rates and also between two different settings =A0of delay mix and feed= back depth. =A0the echo park has very little parameter control. I'm sti= ll hounding a couple of manufacturers every month or so to build a really u= seable ADSR is a pedal, so far OWA seems to be the only one interested in d= oing it and it may take a while before he has a working prototype. =A0meanw= hile i will have my M-9 modded.
> Bill
>
>

--000e0cdfd658314fa304c1dab818-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 05:39:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60D66183460; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 05:39:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <9E6D43A7-29DF-4A63-82CF-A15F3EDF3B80@baymoon.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-080EA3D7-4D5B-4C70-8C88-E74219A1D3C5 Message-Id: <7A47D539-09D2-44B7-BCDE-6D6206AB1164@grubmah.com> Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Swells (was Re: Strymon... whoa.) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 22:39:07 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: <7RTcn.A.GF.B6D0PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 05:39:13 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-080EA3D7-4D5B-4C70-8C88-E74219A1D3C5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jun 6, 2012, at 9:57 PM, Marcus Kirby wrote: > I just want a simple swell pedal that triggers to a click track. > Wouldn't a tempo synced tremolo handle that? Mark --Apple-Mail-080EA3D7-4D5B-4C70-8C88-E74219A1D3C5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On Jun 6, 2012, at 9:57 PM, Marcus Kirby <marcusloops@gmail.com> wrote:

I just want a simple swell pedal that triggers to a click track.


Wouldn't a tempo synced tremolo handle that?

Mark

--Apple-Mail-080EA3D7-4D5B-4C70-8C88-E74219A1D3C5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 06:04:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1172F18345B; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 06:04:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FD04468.8000101@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 23:04:24 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Can I have your feedback? References: <4FCFCA39.8000308@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <4FCFCA39.8000308@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 06:04:33 +0000 (UTC) On 6/6/12 2:23 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > I, too, had been hearing what rick describes (the inaccurateness that > is destracting, even a little disturbing when the drums are first laid > down), then I found that when the track develops that it works like > that "run of the mill groove with a twist" effect - and was curious > what others, especially guys like "I learned to play precisely like a > drum machine with any swing setting in single-percent steps" Rick > perceived. > > Then again: if this was unintended, it might just be that the next > time you play it, it will end up just a tad bit too sloppy to work > well, so it might be advisable to practice this. If it was by design - > then well done imo ;). > > Very astute observation, Rainer. Sometimes a quite lumpy performed loop will work really organically as a piece of music proceeds. In lectures about live looping and timing to the Percussion Arts Seminar annual convention, I have pointed out how one can use an inaccurate loop by how the subsequent tracks fall are composed to lay on top of it. Unfortunately, if it's perceived as lumpy to begin with, you get off to a 'bad start' with the audience. I've played with musicians from many different world cultures that have "molays" or rhythmic grooves that vary quite a bit from metronomically quantized time. From the way Algerians play their triplets to the way Rio Brazilians perform their parts on Ganza, Repinique, Caixa-Ca and Tamborim; the way Malinkan djembe drummers 'swing' their djembe parts in a way that is NOT triplet swing to the way New Orleans' Second Line drummers barely swing their parts in a way that is not even consistent, there are great grooves in the world that are not metronomic, but the fact of the matter is, those different feels have been worked out over dozens to hundreds of years with the very best and most accomplished musicians in the culture. Some drummers groove their asses off......some don't. There are metronomically and anally clean trapset drummers who could get a 'Gold Medal' in the drumming Olympics who are painful to listen to from my experience. But.........and it's a huge 'but', there is such a thing as playing rhythmically inaccurate parts that sound 'wrong' in most people's books. To me, I think it behooves anyone to learn how to play as perfectly metronomic as possible........to put long,long hours into being as 'robot-like' as possible. An early mentor of mine (a guitarist) said, "Every song can groove at every tempo .............He said, "It's your job to FIND the groove at any given tempo." It was one of many, many wise things that he taught me. To play 'Sunshine of your Love' at 80 BPM, you are going to have to play the snare drum significantly behind the beat to make the slow tempo feel *heavier* just as you may need to play perfectly metronomic if you take the same tune at 140 BPM. If you can groove at any speed, then it becomes very much easier to hear how other musicians put their own feel (playing ahead of the beat, behind the beat, swing it, stretching rhythms (like Afro-Cuban/Brazilian drummers). I, myself, after having to learn how to play to click tracks, drum machines and sequencers in those 80's recording sessions that Andy is so anxious to get away from (and I feel ya, Andy, on that one) I remember that I had to drive around with the famous "Bateria Nota 10" cassette in my car, just listening to the Brazilian musicians's feel for hours at a time before I began to 'get' what they were doing. Now that we live in the computer age, it is not difficult to take an audio sample wave form and analyze it as it lays against a perfectly quantized drum machine part.............move your midi notes to coincide with the sampled wave form's *feel*; loop it and then play to it over and over until you get how the rhythm feels (and how it varies from *perfect*). I wish I'd had these tools in the late 70's and throughout the 80's..............it's amazing how we can use our technology (and, indeed, our live loopers) to teach ourselves how to play with "what is" as opposed to what we wish it is. The worst thing that can happen, practicing with a metronome is that you can become a much deeper musician, rhythmically speaking. From my experience, rhythmically deep musicians are pretty rare. A lot of musicians have a good feel but are limited in what else they can do besides what they know or naturally intuit. Very few have really gone the extra mile and worked their asses off getting *as tight as you can be*. Everyone I've ever met who has done that work, to be truthful, was at the top of their game and many have been what their cultures would call, "Masters". with respect, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 11:04:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4BC0183460; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 11:04:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:reply-to:x-priority:references :in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to:from:date :content-type:mime-version; bh=wqbyNtWR5XiNlv3iTxMauM7tPpnYluh9bK0pLKOu3eQ=; b=SJS9iShRTSCv4AMVYT1J+nzq00A2yWsIkOEQKqoeNdSk0aHPg4pxCivrlQzBTFDu7/ 7lM816MKTZjmv8+/op9eA4DtgYfbHeSMo/H6oo0RAOMjXQPSFdWdVWi0cHQqCzCHtQkV xddQ/XwTUOCUKEwlffzQ7SouF4f1lYDKt5ckL3HUFtiSPll9R4Up6F12cthMJqJiqqKc ycKnH96OMfcDZXB1/h3cy4HXf/j+OtcqBc9+Q5h6hybkir+HzMVMM9+c4uLLoT/IGpbu kKafHhtxO4pI4XUVtJ5VPfE4Pb4SGRBokiX+rFuKuyVbIwI/PO2wkxp+lSEyxY67qJ20 z/HA== X-rim-org-msg-ref-id:931161241 Message-ID:<931161241-1339067053-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-220013992-@b3.c25.bise6.blackberry> Reply-To: willgough@gmail.com X-Priority: Normal References: <9E6D43A7-29DF-4A63-82CF-A15F3EDF3B80@baymoon.com> <7A47D539-09D2-44B7-BCDE-6D6206AB1164@grubmah.com> In-Reply-To: <7A47D539-09D2-44B7-BCDE-6D6206AB1164@grubmah.com> Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal Subject: Re: Swells (was Re: Strymon... whoa.) 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Thu, 7 Jun 2012 12:12:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=nWLXxmqs6vIiy8+DdnBzfK2+xstKialXmoq8M/hZEow=; b=yq0VsPb+RLFnhAUA0+VdI0qv6S16FpJku3/pJSpxs/BDlyMv8BefRPwfI6n10AwQX3 NU6m+srmEtMSxBE0vqchcdD+xRTT0Pat/B63xRs/koPuWS4Fj1buh1tIyQ++9zHYe/72 ZOSrulyTGeqPBA4pVJSGDQ8PujT/gwGQOP8kLXl6YZ2z7O9NT8hisjUTpUh3kXNCXN6+ m3xZ7Fs9j/Wiz/eM04oGWMOuWir9tZePLEK1b3V7XwQ2oYlAyDOuJ9uLeZHttlxbF+lF KqkFD1nQBkFXQbVxIumayY9umy0nz0GK86U2Wv9o/Jk3YCyOtv76+Q2Etp6dn9ZWvg3c ywdA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7A47D539-09D2-44B7-BCDE-6D6206AB1164@grubmah.com> References: <9E6D43A7-29DF-4A63-82CF-A15F3EDF3B80@baymoon.com> <7A47D539-09D2-44B7-BCDE-6D6206AB1164@grubmah.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 07:12:58 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Swells (was Re: Strymon... whoa.) From: Marcus Kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151744136cecb1f104c1e0cdb3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 12:12:59 +0000 (UTC) --00151744136cecb1f104c1e0cdb3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It would. The lightfoot labs goatkeeper does that, but it is not the proper pedal. I should ask the builder if he would make something similar, but with only a ramp up and no sequencer. I use the goatkeeper for trem, and send sawtooth lfo to the cv input of my pigtronix philosopher king adsr. It does something weird to my tone though; adds muffle. On Jun 7, 2012 12:39 AM, "Mark Hamburg" wrote: > On Jun 6, 2012, at 9:57 PM, Marcus Kirby wrote: > > I just want a simple swell pedal that triggers to a click track. > > > Wouldn't a tempo synced tremolo handle that? > > Mark > > --00151744136cecb1f104c1e0cdb3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It would. The lightfoot labs goatkeeper does that, but it is not the pro= per pedal. I should ask the builder if he would make something similar, but= with only a ramp up and no sequencer.

I use the goatkeeper for trem, and send sawtooth lfo to the cv input of = my pigtronix philosopher king adsr. It does something weird to my tone thou= gh; adds muffle.

On Jun 7, 2012 12:39 AM, "Mark Hamburg"= ; <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
On Jun 6, 2012, at 9:57 PM, Marcus Kirby <= marcusloops@gmai= l.com> wrote:

= I just want a simple swell pedal that triggers to a click track.


Wouldn't a tempo synced tremolo handle that= ?

Mark

--00151744136cecb1f104c1e0cdb3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 14:09:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B12E1183463; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:09:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=LWMuI2yKptr/XEJou/2M/0y1uoAcdTFHEKhdqpEMADk=; b=HcWqJ6LtWXLaVzxs24UNxVmigKAAxHRF0o8vdF2TP9AoIqBdMXbVJ1BR2E/VhghkpG BXI3Xpk7CEAeA3gjSbz5WRsEcj/VckMbYPd7J+J2g+jhwsq8m5CfhUlIe6yG0+BJhi3G 1fnvAHR0K9gNbNd1GdoMdhJ5EJfPHpCusoWDxGYhndFs4Lge/QmKSXtkiOPDVadtFQu6 IDPKibh9iTdk7BNCKB/4AouPyj9wwHLIpKMmApM9sFf10t334ghvn9wmVRfgcWMpyANO YDp24QxaXG5EbDYXH5UViOtjSRJOBAPCwebbUJw5C7iswJ7SOOyEBD/yZs5YRYht+nrO Wn+g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:09:40 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT/spam my Avant garde/ modern classical output for 2011 From: Jeff Evans To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502dc884bd24b04c1e26fa2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:09:42 +0000 (UTC) --00504502dc884bd24b04c1e26fa2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I know this is a very old thread, but is this music still available online somewhere? On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 7:57 PM, william middlemiss < billymiddlemiss@gmail.com> wrote: > Anders, Thank you for taking the time to investigate it! > > (as for Abstracktion #8- the guitar had files in the strings. thats not a > comb filter, thats the sympathetic resonances of various files run through > a well-set compressor.) > > Merry Christmas! > > > --00504502dc884bd24b04c1e26fa2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know this is a very old thread, but is this music still available online = somewhere?

On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 7:57 P= M, william middlemiss <billymiddlemiss@gmail.com> wr= ote:
Anders, Thank you for taking the time to inv= estigate it!=A0

(as for Abstracktion #8- the guitar had = files in the strings. thats not a comb filter, thats the sympathetic resona= nces of various files run through a well-set compressor.)

Merry Christmas!


=

--00504502dc884bd24b04c1e26fa2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 15:42:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7066183464; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:42:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3Q5kVRH7spvs6tJPElSVQDK5W/0kioO7gocj03o+4S0=; b=XlmNJbl/YnjwM7kORO+wToSjUwOGUbA73uDP+iHNRs1uQFxEpIdvkfjnui8GuYMIm/ 9l9n2Vo1YoJGqw42uIyNP01J5hpZp3mCKJmOk5nHB1bTJge88CiTK5JjL38LMpg1okzS pBfvWXp9ZIw5ZRzVUe+E5DHJ2CfzzjOlg/c9lRG6OyQ+M0q7NvFdB4iCFhM6Q64vU6BM BB5edd4ojkgN/hCP1wXvo+/UX9kxhnhKVjL5RL6zepqj8ztcPOYKwB1mFc6IvFIIPDz7 CkwgGLkwuPUpUbhuJf0hgmPAg6t763pNtEZDhOUSxSpdb/hOWtBtiESSmvsuVH/eSD+H KUlQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 08:42:36 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Can I have your feedback? From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d58a90a0b37704c1e3bbc1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:42:37 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d58a90a0b37704c1e3bbc1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Bumpety bump? On Jun 4, 2012 11:11 PM, "kay'lon rushing" wrote: > 2 New Live Looping videos. Please guys let me know what you truly think. > It seems like I have no luck on getting really feedback through youtube > comments. I want to improve so please let me know what you guys honestly > think. Both are improvised. Links are below. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3mM5rzJFVM&feature=relmfu > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft38SUa33B4&list=UUUFLTkt0Psujhz7lliVSYVw&index=1&feature=plcp > --0016e6d58a90a0b37704c1e3bbc1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Bumpety bump?

On Jun 4, 2012 11:11 PM, "kay'lon rushi= ng" <k3zz21@gmail.com> w= rote:
2 New Live Looping videos. Please guys let me know what you truly think. It= seems like I have no luck on getting really feedback through youtube comme= nts. I want to improve so please let me know what you guys honestly think. = Both are improvised. Links are below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D_3mM5rzJFVM&f= eature=3Drelmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dft38SUa33B4&list= =3DUUUFLTkt0Psujhz7lliVSYVw&index=3D1&feature=3Dplcp
--0016e6d58a90a0b37704c1e3bbc1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 16:03:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00E67183465; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 16:03:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <884EBD72-B4D0-4D6A-9376-BA955A74E9A9@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-533445 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Strymon... whoa. Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:03:06 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 16:03:13 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-533445 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.vfepedals.com/bumblebee.html The demos are pretty bad, i did check this out. its a little unclear what the difference is between the attack control and the three position swell speed control. It seems to respond as well as the PT Philosopher King, I.e. limited in its effectiveness and rough on the release. next......... Bill --Apple-Mail-3-533445 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.vfepedals.com/bumblebee.html


The demos are pretty bad, i did check this out. its a little unclear what the difference is between the attack control and the three position swell speed control. It seems to respond as well as the PT Philosopher King, I.e. limited in its effectiveness and rough on the release. next.........
 Bill
--Apple-Mail-3-533445-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 22:52:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61047183462; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 22:52:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FD130B0.4030801@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:52:32 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 22:52:46 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special Focus on mindSpiral. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "the 1 is silent" on Atomic City Records. The Focus page is at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#jun Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 8 04:22:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6D62183461; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 04:22:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=1ghkKv5zeLpvLkYo79hhqwnYkNFglu+N68H51tjHXhA=; b=MVFBsYIjIGqAg7cYexNW4gxDHpycJDpm/1VXIXqle8Il4XXdQZvZ2yIz/60X7dT3Q8 RBJxLSry6S05xqylZVvoKnDZbGLY140c+EEN+lPQjV4IQ0g14SwFneXnXe8xaQSrKXKc 9wFObck85361QOvEDs75DJdzKJqirLzuOcnbwetm58at5a37qY6EYwJcM23o2X7dlLVD xCceJr3qMnlTSN3z8sgcZ79AAT72i6ZPh7AogGOiz/W2y/pA+jJ5rSprcuO027nxq608 /0vFkTTkSjCbZ+lwXzttsWZYXn2DbZf8ZDZ4f7zmor3zzk7ufkKlyW+03j85kqFgTzdw MX0A== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 21:22:26 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Can I have your feedback? From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec5215567ff45af04c1ee58df Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 04:22:27 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec5215567ff45af04c1ee58df Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sorry for the bump. For some reason I never got anybody's replies until late today. I appreciate all your feedback! Oddly enough, one of my original reasons for becoming a looper was to get away from that "mechanical" drum beat sound. I've sorta been fascinated by those "off beat" electronic music artists such as Shlohmo, or Shigeto, GroundIsLava, Flying Lotus,.Samiyam etc. Or maybe is it my lack of rhythmic knowledge that makes me think their music is off beat? On Jun 7, 2012 8:42 AM, "kay'lon rushing" wrote: > Bumpety bump? > On Jun 4, 2012 11:11 PM, "kay'lon rushing" wrote: > >> 2 New Live Looping videos. Please guys let me know what you truly think. >> It seems like I have no luck on getting really feedback through youtube >> comments. I want to improve so please let me know what you guys honestly >> think. Both are improvised. Links are below. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3mM5rzJFVM&feature=relmfu >> >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft38SUa33B4&list=UUUFLTkt0Psujhz7lliVSYVw&index=1&feature=plcp >> > --bcaec5215567ff45af04c1ee58df Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sorry for the bump. For some reason I never got anybody's replies un= til late today. I appreciate all your feedback! Oddly enough, one of my ori= ginal reasons for becoming a looper was to get away from that "mechani= cal" drum beat sound. I've sorta been fascinated by those "of= f beat" electronic music artists such as Shlohmo, or Shigeto, GroundIs= Lava, Flying Lotus,.Samiyam etc. Or maybe is it my lack of rhythmic knowled= ge that makes me think their music is off beat?

On Jun 7, 2012 8:42 AM, "kay'lon rushin= g" <k3zz21@gmail.com> wr= ote:

Bumpety bump?

On Jun 4, 2012 11:11 PM, "kay'lon rushi= ng" <k3zz21@g= mail.com> wrote:
2 New Live Looping videos. Please guys let me know what you truly think. It= seems like I have no luck on getting really feedback through youtube comme= nts. I want to improve so please let me know what you guys honestly think. = Both are improvised. Links are below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D_3mM5rzJFVM&f= eature=3Drelmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dft38SUa33B4&list= =3DUUUFLTkt0Psujhz7lliVSYVw&index=3D1&feature=3Dplcp
--bcaec5215567ff45af04c1ee58df-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 8 11:16:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90F5618345D; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 11:16:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BvbYqfnQ3AX4znXksPplAOCnFDqpx4fZf8EbTX1O8eA=; b=EjtofIRNz+RSCrOZbjAFQ0qNQkelxgQyMO+e1XGN2LGSiyU99x0PnfKRlVRXOFRlUi T0mCiG3lzqAZqKErrpA9AQuKHoe7Fyk18wDP8TlBU6tbcrHPERip0gG3NfcwzZB3qeBH SXv6LwTpRrph/+NYRo9DzWdv5bk0N068DM20/Jc3Cia8qC0wDzfrg+zTWeqpWrnKfB+D 9aTf+3j09+KQnbAChIKtYpQs/uH+EZhCuIYFvhjkwL3cQpJOai22tCLvxDip/5neMDPe +p3gb+zS5yvbLQOrwepOrxWFVBC1Ztt7ra8x00C1JtK+sHL3OpWfpbHYScG/WQAGi82E FqrQ== Message-ID: <4FD1DF17.8080006@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 13:16:39 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Looper's Delight Mailing List Subject: [Fwd: Re: Can I have your feedback?] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4Td3E.A.h7F.d8d0PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 11:16:45 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker schrieb: > I've played with musicians from many different world cultures that > have "molays" or > rhythmic grooves that vary quite a bit from metronomically quantized > time. From the way Algerians play their triplets to > the way Rio Brazilians perform their parts on Ganza, Repinique, > Caixa-Ca and Tamborim; the way Malinkan djembe > drummers 'swing' their djembe parts in a way that is NOT triplet swing > to the way New Orleans' Second Line drummers > barely swing their parts in a way that is not even consistent, there > are great grooves in the world that are not metronomic, > but the fact of the matter is, those different feels have been worked > out over dozens to hundreds of years with the very > best and most accomplished musicians in the culture. If done by an accomplished musician, I find the combination of the machine-like (because it's a machine) and accurate human inaccurate groove really interesting. One beautiful example for me is the "Secret World Live" version of Peter Gabriel's "Digging in the Dirt". (That was back in the time when Gabriel and Sting had that secret "who has the most impressive touring group" contest, which for me Sting won with the "Bring on the Night" group w/ Kenny Kirkland/Daryl "The Munch" Jones/Branford "the less famous but better" Marsalis/Omar Hakim - but I digress ;). The album version of the track (album "Us") uses a one-bar computer drum loop going throughout the song (safe for the bridges). The life version uses the very same loop, albeit in a lofi-ed version and has Manu Katché on acoustic drums. Katché does the really fun stuff here - while he goes completely crazy in the intro, he joins the drum loop in the B section, but varying mainly his snare hit to be dead-on/slightly lagging/slightly rushing. Is that done consciously? Or subconsciously? Or lack of timing quality? I don't know (albeit I suspect it's not the latter), but this kind of tension/release works great on that track. Actually, this track also works fine on the "cheesy along non-cheesy sounds" topic you, Rick, brought up: the combo of the artifical loop and the acoustic drums does just that. (Right now, I have the experience that to truly enjoy Levin's stick part on this, you really need to have a high-quality subwoofer...it continues to shake the whole building here in a very accurate manner...) Rainer (there's a lot of fun on that album: just now listened to the part on "In Your Eyes" where after the breakdown section, Jean-Claude Naimró comes in on a cheesy over-chorused piano and does a great job in obscuring where the downbeat is, and Katché doesn't help, either ;) -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 8 12:07:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D227E18345C; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 12:07:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "'Jim Goodin'" , References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Lutherkirche Improv Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 14:07:03 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01cd456f$377eddc0$a67c9940$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01CD457F.FB07ADC0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0504g6k+hLb5ICSP6INW0qKQAnDwLm2d+w Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 12:07:09 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01CD457F.FB07ADC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks Jim. The singer/sax/flute player and the violinist work together = regularly, with changing guest - I was in as a guest for the 2nd time, = but we liked this improv so much that we'll be doing a trio gig again = later this year. -Michael =20 >From: Jim Goodin [mailto:jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com]=20 >Michard this is great. Going to listen again later as other = distractions at the time but loved the setup and instrumentation of this = gathering. Do you work together regularly or are you going to again? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DaDYoDbvLsG0 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01CD457F.FB07ADC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

thanks = Jim. The singer/sax/flute player and the violinist work together = regularly, with changing guest - I was in as a guest for the 2nd time, = but we liked this improv so much that we'll = be doing a trio gig again later this year.=C2=A0 = -Michael

 

>From: Jim Goodin [mailto:jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com] =
>Michard this is great.  = Going to listen again later as other distractions at the time but = loved the setup and instrumentation of this gathering.  Do you work = together regularly or are  you going to = again?

------=_NextPart_000_000B_01CD457F.FB07ADC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 8 22:19:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8A2E18345A; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 22:19:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FD27A50.1040504@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 15:18:56 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rainer Straschill CC: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Can I have your feedback?] References: <4FD1DF17.8080006@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <4FD1DF17.8080006@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 22:19:04 +0000 (UTC) On 6/8/12 4:16 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > If done by an accomplished musician, I find the combination of the > machine-like (because it's a machine) and accurate human inaccurate > groove really interesting. I do, too, Rainer. I remember the first time I ever saw Ultravox play in the 70's. They had a drummer with a kick, snare, hi hat and ride cymbal (unheard of minimalism in the world of 70's excess) and he was playing with a Roland CR-78 analogue drum machine. You could feel his 'humaneness' (re: imperfection) as it related to the perfectly quantized drum machine (there were only perfectly quantized drum machines in those days.......changeable quantization wouldn't occur, technologically until the 80's). I was stunned and have been a fan of drum machines ever since, to this day. And there is an interesting thing about the interaction of *perfect* timing and *human timing* in human pattern recognition. In literature or film they talk about the "reasonable suspension of disbelief"..........you either buy the premise of a Science Fiction movie or you don't. It isn't real of course, but if you can suspend the concept that it's not real, then the experience can seem very real. This can happen in drum programming as well. Early on, when the first digitally sampled drum machines came out (the Linn Drum, the EMU Drumulator and others) Record producers learned that if you played perfectly quantized drum samples in a groove that it felt 'stiff'. But they quickly learned that they programmed all of the kick, snare and tom parts to be perfectly quantized and then had a studio drummer come in and play hi hats and cymbals over the top of this, the listener would *buy* the results and be fooled into thinking that the entire track was real. I've found that one can use as little as 10% to 30% non quantized tracks on top of rigidly quantized tracks and the net result is that the tracks will sound *human*. Another thing I've discovered is that the faster the BPM of a track and the more complex the track is syncopatively, (as in Kay'lon's first example track) the more effective it is to use rigid quantization. You are already asking the brain a lot to *hear* a very syncopated beat (that one is a much longer discussion and is the basis of the Rhythm Intensive course that I teach to melodic musicians) so if you throw in relative rhythmic inaccuracy to the mix, it just makes the whole thing more problematic. Also, in Kay'lon's particular case, to quantize those drum beats at the onset of the piece can then enable him to play with non quantized/human feel on top of the tracks with his initial organ rhythm parts. To me, it is fascinating that we can convince the brain, unconsciously to have the 'reasonable suspension of disbelief' through how we loop and how we program. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 8 22:57:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C50118345A; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 22:57:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=sBOwf03vS+0x6o9E0oe7m9ethW9piq+rJoao7MiZnq0=; b=hwwlQa0SvQc8dUA0T8g0ExEYlqYwYl1NTaFKp5rujzllcRoTvMVakHlqLt3vIe5Mrc WlqCoNvhHrXCuyJ3KCLxqKdWscUF9G/+qXItfBKAKJISGRm2QlfEmuo9ckLx0hXifQCN gNqUoq39AbYFHynk8Q00WGMeaGcc+9UxL41ukO961AQO+mAfTgnMl9QiS/1vkxP8Rs/D yvEiLgOBUnwzAZgQ4CLb4EzTl8xKaCbd1bk4Ai/7JgiNb4CPhGMGIw5yYnCVbc4lSbod eTCH9Hkcpqlu9S3hDeKgpcFBjTHPVGmzjhWz4TBcUZ0SOMVYV6HWkORHi5309FuOBDzp WkfQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FD27A50.1040504@cruzio.com> References: <4FD1DF17.8080006@googlemail.com> <4FD27A50.1040504@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 15:57:35 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Can I have your feedback?] From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6dee73e23d96004c1fded9b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 22:57:37 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6dee73e23d96004c1fded9b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The part that somewhat scares me is that I litterally can't hear the innaccuracy of the drums in the first video. Is it the whole thing or is it just something within the loop? On Jun 8, 2012 3:19 PM, "Rick Walker" wrote: > On 6/8/12 4:16 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > >> If done by an accomplished musician, I find the combination of the >> machine-like (because it's a machine) and accurate human inaccurate >> groove really interesting. >> > > I do, too, Rainer. I remember the first time I ever saw Ultravox play > in the 70's. > They had a drummer with a kick, snare, hi hat and ride cymbal (unheard of > minimalism in the > world of 70's excess) and he was playing with a Roland CR-78 analogue drum > machine. > > You could feel his 'humaneness' (re: imperfection) as it related to the > perfectly quantized > drum machine (there were only perfectly quantized drum machines in those > days.......changeable > quantization wouldn't occur, technologically until the 80's). > > I was stunned and have been a fan of drum machines ever since, to this day. > > And there is an interesting thing about the interaction of *perfect* > timing and *human timing* > in human pattern recognition. > > In literature or film they talk about the "reasonable suspension of > disbelief"..........you > either buy the premise of a Science Fiction movie or you don't. It isn't > real of course, but > if you can suspend the concept that it's not real, then the experience can > seem very real. > > This can happen in drum programming as well. > Early on, when the first digitally sampled drum machines came out (the > Linn Drum, the EMU Drumulator and others) > Record producers learned that if you played perfectly quantized drum > samples in a groove that it felt 'stiff'. > But they quickly learned that they programmed all of the kick, snare and > tom parts to be perfectly quantized and then > had a studio drummer come in and play hi hats and cymbals over the top of > this, the listener would > *buy* the results and be fooled into thinking that the entire track was > real. > > I've found that one can use as little as 10% to 30% non quantized tracks > on top of rigidly quantized tracks > and the net result is that the tracks will sound *human*. > > Another thing I've discovered is that the faster the BPM of a track and > the more complex the track is syncopatively, > (as in Kay'lon's first example track) the more effective it is to use > rigid quantization. > > You are already asking the brain a lot to *hear* a very syncopated beat > (that one is a much longer discussion and is > the basis of the Rhythm Intensive course that I teach to melodic > musicians) so if you throw in relative rhythmic inaccuracy > to the mix, it just makes the whole thing more problematic. > > Also, in Kay'lon's particular case, to quantize those drum beats at the > onset of the piece can then enable him > to play with non quantized/human feel on top of the tracks with his > initial organ rhythm parts. > > To me, it is fascinating that we can convince the brain, unconsciously to > have the 'reasonable suspension of disbelief' > through how we loop and how we program. > > Rick > > --0016e6dee73e23d96004c1fded9b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The part that somewhat scares me is that I litterally can't hear the= innaccuracy of the drums in the first video. Is it the whole thing or is i= t just something within the loop?

On Jun 8, 2012 3:19 PM, "Rick Walker" = <looppool@cruzio.com> wrot= e:
On 6/8/12 4:16 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote:
If done by an accomplished musician, I find the combination of the
machine-like (because it's a machine) and accurate human inaccurate
groove really interesting.

I do, too, Rainer. =A0 =A0I remember the first time I ever saw Ultravox pla= y in the 70's.
They had a drummer with a kick, snare, hi hat and ride cymbal (unheard of m= inimalism in the
world of 70's excess) and he was playing with a Roland CR-78 analogue d= rum machine.

You could feel his 'humaneness' (re: imperfection) as it related to= the perfectly quantized
drum machine (there were only perfectly quantized drum machines in those da= ys.......changeable
quantization wouldn't occur, technologically until the 80's).

I was stunned and have been a fan of drum machines ever since, to this day.=

And there is an interesting thing about the interaction of *perfect* timing= and *human timing*
in human pattern recognition.

In literature or film they talk about the "reasonable suspension of di= sbelief"..........you
either buy the premise of a Science Fiction movie or you don't. =A0 It = isn't real of course, but
if you can suspend the concept that it's not real, then the experience = can seem very real.

This can happen in drum programming as well.
Early on, when the first digitally sampled drum machines came out (the Linn= Drum, the EMU Drumulator and others)
Record producers learned that if you played perfectly quantized drum sample= s in a groove that it felt 'stiff'.
But they quickly learned that they programmed all of the kick, snare and to= m parts to be perfectly quantized and then
had a studio drummer come in and play hi hats and cymbals over the top of t= his, =A0the listener would
*buy* the results and be fooled into thinking that the entire track was rea= l.

I've found that one can use as little as 10% to 30% non quantized track= s on top of rigidly quantized tracks
and the net result is that the tracks will sound *human*.

Another thing I've discovered is that the faster the BPM of a track and= the more complex the track is syncopatively,
(as in Kay'lon's first example track) the more effective it is to u= se rigid quantization.

You are already asking the brain a lot to *hear* a very syncopated beat (th= at one is a much longer discussion and is
the basis of the Rhythm Intensive course that I teach to melodic musicians)= so if you throw in relative rhythmic inaccuracy
to the mix, =A0it just makes the whole thing more problematic.

Also, in Kay'lon's particular case, =A0 to quantize those drum beat= s at the onset of the piece can then enable him
to play with non quantized/human feel on top of the tracks with his initial= organ rhythm parts.

To me, it is fascinating that we can convince the brain, unconsciously to h= ave the 'reasonable suspension of disbelief'
through how we loop and how we program.

Rick

--0016e6dee73e23d96004c1fded9b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 00:04:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96C81183461; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 00:04:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FD29316.6030502@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 17:04:38 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: Looping Songwriters: Cool Resource for Harmony/Melody Analysis References: <4FD27A50.1040504@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4FD27A50.1040504@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5AAmI.A.fAF.eMp0PB@arsenic> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 00:04:46 +0000 (UTC) Looping Songwriters, I just stumbled on a wonderful online resource for song analysis (I'm on a kick to study the harmony of songs that I love). This particular site allows you to see the chords (written or in mouse over tab form) against lyrics and then to transpose the songs to make the harmony easier to see. _http://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/b/bernstein_and_sondheim/one_hand_one_heart_crd.htm_ I got an excellent lesson from my friend Paul Wagner last night who pointed out subtle ways of modulation that re-orient the listeners ear and prepare it for a new tonal center (as evidenced in the sublime writing of Leonard Bernstein in this song from West Side Story. I'm off to the piano to analyze this piece and the several others that he name checked at a diner last night........I'm excited! Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 00:10:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F4AB183461; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 00:10:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FD29476.9090105@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 17:10:30 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: STRATEGIES for REHARMONIZATION in LIVE LOOP COMPOSITION Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 00:10:38 +0000 (UTC) STRATEGIES for REHARMONIZATION in LIVE LOOP COMPOSITION I've been reading a lot of books on modern (and classical) harmony lately, in a desire to learn more about the use of substitutions in harmony in my live looping composition efforts. In my own music, I've done a lot of exploration into ways to manipulate typical diatonic harmony, modal harmony and I've learned a lot about different world approaches to scalar playing. Now, I want to investigate ways to purposefully play outside of scales outside of typical straight modulation techniques. So, I was wondering: What are some tricks or strategies that you use to create either more complex harmony (as opposed to purely modal or diatonic harmony) in melodic songwriting? Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 01:00:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B751B18345D; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 01:00:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1659 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 01:00:47 UTC X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=wkBup0WkMydMoKkTbziYo/XPEWT17JaY6W1ymNmqUIo= c=1 sm=2 a=OnGyPppwlFAA:10 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=OUXYneDTAAAA:8 a=oTtuw1C_AAAA:8 a=1CNDp2vUmh2-vTCKAAEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=053Au2P4wpAA:10 a=pQ2a0EFxmsAA:10 a=1lfZuGKA5oVM5bghLpIA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 154.5.112.152 From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9-117523564 Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Can I have your feedback?] Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 17:32:56 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4FD1DF17.8080006@googlemail.com> <4FD27A50.1040504@cruzio.com> Message-Id: <25FF57F2-6DD3-4292-A739-869869AD18DC@glasswing.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 01:00:47 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9-117523564 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here's the trick, Kay'lon; Never let critiques get under your skin. Take what makes sense and use = it and leave the rest in the dust... or maybe for later. Musician's lives have been totally derailed by small comments, or = comments made in the spirit of camaraderie. I know because it happened = to me a few times. Fortunately, I'm good on the rebound and have = survived to write this email and do fairly well with music. I'll never forget the first real pro R&B session I did. The producer = was just cruel, harsh on the folks trying out for parts. "You should = quit now. That was the worst playing I've ever heard" etc. I swear this = is true! I was aghast. But the crazy thing was, the rejected just = picked up their axes and moved on. =20 Music is extremely subjective. I heard your stuff and the irregularity = didn't really bother me, but that's just how I roll. I produce music so = tight you couldn't fit tissue paper between the beat and the dotted = 64th, but I also do music that is wild and out of control. In fact, I = have a client now who, within one song can rise and fall from 90 BPM to = 150 BPM. Within a measure! But I've figured out how to make it work = and, weirdest of weirds, when it's finished it usually sounds quite pro. = =20 Every bird in the jungle has an important song.=20 The key for you is figuring out what YOUR song is. When you put it out = there, other birds might complain because their song is different. You = have to be strong in who you are and what you love or you'll go crazy... = BUT! ...all the while improving your vision, honing your chops, ever = vigilant for stuff that sucks or can be improved. There isn't a good = player on earth who can't improve somewhere. I've been with some of = the real masters and it's amazing how humble and hard working they are. =20= Rick is a beautiful man, a stellar human and spectacular drummer. I = hear what he's saying and I hear what you're doing. =20 I think a good piece of advice is never ask a drummer what he thinks of = your drum tracks because he has that specialized metronome, his own bird = song, going inside. Rick is highly refined and has a vision he's been = honing for decades. Drummers OBSESS on meter. I have some wild stories = about that too.=20 I wouldn't worry a lick if he critiqued one of my drum tracks. I expect = that from good drummers. It's all in the nature of the game. I can = always improve. I can always learn. I can always reject someone's = valid criticism if it runs counter to the voice inside. I can also take = it in if it seems true to me. It's a fine line you just learn with = time. I used to internalize this kind of stuff and after 40 some years of = playing professionally I've learned to not dwell on the negatives too = much. It can eat you alive. Never let anything eat you alive but the = desire to be the very best Kay'lon on earth!=20 My take on your track was that it was extremely organic. I heard your = bird song. Can it be improved? Can my music be improved? Was Jimi = Hendrix sloppy sometimes? Did he go to learn from great players every = chance he got?=20 Just keep working it, refining the diamond until it's blinding. =20 My own bird obsesses on boredom - boring parts, music that puts me to = sleep, parts in a song where I yawn or start thinking about something = else. That's my particular bird song and it drives me crazy to hear = music that's lazy, too easily self satisfied and doesn't take into = consideration the competition, all the amazing stuff that's gone before = - regardless of category. My bird demands that I strive with all I have = to be original and present that originality as good as I can (which can = always be improved!)=20 We're competing with Beethoven, the Beatles, Bartok and Blind Blake. = For me, the challenge is fabulous and keeps me on task. It keeps me = young and alert and I'm 64 years old. All the answers are inside you. That's where the last word should come = to rest. All the above is just my opinion. Don't worry. Just keep moving = forward. your fellow bird, Richard (Sorry this was SO long! I'd just finished a session and read the = thread about your stuff, listened and just had to take a solo!!!) richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.goodnaturefarms.com On Jun 8, 2012, at 3:57 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > The part that somewhat scares me is that I litterally can't hear the = innaccuracy of the drums in the first video. Is it the whole thing or is = it just something within the loop? >=20 > On Jun 8, 2012 3:19 PM, "Rick Walker" wrote: > On 6/8/12 4:16 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > If done by an accomplished musician, I find the combination of the > machine-like (because it's a machine) and accurate human inaccurate > groove really interesting. >=20 > I do, too, Rainer. I remember the first time I ever saw Ultravox = play in the 70's. > They had a drummer with a kick, snare, hi hat and ride cymbal (unheard = of minimalism in the > world of 70's excess) and he was playing with a Roland CR-78 analogue = drum machine. >=20 > You could feel his 'humaneness' (re: imperfection) as it related to = the perfectly quantized > drum machine (there were only perfectly quantized drum machines in = those days.......changeable > quantization wouldn't occur, technologically until the 80's). >=20 > I was stunned and have been a fan of drum machines ever since, to this = day. >=20 > And there is an interesting thing about the interaction of *perfect* = timing and *human timing* > in human pattern recognition. >=20 > In literature or film they talk about the "reasonable suspension of = disbelief"..........you > either buy the premise of a Science Fiction movie or you don't. It = isn't real of course, but > if you can suspend the concept that it's not real, then the experience = can seem very real. >=20 > This can happen in drum programming as well. > Early on, when the first digitally sampled drum machines came out (the = Linn Drum, the EMU Drumulator and others) > Record producers learned that if you played perfectly quantized drum = samples in a groove that it felt 'stiff'. > But they quickly learned that they programmed all of the kick, snare = and tom parts to be perfectly quantized and then > had a studio drummer come in and play hi hats and cymbals over the top = of this, the listener would > *buy* the results and be fooled into thinking that the entire track = was real. >=20 > I've found that one can use as little as 10% to 30% non quantized = tracks on top of rigidly quantized tracks > and the net result is that the tracks will sound *human*. >=20 > Another thing I've discovered is that the faster the BPM of a track = and the more complex the track is syncopatively, > (as in Kay'lon's first example track) the more effective it is to use = rigid quantization. >=20 > You are already asking the brain a lot to *hear* a very syncopated = beat (that one is a much longer discussion and is > the basis of the Rhythm Intensive course that I teach to melodic = musicians) so if you throw in relative rhythmic inaccuracy > to the mix, it just makes the whole thing more problematic. >=20 > Also, in Kay'lon's particular case, to quantize those drum beats at = the onset of the piece can then enable him > to play with non quantized/human feel on top of the tracks with his = initial organ rhythm parts. >=20 > To me, it is fascinating that we can convince the brain, unconsciously = to have the 'reasonable suspension of disbelief' > through how we loop and how we program. >=20 > Rick >=20 --Apple-Mail-9-117523564 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Music is extremely subjective.  I = heard your stuff and the irregularity didn't really bother me, but = that's just how I roll.  I produce music so tight you couldn't fit = tissue paper between the beat and the dotted 64th, but I also do music = that is wild and out of control.  In fact, I have a client now who, = within one song can rise and fall from 90 BPM to 150 BPM.  Within a = measure!  But I've figured out how to make it work and, weirdest of = weirds, when it's finished it usually sounds quite pro. =   

Every bird in the jungle has an = important song. 

The key for you is = figuring out what YOUR song is.  When you put it out there, other = birds might complain because their song is different.  You have to = be strong in who you are and what you love or you'll go crazy... BUT! =  ...all the while improving your vision, honing your chops, ever = vigilant for stuff that sucks or can be improved.  There isn't a = good player on earth who can't improve somewhere.   I've been with = some of the real masters and it's amazing how humble and hard working = they are.  

Rick is a beautiful man, a = stellar human and spectacular drummer.  I hear what he's saying and = I hear what you're doing.  

I think a good = piece of advice is never ask a drummer what he thinks of your drum = tracks because he has that specialized metronome, his own bird song, = going inside.  Rick is highly refined and has a vision he's been = honing for decades.  Drummers OBSESS on meter.  I have some = wild stories about that too. 

I wouldn't = worry a lick if he critiqued one of my drum tracks.  I expect that = from good drummers.  It's all in the nature of the game.   I = can always improve.  I can always learn.  I can always reject = someone's valid criticism if it runs counter to the voice inside. =  I can also take it in if it seems true to me.  It's a fine = line you just learn with time.

I used to = internalize this kind of stuff and after 40 some years of playing = professionally I've learned to not dwell on the negatives too much. =  It can eat you alive.  Never let anything eat you alive but = the desire to be the very best Kay'lon on = earth! 

My take on your track was that it = was extremely organic.  I heard your bird song.  Can it be = improved?  Can my music be improved?  Was Jimi Hendrix sloppy = sometimes?  Did he go to learn from great players every chance he = got? 

Just keep working it, refining the = diamond until it's blinding.  

My own bird = obsesses on boredom - boring parts, music that puts me to sleep, parts = in a song where I yawn or start thinking about something else. =  That's my particular bird song and it drives me crazy to hear = music that's lazy, too easily self satisfied and doesn't take into = consideration the competition, all the amazing stuff that's gone before = - regardless of category.  My bird demands that I strive with all I = have to be original and present that originality as good as I can (which = can always be improved!) 

We're competing = with Beethoven, the Beatles, Bartok and Blind Blake.  For me, the = challenge is fabulous and keeps me on task.  It keeps me young and = alert and I'm 64 years old.

All the answers are = inside you.  That's where the last word should come to = rest.

All the above is just my opinion. =  Don't worry.  Just keep moving = forward.

your fellow = bird,

Richard

(Sorry = this was SO long!  I'd just finished a session and read the thread = about your stuff, listened and just had to take a = solo!!!)

richard sales
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38">www.richardsales.com
= www.goodnaturefarms.com=











On Jun 8, 2012, at 3:57 PM, kay'lon rushing = wrote:

The part that somewhat scares me is that I litterally = can't hear the innaccuracy of the drums in the first video. Is it the = whole thing or is it just something within the loop?

On Jun 8, 2012 3:19 PM, "Rick Walker" <looppool@cruzio.com> = wrote:
On 6/8/12 4:16 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote:
If done by an accomplished musician, I find the combination of the
machine-like (because it's a machine) and accurate human inaccurate
groove really interesting.

I do, too, Rainer.    I remember the first time I ever saw = Ultravox play in the 70's.
They had a drummer with a kick, snare, hi hat and ride cymbal (unheard = of minimalism in the
world of 70's excess) and he was playing with a Roland CR-78 analogue = drum machine.

You could feel his 'humaneness' (re: imperfection) as it related to the = perfectly quantized
drum machine (there were only perfectly quantized drum machines in those = days.......changeable
quantization wouldn't occur, technologically until the 80's).

I was stunned and have been a fan of drum machines ever since, to this = day.

And there is an interesting thing about the interaction of *perfect* = timing and *human timing*
in human pattern recognition.

In literature or film they talk about the "reasonable suspension of = disbelief"..........you
either buy the premise of a Science Fiction movie or you don't.   = It isn't real of course, but
if you can suspend the concept that it's not real, then the experience = can seem very real.

This can happen in drum programming as well.
Early on, when the first digitally sampled drum machines came out (the = Linn Drum, the EMU Drumulator and others)
Record producers learned that if you played perfectly quantized drum = samples in a groove that it felt 'stiff'.
But they quickly learned that they programmed all of the kick, snare and = tom parts to be perfectly quantized and then
had a studio drummer come in and play hi hats and cymbals over the top = of this,  the listener would
*buy* the results and be fooled into thinking that the entire track was = real.

I've found that one can use as little as 10% to 30% non quantized tracks = on top of rigidly quantized tracks
and the net result is that the tracks will sound *human*.

Another thing I've discovered is that the faster the BPM of a track and = the more complex the track is syncopatively,
(as in Kay'lon's first example track) the more effective it is to use = rigid quantization.

You are already asking the brain a lot to *hear* a very syncopated beat = (that one is a much longer discussion and is
the basis of the Rhythm Intensive course that I teach to melodic = musicians) so if you throw in relative rhythmic inaccuracy
to the mix,  it just makes the whole thing more problematic.

Also, in Kay'lon's particular case,   to quantize those drum beats = at the onset of the piece can then enable him
to play with non quantized/human feel on top of the tracks with his = initial organ rhythm parts.

To me, it is fascinating that we can convince the brain, unconsciously = to have the 'reasonable suspension of disbelief'
through how we loop and how we program.

Rick


= --Apple-Mail-9-117523564-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 01:02:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93693183461; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 01:02:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3x09@carlsonarts.com> X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 497511.8923.bm@omp1024.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1339203731; bh=kV5vH4DLHn9wQxWrTmxiWmUuEE0cm5Pw76Le7X/PlYk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=3cOf8L1143gyrimbzeCNjmOy/1DZK7DU9AmrKPfPboNQGQVOU1HQVJGvkcyPgKweJ98Dr3aiTp/vG2+C2VglTvQnvnGA6lpYRcngZvVVe7WYJYuhcGNwPx7YOUW8sNmtKCuTC0w9ffVSRqHpd7NZlM7NwN7nZweX2ylHCUVImdw= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 2FchIXwVM1nfHxKREeXKHe4bFdndTloDuf7cnuGGr9KLnPL KaP2vH0RrthW8u6L.NEXSv3zT6WEAJylqxPte9rKsGRgIBL1kJ5Vn5VnnD4i VCTXr_s.xfqgVtuMUSCIka6.gP0g.oWacDGqpOcopMQZWlzEURqRYt2mYt4B s.TwE.1O.mWKlUPTzhTEn.e6TKZCobAXSnX7mwIXGtlMhYGM0Xtte4griXHq BThzoUwGMPaWSd0x9J7hKWV3T7o7Z9cwTOIaQ_MMG5dVLlURj1jKYs4SwUeK kHo79uKI8LcXDWNJ4uvuLXQqkoujvyAb9x0O1T066OOeSZJpo7i2Rnh_p7aF .kyLzOxMM4xvaf1.sbD8EMdrKXdkPLZCvI6hakK8wfMm3Ekcwqn7G3QIFJk0 HVJGfu8rdud7lrif9HpiVqR83rs6oQiMXi5sXcEGw3UUMAoF.ucC_TlyHwW1 UU2pPtI0- X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F References: <4FD1DF17.8080006@googlemail.com> <4FD27A50.1040504@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4FD27A50.1040504@cruzio.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <32B1BFA1-DB9E-4A47-964E-2CFFB8ECD936@carlsonarts.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> Subject: Don't Worry, Keep Hoping Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 18:02:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 01:02:13 +0000 (UTC) Hi everyone, check out what happened when I did my mashup of Bobby = McFerrin and Johann Pachelbel. People started dancing! That has never = happened before. Peace, Michael http://youtu.be/FzTv85CUECk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 01:32:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F8FC18345D; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 01:32:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 388566.85709.bm@omp1027.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1339205545; bh=1cCM+BEEQdmo071RgZA3POq3fxkCNpKl6vF8EbFb3S0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tG/ml2lPBzNqFJzOMzp39Zibdc+IIzLAp5Y83C+ogfpENbE9wWAbMhzHpJYsYZtvMQo94FXYkw1sPnxnE5vCbydiDro+kLlKFATrGQIp3BHaFV7JUSEDTYG5lWwux26SZBEWnaBC/sWMeIpqYowmvxRh2bGjyTzo9vEwNL5/AWw= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=c7lovhUEETr3GAuh8iyRIHK5GvkW817Y42h9+fq7KKTn/lLt2DKPaAPj2HIO8VLJpXEAGuR+/8M15hnr53MfXEW9JrxrRVt8oZiqgFAV/AzalF+a9L6PcNJAWZ6zuF9Wj0PQhLDB9dn4ysL69KKJWQIFZBBbWBB1JVWqQlgKjpI=; X-YMail-OSG: s3r_evcVM1kW4tIwL7r14mkhqdOaBhsWYcYwLbw1SBgdE4e VREVxVlymQ4eNrVO.jeQ79EipSRsajUq1.tVdHth6GxHP_6Qi7iD5ALcxUHO v65PqjW.8FoYzg9xGsiOE9ZEvAduE6wkX9f5JCujc91OZ4ccT_soXLbZtOhb psyaek1L3k9TBvC9cundQvAlzXMtkE8AmYpV1a7HU7QLUPmoz9HtvCAqXHBs LcL4Jyt5tubQGS0c1PSS21Z..vb4bNaql9N31u7V69nmYvGydHGb3wVkZzIv Et9Uz3Uw3e82pR_cmcc.erGPezkOvMN5pHulcmdT.62nPuEh7u.aUtgh1xdx zbPt1_yko1eZyc8OD82aWU6R8IyIEQ9WlasapZC_1TbuBkom7JP5iBd7GTjm B.m65_G9fpJc2rMhVR4uYytB.xMi7nQiiYZRG7rZ_SJBnlCxyD3eFjYz0Bpz K3GjWsfwiIvcl3g9ouQLe8bJMYZMoYt9.d.6fhsh1iBtMa_dfB1VibalLruM cJfiugcqRvOEbkf6u.4o1K6E36cMm8xTQcH4sk7Unc6WtFvPy0R4Y0.G938. ylAS1kXYMIYoLVKUSBrzmmMVZEboRhDXAvtUtOlgA9XGLUHWA2Cm.GQ7fGJD 5QKcuA18rsmzPgb42L.M021o0bCEu1V7AMzWT4FxRUBMTWEf4D8llf.N99Ik PM68KaQaboO3SxDfEJ4Xdi13WmCbmcdPTvLQnm1gzEnSpji4qEjmWnyP.0iq TArBAhA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4FD1DF17.8080006@googlemail.com> <4FD27A50.1040504@cruzio.com> <25FF57F2-6DD3-4292-A739-869869AD18DC@glasswing.com> Message-ID: <1339205545.32157.YahooMailNeo@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 18:32:25 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Can I have your feedback?] To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <25FF57F2-6DD3-4292-A739-869869AD18DC@glasswing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1662753009-54014045-1339205545=:32157" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 01:32:28 +0000 (UTC) --1662753009-54014045-1339205545=:32157 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have to chime in here. in the 80s, I worked with drummers who said, "drum= machines will never take the place of real drums". What they didn't know w= as, many hits back then wee made with a Linn machine and they didn't even n= otice! I've always had the attitude, "it;s not what you have, it's how you = use it". In an old addition of Front of House magazine, which caters to liv= e sound reinforcement folks, interviewed a prominent sound tech. When asked= of his fantasy gig, he replied, "I'd like to give the opening act any equi= pment they want for the mix, then mix the headliner act with a Peavey Mark = IV mixer". I say, "here here"!=0ARig=0A=0A=0A______________________________= __=0A From: richard sales =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loo= pers-delight.com =0ASent: Friday, June 8, 2012 5:32 PM=0ASubject: Re: [Fwd:= Re: Can I have your feedback?]=0A =0A=0AHere's the trick, Kay'lon;=0A=0ANe= ver let critiques get under your skin. =A0Take what makes sense and use it = and leave the rest in the dust... or maybe for later.=0A=0AMusician's lives= have been totally derailed by small comments, or comments made in the spir= it of camaraderie. I know because it happened to me a few times. =A0Fortuna= tely, I'm good on the rebound and have survived to write this email and do = fairly well with music.=0A=0AI'll never forget the first real pro R&B sessi= on I did. =A0The producer was just cruel, harsh on the folks trying out for= parts. "You should quit now. That was the worst playing I've ever heard" e= tc. =A0I swear this is true! =A0I was aghast. =A0But the crazy thing was, t= he rejected just picked up their axes and moved on. =A0=0A=0AMusic is extre= mely subjective. =A0I heard your stuff and the irregularity didn't really b= other me, but that's just how I roll. =A0I produce music so tight you could= n't fit tissue paper between the beat and the dotted 64th, but I also do mu= sic that is wild and out of control. =A0In fact, I have a client now who, w= ithin one song can rise and fall from 90 BPM to 150 BPM. =A0Within a measur= e! =A0But I've figured out how to make it work and, weirdest of weirds, whe= n it's finished it usually sounds quite pro. =A0=A0=0A=0AEvery bird in the = jungle has an important song.=A0=0A=0AThe key for you is figuring out what = YOUR song is. =A0When you put it out there, other birds might complain beca= use their song is different. =A0You have to be strong in who you are and wh= at you love or you'll go crazy... BUT! =A0...all the while improving your v= ision, honing your chops, ever vigilant for stuff that sucks or can be impr= oved. =A0There isn't a good player on earth who can't improve somewhere. = =A0 I've been with some of the real masters and it's amazing how humble and= hard working they are. =A0=0A=0ARick is a beautiful man, a stellar human a= nd spectacular drummer. =A0I hear what he's saying and I hear what you're d= oing. =A0=0A=0AI think a good piece of advice is never ask a drummer what h= e thinks of your drum tracks because he has that specialized metronome, his= own bird song, going inside. =A0Rick is highly refined and has a vision he= 's been honing for decades. =A0Drummers OBSESS on meter. =A0I have some wil= d stories about that too.=A0=0A=0AI wouldn't worry a lick if he critiqued o= ne of my drum tracks. =A0I expect that from good drummers. =A0It's all in t= he nature of the game. =A0 I can always improve. =A0I can always learn. =A0= I can always reject someone's valid criticism if it runs counter to the voi= ce inside. =A0I can also take it in if it seems true to me. =A0It's a fine = line you just learn with time.=0A=0AI used to internalize this kind of stuf= f and after 40 some years of playing professionally I've learned to not dwe= ll on the negatives too much. =A0It can eat you alive. =A0Never let anythin= g eat you alive but the desire to be the very best Kay'lon on earth!=A0=0A= =0AMy take on your track was that it was extremely organic. =A0I heard your= bird song. =A0Can it be improved? =A0Can my music be improved? =A0Was Jimi= Hendrix sloppy sometimes? =A0Did he go to learn from great players every c= hance he got?=A0=0A=0AJust keep working it, refining the diamond until it's= blinding. =A0=0A=0AMy own bird obsesses on boredom - boring parts, music t= hat puts me to sleep, parts in a song where I yawn or start thinking about = something else. =A0That's my particular bird song and it drives me crazy to= hear music that's lazy, too easily self satisfied and doesn't take into co= nsideration the competition, all the amazing stuff that's gone before - reg= ardless of category. =A0My bird demands that I strive with all I have to be= original and present that originality as good as I can (which can always b= e improved!)=A0=0A=0AWe're competing with Beethoven, the Beatles, Bartok an= d Blind Blake. =A0For me, the challenge is fabulous and keeps me on task. = =A0It keeps me young and alert and I'm 64 years old.=0A=0AAll the answers a= re inside you. =A0That's where the last word should come to rest.=0A=0AAll = the above is just my opinion. =A0Don't worry. =A0Just keep moving forward.= =0A=0Ayour fellow bird,=0A=0ARichard=0A=0A(Sorry this was SO long! =A0I'd j= ust finished a session and read the thread about your stuff, listened and j= ust had to take a solo!!!)=0A=0A=0Arichard sales=0Awww.glasswing.com=0Awww.= richardsales.com=0Awww.hayleysales.com=0Awww.goodnaturefarms.com=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Jun 8, 2012, at 3:57 PM, kay'lon rushing wrot= e:=0A=0AThe part that somewhat scares me is that I litterally can't hear th= e innaccuracy of the drums in the first video. Is it the whole thing or is = it just something within the loop?=0A>On Jun 8, 2012 3:19 PM, "Rick Walker"= wrote:=0A>=0A>On 6/8/12 4:16 AM, Rainer Straschill w= rote:=0A>>=0A>>If done by an accomplished musician, I find the combination = of the=0A>>>machine-like (because it's a machine) and accurate human inaccu= rate=0A>>>groove really interesting.=0A>>>=0A>>I do, too, Rainer. =A0 =A0I = remember the first time I ever saw Ultravox play in the 70's.=0A>>They had = a drummer with a kick, snare, hi hat and ride cymbal (unheard of minimalism= in the=0A>>world of 70's excess) and he was playing with a Roland CR-78 an= alogue drum machine.=0A>>=0A>>You could feel his 'humaneness' (re: imperfec= tion) as it related to the perfectly quantized=0A>>drum machine (there were= only perfectly quantized drum machines in those days.......changeable=0A>>= quantization wouldn't occur, technologically until the 80's).=0A>>=0A>>I wa= s stunned and have been a fan of drum machines ever since, to this day.=0A>= >=0A>>And there is an interesting thing about the interaction of *perfect* = timing and *human timing*=0A>>in human pattern recognition.=0A>>=0A>>In lit= erature or film they talk about the "reasonable suspension of disbelief"...= .......you=0A>>either buy the premise of a Science Fiction movie or you don= 't. =A0 It isn't real of course, but=0A>>if you can suspend the concept tha= t it's not real, then the experience can seem very real.=0A>>=0A>>This can = happen in drum programming as well.=0A>>Early on, when the first digitally = sampled drum machines came out (the Linn Drum, the EMU Drumulator and other= s)=0A>>Record producers learned that if you played perfectly quantized drum= samples in a groove that it felt 'stiff'.=0A>>But they quickly learned tha= t they programmed all of the kick, snare and tom parts to be perfectly quan= tized and then=0A>>had a studio drummer come in and play hi hats and cymbal= s over the top of this, =A0the listener would=0A>>*buy* the results and be = fooled into thinking that the entire track was real.=0A>>=0A>>I've found th= at one can use as little as 10% to 30% non quantized tracks on top of rigid= ly quantized tracks=0A>>and the net result is that the tracks will sound *h= uman*.=0A>>=0A>>Another thing I've discovered is that the faster the BPM of= a track and the more complex the track is syncopatively,=0A>>(as in Kay'lo= n's first example track) the more effective it is to use rigid quantization= .=0A>>=0A>>You are already asking the brain a lot to *hear* a very syncopat= ed beat (that one is a much longer discussion and is=0A>>the basis of the R= hythm Intensive course that I teach to melodic musicians) so if you throw i= n relative rhythmic inaccuracy=0A>>to the mix, =A0it just makes the whole t= hing more problematic.=0A>>=0A>>Also, in Kay'lon's particular case, =A0 to = quantize those drum beats at the onset of the piece can then enable him=0A>= >to play with non quantized/human feel on top of the tracks with his initia= l organ rhythm parts.=0A>>=0A>>To me, it is fascinating that we can convinc= e the brain, unconsciously to have the 'reasonable suspension of disbelief'= =0A>>through how we loop and how we program.=0A>>=0A>>Rick=0A>>=0A>> --1662753009-54014045-1339205545=:32157 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have to chime in here. in the 80s, I worked with drummers who said, "= ;drum machines will never take the place of real drums". What they did= n't know was, many hits back then wee made with a Linn machine and they= didn't even notice! I've always had the attitude, "it;s not w= hat you have, it's how you use it". In an old addition of Front of= House magazine, which caters to live sound reinforcement folks, interviewe= d a prominent sound tech. When asked of his fantasy gig, he replied, "= I'd like to give the opening act any equipment they want for the mix, t= hen mix the headliner act with a Peavey Mark IV mixer". I say, "h= ere here"!
Rig
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From: richard sales <richard@gla= sswing.com>
To: Loo= pers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Can I have your feedback?]<= br>

=0A
H= ere's the trick, Kay'lon;

Never let critiques ge= t under your skin.  Take what makes sense and use it and leave the res= t in the dust... or maybe for later.

Musician'= s lives have been totally derailed by small comments, or comments made in t= he spirit of camaraderie. I know because it happened to me a few times. &nb= sp;Fortunately, I'm good on the rebound and have survived to write this= email and do fairly well with music.

I'll nev= er forget the first real pro R&B session I did.  The producer was = just cruel, harsh on the folks trying out for parts. "You should quit = now. That was the worst playing I've ever heard" etc.  I swea= r this is true!  I was aghast.  But the crazy thing was, the reje= cted just picked up their axes and moved on.  

Music is extremely subjective.  I heard your stuff and the irregularity didn't reall= y bother me, but that's just how I roll.  I produce music so tight= you couldn't fit tissue paper between the beat and the dotted 64th, bu= t I also do music that is wild and out of control.  In fact, I have a = client now who, within one song can rise and fall from 90 BPM to 150 BPM. &= nbsp;Within a measure!  But I've figured out how to make it work a= nd, weirdest of weirds, when it's finished it usually sounds quite pro.=   

Every bird in the jungle has an impo= rtant song. 

The key for you is figuring out = what YOUR song is.  When you put it out there, other birds might compl= ain because their song is different.  You have to be strong in who you= are and what you love or you'll go crazy... BUT!  ...all the whil= e improving your vision, honing your chops, ever vigilant for stuff that sucks or can be improved.  There isn't a good player on eart= h who can't improve somewhere.   I've been with some of the re= al masters and it's amazing how humble and hard working they are.  = ;

Rick is a beautiful man, a stellar human and spe= ctacular drummer.  I hear what he's saying and I hear what you'= ;re doing.  

I think a good piece of advice i= s never ask a drummer what he thinks of your drum tracks because he has tha= t specialized metronome, his own bird song, going inside.  Rick is hig= hly refined and has a vision he's been honing for decades.  Drumme= rs OBSESS on meter.  I have some wild stories about that too. 

I wouldn't worry a lick if he critiqued one of m= y drum tracks.  I expect that from good drummers.  It's all i= n the nature of the game.   I can always improve.  I can always learn.  I can always reject someone's valid criticism if i= t runs counter to the voice inside.  I can also take it in if it seems= true to me.  It's a fine line you just learn with time.

I used to internalize this kind of stuff and after 40 some = years of playing professionally I've learned to not dwell on the negati= ves too much.  It can eat you alive.  Never let anything eat you = alive but the desire to be the very best Kay'lon on earth! 
<= div>
My take on your track was that it was extremely organic.=  I heard your bird song.  Can it be improved?  Can my music= be improved?  Was Jimi Hendrix sloppy sometimes?  Did he go to l= earn from great players every chance he got? 

Just keep working it, refining the diamond until it's blinding.  =

My own bird obsesses on boredom - boring parts, music that puts me to sleep, parts in a song where I yawn or start = thinking about something else.  That's my particular bird song and= it drives me crazy to hear music that's lazy, too easily self satisfie= d and doesn't take into consideration the competition, all the amazing = stuff that's gone before - regardless of category.  My bird demand= s that I strive with all I have to be original and present that originality= as good as I can (which can always be improved!) 

We're competing with Beethoven, the Beatles, Bartok and Blind Bla= ke.  For me, the challenge is fabulous and keeps me on task.  It = keeps me young and alert and I'm 64 years old.

All the answers are inside you.  That's where the last word shoul= d come to rest.

All the above is just my opinion. =  Don't worry.  Just keep moving forward.

your fellow bird,

Richard

(Sorry this was SO long!  I'd = just finished a session and read the thread about your stuff, listened and = just had to take a solo!!!)

=0A
On Jun 8, 2012= , at 3:57 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote:

The part that somewhat= scares me is that I litterally can't hear the innaccuracy of the drums= in the first video. Is it the whole thing or is it just something within t= he loop?

=0A
On Jun 8, 2012 3:19 = PM, "Rick Walker" <loopp= ool@cruzio.com> wrote:
=0AOn 6/8/12 4:16 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote:
=0A
=0AIf done by an accomplished musician, I find = the combination of the
=0Amachine-like (because it's a machine) and = accurate human inaccurate
=0Agroove really interesting.
=0A=0A
=0AI do, too, Rainer.    I remember the first time I ev= er saw Ultravox play in the 70's.
=0AThey had a drummer with a kick,= snare, hi hat and ride cymbal (unheard of minimalism in the
=0Aworld of= 70's excess) and he was playing with a Roland CR-78 analogue drum mach= ine.
=0A
=0AYou could feel his 'humaneness' (re: imperfection= ) as it related to the perfectly quantized
=0Adrum machine (there were o= nly perfectly quantized drum machines in those days.......changeable
=0A= quantization wouldn't occur, technologically until the 80's).
= =0A
=0AI was stunned and have been a fan of drum machines ever since, to= this day.
=0A
=0AAnd there is an interesting thing about the interac= tion of *perfect* timing and *human timing*
=0Ain human pattern recognit= ion.
=0A
=0AIn literature or film they talk about the "reasonabl= e suspension of disbelief"..........you
=0Aeither buy the premise o= f a Science Fiction movie or you don't.   It isn't real of cou= rse, but
=0Aif you can suspend the concept that it's not real, then = the experience can seem very real.
=0A
=0AThis can happen in drum pro= gramming as well.
=0AEarly on, when the first digitally sampled drum mac= hines came out (the Linn Drum, the EMU Drumulator and others)
=0ARecord = producers learned that if you played perfectly quantized drum samples in a = groove that it felt 'stiff'.
=0ABut they quickly learned that th= ey programmed all of the kick, snare and tom parts to be perfectly quantize= d and then
=0Ahad a studio drummer come in and play hi hats and cymbals = over the top of this,  the listener would
=0A*buy* the results and = be fooled into thinking that the entire track was real.
=0A
=0AI'= ve found that one can use as little as 10% to 30% non quantized tracks on t= op of rigidly quantized tracks
=0Aand the net result is that the tracks = will sound *human*.
=0A
=0AAnother thing I've discovered is that = the faster the BPM of a track and the more complex the track is syncopative= ly,
=0A(as in Kay'lon's first example track) the more effective = it is to use rigid quantization.
=0A
=0AYou are already asking the br= ain a lot to *hear* a very syncopated beat (that one is a much longer discu= ssion and is
=0Athe basis of the Rhythm Intensive course that I teach to= melodic musicians) so if you throw in relative rhythmic inaccuracy
=0At= o the mix,  it just makes the whole thing more problematic.
=0A
= =0AAlso, in Kay'lon's particular case,   to quantize those dru= m beats at the onset of the piece can then enable him
=0Ato play with no= n quantized/human feel on top of the tracks with his initial organ rhythm p= arts.
=0A
=0ATo me, it is fascinating that we can convince the brain,= unconsciously to have the 'reasonable suspension of disbelief'
= =0Athrough how we loop and how we program.
=0A
=0ARick
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=0A<= /blockquote>
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--1662753009-54014045-1339205545=:32157-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 03:43:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5684F183455; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 03:43:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Ed Durbrow Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_566FEBE0-7153-464A-B1DF-AD6702B84EE8" Subject: Re: STRATEGIES for REHARMONIZATION in LIVE LOOP COMPOSITION Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 12:43:16 +0900 In-Reply-To: <4FD29476.9090105@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4FD29476.9090105@cruzio.com> Message-Id: <1CEE54C1-28FD-4DB9-87FE-45B4D45ED747@sea.plala.or.jp> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa01b; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 12:43:16 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 03:43:20 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_566FEBE0-7153-464A-B1DF-AD6702B84EE8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Jun 9, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > What are some tricks or strategies that you use to create either more = complex harmony > (as opposed to purely modal or diatonic harmony) in melodic = songwriting? Either or =85 ?=20 Use common tones to modulate. For example take the A in an F chord and = use it as the 7th in a B chord to modulate to E. To get away from model writing, try counterpoint, particularly = chromatic. So how could you do any of this with a looper?=20= --Apple-Mail=_566FEBE0-7153-464A-B1DF-AD6702B84EE8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
What are some tricks or strategies that you = use to create either more complex harmony
(as = opposed to purely modal or diatonic harmony) in melodic = songwriting?

Either or =85 = ? 
Use common tones to modulate. For example take the A = in an F chord and use it as the 7th in a B chord to modulate to = E.
To get away from model writing, try counterpoint, = particularly chromatic.

So how could you do any = of this with a looper? 
= --Apple-Mail=_566FEBE0-7153-464A-B1DF-AD6702B84EE8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 03:46:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EFED183464; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 03:46:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mmdB+i+ae24T/7WIiYAdAE0BUX8WMMk+WFCa74OBeGk=; b=CIJmsa/KeAPMyNah4GTDponOzgNS8vUakmtCdWZf/ntpVZBYYHgRl8wRo9ahP0DV7D tV3tIbZciCF/zO49H5F0C2ynyVoxZwD67CNHqJD+onR1QgoF0tsCcZGRyMe7+MG8/5h8 gMNfbMZT9xTZdF5zTFA7ZC6GfV56ecq06KSTWQJ+r4zwmuYRVlDUISY0xrWyZ1ULKjiZ /TvPpc6RiRfFsOLnjKgJiP5WM5qnyJolkX3015/stwH6aQQayKqJIr6zf/e0Ky0lXzwb bqYiAzXPV3hLNOJoC4Q/XtBUyk0PFCgCXtjGlUoNjhXdH9KnoJvehUfZhmRidAound+C QuWQ== Message-ID: <4FD2C70B.60408@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 05:46:19 +0200 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP question: unrounded multiply directly into overdub? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 03:46:14 +0000 (UTC) Hi EDP specialists, I have a EDP-related question: First of all, I don't have an EDP available, rather am writing something for an EDP user, so the "try it" version does not work here... So, here's the use case: I start to record a loop with 2 beats length, then switch to half-speed - 4 beats. Only other modifications are overdubs. Then (while still in halfspeed), I want to shorten the loop to its first half (2 beats) and immediately go into overdub. I seem to understand that for shortening a loop, the only way is to do Multiply->Record. So how do I get this immediate overdub after I end multiply? Tricky Quant/Round settings? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 07:05:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C22A0183462; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 07:05:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FD2F5AA.7010405@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 00:05:14 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "kay'lon rushing" CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Can I have your feedback?] References: <25FF57F2-6DD3-4292-A739-869869AD18DC@glasswing.com> In-Reply-To: <25FF57F2-6DD3-4292-A739-869869AD18DC@glasswing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 07:05:23 +0000 (UTC) kay'lon wrote: > The part that somewhat scares me is that I litterally can't hear the > innaccuracy of the drums in the first video. Is it the whole thing or > is it just something within the loop? > > Dear Kay'lon, I try to have a policy of not giving gratuitous ('unasked for') critiques of anything. I also have a policy that if someone asks for critique that it serves no one to not be completely honest if you hear something. To critique the timing in your drum beat in your first video is NOT a critique of you in the slightest. It's an attempt at an honest appraisal of what I heard in service to your request for a critique. In the case of this track, I can give you a lot of good advice about how to train yourself so that you *can* hear the difference between a slightly inaccurate track and a metronomic track, even at quite hi speeds, but that advice is only good if it's something you truly want to learn. Absolutely no worries, if you don't want to learn it. It doesn't make you wrong or me right. In terms of not being able to hear the difference as you stated above, here is a suggestion if you'd like to teach yourself how to hear more deeply, rhythmically. Since I assume you know what you were attempting in terms of a rhythmic feel, Go back and re-record your rhythm into a midi sequencer at the same exact tempo. now take the original tracks' .wav (or .aiff) file and put it above the .wav file of your quantized rhythm in a sound editor or DAW and just look at the differences. If you do this correctly, there will be small distance between where the perfectly quantized beat falls and where you originally played the track with your own sense of timing. Pay special attention to all of the rhythms that are on the 16th note 'offbeat' side of the rhythm: These are the notes that people typically either *rush* or *drag* with their own personal performances In the little grid below, every symbol takes up 1 sixteenth note: (in this case, the Xs = notes played and the * = rests in the rhythm) X * * X * * X * X * X * X X * X 1 e + a 2 e + a 3 e + a 4 e + a in this particular example, you'd be paying close attention to the *a* of *beat 1* and the *e* and *a* of *beat 4*. In this case, the *1 + 2 + 3 + 4 +* (or 8th notes) can be considered *on beats* while all the *e* and *a* symbols we'll call *off beats* (or , in this case, *16 note offbeats*) and are the ones to pay close attention to. Are those offbeats played ahead of the metronome or after..........by analyzing this, you can begin to understand how you do things naturally. Nothing you did was wrong, per se, but as a producer and professional drummer, I heard the differences between what you played and the same rhythm quantized perfectly to 16th notes. I hope you understand that everything I've written has been in the spirit of helping you out because you asked for critiques of your tracks. I think it's wonderful that you are being so aggressive in terms of putting your music out there and that it's great that we have a community that can share it's knowledge. Okay, 'nuff said, I look forward to hearing the next 'bird song' that you create, my friend. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 07:26:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81C1818345D; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 07:26:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FD2FA8B.50609@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 00:26:03 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ed Durbrow CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: STRATEGIES for REHARMONIZATION in LIVE LOOP COMPOSITION References: <1CEE54C1-28FD-4DB9-87FE-45B4D45ED747@sea.plala.or.jp> In-Reply-To: <1CEE54C1-28FD-4DB9-87FE-45B4D45ED747@sea.plala.or.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 07:26:11 +0000 (UTC) On 6/8/12 8:43 PM, Ed Durbrow wrote: > > Either or … ? > Use common tones to modulate. For example take the A in an F chord and > use it as the 7th in a B chord to modulate to E. Thanks for the advice, but let me make sure I understand what you are suggesting. In the particular example that you use, does this just mean that if I were to play an F chord as, say, the IV chord in Cmajor that I could then follow it with B major (and not a B diminished which would keep me in C major) just because it shares the pitch, A from the original chord progression? Not sure if this is correct, but if it is, do I only need to have one common pitch in two chords that are in different key centers? A trick my friend Paul Wagner just showed me is instead of using a vii (diminished) chord that if you drop the 7 down a half step, the diminished chord becomes a Major chord whose 3rd and 5th degress are still in the original key signature........in this case your forced substitution of the a flatted 7th, suddenly means that what was a C major is now a G major and the scale you are now using only differs from the original key by one single F#. This is done beautifully in One Hand, One Heart by Leonard Bernstein in West Side Story. That trick is a beautiful one and I've been trying to look at different ways to make the same thing happen with other chords in a standard progression (largely, making something major, minor and vice versa) > To get away from model writing, try counterpoint, particularly chromatic. > So how could you do any of this with a looper? I think I don't understand the term counterpoint, especially chromatic counter point. Can you give me a simple definition of what I can actually try or at least steer me to a good book on the subject. Is counterpoint used in modern songwriting, out of curiosity? I, of course, have heard it in J.S. Bach's music, though I"m not sure I understand what he's doing harmonically speaking. **************************** and the way I use this in looping is just the songs I'm trying to figure out how to produce live with my very limited instrumental skills on several several different chordally based instruments. The only other way I've been using some of these concepts in real time is by using a trick that my brother taught me, which is to eliminate the use of a 3rd or 7th, so that the scale one is playing in can be determined by the soloing musician as opposed to the chordalist (the entire philosophical approach used by Bill Evans on "Kind of Blue" by Miles Davis. Additionally, I've been using altered four note tunings on tenor banjo, tenor guitar, baritone ukulele and fretless bass that purposefully avoid 3rds and 7ths so that I can be modulating with impunity, knowing that all four open strings have several modes in common. As an example, I'm in love with a tuning that goes I, 5, 6, 9, lately. From this tuning (and on the fly) I can play a I ionian, I dorian, I lydian, I mixolydian scale and I can play a major triad, a minor triad, a sus2 or a sus4 chord which alters the key signature of the piece I'm in. It's a beautiful tuning that has so many possibilities. I'm just discovering them as I speak. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 07:32:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64A3B183460; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 07:32:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FD2FC1F.5010909@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 00:32:47 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bill bigrig CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: [Fwd: Re: Can I have your feedback?] References: <1339205545.32157.YahooMailNeo@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1339205545.32157.YahooMailNeo@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 07:32:55 +0000 (UTC) On 6/8/12 6:32 PM, bill bigrig wrote: > I have to chime in here. in the 80s, I worked with drummers who said, > "drum machines will never take the place of real drums". What they > didn't know was, many hits back then wee made with a Linn machine and > they didn't even notice! Here, here, Bill! I talked about this in an earlier reply to a post in this thread from Rainer...... mentioning the fact that adding hi hats and cymbals played by a real drummer onto perfectly quantized kicks and snares causes the listener to have a 'reasonable suspension of disbelief'. I really like confusing people in this way. I like to use drum machines with the quantize turned off and I live to play drums occasionally to emulate a perfectly quantized drum machine. I noticed, early on that people used synths, samplers and drum machines to emulate real instruments. I think it's really hip to try to make synths and samplers sound really synthetic and non-human at time and conversely to make acoustic drums sound really synthetic and 'processed'. I did a track on Barry Clevelands latest CD, "Hologramaton" with gigantic chain links draped over my snares, toms and cymbals to simulate crude distortion. There are also several cymbal manufacturers who make cymbals that sound as if they had processing on them. I have one called a 'Flange Cymbal' because it has a flangey sound to it. I have another that sounds like those weird analogue ride cymbals from the TR808 drum machines. I also have two flat (no shell) kick drums that sound like the subsonic TR808 kick drum sound, acoustically. It's cool to mix it up, sonically! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 08:06:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1255183460; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 08:06:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+wnnvl5fAwpTagc0g5sr3bQ/YS9/PPkIibju8JdWjoE=; b=s5o4V/ImRLUTfU0bUMGqtiMMO0ROv8SF/ZOhh3bz5CIr/X1OInDp1NnTmdBgh1zIrm CRLdMCIyFlxRUNBzA0VILD/kI2kGe8QeHJXgn8ASpqrs310ziLtSMzd9Q/mChWXnx4aT +nRjEJPsbE+bWpsrOO4VSoRRV9++KLiFpPcjLd8b5OTnLkTR7DiWXQrQc+NHN48o7+4E P5bCqfMoyOPhYo26LYostWSlYr7/ONuFV0GgtIPFLTlwlHRBvYCAjnED4X2b2frOkVvd aH855zyiig+UBLlFt9ljjZ4HfY0WHJ1az+nWoT4RJlJgjkes4qtFCDXsaezIfgtm/LMQ fWZQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 18:06:06 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: RC300 - can't seem to achieve 2 tracks sync'ed, the other independent From: andrew garton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb20780bef07704c2059694 Resent-Message-ID: <64B7_B.A.lvB.vPw0PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 08:06:07 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8fb20780bef07704c2059694 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am using the following sync/tempo settings on my RC300: Track 1: Loop Sync ON, Tempo Sync OFF Track 2: Loop Sync ON, Tempo Sync OFF Track 3: Loop Sync OFF, Tempo Sync OFF I thought that I should be able to play with tracks 1 and 2 sync'ed up (eg. a 4 beat percussion pattern in track 1, then 8 beats of chords in track 2 - all going well so far), then track 3 totally independent. But when I play a 3 beat pattern in track 3, then end the loop on beat 4, the RC300 just adds an extra beat and starts track 3 up again on beat 1. I would have thought that since Loop sync is OFF, the track 3 loop should actually play on beats 4, 1 and 2, then 3, 4, 1, etc cycling around. This is not what happens. Has anyone experienced this issue? Or any insight on why this isn't working for me? (BTW - I find it disturbing/annoying that the RC300 keeps trying to work out what tempo I'm playing in even when tempo sync is off...) Cheers --e89a8fb20780bef07704c2059694 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am using the following sync/tempo settings on my RC300:

Track 1: Loop Sync ON, Tempo Sync OFF
Track 2: Loop Sync ON, Te= mpo Sync OFF
Track 3: Loop Sync OFF, Tempo Sync OFF

I thought that I should be able to play with trac= ks 1 and 2 sync'ed up (eg. a 4 beat percussion pattern in track 1, then= 8 beats of chords in track 2 - all going well so far), then track 3 totall= y independent. But when I play a 3 beat pattern in track 3, then end the lo= op on beat 4, the RC300 just adds an extra beat and starts track 3 up again= on beat 1. I would have thought that since Loop sync is OFF, the track 3 l= oop should actually play on beats 4, 1 and 2, then 3, 4, 1, etc cycling aro= und. This is not what happens.

Has anyone experienced this issue? Or any insight on wh= y this isn't working for me?

(BTW - I find it = disturbing/annoying that the RC300 keeps trying to work out what tempo I= 9;m playing in even when tempo sync is off...)

Cheers

--e89a8fb20780bef07704c2059694-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 08:17:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 147A2183461; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 08:17:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FD30683.803@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 04:17:07 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Thought Radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 08:17:21 +0000 (UTC) THOUGHT RADIO: http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio ======================================================================= My next stint on Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show, will be Saturday, June 9 at 6 am EDT/GMT-4. In Phase One, I will continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I host the show every other week. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 08:22:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 912A218345D; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 08:22:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 779568639/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.21.67/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.21.67 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAFgH009YbRVD/2dsb2JhbAANOLd4AQEBBCcRQBELGAkWDwkDAgECAUUcAcBajXWDGwOaXo0c X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,381,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="779568639" Message-ID: <4FD307D3.2050907@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 09:22:43 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP question: unrounded multiply directly into overdub? References: <4FD2C70B.60408@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <4FD2C70B.60408@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 08:22:34 +0000 (UTC) hi Rainer, 3 ways 1) be in Overdub before you start the Mult 2) during Mult, hit Overdub first(which will start a *rounded* mult ending in overdub) then hit Rec to make the Mult unrounded 3) make initial loop 2 cycles, that can be done by hitting Insert twice half way through the recording, then end the mult with Overdub setting to cut loop length accurately in 2 Quant = 8th 8th/cycle = 2 andy Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Hi EDP specialists, > > I have a EDP-related question: > First of all, I don't have an EDP available, rather am writing something > for an EDP user, so the "try it" version does not work here... > > So, here's the use case: > > I start to record a loop with 2 beats length, then switch to half-speed > - 4 beats. Only other modifications are overdubs. > Then (while still in halfspeed), I want to shorten the loop to its first > half (2 beats) and immediately go into overdub. > > I seem to understand that for shortening a loop, the only way is to do > Multiply->Record. So how do I get this immediate overdub after I end > multiply? Tricky Quant/Round settings? > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 09:17:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11607183460; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:17:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 773746194/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.21.67/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.21.67 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAH0T009YbRVD/2dsb2JhbAANOLd4AQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYgCuEuNdYMbA5pejRw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,381,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="773746194" Message-ID: <4FD314B0.6050204@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:17:36 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Can I have your feedback?] References: <25FF57F2-6DD3-4292-A739-869869AD18DC@glasswing.com> <4FD2F5AA.7010405@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4FD2F5AA.7010405@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:17:26 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > In terms of not being able to hear the difference as you stated above, but he would be able to hear the *difference* Actually I doubt that rhythm would work at all if squared off. If I analyse, I find times in that track where it would sound more rhythmically cohesive with a straighter beat behind it, but the rest the time I just hear it as totally working. To my ears at least, Kay'lon has a great feel for rhythm. I reckon it's much harder to make something non-metronomic work with drum machine sounds as opposed to natural sounds, and it's great to hear someone giving that a go. If it sounds a bit 'out' to us old musos then maybe that's a story we should recognise. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 09:17:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52BD1183464; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:17:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 783388547/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.21.67/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.21.67 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAAAU009YbRVD/2dsb2JhbAANOLd4AQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBwE+NdYMbA5pejRw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,381,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="783388547" Message-ID: <4FD314BE.1040407@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:17:50 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Can I have your feedback?] References: <4FD1DF17.8080006@googlemail.com> <4FD27A50.1040504@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <15mUx.A.wuC.4Sx0PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:17:44 +0000 (UTC) kay'lon rushing wrote: > The part that somewhat scares me is that I litterally can't hear the > innaccuracy of the drums in the first video. I can't hear any inaccuracy there either :-) I can hear it's not quantised tho'. Try programming that beat on a grid...bet it doesn't work. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 09:50:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B58A183460; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:50:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gtPcum/8yoH9UcRXKcTVwPoopImWCvvrrBTTMtvnIbA=; b=aapQwp0yEXt0XU3NGOU9q+XoO+iRqILDptWVx39FBhr2+Gatu2rKVx8wkQKNqlqeg/ +wrXB9hMNkTr997tgLIHAnQSZKejFt58OA1kFEEYNzYbtvqu3tP8FlpKgbqybfy36GMm zwIdDQ1acLUc3Nwsg+DfsP8CxijDZv0ua9z7Ab44dHYY6suywcUJZBpn941CHmjArQ4J HD5riZrIWo32LIiNPXEEdnHGJ8qrZohDPPvO7vlijjtz/RTK6dzrRHoMIt4mYG1dqqnh IH6Hp8tt1p9IGdhcLkYSNv6fZ0poIa8VKASFGn5f/0b0bDbpf3Tb9l2i7Hgt/+t1T/TP usYQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FD2C70B.60408@googlemail.com> References: <4FD2C70B.60408@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 11:50:41 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: EDP question: unrounded multiply directly into overdub? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:50:42 +0000 (UTC) If you're writing software, can't you just create a new function to fit the bill? For example like Jeff didi in Mobius with the Instant Multiply/Divide function. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 5:46 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Hi EDP specialists, > > I have a EDP-related question: > First of all, I don't have an EDP available, rather am writing something = for > an EDP user, so the "try it" version does not work here... > > So, here's the use case: > > I start to record a loop with 2 beats length, then switch to half-speed -= 4 > beats. Only other modifications are overdubs. > Then (while still in halfspeed), I want to shorten the loop to its first > half (2 beats) and immediately go into overdub. > > I seem to understand that for shortening a loop, the only way is to do > Multiply->Record. So how do I get this immediate overdub after I end > multiply? Tricky Quant/Round settings? > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Rainer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 10:13:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6677183455; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 10:13:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=tu2oyEjAsyhCo/gvqZxum+hK9ooC9ZVOwo2kaGwzjbQ=; b=pLou4K336EkBTIFOJ7vPoD4OyB7GlQ+zg2cZvvXwJE9qpSr9oumbkWDlOQeZwZJmcO RSpArfNL9U3kW7IXLru3BTBgWt6oVYf0F5uYh/AkyRV6tZP3O3Wulz+EKma5o2opV7q/ 3mcZ+EAU4mVg1aa0cE5NASpSiTOunzSvxA75gMSY/VlFJ3ALDM5MJzAAVEyFjGLKV1ap ieFXo1Z6N3hcf5XW7DUdRfmiWfCD8xaod0hHEpZ2EdTe4XuYjuH/lVtH9BnupsZNo6oR qFAJNnds7vKNcUppEx+4IAsYp0FBRT1kzvhfI/YtHaCPdGzMbgAGAlx4R9hkxN1oLoIK TDMQ== Subject: Re: STRATEGIES for REHARMONIZATION in LIVE LOOP COMPOSITION References: <4FD29476.9090105@cruzio.com> From: F_Anile Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-47F115CF-36CE-4158-9907-CC0A5F3C9DE4 X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B176) In-Reply-To: <4FD29476.9090105@cruzio.com> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 12:13:09 +0200 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 10:13:14 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-47F115CF-36CE-4158-9907-CC0A5F3C9DE4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Interesting discussion, Rick. Chords substitution is one method for reharmonization I use. I'm talking about tritone substitution (in a C (I) context, G7 (V) could be'= substituted with D=E2=99=AD7+). Another tip is to use the diminished seventh chord in place of a dominant 7t= h chord, or alter the chord' quality, just changing one pitch of your origin= al chord. You can substitute the relative major and minor of hour original chord to sl= ight move in another harmonic context. Another trick I use is to stress a note of the melody and take it as the roo= t for a different harmonies context (in a D-7 context, try to stress on your= melody the D note, then suddenly move the chord to a different harmonic con= text wich is related with the D note, like Gmaj7 or B=E2=99=ADmaj7). Would love to read what other approaches you guys use. -f Il giorno 09/giu/2012, alle ore 02:10, Rick Walker ha s= critto: > STRATEGIES for REHARMONIZATION in LIVE LOOP COMPOSITION >=20 > I've been reading a lot of books on modern (and classical) harmony lately,= in a desire to learn > more about the use of substitutions in harmony in my live looping composit= ion efforts. >=20 > In my own music, I've done a lot of exploration into ways to manipulate t= ypical diatonic harmony, > modal harmony and I've learned a lot about different world approaches to s= calar playing. >=20 > Now, I want to investigate ways to purposefully play outside of scales ou= tside of typical > straight modulation techniques. >=20 > So, I was wondering: >=20 > What are some tricks or strategies that you use to create either more comp= lex harmony > (as opposed to purely modal or diatonic harmony) in melodic songwriting? >=20 > Rick Walker >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-47F115CF-36CE-4158-9907-CC0A5F3C9DE4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Interesting discussion, Ri= ck.

Chords substitution is one method for reharmoni= zation I use.
I'm talking about tritone substitution (in a C (I) c= ontext, G7 (V) could be' substituted with D= =E2=99=AD7+).
Another tip is to use the diminished sev= enth chord in place of a dominant 7th chord, or alter the chord' quality, ju= st changing one pitch of your original chord.
You can substitu= te the relative major and minor of hour original chord to slight move in ano= ther harmonic context.
Another trick I use is to stress a not= e of the melody and take it as the root for a different harmonies context (i= n a D-7 context, try to stress on your melody the D note, then suddenly move= the chord to a different harmonic context wich is related with the D note, l= ike Gmaj7 or B=E2=99=ADmaj7).

Would lov= e to read what other approaches you guys use.

-f


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Il giorno 09/giu/2012, alle ore 02:10, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> ha scritto:

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STRATEGIES for REHARMON= IZATION in LIVE LOOP COMPOSITION

I've been r= eading a lot of books on modern (and classical) harmony lately, in a desire t= o learn
more about the use of substitutions in harmony in my= live looping composition efforts.

In my ow= n music,  I've done a lot of exploration into ways to manipulate typica= l diatonic harmony,
modal harmony and I've learned a lot abo= ut different world approaches to scalar playing.

= Now,  I want to investigate ways to purposefully play outside of s= cales outside of typical
straight modulation techniques.

So, I was wondering:
What are some tricks or strategies that you use to create either mor= e complex harmony
(as opposed to purely modal or diatonic ha= rmony) in melodic songwriting?

Rick Walker<= /span>


= --Apple-Mail-47F115CF-36CE-4158-9907-CC0A5F3C9DE4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 10:17:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B190F183460; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 10:17:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gNfYSrPL+PqUMlBypDYskLPxhCOh6KmIofvTEkdRKLA=; b=kosMs4xy6b3lZ2nDaSj43LjWsHOWDHcj0VwXGwA4gmaEP0QsmvaW2+nILyWMXnv4i8 Gm5Lcjn9OG8+TENqfSGET7xeJFnzptIbxlmUwK2kbhsZJWOWWsUgNVgAAqZduwwD5K4w PnX+zHpPq30wP5d9VYoR/VxaaI1sdSBVB41MTEPdXVVqxJXEeBNzDpzmc1QGmcGLeR3m W1xLvOD8bNBRp/o3PP3HmykUh0Di6U/99bXuJZE6UUtjq6cqHkVktQqVynW7fAiAJjRP j9XYNmcpVAzS7R50VZHfH6vd6oI6Hd4hbIDZESlmdwsMPIYPRHCDUKEA11Fl68nyF4qV u4Vg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1CEE54C1-28FD-4DB9-87FE-45B4D45ED747@sea.plala.or.jp> References: <4FD29476.9090105@cruzio.com> <1CEE54C1-28FD-4DB9-87FE-45B4D45ED747@sea.plala.or.jp> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 12:17:27 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: STRATEGIES for REHARMONIZATION in LIVE LOOP COMPOSITION From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <1WeiXD.A.XdD.4Ky0PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 10:17:28 +0000 (UTC) Since we're talking live looping here (and not music theory) I'd like to mention parallel transposition. In live looping this technique is super easy to achieve: just loop a chord and then speed/rate shift it. Minor vs major chords will of course imply totally different scales when transformed, but that's what makes this so creative. A more general tip is to avoid laying down thirds into loops. Then you leave the music open to imply the thirds in your playing, thus keeping instant control over the major vs minor aspect of the key. About the counterpoint thing: When you listen to any combination of notes, or just sounds, you often hear a melody in your imagination. These "instinctual" inner melodies are often of a counterpoint character, so if you take the time to analyze how it relates to the trigger sound heard you get "the tools". Again, since we're talking live-looping traditional compositional theory won't do, as live-looping means you have to be able to come up with the counterpoint theme as you are playing it and creating the music, so that's why I suggested to rather start by investigating ones own default musical instincts. A simpler example: any rubato part played relates to counterpoint in the way that your brain goes into a "split-vision / multitasking" mode. This mental mode is the attitude to grasp counterpoint on the fly. Another example: Often when you listen a melody your imagination plays up fitting chord changes in your mind. Now, imagine listening to a melody and working your mind to come up with a fitting OTHER melody (instead of the default chord experience). There you go... I've noticed when playing with you, Rick, that you are extremely good at all this inside the tempo domain. A known fact, in rock n roll vocal teaching, is that the rhythm is what it is all about. Teachers even advice students to not even try to sing in tune, just concentrating on nailing the rhythm and its accents. "Musical" notes will follow by automatique, that's just how we humans work. The power of attitude is king! Remember the Miles Davis trick to play in a different key than the music and stick with it, forcing your musical instinct to survive in a partly hostile harmonic territory. Another exercice to train one's brain for counterpoint hearing. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 5:43 AM, Ed Durbrow wrote= : > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > > What are some tricks or strategies that you use to create either more > complex harmony > (as opposed to purely modal or diatonic harmony) in melodic songwriting? > > > Either or =E2=80=A6 ? > Use common tones to modulate. For example take the A in an F chord and us= e > it as the 7th in a B chord to modulate to E. > To get away from model writing, try counterpoint, particularly chromatic. > > So how could you do any of this with a looper? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 10:28:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08F4D183460; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 10:28:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 783405919/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.21.67/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.21.67 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAGIk009YbRVD/2dsb2JhbAANOLd4AQEBAwEyAQVABgsLGAkWDwkDAgECAUUcAYgCuDaREAOaXo0c X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,381,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="783405919" Message-ID: <4FD32564.7070305@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 11:28:52 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: STRATEGIES for REHARMONIZATION in LIVE LOOP COMPOSITION References: <1CEE54C1-28FD-4DB9-87FE-45B4D45ED747@sea.plala.or.jp> <4FD2FA8B.50609@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4FD2FA8B.50609@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7VlxFC.A.CuD.aVy0PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 10:28:42 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > On 6/8/12 8:43 PM, Ed Durbrow wrote: >> >> Either or … ? >> Use common tones to modulate. For example take the A in an F chord and >> use it as the 7th in a B chord to modulate to E. > In the particular example that you use, does this just mean that if I > were to play an F chord as, say, the IV chord in > Cmajor that I could then follow it with B major (and not a B diminished > which would keep me in C major) just because it shares the pitch, A from > the original chord progression? There's actual 3 chords in Ed's example F B7 E where F and B7 are linked by the common note A and E is a "major chord a 4th up from a 7th chord" which is a very common pattern (cadence/resolution) You might want do do that if you suddenly felt that just dropping from F major to E major was a bit clunky. > > Not sure if this is correct, but if it is, do I only need to have one > common pitch in two chords that are in different > key centers? If you can find 2 chords that are linked by a common note then it may well sound good. It can be a way of shifting the harmony smoothly without an obvious discontinuity while most of the music sticks to an expected key structure. > > Is counterpoint used in modern songwriting, out of curiosity? no, not in any 'strict' sense it's barely used at all these days > I, of > course, have heard it > in J.S. Bach's music, though I"m not sure I understand what he's doing > harmonically speaking. He has 2 or more musical strands interlocking in a way that conforms to some very strict rules which were originally developed for vocal music. Imagine you play a big bar chord on a guitar, and then move it up 2 frets. Probably you just broke 3 of the fundamental rules of counterpoint. So, why on earth would you want to learn those rules? Those six notes on the guitar, all transposing up a tone won't give the listener the impression of 6 separate musical lines. If you learned to play a 3 part transcription of vocal counterpoint on guitar then even though you've dropped the number of 'voices' from 6 to 3 you 'll get something that is somehow "bigger" for the listener. It's all about creating the illusion (or sustaining the reality) of independent musical voices so they don't group together in one big lump. Ultimately, those rules are what makes Bach's music sound so different to Jazz, the chords are roughly the same, but the way each independent line moves is very different. Key phrases: 'voice leading' 'contrary motion' Any book with 'Counterpoint' in the title would take you methodically through those rules. To catch a hint of what counterpoint can do for you, compose a piece where as often as possible the melody goes up when the chord goes down and vice versa. ************************************************************************ In short, it's a big universe of stuff that can be usefully assimilated in total or in fragments, or harmlessly ignored. ************************************************************************ :-) so what you really want is a trick to play with. Have a look at the 4 note "diminished" chord as used by jazz players B D F Ab (plus any transpositions) Can be thought of as being built on the 7th degree of an harmonic minor. Now, that chord is perfectly palindromic (if you will, and each of it's notes could be considered as the root of the chord) So play that chord on piano, then pick a note at random and drop it a semitone. Play again, and you have an inversion of a 7th chord (often called dominant seventh). Go back to the diminished, and pick another note to drop by a semitone, again you get a 7th. In all 4 cases the it is the note that drops a semitone that becomes the root of the new 7th chord. So...from any 7th chord you can *raise* the root by a semitone to get a diminished...pick one of the other notes..drop it a semitone and get to a *different* 7th chord in a different key. andy > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 10:37:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7120D183461; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 10:37:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=t54f09pk4z7+VoMqD6hcajVekPNLGGARZw+KT0WyKoY=; b=NtuBfRf7frrr/Bu758ILsUD57sK8HnjtcvdcFHnwjAqqMRbZD5T4l19xaSZArbk7dl 5IKotKG5TAt83i8XoV6TjFnE4XYwmWtBKhMcN6KEKBtrJ38vNBWXFEGEw9kO8Ezf9HOV 6nHrHe8W8IuBjfbGLyH7IgtXIhp0VY4lTkO66llW/ccAHy7oWnjZoxFN6bsTAcsPHORK 9Xo70sKGZKljGol4WWhRMOJsD3mM91dB8sBeOkTMUJsV34R6kEvUJ8F2AMz/eNatu/bw qoThlmuzaPdFH17xzuiZr678Bdpt16o9iuTtO+c9gBunSX8Uzge8CkygTEW2ymmM3e1V 5n6Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FD32564.7070305@tiscali.co.uk> References: <1CEE54C1-28FD-4DB9-87FE-45B4D45ED747@sea.plala.or.jp> <4FD2FA8B.50609@cruzio.com> <4FD32564.7070305@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 12:37:30 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: STRATEGIES for REHARMONIZATION in LIVE LOOP COMPOSITION From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 10:37:31 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 12:28 PM, andy butler wrote= : > Have a look at the 4 note "diminished" chord as used by jazz players > > B D F Ab =C2=A0(plus any transpositions) A funny observation regarding that chord is that there only exists three such chords! If transposing one halfstep at a time you will find that on the fourth halfstep you will be back at the chord you started at but now in a different voicing. ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 13:35:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76C0718345C; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 13:35:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=hFlDZ8hxIVmHScA25xP7XtBVVpO2pG/lcBhtPUQIWnU=; b=K9poHIjJkOpw3c8yh+9mRtYXSTsQ8xHqOSJvq0Md3RubZL9JPwbm6boZDSVdzglfWJ lJRTFoeZKyYGVgJF0sPseOxhG92GEZHpUo/B/X1SVx3PdDOThhW+5VHOWOMhGux4/aFc T91/W32orQmaweHqFVZadxw/qqchCqg3M7q5bkpDyz6ZYAS+uq+nePUbJy9wn1l6MFnP waibE8e7w03c5Az9S2Gkx+KZKvQSrksx/AP86QGlIOgIZUy+J1o6YOPq7i0CHn7ZuJ3a glyuxcAC0iaoxroK3sj6m9NOe67Y7E9ArMIovpbcLwRtyq9iJOojud32/4coXEbHk4C2 aonQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <25FF57F2-6DD3-4292-A739-869869AD18DC@glasswing.com> References: <4FD1DF17.8080006@googlemail.com> <4FD27A50.1040504@cruzio.com> <25FF57F2-6DD3-4292-A739-869869AD18DC@glasswing.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 06:35:08 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Can I have your feedback?] From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043c80607beea604c20a2f73 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 13:35:10 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043c80607beea604c20a2f73 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Wow Richard that was unrealisticly inspiring. Percectly said. That just made me feel a lot better about where I stand musically. I realize that I'm not striving for my music to please percussionists, I'm striving more towards those who enjoy what I present to them. Is that saying I wont take in mind Rick and everyone elses's advice on this thread? Of course not! I definitely want to improve my timing if i can.x I dont have hours to practice it but I can try at least for 20 minutes. As for Bill, I agree with that quote. I've always tried to work with what I have available. I've gotten a bit impatient at times but who doesnt? Lol a lot of the samples I use come from me simply recording something with my phone. On Jun 8, 2012 6:01 PM, "richard sales" wrote: > Here's the trick, Kay'lon; > > Never let critiques get under your skin. Take what makes sense and use it > and leave the rest in the dust... or maybe for later. > > Musician's lives have been totally derailed by small comments, or comments > made in the spirit of camaraderie. I know because it happened to me a few > times. Fortunately, I'm good on the rebound and have survived to write > this email and do fairly well with music. > > I'll never forget the first real pro R&B session I did. The producer was > just cruel, harsh on the folks trying out for parts. "You should quit now. > That was the worst playing I've ever heard" etc. I swear this is true! I > was aghast. But the crazy thing was, the rejected just picked up their > axes and moved on. > > Music is extremely subjective. I heard your stuff and the irregularity > didn't really bother me, but that's just how I roll. I produce music so > tight you couldn't fit tissue paper between the beat and the dotted 64th, > but I also do music that is wild and out of control. In fact, I have a > client now who, within one song can rise and fall from 90 BPM to 150 BPM. > Within a measure! But I've figured out how to make it work and, weirdest > of weirds, when it's finished it usually sounds quite pro. > > Every bird in the jungle has an important song. > > The key for you is figuring out what YOUR song is. When you put it out > there, other birds might complain because their song is different. You > have to be strong in who you are and what you love or you'll go crazy... > BUT! ...all the while improving your vision, honing your chops, ever > vigilant for stuff that sucks or can be improved. There isn't a good > player on earth who can't improve somewhere. I've been with some of the > real masters and it's amazing how humble and hard working they are. > > Rick is a beautiful man, a stellar human and spectacular drummer. I hear > what he's saying and I hear what you're doing. > > I think a good piece of advice is never ask a drummer what he thinks of > your drum tracks because he has that specialized metronome, his own bird > song, going inside. Rick is highly refined and has a vision he's been > honing for decades. Drummers OBSESS on meter. I have some wild stories > about that too. > > I wouldn't worry a lick if he critiqued one of my drum tracks. I expect > that from good drummers. It's all in the nature of the game. I can > always improve. I can always learn. I can always reject someone's valid > criticism if it runs counter to the voice inside. I can also take it in if > it seems true to me. It's a fine line you just learn with time. > > I used to internalize this kind of stuff and after 40 some years of > playing professionally I've learned to not dwell on the negatives too much. > It can eat you alive. Never let anything eat you alive but the desire to > be the very best Kay'lon on earth! > > My take on your track was that it was extremely organic. I heard your > bird song. Can it be improved? Can my music be improved? Was Jimi > Hendrix sloppy sometimes? Did he go to learn from great players every > chance he got? > > Just keep working it, refining the diamond until it's blinding. > > My own bird obsesses on boredom - boring parts, music that puts me to > sleep, parts in a song where I yawn or start thinking about something else. > That's my particular bird song and it drives me crazy to hear music that's > lazy, too easily self satisfied and doesn't take into consideration the > competition, all the amazing stuff that's gone before - regardless of > category. My bird demands that I strive with all I have to be original and > present that originality as good as I can (which can always be improved!) > > We're competing with Beethoven, the Beatles, Bartok and Blind Blake. For > me, the challenge is fabulous and keeps me on task. It keeps me young and > alert and I'm 64 years old. > > All the answers are inside you. That's where the last word should come to > rest. > > All the above is just my opinion. Don't worry. Just keep moving forward. > > your fellow bird, > > Richard > > (Sorry this was SO long! I'd just finished a session and read the thread > about your stuff, listened and just had to take a solo!!!) > > richard sales > www.glasswing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.goodnaturefarms.com > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 8, 2012, at 3:57 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > > The part that somewhat scares me is that I litterally can't hear the > innaccuracy of the drums in the first video. Is it the whole thing or is it > just something within the loop? > On Jun 8, 2012 3:19 PM, "Rick Walker" wrote: > >> On 6/8/12 4:16 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote: >> >>> If done by an accomplished musician, I find the combination of the >>> machine-like (because it's a machine) and accurate human inaccurate >>> groove really interesting. >>> >> >> I do, too, Rainer. I remember the first time I ever saw Ultravox play >> in the 70's. >> They had a drummer with a kick, snare, hi hat and ride cymbal (unheard of >> minimalism in the >> world of 70's excess) and he was playing with a Roland CR-78 analogue >> drum machine. >> >> You could feel his 'humaneness' (re: imperfection) as it related to the >> perfectly quantized >> drum machine (there were only perfectly quantized drum machines in those >> days.......changeable >> quantization wouldn't occur, technologically until the 80's). >> >> I was stunned and have been a fan of drum machines ever since, to this >> day. >> >> And there is an interesting thing about the interaction of *perfect* >> timing and *human timing* >> in human pattern recognition. >> >> In literature or film they talk about the "reasonable suspension of >> disbelief"..........you >> either buy the premise of a Science Fiction movie or you don't. It >> isn't real of course, but >> if you can suspend the concept that it's not real, then the experience >> can seem very real. >> >> This can happen in drum programming as well. >> Early on, when the first digitally sampled drum machines came out (the >> Linn Drum, the EMU Drumulator and others) >> Record producers learned that if you played perfectly quantized drum >> samples in a groove that it felt 'stiff'. >> But they quickly learned that they programmed all of the kick, snare and >> tom parts to be perfectly quantized and then >> had a studio drummer come in and play hi hats and cymbals over the top of >> this, the listener would >> *buy* the results and be fooled into thinking that the entire track was >> real. >> >> I've found that one can use as little as 10% to 30% non quantized tracks >> on top of rigidly quantized tracks >> and the net result is that the tracks will sound *human*. >> >> Another thing I've discovered is that the faster the BPM of a track and >> the more complex the track is syncopatively, >> (as in Kay'lon's first example track) the more effective it is to use >> rigid quantization. >> >> You are already asking the brain a lot to *hear* a very syncopated beat >> (that one is a much longer discussion and is >> the basis of the Rhythm Intensive course that I teach to melodic >> musicians) so if you throw in relative rhythmic inaccuracy >> to the mix, it just makes the whole thing more problematic. >> >> Also, in Kay'lon's particular case, to quantize those drum beats at the >> onset of the piece can then enable him >> to play with non quantized/human feel on top of the tracks with his >> initial organ rhythm parts. >> >> To me, it is fascinating that we can convince the brain, unconsciously to >> have the 'reasonable suspension of disbelief' >> through how we loop and how we program. >> >> Rick >> >> > --f46d043c80607beea604c20a2f73 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Wow Richard that was unrealisticly inspiring. Percectly said. That just = made me feel a lot better about where I stand musically. I realize that I&#= 39;m not striving for my music to please percussionists, I'm striving m= ore towards those who enjoy what I present to them. Is that saying I wont t= ake in mind Rick and everyone elses's advice on this thread? Of course = not! I definitely want to improve my timing if i can.x I dont have hours to= practice it but I can try at least for 20 minutes. As for Bill, I agree wi= th that quote. I've always tried to work with what I have available. I&= #39;ve gotten a bit impatient at times but who doesnt? Lol a lot of the sam= ples I use come from me simply recording something with my phone.

On Jun 8, 2012 6:01 PM, "richard sales"= ; <richard@glasswing.com>= ; wrote:
Here's the trick, Kay'lon;
=
Never let critiques get under your skin. =A0Take what makes = sense and use it and leave the rest in the dust... or maybe for later.

Musician's lives have been totally derailed by smal= l comments, or comments made in the spirit of camaraderie. I know because i= t happened to me a few times. =A0Fortunately, I'm good on the rebound a= nd have survived to write this email and do fairly well with music.

I'll never forget the first real pro R&B sessio= n I did. =A0The producer was just cruel, harsh on the folks trying out for = parts. "You should quit now. That was the worst playing I've ever = heard" etc. =A0I swear this is true! =A0I was aghast. =A0But the crazy= thing was, the rejected just picked up their axes and moved on. =A0

Music is extremely subjective. =A0I heard your stuff an= d the irregularity didn't really bother me, but that's just how I r= oll. =A0I produce music so tight you couldn't fit tissue paper between = the beat and the dotted 64th, but I also do music that is wild and out of c= ontrol. =A0In fact, I have a client now who, within one song can rise and f= all from 90 BPM to 150 BPM. =A0Within a measure! =A0But I've figured ou= t how to make it work and, weirdest of weirds, when it's finished it us= ually sounds quite pro. =A0=A0

Every bird in the jungle has an important song.=A0

The key for you is figuring out what YOUR song is. =A0= When you put it out there, other birds might complain because their song is= different. =A0You have to be strong in who you are and what you love or yo= u'll go crazy... BUT! =A0...all the while improving your vision, honing= your chops, ever vigilant for stuff that sucks or can be improved. =A0Ther= e isn't a good player on earth who can't improve somewhere. =A0 I&#= 39;ve been with some of the real masters and it's amazing how humble an= d hard working they are. =A0

Rick is a beautiful man, a stellar human and spectacula= r drummer. =A0I hear what he's saying and I hear what you're doing.= =A0

I think a good piece of advice is never ask a= drummer what he thinks of your drum tracks because he has that specialized= metronome, his own bird song, going inside. =A0Rick is highly refined and = has a vision he's been honing for decades. =A0Drummers OBSESS on meter.= =A0I have some wild stories about that too.=A0

I wouldn't worry a lick if he critiqued one of my d= rum tracks. =A0I expect that from good drummers. =A0It's all in the nat= ure of the game. =A0 I can always improve. =A0I can always learn. =A0I can = always reject someone's valid criticism if it runs counter to the voice= inside. =A0I can also take it in if it seems true to me. =A0It's a fin= e line you just learn with time.

I used to internalize this kind of stuff and after 40 s= ome years of playing professionally I've learned to not dwell on the ne= gatives too much. =A0It can eat you alive. =A0Never let anything eat you al= ive but the desire to be the very best Kay'lon on earth!=A0

My take on your track was that it was extremely organic= . =A0I heard your bird song. =A0Can it be improved? =A0Can my music be impr= oved? =A0Was Jimi Hendrix sloppy sometimes? =A0Did he go to learn from grea= t players every chance he got?=A0

Just keep working it, refining the diamond until it'= ;s blinding. =A0

My own bird obsesses on boredom -= boring parts, music that puts me to sleep, parts in a song where I yawn or= start thinking about something else. =A0That's my particular bird song= and it drives me crazy to hear music that's lazy, too easily self sati= sfied and doesn't take into consideration the competition, all the amaz= ing stuff that's gone before - regardless of category. =A0My bird deman= ds that I strive with all I have to be original and present that originalit= y as good as I can (which can always be improved!)=A0

We're competing with Beethoven, the Beatles, Bartok= and Blind Blake. =A0For me, the challenge is fabulous and keeps me on task= . =A0It keeps me young and alert and I'm 64 years old.

All the answers are inside you. =A0That's where the last word shou= ld come to rest.

All the above is just my opinion.= =A0Don't worry. =A0Just keep moving forward.

= your fellow bird,

Richard

(Sorry this was SO lon= g! =A0I'd just finished a session and read the thread about your stuff,= listened and just had to take a solo!!!)


On Jun 8, 2012, at 3:57 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote:
<= br>

The part that somewhat scares me is that I = litterally can't hear the innaccuracy of the drums in the first video. = Is it the whole thing or is it just something within the loop?

On Jun 8, 2012 3:19 PM, "Rick Walker" = <looppool@cruzi= o.com> wrote:
On 6/8/12 4:16 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote:
If done by an accomplished musician, I find the combination of the
machine-like (because it's a machine) and accurate human inaccurate
groove really interesting.

I do, too, Rainer. =A0 =A0I remember the first time I ever saw Ultravox pla= y in the 70's.
They had a drummer with a kick, snare, hi hat and ride cymbal (unheard of m= inimalism in the
world of 70's excess) and he was playing with a Roland CR-78 analogue d= rum machine.

You could feel his 'humaneness' (re: imperfection) as it related to= the perfectly quantized
drum machine (there were only perfectly quantized drum machines in those da= ys.......changeable
quantization wouldn't occur, technologically until the 80's).

I was stunned and have been a fan of drum machines ever since, to this day.=

And there is an interesting thing about the interaction of *perfect* timing= and *human timing*
in human pattern recognition.

In literature or film they talk about the "reasonable suspension of di= sbelief"..........you
either buy the premise of a Science Fiction movie or you don't. =A0 It = isn't real of course, but
if you can suspend the concept that it's not real, then the experience = can seem very real.

This can happen in drum programming as well.
Early on, when the first digitally sampled drum machines came out (the Linn= Drum, the EMU Drumulator and others)
Record producers learned that if you played perfectly quantized drum sample= s in a groove that it felt 'stiff'.
But they quickly learned that they programmed all of the kick, snare and to= m parts to be perfectly quantized and then
had a studio drummer come in and play hi hats and cymbals over the top of t= his, =A0the listener would
*buy* the results and be fooled into thinking that the entire track was rea= l.

I've found that one can use as little as 10% to 30% non quantized track= s on top of rigidly quantized tracks
and the net result is that the tracks will sound *human*.

Another thing I've discovered is that the faster the BPM of a track and= the more complex the track is syncopatively,
(as in Kay'lon's first example track) the more effective it is to u= se rigid quantization.

You are already asking the brain a lot to *hear* a very syncopated beat (th= at one is a much longer discussion and is
the basis of the Rhythm Intensive course that I teach to melodic musicians)= so if you throw in relative rhythmic inaccuracy
to the mix, =A0it just makes the whole thing more problematic.

Also, in Kay'lon's particular case, =A0 to quantize those drum beat= s at the onset of the piece can then enable him
to play with non quantized/human feel on top of the tracks with his initial= organ rhythm parts.

To me, it is fascinating that we can convince the brain, unconsciously to h= ave the 'reasonable suspension of disbelief'
through how we loop and how we program.

Rick


--f46d043c80607beea604c20a2f73-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 14:03:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3DA118345E; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 14:03:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=witGAJEc1fxbXEzicMjzbif4iYwFx7Wkx5+FQ79rvGU=; b=NUvvHuQPOqax35DSfEBHt6HayFO0XZzd+OGdFNqr3UvYVaaFCHq7YLcVMA1vw0uBrS RhxKSLWPrQ1uMcRi5fwrUFYgN+FrqAnfGBhnHb9Ubr9Y5kKZ5PD1XUiXGG0SfCEj2g4u m8YG0eLxpSHbxrdlTKkAVGOilk3ZszWQ74VuIvR+xfCzMOd5QVKR/kRI6shjpFwTcXEa yHtv+Ry5PVkS159eTnAnO5lIw49QkBrR51VklYiXBVDg7DWa2SecHnwAzpd/dQvJ63b0 pV8C5MOeouHtb4ZCffOpBQc+Im3sVz0m+h8fKKF/uCpg0w6bekFdHqVddooy+NWFhLEH qh5A== Message-ID: <4FD357C5.5000800@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 16:03:49 +0200 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP question: unrounded multiply directly into overdub? References: <4FD2C70B.60408@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 14:03:02 +0000 (UTC) Am 09.06.2012 11:50, schrieb Per Boysen: > If you're writing software, can't you just create a new function to > fit the bill? For example like Jeff didi in Mobius with the Instant > "writing" as in composing, not a in programming ;). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 14:05:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F56A18345C; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 14:05:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=GINkSXTbl2jlKqqY3vkUCxcbhO9arhgmaepapUPD+Mw=; b=0z2ij/8+Zekc2r/ot6h7bOC5ij9E9hZrCvM36l/+pV0/p1artUyb6McjF2zoP4lSvf NwvZkzyUVzNrMDiFW2xCHzl86jPerucDAJZZWT0ezpdKhJHgqSV/eQos837L9HEOUEyi lpG4Y/53/XFuw/BavVADByuSBxoViG1SZVAiOxLpG1zkxoW3ArmH74l0r+vN2j+nXA/I 1N5PNe2x89JcPUkRnFsnjXtxDCxiHXGTmBOYEfq+aL0zYF2O7pCWIhAx5TNOrG0Ps9Ea 6JjQJhRvW63igbUwOeKT0oJqkKZkTGuYEt/zWa+V62WfKD9WhYxKJfrU5j2XCBf7bN+w SzEQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FD357C5.5000800@googlemail.com> References: <4FD2C70B.60408@googlemail.com> <4FD357C5.5000800@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:05:46 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: EDP question: unrounded multiply directly into overdub? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 14:05:47 +0000 (UTC) Ok, I missed out on that essential detail :-) Per On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Am 09.06.2012 11:50, schrieb Per Boysen: >> >> If you're writing software, can't you just create a new function to >> fit the bill? For example like Jeff didi in Mobius with the Instant >> > "writing" as in composing, not a in programming ;). > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 14:11:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DBDD18345E; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 14:11:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Subject: Re: STRATEGIES for REHARMONIZATION in LIVE LOOP COMPOSITION From: Ed Durbrow In-Reply-To: <4FD2FA8B.50609@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 23:11:17 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1CEE54C1-28FD-4DB9-87FE-45B4D45ED747@sea.plala.or.jp> <4FD2FA8B.50609@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa04b; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 23:11:18 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 14:11:22 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:26 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 6/8/12 8:43 PM, Ed Durbrow wrote: >>=20 >> Either or =85 ? >> Use common tones to modulate. For example take the A in an F chord = and use it as the 7th in a B chord to modulate to E. > Thanks for the advice, but let me make sure I understand what you are = suggesting. I wasn't sure what you wanted because you wrote "either more complex = harmony" and then mentioned modal in parenthesis. I filled in the "or" = part as being outside of model harmony. Also, I thought you were = soliciting suggestions and examples of what others do. Sorry if I = misunderstood. > In the particular example that you use, does this just mean that if I = were to play an F chord as, say, the IV chord in > Cmajor that I could then follow it with B major (and not a B = diminished which would keep me in C major) just because it shares the = pitch, A from the original chord progression? I was just trying to think what I do when I want to get away from = hackneyed progressions. > Not sure if this is correct, but if it is, do I only need to have one = common pitch in two chords that are in different > key centers? The effect of having a common pitch is that there is some anchor point = which means that you can use more daring harmony but still keep things = grounded. This is nifty if you have repeated notes in the melody. > instead of using a vii (diminished) chord that if you drop the > 7 down a half step, the diminished chord becomes a Major chord whose = 3rd and 5th degress are still in the original > key signature........in this case your forced substitution of the a = flatted 7th, suddenly means that what was a C major > is now a G major and the scale you are now using only differs from the = original key by one single F#. In popular music, I almost never hear vii=BA chords. It seems to me, = most pop, rock, and jazz use flatted 7th chords which work with = mixolydian and dorian modes which you hear a lot. This may explain my = attraction to Renaissance music, the harmony is so similar to the rock I = grew up on. > I think I don't understand the term counterpoint, especially chromatic = counter point. > Can you give me a simple definition of what I can actually try or at = least steer me to a good > book on the subject. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterpoint Chromatic adds color (of course). It can be powerful to move the bass up = or down several notes by half steps and mix up the harmony with chords = outside of the key scale. > Is counterpoint used in modern songwriting, out of curiosity? Check out Jethro Tull as an exception. They spring to mind.=20 > I, of course, have heard it > in J.S. Bach's music, though I"m not sure I understand what he's doing = harmonically speaking. We could say Bach follows the rules of common practice counterpoint and = harmony, (some say they look at Bach and base the rules on him). You can = look up the rules of counterpoint: move in oblique or contrary motion, = no consecutive 5ths or octaves etc. The harmonic language expanded but = composers still basically followed the rules until the end of the 19th = century. Rameau literally wrote the book in 1722, laying out the rules = of harmony, at that time. The rules of the common practice period are = basically what college music students learn in 3 semesters of theory = class. IMO, counterpoint isn't given a large roll (compared to classical = music) or a disciplined approach in popular music. I suggested it in the = spirit of new ways to look at things or tricks to give you new harmonic = ideas. > Additionally, I've been using altered four note tunings on tenor = banjo, tenor guitar, baritone ukulele and > fretless bass that purposefully avoid 3rds and 7ths so that I can be = modulating with impunity, knowing > that all four open strings have several modes in common. > As an example, I'm in love with a tuning that goes I, 5, 6, 9, lately. = =46rom this tuning (and on the fly) I can play a I ionian, I dorian, I = lydian, I mixolydian scale > and I can play a major triad, a minor triad, a sus2 or a sus4 chord = which alters the key signature of the piece I'm in. I think I know what you mean, move anywhere and with no 3rd you are free = to play major or minor chords or chords and scales in the modes you = mentioned above it. However, if you want to really modulate, that is, = give the listener a real sensation of changing key, 3rds and 7ths are = very effective. Take the circle of fifths for example, by moving = tritones chromatically up or down, you alternate between the 7th and 3rd = of one chord and the 3rd and 7th of the next chord, ad infinitum. With = looping I guess the no 3rd/7th thing can be pretty versatile. Like Per = was saying, just change the pitch once and you already have four = possible major or minor chords. > It's a beautiful tuning that has so many possibilities. I'm just = discovering them as I speak. Would love to hear. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 14:42:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3F69183460; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 14:42:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SirfwerEIdIb47oWMW0I2d2lXA0M7K4XQ6xIgek6i8k=; b=PD26Arh6ueLY9xfhatsErAn3E5wMKsysxbIVH9GgwfgvX+gAvWhoDjc8NnBQkCNRyK nH8/kXZc6CTF9r+CixzUCR3xErvml6/18p5aAEEs3Qqo6/nsoYZDH9NuyNhBkahmCzer 0XbcFI7kWX5lhn0MoCgtOfPZtzA4oKCzpu9XcFCDLBKAsugDqBLzoYBksVsMV3FEa2K0 oHSONBFcZiGaVPWNAGj1v5Yyzi+OU3mtVInegd8toOW5gYEpEFee9isfTbW2jMiXkv/H +dOTlbeA/KKT8CYcNerEOpU/kgfv4GulocKCjjtqKpWJIXfAcc6LIvqWRYdw3piy4JUD JwJg== Message-ID: <4FD360E4.3050209@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 16:42:44 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP question: unrounded multiply directly into overdub? References: <4FD2C70B.60408@googlemail.com> <4FD307D3.2050907@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4FD307D3.2050907@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 14:42:47 +0000 (UTC) andy butler schrieb: > hi Rainer, > > 3 ways Thanks a lot, Andy. I had myself been thinking in the direction of approach 2 ("during Mult, hit Overdub first(which will start a *rounded* mult ending in overdub) then hit Rec to make the Mult unrounded") i.e. somehow stacking the Overdub for the next quantize point then force that with Record... Btw, has anyone ever done a diagram of the state machines of the EDP? Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 14:56:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D03F183462; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 14:56:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:content-type:mime-version:subject:date:x-mailer; bh=BJ6lJ/C2+0N/owYEnw9oNbKywzuSLOMnKrNxSNHWccU=; b=XBrRxwmYQYEQX0pxrL94a180YHo4kiSL+kSau/1ghpIDnL6/9J5H63drEbbY3BFvtS lgzMl0DEYKSkunr3qABTgwrRNzqOkj7TVqz+MN4hHFsNvbcbmdl1d43IHE2KS7XufwCA 2PC4UBTVScZ5mNFFKWP4/csmvHcfCUBAKmVAEGrxi3b1ztVbXYNIQr/FmncAMn9mvdK2 bVdh1bH+OVZa7Ufqkq1/lT0t2I2gU4ED7XIRYGOs5ml/qR6flCHz9cmUqtQ49Itartn2 5GKQIPVG66nIPFG5saDjPGoOpHIsGdSjThPE/NSylbt6+19XfV5rfr5hwbuYt929qXOm Wj6w== Message-Id: <6212C1D7-00CE-49AC-89DE-99AC3E4E8130@gmail.com> From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-169360259 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: looping on NPR Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 07:56:52 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <5P7X7.A.ivG.6Q20PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 14:56:58 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-169360259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this morning on Saturday Edition violin, voice and beatboxing http://www.npr.org/2012/06/09/154575079/kishi-bashi-unique-performances-in-time regards BobC http://rpcollier.bandcamp.com/album/platz http://soundcloud.com/rpcollier --Apple-Mail-1-169360259 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable this morning on Saturday = Edition

regards
=
BobC




= --Apple-Mail-1-169360259-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 15:06:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA56118345E; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:06:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; bh=eGpleg4giY05CpXDxi+6ECyk9wFjIpztGz1nLselgfg=; b=hbqBcR+lEU3qZOufKh5Rmfgx+ksmapDJBMrLVz71YcSUNTxXYPPyA/ilZxz4vNp+xk zD8cRTK/ex7Jtg1F84b25g81OLtk2g3X/XdN0Igp7XpK1w1mqrLuQljRFLnZEcZSZcBz nXxwSUYnmaQFPHhyIkGWXRgSH1GXfXxohbYd4NAGnMlkN3FZGppLCW2R2Jx+LDQQwpO+ s7OaJZzWjVj7tU0KoKbSi0EtVmAKNWCnzJ3Iy9YDAQeTkIlorD3Ro9ENFzSM5NT3gCXT GPJsPI2aQFW/iF4ZSX5lWPK58QrrW24nSLZrKY4R6cAkJoXsVvKc+ibHcz55WpbnYpX5 MYXw== Message-Id: From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4FD29476.9090105@cruzio.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-169948680 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: STRATEGIES for REHARMONIZATION in LIVE LOOP COMPOSITION Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 08:06:41 -0700 References: <4FD29476.9090105@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:06:45 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-169948680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I almost hate to say there's an app for that -- but I have been enjoying an ipad/iphone app called ProChords: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pro-chords-instant-inspiration/id335317698?mt=8 Lets you build long progressions and plays the constructed chord sequences. It gives suggestions, but iI like it for experimenting with random and unusual sequences to hear how they sound. BobC http://rpcollier.bandcamp.com/album/platz http://soundcloud.com/rpcollier --Apple-Mail-2-169948680 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I = almost hate to say there's an app for that -- but I have been enjoying = an ipad/iphone app called ProChords:


Lets you build long = progressions and plays the constructed chord = sequences. 
It gives suggestions, but iI like it for = experimenting with random and unusual sequences to hear how they = sound.

