From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 1 15:16:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50844183461; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 15:16:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F787166.7040104@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 11:16:54 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Thought Radio Playlist for March 31, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 15:16:58 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio/playlists/2012/120331.html The Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show has alternating hosts. When I am at the helm, the show is called Thought Radio and you can expect to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am EDT/GMT-4 on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. http://soundscapes.us/afterglow/index.html Show #221 March 31, 2012. On this program, I played the music of Wave World, and Broekhuis, Keller & Schonwalder. Both acts will be coming to play in the Lehigh Valley at the Soundscapes Concert Series. http://soundscapes.us Phase 0/An Early start at 5:30 am: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Broekhuis, Keller Return to the Live @ Dorfkirche Repelen 2 and Schonwalder Beginning (Manikin) Broekhuis, Keller Orange & Blue Orange (Manikin) and Schonwalder Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Rob Preston] Image Transfusion Sequences No. 18 VA [Saul Stokes] The Tunnel Twins Sequences No. 18 VA [CHAOS] Mind Cavern Sequences No. 18 Wave World Hieroglyphs I - Hieroglyphs (VFR) Artifacts Steve Roach Cloud Cover Back to Life (Projekt) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Lynn Yew Evers Lyrical Mood Dawn of Peace (none) Carl Weingarten Tango Panomorphia (Multiphase) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Flying Colors Kayla Flying Colors (Mascot) Flying Colors The Storm Flying Colors (Mascot) 3rdegree Free For All Narrow-Caster (none) VA [Ars Ephemera] Decameron 3:7 Decameron Part 1 (Musea) VA [Mogon] Snuff Decameron Part 1 (Musea) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDRs that come with each issue of Sequences electronic music magazine. Bill Fox ======================================================================== Host of Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EDT/GMT-4. Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music. Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Website - http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 1 16:15:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6409C183463; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:15:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7498,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-01_03:2012-03-30,2012-04-01,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1204010170 Subject: loops with a drummer? From: Teddy Kumpel In-reply-to: Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 12:15:34 -0400 Message-id: <72229E94-2DE8-4AFA-A913-968073D8F832@mac.com> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:15:38 +0000 (UTC) As I read all the posts on this list I'm starting to wonder.... Is everyone here a solo artist? Does anyone use loops in a band context? If so, how? What are using? Do you only make ambient loops in the band, or do you play rhythms? If you play rhythms and there's a drummer how do you get locked up with the drummer. I have my own solution, I've been doing it for 4 years now and I'm happy with the results... I'm just wondering what other people do. thanks for chiming in Teddy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 1 16:23:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 708FD183460; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:23:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=vJFnsOZkuFRJqhJPx6zOVb9JhrUT6LFI9lkkNEttB9Q=; b=oamdPPKXMoCZ0NNZiU5yXPfGflWEXYlrUV1wj7+yiLKJ0XVWMcT3LXdrtdN22/AkuT a38D0UbZfXHeCQTFVb804e3LXkkX5GHEghLnweHi75ojFILn0WHdVOk3lddYJCo7hgLY fI7XMRSukxczCkU4azjXhKy0u7otX0EhoOTMYLvZ9CGwjVO6XrBwOt0qLUNq2YLBQvEZ IMT3LifS4N2VNngKptSjBOM5NJVtN6PIAyGvmpnbgBUqKaTKbGVu+kr8VR+/C7T5UkUE ICio+ycKNRx2/RDci7ukp39lk/CdXGViKQI3SO8Em3DVMnYMArO748ghSTFbIUe5MvK8 pLtQ== References: <72229E94-2DE8-4AFA-A913-968073D8F832@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <72229E94-2DE8-4AFA-A913-968073D8F832@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <188B17AF-36AA-4F92-90B2-13B42C5BC4AF@gmail.com> Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) From: Todd Reynolds Subject: Re: loops with a drummer? Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 12:23:06 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:23:10 +0000 (UTC) Do share your solution! I try on occasion, but mostly do solo.=20 Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > As I read all the posts on this list I'm starting to wonder.... Is everyon= e here a solo artist? >=20 > Does anyone use loops in a band context? >=20 > If so, how? What are using? Do you only make ambient loops in the band, or= do you play rhythms? > If you play rhythms and there's a drummer how do you get locked up with th= e drummer. >=20 > I have my own solution, I've been doing it for 4 years now and I'm happy w= ith the results... I'm just wondering what other people do. >=20 > thanks for chiming in > Teddy >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 1 16:28:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC466183460; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:28:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=lLJdFdroyQW7QU5tGi/UkktC6FlBQxRwQ9rv6mvdInw=; b=DHEH4xKLF5yltWQ0Za71v9kyZhzhSSbqwWZiA9ekflAUX3t7ZKDsTmAqnFon675N4u 6W+V9N9iXRjzHHv4hgpmicEnuI34P3YbGy4enMqDNiIVOIj8ukbJDmqpORuxNEQ5I7mT LTDvpgBeY4u9EoI1XODHHO0TX+XSKrnFcXqN1gR3tRIptJM2nN0OTpMk8P/bICIaZ2aO /p3ObF7EDfv6YhwzTXTU36ThfQdn7lONE13GE4cHpDBrh9lqpVCuPtdIZqDQ4kuETzXR ehFLtCKzloO83osYmdjnI3cQtNjv01CtAFZ0k1C7sD8evm2b25bFF6B43DtNGX/mj5JA 8xJg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <72229E94-2DE8-4AFA-A913-968073D8F832@mac.com> References: <72229E94-2DE8-4AFA-A913-968073D8F832@mac.com> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 12:28:56 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: loops with a drummer? From: Bennett Williams To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae934106bfe140d04bca091aa Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:28:57 +0000 (UTC) --14dae934106bfe140d04bca091aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ted: Actually, I don't do any looping with the drums. What I do with looping is saxophone, theremin, and an analog noise machine. Very experimental & avant-garde stuff. When I play drums for people it is just for regular gigs. I did play with a guy who used a Boomerang, but it never worked. The sequencing & timing on a looper has to be exactly right in order to sync up with it, and 99% of the time, the initial loop set by whomever is doing the looping, is too short or too long, and impossible to keep time with. It is only with a sequencer that has the loop quantized to a precise time & groove that I can make it work with drums. anyway... check out my soundcloud page: www.soundcloud.com/bennettwilliams Yours, -Bennett On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > As I read all the posts on this list I'm starting to wonder.... Is > everyone here a solo artist? > > Does anyone use loops in a band context? > > If so, how? What are using? Do you only make ambient loops in the band, or > do you play rhythms? > If you play rhythms and there's a drummer how do you get locked up with > the drummer. > > I have my own solution, I've been doing it for 4 years now and I'm happy > with the results... I'm just wondering what other people do. > > thanks for chiming in > Teddy > > -- Bennett Williams http://www.bennettwilliams.net --14dae934106bfe140d04bca091aa Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ted:

Actually, I don't do any looping with the drums. What I do = with looping is saxophone, theremin, and an analog noise machine. Very expe= rimental & avant-garde stuff. When I play drums for people it is just f= or regular gigs. I did play with a guy who used a Boomerang, but it never w= orked. The sequencing & timing on a looper has to be exactly right in o= rder to sync up with it, and 99% of the time, the initial loop set by whome= ver is doing the looping, is too short or too long, and impossible to keep = time with. It is only with a sequencer that has the loop quantized to a pre= cise time & groove that I can make it work with drums.

anyway... check out my soundcloud page: www.soundcloud.com/bennettwilliams


Yo= urs,
-Bennett


On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 = at 12:15 PM, Teddy Kumpel <teddykumpel@mac.com> wrote:
As I read all the posts on this list I'm= starting to wonder.... Is everyone here a solo artist?

Does anyone use loops in a band context?

If so, how? What are using? Do you only make ambient loops in the band, or = do you play rhythms?
If you play rhythms and there's a drummer how do you get locked up with= the drummer.

I have my own solution, I've been doing it for 4 years now and I'm = happy with the results... I'm just wondering what other people do.

thanks for chiming in
Teddy




--
Bennett W= illiams
http://www.bennettwil= liams.net
--14dae934106bfe140d04bca091aa-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 1 16:35:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF2FA183460; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:35:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ZAHAljgmNBhRijg8nUpvOZ4KX9E/tvoWeClDuI0Gg4E=; b=ZQIVR0qKZLEO9aEwNRZ0XIWjhXx2zv8jvhbzUqw1MMfC6wQAWyhis4m7Mc5tI5skKV 6dx0M9DxzfI4QAvhdCqjkwju7DF9tgObckSMFvStxE6MU+7omSPbeP4xnSm3H7IC23HE 4cX/h16J6C2BytojdzltJb+MamhaS7bGzV2KibpTALISsHWms80jT/louB7uW1EL+nSa s/AHIyKMBq5lrXS1XfO6ndm58owvsNvxyyrPQ8VDBa/rBdaOoV6FNWKPDJYfbGo1zJc/ uytj1qPhh4h2epRyyDeqvCOq2ZdBnUBPzRFd4fveOGxsraSG1+tvrl4dZoBJpHOHJemO 7vug== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <72229E94-2DE8-4AFA-A913-968073D8F832@mac.com> References: <72229E94-2DE8-4AFA-A913-968073D8F832@mac.com> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 18:35:43 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: loops with a drummer? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:35:43 +0000 (UTC) Hi Teddy, I frequently play with live looping in a band situation and use two main approaches: 1) LOOPER AS TEMPO MASTER - NO SYNC Even though my looper allows several parallel loops of different length I do not sync it to anything. Nor do I send a click to the drummer. What I do is to make sure I always have immediate acces to a foot switch that instantly retriggers all loops from the top. I do run effects that tempo sync to the looper and use the good old EDP action to set a new tempo when needed: delete everything and start a new loop at the new tempo. This approach is good for free playing where you need to be as adaptable as possible. If the drummer doesn't follow your loop you can just make your loop follow the drummer etc. This approach is great fun for stream-of-consciousness gigs. 2) LOOPER AS TEMPO SLAVE - SYNC Myslef, my loopers/effects and everyone else in the band play at a pre defined tempo. Some parts may be pre recorded to run as backing tracks or to be triggered in sync by any of the players. This works well for me when doing surround sound concerts. Tempos of songs will be running even if you don't play. If needing to get the tempo to start with you can either look at a visual cue, make some noise into a tempo synced delay effect or simply just step on Record and make a non-rhythmic one bar loop (add some SUS Substitute points if needing a finer resolution "click"). Example: http://youtu.be/GawvbfwHgRE I've used these two approaches all the way back since the old EDP/Repeater Rack days until today's all-in-the-box laptop rig gigs. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > As I read all the posts on this list I'm starting to wonder.... Is everyone here a solo artist? > > Does anyone use loops in a band context? > > If so, how? What are using? Do you only make ambient loops in the band, or do you play rhythms? > If you play rhythms and there's a drummer how do you get locked up with the drummer. > > I have my own solution, I've been doing it for 4 years now and I'm happy with the results... I'm just wondering what other people do. > > thanks for chiming in > Teddy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 1 16:36:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA901183462; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:36:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7498,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-01_03:2012-03-30,2012-04-01,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1204010177 Subject: Re: loops with a drummer? From: Teddy Kumpel In-reply-to: <188B17AF-36AA-4F92-90B2-13B42C5BC4AF@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 12:36:42 -0400 Message-id: <290968FB-9460-4867-A813-6BABF28E9C9F@mac.com> References: <72229E94-2DE8-4AFA-A913-968073D8F832@mac.com> <188B17AF-36AA-4F92-90B2-13B42C5BC4AF@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:36:52 +0000 (UTC) Hi Todd !!!!.... you should come sit in on my gig some time.... I love violin. Both Christian Howes and Jason Crosby have sat in and had fun. I use an RC50 and me and the drummer both listen to the guide track while playing. That's the only way I've found that doesn't force my gtr to be the time keeper. To me it sounds a lot better when my gtr is not the time keeper. That way I can play more greasy, behind the beat, and the drummer knows where I'm feeling it cause he can hear the click. This way it keeps the forward motion going. I do this weekly with all NYC's best drummers... Teddy teddyjam.com On Apr 1, 2012, at 12:23 PM, Todd Reynolds wrote: > Do share your solution! I try on occasion, but mostly do solo. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 1, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > >> As I read all the posts on this list I'm starting to wonder.... Is everyone here a solo artist? >> >> Does anyone use loops in a band context? >> >> If so, how? What are using? Do you only make ambient loops in the band, or do you play rhythms? >> If you play rhythms and there's a drummer how do you get locked up with the drummer. >> >> I have my own solution, I've been doing it for 4 years now and I'm happy with the results... I'm just wondering what other people do. >> >> thanks for chiming in >> Teddy >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 1 16:39:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE30718345D; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:39:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ftfCYJR7Z9odnHV2fI/Brcu74h5QMd6SV5fVNM0RazU=; b=Elj8IvUKYHpKhVmbK1NgqmLWE2FdN4EbveHwuxZ3H7rd2UAAhTeIeDlGF3TuEPlX3+ OK/wOv9UE3QhECwxIzjS+OlA7MbEGFsCwSYYlDS3+YLC12KRSNUCLfaOviYGd+lTM9Uz pGZFWPnOVuKAWdiAE3otz+CuvRLTcMqb2+iJuF64dCA7DKggekjJe3wzwlSxFeGcZ+CQ 13cLJZmzDftjrheHDQEC1+79wFAZLbfiOKfu8afl2g7lnJCMo+h2pvSDc2o/7sYd3z1A soak7X3zFkLIYsDTzVPISMb9uKBaxUSHbbC8eXlY6qCIjn5CaMuuFIyTiLNO5ng6dpWG +FVg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <72229E94-2DE8-4AFA-A913-968073D8F832@mac.com> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 12:39:28 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: loops with a drummer? From: Bennett Williams To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae934106b9c100204bca0b75b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:39:28 +0000 (UTC) --14dae934106b9c100204bca0b75b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am new here to Looper's Delight. I don't know how this site works. Is there a message forum? Is there a place where I can make my looper profile? -b On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi Teddy, > > I frequently play with live looping in a band situation and use two > main approaches: > > 1) LOOPER AS TEMPO MASTER - NO SYNC > Even though my looper allows several parallel loops of different > length I do not sync it to anything. Nor do I send a click to the > drummer. What I do is to make sure I always have immediate acces to a > foot switch that instantly retriggers all loops from the top. I do run > effects that tempo sync to the looper and use the good old EDP action > to set a new tempo when needed: delete everything and start a new loop > at the new tempo. This approach is good for free playing where you > need to be as adaptable as possible. If the drummer doesn't follow > your loop you can just make your loop follow the drummer etc. This > approach is great fun for stream-of-consciousness gigs. > > 2) LOOPER AS TEMPO SLAVE - SYNC > Myslef, my loopers/effects and everyone else in the band play at a pre > defined tempo. Some parts may be pre recorded to run as backing tracks > or to be triggered in sync by any of the players. This works well for > me when doing surround sound concerts. Tempos of songs will be running > even if you don't play. If needing to get the tempo to start with you > can either look at a visual cue, make some noise into a tempo synced > delay effect or simply just step on Record and make a non-rhythmic one > bar loop (add some SUS Substitute points if needing a finer resolution > "click"). Example: http://youtu.be/GawvbfwHgRE > > I've used these two approaches all the way back since the old > EDP/Repeater Rack days until today's all-in-the-box laptop rig gigs. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > > As I read all the posts on this list I'm starting to wonder.... Is > everyone here a solo artist? > > > > Does anyone use loops in a band context? > > > > If so, how? What are using? Do you only make ambient loops in the band, > or do you play rhythms? > > If you play rhythms and there's a drummer how do you get locked up with > the drummer. > > > > I have my own solution, I've been doing it for 4 years now and I'm happy > with the results... I'm just wondering what other people do. > > > > thanks for chiming in > > Teddy > > > > -- Bennett Williams http://www.bennettwilliams.net --14dae934106b9c100204bca0b75b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am new here to Looper's Delight. I don't know how this site works= . Is there a message forum? Is there a place where I can make my looper pro= file?

-b

On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 1= 2:35 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Teddy,

I frequently play with live looping in a band situation and use two
main approaches:

1) LOOPER AS TEMPO MASTER - NO SYNC
Even though my looper allows several parallel loops of different
length I do not sync it to anything. Nor do I send a click to the
drummer. What I do is to make sure I always have immediate acces to a
foot switch that instantly retriggers all loops from the top. I do run
effects that tempo sync to the looper and use the good old EDP action
to set a new tempo when needed: delete everything and start a new loop
at the new tempo. This approach is good for free playing where you
need to be as adaptable as possible. If the drummer doesn't follow
your loop you can just make your loop follow the drummer etc. This
approach is great fun for stream-of-consciousness gigs.

2) LOOPER AS TEMPO SLAVE - SYNC
Myslef, my loopers/effects and everyone else in the band play at a pre
defined tempo. Some parts may be pre recorded to run as backing tracks
or to be triggered in sync by any of the players. This works well for
me when doing surround sound concerts. Tempos of songs will be running
even if you don't play. If needing to get the tempo to start with you can either look at a visual cue, make some noise into a tempo synced
delay effect or simply just step on Record and make a non-rhythmic one
bar loop (add some SUS Substitute points if needing a finer resolution
"click"). Example: http://youtu.be/GawvbfwHgRE

I've used these two approaches all the way back since the old
EDP/Repeater Rack days until today's all-in-the-box laptop rig gigs.
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen



On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Teddy Kumpel <teddykumpel@mac.com> wrote:
> As I read all the posts on this list I'm starting to wonder.... Is= everyone here a solo artist?
>
> Does anyone use loops in a band context?
>
> If so, how? What are using? Do you only make ambient loops in the band= , or do you play rhythms?
> If you play rhythms and there's a drummer how do you get locked up= with the drummer.
>
> I have my own solution, I've been doing it for 4 years now and I&#= 39;m happy with the results... I'm just wondering what other people do.=
>
> thanks for chiming in
> Teddy
>




--
Bennett Wil= liams
http://www.bennettwilli= ams.net
--14dae934106b9c100204bca0b75b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 1 16:40:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C8A1183460; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:40:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=5/7GFD4AZeGf3PFgkJ1PQEI/tNy18Al5EbuEhwu91ok=; b=dJBJxrTkWxeY8evKKfprM3/TbrEnlxrxGBfAxURs4Sl5QBfihH3w6YQ3ryWmMUgJgU XfJhhnvcttXruGSLO5UB9j8ga7sH7VHpmGJAHx6CGCw8LlB9bU+Ck/auljsSfmhNhkkY KDGoSOMPbKdW+PSMn63VxRnz5mko8DHkgBUKdNtxi64go7s2ENKqC+sOKFED5ltDzqhu pf0+M+HiEdbdNnod0eqnjjyl1T34qsCR/cGZtde761jBDMZ/fBdLG0u0UrvcbAGGzij9 6WGTazF4K9SvLfOP/sA726yfyFbor+JHPi0okfxm6aohQYHX+u53cpULLUWSLoycz6d/ jghA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <290968FB-9460-4867-A813-6BABF28E9C9F@mac.com> References: <72229E94-2DE8-4AFA-A913-968073D8F832@mac.com> <188B17AF-36AA-4F92-90B2-13B42C5BC4AF@gmail.com> <290968FB-9460-4867-A813-6BABF28E9C9F@mac.com> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 12:40:32 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: loops with a drummer? From: Bennett Williams To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9341281729cca04bca0bbb8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:40:32 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9341281729cca04bca0bbb8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If there is a master click that the loop can sync to, no problem. On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > Hi Todd !!!!.... you should come sit in on my gig some time.... I love > violin. Both Christian Howes and Jason Crosby have sat in and had fun. > > I use an RC50 and me and the drummer both listen to the guide track while > playing. > > That's the only way I've found that doesn't force my gtr to be the time > keeper. To me it sounds a lot better when my gtr is not the time keeper. > That way I can play more greasy, behind the beat, and the drummer knows > where I'm feeling it cause he can hear the click. This way it keeps the > forward motion going. > > I do this weekly with all NYC's best drummers... > > Teddy > teddyjam.com > > On Apr 1, 2012, at 12:23 PM, Todd Reynolds wrote: > > > Do share your solution! I try on occasion, but mostly do solo. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Apr 1, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > > > >> As I read all the posts on this list I'm starting to wonder.... Is > everyone here a solo artist? > >> > >> Does anyone use loops in a band context? > >> > >> If so, how? What are using? Do you only make ambient loops in the band, > or do you play rhythms? > >> If you play rhythms and there's a drummer how do you get locked up with > the drummer. > >> > >> I have my own solution, I've been doing it for 4 years now and I'm > happy with the results... I'm just wondering what other people do. > >> > >> thanks for chiming in > >> Teddy > >> > > > > -- Bennett Williams http://www.bennettwilliams.net --14dae9341281729cca04bca0bbb8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If there is a master click that the loop can sync to, no problem.

<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Teddy Kumpel <teddykumpel@mac.c= om> wrote:
Hi Todd !!!!.... you should come sit in on m= y gig some time.... I love violin. Both Christian Howes and Jason Crosby ha= ve sat in and had fun.

I use an RC50 and me and the drummer both listen to the guide track while p= laying.

That's the only way I've found that doesn't force my gtr to be = the time keeper. To me it sounds a lot better when my gtr is not the time k= eeper. That way I can play more greasy, behind the beat, and the drummer kn= ows where I'm feeling it cause he can hear the click. This way it keeps= the forward motion going.

I do this weekly with all NYC's best drummers...

Teddy
teddyjam.com

On Apr 1, 2012, at 12:23 PM, Todd Reynolds wrote:

> Do share your solution! =A0I try on occasion, but mostly do solo.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 1, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Teddy Kumpel <teddykumpel@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> As I read all the posts on this list I'm starting to wonder...= . Is everyone here a solo artist?
>>
>> Does anyone use loops in a band context?
>>
>> If so, how? What are using? Do you only make ambient loops in the = band, or do you play rhythms?
>> If you play rhythms and there's a drummer how do you get locke= d up with the drummer.
>>
>> I have my own solution, I've been doing it for 4 years now and= I'm happy with the results... I'm just wondering what other people= do.
>>
>> thanks for chiming in
>> Teddy
>>
>




--
Bennett Wil= liams
http://www.bennettwilli= ams.net
--14dae9341281729cca04bca0bbb8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 1 16:46:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF129183461; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:46:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7498,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-01_03:2012-03-30,2012-04-01,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1204010181 Subject: Re: loops with a drummer? From: Teddy Kumpel In-reply-to: Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 12:46:53 -0400 Message-id: References: <72229E94-2DE8-4AFA-A913-968073D8F832@mac.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:46:55 +0000 (UTC) thanks Per, hmmmm, I wonder what that first one sounds like. I've tried that but it always seemed like a lot of button pushing while playing with questionable groove results. Do you have any examples of that approach? Any groove/funk/soul music people out there who wanna chime in? I'm not really interested in how the ambient/surround sound people do it. Teddy On Apr 1, 2012, at 12:35 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi Teddy, > > I frequently play with live looping in a band situation and use two > main approaches: > > 1) LOOPER AS TEMPO MASTER - NO SYNC > Even though my looper allows several parallel loops of different > length I do not sync it to anything. Nor do I send a click to the > drummer. What I do is to make sure I always have immediate acces to a > foot switch that instantly retriggers all loops from the top. I do run > effects that tempo sync to the looper and use the good old EDP action > to set a new tempo when needed: delete everything and start a new loop > at the new tempo. This approach is good for free playing where you > need to be as adaptable as possible. If the drummer doesn't follow > your loop you can just make your loop follow the drummer etc. This > approach is great fun for stream-of-consciousness gigs. > > 2) LOOPER AS TEMPO SLAVE - SYNC > Myslef, my loopers/effects and everyone else in the band play at a pre > defined tempo. Some parts may be pre recorded to run as backing tracks > or to be triggered in sync by any of the players. This works well for > me when doing surround sound concerts. Tempos of songs will be running > even if you don't play. If needing to get the tempo to start with you > can either look at a visual cue, make some noise into a tempo synced > delay effect or simply just step on Record and make a non-rhythmic one > bar loop (add some SUS Substitute points if needing a finer resolution > "click"). Example: http://youtu.be/GawvbfwHgRE > > I've used these two approaches all the way back since the old > EDP/Repeater Rack days until today's all-in-the-box laptop rig gigs. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: >> As I read all the posts on this list I'm starting to wonder.... Is everyone here a solo artist? >> >> Does anyone use loops in a band context? >> >> If so, how? What are using? Do you only make ambient loops in the band, or do you play rhythms? >> If you play rhythms and there's a drummer how do you get locked up with the drummer. >> >> I have my own solution, I've been doing it for 4 years now and I'm happy with the results... I'm just wondering what other people do. >> >> thanks for chiming in >> Teddy >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 1 16:52:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF288183479; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:52:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ZU1KI72/B/m5TTxxvBYuwbH65DzhZxGFADZBQve8U7Q=; b=OvXHiVBHCpynykNvPqQWo8j408M2YOjKdJp6XxmYo/jHfSJjnMb+Gh3/gfQJpYBp9V gUXUUlRL8bosarPaQjUVjEcmMq0LuJdJdafILVKBhoO3kY8niI6FtFrZwUn/yjanncAC O89xj+alxC8Gih39wleVGny4A+7utT1n5ecLGYtTORcO/O5D+PCemKh/FzJYTZZrartN +Gre2itHCwxUZRJQ+4//EVK+rXXc8l5ytuP+TOxBZDnALnv0jJXvUZQaaYLvy1tPGzMf M1ph38xoFX7u6sLU/Ier8DxqD55CfC+cbrKJ3+HazAzR9qSjUMiuQX2WAhyUKWqpnUMF lykw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <72229E94-2DE8-4AFA-A913-968073D8F832@mac.com> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 18:52:14 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: loops with a drummer? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:52:14 +0000 (UTC) I see your point, Teddy. For me it works in a noisy impro setting where trashy conflicts is part of the band sound. If playing slick funk guitar I would not say I could use that trick. I'd rather not loop in that style ;-) Per On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > thanks Per, > > hmmmm, I wonder what that first one sounds like. I've tried that but it always seemed like a lot of button pushing while playing with questionable groove results. Do you have any examples of that approach? > > Any groove/funk/soul music people out there who wanna chime in? I'm not really interested in how the ambient/surround sound people do it. > > Teddy > > On Apr 1, 2012, at 12:35 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> Hi Teddy, >> >> I frequently play with live looping in a band situation and use two >> main approaches: >> >> 1) LOOPER AS TEMPO MASTER - NO SYNC >> Even though my looper allows several parallel loops of different >> length I do not sync it to anything. Nor do I send a click to the >> drummer. What I do is to make sure I always have immediate acces to a >> foot switch that instantly retriggers all loops from the top. I do run >> effects that tempo sync to the looper and use the good old EDP action >> to set a new tempo when needed: delete everything and start a new loop >> at the new tempo. This approach is good for free playing where you >> need to be as adaptable as possible. If the drummer doesn't follow >> your loop you can just make your loop follow the drummer etc. This >> approach is great fun for stream-of-consciousness gigs. >> >> 2) LOOPER AS TEMPO SLAVE - SYNC >> Myslef, my loopers/effects and everyone else in the band play at a pre >> defined tempo. Some parts may be pre recorded to run as backing tracks >> or to be triggered in sync by any of the players. This works well for >> me when doing surround sound concerts. Tempos of songs will be running >> even if you don't play. If needing to get the tempo to start with you >> can either look at a visual cue, make some noise into a tempo synced >> delay effect or simply just step on Record and make a non-rhythmic one >> bar loop (add some SUS Substitute points if needing a finer resolution >> "click"). Example: http://youtu.be/GawvbfwHgRE >> >> I've used these two approaches all the way back since the old >> EDP/Repeater Rack days until today's all-in-the-box laptop rig gigs. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: >>> As I read all the posts on this list I'm starting to wonder.... Is everyone here a solo artist? >>> >>> Does anyone use loops in a band context? >>> >>> If so, how? What are using? Do you only make ambient loops in the band, or do you play rhythms? >>> If you play rhythms and there's a drummer how do you get locked up with the drummer. >>> >>> I have my own solution, I've been doing it for 4 years now and I'm happy with the results... I'm just wondering what other people do. >>> >>> thanks for chiming in >>> Teddy >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 1 16:58:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 637C418348F; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:58:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F788925.5000601@virgin.net> Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 17:58:13 +0100 From: Dave Draper Reply-To: dh.draper@virgin.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: loops with a drummer? References: <20120401163653.29DDE183463@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20120401163653.29DDE183463@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 2012.0.1913 [2114/4908] X-Originating-Smarthost03-IP: [82.69.58.35] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:58:13 +0000 (UTC) Ah, interesting topic! I've never met a drummer who's /happy/ to be a slave to a loop! (/They/ set the rhythm, right?) However I've played with a couple who are happy to play /with/ loops. The difference for me, in improvised music, is that neither the drummer nor the loop is the master, rather there may be loops, there may be drum rhythms; sometimes the drummer reacts to a loop & plays what /he(/she)/ hears - it might not be the same rhythm/time signature that the loop was originally played in, but it often adds a kind of rhythmic counterpoint. My next decision is whether to retrigger or change the loop, or more usually, go with the drummer's interpretation. That way we get to different places than either of us would reach individually, or by being in a master/slave relationship. Otherwise it's up to me to 'play' the looper/one-shot sampler to make sense of the drum rhythm. It's a great combination, but there ain't many drummers (or other acoustic players!) that are keen on the combination. It does require an approach to looping that's /not/ based on strict MIDI-or-any-other sync though; you need to be in manual, instant control of your looper, just like you are of your instrument (of which it's part, of course!!) Dave ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4908 - Release Date: 04/01/12 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 1 17:21:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68625183490; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 17:21:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7498,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-01_03:2012-03-30,2012-04-01,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1204010193 Subject: Re: loops with a drummer? From: Teddy Kumpel In-reply-to: Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 13:21:14 -0400 Message-id: <8D575B81-A83F-4F89-85DE-E0203129A57E@mac.com> References: <72229E94-2DE8-4AFA-A913-968073D8F832@mac.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 17:21:17 +0000 (UTC) ya... trashy conflicts are also part of my band's sound, as are many other things... I just don't like having to step on the start button every 8 bars I'm not trying to argue with you about style, I'm just trying to get some alternate ideas on how to loop with a drummer. Thanks for chiming in. On Apr 1, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > I see your point, Teddy. For me it works in a noisy impro setting > where trashy conflicts is part of the band sound. If playing slick > funk guitar I would not say I could use that trick. I'd rather not > loop in that style ;-) > > Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 1 17:22:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EFC5183463; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 17:22:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=F9idEvxV6G48te9iL30i7y7VH6jljvCk0BXyunnTs8U=; b=CNz50qF9k0AnDkcqLs6bLuhU1t6n4n3HKZaxKtY8ME1wqF6r706l4+tCJz5BG+f4v6 eZdBaQcgMVgMndNJF7rbcJDBIMNa4eumSKDdMBmbUj/ib6PgmhHNy2Og1e9+bGugL5UR NVyNl5M7x5CpPwGqXIQd9kJDLAH2HrKELn4AgNkMGgFwyBYKKAhkGSevnAw6qLWxguJ3 uJCamsQdq+SorLiamEHMCS0nPIhTQbKda4ZqWNMJ/wZxl2nbmTaA+8vrOd9KTBXFyk0+ wC3KkNrFk3HiJ5C1t7qW7wcJG91U9aAf87OiRF4S5lSt5JCr9QLoul+OFuRGr4nH436Y tW7g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F788925.5000601@virgin.net> References: <20120401163653.29DDE183463@arsenic.violacea.com> <4F788925.5000601@virgin.net> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 19:22:39 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: loops with a drummer? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 17:22:40 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Dave Draper wrote: > The difference for me, in improvised music, is that neither the drummer nor > the loop is the master, rather there may be loops, there may be drum > rhythms; sometimes the drummer reacts to a loop & plays what /he(/she)/ > hears - it might not be the same rhythm/time signature that the loop was > originally played in, but it often adds a kind of rhythmic counterpoint. My > next decision is whether to retrigger or change the loop, or more usually, > go with the drummer's interpretation. That way we get to different places > than either of us would reach individually, or by being in a master/slave > relationship. That's a great description! I too like this approach. You really get to PLAY the looper. When I do this I restrain from creating several loops on parallel tracks and rather layer parts into the same loop. That way it is just a foot switch kick away to delete it and make a new loop. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 1 17:30:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73548183460; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 17:30:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=J6oRD9Fyg1PSeHEZXsoMYofVYshsqJQEoK86+ojZtTE=; b=ydUGc7zqJLgpfZDugy7QcXSg22nnBqtoYKukGgrmShkhXMjLL/O750Xf3Tsky//iY4 RHvnTtx6vlsD1nZMYVK18/fpFXNX9Z0C2xyk/kyPFGh1mbHh6fLDPS7JlccjZDGivs7C TqvUxZYb0tdb4RpMi2IMrWfjtNtu7gaiVHJnzWbw3CSOwHH4gyjIbToNLhsN5QoBG5po hfDmCf3yxBrpWALJJr35kMqJsBjqx7EyE+3GY9Q+wZknHrDvFY+elqpQPfLtqVyIrrCP PUptil3MT0LgBC3/EPZF4WhgCoWuOBt5ZqbUuGy6mLEaTebeOStm22xxUeyNgMzayY9q ycCg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8D575B81-A83F-4F89-85DE-E0203129A57E@mac.com> References: <72229E94-2DE8-4AFA-A913-968073D8F832@mac.com> <8D575B81-A83F-4F89-85DE-E0203129A57E@mac.com> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 19:30:50 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: loops with a drummer? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <_ope3D.A.AHG.LDJePB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 17:30:51 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > I just don't like having to step on the start button every 8 bars Wow, every 8 bars sounds well over due to me. More often I retrigger the whole shebang even before completing one bar! I mean, if it is not in the same tempo as the band currently is playing it is better the shorter of it you allow on each re-trigger kick. This situation almost always leads me into kick Record twice to snag a new loop to get the timing right. It might not always be fun to put yourself in the role of The Stutter Clown ;-) but I know of no other method to loop rhythmically in a band situation. If leaving out the always working non rhythmic soundscape loop creating, that is. But you CAN actually make a non rhythmic pad sound work rhythmically by playing its Rate/Speed Shift switch. 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From: Teddy Kumpel In-reply-to: <4F788925.5000601@virgin.net> Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 13:50:04 -0400 Message-id: <28B43EA4-F9F7-4615-ADEB-433F6FE0E817@mac.com> References: <20120401163653.29DDE183463@arsenic.violacea.com> <4F788925.5000601@virgin.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 17:50:07 +0000 (UTC) ya, I like that too, very interesting... leaves a lot of possibilities open my music is improvised too, just so we're on the same page a lot of times I will tap in a tempo that is a subdivision of what we had been playing for the previous 5 minutes... like dotted quarter notes.... that always makes for some fun results similar to what you're talking about. All my drummers have been happy to play with the click track. Professionals in NYC do that all the time, so it's old hat for these guys... we do it in synch, but the word strict doesn't enter into it... where do you live? Teddy On Apr 1, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Dave Draper wrote: > Ah, interesting topic! > I've never met a drummer who's /happy/ to be a slave to a loop! (/They/ set the rhythm, right?) > However I've played with a couple who are happy to play /with/ loops. > The difference for me, in improvised music, is that neither the drummer nor the loop is the master, rather there may be loops, there may be drum rhythms; sometimes the drummer reacts to a loop & plays what /he(/she)/ hears - it might not be the same rhythm/time signature that the loop was originally played in, but it often adds a kind of rhythmic counterpoint. My next decision is whether to retrigger or change the loop, or more usually, go with the drummer's interpretation. That way we get to different places than either of us would reach individually, or by being in a master/slave relationship. > Otherwise it's up to me to 'play' the looper/one-shot sampler to make sense of the drum rhythm. > It's a great combination, but there ain't many drummers (or other acoustic players!) that are keen on the combination. > It does require an approach to looping that's /not/ based on strict MIDI-or-any-other sync though; you need to be in manual, instant control of your looper, just like you are of your instrument (of which it's part, of course!!) > Dave > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4908 - Release Date: 04/01/12 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 1 18:07:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DFF018345A; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 18:07:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04447129ba298304bca200ff Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 18:11:30 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04447129ba298304bca200ff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Welcome! http://www.loopers-delight.com/loop.html Jeff On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Bennett Williams < bennettwilliamsdrums@gmail.com> wrote: > I am new here to Looper's Delight. I don't know how this site works. Is > there a message forum? Is there a place where I can make my looper profile? > > -b > > > --f46d04447129ba298304bca200ff Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Welcome!

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On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Bennett Williams <bennettwilli= amsdrums@gmail.com> wrote:
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--f46d04447129ba298304bca200ff-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 1 20:53:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA63D18345D; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 20:53:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=JUCW26vtlEQnTp+3ftS/w3bs7WXk1lieeH8tC2IXBW0=; b=LEpIsDiLSEOMsYJeYe7YMs39en4wHbtoNSqCAYfnRt++JORCnomjwLUSnCe1PVVPLV I+Td3/OdbLwahvgEk2USGaOEI4qQmhp67SKWJsYpnrCdWEZCi/MH3DSJP4Yl+t46Gvqh pYjwFbWOdmO7gk9kdMeUSLpMVhQ7DUucwKiCEkV1qNImVlU6aRo6+YpQofMyhgqZFCb2 l+H+pY8RzywaHIC3z6aOL4hT0mPS6IkYSZE6HtG2Mrefiqq8Yt1so5K25I10YjW2xFXo GsunGdg8nfEqrCUpFiMUMel9ucExOTh3aLjMT1uSKxzrlR+qKfuCAC7LjwpPLp+R9sbZ ZcqQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8CEDE4696737814-13BC-1883D@webmail-stg-d12.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEDE4696737814-13BC-1883D@webmail-stg-d12.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 22:53:04 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY CT- COLLECTIVE From: andy soto To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043435b695fa2c04bca4421c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 20:53:06 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043435b695fa2c04bca4421c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 what was the first project? On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 7:47 PM, michael klobuchar wrote: > on this day in 1999 the first 4 cassettes were sent off, thus began the > adventure.....II: HAPPY :II --f46d043435b695fa2c04bca4421c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--f46d043435b695fa2c04bca4421c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 1 21:19:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 826EF18345B; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 21:19:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 742605617/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.181.64/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.181.64 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAMrFeE9V0rVA/2dsb2JhbAANNbwaAQEBAwE4OgYGCwsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBiAC2Mo14gyQEmz6NOg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,353,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="742605617" Message-ID: <4F78C661.6060909@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 22:19:29 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: loops with a drummer? References: <20120401163653.29DDE183463@arsenic.violacea.com> <4F788925.5000601@virgin.net> In-Reply-To: <4F788925.5000601@virgin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_6yeRB.A.e_.qZMePB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 21:19:38 +0000 (UTC) Dave Draper wrote: > Ah, interesting topic! > I've never met a drummer who's /happy/ to be a slave to a loop! (/They/ > set the rhythm, right?) I've only tried with 2 drummers, but both could lock to my bass loops easily. I only used to do that if I was going to pick up another instrument for a bit. I wouldn't use a click track unless a) I was payed b) someone would be upset if I didn't. I have used guitar loops with a band, but never to set tempo. The loops become more of a decoration in that context. > However I've played with a couple who are happy to play /with/ loops. > The difference for me, in improvised music, is that neither the drummer > nor the loop is the master, rather there may be loops, there may be drum > rhythms; sometimes the drummer reacts to a loop & plays what /he(/she)/ > hears - it might not be the same rhythm/time signature that the loop was > originally played in, but it often adds a kind of rhythmic counterpoint. > My next decision is whether to retrigger or change the loop, or more > usually, go with the drummer's interpretation. That way we get to > different places than either of us would reach individually, or by being > in a master/slave relationship. that sound like fun, got any recordings? andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 1 21:20:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF909183463; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 21:20:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JYQIUidRAECiNa+jsiaNMIhYElg3H2WoMKCJIGO75f4= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=U9pnK3UU0R_FRmgZG8kA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY CT- COLLECTIVE From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: <8CEDE4696737814-13BC-1883D@webmail-stg-d12.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 14:20:23 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <8CEDE4696737814-13BC-1883D@webmail-stg-d12.sysops.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 21:20:25 +0000 (UTC) HBD CTC. Michael, you must be a proud papa. 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Mon, 2 Apr 2012 08:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=WYsfpHwJ+NLHUfDwrEky1iiuYhpGeUQS6G4uun651QI=; b=h4hSHUrQTB/5VI5bP4HzeqcFiSmqGU9nyE6jMN76kS6HT19mtsFQHDIflNlYKDtCH4 PP2BE+k8THPkmZv4EDiHoEIq7gn7qDJktSBGWLahdxQisfRbmqh4pCq9SL+vtmMQ9nvR E91vqD8V0OuWDFbk2RfYDaE5mInc9vNW+kjGz+mV+tavMzfvFkJMhrs61C0QDmVuK+9j PYLPLPw2o3NaPkVVB6ZxGvykwqI9yoxvUtmGPmYetzb2IpyK10aYaEWvuJHaLvFIwU0j vBLicUacKvz59LtHeRV6xNpLU3APgsIF6BgI/5nS5KbTswvqYtg3G8hAE9hvxXK9LjO6 lT2A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: expertsleepers@gmail.com Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 09:31:46 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: PCaBd6ORYtr1j-lR6iJxvEPOxUY Message-ID: Subject: new live videos (guitar/modular synth looping) From: Os To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 08:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, some live videos for you from last week's Improvizone gig: http://vimeo.com/album/1885459 All improvised. I'm mainly looping Mike's guitar and my own modular synth. Enjoy! cheers, os. -- os@collective.co.uk http://twitter.com/expertsleepers http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 2 08:44:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D8A2183465; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 08:44:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/NmmTHKmJryPU53FuPm6NNem3CDeFoLzG8yfhriTB0o=; b=l0zhar80anE4mWvza+QdmvUGuXyo98wmY7giVgF3cIxMzD8p8vGqaWSvzEVS2Kv8vJ mU2xHjHbCC017DEQB3iL9FCdjhjSOrIbBsWHAQ8Mgshakbc2aojMggMBNvod/5Ii9s97 Fm5vkyOexIxr7ueke1kn/zLky531wDA1tFM1nflXJxDdwiwrxcdb+LR23JAMCnyzLjvw KKD9bzUffzwfz9yTjKC+d3YOnMgj8A9ywf1HG2YYQhP2DVhHXK6IYxXVhw4L/tLlpDfq iLITPc8MqC3It6U5SzuVyv9eiuerSZ24f1JoV7HTqkdIaddb0ELlZZT0Q/h1/BOaX0An 4gvw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: expertsleepers@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <72229E94-2DE8-4AFA-A913-968073D8F832@mac.com> References: <72229E94-2DE8-4AFA-A913-968073D8F832@mac.com> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 09:44:01 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: KS7U2wanGVfjEznPsdGCmMZdCQE Message-ID: Subject: Re: loops with a drummer? From: Os To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <4U32DD.A.PSG.SbWePB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 08:44:02 +0000 (UTC) As it happens I just posted to the list about a gig I did last week. The line up was guitar/bass/drums/synth, with me doing the looping of the guitar and synth. The drummer plays to a click, simple as that. He seems very happy to do so. http://vimeo.com/album/1885459 cheers, os. On 1 April 2012 17:15, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > As I read all the posts on this list I'm starting to wonder.... Is everyone here a solo artist? > > Does anyone use loops in a band context? > > If so, how? What are using? Do you only make ambient loops in the band, or do you play rhythms? > If you play rhythms and there's a drummer how do you get locked up with the drummer. > > I have my own solution, I've been doing it for 4 years now and I'm happy with the results... I'm just wondering what other people do. > > thanks for chiming in > Teddy > -- os@collective.co.uk http://twitter.com/expertsleepers http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 2 09:22:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3419183463; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 09:22:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=HA/FpCs0Vg0Ctk24m6qPCn5XKqof4gd5DZUx2HX55tk=; b=H3MqXUJwPoJ6y9reb1Edl60D5+Xd4ah3AaPMs5xiUmypYId5G7MiWaQH6vhvMzhLI4 9kguwv0CaztaOxCyVkZyQ5RddxhIOTsm4fDE0vWRJ890MI7nGfqyYL4wjXB8H4jAmec4 eUy6w8CJPBWjwcU4FtXVFR5AKWA7OVVXyNZ5AWnSwJtOxvRHKR6V/ozKpF8QFZrf/9Oe mdLxtKUV/oQlb3IPmSzN4+kRmnfwsCcjinYa2xFRyqDLgVxCXhYyv08B76G5LXGzlmYz VwLla+PHYG4W7ceQgAw7jPCiug3//XMfJQe+17v3CxtSX+Zhi6U8CezTg10QtVtct0pj e5lw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:22:43 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: new live videos (guitar/modular synth looping) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 09:22:44 +0000 (UTC) Very nice documentation! The slow motion video of #7 looks great. To tell the truth it totally confused me before I understood that it is slomo. It just looked like Os for no particular reason is starting out some crazy Tai Chi ballet right behind the keyboard. Because the music is so slow and dreamy at the start I didn't notice the lack of sync at first sight :-) Per On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Os wrote: > Hi all, > > some live videos for you from last week's Improvizone gig: > http://vimeo.com/album/1885459 > > All improvised. 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--2123480881-1594571866-1333358942=:49103-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 2 13:22:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34882183465; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 13:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=y6Bafi0CemytLbgN2xTfHI+qLytuuGAMnynJAs1Op/M=; b=uka6sm5a0jemlj34SA9rgGYleT2CuNvXjJxvY5N9y+Jz59OH949muHbW8B4u226GHR KYj8YDLfBGgXl6sWhnzSINh1TSqVkl3DN3raYbddFkj+sLm1B1qbU7JhMU87OhtsA+kr zPNRuC9EDn8A3HS0XDCrigLGNEOduNn3bjtqkveqZbjReV2Fcx1q5c9iGhHhaR3YEszN 9O8MTkM4Dis0ACDCOrv9NCGshQhv8cgclyAHlmfhcghDS4PE3kjvkOK4KLOKs1q5XzRI VAJV2G0mhjUsd7IEY1H6AXFcMGdnQkD2e8w5pNg9nrEfLTdamzUdYJlNi0ow13c5RGqT h7tw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: expertsleepers@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 14:22:09 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Q3RrOL7U4jx_wRWD_j1wFrtQXzk Message-ID: Subject: Re: new live videos (guitar/modular synth looping) From: Os To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 13:22:11 +0000 (UTC) the only reason for the slo-mo is that the camcorder ran out of battery during part 5, so I had no video for the following parts. I thought it would be fun to just fill the space with slowed down footage, and yes, it works remarkably well! cheers, os. On 2 April 2012 10:22, Per Boysen wrote: > Very nice documentation! The slow motion video of #7 looks great. To > tell the truth it totally confused me before I understood that it is > slomo. It just looked like Os for no particular reason is =A0starting > out some crazy Tai Chi ballet right behind the keyboard. Because the > music is so slow and dreamy at the start I didn't notice the lack of > sync at first sight :-) > > Per > > > On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Os wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> some live videos for you from last week's Improvizone gig: >> http://vimeo.com/album/1885459 >> >> All improvised. I'm mainly looping Mike's guitar and my own modular synt= h. >> >> Enjoy! >> >> >> cheers, >> os. >> >> -- >> os@collective.co.uk >> http://twitter.com/expertsleepers >> http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ >> http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ >> > --=20 os@collective.co.uk http://twitter.com/expertsleepers http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 2 19:22:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0553183460; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 19:22:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bMa04l30oP/W01HUX69RAaRc2YfbE3ip3CiszjOeLNw=; b=e2E5tWXKFDYAo97O+533ptcZJIFAM0+/VL3CLJ9V62KkB2DYI8Qtg82EUfhlc5JgLR 6lF+TFKiEowVjt3IlqAj/mP6lai+Xf8wv88k4rrxCmlBrgVM2CcS4R4Odmgd9t7RoBQP isjD5cHkW/668aLb3vc/xlaw/IHIjlv4/lAnMv79OsyNFAGZtdAv27jPZmzTGkZLUIHl xAkTQuJ1uuJ1mmSjyZm/CVcl4j8acrrvV8qzTKYLj/NG2YfR7t/j0byta82ccd9UVJuH T2Fu/pJ1SJDWMLqomFwkkSIcOIANpww4I71+IQwpaEbmSio6HuEjji/3VrIgEZ9uSEzr j26Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:22:43 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: new live videos (guitar/modular synth looping) From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 19:22:44 +0000 (UTC) Really nice stuff. Very restrained for improvisation, at least part 1 (I find when I get together with such a band we tend to roar a lot more often). Kevin On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 6:22 AM, Os wrote: > the only reason for the slo-mo is that the camcorder ran out of > battery during part 5, so I had no video for the following parts. I > thought it would be fun to just fill the space with slowed down > footage, and yes, it works remarkably well! > > > cheers, > os. > > > On 2 April 2012 10:22, Per Boysen wrote: >> Very nice documentation! The slow motion video of #7 looks great. To >> tell the truth it totally confused me before I understood that it is >> slomo. It just looked like Os for no particular reason is =A0starting >> out some crazy Tai Chi ballet right behind the keyboard. Because the >> music is so slow and dreamy at the start I didn't notice the lack of >> sync at first sight :-) >> >> Per >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Os wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> some live videos for you from last week's Improvizone gig: >>> http://vimeo.com/album/1885459 >>> >>> All improvised. I'm mainly looping Mike's guitar and my own modular syn= th. >>> >>> Enjoy! >>> >>> >>> cheers, >>> os. >>> >>> -- >>> os@collective.co.uk >>> http://twitter.com/expertsleepers >>> http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ >>> http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ >>> >> > > > > -- > os@collective.co.uk > http://twitter.com/expertsleepers > http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ > http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 2 20:10:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BE29183466; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 20:10:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=7+RqKcy7GEQjOmZtnA9I9QlNSSEa5xw9Bci6Frzcvs0=; b=bhewdJH0cwvAVElgqgWn3d2VfVH/CV13YRPRcFpuhrySAkFnq9D2jANPA0P0iUGCTE iTmkr7Btbvjph0zkCFdAIwqTlGQJzJpZr1CttA3a3Ur4rUjcU9UUUlK0Qi9k1PjqvWxh JfrjR151Xyo908kJxPvgNSgw+AAYfXKscuJlhu4//QwgXneXcZc9BJAF+KIAkZVqdC1l GUGtv/sq0wwr02PfDzbET01BZbXP0WBRZCEXMLECJmnYH93Us3l0EbRmWx6z0xGj4Tr7 oAtVuDTdZDH/u/D8VKwqSnObnwmMz6YyjMiYnNBBk2rCH7Y7927+qo/Ajz+DE/KwOKYN GNcw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 13:10:35 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Innerclock Systems - A Report From The Front From: Phil Clevenger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: dlackey@rolandsystemsgroup.com.au Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444047a7b1fe804bcb7c844 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 20:10:36 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0444047a7b1fe804bcb7c844 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey Loopers - Last year I started a thread asking if anyone was familiar with Innerclock Systems in Australia. I had been looking for a solution to get Ableton and all of my hardware loopers and effects into rock solid MIDI clock synch, and had been pulling out my hair because every solution I tried always ended in gotchas and dead ends. I am using combinations of Ableton, EDP, LP1, Repeater, and various outboard timed effects (delays, trems etc). Discussion was cautious as I recall, and nobody here had had direct experience with them. Their website was idiosyncratic to be sure, opaque even; that and the priciness of their products made it hard to want to jump in. * * But late last year I jumped in anyway, such was my desperation for a solution. Only reporting in now because I wanted some mileage with the system before speaking up... First I must say that Mr. David Lackey, who is Innerclocks, has been a diamond. From handling my pre-purchase hand-wringing and requests for advice, to assuring me I would not be stuck with the product in the event of a bad fit, to ensuring my post purchase questions were all answered in a fast, friendly, and (most of all) patient manner, my experience doing business with David has been nothing but pleasure. My experience with the product (the Synch Gen II) has also been successful. In the end it's fairly plug-and-play too, though I did succeed in making it harder than it needed to be for a bit :) I've been now running Ableton as master, with the Synch-Gen II plug-in generating audio pulses; these are sent out through my audio interface to the Sync Gen hardware unit (built like a tank and beautiful as well), which converts to MIDI clock and forwards on via 5 direct MIDI out ports to wherever I choose to send it. For the last weeks and months the Sync Gen has successfully kept Ableton and my LP1 in rock solid synch for the duration of any session, as well as my time-based hardware effects, and last night I had a session with another player using a second instance of Ableton which we also kept in rock solid synch with my master Ableton instance, plus the LP1 and everything else, via the Sync Gen. So I am reporting from the front: don't let the website or Aussie post code deter you from doing business here if you are in need of a solid software/hardware synch solution. The price is high, but David sold me with this point: there is considerable value in my (often costly) gear that I am not realizing, while I let it sit unused due to synch failure. And truly, his solution has enabled me to finally put my unused gear back on the front lines. Super grateful :) Phil --f46d0444047a7b1fe804bcb7c844 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey Loopers -=A0

Last year I started a thread asking if anyone was familiar = with=A0Inn= erclock Systems=A0in Australia.

I had been looking for a solution to get Ableton and all of= my hardware loopers and effects into rock solid MIDI clock synch, and had = been pulling out my hair because every solution I tried always ended in got= chas and dead ends. I am using combinations of Ableton, EDP, LP1, Repeater,= and various outboard timed effects (delays, trems etc).

Discussion was cautious as I recall, and nobody here had ha= d direct experience with them. Their website was idiosyncratic to be sure, = opaque even; that and the priciness of their products made it hard to want = to jump in.


But late last year I jumped = in anyway, such was my desperation for a solution. Only reporting in now be= cause I wanted some mileage with the system before speaking up...


First I must say that Mr. David Lackey, who is Innerclocks,= has been a diamond. From handling my pre-purchase hand-wringing and reques= ts for advice, to assuring me I would not be stuck with the product in the = event of a bad fit, to ensuring my post purchase questions were all answere= d in a fast, friendly, and (most of all) patient manner, my experience doin= g business with David has been nothing but pleasure.=A0

My experience with the product (the Synch Gen II) has also = been successful.=A0

In the end it's fairly plug-and-= play too, though I did succeed in making it harder than it needed to be for= a bit :) I've been now running Ableton as master, with the Synch-Gen I= I plug-in generating audio pulses; these are sent out through my audio inte= rface to the Sync Gen hardware unit (built like a tank and beautiful as wel= l), which converts to MIDI clock and forwards on via 5 direct MIDI out port= s to wherever I choose to send it. For the last weeks and months the Sync G= en has successfully kept Ableton and my LP1 in rock solid synch for the dur= ation of any session, as well as my time-based hardware effects, and last n= ight I had a session with another player using a second instance of Ableton= which we also kept in rock solid synch with my master Ableton instance, pl= us the LP1 and everything else, via the Sync Gen.


So I am reporting from the front: don't let the website= or Aussie post code deter you from doing business here if you are in need = of a solid software/hardware synch solution. The price is high, but David s= old me with this point: there is considerable value in my (often costly) ge= ar that I am not realizing, while I let it sit unused due to synch failure.= And truly, his solution has enabled me to finally put my unused gear back = on the front lines. Super grateful :)


Phil

--f46d0444047a7b1fe804bcb7c844-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 2 23:50:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1AF05183466; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 23:50:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=lqezS9Q4JsiGVGjt7heyUO+lAzpWI9KJhfCdwUYT89o=; b=nBEuJMVvXNwCGLDkMJVV2REDRkDEU32Cmx2CwIwFMSdQYs2xcEWRVCr4/7HPVg9jyR B8lJAyoHbe4fvyjN+TffOWVQDrFUBQbRcdCcrkaMP75i68d0ZBbYSCIq3WjRqM4eLFmJ 8nnMx9zNUXDX1f1j1l822NMsZt9PCXjuKIqY6B6nNYbuNS5eeQRFSOJZZvxjq1ZUXJo/ 5/xcK8OSjErpMgFLBNpcySRM0b9mNuPpXJ8XYbh8OKVPSvd2qEYWk30AkcKfAtE9osO4 7Kj8X5pzrqyETX12r7N1EAvsS3XRhtUb22l0o094SIerKuvBmh4DdD6HFbdbKy+dffBP VJMw== Subject: Re: Innerclock Systems - A Report From The Front References: From: Philip Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-DBBD71C5-626A-47FC-B7AE-A5781441DF5B X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 08:50:47 +0900 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 23:50:57 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-DBBD71C5-626A-47FC-B7AE-A5781441DF5B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That is great news indeed!!=20 What version firmware do you have in your LP1? 1.39? Sent from my phone On Apr 3, 2012, at 5:10 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote:= > Hey Loopers -=20 >=20 > Last year I started a thread asking if anyone was familiar with Innerclock= Systems in Australia. >=20 > I had been looking for a solution to get Ableton and all of my hardware lo= opers and effects into rock solid MIDI clock synch, and had been pulling out= my hair because every solution I tried always ended in gotchas and dead end= s. I am using combinations of Ableton, EDP, LP1, Repeater, and various outbo= ard timed effects (delays, trems etc). >=20 > Discussion was cautious as I recall, and nobody here had had direct experi= ence with them. Their website was idiosyncratic to be sure, opaque even; tha= t and the priciness of their products made it hard to want to jump in. >=20 >=20 >=20 > But late last year I jumped in anyway, such was my desperation for a solut= ion. Only reporting in now because I wanted some mileage with the system bef= ore speaking up... >=20 >=20 >=20 > First I must say that Mr. David Lackey, who is Innerclocks, has been a dia= mond. =46rom handling my pre-purchase hand-wringing and requests for advice,= to assuring me I would not be stuck with the product in the event of a bad f= it, to ensuring my post purchase questions were all answered in a fast, frie= ndly, and (most of all) patient manner, my experience doing business with Da= vid has been nothing but pleasure.=20 >=20 > My experience with the product (the Synch Gen II) has also been successful= .=20 >=20 > In the end it's fairly plug-and-play too, though I did succeed in making i= t harder than it needed to be for a bit :) I've been now running Ableton as m= aster, with the Synch-Gen II plug-in generating audio pulses; these are sent= out through my audio interface to the Sync Gen hardware unit (built like a t= ank and beautiful as well), which converts to MIDI clock and forwards on via= 5 direct MIDI out ports to wherever I choose to send it. For the last weeks= and months the Sync Gen has successfully kept Ableton and my LP1 in rock so= lid synch for the duration of any session, as well as my time-based hardware= effects, and last night I had a session with another player using a second i= nstance of Ableton which we also kept in rock solid synch with my master Abl= eton instance, plus the LP1 and everything else, via the Sync Gen. >=20 >=20 >=20 > So I am reporting from the front: don't let the website or Aussie post cod= e deter you from doing business here if you are in need of a solid software/= hardware synch solution. The price is high, but David sold me with this poin= t: there is considerable value in my (often costly) gear that I am not reali= zing, while I let it sit unused due to synch failure. And truly, his solutio= n has enabled me to finally put my unused gear back on the front lines. Supe= r grateful :) >=20 >=20 >=20 > Phil --Apple-Mail-DBBD71C5-626A-47FC-B7AE-A5781441DF5B Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
That is great news indeed!! 

What version firmware do you have in your LP1? 1.39?



Sent from my phone

On Apr 3, 2012, at 5:10 AM, Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Loopers - 

Last year I started a thread asking if anyone was familiar with Innerclock Systems in Australia.

I had been looking for a solution to get Ableton and all of my hardware loopers and effects into rock solid MIDI clock synch, and had been pulling out my hair because every solution I tried always ended in gotchas and dead ends. I am using combinations of Ableton, EDP, LP1, Repeater, and various outboard timed effects (delays, trems etc).

Discussion was cautious as I recall, and nobody here had had direct experience with them. Their website was idiosyncratic to be sure, opaque even; that and the priciness of their products made it hard to want to jump in.


But late last year I jumped in anyway, such was my desperation for a solution. Only reporting in now because I wanted some mileage with the system before speaking up...


First I must say that Mr. David Lackey, who is Innerclocks, has been a diamond. From handling my pre-purchase hand-wringing and requests for advice, to assuring me I would not be stuck with the product in the event of a bad fit, to ensuring my post purchase questions were all answered in a fast, friendly, and (most of all) patient manner, my experience doing business with David has been nothing but pleasure. 

My experience with the product (the Synch Gen II) has also been successful. 

In the end it's fairly plug-and-play too, though I did succeed in making it harder than it needed to be for a bit :) I've been now running Ableton as master, with the Synch-Gen II plug-in generating audio pulses; these are sent out through my audio interface to the Sync Gen hardware unit (built like a tank and beautiful as well), which converts to MIDI clock and forwards on via 5 direct MIDI out ports to wherever I choose to send it. For the last weeks and months the Sync Gen has successfully kept Ableton and my LP1 in rock solid synch for the duration of any session, as well as my time-based hardware effects, and last night I had a session with another player using a second instance of Ableton which we also kept in rock solid synch with my master Ableton instance, plus the LP1 and everything else, via the Sync Gen.


So I am reporting from the front: don't let the website or Aussie post code deter you from doing business here if you are in need of a solid software/hardware synch solution. The price is high, but David sold me with this point: there is considerable value in my (often costly) gear that I am not realizing, while I let it sit unused due to synch failure. And truly, his solution has enabled me to finally put my unused gear back on the front lines. Super grateful :)


Phil

--Apple-Mail-DBBD71C5-626A-47FC-B7AE-A5781441DF5B-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 00:21:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DDF2183466; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 00:21:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=MKkI3lJju8ZQUkZFFEDA+G7+NLG0Q/x4VmXK9H7ydqo=; b=U876P4ZHFtMmX1wCYNzd3Gw8037q1Iq6WS8+VDCFm0EGK663+DwoaZPzQWoECe2OPB gqtR4K5bFHcI1+fTIIRHWDShpXQQpdnPkoooae6ES01kLu41lhSS2We7HkVv+MuBcLsl tFgx/H4ARSy74seGz3BgXWicI+vj0Yfl1AwhYRuCDOJvnneEFiQDu+R0O4vw5xG8/N4q L2gL3JuVhJKQ+X81CKbg4ZcqBGDDy3sq67iWapVWayo9spuSxSn4YLb8+hlQoicsnAnh Emd6PIttrjmFnRm5TwoGKbuy604ZVl994ijVgVOrjSQqvJDjXbL+3bDe4FtLmiKilK2O gz+A== From: Phil Clevenger Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-18-770467658 Subject: Re: Innerclock Systems - A Report From The Front Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 17:21:09 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: <0C6C0C3E-0087-4198-BEA8-D158EA0453C9@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 00:21:15 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-18-770467658 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Philip, I am using 1.39, yes. I should also point out explicitly that of course, your mileage may = vary. I've not tested with every possible configuration, and there could = still be some gremlin I've not yet found. Also with the LP1, while it remains perfectly synched, it is not = perfectly *aligned.* That is to say, if you do any quantized = replacement, those quantized chunks will not be aligned with the master = timeline. I've had to set aside my quantized replace workflows for now. = Between Ableton's track delay adjustments and the Sync-Gen's own latency = adjust feature, there is likely a solution even for that, but I've not = yet had time to work on that thus far... Phil :) On Apr 2, 2012, at 4:50 PM, Philip wrote: > That is great news indeed!!=20 >=20 > What version firmware do you have in your LP1? 1.39? >=20 >=20 >=20 > Sent from my phone >=20 > On Apr 3, 2012, at 5:10 AM, Phil Clevenger = wrote: >=20 >> Hey Loopers -=20 >>=20 >> Last year I started a thread asking if anyone was familiar with = Innerclock Systems in Australia. >>=20 >> I had been looking for a solution to get Ableton and all of my = hardware loopers and effects into rock solid MIDI clock synch, and had = been pulling out my hair because every solution I tried always ended in = gotchas and dead ends. I am using combinations of Ableton, EDP, LP1, = Repeater, and various outboard timed effects (delays, trems etc). >>=20 >> Discussion was cautious as I recall, and nobody here had had direct = experience with them. Their website was idiosyncratic to be sure, opaque = even; that and the priciness of their products made it hard to want to = jump in. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> But late last year I jumped in anyway, such was my desperation for a = solution. Only reporting in now because I wanted some mileage with the = system before speaking up... >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> First I must say that Mr. David Lackey, who is Innerclocks, has been = a diamond. =46rom handling my pre-purchase hand-wringing and requests = for advice, to assuring me I would not be stuck with the product in the = event of a bad fit, to ensuring my post purchase questions were all = answered in a fast, friendly, and (most of all) patient manner, my = experience doing business with David has been nothing but pleasure.=20 >>=20 >> My experience with the product (the Synch Gen II) has also been = successful.=20 >>=20 >> In the end it's fairly plug-and-play too, though I did succeed in = making it harder than it needed to be for a bit :) I've been now running = Ableton as master, with the Synch-Gen II plug-in generating audio = pulses; these are sent out through my audio interface to the Sync Gen = hardware unit (built like a tank and beautiful as well), which converts = to MIDI clock and forwards on via 5 direct MIDI out ports to wherever I = choose to send it. For the last weeks and months the Sync Gen has = successfully kept Ableton and my LP1 in rock solid synch for the = duration of any session, as well as my time-based hardware effects, and = last night I had a session with another player using a second instance = of Ableton which we also kept in rock solid synch with my master Ableton = instance, plus the LP1 and everything else, via the Sync Gen. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> So I am reporting from the front: don't let the website or Aussie = post code deter you from doing business here if you are in need of a = solid software/hardware synch solution. The price is high, but David = sold me with this point: there is considerable value in my (often = costly) gear that I am not realizing, while I let it sit unused due to = synch failure. And truly, his solution has enabled me to finally put my = unused gear back on the front lines. Super grateful :) >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Phil >>=20 --Apple-Mail-18-770467658 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
That is great news = indeed!! 

What version firmware do you = have in your LP1? 1.39?



Sent from my = phone

On Apr 3, 2012, at 5:10 AM, Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> = wrote:

Hey Loopers - 

Last year I started = a thread asking if anyone was familiar with Innerclock = Systems in Australia.

I had been = looking for a solution to get Ableton and all of my hardware loopers and = effects into rock solid MIDI clock synch, and had been pulling out my = hair because every solution I tried always ended in gotchas and dead = ends. I am using combinations of Ableton, EDP, LP1, Repeater, and = various outboard timed effects (delays, trems etc).

Discussion was cautious as I recall, and nobody here had = had direct experience with them. Their website was idiosyncratic to be = sure, opaque even; that and the priciness of their products made it hard = to want to jump in.


But = late last year I jumped in anyway, such was my desperation for a = solution. Only reporting in now because I wanted some mileage with the = system before speaking up...


First I must say that Mr. David Lackey, who is Innerclocks, = has been a diamond. =46rom handling my pre-purchase hand-wringing and = requests for advice, to assuring me I would not be stuck with the = product in the event of a bad fit, to ensuring my post purchase = questions were all answered in a fast, friendly, and (most of all) = patient manner, my experience doing business with David has been nothing = but pleasure. 

My experience with the product = (the Synch Gen II) has also been successful. 

In = the end it's fairly plug-and-play too, though I did succeed in making it = harder than it needed to be for a bit :) I've been now running Ableton = as master, with the Synch-Gen II plug-in generating audio pulses; these = are sent out through my audio interface to the Sync Gen hardware unit = (built like a tank and beautiful as well), which converts to MIDI clock = and forwards on via 5 direct MIDI out ports to wherever I choose to send = it. For the last weeks and months the Sync Gen has successfully kept = Ableton and my LP1 in rock solid synch for the duration of any session, = as well as my time-based hardware effects, and last night I had a = session with another player using a second instance of Ableton which we = also kept in rock solid synch with my master Ableton instance, plus the = LP1 and everything else, via the Sync Gen.


So I am reporting from the front: don't let the website or = Aussie post code deter you from doing business here if you are in need = of a solid software/hardware synch solution. The price is high, but = David sold me with this point: there is considerable value in my (often = costly) gear that I am not realizing, while I let it sit unused due to = synch failure. And truly, his solution has enabled me to finally put my = unused gear back on the front lines. Super grateful :)


Phil


= --Apple-Mail-18-770467658-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 14:37:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0241183475; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 14:37:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=qQuZXPDgTJdYNVGl4ItfHPSSIi16hSDSS49PhyQP4VA=; b=JpY4n3TcgnhwyovKv6S6WvuRkTE525HnbF52EIYoViGJeY461NMlTGhv/JKas6oyGx pLTFPyvjDVZfw08q0TCfkenFFWO46pOGj+Ect88EycyDdHlgw8rti/KpTuNUh5Hg/6m+ Evo9aN2t06RkE5aJarNMdB69G7QqPjgRr/YREWQHCKMxaXtmHWfNRUPIcPcBE+RG9c8E nudp9TeMbNa/xJk+Pa4O7vWEzsih72fJxEnWGALAlNgUWVZLWlUzk9wM/YVULuATQDEF 2Pcdt7tR/yBSa2PbAAfWJnEMSmPVqsUtc7QTrfOS7adE9yWBrxuAyoce1SJePHIKUTHt X8vA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 16:37:18 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: GR55 tip for USB digital line-in on Mac without sacrificing fidelity From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 14:37:20 +0000 (UTC) Hi, This is a tip for those using a Roland GR55 guitar synth and a Apple computer for amplification/recording. The tip is that you can pipe the GR55 into the Mac digitally through a USB cable without having to set up the GR55 as the external audio interface for the Mac. Many good audio interfaces sound better then the GR55, both on the input side for digitizing the guitar's analog pickup outputs and on the output side when sending the mix to monitoring or PA. By going digitally through USB we are sidestepping the lousy AD/DA conversion of the GR55 so you get the GR55 synths as digital line-in and still can plug your guitar etc into the better audio interface you hopefully have. This means the GR55 is active as an audio interface together with your normal interface and on a Mac and you can make this routing possible by creating an Aggregate Device in the Audio MIDI Setup Utility (look for it in "Applications/Utilities"). Under the audio tab you click the little plus signe down left and create your own Aggregate Device where you can combine many physical interfaces. In my case over here I'm combining my RME Fireface400 with the GR55. Now, when launching an audio application (like Mobius standalone, Logic, Live...) you open its preferences and select your new Aggregate Device as its audio interface. In my case what happens then is that the audio application detects 20 incoming channels instead of the usual 18 of the RME box. Channel 1 - 18 are the usual RME channels while channel 19-20 is the USB stereo feed from the GR55. The sound is much better compared to when I used analog guitar cables from the two GR55 outputs into a stereo input of the RME. And less to schlepp around. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 15:34:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABA08183466; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 15:34:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3x09@carlsonarts.com> X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 711706.92803.bm@omp1030.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1333467205; bh=AVhTpALZzOdr2D43LPspllJ7PoHTsL/JG778f+2RUcw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Subject:References:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=gewWNYOuVjvMfXA2/9DVc7I4vP3aozatmpy9273aBynGgBm6870DBuKVTD5niXk4BE1yyoxxLNaZOyBbLCHQ99Bo02x45WEd1hOsb6JnM57TMEMxER/bknJOsKOJfIFVu9sFiJg3jYS74C9JmlwaUGGWhRUQvbdMCN9dIsUaV0Y= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: ogeOvdQVM1ktMKQwbGe9JD7KQB7q3e2ghHDAioiGWqzADS5 fygYawuLHKwanAF01OXqAJcKQHTF8xTdN87NtSaIjrYPOAC5xvN_nHicSYWN A.2opfjrk8Jp3PXrd3IV8FzUvQawMoun2Nh2eeklY_2rqzXXKFkNnOm5nrnw OIchhJ8PRP4lfj7o3U45T6t4VHEZnG__9hAxPKgRB7PHbagNnApk.toWmK19 mEIG1qQkUIAtwv441fP.w4_EzdQx_RvMRciD13VHwy7GeOKulNU9APDBnfl8 31xk8JyNaz_34jNcSCIKzNzofSey99z1bs8_8gKGXjCtoQRCCPVeJrIsY_0U TUq7Sr6LLhql4fzjC4xfpPCkVU0UmON.BX1fVi6I2mWLX4JW9ETvXdR1p4_S eqqaYCdntjKNV9EdSXm9FdWvUaGhioSWsLZoBhPOU8vsHrKofNPF.inJx84J WVAwFF2wMOCahb_x6B0WiArFwWIGlhkF_b6ayqL6ceUySQ5Tt3.t00Y0toYE Zdl7TbXHY4cTlUseaElO2et78cgZnXMiYCpEDseQweKI8wQn0 X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F Subject: Re: GR55 tip for USB digital line-in on Mac without sacrificing fidelity References: From: TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8A293) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 08:33:07 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A293) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 15:34:27 +0000 (UTC) Hey Per, what do you think of the GR55 for voice to MIDI or controlling its s= ynth with voice? Peace and Adventure, Michael Carlson On Apr 3, 2012, at 7:37 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi, >=20 > This is a tip for those using a Roland GR55 guitar synth and a Apple > computer for amplification/recording. The tip is that you can pipe the > GR55 into the Mac digitally through a USB cable without having to set > up the GR55 as the external audio interface for the Mac. Many good > audio interfaces sound better then the GR55, both on the input side > for digitizing the guitar's analog pickup outputs and on the output > side when sending the mix to monitoring or PA. By going digitally > through USB we are sidestepping the lousy AD/DA conversion of the GR55 > so you get the GR55 synths as digital line-in and still can plug your > guitar etc into the better audio interface you hopefully have. This > means the GR55 is active as an audio interface together with your > normal interface and on a Mac and you can make this routing possible > by creating an Aggregate Device in the Audio MIDI Setup Utility (look > for it in "Applications/Utilities"). Under the audio tab you click the > little plus signe down left and create your own Aggregate Device where > you can combine many physical interfaces. In my case over here I'm > combining my RME Fireface400 with the GR55. Now, when launching an > audio application (like Mobius standalone, Logic, Live...) you open > its preferences and select your new Aggregate Device as its audio > interface. In my case what happens then is that the audio application > detects 20 incoming channels instead of the usual 18 of the RME box. > Channel 1 - 18 are the usual RME channels while channel 19-20 is the > USB stereo feed from the GR55. The sound is much better compared to > when I used analog guitar cables from the two GR55 outputs into a > stereo input of the RME. And less to schlepp around. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 15:43:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1976183475; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 15:43:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=opx4Mu3Zud7ldX1XkbOKYmxAm9Wg6VaVfpBnuiFNss1cN+NcVsVaxiwS/rfP7PMt; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 11:43:16 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: GR55 tip for USB digital line-in on Mac without sacrificing fidelity Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79b1667e9a60e5a0a015c06b8dd36fe2c3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 15:43:42 +0000 (UTC) One caveat to Per's suggestion: The GR-55 will need to be the word clock master in order to prevent clicks and pops due to unsynchronized audio. In the past, I've had problems with random latency when using an aggregate audio driver. YMMV... CZ > >On Apr 3, 2012, at 7:37 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> This is a tip for those using a Roland GR55 guitar synth and a Apple >> computer for amplification/recording. The tip is that you can pipe the >> GR55 into the Mac digitally through a USB cable without having to set >> up the GR55 as the external audio interface for the Mac. Many good >> audio interfaces sound better then the GR55, both on the input side >> for digitizing the guitar's analog pickup outputs and on the output >> side when sending the mix to monitoring or PA. By going digitally >> through USB we are sidestepping the lousy AD/DA conversion of the GR55 >> so you get the GR55 synths as digital line-in and still can plug your >> guitar etc into the better audio interface you hopefully have. This >> means the GR55 is active as an audio interface together with your >> normal interface and on a Mac and you can make this routing possible >> by creating an Aggregate Device in the Audio MIDI Setup Utility (look >> for it in "Applications/Utilities"). Under the audio tab you click the >> little plus signe down left and create your own Aggregate Device where >> you can combine many physical interfaces. In my case over here I'm >> combining my RME Fireface400 with the GR55. Now, when launching an >> audio application (like Mobius standalone, Logic, Live...) you open >> its preferences and select your new Aggregate Device as its audio >> interface. In my case what happens then is that the audio application >> detects 20 incoming channels instead of the usual 18 of the RME box. >> Channel 1 - 18 are the usual RME channels while channel 19-20 is the >> USB stereo feed from the GR55. The sound is much better compared to >> when I used analog guitar cables from the two GR55 outputs into a >> stereo input of the RME. And less to schlepp around. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 16:32:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B36EF183466; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 16:32:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=C7ndAtCWcvMfyjCYJTB8X6NOeZabgMhxznLzms44cVk=; b=o4eSraH9jGvOIu9CxxdDPOvDFhd4ULWQsvIiedE45x0eTqYWvBNHZ+VAX851+e9UmA n316NX1x3t8vLt87RLPSiNbqoOhbXPLGMQke2NwPC8JVuAh1YgpuY5DnDJ+nqZDFIko2 SA976nhqnyEM1t4RmVLuYVdIG8rVozatqd04HdiAhL1BLAa2wdpJrKrbD78f+nmchgjB Qwri21ahjL4W73a6Ex2ZzkEgv8mLu5KjSwRQnF2uCWQeHX6DdHZSAMbdWBuhRc4uLyEr jeLR/H4P+vocEfDNxqRvLCt7Dn3gHLdsVvV7mX/SoICnDJbsPxf1PDmByy9zcMEl7psp rgmw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <72229E94-2DE8-4AFA-A913-968073D8F832@mac.com> References: <72229E94-2DE8-4AFA-A913-968073D8F832@mac.com> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:32:28 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: loops with a drummer? From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 16:32:29 +0000 (UTC) I have my loopers in my improvised space music band Tiny Owl (http://tinyowl.bandcamp.com), but I use them much more sparingly than I do for solo work. Most frequently I use them for drones and textural stuff. When I have a rhythmic loop, there's a few different ways we approach it: --My drummer see it as an opportunity to play texturally instead of rhythmically, which she's happy to do. --The drummer and the rest of the band try to follow the loop, but there's usually some drift, which leads to... ----I can do the start/stop to resync it with the band. (When I do this, it tends to start feeling like a rut that's hard to get out of, at least with the DL-4.) ----I can discard the loop and start doing something else. (To me, part of being in an improv band is being willing to discard things when they no longer fit.) ----I can start modifying the loop by running it through fx, changing the speed, toggling forward/reverse, playing with volume, etc. This can be cool, since it results in a perception shift - the loop becomes an improvisational element rather than the rhythmic anchor. ----Sometimes, if the loop is something very simple, such as 2 beeps every few seconds, I just turn the volume down quite a bit and let it keep going. Then when that particular jam cools off, you'll have that one leftover element that can tie the end to the beginning as you finish. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com Teddy Kumpel was all: > As I read all the posts on this list I'm starting to wonder.... Is everyone here a solo artist? > > Does anyone use loops in a band context? > > If so, how? What are using? Do you only make ambient loops in the band, or do you play rhythms? > If you play rhythms and there's a drummer how do you get locked up with the drummer. > > I have my own solution, I've been doing it for 4 years now and I'm happy with the results... I'm just wondering what other people do. > > thanks for chiming in > Teddy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 17:38:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9553F183466; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 17:38:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=KK12wso0krhatWXq5KvZOcCWN0OaPoMRnGDGtonE2XE=; b=VUeZIHlwTvwneba40w/rQqCeMzDm0uiy3USuUPZX6Fls7fPWsaHX0PjxfkgQw8zQ7j GrbLQcVbphDB4fsrGPKqUFg+0CQgteSGJueKbglSEx6EYw3bPqB1mVf0rRsdvcoUN4YJ rV680DvrlWi8pPZLBFAMszYRFQogzgbA3tyn+bHdtnYL/eHtCbyjYw8jS5bdKs2of35k zYmaNvqCH6Azv1m9bSKT4NycgFglqggU6WKI4EaYLDCs6YaPk+42mvMCxXIHCtKBJRpi P/U6dUzNnk8jmDyveaKcGYjPbB4CKgD7eRBhht03H4Ok6MOYYeXWoMCnXUMI0zAOJcxf UaEw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 19:38:14 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: GR55 tip for USB digital line-in on Mac without sacrificing fidelity From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <0IOBYD.A.BPH.HWzePB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 17:38:15 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > The GR-55 will need to be the word clock master in order to prevent clicks > and pops due to unsynchronized audio. Correct. I left out that to not bore people with a marathon post :-)) I do run my RME box set to "AutoSync". On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 5:33 PM, TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> wrote: > Hey Per, what do you think of the GR55 for voice to MIDI or controlling its synth with voice? I think the day Roland offers a "Voice Pickup" that talks to the GR55 it will totally rock. Until then we need string instruments with GK pickups to drive the GR55. It doesn't detect normal MIDI, you need a special Roland cable between the GK pickup and the GR55. The sounding synths are all in the GR55 although the GR55 can also produce a MIDI output to drive other parallel MIDI devices. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 18:12:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8838C183460; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 18:12:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 740998448/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.190.98/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.190.98 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBANA8e09V0r5i/2dsb2JhbAANNrsoAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBvw2NQoMkBJtAjTs X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,364,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="740998448" Message-ID: <4F7B3D81.1060403@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 19:12:17 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: GR55 tip for USB digital line-in on Mac without sacrificing fidelity References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-RKK-C.A.2lH.B2zePB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 18:12:17 +0000 (UTC) Charles Zwicky wrote: > One caveat to Per's suggestion: > > The GR-55 will need to be the word clock master in order to prevent > clicks and pops due to unsynchronized audio. With respect to Charles. As I understand it, the aggregate driver (and MAC audio in general) uses Sample Rate conversion to avoid synchronisation problems. I was told this by a guy who worked on drivers for the devices made by a "very large company". He actually said "for best quality, use a pc". andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 18:41:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 209C9183466; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 18:41:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3x09@carlsonarts.com> X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 195935.89967.bm@omp1025.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1333478503; bh=NSZmzf+jazJdrAIQSH3SrnZzk101uZGCktePuJdtU8Q=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer; b=qNsP7afZg8IHXg0zC77K45ZS4EEECvNgyx8HPM6k5UmbXcFTNzvV7PwDvjnk/PpYQJqxJJBtuiQrMS17gA3ymQ4q4oAZwwr8/sseWuCfwxbBu3bRAshpwTxTFrv34FqztXj7mSxzV6PlUiX48uGYbv0yFgcMNeuGD5Kq1Ghbtr8= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: d52nMQsVM1nhtGfxgHA87LccIlInNdsw8dGvr5D3rZO1i5E _IHzxa6A2vcvYyi8YLN7_mMWj0SpHv2w2GAJ.Zc6oNDgp90TpnqfFg198Vld 2nzqmA64NRq8MJe6OtC.dig0o5.Hx.sd5e.Xzm.R8KC52sUqKkDXAILXz1Yu p.78vBbo1Nu1D05.R8js3Ip7gq6LA3rh7Hva9mzJgWb8Hjif8zat9Wcu9u8L hbSidp3I2fDwEv6IZVPLVctp.jdYJLnyQT23__ZHBYTaPVSjJZQ05Cj.FI2z aFU46BHhD94VerLJWWi40N30s4Cdkzdvc_EV2I24gLkvfwYJwgMiLB3TpK1A Cb.o.oZpZi9BcWqr7GVwvx5kkntMBmOjxMuvFe.8Xpd85LJcGIlB7uFrRfYr U38H8mzHDu430wmgdf_fQDO3Q7dNmmZYReu0o5R1Xy.8CP4TBjRLzu7uBKEY lshdgwXAj X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F From: TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-836499608 Subject: Re: GR55 tip for USB digital line-in on Mac without sacrificing fidelity Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 11:41:41 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: <3D863986-7D6A-409E-8B94-8712B6C1116D@carlsonarts.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 18:41:43 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-836499608 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks, Per. I think the GI10 has a 1/4" input on the front of it, but = so far all the equipment that I've tried to use for voice to MIDI is = only moderately successful. =20 Michael Carlson On Apr 3, 2012, at 10:38 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 5:33 PM, TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> = wrote: >> Hey Per, what do you think of the GR55 for voice to MIDI or = controlling its synth with voice? >=20 > I think the day Roland offers a "Voice Pickup" that talks to the GR55 > it will totally rock. Until then we need string instruments with GK > pickups to drive the GR55. It doesn't detect normal MIDI, you need a > special Roland cable between the GK pickup and the GR55. The sounding > synths are all in the GR55 although the GR55 can also produce a MIDI > output to drive other parallel MIDI devices. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen --Apple-Mail-1-836499608 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Michael = Carlson

On Apr 3, 2012, at 10:38 AM, = Per Boysen wrote:

On Tue, Apr = 3, 2012 at 5:33 PM, TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> = wrote:
Hey Per, what do you think of the = GR55 for voice to MIDI or controlling its synth with = voice?

I think the day Roland offers a "Voice = Pickup" that talks to the GR55
it will totally rock. Until then we = need string instruments with GK
pickups to drive the GR55. It doesn't = detect normal MIDI, you need a
special Roland cable between the GK = pickup and the GR55. The sounding
synths are all in the GR55 although = the GR55 can also produce a MIDI
output to drive other parallel MIDI = devices.

Greetings from Sweden

Per = Boysen

= --Apple-Mail-1-836499608-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 18:50:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E30D183475; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 18:50:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F7B466A.6030704@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 11:50:18 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: loops with a drummer? References: <4F78C661.6060909@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4F78C661.6060909@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-YIOD.A.aM.0Z0ePB@arsenic> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 18:50:29 +0000 (UTC) > Dave Draper wrote: >> I've never met a drummer who's /happy/ to be a slave to a loop! >> (/They/ set the rhythm, right?) This is an interesting topic that I"ve given considerable time to in my own life as a professional drummer and a live looping artist. I love playing to loops. I consider it a unique timely challenge to be able to do so rather than being a 'slave' to the loop. It's difficult to do and not every drummer has the timing skills required to play to a loop. That said, there are several things that have to happen for this to work in two distinctly different scenarios: A) Where the drummer is supposed to play continuously to a an already established melodic loop 1) the drummer has to have really good monitoring of the loop. That's a bottom line. 2) also, frequently, an instrumentalist will lay a rhythm loop down and then proceed to overdub on the loop which causes timbral masking and makes it exceedingly difficult for a percussionist (or anyone) to hear the foundational rhythm loop clearly enough. 3) towards this end, I think it's excellent for the drummer to have their own monitor whose volume they can control in the middle of the gig, themselves. This monitor works best if it receives ONLY the loop that is foundational This can be tricky depending on who is sending them the loop, but a loop selector pedal is really a great tool for directing a loop to the drummers monitor. 4) a drummer who has not experienced this kind of situation HAS to practice synchronizing in such a scenario. Don't expect an inexperienced drummer to be able to do this the first time. It wont' happen and you'll get musical drift. In the case of multi-tracking loop setups, I recommend that the first loop (rhythm loop) be sent to one channel and then sent on to the drummers' monitor. In the LP-1, as an example, you can route a loop to an AUX channel out that only goes to the drummer/percussionist for audible loop synchronization. I believe Ablteton's Live and Mobius can also be routed similarly. B) Where the person who controlling the loop attempts to synchronize and re-synchronize to a live band in real time. 1) frustrated by the Line 6 DL-4's inability to retrigger without the 'one shot' function engaged (necessitating three button presses to to resync a loop to a live band/drummer (retrigger, stop- at the end of the loop in a musical place, play) I actually put a brand new function into the LP-2 - RETRIGGER CONTINUOUS for specifically this kind of re-triggering scenario. 2) when I'm using this 'manual retrigger' approach to staying in sync with a live band (or, indeed, to another looper using non-synced rhythmic loops that I want to stay syncrhonized to) and I'm the one controlling the loop, I find it efficacious to create longer lengthed loops (4 bars instead of 1 bar, at least) so that the drift from the band (or alternate un-synced loop) will take a lot longer. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 19:25:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FE70183465; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 19:25:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=iFe+6pF+0M4EwgKhffPZmtHqikvWFb7gMnNIxDen5vY=; b=BOgHxaQZo/t1PXLCxLPVekekK+6j3L7rBEsQCChsOyioLNN/ZEsBUhvOmIPXM8+78u D/UnyFiAiN8Ckl9fq/WjVCMoSjafowkB0PUteRP7kYUQfO9QGMc8tjw6cK3YUm0u+hIb C3xCa+U4x2whY1gCkjv7gpTHjEDXMxhps9I4ArjE6k5S8zVswezpWz9w5HWwS0E2fh8R 7kVny+FquduZZkUtoi+MHQh9aQR8ly+4uwa5ANkedjRHligj58FutN97SjxSyjSB8q5h 3o1/i5iz3rDP0rlDUeusGEnUnkNPQcXLOpb+S53LD+1WLC3Ey+Ht6JQWPwWfxY9ZWvbY NZCA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 21:25:01 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Sharing album stream "Love 4 Glitch" on streamnets From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 19:25:02 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Just a short note that my recent post production film music album is up for sharing over streaming networks. http://soundcloud.com/pboy/sets I heard the music library engine at the licensing publisher now also permits worldwide streaming. Myself I think SoundCloud is easier (much due to its cool iPhone app where I listen to my friend's stuff while cooking food) but if anyone what to listen at the label it is under http://amgscandinavia.com/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 19:28:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 255AA183466; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 19:28:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F7B4F5E.4070803@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 12:28:30 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Teach Yourself about Time (Part One): Using live looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 19:28:40 +0000 (UTC) In a lot of interviews I've given about live looping I frequently mention that I have learned more about the concept of time and timing from playing with loops than even playing with multiple master drummers from around the planet (with their very distinctive and idiosyncratic approaches to 'feel' in timing) or to playing with click tracks, drum machines or synthesizer sequencers. I'm fond of trying to teach myself and my students to really deeply listen to what is being played, viz. a vis timing. Human beings naturally project onto reality. We have a tendency to hear what we really want to hear, intentionally, rather than hearing what we've actually played. It is also possible for us to hear someone who is playing 'behind the beat' or 'ahead of the beat' and to think of it as a musical and valid approach. To play too far behind the beat causes the music to 'drag' and be perceived as a mistake. Playing to much ahead of the beat, causes the music to 'rush' creating yet another kind of mistake. There is, therefore, certain amount of perceptual leeway that we consider musical even though it is quantized/metronomic-ally inaccurate Looping provides us with a truly stellar way to start learning how to listen and to 'hear' what is really being played, even if it is slightly inaccurate, viz. a vis a quantized metronomic approach. If you make a loop that is lumpy (say the downbeat of the bar is really awkwardly played too late) it is a really good thing to listen deeply to your mistake and then to learn how to play to it as if it WASN'T a mistake. I showed this example at a PASIC clinic on live looping once, where I purposefully recorded a loop that had awful downbeat timing......enough to make a famous studio drummer groan causing everyone to laugh. By overdubbing a few times and putting long envelope sounds over the 'mistake', however, suddenly this horrible loop sounded musical again. In this case, the listeners were able to have a reasonable suspension of disbelief in hearing the 'new' loop that I had created. They bought the piece as musical but only because I had 'learned' the mistake and made a conscious effort to obscure it. Many kinds of regional rhythmic feels from around the world, are merely slight deviations from what people would call 'quantized' metronomic time and, on some levels, also allow us to have a reasonable suspension of disbelief. What this means is that it is possible by being able to stretch one's playing....allowing us to play to what is actually a 'mistake' in our loop and do it in a way that is musical. Here's a fun exercise to begin preparing to 'fix' inaccurate loops whilst playing live: 1) create a single bar loop and purposefully slow down slight as you truncate your loop on the downbeat. Keep the loop running and sit down and really listen to it. Now see if you can play another rhythmic part that purposefully aligns with the 'mistake' you've created. 2) Do this several times (wonderful if your looper has an undo feature---make an overdub that 'fit's musically with your lumpy loop and then undo it and try again). Now see if you can freely solo over this new feel you have created. 3) Do the same exercise and see if you can speed up as you truncate your loop inaccurately. 4) repeat step 2. As you play these exercise get more outrageous with how lumpy your loop is. Even if this sounds highly un-musical (even comedic) keep pushing the boundaries of playing behind or ahead of the downbeat as you make your purposefully inaccurate loop. If you do this enough times, then suddenly, try making a normal loop. You'll find that your accuracy is much greater for having practiced these exercises. Be fearless! Really learn how to listen to the inaccuracies in your loops. If you can really discern how they vary from the ideal of a quantized/metronomic time, you will gain some mad skills at being able to play with anyone or any loop. Just for fun, listen to the amazing German drummer Marco Minnemann as he plays to random cartoon dialogue that is looped. He is playing to what is happening rhythmically. I doesn't necessarily fit to any grid but you can impose a grid over the examples and come up with something that is musical. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHft4OR7Rus Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 19:34:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76161183462; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 19:34:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=XjGsl4ACDjsYsqPZvVw+gx4PnRg0GPfY6xnWGfOwO+A=; b=GonnxYLJdmNPTrOGYSV+7H7XJJs3VV4Xy7pZutLZO6Na6T0RVLL9SySehbUqhiVkQg 8u24OIXuZM4zvRYwYnl2fmVP/5Qg7tSBdTTUKkv8d3pgL8WS5u3Ss6ZFEW5to8OaS7Us oy1IM4zpi18OcJ9agRzUb8QRRU5fJpzbszdmh3mYQ3V6cMUjnFDETT6/z6bWp3Yak3Ae T9R3Wz99KJ/162Ef0PAJVbn6Ncqxk4nsSW2WjVk6w6Xbs/xuBmOPCXICVSOEuV6A9+sv GkxH9TQhWKmp9MkbC2qdYiDzZNMhEtRzYC8tUW2YYE22w95BunOuZBkSzJzPj6EZ9vDR jR2A== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 20:34:37 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sharing album stream "Love 4 Glitch" on streamnets From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 19:34:39 +0000 (UTC) Cool, Per :) I like track 2! On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi, > > Just a short note that my recent post production film music album is > up for sharing over streaming networks. > http://soundcloud.com/pboy/sets > > I heard the music library engine at the licensing publisher now also > permits worldwide streaming. Myself I think SoundCloud is easier (much > due to its cool iPhone app where I listen to my friend's stuff while > cooking food) but if anyone what to listen at the label it is under > http://amgscandinavia.com/ > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 20:21:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57F01183464; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 20:21:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 743174392/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.190.98/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.190.98 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBANVae09V0r5i/2dsb2JhbAANNrsyAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYgAtnGNQoMkBJtAjTs X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,365,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="743174392" Message-ID: <4F7B5BB8.2030700@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 21:21:12 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: loops with a drummer? References: <4F78C661.6060909@tiscali.co.uk> <4F7B466A.6030704@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4F7B466A.6030704@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 20:21:35 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > I love playing to loops. I love playing drums to loops that drift out of sync. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 20:24:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F0CF183475; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 20:24:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7498,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-03_06:2012-04-03,2012-04-03,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1204030235 Subject: Re: loops with a drummer? From: Teddy Kumpel In-reply-to: <4F7B466A.6030704@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 16:24:38 -0400 Message-id: <9286BC99-530D-45FB-89EC-329E6867D8B3@mac.com> References: <4F78C661.6060909@tiscali.co.uk> <4F7B466A.6030704@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 20:24:54 +0000 (UTC) excellent breakdown of the facts of drummers with loops Rick, thanks... I agree with all of that I would add Scenario C because I don't like having my rhythm gtr be the time keeper. Allow me to explain. When I play rhythm guitar with a drummer in a groove oriented band with no looper, the drummer is, of course, the time keeper and I am usually somewhat behind the drums on purpose, for grooviness, you know like on everyone's favorite soul music records. That's just how I feel it. So, for my rhythm guitar to be the time keeper with the drummer following always sounds odd to me. That's why I use a click, that the audience doesn't hear, to keep the beat. In my experience, that frees up the loopist from being the time keeper and can lead to a much more authentic groove... by authentic I mean, closer to what a gtr player playing with a drummer being the time keeper with no looper or click would feel like. The purpose of my post was to ask everyone if they knew a better technical way to feed a click to the drummer. I've been using the RC-50 for a while now and it's been fun, but I want more possibilities from the looper side of things. Is there a piece of gear that is not an RC-50 or a laptop that will do this (I already know how to do it with either of those things). Maybe the LP-1? thanks for chiming in everyone, very interesting posts. On Apr 3, 2012, at 2:50 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > This is an interesting topic that I"ve given considerable time to in my own life as a professional drummer > and a live looping artist. > > I love playing to loops. I consider it a unique timely challenge to be able to do so rather than being > a 'slave' to the loop. It's difficult to do and not every drummer has the timing skills required to > play to a loop. > > That said, there are several things that have to happen for this to work in two distinctly different scenarios: > > A) Where the drummer is supposed to play continuously to a an already established melodic loop > > 1) the drummer has to have really good monitoring of the loop. That's a bottom line. > > 2) also, frequently, an instrumentalist will lay a rhythm loop down and then proceed to overdub on the > loop which causes timbral masking and makes it exceedingly difficult for a percussionist (or anyone) > to hear the foundational rhythm loop clearly enough. > > 3) towards this end, I think it's excellent for the drummer to have their own monitor whose volume they can control > in the middle of the gig, themselves. This monitor works best if it receives ONLY the loop that is foundational > This can be tricky depending on who is sending them the loop, but a loop selector pedal is really a great tool > for directing a loop to the drummers monitor. > > 4) a drummer who has not experienced this kind of situation HAS to practice synchronizing in such a scenario. > Don't expect an inexperienced drummer to be able to do this the first time. It wont' happen and you'll get > musical drift. > > In the case of multi-tracking loop setups, I recommend that the first loop (rhythm loop) be sent to one > channel and then sent on to the drummers' monitor. In the LP-1, as an example, you can route a loop to an AUX channel out that only goes to the drummer/percussionist for audible loop synchronization. I believe Ablteton's > Live and Mobius can also be routed similarly. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 20:29:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16C30183474; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 20:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7498,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-03_06:2012-04-03,2012-04-03,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1204030237 Subject: Re: Teach Yourself about Time (Part One): Using live looping From: Teddy Kumpel In-reply-to: <4F7B4F5E.4070803@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 16:29:33 -0400 Message-id: <64F1BC9D-7E6F-4757-94ED-15EBB399D37F@mac.com> References: <4F7B4F5E.4070803@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <61FmnC.A.ijB.w21ePB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 20:29:36 +0000 (UTC) excellent Rick. I used to practice like that in the 80's with a metronome... rush parts of things on purpose, dragging parts of things on purpose, till I found unique ways of being loose within the beat. Taping myself, listening back, trying to duplicate it on another track. The fact that we can loop it on the fly now is just an amazing tool for learning about time for sure. Thanks for sharing that. On Apr 3, 2012, at 3:28 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > In a lot of interviews I've given about live looping I frequently > mention that I have learned more about the concept of time and > timing from playing with loops than even playing with multiple master > drummers from around the planet (with their very distinctive and idiosyncratic > approaches to 'feel' in timing) or to playing with click tracks, drum machines > or synthesizer sequencers. > > I'm fond of trying to teach myself and my students to really deeply listen > to what is being played, viz. a vis timing. > > Human beings naturally project onto reality. We have a tendency to > hear what we really want to hear, intentionally, rather than hearing what > we've actually played. > > It is also possible for us to hear someone who is playing 'behind the beat' > or 'ahead of the beat' and to think of it as a musical and valid approach. > To play too far behind the beat causes the music to 'drag' and be perceived > as a mistake. Playing to much ahead of the beat, causes the music to 'rush' > creating yet another kind of mistake. > > There is, therefore, certain amount of perceptual leeway that we consider > musical even though it is quantized/metronomic-ally inaccurate > > Looping provides us with a truly stellar way to start learning how to listen > and to 'hear' what is really being played, even if it is slightly inaccurate, viz. a vis > a quantized metronomic approach. > > If you make a loop that is lumpy (say the downbeat of the bar is really awkwardly > played too late) it is a really good thing to listen deeply to your mistake and > then to learn how to play to it as if it WASN'T a mistake. > > I showed this example at a PASIC clinic on live looping once, where I purposefully > recorded a loop that had awful downbeat timing......enough to make a famous > studio drummer groan causing everyone to laugh. By overdubbing a few times and putting long envelope sounds over the 'mistake', however, suddenly this horrible loop sounded musical again. > > In this case, the listeners were able to have a reasonable suspension of disbelief > in hearing the 'new' loop that I had created. They bought the piece as musical > but only because I had 'learned' the mistake and made a conscious effort to obscure > it. > > Many kinds of regional rhythmic feels from around the world, are merely > slight deviations from what people would call 'quantized' metronomic time and, on some > levels, also allow us to have a reasonable suspension of disbelief. > > What this means is that it is possible by being able to stretch one's playing....allowing us to > play to what is actually a 'mistake' in our loop and do it in a way that is musical. > > Here's a fun exercise to begin preparing to 'fix' inaccurate loops whilst playing live: > > 1) create a single bar loop and purposefully slow down slight as you truncate your loop > on the downbeat. Keep the loop running and sit down and really listen to it. > > Now see if you can play another rhythmic part that purposefully aligns with the 'mistake' you've > created. > > 2) Do this several times (wonderful if your looper has an undo feature---make an overdub > that 'fit's musically with your lumpy loop and then undo it and try again). > > Now see if you can freely solo over this new feel you have created. > > 3) Do the same exercise and see if you can speed up as you truncate your loop inaccurately. > > 4) repeat step 2. > > > As you play these exercise get more outrageous with how lumpy your loop is. Even if this sounds > highly un-musical (even comedic) keep pushing the boundaries of playing behind or ahead of the > downbeat as you make your purposefully inaccurate loop. > > If you do this enough times, then suddenly, try making a normal loop. > You'll find that your accuracy is much greater for having practiced these exercises. > > Be fearless! Really learn how to listen to the inaccuracies in your loops. If you can really > discern how they vary from the ideal of a quantized/metronomic time, you will > gain some mad skills at being able to play with anyone or any loop. > > Just for fun, listen to the amazing German drummer Marco Minnemann as he plays to random > cartoon dialogue that is looped. He is playing to what is happening rhythmically. > I doesn't necessarily fit to any grid but you can impose a grid over the examples and come up with something that is musical. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHft4OR7Rus > > Rick Walker > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 20:50:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FFB1183465; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 20:50:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ebmvdULZu96uL266HR9MPlemnQnk1l6EZm+JVnq/7aA=; b=z/cK+H01ixOBgZYKnIetS1Rr9xktSw+NkVBtADnMpS9HR5AjmzlCXmVVHeVwgnRrhi 7cv4UEbdiWoOukOHRXLIEvNj15v6v9rpJBheuxIBtRreCr6envJUzPLBgVhU0mNlO6Rd gQfVgtnb2tSos5GfiMgAyU/gZQpD+eNR7tXiINqR5Z/jy+UNnd7vj+rdbWBzfUULzH4j 5yjzNr/yqWJpxmwAEyQYgUlfYdAhmZ0MdRvHit1HclxQYf5UOixJURwbgCNxuEB+MwQy MNhle3BXbl30WndouxPrm+LMmjiUc8dG3DL0347L2mIkkkH4vAr/bJcOjZqIfjWRO1wj Mbvw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 22:50:32 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sharing album stream "Love 4 Glitch" on streamnets From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <0BMGdD.A.07B.aK2ePB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 20:50:34 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Cool, Per :) I like track 2! Thank, Ricky. That track is funny because it actually is a failure. I just couldn't get the guitar sound I wanted and as a "plan B way out solution" turned to that heavy 16th note tremolo on the two guitar tracks. I used an Epiphone Les Paul with Lace Alumitone humbuckers with extremely thick strings tuned down a fourth to research how it worked. Didn't work out as I had hoped, so now I keep that guitar with 0.10 strings at traditional pitch, which makes it "sing" and resonate better. You really need long strings and a long neck/scale to "go un-wimpy" at a low pitch. There also is a limit to how thick strings will still sound good at a given scale length. Too thick strings sound more "clunky" and we don't like that do we! The Stick I played the bass line with on that tune has a 36" scale and that sounds perfect. Some day I would love to pick up a guitar like the 8 stringed here: http://www.ranguitars.com/ran_models/crusher Listening to the Isis albums and adoring that texturizing tone. I mean, certain instruments have a voice that no matter what complex melodies or riffs you play on it the musical listening experience tends to go "textural". I want to explore that. Another, very different, example is Ron Jarzombek. He uses normal scale 7 str guitars I think but builds them himself. Anyway, when he plays those twelve tone based super fast runs it comes out very textural. Take a deep breath 'cauze they are ugly like hell: http://www.ronjarzombek.com/gtrs.html and here's how they sound: http://youtu.be/jpoL0QBKxHA Not to mention Robert Smith... Per "Longnecks Against Travel Guitars" ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 21:14:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52AAD183466; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 21:14:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=wkiMjAIA/hxF2O7MB6lQXjb5aTohBrOQyVb48NnPEKk=; b=H4OitUZfR+QpbGbu62u65k0wpeZgk4t+o5DMAnp7c1j7HnRwTP2HOZg3sknrGYnIoR CgrZ5n0XGgf7UtGd71Nrah1zymi2TJclhB2ln7ogcufzvT/JORL6fmnVnt6D66CYWbr1 eRP+B6q9YumohJpFIa1SpDWyGfiMb4jWc1D/xfx5KAfLjFrdyuPGFQwHgdJY1zmw4W0y leAypGSt76qEqqddwgMS60dtoWYg7oOH5GezRMQMdr12/7s/JyHwbHJxvL6rVUWV1Rjk lPwrfqI1g4YsLFpTADgf4YViEbKusGp9ZGf1e10/RMSDa3MJ5koGokQfBXw4ZBBPzMEh b0VQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 23:14:18 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Part 2, conclusion (Re: GR55 tip for USB digital line-in on Mac without sacrificing fidelity) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 21:14:19 +0000 (UTC) I'd like to report in that the latency is quite horrendous with this Aggregate Device fix for GR55 + other audio interface. Just as Charles Zwicky pointed out. I did not notice that when first plugging in and dreaming away with cascades of wishy-washy non attacking pad sounds. But as I got to the lead sounds it got quite bad, latency-wise. Oh well... another experience richer for the future. Back to plugging two analog guitar cables from the GR55 into the RME :-) I still have my old noise gates on the input at the receiving end to keep the Roland hiss out from the silence between notes. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 4 00:20:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5145A183465; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 00:20:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=hZbd9yXov5bShWvJwGYOEbbWI5NjHhShSzWgr/XNvcs=; b=WgTmPp6p9qzO+b5hJ8Ku4mkJVgDtkKlu9ADPom+kolvKFUdALyay3EpzlgaI2jgHkK ITOVWjk99JxRAgfd9hkFprnNZGdX8Mju55ZXrKth9wg3lWE10Tr2ExSxZMuhRvtCGCBo qI8k6BO/PG8lpXBFeGuQcna5fYTtiR04Mwx7himTAC2DddCgGARLM20nXTONTi/kHr3B FQqwjc4bdfiCzaAAZcU5LUln2ZijW+E+4HIoHIQzTCFU+ncG1Jb6sdIitamfleUYvy4W ieaH/sZpT1hFQHsPHQL0oazYN/aNUrdE7dSlL1NqYW/A/Th42cyonu3lrBMyghId8Sc7 08Pw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 20:20:21 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Describing Your Music From: Jason Fistner To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6dd98d19606bd04bccf63bb Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 00:20:23 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6dd98d19606bd04bccf63bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hey all Forgive me if this has been discussed before. I did try searching but it's either broken or I was doing it wrong. Whenever someone finds out I make music the first question is, "What kind of music do you play?". To which I usually respond with something like, "Uhhh... I don't really know. Looping, instrumental stuff?" This doesn't go over well. It doesn't sit well with me either. Any one else face this problem? Do you use "looping" when describing your music? I improvise a lot and it can get pretty weird but usually it's something like this http://soundcloud.com/jasonfistner/4-feb if you're curious. Thanks. --0016e6dd98d19606bd04bccf63bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey all

Forgive me if this has been discussed= before. I did try searching but it's either broken or I was doing it w= rong.

Whenever someone finds out I make music the first= question is, "What kind of music do you play?".
To which I usually respond with something like, "Uhhh... I don't r= eally know. Looping, instrumental stuff?"
This doesn't g= o over well. It doesn't sit well with me either.=C2=A0
Any one = else face this problem?=C2=A0
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if you're curious.

Thanks.

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--0016e6dd98d19606bd04bccf63bb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 4 00:28:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5D75183475; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 00:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=tAjuq4umTEDMKmroWS+giLP++NqGk5S6yWtMDlKBtoU=; b=WAOqIpsqWQa93hoamCTlmeQDVK5VGozU4FhDSUtEnq37NtQYyKkhz02/naKOuoQIhM UsIR1OaK6OXPoMl1ad9OVytNAbDSyVaPkDi0XyEe3X4oH3J60Oojs0gm5ZaBEoc6xbQ2 zmLN27uFPPcEf8ryG7e1YvhFoyLodoyD5p0+fcVU3L9vQda4XBbn2U8H3gQZK7W2jBSF u7MUPU0NZiZktnV2S+aunZpXd6hNUVCvRNR6kfhPVwndgTQQEHnOn683nfZ5OhYMfD2T vCuCBc/j+HOB5kWxOOytwr02QDGCRO/yOm0pA226r3oPjxt/gslHbljUEs8SmoJkrtPS mvIQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 20:27:59 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Describing Your Music From: Bennett Williams To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f2357ebe3620404bccf7eac Resent-Message-ID: <4WxDzB.A.sRE.QW5ePB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 00:28:00 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f2357ebe3620404bccf7eac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I usually just say "Experimental Jazz Weirdness" followed by "come to the show. It's cool." On Apr 3, 2012 8:20 PM, "Jason Fistner" wrote: > Hey all > > Forgive me if this has been discussed before. I did try searching but it's > either broken or I was doing it wrong. > > Whenever someone finds out I make music the first question is, "What kind > of music do you play?". > To which I usually respond with something like, "Uhhh... I don't really > know. Looping, instrumental stuff?" > This doesn't go over well. It doesn't sit well with me either. > Any one else face this problem? > Do you use "looping" when describing your music? > > I improvise a lot and it can get pretty weird but usually it's something > like this > http://soundcloud.com/jasonfistner/4-feb > if you're curious. > > Thanks. > > --e89a8f2357ebe3620404bccf7eac Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I usually just say "Experimental Jazz Weirdness" followed by &= quot;come to the show. It's cool."

On Apr 3, 2012 8:20 PM, "Jason Fistner"= ; <jason.fistner@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey all

Forgive me if this has been discussed= before. I did try searching but it's either broken or I was doing it w= rong.

Whenever someone finds out I make music the first= question is, "What kind of music do you play?".
To which I usually respond with something like, "Uhhh... I don't r= eally know. Looping, instrumental stuff?"
--e89a8f2357ebe3620404bccf7eac-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 4 00:39:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92DD0183466; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 00:39:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=rvNqJbVGdbt4egs52VbhtoJZG7AoPDG9H2iogr/sNfs= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=myP459r3AAAA:8 a=FYeW5pceMmEClK1uTegA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Describing Your Music From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 17:39:05 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <44FBB565-516D-4163-91AB-0ED692D80AE0@charter.net> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 00:39:07 +0000 (UTC) I ask them if they are familiar with the term "Easy Listening." And then I tell them that what I play is as far away from that as they = can probably imagine. :-) On Apr 3, 2012, at 5:20 PM, Jason Fistner wrote: > Hey all >=20 > Forgive me if this has been discussed before. I did try searching but = it's either broken or I was doing it wrong. >=20 > Whenever someone finds out I make music the first question is, "What = kind of music do you play?". > To which I usually respond with something like, "Uhhh... I don't = really know. Looping, instrumental stuff?" > This doesn't go over well. It doesn't sit well with me either.=20 > Any one else face this problem?=20 > Do you use "looping" when describing your music? >=20 > I improvise a lot and it can get pretty weird but usually it's = something like this > http://soundcloud.com/jasonfistner/4-feb=20 > if you're curious. >=20 > Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 4 00:43:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BC93183466; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 00:43:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <15FD11D98D55441889B2E5406250F752@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Describing Your Music Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 01:43:14 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01CD1204.4D191130" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 00:43:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CD1204.4D191130 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Er, =E2=80=9CSome folks might call it ambient, but it=E2=80=99s a bit = more than that.=E2=80=9D From: Jason Fistner=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 1:20 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Describing Your Music Hey all Forgive me if this has been discussed before. I did try searching but = it's either broken or I was doing it wrong. Whenever someone finds out I make music the first question is, "What = kind of music do you play?".=20 To which I usually respond with something like, "Uhhh... I don't really = know. Looping, instrumental stuff?" This doesn't go over well. It doesn't sit well with me either.=20 Any one else face this problem?=20 Do you use "looping" when describing your music? I improvise a lot and it can get pretty weird but usually it's something = like this http://soundcloud.com/jasonfistner/4-feb=20 if you're curious. Thanks. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CD1204.4D191130 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Er, =E2=80=9CSome folks might call it ambient, but it=E2=80=99s a = bit more than=20 that.=E2=80=9D
 
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 1:20 AM
Subject: Describing Your Music
 
Hey all
 
Forgive me if this has been discussed before. I did try searching = but it's=20 either broken or I was doing it wrong.
 
Whenever someone finds out I make music the first = question is,=20 "What kind of music do you play?".=20
To which I usually respond with something like, "Uhhh... I don't = really=20 know. Looping, instrumental stuff?"
This doesn't go over well. It doesn't sit well with me either.
Any one else face this problem?
Do you use "looping" when describing your music?
 
I improvise a lot and it can get pretty weird but usually it's = something=20 like this
 http://soundcloud.com/j= asonfistner/4-feb 
if you're curious.
 
Thanks.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CD1204.4D191130-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 4 01:32:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85A4F18345E; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 01:32:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F7BA4BF.7070003@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 18:32:47 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andy butler CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: loops with a drummer? References: <4F7B5BB8.2030700@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4F7B5BB8.2030700@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010203080909010200070508" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 01:32:57 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010203080909010200070508 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 4/3/12 1:21 PM, andy butler wrote: > I love playing drums to loops that drift out of sync. > > andy Yeah, there's that joy too! --------------010203080909010200070508 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 4/3/12 1:21 PM, andy butler wrote:
I love playing drums to loops that drift out of sync.

andy
Yeah, there's that joy too!

 --------------010203080909010200070508-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 4 01:36:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92C3A183466; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 01:36:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F7BA582.3080803@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 18:36:02 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Teddy Kumpel CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: loops with a drummer? References: <9286BC99-530D-45FB-89EC-329E6867D8B3@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <9286BC99-530D-45FB-89EC-329E6867D8B3@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 01:36:48 +0000 (UTC) On 4/3/12 1:24 PM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > The purpose of my post was to ask everyone if they knew a better technical way to feed a click to the drummer. I've been using the RC-50 for a while now and it's been fun, but I want more possibilities from the looper side of things. Is there a piece of gear that is not an RC-50 or a laptop that will do this (I already know how to do it with either of those things). Maybe the LP-1? As long as you have a midi looper, you can always syncrhonize a drum machine with whatever sound you want as a click (I prefer a lo agogo on the quarter note and a high agogo, much quieter on whatever the subdivision of the 'Sub-Pulse" is (8ths, triplet 8ths, 16ths, triplet 16ths) then send only the mono out to the drummer making sure that they can set their own headphone or monitor levels. In fact, I would only have them wear headphones as the audience will hear the metronome sound otherwise. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 4 01:58:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94EA7183474; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 01:58:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=G/XMIvvPT4laDr1jmLCeJnct3RyOTmqbbEPcMsLfhF8=; b=I7rkXxlAKqbw9G6mYWG65+Veh1yjA3S/Cb1Y7XHLotlhSVeZmD837pRu07ZD/jf3oX d47XeSaDR5+A6EnR/9d44LUGUNHFvMaBxgBBsr2px+hiAqEzKInWgJa4cvnNRfXPjMNW A/5GGktORVKrx/0PeC8ru0v44O4cF9KevhdpUX4sNaSC6TH8KhykZGJoES4He4XPxLC5 WsqPuhyR/WHxXYUkaftSBS3Xrw3oQ4bORc/4NxHsqerquAO3wQ2fjB1556UU9v2BQiou kTGaTqMxh1f4JSl20SeTw2mCr0Q8ssIB+Nd/veT1pI+sPGX1P6pLNr/0Guads507HCT6 0v8g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F7BA582.3080803@cruzio.com> References: <9286BC99-530D-45FB-89EC-329E6867D8B3@mac.com> <4F7BA582.3080803@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 21:58:42 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: loops with a drummer? From: Bennett Williams To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae934128156cb4f04bcd0c3b1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 01:58:44 +0000 (UTC) --14dae934128156cb4f04bcd0c3b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I second the MIDI click thing as the backbone of the loop. You have to remember that there can only be one reference point for time in any given musical situation, and if there is a drummer involved, the drums are the reference point for the band. The question is if the drummer is playing to a click or not. If there is any kind of sequencing or looping going on, it MUST be synced to a master click that the drummer listens to, because it is the one reference point for time. This click however, must only be heard by the drummer, and not the band... because..... there can only be one reference point for time, and the band plays with the drummer. If the band hears the click, then there will be the two reference points of the drummer and the click, and the moment the drummer gets ever so slightly off-beat, a train wreck will happen right then and there. Loops can be more audibly forgiving than a click, so even in cases where the drummer gets a little behind or in front of the beat, the loop will still sound okay, and the band grooves on. Think of Keith Moon playing Baba O'Riley or Who Are You with the ARP Synth going on in the song. Moon gets off-time a little bit, but the songs still kicks ass. In more regimented situations where absolute precision is required, still the click is the master time, and only the drummer should hear it to give the musical impression that the loop and drummer are all in sync. The loop and the drummer both "listen" to the click. On Apr 3, 2012 9:36 PM, "Rick Walker" wrote: > On 4/3/12 1:24 PM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > >> The purpose of my post was to ask everyone if they knew a better >> technical way to feed a click to the drummer. I've been using the RC-50 for >> a while now and it's been fun, but I want more possibilities from the >> looper side of things. Is there a piece of gear that is not an RC-50 or a >> laptop that will do this (I already know how to do it with either of those >> things). Maybe the LP-1? >> > As long as you have a midi looper, you can always syncrhonize a drum > machine with > whatever sound you want as a click (I prefer a lo agogo on the quarter > note and > a high agogo, much quieter on whatever the subdivision of the 'Sub-Pulse" > is > (8ths, triplet 8ths, 16ths, triplet 16ths) > > then send only the mono out to the drummer making sure that they can > set their own headphone or monitor levels. > > In fact, I would only have them wear headphones as the audience will hear > the > metronome sound otherwise. > > rick walker > > --14dae934128156cb4f04bcd0c3b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I second the MIDI click thing as the backbone of the loop. You have to r= emember that there can only be one reference point for time in any given mu= sical situation, and if there is a drummer involved, the drums are the refe= rence point for the band. The question is if the drummer is playing to a cl= ick or not. If there is any kind of sequencing or looping going on, it MUST= be synced to a master click that the drummer listens to, because it is the= one reference point for time. This click however, must only be heard by th= e drummer, and not the band... because..... there can only be one reference= point for time, and the band plays with the drummer. If the band hears the= click, then there will be the two reference points of the drummer and the = click, and the moment the drummer gets ever so slightly off-beat, a train w= reck will happen right then and there. Loops can be more audibly forgiving = than a click, so even in cases where the drummer gets a little behind or in= front of the beat, the loop will still sound okay, and the band grooves on= . Think of Keith Moon playing Baba O'Riley or Who Are You with the ARP = Synth going on in the song. Moon gets off-time a little bit, but the songs = still kicks ass. In more regimented situations where absolute precision is = required, still the click is the master time, and only the drummer should h= ear it to give the musical impression that the loop and drummer are all in = sync. The loop and the drummer both "listen" to the click.

On Apr 3, 2012 9:36 PM, "Rick Walker" = <looppool@cruzio.com> wrot= e:
On 4/3/12 1:24 PM, Teddy Kumpel wrote:
The purpose of my post was to ask everyone if they knew a better technical = way to feed a click to the drummer. I've been using the RC-50 for a whi= le now and it's been fun, but I want more possibilities from the looper= side of things. Is there a piece of gear that is not an RC-50 or a laptop = that will do this (I already know how to do it with either of those things)= . Maybe the LP-1?
As long as you have a midi looper, =A0you can always syncrhonize a drum mac= hine with
whatever sound you want as a click =A0(I prefer a lo agogo on the quarter n= ote and
a high agogo, much quieter on whatever the subdivision of the 'Sub-Puls= e" is
(8ths, triplet 8ths, 16ths, triplet 16ths)

then send only the mono out to the drummer making sure that they can
set their own headphone or monitor levels.

In fact, I would only have them wear headphones as the audience will hear t= he
metronome sound otherwise.

rick walker

--14dae934128156cb4f04bcd0c3b1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 4 02:27:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAD9F183466; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 02:27:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7498,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-03_07:2012-04-04,2012-04-03,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1204030343 Subject: Re: loops with a drummer? From: Teddy Kumpel In-reply-to: <4F7BA582.3080803@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 22:26:52 -0400 Message-id: <5AFAC70C-B61A-426F-8ADE-DF6BFFF2C139@mac.com> References: <9286BC99-530D-45FB-89EC-329E6867D8B3@mac.com> <4F7BA582.3080803@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 02:27:21 +0000 (UTC) On Apr 3, 2012, at 9:36 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 4/3/12 1:24 PM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: >> The purpose of my post was to ask everyone if they knew a better technical way to feed a click to the drummer. I've been using the RC-50 for a while now and it's been fun, but I want more possibilities from the looper side of things. Is there a piece of gear that is not an RC-50 or a laptop that will do this (I already know how to do it with either of those things). Maybe the LP-1? > As long as you have a midi looper, you can always syncrhonize a drum machine with > whatever sound you want as a click (I prefer a lo agogo on the quarter note and > a high agogo, much quieter on whatever the subdivision of the 'Sub-Pulse" is > (8ths, triplet 8ths, 16ths, triplet 16ths) > > then send only the mono out to the drummer making sure that they can > set their own headphone or monitor levels. > > In fact, I would only have them wear headphones as the audience will hear the > metronome sound otherwise. > > rick walker thanks Rick... unfortunately the RC50's midi clock is not stable to drive anything... I tried with a Boss DB90 metronome and it shuts off after 2 bars. So, the only way I've been able to do it it with the RC-50's stupid guide track... we use in ears, no one even can see that we have click in our ears.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 4 02:34:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EAD7183473; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 02:34:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Pln73UcBvlI5Y8RTkvCx/A)" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7498,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-03_07:2012-04-04,2012-04-03,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1204030345 From: Teddy Kumpel Subject: Re: loops with a drummer? Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 22:34:09 -0400 In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <9286BC99-530D-45FB-89EC-329E6867D8B3@mac.com> <4F7BA582.3080803@cruzio.com> Message-id: <1673F92E-9EEE-48E1-B02D-66A4033A7C55@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <61yA9B.A.B1F.mM7ePB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 02:34:14 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_Pln73UcBvlI5Y8RTkvCx/A) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On Apr 3, 2012, at 9:58 PM, Bennett Williams wrote: > the moment the drummer gets ever so slightly off-beat, a train wreck will happen right then and there. thanks for the note! That is exactly how I do it... the drummer and I hear the click, the bass player doesn't. Though, it wouldn't be a big deal if the bass player did hear it, since, fortunately, I only work with drummers who know how to play with a click perfectly... and by that I mean, they make sound like there is no click even though there is. Teddy --Boundary_(ID_Pln73UcBvlI5Y8RTkvCx/A) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
the moment = the drummer gets ever so slightly off-beat, a train wreck will happen = right then and there. 

thanks for = the note! That is exactly how I do it... the drummer and I hear the = click, the bass player doesn't. Though, it wouldn't be a big deal if the = bass player did hear it, since, fortunately, I only work with = drummers who know how to play with a click perfectly... and by that I = mean, they make sound like there is no click even though there = is.

Teddy
= --Boundary_(ID_Pln73UcBvlI5Y8RTkvCx/A)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 4 03:09:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B557A183473; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 03:09:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 900849.10879.bm@omp1041.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1333508950; bh=nWy7nYAF5L8tNhpSy+T8qEZ7lIliGh4N8jtqrxhdkbg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=E2QyqPEs6Gl/yXJhKwVKF2cbFkEe0DnTGCQQv3PH5pc33bCQvWnT9JgYSUls6VlEZf5YKRcPuKzTN1oaR0Iy3FBhB5nsA1yvqNvvHF5VjlX6F/xrOzDWGx8hyEwueMoi5IRlGH4Iu5m1IBwD5IvvseC/gSERlrhd6Q2mZg4qF6M= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=zPT5Edg1UTMgNFdFFw8/MjOLsll0/DHG8RXNHmCbabS/F9LvSbanlMOyiJlHzT5kyWPJT9E8waotA8cr+ksXNaKfO6wQvYradlit+PRt2c15rDCKM1YpNImLXahJ2yvF4lZA6NAbie2UFXVdR6SCC2LSlzQm2zUhSm3dKZUHI8I=; X-YMail-OSG: 62eHNnMVM1nrsdp72s4AvVMDEw0BkEau8K1oVgq0lUFRcnR suiCtecCzPoM2.2G2UwlUpKiLFl3N9fXLu3X2rA2UAKkKcb2vvl8QdtJXdyD CGasfisEXqmzbsTrWSNUPhc4ctsbCEEAuBYPB6nhvJqlw8PHwjfxrB2ILmDO Ohfd91UIf33jHqf6aV45twt1rMYzAlf33_I7.TZdCa9owEoosUftG88pt8YF 0PJqcAhTGVyPOsNPUAJAkSzfyFd7Aw7viYa_aGHfOr8VJTojibUXZMd.z5ZM x5weXkyMo6QbnyFl6wJY7kZPmrIkyVrCzH_3d4NcnR06CKNfnnk6FImx_m5X ZD9hcNSo7Xh1m9ADYlxF3q0axANbsOrxmMTeX0RAOZwkAr7ZPnZPGqeZ2p19 BkngpkN8yHi3pYMdOOYh3R9LgSiwm_d7yn1JgdO0c25bt1xmNNJNXU86QSDG jWYjiFBc5hUTChGfOHw9AnuYVJIK_Vj.ET_Z6dXkY6.t44XX1A5CjM0HXnuW rXvLlGaaeDWOuYMH0sfy73.1mKPI9NueV.uA4qCYYeQU9li6FhkbZdwxqWOS Zyk30sNFiHXumFxuR0aPaj3LsQ0.AyOvb.rIDPK0U59jPwQLQEjlTyA0BH5n 2ESGHLPzb.FhJIxig8HUJPjyviA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 Message-ID: <1333508950.40352.YahooMailNeo@web161306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 20:09:10 -0700 (PDT) From: david kirkdorffer Reply-To: david kirkdorffer Subject: Edward Yuhas + Paul Haslem To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1600601909-25829719-1333508950=:40352" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 03:09:11 +0000 (UTC) ---1600601909-25829719-1333508950=:40352 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi - =0A=C2=A0=0ATwo tracks from the Loopers-Delight Compilation CD IV were= played on this Cambridge, MA radio show.=C2=A0 =0A=C2=A0=0ACongrats!!=0A= =C2=A0=0AEdward Yuhas/Loopers Delight Compilation Vol IV/LD/Moonrise, Earth= Setting=C5=A0=0APaul Haslem/Loopers Delight Compilation Vol IV/LD/French R= iver Flight=0A=0A=C2=A0=0AFull details below...=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0= =0A=C2=A0=0AHere is the playlist for Show #386, the 4/3/12 edition of The N= ew Edge, a two hour radio program airing:=0ATue 2-4pm on WMBR http://www.wm= br.org & 88.1FM in Cambridge/Boston, MA, and=0AFri 1-3am, Fri 2-4pm, Sun 6-= 8pm, Tue 2-4am, & Wed 8-10am on http://taintradio.org=0A=0AThe New Edge is = devoted to creative and innovative instrumental music.=0A=0AComplete playli= sts are available at http://wmbr.org/newedge=0A=0ALet me know if you'd pref= er to be removed from this email list.=0A=0AARTIST/CD/LABEL/TRACK=0ACompagn= ie Christian Vieussens/Noche en Vela/CIRMA/Arc 96=0AGianluigi Trovesi, Gian= ni Coscia/In Cerca Di Cibo/ECM/In Cerca Di Cibo=0AGianluigi Trovesi, Gianni= Coscia/In Cerca Di Cibo/ECM/Geppetto=0AGianluigi Trovesi, Gianni Coscia/In= Cerca Di Cibo/ECM/Django=0AA Far Cry, Vieaux, Labro/Piazzolla/Azica/Concer= to For Guitar & Bandoneon 1. Introduction=0AA Far Cry, Vieaux, Labro/Piazzo= lla/Azica/Concerto For Guitar & Bandoneon 2. Milonga=0AEthel/Heavy/Innova/R= ounds (Zarvos)=0AWilliam Zuckerman/Music In Pluralism/Zuckerman/Act of Cont= rition=0AWilliam Zuckerman/Music In Pluralism/Zuckerman/By The Way=0ADo. Gm= a Chamber Orchestra/American Stringbook/Berthold Records/Diamond: Rounds - = 2. Adagio=0ACordis/Here On Out/Cordis/Here On Out=0A(Brian O'Neil (Cordis) = interview) - - . .=0ACordis/Here On Out/Cordis/Fifteen Minutes = In Four Parts Pt. I=0ADino Saluzzi/Kultrum/ECM/El Apriete=0AFelice Clemente= , Javier P=C3=A9rez Forte/Escaleras/Crocevia di Suoni/O Que Sera=0AManciet = & Vieussens/Esquic seguit d'Aurost/Cirma/Esquic 11=0AEdward Yuhas/Loopers D= elight Compilation Vol IV/LD/Moonrise, Earth Setting=C5=A0=0APaul Haslem/Lo= opers Delight Compilation Vol IV/LD/French River Flight=0AMercury Falls/Qua= drangle/PFR/Lullaby for Beane=0A--=0A------=0AKen Field http://kenfield.org= =0AThe New Edge=0AWMBR 88.1FM=0A3 Ames St=0ACambridge MA 02142 USA=0A=0ATu= esday afternoon 2-4pm Eastern Time=0A617-253-8810=0Ahttp://www.wmbr.org=0Ah= ttp://wmbr.org/newedge=0Anewedge@wmbr.org=0A--=0A------=0AKen Field * ke= n@kenfield.org * http://kenfield.org=0A ---1600601909-25829719-1333508950=:40352 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi -
 
Two tracks from the Loopers-Delight Compilation CD IV were played on = this Cambridge, MA radio show. 
 
Congrats!!=
 
Edward Yuhas/Loopers Delight Compilation Vol IV= /LD/Moonrise, Earth Setting=C5=A0
Paul Haslem/Loopers Delight Compilatio= n Vol IV/LD/French River Flight
 
Full details= below...
 
 
 
&nbs= p;
Here is the playlist for Show #386, the 4/3/12 edition of The = New Edge, a two hour radio program airing:
Tue 2-4pm on WMBR http:/= /www.wmbr.org & 88.1FM in Cambridge/Boston, MA, and
Fri 1= -3am, Fri 2-4pm, Sun 6-8pm, Tue 2-4am, & Wed 8-10am on http://taintradio.org

The New Edge is devoted to cre= ative and innovative instrumental music.

Complete playlists are available = at http://wmbr.org/newedge

Let me know if you'd p= refer to be removed from this email list.

ARTIST/CD/LABEL/TRACK
C= ompagnie Christian Vieussens/Noche en Vela/CIRMA/Arc 96
Gianluigi Troves= i, Gianni Coscia/In Cerca Di Cibo/ECM/In Cerca Di Cibo
Gianluigi Trovesi= , Gianni Coscia/In Cerca Di Cibo/ECM/Geppetto
Gianluigi Trovesi, Gianni = Coscia/In Cerca Di Cibo/ECM/Django
A Far Cry, Vieaux, Labro/Piazzolla/Az= ica/Concerto For Guitar & Bandoneon 1. Introduction
A Far Cry, Vieau= x, Labro/Piazzolla/Azica/Concerto For Guitar & Bandoneon 2. Milonga
Ethel/Heavy/Innova/Rounds (Zarvos)
William Zuckerman/Music I= n Pluralism/Zuckerman/Act of Contrition
William Zuckerman/Music In Plura= lism/Zuckerman/By The Way
Do. Gma Chamber Orchestra/American Stringbook/= Berthold Records/Diamond: Rounds - 2. Adagio
Cordis/Here On Out/Cordis/H= ere On Out
(Brian O'Neil (Cordis) interview) - - . .
Cord= is/Here On Out/Cordis/Fifteen Minutes In Four Parts Pt. I
Dino Saluzzi/K= ultrum/ECM/El Apriete
Felice Clemente, Javier P=C3=A9rez Forte/Escaleras= /Crocevia di Suoni/O Que Sera
Manciet & Vieussens/Esquic seguit d'Au= rost/Cirma/Esquic 11
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<= /body> ---1600601909-25829719-1333508950=:40352-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 4 04:14:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 067DA183465; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 04:14:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3607 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 04 Apr 2012 04:14:54 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: In-reply-to: <20120401144936.f0415871a78ffa3385e0d74356defc00.85b5784cfe.wbe@email14.se cureserver.net> References: <20120401144936.f0415871a78ffa3385e0d74356defc00.85b5784cfe.wbe@email14.se cureserver.net> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 23:04:39 -0400 To: , DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Saturday 4/7, Timworld + Doctor T brings the psych at the Exploding Plastic Incredible II Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 04:14:55 +0000 (UTC) At 2:49 PM -0700 4/1/12, wrote: >Dig it space cats! > >EXPLODING >PLASTIC INCREDIBLE II: >Saturday, April 7, 2012. >7:00 p.m. > >a multimedia psychedelic experience! >featuring bellydancing by the sensuous Samarra > mind-bending projections by Dr T > spaced out tunes by Astro Al (Pink Floyd does the soundtrack to an >Ed Wood movie) www.astroal.com > 60's goat rock jam band Tim Mungenast & His Preexisting Conditions >(Space goat rocks the >house) http://www.reverbnation.com/timmungenast > the shiny psych of Joe Turner and the Seven Levels > http://www.facebook.com/joeturnersevenlevels > >Set order: >astro al >samarra >tim mungenast & his preexisting conditions >samarra >joe turner > >The Center for Arts at the Armory >191 Highland Avenue, Somerville, Mass. 617.718.2191, >http://artsatthearmory.org >Tickets are $10 >http://artsatthearmory.org/ -- My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com "My destination is always the same, but I work out a different route to get there" -- Henri Matisse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 4 10:44:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14C10183473; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 10:44:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F7C260A.5040205@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 03:44:26 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bennett Williams CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: loops with a drummer? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 10:44:43 +0000 (UTC) On 4/3/12 6:58 PM, Bennett Williams wrote: > I second the MIDI click thing as the backbone of the loop. You have to > remember that there can only be one reference point for time in any > given musical situation, and if there is a drummer involved, the drums > are the reference point for the band. The question is if the drummer > is playing to a click or not. If there is any kind of sequencing or > looping going on, it MUST be synced to a master click that the drummer > listens to, because it is the one reference point for time. This click > however, must only be heard by the drummer, and not the band... > because..... there can only be one reference point for time, and the > band plays with the drummer. If the band hears the click, then there > will be the two reference points of the drummer and the click, and the > moment the drummer gets ever so slightly off-beat, a train wreck will > happen right then and there. Loops can be more audibly forgiving than > a click, so even in cases where the drummer gets a little behind or in > front of the beat, the loop will still sound okay, and the band > grooves on. Think of Keith Moon playing Baba O'Riley or Who Are You > with the ARP Synth going on in the song. Moon gets off-time a little > bit, but the songs still kicks ass. In more regimented situations > where absolute precision is required, still the click is the master > time, and only the drummer should hear it to give the musical > impression that the loop and drummer are all in sync. The loop and the > drummer both "listen" to the click. I hear and understand and even concur with what you say here, Bennett, but, as a drummer/percussionist and bandleader all of my life, I have to say that the truly great groups I've ever had the privilege of paying in (and they've been very, very few and far between) had one thing in common: every member of the band was a great 'drummer'. There is a perception in the musical world that is really pernicious when it comes to manifesting a truly awesome rhythm section and that is the 'buck stops' with the drummer, rhythmically. One of the coolest shows I ever saw was Herbie Hancock at the 'Secret's era of his more pop/funk material. One, by one, every member of the band came on stage (and there were 6 ore 7 musicians) and laid down a groove; one groove building on top of the other. By the time Herbie came onstage (in a pretentious cape, I might add), the groove had built over about 5 minutes to a fever pitch. It all started when Wah Wah Watson walked on stage; sat down by himself in a chair with a huge L-5 Gibson hollow body electric guitar and laid down the funkiest fucking guitar line I'd ever heard. In 30 seconds, the entire auditorium was on their feet dancing (they'd all been sitting down when he took the stage). It only got better and better as each member came on stage and did their bit on top of the groove already laid down. So, what I'm saying is, that if a group is really, really accomplished rhythmically, then they can all have a click track in their ear phones and they'll still be able to play as one. I've experienced it and there was no conflict. Everyone has to take responsibility for the rhythm if you are going to groove deeply. Just sayin! with respect if you don't agree, Rick PS I also saw King Sunny Ade do a very similar approach to playing a layered intro, although he had 20 people in his band. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 4 12:07:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B19F7183464; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 12:07:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=tEfk8Tp5JsHT5/GA/vymDSMp2VZ2eCGkDevAYCmXgts=; b=hszMPUssXEshzMYUAO2v3RS2tms+ViuKbhjAqKVzyXh8Mp1qlKJnEUob4VyBQw9uNb NcQSVIu7IsWEG3GT4UJlU7gubRM7HKrKr+FUPb9eSSR3qJob+Rk7vPGgxbWFmc8IouSj 8s1h2UMLZcve6LSlWcTk0t358HK81z/7AsD5QAqDEdcNIIBpjVbnPoRUZN3h7vU8bQco JHMTIso8CQHzXAEKodhk+1ziwgg4ukmXj1Og7utervMrRYhAm4MfjWiBU59679Vdg75J YYHoz0REnrmZSVdroC03YUK8eYJj2Yf0horI/cmJfl1+n2sWhCgJ52/EJXriVfrI+8nR OL0g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4F7C260A.5040205@cruzio.com> References: <4F7C260A.5040205@cruzio.com> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 14:06:46 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: M76h9ybt9ZuWjV8EFj0w_i1veNI Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Re: loops with a drummer? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04083f4b26f0e604bcd943d8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 12:07:08 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04083f4b26f0e604bcd943d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ill just add my 2 pennys here. I had 10 years with a band where we almost always had a backing tape with various elements, and we needed a way to play to them. I also discussed this with many, many bands (often because they couldn't "get it" how we could play to a backing track and all be in synch.) We tried click tracks in the monitors and personal mixing methods, but it ONLY came together when we used a stereo tape, the left side was a Musically nice percussion element, often a drum-machine version of the drummers high-hat pattern and the right hand side contained the musical (or loop) element. (obviously NOT mixed left and right in the FOH) On stage the perc side was louder, specificaly to the drummer, (the musical side was often really deep cellos or industrial loops that would fully distort most crappy club monitors, and needed them for vocals. But out front the perc side was totally muted... If however the punters at the front should hear it, it blended in quite nicely. Im sure that a drummer with REALLY GREAT in ear monitors could do well, but its dangerous, the tinny plink of a typical metronome sound would KILL a drummers hearing after a few shows, and the volume and MUSH of most venues stage sound, would cause it to become annoying and irrelevant. If you design the "click" so it fits with the music and play it, then you find tat you naturally play WITH it, rather than TO IT. Trying to PLAY TO an annoying Plink plonk plonk plonk plink plonk plonk plonk is un-natural and just causes drift IMHO... playing to a musical and rhythmic percussion part is the way to go... (now listen to Cranes and see how many songs start with drums.. ha ha!! Yep.. most of them !!!) Mark -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d04083f4b26f0e604bcd943d8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ill just add my 2 pennys here.

I had 10 years with a band where we a= lmost always had a backing tape with various elements, and we needed a way = to play to them. I also discussed this with many, many bands (often because= they couldn't "get it" how we could play to a backing track = and all be in synch.)

We tried click tracks in the monitors and personal mixing methods, but = it ONLY came together when we used a stereo tape, the left side was a Music= ally nice percussion element, often a drum-machine version of the drummers = high-hat pattern and the right hand side contained the musical (or loop) el= ement. (obviously NOT mixed left and right in the FOH)

On stage the perc side was louder, specificaly to the drummer, (the mus= ical side was often really deep cellos or industrial loops that would fully= distort most crappy club monitors, and needed them for vocals. But out fro= nt the perc side was totally muted... If however the punters at the front s= hould hear it, it blended in quite nicely.

Im sure that a drummer with REALLY GREAT in ear monitors could do well,= but its dangerous, the tinny plink of a typical metronome sound would KILL= a drummers hearing after a few shows, and the volume and MUSH of most venu= es stage sound, would cause it to become annoying and irrelevant.

If you design the "click" so it fits with the music and play = it, then you find tat you naturally play WITH it, rather than TO IT. Trying= to PLAY TO an annoying Plink plonk plonk plonk plink plonk plonk plonk is = un-natural and just causes drift IMHO... playing to a musical and rhythmic = percussion part is the way to go...

(now listen to Cranes and see how many songs start with drums.. ha ha!!= Yep.. most of them !!!)

Mark

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--f46d04083f4b26f0e604bcd943d8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 4 12:47:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57C65183465; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 12:47:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=UNzfz6vjiXGWTYeKEgH6pmI4Mmj0Iwl1LwSoSdneEe0=; b=uRAEl3V6dB9t2CrE6jHpBU/YQYTGKPUy3ovft4X3YzpF0sIN2Y05c9xDVqAa4nJXZn jbzgdIRyAqhHXwq2+Blq2lRwsvDOqBSFxXjqcmSDAbVd+g78TQJHvoBg3ntcZhDEFe+I W+5UWBqw9+d2ctuLhcMmNFwEspIMJSNCBuQaEYfQ8lMELalKZqvUKgybbRnVG1cWlW7h 6cgB/UVIjIJRAf6MQRYaMrfGxayW259ij97pVHEeYrRl4IOuJvp3t1tBGEtWOx/MpNTd Eol0uqkBdp33LWPwLih2fGI4NIooUIjX8IEQpXjLpUX2gAqqpJz+B821SNAzdVvk05hE SP9A== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F7C260A.5040205@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 14:47:37 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Re: loops with a drummer? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 12:47:38 +0000 (UTC) Ok, just another bunch of pennys to add: In the nineties I did some tours with a band that used backing tracks plus live playing. The small setting was a trio and we simply handed over a CD to the DJ and performed on the dance floor or stage with wireless mics and wireless guitar (me). The big setup of this project was more like a rock band with two guitars, two vocalists, a keyboard player and a drummer. One 8 channel ADAT tape machine was used for backing tracks and we delivered to the live engineer several separate stems like backing choir stereo feed, bass channel, percussion stuff, epic stereo synth pad beds, hard percussion stuff etc etc. The point of interest here is that one of the eight tracks had a click that only the drummer had in his headphones. This drummer is very good, top class professional session guy, and he first used -20 dB silicon in-ear protections and upon those the cans with very loud volume. He played perfectly well with that and the deal was that everyone else was to follow the drums. Worked out fine for that music. But of course there wasn't much space for improvisation or working up a collective groove feel ;-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 2:06 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Ill just add my 2 pennys here. > > I had 10 years with a band where we almost always had a backing tape with > various elements, and we needed a way to play to them. I also discussed this > with many, many bands (often because they couldn't "get it" how we could > play to a backing track and all be in synch.) > > We tried click tracks in the monitors and personal mixing methods, but it > ONLY came together when we used a stereo tape, the left side was a Musically > nice percussion element, often a drum-machine version of the drummers > high-hat pattern and the right hand side contained the musical (or loop) > element. (obviously NOT mixed left and right in the FOH) > > On stage the perc side was louder, specificaly to the drummer, (the musical > side was often really deep cellos or industrial loops that would fully > distort most crappy club monitors, and needed them for vocals. But out front > the perc side was totally muted... If however the punters at the front > should hear it, it blended in quite nicely. > > Im sure that a drummer with REALLY GREAT in ear monitors could do well, but > its dangerous, the tinny plink of a typical metronome sound would KILL a > drummers hearing after a few shows, and the volume and MUSH of most venues > stage sound, would cause it to become annoying and irrelevant. > > If you design the "click" so it fits with the music and play it, then you > find tat you naturally play WITH it, rather than TO IT. Trying to PLAY TO an > annoying Plink plonk plonk plonk plink plonk plonk plonk is un-natural and > just causes drift IMHO... playing to a musical and rhythmic percussion part > is the way to go... > > (now listen to Cranes and see how many songs start with drums.. ha ha!! > Yep.. most of them !!!) > > Mark > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 4 12:59:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1C24183466; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 12:59:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 747440.4556.bm@omp1061.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1333544358; bh=xO3IP/5IVs7SsRA1JTRKCaqYIqbo9i3VwY0EQj/V/98=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mSYXyOy8N7FmvcwD5x7PRHtwOC9ew+fWViuWk4ueUksxO7PMmpzqlVjU3AhE6ySjUAEdOqMudW0Qku/vpjEjTbhRgeggCQn5t7QOG4KmhGTvsxRAjLWjadoNimn7+M+Go9+gdFEXbtYHV9M0MsBAkDrPinpSlKAAkXB0KLCmEns= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CfiCz0MfueldTISxeYsL6mHDuTfWbhEgY6bbOOSSaBolPeUw8azdhTOJ48v4OhntuCB1oQ8Q6bOwuwiYI9oObm656qUbNBaxPHEerYoc4MdAznYvlJUeEla/6L4OSFjzZs/8IXtTgR9zMSYZ964UsHXG0/20l9cZFKq59ivpjNE=; X-YMail-OSG: II.3s6kVM1m6BMB_byNaDRSJopIrldG4qwYaNmL.D8rrcoF HV6cpZ6jhKn2BVHBh8OUtmj8nW8w_63O_CakA5t9vBUXYHABE3pAOWLg871M 685yyDfDGC8f2nuBfTgs5LVQPrq71HuFlOVLWjJMWcHuR2BcJVaH5YgQZBaO iu.eQJSRXGBVaW3WQppw0cpLHU56N6wVzThjdId0ybgKcHuZzcgaecLucQvG 7F0CPfKYiku1EpKwxY3vx3pVNfeK4kZp1IrSLy3eYjpZ1IQxKWrCGGg0QY82 okAjp5O4n7iKQRffv5mV4qunVHXCB1kL9jh3xOs3ZoSIoY30BO656OKyalqp 4WdZMhMGMiy1r.C_hKQ1fyAIg1vDMp2BjpLRtfos6mvbR7JTcAJE4b3O2UBg jTMg2FzHbLNtNeMufoALWgo6gPrDwsZVoxdvfi5klcheydCLkJQSrgX411_P g6Yk8r2caIbQ83IOSi5KvFv0ej.T9UeH_WyNHXv8dwIsed7Tl_3K8mSt_Cbz ktws2_9HXQ0PgSs9gdQJmVvJj2El8CRQVYybACvzSxbm.26v_vmGGnR.XG4I nzdFc_dGjfg-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: Message-ID: <1333544358.50303.YahooMailNeo@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 05:59:18 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Describing Your Music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1662753009-1894756782-1333544358=:50303" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 12:59:19 +0000 (UTC) --1662753009-1894756782-1333544358=:50303 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I say, "techno/ambient pop". There are so many subgenres of these, it's har= d to nail it down. rig=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Jason Fistner =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Tuesda= y, April 3, 2012 5:20 PM=0ASubject: Describing Your Music=0A=0A=0AHey all= =0A=0AForgive me if this has been discussed before. I did try searching but= it's either broken or I was doing it wrong.=0AWhenever someone finds out I= make music the first question is, "What kind of music do you play?". =0ATo= which I usually respond with something like, "Uhhh... I don't really know.= Looping, instrumental stuff?"=0AThis doesn't go over well. It doesn't sit = well with me either.=A0=0A=0AAny one else face this problem?=A0=0ADo you us= e "looping" when describing your music?=0A=0AI improvise a lot and it can g= et pretty weird but usually it's something like this=0A=A0http://soundcloud= .com/jasonfistner/4-feb=A0=0Aif you're curious.=0A=0AThanks. --1662753009-1894756782-1333544358=:50303 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I say, "techno/ambient pop". There are so many subgenres of these= , it's hard to nail it down.=0D
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Hey all

F= orgive me if this has been discussed before. I did try searching but it'= ;s either broken or I was doing it wrong.

Whenever some= one finds out I make music the first question is, "What kind of music = do you play?".
=0ATo which I usually respond with something like, = "Uhhh... I don't really know. Looping, instrumental stuff?"
This doesn't go over well. It doesn't sit well with me eit= her.=A0
Any one else face this problem?=A0
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Do you use = "looping" when describing your music?

I = improvise a lot and it can get pretty weird but usually it's something = like this
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if you're curious.

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--1662753009-1894756782-1333544358=:50303-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 4 15:25:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1B62183474; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 15:25:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 398 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 04 Apr 2012 15:25:31 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kevinkissinger.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=6gbB9kobnuFlq+3NE0IZwTN9OPwvjZbqFZjpix2vjX8=; b=T2Z8WMaY35NpTWIcOMLZcaq6CkDa9dBPXYPdtWYchBbrP8x/UgkclF/wrpJB50jiq5OX44C1GC/QmHJFFbK65sY4zpAEEHfYVrWHROID8GLh3Xyct6Z8Btshvpeh+y8H; Message-ID: <20120404101850.16194ociba2tsw2i@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 10:18:50 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Describing Your Music References: <1333544358.50303.YahooMailNeo@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1333544358.50303.YahooMailNeo@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.9) X-Identified-User: {3864:box516.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:smtp auth 127.0.0.1 authed with kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 15:25:31 +0000 (UTC) Electronic/Experimental/Modern Classical Quoting bill bigrig : > I say, "techno/ambient pop". There are so many subgenres of these, =20 > it's hard to nail it down. > rig > > > ________________________________ > From: Jason Fistner > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 5:20 PM > Subject: Describing Your Music > > > Hey all > > Forgive me if this has been discussed before. I did try searching =20 > but it's either broken or I was doing it wrong. > Whenever someone finds out I make music the first question is, "What =20 > kind of music do you play?". > To which I usually respond with something like, "Uhhh... I don't =20 > really know. Looping, instrumental stuff?" > This doesn't go over well. It doesn't sit well with me either.=A0 > > Any one else face this problem?=A0 > Do you use "looping" when describing your music? > > I improvise a lot and it can get pretty weird but usually it's =20 > something like this > =A0http://soundcloud.com/jasonfistner/4-feb=A0 > if you're curious. > > Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 4 16:50:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1288718345E; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 16:50:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <229D9837-F0C9-4797-BCA0-E8EA0E276313@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-916235863 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: ADSR real time plug in? Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 09:50:37 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 16:50:46 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-916235863 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does any one make an ADSR plugin that can be applied in real time, ie used during loop creation while recording, as apposed to just working as a post production App? if its tied to a delay algorithm that would be cool, and perhaps I already have one, as i was recently given a mass of plug ins I haven't gone through yet. To that end I'm talking right now to the designer of the great floor compressor I use, the OWA 1960, about building a true ADSR in to a stomp box pedal, as nobody has done such a thing in a pedal format, that really works well, as does all four phases of ADSR. I'm surprised Moog hasn't done a mooger fooger ADSR, but then again, I wouldn't have the real estate on my pedal board for something that big, not to mention the $. Those of you who have heard my music know that i rely heavily on the Auto- volume Echo on line 6 M series processors to achieve a volume pedal swell, as apposed to using a strait volume pedal, which is also something i do, but i need the auto volume effect because all of the loop tasking and real time effects control I'm doing with my feet. Thanks Bill http://www.youtube.com/user/BillWalkerGuitar --Apple-Mail-3-916235863 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable     Does any one make = an ADSR plugin that can be applied in real time, ie used during loop = creation while recording, as apposed to just working as a post = production App? if its tied to a delay algorithm that would be cool, and = perhaps I already have one, as i was recently given a mass of plug ins I = haven't gone through yet. To that end I'm talking right now to the = designer of the great floor compressor I use, the OWA 1960, about = building a true ADSR in to a stomp box pedal, as nobody has done such a = thing in a pedal format, that really works well, as does all four phases = of ADSR. I'm surprised Moog hasn't done a mooger fooger ADSR, but then = again, I wouldn't have the real estate on my pedal board for something = that big, not to mention the $.  Those of you who have heard my = music know that i rely heavily on the Auto- volume Echo on line 6 M = series processors  to achieve a volume pedal swell, as apposed to = using a strait volume pedal, which is also something i do, but i need = the auto volume effect because all of the loop tasking and real time = effects control I'm doing with my feet. =  

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= --Apple-Mail-3-916235863-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 4 17:00:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09834183466; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 17:00:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BaQN9tnorejibEzzP3L2wgNDuKOd/lx8UlWEL0bYDBE=; b=Qrc6Jvgi2zB846NZInGHLteA0fhU/gXILwtCdikoHng4Epbep9RUA6J82zaE5PHCNL eMNDdW4S6ykKYHLjGtwIZ5DGczd8YXQHhBPFC9eRNj4CSHWLlpWPD4QlFhYUKDTkllRf gD9EfS3bxiw/2uMGIybIzFsYQZkjTjZQxnyjTY4WSnEl3u5zseA9fPDHvFsXD966q10N HVa4VPi87d0ni6RQUFnXdB0Qph+GoKy8IixCkjA58hQMHSVeTF1QAwYMKuN6aKzPj9VP Zm1M6Nk7Hr4s9RIFhbFmYs5R6eOBGyn4hv0vxIcNhoBZcEHQetGXpdfXOyq9mxBM21R4 JvIg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120404101850.16194ociba2tsw2i@mail.kevinkissinger.com> References: <1333544358.50303.YahooMailNeo@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20120404101850.16194ociba2tsw2i@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 10:00:50 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Describing Your Music From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <1bLbn.A.8FG.C5HfPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 17:00:50 +0000 (UTC) It depends on who I'm talking to, how much they know about the music, and how much they're likely to care: Weird Stuff Experimental Improvised Electronic Music A modern take on 70's freeform synthesizer space music I imagine pre-cambrian life and try to come up with a soundtrack for it, using a drum machine and a bunch of pedals in an arrangement that evokes old modular synthesizers. Hmmm, I like that last one. I should put that in my bio. --=20 Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 8:18 AM, wrote: > Electronic/Experimental/Modern Classical > > > Quoting bill bigrig : > >> I say, "techno/ambient pop". There are so many subgenres of these, it's >> hard to nail it down. >> rig >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Jason Fistner >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 5:20 PM >> Subject: Describing Your Music >> >> >> Hey all >> >> Forgive me if this has been discussed before. I did try searching but it= 's >> either broken or I was doing it wrong. >> Whenever someone finds out I make music the first question is, "What kin= d >> of music do you play?". >> To which I usually respond with something like, "Uhhh... I don't really >> know. Looping, instrumental stuff?" >> This doesn't go over well. It doesn't sit well with me either. >> >> Any one else face this problem? >> Do you use "looping" when describing your music? >> >> I improvise a lot and it can get pretty weird but usually it's something >> like this >> =A0http://soundcloud.com/jasonfistner/4-feb >> if you're curious. >> >> Thanks. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 4 17:19:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF9C8183466; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 17:19:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3x09@carlsonarts.com> X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 485759.97360.bm@omp1025.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1333559947; bh=F86oEEmNCtFcKm2d1yoaaxf43ebhiykucgTUKWy/lEA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer; b=0sDjOJZqa9+3GWM6axrhCpFp/07CwetBWOA1IUn06DDqH09BEEHeBfkZoyOViMDyqEeS75kzgRnB5RQocNjT7sjz3UcRUDs+YuGaLDTwFR0dayveO0vtSy7OjUB12vRS3czd3a/tiM2Ptbf4XshBpEfDB1FBa/fE2smOHZyQwOs= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 7qCvqEkVM1nXpzJFngZN8.61QxYEICWWFFfOYeWqYcJkrJJ 0EYt1AcWcjxEic1WPtdzSQbAQAi2n_GwIBrxBxlaGsPCdCFUqw4RXnONq3w5 HCsXATN0stn_vPuSc.FsZ.mHH7SuVMTavemEfRV7QZieO9j4RaY9aoZpxqMl XvZNvu._MzVhJUOmUpE0PwrP.DuW6b9P0CSDZdTLbwveyf8pFaWyEKMGaJKh F6Yl1iDKkyPafamprI6KcwyZa_b4Xmni1Th.W_yIao_X4NN.W4_QGmv2WkmM LOgIzpFLeOEsl3gu.4WOv9mgckJymrQVwwIgLoZU_e3JKN8zzDNBj1XI81xH 5BWNezYgcl3HIeaq_jI.Y3K1m3lcr1Oh8Wp0mY6BXGnlexlnDnomvWZNApjp PfPbINSDrXb_iCw7VDW1YPxq1UQ3KSowpa76mfdazjpX2Fv1mkSzkXoN_x9r 1OIPBALe12EQlLlU9BzL8WV9AexFMUoXXmv0nvVrviO0H8ozyWM1.VItcgGp qKfboIKrDfQ7bU5SwxiiBr0UotzYzdOOXu1mRrhY.afZ4SNfwbZ4.EVx5SuB U750rgst6TQwULn7OtN9x0nwOQn1Sk00ncCRZdChi3g-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Describing Your Music From: TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 10:19:05 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9F250D54-31E6-4DAA-A8FB-2A78728F2E0A@carlsonarts.com> References: <1333544358.50303.YahooMailNeo@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20120404101850.16194ociba2tsw2i@mail.kevinkissinger.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 17:19:09 +0000 (UTC) Rather than describing the style of music that I perform, which may = vary, I describe myself as a "vocal looping artist", and name some of = the songs that I perform. It seems to help get the basic idea across. = I also mention that the real impact comes from seeing me create the = songs live. =20 Michael Carlson (3x09) On Apr 4, 2012, at 10:00 AM, Matt Davignon wrote: > It depends on who I'm talking to, how much they know about the music, > and how much they're likely to care: >=20 > Weird Stuff > Experimental > Improvised Electronic Music > A modern take on 70's freeform synthesizer space music > I imagine pre-cambrian life and try to come up with a soundtrack for > it, using a drum machine and a bunch of pedals in an arrangement that > evokes old modular synthesizers. >=20 > Hmmm, I like that last one. I should put that in my bio. >=20 > --=20 > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com >=20 > On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 8:18 AM, = wrote: >> Electronic/Experimental/Modern Classical >>=20 >>=20 >> Quoting bill bigrig : >>=20 >>> I say, "techno/ambient pop". There are so many subgenres of these, = it's >>> hard to nail it down. >>> rig >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Jason Fistner >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 5:20 PM >>> Subject: Describing Your Music >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Hey all >>>=20 >>> Forgive me if this has been discussed before. I did try searching = but it's >>> either broken or I was doing it wrong. >>> Whenever someone finds out I make music the first question is, "What = kind >>> of music do you play?". >>> To which I usually respond with something like, "Uhhh... I don't = really >>> know. Looping, instrumental stuff?" >>> This doesn't go over well. It doesn't sit well with me either. >>>=20 >>> Any one else face this problem? >>> Do you use "looping" when describing your music? >>>=20 >>> I improvise a lot and it can get pretty weird but usually it's = something >>> like this >>> http://soundcloud.com/jasonfistner/4-feb >>> if you're curious. >>>=20 >>> Thanks. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 4 17:43:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87E68183475; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 17:43:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IqqmH4cL+LCvtaU0WO8qwl5S5ntFaeZqbFu26KDFDNU=; b=WudmYLx3jcT3gFh1g7VhG7h39VLo7RpT9Lc9yQIhaLJA1vnlD8MBcEI1VpYJQA22ny ecQPE06rrj3WTgJFO7r18nxrGekjJwUexwlNAUA0Hc7D+6lWrIe0bEpHBhhArk3HrqN5 LHGiynQ0HJz80KeBm96fFfZDv48jdiHC6VW3aoc5qXyb9313npQWSUI2CagWg5D/03l7 55fxfVYqcgNylvRgmQntNMo68HubzamE5iQVEggbp3Y+v3CJhkfk2tPTPlORE0BDjGSE 7Pr5gWMnmW4euxX47sxo8T1p/uc+qHGDuXJDWfsjgH6d6a2alwAvOZK5mBELSCIZzNn6 8Aew== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <229D9837-F0C9-4797-BCA0-E8EA0E276313@baymoon.com> References: <229D9837-F0C9-4797-BCA0-E8EA0E276313@baymoon.com> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 19:43:56 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: ADSR real time plug in? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <6x1lPB.A.qtG.dhIfPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 17:43:57 +0000 (UTC) Bill, This is a plugin I've been searching for for years! Damn all shortsighted developers and manufacturers that don't do proper market research!!! We guitarists know too well the old Auto Swell effect box. The only good one I have found in the software world comes as part of IK Multimedia's Amplitube 3 and is named "Swell". It allows you to run it un-synced or synced to the host tempo. Synced is nice because you can set it to swell the attack envelope by an 8th note, halfnote or whatever musical duration that fits the song. And this follows the tempo as we usually do with that STratocaster knob under the right hand's pinky or the volume pedal under the foot. In Logic/Mainstage there is a plugin called Enveloper that kind of does this in a mixing situation of already recorded files, but it doesn't go longer than a very short duration... probably somewhere around a 64the note. Sucks. However, Enveloper is great to make a squeeze box smack ears like a house piano, minimize or emphasize an already recorded reverb etc etc. In Ableton Live I have managed to cheat an Auto Swell effect by using an input envelope follow Max for Live device, delay its attack by a ramp up curve and assign it to control a volume plugin or a track volume fader further down the signal chain. Fiddly and not by far as good sounding as that simple "Swell" thing that comes with Amplitube 3 though. However: In the software world poor man's auto swell can be a filter bank plugin! Logic/Mainstage has something called AutoFilter that works almost satisfactory, but not all the way. I get a little better attack smothing from the PSP plugin N02. Very short attack smoothing but, not even a 16 note's envelope, but good and musical sounding. It is a preset called "Envelope Filter". Wait a minute.. maybe I should go into that plugin (cause it is kind of "programmable") and see if I can make the attack time longer... goddammit, why haven't I thought about that? Checking it out now while typing and YES that is possible. The good sounding preset I've been using sports a 10 ms attack slope but I'm able to type in maximally 1000 ms there. I'm finding here that 404 ms attack is cool with 28 ms release and sensibility 11 dB. Playing a new note from silence makes it swell in, with a little touch of the filter, making it sound a bit "moogish", but if you play fast legato runs the release time will not bring down the filter and there is no change to the sound. Pretty optimal. Very nice and I will use this a lot, but I'm still looking for this thing without the filters: just a plain volume ADSR. Thank you Bill. Hope you too will find happiness in the plugin jungle :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 6:50 PM, William Walker wro= te: > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Does any one make an ADSR plugin that can be applied in rea= l time, ie > used during loop creation while recording, as apposed to just working as = a > post production App? if its tied to a delay algorithm that would be cool, > and perhaps I already have one, as i was recently given a mass of plug in= s I > haven't gone through yet. To that end I'm talking right now to the design= er > of the great floor compressor I use, the OWA 1960, about building a true > ADSR in to a stomp box pedal, as nobody has done such a thing in a pedal > format, that really works well, as does all four phases of ADSR. I'm > surprised Moog hasn't done a mooger fooger ADSR, but then again, I wouldn= 't > have the real estate on my pedal board for something that big, not to > mention the $. =C2=A0Those of you who have heard my music know that i rel= y > heavily on the Auto- volume Echo on line 6 M series processors =C2=A0to a= chieve a > volume pedal swell, as apposed to using a strait volume pedal, which is a= lso > something i do, but i need the auto volume effect because all of the loop > tasking and real time effects control I'm doing with my feet. > > =C2=A0Thanks > > > =C2=A0Bill > > http://www.youtube.com/user/BillWalkerGuitar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 4 18:01:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C964183465; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 18:01:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3603 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:01:49 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_pnFiN7Cm8yOyqBFS/XgTxw)" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7498,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-04_05:2012-04-04,2012-04-04,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1204040149 From: Daniel Thomas Subject: Re: ADSR real time plug in? Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 10:01:44 -0700 In-reply-to: <229D9837-F0C9-4797-BCA0-E8EA0E276313@baymoon.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <229D9837-F0C9-4797-BCA0-E8EA0E276313@baymoon.com> Message-id: <6CBC7D18-9AAA-4994-A2FD-AE9C1D23DE18@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 18:01:49 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_pnFiN7Cm8yOyqBFS/XgTxw) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable > Does any one make an ADSR plugin The problem with plug-in fx on a live input is the throughput latency. = Passing up into the DAW and back to the soundcard port causes = substantial latency rendering many fx unusable in a live play context. = =20 Universal Audio promises a solution to this with their new sound card-- = Don't know if there is a good ADSR plug for this platform but I suspect = there is.=20 Of course, there are good HW ADSRs that could be put on the front end of = the loop device or the sound card.=20 Daniel=20 On Apr 4, 2012, at 9:50 AM, William Walker wrote: > Does any one make an ADSR plugin that can be applied in real time, = ie used during loop creation while recording, as apposed to just working = as a post production App? if its tied to a delay algorithm that would be = cool, and perhaps I already have one, as i was recently given a mass of = plug ins I haven't gone through yet. To that end I'm talking right now = to the designer of the great floor compressor I use, the OWA 1960, about = building a true ADSR in to a stomp box pedal, as nobody has done such a = thing in a pedal format, that really works well, as does all four phases = of ADSR. I'm surprised Moog hasn't done a mooger fooger ADSR, but then = again, I wouldn't have the real estate on my pedal board for something = that big, not to mention the $. Those of you who have heard my music = know that i rely heavily on the Auto- volume Echo on line 6 M series = processors to achieve a volume pedal swell, as apposed to using a = strait volume pedal, which is also something i do, but i need the auto = volume effect because all of the loop tasking and real time effects = control I'm doing with my feet. =20 >=20 > Thanks >=20 >=20 > Bill >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/user/BillWalkerGuitar --Boundary_(ID_pnFiN7Cm8yOyqBFS/XgTxw) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Does = any one make an ADSR plugin
The problem with = plug-in fx on a live input is the throughput latency.   Passing up = into the DAW and back to the soundcard port causes substantial latency = rendering many fx unusable in a live play context.   =   
Universal Audio promises a solution to this with their = new sound card--   Don't know if there is a good ADSR plug for this = platform but I suspect there is. 

Of = course, there are good HW ADSRs that could be put on the front end of = the loop device or the sound = card. 