BobC



= --Apple-Mail-2-169948680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 15:08:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9DC2183461; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:08:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=3felTBVTKDV4kUdUbqJShFvbTikv5tYY+WRXPduaGmg= c=1 sm=2 a=PcwfRCGvw6MA:10 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=friDtNgDAAAA:8 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=OUXYneDTAAAA:8 a=Vg7it4BJMlfVW2EpgncA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=053Au2P4wpAA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 154.5.112.152 From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-170057984 Subject: Re: STRATEGIES for REHARMONIZATION in LIVE LOOP COMPOSITION Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 08:08:30 -0700 In-Reply-To: <4FD2FA8B.50609@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <1CEE54C1-28FD-4DB9-87FE-45B4D45ED747@sea.plala.or.jp> <4FD2FA8B.50609@cruzio.com> Message-Id: <139C67EA-D8B9-4CC6-A435-9EE98A0383EB@glasswing.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:08:32 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-170057984 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Never liked thirds myself. Sometimes hard to avoid. An inscrutable but what looks to be a key to a critical, subterranean = highway is George Russel's "Lydian Chromatic Concept Of Tonal = Organization." http://www.lydianchromaticconcept.com/ A friend gave it to me for my birthday recently. I started during the = frenzy of my studio remodel but haven't had time to really dive in yet. = It's dense. Gil Evans, Miles - most all of the great jazz innovators of = the 50's and early 60's were way into it. It was the trigger for Kind = Of Blue. It's expensive. I'm thinking in the fall when the studio and farm stuff = slows down I'll put on my oxygen tanks again and make another attempt to = scale its very steep, El Capitan-ish perpendicular logic.=20 richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.goodnaturefarms.com On Jun 9, 2012, at 12:26 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 6/8/12 8:43 PM, Ed Durbrow wrote: >>=20 >> Either or =85 ? >> Use common tones to modulate. For example take the A in an F chord = and use it as the 7th in a B chord to modulate to E. > Thanks for the advice, but let me make sure I understand what you are = suggesting. > In the particular example that you use, does this just mean that if I = were to play an F chord as, say, the IV chord in > Cmajor that I could then follow it with B major (and not a B = diminished which would keep me in C major) just because it shares the = pitch, A from the original chord progression? >=20 > Not sure if this is correct, but if it is, do I only need to have one = common pitch in two chords that are in different > key centers? >=20 > A trick my friend Paul Wagner just showed me is instead of using a vii = (diminished) chord that if you drop the > 7 down a half step, the diminished chord becomes a Major chord whose = 3rd and 5th degress are still in the original > key signature........in this case your forced substitution of the a = flatted 7th, suddenly means that what was a C major > is now a G major and the scale you are now using only differs from the = original key by one single F#. >=20 > This is done beautifully in One Hand, One Heart by Leonard Bernstein = in West Side Story. > That trick is a beautiful one and I've been trying to look at = different ways to make the same thing happen with > other chords in a standard progression (largely, making something = major, minor and vice versa) >> To get away from model writing, try counterpoint, particularly = chromatic. >> So how could you do any of this with a looper? > I think I don't understand the term counterpoint, especially chromatic = counter point. > Can you give me a simple definition of what I can actually try or at = least steer me to a good > book on the subject. >=20 > Is counterpoint used in modern songwriting, out of curiosity? I, of = course, have heard it > in J.S. Bach's music, though I"m not sure I understand what he's doing = harmonically speaking. >=20 > **************************** >=20 > and the way I use this in looping is just the songs I'm trying to = figure out how to produce live > with my very limited instrumental skills on several several different = chordally based instruments. >=20 > The only other way I've been using some of these concepts in real time = is by using a trick that my brother taught > me, which is to eliminate the use of a 3rd or 7th, so that the scale = one is playing in can be determined > by the soloing musician as opposed to the chordalist (the entire = philosophical approach used by > Bill Evans on "Kind of Blue" by Miles Davis. >=20 > Additionally, I've been using altered four note tunings on tenor = banjo, tenor guitar, baritone ukulele and > fretless bass that purposefully avoid 3rds and 7ths so that I can be = modulating with impunity, knowing > that all four open strings have several modes in common. >=20 > As an example, I'm in love with a tuning that goes I, 5, 6, 9, lately. >=20 > =46rom this tuning (and on the fly) I can play a I ionian, I dorian, I = lydian, I mixolydian scale > and I can play a major triad, a minor triad, a sus2 or a sus4 chord = which alters the key signature of the piece > I'm in. > It's a beautiful tuning that has so many possibilities. I'm just = discovering them as I speak. >=20 --Apple-Mail-3-170057984 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Never = liked thirds myself.  Sometimes hard to = avoid.

An inscrutable but what looks to be a key to a = critical, subterranean highway is George Russel's "Lydian Chromatic = Concept Of Tonal Organization."


A friend gave it to me for = my birthday recently.  I started during the frenzy of my studio = remodel but haven't had time to really dive in yet.  It's dense. =  Gil Evans, Miles - most all of the great jazz innovators of the = 50's and early 60's were way into it.   It was the trigger for Kind = Of Blue.

It's expensive.  I'm thinking in = the fall when the studio and farm stuff slows down I'll put on my oxygen = tanks again and make another attempt to scale its very steep, El = Capitan-ish perpendicular logic. 

richard sales
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38">www.richardsales.com
= www.goodnaturefarms.com=











On Jun 9, 2012, at 12:26 AM, Rick Walker wrote:

On = 6/8/12 8:43 PM, Ed Durbrow wrote:

Either or =85 = ?
Use common tones to = modulate. For example take the A in an F chord and use it as the 7th in = a B chord to modulate to E.
Thanks for the advice, but = let me make sure I understand what you are suggesting.
In the = particular example that you use, does this just mean that if I were to = play an F chord as, say, the IV chord in
Cmajor that I could then = follow it with B major (and not a B diminished which would keep me in C = major) just because it shares the pitch, A from the original chord = progression?

Not sure if this is correct, but if it is, do I only = need to have one common pitch in two chords that are in different
key = centers?

A trick my friend Paul Wagner just showed me is instead = of using a vii (diminished) chord that if you drop the
7 down a half = step, the diminished chord becomes a Major chord whose 3rd and 5th = degress are still in the original
key signature........in this case = your forced substitution of the a flatted 7th, suddenly means that what = was a C major
is now a G major and the scale you are now using only = differs from the original key by one single F#.

This is done = beautifully in One Hand, One Heart by Leonard Bernstein in West Side = Story.
That trick is a beautiful one and I've been trying to look at = different ways to make the same thing happen with
other chords in a = standard progression (largely, making something major, minor and vice = versa)
To get away from model writing, try = counterpoint, particularly chromatic.
So how could you do any of this with a = looper?
I think I don't understand the term = counterpoint, especially chromatic counter point.
Can you give me a = simple definition of what I can actually try or at least steer me to a = good
book on the subject.

Is counterpoint used in modern = songwriting, out of curiosity? I, of course, have heard it
in J.S. = Bach's music, though I"m not sure I understand what he's doing = harmonically speaking.

****************************

and = the way I use this in looping is just the songs I'm trying to figure out = how to produce live
with my very limited instrumental skills on = several several different chordally based instruments.

The only = other way I've been using some of these concepts in real time is by = using a trick that my brother taught
me, which is to eliminate the = use of a 3rd or 7th, so that the scale one is playing in can be = determined
by the soloing musician as opposed to the chordalist (the = entire philosophical approach used by
Bill Evans on "Kind of Blue" by = Miles Davis.

Additionally, I've been using altered four note = tunings on tenor banjo, tenor guitar, baritone ukulele and
fretless = bass that purposefully avoid 3rds and 7ths so that I can be modulating = with impunity, knowing
that all four open strings have several modes = in common.

As an example, I'm in love with a tuning that goes I, = 5, 6, 9, lately.

=46rom this tuning (and on the fly) I can play a = I ionian, I dorian, I lydian, I mixolydian scale
and I can play a = major triad, a minor triad, a sus2 or a sus4 chord which alters the key = signature of the piece
I'm in.
It's a beautiful tuning that has so = many possibilities. I'm just discovering them as I = speak.


= --Apple-Mail-3-170057984-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 15:09:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A2FA183463; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:09:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=W8y2w6cSHXglcohBhZrfqxXiIaDFuZx6lR94xHovzXQ=; b=vpsWHe5e+KEJiXc0M0bL0fpR3y4tnYTrnuQevI4Nty4N9QiFBxyHX5p0P1Fu1bNJQI Y0YZXaC/OTnuPzF0BgZm8d10theHmmJe3W6jKZ8W8T32B4WbxN7PGCBdmrnljHoMwAXJ 47ai+SVtKLWFmGJxGC7KNzR39kB1OSNjGODfKPM8XqBNRY+yX6ZEeQzcJkipZZAm2IIq 17dbh3fUTBsXX7qtTlyDHBShMfxqG9uUAhkFObRvYQax0UuXAw+MBbfpzX9qPLqLWAyx 8B/cTy3SCQyyZh8q6+qcfxbYFsQdzgTc8+ZFQFUUqJp5//saZP1o3abQhPZ1aggdRzZZ A+WQ== Message-ID: <4FD3670C.1000700@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 17:09:00 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: STRATEGIES for REHARMONIZATION in LIVE LOOP COMPOSITION References: <1CEE54C1-28FD-4DB9-87FE-45B4D45ED747@sea.plala.or.jp> <4FD2FA8B.50609@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4FD2FA8B.50609@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:09:03 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker schrieb: > Is counterpoint used in modern songwriting, out of curiosity? I, of > course, have heard it > in J.S. Bach's music, though I"m not sure I understand what he's doing > harmonically speaking. I guess that's true for the vast majority of people whose name was not J.S. Bach ;) Your question gets really interesting I think when you put it in the "live looping composition" context. Here, strange loops can be fun (and incidentially, I just wrote a piece in that direction a short time ago), meaning loops that don't come out exactly where they started. Of course, Bach did that, too. In my example, the tonal center is somewhat moving, but not aggressively so, so when you finally reach the last turnaround, you don't even notice that you came out one whole step above where you started. Now put the chord progression into one looper with a computer thingie attached which pitch-transposes the loop +2 semitones every time it comes around, and put the melody (which is moving with the tonal center) in another looper and send it through an intelligent pitch shifter which you also attach to the computer thingie to make it transpose the stuff so it stays at the same root, only moves around as the harmonies do (differently in every turn, until after 6 passes you're back at the end). Rick, I'll send you the score offlist, here are some more comments on what I do harmonically: I do transpose every two bars with two harmonies per bar, so every four chords. I always start with t (minor tonic), go to T/7 (major tonic w/ minor seventh in bass), then comes a D7 (that's dominant 7, not "D"). Next, different things are possible: 1. by inverting the D7, assume it's a D6 of a new tonality. Follow that with s7, D7 and end in a) t (you moved -1 semitone) b) tp (-4 semitones) 2. follow the D7 with a s6-, the neapolitan subdominant, which you can a) treat as the D of another tonality, follow with t (+6) b) treat as the D6/3 of yet another tonality, resolve to D and follow with t (+1) c) as 2.b) but end with tp (-2) [d) treat as is, follow with t and end up where you were.] That way, you can move -4, -2, -1, +1 and +6 (equals -6). So, with the exception of a minor third up, you can reach every key you want within four bars. I consciously avoided using the 07 trick already mentioned by Fabio and Per, so if you really need the +3 in four bars, you can use e.g. t, T/7, D79b w/o root (which is a dim7 on minor third above that), assume it's the S7 of your destination, follow by D7 and voila - +3 semitones! The diminshed 7th and the neapolitan chord are the two wormholes known to musicians to get to other tonalities in the blink of an eye. Both do however force you to use one chromatic note. Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 15:10:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5084183461; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:10:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3x09@carlsonarts.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 668173.34025.bm@smtp112.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: OwPjGpAVM1m79Ycnt2tNxbjmwYpFGvl0a_rs62b2nsUOqIt .IdIUALCjQYCBCAXVxgHE98lGHjmSYwC5qPbeCMZ6EIlknObRadvADjC.AvL he62UUDvhT4dVdtlvrPxQn0ZX4YZxJ.difcosbG3Wg0UZdC5aw3HomB7NQdO 4KzY0DzwPKaUciWE2vNkdDu9nfJqdL.RNLurrBulTIFvfIdCFCnTFV01YgZn 06DAMlms.cGqhZPovtyE01iWA1t86aJk_mP9dmyYRbKj5Xq1tLqkgIb1eedX m9d2AkeZkATBBOaab0dJOgDKa3JEXE59wlhAzKJTus_EWXGm5Aswc3jOqgqX W0geqROzCegNEBOUsx0XEIHIe6OMGba_in6EpfICqWADWoWbE_72U3Njso3. IpibfUQduf7RVGmYLKIYbnes8vk0sUCofRV0FNsot69EawFn0..7CB4J2_QX n9jtC.EGi8pi7cNvl5HA- X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F References: <1CEE54C1-28FD-4DB9-87FE-45B4D45ED747@sea.plala.or.jp> <4FD2FA8B.50609@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <6A527990-E0DF-4FCD-B9CA-B6F48A01A266@carlsonarts.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> Subject: Re: STRATEGIES for REHARMONIZATION in LIVE LOOP COMPOSITION Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 08:10:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <8EfUZD.A.vVH.3d20PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:10:47 +0000 (UTC) For examples of counterpoint, you could listen to the band Yes and their = song Roundabout. They do some things vocally that are very interesting = in that song. But in that song, as in most popular music, the = counterpoint is usually limited to four bar or eight bar phrases that = are layered, adding one part at a time - just like in looping! =20 Other examples: So This is Christmas by Paul McCartney, and even This is = Me from the Disney movie Camp Rock, with Demi Levato and one of the = Jonas Brothers. =20 Maybe these aren't considered counterpoint in the traditional sense, but = its the closest that pop music seems to get. One interesting way to compose melodies that are good for counterpoint = is to try to have one melody pause on a longer note, while the other = melody moves. For example, in 4/4 time, the first melody may have a = half note on beats 3 and 4, and the second melody may be moving on = eighth notes through those two beats. This works in both tonal and = atonal melodies, because it is primarily a rhythmic device to keep the = music moving with a constant eighth note pulse.=20 One way to write a melody that can be sung in counterpoint as a canon, = is to write a melody that follows a standard four bar chord progression, = then continue the melody by writing the next four bars of the melody = below or above the first in the same staff. When you are done with the = first 12 bars of the melody you may need to do some editing. Try to = make sure that the root of each measure's chord is present on the = downbeat of that measure in at least one of the three parts. =20 Recently, I have been enjoying singing some of Bach's canons and looping = them in this way: I'll record the first line of the canon (sometimes = quite long) and loop it, then I will record the second line using an = octave drop at its entrance. It's a lot of fun! What I want to be able = to do is record the first line of the canon, then use a delay effect, = and octave drop on it so I don't have to record the second line at all - = it will present itself when the first line is delayed and dropped. Or, = is there some way to create a second track in Mobius that would present = the melody from the first track but present it four measures later, and = drop the octave on that second track?=20 Peace, Michael Carlson (3x09) On Jun 9, 2012, at 7:11 AM, Ed Durbrow wrote: >>=20 >> Is counterpoint used in modern songwriting, out of curiosity? >=20 > Check out Jethro Tull as an exception. They spring to mind.=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 15:12:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C072D183461; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:12:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 771205167/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.21.67/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.21.67 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmICADZn009YbRVD/2dsb2JhbAANFyGNKapPAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYgCuAaNdYMbA5pejRw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,381,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="771205167" Message-ID: <4FD367E0.9060103@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 16:12:32 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP question: unrounded multiply directly into overdub? References: <4FD2C70B.60408@googlemail.com> <4FD307D3.2050907@tiscali.co.uk> <4FD360E4.3050209@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <4FD360E4.3050209@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:12:21 +0000 (UTC) Rainer Straschill wrote: > Btw, has anyone ever done a diagram of the state machines of the EDP? I doubt it. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 15:20:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5176183460; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:20:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=uRkVhWajh6vJCrySoTs5qBxc5nrMeXZn+uu6fPH8kXA=; b=o43suJjA2k/CEp6pft1c+/80vV4n38KI5XBdTCM47ADDmlMlGzktnXj4qLb9orWfyo NYu211NTcBoh6f7b7ClaKdYexLvcQaW5gO0FcNeOpH3JYbq9tAdkVkxS8CaFZFQ8XMeO g5ckdrE5ze/QPGt9Pd3qyYm8O4IYYPIfKaTY2Qed2g4MziEFZKfAjNFhJhpDFGliU3Xb aoZHpOn7yH37F6p1m8gDdxhrMmgWWthhPsx/tRTt9KCmJ16Svc/CPn7DjBqu9mcPJm6Q v4phV82Agl/4u0sRzDrxfzhH3z39wQtTowNGKSGsW+Lb7Io5/R65i1i8S8W11kdtfJoa fQvA== Message-ID: <4FD369C8.3090302@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 17:20:40 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: STRATEGIES for REHARMONIZATION in LIVE LOOP COMPOSITION References: <1CEE54C1-28FD-4DB9-87FE-45B4D45ED747@sea.plala.or.jp> <4FD2FA8B.50609@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4FD2FA8B.50609@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2OlYCD.A.toH.Ln20PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:20:43 +0000 (UTC) Correction to my last post: In item 2.b), it should of course say "D6/4", not "D6/3"... -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 15:23:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B09B183461; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:23:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 779664132/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.21.67/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.21.67 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBANJp009YbRVD/2dsb2JhbAANOLd4AQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYgCt36NdYMbA5pejRw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,382,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="779664132" Message-ID: <4FD36A84.1020605@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 16:23:48 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: STRATEGIES for REHARMONIZATION in LIVE LOOP COMPOSITION References: <1CEE54C1-28FD-4DB9-87FE-45B4D45ED747@sea.plala.or.jp> <4FD2FA8B.50609@cruzio.com> <6A527990-E0DF-4FCD-B9CA-B6F48A01A266@carlsonarts.com> In-Reply-To: <6A527990-E0DF-4FCD-B9CA-B6F48A01A266@carlsonarts.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6c2bED.A.jyH.5p20PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:23:37 +0000 (UTC) TripleOhNine wrote: > Maybe these aren't considered counterpoint in the traditional sense, but its the closest that pop music seems to get. Closest to "strict counterpoint in pop music" would be prog band Gentle Giant. (interesting harmonies and time sigs too) > One interesting way to compose melodies that are good for counterpoint is to try to have one melody pause on a longer note, > while the other melody moves. nice idea for looping andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 15:53:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76889183460; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:53:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=yydQNvwznGbbTcFm3TprisVrUvLkwVRyDaB0F+le9LY=; b=irJOFEqOgARRwMawAaqXUC8rTm2lpU0hSwkhwPBvbBNzYLg9ySKQ+orLcAf+vexl20 VLhqn8KLbGeWRe08nnNvD1StvLY9IeQqUQ2NdQt66QBOQ2S4B2HgIYHSgPdCB7wWtF+R ZsiSMazmbIEKy3zt1ghzGjI3xR5uakLsNTSeD2NVHZ4LrYDshe5hVqSR482IlOkSk5uh Vtpp4HqG4sJKKJwl5/d+4dJbYyWYLOdpRdhwcDhteOD3s4IlsaqmiJnR/z32Bpkv3xnA 8uhwppkFeQ1f2GEySxdy/ye7Ic75whcvm8og4vrlUVqFiPFgtmkqau45Z7XOBa+BGnSN tB9g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FD36A84.1020605@tiscali.co.uk> References: <1CEE54C1-28FD-4DB9-87FE-45B4D45ED747@sea.plala.or.jp> <4FD2FA8B.50609@cruzio.com> <6A527990-E0DF-4FCD-B9CA-B6F48A01A266@carlsonarts.com> <4FD36A84.1020605@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:53:13 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: STRATEGIES for REHARMONIZATION in LIVE LOOP COMPOSITION From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:53:15 +0000 (UTC) No rules, only conventions. How is Dave Liebman working out for you, Rick? On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:23 PM, andy butler wrote: > TripleOhNine wrote: > >> Maybe these aren't considered counterpoint in the traditional sense, but >> its the closest that pop music seems to get. > > > Closest to "strict counterpoint in pop music" would be prog band Gentle > Giant. > (interesting harmonies and time sigs too) > > >> One interesting way to compose melodies that are good for counterpoint is >> to try to have one melody pause on a longer note, >> while the other melody moves. > > > nice idea for looping > > > andy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 16:17:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C125518345A; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:17:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=+c0KXnnNnEcu5K9BzrUt7Jkv2x3hN79kTANsymrxfy8=; b=MYv3QMG4SCsMF54+ZqNQZ5WPdbYS8VgHyEdNjDTr7nwwwzj1R7DKa3Yl9Mp/KhTIUc GpqsaZF+XFT2pJg6dPfAi9fkIQ1//9cBAPb/6CSDKeQFAXRAbVWSGvDkIh+WCwYLEZ6I KA/b+iEZoHTxMbRPR9sU5A900hDpqm8+5R8w8mw5f6Lk4V+1M9aYdMove88Rl1CY0KRL Plyl978A2AnT9Ysvr+QBISMmmQwr3BpRa7PnJnSgUyh+X/RNaly+oHegBxr5FQBOthKn qQA2zpCHjsP5nsaSKRYC1yWtuEEINKo587tXeMKvHTsdHe1NFAwLdNyCtXpyG5Av5+nm 8XHA== Message-ID: From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <1CEE54C1-28FD-4DB9-87FE-45B4D45ED747@sea.plala.or.jp><4FD2FA8B.50609@cruzio.com><6A527990-E0DF-4FCD-B9CA-B6F48A01A266@carlsonarts.com><4FD36A84.1020605@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: STRATEGIES for REHARMONIZATION in LIVE LOOP COMPOSITION Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 10:17:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:17:43 +0000 (UTC) I always resonated well with John Abercrombie's comment to a student when asked what scale he was supposed to play over a particular set of chord changes. John's response was, "the chromatic scale". Duh!! :) The rest is just a matter of taste, feeling the resolution points, avoid dwelling on certain tone to long but using them as passing tones, etc. It is more difficult with pop music, which tends to be diatonic and more restrictive. I personally love to improv chords on the fly. In fact, most of the time when I'm improvising to a soloist (sax, etc), I couldn't tell you what chords I am playing...only that I use a lot of tight tone clusters and try to support the tonal center, if there is one. Of course, if there is a chart, I like to convert everything to dominant 7s, and then play a flat 7 tri-tone substitution for each one (like playing a F#7b5 over a C9). Or make your tri-tone subs all Alt 7s (Dom7b5#5b9#9)....that can create some really far out shit. Or, if you are substituting chords, drop the root and 5th...not necessary anyway, if you have a bass player. And then re-construct the chords so that all the intervals are as close as possible to each other, e.,g, play the 9th interval as a 2nd). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 16:52:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FC09183460; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:52:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=wkBup0WkMydMoKkTbziYo/XPEWT17JaY6W1ymNmqUIo= c=1 sm=2 a=OnGyPppwlFAA:10 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=OUXYneDTAAAA:8 a=gjj7MFYLApzTSPnc69sA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=053Au2P4wpAA:10 a=JRq3B0NiSNcgB-aQWSUA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 154.5.112.152 From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-176263387 Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Can I have your feedback?] Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:51:56 -0700 In-Reply-To: <4FD2FC1F.5010909@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <1339205545.32157.YahooMailNeo@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4FD2FC1F.5010909@cruzio.com> Message-Id: <2DACF36A-A705-45E1-B17D-332FD6C05CDD@glasswing.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:52:09 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-176263387 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I love drum machines. I find swing and some of the 'feel' features on = new ones sort of blurs the line between human and machine. Quantize = seems to be more 'natural' with these feel and ahead of and behind the = beat features. And yes! In the old days we would add live cymbals and hats sometimes = partly for the feel and partly because the cymbals were the dead give = away of the 'evil drum machines'. I love drum machines so much I resurrected my SP12 and HR16 just to have = the pads. Got tired of using keyboards to input drums. Might replace = the old drum machines with Machine some day, but other, more urgent toys = are ahead in line. Also, I really love the Slate Drum samples and their new software. =20 Do you have V Drums there, Rick? richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.goodnaturefarms.com On Jun 9, 2012, at 12:32 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 6/8/12 6:32 PM, bill bigrig wrote: >> I have to chime in here. in the 80s, I worked with drummers who said, = "drum machines will never take the place of real drums". What they = didn't know was, many hits back then wee made with a Linn machine and = they didn't even notice!=20 > Here, here, Bill! >=20 > I talked about this in an earlier reply to a post in this thread from = Rainer...... > mentioning the fact that adding hi hats and cymbals played by a real = drummer onto > perfectly quantized kicks and snares causes the listener to have a = 'reasonable suspension of > disbelief'. >=20 > I really like confusing people in this way. > I like to use drum machines with the quantize turned off > and I live to play drums occasionally to emulate a perfectly quantized > drum machine. >=20 > I noticed, early on that people used synths, samplers and drum = machines to emulate > real instruments. I think it's really hip to try to make synths and = samplers sound > really synthetic and non-human at time and conversely to make acoustic = drums > sound really synthetic and 'processed'. >=20 > I did a track on Barry Clevelands latest CD, "Hologramaton" with = gigantic chain links > draped over my snares, toms and cymbals to simulate crude distortion. >=20 > There are also several cymbal manufacturers who make cymbals that = sound as if they > had processing on them. I have one called a 'Flange Cymbal' because = it has a flangey sound to it. > I have another that sounds like those weird analogue ride cymbals from = the TR808 drum machines. > I also have two flat (no shell) kick drums that sound like the = subsonic TR808 kick drum sound, acoustically. >=20 > It's cool to mix it up, sonically! >=20 --Apple-Mail-1-176263387 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I = love drum machines.  I find swing and some of the 'feel' features = on new ones sort of blurs the line between human and machine. =  Quantize seems to be more 'natural' with these feel and ahead of = and behind the beat features.

And yes!  In the = old days we would add live cymbals and hats sometimes partly for the = feel and partly because the cymbals were the dead give away of the 'evil = drum machines'.

I love drum machines so much I = resurrected my SP12 and HR16 just to have the pads.  Got tired of = using keyboards to input drums.  Might replace the old drum = machines with Machine some day, but other, more urgent toys are ahead in = line.

Also, I really love the Slate Drum = samples and their new software.  

Do you = have V Drums there, Rick?

richard sales
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38">www.richardsales.com
= www.goodnaturefarms.com=











On Jun 9, 2012, at 12:32 AM, Rick Walker wrote:

On = 6/8/12 6:32 PM, bill bigrig wrote:
I have = to chime in here. in the 80s, I worked with drummers who said, "drum = machines will never take the place of real drums". What they didn't know = was, many hits back then wee made with a Linn machine and they didn't = even notice!
Here, here, Bill!

I talked about = this in an earlier reply to a post in this thread from = Rainer......
mentioning the fact that adding hi hats and cymbals = played by a real drummer onto
perfectly quantized kicks and snares = causes the listener to have a 'reasonable suspension = of
disbelief'.

I really like confusing people in this = way.
I like to use drum machines with the quantize turned off
and = I live to play drums occasionally to emulate a perfectly = quantized
drum machine.

I noticed, early on that people used = synths, samplers and drum machines to emulate
real instruments. =  I think it's really hip to try to make synths and samplers = sound
really synthetic and non-human at time and conversely to make = acoustic drums
sound really synthetic and 'processed'.

I did a = track on Barry Clevelands latest CD,  "Hologramaton"  with = gigantic chain links
draped over my snares, toms and cymbals to = simulate crude distortion.

There are also several cymbal = manufacturers who make cymbals that sound as if they
had processing = on them.  I have one called a 'Flange Cymbal' because it has a = flangey sound to it.
I have another that sounds like those weird = analogue ride cymbals from the TR808 drum machines.
I also have two = flat (no shell) kick drums that sound like the subsonic TR808 kick drum = sound, acoustically.

It's cool to mix it up, = sonically!


= --Apple-Mail-1-176263387-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 17:14:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A71018345E; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 17:14:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 773850656/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.21.67/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.21.67 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlYCAPqD009YbRVD/2dsb2JhbAANOI0pqlEBAQEEOEARCxgJFg8JAwIBAgFFHAG/f411gxsDml6NHA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,382,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="773850656" Message-ID: <4FD3846D.5090408@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 18:14:21 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: STRATEGIES for REHARMONIZATION in LIVE LOOP COMPOSITION References: <1CEE54C1-28FD-4DB9-87FE-45B4D45ED747@sea.plala.or.jp> <4FD2FA8B.50609@cruzio.com> <6A527990-E0DF-4FCD-B9CA-B6F48A01A266@carlsonarts.com> <4FD36A84.1020605@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 17:14:11 +0000 (UTC) Ricky Graham wrote: > No rules, only conventions. Defy convention by working within rules. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 17:54:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0666183463; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 17:54:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=tNO7TzeXP53+CrCfj4O6yLPh7Uo48VEoMCRSc7+hBbc=; b=ds9PEihuhZW+qT7ZLUeC5Rz51aYKxjsrmdgTlobEinF8F/SPQh6mUSVfvtfdyx/Tmt alh2Ps+n06bce4s19vU7glUT+JOACEIQ3+0ayPLmz92NbHJA4A9AC7Acx7Rqu7sa+AvK 417L14Zy7R+l1WbTNVel4gKUs/zshukB7+NRw9xpkJkJDSeVAbhbu34NG1wi7GcTJHqx HJ1Bw72zwMLi+lXmahuBvu8sZUlwQ51owAfgE1X5T8VoPpS0yYU7bHzPYMNlVc5IsvqP 6aaMfYnlLGmn6y8BfNLUg71fbzq2RpRkpZy6YfADOzSMgvV8Ppsc9uehTj7XxFUytO53 ChTA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FD3846D.5090408@tiscali.co.uk> References: <1CEE54C1-28FD-4DB9-87FE-45B4D45ED747@sea.plala.or.jp> <4FD2FA8B.50609@cruzio.com> <6A527990-E0DF-4FCD-B9CA-B6F48A01A266@carlsonarts.com> <4FD36A84.1020605@tiscali.co.uk> <4FD3846D.5090408@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 18:54:53 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: STRATEGIES for REHARMONIZATION in LIVE LOOP COMPOSITION From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <7LTSlB.A.8qB.u340PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 17:54:54 +0000 (UTC) Only if the convention becomes "breaking the rules" (and round and round we go) On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 6:14 PM, andy butler wrote: > > > Ricky Graham wrote: >> >> No rules, only conventions. > > > Defy convention by working within rules. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 21:01:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E32CE183462; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 21:01:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 773893375/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.21.67/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.21.67 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBALm4009YbRVD/2dsb2JhbAANOLd5AQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRkDAb9miyeCToMbA5pejRw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,382,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="773893375" Message-ID: <4FD3B998.2020001@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 22:01:12 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: STRATEGIES for REHARMONIZATION in LIVE LOOP COMPOSITION References: <1CEE54C1-28FD-4DB9-87FE-45B4D45ED747@sea.plala.or.jp> <4FD2FA8B.50609@cruzio.com> <6A527990-E0DF-4FCD-B9CA-B6F48A01A266@carlsonarts.com> <4FD36A84.1020605@tiscali.co.uk> <4FD3846D.5090408@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 21:01:01 +0000 (UTC) I was alluding to composers that set themselves rules to work with. Stockhausen, Messiaen, Xenakis and also consider Gesualdo....followed the old established rules, in a highly unconventional way. ...I think you'll be hard pressed to find many who broke convention that thoroughly. andy Ricky Graham wrote: > Only if the convention becomes "breaking the rules" (and round and round we go) > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 6:14 PM, andy butler wrote: >> >> Ricky Graham wrote: >>> No rules, only conventions. >> >> Defy convention by working within rules. >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 22:24:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0D2E183463; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 22:24:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FD3CD2D.1080601@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 15:24:45 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andy butler CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Can I have your feedback?] References: <4FD314B0.6050204@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4FD314B0.6050204@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 22:24:53 +0000 (UTC) On 6/9/12 2:17 AM, andy butler wrote: > > Actually I doubt that rhythm would work at all if squared off. Well, we will have to agree to disagree on this one, Andy, which is fine as we frequently disagree on aesthetics and I still respect the hell out of your opinons. To me, the rhythms are so syncopated and the tempo is pretty rapid. Pure quantization tends to work better under these circumstances, imho. But I'm not arguing that everything should be quantized or perfect. And I agree with you that Kay'lon has a good feel for rhythm, I was just being honest that this particular performance seemed too lumpy for my tastes. It's all good though. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 22:29:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10240183460; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 22:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FD3CE24.6040103@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 15:28:52 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: F_Anile CC: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Re: STRATEGIES for REHARMONIZATION in LIVE LOOP COMPOSITION References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050307000905070002080603" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 22:28:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050307000905070002080603 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 6/9/12 3:13 AM, F_Anile wrote: > Interesting discussion, Rick. > > Chords substitution is one method for reharmonization I use. > I'm talking about tritone substitution (in a C (I) context, G7 (V) > could be' substituted with D?7+). > Another tip is to use the diminished seventh chord in place of a > dominant 7th chord, or alter the chord' quality, just changing one > pitch of your original chord. > You can substitute the relative major and minor of hour original chord > to slight move in another harmonic context. > Another trick I use is to stress a note of the melody and take it as > the root for a different harmonies context (in a D-7 context, try to > stress on your melody the D note, then suddenly move the chord to a > different harmonic context wich is related with the D note, like Gmaj7 > or B?maj7). > > Would love to read what other approaches you guys use. > > -f Awesome, Fabio, I'm off to the piano to try these things. Personally, I use the 'stress' an individual note and change chords around that use that note a lot......it's particularly effective in looping where you can loop a pad note and change chords underneath it. And a quick question, I often hear of this 'tritone substitution' but I'm not quite sure how you generated it in this particular example. How did you pick the Db 7+ substitution for the G7 chord? What was your formula and what does the '+' sign mean in that chord spelling? Rick --------------050307000905070002080603 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 6/9/12 3:13 AM, F_Anile wrote:
Interesting discussion, Rick.

Chords substitution is one method for reharmonization I use.
I'm talking about tritone substitution (in a C (I) context, G7 (V) could be' substituted with D♭7+).
Another tip is to use the diminished seventh chord in place of a dominant 7th chord, or alter the chord' quality, just changing one pitch of your original chord.
You can substitute the relative major and minor of hour original chord to slight move in another harmonic context.
Another trick I use is to stress a note of the melody and take it as the root for a different harmonies context (in a D-7 context, try to stress on your melody the D note, then suddenly move the chord to a different harmonic context wich is related with the D note, like Gmaj7 or B♭maj7).

Would love to read what other approaches you guys use.

-f
Awesome,  Fabio,

I'm off to the piano to try these things.

Personally,  I use the 'stress' an individual note and change chords around that use that note a lot......it's particularly effective in looping where you can loop a pad note and change chords underneath it.

And a quick question,  I often hear of this 'tritone substitution' but I'm not quite sure how you generated it
in this particular example.    How did you pick the Db 7+ substitution for the G7 chord?    What was your formula
and what does the '+' sign mean in that chord spelling?

Rick

 --------------050307000905070002080603-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 22:38:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E79AA183462; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 22:38:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FD3D05D.80205@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 15:38:21 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ed Durbrow CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: STRATEGIES for REHARMONIZATION in LIVE LOOP COMPOSITION References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 22:38:28 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for taking so much time to explain, Ed. There's a lot to explore from all the things you mentioned.........thanks! I am confused and have a quick question about this, particular sentence, though. Take the circle of fifths for example, by moving tritones chromatically up or down, you alternate between the 7th and 3rd of one chord and the 3rd and 7th of the next chord, ad infinitum. I understand what the circle of fifths, the interval a tritone is and I understand the concept of moving chromatically, but I don't understand what you mean when you say to move tritones chromatically in the circle of fifths. Can you elaborate or give me a concrete example so I can try this out? thanks, again, for everyone's advice here. I'm really learning a lot lately and it's fun to make the old noggin' stretch! Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 22:47:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E5D1183462; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 22:47:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FD3D293.5080106@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 15:47:47 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rainer Straschill CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: STRATEGIES for REHARMONIZATION in LIVE LOOP COMPOSITION References: <4FD3670C.1000700@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <4FD3670C.1000700@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 22:47:55 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Rainer, A quick question so I can better understand. You are using some symbols that I believe may be European and not American (though I could be wrong) what are t, tp, s6- , S7 ? thanks, Rick On 6/9/12 8:09 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > Rick Walker schrieb: >> Is counterpoint used in modern songwriting, out of curiosity? I, of >> course, have heard it >> in J.S. Bach's music, though I"m not sure I understand what he's >> doing harmonically speaking. > I guess that's true for the vast majority of people whose name was not > J.S. Bach ;) > > Your question gets really interesting I think when you put it in the > "live looping composition" context. Here, strange loops can be fun > (and incidentially, I just wrote a piece in that direction a short > time ago), meaning loops that don't come out exactly where they > started. Of course, Bach did that, too. In my example, the tonal > center is somewhat moving, but not aggressively so, so when you > finally reach the last turnaround, you don't even notice that you came > out one whole step above where you started. > > Now put the chord progression into one looper with a computer thingie > attached which pitch-transposes the loop +2 semitones every time it > comes around, and put the melody (which is moving with the tonal > center) in another looper and send it through an intelligent pitch > shifter which you also attach to the computer thingie to make it > transpose the stuff so it stays at the same root, only moves around as > the harmonies do (differently in every turn, until after 6 passes > you're back at the end). > > Rick, I'll send you the score offlist, here are some more comments on > what I do harmonically: > > I do transpose every two bars with two harmonies per bar, so every > four chords. I always start with t (minor tonic), go to T/7 (major > tonic w/ minor seventh in bass), then comes a D7 (that's dominant 7, > not "D"). Next, different things are possible: > 1. by inverting the D7, assume it's a D6 of a new tonality. Follow > that with s7, D7 and end in > a) t (you moved -1 semitone) > b) tp (-4 semitones) > 2. follow the D7 with a s6-, the neapolitan subdominant, which you can > a) treat as the D of another tonality, follow with t (+6) > b) treat as the D6/3 of yet another tonality, resolve to D and > follow with t (+1) > c) as 2.b) but end with tp (-2) > [d) treat as is, follow with t and end up where you were.] > > That way, you can move -4, -2, -1, +1 and +6 (equals -6). So, with the > exception of a minor third up, you can reach every key you want within > four bars. > > I consciously avoided using the 07 trick already mentioned by Fabio > and Per, so if you really need the +3 in four bars, you can use e.g. > t, T/7, D79b w/o root (which is a dim7 on minor third above that), > assume it's the S7 of your destination, follow by D7 and voila - +3 > semitones! > > The diminshed 7th and the neapolitan chord are the two wormholes known > to musicians to get to other tonalities in the blink of an eye. Both > do however force you to use one chromatic note. > > Rainer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 22:53:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEA56183462; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 22:53:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FD3D3EF.7040602@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 15:53:35 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richard sales CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: STRATEGIES for REHARMONIZATION in LIVE LOOP COMPOSITION References: <139C67EA-D8B9-4CC6-A435-9EE98A0383EB@glasswing.com> In-Reply-To: <139C67EA-D8B9-4CC6-A435-9EE98A0383EB@glasswing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 22:53:42 +0000 (UTC) Hi Richard, Because I was so in love with Ashley Khan's amazing book on the making of "Kind of Blue'.......perhaps the best book I've read on music, I heard about Russels' concepts but , good god, that book is really expensive and I haven't popped for it yet. I was in a music theory tribe at tribe.net and there was a long discussion about it and one of the musical theoreticians broke down the concept for us. I'll have to go look that up. > > An inscrutable but what looks to be a key to a critical, subterranean > highway is George Russel's "Lydian Chromatic Concept Of Tonal > Organization." > > *http://www.lydianchromaticconcept.com/* > > > It's expensive. I'm thinking in the fall when the studio and farm > stuff slows down I'll put on my oxygen tanks again and make another > attempt to scale its very steep, El Capitan-ish perpendicular logic. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 23:11:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7706183460; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 23:11:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FD3D830.1070907@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 16:11:44 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ricky Graham CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: STRATEGIES for REHARMONIZATION in LIVE LOOP COMPOSITION References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 23:11:52 +0000 (UTC) On 6/9/12 8:53 AM, Ricky Graham wrote: > No rules, only conventions. How is Dave Liebman working out for you, Rick? I'm so with you there, Ricky, and , in the long run, one has to like the sound of whatever technique you try out. You know, it's funny, but I've begun to look at Western Classical music as just another form of ethnic music on the planet. People have gotten really , really good at it in exactly the same way that Indian musicians have gotten really, really good with the Rag approach. In the long run, I suppose it's just what style or convention one resonates with. I feel guilty, but I have to admit, I'm just not super attracted to counterpoint. I know Bach was an amazing genius, but, honestly, I rarely feel like listening to his music. Part of it is that it is very boring rhythmically to me. It doesn't make it wrong or me an idiot for not loving it, it just doesn't resonate with me. and I've tried a few things out of the Liebman tome, but I've not yet worked in a disciplined way through it. It's cool to get all these new ideas to look into, but I am trying to let each one I look at actually generate compositions so it may take a lifetime to investigate all the things this wonderful list has suggested. thanks, everyone for all your musical knowledge and wisdom. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 23:19:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70B57183460; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 23:19:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FD3D9F3.9020002@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 16:19:15 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richard sales CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: [Fwd: Re: Can I have your feedback?] References: <2DACF36A-A705-45E1-B17D-332FD6C05CDD@glasswing.com> In-Reply-To: <2DACF36A-A705-45E1-B17D-332FD6C05CDD@glasswing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 23:19:23 +0000 (UTC) On 6/9/12 9:51 AM, richard sales wrote: > Also, I really love the Slate Drum samples and their new software. > > Do you have V Drums there, Rick? Don't know the Slate drums. I'll go look into them. BTW, I have a sampled drum collection that I've been collecting with rigor for the last 15 years. I sell it as a $30 DVD. I went nuts going through friends sample collections, different websites, some of my own sampled sounds. It sounds from all the important historical drum machines, synth drum sounds, real drum kits and acoustic and electric percussion. They are all categorized timbrally so that they are very easy to sort through in a sample sequencing program or virtual drum machine. and I don't have V drums. I have always used either a Roland Octapad...........long out of print but it had the ability to layer up to three samples on one pad with digital crossfading that could be assigned to different velocitys..........an awesome instrument and I"m astonished that most pads out these days aren't as sophisticated. I also have a Trigger Finger, but, honestly, I have such an amazing collection of drums and percussion that I rarely use electronic sounds. The only time I do these days is using a new Simmons 'add-one' kit through a bunch of distortions (and only two pads at a time) or when I program in FLStudio Producers Edition 10.0 where everything I do is programmed (abeit, with a lot of programming nuance to make things sound more realistic). rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 00:27:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04A79183462; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 00:27:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=jItrUwoIDvMXat92CXrW3ouo8mamI7r1jgM/lgBiHoU=; b=Humf1u08GfdLB/9rGW50bxZU4z8dKbAqji+sMqzRS3u5caoD27hUvXbTkrQsOJwy39 VLcwCyWt9wZIn84iWRxn3+3nFG+fBsMSZQTva6M/obUotj07tRftMmihOFOe0vK7hX6p /mQl9Tn+gRCgX2CPJ+iNQ/iYga2WDSthGmKwcQlOya+ThhDv6g3RdqwtwEjrSpjmKWij b8HH872KIZf0NTfW7/gIyqE6+QtMfo4UV2I2n/p0gyn4YC5bo4dz7Do1PCcD9TVdYy0O /viHIMIoYafTOs6QMiWYTaqfPMQW48YZYmFxIAmMwKx2m3BJvhE3GNHz/3MXaBE2pUJn 2JjA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FD3CD2D.1080601@cruzio.com> References: <4FD314B0.6050204@tiscali.co.uk> <4FD3CD2D.1080601@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 17:27:27 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Can I have your feedback?] From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0442815a507a0f04c2134c01 Resent-Message-ID: <89p-EC.A.cjF.xn-0PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 00:27:29 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0442815a507a0f04c2134c01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Im loving these responses. Thank you all! On Jun 9, 2012 3:24 PM, "Rick Walker" wrote: > On 6/9/12 2:17 AM, andy butler wrote: > >> >> Actually I doubt that rhythm would work at all if squared off. >> > > Well, we will have to agree to disagree on this one, Andy, which is fine as > we frequently disagree on aesthetics and I still respect the hell out of > your opinons. > > To me, the rhythms are so syncopated and the tempo is pretty rapid. Pure > quantization > tends to work better under these circumstances, imho. > > But I'm not arguing that everything should be quantized or perfect. > > And I agree with you that Kay'lon has a good feel for rhythm, I was just > being > honest that this particular performance seemed too lumpy for my tastes. > > It's all good though. > > Rick > > --f46d0442815a507a0f04c2134c01 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Im loving these responses.=A0 Thank you all!

On Jun 9, 2012 3:24 PM, "Rick Walker" = <looppool@cruzio.com> wrot= e:
On 6/9/12 2:17 AM, andy butler wrote:

Actually I doubt that rhythm would work at all if squared off.

Well, we will have to agree to disagree on this one, Andy, which is fine as=
we frequently disagree on aesthetics and I still respect the hell out of yo= ur opinons.

To me, the rhythms are so syncopated and the tempo is pretty rapid. =A0 Pur= e quantization
tends to work better under these circumstances, imho.

But I'm not arguing that everything should be quantized or perfect.

And I agree with you that Kay'lon has a good feel for rhythm, =A0I was = just being
honest that this particular performance seemed too lumpy for my tastes.

It's all good though.

Rick

--f46d0442815a507a0f04c2134c01-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 00:37:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C733C183462; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 00:37:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: looping on NPR References: <6212C1D7-00CE-49AC-89DE-99AC3E4E8130@gmail.com> From: Peter Koniuto Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7DA709A8-5BBA-477B-B9BD-105F5717720E X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: <6212C1D7-00CE-49AC-89DE-99AC3E4E8130@gmail.com> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 20:37:06 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - lava.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - redsunsoundroom.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 00:37:11 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7DA709A8-5BBA-477B-B9BD-105F5717720E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Lovely! Thanks for sharing! =E2=80=94 =E2=80=94 =E2=80=94 =E2=80=94 =E2=80=94 =E2=80=94 =E2=80=94 =E2=80= =94 =E2=80=94 Peter Koniuto Creative Recordist Red Sun Soundroom Niskayuna, NY Music's Inside... www.RedSunSoundroom.com On Jun 9, 2012, at 10:56 AM, RP Collier wrote: > this morning on Saturday Edition > violin, voice and beatboxing >=20 > http://www.npr.org/2012/06/09/154575079/kishi-bashi-unique-performances-in= -time >=20 > regards >=20 > BobC >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > http://rpcollier.bandcamp.com/album/platz > http://soundcloud.com/rpcollier --Apple-Mail-7DA709A8-5BBA-477B-B9BD-105F5717720E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

Lovely! Thanks for sha= ring!


=E2=80=94= =E2=80=94 =E2=80=94 =E2=80=94 =E2=80=94 =E2=80=94 =E2=80=94 =E2=80=94 =E2=80= =94
Peter Koniuto
Creative Recordist
Red Sun S= oundroom
Niskayuna, NY

Music's Inside...<= /div>

On Jun 9, 2012, at 10:56 AM, RP Collier <skeptikalist@gmail.com> wrote:
this morning on Saturda= y Edition

regards

BobC




= --Apple-Mail-7DA709A8-5BBA-477B-B9BD-105F5717720E-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 01:24:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A3EE183464; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 01:24:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=zpGa84bMyeIHY5u1+qb5orrc+XSoA+Dtc/ffUhJClMo=; b=qDZJEoRCWhjpIenOZpIB3NMbBzd7pl6Z+BkwaIpeHItlWgO80xj6cJVp3hlwNMssF4 /1GPvYWt0zJdSFJtZSa+MzE6KXxW2L+IC/kf7QkRMKlHzMIjDScP4HbpL/t5c527EmL4 DdDMlWgupYcL8YK8eyNAIXSEIrFMUcJqSTeiU3/4wzdPMk/Wuf1By3uvf3XPcwZegj5c aMfRDBhg+f5zXBUUlLSvQGhpLZpcHDUvUNlyeEZIobIaLj9Nyfm9UaqO7zOvI19UL+f4 mH9DhrLw+7vHeCeLuyGuL4HAAiLrtGc9QT6bhmcDUGnxnxaY3Sj1K3miDRJ4523Rskpy g9kQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FD30683.803@soundscapes.us> References: <4FD30683.803@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 18:24:01 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Listen to Thought Radio From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04430654a36e6204c21416e1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 01:24:03 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04430654a36e6204c21416e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I missed the electronic section didnt i? On Jun 9, 2012 1:17 AM, "Bill Fox" wrote: > THOUGHT RADIO: http://soundscapes.us/**thoughtradio > ==============================**==============================** > =========== > My next stint on Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show, > will be Saturday, June 9 at 6 am EDT/GMT-4. In Phase One, I will > continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler > CDs. > > I host the show every other week. When I am at the helm, the show > features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an > eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive > Rock. > > Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at > http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/**stream.html > > --f46d04430654a36e6204c21416e1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I missed the electronic section didnt i?

On Jun 9, 2012 1:17 AM, "Bill Fox" <= ;billyfox@soundscapes.us>= wrote:
THOUGHT RADIO: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 http://soundscapes.us/<= /u>thoughtradio
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D
My next stint on Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show,
will be Saturday, June 9 at 6 am EDT/GMT-4. =A0In Phase One, I will
continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs.

I host the show every other week. When I am at the helm, the show
features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an
eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive
Rock.

Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at
http:/= /muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html

--f46d04430654a36e6204c21416e1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 02:45:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AACE4183462; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 02:45:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FD40A55.6030406@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 19:45:41 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: STRATEGIES for REHARMONIZATION in LIVE LOOP COMPOSITION References: <4FD3B998.2020001@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4FD3B998.2020001@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4oj9cC.A.9sG.epA1PB@arsenic> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 02:45:50 +0000 (UTC) I've heard it said: It is more meaningful to break the rules if you know them already. I see some wisdom in that. I've seen really talented young drummers playing in what they thought was a West African paradigm who just would never pass muster in an authentic setting because they just hadn't done enough homework, but then again, there are people who just jump boldly out without ever learning the rules......they do some cool shit, too. rick On 6/9/12 2:01 PM, andy butler wrote: > I was alluding to composers that > set themselves rules to work with. > > Stockhausen, Messiaen, Xenakis > > and also consider > Gesualdo....followed the old established rules, in a > highly unconventional way. > > > ...I think you'll be hard pressed > to find many who broke convention that thoroughly. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 08:41:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E748183463; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 08:41:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=RlgUwYC5VDoUNMT24LMWqpjafis2ukX4c2HkQrPc12g=; b=jjaW2Gs0/mv1OjnoF18/A1y5PPK0NkpR84IceR0FzFShBfbZdkpKJ6YpfTTHAXFVff +4OYoWB8g5ZConQgeGVgd/eNMZv88jRBlPogLytK61pZWht2j/tOJ51M+epdTQvsvdUU UAXiJZjBQCi6xUP5qAS0GQWLVAwbpcfQLja71Xzjp1wEGERhIBeCvi6SME7ZGwWDPuK8 kM7h1K4tvDoLHRnw4dIObE3OOU71eKoFAkL/eyHOkn+Ini1mgGX8aMvd1qD3HNrJld3T TU/notmCEWcTXOWyXIHBCEij+zBYgEvnZi8W+ogWngTesLO8q3jl/UQJ9lOr4CE7ZLwR mUYg== References: <4FD3CE24.6040103@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4FD3CE24.6040103@cruzio.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8AF1ACC9-97D2-4E83-9071-46FB17346508 Message-Id: <1940AE6D-390D-4EBC-8C36-B8ED67FC11BA@gmail.com> Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B176) From: F_Anile Subject: Re: STRATEGIES for REHARMONIZATION in LIVE LOOP COMPOSITION Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 10:41:16 +0200 To: Rick Walker Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 08:41:18 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8AF1ACC9-97D2-4E83-9071-46FB17346508 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A tritone substitution is the use of a V7 that is three whole steps (a trito= ne) from the original chord.=20 Tritone substitution always share two pitches: third and seventh, albeit rev= ersed. In a G7 chord, the third is B and the seventh is F. In its tritone substitut= ion - Db7 - the third is an F and the seventh is Cb (B, enharmonically speak= ing). The interval between the third and seventh of a dominant seventh chord= is itself a tritone. >=20 > And a quick question, I often hear of this 'tritone substitution' but I'm= not quite sure how you generated it=20 > in this particular example. How did you pick the Db 7+ substitution for= the G7 chord? What was your formula=20 > and what does the '+' sign mean in that chord spelling? Nothing, just a typo. I meant to write: Db7 (sorry !) >=20 > Rick >=20 -f= --Apple-Mail-8AF1ACC9-97D2-4E83-9071-46FB17346508 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

A tritone substi= tution is the use of a V7 that is three whole steps (a tritone) fr= om the original chord. 

Tritone substitution always s= hare two pitches: third and seventh, albeit reversed.

In a= G7 chord, the third is B and the seventh is F. In its tritone substitution -= Db7 - the third is an F and the seventh is Cb (B, enharmonically speak= ing). The interval between the third and seventh of a dominant seventh c= hord is itself a tritone.


And a quick question,  I often hear of this 'tritone substitution= ' but I'm not quite sure how you generated it
in this particular example.    How did you pick the Db 7= + substitution for the G7 chord?    What was your formula=


=
and what does the '+' sign mean in that chord spelling?

Nothing, just a typo. I meant to write: D= b7 (sorry !)


Rick

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-f= --Apple-Mail-8AF1ACC9-97D2-4E83-9071-46FB17346508-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 10:11:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79F64183460; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 10:11:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: Sonuus anyone? Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:11:19 +0200 Message-ID: <002301cd46f1$61e67bd0$25b37370$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01CD4702.256F4BD0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1G8WE0R0wJFWO8RE2geli24ofArw== Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 10:11:24 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CD4702.256F4BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I usually use a GK-2a and an Axon AX-50 for midi guitaring but I'm = wondering if a Sonuus would do most of the same job with less hardware. = It is monophonic right? what does it do and what not, how good does it = track? -Michael =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CD4702.256F4BD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I usually use a GK-2a and an Axon = AX-50 for midi guitaring but I'm wondering = if a Sonuus would do most of the same job = with less hardware. It is monophonic right? what does it do and what = not, how good does it track?=C2=A0 = -Michael=

 

------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CD4702.256F4BD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 10:27:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4204183462; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 10:27:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 774003243/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.21.67/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.21.67 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAGF11E9YbRVD/2dsb2JhbAANOIVVsiQBAQEEIxVAEQsYAgIFFgsCAgkDAgECAUUcAa1ykWeBI4oJgkmCCYESA5pejRw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,384,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="774003243" Message-ID: <4FD47687.1020600@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 11:27:19 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sonuus anyone? References: <002301cd46f1$61e67bd0$25b37370$@de> In-Reply-To: <002301cd46f1$61e67bd0$25b37370$@de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 10:27:06 +0000 (UTC) Hi Michael. Easy question :-) I've AB'ed the Sonuus with the Axon technology. Here's what the Sonuus will do for you: Yup, it's mono. Play 5ths into it and it gives you an octave down (undocumented useful feature) It tracks noticeably slower. It has less tendency to warble. Pitch bend range is fixed to 2 semitones. Go fractionally past that on a bend and it will re-trigger (i.e. really only practical for semitone bends). Can't remember if it's possible to change it's midi channel. There's a nice feature where an led tells you *before* the battery runs out. andy Michael Peters wrote: > I usually use a GK-2a and an Axon AX-50 for midi guitaring but I'm > wondering if a Sonuus would do most of the same job with less hardware. > It is monophonic right? what does it do and what not, how good does it > track? -Michael > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 11:08:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40C5F18345D; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 11:08:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=L5KKOJ7NsY39S7qEKeMm+zjKGWy/bUvgfMEoMSqfDYQ=; b=GWdXLGlbC/i0fEsTOM2bQ024+Z2pSOaIIG+x9eSOaIpwvT3aYAaEnglQ3liS9wW5jE Ruts0uNnpuZ9DEyEm1XGO8nR0HPdpwvQ4XEAn+ZhOon/DHMS1HqXrfpe3ljUPReI9Nvu XDJ4HcS2lKPA1cgHA7RXQYGC4d3VLc6AnTjQQfekdUljRXmJRT8iszTTkY3WElGRiOve uWdsvgx/yRw4bpqmoP5DWFluGQbTReLSW5Po2W1NrjzVKv2SEoI7WklKJIoOZgLMC7sk x4z5UxxGWSc3xvdLfPTkUU3/VTRUUlxgFNCcloJTWNT7TnCUSjocmalB1fDunk2SjhSp 0lVQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 20:08:25 +0900 Message-ID: Subject: EDP beatsync and brothersync From: philip meyers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044304e89f038904c21c403a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 11:08:27 +0000 (UTC) --f46d044304e89f038904c21c403a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm not exactly clear from the manual whether it is possible to use beatsync and brother sync at the same time. I'm thinking of taking one of the individual outs from an 808 into the beatsync jack and using that EDP as the master for a pair of EDPs (brothersync'd in stereo) I only have access to one working EDP right now, so I can't test this at home. Thanks! Philip --f46d044304e89f038904c21c403a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm not exactly clear from the manual whether it is possible to us= e beatsync and brother sync at the same time.

I= 9;m thinking of taking one of the individual outs from an 808 into the beat= sync jack and using that EDP as the master for a pair of EDPs (brothersync&= #39;d in stereo)

I only have access to one working EDP right now, so I can= 9;t test this at home.=A0

Thanks!

Philip


--f46d044304e89f038904c21c403a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 11:12:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA14F18345B; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 11:12:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EShxhWz4oyKbInLpRXrsnwv4CcbahArvkFHj2UQUQLA=; b=djz3AUSbFJp0lQ1ptINRAbtu6YKJkvlNo7B8YQ06r6H01VGKGW3x06Te4nnWAE0Hd5 MReiG6k+NNCN9wmzMlQpOA8CmkrcWHJhz7hyWNBkY2jlh6+SKOpPPfPLhphDjJCmF/53 x8J9fAc9arL/KHGqL3LYhTh0JkoP+Io/QNY8UOwg62ca3aL3eCflyLn2A3KYLxOu83EE /KAmaoP5dGE3CujhGzsDEErAZgtEVDcShKd9xx9ayGZLnn58yFfsE4gMPUQ42HoIxBRD wXftHMg/IYIUntzgq7eMlyQ7valJTLTpJtsp+qiMhyKscs1cLFWuHLdZnZz4HPNIGmQq XIkw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FD47687.1020600@tiscali.co.uk> References: <002301cd46f1$61e67bd0$25b37370$@de> <4FD47687.1020600@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 13:12:10 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sonuus anyone? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 11:12:10 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 12:27 PM, andy butler wrot= e: > Pitch bend range is fixed to 2 semitones. Go fractionally past that on a > bend > and it will re-trigger (i.e. really only practical for semitone bends). I didn't know that. Anyway, with string instruments I don't use pitchbend anyway as I keep my synths to "chromatic". This is of course part of the approach to not use synth sounds that "doubles up" what the guitar's string's sound already does but rather adds a complimentary color (for example soft attack vs the guitar string's sharp and fast attack etc etc). I'm wondering if the Sonuus will be good for fretless instruments? Probably. One point in playing fretless is the nice attack and vibrato and you really don't want to muddy that up by adding a synth that follows pitchbend :-) =C2=A0Better then using synth sounds that enhances the beauty of the fretless tone. But when using the EWI I rely a lot on pitchbend set to two semitone's range. I guess you've already read the review at Guitar Moderne? http://www.guitarmoderne.com/gear-2/gear-review-sonuus-i2m-synth-musicport There is also also a discussion on the Sonuus at the Stick forum: http://www.stickist.com/viewtopic.php?f=3D4&t=3D5211&p=3D36374&hilit=3DSonu= us#p36374 It turned out Michael Bernier has been using the Sonuus for a while and he seems to make creative use of some aspects of the Sonuus that others criticize. Pasting in his report below: > "I only use it for melodies really...when I get obnoxiously fast it picks= up every third note....but I've turned that into an asset...the software t= hat comes with it allows you to determine which note your note played will = trigger...you can latch on up to 5...so in essence for each single note you= strike you can trigger a preset "chord"....or just keep it monophonic. The= last performance I played, I had 5 cellos accompanying a melody...pretty c= ool once you begin to get creative WITH it's limitations. I really only use= this as a peripheral device to enhance what I'm playing with voicings and = textures...with other virtual sound samples...I am playing a Stick after al= l is said n done so I have little interest in convincing the listener that = it's anything but that. The additional lush accompanying midi sounds just h= elp the "fullness" of the ideas I'm conveying (especially for solo work) . = There's no detectable latency to my ear that it blends perfectly. If I'm pl= aying really really fast I'm usually just playing without the Sonuus. I hav= e noticed that pretty much all lead synths (ala George Duke, Jam Hammer) ar= e really resonsive no matter how fast I play." Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 11:15:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5A9A183466; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 11:15:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3c4/ZriM+I5VqTDyntbVcwudFc75hOJ/n13+VY96M5c=; b=ZlwQ3z3EJOBlkD5vkPrQpz3aM/Az8+xOkuKr6gaVXIbMoILGYg6xlRkFdJ7atJRO7c wArnCjcAIL78QKYg0TAFkytcC8rLo4QSe3IqrjiapRaNkijIAbw7DI52qwzYAjhq8cSW 9FIx1UUeUbmwXX0NyVOtW2IM4NQPHWghz4AObudiYbCQnu+wvyvC/kwoKaPp24reMiFu 1Z7IBxyXOyYFniNO2aI17eAAHjm3oTet9v+/4MmnC1+i7tA6AhhBdhgZyGsnHR/13kBY 9uA5mI32oFcD9s6PsYjcf3op6ofJxUv5m2iqawCz66fqY/r4X3J6DV8lgsRHZ/s2VWcS MHZg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 13:15:23 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: EDP beatsync and brothersync From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <6mcKlD.A.BHD.LHI1PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 11:15:23 +0000 (UTC) That's an interesting idea that would be very useful if it works. I used an EDP for many years but never thought about testing both protocols together, although I used both beat- and brother sync a lot. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 1:08 PM, philip meyers wrote: > I'm not exactly clear from the manual whether it is possible to use beatsync > and brother sync at the same time. > > I'm thinking of taking one of the individual outs from an 808 into the > beatsync jack and using that EDP as the master for a pair of EDPs > (brothersync'd in stereo) > > I only have access to one working EDP right now, so I can't test this at > home. > > Thanks! > > Philip > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 11:34:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E626F183466; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 11:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Sonuus anyone? Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 13:34:23 +0200 Message-ID: <002301cd46fc$fd0887b0$f7199710$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1G+eEKl7joTKhSRxS9e+vVc1qFyQAAh6Jg Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 11:34:28 +0000 (UTC) ah, many thanks Andy and Per, very helpful! I guess I should simply get = one and try for myself. I am completely happy with my Axon in fact but = in cases like the upcoming Florence concert, I have to think about = airlines and suitcase weight, and the Axon is a massive little box that = (together with its AC adaptor) contributes about one kilo!=20 Will the audio interface in the i2M work peacefully together with the = Edirol audio interface (that is still used for output) in Bidule? I = never used two audio interface inputs side by side in Bidule. -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 12:14:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DFF118345C; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:14:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FPTCGBDyvsr1QhQjxBwL/PRtGxkBHiaUKsSndEfmvUc=; b=pCm6HqOu+5gigrQahNhxA8qLGZhnMe9wVMHnM4uSR2T40aHqEyfu0V5FzWVV3zCbdG 8dPx9TdqWbIqmcRwp34hwaEb0smVa4QDTV2ZJu2QdrgskugPsPPoTUeEssuNr1TK/eWV PUIhP3PdRjf2PpO30vbzJhM/Om4zap+WWCcgND8i8ed6ma6f4oVNtUXGbneMKHNXsyeB GY5Tu4YAnSCJC2RKsR3M4CffyC6Fq9x74ILcnFl781J0dlFPQ7rGNUxoskLclbkt4bDB H7mz1k/RgW8H7hQ7pPpmUvAdidkY4VW/QGG/be9UAHiqzIe6dnWAVBXXp+C7CyIQ58GL PlWQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FD3CE24.6040103@cruzio.com> References: <4FD3CE24.6040103@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 14:14:53 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: STRATEGIES for REHARMONIZATION in LIVE LOOP COMPOSITION From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:14:54 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 12:28 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > How did you pick the Db 7+ substitution for the G7 chord?=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 What was your > formula No "formula" as far as I know. Simply look at what notes those two chords have and you will see that most of the notes are the same. That's why the *substitution* works. You can substitute any chord with any other chord that covers most of the substituted chord's notes. Here'=C2=A8s a good hands-on example: Instead of playing the G7 as (from low note to high) G D F B you can play G# D F B. You simply up one note by a half step to get into the tritone zone, the diminished seventh chord. > and what does the '+' sign mean in that chord spelling? The "+" sign in a chord name usually means that the fifth is raised a halv note (John Lennon is the immediate association here). In Fabio's example the "+" comes right after the "7" so I would guess it means that the seventh note here should be sharp (that makes sense to form the sounding tritone chord to substitute G7). But diminished seventh chords can be used in their own right as well, not just for substitution. One well known example is the bridge in When A Man Loves A Woman. If you play that song in C major the bridge goes to F and then resolves into G. But between F and G a F# tritone chord kicks an even higher gear for tension. Since there are only three such chords you often see guitar players slide such a chord up and down along the fretboard while fingerpicking the notes. Fun thing to do, staying on the same chord "in the music" while constantly changing the arpeggiated notes due to the different voicings (of the same theoretical chord). A cool song and educational example is Oscillation Cycles by Ron Jarzombek. This video is breaking down parts to show the obvious logic in using a tritone chord as the base for whole tone music http://youtu.be/8d5SCH0Umbs (full song, putting all the pieces together by the end of the video) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 12:30:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A7AE183463; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:30:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XHYX+ohMJb1Qx+QH3Yy0rirxuYHoIMQYXFd/OKx19Yg=; b=b5Bm1+EKCJ9rZ2nB7D98kr+9A6TF2R/stWYg4vnLazY8arhHSDnPfwOwwtyyUAhLis jh/HgHW5td0Qe6Q0f9VH+DP/nad7Gr07wdtCBXbFIAnnmSdFmCEW4vlBmHArp/tefNWC xfZ6k1YuIMGnMHb0WLS3NeeAtM4O07TUC+6thFRxClN+ObHlndZ6L3ZxCfMjAlIwIt6Z L5p385gV0Wh/lA/URRRkFVY1Tr8IEWGFD526S3WLczdWOLHniII+lILLSxnrqOL7DBnq KVGrqUCGYqDC6kAxKqYIbiU0hWcrSeI9OACJbY38hxhfFOgKpMfMOcp+FKDhDMRxxKtH Wqig== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <002301cd46fc$fd0887b0$f7199710$@de> References: <002301cd46fc$fd0887b0$f7199710$@de> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 14:30:34 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sonuus anyone? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:30:34 +0000 (UTC) When you get your Sonuus, try it and report! It's an interesting thing. In my experience so far, two audio interfaces on the same system has never been a good idea. I've had it working long ago under Windows -98 but that was before Bidule and when running Emagic software with one of the audio interfaces being manufactured by Emagic. I don't know how you should do that on a temporary Windows system but on Mac there is a way to create an "Aggregate Device" on system level in order to let audio applications talk with a second interface besides the main interface. Recently I have tried to run dual interfaces (RME FF400 + GR-55) and it totally sucks. A better way is to plug one interface's digital output into the other's digital input but still use only one as the system's audio interface. That I have successfully done on both Windows and Mac. But you would still need to be able to set the master clock for the digital audio and cheaper units tend to not offer that feature. With digital audio clock wreck it still works... kind of - but sounds pretty bad. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > ah, many thanks Andy and Per, very helpful! I guess I should simply get o= ne and try for myself. I am completely happy with my Axon in fact but in ca= ses like the upcoming Florence concert, I have to think about airlines and = suitcase weight, and the Axon is a massive little box that (together with i= ts AC adaptor) contributes about one kilo! > > Will the audio interface in the i2M work peacefully together with the Edi= rol audio interface (that is still used for output) in Bidule? I never used= two audio interface inputs side by side in Bidule. > > -Michael > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 12:41:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C681183462; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:41:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=mTdgElx6j8Siw4N9SmMbuUHc3kMPT+94ba1VIOgGW9g=; b=Sgchab40IWi14Urm+theSI8NjoJG3q2ervRs+6+eQIjEPulz6RXH6RbtZhr6ItlDac Mvlemq1HkTDus/dgRTJm8e2RU+YU1Cc51CGxIUntadRUbwfFb5yujYxjQpdvlVWbLLGh gUe+M1vrtPyX2CPt8ugD4LdTzWfr3pLRAdq8aPedWnf114hVfyUWXrSo34aRHZ9oixEl t5u5C5BbXahMvH31gLlfw+b3L79y2zDv4tk+qe0gi4UHksWjY/hky0Ig7Uxyw/gU23RJ Qkum+TCBokf5NWCYuW6937/5opqMHFeZiEudkK7gHGtra3hbVgnCFTNYTuDWoGm/FCt7 +wkA== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Subject: Re: EDP beatsync and brothersync From: philip In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:40:50 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <70C0FD35-C6C7-4837-B8BC-5794EC4A8AD6@gmail.com> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:41:34 +0000 (UTC) I'm sorry if I triple posted an earlier message asking the same = question. I was using my Macbook on the train and I kept getting a = message from LD that the message that my message hadn't been posted. = When I arrived home, I found three copies of the same message got = posted.=20 I may have configured my mailer wrong. My apologies for cluttering your boxes. Philip On Jun 10, 2012, at 8:15 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > That's an interesting idea that would be very useful if it works. I > used an EDP for many years but never thought about testing both > protocols together, although I used both beat- and brother sync a lot. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 > On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 1:08 PM, philip meyers = wrote: >> I'm not exactly clear from the manual whether it is possible to use = beatsync >> and brother sync at the same time. >>=20 >> I'm thinking of taking one of the individual outs from an 808 into = the >> beatsync jack and using that EDP as the master for a pair of EDPs >> (brothersync'd in stereo) >>=20 >> I only have access to one working EDP right now, so I can't test this = at >> home. >>=20 >> Thanks! >>=20 >> Philip >>=20 >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 12:44:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86419183462; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:44:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=F2/BO+okdrm7KciK9h/v4K8zIM13V/Cusd/IE+a6JwI=; b=CW/xgsaJlhqOVPSvBJAiiW1pHYs01psF6umZJ3hZMxebPnZtiindPVpjo9SMcaEyg2 kBBGFyxb74c+Sjzugcmh4fw8NAkD9vjthkgQw19i/psgvs59uECveKK4E8V2Qn9I++kh ukp8PzB5y8MV/BJ8KDoD0IP8FRRfxhFbzpJj1ww/7XkwHhWtRZhQ5ovAoLdUrjLXvI0p 47As7TMT6crb43Kz8zrfbJYqZBaA1FDhxTjAHCYm/YnSPemccVigkhBLrCiLSwfye/WD Sv1+jqofXOIBccNv1NBHVmUoWaYlLNhWi02Ri4s32BpNs5FxrI0voh+lKEmx/ExgCUez 4FeQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 14:43:49 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: PwyUQ8OQ_AS_Q6V0dc6uphT9N-I Message-ID: Subject: Re: EDP beatsync and brothersync To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba5bb961fb785f04c21d962d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:44:11 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba5bb961fb785f04c21d962d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I believe this would work, although, like Per, have not actually used it as such. I use 1 EDP as my master clock source, and brother synch this to another, in addition I use the beat synch jack to synchronize the delays on the Lexicon Vortex. So both protocols DO work at the same time. However remember that you must set the EDP to OUT or IN. So im not sure whether you get a beat in functionality when it is set to OUT. Would you not want to synchonise the 808 FROM the EDP via a clock to Din synch box? or doe sthe master clock have to be FROM the 808? On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 1:08 PM, philip meyers wrote: > I'm not exactly clear from the manual whether it is possible to use > beatsync and brother sync at the same time. > > I'm thinking of taking one of the individual outs from an 808 into the > beatsync jack and using that EDP as the master for a pair of EDPs > (brothersync'd in stereo) > > I only have access to one working EDP right now, so I can't test this at > home. > > Thanks! > > Philip > > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --90e6ba5bb961fb785f04c21d962d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I believe this would work, although, like Per, have not actually used it as= such.
I use 1 EDP as my master clock source, and brother synch this to= another, in addition I use the beat synch jack to synchronize the delays o= n the Lexicon Vortex. So both protocols DO work at the same time. However r= emember that you must set the EDP to OUT or IN. So im not sure whether you = get a beat in functionality when it is set to OUT.
Would you not want to synchonise the 808 FROM the EDP via a clock to Din sy= nch box? or doe sthe master clock have to be FROM the 808?

On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 1:08 PM, philip meyers <phil= ip.ojc@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not exactly clear from the manu= al whether it is possible to use beatsync and brother sync at the same time= .

I'm thinking of taking one of the individual outs f= rom an 808 into the beatsync jack and using that EDP as the master for a pa= ir of EDPs (brothersync'd in stereo)

I only have access to one working EDP right now, so I can= 9;t test this at home.=A0

Thanks!

Philip

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twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--90e6ba5bb961fb785f04c21d962d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 13:00:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04455183463; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 13:00:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=m70nDwuygKc0h0gbS08LyE3Y7xUjkZd27t5Z7qADGbY=; b=LEcLQ2S/A85YRge6U68T9EWCAsm9JLhMa2FssO4vPh9koqntE8WoehYIDPPPNjnRtS SkTQNvHqstaggmtEKzXVZDz6VmE3sAr6nvCZz4XtNT3l4DrE1BVCUaxw75k9ROGwZCc+ ErTrkG+cFPs1Hx8MTqSIKaKhdlkTItmfrOojZfYDg/wmiNzoYe3e2bAuRoIo6iNfQY4+ NPdPzCfDlEZE4atYob/b+zGFD78wKUYOAH+Rfuyv/rgelbp+epLEG7xbV6+K8rBpb67Q +AhjMOGrWAX4kameoqnMYBovSpot/atLryYLtv6iANCG0WMtA7Gm4Yoo8WnPyxptEzkI yPvg== From: philip Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1DE3CD87-7922-477F-ABB7-24E96BD8E20C" Subject: Re: EDP beatsync and brothersync Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:59:40 +0900 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 13:00:24 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_1DE3CD87-7922-477F-ABB7-24E96BD8E20C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 My buddy has a bunch of old roland DIN sync gear 808 303 etc. His beats = would be what I would work with. I was thinking of using one of the outputs on the 808 to send a beat to = one EDP and syncing guitar and vocal loops to the stuff that he does.=20 On Jun 10, 2012, at 9:43 PM, mark francombe wrote: > I believe this would work, although, like Per, have not actually used = it as such.=20 > I use 1 EDP as my master clock source, and brother synch this to = another, in addition I use the beat synch jack to synchronize the delays = on the Lexicon Vortex. So both protocols DO work at the same time. = However remember that you must set the EDP to OUT or IN. So im not sure = whether you get a beat in functionality when it is set to OUT.=20 > Would you not want to synchonise the 808 FROM the EDP via a clock to = Din synch box? or doe sthe master clock have to be FROM the 808? >=20 > On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 1:08 PM, philip meyers = wrote: > I'm not exactly clear from the manual whether it is possible to use = beatsync and brother sync at the same time. >=20 > I'm thinking of taking one of the individual outs from an 808 into the = beatsync jack and using that EDP as the master for a pair of EDPs = (brothersync'd in stereo) >=20 > I only have access to one working EDP right now, so I can't test this = at home.=20 >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > Philip >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >=20 --Apple-Mail=_1DE3CD87-7922-477F-ABB7-24E96BD8E20C Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 My buddy has a bunch of old roland DIN sync gear 808 303 etc. His beats would be what I would work with.

I was thinking of using one of the outputs on the 808 to send a beat to one EDP and syncing guitar and vocal loops to the stuff that he does. 


On Jun 10, 2012, at 9:43 PM, mark francombe wrote:

I believe this would work, although, like Per, have not actually used it as such.
I use 1 EDP as my master clock source, and brother synch this to another, in addition I use the beat synch jack to synchronize the delays on the Lexicon Vortex. So both protocols DO work at the same time. However remember that you must set the EDP to OUT or IN. So im not sure whether you get a beat in functionality when it is set to OUT.
Would you not want to synchonise the 808 FROM the EDP via a clock to Din synch box? or doe sthe master clock have to be FROM the 808?

On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 1:08 PM, philip meyers <philip.ojc@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not exactly clear from the manual whether it is possible to use beatsync and brother sync at the same time.

I'm thinking of taking one of the individual outs from an 808 into the beatsync jack and using that EDP as the master for a pair of EDPs (brothersync'd in stereo)

I only have access to one working EDP right now, so I can't test this at home. 

Thanks!

Philip





--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/


--Apple-Mail=_1DE3CD87-7922-477F-ABB7-24E96BD8E20C-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 13:15:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96A4E183462; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 13:15:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 774037696/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.21.67/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.21.67 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAEud1E9YbRVD/2dsb2JhbAANN4VVsiUBAQQjFUARCxoCBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFHAGtW5FngSOMUoIJgRIDml6NHA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,384,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="774037696" Message-ID: <4FD49E03.4060203@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 14:15:47 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sonuus anyone? References: <002301cd46fc$fd0887b0$f7199710$@de> In-Reply-To: <002301cd46fc$fd0887b0$f7199710$@de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 13:15:34 +0000 (UTC) Hi Michael, Bidule only permits one audio interface. Not sure, but if you get hold of the Bidule version that works as a vst plugin, and host Bidule within Bidule I think you can workaround. (i.e. the Bidule within Bidule just exists to hook up to the i2M) Incidently, my feedback was for the Sonuus G2, not the i2M, Another thing to try is that I remember someone did a Bidule group to convert pitch to midi. It's on the Bidule forum somewhere. Hi Per, afaik Midi pitch bend is essential for really good tracking. Sometimes the note picked is out by a semitone, and an immediate Pitch bend compensates. ..well it happens with the fast tracking Axon like that. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 13:52:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14D78183465; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 13:52:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=G2LL5rBSjBz0lyiNKef0ZY3+7HF3GrgcQGpzF/j+fvc=; b=VJroyo9tBan2SRCmokL+UnWPlOrgc1KIBRFlN6O6DjW9FIBcvw22Wg/oAGyMF8zs8K uE7dpUwnmEZF9gGlOpJ0nSgyJels0s0oqo/frsF53n260ncNsVqUacgCRHREW+ICSlwl +2jJqCk6PGexPXWowwoWgSYv5YNpFW0Kei8jiUv1jT2NqViZ4ar/Z4+Dlu0kfC7DKrll 8dThSG0J3DcX6EtA02RcU51s9X4XtLE1MVFbwcaZQRVAjqfjbirHcxkZ00YhkVU3YDT3 t0YC7pN6tGCiZAw4CjP4wUiw3Erpx24PSp70NlJoHQSiBtDQdBeD/eblrbACS0Gzbv3H KCDA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FD49E03.4060203@tiscali.co.uk> References: <002301cd46fc$fd0887b0$f7199710$@de> <4FD49E03.4060203@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 15:52:57 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sonuus anyone? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 13:52:57 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 3:15 PM, andy butler wrote: > Hi Per, > afaik Midi pitch bend is essential for really good tracking. > Sometimes the note picked is out by a semitone, and an immediate Pitch bend > compensates. > ..well it happens with the fast tracking Axon like that. The Axon is know for the fastest tracking. But I still chose to go with synths that do not follow the guitar too close (i.e. pitch bend turned off, synth working in chromatic mode). Not only for the esthetic reason already mentioned (rather using synths *behind* string sound to complement and enhance string sound) but also because I like to apply an arpeggiator between the guitar/stick generated MIDI and the synth. And I don't like the rapid arpeggio to follow pitch-bend in a melody played over the arpeggio. Maybe this approach comes from beginning with "MIDI guitar" in the late eighties when the Casio MG502 was introduced (still got mine!!!) and the speed of triggering was very, very slow back then so only the put-synth-pad-behind-string-sound application made any musical sense. I can say that from my recent experience with the GR-55 I actually enjoy playing GR-55 synth sounds that follow pitchbend and use it more to blend with the string sound into a unified sound (rather than as a complement). But for me it never reaches the same playability and expressiveness as the pure string sound (or as if using an EWI as the hands-on instrument). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 13:58:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27CEE183462; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 13:58:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 779881204/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.21.67/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.21.67 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAE+n1E9YbRVD/2dsb2JhbAANOLd5AQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBhg25QI11gxsDml6NHIFe X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,384,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="779881204" Message-ID: <4FD4A7F8.9010708@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 14:58:16 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP beatsync and brothersync References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 13:58:02 +0000 (UTC) Hi Philip Brother Sync works when Sync=In (it's not in the manual, but that is the case). What I don't think will work is feeding BeatSync to one EDP and then hoping the other EDP will follow by Brothersync. In fact, it definitely won't work for Stereo, because if it did work you'd have to record on the master EDP first before recording the slave loop. You need to feed the Beat sync signal to both EDPs, in which case there's no problem if they're Brother Synced. andy philip meyers wrote: > I'm not exactly clear from the manual whether it is possible to use > beatsync and brother sync at the same time. > > I'm thinking of taking one of the individual outs from an 808 into the > beatsync jack and using that EDP as the master for a pair of EDPs > (brothersync'd in stereo) > > I only have access to one working EDP right now, so I can't test this at > home. > > Thanks! > > Philip > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 14:07:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BB28183462; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 14:07:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9CWrCg+a22+duF7WSsCmYeWBspIPmjplx8OWjgC2Ph0=; b=cpuzOQLo1UX+LTqq78cNHLZnfkqOtGJ9oNIKbr6VkVxZAdRq5fVCz5nMTuTDhSDJtp IAy3V08uk1RmMdg4RBToTimm+uPUIKSC6eD1gIgXIobCKverjUKlIjEehgF3pDqGL81Q IYHBi+4SmOgrY4s3GL+kh8JTDEdpbz8ZqgLdgkxr5kJnJ/IRc6Uswx0M/8tPAlhy4WhG Ip4/rpIBLi1IKJyNvuWs40IFjTR+lFwYOARZbgIMYBOOBM3fxahbCAvLHqKgYYsxy2SE TJRiBMzKpWeDP7kKQgBlkHfRofDNeOPPY6k2+1YGzvPEUxbGOZuVA32EkUrvmJC8ZKNR 3J+Q== Message-ID: <4FD4AA0D.6020502@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 16:07:09 +0200 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: STRATEGIES for REHARMONIZATION in LIVE LOOP COMPOSITION References: <4FD3670C.1000700@googlemail.com> <4FD3D293.5080106@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4FD3D293.5080106@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 14:07:03 +0000 (UTC) Am 10.06.2012 00:47, schrieb Rick Walker: > A quick question so I can better understand. > You are using some symbols that I believe may be European and not > American > (though I could be wrong) > > what are t, tp, s6- , S7 ? Functional harmonics, (German style ;): Each chord is name according to its function within a harmonic context (tonality). Upper-case for major, lower-case for minor. T, S, D are tonic, subdominant and dominant. Tp, Tg are tonic parallel/antiparallel (one minor third down/major third up from the tonic), Ss, Sg the same for subdominant and so on. You can add additional notes to the triad by e.g. D7 (dominant seventh). Missing root is indicated by a tick through the bottom of the letter (let's use a "r" instead...). And of course, you can use dD for double dominant (the traditional "II"). So why use that? If we do a modulation, one way is to reinterpret the meaning of a chord. E.g. in one of my examples, you have t , t7, s6- -> D, t. (the subdominant with minor sixth in the first tonality becomes the dominant in the new one). Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 14:13:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77052183463; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 14:13:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Ed Durbrow Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2246E1CA-93ED-4BB3-B4F0-32C5E6650775" Subject: vocabulary guide to live looping? Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 23:13:13 +0900 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4FD2C70B.60408@googlemail.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa03b; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 23:13:13 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 14:13:21 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_2246E1CA-93ED-4BB3-B4F0-32C5E6650775 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Do I remember someone posting a vocabulary guide to live looping? I am = very unsure of many of the terms used. TIA On Jun 9, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > If you're writing software, can't you just create a new function to > fit the bill? For example like Jeff didi in Mobius with the Instant > Multiply/Divide function. --Apple-Mail=_2246E1CA-93ED-4BB3-B4F0-32C5E6650775 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Do I = remember someone posting a vocabulary guide to live looping? I am very = unsure of many of the terms used.
TIA

On Jun = 9, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

If you're writing software, can't you just = create a new function to
fit the = bill? For example like Jeff didi in Mobius with the Instant
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References: <002301cd46fc$fd0887b0$f7199710$@de> <4FD49E03.4060203@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4FD49E03.4060203@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 14:14:39 +0000 (UTC) andy butler wrote: > Hi Michael, > Bidule only permits one audio interface. > but Sonuus say i2M has: An ASIO driver (only supported on Windows operating systems) is available to provide low latency audio and features the unique ability to use any other audio device (even other ASIO devices) as the output audio device so you can hear everything you do in real time. :-) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 14:36:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A804183462; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 14:36:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=mq8o1yZP6dWFgA5A0Rx9lt/aWY11cI/W7imUa6iVPZQ=; b=QnaTW/l6hZLixo26flxn2STOtbjBctbGnYQCpUC5H6PlD+Q/sFQXYoJLkX5L6E+pbM A5vej+5/VBY835oztD0IQQL/s3uUIVVGKL/nsJ8x1W0lJXbC6wWsTbPSKeGLNegdsMcR mUE0NMdVgit0aZHFvsMQqfVefiXJ8v2vGmFxuH4lCCR4xoXTNCeRMeuICMDSRxJgqCHx RhCGk29pdm/lV8FL1Z90NMuMf/cwWYpR8LOa/+IJ7acUmDBQhiFil5CNqTnCeXKvwM8g psYzkNmCU9b7K1u8zgmd5rTisDgtmeSrRy/N7pihRzJE0S5sNRUAH+wKKpPFZCNtpQ2G xQ8w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 15:36:53 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: OT - FS: Music Gear (Updated) From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <6qJw4C.A.zJG.GEL1PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 14:36:54 +0000 (UTC) Boss Chromatic Tuner TU-2 - Good condition - =A350 ONO http://www.studiospares.com/guitar-accessories/boss-tu-3-chromatic-floor-tu= ner/invt/309070/?source=3D215_74 Behringer FCB 1010 + Kettle & MIDI Lead - Good condition - =A370 ONO http://www.dv247.com/computer-hardware/behringer-fcb1010-midi-foot-controll= er-with-two-expression-pedals--6360 M AUDIO USB MIDISPORT 2 x 2 - Good condition - =A340 ONO http://www.gak.co.uk/en/m-audio-midisport-2x2/4112 Line 6 DL4 - Mint condition, good working order - =A3150 ONO http://www.gak.co.uk/en/line-6-dl-4/23465 MISC. iPhone 3G - 8GB - Good condition - =A3100 ONO iPod Nano (3rd Gen) - 8GB - Mint condition- =A350 ONO Private message me if you're interested in any of the items From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 14:37:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 956B5183465; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 14:37:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=+YIVQK2OChfQ3EzG65V5VO8bIHrGslDp1jXVeI5e5vY=; b=VUmpg6WtZiQ3ItVRwuBfkUQmaS8jgHt4rvHBfQxnO6f2eYM63SysJ7k9yglLLrqpER cJglhAkJy36wkVo5h3E3pGdLOU108AvIJDoUDAeQw6NfEYVZaWurwO/EffVqthwPKmYq H1gwggcLCoNVEOlfQPB+Ly2JAH40e8LWtR6KSCSnUF2GzaUqFeSbWbSZ+mAS1voDNJi9 7DENKqCASKxZmoqaueP3d28va+Guoos8J9NKH50CAStnQ0q9qRTrWRbxjcgFS+xhT4i0 at11YPagoz1lWKiPBSG0oTasLr9y4LVywvXP3QJTjzeUUCXQO0zK/RfD/rsZ8T7w4vAJ GuiQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4FD2C70B.60408@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 16:37:15 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: vocabulary guide to live looping? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 14:37:16 +0000 (UTC) Yes I remember that post but I don't remember the subject/topic to search it out for you. But anyone should feel free to post a question to the list in case running into an unfamiliar term. Doing so adds great spill-off value for lurking members too! :-) Maybe even better than having a centralized "word book"? Per On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Ed Durbrow wrote: > Do I remember someone posting a vocabulary guide to live looping? I am very > unsure of many of the terms used. > TIA > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > If you're writing software, can't you just create a new function to > fit the bill? For example like Jeff didi in Mobius with the Instant > Multiply/Divide function. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 14:44:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02AFC183464; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 14:44:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=VoNZYSrUV99k/TUDlc3zJA29DT1tz0P+82Co9sxXutU=; b=Oyw6YdmnarycAhtIIpicgROeOtO+8ehZPmwX4eje8jMgWN3LzGgEypofDJWcT2lHeu CkgSurcUdi4bwbSeUVGfPr4ihUk2tnBOy9UsXe7gzOyLV4Uk2lGu0/ufGNh6rYBT3BzK hiPgtSiazlmwYX33MosRryTNvONVJ9WvDna4EhtbqS58RwPT/5kCdyFY/+dKTDMllrQX 6xv7CJ/yjmDXncaok6GCoHF7lXSunBi99NHrohI2SZMLe3wkIjypRwPqPs4YP7xpqPaS MU43XYMCl7EQGSkJe+XRTFZ6vxbVS4dDf5OrUpgs9Unee7z8k2sRT1kaRMYzsAb7MlTO saZQ== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Subject: Re: EDP beatsync and brothersync From: philip In-Reply-To: <4FD4A7F8.9010708@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 23:43:21 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <18529826-7CEC-463E-A20C-47C7D871B596@gmail.com> References: <4FD4A7F8.9010708@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 14:44:08 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Andy, So if I understand this correctly, I can send a beat from the 808 to two = EDPs, I can control them separately but they will be in sync with the = 808? Without having all of the gear in one place, I'm trying to figure this = out in my mind first--if I have the EDP beatsync receiving the signal = from lets say the cowbell on the 808, should I have it set for one beat = per measure, four, 16? Is there any setting that works better than = others? On Jun 10, 2012, at 10:58 PM, andy butler wrote: > Hi Philip >=20 > Brother Sync works when Sync=3DIn > (it's not in the manual, but that is the case). >=20 > What I don't think will work is feeding BeatSync to one EDP > and then hoping the other EDP will follow by Brothersync. >=20 > In fact, it definitely won't work for Stereo, because if it did work = you'd > have to record on the master EDP first before recording the slave = loop. >=20 > You need to feed the Beat sync signal to both EDPs, > in which case there's no problem if they're Brother Synced. >=20 > andy >=20 >=20 > philip meyers wrote: >> I'm not exactly clear from the manual whether it is possible to use = beatsync and brother sync at the same time. >> I'm thinking of taking one of the individual outs from an 808 into = the beatsync jack and using that EDP as the master for a pair of EDPs = (brothersync'd in stereo) >> I only have access to one working EDP right now, so I can't test this = at home. Thanks! >> Philip >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 14:50:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1241183461; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 14:50:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 771435499/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.21.67/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.21.67 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAMSy1E9YbRVD/2dsb2JhbAANN7d5AQEBAgI4QBELDQsJFg8JAwIBAgFFHAGIErc8iyeCToMbA5peNYxn X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,384,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="771435499" Message-ID: <4FD4B444.1070509@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 15:50:44 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: vocabulary guide to live looping? References: <4FD2C70B.60408@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 14:50:40 +0000 (UTC) Ed, just post a list of words you want translated. ..but don't expect consistent answers ;-) Alternatively http://www.gibson.com/files/amps/EchoplexPlusManual12.pdf andy Ed Durbrow wrote: > Do I remember someone posting a vocabulary guide to live looping? I am > very unsure of many of the terms used. > TIA > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> If you're writing software, can't you just create a new function to >> fit the bill? For example like Jeff didi in Mobius with the Instant >> Multiply/Divide function. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 14:53:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E6F5183474; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 14:53:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Subject: Re: STRATEGIES for REHARMONIZATION in LIVE LOOP COMPOSITION From: Ed Durbrow In-Reply-To: <4FD3D05D.80205@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 23:53:41 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4A3B657E-191E-42E6-81CA-4C680A801289@sea.plala.or.jp> References: <4FD3D05D.80205@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa02b; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 23:53:41 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 14:53:44 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 10, 2012, at 7:38 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > Thanks for taking so much time to explain, Ed. > There's a lot to explore from all the things you = mentioned......=85thanks! And all the other posts. Really lots of fun stuff to play around with = for new ideas. > I am confused and have a quick question about this, particular = sentence, though. > Take the circle of fifths for example, by moving tritones = chromatically up or down, you alternate between the 7th and 3rd of one = chord and the 3rd and 7th of the next chord, ad infinitum. > I understand what the circle of fifths, the interval a tritone is and = I understand the concept of moving chromatically, > but I don't understand what you mean when you say to move tritones = chromatically in the circle of fifths. Just to be clear, I'm using "chromatically" to mean a chromatic scale. = I'll use a descending chromatic movement int the following example. This = works so wonderfully on guitar. Say you have a circle of fifths starting = with C7 F7 Bb Eb etc. The third and seventh of the C7 chord are the = notes E and Bb. Moving those two notes down a half step gives you Eb and = A which are the seventh and third of F7. Moving those two down a half = step gives you D and Ab which are the third and seventh of Bb. Moving = those to down gives you Db and G which are the seventh and third of Eb7. = And on and on all the way around the circle.=20 It is interesting and clever in itself but not overwhelmingly musical. = But as a guide or principle for soloing or orchestrating, it becomes = more useful. For example, playing a guitar solo, one could emphasize the = chord changes by playing either the third or seventh (or both together) = and moving it down a step right as the chord changes, like in a blues = when it goes from I to IV. You could play any variety of notes before or = after and get as far out as you want and then bring it back to earth = right at the chord change by playing 2 notes or 2 pairs of descending = notes.=20 Hope this makes sense. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 15:38:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F6A3183463; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 15:38:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <4FD3D05D.80205@cruzio.com> <4A3B657E-191E-42E6-81CA-4C680A801289@sea.plala.or.jp> In-Reply-To: <4A3B657E-191E-42E6-81CA-4C680A801289@sea.plala.or.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: STRATEGIES for REHARMONIZATION in LIVE LOOP COMPOSITION Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 08:38:48 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 15:38:53 +0000 (UTC) For very traditional harmony, the textbooks I used way back when were: The Theory and Practice of Tone-Relations by Percy Goetschius and Counterpoint by Kent Wheeler Kennan The trick to getting "adventurous" harmonies for me was that I wasn't good e= nough as a keyboard player to really play through my work on the exercises a= nd so I treated it more as a puzzle or a mathematical exercise. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 17:51:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83A89183463; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:51:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 783738838/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.21.67/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.21.67 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBADje1E9YbRVD/2dsb2JhbAANN7d5AQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBvyuNdYMbA5pejRw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,385,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="783738838" Message-ID: <4FD4DEC4.9000707@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:52:04 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP beatsync and brothersync References: <4FD4A7F8.9010708@tiscali.co.uk> <18529826-7CEC-463E-A20C-47C7D871B596@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <18529826-7CEC-463E-A20C-47C7D871B596@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:51:49 +0000 (UTC) hi Philip, ok, I have my EDP2 synced to my EDP1 by BeatSync as a try out. EDP1 is sending out a pulse at the start of each cycle SYNC= OUT and EDP2 is getting the loop length by measuring the length between pulses SYNC= IN Now, put them both to SYNC=IN and they'll both track the drum machine. So, it's one beat per measure...that's the answer. ..but say you did 4 beats per measure you could still stay in sync, if you had a 4 cycle loop. (or a synced polyrhythm if you wanted) I don't know how tight the sync is going to be using the drum machine sound, syncing to the pulse is pretty tight. andy philip wrote: > Thanks Andy, > > So if I understand this correctly, I can send a beat from the 808 to two EDPs, I can control them separately but they will be in sync with the 808? > > Without having all of the gear in one place, I'm trying to figure this out in my mind first--if I have the EDP beatsync receiving the signal from lets say the cowbell on the 808, should I have it set for one beat per measure, four, 16? Is there any setting that works better than others? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 18:57:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECEB1183461; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:57:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pblUgapNrkhuAi/sr9CGBh34e+ImbVipH5OM7j4rt/I=; b=e4+eGzF8Sa3xZeDyoawDZu2Z6Wzg478D7p4n/P0g+Hk5DlMwYXeuaFJEWHU4lWTU6l MonIGE6aIVigAYt7f0wLWEwb8DqNys8sKLDHnkKIRsy+LvV/B2W/BBqLR6+b9HV1Ru5A gI5yCV8BMT44ItQ/maAjtqQWPAQvjwI6TPeJqqOhkbl+zGWb3JphPq2t0MRsxRfUc8vl oJUIpeZgmTdVh+mlMg0ZvwI0xxBLCqzdQG5zO3w801zcWmOWa9r1SzCphblX5Pe/cMmg 4qqztCTma7rq4sgXo+TMXJV2jtzZxw5g2ZTRO418Gs1cD6OFNf02KRs2U8byxvrqN86T Wj0Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FD49E03.4060203@tiscali.co.uk> References: <002301cd46fc$fd0887b0$f7199710$@de> <4FD49E03.4060203@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:57:24 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sonuus anyone? From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:57:24 +0000 (UTC) I'm using the Sonuus G2 with Bidule =97 and I'm using an audio-to-MIDI module, so I'm taking the audio portion from the G2 and converting it into MIDI to drive things like the Alchemy AU inside Bidule. It works just fine. I've used the MIDI-side of the G2 to drive external MIDI instead. I've NOT tried the Bidule-inside-Bidule, but probably will now that Andy's mentioned it! Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 7:15 AM, andy butler wrote= : > Hi Michael, > Bidule only permits one audio interface. > > Not sure, but if you get hold of the Bidule version that works > as a vst plugin, and host Bidule within Bidule I think you can workaround= . > (i.e. the Bidule within Bidule just exists to hook up to the i2M) > > Incidently, my feedback was for the Sonuus G2, not the i2M, > > Another thing to try is that I remember someone did a Bidule group > to convert pitch to midi. It's on the Bidule forum somewhere. > > > Hi Per, > afaik Midi pitch bend is essential for really good tracking. > Sometimes the note picked is out by a semitone, and an immediate Pitch be= nd > compensates. > ..well it happens with the fast tracking Axon like that. > > > andy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 19:19:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CEF5183460; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 19:19:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KwbIX+Zk7fjK/v6iIiGf/igUp3Ivpm7IzGrbMrvH/JY=; b=ssJc6VTNh8+SL8hMZXIk6lEsKzBq2DbBpjX2/aVJnj8zswf7aEzcUlfgiasguhY9jj 5yge5HcC5meIJ9yOMGClKnAXyXQuZttP0WbGGjPpvK2HN6VXk4F73a1iTQRQwQgm7DN2 rcyo3/QPsp2yqduj5SrlEYJrrqxRK5TpX/+4ShsLUNQyUyhNLeKPLg55jQQUnlUxl97y Clg/ENJVaj84/yuu0EPENXMnss2Blgi/+kBdAZnH7js08Lw//90reSL8j4RSWAQ/l8pN P3XYojakifueowfNPQvD+fSuf+0PaG5sZBKEJRyxamgi6+DZ7fDhrXwK/EmZLeIjoKXO af5w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <002301cd46fc$fd0887b0$f7199710$@de> <4FD49E03.4060203@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:19:17 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sonuus anyone? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 19:19:18 +0000 (UTC) I have not tried the Bidule plugin inside the Bidule host, as Andy mentioned, but I have tried very much to use the Bidule plugin inside the other two hosts Ableton Live and Mainstage. But every such project has finally crashed the host. My reason for doing that was to set up an input envelope following function that controls the feedback of a reverb/delay to automatically freeze the last audio until you play another note. So it might be the Envelope Follow group of Bidule that causes the crashing, can't tell. And I won't research it more since I have found a better way to incorporate freeze reverb that is based on manual tweaking by expression pedals rather than the automatic envelope follow group in Bidule. OT: BTW I found good envelope follow Max for Live objects, if someone is interested. And in Mainstage I found that a plain Logic/Mainstage compressor plugin side-chained by the audio input amplitude does a similar job in preventing the sound to get too muddy (lowering reverb/delay/loops when you play a note and fading it back into the mix when you shut up). Per On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Dennis Moser wro= te: > I'm using the Sonuus G2 with Bidule =E2=80=94 and I'm using an audio-to-M= IDI > module, so I'm taking the audio portion from the G2 and converting it > into MIDI to drive things like the Alchemy AU inside Bidule. > > It works just fine. I've used the MIDI-side of the G2 to drive > external MIDI instead. > > I've NOT tried the Bidule-inside-Bidule, but probably will now that > Andy's mentioned it! > > Best, > > Dennis > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 7:15 AM, andy butler wro= te: >> Hi Michael, >> Bidule only permits one audio interface. >> >> Not sure, but if you get hold of the Bidule version that works >> as a vst plugin, and host Bidule within Bidule I think you can workaroun= d. >> (i.e. the Bidule within Bidule just exists to hook up to the i2M) >> >> Incidently, my feedback was for the Sonuus G2, not the i2M, >> >> Another thing to try is that I remember someone did a Bidule group >> to convert pitch to midi. It's on the Bidule forum somewhere. >> >> >> Hi Per, >> afaik Midi pitch bend is essential for really good tracking. >> Sometimes the note picked is out by a semitone, and an immediate Pitch b= end >> compensates. >> ..well it happens with the fast tracking Axon like that. >> >> >> andy >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 19:24:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A363D183462; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 19:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BcbpXTSQr+iva24kBioCBx0df58pp4dDXzxFh73QayA=; b=T8NStSO97kTlxAUrJoNS610OrBMbQHK8DXKvg9aMoFHSA35T9f0SBecwHFSx/QlL/g M9gWVkHP2xEdz+cchv2P+LclwF300IvU91MACwbHgwRuUP1Dy/N6IlIC0x3xFWEh3UeR IvsJE0xlmUiMDJxYElm/KUvGLHQTk0PVXmG5dGiUYwor3RNxWPLdHvdaDBkum3DvDLm8 NR/D4lsuCfvUPitXIFdLKcyyPefrSxPzHOEVVtBp6gYoMsZaYIsIiV7GSSn6PHOeFIN/ +R0VUSauskn0oQG/L351zMC/e7o2Clm/gM69x34JEM8MZjU5M8+pRa/xT8GftyKwgb6f gAFw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <18529826-7CEC-463E-A20C-47C7D871B596@gmail.com> References: <4FD4A7F8.9010708@tiscali.co.uk> <18529826-7CEC-463E-A20C-47C7D871B596@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:24:50 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: EDP beatsync and brothersync From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 19:24:51 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 4:43 PM, philip wrote: > So if I understand this correctly, I can send a beat from the 808 to two = EDPs, I can control them separately but they will be in sync with the 808? I think "following tempo" is a better term since "sync" may also include transport functions and that is not part of the beat sync. > Without having all of the gear in one place, I'm trying to figure this ou= t in my mind first--if I have the EDP beatsync receiving the signal from le= ts say the cowbell on the 808, should I have it set for one beat per measur= e, four, 16? Is there any setting that works better than others? When used the beat pulse to make the EDP follow a multitrack recorder I first recorded the pulse out of the EDP onto one channel of the recorder. At the next stage I set the EDP to follow this recorded beat pulse and it worked flawlessly! Therefore I suggest that you listen to the EDP's beat pulse output and then use whatever sound and time division on the 808 that sounds mostly like that. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 19:44:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 105D9183465; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 19:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=S6KoxNI+fejWsfgTdOKunLcjKwndXjoId1TKOELV1Bw=; b=auuFu4zS+u33369mJ9htJ4bJicxOW9eMRHLk/b0cmjrvpKKKVY+BSu6qYrn2pHd8FX 4zvtDEByqNKGc2t9sJYRjQmkU493VlyE5sJ68/kDXn1/bhUTTtDcVYcSemeh6rHai0lO woiaS887upuzrKKenJQ9pWibA9xjkW+gKVsJ8h4ivG9vDRRNwvsEO4WTNp9VUd7MIfvQ oWFbSk1roswhb/dtF7gR7WzMVdN7zsw/AW7QHb62zngeDkJq6iBnBKbEWfnij3UEeZQC 5zw56DkfPgkH/pbeLKNJpyBLBGrblmFMPU0N3ZpAznlub0aTOtqmX6uh8L4DoMl/TNfF 9yCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FD4B444.1070509@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4FD2C70B.60408@googlemail.com> <4FD4B444.1070509@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:44:04 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: vocabulary guide to live looping? From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6dd8ecab21da204c22374a3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 19:44:05 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6dd8ecab21da204c22374a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I posted one not too long ago if thats the one you are talking about. On Jun 10, 2012 7:50 AM, "andy butler" wrote: > Ed, > just post a list of words you want translated. > > ..but don't expect consistent answers ;-) > > Alternatively > > http://www.gibson.com/files/**amps/EchoplexPlusManual12.pdf > > andy > > Ed Durbrow wrote: > >> Do I remember someone posting a vocabulary guide to live looping? I am >> very unsure of many of the terms used. >> TIA >> >> On Jun 9, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> If you're writing software, can't you just create a new function to >>> fit the bill? For example like Jeff didi in Mobius with the Instant >>> Multiply/Divide function. >>> >> >> > --0016e6dd8ecab21da204c22374a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I posted one not too long ago if thats the one you are talking about.

On Jun 10, 2012 7:50 AM, "andy butler"= <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk&g= t; wrote:
Ed,
just post a list of words you want translated.

..but don't expect consistent answers ;-)

Alternatively

http://www.gibson.com/files/amps/EchoplexPlusManual12.p= df

andy

Ed Durbrow wrote:
Do I remember someone posting a vocabulary guide to live looping? I am very= unsure of many of the terms used.
TIA

On Jun 9, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

If you're writing software, can't you just create a new function to=
fit the bill? For example like Jeff didi in Mobius with the Instant
Multiply/Divide function.


--0016e6dd8ecab21da204c22374a3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 19:44:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84D0718345B; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 19:44:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 779958437/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.21.67/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.21.67 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAE/41E9YbRVD/2dsb2JhbAANOIVVsiMBAQEDASMVQAYLCxgCAgUWCwICCQMCAQIBDzYZAwGHeQMGpVeIDA2JToEjiSNhgk6CCYESA5pehT6HXg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,385,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="779958437" Message-ID: <4FD4F949.8020600@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 20:45:13 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP beatsync and brothersync References: <4FD4A7F8.9010708@tiscali.co.uk> <18529826-7CEC-463E-A20C-47C7D871B596@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 19:44:58 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 4:43 PM, philip wrote: >> So if I understand this correctly, I can send a beat from the 808 to two EDPs, I can control them separately but they will be in sync with the 808? > > I think "following tempo" is a better term since "sync" may also > include transport functions and that is not part of the beat sync. interesting distinction, though we've been using the term sync for years so I don't suppose that will change. With Matthias, I called it "Hard Sync" because as well as getting the tempo there's also adjustments at the loop point. ...but then he's probably forgot ;-) so it's just my affectation. (just working out the right loop length is never enough on it's own) > Therefore I suggest that you listen to > the EDP's beat pulse output and then use whatever sound and time > division on the 808 that sounds mostly like that. Matt says the edp will sync to an audio track with a strong beat, as long as level is set well. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 19:51:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8690918345B; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 19:51:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=j16OA+TkCmusccQDr491WlOlDnW5RaQS8c/yFvKUc/k=; b=jUsGLxWUdrhgXw5MVCfAN3EGi62EncIToHTeEF7HBCOEovrxeaigBKfzUwt+Si/5Hp cWtMKgkFVhi6/2WJVTj2lOsAm1RsoWAqSYttdjx4BcfgaWXB/M3wMqGSQxxioYqP9gzh GNzauVxe0WCEddnniwu18gCdNfOkLF5LwCE9mE6OnizbXboXyDu5rtHVScLITBK08xQ1 QS3jmdopxUDwQM7Q2/ImM/i13xT0jkfenN/booQjqqx/HzbEkd3A6Z0Y/hwWeSwuIZeM SnoqOtdxcehKtXshRUXe9CecFcngiCaxOo5rAGOvKfufHfcPM9tf1bgW1t24v2hTB9I+ m3zA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FD4F949.8020600@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4FD4A7F8.9010708@tiscali.co.uk> <18529826-7CEC-463E-A20C-47C7D871B596@gmail.com> <4FD4F949.8020600@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:51:45 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: EDP beatsync and brothersync From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 19:51:46 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 9:45 PM, andy butler wrote: > >> Therefore I suggest that you listen to >> the EDP's beat pulse output and then use whatever sound and time >> division on the 808 that sounds mostly like that. > > > Matt says the edp will sync to an audio track with a strong beat, > as long as level is set well. Now that is interesting, Andy! It means you can actually sync up an EDP to a DJ booth if running the DJ mixer through a band cut filter and into the EDP beat input (with the right EQ setting of course). When Matthias played with me here in Sweden back in 2003 we talked a lot about collaborating live (as EDP musicians) with DJ's but I can't recall this EDP Beat Sync aspect was mentioned. Great design! :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 20:17:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3706618345E; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 20:17:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=BBtCTJSH9h/5UK94IEaiacfVSonItRwXdCUTcRrgHvo=; b=ItQAXGT5hqHnMBcLJciqO/TwjEsNSQPvo26P+xGrrsHows3mdnUSnQ3xuWjn1dCopu iangcNDEkXsNlLucFtEkBIyfwDl+TZsaGtzWz/ABuYjIlJtkX5Dwl6O5wxjshaJn6Vv6 G1QQ7uONMoMj4d99FRkldZFQsv3D9Wgq1S7nb85w8ZY3QQbiPIexAPeBBLhT4eLd5kw3 ndgYnqZkynpZkFtVXF1tmVv3q9Xtyj7l7d588GPzxyo8xlCRZQJ0YXmpxsRZT8zPhLWS ijsdrMpGi8OVz2Ob4BuJCArFRQxfL/6DKOdUcxqT5RX0v+f2bKKoreCqeOGaOXM/Lky9 QojQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4FD4A7F8.9010708@tiscali.co.uk> <18529826-7CEC-463E-A20C-47C7D871B596@gmail.com> <4FD4F949.8020600@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 22:17:11 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: DlIblWMvaJo2U3Eg9WFi_-c-OkI Message-ID: Subject: Re: EDP beatsync and brothersync To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec521591f554ba104c223ecff Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 20:17:33 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec521591f554ba104c223ecff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 WOW??? Is that true.. That I have to try! I have never believed that audio sync would work too, well (the Repeater doesnt) But haveing got used to using the audio sync on the Korg Kaos Quad, I thought Id try the Korg Electribe at listening to a beat from EDP and seeing how it managed... Amazing.. so very cool, I even could drop the EDP Half Speed, and the Korg would follow, (no didnt go half speed) but worked... Ive discovered that the cool thing about risking the total disaster that Audio sync could be is that you can (via tap tempo) get yer drum machines to play at odd division and speeds. Ive discovered that I actually LIKE many of the built in Electribe House patterns IF they are played at about 60 bpm... So The EDP will do it too... velly interesting indeed.. M On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 9:45 PM, andy butler > wrote: > > > > > Matt says the edp will sync to an audio track with a strong beat, > > as long as level is set well. > > > Now that is interesting, Andy! > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --bcaec521591f554ba104c223ecff Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WOW??? Is that true.. That I have to try!
I have never believed that aud= io sync would work too, well (the Repeater doesnt) But haveing got used to = using the audio sync on the Korg Kaos Quad, I thought Id try the Korg Elect= ribe at listening to a beat from EDP and seeing how it managed... Amazing..= so very cool, I even could drop the EDP Half Speed, and the Korg would fol= low, (no didnt go half speed) but worked...

Ive discovered that the cool thing about risking the total disaster tha= t Audio sync could be is that you can (via tap tempo) get yer drum machines= to play at odd division and speeds.
Ive discovered that I actually LIK= E many of the built in Electribe House patterns IF they are played at about= 60 bpm...

So The EDP will do it too... velly interesting indeed..

M



On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Pe= r Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 9:= 45 PM, andy butler <akbutler@t= iscali.co.uk> wrote:
>

> Matt says the edp will sync to an audio track with a strong beat,
> as long as level is set well.


Now that is interesting, Andy!

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen




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= Mark Francombe
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www.ordoabkhao.com
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http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
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--bcaec521591f554ba104c223ecff-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 21:03:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1364218345B; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:03:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=DsuPuLufEQy6rFrydS+cyqONcHN7JaCzGkY87J0I6YQ=; b=W+q7avR1f0Vx+K6rl0VtXq2vnfUyEPcpx7D2mmCBwrzCqBVXx3+0irUgSyVcxmjRA4 lQOZo1Z6SwubjotWgpPOmr0N2A6VxM1oLoJ7Dp3wrjaq0xp+Jah1WwJrKTfzaYKUFrD9 30DvWaRyD7fq1QGOlJFIqE/nbxpMNSeB6MW5elT/+UsyVom8xxTTo7WX70APZ79nLGn0 S/1o5gEtnmGV5Q8IOVA9LXHTV0BQ9MbXxmLrNKyUiHYIbq97WDGMl9xocLkfhxG8Wx6/ CO3llgB96U6BRjIDU4l7fmreNcrxEXKVQ3lnqPegxWsSuFEILyXNO5wNQqpfu7bnUuYI KknA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 22:03:54 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Looping on CDM From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:03:55 +0000 (UTC) http://createdigitalmusic.com/2012/06/weekend-listening-kishi-bashi-shows-the-simple-elegant-art-of-looping/ Ricky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 21:07:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3340183462; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:07:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=wFtZjk4AZ+rVSwNsC7NpkNh4G4RvEHq4OFXrCYMuQlc=; b=a0vT748L/8L23qhbbAfZtni5lDcAIw28+LyIe/mtQj+MxaYt1QatUCS5PspWptIAUa EnoP5IPdH4tyhGcwAr+JbKYRtKUMXeciweOI1y4skjTq0aS6hLr/2INUZE3qqZvAxP/g n20zZg2rt2MJjUZawxk993PQf5v453LuBh/UWnwIE0qcl4rVJ0TmD+x1R274MzCUzinB ScLk+ClFJjC7RVX/XQOR/tG4SpEeG4pad6jZNGUQyOrfwocUjqdSAWxKrXhS/d1pV25k Wf/3cuy3UxR0zBhhzqpC9K3g5DvIh37/MQwqY290JqF0aD9YQoTjqaJ8Q+n2cTGdKjHF v6RA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 14:07:19 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Roland Street Cube From: Lindsey Walker To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae934098f73f50d04c2249ee3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:07:20 +0000 (UTC) --14dae934098f73f50d04c2249ee3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey, has anyone used the Roland Street Cube for live looping? What was your experience? I want to use it for vocals. Lindsey --14dae934098f73f50d04c2249ee3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey, has anyone used the Roland Street Cube for live looping?=A0 What wa= s your experience?=A0 I want to use it for vocals.

Lindsey

--14dae934098f73f50d04c2249ee3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 21:29:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED796183463; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:29:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 302 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:29:30 UTC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Looping on CDM From: Matteo Giudici In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 23:24:26 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <90A3FCBB-1C86-4B0D-A241-981EC272F696@alice.it> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <1eRuk.A.yV.6GR1PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:29:30 +0000 (UTC) Amazing! Thank you Ricky. Il giorno 10/giu/2012, alle ore 23.03, Ricky Graham ha scritto: > = http://createdigitalmusic.com/2012/06/weekend-listening-kishi-bashi-shows-= the-simple-elegant-art-of-looping/ >=20 > Ricky >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 23:46:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 637CF183464; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 23:46:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=IT20j0Z9Bp4MhmvSXfthXoib9PdAR22oKrL3Gi01j9o=; b=bhUTzX+Z16Q+n5bQrKnjE1d2GQOAJZxQ++uVQ4v0O2fs0I1xkG84qDYCicX7OSAOcj xEv/IsBcHOCuWAa18MNw/RFafvQdhiB9cFURAPU7P7fHMn4Edh/UMAJs8ESE1FzsiF41 VxkCySxKF9nL3tRI2+R2Dl6LVmETQ07+YixflogRKHtJcxc+qEUoikSTrrqYitdttRpA gfdkcFL0J1Kx4GSsqnKaH5G5tHy+lh8bDFOeZfBm2uKuM1aNs9qM7pOaHbaZTU3mnf4i +D2vNZSgg/50U4gEOsjzCWMD0wUMszXkdebCjSYMBgJ6nSyN6+lN81A2T8d0IYB6zwUQ y0Bg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 01:46:03 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looping on CDM From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <4JIL_B.A.NuB.8GT1PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 23:46:04 +0000 (UTC) Nice flow! Enjoyed. Cool that he sings so much. Per On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 11:03 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > http://createdigitalmusic.com/2012/06/weekend-listening-kishi-bashi-shows-the-simple-elegant-art-of-looping/ > > Ricky > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 23:59:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18D4C183463; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 23:59:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IO9ROrwet0YkUPB3/ou+c9Tocst9Gr3qnPrNPQfSVEI=; b=mnCFMcpJ99ZHKY5bHbP5zuiTV3o6M96eldbj214MxP0TsFLC8lNs1XIWEhv4j2BYpx jNUPiAwERUYR+/TTD2WPHQvag5ha7CUWTZSd7C+vdj7EV56KwENvlkyVeSsARivTweJV k98WqYaHKsRXV1gBn2O637N2YTmZx1Pr4bXfWbQ3vvA9YvDj8y4pftc0afLe4SRCW/Gd V2UNP8218TnYjxNsFl1F8vthh0X+svjC+jA2fhsDYrFg233Bx1wveagOT/WNtS7suQhp NeoWD+zRX5RjUP4fiJ2SA+9aP9ZHbJx+lgHSCB5SFnruDI8ik44kPqUeXfmbgPPr2pMx 139A== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 01:59:29 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland Street Cube From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 23:59:30 +0000 (UTC) Hi Lindsey, I haven't used it but read a lot of reviews and chatted with fellow musicians that have the Street Cube. It is said that the Street's volume is powerful enough for busking, something that can't be said about the smaller Mobile Cube. For vocals it must be totally sufficient. I'm thinking about it because I play many instruments that include two outputs and the Street Cube kind of equals two cubes in one box, each channel having its own control knobs and effects. There are also two extra inputs besides the two instrument channels. I can't recall having heard about any effect send though - if there isn't one you may need to daisy-chain the looper with the mic before going into one of the amp channels. It would be very good for looping if the Street Cube offers a separate AUX output for one of the channels because then you could feed the looper from there (with the Street's effects included) and bring in the looper's output into the other Street channel with perhaps a different set of amp effects applied. Wow, that would be useful. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Lindsey Walker wrote: > Hey, has anyone used the Roland Street Cube for live looping?=C2=A0 What = was your > experience?=C2=A0 I want to use it for vocals. > > Lindsey From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 11 00:04:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05A6E183464; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 00:04:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FD535EC.4030300@theambientping.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 20:03:56 -0400 From: PiNG Reply-To: ping@theambientping.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091204 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , Dark Seeds , Drone Deep Chill , Loopers Delight , The Ambient Way Subject: 06.12.12 > The PiNG presents dreamSTATE + Odradek + General Chaos Visuals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020208.4FD535F3.0022,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 00:04:03 +0000 (UTC) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 06.12.12 . THE AMBiENT PiNG presents THE RETURN OF THE dreamSTATE DRONE CYCLE 2012 . Part Six . (G) featuring dreamSTATE with ODRADEK plus a set by ODRADEK + projections by GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS @ Supermarket . 268 Augusta Ave . Kensington Market just south of College . Map, info and directions at: http://www.supermarkettoronto.com/site/section/contact Tues. June 12th . Doors open at 8:00 . 1st set at 9:00 . $6 Voodoo TV will be broadcasting the PiNG LiVE this Tuesday night! Supermarket audio/video technician Johnny Trelawny has set up a live internet broadcast system VooDoo TV which will be streaming this Tuesday's AMBiENT PiNG event beginning at 9:00pm EST. Enjoy the ambient flow of audio and pixels. http://www.livestream.com/voodootv1 9:00 . dreamSTATE with ODRADEK . Many moons ago, ODRADEK and dreamSTATE found themselves squeezed onto a wee stage where they were transported off into a sonic and surreal space. Once back on terra firma they vowed to reconvene for a dreamRADEK flashback which they did once for a far out fun filled afternoon of sonic play at Sunspot Studios. This third encounter of dreamRADEK will happen in G as we reach the half way point of this year's Drone Cycle. 10:15 . ODRADEK . James Bailey, Michelangelo Iaffaldano and Andy Yue are back to improvise up a beautiful Odradek sonic storm. James coaxes sound treats from found sources, Michelangelo plucks, strums, bows and hammers on handmade devices and Andy gives an organic voice to an analog synth. The group took its name from a character in Franz Kafka’s story “The Cares of a Family Man” and their music sounds like the kind of thing a crevice-dwelling spool-like being might play. . GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS . Stephen Lindsey & Eric Siegerman will chaosedelicize the visual space, with light, shadow and fog. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . BETWEEN SETS . James Bailey, one of the hosts of the not forgotten Electric Storm / A Missing Sense radio show, which was last heard on CKLN, will tantalize our ears with "Nori Bean." This test recording is based on Terry Riley's Time Lag Accumulator and was made on two open reel tape recorders for the Killer Loops' (Odradek before they became Odradek) show for the Planet Of The Loops at the November 4th 2003 PiNG which featured James Bailey, Pessi Parviainen, Andrew Yue and Michelangelo Iaffaldano. You can see James cutting and splicing tape while working the tape machines if you check out the photo collage of the show from the PiNG archives: http://www.theambientping.com/events2003f.html#nov_4_2003 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . COMiNG SOON: . Tuesday July 10th 2012 . The RETURN of the dreamSTATE DRONE CYCLE . Part Seven . (F#) featuring dreamSTATE with Rob Hoare & Steven Sauvé plus a set by GEEK WEEKEND + projections by GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS @ Supermarket . 268 Augusta Ave . Kensington Market just south of College . Map, info and directions at: http://www.supermarkettoronto.com/site/section/contact PiNG doors open at 8 . 1st set at 9:00 . $6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . A new free release from the ping things net label! Listen to a streaming version of "Ghost House" by Lorne David Thomson here: http://www.pingthings.com/ . Lorne David Thomson "Ghost House" ping things is very pleased to release our good friend Lorne David Thomson's Ghost House. Those of you who have been following the ping things net label for a while will no doubt be familiar with Lorne's previous releases. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 11 00:47:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A9A0183462; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 00:47:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=svhbg1F0YN2Vop0B7o8kSr3FSoapO60P1r+ug1N/md0=; b=DMv3728b1R6LTB238YbnyYeF0Tf0LfE/vV0J7zzYE00JO861DY29OfbSX8fUDgbACG ILEsYD6CDKpSA/RxP9B8pNLVY1UncnJtisV7TxtY4PGjslZjNpxk/Z63jZiwWR5I8CJO azNvo2QyZSKr+Dv+hH1Nq5kmd+rjyiE0r3H3N6czqH2OEZl4F9Y+Rp9IBto1McvgAr+4 +VS06wmyA3iKfdWplSt4860frSW0bjevvC9vwmg66oIm9sWy/Xyhu4emlF6/w172WmNJ MKqBes+D5EmnbgcvoDuHot6y6XyfHtlYkYp16SqDYcjPnIu6smA029ti1lPdLs9SGUkr y6Ug== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:47:21 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland Street Cube From: Lindsey Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93405475166b204c227b1bc Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 00:47:22 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93405475166b204c227b1bc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cool idea, Per, especially for working with quiet, gossamer layers! Just looking at pictures, it has a headphone out which could work. Could that setup be run through a bigger pa, I wonder? Where could that be spliced in? Lindsey On Jun 10, 2012 4:59 PM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > > Hi Lindsey, > > I haven't used it but read a lot of reviews and chatted with fellow > musicians that have the Street Cube. It is said that the Street's > volume is powerful enough for busking, something that can't be said > about the smaller Mobile Cube. For vocals it must be totally > sufficient. I'm thinking about it because I play many instruments that > include two outputs and the Street Cube kind of equals two cubes in > one box, each channel having its own control knobs and effects. There > are also two extra inputs besides the two instrument channels. I can't > recall having heard about any effect send though - if there isn't one > you may need to daisy-chain the looper with the mic before going into > one of the amp channels. It would be very good for looping if the > Street Cube offers a separate AUX output for one of the channels > because then you could feed the looper from there (with the Street's > effects included) and bring in the looper's output into the other > Street channel with perhaps a different set of amp effects applied. > Wow, that would be useful. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Lindsey Walker > wrote: > > Hey, has anyone used the Roland Street Cube for live looping? What was your > > experience? I want to use it for vocals. > > > > Lindsey > --14dae93405475166b204c227b1bc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Cool idea, Per, especially for working with quiet, gossamer layers!