Daniel 
<= div>On Apr 4, 2012, at 9:50 AM, William Walker wrote:

    Does any one make = an ADSR plugin that can be applied in real time, ie used during loop = creation while recording, as apposed to just working as a post = production App? if its tied to a delay algorithm that would be cool, and = perhaps I already have one, as i was recently given a mass of plug ins I = haven't gone through yet. To that end I'm talking right now to the = designer of the great floor compressor I use, the OWA 1960, about = building a true ADSR in to a stomp box pedal, as nobody has done such a = thing in a pedal format, that really works well, as does all four phases = of ADSR. I'm surprised Moog hasn't done a mooger fooger ADSR, but then = again, I wouldn't have the real estate on my pedal board for something = that big, not to mention the $.  Those of you who have heard my = music know that i rely heavily on the Auto- volume Echo on line 6 M = series processors  to achieve a volume pedal swell, as apposed to = using a strait volume pedal, which is also something i do, but i need = the auto volume effect because all of the loop tasking and real time = effects control I'm doing with my feet. =  

 Thanks


=
 Bill


= --Boundary_(ID_pnFiN7Cm8yOyqBFS/XgTxw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 4 18:12:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44397183465; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 18:12:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=VSW+7SsSIFl63HjiPvHnLO8+Ukfc7s9pTdRjQ3sJvM0=; b=zIH2WT1pX6wIvjMI4IRmIJliPa9IP/DYi15LodAk9DMCyyswBuclXoIaW60OCWvkRE 1uwhyf/N42UqRS8qBq0Kmr3jB2kFI6aLPU2YL3dTxiaf7jmAyIpGPxxSffO/BoaemjM9 WHZFeVn3JItB/5k/NQ3B7P23GYTQHgmYrj/Ggrs+f3AutixYSzI1aHBdJC3LdXfcdix+ OgVQvzBOC8S363PipoOGoSLO76dV/w59VJ+GyXWp0n4++QGBN0+5MckRGxrXnCXY95e+ e2xwoqXDVi+y0ZEnKpYWHPdbhAGsAGdrr2uyTbCj/VIKhNy7N+uyNpzs3nTGvmwX2RVC cY0w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6CBC7D18-9AAA-4994-A2FD-AE9C1D23DE18@mac.com> References: <229D9837-F0C9-4797-BCA0-E8EA0E276313@baymoon.com> <6CBC7D18-9AAA-4994-A2FD-AE9C1D23DE18@mac.com> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 20:11:58 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: ADSR real time plug in? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 18:12:01 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Daniel Thomas wrote: > The problem with plug-in fx on a live input is the throughput latency. > Passing up into the DAW and back to the soundcard port causes substantial > latency rendering many fx unusable in a live play context. On my RME laptop rig the roundtrip latency is about 12 ms. Not quite "substantial" to me, but that's of course personal. I would guess it translates to standing three meters way from your amp speaker. Musicians coming from a live gigging background don't have much problem with latency because it exists in the air and varies on every stage, but home studio bedroom musicians that are used to playing with headphones might find latency a bigger challenge. I guess latency wouldn't mean much of a problem in this thread that is about a plugin that takes the distinct attack away from the sound anyway ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 4 19:20:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B820183466; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 19:20:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=k3Aw30DEavhFcdTrSHPAEquSzkygYcl+92C/5fhy4i4=; b=uuDxDXNbWRADWXt2TyYZouNFZAlIpOP45ufTUrQbGImjGXV/mxFXC8oVSiMeUzAHc+ sfc5VLcvQdrGlO5FWlUznhHXfRkXCAqZgubl7NdqBF0BROxpK8NoGBfvSEldsZxJbFAm i4hUETaqRPoc5j9McWlUnm/fm3jBhZ+4lL3IXEJPohhQ7BFI7b6Q/qZnTsfdcNVlNrcA xBJv1guJk2jVWTadLEm3kt2R1n6LqiEvZlWEZ+pOpy2Pikw6QodiFS/5xen/LIVUhnfE SYwbFg5U358pTjxrWYqKNl2mJfcLmJN3T1SKaz3bj/O+KJPK2gn0BLzNucD+ZHnmc9Gy gBzw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <229D9837-F0C9-4797-BCA0-E8EA0E276313@baymoon.com> References: <229D9837-F0C9-4797-BCA0-E8EA0E276313@baymoon.com> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:20:22 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: HU60klfS8boo-TMQkoHwZt35PTM Message-ID: Subject: Re: ADSR real time plug in? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042c647bd1df4d04bcdf5193 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 19:20:44 +0000 (UTC) --f46d042c647bd1df4d04bcdf5193 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Question, when you say ADSR, are you meaning A & D? The problem surely is with the trigger to start an attack? I know that any guitar synths Ive owned that actually modify the input audio have lots of trouble, surly there must be something approximating this in the VG world? Cant we do it with the GR55 Per? TBH I havent tried, but I certainly use the Banjo VG sound to get a D effect, as in short plucky decay. I suggest that it needs a hex pickup at least. Of course Bills post is infering that he wants only a plugin, and that its a "compressor" related effect that hes after. I cannot believe that there no plugins available that can't "turn the attacks inside out" like we used to with those big old tube driven studio compressors. God that was a trip putting late 80=B4s techno through a few (Dang.. what were they called.. I used to have 3... ??? Black with 2 channels and lots of side chaining possibilities.. damn my drug addled brain)... The reason I chimed in though is to wonder... Has anyone ever played with a really old effect from Morley called the Pic O vol? There was also a (pic O wah too.) If I remember correctly it actually had a special metal pick that cut the sound dead when in touch with the string, you plucked and the sound faded in, at a speed dependant on a single knob. The effect kinda stuck into the jack socket... Seriously.. isnt this simple electronics? a tiny mono VCA where the volume is turned up after connection with earth has been broken? Just surprised I havent seen anything about it for about 25 years! Mark On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 6:50 PM, William Walker wrot= e: > Does any one make an ADSR plugin that can be applied in real time, ie > used during loop creation while recording, as apposed to just working as = a > post production App? if its tied to a delay algorithm that would be cool, > and perhaps I already have one, as i was recently given a mass of plug in= s > I haven't gone through yet. To that end I'm talking right now to the > designer of the great floor compressor I use, the OWA 1960, about buildin= g > a true ADSR in to a stomp box pedal, as nobody has done such a thing in a > pedal format, that really works well, as does all four phases of ADSR. I'= m > surprised Moog hasn't done a mooger fooger ADSR, but then again, I wouldn= 't > have the real estate on my pedal board for something that big, not to > mention the $. Those of you who have heard my music know that i rely > heavily on the Auto- volume Echo on line 6 M series processors to achiev= e > a volume pedal swell, as apposed to using a strait volume pedal, which is > also something i do, but i need the auto volume effect because all of the > loop tasking and real time effects control I'm doing with my feet. > > Thanks > > > Bill > > http://www.youtube.com/user/BillWalkerGuitar > --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d042c647bd1df4d04bcdf5193 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Question, when you say ADSR, are you meaning A & D?
The problem sure= ly is with the trigger to start an attack? I know that any guitar synths Iv= e owned that actually modify the input audio have lots of trouble, surly th= ere must be something approximating this in the VG world? Cant we do it wit= h the GR55 Per? TBH I havent tried, but I certainly use the Banjo VG sound = to get a D effect, as in short plucky decay. I suggest that it needs a hex = pickup at least.
Of course Bills post is infering that he wants only a plugin, and that its = a "compressor" related effect that hes after.

I cannot be= lieve that there no plugins available that can't "turn the attacks= inside out" like we used to with those big old tube driven studio com= pressors. God that was a trip putting late 80=B4s techno through a few (Dan= g.. what were they called.. I used to have 3... ??? Black with 2 channels a= nd lots of side chaining possibilities.. damn my drug addled brain)...

The reason I chimed in though is to wonder... Has anyone ever played wi= th a really old effect from Morley called the Pic O vol? There was also a (= pic O wah too.) If I remember correctly it actually had a special metal pic= k that cut the sound dead when in touch with the string, you plucked and th= e sound faded in, at a speed dependant on a single knob. The effect kinda s= tuck into the jack socket...

Seriously.. isnt this simple electronics? a tiny mono VCA where the vol= ume is turned up after connection with earth has been broken? Just surprise= d I havent seen anything about it for about 25 years!

Mark





On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 6:50 PM, = William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
=A0 =A0 Does any one make an ADSR plugi= n that can be applied in real time, ie used during loop creation while reco= rding, as apposed to just working as a post production App? if its tied to = a delay algorithm that would be cool, and perhaps I already have one, as i = was recently given a mass of plug ins I haven't gone through yet. To th= at end I'm talking right now to the designer of the great floor compres= sor I use, the OWA 1960, about building a true ADSR in to a stomp box pedal= , as nobody has done such a thing in a pedal format, that really works well= , as does all four phases of ADSR. I'm surprised Moog hasn't done a= mooger fooger ADSR, but then again, I wouldn't have the real estate on= my pedal board for something that big, not to mention the $. =A0Those of y= ou who have heard my music know that i rely heavily on the Auto- volume Ech= o on line 6 M series processors =A0to achieve a volume pedal swell, as appo= sed to using a strait volume pedal, which is also something i do, but i nee= d the auto volume effect because all of the loop tasking and real time effe= cts control I'm doing with my feet. =A0

=A0Thanks





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--f46d042c647bd1df4d04bcdf5193-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 4 19:39:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6B37183466; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 19:39:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NhC5aUllS7m9ipFZgD6DS/wj7ZQNZOypFTdtwl2LljQ=; b=GdvrfoEJhtjvpXZnRxzyJMWEsIabIrZ8pjZl0hqkaDU+q+aL0TEjxQqf5z80ybBA0R lQhu6Ta6VVa2SZ47siV0pPAylk6uyt9qiRXFIU+/S4Cqur83Td++RzvO3NEshcnWw3aH SyWd1wqa2mjsXhzIm42C7V06ixdiBF6dTJTvIWfD+vuauncHsfXlC9nd50KXmr2iD07X OdReMzOvWPmfQFuFLLN1mqj8vENbbXEaTmHlOk+TJiT+LtsTyoq0Qsr7jZGfS/GOMGF9 zpn8leyXwIt3GATJ7Bvt5g5GFdRJAp2rt7p4DcVACPOuT/XZ1IY6YXFuI+b8OjZv1f4W itgA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <229D9837-F0C9-4797-BCA0-E8EA0E276313@baymoon.com> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:39:08 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: ADSR real time plug in? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <4tKR7D.A.8g.dNKfPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 19:39:09 +0000 (UTC) Attack - Decay - Sustain - Release... It should be a simple thing to make and it is surprising how few ADSR gadgets there are for audio signal processing. Such envelope filter has been in every synth for all ages. >> surly there must be something approximating this in the VG world? >>Cant we do it with the GR55 Per? Definitely possible. But the GR55 isn't the real source sound you know. Oh my gosh, what have you said... I hope Big Bill won't send his golem now to punish you for Blasphemy Against The True Lap Steel! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 9:20 PM, mark francombe wro= te: > Question, when you say ADSR, are you meaning A & D? > The problem surely is with the trigger to start an attack? I know that an= y > guitar synths Ive owned that actually modify the input audio have lots of > trouble, surly there must be something approximating this in the VG world= ? > Cant we do it with the GR55 Per? TBH I havent tried, but I certainly use = the > Banjo VG sound to get a D effect, as in short plucky decay. I suggest tha= t > it needs a hex pickup at least. > Of course Bills post is infering that he wants only a plugin, and that it= s a > "compressor" related effect that hes after. > > I cannot believe that there no plugins available that can't "turn the > attacks inside out" like we used to with those big old tube driven studio > compressors. God that was a trip putting late 80=C2=B4s techno through a = few > (Dang.. what were they called.. I used to have 3... ??? Black with 2 > channels and lots of side chaining possibilities.. damn my drug addled > brain)... > > The reason I chimed in though is to wonder... Has anyone ever played with= a > really old effect from Morley called the Pic O vol? There was also a (pic= O > wah too.) If I remember correctly it actually had a special metal pick th= at > cut the sound dead when in touch with the string, you plucked and the sou= nd > faded in, at a speed dependant on a single knob. The effect kinda stuck i= nto > the jack socket... > > Seriously.. isnt this simple electronics? a tiny mono VCA where the volum= e > is turned up after connection with earth has been broken? Just surprised = I > havent seen anything about it for about 25 years! > > Mark > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 6:50 PM, William Walker > wrote: >> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Does any one make an ADSR plugin that can be applied in re= al time, ie >> used during loop creation while recording, as apposed to just working as= a >> post production App? if its tied to a delay algorithm that would be cool= , >> and perhaps I already have one, as i was recently given a mass of plug i= ns I >> haven't gone through yet. To that end I'm talking right now to the desig= ner >> of the great floor compressor I use, the OWA 1960, about building a true >> ADSR in to a stomp box pedal, as nobody has done such a thing in a pedal >> format, that really works well, as does all four phases of ADSR. I'm >> surprised Moog hasn't done a mooger fooger ADSR, but then again, I would= n't >> have the real estate on my pedal board for something that big, not to >> mention the $. =C2=A0Those of you who have heard my music know that i re= ly >> heavily on the Auto- volume Echo on line 6 M series processors =C2=A0to = achieve a >> volume pedal swell, as apposed to using a strait volume pedal, which is = also >> something i do, but i need the auto volume effect because all of the loo= p >> tasking and real time effects control I'm doing with my feet. >> >> =C2=A0Thanks >> >> >> =C2=A0Bill >> >> http://www.youtube.com/user/BillWalkerGuitar > > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 4 19:57:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59435183461; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 19:57:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KY3p7g/5z5ZIuOfCMLY+xQ6wr6Hpms5PyNUBh9/h668=; b=MzdQLxaxEwVdBHidVjjm6UKvRw5XOL0DlbUIA1YIEJgrktnWJwuJ3eTCJGhs/O/ngZ /odYh+NJhWFD7fKFiiP3kO+tbCEDelmSR4YH6LnbwxIwwDTEoH9jaNxyiguzUDZJX/pk oudJw5rKQ33zqU3iAaNksCE7RTVQwO9OcVZDy3ZordQFprgJi0B/l5+2A8MB1tib63H9 3Zez9MWsqVvqFuyORHM9aQbcdjNxrSo0bR350CoqyuMfS2hAzN/RxkAXJqy090kBdmlO Kh5sBNBHEfzK3xhiA028FF4mEYsK2nHCZblvnXJ7vCWD6RmPWIovcjp/9imEttQZrGfy SnsA== Message-ID: <4F7CA7A7.2080307@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 21:57:27 +0200 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Describing Your Music References: <44FBB565-516D-4163-91AB-0ED692D80AE0@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <44FBB565-516D-4163-91AB-0ED692D80AE0@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8Y1i-.A.Ty.feKfPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 19:57:19 +0000 (UTC) Am 04.04.2012 02:39, schrieb Ted Killian: > I ask them if they are familiar with the term "Easy Listening." > > And then I tell them that what I play is as far away from that as they can probably imagine. I decided to use the description "uneasy listening" for my music. Which should mean our music is somehwat similar - which to a certain extent it seems to be, considering that you were a performer on every festival I played in the U.S. ever ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 4 20:08:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAE87183461; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 20:08:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=psWcb5N98119OaOi9bjyg15qVElTHlpKZyP+LUQnThs= c=1 sm=1 a=KfGq-mLK1qwA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=qYz8RHWopigd8QnFYCx1XA==:17 a=F5TZGmGx7ObeYuFv42MA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=zdRuEmwNkDemIoCQL0WYIA==:117 Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 16:08:10 -0400 (EDT) From: =?UTF8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <1b581d56.543bf7.1367ef8b7a7.Webtop.49@charter.net> Subject: Re: Describing Your Music MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 X-SID: 49 X-Originating-IP: [68.118.35.162] Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <-f4Jf.A.K-.roKfPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 20:08:11 +0000 (UTC) Comrade! Brother! On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Am 04.04.2012 02:39, schrieb Ted Killian: >> I ask them if they are familiar with the term "Easy Listening." >> >> And then I tell them that what I play is as far away from that as >> they can probably imagine. >> > I decided to use the description "uneasy listening" for my music. > Which should mean our music is somehwat similar - which to a certain > extent it seems to be, considering that you were a performer on every > festival I played in the U.S. ever ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 4 20:13:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AD6D183464; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 20:13:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 741446004/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.70.125.69/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.70.125.69 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAEiqfE9PRn1F/2dsb2JhbAANNrtGAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBvleNK4MkBJtAjTs X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,371,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="741446004" Message-ID: <4F7CAB61.6000005@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 21:13:21 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ADSR real time plug in? References: <229D9837-F0C9-4797-BCA0-E8EA0E276313@baymoon.com> In-Reply-To: <229D9837-F0C9-4797-BCA0-E8EA0E276313@baymoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 20:13:20 +0000 (UTC) William Walker wrote: >a true ADSR in to a stomp box pedal, as nobody has done such a > thing in a pedal format, that really works well, as does all four phases > of ADSR. One day I *will* write that plugin, and you shall Beta it :-) It would fit in neatly with the other Mathons stuff. I'm kind of thinking it doesn't make any sense to have a Release phase on a stomp box. When the note end was detected there wouldn't be any sound to fill the release period. ...or do you imagine something ultra-clever that can fill in the sound there? ...hmmm, or feed guitar + reverb through the pedal and sidechain the dry signal to the detector. Curious you don't mention the Pigtronix Philosopher King (or the simpler model without the compressor) which does a genuine Attack Decay Hold type thing which sounds like an ADSR, ...well ADS really. ...but as I know you've played with it I guess it lacked somehow. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 4 20:15:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 716B1183464; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 20:15:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=67T7hAN44WcJVYae31/F5qdGilZdtGfzcIkI8HD7HrA=; b=q/GKJ+DHmRGoVtmcZWD8EfOapuqbpAq73bE6hJN5DeEJigLH9TDpJ6GW0vL4ZiD0JK cwik5c2umK9O1Oeypk8H4YuQTX+mbr0xxjFvvXFNNBt2tCjV3LY5yLCBUjlnmOeYY0iY Ufcf6Z+GWXSYjGW9/fqLLkVwKxyuVZe59Gd/vE3vfttRfhszArVIQYM0jG6gml9DIoAb y83NY1EktWByNynGN2PJbOgm6Smz9TkV3AyAMpO2mVeEYDHASlT14Rc0e73//5oQuMVC XUIx1U99gjZZKiwryIMf5CJ19yyEv1Brtf5KTQcANRf/kes865Y73QiyLirIqYsAo11z 9HDA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1b581d56.543bf7.1367ef8b7a7.Webtop.49@charter.net> References: <1b581d56.543bf7.1367ef8b7a7.Webtop.49@charter.net> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 16:15:06 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Describing Your Music From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec51d21a454712404bce014ef Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 20:15:07 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec51d21a454712404bce014ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a new moniker I came up with last night while trying to answer the very question. "Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism" - first time I've felt I had a solid answer for the question beyond 'World'. This all said I loved your response Ted! Jim On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:08 PM, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wro= te: > Comrade! Brother! > > > On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > wrote: > > Am 04.04.2012 02:39, schrieb Ted Killian: >> >>> I ask them if they are familiar with the term "Easy Listening." >>> >>> And then I tell them that what I play is as far away from that as they >>> can probably imagine. >>> >>> I decided to use the description "uneasy listening" for my music. Whic= h >> should mean our music is somehwat similar - which to a certain extent it >> seems to be, considering that you were a performer on every festival I >> played in the U.S. ever ;) >> > > --=20 --=20 *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. *From Brooklyn To Glindran*, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. --bcaec51d21a454712404bce014ef Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a new moniker I came up with last night while trying to answer = the very question.=A0 "Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repeti= tive minimalism" - first time I've felt I had a solid answer for t= he question beyond 'World'.=A0 This all said I loved your response = Ted!
=A0
Jim

On Wed, Apr = 4, 2012 at 4:08 PM, tEd =AE kiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:
Comrade! Brother!


=A0On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill w= rote:

Am 04.04.2012 02:39, schrieb Ted Killian:
I ask them if they are familiar with the term "Easy Listening."
And then I tell them that what I play is as far away from that as they can = probably imagine.

I decided to use the description "uneasy listening" for my music.= Which should mean our music is somehwat similar - which to a certain exten= t it seems to be, considering that you were a performer on every festival I= played in the U.S. ever ;)




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--=A0<= /div>
Tips Across the Waters, a = new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording = by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds
from the sale of this CD = will benefit JDRF International.=A0=A0jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

--bcaec51d21a454712404bce014ef-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 4 20:23:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B2DD183464; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 20:23:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=AEZzKpkrvytoy5ur0S3u88zVjapDQu0ZM6gZjbq8cus=; b=U5hiC8/OLkrlklpKM8vrrW/qwGJsIbitQFZARb1dDQe38bulcxYHl7rxCHJpeziQ5L YT6hNksvzjdAjcwba1cC7dp/UinoS9yWyE8Y6Tp1wwOuNRgosZO/y4nQ/6Lxcr39ouA8 vYu1Vu+pUJoa8OldWuI6J5Hvi5rRQ/X8HNsZetJkH3sxaThrkjIob9kZLXnZXYhKEXEu qBoG/xcJHM/dmQmrcD7gj3ZEz0VN8UUj//I+b80Tf8mja9Eu/l4vsCfYwW0e/c0Eoe6S 5qN6jJYNln79q/c45iMUyrjnZO3STVVw2IHffzPTFBplFHgD4ks3D+2qxD7AXxtY6uZ8 Jveg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F7CAB61.6000005@tiscali.co.uk> References: <229D9837-F0C9-4797-BCA0-E8EA0E276313@baymoon.com> <4F7CAB61.6000005@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 22:23:26 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: ADSR real time plug in? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 20:23:27 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:13 PM, andy butler wrote: > I'm kind of thinking it doesn't make any sense to have a Release phase > on a stomp box. When the note end was detected there wouldn't be any > sound to fill the release period. That's right. But if you think about it - if playing a guitar through that plugin you might want to use the release value for controlling how long time after the note end was detected the next note will trigger the attack envelope from zero? I can easily imagine a song where you may want to play snappy 16 note chords (like a funky thing) with normal guitar string attack and also be able to fade in a chord now and then with a slower attack envelope. With the right "release" setting you actually can play that part; just stay silent for at least two 16 notes before throwing in the chord you want to swell. Ahhh.. that would be a lovely plugin!!! :-) Especially if you can set it to relate to the host tempo (time values in synced musical time or in absolute time) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 4 20:47:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9547A183474; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 20:47:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yRrFsTW7bx5ir+bmHbLkakfDwKGrjGyNPWR6e8SYTIM=; b=UpNvIFWwsGlxmU+gS1xxDeeqoVpxFJOUDMLN2dHiVK3YqdtoKi/Ve4aQo4cYSepye4 +brtSb3/q8NiGC4MYLpwyGNxyKOhou4zQRH21DaYS2r9vFrKZ6EKaJReFYRD8Xr493kF MR9thdJR/TSl/9hGbibwigBIq9FoLnzfqPPj+abapap5H0Wf3ZUrDAdxuUL0ovDZN+C2 BmMUXemkrU8c3gvTzpnvgsAvbxlcdYZnHYSfQLLbS4flXGhNMb1qLwTMB99ZR2iBtP5h aZGeBwtGKiM/RjhjiB0RmoyJT1f8QJ8GxFPMKZ7UuG0cnGQoTIyCZ+XiXGXOkQtmuAAq A46g== Message-ID: <4F7CB358.50703@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 22:47:20 +0200 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ADSR real time plug in? References: <229D9837-F0C9-4797-BCA0-E8EA0E276313@baymoon.com> <4F7CAB61.6000005@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4F7CAB61.6000005@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 20:47:09 +0000 (UTC) Am 04.04.2012 22:13, schrieb andy butler: > I'm kind of thinking it doesn't make any sense to have a Release phase > on a stomp box. When the note end was detected there wouldn't be any > sound to fill the release period. There's the TC Triple-C, which in envelope mode does the following: Parameters are Threshold, Attack Gain, Attack Time, Release Time and Release Gain. It works like this: If the input signal rises above threshold, then in a time of 0.1ms (fixed) it is amplified up to the attack gain. Then, the gain falls back to unity for the duration of attack time. Then, nothing happens until the signal falls below threshold, when during the release time, the gain falls to release gain. In standard synth ADSR terminology, it would translate somehow to. A=0.1ms (the fixed attack time) D=Attack Time S=-Attack Gain R=Release Time (somehow like this). It's a truly fun effect, especially to completely whack up tracks with percussive stuff. (The Triple-C stereo version was so much fun in fact, that TC quickly wrote a document explaining why the much more expensive Finalizer was better, and then quickly discontinued the Triple-C ;). 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2012 02:32:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=yPOAOMBicVizsy0PgZQf/dRDrnY4dO1fDatVSdcmTq4=; b=o6/q8apaHOG1ijKEM3FBu4/B9IGNESbyzuhFWfDtxk7+LoBN8WnxkPyl62CRkTis9J pmrq6u31UQMAALfHrKK+990j+U6C8wZsS6pH8TRYUtdo27OSAJ55PQGpMrgjYw8xV6GK /dS2pb6frfNuFE+6r+f0HFp2JwD5BFZo4u7CFf70X+cTVYCbc6t7sDiaTslWSKXEsSQL qxOjo3HgwjjO4AEWTnXa0dAo39HdkL6ZXyk8GDf8zTjIoQcydviHsfOpp/OdgfJHHutQ glNc+j1vdSaMwZVwaT03qAUWwP6moGTqVsv6IpZqVBwfU/Sxx45iJ8C7VCVs5EaBtRNY IA+A== From: Philip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Looperlative LP2 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:32:43 +0900 Message-Id: <35DBAEA3-4B53-464B-93A6-761F831B1F3D@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Resent-Message-ID: <_cJIZC.A.EVE.QRQfPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:32:48 +0000 (UTC) Has anyone tried the LP2? Does it work? The description and price look = great, but I'm hesitant to take the plunge. One of the reasons is the = beating that it is taking over on The Gear Page forums: http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=3D680349&page=3D10 Most of you probably don't visit The Gear Page much, but I thought I = would just give you guys a heads up. If any of you have tried the LP2 = and find it to be a properly functioning looper, it may be nice to share = your experiences over there. Because based on what I read over there, I = don't think anyone will touch it.=20 Philip From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 02:45:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 515E1183460; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:45:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=kGH5yTb7c5wktLaf1XXokkzvxSWYUcJ09q9tmZDKQCg=; b=zPf0RDb8aJ92s0d0OirTy+jaYCDbTa72t7Rr4ikLpJXXqMsHcc4VnmY7iLPo57iOmz voav6bmlI5vlf8CJKqjWvxhpUp1Catjl9N49PWLwTmxq2uQvscNAu/GbvQ+E/kIfNTEB hO+T6k2U823BA5hOCByDDlGZkEfoUfimSGm6T3U+x12Hj8KVjE9+i+Jj4LCkFc6W8DjE DaF6ousvzXJUyXAXUjtOyR713rV5608KUYuykVFHeBDEp053fm/jtuqWOlGdZ14M7P+c 4jAvBxzFY1lpoVcAKMGmTwp8DTTO7fgNvb+s13/v40GKFH7LQW8TsK5/WXz4UV2iE26/ KvfA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <35DBAEA3-4B53-464B-93A6-761F831B1F3D@gmail.com> References: <35DBAEA3-4B53-464B-93A6-761F831B1F3D@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 22:45:04 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looperlative LP2 From: Bennett Williams To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b15a4dbf7dc6404bce5863d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:45:06 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b15a4dbf7dc6404bce5863d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Never tried a Looperlative product. I use a Boomerang III & Side Car, which works great. On Apr 4, 2012 10:32 PM, "Philip" wrote: > Has anyone tried the LP2? Does it work? The description and price look > great, but I'm hesitant to take the plunge. One of the reasons is the > beating that it is taking over on The Gear Page forums: > > http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=680349&page=10 > > Most of you probably don't visit The Gear Page much, but I thought I would > just give you guys a heads up. If any of you have tried the LP2 and find it > to be a properly functioning looper, it may be nice to share your > experiences over there. Because based on what I read over there, I don't > think anyone will touch it. > > Philip > > > --047d7b15a4dbf7dc6404bce5863d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Never tried a Looperlative product. I use a Boomerang III & Side Car= , which works great.

On Apr 4, 2012 10:32 PM, "Philip" <= philip.ojc@gmail.com> wrote:=
Has anyone tried the LP2? Does it work? The description and price look grea= t, but I'm hesitant to take the plunge. One of the reasons is the beati= ng that it is taking over on The Gear Page forums:

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php= ?t=3D680349&page=3D10

Most of you probably don't visit The Gear Page much, but I thought I wo= uld just give you guys a heads up. If any of you have tried the LP2 and fin= d it to be a properly functioning looper, it may be nice to share your expe= riences over there. Because based on what I read over there, I don't th= ink anyone will touch it.

Philip


--047d7b15a4dbf7dc6404bce5863d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 02:50:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD4B5183477; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:50:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=Gkma9+DUpD8gtr/9ocCpin3V+A7SMcYgtCiUrArWZDQ=; b=pVpsPar4STKwjDM2MUjiZ/2HQoH2tP/nWNp4Cxhh0l2eFR7GJDRZCszyl2x5gjTPDl 7cIoMFnjPvJdKBSSSZS1EJ7/1+TxPUh1vLRy663SglBLhh4UAx6rU3cCW0+5WZZ2BLis vrFQtH4J+kCdFexrt8Tywkm96BZQbpZYM95mLaPdieU32IGFz6JtTst/auRT72ksl0tN eVwTtz//ZSE4bMSD1d8dkHmfG/iW7mCHyQgkG+y4vhEaNzy7S2z+HZO1xlLJaZsZ9q+F Bn+fCOlHEEpr24hKq3s3mxAslKo94iQSvyQEr9TdvwabUrFU+88kM+GYTMP2i047bj7a m+6g== References: <35DBAEA3-4B53-464B-93A6-761F831B1F3D@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-19CFA440-2F19-47B0-BD1C-86250AA28793 Message-Id: Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) From: Phil Clevenger Subject: Re: Looperlative LP2 Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 19:50:47 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:50:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-19CFA440-2F19-47B0-BD1C-86250AA28793 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mine just arrived yesterday. Hope to have some testing time this weekend. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 4, 2012, at 7:45 PM, Bennett Williams wrote: > Never tried a Looperlative product. I use a Boomerang III & Side Car, whic= h works great. >=20 > On Apr 4, 2012 10:32 PM, "Philip" wrote: > Has anyone tried the LP2? Does it work? The description and price look gre= at, but I'm hesitant to take the plunge. One of the reasons is the beating t= hat it is taking over on The Gear Page forums: >=20 > http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=3D680349&page=3D10 >=20 > Most of you probably don't visit The Gear Page much, but I thought I would= just give you guys a heads up. If any of you have tried the LP2 and find it= to be a properly functioning looper, it may be nice to share your experienc= es over there. Because based on what I read over there, I don't think anyone= will touch it. >=20 > Philip >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-19CFA440-2F19-47B0-BD1C-86250AA28793 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Mine just arrived yesterday. Hope to have some testing time this weekend.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 4, 2012, at 7:45 PM, Bennett Williams <bennettwilliamsdrums@gmail.com> wrote:

Never tried a Looperlative product. I use a Boomerang III & Side Car, which works great.

On Apr 4, 2012 10:32 PM, "Philip" <philip.ojc@gmail.com> wrote:
Has anyone tried the LP2? Does it work? The description and price look great, but I'm hesitant to take the plunge. One of the reasons is the beating that it is taking over on The Gear Page forums:

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=680349&page=10

Most of you probably don't visit The Gear Page much, but I thought I would just give you guys a heads up. If any of you have tried the LP2 and find it to be a properly functioning looper, it may be nice to share your experiences over there. Because based on what I read over there, I don't think anyone will touch it.

Philip


--Apple-Mail-19CFA440-2F19-47B0-BD1C-86250AA28793-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 08:18:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98713183465; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 08:18:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 09:17:53 +0100 From: Philip Conway To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ADSR real time plug in? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <229D9837-F0C9-4797-BCA0-E8EA0E276313@baymoon.com> Originator-Info: login-token=Mulberry:01hJwXhvT/T7iCz13vxfkAfPTDyobpsvTJivjFy3/uuvfKeOl9Eog=; token_authority=mailto:postmaster@bristol.ac.uk X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 08:18:34 +0000 (UTC) I suspect that the Fabfilter Pro-G gate plugin could do this, although I=20 haven't tried it for this purpose. It's pretty sophisticated. Their=20 plugins have a one month fully functional trial period, so they're worth=20 checking out. --On 04 April 2012 19:43 +0200 Per Boysen wrote: > Bill, > > This is a plugin I've been searching for for years! Damn all > shortsighted developers and manufacturers that don't do proper market > research!!! We guitarists know too well the old Auto Swell effect box. > The only good one I have found in the software world comes as part of > IK Multimedia's Amplitube 3 and is named "Swell". It allows you to run > it un-synced or synced to the host tempo. Synced is nice because you > can set it to swell the attack envelope by an 8th note, halfnote or > whatever musical duration that fits the song. And this follows the > tempo as we usually do with that STratocaster knob under the right > hand's pinky or the volume pedal under the foot. > > In Logic/Mainstage there is a plugin called Enveloper that kind of > does this in a mixing situation of already recorded files, but it > doesn't go longer than a very short duration... probably somewhere > around a 64the note. Sucks. However, Enveloper is great to make a > squeeze box smack ears like a house piano, minimize or emphasize an > already recorded reverb etc etc. > > In Ableton Live I have managed to cheat an Auto Swell effect by using > an input envelope follow Max for Live device, delay its attack by a > ramp up curve and assign it to control a volume plugin or a track > volume fader further down the signal chain. Fiddly and not by far as > good sounding as that simple "Swell" thing that comes with Amplitube 3 > though. > > However: > In the software world poor man's auto swell can be a filter bank > plugin! Logic/Mainstage has something called AutoFilter that works > almost satisfactory, but not all the way. I get a little better attack > smothing from the PSP plugin N02. Very short attack smoothing but, not > even a 16 note's envelope, but good and musical sounding. It is a > preset called "Envelope Filter". Wait a minute.. maybe I should go > into that plugin (cause it is kind of "programmable") and see if I can > make the attack time longer... goddammit, why haven't I thought about > that? Checking it out now while typing and YES that is possible. The > good sounding preset I've been using sports a 10 ms attack slope but > I'm able to type in maximally 1000 ms there. I'm finding here that 404 > ms attack is cool with 28 ms release and sensibility 11 dB. Playing a > new note from silence makes it swell in, with a little touch of the > filter, making it sound a bit "moogish", but if you play fast legato > runs the release time will not bring down the filter and there is no > change to the sound. Pretty optimal. Very nice and I will use this a > lot, but I'm still looking for this thing without the filters: just a > plain volume ADSR. > > Thank you Bill. Hope you too will find happiness in the plugin jungle = :-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 6:50 PM, William Walker > wrote: >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Does any one make an ADSR plugin that can be applied in = real time, >> ie used during loop creation while recording, as apposed to just working >> as a post production App? if its tied to a delay algorithm that would be >> cool, and perhaps I already have one, as i was recently given a mass of >> plug ins I haven't gone through yet. To that end I'm talking right now >> to the designer of the great floor compressor I use, the OWA 1960, about >> building a true ADSR in to a stomp box pedal, as nobody has done such a >> thing in a pedal format, that really works well, as does all four phases >> of ADSR. I'm surprised Moog hasn't done a mooger fooger ADSR, but then >> again, I wouldn't have the real estate on my pedal board for something >> that big, not to mention the $. =C2=A0Those of you who have heard my = music >> know that i rely heavily on the Auto- volume Echo on line 6 M series >> processors =C2=A0to achieve a volume pedal swell, as apposed to using a >> strait volume pedal, which is also something i do, but i need the auto >> volume effect because all of the loop tasking and real time effects >> control I'm doing with my feet. >> >> =C2=A0Thanks >> >> >> =C2=A0Bill >> >> http://www.youtube.com/user/BillWalkerGuitar > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 08:52:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDFD0183465; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 08:52:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=tuzqSAtMRuO8rZ+3iW3way+Lp9Mt4PGgtQtFz3neUiY=; b=KA1eunwfFnHqxvamalA5746eV5gAx5JzO+V1294VA0Jijk71mdL3reBPpIUGeDfhab ecdATOOwt81SDEPgh6jKiH9nHVjesu2OaMhiGA1zpbzHQtf/Nehz3HuVlV+kNAGhU737 CI1bWMGVLk7ILz2ab4UxsV86O9nMrMoSdWJ23qciTJn1OoTWFsUTZRKL0SiGesmLCRce T4WTtcDbmWN+ItgHy+/8oYfSUH5gJum3moKvTK7gzt/F3xiB9L4EOeObvVhZ34afoGpL Jy2njkKDIc9lc9wZS2A+7OuscMX+gHOid8fOp+nbtkPJzrX0wN3zX6AsM/sWUBAEq2Vs aEDQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <229D9837-F0C9-4797-BCA0-E8EA0E276313@baymoon.com> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 10:52:08 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: ADSR real time plug in? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <4l0b5.A.pHH.50VfPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 08:52:09 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Philip Conway wrote: > I suspect that the Fabfilter Pro-G gate plugin could do this, although I > haven't tried it for this purpose. =C2=A0It's pretty sophisticated. =C2= =A0Their > plugins have a one month fully functional trial period, so they're worth > checking out. I don't own the Pro-G either, but that's an exciting idea, Philip. I totally agree on the excellence of the Fabfilter stuff. Every day I use their Pro-L and Pro-Q, especially for mastering but also inserted within a track. I don't use the most advanced features because I don't master much of other peoples music and in my own productions I prefer fixing issues directly at the source track rather than dialing in with audio surgery on the stereo master. But I've read the manual and watched all YouTube tutorials Fabfilter has posted, just to be sure I know the advanced stuff in case a situation should come up. One cool thing with those advanced plugins is that they can be set to work at non latency mode (i.e. within the host's plugin latency margins) and if you do a mixdown you can set them all the way to 4x oversampling (which causes long latency for live work). Especially the limiter sometimes works well to play bass guitar through, it makes so much for the feel of the instrument sound so you really have to record through it and play on the sound. TAlking about Fabfilter, I'm a happy long time user of their Volcano (filterbank thingy) and Timeless (sort of tape delay simulation). Also picked up Saturn recently and finding it useful both in mastering (so far only found it useful as a 2 band multi compressor when mastering. But some masters sound better without so it's a kind of "extra utility" rather than a basic tool) and when your looking for a weird sound for something. Sorry, for the long post. Just got inspired when reading someone mentioning one of my fav plugin developers. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 09:07:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44466183474; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:07:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 10:07:21 +0100 From: Philip Conway To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ADSR real time plug in? Message-ID: <274A1BAD948CAB1E427EAE14@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <229D9837-F0C9-4797-BCA0-E8EA0E276313@baymoon.com> Originator-Info: login-token=Mulberry:01s6k0miMMbMyx3HoD9CgNmQjy16P94SPWpwz02JwC6SbXlf2sH6U=; token_authority=mailto:postmaster@bristol.ac.uk X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <9IiEKD.A.uUH.gDWfPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:07:45 +0000 (UTC) Yes, I agree. All their plugins are excellent. I don't own them yet but=20 I'm going to buy the whole effects collection while I can still take=20 advantage of their very generous (50%) student discount. I've really enjoyed trialing Saturn too. It's a useful saturation plugin=20 but the best use I've found for it so far is for creating stereo effects.=20 You can individually pan any of the frequency bands you create AND you can=20 separately pan the distortion/saturation within each band. It creates some = really huge sounds, I love it on my guitar. Heck, with all the modulation=20 options it has you could probably get an ADSR effect with this or maybe=20 Volcano. I know they have envelope generators. Back in the analog world the Boss SG-1 Slow Gear (long since discontinued)=20 did the auto-swell thing. Maybe someone has made a software clone of that. = I know 'build your own clone' sell the parts needed for a stompbox clone. Philip. --On 05 April 2012 10:52 +0200 Per Boysen wrote: > On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Philip Conway > wrote: >> I suspect that the Fabfilter Pro-G gate plugin could do this, although I >> haven't tried it for this purpose. =C2=A0It's pretty sophisticated. = =C2=A0Their >> plugins have a one month fully functional trial period, so they're worth >> checking out. > > > I don't own the Pro-G either, but that's an exciting idea, Philip. I > totally agree on the excellence of the Fabfilter stuff. Every day I > use their Pro-L and Pro-Q, especially for mastering but also inserted > within a track. I don't use the most advanced features because I don't > master much of other peoples music and in my own productions I prefer > fixing issues directly at the source track rather than dialing in with > audio surgery on the stereo master. But I've read the manual and > watched all YouTube tutorials Fabfilter has posted, just to be sure I > know the advanced stuff in case a situation should come up. One cool > thing with those advanced plugins is that they can be set to work at > non latency mode (i.e. within the host's plugin latency margins) and > if you do a mixdown you can set them all the way to 4x oversampling > (which causes long latency for live work). Especially the limiter > sometimes works well to play bass guitar through, it makes so much for > the feel of the instrument sound so you really have to record through > it and play on the sound. > > TAlking about Fabfilter, I'm a happy long time user of their Volcano > (filterbank thingy) and Timeless (sort of tape delay simulation). Also > picked up Saturn recently and finding it useful both in mastering (so > far only found it useful as a 2 band multi compressor when mastering. > But some masters sound better without so it's a kind of "extra > utility" rather than a basic tool) and when your looking for a weird > sound for something. > > Sorry, for the long post. Just got inspired when reading someone > mentioning one of my fav plugin developers. > > Per > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 10:36:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEF3D183462; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 10:36:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F7D758B.4010406@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 03:35:55 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philip CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative LP2 References: <35DBAEA3-4B53-464B-93A6-761F831B1F3D@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <35DBAEA3-4B53-464B-93A6-761F831B1F3D@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 10:36:06 +0000 (UTC) On 4/4/12 7:32 PM, Philip wrote: > Has anyone tried the LP2? Does it work? The description and price look great, but I'm hesitant to take the plunge. One of the reasons is the beating that it is taking over on The Gear Page forums: > > http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?th0349&page > > Most of you probably don't visit The Gear Page much, but I thought I would just give you guys a heads up. If any of you have tried the LP2 and find it to be a properly functioning looper, it may be nice to share your experiences over there. Because based on what I read over there, I don't think anyone will touch it. > > Philip I'm really loving mine, I have to say, but I helped to design it, so I may be prejudiced. Important, though, to say is that I think the beating it has taken at the Gear Page comes largely due to 3 things: 1) the incredibly long delay between announcing the unit and it's actual successful entry to the marketplace 2) the fact that Bob Amstadt was largely incommunicado for the past year due to the stress of his job, personal life and thwarted attempts (backordered parts, mostly) to get the unit to the marketplace due to his decision to get it working and shipping before he took care of the voluminous e-mails he was receiving. He took a calculated risk making this policy in an effort to get it to market and it was a risk that didn't help him with the vocal GearPage members who posted. 3) the fact that a few defects were missed in the first shippings, requiring Bob to replace or refund people's money. I, myself, had to wait a long time to get a properly working unit and I was first on the list to receive one. Towards that end, I wrote a very long explanatory message to the GearPage forum today addressing in great detail all of these issues. I'd direct you there to read it. ******************************* The fact, though, is the bugs have been worked out and Bob is already shipping units. I'm hoping in the next few busy weeks to begin making an online tutorial for how to use the looper for those in the future who wish to try it out. It still has amazing bang for the buck in a $300 looper. There's nothing close to it in the price range, no matter what is said about it. Is it perfect? No, but there never has been a perfect live looping machine. Does it do a hell of a lot for it's price. It sure does. I recommend it and am only sorry that a few people were unhappy with the lack of communication and the defective units that were sent out, initially. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 10:58:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03066183474; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 10:58:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=mpy9ngJxEelPXbyxyyfwOQW9ha7pWryHUCPy9chTifQ=; b=jfaAj6L7AINlhCkSfAW5zd+wtZ0fQRofGIRPEUgLUXFx0+ntvCtUiBGDUvR3UsIjhT Il7LDLMJvNIaNoUoTPDtVhVenS/dKddxajha7nt6CZ4UA7+MDeMHVBeuVlOB08Acpi+m wwQbi5ngddwN6OHcvfHhQdM1WU3IDg5xas7yKCkBr4jgjFXYgellK5TCxhC9D+vmQmtM 05Fed4r0qdiqTMdJ/maxIrwkkTkxm8xzn48y1XXLQMGr7CLwB9YEFCRv8VlSobxU2WRO AwoZuhtlBkMMVbudeVR6xEIoWzvpajcIf90nTlShhrNZfh9uJvloWY56FdR301flUjX8 5s8g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F7D758B.4010406@cruzio.com> References: <35DBAEA3-4B53-464B-93A6-761F831B1F3D@gmail.com> <4F7D758B.4010406@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:58:27 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looperlative LP2 From: Pawel Janowski To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b33c8ec6b151104bcec6b9f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 10:58:28 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b33c8ec6b151104bcec6b9f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mine is on my way to me. I do read TGP and I have to say I was a bit concerned about the sound quality comments (I don't need it to be super hi-fi as I mainly plan to use it for noisy looopy weirdness, but hearing that one member found it unuseable did worry me). Bob did send some sound clips of the audio quality in the pre-shipping email to me and although you can hear a bit of signal degradation, it should be more than adequate for my use. Also it's good to know that mine should be from the bug-free batches. It should be here in a week or so, so I'll post comments then. On 5 April 2012 11:35, Rick Walker wrote: > On 4/4/12 7:32 PM, Philip wrote: > >> Has anyone tried the LP2? Does it work? The description and price look >> great, but I'm hesitant to take the plunge. One of the reasons is the >> beating that it is taking over on The Gear Page forums: >> >> http://www.thegearpage.net/**board/showthread.php?th0349&**page >> Most of you probably don't visit The Gear Page much, but I thought I >> would just give you guys a heads up. If any of you have tried the LP2 and >> find it to be a properly functioning looper, it may be nice to share your >> experiences over there. Because based on what I read over there, I don't >> think anyone will touch it. >> >> Philip >> > I'm really loving mine, I have to say, but I helped to design it, so I may > be prejudiced. > > Important, though, to say is that I think the beating it has taken at the > Gear Page > comes largely due to 3 things: > > 1) the incredibly long delay between announcing the unit and it's actual > successful > entry to the marketplace > > 2) the fact that Bob Amstadt was largely incommunicado for the past year > due to > the stress of his job, personal life and thwarted attempts (backordered > parts, mostly) > to get the unit to the marketplace due to his decision to get it working > and shipping before > he took care of the voluminous e-mails he was receiving. He took a > calculated risk > making this policy in an effort to get it to market and it was a risk that > didn't help him > with the vocal GearPage members who posted. > > 3) the fact that a few defects were missed in the first shippings, > requiring Bob to replace > or refund people's money. I, myself, had to wait a long time to get a > properly working unit > and I was first on the list to receive one. > > Towards that end, I wrote a very long explanatory message to the GearPage > forum today addressing > in great detail all of these issues. > > I'd direct you there to read it. > > ********************************* > The fact, though, is the bugs have been worked out and Bob is already > shipping units. > > I'm hoping in the next few busy weeks to begin making an online tutorial > for how to use the looper for those in the future who wish to try it out. > > It still has amazing bang for the buck in a $300 looper. There's nothing > close to it > in the price range, no matter what is said about it. > > Is it perfect? No, but there never has been a perfect live looping > machine. > Does it do a hell of a lot for it's price. It sure does. > > I recommend it and am only sorry that a few people were unhappy with the > lack of communication > and the defective units that were sent out, initially. > > yours, Rick Walker > > --047d7b33c8ec6b151104bcec6b9f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mine is on my way to me. I do read TGP and I have to say I was a bit concer= ned about the sound quality comments (I don't need it to be super=A0hi-= fi as I mainly plan to=A0use it for noisy looopy weirdness, but hearing tha= t one member found it unuseable did worry me). Bob did send some sound clip= s of the audio quality in the pre-shipping email to me and although you can= hear a bit of signal degradation, it should be more=A0than adequate=A0for= =A0my use. Also it's good to know that mine should be from the bug-free= batches.=A0It should be here in a week or so, so I'll post comments th= en.=A0

On 5 April 2012 11:35, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com= > wrote:
On 4/4/12 7:32 PM, Philip wrote:
Has anyone tried the LP2? Does it work? The description and price look grea= t, but I'm hesitant to take the plunge. One of the reasons is the beati= ng that it is taking over on The Gear Page forums:

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread= .php?th0349&page
Most of you probably don't visit The Gear Page much, but I thought I wo= uld just give you guys a heads up. If any of you have tried the LP2 and fin= d it to be a properly functioning looper, it may be nice to share your expe= riences over there. Because based on what I read over there, I don't th= ink anyone will touch it.

Philip
I'm really loving mine, I have to say, but I helped to design it, so I = may be prejudiced.

Important, though, to say is that I think the beating it has taken at the G= ear Page
comes largely due to 3 things:

1) the incredibly long delay between announcing the unit and it's actua= l successful
entry to the marketplace

2) the fact that Bob Amstadt was largely incommunicado for the past year du= e to
the stress of his job, =A0personal life and thwarted attempts (backordered = parts, mostly)
to get the unit to the marketplace due to his decision to get it working an= d shipping before
he took care of the voluminous e-mails he was receiving. =A0He took a calcu= lated risk
making this policy in an effort to get it to market and it was a risk that = didn't help him
with the vocal GearPage members who posted.

3) the fact that a few defects were missed in the first shippings, =A0requi= ring Bob to replace
or refund people's money. =A0I, myself, had to wait a long time to get = a properly working unit
and I was first on the list to receive one.

Towards that end, I wrote a very long explanatory message to the GearPage f= orum today addressing
in great detail all of these issues.

I'd direct you there to read it.

*******************************
The fact, though, is the bugs have been worked out and Bob is already shipp= ing units.

I'm hoping in the next few busy weeks to begin making an online tutoria= l
for how to use the looper for those in the future who wish to try it out.
It still has amazing bang for the buck in a $300 looper. =A0 There's no= thing close to it
in the price range, no matter what is said about it.

Is it perfect? =A0 No, but there never has been a perfect live looping mach= ine.
Does it do a hell of a lot for it's price. =A0It sure does.

I recommend it and am only sorry that a few people were unhappy with the la= ck of communication
and the defective units that were sent out, initially.

yours, =A0 Rick Walker


--047d7b33c8ec6b151104bcec6b9f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 11:46:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E6C0183474; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:46:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 889709.60928.bm@omp1052.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1333626373; bh=o3QLHRVg8r+WceRWp2x85QAaJX/UHjX8DA0UydLgVMg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2f6/xdyvg573ivNcF4Lom/hdDY4znQX42PhTmEYSGRJHtVdy9GcBypw390SMWw9Zj4P/D63CPa7RNQ7Y2GCdxSpa68IJyRLCs+xXTsz/EnFpr1iCLOrc5wd9xf2wegvsOlN3Q7Hdd4DGEwNDFsBxp6aB1Wotpl0nj3UvsjNHc68= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jCfdcofFT9fz6rMz9geIxx5gxY2rmv5jy9pvGko5XoN4r+USlFSPN33NW7tGkkvtg4pqSRonVZBWDdD17PMGh23doHQjSRHpdgpyEHJHmwIJcYuLBxnXpC2ZJWqDk9ouVsZY1QKwaFnIxtL0JMlTevl4ZcDO1D5X8zCpenaoSxs=; X-YMail-OSG: K660zOAVM1k2vaGm7zXbXUywEG4PUDjJuxVeBgZa0_wCHn_ 4grT4clgFzeKkanFM4aZQgpz3lM446Vu2uGPP1J6QaD6bMJg0ntWFM7CFaYi h.Bk3bIQwROzwxwU33xcCzM9BsYHdMbb29Jdwt01X2_PVJqBwt.CyzsGoMLI drog2G8aeBYMRTzQFPVAQhump.7vrnPTsEVXbIBqF5ZFCJ2k7L8FC5wDZZ0n qcCIDibEAZsN39KzPUqA4XlKkLno8ShPJqthUvc1WFOgACq3BXJj_eJZgwlh YOZxLqNfI6Dk85QPiYUlVvJD486GMYQJJnObjPdxhY9e9AxXNonpGBzkOQpe bC3RpVagaocwePMij20nNdFBhYirjEvhB_gtdVT_yxueIzy9sVjzXIgpqCzg mCx2UH3MdxLGwbKDIIo.TnaiGlXmDino5QQbGuqVOogNYnsxp8dHJze2MpmX nO7jEjwFH07y6PdmBJ5gBRrcyjdZHeznUYMhjV3a5WPMp3AYJpI.uLg2E.dw Cj4_SBnuz6h6nEizjkk.DqdWsXDxgGiADNltokrw3r8BWqi.sggE1aV.Lx9E onomivLEAkZ3YLSeqWc8qVClRt.9VicZaxmGmqg-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 Message-ID: <1333626373.52761.YahooMailMobile@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 04:46:13 -0700 (PDT) From: taittinger91 To: taittinger91@yahoo.com, veuveclicquot@earthlink.net, customercare@nytimes.com, juliakent@earthlink.net, joshua.mr@gmail.com, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, airandoil@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-2084846315-398457955-1333626373=:52761" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:46:15 +0000 (UTC) ---2084846315-398457955-1333626373=:52761 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://c1.00364.com/blog.old/wp-content/plugins/extended-comment-options/tpfmngq.html ---2084846315-398457955-1333626373=:52761 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
---2084846315-398457955-1333626373=:52761-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 11:47:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E52A183465; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:47:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gcqV6Livc42DcfoU80le2lhpBkzxGNCLKcexfsvHoPU=; b=0voBooBMdokb9aEVzVmpABihJoZG7FDnwLmH7owo1sq+MIwoHcxCvLBeG8mEHhCBdO k6N/MwLUfdLX7Jrg3L9DXFE7cbaKO6KSGp3WmwOVMzImuaAUOpO7gesC1U+p9hai8CSr ZCtitGcJrczIbJX1cx9eUSv21/kvEucraCF337lFpZV+yxvb+Vz7htatRpNwQGFmpJJw mcCw/n1mCSj0IT0GrRp97TYQy9zNeuwI84IZfWyc8wIdB22eEY/MZsjkuqAruyrtQ+XM Tv+oKO6wCi6Da0+iRF4JLWoglCJcPXop9jQOCsesTYW8gQdr9t+7Y8UuTj6hmAfbLb5s MGMw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <229D9837-F0C9-4797-BCA0-E8EA0E276313@baymoon.com> References: <229D9837-F0C9-4797-BCA0-E8EA0E276313@baymoon.com> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 13:47:39 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: ADSR real time plug in? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:47:40 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 6:50 PM, William Walker wro= te: > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Does any one make an ADSR plugin that can be applied in rea= l time, ie > used during loop creation while recording, as apposed to just working as = a > post production App? Here is a sounding example of playing through the PSP N02 multi filter bank plugin. I backed down the Attack to give a smooth tone suitable for 8th notes as I do play here. You can hear that there is also a little filtering going on but I took off all resonance to minimize the filtering effect. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4963264/48k2x.mp3 You hear the PSP N02 best in the beginning before the chaotic Mobius looping starts. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 13:51:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9A4B183466; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 13:51:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=2tl4FNkPTQDd7a5HjBSnvAy0TWs0iH7jHBM9/c+RpK4=; b=Fl6WXpDOKQzrO7NoQK9uC5l4oLwLcL6cmL93XQyuS5U0hM5FfDHAq89kikgKrF0knv htiHxS488xOsYc128bQhWFkAP/g2RRTBBtDdAhqIfAAdYPnMDClJFtugdPqR+liCMmIV 7ihw/cgBdG45HT6dOAqkh/JsCSS0f88FOdamGck+O7i8uexhMqt445HHZqmpGSW+UXE8 vwO7Bm6rtd4AtxbedfdRYWNz1rDUSmpHYGE/ULV6eAUl0Rzq0Kw2C/dlw2brsgQoAdHx oRCgYLhnTGLOb1VcFg/o6bD2JZDeQvU4dUPnXOe8ZZsAZ0CujPbLFlF/tZ38aJSOYWiZ BatA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <35DBAEA3-4B53-464B-93A6-761F831B1F3D@gmail.com> From: Torben Scharling Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 15:50:42 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looperlative LP2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f234509478e0804bceed571 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 13:51:14 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f234509478e0804bceed571 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please sell me on the idea of the side car :D Got the rang III a month ago, still working it out, but obviously one annoying thing is that I have to decide which "effect" I want the two bonus buttons assigned to. Until now I've liked having one of them be erase, and the other loop 4 or reverse....but I'd like to have instant access to more than that without hitting the assign button. Anyway could you tell us a little about why we should get one, and more elaborative stuff of that kind? Thanks :) torbenscharling.com On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 4:45 AM, Bennett Williams < bennettwilliamsdrums@gmail.com> wrote: > Never tried a Looperlative product. I use a Boomerang III & Side Car, > which works great. > On Apr 4, 2012 10:32 PM, "Philip" wrote: > >> Has anyone tried the LP2? Does it work? The description and price look >> great, but I'm hesitant to take the plunge. One of the reasons is the >> beating that it is taking over on The Gear Page forums: >> >> http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=3D680349&page=3D10 >> >> Most of you probably don't visit The Gear Page much, but I thought I >> would just give you guys a heads up. If any of you have tried the LP2 an= d >> find it to be a properly functioning looper, it may be nice to share you= r >> experiences over there. Because based on what I read over there, I don't >> think anyone will touch it. >> >> Philip >> >> >> --=20 De Bedste Hilsner / Best Regards Torben Scharling - Mobile: +45 61 66 60 09 - e-mail: ts@torbenscharling.com --e89a8f234509478e0804bceed571 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please sell me on the idea of the side car :D Got the rang III a month ago,= still working it out, but obviously one annoying thing is that I have to d= ecide which "effect" I want the two bonus buttons assigned to. Un= til now I've liked having one of them be erase, and the other loop 4 or= reverse....but I'd like to have instant access to more than that witho= ut hitting the assign button. Anyway could you tell us a little about why w= e should get one, and more elaborative stuff of that kind?

Thanks :)

torbenscharling= .com

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 4:45 AM, = Bennett Williams <bennettwilliamsdrums@gmail.com> wrote:

Never tried a Looperlative product. I use= a Boomerang III & Side Car, which works great.

On Apr 4, 2012 10:32 PM, "Philip" <= philip.ojc@gmail.= com> wrote:
Has anyone tried the LP2? Does it work? The description and price look grea= t, but I'm hesitant to take the plunge. One of the reasons is the beati= ng that it is taking over on The Gear Page forums:

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php= ?t=3D680349&page=3D10

Most of you probably don't visit The Gear Page much, but I thought I wo= uld just give you guys a heads up. If any of you have tried the LP2 and fin= d it to be a properly functioning looper, it may be nice to share your expe= riences over there. Because based on what I read over there, I don't th= ink anyone will touch it.

Philip





--
De Bedste Hilsner / Bes= t Regards

Torben Scharling - Mobile:=A0+45 61 66 60 09 - = e-mail:=A0ts@torbenscharling.com



--e89a8f234509478e0804bceed571-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 14:42:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 616DB183475; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 14:42:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=OEgRQquAsiD3JpKzezl+NpSsYYp50r4nc7ddLB+NRBU=; b=lmcw177ypcWSpo7XjaRqLlMxPV0oXZ/wGfXI/DRvR+tkiUxi2ceSRX9Q38NLvmSmLk pGzr9RqWA03wcdnI0ax26K+PC7yt/mZeJZqjmoNXW++g/sLEXqskPomW8s9cMTqFsEjf TVQQ6NX4lSJTjNGRr4vOY4WovOzgrUvYqc0EzYs9dgA1COW2G1oUPFTuCgZ3NXxz7B8L wWoEAJSqbek4tpgUViuiKbxQFtQK3PY8j9ziJ1r/uVLpVS7NqSQRyWyH6knU0Sk2CtqQ U/QToBSWetko5gfOTqoOHsydO3mU0Z8YYkzIQcUn1y3H/KcqdiR8NhpRTfLBd7E2Dk0M ELtA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <35DBAEA3-4B53-464B-93A6-761F831B1F3D@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 10:42:24 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looperlative LP2 From: Bennett Williams To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f2357eb5c5f3004bcef8c17 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 14:42:26 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f2357eb5c5f3004bcef8c17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DEFINITELY get the side car!!! With the Side Car, you can assign the yellow bonus button on the Boomerang to Loop#4, and then you still have three bonus buttons left, along with all of the regular play/stop/erase buttons, etc., on the Side Car. It is worth every penny to spend the extra cash for the Side Car if you are a looping artist. It really opens up all of the possibilities that the Boomerang can do. The only bad thing I can say is that with the Boomerang and Side Car, you have two really big pedals on the floor now. I decided to put mine on a pedalboard, get a Voodoo Labs Digital power supply, and a few other pedals, and now the looping gear is all in one place & connected. Check out the link: https://plus.google.com/photos/110438867527796473566/albums/572792574366047= 9297 -Bennett On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Torben Scharling wrote: > Please sell me on the idea of the side car :D Got the rang III a month > ago, still working it out, but obviously one annoying thing is that I hav= e > to decide which "effect" I want the two bonus buttons assigned to. Until > now I've liked having one of them be erase, and the other loop 4 or > reverse....but I'd like to have instant access to more than that without > hitting the assign button. Anyway could you tell us a little about why we > should get one, and more elaborative stuff of that kind? > > Thanks :) > > torbenscharling.com > > On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 4:45 AM, Bennett Williams < > bennettwilliamsdrums@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Never tried a Looperlative product. I use a Boomerang III & Side Car, >> which works great. >> On Apr 4, 2012 10:32 PM, "Philip" wrote: >> >>> Has anyone tried the LP2? Does it work? The description and price look >>> great, but I'm hesitant to take the plunge. One of the reasons is the >>> beating that it is taking over on The Gear Page forums: >>> >>> http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=3D680349&page=3D10 >>> >>> Most of you probably don't visit The Gear Page much, but I thought I >>> would just give you guys a heads up. If any of you have tried the LP2 a= nd >>> find it to be a properly functioning looper, it may be nice to share yo= ur >>> experiences over there. Because based on what I read over there, I don'= t >>> think anyone will touch it. >>> >>> Philip >>> >>> >>> > > > -- > De Bedste Hilsner / Best Regards > > Torben Scharling - Mobile: +45 61 66 60 09 - e-mail: > ts@torbenscharling.com > > > > > --=20 Bennett Williams http://www.bennettwilliams.net --e89a8f2357eb5c5f3004bcef8c17 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DEFINITELY get the side car!!! With the Side Car, you can assign the yellow= bonus button on the Boomerang to Loop#4, and then you still have three bon= us buttons left, along with all of the regular play/stop/erase buttons, etc= ., on the Side Car. It is worth every penny to spend the extra cash for the= Side Car if you are a looping artist. It really opens up all of the possib= ilities that the Boomerang can do.

The only bad thing I can say is that with the Boomerang and Side Car, y= ou have two really big pedals on the floor now. I decided to put mine on a = pedalboard, get a Voodoo Labs Digital power supply, and a few other pedals,= and now the looping gear is all in one place & connected. Check out th= e link:

https://plus.google.com/photos/110438867527796473566/a= lbums/5727925743660479297

-Bennett

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Torben Scharling <torbenscharling@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
Please sell me on the idea of the side car :D Got the rang III a month ago,= still working it out, but obviously one annoying thing is that I have to d= ecide which "effect" I want the two bonus buttons assigned to. Un= til now I've liked having one of them be erase, and the other loop 4 or= reverse....but I'd like to have instant access to more than that witho= ut hitting the assign button. Anyway could you tell us a little about why w= e should get one, and more elaborative stuff of that kind?

Thanks :)

torbenscharling.com

On Thu, Apr 5,= 2012 at 4:45 AM, Bennett Williams <bennettwilliamsdrums@gmai= l.com> wrote:

Never tried a Looperlative product. I use= a Boomerang III & Side Car, which works great.

On Apr 4, 2012 10:32 PM, "Philip" <= philip.ojc@gmail.= com> wrote:
Has anyone tried the LP2? Does it work? The description and price look grea= t, but I'm hesitant to take the plunge. One of the reasons is the beati= ng that it is taking over on The Gear Page forums:

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php= ?t=3D680349&page=3D10

Most of you probably don't visit The Gear Page much, but I thought I wo= uld just give you guys a heads up. If any of you have tried the LP2 and fin= d it to be a properly functioning looper, it may be nice to share your expe= riences over there. Because based on what I read over there, I don't th= ink anyone will touch it.

Philip





--
De Bedste Hilsner / Best Regards
=

Torben Scharling - Mobile:=A0+45 61 66 60 09 - e-m= ail:=A0ts@torbenscharling.com

=





--
Bennett W= illiams
http://www.bennettwil= liams.net
--e89a8f2357eb5c5f3004bcef8c17-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 14:59:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB2F1183462; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 14:59:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <8FB504D4-0E3C-492F-8727-7D9D0978BBCF@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: ADSR real time plug in? Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 07:59:15 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <5TDzxC.A.3gD.KNbfPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 14:59:22 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for chiming in all i already have a hardware solution as my fireworx as a full blown ADSR if I'm playing live I can run the loops through that, the i haven't really done the sound design yet for that particular preset effect. Andy the reason I wasn't crazy about the Piggy PK was its release point was fixed and a bit too slow causing me to false trigger more easily than with the line 6 M-5 auto-volume preset which is more forgiving. The problem is I'm a bit fed up with several things about the line 6 stuff so I'm looking for another front end solution for this effect and also a software solution for when I'm running separate loop tracks from the LP-1 in to the computer. a conceptual example would be this: I strum a series of big full voiced dramatic chords. And really hit them hard, surf music style with lots of whammy shimmer, when i end my loop of this chord sequence the loop is processed through the ADSR so that it sounds like a volume swelled chord sequence. i know there is a great delay on the market the strymon timeline that does this effect really well tied to its delay, but its a several month waiting list and $450 buckos, or a few hundred higher if you want to buy it from a scalper on E-bay. what a weird phenomena, pedal scalping. by this I mean guys who jack up the price of hard to get and in demand custom made pedals, to sell to the gear heads with no patience and disposable income. hey mark never tried that Pic-o volume morley mutant but i remember them , have you tried a Youtube search? Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 15:12:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C9A2183475; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 15:12:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=59l6uA6KY0qtGIYXJPsiMOOC1RvgfYLtAnlo4Fr9804=; b=gKr+q2xkPAWY18wZpHn2XQjKUYSA1fHkvWaR4dzI2JbGsmLy/ODnKewpesnkVSHXvM 6IWYg2d3DLOdgAgWZSxyTbxmZr3vZj5JXuR1JhP9Dm4EhQ0P4Zw1ufOJSNWBKyHd/Xot Hw6Ygfuy1TLMh4l3kXTWxQZX6yEtTy3glQGkBwbDRaxCyAz3w5FDSgNk//ovgNh/5wcm ZEmFi721YR7g5dbeuzpXeSCYeXuv1saKcqeuOKdxYSPbUWQXNnJGiSKbY4xoO0C2UEV/ yf46l8CJR4D93WTA7F3Jzi3zDa2Ga4Ac+gg5UzzFjoYot5jBhIVpyrfkNd9ejPkuV6P5 i9mw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 18:12:26 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sharing album stream "Love 4 Glitch" on streamnets From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec521580bc8434a04bceff725 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 15:12:28 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec521580bc8434a04bceff725 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Such versatile work! Thanks for sharing Per! 2012/4/3 Per Boysen > On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Ricky Graham > wrote: > > Cool, Per :) I like track 2! > > > Thank, Ricky. That track is funny because it actually is a failure. I > just couldn't get the guitar sound I wanted and as a "plan B way out > solution" turned to that heavy 16th note tremolo on the two guitar > tracks. I used an Epiphone Les Paul with Lace Alumitone humbuckers > with extremely thick strings tuned down a fourth to research how it > worked. Didn't work out as I had hoped, so now I keep that guitar with > 0.10 strings at traditional pitch, which makes it "sing" and resonate > better. You really need long strings and a long neck/scale to "go > un-wimpy" at a low pitch. There also is a limit to how thick strings > will still sound good at a given scale length. Too thick strings sound > more "clunky" and we don't like that do we! The Stick I played the > bass line with on that tune has a 36" scale and that sounds perfect. > Some day I would love to pick up a guitar like the 8 stringed here: > http://www.ranguitars.com/ran_models/crusher > > Listening to the Isis albums and adoring that texturizing tone. I > mean, certain instruments have a voice that no matter what complex > melodies or riffs you play on it the musical listening experience > tends to go "textural". I want to explore that. Another, very > different, example is Ron Jarzombek. He uses normal scale 7 str > guitars I think but builds them himself. Anyway, when he plays those > twelve tone based super fast runs it comes out very textural. > > Take a deep breath 'cauze they are ugly like hell: > http://www.ronjarzombek.com/gtrs.html > and here's how they sound: > http://youtu.be/jpoL0QBKxHA > > Not to mention Robert Smith... > > Per > "Longnecks Against Travel Guitars" ;-) > > -- Petri --bcaec521580bc8434a04bceff725 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Such versatile work! Thanks for sharing Per!

2012/4/3 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Ricky Graham <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com> w= rote:
> Cool, Per :) I like track 2!


Thank, Ricky. That track is funny because it actually is a failure. I=
just couldn't get the guitar sound I wanted and as a "plan B way o= ut
solution" turned to that heavy 16th note tremolo on the two guitar
tracks. I used an Epiphone Les Paul with Lace Alumitone humbuckers
with extremely thick strings tuned down a fourth to research how it
worked. Didn't work out as I had hoped, so now I keep that guitar with<= br> 0.10 strings at traditional pitch, which makes it "sing" and reso= nate
better. You really need long strings and a long neck/scale to "go
un-wimpy" at a low pitch. There also is a limit to how thick strings will still sound good at a given scale length. Too thick strings sound
more "clunky" and we don't like that do we! The Stick I playe= d the
bass line with on that tune has a 36" scale and that sounds perfect. Some day I would love to pick up a guitar like the 8 stringed here:
= http://www.ranguitars.com/ran_models/crusher

Listening to the Isis albums and adoring that texturizing tone. I
mean, certain instruments have a voice that no matter what complex
melodies or riffs you play on it the musical listening experience
tends to go "textural". I want to explore that. Another, very
different, example is Ron Jarzombek. He uses normal scale 7 str
guitars I think but builds them himself. Anyway, when he plays those
twelve tone based super fast runs it comes out very textural.

Take a deep breath 'cauze they are ugly like hell:
http://= www.ronjarzombek.com/gtrs.html
and here's how they sound:
http://youtu.be/j= poL0QBKxHA

Not to mention Robert Smith...

Per
"Longnecks Against Travel Guitars" ;-)




--
Petri


--bcaec521580bc8434a04bceff725-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 15:24:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86DF5183478; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 15:24:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=bXl5XkYGlA+C+TFuHDhGfvnSoF8N4mi7CMAIVhfcUk4=; b=t2r0pn2o9TimvXWGo6WKMOEpYaTeV96B2GRoCQlMzkJdnVgJ8r99Avc8Zq9y2s57iA ZMWAvPQJNjLpS095ZKexfFUnpeafK7TaTlViu765z8cgWYlildILmrAHsqw/KKi2++W8 d63c9DV08J2q1MXRJfwIkU1Kqfox3jPzm0Z3HhB1VwlzBq1Nh18S/6YOpusqkyUE8Qg6 BUjA+CCFF3NjHOLo3N4KjaCPGK9yw1yHkxp6Gutpu4oyxTLVnKrFIxwDvUJAYIgl5Bq5 CXqUjH6XQoTIxGpoO03BwP06LAONlOZ/cHEyaX58gEZNNfyY1kAAkQw2mBo+621J34hN Ba4g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1514455882-1333573501-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1734192232-@b2.c1.bise6.blackberry> References: <4F7B4F5E.4070803@cruzio.com> <1514455882-1333573501-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1734192232-@b2.c1.bise6.blackberry> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 18:24:12 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Teach Yourself about Time (Part One): Using live looping From: Petri Lahtinen To: monzelledozier@gmail.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec52c6a4fcd6e6104bcf0218a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 15:24:13 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec52c6a4fcd6e6104bcf0218a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Rick for this post! How's that another post coming up...? ;-) 2012/4/5 > ::slow clap:: Rick, thank you for unloading that info to the public > consciousness. I swear, LD needs to be converted to a book. There are > volumes of information shared here, and that is very much appreciated. > Seeing that no book or resource exists besides this forum, I commend you > for the consistency of simply being there for the loop community. Being > new to the world of looping, this maybe be old to some, but to me I am > completely overwhelmed by the information here (Time to upgrade the Menta= l > CPU). Thank you! > Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Walker > Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 12:28:30 > To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Teach Yourself about Time (Part One): Using live looping > > In a lot of interviews I've given about live looping I frequently > mention that I have learned more about the concept of time and > timing from playing with loops than even playing with multiple master > drummers from around the planet (with their very distinctive and > idiosyncratic > approaches to 'feel' in timing) or to playing with click tracks, drum > machines > or synthesizer sequencers. > > I'm fond of trying to teach myself and my students to really deeply liste= n > to what is being played, viz. a vis timing. > > Human beings naturally project onto reality. We have a tendency to > hear what we really want to hear, intentionally, rather than hearing what > we've actually played. > > It is also possible for us to hear someone who is playing 'behind the bea= t' > or 'ahead of the beat' and to think of it as a musical and valid approach= . > To play too far behind the beat causes the music to 'drag' and be perceiv= ed > as a mistake. Playing to much ahead of the beat, causes the music to > 'rush' > creating yet another kind of mistake. > > There is, therefore, certain amount of perceptual leeway that we consider > musical even though it is quantized/metronomic-ally inaccurate > > Looping provides us with a truly stellar way to start learning how to > listen > and to 'hear' what is really being played, even if it is slightly > inaccurate, viz. a vis > a quantized metronomic approach. > > If you make a loop that is lumpy (say the downbeat of the bar is really > awkwardly > played too late) it is a really good thing to listen deeply to your > mistake and > then to learn how to play to it as if it WASN'T a mistake. > > I showed this example at a PASIC clinic on live looping once, where I > purposefully > recorded a loop that had awful downbeat timing......enough to make a famo= us > studio drummer groan causing everyone to laugh. By overdubbing a few > times and putting long envelope sounds over the 'mistake', however, > suddenly this horrible loop sounded musical again. > > In this case, the listeners were able to have a reasonable suspension of > disbelief > in hearing the 'new' loop that I had created. They bought the piece as > musical > but only because I had 'learned' the mistake and made a conscious effort > to obscure > it. > > Many kinds of regional rhythmic feels from around the world, are merely > slight deviations from what people would call 'quantized' metronomic > time and, on some > levels, also allow us to have a reasonable suspension of disbelief. > > What this means is that it is possible by being able to stretch one's > playing....allowing us to > play to what is actually a 'mistake' in our loop and do it in a way that > is musical. > > Here's a fun exercise to begin preparing to 'fix' inaccurate loops > whilst playing live: > > 1) create a single bar loop and purposefully slow down slight as you > truncate your loop > on the downbeat. Keep the loop running and sit down and really listen > to it. > > Now see if you can play another rhythmic part that purposefully aligns > with the 'mistake' you've > created. > > 2) Do this several times (wonderful if your looper has an undo > feature---make an overdub > that 'fit's musically with your lumpy loop and then undo it and try again= ). > > Now see if you can freely solo over this new feel you have created. > > 3) Do the same exercise and see if you can speed up as you truncate your > loop inaccurately. > > 4) repeat step 2. > > > As you play these exercise get more outrageous with how lumpy your loop > is. Even if this sounds > highly un-musical (even comedic) keep pushing the boundaries of playing > behind or ahead of the > downbeat as you make your purposefully inaccurate loop. > > If you do this enough times, then suddenly, try making a normal loop. > You'll find that your accuracy is much greater for having practiced > these exercises. > > Be fearless! Really learn how to listen to the inaccuracies in your > loops. If you can really > discern how they vary from the ideal of a quantized/metronomic time, > you will > gain some mad skills at being able to play with anyone or any loop. > > Just for fun, listen to the amazing German drummer Marco Minnemann as > he plays to random > cartoon dialogue that is looped. He is playing to what is happening > rhythmically. > I doesn't necessarily fit to any grid but you can impose a grid over the > examples and come up with something that is musical. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DMHft4OR7Rus > > Rick Walker > > --=20 Petri --bcaec52c6a4fcd6e6104bcf0218a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Rick for this post!

How's that another post coming up...?=A0 ;-)


2012/4/5 <monzelledozier@gmail.com>
::slow clap:: Rick, thank you for unloading that info to the public conscio= usness. I swear, LD needs to be converted to a book. There are volumes of i= nformation shared here, and that is very much appreciated. Seeing that no b= ook or resource exists besides this forum, I commend you for the consistenc= y of simply being there for the loop community. =A0Being new to the world o= f looping, this maybe be old to some, but to me I am completely overwhelmed= by the information here (Time to upgrade the Mental CPU). Thank you!
Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Walker <looppool@cruzi= o.com>
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 12:28:30
To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)<Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Reply-To: Loopers-De= light@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Teach Yourself about Time (Part One): =A0Using live looping

In a lot of interviews I've given about live looping I frequently
mention that I have learned more about the concept of time and
timing from playing with loops than even playing with multiple master
drummers from around the planet (with their very distinctive and
idiosyncratic
approaches to 'feel' in timing) or to playing with click tracks, = =A0drum
machines
or synthesizer sequencers.

I'm fond of trying to teach myself and my students to really deeply lis= ten
to what is being played, viz. a vis =A0timing.

Human beings naturally project onto reality. =A0 We have a tendency to
hear what we really want to hear, intentionally, rather than hearing what we've actually played.

It is also possible for us to hear someone who is playing 'behind the b= eat'
or 'ahead of the beat' and to think of it as a musical and valid ap= proach.
To play too far behind the beat causes the music to 'drag' and be p= erceived
as a mistake. =A0Playing to much ahead of the beat, causes the music to
'rush'
creating yet another kind of mistake.

There is, therefore, certain amount of perceptual leeway that we consider musical even though it is quantized/metronomic-ally inaccurate

Looping provides us with a truly stellar way to start learning how to
listen
and to 'hear' what is really being played, even if it is slightly inaccurate, viz. a vis
a quantized metronomic approach.

If you make a loop that is lumpy (say the downbeat of the bar is really
awkwardly
played too late) it is a really good thing to listen deeply to your
mistake and
then to learn how to play to it as if it WASN'T a mistake.

I showed this example at a PASIC clinic on live looping once, =A0where I purposefully
recorded a loop that had awful downbeat timing......enough to make a famous=
studio drummer groan causing everyone to laugh. By overdubbing a few
times and putting long envelope sounds over the 'mistake', however,=
suddenly this horrible loop sounded musical again.

In this case, the listeners were able to have a reasonable suspension of disbelief
in hearing the 'new' loop that I had created. =A0 They bought the p= iece as
musical
but only because I had 'learned' the mistake and made a conscious e= ffort
to obscure
it.

=A0 Many kinds of regional rhythmic feels from around the world, are merel= y
slight deviations from what people would call 'quantized' metronomi= c
time and, on some
levels, =A0also allow us to have a reasonable suspension of disbelief.

What this means is that it is possible by being able to stretch one's playing....allowing us to
play to what is actually a 'mistake' in our loop and do it in a way= that
is musical.

Here's a fun exercise to begin preparing to 'fix' =A0inaccurate= loops
whilst playing live:

1) create a single bar loop and purposefully slow down slight as you
truncate your loop
on the downbeat. =A0 =A0Keep the loop running and sit down and really liste= n
to it.

Now see if you can play another rhythmic part that purposefully aligns
with the 'mistake' you've
created.

2) Do this several times (wonderful if your looper has an undo
feature---make an overdub
that 'fit's musically with your lumpy loop and then undo it and try= again).

Now see if you can freely solo over this new feel you have created.

3) Do the same exercise and see if you can speed up as you truncate your loop inaccurately.

4) =A0repeat step 2.


As you play these exercise get more outrageous with how lumpy your loop
is. =A0 Even if this sounds
highly un-musical (even comedic) keep pushing the boundaries of playing
behind or ahead of the
downbeat as you make your purposefully inaccurate loop.

If you do this enough times, =A0then suddenly, =A0try making a normal loop.=
You'll find that your accuracy is much greater for having practiced
these exercises.

Be fearless! =A0 Really learn how to listen to the inaccuracies in your
loops. =A0If you can really
discern how they vary from the ideal of a quantized/metronomic time,
you will
gain some mad skills at being able to play with anyone or any loop.

Just for fun, =A0listen to the amazing German drummer Marco Minnemann as he plays to random
cartoon dialogue that is looped. =A0 =A0He is playing to what is happening<= br> rhythmically.
I doesn't necessarily fit to any grid but you can impose a grid over th= e
examples and come up with something that is musical.

= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DMHft4OR7Rus

Rick Walker




--
Petri
<= br>
--bcaec52c6a4fcd6e6104bcf0218a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 15:32:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C9E9183473; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 15:32:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=WTIBH9EddYBF6KuoK865XABX+Haa9sdtTvmIZ6z+Itk=; b=noaQddlm1EO5ow9UuSzcOcdGyMZPIXnWb3hrugoU9/LQM0SMebUBBQc2o2YUEs6WGY 5i4ERK4w0yNUl7n0kQq/n6zLj0OffmADCXWrvRmt/FYwVzRJMH5SSOMugef1x7kj/tVb CW7yTh+cqHmlK8O3I3OQEYqHHeuK/w9WbFkfAYm/EEdIV86kDfM4+vhoKIfBIEhONRmX gIP8s8NpIrC71L0JjXqTix1/YmGK8UPKl0qDA/lVTAjPvD/7xT1SGDHFj7tQe+nujNug Y1rUGZ+nuoZBmteEABkmnfOI0/5hTRXwl6dzQ9G/LGH/oCRKrAx1ThwIPfbpEyTlQph8 BAZg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 18:32:01 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sharing album stream "Love 4 Glitch" on streamnets From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174bdf02c6f35704bcf03d27 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 15:32:02 +0000 (UTC) --0015174bdf02c6f35704bcf03d27 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 There were quite "boomy" bass frequencies on "Distorted beauty" on 2:00 min mark, but maybe my stereo system is just not capable of playing them cleanly. But all in all, really nice textures and pieces - "Dance steps in detroit" was my favourite :-) --0015174bdf02c6f35704bcf03d27 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There were quite "boomy" bass frequencies on "Distorted beau= ty" on 2:00 min mark,
but maybe my stereo system is just not capabl= e of playing them cleanly.
But all in all, really nice textures and piec= es - "Dance steps in detroit" was my favourite :-)
--0015174bdf02c6f35704bcf03d27-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 15:51:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D5DD183475; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 15:51:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=ohQnQnRBTAeizHdtzmo693GkbyR7jgE2lafKu1sVxGQ=; b=Fw4bY3BxQT2NylzdiTy7nhuRP5dmBTpi+8pZZs7JZ/IswlCNCsaBl5El64Be+aZ9dH 06ToM0EZDJh+XavqL1vtUIahAbaG/4e1URASGDxGHsqPs/PB8+P5qAGbhhd5Po0W8g8M FhiWvWOYLVmguqo1RHqLCtHRLpAGrCoxlNmpSRQ+sOa/0qo6uCAv0cUk+21jhSyPXkuN 6k+9m54uZTLAVytRrB1vdqzOEhSUwkt261Vh4j0PIQVt0XSoAV8Fo7i85GULDoo4Pbll aLWex9QhKDwZM5IknYcUK2rs/8HNefuysoDO5g04ft02S27mPIwip9YlNLUn6wbgp3sb pqJw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <35DBAEA3-4B53-464B-93A6-761F831B1F3D@gmail.com> From: Torben Scharling Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:51:17 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looperlative LP2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04088d7b120c9504bcf0856a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 15:51:59 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04088d7b120c9504bcf0856a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds like it really completes the package...gotta get me one asap.. nice looking board btw. :) thanks, /Torben Scharling On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Bennett Williams < bennettwilliamsdrums@gmail.com> wrote: > DEFINITELY get the side car!!! With the Side Car, you can assign the > yellow bonus button on the Boomerang to Loop#4, and then you still have > three bonus buttons left, along with all of the regular play/stop/erase > buttons, etc., on the Side Car. It is worth every penny to spend the extr= a > cash for the Side Car if you are a looping artist. It really opens up all > of the possibilities that the Boomerang can do. > > The only bad thing I can say is that with the Boomerang and Side Car, you > have two really big pedals on the floor now. I decided to put mine on a > pedalboard, get a Voodoo Labs Digital power supply, and a few other pedal= s, > and now the looping gear is all in one place & connected. Check out the > link: > > > https://plus.google.com/photos/110438867527796473566/albums/5727925743660= 479297 > > -Bennett > > > On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Torben Scharling < > torbenscharling@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Please sell me on the idea of the side car :D Got the rang III a month >> ago, still working it out, but obviously one annoying thing is that I ha= ve >> to decide which "effect" I want the two bonus buttons assigned to. Until >> now I've liked having one of them be erase, and the other loop 4 or >> reverse....but I'd like to have instant access to more than that without >> hitting the assign button. Anyway could you tell us a little about why w= e >> should get one, and more elaborative stuff of that kind? >> >> Thanks :) >> >> torbenscharling.com >> >> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 4:45 AM, Bennett Williams < >> bennettwilliamsdrums@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Never tried a Looperlative product. I use a Boomerang III & Side Car, >>> which works great. >>> On Apr 4, 2012 10:32 PM, "Philip" wrote: >>> >>>> Has anyone tried the LP2? Does it work? The description and price look >>>> great, but I'm hesitant to take the plunge. One of the reasons is the >>>> beating that it is taking over on The Gear Page forums: >>>> >>>> http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=3D680349&page=3D10 >>>> >>>> Most of you probably don't visit The Gear Page much, but I thought I >>>> would just give you guys a heads up. If any of you have tried the LP2 = and >>>> find it to be a properly functioning looper, it may be nice to share y= our >>>> experiences over there. Because based on what I read over there, I don= 't >>>> think anyone will touch it. >>>> >>>> Philip >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> -- >> De Bedste Hilsner / Best Regards >> >> Torben Scharling - Mobile: +45 61 66 60 09 - e-mail: >> ts@torbenscharling.com >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Bennett Williams > http://www.bennettwilliams.net > --=20 De Bedste Hilsner / Best Regards Torben Scharling - Mobile: +45 61 66 60 09 - e-mail: ts@torbenscharling.com --f46d04088d7b120c9504bcf0856a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds like it really completes the package...gotta get me one asap.. nice = looking board btw. :)

thanks,

/Torben Scharling

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Bennett Williams <bennettw= illiamsdrums@gmail.com> wrote:
DEFINITELY get the side car!!! With the Side= Car, you can assign the yellow bonus button on the Boomerang to Loop#4, an= d then you still have three bonus buttons left, along with all of the regul= ar play/stop/erase buttons, etc., on the Side Car. It is worth every penny = to spend the extra cash for the Side Car if you are a looping artist. It re= ally opens up all of the possibilities that the Boomerang can do.