Just looking at pictures, it has a headphone out which could work.=A0 Co= uld that setup be run through a bigger pa, I wonder?=A0 Where could that be= spliced in?=A0

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On Jun 10, 2012 4:59 PM, "Per Boysen" <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Lindsey,
>
> I haven't used it but read a lot of reviews and chatted with fello= w
> musicians that have the Street Cube. It is said that the Street's<= br> > volume is powerful enough for busking, something that can't be sai= d
> about the smaller Mobile Cube. For vocals it must be totally
> sufficient. I'm thinking about it because I play many instruments = that
> include two outputs and the Street Cube kind of equals two cubes in > one box, each channel having its own control knobs and effects. There<= br> > are also two extra inputs besides the two instrument channels. I can&#= 39;t
> recall having heard about any effect send though - if there isn't = one
> you may need to daisy-chain the looper with the mic before going into<= br> > one of the amp channels. It would be very good for looping if the
> Street Cube offers a separate AUX output for one of the channels
> because then you could feed the looper from there (with the Street'= ;s
> effects included) and bring in the looper's output into the other<= br> > Street channel with perhaps a different set of amp effects applied. > Wow, that would be useful.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/pe= rboysen
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Lindsey Walker
> <lindsey.walker@gmail.c= om> wrote:
> > Hey, has anyone used the Roland Street Cube for live looping?=A0 = What was your
> > experience?=A0 I want to use it for vocals.
> >
> > Lindsey
>

--14dae93405475166b204c227b1bc-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 11 06:33:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A897183461; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 06:33:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 783875000/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.180.47/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.180.47 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsQEAIiQ1U9V0rQv/2dsb2JhbAANOIVXh1SlegQDhE8BAQEDASMVQAYLCxoCBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFBgEVAYgCpTmReoEjjluBEgOaXo0c X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,387,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="783875000" Message-ID: <4FD5915A.5070906@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 07:34:02 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP beatsync and brothersync References: <4FD4A7F8.9010708@tiscali.co.uk> <18529826-7CEC-463E-A20C-47C7D871B596@gmail.com> <4FD4F949.8020600@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 06:33:47 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > When Matthias played with me here in Sweden back in 2003 we talked a > lot about collaborating live (as EDP musicians) with DJ's but I can't > recall this EDP Beat Sync aspect was mentioned. Great design! :-) iirc Matt did actually do that. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 11 08:46:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64776183464; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 08:46:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:46:25 +0100 From: Philip Conway To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sonuus anyone? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <002301cd46fc$fd0887b0$f7199710$@de> <4FD49E03.4060203@tiscali.co.uk> Originator-Info: login-token=Mulberry:01/XueT23e1oH7ruS4PnLfA708qQ2yK22oEcE+qga3M3Cp/7L28Q8=; token_authority=mailto:postmaster@bristol.ac.uk X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 08:46:36 +0000 (UTC) The company Fishman supposedly have a new wireless midi guitar device coming out this year called the Triple Play. It's designed by the same guy that designed the Axon boxes. http://www.bestofnamm.com/products/view/tripleplay Apparently it's physically impossible to decrease the latency the Axons have simply because the string has to be vibrating for a certain period of time in order to produce enough information to determine pitch. However, the tracking is supposed to be better. And it's tiny! Philip. --On 10 June 2012 15:52 +0200 Per Boysen wrote: > On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 3:15 PM, andy butler > wrote: >> Hi Per, >> afaik Midi pitch bend is essential for really good tracking. >> Sometimes the note picked is out by a semitone, and an immediate Pitch >> bend compensates. >> ..well it happens with the fast tracking Axon like that. > > > The Axon is know for the fastest tracking. But I still chose to go > with synths that do not follow the guitar too close (i.e. pitch bend > turned off, synth working in chromatic mode). Not only for the > esthetic reason already mentioned (rather using synths *behind* string > sound to complement and enhance string sound) but also because I like > to apply an arpeggiator between the guitar/stick generated MIDI and > the synth. And I don't like the rapid arpeggio to follow pitch-bend in > a melody played over the arpeggio. > > Maybe this approach comes from beginning with "MIDI guitar" in the > late eighties when the Casio MG502 was introduced (still got mine!!!) > and the speed of triggering was very, very slow back then so only the > put-synth-pad-behind-string-sound application made any musical sense. > > I can say that from my recent experience with the GR-55 I actually > enjoy playing GR-55 synth sounds that follow pitchbend and use it more > to blend with the string sound into a unified sound (rather than as a > complement). But for me it never reaches the same playability and > expressiveness as the pure string sound (or as if using an EWI as the > hands-on instrument). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 11 09:30:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE11A18345E; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:30:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vWHYHJo5S97qe+Cpbu+WT6C7PD4zNBjpDDkFARvS+hQ=; b=oubrrOBYxXmbGvdw12l9TzwoBQc4oyM/F5MEA4ow/5el4lP93s8GOglOt8kGOAOcmy 1Jns/4gz5j53S3JPgqhpX/C5X2js4gruhNQn63x27Qq2lhRnktrnleQBiL+Go28Z0SjQ P9nyX9yfjgJ7enoJFtYm9p0QHIsewhG0GHCAyVtfziL17wQtmdckUNp0MtgbQQN0SgIl DjrOwut10C8uWhzdLP74/itG7MqOcWp2mNi1a82CpqxVQMVycgTMlU5WQo/pf9QMTMQQ RxwBpkGkmyWqaJgnHJ2MBNZpMfWqQ2ySRFr9E4e+ce4ZG7A9PVZ7dKnaqkeeRsBRamSN d51A== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:30:39 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland Street Cube From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:30:40 +0000 (UTC) Well I have not looked that close yet on the Street Cube, but as with all Roland products there is probably a good PDF manual to download somewhere on their web page. Running a headphones output into a PA may be a challenge because a normal headphones output is amplified to drive a pair of headphones and that is not compatible with a line or mic input of a mixer, stage-box or PA amp input. BTW, if you haven't already googled it, here's a good review: http://www.gearwire.com/roland-cubestreetportableamplifier-proreview.html Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:47 AM, Lindsey Walker wrote: > Cool idea, Per, especially for working with quiet, gossamer layers! > > Just looking at pictures, it has a headphone out which could work.=C2=A0 = Could > that setup be run through a bigger pa, I wonder?=C2=A0 Where could that b= e > spliced in? > > Lindsey > On Jun 10, 2012 4:59 PM, "Per Boysen" wrote: >> >> Hi Lindsey, >> >> I haven't used it but read a lot of reviews and chatted with fellow >> musicians that have the Street Cube. It is said that the Street's >> volume is powerful enough for busking, something that can't be said >> about the smaller Mobile Cube. For vocals it must be totally >> sufficient. I'm thinking about it because I play many instruments that >> include two outputs and the Street Cube kind of equals two cubes in >> one box, each channel having its own control knobs and effects. There >> are also two extra inputs besides the two instrument channels. I can't >> recall having heard about any effect send though - if there isn't one >> you may need to daisy-chain the looper with the mic before going into >> one of the amp channels. It would be very good for looping if the >> Street Cube offers a separate AUX output for one of the channels >> because then you could feed the looper from there (with the Street's >> effects included) and bring in the looper's output into the other >> Street channel with perhaps a different set of amp effects applied. >> Wow, that would be useful. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Lindsey Walker >> wrote: >> > Hey, has anyone used the Roland Street Cube for live looping?=C2=A0 Wh= at was >> > your >> > experience?=C2=A0 I want to use it for vocals. >> > >> > Lindsey >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 11 09:33:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1EAE183465; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:33:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=apY79RSHZKutgpVjhlZLmhw3fkfgBBvSUxPTF461SYA=; b=zTKJ8kNrZqSmmcun78paIsV4guUgWfmxWg4G2TTvHvD2w+E3xR7xH7Wgw5VgfUW7O6 wyNeLsCknIYIfDtDBkaohm82aj1Jn61B+FOEOCEcLkPlknHqm+5j2no/P2sR9GYHh1L7 jTEpE7hz884rgCTSk9l6P+3AChiNvJQqKiqTuVqo710n/mCPWkC309lh2piHWttwOLSG fwPlP3G1IIQRg8UvXKvSjGkPY7oDvzTJ/jbBeN0ZYUL6E1shvJMUlMvGBh9cQPjd4+Bu xyszdKgLnL+R3a49Y+coQyRHwU/9su26L6dUhbB0YOTaVPbqdH+buQZQ9me/KaimG0Ht s3nw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <002301cd46fc$fd0887b0$f7199710$@de> <4FD49E03.4060203@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:33:31 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sonuus anyone? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:33:32 +0000 (UTC) Yes, I have seen some demonstation videos of the Triple Play, used with a guitar. Seems interesting. Has very fast triggering and wireless. Does it ship yet? I have not been able to find any price information. Per On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Philip Conway wrote: > The company Fishman supposedly have a new wireless midi guitar device com= ing > out this year called the Triple Play. =C2=A0It's designed by the same guy= that > designed the Axon boxes. > > http://www.bestofnamm.com/products/view/tripleplay > > Apparently it's physically impossible to decrease the latency the Axons h= ave > simply because the string has to be vibrating for a certain period of tim= e > in order to produce enough information to determine pitch. =C2=A0However,= the > tracking is supposed to be better. =C2=A0And it's tiny! > > > > Philip. > > --On 10 June 2012 15:52 +0200 Per Boysen wrote: > >> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 3:15 PM, andy butler >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Per, >>> afaik Midi pitch bend is essential for really good tracking. >>> Sometimes the note picked is out by a semitone, and an immediate Pitch >>> bend compensates. >>> ..well it happens with the fast tracking Axon like that. >> >> >> >> The Axon is know for the fastest tracking. But I still chose to go >> with synths that do not follow the guitar too close (i.e. pitch bend >> turned off, synth working in chromatic mode). Not only for the >> esthetic reason already mentioned (rather using synths *behind* string >> sound to complement and enhance string sound) but also because I like >> to apply an arpeggiator between the guitar/stick generated MIDI and >> the synth. And I don't like the rapid arpeggio to follow pitch-bend in >> a melody played over the arpeggio. >> >> Maybe this approach comes from beginning with "MIDI guitar" in the >> late eighties when the Casio MG502 was introduced (still got mine!!!) >> and the speed of triggering was very, very slow back then so only the >> put-synth-pad-behind-string-sound application made any musical sense. >> >> I can say that from my recent experience with the GR-55 I actually >> enjoy playing GR-55 synth sounds that follow pitchbend and use it more >> to blend with the string sound into a unified sound (rather than as a >> complement). But for me it never reaches the same playability and >> expressiveness as the pure string sound (or as if using an EWI as the >> hands-on instrument). >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 11 09:38:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0664A183463; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:38:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 10:38:48 +0100 From: Philip Conway To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sonuus anyone? Message-ID: <466545C6F3D44CE3DE98176F@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <002301cd46fc$fd0887b0$f7199710$@de> <4FD49E03.4060203@tiscali.co.uk> Originator-Info: login-token=Mulberry:01UpVLWcL4g4tQyJHCk8f5sMeRw7q8gMLCvsuTxLPBiMXDrLxLC7w=; token_authority=mailto:postmaster@bristol.ac.uk X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:38:50 +0000 (UTC) I think a July release was mentioned in one of the NAMM videos but I'm not=20 sure. I've also read that, if this product is successful, there may be=20 others added to the line. All the technology is there, it just depends on=20 demand. I'd like something compatible with piezo pickups, personally. --On 11 June 2012 11:33 +0200 Per Boysen wrote: > Yes, I have seen some demonstation videos of the Triple Play, used > with a guitar. Seems interesting. Has very fast triggering and > wireless. Does it ship yet? I have not been able to find any price > information. > > Per > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Philip Conway > wrote: >> The company Fishman supposedly have a new wireless midi guitar device >> coming out this year called the Triple Play. =C2=A0It's designed by the = same >> guy that designed the Axon boxes. >> >> http://www.bestofnamm.com/products/view/tripleplay >> >> Apparently it's physically impossible to decrease the latency the Axons >> have simply because the string has to be vibrating for a certain period >> of time in order to produce enough information to determine pitch. >> =C2=A0However, the tracking is supposed to be better. =C2=A0And it's = tiny! >> >> >> >> Philip. >> >> --On 10 June 2012 15:52 +0200 Per Boysen wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 3:15 PM, andy butler >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Per, >>>> afaik Midi pitch bend is essential for really good tracking. >>>> Sometimes the note picked is out by a semitone, and an immediate Pitch >>>> bend compensates. >>>> ..well it happens with the fast tracking Axon like that. >>> >>> >>> >>> The Axon is know for the fastest tracking. But I still chose to go >>> with synths that do not follow the guitar too close (i.e. pitch bend >>> turned off, synth working in chromatic mode). Not only for the >>> esthetic reason already mentioned (rather using synths *behind* string >>> sound to complement and enhance string sound) but also because I like >>> to apply an arpeggiator between the guitar/stick generated MIDI and >>> the synth. And I don't like the rapid arpeggio to follow pitch-bend in >>> a melody played over the arpeggio. >>> >>> Maybe this approach comes from beginning with "MIDI guitar" in the >>> late eighties when the Casio MG502 was introduced (still got mine!!!) >>> and the speed of triggering was very, very slow back then so only the >>> put-synth-pad-behind-string-sound application made any musical sense. >>> >>> I can say that from my recent experience with the GR-55 I actually >>> enjoy playing GR-55 synth sounds that follow pitchbend and use it more >>> to blend with the string sound into a unified sound (rather than as a >>> complement). But for me it never reaches the same playability and >>> expressiveness as the pure string sound (or as if using an EWI as the >>> hands-on instrument). >>> >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> www.perboysen.com >>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>> >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 11 13:17:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05E9C183460; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 13:17:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Jlhf4NsaiAnVN/0RJgDHVmto8uarDm0QMDNrZRFYzrU=; b=pgU/7m52NFlgnbEQs2VoYRQO7GBtfod48c/y56CE2uq5Oc1FUb8M3xVs8dnKQTM7EU FcSbe6GfHFmknqO7pMEIr7MYGlhT0DmaNwPv118rax6QoDeVBAAuy03M+klAlGR00IFQ 9Bo5i01JRbvzX5aBQfYAH9RUMEvbGPSBj9O5Jt4zBphpdkao81BoWPlfbql7//xsmwWc UYPL8KEiqtT+pgQ8wIT+/y1oYA1RqnWPVHtSoFfRGwVW6xuUC5t+sClEvL5H2qlZWhiM SATykQqenWikKkuPAa8OaZvLjwDvXJFUqS39/amVuEq/uhlaAihaKd4AhNJk4CR5VWY7 tiFg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <002301cd46fc$fd0887b0$f7199710$@de> <4FD49E03.4060203@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 07:17:11 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sonuus anyone? From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 13:17:12 +0000 (UTC) I had seen pricing earlier in the Spring and if I'm remembering correctly, it's around US $250-$300 =85 supposed to be shipping late this Summer, but that seems to keep getting pushed further and further out. I'm just hoping it gets out of "prototype ware" =85 Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Yes, I have seen some demonstation videos of the Triple Play, used > with a guitar. Seems interesting. Has very fast triggering and > wireless. Does it ship yet? I have not been able to find any price > information. > > Per > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Philip Conway > wrote: >> The company Fishman supposedly have a new wireless midi guitar device co= ming >> out this year called the Triple Play. =A0It's designed by the same guy t= hat >> designed the Axon boxes. >> >> http://www.bestofnamm.com/products/view/tripleplay >> >> Apparently it's physically impossible to decrease the latency the Axons = have >> simply because the string has to be vibrating for a certain period of ti= me >> in order to produce enough information to determine pitch. =A0However, t= he >> tracking is supposed to be better. =A0And it's tiny! >> >> >> >> Philip. >> >> --On 10 June 2012 15:52 +0200 Per Boysen wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 3:15 PM, andy butler >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Per, >>>> afaik Midi pitch bend is essential for really good tracking. >>>> Sometimes the note picked is out by a semitone, and an immediate Pitch >>>> bend compensates. >>>> ..well it happens with the fast tracking Axon like that. >>> >>> >>> >>> The Axon is know for the fastest tracking. But I still chose to go >>> with synths that do not follow the guitar too close (i.e. pitch bend >>> turned off, synth working in chromatic mode). Not only for the >>> esthetic reason already mentioned (rather using synths *behind* string >>> sound to complement and enhance string sound) but also because I like >>> to apply an arpeggiator between the guitar/stick generated MIDI and >>> the synth. And I don't like the rapid arpeggio to follow pitch-bend in >>> a melody played over the arpeggio. >>> >>> Maybe this approach comes from beginning with "MIDI guitar" in the >>> late eighties when the Casio MG502 was introduced (still got mine!!!) >>> and the speed of triggering was very, very slow back then so only the >>> put-synth-pad-behind-string-sound application made any musical sense. >>> >>> I can say that from my recent experience with the GR-55 I actually >>> enjoy playing GR-55 synth sounds that follow pitchbend and use it more >>> to blend with the string sound into a unified sound (rather than as a >>> complement). But for me it never reaches the same playability and >>> expressiveness as the pure string sound (or as if using an EWI as the >>> hands-on instrument). >>> >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> www.perboysen.com >>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>> >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 11 13:57:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9473A18345E; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 13:57:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=siXyPaRvmbh7XEvhB+U+38/mRFJvtgijPkAo6j3R4tQ=; b=IB/9mNhHxNbpncjQeGXIzw/PYDP+TASz7Nj+UzISTZsS+zQXmE7qh6Q8VQ1YVz76fO Oh6smAGiekX2seDy0/p5EXMKOKeIZA/XPCcW1EHwlrx8rMJAQTsIPJ8b19QRO1oIDZog 6JA7uEylN8RzeZ+8jM/GJVvGRW9YminTUxeh8d+K3BRR+NgtS8YFO8hZ5z8KcxrWX2yl QzCtLU9v4hk2OsoyaNWe6Wah/uBzag+fFX1TogvePY+JTK6OzN91auCV0T7tHRaqG9LU akidbA9/TWPKNeM1FC8nIMwOiM+3RR7T6rUGRuEU8LADABzgCtqyltT18o7W5VANYLpg GoOw== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Subject: Re: Roland Street Cube From: philip In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 22:56:54 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 13:57:33 +0000 (UTC) If I am not mistaken, that is the amp that my son uses when he does = street gigs--separate channel for guitar and vox. I don't know about quiet cafes, but it is the best in its class for = noisy street corners.=20 On Jun 11, 2012, at 6:30 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Well I have not looked that close yet on the Street Cube, but as with > all Roland products there is probably a good PDF manual to download > somewhere on their web page. Running a headphones output into a PA may > be a challenge because a normal headphones output is amplified to > drive a pair of headphones and that is not compatible with a line or > mic input of a mixer, stage-box or PA amp input. BTW, if you haven't > already googled it, here's a good review: > = http://www.gearwire.com/roland-cubestreetportableamplifier-proreview.html >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:47 AM, Lindsey Walker > wrote: >> Cool idea, Per, especially for working with quiet, gossamer layers! >>=20 >> Just looking at pictures, it has a headphone out which could work. = Could >> that setup be run through a bigger pa, I wonder? Where could that be >> spliced in? >>=20 >> Lindsey >> On Jun 10, 2012 4:59 PM, "Per Boysen" wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi Lindsey, >>>=20 >>> I haven't used it but read a lot of reviews and chatted with fellow >>> musicians that have the Street Cube. It is said that the Street's >>> volume is powerful enough for busking, something that can't be said >>> about the smaller Mobile Cube. For vocals it must be totally >>> sufficient. I'm thinking about it because I play many instruments = that >>> include two outputs and the Street Cube kind of equals two cubes in >>> one box, each channel having its own control knobs and effects. = There >>> are also two extra inputs besides the two instrument channels. I = can't >>> recall having heard about any effect send though - if there isn't = one >>> you may need to daisy-chain the looper with the mic before going = into >>> one of the amp channels. It would be very good for looping if the >>> Street Cube offers a separate AUX output for one of the channels >>> because then you could feed the looper from there (with the Street's >>> effects included) and bring in the looper's output into the other >>> Street channel with perhaps a different set of amp effects applied. >>> Wow, that would be useful. >>>=20 >>> Greetings from Sweden >>>=20 >>> Per Boysen >>> www.perboysen.com >>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Lindsey Walker >>> wrote: >>>> Hey, has anyone used the Roland Street Cube for live looping? What = was >>>> your >>>> experience? I want to use it for vocals. >>>>=20 >>>> Lindsey >>>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 11 14:42:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23A92183464; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 14:42:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 566538.20965.bm@omp1033.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1339425768; bh=iWxsoiY1FpnPd5u2jBgnIs1pcD/2wz7MwqKIc4xCiuQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mI9uviztSCitDRSJ4S7yCGnEomE/qCWEfC07dzdNS4DtbUOqSZref/3tkO1DrgJ56jaWG5scJEqnsnwPtp+lBTp3P1dfoCmKaPbElS7WYxAsqCyJCnoWaTYlnAZEQbvEZfSW4aJ6C93gjJB3cfqfBCIuVBxCEIqzUuHLtBEwTuI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yuj9DV17YK8mpsaYz4ub+j4zr/s8agJajWmTb4z379bzWQeLaL6CXo7SHAb07g8Jc6VDc7winwzXqbXQn2raDIxOHrazEsIcETpVngI/V1lUZ6ePTuUAcEDSnb0ILSk70PYgbbymSF7jFvykFlc2qvxs45Gcsq55sPDljfVfWgg=; X-YMail-OSG: A6yuEpcVM1lAD5O9zV3azxgKuTQKkH9pY09zqL5KHAPeer2 Towz3PJoWUGyA2cR0bneIx6Kx3NhIPhU.FW.MwRlPEN9Vk04bGUpXly7VaC7 B6PdBCi2e4I6cti0CroBy0HzAJ_.7MRyf.R09qCYJG4jFpVI4U6Dx2z_WDBe xpEoIp8gXB2gp_5YCOZRqbv1UVVG3IgMdV4OGIvTYECp8KLXmcTZ2nOR1cic zds_slrPT3pcnnS5S0baq.y5xXI_xTNHK4D4jJ72eUmgSw9nLmniAVPEP40f ZAR7uvhEl.2aUoANeCpk1OhMfOclfLTgEhsGeBVn.QoIbFwTQEBhYsQ8i1Ol tbJAM_1uTH8qddgUp8yFWv2TIDzmfIiYC4QqS1y0_LWAfcfWlyqZmKIJXU3s pkANyxLw9Bzu_I5H7v7jZ1ljdcQHCgCd5yPCmBDQjsxo8AblJxQRgeGX8Ap1 I5IQs4TCfZ_MKxXYBs5HIbksv_.L.Lbntm1E.ahqI0q3BSM3GgFqfBXXXbis byBREnd_YKEFRplh7Cp1CMlOMd0Wn2NVx8T2RwIipjBMJjRZ4OTLeijXnkRx eJMD4bn5lRHB4TaP1uBw8.edhQ01Qv9eaaqAhz.6QQlsPR1QwTcs8yKJt_Nu BCfoBOLoBrxlBZVQzyUI5GKbSqc7xNhhnWHSpKLxaABiV58PqKEoZjinnjum 60ujAqoIJrxVlblNLZs3Zoemj.A-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: Message-ID: <1339425767.1875.YahooMailNeo@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 07:42:47 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Roland Street Cube To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-981468583-574386308-1339425767=:1875" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 14:42:49 +0000 (UTC) ---981468583-574386308-1339425767=:1875 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If your mixing device can attenuate down enough, and you ru the headphone o= utput very low, it will work. I have had to do this with many small keyboar= ds and circuit bent speak/ spells. Rig=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: philip =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Monday, June 11,= 2012 6:56 AM=0ASubject: Re: Roland Street Cube=0A=0AIf I am not mistaken, = that is the amp that my son uses when he does street gigs--separate channel= for guitar and vox.=0A=0AI don't know about quiet cafes, but it is the bes= t in its class for noisy street corners. =0A=0A=0AOn Jun 11, 2012, at 6:30 = PM, Per Boysen wrote:=0A=0A> Well I have not looked that close yet on the S= treet Cube, but as with=0A> all Roland products there is probably a good PD= F manual to download=0A> somewhere on their web page. Running a headphones = output into a PA may=0A> be a challenge because a normal headphones output = is amplified to=0A> drive a pair of headphones and that is not compatible w= ith a line or=0A> mic input of a mixer, stage-box or PA amp input. BTW, if = you haven't=0A> already googled it, here's a good review:=0A> http://www.ge= arwire.com/roland-cubestreetportableamplifier-proreview.html=0A> =0A> Greet= ings from Sweden=0A> =0A> Per Boysen=0A> www.perboysen.com=0A> http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen=0A> =0A> =0A> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:47 AM, Lindsey= Walker=0A> wrote:=0A>> Cool idea, Per, especial= ly for working with quiet, gossamer layers!=0A>> =0A>> Just looking at pict= ures, it has a headphone out which could work.=A0 Could=0A>> that setup be = run through a bigger pa, I wonder?=A0 Where could that be=0A>> spliced in?= =0A>> =0A>> Lindsey=0A>> On Jun 10, 2012 4:59 PM, "Per Boysen" wrote:=0A>>> =0A>>> Hi Lindsey,=0A>>> =0A>>> I haven't used it bu= t read a lot of reviews and chatted with fellow=0A>>> musicians that have t= he Street Cube. It is said that the Street's=0A>>> volume is powerful enoug= h for busking, something that can't be said=0A>>> about the smaller Mobile = Cube. For vocals it must be totally=0A>>> sufficient. I'm thinking about it= because I play many instruments that=0A>>> include two outputs and the Str= eet Cube kind of equals two cubes in=0A>>> one box, each channel having its= own control knobs and effects. There=0A>>> are also two extra inputs besid= es the two instrument channels. I can't=0A>>> recall having heard about any= effect send though - if there isn't one=0A>>> you may need to daisy-chain = the looper with the mic before going into=0A>>> one of the amp channels. It= would be very good for looping if the=0A>>> Street Cube offers a separate = AUX output for one of the channels=0A>>> because then you could feed the lo= oper from there (with the Street's=0A>>> effects included) and bring in the= looper's output into the other=0A>>> Street channel with perhaps a differe= nt set of amp effects applied.=0A>>> Wow, that would be useful.=0A>>> =0A>>= > Greetings from Sweden=0A>>> =0A>>> Per Boysen=0A>>> www.perboysen.com=0A>= >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen=0A>>> =0A>>> =0A>>> On Sun, Jun 10, 201= 2 at 11:07 PM, Lindsey Walker=0A>>> wrote:=0A>>>= > Hey, has anyone used the Roland Street Cube for live looping?=A0 What was= =0A>>>> your=0A>>>> experience?=A0 I want to use it for vocals.=0A>>>> =0A>= >>> Lindsey=0A>>> =0A> ---981468583-574386308-1339425767=:1875 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If your mixing device can attenuate down enough, and you ru the headphone o= utput very low, it will work. I have had to do this with many small keyboar= ds and circuit bent speak/ spells.=0D
Rig
= From: philip <philip.ojc@gm= ail.com>
To: Looper= s-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Se= nt: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: Roland Street Cube
<= br>=0AIf I am not mistaken, that is the amp that my son uses when he does s= treet gigs--separate channel for guitar and vox.

I don't know about = quiet cafes, but it is the best in its class for noisy street corners.
=

On Jun 11, 2012, at 6:30 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

> Well I h= ave not looked that close yet on the Street Cube, but as with
> all R= oland products there is probably a good PDF manual to download
> some= where on their web page. Running a headphones output into a PA may
> = be a challenge because a normal headphones output is amplified to
> d= rive a pair of headphones and that is not compatible with a line or
>= mic input of a mixer, stage-box or PA amp input. BTW, if you haven't
&g= t; already googled it, here's a good review:
> http://www.gearwire.co= m/roland-cubestreetportableamplifier-proreview.html
>
> Greeti= ngs from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www= .youtube.com/perboysen
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:= 47 AM, Lindsey Walker
> <lindsey.walker@gmail.com= > wrote:
>> Cool idea, Per, especially for working with quiet, = gossamer layers!
>>
>> Just looking at pictures, it has = a headphone out which could work.  Could
>> that setup be run= through a bigger pa, I wonder?  Where could that be
>> splic= ed in?
>>
>> Lindsey
>> On Jun 10, 2012 4:59 PM= , "Per Boysen" <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> Hi Lindsey,
>>>
>>> I haven't used = it but read a lot of reviews and chatted with fellow
>>> musici= ans that have the Street Cube. It is said that the Street's
>>> vo= lume is powerful enough for busking, something that can't be said
>&g= t;> about the smaller Mobile Cube. For vocals it must be totally
>= >> sufficient. I'm thinking about it because I play many instruments = that
>>> include two outputs and the Street Cube kind of equals= two cubes in
>>> one box, each channel having its own control = knobs and effects. There
>>> are also two extra inputs besides = the two instrument channels. I can't
>>> recall having heard ab= out any effect send though - if there isn't one
>>> you may nee= d to daisy-chain the looper with the mic before going into
>>> = one of the amp channels. It would be very good for looping if the
>&g= t;> Street Cube offers a separate AUX output for one of the channels
= >>> because then you could feed the looper from there (with the Street's
>>> effects included) and bring in the looper's o= utput into the other
>>> Street channel with perhaps a differen= t set of amp effects applied.
>>> Wow, that would be useful.>>>
>>> Greetings from Sweden
>>>
&g= t;>> Per Boysen
>>> www.perboysen.com
>>> http://www.youtu= be.com/perboysen
>>>
>>>
>>> On S= un, Jun 10, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Lindsey Walker
>>> <lindsey.walker@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hey, has any= one used the Roland Street Cube for live looping?  What was
>>= ;>> your
>>>> experience?  I want to use it for v= ocals.
>>>>
>>>> Lindsey
>>>
>



---981468583-574386308-1339425767=:1875-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 11 14:55:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93B74183466; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 14:55:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZHaqiaKbffcIVOTBI8CWQ6DMCeot7ZE8qaXll45spts=; b=KQLxF5UhEjXW1+mY71BfH0IqHA9ZYwG49DQlubfTW6oVlvWh2FmgSTBaCMj/+CcrHI hMmWTUibFdkx5dHEVG/kt4Ld/0IVXqCWOUGPW3XgxyhEdCUtNMIdLF3vof4RsQ6Zg2WK SocsNqQy1hX4ZLEPkLOX4iIf5rKkBWqaZI5Yhhu34IC2E7qhfJVfr8FLfeA3vY/1+tiM Dg+jh8FgAt6/S+iPLE3uMq9JApcU1oARbGZTNuDNV/OEkwxQTdTJt/RA3Y85IO75+P+t vvJDiCw4t9vYkqNtBFUQPoamCXNqOi9vyAl9U50Qe8TgBcBaxVu3+iCdm5Sfx0OqteEW D2QA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 16:55:27 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland Street Cube From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 14:55:28 +0000 (UTC) Just recalled that I actually tried one with a Grand Stick last year and noticed it did not bring out enough low frequencies for the typical bass guitar range. The typical sub range down around 30 - 60 Hz is lacking. In case anyone is interested... For vocal work you typically cut out that anyway, but if live looping vocals with rate shifting you might want that low bass to be taken care of. When I use a flute for looping I rely a lot on that sub bass frequency, due to rate shifting in the looper used as "bass line generator". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:56 PM, philip wrote: > If I am not mistaken, that is the amp that my son uses when he does stree= t gigs--separate channel for guitar and vox. > > I don't know about quiet cafes, but it is the best in its class for noisy= street corners. > > > On Jun 11, 2012, at 6:30 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> Well I have not looked that close yet on the Street Cube, but as with >> all Roland products there is probably a good PDF manual to download >> somewhere on their web page. Running a headphones output into a PA may >> be a challenge because a normal headphones output is amplified to >> drive a pair of headphones and that is not compatible with a line or >> mic input of a mixer, stage-box or PA amp input. BTW, if you haven't >> already googled it, here's a good review: >> http://www.gearwire.com/roland-cubestreetportableamplifier-proreview.htm= l >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:47 AM, Lindsey Walker >> wrote: >>> Cool idea, Per, especially for working with quiet, gossamer layers! >>> >>> Just looking at pictures, it has a headphone out which could work. =C2= =A0Could >>> that setup be run through a bigger pa, I wonder? =C2=A0Where could that= be >>> spliced in? >>> >>> Lindsey >>> On Jun 10, 2012 4:59 PM, "Per Boysen" wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Lindsey, >>>> >>>> I haven't used it but read a lot of reviews and chatted with fellow >>>> musicians that have the Street Cube. It is said that the Street's >>>> volume is powerful enough for busking, something that can't be said >>>> about the smaller Mobile Cube. For vocals it must be totally >>>> sufficient. I'm thinking about it because I play many instruments that >>>> include two outputs and the Street Cube kind of equals two cubes in >>>> one box, each channel having its own control knobs and effects. There >>>> are also two extra inputs besides the two instrument channels. I can't >>>> recall having heard about any effect send though - if there isn't one >>>> you may need to daisy-chain the looper with the mic before going into >>>> one of the amp channels. It would be very good for looping if the >>>> Street Cube offers a separate AUX output for one of the channels >>>> because then you could feed the looper from there (with the Street's >>>> effects included) and bring in the looper's output into the other >>>> Street channel with perhaps a different set of amp effects applied. >>>> Wow, that would be useful. >>>> >>>> Greetings from Sweden >>>> >>>> Per Boysen >>>> www.perboysen.com >>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Lindsey Walker >>>> wrote: >>>>> Hey, has anyone used the Roland Street Cube for live looping? =C2=A0W= hat was >>>>> your >>>>> experience? =C2=A0I want to use it for vocals. >>>>> >>>>> Lindsey >>>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 11 15:36:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8AAC183473; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 15:36:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <6212C1D7-00CE-49AC-89DE-99AC3E4E8130@gmail.com> From: James Collin Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 10:35:32 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: looping on NPR To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04447247355d2304c2341c9d X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:s8sPktBdmUu6iYgllsVUgy9HbjpeaMMRVjRiulfHFK4 SWLz5CG4YayWSOqSkta8YABhZ9xy53s+Hx8OXW4crMcF7pSWTk wmKjUudRbnZwGvj7lxMnGC0/u9QwEZTvFOSVdltBOQnlI7o0Q7 6T7ffR8RgNWSWBy9l0cnNskDAjvZ9PxcbTGzNDjwbi7V6iQwz9 RoK/n2RxpeNqIUU4w8gGFDHEuGxkUiEY7Oub26uTgVu9Ua0HGj vSdcK0m/W7ColzgsIVfFW/ZCvJUsy4b6bOA4ECPTz+/B5dtO+U RKEaBxSCZkTOFXD1AW76Fqvw+u9IOhKxk9Q6wHR/kYNdcE2pyk 0r++foVMYOBRseGFymGdPGEypMblhd8+sKj0b9vEC5OAkwIA0U +0dCx/gFP7I+dPX/p8MFnt84BJo1hPeei7OgYw2bMPZy0AMb0D dJJT4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 15:36:18 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04447247355d2304c2341c9d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Be sure to watch the Tiny Desk video too: http://www.npr.org/event/music/152285927/kishi-bashi-tiny-desk-concert There are a few points when the camera tilts down and you can see some of his setup. - J On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Peter Koniuto wr= ote: > > Lovely! Thanks for sharing! > > > =97 =97 =97 =97 =97 =97 =97 =97 =97 > Peter Koniuto > Creative Recordist > Red Sun Soundroom > Niskayuna, NY > > Music's Inside... > www.RedSunSoundroom.com > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 10:56 AM, RP Collier wrote: > > this morning on Saturday Edition > violin, voice and beatboxing > > > http://www.npr.org/2012/06/09/154575079/kishi-bashi-unique-performances-i= n-time > > regards > > BobC > > > > > http://rpcollier.bandcamp.com/album/platz > http://soundcloud.com/rpcollier > > --f46d04447247355d2304c2341c9d Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Be sure to watch the Tiny Desk video too:=A0http://www.npr.org/even= t/music/152285927/kishi-bashi-tiny-desk-concert

Ther= e are a few points when the camera tilts down and you can see some of his s= etup.=A0

- J

On Sat, Jun 9, 20= 12 at 7:37 PM, Peter Koniuto <peter@redsunsoundroom.com> wrote:

Lovely! Th= anks for sharing!


=97 =97= =97 =97 =97 =97 =97 =97 =97
Peter Koniuto
Creative Recordist
Red Sun Soundroom=
Niskayuna, NY

Music's Inside...

On Jun 9, 2012, at 10:56 AM, RP Coll= ier <skeptik= alist@gmail.com> wrote:

this morning on Saturday Edition
violin, voice and beatboxing
<= div>

regards

BobC
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--f46d04447247355d2304c2341c9d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 11 15:39:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA49B183478; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 15:39:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0504788395==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120611153901.26574.95528.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:39:02 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: looping and film Resent-Message-ID: <8MfpV.A.EKE.XEh1PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 15:39:03 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0504788395== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are=20there=20any=20movies,=20including=20documentaries,=20that=20you'd=20r= ecommend=20to=20a=20looping=20musician? Tyler=20Z --===============0504788395==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 11 20:32:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11AF318345D; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 20:32:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3601 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 20:32:14 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: In-reply-to: <20120611153901.26574.95528.levelstar.mail@everest> References: <20120611153901.26574.95528.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 15:23:50 -0400 To: Tyler , loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: looping and film Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 20:32:14 +0000 (UTC) At 11:39 AM -0400 6/11/12, Tyler wrote: >Are there any movies, including documentaries, that you'd recommend >to a looping musician? >Tyler Z koyaanisqatsi -- "I rang a silent bell ..." -- Robert Hunter "... cast your dancing spell my way, I promise to go under it" -- Bob Dylan My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 11 20:47:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6072318345D; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 20:47:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=UetkJzfQgQ5VJrxddXgyx3oXrBwydqYSpC2bh1QW9S8=; b=AjHAJ95ZpPBKXVBVzNnO1bEzcoLaHtN6kXu5BhKgdK5oiPu7DAzcIH+Byk1JDX6rru XZO8oPPgLFBNZIzQT4dTcCP+VlnA3IpPAys9e2n96fn+2soOn0mP4qOwFJicAjVw7B8n KnOIt0Q57A0YjcmCWy47ccShUCLbma1jUMFqDZe2/VUkTITGwyfLICAiVkLARrWdM0U7 8m3/f5Gqr/xM19ADzJbSgizeAbAtNIC0CUSpvVPSpapbP9OWmebqSyA+QbuoonNjWX/p v13BQV3dot1T71x0K1NOhXIR+aG9p/JUv9kAior4p1a1ExEuz/9o26KHAEez4luNl5wk Xg9w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20120611153901.26574.95528.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 22:47:01 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: looping and film From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 20:47:02 +0000 (UTC) >> Are there any movies, including documentaries, that you'd recommend to a >> looping musician? >> Tyler Z +1 on Koyaanisqatsi! :-) And I've always found this Krautrock documentary tremendously inspiring: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B89-69icyc per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 11 20:59:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD6FA18345E; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 20:59:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0064504629==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120611205926.4569.64228.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 16:59:27 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: looping and film Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 20:59:34 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0064504629== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Why=20is=20everyone=20saying=20that=20movie=20title?=20I=20mean=20everyone?= =20Koyaanisqatsi=20is=20just=20a=20bunch=20of=20 scenes=20put=20to=20some=20Philip=20Glass=20music. Tyler=20Z On=20Mon,=2011=20Jun=202012=2022:47:01=20+0200,=20Per=20Boysen=20wrote: >>>Are=20there=20any=20movies,=20including=20documentaries,=20that=20you'd= =20recommend=20to=20a >>>looping=20musician? >>>Tyler=20Z > >+1=20on=20Koyaanisqatsi!=20:-) > >And=20I've=20always=20found=20this=20Krautrock=20documentary=20tremendousl= y=20inspiring: >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3B89-69icyc > >per --===============0064504629==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 11 21:10:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60854183452; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 21:10:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 990862.17191.bm@omp1011.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1339449039; bh=I9gEXbEVcDKYH/C1hWUq0V45Rp1Je5K922MFRE8mJgc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=d9bQHy5G4n0oYE0GPNAfPhHJU3HSYRt++8SRLlMEkMhc3TcPF4/nZmQd3m8Tb30RfoKgZvHa3WnAiYhB+BE4KO+D/rZDcz01tVPsYAfcSFSaSJUMA5Tu9S/3mes+umhVzluADmOxfhKtMH+m3/3GU7nb+67b4Ry+z6pGzECd8xc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=z28ZtSSz4dMg6OpwQSWzM/vZLsWqYF0ZGm3Y7wXAkAZr8RfZw0ok8aoeCzOxhrPq0FB8VAOxUE1v7w4EnADbTqJWlKNZHQuer0Rx9zSu3zgkS1QdMcKEZIYf3/jgYu34ERRkll35z8QggcOiiY686/YCHAUGPFYnJHWMJ8KHQZM=; X-YMail-OSG: eSbDsQYVM1kO.oW8KXkPm8nwRPuefZTMy.8a2uE0CxHjqfi kzg3Y5xpPE2qsKlvcKVI8BX2JTpQITQalGBKMAPoXLHoPplFVG1YKgKH5KIv eZdQguFjDh_0u4C.6agLW05.2Co7SG7Zjbq4KHHIb89A4JeufsRmQ8GEi3hh tUcwEUutXTxj.i6Ep1ylbbU2w9KEC_U05fMsILbpijNI77ewz5jSnSqVrzGb XVN0XYxxNN7yhXtGICPIf6jCIYjoKTckZbgh3HyOdNjFamrpExqM22iSqK3N zqmUWZIYlwvvh3B2j7LMF2vif4yubptUXh7pB4wsJyeleD0ho6MRyg4HnEmM bQr37U.1U0bwFSJLG23.A6DPRCMLrTqiQBysSZ1K823QdOOV9Gh3h47tQSQ4 KcTed4zsyRtN6Pz5XiBrMMATEN4srXpp.RUDaDBubshZ4bhvs7f9DhBd_AIJ a9bDYJqYKqSWYPQRj1HY1CV1AVxmUVW_8ZQLRfOS_64vwL9ce8pehix8dLfe 1k23dKjABP78_wNa5.Ja0laYbW0.7ks4PO_k4Cjj42nOa8gUkzTOte9Ndil7 saPnB1d1F5QJelwMpVlz4StSf5VG8lezSmvLokKnshMjIis.jxSVECRP8suO mpgHyFcN.C.NoFcyVyGxr2NY991LbjvMiEVwZJeJK3i5sCuawhrgKf1Jq6CO i7C_ynq9ERJkG.gc4.lNfrTerjslbVjCyaMg1k5YGIJXCAl1Gjis54ef4K1m dZs8.d7FKm6wuGJVxtRxNMboe1Vy1kKBE4YzmuFsa3RrzsGo2KUHdln02TA6 A26xyMB4onxrzpJMnhZSY1e.qGaPrIUKFEykmjSBy3OzgR22CcGVkkDiSHSw un0uZ3l8znsUKB0u_kTAxCn7DuAlgRFabvYDM_OssCgoL43i2tn49DbUdoP1 kz_xYbFwWEVkq_T6eKuEN9p4gktI- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <20120611153901.26574.95528.levelstar.mail@everest> Message-ID: <1339449039.62808.YahooMailNeo@web45302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 14:10:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Reply-To: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: looping and film To: Tyler , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <9nTWz.A.koH.R7l1PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 21:10:41 +0000 (UTC) =0A=0AJir=ED Barta's 'Klub odlozenych' (The Club of the Laid Off), although= musically having nothing to do with looping, visually incorporates repetit= ion and entropy in a manner that any looper could relate to.(Watch for subt= le changes on each iteration of the "loop".)=0A=0Ahttp://youtu.be/Hh9tAwFkA= rA=0A=0AAnd yeah, I'll be blatantly immodest and plug a couple examples of = my own stuff, because there's some looping in there as well.=0A=0Ahttp://yo= utu.be/oxtjoH--GbA=0A=0A=0Aand=A0 http://www.muttermuseumstore.com/merchant= 2/merchant.mvc?Screen=3DPROD&Store_Code=3DMutterMuseumStore&Product_Code=3D= QuayDVD&Category_Code=3DCUST=0A=0A-t-=0A=0Ahttp://timothynelsonmusic.com/= =0Ahttp://www.cdbaby.com/Artist/TimNelson=0Ahttp://www.facebook.com/timothy= nelsonmusic=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Tyler =0ATo: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=0ASent: Mo= nday, June 11, 2012 11:39 AM=0ASubject: looping and film=0A=0AAre there any= movies, including documentaries, that you'd recommend to a looping musicia= n?=0ATyler Z=A0 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 11 23:27:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DEB418345C; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 23:27:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=dijhRV6jFeoQmIXm5fAID4B/mCvZmynhGHuBRghO9LE=; b=O6KX77YYtim/ccca7YOo5T1eTGp4ZjL1YHi3xOQ+B/EJbqbqB96ZEUxMzQBAnIMIRm REzhpkMBKuO7AwsNQj3TDYNAttYcVC181ZYgAuLMlKn7aOJsj01YcVxwFTWdPZzyW2Bb WAxrWIiKCpAEVRbOXhvO7MlnqAxAsLVwtcqfhiJNQvXncZGuHe5z9ydfYQE8ZxI4I6oN 9RQAYia3c5XHFYbR7Q3ZJArPqJ3WbVNRo7/umm7KmZ1yCEPnwbgZYvOh8I0ZiwNtFTaW z4rNtUCAiA/o4YmJzQuCqYSd0buB2bulAS9RdVLkXXIquRX2SmuLNwJhCLaB1YFnViY0 B9xw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20120611210433.4899.71768.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 01:27:11 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: looping and film From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <46kGWD.A.V6.Q7n1PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 23:27:12 +0000 (UTC) ISHKUR'S GUIDE TO ELECTRONIC MUSIC is not a movie, just a web site in flash - but incredibly fun and inspiring! http://techno.org/electronic-music-guide/ Per On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Tyler wrote: > Those who know loops know Imogen Heap. She has a movie out that is nothing but music and pictures, > no talking. It's a nature film called Love The Earth. It was produced by The Bubbletank, > a film company owned by Imogen Heap and her friend Thomas Ermacora. Disappointingly, Wikipedia > does not have a full article, but the film has its own website. > http://www.lovetheearthfilm.org > Tyler Z > On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 23:01:05 +0200, Per Boysen wrote: > > >>I would guess many mention it for the history record's sake; it was >>one of a kind back when it was made. >> >>Per >> >>On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Tyler wrote: >>>Why is everyone saying that movie title? I mean everyone? Koyaanisqatsi is just >>>a bunch of >>>scenes put to some Philip Glass music. >>>Tyler Z >>>On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 22:47:01 +0200, Per Boysen wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>>Are there any movies, including documentaries, that you'd recommend to a >>>>>>looping musician? >>>>>>Tyler Z >>>> >>>>+1 on Koyaanisqatsi! :-) >>>> >>>>And I've always found this Krautrock documentary tremendously inspiring: >>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B89-69icyc >>>> >>>>per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 03:31:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E4DE183461; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 03:31:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=YaJVsM32c4Y6olLCZogVASxCUj1se6XS5PU7aX6jIDk=; b=nNRbbo7BXJl/od8w9AAnJoa2HvOAyww4+VvEu4KYJcs+JXVacSNrVybULz8MQ9UsQX qfKLkpmDUly77FVd/ICxgG/XlDzbqupCcHvCGiDkQC1Gny28BO0uQU1C658z6tV1khHo D6oYnOSH9AqJXZBeKX0dbT+12cfel6ZoQub9kDPaprTrzGeJ/nvv4TKlkT7nBte5wb60 4FbLasGahREWkr6xJOornB39XY7ghNSwcvZfWaPAp3IacbvvTCMWgmbEqmEu2Rsqt3kD N3miURunqLj7lTXXShstaAxD/1/KDcFYnWZBV1W8afOGwcAy9BGsNKmMfs8kvgBD9oeL dxOQ== From: Matthias Grob Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3C245DA3-0D4E-45DA-A714-7BEF9DB7DDDC" Subject: Re: looping and film Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:30:59 -0300 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20120611153901.26574.95528.levelstar.mail@everest> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: <2cxcL.A.V2C.8fr1PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 03:31:08 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_3C245DA3-0D4E-45DA-A714-7BEF9DB7DDDC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 thank you for this memory, Per! I ended up listening to an Amon D=FC=FCl II Yeti, a record I had for a = while, I thought it was the best of those bands=85 but now I feel they = did not even get off the Emajor ground in most songs=85 so I ended up at = Pink Floyd Pompei which was done at the same period and is so much = better in every respect: harmonically, rhythmically, technically, and = especially: psychedelically! Not that I would blame the band, they had to fight to be playing while = the Queen had kissed the Beatles, the whole situation was different, as = this documentary (made by the english=85) does show, too=85 On 11 Jun 2012, at 5:47 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >=20 > And I've always found this Krautrock documentary tremendously = inspiring: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3B89-69icyc >=20 > per >=20 --Apple-Mail=_3C245DA3-0D4E-45DA-A714-7BEF9DB7DDDC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 thank = you for this memory, Per!
I ended up listening to an Amon D=FC=FCl = II Yeti, a record I had for a while, I thought it was the best of those = bands=85 but now I feel they did not even get off the Emajor ground in = most songs=85 so I ended up at Pink Floyd Pompei which was done at the = same period and is so much better in every respect: harmonically, = rhythmically, technically, and especially: = psychedelically!
Not that I would blame the band, they had to = fight to be playing while the Queen had kissed the Beatles, the whole = situation was different, as this documentary (made by the english=85) = does show, too=85

On 11 Jun 2012, at 5:47 PM, = Per Boysen wrote:

And I've always = found this Krautrock documentary tremendously inspiring:
http://www.youtube.c= om/watch?v=3D3B89-69icyc

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= --Apple-Mail=_3C245DA3-0D4E-45DA-A714-7BEF9DB7DDDC-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 08:36:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C479B18345B; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 08:36:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 746061.68758.bm@omp1015.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1339490207; bh=6SpAef4AW0kvG+yK4THak+YA2qupsB/bvKANGc5QFFU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qIo7QjgYL0vhZ9PaCPt/PZ99zgA1sFaBpSQJO6HPc6amoYdGYhTmUD8V4UqkvPe7Q2C+YzwSGTFA5uM8RjUesqW85uiZuL98+nOpUokm8j8m7cZgblslL4QCXb0NaSLsOly2bdw8kYxGl0uzg6uaTZ3Mc9zENgNn/zqAiwqqLc8= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ez+jVpjhyNTLR8Z6ojxW6L5j60DoPpfeGnmyuVsA4W8J+BGXCPPsFFyaBslzD8YSzcc1sHYP7GXAwYAB73kHVKEb+MgdcGx3YTd1KhKzBhvvhFzwT3nOO1F0AACFLnyzW91Xf5UxCqhFDnypQxGiSwF5tJLM+7sw1iy5twPMHGI=; X-YMail-OSG: ZVFUu54VM1n2UZeSmwHbRY7h5BISreZ2UcuFRoILYmw2UNp VuI0ppKXXaMMC7FuK8WfoYTZ31sVj7qkCDZzhWzNtUyCVFHzR1qYZcQd.RoG DRzZVUkl2gTZzNfbSkKCGAB59Shl2s8B3cflhTutpOpHMEK2nlExDAt1XchY HtyvCQ27PfYLwhgy93jnrNwNR7P0bs5EG2GvNGnbP2fI00rk6q7w4_WUJHRg NUazv7Zgv33RqQSNleD0PdS5En79WD_1ZOLBwSqoVhZTOSTAvRkQnKqh6hZb ckiWMyPA.dIVijWDsU1BzEwTwE5Y5emkSM8MMsX.78GHtXQ.JBJ17InYPHJN fEXRaYdxel_TTZLk1rsMcGoWX9Y1hImMjDge1uZ3o3M1G__lEV9sPgUDkTlK oWEtIxzPVnu8_wc.bqOA5o2si78dBRQqCuauxWqg0H1Z9LiY4bk_dWtBMAyC tv.cnf.5sATGm92y8FDexkfYw0zgs__HOIB7lE265Ip_WDL3UhYQGL8YcXf8 DuPHR67cKN3GV4Nqs0g-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <9E6D43A7-29DF-4A63-82CF-A15F3EDF3B80@baymoon.com> Message-ID: <1339490207.4943.YahooMailNeo@web163801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 01:36:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Reply-To: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Auto Swells To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <9E6D43A7-29DF-4A63-82CF-A15F3EDF3B80@baymoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1863558942-2071241019-1339490207=:4943" Resent-Message-ID: <31qid.A.fSF.h-v1PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 08:36:49 +0000 (UTC) --1863558942-2071241019-1339490207=:4943 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Talking about swells,one thing that bothers me about them is that cut off w= hich happens randomly,i really prefer to use the guitar or volume pedal wit= h a delay to achieve that effect=0A=0Aby the way any interesting delay comb= inations with the M9 you d like to share?=0A=0A=A0=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com= /luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: William Wa= lker =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0A= Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 4:00 AM=0ASubject: Re: Strymon... whoa.=0A =0A= > Would it make sense to use an Echo Park strictly as an Auto Swell?=0A> = =0A> Mark=0A=0ANot for me,=A0 I rely on morphing between two slightly diffe= rent=A0 attack rates and also between two different settings=A0 of delay mi= x and feedback depth.=A0 the echo park has very little parameter control. I= 'm still hounding a couple of manufacturers every month or so to build a re= ally useable ADSR is a pedal, so far OWA seems to be the only one intereste= d in doing it and it may take a while before he has a working prototype.=A0= meanwhile i will have my M-9 modded.=0ABill --1863558942-2071241019-1339490207=:4943 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Talking ab= out swells,one thing that bothers me about them is that cut off which happe= ns randomly,i really prefer to use the guitar or volume pedal with a delay = to achieve that effect
by the way any interestin= g delay combinations with the M9 you d like to share?
&nbs= p;
http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
From: William Walker <= ;billwalker@baymoon.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 4:00 AM
Subject: Re: Strymon... whoa.

> Would it make sense to use an Echo Park strictly as an Au= to Swell?
>
> Mark

Not for me,  I rely on morphin= g between two slightly different  attack rates and also between two di= fferent settings  of delay mix and feedback depth.  the echo park= has very little parameter control. I'm still hounding a couple of manufact= urers every month or so to build a really useable ADSR is a pedal, so far O= WA seems to be the only one interested in doing it and it may take a while = before he has a working prototype.  meanwhile i will have my M-9 modde= d.
Bill



--1863558942-2071241019-1339490207=:4943-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 08:43:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C54E183460; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 08:43:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 881164.35657.bm@omp1005.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1339490556; bh=6ZEEMJH5qzO6N+YRqmQO6w/xJ/LgYiY1QQfRpaBGROk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pkbYdSJGwsyhftbY6lz/oIVXq7RmA9sX3tal0fSMHYLVFYkJzxDzv30l7BeP09urMTca9PCr5NjelYiDfjtCduuEGNacbOI9d4TcVRuQwwqXr/mU4gXUMpUZANGKOjb5rdYwUwA1rZTa+qPKCQjndWfDoZoWZ4Cg4pX2bg6UzJk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mie347V5dcL5ymnxzYng7WhYBGeF2N1NWrSAbLB3458opXjj4yL20H5CQkLhyv3KYXHHBBUZdxYhSk2CIHBHph+DlvRAy9p9/NayMxiPB3TiGA/kDA8tGdLN/j4RNnhEuydHDIc3YwEGeMV6G/0CROzpR16g9kYeepj03ZdsSz0=; X-YMail-OSG: viT_4PsVM1nIHkM0.hPWFpMgwIlNjP4E5ULkq5p0vceB3C6 p0alknsLMQ9IEKpfjC78piTIcK4zLjEWMAU1qG9yd1d8U_OMfIck8iYJZKOD .BHvRka9bFpCEhr0M52Q.mn3FnIHy.3tejkmpG6TCG.Ncorm7tbyTahlLd1N QMf2WClRbZoll2qk5zL0Yc133PHwgNUM7.1K1yKe5Jw.LL_Hhd6O1Bskii3x lI.0_Cj0DxbV2al5iNw8H50Ati9FTuHkaIH6fwIydbgf5wIWHgis40W45myR 2FFS_F5DKjrREiipx.Fu8lkDrRRV8G49rLiRoNppCSnklKrWxaBw6Kg5fmXc rWefyp_T5RfNpKwHq.OkFaJgSSxWnV1ejUFdc_6TRTJKex3ADH8X3zUcibjY LnpaLrqVdNkUXOsNu7kl6f5g1bRLKVfBWcWLFLW211J5Dj_VOhXNMXAHTEBd kAajKRWNlXYWmDp4HyZkW5fap1EVIk7RuhQ0I8XMsduoBDly_p_DxuRnfKRA BbFREDor8.E6lwyj8JQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1339490556.57565.YahooMailNeo@web163803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 01:42:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Reply-To: Luis Angulo Subject: best guitar harmonizer pedal? To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1108104203-1550114571-1339490556=:57565" Resent-Message-ID: <-Jy_yB.A.SaF.6Ew1PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 08:43:38 +0000 (UTC) --1108104203-1550114571-1339490556=:57565 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi gang,=0Ai have an upcoming gig where i need to simulate 2 guitar lead pa= rts=0Aive always stayed away from harmonizers,never really been a fan of th= em specially when used with a nylon string guitar=0Ai tried that digitech h= armony man and found it horrible with acoustic=0A=0Aand the one on the M9 i= s not any better another reason why i stay away from them!=0Aso im hunting = for a single pedal that has excellent tracking and possiblity to program an= y harmony scale=0Aany suggestions?=0Acheers=0ALuis=0A=0A=A0=0Ahttp://www.my= space.com/luisangulocom --1108104203-1550114571-1339490556=:57565 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi gang,
i have an upcoming gig where i need to simulate 2 gui= tar lead parts
ive always stayed away from harmonize= rs,never really been a fan of them specially when used with a nylon string = guitar
i tried that digitech harmony man and found i= t horrible with acoustic
and the one on the M9 i= s not any better another reason why i stay away from them!
so im hunting for a single pedal that has excellent tracking and pos= siblity to program any harmony scale
any suggestions= ?
cheers
Luis
 
http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
<= /html> --1108104203-1550114571-1339490556=:57565-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 19:24:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1347183460; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:24:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=nYP5Xi07bMGOn/q172YxQbSlZLiulM1zRjR5UEE5oJU=; b=GS7qpwToTJRz8rMqNK0awvYT5c2Baz6sf329mjpjZYxcNufoJ5DzL6+1a3KiwjCfhz HblnAe5I8wCoF+JmHXLF9L+TI10vgDX8+uCCWZC0s+LdWdhKZsftr9nCCXjKq7pn7iJu SYn3XhMtqfDmwY7vG15JXc+JASA8jiug2L4bB8402OA3M3rFplgsO8S2PJ/Y4zaAjOzd MAPgRb6BYNjI9EUdlTKtBaZxMp/tku8vFojSTXgUllGEgZ1jJloVCSI0fNSiuZrbYevn Jpb+0ImbTX9RztReKkjI3ZFf3SdP7RpOvRLMwMwhtvOVcqPgsAz2FLOg1oocMZea9QG9 8XsA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 12:24:09 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Looper's Jam Session, Saturday 6/23 in Seattle From: Rob Jellinghaus To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec52be76b241f1804c24b6954 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:24:10 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec52be76b241f1804c24b6954 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, my name's Rob Jellinghaus and I need your help. I'm working on a Kinect live-looping music project named Holofunk. I recorded this last week to give you a taste of what it does: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnbWkXfMS4E I am calling anyone who's interested in weird music, software art, NUI hacking, or 21st century DJ'ing. I'd like to set up Holofunk, demo it a bit, let anyone try it who wants to, and hopefully play with whatever toys or equipment you all bring, possibly resulting in some kind of face-melting free-form electronica jam session, who knows? Some awesome Burning Man friends in Seattle have extended me the offer of their lovely space on Saturday, June 23rd (two weeks from this Saturday), starting at 3:00 PM and running until approximately 6:00. Things can run later than 6:00 and turn into general mayhem and loop long into the night if that's what happens. Some refreshments will be provided. Bring a bottle to share if you wish! Please reply directly to me if you're interested in attending, and I'll send you the 411. (If you just want to talk about Holofunk, please reply to the list :-) Now let's find out if there are any northwesterners other than myself on this list.... Cheers! Rob (p.s. If you want more background on Holofunk, please check http://holofunk.codeplex.com or http://robjsoftware.org -- I've corresponded with Rick Walker about it a bit, and there is a chance I'll be at the looper's conference in Santa Cruz in October.) -- Check my blog --> http://robjsoftware.org --bcaec52be76b241f1804c24b6954 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, my name's Rob Jellinghaus and I need your help.=A0 I'm worki= ng on a Kinect live-looping music project named Holofunk.=A0 I recorded thi= s last week to give you a taste of what it does:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DqnbWk= XfMS4E

I am calling anyone who's interested in weird music, software art,= NUI hacking, or 21st century DJ'ing. I'd like to set up Holofunk, = demo it a bit, let anyone try it who wants to, and hopefully play with what= ever toys or equipment you all bring, possibly resulting in some kind of fa= ce-melting free-form electronica jam session, who knows?
=A0
Some awesome Burning Man friends in Seattle have extende= d me the offer of their lovely space on Saturday, June 23rd (two weeks from= this Saturday), starting at 3:00 PM and running until approximately 6:00.= =A0 Things can run later than 6:00 and turn into general mayhem and loop lo= ng into the night if that's what happens.=A0 Some refreshments will be = provided. Bring a bottle to share if you wish!
=A0
Please reply directly to me if you're interested in = attending, and I'll send you the 411.=A0 (If you just want to talk abou= t Holofunk, please reply to the list :-)
=A0
Now let= 9;s find out if there are any northwesterners other than myself on this lis= t....
Cheers!
Rob
=A0
(p.s. If you want more bac= kground on Holofunk, please check http://holofunk.codeplex.com or h= ttp://robjsoftware.org -- I've corresponded with Rick Walker about = it a bit, and there is a chance I'll be at the looper's conference = in Santa Cruz in October.)
--
Check my blog --> http://robjsoftware.org
--bcaec52be76b241f1804c24b6954-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 19:40:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2897C183461; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:40:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=VJeWcw50UC4qvv8fF+uqpRJWIyzbZnCDyOcYHh8IgA+CWmWy5pApqfPw7JPrJUdz; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <22695588.1339530016902.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 14:40:16 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Grant Reply-To: Grant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Harmonizer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: 4627597e215714c3ca853a8129e90869f402879cecb40bd53ec3a0d067c770e107b6e393e82f30e3d1d1d915fe21a7e1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.48 Resent-Message-ID: <_mhkAB.A.cID.hs51PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:40:17 +0000 (UTC)

Natur= ally some of the Roland guitar synths come to mind but I wonder if you coul= d use one of the new-generation vocal processors? I'm expecting a TC-Helico= n VoiceLive Touch in a few days. I purchased it for vocal use but I might t= ry it for instrument use too, might be interesting. There are more advanced= (i.e. more expensive) units but most do allow key selection for generating= vocal harmony parts. I've read that, in isolation, the synthesized harmony= parts sound quite cheesy but when mixed with the real vocal it's passable.= Might be the same for an instrument IF it can track well enough. I did a c= over of an Eagle's song once (studio) and had trouble reaching the highest = vocal harmony part. I took a submix and lowered it a couple of whole tones = (using Time Factory), sang the harmony part and then re-pitched that part b= ack up to proper pitch (again using TF). In isolation it sounded like a Chi= pmunk's song but in the mix you really couldn't tell. Still makes me laugh = every time I hear it even though I'm the only one who notices. Timothy B. S= chmit, nothin' to it!

 

G
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 20:21:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6C05183462; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 20:21:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=HRKDnwSIqI33vpJgyZOl8HYGedOyVMAQlLZGemHCSOA=; b=YUZbnx4NUvkzgtr5avEXSvI2x0hkNjJ0Zu3oe0Z0d+NEMoDD+YAeLYLoSw/u7XtGsc QHagnEGGCJ1ReUEY8fEnmVVBvmFqyZYct6W6ve0b2uZRhQY9So7W1w9NLfAmjT3LH7fk gCMpo8fBUV5S9X1eRutlMFH1z46QMPiPys8EH2MrkNhaD8Kau5kJZBjPvmsdJU9Xr15y 8RWxAh1NmYo4Y0HlQcpRPxDUIlBaqb+1o08temCzFAQCeI0BjWwt9f5GcPFXtW75+Csd CUU21augYpVypDQJOEChiNa4i7dfCNLjQvYGq5XYrGzI9ngvkzXZ1ytiCvFxiKDIvHsJ fFpg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:21:23 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Found the optimal tuning/string guage (Re: Baryton guitar strings/tuning?) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 20:21:24 +0000 (UTC) Hi GAng, Just a short note to thank everybody that posted helpful ideas for stringing/tuning my Telecaster that recently received a baritone neck (fretted). After a lot of experimenting I have settled with ordinary guitar tuning lowered one whole tone; i.e. drop-D. The reason I drop it down is that I want to use .010 set strings, which is what I use on regular guitars. The bari tele sounds amazing at this tuning. I think the reason you don't see much baritone guitars around is that people tend to accept using normal baritone strings and tuning. But doing so makes the guitar play in a lower register that it may be hard to find useful in more orchestrated music (although beautiful for solo guitar pieces, or if you design the full music after the darker guitar voicing. Personally I have other string instrument that sound "dark and heavy" in a better way than a guitar so I decided to let the Tele stay in the traditional guitar range where melodies sing over stuff rather than drown behind stuff). What you get when using the longer bari neck at (almost) normal guitar tuning is a lot better intonation, more musical tone, better definition of played chords and easier fingering at the highest frets. I love this Telecaster now and will definitely mutate my Stratocaster too with a fretted baritone neck in the future (no money and no time this year). I've been using the strat's neck since 1986 so if not replacing it I would have to refret it anyway (would cost the same as buying an All-Parts baritone neck). Big thanks to Bill Walker that notified me on the German Pyramid strings! The round cores make them sound as you expect from good strings. Actually, I haven't had as good strings since a brand I used up to around 1980 when they were discontinued. I can't recall the name of those strings but from the feel and sound of the Pyramid strings I'm certain that my old up-to-1980 favorite strings also used round cores. A little more tense (good thing for great sound), a little more sustain and longer life (don't know about that third poing, but that's what people say about Pyramid). I also picked up a flat wound Pyramid .013 - .056 set for the fretless Harp Guitar (drop-B tuned) but I can't detect any difference compared to D'addario's strings of the same specs. "Longer life" isn't an argument regarding flat wounds since they normally last forever anyway ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 20:33:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2284183465; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 20:33:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=qFgK6ck3C0XMXyt25yvAEUKelpP6+9se12K9r2yLzfU=; b=WzXOewgcoMToPWBCJCcJfvZGiHNcNSGBjq3O77ApGQZUQai+09h2mchIQAY6IGCSQP uCScl3tSGwZrLirgaItb43QENVi26YU7Gcy6LoZ460M0ejGLJ+VRIMMTwp4eTyfumOQB x6OE96VcNkJ8F5ajGwmExKfgqtxajQH69dy/Ghv8HxXu0L0YHM6lmm00XlwI+DQiHiel uqqIlq6IiKoSfhUYA4qAl1YbDZ+9BeVv1X+LJA8+57ZbsYdP28Jpyh88VLYY670kqM4o cBXUvdYn68qbuACZWZnMAODoCkssQyOy2on0YfgPpUpkDguaa6aWTXGWnIezq0GufW6/ BszQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:33:06 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: GKJeW2F66xws5Fh6MG09v3IYVPM Message-ID: Subject: Re: Found the optimal tuning/string guage (Re: Baryton guitar strings/tuning?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec52be913ecec0304c24c6051 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 20:33:27 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec52be913ecec0304c24c6051 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Personally I have other string instrument that sound "dark > and heavy" in a better way than a guitar... > THAT got me curious! -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --bcaec52be913ecec0304c24c6051 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
Personally I have other string instrument that sound &quo= t;dark
and heavy" in a better way than a guitar...
THAT got me curious!



--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--bcaec52be913ecec0304c24c6051-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 20:45:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8510F183465; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 20:45:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3bjjlEZZBm3kZv4vyBf23IvmoXDQ8ULpdF+JC3+90DQ=; b=QidVHkLVm19aAH2AHbXZks0BjDKkMu7hcqk3WDL2bu+OlEi1b28Z6RrCjZ9seCnMJP OoR2Rl8vZQ/kR/HOCaSoNDSkzCi7tUCq1E4nHhPVAr6SRRPp9GwDatY9f+3ut3EnheVK 5BQ5EdKyoh1o9GD727GltkhOvOXM8kal5mX1VIyWkbs1YLIfi5lUajb7JAnKVJ+oQ9p1 2X6ta5srivY1U/l8U0+fUqshWygfU5Mdo5uMWHTHRRiTFCmwgheYZuJc2/YjO016b0SP yaqR24f3AIanJqNvyHzjrxWkqJ5mItledEG+hdA75qnpSuaGDm+qT7oPeRVMQq8pVp1V M6rQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:45:35 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Found the optimal tuning/string guage (Re: Baryton guitar strings/tuning?) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 20:45:36 +0000 (UTC) > On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> Personally I have other string instrument that sound "dark >> and heavy" in a better way than a guitar... > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:33 PM, mark francombe wrote: > THAT got me curious! Well, for a non-metal sound the 36" scale Stick is unbeatable. But I also have an old Casio MG guitar (yes, the pioneer MIDI guitar) that I keep with ultra thick strings and drop-B tuning - but what really makes this guitar smashing for throbbing half muted metal riffing is the DiMarzio Dual Sound pickup at the bridge position. Of course a 25.5" scale guitar with that thick strings and low tuning doesn't sing at all (no twang) but the crushing omph factor is potent. You can hear it here http://erdemhelvacioglu-perboysen.bandcamp.com/track/reef-edge-race Mark, I know you love your baritone. What strings and tuning are you using for it? (sorry I haven't recording any Tele Bari stuff for demo yet, but I will do in August) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 21:00:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 259F418345D; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:00:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=tXQWw46jyPcAM2AuFUdVxqv6+FQ4Rx+B4tbuwC0der/UsZ2VVuHlCaM5D0p+cx06; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <16175994.1339534826998.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 14:00:26 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Found the optimal tuning/string guage (Re: Baryton guitar strings/tuning?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd483d329980a6ef206c1f2f0a140700b7b4480e0e5d2f5ffe94350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.30 Resent-Message-ID: <4oa_NB.A.VdE.1361PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:00:38 +0000 (UTC) just so peeps like me understand Per-you mean you only drop one string down to D right? thats what drop D means to me-or are you tuning all strings down a whole step? or are you open tuning to D ? > >Hi GAng, > >Just a short note to thank everybody that posted helpful ideas for >stringing/tuning my Telecaster that recently received a baritone neck >(fretted). After a lot of experimenting I have settled with ordinary >guitar tuning lowered one whole tone; i.e. drop-D. The reason I drop >it down is that I want to use .010 set strings, which is what I use on >regular guitars. The bari tele sounds amazing at this tuning. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 21:16:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7AC0E183461; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:16:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=fouXw00hpvMEmsN25vXRyKDM/GcUBcHhIPiKIVMUG74=; b=Ju9c9m4BjQpRRjoEbT+bY548z7q+aABTc1gEEo1nOhZ8lRxA2iORVUz73YlE5RtiJZ mFO75x6KQMns/PHlBlVkTCmu+98FhzNoWY+SebrRvDd0SF5qW9Cd8DP70+MZohbNTYHK qwHyto2k32XX6mB1tEEaQCBitu9Sb57+08GEm8KaPy2nKY/ZhEsTvOAozmwFMiFAiHip 5TUTlqPL57nYIksaGaFVQ3vESbFdk2tjfFjcmHHY3GNmrR3smYY12FfaTWp12BXt3ghl +pF5fY1GXvsFgU1bBsAzn4kqY9gPE0Y84lVT3Lov39fZ9TR2qec6cek9aOFLrLySuvAb 9ooA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <16175994.1339534826998.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <16175994.1339534826998.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:16:01 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Found the optimal tuning/string guage (Re: Baryton guitar strings/tuning?) From: Per Boysen To: "stanitarium@earthlink.net" Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf303bfc883c667304c24cf963 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:16:02 +0000 (UTC) --20cf303bfc883c667304c24cf963 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Stan, I tune the Bari Neck Tele a whole step lower than normal guitar tuning. D G C F A D. I think the longer scale in this higher tuning (for a baritone) with .010 strings brings out the best qualities from the instrument. Sorry for being unclear. On Tuesday, June 12, 2012, wrote: > just so peeps like me understand Per-you mean you only drop one string > down to D right? thats what drop D means to me-or are you tuning all > strings down a whole step? or are you open tuning to D ? > > > > > >Hi GAng, > > > >Just a short note to thank everybody that posted helpful ideas for > >stringing/tuning my Telecaster that recently received a baritone neck > >(fretted). After a lot of experimenting I have settled with ordinary > >guitar tuning lowered one whole tone; i.e. drop-D. The reason I drop > >it down is that I want to use .010 set strings, which is what I use on > >regular guitars. The bari tele sounds amazing at this tuning. > > -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen --20cf303bfc883c667304c24cf963 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stan,

I tune the Bari Neck Tele a whole step lower th= an normal guitar tuning. D G C F A D. I think the longer scale in this high= er tuning (for a baritone) with .010 strings brings out the best qualities = from the instrument. Sorry for being unclear.

On Tuesday, June 12, 2012, wrote:
j= ust so peeps like me understand Per-you mean you only drop one string down = to D right? thats what drop D means to me-or are you tuning all strings dow= n a whole step? or are you open tuning to D ?


>
>Hi GAng,
>
>Just a short note to thank everybody that posted helpful ideas for
>stringing/tuning my Telecaster that recently received a baritone neck >(fretted). After a lot of experimenting I have settled with ordinary >guitar tuning lowered one whole tone; i.e. drop-D. The reason I drop >it down is that I want to use .010 set strings, which is what I use on<= br> >regular guitars. The bari tele sounds amazing at this tuning.



--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysenwww.perboysen.com<= /a>
http:= //www.youtube.com/perboysen

--20cf303bfc883c667304c24cf963-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 21:19:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DA74183462; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:19:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=TL799g/cqK5LvIFkYKHwtYaqwL70IK7nLmHn3uB3bV0=; b=vRl/GhyZaGaAt9puaEVxZwKdbCLzV0k11oxVMgTf+57FTQskRwWR6AdDEG47KLPrPG 2NEavqon+gEmaCtDHOa8+yTc4Q9ewzPiNuBTX9NjH/vAROCSIHReVRwM8+Gf+mGoKW6L SvGzFOW5r+1YIzF6eaK/5IaLsE2UXniNymcShuERXRZhQp38pAEk/t7viVRG9dhCgs3v pgOaENjkbaJ+KUyZEBhSuoENxv1CL/iiahmH1qatcB0HxO728yLhwQ+DungA7qtPF4Zd DlFFaxWKJL4jufzcIhp18cJSJYIn9zdJVpcQ/qjFZ5L/UVjWPXu9FrJdfMpn9OrGbijm ReFw== Subject: Re: Found the optimal tuning/string guage (Re: Baryton guitar strings/tuning?) References: <16175994.1339534826998.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: Theweg Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-C10BDAC5-3F69-49D4-82DE-CD201E9FE9BA X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 17:19:03 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:19:05 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-C10BDAC5-3F69-49D4-82DE-CD201E9FE9BA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My Steinberger Transcale does that, longer neck too but the markings can be c= onfusing. Sent from my iPad On Jun 12, 2012, at 5:16 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi Stan, >=20 > I tune the Bari Neck Tele a whole step lower than normal guitar tuning. D G= C F A D. I think the longer scale in this higher tuning (for a baritone) wi= th .010 strings brings out the best qualities from the instrument. Sorry for= being unclear. >=20 > On Tuesday, June 12, 2012, wrote: > just so peeps like me understand Per-you mean you only drop one string dow= n to D right? thats what drop D means to me-or are you tuning all strings do= wn a whole step? or are you open tuning to D ? >=20 >=20 > > > >Hi GAng, > > > >Just a short note to thank everybody that posted helpful ideas for > >stringing/tuning my Telecaster that recently received a baritone neck > >(fretted). After a lot of experimenting I have settled with ordinary > >guitar tuning lowered one whole tone; i.e. drop-D. The reason I drop > >it down is that I want to use .010 set strings, which is what I use on > >regular guitars. The bari tele sounds amazing at this tuning. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 --Apple-Mail-C10BDAC5-3F69-49D4-82DE-CD201E9FE9BA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
My Steinberger Transcale does that, longer neck too but the markings can be confusing.


Sent from my iPad

On Jun 12, 2012, at 5:16 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Stan,

I tune the Bari Neck Tele a whole step lower than normal guitar tuning. D G C F A D. I think the longer scale in this higher tuning (for a baritone) with .010 strings brings out the best qualities from the instrument. Sorry for being unclear.

On Tuesday, June 12, 2012, wrote:
just so peeps like me understand Per-you mean you only drop one string down to D right? thats what drop D means to me-or are you tuning all strings down a whole step? or are you open tuning to D ?


>
>Hi GAng,
>
>Just a short note to thank everybody that posted helpful ideas for
>stringing/tuning my Telecaster that recently received a baritone neck
>(fretted). After a lot of experimenting I have settled with ordinary
>guitar tuning lowered one whole tone; i.e. drop-D. The reason I drop
>it down is that I want to use .010 set strings, which is what I use on
>regular guitars. The bari tele sounds amazing at this tuning.



--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen

--Apple-Mail-C10BDAC5-3F69-49D4-82DE-CD201E9FE9BA-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 21:45:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB9DC183462; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:45:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_3b602a61-1e1b-412a-9f16-b8d831aa3199_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Found the optimal tuning/string guage (Re: Baryton guitar strings/tuning?) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:45:24 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <16175994.1339534826998.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2012 21:45:24.0846 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC8FC8E0:01CD48E4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:45:26 +0000 (UTC) --_3b602a61-1e1b-412a-9f16-b8d831aa3199_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Intresting=2C I have used 27" guitars (soloway) for a few years that i usua= lly tune in standard E tuning=2C or sometimes in open G or D. I also someti= mes tune down a whole step as you do to D... but tuned down permanently I w= ould probabbly use 011 strings.. The 27" scale lenght gives me better inton= ation=2C better upper fret playability (the fingers have more room) and a m= uch former=2C deeper sound on the low strings.. to me longer scale sounds b= etter..=20 Date: Tue=2C 12 Jun 2012 23:16:01 +0200 Subject: Re: Found the optimal tuning/string guage (Re: Baryton guitar stri= ngs/tuning?) From: perboysen@gmail.com To: stanitarium@earthlink.net CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Hi Stan=2C I tune the Bari Neck Tele a whole step lower than normal guitar tuning. D G= C F A D. I think the longer scale in this higher tuning (for a baritone) w= ith .010 strings brings out the best qualities from the instrument. Sorry f= or being unclear. On Tuesday=2C June 12=2C 2012=2C wrote: just so peeps like me understand Per-you mean you only drop one string down= to D right? thats what drop D means to me-or are you tuning all strings do= wn a whole step? or are you open tuning to D ? > >Hi GAng=2C > >Just a short note to thank everybody that posted helpful ideas for >stringing/tuning my Telecaster that recently received a baritone neck >(fretted). After a lot of experimenting I have settled with ordinary >guitar tuning lowered one whole tone=3B i.e. drop-D. The reason I drop >it down is that I want to use .010 set strings=2C which is what I use on >regular guitars. The bari tele sounds amazing at this tuning. --=20 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen = --_3b602a61-1e1b-412a-9f16-b8d831aa3199_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Intresting=2C I have used 27" guitars (soloway) for a few years that i usua= lly tune in standard E tuning=2C or sometimes in open G or D. I also someti= mes tune down a whole step as you do to D... but tuned down permanently I w= ould probabbly use 011 strings.. =3B
The 27" scale lenght gives me = better intonation=2C better upper fret playability (the fingers have more r= oom) and a much former=2C deeper sound on the low strings.. to me longer sc= ale sounds better.. =3B

Date: Tue=2C 12 Jun 2012 23:16:01 +0200
Subje= ct: Re: Found the optimal tuning/string guage (Re: Baryton guitar strings/t= uning?)
From: perboysen@gmail.com
To: stanitarium@earthlink.net
CC= : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Hi Stan=2C

= I tune the Bari Neck Tele a whole step lower than normal guitar tuning. D G= C F A D. I think the longer scale in this higher tuning (for a baritone) w= ith .010 strings brings out the best qualities from the instrument. Sorry f= or being unclear.

On Tuesday=2C June 12=2C 2012=2C wrote:
just so = peeps like me understand Per-you mean you only drop one string down to D ri= ght? thats what drop D means to me-or are you tuning all strings down a who= le step? or are you open tuning to D ?


>=3B
>=3BHi GAng=2C
>=3B
>=3BJust a short note to thank everybody that posted helpful ideas for >=3Bstringing/tuning my Telecaster that recently received a baritone neck=
>=3B(fretted). After a lot of experimenting I have settled with ordinary<= br> >=3Bguitar tuning lowered one whole tone=3B i.e. drop-D. The reason I dro= p
>=3Bit down is that I want to use .010 set strings=2C which is what I use= on
>=3Bregular guitars. The bari tele sounds amazing at this tuning.



--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysenwww.perboysen.com<= /a>
http:= //www.youtube.com/perboysen

= --_3b602a61-1e1b-412a-9f16-b8d831aa3199_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 22:05:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4103183463; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:05:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=YTA6i9TE3PfDTWMvBLItsrz3wuUPkluAG9sJxQlNgxc=; b=LIfUk9UTDSIwBhRVpm9cqwoQjfsigTycsQJJgC9KXKA8gvYR8BbFdlBGFdeUS6EGXf G57aJ14POMPrknAD2tkgNUqebsjKDkK3Eai2pZ0vV7ehGslRl7JCJrGQYgEtupnfic3P OidxsxBuxjMZZ6Zo6OQKSwMcPxNZncYR79XAE90LVkCQrcqeTthe9yUPttICVrY4Zszw zDx7QgnLQS85pX4RkH6NTxCk4GnTphc0HL4v/a8xEkUb5tb4N3quHC6iSW9sdi7VL/G2 faO+iMjmmNq3I2CQx4hTu6XJxmT8936wjx8lbVsnaQVt7XRy0Caaglo2CnDbdrOes9XT DcXg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 00:05:35 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: hcWrpt0ketuTo93mtzGdhPwgFkc Message-ID: Subject: Re: Found the optimal tuning/string guage (Re: Baryton guitar strings/tuning?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba5bb961bbdf3e04c24dabe4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:05:57 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba5bb961bbdf3e04c24dabe4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Mark, I know you love your baritone. What strings and tuning are you > using for it? > I have 2 baritones Per. An OLP, which is some kind of cheap thing from Ernie Ball, This is my main guitar, its tuned to A, totally normal set of Baritone strings... this has 2 hexaphonic pickups and a Fernandez. I love this guitar..! Next purchase is to fit on to those country benders... what they called again...? The other is Gretch, and is a kind of Bass IV therfore is simply an octave down. Its cool cos it has a Bigsby... This still has stock pickups (Gretch mini Humbuckers, I dont know much about pickups but they seem to be crap... extremely low output, causing me to turn everything up till it hisses...) and a taped on Hex pickup... Its very pretty, but all I use this guitar for is, pretending to be a bass, and occasional ultra loud surf guitar stuff... Kinda Cramps meets White Stripes meets Ennio meets ... oh I dont know... who else could I meet??? Um.. OH OH OH.. who knows Cop Shoot Cop..? Insanely cool band from NYC... 2 basses, one high one low... Yeah.. THATS what I play this guitar like... never looped it... -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --90e6ba5bb961bbdf3e04c24dabe4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
Mark, I know you love your baritone. What strings and tuni= ng are you
using for it?

I have 2 baritones Per.
An OLP= , which is some kind of cheap thing from Ernie Ball, This is my main guitar= , its tuned to A, totally normal set of Baritone strings... this has 2 hexa= phonic pickups and a Fernandez. I love this guitar..! Next purchase is to f= it on to those country benders... what they called again...?

The other is Gretch, and is a kind of Bass IV therfore is simply an oct= ave down. Its cool cos it has a Bigsby... This still has stock pickups (Gre= tch mini Humbuckers, I dont know much about pickups but they seem to be cra= p... extremely low output, causing me to turn everything up till it hisses.= ..) and a taped on Hex pickup... Its very pretty, but all I use this guitar= for is, pretending to be a bass, and occasional ultra loud surf guitar stu= ff... Kinda Cramps meets White Stripes meets Ennio meets ... oh I dont know= ... who else could I meet???

Um.. OH OH OH.. who knows Cop Shoot Cop..? Insanely cool band from NYC.= .. 2 basses, one high one low... Yeah.. THATS what I play this guitar like.= .. never looped it...


--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--90e6ba5bb961bbdf3e04c24dabe4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 22:08:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07B6E183463; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:08:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=oQjRClfUYHM09N9bdIkPx6BKGvinzOIG0WCCNqLK0BY=; b=pPNbkYEDGGHCnK9o7XQprLRMaIiQIBrm4I5DQ35O4DrF3b3P7ku0bDgMDA3OOHB0Gf mo8qOUsOAE+zraXIZvlnMk8Y5qNs6uL8SR5ragVcZMMU5KL+PyjLr7DU3HIVXmXTI5Oo sLFV/JlH8M/7rnTnvydDiFCioOxa9LiezV0zlzwMDkHoHx4FV1BVrnIGXEkx51xOSmvp Q/YTnLzfQATaw0deiD5IQSHbWFIhgGJmq7bv1eHYXKvpJ5zw+qfPz1WaKlUTiMjf6/CA XDxRDX3TGjJFpT77SAGvj/YpttXbxkMN1Do20f7C/Pd+xnISzsK5K9RSWo4DkQhLO6Or Iuuw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 00:08:11 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: fftrIebaEZJJjxUtY-kAdu6ETEY Message-ID: Subject: Re: Found the optimal tuning/string guage (Re: Baryton guitar strings/tuning?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec52be913fb62b704c24db48d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:08:32 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec52be913fb62b704c24db48d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I dont need to correct BassVI do I.. no I thought not... On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:05 AM, mark francombe wrote: > On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> Mark, I know you love your baritone. What strings and tuning are you >> using for it? >> > > I have 2 baritones Per. > An OLP, which is some kind of cheap thing from Ernie Ball, This is my main > guitar, its tuned to A, totally normal set of Baritone strings... this has > 2 hexaphonic pickups and a Fernandez. I love this guitar..! Next purchase > is to fit on to those country benders... what they called again...? > > The other is Gretch, and is a kind of Bass IV therfore is simply an octave > down. Its cool cos it has a Bigsby... This still has stock pickups (Gretch > mini Humbuckers, I dont know much about pickups but they seem to be crap... > extremely low output, causing me to turn everything up till it hisses...) > and a taped on Hex pickup... Its very pretty, but all I use this guitar for > is, pretending to be a bass, and occasional ultra loud surf guitar stuff... > Kinda Cramps meets White Stripes meets Ennio meets ... oh I dont know... > who else could I meet??? > > Um.. OH OH OH.. who knows Cop Shoot Cop..? Insanely cool band from NYC... > 2 basses, one high one low... Yeah.. THATS what I play this guitar like... > never looped it... > > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --bcaec52be913fb62b704c24db48d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I dont need to correct BassVI do I.. no I thought not...

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:05 AM, mark francombe <ma= rk@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10= :45 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark, I know you love your baritone. What strings and tuning are you using for it?

I have 2 baritones Per.
= An OLP, which is some kind of cheap thing from Ernie Ball, This is my main = guitar, its tuned to A, totally normal set of Baritone strings... this has = 2 hexaphonic pickups and a Fernandez. I love this guitar..! Next purchase i= s to fit on to those country benders... what they called again...?

The other is Gretch, and is a kind of Bass IV therfore is simply an oct= ave down. Its cool cos it has a Bigsby... This still has stock pickups (Gre= tch mini Humbuckers, I dont know much about pickups but they seem to be cra= p... extremely low output, causing me to turn everything up till it hisses.= ..) and a taped on Hex pickup... Its very pretty, but all I use this guitar= for is, pretending to be a bass, and occasional ultra loud surf guitar stu= ff... Kinda Cramps meets White Stripes meets Ennio meets ... oh I dont know= ... who else could I meet???

Um.. OH OH OH.. who knows Cop Shoot Cop..? Insanely cool band from NYC.= .. 2 basses, one high one low... Yeah.. THATS what I play this guitar like.= .. never looped it...


--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>



--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--bcaec52be913fb62b704c24db48d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 22:11:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5841183460; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:11:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=8LfnSa1jycI1aautp/k38fxwT/O7VXVhuWlZ0+NRWPI=; b=zG5YN41C/fWiGke2ZtzVbEjlYjsdaT0MZcvt/aPhOeBZQB8rK+GpWiERRItt/+Q73s KFVfhYD8JU80joUgEeW3baQFGmCK2oTv00GsrSFFtIZoT2Q+YLWUtiMV4lRn40JJzayr kW92TTnUZ50StYLJfwX5TzV3XXh+iSc0fiKigH/sF0xWhg1z32+21veee3Lia6LxcM3n bXcQt2jm+xBO3NzPXPQ+mDRTu6rU3D7qxBawMQv6RzV7EdSQ9kKOYRG5C5kdVdwyopVs iAbY9RYzn+j3TvkGepO1uW24qta7O5bIHpnMZLbrECO+qtYrwanE1TdWIk1ah2YDnRMT 6n6w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 00:11:41 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Found the optimal tuning/string guage (Re: Baryton guitar strings/tuning?) From: Per Boysen To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0050450170344b83d104c24dc030 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:11:41 +0000 (UTC) --0050450170344b83d104c24dc030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Yes, Anders, I've allways liked your sound (and plating) and this baritone replacement neck brought my tele into the land of the singing longnecks. Have not tried flats on bari scale, Patrick, but it would probably sound good too. But this is a tele with P-90 style bridge PU and flats would make that too smooth for my taste. I like flats for fretless though and the day I can aquire a fretless 27"-30" I will definitely use flats! On Tuesday, June 12, 2012, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > Intresting, I have used 27" guitars (soloway) for a few years that i > usually tune in standard E tuning, or sometimes in open G or D. I also > sometimes tune down a whole step as you do to D... but tuned down > permanently I would probabbly use 011 strings.. > The 27" scale lenght gives me better intonation, better upper fret > playability (the fingers have more room) and a much former, deeper sound on > the low strings.. to me longer scale sounds better.. > > ------------------------------ > Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:16:01 +0200 > Subject: Re: Found the optimal tuning/string guage (Re: Baryton guitar > strings/tuning?) > From: perboysen@gmail.com > To: stanitarium@earthlink.net > CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Hi Stan, > > I tune the Bari Neck Tele a whole step lower than normal guitar tuning. D > G C F A D. I think the longer scale in this higher tuning (for a baritone) > with .010 strings brings out the best qualities from the instrument. Sorry > for being unclear. > > On Tuesday, June 12, 2012, wrote: > > just so peeps like me understand Per-you mean you only drop one string > down to D right? thats what drop D means to me-or are you tuning all > strings down a whole step? or are you open tuning to D ? > > > > > >Hi GAng, > > > >Just a short note to thank everybody that posted helpful ideas for > >stringing/tuning my Telecaster that recently received a baritone neck > >(fretted). After a lot of experimenting I have settled with ordinary > >guitar tuning lowered one whole tone; i.e. drop-D. The reason I drop > >it down is that I want to use .010 set strings, which is what I use on > >regular guitars. The bari tele sounds amazing at this tuning. > > > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen --0050450170344b83d104c24dc030 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, Anders, I've allways liked your sound (and plating) and this barit= one replacement neck brought my tele into the land of the singing longnecks= .=C2=A0

Have not tried flats on bari scale, Patrick, but= it would probably sound good too. But this is a tele with P-90 style bridg= e PU and flats would make that too smooth for my taste. I like flats for fr= etless though and the day I can aquire a fretless 27"-30" I will = definitely use flats!

On Tuesday, June 12, 2012, Anders Bergdahl wrote:
Intresting, I have used 27" guitars (soloway) for a few years that i u= sually tune in standard E tuning, or sometimes in open G or D. I also somet= imes tune down a whole step as you do to D... but tuned down permanently I = would probabbly use 011 strings..=C2=A0
The 27" scale lenght gives me better intonation, better upper fret pla= yability (the fingers have more room) and a much former, deeper sound on th= e low strings.. to me longer scale sounds better..=C2=A0

<= /div>
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:16:01 +0200
Subject: Re: Found the optimal= tuning/string guage (Re: Baryton guitar strings/tuning?)
From: perbo= ysen@gmail.com
To: stanitarium@earthlink.net
CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-deli= ght.com

Hi Stan,

I tune the Bari Neck Tele a whole step lowe= r than normal guitar tuning. D G C F A D. I think the longer scale in this = higher tuning (for a baritone) with .010 strings brings out the best qualit= ies from the instrument. Sorry for being unclear.

On Tuesday, June 12, 2012, wrote:
just so peeps like me understand Per-you = mean you only drop one string down to D right? thats what drop D means to m= e-or are you tuning all strings down a whole step? or are you open tuning t= o D ?


>
>Hi GAng,
>
>Just a short note to thank everybody that posted helpful ideas for
>stringing/tuning my Telecaster that recently received a baritone neck >(fretted). After a lot of experimenting I have settled with ordinary >guitar tuning lowered one whole tone; i.e. drop-D. The reason I drop >it down is that I want to use .010 set strings, which is what I use on<= br> >regular guitars. The bari tele sounds amazing at this tuning.



--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysenwww.perboysen.com<= /a>
http:= //www.youtube.com/perboysen



--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/p= erboysen

--0050450170344b83d104c24dc030-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 00:37:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02254183461; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 00:37:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-12-463415967 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Auto Swells Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 17:37:48 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 00:37:56 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-12-463415967 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Talking about swells,one thing that bothers me about them is that > cut off which happens randomly,i really prefer to use the guitar or > volume pedal with a delay to achieve that effect > by the way any interesting delay combinations with the M9 you d like > to share? When using the auto-volume/delay I have learned to control the effects of accidentally having notes with full attack ring out loudly because I had not been careful to dampen my strings before initiating the next swell, thats a technique thing, the more reckless i am about it, the more likely that is going to happen, but i've also learned to use it in interesting ways, for example with a long slope of the auto volume/delay preset (where I usually like to set the effect), I can start to play a repeating figure that I start to accelerate as I start to play it harder and the end result is the line swells in but if you keep playing hard it stays at the peak of the volume threshold so you will hear all of the attack as you continue playing the lick, I will usually stop a lick like that abruptly with some delay trail, which allows me to get back to the original volume starting point. as far as delays on the M-9 pretty much the same combo of stuff i've been using for a while now, my basic bank has as the first two options the auto volume delay and the reverse, the second two options are dynamic delay and sweep delay, and the last two options are two different stereo delays as I'm fond of setting complimentary beat sub divisions, which is how i get the variety out of multiple delays they are all synced to the tap tempo or midi clocked to my LP-1. I also use a volume pedal but i rarely take it out of the studio and i use my volume controls on my electric guitars and lap steels as well, often in concert with the AVD effect. but the thing is if I'm triggering commands on a midi pedal and working expression pedals for my effects as well i don't really have an extra leg for riding a volume pedal in the traditional way steel players do. Well my wife says i do but she is just being nice. On my normal gig rig where i do things like back up singer songwriters like in the band Dream Beach whose music is online, the principle songwriters have me play entire tunes using this effect which inhabits the same timbrel territory as a pedal steel guitar with out sounding necessarily country, its what has become for me an essential element in my sound.. Its why I'm hoping some one will come out with a true ADSR in a pedal, perhaps even with an expression pedal port so you could continually vary the attack rate if desired, or act as a strait volume pedal if so desired. In my looping rig I have an M5 running to a tc flashback and in to a time factor, in that rig both the time factor and the M5 are receiving midi clock from the Looperlative, the TC is not but is what I will use it as a texture in first loop creation and for delays i don't need to be locked to midi clock. lately I've been particularly found of using the flashback for a full 6 seconds of backwards delay and doing quantized captures on the looperlative of those sounds. Bill --Apple-Mail-12-463415967 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Talking = about swells,one thing that bothers me about them is that cut off which = happens randomly,i really prefer to use the guitar or volume pedal with = a delay to achieve that effect
by the way any = interesting delay combinations with the M9 you d like to = share?

When using = the auto-volume/delay I have learned to control the effects of = accidentally having notes with full attack ring out loudly because I had = not  been careful to dampen my strings before initiating the next = swell, thats a technique thing, the more reckless i am about it, the = more likely that is going to happen, but i've also learned to use it in = interesting ways, for example with a long slope of the auto volume/delay = preset (where I usually like to set the effect), I can start to play =  a repeating figure that I start to accelerate as I start to play = it harder and the end result is the line swells in but if you keep = playing hard it stays at the peak of the volume threshold so you will = hear all of the attack as you continue playing the lick, I will usually = stop a lick like that abruptly with some delay trail, which allows me to = get back to the original volume starting point. as far as delays on the = M-9 pretty much the same combo of stuff i've been using for a while now, = my basic bank has as the first two options the auto volume delay and the = reverse, the second two options are dynamic delay and sweep delay, and = the last two options are two different stereo delays as I'm fond of = setting complimentary beat sub divisions, which is how i get the variety = out of multiple delays they are all synced to the tap tempo or midi = clocked to my LP-1. I also use a volume pedal but i rarely take it out = of the studio and i use my volume controls on my electric guitars and = lap steels as well, often in concert with the AVD effect.  but the = thing is if I'm triggering commands on a midi pedal and working = expression pedals for my effects as well i don't really have an extra = leg for riding a volume pedal in the traditional way steel players do. = Well my wife says i do but she is just being nice. On my normal gig rig = where i do things like back up singer songwriters like in the band Dream = Beach whose music is online, the principle songwriters have me play = entire tunes using this effect which inhabits the same timbrel territory =  as a pedal steel guitar with out = sounding necessarily country, its what has become for me an = essential element in my sound.. Its why I'm hoping some one will come = out with a true ADSR in a pedal, perhaps even with an expression pedal = port so you could continually vary the attack rate if desired, or act as = a strait volume pedal if so desired. In my looping rig I have an M5 = running to a tc flashback and in to a time factor, in that rig both the = time factor  and the M5 are receiving midi clock from the = Looperlative, the TC is not but is what I will use it as a texture in =  first loop creation and for delays i don't need to be locked to = midi clock. lately I've been particularly found of using the flashback = for  a full 6 seconds of backwards delay and doing quantized = captures on the looperlative of those sounds.
Bill
= --Apple-Mail-12-463415967-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 07:15:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BA4018345E; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 07:15:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: Oomingmak question Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 09:15:11 +0200 Message-ID: <001101cd4934$459f3080$d0dd9180$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01CD4945.09280080" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1JNEVNoUdnTIMrQf6Yy+bi1MOh1A== Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 07:15:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CD4945.09280080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable has anyone come up with an Oomingmak setting that is smooth, a bit like = a Pat-Metheny-like GR300 sound? I wasn't successful so far but somehow = I think it should be possible =20 -Michael =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CD4945.09280080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

has anyone come up with an Oomingmak setting that is smooth, a bit like a = Pat-Metheny-like GR300 sound?=C2=A0 I wasn't successful so far but = somehow I think it should be possible

 

-Michael

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------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CD4945.09280080-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 07:38:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EF5C183474; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 07:38:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=POzNhwoF+KfZLz9p7QtjNSL3nYOVTJEtO0/mCP0r/28=; b=V5t6E7sArFU12AHj8kujtPL7OtHdLcOp2nfWcfkgSwIImnHzCQuDjAcwaNSbtOKoRH eZ8q2ApJ7RC2UhekjeyFo7l6kpR5FoLYgqu2roKmCTHr90UbBOuISIHTcyPjyetcVd3I c+Qu0s8UN0d/dR766SvfEs/kDnxLTRrXMtTDyRJqfGNcQo/CMlQu27LYkJZr/tiElJNy oMWLrIWEaEJnN5ti1Hu/wnp+FwZxlrdpm+Al2dHb9KmbjdSj1rvAAIeEpsq1OkAdFAgZ nuwprikVunyGF79pAUlzo7QAQ4UosDOgZmuRKP1pHglw7Xql14RXDbf2kIWRatWOZj1/ M84w== Subject: Re: Oomingmak question References: <001101cd4934$459f3080$d0dd9180$@de> From: Simeon Harris Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-488688288 X-Mailer: iPod Mail (8C148) In-Reply-To: <001101cd4934$459f3080$d0dd9180$@de> Message-Id: Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 08:38:57 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 8C148) Resent-Message-ID: <9P5-M.A.F7B.cNE2PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 07:38:04 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-488688288 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I tried and couldn't manage it. I think per has had some luck creating some g= ood sounds with it, but I don't think it that sort of plugin. You may have m= ore luck with WIDI and a softsynth.=20 Sent from my iPod On 13 Jun 2012, at 08:15, "Michael Peters" wrote: > has anyone come up with an Oomingmak setting that is smooth, a bit like a P= at-Metheny-like GR300 sound? I wasn't successful so far but somehow I think= it should be possible >=20 > =20 >=20 > -Michael >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 --Apple-Mail-1-488688288 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
I tried and couldn't manage it. I think= per has had some luck creating some good sounds with it, but I don't think i= t that sort of plugin. You may have more luck with WIDI and a softsynth.&nbs= p;

Sent from my iPod

On 13 Jun 2012, at 08:15, "Michael= Peters" <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:

has anyone come up with an Oomingmak s= etting that is smooth, a bit like a Pat-Metheny-like GR300 sound?  I wasn't s= uccessful so far but somehow I think it should be possible=

 

-Michael

 

 

= --Apple-Mail-1-488688288-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 09:14:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96125183462; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 09:14:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=mFC51m3NVCNgtZg9LbaH2c0o1UsMHVlag+jRtAaZHNs=; b=zI8eM7Krej9tMiqEQKvJmoLJZvTOiFt7eQbjOHSo9Fg2n9ly7uwI/t19G4RIYV30CV qkle50RlyjC3yidWyutxvnIwntNzVNAIDbDXIPSu2O/YpZJhP76aTjWhxlMTRcDL96uv zSvG7TFXzobGdeilZ+0YZhKVoRS1ZaVAC0x/C2KHKxSd2Dg5BJmrI8wQY3lU1soL2u4J 1JyaCLcXjcy134iZchJUIA4fHIWXyn1phPmZXSwA/+HFSNZ3BZZ/vEkrQxS2gwz8dGaS avlHC8TNois5SU/HC0ydHK22HmVltA3Q+SvXg6AeZfAzEF29o6eMpuwc0G+HTalJPpys s33Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <001101cd4934$459f3080$d0dd9180$@de> References: <001101cd4934$459f3080$d0dd9180$@de> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:14:01 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Oomingmak question From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 09:14:02 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > has anyone come up with an Oomingmak setting that is smooth, a bit like a > Pat-Metheny-like GR300 sound? Not me. I'm under the impression that Oomingmak is more suited for harscher sounds. The Matheney sound appears to be saw tooth with highs filtered down a bit and routed through compression. Oh, and important for the Matheny sound is also to apply a short attack slope. And the original GR300 did not track string vibrato, vibrato was applied by pushing a button to call in an LFO targeting pitch. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 09:25:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43F56183462; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 09:25:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=oMtg/WclzRTrgmefOrtaVG5AhO78bzzlkX0r3+0hEd4=; b=IodmDTjzdwLdo6tXOWP8Z5XXCsJKXPld8eFXvoT8VQvO148+Z+LU9PP0YHJR2GQGiZ XzhnmQOMsmTgDzDRt4GzexyIsOpZHpwwda7Fk91cHqauV7n+gl7FXHKDFy4O4loUB6zp tkk/Ey9VLoJHkr89oM5gEvXcOb7AyY0hSVM6m0EGfMm/6QTSZHYVAlrmIIbhUWHQET6b nj+iXS/YPlux0lfEYZK51EUP/Mcfg0QTKrVxApurAM3Z3qMBI+iPnaUo3v7U+/A1plls a4UvTZ+7uCTj9qC7/oLgzolMipnmvWV5fP8PtOq/9rxjfdd/6W0C5zHgbrrvua1CJr8O 0LLg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <001101cd4934$459f3080$d0dd9180$@de> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:25:49 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Oomingmak question From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <_4XGEB.A.M1C.eyF2PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 09:25:50 +0000 (UTC) Michael Peters wrote > Oomingmak I like to run the Oomingmak through some filterbank plugin to make the synth sound more lively. Kind of the opposite synth sound aesthetics than the "vacuum cleaner like" GR300 Matheney tone :-) The signal chain for the sound clip linked below was: Audio instrument input --> Oomingmak --> FilterFreak2 --> Volume pedal (send effect in parallel was reverb by EchoBoy. Volume pedal also assigned to increase EchoBoy reverb feedback when lowering the signal level, ie reversed cross fade programming of parmeter control) https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4963264/sticktronix_diabolica.mp3 Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 13:24:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5CA0183462; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 13:24:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=NLXIaEaQdh5vutvn1P48sU2ftaVVFeN77/qmMWhzMig=; b=RyzZ7AdhNXN81oheh814ZCfemjgNwh9Lgf7x3Ro6tkMqBbQDMVvCnWTLSc1pif3ua1 1t0YMvvmHsL9ZlD/gNPdJv8bntW6pgifA5r3XWFcjsuh1/SODKquiRnVQBE00+nOL9er Po5sL3IRUh/svdwbLlpRCH3HL0seLR0TDgwutXTdjbW+7NwvgGtmBmtf9bL5Pr4nbcdo sisKaqcNe8eCCOShRViq5Yt/v7I8RKQoPU/spOUH0sbxihZwrtARgDGhZLbsr+aPsjl+ p5078LogXCzguf0Z6mQJqYWW6LyZ+Zh8YaiPlHv3P8XprzfFrnCyKxJUQZOzOnS91dhE LmoQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 14:24:40 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: reaktor in ableton From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <_Jk2xC.A.upE.aSJ2PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 13:24:42 +0000 (UTC) i know this is probably a long shot, but does anyone know how to get reaktor ensembles like "lurker" working in ableton live? even with the transport running, lurker doesn't wanna play nice and run it's sequencer. works fine in logic, btw. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 16:19:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91BAD183464; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:19:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=LQyyCPTCBqZfufjkMd/yhZZNTC8eMkJPkG1uiiElUhU=; b=FYyMsnMVaupidlvoBQpvTd/SstOjLrw0ZcRBF7s7qebtxHPZ9sBxzFrOaqoodIxwK3 1UR/Fuo12T27qPtJ8Xxn+DqELGk+xykMjq7jklAEPX8sjAG/4fHNM19XyjG3ox4pE9vE QjWlUiR6kATAuvBWyfwvh4TFR4QE2oKQJfSq11EyzU7Atec/j1CRJmojX54WBgpVj/q0 6sHc67E29y4jEchGaefcY1P25GoxhI157ZtrVhw8PerzJq/leASLiXjo36SRatOk/EoS xYWuxTFA7VO5Jl+N2fq5PcGNWK05deh6ELyS9y5gOweZ0brWSYS+zXKW+5lGUUpc2eoO C7kg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:19:03 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: reaktor in ableton From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:19:05 +0000 (UTC) solved. there was a problem with the ensemble file - it was corrupted somehow - i loaded a different version and it's fine On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: > i know this is probably a long shot, but does anyone know how to get > reaktor ensembles like "lurker" working in ableton live? even with the > transport running, lurker doesn't wanna play nice and run it's > sequencer. works fine in logic, btw. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 18:53:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60AC7183460; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 18:53:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_1e8725b5-54ae-4067-b180-1dee81851676_" X-Originating-IP: [92.224.174.103] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: Arrived! Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 18:53:43 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2012 18:53:45.0225 (UTC) FILETIME=[0655D790:01CD4A5F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 18:53:46 +0000 (UTC) --_1e8725b5-54ae-4067-b180-1dee81851676_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Got it! The Rang III is in my hands=2C and the side car too! I am very excited.Soon I will try to find time to experiment!Damn jut today= is birthday of a friend and I will have no time=2C tomorrow other birthday= !They could have been born on monday... :D Sergio = --_1e8725b5-54ae-4067-b180-1dee81851676_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Got it!

The Rang III is in my hands=2C and the side car = too!

I am very excited.
Soon I will try = to find time to experiment!
Damn jut today is birthday of a frien= d and I will have no time=2C tomorrow other birthday!
They could = have been born on monday... :D

Sergio
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= --_1e8725b5-54ae-4067-b180-1dee81851676_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 19:55:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D9C718345D; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 19:55:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=IkRY831/gpOOO3Z/P+/5NU3cQ5sBBiBf6gceTNpJgLxsjn2yKgeL6o64AuifIezc; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <4FD29476.9090105@cruzio.com> <1CEE54C1-28FD-4DB9-87FE-45B4D45ED747@sea.plala.or.jp> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:54:53 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Tuneyards Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79319c41348205b41d959f182187d88d91350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: <0BpvRD.A._9D.cGk2PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 19:55:08 +0000 (UTC) Live looping band. Worth checking out! http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2011/11/11/tuneyards-live/ -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 20:22:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAF20183462; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 20:22:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=6ih7E2uAWcH36SNXsTKaUBw7ZEpEuSDRPq4wRwLZmg8=; b=AHWZMzFklOJVn6F9hHv0ADxbGMPDAjNNmYd0Yflmrgyg4B5pyXgT4kXuBnbkyXNmgX BC7zxgHZ6pfmF3/NBiXWQUF69KwlD0ef6lFCXtF+7hh850SBfeLUFWKLk0e/Si5yJS08 8tkjR88zWJU3dJ4pfLeBI2qgkErGvAKZxppsCE+Nug9FOO0YlvX+8bbOMiB7qX4QqOZQ aNpjZyIj4WkbgBhxgWTfmFtLBhyJIJXASdk9CO3O99BFRoSsSvw5YR1k8QepV/qsPrzH SScxIlq7fdnVCruJv0QNQYib2ODiMdWhaf/oNpo2BW6OckkDj6/qq9nWoZJNKwI8XjDJ fuuQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4FD29476.9090105@cruzio.com> <1CEE54C1-28FD-4DB9-87FE-45B4D45ED747@sea.plala.or.jp> From: todd reynolds Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 16:21:48 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Tuneyards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c11a472fe9404c27475c3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 20:22:30 +0000 (UTC) --0015174c11a472fe9404c27475c3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i've played with Merrill, solo and looping. She is truly great, and the best of all at looping with a mic! and I mean, the pedal board is wicked simple, just ingenious. All old looping boxes and boss pedals, and only 4 or them total if I remember correctly. AND I'd not want to forgo the opportunity to say that she's a lovely, thoughtful, committed person. Pretty much as authentic as one can get. What you see is what you get. The 'band' is great, but it's really all her in the design and the composition (and the looping really) T. On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Charles Zwicky wro= te: > Live looping band. Worth checking out! > > http://minnesota.publicradio.**org/display/web/2011/11/11/** > tuneyards-live/ > > > > > > -- > > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > http://www.esession.com/**ChuckZwicky > > http://albumcredits.com/zmix > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =95 *The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011* - Amazon.com =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://toddreynolds.com http://twitter.com/digifiddler http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://facebook.com/toddreynolds http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds need me right away? Call or text me at 917.576.6166 --0015174c11a472fe9404c27475c3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i've played with Merrill, solo and looping. =A0
She is truly great,= and the best of all at looping with a mic! =A0and I mean, the pedal board = is wicked simple, just ingenious. =A0All old looping boxes and boss pedals,= and only 4 or them total if I remember correctly.

AND I'd not want to forgo the opportunity to say th= at she's a lovely, thoughtful, committed person. =A0Pretty much as auth= entic as one can get. What you see is what you get. The 'band' is g= reat, but it's really all her in the design and the composition (and th= e looping really)


T.

On = Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net= > wrote:
Live looping band. Worth checking out!

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/= web/2011/11/11/tuneyards-live/





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http://www.zmix.net
http://ww= w.esession.com/ChuckZwicky

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=95 The Best Classical Music of=A0= the Year, 2011 - Amazon.com

=95=A0Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now avail= able wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however!=A0=

need me right away? =A0Call or text me at 917.576.6166



--0015174c11a472fe9404c27475c3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 20:30:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C578183465; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 20:30:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=1tSl47ywYPVFaJw/x0v5Vqy9HHrdevsvyvTubgzyWt4=; b=0zOL5BiFjorrxXR3UkLf+B/ngYbzJf8bIpPiCvw40L34NkkulEB8AzLZn047Ry9e49 zHppm1IUkJIJ0KYQRJlApJkg9KROWtgEuwJmTfk5VfaJmNWCKiGf5pJ8W034f+/Zfs9r VLEDBtarmLi5o1XlhDMblUxQ8x2WZ4pbZmE5wGOauz7x5mHsOfWJKk9f41B8DMac2FMi hug5kcLc/1NLNFmuPBez062jjftZEn+JXfLdIisSfWwz4CNecLtZcM469kEWfw3rL4ic lqyy4H5QyxOv+EMTaKMW8OIaOp2nURWJ37tnJbIeTQ1ZNLZfxzIYBaUrLvOb+5OnB8OL 9oWw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4FD29476.9090105@cruzio.com> <1CEE54C1-28FD-4DB9-87FE-45B4D45ED747@sea.plala.or.jp> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:30:06 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Tuneyards From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 20:30:07 +0000 (UTC) Very inspiring! I just watched an online concert with Norah Johnes + band and now this. Can't get better!!! Such an attack she has. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > Live looping band. Worth checking out! > > http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2011/11/11/tuneyards-live/ > > > > > > -- > > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky > > http://albumcredits.com/zmix > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 00:23:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 649FE183460; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 00:23:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FDA808D.3010205@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 20:23:41 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 00:23:45 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on mindSpiral. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "it's come 2 this" on Atomic City Records. The Focus page is at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#jun Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 02:43:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D8C8183460; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 02:43:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=aCKrm/KT4SQ43rc7YFFxilncMaeSL9z7PCkVAqTMuNkqxlymwSL1ZKxi/xH1tu30; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <19573332.1339728221278.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 21:43:40 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Grant Reply-To: Grant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tuneyards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 4627597e215714c3ca853a8129e90869f402879cecb40bd53ec3a0d067c770e1a3b82d54c5b1b8478484581d2ae73bf5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 02:43:52 +0000 (UTC) -----Original Message----- >From: Charles Zwicky >Sent: Jun 14, 2012 2:54 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Tuneyards > >Live looping band. Worth checking out! > >http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2011/11/11/tuneyards-live/ > > > > > >-- > >... >http://www.zmix.net > >http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky > >http://albumcredits.com/zmix > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 03:22:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6963B183460; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 03:22:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 426 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 03:22:45 UTC X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 23:15:30 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: Tuneyards In-Reply-To: References: <4FD29476.9090105@cruzio.com> <1CEE54C1-28FD-4DB9-87FE-45B4D45ED747@sea.plala.or.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20120615031538.A3473411A@smtp1.wightman.ca> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 03:22:45 +0000 (UTC) Wow, just purchased the recording online, a real pleasure to listen to! Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca Ontario, Canada At 03:54 PM 6/14/2012, you wrote: >Live looping band. Worth checking out! > >http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2011/11/11/tuneyards-live/ > > > > > >-- > >... >http://www.zmix.net > >http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky > >http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 21:34:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0804318345A; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 21:34:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=eWzREyJhyNEf/3P0IXi69PA00HFAfvgFA+NC6gtTRF0=; b=C9baPo6HJOJICW6DqWeHcQ0d4oJPrvV8tD8PPnLwl9t04/MYkrshLk9mj0HKI4uaWF d37L4QQD70dBH9ILZeXZnPT5JyvrOBFcwFUK5A7FGFKwJPwtoksGMCtz03/rbIUIYm// G8qIcv19jABF0G8+1iOGUtL6Z5K1etEwGcXbXsUObef4XXQTTAIy4nixNhHx22iiOKzc w/kxGAz6HN6TBJEQq6QVROB6A0ldYSuUdmj+6S1kZDyhv9mvKZ07mLxxlEXIXbdm8dp3 xDUwaPwPZPZ/oxgd/y9dDgaK+jmsJIJVbYWmQdvZGaYilocqOPofBL48UUnJ7uslliF5 3iaQ== Subject: Re: Multi-channel Granular Loops References: <76768D9C-13D0-4D54-910F-0301AC6FC3FC@charter.net> From: Todd Matthews Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 17:34:31 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 21:34:35 +0000 (UTC) Thank you for Ricky for sharing your sights, sounds, and concepts! I loved b= oth clips! Todd Matthews On Jun 1, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Ricky Graham wrote= : > I put together a blog entry on the visual. Should clarify some of the > concepts. Enjoy! > http://rickygraham.com/blocks-visualising-data-in-gem-pd >=20 > On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Ricky Graham > wrote: >> Pd is very much the same as Max/MSP (except it isn't as pretty and >> doesn't cost any $$$) >>=20 >> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Ricky Graham >> wrote: >>> Thanks guys. Glad it comes across as "human," Ted. It is the most >>> important aspect. >>>=20 >>> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Jim Goodin w= rote: >>>> Ricky that's beautiful sound, emotions and visuals. Like the visual el= ement >>>> of the imagery and the 'live' of your performance below. >>>>=20 >>>> Jimricku >>>>=20 >>>> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Ted Killian I= >>>> wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Intriguing. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Very much enjoyed the music and the visuals. >>>>>=20 >>>>> I understand you are using PureData (which is sort of like MaxMSP, whi= ch I >>>>> use). >>>>>=20 >>>>> Very creative use of technology that still manages to sound warm and h= uman >>>>> (I think). >>>>>=20 >>>>> On May 29, 2012, at 6:51 AM, Ricky Graham wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> Hi Guys, >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Some granular looping etc. in this excerpt from the most recent >>>>>> multi-channel gig: http://youtu.be/PL-DNUQazRw >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Please enjoy! >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Ricky >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> jimgoodin.com - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive >>>> minimalism' >>>>=20 >>>> =46rom Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goo= din & >>>> Peter Th=C3=B6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF Internationa= l >>>>=20 >>>> Tips Across the Waters, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wi= re >>>> Ware. >>>>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 16 08:41:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1702618345E; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 08:41:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FDC46B9.4050507@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 04:41:29 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Thought Radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1SI20D.A.IsD.HbE3PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 08:41:43 +0000 (UTC) THOUGHT RADIO: http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio ======================================================================= My next stint on Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show, will be Saturday, June 16 at 6 am EDT/GMT-4. In Phase One, I will continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I host the show every other week. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 16 09:37:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FFB918345E; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 09:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0811677165==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120616093809.20028.71768.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 05:38:12 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Is It Possible or Just Plain Sci-fi: The Looper Pool Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 09:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0811677165== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello!=20Ever=20since=20about=202004,=20I've=20been=20having=20these=20drea= ms=20about=20a=20device=20(more=20or=20less=20an=20 exhibit).=20At=20first,=20it=20seemed=20like=20an=20extremely=20unrealistic= ,=20science-fiction=20dream,=20but=20with=20the=20 technology=20these=20days,=20I'm=20sure=20it=20can=20be=20done.=20It=20is= =20music=20sample=20and=20loop=20related,=20so=20that=20is=20 why=20I'm=20sending=20this=20article=20here.=20So,=20I=20will=20describe=20= the=20dream=20(or=20dreams)=20as=20if=20it=20is=20an=20 actual=20device,=20and=20I=20want=20you=20to=20tell=20me=20how=20plausible= =20it=20would=20be.=20It=20would=20require=20science=20and=20 tech=20people,=20and=20probably=20a=20lot=20of=20money. The=20exhibit=20includes=20a=20swimming=20pool.=20Outside=20of=20the=20swim= ming=20pool=20is=20a=20speaker=20box=20(people=20in=20the=20 pool=20can=20hear=20whatever=20sample=20is=20playing=20clearly).=20There=20= are=20sensors=20that=20can=20sense=20what=20is=20going=20on=20 in=20the=20water.=20The=20exhibit=20admin=20has=20sound=20samples=20(most= =20of=20them=20about=2030=20seconds=20long)=20on=20the=20 sound=20box.=20So,=20the=20user=20enters=20the=20exhibit,=20and=20the=20doo= rs=20open.=20The=20user=20selects=20one=20of=20however=20many=20 samples=20recorded=20on=20the=20box.=20When=20one=20is=20selected,=20the=20= user=20goes=20into=20the=20pool.=20After=20the=20sample=20 plays=20all=20the=20way=20through,=20it=20starts=20back=20over=20at=20the= =20beginning.=20But=20the=20looping=20of=20the=20Looper=20Pool=20is=20 much=20more=20than=20that.=20So,=20let's=20say=20that=20you=20want=20to=20p= lay=20a=20quarter-second=20sample=20over=20and=20over=20again=20 (live=20loop;=20it=20will=20not=20alter=20the=20recording).=20So,=20you=20h= ave=20your=20sample=20playing,=20and=20the=20word=20"Even"=20is=20on=20 your=20screen.=20=20This=20means=20that=20you=20have=20taken=20an=20even=20= number=20of=20sips=20out=20of=20the=20pool.=20(Yes,=20sipping=20out=20of=20= the=20 pool!)=20Smaller=20sips=20are=20smaller=20samples;=20a=20small=20sip=20is= =20a=20quarter-second,=20a=20big=20 gulp=20is=20more=20like=20a=20half=20of=20a=20second.=20So,=20you=20want=20= to=20play=20back=20a=20quarter=20of=20a=20second-long=20loop,=20 and=20you=20want=20it=20to=20be=20ten=20seconds=20into=20the=20sample.=20As= =20soon=20as=20the=20sample=20starts=20over=20from=20the=20beginning,=20 count=20ten=20seconds=20in.=20Right=20where=20you=20want=20the=20loop,=20ta= ke=20a=20tiny=20sip.=20The=20word=20on=20the=20screen=20 changes=20to=20"Odd,"=20for=20one=20(as=20in=20one=20sip)=20is=20an=20odd= =20number.=20When=20"Odd"=20is=20on=20the=20screen,=20 the=20quarter-second=20loop=20keeps=20on=20playing.=20When=20you=20want=20t= he=20sample=20to=20resume=20as=20normal=20(even),=20 take=20another=20sip=20of=20any=20size.=20Sip=20size=20only=20counts=20when= =20going=20from=20even=20to=20odd;=20odd=20to=20even=20 doesn't=20measure=20sip=20size.=20Remember,=20odd=20mode=20is=20the=20short= =20loop,=20even=20is=20the=20sample=20 playing=20normally.=20If=20you=20wanted=20a=20half-second=20loop=20of=20the= =20sound=20five=20seconds=20into=20the=20sample,=20you=20 would=20count=20five=20seconds,=20then=20take=20a=20big=20gulp.=20There's= =20your=20"Odd"=20mode,=20with=20a=20half=20of=20a=20 second=20of=20audio,=20starting=20from=20when=20you=20took=20the=20sip,=20l= ooping=20on=20and=20on.=20To=20make=20it=20even=20again,=20take=20a=20 sip=20(according=20to=20the=20dream,=20it=20was=20designed=20so=20even=20a= =20tiny=20sip=20can=20shut=20off=20a=20bigger=20sip's=20loop).=20So,=20 if=20you=20think=20taking=20a=20drink=20out=20of=20a=20swimming=20pool=20is= =20a=20little=20...=20awkward,=20there's=20another=20way=20to=20loop.=20 Putting=20your=20face=20underwater.=20Going=20underwater=20a=20little=20bit= =20is=20a=20short=20loop.=20The=20further=20down=20you=20go,=20the=20 longer=20the=20loop.=20When=20you=20stand=20back=20up,=20it=20goes=20back= =20to=20even=20mode.=20In=20the=20Looper=20Pool,=20there=20is=20 a=20faucet=20handle=20with=20a=20cap=20on=20it.=20When=20you=20take=20the= =20cap=20off,=20it=20will=20go=20into=20odd=20mode=20(make=20a=20loop).=20 The=20length=20of=20the=20loop=20is=20measured=20by=20how=20far=20the=20cap= =20hangs=20down=20from=20the=20faucet=20by=20the=20string.=20The=20string= =20that=20 makes=20sure=20that=20the=20cap=20doesn't=20go=20anywhere.=20When=20the=20c= ap=20is=20put=20back=20on=20the=20handle,=20it=20is=20even=20 again.=20If,=20for=20some=20reason,=20you=20have=20more=20than=20one=20"odd= =20enabler"=20in=20use=20(you're=20underwater=20with=20your=20sip=20count= =20 odd,=20or=20your=20cap=20is=20off=20while=20you're=20underwater,=20or=20you= r=20cap=20is=20off=20while=20your=20sip=20count=20is=20odd),=20 the=20box=20just=20shuts=20off,=20until=20you=20make=20sure=20there's=20one= =20odd=20enabler.=20Then=20your=20short=20loop=20will=20continue=20 playing.=20You=20undo=20it,=20and=20it's=20even=20again.=20So,=20how=20poss= ible=20would=20it=20be=20to=20make=20an=20exhibit=20like=20that?=20I=20 would=20definitely=20watch=20someone=20use=20it,=20and,=20eventually,=20I'd= =20use=20it=20myself. Tyler=20Z --===============0811677165==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 16 13:45:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C998718345D; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:45:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1eqDxlY1fvfOexKeNG+3vPGUV6Xowj7Lgk7crGsFcwA=; b=MO+NbRRB+bwVbBjn3y1ITAHH9CD+CQ1HXUG3NUU7WnskIv6I0o61ypOQEsz7f5zEh0 PHde2WOtnQv8LCpaLg6i+U4ygnllnFoi6/zWGKjwGeydocUZddyN6n5XLiZLEANzfP08 764t7jQmpvTXzwRO0oprVrKDfBb81cZOnSJdv+lUkcz+gQqDXYJzRDWM9p0RCWE9NpyL 6b1okrPCOr/QaDKg617oJoDi05faSeSIQp5qb5TSKYm4ZOZlkryiEY8W6bW4mMNAfwJ6 TR0WLuzp7h8wuz7ws0RnGXUzR00dUlmbLzDoDUMhWHhPd+OjbnaKrg+p70qpjnG1OXl2 abjw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <76768D9C-13D0-4D54-910F-0301AC6FC3FC@charter.net> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:45:09 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Multi-channel Granular Loops From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:45:11 +0000 (UTC) You're welcome Glad you enjoyed it! On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Todd Matthews wrot= e: > Thank you for Ricky for sharing your sights, sounds, and concepts! I love= d both clips! > > Todd Matthews > > On Jun 1, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Ricky Graham wr= ote: >> I put together a blog entry on the visual. Should clarify some of the >> concepts. Enjoy! >> http://rickygraham.com/blocks-visualising-data-in-gem-pd >> >> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Ricky Graham >> wrote: >>> Pd is very much the same as Max/MSP (except it isn't as pretty and >>> doesn't cost any $$$) >>> >>> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Ricky Graham >>> wrote: >>>> Thanks guys. Glad it comes across as "human," Ted. It is the most >>>> important aspect. >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Jim Goodin = wrote: >>>>> Ricky that's beautiful sound, emotions and visuals. =A0Like the visua= l element >>>>> of the imagery and the 'live' of your performance below. >>>>> >>>>> Jimricku >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Ted Killian I >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Intriguing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Very much enjoyed the music and the visuals. >>>>>> >>>>>> I understand you are using PureData (which is sort of like MaxMSP, w= hich I >>>>>> use). >>>>>> >>>>>> Very creative use of technology that still manages to sound warm and= human >>>>>> (I think). >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 29, 2012, at 6:51 AM, Ricky Graham wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Guys, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Some granular looping etc. in this excerpt from the most recent >>>>>>> multi-channel gig: http://youtu.be/PL-DNUQazRw >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please enjoy! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ricky >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> -- >>>>> jimgoodin.com - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive >>>>> minimalism' >>>>> >>>>> From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goo= din & >>>>> Peter Th=F6rn. =A0Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF Internation= al >>>>> >>>>> Tips Across the Waters, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and = Wire >>>>> Ware. >>>>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 16 17:04:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A27E0183460; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:04:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9QSmVZYleLU25DEbIVjcTwTg012peAE5gGNtzYLZjlE=; b=Ih8U09pMrLcw26UBVFR03TvJKABjA9Y5qpaFOyOwN4dgC6zBbh1AXJ7X7qlVUuVeeL SAvjZQGoWObf/poGh5s095WI2eFjOrb0gIz2Stmi/gOtRtYrr1bPKnyB0M+KXz+HJzOW pCApk3hVJXe+lEmhkP9s3damqnIfaKmLZl06m8o8kDh+R/9vFbnsNSjDXbI2t0GWDUXP 6919i2jhHIICt6U3Ymg5/i78fiyinFoYOi8yCt6nXJLsuRkQ2O3rdRfgc9aavGsIBAEx D2Lq8e/KpH+YaK+/TutfezkehK6B9gFu3NIzenmCvPqnLlaNJwdw4RcqqB4tx8fUb2Jl 3Iwg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <002301cd46f1$61e67bd0$25b37370$@de> References: <002301cd46f1$61e67bd0$25b37370$@de> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 11:04:35 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sonuus anyone? From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <_zFTJ.A.3CB.kyL3PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:04:36 +0000 (UTC) BTW, I REALLY did mean to post this earlier in this thread=85an audio example of using the SONUUS and an Audio-to-MIDI plugin inside of Bidule. http://audiozoloft.org/imagine/2012/04/28/hello-world/ =85that's to the blog post that explains briefly the setup (Castar Ministar, SONUUS GM2, Bidule, MBP and iPad driving synths). My interest was mainly in building some extended MIDI delay lines that could be drive by the guitar/GM2 interface. If you want to go direct to the audio, here's a direct link: http://audiozoloft.org/audio/28April_001.mp3 Best to all, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 4:11 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > I usually use a GK-2a and an Axon AX-50 for midi guitaring but I'm wonder= ing > if a Sonuus would do most of the same job with less hardware. It is > monophonic right? what does it do and what not, how good does it track? > -Michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 16 20:25:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6259183460; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:25:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=/iVN3HKZ2ip1oG9d1JZKR7ulYna3ewbVkqqtSditU4c=; b=nvkEftDGo2LUYlmMQ/fzn+gjoK+I9TZmKS9IJsi2oze5nIRDJzZoz1TRTne4wWlBqY xz3p5s2N6Lplc47bgbUknuEj90GcHWpVDCsmejWOcPKlIbXEUAL8chu8D4CF6Cjz50es j+MKPYo6ucV46nZh83WWg7kofjVQsf04k5P6TJ/S0TsAC4Yg3BfwBnSHM4OoV/gx1/7j +FPibjEuM+pXHqFk9TY4Fugl+61Z9Ef5INlFvVZWm2ewUJq1+/iPmL5FnzdJiZ4nJsmN xBi1z3v3aUh4HUI+ojJmdyaHpqZgkI+s0SKOaeYFkEElnkOLh810UcNcr7wcT27iuy48 qnAA== From: Todd Matthews Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Anybody need a Eventide Space? Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:25:29 -0400 Message-Id: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:25:32 +0000 (UTC) I always offer to loopers first before I turn to gearslutz or ebay to = sell. I'm looking to get rid of my Eventide Space. I paid 500 for it new but I = could let it go for 300.=20 I'm using a strymon bluesky now that I dig for my verb sounds. -------------------- Todd Matthews toddbass.com twitter: gtodd876 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 16 20:51:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E1C8183461; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:51:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=yKtPVYVk4IHa3bL+zZE/v7rFtTQwAw7ER+Ho8RtwQak=; b=Ka9qN9ul8t18TTwlKMrYGEAKo604YBGHpTJNuZ8LX+ZFHuNCCjjIeAhDTPbQ9QZGIZ v3QX+ijOH3Wb0TsNjb9JFaQuk+r+HvjpSHCSkdStKUj58v8zSlABAw7UlGFhidkDUziw snE2cpVV72vhvr0Tvo4GajVKlfkN43/pHIiZIHRkPHGFivp8Wl0GcznPCY9tgJuCrH7D tIGFpHtJqsSMi264lK6YGh0R3po7Azvz5bbxQcCkFc7u86Qu61V7Bo7V6h9yMR1osXfn P9xWAyye32I9I9ed/aHBqKKeGU06HRYC4evCXWiJeLHDtuFz3tcrIw23W7bb/9qpbFSu ArBQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 15:51:55 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Anybody need a Eventide Space? From: Marcus Kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175def2a6c78e204c29d1a71 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:51:57 +0000 (UTC) --0015175def2a6c78e204c29d1a71 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 hey, I might be interested. Still available? On Jun 16, 2012 3:25 PM, "Todd Matthews" wrote: > I always offer to loopers first before I turn to gearslutz or ebay to sell. > > I'm looking to get rid of my Eventide Space. I paid 500 for it new but I > could let it go for 300. > > I'm using a strymon bluesky now that I dig for my verb sounds. > -------------------- > Todd Matthews > toddbass.com > twitter: gtodd876 > > --0015175def2a6c78e204c29d1a71 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

hey, I might be interested. Still available?

On Jun 16, 2012 3:25 PM, "Todd Matthews&quo= t; <gtmatthews@gmail.com>= wrote:
I always offer to loopers first before I turn to gearslutz or ebay to sell.=

I'm looking to get rid of my Eventide Space. I paid 500 for it new but = I could let it go for 300.

I'm using a strymon bluesky now that I dig for my verb sounds.
--------------------
Todd Matthews
toddbass.com
twitter: gtodd876

--0015175def2a6c78e204c29d1a71-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 16 20:53:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59546183474; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:53:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=ERvDMKdmSmb3IF40BBKHH1UgKydUFeReMtrxu7gJfaA=; b=MOZnVfKUrsx3/Qshx+ftVRa1SSbBilgOoLXzwWikXiu3I55zyUQSFQo+s/J1lfGMWm qSxXvkgfzrRynLFfjoDodftqglQklfy5mx/uM7/N/zSD/yCBf+DRMU52drlyKUQq+S/q XSG40m4S1F4sM251jeh/mVhXabp1WNji0mweO22rO3qaJGGwTWBKkRbCoR415S5gukTI EVrYL9fq7oRPSH52ZbcqmeME5+8kTToE4U1ieqaz87cF535Q+F+Y1J/5nhq3ASNfMo+v +zljW5fwbZF/HLQhYxgHlhrvSRu2uf9y69YFyu5yQQr7aYkiuqwhw26f/GZDvypisuD0 Ve8w== From: Todd Matthews Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6D28E814-94C8-4E5D-9D3F-AA1AEFF8E559" Subject: Re: Anybody need a Eventide Space? Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:53:18 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: <37D33D03-D0CB-416B-AD53-1C9218EE98D0@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:53:22 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_6D28E814-94C8-4E5D-9D3F-AA1AEFF8E559 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hey Marcus, Yes your the first to ask. -------------------- Todd Matthews toddbass.com twitter: gtodd876 On Jun 16, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Marcus Kirby wrote: > hey, I might be interested. Still available? >=20 > On Jun 16, 2012 3:25 PM, "Todd Matthews" wrote: > I always offer to loopers first before I turn to gearslutz or ebay to = sell. >=20 > I'm looking to get rid of my Eventide Space. I paid 500 for it new but = I could let it go for 300. >=20 > I'm using a strymon bluesky now that I dig for my verb sounds. > -------------------- > Todd Matthews > toddbass.com > twitter: gtodd876 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_6D28E814-94C8-4E5D-9D3F-AA1AEFF8E559 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Hey = Marcus,

Yes your the first to ask.
toddbass.com
twitter: = gtodd876

On Jun 16, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Marcus Kirby wrote:

hey, I = might be interested. Still available?

On Jun 16, 2012 3:25 PM, "Todd Matthews" = <gtmatthews@gmail.com> = wrote:
I always offer to loopers first before I turn to gearslutz or ebay to = sell.

I'm looking to get rid of my Eventide Space. I paid 500 for it new but I = could let it go for 300.

I'm using a strymon bluesky now that I dig for my verb sounds.
--------------------
Todd Matthews
toddbass.com
twitter: gtodd876


= --Apple-Mail=_6D28E814-94C8-4E5D-9D3F-AA1AEFF8E559-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 16 20:57:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 921EF183473; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:57:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=QY7v3OH5KIAEvu88HoQpmlLyJ9OtLVrWjlkJ5+AEl6I=; b=LqjNkHaUO/m1mCiCWcsp/fokbF1/R3ymHP+07CP4L1GN7CAGgmrJKrgxuguRzBioKF fudbNb73BeVVy6UdzxwnHFOtz4L5XPy5xZnH8z6fg3vuQEReBixguuBEVUb5Qa0xHg8B 2LN7EAGEnSGGaMOtrYXpiW130hPhbG2PY2V+eyfHKpxf/Cpl/mvj2vwwWUUzfg94znIO Z+XLrG7JK46BUkYTmGtIA/dawTdexpzTx4xx7bn6ghXRM/C1WCut5pc22P1J2qUJuXHC ETzcT4wDsRdwO54LJ4TmqAOh99/xJzA0TD6/DHtw/C7/KaybIV7fI0vQFasyKCTAIGDD 28LA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:57:52 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: New Live Looping Video From: "kay'lon rushing" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0442815aac17fe04c29d2fd1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:57:53 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0442815aac17fe04c29d2fd1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihA25euvSJk&feature=youtube_gdata_player Let me know what you guys think. I tried not to twiddle with FX so much on this one and just jump right it. --f46d0442815aac17fe04c29d2fd1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihA25euvSJk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Let me know what you guys think. I tried not to twiddle with FX so much on this one and just jump right it.