The only bad thing I can say is that with the Boomerang and Side Car, y= ou have two really big pedals on the floor now. I decided to put mine on a = pedalboard, get a Voodoo Labs Digital power supply, and a few other pedals,= and now the looping gear is all in one place & connected. Check out th= e link:

https://plus.google.com/photos/11043= 8867527796473566/albums/5727925743660479297

-Bennett


On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Torben Scharling <torbenscharling@= gmail.com> wrote:
Please sell me on the idea of the side car :D Got the rang III a month ago,= still working it out, but obviously one annoying thing is that I have to d= ecide which "effect" I want the two bonus buttons assigned to. Un= til now I've liked having one of them be erase, and the other loop 4 or= reverse....but I'd like to have instant access to more than that witho= ut hitting the assign button. Anyway could you tell us a little about why w= e should get one, and more elaborative stuff of that kind?

Thanks :)

torbenscharling.com

On Thu, Apr 5,= 2012 at 4:45 AM, Bennett Williams <bennettwilliamsdrums@gmai= l.com> wrote:

Never tried a Looperlative product. I use= a Boomerang III & Side Car, which works great.

On Apr 4, 2012 10:32 PM, "Philip" <= philip.ojc@gmail.= com> wrote:
Has anyone tried the LP2? Does it work? The description and price look grea= t, but I'm hesitant to take the plunge. One of the reasons is the beati= ng that it is taking over on The Gear Page forums:

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php= ?t=3D680349&page=3D10

Most of you probably don't visit The Gear Page much, but I thought I wo= uld just give you guys a heads up. If any of you have tried the LP2 and fin= d it to be a properly functioning looper, it may be nice to share your expe= riences over there. Because based on what I read over there, I don't th= ink anyone will touch it.

Philip





--
De Bedste Hilsner / Best Regards

Tor= ben Scharling - Mobile:=A0+45 61 66 60 09 - e-mail:=A0ts@torbenschar= ling.com

=





--
Bennett Williams
http://www.bennettw= illiams.net



--
De Bedste= Hilsner / Best Regards

Torben Scharling - Mobile:=A0+45 = 61 66 60 09 - e-mail:=A0ts@torbenscharling.com



--f46d04088d7b120c9504bcf0856a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 15:58:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE767183473; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 15:58:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <35DBAEA3-4B53-464B-93A6-761F831B1F3D@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RANG SIDE CAR.....was Re: Looperlative LP2 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CEE15BFFF62D51_19B4_137E72_webmail-stg-d15.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35834-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEE15BFFA79FD0-19B4-5062A@webmail-stg-d15.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [70.17.161.87] Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:57:56 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1333641476; bh=0BVy3u1GDoLW5jJ8ETFwX9GQvEWwx6xH5/EQvdpnV7E=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HXt9JXZnFtb21yhDa44AgsGtcl0UOykBLfiCdvyUT2yYX20dq8YNQoVV5YpLOgt2c v0PFMSbV/DbM0zMW3CsGw7IJxm9w/pr4/P/i17bcbNpYGL9avd7QB8hr6Bq4Qqp8TG LbxRE2qidsPPOwMG4NBoxGK99HDFhZ+knF7IQp0E= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:383529536:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c94f7dc1043a20 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 15:58:04 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CEE15BFFF62D51_19B4_137E72_webmail-stg-d15.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" SWEET SET UP!!!!!.....how do you like the SPACE box?.....my corncern with t= he RANG III + SIDE CAR is the number of steps one has to go thru to get things done, i haven't got my head totally around it yet and= will have to snuggle up with the manual (AGAIN).....but i do believe that = the SIDE CAR opens up the RANG'S abilities cornsiderably! https://plus.google.com/photos/110438867527796473566/albums/572792574366047= 9297 -Bennett =20 ----------MB_8CEE15BFFF62D51_19B4_137E72_webmail-stg-d15.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" SWEET SET UP!!!!!.....how do you li= ke the SPACE box?.....my corncern with the RANG III + SIDE CAR is the numbe= r of steps one has to

go thru to get things done= , i haven't got my head totally around it yet and will have to snuggle up w= ith the manual (AGAIN).....but i do believe that the SIDE CAR

opens up the RANG'S abilit= ies cornsiderably!


 ----------MB_8CEE15BFFF62D51_19B4_137E72_webmail-stg-d15.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 16:03:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2B20183474; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 16:03:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=mP7/vdJTVz3i6l4tViQ9sI9293AVQ06Fgo0pIVSkVtw=; b=ysQtvz2tHTlvBNJcn+LMx7T7dvAsNudX1Kb/SpEzkiyVgqWnTH2w/ABF5BgDNQ1Ktx BDIoRc9dQbumCtv3nJglf2bKsHBh12lysKFZWZ15ZtU90My75Layfo4HY4XyxY8crh/a ex35HlAJrJGF5jUs5rnvTgYV2CED4TBRGVWfVaKRGM8e/dpcQhx/gtIfguzj4EQbAKGX sQS4y1E6tcr3nIo/pu4QruVdV/V8MjXZ1g3famqN8D6JdYxd5ylIOAgKoN6rpLeaV5bC ek0eqqPhJGOKe0xspqAy3qlF3cnY6psqVTK7eecn9Iq102es6CAwZuplPm7x1G/iuMki RReA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 18:03:46 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sharing album stream "Love 4 Glitch" on streamnets From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 16:03:47 +0000 (UTC) Thank you for the boom note, Petri! I appreciate the feedback on how it sounds on your system. The mix has no particular resonance peak around 2.00 and is well within the limits for playback on a normal system so I guess the bass happens to be in resonance with your speakers. I have good full range speakers here that play back everything pretty close to how it is mixed but my windows has an awful resonance tendency around 200 Hz. The start shattering like the house is going to fall down and since I don't want to scare the life out of my neighbor's three dogs upstairs I dive at the volume fader when that mechanical phenomenon starts ;-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > There were quite "boomy" bass frequencies on "Distorted beauty" on 2:00 min > mark, > but maybe my stereo system is just not capable of playing them cleanly. > But all in all, really nice textures and pieces - "Dance steps in detroit" > was my favourite :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 16:08:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37559183477; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 16:08:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=znyHWm9kAWP7iMq8yL/zLFBX7Uo4bj1ZJBv8XztnnVo=; b=LNV/cIxPWnUvTF46JZ1zdzaVdYs1Gr+7eLGgvf/9FMRdqoIuzDOX2hBt4BVOep7tqr DrVgAR2y0q8c3lOP+C/2O4DrpqQkJHiKW4cOguL2cm/Mw7Fl2dBP4Exj7Ok4SU4cNHOb N5R6MUAmsCUM84uM9f+QhJmPYaSOjAuyPVcxnFlH6W/e4bG5M8dV47FBfan3dv6i4GNj imYFdG8Hd98BYTLwhs1L0H082UxIGCXB5Rh7JLAH7tPAk3oOsMpStIMeiYI8YVShRPRq TBMb80P9bqoR1z1uKIO2A9VXlw3ASUltmkEwe1hahvYZmAW4bv7M3p5u/APPTxppghnU 1mMA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8CEE15BFFA79FD0-19B4-5062A@webmail-stg-d15.sysops.aol.com> References: <35DBAEA3-4B53-464B-93A6-761F831B1F3D@gmail.com> <8CEE15BFFA79FD0-19B4-5062A@webmail-stg-d15.sysops.aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 12:08:26 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RANG SIDE CAR.....was Re: Looperlative LP2 From: Bennett Williams To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04479ed70a757104bcf0c025 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 16:08:28 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04479ed70a757104bcf0c025 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Actually, the Side Car makes the Boomerang easier to use. The number of steps needed to get things done is reduced to one; as in stamping your foot on the button of choice. Once you get the initial setup done where you know what kind of settings you prefer are, then you just leave it there and loop away. In other words it's "set and forget" with the Side Car. I love the Eventide space. What I loop is the saxophone, and all I use the Space for is the Plate reverb setting, which is a superb. The Space can do many, many, other sounds, and it is controllable via. MIDI, but I am just too lazy to explore those options for now. Very high quality box. Because I am dealing with line level signals is the reason why I have the Re-Amp input and the JDI Dual direct box output. Thanks for the compliments!! If you want to hear this thing, my page on Soundcloud is: http://soundcloud.com/bennettwilliams -B On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 11:57 AM, michael klobuchar wrote: > SWEET SET UP!!!!!.....how do you like the SPACE box?.....my corncern with > the RANG III + SIDE CAR is the number of steps one has to > > go thru to get things done, i haven't got my head totally around it yet > and will have to snuggle up with the manual (AGAIN).....but i do believe > that the SIDE CAR > > opens up the RANG'S abilities cornsiderably! > > > > > https://plus.google.com/photos/110438867527796473566/albums/5727925743660479297 > > -Bennett > > > -- Bennett Williams http://www.bennettwilliams.net --f46d04479ed70a757104bcf0c025 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually, the Side Car makes the Boomerang easier to use. The number of ste= ps needed to get things done is reduced to one; as in stamping your foot on= the button of choice. Once you get the initial setup done where you know w= hat kind of settings you prefer are, then you just leave it there and loop = away. In other words it's "set and forget" with the Side Car.=

I love the Eventide space. What I loop is the saxophone, and all I use = the Space for is the Plate reverb setting, which is a superb. The Space can= do many, many, other sounds, and it is controllable via. MIDI, but I am ju= st too lazy to explore those options for now. Very high quality box.

Because I am dealing with line level signals is the reason why I have t= he Re-Amp input and the JDI Dual direct box output. Thanks for the complime= nts!!

If you want to hear this thing, my page on Soundcloud is: http://soundcloud.com/bennett= williams

-B



On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 11:= 57 AM, michael klobuchar <nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:
SWEET SET= UP!!!!!.....how do you like the SPACE box?.....my corncern with the RANG I= II + SIDE CAR is the number of steps one has to

go thru to get things done, i haven't got my head totally ar= ound it yet and will have to snuggle up with the manual (AGAIN).....but i d= o believe that the SIDE CAR

opens up the RANG'S abilities cornsiderably!





--
Bennett Williams=
http://www.bennettwilliams.n= et
--f46d04479ed70a757104bcf0c025-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 16:41:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4749183477; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 16:41:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=ytM+BsKrV0TY9vgujKdkW7xqME/1EL926OlSCKkEAF4=; b=FoAdpg9bna9ouuUxPcYmjSUqENPWqzXEmBKSgWFkcuheQE5vcPTe7uZ5MX8+OwPJ8y qKJzvF8PxgQ9i+icO9KTnlZ5UppZ0xfNVitDRPkyejrPR147kQu1z+iNjnqSV/Bxlbtv wx77gLuqNw7+Q8HeLWo3FqRqtxY8NRZC220SALYRmxDTxptOGTmegd+qxKsABHwmSyng en7V3iLdJXwWp7G//+dnQ5akn5uHozuO6qr7rkRU96bVAaYcedC1+wjmqcmBFKx03r4R 0L95JtfXRHulk6u9H9VhhlBz63pC7jHtfiSq5S+sdyweqHED0roLE/Lst0k7nuN9Ghw2 JVUA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F7C260A.5040205@cruzio.com> From: Torben Scharling Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 18:40:55 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Re: loops with a drummer? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0430878e9a006704bcf136be Resent-Message-ID: <1fzRmB.A.NVF.BtcfPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 16:41:37 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0430878e9a006704bcf136be Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Guess I'll chime in a little bit here: I don't necessarily agree about points made earlier, that there has to be a click or something similar. It just needs to be something that's rythmic. It can be a bass loop, a drum loop, a cowbell...whatever. It's all about proper monitoring, and musicianship. As long as the person(s) holding the groove down can hear the loop/click/whatever that dictates the tempo, and he/she/they are skilled musicians, they should be able to keep that rythm without drifting. And the other musicians just follow along. I like this thread, gives some good ideas. But I just don't like excuses. Keeping time, and learning about rythm takes time and lots of practise. Something many people need to focus more on, guitarist, singers, drummers, etc... In my experience the two biggest factors in terms of keeping time is 1. proper levels - things start to drift if instruments/vocals that are not "time keeping"/playing on the beat overpowers the time keeping instrument(s) in volumen. And 2. poor musicianship -> learn to have rock solid rythmic timing in everything you play and NO MATTER WHAT INSTRUMENT YOU PLAY I like the idea of in-ear with cans over them. I've done that in the past drumming: molded in-ear's with 15db filters and closed pro studio monitoring headphones on max volume. Best of both worlds: you hear the click/beat, you hear the other musicians, you feel the click (because it's playing so loud) AND you don't ruin your ears, cause you got in-ears underneath. (and if they're proper cans, they seal off the music well enough to not get obtrusively into overhead mic's etc. (Just be carefull not to ruin the headphones) On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Ok, just another bunch of pennys to add: > > In the nineties I did some tours with a band that used backing tracks > plus live playing. The small setting was a trio and we simply handed > over a CD to the DJ and performed on the dance floor or stage with > wireless mics and wireless guitar (me). The big setup of this project > was more like a rock band with two guitars, two vocalists, a keyboard > player and a drummer. One 8 channel ADAT tape machine was used for > backing tracks and we delivered to the live engineer several separate > stems like backing choir stereo feed, bass channel, percussion stuff, > epic stereo synth pad beds, hard percussion stuff etc etc. The point > of interest here is that one of the eight tracks had a click that only > the drummer had in his headphones. This drummer is very good, top > class professional session guy, and he first used -20 dB silicon > in-ear protections and upon those the cans with very loud volume. He > played perfectly well with that and the deal was that everyone else > was to follow the drums. Worked out fine for that music. But of course > there wasn't much space for improvisation or working up a collective > groove feel ;-)) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 2:06 PM, mark francombe > wrote: > > Ill just add my 2 pennys here. > > > > I had 10 years with a band where we almost always had a backing tape wi= th > > various elements, and we needed a way to play to them. I also discussed > this > > with many, many bands (often because they couldn't "get it" how we coul= d > > play to a backing track and all be in synch.) > > > > We tried click tracks in the monitors and personal mixing methods, but = it > > ONLY came together when we used a stereo tape, the left side was a > Musically > > nice percussion element, often a drum-machine version of the drummers > > high-hat pattern and the right hand side contained the musical (or loop= ) > > element. (obviously NOT mixed left and right in the FOH) > > > > On stage the perc side was louder, specificaly to the drummer, (the > musical > > side was often really deep cellos or industrial loops that would fully > > distort most crappy club monitors, and needed them for vocals. But out > front > > the perc side was totally muted... If however the punters at the front > > should hear it, it blended in quite nicely. > > > > Im sure that a drummer with REALLY GREAT in ear monitors could do well, > but > > its dangerous, the tinny plink of a typical metronome sound would KILL = a > > drummers hearing after a few shows, and the volume and MUSH of most > venues > > stage sound, would cause it to become annoying and irrelevant. > > > > If you design the "click" so it fits with the music and play it, then y= ou > > find tat you naturally play WITH it, rather than TO IT. Trying to PLAY > TO an > > annoying Plink plonk plonk plonk plink plonk plonk plonk is un-natural > and > > just causes drift IMHO... playing to a musical and rhythmic percussion > part > > is the way to go... > > > > (now listen to Cranes and see how many songs start with drums.. ha ha!! > > Yep.. most of them !!!) > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Francombe > > www.markfrancombe.com > > www.ordoabkhao.com > > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > > http://www.looop.no > > twitter @markfrancombe > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > > > --=20 De Bedste Hilsner / Best Regards Torben Scharling - Mobile: +45 61 66 60 09 - e-mail: ts@torbenscharling.com --f46d0430878e9a006704bcf136be Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Guess I'll chime in a little bit here: I don't necessarily agree ab= out points made earlier, that there has to be a click or something similar.= It just needs to be something that's rythmic. It can be a bass loop, a= drum loop, a cowbell...whatever. It's all about proper monitoring, and= musicianship. As long as the person(s) holding the groove down can hear th= e loop/click/whatever that dictates the tempo, and he/she/they are skilled = musicians, they should be able to keep that rythm without drifting. And the= other musicians just follow along.

I like this thread, gives some good ideas. But I just don't like ex= cuses. Keeping time, and learning about rythm takes time and lots of practi= se. Something many people need to focus more on, guitarist, singers, drumme= rs, etc...

In my experience the two biggest factors in terms of keeping time is 1.= proper levels - things start to drift if instruments/vocals that are not &= quot;time keeping"/playing on the beat overpowers the time keeping ins= trument(s) in volumen. And 2. poor musicianship -> learn to have rock so= lid rythmic timing in everything you play and NO MATTER WHAT INSTRUMENT YOU= PLAY

I like the idea of in-ear with cans over them. I've done that in th= e past drumming: molded in-ear's with 15db filters and closed pro studi= o monitoring headphones on max volume. Best of both worlds: you hear the cl= ick/beat, you hear the other musicians, you feel the click (because it'= s playing so loud) AND you don't ruin your ears, cause you got in-ears = underneath. (and if they're proper cans, they seal off the music well e= nough to not get obtrusively into overhead mic's etc. (Just be carefull= not to ruin the headphones)

On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Per Boysen <= span dir=3D"ltr"><perboysen@gmail= .com> wrote:
Ok, just another bunch of pennys to add:

In the nineties I did some tours with a band that used backing tracks
plus live playing. The small setting was a trio and we simply handed
over a CD to the DJ and performed on the dance floor or stage with
wireless mics and wireless guitar (me). The big setup of this project
was more like a rock band with two guitars, two vocalists, a keyboard
player and a drummer. One 8 channel ADAT tape machine was used for
backing tracks and we delivered to the live engineer several separate
stems like backing choir stereo feed, bass channel, percussion stuff,
epic stereo synth pad beds, hard percussion stuff etc etc. The point
of interest here is that one of the eight tracks had a click that only
the drummer had in his headphones. This drummer is very good, top
class professional session guy, and he first used -20 dB silicon
in-ear protections and upon those the cans with very loud volume. He
played perfectly well with that and the deal was that everyone else
was to follow the drums. Worked out fine for that music. But of course
there wasn't much space for improvisation or working up a collective groove feel ;-))

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen



On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 2:06 P= M, mark francombe <mark@markfr= ancombe.com> wrote:
> Ill just add my 2 pennys here.
>
> I had 10 years with a band where we almost always had a backing tape w= ith
> various elements, and we needed a way to play to them. I also discusse= d this
> with many, many bands (often because they couldn't "get it&qu= ot; how we could
> play to a backing track and all be in synch.)
>
> We tried click tracks in the monitors and personal mixing methods, but= it
> ONLY came together when we used a stereo tape, the left side was a Mus= ically
> nice percussion element, often a drum-machine version of the drummers<= br> > high-hat pattern and the right hand side contained the musical (or loo= p)
> element. (obviously NOT mixed left and right in the FOH)
>
> On stage the perc side was louder, specificaly to the drummer, (the mu= sical
> side was often really deep cellos or industrial loops that would fully=
> distort most crappy club monitors, and needed them for vocals. But out= front
> the perc side was totally muted... If however the punters at the front=
> should hear it, it blended in quite nicely.
>
> Im sure that a drummer with REALLY GREAT in ear monitors could do well= , but
> its dangerous, the tinny plink of a typical metronome sound would KILL= a
> drummers hearing after a few shows, and the volume and MUSH of most ve= nues
> stage sound, would cause it to become annoying and irrelevant.
>
> If you design the "click" so it fits with the music and play= it, then you
> find tat you naturally play WITH it, rather than TO IT. Trying to PLAY= TO an
> annoying Plink plonk plonk plonk plink plonk plonk plonk is un-natural= and
> just causes drift IMHO... playing to a musical and rhythmic percussion= part
> is the way to go...
>
> (now listen to Cranes and see how many songs start with drums.. ha ha!= !
> Yep.. most of them !!!)
>
> Mark
>
> --
> Mark Francombe
> www.markfra= ncombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao= .com
> http://vimeo= .com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no<= /a>
> twitter @markfrancombe
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
>




--
De Bedste H= ilsner / Best Regards

Torben Scharling - Mobile:=A0+45 61= 66 60 09 - e-mail:=A0ts@torbenscharling.com



--f46d0430878e9a006704bcf136be-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 17:16:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E6A1183475; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:16:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=gFH119Uo9iB0o4rYfQpagyO+YM0p0ZdorlsMOAHuS2w=; b=pts7RMndsZ95fjA5wc4M8QvXIjg3f9/WP3z03igSnxB94tuzy4klnnpqfjtTm+sGcB fqwIOjTGiXKHzynrMnqJkDcefBgI09kbJNNwly7Ff8140/LeO+/Q+IHDuqSmBiDHv8xi eQQSiEMkqnsp6gc4/DYHCooDPpatQqRM9fMO1Vnj+L1DC1z8BrEZO+7TeiJkO9BrRlho 5eppmTMgJUPk+N4Z6ElyoXywQ2om1pHKtonuyFNNcvXlcn1stqnxubgKSwtlDcr3xWX7 OvETip8tkG1dyYo5szcuGaZvNm4kLl4Mg74lK1DxyZ2GFhf5fExQdPfI+DcJYnNpT6e4 9j4A== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F7C260A.5040205@cruzio.com> From: Torben Scharling Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 19:15:19 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Re: loops with a drummer? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0430878e9d326104bcf1b10a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:16:01 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0430878e9d326104bcf1b10a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another thing when it comes to rythm and keeping time is to be physical with the tempo/groove. The more you feel the music, feel it with your body, and express it with some footsteps, a little dance (no, I'm not kidding), foot stomping, leg stomping, body grooving - you'll channel that feel onto what you're playing, and when you emphasize the first beat in that dance (or whatever you choose to do physically to keep the groove) you'll magically land pretty close to where that first beat should be, because you've done the same footsteps and moved your body to the groove since the previous first beat etc. This also helps things a lot, when it comes to the more advanced grooves with off beat stuff, african rythms etc. cause you'll still have a first beat that's there at the same spot every time, but the music within will not be a metronome'y strict pattern, but perhaps something with a very different feel - yet still rythmically "tight" to that feel. So in order to pull that off, without physically grooving to it, becomes much more difficult, and often leads to a more wishy washy, and loose in the "not-so-cool way" end result. On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 6:40 PM, Torben Scharling wrote: > Guess I'll chime in a little bit here: I don't necessarily agree about > points made earlier, that there has to be a click or something similar. I= t > just needs to be something that's rythmic. It can be a bass loop, a drum > loop, a cowbell...whatever. It's all about proper monitoring, and > musicianship. As long as the person(s) holding the groove down can hear t= he > loop/click/whatever that dictates the tempo, and he/she/they are skilled > musicians, they should be able to keep that rythm without drifting. And t= he > other musicians just follow along. > > I like this thread, gives some good ideas. But I just don't like excuses. > Keeping time, and learning about rythm takes time and lots of practise. > Something many people need to focus more on, guitarist, singers, drummers= , > etc... > > In my experience the two biggest factors in terms of keeping time is 1. > proper levels - things start to drift if instruments/vocals that are not > "time keeping"/playing on the beat overpowers the time keeping > instrument(s) in volumen. And 2. poor musicianship -> learn to have rock > solid rythmic timing in everything you play and NO MATTER WHAT INSTRUMENT > YOU PLAY > > I like the idea of in-ear with cans over them. I've done that in the past > drumming: molded in-ear's with 15db filters and closed pro studio > monitoring headphones on max volume. Best of both worlds: you hear the > click/beat, you hear the other musicians, you feel the click (because it'= s > playing so loud) AND you don't ruin your ears, cause you got in-ears > underneath. (and if they're proper cans, they seal off the music well > enough to not get obtrusively into overhead mic's etc. (Just be carefull > not to ruin the headphones) > > > On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> Ok, just another bunch of pennys to add: >> >> In the nineties I did some tours with a band that used backing tracks >> plus live playing. The small setting was a trio and we simply handed >> over a CD to the DJ and performed on the dance floor or stage with >> wireless mics and wireless guitar (me). The big setup of this project >> was more like a rock band with two guitars, two vocalists, a keyboard >> player and a drummer. One 8 channel ADAT tape machine was used for >> backing tracks and we delivered to the live engineer several separate >> stems like backing choir stereo feed, bass channel, percussion stuff, >> epic stereo synth pad beds, hard percussion stuff etc etc. The point >> of interest here is that one of the eight tracks had a click that only >> the drummer had in his headphones. This drummer is very good, top >> class professional session guy, and he first used -20 dB silicon >> in-ear protections and upon those the cans with very loud volume. He >> played perfectly well with that and the deal was that everyone else >> was to follow the drums. Worked out fine for that music. But of course >> there wasn't much space for improvisation or working up a collective >> groove feel ;-)) >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 2:06 PM, mark francombe >> wrote: >> > Ill just add my 2 pennys here. >> > >> > I had 10 years with a band where we almost always had a backing tape >> with >> > various elements, and we needed a way to play to them. I also discusse= d >> this >> > with many, many bands (often because they couldn't "get it" how we cou= ld >> > play to a backing track and all be in synch.) >> > >> > We tried click tracks in the monitors and personal mixing methods, but >> it >> > ONLY came together when we used a stereo tape, the left side was a >> Musically >> > nice percussion element, often a drum-machine version of the drummers >> > high-hat pattern and the right hand side contained the musical (or loo= p) >> > element. (obviously NOT mixed left and right in the FOH) >> > >> > On stage the perc side was louder, specificaly to the drummer, (the >> musical >> > side was often really deep cellos or industrial loops that would fully >> > distort most crappy club monitors, and needed them for vocals. But out >> front >> > the perc side was totally muted... If however the punters at the front >> > should hear it, it blended in quite nicely. >> > >> > Im sure that a drummer with REALLY GREAT in ear monitors could do well= , >> but >> > its dangerous, the tinny plink of a typical metronome sound would KILL= a >> > drummers hearing after a few shows, and the volume and MUSH of most >> venues >> > stage sound, would cause it to become annoying and irrelevant. >> > >> > If you design the "click" so it fits with the music and play it, then >> you >> > find tat you naturally play WITH it, rather than TO IT. Trying to PLAY >> TO an >> > annoying Plink plonk plonk plonk plink plonk plonk plonk is un-natural >> and >> > just causes drift IMHO... playing to a musical and rhythmic percussion >> part >> > is the way to go... >> > >> > (now listen to Cranes and see how many songs start with drums.. ha ha!= ! >> > Yep.. most of them !!!) >> > >> > Mark >> > >> > -- >> > Mark Francombe >> > www.markfrancombe.com >> > www.ordoabkhao.com >> > http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> > http://www.looop.no >> > twitter @markfrancombe >> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >> > >> >> > > > -- > De Bedste Hilsner / Best Regards > > Torben Scharling - Mobile: +45 61 66 60 09 - e-mail: > ts@torbenscharling.com > > > > > --=20 De Bedste Hilsner / Best Regards Torben Scharling - Mobile: +45 61 66 60 09 - e-mail: ts@torbenscharling.com --f46d0430878e9d326104bcf1b10a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another thing when it comes to rythm and keeping time is to be physical wit= h the tempo/groove.

The more you feel the music, feel it with your b= ody, and express it with some footsteps, a little dance (no, I'm not ki= dding), foot stomping, leg stomping, body grooving - you'll channel tha= t feel onto what you're playing, and when you emphasize the first beat = in that dance (or whatever you choose to do physically to keep the groove) = you'll magically land pretty close to where that first beat should be, = because you've done the same footsteps and moved your body to the groov= e since the previous first beat etc.

This also helps things a lot, when it comes to the more advanced groove= s with off beat stuff, african rythms etc. cause you'll still have a fi= rst beat that's there at the same spot every time, but the music within= will not be a metronome'y strict pattern, but perhaps something with a= very different feel - yet still rythmically "tight" to that feel= . So in order to pull that off, without physically grooving to it, becomes = much more difficult, and often leads to a more wishy washy, and loose in th= e "not-so-cool way" end result.

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 6:40 PM, Torben Schar= ling <tor= benscharling@gmail.com> wrote:
Guess I'll chime in a little bit here: I don't necessarily agree ab= out points made earlier, that there has to be a click or something similar.= It just needs to be something that's rythmic. It can be a bass loop, a= drum loop, a cowbell...whatever. It's all about proper monitoring, and= musicianship. As long as the person(s) holding the groove down can hear th= e loop/click/whatever that dictates the tempo, and he/she/they are skilled = musicians, they should be able to keep that rythm without drifting. And the= other musicians just follow along.

I like this thread, gives some good ideas. But I just don't like ex= cuses. Keeping time, and learning about rythm takes time and lots of practi= se. Something many people need to focus more on, guitarist, singers, drumme= rs, etc...

In my experience the two biggest factors in terms of keeping time is 1.= proper levels - things start to drift if instruments/vocals that are not &= quot;time keeping"/playing on the beat overpowers the time keeping ins= trument(s) in volumen. And 2. poor musicianship -> learn to have rock so= lid rythmic timing in everything you play and NO MATTER WHAT INSTRUMENT YOU= PLAY

I like the idea of in-ear with cans over them. I've done that in th= e past drumming: molded in-ear's with 15db filters and closed pro studi= o monitoring headphones on max volume. Best of both worlds: you hear the cl= ick/beat, you hear the other musicians, you feel the click (because it'= s playing so loud) AND you don't ruin your ears, cause you got in-ears = underneath. (and if they're proper cans, they seal off the music well e= nough to not get obtrusively into overhead mic's etc. (Just be carefull= not to ruin the headphones)


On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Per Boysen <= span dir=3D"ltr"><perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok, just another bunch of pennys to add:

In the nineties I did some tours with a band that used backing tracks
plus live playing. The small setting was a trio and we simply handed
over a CD to the DJ and performed on the dance floor or stage with
wireless mics and wireless guitar (me). The big setup of this project
was more like a rock band with two guitars, two vocalists, a keyboard
player and a drummer. One 8 channel ADAT tape machine was used for
backing tracks and we delivered to the live engineer several separate
stems like backing choir stereo feed, bass channel, percussion stuff,
epic stereo synth pad beds, hard percussion stuff etc etc. The point
of interest here is that one of the eight tracks had a click that only
the drummer had in his headphones. This drummer is very good, top
class professional session guy, and he first used -20 dB silicon
in-ear protections and upon those the cans with very loud volume. He
played perfectly well with that and the deal was that everyone else
was to follow the drums. Worked out fine for that music. But of course
there wasn't much space for improvisation or working up a collective groove feel ;-))

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen



On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 2:06 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com= > wrote:
> Ill just add my 2 pennys here.
>
> I had 10 years with a band where we almost always had a backing tape w= ith
> various elements, and we needed a way to play to them. I also discusse= d this
> with many, many bands (often because they couldn't "get it&qu= ot; how we could
> play to a backing track and all be in synch.)
>
> We tried click tracks in the monitors and personal mixing methods, but= it
> ONLY came together when we used a stereo tape, the left side was a Mus= ically
> nice percussion element, often a drum-machine version of the drummers<= br> > high-hat pattern and the right hand side contained the musical (or loo= p)
> element. (obviously NOT mixed left and right in the FOH)
>
> On stage the perc side was louder, specificaly to the drummer, (the mu= sical
> side was often really deep cellos or industrial loops that would fully=
> distort most crappy club monitors, and needed them for vocals. But out= front
> the perc side was totally muted... If however the punters at the front=
> should hear it, it blended in quite nicely.
>
> Im sure that a drummer with REALLY GREAT in ear monitors could do well= , but
> its dangerous, the tinny plink of a typical metronome sound would KILL= a
> drummers hearing after a few shows, and the volume and MUSH of most ve= nues
> stage sound, would cause it to become annoying and irrelevant.
>
> If you design the "click" so it fits with the music and play= it, then you
> find tat you naturally play WITH it, rather than TO IT. Trying to PLAY= TO an
> annoying Plink plonk plonk plonk plink plonk plonk plonk is un-natural= and
> just causes drift IMHO... playing to a musical and rhythmic percussion= part
> is the way to go...
>
> (now listen to Cranes and see how many songs start with drums.. ha ha!= !
> Yep.. most of them !!!)
>
> Mark
>
> --
> Mark Francombe
> www.markfra= ncombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao= .com
> http://vimeo= .com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no<= /a>
> twitter @markfrancombe
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
>




--
De Bedste Hilsner / Best Re= gards

Torben Scharling - Mobile:=A0+45 61 66 60 09= - e-mail:=A0ts@torbenscharling.com






--
De Bedste= Hilsner / Best Regards

Torben Scharling - Mobile:=A0+45 = 61 66 60 09 - e-mail:=A0ts@torbenscharling.com



--f46d0430878e9d326104bcf1b10a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 18:48:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDE01183479; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 18:48:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=tRcGL9xu5ZXj2bKAkqVsQLU7FItZg1o2kMU6WaUgxxs=; b=DTrzpkSiOcrKNn8Upzy7Yi7NTjWiCtnqYoXwXdpCcAal3oaZ3bmeUhJ4APPsznC6iu XEm14HSL5UP9bFgREwqhV/dAhJ883RhCvYFbaogIvoHD9VLAb07B4kX3M6D66+eNuJu5 Ln4krZ/1xtl8NpbFB4YWz5YTNJNRuUunXN8Bx7ZmVrgpQaogAm7NirBMM7RaPjpLPd0h 439eQUqKDt4Ofp/kuR/PZvjWmdbV3Majo/fw4DdsLLp8oxqI/PsG0/DqbuwwUcOxReBO 9pSF7JFTOqgsY1m4DrQB5nTxfMSJUB0FnJds0TPc8P2mRLPJB3kQ0aGA36bGCr6nz3JE pTfA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <35DBAEA3-4B53-464B-93A6-761F831B1F3D@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 14:48:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looperlative LP2 From: Zak Kramer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec521588f689a8104bcf2fc08 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 18:48:30 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec521588f689a8104bcf2fc08 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 As the person who's supposedly giving the LP2 a "beating" over on TGP, I'd like to state a few things. 1. I knew about Bob's personal problems, and posted about them there back in July, in the context of asking folks to be patient. In fact, if you go over the (admittedly lengthy) thread carefully, you will see that I took it upon myself to keep folks there informed, in the hopes that he would not lose the use of (any more) deposits. While I completely understand his position, I think it's also understandably difficult for some folks to justify allowing Bob the use of their money for a year or more without really knowing what's going on. Still, I did so, for fourteen months and 2 units. I only wish it could have worked out better -- and I mean that sincerely. 2. I attempted to convey my experiences as carefully as possible, by putting a lot of thought into and then clearly outlining my signal path and methodology, and eschewing emotional judgements to the greatest extent possible. Furthermore, I followed the suggestions of several folks, including Bob, to solve my problems, eg. trying a variety of power sources and using all 3 input gain levels. None of these resulted in a usable product *for me* (which I was also careful to state) and so I asked for, and received, a refund. 3. The goodwill Bob has around here was one of the primary reasons that I was so patient, and why I urged others to do the same. While I certainly became quite frustrated, and was ultimately disappointed, I do not, nor have I ever, borne Bob any personal animus, and as such, I have never expressed same. I cannot express enough that I have a great deal of respect for Bob and what he is trying to do, in a difficult personal situation, in a difficult market, and in a challenging economy. All of that, however, while true, is beside the point: I was sold a unit with the promise of absolutely superb sound quality, and instead received a unit that in no way lived up to that promise -- even after I returned the first unit in the hopes that the first release bugs were worked out. In comparison, I pre-ordered a Boomerang III, and waited quite a while (I don't remember exactly how long; at least 6mo.) My first unit didn't work, and I was on the phone with Mike within hours, and then his hardware guy (Lee?) later that night. I was cross-shipped a fully tested and properly functioning unit, which I still have to this day. I sincerely hope that Bob can deliver the looper he wants to create, and plenty of folks want to use, and that all of this can be chalked up to "growing pains." Zak Kramer --bcaec521588f689a8104bcf2fc08 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As the person who's supposedly giving the LP2 a "beating" ove= r on TGP, I'd like to state a few things.

1. I knew about Bob= 9;s personal problems, and posted about them there back in July, in the con= text of asking folks to be patient. In fact, if you go over the (admittedly= lengthy) thread carefully, you will see that I took it upon myself to keep= folks there informed, in the hopes that he would not lose the use of=A0 (a= ny more) deposits. While I completely understand his position, I think it&#= 39;s also understandably difficult for some folks to justify allowing Bob t= he use of their money for a year or more without really knowing what's = going on. Still, I did so, for fourteen months and 2 units. I only wish it = could have worked out better -- and I mean that sincerely.

2. I attempted to convey my experiences as carefully as possible, by pu= tting a lot of thought into and then clearly outlining my signal path and m= ethodology, and eschewing emotional judgements to the greatest extent possi= ble. Furthermore, I followed the suggestions of several folks, including Bo= b, to solve my problems, eg. trying a variety of power sources and using al= l 3 input gain levels. None of these resulted in a usable product *for me* = (which I was also careful to state) and so I asked for, and received, a ref= und.

3. The goodwill Bob has around here was one of the primary reasons that= I was so patient, and why I urged others to do the same. While I certainly= became quite frustrated, and was ultimately disappointed, I do not, nor ha= ve I ever, borne Bob any personal animus, and as such, I have never express= ed same. I cannot express enough that I have a great deal of respect for Bo= b and what he is trying to do, in a difficult personal situation, in a diff= icult market, and in a challenging economy.

All of that, however, while true, is beside the point: I was sold a uni= t with the promise of absolutely superb sound quality, and instead received= a unit that in no way lived up to that promise -- even after I returned th= e first unit in the hopes that the first release bugs were worked out. In c= omparison, I pre-ordered a Boomerang III, and waited quite a while (I don&#= 39;t remember exactly how long; at least 6mo.) My first unit didn't wor= k, and I was on the phone with Mike within hours, and then his hardware guy= (Lee?) later that night. I was cross-shipped a fully tested and properly f= unctioning unit, which I still have to this day.

I sincerely hope that Bob can deliver the looper he wants to create, an= d plenty of folks want to use, and that all of this can be chalked up to &q= uot;growing pains."

Zak Kramer
--bcaec521588f689a8104bcf2fc08-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 19:37:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD5D2183474; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 19:37:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=helpwantedproductions.com; h= message-id:date:subject:from:to:mime-version:content-type: content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=helpwantedproductions.com; b=FWb/Uen5NcgjMb4939wkQwDoe2JahSuMupOuMM4ED3I+C+EZxfhk3uiVjayHe ByYSd4G9OjqIYTGHjAyVeYHOxBuRHRE2g0WC5N+MCe8lqzAAuj2w0L93bqyaHDBx klYtzkrVcVN3qsabMrYwN+FIyEPSWhoTh0FPpjDLJIJDpU= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=helpwantedproductions.com; h=message-id:date:subject:from:to:mime-version:content-type: content-transfer-encoding; s=helpwantedproductions.com; bh=I/+EY 4+zzsZ5cySPxnx6/428eOc=; b=fXhMFho92N3Pv0wMPKVV0SylzOkQO+XM3XHMq rDLjd59GFiIsvq1ki3VOB/trzLnAWqD5xA1/EuC0G1dTbSAy8r8ilf0KCRGFbdPz IPkIEn1+ZQvay4j01h4tClQpglBBe8arQpm5RKjTc6UmslsM7rrb6Ldsx+SpciWR jmOoH0= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 12:37:38 -0700 Subject: Reissue of EMS VCS3 album: The FEEDBACK Machine... From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com To: "Loopers Delight" , "AH" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <2pEg_C.A.8AH.DSffPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 19:37:39 +0000 (UTC) A new Streaming/Download of the 1996 Analog Spacerock masterpiece: The FEEDBACK MACHINE. The only studio recording of the three piece Music For Isolation Tanks mid 90s lineup. I am extremely proud of this recording an= d glad to bring it out of the vaults, remastered and ready for download. http://davidtalento.bandcamp.com/album/the-feedback-machine Featuring Putney in the title role there is also plenty of analog goodnes= s from 808 and Pro One to theremin, EH pedals, Juno 106, etc etc. This was talked down and then recorded in one take live we used to do our live shows. Originally a cassette (ha!) only release if was meant to be listened to all the way through to get the full effects. Special full download price to allow you to do this. It's *only* $6 for the entire Noise/Fusion/Teknow/Industrial/Spacerok dream. Please support your local sound freaknoise pirates. 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The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Sphere" on VFR Records. The Focus page is at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#apr I will also play music of artists who will be playing at the Soundscapes Concert Series in April and May; Wave World, and Broekhuis, Keller& Schonwalder. Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 23:12:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D577183464; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 23:12:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 487 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 23:12:26 UTC Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0417233218==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120405230415.367.33427.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 19:04:16 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: my new comedy album, A Very Different Sort of Media, out now Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 23:12:27 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0417233218== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,=20this=20is=20Tyler=20Zahnke.=20On=20March=2028,=20I=20finally=20rel= eased=20my=20comedy=20album,=20"Tyler=20 Zahnke's=20A=20Very=20Different=20Sort=20of=20Media"=20as=20a=20digital=20d= ownload=20from=20my=20website.=20I=20have=20 posted=20a=20link=20to=20it=20on=20other=20music=20messageboards.=20I=20fin= ally=20decided=20it=20was=20appropriate=20for=20this=20one=20 because=20the=20music=20track=20for=20a=20lot=20of=20the=20songs=20consists= =20of=20preprogrammed=20loops=20on=20an=20electronic=20 keyboard.=20I=20switch=20from=20loop=20version=20to=20loop=20version,=20loo= p=20to=20loop,=20and=20put=20other=20sounds=20from=20the=20 keyboard=20overtop=20of=20the=20playing=20loop.=20For=20example,=20the=20fi= rst=20track=20(a=20parody=20of=20a=20Cher=20song)=20consists=20 almost=20entirely=20of=20this=20one=20beat=20(which=20is=20looped).=20The= =20key=20changes=20(loop=20version),=20and=20the=20beat=20becomes=20more=20 complex,=20and=20then=20back=20to=20normal.=20Also,=20there=20are=20guitar-= like=20sounds=20played=20over=20some=20of=20the=20loop=20beats.=20The=20 intro=20(the=20horn=20sounds)=20come=20before=20the=20"intro=20loops"=20whi= ch=20are=20slightly=20modified.=20Not=20all=20songs=20are=20 consisting=20of=20loops,=20but=20download=20a=20free=20copy=20of=20"A=20Ver= y=20Different=20Sort=20of=20Media"=20today.=20You'll=20 get=20loops=20galore=20on=20tracks=201,=203,=207=20and=209.=20Track=208=20i= s=20definitely=20the=20least=20looped,=20 but=20there=20is=20a=20link=20to=20the=20album=20page=20on=20my=20home=20pa= ge. http://tyler_zahnke.editthis.info Tyler=20Z --===============0417233218==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 01:39:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 591BD183478; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 01:39:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "BC" To: Subject: Eventide Space vs. Strymon Timeline...Opinions? Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 21:39:55 -0400 Message-ID: <017a01cd1396$2c4da2c0$84e8e840$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_017B_01CD1374.A53C02C0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: Ac0TlctxuNRewkjOSoeobfIc7I7tkg== X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120326-1, 03/26/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 01:39:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_017B_01CD1374.A53C02C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It seems that the super-reverb big guns are the Space and the Timeline. Anyone here have some good insight into the differences between the two? Thanks, Brian ------=_NextPart_000_017B_01CD1374.A53C02C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It seems that the super-reverb big guns are the Space and the = Timeline.

 

Anyone here have some good insight into the differences between the = two?

 

Thanks,

Brian

------=_NextPart_000_017B_01CD1374.A53C02C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 02:53:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DB10183479; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 02:53:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EABJafk8yaAKA/2dsb2JhbABFgka2P4MQAQEBAwF+CwsEQleIIgW6RI0ngkFjBIhZkwKNSQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,379,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="241841139" X-Originating-IP: [50.104.2.128] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.2.128 Message-Id: <7B3E0E2E-EF78-488B-BB91-0CCE449700F6@frontier.com> From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <017a01cd1396$2c4da2c0$84e8e840$@comcast.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-51-1038731943 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Eventide Space vs. Strymon Timeline...Opinions? Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 21:52:13 -0500 References: <017a01cd1396$2c4da2c0$84e8e840$@comcast.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 02:53:32 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-51-1038731943 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Apr 5, 2012, at 8:39 PM, BC wrote: > It seems that the super-reverb big guns are the Space and the > Timeline. > > Anyone here have some good insight into the differences between the > two? > Apples and oranges. One is a reverb pedal; the other is a delay pedal. Are you sure you didn't mean to write "Eventide TimeFactor" and "Strymon Timeline"? Jeff --Apple-Mail-51-1038731943 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Apr 5, 2012, = at 8:39 PM, BC wrote:

It seems that the super-reverb big guns are the = Space and the Timeline.
 
Anyone here have some good = insight into the differences between the = two?

Jeff
= --Apple-Mail-51-1038731943-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 03:47:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8D82183474; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 03:47:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=tvafqif+VW0OZjDcFEtucSaHMkpksPVGnrjj6RlMcvw=; b=sAZ7cVAryG4vzUSL0G0B6AZUnpq3VqAEBOZgQBbQuCqYOJgX1GDnzUWQR+UmwdmbHx flOH7miJhqcy9embNW3WVicrvBLZxPcpjgqMPT9zJVF0JTeiVnMPBmyVGsYGzAl5k+vb 9XAouuN+ibQE5ryl1+pnod405qbtYixKhihXC/pL78z9xldlDfRRR0DEGJGzyE6VbryI UZDf6Qrp74//b+DYZq4cGoX/XZNjpe3w8iJeUBUIfXM8/+xZdcSKAeWHl3IpVQgyUGNw kuegzYYIaasULAKM9LcAK3af7cZs0BNrlO4E7aLOITqI+BtzLt9s72hKsrjTag72DEzY Il3w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <017a01cd1396$2c4da2c0$84e8e840$@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 23:47:25 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Eventide Space vs. Strymon Timeline...Opinions? From: Bennett Williams To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04479ed7d2bb6d04bcfa83cd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 03:47:27 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04479ed7d2bb6d04bcfa83cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have not used the Strymon, but as you may know, I am using the Space. When I was looking into getting one, the sales rep @ Sweetwater Sound told me that the hall & plate reverb settings were worth the price of the unit alone, they were that good. The Space has many other presets that are totally out there, but I never use them. Just a good sounding stereo plate reverb is all I need, and the Space does this beautifully. If I were to upgrade, I would get a rack-mount reverb unit that uses balanced line level signals, and just does basic reverb, without additional whacked-out signal processing that I'm just not interested in. The Eventide 2016 is probably going to be what I get: http://www.eventide.com/AudioDivision/Products/Harmonizer%20Effects%20Processors/2016.aspx The only other rack-mount reverb that I have heard of which is better is the Bricasti, but one of those is $3k, and that's just too much for a reverb. On Apr 5, 2012 9:40 PM, "BC" wrote: --f46d04479ed7d2bb6d04bcfa83cd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have not used the Strymon, but as you may know, I am using the Space. = When I was looking into getting one, the sales rep @ Sweetwater Sound told = me that the hall & plate reverb settings were worth the price of the un= it alone, they were that good. The Space has many other presets that are to= tally out there, but I never use them. Just a good sounding stereo plate re= verb is all I need, and the Space does this beautifully. If I were to upgra= de, I would get a rack-mount reverb unit that uses balanced line level sign= als, and just does basic reverb, without additional whacked-out signal proc= essing that I'm just not interested in. The Eventide 2016 is probably g= oing to be what I get:

http://www.eventide.com/AudioDivision/Produ= cts/Harmonizer%20Effects%20Processors/2016.aspx

The only other rack-mount reverb that I have heard of which is better is= the Bricasti, but one of those is $3k, and that's just too much for a = reverb.

On Apr 5, 2012 9:40 PM, "BC" <compguy2@comcast.net> wrote:
--f46d04479ed7d2bb6d04bcfa83cd-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 03:54:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BE8C183475; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 03:54:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvwEAEJofk8yaAKA/2dsb2JhbABFuQeDEAEBAQMBOAJECwtGV4giBbovjSeCQWMEiFmTAo1J X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,380,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="241850103" X-Originating-IP: [50.104.2.128] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.2.128 Message-Id: <4F52352A-1F4A-475E-AAD5-A19F88DCE63D@frontier.com> From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Eventide Space vs. Strymon Timeline...Opinions? Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 22:53:40 -0500 References: <017a01cd1396$2c4da2c0$84e8e840$@comcast.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 03:54:57 +0000 (UTC) On Apr 5, 2012, at 10:47 PM, Bennett Williams wrote: > I have not used the Strymon, > Fwiw, the Strymon reverb is called the "Blue Sky". Cool as it is, it's not anywhere near being in the same league as Eventide's Space. I'm not sure which pedals the original poster meant to compare, though. Comparing Space and Timeline doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The Timeline isn't a reverb unit. It's one hell of a delay pedal, though, with interesting effects--filters, some pitch shifting, etc. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 06:03:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3440183474; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 06:03:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F7E871C.1090604@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 23:03:08 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zak Kramer , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Re: Looperlative LP2 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0V1XNC.A.ltD.lcofPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 06:03:17 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Zak, that was a very honest and compassionate reply. I apologize for missing your initial posts. I was just contacted by someone who said that the LP2 was getting a beating on the GearPage and that it might behoove me to respond to it. It's all been imperfect and I hope my post there conveys that I don't hold it against anyone who was frustrated or who gave up on the unit. I also really wanted to say that I still believe it's a very cool thing and the warts seem to be behind us now. thanks for writing and sharing your thoughts. with a lot of respect, Rick On 4/5/12 11:48 AM, Zak Kramer wrote: > As the person who's supposedly giving the LP2 a "beating" over on TGP, > I'd like to state a few things. > > 1. I knew about Bob's personal problems, and posted about them there > back in July, in the context of asking folks to be patient. In fact, > if you go over the (admittedly lengthy) thread carefully, you will see > that I took it upon myself to keep folks there informed, in the hopes > that he would not lose the use of (any more) deposits. While I > completely understand his position, I think it's also understandably > difficult for some folks to justify allowing Bob the use of their > money for a year or more without really knowing what's going on. > Still, I did so, for fourteen months and 2 units. I only wish it could > have worked out better -- and I mean that sincerely. > > 2. I attempted to convey my experiences as carefully as possible, by > putting a lot of thought into and then clearly outlining my signal > path and methodology, and eschewing emotional judgements to the > greatest extent possible. Furthermore, I followed the suggestions of > several folks, including Bob, to solve my problems, eg. trying a > variety of power sources and using all 3 input gain levels. None of > these resulted in a usable product *for me* (which I was also careful > to state) and so I asked for, and received, a refund. > > 3. The goodwill Bob has around here was one of the primary reasons > that I was so patient, and why I urged others to do the same. While I > certainly became quite frustrated, and was ultimately disappointed, I > do not, nor have I ever, borne Bob any personal animus, and as such, I > have never expressed same. I cannot express enough that I have a great > deal of respect for Bob and what he is trying to do, in a difficult > personal situation, in a difficult market, and in a challenging economy. > > All of that, however, while true, is beside the point: I was sold a > unit with the promise of absolutely superb sound quality, and instead > received a unit that in no way lived up to that promise -- even after > I returned the first unit in the hopes that the first release bugs > were worked out. In comparison, I pre-ordered a Boomerang III, and > waited quite a while (I don't remember exactly how long; at least > 6mo.) My first unit didn't work, and I was on the phone with Mike > within hours, and then his hardware guy (Lee?) later that night. I was > cross-shipped a fully tested and properly functioning unit, which I > still have to this day. > > I sincerely hope that Bob can deliver the looper he wants to create, > and plenty of folks want to use, and that all of this can be chalked > up to "growing pains." > > Zak Kramer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 06:16:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31BBB183473; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 06:16:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F7E8A30.2040500@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 23:16:16 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: loops with a drummer? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 06:16:23 +0000 (UTC) I respect your take on this, Torben. I actually have a alternate take on the subject, for what it's worth (maybe just additive instead of contradictory) What I've discovered is one can understand extremely complex rhythms (syncopations, polyrhythms and odd meters) if they understand the sub-pulse in the rhythm in question. Frequently, people's simple physical responses to rhythms, especially those that favor the downbeat (with tapping, dancing and other body movements )actually get in the way of understanding what's happening. I firmly believe that all rhythms that we play that are disparate are actually learned as coordinations. It has, of course, to do with how sophisticated a person is rhythmically. If, for example, you are playing offbeat triplet 8th notes against a the short West African 6/8 bell (and then against the four pulse in your right foot and the three pulse in your left foot) it becomes necessary to break the rhythm down, note for note to understand the coordination required to play all 12 notes of the subpulse. If you are dancing or swaying or tapping your foot, you just don't have a chance of learning how to do this. I'm not saying that 'feeling' the rhythm is unimportant, but frequently unsophisticated rhythm players since of 'feel' gets in their way of actually hearing what some one is actually playing. I've seen this time after time in master West African percussion classes where people assume a metronomic grid of 12 or 16 notes, tapping their foot on the four pulse the whole time. I'm with you, that it takes a long time and a lot of practice to learn more complex rhythmic schemes, but they can be broken down, intellectually, and with, admittedly slightly inaccurate gridding schemes to help a novice (or an adept) learn the coordination. That next huge step is being able to hear the subtle differences between a perfect gridding mapping and the actual way something is planned. But, as Gregory Bateson so wisely said, "We are doomed to make maps of the world that are intrinsically inaccurate, but there IS such a thing as a better map." yours, Rick Walker On 4/5/12 10:15 AM, Torben Scharling wrote: > Another thing when it comes to rythm and keeping time is to be > physical with the tempo/groove. > > The more you feel the music, feel it with your body, and express it > with some footsteps, a little dance (no, I'm not kidding), foot > stomping, leg stomping, body grooving - you'll channel that feel onto > what you're playing, and when you emphasize the first beat in that > dance (or whatever you choose to do physically to keep the groove) > you'll magically land pretty close to where that first beat should be, > because you've done the same footsteps and moved your body to the > groove since the previous first beat etc. > > This also helps things a lot, when it comes to the more advanced > grooves with off beat stuff, african rythms etc. cause you'll still > have a first beat that's there at the same spot every time, but the > music within will not be a metronome'y strict pattern, but perhaps > something with a very different feel - yet still rythmically "tight" > to that feel. So in order to pull that off, without physically > grooving to it, becomes much more difficult, and often leads to a more > wishy washy, and loose in the "not-so-cool way" end result. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 08:13:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66AB2183477; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 08:13:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 743638458/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.21.181/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.21.181 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAHWlfk9YbRW1/2dsb2JhbAANOLwmAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYgFui2NLIMkBJtLjT8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,381,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="743638458" Message-ID: <4F7EA5B6.3080500@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 09:13:42 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: loops with a drummer? References: <4F7C260A.5040205@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 08:13:58 +0000 (UTC) Torben Scharling wrote: > In my experience the two biggest factors in terms of keeping time is: 1.Listening 2.Not thinking the other person is out of time. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 09:27:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4832183474; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 09:27:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 752171175/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.21.181/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.21.181 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBANC1fk9YbRW1/2dsb2JhbAANOLwnAQEBAwE4NAoCBgsLIRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBF4duuhuNLIMkBJtLjT8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,381,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="752171175" Message-ID: <4F7EB6E0.4010301@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 10:26:56 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative LP2 References: <35DBAEA3-4B53-464B-93A6-761F831B1F3D@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 09:27:03 +0000 (UTC) Zak Kramer wrote: > 2. I attempted to convey my experiences as carefully as possible, by > putting a lot of thought into and then clearly outlining my signal path > and methodology, and eschewing emotional judgements to the greatest > extent possible. Wasn't that your demo on the Gearpage? That's great, it allows us to analyse what's going on, and why the pedal doesn't work for you. As I understand it the LP2 uses 12 bit recording (from the spec/manual Rick posted I think). (although in/out is, afaik, 24bit) Usually a stompbox looper uses 24bit recording, not for sound quality issues but for headroom. In stompbox world, it's a very neat solution to headroom issues, where the input signal is going to not only vary a lot, but needs to be passed without level change. So the Lp2 *is* going to need much more careful gain staging to get the most out of it. Clearly the 4th sample ( where you're using the higher gain setting on the LP2) is louder than the others, and getting distorted by your amp. I guess that's unavoidable with your setup? Anyway, if you'd had some kind of attenuation after the LP2 you would have gone towards a lower noise floor without distortion. I guess that's not a good answer for you, and I'm sure a lot of Guitar>Amp guys wouldn't be comfortable with it. I don't know how the gain setting thing works on the LP2, it *should* still give a 1:1 gain ratio input to output when the gain setting is changed, ....but it seems from the demo that it doesn't, as there's apparent gain staging problems where there really shouldn't be. i.e. the ideal way to deal with a low headroom element in the signal chain is set the level going in to it, and totally compensate that for it on the way out. So..when you change the level, the only things that shift are noise floor and distortion headroom...not the signal output level. (if this *is* a problem, and I'm only guessing here, then that should be fixable in a couple of lines of code). andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 09:29:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B88F6183461; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 09:29:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=bFvI0/NG2NQ5TaiZiEEr1g3GmUHr82Ts7tt8wU/p5H8=; b=GV2255+gdvw7SqHLtRjK1ICVJAJ5biWzE/sbLTTTH3PwVwHcYhA6a+ap0jM59HQ2XI WToRHrU3BHnU9mHfd1UqcPpUZB8RoPiDW5tr2h59xqKQyWSCZABw+yZdMJIdR1tVmyeh 5jiGJ0pCfxc/BhJMo6kCtRM3H8dkITn7B8njTCqV2dt1PCpLU/1COnLI8PoVrNUlgd1F SMJ3wl2eFLqKfpnV8bO9WYvB+ef9M/e/dv/nqbpMc43W73G3PFXjNt+trLsQh8OwzDQA SVfvSNAdNyfKxhQ0HAwBbNiY4ir7i3MiSnKcnXZaiSvcYJV3IxKVjQSOFjcv3/rBa/+h dbHQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4F7E8A30.2040500@cruzio.com> References: <4F7E8A30.2040500@cruzio.com> From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 11:29:22 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: xTN1Dg5m0Awf_2IvWmWaApNIB2Y Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: loops with a drummer? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d040710abe71b3d04bcff4b81 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 09:29:44 +0000 (UTC) --f46d040710abe71b3d04bcff4b81 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > What I've discovered is one can understand extremely complex rhythms > (syncopations, polyrhythms and odd > meters) if they understand the sub-pulse in the rhythm in question. > Nothing to do with drumming but just regarding this point from Rick, I remember struggling with Jungle Music (which ostensibly became Drum and Bass years later) I hated the clickety clackety stop start rhythms and was more into the metronomic four on the floor of techno and industrial IDM. However, I always make it a DUTY of mine to listen and listen to new musics that come along, till I GET why the kids are digging it... I refuse to be left behind, I might still prefer Can, Kraftwerk or the Pistols, but I think I get Merzbow, or Skrillix or Lady Gaga for fuck sake... Anyway... Once I was round the house of Colin Newman (the singer in the band Wire) and we were smoking a big one and listening to music, and he told me he loved Jungle, especially purely instrumental Jungle. I told him I hated it, and he said.." listen again... this time ignore the tinny speeded up Amen break, just hear the bass and the pulse..." So he put on a 12"... In a second I became a fan... Suddenly this irritating music, became some of the deepest dub from Lee Scratch or King Tubby... Its all in the pulse... And I agree... when playing drums with loops, listening for the underlying groove or pulse is the way to play... When you drive you dont look out of the side window at the verge of the road to help you steer, you look far far ahead in front of you... Mark -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d040710abe71b3d04bcff4b81 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
What I've discovered is one can understand extremely c= omplex rhythms (syncopations, polyrhythms and odd
meters) =A0if they understand the sub-pulse in the rhythm in question.

Nothing to do with drumming but just regarding this = point from Rick, I remember struggling with Jungle Music (which ostensibly = became Drum and Bass years later) I hated the clickety clackety stop start = rhythms and was more into the metronomic four on the floor of techno and in= dustrial IDM.
However, I always make it a DUTY of mine to listen and listen to new musics= that come along, till I GET why the kids are digging it... I refuse to be = left behind, I might still prefer Can, Kraftwerk or the Pistols, but I thin= k I get Merzbow, or Skrillix or Lady Gaga for fuck sake...

Anyway...

Once I was round the house of Colin Newman (the singer= in the band Wire) and we were smoking a big one and listening to music, an= d he told me he loved Jungle, especially purely instrumental Jungle. I told= him I hated it, and he said.." listen again... this time ignore the t= inny speeded up Amen break, just hear the bass and the pulse..."
So he put on a 12"...
In a second I became a fan...
Suddenly th= is irritating music, became some of the deepest dub from Lee Scratch or Kin= g Tubby...
Its all in the pulse...

And I agree... when playing d= rums with loops, listening for the underlying groove or pulse is the way to= play...

When you drive you dont look out of the side window at the verge of the= road to help you steer, you look far far ahead in front of you...

M= ark



--
Mark Francom= be
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--f46d040710abe71b3d04bcff4b81-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 15:07:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0765183464; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 15:07:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "BC" To: References: <017a01cd1396$2c4da2c0$84e8e840$@comcast.net> <4F52352A-1F4A-475E-AAD5-A19F88DCE63D@frontier.com> In-Reply-To: <4F52352A-1F4A-475E-AAD5-A19F88DCE63D@frontier.com> Subject: RE: Eventide Space vs. Strymon Timeline...Opinions? Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 11:07:33 -0400 Message-ID: <00ae01cd1406$ff367250$fda356f0$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQJZOA1H0k9tKZyFOT/f/bzsugXsYAKLfDpsAhZTWf0Cor75RwGYZM6DlS60bvA= X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120326-1, 03/26/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 15:07:36 +0000 (UTC) Holy moly, I need to educate myself a little better in this. I thought that the Blue Sky is a reverb unit (as you said), that the Timeline is a reverb unit on steroids, and that the Eventide Space was a delay unit. That's what I read on a gear message board. Watching the demos I thought that both the Timeline and Space were combination reverb/delay. I was focusing mostly on the sounds they were producing and less on the specs, so I'll study up. I'm very intrigued but the droning sounds achievable by the Timeline. I'm getting a little tired of my "Verse-chorus" performances and want to expand into creating some more spacey soundscapes (if that's still a currently used term). Thanks for the input. Brian -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Shirkey [mailto:jcshirke@frontier.com] Subject: Re: Eventide Space vs. Strymon Timeline...Opinions? On Apr 5, 2012, at 10:47 PM, Bennett Williams wrote: > I have not used the Strymon, > Fwiw, the Strymon reverb is called the "Blue Sky". Cool as it is, it's not anywhere near being in the same league as Eventide's Space. I'm not sure which pedals the original poster meant to compare, though. Comparing Space and Timeline doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The Timeline isn't a reverb unit. It's one hell of a delay pedal, though, with interesting effects--filters, some pitch shifting, etc. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 15:26:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DC7B183461; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 15:26:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 549 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 15:26:44 UTC X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvwEANAHf08yaAKA/2dsb2JhbABDuSqDEAEBAQMBOAJECwtGV4giBbcSjSyCQWMEiFqTBI1J X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,381,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="228359165" X-Originating-IP: [50.104.2.128] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.2.128 Message-Id: From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00ae01cd1406$ff367250$fda356f0$@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Eventide Space vs. Strymon Timeline...Opinions? Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 10:16:19 -0500 References: <017a01cd1396$2c4da2c0$84e8e840$@comcast.net> <4F52352A-1F4A-475E-AAD5-A19F88DCE63D@frontier.com> <00ae01cd1406$ff367250$fda356f0$@comcast.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <77LGiC.A.tW.0swfPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 15:26:44 +0000 (UTC) Brian, I think you'd be pretty blown away by the Eventide Space (for a ton of different reverb functions, plus a "crystals" type effect, which is reverb + an octave of pitch shifting) + the Strymon Timeline. If you were to grab both of those pedals, you would have just about endless options for creating your spacey soundscapes. The Eventide TimeFactor is also a great delay pedal, but, the Strymon Timeline would give you even more options. I think it does everything the TimeFactor does and then some. It's the "then some" I think you'd really dig, based on what you've said. My .02! Jeff On Apr 6, 2012, at 10:07 AM, BC wrote: > Holy moly, I need to educate myself a little better in this. > > I thought that the Blue Sky is a reverb unit (as you said), that the > Timeline is a reverb unit on steroids, and that the Eventide Space > was a > delay unit. That's what I read on a gear message board. > I'm getting a little tired of > my "Verse-chorus" performances and want to expand into creating some > more > spacey soundscapes (if that's still a currently used term). > > Thanks for the input. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 16:34:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07C33183475; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 16:34:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Looperlative LP2 Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 09:34:46 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 16:34:55 +0000 (UTC) Hi Zak, I have not been paying much attention to LD as of late, and since I haven't received my LP-2 yet, I'm waiting till all of the pre orders have been met before I get one, I'm very curious about what your signal path from start to finish is. One thing I have noticed about my own rig when I'm using tube amps is , because I have a host of gain increasing effects placed in front of my amp, I have taken to using the low gain input on my tube amps. I prefer low wattage amps like my trusty BF princeton reverb, and since these amps don't have the headroom of higher wattage amps, more care must be taken to get the signal right before it hits the amp. One such effect, the Xotic ep booster is always on and because it can boost the signal at least 20 db, I find I have less likelihood of overdriving the amp inadvertently when I'm playing clean if I use the lower gain input.. I use a variety of string gauges and pickup types, so I have to be diligent when changing from a guitar with relatively low out put, like my strat set up with a 010-048 set, to a guitar with humbucking pickups and heavy strings like my asher lap steel set up with a gauge that goes from 016-058. I actually will vary the settings on my ep booster or my compressor to compensate for the gain disparity between various instruments. All of this I assume is old news to you, but if you still have the LP-2, and its not too much trouble, I would be most curious to see what your signal path is guitar to amp, and if there might be a solution to your issue that might have been overlooked. In regards to the Gear Page, From my personal experience I find that the Gear Page tends to be a bit more savage when it comes to teeing off on manufacturers we have been disappointed by, so there is a tendency on this site which I believe has been in existence for a longer period of time and is perhaps a bit more familial and dare i say intimate. So I think what you got was a general reaction , when someone mentioned that Bob was being raked over the coals on GP. That was my first reaction, but reading your post I realized it was not a tirade of miss-directed anger like I see so much of on the Gear Page. The last time I posted a review there, on the OWA 1960 compressor, i got a response from some dude in France , slagging the designer, because he felt he was treated rudely. What kind of "review" is that? Its those kinds of "reviews" that I see that trigger knee jerk reactions from me when I see them directed at designers I know and like, or in the case of a guy like Bob, whom I really love. I know he will get it right, and I hope you revisit the product again at some point. Cheers Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 18:38:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAF2F183479; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 18:38:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=91yG0f4aw5bQdaPPcnndMaMmUFvTosU53EDUXCM4GHg=; b=R2lWY8HJrjQkajjhzpgh5b9BkHYdPTB2dHVdZvE8kEmmA0m5P3GKOVicAQgQc/BDlj B0uPgY1T+EFY9DDBzJuMFMGBL2s2s/CegdoYfkJM4te4h98KyM+MRo9W1QE9tuOzpJO7 xE/ufdl6iUbh0qkSpnbat58YoX27ofZnTn4u6adhXteeZVLP0RUDZ70SVkPFTnok+dp3 yS4DsiPh2YgBvkB2CQ7vHIJ0wFGmR6z904oCGZE13bXNwgXTGqJ2yfbkGxmWcip3ARf5 FQ1pDyMICtOBILJQKzAh0fbikJsnjlMlKYmAxriR8nbkLz3j9bA4U+CRfo7wlfoy3848 gt6A== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Subject: Re: Eventide Space vs. Strymon Timeline...Opinions? From: Todd Matthews In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 14:38:49 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8391B010-6604-4934-8226-FD06D63BD0DA@gmail.com> References: <017a01cd1396$2c4da2c0$84e8e840$@comcast.net> <4F52352A-1F4A-475E-AAD5-A19F88DCE63D@frontier.com> <00ae01cd1406$ff367250$fda356f0$@comcast.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 18:38:53 +0000 (UTC) I just did a quick search on the Timeline. It doesn't seem like it's out = yet. Anybody know the release date? -------------------- Todd Matthews toddbass.com twitter: gtodd876 On Apr 6, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > Brian, >=20 > I think you'd be pretty blown away by the Eventide Space (for a ton of = different reverb functions, plus a "crystals" type effect, which is = reverb + an octave of pitch shifting) + the Strymon Timeline. If you = were to grab both of those pedals, you would have just about endless = options for creating your spacey soundscapes. >=20 > The Eventide TimeFactor is also a great delay pedal, but, the Strymon = Timeline would give you even more options. I think it does everything = the TimeFactor does and then some. It's the "then some" I think you'd = really dig, based on what you've said. >=20 > My .02! >=20 > Jeff >=20 > On Apr 6, 2012, at 10:07 AM, BC wrote: >=20 >> Holy moly, I need to educate myself a little better in this. >>=20 >> I thought that the Blue Sky is a reverb unit (as you said), that the >> Timeline is a reverb unit on steroids, and that the Eventide Space = was a >> delay unit. That's what I read on a gear message board. >> I'm getting a little tired of >> my "Verse-chorus" performances and want to expand into creating some = more >> spacey soundscapes (if that's still a currently used term). >>=20 >> Thanks for the input. >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 18:44:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFE6018345A; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 18:44:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=jqMGY8fb9+BIw9I7VJ6VNPxszRxkQjELBa2BpF2eke4=; b=MfHk4caasvlsWHvBxbz6Lgkq2lPB0GXt/J16utrRW95pMTvwpRd239FxKfHwW12vL+ iGPU1nCrC2iaR7Moj9AENu+knYP+dnyMBVj05IzBb+2aTz6S9hfFRIs38WClu/JtduMt iJhaIwyK2ia58q+6yGFEOtifXZacIxRqwWCCIM67oD3Q/X95KK+zJPmd0b+OwPD8e0in OU3rnJQrSbz/6zUV2hw1TaVxyNech+Vbw9yWoz2a9TlcgzoHt9I2DnfNbbt/kg7PqN7I /cYH3e72w0AAD1dBckCI194RSFbbkUbjG+MANLywM+gu9l668q0AJKbMsrrYaKkst86A opuA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8391B010-6604-4934-8226-FD06D63BD0DA@gmail.com> References: <017a01cd1396$2c4da2c0$84e8e840$@comcast.net> <4F52352A-1F4A-475E-AAD5-A19F88DCE63D@frontier.com> <00ae01cd1406$ff367250$fda356f0$@comcast.net> <8391B010-6604-4934-8226-FD06D63BD0DA@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 14:44:28 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Eventide Space vs. Strymon Timeline...Opinions? From: Jason Fistner To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04428874e1ffcb04bd070b8d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 18:44:29 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04428874e1ffcb04bd070b8d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 The Timeline has been out (at least in US). I just got one recently. It says Pre-Order on the Strymon site because they're out of stock-- not because it hasn't been released yet. http://www.strymon.net/timeline/ On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Todd Matthews wrote: > I just did a quick search on the Timeline. It doesn't seem like it's out > yet. Anybody know the release date? > > > -------------------- > Todd Matthews > toddbass.com > twitter: gtodd876 > > On Apr 6, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > > Brian, > > > > I think you'd be pretty blown away by the Eventide Space (for a ton of > different reverb functions, plus a "crystals" type effect, which is reverb > + an octave of pitch shifting) + the Strymon Timeline. If you were to grab > both of those pedals, you would have just about endless options for > creating your spacey soundscapes. > > > > The Eventide TimeFactor is also a great delay pedal, but, the Strymon > Timeline would give you even more options. I think it does everything the > TimeFactor does and then some. It's the "then some" I think you'd really > dig, based on what you've said. > > > > My .02! > > > > Jeff > > > > On Apr 6, 2012, at 10:07 AM, BC wrote: > > > >> Holy moly, I need to educate myself a little better in this. > >> > >> I thought that the Blue Sky is a reverb unit (as you said), that the > >> Timeline is a reverb unit on steroids, and that the Eventide Space was a > >> delay unit. That's what I read on a gear message board. > >> I'm getting a little tired of > >> my "Verse-chorus" performances and want to expand into creating some > more > >> spacey soundscapes (if that's still a currently used term). > >> > >> Thanks for the input. > > > > --f46d04428874e1ffcb04bd070b8d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The Timeline has been out (at least in US).=C2=A0
I just got= one recently.
It says Pre-Order on the Strymon site because they= 're out of stock-- not because it hasn't been released yet.
http://www.strymon.net/timeline/=



On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:38 PM,= Todd Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com> wrote:
I just did a quick search on the Timeline. It doesn't seem like it'= s out yet. Anybody know the release date?


--------------------
Todd Matthews
toddbass.com
twitter: gtodd876

On Apr 6, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Jeff Shirkey wrote:

> Brian,
>
> I think you'd be pretty blown away by the Eventide Space (for a to= n of different reverb functions, plus a "crystals" type effect, w= hich is reverb + an octave of pitch shifting) + the Strymon Timeline. If yo= u were to grab both of those pedals, you would have just about endless opti= ons for creating your spacey soundscapes.
>
> The Eventide TimeFactor is also a great delay pedal, but, =C2=A0the St= rymon Timeline would give you even more options. I think it does everything= the TimeFactor does and then some. It's the "then some" I th= ink you'd really dig, based on what you've said.
>
> My .02!
>
> Jeff
>
> On Apr 6, 2012, at 10:07 AM, BC wrote:
>
>> Holy moly, I need to educate myself a little better in this.
>>
>> I thought that the Blue Sky is a reverb unit (as you said), that t= he
>> Timeline is a reverb unit on steroids, and that the Eventide Space= was a
>> delay unit. That's what I read on a gear message board.
>> I'm getting a little tired of
>> my "Verse-chorus" performances and want to expand into c= reating some more
>> spacey soundscapes (if that's still a currently used term). >>
>> Thanks for the input.
>


--f46d04428874e1ffcb04bd070b8d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 18:45:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73433183461; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 18:45:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <20120406150737.07B8C183475@arsenic.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Eventide space vs Strymon timeline In-Reply-To: <20120406150737.07B8C183475@arsenic.violacea.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Kline X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CEE23C7D76B88E_2044_5292F_Webmail-m116.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35834-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEE23C7D6AD190-2044-13DDB@Webmail-m116.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [173.79.161.171] Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 14:44:53 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1333737893; bh=lI5KPIZxGh5nj3if1jr0fBZ2jv0i7TwCsYGIRBEevOI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Gqog0EH5HfbNOis7gsEDmpwzxgnu4N+QvEp7mWfwyI3GUNy8TescrbeeVxjYBQ9G3 HazX1Q5JmGcBYCZnz2deDFxNgwr6GzGJpvdGWsZ1sjmlFIP5+GU5GHdykfDrJbwaOr AHiXvCM+QmGBztxrN/u69Hnp/bU1DnIs8kArgOVU= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:416505536:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c94f7f39a52652 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 18:45:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CEE23C7D76B88E_2044_5292F_Webmail-m116.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Have both. The Strymon is an incredibly versatile and awesome sounding dela= y stomp. Has character, depth, all sorts of sounds, lots of them useful and= very tewakable, with 100 saveable presets . Space is also very versatile, = though for me not as many usable sounds for live.=20 On electric guitar both sound awesome. On electric violin [piezo pickup] Sp= ace sounds a bit metallic and a bit on the treble side, so I take off mostl= y the trebles on all presets. BUT I am very sensitive to anything that soun= ds at all digital, for example I do not like the line 6 delay on fiddle - = sounds completely metallic to me, but this is not an issue for a lot of fol= ks so could be just my ears Both of them can be controlled in real time with foot pedals to shift all s= orts of parameters, allows you to sort of morph within a preset They complement one another and going through the strymon mellows Space on = the fiddle I am considering changing to another reverb that is warmer, possibly Strymo= n's Blue sky, as piezos and fiddles just tend toward the brittler side and = the warmer the better Someone mentioned Bricasti and this box is absolutely incredible, completel= y in a league of its own in reverbs, worth every penny for mixing acoustic = instruments for sure A couple of plugins that I've been demoing this week that I really like are= Relab's emulation of the lexicon 480, which is the best reverb plugin I ha= ve heard, and Soundtoys echoboy delay, which i am going to have to get, it = is just fabulous. The warmest most versatile tape delay i have ever heard, = including hardware units and i have played echoplexes, roland space echos, = sony D7, and others and is just brilliant, unbelievable depth. Probably too= much depth for some mix applications as it is so rich. PSP's 608 multi delay which just came out is also very nice and is on speci= al this month FYI [I am not a dealer etc in any way] Dave Kline violindave@aol.com ----------MB_8CEE23C7D76B88E_2044_5292F_Webmail-m116.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Have both. The Stry= mon is an incredibly versatile and awesome sounding delay stomp. Has charac= ter, depth, all sorts of sounds, lots of them useful and very tewakable, wi= th 100 saveable presets . Space is also very versatile, though for me not a= s many usable sounds for live.
 
On electric guitar both sound awesome. On electric violin [piezo picku= p] Space sounds a bit metallic and a bit on the treble side, so I take off = mostly the trebles on all presets. BUT I am very sensitive to anything that= sounds at all digital, for example I do not like  the line 6 del= ay on fiddle - sounds completely metallic to me, but this is not an issue f= or a lot of folks so could be just my ears
 
Both of them can be controlled in real time with foot pedals to shift = all sorts of parameters, allows you to sort of morph within a preset
 
They complement one another and going through the strymon mellows Spac= e on the fiddle
 
I am considering changing to another reverb that is warmer, possibly S= trymon's Blue sky, as piezos and fiddles just tend toward the brittler side= and the warmer the better
 
Someone mentioned Bricasti and this box is absolutely incredible, comp= letely in a league of its own in reverbs, worth every penny for mixing acou= stic instruments for sure
 
A couple of plugins that I've been demoing this week that I really lik= e are Relab's emulation of the lexicon 480, which is the best reverb plugin= I have heard, and Soundtoys echoboy delay, which i am going to have to get= , it is just fabulous. The warmest most versatile tape delay i have ever he= ard, including hardware units and i have played echoplexes, roland space ec= hos, sony D7, and others and is just brilliant, unbelievable depth. Probabl= y too much depth for some mix applications as it is so rich.
 
PSP's 608 multi delay which just came out is also very nice and is on = special this month FYI [I am not a dealer etc in any way]

Dave Kline
violindave@aol.com


 ----------MB_8CEE23C7D76B88E_2044_5292F_Webmail-m116.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 18:57:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7ECA183477; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 18:57:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F7F3C8A.9010000@virgin.net> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 19:57:14 +0100 From: Dave Draper Reply-To: dh.draper@virgin.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: loops with a drummer? References: <4F7EA5B6.3080500@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4F7EA5B6.3080500@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 2012.0.1913 [2409/4918] X-Originating-Smarthost02-IP: [82.69.58.35] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 18:57:09 +0000 (UTC) Spot on mate! Dave On 06/04/2012 09:13, andy butler wrote: > Torben Scharling wrote: > >> In my experience the two biggest factors in terms of keeping time is: > > 1.Listening > 2.Not thinking the other person is out of time. > > andy ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2409/4918 - Release Date: 04/06/12 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 18:58:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCF59183465; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 18:58:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=KnG6O4N2vUhIaPHkIPH+0nkqCZpdnHjct9bDDSkeX5s=; b=qzttBcHc6K1ESOhvjg2Gwa678YszV9kpKgIurJcPU6lVb1R+2LEEa+PN9IjYY5BhPl Ph7Z8RQ4ptAOXBrlCsWBNGcdQPBXfiI8nlbvWYWqyIs7lRpp0z9djJge+tvq/uV6c3FU 7j/7cXDt77y7aDz76Vpk2EqZiCpjfA/e0RzwWisekSdMMqs6DXr8h3sDqoHHL4CADInc pOqBSJSPrbTyAUAGBdfEr/Z6UkzN17m3I8/cjLZ0Auj+uwP6FIRRx1B3gU2fQmB5xf+K fdWH6lyrpfouIg5divHmkAQDtf8Y68uJFz1XjcmKD+4z2PuHbR4ZPAXKn3MrQH6ZpMCw DAlw== From: Todd Matthews Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D5AD60E4-06B6-4BE7-8A6C-0884918D7C94" Subject: Re: Eventide space vs Strymon timeline Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 14:58:25 -0400 In-Reply-To: <8CEE23C7D6AD190-2044-13DDB@Webmail-m116.sysops.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20120406150737.07B8C183475@arsenic.violacea.com> <8CEE23C7D6AD190-2044-13DDB@Webmail-m116.sysops.aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 18:58:28 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_D5AD60E4-06B6-4BE7-8A6C-0884918D7C94 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm with you on the space pedal sounding metallic on the treble side = with a piezo pickup on bass fiddle. I roll off the highs as well. You = using any eq or comp pedals to help out with your arco piezo pickup = tone? Thanks for the review of the timeline! Sounds like I need to try one = out.=20 Time to get rid of my boomerang/side car as I can't seem to get it to = work for me( again:) ). Anybody interested since there is an upcoming = midi update? -------------------- Todd Matthews toddbass.com twitter: gtodd876 On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:44 PM, Dave Kline wrote: > Have both. The Strymon is an incredibly versatile and awesome sounding = delay stomp. Has character, depth, all sorts of sounds, lots of them = useful and very tewakable, with 100 saveable presets . Space is also = very versatile, though for me not as many usable sounds for live. > =20 > On electric guitar both sound awesome. On electric violin [piezo = pickup] Space sounds a bit metallic and a bit on the treble side, so I = take off mostly the trebles on all presets. BUT I am very sensitive to = anything that sounds at all digital, for example I do not like the line = 6 delay on fiddle - sounds completely metallic to me, but this is not an = issue for a lot of folks so could be just my ears > =20 > Both of them can be controlled in real time with foot pedals to shift = all sorts of parameters, allows you to sort of morph within a preset > =20 > They complement one another and going through the strymon mellows = Space on the fiddle > =20 > I am considering changing to another reverb that is warmer, possibly = Strymon's Blue sky, as piezos and fiddles just tend toward the brittler = side and the warmer the better > =20 > Someone mentioned Bricasti and this box is absolutely incredible, = completely in a league of its own in reverbs, worth every penny for = mixing acoustic instruments for sure > =20 > A couple of plugins that I've been demoing this week that I really = like are Relab's emulation of the lexicon 480, which is the best reverb = plugin I have heard, and Soundtoys echoboy delay, which i am going to = have to get, it is just fabulous. The warmest most versatile tape delay = i have ever heard, including hardware units and i have played = echoplexes, roland space echos, sony D7, and others and is just = brilliant, unbelievable depth. Probably too much depth for some mix = applications as it is so rich. > =20 > PSP's 608 multi delay which just came out is also very nice and is on = special this month FYI [I am not a dealer etc in any way] >=20 > Dave Kline > violindave@aol.com >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_D5AD60E4-06B6-4BE7-8A6C-0884918D7C94 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I'm = with you on the space pedal sounding metallic on the treble side with a = piezo pickup on bass fiddle. I roll off the highs as well. You using any = eq or comp pedals to help out with your arco piezo pickup = tone?