--f46d0442815aac17fe04c29d2fd1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 17 00:24:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78FCB183463; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:24:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=jie/rT8Jp829B3vA3CWONn3XqgFQjjPSopYtEchCbGI=; b=ap8vq0xcYUlpq/2aLBJuMkNZzu8H36xynK/o6otXvM3vWUwFfACazVxmtghYCCO++u WK1F6neTAifCfRGuRPuxxPsgYB0IyPXZ48fN5D0MCXdWMdZ34+EFSpacivdxsix4N2ZA lxiFx14DEnuTRmqZNVfck8Ix8SwvYRLUJ3kxFhqGon3K3X7ir91IA4uhNpTY+6YBy6IQ zwOFnLlzedkabSOYR5c2xWoIGtgo5meOQxsq1fYHF36tdYzuIQqs5IbCTzsRPD5ablU3 +QLo3Lpq8Wdcblcdk/BsnFvhWT4MZX5xr96Gduj1Ybanqu8ClrQIv0sRftX9oqx//B5a Xy7Q== Subject: Re: Anybody need a Eventide Space? References: <37D33D03-D0CB-416B-AD53-1C9218EE98D0@gmail.com> From: Todd Reynolds Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-16D5CEEA-B4EB-4FBB-A346-C9A0C1A61826 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: <37D33D03-D0CB-416B-AD53-1C9218EE98D0@gmail.com> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:24:39 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:24:50 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-16D5CEEA-B4EB-4FBB-A346-C9A0C1A61826 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If marcus ends up not takin it, check me out.=20 Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Todd Matthews wrote: > Hey Marcus, >=20 > Yes your the first to ask. > -------------------- > Todd Matthews > toddbass.com > twitter: gtodd876 >=20 > On Jun 16, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Marcus Kirby wrote: >=20 >> hey, I might be interested. Still available? >>=20 >> On Jun 16, 2012 3:25 PM, "Todd Matthews" wrote: >> I always offer to loopers first before I turn to gearslutz or ebay to sel= l. >>=20 >> I'm looking to get rid of my Eventide Space. I paid 500 for it new but I c= ould let it go for 300. >>=20 >> I'm using a strymon bluesky now that I dig for my verb sounds. >> -------------------- >> Todd Matthews >> toddbass.com >> twitter: gtodd876 >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-16D5CEEA-B4EB-4FBB-A346-C9A0C1A61826 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
If marcus ends up not taki= n it, check me out. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 16= , 2012, at 4:53 PM, Todd Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Marcus,

Yes your the first to ask.
--------------------
T= odd Matthews
twitter: gtodd876

On Jun 16, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Marcus Kirby wrote:

hey, I might be= interested. Still available?

On Jun 16, 2012 3:25 PM, "Todd Matthews" <gtmatthews@gmail.com> wrote:
I always offer to loopers first before I turn to gearslutz or ebay to sell.<= br>
I'm looking to get rid of my Eventide Space. I paid 500 for it new but I cou= ld let it go for 300.

I'm using a strymon bluesky now that I dig for my verb sounds.
--------------------
Todd Matthews
toddbass.com
twitter: gtodd876


= --Apple-Mail-16D5CEEA-B4EB-4FBB-A346-C9A0C1A61826-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 17 02:08:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30E9918345E; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 02:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3x09@carlsonarts.com> X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 961068.68736.bm@omp1016.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1339898922; bh=HEbg7K7ACycJ+BIkEmYDEt2v1dQB4gjiKVOANnNaQMI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=020Nw4dcqGcNw4PBTiRTCJLtXTXMRF7PrzwkaoMDc99VD5soTq4L8hGWxluEKNNmgFcbF1bRSPVr4z/PhDZ3BsVjwjNYlPU3SWY887q7CdKaRy1OxYrORnJbmGu5YG/5NidbCBVAovXTWUJdGyT0QQYt1WAoGTzbc9ttV0HOhOA= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: ecAfq38VM1lDytWad9gqSLEZ_qIHUeng3iI22ImQYm2MRVi NXMc00bPAjdFBT.pC_N2.WakRqMCH.49X_4SegH9xZX5xc57ctdbUqnP23QY utD0lIrfJCUvPiiBGg1VmAbX3v4G84msxTqiurujxs8X3h3dnuYlJVZG0xf1 SQtUkqeaEo2eaduH6bmZouRt5NijGwWSMUeLfUPY_MCXzs1G5pOZA5m2Lkn0 0gVf8Tr11p97AWzcL4icHDtD5.oQpPmJViS_nDL9cI6eJKo_zRRS1ZqThNnD fsw8XTu.joLCO2gHHnv71ikDURkDkW1dRepSVc08cJJifu8kMXAM8rPVJIFo QtNPv3kP12YCix4arNQk6yjMJ.NIjWaaxPkayuUK5dnR6unvYhBY8bEaC749 1PGNk7Z3U9BRTRw-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F References: <37D33D03-D0CB-416B-AD53-1C9218EE98D0@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <2F04650C-A720-41F5-B698-70C5D14D5369@carlsonarts.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> Subject: OT: Fairlight Voicetracker VT-5 for sale Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:08:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 02:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Hello everybody, I have a Fairlight Voicetracfker VT-5 for sale in great condition. It = includes a carrying case and the user's manual. Also most of the = original cables. You can see the item on ebay Item number: 330742907317 I will ship overseas. peace,=20 michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 17 15:27:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EFBF18345A; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:27:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0811677165==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120617152759.14704.71768.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 11:28:00 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:27:06 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0811677165== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello!=20This=20would=20require=20a=20person=20skilled=20in=20radionomy.com= =20or=20any=20of=20those=20online=20 radio-stream=20programs.=20I=20could=20probably=20set=20it=20up=20myself.= =20I=20would=20have=20to=20learn=20a=20little.=20My=20idea=20 is=20an=20online=20radio=20station=20called=20LD=20Radio.=20It=20probably= =20wouldn't=20be=20live=20broadcasting,=20but=20 we=20would=20have=20a=20playlist.=20LD=20Radio=20would=20play=20songs=20fro= m=20the=20Looper's=20Delight=20disks,=20from=20the=20Y=20 2=20K=206=20loop=20fest=20for=20LD=2010th=20anniversary=20(even=20though=20= that=20link=20is=20gone=20from=20the=20LD=20home=20 page,=20Google=20it;=20you'll=20still=20find=20the=20LD=2010th=20anniversar= y=20recordings),=20videos=20from=20the=20 Livelooping=20Youtube=20channel=20converted=20to=20mp3=20using=20a=20site= =20like=20vidtomp3.com,=20 samples=20from=20the=20Looper's=20Delight=20file=20library=20(which=20works= ,=20finally!),=20whatever=20anyone=20sends=20in,=20and=20 artists=20that=20aren't=20even=20on=20Looper's=20Delight.=20Some=20songs=20= by=20common=20names=20(Britney=20Spears,=20 Cher,=20Kesha,=20Jason=20Derulo,=20DJ=20Wich)=20...=20one=20listen,=20and= =20you=20hear=20so=20many=20repeated=20(looped)=20 sounds=20that=20you=20think=20they=20lost=20their=20minds!=20So=20we=20migh= t=20throw=20in=20some=20pop=20music=20(as=20long=20as=20the=20pop=20songs= =20 we=20play=20have=20lots=20of=20looped=20samples),=20and=20indie=20musicians= =20not=20on=20LD=20(bigger=20name=20ones=20such=20as=20 Imogen=20Heap,=20Morcheeba,=20Tim=20Exile,=20etc.)=20to=20lesser-known=20on= es=20(Lizzie=20 Kazmierski,=20Asianglow,=20etc).=20Of=20course,=20all=20our=20Looper-deligh= ters=20will=20be=20heard=20on=20there=20 too;=20Per=20Boysen,=20Michael=20Peters,=20Andy=20Butler=20...=20you=20name= =20it,=20and=20it=20has=20loops=20(live=20or=20 not)=20in=20it,=20we'll=20play=20it! Tyler=20Z --===============0811677165==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 17 17:06:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E46EA18345A; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 17:06:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1115 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 17:06:51 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20120617152759.14704.71768.levelstar.mail@everest> References: <20120617152759.14704.71768.levelstar.mail@everest> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Revfever Subject: Re: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 09:47:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.newworldhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ubergadget.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 17:06:51 +0000 (UTC) TMK, the first thing to be required would be having to pay for a web hosting site for the radio station unless someone on LD already has something like that? There's a large selection of such sites to choose from and with a range of fees, But please, no "big name" pop artists. Those artists get and have gotten *enough* exposure (and $$) as it is, and there might(?) also be copyrights / royalties issues hassles involved as well from entities such as RIAA, ASCAP, BMI, etc. Also, whoever has the contract / registration/ etc in their name would be the party (parties) held responsible if some issues like that ever arose. Just my semi-knowledgeable / TMK two cents. I have a few years of previous radio broadcast experience under my belt but not with online stations, (not yet, at least) so maybe the issues of copyright / royalties do not apply to indy online stations? I dunno? I've never looked into that nor had any previous online radio experiences. Just the "regular" airwaves which are supposed to be (haha) "ours" and under the "guidance" and control of Thee Almighty FCC, here in the good ol' US of A. Cheers- Rev.Fever Portlandia http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult On Jun 17, 2012, at 8:28 AM, Tyler wrote: > Hello! This would require a person skilled in radionomy.com or any > of those online > radio-stream programs. I could probably set it up myself. I would > have to learn a little. My idea > is an online radio station called LD Radio. It probably wouldn't be > live broadcasting, but > we would have a playlist. LD Radio would play songs from the > Looper's Delight disks, from the Y > 2 K 6 loop fest for LD 10th anniversary (even though that link is > gone from the LD home > page, Google it; you'll still find the LD 10th anniversary > recordings), videos from the > Livelooping Youtube channel converted to mp3 using a site like > vidtomp3.com, > samples from the Looper's Delight file library (which works, > finally!), whatever anyone sends in, and > artists that aren't even on Looper's Delight. Some songs by common > names (Britney Spears, > Cher, Kesha, Jason Derulo, DJ Wich) ... one listen, and you hear so > many repeated (looped) > sounds that you think they lost their minds! So we might throw in > some pop music (as long as the pop songs > we play have lots of looped samples), and indie musicians not on LD > (bigger name ones such as > Imogen Heap, Morcheeba, Tim Exile, etc.) to lesser-known ones (Lizzie > Kazmierski, Asianglow, etc). Of course, all our Looper-delighters > will be heard on there > too; Per Boysen, Michael Peters, Andy Butler ... you name it, and > it has loops (live or > not) in it, we'll play it! > Tyler Z > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 17 17:15:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FE0918345E; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 17:15:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:references:in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to :from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=ZAjzNly9saRl4csZ2aLmOh+zt/8pVrcTYRWUnAjD04M=; b=smyO1zW2Xd+0hpP/RqCHQBudmo6aI982/95TQNJeCJWc7w8+bPKqibONSMOQAChdCw Ui+LGL/lkYD/ZNlvJvIb9tUH3QHWoAdTpA8rLT/PT7IIo3EvcpadFhREGGo5KSK2g/WY brZQjJrWHFGro6EOwihAK3s3jbE1AGvEYD9d1qkjOlHuK9gpbC9PnKCs8FF8guDRvb81 w1zfCgr8U/eROiMHm6YK20aDC/oL+qCWGO+Bq3gkdOiN2YMqYp64c87027R403dqKRzc J05FspnlEiSmS9LoFXHC4mbv4B1JU+gOapml9a19iV/pf9zo7sZsrULw0INv8DzFYKIM Ts3A== X-rim-org-msg-ref-id:1552730982 Message-ID:<1552730982-1339953337-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1865866483-@b3.c28.bise6.blackberry> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Reply-To: jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com X-Priority: Normal References: <20120617152759.14704.71768.levelstar.mail@everest> In-Reply-To: Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal Subject: Re: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? 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charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 17:17:05 +0000 (UTC) U2VuZGluZyBvdXQgSGFwcHkgRmF0aGVycyBkYXkgdG8gYWxsIGluIHRoZSBjb21tdW5pdHkgaGVy ZS4NCg0KSmltDQpTZW50IG9uIHRoZSBTcHJpbnSuIE5vdyBOZXR3b3JrIGZyb20gbXkgQmxhY2tC ZXJyea4= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 17 19:03:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0AF818345B; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 19:03:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 776718498/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.190.93/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.190.93 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAMso3k9V0r5d/2dsb2JhbAANOLhyAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBv0KOWIMbA5Y2hC+NHQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,427,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="776718498" Message-ID: <4FDE2A19.4090501@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 20:03:53 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? References: <20120617152759.14704.71768.levelstar.mail@everest> In-Reply-To: <20120617152759.14704.71768.levelstar.mail@everest> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 19:03:40 +0000 (UTC) Hi Tyler, we already have a radio type media player at livelooping.org ...but that's for live looping exclusively. If you wanted to run an "all kinds of looping" station on LD then you're welcome to use my code if you'd like. It's in PHP and requires a MYSQL database. regards andy Tyler wrote: > Hello! This would require a person skilled in radionomy.com or any of those online > radio-stream programs. I could probably set it up myself. I would have to learn a little. My idea > is an online radio station called LD Radio. It probably wouldn't be live broadcasting, but > we would have a playlist. LD Radio would play songs from the Looper's Delight disks, from the Y > 2 K 6 loop fest for LD 10th anniversary (even though that link is gone from the LD home > page, Google it; you'll still find the LD 10th anniversary recordings), videos from the > Livelooping Youtube channel converted to mp3 using a site like vidtomp3.com, > samples from the Looper's Delight file library (which works, finally!), whatever anyone sends in, and > artists that aren't even on Looper's Delight. Some songs by common names (Britney Spears, > Cher, Kesha, Jason Derulo, DJ Wich) ... one listen, and you hear so many repeated (looped) > sounds that you think they lost their minds! So we might throw in some pop music (as long as the pop songs > we play have lots of looped samples), and indie musicians not on LD (bigger name ones such as > Imogen Heap, Morcheeba, Tim Exile, etc.) to lesser-known ones (Lizzie > Kazmierski, Asianglow, etc). Of course, all our Looper-delighters will be heard on there > too; Per Boysen, Michael Peters, Andy Butler ... you name it, and it has loops (live or > not) in it, we'll play it! > Tyler Z > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 17 19:27:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F9A3183455; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 19:27:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "'Dennis Moser'" , References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Sonuus anyone? Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 21:26:58 +0200 Message-ID: <003e01cd4cbf$29fd19d0$7df74d70$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1L4hrsrAapp6VOQTu0ooPkOpD8DgA3P4QQ Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 19:27:00 +0000 (UTC) nice piece Dennis!! -Michael -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Moser [mailto:sinsofmachaut@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Samstag, 16. Juni 2012 19:05 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sonuus anyone? BTW, I REALLY did mean to post this earlier in this thread=E2=80=A6an = audio example of using the SONUUS and an Audio-to-MIDI plugin inside of = Bidule. http://audiozoloft.org/imagine/2012/04/28/hello-world/ =E2=80=A6that's to the blog post that explains briefly the setup (Castar = Ministar, SONUUS GM2, Bidule, MBP and iPad driving synths). My interest = was mainly in building some extended MIDI delay lines that could be = drive by the guitar/GM2 interface. If you want to go direct to the audio, here's a direct link: http://audiozoloft.org/audio/28April_001.mp3 Best to all, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 17 19:29:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4133018345A; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 19:29:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <20120617170652.7FB71183463@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20120617170652.7FB71183463@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: RE: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 21:29:15 +0200 Message-ID: <003f01cd4cbf$7ba75200$72f5f600$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01CD4CD0.3F302200" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1MrPdCXSNuj6YORw+4GtLz1DZtpgAEmwzw Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 19:29:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01CD4CD0.3F302200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sounds great Tyler but who would take care of the hosting costs? -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01CD4CD0.3F302200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

sounds great Tyler but = who would take care of the hosting costs? =C2=A0=C2=A0-Michael

 

------=_NextPart_000_0040_01CD4CD0.3F302200-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 18 00:01:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E57A7183452; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 00:01:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 00:01:23 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 18:56:25 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Doctor T with Dancers, Cellos, and More 06.23 Lowell MA Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Experimental Film Discussion List Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 00:01:23 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I'll be doing video improvisations this Saturday at 119 Gallery (my favorite performance space). The full lineup is Dr T & friends: Glynis Loman - cello Wisteriax - cello Joan Green - movement Betty Wang - movement with Dr T - live video mix + Grau Garten: Marc Bisson - guitar Steve Norton - reeds deiX - voice, electronics with Greg Kowalski - live video performance + Lak Wang Wright Trio: Stephanie Lak - voice, electronics Walter Wright - electronics Betty Wang - movement with Greg Kowalski and Dr T - live video projections 7:30pm - doors 8:30pm - Dr T & friends 9:15pm - Grau Garten 10:00pm - Lak Wang Wright Trio 119 Chelmsford St Lowell, MA 01851 http://www.119gallery.org/ My videos, including recordings of some of my performances, can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld Culinary note: There is an outstanding Cambodian restaurant next door to the gallery. -- "I rang a silent bell ..." -- Robert Hunter "... cast your dancing spell my way, I promise to go under it" -- Bob Dylan My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 18 03:46:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA39118345B; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 03:46:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=B+ABMzIhcTQE92MVyo8PXQbMT2TaLqSFt1y+2HeZtLg=; b=kA5UQ1f6w54G1Q0rtBgkbPGGKELdLXbVkOHZj8W44c4ihvCJQjRmBCpStXVR7QAoMy +ShdQbx+Rfl3J9JqTNgLhuXg/za9SGBV+3Xwpo/XEVcwW/1+JAKGDzWBMsHXXcYRF4tv MUhsZaoSuV0k9mLTuLHUu+reHp0YTQyORjES6XzSj6tGqtBgxQ0zbQ26mawtcVwCAcCb tInO6LMDJJNP+h6fB1DxkTm5+09xDi+iWOgPDMabl/uAuqzCdK3cBT7uHWn4xeJJcZ3N Ny38QvVm2GKwnYWZYpjLGf/GDcHwrypKGBK59w9uGSkT96GhOdLZbLK2tS16aLYtcxVI I3nA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20120617152759.14704.71768.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 20:46:28 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6dd8ecad302e104c2b702c0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 03:46:30 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6dd8ecad302e104c2b702c0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I agree the pop music would sort of taint the station. Instead, I think that the non-live looping music should be from underground and lesser known artists/musicians. It gives them a chance to play a part in the community and get their music heard.a On Jun 17, 2012 10:06 AM, "Revfever" wrote: > TMK, the first thing to be required would be having to pay for a web > hosting site for the radio station unless someone on LD already has > something like that? There's a large selection of such sites to choose > from and with a range of fees, But please, no "big name" pop artists. > Those artists get and have gotten *enough* exposure (and $$) as it is, and > there might(?) also be copyrights / royalties issues hassles involved as > well from entities such as RIAA, ASCAP, BMI, etc. Also, whoever has the > contract / registration/ etc in their name would be the party (parties) > held responsible if some issues like that ever arose. Just my > semi-knowledgeable / TMK two cents. I have a few years of previous radio > broadcast experience under my belt but not with online stations, (not yet, > at least) so maybe the issues of copyright / royalties do not apply to indy > online stations? I dunno? I've never looked into that nor had any previous > online radio experiences. Just the "regular" airwaves which are supposed to > be (haha) "ours" and under the "guidance" and control of Thee Almighty FCC, > here in the good ol' US of A. > > Cheers- > Rev.Fever > Portlandia > http://www.spiritone.com/~**rvfever > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/**elemental1 > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/**elemental2 > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult > > > > On Jun 17, 2012, at 8:28 AM, Tyler wrote: > > Hello! This would require a person skilled in radionomy.com or any of >> those online >> radio-stream programs. I could probably set it up myself. I would have to >> learn a little. My idea >> is an online radio station called LD Radio. It probably wouldn't be live >> broadcasting, but >> we would have a playlist. LD Radio would play songs from the Looper's >> Delight disks, from the Y >> 2 K 6 loop fest for LD 10th anniversary (even though that link is gone >> from the LD home >> page, Google it; you'll still find the LD 10th anniversary recordings), >> videos from the >> Livelooping Youtube channel converted to mp3 using a site like >> vidtomp3.com, >> samples from the Looper's Delight file library (which works, finally!), >> whatever anyone sends in, and >> artists that aren't even on Looper's Delight. Some songs by common names >> (Britney Spears, >> Cher, Kesha, Jason Derulo, DJ Wich) ... one listen, and you hear so many >> repeated (looped) >> sounds that you think they lost their minds! So we might throw in some >> pop music (as long as the pop songs >> we play have lots of looped samples), and indie musicians not on LD >> (bigger name ones such as >> Imogen Heap, Morcheeba, Tim Exile, etc.) to lesser-known ones (Lizzie >> Kazmierski, Asianglow, etc). Of course, all our Looper-delighters will be >> heard on there >> too; Per Boysen, Michael Peters, Andy Butler ... you name it, and it has >> loops (live or >> not) in it, we'll play it! >> Tyler Z >> >> > --0016e6dd8ecad302e104c2b702c0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I agree the pop music would sort of taint the station. Instead, I think = that the non-live looping music should be from underground and lesser known= artists/musicians. It gives them a chance to play a part in the community = and get their music heard.a

On Jun 17, 2012 10:06 AM, "Revfever" &= lt;revfever@ubergadget.com&g= t; wrote:
TMK, the first thing to be required would be having to pay for a web hostin= g site for the radio station unless someone on LD already has something lik= e that? =A0There's a large selection of such sites to choose from and w= ith a range of fees, =A0But please, no "big name" pop artists. Th= ose artists get and have gotten *enough* exposure (and $$) as it is, and th= ere might(?) also be copyrights / royalties issues hassles involved as well= from entities such as RIAA, ASCAP, BMI, etc. =A0Also, whoever has the cont= ract / registration/ etc in their name would be the party (parties) held re= sponsible if some issues like that ever arose. Just my semi-knowledgeable /= TMK two cents. =A0I have a few years of previous radio broadcast experienc= e under my belt but not with online stations, (not yet, at least) so maybe = the issues of copyright / royalties do not apply to indy online stations? I= dunno? I've never looked into that nor had any previous online radio e= xperiences. Just the "regular" airwaves which are supposed to be = (haha) "ours" and under the "guidance" and control of T= hee Almighty FCC, here in the good ol' US of A.

Cheers-
Rev.Fever
Portlandia
http://www.= spiritone.com/~rvfever
http://ww= w.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1
http://ww= w.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2
http://www.cdb= aby.com/cd/skult



On Jun 17, 2012, at 8:28 AM, Tyler wrote:

Hello! This would require a person skilled in radionomy.com or any of those online
radio-stream programs. I could probably set it up myself. I would have to l= earn a little. My idea
is an online radio station called LD Radio. It probably wouldn't be liv= e broadcasting, but
we would have a playlist. LD Radio would play songs from the Looper's D= elight disks, from the Y
2 K 6 loop fest for LD 10th anniversary (even though that link is gone from= the LD home
page, Google it; you'll still find the LD 10th anniversary recordings),= videos from the
Livelooping Youtube channel converted to mp3 using a site like vidtomp3.com,
samples from the Looper's Delight file library (which works, finally!),= whatever anyone sends in, and
artists that aren't even on Looper's Delight. Some songs by common = names (Britney Spears,
Cher, Kesha, Jason Derulo, DJ Wich) ... one listen, and you hear so many re= peated (looped)
sounds that you think they lost their minds! So we might throw in some pop = music (as long as the pop songs
we play have lots of looped samples), and indie musicians not on LD (bigger= name ones such as
Imogen Heap, Morcheeba, Tim Exile, etc.) to lesser-known ones (Lizzie
Kazmierski, Asianglow, etc). Of course, all our Looper-delighters will be h= eard on there
too; Per Boysen, Michael Peters, Andy Butler ... you name it, and it has lo= ops (live or
not) in it, we'll play it!
Tyler Z


--0016e6dd8ecad302e104c2b702c0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 18 03:52:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0C0618345C; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 03:52:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=7beEpQAk57v1mfQ00PPjSKri+XsJZGjpDjsxkSpmjOY=; b=Nwu2GvYvcQEyHnbsL9WiC2FUi8Aefq3y2p63SP3/LMnj1bstCR12W60YUv+BzdN9ZH bq0YQHG+ynGJ9kCY+dD7culkKCvgj7oCQbMWOWRIYdHH6fZi+ask96/cGKNymSDtWDzs C6kT0slY4VWHmYEnEaygPUUOgJ69rRweTdotU9b/sJRXmqX7Rp9KFVE/PwJzyGJsstRz ykq+++WbPP4T9XWwEby6YbdqrpQ1MKzKZRr3ImYTlLNglPfyatv8w9sGOSkjfDlNqQZi w4TGGG3xU84eS5DIiOdN/oCxRWULPhMWwmocwPmUVa42IMBQLk4hcPhsMq1ZzUdtQdow fjXw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 20:52:04 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Finding "gigs" From: "kay'lon rushing" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d7e350d39b2104c2b7163f Resent-Message-ID: <1qxXXB.A.cIH.lXq3PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 03:52:05 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d7e350d39b2104c2b7163f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I've always wanted to play some "gigs" well not really gigs because i think I'd do them for free. but anyways I live in Sacramento and I dont know of any places to play at that would even allow me to. Being in such a conservative city i dont see much going on out here as far as music goes unless im just under a rock. but what would a 17 year old kid do to build up a local fan base? --0016e6d7e350d39b2104c2b7163f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I've always wanted to play some "gigs" well not really gig= s because i think I'd do them for free. but anyways I live in Sacrament= o and I dont know of any places to play at that would even allow me to. Bei= ng in such a conservative city i dont see much going on out here as far as = music goes unless im just under a rock. but what would a 17 year old kid do= to build up a local fan base?

--0016e6d7e350d39b2104c2b7163f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 18 04:57:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 490E118345A; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 04:57:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ItSgKUvEgpuArvFeGcEX9ho8h0+4pTt73K5WgrMP114= c=1 sm=0 a=6ReSICYy_XAA:10 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=jJrOw3FHAAAA:8 a=S7SN3Zkat9mYjq4d8qYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Rt4mocQWzXeNpaePmQpUIg==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Lend me you ears for my Amish banjo looping References: From: chaz worm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 00:57:51 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 04:57:57 +0000 (UTC) I performed this in a bar in West Virginia 6/13/2012. I utilized a vietnames= e jaw harp, wood blocks and a baritone minstrel fretless banjo. I hope y'all= find it more entertaining than the bar did.=20 http://youtu.be/gHNBkusG1Vc Chaz Worm - Electric Light Opry (former singer and bass for Earth, Worm and Fire) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 18 08:00:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51B9318345A; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 08:00:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=rGZTmKpAfQlikDHFTtaTyMbDIf9GXrhwf0k/1uSUtms=; b=w5z0Gyt4UFbOYSBRI9eR/SPe0wvi9D1o6xUzg0sXATwfHrHT4L6GnqE7UW/ydxKx6w kUac5KDcvXYXirfvVmTWaF5bOEpMNJz3JDTwlBm8nFbDeQsVWD1KBt4fsdwES1STv8XT YQrBzirThIjpcY7syqbBcLL+OH8MHJPgBlXWPFb8TipWEv1agbEGilxwqciCnJA6wW20 l6zhUPEZxVsCmZo4gd/GMbpQl07lTLbQTWDr09dXj6BRm1LL8efKDU90rU+DHXSv/w5D x/vOEvs/4/yPTTRJWqMYn0Ws3Qt6lPsH8vkA1akIrU/11DAbnA37aKzUBuwMPyAKROaO xbfw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 04:00:53 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Lend me you ears for my Amish banjo looping From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307f34d0a9d68004c2ba905b Resent-Message-ID: <63ovVD.A.G7.2Au3PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 08:00:54 +0000 (UTC) --20cf307f34d0a9d68004c2ba905b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chaz that was neat. Like the long neck banjo a lot. Jim On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:57 AM, chaz worm wrot= e: > I performed this in a bar in West Virginia 6/13/2012. I utilized a > vietnamese jaw harp, wood blocks and a baritone minstrel fretless banjo. = I > hope y'all find it more entertaining than the bar did. > > http://youtu.be/gHNBkusG1Vc > > Chaz Worm - Electric Light Opry > (former singer and bass for Earth, Worm and Fire) > > > --=20 --=20 *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism' *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit *JDRF International * *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. --20cf307f34d0a9d68004c2ba905b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chaz that was neat. =A0Like the long neck banjo a lot.

J= im

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:57 AM, chaz= worm <chaz@earthwormandfire.com> wrote:
I performed this in a bar in West Virginia 6= /13/2012. I utilized a vietnamese jaw harp, wood blocks and a baritone mins= trel fretless banjo. I hope y'all find it more entertaining than the ba= r did.

http://youtu.be/g= HNBkusG1Vc

Chaz Worm - Electric Light Opry
(former singer and bass for Earth, Worm and Fire)





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jimgoodin.com= - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minima= lism'
=A0
From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz= recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will= benefit JDRF Internation= al

Tips Across the Waters, a= new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

--20cf307f34d0a9d68004c2ba905b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 18 08:04:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8387118345A; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 08:04:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=aSdkG8opDL5YOUPu9qQB0kVqMSM7YVTeD3u1XMIBc3M=; b=C5O4RRNAEtQdAESmCVMWFvw+iFyR7Gv4iuWxvmuVIBp5jaSbGfmYQvzXyuIw2DjFLg y1LcQPYvamwknJbQzRMzbxYmJqWd7DrLwzA4fiGJKQfPP6vc2Zyc55DKx2N7hkt2/HCo q0F/RDvoB8mkCCDhemfdC4GHsGsGR0/lHioCeRH+iOaEXD2TLaKzMvOLbwtiHBn2vBUR kyfcWG0EXRoNrE/jI5c2Gbhdi+Ymi2w+Fa89uvnWpbbpD1gH23ed5Lug6uZq/hh+T0XN XKAaYoOfW9HMj1f1LaG1jvWjn6Ly8Jofdbv8WIRrd3hLlIbUrTD0zAI6fcBdhb+/N6js uTgQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 04:04:25 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Finding "gigs" From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54ee5984cca0c04c2ba9d10 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 08:04:26 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec54ee5984cca0c04c2ba9d10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kay'lon get to know Lob Instagon. He produces NORCAL Noisefest every October. Google it. He's good people as they say. Generally a lot of experimental music is done at Cafe Luna downtown. I'm not from there, live in NY but I have played Noisefest before and it's far from conservative. Best with all. Jim On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 11:52 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > I've always wanted to play some "gigs" well not really gigs because i > think I'd do them for free. but anyways I live in Sacramento and I dont > know of any places to play at that would even allow me to. Being in such = a > conservative city i dont see much going on out here as far as music goes > unless im just under a rock. but what would a 17 year old kid do to build > up a local fan base? > --=20 --=20 *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism' *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit *JDRF International * *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. --bcaec54ee5984cca0c04c2ba9d10 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kay'lon get to know Lob Instagon. =A0He produces NORCAL Noisefest every= October. =A0Google it. =A0He's good people as they say. =A0Generally a= lot of experimental music is done at Cafe Luna downtown. =A0I'm not fr= om there, live in NY but I have played Noisefest before and it's far fr= om conservative.

Best with all.

Jim

On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 11:52 PM, kay'lon rushing <k3= zz21@gmail.com> wrote:

I've always wanted to play some "= ;gigs" well not really gigs because i think I'd do them for free. = but anyways I live in Sacramento and I dont know of any places to play at t= hat would even allow me to. Being in such a conservative city i dont see mu= ch going on out here as far as music goes unless im just under a rock. but = what would a 17 year old kid do to build up a local fan base?




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=A0
From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz= recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will= benefit JDRF Internation= al

Tips Across the Waters, a= new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

--bcaec54ee5984cca0c04c2ba9d10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 18 14:44:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F7FF183460; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:44:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: hacked In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CF1B77FA173B0F_153C_BAE_webmail-stg-m02.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36451-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CF1B77FA0B5411-153C-2C8@webmail-stg-m02.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [68.162.164.174] Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 10:44:19 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: S DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1340030659; bh=tqmCG0ZU8RYf9PDXxAu1LUmKbD3R5JVx9lvD3xBTphE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=M0t2V/mX24410y6MRXm5HI1wzONndZyBh3qh6uIAYORw4PsCZnuFTQHEmpb4fR0t3 Yuwu7gCoWJfCrVVpEtu0olgtTjbgwVxTMdsva/tvsislO7bU/sYPBEFhFTKBOmE4X2 05IA5JP5Wl9iiW9xgox9V7iTrYCVWWtrXSlnmXi0= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:239141664:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-REROUTE: YES x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338c4fdf3ec34d40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:44:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CF1B77FA173B0F_153C_BAE_webmail-stg-m02.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" sorry of you received mail from me.....my account was hacked =20 ----------MB_8CF1B77FA173B0F_153C_BAE_webmail-stg-m02.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" sorry of you received mail from me.= ....my account was hacked



 ----------MB_8CF1B77FA173B0F_153C_BAE_webmail-stg-m02.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 18 14:51:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0B9718345E; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:51:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=7cthW/CHgbZj+QVhj7szQMJhF5kkPXtjfu/U0ayBT0Y=; b=MhdZOT2sCHgoogDgSltAPGgXataF3XeL4vK6X/KcKA6VaqRkO9Vss4XxoKdUkhMceK g3mBkGSG8kZneDw84dXCAZlKMYje1sji9woUx7YjfQjuM4FsHhgKIVLtbcAsbQHnzlh0 4bxiDNr2AUcGd7x0YKjb9fi3CyBey+pDpvJjggqFtQRQZ4aC9VvVx3pAngmhbQv7J3HL cnaA5Xem0fLeENHoEa+nrw+w82WAT7u48mcUXrJkA632XxrGEnX7QdzX3Oh15KQbOoLm lEGV83lN7s2MM5Nn53II3guunRLLlIul3x3k/Kn1qkqWssuDi4fzAr8xh30M713Fc/CH hN2w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8CF1B77FA0B5411-153C-2C8@webmail-stg-m02.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF1B77FA0B5411-153C-2C8@webmail-stg-m02.sysops.aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 10:51:41 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: hacked From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3071c6accdeea604c2c04d89 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:51:42 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3071c6accdeea604c2c04d89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael I thought so or it was kind of you to share your research on the perscriptions :):) Jim On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 10:44 AM, michael klobuchar wrot= e: > sorry of you received mail from me.....my account was hacked > > > > --=20 --=20 *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism' *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit *JDRF International * *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. --20cf3071c6accdeea604c2c04d89 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Michael I thought so or it was kind of you to share your research on t= he perscriptions :):)
=A0
Jim

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 10:44 AM, michael klobuchar <nemo= guitt@aol.com> wrote:

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=A0
From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz= recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will= benefit JDRF Internation= al

Tips Across the Waters, a= new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

--20cf3071c6accdeea604c2c04d89-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 18 15:02:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 929B4183460; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 15:02:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=QoDEld3yR2Sx/H/BOKsSlb/BtuAwpn5QcILSZqx0G8g=; b=GbKHKGl4qZwj+TWoxUE6L2m/s+TNV2XwVgXRRXHPFDwA4KUyQfcqnJEuca/OmREmfi Sxn2SkTZSq62P/AAm5T4Ajq31g9Aa3zE7en8wm4IMo9ejtKVHhXE2K3hXZxqzzxwQbpx 0v0W+nI+y4LC1xp4MraB8NNlB1CcS6eMiO/IDkIa+QZkgDwSopva7WRQrYSlXWOOIjBI G0edya5R8VVBoNVvlv1OlkZdjtpn2yeA7P16QljxJZUGxQZ48Ec9QmMGjeRnCJGHRQMH PucKEzQepGBE9QPMqr0FwLOoJ3F08AFs0OQE9+mMM+OYYQhH8MdO3vI9Lthpu6RIb3+m EDiQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8CF1B77FA0B5411-153C-2C8@webmail-stg-m02.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF1B77FA0B5411-153C-2C8@webmail-stg-m02.sysops.aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 11:02:45 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: hacked From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb2022c60dcbd04c2c07532 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 15:02:46 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8fb2022c60dcbd04c2c07532 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Saw that, no worries :) Hope you got it cleared up! On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 10:44 AM, michael klobuchar wrote: > sorry of you received mail from me.....my account was hacked > > > > --e89a8fb2022c60dcbd04c2c07532 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Saw that, no worries :) Hope you got it cleared up!

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 10:44 AM, michael klobuchar <nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:
sorry of you received mail from me.....my account was hacked




--e89a8fb2022c60dcbd04c2c07532-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 18 19:03:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A7BF183460; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:03:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 782924606/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.27.224/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.27.224 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsMEAEN7309YbRvg/2dsb2JhbAANOI00pwQEA4RKBAEBAQQ4QBELGAkMCg8JAwIBAgFFHAGFRQiCI7h1i1FBgjkMgxsDmmWNHYFe X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,432,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="782924606" Message-ID: <4FDF7B9B.3040000@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 20:03:55 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: hacked References: <8CF1B77FA0B5411-153C-2C8@webmail-stg-m02.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CF1B77FA0B5411-153C-2C8@webmail-stg-m02.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_Lr9-B.A.LjG.Wu33PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:03:50 +0000 (UTC) how do we know this is really from you? michael klobuchar wrote: > sorry of you received mail from me.....my account was hacked > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 18 19:27:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB2BB18345C; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:27:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=PTO5H34TybtNXJn68DFyHrwLREuQAXXhD6uf8x/7f6o=; b=fNTADMBfSL5q4jN90abo2pAT12GFKNLZw7ISDZwACYQvxYjhCaEFfg7rYnuy17npA6 Wze6x/Sh0/x/r1Gjh/Yg4ok9WJF0E6uV4dU2h8+OTb5hcVDrkqSnE2rwW0HZaeRVtsfw IJUrKrBrUu8wTFDwFSwS1uc5eJyXrgralN2dIofDeT3712/niRyUvU/xSVzfTbZFyBiX rF7ETppyldJ1uA9VsMedkhVaiKu3K3L7CGY4s608fzG+JvV/Q+l3zWppJPXZpS+3yixe KPOfdSrtnwZf+J6sccmY9JaZQlq+28KCAy++jow0tbob0Jecf57Ic1U/KJGFuNKZ1wOv 5Rlg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FDF7B9B.3040000@tiscali.co.uk> References: <8CF1B77FA0B5411-153C-2C8@webmail-stg-m02.sysops.aol.com> <4FDF7B9B.3040000@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 15:27:38 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: hacked From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <10q86B.A.x2G.rE43PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:27:39 +0000 (UTC) He'll have to post a new track... the ultimate captcha / identity test Sylvain On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 3:03 PM, andy butler wrote: > how do we know this is really from you? > > > michael klobuchar wrote: >> >> sorry of you received mail from me.....my account was hacked >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 18 19:31:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3409F18345C; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=kbFC241/qvVMuH2YHp3gZsFFlx4odIZMclrxAhVt8PHvvIVP8Abu63/ZGWDliIjA; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4FDF7B9B.3040000@tiscali.co.uk> References: <8CF1B77FA0B5411-153C-2C8@webmail-stg-m02.sysops.aol.com> <4FDF7B9B.3040000@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 15:31:38 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: hacked Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec797fc1e873cb31078675944330d079f9d6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Or even YOU?? At 20:03 +0100 18/6/12, andy butler wrote: >how do we know this is really from you? > >michael klobuchar wrote: >>sorry of you received mail from me.....my account was hacked -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 18 19:34:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F2F418345A; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:34:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1777196667==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120618194218.1101.17875.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 15:42:20 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:34:53 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============1777196667== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Online=20radio=20stations=20have=20different=20rules.=20I=20listen=20to=20s= ofloradio.com=20(a=20talk=20station)=20 almost=20every=20day,=20and=20almost=20every=20day,=20Jorge=20Rodriguez,=20= the=20most=20popular=20host=20on=20there,=20says=20offensive=20 words=20(including=20the=20F=20word)=20without=20being=20bleeped.=20Being= =20online,=20he=20can=20get=20away=20with=20it!=20So,=20no=20FCC=20 on=20the=20online=20stations!=20But=20on=20the=20home=20page=20of=20loopers= -delight.com,=20it=20clearly=20states=20that=20 is=20a=20site=20for=20musicians=20working=20with=20loops=20of=20all=20kinds= .=20Any=20person=20who=20listens=20to=20pop=20music=20would=20 know=20that=20Jason=20Derulo=20and=20Britney=20Spears=20(or=20at=20least=20= their=20producers)=20loop.=20And=20how=20much=20 does=20radionomy.com=20(a=20host=20just=20for=20web-radio)=20cost? Tyler=20Z On=20Sun,=2017=20Jun=202012=2009:47:58=20-0700,=20Revfever=20wrote: >TMK,=20the=20first=20thing=20to=20be=20required=20would=20be=20having=20to= =20pay=20for=20a=20web=20=20 >hosting=20site=20for=20the=20radio=20station=20unless=20someone=20on=20LD= =20already=20has=20=20 >something=20like=20that?=20=20There's=20a=20large=20selection=20of=20such= =20sites=20to=20=20 >choose=20from=20and=20with=20a=20range=20of=20fees,=20=20But=20please,=20n= o=20"big=20name"=20pop=20=20 >artists.=20Those=20artists=20get=20and=20have=20gotten=20*enough*=20exposu= re=20(and=20$$)=20=20 >as=20it=20is,=20and=20there=20might(?)=20also=20be=20copyrights=20/=20roya= lties=20issues=20=20 >hassles=20involved=20as=20well=20from=20entities=20such=20as=20RIAA,=20ASC= AP,=20BMI,=20=20 >etc.=20=20Also,=20whoever=20has=20the=20contract=20/=20registration/=20etc= =20in=20their=20=20 >name=20would=20be=20the=20party=20(parties)=20held=20responsible=20if=20so= me=20issues=20=20 >like=20that=20ever=20arose.=20Just=20my=20semi-knowledgeable=20/=20TMK=20t= wo=20cents.=20=20I=20=20 >have=20a=20few=20years=20of=20previous=20radio=20broadcast=20experience=20= under=20my=20belt=20=20 >but=20not=20with=20online=20stations,=20(not=20yet,=20at=20least)=20so=20m= aybe=20the=20issues=20=20 >of=20copyright=20/=20royalties=20do=20not=20apply=20to=20indy=20online=20s= tations?=20I=20=20 >dunno?=20I've=20never=20looked=20into=20that=20nor=20had=20any=20previous= =20online=20radio=20=20 >experiences.=20Just=20the=20"regular"=20airwaves=20which=20are=20supposed= =20to=20be=20=20 >(haha)=20"ours"=20and=20under=20the=20"guidance"=20and=20control=20of=20Th= ee=20Almighty=20=20 >FCC,=20here=20in=20the=20good=20ol'=20US=20of=20A. > >Cheers- >Rev.Fever >Portlandia >http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever >http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1 >http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2 >http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult > > > >On=20Jun=2017,=202012,=20at=208:28=20AM,=20Tyler=20wrote: > >>Hello!=20This=20would=20require=20a=20person=20skilled=20in=20radionomy.c= om=20or=20any=20=20 >>of=20those=20online >>radio-stream=20programs.=20I=20could=20probably=20set=20it=20up=20myself.= =20I=20would=20=20 >>have=20to=20learn=20a=20little.=20My=20idea >>is=20an=20online=20radio=20station=20called=20LD=20Radio.=20It=20probably= =20wouldn't=20be=20=20 >>live=20broadcasting,=20but >>we=20would=20have=20a=20playlist.=20LD=20Radio=20would=20play=20songs=20f= rom=20the=20=20 >>Looper's=20Delight=20disks,=20from=20the=20Y >>2=20K=206=20loop=20fest=20for=20LD=2010th=20anniversary=20(even=20though= =20that=20link=20is=20=20 >>gone=20from=20the=20LD=20home >>page,=20Google=20it;=20you'll=20still=20find=20the=20LD=2010th=20annivers= ary=20=20 >>recordings),=20videos=20from=20the >>Livelooping=20Youtube=20channel=20converted=20to=20mp3=20using=20a=20site= =20like=20=20 >>vidtomp3.com, >>samples=20from=20the=20Looper's=20Delight=20file=20library=20(which=20wor= ks,=20=20 >>finally!),=20whatever=20anyone=20sends=20in,=20and >>artists=20that=20aren't=20even=20on=20Looper's=20Delight.=20Some=20songs= =20by=20common=20=20 >>names=20(Britney=20Spears, >>Cher,=20Kesha,=20Jason=20Derulo,=20DJ=20Wich)=20...=20one=20listen,=20and= =20you=20hear=20so=20=20 >>many=20repeated=20(looped) >>sounds=20that=20you=20think=20they=20lost=20their=20minds!=20So=20we=20mi= ght=20throw=20in=20=20 >>some=20pop=20music=20(as=20long=20as=20the=20pop=20songs >>we=20play=20have=20lots=20of=20looped=20samples),=20and=20indie=20musicia= ns=20not=20on=20LD=20=20 >>(bigger=20name=20ones=20such=20as >>Imogen=20Heap,=20Morcheeba,=20Tim=20Exile,=20etc.)=20to=20lesser-known=20= ones=20(Lizzie >>Kazmierski,=20Asianglow,=20etc).=20Of=20course,=20all=20our=20Looper-deli= ghters=20=20 >>will=20be=20heard=20on=20there >>too;=20Per=20Boysen,=20Michael=20Peters,=20Andy=20Butler=20...=20you=20na= me=20it,=20and=20=20 >>it=20has=20loops=20(live=20or >>not)=20in=20it,=20we'll=20play=20it! >>Tyler=20Z >> --===============1777196667==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 18 19:35:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88718183466; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:35:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nZIS6lXdi1AevCE03yugA1T4StfwJXOGDbFtopXD7bA=; b=YyO2ndZha/Wew8twvXniruwbGoILZTRyadcJYt8N4RF+xxrP/e78KNgUikUZJ7/VS0 j8fUOBI5ZgXxt3nEb8r6u4m1jdVq0Br2Mb4LhZIOjtnp5mzCrDjf6PSG1cVfAcZedFI4 vrD4tYzXd3jqENGp1q31ytEuFXDatm97+ckHpYq/DSqm2Vi5J1py6djMoGVS901RBooX VBMrfIh2u1J4l6bio6/Lj1W6Dygdx/ecjfqL2feooVG52PuRmyYV1rUI/wm9SwU4WZvb 2nWTu9fFAyR4p9CAGPps3bOocpJ/oqyXaCnrYodHx0YB8zIBv6aPcYtQ6PoUdNbBHwwg hOYQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:35:34 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Finding "gigs" From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:35:35 +0000 (UTC) Hmmm, Kay'lon, I'm not sure what your experience with noise music (the genre) is these days. Lob specializes in that, but I think he has an open ear to lots of different types of unusual music. He has a band named Instagon, which prides itself on having a different set of musicians each time they play - usually somewhere between improvised rock and pure noise. I lucked out in the beginning, because there were "open invite" shows at the time I was new to San Francisco. "Open Invite" would be something like "We are having an open session at this cafe tonight. Whoever shows up with an instrument is welcome to play in the group improv." I met people through those shows, who then helped me get opportunities to play solo concerts. (At first, sharing a bill with their band.) That helped me get connections to the venues. It didn't take long to get to the point where I could contact a venue myself and ask for a gig. These are still mostly "door gigs", in which the artists take home a portion of the profit. For local-level experimental music, this can be between $5 and $50 for a set. (Usually on the lower end of that scale, depending on how many people come to the show.) Night clubs that frequently have well-known national and touring acts usually won't book a local or new musician unless they are faithful that at least 50 people will come to see that musician. So, my advice is to go to a lot of local-level shows. Say hello to the artists you like. If you find a cafe or venue that is hosting a lot of music you like, say hello to the people booking the show. Once you know them a little bit, give them a CDR of your music, or email them a link to a youtube of you doing your thing. I should also say something about this: I think you are much further along than most 17 year olds, but as you encounter local music you like, you'll probably start incorporating those elements into what you do, and figure out different ways to present your "live set". For me, I entered the music scene as someone who played turntable and used cd and tape samples. After immersing myself in San Francisco improvised music, I learned to: --Stop expecting people to be "blown away" by the concept of what I'm doing or the gear I'm playing. I have to really play my instruments creatively in order to impress people. --Reduce my number of instruments and boxes to only the ones that are the most useful and flexible. --Be willing to admit that the "great idea" that I walked in with might not be the way to go, and that if I try to shoehorn it in the wrong situation, it could become terrible. --=20 Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:04 AM, Jim Goodin wrot= e: > Kay'lon get to know Lob Instagon. =A0He produces NORCAL Noisefest every > October. =A0Google it. =A0He's good people as they say. =A0Generally a lo= t of > experimental music is done at Cafe Luna downtown. =A0I'm not from there, = live > in NY but I have played Noisefest before and it's far from conservative. > > Best with all. > > Jim > > > On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 11:52 PM, kay'lon rushing wrot= e: >> >> I've always wanted to play some "gigs" well not really gigs because i >> think I'd do them for free. but anyways I live in Sacramento and I dont = know >> of any places to play at that would even allow me to. Being in such a >> conservative city i dont see much going on out here as far as music goes >> unless im just under a rock. but what would a 17 year old kid do to buil= d up >> a local fan base? > > > > > -- > -- > jimgoodin.com - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive > minimalism' > > From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin = & > Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF International > > Tips Across the Waters, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire > Ware. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 18 19:44:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31E99183460; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:44:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kQrdSL+zwtAAuEG8/vdWOrGQ8oEc69yXfBLbZutXGtM=; b=Ab5MW5AfnIkvwtsPR9ofpfFeFF/lifTnN/PBOx2hvT5UGD1nJ5KIclTesq8MDl2Osi S2wPMbc7Rj5suOjQb04bqj3g4haqvzakfRC4MYkTxWgYyU0kFMi8hPQeaS1srFfb9CUj 3spVm9DfW6u1b1J2iKooCGkVuIqlXXNEb6m+Av2teS4MLdr6ugO/UaScbE9UxQJw2/Eh kU7iyijxRz7EpF6U4ddjOLeV+t3x435ur0uGUOQYKK1hyVnkzN9S+Xuilgum11zTtC5m TQR37d+Mx/WMY152r+Pl9NlfgQ+KjdEiI9nGIG9VYdqS0KnC7GmcJWSOBpzikRvIHStx Tnmw== Message-ID: <4FDF850B.5020706@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 21:44:11 +0200 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Finding "gigs" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5Vyg7.A.xYH.IU43PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:44:08 +0000 (UTC) As usual, a wealth of great information in your post, Matt. Definitely one of those posts that would be sticky in a forum... Am 18.06.2012 21:35, schrieb Matt Davignon: > So, my advice is to go to a lot of local-level shows. Say hello to the > artists you like. If you find a cafe or venue that is hosting a lot of > [...] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 18 22:30:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CDBA18345E; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 22:30:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FDFAC12.9030504@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 15:30:42 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "kay'lon rushing" CC: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Finding "gigs" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 22:30:50 +0000 (UTC) When I first started trying to get 'live looping' gigs, I just went out and tried to find small, struggling art galleries and coffee shops: Any place that was open minded and could use 15 or 20 people coming into their space. Another approach is to put together a battery powered setup and go 'busk' on the street. You're coming to the festival in October, right? That'll be a nice venue for you. I'd make sure that you video tape it or get someone to video for you, so that you can put it up on youtube (and also hand it , in the form of a DVD , to any potential venue that you are trying to play at). Good luck, Rick On 6/17/12 8:52 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > > I've always wanted to play some "gigs" well not really gigs because i > think I'd do them for free. but anyways I live in Sacramento and I > dont know of any places to play at that would even allow me to. Being > in such a conservative city i dont see much going on out here as far > as music goes unless im just under a rock. but what would a 17 year > old kid do to build up a local fan base? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 18 23:32:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB400183460; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:32:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=nc+F9Sqbolr0Lx0jqVu59BSSrr52JABXsoQqKTF9qDQ=; b=uzrOcVk86S52GL2FXJKpSsYGZyrIbRZcP9QJiCT3ggQdI1u6sW/JVPSSkm7bx3zOnu rq9zJqVNfW60NPp1Fxq316zL0YFU4Hu/uXyNpOtNjerXkuA+zMlsUGWDx2yZVjSIE+ri ZwPAJJF8ICRxkzaoHvMu+zAEu2KtGalq7heTvAsiQxY18cCWE8qOk6lMr9GRzsRkuCPQ gzwz0zm5XD0MDhU7qcoL9I29/55RkHa5mVIYi9iOajGnLyOw3ZqSbQdbL3C7tfHbXw0H 3nbdq9C1rwkq+GUFkiam8IDckL+HrXM7+3h1UFKxe5YB5LOiy1uvMM9mhACNeAqnHk/z 86/w== Message-ID: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: MIDI Surface Controllers with LOTS of buttons Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 17:32:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0153_01CD4D78.5E6A2000" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:32:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0153_01CD4D78.5E6A2000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I need a MIDI surface controller with a ton of buttons, preferrably with = the ability to set and save banks where the buttons can send different = note values. I am using the Akai APC40 now. It=E2=80=99s alright, but you = can=E2=80=99t save banks on it. The Novation could work, but again it = is too Live centric. What=E2=80=99s out there? I just want a matrix of tons of buttons. ------=_NextPart_000_0153_01CD4D78.5E6A2000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I need a MIDI surface controller with a ton of buttons, preferrably = with=20 the ability to set and save banks where the buttons can send different = note=20 values.
I am using the Akai APC40 now. It=E2=80=99s alright, but you = can=E2=80=99t save banks on=20 it.   The Novation could work, but again it is too Live = centric.
What=E2=80=99s out there?  I just want a matrix of tons of=20 buttons.
------=_NextPart_000_0153_01CD4D78.5E6A2000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 18 23:43:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 621DC183461; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:43:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=p2jgdhF7zDvCL0wqFfLFNRVPRNKF36nxFz+h5TxjIoc=; b=MbpLnTyzynW8pZaCXivO+aC9lYMRbHmwfhjg4/8aQ8u5EAnv6rCRvc3EXgUtjx2QRQ WX8jwbkEEOyuS63vfXrYrBt/36cMlHpHFiD7oE/ZIetmzP4oYKbIByB6tGv9JNep/Rxu 4EYcAItlR5VPE2HLY+CwCzeV4FBfnCPRRDokuZYrq62waEBYAJ0VHzMIxXluHIvwhBii KdTgDm+/Izlri4sIQgVUvilRsjcaYqEQbyvbYiq+8vQMEjc4BDWPa9vqejNdniq2mD5E S03/3AE7fXKAwsG8tLdIDxXiFt0xDnP8AAQ25/S892IU4XgzxtqhfS02X3/5uqe1jL2N kXHw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 16:43:33 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MIDI Surface Controllers with LOTS of buttons From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:43:35 +0000 (UTC) Check out Livid. http://lividinstruments.com/index.php My friend is writing code for their stuff and they keep coming out with more and more things with brightly colored buttons and dials to do amazing things in live. Kevin On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Kris Hartung w= rote: > I need a MIDI surface controller with a ton of buttons, preferrably with = the > ability to set and save banks where the buttons can send different note > values. > I am using the Akai APC40 now. It=92s alright, but you can=92t save banks= on > it.=A0=A0 The Novation could work, but again it is too Live centric. > What=92s out there?=A0 I just want a matrix of tons of buttons. --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 18 23:43:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB835183475; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:43:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JYQIUidRAECiNa+jsiaNMIhYElg3H2WoMKCJIGO75f4= c=1 sm=1 a=KfGq-mLK1qwA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=WRSgfL_v0c8A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=qYz8RHWopigd8QnFYCx1XA==:17 a=B1Nh2dyhAAAA:8 a=mego51IcIn07xsn2KOMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=95MwgnOA0vIA:10 a=BcwT0Smst7MCtTIIGOhIgQ==:117 Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:43:39 -0400 (EDT) From: =?UTF8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <30c44877.366edc.13801faf343.Webtop.47@charter.net> Subject: RE: MIDI Surface Controllers with LOTS of buttons MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11739282_376603249.1340063019833" User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 X-SID: 47 X-Originating-IP: [68.118.35.162] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:43:40 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11739282_376603249.1340063019833 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Kris, Would something by these guys work? =20 Ted On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: I need a MIDI surface controller with a ton of buttons, preferrably=20 with the ability to set and save banks where the buttons can send=20 different note values. I am using the Akai APC40 now. It=E2=80=99s alright, but you can=E2=80=99t = save banks on=20 it. The Novation could work, but again it is too Live centric. What=E2=80=99s out there? I just want a matrix of tons of buttons. ------=_Part_11739282_376603249.1340063019833 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Kris,

Would something by these guys work?=
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On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Kris Hartung wrote:

 I nee= d a MIDI surface controller with a ton of buttons, preferrably with  t= he ability to set and save banks where the buttons can send different note&= nbsp; values.
I am using= the Akai APC40 now. It=E2=80=99s alright, but you can=E2=80=99t save banks= on  it.   The Novation could work, but again it is too Live= centric.
What=E2=80=99s out there?  I just want a matrix of tons of  bu= ttons.
------=_Part_11739282_376603249.1340063019833-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 18 23:47:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6615E18345E; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:47:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=8ANEbZnlUQ7fM29y0LK8seLuSDL9YYBrvewNvhbaw1g=; b=sQTvk8ZjNb8R4tzDfI0RYHm1njY9z+868FAIah7h/1P4qAlojqY7odR0SVAI+QB9Ox ASO/pg2MRvk3xvgJ8/yjlWJqHsVKO/ilNccXPwGAZ0yIwNTAHQEKHab+PtEBSiIDnYkK G/n5Gl3yPsMTlAS6p4pgx6lGxN5QN7WhCiu8kcs8UOzLz7wtTLdNqI4xLWhNjnk0NGPR 74YRlJpjRavYQhxzfIUbQe2EjSOLurqYGLRG6ziIimWLrfJXcuzZ88JnFYE1B/NlO1sI fWl8jz5p9HUL+XRISru9gIQTa2sKl3ziQs4H7jOU/vzHIuFOduz7LjUS1mWqG8R1e/XT 7goQ== Subject: Re: MIDI Surface Controllers with LOTS of buttons References: From: Todd Reynolds Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7CCBEF81-9ABC-4426-B9DE-2DA19F461CFF X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <715B8A71-12CF-4774-9669-0D9E652532CD@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:47:16 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:47:20 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7CCBEF81-9ABC-4426-B9DE-2DA19F461CFF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Check out http://lividinstruments.com Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:32 PM, "Kris Hartung" wrot= e: > I need a MIDI surface controller with a ton of buttons, preferrably with t= he ability to set and save banks where the buttons can send different note v= alues. > I am using the Akai APC40 now. It=E2=80=99s alright, but you can=E2=80=99t= save banks on it. The Novation could work, but again it is too Live centr= ic. > What=E2=80=99s out there? I just want a matrix of tons of buttons. --Apple-Mail-7CCBEF81-9ABC-4426-B9DE-2DA19F461CFF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

Sent f= rom my iPhone

On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:32 PM, "Kris Hartung" <= krispen.hartung@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:

I need a MIDI surface controller with a ton of buttons, preferrably wit= h=20 the ability to set and save banks where the buttons can send different note=20= values.
I am using the Akai APC40 now. It=E2=80=99s alright, but you can=E2=80=99= t save banks on=20 it.   The Novation could work, but again it is too Live centric.
What=E2=80=99s out there?  I just want a matrix of tons of=20 buttons.
= --Apple-Mail-7CCBEF81-9ABC-4426-B9DE-2DA19F461CFF-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 18 23:49:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76739183463; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=qS5XuO17uuMI2K7YfJlkO6iBGfDGvr0DmHaF/5YWxJw=; b=unHzzT5u5kUKG+goBIY8zp/pfe8bNAsXmay86qRvUYYavxJAnmzV0eX7qJMRnPqo4S lNOWiFztOYI/2zbXmtHqxkcHdINoYQIEwfNJFIWO6vHO/N8+Enwt6WU0o6XQo9Ws28OP aPnuqfA1HyG5vh9KwpsoKU5Rsxl1eXxrFA4TdkgCPTMAwv56CCL91JqlFZ4QlsgbkSqv DPFJp4qFkampnKt1vl7BDbW/8nUGMe7M6RkC76KZRAJnCQ1z5QJ/G6RIdcpdvdzSw5Bk AwGHhRIaKOQiddaOVITevIYsmwW6qyeWJJes2yGRkW8zMnm52vmXJB8VtappmWBhZeB2 dPow== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <715B8A71-12CF-4774-9669-0D9E652532CD@gmail.com> References: <715B8A71-12CF-4774-9669-0D9E652532CD@gmail.com> From: todd reynolds Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:48:49 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MIDI Surface Controllers with LOTS of buttons To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec554d84422463a04c2c7d1ce Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:49:31 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec554d84422463a04c2c7d1ce Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris, if you end up investigating the faderfox and are interested, I have a couple of used, but mint condition units I'm preparing to sell. T. On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Todd Reynolds wrote: > Check out http://lividinstruments.com > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:32 PM, "Kris Hartung" > wrote: > > I need a MIDI surface controller with a ton of buttons, preferrably with > the ability to set and save banks where the buttons can send different no= te > values. > I am using the Akai APC40 now. It=92s alright, but you can=92t save banks= on > it. The Novation could work, but again it is too Live centric. > What=92s out there? I just want a matrix of tons of buttons. > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =95 *The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011* - Amazon.com =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://toddreynolds.com http://twitter.com/digifiddler http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://facebook.com/toddreynolds http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds need me right away? Call or text me at 917.576.6166 --bcaec554d84422463a04c2c7d1ce Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris, if you end up investigating the faderfox and are interested, I have a= couple of used, but mint condition units I'm preparing to sell.=A0
T.


On Mon, Jun= 18, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Todd Reynolds <toddreyn@gmail.com> wr= ote:

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 18= , 2012, at 7:32 PM, "Kris Hartung" <krispen.hartung@gmail.com> wrot= e:

I need a MIDI surface controller with a ton of buttons, preferrably wi= th=20 the ability to set and save banks where the buttons can send different note= =20 values.
I am using the Akai APC40 now. It=92s alright, but you can=92t save ba= nks on=20 it.=A0=A0 The Novation could work, but again it is too Live centric.
What=92s out there?=A0 I just want a matrix of tons of=20 buttons.



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=95 The Be= st Classical Music of=A0the Year, 2011 - Amazon.com

=95=A0Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now avail= able wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however!=A0=

need me right away? =A0Call or text me at 917.576.6166



--bcaec554d84422463a04c2c7d1ce-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 18 23:49:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A86C183460; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:49:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:x-priority:in-reply-to:date :message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=1PP2dNIMDVGAfIlsf00bJBcXTJhegDjZqbU2u2OvXaM=; b=yFEk7rO2BxgrUOn0PnOVcSgFK1NCYvRJlbSQCv3eKPoFEPdNG8bspS65vHPGxycJxI g5xrmm0Bikw0JZgyi3D4W7eFUVBaG5nPUHP/SMSsmPcjVGqWmSmzDzd9Bzn3wKfCWDYi C1ReJ8UUTH3xadtW3bZyVRksyUl9tY5mREw+UIGPnPf8lqe4JWVs+bvbf/mXd7TrmhNd n67b+lMQcK1h+jHeY4/xikuGNwZsYW68ZU2UFgQ2FJOUj4z8QpUJvf7TNZFuqf1qWGTk n0W1aeP6blJu7G5RgR8LBeSElS7C8sdGtidD8y9M5WLS/55ZYfh1hscPVQtdiXdacsxW gdFQ== Subject: Re: MIDI Surface Controllers with LOTS of buttons Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-978935275 From: Christopher Darrow X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 16:49:47 -0700 Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:49:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5-978935275 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 This company is very cool. They have add-ons to their unique controllers = and DYI kits for making your own setup. http://lividinstruments.com/hardware_builder.php On Jun 18, 2012, at 4:32 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > I need a MIDI surface controller with a ton of buttons, preferrably = with the ability to set and save banks where the buttons can send = different note values. > I am using the Akai APC40 now. It=92s alright, but you can=92t save = banks on it. The Novation could work, but again it is too Live = centric. > What=92s out there? I just want a matrix of tons of buttons. --Apple-Mail-5-978935275 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 http://lividinst= ruments.com/hardware_builder.php




On Jun 18, 2012, at 4:32 PM, Kris Hartung = wrote:

I need a MIDI surface controller with a ton of buttons, preferrably = with=20 the ability to set and save banks where the buttons can send different = note=20 values.
I am using the Akai APC40 now. It=92s alright, but you can=92t save = banks on=20 it.   The Novation could work, but again it is too Live = centric.
What=92s out there?  I just want a matrix of tons of=20 buttons.

= --Apple-Mail-5-978935275-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 18 23:58:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E469183460; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:58:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:importance:x-mailer :x-mimeole; bh=QBx19SGN0Q5/+Yummg8TgZ+RON3ifD0RMdfFExODjvY=; b=N30JwZpm/W6INs/4UIpw34Zo5l6NrSpZi8KDaNJ11jnkfoFf56K9nMJqzuN9NaTRIo cEuKXFRZoP94jzdBkgyQzVIHyb6AR6T/oI90rKbS6HD8DHtY5NXaHdY0B+T9ll1nejMU J9IHWMXwBSahahcyK+j20WVy3gE0eMC1/Jfj/MBWaDeL5iFv/BwvM3WyowZjoffdnTzw VT4wO/D8GbpzypCP45fj6jP0ZxONUkNnmUmy4pGGC2w6RK9S1sF17FdLtMS8JAeTBY1c BJFfQjXWj7Ag2mFPXq8+ZQDAZdQ47eopHhD+IaHJIzJr1iMsK+9AU1kvNxeapRzxk8pv GxBg== Message-ID: <057121F6DCE643CBB4702C9DC6C8993D@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: MIDI Surface Controllers with LOTS of buttons Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 17:58:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0179_01CD4D7C.068EFCD0"; type="multipart/alternative" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:58:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0179_01CD4D7C.068EFCD0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_017A_01CD4D7C.068EFCD0" ------=_NextPart_001_017A_01CD4D7C.068EFCD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You guys are great...you are like an instant support service. =20 Faderfox doesn=92t have enough buttons, but the Livid Block looks = perfect, plus has templates for Live. Kris ------=_NextPart_001_017A_01CD4D7C.068EFCD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You=20 guys are great...you are like an instant support service. 
<= /DIV>
Faderfox=20 doesn=92t have enough buttons, but the Livid Block looks perfect, plus = has=20 templates for Live.
Kris
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You're looking at wrong fa= der fox tho. There's one that's ALL buttons x 3 banks!  

Sent fr= om my iPhone

On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:58 PM, "Kris Hartung" <<= a href=3D"mailto:krispen.hartung@gmail.com">krispen.hartung@gmail.com>= ; wrote:

You=20 guys are great...you are like an instant support service.  <wlEmotic= on-smile[1].png>
Faderfox=20 doesn=E2=80=99t have enough buttons, but the Livid Block looks perfect, plus= has=20 templates for Live.
Kris
 
= --Apple-Mail-9EFE749D-73E5-4187-B173-C78A74B796D9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 02:39:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECBFD18345A; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 02:39:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-06-18_05:2012-06-18,2012-06-18,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1206180320 Subject: Re: Finding "gigs" From: Teddy Kumpel In-reply-to: <4FDFAC12.9030504@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 22:39:22 -0400 Message-id: References: <4FDFAC12.9030504@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 02:39:24 +0000 (UTC) just be your own zappa he grew up on an army base and look what he did he has an autobiography > On 6/17/12 8:52 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: >> >> I've always wanted to play some "gigs" well not really gigs because i think I'd do them for free. but anyways I live in Sacramento and I dont know of any places to play at that would even allow me to. Being in such a conservative city i dont see much going on out here as far as music goes unless im just under a rock. but what would a 17 year old kid do to build up a local fan base? >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 03:11:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 805D1183460; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 03:11:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=oNjdvwBBOR91iKBpVJ2jCRPFlvzsFgi4rjKbNIx1uTs=; b=UvOI+XTRFgGdfX3BlIaK+rWwI8XPeUARE4OeKkiGvO25IqZOj4BJNi65BjPDJoi08h 7R5OY4VqSlcPX+9M0rxQY5Pu27OprLS1EtSOdGsSTKproLZJwawayl0683gK6gLTR/ZA hsJ5O+xxwq6E7RLdS8w5M6yue1X9xn90ocwQt5lNdTJyR2bDZW/y0450v0SL1CY60BQM Up8OjSluTv+Zm7OEhsPPqVB0+m7De1OIs2ost4vVh07ACv1ZckrP96tWaZafMjGYp6nU lfjSgXzYCN4vpDTOpEvrnFLnw6rOA2p8s3p/71YP9st6LvaOpRCliCaZI/JiRsttBGNK 6vfA== References: <8CF1B77FA0B5411-153C-2C8@webmail-stg-m02.sysops.aol.com> <4FDF7B9B.3040000@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4FDF7B9B.3040000@tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <4D5A7CED-C11E-4780-BC06-682E5CEFF8ED@gmail.com> Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) From: Jim Goodin Subject: Re: hacked Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:11:19 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: <1zeUSC.A.ooD.b3-3PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 03:11:23 +0000 (UTC) Chuckle...:) Get Tips Across the Waters for your iDevice, http://iTunes.apple.com/us/app/= tips-across-the-waters/id474128076?=3Dmt8 On Jun 18, 2012, at 3:03 PM, andy butler wrote: > how do we know this is really from you? >=20 > michael klobuchar wrote: >> sorry of you received mail from me.....my account was hacked >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 03:16:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87CF7183460; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 03:16:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:importance:x-mailer :x-mimeole; bh=w2o8D5iuRqAj4Dbc4mTEq4P4K+ugLIXb9Aj0Put4Isk=; b=MT6i8YJ+vzWG6SXUYUiDxFVvDNUQAlbFZJL/arPsYX8ckf6Wi53rZk0yikNmSb5mbJ hlol8qfZnX2naEF+rFy4tiyEriOFHumTiGjeNALIoQbD4TVtZgJirDaKA+Od7djKJB6i 5VVEAl86daCpZ5AojXGY3oK2+Nv78gPM+3+YJJvF7YLqTXKXoCs2JxqFen4BHD14OA/P g+Ka65lA+k9gOiJu+2pWDtQvF+QJRfmF+iM4yzGC4HGg04MUNUgRss8PI3sQGmuSLL98 bxOIxLP3EwYCimAwkRNoY6b202BpxwRZoH7orhPqnlW7LbKGrYz7uqbozcwPkAR697FY NejA== Message-ID: <6C68A2384C984CFEADFEB8ADB46F5527@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <057121F6DCE643CBB4702C9DC6C8993D@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: MIDI Surface Controllers with LOTS of buttons Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 21:15:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01A2_01CD4D97.8CBBC9D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 03:16:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01A2_01CD4D97.8CBBC9D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Which one is it? From: Todd Reynolds=20 Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 7:33 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Re: MIDI Surface Controllers with LOTS of buttons You're looking at wrong fader fox tho. There's one that's ALL buttons x = 3 banks! =20 Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:58 PM, "Kris Hartung" = wrote: You guys are great...you are like an instant support service. = Faderfox doesn=E2=80=99t have enough buttons, but the Livid Block = looks perfect, plus has templates for Live. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_01A2_01CD4D97.8CBBC9D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Which one is it?
 
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: MIDI Surface Controllers with LOTS of=20 buttons
 
You're looking at wrong fader fox tho. There's one that's ALL = buttons x 3=20 banks! 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:58 PM, "Kris Hartung" <krispen.hartung@gmail.com&g= t;=20 wrote:

You=20 guys are great...you are like an instant support service. =20 <wlEmoticon-smile[1].png>
Faderfox=20 doesn=E2=80=99t have enough buttons, but the Livid Block looks = perfect, plus has=20 templates for Live.
Kris
 
= ------=_NextPart_000_01A2_01CD4D97.8CBBC9D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 03:20:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5DCE183462; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 03:20:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=WwnUwkwo0MAXjqaUBY6Zo0dbdrpMJmjE3LukmKCSor0=; b=qw/z4bu1Y9E8JtjLgbOtiDhcIiqWmFUZfsP3jpC+0EvPKb/nFuCgUre/XhUcDpKecg Kt9JgxiOcMAqjuRDOS/tjV8zPcAZg2o+CHZ36hMZviQt64uyY42HlYxv5jiJ+jo0qmZN WzAhAEyBOyNF87wlTsPC+x4rn1CrwCg4qcCdnpcggyIU6xPBqG8/Fybln6O10QcETgE7 YqiZ0ZgDiIi9gWR0Zc1Y7GzWOzzvOJ+hIh7BkTqEi0IO8GBeNA7C6upuudrSm8DyjxII 5PCD9yyaJalRJDCX7rRoJjUns3DZarkGU4Qxn6sUya3TjOfDMOw+HZog0hL7NYjwLxSI JNTQ== Message-ID: <34F757BB0B96412ABB54272B30B1DAA0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Re: MIDI Surface Controllers with LOTS of buttons Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 21:20:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01B7_01CD4D98.2E15C9C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 03:20:30 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01B7_01CD4D98.2E15C9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This discontinued one? http://www.faderfox.de/mark/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&view=3Darticle= &id=3D135&Itemid=3D177 You're looking at wrong fader fox tho. There's one that's ALL buttons x = 3 banks! =20 Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:58 PM, "Kris Hartung" = wrote: You guys are great...you are like an instant support service. = Faderfox doesn=E2=80=99t have enough buttons, but the Livid Block = looks perfect, plus has templates for Live. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_01B7_01CD4D98.2E15C9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This discontinued one?
http://www.faderfox.de/mark/i= ndex.php?option=3Dcom_content&view=3Darticle&id=3D135&Itemid=3D= 177
 
You're looking at wrong fader fox tho. There's one that's ALL = buttons x 3=20 banks! 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:58 PM, "Kris Hartung" <krispen.hartung@gmail.com&g= t;=20 wrote:

You=20 guys are great...you are like an instant support service. =20 <wlEmoticon-smile[1].png>
Faderfox=20 doesn=E2=80=99t have enough buttons, but the Livid Block looks = perfect, plus has=20 templates for Live.
Kris
 
= ------=_NextPart_000_01B7_01CD4D98.2E15C9C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 06:21:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 567FE18345C; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 06:21:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <20120618235859.6291B183466@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20120618235859.6291B183466@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:21:07 +0200 Message-ID: <003d01cd4de3$b6587da0$230978e0$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003E_01CD4DF4.79E14DA0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1Nr3rkvkHm8H2ZQSO0rE5OiBVjbwAMq/GA Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 06:21:12 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01CD4DF4.79E14DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tyler said, > Any person who listens to pop music would know that Jason Derulo and = Britney Spears (or at least their producers) loop =20 I bet there are lots of _loops_ in parts in Britney Spears songs but in = the age of cut+paste, repetitions of sounds or recording parts (what = used to be something revolutionary, the tape loop technique of the = 1950s) - are ubiquitous anyway, and the fact that there are such = repetitions in preproduced music isn't really that interesting anymore. = I think most of Looper's Delight's loopers are liveloopers, and that is = a different animal altogether - does Britney use any livelooping in her = repertoire?=20 =20 -Michael =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01CD4DF4.79E14DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Tyler = said,

> Any person who listens to pop music = would know that Jason Derulo and Britney = Spears (or at least their producers) loop

 

I = bet there are lots of _loops_ in parts in Britney Spears songs = but in the age of cut+paste, repetitions of = sounds or recording parts (what used to be something revolutionary, the = tape loop technique of the 1950s) - are ubiquitous anyway, and the fact = that there are such repetitions in preproduced music isn't really that interesting = anymore. I think most of Looper's Delight's = loopers are liveloopers, and that is a different animal = altogether - does Britney use any livelooping in her repertoire? =

 

-Michael

 

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------=_NextPart_000_003E_01CD4DF4.79E14DA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 07:23:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8ACA818345A; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 07:23:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 777228922/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.27.224/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.27.224 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAMon4E9YbRvg/2dsb2JhbAANHhqFV7M0AQEBAwEjFTYQCwsaAgUhAgIPAkYcAQWHfRAppW2TCYEgjQeCCYESA5pljR0 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,435,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="777228922" Message-ID: <4FE028E7.20108@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:23:19 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? References: <20120618235859.6291B183466@arsenic.violacea.com> <003d01cd4de3$b6587da0$230978e0$@de> In-Reply-To: <003d01cd4de3$b6587da0$230978e0$@de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 07:23:20 +0000 (UTC) Michael Peters wrote: > I think most of Looper's Delight's loopers are liveloopers, and that is > a different animal altogether - Hi Michael, Looper's Delight was specifically set up for *all* kinds of looping. Kim (founder)was always hoping for exchange of ideas across the broad spectrum of what constitutes "music with loops". He was convinced that the "live looping only" attitude often displayed on the mailing list was counter to this vision. (hmm, maybe that explains something...) He probably would not have approved of this:- http://www.livelooping.org/scripts/player.php?random=yes which is more of less our new "all livelooping radio". Sometimes it's hard to see the bigger picture, but I support Taylor's idea and would be happy if it could find a home on the Looper's Delight website. He seems to be more in touch with the spirit of the site than us guys. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 09:22:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE844183462; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:22:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1340097732; bh=+raSnJvAsZ339n+4h7hJIGjV5aA/q43Z9UwTJF9orxM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer; b=O+XsP91ADPeDfW6erg99+9XbC4Gl+cjJ2O/0P8mmLu+7Ok4n8wIDpqeYbHNZmp1i8vT9KPLHZnCWQCikWwGrbO0FdHV+ilUc0e3hJbag3YBJIN2+I3rqTsmMxE0mz8dyERxvZtrZom1v2sAE8gUNYhDaFjzbo6M3xGa3e6FVW68= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 392788.15748.bm@smtp107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 5t_NOT4VM1l0fafAZValgjnDEZdldxzutTR0UhfSibTC6bH e3UTj12hek0xx5oIcPmD5tS4CeKkjmcJY6a4sVAs2k3oca_9SpCEzHJIvbj5 HCETCCAMRKUlFD92Co62NcmQk4Zwe21QOZ.pKRQt25drBQCZTGFs.bjmN_g2 sk.mejir.K9lv1xQneGxmB_H7_DEQscWkP.ExfAgMmfUiu_jqzcCOeUyed1D Mo1BIDf66LauH2f8B9_tpfclwK1jJybhS5g3kqm2ktZ6Ob998l7eWGTu6OHc GjP0QwnoPqnRuOCXgOpgc2uBPPHCIpk2_XjoTe93BTHOAQbXOZYtYCNIDarH 34ejKzDrPcMCQwcd1ULPivKIoD9848_.LRNiSjkJHdIu2.JuJ2HZ2JV_c3s5 OLVS0zMdepSVZcQ9aXJDmAEfVaByIw6TbZFwZzK39cA57OYgfRy3GRCSRQnV aV1Ic876l_sPu2R53KLTODV5pD_YgA9h33g-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 75CdczOswBChen.W3AbLhaW8TlC96TVo5w-- From: Ben To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 11:22:12 +0200 Subject: Werkbench: sequencer/looper for ipad Message-Id: <20120619112212.E2E7F980.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: nPOPuk Ver 2.16 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:22:13 +0000 (UTC) Heloo, I just wanted to share this video. Not *really* live audio looping but I find it cool anyway. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aeY40bVfv0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pg1EIkCbVc Ben From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 11:50:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB25B18345E; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 11:50:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=k7WkDji7xMb4kVfYEi5L6hWPQuPrt2FzCRKZi6geEzI=; b=bHPNQ2sRevEzh28aX+FGMECdUVb77WHms0nZnur4KULXLEqZKWyUD6ZBKctFiFFuTE GVMKmrRLiaDRcrJpuiLKfYjM8a64cOF4KQdDykOWKKosJaLl26KHl3Yp6Gf4/Fw4d+Hx oTYWXt72efSGxYNlUg37jLt1mKBJ9CStG65bf8iBiw5s3EOAc9F5edCzmc1Zl7FKDYDS j3Ze2vT49sgVMWkBi+SgOMS1D3g6mNfEqkYxUC4gSIk0Un8/q/v4L8Kqoz75PAal93CJ FIPhgH3bTwm8E2BoUTgLFn5PTRomnR7XEcxwQndxKlbyxm3S7iufLs2Lha/vKY9tPcV4 VEMA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <34F757BB0B96412ABB54272B30B1DAA0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <34F757BB0B96412ABB54272B30B1DAA0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: todd reynolds Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 07:49:31 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MIDI Surface Controllers with LOTS of buttons To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec554d84490696e04c2d1e23b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 11:50:13 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec554d84490696e04c2d1e23b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yes sir=85 I'll check on my model number. On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Kris Hartung w= rote: > This discontinued one? > > http://www.faderfox.de/mark/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&view=3Darticle= &id=3D135&Itemid=3D177 > > You're looking at wrong fader fox tho. There's one that's ALL buttons x > 3 banks! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:58 PM, "Kris Hartung" > wrote: > > You guys are great...you are like an instant support service. > > Faderfox doesn=92t have enough buttons, but the Livid Block looks perfec= t, > plus has templates for Live. > Kris > > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =95 *The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011* - Amazon.com =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://toddreynolds.com http://twitter.com/digifiddler http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://facebook.com/toddreynolds http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds need me right away? Call or text me at 917.576.6166 --bcaec554d84490696e04c2d1e23b Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yes sir=85 =A0I'll check on my model number. =A0

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Kris Hartung <krispe= n.hartung@gmail.com> wrote:
This discontinued one?
http://www.faderfox.de/mark/index.php?o= ption=3Dcom_content&view=3Darticle&id=3D135&Itemid=3D177
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You're looking at wrong fader fox tho. There's one that's = ALL buttons x 3=20 banks!=A0

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:58 PM, "Kris Hartung" <krispen.hartung@gma= il.com>=20 wrote:

You=20 guys are great...you are like an instant support service.=A0=20 <wlEmoticon-smile[1].png>
Faderfox=20 doesn=92t have enough buttons, but the Livid Block looks perfect, plus ha= s=20 templates for Live.
Kris
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=95 The Best Classical Music of=A0the Year, 2011<= /i> - Amazon.com

=95=A0Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now avail= able wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however!=A0=

need me right away? =A0Call or text me at 917.576.6166



--bcaec554d84490696e04c2d1e23b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 12:46:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6139183466; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:46:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=j+eqAU+PeHFXv5yqOU5eAqg5LhAdhvVGRhxhgoslnt8=; b=yt6wtXK/zZdZZ6sdOPaoYpU2gMBXcv4CyXNC1UYhYGSXuduk6sIRghZLk3Qv/iiRcn Mwd4WdluFBIOtCH+5qyl7RyxlGIisC3kwGPadxoV9+q/yc2KFX61C8+hS3ZPClW8Rzm+ lshn9tQvq6Mjpj5XsTEFsHpxfVcw7NoDugC+15GeUs+4yCnkveW5Y67V7blagOborSUK ZLSgLx5Y203fPKfE8c750ZbNgUPxh673Vwk43nhq7RCkEh2DpHnn8PJRGfmQvtMWouDf OyTExiJido5PskYmQzNqJ44OAJpuE1Tb15JbH8RGSH4YNbQ2P6P1GUaQ72MKIR/vuseb j5Rw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <20120619112212.E2E7F980.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> References: <20120619112212.E2E7F980.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:46:34 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: MS_7FDtO_qiEqIul8TpClnFshMI Message-ID: Subject: Re: Werkbench: sequencer/looper for ipad To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba61548e5ea91404c2d2ad18 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:46:55 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba61548e5ea91404c2d2ad18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Seems cool, Ill prob get this and give it a go.. interested in this midi thing... seems like new fangled idea... wonder whether it works? ...but what about the Gui GFX? Is Kai Kreuse making a come-back? Excellent, glass glowing balls in fractal mud as gui design again! hurrah! On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Ben wrote: > Heloo, > > I just wanted to share this video. > Not *really* live audio looping but I find it cool anyway. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aeY40bVfv0 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pg1EIkCbVc > > Ben > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --90e6ba61548e5ea91404c2d2ad18 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Seems cool, Ill prob get this and give it a go.. interested in this midi th= ing... seems like new fangled idea... wonder whether it works?

...bu= t what about the Gui GFX? Is Kai Kreuse making a come-back?

<iro= ny alert>
Excellent, glass glowing balls in fractal mud as gui design again! hurrah!<= br></alert>



On Tue, Jun 19,= 2012 at 11:22 AM, Ben <benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> wrote:
Heloo,

I just wanted to share this video.
Not *really* live audio looping but I find it cool anyway.

= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7aeY40bVfv0
= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D1pg1EIkCbVc

Ben




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www.markfrancombe.com
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http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--90e6ba61548e5ea91404c2d2ad18-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 14:43:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBF93183466; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:43:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: MIDI Surface Controllers with LOTS of buttons Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 07:43:38 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:43:45 +0000 (UTC) have you consider a wireless approach? i've been using touch OSC on my I phone sending to a missing link wireless to midi ( or usb) converter. you could customize templates in a number of ways for soft buttons or faders, with an I pad you would have a larger control surface. I was able to put 20 soft buttons on a single template. bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 15:16:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 360C0183475; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:16:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=SaqBFXrPNeqXvYNxcnuMHKRAnxFNpskXQpEPoBZE5iI=; b=iNjeBUsW3nNLE1ERJgmtDWIBqYP2HlbdnIwoXjHcOlAejvlVsxJW+XrNzPt50rQJai 7BfIY0BsKTqNPWmnVpSJI3bDEfmKObVZHerfv7koalBXqUbceuwaDWQbySflXQzGDYc3 5fOJT5EWwH/3lhmKKXL+3VUSk4TzUpu9cdiuD5B3TjmJdiog6iDI3nxTvsuNuxdjTstT 9zIAC5kwmVoZScjUn4HZEr4ImocYZnpKW8n/SUUV22SzXQ3V/Cj18U9M1kDjDSAsoKMY jllRMmLXTY1nfZ/zeA0l8xSTrc3+qgPeR16r4PPDDBHc8/he4uNxV7OnL5Ojf/k5XY7P Yj5g== Message-ID: <55100AF59B3D4660A3794AD9A5C1403D@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: MIDI Surface Controllers with LOTS of buttons Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:16:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:16:25 +0000 (UTC) Oh, wow, Bill. Never heard of that. Interesting! I have an android too. DO you use internet wireless or infrafred? I'd think infrared would be better since you are not dependent on a wireless router. Can you send me a link to what you are using? -----Original Message----- From: William Walker Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 8:43 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI Surface Controllers with LOTS of buttons have you consider a wireless approach? i've been using touch OSC on my I phone sending to a missing link wireless to midi ( or usb) converter. you could customize templates in a number of ways for soft buttons or faders, with an I pad you would have a larger control surface. I was able to put 20 soft buttons on a single template. bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 15:21:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A582183481; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:21:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <8CF1B77FA0B5411-153C-2C8@webmail-stg-m02.sysops.aol.com> <4FDF7B9B.3040000@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: hacked In-Reply-To: <4FDF7B9B.3040000@tiscali.co.uk> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CF1C4649E4F6B9_E78_1945E_webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36451-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CF1C4649DDD299-E78-638A@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [151.201.255.29] Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 11:21:10 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1340119273; bh=w7jgyUqkjrQBlBezF6tlw4H33aEEc9swg0cC4/ObndM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QBDWpcxIxEjAMyo9J81Ca8C6iW9tPJ1jy5V0storkEtIpaMJYRVibJhnIt/zQ0lrb XR+OJR5q8F1e5gqJYkkR7fiZZa8+Y2/0ZRJkGOnsqUGaLLhk2thsSZPJfbkA0Ava1T iav+z575SA1v6VcQeCEoI3GhXmP1TWrs8sDZ+AgE= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:402301376:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a4fe098e91db8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:21:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CF1C4649E4F6B9_E78_1945E_webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" look at my feet! -----Original Message----- From: andy butler To: Loopers-Delight Sent: Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:03 pm Subject: Re: hacked how do we know this is really from you? michael klobuchar wrote: > sorry of you received mail from me.....my account was hacked >=20 >=20 >=20 =20 ----------MB_8CF1C4649E4F6B9_E78_1945E_webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" look at my feet!


how do we know this is really from you?

michael klobuchar wrote:
> sorry of you received mail from me.....my account was hacked
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----------MB_8CF1C4649E4F6B9_E78_1945E_webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 15:22:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A7EE18348C; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:22:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mec38EC8ylqv5OQAtel+yTLl+Gf4nuBVyAYMpwNrI04=; b=DrBdpMTDAwA9yIZtivshdAI8lvcGnGuFjOMsu1b8iRaowyue/y+b5unnbjMvro2qdA WFpoFQ8JLsUaihHdxWBH0rzEI7YUvyQJJbVhQNl1MopYKBkBQTjaZ+epnbP0wFgnHGje +xd0rgt7TftzWU4EAbIaXCLf40QZMb1OHrSR4vrcipyaC5SYheeT8fpFnpUfZmwmnHeK TE92l49h8KIy1d9IUUX50VnkJR2xikNcfQGAURlu3Vn1NNc5rKBaQH+wkoA7Cqrg+Wd7 KjN5wO9gtcptUZqycVDqpBrjUp8RQpimB8xt8Eof/OYcBKD73ZXbc9nGbHF27BKV9C8A lkJg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <55100AF59B3D4660A3794AD9A5C1403D@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <55100AF59B3D4660A3794AD9A5C1403D@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:22:47 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MIDI Surface Controllers with LOTS of buttons From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:22:48 +0000 (UTC) If you do go iPad http://liine.net/en/products/lemur/ $50 so its not cheap but far more robust than Touch OSC I believe (and some say better response as well). Kevin On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Kris Hartung w= rote: > Oh, wow, Bill. Never heard of that. =A0Interesting! > I have an android too. =A0DO you use internet wireless or infrafred? =A0I= 'd > think infrared would be better since you are not dependent on a wireless > router. > Can you send me a link to what you are using? > > -----Original Message----- From: William Walker > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 8:43 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: MIDI Surface Controllers with LOTS of buttons > > have you consider a wireless approach? i've been using touch OSC on my > I phone sending to a missing link wireless to midi ( or usb) > converter. =A0you could customize templates in a number of ways for soft > buttons or faders, with an I pad you would have a larger control > surface. I was able to put 20 soft buttons on a single template. > bill --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 15:22:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 164B6183498; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0420355430==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120619152245.3046.92240.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 11:22:47 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0420355430== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's=20because=20the=20name=20"Looper's=20Delight"=20says=20it=20all;=20i= t's=20not=20"Live=20Looper's=20Delight."=20And,=20 as=20I=20said=20in=20another=20post,=20anyone=20who=20listened=20to=20Britn= ey=20Spears's=20"I=20Wanna=20Go,"=20Jason=20 Derulo's=20"Whatcha=20Say,"=20or=20Cher's=20"Believe"=20would=20know=20that= =20there=20are=20loops=20in=20the=20vocals=20(if=20not=20 even=20the=20instruments).=20And=20tape=20loops=20are=20mentioned=20in=20ar= ticles=20here=20all=20the=20time;=20that's=20not=20live!=20So=20 that's=20a=20good=20thing!=20The=20number=20of=20live=20loopers=20on=20here= =20is=20also=20a=20good=20thing;=20I=20just=20wish=20Cher's=20producer=20 (who=20made=20those=20loops=20on=20"Believe")=20would=20slide=20on=20down= =20here.=20I'd=20love=20to=20see=20"From:=20Imogen=20 Heap"=20on=20here,=20lol. Tyler=20Z On=20Tue,=2019=20Jun=202012=2008:23:19=20+0100,=20andy=20butler=20wrote: > >Michael=20Peters=20wrote: > >>I=20think=20most=20of=20Looper's=20Delight's=20loopers=20are=20livelooper= s,=20and=20that=20is=20 >>a=20different=20animal=20altogether=20-=20 > >Hi=20Michael, >Looper's=20Delight=20was=20specifically=20set=20up=20for=20*all*=20kinds= =20of=20looping. > >Kim=20(founder)was=20always=20hoping=20for=20exchange=20of=20ideas=20acros= s=20the=20broad=20spectrum >of=20what=20constitutes=20"music=20with=20loops". >He=20was=20convinced=20that=20the=20"live=20looping=20only"=20attitude=20o= ften=20displayed=20 >on=20the=20mailing=20list=20was=20counter=20to=20this=20vision. >(hmm,=20maybe=20that=20explains=20something...) > >He=20probably=20would=20not=20have=20approved=20of=20this:- > >http://www.livelooping.org/scripts/player.php?random=3Dyes > >which=20is=20more=20of=20less=20our=20new=20"all=20livelooping=20radio". > > >Sometimes=20it's=20hard=20to=20see=20the=20bigger=20picture,=20but=20I=20s= upport >Taylor's=20idea=20and=20would=20be=20happy=20if=20it=20could=20find=20a=20= home >on=20the=20Looper's=20Delight=20website.=20 >He=20seems=20to=20be=20more=20in=20touch=20with=20the=20spirit=20of=20the= =20site >than=20us=20guys. > >andy --===============0420355430==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 15:32:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FD4418348D; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:32:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <4FE028E7.20108@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4FE028E7.20108@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: RE: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:32:55 +0200 Message-ID: <002e01cd4e30$cc95ab90$65c102b0$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-Language: de Thread-Index: Ac1N7GZyVqIXat4GTOqB9VF5WnzGkwARArww Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:32:59 +0000 (UTC) oh I'm definitely in favor of the radio station too, and of all kinds of = looping. I just thought that the "closed predesigned loop" thing is more = or less indistinguishable nowadays from the computerized way that most = pop music is made, anyway. Maybe an interesting discussion topic - does = non-livelooping loop music still exist as distinct method or style? not = sure about that -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 15:44:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D99718348E; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:44:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0420355430==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120619154436.4336.92240.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 11:44:38 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: RE: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:44:43 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0420355430== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It=20might=20not=20exist=20as=20a=20STYLE=20per=20se,=20but=20as=20a=20meth= od.=20There=20are=20people=20(like=20me)=20who=20perk=20up=20whenever=20the= y=20 hear=20the=20Heap=20sample=20in=20Jason=20Derulo's=20"Whatcha=20Say"=20repe= at=20(like=20"what-what-what-what-what=20 did=20she=20say?"=20or=20when=20they=20hear=20Cher=20"Do=20you=20believe=20= in=20life=20after=20love=20(after=20love-after=20love-after=20 love)."=20In=20fact,=20I=20had=20never=20heard=20of=20"live"=20looping=20un= til=20late=202011=20when=20I=20heard=20this=20 guy=20named=20Tim=20Exile=20on=20Youtube.=20I=20looped=20long=20before=20th= at=20though;=20but=20I=20looped=20in=20a=20way=20that=20pop=20 artists'=20producers=20did.=20You=20may=20think=20of=20studio=20loops=20as= =20"repetition."=20Well,=20look=20it=20up;=20 all=20sound=20repetition=20that=20is=20done=20with=20the=20same=20sample=20= is=20looping!=20The=20only=20audio=20repetition=20that=20is=20 not=20looping=20is=20when=20the=20same=20notes=20are=20played=20over=20and= =20over=20again,=20manually.=20But=20most=20repetition=20in=20pop=20 music=20is=20done=20either=20with=20tape=20(Beatles)=20or=20with=20digital= =20(Derulo).=20Of=20course=20I=20use=20 digital;=20I'm=20a=20new-age=20musician=20who=20just=20started=20around=202= 009-2010.=20But=20if=20the=20same=20sample=20 is=20copied,=20and=20then=20pasted=20again=20and=20again,=20that=20is=20tec= hnically=20a=20loop;=20a=20repetition=20of=20the=20same=20sample.=20 And,=20as=20I=20said,=20there=20are=20people=20who=20perk=20up=20when=20the= y=20hear=20Britney=20Spears's=20voice=20go=20"I=20(I,=20I)=20 wanna=20go=20(go,=20go)=20all=20the=20way=20(way,=20way)."=20Each=20sample= =20was=20copied,=20and=20pasted=20a=20few=20times.=20 It's=20still=20a=20loop;=20repetition=20of=20the=20same=20sample.=20I=20wou= ldn't=20be=20surprised=20if=20Looper's=20Delight=20 vol.=201=20CD=20(being=20the=2090s)=20contained=20a=20lot=20of=20songs=20th= at=20sounded=20like=20pop,=20but=20were=20lesser=20known.=20With=20 all=20the=20looping=20done=20in=20the=20studio.=20Let's=20just=20call=20non= -live=20repetition=20of=20samples=20"studio=20 looping."=20We=20want=20more=20studio=20looping=20in=20our=20mp3=20players= =20when=20we=20click=20links=20from=20the=20 Looper's=20Delight=20mailing=20list!=20I=20mean,=20come=20on!=20It's=20stil= l=20looping! Tyler=20Z On=20Tue,=2019=20Jun=202012=2017:32:55=20+0200,=20Michael=20Peters=20wrote: >oh=20I'm=20definitely=20in=20favor=20of=20the=20radio=20station=20too,=20a= nd=20of=20all=20kinds=20of=20 >looping.=20I=20just=20thought=20that=20the=20"closed=20predesigned=20loop"= =20thing=20is=20more=20or=20 >less=20indistinguishable=20nowadays=20from=20the=20computerized=20way=20th= at=20most=20pop=20music=20 >is=20made,=20anyway.=20Maybe=20an=20interesting=20discussion=20topic=20-= =20does=20non-livelooping=20 >loop=20music=20still=20exist=20as=20distinct=20method=20or=20style?=20not= =20sure=20about=20that > >-Michael > > --===============0420355430==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 16:33:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE6E4183481; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:33:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=aTvS8U+3Vum/ycsYCHPlf6IBZIBPTAO2Xb73z9sVwFQ=; b=NrHtZpzTy8V7zhRiTFNxnulKqV9uoz7BsMgA9E25v8lEDDZgSgov3UHIO866/1jtNh T5fQWKE1wY9oc/W44jvS+XyQi0qEwseD7i4oaRqjhu3/ijGhYTbk6tGhI7y5U8TA0xMe nuRXkWn/8/V0/H0V0cei6rh5QB1SW94i9oG0kp7K40NGQmr7R2wlPJFIla0eC9xdhSCZ B9Ib8pc8R/0UHGqlEWzaXuiLPYI4tTEskAAdyhcgsYANyhZgdRmM19pKWah79Gc0FvXF YOTisc8AXJleaAyQVZMRCLLK0s17DiRdUW6Qo6J0serA6PWjAsQmTY6lJuCdhZuwykm3 XowA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <55100AF59B3D4660A3794AD9A5C1403D@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:33:46 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MIDI Surface Controllers with LOTS of buttons From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:33:47 +0000 (UTC) It seems the vast library of control setups is what sells the Lemur app. And that draws on the real Lemur that was market leading... actually, there was no other for years - only the Lemur. So all the bundled templates are thoroughly tested by many artists. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > If you do go iPad > > http://liine.net/en/products/lemur/ > > $50 so its not cheap but far more robust than Touch OSC I believe (and > some say better response as well). > > Kevin > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Kris Hartung = wrote: >> Oh, wow, Bill. Never heard of that. =C2=A0Interesting! >> I have an android too. =C2=A0DO you use internet wireless or infrafred? = =C2=A0I'd >> think infrared would be better since you are not dependent on a wireless >> router. >> Can you send me a link to what you are using? >> >> -----Original Message----- From: William Walker >> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 8:43 AM >> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: MIDI Surface Controllers with LOTS of buttons >> >> have you consider a wireless approach? i've been using touch OSC on my >> I phone sending to a missing link wireless to midi ( or usb) >> converter. =C2=A0you could customize templates in a number of ways for s= oft >> buttons or faders, with an I pad you would have a larger control >> surface. I was able to put 20 soft buttons on a single template. >> bill > > > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble= . > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision:=C2=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 17:03:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D95FC183490; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:03:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 907 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:03:03 UTC X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.234.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:SN2PRD0410HT004.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-BigFish: PS-4(zzbb2dI98dI9371I1432Izz1202hzz8275ch8275bhc704dhz2fh2a8h668h839h944he5bhf0ah) Received-SPF: pass (mail104-db3: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.234.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.234.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=SN2PRD0410HT004.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: Tyler , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? Thread-Topic: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? Thread-Index: AQHNTjJuJBbgxACOQkeIcCfbNniX0pcBhk0A Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:47:51 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20120619154436.4336.92240.levelstar.mail@everest> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.255.115.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:03:03 +0000 (UTC) I'm sorry, but if this is the bar we're going to set for "looping" then just about all electronic music made since, well forever, is looping. Or any recording that has ever used a delay pedal. Or a sequencer. Or every awful hair band from the 80's with an Ensoniq Mirage. Or every hip-hop record ever made. I'm not a live looping purist, I enjoy creative use of pre-recorded samples and rhythm patterns, what some refer to as "dj looping". I realize this is a slippery slope argument, but I think there is a line between looping and studio processing that just happens to result in repetition. For me I think it is when "live" means performed live, but not necessarily recorded live. Editing a track in ProTools to get a little stutter effect is not IMO looping. I managed to make it through that Britney song, and it isn't at all clear that what she's doing is even looping. You could achieve the same thing just by sustaining a note and editing out chunks of it. Let's take a poll, is this looping? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbMuDtfxAIKk&feature=3Drelated Grumpy Old Man On 6/19/12 10:44 AM, "Tyler" wrote: >It might not exist as a STYLE per se, but as a method. There are people >(like me) who perk up whenever they >hear the Heap sample in Jason Derulo's "Whatcha Say" repeat (like >"what-what-what-what-what >did she say?" or when they hear Cher "Do you believe in life after love >(after love-after love-after >love)." In fact, I had never heard of "live" looping until late 2011 when >I heard this=20 >guy named Tim Exile on Youtube. I looped long before that though; but I >looped in a way that pop >artists' producers did. You may think of studio loops as "repetition." >Well, look it up;=20 >all sound repetition that is done with the same sample is looping! The >only audio repetition that is >not looping is when the same notes are played over and over again, >manually. But most repetition in pop >music is done either with tape (Beatles) or with digital (Derulo). Of >course I use=20 >digital; I'm a new-age musician who just started around 2009-2010. But if >the same sample=20 >is copied, and then pasted again and again, that is technically a loop; a >repetition of the same sample. >And, as I said, there are people who perk up when they hear Britney >Spears's voice go "I (I, I) >wanna go (go, go) all the way (way, way)." Each sample was copied, and >pasted a few times. >It's still a loop; repetition of the same sample. I wouldn't be surprised >if Looper's Delight >vol. 1 CD (being the 90s) contained a lot of songs that sounded like pop, >but were lesser known. With >all the looping done in the studio. Let's just call non-live repetition >of samples "studio >looping." We want more studio looping in our mp3 players when we click >links from the=20 >Looper's Delight mailing list! I mean, come on! It's still looping! >Tyler Z >On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:32:55 +0200, Michael Peters wrote: > > >>oh I'm definitely in favor of the radio station too, and of all kinds of >>looping. I just thought that the "closed predesigned loop" thing is more >>or=20 >>less indistinguishable nowadays from the computerized way that most pop >>music=20 >>is made, anyway. Maybe an interesting discussion topic - does >>non-livelooping=20 >>loop music still exist as distinct method or style? not sure about that >> >>-Michael >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 17:17:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B75018349C; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:17:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0420355430==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120619171730.4964.92240.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:17:31 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:17:40 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0420355430== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeff,=20you're=20theory=20is=20the=20one=20I=20believe!=20All=20electronic= =20music=20with=20repetitions! Tyler=20Z On=20Tue,=2019=20Jun=202012=2016:47:51=20+0000,=20Jeff=20Larson=20wrote: > >I'm=20sorry,=20but=20if=20this=20is=20the=20bar=20we're=20going=20to=20set= =20for=20"looping" >then=20just=20about=20all=20electronic=20music=20made=20since,=20well=20fo= rever,=20is >looping.=20=20Or=20any=20recording=20that=20has=20ever=20used=20a=20delay= =20pedal.=20=20Or=20a >sequencer.=20=20Or=20every=20awful=20hair=20band=20from=20the=2080's=20wit= h=20an=20Ensoniq >Mirage.=20=20Or=20every=20hip-hop=20record=20ever=20made. > >I'm=20not=20a=20live=20looping=20purist,=20I=20enjoy=20creative=20use=20of= =20pre-recorded >samples=20and=20rhythm=20patterns,=20what=20some=20refer=20to=20as=20"dj= =20looping".=20=20I >realize=20this=20is=20a=20slippery=20slope=20argument,=20but=20I=20think= =20there=20is=20a=20line >between=20looping=20and=20studio=20processing=20that=20just=20happens=20to= =20result=20in >repetition.=20=20For=20me=20I=20think=20it=20is=20when=20"live"=20means=20= performed=20live, >but=20not=20necessarily=20recorded=20live.=20=20Editing=20a=20track=20in= =20ProTools=20to >get=20a=20little=20stutter=20effect=20is=20not=20IMO=20looping. > >I=20managed=20to=20make=20it=20through=20that=20Britney=20song,=20and=20it= =20isn't=20at=20all >clear=20that=20what=20she's=20doing=20is=20even=20looping.=20=20You=20coul= d=20achieve=20the >same=20thing=20just=20by=20sustaining=20a=20note=20and=20editing=20out=20c= hunks=20of=20it. > >Let's=20take=20a=20poll,=20is=20this=20looping? > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbMuDtfxAIKk&feature=3Drelated > >Grumpy=20Old=20Man > > > > > >On=206/19/12=2010:44=20AM,=20"Tyler"=20=20wrote: > >>It=20might=20not=20exist=20as=20a=20STYLE=20per=20se,=20but=20as=20a=20me= thod.=20There=20are=20people >>(like=20me)=20who=20perk=20up=20whenever=20they >>hear=20the=20Heap=20sample=20in=20Jason=20Derulo's=20"Whatcha=20Say"=20re= peat=20(like >>"what-what-what-what-what >>did=20she=20say?"=20or=20when=20they=20hear=20Cher=20"Do=20you=20believe= =20in=20life=20after=20love >>(after=20love-after=20love-after >>love)."=20In=20fact,=20I=20had=20never=20heard=20of=20"live"=20looping=20= until=20late=202011=20when >>I=20heard=20this=20 >>guy=20named=20Tim=20Exile=20on=20Youtube.=20I=20looped=20long=20before=20= that=20though;=20but=20I >>looped=20in=20a=20way=20that=20pop >>artists'=20producers=20did.=20You=20may=20think=20of=20studio=20loops=20a= s=20"repetition." >>Well,=20look=20it=20up;=20 >>all=20sound=20repetition=20that=20is=20done=20with=20the=20same=20sample= =20is=20looping!=20The >>only=20audio=20repetition=20that=20is >>not=20looping=20is=20when=20the=20same=20notes=20are=20played=20over=20an= d=20over=20again, >>manually.=20But=20most=20repetition=20in=20pop >>music=20is=20done=20either=20with=20tape=20(Beatles)=20or=20with=20digita= l=20(Derulo).=20Of >>course=20I=20use=20 >>digital;=20I'm=20a=20new-age=20musician=20who=20just=20started=20around= =202009-2010.=20But=20if >>the=20same=20sample=20 >>is=20copied,=20and=20then=20pasted=20again=20and=20again,=20that=20is=20t= echnically=20a=20loop;=20a >>repetition=20of=20the=20same=20sample. >>And,=20as=20I=20said,=20there=20are=20people=20who=20perk=20up=20when=20t= hey=20hear=20Britney >>Spears's=20voice=20go=20"I=20(I,=20I) >>wanna=20go=20(go,=20go)=20all=20the=20way=20(way,=20way)."=20Each=20sampl= e=20was=20copied,=20and >>pasted=20a=20few=20times. >>It's=20still=20a=20loop;=20repetition=20of=20the=20same=20sample.=20I=20w= ouldn't=20be=20surprised >>if=20Looper's=20Delight >>vol.=201=20CD=20(being=20the=2090s)=20contained=20a=20lot=20of=20songs=20= that=20sounded=20like=20pop, >>but=20were=20lesser=20known.=20With >>all=20the=20looping=20done=20in=20the=20studio.=20Let's=20just=20call=20n= on-live=20repetition >>of=20samples=20"studio >>looping."=20We=20want=20more=20studio=20looping=20in=20our=20mp3=20player= s=20when=20we=20click >>links=20from=20the=20 >>Looper's=20Delight=20mailing=20list!=20I=20mean,=20come=20on!=20It's=20st= ill=20looping! >>Tyler=20Z >>On=20Tue,=2019=20Jun=202012=2017:32:55=20+0200,=20Michael=20Peters=20wrot= e: >> >> >>>oh=20I'm=20definitely=20in=20favor=20of=20the=20radio=20station=20too,= =20and=20of=20all=20kinds=20of >>>looping.=20I=20just=20thought=20that=20the=20"closed=20predesigned=20loo= p"=20thing=20is=20more >>>or=20 >>>less=20indistinguishable=20nowadays=20from=20the=20computerized=20way=20= that=20most=20pop >>>music=20 >>>is=20made,=20anyway.=20Maybe=20an=20interesting=20discussion=20topic=20-= =20does >>>non-livelooping=20 >>>loop=20music=20still=20exist=20as=20distinct=20method=20or=20style?=20no= t=20sure=20about=20that >>> >>>-Michael >>> >>> >> > --===============0420355430==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 17:28:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49DF4183492; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:28:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0420355430==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120619172758.5527.92240.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:28:00 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:28:08 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0420355430== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm=20listening=20to=20this=20Rock=20Me=20Amadeus=20stuff=20while=20typing= =20this,=20and=20in=20my=20opinion,=20it=20is=20looping!=20 Amadeus-amadeus-amadeus-amadeus Tyler=20Z On=20Tue,=2019=20Jun=202012=2016:47:51=20+0000,=20Jeff=20Larson=20wrote: > >I'm=20sorry,=20but=20if=20this=20is=20the=20bar=20we're=20going=20to=20set= =20for=20"looping" >then=20just=20about=20all=20electronic=20music=20made=20since,=20well=20fo= rever,=20is >looping.=20=20Or=20any=20recording=20that=20has=20ever=20used=20a=20delay= =20pedal.=20=20Or=20a >sequencer.=20=20Or=20every=20awful=20hair=20band=20from=20the=2080's=20wit= h=20an=20Ensoniq >Mirage.=20=20Or=20every=20hip-hop=20record=20ever=20made. > >I'm=20not=20a=20live=20looping=20purist,=20I=20enjoy=20creative=20use=20of= =20pre-recorded >samples=20and=20rhythm=20patterns,=20what=20some=20refer=20to=20as=20"dj= =20looping".=20=20I >realize=20this=20is=20a=20slippery=20slope=20argument,=20but=20I=20think= =20there=20is=20a=20line >between=20looping=20and=20studio=20processing=20that=20just=20happens=20to= =20result=20in >repetition.=20=20For=20me=20I=20think=20it=20is=20when=20"live"=20means=20= performed=20live, >but=20not=20necessarily=20recorded=20live.=20=20Editing=20a=20track=20in= =20ProTools=20to >get=20a=20little=20stutter=20effect=20is=20not=20IMO=20looping. > >I=20managed=20to=20make=20it=20through=20that=20Britney=20song,=20and=20it= =20isn't=20at=20all >clear=20that=20what=20she's=20doing=20is=20even=20looping.=20=20You=20coul= d=20achieve=20the >same=20thing=20just=20by=20sustaining=20a=20note=20and=20editing=20out=20c= hunks=20of=20it. > >Let's=20take=20a=20poll,=20is=20this=20looping? > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbMuDtfxAIKk&feature=3Drelated > >Grumpy=20Old=20Man > > > > > >On=206/19/12=2010:44=20AM,=20"Tyler"=20=20wrote: > >>It=20might=20not=20exist=20as=20a=20STYLE=20per=20se,=20but=20as=20a=20me= thod.=20There=20are=20people >>(like=20me)=20who=20perk=20up=20whenever=20they >>hear=20the=20Heap=20sample=20in=20Jason=20Derulo's=20"Whatcha=20Say"=20re= peat=20(like >>"what-what-what-what-what >>did=20she=20say?"=20or=20when=20they=20hear=20Cher=20"Do=20you=20believe= =20in=20life=20after=20love >>(after=20love-after=20love-after >>love)."=20In=20fact,=20I=20had=20never=20heard=20of=20"live"=20looping=20= until=20late=202011=20when >>I=20heard=20this=20 >>guy=20named=20Tim=20Exile=20on=20Youtube.=20I=20looped=20long=20before=20= that=20though;=20but=20I >>looped=20in=20a=20way=20that=20pop >>artists'=20producers=20did.=20You=20may=20think=20of=20studio=20loops=20a= s=20"repetition." >>Well,=20look=20it=20up;=20 >>all=20sound=20repetition=20that=20is=20done=20with=20the=20same=20sample= =20is=20looping!=20The >>only=20audio=20repetition=20that=20is >>not=20looping=20is=20when=20the=20same=20notes=20are=20played=20over=20an= d=20over=20again, >>manually.=20But=20most=20repetition=20in=20pop >>music=20is=20done=20either=20with=20tape=20(Beatles)=20or=20with=20digita= l=20(Derulo).=20Of >>course=20I=20use=20 >>digital;=20I'm=20a=20new-age=20musician=20who=20just=20started=20around= =202009-2010.=20But=20if >>the=20same=20sample=20 >>is=20copied,=20and=20then=20pasted=20again=20and=20again,=20that=20is=20t= echnically=20a=20loop;=20a >>repetition=20of=20the=20same=20sample. >>And,=20as=20I=20said,=20there=20are=20people=20who=20perk=20up=20when=20t= hey=20hear=20Britney >>Spears's=20voice=20go=20"I=20(I,=20I) >>wanna=20go=20(go,=20go)=20all=20the=20way=20(way,=20way)."=20Each=20sampl= e=20was=20copied,=20and >>pasted=20a=20few=20times. >>It's=20still=20a=20loop;=20repetition=20of=20the=20same=20sample.=20I=20w= ouldn't=20be=20surprised >>if=20Looper's=20Delight >>vol.=201=20CD=20(being=20the=2090s)=20contained=20a=20lot=20of=20songs=20= that=20sounded=20like=20pop, >>but=20were=20lesser=20known.=20With >>all=20the=20looping=20done=20in=20the=20studio.=20Let's=20just=20call=20n= on-live=20repetition >>of=20samples=20"studio >>looping."=20We=20want=20more=20studio=20looping=20in=20our=20mp3=20player= s=20when=20we=20click >>links=20from=20the=20 >>Looper's=20Delight=20mailing=20list!=20I=20mean,=20come=20on!=20It's=20st= ill=20looping! >>Tyler=20Z >>On=20Tue,=2019=20Jun=202012=2017:32:55=20+0200,=20Michael=20Peters=20wrot= e: >> >> >>>oh=20I'm=20definitely=20in=20favor=20of=20the=20radio=20station=20too,= =20and=20of=20all=20kinds=20of >>>looping.=20I=20just=20thought=20that=20the=20"closed=20predesigned=20loo= p"=20thing=20is=20more >>>or=20 >>>less=20indistinguishable=20nowadays=20from=20the=20computerized=20way=20= that=20most=20pop >>>music=20 >>>is=20made,=20anyway.=20Maybe=20an=20interesting=20discussion=20topic=20-= =20does >>>non-livelooping=20 >>>loop=20music=20still=20exist=20as=20distinct=20method=20or=20style?=20no= t=20sure=20about=20that >>> >>>-Michael >>> >>> >> > --===============0420355430==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 18:01:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58B1A1834A6; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:01:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=zuebAiGIrq9lg1MgY1DJauto/D5lALuKu60kf2RTit8=; b=qpzlKuTw7GPPcQN1wcrk6RrqlY9cf282Kfo44UvA5iquKU47zXkQGe3OqrMomIvOef MMI1d5fcxYZzj3iq+ZF+p86Q1Yp750cr2tZciitWDrJR91eGEcmqIGlDNx+Rv3B1q7wu FP4eZXxz08cGNy+OFOMFV6HsdTtm0XoUp6lwXQzD91H/1bZYK2ROTtLsRyNYlYyj2KEX 5p0xm9eFJXg+qBV5pkGLH1GLnMqIx2mvul51dc20InIZ532qTszjRlqnNtTuDbbf6fNS OZdOP8nGMsjxfnjRYAeUALpJLhjkeoDmJ/O7Y4p1Hdfx+w0F6VPeRVrhXjWslqemjZrs 6VAw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120619172758.5527.92240.levelstar.mail@everest> References: <20120619172758.5527.92240.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:01:18 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <4wTC6D.A.SUE.w5L4PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:01:20 +0000 (UTC) Tyler, If your definition of a concept is too general, it ceases to be a useful definition (it doesn't allow us to pick out instances of that concept apart from everything else). If you want to say that repeating the name Amadeus in a song is looping, I'm not going to argue with you. However, I will not adopt your definition... everything becomes looping under that definition, and talking about looping ceases to be intrinsically interesting... it's like talking about any kind of music but by using a term made meaningless by being too inclusive. Are you confusing repetition and looping? Sylvain From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 18:07:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E9571834B0; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0420355430==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120619180738.7035.92240.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:07:40 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0420355430== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What=20I=20meant=20was,=20part=20of=20the=20song=20(at=20the=20very=20begin= ning)=20has=20the=20word=20"Amadeus"=20being=20chanted.=20They=20 kept=20repeating=20the=20sample=20where=20the=20guy=20says=20"Amadeus"=20be= fore=20they=20start=20singing=20the=20word=20(regular=20 repetition).=20Have=20you=20ever=20noticed=20that?=20At=20the=20beginning,= =20it=20sounds=20like=20they=20used=20digital=20technology=20 to=20repeat=20the=20word=20"Amadeus"=20a=20few=20times.=20The=20digital=20r= epetition=20is=20the=20looping. Tyler=20Z On=20Tue,=2019=20Jun=202012=2014:01:18=20-0400,=20Sylvain=20Poitras=20wrote: >Tyler, >If=20your=20definition=20of=20a=20concept=20is=20too=20general,=20it=20cea= ses=20to=20be=20a >useful=20definition=20(it=20doesn't=20allow=20us=20to=20pick=20out=20insta= nces=20of=20that >concept=20apart=20from=20everything=20else). > >If=20you=20want=20to=20say=20that=20repeating=20the=20name=20Amadeus=20in= =20a=20song=20is >looping,=20I'm=20not=20going=20to=20argue=20with=20you.=20=20However,=20I= =20will=20not=20adopt >your=20definition...=20=20everything=20becomes=20looping=20under=20that=20= definition, >and=20talking=20about=20looping=20ceases=20to=20be=20intrinsically=20inter= esting... >it's=20like=20talking=20about=20any=20kind=20of=20music=20but=20by=20using= =20a=20term=20made >meaningless=20by=20being=20too=20inclusive. > >Are=20you=20confusing=20repetition=20and=20looping? > >Sylvain --===============0420355430==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 18:14:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8C101834B4; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:14:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=PZLvUdMLhdLIFEdnE6VjQZ9R4RCQl/YCeMmqTNFv4Ls=; b=NpUuuVD7VHgL1sYJkCasjbUYRaCepbztW5qK5B7b29y0ZwNjavFcmTQ8wTtoZdICaF u7T0F4g5b8JosMBrGV3B9rWiVsT8YHS02nWTMhclN3eLyD5/cedmeipwGM+vs3JjJAjb TGs0Ri37e/wzqhS5qDBdW6DhYPFSb8cuI/Q2g+EL9hQT2BugOUyzqpf+Gk1D6P/8QUdv tUjdnApfZkYR/E4WkCDXjikLk1J/G9IH0sqLk9Jko4BUrIKNi7nbthoNMoGTsv3AjctC PoVLiOBzDk8oyva/Zg0cSBStMl0A04Nw6rf5AFdHL+yU6XgTs94/KF8FmwAjlx0SmLJa faJQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120619180738.7035.92240.levelstar.mail@everest> References: <20120619180738.7035.92240.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:14:56 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:14:57 +0000 (UTC) Well you've put the damn song in my head, I might as well go listen to it now... Sylvain From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 18:27:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C32C1834B6; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:27:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.234.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:SN2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-BigFish: PS-4(zzbb2dI98dI9371I1432Izz1202hzz8275chz2fh2a8h668h839h944he5bhf0ah) Received-SPF: pass (mail121-am1: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.234.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.234.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=SN2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: Tyler , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? Thread-Topic: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? Thread-Index: AQHNTkZqJBbgxACOQkeIcCfbNniX0pcBodwA Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:27:02 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20120619180738.7035.92240.levelstar.mail@everest> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.255.115.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <4A7B6CB3C8CFD645A0C31D669B756431@namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:27:10 +0000 (UTC) Sure it's a loop. By that definition every guy that has ever held down a key on a sampler is a looper. That makes the definition to broad to be interesting to me, certainly not enough to motivate me to tune into a "looper station". By that definition, every dance channel or "mix" channel on satellite radio is a looper station and I've got about twenty of those already.=20 On 6/19/12 1:07 PM, "Tyler" wrote: >What I meant was, part of the song (at the very beginning) has the word >"Amadeus" being chanted. They >kept repeating the sample where the guy says "Amadeus" before they start >singing the word (regular >repetition). Have you ever noticed that? At the beginning, it sounds like >they used digital technology >to repeat the word "Amadeus" a few times. The digital repetition is the >looping. >Tyler Z >On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:01:18 -0400, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > > >>Tyler, >>If your definition of a concept is too general, it ceases to be a >>useful definition (it doesn't allow us to pick out instances of that >>concept apart from everything else). >> >>If you want to say that repeating the name Amadeus in a song is >>looping, I'm not going to argue with you. However, I will not adopt >>your definition... everything becomes looping under that definition, >>and talking about looping ceases to be intrinsically interesting... >>it's like talking about any kind of music but by using a term made >>meaningless by being too inclusive. >> >>Are you confusing repetition and looping? >> >>Sylvain From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 18:34:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB9791834BC; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:34:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0420355430==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120619183406.7224.92240.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:34:09 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:34:11 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0420355430== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You=20see,=20Mini-immi's=20like=20me=20are=20loop=20addicts;=20when=20we=20= hear=20a=20sample=20that=20has=20been=20repeated=20(not=20 to=20be=20confused=20with=20manual=20repetition),=20we=20say=20"Oh!=20It's= =20a=20loop!=20I=20can't=20believe=20it!"=20 Well,=20I=20wanted=20to=20know=20if=20there=20were=20any=20"I=20can't=20bel= ieve=20it's=20a=20loop"=20people=20outside=20the=20Mini=20 Immi=20community,=20and=20I=20found=20Looper's=20Delight,=20who=20were=20li= ke=20that=20since=201996.=20If=20you=20actually=20think=20 of=20it,=20the=20digitally=20repeated=20"what"=20in=20Derulo's=20Whatcha=20= Say=20(what-what-what-what-what)=20is=20the=20 exact=20same=20thing=20as=20Michael=20Peters=20repeating=20a=20guitar=20cho= rd,=20technically. Tyler=20Z On=20Tue,=2019=20Jun=202012=2018:27:02=20+0000,=20Jeff=20Larson=20wrote: >Sure=20it's=20a=20loop.=20=20By=20that=20definition=20every=20guy=20that= =20has=20ever=20held=20down=20a >key=20on=20a=20sampler=20is=20a=20looper.=20=20That=20makes=20the=20defini= tion=20to=20broad=20to=20be >interesting=20to=20me,=20certainly=20not=20enough=20to=20motivate=20me=20t= o=20tune=20into=20a >"looper=20station".=20=20By=20that=20definition,=20every=20dance=20channel= =20or=20"mix" >channel=20on=20satellite=20radio=20is=20a=20looper=20station=20and=20I've= =20got=20about=20twenty >of=20those=20already.=20 > >On=206/19/12=201:07=20PM,=20"Tyler"=20=20wrote: > >>What=20I=20meant=20was,=20part=20of=20the=20song=20(at=20the=20very=20beg= inning)=20has=20the=20word >>"Amadeus"=20being=20chanted.=20They >>kept=20repeating=20the=20sample=20where=20the=20guy=20says=20"Amadeus"=20= before=20they=20start >>singing=20the=20word=20(regular >>repetition).=20Have=20you=20ever=20noticed=20that?=20At=20the=20beginning= ,=20it=20sounds=20like >>they=20used=20digital=20technology >>to=20repeat=20the=20word=20"Amadeus"=20a=20few=20times.=20The=20digital= =20repetition=20is=20the >>looping. >>Tyler=20Z >>On=20Tue,=2019=20Jun=202012=2014:01:18=20-0400,=20Sylvain=20Poitras=20wro= te: >> >> >>>Tyler, >>>If=20your=20definition=20of=20a=20concept=20is=20too=20general,=20it=20c= eases=20to=20be=20a >>>useful=20definition=20(it=20doesn't=20allow=20us=20to=20pick=20out=20ins= tances=20of=20that >>>concept=20apart=20from=20everything=20else). >>> >>>If=20you=20want=20to=20say=20that=20repeating=20the=20name=20Amadeus=20i= n=20a=20song=20is >>>looping,=20I'm=20not=20going=20to=20argue=20with=20you.=20=20However,=20= I=20will=20not=20adopt >>>your=20definition...=20=20everything=20becomes=20looping=20under=20that= =20definition, >>>and=20talking=20about=20looping=20ceases=20to=20be=20intrinsically=20int= eresting... >>>it's=20like=20talking=20about=20any=20kind=20of=20music=20but=20by=20usi= ng=20a=20term=20made >>>meaningless=20by=20being=20too=20inclusive. >>> >>>Are=20you=20confusing=20repetition=20and=20looping? >>> >>>Sylvain > --===============0420355430==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 18:39:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B1161834A3; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:39:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.234.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:SN2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-BigFish: PS5(zzbb2dI98dI9371I169dpzz1202hzz8275chz2fh2a8h668h839h944he5bhf0ah) Received-SPF: pass (mail56-tx2: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.234.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.234.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=SN2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: Tyler , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? Thread-Topic: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? Thread-Index: AQHNTkodJBbgxACOQkeIcCfbNniX0pcBpVoA Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:39:38 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20120619183406.7224.92240.levelstar.mail@everest> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.255.115.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:39:44 +0000 (UTC) I guess for those of us that have been hearing "loops" for forty or more years, the thrill is gone. It takes a lot more than a what-what-what to get me excited-excited-excited. On 6/19/12 1:34 PM, "Tyler" wrote: >You see, Mini-immi's like me are loop addicts; when we hear a sample that >has been repeated (not >to be confused with manual repetition), we say "Oh! It's a loop! I can't >believe it!"=20 >Well, I wanted to know if there were any "I can't believe it's a loop" >people outside the Mini >Immi community, and I found Looper's Delight, who were like that since >1996. If you actually think >of it, the digitally repeated "what" in Derulo's Whatcha Say >(what-what-what-what-what) is the >exact same thing as Michael Peters repeating a guitar chord, technically. >Tyler Z >On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:27:02 +0000, Jeff Larson wrote: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 18:44:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D9AC1834AB; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:44:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.234.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:SN2PRD0410HT004.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-BigFish: PS5(zzbb2dI98dI9371I169dpzz1202hzz8275chz2fh2a8h668h839h944he5bhf0ah) Received-SPF: pass (mail73-va3: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.234.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.234.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=SN2PRD0410HT004.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: Tyler , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? Thread-Topic: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? Thread-Index: AQHNTkodJBbgxACOQkeIcCfbNniX0pcBpsIA Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:44:40 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20120619183406.7224.92240.levelstar.mail@everest> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.255.115.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <3488F1BBE392724AB9F8923E4A8CAB43@namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:44:47 +0000 (UTC) Oh and Michael Peters looping guitar chords live is not at all the same as some studio gnome using a ProTools macro, technically. On 6/19/12 1:34 PM, "Tyler" wrote: >You see, Mini-immi's like me are loop addicts; when we hear a sample that >has been repeated (not >to be confused with manual repetition), we say "Oh! It's a loop! I can't >believe it!"=20 >Well, I wanted to know if there were any "I can't believe it's a loop" >people outside the Mini >Immi community, and I found Looper's Delight, who were like that since >1996. If you actually think >of it, the digitally repeated "what" in Derulo's Whatcha Say >(what-what-what-what-what) is the >exact same thing as Michael Peters repeating a guitar chord, technically. >Tyler Z From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 19:43:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9678183465; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:43:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: FW: livelooping.org Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:43:25 +0200 Message-ID: <000d01cd4e53$caeb4200$60c1c600$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1OUAV8bpJisdwvSTWDaYSfH53MwAAAdnPQAABWeJA= Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:43:29 +0000 (UTC) hi Tyler (all others can safely ignore this :),=20 my private email to you was bounced (your comcast server thinks I'm = sending spam for some reason) so here's my reply via LD. =20 -Michael -----Original Message----- From: Michael Peters [mailto:mp@mpeters.de]=20 Sent: Dienstag, 19. Juni 2012 21:35 To: 'Tyler' Subject: RE: livelooping.org hi Tyler, yes I heard of m3u - I programmed the complete www.ct-collective.com = site which uses m3u. All its pages and all its m3u files are generated = from a database. Works fine for me. For livelooping.org - it cannot be "moved to" Loopers Delight because = Violet, LD founder Kim Flint's widow, doesn't open LD for any changes so = far, for reasons unknown to me. Neither did she change anything = substantially on LD so far, so it is still stuck in the 90s. Please ask = her on the LD list if you can help her with LD, maybe she will change = her mind.=20 Livelooping.org is hosted on my server but I was not (or very little) = involved with its development. -Michael -----Original Message----- From: Tyler [mailto:programmer651@comcast.net]=20 Sent: Dienstag, 19. Juni 2012 21:06 To: mp@mpeters.de Subject: livelooping.org Okay, I've gained a tiny bit of respect for livelooping.org for its new = information, but I think it could all be moved to Looper's Delight. LD = and LL should combine into the ultimate LD. So, this Livelooping player = (kind of like an online radio station that just plays loop music on = shuffle), I heard it uses Flash or something. Well, Flash is = inaccessible to the blind and visually impaired, and our wish is to have = a version of every online radio station in either pls or m3u.=20 Winamp. Have you ever heard of pls and m3u? Tyler Z From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 20:23:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24EE4183473; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:23:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=1ipT87z5B/XGK2XyjmIPlTGEFfdyAi8qPo8YDQqL16E=; b=QDjvWEt0Jc8Lyw0rOZ++oMyBh6UB8Akzjsf4l5m+pLy+d5V4aX1KfOqgE1ZJ3YQ1oS U4RwHYBB3BoMiL7EvFShfVwokx2wM85QwKO5D0/ruezy5vQdiYneoh4o6TjQrjXY6mQw A9dq/wpgmysHa2bNTd8sz3T+kMgvmY0K62yU8JCnmogx9+f0InKLrk45AqoxxEOyXMaz H5by2LS+4zraGWD1FDq/9moC0DjtX3RgfEcgauXp//udMKT2Z5Frnx3p/vxapbVzZOrq 2r+9Q21VtXLtQz46dBZlDFrn40G4dnOnnckg0dZ3RLOtS2oWVw8NYxIr29Y1d4XUUGcc P8Pw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <55100AF59B3D4660A3794AD9A5C1403D@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:23:52 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MIDI Surface Controllers with LOTS of buttons From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6dbdea09d438b04c2d90fc0 Resent-Message-ID: <21UNrB.A.ORG.Z_N4PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:23:53 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6dbdea09d438b04c2d90fc0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Not sure if you've heard of it but look up the QuNeo controller. That thing is flipping amazing I'll be getting one eventually. Every single button on it has multi-capabilities. Its its amazing for its price. Perfect for Live because it works as a beatpad but also doubles as a clip launcher. Check it out http://www.keithmcmillen.com/QuNeo/overview On Jun 19, 2012 9:34 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > It seems the vast library of control setups is what sells the Lemur > app. And that draws on the real Lemur that was market leading... > actually, there was no other for years - only the Lemur. So all the > bundled templates are thoroughly tested by many artists. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando > wrote: > > If you do go iPad > > > > http://liine.net/en/products/lemur/ > > > > $50 so its not cheap but far more robust than Touch OSC I believe (and > > some say better response as well). > > > > Kevin > > > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Kris Hartung > wrote: > >> Oh, wow, Bill. Never heard of that. Interesting! > >> I have an android too. DO you use internet wireless or infrafred? I'd > >> think infrared would be better since you are not dependent on a wireless > >> router. > >> Can you send me a link to what you are using? > >> > >> -----Original Message----- From: William Walker > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 8:43 AM > >> > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: Re: MIDI Surface Controllers with LOTS of buttons > >> > >> have you consider a wireless approach? i've been using touch OSC on my > >> I phone sending to a missing link wireless to midi ( or usb) > >> converter. you could customize templates in a number of ways for soft > >> buttons or faders, with an I pad you would have a larger control > >> surface. I was able to put 20 soft buttons on a single template. > >> bill > > > > > > > > -- > > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all > trouble. > > > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > > > > --0016e6dbdea09d438b04c2d90fc0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Not sure if you've heard of it but look up the QuNeo controller. Tha= t thing is flipping amazing I'll be getting one eventually. Every singl= e button on it has multi-capabilities. Its its amazing for its price. Perfe= ct for Live because it works as a beatpad but also doubles as a clip launch= er.
Check it out

http://www.keit= hmcmillen.com/QuNeo/overview

On Jun 19, 2012 9:34 AM, "Per Boysen" = <perboysen@gmail.com> wrot= e:
It seems the vast library of control setups is what sells the Lemur
app. And that draws on the real Lemur that was market leading...
actually, there was no other for years - only the Lemur. So all the
bundled templates are thoroughly tested by many artists.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen


On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando
<billowhead@gmail.com> wr= ote:
> If you do go iPad
>
> http= ://liine.net/en/products/lemur/
>
> $50 so its not cheap but far more robust than Touch OSC I believe (and=
> some say better response as well).
>
> Kevin
>
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Kris Hartung <krispen.hartung@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Oh, wow, Bill. Never heard of that. =A0Interesting!
>> I have an android too. =A0DO you use internet wireless or infrafre= d? =A0I'd
>> think infrared would be better since you are not dependent on a wi= reless
>> router.
>> Can you send me a link to what you are using?
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: William Walker
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 8:43 AM
>>
>> To: Loopers= -Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Subject: Re: MIDI Surface Controllers with LOTS of buttons
>>
>> have you consider a wireless approach? i've been using touch O= SC on my
>> I phone sending to a missing link wireless to midi ( or usb)
>> converter. =A0you could customize templates in a number of ways fo= r soft
>> buttons or faders, with an I pad you would have a larger control >> surface. I was able to put 20 soft buttons on a single template. >> bill
>
>
>
> --
> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have = a
> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trou= ble.
>
> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
>
> Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org
> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos
>

--0016e6dbdea09d438b04c2d90fc0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 20:29:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD17C183475; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:29:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 783353154/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.27.224/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.27.224 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAKrg4E9YbRvg/2dsb2JhbAANOIVXszQBAQEEIxUzDRELGgIFFgsCAgkDAgECATwJHAGuQJMjgSCNDYIJgRIDljeEL40d X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,439,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="783353154" Message-ID: <4FE0E12D.8030907@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:29:33 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FW: livelooping.org References: <000d01cd4e53$caeb4200$60c1c600$@de> In-Reply-To: <000d01cd4e53$caeb4200$60c1c600$@de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:29:31 +0000 (UTC) Tyler says >. So, this Livelooping player (kind of like an online radio station that just plays loop music on shuffle), >I heard it uses Flash or something. Nope, I'd not use Flash. It uses php and mysql to generate a web page with a list of links on it. Those links are played by 'Yahoo Media Player', because that's about the only way to be 100% cross platform. Then those 2 elements are hidden from view, using .css Then there's a custom GUI which gets info via PHP and controls the player via javascript. As well as playing everything on shuffle (freshly randomised each load) it allows you to select a playlist for just the current artist, assuming that during random play you may come across something that you want to hear more of. When playing, there's always a link available to the current artists site, and for the artist's own playlist you get to see their "mission statement", (or whatever it is they want to write about). ..and of course, there's a loop function for the whole playlist. Oh, and the process of adding artists, and letting them update their tracks (URLS) is automated. I don't know if it has much functionality for a visually impaired user, but if they click the link to it, it'll at least play just the same as a m3u. If you're an expert on that then any input you have is very welcome. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 20:39:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E6F2183475; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:39:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 139299.50776.bm@omp1029.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1340138359; bh=rr6h2tCJ4WDWJnSVyFl1MXG3TUC8WojGl3WIm5aDgu8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=b7Za/XUpg4HV1PMSDHCTvJgp1BSSEXodk6dZoWguHqiose0IGPPi/mcSPdyfjYbp1nOVe5wWttqQS+UHNOG7N0/d34rVpmc8sH38LVKpxaf/B2HDpuZQl1J5XOOX+VYViheslr5ybPyG3ItMmO/ONmC+S40y4C7hB1aW7/iF6es= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tMmmp8umopGEkt/WmJb+AB6Fi6IJCT4rQl8QkfXPUuQTtiB+CqI67eWEdnmzl22a4k0TiQ/tdXGxOVgxeH/m485m+5n67ir1KIu4TT43HDMl7fGdExgu8mDsb2KxT7GEbPiBiEYn/SbYv9xi0Mj5rX3FzrprV0Yx+A4QrJuK1GU=; X-YMail-OSG: XOJKIakVM1n3P57wVV_acUw5dKyrrYUAvroixC0wXi_EHpJ 9FA43QWWUGDCLg6YUAtTuOiRRZfmA1e1uO07K2dozLv7TT1N7ZH7oglh9dP4 FQPmhJHcia1ZHFEJhprG5M_sKi96H5__igyKh.W.B4ed_Hl7Sm3wvgGPz2qZ ek3cIKVkHIJ5Pjc.0LibqaUPFQWl44.yyZoa7SUuJL2ivQOMFaGPfMviTQ4G CqGJ96w47QLD.oKW_YuAVcSKF2Bo_PBIBOxy1PqmtIbG_Y4Ht_jjXOKTeV4S hAvQCm8Je45V4DW4va7K7az5j9VE89ixyiPpX7RjgNN42F8G6p5htSBqAh.w uVAh5VGPtQJkQNfK4qv86dtmmW3b75A_xji29j2opKR2cvGTbI285iXmqpKo myuv0N0Ersy3sBMvViL42qZ013vhhRTe5nuTnQg5cPJ5lErPXUouylsSqUgw jRazGVN8__q6giH1ioFeWG0f.DgGeC.hfIGND30ao X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <20120619180738.7035.92240.levelstar.mail@everest> Message-ID: <1340138359.98689.YahooMailNeo@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:39:19 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-3126525-1282101030-1340138359=:98689" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:39:21 +0000 (UTC) ---3126525-1282101030-1340138359=:98689 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Garsh yes, how many Talking Head songs are constructed around a loop. Rundg= ren did it in 74-75, (The Spark of Light/Eternal Treatise on Cosmic Fire/ce= rtain passages of The Ikon, etc).=0A=0A=0A________________________________= =0AFrom: Jeff Larson =0ATo: Tyler ; "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" =0ASent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:27 AM=0ASubject: Re: any= interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station?=0A=0ASure it's a loop= .=A0 By that definition every guy that has ever held down a=0Akey on a samp= ler is a looper.=A0 That makes the definition to broad to be=0Ainteresting = to me, certainly not enough to motivate me to tune into a=0A"looper station= ".=A0 By that definition, every dance channel or "mix"=0Achannel on satelli= te radio is a looper station and I've got about twenty=0Aof those already. = =0A=0AOn 6/19/12 1:07 PM, "Tyler" wrote:=0A=0A>= What I meant was, part of the song (at the very beginning) has the word=0A>= "Amadeus" being chanted. They=0A>kept repeating the sample where the guy sa= ys "Amadeus" before they start=0A>singing the word (regular=0A>repetition).= Have you ever noticed that? At the beginning, it sounds like=0A>they used = digital technology=0A>to repeat the word "Amadeus" a few times. The digital= repetition is the=0A>looping.=0A>Tyler Z=0A>On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:01:18 -= 0400, Sylvain Poitras wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A>>Tyler,=0A>>If your definition of a= concept is too general, it ceases to be a=0A>>useful definition (it doesn'= t allow us to pick out instances of that=0A>>concept apart from everything = else).=0A>>=0A>>If you want to say that repeating the name Amadeus in a son= g is=0A>>looping, I'm not going to argue with you.=A0 However, I will not a= dopt=0A>>your definition...=A0 everything becomes looping under that defini= tion,=0A>>and talking about looping ceases to be intrinsically interesting.= ..=0A>>it's like talking about any kind of music but by using a term made= =0A>>meaningless by being too inclusive.=0A>>=0A>>Are you confusing repetit= ion and looping?=0A>>=0A>>Sylvain ---3126525-1282101030-1340138359=:98689 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Garsh yes, how many Talking Head songs are constructed around a loop. Rundg= ren did it in 74-75, (The Spark of Light/Eternal Treatise on Cosmic Fire/ce= rtain passages of The Ikon, etc).
From: Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.= com>
To: Tyler <= programmer651@comcast.net>; "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com&qu= ot; <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: any interest in a L= ooper's Delight online radio station?