Thanks for the review of the timeline! Sounds = like I need to try one out. 

Time to get = rid of my boomerang/side car as I can't seem to get it to work for me( = again:) ). Anybody interested since there is an upcoming midi = update?
toddbass.com
twitter: = gtodd876

On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:44 PM, Dave Kline wrote:

Have both. The = Strymon is an incredibly versatile and awesome sounding delay stomp. Has = character, depth, all sorts of sounds, lots of them useful and very = tewakable, with 100 saveable presets . Space is also very versatile, = though for me not as many usable sounds for live.
 
On electric guitar both sound awesome. On electric violin [piezo = pickup] Space sounds a bit metallic and a bit on the treble side, so I = take off mostly the trebles on all presets. BUT I am very sensitive to = anything that sounds at all digital, for example I do not like =  the line 6 delay on fiddle - sounds completely metallic to me, but = this is not an issue for a lot of folks so could be just my ears
 
Both of them can be controlled in real time with foot pedals to = shift all sorts of parameters, allows you to sort of morph within a = preset
 
They complement one another and going through the strymon mellows = Space on the fiddle
 
I am considering changing to another reverb that is warmer, = possibly Strymon's Blue sky, as piezos and fiddles just tend toward the = brittler side and the warmer the better
 
Someone mentioned Bricasti and this box is absolutely incredible, = completely in a league of its own in reverbs, worth every penny for = mixing acoustic instruments for sure
 
A couple of plugins that I've been demoing this week that I really = like are Relab's emulation of the lexicon 480, which is the best reverb = plugin I have heard, and Soundtoys echoboy delay, which i am going to = have to get, it is just fabulous. The warmest most versatile tape delay = i have ever heard, including hardware units and i have played = echoplexes, roland space echos, sony D7, and others and is just = brilliant, unbelievable depth. Probably too much depth for some mix = applications as it is so rich.
 
PSP's 608 multi delay which just came out is also very nice and is = on special this month FYI [I am not a dealer etc in any way]

Dave Kline
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= --Apple-Mail=_D5AD60E4-06B6-4BE7-8A6C-0884918D7C94-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 19:00:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D13AF18347A; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 19:00:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvwEACo8f08yaAKA/2dsb2JhbABFuSKDEAEBAQMBOAJECwtGV4giBbpSjSyCQWMEiFqTBIcphiA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,381,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="243819633" X-Originating-IP: [50.104.2.128] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.2.128 Message-Id: <16DED24D-B728-4269-AB4A-BB718F634243@frontier.com> From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8391B010-6604-4934-8226-FD06D63BD0DA@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Eventide Space vs. Strymon Timeline...Opinions? Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 13:58:53 -0500 References: <017a01cd1396$2c4da2c0$84e8e840$@comcast.net> <4F52352A-1F4A-475E-AAD5-A19F88DCE63D@frontier.com> <00ae01cd1406$ff367250$fda356f0$@comcast.net> <8391B010-6604-4934-8226-FD06D63BD0DA@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 19:00:10 +0000 (UTC) On Apr 6, 2012, at 1:38 PM, Todd Matthews wrote: > I just did a quick search on the Timeline. It doesn't seem like it's > out yet. Anybody know the release date? No. It's been out for quite some time--maybe a year or more. It's just constantly backordered. Place your order now, and they ship a.s.a.p. The wait isn't nearly as long as it used to be, though. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 19:38:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12D3B183479; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 19:38:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 19:38:19 UTC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" X-Originating-IP: 192.150.22.5 User-Agent: Workspace Webmail 5.6.15 Message-Id: <20120406122756.cf1bf4dd1663421b591f059a487399bd.f1993d57a4.wbe@email11.secureserver.net> From: "Mark Hamburg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looperlative LP2 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 12:27:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 19:38:19 +0000 (UTC)
I do wish the side car had the wholly roller built in since that = would make it easier to justify the board space.

M= ark
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=0ASubject: Re: Looperlative LP2
=0AFro= m: Bennett Williams <b= ennettwilliamsdrums@gmail.com>
=0ADate: Thu, April 05, 2012 7:42 = am
=0ATo: Loopers= -Delight@loopers-delight.com
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=0ADEFINITELY get the side car!!= ! With the Side Car, you can assign the yellow bonus button on the Boomeran= g to Loop#4, and then you still have three bonus buttons left, along with a= ll of the regular play/stop/erase buttons, etc., on the Side Car. It is wor= th every penny to spend the extra cash for the Side Car if you are a loopin= g artist. It really opens up all of the possibilities that the Boomerang ca= n do.

The only bad thing I can say is that with the Boomerang and = Side Car, you have two really big pedals on the floor now. I decided to put= mine on a pedalboard, get a Voodoo Labs Digital power supply, and a few ot= her pedals, and now the looping gear is all in one place & connected. C= heck out the link:

https://plus.= google.com/photos/110438867527796473566/albums/5727925743660479297
<= br>-Bennett
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 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 19:39:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87F2718348F; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 19:39:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=1F7Xi8rDaaEwAPV3CpVUqpA3QBtKgQVqRvN3v0elK+8=; b=IUJOtcAeoZyTJxTMq0oqVUQqhmS9A3Tx9puKygq5O1ib7CmPS2fQi9Q71ubv+SXd4N bO5retTIHB1zjdGa6WqBPEeo4upUGUOUyTLrjKwOXI5ox2w3NXWwJ1TAYcj4aOEnEujv 8W35824rfSoQOTOpaAZqoOBhqd3H59Ocz+buzP0bxPM4t33FlOdGeCv6IgwDioUEMeij Fv3bYZpp5lL0cj+C8FlaP/GoLUa7KCBDKloWEV5dIiuixGZGy/vPq+Lwp/Fgo3kZL5WM fVxNrOE/BYrhH30dwyvaqsf+au0K10HfFsRjI3O9liOdvo3shtLWoV3MjQHAyujkEZ1j 68XQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120406122756.cf1bf4dd1663421b591f059a487399bd.f1993d57a4.wbe@email11.secureserver.net> References: <20120406122756.cf1bf4dd1663421b591f059a487399bd.f1993d57a4.wbe@email11.secureserver.net> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 15:39:44 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Looperlative LP2 From: Bennett Williams To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93406918669fe04bd07d1a8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 19:39:45 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93406918669fe04bd07d1a8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 They are making a separate roller you can hook up. On Apr 6, 2012 3:38 PM, "Mark Hamburg" wrote: > I do wish the side car had the wholly roller built in since that would > make it easier to justify the board space. > > Mark > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: Looperlative LP2 > From: Bennett Williams > Date: Thu, April 05, 2012 7:42 am > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > DEFINITELY get the side car!!! With the Side Car, you can assign the > yellow bonus button on the Boomerang to Loop#4, and then you still have > three bonus buttons left, along with all of the regular play/stop/erase > buttons, etc., on the Side Car. It is worth every penny to spend the extra > cash for the Side Car if you are a looping artist. It really opens up all > of the possibilities that the Boomerang can do. > > The only bad thing I can say is that with the Boomerang and Side Car, you > have two really big pedals on the floor now. I decided to put mine on a > pedalboard, get a Voodoo Labs Digital power supply, and a few other pedals, > and now the looping gear is all in one place & connected. Check out the > link: > > > https://plus.google.com/photos/110438867527796473566/albums/5727925743660479297 > > -Bennett > > --14dae93406918669fe04bd07d1a8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

They are making a separate roller you can hook up.

On Apr 6, 2012 3:38 PM, "Mark Hamburg"= <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
I do wish the = side car had the wholly roller built in since that would make it easier to = justify the board space.

Mark
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Looperlative LP2
From: Bennett Williams <bennettwilliamsdrums@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, April 05, 2012 7:42 am
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

DEFINITELY get the side car!!! With the Side Car, you can assign the yellow= bonus button on the Boomerang to Loop#4, and then you still have three bon= us buttons left, along with all of the regular play/stop/erase buttons, etc= ., on the Side Car. It is worth every penny to spend the extra cash for the= Side Car if you are a looping artist. It really opens up all of the possib= ilities that the Boomerang can do.

The only bad thing I can say is that with the Boomerang and Side Car, = you have two really big pedals on the floor now. I decided to put mine on a= pedalboard, get a Voodoo Labs Digital power supply, and a few other pedals= , and now the looping gear is all in one place & connected. Check out t= he link:

https://plus.google.com/photos/1104= 38867527796473566/albums/5727925743660479297

-Bennett
=20
--14dae93406918669fe04bd07d1a8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 19:50:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AE8A18347A; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 19:50:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <20120406193820.55DBE18348D@arsenic.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Eventide space vs Strymon timeline In-Reply-To: <20120406193820.55DBE18348D@arsenic.violacea.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Kline X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CEE245AB41892C_2044_53C57_Webmail-m116.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35834-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEE245AB334122-2044-14231@Webmail-m116.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [173.79.161.171] Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 15:50:36 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1333741836; bh=auKQnhJe3xCLXkpa2iHgowB9mrC+ekuLNQhrDXX4PDo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qvDQjBtrH/gEf2ctLMZxXCdtLHdtLrZtVkVLmOftEnLZRzggeZooNQOLxShwLeaRf V8Ij99rYmGeTfpIGS8sl1Dm5nqEB0UsNd9eAChZoxUCp0DXfHf/LOBUc+TbW+QmVsS q1wwj2yBq4EASqxFRtCpnvMyWGGUhTsRbUwMY+tg= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:418028576:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33894f7f490c36fe Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 19:50:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CEE245AB41892C_2044_53C57_Webmail-m116.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Todd, not using any EQ or compression to help with piezo pickup tone on the= fiddle I do mostly play through tube amps though and use the EQ on those. Another = trick I use is I have a Boss DD6 modified by analogman.com, which in additi= on to being a nice delay stomp has settings for cutting the highs and I wil= l keep this on and in line even if I turn the delay time to nothing and it = imports a nice warmth of its own I'm definitely a delay freak.=20 By the way to clarify someone was confused on which was delay which was rev= erb - on the Space it does have some delays in it, mostly in conjunction wi= th reverb, but it is primarliy a verb with various added sounds as desired,= shimmers, black holes, morphy type things, chorusy type things, flanges et= c or just plain verbs, halls, plates, rooms Dave ----------MB_8CEE245AB41892C_2044_53C57_Webmail-m116.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"

Todd, not using any EQ or compression to help with piezo pickup tone on the= fiddle
 
I do mostly play through tube amps though and use the EQ on those. Ano= ther trick I use is I have a Boss DD6 modified by analogman.com, which in a= ddition to being a nice delay stomp has settings for cutting the highs and = I will keep this on and in line even if I turn the delay time to nothing an= d it imports a nice warmth of its own
 
I'm definitely a delay freak. 
 
By the way to clarify someone was confused on which was delay which wa= s reverb - on the Space it does have some delays in it, mostly in conjuncti= on with reverb, but it is primarliy a verb with various added sounds as des= ired, shimmers, black holes, morphy type things, chorusy type things, flang= es etc or just plain verbs, halls, plates, rooms
 
Dave
 ----------MB_8CEE245AB41892C_2044_53C57_Webmail-m116.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 20:35:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1625183474; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 20:35:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com x-cmae-analysis: v=2.0 cv=AOhPsyWm c=1 sm=1 a=qNI9E970rIAA:10 a=PA-ZSVflhZgA:10 a=E6Oywg-XBLQA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=vE9Yp3RhAAAA:8 a=1XWaLZrsAAAA:8 a=vqdfJOcbzIqaZEK52Y4A:9 a=r4ywIwFuaBwVoA8Q7DYA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=zXEfOMw5J-gA:10 a=RahRBVHWOTwtetjb:21 a=uULu9aiLSWyssrA4:21 a=iTonCjQIEtjkbTlPvRc16w==:117 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" X-Originating-IP: 192.150.22.5 User-Agent: Workspace Webmail 5.6.15 Message-Id: <20120406133527.cf1bf4dd1663421b591f059a487399bd.ecbc8958c0.wbe@email11.secureserver.net> From: "Mark Hamburg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looperlative LP2 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 13:35:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 20:35:30 +0000 (UTC)
Yes, but that's more board space.

Mark=0A
=0A
=0A-------- O= riginal Message --------
=0ASubject: RE: Looperlative LP2
=0AFrom: Be= nnett Williams <bennet= twilliamsdrums@gmail.com>
=0ADate: Fri, April 06, 2012 12:39 pm=0ATo: Loopers-Del= ight@loopers-delight.com
=0A
=0A
They are making a separate r= oller you can hook up.
On Apr 6, 2012 3:3= 8 PM, "Mark Hamburg" <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
I do wish the side car had the wholly roller built in since that would m= ake it easier to justify the board space.

Mark
-------- Original Messa= ge --------
Subject: Re: Looperlative LP2
From: Bennett Williams &l= t;benne= ttwilliamsdrums@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, April 05, 2012 7:42 am
= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

DEFINITELY get the side= car!!! With the Side Car, you can assign the yellow bonus button on the Bo= omerang to Loop#4, and then you still have three bonus buttons left, along = with all of the regular play/stop/erase buttons, etc., on the Side Car. It = is worth every penny to spend the extra cash for the Side Car if you are a = looping artist. It really opens up all of the possibilities that the Boomer= ang can do.

The only bad thing I can say is that with the Boomeran= g and Side Car, you have two really big pedals on the floor now. I decided = to put mine on a pedalboard, get a Voodoo Labs Digital power supply, and a = few other pedals, and now the looping gear is all in one place & connec= ted. Check out the link:

https:/= /plus.google.com/photos/110438867527796473566/albums/5727925743660479297

-Bennett
= =0A
=0A
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 20:58:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40CE6183479; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 20:58:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=j/qZ++Se/kgM3bI/7J0WpuQ5a9tkXGTt1FkAuM2J5wf191hd/soGr8A/0bMCN6X1; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <19727272.1333745883339.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 15:58:03 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Grant Reply-To: Grant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Eventide space vs Strymon timeline Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: 4627597e215714c3ca853a8129e90869f402879cecb40bd59094588abeb0f2d23184e00d9871b35bf1c9905753437e9f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.35 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 20:58:04 +0000 (UTC)

What was(is) the problem?

 

G

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 23:23:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF0F3183486; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 23:23:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=+L+BudLYzoAXuf7PyvcSYeGMariHmsJWpYM6qJcvIyk=; b=hA7xZ6mqwshnlq0l+MrARpAySQeDwgpNtAtV8V3plNM57lNw7lBkN3gUzYG8Zm83Bb R3IllXRgG5ZcrhjawbsMqARZkJAaEI/r9E8AjtVhv4iytS3HgVKUsRc7zE2OwkigG0HX uGNDxwVsOHnyG//mnN3DDMgqpMWYWKavqkg8AjvFBNPSOK5/QMo2PwV2GXT4p5Ua2zqw BCrNYSOfL3KTA/eFBbyo5kV940ZsLTPmBdJSxSd5nScZ6zRJ9sLKRJRiGWzwfp6qB6RV Lu6AVOtQI0BgDmazQJJTxJuGbSV7f5uxt3OUq2j62K+MqCiCO6R4/uw/lgjhRfoiXG7d dwyw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 02:23:51 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sharing album stream "Love 4 Glitch" on streamnets From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec52c6a4f07bbff04bd0af3ee Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 23:23:52 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec52c6a4f07bbff04bd0af3ee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My monitoring is awful, the other speaker just too near the wall - that's probably the cause, its just really hard to get decent distance from the wall in home listening conditions 2012/4/5 Per Boysen > Thank you for the boom note, Petri! I appreciate the feedback on how > it sounds on your system. The mix has no particular resonance peak > around 2.00 and is well within the limits for playback on a normal > system so I guess the bass happens to be in resonance with your > speakers. I have good full range speakers here that play back > everything pretty close to how it is mixed but my windows has an awful > resonance tendency around 200 Hz. The start shattering like the house > is going to fall down and since I don't want to scare the life out of > my neighbor's three dogs upstairs I dive at the volume fader when that > mechanical phenomenon starts ;-)) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Petri Lahtinen > wrote: > > There were quite "boomy" bass frequencies on "Distorted beauty" on 2:00 > min > > mark, > > but maybe my stereo system is just not capable of playing them cleanly. > > But all in all, really nice textures and pieces - "Dance steps in > detroit" > > was my favourite :-) > > -- Petri --bcaec52c6a4f07bbff04bd0af3ee Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My monitoring is awful, the other speaker just too near the wall - that'= ;s probably the cause,
its just really hard to get decent distance from = the wall in home listening conditions

201= 2/4/5 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
Thank you for the boom note, Petri! I apprec= iate the feedback on how
it sounds on your system. The mix has no particular resonance peak
around 2.00 and is well within the limits for playback on a normal
system so I guess the bass happens to be in resonance with your
speakers. I have good full range speakers here that play back
everything pretty close to how it is mixed but my windows has an awful
resonance tendency around 200 Hz. The start shattering like the house
is going to fall down and since I don't want to scare the life out of my neighbor's three dogs upstairs I dive at the volume fader when that<= br> mechanical phenomenon starts ;-))

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen



On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 5:32 P= M, Petri Lahtinen
<kollegavalmentaja@gmail.= com> wrote:
> There were quite "boomy" bass frequencies on "Distorted= beauty" on 2:00 min
> mark,
> but maybe my stereo system is just not capable of playing them cleanly= .
> But all in all, really nice textures and pieces - "Dance steps in= detroit"
> was my favourite :-)




--
Petri
<= br>
--bcaec52c6a4f07bbff04bd0af3ee-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 7 01:23:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90E89183464; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 01:23:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=NQzYN1yUEDeMOremLDNoLpGX5nE/WfxiymvlOfHw2l8=; b=t0f4KKB8jOxnpJlHWhsDOnnyBjaBZ/lP0iTf71ASEmwfOhOUqICfPCJsWzi4tW1oJ8 ktYf8gXBJq1ksoAxcJlPFbYsg/uY6z++ERlHXkEd1w6obsJcj5yGVbMoOnUaCxXtcQ9J xzwMwmLfZY53yA5SCYPG6piQUWt1o+KDsgUp2Zhsg9GZDs0CtIXDbVH0Z+K7UNLYujYl knPvq1a6BBvIhSSlWFGgo84tptcPhCNiiAoI0CXb1KT2TT/jPCPgNFdpNPXtDrzpkOlT RNvOKnaCQZuuMl8pOK2SVK4Mls3aaxbogKcWJnxcOSW5meK8y18ptbvcYn085wAKHcQb qBQw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120406133527.cf1bf4dd1663421b591f059a487399bd.ecbc8958c0.wbe@email11.secureserver.net> References: <20120406133527.cf1bf4dd1663421b591f059a487399bd.ecbc8958c0.wbe@email11.secureserver.net> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 21:23:44 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looperlative LP2 From: Jason Fistner To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04428874c1391704bd0c9f7d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 01:23:45 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04428874c1391704bd0c9f7d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Space on the side car does seem underutilized. I'm going to attach a foot controllable knob or two. Also, I find that I can't have the rang and side car right up against each other because the buttons are too close for comfort. I've got a volume pedal in between so there's no empty space (the rang, ernie ball volume, side car and timeline just fit across a pedaltrain pro) at the moment but I worry about accidentally pressing a button in the heel position. On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > Yes, but that's more board space. > > Mark > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: Looperlative LP2 > From: Bennett Williams > Date: Fri, April 06, 2012 12:39 pm > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > They are making a separate roller you can hook up. > On Apr 6, 2012 3:38 PM, "Mark Hamburg" wrote: > >> I do wish the side car had the wholly roller built in since that would >> make it easier to justify the board space. >> >> Mark >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Re: Looperlative LP2 >> From: Bennett Williams >> Date: Thu, April 05, 2012 7:42 am >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> DEFINITELY get the side car!!! With the Side Car, you can assign the >> yellow bonus button on the Boomerang to Loop#4, and then you still have >> three bonus buttons left, along with all of the regular play/stop/erase >> buttons, etc., on the Side Car. It is worth every penny to spend the extra >> cash for the Side Car if you are a looping artist. It really opens up all >> of the possibilities that the Boomerang can do. >> >> The only bad thing I can say is that with the Boomerang and Side Car, you >> have two really big pedals on the floor now. I decided to put mine on a >> pedalboard, get a Voodoo Labs Digital power supply, and a few other pedals, >> and now the looping gear is all in one place & connected. Check out the >> link: >> >> >> https://plus.google.com/photos/110438867527796473566/albums/5727925743660479297 >> >> -Bennett >> >> --f46d04428874c1391704bd0c9f7d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Space on the side car does seem underutilized. I'm going to attach a fo= ot controllable knob or two.
Also, I find that I can't have the ran= g and side car right up against each other because the buttons are too clos= e for comfort.
I've got a volume pedal in between so there's no empty space (= the rang, ernie ball volume, side car and timeline just fit across a pedalt= rain pro) at the moment but I worry about accidentally pressing a button in= the heel position.



On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 = at 4:35 PM, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
Yes, but that&= #39;s more board space.

Mark
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Looperlative LP2
From: Bennett Williams <bennettwilliamsdrums@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, April 06, 2012 12:39 pm
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

They are making a separate roller you can hook up.
On Apr 6, 2012 3:38 PM, "Mark Hamburg" <mark@grubmah.com> w= rote:
I do wish the side car had the wholly roller built in sin= ce that would make it easier to justify the board space.

Mark
<= div> -------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Looperlative LP2 From: Bennett Williams <bennettwilliamsdrums@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, = April 05, 2012 7:42 am
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

DEFINITELY get the side car!!! With the Side Car, you can assign the = yellow bonus button on the Boomerang to Loop#4, and then you still have thr= ee bonus buttons left, along with all of the regular play/stop/erase button= s, etc., on the Side Car. It is worth every penny to spend the extra cash f= or the Side Car if you are a looping artist. It really opens up all of the = possibilities that the Boomerang can do.

The only bad thing I can say is that with the Boomerang and Side Car, = you have two really big pedals on the floor now. I decided to put mine on a= pedalboard, get a Voodoo Labs Digital power supply, and a few other pedals= , and now the looping gear is all in one place & connected. Check out t= he link:

https://plus.google.com/photos/1104= 38867527796473566/albums/5727925743660479297

-Bennett
=20

--f46d04428874c1391704bd0c9f7d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 7 03:30:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52446183461; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 03:30:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=xGMhBFlTy8hCj1Ey6oMd5jIHDXT2VUAIPH/Z8OIPsm8=; b=flOciBk8HTbwx40/Ua0I4yfh1T5KiWNdv6jgRwXfxw+PB4vSBy2FGoGY8h+Fmgr43O 2ypn9t4EDhiRNWcjU6v2BlszyWJHTIZi7saZFVPB6sM4DMmg6xxFcmxbsAxoAyYaOCk4 uGvJ3v8mA3MsChhNi6tizrS9aAox3AUXyWyADXyq7pf2CknpjBkh0sC7h0cv3LUBC/o+ N2r3HLXVq/TS8LckH2yLOCa+QfipcEiQcKcBtUKPdbUtwKzxhf8oeI14xIitf7e1vONk h6pdVxmSj6NwJgxR07arihWFKb2xU6qutpvIOYIKGfbWOZ3KA72wM6y7LJ+Cm9bIROlW kPpQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20120406133527.cf1bf4dd1663421b591f059a487399bd.ecbc8958c0.wbe@email11.secureserver.net> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 23:30:28 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looperlative LP2 From: Zak Kramer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec531433b072cdc04bd0e6561 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 03:30:30 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec531433b072cdc04bd0e6561 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks for understanding, all. I've been on TGP for almost seven years, so I'm all too aware of its many limitations. That, in fact, was one of the big reasons I wanted to do things the way that I did, in an attempt to be useful without being defamatory. OTOH, although I've lurked on LD for years, I haven't posted often, and while I appreciate the more close knit LD community, that's also why I didn't post the clip here when I made it. That being said, for anyone who hasn't heard the clip, here it is for context: http://soundcloud.com/bigblueguitar/lp2-clip There is also an explanation of what's going on in the clip. In terms of my signal chain: Gretsch 6120 with TV Classics (so fairly low output) to Line 6 M13 to LP2 to Swart Atomic Space Tone. I had the Swart set down to about 3 on the volume IIRC; it has good headroom there for my Gretsch, esp. given that I play with bare fingers or thumbpick & fingers. I don't like the low input for the Gretsch, so this was the regular input. All cable was Mogami Gold, which is hopelessly plebeian by TGP standards, but there we are. Mic was a Senn e906 -> Apogee Duet -> Mac mini running Sound Studio. The M13 was only used to record a simple loop so as to remove variables arising from different playing dynamics, etc. In performance, I usually go guitar -> looper -> amp. I haven't used pedals or other signal processors, except loopers, in performance in years. Andy mentioned how the last part of the clip is the loudest, and so it caused the amp to distort. That's mostly accurate, but not all of the story. I very carefully set the LP2 so that its dry signal was as close to unity gain as possible. You can hear that in the first 2 cycles of the M13 loop. If I wanted to get the dry signal to match the volume of the loops, needed to use the LP2's mix knob to boost the dry signal such that I lost a good bit of amp headroom, and gained a lot of noise. andy said: "I don't know how the gain setting thing works on the LP2, it *should* still give a 1:1 gain ratio input to output when the gain setting is changed, ....but it seems from the demo that it doesn't, as there's apparent gain staging problems where there really shouldn't be." That was exactly my assumption about how it should work, as well as my conclusion about how, in fact, it was working. It was very shocking to play a phrase, record it, then have the loop come out significantly louder. There is iirc, no loop volume, only a wet/dry mix knob which I used, as per the manual, to set the gain of my dry signal. HTH, Zak Kramer --bcaec531433b072cdc04bd0e6561 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for understanding, all. I've been on TGP for almost seven years,= so I'm all too aware of its many limitations. That, in fact, was one o= f the big reasons I wanted to do things the way that I did, in an attempt t= o be useful without being defamatory. OTOH, although I've lurked on LD = for years, I haven't posted often, and while I appreciate the more clos= e knit LD community, that's also why I didn't post the clip here wh= en I made it.

That being said, for anyone who hasn't heard the clip, here it is f= or context: http://soundcloud.com/bigblueguitar/lp2-clip There is also = an explanation of what's going on in the clip.

In terms of my signal chain: Gretsch 6120 with TV Classics (so fairly l= ow output) to Line 6 M13 to LP2 to Swart Atomic Space Tone. I had the Swart= set down to about 3 on the volume IIRC; it has good headroom there for my = Gretsch, esp. given that I play with bare fingers or thumbpick & finger= s. I don't like the low input for the Gretsch, so this was the regular = input. All cable was Mogami Gold, which is hopelessly plebeian by TGP stand= ards, but there we are. Mic was a Senn e906 -> Apogee Duet -> Mac min= i running Sound Studio. The M13 was only used to record a simple loop so as= to remove variables arising from different playing dynamics, etc. In perfo= rmance, I usually go guitar -> looper -> amp. I haven't used peda= ls or other signal processors, except loopers, in performance in years.

Andy mentioned how the last part of the clip is the loudest, and so it = caused the amp to distort. That's mostly accurate, but not all of the s= tory. I very carefully set the LP2 so that its dry signal was as close to u= nity gain as possible. You can hear that in the first 2 cycles of the M13 l= oop. If I wanted to get the dry signal to match the volume of the loops, ne= eded to use the LP2's mix knob to boost the dry signal such that I lost= a good bit of amp headroom, and gained a lot of noise.

andy said: "I don't know how the gain setting thing works on t= he LP2, it *should*
still give a 1:1 gain ratio input to output when the gain setting is change= d,
....but it seems from the demo that it doesn't, as there's apparent= gain staging problems
where there really shouldn't be."

That was exactly my assum= ption about how it should work, as well as my conclusion about how, in fact= , it was working. It was very shocking to play a phrase, record it, then ha= ve the loop come out significantly louder. There is iirc, no loop volume, o= nly a wet/dry mix knob which I used, as per the manual, to set the gain of = my dry signal.

HTH,

Zak Kramer
--bcaec531433b072cdc04bd0e6561-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 7 05:03:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1744183474; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 05:03:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=Q0Ijl3e0+6glmIopoSciKURslLGOCNtzbToKTE3Y38E=; b=SIcizJ6uM+1nuGjDAnQT3vhHZf/AOJtflIdpVD8YvlTqTod/KPulpnmjlLGLDlOgO2 Fp8UTqr80ASWtrYoBflAzC6M9xQU4sSvo8SSXNvHXj1pnjE0v2Op7J2YemNyEgoLLqUq CpXkHQBiJ5a7Qn6St++LYYhJ7Kkk1nuNSqdoX1+8QGcW9dP2/UvuMvNyTxqIoxK49av+ 556PUOgDX3PlDCCyxg1lvZQRXSh6d/k9zQ2NSEoo6VvyAPPZFs6AU/Fy8iEIa7aRzGOJ 3O2nhIfV4AYpQkpmrmMWw4BdN66PGprXP4koD+igLygbVD6mG66BjwI7ae+tx4uDm4+b YKpw== Subject: Reconnect with your music. From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 22:02:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 05:03:04 +0000 (UTC) How many of us have those dry seasons where feeling just isn't there? Where m= usic feels like a day to day, routine, non-profit job rather than an experie= nce? What's your method of bringing rain to those emotionless droughts? Kaylon= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 7 05:22:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1934183478; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 05:22:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=kOkmwlAnFo65CaBxBZel36qPBS+5W5fwvT0nHZGzk0M=; b=mj+8P2Vbkk2UCNKNlvwH6fNwGI+2b5qlZjGEbX2gnZ0E0gaQ6Xkp5rcmcyRNZa9mFi WP3ah7lr7s3B1GFfRONkAA8I1EM42yg4VBuRChSpVBsi2g6HqsBGbQC3tdeNhVzVcrHu HaBL5Hjk6Za+huc0yPB+a7XnD1pb8WjT52F0yoyQv3GtWlyVrnpkRnvK0rh043te2ft/ zLEKJk1gCy8AVZQbhU6aNqjTvTNLhhztIYyVC5XcAqxsJFhOEFxYzeV7i3lLdw6hmo/U mS0NZn3wvE3+7nZuEygfQ6nrDmxhLNV2rnYmf0AYtIoAxh2YV0WEuMJqZKYN1QYPvSjZ cCmA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8CEE23C7D6AD190-2044-13DDB@Webmail-m116.sysops.aol.com> References: <20120406150737.07B8C183475@arsenic.violacea.com> <8CEE23C7D6AD190-2044-13DDB@Webmail-m116.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 00:22:44 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Eventide space vs Strymon timeline From: Marcus Kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0442880e85480604bd0ff604 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 05:22:46 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0442880e85480604bd0ff604 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm glad I'm not the only one who dislikes the tone of the space. I got ripped at TGP for calling it metallic/tinny in the high end. The low-end is also very muffled. Nothing else does midi-synced reverse reverb though. On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Dave Kline wrote: > Have both. The Strymon is an incredibly versatile and awesome sounding > delay stomp. Has character, depth, all sorts of sounds, lots of them useful > and very tewakable, with 100 saveable presets . Space is also very > versatile, though for me not as many usable sounds for live. > > On electric guitar both sound awesome. On electric violin [piezo pickup] > Space sounds a bit metallic and a bit on the treble side, so I take off > mostly the trebles on all presets. BUT I am very sensitive to anything that > sounds at all digital, for example I do not like the line 6 delay on > fiddle - sounds completely metallic to me, but this is not an issue for a > lot of folks so could be just my ears > > Both of them can be controlled in real time with foot pedals to shift all > sorts of parameters, allows you to sort of morph within a preset > > They complement one another and going through the strymon mellows Space on > the fiddle > > I am considering changing to another reverb that is warmer, possibly > Strymon's Blue sky, as piezos and fiddles just tend toward the brittler > side and the warmer the better > > Someone mentioned Bricasti and this box is absolutely incredible, > completely in a league of its own in reverbs, worth every penny for mixing > acoustic instruments for sure > > A couple of plugins that I've been demoing this week that I really like > are Relab's emulation of the lexicon 480, which is the best reverb plugin I > have heard, and Soundtoys echoboy delay, which i am going to have to get, > it is just fabulous. The warmest most versatile tape delay i have ever > heard, including hardware units and i have played echoplexes, roland space > echos, sony D7, and others and is just brilliant, unbelievable depth. > Probably too much depth for some mix applications as it is so rich. > > PSP's 608 multi delay which just came out is also very nice and is on > special this month FYI [I am not a dealer etc in any way] > > Dave Kline > violindave@aol.com > > > --f46d0442880e85480604bd0ff604 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm glad I'm not the only one who dislikes the tone of = the space. I got ripped at TGP for calling it metallic/tinny in the high en= d. The low-end is also very muffled.

Nothing else does midi-synced reverse reverb though.=A0

On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Dave Kline <violindave@aol.com> wrote:
Have both. The Stry= mon is an incredibly versatile and awesome sounding delay stomp. Has charac= ter, depth, all sorts of sounds, lots of them useful and very tewakable, wi= th 100 saveable presets . Space is also very versatile, though for me not a= s many usable sounds for live.
=A0
On electric guitar both sound awesome. On electric violin [piezo picku= p] Space sounds a bit metallic and a bit on the treble side, so I take off = mostly the trebles on all presets. BUT I am very sensitive to anything that= sounds at all digital, for example=A0I do not like =A0the line 6 delay on = fiddle - sounds completely metallic to me, but this is not an issue for a l= ot of folks so could be just my ears
=A0
Both of them can be controlled in real time with foot pedals to shift = all sorts of parameters, allows you to sort of morph within a preset
=A0
They complement one another and going through the strymon mellows Spac= e on the fiddle
=A0
I am considering changing to another reverb that is warmer, possibly S= trymon's Blue sky, as piezos and fiddles just tend toward the brittler = side and the warmer the better
=A0
Someone mentioned Bricasti and this box is absolutely incredible, comp= letely in a league of its own in reverbs, worth every penny for mixing acou= stic instruments for sure
=A0
A couple of plugins that I've been demoing this week that I really= like are Relab's emulation of the lexicon 480, which is the best rever= b plugin I have heard, and Soundtoys echoboy delay, which i am going to hav= e to get, it is just fabulous. The warmest most versatile tape delay i have= ever heard, including hardware units and i have played echoplexes, roland = space echos, sony D7, and others and is just brilliant, unbelievable depth.= Probably too much depth for=A0some mix applications as it is so rich.
=A0
PSP's 608 multi delay which just came out is also very nice and is= on special this month FYI [I am not a dealer etc in any way]




--f46d0442880e85480604bd0ff604-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 7 05:25:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67AAE183479; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 05:25:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=6IpOh8sG2pAHucPLbHVlcuT6djxg+PUt9IfpQJ89wxs=; b=Ivfi5Hq1lNphI9o/aWmyBnG4NbCUP1tgHplVCK9L31Mur+iOZmYE6h84/CGxAKR6ES QzY9yxFGt93buarSkCk2K5A3jg0/e+A6pvyurRGbn9qqPHMNCWs4kWLy6vdRt8FkBu0P IECUx88k45h7AwqzjuUd26VuSf1FgbUihJw/wtwXL2BM6yQU4ys0WHGxX/ErAmmC4xC6 w6WZybdBI93VZEvngmV7h4t2rhIe7ihc7We5CIJQOyS1cqtx+wt/aYCLmN7DrJo1y76R cPqei1a8m1JPWIIoBXPqN+hMpgJ9WONZ7ke16Y+IQpREbinXaV1BBFTMCq37saIaC4HN CUqA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <16DED24D-B728-4269-AB4A-BB718F634243@frontier.com> References: <017a01cd1396$2c4da2c0$84e8e840$@comcast.net> <4F52352A-1F4A-475E-AAD5-A19F88DCE63D@frontier.com> <00ae01cd1406$ff367250$fda356f0$@comcast.net> <8391B010-6604-4934-8226-FD06D63BD0DA@gmail.com> <16DED24D-B728-4269-AB4A-BB718F634243@frontier.com> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 00:25:06 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Eventide Space vs. Strymon Timeline...Opinions? From: Marcus Kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04428358f2555f04bd0ffe2a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 05:25:07 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04428358f2555f04bd0ffe2a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Timeline has been out for about six months now, as has the space. Timeline is difficult to get a hold of sometimes, as they seem to release batches every two months or so. I love my timeline. It's such a great sounding unit, and has tons of midi control options. Space is mehhhhhhh, especially for the price. I'm waiting for strymon to come out with their uber-reverb pedal. If you want something simple, I'd stick with a stereo wet pedal + timeline (or capistan/brigadier). On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > On Apr 6, 2012, at 1:38 PM, Todd Matthews wrote: > > I just did a quick search on the Timeline. It doesn't seem like it's out >> yet. Anybody know the release date? >> > > No. It's been out for quite some time--maybe a year or more. It's just > constantly backordered. Place your order now, and they ship a.s.a.p. The > wait isn't nearly as long as it used to be, though. > > Jeff > > --f46d04428358f2555f04bd0ffe2a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Timeline has been out for about six months now, as has the space. Timeline = is difficult to get a hold of sometimes, as they seem to release batches ev= ery two months or so.

I love my timeline. It's such = a great sounding unit, and has tons of midi control options.

Space is mehhhhhhh, especially for the price. I'm w= aiting for strymon to come out with their uber-reverb pedal.

=
If you want something simple, I'd stick with a stereo wet pe= dal + timeline (or capistan/brigadier).=A0

On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Jeff Shirkey= <jcshirke@fr= ontier.com> wrote:

On Apr 6, 2012, at 1:38 PM, Todd Matthews wrote:

I just did a quick search on the Timeline. It doesn't seem like it'= s out yet. Anybody know the release date?

No. It's been out for quite some time--maybe a year or more. It's j= ust constantly backordered. Place your order now, and they ship a.s.a.p. Th= e wait isn't nearly as long as it used to be, though.

Jeff


--f46d04428358f2555f04bd0ffe2a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 7 05:29:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 377AC183474; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 05:29:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvwEAEzPf08yaAKA/2dsb2JhbABDuTSDEAEBAQMBOAJECwtGV4giBbZcjTaCQWMEiFqTBI1J X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,384,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="228548161" X-Originating-IP: [50.104.2.128] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.2.128 Message-Id: <3DBD1262-EEC8-408C-B917-06E9492A8D6D@frontier.com> From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Eventide space vs Strymon timeline Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 00:27:43 -0500 References: <20120406150737.07B8C183475@arsenic.violacea.com> <8CEE23C7D6AD190-2044-13DDB@Webmail-m116.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 05:29:00 +0000 (UTC) On Apr 7, 2012, at 12:22 AM, Marcus Kirby wrote: > I'm glad I'm not the only one who dislikes the tone of the space. He was quite careful to note that it sounded "awesome" with guitar, but "a bit metallic" with electric violin (!) and with a piezo pickup, no less. Surprised? I'm not. > I got ripped at TGP for calling it metallic/tinny in the high end. > The low-end is also very muffled. Not mine. Shrug. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 7 05:31:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B9FF18348C; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 05:31:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=tJkbS5JvKsM4Tr5pTneAqHyr6FHmSgWMWBYROixvvG0=; b=oFHUF/kl2ZiwvUDov19P05YKdExVSHaJsyDgike8ziK9Q6mxZ6y/0Gv9rLxLruVuji dxC6pCQ4aIUPUmqTDuQBiI0hqHjKGAVFT4X37pM2in8clZ+2UPUgXBoYlJJcJ/rBkVL5 paK84fyoyXa/GFIbiwnvLa1OMsVAF97DiEzu78iCv7XMM34YqkA6/+v84VWvMxcIkM0m LzZj2ecmOXmzKBl2Hj7ougdxKQlDJINS14lhT4kucSH87wHWW7O4EKXc+S1ukg8JxRY5 HavE+6QBgKXUA9ASBjTgZzsrkBV2kA4Std6658bTh5KD6E9be7U9e0HVsoCe0BBHVmze np0g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3DBD1262-EEC8-408C-B917-06E9492A8D6D@frontier.com> References: <20120406150737.07B8C183475@arsenic.violacea.com> <8CEE23C7D6AD190-2044-13DDB@Webmail-m116.sysops.aol.com> <3DBD1262-EEC8-408C-B917-06E9492A8D6D@frontier.com> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 00:31:01 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Eventide space vs Strymon timeline From: Marcus Kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d6257422bac304bd10143e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 05:31:02 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d6257422bac304bd10143e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yeah, I definitely misread and automatically assumed he spoke negatively of it both with guitar and violin. I'm not a fan of the sound on anything though. I really don't like the factor series in general. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:27 AM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > On Apr 7, 2012, at 12:22 AM, Marcus Kirby wrote: > > I'm glad I'm not the only one who dislikes the tone of the space. >> > > He was quite careful to note that it sounded "awesome" with guitar, but "a > bit metallic" with electric violin (!) and with a piezo pickup, no less. > Surprised? I'm not. > > > > I got ripped at TGP for calling it metallic/tinny in the high end. The >> low-end is also very muffled. >> > > Not mine. Shrug. > > Jeff > > --0016e6d6257422bac304bd10143e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, I definitely misread and automatically assumed he spoke negatively of= it both with guitar and violin.

I'm not a fan of th= e sound on anything though. I really don't like the factor series in ge= neral.

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:27 AM, Jeff Shirke= y <jcshirke@f= rontier.com> wrote:

On Apr 7, 2012, at 12:22 AM, Marcus Kirby wrote:

I'm glad I'm not the only one who dislikes the tone of the space.

He was quite careful to note that it sounded "awesome" with guita= r, but "a bit metallic" with electric violin (!) and with a piezo= pickup, no less. Surprised? I'm not.



I got ripped at TGP for calling it metallic/tinny in the high end. The low-= end is also very muffled.

Not mine. Shrug.

Jeff


--0016e6d6257422bac304bd10143e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 7 09:11:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AF18183477; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 09:11:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7A2E5CE4-8966-45D3-A211-B6D01A33275F@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: post your boomerang comments here Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 02:11:49 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 09:11:57 +0000 (UTC) hey lazy boys, how about a new header for the different topic ;-) You know, something like " was LP-2 now is Boomerang" . I have a couple of nice aboriginal boomerangs that I enjoy, is this the same topic? Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 7 09:19:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52AFF183478; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 09:19:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=UGOM8xgLVEQzq/kjL92RTtgl6SrjluFJ/Ysg5mfIiRc=; b=hKh5m7rBbNmwl4R79hZ7fxX9THAcEo+g2W/QYmX9EryovOosogfXoc2EPXKfTXg4wd 6NqVK3FzoC4Wps/QXXq9i3QliJyqHgJjyBI5l6wqIEjjtzs8UPVxp38xXVmxcmLT/xb0 Zji7gPVn0Wik3qYy8lgRx5p4iwxoaP8VpGIhKafkYbVjzTXBhdcL4wLyv54j6CM4TL0q j97H4Q8bNl//HwYg+zQzrBa14d+7zGREljRrRrZH2s87Y4OCWlDnTD63hwnZclL6DAuk OhG7NRqhzZmVzUgDLiVMK6Iu1l9pKiOvSE9eTo5yLAKRODuyBi38AygVh26p5WctPcaE 1IZw== Subject: Re: post your boomerang comments here References: <7A2E5CE4-8966-45D3-A211-B6D01A33275F@baymoon.com> From: Philip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <7A2E5CE4-8966-45D3-A211-B6D01A33275F@baymoon.com> Message-Id: <7A98A160-BD86-4F8A-9A35-99B8334BE511@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 18:19:01 +0900 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 09:19:15 +0000 (UTC) I'm getting a B3 shortly. Promised MIDI sync is the clincher. Sent from my phone On Apr 7, 2012, at 6:11 PM, William Walker wrote: > hey lazy boys, how about a new header for the different topic ;-) You kno= w, something like " was LP-2 now is Boomerang" . I have a couple of nice ab= original boomerangs that I enjoy, is this the same topic? > Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 7 09:58:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7309B183474; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 09:58:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 752502337/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.22.26/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.22.26 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAGUOgE9YbRYa/2dsb2JhbAANOLw4AQEBAwE4RgsLGAklDwJGGQMBiAW6B402gyQEm0uNPw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,386,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="752502337" Message-ID: <4F800FCF.50004@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 10:58:39 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: post your boomerang comments here References: <7A2E5CE4-8966-45D3-A211-B6D01A33275F@baymoon.com> <7A98A160-BD86-4F8A-9A35-99B8334BE511@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7A98A160-BD86-4F8A-9A35-99B8334BE511@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <26pnJD.A.fBC.G_AgPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 09:58:30 +0000 (UTC) Philip wrote: > I'm getting a B3 shortly. Promised MIDI sync is the clincher. returns every time > On Apr 7, 2012, at 6:11 PM, William Walker wrote: > >> hey lazy boys, how about a new header for the different topic ;-) You know, something like " was LP-2 now is Boomerang" . I have a couple of nice aboriginal boomerangs that I enjoy, is this the same topic? >> Bill > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 7 11:31:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3221183486; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 11:31:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4Y6AiWXKBBQx781VH+xLmH0fb1xAl2qz2fa6sUkB2cQ=; b=FwOBoJ5wF2SqsMd5RboetFOXMPMTCNrVEN90Hk3jxUZPtKxpIODeUKpEDW+oUntckt fYx+gwR3zVZDcJ+8hGM7ocbZGya4iyDB00p+PPK47uQ1TxcoqHxObWnbNhh1M+OTWqzj UZeeL+XMyKY6dGxxJZeaJsiCb3YrdlLhnaSjbsfh6E2DDm/8I3+5V0cGkrO4Gwil4WSh pLXRQDPZopgju/wV19jIeP+Y1dZwpdIjHISuuPE+m9HmA/Spq1G0Rd3xT8axzKNlZ1ub os2549Pm8NqF44PY1xuFzn36Wm/IFOZhCbIsXRQJZXygFED7NF2YgiZNgGMxLySawa3T svng== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F800FCF.50004@tiscali.co.uk> References: <7A2E5CE4-8966-45D3-A211-B6D01A33275F@baymoon.com> <7A98A160-BD86-4F8A-9A35-99B8334BE511@gmail.com> <4F800FCF.50004@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 13:31:23 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: post your boomerang comments here From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 11:31:23 +0000 (UTC) > Philip wrote: >> >> I'm getting a B3 shortly. Promised MIDI sync is the clincher. > On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 11:58 AM, andy butler wrote: > returns every time Careful, heavy impact incoming! Beware the cabinet might return as well. http://theatreorgans.com/grounds/grafx/xb3.gif Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 7 11:41:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A25918348A; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 11:41:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=KEWwIxTXH4Qxof2dI1ab70M8rKpmaQaVUihEQH9F3aY=; b=rK0QhFxNi+pFYil7LcJ4/+GF0RKUgmX9rIZT3zlboZc/npONiK49qrJAjaOtcN958j 1d6NqqnYYw4eqe3zrAL1PT1A7RfpYwqT6bnZNmUNMfysU5QXgN9YCxOTsDSTlb8UDbxl 1rBB1NziFYHEN6Ef2l+4cwsmlgKPByavCOLrvF2GqYnQUyvMWWdYf26+n5N4z8LHAffZ ni5JyOofcBz/mxS4GQIhmGf3joH2nrSPzSybMohrRL9qcR5oxA7IFycfrLTuqa2hfw3h ice4bSJk8XH5M7UH2yILk1YRnjGF0NOzzbsU3WMUhLJ2GXWWLXtoxGe8p1pvlzLQO7VV mvcA== Subject: Re: post your boomerang comments here References: <7A2E5CE4-8966-45D3-A211-B6D01A33275F@baymoon.com> <7A98A160-BD86-4F8A-9A35-99B8334BE511@gmail.com> <4F800FCF.50004@tiscali.co.uk> From: Philip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <8B26E8B6-21CE-4F99-8CCD-1628274E7230@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 20:41:28 +0900 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: <3hSo-.A.b0C.zfCgPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 11:41:39 +0000 (UTC) :-) Forgive my mathematical ignorance, but what is a B3 through a BIII? A B6? A B= 9? That would be a scary cabinet to have hurtling back at you!=20 Sent from my phone On Apr 7, 2012, at 8:31 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> Philip wrote: >>>=20 >>> I'm getting a B3 shortly. Promised MIDI sync is the clincher. >>=20 >=20 > On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 11:58 AM, andy butler wrot= e: >> returns every time >=20 > Careful, heavy impact incoming! Beware the cabinet might return as well. > http://theatreorgans.com/grounds/grafx/xb3.gif >=20 > Per >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 7 15:16:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1935A183489; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 15:16:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=rvNqJbVGdbt4egs52VbhtoJZG7AoPDG9H2iogr/sNfs= c=1 sm=1 a=bccfd3lHf3YA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=aZ33D0nbn70kfp2Lp0MA:9 a=32jcF_Y2k0aUJsO790UA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Reconnect with your music. From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 08:16:38 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 15:16:39 +0000 (UTC) Strategies for recharging one's musical creative batteries: 1). Change you listening habits, perhaps by listening to something = really different and unfamiliar and try to learn to feel, analyze, = understand, and even enjoy it from the inside out. Get inspired. 2). Attend a live performance of someone really, really good, but = outside your own musical domain and (similarly to #1) try to learn to = feel, analyze, and understand it from the inside out. Get inspired. 3). Play with new people - this should be obvious - either ones that are = much, much better than you, or ones that are not yet at your level, = either way can have benefits (learning or teaching). 4). Get outside, mow the lawn, paint the fence, plant a tree, rake the = leaves, even just taking a walk can change one's outlook and = perspective.=20 5). Stimulate the mind with other ideas and/or other input, go to a = museum, read a book recommended by someone, turn off the TV and internet = and visit an antique store, read a magazine or newspaper from 50+ years = ago, or to radio in a different language than the one you speak. 6). Visit a different neighborhood, perhaps even a place of worship = other than one you might ever frequent - not as a believer, seeker or = joiner, nor especially as a critic, but as a respectful observer of = humanity in all it's forms. Pay special attention to music and other = ambient sounds in these places. I am sure there are others, but one or another of these always seem to = work for me. Ted On Apr 6, 2012, at 10:02 PM, Gmail wrote: > How many of us have those dry seasons where feeling just isn't there? = Where music feels like a day to day, routine, non-profit job rather than = an experience? What's your method of bringing rain to those emotionless = droughts? >=20 > Kaylon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 7 15:18:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E929018348D; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 15:18:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RULES.....was,post your boomerang comments here X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CEE2E8CA929460_1DE8_19B23_webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35919-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEE2E8CA7AC6AA-1DE8-5EC9@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [68.162.151.186] Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 11:18:16 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1333811896; bh=0xTcf5yMOK7wQLSySLoPrM3wOJmay7ttf6V1aeIGLuo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pwnyXSSOjuJPdBZqWHv4WqzBjlmLFI2X+JkcnFLnFZUdPgHkJnIZI1G7d3s2mSLKZ WdmN4ux2ZY2PHZtWPOkq1M7rwGTPlF4bKRQvFUicOI5o4xc2Yr81k3HRQJuEBxzQam YK4/5jWd1aNEiyR02mWcPHscri89qsRQsaTOH5Ls= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:376798720:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c84f805ab839fb Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 15:18:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CEE2E8CA929460_1DE8_19B23_webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" william sez: hey lazy boys, how about a new header for the different topic i agree with william 100% but i would not call you lazy boys, you are just = young, AND YOU WILL LEARN!!!!!.....i luv when one comments with one or two words then rereposts the entire thread.....mayhaps this is = no longer an issue.....no?=20 =20 =20 ----------MB_8CEE2E8CA929460_1DE8_19B23_webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
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hey lazy boys, how about a new header for the different topic
i agree with william 100% but i= would not call you lazy boys, you are just young, AND YOU WILL LEARN!!!!!.= ....i luv when one comments

with one or two words then= rereposts the entire thread.....mayhaps this is no longer an issue.....no?=  
----------MB_8CEE2E8CA929460_1DE8_19B23_webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 7 15:33:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC02318348A; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 15:33:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=II7/EA2G93rth/i7yo9vFTmU/ZzILa4t+Hfg2WRXSao=; b=X0mIF4kBNGFTVn7q3UH17zDbJ1MXX1Q94+ImMc8v+YinWWOruTH21B0EM7Z6zIAkaU BUOgaERQhrN8LBtXv7HOvCACtMIhnpuPVjIYLNroPTP6jxt8OGEsCVyTlXp2gJk2wtuv dK/b4XgnYDEmVYiTxCRlgWZxEhCq3Mv7Kw07aM+M107f3KinE3rf1X/rzF30/XPFxxwT AS2/KQL3Tiz8bPEfXDhjr/NQN1UQUjqRQ9OH2A2dJUjWpvAA4oVwnVuPrB9tWfGDcXiU Lre21MmuBGjUAEp2cyRiFLUJdLc7mPJoiyUXYkrx/c+bSdFrdLYAEmdD6wCSEYJedbsJ D1Lw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 17:33:33 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Reconnect with your music. From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <9nnPpC.A.bpE.O5FgPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 15:33:34 +0000 (UTC) Great tips from Ted! :-) I do practice some of them but my main method is to use a different instrument for playing. My live electronics, where looping plays a big role, are always the same but I have about half a dozen very different instruments to play as source audio and it never fails to kick you into the zone. One special reason for not experiencing instant inspiration and excitement can be that you are not quite well. Maybe got the flue or migraine or whatever. In this case I stay away from music and do something boring but necessary (got lots of such task on a list since I'm running my own freelance company as occupation) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Ted Killian wrote: > Strategies for recharging one's musical creative batteries: > > 1). Change you listening habits, perhaps by listening to something really= different and unfamiliar and try to learn to feel, analyze, understand, an= d even enjoy it from the inside out. Get inspired. > > 2). Attend a live performance of someone really, really good, but outside= your own musical domain and (similarly to #1) try to learn to feel, analyz= e, and understand it from the inside out. Get inspired. > > 3). Play with new people - this should be obvious - either ones that are = much, much better than you, or ones that are not yet at your level, either = way can have benefits (learning or teaching). > > 4). Get outside, mow the lawn, paint the fence, plant a tree, rake the le= aves, even just taking a walk can change one's outlook and perspective. > > 5). Stimulate the mind with other ideas and/or other input, go to a museu= m, read a book recommended by someone, turn off the TV and internet and vis= it an antique store, read a magazine or newspaper from 50+ years ago, or to= radio in a different language than the one you speak. > > 6). Visit a different neighborhood, perhaps even a place of worship other= than one you might ever frequent - not as a believer, seeker or joiner, no= r especially as a critic, but as a respectful observer of humanity in all i= t's forms. Pay special attention to music and other ambient sounds in these= places. > > I am sure there are others, but one or another of these always seem to wo= rk for me. > > Ted > > On Apr 6, 2012, at 10:02 PM, Gmail wrote: > >> How many of us have those dry seasons where feeling just isn't there? Wh= ere music feels like a day to day, routine, non-profit job rather than an e= xperience? What's your method of bringing rain to those emotionless drought= s? >> >> Kaylon > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 7 15:33:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F02C118349A; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 15:33:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reconnect with your music. In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CEE2EAEAB29F69_1DE8_19F12_webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35919-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEE2EADE9E8A5C-1DE8-5FB0@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [68.162.151.186] Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 11:33:29 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1333812809; bh=SpLkq+ea29NBwtIyfn0JZu7jEMB1wziN2PUyNZvVbs0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sc0wwHCQhh87kun+eBjyDVQsqvZQzce7rdxMATf1BlIV39kjJXm6ydGjcFMJOBZE7 /4nOclraVQ+89BwalmyvYhouWVmFkv2zObKmRfvixEp+90zWQfIrF80azW3bEHDuem ne+AcK8WU64u5EQ/B0D3OH7UvYkoeMzCXtVHEk74= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:349734656:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29484f805e4948ef Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 15:33:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CEE2EAEAB29F69_1DE8_19F12_webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Strategies for recharging one's musical creative batteries: all i have to do is come on here or FB and after a listen or viewing, i mus= t play!!!!! when i really HATE my music, this happens less and less since i got OLD, that's the time to dig into it, play louder and faster.....and rest assured= , things will change on their own, you have very little to do with it, so stop reading th= is and go PLAY! =20 ----------MB_8CEE2EAEAB29F69_1DE8_19F12_webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Strategies for recharging one's musical creative batteries:

all i have to do is come on her= e or FB and after a listen or viewing, i must play!!!!!

when i really HATE my musi= c, this happens less and less since i got OLD,

that's the time to dig int= o it, play louder and faster.....and rest assured, things will

change on their own, you h= ave very little to do with it, so stop reading this and go PLAY!
----------MB_8CEE2EAEAB29F69_1DE8_19F12_webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 7 16:19:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BD8718348B; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 16:19:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=rvNqJbVGdbt4egs52VbhtoJZG7AoPDG9H2iogr/sNfs= c=1 sm=1 a=bccfd3lHf3YA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=Tzv_u4qbyRSbGItosIoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Reconnect with your music. From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: <8CEE2EADE9E8A5C-1DE8-5FB0@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 09:19:16 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <8CEE2EADE9E8A5C-1DE8-5FB0@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <4pmVxB.A.6HF.GkGgPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 16:19:18 +0000 (UTC) LIKE! On Apr 7, 2012, at 8:33 AM, michael klobuchar wrote: > Strategies for recharging one's musical creative batteries: >=20 > all i have to do is come on here or FB and after a listen or viewing, = i must play!!!!! >=20 > when i really HATE my music, this happens less and less since i got = OLD, >=20 > that's the time to dig into it, play louder and faster.....and rest = assured, things will >=20 > change on their own, you have very little to do with it, so stop = reading this and go PLAY! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 7 16:27:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56BA418348E; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 16:27:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=rvNqJbVGdbt4egs52VbhtoJZG7AoPDG9H2iogr/sNfs= c=1 sm=1 a=bccfd3lHf3YA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=dMZfGW12AAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=TNt2ZXaZGJqxoo7tULgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Reconnect with your music. From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 09:26:58 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 16:27:00 +0000 (UTC) Yes Per!!! I forgot that one...change gear, try a new instrument. Along with that, I'd say, pick up an instrument you have never, ever = played before (and one that is not even similar to your normal axe) and = step on stage and play it in front of an audience. I mean like, if you normally pluck strings, take up something you have = to blow, or hit or shake (or vise versa). I tell you, until you have done that, you don't really know if you are a = musician deep down or not. It can be a very revealing experience. Cheers, Ted On Apr 7, 2012, at 8:33 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Great tips from Ted! :-) I do practice some of them but my main > method is to use a different instrument for playing. My live > electronics, where looping plays a big role, are always the same but I > have about half a dozen very different instruments to play as source > audio and it never fails to kick you into the zone. >=20 > One special reason for not experiencing instant inspiration and > excitement can be that you are not quite well. Maybe got the flue or > migraine or whatever. In this case I stay away from music and do > something boring but necessary (got lots of such task on a list since > I'm running my own freelance company as occupation) >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 7 21:37:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 196FC18345C; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 21:37:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F80B377.7090503@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 14:36:55 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: BOOMERANG SIDECAR was Looperlative LP2 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 21:37:02 +0000 (UTC) For the sake of future archive searchers and daily digest readers, would you guys be into using this thread name instead of Looperlative LP2 for your Sidecar discussions (as important as they are)? I opened up four emails today that had nothing to do with the LP-2 discussion that interests me and time is not unlimited, even when looped respectfully, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 7 21:42:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E76718345A; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 21:42:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=anBarA0flvNaQQJWp587AzM7bDa/tCG+hFCUJgchZ5E=; b=gJeHK2Mpgq4bvsRMwAf/sf9JKZU8jK5coQrlv+PQPc3vdBBNJc/WDV9Cc20dRnzM4r CKq45XweM8BgtDM1vMZiC/HBUY0PhKORzAWjcTnz5PslNUERx0T72wQxKrM/qhD7qcyT LLfx72g5d4fKO0y7UqY669CO7uFYR5zfznmM0ziIVbXmKEEuNsGTE/7PUPvLmhsMiNnP JIIRQF/MYrICaeImeO0BYEQeO6t4jzVKb7v/LpxJLCk/yoj9tHyhG0+wYnFGLMQ0hP7p aM0fm7PquXEeUozaWkExIjOkZctseRMTo2FBDC1It1xHSzsujZL60daJXb3cVEhWUbdK rzuw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F80B377.7090503@cruzio.com> References: <4F80B377.7090503@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 17:42:13 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: BOOMERANG SIDECAR was Looperlative LP2 From: Bennett Williams To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae934069160d87404bd1da5e9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 21:42:14 +0000 (UTC) --14dae934069160d87404bd1da5e9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sorry for the thread-jacking. I say yes, change the title. On Apr 7, 2012 5:37 PM, "Rick Walker" wrote: > For the sake of future archive searchers > and daily digest readers, > > would you guys be into using this thread name > instead of Looperlative LP2 for your Sidecar discussions > (as important as they are)? > > I opened up four emails today that had nothing to do with the > LP-2 discussion that interests me and time is not unlimited, > even when looped > > respectfully, > > Rick Walker > > --14dae934069160d87404bd1da5e9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sorry for the thread-jacking. I say yes, change the title.

On Apr 7, 2012 5:37 PM, "Rick Walker" = <looppool@cruzio.com> wrot= e:
For the sake of future archive searchers
and daily digest readers,

would you guys be into using this thread name
instead of Looperlative LP2 =A0for your Sidecar discussions
(as important as they are)?

I opened up four emails today that had nothing to do with the
LP-2 discussion that interests me and time is not unlimited,
even when looped <smile>

respectfully,

Rick Walker

--14dae934069160d87404bd1da5e9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 7 22:01:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3CAA183454; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 22:01:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=GhS37S8WHzTMI6WdPNR7FkXNJUjBaYf/xouXF8UFY3Q=; b=DO4kkZzfUqdI9/C72bcHjO3BuLXvBfkMfMbhiQ0oeAdHD/pDaV49a0N5y9C5vxYvYR YD4jtVJSQzm3Djsw4UzzfStlett7jvDP+4AF7cPYqjtx4/eoBVrgRVTpS33AZrn3okDS vbYT2SIFE4c7O7jF2F6UTWgshHB+bjfq+8yMOTsoE+j2K4shHMa9H+Fi6DBm4MwCPoh0 qW4e9q8C9iEO1MWkAxQ/Hb/PUEC7EdHS/X9CrpkNCT/eWThszjUbo2iSAfVq7OZdBFKf 99C4KuYxffrDR3idyKoCqkXlW/QqH8xxLLNf9HDywTXU0VsbzJu01dqih7oXWeG3eZfA eNtw== From: Risto Paalanen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Gigspam, Minneapolis (and musing asides) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 17:01:33 -0500 Message-Id: <2A851FF0-11AA-4FBE-9B2F-AF72C8548477@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 22:01:35 +0000 (UTC) Hey there! So, I took the plunge and now find myself in Minneapolis. I'll be = playing a set at Radio K's WAVEFORMS shindig on Monday at Honey (205 E = Hennepin), so that's a rare opportunity to hear what I can conjure up = with a guitar, a dictaphone and a laptop. (I find I'm also thinking real hard about that looping festival in = October...) (I also find myself thinking about setting up a looper night in Helsinki = once I get back from this trip. I can get us a good venue with nearly no = problem whatsoever.) Your pal, R. / Taphead http://taphead.bandcamp.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 7 22:07:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14F2F18345B; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 22:07:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ik6PiG6zRqRSqhy2fmc3fAwsaLzjqTX4XsLYA65TRWI=; b=MejH2wH4ShLKcYVKIzfnyWmsDMGUmTBRP+iNOqVya5DY4BjmaUZ6TURNt23T08gXoX 5b/8aMJuHFV5Uoi3AHy5l0ac7m1zWcVkmqpYsSD840NOJfH/a+JIyxftXRvScLiZb5Tg mZ8l7TcVS5ewrzBIwHxpR3JMC6r3mHWOwXBayQ2Oq6x7kzbIInk5FTwF5dPhXZEzL6Ae hD7NTjZRJsBeLrFi9Vs58DH9esQXptvL+W7w4SXbwh/o7Sb3UbeuIFsbZiYgJUty2+Zd UMqR/Q6dhHC1A96PtLKDTpRlDni9LP4q2RHNtoiSy417zFNbOMwqMx07isw5LECmCZIE mQXA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2A851FF0-11AA-4FBE-9B2F-AF72C8548477@gmail.com> References: <2A851FF0-11AA-4FBE-9B2F-AF72C8548477@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 16:07:07 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Gigspam, Minneapolis (and musing asides) From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 22:07:07 +0000 (UTC) Hey, Risto! When will you be back in Helsinki? Before the end of July? There's a madness to this method =97 ;-) Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Risto Paalanen w= rote: > Hey there! > > So, I took the plunge and now find myself in Minneapolis. I'll be playing= a set at Radio K's WAVEFORMS shindig on Monday at Honey (205 E Hennepin), = so that's a rare opportunity to hear what I can conjure up with a guitar, a= dictaphone and a laptop. > > (I find I'm also thinking real hard about that looping festival in Octobe= r...) > > (I also find myself thinking about setting up a looper night in Helsinki = once I get back from this trip. I can get us a good venue with nearly no pr= oblem whatsoever.) > > Your pal, > R. / Taphead > http://taphead.bandcamp.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 7 22:22:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D9C218345D; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 22:22:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=8CbZHJL/thCm4ipI+shuL8ljl7J1sXtCR5Wrj6SY8pU=; b=gPBt/ovHvA77vmThXT8kJaK352r/74j180fFtNHnbfn8xrVvSLLlfARTR/ziLTaYl2 SXGaQ1J7nmRnM8NK/Tfs3+T/9pVW7i0CYYOLQ576o6Dvw8CQeH+8uLXMJXUoS+eG+PjA 1oskrb+BOJsKoyhRbcz2AabmPdceWpT1LV4FMdPCl2rG2FBgCUGw7MQA42N/JLTD//Pn iEBnjfCA/IF7LY/h47HZ4HLFidWcdTDdv5UUgmUbnvhTl7qOQgTOr9YEVk9Fd0f7mKBJ wH4QPMQFb2XJHXBiKsVrVinSV6c1qbjDR1gkwARuEP20oHYVpX6NR1iYIeyQQ2u9yerz KdQg== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Gigspam, Minneapolis (and musing asides) From: Risto Paalanen In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 17:22:51 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <2A851FF0-11AA-4FBE-9B2F-AF72C8548477@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 22:22:54 +0000 (UTC) I think I shall return to the old continent sometime next week, although = coming back to a snowy Helsinki really doesn't sound all that appealing. = :P R. On Apr 7, 2012, at 5:07 PM, Dennis Moser wrote: > Hey, Risto! When will you be back in Helsinki? Before the end of July? > There's a madness to this method =97 ;-) >=20 > Best, >=20 > Dennis >=20 > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Risto Paalanen = wrote: >> Hey there! >>=20 >> So, I took the plunge and now find myself in Minneapolis. I'll be = playing a set at Radio K's WAVEFORMS shindig on Monday at Honey (205 E = Hennepin), so that's a rare opportunity to hear what I can conjure up = with a guitar, a dictaphone and a laptop. >>=20 >> (I find I'm also thinking real hard about that looping festival in = October...) >>=20 >> (I also find myself thinking about setting up a looper night in = Helsinki once I get back from this trip. I can get us a good venue with = nearly no problem whatsoever.) >>=20 >> Your pal, >> R. / Taphead >> http://taphead.bandcamp.com >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 7 22:28:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79CAB183463; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 22:28:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=/rlXg6kuowW4qaxKRJAUgoKemPPvlAnvFNdC/zyYs7g=; b=cQIeHZyxA9O+F68wfzPX5wepWnuO/xHEvC86r4WmEACCG/BAZnT9GmTaR6rLlEHWzC g0P80+N7j2w7EvgUPjfeVBQJ+6Bai7wHAee7ZszfeLFxwn8UIK1GAllw3sPL9rCCn6+9 RILM+5WOneTOWna7uALugYHLijjtE2S5kgRqCwX42Ypq/jjmBgLRDsE5sPXMd0BqG+uu TS8+XRqfYAXNx7ODaZvhiSVoT6tsF+/lIb7HChgAH0sKpiLwA8x5RfhG2jqpZFUIPI1/ UgNCJ81Ep0PYQSkm1ZecCAN8D+pjlyZ+2+BIr3OpKKZw+QYVfP8XMxh4aUYrMIcGb5RV HLAw== Subject: Re: Looperlative LP2 References: <4F7E871C.1090604@cruzio.com> From: Philip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <4F7E871C.1090604@cruzio.com> Message-Id: <0463D8BF-2833-47F1-A801-28B83EFBB3B6@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 07:28:10 +0900 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 22:28:19 +0000 (UTC) I was the one who brought the TGP thread to Rick's attention. I wasn't singl= ing out anyone. There is a 15 page (on my iPhone) thread over there that is ten page eager a= nticipation and five pages disappointment. I had wanted to get an LP2, but was holding off because I hadn't heard anyth= ing positive. So I was surprised when I learned that Rick had TWO LP2s on hi= s board. =46rom what I had been hearing on TGP, I had no idea that there we're even t= hat many working units. The reason I brought the thread to Rick's attention was because I thought th= at if the LP2 was actually working, it would be helpful if there was some in= put from satisfied users as well--because it looks like a great feature set f= or the price. P Sent from my phone On Apr 6, 2012, at 3:03 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Thanks, Zak, >=20 > that was a very honest and compassionate reply. >=20 > I apologize for missing your initial posts. >=20 > I was just contacted by someone who said that the LP2 was getting a beatin= g > on the GearPage and that it might behoove me to respond to it. >=20 > It's all been imperfect and I hope my post there conveys that I don't hold= it against anyone > who was frustrated or who gave up on the unit. >=20 > I also really wanted to say that I still believe it's a very cool thing an= d the warts seem to be behind us > now. >=20 > thanks for writing and sharing your thoughts. >=20 > with a lot of respect, Rick >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 4/5/12 11:48 AM, Zak Kramer wrote: >> As the person who's supposedly giving the LP2 a "beating" over on TGP, I'= d like to state a few things. >>=20 >> 1. I knew about Bob's personal problems, and posted about them there back= in July, in the context of asking folks to be patient. In fact, if you go o= ver the (admittedly lengthy) thread carefully, you will see that I took it u= pon myself to keep folks there informed, in the hopes that he would not lose= the use of (any more) deposits. While I completely understand his position= , I think it's also understandably difficult for some folks to justify allow= ing Bob the use of their money for a year or more without really knowing wha= t's going on. Still, I did so, for fourteen months and 2 units. I only wish i= t could have worked out better -- and I mean that sincerely. >>=20 >> 2. I attempted to convey my experiences as carefully as possible, by putt= ing a lot of thought into and then clearly outlining my signal path and meth= odology, and eschewing emotional judgements to the greatest extent possible.= Furthermore, I followed the suggestions of several folks, including Bob, to= solve my problems, eg. trying a variety of power sources and using all 3 in= put gain levels. None of these resulted in a usable product *for me* (which I= was also careful to state) and so I asked for, and received, a refund. >>=20 >> 3. The goodwill Bob has around here was one of the primary reasons that I= was so patient, and why I urged others to do the same. While I certainly be= came quite frustrated, and was ultimately disappointed, I do not, nor have I= ever, borne Bob any personal animus, and as such, I have never expressed sa= me. I cannot express enough that I have a great deal of respect for Bob and w= hat he is trying to do, in a difficult personal situation, in a difficult ma= rket, and in a challenging economy. >>=20 >> All of that, however, while true, is beside the point: I was sold a unit w= ith the promise of absolutely superb sound quality, and instead received a u= nit that in no way lived up to that promise -- even after I returned the fir= st unit in the hopes that the first release bugs were worked out. In compari= son, I pre-ordered a Boomerang III, and waited quite a while (I don't rememb= er exactly how long; at least 6mo.) My first unit didn't work, and I was on t= he phone with Mike within hours, and then his hardware guy (Lee?) later that= night. I was cross-shipped a fully tested and properly functioning unit, wh= ich I still have to this day. >>=20 >> I sincerely hope that Bob can deliver the looper he wants to create, and p= lenty of folks want to use, and that all of this can be chalked up to "growi= ng pains." >>=20 >> Zak Kramer >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 7 23:09:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0EC218345C; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 23:09:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 41580.51351.bm@omp1028.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1333840173; bh=QxkedZd84O6IPbiys9BpqM+sxkuOwDNwGBy5yQTE0Fk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1i4yewzNns7NAs+GvM+ujesBQTrTSO6zYLuQBDmY6cvQE5l3OMqv6XRlZ+l8Yf/zhmfoXRLcOMoOvT1gsPA+qZa33cD577iE/qLeg84RJt+Ak2RkvcO1WbnCz6IyOoWOhfEGruw7BtVeFgtMD5zUB5iOIm9yQc9gGPPgOgEnzoc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GTLIvfDgTmIG5LUfRj97zXo6INTrA7BliKLx3p2TW+j55kb2WjYA42FMMLaw7OmttelqNJ8ieOFTkD1vbhHxSfcDPBn442UF4W2AhNAeKcIpVF0qOY9CAcBlls4lkjwrFJWUOt3gODyp/SabeEBQwUNYRwBbkZfbsiazAI9w0R8=; X-YMail-OSG: mPxpY.8VM1kNMBax_Bw_pGC07hhC0rlOw0o85JwAmEXYGLm 4K7Nv2iVqACYkdYw6PmwBtZc1UX1nSFnHTqGQTOETwD2.JSIwo.mjaP0nY1R 2EBAVAUwNIXxud4sc6lQEmmaIfBexaJk4LhKq6P72grRLyCsbvRPHhadVJu8 HQ9h5NqOL4bcMwf8Mf3yMKdZiuQuAw4yO9ctyRxsNOEVGvgy0YiXJEGlm_BU Rqk1t4rVzT4FF7wuuIZCqZ.o_fUyEVeX4XdYN_lYwmGSolGeP.dWioqrhzVr kAjh4viFNHls438dOOsHSVCq5ywlKzhPqIbYfPUHgX24pOjgr968KTSbnqVb Yubouia4WDoueWkcJ2eFqPzSQkRCsUMJPNHWOgXS5w.ngvjSJu5Rr4AmWeol 6UFNKQPduYBTme86mpbquFSBWSG16qPnHXPah3Z5iRn1qL2NrEfnWJ7ZgnRL sKXsbWXVV8iVP5BZwL8XMYiS53dvusJpxt4wrcZYXa0GnOgjwLoHo4kX1dWr Ol6EDBAnkOeWF.JoZVQSbXzfFM6UMtGfIEHWF8F6A5ZI7SCQX9FiW6pz6eEx _m5cjgGxuLZU45STeIta3QxSfic19VH7K7N.D11r.buNjit2BxX.WsA_tXH3 dZMr9CZ59Uplqtw42P1Op8GURjec.b6_OHixR1eiIci4j.U1ItoOfJQY4rNZ 0YT_cyCgnrLDtqsoq.3HDzGJoY0XXArbDBju8Nj9bUXhXKhJXdNA305bqqoq oABEgtrpP_ZGoPKs8CWSMIdTDxLuSXryFNigtBDeU6ynr9ir5jhxtEcPVEIi Akqsbt8udIVH66NglW1LsHCFUle8dvV_Gjn9pg9Y.ZDPx5UM- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: Message-ID: <1333840173.59483.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 16:09:33 -0700 (PDT) From: tim echols Reply-To: tim echols Subject: Re: Reconnect with your music. To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1929490892-2124654825-1333840173=:59483" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 23:09:35 +0000 (UTC) --1929490892-2124654825-1333840173=:59483 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable if you do play a stringed instrument, mess with your tuning to get a comple= tely different instrument.=A0 during the first gulf war, i wrote a couple o= f pieces in BAGDAD tuning, until it became apparent why bass strings are no= t usually tuned in seconds of any sort.=A0 my asthma precluded any real exp= loration on my alto sax, but the lap steel is just different enough to be a= whole new exploration.=A0 if you play stringed instruments and want to add= more than one while looping, look into the m-brace guitar holder.=0A=A0=0A= http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Mbrace-Guitar-Holder-Walk-And-Play-Performance-= 5121-/380426959571?pt=3DGuitar_Accessories&hash=3Ditem589336bad3=0A=A0=0Ai = can currently have the lap steel in my lap, the acoustic strapped on, and m= y 6string fretless bass on the m-brace beside me.=A0 scrunchis=A0do a good = job of keeping the strings from sympathetically ringing on the bass and gui= tar, and can be slid quickly past the nut to enable play, then slid back on= to the strings when not in use.=A0i use an echoplex for timebased stuff, bu= t also have a boss RC-50 that i use for ambient washes and background vox b= y having one mic going straight to the boss, and the fretless and lapsteel = feeding in through A-B boxes (found out AFTER buying the bigshot that a lig= ht denoting A=A0or B=A0was critical).=A0 then the main vox and acoustic go = straight into the echoplex, bass and lap steel denoted as "A" on this loope= r.=A0 my main percussion is accomplished through the acoustic, so the chord= s and percussion go only into the one i call "time-based," the echoplex.=A0= i eliminated the keyboards once i added the lap steel--=A0=A0the only serious loss is the organ in "nothing compares to you," an excellent song = that rarely changes--=A0 perfect for looping.=A0 "lightning crashes" is the= same, though verse and chorus have different rhythmic feels.=0A=A0=0Awhich= is my next suggestion--=A0 learn some new or different chord changes by co= vering some songs, even if not live to an audience.=A0 some might have to l= ook into jazz songs with crazy changes to do this; others might just go to = ultimateguitar.com and go crazy.=A0 i did--=A0 i learned 4 different crazy'= s there--=A0 willie's, seal's, aerosmith's, and grnarls barkley's-- it's cr= azy suite!=A0 now i just need to get them looping.=A0 i am a songwriter in = the main, so=A0it inspired me=A0to listen to van morrison's into the mystic= every time before i started a session, for years.=A0 i just listened, neve= r played to it in this case.=A0 it became a very effective way to "reset" m= y head and get into creative mode quickly. of late, i have begun to instead= cold-read changes to a different song every time before i start writing.= =A0=A0it helps me to go through a piece of music written by someone else as= a non-judgemental "warm-up" =A0to get myself into creative mode, but how i= do that has changed over the years.=0A=A0=0A=A0=0Ai can't wait until my next = off-season, because i have a suitcase full=A0 of=A0cassette tapes =A0from y= ears ago that i recorded on a 4track.=A0 i got myself a 4track so i could f= ly them into pro tools and make mp3 copies to listen to.=A0 i expect to fin= d some long forgotten songs, but even more instrumental ideas that i never = explored fully.=A0 that should yield quite a reconnection with=A0 some past= music.=A0 hope something in here helps someone.=0A=A0=0A=A0=0Atime=0A=0AFr= om: Ted Killian =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-deli= ght.com =0ASent: Saturday, April 7, 2012 10:26 AM=0ASubject: Re: Reconnect = with your music.=0A=0AYes Per!!!=0A=0AI forgot that one...change gear, try = a new instrument.=0A=0AAlong with that, I'd say, pick up an instrument you = have never, ever played before (and one that is not even similar to your no= rmal axe) and step on stage and play it in front of an audience.=0A=0AI mea= n like, if you normally pluck strings, take up something you have to blow, = or hit or shake (or vise versa).=0A=0AI tell you, until you have done that,= you don't really know if you are a musician deep down or not.=0A=0AIt can = be a very revealing experience.=0A=0ACheers,=0A=0ATed=0A=0A=0AOn Apr 7, 201= 2, at 8:33 AM, Per Boysen wrote:=0A=0A> Great tips from Ted! :-)=A0 I do pr= actice some of them but my main=0A> method is to use a different instrument= for playing. My live=0A> electronics, where looping plays a big role, are = always the same but I=0A> have about half a dozen very different instrument= s to play as source=0A> audio and it never fails to kick you into the zone.= =0A> =0A> One special reason for not experiencing instant inspiration and= =0A> excitement can be that you are not quite well. Maybe got the flue or= =0A> migraine or whatever. In this case I stay away from music and do=0A> s= omething boring but necessary (got lots of such task on a list since=0A> I'= m running my own freelance company as occupation)=0A> =0A> Greetings from S= weden=0A> =0A> Per Boysen=0A> www.perboysen.com=0A> http://www.youtube.com/= perboysen --1929490892-2124654825-1333840173=:59483 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
if you do play a stringed instrument, mes= s with your tuning to get a completely different instrument.  during t= he first gulf war, i wrote a couple of pieces in BAGDAD tuning, until it be= came apparent why bass strings are not usually tuned in seconds of any sort= .  my asthma precluded any real exploration on my alto sax, but the la= p steel is just different enough to be a whole new exploration.  if yo= u play stringed instruments and want to add more than one while looping, lo= ok into the m-brace guitar holder.
 
 
i can currently have= the lap steel in my lap, the acoustic strapped on, and my 6string fretless= bass on the m-brace beside me.  scrunchis do a good job of keepi= ng the strings from sympathetically ringing on the bass and guitar, and can= be slid quickly past the nut to enable play, then slid back onto the strin= gs when not in use. i use an echoplex fo= r timebased stuff, but also have a boss RC-50 that i use for ambient washes= and background vox by having one mic going straight to the boss, and the f= retless and lapsteel feeding in through A-B boxes (found out AFTER buying t= he bigshot that a light denoting A or B was critical).  then= the main vox and acoustic go straight into the echoplex, bass and lap stee= l denoted as "A" on this looper.  my main percussion is accomplished t= hrough the acoustic, so the chords and percussion go only into the one i call "time-based," the echoplex.  i eliminated the keyboards once i a= dded the lap steel--  the only serious loss is the organ in "noth= ing compares to you," an excellent song that rarely changes--  perfect= for looping.  "lightning crashes" is the same, though verse and choru= s have different rhythmic feels.
 
which is my next sug= gestion--  learn some new or different chord changes by covering some = songs, even if not live to an audience.  some might have to look into = jazz songs with crazy changes to do this; others might just go to ultimateg= uitar.com and go crazy.  i did--  i learned 4 different crazy's t= here--  willie's, seal's, aerosmith's, and grnarls barkley's-- it's cr= azy suite!  now i just need to get them looping.  i am a songwrit= er in the main, so it inspired me to listen to van morrison's int= o the mystic every time before i started a session, for years.  i just= listened, never played to it in this case.  it became a very effectiv= e way to "reset" my head and get into creative mode quickly. of late, i hav= e begun to instead cold-read changes to a different song every time before = i start writing.  it helps me to go through a piece of music written by someone else as a non-judgemental "warm-up"  to get myself= into creative mode, but how i do that has changed over the years.
 
 
i can't wait until m= y next off-season, because i have a suitcase full  of cassette ta= pes  from years ago that i recorded on a 4track.  i got myself a = 4track so i could fly them into pro tools and make mp3 copies to listen to.=   i expect to find some long forgotten songs, but even more instrument= al ideas that i never explored fully.  that should yield quite a recon= nection with  some past music.  hope something in here helps some= one.
 
 
time

From:= Ted Killian <tedkillian@charter.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
= Sent: Saturday, April 7, 20= 12 10:26 AM
Subject: Re:= Reconnect with your music.

Yes Per!!!

I forgot = that one...change gear, try a new instrument.

Along with that, I'd s= ay, pick up an instrument you have never, ever played before (and one that = is not even similar to your normal axe) and step on stage and play it in fr= ont of an audience.

I mean like, if you normally pluck strings, take up somet= hing you have to blow, or hit or shake (or vise versa).

I tell you, = until you have done that, you don't really know if you are a musician deep = down or not.

It can be a very revealing experience.