=0ASure it= 's a loop.  By that definition every guy that has ever held down a
= key on a sampler is a looper.  That makes the definition to broad to b= e
interesting to me, certainly not enough to motivate me to tune into a<= BR>"looper station".  By that definition, every dance channel or "mix"=
channel on satellite radio is a looper station and I've got about twent= y
of those already.

On 6/19/12 1:07 PM, "Tyler" <programmer651@comcast.net> wrote:

>What I meant was, = part of the song (at the very beginning) has the word
>"Amadeus" bein= g chanted. They
>kept repeating the sample where the guy says "Amadeu= s" before they start
>singing the word (regular
>repetition). H= ave you ever noticed that? At the beginning, it sounds like
>they use= d digital technology
>to repeat the word "Amadeus" a few times. The digital repetition is the
>looping.
>Tyler Z
>= ;On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:01:18 -0400, Sylvain Poitras wrote:
>
>=
>>Tyler,
>>If your definition of a concept is too genera= l, it ceases to be a
>>useful definition (it doesn't allow us to p= ick out instances of that
>>concept apart from everything else).>>
>>If you want to say that repeating the name Amadeus in= a song is
>>looping, I'm not going to argue with you.  Howev= er, I will not adopt
>>your definition...  everything becomes= looping under that definition,
>>and talking about looping ceases= to be intrinsically interesting...
>>it's like talking about any = kind of music but by using a term made
>>meaningless by being too = inclusive.
>>
>>Are you confusing repetition and looping?=
>>
>>Sylvain




---3126525-1282101030-1340138359=:98689-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 20:41:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 895CE183461; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:41:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FE0E415.4050008@virgin.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:41:57 +0100 From: Dave Draper Reply-To: Dave Draper User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? References: <20120619180738.7035.92240.levelstar.mail@everest> In-Reply-To: <20120619180738.7035.92240.levelstar.mail@everest> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-Smarthost01-IP: [82.69.58.35] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:41:58 +0000 (UTC) On 19/06/2012 19:07, Tyler wrote: > What I meant was, part of the song (at the very beginning) has the word "Amadeus" being chanted. They > kept repeating the sample where the guy says "Amadeus" before they start singing the word (regular > repetition). Have you ever noticed that? At the beginning, it sounds like they used digital technology > to repeat the word "Amadeus" a few times. I hate Mozart anyway. Dave The digital repetition is the looping. > Tyler Z > On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:01:18 -0400, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > > >> Tyler, >> If your definition of a concept is too general, it ceases to be a >> useful definition (it doesn't allow us to pick out instances of that >> concept apart from everything else). >> >> If you want to say that repeating the name Amadeus in a song is >> looping, I'm not going to argue with you. However, I will not adopt >> your definition... everything becomes looping under that definition, >> and talking about looping ceases to be intrinsically interesting... >> it's like talking about any kind of music but by using a term made >> meaningless by being too inclusive. >> >> Are you confusing repetition and looping? >> >> Sylvain From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 20:48:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D47F183473; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:48:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <20120619202354.89B63183478@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20120619202354.89B63183478@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:48:49 +0200 Message-ID: <001d01cd4e5c$edf66c80$c9e34580$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01CD4E6D.B17F3C80" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-Language: de Thread-Index: Ac1OWstko5tYTRG7SB+kLlimIH8Z3wAAf3Fg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:48:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CD4E6D.B17F3C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Oh and Michael Peters looping guitar chords live is not at all the = same as some studio gnome using a ProTools macro, technically. =20 =20 er ... hmm ... right :) =20 =20 Michael Peters =20 ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CD4E6D.B17F3C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> Oh and Michael Peters looping = guitar chords live is not at all the same as some studio gnome using a = ProTools macro, = technically.

 

 

er ... hmm ... right = :)

 

 

Michael Peters

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------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CD4E6D.B17F3C80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 20:50:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1F7B183477; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:50:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.234.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:SN2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-BigFish: PS-3(zzbb2dI98dI9371Izz1202hzz8275chz2fh2a8h668h839h944he5bhf0ah) Received-SPF: pass (mail121-va3: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.234.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.234.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=SN2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: Dave Draper , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? Thread-Topic: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? Thread-Index: AQHNTl0WGsGJDEeMZ0yLRFoRpzS8Og== Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:49:56 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4FE0E415.4050008@virgin.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.255.115.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <48195F98879DA246B5142A5F156A4B01@namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:50:04 +0000 (UTC) The first two EPs when he was still underground are okay, but then he sold out. On 6/19/12 3:41 PM, "Dave Draper" wrote: > I hate Mozart anyway. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 20:57:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 643C0183481; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:57:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:importance:x-mailer :x-mimeole; bh=l2ZR7uYhtwM2R5OaNgH+bHZOH+4wLWIuZNhSY1svnp0=; b=l4BoVvxLVrwMmzoqfSmtisKIaaaEqGpXoAKLQbMtYAFVEHyvXk5ayAtMSfbqFfkEgs 7UgE4T5/A1I98SR56PBlel/1zoJGpie3z1J5vIrexTkBOPAirlQkjoQDlcEprjlY5Avg f2T3GqpBC+tkZxr/HuPnyssi4iYLhZLtklf7yYJX1nr9f4eiVqAvI56/UQLJ8tHJCqDC +QAJsJqn+5uMFZheMGe8S9yah4PxSpULxW1O10+oYTsg6jgfebs/j8zbX30IUL1Ehbgj SkgZ3eCd/2qe/JQ5xm8voJMR5prHkOvGF+jXCeusnTZyLGwYunb+qiSJHH0dK3lhQaIm TiSQ== Message-ID: From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <55100AF59B3D4660A3794AD9A5C1403D@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: MIDI Surface Controllers with LOTS of buttons Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:57:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0295_01CD4E2B.CE140070"; type="multipart/alternative" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:57:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0295_01CD4E2B.CE140070 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0296_01CD4E2B.CE140070" ------=_NextPart_001_0296_01CD4E2B.CE140070 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ooooooh...it=E2=80=99s pretty and colorful too! =20 Not sure if you've heard of it but look up the QuNeo controller. That = thing is flipping amazing I'll be getting one eventually. Every single = button on it has multi-capabilities. Its its amazing for its price. = Perfect for Live because it works as a beatpad but also doubles as a = clip launcher. Check it out=20 http://www.keithmcmillen.com/QuNeo/overview ------=_NextPart_001_0296_01CD4E2B.CE140070 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ooooooh...it=E2=80=99s pretty and colorful too!     =
 
Not=20 sure if you've heard of it but look up the QuNeo controller. That thing = is=20 flipping amazing I'll be getting one eventually. Every single button on = it has=20 multi-capabilities. Its its amazing for its price. Perfect for Live = because it=20 works as a beatpad but also doubles as a clip launcher.
Check it out=20

http://www.keithmcmi= llen.com/QuNeo/overview

 
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Tyler=20Z On=20Tue,=2019=20Jun=202012=2021:29:33=20+0100,=20andy=20butler=20wrote: >Tyler=20says > >>.=20So,=20this=20Livelooping=20player=20(kind=20of=20like=20an=20online= =20radio=20station=20that=20just=20 >>plays=20loop=20music=20on=20shuffle),=20 >>I=20heard=20it=20uses=20Flash=20or=20something.=20 > >Nope,=20I'd=20not=20use=20Flash. > >It=20uses=20php=20and=20mysql=20to=20generate=20a=20web=20page=20with=20a= =20list=20of=20links=20on=20it. >Those=20links=20are=20played=20by=20'Yahoo=20Media=20Player',=20because=20= that's=20about=20the=20only >way=20to=20be=20100%=20cross=20platform. > >Then=20those=202=20elements=20are=20hidden=20from=20view,=20using=20.css > >Then=20there's=20a=20custom=20GUI=20which=20gets=20info=20via=20PHP=20and= =20controls >the=20player=20via=20javascript. > >As=20well=20as=20playing=20everything=20on=20shuffle=20(freshly=20randomis= ed=20each=20load) >it=20allows=20you=20to=20select=20a=20playlist=20for=20just=20the=20curren= t=20artist, >assuming=20that=20during=20random=20play=20you=20may=20come=20across=20som= ething=20that=20you=20want=20 >to=20hear=20more=20of. >When=20playing,=20there's=20always=20a=20link=20available=20to=20the=20cur= rent=20artists=20site, >and=20for=20the=20artist's=20own=20playlist=20you=20get=20to=20see=20their= =20"mission=20statement", >(or=20whatever=20it=20is=20they=20want=20to=20write=20about). > >..and=20of=20course,=20there's=20a=20loop=20function=20for=20the=20whole= =20playlist. > >Oh,=20and=20the=20process=20of=20adding=20artists,=20and=20letting=20them= =20update=20 >their=20tracks=20(URLS)=20is=20automated. > > >I=20don't=20know=20if=20it=20has=20much=20functionality=20for=20a=20visual= ly=20impaired=20user,=20 >but=20if=20they=20click=20the=20link=20to=20it,=20it'll=20at=20least=20pla= y=20just=20the=20same=20as=20a=20m3u. >If=20you're=20an=20expert=20on=20that=20then=20any=20input=20you=20have=20= is=20very=20welcome. > > >andy > --===============0420355430==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 19 21:30:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D330183499; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:30:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-1056953131 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Karmetik koolness From: Revfever Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:30:05 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:30:11 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-1056953131 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Here's some kool gear! 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Ted
Rev.Fever
Portlandia

wrote: > It might not exist as a STYLE per se, but as a method. There are people > (like me) who perk up whenever they > hear the Heap sample in Jason Derulo's "Whatcha Say" repeat (like > "what-what-what-what-what > did she say?" or when they hear Cher "Do you believe in life after love > (after love-after love-after > love)." In fact, I had never heard of "live" looping until late 2011 when > I heard this > guy named Tim Exile on Youtube. I looped long before that though; but I > looped in a way that pop > artists' producers did. You may think of studio loops as "repetition." > Well, look it up; > all sound repetition that is done with the same sample is looping! The > only audio repetition that is > not looping is when the same notes are played over and over again, > manually. But most repetition in pop > music is done either with tape (Beatles) or with digital (Derulo). Of > course I use > digital; I'm a new-age musician who just started around 2009-2010. But if > the same sample > is copied, and then pasted again and again, that is technically a loop; a > repetition of the same sample. > And, as I said, there are people who perk up when they hear Britney > Spears's voice go "I (I, I) > wanna go (go, go) all the way (way, way)." Each sample was copied, and > pasted a few times. > It's still a loop; repetition of the same sample. I wouldn't be surprised > if Looper's Delight > vol. 1 CD (being the 90s) contained a lot of songs that sounded like pop, > but were lesser known. With > all the looping done in the studio. Let's just call non-live repetition of > samples "studio > looping." We want more studio looping in our mp3 players when we click > links from the > Looper's Delight mailing list! I mean, come on! It's still looping! > Tyler Z > On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:32:55 +0200, Michael Peters wrote: > > > --0015175cab14a2771504c2dce0ef Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tyler,

If you search the archives this has been rehas= hed many times, but I think you are not quite recognizing a specific distin= ction that the "live-looping" term was designed to define. You se= em to be making a distinction between live versus studio use of pre-recorde= d loops, whereas in my understanding the "liveness" of the term &= quot;live-looping" refers to the actual real-time act of recording loo= ps in a live environment. Perhaps you understand this already and if so I a= pologize.=A0

I actually think that "looping" is indeed as = general as you have defined it, but I=A0also=A0agree with others that in be= ing so general, the term itself is not very interesting or useful these day= s. It is an extremely pervasive musical technique in that sense and it serv= es no function as a musical distinction in and of itself. In the most gener= al sense of the term, it is very difficult to=A0distinguish=A0between a rec= ording made up of copy and pasted repeated chords (looping) and a recording= of a person repeatedly playing the same chords. They are only different in= the live sense. To me, "looping" is a=A0distinction=A0which has = no real value, whereas the live-looping distinction, where the creation of = the loop becomes the performative and musical act as much as the manipulati= on of the loop, is a far more interesting and valuable distinction. You jus= t can't hear that process on a studio recording which happens to have r= epeated samples as well as you can experience that process when a musician = uses=A0technology=A0in a live setting to create loops in real-time.=A0

All that is my long-winded saying I agree with others t= hat a radio station that plays *any* music with loops would not be interest= ing to me without some further delineation of exactly what kind of loops yo= u are talking about.=A0

cheers
Michael

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:44 AM, Tyler <programmer651@comca= st.net> wrote:
It might not exist as a STYLE per se, but as= a method. There are people (like me) who perk up whenever they
hear the Heap sample in Jason Derulo's "Whatcha Say" repeat (= like "what-what-what-what-what
did she say?" or when they hear Cher "Do you believe in life afte= r love (after love-after love-after
love)." In fact, I had never heard of "live" looping until l= ate 2011 when I heard this
guy named Tim Exile on Youtube. I looped long before that though; but I loo= ped in a way that pop
artists' producers did. You may think of studio loops as "repetiti= on." Well, look it up;
all sound repetition that is done with the same sample is looping! The only= audio repetition that is
not looping is when the same notes are played over and over again, manually= . But most repetition in pop
music is done either with tape (Beatles) or with digital (Derulo). Of cours= e I use
digital; I'm a new-age musician who just started around 2009-2010. But = if the same sample
is copied, and then pasted again and again, that is technically a loop; a r= epetition of the same sample.
And, as I said, there are people who perk up when they hear Britney Spears&= #39;s voice go "I (I, I)
wanna go (go, go) all the way (way, way)." Each sample was copied, and= pasted a few times.
It's still a loop; repetition of the same sample. I wouldn't be sur= prised if Looper's Delight
vol. 1 CD (being the 90s) contained a lot of songs that sounded like pop, b= ut were lesser known. With
all the looping done in the studio. Let's just call non-live repetition= of samples "studio
looping." We want more studio looping in our mp3 players when we click= links from the
Looper's Delight mailing list! I mean, come on! It's still looping!=
Tyler Z
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:32:55 +0200,= Michael Peters wrote:


--0015175cab14a2771504c2dce0ef-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 01:00:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76632183461; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:00:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 240800.61940.bm@omp1055.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1340154041; bh=+9LvJ83G//kT7ImKp6slXP35JGetcSVdvOeBAUv48qs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WHWhBCs0bffgGNn7Z2XJaprFQQODq4p7Clnc77TdU3jmJ05mIytJ3QqXM8jtEPAMEbReyoh5sJgg7rmKsPxTLmdtG9ZtAnqMQh4r6DhrSAr1MEqmh8yWJBNd7rF7YqqiFR/iswqyErimUX3JZhVVzVech54RDMhgpwyJxXvtMAs= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=zBM2j5eJqmqHCYLy74T1WvhSyf+DJlpM0svJ+14iKclniS+lq4j4SJ3EkcURWkw6ZTyxoXGM6TYIGy4KWINrw34K4QZJcjhsPDRkphGXqRvtr+wH2W06ZcX75h/CufTCZbgXg53hwf45fFJYiUYvLt/oF3Y73eVMMiZyZrBIF1s=; X-YMail-OSG: dAnTqIgVM1kARa59aJ5oQZ5iNYZZUUHBfO8f.nBt5NeaMP0 3rocIEKwgLkLMZDnBMxEruYWkq1i0o8s0.r__ZgOKfdxx_a0bmRlkFS3JbZX XAFnj24OcRvnPBT5H7nzkPrDR6NpiHvw0BOAY_13Ztf5XJP1didfXx6roqnl ELow9y_M38L1NdqDoREkn36Waur8C3t2z0bcTLpQqsgb7ScfYtXzV_iWg9Ab azhcYEQgJKKfk5M_QRH0SpfUBvwK8JUYI5g2dDtYFGg_gpfKW5r9K3EC6_RS _cESdop6Rxp7LHiMKpvOL3Zl7sDpBzaCCvZeJljy9mKk8HcceD6SsWLKKzOe e42RXMvU6CKIe7gc3FyMBMK0NTvPcv75KH63p795JPmy9T3QjjXcH7yd24Bk 5bkthySUnhaEUK45Cp0o16hNcu9MaN96aKnqlkkOkW0qbX.B8GXoiJ3ATZEX TijDD5bCQwRmE21PgItQ6c.R6EyfBsjGzysojyj5LL0tqlGF3dP3O6A-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <20120619154436.4336.92240.levelstar.mail@everest> Message-ID: <1340154041.73051.YahooMailNeo@web162703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:00:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Elmer Fuddski Reply-To: Elmer Fuddski Subject: Re: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1395274837-1336692726-1340154041=:73051" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:00:42 +0000 (UTC) ---1395274837-1336692726-1340154041=:73051 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is a hard bunch. I recommend, though, that that Y2K-something stuff be= played late at night - it might help me to get to sleep with that droning = and such.=0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: michael nob= le =0ATo: Tyler =0ACc: Loope= rs-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 8:57 PM=0ASu= bject: Re: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station?=0A =0A= =0AHi Tyler,=0A=0AIf you search the archives this has been rehashed many ti= mes, but I think you are not quite recognizing a specific distinction that = the "live-looping" term was designed to define. You seem to be making a dis= tinction between live versus studio use of pre-recorded loops, whereas in m= y understanding the "liveness" of the term "live-looping" refers to the act= ual real-time act of recording loops in a live environment. Perhaps you und= erstand this already and if so I apologize.=A0 =0A=0AI actually think that = "looping" is indeed as general as you have defined it, but I=A0also=A0agree= with others that in being so general, the term itself is not very interest= ing or useful these days. It is an extremely pervasive musical technique in= that sense and it serves no function as a musical distinction in and of it= self. In the most general sense of the term, it is very difficult to=A0dist= inguish=A0between a recording made up of copy and pasted repeated chords (l= ooping) and a recording of a person repeatedly playing the same chords. The= y are only different in the live sense. To me, "looping" is a=A0distinction= =A0which has no real value, whereas the live-looping distinction, where the= creation of the loop becomes the performative and musical act as much as t= he manipulation of the loop, is a far more interesting and valuable distinc= tion. You just can't hear that process on a studio recording which happens = to have repeated samples as well as you can experience that process when a musician uses=A0technology=A0in a live sett= ing to create loops in real-time.=A0 =0A=0AAll that is my long-winded sayin= g I agree with others that a radio station that plays *any* music with loop= s would not be interesting to me without some further delineation of exactl= y what kind of loops you are talking about.=A0 =0A=0Acheers=0AMichael=0A=0A= =0AOn Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:44 AM, Tyler wrot= e:=0A=0AIt might not exist as a STYLE per se, but as a method. There are pe= ople (like me) who perk up whenever they=0A>hear the Heap sample in Jason D= erulo's "Whatcha Say" repeat (like "what-what-what-what-what=0A>did she say= ?" or when they hear Cher "Do you believe in life after love (after love-af= ter love-after=0A>love)." In fact, I had never heard of "live" looping unti= l late 2011 when I heard this=0A>guy named Tim Exile on Youtube. I looped l= ong before that though; but I looped in a way that pop=0A>artists' producer= s did. You may think of studio loops as "repetition." Well, look it up;=0A>= all sound repetition that is done with the same sample is looping! The only= audio repetition that is=0A>not looping is when the same notes are played = over and over again, manually. But most repetition in pop=0A>music is done = either with tape (Beatles) or with digital (Derulo). Of course I use=0A>dig= ital; I'm a new-age musician who just started around 2009-2010. But if the = same sample=0A>is copied, and then pasted again and again, that is technica= lly a loop; a repetition of the same sample.=0A>And, as I said, there are p= eople who perk up when they hear Britney Spears's voice go "I (I, I)=0A>wan= na go (go, go) all the way (way, way)." Each sample was copied, and pasted = a few times.=0A>It's still a loop; repetition of the same sample. I wouldn'= t be surprised if Looper's Delight=0A>vol. 1 CD (being the 90s) contained a= lot of songs that sounded like pop, but were lesser known. With=0A>all the= looping done in the studio. Let's just call non-live repetition of samples= "studio=0A>looping." We want more studio looping in our mp3 players when w= e click links from the=0A>Looper's Delight mailing list! I mean, come on! I= t's still looping!=0A>Tyler Z=0A>=0A>On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:32:55 +0200, Mi= chael Peters wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A> ---1395274837-1336692726-1340154041=:73051 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is a = hard bunch. I recommend, though, that that Y2K-something stuff be played la= te at night - it might help me to get to sleep with that droning and such.<= /span>

From: michael noble <loop= log@gmail.com>
To: = Tyler <programmer651@comcast.net>
Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 8:57 PM<= br> Subject: Re: any inter= est in a Looper's Delight online radio station?

=0A<= div id=3D"yiv1320008033">Hi Tyler,

If you search the arc= hives this has been rehashed many times, but I think you are not quite reco= gnizing a specific distinction that the "live-looping" term was designed to= define. You seem to be making a distinction between live versus studio use= of pre-recorded loops, whereas in my understanding the "liveness" of the t= erm "live-looping" refers to the actual real-time act of recording loops in= a live environment. Perhaps you understand this already and if so I apolog= ize. 
=0A

I actually think that "looping" is i= ndeed as general as you have defined it, but I also agree with ot= hers that in being so general, the term itself is not very interesting or u= seful these days. It is an extremely pervasive musical technique in that se= nse and it serves no function as a musical distinction in and of itself. In= the most general sense of the term, it is very difficult to distingui= sh between a recording made up of copy and pasted repeated chords (loo= ping) and a recording of a person repeatedly playing the same chords. They = are only different in the live sense. To me, "looping" is a distinctio= n which has no real value, whereas the live-looping distinction, where= the creation of the loop becomes the performative and musical act as much = as the manipulation of the loop, is a far more interesting and valuable dis= tinction. You just can't hear that process on a studio recording which happ= ens to have repeated samples as well as you can experience that process when a musicia= n uses technology in a live setting to create loops in real-time.=  
=0A

All that is my long-winded saying I agre= e with others that a radio station that plays *any* music with loops would = not be interesting to me without some further delineation of exactly what k= ind of loops you are talking about. 
=0A

cheer= s
Michael

On Wed, = Jun 20, 2012 at 12:44 AM, Tyler <programmer651@comcast.net> wrote= :
=0A
It might not exist as a S= TYLE per se, but as a method. There are people (like me) who perk up whenev= er they
=0Ahear the Heap sample in Jason Derulo's "Whatcha Say" repeat (= like "what-what-what-what-what
=0Adid she say?" or when they hear Cher "= Do you believe in life after love (after love-after love-after
=0Alove).= " In fact, I had never heard of "live" looping until late 2011 when I heard= this
=0Aguy named Tim Exile on Youtube. I looped long before that thoug= h; but I looped in a way that pop
=0Aartists' producers did. You may thi= nk of studio loops as "repetition." Well, look it up;
=0Aall sound repet= ition that is done with the same sample is looping! The only audio repetiti= on that is
=0Anot looping is when the same notes are played over and ove= r again, manually. But most repetition in pop
=0Amusic is done either wi= th tape (Beatles) or with digital (Derulo). Of course I use
=0Adigital; = I'm a new-age musician who just started around 2009-2010. But if the same s= ample
=0Ais copied, and then pasted again and again, that is technically= a loop; a repetition of the same sample.
=0AAnd, as I said, there are p= eople who perk up when they hear Britney Spears's voice go "I (I, I)
=0A= wanna go (go, go) all the way (way, way)." Each sample was copied, and past= ed a few times.
=0AIt's still a loop; repetition of the same sample. I w= ouldn't be surprised if Looper's Delight
=0Avol. 1 CD (being the 90s) co= ntained a lot of songs that sounded like pop, but were lesser known. With=0Aall the looping done in the studio. Let's just call non-live repetitio= n of samples "studio
=0Alooping." We want more studio looping in our mp3= players when we click links from the
=0ALooper's Delight mailing list! = I mean, come on! It's still looping!
=0ATyler Z
=0A
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:32:5= 5 +0200, Michael Peters wrote:
=0A

=0A
=0A


---1395274837-1336692726-1340154041=:73051-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 02:03:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48AFD183460; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:03:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Cucl8MADvJHhoiyRmLRqOenc9WIH4hUV/IbR3OR7X10= c=1 sm=2 a=WRSgfL_v0c8A:10 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=4OO3ICvmAAAA:8 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=OUXYneDTAAAA:8 a=B1Nh2dyhAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=_KGKIanAOt4_kbPYQ78A:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=95MwgnOA0vIA:10 a=xPenQdTmE3EA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=053Au2P4wpAA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=PTQm7LZ8qKo_3beTPecA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 64.180.207.141 Subject: Re: MIDI Surface Controllers with LOTS of buttons Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-20-1073370612 From: richard sales X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <34F757BB0B96412ABB54272B30B1DAA0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:03:43 -0700 Message-Id: References: <34F757BB0B96412ABB54272B30B1DAA0@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:03:55 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-20-1073370612 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Don't own one but plan to... Behringer BCR2000 http://www.behringer.com/DE/Products/BCR2000.aspx I'm going (hoping) to use it to control my Rhodes Chroma (and maybe some = of the other knob challenged old analogue synths) when it gets back from = restoration. Not sure if this is what you were after Kris, but I like = real knobs. Supposed to have total recall so I'm hoping I can have = templates for the different synths.=20 Anyone ever used one? =20 Is this what you were looking for? It's not buttons, it's rotary knobs. = The big Chroma is from the days when folks enjoyed wandering layers & = layers of pages on a small cast of membrane switches. Haven't read all the responses to your query yet Kris so maybe someone = else already recommended it and maybe it's been shot out of the sky. I = do know there's another quite savvy Rhodes Chroma user that uses it and = loves it.=20 richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.goodnaturefarms.com On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:20 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > This discontinued one? > = http://www.faderfox.de/mark/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&view=3Darticle&= id=3D135&Itemid=3D177 > =20 > You're looking at wrong fader fox tho. There's one that's ALL buttons = x 3 banks! =20 >=20 > Sent from my iPhone >=20 > On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:58 PM, "Kris Hartung" = wrote: >=20 >> You guys are great...you are like an instant support service. = >> Faderfox doesn=92t have enough buttons, but the Livid Block looks = perfect, plus has templates for Live. >> Kris >> =20 --Apple-Mail-20-1073370612 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Don't = own one but plan to...

Behringer BCR2000

I'm = going (hoping) to use it to control my Rhodes Chroma (and maybe some of = the other knob challenged old analogue synths) when it gets back from = restoration.  Not sure if this is what you were after Kris, but I = like real knobs.  Supposed to have total recall so I'm hoping I can = have templates for the different = synths. 

Anyone ever used one? =  

Is this what you were looking for? =  It's not buttons, it's rotary knobs.  The big Chroma is from = the days when folks enjoyed wandering layers & layers of pages on a = small cast of membrane switches.

Haven't read = all the responses to your query yet Kris so maybe someone else already = recommended it and maybe it's been shot out of the sky.  I do know = there's another quite savvy Rhodes Chroma user that uses it and loves = it. 

richard sales
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38">www.richardsales.com
= www.goodnaturefarms.com=











On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:20 PM, Kris Hartung wrote:

This discontinued one?
 
You're looking at wrong fader fox tho. There's one that's ALL = buttons x 3=20 banks! 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:58 PM, "Kris Hartung" <krispen.hartung@gmail.com>= ;=20 wrote:

You=20 guys are great...you are like an instant support service. =20 <wlEmoticon-smile[1].png>
Faderfox=20 doesn=92t have enough buttons, but the Livid Block looks perfect, plus = has=20 templates for Live.
Kris
 
<= /div>

= --Apple-Mail-20-1073370612-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 02:17:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50AB118345E; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:17:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Jie4jBvzT5vjOGWoB1Kbg/7em5umFIYJCpPO7sQFoW8D7uiJVH8/tNnI95fAGTfx; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <34F757BB0B96412ABB54272B30B1DAA0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:17:40 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: MIDI Surface Controllers with LOTS of buttons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7962598ffc59277ca3fcb251064fb873b7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: <89KXi.A.OBC.QLT4PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:17:52 +0000 (UTC) Not been following this thread, so excuse any possible redundancy. Has this been mentioned? LOTS of buttons: http://www.ableton.com/launchpad -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 02:22:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0121F183460; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:22:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:importance:x-mailer :x-mimeole; bh=0pPapS8zownbrAWmOIGaF5ZRoikQgqbFWiY2kVSmRsw=; b=v7OGax9ncJben7hlTfRZMGTqAizUlkMi3lg4cp4QC9XCDNl5obCV/ROYA37owfDflK DACe4rIcGtCwraEsmH35rzETHXo/l1RQSsXbD3GmHGcpsCtzYZe/YzHUZdURwK5YAeFC eS5YSNSDfPQFJ3j0NdeotGmamQungRY0gY5kYTmA3UvyqcKxJCjP+kvFMU9xfVS/AF7U Hnw33igFIJCdN5LYxYs/fPukWdN7GxjuWn50lZsSL+T8IFWVsoJGTrFwP1UtegiO2fZO f0wfyahIQh48RnvCyhxbaCEb86VfGy+CD7avDJkU12WLQnP+ekyLNTar/TFS+Chwnobc eWxg== Message-ID: From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <34F757BB0B96412ABB54272B30B1DAA0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: MIDI Surface Controllers with LOTS of buttons Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:22:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02E8_01CD4E59.3EB61A70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:22:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02E8_01CD4E59.3EB61A70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I bought the lividinstruments block. Just exactly what I need. Tons of = buttons plus 4 banks, template for Live, etc. I=92ll continue to use my APC40 as well, for track volume control, and = parameter tweaking. ------=_NextPart_000_02E8_01CD4E59.3EB61A70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I bought the lividinstruments block.  Just exactly what I = need. =20 Tons of buttons plus 4 banks, template for Live, etc.
I=92ll continue to use my APC40 as well, for track volume control, = and=20 parameter tweaking.
------=_NextPart_000_02E8_01CD4E59.3EB61A70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 06:08:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B396C18345D; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:08:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <20120620010043.2D956183465@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20120620010043.2D956183465@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:08:39 +0200 Message-ID: <003801cd4eab$23572420$6a056c60$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01CD4EBB.E6DFF420" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-Language: de Thread-Index: Ac1Og4kDQA5ASSk4SF2kQDqdK6Gf5gAJ2DVQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:08:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01CD4EBB.E6DFF420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael Noble said, =20 > a radio station that plays *any* music with loops would not be = interesting to me without some further delineation of exactly what kind = of loops you are talking about =20 agreed! =20 -Michael "not at all the same as some studio gnome using a ProTools = macro" Peters =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01CD4EBB.E6DFF420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Michael Noble said,

 

> a radio station that = plays *any* music with loops would not be interesting to me without some = further delineation of exactly what kind of loops you are talking = about

 

agreed!

 

-Michael "not at all the same as = some studio gnome using a ProTools = macro" Peters=C2=A0 =

 

 <= /p>

------=_NextPart_000_0039_01CD4EBB.E6DFF420-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 06:30:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10E69183462; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:30:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <0558B847-2DC6-4E69-96EA-2B392D560E2F@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-12--1058136358 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: MIDI Surface Controllers with LOTS of buttons Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:29:59 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:30:07 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-12--1058136358 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Oh, wow, Bill. Never heard of that. Interesting! > I have an android too. DO you use internet wireless or infrafred? > I'd think infrared would be better since you are not dependent on a > wireless router. > Can you send me a link to what you are using? I think it is internet dependent, i use my i-phone with the Missing Link which is the wifi to midi converter made by Hans lindauer that is designed to work in airplane mode and since moving to a newer I phone i've had no drop out problems whatsoever. touch OSC is available as an app but not sure if its droid compatible. i would think so the Missing link is here: http://wifimidi.com/ Bill --Apple-Mail-12--1058136358 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Oh, wow, Bill. Never heard of that. =  Interesting!
I have an = android too.  DO you use internet wireless or infrafred?  I'd = think infrared would be better since you are not dependent on a wireless = router.
Can you send me a link to what you are = using?

I think it is internet dependent, =  i use my i-phone with   the Missing Link which is the = wifi to midi converter made by Hans lindauer that  is designed = to work in airplane mode and since moving to a newer I phone i've had no = drop out problems whatsoever. touch OSC is available as an app but not = sure if its droid compatible. i would think so the Missing link is = here: http://wifimidi.com/
 Bil= l

= --Apple-Mail-12--1058136358-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 07:10:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 095DD183461; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:10:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=t6SR6uzjbKIGzW7/5XuB8ySBHFTBzzslqu+MvmsgXSI=; b=MtUrbO+yocAIZ3se2HMVUwhfk3H+lFuTyRuUSx+0wc4ozXzHNtiFgXBWs1UVdATe5e f3K2Q2Efc1CLBg15mVYkckTtaxb+zzYqWqTxiVyG+V2CD7qClgSj9Z+5CdmM/x3pGd+n jBkiTIBZyebHtWanOJAypt3YNALCRpKbNj+gW4YJNBhneOAvXmCmr1NYjmO/kU+YWzTF EmbztFQUNKnZZMEax9MHz8EPIgDXs6hJEHTdgIuqc+HkD+VFFTs7ckLo19oBtGlVxeMj M578FELaKD8tTk8EX51xb2E6sBG6GNXu08P12Y0F4Z12CN8sz+WGJ9cY5yTFHcDqej25 GqYg== References: <20120619154436.4336.92240.levelstar.mail@everest> <1340154041.73051.YahooMailNeo@web162703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: <1340154041.73051.YahooMailNeo@web162703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:10:25 +0200 Message-ID: <1225779214195775206@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba5bb947fac1be04c2e217e8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:10:28 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba5bb947fac1be04c2e217e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 haha ha... I just love Elmers posts!!!!! Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 20 Jun 2012, at 03:00, Elmer Fuddski wrote: This is a hard bunch. I recommend, though, that that Y2K-something stuff be played late at night - it might help me to get to sleep with that droning and such. --90e6ba5bb947fac1be04c2e217e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
haha ha... I just love El= mers posts!!!!!

Sent from my (advertisement removed)

O= n 20 Jun 2012, at 03:00, Elmer Fuddski <jakebrakesrule@yahoo.com> wrote:

This is a hard bunch. I recommend, though, that th= at Y2K-something stuff be played late at night - it might help me to get to= sleep with that droning and such.



--90e6ba5bb947fac1be04c2e217e8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 07:32:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FF61183464; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:32:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=3og8S8ORyi7BTq/XUf9kofZl/dp0JTM7+4D9N8d/kiE=; b=e2vbQ4yyngIUVr8QX8vFbAWlCNI2GOuH3IORYjf+AC8URYdAEzC+kK+TVyUopNfZN4 xH338BI+PpW18HRAnj5LlFYe4tuffjlIglqNwboLlT5FhzzD3I2rzKgwPnDSWYJbjtqH XkOyRI73QCLiWy45qeH/MUZUJTmk+G/EcjqPhjA8kDsGEWzB+jPnC/m0Svmcswxev2Yv TSkPtATzQc9NDLtr/5q5S0kov43GItYTt6Z9LtNF2vWEm46V5TAxuXgBFqXllZt5UKuM bliE8s+Q5Gu55UaX0lXRb6Cu0oD1IBj3F0zyPGNg3FFS9S0txth/vNArdY50FyHBtM3c 8Htw== References: From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:32:49 +0200 Message-ID: <9060413915034143360@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <3PIQOB.A.QuE.nyX4PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:32:55 +0000 (UTC) yes well I dont think that anyone would argue that LD is ONLY about live looping, we discuss all sorte of topics here, and Im sure many of us are using pre recorded loops too. Its true that In todays world loops are used In all types of recording, so that is too wide a scope for LD. But like Tyler I also think that LD need not be only about LIVE, and often improvised looping. The YK series of festivals IS an experiment, where the rule IS live loops. But it doesnt Ness follow that the YK parameters need following to the letter on LD. For myself, Im not so interested HOW. loop is made, whether live or edited by hand on a DAW. For me the interesting thing is that it SOUNDS looped, that a loop has a different sound than a played ostinato, so I LIKE loop points being audible, or slightly lumpy loops. I love the old tape-loop stuff ( My references: Severed heads, Cab voltaire, 23skidoo, Terry Riley,... etc) Even if Britney loops something.. not My personal taste you understand, then she has bought into a sound that used a looped phrase as a musical device... is interesting, and may be dicussed on LD .. mark Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 19 Jun 2012, at 19:03, Jeff Larson wrote: > > I'm sorry, but if this is the bar we're going to set for "looping" > then just about all electronic music made since, well forever, is > looping. Or any recording that has ever used a delay pedal. Or a > sequencer. Or every awful hair band from the 80's with an Ensoniq > Mirage. Or every hip-hop record ever made. > > I'm not a live looping purist, I enjoy creative use of pre-recorded > samples and rhythm patterns, what some refer to as "dj looping". I > realize this is a slippery slope argument, but I think there is a line > between looping and studio processing that just happens to result in > repetition. For me I think it is when "live" means performed live, > but not necessarily recorded live. Editing a track in ProTools to > get a little stutter effect is not IMO looping. > > I managed to make it through that Britney song, and it isn't at all > clear that what she's doing is even looping. You could achieve the > same thing just by sustaining a note and editing out chunks of it. > > Let's take a poll, is this looping? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMuDtfxAIKk&feature=related > > Grumpy Old Man > > > > > > On 6/19/12 10:44 AM, "Tyler" wrote: > >> It might not exist as a STYLE per se, but as a method. There are people >> (like me) who perk up whenever they >> hear the Heap sample in Jason Derulo's "Whatcha Say" repeat (like >> "what-what-what-what-what >> did she say?" or when they hear Cher "Do you believe in life after love >> (after love-after love-after >> love)." In fact, I had never heard of "live" looping until late 2011 when >> I heard this >> guy named Tim Exile on Youtube. I looped long before that though; but I >> looped in a way that pop >> artists' producers did. You may think of studio loops as "repetition." >> Well, look it up; >> all sound repetition that is done with the same sample is looping! The >> only audio repetition that is >> not looping is when the same notes are played over and over again, >> manually. But most repetition in pop >> music is done either with tape (Beatles) or with digital (Derulo). Of >> course I use >> digital; I'm a new-age musician who just started around 2009-2010. But if >> the same sample >> is copied, and then pasted again and again, that is technically a loop; a >> repetition of the same sample. >> And, as I said, there are people who perk up when they hear Britney >> Spears's voice go "I (I, I) >> wanna go (go, go) all the way (way, way)." Each sample was copied, and >> pasted a few times. >> It's still a loop; repetition of the same sample. I wouldn't be surprised >> if Looper's Delight >> vol. 1 CD (being the 90s) contained a lot of songs that sounded like pop, >> but were lesser known. With >> all the looping done in the studio. Let's just call non-live repetition >> of samples "studio >> looping." We want more studio looping in our mp3 players when we click >> links from the >> Looper's Delight mailing list! I mean, come on! It's still looping! >> Tyler Z >> On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:32:55 +0200, Michael Peters wrote: >> >> >>> oh I'm definitely in favor of the radio station too, and of all kinds of >>> looping. I just thought that the "closed predesigned loop" thing is more >>> or >>> less indistinguishable nowadays from the computerized way that most pop >>> music >>> is made, anyway. Maybe an interesting discussion topic - does >>> non-livelooping >>> loop music still exist as distinct method or style? not sure about that >>> >>> -Michael >>> >>> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 10:04:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E963183473; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:04:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=j3MfSD20TGbKgoHosdnKBc1Ne7ozVJw6F+m8zZ7IQiM=; b=qBMIYYSkKSxXyHQVS1AvC6zjFR4qkdPEkXf4WgCJt7V/GiKeGqZQN3hcxn4ZhRyptw 2FRns/MSZ0hWuEg9SDZ8XuLaZWQHlo6NXE9RL6uBQdFO1mSAQtsMKT+HzDqRv2Db2pOR fWm2ESzhuk/3QFZhx1JaiZtRSWsE/1+Jl6oplPwB5MHEKapanjKklO9YANjE1yAqorYl vMxXSo7ZvO7a//ElIjnuTHMTsdH2J+kmlc0AyEPbPRItveRqSgwqBy9vI7g58bcveTFX VNtoVvYgPPX3vaZf/G7rbQQ+WLyUrbQXyBrZBYCbsEyPr/Pvg0V2I9+6R0i7dD8gAs52 HpGA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:04:41 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Thanks LD From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:04:43 +0000 (UTC) Hi Guys, After a long 3 years of research, my PhD was awarded yesterday. Just wanted to express my thanks to those of you who took the time to answer a few questions back in 2009, including Rick, Bill, Andy, Per, Michael, Andre, Zoe & Matthias. You're all noted in the acknowledgements. Ricky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 10:10:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5BE1183474; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:10:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=27FYhYpOdMeDexXqhXlmvPWbPnVd68W4fzM8CTDCniA=; b=e7JYlwlU15aGC7kohI5RFEoc3L63QZkeLjhQae/sMpFnXVezyFDEqY9/6V1/SObAiB m4DNUEzdIOrbL6ZtBB2hPSMFaVHDSrXTBR0jtyi8BXcePsqgrFFvLNJ7k/syxRNDk4Jv 1Sqw2Reom4Ckq1QgMi985ZSI0zX1ZJ4c1zSGYZ+FB8V2p/HXXw5lhrQz0umwlKaTI+NB 06NlPZ7NGnKxxl6kzjISFSb/XdSbUJgeoD8K742WkRN+c5O9MMFARHOW92/6peAVTPND 0VI5qgaZVjceKc4wOGtqp2LZvrLVOMFJ0WHFnXymZ2sbSZoODF3SJJgpO1iKqY01u3gQ aH/g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:09:56 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Xo1USqdY9-od2FJVNZ6PhiMdgRE Message-ID: Subject: Re: Thanks LD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec520e9090b165404c2e49b01 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:10:17 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec520e9090b165404c2e49b01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey congratz Ricky!! I know how much time, stress and work it is... my wife is right in the middle of her diss... and can=B4t see the end... yet! It must feel great!? Or are you filled with a "now what" feeling? Mark On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Hi Guys, > > After a long 3 years of research, my PhD was awarded yesterday. Just > wanted to express my thanks to those of you who took the time to > answer a few questions back in 2009, including Rick, Bill, Andy, Per, > Michael, Andre, Zoe & Matthias. You're all noted in the > acknowledgements. > > Ricky > > --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --bcaec520e9090b165404c2e49b01 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey congratz Ricky!!

I know how much time, stress and work it is... = my wife is right in the middle of her diss... and can=B4t see the end... ye= t!
It must feel great!?
Or are you filled with a "now what"= feeling?

Mark

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:04 PM= , Ricky Graham <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
Hi Guys,

After a long 3 years of research, my PhD was awarded yesterday. Just
wanted to express my thanks to those of you who took the time to
answer a few questions back in 2009, including Rick, Bill, Andy, Per,
Michael, Andre, Zoe & Matthias. You're all noted in the
acknowledgements.

Ricky




--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--bcaec520e9090b165404c2e49b01-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 10:22:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C47F183479; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:22:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MQ+Mhq8YaXsdkg2t216ueLcbTvjazbtq0J4z+4f8u2E=; b=cbiDIdnDMmg/ACiwJr1MxuKQBZtf0agfqh1QkaMNO9PPew56FZmKjU3ecbnoixpWjl 7JBsn6f3jWFhKs5U+26Dh9VUv0jeecKULNdqdxMQBJqkIvf+ReVUcKCt/z1NYBGBJjyU QEmjW3xKCmhnu5oU/olEeLu1bnzpQDLFoWSHXEripJjW6AqaaH1KCeH8ZnlnL6iww/VL zxzQ+Kp916jxk/AVx/eMYHuHQTkIT3EmumEVaCD9lnteGpvFF1aIXkpcgROR64sRmJun OtIQjY3/V9hBMjiBhAibFq6zdP9SUn5Wy1pB4csSXSFHRzcaFclsEzVvR5QCAUU7wzZl mAVg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:22:16 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Thanks LD From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:22:17 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Mark. I was already working on the next phase :) On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:09 AM, mark francombe w= rote: > Hey congratz Ricky!! > > I know how much time, stress and work it is... my wife is right in the > middle of her diss... and can=B4t see the end... yet! > It must feel great!? > Or are you filled with a "now what" feeling? > > Mark > > > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Ricky Graham > wrote: >> >> Hi Guys, >> >> After a long 3 years of research, my PhD was awarded yesterday. Just >> wanted to express my thanks to those of you who took the time to >> answer a few questions back in 2009, including Rick, Bill, Andy, Per, >> Michael, Andre, Zoe & Matthias. You're all noted in the >> acknowledgements. >> >> Ricky >> > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 10:22:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26EAB18347C; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:22:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=tsJbAzNkRRqtWpqUU5mk6nHCmI1oRQwpioULQ6IUDXk=; b=EJt+YQ72JuE7rHIAa1Zyb2abABv6vDHJAfYq6vh4RRF5QUpFeiGANXhkKP8da6MkTL FcpHze3gIAGIM+ToHVAxBIeBgjMN+aUHLFtPjpXFLW4/Ealgq/YEHfe0oy04q2QU4UOq 6sVqzJH7V7xqhiF4or0ReQYg/MCNqbvpFlr4O8uC0mtz8w0eB1Q1HNmynujz+vFG/zE0 XZzFIrQBx8WJrk9lMfaLvWajt9etAQ7OgyMvqUNNqwc9cG+hy5J49GTf21B2wpr1OnTk NuXfhv1FuPLa6ysGxFeOc8cDVlBATJ1JT9mJpfEY6SaYQlKu7j6o529QexfO0RCAIrXz 9B5w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:22:56 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Thanks LD From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:22:57 +0000 (UTC) Good job! Send us a link when it's up somewhere. Sylvain On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:04 AM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Hi Guys, > > After a long 3 years of research, my PhD was awarded yesterday. Just > wanted to express my thanks to those of you who took the time to > answer a few questions back in 2009, including Rick, Bill, Andy, Per, > Michael, Andre, Zoe & Matthias. You're all noted in the > acknowledgements. > > Ricky > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 10:41:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8789A18347B; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:41:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <8FCFF98C23984A068A3B547AC3BB3EA5@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Thanks LD Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:41:54 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:41:55 +0000 (UTC) Congratulations and well done Ricky! :) -----Original Message----- From: Ricky Graham Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 11:04 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Thanks LD Hi Guys, After a long 3 years of research, my PhD was awarded yesterday. Just wanted to express my thanks to those of you who took the time to answer a few questions back in 2009, including Rick, Bill, Andy, Per, Michael, Andre, Zoe & Matthias. You're all noted in the acknowledgements. Ricky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 12:13:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EE9818347E; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:13:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:sensitivity:importance:subject:to:from:date:content-type :mime-version; bh=RYESDuFVXM2nkmUE2/LOCdBHKSnaWaGBO7wKQBesbD0=; b=pzjvDx220NvX6EGmcfbBvxmqJa8xgkyGvvd42mVcUigbLLIVg/MypZstgXz29cMKx5 zsAGuFeYv0zp9LTkyoqiz78TW1m2UN29bHnNG2O82Z4mCsckhDCBgPeZ1dV7H5v/aDWo Pqua4MQTGDIy/5nGtK17ubgZyFH4VJRdOS3kT90igJm3XuPoek73OpwouALG3EKs1XDQ xHBT10Rnf2ToxZKj7D3xeDibrzH91SfaoUStlYfy+wpPa4z2fX+tUnNFsrD7Zt43UPos B3OTIe/kyeSuDwoVINp0654upHnZXg51ZZy/SgiKHOv7u8ci7E95o+iRJxIXdWH7PUo0 zs0g== X-rim-org-msg-ref-id:313105207 Message-ID:<313105207-1340194434-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-609526651-@b3.c28.bise6.blackberry> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Reply-To: jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com X-Priority: Normal Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal Subject: Re: Thanks LD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:13:53 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:13:58 +0000 (UTC) Umlja3kgZXhjZWxsZW50ISBDb25ncmF0dWxhdGlvbnMgRHIuIEdyYWhhbSENCg0KSmltDQotLS0t LS1PcmlnaW5hbCBNZXNzYWdlLS0tLS0tDQpGcm9tOiBSaWNreSBHcmFoYW0NClRvOiBMb29wZXJz LURlbGlnaHRAbG9vcGVycy1kZWxpZ2h0LmNvbQ0KUmVwbHlUbzogTG9vcGVycy1EZWxpZ2h0QGxv b3BlcnMtZGVsaWdodC5jb20NClN1YmplY3Q6IFRoYW5rcyBMRA0KU2VudDogSnVuIDIwLCAyMDEy IDY6MDQgQU0NCg0KSGkgR3V5cywNCg0KQWZ0ZXIgYSBsb25nIDMgeWVhcnMgb2YgcmVzZWFyY2gs IG15IFBoRCB3YXMgYXdhcmRlZCB5ZXN0ZXJkYXkuIEp1c3QNCndhbnRlZCB0byBleHByZXNzIG15 IHRoYW5rcyB0byB0aG9zZSBvZiB5b3Ugd2hvIHRvb2sgdGhlIHRpbWUgdG8NCmFuc3dlciBhIGZl dyBxdWVzdGlvbnMgYmFjayBpbiAyMDA5LCBpbmNsdWRpbmcgUmljaywgQmlsbCwgQW5keSwgUGVy LA0KTWljaGFlbCwgQW5kcmUsIFpvZSAmIE1hdHRoaWFzLiBZb3UncmUgYWxsIG5vdGVkIGluIHRo ZQ0KYWNrbm93bGVkZ2VtZW50cy4NCg0KUmlja3kNCg0KDQpTZW50IG9uIHRoZSBTcHJpbnSuIE5v dyBOZXR3b3JrIGZyb20gbXkgQmxhY2tCZXJyea4= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 15:07:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56D5218345E; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:07:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Thanks LD Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:06:59 -0500 Message-ID: <010c01cd4ef6$57d96a00$078c3e00$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHbkwj0KOfty1Oth4HN9PiGr9IwpJbmxA1Q Content-Language: en-us x-vipre-scanned: 1B891AE0002F321B891C2D X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:07:06 +0000 (UTC) Congrats!! -----Original Message----- From: Ricky Graham [mailto:rickygrahammusic@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:05 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Thanks LD Hi Guys, After a long 3 years of research, my PhD was awarded yesterday. Just wanted to express my thanks to those of you who took the time to answer a few questions back in 2009, including Rick, Bill, Andy, Per, Michael, Andre, Zoe & Matthias. You're all noted in the acknowledgements. Ricky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 15:07:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EF63183466; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:07:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Subject: OT: Amazing way of virtually manipulating and collaborating in 3D space Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:06:59 -0500 Message-ID: <010701cd4ef6$57b0ac50$071204f0$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0108_01CD4ECC.6EDAF270" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac1O9XkZ1WMmqwzuSta4/9zduZ1H8w== Content-Language: en-us x-vipre-scanned: 1B8BBF1A002F321B8BC067 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: <7baQXB.A.My.Zce4PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:07:06 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0108_01CD4ECC.6EDAF270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This blew me away: Innovative, Virtual Way to Collaboratively Manipulate 3D Objects and = Data - The (T)ether from MIT=20 http://wp.me/pkQcg-Ti ------=_NextPart_000_0108_01CD4ECC.6EDAF270 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OT: Amazing way of virtually manipulating and collaborating in 3D = space

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------=_NextPart_000_0108_01CD4ECC.6EDAF270-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 15:26:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DB66183460; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:26:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20120620081705.bvk9s0lbwg8480gc@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:17:05 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, richard sales Subject: Re: MIDI Surface Controllers with LOTS of buttons References: <34F757BB0B96412ABB54272B30B1DAA0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:26:17 +0000 (UTC) I have a BCR2000, and I love it. I use it for controlling my LP1, as =20 well as Reason, and other software. -cpr Quoting richard sales : > Don't own one but plan to... > > Behringer BCR2000 > http://www.behringer.com/DE/Products/BCR2000.aspx > > I'm going (hoping) to use it to control my Rhodes Chroma (and maybe =20 > some of the other knob challenged old analogue synths) when it gets =20 > back from restoration. Not sure if this is what you were after =20 > Kris, but I like real knobs. Supposed to have total recall so I'm =20 > hoping I can have templates for the different synths. > > Anyone ever used one? > > Is this what you were looking for? It's not buttons, it's rotary =20 > knobs. The big Chroma is from the days when folks enjoyed wandering =20 > layers & layers of pages on a small cast of membrane switches. > > Haven't read all the responses to your query yet Kris so maybe =20 > someone else already recommended it and maybe it's been shot out of =20 > the sky. I do know there's another quite savvy Rhodes Chroma user =20 > that uses it and loves it. > > richard sales > www.glasswing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.goodnaturefarms.com > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:20 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > >> This discontinued one? >> http://www.faderfox.de/mark/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&view=3Darticle= &id=3D135&Itemid=3D177 >> >> You're looking at wrong fader fox tho. There's one that's ALL =20 >> buttons x 3 banks! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:58 PM, "Kris Hartung" =20 >> wrote: >> >>> You guys are great...you are like an instant support service. =20 >>> >>> Faderfox doesn=E2=80=99t have enough buttons, but the Livid Block looks = =20 >>> perfect, plus has templates for Live. >>> Kris >>> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 15:29:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38F9F183461; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:29:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=oq5ywvG/jid3WhD98epAHonp1rLuEXnKi98hYcBxRrc=; b=rCtb2H71y9AL/Vlj/1ddtIQZp5JLgox16YKMlwwa1ntPlnnafAGaKiVaM5dItj9S37 p9mWHb8MOSVcnQq/Ax9tKRoGoHEB40MbLd2KpUJ0qf4tIMetPV1YGOxz3m33ogm+Q1qG 1wXu2H6Wd7cg8J/4ZjEPr9swSFms2ZnSoV9bA3MM5W0GDpJIEV4iBP3zK2tQK1arAxhy C2QThJfAk0PI4A5miC4PkyDNSGk1fjrThfFXp763IePj1RMLdPrs2kPhuhVTgm7goCVr jDR7PF6+AlDLuhNKMMOyiZzovFKn7Wz6ep806OJf0yuwmUguRwKQ/KqFwutsW4O7oM+d ZdRQ== References: <34F757BB0B96412ABB54272B30B1DAA0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-10C55312-DAA7-4D32-A547-064E25399D56 Message-Id: Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Miles Ward Subject: Re: MIDI Surface Controllers with LOTS of buttons Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:29:39 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:29:43 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-10C55312-DAA7-4D32-A547-064E25399D56 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I can confidently report that when Richard gets this wired up, he'll melt kn= ee bones and ankle bones with it; set us all to flopping' about to the funki= ness :) SEND ME SAMPLES!! -Miles On Jun 19, 2012, at 7:03 PM, richard sales wrote: > Don't own one but plan to... >=20 > Behringer BCR2000 > http://www.behringer.com/DE/Products/BCR2000.aspx >=20 > I'm going (hoping) to use it to control my Rhodes Chroma (and maybe some o= f the other knob challenged old analogue synths) when it gets back from rest= oration. Not sure if this is what you were after Kris, but I like real knob= s. Supposed to have total recall so I'm hoping I can have templates for the= different synths.=20 >=20 > Anyone ever used one? =20 >=20 > Is this what you were looking for? It's not buttons, it's rotary knobs. T= he big Chroma is from the days when folks enjoyed wandering layers & layers o= f pages on a small cast of membrane switches. >=20 > Haven't read all the responses to your query yet Kris so maybe someone els= e already recommended it and maybe it's been shot out of the sky. I do know= there's another quite savvy Rhodes Chroma user that uses it and loves it.=20= >=20 > richard sales > www.glasswing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.goodnaturefarms.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:20 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: >=20 >> This discontinued one? >> http://www.faderfox.de/mark/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&view=3Darticle= &id=3D135&Itemid=3D177 >> =20 >> You're looking at wrong fader fox tho. There's one that's ALL buttons x 3= banks! =20 >>=20 >> Sent from my iPhone >>=20 >> On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:58 PM, "Kris Hartung" w= rote: >>=20 >>> You guys are great...you are like an instant support service. >>> Faderfox doesn=E2=80=99t have enough buttons, but the Livid Block looks p= erfect, plus has templates for Live. >>> Kris >>> =20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-10C55312-DAA7-4D32-A547-064E25399D56 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
I can confidently report t= hat when Richard gets this wired up, he'll melt knee bones and ankle bones w= ith it; set us all to flopping' about to the funkiness :)

SEND ME SAMPLES!!

-Miles

On Jun 19, 2012, at 7:0= 3 PM, richard sales <richard@gla= sswing.com> wrote:

=
Don't own one but plan to...

Behringer BCR2000
=

I'm go= ing (hoping) to use it to control my Rhodes Chroma (and maybe some of the ot= her knob challenged old analogue synths) when it gets back from restoration.=  Not sure if this is what you were after Kris, but I like real knobs. &= nbsp;Supposed to have total recall so I'm hoping I can have templates for th= e different synths. 

Anyone ever used one? &nb= sp;

Is this what you were looking for?  It's n= ot buttons, it's rotary knobs.  The big Chroma is from the days when fo= lks enjoyed wandering layers & layers of pages on a small cast of membra= ne switches.

Haven't read all the responses to your= query yet Kris so maybe someone else already recommended it and maybe it's b= een shot out of the sky.  I do know there's another quite savvy Rhodes C= hroma user that uses it and loves it. 


On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:20 PM, Kris Hartung wrote:

This discontinued one?
 
You're looking at wrong fader fox tho. There's one that's ALL buttons x= 3=20 banks! 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:58 PM, "Kris Hartung" <krispen.hartung@gmail.com>=20 wrote:

You=20 guys are great...you are like an instant support service. =20 <wlEmoticon-smile[1].png>
Faderfox=20 doesn=E2=80=99t have enough buttons, but the Livid Block looks perfect, pl= us has=20 templates for Live.
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= --Apple-Mail-10C55312-DAA7-4D32-A547-064E25399D56-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 15:59:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E251718345D; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:59:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=trufun.com; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject; bh=20c6/s/vp+DkCa2+VQEYpXosbutnREWoMqQh+tnLu0g=; b=NoqF7y4ROmy65QBK6gTMP2yC02NsND8ccS9DRaQo5AWN2JAVjG6CY4gYZBC678bkfGTuppkDucl73kxJ5qyh7WlXvpwx1qo0ouMKWScIq/vi+Wnq9mof4RXXIMSFgoc7; Subject: Re: Thanks LD Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Gans In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:59:30 -0700 Cc: David Gans Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:59:42 +0000 (UTC) Congratulations, Ricky! On Jun 20, 2012, at 3:04 AM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Hi Guys, > > After a long 3 years of research, my PhD was awarded yesterday. Just > wanted to express my thanks to those of you who took the time to > answer a few questions back in 2009, including Rick, Bill, Andy, Per, > Michael, Andre, Zoe & Matthias. You're all noted in the > acknowledgements. > > Ricky > David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 16:10:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A96F6183462; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:10:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ld9L7V8+0yVHi/uHRN5f4oNUrLYYq5PSX39gAmywy18=; b=DsLgzobvm1ZAsxfe2u77Km6ivHL7gsUWp55kO8/sgUgl9W/xMw2oqnaXCzrVlJXHGP aLTjW6jdKFaIfAJkbkiC81wy6+gZj2EVny47MCB5hNU0+zBLb4UU9h3SBNDdVJCYkgR9 ROYXaFqadPgtz7kO9R2B4JULAoczNyuH1cgrYUYuTtVGgCNyLhBPvhwgNu97dVmJ+iPk nfDWq8FviOQBR6ztvWx3QSULuXkYRxTXnGeBo3uf9zicfdu0AFOIe+r7eCos2NSQfM2R /wVpQQWcbymDrzyZbEdMuSkKsOHTJHzrQfIEO8b7T6HlcuUz0E0T+0rZh1CFUtsYWiYl xhZQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:10:35 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: MRI recording From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9399cada56e6604c2e9a382 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:10:36 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9399cada56e6604c2e9a382 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey loopers! I have an MRI scheduled this eve and was wondering how you could record the sounds. I love the ct album MRI but didn't get much info about how to do it. thanks! Jeff http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/ --14dae9399cada56e6604c2e9a382 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey loopers! I have an MRI scheduled this eve and was wondering how you cou= ld record the sounds. I love the ct album
MRI but didn't get much i= nfo about how to do it.

thanks!

Jeff


http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/
--14dae9399cada56e6604c2e9a382-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 16:34:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EE6618345E; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:34:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <87B69F6EF57143F6BCD983E90E8DFDDF@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: MRI recording Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:34:27 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CD4F0A.F130D8F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:34:29 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CD4F0A.F130D8F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Use a personal recorder but you can=E2=80=99t get it near the thing. = Ask the attendant whether they can do the record-button thang while = you=E2=80=99re in it. And ask for the video frames! From: Jeff Duke=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:10 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: MRI recording Hey loopers! I have an MRI scheduled this eve and was wondering how you = could record the sounds. I love the ct album=20 MRI but didn't get much info about how to do it. thanks! Jeff http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CD4F0A.F130D8F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Use a personal recorder but you can=E2=80=99t get it near the = thing.  Ask the=20 attendant whether they can do the record-button thang while = you=E2=80=99re in it. =20 And ask for the video frames!
 
From: Jeff Duke
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:10 PM
Subject: MRI recording
 
Hey=20 loopers! I have an MRI scheduled this eve and was wondering how you = could record=20 the sounds. I love the ct album
MRI but didn't get much info about = how to do=20 it.

thanks!

Jeff


http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/<= BR>
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CD4F0A.F130D8F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 16:43:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21BC618345E; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:43:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:importance:x-mailer :x-mimeole; bh=7zb/T7/NYwWJUIo9BcFI6DYlkOHqpITYWy91ieOYm2Y=; b=MYrrSkns5Qlx4RGWnQwrQFyPWEwNKnx5bWFzvYVXBZT56mEni6pZuVp9mKDERbzCak 85DfFW6HOFX0mwX4aOy8bDDTc9gWhVdVk5TpyebYdgkg/gokE5LcQqeSsmCpkVEywJuL V1JXRchE8wdnWWmWHPUCFgRmTvGwCOOLIO9cHaEAHfGO03wi0JdkGR5AQ7cqxvTokEd9 Cc5XhyC+fMmBP6hBu2qf0KFhRpvOKL9JhvspBlwk54iNToVgb5HqGXGRRdmvegM/5MRr eXm6B9zUAt1e5NANEf0GqOPItzEnK4T67A7NDrVCJm87YqNM9EP/9Q8JY/ie43E1a/dj L6EA== Message-ID: <8D98AB2ABC994171BCC3218D136847ED@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <87B69F6EF57143F6BCD983E90E8DFDDF@ELUK1> In-Reply-To: <87B69F6EF57143F6BCD983E90E8DFDDF@ELUK1> Subject: Re: MRI recording Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:43:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0360_01CD4ED1.7F1CFCF0"; type="multipart/alternative" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:43:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0360_01CD4ED1.7F1CFCF0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0361_01CD4ED1.7F1EF8C0" ------=_NextPart_001_0361_01CD4ED1.7F1EF8C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good luck with that. But since I led this CD project, I may have the = source files. I received them from an MRI tech who figured out a way to = record the sounds. They all pretty much sound the same, unless you just want your own = personal MRI session recorded. I actually enjoyed the session very much. It was peaceful and the sounds = lulled me into a calm mood. =20 Steroid, spinal tap shot? That is a different story. I did not enjoy = that! From: Stephen Goodman=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 10:34 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Re: MRI recording Use a personal recorder but you can=E2=80=99t get it near the thing. = Ask the attendant whether they can do the record-button thang while = you=E2=80=99re in it. And ask for the video frames! From: Jeff Duke=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:10 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: MRI recording Hey loopers! I have an MRI scheduled this eve and was wondering how you = could record the sounds. I love the ct album=20 MRI but didn't get much info about how to do it. thanks! Jeff http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/ ------=_NextPart_001_0361_01CD4ED1.7F1EF8C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good luck with that.   But since I led this CD project, I = may=20 have the source files. I received them from an MRI tech who figured out = a way to=20 record the sounds.
They all pretty much sound the same, unless you just want your own = personal=20 MRI session recorded.
I actually enjoyed the session very much. It was peaceful and the = sounds=20 lulled me into a calm mood. 
 
Steroid, spinal tap shot?  That is a different story. I did = not enjoy=20 that!
 
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: MRI recording
 
Use a personal recorder but you can=E2=80=99t get it near the = thing.  Ask the=20 attendant whether they can do the record-button thang while = you=E2=80=99re in it. =20 And ask for the video frames!
 
From: Jeff Duke
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:10 PM
Subject: MRI recording
 
Hey=20 loopers! I have an MRI scheduled this eve and was wondering how you = could record=20 the sounds. I love the ct album
MRI but didn't get much info about = how to do=20 it.

thanks!

Jeff


http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/<= BR>
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This was amazing. I laid down on a sliding table, and they = pushed me into a sarcophagus like tube with mere inches around my entire = body. They put large headphones on my head, and then for the next 30 = minutes I was eased into a seemingly euphoric and meditative state. What = I heard were a series of interesting sounds...from jackhammer-like = hammering, to buzzing or vibrating cycles, bizarre sci-fi industrial = like sounds, and so on. It was delightful. The MRI technician said it = was a rarity for someone to actually enjoy that procedure. At one point = in time, I was in a half waking/dream state and was awoke by my leg = twitching. I could have stayed in there most of the day. And the = amazing thing is that when I asked about the source of the sounds, he = said they were not mechanically generated; rather, around my body, = encased in metal, was a giant electrical coil surrounded by helium, = chilled down to a cool minus 270 degrees. The sounds were a result of = changes they were making in the electrical current and the resulting = vibrations to the machine. Unbelievable...not sure how all that produces = an image of my back, however. ...anyway, I started thinking, I would love to have that 30 minutes = captured on a digital recorder so that I could use it for looping or as = an ambient backdrop to my more experimental looping. Are there any MRI technicians on the list?=E2=80=9D Kris =E2=80=9DThe machine I was encased in wasn't unbearable at all...in = fact, with the firearm shooting headphones (exactly this, in fact, but modified with = the plastic tube from the control room), the sound was perfect. Those = firearm headphones filter out a lot of high end, and what I heard with them on = was exquisite...no more or less louder than the volume that I use for = listening to music. I wish I had turned the lights off in the dressing room when = I removed the pants they provided, however, because the static electricity = was unbelievable. In light of the question, where's the melody...I did discern tones, = albeit very constant and industry like. I concur with Edward's comments about = it sounding like a strange sci-fi moving. In fact, it sort of reminded me = of Forbidden Planet and the scene where they were taking a tour of that monstrous facility under ground with all the automated machinery = developed by aliens.=E2=80=9D Kris FYI: from http://ucdirc.ucdavis.edu/facilities/index.php (see excerpt = below). This machine looks exactly like the one I was in. Article = discusses audio capturing techniques. This URL has a sound clip of the MRI scan: = http://www.cis.rit.edu/htbooks/mri/chap-13/chap-13.htm Direct Link to wav file: = http://www.cis.rit.edu/htbooks/mri/chap-13/sounds/se-1.wav (it is only = one of many of the sounds...probably the most uninspiring in my = opinion). There must be more of these on the web somewhere. Kris Auditory System: Auditory stimuli are presented during scanning via a = high-fidelity system designed for the MR environment (MR confon GmbH, = 39118 Magdeburg, Germany). The headphones contain electrostatic = transducers for a broad, flat frequency response and construction-grade = Peltor earmuffs for passive damping of gradient noise. By using = electrostatic rather than pneumatic transduction, this system produces = sound quality comparable to a home stereo, with 88dB signal-to-noise = ratio (SNR) and high channel separation. During a functional MRI = scanning session, sounds can be presented at detection-threshold levels = between "sparse" acquisitions or at conversational levels (approx. 75-80 = dB) during continuous scanning. Active Noise Cancellation (ANC) in the = headphones will further reduce the gradient noise and create a quieter = environment for subjects. ANC is under final pre-release testing at = MR-Confon, and the UC Davis IRC will be one of the first centers to use = ANC in fMRI research. For communication from the subject, the subject's = voice is transmitted to the scan operator via Phone-OR, an = MR-compatible, optical microphone mounted on the headphones (Magmedix, = Inc., Fitchburg, MA, 01420). This microphone system suppresses gradient = noise from the transmitted audio signal, using both simple subtraction = and advanced algorithms based on speech-recognition. Combined with the = MR confon system, extremely clear bidirectional (subject to/from = operator) communication is possible during scanning to provide excellent = audio SNR for voice-key applications.=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_038B_01CD4ED2.DD0C9360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Here are the source files for Project MRI:
 
I found some funny emails on the project, copied below for your=20 entertainment:
 
=E2=80=9CI just had a most exhilarating = experience: my=20 first MRI (on my lower back).  This was amazing. I laid down on a = sliding=20 table, and they pushed me into a sarcophagus like tube with mere inches = around=20 my entire body.  They put large headphones on my head, and then for = the=20 next 30 minutes I was eased into a seemingly euphoric and meditative = state. What=20 I heard were a series of interesting sounds...from jackhammer-like = hammering, to=20 buzzing or vibrating cycles, bizarre sci-fi industrial like sounds, and = so on.=20 It was delightful.  The MRI technician said it was a rarity for = someone to=20 actually enjoy that procedure.  At one point in time, I was in a = half=20 waking/dream state and was awoke by my leg twitching.  I could have = stayed=20 in there most of the day. And the amazing thing is that when I asked = about the=20 source of the sounds, he said they were not mechanically generated; = rather,=20 around my body, encased in metal, was a giant electrical coil surrounded = by=20 helium, chilled down to a cool minus 270 degrees.  The sounds were = a result=20 of changes they were making in the electrical current and the resulting=20 vibrations to the machine. Unbelievable...not sure how all that produces = an=20 image of my back, however.
 
...anyway, I started thinking, I would = love to have=20 that 30 minutes captured on a digital recorder so that I could use it = for=20 looping or as an ambient backdrop to my more experimental = looping.
 
Are there any MRI technicians on the=20 list?=E2=80=9D
 
Kris
 
=E2=80=9DThe machine I was encased = in wasn't=20 unbearable at all...in fact, with the
firearm shooting headphones = (exactly=20 this, in fact, but modified with the
plastic tube from the control = room), the=20 sound was perfect. Those firearm
headphones filter out a lot of high = end, and=20 what I heard with them on was
exquisite...no more or less louder than = the=20 volume that I use for listening
to music.  I wish I had turned = the=20 lights off in the dressing room when I
removed the pants they = provided,=20 however, because the static electricity was
unbelievable.

In = light of=20 the question, where's the melody...I did discern tones, albeit
very = constant=20 and industry like. I concur with Edward's comments about it
sounding = like a=20 strange sci-fi moving. In fact, it sort of reminded me of
Forbidden = Planet=20 and the scene where they were taking a tour of that
monstrous = facility under=20 ground with all the automated machinery developed
by=20 aliens.=E2=80=9D

Kris
FYI: from http://ucdirc.ucdavis.edu/facilities/index.php (see excerpt below). This machine looks exactly like the = one I was=20 in. Article discusses audio capturing techniques.
 
This URL has a sound clip of the MRI = scan: http://ww= w.cis.rit.edu/htbooks/mri/chap-13/chap-13.htm
 
Direct Link to wav file: http:= //www.cis.rit.edu/htbooks/mri/chap-13/sounds/se-1.wav=20 (it is only one of many of the sounds...probably the most uninspiring in = my=20 opinion).  There must be more of these on the web = somewhere.
 
Kris

Auditory System: Auditory stimuli are = presented=20 during scanning via a high-fidelity system designed for the MR = environment (MR=20 confon GmbH, 39118 Magdeburg, Germany). The headphones contain = electrostatic=20 transducers for a broad, flat frequency response and construction-grade = Peltor=20 earmuffs for passive damping of gradient noise. By using electrostatic = rather=20 than pneumatic transduction, this system produces sound quality = comparable to a=20 home stereo, with 88dB signal-to-noise ratio (SNR) and high channel = separation.=20 During a functional MRI scanning session, sounds can be presented at=20 detection-threshold levels between "sparse" acquisitions or at = conversational=20 levels (approx. 75-80 dB) during continuous scanning. Active Noise = Cancellation=20 (ANC) in the headphones will further reduce the gradient noise and = create a=20 quieter environment for subjects. ANC is under final pre-release testing = at=20 MR-Confon, and the UC Davis IRC will be one of the first centers to use = ANC in=20 fMRI research. For communication from the subject, the subject's = voice=20 is transmitted to the scan operator via Phone-OR, an MR-compatible, = optical=20 microphone mounted on the headphones (Magmedix, Inc., Fitchburg, MA,=20 01420). This microphone system suppresses gradient noise from = the=20 transmitted audio signal, using both simple subtraction and advanced = algorithms=20 based on speech-recognition. Combined with the MR confon system, = extremely clear=20 bidirectional (subject to/from operator) communication is possible = during=20 scanning to provide excellent audio SNR for voice-key applications.=20


 
 
 
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_03AD_01CD4ED7.A1DBE390-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 17:28:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B50B3183465; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:28:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4I3MYhfwA43k+AIYzc6edSnDw9MugBLs7wyK3DljXNg=; b=BHxwVkgbDUAAiFmUeABheeEXFd2C3BMm6d0SxHnyeMoUcxJWAU+ugt+bPgTivLcUwI f9QmSpvI+j5LqfpDhIRIQDWR7eLNUJF0cy6Ubh29uJ0+O2qNEzdolXmmPWUqiKcWZivz 67AYU11CFPDzw6mc52lLJPvE1z6k09gHlCSqLrfKwLoPn2PAyQkdxGg+2mV93lrls0fJ A9gtpoRNnZd3NFPNwbOvDe2j9HyXMzfLpRDKo+0oBIkXC8vEKWOHRpVAlvX8yi7zTG1y Ljj/MZwlOP0tNZ8VfHuaQ81Zw+O8GJKn4owoz1TOWk5XjEtao1r++3F+0wGRt+yv+mhn db6w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8D98AB2ABC994171BCC3218D136847ED@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <87B69F6EF57143F6BCD983E90E8DFDDF@ELUK1> <8D98AB2ABC994171BCC3218D136847ED@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:28:23 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MRI recording From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=14dae939987de3fe2904c2eab9f0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:28:24 +0000 (UTC) --14dae939987de3fe2904c2eab9f0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae939987de3fe2604c2eab9ef --14dae939987de3fe2604c2eab9ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Kris, I have found some sounds https://www.ynic.york.ac.uk/information/mri/sounds also info on how these could be recorded. I too am fascinated and actually enjoy MRI's myself as far as it goes :) I am going to ask about that, I get a disc of the pics, maybe they have something with the sounds.. J On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Kris Hartung w= rote: > Good luck with that. But since I led this CD project, I may have the > source files. I received them from an MRI tech who figured out a way to > record the sounds. > They all pretty much sound the same, unless you just want your own > personal MRI session recorded. > I actually enjoyed the session very much. It was peaceful and the sounds > lulled me into a calm mood. [image: Smile] > > Steroid, spinal tap shot? That is a different story. I did not enjoy tha= t! > > *From:* Stephen Goodman > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 20, 2012 10:34 AM > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* Re: MRI recording > > Use a personal recorder but you can=92t get it near the thing. Ask the > attendant whether they can do the record-button thang while you=92re in i= t. > And ask for the video frames! > > *From:* Jeff Duke > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:10 PM > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* MRI recording > > Hey loopers! I have an MRI scheduled this eve and was wondering how you > could record the sounds. I love the ct album > MRI but didn't get much info about how to do it. > > thanks! > > Jeff > > > http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/ > --14dae939987de3fe2604c2eab9ef Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Kris, I have found some sounds https://www.ynic.york.ac.uk/information/mri/sound= s also info on how these could be recorded.

I too am fascinated = and actually enjoy MRI's myself as far as it goes :) I am going to ask = about that, I get a disc of the pics, maybe they have something with the so= unds..

J

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:43 PM, = Kris Hartung <krispen.hartung@gmail.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Good luck with that.=A0=A0 But since I led this CD project, I may=20 have the source files. I received them from an MRI tech who figured out a w= ay to=20 record the sounds.
They all pretty much sound the same, unless you just want your own per= sonal=20 MRI session recorded.
I actually enjoyed the session very much. It was peaceful and the soun= ds=20 lulled me into a calm mood.=A0 3D"Smi=
=A0
Steroid, spinal tap shot?=A0 That is a different story. I did not enjo= y=20 that!
=A0
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: MRI recording
=A0
Use a personal recorder but you can=92t get it near the thing.=A0 Ask = the=20 attendant whether they can do the record-button thang while you=92re in it.= =A0=20 And ask for the video frames!
=A0
From: Jeff Duke
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:10 PM
Subject: MRI recording
=A0
Hey=20 loopers! I have an MRI scheduled this eve and was wondering how you could r= ecord=20 the sounds. I love the ct album
MRI but didn't get much info about = how to do=20 it.

thanks!

Jeff


http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/

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I will ask about turning off the lights in hope of a light show to go with the sounds :) j On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Kris Hartung w= rote: > > Here are the source files for Project MRI: > https://www.box.com/shared/f7zjfruy5i > > I found some funny emails on the project, copied below for your > entertainment: > > =93I just had a most exhilarating experience: my first MRI (on my lower > back). This was amazing. I laid down on a sliding table, and they pushed > me into a sarcophagus like tube with mere inches around my entire body. > They put large headphones on my head, and then for the next 30 minutes I > was eased into a seemingly euphoric and meditative state. What I heard we= re > a series of interesting sounds...from jackhammer-like hammering, to buzzi= ng > or vibrating cycles, bizarre sci-fi industrial like sounds, and so on. It > was delightful. The MRI technician said it was a rarity for someone to > actually enjoy that procedure. At one point in time, I was in a half > waking/dream state and was awoke by my leg twitching. I could have staye= d > in there most of the day. And the amazing thing is that when I asked abou= t > the source of the sounds, he said they were not mechanically generated; > rather, around my body, encased in metal, was a giant electrical coil > surrounded by helium, chilled down to a cool minus 270 degrees. The soun= ds > were a result of changes they were making in the electrical current and t= he > resulting vibrations to the machine. Unbelievable...not sure how all that > produces an image of my back, however. > > ...anyway, I started thinking, I would love to have that 30 minutes > captured on a digital recorder so that I could use it for looping or as a= n > ambient backdrop to my more experimental looping. > > Are there any MRI technicians on the list?=94 > > Kris > > =94The machine I was encased in wasn't unbearable at all...in fact, with = the > firearm shooting headphones (exactly this, in fact, but modified with the > plastic tube from the control room), the sound was perfect. Those firearm > headphones filter out a lot of high end, and what I heard with them on wa= s > exquisite...no more or less louder than the volume that I use for listeni= ng > to music. I wish I had turned the lights off in the dressing room when I > removed the pants they provided, however, because the static electricity > was > unbelievable. > > In light of the question, where's the melody...I did discern tones, albei= t > very constant and industry like. I concur with Edward's comments about it > sounding like a strange sci-fi moving. In fact, it sort of reminded me of > Forbidden Planet and the scene where they were taking a tour of that > monstrous facility under ground with all the automated machinery develope= d > by aliens.=94 > > Kris > FYI: from http://ucdirc.ucdavis.edu/facilities/index.php (see excerpt > below). This machine looks exactly like the one I was in. Article discuss= es > audio capturing techniques. > > This URL has a sound clip of the MRI scan: > http://www.cis.rit.edu/htbooks/mri/chap-13/chap-13.htm > > Direct Link to wav file: > http://www.cis.rit.edu/htbooks/mri/chap-13/sounds/se-1.wav (it is only > one of many of the sounds...probably the most uninspiring in my opinion). > There must be more of these on the web somewhere. > > Kris > > Auditory System: Auditory stimuli are presented during scanning via a > high-fidelity system designed for the MR environment (MR confon GmbH, 391= 18 > Magdeburg, Germany). The headphones contain electrostatic transducers for= a > broad, flat frequency response and construction-grade Peltor earmuffs for > passive damping of gradient noise. By using electrostatic rather than > pneumatic transduction, this system produces sound quality comparable to = a > home stereo, with 88dB signal-to-noise ratio (SNR) and high channel > separation. During a functional MRI scanning session, sounds can be > presented at detection-threshold levels between "sparse" acquisitions or = at > conversational levels (approx. 75-80 dB) during continuous scanning. Acti= ve > Noise Cancellation (ANC) in the headphones will further reduce the gradie= nt > noise and create a quieter environment for subjects. ANC is under final > pre-release testing at MR-Confon, and the UC Davis IRC will be one of the > first centers to use ANC in fMRI research. *For communication from the > subject, the subject's voice is transmitted to the scan operator via > Phone-OR, an MR-compatible, optical microphone mounted on the headphones > (Magmedix, Inc., Fitchburg, MA, 01420).* This microphone system > suppresses gradient noise from the transmitted audio signal, using both > simple subtraction and advanced algorithms based on speech-recognition. > Combined with the MR confon system, extremely clear bidirectional (subjec= t > to/from operator) communication is possible during scanning to provide > excellent audio SNR for voice-key applications. > > > > > > > --e89a8fb2072e36082704c2eac244 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh yeah, Thanks! I will ask about turning off the lights in hope of a light= show to go with the sounds :)

j

O= n Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Kris Hartung <krispen.hartung@gma= il.com> wrote:
=A0
Here are the source files for Project MRI:
=A0
I found some funny emails on the project, copied below for your=20 entertainment:
=A0
=93I just had a most exhilarating experience: my= =20 first MRI (on my lower back).=A0 This was amazing. I laid down on a sliding= =20 table, and they pushed me into a sarcophagus like tube with mere inches aro= und=20 my entire body.=A0 They put large headphones on my head, and then for the= =20 next 30 minutes I was eased into a seemingly euphoric and meditative state.= What=20 I heard were a series of interesting sounds...from jackhammer-like hammerin= g, to=20 buzzing or vibrating cycles, bizarre sci-fi industrial like sounds, and so = on.=20 It was delightful.=A0 The MRI technician said it was a rarity for someone t= o=20 actually enjoy that procedure.=A0 At one point in time, I was in a half=20 waking/dream state and was awoke by my leg twitching.=A0 I could have staye= d=20 in there most of the day. And the amazing thing is that when I asked about = the=20 source of the sounds, he said they were not mechanically generated; rather,= =20 around my body, encased in metal, was a giant electrical coil surrounded by= =20 helium, chilled down to a cool minus 270 degrees.=A0 The sounds were a resu= lt=20 of changes they were making in the electrical current and the resulting=20 vibrations to the machine. Unbelievable...not sure how all that produces an= =20 image of my back, however.
=A0<= /div>
...anyway, I started thinking, I would love to ha= ve=20 that 30 minutes captured on a digital recorder so that I could use it for= =20 looping or as an ambient backdrop to my more experimental looping.
=A0<= /div>
Are there any MRI technicians on the=20 list?=94
=A0<= /div>
Kris
=A0
=94The machine I was encased in wasn= 9;t=20 unbearable at all...in fact, with the
firearm shooting headphones (exact= ly=20 this, in fact, but modified with the
plastic tube from the control room)= , the=20 sound was perfect. Those firearm
headphones filter out a lot of high end= , and=20 what I heard with them on was
exquisite...no more or less louder than th= e=20 volume that I use for listening
to music.=A0 I wish I had turned the=20 lights off in the dressing room when I
removed the pants they provided,= =20 however, because the static electricity was
unbelievable.

In ligh= t of=20 the question, where's the melody...I did discern tones, albeit
very = constant=20 and industry like. I concur with Edward's comments about it
sounding= like a=20 strange sci-fi moving. In fact, it sort of reminded me of
Forbidden Plan= et=20 and the scene where they were taking a tour of that
monstrous facility u= nder=20 ground with all the automated machinery developed
by=20 aliens.=94

Kris
FYI: from http://uc= dirc.ucdavis.edu/facilities/index.php (see = excerpt below). This machine looks exactly like the one I was=20 in. Article discusses audio capturing techniques.
=A0<= /div>
This URL has a sound clip of the MRI scan: http://www.cis.rit.edu/htbooks/mri/chap-13/chap-13.htm
=A0<= /div>
Direct Link to wav file: http://www= .cis.rit.edu/htbooks/mri/chap-13/sounds/se-1.wav=20 (it is only one of many of the sounds...probably the most uninspiring in my= =20 opinion).=A0 There must be more of these on the web somewhere.
=A0<= /div>
Kris

Auditory System: Auditory stimuli are presented=20 during scanning via a high-fidelity system designed for the MR environment = (MR=20 confon GmbH, 39118 Magdeburg, Germany). The headphones contain electrostati= c=20 transducers for a broad, flat frequency response and construction-grade Pel= tor=20 earmuffs for passive damping of gradient noise. By using electrostatic rath= er=20 than pneumatic transduction, this system produces sound quality comparable = to a=20 home stereo, with 88dB signal-to-noise ratio (SNR) and high channel separat= ion.=20 During a functional MRI scanning session, sounds can be presented at=20 detection-threshold levels between "sparse" acquisitions or at co= nversational=20 levels (approx. 75-80 dB) during continuous scanning. Active Noise Cancella= tion=20 (ANC) in the headphones will further reduce the gradient noise and create a= =20 quieter environment for subjects. ANC is under final pre-release testing at= =20 MR-Confon, and the UC Davis IRC will be one of the first centers to use ANC= in=20 fMRI research. For communication from the subject, the subject's voi= ce=20 is transmitted to the scan operator via Phone-OR, an MR-compatible, optical= =20 microphone mounted on the headphones (Magmedix, Inc., Fitchburg, MA,=20 01420). This microphone system suppresses gradient noise from the=20 transmitted audio signal, using both simple subtraction and advanced algori= thms=20 based on speech-recognition. Combined with the MR confon system, extremely = clear=20 bidirectional (subject to/from operator) communication is possible during= =20 scanning to provide excellent audio SNR for voice-key applications.=20


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--e89a8fb2072e36082704c2eac244-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 17:38:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69BE6183477; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:38:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:x-priority:in-reply-to:date :message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=0LoLvHTH3Lr4cZ+5ngzxUSLsHedF3BT3Y/SoWYg8qe8=; b=ykxC3Hapoim4Fost059h5sHUbHKf7dimzvmyEydVoswqIsHIarjonXnv2wnBeKwuaK stKH9yV4Aatiw9xmRf75xX8rWvCboBPadhhFugVupYzr73KpsPeZg8odEWvyzT1zVmbT ov7ogtkgH+pMinXMpZQm6HA0bW/qkw64Dzi/UYeTU4wdQ+rgno8Ysc5p45TWcbMtJA1j 80aRwaW7f//BG/s75YF27cqDy+3RZUP6lffl7R+Vlij6+0lPj/KkJUtBenzgtqzkPFJu PqTQXl4BNQHaP31Ad4N79X3QOJbSmpYR2DvW1MEH8DHdE/uVIrSgM6SmBVryTqfds1KM IFlw== Subject: Re: MRI recording Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--1018029838 From: Christopher Darrow X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <8D98AB2ABC994171BCC3218D136847ED@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:38:26 -0700 Message-Id: <207DAC42-DFCC-44FB-BF13-FAA4843299BC@gmail.com> References: <87B69F6EF57143F6BCD983E90E8DFDDF@ELUK1> <8D98AB2ABC994171BCC3218D136847ED@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:38:31 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--1018029838 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > I may have the source files. I received them from an MRI tech who = figured out a way to record the sounds. Oh my! Forgive me, I've not read the rest of this thread, I just saw = this sentence and pounced. I'd love to get my hands on that.=20 I clearly heard electronic music to the sounds when I had an MRI and = envisioned a short film and still have all of it in my head, but of = course I knew there was no way for me to record the sounds myself.=20 I'll have to look up that CT album MRI. Is CT the name of the = band/artist or the initials? On Jun 20, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Good luck with that. But since I led this CD project, I may have the = source files. I received them from an MRI tech who figured out a way to = record the sounds. > They all pretty much sound the same, unless you just want your own = personal MRI session recorded. > I actually enjoyed the session very much. It was peaceful and the = sounds lulled me into a calm mood. > =20 > Steroid, spinal tap shot? That is a different story. I did not enjoy = that! > =20 > From: Stephen Goodman > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 10:34 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: MRI recording > =20 > Use a personal recorder but you can=92t get it near the thing. Ask = the attendant whether they can do the record-button thang while you=92re = in it. And ask for the video frames! > =20 > From: Jeff Duke > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:10 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: MRI recording > =20 > Hey loopers! I have an MRI scheduled this eve and was wondering how = you could record the sounds. I love the ct album=20 > MRI but didn't get much info about how to do it. >=20 > thanks! >=20 > Jeff >=20 >=20 > http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/ --Apple-Mail-2--1018029838 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252  I may have the = source files. I received them from an MRI tech who figured out a way to = record the sounds.

Oh my! Forgive me, = I've not read the rest of this thread, I just saw this sentence and = pounced. I'd love to get my hands on = that. 

I clearly heard electronic music to = the sounds when I had an MRI and envisioned a short film and still have = all of it in my head, but of course I knew there was no way for me to = record the sounds myself. 

I'll have to = look up that CT album MRI. Is CT the name of the band/artist or the = initials?




= On Jun 20, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Kris Hartung wrote:

Good luck with that.   But since I led this CD project, I = may=20 have the source files. I received them from an MRI tech who figured out = a way to=20 record the sounds.
They all pretty much sound the same, unless you just want your own = personal=20 MRI session recorded.
I actually enjoyed the session very much. It was peaceful and the = sounds=20 lulled me into a calm mood.  = <wlEmoticon-smile[1].png>
 
Steroid, spinal tap shot?  That is a different story. I did = not enjoy=20 that!
 
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: MRI recording
 
Use a personal recorder but you can=92t get it near the = thing.  Ask the=20 attendant whether they can do the record-button thang while you=92re in = it. =20 And ask for the video frames!
 
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:10 PM
Subject: MRI recording
 
Hey=20 loopers! I have an MRI scheduled this eve and was wondering how you = could record=20 the sounds. I love the ct album
MRI but didn't get much info about = how to do=20 it.

thanks!

Jeff


http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/

= --Apple-Mail-2--1018029838-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 18:09:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4C4C183465; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:09:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:importance:x-mailer :x-mimeole; bh=sw2U0K6TmwSD/Nwn1OUOLcMtulLgkk9Y/FNhXEIM2UY=; b=sTM1x0Zc3r/IqFNtf34C/3XykLr2+Hc3Y7houuc9KmE+LsYovOqolNLxFn49IPSP7M Ne6nSQUIPZSk0pSm2gUMsf7t2hBmzuSFitGCAwXK24wssIj+jFhbaajBI2bVkPgOPACl e0pA2svy0aHM/yuf4g8YYDP++1s8/T8+jOODlkyVDOYLVlatI9sA2QbJHDBmMeX4DlrW rSGDd+m8FOWHqdUgAPkBE29i+v0lI2x5fsn7otwMOIU2owmR3FgWHv1BQmiE1Nkln9pE 7ELAaCXyo1ualjdogyUPGQoVmO6g/COLKsD0QCBTUuoQtXDDvmPgQJUGJaCUVIpIJnrl CyyQ== Message-ID: <5CF72CD174BC4A9EBFBC9459F6837B80@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <87B69F6EF57143F6BCD983E90E8DFDDF@ELUK1> <8D98AB2ABC994171BCC3218D136847ED@americas.hpqcorp.net> <207DAC42-DFCC-44FB-BF13-FAA4843299BC@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <207DAC42-DFCC-44FB-BF13-FAA4843299BC@gmail.com> Subject: Re: MRI recording Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:09:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03E5_01CD4EDD.935D5A00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:09:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03E5_01CD4EDD.935D5A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.krispenhartung.com/mri/index.htm I like to the CT web site too. Kris > I may have the source files. I received them from an MRI tech who = figured out a way to record the sounds. Oh my! Forgive me, I've not read the rest of this thread, I just saw = this sentence and pounced. I'd love to get my hands on that.=20 I clearly heard electronic music to the sounds when I had an MRI and = envisioned a short film and still have all of it in my head, but of = course I knew there was no way for me to record the sounds myself.=20 I'll have to look up that CT album MRI. Is CT the name of the = band/artist or the initials? On Jun 20, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Kris Hartung wrote: Good luck with that. But since I led this CD project, I may have the = source files. I received them from an MRI tech who figured out a way to = record the sounds. They all pretty much sound the same, unless you just want your own = personal MRI session recorded. I actually enjoyed the session very much. It was peaceful and the = sounds lulled me into a calm mood. Steroid, spinal tap shot? That is a different story. I did not enjoy = that! From: Stephen Goodman=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 10:34 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Re: MRI recording Use a personal recorder but you can=92t get it near the thing. Ask = the attendant whether they can do the record-button thang while you=92re = in it. And ask for the video frames! From: Jeff Duke=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:10 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: MRI recording Hey loopers! I have an MRI scheduled this eve and was wondering how = you could record the sounds. I love the ct album=20 MRI but didn't get much info about how to do it. thanks! Jeff http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_03E5_01CD4EDD.935D5A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
I like to the CT web site too.
 
Kris
 
 
 
 
> I may have the source files. I received them = from an MRI=20 tech who figured out a way to record the sounds.
 
Oh my! Forgive me, I've not read the rest of this thread, I just = saw this=20 sentence and pounced. I'd love to get my hands on that.
 
I clearly heard electronic music to the sounds when I had an MRI = and=20 envisioned a short film and still have all of it in my head, but of = course I=20 knew there was no way for me to record the sounds myself.
 
I'll have to look up that CT album MRI. Is CT the name of the = band/artist=20 or the initials?
 
 
 
 
On Jun 20, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Kris Hartung wrote:
Good luck with that.   But since I led this CD project, = I may=20 have the source files. I received them from an MRI tech who figured = out a way=20 to record the sounds.
They all pretty much sound the same, unless you just want your = own=20 personal MRI session recorded.
I actually enjoyed the session very much. It was peaceful and the = sounds=20 lulled me into a calm mood. =20 <wlEmoticon-smile[1].png>
 
Steroid, spinal tap shot?  That is a different story. I did = not=20 enjoy that!
 
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: MRI recording
 
Use a personal recorder but you can=92t get it near the = thing.  Ask=20 the attendant whether they can do the record-button thang while = you=92re in=20 it.  And ask for the video frames!
 
From: Jeff Duke
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:10 PM
Subject: MRI recording
 
Hey=20 loopers! I have an MRI scheduled this eve and was wondering how you = could=20 record the sounds. I love the ct album
MRI but didn't get much = info about=20 how to do it.

thanks!

Jeff


http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/<= BR>
 
------=_NextPart_000_03E5_01CD4EDD.935D5A00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 20:16:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4155C183462; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 20:16:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1345 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 20:16:17 UTC References: <87B69F6EF57143F6BCD983E90E8DFDDF@ELUK1> In-Reply-To: <87B69F6EF57143F6BCD983E90E8DFDDF@ELUK1> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-38952FBD-9BBD-49F4-A819-DF16B0E21169 Message-Id: <07486D6C-3C3A-4A52-B722-3F1CC1B19762@zzz.ch> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Z Subject: Re: MRI recording Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:53:48 +0200 To: Stephen Goodman Resent-Message-ID: <97SwbB.A.XyE.R-i4PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 20:16:17 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-38952FBD-9BBD-49F4-A819-DF16B0E21169 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 The overall volume is such that you can put your portable gear in a corner o= f the faraday cage (the MRI room) without too much trouble or risj, near the entrance door, but definitely ask the MR tech= noloist before. But don't go too close or you'll destroy your mic and record= er... Beware of the sequences as you will have some really powerfull sub 20hz freq= uencies (e.g. diffusion DTI) and you can easily reach 120db in some cases...= have fun with that ;) Le 20 juin 2012 =C3=A0 18:34, "Stephen Goodman" a= =C3=A9crit : > Use a personal recorder but you can=E2=80=99t get it near the thing. Ask t= he attendant whether they can do the record-button thang while you=E2=80=99r= e in it. And ask for the video frames! > =20 > From: Jeff Duke > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:10 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: MRI recording > =20 > Hey loopers! I have an MRI scheduled this eve and was wondering how you co= uld record the sounds. I love the ct album=20 > MRI but didn't get much info about how to do it. >=20 > thanks! >=20 > Jeff >=20 >=20 > http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/ --Apple-Mail-38952FBD-9BBD-49F4-A819-DF16B0E21169 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
The overall volume is such= that you can put your portable gear in a corner of the faraday cage (the MR= I room) without too
much trouble or risj, near the entrance door, b= ut definitely ask the MR technoloist before. But don't go too close or you'l= l destroy your mic and recorder...
Beware of the sequences as you w= ill have some really powerfull sub 20hz frequencies (e.g. diffusion DTI) and= you can easily reach 120db in some cases... have fun with that
<= div>;)



Le 20 juin 2012 =C3=A0 18:34, "Steph= en Goodman" <spgoodman@earthl= ight.net> a =C3=A9crit :

Use a personal recorder but you can=E2=80=99t get it near the thing.&nb= sp; Ask the=20 attendant whether they can do the record-button thang while you=E2=80=99re i= n it. =20 And ask for the video frames!
 
From: Jeff Duke
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:10 PM
Subject: MRI recording
 
Hey=20 loopers! I have an MRI scheduled this eve and was wondering how you could re= cord=20 the sounds. I love the ct album
MRI but didn't get much info about how t= o do=20 it.

thanks!

Jeff


http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/
= --Apple-Mail-38952FBD-9BBD-49F4-A819-DF16B0E21169-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 21:06:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBF0C18345A; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:06:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0298767569==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120620210600.7068.37669.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:06:02 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: Thanks LD Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:06:08 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0298767569== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congratulations,=20Dr.=20Graham! Tyler=20Z On=20Wed,=2020=20Jun=202012=2011:04:41=20+0100,=20Ricky=20Graham=20wrote: >Hi=20Guys, > >After=20a=20long=203=20years=20of=20research,=20my=20PhD=20was=20awarded= =20yesterday.=20Just >wanted=20to=20express=20my=20thanks=20to=20those=20of=20you=20who=20took= =20the=20time=20to >answer=20a=20few=20questions=20back=20in=202009,=20including=20Rick,=20Bil= l,=20Andy,=20Per, >Michael,=20Andre,=20Zoe=20&=20Matthias.=20You're=20all=20noted=20in=20the >acknowledgements. > >Ricky --===============0298767569==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 21:16:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DBEB183460; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:16:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 787568469/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.16.206/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.16.206 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAF884k9YbRDO/2dsb2JhbAANOLhxAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBEcEtji2DHAOabY0e X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,446,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="787568469" Message-ID: <4FE23DC6.4060005@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:16:54 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? References: <20120619154436.4336.92240.levelstar.mail@everest> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:16:50 +0000 (UTC) michael noble wrote: > Hi Tyler, > > If you search the archives this has been rehashed many times, hi Michael, check out the first page of the Loopers Delight site "Looper's Delight is a cultural and informational resource for musicians creating with audio loops of every sort. Loop based music essentially involves the repetition of audio samples, or loops." andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 21:23:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A68718345A; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:23:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0298767569==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120620212245.7377.37669.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:22:49 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? Resent-Message-ID: <0YaZsD.A.9nF.28j4PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:23:02 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0298767569== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's=20what=20I=20was=20trying=20to=20say!=20As=20long=20as=20its=20repet= ition=20of=20a=20sample,=20and=20not=20manual=20repetition,=20 we=20should=20be=20able=20to=20share=20it=20here!=20And=20some=20Britney=20= Spears=20and=20Kesha=20songs=20have=20sample=20repetitions=20that=20 are=20obviously=20not=20manual=20repetition.=20And=20remixes=20of=20other= =20songs?=20Oh=20boy,=20are=20there=20loops! Tyler=20Z On=20Wed,=2020=20Jun=202012=2022:16:54=20+0100,=20andy=20butler=20wrote: > >michael=20noble=20wrote: >>Hi=20Tyler, >> >>If=20you=20search=20the=20archives=20this=20has=20been=20rehashed=20many= =20times,=20 > >hi=20Michael, > >check=20out=20the=20first=20page=20of=20the=20Loopers=20Delight=20site > >"Looper's=20Delight=20is=20a=20cultural=20and=20informational=20resource= =20for=20musicians=20 >creating=20with=20audio=20loops=20of=20every=20sort.=20Loop=20based=20musi= c=20essentially=20involves=20 >the=20repetition=20of=20audio=20samples,=20or=20loops." > > > >andy --===============0298767569==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 22:06:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D246C183460; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:06:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.236.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:BY2PRD0410HT004.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-BigFish: PS3(zzc85fhzz1202hzz8275bhc704dhz2fh2a8h668h839he5bhf0ahbe3k) Received-SPF: pass (mail59-va3: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.236.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.236.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=BY2PRD0410HT004.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Awesome looping song!!! Thread-Topic: Awesome looping song!!! Thread-Index: AQHNTzDjvV6Bk82Q6EyaMmOGcgIfyg== Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:06:05 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.255.83.4] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CC07B37B50B4Bjefflarsonsailpointcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: <0jHtsB.A.dBG.Tlk4PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:06:11 +0000 (UTC) --_000_CC07B37B50B4Bjefflarsonsailpointcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey I just discovered this awesome song! It uses a Mellotron so it's loopi= ng! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DCZYNA6qUNTE ;-) --_000_CC07B37B50B4Bjefflarsonsailpointcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <64A4401256683B4D93D238F6FEE74900@namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey I just discovered this awesome song!  It uses a Mellotron so = it's looping!



;-)
--_000_CC07B37B50B4Bjefflarsonsailpointcom_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 00:34:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04E83183461; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:34:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=8Cx2gDjYA/Xx5Lzc3d58890uaicVXupd249MiOtYp0c=; b=w51j7Xf/VGx42BuE1gZ12A7TVLc2pFG4sFKScCmNKvW1iYrzoNdBdIVaJEx2yByquP BYt87uMqZnFesAFQJyP/4PhAzO112wCabDnUoppyqaUgk630tjbprC6ciqoxhnp36TuQ Ohg2wxVQl/WOcPjo+LsgGNBI0Jxf3AjbkYn69hQ2lXfbxyYGTPI6ShZdCy/nRf0eBCfE ngZJklYZkeOVIlq4L1AsF+I4+CXDj5UJZEal4bFwHRwkqve7FcOF9KvgPUHJP83eOU6o 4clnpBEmN0RG1duUVbRP2qquT7Se4rDOH2O70veNq6Lb1FkPtn0QSKsc9Ob7rQmL7xl2 ppYw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FE23DC6.4060005@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20120619154436.4336.92240.levelstar.mail@everest> <4FE23DC6.4060005@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:34:09 +0900 Message-ID: Subject: Re: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? From: michael noble To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cdfd8808b4d0104c2f0aca0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:34:10 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cdfd8808b4d0104c2f0aca0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Andy, Sure, I wasn't making any claims for what LD as a whole should or shouldn't be focused on, especially the list, which I think should be as free and open in its discussions as it has ever been. Simply wanted to say that I felt Tyler's definition extremely broad, and in response to his question, I wouldn't tune in to a radio station with a such a broad definition unless it had more delimited categories such that I could know what to expect (to a degree). cheers Michael On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 6:16 AM, andy butler wrote: > > michael noble wrote: > >> Hi Tyler, >> >> If you search the archives this has been rehashed many times, >> > > hi Michael, > > check out the first page of the Loopers Delight site > > "Looper's Delight is a cultural and informational resource for musicians > creating with audio loops of every sort. Loop based music essentially > involves the repetition of audio samples, or loops." > > > > andy > > --000e0cdfd8808b4d0104c2f0aca0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Andy,

Sure, I wasn't making any claims for what LD as a whol= e should or shouldn't be focused on, especially the list, which I think= should be as free and open in its discussions as it has ever been.

Simply wanted to say that I felt Tyler's definition extremely broad= , and in response to his question, I wouldn't tune in to a radio statio= n with a such a broad definition unless it had more delimited categories su= ch that I could know what to expect (to a degree).

cheers
Michael

On Thu, Jun 21, 201= 2 at 6:16 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrot= e:

michael noble wrote:
Hi Tyler,

If you search the archives this has been rehashed many times,

hi Michael,

check out the first page of the Loopers Delight site

"Looper's Delight is a cultural and informational resource for mus= icians creating with audio loops of every sort. Loop based music essentiall= y involves the repetition of audio samples, or loops."



andy



--000e0cdfd8808b4d0104c2f0aca0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 00:38:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE126183466; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:38:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FE26CF5.3030701@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:38:13 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ricky Graham CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Thanks LD References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:38:21 +0000 (UTC) Huge congratulations to you, Ricky. That's a wonderful achievement and one you should be exceedingly proud of. yours, Rick On 6/20/12 3:04 AM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Hi Guys, > > After a long 3 years of research, my PhD was awarded yesterday. Just > wanted to express my thanks to those of you who took the time to > answer a few questions back in 2009, including Rick, Bill, Andy, Per, > Michael, Andre, Zoe& Matthias. You're all noted in the > acknowledgements. > > Ricky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 01:04:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3559B183464; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 01:04:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=cTrXzf+FMFx/CycuHWfKz6PhgN8QyYjHafpwynYWq+4=; b=oS5OiW4KXrvMejcMh3blMf0zVm3fkJPw2+bWHy2qzwRGcdmJOtrAuIlDx4ZaqGI9Ue VpZ89bEaN1rlh5au5icaTiPuelQzePvKnMdvyW1rG/KlySPB3ataXPab03lAxWl2Jw/c F42UA45f8n9PXFqdi0XWKQtz9Tk9StZ3qZhw3x+JOhD0B76TfObpoWl2VWpiRBwomGVd jJWO+AtMZU41LL+PA6TukCP9Jhyg3dBG1hSan7frjudSth9Z3ZxrVAZbRk12gMDHC3Gk xxtkKm6LHAa2n3vFhZ5fV1YQqEMYoaJt/h1qlrpvffTPIXvF26uI50wHLGAdyla1tIgF 42Ww== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:04:26 +0900 Message-ID: Subject: Distinguishing Looping From: michael noble To: Tyler Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cfb2edc655704c2f1187c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 01:04:28 +0000 (UTC) --0015175cfb2edc655704c2f1187c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I've changed the subject so as not to derail the radio stream thread. For the purpose of defining looping, the distinction between "manual" repetition or other kinds of repetitions seems very arbitrary to me. Why make the distinction at all? Surely if it repeats, then it is a loop? Why then, is manual repetition not looping? What is the difference, if we are including remixes or any repeated-sample music, between sampling and looping? If I trigger a sample repeatedly using a pad, is that manual or sample based repetition? Is it looping? What about using a midi guitar to trigger the sample repeatedly by manually playing the same note over and over? Why does replacing the guitar with a sequencer suddenly make the music looping, or vice versa, not? As a point of discussion, I find even the LD definition of loop music quoted by Andy doesn't quite work for me. What about midi looping? That may not involve the use of a repeated sample - the instrument itself could be highly variable. But you can't deny that looping is involved, especially from a studio/compositional perspective. Also, by the LD definition, would a live performance of Terry Riley's In C be considered loop music? It doesn't appear so, since it need not involve audio samples. Yet its probably one of the "loopiest" pieces of music one could encounter. These may seem like semantic distinctions, but to me they are important. If looping is not something distinct from other things, then what is the point of maintaining the distinction at all? best Michael On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 6:22 AM, Tyler wrote: > That's what I was trying to say! As long as its repetition of a sample, > and not manual repetition, > we should be able to share it here! And some Britney Spears and Kesha > songs have sample repetitions that > are obviously not manual repetition. And remixes of other songs? Oh boy, > are there loops! > Tyler Z > On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:16:54 +0100, andy butler wrote: > > --0015175cfb2edc655704c2f1187c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've changed the subject so as not to derail the radio stream thread.
For the purpose of defining looping, the distinction between "ma= nual" repetition or other kinds of repetitions seems very arbitrary to= me. Why make the distinction at all? Surely if it repeats, then it is a lo= op? Why then, is manual repetition not looping? What is the difference, if = we are including remixes or any repeated-sample music, between sampling and= looping? If I trigger a sample repeatedly using a pad, is that manual or s= ample based repetition? Is it looping? What about using a midi guitar to tr= igger the sample repeatedly by manually playing the same note over and over= ? Why does replacing the guitar with a sequencer suddenly make the music lo= oping, or vice versa, not?

As a point of discussion, I find even the LD definition of loop music q= uoted by Andy doesn't quite work for me. What about midi looping? That = may not involve the use=20 of a repeated sample - the instrument itself could be highly variable.=20 But you can't deny that looping is involved, especially from a=20 studio/compositional perspective. Also, by the LD definition, would a live = performance of Terry=20 Riley's In C be considered loop music? It doesn't appear so, since = it need not involve audio samples. Yet its probably one of the "loopiest= " pieces of=20 music one could encounter.

These may seem like semantic distinction= s, but to me they are important. If looping is not something distinct from = other things, then what is the point of maintaining the distinction at all?=

best
Michael

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012= at 6:22 AM, Tyler <programmer651@comcast.net> wrote= :
That's what I was trying to say! As long= as its repetition of a sample, and not manual repetition,
we should be able to share it here! And some Britney Spears and Kesha songs= have sample repetitions that
are obviously not manual repetition. And remixes of other songs? Oh boy, ar= e there loops!
Tyler Z
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:16:54 +0100,= andy butler wrote:

--0015175cfb2edc655704c2f1187c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 02:19:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AC43183461; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 02:19:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_ff96c9c5-9671-4e1f-8ed1-1e5e040b2125_" X-Originating-IP: [92.228.254.190] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: Rang III question and also I need help with clipping and distortion problem. Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 02:19:43 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2012 02:19:43.0662 (UTC) FILETIME=[5215CCE0:01CD4F54] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 02:19:44 +0000 (UTC) --_ff96c9c5-9671-4e1f-8ed1-1e5e040b2125_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello to everybody! I was expecting some "hey! Congratulations!" for my "Arrived" message where= I tell I received the Rang II so I am officially a looper :)Anyway=2C I ha= ve enough chocolate ice cream (I scream=2C you scream=2C we all scream for = Ice Cream) to compensate the emotional damage of this silence. In the while I am playing with the Rang II.Impressions:1) Beautiful! Little= . Nice. Powerful.2) A bit noisy seems to be=2C if volume is more than 2/3. = Is it normal?3) How can I make a loop longer? I see that if a loop is 4 bea= ts then if I don't stop stacking on time it starts the loop from the beginn= ing and keeps stacking (which is uncomfortable both because I cannot make a= loop longer=2C and because I must be very careful not to reoverub!)4) I di= d not pay attention before: it has got no memory extension. So=2C no SD car= d. If time is over=2C time is over. But for now I am confident that the tim= e will be enough. We'll see.5) Also I did not pay attention to this before:= it cannot store loops. I am not interested in a extensive storage RC300 st= yle=2C I will improvise on stage=2C I do not need presaved loops=2C but it = would be nice if when I do something nice and I do not have a recorder with= me=2C I could store it on the looper.6) Other "did not pa attention before= ": no mic input. So=2C mixer or mixer. Which is a BIG mistake IMHO. It is s= o much smaller than a RC300=2C damn=2C Mike=2C put a Mic input please=2C so= I can go where I want with just looper and mic for a very emergency surviv= al loop kit. Loopers are NOT anymore just for guitarists or keyboardists! Then there are few details more (which I believe they could be fixed with j= ust a software update) but I am taking the time to know it better. Too earl= y to say really. But apart for these things=2C it is great.=20 Now=2C the clipping/distortion.I am doing lot of pseudo techno stuff with i= t=2C but mostly with a mic and effects to make my voice much lower and make= it sound like an instrument.So=2C lot of basses.I am new to music and this= question is probably very very basic but... what is a compressor/limiter f= or? I was about to buy a RNC or RNLA=2C or a DBX166xs.I Just see that in Cu= base there is a plugin compressor limiter which helps me a lot in preventin= g clipping and saturation of sound.I really need to avoid clipping=2C satur= ation=2C distortion.I will of course pay attention to the input and gain of= the mic=2C but it happens anyway that there is clipping etc.Somebody told = me I should use a good equalizer but I still have the suspect that I need s= omething different.Help? Thanks! = --_ff96c9c5-9671-4e1f-8ed1-1e5e040b2125_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello to everybody!

I was expecting some "hey! Congratul= ations!" for my "Arrived" message where I tell I received the Rang II so I = am officially a looper :)
Anyway=2C I have =3Benough =3Bc= hocolate =3Bice cream =3B(I scream=2C you scream=2C we all scream f= or Ice Cream) to compensate the emotional damage of this silence.

In the while I am playing with the Rang II.
Impre= ssions:
1) Beautiful! Little. Nice. Powerful.
2) = =3BA bit noisy seems to be=2C if volume= is more than 2/3. Is it normal?
3) How can I make a loop longer? =3BI see that if a loop is 4 beats then if I don't stop sta= cking on time it starts the loop from the beginning and keeps stacking (whi= ch is uncomfortable both because I cannot make a loop longer=2C and because= I must be very careful not to reoverub!)
4) =3BI did not pay attention before: it has got no= memory extension. So=2C no SD card. If time is over=2C time is over. But f= or now I am confident that the time will be enough. We'll see.
=
5) Also I did not pay attention to= this before: it cannot store loops. I am not interested in a extensive sto= rage RC300 style=2C I will improvise on stage=2C I do not need presaved loo= ps=2C but it would be nice if when I do something nice and I do not have a = recorder with me=2C I could store it on the looper.
6) Other "did not pa attention before": =3Bno mic =3Binput= . So=2C mixer or mixer. Which is a BIG mistake IMHO. It is so much smaller = than a RC300=2C damn=2C Mike=2C put a Mic input please=2C so I can go where= I want with just looper and mic for a very emergency survival loop kit. Lo= opers are NOT anymore just for guitarists or keyboardists!

Then there are f= ew details more (which I believe they could be fixed with just a software u= pdate) but I am taking the time to know it better. Too early to say really.=

But apart for these things=2C it is great. = =3B



Now=2C the clipp= ing/distortion.
I am doing lot of pseudo techno stuff with it=2C = but mostly with a mic and effects to make my voice much lower and make it s= ound like an instrument.
So=2C lot of basses.
I am new = to music and this question is probably very very basic but... what is a com= pressor/limiter for? I was about to buy a RNC or RNLA=2C or a DBX166xs.
I Just see that in Cubase there is a plugin compressor limiter which= helps me a lot in preventing clipping and saturation of sound.
I= really need to avoid clipping=2C saturation=2C distortion.
I wil= l of course pay attention to the input and gain of the mic=2C but it happen= s anyway that there is clipping etc.
Somebody told me I should us= e a good equalizer but I still have the suspect that I need something diffe= rent.
Help?