Cheers,
Ted


On Apr 7, 2012, at 8:33 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

&= gt; Great tips from Ted! :-)  I do practice some of them but my main> method is to use a different instrument for playing. My live
>= electronics, where looping plays a big role, are always the same but I
= > have about half a dozen very different instruments to play as source> audio and it never fails to kick you into the zone.
>
>= One special reason for not experiencing instant inspiration and
> ex= citement can be that you are not quite well. Maybe got the flue or
> = migraine or whatever. In this case I stay away from music and do
> something boring but necessary (got lots of such task on a list= since
> I'm running my own freelance company as occupation)
> =
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
>= ; http://www.youtube.com/perboysen



= --1929490892-2124654825-1333840173=:59483-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 8 01:38:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5238F18345E; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 01:38:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=8X7jTVn4F/GQOciAAaAzmLgL+OptVr6DSSfMUSoY0lY=; b=Ch2m+trDWYIRTDsVkWRVSDQlLO3XOC75me3oxKuzkzgOB7qvzBA+O/UV3ZWIv4z26M PFz2I1wizJGMASiJxWeHoqtf54/yNhtF72s2bE3gkzSilU/47lphSts1BNG0w6jqdy7X nlth92+6Javv08CEZJpWD0bXWmzW1LgfovjjmPf2AKMmfSVc62TZVtPeJwBNm24zfju/ UdUs/A8y2EzkjwwEHyonODGk2Q7GHt400FCMSxaeK2KqidfavBSYTMMrkM94rOu0lGKW q7wyylMVX3CShIakS7lHJfKSIfmchO1RpfViRZQNF8nFXObhfJ7wGiXMbbTTu5ILI2ZE trew== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 18:38:20 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: In NYC this week! From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 01:38:21 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I'm going to be New York this week, playing at a couple shows at The Stone (http://www.thestonenyc.com). The first is tomorrow (Sunday) night: Sunday 4/8 10 pm ICTUS The sound to come Riccardo Massari (keyboards, electronics) Matt Davignon (drum machine) TWENTY DOLLARS and includes a free unreleased CD compilation, while supply lasts. The second is Wednesday night, 4/11 10 pm ICTUS Italian Invasion Two Boris Savoldelli (voice) Marco Cappelli (guitar) Carlo Actis Dato (bass clarinet) Matt Davignon (drum machine) TWENTY DOLLARS and includes a free unreleased CD compilation, while supply lasts. Please come by and say hello! Matt -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 8 02:22:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46952183461; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 02:22:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=r2KyHnIemCQMntFGkCgay/KqK0Rd8Ilj7TbVDAsz4lA=; b=wvHSa/u/0vgedAS52XVngLoXqCE0UrCyUFbqjUuM0WvmhGImWZ4P//72k81zGyT4sV EyNt8oqTlcd/FFk20MByY3WF9dD5Gte5z+veWdWxXuSLN7blUk8fJR2rRbqzDIWct9m+ AJwGYnnJzqo6SNjvyQuJKXg/J4/gxgtvLUo984wofQeyxQFMI6Qwf2dTWFpDMbrBiJZM RGImvutyjplLF7WRoJYCLcsw1ikzzpa+MCHXBlY1bTqwgUFpTFxkoLsGp5LAMagRF1Zp ZN0krS47I6qAUXm/7hruRQQUNU8VYfmyTmsHvZm/xA1PVmKo/Yf21a3L+lNaKfKTt7cT ZeuA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 22:22:35 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: In NYC this week! From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307ca32a13d86704bd2190fd Resent-Message-ID: <5Cl4AC.A.TEC.sZPgPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 02:22:36 +0000 (UTC) --20cf307ca32a13d86704bd2190fd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matt that is wonderful you are doing appearances at the Stone for your return to NY. Welcome in advance. Doubtful I can make tomorrow nite but I may try on Wed. You're in good company tomorrow nite, according to the schedule Henry Kaiser is performing in a duo at 8pm. Jim On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Matt Davignon wrote= : > Hi all, > > I'm going to be New York this week, playing at a couple shows at The > Stone (http://www.thestonenyc.com). > > The first is tomorrow (Sunday) night: > > Sunday 4/8 > 10 pm > ICTUS The sound to come > Riccardo Massari (keyboards, electronics) Matt Davignon (drum machine) > TWENTY DOLLARS and includes a free unreleased CD compilation, while > supply lasts. > > The second is Wednesday night, 4/11 > 10 pm > ICTUS Italian Invasion Two > Boris Savoldelli (voice) Marco Cappelli (guitar) Carlo Actis Dato > (bass clarinet) Matt Davignon (drum machine) > TWENTY DOLLARS and includes a free unreleased CD compilation, while > supply lasts. > > Please come by and say hello! > > Matt > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > > --=20 --=20 *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. *From Brooklyn To Glindran*, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. --20cf307ca32a13d86704bd2190fd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matt that is wonderful you are doing appearances at the Stone for your retu= rn to NY. =A0Welcome in advance. =A0Doubtful I can make tomorrow nite but I= may try on Wed. =A0You're in good company tomorrow nite, according to = the schedule Henry Kaiser is performing in a duo at 8pm.

Jim

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at= 9:38 PM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,

I'm going to be New York this week, playing at a couple shows at The Stone (http://www.= thestonenyc.com).

The first is tomorrow (Sunday) night:

Sunday 4/8
10 pm
ICTUS The sound to come
Riccardo Massari (keyboards, electronics) Matt Davignon (drum machine)
TWENTY DOLLARS and includes a free unreleased CD compilation, while
supply lasts.

The second is Wednesday night, 4/11
10 pm
ICTUS Italian Invasion Two
Boris Savoldelli (voice) Marco Cappelli (guitar) Carlo Actis Dato
(bass clarinet) Matt Davignon (drum machine)
TWENTY DOLLARS and includes a free unreleased CD compilation, while
supply lasts.

Please come by and say hello!

Matt
--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusi= c.com
Podcast! ht= tp://ribosomematt.podomatic.com




--
--=A0
Tips Across the Water= s, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording = by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds
from the sale of this CD = will benefit JDRF International.=A0=A0jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

--20cf307ca32a13d86704bd2190fd-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 8 02:51:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F1C918345C; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 02:51:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 155624.92781.bm@omp1011.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1333853375; bh=YLtXfFr9dhbjAyGXefi/20wi0pIouHOH1TIIjfUsK48=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer; b=2qWpy0GBApCD5JYu4FW51UHCCNmmBD/CCwsZkb4tsZ4ZdmAZxSZI+Mnibq6Ct53CXtCQPqcJK7TaDh8/miMCGouP5v2h0Z1pjVa9JA1gG3h9aGuAPL2GiszxjBsyT/PCSPqbzi2sWAccfox478l3Lecx8w7gw7jxjejCAQAw6qU= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: mLwJAqQVM1nWPVs5dOk2h2UEAFEwq8eVoIrddvzkCjJjzcd NxyW8gft13kK1QqxnaY2qxtMhBA46iGwdO8IChXsOzUnoE1VyrCrfnHchoAI m5LQ7we5kn1d7L84c9k_GCaumcG1Y_Tt6myxUy4qPijlAKIfsaYZFeVNrwNA fon9.cAi7LEecWTlfaSWtAmF2YkKObHjIpdbEhsyiwWiRhAu58TUJaWrcONz fbiheNeOoUvlUYXYo0YzTk1DnA2x2m0WEBTlRGc.UMfsF4tn74rB32dk67KY GgWVTI0zwgnKxAeHPWYdqjb_S8.BweDqmuqfbiczbf9Q6DdaOOeprM_YkPsy xP7vK_90_HFpf6bZM7vB2QHMNjtOwb7TCvGmobZAziTe2U5ui4ZHIO5ZIV8m T_YhjWJi9JlTkqLyxwiTlMHqJyaLkmfoR1OIbTGvlgBgOVBpWQ2g0bjET_Ty VcjtdfS4gfSTvAwnAI4bUjkxhWOQcx2w5Ec_hyGUJCdTxsk850RjRHAYpuve 7rdKWz3mUocWqIYrCghAKEfaJbCyrItnkqUhtzUDVak9KpTCNLw1vm49JSMr eTOMghTZu_cWOx3Z8Xq8FQjWPzlNnr9HBtwAqRYONJkuiqYlOgm2Hl6SOFK8 loQvVcE5U1UIyy28xMyQUP3ZRrrV6T7skKVDCQS8m493Cx1Anp1lVTJb_hRm xwUMvLye7uIEE0M_ns22ZtcJYfIpu6FSBcuA7Mu705PMFK_5st2RdkKVa9J0 RggqKgkC8OtGbbe3uGRwB X-Yahoo-SMTP: ILs26NSswBDuK82.iJb8TCN7cubm0SmUbZYidhSBIQ-- From: Laurie Amat Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_723F3CA7-BB9F-4239-AFB5-3C00B66C1F35" Subject: Re: In NYC this week! Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 22:49:19 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Resent-Message-ID: <3t0B0C.A.zUC.50PgPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 02:51:37 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_723F3CA7-BB9F-4239-AFB5-3C00B66C1F35 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Matt,=20 sorry i'm gonna miss you. I'm on the plane coming back, right this = minute. On Apr 7, 2012, at 10:22 PM, Jim Goodin wrote: > Matt that is wonderful you are doing appearances at the Stone for your = return to NY. Welcome in advance. Doubtful I can make tomorrow nite = but I may try on Wed. You're in good company tomorrow nite, according = to the schedule Henry Kaiser is performing in a duo at 8pm. >=20 > Jim >=20 > On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Matt Davignon = wrote: > Hi all, >=20 > I'm going to be New York this week, playing at a couple shows at The > Stone (http://www.thestonenyc.com). >=20 > The first is tomorrow (Sunday) night: >=20 > Sunday 4/8 > 10 pm > ICTUS The sound to come > Riccardo Massari (keyboards, electronics) Matt Davignon (drum machine) > TWENTY DOLLARS and includes a free unreleased CD compilation, while > supply lasts. >=20 > The second is Wednesday night, 4/11 > 10 pm > ICTUS Italian Invasion Two > Boris Savoldelli (voice) Marco Cappelli (guitar) Carlo Actis Dato > (bass clarinet) Matt Davignon (drum machine) > TWENTY DOLLARS and includes a free unreleased CD compilation, while > supply lasts. >=20 > Please come by and say hello! >=20 > Matt > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > --=20 > Tips Across the Waters, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and = Wire Ware. >=20 > =46rom Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim = Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds > from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. = jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. >=20 --Apple-Mail=_723F3CA7-BB9F-4239-AFB5-3C00B66C1F35 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi = Matt, 

sorry i'm gonna miss you. I'm on the = plane coming back, right this = minute.


On Apr 7, 2012, at 10:22 = PM, Jim Goodin wrote:

Matt that = is wonderful you are doing appearances at the Stone for your return to = NY.  Welcome in advance.  Doubtful I can make tomorrow nite = but I may try on Wed.  You're in good company tomorrow nite, = according to the schedule Henry Kaiser is performing in a duo at = 8pm.

Jim

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 = at 9:38 PM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,

I'm going to be New York this week, playing at a couple shows at The
Stone (http://www.thestonenyc.com).

The first is tomorrow (Sunday) night:

Sunday 4/8
10 pm
ICTUS The sound to come
Riccardo Massari (keyboards, electronics) Matt Davignon (drum = machine)
TWENTY DOLLARS and includes a free unreleased CD compilation, while
supply lasts.

The second is Wednesday night, 4/11
10 pm
ICTUS Italian Invasion Two
Boris Savoldelli (voice) Marco Cappelli (guitar) Carlo Actis Dato
(bass clarinet) Matt Davignon (drum machine)
TWENTY DOLLARS and includes a free unreleased CD compilation, while
supply lasts.

Please come by and say hello!

Matt
--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com




-- =
-- 
Tips Across the Waters, a new app for = iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

=46rom Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz = recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.  Proceeds
from the = sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.  jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.


= --Apple-Mail=_723F3CA7-BB9F-4239-AFB5-3C00B66C1F35-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 8 02:56:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A9B9183461; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 02:56:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4LqO3rF7GEHg6+8XTW3p74EcLOjD/aM5Z9r7+ddKx88=; b=qlm0zsUPGqxsCdDCBlBRtLupaJ4SPgdVzFS9lNNnIFkj6c/BfS6FcGDz/uiRX2uc0v 2BpGiYzEZ67Z+yqsKdCxo0cq63z/QlG2CcdBYllw/dKq5ulF8ySBTLRlad6vL/Pc+s5P HCCt/1TF3DA/oNJHoZ2ecmHlEEOQltIJ+YjTgUqmqrLDTGabbgFjbNDtuh5bR4NBE9K8 mx91CKlQV0EyhnWvs34cb4dporuMXHX/Z/e+Qdvh3lOnDXO0bXKzaMhyE5vILniSEHJP L0z0HO29cSFhQkpBDf54hrZ6wW0cRakX0wNMP48k3jTJk+qIWpLrdNFiUBKTmYLZMY1K BxEQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 22:56:24 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: In NYC this week! From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9cdc0f9fe538304bd22086c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 02:56:24 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9cdc0f9fe538304bd22086c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Laurie have a great trip back west. I'm so glad I got to reconnect with you and catch your wonderful collaborative sets this past week at the 19ths in Brooklyn. Safe travels, happy easter and maybe see you in the fall at Y2K. Jim On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Laurie Amat wrote: > Hi Matt, > > sorry i'm gonna miss you. I'm on the plane coming back, right this minute= . > > > On Apr 7, 2012, at 10:22 PM, Jim Goodin wrote: > > Matt that is wonderful you are doing appearances at the Stone for your > return to NY. Welcome in advance. Doubtful I can make tomorrow nite but= I > may try on Wed. You're in good company tomorrow nite, according to the > schedule Henry Kaiser is performing in a duo at 8pm. > > Jim > > On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Matt Davignon wro= te: > >> Hi all, >> >> I'm going to be New York this week, playing at a couple shows at The >> Stone (http://www.thestonenyc.com). >> >> The first is tomorrow (Sunday) night: >> >> Sunday 4/8 >> 10 pm >> ICTUS The sound to come >> Riccardo Massari (keyboards, electronics) Matt Davignon (drum machine) >> TWENTY DOLLARS and includes a free unreleased CD compilation, while >> supply lasts. >> >> The second is Wednesday night, 4/11 >> 10 pm >> ICTUS Italian Invasion Two >> Boris Savoldelli (voice) Marco Cappelli (guitar) Carlo Actis Dato >> (bass clarinet) Matt Davignon (drum machine) >> TWENTY DOLLARS and includes a free unreleased CD compilation, while >> supply lasts. >> >> Please come by and say hello! >> >> Matt >> -- >> Matt Davignon >> mattdavignon@gmail.com >> www.ribosomemusic.com >> Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com >> >> > > > -- > -- > *Tips Across the Waters > *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. > > *From Brooklyn To Glindran*, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim > Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds > from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. > jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. > > > --=20 --=20 *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. *From Brooklyn To Glindran*, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. --14dae9cdc0f9fe538304bd22086c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Laurie have a great trip back west. =A0I'm so glad I got to reconnect w= ith you and catch your wonderful collaborative sets this past week at the 1= 9ths in Brooklyn. =A0Safe travels, happy easter and maybe see you in the fa= ll at Y2K.

Jim

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at= 10:49 PM, Laurie Amat <voicesound@att.net> wrote:
Hi Matt,=A0

sorry i&= #39;m gonna miss you. I'm on the plane coming back, right this minute.<= /div>


On Apr 7, 201= 2, at 10:22 PM, Jim Goodin wrote:

Matt that is wonderful you are doing appearan= ces at the Stone for your return to NY. =A0Welcome in advance. =A0Doubtful = I can make tomorrow nite but I may try on Wed. =A0You're in good compan= y tomorrow nite, according to the schedule Henry Kaiser is performing in a = duo at 8pm.

Jim

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at= 9:38 PM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:=
Hi all,

I'm going to be New York this week, playing at a couple shows at The Stone (http://www= .thestonenyc.com).

The first is tomorrow (Sunday) night:

Sunday 4/8
10 pm
ICTUS The sound to come
Riccardo Massari (keyboards, electronics) Matt Davignon (drum machine)
TWENTY DOLLARS and includes a free unreleased CD compilation, while
supply lasts.

The second is Wednesday night, 4/11
10 pm
ICTUS Italian Invasion Two
Boris Savoldelli (voice) Marco Cappelli (guitar) Carlo Actis Dato
(bass clarinet) Matt Davignon (drum machine)
TWENTY DOLLARS and includes a free unreleased CD compilation, while
supply lasts.

Please come by and say hello!

Matt
--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gm= ail.com
www.ribosomemus= ic.com
Podcast! h= ttp://ribosomematt.podomatic.com




--
--=A0
Tips Across the Water= s, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording = by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds
from the sale of this CD = will benefit JDRF International.=A0=A0jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.





--
--=A0
Tips Across the Waters, a new app for iOS from James Go= odin/Wood and Wire Ware.

From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording = by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds
from the sale of this CD = will benefit JDRF International.=A0=A0jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

--14dae9cdc0f9fe538304bd22086c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 8 03:04:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 965C0183455; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 03:04:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7498,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-07_05:2012-04-05,2012-04-07,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1204070382 Subject: Re: In NYC this week! From: Teddy Kumpel In-reply-to: Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 23:03:40 -0400 Message-id: <35BB4673-76DC-47A7-A362-72D609F32BD8@mac.com> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 03:04:22 +0000 (UTC) I'm gonna try to come see you If you're around Monday night at midnight come hear my live looping trio at Rockwood Music Hall on 196 Allen Street (1st Ave) 1/2 a block south of Houston Street, not far from The Stone. Teddy On Apr 7, 2012, at 9:38 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm going to be New York this week, playing at a couple shows at The > Stone (http://www.thestonenyc.com). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 8 08:08:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DFF018345C; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:08:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 749085377/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.22.26/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.22.26 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAIdGgU9YbRYa/2dsb2JhbAANOLw1AQEEOEARCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAcFYjTaDJASbS40/ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,389,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="749085377" Message-ID: <4F81479F.5090906@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 09:09:03 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative LP2 References: <4F7E871C.1090604@cruzio.com> <0463D8BF-2833-47F1-A801-28B83EFBB3B6@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <0463D8BF-2833-47F1-A801-28B83EFBB3B6@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:08:50 +0000 (UTC) Philip wrote: >So I was surprised when I learned that Rick had TWO LP2s on his board. The reason he has 2 before anyone else has them is in order to test them while synced together. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 8 16:10:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E721183461; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 16:10:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 111412.61733.bm@omp1011.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1333901405; bh=A0A8OGteBFLn7r6bkFXZK3WLLFbOZHZnFfAlObD+QKo=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer; b=Ne+FxjLdh+Q+OzvvxMRErgsT5o/Smy9g3OFb1zlqrrkvIyrGfGSmdByTmMIJp8d12/DTFC+dkPAYf1biDStG/cIahgKYtpLAbO79BJrv5bg293G8kPhxklfb1KOsWE4Zs+x5I/C3NY2Ans8OTA8kzKSRdTvIILpjL9Hde+6ULu0= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: OExNkaEVM1kfrH9WKKLnER6TixlOBJTAFJue80vqvp3EIJK 2Rq19ZInTWOb86BWKQ_KTV2V6UMZ24Lkv27vVYAUUk6_J41PwvBYTBatfw_o Eji0mhHxJBOR7GmgyMtbVXCWY8OvdJuMtGvLYZXDFyjK1qtvzykIEwjgusNJ jI._Asb8HJMmhMZp0Pjl9uxGfCfps_ri6NCFT3U3mb8n71WOHCXBpJHn8Scr EHF0bZiglGS_Lz7vsTXq2MOQ39SHkLyGhP256dZsFFVRu2p1u_xHzDt2k8tN nleYiuQLDoxyg6weiFcMyDrWbSS3biTEJgjLSI_JBfaUDv5gJ8SAYb1HQH7o Sp51jAX.B7ibC4Rldr2qJLrW_3vvnb5nYt3ZPB0wREBoZOJqmEauNBP5veHW 9J6OVZZvcrNX4irysEwMatDpAZpO35CSzNY7Vru6005Z5OaZ26aeo5..UZ_f WeufhuhQSYtBYCNzSsqYONDwDl_M85ZUSo4TI.CcRE3RUIy.EiOX47Ud1_SU rYo_obTYXXskuQA.e8913EhE4FSDBaSrOorqnCF1ipfXRh03iDlX8MTl878j P_2BNxRHuONTHDAOnCKr4EEmNCsTOksyiklatgztVfal2bGh6Z8ua84YJiSe goDW6EWg6Olok_I6fKFbpYZSuaS7fQS.nad60WR7aPufsEALP78zkJ_9Rd28 mda46WT0sUF6VSJY4ldTAn6TkSz7AXU1yl4U7fUveTw3h4cPb69J.DwbdkYq A4CwM.MFQ8nX6Dib7vmcOWyX5pRSivd8zr43kxRwimPJKGGGxQsHLBA-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: ILs26NSswBDuK82.iJb8TCN7cubm0SmUbZYidhSBIQ-- From: Laurie Amat Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7E24BBF1-AAB0-4A4B-BE62-09A6323FCAFC" Subject: Re: In NYC this week! Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 09:10:01 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: <00D62F47-8D5E-4A89-8F24-FAF3A0B44540@att.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 16:10:08 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_7E24BBF1-AAB0-4A4B-BE62-09A6323FCAFC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 thanks Jim,=20 It was such a nice surprise to see you too.=20 I hope to be there for the LOOOOOP! See you then. On Apr 7, 2012, at 7:56 PM, Jim Goodin wrote: > Laurie have a great trip back west. I'm so glad I got to reconnect = with you and catch your wonderful collaborative sets this past week at = the 19ths in Brooklyn. Safe travels, happy easter and maybe see you in = the fall at Y2K. >=20 > Jim >=20 > On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Laurie Amat = wrote: > Hi Matt,=20 >=20 > sorry i'm gonna miss you. I'm on the plane coming back, right this = minute. >=20 >=20 > On Apr 7, 2012, at 10:22 PM, Jim Goodin wrote: >=20 >> Matt that is wonderful you are doing appearances at the Stone for = your return to NY. Welcome in advance. Doubtful I can make tomorrow = nite but I may try on Wed. You're in good company tomorrow nite, = according to the schedule Henry Kaiser is performing in a duo at 8pm. >>=20 >> Jim >>=20 >> On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Matt Davignon = wrote: >> Hi all, >>=20 >> I'm going to be New York this week, playing at a couple shows at The >> Stone (http://www.thestonenyc.com). >>=20 >> The first is tomorrow (Sunday) night: >>=20 >> Sunday 4/8 >> 10 pm >> ICTUS The sound to come >> Riccardo Massari (keyboards, electronics) Matt Davignon (drum = machine) >> TWENTY DOLLARS and includes a free unreleased CD compilation, while >> supply lasts. >>=20 >> The second is Wednesday night, 4/11 >> 10 pm >> ICTUS Italian Invasion Two >> Boris Savoldelli (voice) Marco Cappelli (guitar) Carlo Actis Dato >> (bass clarinet) Matt Davignon (drum machine) >> TWENTY DOLLARS and includes a free unreleased CD compilation, while >> supply lasts. >>=20 >> Please come by and say hello! >>=20 >> Matt >> -- >> Matt Davignon >> mattdavignon@gmail.com >> www.ribosomemusic.com >> Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> --=20 >> Tips Across the Waters, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and = Wire Ware. >>=20 >> =46rom Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim = Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds >> from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. = jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > --=20 > Tips Across the Waters, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and = Wire Ware. >=20 > =46rom Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim = Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds > from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. = jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. >=20 --Apple-Mail=_7E24BBF1-AAB0-4A4B-BE62-09A6323FCAFC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
Laurie = have a great trip back west.  I'm so glad I got to reconnect with = you and catch your wonderful collaborative sets this past week at the = 19ths in Brooklyn.  Safe travels, happy easter and maybe see you in = the fall at Y2K.

Jim

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 = at 10:49 PM, Laurie Amat <voicesound@att.net> = wrote:
Hi = Matt, 

sorry i'm gonna miss you. I'm on the = plane coming back, right this minute.


On Apr 7, 2012, at 10:22 = PM, Jim Goodin wrote:

Matt that is wonderful you are doing = appearances at the Stone for your return to NY.  Welcome in = advance.  Doubtful I can make tomorrow nite but I may try on Wed. =  You're in good company tomorrow nite, according to the schedule = Henry Kaiser is performing in a duo at 8pm.

Jim

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 = at 9:38 PM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,

I'm going to be New York this week, playing at a couple shows at The
Stone (http://www.thestonenyc.com).

The first is tomorrow (Sunday) night:

Sunday 4/8
10 pm
ICTUS The sound to come
Riccardo Massari (keyboards, electronics) Matt Davignon (drum = machine)
TWENTY DOLLARS and includes a free unreleased CD compilation, while
supply lasts.

The second is Wednesday night, 4/11
10 pm
ICTUS Italian Invasion Two
Boris Savoldelli (voice) Marco Cappelli (guitar) Carlo Actis Dato
(bass clarinet) Matt Davignon (drum machine)
TWENTY DOLLARS and includes a free unreleased CD compilation, while
supply lasts.

Please come by and say hello!

Matt
--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com




-- =
-- 
Tips Across the Waters, a new app for = iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

=46rom Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz = recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.  Proceeds
from the = sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.  jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

=




--
-- 
Tips Across the Waters, a new app for = iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

=46rom Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz = recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.  Proceeds
from the = sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.  jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.


= --Apple-Mail=_7E24BBF1-AAB0-4A4B-BE62-09A6323FCAFC-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 8 19:30:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E51FF18345C; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 19:30:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F81E749.7040200@theambientping.com> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 15:30:17 -0400 From: PiNG Reply-To: ping@theambientping.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091204 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , Dark Seeds , Drone Deep Chill , Loopers Delight , The Ambient Way Subject: 04.10.12 > The PiNG presents dreamSTATE w Harry Kessels + GCV + Kgevenisandi of Wave World w Michael Holcer & Sylken Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020203.4F81E750.0009,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 19:30:24 +0000 (UTC) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 04.10.12 . THE AMBiENT PiNG presents THE RETURN OF THE dreamSTATE DRONE CYCLE 2012 . Part Four . (A) featuring dreamSTATE with HARRY KESSELS + projections by GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS plus a set by KGEVENISANDI of WAVE WORLD with MICHAEL HOLCER + SYLKEN @ Supermarket . 268 Augusta Ave . Kensington Market just south of College . Map, info and directions at: http://www.supermarkettoronto.com/site/section/contact Tues. April 10th . Doors open at 8:00 . 1st set at 9:00 . $6 Voodoo TV will be broadcasting the PiNG LiVE this Tuesday night! Supermarket audio/video technician Johnny Trelawny has set up a live internet broadcast system VooDoo TV which will be streaming this Tuesday's AMBiENT PiNG event beginning with dreamSTATE's set at 9:00pm sharp EST. Enjoy the ambient flow of audio and pixels. Here's the URL: http://www.livestream.com/voodootv1 . 9:00 . dreamSTATE with HARRY KESSELS . For part 4 of the Drone Cycle 2012, dreamSTATE will be joined by Harry Kessels of the Dutch/Canadian multimedia project Wave World for a set rooted in A-natural. dreamSTATE is looking forward to performing with Harry as he's bringing some unique and different sounds to the cycle via Theremin, Voice and Synthesizer. For more info on the dreamSTATE Drone Cycles in 2000 & 2012: http://www.dreamstate.to/events.htm . 10:00 . KGEVENISANDI of Wave World with MICHAEL HOLCER + SYLKEN . Wave World's lifetime member Kgevenisandi, joined by guest musicians Michael Holcer and Sylken, will be performing seven Wave World pieces. Accompanied by a unique blend of mind-boggling Wave World visuals, their concert will be available through livestream, and recorded for the upcoming Diaspora DVD. Don't miss this opportunity! http://www.waveworld.tv . GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS . Stephen Lindsey's and Eric Siegerman's evolving light paintings, projections, shadows and fog will only colour the dreamSTATE set this evening. http://www.generalchaosvisuals.ca . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . BETWEEN SETS CD . "Nocturnal Earthworm Stew" by sound explorer and radio pioneer David Pritchard who dreamSTATE and Byron Wong will be remembering and celebrating during their set at the May PiNG. http://www.theambientping.com/david_pritchard.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . COMiNG SOON: . TUESDAY MAY 15th 2012 . The Return of the dreamSTATE DRONE CYCLE 2012 . Part Five . (G#) featuring dreamSTATE with BYRON WONG plus a opening set by Hector Centrino and Tetsuo Kogawa featuring transmission art from DEEP WIRELESS + a solo set by BYRON WONG + projections by GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS @ Supermarket . 268 Augusta Ave . Kensington Market just south of College . Map, info and directions at: http://www.supermarkettoronto.com/site/section/contact PiNG doors open at 8:00 . 1st set at 8:30 . $6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . FREE MP3 DOWNLOAD from the ping things' net label archives: "stratification" by URM (dreamSTATE's Jamie Todd) http://pingthings.blogspot.ca/2010/11/download-stratification-by-urm.html Check out the ping things blog for more free download releases from the ping things net label. http://pingthings.blogspot.com For CD collectors, there will be a special selection of Wave World CDs available at the April PiNG @ Supermarket. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a Toronto based creative community of audio artists, performers, musicians and visual artists. The PiNG presents live multimedia performances featuring ambient, electronic, soundscape, space, drone, psychedelic, chillout, downtempo, darkwave and experimental artists from around the world. http://www.theambientping.com The PiNG also has a Twitter account to send you advance updates and reminders of the when & where of future PiNG events. Just search for ambientping to find us. http://twitter.com We're also on facebook too, again just search THE AMBiENT PiNG. http://www.facebook.com ViSiT the ping things store for ambient, electronic and chill things: http://www.pingthings.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any interested friends or appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 03:48:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B895183461; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 03:48:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F825BEF.8010708@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 23:47:59 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #783 for April 5, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 03:48:03 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/120405.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #783 April 5, 2012. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/shows/playList.jsp?id=8602 RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on Wave World. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Sphere" on VFR Records. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/focus.html#apr I also played music by artists appearing soon at the Soundscapes Concert Series; Wave World and Broekhuis, Keller & Schonwalder. http://soundscapes.us PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Broekhuis, Keller Klaus, Where Are Live @ Dorfkirche Repelen 2 and Schonwalder You? (Manikin) Ulrich Schnauss and Underrated Silence Underrated Silence (Bureu) Mark Peters Daniel Ottini (Across a) Frozen Ephemeral Ether Volume 1 Lake (none) Ian Boddy and Vista Frontiers (DiN) Erik Wollo Ian Boddy and Trek Frontiers (DiN) Erik Wollo Oystein Jorgensen Distant Imagine (Auraltone) ['ramp] node part one steel and steam (doombient) ['ramp] node part two steel and steam (doombient) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== ['ramp] solenoid steel and steam (doombient) Wave World Sphere Sphere (VFR) Wave World Membrane Sphere (VFR) Wave World Sphere (Club Mix) Sphere (VFR) Wave World Membrane(Club Mix) Sphere (VFR) Wave World Psycho Eggs Sphere (VFR) Paul Nagle Transhuman Transhuman Express Express * (BogusFocus) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Wave World. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Another Strange Day On Gonxa" on VFR Records. Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/listen on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 08:49:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D55B3183461; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 08:49:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=wv6CjhfuXm+ztL/o87me0KdXfvBc2Uh+hhGk8iwuRb8=; b=vt0srS5z/QBCy8jHxNluEw3dc3TNoKN+LC2wVyXlNOouHz/AO1iis+M/mRWfc/rxJv OFA2nKBK1CNp/MRsy/tfARx90ZBAMdlGpOa9e0EQCBePonjxPAXqRV3dCSXyNsNMW4W2 Tcu/QIJK9XDmzJbXh6WYo6c1oNNq2HYCbteaAyxHeb60UmojuSHuWE3VMapW/PjgKi1T XSvXbsPI/YU0HtZWYlUi9W4ubaO0GTeE1hS9EXA8bKmt0esnScK1TF+O6JY88s5w2TzK r+aO2LOgWqaQRpSKezxtmejmwVkeXp51krXPoeIWjJ0eign34Jlxi62cOI6dHR6YWOjb Tg2Q== Subject: Blending music with photography From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) Message-Id: <87BEC7DA-1B2B-4DD0-8975-7A67FFAA265D@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 01:49:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 08:49:50 +0000 (UTC) Recently my closest friends at school have been really getting in to photogr= aphy. They already bought their $400-$700 DSLR cameras. Out of jealousy I've= been looking into photography myself (I know, teenage emotions blah blah bl= ah). The fact that I play piano which takes up 2-3 hours of practice kind of= limits my time for it. But then I had this idea of getting my own camera, a= nd that I could use photography to inspire my musical ideas for looping. Lik= e trying to compose a song that fits the image. What do you guys think about= this? Kaylon= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 09:25:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7DE2183462; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 09:25:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 743364853/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.22.26/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.22.26 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBANeqgk9YbRYa/2dsb2JhbAANN7xBAQEBBDhRCxgJJQ8CRhwBwWGNNoMkBJtLjT8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,393,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="743364853" Message-ID: <4F82AB12.90107@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 10:25:38 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Blending music with photography References: <87BEC7DA-1B2B-4DD0-8975-7A67FFAA265D@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <87BEC7DA-1B2B-4DD0-8975-7A67FFAA265D@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 09:25:41 +0000 (UTC) Gmail wrote: > Recently my closest friends at school have been really getting in to photography. > I could use photography to inspire my musical ideas for looping. > What do you guys think about this? > > Kaylon are you inspired by your friend's photos? andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 13:58:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A68A318345E; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 13:58:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=fu+i7QsCZEpwcL/ZJ5Qw1M3nMrgOW9OxnvvbtkyeE9w=; b=X5cuIz+68mmAvoBPV7WVwWpCZrmFIxKZwOI5QTDzbIoxBaU8APM4xH2YoDRZXFJsaA KLwjRcAHi4y0qxIoI3beHu2MTJ1HVtrREUtSSQALJ30PRZ0fxrM2Yl4e4L7izCyG9mpJ Gdfp20N4HCXgXUmdNVW8rO5w1VE/DRN+uQ8xSxYixLRdp7cAv6Fo+5ctbJ0azuB1VsGT vhXCCTfuiga16YMLoB7lKM/AdGZukXBOvfIlLoGYSc3hqANC37F2lS9YDn3Z7x47wXRa VAhSPdkAryy2jeIAmA++UDi9ersYiV1bK05PiK2j9hX+frtNdVhKN8qDrMv7hb8TnGB+ i8kA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F82AB12.90107@tiscali.co.uk> References: <87BEC7DA-1B2B-4DD0-8975-7A67FFAA265D@gmail.com> <4F82AB12.90107@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 06:58:12 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Blending music with photography From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d7e94ba0c19c04bd3f653e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 13:58:13 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d7e94ba0c19c04bd3f653e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Inspired for music or just because they're good? On Apr 9, 2012 2:25 AM, "andy butler" wrote: > Gmail wrote: > >> Recently my closest friends at school have been really getting in to >> photography. >> I could use photography to inspire my musical ideas for looping. What do >> you guys think about this? >> >> Kaylon >> > > are you inspired by your friend's photos? > > andy > > --0016e6d7e94ba0c19c04bd3f653e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Inspired for music or just because they're good?

On Apr 9, 2012 2:25 AM, "andy butler" = <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>= ; wrote:
Gmail wrote:
Recently my closest friends at school have been really getting in to photog= raphy.
I could use photography to inspire my musical ideas for looping. What do yo= u guys think about this?

Kaylon

are you inspired by your friend's photos?

andy

--0016e6d7e94ba0c19c04bd3f653e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 15:48:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EE8D183463; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 15:48:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3607 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 15:48:07 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: In-reply-to: <87BEC7DA-1B2B-4DD0-8975-7A67FFAA265D@gmail.com> References: <87BEC7DA-1B2B-4DD0-8975-7A67FFAA265D@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 10:33:47 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: Blending music with photography Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 15:48:08 +0000 (UTC) See http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld for my take on some of the possibilities At 1:49 AM -0700 4/9/12, Gmail wrote: >Recently my closest friends at school have been really getting in to >photography. They already bought their $400-$700 DSLR cameras. Out >of jealousy I've been looking into photography myself (I know, >teenage emotions blah blah blah). The fact that I play piano which >takes up 2-3 hours of practice kind of limits my time for it. But >then I had this idea of getting my own camera, and that I could use >photography to inspire my musical ideas for looping. Like trying to >compose a song that fits the image. What do you guys think about >this? > >Kaylon -- "I rang a silent bell ..." -- Robert Hunter "... cast your dancing spell my way, I promise to go under it" -- Bob Dylan My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 17:11:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16FC9183465; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 17:11:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Subject: OT How music can uplift and enliven the human person Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 12:11:36 -0500 Message-ID: <014c01cd1673$d258fdb0$770af910$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: Ac0Wc0p4wGZIlI+CQIKJtZpF8lQpuA== x-vipre-scanned: 0A07960C002DFC0A079759 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 17:11:39 +0000 (UTC) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKDXuCE7LeQ&feature=player_embedded Just wanted to share. ~peace~ Mike www.michaelplishka.com www.scribbledmusings.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 17:20:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0E1B183465; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 17:20:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=/JJMUps34X5qP+Z8WwrKuRxOd+Ba49cJ6S4HIFcknpg=; b=lHMNbAHVymVbcTQK0s4foerfyBKIMHm7aKacVWUWA+84bArR8ttvCKzlB5TjfKFOil xc4jJRnOf33wG5oUeC1VUu/QBzPzUi6pyeEKKaTy+K7VkC5vm1bgrnY12VIBeMB7cvgE lMcDynsSnND0QiUR9apJpZHl+AipC94bMUojAAM8KukcDeR+opcFkX5ziP7MjqTWw7eO YCvLCsb2/dYCWzCMfsG+3i5ddvv+vlkt42g/RIyNGKWUMrwadDmWEr97nY8u8b4iHiMV w8xE52rOl87F2LSLp7KAGTmule4M23akdf0aLoMNKvhRjQxWGWQVZLYaxfESSxyVEf2c ViZw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <014c01cd1673$d258fdb0$770af910$@michaelplishka.com> References: <014c01cd1673$d258fdb0$770af910$@michaelplishka.com> From: todd reynolds Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 13:19:21 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT How music can uplift and enliven the human person To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efe31146cbe0f04bd42371a Resent-Message-ID: <4V0uLC.A.FZD.DpxgPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 17:20:04 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4efe31146cbe0f04bd42371a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable just beautiful, Mike. I'll offer something up in your spirit with this one... totally different direction, but along the lines of the beauty and joy of music. http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=3D7404678n&tag=3Dapi all the best, todd On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 1:11 PM, wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DNKDXuCE7LeQ&feature=3Dplayer_embedded > > Just wanted to share. > > ~peace~ > > > Mike > > > > > > > > www.michaelplishka.com > www.scribbledmusings.com > > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =95 *The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011* - Amazon.com =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://toddreynolds.com http://twitter.com/digifiddler http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://facebook.com/toddreynolds http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds need me right away? Call or text me at 917.576.6166 --e0cb4efe31146cbe0f04bd42371a Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable just beautiful, Mike. =A0

I'll offer something up in= your spirit with this one...=A0

totally different= direction, but along the lines of the beauty and joy of music.
<= br>

all the best,=A0

todd




On Mon, = Apr 9, 2012 at 1:11 PM, <mike@michaelplishka.com> wrote:
http://www.you= tube.com/watch?v=3DNKDXuCE7LeQ&feature=3Dplayer_embedded

Just wanted to share.

~peace~


Mike







www.michaelplis= hka.com
www.scribbled= musings.com





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=95=A0Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now avail= able wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however!=A0=

need me right away? =A0Call or text me at 917.576.6166



--e0cb4efe31146cbe0f04bd42371a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 17:22:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BF4D183461; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 17:22:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <681951F1-716C-428D-814A-11C7D536B8FA@aol.com> From: openjam@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <014c01cd1673$d258fdb0$770af910$@michaelplishka.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: OT How music can uplift and enliven the human person Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 13:22:08 -0400 References: <014c01cd1673$d258fdb0$770af910$@michaelplishka.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1333992136; bh=YZiKeVdTmhFq4mm2WRXLBTmpbKK4jUlIiJ+T+ggIikQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=aigsosk2z4Ip1fcs//Z+mCWKOsZvtCyKtCcVmz0Q2ED+7Eu3OFVH+rlCxTfMsvuSx WqTXLcvOPubxtBx6VDwZs1P4tr38nXxM8PZ2oKB4BJJY2iOaUBVZPcyiP4cQyVs4eQ zq9PZy3yVXpYKOwXsu0DwpsHsCjP2QkkEe9ysk3k= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:421698016:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29434f831ac807ec X-AOL-IP: 174.101.236.151 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 17:22:21 +0000 (UTC) thanks for this.....i've been given old age a lot of thought recently and this makes me happier about those - hopefully inevitable - days. On Apr 9, 2012, at 1:11 PM, wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKDXuCE7LeQ&feature=player_embedded > > Just wanted to share. > > ~peace~ > > > Mike > > > > > > > > www.michaelplishka.com > www.scribbledmusings.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 17:22:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82DDF183464; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 17:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: References: <87BEC7DA-1B2B-4DD0-8975-7A67FFAA265D@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <87BEC7DA-1B2B-4DD0-8975-7A67FFAA265D@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Blending music with photography Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 12:22:48 -0500 Message-ID: <015901cd1675$63050330$290f0990$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQHKnmsm5AesRkn1T3tjKbhyiEtjJJaXqmLQ x-vipre-scanned: 0A10EC27002DFC0A10ED74 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 17:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Here's something I did with images to create moodboards and go from there: http://zenstorming.wordpress.com/2010/08/17/insights-into-forcing-creativity -the-mood-board-music-experiment/ (I actually created an experiment to follow up on that if you'd like to participate http://zenstorming.posterous.com/singersongwriters-composers-knowing-your-mu se ) ~peace~ Mike www.michaelplishka.com www.scribbledmusings.com -----Original Message----- From: Gmail [mailto:k3zz21@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 3:50 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Blending music with photography Recently my closest friends at school have been really getting in to photography. They already bought their $400-$700 DSLR cameras. Out of jealousy I've been looking into photography myself (I know, teenage emotions blah blah blah). The fact that I play piano which takes up 2-3 hours of practice kind of limits my time for it. But then I had this idea of getting my own camera, and that I could use photography to inspire my musical ideas for looping. Like trying to compose a song that fits the image. What do you guys think about this? Kaylon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 19:42:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60694183465; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 19:42:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 753237857/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.22.26/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.22.26 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBALY6g09YbRYa/2dsb2JhbAANN7xlAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYIBwkDAgECATQRGQMBwjWNR4MkBJtLjT8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,394,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="753237857" Message-ID: <4F833B97.2070309@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 20:42:15 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Blending music with photography References: <87BEC7DA-1B2B-4DD0-8975-7A67FFAA265D@gmail.com> <4F82AB12.90107@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4BFssB.A.vqE.fuzgPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 19:42:23 +0000 (UTC) :-) how should I know. Just struck me that you already had a source of photos, and that you might use those to try out your idea. andy kay'lon rushing wrote: > Inspired for music or just because they're good? > > On Apr 9, 2012 2:25 AM, "andy butler" > wrote: > > Gmail wrote: > > Recently my closest friends at school have been really getting > in to photography. > I could use photography to inspire my musical ideas for looping. > What do you guys think about this? > > Kaylon > > > are you inspired by your friend's photos? > > andy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 20:01:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44B67183463; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 20:01:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=z9V5nAr9Y3l4zVDhgnh/egOwzrHMzWlJk2JJuhGGMsA=; b=dSReh2PM1YpuM+QWegnhTijgNtWsyVj2Pg1wt51hxm+KKcM000bMUYCyhkAHjGWXpE oTaOn9nKmJVk25RwYRPacv//A/Xe0QoznYlNOoKPH7vbdQLwPQuKDC3FOv8g3vE/iu8y GEbxlekSfZvCVQPB3HYLLGCuH4f/6zZhZULzBgJO6sK9d00wD4iS4aYbq8mSVEtgPBWi jtxbr125JcKkGfUh4w2JTqJpjLV2VT459cUbv8tZEGfO59LBExsSjCYPwtu3N3uw5+8g ndhQvstoOvURTQGO6FBwNA4NmzKdMGKb+HawLKM/29W5qjqZQdD75j/SRSCXwMcufubj c9HQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F833B97.2070309@tiscali.co.uk> References: <87BEC7DA-1B2B-4DD0-8975-7A67FFAA265D@gmail.com> <4F82AB12.90107@tiscali.co.uk> <4F833B97.2070309@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 16:01:56 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Blending music with photography From: Tony K To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f6433a070757d04bd447aa1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 20:01:57 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f6433a070757d04bd447aa1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Here's a little video I did a few years ago with pictures I took and a soundscape recorded for it. http://www.viddler.com/v/3fdf8cfb Pictures are a great source of inspiration. On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 3:42 PM, andy butler wrote: > :-) how should I know. > > Just struck me that you already had a source of photos, > and that you might use those to try out your idea. > > andy > > > kay'lon rushing wrote: > >> Inspired for music or just because they're good? >> >> On Apr 9, 2012 2:25 AM, "andy butler" > akbutler@tiscali.co.uk**>> wrote: >> >> Gmail wrote: >> >> Recently my closest friends at school have been really getting >> in to photography. >> I could use photography to inspire my musical ideas for looping. >> What do you guys think about this? >> >> Kaylon >> >> >> are you inspired by your friend's photos? >> >> andy >> >> > -- -==-=-=- Tony --e89a8f6433a070757d04bd447aa1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's a little video I did a few years ago with pictures I took and a = soundscape recorded for it.

http://www.viddler.com/v/3fdf8cfb

Pictures are a great sou= rce of inspiration.

On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 3:42 PM, andy butler = <akbutler@ti= scali.co.uk> wrote:
:-) how should I know.

Just struck me that you already had a source of photos,
and that you might use those to try out your idea.

andy


kay'lon rushing wrote:
Inspired for music or just because they're good?

On Apr 9, 2012 2:25 AM, "andy butler" <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk <mailto:= akbutler@tiscal= i.co.uk>> wrote:

=A0 =A0Gmail wrote:

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Recently my closest friends at school have been really gett= ing
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0in to photography.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I could use photography to inspire my musical ideas for loo= ping.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0What do you guys think about this?

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Kaylon


=A0 =A0are you inspired by your friend's photos?

=A0 =A0andy





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--e89a8f6433a070757d04bd447aa1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 20:57:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D690E18345E; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 20:57:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OvNVi2dfXwtUT8+KKcYdFYNeFZDUtZebFR5FCN8eNZw=; b=dJ2hh1zn0ypvXj4RBfYBH0lP81Fyo/iAiZxdpNGimcjnUoE0/cpmVQCJ4owDTfboLX pjXtJgCn4T5EfvIySHeN/E99iYe+W//tP/lA0iEhc1eaqYFdomo/wjqzY5CcVt30MzDm lo7sH9KFSxpba9pHD25lj8DG546LhJuVKiWQKSTRpJyJYNUP+s5jOyquIEuVUZecueaJ bbOWZROUqw6irBWemZN19GB7I080jPmE3l24v10sWZIYPKk25hTSs+aWTy44RyBqmlHQ MSGTeOYaGsKSsxHdxNjP3kWISin6eEP3Sp/dC467DQ8FWDkngRLUp6yr+k9XpCOJTWZX DMCw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <87BEC7DA-1B2B-4DD0-8975-7A67FFAA265D@gmail.com> <4F82AB12.90107@tiscali.co.uk> <4F833B97.2070309@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 13:57:43 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Blending music with photography From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 20:57:44 +0000 (UTC) In my experience, playing with visuals happening simultaneously with the music (slide shows or VJ stuff) really alters the level of the music (and in a good way). This seems to be true regardless of whether or not the players can see the visuals (so long as there is an audience there to reflect the 'energy' of their experience). My favorite story about this: I was running projections for a friends band and one clip among many was Harry Smith's Abstractions. I was projecting on the band so they couldn't see what was playing at any given time. During the night, they were playing well enough when this piece came on and suddenly, the music just shot up to an entirely different place, really intensely focused and happening. The Abstractions piece ended and the band slowly drifted back to where they had been at before that piece (about 10-15 minutes later I think). I might have written this off as a fluke except weeks later I witnessed the same phenomena at another gig (all improvised tunes so no setlist in advance). Very cool stuff. Kevin On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Tony K wrote: > Here's a little video I did a few years ago with pictures I took and a > soundscape recorded for it. > > http://www.viddler.com/v/3fdf8cfb > > Pictures are a great source of inspiration. > > > On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 3:42 PM, andy butler wrot= e: >> >> :-) how should I know. >> >> Just struck me that you already had a source of photos, >> and that you might use those to try out your idea. >> >> andy >> >> >> kay'lon rushing wrote: >>> >>> Inspired for music or just because they're good? >>> >>> On Apr 9, 2012 2:25 AM, "andy butler" >> > wrote: >>> >>> =A0 =A0Gmail wrote: >>> >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Recently my closest friends at school have been really g= etting >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0in to photography. >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I could use photography to inspire my musical ideas for = looping. >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0What do you guys think about this? >>> >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Kaylon >>> >>> >>> =A0 =A0are you inspired by your friend's photos? >>> >>> =A0 =A0andy >>> >> > > > > -- > -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D- > Tony --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 22:19:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BB5D18345E; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 22:19:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=aOp2dOH2lqSi96SKuPo4XXlx9aTi6rbyZ/rlKa3Lo5pEDkZlDiTwIa23HtZ1Bg5x; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <1430392.1334009972270.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 15:19:31 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Blending music with photography Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd4845c904cc5e94ba0bccaf5ef2a59c69a493caf27dac41a8fd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.38 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 22:19:33 +0000 (UTC) this is the only way i could see myself playing music to visuals-something = 'l i v e': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D63kbWm4p9oo -----Original Message----- >From: Kevin Cheli-Colando >Sent: Apr 9, 2012 1:57 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Blending music with photography > >In my experience, playing with visuals happening simultaneously with >the music (slide shows or VJ stuff) really alters the level of the >music (and in a good way). This seems to be true regardless of >whether or not the players can see the visuals (so long as there is an >audience there to reflect the 'energy' of their experience). > >My favorite story about this: > >I was running projections for a friends band and one clip among many >was Harry Smith's Abstractions. I was projecting on the band so they >couldn't see what was playing at any given time. During the night, >they were playing well enough when this piece came on and suddenly, >the music just shot up to an entirely different place, really >intensely focused and happening. The Abstractions piece ended and the >band slowly drifted back to where they had been at before that piece >(about 10-15 minutes later I think). I might have written this off as >a fluke except weeks later I witnessed the same phenomena at another >gig (all improvised tunes so no setlist in advance). Very cool stuff. > >Kevin > > > >On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Tony K wrote: >> Here's a little video I did a few years ago with pictures I took and a >> soundscape recorded for it. >> >> http://www.viddler.com/v/3fdf8cfb >> >> Pictures are a great source of inspiration. >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 3:42 PM, andy butler wro= te: >>> >>> :-) how should I know. >>> >>> Just struck me that you already had a source of photos, >>> and that you might use those to try out your idea. >>> >>> andy >>> >>> >>> kay'lon rushing wrote: >>>> >>>> Inspired for music or just because they're good? >>>> >>>> On Apr 9, 2012 2:25 AM, "andy butler" >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Gmail wrote: >>>> >>>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Recently my closest friends at school have = been really getting >>>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0in to photography. >>>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I could use photography to inspire my music= al ideas for looping. >>>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0What do you guys think about this? >>>> >>>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Kaylon >>>> >>>> >>>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0are you inspired by your friend's photos? >>>> >>>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0andy >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D- >> Tony > > > >--=20 >Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a >form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > >- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > >Sound and Vision:=C2=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org >Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 22:30:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED6D4183463; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 22:30:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=71knnfjR92aHRFpBpb7hNpbsiLlybBenhA6j3iqaD5U=; b=jm1LnopA7tKvyFZLOXJguZtW2ufKmyEPmbDDo7tIih4cylh+R+k3kS2mVVYiTBJD7v Ms6V9WUT0+27c5waFXTVdzUcNxVIU4+Oo7TWrnGW+rc3sE7+Ke+Ref96fwRnCzMW+Kso lBq61s1a4Smw8AxP1UDijusslD16WtFHxqixPaaWvJlBuSxbqPVbsfYS2j6P1O0gJ8Xl ZXRhSNzcEpdmkfhIw7gCAf98Mf/Oi4T9kItmCDzIz9mrTKewHrHLZa1WahlRCxHaPMje DZ+iEG4CEGvxQROgRVYZSGh9X5zdmhW5G6WgKI6BcvTeEbDgUzlqe5UEPnw6kVPZ+f2H y94A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 15:30:29 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Midi and Mobius Question From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 22:30:30 +0000 (UTC) Hello Mobius users, I was wondering if you could help me out with a problem I'm having setting up Mobius in Live. I've installed Mobius 2.0 running in Live 8.2 on a MAC and I can't seem to get midi bindings to work. I'm running an FCB 1010 into a Behringer rotary thing since it has a midi port and sends out via USB. I'm sending the FCB thru the rotary controller. So, I can see the fcb commands are arriving at the Macbook and Midilearn seems to recognize incoming commands and associates them with the commands I want to bind. This is also true when trying to operate Mobius as a standalone. I press the buttons and nothing happens even though it is arriving at the computer and Mobius is recognizing the commands as coming in. I know I could search the forum over at Circular, but I really prefer this lists knowledge and personality so forgive me if I don't go straight to the source (you folks are my source). Thanks as always, Kevin --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 22:54:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01C51183465; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 22:54:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=Xg1o4L1zgssB0M+rkaCHUcM+mRVl6KF5EoyIOqmWh50=; b=I8B4A+ojIFe0Hz+DjUM+3pBiZLxA9xKzxgRHl4lg2fe7urPLgmeNn+U7E+oCiYBJeG LQ63Jnf1wlVTKF2jKVnN07+1qt1dc/pvM+F06/YWsiih+r+BW+WItHazWigT0YqZ7TTd 1YGdtMUy6VxySTd+HBFSyeqIq3L3J5BbzafyZoFcha24FLoRoJIhINx+nrFTfC0qP1VN FULsyrdWrUG2use9ASNVFcA4dlKfqSmUHiv4QHAkiJXbXEb6NrHXh/jW3oj6SYbdkeoM utZr+FtaykRZim+UNlArg0enAFXN6DQ5MxxBNYOzMzv64fdr6vHHLC3Lvaaco/890oH2 8MaA== Subject: Re: Midi and Mobius Question References: From: Simeon Harris Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (8C148) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 23:54:38 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 8C148) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 22:54:08 +0000 (UTC) Make sure you have told the mobius plugin to recognise your midi devices, as= it receives midi directly, not via the host. Check the configuration menu f= or midi devices Sent from my iPod On 9 Apr 2012, at 23:30, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Hello Mobius users, >=20 > I was wondering if you could help me out with a problem I'm having > setting up Mobius in Live. >=20 > I've installed Mobius 2.0 running in Live 8.2 on a MAC and I can't > seem to get midi bindings to work. >=20 > I'm running an FCB 1010 into a Behringer rotary thing since it has a > midi port and sends out via USB. I'm sending the FCB thru the rotary > controller. So, I can see the fcb commands are arriving at the > Macbook and Midilearn seems to recognize incoming commands and > associates them with the commands I want to bind. This is also true > when trying to operate Mobius as a standalone. I press the buttons > and nothing happens even though it is arriving at the computer and > Mobius is recognizing the commands as coming in. >=20 > I know I could search the forum over at Circular, but I really prefer > this lists knowledge and personality so forgive me if I don't go > straight to the source (you folks are my source). >=20 > Thanks as always, >=20 > Kevin >=20 > --=20 > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.= >=20 > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >=20 > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 23:00:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE1D0183473; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 23:00:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 903 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 23:00:30 UTC X-BigFish: PS-11(zzbb2dI9371I1432N98dKzz1202hzz8275bh8275dhz2fh2a8h668h839h944h) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.236.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:BY2PRD0410HT002.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail61-va3: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.236.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.236.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=BY2PRD0410HT002.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Midi and Mobius Question Thread-Topic: Midi and Mobius Question Thread-Index: AQHNFqBiJH6DchzrNESA4InnLcVYC5aSw8gA Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 22:45:08 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.255.83.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 23:00:30 +0000 (UTC) The usual problem with Live is routing MIDI events into Mobius. When you run Mobius as a plugin you normally let the host control the MIDI devices and then arrange to have the host pass MIDI to the plugin. Each host does this differently. In Live the usual configuration is to insert Mobius into an audio track, then configure a MIDI track to receive on your desired device, then have the MIDI track route what it receives to the audio track containing Mobius. I don't have Live in front of me but there should be a little "Output" or "Send" button somewhere=20 in the MIDI track, click it and select the name of the audio track that Mobius is in. If you've done all that you then have to be careful not to select MIDI events that Live is responding to. Live will take those and not pass them to the plugins. If you are having this problem running Standalone then it's a mystery. It could be that routing through the "rotary thing" is messing with the messages in some way. Have you programmed the FCB to send program changes, notes, or control changes? If notes, make sure both the note on and note off are making it through. I use this to monitor MIDI events coming into the=20 Mac to make sure they are what I expect: http://www.snoize.com/MIDIMonitor/ Oh, and check to see if the bindings are being saved. Something a lot of people (including myself) forget to do is click the little "New" button to add the binding to the list. Just selecting a target and using MIDI learn isn't enough you also have to click New. If none of that explains it then send me this file: /Library/Application Support/Mobius/mobius.xml Jeff On 4/9/12 5:30 PM, "Kevin Cheli-Colando" wrote: >Hello Mobius users, > >I was wondering if you could help me out with a problem I'm having >setting up Mobius in Live. > >I've installed Mobius 2.0 running in Live 8.2 on a MAC and I can't >seem to get midi bindings to work. > >I'm running an FCB 1010 into a Behringer rotary thing since it has a >midi port and sends out via USB. I'm sending the FCB thru the rotary >controller. So, I can see the fcb commands are arriving at the >Macbook and Midilearn seems to recognize incoming commands and >associates them with the commands I want to bind. This is also true >when trying to operate Mobius as a standalone. I press the buttons >and nothing happens even though it is arriving at the computer and >Mobius is recognizing the commands as coming in. > >I know I could search the forum over at Circular, but I really prefer >this lists knowledge and personality so forgive me if I don't go >straight to the source (you folks are my source). > >Thanks as always, > >Kevin > >--=20 >Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a >form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > >- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > >Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org >Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 23:14:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0901183465; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 23:14:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=HGNPSq1EOIJ2UJjQzZq45scIcIPHGLFz5LDvnDN4KaM=; b=jjviSng7C2Bu5ASJSA7+JWMJlyDQCY+KA0GoXVDkMALgGbvNz66YDR9e4axvqPexDC eBLR9i+7lhFDh3UNiDigmHXTUNhhKT46jNF65Yt6Ek1LtF8DwSMaHf3UWf7PYSQhXXzQ eX4hascrJbK3szUH2bVXPJ6ykxWYMRA1UjL7M5STgpRx5bdo1PVqAvkNmDk+VI1oQGlz 4j6fntTW7FQ4LtEQg9oKenVdWfi2bmeMkW7oONN3InKdGDjeHbdW90tC5CM8OPQFGiD/ 8I5luzB6nr1OsgFQAMZ/7vrKaZHHB01NvycfjoDF4Z7kZqd7pwfhrys0R9tuHYq78s9i yFIQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 01:14:54 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Midi and Mobius Question From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 23:14:55 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 12:45 AM, Jeff Larson wrote: > The usual problem with Live is routing MIDI events into Mobius. > When you run Mobius as a plugin you normally let the host control > the MIDI devices and then arrange to have the host pass MIDI to the plugin That's one way. But I think Simeon's adviced method is simpler and better. That's how I do it and it works flawlessly in any host. No setup time at all when applying a new host for Mobius. Just make sure the host is not passing any MIDI input into the Mobius plugin (since you should already have set Mobius plugin to snag MIDI directly from one of the system's MIDI ports) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 23:27:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47034183478; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 23:27:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 903 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 23:27:44 UTC X-BigFish: PS-5(zzbb2dI9371I98dKzz1202hzz8275bhz2fh2a8h668h839h944h) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.236.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:BY2PRD0410HT004.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail147-tx2: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.236.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.236.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=BY2PRD0410HT004.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Midi and Mobius Question Thread-Topic: Midi and Mobius Question Thread-Index: AQHNFqBiJH6DchzrNESA4InnLcVYC5aTGjoA//+xPIA= Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 23:12:37 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.255.83.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <148B2CEADCC2B04A92BB9E8A8484C3B8@namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 23:27:45 +0000 (UTC) Not always. It's best if you configure Mobius to receive from the host. This isn't actually Mobius configuration, you configure the host to send MIDI to Mobius. It is also possible to have Mobius directly access the MIDI devices but depending on the host and the device drivers this can cause problems including crashes since both apps think they are in control of the device. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't so it's almost always best to let the host be in control. The only two exceptions to this rule are when you want Mobius to generate MIDI clocks to pipe back to the host, or if the host doesn't have a way to properly pass MIDI through to the plugins. Jeff On 4/9/12 5:54 PM, "Simeon Harris" wrote: >Make sure you have told the mobius plugin to recognise your midi devices, >as it receives midi directly, not via the host. Check the configuration >menu for midi devices From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 23:34:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D030F183479; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 23:34:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=z59NIc48glvrQv8+OpxACaaGmQFWLkWsM+OEfkh0mUU=; b=S6jBS68uJNw5i9SQ5CXzrmy/4nlIqcCloo4VVG+ELqF5fLk1rQZjD9JP55u5b6zJ3A xJlqcqVuisjvsl95c67QbO6STGUyMA8anDadV7ZJ4xFeFR/rHFav1dhrtIRAEnAgXSBB WWJEIWCYgfuiRbcyp8w+OCQ52cZj/gFyZ9mpJZ/SNEHBznklAmm4FNLeKcvEkJ2oH5Ww +SH5OZcfDBDyE2XQ+P2NiH1aB7Vu4jZqu9ywiffH/K9qakW19XJzjYl9frnz5hzXGI17 4tFTsKbYYtraw524X23uKC2oegANO37u3EKgzZ3BDagwnXFkJGGQybRvR4Ii8x01bT5Y OJJA== Subject: Re: Midi and Mobius Question References: From: Simeon Harris Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (8C148) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <2575AEF9-05A7-40AD-AA2C-7FAC934A034D@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 00:34:45 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 8C148) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 23:34:16 +0000 (UTC) Works flawlessly for me in Live. I'm sending clock from mobius via the iac b= us back to Live as well.=20 Sent from my iPod On 10 Apr 2012, at 00:12, Jeff Larson wrote: > Not always. It's best if you configure Mobius to receive from the host. > This isn't actually Mobius configuration, you configure the host to send > MIDI to Mobius. It is also possible to have Mobius directly access the > MIDI devices but depending on the host and the device drivers this can > cause problems including crashes since both apps think they are in control= > of the device. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't so it's almost > always best to let the host be in control. The only two exceptions to > this rule are when you want Mobius to generate MIDI clocks to pipe back to= > the host, or if the host doesn't have a way to properly pass MIDI through > to the plugins. >=20 > Jeff >=20 >=20 > On 4/9/12 5:54 PM, "Simeon Harris" wrote: >=20 >> Make sure you have told the mobius plugin to recognise your midi devices,= >> as it receives midi directly, not via the host. Check the configuration >> menu for midi devices >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 23:53:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 574E4183465; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 23:53:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BigFish: PS-1(zz9371Izz1202hzz8275bhz2fh2a8h668h839h944hd25h) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.236.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:BY2PRD0410HT004.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail134-tx2: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.236.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.236.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=BY2PRD0410HT004.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: Midi and Mobius Question Thread-Topic: Midi and Mobius Question Thread-Index: AQHNFqBiJH6DchzrNESA4InnLcVYC5aTGjoA//+xPICAAFn5gIAAAbDk Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 23:53:20 +0000 Message-ID: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EDCEEF@BY2PRD0410MB354.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: ,<2575AEF9-05A7-40AD-AA2C-7FAC934A034D@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <2575AEF9-05A7-40AD-AA2C-7FAC934A034D@googlemail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [70.113.124.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 23:53:37 +0000 (UTC) Yes, it can work but not always. It depends on a few things. Mostly not a= ll MIDI device drivers are "multi client", I think most of the new ones are= , but devices that are over 5 years old may not be. What this means is tha= t=0A= one application (Live) will try to open a MIDI device and another applicati= on (Mobius) will try to open =0A= the same device. Sometimes this may fail and Mobius will report an error, = sometimes it succeeds but you'll have weird results because the MIDI inputs= aren't being duplicated for both Live and Mobius. If you reconfigure the = host application and close the device Mobius will still be using it and it = may crash. If you want both the host and Mobius to open devices it is bes= t if they don't open the same ones. You can control this in Live, just don= 't select the devices in Live's configuration page that Mobius will be usin= g. Other hosts (like Mainstage the last time I checked) don't give you thi= s option, they open everything whether you need it or not.=0A= =0A= The IAC bus on OS X is a special case as are PC alternatives like MIDI Yoke= . You shouldn't have a problem with those if both Mobius and the host open= them. =0A= =0A= Jeff=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= ________________________________________=0A= From: Simeon Harris [simeonharris40@googlemail.com]=0A= Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 6:34 PM=0A= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A= Subject: Re: Midi and Mobius Question=0A= =0A= Works flawlessly for me in Live. I'm sending clock from mobius via the iac = bus back to Live as well.=0A= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 01:25:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E65818348C; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 01:25:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=rvNqJbVGdbt4egs52VbhtoJZG7AoPDG9H2iogr/sNfs= c=1 sm=1 a=Mtldwbamdc0A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=4sIg_KSpAAAA:8 a=fh7K5oNrAAAA:20 a=8cyn0mv-AAAA:8 a=0n9OcEmsH7ynpBFqv5IA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=JMcEX2g4xfcA:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: OT How music can uplift and enliven the human person From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: <014c01cd1673$d258fdb0$770af910$@michaelplishka.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 18:25:07 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1B94BC92-EBA0-43D2-9DC3-47801CEE3BBA@charter.net> References: <014c01cd1673$d258fdb0$770af910$@michaelplishka.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <-AFmMB.A.Rm.1v4gPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 01:25:09 +0000 (UTC) Wow. I watched this segment this afternoon and was blown away. Left me in tears in fact. A world of thanks for sharing that. I will have4 to make a point of hunting up and watching the documentary = now Best, Ted On Apr 9, 2012, at 10:11 AM, = wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DNKDXuCE7LeQ&feature=3Dplayer_embedded >=20 > Just wanted to share. >=20 > ~peace~ >=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > www.michaelplishka.com > www.scribbledmusings.com >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 01:42:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A634183464; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 01:42:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=rj6zkFKcLgpdroD2QDSJhqRTp52dZGFOGQACYlXvGk4=; b=e6PkS4WZ+Ma3+zN2JuDWlIczohFNlxYlfxqmmp7U1LfWWvw6jZ1+Pm8Ul5agc2p6jZ MEyyRkjZ24p5ZruZ94s6re/eflaRBvw6ZoKL8nGhkCW0ZCsRxWtf+gaTDjh4NbcQ5wtZ k2Ij6HERc2yZRQUdt9cdtuqIM0q0AHhqU6MODvQ6LQa9SeAqXtwHZVxCazikmmd80un6 auHFG0C/gguW/RpVkzrqxPcel8TLzf5oPW9eBHqUPofsf/WRdwOwhm5mimoW4Bau1KyH nG28Cn0Ua4uBkMHugpmGPrKeKQAOj2dBJ/H0HSvJxy6QUfStvu9W+73QAeHDTL2/nufR 49mQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1B94BC92-EBA0-43D2-9DC3-47801CEE3BBA@charter.net> References: <014c01cd1673$d258fdb0$770af910$@michaelplishka.com> <1B94BC92-EBA0-43D2-9DC3-47801CEE3BBA@charter.net> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 21:42:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT How music can uplift and enliven the human person From: Bennett Williams To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 01:42:30 +0000 (UTC) Now that, is a beautiful story. Go out and see a local band. Pay the money and buy their CD, show the support. On 4/9/12, Ted Killian wrote: > Wow. > > I watched this segment this afternoon and was blown away. > > Left me in tears in fact. > > A world of thanks for sharing that. > > I will have4 to make a point of hunting up and watching the documentary now > > Best, > > Ted > > On Apr 9, 2012, at 10:11 AM, > wrote: > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKDXuCE7LeQ&feature=player_embedded >> >> Just wanted to share. >> >> ~peace~ >> >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> www.michaelplishka.com >> www.scribbledmusings.com >> > > -- Bennett Williams http://www.bennettwilliams.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 04:35:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02C9A183493; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 04:35:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=GnJrh/APuDzFhhr2CEHM8ZUvqq5j8DYlvUgUrddZoug=; b=LkIDQsUNq2x7K5qQLwWEYhyqwAXAoDQgGfSyixWJWG9fp6AF1qnRHS9E5gwKKDYqef WV347bpRYTKPCo7cahq+CPW3YcDRTiAzt6sa3KwUW4OFLwwPokO831iqh4BymFNrsopJ 9gI/ik0gLeE14Oym/Zwi3LjPrRGSsxi/ScwA4RkkY3Za2cGqKm6qQ9mUbafZzMd+D8b8 K8MnSGV7ZosGUm/xJSQsGyW4OKu6vXlwLHLF9jTD+NkuhAsNdd4W6OGMcvZlxEg0uP0j eye4/Dp7mwRK9gwrBAx1Sjj2lYGSN4VE5qpPrIgmLu823T2+z6M9vPhwcp/dFmTwZd2k cvFQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EDCEEF@BY2PRD0410MB354.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <2575AEF9-05A7-40AD-AA2C-7FAC934A034D@googlemail.com> <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EDCEEF@BY2PRD0410MB354.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 21:35:25 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Midi and Mobius Question From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 04:35:27 +0000 (UTC) Thank you all so much, I have ignition. I'm not entirely sure what I was doing incorrectly the first time, but it was probably the routing of the audio and midi tracks. At any rate, the FCB is now binding to all midi events and life is splendid. Sad to say that since I sold my Repeater I had been reduced to a single M9 for looping. My looping life has just expanded exponentially as I take my place among the software side. Thanks again, Kevin On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Jeff Larson wro= te: > Yes, it can work but not always. =A0It depends on a few things. =A0Mostly= not all MIDI device drivers are "multi client", I think most of the new on= es are, but devices that are over 5 years old may not be. =A0What this mean= s is that > one application (Live) will try to open a MIDI device and another applica= tion (Mobius) will try to open > the same device. =A0Sometimes this may fail and Mobius will report an err= or, sometimes it succeeds but you'll have weird results because the MIDI in= puts aren't being duplicated for both Live and Mobius. =A0If you reconfigur= e the host application and close the device Mobius will still be using it a= nd it may crash. =A0 If you want both the host and Mobius to open devices i= t is best if they don't open the same ones. =A0You can control this in Live= , just don't select the devices in Live's configuration page that Mobius wi= ll be using. =A0Other hosts (like Mainstage the last time I checked) don't = give you this option, they open everything whether you need it or not. > > The IAC bus on OS X is a special case as are PC alternatives like MIDI Yo= ke. =A0You shouldn't have a problem with those if both Mobius and the host = open them. > > Jeff > > > > ________________________________________ > From: Simeon Harris [simeonharris40@googlemail.com] > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 6:34 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Midi and Mobius Question > > Works flawlessly for me in Live. I'm sending clock from mobius via the ia= c bus back to Live as well. > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 05:47:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10276183490; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 05:47:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: References: <014c01cd1673$d258fdb0$770af910$@michaelplishka.com> <1B94BC92-EBA0-43D2-9DC3-47801CEE3BBA@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <1B94BC92-EBA0-43D2-9DC3-47801CEE3BBA@charter.net> Subject: RE: OT How music can uplift and enliven the human person Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 00:47:54 -0500 Message-ID: <012601cd16dd$7a0c1c90$6e2455b0$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHB8rblHsNrZGiqoDwtYvZlqoD8nALIsEf9lpOPwSA= Content-Language: en-us x-vipre-scanned: 0CBF64DD002DFF0CBF662A X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: <38aP4.A.ntC.Om8gPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 05:47:58 +0000 (UTC) Ted, My pleasure. I too was really overwhelmed by the story. I'm on the hunt for the documentary as well. Best, Mike -----Original Message----- From: Ted Killian [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 8:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT How music can uplift and enliven the human person Wow. I watched this segment this afternoon and was blown away. Left me in tears in fact. A world of thanks for sharing that. I will have4 to make a point of hunting up and watching the documentary now Best, Ted On Apr 9, 2012, at 10:11 AM, wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKDXuCE7LeQ&feature=player_embedded > > Just wanted to share. > > ~peace~ > > > Mike > > > > > > > > www.michaelplishka.com > www.scribbledmusings.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 05:48:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D571183499; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 05:48:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: References: <014c01cd1673$d258fdb0$770af910$@michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: OT How music can uplift and enliven the human person Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 00:47:54 -0500 Message-ID: <012701cd16dd$7a4a8520$6edf8f60$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0128_01CD16B3.91758E90" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHB8rblHsNrZGiqoDwtYvZlqoD8nAIyCyiXlphEr8A= Content-Language: en-us x-vipre-scanned: 0CBE73AB002DFF0CBE74F8 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 05:48:06 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0128_01CD16B3.91758E90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Todd! Another beautiful story. I shared this with many others already! Mike From: todd reynolds [mailto:toddreyn@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 12:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT How music can uplift and enliven the human person just beautiful, Mike. I'll offer something up in your spirit with this one... totally different direction, but along the lines of the beauty and joy of music. http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7404678n &tag=api all the best, todd ------=_NextPart_000_0128_01CD16B3.91758E90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks Todd! Another beautiful story.  I shared this with many = others already!

 

Mike

 

From:= = todd reynolds [mailto:toddreyn@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April = 09, 2012 12:19 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: OT How music = can uplift and enliven the human person

 

just = beautiful, Mike.  

 

I'll offer something up in your spirit with this = one... 

 

totally different direction, but along the lines of = the beauty and joy of music.

 

 

all the best, 

 

todd

------=_NextPart_000_0128_01CD16B3.91758E90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 06:37:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E23D183496; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 06:37:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=I5duDVMZklozoZ+fKK2x3hKVFDOO/2DPoXagTGaLyfw=; b=cW++5mYc6cGRmUV0r8o6Bo4xJ9xnhC8RRRv/qQRAdW8nQRAl6sqBglbDM+427JLi7G qQTYTRjZG3IyfkdMZGR3qC7dqk7sjIhgylyN+FkH4g76sLWNbkc7LNcqh4zqeJ+73I/O wS3eYN+lNMHdt3CBXSsIRPjWhw4ei7xp0zWEh9WfVvjD+aZdom3wExeZLZaUZg24fEQC mknJxKXMKb+XR8iXewVsLV/S7mxVA4Hc7YF7Wy3BCh2/sDsKs+jYyNkKcF2jHxm/U7BU jk4HfoLmwlaPYDND7gTU3i5vgDUMGmFd+sAlgGnz47LUqjefPfKwBjjpr8EH6FTsFk56 RNAQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <012701cd16dd$7a4a8520$6edf8f60$@michaelplishka.com> References: <014c01cd1673$d258fdb0$770af910$@michaelplishka.com> <012701cd16dd$7a4a8520$6edf8f60$@michaelplishka.com> From: Christopher Clark Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 23:36:38 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT How music can uplift and enliven the human person To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04430674b876df04bd4d5aa5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 06:37:20 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04430674b876df04bd4d5aa5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Perspective for us all. A truly amazing person and message. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj-RJ4k9c04&feature=related On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 10:47 PM, wrote: > Thanks Todd! Another beautiful story. I shared this with many others > already!**** > > ** ** > > Mike**** > > ** ** > > *From:* todd reynolds [mailto:toddreyn@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Monday, April 09, 2012 12:19 PM > > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* Re: OT How music can uplift and enliven the human person**** > > ** ** > > just beautiful, Mike. **** > > ** ** > > I'll offer something up in your spirit with this one... **** > > ** ** > > totally different direction, but along the lines of the beauty and joy of > music.**** > > ** ** > > http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7404678n&tag=api**** > > ** ** > > all the best, **** > > ** ** > > todd**** > -- Regards, CRC --f46d04430674b876df04bd4d5aa5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Perspective for us all. A truly amazing person and message.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DJj-RJ4k9c04&feature=3Dre= lated



On Mon, Apr 9,= 2012 at 10:47 PM, <mike@michaelplishka.com> wrote:

Thanks Todd! Another beautiful story.=A0 I s= hared this with many others already!

=A0<= /p>

Mike

=A0<= /p>

From: todd = reynolds [mailto:to= ddreyn@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 12:19 PM

To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: = OT How music can uplift and enliven the human person

=A0

j= ust beautiful, Mike. =A0

=A0

I'll offer something = up in your spirit with this one...=A0

=A0

totally different direction, but along the lines of the beau= ty and joy of music.

= =A0

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all the best,=A0<= /u>

=A0

=

todd




--
Regards,

CRC


--f46d04430674b876df04bd4d5aa5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 07:35:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF283183499; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 07:35:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_94f805a1-d0d2-40f0-b2ed-fea151e4f0fe_" X-Originating-IP: [219.179.186.6] From: Anders Bergdahl To: , , , , , , , , Subject: Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 07:35:42 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2012 07:35:42.0541 (UTC) FILETIME=[88B727D0:01CD16EC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 07:35:43 +0000 (UTC) --_94f805a1-d0d2-40f0-b2ed-fea151e4f0fe_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.bekermanfranzetti.com.ar/wp-content/themes/bekermanfranzetti/eg= jw.html?eov=3Da.jhj&ff=3Dcm.sxs&cuvom=3Dpcaa = --_94f805a1-d0d2-40f0-b2ed-fea151e4f0fe_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable = --_94f805a1-d0d2-40f0-b2ed-fea151e4f0fe_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 08:37:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0C94183496; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 08:37:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=Ub/MV6GpgmdxyOGPhhY8ePB21MPSH9XYc8MHph/m25k=; b=Blp4CmuO1vj92eyVqRpBIfaR3+btcVS0lVewInYvpVMy1rit6XB/3m0u1LA1LLXSfe Nd0t8kjGOA2SHBYWgwXecylqFKs8wIUW/IGtWVgnqIFVyJmm5II0oRPnMSmEIyMVCwcU mpZQsIAk8BTZPXWQzBP+1dg06z8xbDGK1GW2W1wkDSqmrda96wp47srv14xaToZH/jVX 5zf1oe5FvF7vOjOPOaOwiCAaGVLo2dLrOXp2LgP7fgEOwCFryHfbtyzgkBOaWuJb/WqB KoxnMeWmuEb1CSB9j5UnDTGrBHFevaC8BQzklzjUut8+inqsR5XzgrUuK2Z/dFXS4YmE pxpw== References: <014c01cd1673$d258fdb0$770af910$@michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <014c01cd1673$d258fdb0$770af910$@michaelplishka.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <0DCE19C4-0799-4A4A-B60E-2BAE114978B1@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8A306) From: Fabio_A Subject: Re: OT How music can uplift and enliven the human person Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:36:15 +0200 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: <7nZI9C.A.hPE.9E_gPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 08:37:17 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for sharing. I was moved -f Il giorno 09/apr/2012, alle ore 19:11, ha scritto: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKDXuCE7LeQ&feature=player_embedded > > Just wanted to share. > > ~peace~ > > > Mike > > > > > > > > www.michaelplishka.com > www.scribbledmusings.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 09:48:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C68018349E; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 09:48:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 302 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 09:48:04 UTC From: Matteo Giudici Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--738512959 Subject: Re: Blending music with photography Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:42:52 +0200 In-Reply-To: <1430392.1334009972270.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <1430392.1334009972270.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 09:48:05 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6--738512959 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Some years ago I did a project in trio (electroharp, guitar and = sculptor/painter): the interesting thing was that the painter "played" = with us. Here you can see a promotional video made with a fragment of a live = performance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DFt7GFxDwGyo Matteo Il giorno 10/apr/2012, alle ore 00.19, stanitarium@earthlink.net ha = scritto: > this is the only way i could see myself playing music to = visuals-something 'l i v e': > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D63kbWm4p9oo >=20 > -----Original Message----- >> From: Kevin Cheli-Colando >> Sent: Apr 9, 2012 1:57 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Blending music with photography >>=20 >> In my experience, playing with visuals happening simultaneously with >> the music (slide shows or VJ stuff) really alters the level of the >> music (and in a good way). This seems to be true regardless of >> whether or not the players can see the visuals (so long as there is = an >> audience there to reflect the 'energy' of their experience). >>=20 >> My favorite story about this: >>=20 >> I was running projections for a friends band and one clip among many >> was Harry Smith's Abstractions. I was projecting on the band so they >> couldn't see what was playing at any given time. During the night, >> they were playing well enough when this piece came on and suddenly, >> the music just shot up to an entirely different place, really >> intensely focused and happening. The Abstractions piece ended and = the >> band slowly drifted back to where they had been at before that piece >> (about 10-15 minutes later I think). I might have written this off = as >> a fluke except weeks later I witnessed the same phenomena at another >> gig (all improvised tunes so no setlist in advance). Very cool = stuff. >>=20 >> Kevin >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Tony K wrote: >>> Here's a little video I did a few years ago with pictures I took and = a >>> soundscape recorded for it. >>>=20 >>> http://www.viddler.com/v/3fdf8cfb >>>=20 >>> Pictures are a great source of inspiration. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 3:42 PM, andy butler = wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> :-) how should I know. >>>>=20 >>>> Just struck me that you already had a source of photos, >>>> and that you might use those to try out your idea. >>>>=20 >>>> andy >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> kay'lon rushing wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Inspired for music or just because they're good? >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Apr 9, 2012 2:25 AM, "andy butler" >>>> > wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Gmail wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Recently my closest friends at school have been really = getting >>>>> in to photography. >>>>> I could use photography to inspire my musical ideas for = looping. >>>>> What do you guys think about this? >>>>>=20 >>>>> Kaylon >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> are you inspired by your friend's photos? >>>>>=20 >>>>> andy >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -- >>> -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D- >>> Tony >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have = a >> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all = trouble. >>=20 >> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >>=20 >> Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org >> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-6--738512959 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Some = years ago I did a project in trio (electroharp, guitar and = sculptor/painter): the interesting thing was that the painter "played" = with us.
Here you can see a promotional video made with a fragment of = a live performance: http://www.youtube.c= om/watch?v=3DFt7GFxDwGyo

Matteo

Il giorno = 10/apr/2012, alle ore 00.19, stanitarium@earthlink.net = ha scritto:

this is the only way i could see myself playing music = to visuals-something 'l i v e':
http://www.youtube.c= om/watch?v=3D63kbWm4p9oo

-----Original = Message-----
From: Kevin Cheli-Colando = <billowhead@gmail.com>
Sent: Apr 9, 2012 1:57 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Blending music with = photography

In my = experience, playing with visuals happening simultaneously = with
the music (slide shows or = VJ stuff) really alters the level of the
music (and in a good way).  This seems to be true = regardless of
whether or not = the players can see the visuals (so long as there is = an
audience there to reflect = the 'energy' of their experience).

My favorite = story about this:

I was running = projections for a friends band and one clip among = many
was Harry Smith's = Abstractions.  I was projecting on the band so = they
couldn't see what was = playing at any given time.  During the = night,
they were playing well = enough when this piece came on and suddenly,
the music just shot up to an entirely different place, = really
intensely focused and = happening.  The Abstractions piece ended and = the
band slowly drifted back = to where they had been at before that piece
(about 10-15 minutes later I think).  I might have = written this off as
a fluke = except weeks later I witnessed the same phenomena at = another
gig (all improvised = tunes so no setlist in advance).  Very cool = stuff.

Kevin



On Mon, Apr 9, = 2012 at 1:01 PM, Tony K <bigtonyk@gmail.com> = wrote:
Here's a little video I did a few years ago with pictures = I took and a
soundscape recorded for = it.

http://www.viddler.com/v/3fdf8cfb

Pictures are a great source of = inspiration.


On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 3:42 PM, = andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> = wrote:

:-) = how should I know.

Just = struck me that you already had a source of = photos,
and = that you might use those to try out your = idea.

andy


kay'lon = rushing wrote:

Inspired for music or just = because they're = good?

On Apr 9, 2012 2:25 AM, "andy = butler" = <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk
<mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>> = wrote:

   Gmail = wrote:

      =  Recently my closest friends at school have been really = getting
       in to = photography.
       I = could use photography to inspire my musical ideas for = looping.
       What = do you guys think about = this?

      =  Kaylon


   are you inspired by = your friend's = photos?

  =  andy





--
-=3D=3D-=3D-=3D-
Tony



-- =
Till now you seriously = considered yourself to be the body and to have = a
form. That is the primal = ignorance which is the root cause of all = trouble.