Thanks!
= --_ff96c9c5-9671-4e1f-8ed1-1e5e040b2125_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 02:21:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95D05183460; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 02:21:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=cOPU2+AWdRjzyiwgbmplQ8vlKyiDkAMS1kIwsOkhMto=; b=Qj9B9jAqyb9QOTYlZz19iMjz1taPaPYUGLKce1acc0qkfcpXgPsm9eceD9w4/cUIP1 P87tv4huwe/WUPKeVKSGtDiorlPojBuDJcqV9fcZB+QlrDfvWJod2KD0XElfn47CCinW QAelH25Ag4Irg/mAXkaYZQK1dJQ80G5lbviWVk3//a6QfidR1kPrhdrgZ91mM5Oun+mN yN90S2DJ2ArWvCM8jNIEOYvgKrsmtgm78xSbFrZdmL5vhP7rG7TDE8qpRjT/KTzqO71S xqaN7fjr916zEX3W59X2BiQHPkjyqLVN6W3fBAs/Y5ezmIyJAiRgATObqfmPXNOT/E+k bY0A== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Subject: Re: Thanks LD From: Matthias Grob In-Reply-To: <20120620210600.7068.37669.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 23:21:39 -0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2D8E4C79-7601-4850-957E-2ABEBCE17187@gmail.com> References: <20120620210600.7068.37669.levelstar.mail@everest> To: Loop List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 02:21:38 +0000 (UTC) hahaha Dr. Graham=85 sounds so strange, but is true! and certainly the only Dr. on earth specialized in polyphonic guitars! may those finally get the deserved attention youhouuuuu Ricky! Matthias On 20 Jun 2012, at 6:06 PM, Tyler wrote: > Congratulations, Dr. Graham! > Tyler Z > On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:04:41 +0100, Ricky Graham wrote: >=20 >=20 >> Hi Guys, >>=20 >> After a long 3 years of research, my PhD was awarded yesterday. Just >> wanted to express my thanks to those of you who took the time to >> answer a few questions back in 2009, including Rick, Bill, Andy, Per, >> Michael, Andre, Zoe & Matthias. You're all noted in the >> acknowledgements. >>=20 >> Ricky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 02:59:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07656183461; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 02:59:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 272932.32800.bm@omp1008.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1340247587; bh=6pL4H+s1pk7tbsjWaCvLsYTfGV6VwmTn7VbFizYe7ZU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=g0llcpYGgK7xORCbA5pICCSbEy9kJp3oM3wJJhLpFe7mHKM/qbMVawSnYfxh/wvGEuSEF99COacIOOgi28Dsadl1TWIkWf5RlxaweO31R4wwu2fELJzHTyjE44hNIcE0C9tOsMrLQ15NHZBR8p7WoJS3EmA7v/sq+btvOiailhE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hIgivcxsTOn+xMrMM4idqdlhRP1VCxfzKKyJ/1GZqC0vT8sT0VXHlE/Irs+QXwalDuJIGvlTSHyW0BkU2x5mWB2IjQpQlkt2GbNQv7Ou2X1mXHTUA1hllWsQ+N+zl/mISbW8uOn8rQyYxrocnfXKR4/LKSBERcll61x4+d56OdM=; X-YMail-OSG: dceFKHQVM1nyvVXVqT4F7zolc.Ghm43KsjvHOoGUC._.4nW mrAwaFfq_msp.WZWR9_vdglpoMK5mYrNkLq5xCylwQMfU7ax0qEaARGEbHci 72b23RPk.01TfDXgZBht9tR2JBS9MNi5bFyWwlPmU_rSR8q6cw84rGQj_Sg3 k46qYjSsplT6p_MdgcZJ4OeMVVRO6nb0ooipOBhmnyFbupx2GLkCvHZyTnvw LLFGKy0Di_XNbP.nW1GnrUIRxrjaEEGvNFmB1xJdAlPFdIu_sKuNtKN0lYEg 4y3XJ2fbW0u7FU2z8N4CBS9MHELdObohwAGmbAU2SQowj0d9Y.UqGeaPyMNw Y57tti4puZLBJklFgh2dwy90X.8OjRtDeezuMyKufh1PMRsmuLTjkTxU2SaG 7Wh7nvZd4.eKaZIoG16FLjHvrmXswXmoM54.1tcw80gMmgRSmoPH4EZ7kBNk ixCn7as239l39JM3HgwV5Nl4KTDqfCaLg63GRGNRy9DVpZI822X0H X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: Message-ID: <1340247587.68231.YahooMailNeo@web162705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:59:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Elmer Fuddski Reply-To: Elmer Fuddski Subject: Re: Rang III question and also I need help with clipping and distortion problem. To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1391001287-1746659400-1340247587=:68231" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 02:59:47 +0000 (UTC) --1391001287-1746659400-1340247587=:68231 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CONGRATULATIONS on receiving your new looper and join the club of folks fru= strated with one thing or another with their looper!=0A=A0=0AMy RC-30 gives= me a pain. The multiple track switching is so counter-intuitive. And other= strange design points as well.=0A=A0=0AI sold my rang. It needs a sidecar = in my humble opinion for normal use. I also did not like a lot of the=A0des= ign elements.=0A=A0=0AJ=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: = Sergio G =0ATo: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com= =0ASent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 10:19 PM=0ASubject: Rang III question an= d also I need help with clipping and distortion problem.=0A =0A=0A =0AHell= o to everybody!=0A=0AI was expecting some "hey! Congratulations!" for my "A= rrived" message where I tell I received the Rang II so I am officially a lo= oper :)=0AAnyway, I have=A0enough=A0chocolate=A0ice cream=A0(I scream, you = scream, we all scream for Ice Cream) to compensate the emotional damage of = this silence.=0A=0AIn the while I am playing with the Rang II.=0AImpression= s:=0A1) Beautiful! Little. Nice. Powerful.=0A2)=A0A bit noisy seems to be, = if volume is more than 2/3. Is it normal?=0A3) How can I make a loop longer= ?=A0I see that if a loop is 4 beats then if I don't stop stacking on time i= t starts the loop from the beginning and keeps stacking (which is uncomfort= able both because I cannot make a loop longer, and because I must be very c= areful not to reoverub!)=0A4)=A0I did not pay attention before: it has got = no memory extension. So, no SD card. If time is over, time is over. But for= now I am confident that the time will be enough. We'll see.=0A5) Also I di= d not pay attention to this before: it cannot store loops. I am not interes= ted in a extensive storage RC300 style, I will improvise on stage, I do not= need presaved loops, but it would be nice if when I do something nice and = I do not have a recorder with me, I could store it on the looper.=0A6) Othe= r "did not pa attention before":=A0no mic=A0input. So, mixer or mixer. Whic= h is a BIG mistake IMHO. It is so much smaller than a RC300, damn, Mike, pu= t a Mic input please, so I can go where I want with just looper and mic for= a very emergency survival loop kit. Loopers are NOT anymore just for guita= rists or keyboardists!=0A=0AThen there are few details more (which I believ= e they could be fixed with just a software update) but I am taking the time= to know it better. Too early to say really.=0A=0ABut apart for these thing= s, it is great.=A0=0A=0A=0A=0ANow, the clipping/distortion.=0AI am doing lo= t of pseudo techno stuff with it, but mostly with a mic and effects to make= my voice much lower and make it sound like an instrument.=0ASo, lot of bas= ses.=0AI am new to music and this question is probably very very basic but.= .. what is a compressor/limiter for? I was about to buy a RNC or RNLA, or a= DBX166xs.=0AI Just see that in Cubase there is a plugin compressor limiter= which helps me a lot in preventing clipping and saturation of sound.=0AI r= eally need to avoid clipping, saturation, distortion.=0AI will of course pa= y attention to the input and gain of the mic, but it happens anyway that th= ere is clipping etc.=0ASomebody told me I should use a good equalizer but I= still have the suspect that I need something different.=0AHelp?=0A=0AThank= s! --1391001287-1746659400-1340247587=:68231 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
CONGRATULA= TIONS on receiving your new looper and join the club of folks frustrated wi= th one thing or another with their looper!
&n= bsp;
My RC-30 gives me a pain. The multiple track switching= is so counter-intuitive. And other strange design points as well.
 
I sold my rang. It needs a sid= ecar in my humble opinion for normal use. I also did not like a lot of the&= nbsp;design elements.
 
= J

= From: Sergio G <simplif= lying@gmail.com>
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 10:19 PM
Subject: Rang III question and also I ne= ed help with clipping and distortion problem.

=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0AHello to everybody!

I was expecting so= me "hey! Congratulations!" for my "Arrived" message where I tell I received= the Rang II so I am officially a looper :)
Anyway, I have e= nough chocolate ice cream (I scream, you scream, we all scre= am for Ice Cream) to compensate the emotional damage of this silence.
=

In the while I am playing with the Rang II.
I= mpressions:
1) Beautiful! Little. Nice. Powerful.
2)&nb= sp;A bit noisy seems to be, if volume is m= ore than 2/3. Is it normal?
3) How can I make a loop longer?=  I see that if a loop is 4 beats then if I don't stop stacking on time= it starts the loop from the beginning and keeps stacking (which is uncomfo= rtable both because I cannot make a loop longer, and because I must be very= careful not to reoverub!)
4) I did= not pay attention before: it has got no memory extension. So, no SD card. = If time is over, time is over. But for now I am confident that the time wil= l be enough. We'll see.
5= ) Also I did not pay attention to this before: it cannot store loops. I am = not interested in a extensive storage RC300 style, I will improvise on stag= e, I do not need presaved loops, but it would be nice if when I do somethin= g nice and I do not have a recorder with me, I could store it on the looper= .
6) Other "did not pa at= tention before": no mic <= /span>input. So, mixer or mixer. Which is a BIG mistake IMHO. It is so much s= maller than a RC300, damn, Mike, put a Mic input please, so I can go where = I want with just looper and mic for a very emergency survival loop kit. Loop= ers are NOT anymore just for guitarists or keyboardists!
<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">
Then there are few de= tails more (which I believe they could be fixed with just a software update= ) but I am taking the time to know it better. Too early to say really.

But apart for these things, it is great. 



Now, the clipping/distortio= n.
I am doing lot of pseudo techno stuff with it, but mostly with= a mic and effects to make my voice much lower and make it sound like an in= strument.
So, lot of basses.
I am new to music and this= question is probably very very basic but... what is a compressor/limiter f= or? I was about to buy a RNC or RNLA, or a DBX166xs.
I Just see t= hat in Cubase there is a plugin compressor limiter which helps me a lot in preventing clipping and saturation of sound.
I really nee= d to avoid clipping, saturation, distortion.
I will of course pay= attention to the input and gain of the mic, but it happens anyway that the= re is clipping etc.
Somebody told me I should use a good equalize= r but I still have the suspect that I need something different.
H= elp?

Thanks!
=09=09 =09 =09=09
=0A


--1391001287-1746659400-1340247587=:68231-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 05:50:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46A6318345E; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 05:50:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=Wl5G0nSvryVFBoCYEWDaaFdoM0kBo1uyGbvfEvGvTro=; b=MhBi6n1LAQlQZsLzffgRxQxKkSVALASEQxEqa28FoKtn9hZni1UXH8u8fX718Kd4Hh scsmrsdVT+gAYl8WwAWd+cB5/uyZPSMtc0Y38BFREoP3OzM9A70xJR6grbQV2UNg6fDJ hfju85nfzQgWxKzEIVE5CiVmpPGxtuTP4GB0SQ2rSxjwj1Ajw0yB67L588ICBXpumcB2 Seep8rOABoHsLG16/5yGajkGrVdf/ucJ7z4qfq5ZuDecfqbf955xwGN2rrkuSCMuD27u qGH3pPl3frtrteLxC1wDu/7ouFSTcYXHqoaMCaBdb1CSqYAWv7hEA/cprK3n9vt21z+3 4oAQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 07:50:28 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: juXqHLv8cK6xyyNxGIbFmFAiIc0 Message-ID: Subject: Repeater Touch OSC template To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba61548ef83ade04c2f51899 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 05:50:51 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba61548ef83ade04c2f51899 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have been working on a Touch OSC template for the Repeater, for use with the Missing Link, here is is: http://www.markfrancombe-com/plugins/repeaterPad.touchosc and It looks like this: http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/repeater-ipad-touch-osc-template/ There are some refinements to be made and Im planing a second page now with ideas for track slip things. Like what happens if you double press a track reverse... well that track is now out of synch, so I need to have a way to put it back to normal. Plus I cant figure out how to divide the track slips numbers into sensible time divisions... Lets take a stroll around it? Basically on the left hand side is the transport controls. At the top, the global controls, and at the bottom left individual track controls (something that was very hard to get to in the hardware.. a two handed key combo!) Moving round in a clockwise fashion... Bottom middle is the mixer controls, with pan, and to the bottom right is the pitch sliders for each track, you can freely wiggle theses and they are quantised to semitones, (the red buttons returns them to normal) The section above in the middle and to the right is the Chord Pre-set section. This takes some explaining. It only really makes sense if I describe it thus. IF you record a single droning note onto ALL FOUR channels (or or REsample one track 3 times) then, by pressing one of these buttons you will get THAT chord. The labeling of the chords MAY not be musically correct, I discussed this at length with Rick, but never quite was sure if this was correct. Basically, if you press the button that says v (small v) you get a minor chord, a fifth away from the root (the drone note you entered) a V is major. Of course the application of this section is somewhat limited to one effect (that is my sig sound really) but think what you can do if you play 4 tracks (on the same not) but very differently, 1 drone, 1 rythmic chug, 1 wild frenzy and a minimal twinckle.. then when you change chords, the rythyms are retained but the chords play. Finally at the top of the template is a big old slider for the tape emulation slow down effect. Just cos you can (remember this doesnt work if you are currently synching to midi, but you can just hit the synch button while you do this... horrible... over-used effect...) Ill try to make some audio example soon... BTW its assuming you are using channel 1 on the Repeater. -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --90e6ba61548ef83ade04c2f51899 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been working on a Touch OSC template for the Repeater, for use with = the Missing Link, here is is:

http://www.markfrancombe-com/plugins/repeat= erPad.touchosc

and It looks like this:

http://www.markfrancombe.com/w= ordpress/repeater-ipad-touch-osc-template/

There are some refine= ments to be made and Im planing a second page now with ideas for track slip= things. Like what happens if you double press a track reverse... well that= track is now out of synch, so I need to have a way to put it back to norma= l. Plus I cant figure out how to divide the track slips numbers into sensib= le time divisions...

Lets take a stroll around it?
Basically on the left hand side is the= transport controls. At the top, the global controls, and at the bottom lef= t individual track controls (something that was very hard to get to in the = hardware.. a two handed key combo!)
Moving round in a clockwise fashion...
Bottom middle is=A0 the mixer con= trols, with pan, and to the bottom right is the pitch sliders for each trac= k, you can freely wiggle theses and they are quantised to semitones, (the r= ed buttons returns them to normal)
The section above in the middle and to the right is the Chord Pre-set secti= on. This takes some explaining. It only really makes sense if I describe it= thus. IF you record a single droning note onto ALL FOUR channels (or or RE= sample one track 3 times) then, by pressing one of these buttons you will g= et THAT chord. The labeling of the chords MAY not be musically correct, I d= iscussed this at length with Rick, but never quite was sure if this was cor= rect. Basically, if you press the button that says v (small v) you get a mi= nor chord, a fifth away from the root (the drone note you entered) a V is m= ajor. Of course the application of this section is somewhat limited to one = effect (that is my sig sound really) but think what you can do if you play = 4 tracks (on the same not) but very differently, 1 drone, 1 rythmic chug, 1= wild frenzy and a minimal twinckle.. then when you change chords, the ryth= yms are retained but the chords play.
Finally at the top of the template is a big old slider for the tape emulati= on slow down effect. Just cos you can (remember this doesnt work if you are= currently synching to midi, but you can just hit the synch button while yo= u do this... horrible... over-used effect...)

Ill try to make some audio example soon...

BTW its assuming you = are using channel 1 on the Repeater.


--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--90e6ba61548ef83ade04c2f51899-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 06:14:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B2FB18345B; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 06:14:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <3569BEEA-0261-4EE4-9C35-240D1D982735@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Thanks LD Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 23:14:34 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 06:14:41 +0000 (UTC) Yo Doctor! Congratulations, I can't for the life of me remember if i contributed to your thesis or not, Did I loan you cliff notes? ok just being a smart ass, that is great news and godspeed on the immigration as well, feel free to consult me on matters of american dialect. Please be careful not to take your dialect cues from the reality series "hillbilly hand fishing" or " jersey shore'". bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 06:44:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99AFB18345D; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 06:44:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <20120621025948.5EADB183473@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20120621025948.5EADB183473@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: RE: Distinguishing Looping Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:44:31 +0200 Message-ID: <005401cd4f79$5030e070$f092a150$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01CD4F8A.13B9B070" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-Language: de Thread-Index: Ac1PXvkyESOFN4VgTw+tbEfT+h6aNAAGh6Lg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 06:44:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01CD4F8A.13B9B070 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > If looping is not something distinct from other things, then what is = the point of maintaining the distinction at all?=20 =20 I totally agree. Tyler, I'd love to hear what you think about what = Michael Noble wrote! =20 =20 -MichaelP ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01CD4F8A.13B9B070 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> If looping is not something = distinct from other things, then what is the point of maintaining the = distinction at all?

 

I = totally agree. Tyler, I'd love to hear what you think about what Michael = Noble wrote!=C2=A0 =

 

-MichaelP

------=_NextPart_000_0055_01CD4F8A.13B9B070-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 07:03:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7657D18345D; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 07:03:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=gt3X/6+2ME21fBAyETywZtX/TEJi+ZZkc5arC9Lef4E=; b=JF8eIOEV2UHORRxBZIOyw9wi/J5TdtOFKfMx4KuoupxpA9s+vChZP660aOKxdw6BcW LYcPtQQdvVMC9kaFxJbyVsXsyMR5X5pJ3AqS4xm1i23p+N45hm9SHEwGp+Gzma54/r9q swKm9flFuL7H8roSxWo7KV5PUaI6tYZibCJco4DrSmEL2UqQvVa7z746IfSFHSqhEPBl mYYLNzEAaiYESHl6NWLwddoi3+/qTr6Y0hMNoPXKcXuZsn3UH7jgSenDyzQoz+CRKtUC USSFu4nTOkRftYQoB2dpIlRopGE9Bg83PxWnMRxrFUFmzT86M2Kvd7xRXGqxEcxtEHoi g3bg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:03:16 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Awesome looping song!!! From: Johannes Korn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04016c291babe704c2f61cd8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 07:03:17 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04016c291babe704c2f61cd8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sorry to disappoint you, but a Melltron doesn't use tape loops :-) 2012/6/21 Jeff Larson > > Hey I just discovered this awesome song! It uses a Mellotron so it's > looping! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZYNA6qUNTE > > > ;-) > -- jenko.nashorn@googlemail.com http://soundcloud.com/jenko-nashorn --f46d04016c291babe704c2f61cd8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry to disappoint you, but a Melltron doesn't use tape loops :-)
<= br>
2012/6/21 Jeff Larson <<= a href=3D"mailto:jeff.larson@sailpoint.com" target=3D"_blank">jeff.larson@s= ailpoint.com>

Hey I just discovered this awesome song! =A0It uses a Mellotron so it&= #39;s looping!



;-)



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--f46d04016c291babe704c2f61cd8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 07:30:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC6CC18345D; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 07:30:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-A1B4BAB3-4BCB-4883-B2F4-FEA15B00F4F9 Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Z Subject: Re: Awesome looping song!!! Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:30:26 +0200 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 07:30:31 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-A1B4BAB3-4BCB-4883-B2F4-FEA15B00F4F9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 it doesn't use a 'physical' loop, but as it rewinds the tape between each no= te it actually will sound as if ;) Le 21 juin 2012 =C3=A0 09:03, Johannes Korn a= =C3=A9crit : > Sorry to disappoint you, but a Melltron doesn't use tape loops :-) >=20 > 2012/6/21 Jeff Larson >=20 > Hey I just discovered this awesome song! It uses a Mellotron so it's loop= ing! >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DCZYNA6qUNTE >=20 >=20 > ;-) >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > jenko.nashorn@googlemail.com > http://soundcloud.com/jenko-nashorn >=20 --Apple-Mail-A1B4BAB3-4BCB-4883-B2F4-FEA15B00F4F9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
it doesn't use a 'physical= ' loop, but as it rewinds the tape between each note it actually will sound a= s if ;)



Le 21 juin 2012 =C3=A0 09:03, Johannes Kor= n <jenko.nashorn@googlema= il.com> a =C3=A9crit :

Sorry to disappoint you, but a Melltron doesn't use tape loops := -)

2012/6/21 Jeff Larson <jeff.lar= son@sailpoint.com>

Hey I just discovered this awesome song!  It uses a Mellotron so i= t's looping!



;-)



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= --Apple-Mail-A1B4BAB3-4BCB-4883-B2F4-FEA15B00F4F9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 08:43:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D5E8183460; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:43:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_3e0b29fb-a1bf-4dce-bc5b-98ecab1d1224_" X-Originating-IP: [86.153.221.83] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Rang III question and also I need help with clipping and distortion problem. Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:43:05 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2012 08:43:05.0978 (UTC) FILETIME=[E088ADA0:01CD4F89] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:43:07 +0000 (UTC) --_3e0b29fb-a1bf-4dce-bc5b-98ecab1d1224_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Sergio=2CCongrats!My Rang has a very clean sound but it doesn't need muc= h driving so I suggest you just keep your inout levels quite low. Re. stori= ng loops - if you want to keep loops you've created=2C just record them int= o Cubase. The 'rang is aimed at people creating loops live so to speak. Are= you trying to re-record previously made loops into the 'rang? If you need = a mic inout and are looking at e.q. then a small mixer might be a good inve= stment for you. I like the Alesis ones but there are many cheap and excelle= nt quality ones around. If I were to get another=2C I'd go for one with a u= sb interface=2C that'd let you transfer your loops pretty seamlessly to you= r computer. Peace G Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk From: simpliflying@gmail.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Rang III question and also I need help with clipping and distortio= n problem. Date: Thu=2C 21 Jun 2012 02:19:43 +0000 Hello to everybody! I was expecting some "hey! Congratulations!" for my "Arrived" message where= I tell I received the Rang II so I am officially a looper :)Anyway=2C I ha= ve enough chocolate ice cream (I scream=2C you scream=2C we all scream for = Ice Cream) to compensate the emotional damage of this silence. In the while I am playing with the Rang II.Impressions:1) Beautiful! Little= . Nice. Powerful.2) A bit noisy seems to be=2C if volume is more than 2/3. = Is it normal?3) How can I make a loop longer? I see that if a loop is 4 bea= ts then if I don't stop stacking on time it starts the loop from the beginn= ing and keeps stacking (which is uncomfortable both because I cannot make a= loop longer=2C and because I must be very careful not to reoverub!)4) I di= d not pay attention before: it has got no memory extension. So=2C no SD car= d. If time is over=2C time is over. But for now I am confident that the tim= e will be enough. We'll see.5) Also I did not pay attention to this before:= it cannot store loops. I am not interested in a extensive storage RC300 st= yle=2C I will improvise on stage=2C I do not need presaved loops=2C but it = would be nice if when I do something nice and I do not have a recorder with= me=2C I could store it on the looper.6) Other "did not pa attention before= ": no mic input. So=2C mixer or mixer. Which is a BIG mistake IMHO. It is s= o much smaller than a RC300=2C damn=2C Mike=2C put a Mic input please=2C so= I can go where I want with just looper and mic for a very emergency surviv= al loop kit. Loopers are NOT anymore just for guitarists or keyboardists! Then there are few details more (which I believe they could be fixed with j= ust a software update) but I am taking the time to know it better. Too earl= y to say really. But apart for these things=2C it is great.=20 Now=2C the clipping/distortion.I am doing lot of pseudo techno stuff with i= t=2C but mostly with a mic and effects to make my voice much lower and make= it sound like an instrument.So=2C lot of basses.I am new to music and this= question is probably very very basic but... what is a compressor/limiter f= or? I was about to buy a RNC or RNLA=2C or a DBX166xs.I Just see that in Cu= base there is a plugin compressor limiter which helps me a lot in preventin= g clipping and saturation of sound.I really need to avoid clipping=2C satur= ation=2C distortion.I will of course pay attention to the input and gain of= the mic=2C but it happens anyway that there is clipping etc.Somebody told = me I should use a good equalizer but I still have the suspect that I need s= omething different.Help? Thanks! = --_3e0b29fb-a1bf-4dce-bc5b-98ecab1d1224_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Sergio=2C
Congrats!
My Rang has a very clean sound but it = doesn't need much driving so I suggest you just keep your inout levels quit= e low. =3B
Re. storing loops - if you want to keep loops you'= ve created=2C just record them into Cubase. The 'rang is aimed at people cr= eating loops live so to speak. Are you trying to re-record previously made = loops into the 'rang? =3B
If you need a mic inout and are loo= king at e.q. then a small mixer might be a good investment for you. I like = the Alesis ones but there are many cheap and excellent quality ones around.= If I were to get another=2C I'd go for one with a usb interface=2C that'd = let you transfer your loops pretty seamlessly to your computer.
<= br>
Peace

G

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

From: simpliflying@gmail.com
To= : loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Rang III question and als= o I need help with clipping and distortion problem.
Date: Thu=2C 21 Jun = 2012 02:19:43 +0000

Hello to everybody!

I was expecting some "hey! Congratul= ations!" for my "Arrived" message where I tell I received the Rang II so I = am officially a looper :)
Anyway=2C I have =3Benough =3Bc= hocolate =3Bice cream =3B(I scream=2C you scream=2C we all scream f= or Ice Cream) to compensate the emotional damage of this silence.

In the while I am playing with the Rang II.
Impre= ssions:
1) Beautiful! Little. Nice. Powerful.
2) = =3BA bit noisy seems to be=2C if volume is m= ore than 2/3. Is it normal?
3) How can I make a loop longer?&nbs= p=3BI see that if a loop is 4 beats then if I don't stop stacking on time i= t starts the loop from the beginning and keeps stacking (which is uncomfort= able both because I cannot make a loop longer=2C and because I must be very= careful not to reoverub!)
4) =3BI did not pay attention before: it has got no memory extension. S= o=2C no SD card. If time is over=2C time is over. But for now I am confiden= t that the time will be enough. We'll see.
5) Also I did not pay attention to this before: it cannot s= tore loops. I am not interested in a extensive storage RC300 style=2C I wil= l improvise on stage=2C I do not need presaved loops=2C but it would be nic= e if when I do something nice and I do not have a recorder with me=2C I cou= ld store it on the looper.
= 6) Other "did not pa attention before": =3Bno mic =3Binput<= span style=3D"font-size:10pt">. So=2C mixer or mixer. Which is a BIG mistak= e IMHO. It is so much smaller than a RC300=2C damn=2C Mike=2C put a Mic inp= ut please=2C so I can go where I want with just looper and mic for a very e= mergency survival loop kit. Loopers are NOT anymore just for guitarists or = keyboardists!

Then there are few details more (which I believe they could be fix= ed with just a software update) but I am taking the time to know it better.= Too early to say really.

But apart for these thin= gs=2C it is great. =3B



Now=2C the clipping/distortion.
I am doing lot of pseudo t= echno stuff with it=2C but mostly with a mic and effects to make my voice m= uch lower and make it sound like an instrument.
So=2C lot of bass= es.
I am new to music and this question is probably very very bas= ic but... what is a compressor/limiter for? I was about to buy a RNC or RNL= A=2C or a DBX166xs.
I Just see that in Cubase there is a plugin c= ompressor limiter which helps me a lot in preventing clipping and saturatio= n of sound.
I really need to avoid clipping=2C saturation=2C dist= ortion.
I will of course pay attention to the input and gain of t= he mic=2C but it happens anyway that there is clipping etc.
Someb= ody told me I should use a good equalizer but I still have the suspect that= I need something different.
Help?

Thank= s!
= --_3e0b29fb-a1bf-4dce-bc5b-98ecab1d1224_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 09:57:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86D5B18345D; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:57:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=p8I+kkbybu2Bs1ddf/esiHcmAY8EjBMzZ0Z5FH/JdOI=; b=ZWSDaae8rFgQXJ+OdfVCk3XHXEtB7vmP26rIhHlToPodkRul4ve2v3Ru+0gC19o+4f Uoc708TKCXu20jAFC2TaHYzpzzS90rwF8xG4f9eHq6dhzIrC1io9HMbAahdEMNZvYu0O YtuhOo4b3c4gLuYXgxs8G5SZE7TmsZvnrSWleJifC3d6msINP3NSER24zuG2EedwILA4 n7AQ4+n5EvJ5SUodphLY8RFsD/OXaY+b9YsQhs0NFLyVFIRoKsiC5lxWQQUTu5xZgMVZ /58aCMCdfsPyCdX6qoqeJxDq4OKaCkW/DS4jhe2IDOVFnFZr0Ddt6pPC0d95EM3R0OcR lbig== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3569BEEA-0261-4EE4-9C35-240D1D982735@baymoon.com> References: <3569BEEA-0261-4EE4-9C35-240D1D982735@baymoon.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:57:51 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Thanks LD From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:57:53 +0000 (UTC) Thank you all. @Rick - Cheers, my friend. @Matthias - yes, hopefully it will gain some attention! @Bill - Thanks for being a smart ass ;) Unfortunately, I will be living in relative close proximity to Jersey City, so I may be out of luck there. On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 7:14 AM, William Walker wr= ote: > Yo Doctor! Congratulations, =A0I can't for the life of me remember if i > contributed to your thesis or not, Did I loan you cliff notes? ok just be= ing > a smart ass, =A0that is great news and godspeed on the immigration as wel= l, > feel free to consult me on matters of american dialect. Please be careful > not to take your dialect cues from the reality series "hillbilly hand > fishing" =A0or " jersey shore'". > =A0bill > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 11:22:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C403183455; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:22:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FE303FA.6080501@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 07:22:34 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:22:37 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on mindSpiral. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Triangulum" on Atomic City Records. The Focus page is at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#jun Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. Note: The WDIY website has changed and the Galactic Travels portion is gone. I will be working this issue. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 13:30:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EA5518345E; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:30:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_50106a27-1e68-44f6-8e17-7c015a7548ca_" X-Originating-IP: [92.228.254.190] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: RE: Rang III question and also I need help with clipping and distortion problem. Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:30:52 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1340247587.68231.YahooMailNeo@web162705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: ,<1340247587.68231.YahooMailNeo@web162705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2012 13:30:52.0654 (UTC) FILETIME=[144658E0:01CD4FB2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:30:53 +0000 (UTC) --_50106a27-1e68-44f6-8e17-7c015a7548ca_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mmm=2C I have the Side Car and yes=2C it helps a lot for real time looping.= Why you sold the Rang (3?) instead of buying the side car?And what do you h= ave now or at least what do you find more interesting? Sergio Date: Wed=2C 20 Jun 2012 19:59:47 -0700 From: jakebrakesrule@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Rang III question and also I need help with clipping and disto= rtion problem. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CONGRATULATIONS on receiving your new looper and join the club of folks fru= strated with one thing or another with their looper! My RC-30 gives me a pa= in. The multiple track switching is so counter-intuitive. And other strange= design points as well. I sold my rang. It needs a sidecar in my humble opi= nion for normal use. I also did not like a lot of the design elements. J From: Sergio G To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday=2C June 20=2C 2012 10:19 PM Subject: Rang III question and also I need help with clipping and distorti= on problem. =20 Hello to everybody! I was expecting some "hey! Congratulations!" for my "Arrived" message where= I tell I received the Rang II so I am officially a looper :)Anyway=2C I ha= ve enough chocolate ice cream (I scream=2C you scream=2C we all scream for = Ice Cream) to compensate the emotional damage of this silence. In the while I am playing with the Rang II.Impressions:1) Beautiful! Little= . Nice. Powerful.2) A bit noisy seems to be=2C if volume is more than 2/3. = Is it normal?3) How can I make a loop longer? I see that if a loop is 4 bea= ts then if I don't stop stacking on time it starts the loop from the beginn= ing and keeps stacking (which is uncomfortable both because I cannot make a= loop longer=2C and because I must be very careful not to reoverub!)4) I did not pay attention before: it has got no memory extensio= n. So=2C no SD card. If time is over=2C time is over. But for now I am conf= ident that the time will be enough. We'll see.5) Also I did not pay attenti= on to this before: it cannot store loops. I am not interested in a extensiv= e storage RC300 style=2C I will improvise on stage=2C I do not need presave= d loops=2C but it would be nice if when I do something nice and I do not ha= ve a recorder with me=2C I could store it on the looper..6) Other "did not = pa attention before": no mic input. So=2C mixer or mixer. Which is a BIG mi= stake IMHO. It is so much smaller than a RC300=2C damn=2C Mike=2C put a Mic= input please=2C so I can go where I want with just looper and mic for a very emergency survival loop kit. Loop= ers are NOT anymore just for guitarists or keyboardists! Then there are few details more (which I believe they could be fixed with j= ust a software update) but I am taking the time to know it better. Too earl= y to say really. But apart for these things=2C it is great.=20 Now=2C the clipping/distortion.I am doing lot of pseudo techno stuff with i= t=2C but mostly with a mic and effects to make my voice much lower and make= it sound like an instrument.So=2C lot of basses.I am new to music and this= question is probably very very basic but... what is a compressor/limiter f= or? I was about to buy a RNC or RNLA=2C or a DBX166xs.I Just see that in Cu= base there is a plugin compressor limiter which helps me a lot in preventing clipping and saturation of sound.I really need to avoid = clipping=2C saturation=2C distortion.I will of course pay attention to the = input and gain of the mic=2C but it happens anyway that there is clipping e= tc.Somebody told me I should use a good equalizer but I still have the susp= ect that I need something different.Help? Thanks! =20 = --_50106a27-1e68-44f6-8e17-7c015a7548ca_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mmm=2C I have the Side Car and yes=2C it helps a lot for real time looping.=
Why you sold the Rang (3?) instead of buying the side car?
A= nd what do you have now or at least what do you find more interesting?

Sergio

Date: Wed=2C 20 Jun 2012 19:59:47 -0700
From:= jakebrakesrule@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Rang III question and also I need= help with clipping and distortion problem.
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-= delight.com

CONGRATULATIONS on receiving your new looper and join the club of fo= lks frustrated with one thing or another with their looper!
 =3B
My RC-30 gives me a pain. The multi= ple track switching is so counter-intuitive. And other strange design point= s as well.
 =3B
I sold my= rang. It needs a sidecar in my humble opinion for normal use. I also did n= ot like a lot of the =3Bdesign elements.
=  =3B
J

=
From: Sergio G <= =3Bsimpliflying@gmail.com>=3B
To:= loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Wednesday=2C June 20=2C 2012 10:19 PM
Subject: Rang III question and= also I need help with clipping and distortion problem.
=
Hello to everybody!

I was expecting some "hey! Congratul= ations!" for my "Arrived" message where I tell I received the Rang II so I = am officially a looper :)
Anyway=2C I have =3Benough =3Bc= hocolate =3Bice cream =3B(I scream=2C you scream=2C we all scream f= or Ice Cream) to compensate the emotional damage of this silence.

In the while I am playing with the Rang II.
Impre= ssions:
1) Beautiful! Little. Nice. Powerful.
2) = =3BA bit noisy seems to be=2C if volume is m= ore than 2/3. Is it normal?
3) How can I make a loop longer?&nbs= p=3BI see that if a loop is 4 beats then if I don't stop stacking on time i= t starts the loop from the beginning and keeps stacking (which is uncomfort= able both because I cannot make a loop longer=2C and because I must be very= careful not to reoverub!)
4) =3BI did= not pay attention before: it has got no memory extension. So=2C no SD card= . If time is over=2C time is over. But for now I am confident that the time= will be enough. We'll see.
5) Also I did not pay attention to this before: it cannot store loops. I a= m not interested in a extensive storage RC300 style=2C I will improvise on = stage=2C I do not need presaved loops=2C but it would be nice if when I do = something nice and I do not have a recorder with me=2C I could store it on = the looper..
6) Other "did = not pa attention before": =3Bno m= ic =3Binput. So=2C mixer or mixer. Which is a BIG mistake IMHO. It is = so much smaller than a RC300=2C damn=2C Mike=2C put a Mic input please=2C s= o I can go where I want with just looper and mic for a very emergency survival loop kit. Loop= ers are NOT anymore just for guitarists or keyboardists!
<= span style=3D"font-size:10pt">
Then there are few deta= ils more (which I believe they could be fixed with just a software update) = but I am taking the time to know it better. Too early to say really.
<= div>
But apart for these things=2C it is great. =3B
=



Now=2C the clipping/disto= rtion.
I am doing lot of pseudo techno stuff with it=2C but mostl= y with a mic and effects to make my voice much lower and make it sound like= an instrument.
So=2C lot of basses.
I am new to music = and this question is probably very very basic but... what is a compressor/l= imiter for? I was about to buy a RNC or RNLA=2C or a DBX166xs.
I = Just see that in Cubase there is a plugin compressor limiter which helps me= a lot in preventing clipping and saturation of sound.
I really nee= d to avoid clipping=2C saturation=2C distortion.
I will of course= pay attention to the input and gain of the mic=2C but it happens anyway th= at there is clipping etc.
Somebody told me I should use a good eq= ualizer but I still have the suspect that I need something different.
=
Help?

Thanks!


= --_50106a27-1e68-44f6-8e17-7c015a7548ca_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 14:12:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F624183460; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:12:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rang III question and also I need help with clipping and distortion problem. In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CF1DCEFCD11C46_1518_3FFF_webmail-stg-d13.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36478-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CF1DCEFCC53561-1518-F0C@webmail-stg-d13.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [68.162.135.159] Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:12:12 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1340287932; bh=2+57r9dHHtF9h75W0hAT1QMXd7BMW1RQKLHqcbpKABw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wzLLVcOCWUh04L3vANOdKAZA3CdUTQSBl4B7p0WEgvIKv8tTU2+FU0qftbrD7MR3G dMG6OrjzcNMuqNjA4MKkAlqagqErt0P8oO6zqGYyZzuWpchpLxD41AnHDOH3Rkyy2V yPxJR5CfMv5z2raL3YEVC0G5iD95aUJs51JErik8= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:364402816:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d4fe32bbc6e16 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:12:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CF1DCEFCD11C46_1518_3FFF_webmail-stg-d13.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" sergio.....welcome to the wild world of looping!.....one of the most import= ant things about the rang, imho, is the "rule" to make sure everything is plugged in properly before turning it on, and no= changing configurations once it's up and running, this creates all kind of craziness.....mine has very clean sound, = no clipping nor distortion.....also, i can record very long loops on it,=20 i have yet to run out of time.....i have to agree that it is not very elega= nt in it's opperation which is one of it's downsides, work with it and i think you will grow to like it a lot.....m =09=09 =09 =09=09 =20 =09=09 =09 =09=09 =20 =20 ----------MB_8CF1DCEFCD11C46_1518_3FFF_webmail-stg-d13.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" sergio.....welcome to the wild worl= d of looping!.....one of the most important things about the rang, imho, is= the "rule"

to make sure everything is= plugged in properly before turning it on, and no changing configurations o= nce it's up and

running, this creates all = kind of craziness.....mine has very clean sound, no clipping nor distortion= .....also, i can record very long loops on it, 

i have yet to run out of t= ime.....i have to agree that it is not very elegant in it's opperation whic= h is one of it's downsides,

work with it and i think y= ou will grow to like it a lot.....m


=09=09 =09 =09=09
=09=09 =09 =09=09
----------MB_8CF1DCEFCD11C46_1518_3FFF_webmail-stg-d13.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 14:25:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D73D18345B; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:25:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_54a08f8e-920d-4f46-b858-bd4894f447e9_" X-Originating-IP: [92.228.254.190] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: RE: Rang III question and also I need help with clipping and distortion problem. Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:25:03 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2012 14:25:02.0794 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5825AA0:01CD4FB9] Resent-Message-ID: <0v3KmD.A.hPG._6y4PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:25:04 +0000 (UTC) --_54a08f8e-920d-4f46-b858-bd4894f447e9_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gareth=2C yes=2C I have a mixer=2C actually I have two=2C a Soundcraft efx8 and a mac= kie profx8 (this has got usb).I am recording my loops in Cubase before I go= to sleep=2C not as music production=2C just as documentation purposes.But = when I am out I will be unable to record anything unless I buy some recorde= r.But well=2C maybe I looked at the RC300 too long before deciding for the = RangIII=2C so I now feel that I miss some things of the RC300. We'll see. For the noise of the RangIII=2C I mean during the loop playback. If you do = not record and play back a loop there is no noise=2C but when you record so= mething and loop it back=2C at max volume there is noise.In yours there is = not?My mixer is pretty good=2C and the mic too. The cable is not profession= al=2C but... I thought it is also coming from the Rang. For the mic input=2C for what I do my BASIC emergency setup is a mic=2C eff= ect processor like digitech vocal300=2C harmony processor like tchelicon vo= icetone h1=2C and the looper. If the looper has got no mic input=2C then I = must also bring with me a mixer. It is not a deal breaker at all. I am stil= l convinced that I did the right choice with the Rang over the Boss. Sergio From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Rang III question and also I need help with clipping and disto= rtion problem. Date: Thu=2C 21 Jun 2012 08:43:05 +0000 Hi Sergio=2CCongrats!My Rang has a very clean sound but it doesn't need muc= h driving so I suggest you just keep your inout levels quite low. Re. stori= ng loops - if you want to keep loops you've created=2C just record them int= o Cubase. The 'rang is aimed at people creating loops live so to speak. Are= you trying to re-record previously made loops into the 'rang? If you need = a mic inout and are looking at e.q. then a small mixer might be a good inve= stment for you. I like the Alesis ones but there are many cheap and excelle= nt quality ones around. If I were to get another=2C I'd go for one with a u= sb interface=2C that'd let you transfer your loops pretty seamlessly to you= r computer. Peace G Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk From: simpliflying@gmail.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Rang III question and also I need help with clipping and distortio= n problem. Date: Thu=2C 21 Jun 2012 02:19:43 +0000 Hello to everybody! I was expecting some "hey! Congratulations!" for my "Arrived" message where= I tell I received the Rang II so I am officially a looper :)Anyway=2C I ha= ve enough chocolate ice cream (I scream=2C you scream=2C we all scream for = Ice Cream) to compensate the emotional damage of this silence. In the while I am playing with the Rang II.Impressions:1) Beautiful! Little= . Nice. Powerful.2) A bit noisy seems to be=2C if volume is more than 2/3. = Is it normal?3) How can I make a loop longer? I see that if a loop is 4 bea= ts then if I don't stop stacking on time it starts the loop from the beginn= ing and keeps stacking (which is uncomfortable both because I cannot make a= loop longer=2C and because I must be very careful not to reoverub!)4) I di= d not pay attention before: it has got no memory extension. So=2C no SD car= d. If time is over=2C time is over. But for now I am confident that the tim= e will be enough. We'll see.5) Also I did not pay attention to this before:= it cannot store loops. I am not interested in a extensive storage RC300 st= yle=2C I will improvise on stage=2C I do not need presaved loops=2C but it = would be nice if when I do something nice and I do not have a recorder with= me=2C I could store it on the looper.6) Other "did not pa attention before= ": no mic input. So=2C mixer or mixer. Which is a BIG mistake IMHO. It is s= o much smaller than a RC300=2C damn=2C Mike=2C put a Mic input please=2C so= I can go where I want with just looper and mic for a very emergency surviv= al loop kit. Loopers are NOT anymore just for guitarists or keyboardists! Then there are few details more (which I believe they could be fixed with j= ust a software update) but I am taking the time to know it better. Too earl= y to say really. But apart for these things=2C it is great.=20 Now=2C the clipping/distortion.I am doing lot of pseudo techno stuff with i= t=2C but mostly with a mic and effects to make my voice much lower and make= it sound like an instrument.So=2C lot of basses.I am new to music and this= question is probably very very basic but... what is a compressor/limiter f= or? I was about to buy a RNC or RNLA=2C or a DBX166xs.I Just see that in Cu= base there is a plugin compressor limiter which helps me a lot in preventin= g clipping and saturation of sound.I really need to avoid clipping=2C satur= ation=2C distortion.I will of course pay attention to the input and gain of= the mic=2C but it happens anyway that there is clipping etc.Somebody told = me I should use a good equalizer but I still have the suspect that I need s= omething different.Help? Thanks! = --_54a08f8e-920d-4f46-b858-bd4894f447e9_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Gareth=2C

yes=2C I have a mixer=2C actually I have tw= o=2C a Soundcraft efx8 and a mackie profx8 (this has got usb).
I = am recording my loops in Cubase before I go to sleep=2C not as music produc= tion=2C just as documentation purposes.
But when I am out I will = be unable to record anything unless I buy =3Bsome recorder.
B= ut well=2C maybe I looked at the RC300 too long before deciding for the Ran= gIII=2C so I now feel that I miss some things of the RC300. We'll see.

For the noise of the RangIII=2C I mean during the loop= playback. If you do not record and play back a loop there is no noise=2C b= ut when you record something and loop it back=2C at max volume there is noi= se.
In yours there is not?
My mixer is pretty good=2C and the mic too. The cable is not profes= sional=2C but... I thought it is also coming from the Rang.

For the mic&nbs= p=3Binput=2C for what I do my BASIC emergency setup is a mic=2C effect proc= essor like digitech vocal300=2C harmony processor like tchelicon voicetone = h1=2C and the looper. If the looper has got no mic input=2C then I must als= o bring with me a mixer. It is not a deal breaker at all. I am still convin= ced that I did the right choice with the Rang over the Boss.

=
Sergio

=
From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk
To: loopers-delig= ht@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Rang III question and also I need he= lp with clipping and distortion problem.
Date: Thu=2C 21 Jun 2012 08:43:= 05 +0000

Hi Sergio=2C
Congrats!
My Rang has a very clean sound but it = doesn't need much driving so I suggest you just keep your inout levels quit= e low. =3B
Re. storing loops - if you want to keep loops you'= ve created=2C just record them into Cubase. The 'rang is aimed at people cr= eating loops live so to speak. Are you trying to re-record previously made = loops into the 'rang? =3B
If you need a mic inout and are loo= king at e.q. then a small mixer might be a good investment for you. I like = the Alesis ones but there are many cheap and excellent quality ones around.= If I were to get another=2C I'd go for one with a usb interface=2C that'd = let you transfer your loops pretty seamlessly to your computer.
<= br>
Peace

G

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

From: simpliflying@gmail.com=
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Rang III question a= nd also I need help with clipping and distortion problem.
Date: Thu=2C 2= 1 Jun 2012 02:19:43 +0000

Hello to everybody!

I was expecting some "hey! Congratul= ations!" for my "Arrived" message where I tell I received the Rang II so I = am officially a looper :)
Anyway=2C I have =3Benough =3Bc= hocolate =3Bice cream =3B(I scream=2C you scream=2C we all scream f= or Ice Cream) to compensate the emotional damage of this silence.

In the while I am playing with the Rang II.
Impre= ssions:
1) Beautiful! Little. Nice. Powerful.
2) = =3BA bit noisy seems to be=2C if volume is m= ore than 2/3. Is it normal?
3) How can I make a loop longer?&nbs= p=3BI see that if a loop is 4 beats then if I don't stop stacking on time i= t starts the loop from the beginning and keeps stacking (which is uncomfort= able both because I cannot make a loop longer=2C and because I must be very= careful not to reoverub!)
4) =3BI did not pay attention before: it has got no memory extension. S= o=2C no SD card. If time is over=2C time is over. But for now I am confiden= t that the time will be enough. We'll see.
5) Also I did not pay attention to this before: it cannot s= tore loops. I am not interested in a extensive storage RC300 style=2C I wil= l improvise on stage=2C I do not need presaved loops=2C but it would be nic= e if when I do something nice and I do not have a recorder with me=2C I cou= ld store it on the looper.
= 6) Other "did not pa attention before": =3Bno mic =3Binput<= span style=3D"font-size:10pt">. So=2C mixer or mixer. Which is a BIG mistak= e IMHO. It is so much smaller than a RC300=2C damn=2C Mike=2C put a Mic inp= ut please=2C so I can go where I want with just looper and mic for a very e= mergency survival loop kit. Loopers are NOT anymore just for guitarists or = keyboardists!

Then there are few details more (which I believe they could be fix= ed with just a software update) but I am taking the time to know it better.= Too early to say really.

But apart for these thin= gs=2C it is great. =3B



Now=2C the clipping/distortion.
I am doing lot of pseudo t= echno stuff with it=2C but mostly with a mic and effects to make my voice m= uch lower and make it sound like an instrument.
So=2C lot of bass= es.
I am new to music and this question is probably very very bas= ic but... what is a compressor/limiter for? I was about to buy a RNC or RNL= A=2C or a DBX166xs.
I Just see that in Cubase there is a plugin c= ompressor limiter which helps me a lot in preventing clipping and saturatio= n of sound.
I really need to avoid clipping=2C saturation=2C dist= ortion.
I will of course pay attention to the input and gain of t= he mic=2C but it happens anyway that there is clipping etc.
Someb= ody told me I should use a good equalizer but I still have the suspect that= I need something different.
Help?

Thank= s!
=
= --_54a08f8e-920d-4f46-b858-bd4894f447e9_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 14:30:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E675183473; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:30:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=aGeuEsFl1ZrG7skkFwcDIrm0j9pTy4X7swIJ6dzT+Qg=; b=D9YOuGLOIaEcvctaWKp0j7rabUWisFVrwLmrQZAWvJjZboLDDGyJOigsxxCnHBSIiM DU14s6XmX2Jt88KE/ruVcDgERabgJCtkdfMMJZ8zloESmUCvqYyGf5QRuL6pUwcsLHow +BhePiRAoQS7OSmyjGdMd3uX5eBLZhAcNilszPZSUhLFr0en9ZIctj/K3GZgVB3Qybrd cGBw34xswRPsVtCdkPI/f++VsCfzppX05AHkILiqZGlezCy8wts9UaZ8iJKUu9G2igH8 qMXbwZ58Q+irv77/ZsS3i3lwK/mnCdCl/u2US6Z5cpyuMSRnTupm4e3mcBDGOpTtFFwZ eLXQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1340247587.68231.YahooMailNeo@web162705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:30:17 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Rang III question and also I need help with clipping and distortion problem. From: Bennett Williams To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93407f5c92ddc04c2fc5a21 Resent-Message-ID: <8B3QoB.A.kaG.6_y4PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:30:18 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93407f5c92ddc04c2fc5a21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have a Boomerang III and Side Car. I use it with my saxophone rig. I was having problems with clipping but I solved them. The way I did this was through the use of a Radial JCR Re-Amp box, and an FMR Audio ARC compression pedal. You have to remember that the Boomerang was designed to be the first thing that a guitar plugs into before the signal goes to the amp, and electric guitar signals are extremely weak and quiet. The Boomerang is designed to handle instrument level signals. Well, with the saxophone I am going through a mic preamp that has a line level (+4dB) output, and that's far too hot for the Boomerang, and it was clipping all over the place. The device that is needed to bring line level signals down to instrument level is a Re-Amp box. Go to the Radial Engineering website and look up the JCR ReAmp. That's the point of entry on my pedalboard for signal. So, now everything is down to instrument level, but I still want to control the dynamics so I go through the FMR Audio ARC compression pedal. It's a very musical sounding compression pedal, and it does a great job of smoothing things out. So, now I can use more gain on the Boomerang and use all of the digital headroom in it for the best audio quality. At the end of my signal path on the pedalboard is a Radial JDI Duplex direct box that goes to a stereo mic pre (Langevin Dual Vocal Combo) , and I am back up to line levels, it's either to the PA or recording. Works great. Sounds great. On Jun 21, 2012 9:30 AM, "Sergio G" wrote: --14dae93407f5c92ddc04c2fc5a21 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have a Boomerang III and Side Car. I use it with my saxophone rig. I w= as having problems with clipping but I solved them. The way I did this was = through the use of a Radial JCR Re-Amp box, and an FMR Audio ARC compressio= n pedal. You have to remember that the Boomerang was designed to be the fir= st thing that a guitar plugs into before the signal goes to the amp, and el= ectric guitar signals are extremely weak and quiet. The Boomerang is design= ed to handle instrument level signals. Well, with the saxophone I am going = through a mic preamp that has a line level (+4dB) output, and that's fa= r too hot for the Boomerang, and it was clipping all over the place. The de= vice that is needed to bring line level signals down to instrument level is= a Re-Amp box. Go to the Radial Engineering website and look up the JCR ReA= mp. That's the point of entry on my pedalboard for signal. So, now ever= ything is down to instrument level, but I still want to control the dynamic= s so I go through the FMR Audio ARC compression pedal. It's a very musi= cal sounding compression pedal, and it does a great job of smoothing things= out. So, now I can use more gain on the Boomerang and use all of the digit= al headroom in it for the best audio quality. At the end of my signal path = on the pedalboard is a Radial JDI Duplex direct box that goes to a stereo m= ic pre (Langevin Dual Vocal Combo) , and I am back up to line levels, it= 9;s either to the PA or recording. Works great. Sounds great.

On Jun 21, 2012 9:30 AM, "Sergio G" &l= t;simpliflying@gmail.com> = wrote:
--14dae93407f5c92ddc04c2fc5a21-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 14:55:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BCA4183462; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:55:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=t5xQz7XA/s2BURIlPsYpNtK1D7Ky9VGrW2e7KqOx6cA=; b=kWjaLBfBo3rIA2hAyiIy8fTLpQdPmsNbFeOd9YQn0GIrkGGG/d5HaJhc8/K6aEn1Vf 9cnGQ4S7Bz0XV8LD7K/kAlaTm+w1YrAJx4lb66Vtsvr7sMwc4SNie6/O1u+7BTZP7RRA QudZPUJfCvOflylA1PFy3XfNYnfDkFhFPnXNg6XSYMhDX0CGTGTMsDlZ2FR9hItWrBLJ +5uG1LSdDfDAGa4zRjgTr5wYYTVeV/ORPqEHKyKJJcgKFlWDh3r+GlqmEcIz69tGUoG9 XI73Z7GK63RnVkJ7Dnnb4SRiv9lnzfmK+jXEciyDUdWRZbfxQtIALogUYrWX0mMjTzMK qbgQ== Subject: Re: Rang III question and also I need help with clipping and distortion problem. References: From: Torben Scharling Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <12F76204-14FA-4B90-8875-07ADD4A93FDB@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:58:15 +0200 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:55:55 +0000 (UTC) Like I said, don't put it on max volume, that's gaining +10db which is usual= ly not needed. So put the volumes on 7 or less, and you should have a cleane= r signal :) /Torben Scharling From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 16:26:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C19D9183460; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:26:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=A970nklsf0i+liTjBs2BEXynA6LkG/alHgxa3Z4eviQ=; b=OI7z3iJhyTlZHPxfRuceWbbvZVm25mavVWHNLD5abbRZqLLwRNVatfSkn8TyeT0YJ3 pWariWZXuBYc9+IqChsubqPTxok4yxpLROBIam8ECOl7ebOkRaIYByq4sYAnqGXh2/5g ajqv3KJre1aW1W1prkBGzUpwr44ieQyp3WX0iFCDTJJHaRmCi/ccx54waWRIaFFLpIrC jmnDzhEyXxiPdS1j5c3+3NF7zXTlQxzjW5mtRMfUW5Vnl/D3joMp5FMlnmPHeEYKSXq9 9WMFmyRkFDV5B8Zaa9bFpTUFtzKfQTqaLI3MPBOh/1yx9c3dDTDt/UdgVLxOda18GeIo e2hA== From: Christopher Darrow Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9--935948367 Subject: Re: MRI recording Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:26:27 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <87B69F6EF57143F6BCD983E90E8DFDDF@ELUK1> <8D98AB2ABC994171BCC3218D136847ED@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-Id: <62487ECE-8F8E-4902-9F15-F1AF2A089943@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <5tCgg.A.ioH.-s04PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:26:38 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9--935948367 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 It's amazing how different that sounds from outside... listening to = these recordings makes me want to reproduce the sound as it sounds from = inside the machine.=20 And though this all may seem somewhat off topic, I think those of us = who've had an MRI are also responding to the cyclical loop of the sounds = as they sequence as well as the sounds themselves. The unexpected = jarring laser sounds that cycle, set against the engulfing rhythmic = mechanical hums. You can't help but wonder if that feeling is = principally the sensation caused by the incredible magnetic force or if = it's the audio and therefore tricks we can incorporate into looping to = ultimately reproduce that sensation? I tend to think the later and that = page: https://www.ynic.york.ac.uk/information/mri/sounds though not, to = me, what I was looking for, is an excellent reminder of the components. Thanks for sending. I've been too busy to read the rest of these and I'm = going camping for a week and a half but at some point I'm going to look = for any other posted sounds. In the mean time, if you don't mind = sharing, please let me know if you have any other MRI recordings by = direct email so I for sure get it and I'd LOVE to hear what you folks = make of it if any of you make an MRI track! ---Christopher soundcolor@yahoo.com On Jun 20, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: > Thanks Kris, I have found some sounds = https://www.ynic.york.ac.uk/information/mri/sounds also info on how = these could be recorded. >=20 > I too am fascinated and actually enjoy MRI's myself as far as it goes = :) I am going to ask about that, I get a disc of the pics, maybe they = have something with the sounds.. >=20 > J=20 >=20 > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Kris Hartung = wrote: > Good luck with that. But since I led this CD project, I may have the = source files. I received them from an MRI tech who figured out a way to = record the sounds. > They all pretty much sound the same, unless you just want your own = personal MRI session recorded. > I actually enjoyed the session very much. It was peaceful and the = sounds lulled me into a calm mood. > =20 > Steroid, spinal tap shot? That is a different story. I did not enjoy = that! > =20 > From: Stephen Goodman > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 10:34 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: MRI recording > =20 > Use a personal recorder but you can=92t get it near the thing. Ask = the attendant whether they can do the record-button thang while you=92re = in it. And ask for the video frames! > =20 > From: Jeff Duke > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:10 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: MRI recording > =20 > Hey loopers! I have an MRI scheduled this eve and was wondering how = you could record the sounds. I love the ct album=20 > MRI but didn't get much info about how to do it. >=20 > thanks! >=20 > Jeff >=20 >=20 > http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/ >=20 --Apple-Mail-9--935948367 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 https://www.yn= ic.york.ac.uk/information/mri/sounds though not, to me, what I was = looking for, is an excellent reminder of the = components.

Thanks for sending. I've been too = busy to read the rest of these and I'm going camping for a week and a = half but at some point I'm going to look for any other posted sounds. In = the mean time, if you don't mind sharing, please let me know if you have = any other MRI recordings by direct email so I for sure get it and I'd = LOVE to hear what you folks make of it if any of you make an MRI = track!


---Christopher
soundcolor@yahoo.com

On Jun 20, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Jeff Duke = wrote:

Thanks Kris, I have found some sounds https://www.yn= ic.york.ac.uk/information/mri/sounds also info on how these could be = recorded.

I too am fascinated and actually enjoy MRI's myself as = far as it goes :) I am going to ask about that, I get a disc of the = pics, maybe they have something with the sounds..

J

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:43 = PM, Kris Hartung <krispen.hartung@gmail.com> = wrote:
Good luck with that.   But since I led this CD project, I = may=20 have the source files. I received them from an MRI tech who figured out = a way to=20 record the sounds.
They all pretty much sound the same, unless you just want your own = personal=20 MRI session recorded.
I actually enjoyed the session very much. It was peaceful and the = sounds=20 lulled me into a calm mood.  = <wlEmoticon-smile[1].png>
 
Steroid, spinal tap shot?  That is a different story. I did = not enjoy=20 that!
 
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: MRI recording
 
Use a personal recorder but you can=92t get it near the = thing.  Ask the=20 attendant whether they can do the record-button thang while you=92re in = it. =20 And ask for the video frames!
 
From: Jeff Duke =
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:10 PM
Subject: MRI recording
 
Hey=20 loopers! I have an MRI scheduled this eve and was wondering how you = could record=20 the sounds. I love the ct album
MRI but didn't get much info about = how to do=20 it.

thanks!

Jeff


http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/
<= /div>


= --Apple-Mail-9--935948367-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 16:29:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 516B4183465; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:29:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:x-priority:in-reply-to:date :message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=673VMPQ9bKZrIoSgh+ZatXJ0U75oJYFbuWSLNTR0sOE=; b=JtpvSQ9KHsRsCUPOSf55BuE4LlC7yQH+3oCqx0SGpZXKft7MOoYFXODeov0hhOfrR+ tlhNvRTmnROIK64DkMGmvBFoCdeZEg6Z3e6V6d+U8RUn6tGykOepWNzfRuDZfTpDkM/M mLiGZstPOs5AWf6mi/FgPsLWPV+tOBnpbRekU0f2AkiUya83+8UeuAzLDJhofAPVCOTl zDEeNsaHgZbS+2YIC3O/66yjISDrUy0rYsXZoOj1p2js912fqCZfJgCOhhJhZ+cgB9m8 oF5ed5SVRINerjUyFqDJA/C5aSG61MurcL8NtHKBN7g0WM+SawR1qDqP0afa7cbmnNvr mTHA== Subject: Re: MRI recording Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-10--935752267 From: Christopher Darrow X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:29:44 -0700 Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:29:48 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-10--935752267 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Thank you, these are great.=20 On Jun 20, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Kris Hartung wrote: > =20 > Here are the source files for Project MRI: > https://www.box.com/shared/f7zjfruy5i > =20 > I found some funny emails on the project, copied below for your = entertainment: > =20 > =93I just had a most exhilarating experience: my first MRI (on my = lower back). This was amazing. I laid down on a sliding table, and they = pushed me into a sarcophagus like tube with mere inches around my entire = body. They put large headphones on my head, and then for the next 30 = minutes I was eased into a seemingly euphoric and meditative state. What = I heard were a series of interesting sounds...from jackhammer-like = hammering, to buzzing or vibrating cycles, bizarre sci-fi industrial = like sounds, and so on. It was delightful. The MRI technician said it = was a rarity for someone to actually enjoy that procedure. At one point = in time, I was in a half waking/dream state and was awoke by my leg = twitching. I could have stayed in there most of the day. And the = amazing thing is that when I asked about the source of the sounds, he = said they were not mechanically generated; rather, around my body, = encased in metal, was a giant electrical coil surrounded by helium, = chilled down to a cool minus 270 degrees. The sounds were a result of = changes they were making in the electrical current and the resulting = vibrations to the machine. Unbelievable...not sure how all that produces = an image of my back, however. > =20 > ...anyway, I started thinking, I would love to have that 30 minutes = captured on a digital recorder so that I could use it for looping or as = an ambient backdrop to my more experimental looping. > =20 > Are there any MRI technicians on the list?=94 > =20 > Kris > =20 > =94The machine I was encased in wasn't unbearable at all...in fact, = with the > firearm shooting headphones (exactly this, in fact, but modified with = the > plastic tube from the control room), the sound was perfect. Those = firearm > headphones filter out a lot of high end, and what I heard with them on = was > exquisite...no more or less louder than the volume that I use for = listening > to music. I wish I had turned the lights off in the dressing room = when I > removed the pants they provided, however, because the static = electricity was > unbelievable. >=20 > In light of the question, where's the melody...I did discern tones, = albeit > very constant and industry like. I concur with Edward's comments about = it > sounding like a strange sci-fi moving. In fact, it sort of reminded me = of > Forbidden Planet and the scene where they were taking a tour of that > monstrous facility under ground with all the automated machinery = developed > by aliens.=94 >=20 > Kris > FYI: from http://ucdirc.ucdavis.edu/facilities/index.php (see excerpt = below). This machine looks exactly like the one I was in. Article = discusses audio capturing techniques. > =20 > This URL has a sound clip of the MRI scan: = http://www.cis.rit.edu/htbooks/mri/chap-13/chap-13.htm > =20 > Direct Link to wav file: = http://www.cis.rit.edu/htbooks/mri/chap-13/sounds/se-1.wav (it is only = one of many of the sounds...probably the most uninspiring in my = opinion). There must be more of these on the web somewhere. > =20 > Kris > Auditory System: Auditory stimuli are presented during scanning via a = high-fidelity system designed for the MR environment (MR confon GmbH, = 39118 Magdeburg, Germany). The headphones contain electrostatic = transducers for a broad, flat frequency response and construction-grade = Peltor earmuffs for passive damping of gradient noise. By using = electrostatic rather than pneumatic transduction, this system produces = sound quality comparable to a home stereo, with 88dB signal-to-noise = ratio (SNR) and high channel separation. During a functional MRI = scanning session, sounds can be presented at detection-threshold levels = between "sparse" acquisitions or at conversational levels (approx. 75-80 = dB) during continuous scanning. Active Noise Cancellation (ANC) in the = headphones will further reduce the gradient noise and create a quieter = environment for subjects. ANC is under final pre-release testing at = MR-Confon, and the UC Davis IRC will be one of the first centers to use = ANC in fMRI research. For communication from the subject, the subject's = voice is transmitted to the scan operator via Phone-OR, an = MR-compatible, optical microphone mounted on the headphones (Magmedix, = Inc., Fitchburg, MA, 01420). This microphone system suppresses gradient = noise from the transmitted audio signal, using both simple subtraction = and advanced algorithms based on speech-recognition. Combined with the = MR confon system, extremely clear bidirectional (subject to/from = operator) communication is possible during scanning to provide excellent = audio SNR for voice-key applications. >=20 >=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 --Apple-Mail-10--935752267 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
 
Here are the source files for Project MRI:
 
I found some funny emails on the project, copied below for your=20 entertainment:
 
=93I just had a most exhilarating = experience: my=20 first MRI (on my lower back).  This was amazing. I laid down on a = sliding=20 table, and they pushed me into a sarcophagus like tube with mere inches = around=20 my entire body.  They put large headphones on my head, and then for = the=20 next 30 minutes I was eased into a seemingly euphoric and meditative = state. What=20 I heard were a series of interesting sounds...from jackhammer-like = hammering, to=20 buzzing or vibrating cycles, bizarre sci-fi industrial like sounds, and = so on.=20 It was delightful.  The MRI technician said it was a rarity for = someone to=20 actually enjoy that procedure.  At one point in time, I was in a = half=20 waking/dream state and was awoke by my leg twitching.  I could have = stayed=20 in there most of the day. And the amazing thing is that when I asked = about the=20 source of the sounds, he said they were not mechanically generated; = rather,=20 around my body, encased in metal, was a giant electrical coil surrounded = by=20 helium, chilled down to a cool minus 270 degrees.  The sounds were = a result=20 of changes they were making in the electrical current and the resulting=20= vibrations to the machine. Unbelievable...not sure how all that produces = an=20 image of my back, however.
 
...anyway, I started thinking, I = would love to have=20 that 30 minutes captured on a digital recorder so that I could use it = for=20 looping or as an ambient backdrop to my more experimental = looping.
 
Are there any MRI technicians on = the=20 list?=94
 
Kris
 
=94The machine I was encased in = wasn't=20 unbearable at all...in fact, with the
firearm shooting headphones = (exactly=20 this, in fact, but modified with the
plastic tube from the control = room), the=20 sound was perfect. Those firearm
headphones filter out a lot of high = end, and=20 what I heard with them on was
exquisite...no more or less louder than = the=20 volume that I use for listening
to music.  I wish I had turned = the=20 lights off in the dressing room when I
removed the pants they = provided,=20 however, because the static electricity was
unbelievable.

In = light of=20 the question, where's the melody...I did discern tones, albeit
very = constant=20 and industry like. I concur with Edward's comments about it
sounding = like a=20 strange sci-fi moving. In fact, it sort of reminded me of
Forbidden = Planet=20 and the scene where they were taking a tour of that
monstrous = facility under=20 ground with all the automated machinery developed
by=20 aliens.=94

Kris
FYI: from http://ucdirc.ucdavis.edu/facilities/index.php (see excerpt below). This machine looks = exactly like the one I was=20 in. Article discusses audio capturing techniques.
 
This URL has a sound clip of the = MRI scan: http://www= .cis.rit.edu/htbooks/mri/chap-13/chap-13.htm
 
Direct Link to wav file: http:/= /www.cis.rit.edu/htbooks/mri/chap-13/sounds/se-1.wav=20 (it is only one of many of the sounds...probably the most uninspiring in = my=20 opinion).  There must be more of these on the web = somewhere.
 
Kris

Auditory System: Auditory = stimuli are presented=20 during scanning via a high-fidelity system designed for the MR = environment (MR=20 confon GmbH, 39118 Magdeburg, Germany). The headphones contain = electrostatic=20 transducers for a broad, flat frequency response and construction-grade = Peltor=20 earmuffs for passive damping of gradient noise. By using electrostatic = rather=20 than pneumatic transduction, this system produces sound quality = comparable to a=20 home stereo, with 88dB signal-to-noise ratio (SNR) and high channel = separation.=20 During a functional MRI scanning session, sounds can be presented at=20 detection-threshold levels between "sparse" acquisitions or at = conversational=20 levels (approx. 75-80 dB) during continuous scanning. Active Noise = Cancellation=20 (ANC) in the headphones will further reduce the gradient noise and = create a=20 quieter environment for subjects. ANC is under final pre-release testing = at=20 MR-Confon, and the UC Davis IRC will be one of the first centers to use = ANC in=20 fMRI research. For communication from the subject, the subject's = voice=20 is transmitted to the scan operator via Phone-OR, an MR-compatible, = optical=20 microphone mounted on the headphones (Magmedix, Inc., Fitchburg, MA,=20 01420). This microphone system suppresses gradient noise from = the=20 transmitted audio signal, using both simple subtraction and advanced = algorithms=20 based on speech-recognition. Combined with the MR confon system, = extremely clear=20 bidirectional (subject to/from operator) communication is possible = during=20 scanning to provide excellent audio SNR for voice-key applications.=20


 
 
 
 
 

= --Apple-Mail-10--935752267-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 16:42:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6702183461; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:42:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=6KEESj0C4r9fyGQ0xkx/PvUBxyb441MLFQwMWIK7V3o=; b=fILRSAa43zxB73oOxREHFM92RLeMxvEd8dp4usn8D3/E6m2fALqn8asUjXlsPPIX4x fSzXh4Imp5ifF3Z7MMnzuJ3CHp/v3EPv0RWeVrp3W8WWdks7j3A7JMFt12TfJQ0CLbNj xCmuJYMmmapeWMSBW51h4RPpSADG5TJ/IgLRmZloaZrT3WyjPGOiZn6sIIBz29VxXgb8 aVPSGe6Yhfw2WJ3+igeyMFyRRLh5mg+sw3Gb35emjn7mHGLr9N8sRXJa3iVA1XX1GAdM Hok1eMZ+xQYlrEgLNJdmVtR+oEZGKqNV+JwBr1ckGR/vNmA5qJ2YaHiIVGFZ1a1odn3/ qMtw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:42:30 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MRI recording From: Bennett Williams To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30266e38a66a0c04c2fe33e5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:42:31 +0000 (UTC) --20cf30266e38a66a0c04c2fe33e5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am a Radiologic Technologist. You will not be able to bring a recording device into the magnet. If you did, it would fly out of your hand, into the magnet, and take out anything in it's path. The magnet is 25, 000 times stronger than the Earth's magnetic field. In order to record the sounds of the magnet, you would have to find some kind of microphone that would work in the presence of that kind of magnetic field. I am thinking a PZM mic might work, but those are made of metal, so you better hang on tight to it. *maybe* you could duct tape it to the wall and run a cable out of the room to the recorder. I would not take the risk of having a person inside the magnet with any metal object that could become a projectile if it came loose as that can cause serious injury or even be fatal. (Oxygen tanks have become missiles) They do however, have phantom objects that are used for daily calibration. Talk to the tech and see if you could come in when the patients are gone, and see if you can do some recording then. Be prepared to experiment. On Jun 20, 2012 12:10 PM, "Jeff Duke" wrote: > Hey loopers! I have an MRI scheduled this eve and was wondering how you > could record the sounds. I love the ct album > MRI but didn't get much info about how to do it. > > thanks! > > Jeff > > > http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/ > --20cf30266e38a66a0c04c2fe33e5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am a Radiologic Technologist. You will not be able to bring a recordin= g device into the magnet. If you did, it would fly out of your hand, into t= he magnet, and take out anything in it's path. The magnet is 25, 000 ti= mes stronger than the Earth's magnetic field. In order to record the so= unds of the magnet, you would have to find some kind of microphone that wou= ld work in the presence of that kind of magnetic field. I am thinking a PZM= mic might work, but those are made of metal, so you better hang on tight t= o it. *maybe* you could duct tape it to the wall and run a cable out of the= room to the recorder. I would not take the risk of having a person inside = the magnet with any metal object that could become a projectile if it came = loose as that can cause serious injury or even be fatal. (Oxygen tanks have= become missiles) They do however, have phantom objects that are used for d= aily calibration. Talk to the tech and see if you could come in when the pa= tients are gone, and see if you can do some recording then. Be prepared to = experiment.

On Jun 20, 2012 12:10 PM, "Jeff Duke" = <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrot= e:
Hey loopers! I have an MRI scheduled this eve and was wondering how you cou= ld record the sounds. I love the ct album
MRI but didn't get much i= nfo about how to do it.

thanks!

Jeff


http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com= /
--20cf30266e38a66a0c04c2fe33e5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 17:35:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EB5A183460; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:35:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ICKpwzuLLElezra5Phv1wziDWgMbZcwR6VaEOqyTTYw=; b=HXMsp9GZPAJMZrn4nLj+EAfwgb8QEHUyvMuq6u1tYzi+zuaYWH44aWKsyslV+oSmt5 oi61FbC2aTxFWR6ZuxFRRz8y/TzMgQ1q4XGNtW2Om/5JsW3cCRtcKaL0qEfmbLOA+d7x x7q+KlyYeDF94TAeNwvTMYokMIFuJGA9fFSezvx9fo49JWFQuoqr9SIwo4Z+fkIeKdzG H8WrXCknk7+ifzFhjv4grPpsSC5PR395Q8zvxz8Sg9lizf3imsoXymH6b5w1USXzuhQs YtDp5CLzmLgVmABQzXhmAJiwjmuH2XKYsilOA+ALisq2Q3piZOj/LcyaOegng1PcGyZp Pqxw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:35:02 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MRI recording From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb202a07a456604c2feeff0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:35:03 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8fb202a07a456604c2feeff0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey thanks Bennett and to all who responded. We I ended up having two scans which is way too long in there but the sounds are so visceral and deep I got through it ok. I did ask them about recording but they seemed pretty reticent. They were and are usually really busy so I just got on with it. Kris's recordings and those online are cool but it would be difficult to capture the real intensity of the experience anyway :) Jeff On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Bennett Williams < bennettwilliamsdrums@gmail.com> wrote: > I am a Radiologic Technologist. You will not be able to bring a recording > device into the magnet. If you did, it would fly out of your hand, into the > magnet, and take out anything in it's path. The magnet is 25, 000 times > stronger than the Earth's magnetic field. In order to record the sounds of > the magnet, you would have to find some kind of microphone that would work > in the presence of that kind of magnetic field. I am thinking a PZM mic > might work, but those are made of metal, so you better hang on tight to it. > *maybe* you could duct tape it to the wall and run a cable out of the room > to the recorder. I would not take the risk of having a person inside the > magnet with any metal object that could become a projectile if it came > loose as that can cause serious injury or even be fatal. (Oxygen tanks have > become missiles) They do however, have phantom objects that are used for > daily calibration. Talk to the tech and see if you could come in when the > patients are gone, and see if you can do some recording then. Be prepared > to experiment. > On Jun 20, 2012 12:10 PM, "Jeff Duke" wrote: > >> Hey loopers! I have an MRI scheduled this eve and was wondering how you >> could record the sounds. I love the ct album >> MRI but didn't get much info about how to do it. >> >> thanks! >> >> Jeff >> >> >> http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/ >> > --e89a8fb202a07a456604c2feeff0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey thanks Bennett and to all who responded. We I ended up having two scans= which is way too long in there but the sounds are so visceral and deep I g= ot through it ok.

I did ask them about recording but they seemed pr= etty reticent. They were and are usually really busy so I just got on with = it.

Kris's recordings and those online are cool but it would be difficu= lt to capture the real intensity of the experience anyway :)

Jeff
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Bennett = Williams <bennettwilliamsdrums@gmail.com> wrote= :

I am a Radiologic Technologist. You will = not be able to bring a recording device into the magnet. If you did, it wou= ld fly out of your hand, into the magnet, and take out anything in it's= path. The magnet is 25, 000 times stronger than the Earth's magnetic f= ield. In order to record the sounds of the magnet, you would have to find s= ome kind of microphone that would work in the presence of that kind of magn= etic field. I am thinking a PZM mic might work, but those are made of metal= , so you better hang on tight to it. *maybe* you could duct tape it to the = wall and run a cable out of the room to the recorder. I would not take the = risk of having a person inside the magnet with any metal object that could = become a projectile if it came loose as that can cause serious injury or ev= en be fatal. (Oxygen tanks have become missiles) They do however, have phan= tom objects that are used for daily calibration. Talk to the tech and see i= f you could come in when the patients are gone, and see if you can do some = recording then. Be prepared to experiment.

On Jun 20, 2012 12:10 PM, "Jeff Duke" = <jeffloops@gmai= l.com> wrote:
Hey loopers! I have an MRI scheduled this eve and was wondering how you cou= ld record the sounds. I love the ct album
MRI but didn't get much i= nfo about how to do it.

thanks!

Jeff


http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com= /

--e89a8fb202a07a456604c2feeff0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 18:09:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECD79183462; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:09:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_d5c2a605-4b1f-48ca-85f8-228a3af595d6_" X-Originating-IP: [92.228.254.190] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: RE: Rang III question and also I need help with clipping and distortion problem. Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:09:42 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8CF1DCEFCC53561-1518-F0C@webmail-stg-d13.sysops.aol.com> References: ,<8CF1DCEFCC53561-1518-F0C@webmail-stg-d13.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2012 18:09:43.0502 (UTC) FILETIME=[08A326E0:01CD4FD9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:09:44 +0000 (UTC) --_d5c2a605-4b1f-48ca-85f8-228a3af595d6_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Michael=2Cyes I was reading it in the manual=2C to connect all before= turning it on. I do that.But what would happen if in some moment I need to= connect/disconnet a cable and I do not turn it off before?SergioTo: Looper= s-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rang III question and also I need help with clipping and disto= rtion problem. From: nemoguitt@aol.com Date: Thu=2C 21 Jun 2012 10:12:12 -0400 sergio.....welcome to the wild world of looping!.....one of the most import= ant things about the rang=2C imho=2C is the "rule" to make sure everything is plugged in properly before turning it on=2C and = no changing configurations once it's up and running=2C this creates all kind of craziness.....mine has very clean sound= =2C no clipping nor distortion......also=2C i can record very long loops on= it=2C=20 i have yet to run out of time.....i have to agree that it is not very elega= nt in it's opperation which is one of it's downsides=2C work with it and i think you will grow to like it a lot.....m =20 =20 =20 = --_d5c2a605-4b1f-48ca-85f8-228a3af595d6_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Michael=2C
yes I was reading it in the manual=2C to connect all b= efore turning it on. I do that.
But what would happen if in some = moment I need to connect/disconnet a cable and I do not turn it off before?=
Sergio
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:= Rang III question and also I need help with clipping and distortion proble= m.
From: nemoguitt@aol.com
Date: Thu=2C 21 Jun 2012 10:12:12 -0400
sergio.....welcome to t= he wild world of looping!.....one of the most important things about the ra= ng=2C imho=2C is the "rule"

to make sure everything= is plugged in properly before turning it on=2C and no changing configurati= ons once it's up and

running=2C this creates= all kind of craziness.....mine has very clean sound=2C no clipping nor dis= tortion......also=2C i can record very long loops on it=2C =3B

i have yet to run out o= f time.....i have to agree that it is not very elegant in it's opperation w= hich is one of it's downsides=2C

work with it and i thin= k you will grow to like it a lot.....m



=20
= --_d5c2a605-4b1f-48ca-85f8-228a3af595d6_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 18:37:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8760B183463; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:37:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_b5caa662-feb2-4a7b-ada7-7dcf922ebbd4_" X-Originating-IP: [92.228.254.190] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: RE: Rang III question and also I need help with clipping and distortion problem. Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:37:37 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<1340247587.68231.YahooMailNeo@web162705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2012 18:37:38.0220 (UTC) FILETIME=[EED8D6C0:01CD4FDC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:37:39 +0000 (UTC) --_b5caa662-feb2-4a7b-ada7-7dcf922ebbd4_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Bennet=2C thanks for the tipps=2C sounds interesting=2C but=2C are you saying then th= at I cannot connect all the instrument to a mixer and then the mixer to the= Rang without another gear which transform the mixer line signal in instrum= ent level signal?It would have been nice to know that before :(That's stran= ge anyway=2C I've seen the rc-300 and rc-50 used with a mixer. And they=2C = I am checking=2C have apparently also only instrument input.Mumble.I use it= more with the voice (generally effected voice for a futuristica techno bea= tboxing) and some other things like percussions (through same mic) and synt= h.All connected to the mixer.So I need something to bring all to instrument= level?And then why do I still need a compressor/limiter?I may probably be = very ingenuely wrong but I thought the compressor limiter was to avoid peak= s and saturated distorted sound (which is something I also need especially = when I beatbox and especially when I do the bass beatbox. WHat do I need to= solve this?). Anyway your lineup sounds so complicated to me. I hoped I could have just u= sed all through a mixer=2C the mixer to the rang=2C the rang to the speaker= s or amp or other mixer.Then I was thinking about something to avoid peaks/= saturation/distorsion=2C eventually a denoiser to avoid having to reduce to= o much the highs.But all those things you have are a mistery to me.:)Date: = Thu=2C 21 Jun 2012 10:30:17 -0400 Subject: RE: Rang III question and also I need help with clipping and disto= rtion problem. From: bennettwilliamsdrums@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com I have a Boomerang III and Side Car. I use it with my saxophone rig. I was = having problems with clipping but I solved them. The way I did this was thr= ough the use of a Radial JCR Re-Amp box=2C and an FMR Audio ARC compression= pedal. You have to remember that the Boomerang was designed to be the firs= t thing that a guitar plugs into before the signal goes to the amp=2C and e= lectric guitar signals are extremely weak and quiet. The Boomerang is desig= ned to handle instrument level signals. Well=2C with the saxophone I am goi= ng through a mic preamp that has a line level (+4dB) output=2C and that's f= ar too hot for the Boomerang=2C and it was clipping all over the place. The= device that is needed to bring line level signals down to instrument level= is a Re-Amp box. Go to the Radial Engineering website and look up the JCR = ReAmp. That's the point of entry on my pedalboard for signal. So=2C now eve= rything is down to instrument level=2C but I still want to control the dyna= mics so I go through the FMR Audio ARC compression pedal. It's a very music= al sounding compression pedal=2C and it does a great job of smoothing thing= s out. So=2C now I can use more gain on the Boomerang and use all of the di= gital headroom in it for the best audio quality. At the end of my signal pa= th on the pedalboard is a Radial JDI Duplex direct box that goes to a stere= o mic pre (Langevin Dual Vocal Combo) =2C and I am back up to line levels= =2C it's either to the PA or recording. Works great. Sounds great. On Jun 21=2C 2012 9:30 AM=2C "Sergio G" wrote: = --_b5caa662-feb2-4a7b-ada7-7dcf922ebbd4_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Bennet=2C

thanks for the tipps=2C sounds interesti= ng=2C but=2C are you saying then that I cannot connect all the instrument t= o a mixer and then the mixer to the Rang without another gear which transfo= rm the mixer line signal in instrument level signal?
It would hav= e been nice to know that before :(
That's strange anyway=2C I've = seen the rc-300 and rc-50 used with a mixer. And they=2C I am checking=2C h= ave apparently also only instrument input.
Mumble.
I us= e it more with the voice (generally effected voice for a futuristica techno= beatboxing) and some other things like percussions (through same mic) and = synth.
All connected to the mixer.
So I need something = to bring all to instrument level?
And then why do I still need a = compressor/limiter?
I may probably be very ingenuely wrong but I = thought the compressor limiter was to avoid peaks and saturated distorted s= ound (which is something I also need especially when I beatbox and especial= ly when I do the bass beatbox. WHat do I need to solve this?).
Anyway your lineup sounds so complicated to me. I hoped I coul= d have just used all through a mixer=2C the mixer to the rang=2C the rang t= o the speakers or amp or other mixer.
Then I was thinking about s= omething to avoid peaks/saturation/distorsion=2C eventually a denoiser to a= void having to reduce too much the highs.
But all those things yo= u have are a mistery to me.
:)
Date: Thu=2C 21 Jun 2012 10:30:1= 7 -0400
Subject: RE: Rang III question and also I need help with clippin= g and distortion problem.
From: bennettwilliamsdrums@gmail.com
To: Lo= opers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

I have a Boomerang III and Side Ca= r. I use it with my saxophone rig. I was having problems with clipping but = I solved them. The way I did this was through the use of a Radial JCR Re-Am= p box=2C and an FMR Audio ARC compression pedal. You have to remember that = the Boomerang was designed to be the first thing that a guitar plugs into b= efore the signal goes to the amp=2C and electric guitar signals are extreme= ly weak and quiet. The Boomerang is designed to handle instrument level sig= nals. Well=2C with the saxophone I am going through a mic preamp that has a= line level (+4dB) output=2C and that's far too hot for the Boomerang=2C an= d it was clipping all over the place. The device that is needed to bring li= ne level signals down to instrument level is a Re-Amp box. Go to the Radial= Engineering website and look up the JCR ReAmp. That's the point of entry o= n my pedalboard for signal. So=2C now everything is down to instrument leve= l=2C but I still want to control the dynamics so I go through the FMR Audio= ARC compression pedal. It's a very musical sounding compression pedal=2C a= nd it does a great job of smoothing things out. So=2C now I can use more ga= in on the Boomerang and use all of the digital headroom in it for the best = audio quality. At the end of my signal path on the pedalboard is a Radial J= DI Duplex direct box that goes to a stereo mic pre (Langevin Dual Vocal Com= bo) =2C and I am back up to line levels=2C it's either to the PA or recordi= ng. Works great. Sounds great.
On Jun 21=2C 2012 9:30 AM=2C "Sergio G" <= =3Bsimpliflying@gmail.com>= =3B wrote:
= --_b5caa662-feb2-4a7b-ada7-7dcf922ebbd4_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 18:44:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1A9F18345C; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:44:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_cd780f66-5494-4b7c-bdf9-cb1b2b4ee39c_" X-Originating-IP: [86.153.221.83] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Rang III question and also I need help with clipping and distortion problem. Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:44:54 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<1340247587.68231.YahooMailNeo@web162705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>,,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2012 18:44:55.0767 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3A53670:01CD4FDD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:44:56 +0000 (UTC) --_cd780f66-5494-4b7c-bdf9-cb1b2b4ee39c_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you treat the 'rang as if it were a guitar pedal=2C you'll be fine. Be g= entle with it and it will be fine... =3B-) peace g Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk From: simpliflying@gmail.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Rang III question and also I need help with clipping and disto= rtion problem. Date: Thu=2C 21 Jun 2012 18:37:37 +0000 Hello Bennet=2C thanks for the tipps=2C sounds interesting=2C but=2C are you saying then th= at I cannot connect all the instrument to a mixer and then the mixer to the= Rang without another gear which transform the mixer line signal in instrum= ent level signal?It would have been nice to know that before :(That's stran= ge anyway=2C I've seen the rc-300 and rc-50 used with a mixer. And they=2C = I am checking=2C have apparently also only instrument input.Mumble.I use it= more with the voice (generally effected voice for a futuristica techno bea= tboxing) and some other things like percussions (through same mic) and synt= h.All connected to the mixer.So I need something to bring all to instrument= level?And then why do I still need a compressor/limiter?I may probably be = very ingenuely wrong but I thought the compressor limiter was to avoid peak= s and saturated distorted sound (which is something I also need especially = when I beatbox and especially when I do the bass beatbox. WHat do I need to= solve this?). Anyway your lineup sounds so complicated to me. I hoped I could have just u= sed all through a mixer=2C the mixer to the rang=2C the rang to the speaker= s or amp or other mixer.Then I was thinking about something to avoid peaks/= saturation/distorsion=2C eventually a denoiser to avoid having to reduce to= o much the highs.But all those things you have are a mistery to me.:)Date: = Thu=2C 21 Jun 2012 10:30:17 -0400 Subject: RE: Rang III question and also I need help with clipping and disto= rtion problem. From: bennettwilliamsdrums@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com I have a Boomerang III and Side Car. I use it with my saxophone rig. I was = having problems with clipping but I solved them. The way I did this was thr= ough the use of a Radial JCR Re-Amp box=2C and an FMR Audio ARC compression= pedal. You have to remember that the Boomerang was designed to be the firs= t thing that a guitar plugs into before the signal goes to the amp=2C and e= lectric guitar signals are extremely weak and quiet. The Boomerang is desig= ned to handle instrument level signals. Well=2C with the saxophone I am goi= ng through a mic preamp that has a line level (+4dB) output=2C and that's f= ar too hot for the Boomerang=2C and it was clipping all over the place. The= device that is needed to bring line level signals down to instrument level= is a Re-Amp box. Go to the Radial Engineering website and look up the JCR = ReAmp. That's the point of entry on my pedalboard for signal. So=2C now eve= rything is down to instrument level=2C but I still want to control the dyna= mics so I go through the FMR Audio ARC compression pedal. It's a very music= al sounding compression pedal=2C and it does a great job of smoothing thing= s out. So=2C now I can use more gain on the Boomerang and use all of the di= gital headroom in it for the best audio quality. At the end of my signal pa= th on the pedalboard is a Radial JDI Duplex direct box that goes to a stere= o mic pre (Langevin Dual Vocal Combo) =2C and I am back up to line levels= =2C it's either to the PA or recording. Works great. Sounds great. On Jun 21=2C 2012 9:30 AM=2C "Sergio G" wrote: = --_cd780f66-5494-4b7c-bdf9-cb1b2b4ee39c_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If you treat the 'rang as if it were a guitar pedal=2C you'll be fine. Be g= entle with it and it will be fine... =3B-)

peace

g

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

=
From: si= mpliflying@gmail.com
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:= RE: Rang III question and also I need help with clipping and distortion pr= oblem.
Date: Thu=2C 21 Jun 2012 18:37:37 +0000

Hello Bennet=2C

thanks for the tipps=2C sounds interesti= ng=2C but=2C are you saying then that I cannot connect all the instrument t= o a mixer and then the mixer to the Rang without another gear which transfo= rm the mixer line signal in instrument level signal?
It would hav= e been nice to know that before :(
That's strange anyway=2C I've = seen the rc-300 and rc-50 used with a mixer. And they=2C I am checking=2C h= ave apparently also only instrument input.
Mumble.
I us= e it more with the voice (generally effected voice for a futuristica techno= beatboxing) and some other things like percussions (through same mic) and = synth.
All connected to the mixer.
So I need something = to bring all to instrument level?
And then why do I still need a = compressor/limiter?
I may probably be very ingenuely wrong but I = thought the compressor limiter was to avoid peaks and saturated distorted s= ound (which is something I also need especially when I beatbox and especial= ly when I do the bass beatbox. WHat do I need to solve this?).
Anyway your lineup sounds so complicated to me. I hoped I coul= d have just used all through a mixer=2C the mixer to the rang=2C the rang t= o the speakers or amp or other mixer.
Then I was thinking about s= omething to avoid peaks/saturation/distorsion=2C eventually a denoiser to a= void having to reduce too much the highs.
But all those things yo= u have are a mistery to me.
:)
Date: Thu=2C 21 Jun 2012 1= 0:30:17 -0400
Subject: RE: Rang III question and also I need help with c= lipping and distortion problem.
From: bennettwilliamsdrums@gmail.com
= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

I have a Boomerang III and S= ide Car. I use it with my saxophone rig. I was having problems with clippin= g but I solved them. The way I did this was through the use of a Radial JCR= Re-Amp box=2C and an FMR Audio ARC compression pedal. You have to remember= that the Boomerang was designed to be the first thing that a guitar plugs = into before the signal goes to the amp=2C and electric guitar signals are e= xtremely weak and quiet. The Boomerang is designed to handle instrument lev= el signals. Well=2C with the saxophone I am going through a mic preamp that= has a line level (+4dB) output=2C and that's far too hot for the Boomerang= =2C and it was clipping all over the place. The device that is needed to br= ing line level signals down to instrument level is a Re-Amp box. Go to the = Radial Engineering website and look up the JCR ReAmp. That's the point of e= ntry on my pedalboard for signal. So=2C now everything is down to instrumen= t level=2C but I still want to control the dynamics so I go through the FMR= Audio ARC compression pedal. It's a very musical sounding compression peda= l=2C and it does a great job of smoothing things out. So=2C now I can use m= ore gain on the Boomerang and use all of the digital headroom in it for the= best audio quality. At the end of my signal path on the pedalboard is a Ra= dial JDI Duplex direct box that goes to a stereo mic pre (Langevin Dual Voc= al Combo) =2C and I am back up to line levels=2C it's either to the PA or r= ecording. Works great. Sounds great.
On Jun 21=2C 2012 9:30 AM=2C "Sergio G" <= =3Bsimpliflying@gmail.com>= =3B wrote:
<= /div> = --_cd780f66-5494-4b7c-bdf9-cb1b2b4ee39c_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 21:18:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2472B183461; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:18:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=MUhSTTQFm5++oTRhogbYLPrXJ7n0H6D3hVAjj/pSSFzmoC6ha8EEwu11Z7Zu7CTI; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <9287561.1340313523993.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:18:43 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Grant Reply-To: Grant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Rang III question and also I need help with clipping and distortion problem. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: 4627597e215714c3ca853a8129e90869f402879cecb40bd538d8eab4e717fda012b1de009c5d6ef121abace970c5b53e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.32 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:18:44 +0000 (UTC)

I'm thinking if you just turn down the output levels of the mixer, set the Rang's loop levels to 7 (unity) and then turn up the power amp you should be fine.

 

G
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Anyway your lineup sounds so complicated to me. I hoped I could have just used all through a mixer, the mixer to the rang, the rang to the speakers or amp or other mixer.
 
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 21:19:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F893183462; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:19:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: ,<8CF1DCEFCC53561-1518-F0C@webmail-stg-d13.sysops.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rang III question and also I need help with clipping and distortion problem. In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CF1E0AB39BD9E2_E40_F4DE_webmail-stg-m04.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36478-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CF1E0AB39BD9E2-E40-3869@webmail-stg-m04.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [151.201.55.217] Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:19:39 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1340313580; bh=02XDU/iVzLZfQChGE4bJb7R9L/3mGSuURZeEqRd5vj8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hb+EdLqVbYR4ip6BKMQcIebADG+oatPpqzafi+XCyJqHXCfGBdVYjc6PfoCxGe+L+ gGAH3lbyQ4a4aQ1poLmoL1Q/7zDSatna2Z5k+ai+iCnIVzTb/ng2C73/0+pqzavXsE PHWE6rDMjWbbgTMxQxkcnbPWaKpITQuwFDMtYAvM= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:376459040:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b4fe38feb5fa5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:19:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CF1E0AB39BD9E2_E40_F4DE_webmail-stg-m04.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" But what would happen if in some moment I need to connect/disconnet a cable= and I do not turn it off before? sergio.....that i do not know, sorry! =09=09 =09 =09=09 =20 =09=09 =09 =09=09 =20 =20 =09=09 =09 =09=09 =20 =20 ----------MB_8CF1E0AB39BD9E2_E40_F4DE_webmail-stg-m04.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
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From: Bennett Williams To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba1efc16c3459204c3043796 Resent-Message-ID: <6imSa.A.0AE.mP74PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 23:53:11 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba1efc16c3459204c3043796 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > thanks for the tipps, sounds interesting, but, are you saying then that I cannot connect all the instrument to a mixer and then the mixer to the Rang without another gear which transform the mixer line signal in instrument level signal? That's right. Most mixers are balanced line level output at +4dB. Take that output and put it through a Re-Amp box. The box itself is small, and the JCR Re-Amp is totally passive, so you don't need power. > It would have been nice to know that before :( > That's strange anyway, I've seen the rc-300 and rc-50 used with a mixer. And they, I am checking, have apparently also only instrument input. > Mumble. That does not mean that it was correct. There are alot of people who will change from instrument level to line level in their signal chain, and not think about it. Then they wonder why they have noise, hum, buzz, and why some devices clip and others are too quiet. > I use it more with the voice (generally effected voice for a futuristica techno beatboxing) and some other things like percussions (through same mic) and synth. > All connected to the mixer. > So I need something to bring all to instrument level? You have to start thinking about signal path. The sound starts somewhere, and ends up being heard. So, where does it go on its way from source to the speakers? What level is it at each point? What level does the device require at it's point in your signal path? > And then why do I still need a compressor/limiter? > I may probably be very ingenuely wrong but I thought the compressor limiter was to avoid peaks and saturated distorted sound (which is something I also need especially when I beatbox and especially when I do the bass beatbox. WHat do I need to solve this?). > I use compression just to be sure that any peaks hit a threshold and do not clip the Boomerang. Anytime you use a digital device, using a compressor or a limiter before the sound is digitized, is a good way to make sure that you do not get digital clipping, which sounds horrible. > Anyway your lineup sounds so complicated to me. I hoped I could have just used all through a mixer, the mixer to the rang, the rang to the speakers or amp or other mixer. > Then I was thinking about something to avoid peaks/saturation/distorsion, eventually a denoiser to avoid having to reduce too much the highs. > But all those things you have are a mistery to me. It is not complicated at all. It sounds like it is, but from a signal path prospective, it makes sense. Think of line level as driving on the interstate. The speed limit is fast, and everyone is going the same speed. Now, you see an exit that says "Boomerang". You slow down to instrument level, and drive on the surface streets at slow speed. After you are through with the Boomerang, you decide to get back on the interstate, and you speed back up again to line level. Most of the time, devices will say "Line" on their outputs or inputs. If not, get out the manual and see what it says. Just start thinking about the direction and level of your signal path. It is confusing at first, but the more you do it, the easier it gets, I assure you. There is good pro audio advice at gearslutz.com and electrical.com (that's Steve Albini's studio) get into the forums there and you can learn alot about levels and signal path. > :) > ________________________________ > Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:30:17 -0400 > Subject: RE: Rang III question and also I need help with clipping and distortion problem. > From: bennettwilliamsdrums@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > I have a Boomerang III and Side Car. I use it with my saxophone rig. I was having problems with clipping but I solved them. The way I did this was through the use of a Radial JCR Re-Amp box, and an FMR Audio ARC compression pedal. You have to remember that the Boomerang was designed to be the first thing that a guitar plugs into before the signal goes to the amp, and electric guitar signals are extremely weak and quiet. The Boomerang is designed to handle instrument level signals. Well, with the saxophone I am going through a mic preamp that has a line level (+4dB) output, and that's far too hot for the Boomerang, and it was clipping all over the place. The device that is needed to bring line level signals down to instrument level is a Re-Amp box. Go to the Radial Engineering website and look up the JCR ReAmp. That's the point of entry on my pedalboard for signal. So, now everything is down to instrument level, but I still want to control the dynamics so I go through the FMR Audio ARC compression pedal. It's a very musical sounding compression pedal, and it does a great job of smoothing things out. So, now I can use more gain on the Boomerang and use all of the digital headroom in it for the best audio quality. At the end of my signal path on the pedalboard is a Radial JDI Duplex direct box that goes to a stereo mic pre (Langevin Dual Vocal Combo) , and I am back up to line levels, it's either to the PA or recording. Works great. Sounds great. > On Jun 21, 2012 9:30 AM, "Sergio G" wrote: --90e6ba1efc16c3459204c3043796 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


> thanks for the tipps, sounds interesting, but, are you saying then tha= t I cannot connect all the instrument to a mixer and then the mixer to the = Rang without another gear which transform the mixer line signal in instrume= nt level signal?

That's right. Most mixers are balanced line level output at +4dB. Ta= ke that output and put it through a Re-Amp box. The box itself is small, an= d the JCR Re-Amp is totally passive, so you don't need power.

> It would have been nice to know that before :(
> That's strange anyway, I've seen the rc-300 and rc-50 used wit= h a mixer. And they, I am checking, have apparently also only instrument in= put.
> Mumble.

That does not mean that it was correct. There are alot of people who wil= l change from instrument level to line level in their signal chain, and not= think about it. Then they wonder why they have noise, hum, buzz, and why s= ome devices clip and others are too quiet.

> I use it more with the voice (generally effected voice for a futuri= stica techno beatboxing) and some other things like percussions (through sa= me mic) and synth.
> All connected to the mixer.
> So I need something to bring all to instrument level?

You have to start thinking about signal path. The sound starts somewhere= , and ends up being heard. So, where does it go on its way from source to t= he speakers? What level is it at each point? What level does the device req= uire at it's point in your signal path?

> And then why do I still need a compressor/limiter?
> I may probably be very ingenuely wrong but I thought the compressor li= miter was to avoid peaks and saturated distorted sound (which is something = I also need especially when I beatbox and especially when I do the bass bea= tbox. WHat do I need to solve this?).
>
I use compression just to be sure that any peaks hit a threshold and do not= clip the Boomerang. Anytime you use a digital device, using a compressor o= r a limiter before the sound is digitized, is a good way to make sure that = you do not get digital clipping, which sounds horrible.

> Anyway your lineup sounds so complicated to me. I hoped I could hav= e just used all through a mixer, the mixer to the rang, the rang to the spe= akers or amp or other mixer.
> Then I was thinking about something to avoid peaks/saturation/distorsi= on, eventually a denoiser to avoid having to reduce too much the highs.
> But all those things you have are a mistery to me.

It is not complicated at all. It sounds like it is, but from a signal pa= th prospective, it makes sense. Think of line level as driving on the inter= state. The speed limit is fast, and everyone is going the same speed. Now, = you see an exit that says "Boomerang". You slow down to instrumen= t level, and drive on the surface streets at slow speed. After you are thro= ugh with the Boomerang, you decide to get back on the interstate, and you s= peed back up again to line level.

Most of the time, devices will say "Line" on their outputs or = inputs. If not, get out the manual and see what it says. Just start thinkin= g about the direction and level of your signal path. It is confusing at fir= st, but the more you do it, the easier it gets, I assure you.

There is good pro audio advice at gears= lutz.com and electrical.com (that= 's Steve Albini's studio) get into the forums there and you can lea= rn alot about levels and signal path.
> :)
> ________________________________
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:30:17 -0400
> Subject: RE: Rang III question and also I need help with clipping and = distortion problem.
> From: bennettwilliam= sdrums@gmail.com
> To: Loopers-Del= ight@loopers-delight.com
>
>
> I have a Boomerang III and Side Car. I use it with my saxophone rig. I= was having problems with clipping but I solved them. The way I did this wa= s through the use of a Radial JCR Re-Amp box, and an FMR Audio ARC compress= ion pedal. You have to remember that the Boomerang was designed to be the f= irst thing that a guitar plugs into before the signal goes to the amp, and = electric guitar signals are extremely weak and quiet. The Boomerang is desi= gned to handle instrument level signals. Well, with the saxophone I am goin= g through a mic preamp that has a line level (+4dB) output, and that's = far too hot for the Boomerang, and it was clipping all over the place. The = device that is needed to bring line level signals down to instrument level = is a Re-Amp box. Go to the Radial Engineering website and look up the JCR R= eAmp. That's the point of entry on my pedalboard for signal. So, now ev= erything is down to instrument level, but I still want to control the dynam= ics so I go through the FMR Audio ARC compression pedal. It's a very mu= sical sounding compression pedal, and it does a great job of smoothing thin= gs out. So, now I can use more gain on the Boomerang and use all of the dig= ital headroom in it for the best audio quality. At the end of my signal pat= h on the pedalboard is a Radial JDI Duplex direct box that goes to a stereo= mic pre (Langevin Dual Vocal Combo) , and I am back up to line levels, it&= #39;s either to the PA or recording. Works great. Sounds great.
> On Jun 21, 2012 9:30 AM, "Sergio G" <simpliflying@gmail.com> wrote:

--90e6ba1efc16c3459204c3043796-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 02:18:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14021183462; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 02:18:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0298767569==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120622021833.20644.37669.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:18:35 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Funny little instrumental looping piece: for former or current Windows 98 / XP users Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 02:18:19 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0298767569== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello!=20Have=20any=20of=20you=20ever=20used=20Windows=20XP=20and/or=20Wind= ows=2098?=20Did=20you=20enjoy=20the=20sounds=20 it=20made?=20When=20it=20booted=20up,=20when=20you=20clicked=20a=20link,=20= when=20you=20checked=20your=20email=20and=20at=20least=20one=20new=20 message=20came=20in?=20Didn't=20you=20hate=20that=20BONK=20sound=20it=20mad= e=20when=20there=20was=20an=20error?=20Well,=20there=20 is=20a=20loop-based=20remix=20of=20all=20those=20sounds=20on=20Youtube.=20I= =20don't=20know=20who=20made=20it,=20but=20it=20was=20 posted=20by=20Youtube=20user=20Something=20Unreal,=20and=20I'm=20guessing= =20they=20did=20it.=20So,=20here=20is=20the=20Windows=20 98/xp=20sound=20remix:=20includes=20log-on,=20error,=20email,=20click,=20an= d=20many=20more=20sounds=20you=20know=20from=20the=20 old=20Microsoft=20days. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DdsU3B0W3TMs Tyler=20Z --===============0298767569==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 04:48:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01E19183460; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 04:48:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=P2GvH+0Pijt5RZs9ly2+oSq2/UbZa6TmWkFc9DjcrMyZmYh8vwkhW0D9pDxGNQPy; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <9492349.1340340527847.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 23:48:47 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Grant Reply-To: Grant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rang III question and also I need help with clipping and distortion problem. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: 4627597e215714c3ca853a8129e90869f402879cecb40bd538d8eab4e717fda001dc32d0028f086028d51bf814c3dc43350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.26 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 04:48:48 +0000 (UTC)

I think this is not a problem. Once the Rang has booted and set the audio routing you can unplug all cables and put them back in again without anything changing as long as you plug them in to the same places they were before. Try it and see?

 

G
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From: michael klobuchar
Sent: Jun 21, 2012 4:19 PM
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Subject: Re: Rang III question and also I need help with clipping and distortion problem.


But what would happen if in some moment I need to connect/disconnet a cable and I do not turn it off before?

sergio.....that i do not know, sorry!


From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 05:21:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DAAB183461; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 05:21:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [86.153.221.83] X-Originating-Email: [buddhamachine@live.co.uk] Message-ID: Subject: Re: Rang III question and also I need help with clipping and distortion problem. References: <8CF1DCEFCC53561-1518-F0C@webmail-stg-d13.sysops.aol.com> <8CF1E0AB39BD9E2-E40-3869@webmail-stg-m04.sysops.aol.com> From: Gareth Whittock Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail-1--889481157" In-Reply-To: <8CF1E0AB39BD9E2-E40-3869@webmail-stg-m04.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 06:20:53 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8C148) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2012 05:21:02.0688 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0E72E00:01CD5036] Resent-Message-ID: <8KW8EB.A.aLG._CA5PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 05:21:04 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--889481157 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I found that if you power up the rang before connecting it to something,it d= oesnt work. Weird but it mentions this in the manual. As I said tho. The sou= nd quality is excellent for me. I go straight out of a line6 hd500 into the r= ang.. G Sent from my iPhone On 21 Jun 2012, at 22:19, michael klobuchar wrote: >=20 > But what would happen if in some moment I need to connect/disconnet a cabl= e and I do not turn it off before? >=20 > sergio.....that i do not know, sorry! >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-1--889481157 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
I found that if you power up the rang before connecting it to something,it doesnt work. Weird but it mentions this in the manual. As I said tho. The sound quality is excellent for me. I go straight out of a line6 hd500 into the rang..
G
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On 21 Jun 2012, at 22:19, michael klobuchar <nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:


But what would happen if in some moment I need to connect/disconnet a cable and I do not turn it off before?

sergio.....that i do not know, sorry!


--Apple-Mail-1--889481157-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 07:06:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68697183460; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:06:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Ts+/OUqvYS85sBjat55zvRTT0iqYPrWKqW9aaQqxQ9c=; b=F7aC4OmbtJYu4uPnx5qIiBJsrZNaKwcV1vzeFYKNW1fso24eOeEqvuljtpKIuvfjln 74es3HDqQXT1AhbDFHREv1Q7KOkEjjRDyPnoA8uLST10dgwS8gCcAuKbM29edFSXa6dY X/QXV+5dHv7RuMykmkgopdAkje81PFZYtJYV3RCwIN4pj+YyVE2MmFrTAKEtncEomLZm zEQlu5BRgf039S84YlQMTEVY/BEpgJrlnKd6OSQ8N9uyQdPhgW55qbe6zqIRl0CE4agT 4kyZel6TuvNiUfPTTgltuaTvOtvkk/dQelUoteJYSkq3rBoLQMolqsoflnTdeuGnm1Oy KAVw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20120619154436.4336.92240.levelstar.mail@everest> <4FE23DC6.4060005@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:06:53 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: any interest in a Looper's Delight online radio station? From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <4B97AB.A.p_G.PmB5PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:06:55 +0000 (UTC) I have shared here links to Joey Baron's manual repetitions (drumming), and I'm proud of it. Thought this community is about interesting music, not defining which is which or what is what. Peace and love and all that shit, greetings from the Midnight sun / Finland -Petri- 2012/6/21, michael noble : > Hi Andy, > > Sure, I wasn't making any claims for what LD as a whole should or shouldn't > be focused on, especially the list, which I think should be as free and > open in its discussions as it has ever been. > > Simply wanted to say that I felt Tyler's definition extremely broad, and in > response to his question, I wouldn't tune in to a radio station with a such > a broad definition unless it had more delimited categories such that I > could know what to expect (to a degree). > > cheers > Michael > > On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 6:16 AM, andy butler > wrote: > >> >> michael noble wrote: >> >>> Hi Tyler, >>> >>> If you search the archives this has been rehashed many times, >>> >> >> hi Michael, >> >> check out the first page of the Loopers Delight site >> >> "Looper's Delight is a cultural and informational resource for musicians >> creating with audio loops of every sort. Loop based music essentially >> involves the repetition of audio samples, or loops." >> >> >> >> andy >> >> > -- Petri From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 07:26:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D4A418345D; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:26:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=eCpxBRlkjmz6X3ZPD+yu/tN+/3bdkFMScZI0/MqSpvY=; b=rR/vLg/oQtI68H7xdpfu7GyRssSAu5E9Gekl6tb8RfDziRgUDrDMmH4Wrnry/adWys sMb885rS/VqwWBcF18T0vzrk/KI6UQ8HBi0Dx4Ro2q0+2BRkS+0nvmYOm7zXw2bA0WaG b+kMLFnAQYqPYuALvWTmj6kgj/TEkh9JDedJycIRRihWXTGi2RDvrcZiEAtKBMLJoy2S 7AMdx5O8AO8vxik5W29Fb71l3lxpmgvjpwpjyiXFW1jdjs7oI1ws8kAIjeRnyYYveD2C kTrxcstEpLSGtbl6G+rg9xCxeNfrKu3nTzd6durb9NhT/JEBhUoKsv7mSZQCJrHvri06 nBVg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20120619112212.E2E7F980.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:26:49 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Werkbench: sequencer/looper for ipad From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:26:50 +0000 (UTC) Kai's Power Tools FTW :-D 2012/6/19, mark francombe : > Seems cool, Ill prob get this and give it a go.. interested in this midi > thing... seems like new fangled idea... wonder whether it works? > > ...but what about the Gui GFX? Is Kai Kreuse making a come-back? > > > Excellent, glass glowing balls in fractal mud as gui design again! hurrah! > > > > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Ben wrote: > >> Heloo, >> >> I just wanted to share this video. >> Not *really* live audio looping but I find it cool anyway. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aeY40bVfv0 >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pg1EIkCbVc >> >> Ben >> >> > > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > -- Petri From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 07:27:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D0F9183463; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:27:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=q2NogwPS93iEOjVX/iqfxerdIvbhkI/F6oV21zWI2Ao=; b=SR6soVNTd7l5TBme73O93Y0NSoiV0zhqPkYBgDPwTWn8OwkuWzMP5aYnGdvTkZNLBp Thq4SgMqvf+Xc5G+omXUHZY3LFdGnPpKs2W7aTNpH7G+CrA0FsLiYS8ERW6YTzYupFZr zvFj9DBS3k33utIkJBIj+wJvsfFjGuA6l6W1JhWZPKrT+EFQyYJ2rDV2RzrKSKPi6DD4 g6JJ4hUPkdyjWxc9nIlNf5ixsLIhtaBF5tXVIh0wSINOfjqcAAKbzZBnEp4yDzNw42Zp 8sivRgB0Yj1wNLdIZKZyzDBu/tUa/s8adiNu3FAADJ82M3GDQD4PP/6nlK+6+scib8iD 7nag== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8CF1C4649DDD299-E78-638A@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF1B77FA0B5411-153C-2C8@webmail-stg-m02.sysops.aol.com> <4FDF7B9B.3040000@tiscali.co.uk> <8CF1C4649DDD299-E78-638A@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:27:57 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: hacked From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:27:59 +0000 (UTC) I cant believe in any of the posters identities anymore. not even with the ultimate captcha-feet-test. 2012/6/19, michael klobuchar : > look at my feet! > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: andy butler > To: Loopers-Delight > Sent: Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:03 pm > Subject: Re: hacked > > > how do we know this is really from you? > > michael klobuchar wrote: >> sorry of you received mail from me.....my account was hacked >> >> >> > > > > -- Petri From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 07:29:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF8DB183465; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:29:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=PzQPrpThkOyWqrfcB2ZLVBrCbuFJKCxgmACVxFCmtDY=; b=xp9pAM1tNILNzzocEZC0PxCGwy4D88uv1Ht+A/5hXPZIGr3+FSjCSn4Nci8Rzg7LKS b6bq3PeZdcpCfWvSNSj1ay+hfVRR5fVBro7rnHnJAWHN0MkzdsJBYINlbw+FUb6hZM2T ys3ilYwm3+FVzJ3qD6K8W5E6rw/7zT094OxudJ8ykr236zBsUukkZ8U+NZhWl5RonhGt o4k6lQtX+r5izS5MRxXHsUWG4mccn8lLeVIuWPlTsK/4x35waG41gyoTXNt1RkQqJ3/i kUEJnppUyYlLmIqFHA4Eqwx0p8e2O8zjtUqaKRT80M3LYPbGwjPmXWgIYzFO6QhlqLLS tirw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9B7ED51F0383431DA2FECEA3DD73C4EB@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <9B7ED51F0383431DA2FECEA3DD73C4EB@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:29:25 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MiniMoog Virtual Instrument From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <8ERVuB.A.sYH.W7B5PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:29:26 +0000 (UTC) And look what happened - server meltdown, been waiting for my dl -link for 24 hours soon... :-) Arturia was caught pants-down probably with this, the interest in the this fine product was so immense... :-) 2012/6/20, Kris Hartung : > Just over 12 hours until availability! > http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/products/minimoogv/minimoogv-original.html > > -- Petri From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 10:10:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1068183460; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:10:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=gA0UTbjs0Z8BJzCFXw9wTI8aUx6Ge4FsH8BIcmkasCs=; b=BdziCme2D+v2wrrOyXJyprg7eggjQQbrtZSFrtYRupsCfivdBJYEABK0XzFjKatTPV OB0Ayo0k8YkWzPd0CzsOZel5l2yZuc/5GLSvDRVJGmBE6ugGd/uQ7rbeiTFXxPcghNuY jeRRhOOlayL/nZod4ngco7UfAIHAwXhZceJBvz5a6kB8GUwtPm4PeuLz8G5TBTwMLBGY XIkNVeFobiyiUc3e4kaZHTbmIm0xHYjTUuWseUsnoYNlklMvN8NRxtX1GZxcaTX6fTkS exfPrfDmG4GYMYHy7MlvOhyssPoQzIP7q2pUNK2619WNCZprS6+N4TjbCAHyK26xm87V uH1g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <9B7ED51F0383431DA2FECEA3DD73C4EB@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:10:40 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MiniMoog Virtual Instrument From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <9E-0kB.A.3h.hSE5PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:10:41 +0000 (UTC) There was a Facebook page too where you could sign up. I did so, because I have been using a test version of this plugin long ago and liked it very much. Especially useful to me since this synth has a built-in arpeggiator and I prefer that rather than setting up a separate arp module (because the arp settings get saved with the instrument patch). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > And look what happened - server meltdown, > been waiting for my dl -link for 24 hours soon... :-) > Arturia was caught pants-down probably with this, > the interest in the this fine product was so immense... :-) > > 2012/6/20, Kris Hartung : >> Just over 12 hours until availability! >> http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/products/minimoogv/minimoogv-original.html >> >> > > > -- > Petri > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 10:20:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EF50183461; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:20:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=AsODWHvJ6OtKDZTV0HIq0HnaGWl0PalyhXzOFO/8NbM=; b=ocyUOkBkqVY2e4l91S/ktpkmvOIFmUc5OvZWakwxoeO5AqRib35b2AcGX4QP0sx4fl oG1x3Vin8zVKVWR/xfY32CZMkrsA1JN56Tq29blaO6zHUPKOjxdW9G/j9CM/gJpOuUxs Rky8YPg71xW8ZUEpRhzf41yHrSqzW+lVYFT1MekovC0qaOjiBJUMRQzx10CO3m18vC0E tJnDEg93/mn6/kqNmfSxqOahWHLV85xtnkX9ooDOupksQ5MpdmdtyLCShlWIKAt6Bh4y TaXCUt0xh2uU6qM3aNPvGjZskCCTx8jw9rpe9awAKugF3QPK0Wgfi+Kv7Y7ytqwKc2jK tMzA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120622021833.20644.37669.levelstar.mail@everest> References: <20120622021833.20644.37669.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:20:17 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Funny little instrumental looping piece: for former or current Windows 98 / XP users From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:20:18 +0000 (UTC) Fun! I was wondering what tracker that was, the info was at the end: ModPlug Tracker. I never got into tracking but admired some mod musc that circulated during the nineties. The mod format was perfect for sharing one's work! Mod music was indeed related to looping. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 4:18 AM, Tyler wrote: > Hello! Have any of you ever used Windows XP and/or Windows 98? Did you enjoy the sounds > it made? When it booted up, when you clicked a link, when you checked your email and at least one new > message came in? Didn't you hate that BONK sound it made when there was an error? Well, there > is a loop-based remix of all those sounds on Youtube. I don't know who made it, but it was > posted by Youtube user Something Unreal, and I'm guessing they did it. So, here is the Windows > 98/xp sound remix: includes log-on, error, email, click, and many more sounds you know from the > old Microsoft days. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsU3B0W3TMs > Tyler Z > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 10:28:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 563EE183464; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:28:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0298767569==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120622102846.30198.37669.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 06:28:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: Funny little instrumental looping piece: for former or current Windows 98 / XP users Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:28:28 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0298767569== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=20have=20no=20idea=20what=20this=20tracking=20stuff=20is;=20I'm=20blind,= =20so=20I=20only=20heard=20the=20music.=20Is=20there=20something=20 visual=20I=20need=20to=20understand=20in=20this=20video? Tyler=20Z On=20Fri,=2022=20Jun=202012=2012:20:17=20+0200,=20Per=20Boysen=20wrote: >Fun!=20I=20was=20wondering=20what=20tracker=20that=20was,=20the=20info=20w= as=20at=20the=20end: >ModPlug=20Tracker.=20I=20never=20got=20into=20tracking=20but=20admired=20s= ome=20mod=20musc >that=20circulated=20during=20the=20nineties.=20The=20mod=20format=20was=20= perfect=20for >sharing=20one's=20work!=20Mod=20music=20was=20indeed=20related=20to=20loop= ing. > >Greetings=20from=20Sweden > >Per=20Boysen >www.perboysen.com >http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > >On=20Fri,=20Jun=2022,=202012=20at=204:18=20AM,=20Tyler=20=20wrote: >>Hello!=20Have=20any=20of=20you=20ever=20used=20Windows=20XP=20and/or=20Wi= ndows=2098?=20Did=20you=20enjoy=20 >>the=20sounds >>it=20made?=20When=20it=20booted=20up,=20when=20you=20clicked=20a=20link,= =20when=20you=20checked=20your=20 >>email=20and=20at=20least=20one=20new >>message=20came=20in?=20Didn't=20you=20hate=20that=20BONK=20sound=20it=20m= ade=20when=20there=20was=20an=20 >>error?=20Well,=20there >>is=20a=20loop-based=20remix=20of=20all=20those=20sounds=20on=20Youtube.= =20I=20don't=20know=20who=20made=20it,=20 >>but=20it=20was >>posted=20by=20Youtube=20user=20Something=20Unreal,=20and=20I'm=20guessing= =20they=20did=20it.=20So,=20here=20 >>is=20the=20Windows >>98/xp=20sound=20remix:=20includes=20log-on,=20error,=20email,=20click,=20= and=20many=20more=20sounds=20 >>you=20know=20from=20the >>old=20Microsoft=20days. >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DdsU3B0W3TMs >>Tyler=20Z >> --===============0298767569==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 10:47:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2965A183461; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:47:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=G9/7/N+wroZDOGOdmNXp6b/zwBbHbC6MiQpJAdGXY0E=; b=05uV9ijroG2ofz1ZW+E0Dh0Zv2w8M5sjxA6/q75y7TZ6lB0GxVCC5Nv8QNHQDMQWUN H6wiR71C4YO4X3dMgI1NNFDmQ/JL1xLMHZn1HbCCS+qskwqC8ldtOtxIbZ5OG18SsMpo py45TZec8scr5VgLm+BTikAEei0Jy0T/q527y4tWjfMQwhEOgzTs+AF3NdjX/4PXAkaB h4eZb4iWMBTrw2nuRYUwqq/WCSQWC5C/Yyh/AEdtmFgk3LxVWqQ4Z0zDKD48kO7nYGAS 4XCsFrxmAxJ/tjDqaUKJgNLqMKpq0VkCs3nB+ohMm4zAQsq9z9B3QZPQRJ4GlxWU4sBd Gi3g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120622102846.30198.37669.levelstar.mail@everest> References: <20120622102846.30198.37669.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:47:22 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Funny little instrumental looping piece: for former or current Windows 98 / XP users From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <89-ncD.A.__.60E5PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:47:23 +0000 (UTC) I don't think so. The filmed tracker screen just brought back these memories of the mod movement. "Mod" stands for "module" and on the early Amiga computers there was a sound chip that could manage three (?) sound channels simultaneously - great for programming music - but the cool community aspect was that the music playback data plus a sample could all be packed into a very small file, called "module", and shared online. So the mod file contained both the sounds and the composition, which was much better than MIDI because MIDI files did not contain the sound samples and thus could not guarantee the music sounded as intended when played back by the listener. This happened at the early web days when bandwidth was an issue :-) Regarding fun Windows nostalgia there is also this Windows RG (*Really Good* Edition): http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/winrg I was once made target for a very funny joke: a friend dropped the Windows RG flash file into my PC laptop's start-up objects folder. With the flash set to full screen mode it really felt like having a completely new and rubbish system when I booted up the laptop. PEr On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Tyler wrote: > I have no idea what this tracking stuff is; I'm blind, so I only heard the music. Is there something > visual I need to understand in this video? > Tyler Z > On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:20:17 +0200, Per Boysen wrote: > > >>Fun! I was wondering what tracker that was, the info was at the end: >>ModPlug Tracker. I never got into tracking but admired some mod musc >>that circulated during the nineties. The mod format was perfect for >>sharing one's work! Mod music was indeed related to looping. >> >>Greetings from Sweden >> >>Per Boysen >>www.perboysen.com >>http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >>On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 4:18 AM, Tyler wrote: >>>Hello! Have any of you ever used Windows XP and/or Windows 98? Did you enjoy >>>the sounds >>>it made? When it booted up, when you clicked a link, when you checked your >>>email and at least one new >>>message came in? Didn't you hate that BONK sound it made when there was an >>>error? Well, there >>>is a loop-based remix of all those sounds on Youtube. I don't know who made it, >>>but it was >>>posted by Youtube user Something Unreal, and I'm guessing they did it. So, here >>>is the Windows >>>98/xp sound remix: includes log-on, error, email, click, and many more sounds >>>you know from the >>>old Microsoft days. >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsU3B0W3TMs >>>Tyler Z >>> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 10:51:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D94AC183462; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:51:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0298767569==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120622105134.31019.37669.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 06:51:35 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: Funny little instrumental looping piece: for former or current Windows 98 / XP users Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:51:13 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0298767569== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well,=20it's=20nice=20to=20know=20that=20a=20person=20like=20you=20is=20lis= tening=20to=20this=20kind=20of=20music,=20Per!=20I'm=20a=20big=20fan=20 of=20yours,=20and=20I=20have=20that=20beta=20album=20that=20you're=20submit= ting=20for=20licensing.=20I'll=20be=20back=20with=20lots=20and=20lots=20 of=20lovely=20loopy=20links=20later!=20Some=20of=20which=20I=20will=20have= =20to=20upload. Tyler=20Z On=20Fri,=2022=20Jun=202012=2012:47:22=20+0200,=20Per=20Boysen=20wrote: >I=20don't=20think=20so.=20The=20filmed=20tracker=20screen=20just=20brought= =20back=20these >memories=20of=20the=20mod=20movement.=20"Mod"=20stands=20for=20"module"=20= and=20on=20the >early=20Amiga=20computers=20there=20was=20a=20sound=20chip=20that=20could= =20manage=20three >(?)=20sound=20channels=20simultaneously=20-=20great=20for=20programming=20= music=20-=20but >the=20cool=20community=20aspect=20was=20that=20the=20music=20playback=20da= ta=20plus=20a >sample=20could=20all=20be=20packed=20into=20a=20very=20small=20file,=20cal= led=20"module", >and=20shared=20online.=20So=20the=20mod=20file=20contained=20both=20the=20= sounds=20and=20the >composition,=20which=20was=20much=20better=20than=20MIDI=20because=20MIDI= =20files=20did >not=20contain=20the=20sound=20samples=20and=20thus=20could=20not=20guarant= ee=20the=20music >sounded=20as=20intended=20when=20played=20back=20by=20the=20listener.=20Th= is=20happened=20at >the=20early=20web=20days=20when=20bandwidth=20was=20an=20issue=20:-) > >Regarding=20fun=20Windows=20nostalgia=20there=20is=20also=20this=20Windows= =20RG=20(*Really >Good*=20Edition): >http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/winrg > >I=20was=20once=20made=20target=20for=20a=20very=20funny=20joke:=20a=20frie= nd=20dropped=20the >Windows=20RG=20flash=20file=20into=20my=20PC=20laptop's=20start-up=20objec= ts=20folder. >With=20the=20flash=20set=20to=20full=20screen=20mode=20it=20really=20felt= =20like=20having=20a >completely=20new=20and=20rubbish=20system=20when=20I=20booted=20up=20the= =20laptop. > >PEr > >On=20Fri,=20Jun=2022,=202012=20at=2012:28=20PM,=20Tyler=20=20wrote: >>I=20have=20no=20idea=20what=20this=20tracking=20stuff=20is;=20I'm=20blind= ,=20so=20I=20only=20heard=20the=20 >>music.=20Is=20there=20something >>visual=20I=20need=20to=20understand=20in=20this=20video? >>Tyler=20Z >>On=20Fri,=2022=20Jun=202012=2012:20:17=20+0200,=20Per=20Boysen=20wrote: >> >> >>>Fun!=20I=20was=20wondering=20what=20tracker=20that=20was,=20the=20info= =20was=20at=20the=20end: >>>ModPlug=20Tracker.=20I=20never=20got=20into=20tracking=20but=20admired= =20some=20mod=20musc >>>that=20circulated=20during=20the=20nineties.=20The=20mod=20format=20was= =20perfect=20for >>>sharing=20one's=20work!=20Mod=20music=20was=20indeed=20related=20to=20lo= oping. >>> >>>Greetings=20from=20Sweden >>> >>>Per=20Boysen >>>www.perboysen.com >>>http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>> >>> >>>On=20Fri,=20Jun=2022,=202012=20at=204:18=20AM,=20Tyler=20=20wrote: >>>>Hello!=20Have=20any=20of=20you=20ever=20used=20Windows=20XP=20and/or=20= Windows=2098?=20Did=20you=20enjoy >>>>the=20sounds >>>>it=20made?=20When=20it=20booted=20up,=20when=20you=20clicked=20a=20link= ,=20when=20you=20checked=20your >>>>email=20and=20at=20least=20one=20new >>>>message=20came=20in?=20Didn't=20you=20hate=20that=20BONK=20sound=20it= =20made=20when=20there=20was=20an >>>>error?=20Well,=20there >>>>is=20a=20loop-based=20remix=20of=20all=20those=20sounds=20on=20Youtube.= =20I=20don't=20know=20who=20made=20it, >>>>but=20it=20was >>>>posted=20by=20Youtube=20user=20Something=20Unreal,=20and=20I'm=20guessi= ng=20they=20did=20it.=20So,=20here >>>>is=20the=20Windows >>>>98/xp=20sound=20remix:=20includes=20log-on,=20error,=20email,=20click,= =20and=20many=20more=20sounds >>>>you=20know=20from=20the >>>>old=20Microsoft=20days. >>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DdsU3B0W3TMs >>>>Tyler=20Z >>>> >> --===============0298767569==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 11:01:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5C60183463; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:01:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:00:59 +0100 From: Philip Conway To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MiniMoog Virtual Instrument Message-ID: <5BD8ED53A9693164076BFD11@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <9B7ED51F0383431DA2FECEA3DD73C4EB@americas.hpqcorp.net> Originator-Info: login-token=Mulberry:01lqhXnAYLj86U250F1wsMvArV1sb/xAbVyg7X178EzAnWuP+PHsg=; token_authority=mailto:postmaster@bristol.ac.uk X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:01:01 +0000 (UTC) I took the facebook route too. It may be the first time I've ever 'liked' something on there! Hoping to get the email soon. They make nice software. --On 22 June 2012 12:10 +0200 Per Boysen wrote: > There was a Facebook page too where you could sign up. I did so, > because I have been using a test version of this plugin long ago and > liked it very much. Especially useful to me since this synth has a > built-in arpeggiator and I prefer that rather than setting up a > separate arp module (because the arp settings get saved with the > instrument patch). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Petri Lahtinen > wrote: >> And look what happened - server meltdown, >> been waiting for my dl -link for 24 hours soon... :-) >> Arturia was caught pants-down probably with this, >> the interest in the this fine product was so immense... :-) >> >> 2012/6/20, Kris Hartung : >>> Just over 12 hours until availability! >>> http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/products/minimoogv/minimoogv-origin >>> al.html >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Petri >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 11:24:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BA6918345B; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:24:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=2aOmtf9B4yUReWSckn7lhurA39V8zNOo89dCPm+uWfA=; b=NHFdoS+EJNi/hPj3iINwYKweuVvh81Hw485olIa/GSON6NlihVwiNUqdtN15CLEbD7 rI1hE2mwYzYpoSAHzdORlj60jElcDG1qtE/HvSLzllI+gaqhg1LtODAvUtpwSUooZRJo 4Z4uT9giZ9WKTC03W/24kgKAYTJ8XN2CnVagHkqzvaDYYefLaGjdUdZgg+Od4KvJqH6X rH33XOZvsl7B+2cJ9n7p1Nu3Kh8vpQPSx8GcoWmqexIw4PzTw947WYG+P53zIUzi8fDX YnfNsEhXo/PB1gvQOmFbK2+CpilzWKN9AtRKfL6/gZJGoNkxNuNhFfr0h/1PtCrEXAWL vCvg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <20120622105134.31019.37669.levelstar.mail@everest> From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:24:31 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: VnQ_MQpInbyeXG0KfMkChHz90qg Message-ID: Subject: Re: Funny little instrumental looping piece: for former or current Windows 98 / XP users To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba61548e7a912d04c30de126 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:24:52 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba61548e7a912d04c30de126 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 1:24 PM, mark francombe wro= te: > In the 80=B4s (and 90=B4s.. I still have it) I had an Amiga and I used an > EXCELLENT program called Octotrack. it wasa tracker program (ran > vertically) and had 2 sound chip channels, 2 sample based (8 bit) channel= s > and as many midi channels as you wanted. For years all my music was done = on > this set-up, the midi instrument being an Akai S1000... This music still > sounds great. The program was quite geeky, but also relatively intuitive. > Fantastic! --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --90e6ba61548e7a912d04c30de126 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 1:24 PM, mark fr= ancombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
In the 80=B4s (and 90=B4s.. I still have it) I had an Amiga and I used an E= XCELLENT program called Octotrack. it wasa tracker program (ran vertically)= and had 2 sound chip channels, 2 sample based (8 bit) channels and as many= midi channels as you wanted. For years all my music was done on this set-u= p, the midi instrument being an Akai S1000... This music still sounds great= . The program was quite geeky, but also relatively intuitive. Fantastic!