- Ramana = Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and = Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
Video = http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos



= --Apple-Mail-6--738512959-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 10:42:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C714F183496; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:42:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 300 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:42:22 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_57bcfdb9-6ae8-4a97-a969-349865c55f7c_" X-Originating-IP: [81.198.214.5] From: "electroluminescent. ." To: , , , , , , , , Subject: Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 06:37:22 -0400 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2012 10:37:22.0093 (UTC) FILETIME=[E95ACDD0:01CD1705] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:42:22 +0000 (UTC) --_57bcfdb9-6ae8-4a97-a969-349865c55f7c_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.genius-land.com/wp-content/themes/genius_one/tifle.html?we=3Dxb= .jhj&anf=3Dghj.jyg&mhh=3Dvevl = --_57bcfdb9-6ae8-4a97-a969-349865c55f7c_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable = --_57bcfdb9-6ae8-4a97-a969-349865c55f7c_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 15:13:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B381A1834A2; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 15:13:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4IXRW1FgAdr1qD1yWeIJBrjoqw9y9UGIOOi1OwG4KGM=; b=jH/jqcSCEcL+IOKIM5CqpvGYCV1kr8feGCSuu8q7cRwZyToyrr86SNAExr5q7hJgk5 aN/hH0DpeBzmDmPPl1OAJ6J9OoQ9YdDeVQL69QU7I/+Y8Vno6NMWQk/qYc0NSOVrgJTS Qjv0+MxotlHRNS1zOY50H/C9Rz/EEgBfZRKBLHTup3REA7cRV0hlpzySmgp+2NsQFaIo ChzYw4EwRjdHWsQwM8pEElG8A4n5t5t3zZxocM4LZCJK0rIwsYdVGv2kKSsHE/EHurKn WSLGTs7SsKcqOxa84D+JcQSExc70oEwBnG+tqznP2PnSzyUPJkTooaXaZSV5koXtEwJr KLgw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1430392.1334009972270.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 08:13:31 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Blending music with photography From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 15:13:33 +0000 (UTC) Live painting is becoming something of a scene it seems. There are many fine artists and performances that now feature this a large part of the show. Amanda Sage is the artist I'm most familiar with but there are many others. What blows me away is how these people manage to produce really fine works of art in such short periods of time (coming from a family where I frequently saw people spending weeks or more working on their paintings). database of artists http://www.livepainters.org/ Still in progress but interesting nonetheless I think. Kevin On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 2:42 AM, Matteo Giudici wrote: > Some years ago I did a project in trio (electroharp, guitar and > sculptor/painter): the interesting thing was that the painter "played" wi= th > us. > Here you can see a promotional video made with a fragment of a live > performance:=A0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DFt7GFxDwGyo > > Matteo > > Il giorno 10/apr/2012, alle ore 00.19, stanitarium@earthlink.net ha scrit= to: > > this is the only way i could see myself playing music to visuals-somethin= g > 'l i v e': > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D63kbWm4p9oo > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kevin Cheli-Colando > > Sent: Apr 9, 2012 1:57 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Blending music with photography > > > In my experience, playing with visuals happening simultaneously with > > the music (slide shows or VJ stuff) really alters the level of the > > music (and in a good way). =A0This seems to be true regardless of > > whether or not the players can see the visuals (so long as there is an > > audience there to reflect the 'energy' of their experience). > > > My favorite story about this: > > > I was running projections for a friends band and one clip among many > > was Harry Smith's Abstractions. =A0I was projecting on the band so they > > couldn't see what was playing at any given time. =A0During the night, > > they were playing well enough when this piece came on and suddenly, > > the music just shot up to an entirely different place, really > > intensely focused and happening. =A0The Abstractions piece ended and the > > band slowly drifted back to where they had been at before that piece > > (about 10-15 minutes later I think). =A0I might have written this off as > > a fluke except weeks later I witnessed the same phenomena at another > > gig (all improvised tunes so no setlist in advance). =A0Very cool stuff. > > > Kevin > > > > > On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Tony K wrote: > > Here's a little video I did a few years ago with pictures I took and a > > soundscape recorded for it. > > > http://www.viddler.com/v/3fdf8cfb > > > Pictures are a great source of inspiration. > > > > On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 3:42 PM, andy butler wrot= e: > > > :-) how should I know. > > > Just struck me that you already had a source of photos, > > and that you might use those to try out your idea. > > > andy > > > > kay'lon rushing wrote: > > > Inspired for music or just because they're good? > > > On Apr 9, 2012 2:25 AM, "andy butler" > > wrote: > > > =A0 =A0Gmail wrote: > > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Recently my closest friends at school have been really get= ting > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0in to photography. > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I could use photography to inspire my musical ideas for lo= oping. > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0What do you guys think about this? > > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Kaylon > > > > =A0 =A0are you inspired by your friend's photos? > > > =A0 =A0andy > > > > > > > -- > > -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D- > > Tony > > > > > -- > > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble= . > > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > > Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org > > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > > > > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 18:00:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B17318349E; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 18:00:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=sfprsInPq5qBgU7TsDUfS9IVsccTIehirGW4QwUFImY=; b=wWmN0w/sqTxSQhKtC/D05ZW8cTXUO280Pm386SunrBGkPCEpoWPqBRIdihOurs2AFq sCsBvEmnfs5IrATfqOaQrCW8FPXgR4ZXHfQmscT1z9jBNo6tjRhk3JDOpNpB1hCKoQIz egnYpJt6QdtpYkwTxrG3FrHaa2s8zAVsUJBTxoSJSrMVt3IPCCMNI/q3ei+/6vfkhw9K oloaj5q0gZgfpsLOz6VE50tAiwuNaX22uZyzVkT3jLLJXxkgyy+hr9PLNCb2aUgPbDIh tSnOcKvaHzhXpAct2O2HIY+nd8p5gZgLgpzn9fFl4z2EQrgwmXK4wgXiva70v/xi4Pfs iNIA== Message-ID: <4F84752F.40102@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 20:00:15 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Midi and Mobius Question References: <2575AEF9-05A7-40AD-AA2C-7FAC934A034D@googlemail.com> <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EDCEEF@BY2PRD0410MB354.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 18:00:18 +0000 (UTC) Kevin Cheli-Colando schrieb: > Sad to say that since I sold my Repeater I had been reduced to a > single M9 for looping. My looping life has just expanded > exponentially as I take my place among the software side. > I think I know how this must feel to you at the moment: back in the day, my looping world had progressed from Headrush and DL4 to Repeater, and the latter (and the DL4) was then part of my playing setup (together with an Eclipse, FireworX, Triple-C, D2, MC505, Q and Wavestation, if anyone wants to know ;). Then I got this invitation to play Rick's festival (we're talking late 2005 here) - my first headlining spot! Now how to travel around the world with such a huge setup? My answer back then looked roughly like what you describe: a laptop running Möbius within Ableton Live, both controlled by a BCR2000 and a FCB1010. Möbius, for me, has really brought me from the one-man-band looping approach (for which the Repeater is just nice) to the odd-looping thing (of EDP fame), only in polyphonic fashion - the worst of both world so to speak ;). Still using Möbius when I loop (which, nowadays, I don't do at all...). I said this before, but need to say again: Thanks, Jeff! Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 19:13:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC44B1834A3; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:13:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: References: <014c01cd1673$d258fdb0$770af910$@michaelplishka.com> <012701cd16dd$7a4a8520$6edf8f60$@michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: OT How music can uplift and enliven the human person Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:13:40 -0500 Message-ID: <000501cd174e$0a6ce8d0$1f46ba70$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01CD1724.219903B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHB8rblHsNrZGiqoDwtYvZlqoD8nAIyCyiXAm5d0HcBLriBWZZ8PYdw Content-Language: en-us x-vipre-scanned: 0FA11D32002E010FA11E7F X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:13:44 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CD1724.219903B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Christopher! From: Christopher Clark [mailto:mr.cclark@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 1:37 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT How music can uplift and enliven the human person Perspective for us all. A truly amazing person and message. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj-RJ4k9c04 &feature=related On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 10:47 PM, wrote: Thanks Todd! Another beautiful story. I shared this with many others already! Mike From: todd reynolds [mailto:toddreyn@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 12:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT How music can uplift and enliven the human person just beautiful, Mike. I'll offer something up in your spirit with this one... totally different direction, but along the lines of the beauty and joy of music. http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7404678n &tag=api all the best, todd -- Regards, CRC ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CD1724.219903B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks Christopher!

 

From:= = Christopher Clark [mailto:mr.cclark@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, = April 10, 2012 1:37 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: OT How music = can uplift and enliven the human person

 

Perspective for us all. A truly amazing person and = message.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DJj-RJ4k9c04&feature=3Drelated=

 

 

 

On Mon, = Apr 9, 2012 at 10:47 PM, <mike@michaelplishka.com> = wrote:

Thanks Todd! Another beautiful story.  I shared this with many = others already!

 

Mike

 

From:= = todd reynolds [mailto:toddreyn@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April = 09, 2012 12:19 PM


To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:<= /b> Re: OT How music can uplift and enliven the human = person

 <= /o:p>

just = beautiful, Mike.  

 <= /o:p>

I'll offer = something up in your spirit with this = one... 

 <= /o:p>

totally = different direction, but along the lines of the beauty and joy of = music.

 <= /o:p>

 <= /o:p>

all the = best, 

 <= /o:p>

todd



 

-- =
Regards,

CRC

------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CD1724.219903B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 04:12:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD1C01834AE; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 04:12:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 04:12:50 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 23:09:55 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Borah Bergman, Glynis Lomon, Lou Cohen, Andrea Pensado, Doctor T, Saturday Outpost 186 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 04:12:51 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, (Dr T presents Visual Music Live) featuring free jazz legend Borah Bergman Dr. T -- Video Borah Bergman -- piano Glynis Lomon -- Cello and Voice Andrea Pensado -- Electronics and voice Lou Cohen -- Laptop and Game Controller Piano solo Duets Quartet My projections are produced by mixing multiple DVD sources with a video mixer and effects processor. The sources consist of computer-manipulated original material derived from my still photography and videography. The original subject matter is usually recognizable, but sometimes processed to complete abstraction. Sometimes the projections and music respond directly to each other -- sometimes they simply co-exist. Outpost 186, 186 Hampshire St (in the back), near Inman Square, Cambridge MA Suggested donation, $10 617.876.0860 ~ all ages ~ http://www.zeitgeist-outpost.org Many of my finished video pieces (both studio and live) can be seen at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld. with a piece from the Spring Series at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxBtaJajCkU Those of you who attend or perform at events at Outpost 186 may find my photo essay "Improvisations from an Outpost" http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/sets/72157624670849749/ to be of interest, -- "I rang a silent bell ..." -- Robert Hunter "... cast your dancing spell my way, I promise to go under it" -- Bob Dylan My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 20:52:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCCD91834AD; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:52:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0074504005==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120411205221.26697.87613.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:52:23 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: a dream about looping that I had that I wonder if it can come true Resent-Message-ID: <1y81aB.A.9UG.C8ehPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:52:18 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0074504005== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,=20all!=20This=20is=20Tyler=20the=20comedian!=20Back=20in=202006=20(w= hich,=20according=20to=20what=20I=20see=20on=20Looper's=20 Delight,=20everything=20except=20the=20mailing=20list=20became=20inactive)= =20I=20had=20this=20dream=20about=20a=20song=20that=20I=20had=20 heard=20just=20days=20before.=20In=20the=20dream,=20though,=20part=20of=20i= t=20was=20looped;=20a=20dream=20about=20a=20remix=20before=20I=20had=20even= =20 heard=20of=20a=20remix.=20Well,=20in=20this=20dream,=20there=20was=20a=20ch= ord;=20I=20think=20it=20was=20an=20A=20chord.=20In=20real=20 life,=20the=20chord=20in=20the=20song=20lasts=20for=203/4=20of=20a=20second= .=20In=20the=20dream,=20it=20lasted=20for=2020=20seconds,=20 then=20it=20faded,=20implying=20that=20it=20could=20loop=20on=20forever!=20= Well,=20in=20the=20dream,=20it=20sounded=20like=20one=20long=20chord,=20not= =20 a=20loop.=20Is=20this=20possible=20in=20real=20life;=20to=20make=20a=20loop= =20that,=20if=20someone=20heard=20the=20remix=20before=20they=20 heard=20the=20original,=20they=20would=20think=20it=20was=20originally=20th= at=20way?=20Let's=20say=20there's=20a=20chord=20that=20lasts=20for=20 3/4=20of=20a=20second=20in=20a=20song.=20Is=20there=20a=20way=20to=20make= =20a=20loop=20that,=20when=20played,=20it=20would=20sound=20like=20the=20 chord=20was=20held=20for=2020=20seconds?=20So=20that=20a=20listener=20not= =20familiar=20with=20the=20original=20song=20would=20think=20that=20it=20wa= s=20 really=20held=20for=2020=20seconds,=20and=20not=20really=20sound=20like=20a= n=20obvious=20loop? Tyler=20Z --===============0074504005==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 12 05:42:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1021F183465; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 05:42:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=UFL+fSZbxswbLQ6Nk1DjQAF7vQ5dVfzLQjx51r3DhAc=; b=q0hYz7IppzrhhAtWz2teio4rDvVjnekIvJ7oPdak3cnG36d4cBukXegLu332vj+PXf QR4EdKffQMOMUkrxWImIdNjCtGWUKUQf8XJp0yEtH8iBiVK/7f7sAhXPAI+aB0amKiWu x1zEqdBmSghf/EF4PdpCsRK8831RSTJk/n0jC495etNDfCAc8hiRABX1NSDPSM08ZgJ6 WrL/QL7SZr/kDlyrx6aY7HP3MKjBCOii8JRrwxc005PWM514Wy00qyrBCvaU0yVirRHR m1a4ETwNA+OGyZES9gNCLONPlVMUv8GEsOiX2eZ5WcKZwFpxtTZrNh9K3ApG/banJE/i 7bjw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 22:42:57 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Mobius Mystery part 2 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 05:42:59 +0000 (UTC) Okay, so anyone thinks I should take this to the Mobius forums that's cool, but.... So thanks to Jeff's advice I got Mobius running in live and even managed to configure the layout of the FCB1010 for most functions. Every command I programmed worked EXCEPT, when I press the button bound to the record function, it goes into record for 4 counts and then stops. I've confirmed that the pedal is sending Note on and off with a value of 01. Apologies if I'm missing the obvious, it certainly wouldn't be the first time. I hope to get this figured out before I get annoying with these questions. Any pointers? Thanks, Kevin --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 12 06:26:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0ACC183465; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 06:26:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 906 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 06:26:02 UTC X-BigFish: PS-2(zz9371I4015Izz1202hzz8275bh8275dhz2fh2a8h668h839h944hd25h) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.236.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:BY2PRD0410HT004.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail204-ch1: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.236.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.236.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=BY2PRD0410HT004.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: Mobius Mystery part 2 Thread-Topic: Mobius Mystery part 2 Thread-Index: AQHNGG8hoGbwH0CleUa7Iz0YSW39w5aWscnJ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 06:10:38 +0000 Message-ID: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EDDB91@BY2PRD0410MB354.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [70.113.124.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 06:26:02 +0000 (UTC) There are two possibilities here. One is that the Note Off is not being re= ceived by Mobius which then treats it like a "long press" of Record which c= onverts into a Reset. If you're seeing the record start for awhile then re= turn to Reset mode that's probably it.=0A= =0A= If the record is starting and then stopping after awhile and then begins to= play, it suggests that we're receiving doubled MIDI notes and that you are= using Host Bar sync mode. This happens when you have Mobius opening a MI= DI device on the right side of the "MIDI Devices" window and in addition yo= u have the host configured to send MIDI notes from the same devices via the= VST interface. =0A= =0A= Based on your "4 counts" description it is probably the second one. We're = getting a doubled Record so the first=0A= one starts on the next host bar and the second one ends it on the bar after= that. If you have any Plugin Input Devices selected in the Mobius MIDI De= vices window, then make sure that an Ableton MIDI track is not also sending= MIDI from the same devices into the track containing Mobius. Or alternat= ely leave Ableton as it is and deselect the Plugin Input Device in Mobius.= =0A= =0A= Jeff=0A= =0A= =0A= ________________________________________=0A= From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [billowhead@gmail.com]=0A= Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:42 AM=0A= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A= Subject: Mobius Mystery part 2=0A= =0A= Okay, so anyone thinks I should take this to the Mobius forums that's=0A= cool, but....=0A= =0A= So thanks to Jeff's advice I got Mobius running in live and even=0A= managed to configure the layout of the FCB1010 for most functions.=0A= Every command I programmed worked EXCEPT, when I press the button=0A= bound to the record function, it goes into record for 4 counts and=0A= then stops. I've confirmed that the pedal is sending Note on and off=0A= with a value of 01.=0A= =0A= Apologies if I'm missing the obvious, it certainly wouldn't be the=0A= first time. I hope to get this figured out before I get annoying with=0A= these questions.=0A= =0A= Any pointers?=0A= =0A= Thanks,=0A= =0A= Kevin=0A= =0A= --=0A= Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a=0A= form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.= =0A= =0A= - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)=0A= =0A= Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org=0A= Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos=0A= =0A= =0A= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 12 07:47:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F71A183465; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 07:47:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=vrO6pTwtlR0KWwgTHo7M/jiioOd0Gru6THC0A13SApM=; b=Tt9rkZHEbY+MYE9Gn+3Iuz+Fl29xAH1w9GZh3IL0qir58gHN1Nmuz8dpVkz72IDNRv milykh2xzpVvWOdUOkC4aXXDxGtj1EOJ6PPHQnDYV4qJ8y16Wzm536qAxRKhA8kK+82k WKP4wpLaIJ8fle7VUIOBbLULScy0Bu9IcoM20XohDpoXOfSen1vb2D8zya07etskYWV9 7UgX1u/W07lUT7/C7jzuGiZDo3Hr2BxpaWrfydTVBzPaH8jGeG2Tsu9zXcn79h535bD/ 3i9xnVIp7ERkeFkTTJ+RzjzfgHIPKPwYH4BilOl4jqizJB+zNE11dZzSrlEevzqH5gIF pjvQ== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Mobius Mystery part 2 From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 00:47:06 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7AE04C4C-583B-48E1-BCF3-06EB1CB81DB4@gmail.com> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 07:47:31 +0000 (UTC) Wow that's weird, just this evening I have been wrestling with the exact = same behavior, but with Echoloop within Live. All Echoloop functions are = mapped and respond fine, but pressing the LG controller button bound to = Echoloop's Record function results in a short bit of Record time, = followed by a reset. So it seems to interpret the NoteOn as a long = press. Had it working some time back - encountered this problem then as well, = but somehow solved it, and now cannot recall the solution - gah !=20 Phil On Apr 11, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Okay, so anyone thinks I should take this to the Mobius forums that's > cool, but.... >=20 > So thanks to Jeff's advice I got Mobius running in live and even > managed to configure the layout of the FCB1010 for most functions. > Every command I programmed worked EXCEPT, when I press the button > bound to the record function, it goes into record for 4 counts and > then stops. I've confirmed that the pedal is sending Note on and off > with a value of 01. >=20 > Apologies if I'm missing the obvious, it certainly wouldn't be the > first time. I hope to get this figured out before I get annoying with > these questions. >=20 > Any pointers? >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Kevin >=20 > --=20 > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have = a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all = trouble. >=20 > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >=20 > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 12 08:13:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B421D183466; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 08:13:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 08:13:34 UTC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:06:53 +0200 From: "Georg Hartmann" In-Reply-To: <20120411205221.26697.87613.levelstar.mail@everest> Message-ID: <20120412080653.70860@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20120411205221.26697.87613.levelstar.mail@everest> Subject: Re: a dream about looping that I had that I wonder if it can come true To: Tyler , loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #134351536 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/wJ3VLYDnwF5L2trBLMGJlbTc9Hlqsafswbd8BCR WOh76fE4UM2tW5GE1P6GN9cUOg/eLQhBTncw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: Suj0b8p6eSEqZdFpaXwhuCh+IGRvbwB7 Resent-Message-ID: <2IuJFD.A.P8C.v6ohPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 08:13:35 +0000 (UTC) I guess something like this: start chord => Start recording => end recording => end playing chord If you don't have any clicking sound it should be okay. Or use some LONG reverb but it can affect the tone and sound of the chord. Greetings from Germany, Georg -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:52:23 -0400 > Von: Tyler > An: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: a dream about looping that I had that I wonder if it can come true > Hello, all! This is Tyler the comedian! Back in 2006 (which, according to > what I see on Looper's > Delight, everything except the mailing list became inactive) I had this > dream about a song that I had > heard just days before. In the dream, though, part of it was looped; a > dream about a remix before I had even > heard of a remix. Well, in this dream, there was a chord; I think it was > an A chord. In real > life, the chord in the song lasts for 3/4 of a second. In the dream, it > lasted for 20 seconds, > then it faded, implying that it could loop on forever! Well, in the dream, > it sounded like one long chord, not > a loop. Is this possible in real life; to make a loop that, if someone > heard the remix before they > heard the original, they would think it was originally that way? Let's say > there's a chord that lasts for > 3/4 of a second in a song. Is there a way to make a loop that, when > played, it would sound like the > chord was held for 20 seconds? So that a listener not familiar with the > original song would think that it was > really held for 20 seconds, and not really sound like an obvious loop? > Tyler Z > -- NEU: FreePhone 3-fach-Flat mit kostenlosem Smartphone! Jetzt informieren: http://mobile.1und1.de/?ac=OM.PW.PW003K20328T7073a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 12 09:15:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BCBE183466; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:15:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vYHFdKRwVT/nCg81TsqnolL9I6os5PyIQI68pIwSYa8=; b=p2klt4ce9YfYWFgWbgw38FfmfTBaMHr/EoAwyUAUjGlx62Kc6lUy8QMPaJmWBrOBu4 plFRdY/cuuiz6EEOtERXJjXqCr5hEfip04yCFTbg6iARmbszaomShPo6MwILWKsGp9Mq 4XwOX2RAzC7KbQhfJGhfuxSolluk59+VdoEGCh1HNtPpaeR2pW00b+WusPZJaMuhrBSn J7Ri/bg9zjL7MGvyaDvbXbq3yPAJfKuyGGe1TsgNWTMd3hvsdTUSO+AWXP1HP3xwBr4b yRzpedihK5Q0pQjMwHxa6SWzEI+J2cH0D7BF7v7+LGiYwLrh94adKRyNzUCghYgP/3jm S9fA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7AE04C4C-583B-48E1-BCF3-06EB1CB81DB4@gmail.com> References: <7AE04C4C-583B-48E1-BCF3-06EB1CB81DB4@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 11:15:41 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius Mystery part 2 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:15:42 +0000 (UTC) When using any third-party plugin hosted in Live there are three ways external MIDI control surface gear can talk to the plugin: 1) As MIDI Track Input through Live (activate/deactivate in Live's Preferences, MIDI/Sync tab). 2) As Remote control through Live (activate/deactivate in Live's Preferences, MIDI/Sync tab). 3) Third-party plugin set to listen directly to the system's MIDI Port. The issue with the looper killing itself on Record is typical when more than one of the above control systems are active (as Jeff explained). I have tried all three for looper plugins and with Mobius I stick to "3". Not because it is better but because it makes my jumping between many alternative host applications very smooth. "1" is also easy once you have set the MIDI bindings in Mobius. In order to make "2" work with Mobius one needs to first go into Mobius and chose which parameters the plugin shall expose to the host and then use Ableton's internal system (VST or AU protocol) to set up the mapping in Live. The "Abes" recommend this method. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > Wow that's weird, just this evening I have been wrestling with the exact = same behavior, but with Echoloop within Live. All Echoloop functions are ma= pped and respond fine, but pressing the LG controller button bound to Echol= oop's Record function results in a short bit of Record time, followed by a = reset. So it seems to interpret the NoteOn as a long press. > > Had it working some time back - encountered this problem then as well, bu= t somehow solved it, and now cannot recall the solution - gah ! > > Phil > > > > On Apr 11, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > >> Okay, so anyone thinks I should take this to the Mobius forums that's >> cool, but.... >> >> So thanks to Jeff's advice I got Mobius running in live and even >> managed to configure the layout of the FCB1010 for most functions. >> Every command I programmed worked EXCEPT, when I press the button >> bound to the record function, it goes into record for 4 counts and >> then stops. =C2=A0I've confirmed that the pedal is sending Note on and o= ff >> with a value of 01. >> >> Apologies if I'm missing the obvious, it certainly wouldn't be the >> first time. =C2=A0I hope to get this figured out before I get annoying w= ith >> these questions. >> >> Any pointers? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Kevin >> >> -- >> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a >> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all troubl= e. >> >> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >> >> Sound and Vision: =C2=A0http://www.minds-eye.org >> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 12 16:09:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5913C183475; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 16:09:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: References: <20120411205221.26697.87613.levelstar.mail@everest> <20120412080653.70860@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20120412080653.70860@gmx.net> Subject: RE: a dream about looping that I had that I wonder if it can come true Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 11:09:52 -0500 Message-ID: <010901cd18c6$b1d83420$15889c60$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQCeCcwNHi1CgcKJAr0MHtoF96hEdwF34cnHmOm6YKA= Content-Language: en-us x-vipre-scanned: 01F717BE002E0901F7190B X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 16:09:54 +0000 (UTC) You can also use the Electroharmonix' Freeze pedal: = http://www.ehx.com/products/freeze You can use it alone or to lay down a layer or drone in a loop. Mike www.michaelplishka.com www.scribbledmusings.com -----Original Message----- From: Georg Hartmann [mailto:georghartman@gmx.de]=20 Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 3:07 AM To: Tyler; loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a dream about looping that I had that I wonder if it can = come true I guess something like this: start chord =3D> Start recording =3D> end recording =3D> end playing = chord If you don't have any clicking sound it should be okay. Or use some LONG = reverb but it can affect the tone and sound of the chord. Greetings from Germany, Georg -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:52:23 -0400 > Von: Tyler > An: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: a dream about looping that I had that I wonder if it can come = > true > Hello, all! This is Tyler the comedian! Back in 2006 (which, according = > to what I see on Looper's Delight, everything except the mailing list=20 > became inactive) I had this dream about a song that I had heard just=20 > days before. In the dream, though, part of it was looped; a dream=20 > about a remix before I had even heard of a remix. Well, in this dream, = > there was a chord; I think it was an A chord. In real life, the chord=20 > in the song lasts for 3/4 of a second. In the dream, it lasted for 20=20 > seconds, then it faded, implying that it could loop on forever! Well,=20 > in the dream, it sounded like one long chord, not a loop. Is this=20 > possible in real life; to make a loop that, if someone heard the remix = > before they heard the original, they would think it was originally=20 > that way? Let's say there's a chord that lasts for > 3/4 of a second in a song. Is there a way to make a loop that, when=20 > played, it would sound like the chord was held for 20 seconds? So that = > a listener not familiar with the original song would think that it was = > really held for 20 seconds, and not really sound like an obvious loop? > Tyler Z >=20 --=20 NEU: FreePhone 3-fach-Flat mit kostenlosem Smartphone! = =20 Jetzt informieren: http://mobile.1und1.de/?ac=3DOM.PW.PW003K20328T7073a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 12 17:19:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 358DC183463; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:19:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 751841612/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.16.111/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.16.111 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAJENh09YbRBv/2dsb2JhbAANN4VmtyABAQEEIxURLxELGAICBRYLAgIJAwIBAgEPNhkDAReHZQMWpy2JHg2JU4EviQSGM4EYBJtLhVoDh2I X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,412,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="751841612" Message-ID: <4F870E9D.6090505@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:19:25 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius Mystery part 2 References: <7AE04C4C-583B-48E1-BCF3-06EB1CB81DB4@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:19:54 +0000 (UTC) It's also typical behaviour for when the Note-Off doesn't reach the Echoloop. It seems that Ableton suppresses Note-Off on some (all?) routings. andy Per Boysen wrote: > When using any third-party plugin hosted in Live there are three ways > external MIDI control surface gear can talk to the plugin: > > 1) As MIDI Track Input through Live (activate/deactivate in Live's > Preferences, MIDI/Sync tab). > 2) As Remote control through Live (activate/deactivate in Live's > Preferences, MIDI/Sync tab). > 3) Third-party plugin set to listen directly to the system's MIDI Port. > > The issue with the looper killing itself on Record is typical when > more than one of the above control systems are active (as Jeff > explained). > > I have tried all three for looper plugins and with Mobius I stick to > "3". Not because it is better but because it makes my jumping between > many alternative host applications very smooth. "1" is also easy once > you have set the MIDI bindings in Mobius. In order to make "2" work > with Mobius one needs to first go into Mobius and chose which > parameters the plugin shall expose to the host and then use Ableton's > internal system (VST or AU protocol) to set up the mapping in Live. > The "Abes" recommend this method. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Phil Clevenger > wrote: >> Wow that's weird, just this evening I have been wrestling with the exact same behavior, but with Echoloop within Live. All Echoloop functions are mapped and respond fine, but pressing the LG controller button bound to Echoloop's Record function results in a short bit of Record time, followed by a reset. So it seems to interpret the NoteOn as a long press. >> >> Had it working some time back - encountered this problem then as well, but somehow solved it, and now cannot recall the solution - gah ! >> >> Phil >> >> >> >> On Apr 11, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: >> >>> Okay, so anyone thinks I should take this to the Mobius forums that's >>> cool, but.... >>> >>> So thanks to Jeff's advice I got Mobius running in live and even >>> managed to configure the layout of the FCB1010 for most functions. >>> Every command I programmed worked EXCEPT, when I press the button >>> bound to the record function, it goes into record for 4 counts and >>> then stops. I've confirmed that the pedal is sending Note on and off >>> with a value of 01. >>> >>> Apologies if I'm missing the obvious, it certainly wouldn't be the >>> first time. I hope to get this figured out before I get annoying with >>> these questions. >>> >>> Any pointers? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> -- >>> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a >>> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. >>> >>> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >>> >>> Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org >>> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >>> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 12 17:33:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF8B2183477; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:33:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=M5W5L9hWPR7aK2PYzfwpAA3ChPfitd075aAX4Ttv8oQ=; b=H7nYWbPuVtaJSxdkYZ/FTL1MV/sn79yLzrtxWlmZb+8bU0N/aKDD/7ct80w2EbCQDX 7o/qmxPZyYXaIomMt0Vg1QD5x+2Xf7BCEVS4Jkld14tqrK1FweHU+oSzsKAvZbBcRdO9 HbC4e2ba7NScnodMF92+jeeYvVjE81gzozoCSTpZInFFSYl3JpmA2WXATsT4vRQInF8w HxvmJ8XjO2IKJyIAu/Hp9RfpMPgVjgA3m3HAEfJrmygv1TN/xeu0EDI55sc7K5LkFmjg 2l0ETLu/LSDpvVYNDF2nzgi6RM2D+wfxzygPog0hzL8A3MgjI6W/hG/gVVTewwrXPXC8 ortw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F870E9D.6090505@tiscali.co.uk> References: <7AE04C4C-583B-48E1-BCF3-06EB1CB81DB4@gmail.com> <4F870E9D.6090505@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:33:07 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius Mystery part 2 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:33:08 +0000 (UTC) So is there a preferred midi event to use or the control of Mobius (Notes, PC, CC)? Kevin On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:19 AM, andy butler wrot= e: > It's also typical behaviour for when the Note-Off doesn't reach > the Echoloop. > > It seems that Ableton suppresses Note-Off on some (all?) routings. > > andy > > > Per Boysen wrote: >> >> When using any third-party plugin hosted in Live there are three ways >> external MIDI control surface gear can talk to the plugin: >> >> 1) As MIDI Track Input through Live (activate/deactivate in Live's >> Preferences, MIDI/Sync tab). >> 2) As Remote control through Live (activate/deactivate in Live's >> Preferences, MIDI/Sync tab). >> 3) Third-party plugin set to listen directly to the system's MIDI Port. >> >> The issue with the looper killing itself on Record is typical when >> more than one of the above control systems are active (as Jeff >> explained). >> >> I have tried all three for looper plugins and with Mobius I stick to >> "3". Not because it is better but because it makes my jumping between >> many alternative host applications very smooth. "1" is also easy once >> you have set the MIDI bindings in Mobius. In order to make "2" work >> with Mobius one needs to first go into Mobius and chose which >> parameters the plugin shall expose to the host and then use Ableton's >> internal system (VST or AU protocol) to set up the mapping in Live. >> The "Abes" recommend this method. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Phil Clevenger >> wrote: >>> >>> Wow that's weird, just this evening I have been wrestling with the exac= t >>> same behavior, but with Echoloop within Live. All Echoloop functions ar= e >>> mapped and respond fine, but pressing the LG controller button bound to >>> Echoloop's Record function results in a short bit of Record time, follo= wed >>> by a reset. So it seems to interpret the NoteOn as a long press. >>> >>> Had it working some time back - encountered this problem then as well, >>> but somehow solved it, and now cannot recall the solution - gah ! >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 11, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: >>> >>>> Okay, so anyone thinks I should take this to the Mobius forums that's >>>> cool, but.... >>>> >>>> So thanks to Jeff's advice I got Mobius running in live and even >>>> managed to configure the layout of the FCB1010 for most functions. >>>> Every command I programmed worked EXCEPT, when I press the button >>>> bound to the record function, it goes into record for 4 counts and >>>> then stops. =A0I've confirmed that the pedal is sending Note on and of= f >>>> with a value of 01. >>>> >>>> Apologies if I'm missing the obvious, it certainly wouldn't be the >>>> first time. =A0I hope to get this figured out before I get annoying wi= th >>>> these questions. >>>> >>>> Any pointers? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Kevin >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have = a >>>> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all >>>> trouble. >>>> >>>> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >>>> >>>> Sound and Vision: =A0http://www.minds-eye.org >>>> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >>>> >> >> > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 12 17:38:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EA6E183475; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:38:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=1ignsRX7ag2a6fP0twSrNz6IuIaToZSbeR19DuLnY9w=; b=eDL+C7cE8zFnZblPYyXtKLAwvGsb6q8/U5qeNuFAvhza594ct7vs4DSFlIKyrGx6Xd Si62lPaRFOVZm8Oxaa463bMW3CCZ3curUi8waabRe2OgE10KWIm+uKRlXXcuQOfOhdCX EbELX9L9fmSDMXY8PDxQngU6YsGfBdJ4iftNBYcL0RD26f4kHzPuOjGUXH6k3w+40uFM rHj0Bhcl4+OPhFc/kHbxmlUoMPUGjvTEmlOzpG4Boz42v1Hf2hSiYKAA+AeFRA/XMVHz t+NZsJ9BrgY88KSgBSOLJW7Vid1/13p3J+AiXwRCAY7yv415aH/joAeTMxECutcHeFih 1RmA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F870E9D.6090505@tiscali.co.uk> References: <7AE04C4C-583B-48E1-BCF3-06EB1CB81DB4@gmail.com> <4F870E9D.6090505@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:38:41 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius Mystery part 2 From: Phil Clevenger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04462e9eacb46b04bd7ed387 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:38:43 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04462e9eacb46b04bd7ed387 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am thinking we (and by "we" I think I mean Per and Ricky G) solved the problem by routing MIDI directly to the plug-in via a MIDI track in Ableton, rather than trusting Ableton to deliver the message. So - Set up an empty MIDI channel, and set up an Audio channel. Place the plug-in in the Audio channel. In the MIDI channel route the "MIDI From" from the audio interface (and filter channel if need be) and route the "MIDI To" to the plug-in channel, and subsequently to the plug-in itself within that channel. This should ensure the plug-in is hearing what is being sent, and not being munged by Ableton. I will check this out this evening when I get back to my studio and let you know. Phil :) On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:19 AM, andy butler wrote: > It's also typical behaviour for when the Note-Off doesn't reach > the Echoloop. > > It seems that Ableton suppresses Note-Off on some (all?) routings. > > andy > > > Per Boysen wrote: > >> When using any third-party plugin hosted in Live there are three ways >> external MIDI control surface gear can talk to the plugin: >> >> 1) As MIDI Track Input through Live (activate/deactivate in Live's >> Preferences, MIDI/Sync tab). >> 2) As Remote control through Live (activate/deactivate in Live's >> Preferences, MIDI/Sync tab). >> 3) Third-party plugin set to listen directly to the system's MIDI Port. >> >> The issue with the looper killing itself on Record is typical when >> more than one of the above control systems are active (as Jeff >> explained). >> >> I have tried all three for looper plugins and with Mobius I stick to >> "3". Not because it is better but because it makes my jumping between >> many alternative host applications very smooth. "1" is also easy once >> you have set the MIDI bindings in Mobius. In order to make "2" work >> with Mobius one needs to first go into Mobius and chose which >> parameters the plugin shall expose to the host and then use Ableton's >> internal system (VST or AU protocol) to set up the mapping in Live. >> The "Abes" recommend this method. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/**perboysen >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Phil Clevenger >> wrote: >> >>> Wow that's weird, just this evening I have been wrestling with the exact >>> same behavior, but with Echoloop within Live. All Echoloop functions are >>> mapped and respond fine, but pressing the LG controller button bound to >>> Echoloop's Record function results in a short bit of Record time, followed >>> by a reset. So it seems to interpret the NoteOn as a long press. >>> >>> Had it working some time back - encountered this problem then as well, >>> but somehow solved it, and now cannot recall the solution - gah ! >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 11, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: >>> >>> Okay, so anyone thinks I should take this to the Mobius forums that's >>>> cool, but.... >>>> >>>> So thanks to Jeff's advice I got Mobius running in live and even >>>> managed to configure the layout of the FCB1010 for most functions. >>>> Every command I programmed worked EXCEPT, when I press the button >>>> bound to the record function, it goes into record for 4 counts and >>>> then stops. I've confirmed that the pedal is sending Note on and off >>>> with a value of 01. >>>> >>>> Apologies if I'm missing the obvious, it certainly wouldn't be the >>>> first time. I hope to get this figured out before I get annoying with >>>> these questions. >>>> >>>> Any pointers? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Kevin >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a >>>> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all >>>> trouble. >>>> >>>> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >>>> >>>> Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org >>>> Video http://www.vimeo.com/**user877640/videos >>>> >>>> >> >> > --f46d04462e9eacb46b04bd7ed387 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am thinking we (and by "we" I think I mean Per = and Ricky G) solved the problem by routing MIDI directly to the plug-in via= a MIDI track in Ableton, rather than trusting Ableton to deliver the messa= ge.


So - Set up an empty MIDI channel, and set up an Audio chan= nel. Place the plug-in in the Audio channel. In the MIDI channel route the = "MIDI From" from the audio interface (and filter channel if need = be) and route the "MIDI To" =A0to the plug-in channel, and subseq= uently to the plug-in itself within that channel.


This should ensure the plug-in is hearing what is being sen= t, and not being munged by Ableton.


I will check this out this evening when I get back to my st= udio and let you know.


Phil :)


On Thu, Apr 12, 2= 012 at 10:19 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
It's also typical behaviour for when the Note-Off doesn't reach
the Echoloop.

It seems that Ableton suppresses Note-Off on some (all?) routings.

andy


Per Boysen wrote:
When using any third-party plugin hosted in Live there are three ways
external MIDI control surface gear can talk to the plugin:

1) As MIDI Track Input through Live (activate/deactivate in Live's
Preferences, MIDI/Sync tab).
2) As Remote control through Live (activate/deactivate in Live's
Preferences, MIDI/Sync tab).
3) Third-party plugin set to listen directly to the system's MIDI Port.=

The issue with the looper killing itself on Record is typical when
more than one of the above control systems are active (as Jeff
explained).

I have tried all three for looper plugins and with Mobius I stick to
"3". Not because it is better but because it makes my jumping bet= ween
many alternative host applications very smooth. "1" is also easy = once
you have set the MIDI bindings in Mobius. In order to make "2" wo= rk
with Mobius one needs to first go into Mobius and chose which
parameters the plugin shall expose to the host and then use Ableton's internal system (VST or AU protocol) to set up the mapping in Live.
The "Abes" recommend this method.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen



On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Phil Clevenger
<phil.clev= enger@gmail.com> wrote:
Wow that's weird, just this evening I have been wrestling with the exac= t same behavior, but with Echoloop within Live. All Echoloop functions are = mapped and respond fine, but pressing the LG controller button bound to Ech= oloop's Record function results in a short bit of Record time, followed= by a reset. So it seems to interpret the NoteOn as a long press.

Had it working some time back - encountered this problem then as well, but = somehow solved it, and now cannot recall the solution - gah !

Phil



On Apr 11, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote:

Okay, so anyone thinks I should take this to the Mobius forums that's cool, but....

So thanks to Jeff's advice I got Mobius running in live and even
managed to configure the layout of the FCB1010 for most functions.
Every command I programmed worked EXCEPT, when I press the button
bound to the record function, it goes into record for 4 counts and
then stops. =A0I've confirmed that the pedal is sending Note on and off=
with a value of 01.

Apologies if I'm missing the obvious, it certainly wouldn't be the<= br> first time. =A0I hope to get this figured out before I get annoying with these questions.

Any pointers?

Thanks,

Kevin

--
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.<= br>
- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision: =A0http://www.minds-eye.org
Video = http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos





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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 04:57:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A08EF183475; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 04:57:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+qG6YtsGqFZf2KGPpKfifEm8YMDklIbl/qR0fTtY0n8=; b=FlztZ250vlpRdo9Pt10m1Uh8zWLve9+0NscK24/dnSlYN9YAacG/zbwLXxtZ7Ikqpl Q2LZlASdyrC8iRcgFpCGnv1lCIU/cJtGo2fqgKq738po5eBrWrGsrXW6P/HNtff5rT7y Him0f9Vw809ctRGwovqMpuVx3w4Ew/VJGoTF7NpQBuHGzyH7ziumDZXfSx4o/YVZqDoU yWbuhK6TMz+UXtgq3ryLT6Co4ft/ad5KhB7z7/7fXS5HtUeDs3y2jEJpZm1Rx4UJn+ZV BbMv66oV9b2Fw84fPjkeqc9DGGcOYgj7MPUqG89L+UvbLpr/z+PIR6f5x0NEPY3tKFvR mtEw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <7AE04C4C-583B-48E1-BCF3-06EB1CB81DB4@gmail.com> <4F870E9D.6090505@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 21:57:44 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius Mystery part 2 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 04:57:46 +0000 (UTC) Well, this is getting embarrassing but I will press on to ask again anyway. I can get the midi to work running Mobius as a stand alone. Record starts recording and plays as expected when stopped. But when I go into Live, the recording always does that 1 second and reset thing. I thought I tried all the things suggested (and I do have it set up as described below) but I can't figure out what is going on. Anyone want to take pity on a simpleton and walk me through the steps of configuring Live and Mobius to play nicely together. I feel like I'm missing something obvious but don't know how to track it down. I guess its fair to say I know enough to cause trouble but don't really quite understand exactly what I'm doing. I'd be happy to read a manual but I can't even seem to find the solution to the problem I'm facing in the manual or forums (though Jeff's manual does mention the long press reset problem but seems to assume I would then know how to solve that issue). Round three anyone? Kevin On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > I am thinking we (and by "we" I think I mean Per and Ricky G) solved the > problem by routing MIDI directly to the plug-in via a MIDI track in Ablet= on, > rather than trusting Ableton to deliver the message. > > > So - Set up an empty MIDI channel, and set up an Audio channel. Place the > plug-in in the Audio channel. In the MIDI channel route the "MIDI From" f= rom > the audio interface (and filter channel if need be) and route the "MIDI T= o" > =A0to the plug-in channel, and subsequently to the plug-in itself within = that > channel. > > > This should ensure the plug-in is hearing what is being sent, and not bei= ng > munged by Ableton. > > > I will check this out this evening when I get back to my studio and let y= ou > know. > > > Phil :) > > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:19 AM, andy butler > wrote: >> >> It's also typical behaviour for when the Note-Off doesn't reach >> the Echoloop. >> >> It seems that Ableton suppresses Note-Off on some (all?) routings. >> >> andy >> >> >> Per Boysen wrote: >>> >>> When using any third-party plugin hosted in Live there are three ways >>> external MIDI control surface gear can talk to the plugin: >>> >>> 1) As MIDI Track Input through Live (activate/deactivate in Live's >>> Preferences, MIDI/Sync tab). >>> 2) As Remote control through Live (activate/deactivate in Live's >>> Preferences, MIDI/Sync tab). >>> 3) Third-party plugin set to listen directly to the system's MIDI Port. >>> >>> The issue with the looper killing itself on Record is typical when >>> more than one of the above control systems are active (as Jeff >>> explained). >>> >>> I have tried all three for looper plugins and with Mobius I stick to >>> "3". Not because it is better but because it makes my jumping between >>> many alternative host applications very smooth. "1" is also easy once >>> you have set the MIDI bindings in Mobius. In order to make "2" work >>> with Mobius one needs to first go into Mobius and chose which >>> parameters the plugin shall expose to the host and then use Ableton's >>> internal system (VST or AU protocol) to set up the mapping in Live. >>> The "Abes" recommend this method. >>> >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> www.perboysen.com >>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Phil Clevenger >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Wow that's weird, just this evening I have been wrestling with the exa= ct >>>> same behavior, but with Echoloop within Live. All Echoloop functions a= re >>>> mapped and respond fine, but pressing the LG controller button bound t= o >>>> Echoloop's Record function results in a short bit of Record time, foll= owed >>>> by a reset. So it seems to interpret the NoteOn as a long press. >>>> >>>> Had it working some time back - encountered this problem then as well, >>>> but somehow solved it, and now cannot recall the solution - gah ! >>>> >>>> Phil >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 11, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: >>>> >>>>> Okay, so anyone thinks I should take this to the Mobius forums that's >>>>> cool, but.... >>>>> >>>>> So thanks to Jeff's advice I got Mobius running in live and even >>>>> managed to configure the layout of the FCB1010 for most functions. >>>>> Every command I programmed worked EXCEPT, when I press the button >>>>> bound to the record function, it goes into record for 4 counts and >>>>> then stops. =A0I've confirmed that the pedal is sending Note on and o= ff >>>>> with a value of 01. >>>>> >>>>> Apologies if I'm missing the obvious, it certainly wouldn't be the >>>>> first time. =A0I hope to get this figured out before I get annoying w= ith >>>>> these questions. >>>>> >>>>> Any pointers? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Kevin >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have= a >>>>> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all >>>>> trouble. >>>>> >>>>> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >>>>> >>>>> Sound and Vision: =A0http://www.minds-eye.org >>>>> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >>>>> >>> >>> >> > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 06:14:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5273183474; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 06:14:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=afUFyfgnnnhgmP31oRpcSgUGnMZwjAAamsQFUL82ySA=; b=K1cbvcp+j33lbEidxl8d4K+dws0MA8w+zNEWuwlBmk6XJpIfF1pp/m7aAyML2Pn1fV 21CaZAAeHjJPtqf+wZEL3HQl77qSBguEjHzv4J/tvCYbGa5d7ulV6IsbhQHRE6gvjF0r jtVecKv7XySykA6u5IieV/+usd03I/FoPgOWyCVjTFU2tX/GULrGpBknBMuh96fHV7Cv ZIN+pEkLp9EVMuYpligBvHAkZyNMLvkIHkkOE63y8mxkl8XegLc8k5dr5hYu/ayHq68Z lsYhozBZEo3CjJdmBUWnyPIOKmC4dE4gOaiPoozVeDtKmeim1iuQiIJ6G6A8iUWh1W2S 1DPQ== References: <7AE04C4C-583B-48E1-BCF3-06EB1CB81DB4@gmail.com> <4F870E9D.6090505@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Message-Id: Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) From: Phil Clevenger Subject: Re: Mobius Mystery part 2 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 23:14:19 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 06:14:25 +0000 (UTC) Hey Kevin. So my previous post was incorrect... Delving in tonight, I seem to have solv= ed the problem here. For me, using Live with Echoloop (close relative of M=C3=B6bius), the soluti= on waxy to send TWO Note On messages, both at 127, one in the "down" stream a= nd the other in the "up" stream. Once I did that, Record behaves exactly as i= t should, including long and short press behaviors. And while the other functions were working well enough, deploying this same d= ual Note On scheme at all the buttons on my foot controller opened up all th= e other short/long press stuff for everything ! Not certain this will solve for you, but we are not so far apart I think, an= d maybe there is at least a clue for you here... Good luck :) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 12, 2012, at 9:57 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrot= e: > Well, this is getting embarrassing but I will press on to ask again anyway= . >=20 > I can get the midi to work running Mobius as a stand alone. Record > starts recording and plays as expected when stopped. >=20 > But when I go into Live, the recording always does that 1 second and > reset thing. I thought I tried all the things suggested (and I do > have it set up as described below) but I can't figure out what is > going on. Anyone want to take pity on a simpleton and walk me through > the steps of configuring Live and Mobius to play nicely together. I > feel like I'm missing something obvious but don't know how to track it > down. I guess its fair to say I know enough to cause trouble but > don't really quite understand exactly what I'm doing. >=20 > I'd be happy to read a manual but I can't even seem to find the > solution to the problem I'm facing in the manual or forums (though > Jeff's manual does mention the long press reset problem but seems to > assume I would then know how to solve that issue). >=20 > Round three anyone? >=20 > Kevin >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Phil Clevenger > wrote: >> I am thinking we (and by "we" I think I mean Per and Ricky G) solved the >> problem by routing MIDI directly to the plug-in via a MIDI track in Ablet= on, >> rather than trusting Ableton to deliver the message. >>=20 >>=20 >> So - Set up an empty MIDI channel, and set up an Audio channel. Place the= >> plug-in in the Audio channel. In the MIDI channel route the "MIDI From" f= rom >> the audio interface (and filter channel if need be) and route the "MIDI T= o" >> to the plug-in channel, and subsequently to the plug-in itself within th= at >> channel. >>=20 >>=20 >> This should ensure the plug-in is hearing what is being sent, and not bei= ng >> munged by Ableton. >>=20 >>=20 >> I will check this out this evening when I get back to my studio and let y= ou >> know. >>=20 >>=20 >> Phil :) >>=20 >>=20 >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:19 AM, andy butler >> wrote: >>>=20 >>> It's also typical behaviour for when the Note-Off doesn't reach >>> the Echoloop. >>>=20 >>> It seems that Ableton suppresses Note-Off on some (all?) routings. >>>=20 >>> andy >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Per Boysen wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> When using any third-party plugin hosted in Live there are three ways >>>> external MIDI control surface gear can talk to the plugin: >>>>=20 >>>> 1) As MIDI Track Input through Live (activate/deactivate in Live's >>>> Preferences, MIDI/Sync tab). >>>> 2) As Remote control through Live (activate/deactivate in Live's >>>> Preferences, MIDI/Sync tab). >>>> 3) Third-party plugin set to listen directly to the system's MIDI Port.= >>>>=20 >>>> The issue with the looper killing itself on Record is typical when >>>> more than one of the above control systems are active (as Jeff >>>> explained). >>>>=20 >>>> I have tried all three for looper plugins and with Mobius I stick to >>>> "3". Not because it is better but because it makes my jumping between >>>> many alternative host applications very smooth. "1" is also easy once >>>> you have set the MIDI bindings in Mobius. In order to make "2" work >>>> with Mobius one needs to first go into Mobius and chose which >>>> parameters the plugin shall expose to the host and then use Ableton's >>>> internal system (VST or AU protocol) to set up the mapping in Live. >>>> The "Abes" recommend this method. >>>>=20 >>>> Greetings from Sweden >>>>=20 >>>> Per Boysen >>>> www.perboysen.com >>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Phil Clevenger >>>> wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Wow that's weird, just this evening I have been wrestling with the exa= ct >>>>> same behavior, but with Echoloop within Live. All Echoloop functions a= re >>>>> mapped and respond fine, but pressing the LG controller button bound t= o >>>>> Echoloop's Record function results in a short bit of Record time, foll= owed >>>>> by a reset. So it seems to interpret the NoteOn as a long press. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Had it working some time back - encountered this problem then as well,= >>>>> but somehow solved it, and now cannot recall the solution - gah ! >>>>>=20 >>>>> Phil >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Apr 11, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> Okay, so anyone thinks I should take this to the Mobius forums that's= >>>>>> cool, but.... >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> So thanks to Jeff's advice I got Mobius running in live and even >>>>>> managed to configure the layout of the FCB1010 for most functions. >>>>>> Every command I programmed worked EXCEPT, when I press the button >>>>>> bound to the record function, it goes into record for 4 counts and >>>>>> then stops. I've confirmed that the pedal is sending Note on and off= >>>>>> with a value of 01. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Apologies if I'm missing the obvious, it certainly wouldn't be the >>>>>> first time. I hope to get this figured out before I get annoying wit= h >>>>>> these questions. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Any pointers? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Kevin >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have= a >>>>>> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all >>>>>> trouble. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org >>>>>> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >>>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.= >=20 > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >=20 > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 06:19:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C046518347A; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 06:19:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=PQm9Hvr+RUHJNZ5XkwtwMQe4jnPLB/PDamtMYnrknUU=; b=sUPjgkKv/3HBe3fl5CsKGFfYvpesfpIod6CcqA0yZmcFrfdXSJiLuhzHYgH3r72zF8 UVToM4E13YLgXbA/OvFcZa/tPq6aNXPSc41gtPlK2dCC3stnitU/ii3QQfScq0RlrzgH niCxAvf/vUkDU/sVjUHcv8B5hNZCh/DDLgf6ly147mWH+6nXoNsDiVC+CtcGkKIbt4k5 W3gQawGUQ3UNGNnkYyvex6zAa2f9NF5BUHc9kAJm9jGkAtdLFKomvaelaNsXezoBiMho /AHERbZVwahSdd6fa+EFg0p+lZY82fvwS7PAmCzkdXf+u6Shg+lX4NcbcRzpS/Hiswpy 7rBw== References: <7AE04C4C-583B-48E1-BCF3-06EB1CB81DB4@gmail.com> <4F870E9D.6090505@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Message-Id: <71C232A2-3F22-44A9-A7B4-D0FF9E081980@gmail.com> Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) From: Phil Clevenger Subject: Re: Mobius Mystery part 2 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 23:19:51 -0700 To: Phil Clevenger Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 06:19:57 +0000 (UTC) I should mention my controller is a Gordius LG, and that is where the up and= down midi stream messages are configured. I did stuff like this with the FC300 previously, I think the FCB is similar.= .. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 12, 2012, at 11:14 PM, Phil Clevenger wrot= e: > Hey Kevin. >=20 > So my previous post was incorrect... Delving in tonight, I seem to have so= lved the problem here. >=20 > For me, using Live with Echoloop (close relative of M=C3=B6bius), the solu= tion waxy to send TWO Note On messages, both at 127, one in the "down" strea= m and the other in the "up" stream. Once I did that, Record behaves exactly a= s it should, including long and short press behaviors. >=20 > And while the other functions were working well enough, deploying this sam= e dual Note On scheme at all the buttons on my foot controller opened up all= the other short/long press stuff for everything ! >=20 > Not certain this will solve for you, but we are not so far apart I think, a= nd maybe there is at least a clue for you here... >=20 > Good luck :) >=20 > Sent from my iPhone >=20 > On Apr 12, 2012, at 9:57 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wr= ote: >=20 >> Well, this is getting embarrassing but I will press on to ask again anywa= y. >>=20 >> I can get the midi to work running Mobius as a stand alone. Record >> starts recording and plays as expected when stopped. >>=20 >> But when I go into Live, the recording always does that 1 second and >> reset thing. I thought I tried all the things suggested (and I do >> have it set up as described below) but I can't figure out what is >> going on. Anyone want to take pity on a simpleton and walk me through >> the steps of configuring Live and Mobius to play nicely together. I >> feel like I'm missing something obvious but don't know how to track it >> down. I guess its fair to say I know enough to cause trouble but >> don't really quite understand exactly what I'm doing. >>=20 >> I'd be happy to read a manual but I can't even seem to find the >> solution to the problem I'm facing in the manual or forums (though >> Jeff's manual does mention the long press reset problem but seems to >> assume I would then know how to solve that issue). >>=20 >> Round three anyone? >>=20 >> Kevin >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Phil Clevenger >> wrote: >>> I am thinking we (and by "we" I think I mean Per and Ricky G) solved the= >>> problem by routing MIDI directly to the plug-in via a MIDI track in Able= ton, >>> rather than trusting Ableton to deliver the message. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> So - Set up an empty MIDI channel, and set up an Audio channel. Place th= e >>> plug-in in the Audio channel. In the MIDI channel route the "MIDI From" f= rom >>> the audio interface (and filter channel if need be) and route the "MIDI T= o" >>> to the plug-in channel, and subsequently to the plug-in itself within th= at >>> channel. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> This should ensure the plug-in is hearing what is being sent, and not be= ing >>> munged by Ableton. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> I will check this out this evening when I get back to my studio and let y= ou >>> know. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Phil :) >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:19 AM, andy butler >>> wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> It's also typical behaviour for when the Note-Off doesn't reach >>>> the Echoloop. >>>>=20 >>>> It seems that Ableton suppresses Note-Off on some (all?) routings. >>>>=20 >>>> andy >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Per Boysen wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> When using any third-party plugin hosted in Live there are three ways >>>>> external MIDI control surface gear can talk to the plugin: >>>>>=20 >>>>> 1) As MIDI Track Input through Live (activate/deactivate in Live's >>>>> Preferences, MIDI/Sync tab). >>>>> 2) As Remote control through Live (activate/deactivate in Live's >>>>> Preferences, MIDI/Sync tab). >>>>> 3) Third-party plugin set to listen directly to the system's MIDI Port= . >>>>>=20 >>>>> The issue with the looper killing itself on Record is typical when >>>>> more than one of the above control systems are active (as Jeff >>>>> explained). >>>>>=20 >>>>> I have tried all three for looper plugins and with Mobius I stick to >>>>> "3". Not because it is better but because it makes my jumping between >>>>> many alternative host applications very smooth. "1" is also easy once >>>>> you have set the MIDI bindings in Mobius. In order to make "2" work >>>>> with Mobius one needs to first go into Mobius and chose which >>>>> parameters the plugin shall expose to the host and then use Ableton's >>>>> internal system (VST or AU protocol) to set up the mapping in Live. >>>>> The "Abes" recommend this method. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Greetings from Sweden >>>>>=20 >>>>> Per Boysen >>>>> www.perboysen.com >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Phil Clevenger >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Wow that's weird, just this evening I have been wrestling with the ex= act >>>>>> same behavior, but with Echoloop within Live. All Echoloop functions a= re >>>>>> mapped and respond fine, but pressing the LG controller button bound t= o >>>>>> Echoloop's Record function results in a short bit of Record time, fol= lowed >>>>>> by a reset. So it seems to interpret the NoteOn as a long press. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Had it working some time back - encountered this problem then as well= , >>>>>> but somehow solved it, and now cannot recall the solution - gah ! >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Phil >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Apr 11, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Okay, so anyone thinks I should take this to the Mobius forums that'= s >>>>>>> cool, but.... >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> So thanks to Jeff's advice I got Mobius running in live and even >>>>>>> managed to configure the layout of the FCB1010 for most functions. >>>>>>> Every command I programmed worked EXCEPT, when I press the button >>>>>>> bound to the record function, it goes into record for 4 counts and >>>>>>> then stops. I've confirmed that the pedal is sending Note on and of= f >>>>>>> with a value of 01. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Apologies if I'm missing the obvious, it certainly wouldn't be the >>>>>>> first time. I hope to get this figured out before I get annoying wi= th >>>>>>> these questions. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Any pointers? >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Kevin >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to hav= e a >>>>>>> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all >>>>>>> trouble. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org >>>>>>> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a >> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble= . >>=20 >> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >>=20 >> Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org >> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >>=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 06:43:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22DB4183474; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 06:43:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=r4Ok+blkr8TW/tkZxp2wTC8/t1RMDhsSdZyU3ILngZ4=; b=qezzYMxueaczqpHrO1LLJw1onLj36eh2BX9vvuKLVtSks4auttqt1sR2gmmhqNI+Y7 s2o+aGb9sNyyYbMet5Xy0/5taOSINcFC8Vq+SxvayAdryQDQAQQU1/4osvsQ1Ozviy9D 061wKBf2yK8UYPIkarcR+0IaGp9t2F7JhZm/HBR2XSrRex0mMGYzX5yJ9lHGWAJ6XVmI C9wtfAvlpOVGlVB6AsZ4xPQuYZKo/E3vOMcZMSFPYxymm5YHptzkjZDzb2/lFbbNCfVu PNjeBIl6sUhhYms1fUs6Ca/uPVo7r8ymUlwVsgeLr5nNbP+75fa/6LWSGNlBT/B1n42B DoLg== Subject: Re: Mobius Mystery part 2 References: <7AE04C4C-583B-48E1-BCF3-06EB1CB81DB4@gmail.com> <4F870E9D.6090505@tiscali.co.uk> From: Simeon Harris Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (8C148) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 07:43:50 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 8C148) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 06:43:21 +0000 (UTC) Why not change the note message to a program change message and remap. Betch= a it works then.=20 Sent from my iPod On 13 Apr 2012, at 05:57, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Well, this is getting embarrassing but I will press on to ask again anyway= . >=20 > I can get the midi to work running Mobius as a stand alone. Record > starts recording and plays as expected when stopped. >=20 > But when I go into Live, the recording always does that 1 second and > reset thing. I thought I tried all the things suggested (and I do > have it set up as described below) but I can't figure out what is > going on. Anyone want to take pity on a simpleton and walk me through > the steps of configuring Live and Mobius to play nicely together. I > feel like I'm missing something obvious but don't know how to track it > down. I guess its fair to say I know enough to cause trouble but > don't really quite understand exactly what I'm doing. >=20 > I'd be happy to read a manual but I can't even seem to find the > solution to the problem I'm facing in the manual or forums (though > Jeff's manual does mention the long press reset problem but seems to > assume I would then know how to solve that issue). >=20 > Round three anyone? >=20 > Kevin >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Phil Clevenger > wrote: >> I am thinking we (and by "we" I think I mean Per and Ricky G) solved the >> problem by routing MIDI directly to the plug-in via a MIDI track in Ablet= on, >> rather than trusting Ableton to deliver the message. >>=20 >>=20 >> So - Set up an empty MIDI channel, and set up an Audio channel. Place the= >> plug-in in the Audio channel. In the MIDI channel route the "MIDI From" f= rom >> the audio interface (and filter channel if need be) and route the "MIDI T= o" >> to the plug-in channel, and subsequently to the plug-in itself within tha= t >> channel. >>=20 >>=20 >> This should ensure the plug-in is hearing what is being sent, and not bei= ng >> munged by Ableton. >>=20 >>=20 >> I will check this out this evening when I get back to my studio and let y= ou >> know. >>=20 >>=20 >> Phil :) >>=20 >>=20 >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:19 AM, andy butler >> wrote: >>>=20 >>> It's also typical behaviour for when the Note-Off doesn't reach >>> the Echoloop. >>>=20 >>> It seems that Ableton suppresses Note-Off on some (all?) routings. >>>=20 >>> andy >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Per Boysen wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> When using any third-party plugin hosted in Live there are three ways >>>> external MIDI control surface gear can talk to the plugin: >>>>=20 >>>> 1) As MIDI Track Input through Live (activate/deactivate in Live's >>>> Preferences, MIDI/Sync tab). >>>> 2) As Remote control through Live (activate/deactivate in Live's >>>> Preferences, MIDI/Sync tab). >>>> 3) Third-party plugin set to listen directly to the system's MIDI Port.= >>>>=20 >>>> The issue with the looper killing itself on Record is typical when >>>> more than one of the above control systems are active (as Jeff >>>> explained). >>>>=20 >>>> I have tried all three for looper plugins and with Mobius I stick to >>>> "3". Not because it is better but because it makes my jumping between >>>> many alternative host applications very smooth. "1" is also easy once >>>> you have set the MIDI bindings in Mobius. In order to make "2" work >>>> with Mobius one needs to first go into Mobius and chose which >>>> parameters the plugin shall expose to the host and then use Ableton's >>>> internal system (VST or AU protocol) to set up the mapping in Live. >>>> The "Abes" recommend this method. >>>>=20 >>>> Greetings from Sweden >>>>=20 >>>> Per Boysen >>>> www.perboysen.com >>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Phil Clevenger >>>> wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Wow that's weird, just this evening I have been wrestling with the exa= ct >>>>> same behavior, but with Echoloop within Live. All Echoloop functions a= re >>>>> mapped and respond fine, but pressing the LG controller button bound t= o >>>>> Echoloop's Record function results in a short bit of Record time, foll= owed >>>>> by a reset. So it seems to interpret the NoteOn as a long press. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Had it working some time back - encountered this problem then as well,= >>>>> but somehow solved it, and now cannot recall the solution - gah ! >>>>>=20 >>>>> Phil >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Apr 11, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> Okay, so anyone thinks I should take this to the Mobius forums that's= >>>>>> cool, but.... >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> So thanks to Jeff's advice I got Mobius running in live and even >>>>>> managed to configure the layout of the FCB1010 for most functions. >>>>>> Every command I programmed worked EXCEPT, when I press the button >>>>>> bound to the record function, it goes into record for 4 counts and >>>>>> then stops. I've confirmed that the pedal is sending Note on and off= >>>>>> with a value of 01. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Apologies if I'm missing the obvious, it certainly wouldn't be the >>>>>> first time. I hope to get this figured out before I get annoying wit= h >>>>>> these questions. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Any pointers? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Kevin >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have= a >>>>>> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all >>>>>> trouble. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org >>>>>> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >>>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.= >=20 > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >=20 > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 07:33:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B272183473; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 07:33:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: Re: 11 minute looping piece @ 11:11 on 11/11/11 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:33:04 +0200 Message-ID: <005e01cd1947$aa59d9c0$ff0d8d40$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005F_01CD1958.6DE2A9C0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-Language: de Thread-Index: Ac0ZR6me3+TOBU6DRHe5gQG3rdU6cQ== Resent-Message-ID: <_ARCAC.A.ZzG._a9hPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 07:33:19 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01CD1958.6DE2A9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm currently putting together the Bandcamp album of the 11/11/11 = project proposed by Rick Walker on October 24, 2011. =20 So far I've found submissions by:=20 =20 Jim Goodin, Raul Bonell, Mark Francombe, Nat Grant, Leander Reininghaus, = Lindsey Walker, Simeon Harris, David Cooper Orton, and Michael Peters. =20 Has anyone else created a track for this project? Please send me a = lossless audio file. Contact me offlist if you want to upload it to my = Dropbox. You can also use services like wetransfer.com. =20 These folks have participated in the discussion about the project, but I = haven't found their submissions so far: =20 BC, Dust Bunnies, Fabio_A, Jean-Paul De Roover, Louie Angulo, Michael = Ellis, Petri Lahtinen, RP Collier, Richard Atkinson, Stefan Tiedje, = Sylvain Poitras, chaz worm, kkissinger, michael noble, tEd =C2=AE = KiLLiAn =20 thanks =20 -Michael P =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01CD1958.6DE2A9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm currently putting together the = Bandcamp album of the 11/11/11 project = proposed by Rick Walker on October 24, 2011.

 

So far I've found submissions by: =

 

Jim Goodin, Raul Bonell, = Mark Francombe, Nat Grant, Leander = Reininghaus, Lindsey Walker, Simeon Harris, David Cooper Orton, and = Michael Peters.

 

Has anyone else created a track for = this project?=C2=A0 Please send = me a lossless audio file. Contact me offlist = if you want to upload it to my Dropbox. You = can also use services like wetransfer.com.

 

These folks have participated in the = discussion about the project, but I haven't found their submissions so = far:

 

BC, Dust Bunnies, Fabio_A, Jean-Paul De Roover, Louie Angulo, = Michael Ellis, Petri Lahtinen, RP Collier, = Richard Atkinson, Stefan Tiedje, Sylvain = Poitras, chaz worm, kkissinger, michael = noble, tEd =C2=AE KiLLiAn

 

thanks

 

-Michael P

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_005F_01CD1958.6DE2A9C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 13:07:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A6C5183463; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:07:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=KHVPIE3GqQcxpj6XvxbGIZWh229CkBCfcUqXY/LrRpw=; b=jseFpxHGNI5qsqRqMskfC+18dWJ0YBThyMV8XuBOD+6Qq+DEaFoc3DG3fsGZ5w9eOO g3YJIFnJVln0e51o56cUp0ZwzSrtQ2o6WhFguMEN7DfbO9apA5Iiv/vG4mjT6sLpA5yb IqGkaDyq0M8DzoZoWxTDZm1bCUnmTY0VuDfDAOZehUZ+hB4JpJCDNO6U4bY+IVJDRL1i P+BJ3A4POLdI6DCH+Ox7oGPN/KRPSu+I/qIOyCZPTLUWtzQp3XFvwurdvdY9onZM2X5A +OohJyVR3Ft432SErZzKe+j+FzuZV9N+QPO/k+/A7w3KQmYiIAIB7JinGxYqEvh2H65c wzUg== References: <005e01cd1947$aa59d9c0$ff0d8d40$@de> In-Reply-To: <005e01cd1947$aa59d9c0$ff0d8d40$@de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-A67667B7-2829-42EF-95A4-B4B84DDB6F56 Message-Id: <70C53A86-65E3-45BA-92CF-A982128CA1C2@gmail.com> Cc: "" X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B176) From: Jim Goodin Subject: Re: 11 minute looping piece @ 11:11 on 11/11/11 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:07:01 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:07:05 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-A67667B7-2829-42EF-95A4-B4B84DDB6F56 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Michael thanks for manning the helm on this and Rick thanks for putting the i= dea out there. Jim Get Tips Across the Waters for your iDevice, http://iTunes.apple.com/us/app/= tips-across-the-waters/id474128076?=3Dmt8 On Apr 13, 2012, at 3:33 AM, "Michael Peters" wrote: > I'm currently putting together the Bandcamp album of the 11/11/11 project p= roposed by Rick Walker on October 24, 2011. > =20 > So far I've found submissions by: > =20 > Jim Goodin, Raul Bonell, Mark Francombe, Nat Grant, Leander Reininghaus, L= indsey Walker, Simeon Harris, David Cooper Orton, and Michael Peters. > =20 > Has anyone else created a track for this project? Please send me a lossle= ss audio file. Contact me offlist if you want to upload it to my Dropbox. Yo= u can also use services like wetransfer.com. > =20 > These folks have participated in the discussion about the project, but I h= aven't found their submissions so far: > =20 > BC, Dust Bunnies, Fabio_A, Jean-Paul De Roover, Louie Angulo, Michael Elli= s, Petri Lahtinen, RP Collier, Richard Atkinson, Stefan Tiedje, Sylvain Poit= ras, chaz worm, kkissinger, michael noble, tEd =C2=AE KiLLiAn > =20 > thanks > =20 > -Michael P > =20 > =20 --Apple-Mail-A67667B7-2829-42EF-95A4-B4B84DDB6F56 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Michael thanks for manning= the helm on this and Rick thanks for putting the idea out there.
=

On Apr 13, 2012, at 3:33 AM, "Michael Peters" <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:

I'm currentl= y putting together the Bandcamp album of the 1= 1/11/11 project proposed by Rick Walker on October 24, 2011.

 

So far I've found submissions by:

 

Jim Goodin, Raul Bonell, Mark Francombe, Nat Grant, Leander Reininghaus, Lindsey Walker, S= imeon Harris, David Cooper Orton, and Michael Peters.

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Has anyone else created a track for this proj= ect?  Please send me a lossless= audio file. Contact me offlist if you want to= upload it to my Dropbox. You can also use ser= vices like wetransfer.com.<= /span>

 

These folks have participated in t= he discussion about the project, but I haven't found their submissions so fa= r:

 

BC, Dust Bunnies, Fabio_A, Jean-Paul De Roo= ver, Louie Angulo, Michael Ellis, Petri= Lahtinen, RP Collier, Richard Atkinson, Stefa= n Tiedje, Sylvain Poitras, chaz worm, kkissinger, michael noble, tEd =C2=AE KiLLiAn

 

thanks

 

-Mich= ael P

 

 =

= --Apple-Mail-A67667B7-2829-42EF-95A4-B4B84DDB6F56-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 13:57:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7666183479; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:57:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:importance:x-mailer :x-mimeole; bh=z8hFwEWsFMwNG2Lh/oSkI3TeNlKTszBGRSKAfJr4KHE=; b=fJ5dOhOgspIiBubOoSAB2Ib39o2h7btmbj5KvvwWD3wLjJ6SQFlEQcq0/qJ7+dCWST 1q/+T4hxjJe+/KRgmNi3G/QxTmgzmJwBLK8SGVZioCS3MehbPh3DVewatZndWjx/RlRL aSghG52SuSl24NPRnLpFC/rK4QQXOyGgAqtYrdDLSHiUq+/Nx9RWjlS31tvJOHD6pCE1 zcchx+nXoLW9Vo3F8yC2ZaugOhP3mRp6suu4YuDretqe2QqZgN8LcYX22KqTevelGhB9 byViANgdRawGJHWPauXc4Sg6r4m7+eQwGvBNyHoUkKN9/mDjH2Qzp2wAb/Axfr+s1/6B fCVw== Message-ID: From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <005e01cd1947$aa59d9c0$ff0d8d40$@de> <70C53A86-65E3-45BA-92CF-A982128CA1C2@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <70C53A86-65E3-45BA-92CF-A982128CA1C2@gmail.com> Subject: 3 Laptop Users, Live, Mobius, and Sync Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 07:57:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01CD194B.144F5F00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:57:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CD194B.144F5F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ...need some guidance here. I have a new project with three of us using = laptops and Live. One guy is using his laptop to create all the beats = and rhythms. I am using Live for guitar and looped bass lines, and = another guy is using Live for his keyboard/synth sounds. I am the only = one using Mobius in Live and I want to sync Mobius to the guy playing = the beats on his laptop. What is the best way to to that? =20 We tried taking a MIDI out from his laptop and into mine, and I could = see in my Live that it was receiving something, but I wasn=E2=80=99t = able to get Mobius to sync to it. What is the best way to sync Mobius = in Live to an external sync signal from another computer? ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CD194B.144F5F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
...need some guidance here.  I have a new project with three = of us=20 using laptops and Live.  One guy is using his laptop to create all = the=20 beats and rhythms.  I am using Live for guitar and looped bass = lines, and=20 another guy is using Live for his keyboard/synth sounds.  I am the = only one=20 using Mobius in Live and I want to sync Mobius to the guy playing the = beats on=20 his laptop.  What is the best way to to that? 
 
We tried taking a MIDI out from his laptop and into mine, and I = could see=20 in my Live that it was receiving something, but I wasn=E2=80=99t able to = get Mobius to=20 sync to it.   What is the best way to sync Mobius in Live to = an=20 external sync signal from another computer?  =20
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CD194B.144F5F00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 14:35:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD945183478; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:35:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1ETdxQq1DsTeReZIU21xRcbSe+LmVJ1gDhz5z5dgfxk=; b=0gaZPyRILvq/R15XJr5GxGZJ4XuunYsPtWLIwhLnrLhE0m6c1OgWBn+Mq9a2m/103b GRWMJAcQjTRhQJMqRVsa5IQMw6D7wKXHGQfdPvLCaOnWqdo9ChxaX+VJVQFEnLnT6Ipu c2ftiOECL/mYYqijaKmryC7pX6QXf+H3RpRqyTq6ycfUa5IYuD5f8MA07dm/oTJnRFxn Q3rjcnfN0Q8lRO4dB1oD+amHagPhQcngUb7OAmfzNIcuOVK2oDkyVE9n31wOqRgJiBE0 R4H73+3y7S99kiv7xnK7FSYsobS2oxoPMiZcmn3zLEwioH2JDL001mbj9jAUAEbJOZ5x 2q1Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <005e01cd1947$aa59d9c0$ff0d8d40$@de> <70C53A86-65E3-45BA-92CF-A982128CA1C2@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:35:00 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 Laptop Users, Live, Mobius, and Sync From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:35:02 +0000 (UTC) sync live to the other computer (hit EXT, top right) and then select "host sync" in mobius On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > What is the best way to sync Mobius in Live to an external > sync signal from another computer? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 14:47:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80F58183489; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:47:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZwKQBLctaqUueskyR5Gv7mRKHBcOoQfbYrwM1GetTRg=; b=vbyzYNGbyVncd9oYTxDhyOons5YgRoHWwbhm3/sDox0AYSiOzUbTAUf56jteNUzba2 Ip5/tnoG58sovLN/h24Xg5lRg8yAb93IFp0IA+G5EQGQreSdO0FaWwpRlaXg1ePMuGyU 0sGgM3KdpQTdyYw71RG5LOiMiJmGj9sSF39qX7jJkTdpJdfdrNbBl9PqWcr9hgHrbyNs +pSYwwZM3JTHqEYp/fTID5wP/ahNgTF8lUNFYG4/ZH2suEueQQ4xwi0swzXCa4X8Gvif 5+dWKUyHNaHy3WoLw2hQInDLBE1UqN7MpYiOPAF2ei/i224uuF5j7P29ph+Ku2kDQuFS UIMQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <005e01cd1947$aa59d9c0$ff0d8d40$@de> <70C53A86-65E3-45BA-92CF-A982128CA1C2@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:47:52 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 Laptop Users, Live, Mobius, and Sync From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:47:53 +0000 (UTC) Run all three laptops in sync. Either slaving to a global clock or deciding on one of them to be the master and the rest slaves. Run Mobius as host synced plugin. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Kris Hartung w= rote: > ...need some guidance here.=C2=A0 I have a new project with three of us u= sing > laptops and Live.=C2=A0 One guy is using his laptop to create all the bea= ts and > rhythms.=C2=A0 I am using Live for guitar and looped bass lines, and anot= her guy > is using Live for his keyboard/synth sounds.=C2=A0 I am the only one usin= g Mobius > in Live and I want to sync Mobius to the guy playing the beats on his > laptop.=C2=A0 What is the best way to to that? > > We tried taking a MIDI out from his laptop and into mine, and I could see= in > my Live that it was receiving something, but I wasn=E2=80=99t able to get= Mobius to > sync to it.=C2=A0=C2=A0 What is the best way to sync Mobius in Live to an= external > sync signal from another computer? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 16:21:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B634C183477; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:21:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BigFish: PS-1(zz9371Izz1202hzz8275bhz2fh2a8h668h839h944hd25h) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.234.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:SN2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail95-tx2: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.234.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.234.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=SN2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: Mobius Mystery part 2 Thread-Topic: Mobius Mystery part 2 Thread-Index: AQHNGG8hoGbwH0CleUa7Iz0YSW39w5aW0AsAgAAYwICAAIcngIAABWKAgAC9ugCAALtkKw== Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:21:01 +0000 Message-ID: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEE9A6@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <7AE04C4C-583B-48E1-BCF3-06EB1CB81DB4@gmail.com> <4F870E9D.6090505@tiscali.co.uk> , In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [70.113.124.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:21:10 +0000 (UTC) I ran a few tests on Windows and Mac, and I'm able to get Note On and Note = Off through Live to Mobius.=0A= The tests were done with a little Korg nanoKey but that shouldn't make a di= fference, the important thing is that you need to make sure that the FCB 10= 10 is sending both Note On and Note Off and nothing else. The FCB can some= times send extra MIDI program changes along with the note events if you don= 't disable that when you program the note. To verify this use MIDI Monitor= on Mac or MIDI-OX on Windows and make sure that you're only getting Note o= n/off from the device.=0A= =0A= Next I brought up Live, 1 audio track, 1, midi track, went to "MIDI Sync" t= ab in Live's preferences and made sure that for the nanoKey the "On" button= under the Track column was lit, the Sync and Remote buttons should be Off.= =0A= =0A= Then I dropped Mobius 2 into the audio track. In the Mobius MIDI Devices w= indow make sure there is nothing selected in the Plugin Input Devices panel= . In the MIDI track, the "MIDI From" button reads "All Ins" and=0A= "All Channels" under "Monitor" click the "In" button so it is lit, under "= MIDI To" select "1-Audio".=0A= =0A= Go back to the Mobius window and open the MIDI Control dialog. I added a b= inding for the Record function and used MIDI capture to detect the first ke= y on the nanoKey. Close the MIDI Control dialog, and press the key. Recor= ding starts. Press key again, recording stops.=0A= =0A= On Windows I was using Live 8.1.1 on OS X I was using an older trial versio= n of 7.0.12. =0A= =0A= Jeff=0A= =0A= =0A= ________________________________________=0A= From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [billowhead@gmail.com]=0A= Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 11:57 PM=0A= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A= Subject: Re: Mobius Mystery part 2=0A= =0A= Well, this is getting embarrassing but I will press on to ask again anyway.= =0A= =0A= I can get the midi to work running Mobius as a stand alone. Record=0A= starts recording and plays as expected when stopped.=0A= =0A= But when I go into Live, the recording always does that 1 second and=0A= reset thing. I thought I tried all the things suggested (and I do=0A= have it set up as described below) but I can't figure out what is=0A= going on. Anyone want to take pity on a simpleton and walk me through=0A= the steps of configuring Live and Mobius to play nicely together. I=0A= feel like I'm missing something obvious but don't know how to track it=0A= down. I guess its fair to say I know enough to cause trouble but=0A= don't really quite understand exactly what I'm doing.=0A= =0A= I'd be happy to read a manual but I can't even seem to find the=0A= solution to the problem I'm facing in the manual or forums (though=0A= Jeff's manual does mention the long press reset problem but seems to=0A= assume I would then know how to solve that issue).=0A= =0A= Round three anyone?=0A= =0A= Kevin=0A= =0A= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 16:50:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06D56183486; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:50:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=w06luKan7djdRtF/cxedA7QIltb5FPF5QQFHy9GTgYs=; b=BLtWclznUfVDSMp2r/JWFmBCLItBsYKhS8tVEK9I4CIN4v1YKpnmJlK3c0b9CI1j/j tY+uq2jDRJEAy87tu2ZvTYYYliHjUcvMRqc8PAQDeXQQKh4MSqPF47iw/5ANOJhXIDVx eyr70ndYGJ8bkoAJWtPknZLRoYhTaOcMN6IYPazM5AkJcNPd2q/iLO5bw1qb+YXXQcZo cvCMkAm87GR7Gz9MUOvpI6FdBj5TivzM2iBNxx1XlkkepWHTTukaklhVo1uPR63thuxY JV05hsNPsv2/lhJAss21+PJmRUK8HVCQAZvtPahNb/bbihanrQyY6+iEGRt3DfSGCBGH BgDA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:50:51 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: 4:20 LOOP CHALLENGE! :) From: Monzelle Dozier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444edd376609904bd924641 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:50:52 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0444edd376609904bd924641 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You have to love the connectivity of the Internet, and it as a viral tool... Can LOOPER's create a viral statement? Was thinking with a collective of mad loop geniuses, that I'd like to challenge anyone to compose/perform/free-style a 4:20 piece on Cannabis Hemp, and how it can either SAVE the planet or DESTROY it, and/or shades of grey in-between. Doesn't need to be a conventional, just needs to bring Cannabis Hemp into the 2012 Political/Public conscience. I challenge my fellow LOOP bredrens & sistren to opening up the dialogue of Cannabis Hemp, by edutaining people on your perspective of the plant... the simplest theme: LET'S TALK ABOUT IT (Cannabis Hemp that is) I am currently working with Jack Herer's 2012 Initiative (www.CCHHI2012.org ) to Legalize Cannabis Hemp for use industrially, medically and spiritually here in California, a step I believe to be pivotal to promoting/achieving self-sustainability in local regions worldwide. We have missed the April 19th deadline to get it on the 2012 ballot, but have until June 4th to raise the funds/signatures needed for a presence on the 2014 ballot and a very relevant spot in the 2012 US Presidential election. I believe the leaves are for the healing of nations, and that the stone the builder(s) refused could be a seed that is the cornerstone to a global transformation/2nd Earth. Would love to get as many musicians/philosophers/activists as possible to get active in expressing themselves to the world about TRUTHS that unite. I find this plant to be one truth that can set us all free, and I'd like to challenge those to say what's on their mind about it. Who knows? It could go viral, and we need it to... Not sure how to go about making a challenge like this work, but uh... IT'S ON!!! :D ;) :/ .... :| ;D LET'S TALK ABOUT IT! Deadline: 4/20/12 Time: 2:40 or 4:20 Format: Youtube Video --f46d0444edd376609904bd924641 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 You have to love the connectivity of the Internet, and it as a viral tool... Can LOOPER's create a viral statement? Was thinking with a collective of mad loop geniuses, that I'd like to challenge anyone to compose/perform/free-style a 4:20 piece on Cannabis Hemp, and how it can either SAVE the planet or DESTROY it, and/or shades of grey in-between. Doesn't need to be a conventional, just needs to bring Cannabis Hemp into the 2012 Political/Public conscience. I challenge my fellow LOOP bredrens & sistren to opening up the dialogue of Cannabis Hemp, by edutaining people on your perspective of the plant... the simplest theme: LET'S TALK ABOUT IT (Cannabis Hemp that is) I am currently working with Jack Herer's 2012 Initiative (www.CCHHI2012.org) to Legalize Cannabis Hemp for use industrially, medically and spiritually here in California, a step I believe to be pivotal to promoting/achieving self-sustainability in local regions worldwide. We have missed the April 19th deadline to get it on the 2012 ballot, but have until June 4th to raise the funds/signatures needed for a presence on the 2014 ballot and a very relevant spot in the 2012 US Presidential election. I believe the leaves are for the healing of nations, and that the stone the builder(s) refused could be a seed that is the cornerstone to a global transformation/2nd Earth. Would love to get as many musicians/philosophers/activists as possible to get active in expressing themselves to the world about TRUTHS that unite. I find this plant to be one truth that can set us all free, and I'd like to challenge those to say what's on their mind about it. Who knows? It could go viral, and we need it to... Not sure how to go about making a challenge like this work, but uh... IT'S ON!!! :D ;) :/ .... :| ;D LET'S TALK ABOUT IT!