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--90e6ba61548e7a912d04c30de126-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 11:57:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A58D8183461; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:57:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8FneW5u3Q7m1v59kedkrrVTop3dj4UpnE4uDlCdYaYw=; b=kpBKEePVhfsygbHHmBm1P6VNbzu8K8h2kjgEHXGYPDXOOAdnIziypLprM6GQ1+13WN LriKRZTzueefg3bFNi+1VzIgov6/3Co+1/JSTZwNLf6NhTERjl3vs3FKQS+gyaaAUVX2 IcvmrgaluyNQgFkTtK61XXIiNa579ucpoLWqr8CZ9lxLlYBfDGvefT6PWzi5DoS4T1Sa pV39r+GR0Cj/c8Qg9XHBMX+VqRXNupgYllonRgKd0WU3V/UXys0lcDRD8ASFJqJj8Xbd OIForCCEokJkfTIH8ET6WFiEOdlWslFptUgVG8vYflKDZSsX+RKym4wYev7V/pP+A/Uh cy7g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20120622105134.31019.37669.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:57:31 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Funny little instrumental looping piece: for former or current Windows 98 / XP users From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:57:32 +0000 (UTC) Today Renoise seems to capture the spirit of the tracker's work-flow: http://www.renoise.com/ That page has a good "Brief Introduction..." video too. (for those interested that missed the tracking scene) Per > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 1:24 PM, mark francombe > wrote: >> >> In the 80=C2=B4s (and 90=C2=B4s.. I still have it) I had an Amiga and I = used an >> EXCELLENT program called Octotrack. it wasa tracker program (ran vertica= lly) >> and had 2 sound chip channels, 2 sample based (8 bit) channels and as ma= ny >> midi channels as you wanted. For years all my music was done on this set= -up, >> the midi instrument being an Akai S1000... This music still sounds great= . >> The program was quite geeky, but also relatively intuitive. Fantastic! > > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 14:25:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDE93183463; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:25:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=PGsg9VwYW9WnqRLPI5zH/tGyxzpLlUOBAReQLhSMQeUlU6XA1dYg1PPUlm/9k5QN; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4FDF7B9B.3040000@tiscali.co.uk> References: <8CF1B77FA0B5411-153C-2C8@webmail-stg-m02.sysops.aol.com> <4FDF7B9B.3040000@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:24:56 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Nice looping track...! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79d13ce5e38161ff28bc3ee3a03137de1c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:25:11 +0000 (UTC) A friend sent me a link to a film on vimeo: https://vimeo.com/39578584 ..which was interesting enough, but I really loved the closing track of the film: "Day into Morning" by Rho..! Check it out: https://vimeo.com/musicstore/track/44929 -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 15:15:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0A98183460; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:15:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=v7mNFHdfURovXNeZZjoVwZtbHzUMHuFIODeZXfAVG9w=; b=qKUKJnrrGxBVt1NVt11+1y7N0L4HTk1oc6OQjyQapAOzKrNCrRha8oCW1eiF1Whs/f oVW1WpTrBrF2/p4IUl2h9z23FX0b6IIZ/KnP5hmQibETIEOlByny877cZA3XYWIPqzQJ Yz0xLridHRRERkHpB8od4P9utK1snpIhIye/Q9gPe6JSzrWjxPbdZRkxxYM/66X3LRDO 2dPyQdZvxr3YDPFnh4RWgHofLaz5em5xPwTPqQzk7oX93BVjiMLrcTujILKh75i8Yh58 5hl9bZ7Htax/eH6OFBR6oTP0Ugeo+wqkCfssku69kEIp6pz+UUGvQDd10l/qgcLo1SHZ G6Ng== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5BD8ED53A9693164076BFD11@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> References: <9B7ED51F0383431DA2FECEA3DD73C4EB@americas.hpqcorp.net> <5BD8ED53A9693164076BFD11@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 08:15:07 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MiniMoog Virtual Instrument From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:15:08 +0000 (UTC) Just got my email this morning, downloading now. Kevin CC On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 4:00 AM, Philip Conway wrote: > I took the facebook route too. =A0It may be the first time I've ever 'lik= ed' > something on there! =A0Hoping to get the email soon. =A0They make nice so= ftware. > > > --On 22 June 2012 12:10 +0200 Per Boysen wrote: > >> There was a Facebook page too where you could sign up. I did so, >> because I have been using a test version of this plugin long ago and >> liked it very much. Especially useful to me since this synth has a >> built-in arpeggiator and I prefer that rather than setting up a >> separate arp module (because the arp settings get saved with the >> instrument patch). >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Petri Lahtinen >> wrote: >>> >>> And look what happened - server meltdown, >>> been waiting for my dl -link for 24 hours soon... :-) >>> Arturia was caught pants-down probably with this, >>> the interest in the this fine product was so immense... :-) >>> >>> 2012/6/20, Kris Hartung : >>>> >>>> Just over 12 hours until availability! >>>> http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/products/minimoogv/minimoogv-origi= n >>>> al.html >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Petri >>> >> > > > > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 15:22:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B791A18345B; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:22:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=dnRc775Wp35NI82oXa65U1AZFGR16d0Gw+EMYILXVSk=; b=AhUhJlclziWkn/uvNTwOKwQcIe49WqT8obZwziOD4dO/H0n07CeVRYPmezLQE31bXS TY+S/KF69HbOTmQ9gpfUzKKi8CFkrbzL70i5oy5Piqfpzdsj0rWjOJAuySOzTCrhrU3G 7dxgrXXzOhUZIQENusYcPM7srDem26TPO53g5JwNSRTxgX0rbjqK3bY293HTX5UxIn9S yBvSqtoMMyDeQ/UisFbJVCdfkEILOBqHuX8BRtmObXQuz0LhHrf8ETFIflnr3LFsqOlc 83oLp0sRzrXK/PYYYiiNGSaf3/HUK3IXEJuWOpkTDeK/0ArxKsx6warN99nkTxozfKjQ BiMA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <9B7ED51F0383431DA2FECEA3DD73C4EB@americas.hpqcorp.net> <5BD8ED53A9693164076BFD11@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:22:23 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MiniMoog Virtual Instrument From: bassman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d7847af3816904c311328d Resent-Message-ID: <4_KCZB.A.siD.x2I5PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:22:25 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d7847af3816904c311328d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 drat - missed it! On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Just got my email this morning, downloading now. > > Kevin CC > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 4:00 AM, Philip Conway > wrote: > > I took the facebook route too. It may be the first time I've ever > 'liked' > > something on there! Hoping to get the email soon. They make nice > software. > > > > > > --On 22 June 2012 12:10 +0200 Per Boysen wrote: > > > >> There was a Facebook page too where you could sign up. I did so, > >> because I have been using a test version of this plugin long ago and > >> liked it very much. Especially useful to me since this synth has a > >> built-in arpeggiator and I prefer that rather than setting up a > >> separate arp module (because the arp settings get saved with the > >> instrument patch). > >> > >> Greetings from Sweden > >> > >> Per Boysen > >> www.perboysen.com > >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Petri Lahtinen > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> And look what happened - server meltdown, > >>> been waiting for my dl -link for 24 hours soon... :-) > >>> Arturia was caught pants-down probably with this, > >>> the interest in the this fine product was so immense... :-) > >>> > >>> 2012/6/20, Kris Hartung : > >>>> > >>>> Just over 12 hours until availability! > >>>> > http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/products/minimoogv/minimoogv-origin > >>>> al.html > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Petri > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > > --0016e6d7847af3816904c311328d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable drat - missed it!

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at= 11:15 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com> wro= te:
Just got my email this morning, downloading = now.

Kevin CC

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 4:00 AM, Philip Conway
<Philip.Conway@bristol.ac= .uk> wrote:
> I took the facebook route too. =A0It may be the first time I've ev= er 'liked'
> something on there! =A0Hoping to get the email soon. =A0They make nice= software.
>
>
> --On 22 June 2012 12:10 +0200 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> There was a Facebook page too where you could sign up. I did so, >> because I have been using a test version of this plugin long ago a= nd
>> liked it very much. Especially useful to me since this synth has a=
>> built-in arpeggiator and I prefer that rather than setting up a >> separate arp module (because the arp settings get saved with the >> instrument patch).
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.perboys= en.com
>> htt= p://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Petri Lahtinen
>> <kollegavalmenta= ja@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> And look what happened - server meltdown,
>>> been waiting for my dl -link for 24 hours soon... :-)
>>> Arturia was caught pants-down probably with this,
>>> the interest in the this fine product was so immense... :-) >>>
>>> 2012/6/20, Kris Hartung <krispen.hartung@gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> Just over 12 hours until availability!
>>>> http://www.arturia.com/evolutio= n/en/products/minimoogv/minimoogv-origin
>>>> al.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Petri
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>



--
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.<= br>
- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org
Video = http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos


--0016e6d7847af3816904c311328d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 15:28:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8466218345D; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=1sLgx9YgmWi6x/j34QPpE5CxBQydmQe6nri8SZiBlU4=; b=uWlxzeaEM7kTtuLqKemkG/+tzuiidNYGKBNE8fF+mvomz3Qaqf2KMZYSExX1iBvc8G zBjeUlin5Q8KxZJxduaYcHAbjDQ2px+VTPpc8IIQGwow3diP6TNeENdcLsB8bV3IlWa3 bLw5bVRwHIt/eluMi8dUk9TkV8GCRmz4pHneAGM0h5/9x+Qd/kiMOMS4B9zzuXdzdRJG naRpztAxDFNS85qvDCe4y/L/RXIYiA5zStSIPsJ/aRdmSQ0Xj52g+dmiFE3N0v9DR4f4 ZAERHdFNs+dhBPqFyuFTrpO7g4tnqp1AogWGr2t7b2r/nAKtCWu2KKqMLILPV87z1Pyn AmvQ== Message-ID: <76C4CA28E697433A80BBA413311C9648@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <9B7ED51F0383431DA2FECEA3DD73C4EB@americas.hpqcorp.net><5BD8ED53A9693164076BFD11@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: MiniMoog Virtual Instrument Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:27:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:28:00 +0000 (UTC) I'm still waiting. :( -----Original Message----- Just got my email this morning, downloading now. Kevin CC On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 4:00 AM, Philip Conway wrote: > I took the facebook route too. It may be the first time I've ever 'liked' > something on there! Hoping to get the email soon. They make nice > software. > > > --On 22 June 2012 12:10 +0200 Per Boysen wrote: > >> There was a Facebook page too where you could sign up. I did so, >> because I have been using a test version of this plugin long ago and >> liked it very much. Especially useful to me since this synth has a >> built-in arpeggiator and I prefer that rather than setting up a >> separate arp module (because the arp settings get saved with the >> instrument patch). >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Petri Lahtinen >> wrote: >>> >>> And look what happened - server meltdown, >>> been waiting for my dl -link for 24 hours soon... :-) >>> Arturia was caught pants-down probably with this, >>> the interest in the this fine product was so immense... :-) >>> >>> 2012/6/20, Kris Hartung : >>>> >>>> Just over 12 hours until availability! >>>> http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/products/minimoogv/minimoogv-origin >>>> al.html >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Petri >>> >> > > > > -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 15:30:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10B8D18345E; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:30:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 16:30:44 +0100 From: Philip Conway To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MiniMoog Virtual Instrument Message-ID: <3B85FB69E6D4BE827172A169@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <76C4CA28E697433A80BBA413311C9648@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <9B7ED51F0383431DA2FECEA3DD73C4EB@americas.hpqcorp.net> <5BD8ED53A9693164076BFD11@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> <76C4CA28E697433A80BBA413311C9648@americas.hpqcorp.net> Originator-Info: login-token=Mulberry:01y4LMjjvlBMDJtRL3DEDmMfwKsDvx+TuvPwAMsTT2AT6wLfHE+D0=; token_authority=mailto:postmaster@bristol.ac.uk X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:30:44 +0000 (UTC) I got mine a couple of hours ago. I expect they're wading through them gradually. --On 22 June 2012 09:27 -0600 Kris Hartung wrote: > I'm still waiting. :( > > > -----Original Message----- Just got my email this morning, downloading > now. > > Kevin CC > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 4:00 AM, Philip Conway > wrote: >> I took the facebook route too. It may be the first time I've ever >> 'liked' something on there! Hoping to get the email soon. They make >> nice software. >> >> >> --On 22 June 2012 12:10 +0200 Per Boysen wrote: >> >>> There was a Facebook page too where you could sign up. I did so, >>> because I have been using a test version of this plugin long ago and >>> liked it very much. Especially useful to me since this synth has a >>> built-in arpeggiator and I prefer that rather than setting up a >>> separate arp module (because the arp settings get saved with the >>> instrument patch). >>> >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> www.perboysen.com >>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Petri Lahtinen >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> And look what happened - server meltdown, >>>> been waiting for my dl -link for 24 hours soon... :-) >>>> Arturia was caught pants-down probably with this, >>>> the interest in the this fine product was so immense... :-) >>>> >>>> 2012/6/20, Kris Hartung : >>>>> >>>>> Just over 12 hours until availability! >>>>> http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/products/minimoogv/minimoogv-orig >>>>> in al.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Petri >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 15:32:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF217183455; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:32:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ebkJKTNikmMTj2r+clJobz1iDiZI+iHdF7G84xoo3cQ=; b=i7vVtzpUCMSQQDZu7nyij01b+7LB98ooOwemQWntf9eLfIHKvgvq8pP6T5fFloXT/+ kURck4KWdDSxy6w/MPrzaAVtfo+yPUxZZlHhhh8NNNV6XTuKtvkqoLFq5viQ/8Leo65e fAGSNPhX//+2QRlu5bVu5NuBwucnEIlv2uQQzjZnFXJLE+cMBE7LMopryDXfk950TMyr y2aFoMxxtI0gwwpwF/8LpmTGvVWpxWXwFFg5KQ79GBiMoZfVoh2yXvWoTnGpmpAryopw TjMO0WOODMoYZ68smIH3O7/sHa7oLhlxAr866txQdqAPW1WCcVWTDVnFTP4SMvyT+oCY 8Xjg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3B85FB69E6D4BE827172A169@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> References: <9B7ED51F0383431DA2FECEA3DD73C4EB@americas.hpqcorp.net> <5BD8ED53A9693164076BFD11@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> <76C4CA28E697433A80BBA413311C9648@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3B85FB69E6D4BE827172A169@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:32:13 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MiniMoog Virtual Instrument From: Tony K To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:32:14 +0000 (UTC) I got mine just a few minutes ago. The torrent didn't work for some reason. The FTP d/l is slow. On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Philip Conway wrote: > I got mine a couple of hours ago. =A0I expect they're wading through them > gradually. > > > --On 22 June 2012 09:27 -0600 Kris Hartung > wrote: > >> I'm still waiting. =A0 :( >> >> >> -----Original Message----- Just got my email this morning, downloading >> now. >> >> Kevin CC >> >> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 4:00 AM, Philip Conway >> wrote: >>> >>> I took the facebook route too. =A0It may be the first time I've ever >>> 'liked' something on there! =A0Hoping to get the email soon. =A0They ma= ke >>> nice =A0software. >>> >>> >>> --On 22 June 2012 12:10 +0200 Per Boysen wrote: >>> >>>> There was a Facebook page too where you could sign up. I did so, >>>> because I have been using a test version of this plugin long ago and >>>> liked it very much. Especially useful to me since this synth has a >>>> built-in arpeggiator and I prefer that rather than setting up a >>>> separate arp module (because the arp settings get saved with the >>>> instrument patch). >>>> >>>> Greetings from Sweden >>>> >>>> Per Boysen >>>> www.perboysen.com >>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Petri Lahtinen >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And look what happened - server meltdown, >>>>> been waiting for my dl -link for 24 hours soon... :-) >>>>> Arturia was caught pants-down probably with this, >>>>> the interest in the this fine product was so immense... :-) >>>>> >>>>> 2012/6/20, Kris Hartung : >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Just over 12 hours until availability! >>>>>> http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/products/minimoogv/minimoogv-ori= g >>>>>> in al.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Petri >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a >> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all troubl= e. >> >> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >> >> Sound and Vision: =A0http://www.minds-eye.org >> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > > > > > --=20 -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D- Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 15:34:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E16A5183461; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:34:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vB9vj7v2M8ElzW5ncoEn0d21LRW3ablXDrP3dO2YcBk=; b=YPRm/l5BV44frPmF8uHYio1WUoB4z/rgFCZLRYNbhenp/wRZ/rz4yVeJGaLl6iUwTO XR9etrsjxih43n+mqvHFkgY0KQJjPXeZJpVQbrdXOffVsmgyzvEqXCr0Rw2DIQeHKj0d 4ptu+oCBU/u75OF+Aia8yFEKFQCoD/GHS5ZlBsDUmOPP7KH4nlR5PK96hGPhVAbJlNWV babY7EMNB0HPK6ZSljuUTcAVWGVFUK8beuQ2m0gGp32d52EzzIWFRPsBDVR5mLb/5WTS JKnA6IgRJwCb2+iAVIYhDBeaP+M6WDHksLZDJmhauu5NFjLP4h+14ZD3cl+/UPskfWEN JVvg== Message-ID: <4FE4907F.9020000@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:34:23 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MiniMoog Virtual Instrument References: <9B7ED51F0383431DA2FECEA3DD73C4EB@americas.hpqcorp.net> <5BD8ED53A9693164076BFD11@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> <76C4CA28E697433A80BBA413311C9648@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3B85FB69E6D4BE827172A169@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:34:16 +0000 (UTC) I didn't get it at all. I don't like facebook, and...well, screw it. I'm gonna use this one instead: http://www.pluginboutique.com/products/287-Alpha-Ray Or my Oberheim Matrix...;) Rainer Tony K schrieb: > I got mine just a few minutes ago. The torrent didn't work for some > reason. The FTP d/l is slow. > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Philip Conway > wrote: > >> I got mine a couple of hours ago. I expect they're wading through them >> gradually. >> >> >> --On 22 June 2012 09:27 -0600 Kris Hartung >> wrote: >> >> >>> I'm still waiting. :( >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- Just got my email this morning, downloading >>> now. >>> >>> Kevin CC >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 4:00 AM, Philip Conway >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I took the facebook route too. It may be the first time I've ever >>>> 'liked' something on there! Hoping to get the email soon. They make >>>> nice software. >>>> >>>> >>>> --On 22 June 2012 12:10 +0200 Per Boysen wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> There was a Facebook page too where you could sign up. I did so, >>>>> because I have been using a test version of this plugin long ago and >>>>> liked it very much. Especially useful to me since this synth has a >>>>> built-in arpeggiator and I prefer that rather than setting up a >>>>> separate arp module (because the arp settings get saved with the >>>>> instrument patch). >>>>> >>>>> Greetings from Sweden >>>>> >>>>> Per Boysen >>>>> www.perboysen.com >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Petri Lahtinen >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> And look what happened - server meltdown, >>>>>> been waiting for my dl -link for 24 hours soon... :-) >>>>>> Arturia was caught pants-down probably with this, >>>>>> the interest in the this fine product was so immense... :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> 2012/6/20, Kris Hartung : >>>>>> >>>>>>> Just over 12 hours until availability! >>>>>>> http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/products/minimoogv/minimoogv-orig >>>>>>> in al.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Petri >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a >>> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. >>> >>> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >>> >>> Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org >>> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 15:38:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDCC418345E; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:38:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=q7iFko18iI6ebIwdyUT03WCzebpOnN9Eoe5eJmwlAeQ=; b=pDsLvEso79AE2iABnDS+aWwOtRvFWOKOy+n6zLUHIgtC6BNh/jUdhuXAv8b0H0VrSO bcJTUOdMdlRCL0ZUuulqyFZfjCyAy6ShwVxd8mV0Hp5JyTiMhjGAtSr/sc82hDrWJrc4 YGdKYrCC/9+n46Oa7BcYDtRhD5A1tbbpmfia+vW9xQrbQ27L3AS5ZPMbhx4PtwQeKbdK 0LV1P7j2Bzn6jXki3943UERx7T0wD04kjk+yY2hdDYZE/8FVM82NOy4T8u6WSUttf3Eg dkWSsWr5j3bkFgLEJ0A7gRjiJw73/9NXbtX5HZ6dBj3jNUesdC98LJ/0sRbTg9huSoVJ vSWA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 16:38:56 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: McMillen 12 step or Fatar Studiologic MP-113 anybody? From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:38:57 +0000 (UTC) anybody got either one of these for sale? chars! sim ps - i'm in the UK, btw... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 15:45:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6734E18345D; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:45:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IIbd6zXGmqK5Yy0uRltdkceS36sWZQ6KB9YvOedOLHQ=; b=sbi69Mw96Hq7hvvAlarTWreMjuSIQ837xVYOpa4KbcfPnCR7GX8VvNqCGSAEP47+bj 7nzGV93kdmyZx4iMahySbxm3xome+kZ8g07FEphbyCOLdD4Fec7dxcDbMetIQg7isflE wvzzpT5h2YVyfinr009zA1I3GC0JilumwEWTUdbNH2Po2Tgvev5bANPuIlst5/MR5g1S EgQ8lzFPZOJiMesxXOaXN2qFyBD/BKRnyG8tWECKEs7qQNZvjZmC/XKc9mHuS571molZ yWhhB0PMK1tFSqFXH6Zby3FOTze3EUSOCnGRt5B3/V9si837qIrig75LZACoT6ri+Btg TCzA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <9B7ED51F0383431DA2FECEA3DD73C4EB@americas.hpqcorp.net> <5BD8ED53A9693164076BFD11@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> <76C4CA28E697433A80BBA413311C9648@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3B85FB69E6D4BE827172A169@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 08:45:50 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MiniMoog Virtual Instrument From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:45:51 +0000 (UTC) > The FTP d/l is slow. That's the truth. On a T1 line, a 100 MB file is going to take at least an hour. Kevin --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 16:47:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24F0918345D; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 16:47:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 778703593/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.70.126.192/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.70.126.192 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBALig5E9PRn7A/2dsb2JhbAANOLkDAQEBAwE4NAoCBgsLIRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBF4drui+OFIMcA5pvjR6BVQc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,459,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="778703593" Message-ID: <4FE4A1BA.3000409@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:47:54 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rang III question and also I need help with clipping and distortion problem. References: <1340247587.68231.YahooMailNeo@web162705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 16:47:47 +0000 (UTC) > thanks for the tipps, sounds interesting, but, are you saying then > that I cannot connect all the instrument to a mixer and then the mixer > to the Rang without another gear which transform the mixer >line signal in instrument level signal? Most (usually all) outputs on a mixer have a volume control, in which case you *can* go direct to an instrument input. There's no problem with that. I don't know about the Boomerang, but other loopers with instrument level inputs have plenty of headroom. This is just a 'gain staging' issue, essentially you can indeed connect all instruments to the mixer, and put the Rang on the output of the mixer, as long as you go easy on the mixer output level. Then the Rang output will be your main output. It looks like the Rang always passes the dry signal, so you don't want to be using it on an aux send of the mixer and bringing back into a channel. (Rang users, please say if that's wrong). (some mixers will offer a workaround for this) It's a really bad idea to add extra gear as a first resort, it's much better to seek a solution with what you already have. I wouldn't advise you to use a compressor until you've tried simply getting the levels right. A compressor will tend to increase problems of feedback, and of unwanted bleed of sounds into the loop. andy ps. respect to Bennet, his setup is different to yours. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 18:09:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7045E183461; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:09:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=PoeGTkV3vigBSWZIalN22UUlQsxxZ/0QebwQGd4944c=; b=ELqYnH2QgRHODWlD9pf0NRO+/WqzNPDoW6NLO47hn2ACPZ9navK3oQGer5hEf7UZxq jy9UVUL70YYHya2WBNlR3IQXJxEpBe5R3F/5BUmZsScUSCmii4/MoC9KxLIoaEu6coUy 9RRR08D3X9UY3E3uBvN5FBVdPFoalW5GDXI+I4QVUsEE+KjK70OqqTHgzEno4LlB3Ct8 YCZy8OKLVNkx5zdjRmwpSaNriEkbrl8v+e5nbRA5akFdW80iR0JkoGmqoxW1MUYTR0sz Bti23w4X2KIyhWdsoqt4GX6TmCL3v9Q/gpYSbOrGyl34Fh2x0+bSgyZgVKGhY1MDXYT7 U9YQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FE4A1BA.3000409@tiscali.co.uk> References: <1340247587.68231.YahooMailNeo@web162705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4FE4A1BA.3000409@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:09:45 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Rang III question and also I need help with clipping and distortion problem. From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044787bb7d597404c3138975 Resent-Message-ID: <07tBRB.A.tyF.qTL5PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:09:46 +0000 (UTC) --f46d044787bb7d597404c3138975 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I use a little 4 channel Behringer mixer at the start of my signal chain. I plug various instruments and a mic into it and feed fx and loopers (no rang) I then adjust volumes to match with the mixer or instrument as needed. I haven't noticed any extra noise from this. I only play at home and do my shows via Ustream and such. My setup is at times noisy but just because I have so much plugged in that gets out of hand sometimes. Keep the power and audio cables separated! :) Jeff On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 12:47 PM, andy butler wrote: > > thanks for the tipps, sounds interesting, but, are you saying then that I >> cannot connect all the instrument to a mixer and then the mixer >> to the Rang without another gear which transform the mixer line signal in >> instrument level signal? >> > > Most (usually all) outputs on a mixer have a volume control, > in which case you *can* go direct to an instrument input. > There's no problem with that. > > > > I don't know about the Boomerang, but other loopers with instrument > level inputs have plenty of headroom. This is just a 'gain staging' issue, > essentially you can indeed connect all instruments to the mixer, and put > the Rang on the output of the mixer, > as long as you go easy on the mixer output level. > > Then the Rang output will be your main output. > > It looks like the Rang always passes the dry signal, so you don't > want to be using it on an aux send of the mixer and bringing back into a > channel. (Rang users, please say if that's wrong). > (some mixers will offer a workaround for this) > > > It's a really bad idea to add extra gear as a first resort, it's much > better to seek a solution with what you already have. > I wouldn't advise you to use a compressor until you've > tried simply getting the levels right. > A compressor will tend to increase problems of feedback, and of unwanted > bleed of sounds into the loop. > > > andy > ps. respect to Bennet, his setup is different to yours. > > --f46d044787bb7d597404c3138975 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I use a little 4 channel Behringer mixer at the start of my signal chain. I= plug various instruments and a mic into it and feed fx and loopers (no ran= g) I then adjust volumes to match with the mixer or instrument as needed. I= haven't noticed any extra noise from this. I only play at home and do = my shows via Ustream and such. My setup is at times noisy but just because = I have so much plugged in that gets out of hand sometimes. Keep the power a= nd audio cables separated! :)

Jeff

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 12:47 PM= , andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

thanks for the tipps, sounds interesting, but, are you saying then that I c= annot connect all the instrument to a mixer and then the mixer
to the Rang without another gear which transform the mixer line signal in i= nstrument level signal?

Most (usually all) =A0outputs on a mixer have a volume control,
in which case you *can* go direct to an instrument input.
There's no problem with that.



I don't know about the Boomerang, but other loopers with instrument
level inputs have plenty of headroom. This is just a 'gain staging'= issue, essentially you can indeed connect all instruments to the mixer, an= d put the Rang on the output of the mixer,
as long as you go easy on the mixer output level.

Then the Rang output will be your main output.

It looks like the Rang always passes the dry signal, so you don't
want to be using it on an aux send of the mixer and bringing back into a ch= annel. (Rang users, please say if that's wrong).
(some mixers will offer a workaround for this)


It's a really bad idea to add extra gear as a first resort, it's mu= ch better to seek a solution with what you already have.
I wouldn't advise you to use a compressor until you've
tried simply getting the levels right.
A compressor will tend to increase problems of feedback, and of unwanted bl= eed of sounds into the loop.=


andy
 ps. respect to Bennet, his setup is different to yours.


--f46d044787bb7d597404c3138975-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 18:56:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A53FB183460; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:56:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=YQ+7+rV1eZbpEzH2xUIRKHBIBCeS5g7362bCse0c1SQ=; b=xrqL80+V+/k9j9njokvRf7Ad62TJgc9B1nhS8BLDEhwU0zzBaABh2C8Gquq0zQUNq3 hx/pCOGo2+02E4lXOLTGtnwR34vOf/IuxwJhqFK0bG9dsgGo9u63fcKPu9rxQiQXtHZ9 GJ5HAAvjNwOWdqNYfTzo2W+mgC5b66+ca48RYxU2pzW9UtCjlcha0iCNm7pY93biqs29 x7l+fXLZ2CqPphcefExX8MoKjIoVAdAt2PLzq6RctRkcbfvq0JwLezX3HOp6UQ59KHyp 2mZh416GZjSObt97BoZa6tmdP5bj02aMYoQfJTjXQ5G6+/OeEiapxA41G006aYefh6pX vosg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20120619112212.E2E7F980.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:56:57 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Werkbench: sequencer/looper for ipad From: Thomas Wegmann To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <3CDfbC.A.JUG.7_L5PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:56:59 +0000 (UTC) I downloaded werkbench, sweet app, love playing with it so far! On 6/22/12, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > Kai's Power Tools FTW :-D > > 2012/6/19, mark francombe : >> Seems cool, Ill prob get this and give it a go.. interested in this midi >> thing... seems like new fangled idea... wonder whether it works? >> >> ...but what about the Gui GFX? Is Kai Kreuse making a come-back? >> >> >> Excellent, glass glowing balls in fractal mud as gui design again! >> hurrah! >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Ben wrote: >> >>> Heloo, >>> >>> I just wanted to share this video. >>> Not *really* live audio looping but I find it cool anyway. >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aeY40bVfv0 >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pg1EIkCbVc >>> >>> Ben >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Mark Francombe* >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >> > > > -- > Petri > > -- Greg Wegmann TheWeg@Frontier.com TheWeg@GMail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 22:39:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FC8218345D; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 22:39:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0091526225==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120622223944.7575.34613.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:39:47 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: simulated tape loops Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 22:39:48 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0091526225== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello!=20Is=20this=20my=20original=20idea,=20or=20has=20it=20been=20done=20= before?=20If=20it=20has=20been=20done=20before,=20I=20would=20 like=20to=20hear=20from=20some=20people.=20Simulated=20tape=20loops.=20You= =20take=20a=20digital=20audio=20file=20that=20was=20converted=20from=20a=20 tape=20(therefore=20it=20still=20has=20tape=20noise,=20and=20is=20lower=20q= uality=20than=20a=20made-digital=20sound),=20and=20you=20use=20 audio=20software=20to=20loop=20the=20tape-sampled=20digital=20recording,=20= simulating=20a=20tape=20loop.=20Is=20this=20 my=20original=20idea? Tyler=20Z --===============0091526225==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 23:00:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F29E0183460; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:00:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ehhOmQWSH2gKRMlIX6Pqymn86ECmyVYHJYicQpigoXg=; b=WWgKxlontEvNm6FEPpOWD4KwvHyY4iwqFwg615oyNmEzOoL7CrRp/N4ub4I6/uQkQr 57Bjgn99Kt4SD1yg51EtpBHFeHfffs++wOL5dYZxoL0xIgjMfUXFCj4cWJoV498zxX+l ec2Xg6Lv4NmJ7MeQYoUdFaC5AiQ9u3na2buQ78Nsy7/UPwqAF20EcJRXjReOcd5N0Wn+ hLVXke4/x0ijyap4/sLPByFGhzDZJ4QI2/J77dWTKO/Auav0DkisUTs20nybJcJXJqMs z+yVtLx4OkxwTggSEBKNClTAxlGFWcpsQhkHZYfz+QlDleizzjSTik8jnk0pKvbIKFaw au+w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <9B7ED51F0383431DA2FECEA3DD73C4EB@americas.hpqcorp.net> <5BD8ED53A9693164076BFD11@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> <76C4CA28E697433A80BBA413311C9648@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3B85FB69E6D4BE827172A169@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:00:03 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MiniMoog Virtual Instrument From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:00:05 +0000 (UTC) Took me about an hour with the torrent. If anyone needs this, I can send you the torrent file. Sylvain On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: >> The FTP d/l is slow. > > That's the truth. =A0On a T1 line, a 100 MB file is going to take at > least an hour. > > Kevin > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble= . > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 23:20:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94120183460; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:20:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=1WW9wIMG4nhsRAtUJQ75bcWpM4DWIebwNgYbtb7QvIM=; b=uJ7aPNkbUOb5dVxl5KXdxvMM9wUHLdqOEnJNjRJgG4lkISSkk1bunBLVB4OIekjrlU d4+TshblKOVgWvxMKafoix0ZaAS8hiPtlB9DSpZr2GuKaf61T9zBnB18BcLgu4XeE6ty fHENgouq3UkFdJ5XI1zaokNdtW/pDKsP3MA6EGyxAKUnFEML6pWwAU4X/F6cKEhv1Qj1 Qyuw2UPXhY+qo5mZz/DlTF3DvgjLmDi+GB+W1FDFzfyPsRxjj0Ivt4L74vdEnkbAYCIp 4AgdiAQFc681+6PlMJW+1g5957jLlqwe7wlHAZzAVkWWZfJ3bzjXDaq43Vv7Xl6tf0eM YxjA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <9B7ED51F0383431DA2FECEA3DD73C4EB@americas.hpqcorp.net> <5BD8ED53A9693164076BFD11@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> <76C4CA28E697433A80BBA413311C9648@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3B85FB69E6D4BE827172A169@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:20:47 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MiniMoog Virtual Instrument From: bassman To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300fb0a1dc457f04c317e1d2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:20:48 +0000 (UTC) --20cf300fb0a1dc457f04c317e1d2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I could use it. Rich On Friday, June 22, 2012, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > Took me about an hour with the torrent. > If anyone needs this, I can send you the torrent file. > Sylvain > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando > > wrote: > >> The FTP d/l is slow. > > > > That's the truth. On a T1 line, a 100 MB file is going to take at > > least an hour. > > > > Kevin > > > > -- > > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all > trouble. > > > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > > > > --20cf300fb0a1dc457f04c317e1d2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I could use it.

Rich

On Friday, June= 22, 2012, Sylvain Poitras wrote:
Took m= e about an hour with the torrent.
If anyone needs this, I can send you the torrent file.
Sylvain

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando
<billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The FTP d/l is slow.
>
> That's the truth. =A0On a T1 line, a 100 MB file is going to take = at
> least an hour.
>
> Kevin
>
> --
> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have = a
> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trou= ble.
>
> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
>
> Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org
> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos
>

--20cf300fb0a1dc457f04c317e1d2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 23:30:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58416183462; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:30:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=olN36O0M6J0Ian+mFJ1M+U7O8VoDSqwy5+eB8VaK/QM=; b=NZ8d3ycunGyqaD33yo74DgLK8ondaHBcXKsPnYHYsa9L0AF0lcHMLMPS55GbU5ZzHk b2Gvd4Tl5/wpo2gifVChpOXZ0+pqIrx357IFMTVepPInCuiCKhVHcCFdVnIK4Yo7pb7c 5KkP170MJDnfZMVo2b/GPya2BSCQoDfHqaueLnLxgqhuyseXal5Nqp6yuRCIIoQ08GZB qmP18nUvxi6+V7XkZqakNAzcNPNl6YRwguDx5SmtG1p0A0FwFB9Q38Skh+NFlGgNP9zt kmnM3/zN61TD/KvlDZgCw6b0PNlVd5GK6HM7nChXumTtquj+4qBsLtJ2P835Xh8fe8pc 8pfg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <9B7ED51F0383431DA2FECEA3DD73C4EB@americas.hpqcorp.net> <5BD8ED53A9693164076BFD11@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> <76C4CA28E697433A80BBA413311C9648@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3B85FB69E6D4BE827172A169@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 16:30:45 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MiniMoog Virtual Instrument From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:30:47 +0000 (UTC) Without the activation code its just a trial version though. Kevin On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 4:20 PM, bassman wrote: > I could use it. > > Rich > > > On Friday, June 22, 2012, Sylvain Poitras wrote: >> >> Took me about an hour with the torrent. >> If anyone needs this, I can send you the torrent file. >> Sylvain >> >> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando >> wrote: >> >> The FTP d/l is slow. >> > >> > That's the truth. =A0On a T1 line, a 100 MB file is going to take at >> > least an hour. >> > >> > Kevin >> > >> > -- >> > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have = a >> > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all >> > trouble. >> > >> > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >> > >> > Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org >> > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >> > >> > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 23:38:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37EDA183461; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:38:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 581444.84377.bm@omp1030.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1340408294; bh=id1+25s9VFLW6MLfSZ26+Zoe3ruiyic6dxhuaEHuXUQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bAPwsyxHU4N6CXkrhpIIhMmdm/l87yBf+v2k4zPPKqtDfZS/dx+Cf3BtwGzPciFDGHxbqHOAy3GGIrLtJvABlW4dCbpHW+04sLN57gnWIC2z02cLjY8Jj+NuqSvS1SvTbVoWT7Fc7lMuPtM66bNgNMFuGydkLsVjZOHvWhhC18k= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=y2y8A9CwPrtd2rsS8DXmvDaOLM1dKHJiSQJlrADa6kzi6zLX0POUXEJk4E1wgexcImRbiroxgdMtfy+RRTIQXftL6Hg98cioMf8keKxp8gGQNszZpssvGvDUgRbscBr0Ny3zjqVzlc07k0vzP1oOODvNl84V/y37bqK1YahEnog=; X-YMail-OSG: vLmMrqEVM1lNOPaAiERvuy5Jbsasl.6mZosAmp_6.uxPLkR pfDK6u3rATt_nHrDqAg5oXRZUei2mlQOC_tMhItEzDwNpOxJ4N1omwFanPWS eoDuCuzqKDCLnZBQYuTxMWuOdTcqIjJqAr52ZbCBDhqArUvbQfW9eTwbYjdW BkylCTeaDFx5oR8PlzEetTpOg9N0aWDfCEwqSQn5Grq.czO1dSDGkyrSECVI yPC5s2ep3I8WR59JwYHWL5JxHPTXkUmNxMRbFal59Z2UF4TDJuOZNkag1JCN Ci1ZBjyySq54nDqky9bW02XkCT28FmbHBCmDhZQgHlEmJznJ7Q35QSu_H3Co QQV4DpJJtSByOX8OZhfBXUeD4w.0NlU4YdYFmaIumEBbogGC8wcYXjbVZLO. st1duQdzi50UrzGton.7iZtuebh4LTknFRLTrQSQedWe_ZdZsX2DTPIJ5.53 EM1khEYAj_10qmk7.775oQ5cg6LBAhAgxttagCM8CHlWYYcSLX0AJ0Z5fIcn dUeEaeeTEbeFLF1E5lcJxzNVkFELmIqMtMYCUvdR28AF9_OErSmsYoJFGVfC uVZmSpPMbhDP7HopbMdKgcW6vEOkIMJ2XYqAhNksghGjJ.e7BfSJ96mReQKC xe3RFiVbrIRkpqo3AcYnUzJc4ULzcvNr862DKwJQ.Tvkanx1Dh8Lf1RVcy3Z tdQpr5Uxjndkkyz.hrnxB6qSa36b2 X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <20120622223944.7575.34613.levelstar.mail@everest> Message-ID: <1340408293.31478.YahooMailNeo@web45304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 16:38:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Reply-To: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: simulated tape loops To: Tyler , "loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <20120622223944.7575.34613.levelstar.mail@everest> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:38:16 +0000 (UTC) Somewhere buried deep (and probably unfindable) in the ancient LD archives = is a conversation I once had with Duncan Goddard (of Radio Massacre Interna= tional) which began with me saying that I often prefer to record string par= ts first onto 1/4" analog tape before moving it over into the digital realm= . Duncan (like myself, a huge Mellotron fan) said he's done this for years = as well. (All of which is fair game for looping either on the way to the ta= pe or afterwards, of course.)=0A=0AAlso the preponderance of "tape simulati= on", faux-dub, "lo-fi", hi-cut, et cetera features to be found either in ra= ck gear or VSTs suggests that dirtying something up is pretty widespread.= =0A=0ASo I think the general features of your idea are probably already qui= te well-represented, although the specifics of what you do with it are alwa= ys fertile ground.=0A=0A-t-=0A=0A=A0=0Ahttp://timothynelsonmusic.com/=0Ahtt= p://www.cdbaby.com/Artist/TimNelson=0Ahttp://www.facebook.com/timothynelson= music=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message -----=0AFrom: Tyler =0ATo: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=0ACc: =0ASent: Frida= y, June 22, 2012 6:39 PM=0ASubject: simulated tape loops=0A=0AHello! Is thi= s my original idea, or has it been done before? If it has been done before,= I would =0Alike to hear from some people. Simulated tape loops. You take a= digital audio file that was converted from a =0Atape (therefore it still h= as tape noise, and is lower quality than a made-digital sound), and you use= =0Aaudio software to loop the tape-sampled digital recording, simulating a= tape loop. Is this =0Amy original idea?=0ATyler Z From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 01:55:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43DD8183460; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 01:55:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <9B7ED51F0383431DA2FECEA3DD73C4EB@americas.hpqcorp.net><5BD8ED53A9693164076BFD11@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk><76C4CA28E697433A80BBA413311C9648@americas.hpqcorp.net><3B85FB69E6D4BE827172A169@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: MiniMoog Virtual Instrument Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 02:55:53 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 01:55:56 +0000 (UTC) This is a great vst! Going to have fun with this. -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Cheli-Colando Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 4:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MiniMoog Virtual Instrument > The FTP d/l is slow. That's the truth. On a T1 line, a 100 MB file is going to take at least an hour. Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 06:12:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6318F183464; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 06:12:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=NhXmCbwddZTbAKB12cf/04SAsdnmO3blh1nqiPTKkEo=; b=O/MhEyD3wAV5BHzFrUHej+hz822KdgU+M/AQDpNrxoYTTO3AEQro9SCVP1LWBNu/63 KppErX0JW9FqFcr+JjfNS0pBFp7mpnk5/z3vZiFCYZfkY04rIThXx4PD3fuA1L31tPZv 9/Igyo17bjzvc9GBQ5rFNcEE1Ppg/xPMzGMsKQ7j3dta5BFf9n3UTpSvK0zF7151ZgMZ wbz2mdE1OD9cf/e6e5vsmut5vSAdirMUHcOyGCVDKMYC5Za/nNgFajxkla1OTwz8dIUQ GA3TNauSD0+zEjn7QH8Etgoc4GxI4pxolS/PU8RCiHbH0knOf+8ERu79cNU6/OA2C3vL P5Ag== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:12:09 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: I feel like crap From: "kay'lon rushing" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444038402fcb304c31da19c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 06:12:11 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0444038402fcb304c31da19c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Im just not enjoying looping right now i feel like I've lost creativity :p what to do? --f46d0444038402fcb304c31da19c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

Im just not enjoying looping right now i feel like I've lost creativity :p what to do?

--f46d0444038402fcb304c31da19c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 06:15:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 909E318345E; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 06:15:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_4f3d0b16-0149-4fad-9607-f0699e2437a8_" X-Originating-IP: [86.153.221.83] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: I feel like crap Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 06:15:38 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2012 06:15:39.0520 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C75D000:01CD5107] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 06:15:40 +0000 (UTC) --_4f3d0b16-0149-4fad-9607-f0699e2437a8_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stop. Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk Date: Fri=2C 22 Jun 2012 23:12:09 -0700 Subject: I feel like crap From: k3zz21@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Im just not enjoying looping right now i feel like I've lost creativity :p = what to do? = --_4f3d0b16-0149-4fad-9607-f0699e2437a8_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stop.


Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
Date: = Fri=2C 22 Jun 2012 23:12:09 -0700
Subject: I feel like crap
From: k3z= z21@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Im just not= enjoying looping right now i feel like I've lost creativity :p what to do?=
= --_4f3d0b16-0149-4fad-9607-f0699e2437a8_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 06:38:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 281DA183461; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 06:38:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=wPhR3OooaEOXURaLG9Sb9SnobxOoufx0YKlgQTdqb58=; b=wN62wsTsEQmtKRN8bRkQv8FsHXWHuyw36iWYr4mQcWgeO1BDzcPlDVnwwmBFtFtDw/ FY4IF8JAocLBvIfmuv0ZmMluh2G+Z/qeIqsUJwsBx1HdIiBVIB+UVg6L/jyhXPqbnnaZ Qs+MmGmZZ/AMWpPU9Gz0f/tMynjdEAg/ZIkPM3u5Ogh+nyPQCB70oE6BnG9Y+qMSPH4e CuEm+VeokeWvxByVNwK9bHLhGcJE5T6UD1KQT/DFcnnFjKagvjIDzJN4b3A1H/D+wk3g LK4xuRlKLlCcBbLVzlK57Z05cKkT0RJPJ4a2yHH5oDhfc8hKabPg+Op3cF+iCrX2RSCx coXQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:38:17 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: RE: I feel like crap From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d7e3507aaa8a04c31dfeae Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 06:38:18 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d7e3507aaa8a04c31dfeae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 :( On Jun 22, 2012 11:15 PM, "Gareth Whittock" wrote: > Stop. > > > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > > ------------------------------ > Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:12:09 -0700 > Subject: I feel like crap > From: k3zz21@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Im just not enjoying looping right now i feel like I've lost creativity :p > what to do? > --0016e6d7e3507aaa8a04c31dfeae Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

:(

On Jun 22, 2012 11:15 PM, "Gareth Whittock&= quot; <buddhamachine@live.co= .uk> wrote:
Stop.


Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

=
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:12:09 -0700
Subject: I fee= l like crap
From: k3zz21@gmail.co= m
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Im just not enjo= ying looping right now i feel like I've lost creativity :p what to do?<= br>
--0016e6d7e3507aaa8a04c31dfeae-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 06:58:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84B40183464; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 06:58:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_27c6e1e1-4180-44d0-b120-eb35a8de6883_" X-Originating-IP: [86.153.221.83] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: I feel like crap Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 06:58:54 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2012 06:58:55.0633 (UTC) FILETIME=[A7DD3810:01CD510D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 06:58:56 +0000 (UTC) --_27c6e1e1-4180-44d0-b120-eb35a8de6883_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's ok - You can start again any time you like :-) Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk Date: Fri=2C 22 Jun 2012 23:38:17 -0700 Subject: RE: I feel like crap From: k3zz21@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com :( On Jun 22=2C 2012 11:15 PM=2C "Gareth Whittock" = wrote: Stop. Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk Date: Fri=2C 22 Jun 2012 23:12:09 -0700 Subject: I feel like crap From: k3zz21@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Im just not enjoying looping right now i feel like I've lost creativity :p = what to do? =20 = --_27c6e1e1-4180-44d0-b120-eb35a8de6883_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's ok - You can start again any time you like :-)


Gareth Whit= tock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

<= /div>
Date: Fri=2C 22 Jun 2012 23:38:17 -0700
Sub= ject: RE: I feel like crap
From: k3zz21@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight= @loopers-delight.com

:(
On Jun 22=2C 2012 11:15 PM=2C "Gareth Whittoc= k" <=3Bbuddhamachine@live.co.= uk>=3B wrote:
Stop.


Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
Date: Fri=2C 22 Jun 2012 23:12:09 -0700
Subject: I= feel like crap
From: k3zz21@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-d= elight.com

Im just not enjoying looping right now i feel like I'= ve lost creativity :p what to do?
= --_27c6e1e1-4180-44d0-b120-eb35a8de6883_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 08:05:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0288E183460; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 08:05:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FE578E2.80200@virgin.net> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:05:54 +0100 From: Dave Draper Reply-To: dh.draper@virgin.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gigspam-London: Looping with a drummer (revisited) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-Smarthost03-IP: [82.69.58.35] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 08:05:52 +0000 (UTC) Hi loopers I shall be performing with drummer Dave Fowler at the Luna Lounge, 7 Church Lane, Leytonstone, E11 1HG this coming Thursday evening (28th June) from 8pm, if anyone's around the East London area that night. It's just 2 minutes' walk from Leytonstone tube. There are three groups of improvising musicians playing, so our duo will quite likely be first up! More details at http://www.lunalounge.info/luna-lounge-events.htm (& click on 'Lune Fringe'/thurs 28th for list of other distinguished musos). I'm not actually using a 'loop pedal' as quoted, but a laptop running Bidule & Mobius! Anyone curious to see a live drummer who's happy to play with people like me (us?), do come along. (It's looping, Jim, but not as we know it!) Dave Draper http://uk.myspace.com/davedrapermusic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 12:07:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB77E18345B; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 12:07:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=1jopWxGh4dJG+CcYVbAYDoiH9UofvxiNbUXzpP+xd1A=; b=lnaMYJg+xPRaGs6vE8xL76JRJs5F0IYo3XG4n5Toi12GcIhBDmKzO/E/BK+RY56OI3 rzKSiO5T34t3nNWjRO0ZYWIcKSKVUY8N4C1ZkUmkzB8uYUC0CFJpxfRPz/rbz+mXs6sc qBdbM1QOSpjVMBQKZbpAed99f9JI0/HAnmmZjYfO+FJPlTJin0GTV8i488pd+aG0+/t1 xBg7ujtjqUK+xBXG3l2VgWkmFSthD5ZDrgHf6tikv0QRF3htGOrAQfpMffoGNSQlfbrS YZ8kmaeqgCEHFYYwA03+Q+EG6wFvECFSvDkJoOKH+ik7/+utWd6uZJyIUP7BdsFDxRr7 jvqA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 08:07:39 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: I feel like crap From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf303f6a125fa95c04c3229802 Resent-Message-ID: <7REvrB.A.Y5F.MGb5PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 12:07:40 +0000 (UTC) --20cf303f6a125fa95c04c3229802 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Go read a book or watch a documentary... Go to a concert... You have to feed the beast. Sylvain On Saturday, June 23, 2012, Gareth Whittock wrote: > It's ok - You can start again any time you like :-) > > > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > > ------------------------------ > Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:38:17 -0700 > Subject: RE: I feel like crap > From: k3zz21@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com');> > > :( > On Jun 22, 2012 11:15 PM, "Gareth Whittock" > > wrote: > > Stop. > > > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > > ------------------------------ > Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:12:09 -0700 > Subject: I feel like crap > From: k3zz21@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com');> > > Im just not enjoying looping right now i feel like I've lost creativity :p > what to do? > > --20cf303f6a125fa95c04c3229802 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Go read a book or watch a documentary... Go to a concert... =A0You have to = feed the beast.

Sylvain

On Saturday, June 23, 2012, G= areth Whittock wrote:
It's ok - You can start again any time you like :-)


Gareth = Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

Date: Fri, 22 Ju= n 2012 23:38:17 -0700
Subject: RE: I feel like crap
From: k3zz21@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-deli= ght.com

:(
On Jun 22, 2012 11:15 PM, "Gareth Whittock" <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:
Stop.


Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

=
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:12:09 -0700
Subject: I fee= l like crap
From: k3zz21@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Im just not enjoying looping right now i feel like I've lost creati= vity :p what to do?
--20cf303f6a125fa95c04c3229802-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 12:15:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C78118345D; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 12:15:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=J1ZoNIZTsR2Y13baD7LHLPYN6KHZj0WOESIuxiQa4dA=; b=CbQV5atwIw/hQd3LOqTS54nF77UWbgiZ8/xqhvTRkSo4qIsgp8t7xCqxXFf75PIADR n8uEWE0eia+qni4Rpr0apprausDi0tZ6QgQZw4O7G8lcZ4iVIltnzo8Bw0Jl6ah/U/oV tDkz8+kiCf4o/zpdGCX3396+hnGxrSfjTOzh0zLHBP+SYJvcnLaOvwgWwbOYi9KHO3nN T9G70bNg+qNZAG/E4Vkg4nTsIxHinXlUEtPABk+sGZfAQAq3XwlYxZx53uhQRx3+OqwW W4YW8FUPu6yjXjkRpsJtgPWOcgsQ/8JFjitzIvFpYGjqO0wJyObBd8h0X9VmWywAW+zI 2VYA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 13:15:11 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: I feel like crap From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 12:15:13 +0000 (UTC) there was a really good thread about inspiration and creativity a while ago with some really great comments and advice....worth looking up. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 16:43:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1B1818345C; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:43:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=XkB2nI7K8L/g3m7FUwSe5c5q3ejJ3GO/RqJYTWc8E9o=; b=X6gnaZIOb8AR1+Nu0x/7/oRgSDsWN1nL4ZC6dxZI2fBXnxzjGrpV6d/DjiLyWY/0re Wt2gT5uAAhzZ5agA87C68zXoz5EPhqcF6qMiDfpYhvagffOvt1elutAaID5GW4aGFC2j 0CQ9paAg79A6CLELMcTaNNPCEAs2ADANldhUb6qG6WZx4hIs32Jguyaa0Xqe0i0xoKkZ +UksUrr0IWI5lbRk4jZIwPqBzVzdM7dAGAO0+eXFVk7OGIbSjB6hIT46D58uRx1ddmEU F2Q4txvaIJdu3SWogdYumsJ82OgESy2fb6UZODuw2MD//fQgG8h1yMN/akw481cfOn/2 suEA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:43:55 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: I feel like crap From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:43:56 +0000 (UTC) I'd say do something that's not looping. Depending too heavily on a certain piece of gear or type of processing (such as looping) is a common pitfall of electronic musicians. Now might be a good time to try a new instrument, work with different sounds - try changing your mode up a little. If it's music in general that's not flowing, now would be a good time to work on the non-musical elements of being a musician. Write a bio for yourself, build a website, research possible venues, network, edit some tracks, listen to your older tracks and pay attention to what you like/don't like about them. On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:12 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > Im just not enjoying looping right now i feel like I've lost creativity :p > what to do? -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 16:51:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C7D018345D; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:51:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_2d296749-6134-419b-b293-d863778fc282_" X-Originating-IP: [86.153.221.83] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: I feel like crap Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:51:09 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2012 16:51:10.0251 (UTC) FILETIME=[64259FB0:01CD5160] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:51:12 +0000 (UTC) --_2d296749-6134-419b-b293-d863778fc282_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think looping should be an option not a compulsion. I've sometimes had to= fight the temptation to hit the loop switch when it wasn't necessarily app= ropriate. Sometimes it's good to have a lot of looping=2C a little or=2C (d= are I say it?) none at all - it should be your servant=2C not your master. = Great servant though! peace g Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > Date: Sat=2C 23 Jun 2012 09:43:55 -0700 > Subject: Re: I feel like crap > From: mattdavignon@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > I'd say do something that's not looping. Depending too heavily on a > certain piece of gear or type of processing (such as looping) is a > common pitfall of electronic musicians. Now might be a good time to > try a new instrument=2C work with different sounds - try changing your > mode up a little. >=20 > If it's music in general that's not flowing=2C now would be a good time > to work on the non-musical elements of being a musician. Write a bio > for yourself=2C build a website=2C research possible venues=2C network=2C= edit > some tracks=2C listen to your older tracks and pay attention to what you > like/don't like about them. >=20 > On Fri=2C Jun 22=2C 2012 at 11:12 PM=2C kay'lon rushing wrote: > > Im just not enjoying looping right now i feel like I've lost creativity= :p > > what to do? >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com >=20 = --_2d296749-6134-419b-b293-d863778fc282_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think looping should be an option not a compulsion. I've sometimes had to= fight the temptation to hit the loop switch when it wasn't necessarily app= ropriate. =3B
Sometimes it's good to have a lot of looping=2C a lit= tle or=2C (dare I say it?) none at all - it should be your servant=2C not y= our master. =3B
Great servant though!

peac= e

g

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

>=3B Date: Sat=2C 23 = Jun 2012 09:43:55 -0700
>=3B Subject: Re: I feel like crap
>=3B F= rom: mattdavignon@gmail.com
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.c= om
>=3B
>=3B I'd say do something that's not looping. Depending = too heavily on a
>=3B certain piece of gear or type of processing (suc= h as looping) is a
>=3B common pitfall of electronic musicians. Now mi= ght be a good time to
>=3B try a new instrument=2C work with different= sounds - try changing your
>=3B mode up a little.
>=3B
>= =3B If it's music in general that's not flowing=2C now would be a good time=
>=3B to work on the non-musical elements of being a musician. Write a= bio
>=3B for yourself=2C build a website=2C research possible venues= =2C network=2C edit
>=3B some tracks=2C listen to your older tracks an= d pay attention to what you
>=3B like/don't like about them.
>=3B=
>=3B On Fri=2C Jun 22=2C 2012 at 11:12 PM=2C kay'lon rushing <=3Bk= 3zz21@gmail.com>=3B wrote:
>=3B >=3B Im just not enjoying looping = right now i feel like I've lost creativity :p
>=3B >=3B what to do?<= br>>=3B
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>=3B Matt Davignon
&= gt=3B mattdavignon@gmail.com
>=3B www.ribosomemusic.com
>=3B Podc= ast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
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= --_2d296749-6134-419b-b293-d863778fc282_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 17:16:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67B5F183455; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 17:16:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=HcMXwg1bl3vn88TQsY+MCxLopwdRYjkSjf/x1qLP7gk=; b=eidKAAT6HxbUNyUGkmnbtlVrZY6sb7Oe2NGWLloFLuw6k+97PyRmhD0K9h7cITt3xq 5Ru36El556eSJMRSstaPiPpPGbLWxYtKbfYFRUdLVjiLsKlKyYVGYrS+llIsf795w0u4 ccoicILnfkwbmfr/Kq6FYfsgwTAtnaX9KZcLL8lTG07nfHiaF8AHzaKGZw2B7nbGH+Mv 6vRugBzb/SMpxPGyn+m6IdOwwjt8wdTX7z0o3PF+Skj4kFLe8i4XvJEzztp0YlKa9dEL yr46BixQsKTl+Jf5/PGal4Gj7jofveIKWM0Eo5KBVwkmy9ogZWHZag3y1+vEN3GGJRp7 53Vg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 13:16:53 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: I feel like crap From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54eea0a439d7004c326ea8f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 17:16:55 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec54eea0a439d7004c326ea8f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kay'lon I think that everyone goes through periods of that and it's just part of the cycle till the next wave of improvisation comes. I would say though you can't wait on it I think you have to play everyday at least for a period even if you don't feel in to it. Another parallel. i went to hear a friends ensemble last night called Elec= tric Diamond in lower Manhattan. There was a violinist playing in the ensemble that just blew me away and left me both touched and feeling why do I even try (not my main but an instrument I continue to 'hack' at) and yet I do. I think times like that just humble the ego but when you sweep away the ego the desire to make music is still there in whatever way you express. This was a remix of three tracks from improvisations this morning that I put together for our weekend ImprovFridayevent. Jim_Goodin_Another_Window_Another_View_62312.mp3 Keep playing Kay'lon.... Jim On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > I think looping should be an option not a compulsion. I've sometimes had > to fight the temptation to hit the loop switch when it wasn't necessarily > appropriate. > Sometimes it's good to have a lot of looping, a little or, (dare I say > it?) none at all - it should be your servant, not your master. > Great servant though! > > peace > > g > > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > > > Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:43:55 -0700 > > Subject: Re: I feel like crap > > From: mattdavignon@gmail.com > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > I'd say do something that's not looping. Depending too heavily on a > > certain piece of gear or type of processing (such as looping) is a > > common pitfall of electronic musicians. Now might be a good time to > > try a new instrument, work with different sounds - try changing your > > mode up a little. > > > > If it's music in general that's not flowing, now would be a good time > > to work on the non-musical elements of being a musician. Write a bio > > for yourself, build a website, research possible venues, network, edit > > some tracks, listen to your older tracks and pay attention to what you > > like/don't like about them. > > > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:12 PM, kay'lon rushing > wrote: > > > Im just not enjoying looping right now i feel like I've lost > creativity :p > > > what to do? > > > > > > > > -- > > Matt Davignon > > mattdavignon@gmail.com > > www.ribosomemusic.com > > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > > > --=20 --=20 *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism' *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit *JDRF International * *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. --bcaec54eea0a439d7004c326ea8f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kay'lon I think that everyone goes through periods of that and it's= just part of the cycle till the next wave of improvisation comes. =A0I wou= ld say though you can't wait on it I think you have to play everyday at= least for a period even if you don't feel in to it.

Another parallel. =A0i went to hear a friends ensemble last night = called Electric Diamond in l= ower Manhattan. =A0There was a violinist playing in the ensemble that just = blew me away and left me both touched and feeling why do I even try (not my= main but an instrument I continue to 'hack' at) and yet I do. =A0I= think times like that just humble the ego but when you sweep away the ego = the desire to make music is still there in whatever way you express. =A0Thi= s was a remix of three tracks from improvisations this morning that I put t= ogether for our weekend ImprovFriday event. =A0Jim_Goodin_Another_Window_Another_View_62312.m= p3

Keep playing Kay'lon....


Ji= m

On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 = at 12:51 PM, Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:
I think looping should be an option not a compulsion. I've sometimes ha= d to fight the temptation to hit the loop switch when it wasn't necessa= rily appropriate.=A0
Sometimes it's good to have a lot of looping, = a little or, (dare I say it?) none at all - it should be your servant, not = your master.=A0
Great servant though!

peace

g

Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:43:55 -0700
> Subject:= Re: I feel like crap
> From: mattdavignon@gmail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@l= oopers-delight.com

>
> I'd say do something that's not= looping. Depending too heavily on a
> certain piece of gear or type = of processing (such as looping) is a
> common pitfall of electronic m= usicians. Now might be a good time to
> try a new instrument, work with different sounds - try changing your> mode up a little.
>
> If it's music in general that= 's not flowing, now would be a good time
> to work on the non-mus= ical elements of being a musician. Write a bio
> for yourself, build a website, research possible venues, network, edit=
> some tracks, listen to your older tracks and pay attention to what= you
> like/don't like about them.
>
> On Fri, Jun 2= 2, 2012 at 11:12 PM, kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Im just not enjoying looping right now i feel like I've lost = creativity :p
> > what to do?
>
>
>
> -= -
> Matt Davignon
> mattdavignon@gmail.com
> www.ribosom= emusic.com
> Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
>



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jimgoodin.com= - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minima= lism'
=A0
From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz= recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will= benefit JDRF Internation= al

Tips Across the Waters, a= new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

--bcaec54eea0a439d7004c326ea8f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 17:31:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E31518345C; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 17:31:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <29F697AD8AE243D98E1E0ECB5823820D@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: I feel like crap Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 18:31:13 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01CD516E.5E25CB40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: <4N9wJB.A.Mk.j1f5PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 17:31:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CD516E.5E25CB40 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0012_01CD516E.5E25CB40" ------=_NextPart_001_0012_01CD516E.5E25CB40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I concur completely. Stops and starts in the divorce process here are = quite sapping. You can have all the songs in the world running round = your head but...=20 From: Jim Goodin=20 Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 6:16 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Re: I feel like crap Kay'lon I think that everyone goes through periods of that and it's just = part of the cycle till the next wave of improvisation comes. I would = say though you can't wait on it I think you have to play everyday at = least for a period even if you don't feel in to it.=20 Another parallel. i went to hear a friends ensemble last night called = Electric Diamond in lower Manhattan. There was a violinist playing in = the ensemble that just blew me away and left me both touched and feeling = why do I even try (not my main but an instrument I continue to 'hack' = at) and yet I do. I think times like that just humble the ego but when = you sweep away the ego the desire to make music is still there in = whatever way you express. This was a remix of three tracks from = improvisations this morning that I put together for our weekend = ImprovFriday event. Jim_Goodin_Another_Window_Another_View_62312.mp3 Keep playing Kay'lon.... Jim On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Gareth Whittock = wrote: I think looping should be an option not a compulsion. I've sometimes = had to fight the temptation to hit the loop switch when it wasn't = necessarily appropriate. =20 Sometimes it's good to have a lot of looping, a little or, (dare I say = it?) none at all - it should be your servant, not your master. =20 Great servant though! peace g Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:43:55 -0700 > Subject: Re: I feel like crap > From: mattdavignon@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 >=20 > I'd say do something that's not looping. Depending too heavily on a > certain piece of gear or type of processing (such as looping) is a > common pitfall of electronic musicians. Now might be a good time to > try a new instrument, work with different sounds - try changing your > mode up a little. >=20 > If it's music in general that's not flowing, now would be a good = time > to work on the non-musical elements of being a musician. Write a bio > for yourself, build a website, research possible venues, network, = edit > some tracks, listen to your older tracks and pay attention to what = you > like/don't like about them. >=20 > On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:12 PM, kay'lon rushing = wrote: > > Im just not enjoying looping right now i feel like I've lost = creativity :p > > what to do? >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com >=20 --=20 --=20 jimgoodin.com - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive = minimalism' >From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin = & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF International Tips Across the Waters, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and = Wire Ware. ------=_NextPart_001_0012_01CD516E.5E25CB40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I concur completely.  Stops and starts in the divorce process = here are=20 quite sapping.  You can have all the songs in the world running = round your=20 head but...
 
From: Jim Goodin
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: I feel like crap
 
Kay'lon=20 I think that everyone goes through periods of that and it's just part of = the=20 cycle till the next wave of improvisation comes.  I would say = though you=20 can't wait on it I think you have to play everyday at least for a period = even if=20 you don't feel in to it.=20
 
Another parallel.  i went to hear a friends ensemble last = night called=20 Electric Diamond in lower = Manhattan.  There was a violinist playing in the ensemble that just = blew me=20 away and left me both touched and feeling why do I even try (not my main = but an=20 instrument I continue to 'hack' at) and yet I do.  I think times = like that=20 just humble the ego but when you sweep away the ego the desire to make = music is=20 still there in whatever way you express.  This was a remix of three = tracks=20 from improvisations this morning that I put together for our weekend ImprovFriday event.  Jim_Goodin_Another_Window_Another_View_62312.mp3
<= BR>Keep=20 playing Kay'lon....
 
 
Jim
 
On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Gareth = Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:
I think looping should be an option not a compulsion. = I've=20 sometimes had to fight the temptation to hit the loop switch when it = wasn't=20 necessarily appropriate. =20
Sometimes it's good to have a lot of looping, a little or, (dare = I say=20 it?) none at all - it should be your servant, not your master. =20
Great servant though!
 
peace
 
g

Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:43:55 -0700
> Subject: = Re: I=20 feel like crap
> From: mattdavignon@gmail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20

>
> I'd say do something that's not = looping.=20 Depending too heavily on a
> certain piece of gear or type of = processing=20 (such as looping) is a
> common pitfall of electronic musicians. = Now=20 might be a good time to
> try a new instrument, work with = different=20 sounds - try changing your
> mode up a little.
>
> = If it's=20 music in general that's not flowing, now would be a good time
> = to work=20 on the non-musical elements of being a musician. Write a bio
> = for=20 yourself, build a website, research possible venues, network, = edit
>=20 some tracks, listen to your older tracks and pay attention to what = you
>=20 like/don't like about them.
>
> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at = 11:12 PM,=20 kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Im just = not=20 enjoying looping right now i feel like I've lost creativity :p
> = >=20 what to do?
>
>
>
> --
> Matt=20 Davignon
> mattdavignon@gmail.com
> www.ribosomemusic.com
> Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
>=20 =


 
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jimgoodin.com -=20 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism'
 
From=20 Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim = Goodin=20 & Peter Th=F6rn.  Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF = International

Tips Across the Waters, a new app for iOS from = James=20 Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.
 
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From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <-nhFw.A.BCB.Vbg5PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 18:11:33 +0000 (UTC) Since Kay'lon is feeling non-loopy today, I figured it would be a good time to finally write this: As someone who runs a small venue, I should share that there are certain things a musician can do to make them easier to book. This is written mostly for getting shows at small venues that book new, local acts. For these, it's good to have: --A WEBSITE: This can be a bandcamp page, a soundcloud page, one of those template sites such as weebly.com, or your own standalone site. The point is to have something a booker can find on google and know it's official and reasonably up-to-date. Simple is good. Someone should be able to easily find your bio, sound samples, and photos. --BIOGRAPHY: A bio serves two purposes: 1) Encouraging venues to book you, and 2) once you are booked, providing the venue with text they can post on the show announcements to get people to come to the show. Each bio absolutely must list what instrument you play should have some sort of description of the experience a person might get from your show. Use descriptive terms instead of value terms. For example, my bio uses the words "organic" and "gloopy", but doesn't say "excellent" or "important". I'm personally fond of bios written in the third person ("Matt Davignon is..." instead of "I am..."). If you are in or have been in bands that readers may know about, it's good to list them. Do not list every single band or collaboration you've been in. If you've won a lot of awards or have played with famous people, you can include that, but if it's more than a certain percentage of your bio, it can be a turnoff. (Unless you're really famous, then it's kind of expected.) An ideal bio has both a long and short form - some venues prefer 1 paragraph, others prefer a half page. A good strategy is to write 3 or 4 paragraphs, where the first paragraph includes the description of what you do in a performance. That way a venue can copy as many paragraphs as they want. That's what I've done here: http://www.ribosomemusic.com/biography.html and my friend Agnes Szelag has done here: http://www.agnesszelag.com/bio/ --MUSIC SAMPLES: This is where the bandcamp or soundcloud page comes in. I never book a band without hearing them first. They tell me whether a band plays the kind of music that fits my venue, and that they don't totally suck. I'd say at least 4 different music samples is ideal, and they shouldn't all sound the same. I'd recommend that at least one be a live sample. --PHOTO: When I was new, I objected to the photo idea, because I didn't think music booking should be based on appearances. That's not what this is about. Venues usually don't use the photo as a reason to book you or not. Instead, venues often need something to put on their show announcements once you ARE booked. Also, if a local paper wants to do a story about you, they'll often ask for a picture. There's a minimum resolution often requested - usually at leat 300 dpi. I personally think a nice photo of you playing your instrument is better than a Hollywood-style face shot. (However, more formal music venues may prefer the face shot.) It's great that Mark Hamburg and George & Alana Wiltshire have been taking artist pictures at the Y2K looping festivals. This should be easy to find on your website. Many artists put it on their home page or their biography page. --VIDEO: This one's kind gravy, since you probably won't have it when you get started. I think it's good to have a video of you playing well, because you can include a link when you ask for shows, and it gives the venues a pretty concrete idea of what you're about. When you get your first gig or two, try to get a friend to record your set with a camera that has decent sound. (I currently use a Zoom Q3, but the Flip camera I had before works fine too. My droid phone is too shitty for this, because the sound comes out all glitchy.) The video doesn't have to be on your website. I search for artist videos on Youtube or Google (which returns youtube results). Now, none of these things by themselves will get you a gig. Venues also need to know that you exist, and that you're able to play shows. The best way to do this is to go to the video a few times when local bands you like are playing. Then, after a few visits, talk to the booker about whether you could play at their series. Payment at small local venues tends to work in one of five ways: --Free Show: Admission to the show is free. Artists do not get paid. --Door Split: The venue takes a percentage of the door income, and the rest is split between the artists. In my experience, the venue share is usually between 30% and 50%. For beginning musicians, this is usually the ideal situation. --Rental: Artists pay for the nightly rental of the venue (often $100-$150), and keep all of the income. --Artists get the top: The venue usually needs to make a certain amount to cover their nightly expenses (usually $100-$150). After that amount is made, the rest of the door income goes to the artists. If the venue doesn't make their minimum, they don't often charge you the difference, but they might not invite you to play again either. (This doesn't mean they don't like you, but it costs money to run a venue.) --Cover Charge: At bars/clubs, income is taken from the door fee (the "cover") and from drinks sold. Different bars/clubs will have different policies about how much of the cover goes to the bands, and if the bands get a percentage of profits from drink sales. By small venues, I'm thinking of cafes and art galleries that regularly have live music by local artists and touring artists who are not famous. For larger venues (where moderately-known touring indie-rock bands often play, such as San Francisco's Bottom of the Hill), they will usually need all the above, PLUS the venue will need to have some sort of faith that they will make enough money that night to cover their operating expenses. If you feel absolutely certain that 40 or more people will definitely come to your show to see you, then you're probably ready to move on to larger venues. Saying hello in person probably won't work for these venues unless they already know of you by reputation. Often these venues have booking request pages on their websites. Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 18:32:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24E17183464; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 18:32:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=sDD7f8P18h2lcj0DmT9ed4/uXImwz7ChbWYf4XaM5Ds=; b=FoXFmX51g494qr/zvc0zg96Rm0bQBQ1eWIkYPrNOHsA+Vg+U0yqIEISAxsAut2PwM2 DrDT6h/0fWtLicyO0alG6Y2tLN0kvgRIImCxu34+t/PZ0ff4tHIwlDZ0ecMVryQjq8d3 A6hgDe4M7MStw/YGzFvszEFOlRL0WUxrth99JwYVjYU1Rp3kf4TvnhuCHlvulb1IzYsT Wfaqn3KgTyqgu2RMDPNZ+T4EqbvAoBZ2SPlCP3s2/cRR1gZFSLPaLaFXvVifV5LG2Q4I c2XV5Sx2LbU70u0xms7WtBoD9/P2IRFkTDuJ0YzF+Nmwsqy26798QbeaNE7tFDAkfRnL Kvzw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 11:32:03 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: (OT) For getting gigs, each musician should have... From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0438937114e68404c327f79a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 18:32:04 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0438937114e68404c327f79a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Really usefull info. I shall out this to use :D On Jun 23, 2012 11:11 AM, "Matt Davignon" wrote: > Since Kay'lon is feeling non-loopy today, I figured it would be a good > time to finally write this: > > As someone who runs a small venue, I should share that there are > certain things a musician can do to make them easier to book. This is > written mostly for getting shows at small venues that book new, local > acts. For these, it's good to have: > > --A WEBSITE: This can be a bandcamp page, a soundcloud page, one of > those template sites such as weebly.com, or your own standalone site. > The point is to have something a booker can find on google and know > it's official and reasonably up-to-date. Simple is good. Someone > should be able to easily find your bio, sound samples, and photos. > > --BIOGRAPHY: A bio serves two purposes: 1) Encouraging venues to book > you, and 2) once you are booked, providing the venue with text they > can post on the show announcements to get people to come to the show. > Each bio absolutely must list what instrument you play should have > some sort of description of the experience a person might get from > your show. Use descriptive terms instead of value terms. For example, > my bio uses the words "organic" and "gloopy", but doesn't say > "excellent" or "important". I'm personally fond of bios written in the > third person ("Matt Davignon is..." instead of "I am..."). If you are > in or have been in bands that readers may know about, it's good to > list them. Do not list every single band or collaboration you've been > in. If you've won a lot of awards or have played with famous people, > you can include that, but if it's more than a certain percentage of > your bio, it can be a turnoff. (Unless you're really famous, then it's > kind of expected.) > > An ideal bio has both a long and short form - some venues prefer 1 > paragraph, others prefer a half page. A good strategy is to write 3 or > 4 paragraphs, where the first paragraph includes the description of > what you do in a performance. That way a venue can copy as many > paragraphs as they want. That's what I've done here: > http://www.ribosomemusic.com/biography.html and my friend Agnes Szelag > has done here: http://www.agnesszelag.com/bio/ > > --MUSIC SAMPLES: This is where the bandcamp or soundcloud page comes > in. I never book a band without hearing them first. They tell me > whether a band plays the kind of music that fits my venue, and that > they don't totally suck. I'd say at least 4 different music samples is > ideal, and they shouldn't all sound the same. I'd recommend that at > least one be a live sample. > > --PHOTO: When I was new, I objected to the photo idea, because I > didn't think music booking should be based on appearances. That's not > what this is about. Venues usually don't use the photo as a reason to > book you or not. Instead, venues often need something to put on their > show announcements once you ARE booked. Also, if a local paper wants > to do a story about you, they'll often ask for a picture. There's a > minimum resolution often requested - usually at leat 300 dpi. I > personally think a nice photo of you playing your instrument is better > than a Hollywood-style face shot. (However, more formal music venues > may prefer the face shot.) It's great that Mark Hamburg and George & > Alana Wiltshire have been taking artist pictures at the Y2K looping > festivals. This should be easy to find on your website. Many artists > put it on their home page or their biography page. > > --VIDEO: This one's kind gravy, since you probably won't have it when > you get started. I think it's good to have a video of you playing > well, because you can include a link when you ask for shows, and it > gives the venues a pretty concrete idea of what you're about. When you > get your first gig or two, try to get a friend to record your set with > a camera that has decent sound. (I currently use a Zoom Q3, but the > Flip camera I had before works fine too. My droid phone is too shitty > for this, because the sound comes out all glitchy.) The video doesn't > have to be on your website. I search for artist videos on Youtube or > Google (which returns youtube results). > > > Now, none of these things by themselves will get you a gig. Venues > also need to know that you exist, and that you're able to play shows. > The best way to do this is to go to the video a few times when local > bands you like are playing. Then, after a few visits, talk to the > booker about whether you could play at their series. > > Payment at small local venues tends to work in one of five ways: > --Free Show: Admission to the show is free. Artists do not get paid. > --Door Split: The venue takes a percentage of the door income, and the > rest is split between the artists. In my experience, the venue share > is usually between 30% and 50%. For beginning musicians, this is > usually the ideal situation. > --Rental: Artists pay for the nightly rental of the venue (often > $100-$150), and keep all of the income. > --Artists get the top: The venue usually needs to make a certain > amount to cover their nightly expenses (usually $100-$150). After that > amount is made, the rest of the door income goes to the artists. If > the venue doesn't make their minimum, they don't often charge you the > difference, but they might not invite you to play again either. (This > doesn't mean they don't like you, but it costs money to run a venue.) > --Cover Charge: At bars/clubs, income is taken from the door fee (the > "cover") and from drinks sold. Different bars/clubs will have > different policies about how much of the cover goes to the bands, and > if the bands get a percentage of profits from drink sales. > > By small venues, I'm thinking of cafes and art galleries that > regularly have live music by local artists and touring artists who are > not famous. > > For larger venues (where moderately-known touring indie-rock bands > often play, such as San Francisco's Bottom of the Hill), they will > usually need all the above, PLUS the venue will need to have some sort > of faith that they will make enough money that night to cover their > operating expenses. If you feel absolutely certain that 40 or more > people will definitely come to your show to see you, then you're > probably ready to move on to larger venues. Saying hello in person > probably won't work for these venues unless they already know of you > by reputation. Often these venues have booking request pages on their > websites. > > > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > > --f46d0438937114e68404c327f79a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Really usefull info. I shall out this to use :D

On Jun 23, 2012 11:11 AM, "Matt Davignon&qu= ot; <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:
Since Kay'lon is feeling non-loopy today, I figured it would be a good<= br> time to finally write this:

As someone who runs a small venue, I should share that there are
certain things a musician can do to make them easier to book. This is
written mostly for getting shows at small venues that book new, local
acts. For these, it's good to have:

--A WEBSITE: This can be a bandcamp page, a soundcloud page, one of
those template sites such as weebly.com, or your own standalone site.
The point is to have something a booker can find on google and know
it's official and reasonably up-to-date. Simple is good. Someone
should be able to easily find your bio, sound samples, and photos.

--BIOGRAPHY: A bio serves two purposes: 1) Encouraging venues to book
you, and 2) once you are booked, providing the venue with text they
can post on the show announcements to get people to come to the show.
Each bio absolutely must list what instrument you play should have
some sort of description of the experience a person might get from
your show. Use descriptive terms instead of value terms. For example,
my bio uses the words "organic" and "gloopy", but doesn= 't say
"excellent" or "important". I'm personally fond of = bios written in the
third person ("Matt Davignon is..." instead of "I am..."= ;). If you are
in or have been in bands that readers may know about, it's good to
list them. Do not list every single band or collaboration you've been in. If you've won a lot of awards or have played with famous people, you can include that, but if it's more than a certain percentage of
your bio, it can be a turnoff. (Unless you're really famous, then it= 9;s
kind of expected.)

An ideal bio has both a long and short form - some venues prefer 1
paragraph, others prefer a half page. A good strategy is to write 3 or
4 paragraphs, where the first paragraph includes the description of
what you do in a performance. That way a venue can copy as many
paragraphs as they want. That's what I've done here:
h= ttp://www.ribosomemusic.com/biography.html and my friend Agnes Szelag has done here: http://www.agnesszelag.com/bio/

--MUSIC SAMPLES: This is where the bandcamp or soundcloud page comes
in. I never book a band without hearing them first. They tell me
whether a band plays the kind of music that fits my venue, and that
they don't totally suck. I'd say at least 4 different music samples= is
ideal, and they shouldn't all sound the same. I'd recommend that at=
least one be a live sample.

--PHOTO: When I was new, I objected to the photo idea, because I
didn't think music booking should be based on appearances. That's n= ot
what this is about. Venues usually don't use the photo as a reason to book you or not. Instead, venues often need something to put on their
show announcements once you ARE booked. Also, if a local paper wants
to do a story about you, they'll often ask for a picture. There's a=
minimum resolution often requested - usually at leat 300 dpi. I
personally think a nice photo of you playing your instrument is better
than a Hollywood-style face shot. (However, more formal music venues
may prefer the face shot.) It's great that Mark Hamburg and George &= ;
Alana Wiltshire have been taking artist pictures at the Y2K looping
festivals. This should be easy to find on your website. Many artists
put it on their home page or their biography page.

--VIDEO: This one's kind gravy, since you probably won't have it wh= en
you get started. I think it's good to have a video of you playing
well, because you can include a link when you ask for shows, and it
gives the venues a pretty concrete idea of what you're about. When you<= br> get your first gig or two, try to get a friend to record your set with
a camera that has decent sound. (I currently use a Zoom Q3, but the
Flip camera I had before works fine too. My droid phone is too shitty
for this, because the sound comes out all glitchy.) The video doesn't have to be on your website. I search for artist videos on Youtube or
Google (which returns youtube results).


Now, none of these things by themselves will get you a gig. Venues
also need to know that you exist, and that you're able to play shows. The best way to do this is to go to the video a few times when local
bands you like are playing. Then, after a few visits, talk to the
booker about whether you could play at their series.

Payment at small local venues tends to work in one of five ways:
--Free Show: Admission to the show is free. Artists do not get paid.
--Door Split: The venue takes a percentage of the door income, and the
rest is split between the artists. In my experience, the venue share
is usually between 30% and 50%. For beginning musicians, this is
usually the ideal situation.
--Rental: Artists pay for the nightly rental of the venue (often
$100-$150), and keep all of the income.
--Artists get the top: The venue usually needs to make a certain
amount to cover their nightly expenses (usually $100-$150). After that
amount is made, the rest of the door income goes to the artists. If
the venue doesn't make their minimum, they don't often charge you t= he
difference, but they might not invite you to play again either. (This
doesn't mean they don't like you, but it costs money to run a venue= .)
--Cover Charge: At bars/clubs, income is taken from the door fee (the
"cover") and from drinks sold. Different bars/clubs will have
different policies about how much of the cover goes to the bands, and
if the bands get a percentage of profits from drink sales.

By small venues, I'm thinking of cafes and art galleries that
regularly have live music by local artists and touring artists who are
not famous.

For larger venues (where moderately-known touring indie-rock bands
often play, such as San Francisco's Bottom of the Hill), they will
usually need all the above, PLUS the venue will need to have some sort
of faith that they will make enough money that night to cover their
operating expenses. If you feel absolutely certain that 40 or more
people will definitely come to your show to see you, then you're
probably ready to move on to larger venues. Saying hello in person
probably won't work for these venues unless they already know of you by reputation. Often these venues have booking request pages on their
websites.


Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusi= c.com
Podcast! ht= tp://ribosomematt.podomatic.com

--f46d0438937114e68404c327f79a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 24 09:05:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 095E9183455; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 09:05:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: Wii VST? Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:05:34 +0200 Message-ID: <000301cd51e8$849c9810$8dd5c830$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01CD51F9.48256810" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1R6IPIv29zuQUTS0eh1LZ6EOk+kg== Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: <6MDPxD.A.BBH.jht5PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 09:05:39 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CD51F9.48256810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable does anyone know if there is a VST that can utilize a Wii and turn it = into a midi controller? -Michael =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CD51F9.48256810 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

does anyone know if there is a VST = that can utilize a Wii and turn it into a = midi controller?=C2=A0 = -Michael=

 

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CD51F9.48256810-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 24 10:49:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D39818345B; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:49:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=1svy7Tybi7B/fL/fgsRVN4bzKk3KQRT3/JdMU516WCg=; b=L3ynqSzli5JCGo/1Ed0yiAb3fk2RKn/x3+X08+4OfC5NyswziXZEx2NE/NhBSRJ35O 0bafXYy4iI5rGMp2mr3JZh7D3/tURPdxu0ZgGWq63/5GW3nDNBjO5s3Zq8VOYMZqezAp SoSqKp3MJKlb0uC6Wex1wIA0Tf4xt9G9wP53u269NcP3MdCZBMNFZbnJQF5+qboAH22b NwumiRHoSwowEpMTAikeJ+qxBbkuDYFTL+4IV9LNnpzBVu2L3tZ/8EDGpiIJkfUk50uO OtWxNa0AMcgYve/oxAP99CRnYX9c3Q4/ar837gGB00oYM64dutzWvnDJNUsMgYyZvYCz Pjgw== Subject: Re: Wii VST? References: <000301cd51e8$849c9810$8dd5c830$@de> From: Todd Reynolds Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-A2914BE0-E97D-4E84-A6FE-2FA4772468CE X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: <000301cd51e8$849c9810$8dd5c830$@de> Message-Id: <51A8BC38-FFE5-42DB-9919-54A097150090@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 06:49:33 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:49:37 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-A2914BE0-E97D-4E84-A6FE-2FA4772468CE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hmmm. I don't know a specific VST but using Max for Live one can build one q= uite easily. =20 Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2012, at 5:05 AM, "Michael Peters" wrote: > does anyone know if there is a VST that can utilize a Wii and turn it into= a midi controller? -Michael > =20 --Apple-Mail-A2914BE0-E97D-4E84-A6FE-2FA4772468CE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Hmmm. I don't know a specific VST but  using Max for Live one can build one quite easily.  

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 24, 2012, at 5:05 AM, "Michael Peters" <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:

does anyone know if there is a VST that can utilize a Wii and turn it into a midi controller?  -Michael

 

--Apple-Mail-A2914BE0-E97D-4E84-A6FE-2FA4772468CE-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 24 11:02:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5B1F18345E; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:02:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XGFr3lQr0zwVyraK3hKIPKdIpz3ROWnBMrSjM3v2Cko=; b=Rb7xtxW/s66Cyqm4PJKVsTWjWCz162aVqIUpy6Z6GwFCgLbjGmlE0cMwIoEdJTIztI CNTxZ9aLYCm/j1Gu4DDKhzCJngv1I+3Ld+BVocRAw9yGQmQq5M/ba0H0IljHDOaME0HU 9LZIdLbxdPGy1u1o5+1jpiE3pcKgcw44DCkPssMKIqLrlliJHffw3GtWw8s28WEohhn6 V3mQO/ZYyi/7rJqppMk84dZkeCU2BW1VqoXUUHt4WrZWNrDSFTQEUbQK/sZ2Ivi5YEXQ Y4CzzZeYWhtJnY5la3r7chHaZO79HwDHFkT06U7Nt+KyHwfHkeM4Ey4PcDp7NrFFlKaa /TTA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <51A8BC38-FFE5-42DB-9919-54A097150090@gmail.com> References: <000301cd51e8$849c9810$8dd5c830$@de> <51A8BC38-FFE5-42DB-9919-54A097150090@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 12:02:37 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Wii VST? From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:02:38 +0000 (UTC) I built a Wii device for M4L On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Todd Reynolds wrote: > Hmmm. I don't know a specific VST but =A0using Max for Live one can build= one > quite easily. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 24, 2012, at 5:05 AM, "Michael Peters" wrote: > > does anyone know if there is a VST that can utilize a Wii and turn it int= o a > midi controller?=A0 -Michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 24 11:17:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F29418345C; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:17:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3ltWAI5hW9zC7/TQlJEKIJi9U0rPQZZvyvMgTFvAzVM=; b=JKzt2YKLm+dLLZAvKbeAEUiCwIxYKItAfD9+tpcSTfr9/raZ7g5wQK+xS13oev+2gA Ja3PLcxIhQjKyZ5cMNmrGJ0wSjORxcQmrheK1UdrKzr0+qjOliNNQBYKg/fR0LokHXua WljEc5cg/RjqRFaILCaXQ26QHvkRe3cicLpVIGIuv6mHAQAhsSP490IKRLSQiUH1lU2O 6Hw5EnZkS1M5lh8CTTdiG6PB/P6g8lLsZJV/jk4jroOR/KgeIkZCpUn7KhCuxmgv76T7 L7cPKVrwU+y/jN7zzr8R0h4Clabnq3QK1ByqY+7oG1ZbSsKYhJF6xTC2hcSZrjjmL11Y CmvA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <000301cd51e8$849c9810$8dd5c830$@de> <51A8BC38-FFE5-42DB-9919-54A097150090@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:17:42 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Wii VST? From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30050c3097101a04c3360383 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:17:43 +0000 (UTC) --20cf30050c3097101a04c3360383 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I believe osculator will do that for you. Sylvain On Sunday, June 24, 2012, Ricky Graham wrote: > I built a Wii device for M4L > > On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Todd Reynolds > > wrote: > > Hmmm. I don't know a specific VST but using Max for Live one can build > one > > quite easily. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jun 24, 2012, at 5:05 AM, "Michael Peters" > > wrote: > > > > does anyone know if there is a VST that can utilize a Wii and turn it > into a > > midi controller? -Michael > > > > > > --20cf30050c3097101a04c3360383 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I believe osculator will do that for you.
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On Sunday, June 24, 2012, Ricky Graham wrote:
I built a Wii device for M4L

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Todd Reynolds <toddr= eyn@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmmm. I don't know a specific VST but =A0using Max for Live one ca= n build one
> quite easily.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 24, 2012, at 5:05 AM, "Michael Peters" <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:
>
> does anyone know if there is a VST that can utilize a Wii and turn it = into a
> midi controller?=A0 -Michael
>
>

--20cf30050c3097101a04c3360383-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 24 11:32:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3354B18345D; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:32:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wYq9mrvQavttR+3BnaKFvICCymUdBhV5X8SLy3aeHAs=; b=ZGWuPsKbd+k7J9DWnqSb1TVNcMU/dP8qgLk+eCek4HWxU/t5z++vCUS+X7AXqo4ATX r6CbNpVVQli7eICVGg7IV4jfvfYvy2nkoPo4ybRHalaWz9ra7+hOg9b+T35IoQ1YrNO8 d6JS4UYddcC94TmvTCWZ9aoKI6K5C6/6xYBW1ztE8Q4Xr8cScK7c/4AP0hv1tq2j68rT g/lXq/zrjq0NlpTkPN152NwlZ0co1LCmcfZsBpS1qaLozvhdvumpSbQ8z2it2xk3WTJq Vnbf6swddy3GMLzdkrA0iS6gdkYA6nQ25kF2QZ9C5y5QSyWOjcARsmBpQXUOi0d5zRmz wRwQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <000301cd51e8$849c9810$8dd5c830$@de> References: <000301cd51e8$849c9810$8dd5c830$@de> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:32:21 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Wii VST? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <78EW5.A.YU.Frv5PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:32:22 +0000 (UTC) Not that I've heard of. But I know the looper application Logeloop (Mac) is designed to work with Wii. And then there are "translators" like Max for Live patches. A quick search brought up a handful: http://www.maxforlive.com/library/index.php?by=3Dany&q=3DWii&submit=3DSearc= h Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > does anyone know if there is a VST that can utilize a Wii and turn it int= o a > midi controller?=C2=A0 -Michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 24 18:13:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32C1818345B; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:13:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 935530.8363.bm@omp1011.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1340561583; bh=g+6Q98pSlPhB46YyCq6CmKOFzvsVFxfGrUYEQJblHb4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer; b=ZJdiAsHJ3qcwjgN0yNWGRp55QDa8LsgHwr2BHaPMsE5bOXxVOyxZcYrOwBsL1DzbfSoWRU7a3Txtr0f+dvX6POy2WVjZQo3j3HAZEtge0wE6DMcKSbbSeoil2zOGtdGzBjGtb7gjaQobb9KGfBt5yAHFHyMWHuCs5368COIHaSA= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: P3HMWiAVM1m4Tjzrn.kL.9aK3AFO6NDsY8NqrQCZ3SXxoQ0 5g9STnfr30x8WDm22kOAbwaGZXMEwAov0vjUgN7wQvj9ksCgW3BUhwLYqErj ztzZoDW8F78IpFjwjEHpLHIz9omPMZyHfU817YHGfArrf0o6gjEICp7M38e6 olY2iptV7JW4RORdk1hQsH0a31B66yluKpbISxTqrmGWl8OxPkfLxacYLnZb UZT8lepXgPDGMvVDZclSsgGJl_guokhzudDpBY5TL5hU5UOLwO8Ii_LsXNty uI_bGoFLZP.p.JrQ5NUwXy0LnEDqz5fzMnZ5HVRuqLFS8wMTjShXEQsyOwhe tZICpjm_GN73..3j4kvAaTQbvJdccJgMUtA8sNX4vg0NpdferWN1qYi4USAX B1uBMVU9543F6eLQuBfV_myo3Iqbd3n0eNSxbuuzpgQNIR0_qMM90CbIlwpx jciGgii7tX2th88aYHI_mOMJ7Cm7wSd4uJ3tctQiXuqYLwc0qjps.VoUOkUh bn6NQHG6gUkVJERl4YkKvwJH6dUgDUVjcMeDql3p2jX81ZAzU34fewB_ighM qZkbBoIM1sXnz_BRv5NwTRPq.LXw6u96JF85j2uXxjqVRo8b3cngLqYjoejf G72vt X-Yahoo-SMTP: ILs26NSswBDuK82.iJb8TCN7cubm0SmUbZYidhSBIQ-- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Subject: Re: (OT) For getting gigs, each musician should have... From: Laurie Amat In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:13:03 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <56E4D169-7375-4BA3-8121-76B92FA3265F@att.net> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:13:05 +0000 (UTC) Nice Matt. Clear and good. On Jun 23, 2012, at 11:11 AM, Matt Davignon wrote: > Since Kay'lon is feeling non-loopy today, I figured it would be a good > time to finally write this: > > As someone who runs a small venue, I should share that there are > certain things a musician can do to make them easier to book. This is > written mostly for getting shows at small venues that book new, local > acts. For these, it's good to have: > > --A WEBSITE: This can be a bandcamp page, a soundcloud page, one of > those template sites such as weebly.com, or your own standalone site. > The point is to have something a booker can find on google and know > it's official and reasonably up-to-date. Simple is good. Someone > should be able to easily find your bio, sound samples, and photos. > > --BIOGRAPHY: A bio serves two purposes: 1) Encouraging venues to book > you, and 2) once you are booked, providing the venue with text they > can post on the show announcements to get people to come to the show. > Each bio absolutely must list what instrument you play should have > some sort of description of the experience a person might get from > your show. Use descriptive terms instead of value terms. For example, > my bio uses the words "organic" and "gloopy", but doesn't say > "excellent" or "important". I'm personally fond of bios written in the > third person ("Matt Davignon is..." instead of "I am..."). If you are > in or have been in bands that readers may know about, it's good to > list them. Do not list every single band or collaboration you've been > in. If you've won a lot of awards or have played with famous people, > you can include that, but if it's more than a certain percentage of > your bio, it can be a turnoff. (Unless you're really famous, then it's > kind of expected.) > > An ideal bio has both a long and short form - some venues prefer 1 > paragraph, others prefer a half page. A good strategy is to write 3 or > 4 paragraphs, where the first paragraph includes the description of > what you do in a performance. That way a venue can copy as many > paragraphs as they want. That's what I've done here: > http://www.ribosomemusic.com/biography.html and my friend Agnes Szelag > has done here: http://www.agnesszelag.com/bio/ > > --MUSIC SAMPLES: This is where the bandcamp or soundcloud page comes > in. I never book a band without hearing them first. They tell me > whether a band plays the kind of music that fits my venue, and that > they don't totally suck. I'd say at least 4 different music samples is > ideal, and they shouldn't all sound the same. I'd recommend that at > least one be a live sample. > > --PHOTO: When I was new, I objected to the photo idea, because I > didn't think music booking should be based on appearances. That's not > what this is about. Venues usually don't use the photo as a reason to > book you or not. Instead, venues often need something to put on their > show announcements once you ARE booked. Also, if a local paper wants > to do a story about you, they'll often ask for a picture. There's a > minimum resolution often requested - usually at leat 300 dpi. I > personally think a nice photo of you playing your instrument is better > than a Hollywood-style face shot. (However, more formal music venues > may prefer the face shot.) It's great that Mark Hamburg and George & > Alana Wiltshire have been taking artist pictures at the Y2K looping > festivals. This should be easy to find on your website. Many artists > put it on their home page or their biography page. > > --VIDEO: This one's kind gravy, since you probably won't have it when > you get started. I think it's good to have a video of you playing > well, because you can include a link when you ask for shows, and it > gives the venues a pretty concrete idea of what you're about. When you > get your first gig or two, try to get a friend to record your set with > a camera that has decent sound. (I currently use a Zoom Q3, but the > Flip camera I had before works fine too. My droid phone is too shitty > for this, because the sound comes out all glitchy.) The video doesn't > have to be on your website. I search for artist videos on Youtube or > Google (which returns youtube results). > > > Now, none of these things by themselves will get you a gig. Venues > also need to know that you exist, and that you're able to play shows. > The best way to do this is to go to the video a few times when local > bands you like are playing. Then, after a few visits, talk to the > booker about whether you could play at their series. > > Payment at small local venues tends to work in one of five ways: > --Free Show: Admission to the show is free. Artists do not get paid. > --Door Split: The venue takes a percentage of the door income, and the > rest is split between the artists. In my experience, the venue share > is usually between 30% and 50%. For beginning musicians, this is > usually the ideal situation. > --Rental: Artists pay for the nightly rental of the venue (often > $100-$150), and keep all of the income. > --Artists get the top: The venue usually needs to make a certain > amount to cover their nightly expenses (usually $100-$150). After that > amount is made, the rest of the door income goes to the artists. If > the venue doesn't make their minimum, they don't often charge you the > difference, but they might not invite you to play again either. (This > doesn't mean they don't like you, but it costs money to run a venue.) > --Cover Charge: At bars/clubs, income is taken from the door fee (the > "cover") and from drinks sold. Different bars/clubs will have > different policies about how much of the cover goes to the bands, and > if the bands get a percentage of profits from drink sales. > > By small venues, I'm thinking of cafes and art galleries that > regularly have live music by local artists and touring artists who are > not famous. > > For larger venues (where moderately-known touring indie-rock bands > often play, such as San Francisco's Bottom of the Hill), they will > usually need all the above, PLUS the venue will need to have some sort > of faith that they will make enough money that night to cover their > operating expenses. If you feel absolutely certain that 40 or more > people will definitely come to your show to see you, then you're > probably ready to move on to larger venues. Saying hello in person > probably won't work for these venues unless they already know of you > by reputation. Often these venues have booking request pages on their > websites. > > > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 24 20:27:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC99018345C; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 20:27:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=O2aM25u1IvpKmZPYb9tIKooO84x/HZUQvitNUdDE3Bc=; b=wBBow3bCSI3n1Kqs7SPwy2jK3naEZRT56dkd7Er3AO+DSVAKlVXy3JZwSbmcJd2KoW hwuxPxFYUhpcSTcNG2ooSaRDWnVx1PesoCZgED5HpP6iedlUZrOrDwlVzwOEx7GkHT6e Ocma3cofOzzJ3y2KI1Kg7wMs/5VXVOdxyu5vHN/JWhipOyDx3BunvkhYdRUtqakQREyI I5MT6Nc+zkO4AV0+n6hrHYipgUPOrHbzOMmbINfzlC8QH+4VEZBsPLQedTibwhTm1P4Q UbyU7XlJmD6Ukdsdy8IP0EUiG9MBGWNrM2CKtP/mD/yz6vyhdI5GJD1f1ARlR2nenNnr Qm7w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: todd reynolds Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:26:19 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Awesome looping song!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0401faedfce2f204c33dafbc Resent-Message-ID: <0LR2lD.A.y1D.Vg35PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 20:27:01 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0401faedfce2f204c33dafbc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Jeff, Sitting here with Todd Matthews. (looping, of course, grin) and he just recalled this to my attention. We watched together, then took out razor blades to slit our wrists in ensemble. Then thought better of it, cuz we didn't want you to feel guilty. Your understanding of the Mellotron has already been taken to task by others, so we'll stay away from that subject by miles=85 not Miles. Thank you, thank you=85 t. On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:30 AM, Z wrote: > it doesn't use a 'physical' loop, but as it rewinds the tape between each > note it actually will sound as if ;) > > > > Le 21 juin 2012 =E0 09:03, Johannes Korn a > =E9crit : > > Sorry to disappoint you, but a Melltron doesn't use tape loops :-) > > 2012/6/21 Jeff Larson > >> >> Hey I just discovered this awesome song! It uses a Mellotron so it's >> looping! >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DCZYNA6qUNTE >> >> >> ;-) >> > > > > -- > jenko.nashorn@googlemail.com > http://soundcloud.com/jenko-nashorn > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =95 *The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011* - Amazon.com =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://toddreynolds.com http://twitter.com/digifiddler http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://facebook.com/toddreynolds http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds need me right away? Call or text me at 917.576.6166 --f46d0401faedfce2f204c33dafbc Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Jeff,=A0

Sitting here with Todd Matthews. =A0(loopi= ng, of course, grin) and he just recalled this to my attention. =A0We watch= ed together, then took out razor blades to slit our wrists in ensemble. =A0= Then thought better of it, cuz we didn't want you to feel guilty. =A0

Your understanding of the Mellotron has already been ta= ken to task by others, so we'll stay away from that subject by miles=85= not Miles. =A0

Thank you, thank you=85=A0

t.


On Thu, Jun 21, = 2012 at 3:30 AM, Z <zzz@zzz.ch> wrote:
it doesn't use a 'physical' loop,= but as it rewinds the tape between each note it actually will sound as if = ;)



Le 21 juin 2012 =E0 09:03, Johannes Korn <<= a href=3D"mailto:jenko.nashorn@googlemail.com" target=3D"_blank">jenko.nash= orn@googlemail.com> a =E9crit=A0:

= Sorry to disappoint you, but a Melltron doesn't use tape loops :-)
<= br>
2012/6/21 Jeff Larson <<= a href=3D"mailto:jeff.larson@sailpoint.com" target=3D"_blank">jeff.larson@s= ailpoint.com>

Hey I just discovered this awesome song! =A0It uses a Mellotron so it&= #39;s looping!



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=95=A0Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now avail= able wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however!=A0=

need me right away? =A0Call or text me at 917.576.6166



--f46d0401faedfce2f204c33dafbc-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 24 22:32:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EF6718345D; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 22:32:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FE79589.7070700@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:32:41 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: (OT) For getting gigs, each musician should have... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 22:32:49 +0000 (UTC) I did a lot of work as a music business consultant in the late 80's and early 90's because of the incredibly DIY success of my new wave band, Tao Chemical. I have to commend you, Matt on this advice here: it is completely spot on, well organized and succinct. With your permission, I'd love to keep a copy of this (credited, of course) the next time a young artist asks me for booking advice. much respect, Rick Walker > On Jun 23, 2012 11:11 AM, "Matt Davignon" > wrote: > > Since Kay'lon is feeling non-loopy today, I figured it would be a good > time to finally write this: > > As someone who runs a small venue, I should share that there are > certain things a musician can do to make them easier to book. This is > written mostly for getting shows at small venues that book new, local > acts. For these, it's good to have: > > --A WEBSITE: This can be a bandcamp page, a soundcloud page, one of > those template sites such as weebly.com , or > your own standalone site. > The point is to have something a booker can find on google and know > it's official and reasonably up-to-date. Simple is good. Someone > should be able to easily find your bio, sound samples, and photos. > > --BIOGRAPHY: A bio serves two purposes: 1) Encouraging venues to book > you, and 2) once you are booked, providing the venue with text they > can post on the show announcements to get people to come to the show. > Each bio absolutely must list what instrument you play should have > some sort of description of the experience a person might get from > your show. Use descriptive terms instead of value terms. For example, > my bio uses the words "organic" and "gloopy", but doesn't say > "excellent" or "important". I'm personally fond of bios written in the > third person ("Matt Davignon is..." instead of "I am..."). If you are > in or have been in bands that readers may know about, it's good to > list them. Do not list every single band or collaboration you've been > in. If you've won a lot of awards or have played with famous people, > you can include that, but if it's more than a certain percentage of > your bio, it can be a turnoff. (Unless you're really famous, then it's > kind of expected.) > > An ideal bio has both a long and short form - some venues prefer 1 > paragraph, others prefer a half page. A good strategy is to write 3 or > 4 paragraphs, where the first paragraph includes the description of > what you do in a performance. That way a venue can copy as many > paragraphs as they want. That's what I've done here: > http://www.ribosomemusic.com/biography.html and my friend Agnes Szelag > has done here: http://www.agnesszelag.com/bio/ > > --MUSIC SAMPLES: This is where the bandcamp or soundcloud page comes > in. I never book a band without hearing them first. They tell me > whether a band plays the kind of music that fits my venue, and that > they don't totally suck. I'd say at least 4 different music samples is > ideal, and they shouldn't all sound the same. I'd recommend that at > least one be a live sample. > > --PHOTO: When I was new, I objected to the photo idea, because I > didn't think music booking should be based on appearances. That's not > what this is about. Venues usually don't use the photo as a reason to > book you or not. Instead, venues often need something to put on their > show announcements once you ARE booked. Also, if a local paper wants > to do a story about you, they'll often ask for a picture. There's a > minimum resolution often requested - usually at leat 300 dpi. I > personally think a nice photo of you playing your instrument is better > than a Hollywood-style face shot. (However, more formal music venues > may prefer the face shot.) It's great that Mark Hamburg and George & > Alana Wiltshire have been taking artist pictures at the Y2K looping > festivals. This should be easy to find on your website. Many artists > put it on their home page or their biography page. > > --VIDEO: This one's kind gravy, since you probably won't have it when > you get started. I think it's good to have a video of you playing > well, because you can include a link when you ask for shows, and it > gives the venues a pretty concrete idea of what you're about. When you > get your first gig or two, try to get a friend to record your set with > a camera that has decent sound. (I currently use a Zoom Q3, but the > Flip camera I had before works fine too. My droid phone is too shitty > for this, because the sound comes out all glitchy.) The video doesn't > have to be on your website. I search for artist videos on Youtube or > Google (which returns youtube results). > > > Now, none of these things by themselves will get you a gig. Venues > also need to know that you exist, and that you're able to play shows. > The best way to do this is to go to the video a few times when local > bands you like are playing. Then, after a few visits, talk to the > booker about whether you could play at their series. > > Payment at small local venues tends to work in one of five ways: > --Free Show: Admission to the show is free. Artists do not get paid. > --Door Split: The venue takes a percentage of the door income, and the > rest is split between the artists. In my experience, the venue share > is usually between 30% and 50%. For beginning musicians, this is > usually the ideal situation. > --Rental: Artists pay for the nightly rental of the venue (often > $100-$150), and keep all of the income. > --Artists get the top: The venue usually needs to make a certain > amount to cover their nightly expenses (usually $100-$150). After that > amount is made, the rest of the door income goes to the artists. If > the venue doesn't make their minimum, they don't often charge you the > difference, but they might not invite you to play again either. (This > doesn't mean they don't like you, but it costs money to run a venue.) > --Cover Charge: At bars/clubs, income is taken from the door fee (the > "cover") and from drinks sold. Different bars/clubs will have > different policies about how much of the cover goes to the bands, and > if the bands get a percentage of profits from drink sales. > > By small venues, I'm thinking of cafes and art galleries that > regularly have live music by local artists and touring artists who are > not famous. > > For larger venues (where moderately-known touring indie-rock bands > often play, such as San Francisco's Bottom of the Hill), they will > usually need all the above, PLUS the venue will need to have some sort > of faith that they will make enough money that night to cover their > operating expenses. If you feel absolutely certain that 40 or more > people will definitely come to your show to see you, then you're > probably ready to move on to larger venues. Saying hello in person > probably won't work for these venues unless they already know of you > by reputation. Often these venues have booking request pages on their > websites. > > > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 24 22:37:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 665E918345E; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 22:37:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <4FE79589.7070700@cruzio.com> References: <4FE79589.7070700@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <17F836C2-2058-4B66-BF12-4FE65F09B5A3@ubergadget.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Revfever Subject: Re: (OT) For getting gigs, each musician should have... Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:37:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 22:37:13 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 24, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > incredibly DIY success of my new wave band, Tao Chemical. Great band name! Excellent! :-) Cheers- Rev.Fever Portlandia http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 24 23:15:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2ECC6183461; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 23:15:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=I8Pe4Y+LpuRk9UkRFrxDoi98BXdX55rfxzcfC00Kn3A=; b=iS0cXrMOoFuHrp7PUNJEO7TnkYy0IobUGtKZj3Ifpg9JMWxMhYD3q1/6IWl28K5CcN SnRW+siABBVrAx1Tfl0lhilevW7gPnP3WXNk3a65bVK6PRRiOAxbB5WObHDkV2EQ5CWN IQS0WBx4mADeTphkXvecYdA9GbHldEdCbbTs8sEnMP7cgCfKBvX3VQniagbNoC3W9+gt +/zqD0sMBT/9Na5OIS0yg4q3AbfakadUW5NI1MQ9JJmnpZLvDNxO/bMa598Hl5DciClE B5Kmz7lCeTATsLvAmuphBtxJvJDcTP9shJUcUEiYaTsDYmGsPRxLGtF4l36cG1JjfUlS lL/w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 19:15:01 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Awesome looping song!!! From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3071c798e6b97404c34008b5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 23:15:02 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3071c798e6b97404c34008b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Boy that's a young Paul Anka! The scary thing is I remember that and that song on 70's radio (pre-Internet kids!). Pretty funny response Todd, love the raiser blades. Before I watched the video and saw the blurb about mellotron I was thinking tape, cutting tape.... Pretty entertaining thread.. Next we'll have Neil Sadaka singing 'Breaking Up Is Hard to Do' with... Jim On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 4:26 PM, todd reynolds wrote: > Dear Jeff, > > Sitting here with Todd Matthews. (looping, of course, grin) and he just > recalled this to my attention. We watched together, then took out razor > blades to slit our wrists in ensemble. Then thought better of it, cuz we > didn't want you to feel guilty. > > Your understanding of the Mellotron has already been taken to task by > others, so we'll stay away from that subject by miles=85 not Miles. > > Thank you, thank you=85 > > t. > > > On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:30 AM, Z wrote: > >> it doesn't use a 'physical' loop, but as it rewinds the tape between eac= h >> note it actually will sound as if ;) >> >> >> >> Le 21 juin 2012 =E0 09:03, Johannes Korn = a >> =E9crit : >> >> Sorry to disappoint you, but a Melltron doesn't use tape loops :-) >> >> 2012/6/21 Jeff Larson >> >>> >>> Hey I just discovered this awesome song! It uses a Mellotron so it's >>> looping! >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DCZYNA6qUNTE >>> >>> >>> ;-) >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> jenko.nashorn@googlemail.com >> http://soundcloud.com/jenko-nashorn >> >> > > > -- > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =95 *The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011* - Amazon.com > > =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wherever > music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > http://toddreynolds.com > http://twitter.com/digifiddler > http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic > http://blog.toddreynolds.com > http://facebook.com/toddreynolds > http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds > > need me right away? Call or text me at 917.576.6166 > > > > --=20 --=20 *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism' *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit *JDRF International * *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. --20cf3071c798e6b97404c34008b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Boy that's a young Paul Anka! =A0The scary thing is I remember that and= that song on 70's radio (pre-Internet kids!). =A0Pretty funny response= Todd, love the raiser blades. =A0Before I watched the video and saw the bl= urb about mellotron I was thinking tape, cutting tape.... Pretty entertaini= ng thread.. =A0Next we'll have Neil Sadaka singing 'Breaking Up Is = Hard to Do' with...

Jim

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 a= t 4:26 PM, todd reynolds <toddreyn@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Jeff,=A0

Sitting here with Todd Matthews. =A0(loopi= ng, of course, grin) and he just recalled this to my attention. =A0We watch= ed together, then took out razor blades to slit our wrists in ensemble. =A0= Then thought better of it, cuz we didn't want you to feel guilty. =A0

Your understanding of the Mellotron has already been ta= ken to task by others, so we'll stay away from that subject by miles=85= not Miles. =A0

Thank you, thank you=85=A0

t.


On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:30 AM, Z <zzz@zzz.ch> wrote:
it doesn't use a 'physical' loop,= but as it rewinds the tape between each note it actually will sound as if = ;)



Le 21 juin 2012 =E0 09:03, Johannes Korn <<= a href=3D"mailto:jenko.nashorn@googlemail.com" target=3D"_blank">jenko.nash= orn@googlemail.com> a =E9crit=A0:




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=95=A0Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now avail= able wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however!=A0=

need me right away? =A0Call or text me at 917.576.6166






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jimgoodin.com= - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minima= lism'
=A0
From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz= recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will= benefit JDRF Internation= al

Tips Across the Waters, a= new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

--20cf3071c798e6b97404c34008b5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 00:21:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3532183460; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 00:21:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 186234.87068.bm@omp1022.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1340583658; bh=VfjlXWchrNS1ln+XRBZBNvbYtfyPAVxcL0gPHhM1nTI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dI/03YXqSgz/1Wp379DU1aCuuGlCiI7sKrsX7MHJtiRPWvXgATv7XUyYDVMJxnMQ+eL5HPl3ivG4WQJOeWQD7szBAqOheh7Uljy/OMLp/+kDm9x4bPRZloZvOmsF4ujXpZDMVYpkqpaGOrpdhOYEl766xMh4BsTmxhh4SYf2hEQ= X-YMail-OSG: TYTUp0kVM1mKFbnlHh9zI7KMZMJ23dTnqKfeiC5dpbj2GHu YBytNNR.lChCz_ZhMSCUo9CMSLP5aJwGiHEXzU6bgBXCv4RxmgaB.kpGC_MG kzfH2PITRG2aYhWlOtrB2_AWIDM76f..nTKHHuhZnpH4W56dNLkQaJFq5x8l J04fHvopnv.Gl6LLx_TkADsPMEC2wWym9iwT5yic3mldSDqvRcht5TURGDXp nbZreenx95.gjItqc4LpdcfcP34Tl5pFQFCWmnOlwkjuZ0rkNssju0S6legi yBH8N2CzreJ4DCnlxs5HJO95r1cB9S.OsSQ_tJrk44OXe12HI8AiINNjSQAw FJ.fk_W.IMJkN_3A7PlZDiFzzTw5Z797mZw2gRjPratjcgdWyUMJevHYIM74 arNNnFYhQuPQ1ll8MxO9sbJJAyjUd5KMEYqahMVQiAUTyZ0u_H4Xydo96tZc 68ahKIJ9P_sx_v9bG1hqdzdrWAUeWPt2Z8.S2fxiiU6gZL.pD9sZ7..C57C6 3ssJ.QGQCDnfTUbmDXJFNOOrFHDEsGlroG3Dn9FBIZoupWXBqdqilFL.56Sb 6Ellbe7pqRj2IGkNS.p_T8358MRd4TiXqHa6Wz7pJK.SayKp1RnAzwvyHXBc FIdoS545I9XORvjuf7ZTNVrlWAI5ti8aPInIi.brXy_uSVkNJEkNYzSEZw7F qWQKNQW_yAAZEo5rbLrUtO7cBigh7.W5tDf8reGYcJwArJEs- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1340583658.17685.YahooMailClassic@web84512.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:20:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: Re: (OT) For getting gigs, each musician should have... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4FE79589.7070700@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 00:21:00 +0000 (UTC) =0AVERY THOUGHTFUL AND WELL ORGANIZED ADVICE.=0AKUDOS.=0A=0A=0A--- On Sun, = 6/24/12, Rick Walker wrote:=0A=0A> From: Rick Walker = =0A> Subject: Re: Re: (OT) For getting gigs, each musi= cian should have...=0A> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> Cc: Loo= pers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> Date: Sunday, June 24, 2012, 6:32 PM= =0A> I did a lot of work as a music=0A> business consultant in the late 80'= s and =0A> early 90's because of the=0A> incredibly DIY success of my new w= ave band,=A0 Tao=0A> Chemical.=0A> =0A> I have to commend you, Matt on this= advice here:=A0=0A> =A0=A0=A0it is completely =0A> spot on, well organized= and succinct.=0A> =0A> With your permission,=A0 I'd love to keep a copy of= this=0A> (credited, of =0A> course) the next time a=0A> young artist asks = me for booking advice.=0A> =0A> much respect,=A0 =A0 Rick Walker=0A> > On J= un 23, 2012 11:11 AM, "Matt Davignon" =0A> > >=0A> wrote:=0A> >=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0Since Kay= 'lon is feeling=0A> non-loopy today, I figured it would be a good=0A> >=A0 = =A0=A0=A0time to finally write this:=0A> >=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0As someone who= runs a small=0A> venue, I should share that there are=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0ce= rtain things a musician can=0A> do to make them easier to book. This is=0A>= >=A0 =A0=A0=A0written mostly for getting=0A> shows at small venues that bo= ok new, local=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0acts. For these, it's good to=0A> have:=0A>= >=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0--A WEBSITE: This can be a=0A> bandcamp page, a soundc= loud page, one of=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0those template sites such as=0A> weebly= .com , or=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0your own standalone site.=0A= > >=A0 =A0=A0=A0The point is to have something=0A> a booker can find on goo= gle and know=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0it's official and reasonably=0A> up-to-date.= Simple is good. Someone=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0should be able to easily find=0A= > your bio, sound samples, and photos.=0A> >=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0--BIOGRAPHY:= A bio serves two=0A> purposes: 1) Encouraging venues to book=0A> >=A0 =A0= =A0=A0you, and 2) once you are=0A> booked, providing the venue with text th= ey=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0can post on the show=0A> announcements to get people t= o come to the show.=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0Each bio absolutely must list=0A> wha= t instrument you play should have=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0some sort of descriptio= n of the=0A> experience a person might get from=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0your show= . Use descriptive=0A> terms instead of value terms. For example,=0A> >=A0 = =A0=A0=A0my bio uses the words "organic"=0A> and "gloopy", but doesn't say= =0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0"excellent" or "important". I'm=0A> personally fond of b= ios written in the=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0third person ("Matt Davignon=0A> is...= " instead of "I am..."). If you are=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0in or have been in ba= nds that=0A> readers may know about, it's good to=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0list th= em. Do not list every=0A> single band or collaboration you've been=0A> >=A0= =A0=A0=A0in. If you've won a lot of=0A> awards or have played with famous = people,=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0you can include that, but if=0A> it's more than a= certain percentage of=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0your bio, it can be a turnoff.=0A>= (Unless you're really famous, then it's=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0kind of expected= .)=0A> >=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0An ideal bio has both a long=0A> and short form = - some venues prefer 1=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0paragraph, others prefer a half=0A= > page. A good strategy is to write 3 or=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A04 paragraphs, wh= ere the first=0A> paragraph includes the description of=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0w= hat you do in a performance.=0A> That way a venue can copy as many=0A> >=A0= =A0=A0=A0paragraphs as they want. That's=0A> what I've done here:=0A> >=A0= =A0=A0=A0http://www.ribosomemusic.com/biography.html and my=0A> friend Agn= es Szelag=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0has done here: http://www.agnesszelag.com/bio/= =0A> >=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0--MUSIC SAMPLES: This is where=0A> the bandcamp or= soundcloud page comes=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0in. I never book a band without=0A= > hearing them first. They tell me=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0whether a band plays t= he kind=0A> of music that fits my venue, and that=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0they do= n't totally suck. I'd=0A> say at least 4 different music samples is=0A> >= =A0 =A0=A0=A0ideal, and they shouldn't all=0A> sound the same. I'd recommen= d that at=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0least one be a live sample.=0A> >=0A> >=A0 =A0= =A0=A0--PHOTO: When I was new, I=0A> objected to the photo idea, because I= =0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0didn't think music booking=0A> should be based on appear= ances. That's not=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0what this is about. Venues=0A> usually = don't use the photo as a reason to=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0book you or not. Inste= ad,=0A> venues often need something to put on their=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0show = announcements once you ARE=0A> booked. Also, if a local paper wants=0A> >= =A0 =A0=A0=A0to do a story about you,=0A> they'll often ask for a picture. = There's a=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0minimum resolution often=0A> requested - usuall= y at leat 300 dpi. I=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0personally think a nice photo=0A> of= you playing your instrument is better=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0than a Hollywood-s= tyle face=0A> shot. (However, more formal music venues=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0ma= y prefer the face shot.) It's=0A> great that Mark Hamburg and George &=0A> = >=A0 =A0=A0=A0Alana Wiltshire have been=0A> taking artist pictures at the Y= 2K looping=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0festivals. This should be easy=0A> to find on = your website. Many artists=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0put it on their home page or= =0A> their biography page.=0A> >=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0--VIDEO: This one's kind= gravy,=0A> since you probably won't have it when=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0you get= started. I think it's=0A> good to have a video of you playing=0A> >=A0 =A0= =A0=A0well, because you can include a=0A> link when you ask for shows, and = it=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0gives the venues a pretty=0A> concrete idea of what yo= u're about. When you=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0get your first gig or two, try=0A> t= o get a friend to record your set with=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0a camera that has = decent sound.=0A> (I currently use a Zoom Q3, but the=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0Fli= p camera I had before works=0A> fine too. My droid phone is too shitty=0A> = >=A0 =A0=A0=A0for this, because the sound=0A> comes out all glitchy.) The v= ideo doesn't=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0have to be on your website. I=0A> search for= artist videos on Youtube or=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0Google (which returns youtub= e=0A> results).=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0Now, none of these things by= =0A> themselves will get you a gig. Venues=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0also need to k= now that you=0A> exist, and that you're able to play shows.=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0= =A0The best way to do this is to=0A> go to the video a few times when local= =0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0bands you like are playing.=0A> Then, after a few visits= , talk to the=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0booker about whether you could=0A> play at = their series.=0A> >=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0Payment at small local venues=0A> ten= ds to work in one of five ways:=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0--Free Show: Admission to= the=0A> show is free. Artists do not get paid.=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0--Door Sp= lit: The venue takes a=0A> percentage of the door income, and the=0A> >=A0 = =A0=A0=A0rest is split between the=0A> artists. In my experience, the venue= share=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0is usually between 30% and 50%.=0A> For beginning = musicians, this is=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0usually the ideal situation.=0A> >=A0 = =A0=A0=A0--Rental: Artists pay for the=0A> nightly rental of the venue (oft= en=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0$100-$150), and keep all of the=0A> income.=0A> >=A0 = =A0=A0=A0--Artists get the top: The=0A> venue usually needs to make a certa= in=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0amount to cover their nightly=0A> expenses (usually $1= 00-$150). After that=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0amount is made, the rest of the=0A> = door income goes to the artists. If=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0the venue doesn't mak= e their=0A> minimum, they don't often charge you the=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0diff= erence, but they might not=0A> invite you to play again either. (This=0A> >= =A0 =A0=A0=A0doesn't mean they don't like=0A> you, but it costs money to ru= n a venue.)=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0--Cover Charge: At bars/clubs,=0A> income is = taken from the door fee (the=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0"cover") and from drinks sol= d.=0A> Different bars/clubs will have=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0different policies = about how=0A> much of the cover goes to the bands, and=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0if= the bands get a percentage=0A> of profits from drink sales.=0A> >=0A> >=A0= =A0=A0=A0By small venues, I'm thinking=0A> of cafes and art galleries that= =0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0regularly have live music by=0A> local artists and touri= ng artists who are=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0not famous.=0A> >=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0Fo= r larger venues (where=0A> moderately-known touring indie-rock bands=0A> >= =A0 =A0=A0=A0often play, such as San=0A> Francisco's Bottom of the Hill), t= hey will=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0usually need all the above,=0A> PLUS the venue w= ill need to have some sort=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0of faith that they will make= =0A> enough money that night to cover their=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0operating exp= enses. If you feel=0A> absolutely certain that 40 or more=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0= =A0people will definitely come to=0A> your show to see you, then you're=0A>= >=A0 =A0=A0=A0probably ready to move on to=0A> larger venues. Saying hello= in person=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0probably won't work for these=0A> venues unles= s they already know of you=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0by reputation. Often these=0A>= venues have booking request pages on their=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0websites.=0A>= >=0A> >=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0Matt Davignon=0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0mattdavignon@gma= il.com=0A> =0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0www.ribosomemu= sic.com =0A> >=A0 =A0=A0=A0Podcast! http://ri= bosomematt.podomatic.com=0A> >=0A> =0A> =0A> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 01:50:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9B9C183460; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 01:50:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 21:39:29 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: New videos on You Tube Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 01:50:24 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I've posted two new videos on You Tube -- "Pulsation with Unheard Voice" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XiTU2pg7Lois an improvisation taken from AHNE 2012. AHNE (Analog Heaven Northeast) is an annual gathering of analog synthesizer enthusiasts put on by my friend and long time collaborator Eric Crawley. An afternoon demo session is followed by an evening jam, and I have had the pleasure of adding video improvisation to the jam session for the past few years, "Pulsation with Unheard Voice" was performed by Doctor T, Video Mixing, Eric Crawley and Paul Lord, synthesizers, and Mike and Linda Bullock video synthesizer. The title is an indirect reference to a video sequence of a woman talking into a headset that I obtained from a stock video tape and used heavily in this piece. "Spaces" (http://youtu.be/EmkMkaUWGLI) is another improvisation taken from AHNE 2012. "Spaces" was performed by Doctor T, Video Mixing, and Eric Crawley, Paul Lord, Mike and Linda Bullock, Bob Chidlaw, and Kyle Jarger synthesizers. BTW Some of my photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 06:09:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05B8F18345D; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 06:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Wii VST? Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 08:09:45 +0200 Message-ID: <003701cd5299$1eda4f70$5c8eee50$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1R+vi23JUmsDBFSty4Q0Jvi3rSkAAngChw Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: <-VqRYB.A.GtH.sCA6PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 06:09:48 +0000 (UTC) > From: Sylvain Poitras [mailto:sylvain.trombone@gmail.com]=20 > I believe osculator will do that for you argh, I forgot to mention that I want this for Windows :) other than = that, Osculator looks good indeed -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 09:43:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30FC118345C; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 09:43:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BR9SRrc3faDTvLBeie0genhhceD+0AUijPPqlmQ6oOs=; b=w4pVZDYrKw/vKjCXaHECsOmkm2nvnOoI5p6Z30JEDJY4OD8eKtMYfkHi8MdQ5C0FwS RhVXxVfFyEYyyoH48eJGAQqmwcRedUOmoCjMJH/xF5JMAuPdFQI52T6OXttqptuynFpF baWqcnK1btkYKV460Kyfq5lNapFGjpGbxSf5rQH6At1AlgxyUDSyNpDdHZ37vebm6dxX /ZebH184w5FQNUBcH3ax7ajp+IXNgsJsHWc7LV0uHpQHSz4lur6uAg0EY7TbzDwSM5xB YgUV/SaQUA8P7+ClPugsb9B3+zdUvtd9eaDkI1gYyeSfqRJwYuKznq/9rgZOGFfVkCii BgSA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <003701cd5299$1eda4f70$5c8eee50$@de> References: <003701cd5299$1eda4f70$5c8eee50$@de> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 10:43:53 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Wii VST? From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <98miq.A._MB.aLD6PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 09:43:55 +0000 (UTC) I found WiinRemote v2006.12.13b R On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 7:09 AM, Michael Peters wrote: >> From: Sylvain Poitras [mailto:sylvain.trombone@gmail.com] >> I believe osculator will do that for you > > > argh, I forgot to mention that I want this for Windows :) =A0other than t= hat, Osculator looks good indeed > > > -Michael > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 14:16:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F54F18345A; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 14:16:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=76JoUS3rKTmuSvRdbWWf4EE5tO77K56DootvAvg1jPM=; b=Vt1xS3ufS4jeDpGxnf9Fi72133Tjf6ej15+iIWM0Aqo4UqJ8uiHAt7BU3jH85vFsXw KDczeMV/W7eQpaJhpVk7cdalI9rl9hjeW5MB4jX4pvli01lxlLDrgnzgXy6UTtAkkeYR Fg4W5oexWH3E3vj0/FI20djuSEr0RLNBURvINvFsHU9vYSfmQV5GffCQ6naj/tDgIxzh g8D4ra+ChKz2ScAtSRjS5o3y67T1LFXX6I3oOLdYs9uIdDoz60qQ6cLow36wSvuh/iwN X5Ua9mk2bmVZ2K9aeUsmnetQmNKEuaRlHSfCdoKF4BdQIJqDW9/FyXoioaamNvPNUdvv Zo1A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 16:16:53 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Latest live looping output From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e68ea0e03c879304c34ca2da Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 14:16:54 +0000 (UTC) --0016e68ea0e03c879304c34ca2da Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi loopers, I posted this live recording on the FB group, but maybe some of you aren't there ....so here is "DANCE", a minimalistic composition I played live at the Festa Della Musica Lanuvio (a european musical event celebrating the summer) last saturday night. This live version is a bit different from the studio version (also uploaded on SC), as it contains new parts and moves trough a different evolution than the original. All parts are played and looped live, with the exception of the percussions. The execution is not perfect, as you'll can hear, but if you like it, please leave a comment on soundcloud or spread the word to share this piece of mine among your friends. Thanks ! http://soundcloud.com/eterogeneo/dance-live-at-fdm-2012 -f www.eterogeneo.com --0016e68ea0e03c879304c34ca2da Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi loopers,=A0
I posted this live recording on the FB group, but = maybe some of you aren't there

....so here is "DANCE", a minimalistic composition I played live at the = Festa Della Musica Lanuvio (a european musical event celebrating the summer= ) last saturday night.
This live version is a bit different fr= om the studio version (also uploaded on SC), as it contains new parts and m= oves trough a different evolution than the original.
All parts are played and looped live, w= ith the exception of the percussions. The execution is not perfect, as you&= #39;ll can hear, but
if you like it, please leave a comment = on soundcloud or spread the word to share this piece of mine among your fri= ends.
Thanks !

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--0016e68ea0e03c879304c34ca2da-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 21:07:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FE2118345B; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:07:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=wZRMhtBwSWCxfh5+T/MdUcQ3UBvoc/OpeKLf5YcOJQQ=; b=eIferCJCIQ4aITtcke/VCxoOJC6jMs4KvGng3Y3wJggsHXAeoQRGIfHmpuIBPbhc9k LBukOfx6k0ZaZNlZs92ptiVeMUnhgx9PYddlOlHUalCqUhcSPMMSvTjcUVytn65LntYI DGQIQ2GRG3/PAQQ//db3HOtmzAF4LC9lhs+3FTQ2XeBN2839R+rwI5C/tmzae8HK+y3C yaMGXgI5sYhZ/bFnDv6/otEuI9gk6yB1qWQKPGIYfIcC1zoYOoY1dawbjyZScoyB14+M C7SEICraZ8yF1HQyGmOwj6dwc7lPb2InJVXNjEcBV3z66NYmGw8wfzAyjzS7ZVkPVNi7 QO7Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:07:52 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: OT: NINJAM From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:07:53 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I remember reading on here that some of you use NINJAM. Can anyone offer a quick insight on how to set-up your own server on a Mac? Ricky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 21:15:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F368E18345E; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:15:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UMRsLRUxw/NIyBno5lgJXPM1ptd0BQxWcT5zEUj/RIc=; b=cuo3T5aJ8tzYuGa8Y2objBfs2GKj13PVen64AifGq203MmeH3T8qR7E6uaACw4ctsp ihD4DNqnn8yGPE7ZgtOMe5gaui14Q2w1gp45/ZfoUrBi9QJtANvttDlLJatXNnOdVEzh C2dqYfDwb+e/Mzgrs56fLohXn+HofKlB9gAJHuVZIGiN9PBbpeAOWK9UAhEuB/e9tuPV KVQTB8/q/VIM9MW7T6i5fpBok3pxm5QA6ejYVXS6dSun4YkSdGAyY8tZAY/Sgw1xbvQ+ 6iNtBfsRBof91SPA1GdFNrhohdhpDHMzspkvG9eotI/o7lsLs/SNnl41dFYbT5k0ROtU UieA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:15:53 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: NINJAM From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:15:54 +0000 (UTC) Ricky, err, DR. Graham, Easy-peasy. http://www.cockos.com/ninjam/ Scroll down to the NINJAM Server section. Are you planning on using an Intel or pre-Intel Mac? If pre-Intel, use the ALPHA version shown as the Server for OS X. (I just loaded it on a G5 over the weekend). If Intel, you'll probably need to go with the Server source code and compile it appropriately. The config file is easy enough to figure out. GIve a shout if we can help=85Jeff Duke is an ace with this tool; he helped with the troubleshooting over the weekend. We're both on FaceBork, if you need a hand in real time=85 Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Hi all, > > I remember reading on here that some of you use NINJAM. Can anyone > offer a quick insight on how to set-up your own server on a Mac? > > Ricky > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 21:24:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39FF918345E; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:24:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lcP8tPPZtiUTLq3pNEOeYrvKFgt33yar7UqnPEMza5g=; b=hnRUpjO8Izo1Gk7QkDG0q7wv5QZcRxH8ctiuMtzvz2JbCGoMSycTDnd/XEDW9xTzvI nsN7rmNdYuLPebcsygQHuThmTU0+nMBAF+3YdPpQfNIGmRt5cZGK5cA5990lx6Hbelkd 4Nf5i31WSPhxQiF2rS40huU8TcmL/P0kHLkf7k5ns7OujEMsEwdBv7NpP8FxJK3ht5lK KYIDXtoWh+/4mujHLQF7HfiqDUSmHyHO/j/IOidNUlHkNDI+TRLJMvA4Z5sXtx51JOFd EjZUm+8TMFOeA+AhplKe/Cy1A9Nh4HUr7cQWyCRHJ+1luaeas69Um99jKLAWxzPDL+F5 98bg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:24:56 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: NINJAM From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:24:58 +0000 (UTC) I will be in touch once I have had a chance to read through this thoroughly. Thanks Dennis. By the way, what were the sins of Machaut? R On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:15 PM, Dennis Moser wr= ote: > Ricky, err, DR. Graham, > > Easy-peasy. > > http://www.cockos.com/ninjam/ > > Scroll down to the NINJAM Server section. Are you planning on using an > Intel or pre-Intel Mac? If pre-Intel, use the ALPHA version shown as > the Server for OS X. (I just loaded it on a G5 over the weekend). > > If Intel, you'll probably need to go with the Server source code and > compile it appropriately. > > The config file is easy enough to figure out. > > GIve a shout if we can help=85Jeff Duke is an ace with this tool; he > helped with the troubleshooting over the weekend. > > We're both on FaceBork, if you need a hand in real time=85 > > > Best, > > Dennis > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Ricky Graham > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I remember reading on here that some of you use NINJAM. Can anyone >> offer a quick insight on how to set-up your own server on a Mac? >> >> Ricky >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 21:26:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4165718345D; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:26:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=C3rJ8Q4wC+UL3ub2rEozvqu7eOc0h+85gt0Jocb0aGY=; b=Zh27zH6ZWkF1nH4yDq+7kNfIrHbtpyR6KdxH6Wt5mEJdQ6d+dnCfIIZwL/R/fYLiUu KyiXgxeTE0btHpkFXO3Za5z6xizuYMSceRs08pq7ukTWo4kvpQbb8wdqWct4jIODL1XP zPzsB7rSVEada6zoEQPR0aqSzj3KZW09K7nyEsa2KXJ+OJ8oXCHl5d2DIpVX/+NlIqc/ 1UvxsAWI+Z8+ykbiTfTc1g1P3GUr48WHTGdXPmtzwcO9mSooLbBFkMZ9ydS9pfDPI6HH cXYTKOovkKJAlUYTRxBWStlhRlPpYhA2MMp12Us+nGky3M9wGp5u9RTghWvADwyV/UFV fRzw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120622223944.7575.34613.levelstar.mail@everest> References: <20120622223944.7575.34613.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 14:26:32 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: simulated tape loops From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:26:33 +0000 (UTC) I used to do that all the time, back in 2000 to 2003 or so. I had a field recording music project called "Tape Recorder". I'd go out and collect sounds, using a handheld tape recorder. Then I'd record each tape side of source material into the computer. Using audio editing software, I'd create loops, which I would then dub back to cassette. Each loop would fill a cassette side. For example, side A would be "BART train arriving" and side B would be "bottle rolling down the street". I'd keep the cassettes rewound to the middle, so that I'd have at least 10 minutes of whatever loop I wanted. For the live performance, I'd have about 30 of these cassettes, and four multi-speed handheld cassette recorders, which I would use to collage the field recordings into a sort of abrasive ambient music. One of the big aesthetic decisions was that the flaws of cassette recording (wind noise, tape hiss, low fidelity, the "chomping" sound of hitting the stop button, etc) were going to be part of the project. At the time, I was in a community of field recording people, most of whom were interested in getting the cleanest recordings possible. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Tyler wrote: > Hello! Is this my original idea, or has it been done before? If it has been done before, I would > like to hear from some people. Simulated tape loops. You take a digital audio file that was converted from a > tape (therefore it still has tape noise, and is lower quality than a made-digital sound), and you use > audio software to loop the tape-sampled digital recording, simulating a tape loop. Is this > my original idea? > Tyler Z > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 21:31:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E07F18345B; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:31:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=sZetFo51hRd2h4jiNqVsdk9+T/S+P/1rGqPmm9QwP9U=; b=RAUY1YU6uibnrLEtWioVwRHNgrXuEtRLwm//3No/0o6in6TwUxmfIdAzlbtOt/DdLW IE/fjJ7xw9/1sKIf6qJvEw5hTEmekEpb+66bP7eMA1xeJmy9NGOiKwXok4ToQ25WXMbf o4rW+2if/eNmrupiqZQh5lLsjE03Yzrb3zHAhn4mMtfG/eoGKF9vqSzDoNb9oyUxNGzx UaeNr+T9GBzGoD0jhQ8/oM0989VqHULVkmegaKYYCeEwuAQKg76eZQHITc60z/WbvFMo xRQKysmq7qaFapjMl9MaFMJrR5l1VdeHpEKsCx1MH2lfhM78RxcXdNhzXOE+93VdnK3P v9RQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:31:04 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: NINJAM From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:31:07 +0000 (UTC) :) =85 think "Genesis" and say it very quickly =85 http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > By the way, what were the sins of Machaut? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 21:35:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67F5A183460; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:35:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0SFINbelfgVb8h8vNJTJlUR18KMo8Zwq58qdSxog//c=; b=Bb80PCwlWebTDM6waLFB6TyqmcKM7mcdqdmBs0pn8I93TtRquHGEIASyxIB7Gt6kaP AvoXKRc3AuJSobfENEjrciOBccM//5Ea4JjAQB3rF8+riW1lL+x9SnxHgXayUFDvlV4J WaBd+ywsbjTPPnt5ZSoDIuewgEmUyI4HXQHv5Ae1XxPo0f/fmWP+f1DC0svpWmpPZ4IY ySPxOzJjSn44r7bZ5R0Fq4Uo7oE6w5A6zaMp51G/d8BfievMKL3rM79RN5jIk1kLx8qZ hFxOzK5tAWdmutUATctV23JhncLCcstiOY5S3N0hOTXM8cLu6eUrzBjkvfqwvlI0L4ec tyxQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:35:43 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: NINJAM From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:35:45 +0000 (UTC) Strong links between his music (parallelism) and looping! On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:31 PM, Dennis Moser wr= ote: > :) =85 think "Genesis" and say it very quickly =85 > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Ricky Graham > wrote: >> By the way, what were the sins of Machaut? >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 21:40:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 436AA18345D; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:40:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=PARzupPUilp7BciUu5QDVQW6Qfu7PpyVL8R3hgzWPjU=; b=xqi4/lGx31lqRRhROItArcZ7ny2kGYu8osNkYTTNmtxcFU0YfwGWInJMptLBGkAksF iydIT+4y5hwtnLdBd492ZV4xTjkASw1UZWWVhosVYj7j5Oo+cDSYpSTiso8CjBA2wysT JqmtN/Gh0UUdoFfJqiC41qdxzk7BcyInosR8rGF6RhfhwcZG/VJzAZc7dbojFqJPkGbW +OirP1df56/u+RUJy82q2V87brQuwbp0PxZ8h2BOlfwCfBd7ZS8TMtcdmkVS/QpRVC0s VnlmHPvv2PYc9ZUUJtSnMygOZ3CV5wI83HqDVqqkxAJ7Iuxk37oZiJf58PdpY66YTMpu Eb/g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:40:48 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: NINJAM From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <5jKybD.A.DJH.irN6PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:40:50 +0000 (UTC) LOL =85 yeah, I KNOW, but I've been avoiding the "But what is looping?" thread here like the plague =85 Back to listening to the "Chiaccona in Partie Variate" of Piccinini... Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Strong links between his music (parallelism) and looping! > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:31 PM, Dennis Moser = wrote: >> :) =85 think "Genesis" and say it very quickly =85 >> >> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin >> http://audiozoloft.com >> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Ricky Graham >> wrote: >>> By the way, what were the sins of Machaut? >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 22:02:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4ADFA18345C; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:02:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2u2rPpbAhajnMk/WSGkgnhevjI2LE8w9f+G67OkRNTY=; b=PXnvU7EnJjexrLV76MI7L5kq6CcAwBxK3XAVs3jdJRMWWExr+xxTFohq17kbN4JrWs FE3nfsxwH2fp2UfY5hHjXojecYmgAtTQA2ncNbpRkHMQUwZj+J4/kiHyia4XVBXuC11T tIiKS6bxxBOt1tdciwLLAkQ0FcYQibokIDLXO1dG9bVx6B/Xo9v0+6VRQd3bDkueG7rH 7PI83Uk033ZS6ykuAwjFJpAqABeNzG9KY4pDUREoaTwbhrQDKvobdPR23G5HpQnjVZ4n SUWWH6CrZEfNGw26oACAScBgndwqwscQbqOe2pKkM0Uuob7umKguVPKrnhmKdLQbfnfg tMtw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:02:47 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: NINJAM From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:02:48 +0000 (UTC) The server set-up guide appears to be quite simple (I missed the hyperlink on the first read). I will let you know how I get on. Thanks Dennis. On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Dennis Moser wr= ote: > LOL =85 yeah, I KNOW, but I've been avoiding the "But what is looping?" > thread here like the plague =85 > > Back to listening to the "Chiaccona in Partie Variate" of Piccinini... > > Best, > > Dennis > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Ricky Graham > wrote: >> Strong links between his music (parallelism) and looping! >> >> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:31 PM, Dennis Moser = wrote: >>> :) =85 think "Genesis" and say it very quickly =85 >>> >>> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin >>> http://audiozoloft.com >>> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Ricky Graham >>> wrote: >>>> By the way, what were the sins of Machaut? >>>> >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 22:04:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E68D5183462; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:04:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ai3UmjQvOdeIB841HclaPQ6TX/esq1Qjcja9p74Qkp4=; b=j9vyAv8D/Do9eBZI+BXdD1MIK6QMHYk67r+u6bxKMlYTOJyjvzW3W63Qk/4zMdJVmp xpxb62pbQ4KIDQvKJiUT/YYEy1CJiiaZC3INyreU14N3+cHtc51t+fiiYMHSLfNeVS/f 3luv+Yk8hof/8eyqixq2OHdvFezjaF3/XSvJNGGAhXF1EzNrNc3xaCjGw90qPoxMzuKF Rs2U5MK1pTj3Ot6nZr2WraH6+BvZt1NDwFYihnJ6vQHmhMRBzK0zGcyzu4vxIo+dyD1Q aGQPVlbXt336vcynuFJSZYsPp+DL4Bq0cpWVnl43hkyQo6OhcL2SQG7x06q5N7pY71Yi sRiw== Message-ID: <4FE8E079.1020702@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:04:41 +0200 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: NINJAM References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:04:37 +0000 (UTC) Am 25.06.2012 23:07, schrieb Ricky Graham: > I remember reading on here that some of you use NINJAM. Can anyone > offer a quick insight on how to set-up your own server on a Mac? Used to use it (quite a lot) in the past, together with many list members (including Rick Walker, Krispen Hartung, Tony K, Jeff Duke, Os, Daryl Shawn, Per Boysen, Brian Good, ...) and I did ninjam-based events at some list-member-organized festivals (y2k6loopfest, Finloop 2008, BEMF3 - the last one was a blast especially, including killer sets by Hartung/McFaddin/Shawn/Good http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c652w0v3IC8 as well as Hay/Honda/Goodin/Romano, and I had a blast joining Hallock/Boysen/Bearpark). There's even an album of some stuff: http://moinlabs.de/index.php?id=272 Plus, Daryl Shawn and Jim Goodin had a project named Chinapainting based on that technology (they met, if I'm not mistaken, at my event at y2k6loopfest virtually and did an album together via ninjam: http://chinapaintingmusic.com/). And yes, I also had a lot of fun with Jeff Duke ;). So, what is it about? First of all, the software seems to be somewhat dead code (i.e. hasn't been worked on since 2005, but the sources are available). It's integrated into the Reaper DAW, and Os has done a free plugin version as an Audio Unit: http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ninjamplugin.html Ok, got carried away a little - sorry, no knowhow about setting up on mac, but I'm sure Os in an expert on this ;). Sorry for the rant, but I just enjoyed remembering that stuff... Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 22:21:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39D9F18345E; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:21:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7eWtfUKsyxx8/hRbvWlkJkTdv2lLU94ARAWBjPIFLtU=; b=qtSOyRqamBJ7b3O/50IfERoINJ8AL1n1iNgKUj1Ojo+HaGfxi/lIPzRmA9aGGLA5S/ WDiSmXkY+Y+S6YxhVTIuzgqCEpT1zu3neGbBR+ztHF+z8GMsQHh3iLHK9Pn6sJGI5xDl QzIMjGIQoS025u0/wmny7H9Hf1pA44m8xQ1D9d7bB7TihggKfqfECqcb6nGq2KR8qeV6 8m3OUR4J8khgGyuA+BkazlskB2Ld/EdpFwbwCGV3UYrvRHVGGp46lq9tc/ywEzlZ5+VA 3FcRBf1BRC52LkvgqcXkHuCNfmZw+OI0ReLRxN6BFJFArSPmkaMQf8ci8vDrM49d+NLM fUEQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FE8E079.1020702@googlemail.com> References: <4FE8E079.1020702@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 16:21:49 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: NINJAM From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:21:50 +0000 (UTC) Rainer, The code's not so much dead as pinin' for the fjords=85 While the capability to runs a NINJAM client in Reaper is there, the NINJAM server is not available in Reaper. But things DO still work as Jeff and I confirmed over the weekend. Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Am 25.06.2012 23:07, schrieb Ricky Graham: > >> I remember reading on here that some of you use NINJAM. Can anyone >> offer a quick insight on how to set-up your own server on a Mac? > > So, what is it about? > > First of all, the software seems to be somewhat dead code (i.e. hasn't be= en > worked on since 2005, but the sources are available). It's integrated int= o > the Reaper DAW, and Os has done a free plugin version as an Audio Unit: > http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ninjamplugin.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 22:24:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01FED18345A; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:24:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0091526225==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120625222456.9594.34613.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:24:58 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: West Michigan-based looping artist Lizzie Kazmierski Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:24:31 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0091526225== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,=20loopers!=20I=20wanted=20to=20tell=20you=20about=20this=20back=20wh= en=20I=20signed=20up=20for=20Looper's=20Delight,=20but=20 I=20had=20to=20do=20some=20mastering=20and=20uploading=20work=20that=20I=20= finally=20got=20a=20chance=20to=20get=20done.=20This=20is=20all=20about=20 Lizzie=20Kazmierski!=20Now,=20as=20you=20know=20by=20the=20subject,=20she= =20is=20a=20looping=20artist=20based=20out=20of=20West=20 Michigan.=20She=20started=20looping=20around=202010-2011=20(about=20the=20s= ame=20time=20I=20did),=20but=20she's=20been=20good=20at=20 music=20composition=20since=20at=20least=202003.=20I've=20been=20working=20= with=20her=20since=20March=20of=202010,=20but=20I=20would=20 like=20to=20focus=20on=20her=20solo=20work=20(our=20collaborations=20haven'= t=20been=20recorded).=20Very=20much=20like=20me,=20some=20of=20her=20 favorite=20looping=20is=20the=20studio-processed=20stuff=20found=20in=20pop= =20music=20(such=20as=20Britney=20Spears=20and=20 Cher),=20and=20"semi-pop"=20loops=20such=20as=20Imogen=20Heap.=20Imogen=20H= eap=20is=20one=20of=20her=20favorite=20 singers!=20Lizzie=20uses=20a=20Microkorg=20(a=20keyboard=20made=20by=20Korg= =20that=20has=20a=20built-in=20 vocoder).=20Ever=20since=20about=20June=202011,=20she=20has=20used=20a=20Br= aillenote=20Apex=20to=20do=20her=20looping.=20She=20 released=20a=20looping=20piece=20in=20April=202011=20where=20she=20used=20a= =20Braillenote=20Mpower,=20but=20the=20quality=20is=20 much=20lower.=20I'd=20share=20her=20vocoded=20cover=20of=20Imogen=20Heap's= =20"Hide=20and=20Seek=20that=20she=20did=20in=20late=20 2010,"=20but=20that=20isn't=20really=20appropriate=20for=20a=20looping=20si= te.=20I'm=20going=20to=20share=20some=20of=20her=20original=20 work.=20Here=20are=20some=20recordings=20of=20Lizzie=20and=20her=20lovely= =20little=20looping=20delights. Summer=202011:=20Metallic=20Filament Metallic=20Filament=20is=20a=20musical=20piece=20that=20starts=20out=20with= =20the=20sound=20of=20a=20lawn=20mower=20and=20the=20sound=20of=20a=20 windchime.=20This=20goes=20for=2036=20seconds.=20After=20a=20few=20seconds= =20of=20silence,=20the=20piano=20music=20suddenly=20 comes=20in.=20A=20whooshing=20sound=20(originally=20recorded=20on=20some=20= unidentified=20tape,=20but=20got=20sampled=20 digitally)=20keeps=20looping=20throughout=20the=20song,=20making=20the=20"s= imulated=20tape=20loop"=20effect. http://www.fileupyours.com/view/312000/Metallic%20Filament.mp3 Fall=202011:=20Signals Another=20great=20masterpiece=20from=20Lizzie,=20a=20little=20piece=20calle= d=20Signals.=20This=20song=20starts=20out=20with=20the=20sound=20 of=20sirens,=20which=20are=20loops.=20Multiple=20audio=20tracks=20of=20the= =20sirens=20harmonize=20with=20each=20other=20as=20they=20 loop,=20creating=20musical=20chords.=20The=20sirens=20eventually=20stop,=20= and=20techno-type=20music=20(generated=20by=20her=20 Microkorg)=20is=20heard.=20Preprogrammed=20loops=20of=20electronic=20drum-b= eats=20and=20such=20are=20heard=20in=20 the=20Microkorg=20section. http://www.fileupyours.com/view/312000/Signals.mp3 March=202012:=20Glimmers=20of=20Calligraphy Visually=20impaired=20musicians=20frequently=20have=20their=20way=20of=20re= presenting=20visual=20things.=20Since=20 calligraphy=20is=20a=20visual=20thing,=20Lizzie=20has=20her=20form=20of=20w= hat=20you=20might=20call=20"musical=20 calligraphy"=20or=20"sound=20imaging."=20In=20Lizzie's=20library=20of=20ove= r=20200=20sound=20effects,=20she=20has=20 the=20"stonecutter=20sound."=20This=20sound=20loops=20throughout=20the=20pi= ece,=20as=20her=20Microkorg=20tracks=20play=20a=20very=20 well-written=20musical=20piece. http://www.fileupyours.com/view/312000/Glimmers%20of%20Calligraphy.mp3 April=202011:=20Clouds=20and=20Dust You=20may=20wonder=20why=20I=20went=20back=20to=202011=20at=20the=20end;=20= why=20I=20didn't=20put=20this=20one=20before=20 Metallic=20Filament.=20Well,=20it's=20because=20this=20piece=20was=20record= ed=20before=20Lizzie=20got=20her=20Braillenote=20 Apex;=20she=20still=20had=20her=20Braillenote=20Mpower=20at=20that=20time,= =20which,=20as=20you=20will=20be=20able=20to=20tell,=20is=20much=20lower=20= quality=20 as=20far=20as=20sound.=20(For=20your=20information,=20I=20haven't=20upgrade= d=20yet;=20I=20still=20use=20Mpower). http://www.fileupyours.com/view/312000/Clouds%20And%20Dust.mp3 I=20hope=20you=20have=20enjoyed=20this=20little=20write-up=20and=20audio=20= experience=20regarding=20Lizzie=20Kazmierski,=20the=20 looping=20artist=20that=20changed=20my=20life,=20and=20turned=20me=20from= =20a=20generic=20music=20person=20to=20a=20loop=20person.=20=20 If=20the=20links=20don't=20work,=20blame=20me;=20these=20are=20my=20servers. Tyler=20Z --===============0091526225==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 22:43:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD57318345B; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:43:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=MgHwbKjoh8W/IAGuYVTXqBnC0sL33Ha+eE0xGXNeC54=; b=e4H/pECqA2M9xjOG43pAmrojx226G7bn9mmqPHlVgwW7e+vr5woi6eN4Qp3ea6b+3Y UhAWwJZqc+56CcFG71J5PDvyuhK2PIHhnL7r2oTKV1okZzWsJ6QuArCbdhKJALKr8gqj v2XBEUoiYUy2MEIWmofb8IVbKXYMmiciAWoqWZi/9Ppd4aLPWq3DP52io8Tl4+1giKEf PKdnCirUU3QBjrjENVNLVmyoxpXbxUq/2EaIZZBuKiqchXDMqcniSQAe9IDHvTUea3VV cTfA7KZ+NMwKpgr/PGqBKQr59v76QbzvmfTUlj468WXrEtin1zCSYcZJ9rDNCIFikbyA 3b0w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4FE8E079.1020702@googlemail.com> From: Torben Scharling Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:43:06 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: NINJAM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9cdbfa703700404c353b7c3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:43:47 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9cdbfa703700404c353b7c3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Um, sure they are. Both Ninjam and Ninbot servers are in the ninjam plugin that comes with reaper automatically, just hit connect and all the public servers will show up. I'd like to start playing on private servers though, for obvious reasons.. http://ninbot.com and http://www.facebook.com/groups/ninjamers/ are live and well. /Torben Scharling www.torbenscharling.com >On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:21 AM, Dennis Moser wr= ote: Rainer, The code's not so much dead as pinin' for the fjords=85 While the capability to runs a NINJAM client in Reaper is there, the NINJAM server is not available in Reaper. --14dae9cdbfa703700404c353b7c3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Um, sure they are. Both Ninjam and Ninbot servers are in the ninjam plugin = that comes with reaper automatically, just hit connect and all the public s= ervers will show up. I'd like to start playing on private servers thoug= h, for obvious reasons..

http://ninbot.com and http://www.facebook.com/groups/ninja= mers/ are live and well.

/Torben Scharling

www.torbenscharling.com


>On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:21 AM, Dennis Moser <sinsofma= chaut@gmail.com> wrote:
Rainer,

The code's not so much dead as pinin' for the fjords=85

While the capability to runs a NINJAM client in Reaper is there, the
NINJAM server is not available in Reaper. --14dae9cdbfa703700404c353b7c3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 23:01:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2378C18345C; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:01:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4FwXp7DhEtpi0M8RV2ZRISAkPJaZJhAQDhYxRRnC4W4=; b=Vr/AqkWFxPv6VjHr6IZu7OpuNqTpnP8TSFmdkKeKZOyHalgirIJ1zWeBvNU78+WcPZ J1UWkzMznVs934LTlDmANq2/SZOZoybEF4I8bx0NBuEwGpeCjltiTOmCrA9VHeqIlg6Y t6NAQW9KSYML779ghiZXeMYjOsgtHcux0Lwf27KGlZ1ZvM3btH64PppH1dEHpsL7q6lS Qw6bj9q2GtHh4MdjMCRflR8U3HOlgB2SUw+Qxvo9s5hRCHqbe0Q2XOYCpZfYz7baJGeQ FJl6wF1dOY5s6e57vmInOpV02XqgJWkmh6vHPHDwfYAVwviGFRFsHIPlAPAvoBKDRcCM Uk3g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4FE8E079.1020702@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 19:01:37 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: NINJAM From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f83ad2fcbef1004c353f67f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:01:38 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f83ad2fcbef1004c353f67f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Torben, Actually the ReaNinjam plugin will allow you to connect with existing servers on the list but that's not the same as having your own private server. Having your own private server is very handy and not hard to setup, You just need a fair amount of upstream bandwidth to run it for very many connections. http://www.cockos.com/ninjam/server-guide.php best, Jeff On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Torben Scharling wrote: > Um, sure they are. Both Ninjam and Ninbot servers are in the ninjam plugi= n > that comes with reaper automatically, just hit connect and all the public > servers will show up. I'd like to start playing on private servers though= , > for obvious reasons.. > > http://ninbot.com and http://www.facebook.com/groups/ninjamers/ are live > and well. > > /Torben Scharling > > www.torbenscharling.com > > > >On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:21 AM, Dennis Moser = wrote: > Rainer, > > The code's not so much dead as pinin' for the fjords=85 > > While the capability to runs a NINJAM client in Reaper is there, the > NINJAM server is not available in Reaper. --e89a8f83ad2fcbef1004c353f67f Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Torben,

Actually the ReaNinjam plugin will allow you to connect with= existing servers on the list but that's not the same as having your ow= n private server.

Having your own private server is very handy and n= ot hard to setup, You just need a fair amount of upstream bandwidth to run = it for very many connections. http://www.cockos.com/ninjam/server-guide.php

best,

Jeff

On Mon, Jun 25, 201= 2 at 6:43 PM, Torben Scharling <torbenscharling@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
Um, sure they are. Both Ninjam and Ninbot se= rvers are in the ninjam plugin that comes with reaper automatically, just h= it connect and all the public servers will show up. I'd like to start p= laying on private servers though, for obvious reasons..

http://ninbot.com a= nd = http://www.facebook.com/groups/ninjamers/ are live and well.

/T= orben Scharling

www.torben= scharling.com


>On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:21 AM, Dennis Moser <sinsofma= chaut@gmail.com> wrote:
Rainer,

The code's not so much dead as pinin' for the fjords=85

While the capability to runs a NINJAM client in Reaper is there, the
NINJAM server is not available in Reaper.

--e89a8f83ad2fcbef1004c353f67f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 06:43:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B732B18345B; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:43:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <20120625211555.95184183464@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20120625211555.95184183464@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Wii VST? Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:42:55 +0200 Message-ID: <002701cd5366$eae3f530$c0abdf90$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01CD5377.AE6CC530" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-Language: de Thread-Index: Ac1TGSfDw2vTZkt/Q2mtvYR+clvAGAATaNmQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:43:02 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CD5377.AE6CC530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ricky Graham wrote, > I found WiinRemote v2006.12.13b hmm ... looks good ... doesn't seem to include a vst though ... -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CD5377.AE6CC530 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ricky Graham = wrote,

 <= /p>

> I found WiinRemote v2006.12.13b

 

hmm ... looks good ... = doesn't seem to include a vst though = ...

 <= /p>

-Michael

------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CD5377.AE6CC530-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 06:50:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E14A183462; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:50:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ldCv4kB9Q/UcbFyTG31K6bhedchYNUInnaM9Do2VBro=; b=umVVyTlzPYhJLLsjEG/0WPF3MOlrpUqWiaiiKsWIQEDXCP+DkGTqNQKELAb7MMauG0 /CkxbSO8u5hIBSG2Vh3SXEaPKOrqFU1sRj0WU0UXbsmkN+fvHqSX8+aGOCZm0fr/P+mu skfobW6sEdg0iRHI5Iw/kyVNyeIkpxWXnnltKj3n+jeM8DQ/uXM/KPzoaAhL6TQksnwA CnFvAfObdNIETPLOVpFRL/qQqyRmjWUQFZc2JlOplokzy9vixBoIgPGJsQfUCwIwwUdS BSYgraiUEzHXDpu20rrRwMZ6oT909gZaJP8ivwEJ/gyXlnNtWRLn8HVKRhH7/O+XJqTL FFFw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <002701cd5366$eae3f530$c0abdf90$@de> References: <20120625211555.95184183464@arsenic.violacea.com> <002701cd5366$eae3f530$c0abdf90$@de> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:50:11 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Wii VST? From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:50:14 +0000 (UTC) Why does it need to be a VST? On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > Ricky Graham wrote, > > > >> I found WiinRemote v2006.12.13b > > > > hmm ... looks good ... doesn't seem to include a vst though ... > > > > -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 06:56:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F08F183462; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:56:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=wBMOKqgu+rIFkob9P7y5YLaRS3McAXnQGupIJ6ooy3Q=; b=NdwSeH0t22OB8qN+jicG1yGy1WsBKOHD77mnpbj9vuZPtwPiIX2sW49SBsdsxRjqro i/+Sx15mqi+LE1CM/Q7fQyAXT4DNYgHbC1hXuPN9zLSvt73xSYSHMV7Q+9F+a73yfjql zi5Wc25JOhKZ6+ORQwPx1JrVmaAz0cDlVe3uLTeIEjj8TPP9HQNxwIkkIu/zRKvB7f0l i8RM+OijzjLwWjqPe7KqU1zpcw54+urWjDJJirYe95HFErQdXagb4llcZqokbnR9xyKo lGXwERGAVwibILx6pDQUMA5a1JxRWUUGn7WJEvWyDYOWc4pVJrGtt4kcKWGUwkFqCD10 BbQw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20120625211555.95184183464@arsenic.violacea.com> <002701cd5366$eae3f530$c0abdf90$@de> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:56:01 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Wii VST? From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:56:03 +0000 (UTC) If you need to route it to another environment, try OSCULATOR & MIDIYOKE On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Why does it need to be a VST? > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Michael Peters wrote: >> Ricky Graham wrote, >> >> >> >>> I found WiinRemote v2006.12.13b >> >> >> >> hmm ... looks good ... doesn't seem to include a vst though ... >> >> >> >> -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 08:16:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C66418345C; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:16:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5j2s240gwrJmjS2XcPtl1/dn+l555K4gGEOSB+W0Ccs=; b=KshSF/eJdDLeLBSICww5PYYJx4K7CeO3uhBESoso5jwqe3ld6RWNz072umgSrMpCyM TQZraah7xclUYGol/PFWTXthSiCm1zFRY0WU4VtAIi85Ebs5bAa7dXDE3Uv9nB1ORJHh N0yO8P0QqGIhJqAmuiJvpqao6HCngxv/5cOlbhKi+DvA66B8pPMOetVOIXRH3vzXdew0 R8n2e6MeCPgB5x74ncwgaYEkCxfiUuqNSElzVeobHFLXoHMEm8F/vJZLw2pp0jR7V/3n EjjPSf/53bCOF94l1+oqDisiKTpeB3OREhlLiqmm9zzeL9+HZJ4Cp+4J4jH+V0WgFNfq cHZQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 01:16:03 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Virtual midi cables for Win7 64bit? From: "kay'lon rushing" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f234d099c105f04c35bb5e5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:16:05 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f234d099c105f04c35bb5e5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Do they exist for free? I need at least 4. --e89a8f234d099c105f04c35bb5e5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

Do they exist for free? I need at least 4.

--e89a8f234d099c105f04c35bb5e5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 09:48:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81D2618345A; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 09:48:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=AO9s3HLmTgSwBp7+ZOC1iEBFCh8BoQNRHjAnuYv5W78=; b=NcnrsqQutjZfDtc+KrPRn01Msyz0HkWp1PGitbHlJi1FohdVntNgiRX7UXnxORg/9M r6Ps28zcuT8kNNKQDQj5leysLbGTPw/4r07KIDJ0/xnTX27q+SjP8Io2nX+XrbBwql0o gLGz+01bGS9D/1xslYRnqHQRV49MbHxBaWhT9DkaNdoBb6alT6/R/W69dVYTMgD7xvNa Urz+cDeNGsQxfVIL0zg8PwFotdIagRDerW6+R5/D8V7dYD+uhu1fPn/+EN2c4aAQ60+d 5FHqlNJhg/1E4xWijOkGJJi6++p7t7kaGtYXvDn3dP+eCv1BDJ5BInUQYYGIu08TtEGF BDZQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 11:48:37 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Virtual midi cables for Win7 64bit? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <3gcdUC.A.GuE.2VY6PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 09:48:38 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:16 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > Do they exist for free? I need at least 4. Don't know, but you can go and see by yourself: http://www.midiox.com/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 09:54:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1037A18345D; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 09:54:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=wUv+EriNH7KtRTHY1+SeQgkYZCAj8j/3MtqGecyAIak=; b=z0w3Hf81AeSflFBVTwZagpxVEk9ZtnUZfQ8lIYFI7BvaFFbesNFjGfNFaSxOpspWpI 8oy0NEvSsubfz7bAUdEr1PSSf3WEJAJBxI6lEMdsqMCSfnmaw+8/+r2hLIpDlVKNWL0B GLOTwX7Nxae2gyN5Vfv0m+8ym8ax66sMO+euj82tSr90mO4GoVse8UeOhHuMK+esVCf8 YB8uk+Ypeb7tmb6FmPthSplIBsXYMdMP0j0/sVXk6byqk6bi/u5kfwLWSb77VCJSMP52 5AaSLwcQWoUMq4w5vQXQILfFBzrxwjf5DNpK/X6RhmRfyaamX5ozQsvIvO3rskhkMu3w iULg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 11:54:30 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3tr7y2yHraW3h3vTS7qH3HZumDs Message-ID: Subject: Re: Virtual midi cables for Win7 64bit? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6150bef7d58004c35d162d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 09:54:52 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6150bef7d58004c35d162d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yes, but they still get tangled! On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:16 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > Do they exist for free? I need at least 4. > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --90e6ba6150bef7d58004c35d162d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, but they still get tangled!

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--90e6ba6150bef7d58004c35d162d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 10:24:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0213C183453; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:24:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=y5agXzphjacOXI8sfu2cYFLP7RFg/L6Ooa3gbPkAFps=; b=AQF81DschmNYSbL8EVD13ATIrl9dxbJGzFN3r7s85r7cYNcp5JLf8YzcbAks3q3BEj pOMeMBaIm5KyFIqW8X0cT5GlAFFw1IBCXzHtblJTx8DM7nf+ZNosjGXcp+dW61iAg17J oce3EU0ZLg+XoxZLBXPpLJnCVIcKkEGM6UC2Y/qw4F7uoufjZV/oxrhmXg1eckZRIRbk t/ox4LpXQGPxVvoLHIm5pJ92Y1BCx/2pGhlqTg61n7Z39OZfgXY1hvthC4ozuSV5HtJP X2ZqTnQFJAqDJGg1hWMfWT1oppz2WqytosIE/9mpJ2Dn4BkVXfspCe7IIHCe06gqfhbI uKAw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 03:24:00 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Virtual midi cables for Win7 64bit? From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04138a9d37d55204c35d7ff4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:24:01 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04138a9d37d55204c35d7ff4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Already tried it. Installation failed. On Jun 26, 2012 2:49 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:16 AM, kay'lon rushing > wrote: > > Do they exist for free? I need at least 4. > > Don't know, but you can go and see by yourself: http://www.midiox.com/ > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > --f46d04138a9d37d55204c35d7ff4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Already tried it. Installation failed.

On Jun 26, 2012 2:49 AM, "Per Boysen" = <perboysen@gmail.com> wrot= e:
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:16 AM, kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do they exist for free? I need at least 4.

Don't know, but you can go and see by yourself: http://www.midiox.com/

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen

--f46d04138a9d37d55204c35d7ff4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 12:03:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CC1C18345D; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:03:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 779899060/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.26.231/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.26.231 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBACik6U9YbRrn/2dsb2JhbAANN7lKAQEBBDgRLxELBxEJFggHCQMCAQIBDyURGQMBh3kDr0cNiU6KUGOCaIMcA5p0hUADh10 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,478,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="779899060" Message-ID: <4FE9A50E.8040901@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:03:26 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Virtual midi cables for Win7 64bit? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:03:28 +0000 (UTC) Try running the installer as a winXP program. ..not guaranteed, but worth a go andy kay'lon rushing wrote: > Already tried it. Installation failed. > > On Jun 26, 2012 2:49 AM, "Per Boysen" > wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:16 AM, kay'lon rushing > wrote: > > Do they exist for free? I need at least 4. > > Don't know, but you can go and see by yourself: http://www.midiox.com/ > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 17:37:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 649E718345C; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:37:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.234.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:SN2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-BigFish: PS-1(zz98dI9371Ic85fh9a6kzz1202hzz8275bh186Mc704dhz2fh2a8h668h839he5bhf0ahbe3k) Received-SPF: pass (mail134-tx2: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.234.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.234.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=SN2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Virtual midi cables for Win7 64bit? Thread-Topic: Virtual midi cables for Win7 64bit? Thread-Index: AQHNU3PyNXaZvC4OoUSjtk93VcKYkJcMWs+AgAAJ4wCAACVGgA== Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:37:27 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.255.83.4] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CC0F5CD75D49Cjefflarsonsailpointcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:37:33 +0000 (UTC) --_000_CC0F5CD75D49Cjefflarsonsailpointcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My understanding is that 32-bit drivers will not work under 64-bit windows.= 32-bit applications will usually work but not drivers. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-vista/32-bit-and-64-bit-windows-= frequently-asked-questions Besides MidiYoke there is also this which I hear supports 64-bit but I have= not used it. http://nerds.de/en/loopbe1.html Jeff From: kay'lon rushing > Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:24 AM To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Subject: Re: Virtual midi cables for Win7 64bit? Resent-From: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Resent-Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:24 AM Already tried it. Installation failed. On Jun 26, 2012 2:49 AM, "Per Boysen" > wrote: On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:16 AM, kay'lon rushing > wrote: > Do they exist for free? I need at least 4. Don't know, but you can go and see by yourself: http://www.midiox.com/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen --_000_CC0F5CD75D49Cjefflarsonsailpointcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <2E935E28B7F7FF4C8693609952224483@namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My understanding is that 32-bit drivers will not work under 64-bit win= dows.  32-bit applications will usually work but not drivers.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en= -us/windows-vista/32-bit-and-64-bit-windows-frequently-asked-questions<= /div>

Besides MidiYoke there is also this which I hear supports 64-bit but I= have not used it.


Jeff

From: kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com>
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Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:24 A= M
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"= <Loopers-Delight= @loopers-delight.com>
Subject: Re: Virtual midi cables fo= r Win7 64bit?
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Resent-Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2012= 5:24 AM

Already tried it. Installation failed.

On Jun 26, 2012 2:49 AM, "Per Boysen" = <perboysen@gmail.com> wrot= e:
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:16 AM, kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do they exist for free? I need at least 4.

Don't know, but you can go and see by yourself: http://www.midiox.com/

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen

 --_000_CC0F5CD75D49Cjefflarsonsailpointcom_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 18:41:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FB9C183460; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:41:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1340736113; bh=OUO3M1H5leo/z7WBj6O6be4i7v1PAMI0WTkUxOYoUV4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer; b=gV0YG2yJ++6T4T2QZXx8aWCwf31d9Obucy6a0JwzNDzK6OBsM5HZreikDmC3nB9oqJlBP+LaAf7FrCChm5RmbLVb3tdbczIDifoaB4hjB1+R4gUehblSvEB31unLXyor25Px0W/EDZ5mUiQv/2If1iIIJzV+TFjwq9jmoFOmvf8= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 315555.72583.bm@smtp126.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 8G_6sxwVM1moHGq7JMBCPifhFsxniO3Q4ut6VlJ7_3TYrRy yfJmkgCdb1hIQaPy14LxybPJZH1NvefrITF4Q7ue8TDRpamDwxQaWnvutzN8 3xZzpkAHf0uANHisSPUKjWjYqTA.hyz3ikMM_qRKa5lrnxSQqBljKimeiPOi 34WkpUa8YelDMST5VdELKs7Za.mwyjmN7p7jefeTb7OVVMx0NzKxzuiU1TFM 6AE8vUf51Mp.m2.odBoYhNjFYvIvOc4gVwBmtMIvh4p2b0BiUUtfCzC5HpHz m._Yv_9PecJPTxMPA6IfSMqwa9TZdkkqft7fN3yEv55KSwFYqPTv4Q9Y.S0A uPEopUZB104JIpqMMp8.qVVPDGYZinYtkUnNojMMdlhN13wZKrcOoL5Pemwv AK1UDZ8TGupc94a1fCu79oL6PdBGqyXyny7plIUV6maaQXBXivs0i99P01kV m4etGNxctWkDSJwfEZzu8q01u9DCiRyDW_BWIWEyyERHCFxCx51YXkx02tbk b1hJ4.dUHp9Y.Sw9__P3bWqHWHcSVbCq7HwBZx5KeAVZLkCroTUhCH.cpcs_ JGRr2cFPmNxeRCC2v2Q6eb988LPDKdQQmdZUjiCdUPzAv92SRPS5JQakALCo Ck36A2OHFRozlwlzvxMuQ0ZRe6WY.UFhjWjgJuQrEkV12EYIyV.b4dAkDQ6a Vgqxh8PgYs9BkxsUg0Ao_3yqukkRb.liccdWjh5tmIeXiKptwLMul_AJg3ZY J0XqY5MVFstbyL2jDM58oJd5T4GdgvoglNwuiIUzjce9eTdWw5.pQZ1iBS6. QpPR828Hai6R3Aid8EJU1c4O0qS.iMc5meDyRJQMzn3ZdGfl0PE2NvGsvBwE - X-Yahoo-SMTP: 75CdczOswBChen.W3AbLhaW8TlC96TVo5w-- From: Ben To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Jeff Larson Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 20:41:53 +0200 Subject: Re: Virtual midi cables for Win7 64bit? In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <20120626204153.20844BF8.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: nPOPuk Ver 2.16 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:41:55 +0000 (UTC) Yes, "loopbe" works well on my 64bit Win7. By the way if you want to replace your lame windows GM soundset by any Soundfont, you can try this: http://coolsoft.altervista.org/en/virtualmidisynth no need for a virtual midi cable to a vsthost. I don't think it supports all the CC in the GM standart but great anyway to listen to midi files or use midi generators (noatikl, compose, ...) Ben -------------------------------------------------- Jeff Larson wrote: (26/06/2012 19:37) > My understanding is that 32-bit drivers will not work under 64-bit windows. 32-bit applications will usually work but not drivers. > > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-vista/32-bit-and-64-bit-windows-frequently-asked-questions > > Besides MidiYoke there is also this which I hear supports 64-bit but I have not used it. > > http://nerds.de/en/loopbe1.html > > Jeff > > From: kay'lon rushing > > Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > > Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:24 AM > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > > Subject: Re: Virtual midi cables for Win7 64bit? > Resent-From: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > > Resent-Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:24 AM > > > Already tried it. Installation failed. > > On Jun 26, 2012 2:49 AM, "Per Boysen" > wrote: > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:16 AM, kay'lon rushing > wrote: > > Do they exist for free? I need at least 4. > > Don't know, but you can go and see by yourself: http://www.midiox.com/ > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 19:19:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2770F18345D; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:19:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=d5ZFojfgViO/pl2tV7Qd5YSmbWvI5HquFyiSEpkyonU=; b=y2EmngFjEsZs8d16GGICOlB7uB/XP8DhWJCYfeI22Q4f3S7kAV/ETcIcQ5lo+p0wil Gd9w37lYscz93oD3ZQ8IiGX+WTxSEDUUSl1PX6yXE3g2xtzHzKBMujcJm6sXmiV+WvGD dBqw7rn6pV6bpikQrRlkNxNywNAuIrGS5T/9tUDC8i7gdZGoOov9GX48RuM1JN42p4OU zBpki/Inp2lqlWjGKQF+e0ruBsFQLajVDdZI0gWCKLU4rqNLJG9KQFAThJO/lAT4iYMQ PrFut+qY1oUNkYMZDGjUojXlMeKeFcJV/cGMmf5Co/FJOUHSG2BiDDQleRMCgcM388do c6kA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120626204153.20844BF8.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> References: <20120626204153.20844BF8.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:19:50 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Virtual midi cables for Win7 64bit? From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d7e3507c6f1604c364fbef Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:19:56 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d7e3507c6f1604c364fbef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 But loopBe1 only comes with one virtual connector doesnt it? On Jun 26, 2012 11:41 AM, "Ben" wrote: > Yes, > > "loopbe" works well on my 64bit Win7. > > By the way if you want to replace your lame windows GM soundset by any > Soundfont, you can try this: > http://coolsoft.altervista.org/en/virtualmidisynth > no need for a virtual midi cable to a vsthost. > I don't think it supports all the CC in the GM standart but great > anyway to listen to midi files or use midi generators (noatikl, > compose, ...) > > Ben > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Jeff Larson wrote: > (26/06/2012 19:37) > > > My understanding is that 32-bit drivers will not work under 64-bit > windows. 32-bit applications will usually work but not drivers. > > > > > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-vista/32-bit-and-64-bit-windows-frequently-asked-questions > > > > Besides MidiYoke there is also this which I hear supports 64-bit but I > have not used it. > > > > http://nerds.de/en/loopbe1.html > > > > Jeff > > > > From: kay'lon rushing > > > Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>" > > > Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:24 AM > > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>" > > > Subject: Re: Virtual midi cables for Win7 64bit? > > Resent-From: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>" > > > Resent-Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:24 AM > > > > > > Already tried it. Installation failed. > > > > On Jun 26, 2012 2:49 AM, "Per Boysen" perboysen@gmail.com>> wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:16 AM, kay'lon rushing > wrote: > > > Do they exist for free? I need at least 4. > > > > Don't know, but you can go and see by yourself: http://www.midiox.com/ > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.perboysen.com > > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > --0016e6d7e3507c6f1604c364fbef Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

But loopBe1 only comes with one virtual connector doesnt it?

On Jun 26, 2012 11:41 AM, "Ben" <benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> wrote:=
Yes,

=A0"loopbe" works well on my 64bit Win7.

By the way if you want to replace your lame windows GM soundset by any
Soundfont, you can try this:
http://coolsoft.altervista.org/en/virtualmidisynth
no need for a virtual midi cable to a vsthost.
I don't think it supports all the CC in the GM standart but great
anyway to listen to midi files or use midi generators (noatikl,
compose, ...)

Ben


--------------------------------------------------
Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sa= ilpoint.com> wrote:
(26/06/2012 19:37)

> My understanding is that 32-bit drivers will not work under 64-bit win= dows. =A032-bit applications will usually work but not drivers.
>
> http://window= s.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-vista/32-bit-and-64-bit-windows-frequently-as= ked-questions
>
> Besides MidiYoke there is also this which I hear supports 64-bit but I= have not used it.
>
> http://n= erds.de/en/loopbe1.html
>
> Jeff
>
> From: kay'lon rushing <k3zz= 21@gmail.com<mailto:k3zz21@gmail= .com>>
> Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>&= quot; <Loopers-De= light@loopers-delight.com<mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>>
> Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:24 AM
> To: "Loope= rs-Delight@loopers-delight.com<mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>" = <Loopers-Delight@= loopers-delight.com<mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>>
> Subject: Re: Virtual midi cables for Win7 64bit?
> Resent-From: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com&g= t;" <Loopers= -Delight@loopers-delight.com<mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>>
> Resent-Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:24 AM
>
>
> Already tried it. Installation failed.
>
> On Jun 26, 2012 2:49 AM, "Per Boysen" <perboysen@gmail.com<mailto:perboysen@gmail.com>> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:16 AM, kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com<mailto:k3zz21@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Do they exist for free? I need at least 4.
>
> Don't know, but you can go and see by yourself: http://www.midiox.com/
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.c= om<http://www= .perboysen.com>
> http://= www.youtube.com/perboysen

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In-Reply-To: References: <20120626204153.20844BF8.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> Message-Id: <20120626213351.7AC46530.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: nPOPuk Ver 2.16 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:33:53 +0000 (UTC) You are right. I made a mistake: it's http://www.tobias-erichsen.de/loopMIDI.html that I use. My Bad, Ben. -------------------------------------------------- "kay'lon rushing" wrote: (26/06/2012 21:19) > But loopBe1 only comes with one virtual connector doesnt it? > On Jun 26, 2012 11:41 AM, "Ben" wrote: > > > Yes, > > > > "loopbe" works well on my 64bit Win7. > > > > By the way if you want to replace your lame windows GM soundset by any > > Soundfont, you can try this: > > http://coolsoft.altervista.org/en/virtualmidisynth > > no need for a virtual midi cable to a vsthost. > > I don't think it supports all the CC in the GM standart but great > > anyway to listen to midi files or use midi generators (noatikl, > > compose, ...) > > > > Ben > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Jeff Larson wrote: > > (26/06/2012 19:37) > > > > > My understanding is that 32-bit drivers will not work under 64-bit > > windows. 32-bit applications will usually work but not drivers. > > > > > > > > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-vista/32-bit-and-64-bit-windows-frequently-asked-questions > > > > > > Besides MidiYoke there is also this which I hear supports 64-bit but I > > have not used it. > > > > > > http://nerds.de/en/loopbe1.html > > > > > > Jeff > > > > > > From: kay'lon rushing > > > > Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>" > > > > > Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:24 AM > > > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>" > > > > > Subject: Re: Virtual midi cables for Win7 64bit? > > > Resent-From: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>" > > > > > Resent-Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:24 AM > > > > > > > > > Already tried it. Installation failed. > > > > > > On Jun 26, 2012 2:49 AM, "Per Boysen" > perboysen@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:16 AM, kay'lon rushing > > wrote: > > > > Do they exist for free? I need at least 4. > > > > > > Don't know, but you can go and see by yourself: http://www.midiox.com/ > > > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > > > Per Boysen > > > www.perboysen.com > > > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 20:58:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEF9B18345E; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 20:58:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.234.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:SN2PRD0410HT001.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-BigFish: PS6(zzbb2dI98dI9371Ic85dh1432I1453Md060ii9a6kzz1202hzz8275bh8275dh186Mc704dhz2fh2a8h668h839hd25hf0ah) Received-SPF: pass (mail117-va3: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.234.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.234.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=SN2PRD0410HT001.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: Virtual midi cables for Win7 64bit? 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LoopBe30 is the = commercial version that has up to 30. The price is 16.90 Euro or $19.90 US= D. ________________________________ From: kay'lon rushing [k3zz21@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 2:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Virtual midi cables for Win7 64bit? But loopBe1 only comes with one virtual connector doesnt it? On Jun 26, 2012 11:41 AM, "Ben" > wrote: Yes, "loopbe" works well on my 64bit Win7. By the way if you want to replace your lame windows GM soundset by any Soundfont, you can try this: http://coolsoft.altervista.org/en/virtualmidisynth no need for a virtual midi cable to a vsthost. I don't think it supports all the CC in the GM standart but great anyway to listen to midi files or use midi generators (noatikl, compose, ...) Ben -------------------------------------------------- Jeff Larson > w= rote: (26/06/2012 19:37) > My understanding is that 32-bit drivers will not work under 64-bit window= s. 32-bit applications will usually work but not drivers. > > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-vista/32-bit-and-64-bit-window= s-frequently-asked-questions > > Besides MidiYoke there is also this which I hear supports 64-bit but I ha= ve not used it. > > http://nerds.de/en/loopbe1.html > > Jeff > > From: kay'lon rushing >> > Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>" >> > Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:24 AM > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>" >> > Subject: Re: Virtual midi cables for Win7 64bit? > Resent-From: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>" >> > Resent-Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:24 AM > > > Already tried it. Installation failed. > > On Jun 26, 2012 2:49 AM, "Per Boysen" >> wrot= e: > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:16 AM, kay'lon rushing >> wrot= e: > > Do they exist for free? I need at least 4. > > Don't know, but you can go and see by yourself: http://www.midiox.com/ > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen --_000_3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A721974726SN2PRD0410MB360_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
LoopBe1 is the free version that only has one connection.  LoopBe30 is= the commercial version that has up to 30.  The price is 16.90 Euro or= $19.90 USD.

From: kay'lon rushing [k3zz21@gmail.com]=
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 2:19 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Virtual midi cables for Win7 64bit?

But loopBe1 only comes with one virtual connector doesnt it?

On Jun 26, 2012 11:41 AM, "Ben" <benoitruelle@yahoo= .fr> wrote:
Yes,

 "loopbe" works well on my 64bit Win7.

By the way if you want to replace your lame windows GM soundset by any
Soundfont, you can try this:
http://coolsoft.altervista.org/en/virtualmidisynth
no need for a virtual midi cable to a vsthost.
I don't think it supports all the CC in the GM standart but great
anyway to listen to midi files or use midi generators (noatikl,
compose, ...)

Ben


--------------------------------------------------
Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:
(26/06/2012 19:37)

> My understanding is that 32-bit drivers will not work under 64-bit win= dows.  32-bit applications will usually work but not drivers.
>
> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-vista/32-bit-and-64-bit-windows-= frequently-asked-questions
>
> Besides MidiYoke there is also this which I hear supports 64-bit but I= have not used it.
>
> http://n= erds.de/en/loopbe1.html
>
> Jeff
>
> From: kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com<mailto:k3zz21@gmail.com>>
> Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<mailto:Loopers-= Delight@loopers-delight.com>" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight= .com<mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>>
> Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:24 AM
> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<mailto:Loopers-Deligh= t@loopers-delight.com>" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>>
> Subject: Re: Virtual midi cables for Win7 64bit?
> Resent-From: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<mailto:Loope= rs-Delight@loopers-delight.com>" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-deli= ght.com<mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>>
> Resent-Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:24 AM
>
>
> Already tried it. Installation failed.
>
> On Jun 26, 2012 2:49 AM, "Per Boysen" <perboysen@gmail.com<mailto:perboysen@gmail.com<= /a>>> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:16 AM, kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com<mailto:k3zz21@gmail.com>>= ; wrote:
> > Do they exist for free? I need at least 4.
>
> Don't know, but you can go and see by yourself: http://www.midiox.com/
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.c= om<http://www= .perboysen.com>
> http://= www.youtube.com/perboysen

--_000_3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A721974726SN2PRD0410MB360_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 01:57:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31CDD18345A; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 01:57:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=+Klh4zmJU0hkGsj/Oe6x4jFXr2aHDZLn5g7TjtSR690=; b=RbWD6RZ5yEAW60EJEI+H/tvRL7jXk01LCBjkVYp5EcAqw102PUjfmB+HuYw9fFccfd NbQlLNnZc/nABiwkCLuii8f2Q7VWvHJ0xzTutWnhKRRJ5MiMH5k/Qh6Msc/8J7llG1Ca gMRmOjc6BDCh0A76rWIG5rJzS13zD0gQMxjK7eiPEvlsBphzRStQxRYSg4YkNvVnms0s HEU+s/2gE3AjlV7q66V5nQgrAedctpqgaaELk5JeT3JfEnnH8petaKq6ZfPeWCxWvHgR mMMtJsBoZpRWJUtlBw0xE6apUDffGFmuBvmCizShHEoluGq1aAR8wLsadoLk69kStUAF Q17g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A721974726@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <20120626204153.20844BF8.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A721974726@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:57:16 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Virtual midi cables for Win7 64bit? From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04138a9dd5b68d04c36a883b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 01:57:18 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04138a9dd5b68d04c36a883b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Its not for me its for a friend and i highly doubt he wants to buy it because he barely knows anything about midi yet. On Jun 26, 2012 1:58 PM, "Jeff Larson" wrote: > LoopBe1 is the free version that only has one connection. LoopBe30 is > the commercial version that has up to 30. The price is 16.90 Euro or > $19.90 USD. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* kay'lon rushing [k3zz21@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 26, 2012 2:19 PM > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* Re: Virtual midi cables for Win7 64bit? > > But loopBe1 only comes with one virtual connector doesnt it? > On Jun 26, 2012 11:41 AM, "Ben" wrote: > >> Yes, >> >> "loopbe" works well on my 64bit Win7. >> >> By the way if you want to replace your lame windows GM soundset by any >> Soundfont, you can try this: >> http://coolsoft.altervista.org/en/virtualmidisynth >> no need for a virtual midi cable to a vsthost. >> I don't think it supports all the CC in the GM standart but great >> anyway to listen to midi files or use midi generators (noatikl, >> compose, ...) >> >> Ben >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> Jeff Larson wrote: >> (26/06/2012 19:37) >> >> > My understanding is that 32-bit drivers will not work under 64-bit >> windows. 32-bit applications will usually work but not drivers. >> > >> > >> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-vista/32-bit-and-64-bit-windows-frequently-asked-questions >> > >> > Besides MidiYoke there is also this which I hear supports 64-bit but I >> have not used it. >> > >> > http://nerds.de/en/loopbe1.html >> > >> > Jeff >> > >> > From: kay'lon rushing > >> > Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>" < >> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>> >> > Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:24 AM >> > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>" < >> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>> >> > Subject: Re: Virtual midi cables for Win7 64bit? >> > Resent-From: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>" < >> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>> >> > Resent-Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:24 AM >> > >> > >> > Already tried it. Installation failed. >> > >> > On Jun 26, 2012 2:49 AM, "Per Boysen" > perboysen@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:16 AM, kay'lon rushing > > wrote: >> > > Do they exist for free? I need at least 4. >> > >> > Don't know, but you can go and see by yourself: http://www.midiox.com/ >> > >> > Greetings from Sweden >> > >> > Per Boysen >> > www.perboysen.com >> > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> --f46d04138a9dd5b68d04c36a883b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Its not for me its for a friend and i highly doubt he wants to buy it be= cause he barely knows anything about midi yet.

On Jun 26, 2012 1:58 PM, "Jeff Larson"= <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com= > wrote:
LoopBe1 is the free version that only has one connection. =A0LoopBe30 is th= e commercial version that has up to 30. =A0The price is 16.90 Euro or $19.9= 0 USD.

Fro= m: kay'lon rushing [k3zz21@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 2:19 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Virtual midi cables for Win7 64bit?

But loopBe1 only comes with one virtual connector doesnt it?

On Jun 26, 2012 11:41 AM, "Ben" <benoitruelle@yahoo= .fr> wrote:
Yes,

=A0"loopbe" works well on my 64bit Win7.

By the way if you want to replace your lame windows GM soundset by any
Soundfont, you can try this:
http://coolsoft.altervista.org/en/virtualmidisynth
no need for a virtual midi cable to a vsthost.
I don't think it supports all the CC in the GM standart but great
anyway to listen to midi files or use midi generators (noatikl,
compose, ...)

Ben


--------------------------------------------------
Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:
(26/06/2012 19:37)

> My understanding is that 32-bit drivers will not work under 64-bit win= dows. =A032-bit applications will usually work but not drivers.
>
> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-vista/32-bit-and-64-bit-windows-= frequently-asked-questions
>
> Besides MidiYoke there is also this which I hear supports 64-bit but I= have not used it.
>
> http://n= erds.de/en/loopbe1.html
>
> Jeff
>
> From: kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com<mailto:k3zz21@gmail.com>>
> Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<mailto:Loopers-= Delight@loopers-delight.com>" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight= .com<mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>>
> Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:24 AM
> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<mailto:Loopers-Deligh= t@loopers-delight.com>" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>>
> Subject: Re: Virtual midi cables for Win7 64bit?
> Resent-From: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<mailto:Loope= rs-Delight@loopers-delight.com>" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-deli= ght.com<mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>>
> Resent-Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:24 AM
>
>
> Already tried it. Installation failed.
>
> On Jun 26, 2012 2:49 AM, "Per Boysen" <perboysen@gmail.com<mailto:perboysen@gmail.com<= /a>>> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:16 AM, kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com<mailto:k3zz21@gmail.com>= ;> wrote:
> > Do they exist for free? I need at least 4.
>
> Don't know, but you can go and see by yourself: http://www.midiox.com/
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.c= om<http://www= .perboysen.com>
> http://= www.youtube.com/perboysen

--f46d04138a9dd5b68d04c36a883b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 07:05:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F41E518345D; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 07:05:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/wws18FnD1dQtKo1Pvb5+32RZ0I/QYVFaCCiOkIQEXc=; b=FcV1tKKkSpoUX1YHN6NiphRNeb7JtJe5yklar/TaG+rhSxaIIf+JeKTpOsDhHnVmwh SHDct25R3eXSntv8b3PgWqtzO5GrwXi9MT9PQ44BkyNOHZMwU76DYTjlAbtnACZXfDon TPson3ZpY1IjW5MZmzZK63dKAwLBayZpQeUuQMUNot9qPxS+YzTbBpAQAW/+KBp6IbMq uQIEEU1W6q3iDKuL1IYnFzJXWbjOS5RaK0aQfc5h4+01Rzp3ODAxdakGmukqofYv3/vI 8+F5p0J6qe+5lNLBmHhKA1FhQJAKz4ylBxKDzw1CzSDlF6SnuF6Z/MiIqdOzOJCdykfa fy3Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 00:05:22 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Teaching a newcomer From: "kay'lon rushing" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044481c7b1c4c204c36ed608 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 07:05:23 +0000 (UTC) --f46d044481c7b1c4c204c36ed608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dont think I've seen this posted before so i thought I'd ask, what are some ways to go about teaching a friend about live looping? I have a friend that wants to get into it however he has very little experience with any instrument to my knowledge. And my only experience is mainly from piano which I doubt he would want to take years to learn. What are some good approaches I can take to getting him started? --f46d044481c7b1c4c204c36ed608 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dont think I've seen this posted before so i thought I'd ask, wh= at are some ways to go about teaching a friend about live looping? I have a= friend that wants to get into it however he has very little experience wit= h any instrument to my knowledge. And my only experience is mainly from pia= no which I doubt he would want to take years to learn. What are some good a= pproaches I can take to getting him started?

--f46d044481c7b1c4c204c36ed608-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 07:35:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFE1018345D; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 07:35:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=zJUiSknzu08X9IjNb9cTlTvxYjO3KcNfh2Icekon9k4=; b=VG4MYiO7U6gwwQSUW4DJanB8Y8M3VQbRlqJZOo5XCGqP9ZMEMDWoi6JfyKj1vq2EVL /5nIW5mPEJ4T8t06+2Fz3mnm7+sbDyHAQ0kgbTC58hE46ZGIPtVr9nBdxDmW40PQ394P NXozZbGR3Eb6KThBpMVLCqggaJWunsfp2PsJ2/nnNi208PVnE85neLQGCJRufWkkAQVj BqngIwqv810vtKm2VRtW6ww3r5ew0xgEYZMFjIV7d3TsLDXjc+SxtooF27m3XsDo1r9y 35yZYx5jaG2FkF9i4Pklz1F3/6yaS7Y0gNKzItpeXcZibYmpplt++r6MCHXMy97bTa2P sIyg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 00:35:07 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Teaching a newcomer From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 07:35:08 +0000 (UTC) Hmmm, if your friend has very little experience with any instrument, then voice is probably a good one to start with. What is he looking to do with looping? When I show friends, the best thing I can do is show them the very basic acts of creating a first loop and adding overdubs. I don't show them any of the bells and whistles, because that gets to be too much information at once. Maybe after a few minutes or so, I'll show them the DL-4's half speed and reverse feature. An important thing for me is to do something else for a while while they work with it - I usually catch up with emails. Otherwise, I'll keep getting the urge to jump in and tell them how to make things better. (Your friend will probably need to ask you to remind him which switch does what a few times.) Also, by not sitting there watching them, you give them the opportunity to learn at their own pace without pressure. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 12:05 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > Dont think I've seen this posted before so i thought I'd ask, what are some > ways to go about teaching a friend about live looping? I have a friend that > wants to get into it however he has very little experience with any > instrument to my knowledge. And my only experience is mainly from piano > which I doubt he would want to take years to learn. What are some good > approaches I can take to getting him started? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 15:21:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7221B183461; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:21:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 530 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:21:12 UTC X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at waste.org Message-ID: <0231fb854717da72c29a6bb8a3bb3c2c.squirrel@waste.org> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:17:48 -0500 Subject: Just a couple of videos for y'all From: crash@waste.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <3nbyMD.A.WZD.pTy6PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:21:13 +0000 (UTC) It's been quite a while since I've posted anything here but since these are loop specific, mostly ambient: My 30 second PSA for my upcoming live looping gig on 7/6 in Minnesota: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4wLKWZyEz4 Atmos - dedicated to Kim Flint: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td2lR5WXOQ0 Distant Warning: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE_izU1YHFM Before Sleeping: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWk2MxXOHK4 Emperor of the Lost City of Dust: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECgcBVfv654 Most of these sound like synth but it's all heavily processed guitar. I have a domain finally now, aliensporebomb dot com for those interested. If you have any questions on how I did this just ask! Enjoy! -Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 15:34:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DFCB183460; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:34:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=/eH7m6hVgw3hqM4TNCTwWsVS+Xyxk+2eC7Y4ekHdT2o=; b=mjJcSCnaNLbSTGYuSsx6jxIf9KYe/2PHWo5wtgQy56K2ECt5WgiE88nWBxmu2HJ37G ZnHsUb/xUHZRkEizcCp3lCOyIqWPy6wZWbFWgr8WPx6IrapLcNXa74LSfv4+mId+w9QR b3jk7x+sa+NL7v+X45QFMTvRZlfb1sx4qWS13tf6lRzClL7Qd7pTocwxebGHmsf6z1CU virYZI2w5YeUoTxEtezoJLJM2l+mJhDvf62cJZUuZ0AlWYyiRkHM26QZCUyHc6i6S6Y1 GhlYhGv7kp2HUV+1eEhUQlyCnD7f5eZDIO4cmDzmxPedSCtO8YqxVB+oHQ8UIgz9/cWu Lh7Q== From: mark francombe Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:34:12 +0200 Message-ID: <6781205255435266374@unknownmsgid> Subject: The Occult Synth To: loopers-delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:34:21 +0000 (UTC) Anyone interested In this? http://boingboing.net/2012/06/27/synth.html Sent from my (advertisement removed) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 15:42:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A12D18345B; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:42:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=33L/CHY4w9w0hHyMUgsgf6RA8DgE4aYhsVdNGtAwBTg=; b=zEsjN0ktV+G+6ECmkuQlqTau2qDfl8G1CEEvbl8Z4l+1IdwE0lB9JwKqHFjqSWB3HI Ah+VLzyGbfIiQ/AIlphH3dnCaUhB3O7lLWgrhLkr7UA51LwvaLEgS40vOxxzsVbCOUSA Yu8wy7aoYNqA98UBIV9ATmKtK1eZj83EXMdbZ40nkqi6UKi9hVltKXNb0Suz5WyjBVlb v0cuIEr3sqoLcMGSSF0fvYOSCVEyaL1sfprlNh9JAXm/s/CwZgU4NIUJ7CObN7TFHddA TIdvRvrrBZI9P/i9gQo+paQSlaW+BLBkmedYsHTKdQEOkRI/yyCdidk8OEiq6CyyXEDb vJFw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6781205255435266374@unknownmsgid> References: <6781205255435266374@unknownmsgid> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 09:42:09 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The Occult Synth From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <1LeAkB.A.vvD.Rny6PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:42:09 +0000 (UTC) Hehe =85 just read that earlier this morning, shared from a FB friend. Amused to see the Scriabin connection. Too bad the device isn't more widely available=85 ~~Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:34 AM, mark francombe w= rote: > Anyone interested In this? > http://boingboing.net/2012/06/27/synth.html > > Sent from my (advertisement removed) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 15:50:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8F3118345B; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:50:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 487 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:50:20 UTC Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:42:13 +0000 (UTC) From: Christophe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <1834811902.628190.1340811733111.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <6781205255435266374@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: The Occult Synth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_628189_752926792.1340811733103" X-Originating-IP: [170.63.96.108] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:50:20 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_628189_752926792.1340811733103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes! Thanks for the link! I've never hard of this thing before! ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark francombe" To: "loopers-delight" Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 11:34:12 AM Subject: The Occult Synth Anyone interested In this? http://boingboing.net/2012/06/27/synth.html Sent from my (advertisement removed) ------=_Part_628189_752926792.1340811733103 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Yes!  Thanks for the link!  I've never hard of this thing before!

From: "mark francombe" <markfrancombe@gmail.com>
To: "loopers-delight" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 11:34:12 AM
Subject: The Occult Synth

Anyone interested In this?
http://boingboing.net/2012/06/27/synth.html

Sent from my (advertisement removed)

------=_Part_628189_752926792.1340811733103-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 15:54:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 560AA183452; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:54:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <6A13B8A0E4E145FC82EA55E3C09DB244@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <0231fb854717da72c29a6bb8a3bb3c2c.squirrel@waste.org> In-Reply-To: <0231fb854717da72c29a6bb8a3bb3c2c.squirrel@waste.org> Subject: A New Show Tonight. Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:54:48 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD5485.8F9D0BB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:54:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD5485.8F9D0BB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable in which I perform live musical improvisation, with ambient videoworks, = while contemplating the above phrase, and other things. 1230am London Time, 730pm Eastern, 430pm Pacific. http://www.ustream.tv/channel/audio-tarot-bone-throw ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD5485.8F9D0BB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
in which I perform live musical improvisation, with ambient = videoworks,=20 while contemplating the above phrase, and other things.
 
1230am London Time, 730pm Eastern, 430pm Pacific.
 
http://www.= ustream.tv/channel/audio-tarot-bone-throw
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD5485.8F9D0BB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 17:46:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECDDF18345E; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:46:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=19mFWjKyj4Pbi6Jpp1/dLVA797P3tXQZvBES4DyLe4A=; b=li05vflU8PuDhhvSFAx6ILmJPFmsqATRy3ypy40eOZeSFqilsF7q6U9tF1CqAeYN7X gIS+PoB/07iOMUkLdmMsrcxsWwl0jchZiaxCKWSQ6h4Kks9UYcrKvjcjQwH/TuwimK3m lnl11Wl9SIiUKQN0E6roq+rtFb5XfvKI0JxncfTRRkmO8agqOvukr64Tj/1CY//kZUHW usfb0v3lgAvf/GMLnIQGD8HhfgXCFzXCryFkcYyiChfOy1GLbay/ZViLz8suoBa4DsgG RX8/ar12y9aBsV3dYP7RGSpj0JmwA0OP8YhB0zc8TS23MLoG6yraSXoClzHQfm25if8J 1XHA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <6781205255435266374@unknownmsgid> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 13:46:48 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The Occult Synth From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb2072ea10d9904c377ccc2 Resent-Message-ID: <8tu_9C.A.MCF.Jc06PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:46:49 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8fb2072ea10d9904c377ccc2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ANS has a very old stye Windoz program http://www.warmplace.ru/soft/ans/index.php There are some other picture to sound programs/vst around such as Harsh Digital Nose http://www.kvraudio.com/developer_challenge_2009.php#dc09_54 An old one, Coagula is still around http://hem.passagen.se/rasmuse/Coagula.htm sorry nothing for you OSX peoples :) Jeff On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Dennis Moser wro= te: > Hehe =85 just read that earlier this morning, shared from a FB friend. > > Amused to see the Scriabin connection. Too bad the device isn't more > widely available=85 > > ~~Dennis > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:34 AM, mark francombe > wrote: > > Anyone interested In this? > > http://boingboing.net/2012/06/27/synth.html > > > > Sent from my (advertisement removed) > > > > --e89a8fb2072ea10d9904c377ccc2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ANS has a very old stye Windoz program http://www.warmplace.ru/soft/ans/index= .php

There are some other picture to sound programs/vst around s= uch as Harsh Digital Nose http://www.kvraudio.com/developer= _challenge_2009.php#dc09_54

An old one, Coagula is still around=A0 http://hem.passagen.se/rasmuse/Coa= gula.htm

sorry nothing for you OSX peoples :)

Jeff


On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.= com> wrote:
Hehe =85 just read that earlier this morning, shared from a FB friend.

Amused to see the Scriabin connection. Too bad the device isn't more widely available=85

~~Dennis

http://soundclo= ud.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com=
http://usrsla= shsbin.angrek.com/


On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:34 AM, mark francombe <markfrancombe@gmail.com> wrote= :
> Anyone interested In this?
> http://boingboing.net/2012/06/27/synth.html
>
> Sent from my (advertisement removed)
>


--e89a8fb2072ea10d9904c377ccc2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 18:07:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 656A7183460; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 18:07:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=a4yv9cnUs1yy76U6/ZbdfISs9qbSk9sHtpsb+foZoqg=; b=zoXMR4SPPnxl6qJYQTbzjHsOs/ajAGTbMZchRBFv9NH30VNDY/6xbr0/ssqg4ntQ9B s/AVTUKJm2LLVK/XZxYq0zIHHfyAfsYYcSZAopLQDYl+32t6WzYfz9Nk1bvjCKUvvLy5 MsN4tmIDelj+HBplktzxd+cBC+TiY+QryMvNL5ntqVUezqTSgMFKXcGAHuzKDqzF+xTD HhQJd+ouT10ouMPpa//f4Wn9XVqMzeoH5R3doFBNNVsu9g1fsbXvWHqZK/t0Q2Z5LkTV Ii+yRpHFaIZI4jAx3LawKvaZnk8piiOWCOn4NfDnpTljlxnFcjRNEP+rQnhcHYEDY4ZY ANmQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: giorgio.robino@gmail.com From: Solyaris Music Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 20:06:43 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: YQG0-TgFs7SfBJI98hShObu75TE Message-ID: Subject: mailing list illegible messages To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f646ab717cd4204c378156b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 18:07:05 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f646ab717cd4204c378156b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi all I'd interested to read mailing list messages (using gmail.com webmail), BUT most of threads seem to me illegible; It seem a "character encoding" issue: these messages appear to be in "not-rendered" HTML or similar (see the text chunk I reported at the end of this message). Can you please help me ? BTW, a web mailing-list / forum (as for example a yahoo group, see: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/spacemusic/) couldn't be a great solution ? Thank you for your help Cheers giorgio EXAMPLE OF ILLEGIBLE MESSAGE: *********************************************************************************************************** > = http://www.faderfox.de/mark/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&view=3Darticle&= id=3D135&Itemid=3D177 > =20 > You're looking at wrong fader fox tho. There's one that's ALL buttons = x 3 banks! =20 >=20 > Sent from my iPhone >=20 > On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:58 PM, "Kris Hartung" = wrote: >=20 >> You guys are great...you are like an instant support service. = >> Faderfox doesn=92t have enough buttons, but the Livid Block looks = perfect, plus has templates for Live. >> Kris >> =20 --Apple-Mail-20-1073370612 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Don't = own one but plan to...

Behringer BCR2000

I'm = going (hoping) to use it to control my Rhodes Chroma (and maybe some of = the other knob challenged old analogue synths) when it gets back from = restoration.  Not sure if this is what you were after Kris, but I = like real knobs.   *********************************************************************************************************** -- "Siamo polvere di stelle, siamo oro, e dobbiamo far ritorno al giardino" (Joni Mitchell) Giorgio Robino http://solyaris.altervista.org --e89a8f646ab717cd4204c378156b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all

I'd interested to read mailing list messages (using gmail.com webmail), BUT most of threads seem to= me illegible;
It seem a "character encoding" issue: these mes= sages appear to be in "not-rendered" HTML=C2=A0 or similar (see t= he text chunk I reported at the end of this message).


Can you please help me ?

BTW, a web mailing-list / forum (as= for example a yahoo group, see: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/spacemusic/) couldn't be a great solution ?

Thank you for your help
Cheers=
giorgio

EXAMPLE OF ILLEGIBLE MESSAGE:
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> =3D
h= ttp://www.faderfox.de/mark/index.php?option=3D3Dcom_content&view=3D3Dar= ticle&=3D
id=3D3D135&Itemid=3D3D177
> =3D20
> You're looking at wrong fader fox tho. There's one that's = ALL buttons =3D
x 3 banks! =3D20
>=3D20
> Sent from my iPhone
>=3D20
> On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:58 PM, "Kris Hartung" =3D
<krispen.= hartung@gmail.com> wrote:
>=3D20
>> You guys are great...you are like an instant support service. =C2= =A0=3D
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>> Faderfox doesn=3D92t have enough buttons, but the Livid Block look= s =3D
perfect, plus has templates for Live.
>> Kris
>> =3D20


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<html><head></head><body style=3D3D"word-wrap: br= eak-word; =3D
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">= Don't =3D
own one but plan to...<div><br></div><div>
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href=3D3D"http://www.behringer.com/DE/Products/BCR2000.aspx&q= uot;>http://www.behr= =3D
ing= er.com/DE/Products/BCR2000.aspx</a></div><div><br&= gt;</div><div>I'm =3D
going (hoping) to use it to control my Rhodes Chroma (and maybe some of =3D=
the other knob challenged old analogue synths) when it gets back from =3D restoration. &nbsp;Not sure if this is what you were after Kris, but I = =3D
like real knobs. &nbsp;
********************************************= ***************************************************************

--
"Siamo polvere di stelle, siamo oro, e dobb= iamo far ritorno al giardino" (Joni Mitchell)

Giorgio Robino http://solyaris.altervista.org
--e89a8f646ab717cd4204c378156b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 18:36:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E1C9183462; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 18:36:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=f/x7m1B8w7yvdlrCFpknRjw2Z6ZdLSNVXMFCBYemoS4=; b=Kh1zx6d2fuw5A7xOSO75AkOBiF75pRxMOrHerDR2eBbBMvKl8zNyjGKfbk05lZism5 e53/GlakgxYmeB3ERcy9JbU+05wk1mdYexZkUooLXQleh6TxJjGSXZWTe0gKURv1+CNf lIBm3P4jmMwafoSRV1G20tFGFim91wiU9PMGggleDo7rHUnDXT7RCOgboeH29WTiskXO F9rXPvJsQt5hr7QWRgOd44u+WvYiWPzJhfam3uswihJZ3pQNzhm0qo/w+rmAvD0icaTp JUoMY62rqYARJA4CkQJzD1TnHzNX93qEgpr6efPHKJNouSY/9A1lnzonSK/W5Unv0axJ LEkA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 14:36:23 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: mailing list illegible messages From: Thomas Wegmann To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 18:36:25 +0000 (UTC) I am not having this issue, could be in your settings. On 6/27/12, Solyaris Music wrote: > Hi all > > I'd interested to read mailing list messages (using gmail.com webmail), BUT > most of threads seem to me illegible; > It seem a "character encoding" issue: these messages appear to be in > "not-rendered" HTML or similar (see the text chunk I reported at the end > of this message). > > > Can you please help me ? > > BTW, a web mailing-list / forum (as for example a yahoo group, see: > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/spacemusic/) > couldn't be a great solution ? > > Thank you for your help > Cheers > giorgio > > EXAMPLE OF ILLEGIBLE MESSAGE: > *********************************************************************************************************** >> = > http://www.faderfox.de/mark/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&view=3Darticle&= > id=3D135&Itemid=3D177 >> =20 >> You're looking at wrong fader fox tho. There's one that's ALL buttons = > x 3 banks! =20 >>=20 >> Sent from my iPhone >>=20 >> On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:58 PM, "Kris Hartung" = > wrote: >>=20 >>> You guys are great...you are like an instant support service. = > >>> Faderfox doesn=92t have enough buttons, but the Livid Block looks = > perfect, plus has templates for Live. >>> Kris >>> =20 > > > --Apple-Mail-20-1073370612 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Type: text/html; > charset=windows-1252 > > -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Don't = > own one but plan to...

> Behringer BCR2000

I'm = > going (hoping) to use it to control my Rhodes Chroma (and maybe some of = > the other knob challenged old analogue synths) when it gets back from = > restoration.  Not sure if this is what you were after Kris, but I = > like real knobs.   > *********************************************************************************************************** > > > -- > "Siamo polvere di stelle, siamo oro, e dobbiamo far ritorno al giardino" > (Joni Mitchell) > > Giorgio Robino http://solyaris.altervista.org > -- Greg Wegmann TheWeg@Frontier.com TheWeg@GMail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 20:04:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5658E18345C; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 20:04:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 319454.51870.bm@omp1012.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1340827479; bh=pbwRlPQ49AkaDyJ8QkVbEwHbnoa6bU6mPd4uq1ta10U=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Qncu+lhQJkoWrmJ69ytM/oj3DBoef3eZc8BSIcUVqiPr5G55F5Bw0FozQQR5DFF5iwyEQnPiFm2eNkX63PVnd8TECdCJnbysYDwNT22BTcWKqiL4EKJae5HKndTbFgzxAi/SSHFlDw5QnxjNdrcnbUHQMzrm3JlGq9ugaWeUIIg= X-YMail-OSG: L4FSRKQVM1nNXZTPcorH5IZC47NslDHNbThx9Q.jLXawvUE yN4DVyxfBmciGvFfjJ6uELDVE8io25h3RC0z4ub0miefzP3vXKHbTFGbz7cd 87BucLfOe93U1qMSvpwSOQrXUJgcrULP0mw9bvHL6dz7zfSIREhEv9Yl1u3b nyZGF05jiO._Cj6hdp9kyg89Nq97BmbUdTVlZl1cEoy2P2Mwsj3pbq2v.JIg gF0LvW6LEhF4su9MvjZKeFPLAFbd_5_rjXCIMgG5no8.2Df_5DTuzi4RKdK9 RClLG6bSePUvhkVmOUkWJ.MBkHUZD793WxG51FdJhdjA9C_UGpFhNQtrbbsq QYfjchFupU_c0GBDTDRayltXiDhUIwaML14cDokR8GVeFeJuIPy7yTWIEV6I lZYjngcGJa6i9lmj9FKlLzrdV9ncwaI7hRr0oLDupyu0BXBomZvaMSR7cdiG iTQRiZN7J8vhe5eeFiB4gpbGOM.7MDXODC8Xs8lANgGUQx9Msox_EbXWir3B 5OxFP0PB_.kmJ6e6pJT.ipezxfOxaAXcokHq0sqf5On.HxNBFhayVU.wLGFk dItC4Nnd4oFjynCSgx0dw_HktBqGHScZBDJXzFcT0EwXolCCyYkVnZJwSbSW Lmy59AiaSwPw7s1_yGQUq4AfDsBvTHU6zGdeA2dRznqjPL8m4v.UwGJwCmV3 4E1HScrDzXJ7j9GAbFHc32Jhsxc8pOEGdJubknzrLk9Y- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1340827479.42994.YahooMailClassic@web84514.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 13:04:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: The Occult Synth To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6781205255435266374@unknownmsgid> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 20:04:41 +0000 (UTC) VERY INTERESTED. GREAT ARTICLE, AND THANKS. Tim Mungenast Editor/Writer/Proofreader: www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast Guitarist/Composer/Vocalist: www.reverbnation.com/timmungenast --- On Wed, 6/27/12, mark francombe wrote: > From: mark francombe > Subject: The Occult Synth > To: "loopers-delight" > Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2012, 11:34 AM > Anyone interested In this? > http://boingboing.net/2012/06/27/synth.html > > Sent from my (advertisement removed) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 20:15:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94279183455; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 20:15:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 340 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 20:15:38 UTC X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at d2.hostbaby.com From: john floridis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Possibly OT / Interviewing Nels Cline Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 14:09:50 -0600 Message-Id: <484D78D9-38FA-48FB-973D-206BECCEF2C0@johnfloridis.com> To: Delight Loopers Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 20:15:38 +0000 (UTC) I'm taking a shot here that some of the folks on this list are Nels = Cline fans. Not sure if he does any looping, but I produce a 30 minute = feature for Montana Public Radio called Musician's Spotlight, and I'm = interviewing Nels tomorrow while Wilco is in Missoula. =20 Anyone have some good suggestions for questions? Keep in mind this is a = show for an intelligent audience, but not an audience of us music geeks = :-) I've not gotten too deep in to Nels stuff, but I'm smart enough to know = he's going to be a great guest on the show. Thanks, John= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 23:20:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CFFF18345D; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:20:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=psWcb5N98119OaOi9bjyg15qVElTHlpKZyP+LUQnThs= c=1 sm=1 a=KfGq-mLK1qwA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=WkZk2ZP4VAoA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=qYz8RHWopigd8QnFYCx1XA==:17 a=Xe9TTMLoMAfhVWSZ3VMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=qYz8RHWopigd8QnFYCx1XA==:117 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 19:20:25 -0400 (EDT) From: =?UTF8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <36cec81d.6447f.138303ee833.Webtop.46@charter.net> Subject: RE: Possibly OT / Interviewing Nels Cline MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 X-SID: 46 X-Originating-IP: [68.118.35.162] Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:20:26 +0000 (UTC) Say hello to him for me. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 1:09 PM, john floridis wrote: > I'm taking a shot here that some of the folks on this list are Nels > Cline fans. Not sure if he does any looping, but I produce a 30 > minute feature for Montana Public Radio called Musician's Spotlight, > and I'm interviewing Nels tomorrow while Wilco is in Missoula. > Anyone have some good suggestions for questions? Keep in mind this is > a show for an intelligent audience, but not an audience of us music > geeks :-) > > I've not gotten too deep in to Nels stuff, but I'm smart enough to > know he's going to be a great guest on the show. > Thanks, > John From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 28 00:37:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58D9C18345D; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 00:37:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FEBA740.608@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:37:20 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "kay'lon rushing" , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Teaching a newcomer References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 00:37:28 +0000 (UTC) On 6/27/12 12:05 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > > Dont think I've seen this posted before so i thought I'd ask, what are > some ways to go about teaching a friend about live looping? I have a > friend that wants to get into it however he has very little experience > with any instrument to my knowledge. And my only experience is mainly > from piano which I doubt he would want to take years to learn. What > are some good approaches I can take to getting him started? > I teach people all the time, professionally and concur with Matt's advice. Human voice is probably the quickest way to get them interested in the tools. I just work with them on getting them to make a rhythmic loop that isn't lumpy so that they understand how important it is to begin a loop at the exact time that they start singing/playing and then truncating the loop on the next appropriate downbeat of their loop. This can take a while. I also wait until they have a few successes under their belt before showing them additional features (reverse, speed shifts, replace features, etc.). What's important I find it to get out of their way and let them make mistakes.......you can see if they are not understanding something important but it's more powerful to let them learn from their own mistakes unless they get stuck behind a concept. rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 28 00:49:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DFB9183462; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 00:49:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 575120.88336.bm@omp1012.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1340844575; bh=nt67TYTD5QhE30oHA3TR/2YMLujdNvp2Hp+cbw4Fu6s=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer; b=ZHgYJn+ihM7kwaORpt+QphnlVHGSZSBUuddADeLX2BqQGjls487/hcFsMWreOJM/6DGe3c4jLgw7ZRSwnlJLLgJa5ZOHzwtm2BHWSetYf6JkY9CgPs51L0gWauxNBgaPW0Aajj/ejloEQSZsX12lIi0B6Vr6qXwhEPvwdLzrHYQ= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: hx8gAlYVM1l3V6RnjZjn9ZKTWdwbFoYTv6Ot5CKLH7Htp2I TMYCQfZSUTyb8ObMUo4KOl7JzQI7YZ39JgMdKSk94JSS_Qfv2YHf1a9rLmci u9uXtCJcEjAHHmzQzJAKBNoO7SG38ijjLE3vaLY9PQwH8BGqHlWWgfzMeYv. X7IXNhxCt6snydsJ4WkTYaM0zI2GJjJvtPJgGTFjO38ofuQCUJPQZyWSLhYK mLLsFpr.57VDndpEWsYrmvZZkjmkAPPOFGeFLEmWFUYcK8aIA4y_zGZ5Kb_a AVJsjk9ZtHpurjQQY_bJ6Pha0dsnst7AkR4wl4btdEOxlEsjs2NBSUyiOdSP oGMysjlQc6jlxhavZ2kBl7TjqM9GdP_bcII47GKPwTNKy0oHPSx3EHMw6THU D4Q-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: ILs26NSswBDuK82.iJb8TCN7cubm0SmUbZYidhSBIQ-- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Subject: Re: Teaching a newcomer From: Laurie Amat In-Reply-To: <4FEBA740.608@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:49:33 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <784654E9-A362-42BD-BC4A-D67AE96DCFA1@att.net> References: <4FEBA740.608@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 00:49:37 +0000 (UTC) Might I add that I agree with Rick about the voice, and also to suggest = to your friend that they use the voice not just for melodic sound, but = as a percussion instrument and simple sound maker as well. One thing you = might try is to have them start with a loop of very sparse little = sounds, not necessarily singing, that way they can hear what it is = about, recognize what they've done, and add little by little to their = original. They can even imitate other things, such as machines, animals, = the possibilities are endless. Not feeling the pressure to "sing" will = enable them to relax and you can then put forth the idea that there = isn't a wrong way to learn. It's true that at some point they might = overdo it, or they might not like it, but it will be a visceral and = natural approach and with the off button, no foul, no harm (since we're = on baseball today-I love Timmy!)=20 But I think it's really important to remind your friend that the voice = is a toy that can do whatever he wants. Just like when he was a child. = And it can be fun and pretty funny too. The use of the voice is so = personal and can be a loaded proposition for some. Fun, Fun, Fun and = goofy can be a good approach. I'll think more about this learning thing... On Jun 27, 2012, at 5:37 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 6/27/12 12:05 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: >>=20 >> Dont think I've seen this posted before so i thought I'd ask, what = are some ways to go about teaching a friend about live looping? I have a = friend that wants to get into it however he has very little experience = with any instrument to my knowledge. And my only experience is mainly = from piano which I doubt he would want to take years to learn. What are = some good approaches I can take to getting him started? >>=20 > I teach people all the time, professionally and concur with Matt's = advice. >=20 > Human voice is probably the quickest way to get them interested in the = tools. >=20 > I just work with them on getting them to make a rhythmic loop that = isn't lumpy so that > they understand how important it is to begin a loop at the exact time = that they start > singing/playing and then truncating the loop on the next appropriate = downbeat of their > loop. >=20 > This can take a while. I also wait until they have a few successes = under their belt before showing > them additional features (reverse, speed shifts, replace features, = etc.). >=20 > What's important I find it to get out of their way and let them make = mistakes.......you can see if they > are not understanding something important but it's more powerful to = let them learn from their own > mistakes unless they get stuck behind a concept. >=20 > rick >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 28 01:20:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 506A318345D; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 01:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 811184.52947.bm@omp1020.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1340846420; bh=oN6U3XI3g3nV302GeYjgRfABcHiqkxi8SP2nw40xBXs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TYbMfa4IL3m8mYhTiY8glHiKEyEBEtJJCsN+pMb9qEJwCe2XdZX/IBkITKSiEiCPwqEuCgd4Juxth+zQr7PQlXrs9VVxDbvX+1GyfxQCEQdgx8Z6w1/R2yZc9r/NrJGYOiQB9toipVXPyXVRgYbmS/35WOR5SPqzX/90cW6lDfw= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=evZsXy7IPYXy5W2t8XsEC8JTVB5gsubj1bSIX6xBnAbcS/W1J5vJNyDLk9xyRyBXQhOHlJa6NNSHCfs0lWjm+xB/WqWFdLHWoLmFFHX30dF6Y0668NwrO9QMfclNjYN6PoDAiyvwMZXkSnxSXrsyuwUJmEeJMpyRdUHPpaaacMo=; X-YMail-OSG: MUASujkVM1ny2CXZDAoGXKk.h9E3gsFCorjMuvXB5F57O2J LIJtZUqkJ5tNpV4ISoW5lue6NWtMXOXopL3Boxje0eGa5yqOF2i38G_gMueD 1N.79b7RBTD0z8EUETcAZWyWq_uhL9GkiPxzGz0a1JSzoj3RHfsYEQACeLgz j8DlGwGioxkV98lkfIo5RyRdYg_eFNX5fjL_SEVKpMN6qb86jP1F8V3FqRbs .w9nSabac85CPVEzpnOj3FXEH24vdp6.xvPC03ucEMvPHsjmp3mpmqp2mXIW qcUJa3IYj0IbbjsPK2Fg2o_AjN3ouFbOeFG0OdZsmNeUcB4_enynMz39jPmd dtW4tRI2CKL_77cDl1K5t7pgn4sRkLXqQT0PAiS9ZIid2lJ4pcBaiX10POgb 0FXFNGFSo0TT0s_Jnjbjp9x9YXffE.jZa53j_VqYKSP1uIzIVywnndRLBQ2L tVJ9vnzBpXGpO26XY X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4FEBA740.608@cruzio.com> <784654E9-A362-42BD-BC4A-D67AE96DCFA1@att.net> Message-ID: <1340846420.73218.YahooMailNeo@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 18:20:20 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Teaching a newcomer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <784654E9-A362-42BD-BC4A-D67AE96DCFA1@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-2002498609-1743263420-1340846420=:73218" Resent-Message-ID: <5KyF2C.A.XCB.VF76PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 01:20:21 +0000 (UTC) ---2002498609-1743263420-1340846420=:73218 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i have to chime in here. If you buy an inexpensive sampler, (Casio SK-5/SK-= 60), the "performer" can load in short samples of voice, and use them as rh= ythm tracks. I don't know how many "Wednesday music jams nights" we had whe= re the singer would cradle the SK in his arm and tap out samples to augment= his vocal. Granted, the SK-60 does not have a line out, but it is easily a= dded. Not to mention, the 60s internal sounds have bunches of vocal samples= on board. This gives the vocalist something to add in addition to "vocals"= . Also on the SK-60, you can hit a button that will play each sample consec= utively. It is cool what a vocalist can do with this "toy" at hand while vo= calizing. Preload samples relevant to the song, sing, and play samples. "Tr= y it, you'll like it.=0ARig=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A Fro= m: Laurie Amat =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.c= om =0ASent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 5:49 PM=0ASubject: Re: Teaching a newc= omer=0A =0AMight I add that I agree with Rick about the voice, and also to = suggest to your friend that they use the voice not just for melodic sound, = but as a percussion instrument and simple sound maker as well. One thing yo= u might try is to have them start with a loop of very sparse little sounds,= not necessarily singing, that way they can hear what it is about, recogniz= e what they've done, and add little by little to their original. They can e= ven imitate other things, such as machines, animals, the possibilities are = endless. Not feeling the pressure to "sing" will enable them to relax and y= ou can then put forth the idea that there isn't a wrong way to learn. It's = true that at some point they might overdo it, or they might not like it, bu= t it will be a visceral and natural approach and with the off button, no fo= ul, no harm (since we're on baseball today-I love Timmy!) =0A=0ABut I think= it's really important to remind your friend that the voice is a toy that c= an do whatever he wants. Just like when he was a child. And it can be fun a= nd pretty funny too. The use of the voice is so personal and can be a loade= d proposition for some. Fun, Fun, Fun and goofy can be a good approach.=0A= =0AI'll think more about this learning thing...=0A=0AOn Jun 27, 2012, at 5:= 37 PM, Rick Walker wrote:=0A=0A> On 6/27/12 12:05 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote= :=0A>> =0A>> Dont think I've seen this posted before so i thought I'd ask, = what are some ways to go about teaching a friend about live looping? I have= a friend that wants to get into it however he has very little experience w= ith any instrument to my knowledge. And my only experience is mainly from p= iano which I doubt he would want to take years to learn. What are some good= approaches I can take to getting him started?=0A>> =0A> I teach people all= the time, professionally and concur with Matt's advice.=0A> =0A> Human voi= ce is probably the quickest way to get them interested in the tools.=0A> = =0A> I just work with them on getting them to make a rhythmic loop that isn= 't lumpy so that=0A> they understand how important it is to begin a loop at= the exact time that they start=0A> singing/playing and then truncating the= loop on the next appropriate downbeat of their=0A> loop.=0A> =0A> This can= take a while.=A0 =A0 I also wait until they have a few successes under the= ir belt before showing=0A> them additional features (reverse, speed shifts,= replace features, etc.).=0A> =0A> What's important I find it to get out of= their way and let them make mistakes.......you can see if they=0A> are not= understanding something important but it's more powerful to let them learn= from their own=0A> mistakes unless they get stuck behind a concept.=0A> = =0A> rick=0A> ---2002498609-1743263420-1340846420=:73218 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i have to chime in here. If you buy an inexpensive sampler, (Casio SK-5/SK-= 60), the "performer" can load in short samples of voice, and use = them as rhythm tracks. I don't know how many "Wednesday music jams= nights" we had where the singer would cradle the SK in his arm and ta= p out samples to augment his vocal. Granted, the SK-60 does not have a line= out, but it is easily added. Not to mention, the 60s internal sounds have = bunches of vocal samples on board. This gives the vocalist something to add= in addition to "vocals". Also on the SK-60, you can hit a button= that will play each sample consecutively. It is cool what a vocalist can d= o with this "toy" at hand while vocalizing. Preload samples relev= ant to the song, sing, and play samples. "Try it, you'll like it.<= br />Rig
From: Laurie Amat <voicesound@att.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=
Sent: Wednesday, Jun= e 27, 2012 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: Teaching a newcomer

=0AMight I add that I = agree with Rick about the voice, and also to suggest to your friend that th= ey use the voice not just for melodic sound, but as a percussion instrument= and simple sound maker as well. One thing you might try is to have them st= art with a loop of very sparse little sounds, not necessarily singing, that= way they can hear what it is about, recognize what they've done, and add l= ittle by little to their original. They can even imitate other things, such= as machines, animals, the possibilities are endless. Not feeling the press= ure to "sing" will enable them to relax and you can then put forth the idea= that there isn't a wrong way to learn. It's true that at some point they m= ight overdo it, or they might not like it, but it will be a visceral and na= tural approach and with the off button, no foul, no harm (since we're on ba= seball today-I love Timmy!)

But I think it's really important to re= mind your friend that the voice is a toy that can do whatever he wants. Just like when he was a child. And it can be fun and= pretty funny too. The use of the voice is so personal and can be a loaded = proposition for some. Fun, Fun, Fun and goofy can be a good approach.
I'll think more about this learning thing...

On Jun 27, 2012, at 5= :37 PM, Rick Walker wrote:

> On 6/27/12 12:05 AM, kay'lon rushing= wrote:
>>
>> Dont think I've seen this posted before so= i thought I'd ask, what are some ways to go about teaching a friend about = live looping? I have a friend that wants to get into it however he has very= little experience with any instrument to my knowledge. And my only experie= nce is mainly from piano which I doubt he would want to take years to learn= . What are some good approaches I can take to getting him started?
>&= gt;
> I teach people all the time, professionally and concur with Ma= tt's advice.
>
> Human voice is probably the quickest way to get them interested in the tools.
>
> I just work with= them on getting them to make a rhythmic loop that isn't lumpy so that
&= gt; they understand how important it is to begin a loop at the exact time t= hat they start
> singing/playing and then truncating the loop on the = next appropriate downbeat of their
> loop.
>
> This can = take a while.    I also wait until they have a few successes unde= r their belt before showing
> them additional features (reverse, spee= d shifts, replace features, etc.).
>
> What's important I find= it to get out of their way and let them make mistakes.......you can see if= they
> are not understanding something important but it's more power= ful to let them learn from their own
> mistakes unless they get stuck= behind a concept.
>
> rick
>



---2002498609-1743263420-1340846420=:73218-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 28 06:40:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1000F183452; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <20120628012023.0D0D0183464@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20120628012023.0D0D0183464@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: RE: mailing list illegible messages Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 08:40:44 +0200 Message-ID: <005801cd54f8$f2850980$d78f1c80$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0059_01CD5509.B60DD980" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-Language: de Thread-Index: Ac1UzSKm5KtbWuTGQZ66/3kIzNBZpwAKhjDg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:40:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01CD5509.B60DD980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I'd interested to read mailing list messages (using = gmail.com webmail), BUT most of threads seem to me = illegible =20 the same here if I want to read LD on my Android phone (with = googlemail). LD messages seem to come in some kind of binary file = format that can be interpreted by most mail clients (such as Outlook) = but if you save an LD message as a file, rename it to HTML, and open it = in an Ascii editor or a browser, what you get is illegible binary stuff. =20 Anyway I don't think there is a way to change that. I don't know what = kind of software creates the LD mailing list but it allows for HTML = code. I think Yahoo mailing lists are generally Ascii-only and should be = readable with all clients, but the LD list is a different animal. =20 -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01CD5509.B60DD980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> I'd interested to read = mailing list messages (using gmail.com webmail), BUT most of = threads seem to me illegible

 

the same here if I want to read LD on = my Android phone (with googlemail).=C2=A0 LD messages seem to come in = some kind of binary file format that can be interpreted by most mail = clients (such as Outlook) but if you save an LD message as a file, = rename it to HTML, and open it in an Ascii = editor or a browser, what you get is illegible binary = stuff.

 

Anyway I don't think there is a way to = change that.=C2=A0 I don't know = what kind of software creates the LD mailing list but it allows for HTML = code. I think Yahoo mailing lists are generally Ascii-only and should be readable with all = clients, but the LD list is a different animal.

 

-Michael

------=_NextPart_000_0059_01CD5509.B60DD980-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 28 07:38:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2036A18345D; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 07:38:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_d407c8e3-166d-4000-9cb5-f1ee339d1758_" X-Originating-IP: [86.153.221.83] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Just a couple of videos for y'all Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 07:38:17 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0231fb854717da72c29a6bb8a3bb3c2c.squirrel@waste.org> References: <0231fb854717da72c29a6bb8a3bb3c2c.squirrel@waste.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jun 2012 07:38:17.0277 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB943ED0:01CD5500] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 07:38:18 +0000 (UTC) --_d407c8e3-166d-4000-9cb5-f1ee339d1758_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gorgeous textures here Todd especially "Atmos". Peace G Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > Date: Wed=2C 27 Jun 2012 10:17:48 -0500 > Subject: Just a couple of videos for y'all > From: crash@waste.org > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > It's been quite a while since I've posted anything here but since these > are loop specific=2C mostly ambient: >=20 > My 30 second PSA for my upcoming live looping gig on 7/6 in Minnesota: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Da4wLKWZyEz4 >=20 > Atmos - dedicated to Kim Flint: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dtd2lR5WXOQ0 >=20 > Distant Warning: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DhE_izU1YHFM >=20 > Before Sleeping: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DoWk2MxXOHK4 >=20 > Emperor of the Lost City of Dust: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DECgcBVfv654 >=20 > Most of these sound like synth but it's all heavily processed guitar. >=20 > I have a domain finally now=2C aliensporebomb dot com for those intereste= d. >=20 > If you have any questions on how I did this just ask! >=20 > Enjoy! >=20 > -Todd >=20 >=20 = --_d407c8e3-166d-4000-9cb5-f1ee339d1758_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gorgeous textures here Todd especially "Atmos".

Peace

G


Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: <= a href=3D"http://garethwhittock.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">garethwhittock.co.= uk

>=3B Date: Wed= =2C 27 Jun 2012 10:17:48 -0500
>=3B Subject: Just a couple of videos f= or y'all
>=3B From: crash@waste.org
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loop= ers-delight.com
>=3B
>=3B It's been quite a while since I've pos= ted anything here but since these
>=3B are loop specific=2C mostly amb= ient:
>=3B
>=3B My 30 second PSA for my upcoming live looping gi= g on 7/6 in Minnesota:
>=3B http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Da4wLKWZyE= z4
>=3B
>=3B Atmos - dedicated to Kim Flint:
>=3B http://ww= w.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dtd2lR5WXOQ0
>=3B
>=3B Distant Warning:>=3B http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DhE_izU1YHFM
>=3B
>=3B = Before Sleeping:
>=3B http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DoWk2MxXOHK4
= >=3B
>=3B Emperor of the Lost City of Dust:
>=3B http://www.yo= utube.com/watch?v=3DECgcBVfv654
>=3B
>=3B Most of these sound li= ke synth but it's all heavily processed guitar.
>=3B
>=3B I have= a domain finally now=2C aliensporebomb dot com for those interested.
&g= t=3B
>=3B If you have any questions on how I did this just ask!
&g= t=3B
>=3B Enjoy!
>=3B
>=3B -Todd
>=3B
>=3B
=
= --_d407c8e3-166d-4000-9cb5-f1ee339d1758_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 28 12:08:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BBF418345B; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:08:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FEC4953.6030709@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 08:08:51 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3qdGR.A.XkF.YlE7PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:08:56 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long Special Focus on mindSpiral. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Curiosa Positronica" on Earth Mantra Records. The Focus page is at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#jun Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. Note: The WDIY website has changed and the Galactic Travels portion is gone. I will be working this issue. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 28 15:35:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BD6E18345D; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:35:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rNnwc4GuLLnTfZiwQy0L/33LeAYprCBUa+URyBvjKXE=; b=m6dE0GyFVWsTV3tgqIdxUB/nHCvXLwHKOTR+HZ/4YKcRakDeuDilMjCR+5NfEceBuV Hb5e29izTTyr1DSWUglNUOxK+FxMfKNSsIMZB900qi8M6pksuXkuJUziKqrPhPhIehP8 2EnEhhOhLxyBnv0wAuhIFZRmQUh3PjmSsCebqqc2L1Llss5PsDKZ8IPiup26Y7emS2pQ YFjYy1lKO9ufuweBwj0hb6t4qk1fCDS3gKy40zJZggXUC9LsFvSbz3gqopTniaQqLlPp pAQCnMC1D7fTXaSgBrwMMZMU/6/5Ph+mAYEtLtGBiePiz5Xi3ObOynT5bLm4Lx+tQ6nl md6Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:34:59 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Anyone license their music? From: mc kr To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:35:00 +0000 (UTC) I was interesting in finding out how I could license my music for use in commercials/movies. I do ambient/textural stuff that I feel would be most appropriate for such things. Anyone work with an agency, or did people approach you? What kind of recording quality is expected? Do you have to work to particular standards for audio/video collaboration? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 28 15:43:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2579183460; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:43:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=9S+B9yfGAnCvTJgGfQRRMN1xtVKkAlLhPedz8Dvq2Wo=; b=jQb7KNGmjW9UEw/qzbDxn9DeCbdDjaofHc2TSbujFx7590c7rKbd3eLXO/B9FqzvR0 HLYl+6ft3Dx6Cb67LHgg123fC+T7aFqjRJ1lEgGtRilorqcWlYudEhKQXrWqxfdYEStg C26msCDJcuqToCoX1gq4CLcpp1tw0sVreg9RG6da+Hu0siRDxacbMosFO6ssan1zxgAW tWZNWrIa3MBF7kZn4O7HuGjduQgRHEpnNBhk+FmKmVFOgnyRFQYMVbnYt+ztDf83KVv9 MUgzcj241PXEWO8CFL/s148ibz9IUqDZl/eaAxwQfQTSqh69O5dEo7Pb7PwY0Rodh760 /amw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:42:59 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: sYtIsm1hE-dOI4kU_2nh7Wzlcak Message-ID: Subject: Re: Anyone license their music? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba61548ee5657204c38a309d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:43:21 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba61548ee5657204c38a309d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Actually Im struggling a bit with the legality of this, I am a member of Tono the Norwegian Perfoming Rights company, and yet I have been licensing my stuff in corporate films through my contracts with my film clients.. apparently I HAVE to register my works with Tono, and then THEY will charge my clients... If this is the case, my clients will simple tell me NOT to use my own music (as they dont want to pay any additional fees in a project) and tell me to use freebie library music instead... There is SHITLOADS of VERY hight quality free music out there now, that all my colleagues use, everything from Ambient, to Dubstep to Classical... too much infact. Tono, which is supposed to look out for my rights as a recording musician has effectively removed my only chance to write music in my work... Bummer... Mark On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 5:34 PM, mc kr wrote: > I was interesting in finding out how I could license my music for use > in commercials/movies. I do ambient/textural stuff that I feel would > be most appropriate for such things. > > Anyone work with an agency, or did people approach you? > > What kind of recording quality is expected? Do you have to work to > particular standards for audio/video collaboration? > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --90e6ba61548ee5657204c38a309d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually Im struggling a bit with the legality of this, I am a member of To= no the Norwegian Perfoming Rights company, and yet I have been licensing my= stuff in corporate films through my contracts with my film clients.. appar= ently I HAVE to register my works with Tono, and then THEY will charge my c= lients... If this is the case, my clients will simple tell me NOT to use my= own music (as they dont want to pay any additional fees in a project) and = tell me to use freebie library music instead... There is SHITLOADS of VERY = hight quality free music out there now, that all my colleagues use, everyth= ing from Ambient, to Dubstep to Classical... too much infact. Tono, which i= s supposed to look out for my rights as a recording musician has effectivel= y removed my only chance to write music in my work...

Bummer...


Mark




On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 5:34 PM, mc kr <marcusloops@gmail.com>= wrote:
I was interesting in finding out how I could= license my music for use
in commercials/movies. I do ambient/textural stuff that I feel would
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Anyone work with an agency, or did people approach you?

What kind of recording quality is expected? Do you have to work to
particular standards for audio/video collaboration?




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http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--90e6ba61548ee5657204c38a309d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 28 15:45:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C0D018345D; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:45:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=MU4L3AIqt6bJtrwEU5SmbUZ0F/ybahwERchOGu1J2J8=; b=Gp+dCwMoXGFllltkOUJOZ0NrIJkd5G/LsrojqBO7vmwDn9Nyiwp592L3miS86hMMCc lYV51CfdnGspYEejOYO+fZbQyPcPMyCJnLQMwpURcjCunHljx5GolXXqTIntbOxM9U6Y Ibj1JmKm4sa1SuZ9i0PkmXYmz9Qa9gHhaYM3Rn2o6+g/3fo7sEQsJ8A4jXWZAkwCQv5v Zz5N1i5j0Slmg80GA/oJDbz4eZmyeJVJ62cXDwDLHNPyp4tnQ2CUeGVb48mKl/xrETxw URLe5FiAl4EvWdb1a6vgs/UJpX/7m/GITIQoPpyAyPkoM+K40fnLcinWc3OIseJKuwm3 QCxw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:45:35 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Anyone license their music? From: mc kr To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:45:37 +0000 (UTC) Damn, sorry to hear that. My next question was going to be about working with creative commons-type organizations for protection. I know there's a demand for music, as a few of my friends have received a couple of thousand U.S. dollars to license their stuff to various commercials/television shows. It's by no means a living salary, but it helps. On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:42 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Actually Im struggling a bit with the legality of this, I am a member of > Tono the Norwegian Perfoming Rights company, and yet I have been licensing > my stuff in corporate films through my contracts with my film clients.. > apparently I HAVE to register my works with Tono, and then THEY will charge > my clients... If this is the case, my clients will simple tell me NOT to use > my own music (as they dont want to pay any additional fees in a project) and > tell me to use freebie library music instead... There is SHITLOADS of VERY > hight quality free music out there now, that all my colleagues use, > everything from Ambient, to Dubstep to Classical... too much infact. Tono, > which is supposed to look out for my rights as a recording musician has > effectively removed my only chance to write music in my work... > > Bummer... > > > Mark > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 5:34 PM, mc kr wrote: >> >> I was interesting in finding out how I could license my music for use >> in commercials/movies. I do ambient/textural stuff that I feel would >> be most appropriate for such things. >> >> Anyone work with an agency, or did people approach you? >> >> What kind of recording quality is expected? Do you have to work to >> particular standards for audio/video collaboration? >> > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 28 15:57:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99D4F183462; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:57:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2728 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:57:02 UTC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Subject: RE: mailing list illegible messages From: jrploopers In-Reply-To: <20120628120856.D77F6183464@arsenic.violacea.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:11:14 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9326CA43-B221-49DA-8C1A-33CF05A6ED6F@kliklak.net> References: <20120628120856.D77F6183464@arsenic.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dallas.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:57:02 +0000 (UTC) LD-list emails and digests do not use HTML. They are text-only (which is = good because nobody can flood us with images etc., which would as well = increase bandwidth load on server a lot) jayrope --- kliklak.net aircushionfinish.com prinzenallee.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 28 16:45:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5274183462; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:45:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=NqXIFqgPox2irbakn6D9t2EGXOqCucKa7L8uy2a6i/o=; b=ZKdRknsxKSKHKN9TXWRrGpqphG6s0vyFVawmbAMqM9lg89N+TjGr51XAzmQHDrdL7d nbPLAXm0DOdzKqFXsJ22viglTC8naKmCc4pOQSZX5w1NyvVelSYiEI/BkQaq6agXUasz BgwFAbw4mItY9TxhSo3qqonDcme+WVqrS6si9RbV/fgYhoIcapmcFoGuW9LoNjtf3jpa TTeks0MlIfKmh6HBWyaGbY4nTF89391YPL7VWXyQSAJ33C0U5gcFBeroMbWLwyxDVe2S 89a7ZcbBouCz+AQx3KUqoPTSxx8wT1CkPGWQfYzUBocEUiH/7z8IGXEhB2+W3Bl0/PUL id/Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:45:58 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Anyone license their music? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:45:59 +0000 (UTC) I recently started licensing music for media, so called "production music", formerly known as "library music" since it was distributed on thematic CD libraries. Today there are online forums run by specialized publishers that order music from composers and producers to offer media workers as a fast and convenient music solution. I researched the marked and found that the publisher best suited for me to work with actually was based in the city where I live, so I called them up and popped over for a meeting. I was amazed with the exactness in the business; there are specific templates for how you compose and mix recorded music to be suitable for commercial placement (dealing with length, cues and giving the end user good options to cut in your master and use parts of it to fit in with whatever media work they are finalizing). The requested format is the same as traditionally in film music; master files at 48 kHz and 24 bits. Deals may vary, but the contract I have with my publisher allows me to use one theme out of a delivered piece in some other work. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 5:45 PM, mc kr wrote: > Damn, sorry to hear that. > > My next question was going to be about working with creative > commons-type organizations for protection. > > I know there's a demand for music, as a few of my friends have > received a couple of thousand U.S. dollars to license their stuff to > various commercials/television shows. It's by no means a living > salary, but it helps. > > On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:42 AM, mark francombe wrote: >> Actually Im struggling a bit with the legality of this, I am a member of >> Tono the Norwegian Perfoming Rights company, and yet I have been licensing >> my stuff in corporate films through my contracts with my film clients.. >> apparently I HAVE to register my works with Tono, and then THEY will charge >> my clients... If this is the case, my clients will simple tell me NOT to use >> my own music (as they dont want to pay any additional fees in a project) and >> tell me to use freebie library music instead... There is SHITLOADS of VERY >> hight quality free music out there now, that all my colleagues use, >> everything from Ambient, to Dubstep to Classical... too much infact. Tono, >> which is supposed to look out for my rights as a recording musician has >> effectively removed my only chance to write music in my work... >> >> Bummer... >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 5:34 PM, mc kr wrote: >>> >>> I was interesting in finding out how I could license my music for use >>> in commercials/movies. I do ambient/textural stuff that I feel would >>> be most appropriate for such things. >>> >>> Anyone work with an agency, or did people approach you? >>> >>> What kind of recording quality is expected? Do you have to work to >>> particular standards for audio/video collaboration? >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mark Francombe >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 28 18:11:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADDD618345C; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:11:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3608 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:11:28 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-06-28_04:2012-06-28,2012-06-28,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1206280160 Subject: Re: Anyone license their music? From: Daniel Thomas In-reply-to: Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:11:13 -0700 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:11:28 +0000 (UTC) Knowing the music supervisor at a production company is essential to = getting regular calls. The Aussie firm, Beyond Productions (behind many = discovery channel, and history channel shows) has been a good for me. I got my first TV placement by way of Taxi membership. Taxi.com. = The track got picked up for a KIA add. Its important to mention, I = had produced the track for a notable artist and his name brought the = attention to the taxi posting. That's how I got going with TV work. At = the time, I thought I had found my new lively-hood. Alas-- I had = definitely NOT! This work is piece meal and there is always someone = willing to do it for 50 bucks. Also, the days of publishing royalties = in TV are nearly gone (Unless you are humongous audience drawing name). = For instance, I did Mythbusters for a time. It was lucrative but- I had = to grant all publishing control to the production company in order to = get the work. No residual income. That really smarts when a show = becomes a big hit as Mythbusters did. And check it out-- Once the show = had established its sound and audience, the production company sent the = music production work to an intern. The music is now all canned licks = that are in keeping with the original sounds we created for the show. = But no original compositions any more. See--there is always someone = willing to do it for 50 bucks. :) In film, i reached out to local film makers in the bay area. I did = freebie work for underfunded films. Then, one of those underfunded = directors with whom I had a relationship landed a bigger fish and hired = me as composer and music supervisor for a film that we edited out of = Zoetrope studios. The 14 days and nights spent at Zoetrope hooked me in = with other music supervisors and film makers. Still.. no mega = retirement package but-- I have made some good art from time to time and = managed to eat while doing it. =20 There is another market you did not mention and thats the songwriter = market. Selling songs to publishing companies who then present them to = artists for recording. This can be very very lucrative if you land a = big hit. And once you have a hit, the phone won't stop ringing-- or so = I am told. =20 The trick is to get a door to open somewhere. Learn your local seen and = be willing to put the work out there like bate on a hook. Be that guy = willing to do it for $50 bucks. =20 good luck and don't quit your day job! I certainly haven't. Daniel=20 =20 On Jun 28, 2012, at 8:34 AM, mc kr wrote: > I was interesting in finding out how I could license my music for use > in commercials/movies. I do ambient/textural stuff that I feel would > be most appropriate for such things. >=20 > Anyone work with an agency, or did people approach you? >=20 > What kind of recording quality is expected? Do you have to work to > particular standards for audio/video collaboration? >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 28 18:41:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A4FD183466; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:41:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Sb822sHvI9XYwOpYwNSshk1pIgYOKtAL/pCHWHb5Sps=; b=yVi7p+kApt+/G1Yc8Mf69PBWbBgntHORrjnCcYgCaX8WLVk3g5jg2I7sRYSoAh0tD7 VU4h2LHW58/tuaT+CCRYBs3h4jYDfH0r4grKt1cTvqXncmEYnuZ8ulioAFw4CitLJS+Y 8d466NbWdir3B6zMhoEWMEPHpWYbpWb9aP8eYKhG8KXZUB6IqASRlTe6QarutXOxzxfM 9lYZUZn8dng1hDQlXsvOO5kMM9fZUAnetz5/mWqGyDBX3UU5Q0meUMrXvSKawvf+cfVp JKlZebO7ejE+tz0dFdCRZ/lXWlh3juTlCT5cBCA/iEn846O/yzJ6kp5DhSdhwKqlTdPh R2QA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:41:23 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Anyone license their music? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:41:24 +0000 (UTC) Oops, in my post I forgot to deal with your mentioning of the Creative Commons licensing. There are some agencies working with this legal format, like for example Magntunes.com. One issue is that if your music is broadcasted by public service radio, and you live in a territory where that is compensated, a CC license will block your performance compensation income. For me living in Sweden this is a real issue. But on the other hand, a CC based agency, or a production music deal, may sell your music better and generate more dough by the 50/50 split. It all depends. My deal for providing production music is the usual 66 percent, if used here in Sweden, and the usual 50 percent if used abroad (the biggest market). That cut is of the price set by the agency for the client's license to use the music, not to be confused with legally stated performance compensation since both CC and prod music contracts write that off completely. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > I recently started licensing music for media, so called "production > music", formerly known as "library music" since it was distributed on > thematic CD libraries. Today there are online forums run by > specialized publishers that order music from composers and producers > to offer media workers as a fast and convenient music solution. I > researched the marked and found that the publisher best suited for me > to work with actually was based in the city where I live, so I called > them up and popped over for a meeting. I was amazed with the exactness > in the business; there are specific templates for how you compose and > mix recorded music to be suitable for commercial placement (dealing > with length, cues and giving the end user good options to cut in your > master and use parts of it to fit in with whatever media work they are > finalizing). The requested format is the same as traditionally in film > music; master files at 48 kHz and 24 bits. Deals may vary, but the > contract I have with my publisher allows me to use one theme out of a > delivered piece in some other work. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 5:45 PM, mc kr wrote: >> Damn, sorry to hear that. >> >> My next question was going to be about working with creative >> commons-type organizations for protection. >> >> I know there's a demand for music, as a few of my friends have >> received a couple of thousand U.S. dollars to license their stuff to >> various commercials/television shows. It's by no means a living >> salary, but it helps. >> >> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:42 AM, mark francombe wrote: >>> Actually Im struggling a bit with the legality of this, I am a member of >>> Tono the Norwegian Perfoming Rights company, and yet I have been licensing >>> my stuff in corporate films through my contracts with my film clients.. >>> apparently I HAVE to register my works with Tono, and then THEY will charge >>> my clients... If this is the case, my clients will simple tell me NOT to use >>> my own music (as they dont want to pay any additional fees in a project) and >>> tell me to use freebie library music instead... There is SHITLOADS of VERY >>> hight quality free music out there now, that all my colleagues use, >>> everything from Ambient, to Dubstep to Classical... too much infact. Tono, >>> which is supposed to look out for my rights as a recording musician has >>> effectively removed my only chance to write music in my work... >>> >>> Bummer... >>> >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 5:34 PM, mc kr wrote: >>>> >>>> I was interesting in finding out how I could license my music for use >>>> in commercials/movies. I do ambient/textural stuff that I feel would >>>> be most appropriate for such things. >>>> >>>> Anyone work with an agency, or did people approach you? >>>> >>>> What kind of recording quality is expected? Do you have to work to >>>> particular standards for audio/video collaboration? >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mark Francombe >>> www.markfrancombe.com >>> www.ordoabkhao.com >>> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >>> http://www.looop.no >>> twitter @markfrancombe >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >>> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 29 16:23:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCAB418345C; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 16:23:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=IofsElBXUGuiXYhbr5XPz+6Qxctj9Dix1YKnDCaKH3M=; b=Rkru+u8zWSb3RULdRa3DL3tEQP5C7rShRkYYNjz6gCD4BsqcPmYD5+DbT0Ujp7Ztlm WMCVHA883P4ilU0y5FYZI622UWwKtvKFxLXuRUzLZPgbPLJYmcBkXicppQwXPNHhLo/D R1/ZSO7bu7zrIsss4G+OGhNXF1WxjHyYyz5QayInK4lO2iH96fM6c+s/MAT6bVb0cq8o 56lr+lA91spFH8yYVkG7HidmnRoOA32b+Mft2Awr+s5Kuh8Wlu065/jzdqL0cSwLc9aO 8juSa0WwKsGDIoJ65XAslSavKqDhsHRfILjpno5G7VvEbCKYw3BdnebhsxMSYboBFJu5 nnQg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 09:23:08 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: New looping video up. From: "kay'lon rushing" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044481d71f60ed04c39edda1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 16:23:10 +0000 (UTC) --f46d044481d71f60ed04c39edda1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Give me your thoughts on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2QjVaEP2vM&feature=youtube_gdata_player --f46d044481d71f60ed04c39edda1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

Give me your thoughts on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2QjVaEP2vM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

--f46d044481d71f60ed04c39edda1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 29 17:46:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B318183461; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:46:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 491 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:46:22 UTC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Subject: fs: repeater with noise mod and power supply mod from condor From: Ancient Eyeball Recipe In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 10:38:09 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <43477D95-3AD6-40EF-ABB1-F2ED455C9D38@comcast.net> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:46:22 +0000 (UTC) Excellent condition repeater. I just got the noise mod and the power = supply mod from condor a few weeks ago. I will also include 4 pretec = 512mb cards. The latest OS is installed, and I can also include on a card. I'd like $850 shipped to continental US.= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 29 19:18:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C3DC183475; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 19:18:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20120629120733.odv9phtyucskgosk@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 12:07:33 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New looping video up. References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) Resent-Message-ID: <36bm6C.A.2VE.49f7PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 19:18:16 +0000 (UTC) kay'lon, I really enjoyed that! The beat from Arix was a much more solid framework for you to work over.. It had a fluid start, and meandered in a nice and dreamy way.. thanks for sharing.. :) -cpr Quoting kay'lon rushing : > Give me your thoughts on it. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2QjVaEP2vM&feature=youtube_gdata_player > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 30 02:09:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09EC0183478; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 02:09:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=hFfGQZ5MK7a8wCkPktwNNckfHTNUMVXi+yI+ulRVH5M=; b=aLGcz4OTJX7aoYg6l0RdIOGyytifXxc46e4951ER44nuKCB4vanb/m9v5aymzWo8HN 67gY73+q1cuXeM5eGUVQeaFcokQM3e93WvAX3og9D3oEVgwYsA249KqYRjX/ahAZbkrd lshMdACdD+D0I/9rClXDGU59+cYPL5Pf7Y7ML2Nqeszg8q9GtS7E0IM6oFYF7O08SssA AuChSBsHXWH0gcsARh+fkfJ/ZpV7uPEjN9LcQ/RN8JKjXQlVy4bHXjtNjNOCwYkjzXQS Gw1BbCPipTqYt4GaBoWOdn5sYRE7xtTWRRwlb9qgm9Rmu8VB6TZEV/EUK0WtSBQqhubQ xXAg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120629120733.odv9phtyucskgosk@webmail.musetrap.com> References: <20120629120733.odv9phtyucskgosk@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 19:09:02 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New looping video up. From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043893716b92b304c3a70c1b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 02:09:03 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043893716b92b304c3a70c1b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks :] I personally dont really like my playing 2:47 it sounds really out of context. On Jun 29, 2012 12:18 PM, wrote: > kay'lon, > > I really enjoyed that! The beat from Arix was a much more solid framework > for you to work over.. It had a fluid start, and meandered in a nice and > dreamy way.. thanks for sharing.. :) > > -cpr > > Quoting kay'lon rushing : > > Give me your thoughts on it. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=h2QjVaEP2vM&feature=youtube_** >> gdata_player >> >> > > --f46d043893716b92b304c3a70c1b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks :] I personally dont really like my playing 2:47 it sounds really= out of context.

On Jun 29, 2012 12:18 PM, <cpr@musetrap.com> wrote:
=
kay'lon,

=A0I really enjoyed that! The beat from Arix was a much more solid framewor= k for you to work over.. It had a fluid start, and meandered in a nice and = dreamy way.. thanks for sharing.. :)

-cpr

Quoting kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com>:

Give me your thoughts on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v= =3Dh2QjVaEP2vM&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_player



--f46d043893716b92b304c3a70c1b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 30 21:23:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF48A183474; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 21:23:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 21:23:34 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:09:12 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Doctor T, Dave Bryant, Neil Leonard, John Voigt, Jeremy Van Buskirk Outpost 186 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 21:23:35 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, Visual Music LIVE continues at Outpost 186 on Saturday July 7 at 8 PM. -- I'll be doing video improvisations with four terrific musicians. Dave Bryant -- Keyboard(s) Neil Leonard -- reeds John Voigt -- bass Jeremy Van Buskirk -- Electronics The musicians will play six duets and a quartet, accompanied by my video improvisations. I'm looking forward to playing with John again, I did my first live visual improvs in events led by him in (gulp) 1973. I've performed frequently with Dave and Neil -- this willl be my first time playing with Jeremy. My projections are produced by mixing multiple DVD sources with a video mixer and effects processor. The sources consist of computer-manipulated original material derived from my still photography and videography. The original subject matter is usually recognizable, but sometimes processed to complete abstraction. Sometimes the projections and music respond directly to each other -- sometimes they simply co-exist. Outpost 186, 186 Hampshire St (in the back), near Inman Square, Cambridge MA Suggested donation, $10 617.876.0860 ~ all ages ~ http://www.zeitgeist-outpost.org Many of my finished video pieces (both studio and live) can be seen at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld. with a piece from the Spring Series at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxBtaJajCkU Those of you who attend or perform at events at Outpost 186 may find my photo essay "Improvisations from an Outpost" http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/sets/72157624670849749/ to be of interest, -- "I rang a silent bell ..." -- Robert Hunter "... cast your dancing spell my way, I promise to go under it" -- Bob Dylan My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 30 23:17:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B229D183477; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 23:17:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=FjJEfKeF3Q9zx1F5cSYk2c7echBioeadinemRLZjVR8=; b=dDwAY59w9TgNARxVhyvywa67npEsddCG2REoSPuloLydVZphFdLSE6LXL07dTNrZh6 dzm1RCcUZIl7lbcqYr9i4OKwFM5r4KOwBGUH7jHjb2EIi93bMhg9K1IJgYhpKAtN+gUp TQ0Gk2P86nwdO5+mF+YMkvgccPEa9q4p0OLwaIwONKtlw6Qf7HBUybk4iY81irt1SHfM ATjWnWonWxZxZN7jIDLF+4eOVmKfP/DJklDVystOoftkFGSvZ2h+68UJUXEvLeEDwAXu EfBcfv9NZUDmrN3Ghg1uykGFJZpp42vfH/XpQ8v63p30ZAfED73xn6ngluCj4Q2j7HRy D6Ig== From: Philip Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_93B4833A-B48E-4632-8E8C-75FA2E58BAB2" Subject: Re: New looping video up. Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 08:17:11 +0900 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: <85D1AA4F-837C-4C82-9770-91F7653131AD@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 23:17:19 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_93B4833A-B48E-4632-8E8C-75FA2E58BAB2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 That was really nice! On Jun 30, 2012, at 1:23 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > Give me your thoughts on it. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2QjVaEP2vM&feature=youtube_gdata_player > --Apple-Mail=_93B4833A-B48E-4632-8E8C-75FA2E58BAB2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 That was really nice!


On Jun 30, 2012, at 1:23 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote:

Give me your thoughts on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2QjVaEP2vM&feature=youtube_gdata_player


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