Deadline: 4/20/12

Time: 2:40 or 4:20

Format: Youtube Video
--f46d0444edd376609904bd924641-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 16:54:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D9B0183477; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:54:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 901 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:54:51 UTC X-BigFish: PS-1(zz9371Ic85ehzz1202hzz8275bhz2fh2a8h668h839hd25h) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.234.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:SN2PRD0410HT003.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail43-db3: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.234.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.234.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=SN2PRD0410HT003.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: 3 Laptop Users, Live, Mobius, and Sync Thread-Topic: 3 Laptop Users, Live, Mobius, and Sync Thread-Index: AQHNGX1kHSp3wmMnHU2xmLpCJh5JaJaY8Y+/ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:39:34 +0000 Message-ID: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEF9EE@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <005e01cd1947$aa59d9c0$ff0d8d40$@de> <70C53A86-65E3-45BA-92CF-A982128CA1C2@gmail.com>, In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [70.113.124.99] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEF9EESN2PRD0410MB360_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:54:52 +0000 (UTC) --_000_3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEF9EESN2PRD0410MB360_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There are two choices. If you have effects plugins besides Mobius that you= want to sync to the master MIDI clock, then do as Per and Simeon suggest a= nd have Live sync to the MIDI clock, and configure Mobius to use Sync Mode= =3DHost Beat or Host Bar. You will need to have the Live transport running= for this to work. The other option is to have Mobius open the MIDI input device and receive c= locks directly. In recent emails I've been saying this is dangerous, and i= t can be, but it's relatively safe in Live as long as you make Live not ope= n the same device. In Live's MIDI Sync preferences for the row containing = the MIDI device make sure the Track, Sync, and Remote buttons are all Off. = Then in Mobius open the MIDI Devices window and select the device in the "Plugin Input Devices" panel. Configure Mobius to use Sy= nc Mode MIDI Beat or MIDI Bar. The advantage of going direct to the MIDI device is that the clocks won't p= ass through Live and you won't be dependent on how well Live tracks the clo= cks. This may work fine, but I've never tried it. The disadvantage of goin= g direct is that Live won't be receiving the clocks so any temp0 sync'd eff= ects like panners or tremolo won't follow the master tempo. Jeff ________________________________ From: Kris Hartung [krispen.hartung@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 8:57 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 3 Laptop Users, Live, Mobius, and Sync ...need some guidance here. I have a new project with three of us using la= ptops and Live. One guy is using his laptop to create all the beats and rh= ythms. I am using Live for guitar and looped bass lines, and another guy i= s using Live for his keyboard/synth sounds. I am the only one using Mobius= in Live and I want to sync Mobius to the guy playing the beats on his lapt= op. What is the best way to to that? We tried taking a MIDI out from his laptop and into mine, and I could see i= n my Live that it was receiving something, but I wasn=92t able to get Mobiu= s to sync to it. What is the best way to sync Mobius in Live to an extern= al sync signal from another computer? --_000_3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEF9EESN2PRD0410MB360_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

There are two choices.  If you have effects plugins besides Mobiu= s that you want to sync to the master MIDI clock, then do as Per and Simeon= suggest and have Live sync to the MIDI clock, and configure Mobius to use = Sync Mode=3DHost Beat or Host Bar.  You will need to have the Live transport running for this to work.

The other option is to have Mobius open the MIDI input device and rece= ive clocks directly.  In recent emails I've been saying this is danger= ous, and it can be, but it's relatively safe in Live as long as you make Li= ve not open the same device.  In Live's MIDI Sync preferences for the row containing the MIDI device make sure the= Track, Sync, and Remote buttons are all Off.  Then in Mobius open the= MIDI Devices window and select
the device in the "Plugin Input Devices" panel.  Config= ure Mobius to use Sync Mode MIDI Beat or MIDI Bar.

The advantage of going direct to the MIDI device is that the clocks wo= n't pass through Live and you won't be dependent on how well Live tracks th= e clocks.  This may work fine, but I've never tried it. The disad= vantage of going direct is that Live won't be receiving the clocks so any temp0 sync'd effects like panners or tremol= o won't follow the master tempo.

Jeff



From: Kris Hartung [krispen.hartung@gmai= l.com]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 8:57 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: 3 Laptop Users, Live, Mobius, and Sync

...need some guidance here.  I have a new project with three of u= s using laptops and Live.  One guy is using his laptop to create all t= he beats and rhythms.  I am using Live for guitar and looped bass line= s, and another guy is using Live for his keyboard/synth sounds.  I am the only one using Mobius in Live and I want to sync Mo= bius to the guy playing the beats on his laptop.  What is the best way= to to that? 
 
We tried taking a MIDI out from his laptop and into mine, and I could = see in my Live that it was receiving something, but I wasn=92t able to get = Mobius to sync to it.   What is the best way to sync Mobius in Li= ve to an external sync signal from another computer?  
--_000_3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEF9EESN2PRD0410MB360_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 17:28:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69386183479; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:28:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=54ELHPlwENupJF3lBGauDU30yyqVvI01uuOf+3okqlo=; b=HI7Xq+Oee7ezqzIAcaHNxKDP4GEAtWKhQoyxGTt3RA0xh2MLIburuq6grpjjMm3hMH yLag4O+MxpCuLTlSSWCmBGTWO0QlKD4CNpQGOJMHH1z4vKMDWyWUgZRd6IGpPZ/D9WL6 tY+n84LPEnZ52IXRtBqQJT1pyHxzid5Jh+/RTseqrXJdai2Ta01+xfpXkxI2N6dRXnVl DywAO13hlbFOS/daoc/9v0JENoYOI95V6HumUBdjgYGdvmflnfqE3cx15BD2Gs3F2YnN ZumHKE3cuJgV708q3MY7EdsIKIs2ziKsjXDYGajmA+pEukKPAPx2ZVMndAJYgLxsIyqW +kQQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEE9A6@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <7AE04C4C-583B-48E1-BCF3-06EB1CB81DB4@gmail.com> <4F870E9D.6090505@tiscali.co.uk> <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEE9A6@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:28:10 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius Mystery part 2 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:28:11 +0000 (UTC) A quick comment related Jeff's mentioning of the FCB sending out MIDI PC messages it is not programmed to send out. I have owned three FCB's and each of them sent out random bursts of MIDI CC# data now and then in addition to the MIDI Notes it was programmed to send out. Not thinking that this phenomenon can cause the issue Kevin suffers though, just wanted to complete the picture of The FCB's Peculiarities. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Jeff Larson wr= ote: > I ran a few tests on Windows and Mac, and I'm able to get Note On and Not= e Off through Live to Mobius. > The tests were done with a little Korg nanoKey but that shouldn't make a = difference, the important thing is that you need to make sure that the FCB = 1010 is sending both Note On and Note Off and nothing else. =C2=A0The FCB c= an sometimes send extra MIDI program changes along with the note events if = you don't disable that when you program the note. =C2=A0To verify this use = MIDI Monitor on Mac or MIDI-OX on Windows and make sure that you're only ge= tting Note on/off from the device. > > Next I brought up Live, 1 audio track, 1, midi track, went to "MIDI Sync"= tab in Live's preferences and made sure that for the nanoKey the "On" butt= on under the Track column was lit, the Sync and Remote buttons should be Of= f. > > Then I dropped Mobius 2 into the audio track. =C2=A0In the Mobius MIDI De= vices window make sure there is nothing selected in the Plugin Input Device= s panel. =C2=A0In the MIDI track, the "MIDI From" button reads "All Ins" an= d > "All Channels" under "Monitor" click the "In" button =C2=A0so it is lit, = under "MIDI To" select "1-Audio". > > Go back to the Mobius window and open the MIDI Control dialog. =C2=A0I ad= ded a binding for the Record function and used MIDI capture to detect the f= irst key on the nanoKey. =C2=A0Close the MIDI Control dialog, and press the= key. =C2=A0Recording starts. =C2=A0Press key again, recording stops. > > On Windows I was using Live 8.1.1 on OS X I was using an older trial vers= ion of 7.0.12. > > Jeff > > > ________________________________________ > From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [billowhead@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 11:57 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Mobius Mystery part 2 > > Well, this is getting embarrassing but I will press on to ask again anywa= y. > > I can get the midi to work running Mobius as a stand alone. =C2=A0Record > starts recording and plays as expected when stopped. > > But when I go into Live, the recording always does that 1 second and > reset thing. =C2=A0I thought I tried all the things suggested (and I do > have it set up as described below) but I can't figure out what is > going on. =C2=A0Anyone want to take pity on a simpleton and walk me throu= gh > the steps of configuring Live and Mobius to play nicely together. =C2=A0I > feel like I'm missing something obvious but don't know how to track it > down. =C2=A0I guess its fair to say I know enough to cause trouble but > don't really quite understand exactly what I'm doing. > > I'd be happy to read a manual but I can't even seem to find the > solution to the problem I'm facing in the manual or forums (though > Jeff's manual does mention the long press reset problem but seems to > assume I would then know how to solve that issue). > > Round three anyone? > > Kevin > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 17:36:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D03AE183477; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:36:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EG1N/oIUHGAh4a17v2C9DUOpdPwoINL3kmBUnSM0V4s=; b=eciKTnYUdmmX80t+SXv04d23ald5rmQq92Lb4y8/ctmojpoariLyH6eF8tIz8OIYNk SPtvG6j2hhK3KCzYKtjG+qOvw5AWSsmvjCHjuEdPo6P2RhC6lvklWHROsdGDKPDDIODU Xyl69uAyXMysvjZ8wZby5zyI854+6qf9jU4LTONPBcg2hBZftilnmzNB24wGAC0Y4UL4 yajjGIyNWyFWMAOWIx0ZyG7/CXKsmXdQOmyDnDMWvGeEQJ65myd0qzysCEDYXIpm2E0C dpEuYXVt0AGYR+lYIbt6NH2L4xwP+4QHCU3fKJC7R9G1wUiVRYu0FcZ6i+43no/3/M6X Cavg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <7AE04C4C-583B-48E1-BCF3-06EB1CB81DB4@gmail.com> <4F870E9D.6090505@tiscali.co.uk> <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEE9A6@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:32:46 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius Mystery part 2 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:36:35 +0000 (UTC) Well I have noticed that I get the occasional portamento cc sent after the notes but I wasn't sure if that was the Rotary controller or the FCB. I can't confirm things since I'm not in front of the computer I'm using for this, but I believe I tried changing to PC messages instead and I got no response at all from Mobius in Live. I am trying to be diligent in my testing before I send these messages at least :-) Thanks for the ongoing help, I'm convinced this is going to open a whole new vista of musical possibilities once I get this up and running. Kevin On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > A quick comment related Jeff's mentioning of the FCB sending out MIDI > PC messages it is not programmed to send out. I have owned three FCB's > and each of them sent out random bursts of MIDI CC# data now and then > in addition to the MIDI Notes it was programmed to send out. Not > thinking that this phenomenon can cause the issue Kevin suffers > though, just wanted to complete =A0the picture of The FCB's > Peculiarities. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Jeff Larson = wrote: >> I ran a few tests on Windows and Mac, and I'm able to get Note On and No= te Off through Live to Mobius. >> The tests were done with a little Korg nanoKey but that shouldn't make a= difference, the important thing is that you need to make sure that the FCB= 1010 is sending both Note On and Note Off and nothing else. =A0The FCB can= sometimes send extra MIDI program changes along with the note events if yo= u don't disable that when you program the note. =A0To verify this use MIDI = Monitor on Mac or MIDI-OX on Windows and make sure that you're only getting= Note on/off from the device. >> >> Next I brought up Live, 1 audio track, 1, midi track, went to "MIDI Sync= " tab in Live's preferences and made sure that for the nanoKey the "On" but= ton under the Track column was lit, the Sync and Remote buttons should be O= ff. >> >> Then I dropped Mobius 2 into the audio track. =A0In the Mobius MIDI Devi= ces window make sure there is nothing selected in the Plugin Input Devices = panel. =A0In the MIDI track, the "MIDI From" button reads "All Ins" and >> "All Channels" under "Monitor" click the "In" button =A0so it is lit, un= der "MIDI To" select "1-Audio". >> >> Go back to the Mobius window and open the MIDI Control dialog. =A0I adde= d a binding for the Record function and used MIDI capture to detect the fir= st key on the nanoKey. =A0Close the MIDI Control dialog, and press the key.= =A0Recording starts. =A0Press key again, recording stops. >> >> On Windows I was using Live 8.1.1 on OS X I was using an older trial ver= sion of 7.0.12. >> >> Jeff >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [billowhead@gmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 11:57 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Mobius Mystery part 2 >> >> Well, this is getting embarrassing but I will press on to ask again anyw= ay. >> >> I can get the midi to work running Mobius as a stand alone. =A0Record >> starts recording and plays as expected when stopped. >> >> But when I go into Live, the recording always does that 1 second and >> reset thing. =A0I thought I tried all the things suggested (and I do >> have it set up as described below) but I can't figure out what is >> going on. =A0Anyone want to take pity on a simpleton and walk me through >> the steps of configuring Live and Mobius to play nicely together. =A0I >> feel like I'm missing something obvious but don't know how to track it >> down. =A0I guess its fair to say I know enough to cause trouble but >> don't really quite understand exactly what I'm doing. >> >> I'd be happy to read a manual but I can't even seem to find the >> solution to the problem I'm facing in the manual or forums (though >> Jeff's manual does mention the long press reset problem but seems to >> assume I would then know how to solve that issue). >> >> Round three anyone? >> >> Kevin >> >> > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 17:42:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A57D9183477; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:42:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; bh=0vKw1qSB5vVypov3Y1mPkPTxO4LW3X+qmNjh27jbGa8=; b=cpXWO3UDskYg4p2gH3aFqLUJf5Ea7IrDriTp9RtRqjciCvDt4PBbw6Bsze1t6hYvCx e15AMMQNGMM9uPojBuDktal9Brva3KqELWbRIH8N5lxcKikXlBOO3SPa8d66H5xZIygd fSf3AwKrBAhMKOTeBFKx0S0yQPJx7Yp2r1uPUkQrd/BRdceHg3TYpSm5ESwOwLwPxqvh hXv+hP5d9M6PA+I+STB9xN8eQR2j23daZMcadr0FLF55k/4dvVRBsO8YqtLTVkc5r4Bo q/lpjsSYUWsAoN5Jn1G4qKKSDWmNngCBGJWQ9hK6GRnl4O6p4TUyvWpPVhKSNibpEkHf PZAQ== Message-Id: From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--450518214 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Mobius Mystery part 2 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:42:47 -0700 References: <7AE04C4C-583B-48E1-BCF3-06EB1CB81DB4@gmail.com> <4F870E9D.6090505@tiscali.co.uk> <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEE9A6@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <6MYzE.A.ZEF.cWGiPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:42:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--450518214 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Apr 13, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > each of them sent out random bursts of MIDI CC# data now I think there is some sort of tap tempo issue too, maybe mentioned in the manual. I believe the UNO chip is supposed to help with that among other things. BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j http://rpcollier.bandcamp.com/album/platz --Apple-Mail-1--450518214 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Apr 13, 2012, = at 10:28 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

each of them = sent out random bursts of MIDI CC# data = now


I think there is some sort of = tap tempo issue too, maybe mentioned in the manual.
I believe = the UNO chip is supposed to help with that among other = things.



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= --Apple-Mail-1--450518214-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 17:43:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16A0B183464; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:43:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=BQ2MNp+aPZSxB251mbqigqzQpgj99bPq1yWXeNq5HYQ=; b=hsKZvAImbZD3J6EXp2Vpq9zux5+4MW6kEYn1tMFk5JX5Y0vU5Xi2hoG6aw4yziggkw TXoQMCyJTnskq6xO67w6AKoOPEYJpfu3izffHGvSbwLtRyCAJSZb60p9KtB/glROYTQh 2XvAtJPbSRRddWzz0z1OVZOr/3pD6NGdlmDMcW5zb5bg+I7dlvMX6zmXv5chorOxPYEX jY1iNdQbKaCLG/13ju2p07O2pQQeKxCgIOxvLaxK7IHa1L1VNEV4Y/x+1QEZ8Ij6sgJI fi9iWWZiS29mLMO5MlzmSy5rxdpj7GcezvTQji9BoERTnkAQQ469khMRezALGpadbqT4 tVXA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <7AE04C4C-583B-48E1-BCF3-06EB1CB81DB4@gmail.com> <4F870E9D.6090505@tiscali.co.uk> <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEE9A6@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 18:43:54 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius Mystery part 2 From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <_6UoDB.A.zLF.bXGiPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:43:56 +0000 (UTC) interesting. perhaps you could try letting mobius access the incoming midi data directly. it's always worked for me. make sure you're not sending any midi info from live to mobius, so make sure you haven't got a midi track sending anything to the audio track that mobius is in open the mobius plugin and goto config > midi devices on the right side you'll see plugin devices - in the top input box, select the FCB, or whatever the FCB is plugged into now mobius should respond as if it was running standalone. as for the pc message - make sure it's mapped to record sim On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > I can't confirm things since I'm not in front of the computer I'm > using for this, but I believe I tried changing to PC messages instead > and I got no response at all from Mobius in Live. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 18:53:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02391183478; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 18:53:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 491 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 18:53:35 UTC Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0420410370==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120413184508.4232.96233.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:45:09 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: OT: an error in loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 18:53:35 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0420410370== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello.=20I've=20been=20trying=20to=20contact=20the=20administrators=20in=20= private,=20but=20I=20haven't=20found=20them=20 yet.=20But=20I=20would=20like=20to=20make=20you=20aware=20of=20an=20error= =20on=20loopers-delight.com,=20the=20site=20that=20this=20 discussion=20board=20is=20part=20of.=20On=20the=20home=20page,=20there=20is= =20a=20link=20called=20"file=20library."=20There=20is=20a=20 server=20error=20on=20the=20link. http://www.loopers-delight.com/files Tyler=20Z --===============0420410370==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 19:38:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAC42183478; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:38:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=/1yp6POi63XgKBtWmjz3bShk654o2VEMwoI7b66v4Ys=; b=Jhy8zAMxdT7YZqBgr5RKdPSg2aLKefZEyandKpa+G9WealNNF/u0vM5rlqugy0HVHX gIrPhajDmXgn5FocsKp5H2r1rXsncttX88f9B/f6J0dzqeJlWJtrudurqBoF9hriIxZQ eU4bJGQXnOpBvFVZV2U0PITubY4hbmvVzeV58HEw/+Hg1/OhDXZzGYxzbXl9RhW6aZgq Tbr2o+QzA49myWrWE/P34SNObeRszaAlNx8aBI30Ckq6y2q051hDy8uB1y0j5TBDMqLg pcfW9o63jKPABAORM5rfqpGKT0UrO1CU3Bt62KDQwRTpiOabdGEcYnRZa1mKkb7lXJfh bo8Q== Message-ID: <08486EF8BAA94361A187BCE26229A174@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <005e01cd1947$aa59d9c0$ff0d8d40$@de><70C53A86-65E3-45BA-92CF-A982128CA1C2@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: 3 Laptop Users, Live, Mobius, and Sync Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:38:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:38:17 +0000 (UTC) Ha hah. I think that little EXT button is what I forgot. :) Will give it a try now. -----Original Message----- sync live to the other computer (hit EXT, top right) and then select "host sync" in mobius On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > What is the best way to sync Mobius in Live to an external > sync signal from another computer? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 19:43:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13330183478; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:43:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=J72ry3P3KTx7wl+oOgts+NcFbM1iiPxQ+r/3pCdSo5s=; b=mI1Du+OzyKoJmK3OjsV7VDr1CJWg9IkGEQX8eEYtUUjTaIc6CiAMYKTu8O34uphEG/ RYsRxIw9IZ29b+ieAivjRXnFIM6fIoAq4k+VtmW/Wv43IxJaT6Sv13Z87G00KtgQhKw1 n6OXVfagXyAbs075Tw75I+Ixvr5tHKi1hiyw2ETMklTZXMb8jGxSz7In4SgwwzIHZ0lR fzmcdI4ajN9YxlRLJ4u5pT101WwkOi32pjLeZl6ct8q+57dDSd88yYSBCuWUPVZb/MI2 he8XUW0VsT68HgC0tTuTpGtzNX/kkGZx5gzRMkGchtJOa4DJoDUPbbYMIzytwZOYHGAZ gRUA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <08486EF8BAA94361A187BCE26229A174@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <005e01cd1947$aa59d9c0$ff0d8d40$@de> <70C53A86-65E3-45BA-92CF-A982128CA1C2@gmail.com> <08486EF8BAA94361A187BCE26229A174@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 21:43:34 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 Laptop Users, Live, Mobius, and Sync From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <2gaMW.A.maG.mHIiPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:43:34 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Kris Hartung w= rote: > Ha hah. I think that little EXT button is what I forgot. =C2=A0 =C2=A0:) > Will give it a try now. DON'T!!!! That button is for EXTRATERRESTIALS! Per :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 20:20:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FD20183477; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 20:20:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 347167.97382.bm@omp1033.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1334348405; bh=lntL4P1YHDKm487pGl3xiBPycQpDP9+1e2ktLYYkUsk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IEOfyRaF2I51IXbu/BqlHv+aF9X+g218vxOfFfPjjAKrLDD1fz2VCkwNbTEH/qQ0KdjioQSsruhfOZ5PB/Z/D2SQNqHwvSBow+XgzDFJc1oi0jRJWbJFSCYnVJsv6CGyqTlCBHI80NhY7f0JmPgG6UdOwnK/nq37WDQ+1lDclX4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=zGXKTXmEpmQi43XDMpHZPJqc58p0rP6tPr5kFzHr9TjnDRuuwNlttme5p5M4AcuIaTkqjaDU89LCKJNclQ/Dbs4Yyo3+mVSCAgn2jBK1EpAX9cc7yOSQqxZvF/OCAL+juiwVYoCTyXUozkATBYAa/jC7EnxUJfmRYOSwSCSuLKY=; X-YMail-OSG: 75qQuw8VM1mN1m3HXfJ7V23w0lVWALBYq8agX2YTRrlpq4t PpD0nQId_5WJmSgdCfzKkXGJCXLHH2zwhGslAiwG04pGw_ypvAKcAmWLpX0a H61fa9EwEksPDDJpKb0.kbQ_xHsqwV7yGvd0ktkv1G83FcJtpUxh30kmLb_v NCwyucQqhmr0secdJBdsBWzgRWJnByAtyHT6HgK_gh6b_HgKyPO5fk39XsU7 1YM8OIMF3Bxiep0bL00ESk6OMJRnvFjOxYfpd4j19Y2Y9kSHaf_hZNDZRlbg eYRVHYj6HC.fxzX.IQERU79BkM3jSeN.1fIb8Oz6yTYmf20Ue5iizbjaaBmZ h48d5YfvgpSojSMEajjCROCXtWVGI15Ylls4bCR1trxr6RdMj3BIu0BU4iJu 41bgY2WqZFGyuAKz0CWnhrIalT6QUjBl1PHnZVYanTaE4KBJNU7n77tFvDYq 8gsL6r_v6da1yz6PB.YYKkwh3t6sENsEe01uTxqpyEc8q4O2ZLIVuFf6qOn6 6V5N6vIdqDgKDQmUEOygJq98sCKL7HoFMeS.7_nsvTRIboQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: Message-ID: <1334348405.78112.YahooMailNeo@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:20:05 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: 4:20 LOOP CHALLENGE! :) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-3126525-1048440327-1334348405=:78112" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 20:20:07 +0000 (UTC) ---3126525-1048440327-1334348405=:78112 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You might want to mention George H. W. Bush. During WWII his airplane engine was lubricated with hemp oil. When he was shot down, the parachute that saved him was made with hemp fiber cords. The raft he floated in was woven hemp with a rubberized coating. Rig ________________________________ From: Monzelle Dozier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 9:50 AM Subject: 4:20 LOOP CHALLENGE! :) You have to love the connectivity of the Internet, and it as a viral tool... Can LOOPER's create a viral statement? Was thinking with a collective of mad loop geniuses, that I'd like to challenge anyone to compose/perform/free-style a 4:20 piece on Cannabis Hemp, and how it can either SAVE the planet or DESTROY it, and/or shades of grey in-between. Doesn't need to be a conventional, just needs to bring Cannabis Hemp into the 2012 Political/Public conscience. I challenge my fellow LOOP bredrens & sistren to opening up the dialogue of Cannabis Hemp, by edutaining people on your perspective of the plant... the simplest theme: LET'S TALK ABOUT IT (Cannabis Hemp that is) I am currently working with Jack Herer's 2012 Initiative (www.CCHHI2012.org) to Legalize Cannabis Hemp for use industrially, medically and spiritually here in California, a step I believe to be pivotal to promoting/achieving self-sustainability in local regions worldwide. We have missed the April 19th deadline to get it on the 2012 ballot, but have until June 4th to raise the funds/signatures needed for a presence on the 2014 ballot and a very relevant spot in the 2012 US Presidential election. I believe the leaves are for the healing of nations, and that the stone the builder(s) refused could be a seed that is the cornerstone to a global transformation/2nd Earth. Would love to get as many musicians/philosophers/activists as possible to get active in expressing themselves to the world about TRUTHS that unite. I find this plant to be one truth that can set us all free, and I'd like to challenge those to say what's on their mind about it. Who knows? It could go viral, and we need it to... Not sure how to go about making a challenge like this work, but uh... IT'S ON!!! :D ;) :/ .... :| ;D LET'S TALK ABOUT IT! Deadline: 4/20/12 Time: 2:40 or 4:20 Format: Youtube Video ---3126525-1048440327-1334348405=:78112 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii You might want to mention George H. W. Bush. During WWII his airplane engine was lubricated with hemp oil. When he was shot down, the parachute that saved him was made with hemp fiber cords. The raft he floated in was woven hemp with a rubberized coating. Rig
From: Monzelle Dozier <monzelledozier@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 9:50 AM
Subject: 4:20 LOOP CHALLENGE! :)

You have to love the connectivity of the Internet, and it as a viral tool... Can LOOPER's create a viral statement? Was thinking with a collective of mad loop geniuses, that I'd like to challenge anyone to compose/perform/free-style a 4:20 piece on Cannabis Hemp, and how it can either SAVE the planet or DESTROY it, and/or shades of grey in-between. Doesn't need to be a conventional, just needs to bring Cannabis Hemp into the 2012 Political/Public conscience. I challenge my fellow LOOP bredrens & sistren to opening up the dialogue of Cannabis Hemp, by edutaining people on your perspective of the plant... the simplest theme: LET'S TALK ABOUT IT (Cannabis Hemp that is) I am currently working with Jack Herer's 2012 Initiative (www.CCHHI2012.org) to Legalize Cannabis Hemp for use industrially, medically and spiritually here in California, a step I believe to be pivotal to promoting/achieving self-sustainability in local regions worldwide. We have missed the April 19th deadline to get it on the 2012 ballot, but have until June 4th to raise the funds/signatures needed for a presence on the 2014 ballot and a very relevant spot in the 2012 US Presidential election. I believe the leaves are for the healing of nations, and that the stone the builder(s) refused could be a seed that is the cornerstone to a global transformation/2nd Earth. Would love to get as many musicians/philosophers/activists as possible to get active in expressing themselves to the world about TRUTHS that unite. I find this plant to be one truth that can set us all free, and I'd like to challenge those to say what's on their mind about it. Who knows? It could go viral, and we need it to... Not sure how to go about making a challenge like this work, but uh... IT'S ON!!! :D ;) :/ .... :| ;D LET'S TALK ABOUT IT!

Deadline: 4/20/12

Time: 2:40 or 4:20

Format: Youtube Video


---3126525-1048440327-1334348405=:78112-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 20:20:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8F83183479; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 20:20:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=8N0WTj8aqf3yN3qzR8Y4hMLpVfChrA4ZjUQ18M4rLyM=; b=H8GV0TiraP/2sxNOjzU8gcXwS0fJE+hgBxsTUPyQ6FwH8+1V9SChXxEbo6Q7yYUtZi Gb3T470Rc54n3MNn/H4bm5zOX/cJfXzsdqdFEr0ZUNojMihd9aRnchW/HLqbMN4GIE1l gcNTvxYiMYCWFJu6gjhc3OQg2ySzALO+mCLvQHvSrqwB4QDjNgtpbhDfJPKTCusXCoDp pOZmM6g18YXNIW4eHgEENpjW7rm8eWaR9xS2aNAiIUVv8CX9ppG23ryUQvv3ftDk8JFH GzVxUApR4PDJZU3uH39491lUmNtEsMlDJ/BdUbKjXXZ6tIWDBROgauuJLgR0aR6grnDC sKMA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:20:58 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 4:20 LOOP CHALLENGE! :) From: Monzelle Dozier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb20228e3a8af04bd95354d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 20:20:59 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8fb20228e3a8af04bd95354d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 FYI. I will be posting my submission this Tuesday. :) On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Monzelle Dozier wrote: > You have to love the connectivity of the Internet, and it as a viral > tool... Can LOOPER's create a viral statement? Was thinking with a > collective of mad loop geniuses, that I'd like to challenge anyone to > compose/perform/free-style a 4:20 piece on Cannabis Hemp, and how it can > either SAVE the planet or DESTROY it, and/or shades of grey in-between. > Doesn't need to be a conventional, just needs to bring Cannabis Hemp into > the 2012 Political/Public conscience. I challenge my fellow LOOP bredrens & > sistren to opening up the dialogue of Cannabis Hemp, by edutaining people > on your perspective of the plant... the simplest theme: LET'S TALK ABOUT IT > (Cannabis Hemp that is) I am currently working with Jack Herer's 2012 > Initiative (www.CCHHI2012.org ) to Legalize > Cannabis Hemp for use industrially, medically and spiritually here in > California, a step I believe to be pivotal to promoting/achieving > self-sustainability in local regions worldwide. We have missed the April > 19th deadline to get it on the 2012 ballot, but have until June 4th to > raise the funds/signatures needed for a presence on the 2014 ballot and a > very relevant spot in the 2012 US Presidential election. I believe the > leaves are for the healing of nations, and that the stone the builder(s) > refused could be a seed that is the cornerstone to a global > transformation/2nd Earth. Would love to get as many > musicians/philosophers/activists as possible to get active in expressing > themselves to the world about TRUTHS that unite. I find this plant to be > one truth that can set us all free, and I'd like to challenge those to say > what's on their mind about it. Who knows? It could go viral, and we need it > to... Not sure how to go about making a challenge like this work, but uh... > IT'S ON!!! :D ;) :/ .... :| ;D LET'S TALK ABOUT IT! > > Deadline: 4/20/12 > > Time: 2:40 or 4:20 > > Format: Youtube Video > --e89a8fb20228e3a8af04bd95354d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FYI. I will be posting my submission this Tuesday. :)

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Monzelle Dozier <monzelledozier@gmail.= com> wrote:
You have to love the connectivity of the Int= ernet, and it as a viral tool... Can LOOPER's create a viral statement?= Was thinking with a collective of mad loop geniuses, that=20 I'd like to challenge anyone to compose/perform/free-style a 4:20 piece= =20 on Cannabis Hemp, and how it can either SAVE the planet or DESTROY it,=20 and/or shades of grey in-between. Doesn't need to be a conventional,=20 just needs to bring Cannabis Hemp into the 2012 Political/Public=20 conscience. I challenge my fellow LOOP bredrens & sistren to opening up the dialogue of Cannabis Hemp, by edutaining people on your=20 perspective of the plant... the simplest theme: LET'S TALK ABOUT IT (Ca= nnabis Hemp that is) I am currently working with Jack Herer's=20 2012 Initiative (ww= w.CCHHI2012.org) to Legalize Cannabis Hemp for use industrially, medically and=20 spiritually here in California, a step I believe to be pivotal to=20 promoting/achieving self-sustainability in local regions worldwide. We have= missed the April 19th deadline to get it on the 2012 ballot, but have until=20 June 4th to raise the funds/signatures needed for a presence on the 2014 ballot and a very relevant spot in the 2012 US Presidential election. I believe the leaves are for the healing of nations, and that the stone=20 the builder(s) refused could be a seed that is the cornerstone to a=20 global transformation/2nd Earth. Would love to get as many=20 musicians/philosophers/activists as possible to get active in=20 expressing themselves to the world about TRUTHS that unite. I find this=20 plant to be one truth that can set us all free, and I'd like to=20 challenge those to say what's on their mind about it. Who knows? It=20 could go viral, and we need it to... Not sure how to go about making a=20 challenge like this work, but uh... IT'S ON!!! :D ;) :/ .... :| ;D LET&= #39;S TALK ABOUT IT!

Deadline: 4/20/12

Time: 2:40 or 4:20
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--e89a8fb20228e3a8af04bd95354d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 20:29:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 209EA183478; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 20:29:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=LSQzEMMuPmnfEUlol7VEE2h8DLyvVNIEm1jQ3ah/Agk=; b=kPmlhqueZhPotqpH5dQvofFofn7jGfFA0FUB57QMWs6riy7E/tE++/ffBl3oIW6UMd F1aEAvPttOFgIFJnPBWyzkZyw3N3HTPwTnwUxqQC1lOcQ1AhtN4bf40Y5smpp9T/fXxN 3nEspGMcb0s2xmnE3pdYtWLj597oSslKEMrZiJaN9+ZkoymMoi9txN7bxlYd518N5CG9 6qmY6siJAbRuUnUwXdSdyKvZUGZ6f8NlEg/ZiUUPO6tHmT88QDagcxtlECSClOmM5VQO eVrnXg+DU3JAeLyOtbP0Q0lfUJlpGULkwPgm/gYewhP7ruIfHfDH/C8C3MMz6/GQyBqB UYyw== Message-ID: <010050F2F4A64AAFA7DC15DA93D235D6@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <005e01cd1947$aa59d9c0$ff0d8d40$@de><70C53A86-65E3-45BA-92CF-A982128CA1C2@gmail.com><08486EF8BAA94361A187BCE26229A174@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: 3 Laptop Users, Live, Mobius, and Sync Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:29:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 20:29:32 +0000 (UTC) ...them I'm definitely going to press it! -----Original Message----- On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Ha hah. I think that little EXT button is what I forgot. :) > Will give it a try now. DON'T!!!! That button is for EXTRATERRESTIALS! Per :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 23:38:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A072183474; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 23:38:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=oQRPS9O05SUFgb1cSa8xVqufSSEm2+/j0+7gSWSR63o=; b=ClaOjFp1zILd9Uj55Mt/TRR4crgBg2igzmoasd1iDkrzNGZwG+w8u0Kq5ZnrIvFw9w sHlBeaxU/harXrZQkYVlQOs+syGa0WPcEmcVPX2/V7Ra1DwOD6SQoB4yHMwBiqMa7tcq ENlovsR8BSiebUQSiBslag4jH8RhiNObARVpWsJVzUZ9cdJLQ2LFyAlrJ0ReOkZAfIAp 30u2HB9Qi2nKftb62Tgq94VxO4b5C9sxDEDgWcEkm72lQlYHS+AehEN1HF61B7DZuuvy XypfIb/ScCoM473zgrTRzSxar8+c772Ozrl+K+5MmffGc4BDec1UwyxwUqLX4bCu+7gZ GUBg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 01:38:02 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: RpTz_BxTnxssdUFVW1oL_dpm5ok Message-ID: Subject: Re: 4:20 LOOP CHALLENGE! :) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f22bb29fb958304bd97f796 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 23:38:25 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f22bb29fb958304bd97f796 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Monzelle Dozier wrote: > LET'S TALK ABOUT IT! On second thoughts, lets not... -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --e89a8f22bb29fb958304bd97f796 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Monzelle Dozier <monzelledozier@gmail.com> wrote:
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--e89a8f22bb29fb958304bd97f796-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 00:09:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F9C6183473; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 00:09:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=nFpXkbcIGdQ8JXmnOYjx4NIe6+xB6sfnfLLcmRMZGwM=; b=uv9Cl9uiR3Ny/gIJsVhQi61VVUS2RFUbiv9mNpDl69btMdcFvuSYeJK5AEa1Eea1pP EFX8WfBVxW4Gxg3lOkTQ/mEwclMLoSGgLYbWKZyrujcCOD0AkhdB9r0LJ3bxeSm8rqYN 19LN+BfDLCLnUPT3GnyFJkL3cQaD7qhNSHEd4P+W984cuK/7YmTbHvpBQcr1konllTP3 hnP43XCZzM0GbQDHnR4tgfbTjV/V8fK0mc/n7bMj0zKwCZmJ2JtP8unQ7hvNSo3WH+Gw UFrHVqODUnWXNSac+FUUP6zHgFnUEFPr084Ptv9oJblccAm4B8p0XXf6uNt/7S02OWFP oq8w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120411205221.26697.87613.levelstar.mail@everest> References: <20120411205221.26697.87613.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:09:19 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: a dream about looping that I had that I wonder if it can come true From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 00:09:20 +0000 (UTC) There are a couple things that can do that - I think it most frequently it involves recording several takes of the chord, and layering them very carefully together. Not quite looping, but careful engineering/production work. The best-known cases of this usually do it to the vocals: --The end of "More Than a Feeling" by Boston (which I love) --"Sheep" by Pink Floyd (actually, it's used to 'morph' the voice into a synthesizer) --"The Rip" by Portishead Also - If you record a loop at an odd time interval, so that the 'seam' doesn't always land at the same part of the rhythm, it makes it feel less repetitive. Do that with two non-synched loops of the same material, and it feels even more like a drone. (Actually, I think this is what the Portishead song does.) There's a device for guitar called an eBow, used by many folks on this list. It magnetically excites the guitar string to allow for infinite sustain. (It does other stuff too.) You'll hear it in many 80s guitar solos. You can make a single note seem to last indefinitely with one of these. Moog guitars have magnetic exciters built into each string, so you could easily get infinite chords with one of those. In computer editing, there's an effect called Time Stretch, which can be used to increase the duration of sounds. It's usually pretty obvious when used to extremes - sort of a digital detuney sound that I like a lot. I'm not aware of any pop music songs that have it. Coil does it at the end of their song "Heaven's Blade" and a bunch of others. Our own Michael Peters uses it for a lot of "Stretched Landscape". When editing a track on a computer, there's a technique that I'm sure has a better name, but I call it "back and forth looping". Basically, you can create an illusion that a sustained sound is not looped by reversing the sample when it gets to the end, and then toggling back to forward when it gets to the beginning. This makes the seam virtually disappear, and the perception of looping is mostly based on the events in your sample, which repeat half as often as they would've if you didn't use reverse. And yes, there's an Electro-Haromix effect called the "Freeze", which makes an instant indefinite drone out of whatever it hears when you hit the switch. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Tyler wrote: > Hello, all! This is Tyler the comedian! Back in 2006 (which, according to what I see on Looper's > Delight, everything except the mailing list became inactive) I had this dream about a song that I had > heard just days before. In the dream, though, part of it was looped; a dream about a remix before I had even > heard of a remix. Well, in this dream, there was a chord; I think it was an A chord. In real > life, the chord in the song lasts for 3/4 of a second. In the dream, it lasted for 20 seconds, > then it faded, implying that it could loop on forever! Well, in the dream, it sounded like one long chord, not > a loop. Is this possible in real life; to make a loop that, if someone heard the remix before they > heard the original, they would think it was originally that way? Let's say there's a chord that lasts for > 3/4 of a second in a song. Is there a way to make a loop that, when played, it would sound like the > chord was held for 20 seconds? So that a listener not familiar with the original song would think that it was > really held for 20 seconds, and not really sound like an obvious loop? > Tyler Z > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 05:47:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32CE1183475; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 05:47:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=R0A+5+OHSkpMnzzd3GEawEeK46xfPwvWdn1TAU0t/3Y=; b=RAcQ8dAdDGppwUX2GGzv0yW+djJv6AgYKmTcRs7/ThxokXf1uGD43RNF0cq1lsFq7K Vp3LiY0JWXkuLVqXc0t5XbrOWpfmbBvg0O9AAQbt2zAw+MRYLFXYb7jhSOvRtSQZAWPS I8prkEG2kLZiaNuJ5bfVOeUtfiZeWX0FzY4SE3zqCq3BJiUoqrZVrDBnoiDCGcaZXB7/ BqjIXM7xXgEW0f1sXvgZTGQRxzr2nkvM+3VXfKyvepyAAL51Hu5FH7KeQRZqhfQ0tx1m fp3GwKLBT4Y4w83fZ7Mo1xiwPfYx08kWaLQGuCo4wtR2nCW5dzRl24vysAOm1bBh/Nef qxTQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 22:47:40 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Mobius Baffling Phase 3 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 05:47:42 +0000 (UTC) Okay, so this is getting farther and farther afield from my having any clue what is going on with my arrangement of Mobius. So, tonight I decided to go back to zero and start forward with the advice I've gotten, most notably Jeff's walk through with the nanokey. I booted up, checked my midi stream with Midi Monitor and confirmed the FCB is sending Note on and off signals (I had programmed a new bank in the FCB with ONLY Note selected). Oh yes, I don't have a direct midi port connection with this arrangement. I am running the FCB Midi cable into a Behringer BCR2000 rotary controller which connects via USB. I have the BCR set to send incoming midi through. Strangely enough however, the Monitor only see data from the FCB, the BCR doesn't seem to be getting anything to the computer. So anyway, I started fresh in Live, created one audio track, one midi track, dropped Mobius in the audio and directed the midi to the audio and selected input from BCR 2000 on the midi channel. Then I opened the Midi Sync preferences. At the top there are five or so slots with control surface, input and output with BCR 2000 in each of them on one row. I ignored those for the most and went to the lower half of that screen where it had midi ports track, sync and remote with the BCR as an option then my audio interface sync port and output with the BCR. Following Jeff's advice, I made sure ONLY sync was on for the BCR input. However, when I did this, Live dids not recognize the incoming FCB via BCR signal. If I turn on the Remote box as well, Live can read the FCB/BCR. So, no Remote, no communication. Went out of live and confirmed that I can program the pedal directly to mobius and it runs fine. Came back to live and cleared the part of the Midi preferences with the controller surface in and out, moved all of them to none. Tried to program Mobius in live again and this time was able to record(!) but when I pressed record again, the loop stopped and disappeared. Is it possible to run Mobius outside of live and route it to the input of an audio track (or two). I don't know, I'm stumped. It requires that the remote box is checked with Jeff says that should be off, but when it is of, I get no midi signal. And do I need to worry about the control surface or midi output. One last thing, I programmed ther FCB to be sending ONLY note messages, nothing else was selected and yet every second press of the note button (so two pair of on/off messages) it was throwing a control message that had a label that seemed to change from session to session. Once it was mute all sound 15 (or other numbers). Earlier I was registering it as a portamento control. The BCR isn't registering any of its own button presses or dial turns in the Monitor so these only come when the FCB is pressed. As I said before, stumped. Kevin --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 06:36:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BE3E183475; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 06:36:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KQ8/HTth3rFlFFVyktXYHfyKAkoRUM1aFbjGK34DybM=; b=jBFsRLWnEc79lVZlkCbKVLUk6uNOqXMqUpk/ctLHLwsIyRMX9V2ukX9CLtApNqPVaP RyKqd4WmZGwYCvPd6Y8WtFK2H4E+LDptQ6jjgWE34fi2NPflMRrNuxTk/xzk0lTAfHYa n9f3u9azS3+7x7EgrvB93hEM4twoOA2dEF/ayvQ/5Loi8j38y5pA8EGAVzb404KugurY qBcC8tCPWZPOI9cJEARXCRcI6yJsSVj+UZQ2Zfy7zoBMsUzgQ+vNPRWb8ye1+JeW350B rvgmXR3dOoSJ4d5mOs1Mm5ZSKg3Xc925kTkHEtRk6sdeVfKc43Yp7k6O7VDFHA2nQ+/g ujbQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 23:36:52 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius Baffling Phase 3 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 06:36:53 +0000 (UTC) Well, I'd say the most likely culprit here is the BCR 2000 that the FCB is passing through. When I press the FCB sending Note messages, another control message is sent on every second press (and the value or label for that control changes from session No idea where they are coming from and unless I can find a way to completely reset the BCR and FCB to a completely blank state, I'm not sure what's next. Okay, that was just for the sake of accuracy in reporting. Carry on, Kevin On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Okay, so this is getting farther and farther afield from my having any > clue what is going on with my arrangement of Mobius. > > So, tonight I decided to go back to zero and start forward with the > advice I've gotten, most notably Jeff's walk through with the nanokey. > =A0I booted up, checked my midi stream with Midi Monitor and confirmed > the FCB is sending Note on and off signals (I had programmed a new > bank in the FCB with ONLY Note selected). > > Oh yes, I don't have a direct midi port connection with this > arrangement. =A0I am running the FCB Midi cable into a Behringer BCR2000 > rotary controller which connects via USB. =A0I have the BCR set to send > incoming midi through. =A0Strangely enough however, the Monitor only see > data from the FCB, the BCR doesn't seem to be getting anything to the > computer. > > So anyway, I started fresh in Live, created one audio track, one midi > track, dropped Mobius in the audio and directed the midi to the audio > and selected input from BCR 2000 on the midi channel. =A0Then I opened > the Midi Sync preferences. =A0At the top there are five or so slots with > control surface, input and output with BCR 2000 in each of them on one > row. =A0I ignored those for the most and went to the lower half of that > screen where it had midi ports track, sync and remote with the BCR as > an option then my audio interface sync port and output with the BCR. > Following Jeff's advice, I made sure ONLY sync was on for the BCR > input. =A0However, when I did this, Live dids not recognize the incoming > FCB via BCR signal. =A0If I turn on the Remote box as well, Live can > read the FCB/BCR. > > So, no Remote, no communication. > > Went out of live and confirmed that I can program the pedal directly > to mobius and it runs fine. > > Came back to live and cleared the part of the Midi preferences with > the controller surface in and out, moved all of them to none. =A0Tried > to program Mobius in live again and this time was able to record(!) > but when I pressed record again, the loop stopped and disappeared. > > Is it possible to run Mobius outside of live and route it to the input > of an audio track (or two). > > I don't know, I'm stumped. =A0It requires that the remote box is checked > with Jeff says that should be off, but when it is of, I get no midi > signal. =A0And do I need to worry about the control surface or midi > output. > > One last thing, I programmed ther FCB to be sending ONLY note > messages, nothing else was selected and yet every second press of the > note button (so two pair of on/off messages) it was throwing a control > message that had a label that seemed to change from session to > session. =A0Once it was mute all sound 15 (or other numbers). =A0Earlier = I > was registering it as a portamento control. =A0The BCR isn't registering > any of its own button presses or dial turns in the Monitor so these > only come when the FCB is pressed. > > As I said before, stumped. > > Kevin > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble= . > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 07:21:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49933183477; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 07:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lMLLdyeuf6MbGi6qVjIzST8TDfx9RDbVpx4r86RsaoM=; b=H3feE74uY2vvoVHO1+7VJjUFneIVR6KPY6JOGJu5v5UjF6wNbTTg47zdrPZFfJF8Kd Y/KxiX2XTubDCUC7bDiFN4mhZFu4DmMX5igO0NWpq3rn23gAOKvvRq97ZBkkNjTa1R7K 0m+Vlr1uPXvWR+0YhP4YHYmiZNiOgH/VtCKHAL7e7Gi0dcNQQBAIAnhtg0ECm5p3kttU vw2NIElTNi6o6p06jOHKXoPBSylsk6RsC2pGqxN/euv6bzzVW97K2JBYq5fQj0TXX7H5 tDZy65k3J8n74tgeVqw4hva7RjXcfmuoovUC2/GfY7DG66tgdNc+n7yDmTEplNPUhhYo kWJQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 00:21:54 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius Baffling Phase 3 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <8V68l.A.m-D.TWSiPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 07:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Last update of the evening and I'm done. I have isolated the problem to the messages the FCB is sending to Live. I have programmed the FCB to send a note on/off message ONLY. However, when I go to assign the pedal press in Live, the first press assigns the note value and a second press changes the assignment to a control value. The CC value that is sent seems to change according to the physical pedal and not the note assigned (I assigned the same note value to two pedals and got different CCs depending on which pedal I pressed). Did someone say there is a chip that eliminates this problem on the FCB. Oh yeah, and one last oddity then I really am done. I thought I might be able to control the problem by changing the global settings on the FCB so that notes were sent on channel 2 and everything else is sent on 1. I confirmed this was being received at the computer this way (note on 2, cc on 1) and configured the midi track for input only on channel 2. This did nothing to filter out the incoming cc message. Yep that does it, I have no clue how to solve this with the tools and wits at hand. Good night. Kevin (but you knew that by now didn't you)? On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:36 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Well, I'd say the most likely culprit here is the BCR 2000 that the > FCB is passing through. =A0When I press the FCB sending Note messages, > another control message is sent on every second press (and the value > or label for that control changes from session =A0 No idea where they > are coming from and unless I can find a way to completely reset the > BCR and FCB to a completely blank state, I'm not sure what's next. > > Okay, that was just for the sake of accuracy in reporting. > > Carry on, > > Kevin > > On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando > wrote: >> Okay, so this is getting farther and farther afield from my having any >> clue what is going on with my arrangement of Mobius. >> >> So, tonight I decided to go back to zero and start forward with the >> advice I've gotten, most notably Jeff's walk through with the nanokey. >> =A0I booted up, checked my midi stream with Midi Monitor and confirmed >> the FCB is sending Note on and off signals (I had programmed a new >> bank in the FCB with ONLY Note selected). >> >> Oh yes, I don't have a direct midi port connection with this >> arrangement. =A0I am running the FCB Midi cable into a Behringer BCR2000 >> rotary controller which connects via USB. =A0I have the BCR set to send >> incoming midi through. =A0Strangely enough however, the Monitor only see >> data from the FCB, the BCR doesn't seem to be getting anything to the >> computer. >> >> So anyway, I started fresh in Live, created one audio track, one midi >> track, dropped Mobius in the audio and directed the midi to the audio >> and selected input from BCR 2000 on the midi channel. =A0Then I opened >> the Midi Sync preferences. =A0At the top there are five or so slots with >> control surface, input and output with BCR 2000 in each of them on one >> row. =A0I ignored those for the most and went to the lower half of that >> screen where it had midi ports track, sync and remote with the BCR as >> an option then my audio interface sync port and output with the BCR. >> Following Jeff's advice, I made sure ONLY sync was on for the BCR >> input. =A0However, when I did this, Live dids not recognize the incoming >> FCB via BCR signal. =A0If I turn on the Remote box as well, Live can >> read the FCB/BCR. >> >> So, no Remote, no communication. >> >> Went out of live and confirmed that I can program the pedal directly >> to mobius and it runs fine. >> >> Came back to live and cleared the part of the Midi preferences with >> the controller surface in and out, moved all of them to none. =A0Tried >> to program Mobius in live again and this time was able to record(!) >> but when I pressed record again, the loop stopped and disappeared. >> >> Is it possible to run Mobius outside of live and route it to the input >> of an audio track (or two). >> >> I don't know, I'm stumped. =A0It requires that the remote box is checked >> with Jeff says that should be off, but when it is of, I get no midi >> signal. =A0And do I need to worry about the control surface or midi >> output. >> >> One last thing, I programmed ther FCB to be sending ONLY note >> messages, nothing else was selected and yet every second press of the >> note button (so two pair of on/off messages) it was throwing a control >> message that had a label that seemed to change from session to >> session. =A0Once it was mute all sound 15 (or other numbers). =A0Earlier= I >> was registering it as a portamento control. =A0The BCR isn't registering >> any of its own button presses or dial turns in the Monitor so these >> only come when the FCB is pressed. >> >> As I said before, stumped. >> >> Kevin >> >> -- >> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a >> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all troubl= e. >> >> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >> >> Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org >> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > > > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble= . > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 07:53:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB599183464; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 07:53:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 5346 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 07:53:40 UTC References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <59E8B686-A04D-4D8C-BE90-0E1549278804@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Mobius Baffling Phase 3 Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 01:24:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - slmp-550-64.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 07:53:40 +0000 (UTC) > Then I opened the Midi Sync preferences. At the top there are five > or so slots with control surface, input and output with BCR 2000 > in each of them on one row. I'm not exactly sure what these do, but you should click on any item that shows BCR 2000 and select "None". This may be diverting some of the MIDI messages sent by the BCR for Live control. > I ignored those for the most and went to the lower half of that > screen where it had midi ports track, sync and remote with the BCR as > an option then my audio interface sync port and output with the BCR. > Following Jeff's advice, I made sure ONLY sync was on for the BCR > input. However, when I did this, Live dids not recognize the incoming > FCB via BCR signal. If I turn on the Remote box as well, Live can > read the FCB/BCR. No, the Track button needs to be On and the Sync and Remote buttons need to be Off. I think Sync determines if Live will follow MIDI clocks from this device which does not apply here. Remote determines if Live will use the MIDI messages for its own purposes which we don't want. You only need Track. > One last thing, I programmed ther FCB to be sending ONLY note > messages, nothing else was selected and yet every second press of the > note button (so two pair of on/off messages) it was throwing a control > message that had a label that seemed to change from session to > session. Once it was mute all sound 15 (or other numbers). Earlier I > was registering it as a portamento control. The BCR isn't registering > any of its own button presses or dial turns in the Monitor so these > only come when the FCB is pressed. I'm not sure what that is, but as long as you don't program Mobius to respond to the extra CC it should be okay. Jeff On Apr 14, 2012, at 12:47 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Okay, so this is getting farther and farther afield from my having any > clue what is going on with my arrangement of Mobius. > > So, tonight I decided to go back to zero and start forward with the > advice I've gotten, most notably Jeff's walk through with the nanokey. > I booted up, checked my midi stream with Midi Monitor and confirmed > the FCB is sending Note on and off signals (I had programmed a new > bank in the FCB with ONLY Note selected). > > Oh yes, I don't have a direct midi port connection with this > arrangement. I am running the FCB Midi cable into a Behringer BCR2000 > rotary controller which connects via USB. I have the BCR set to send > incoming midi through. Strangely enough however, the Monitor only see > data from the FCB, the BCR doesn't seem to be getting anything to the > computer. > > So anyway, I started fresh in Live, created one audio track, one midi > track, dropped Mobius in the audio and directed the midi to the audio > and selected input from BCR 2000 on the midi channel. Then I opened > the Midi Sync preferences. At the top there are five or so slots with > control surface, input and output with BCR 2000 in each of them on one > row. I ignored those for the most and went to the lower half of that > screen where it had midi ports track, sync and remote with the BCR as > an option then my audio interface sync port and output with the BCR. > Following Jeff's advice, I made sure ONLY sync was on for the BCR > input. However, when I did this, Live dids not recognize the incoming > FCB via BCR signal. If I turn on the Remote box as well, Live can > read the FCB/BCR. > > So, no Remote, no communication. > > Went out of live and confirmed that I can program the pedal directly > to mobius and it runs fine. > > Came back to live and cleared the part of the Midi preferences with > the controller surface in and out, moved all of them to none. Tried > to program Mobius in live again and this time was able to record(!) > but when I pressed record again, the loop stopped and disappeared. > > Is it possible to run Mobius outside of live and route it to the input > of an audio track (or two). > > I don't know, I'm stumped. It requires that the remote box is checked > with Jeff says that should be off, but when it is of, I get no midi > signal. And do I need to worry about the control surface or midi > output. > > One last thing, I programmed ther FCB to be sending ONLY note > messages, nothing else was selected and yet every second press of the > note button (so two pair of on/off messages) it was throwing a control > message that had a label that seemed to change from session to > session. Once it was mute all sound 15 (or other numbers). Earlier I > was registering it as a portamento control. The BCR isn't registering > any of its own button presses or dial turns in the Monitor so these > only come when the FCB is pressed. > > As I said before, stumped. > > Kevin > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 08:18:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 825FE183474; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 08:18:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F8932C9.3050708@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 04:18:17 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Thought Radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 08:18:21 +0000 (UTC) THOUGHT RADIO: http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio ======================================================================= My next stint on Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show, will be Saturday, April 14 at 6 am EDT/GMT-4. 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Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 09:16:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 822D5183473; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 09:16:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 747489156/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.189.47/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.189.47 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBADNAiU9V0r0v/2dsb2JhbAANOLgaAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYgFuQqOJYMkBJtMjT4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,422,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="747489156" Message-ID: <4F894077.4050706@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 10:16:39 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius Baffling Phase 3 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 09:16:37 +0000 (UTC) Doesn't Ableton have an editor where any wrong midi-learns can be corrected?? Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Did someone say there is a chip that eliminates this problem on the FCB. yup, the Uno chip doesn't have the bugs. (and does have editor software) It's written by Xavier who makes the Little Giant range of controllers, ...(which is the highest recommendation possible). Also, very early editions of the fcb firmware were free of the problem. (but you *can't* avoid re-programming by changing to an early chip) What you could try is to go into the global setting menu for the fcb and try either 1) make sure the channels for the 2 lots of CC commands are set to 16, or any channel you know you won't use. 2) change the channel you are using to one that avoids that of the spurious CCs ...but I don't know if Ableton fill let you filter by midi channel to take advantage of that. Maybe you could use a different (cleaner )source of midi data while Ableton is in learn mode. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 09:31:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D38B183475; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 09:31:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zogN+0geUcqTDzLkgaltzb5xoAPCsZrfz6VZWkst5DQ=; b=T3LKUnpjTtLKGXB0XnMg9eEWt25sYmbvYvLGCYlQmgvnZdGI8kVR7UUql2S6p2Y+Ib kU3RS/EBD18LID3xJ782ACHU6+JlyC5eg3FV/2mv3KN0KhWfVDu8p7iJvgv1tK+TvjC5 UATOOUbDG9OnYbDmot5zQ6Pivc5c9BCEGtqVjZcYc3s6cufwhhK9YKQSCZG0pjHIDba4 6LyHwE8EsjVSOuE6sHPyppG9yE1N2ByatCG+jZBItRWpsuVjIOGJmmd+vpn66MM6Rra3 fPLIrFavxPsPBv1bDdiDHIconHoogqY+Lq21djYpxIoUZIeNBl4ly+uYb6QMx+JoHKBT +BOA== Message-ID: <4F89440A.2070501@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 11:31:54 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius Baffling Phase 3 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 09:31:56 +0000 (UTC) Kevin Cheli-Colando schrieb: > I have isolated the problem to the messages the FCB is sending to > Live. I have programmed the FCB to send a note on/off message ONLY. > However, when I go to assign the pedal press in Live, the first press > assigns the note value and a second press changes the assignment to a > control value. The CC value that is sent seems to change according to > the physical pedal and not the note assigned (I assigned the same note > value to two pedals and got different CCs depending on which pedal I > pressed). > There is another reason for this behaviour which as I think wasn't mentioned before: If you have the two EXP pedals setup (and they're sending CC), then the mechanical shock transmitted from you pressing/releasing buttons might only so slightly move the exp pedals, put enough for them to send a CC. Apart from that, there's always the possibility not to use the learn feature and simply enter the assignments by hand. Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 10:37:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 599B2183475; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 10:37:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=WQK9Jpafzq30uwhnmv+G/24oj4GXix8iQ98Pkid5iXw=; b=D9Nku2H0yMLXOy6/Bz6KZTIt6tt8NKhHbEMMFPyeN8A6ZD7uMsNKenIjQLZkB5AV2m Jq4nan/hL9DOBDX9YWiYTanCkI/PTg0uwZTBT6o6fD7AyAUwsUgUiTKTj5JxDh5oIYrf LSa++tOhqV44207iN/kntwtZ66ZYtPAe4lJrJ07iIoPrlJnQMwPXF3lW8g1RiJN7TgQ9 H6K2wtkvaT2pKKAs/RupNbnagFjEX7qw1csaQXMEqVSjlI0/GettCrFS+ZCcC69KXPFN i64DfO7ggg5qffsP0Y4rfysklYnod96CS8HVm7wgBGklKLwmkZHrRcrdV38c29gb+d+e gwdA== Subject: Re: Mobius Mystery part 2 References: <7AE04C4C-583B-48E1-BCF3-06EB1CB81DB4@gmail.com> <4F870E9D.6090505@tiscali.co.uk> <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEE9A6@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> From: F_Anile Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B176) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 12:37:52 +0200 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 10:37:58 +0000 (UTC) It occorrer to me and I solved it using a midi filter module in Bidule. Don'= t know if Live has something like that but I strongly raccomend to get under= control your midi data streams. -f Il giorno 13/apr/2012, alle ore 19:32, Kevin Cheli-Colando ha scritto: > Well I have noticed that I get the occasional portamento cc sent after > the notes but I wasn't sure if that was the Rotary controller or the > FCB. >=20 > I can't confirm things since I'm not in front of the computer I'm > using for this, but I believe I tried changing to PC messages instead > and I got no response at all from Mobius in Live. >=20 > I am trying to be diligent in my testing before I send these messages > at least :-) >=20 > Thanks for the ongoing help, I'm convinced this is going to open a > whole new vista of musical possibilities once I get this up and > running. >=20 > Kevin >=20 > On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> A quick comment related Jeff's mentioning of the FCB sending out MIDI >> PC messages it is not programmed to send out. I have owned three FCB's >> and each of them sent out random bursts of MIDI CC# data now and then >> in addition to the MIDI Notes it was programmed to send out. Not >> thinking that this phenomenon can cause the issue Kevin suffers >> though, just wanted to complete the picture of The FCB's >> Peculiarities. >>=20 >> Greetings from Sweden >>=20 >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Jeff Larson w= rote: >>> I ran a few tests on Windows and Mac, and I'm able to get Note On and No= te Off through Live to Mobius. >>> The tests were done with a little Korg nanoKey but that shouldn't make a= difference, the important thing is that you need to make sure that the FCB 1= 010 is sending both Note On and Note Off and nothing else. The FCB can some= times send extra MIDI program changes along with the note events if you don'= t disable that when you program the note. To verify this use MIDI Monitor o= n Mac or MIDI-OX on Windows and make sure that you're only getting Note on/o= ff from the device. >>>=20 >>> Next I brought up Live, 1 audio track, 1, midi track, went to "MIDI Sync= " tab in Live's preferences and made sure that for the nanoKey the "On" butt= on under the Track column was lit, the Sync and Remote buttons should be Off= . >>>=20 >>> Then I dropped Mobius 2 into the audio track. In the Mobius MIDI Device= s window make sure there is nothing selected in the Plugin Input Devices pan= el. In the MIDI track, the "MIDI From" button reads "All Ins" and >>> "All Channels" under "Monitor" click the "In" button so it is lit, unde= r "MIDI To" select "1-Audio". >>>=20 >>> Go back to the Mobius window and open the MIDI Control dialog. I added a= binding for the Record function and used MIDI capture to detect the first k= ey on the nanoKey. Close the MIDI Control dialog, and press the key. Recor= ding starts. Press key again, recording stops. >>>=20 >>> On Windows I was using Live 8.1.1 on OS X I was using an older trial ver= sion of 7.0.12. >>>=20 >>> Jeff >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [billowhead@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 11:57 PM >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: Re: Mobius Mystery part 2 >>>=20 >>> Well, this is getting embarrassing but I will press on to ask again anyw= ay. >>>=20 >>> I can get the midi to work running Mobius as a stand alone. Record >>> starts recording and plays as expected when stopped. >>>=20 >>> But when I go into Live, the recording always does that 1 second and >>> reset thing. I thought I tried all the things suggested (and I do >>> have it set up as described below) but I can't figure out what is >>> going on. Anyone want to take pity on a simpleton and walk me through >>> the steps of configuring Live and Mobius to play nicely together. I >>> feel like I'm missing something obvious but don't know how to track it >>> down. I guess its fair to say I know enough to cause trouble but >>> don't really quite understand exactly what I'm doing. >>>=20 >>> I'd be happy to read a manual but I can't even seem to find the >>> solution to the problem I'm facing in the manual or forums (though >>> Jeff's manual does mention the long press reset problem but seems to >>> assume I would then know how to solve that issue). >>>=20 >>> Round three anyone? >>>=20 >>> Kevin >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.= >=20 > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >=20 > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 15:39:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73FB9183474; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:39:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=EJuP3pQZsyA4SKA/S7HjnoV9kFmpmkDlIEAeqQSOrjw=; b=WSiLvMY+3i0HgmxF/R/18QxsQSrII4yY6ZLQDq0gGU/iStoU1iKtQ6imArJXsbqKD5 gxb3Oyh1Ni7Qj1FEmWFDVW+F2ULUV4RgYaz3XLuRUVRqFblxHzHFX3EFLzoVBfCLovva X11xF1qSIIqRCmVKdzS7wPhCt3w6Y/Wp55PLIEwQlWwT0g7occjdtPRoAKEz1wscBHni R1P+JVphHn7VcaciHV/ELK3O2zUveRl5+cBTkQPQ0DACSQm51onIhUhsmd7Cqq9fXRu3 Mzx14Law6rhBGmW/ZJjuoJO7h+x1sj3cL8ld1E0FM5sS6KygQQRzc6WVntHTZ6LlcDyb dLIA== From: Philip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LP1 manual Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 00:39:14 +0900 Message-Id: To: Loopergroup Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:39:25 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I purchased an LP1 loaded with firmware v1.34. My manual however is for = v1.38. The manual I have is only about 20 pages or so and contains no = info about the aux output and how to route different signals/loops to = different outputs. I've made inquiries about this on the Looperlative forum and in emails = to Bob. But I have received no response. Does anyone know where I can = download a more comprehensive manual? Thanks--I hope. Philip= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 17:21:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE570183473; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 17:21:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; bh=yAnBMjlKagUKTsIVYmkbTqXSuSJ9nF+wAIkBcfBOe9w=; b=wOFErh17h7N26hM2mDz+9xquKVb0r3VuZuf/NhcXuUW+ZanTPZkt8CZ1N/VRrZJ1jn IqF3TPOIjxIIwiTvkMM9hlquHnjYdXkw+crfJbnVDVH4g1efVBIZaZja8DBDpdQeYHvb lB0yyvzKGQvysVFo5crzIv0HaHSkcyHbnZZasB4LmL9cs6HSE+IoyOHV63sbw4n0dGcg 2mhXCb/phmhDoin4NF/ma6vgzYe/qbQMjTlzyPraPzVEiwrjZbv4U/9XM8XmufHTogsU vzeRtZA+4siJ1tcx0W1oikOaOPHGzGJ0KcV4L8vn8dTsSHMusYaFc72VBVHf/iTCKBTV EKmw== Message-Id: <1228EBDB-D100-45E7-AC8A-5ECD8609B5C4@gmail.com> From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--365405560 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Mobius Baffling Phase 3 Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 10:21:19 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 17:21:25 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--365405560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Apr 14, 2012, at 12:21 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > The CC value that is sent seems to change according to > the physical pedal and not the note assigned (I assigned the same note > value to two pedals and got different CCs depending on which pedal I > pressed). > > Did someone say there is a chip that eliminates this problem on the =20= > FCB. Below is stuff from the FCB yahoo list. BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j http://rpcollier.bandcamp.com/album/platz >>>If you=92re using an NOTE only patches be aware that the FCB1010 =20 will send out CC#0 regardless of whether you have it ticked or not. =20 That=92s the =93tap tempo=94 function. Which if you look it up, may be = where =20 your =93pitch bend=94 CC is coming from...If you also have MERGE enabled = =20 on the FCB1010, disable it, OR the FCB1010 will turn around and send ALL that data back to Live. =46rom the sound =20= of the Mute buttons flashing, that sounds like MERGE is enabled. If you send notes on where the time between presses is less than =20 1270ms, you get a tap tempo CC message.<<<< >>>I have had awesome success using the FCB1010 with Ableton Live. It =20= may not be necessary, but the consensus seems to be that the UnO e-=20 prom upgrade fixes lots of issues with the FCB1010 so I went ahead and =20= upgraded to it. Have never had any issues so I recommend it. I purchased the UnO e-prom chip and installed that. It can be found =20 here:http://www.ossandust.be/index.php I also use the Ripwerx editor to do the actual programming of the =20 pedal - it is simpler. That tool can be found here: = http://www.ripwerx.com/ <<<< ---- >>Without changing the firmware you can also specify a global channel =20= for the NOTE and only react to that channel, or you can remap the =20 global CC=92s to send to an unused channel. Either one will work as = well. I do believe if you put a UnO chip in you can disable the Tap =20 Tempo=85.<<<< --Apple-Mail-1--365405560 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Apr 14, 2012, = at 12:21 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote:

The CC value = that is sent seems to change according to
the physical pedal and not = the note assigned (I assigned the same note
value to two pedals and = got different CCs depending on which pedal I
pressed).

Did = someone say there is a chip that eliminates this problem on the = FCB.



Below is stuff = from the FCB yahoo = list.


BobC





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Petri

--90e6ba5bbb856b68c304bda79bb5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 20:04:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 863A1183466; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:04:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 747823582/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.189.47/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.189.47 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAFnXiU9V0r0v/2dsb2JhbAANN7gbAQEBAwE4RgsLISUPAkYcAYgFuCKOJYMkBJtMjT4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,423,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="747823582" Message-ID: <4F89D83D.40605@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 21:04:13 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius Baffling Phase 3 References: ,<1228EBDB-D100-45E7-AC8A-5ECD8609B5C4@gmail.com> <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEFD47@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEFD47@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:04:02 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Larson wrote: > Now how Live responds to these extra events is another matter. > I doubt that it will fail to pass a Note Off to Mobius just > because it receives a CC after the Note On. sounds reasonable, there have been reports that it simply doesn't pass Note-Off. > Does anyone have proof of that? No, the baffling world of Ableton seems to defy analysis. I'm pretty sure I had it working fine in Live 8.1. and without touching "midi learn". andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 20:11:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1232D183475; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=wemN6dcaZz88sZXNLvSCGB49E83ZKw26c7X3Au4NtA8=; b=GuGmiUOwH8ojVFgyZmbj0/Nbp9OUKkQxFj4ZtlvirOmwglmwOHIN7OJkKb3xnly1+J yKcXSWzA1fb76xfM5VnKreirHaAVdVNH84MGxn0iqMIHLTXS3s1MvUFm3jw+n0/DQ/G9 X6Q1KQtnUcgBf2qJpqPlmvP+qFlAbooAWp3L8vmfk9SfntrBKglAkkfIbAV7eLxzi947 mHKqXXcQRi/ES6i7r7sLOX6pwxzVmnaXY7rtr+5m7UiWk5jFbjXg7TiEobeuYBApWzuT aMwNy6l9WTZIa7suPmzLlsX1QBoBKR6G1OXkZ3XapdIuKzTImkEzDFiGSkNtFnE8TfFQ AXZw== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Mobius Baffling Phase 3 From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: <4F89D83D.40605@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 13:11:22 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: ,<1228EBDB-D100-45E7-AC8A-5ECD8609B5C4@gmail.com> <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEFD47@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> <4F89D83D.40605@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:11:36 +0000 (UTC) I did note in previous mail that a Note On/ Note Off pair has not worked = for me when passing MIDI thru Live to Echoloop VST, but that passing two = Note On messages, both at 127 (not 127 and 0), is working very well. On Apr 14, 2012, at 1:04 PM, andy butler wrote: > Jeff Larson wrote: >=20 >> Now how Live responds to these extra events is another matter. I = doubt that it will fail to pass a Note Off to Mobius just because it = receives a CC after the Note On.=20 >=20 > sounds reasonable, there have been reports that it simply doesn't pass = Note-Off. >=20 >=20 >> Does anyone have proof of that? >=20 > No, the baffling world of Ableton seems to defy analysis. >=20 > I'm pretty sure I had it working fine in Live 8.1. > and without touching "midi learn". >=20 > andy >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 21:17:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40105183475; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 21:17:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=UY86WEy5sUDdX2yVe23XwALKJNMlvJGw3HU3Q0p50gU=; b=bxui5dAJad6Sk+trCpNQy8HGTaXAkc9EZvsz4bId6sHCgLImT2kl/8MNlfQzLiBvao G0rXFj/vki+Ts8/xcdJSk3ftpMFpKzJvEgRwPeRwWFXuF16GmobhWazdr61ZEt/ItlpG HxO4OaRFPIa9k7pDfjIqyZ5+Q1KtfTHOTH2Z30AsBRv+R2WjKyKwmGGIyN2PuiFk8Ao3 1fhoLvbFp5xBIKznTE+a8FdchxOMTP5a9deAcEVEm5bT1nl/kDXPwveDWPAPmJfnRe68 Xyh9zGkDJKaaD653CICAr4GXmcR5jwEkIUJMZPlea7+uQ+64wi4uV9I36XAEgxoakXfK D5og== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 23:17:08 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: The Dark Side of Live (Ableton) and the goodies From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 21:17:09 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I just want to report on my happiness and frustration with using Ableton Live as my looper host. On the happy side is that I'm finding Live 8.3 way more CPU efficient than my other two usual host applications Plogue Bidule and Mainstage. The dark side is that Live is no good when slaved by MIDI Clock to a hosted looper plugin. This setup causes regular audio dropouts. That's not fun since I'm a big fan of "trash-looping" where you instantly delete and rebuild the loop during a performance, resulting in constant tempo changes. I've done many tests and it just doesn't work in Live. So I'm now trying to learn how to adapt to the click and still stay creative with my looping. But there are other goodies in Live - one important fun factor is that you can bring in sequencing and set up random scripted slicing of canned loops playback along with the live looping. And the option to record multiple channels at 24/48 suits me fine (Bidule can do that too). Thanks to Max For Live I found a good tuner plugin as well, which comes in handy with a 12 stringed instrument :-) and I have also discovered that Live's own "Amp and Cabinet" plugin sounds ok for Stick and guitar. Not as good to my ears as the Amp Designer in Mainstage and not as good as Amplitube 3 but in the recent version Amplitube 3 tends to crash host applications or render saved documents corrupt. Bottom line is I'm happy with Live now. I'm also fine with saving the wildest sessions for Mainstage. Mainstage is less CPU efficient but as long as you stay under the red zone it works flawlessly as a slave, MIDI Clock synced host application for a looper. You can just trash everything in Mobius and start a new loop while the music is going and Mainstage smoothly adapts to the new tempo without an audio glitch while you hear all delays and termolo stuff slowing/speeding into the new tempo. Very cool. I will miss that in Live. Live may become my suit-and-tie-job host app and Mainstage my party-on host ;-)) Nothing bad in that, as long as you are aware about it. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 01:01:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B336218347A; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 01:01:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=QEq3oDD3g/ahC10S3iHqROpHSZXvsfLZhiod7nfhLC8=; b=isHdV2yK+V7zn5rbpK1JAB9dARznA7EIrOLTeJyIfEEtoQiiS6Z/hpPSEDmj2vNXR2 kJtBZwp78OLWbI2iyn1rQ0VvfHi6ciI3OYThL5Sdy362VoZuq1gOVWfN5vJAsa+67IWC CR83ywaXuwF9+FxRGtweP+nKCuQ2yCSxOcnI0yeXtT6w8lffK9ARfKqmujbtQSfZbZRy FXqYJ0ImzUHJHLtHqSLXovwJitib3l6FQWG8nP18eZ8+8WN0oAR5G6bG9q1HD+C5rCno BCAWbqne9nMefxEjqrH0Nhs0+pxu90eo3b79OBXP1QN3x5f2D1+ts9v1+Z53bSNOTICv s4Jw== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Subject: Re: The Dark Side of Live (Ableton) and the goodies From: Todd Matthews In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 21:01:10 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5130E974-4A5D-45CC-9D13-A3A49D1E6392@gmail.com> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 01:01:22 +0000 (UTC) Per, playing to a click! Woah. I never thought I would read that = statement. It does like a good idea though to make yourself work in a = new way. Thanks for the reports. I've been doing a bunch of experimenting with my = looping setup lately(In Mainstage as well) so I will definitely give = Live a solid test run again. -------------------- Todd Matthews toddbass.com twitter: gtodd876 On Apr 14, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I just want to report on my happiness and frustration with using > Ableton Live as my looper host. On the happy side is that I'm finding > Live 8.3 way more CPU efficient than my other two usual host > applications Plogue Bidule and Mainstage. The dark side is that Live > is no good when slaved by MIDI Clock to a hosted looper plugin. This > setup causes regular audio dropouts. That's not fun since I'm a big > fan of "trash-looping" where you instantly delete and rebuild the loop > during a performance, resulting in constant tempo changes. I've done > many tests and it just doesn't work in Live. So I'm now trying to > learn how to adapt to the click and still stay creative with my > looping. But there are other goodies in Live - one important fun > factor is that you can bring in sequencing and set up random scripted > slicing of canned loops playback along with the live looping. And the > option to record multiple channels at 24/48 suits me fine (Bidule can > do that too). Thanks to Max For Live I found a good tuner plugin as > well, which comes in handy with a 12 stringed instrument :-) and I > have also discovered that Live's own "Amp and Cabinet" plugin sounds > ok for Stick and guitar. Not as good to my ears as the Amp Designer in > Mainstage and not as good as Amplitube 3 but in the recent version > Amplitube 3 tends to crash host applications or render saved documents > corrupt. >=20 > Bottom line is I'm happy with Live now. >=20 > I'm also fine with saving the wildest sessions for Mainstage. > Mainstage is less CPU efficient but as long as you stay under the red > zone it works flawlessly as a slave, MIDI Clock synced host > application for a looper. You can just trash everything in Mobius and > start a new loop while the music is going and Mainstage smoothly > adapts to the new tempo without an audio glitch while you hear all > delays and termolo stuff slowing/speeding into the new tempo. Very > cool. I will miss that in Live. Live may become my suit-and-tie-job > host app and Mainstage my party-on host ;-)) Nothing bad in that, as > long as you are aware about it. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 04:16:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87261183475; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 04:16:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7TbSmU095/k6Ae2qBmRU5EDzfbu+FdKCYyM9Q5xIs08=; b=xFCvlXFf2Ct1AJGsSX9O40/dNEjw5Kfiv2p9fBMhamAoensR6RFBLBMwiacAvzWgmx JyvS3zgKBWf7ELhtPPPiaN7ecSxbHiiaPHIawUL2OAPG9mwI03axtWkLVj0t40ECt0q+ NFhr/biEHSdW+Oo0mj4v6eDmadmBG7wYMCIrmBXmxdzEbAKOICpi9EuraZrB4V+DynHM w987JMcytQILHbMQRC3zaIXa0MVn5PKdoxw0ljz2YgI0Yus7vj2mQT9nLcOrRLOD7ZRd bvML6uNJ94XufymVeOYzEndjejmb/lv2mp4IgvaOpvzamGwTOfhuBvEyIDlCDq0bV2eP 0RUQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <59E8B686-A04D-4D8C-BE90-0E1549278804@zonemobius.com> References: <59E8B686-A04D-4D8C-BE90-0E1549278804@zonemobius.com> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 21:16:55 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius Baffling Phase 3 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 04:16:56 +0000 (UTC) > No, the Track button needs to be On and the Sync and Remote buttons > need to be Off. Well here is the weird thing then; if I only have Track on, Live does not recognize the midi controller. If I add remote, it registers the signal. No remote, no Midi. Doesn't matter if I have track on or not, remote is the only thing that seems to determine if I get through. > > I think Sync determines if Live will follow MIDI clocks from this > device which does not apply here. =A0Remote determines if Live will > use the MIDI messages for its own purposes which we don't want. > You only need Track. But Live won't register my FCB without remote so I have no idea what that is about. > I'm not sure what that is, but as long as you don't program Mobius > to respond to the extra CC it should be okay. Well, it appears that the extra CC is part of the FCB for tap tempo. I'm sending it out on channel 1 and the notes on channel two telling Live to respond only to channel 2. But that last CC seems to be reseting the loop. So it doesn't seem to be behaving the way it should and I can'r figure out why or what to do about it. Very frustrating. Onward, Kevin Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 04:19:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FA82183478; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 04:19:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=I2jr7o1OXU2HCBIp/f0WCGJsm8qvMWcqPdGUVmAIMrw=; b=lljpLiHIGj6vHyMsg2s52KX6ZoKOxcGzZjFI54qmCek9R+6a3E7F9YgkAkp0+E54Yk yg5ExRmfVbITo9E6aUCRElwsEKkD0gFUfrJINlhhMXn1Eg0WTpkleIGT14FK7FKhucCJ x7u67QLZnAizVA8zmQ48tfEUiQVXqLFnsOre0LH4hVRfyS6Fbmuf2T0RYh0sviDE3K1P I/uety/iV9GobiElIh04y+txMf1udjs56f71In8f3IAf+28zlyMVc0Fye+tFvCXrlikQ PeiJWB9+174R73EuYmwLCXFd9xzpBoHDR2cUEcW3mn0G5/90HUlSN74yYshYeIXHkp2u tztQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEFD47@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <1228EBDB-D100-45E7-AC8A-5ECD8609B5C4@gmail.com> <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEFD47@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 21:19:40 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius Baffling Phase 3 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 04:19:42 +0000 (UTC) > I believe you said that this was working in Mobius standalone but not und= er > Live correct? =A0If so I don't think the FCB is the problem. Yes, it does work in the stand alone mode. So I guess that can rule out the FCB. One down. Now, to find out what the hell is going on in Live. Kevin --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 10:12:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1BF4183475; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 10:12:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 757872266/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.18.254/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.18.254 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAByeik9YbRL+/2dsb2JhbAANN7gbAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRQYBFQHABIs3hhIEm0yNPoFb X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,425,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="757872266" Message-ID: <4F8A9F09.3030605@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 11:12:25 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Mobius Baffling Phase 3 References: ,<1228EBDB-D100-45E7-AC8A-5ECD8609B5C4@gmail.com> <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEFD47@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> <4F89D83D.40605@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 10:12:13 +0000 (UTC) Phil Clevenger wrote: > I did note in previous mail that a Note On/ Note Off pair has not worked for > me when passing MIDI thru Live to Echoloop VST, but that passing two> > Note On messages, both at 127 (not 127 and 0), is working very well. Thanks for that Phil, you indeed said "both at 127" and I missed it. I'm not sure that it *should* work though...forwarding to Matt. (of course, as it's needed for Ableton I guess this behaviour shouldn't be changed in Echoloop, though it's possible there's other bad consequences for responding to Note-On as if it were note-Off) I have an email HOWTO for the Per/Ricky method. I'm going to forward it to the list, but apologies if the HTML and screenshots don't format. ..and apologies to digest readers. I can send it direct to anyone who wants it. Note though, that most controllers will simply send a Note-Off. Andy ps, this seems to confirm that Ableton is pretty much broken in terms of Midi routing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 10:12:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F87F18348A; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 10:12:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 753961580/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.18.254/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.18.254 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAJKeik9YbRL+/2dsb2JhbAANN7haQD0WGAMCAQIBQSABhg25d4JUi1GDJASbTI0+gVs X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,425,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="753961580" Message-ID: <4F8A9F0F.8040407@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 11:12:31 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [Fwd: loopV in Ableton Live HowTo] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <48lzp.A.VZB.C8piPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 10:12:18 +0000 (UTC) Thanx to Per Boysen and Ricky Graham. HowTo get looping with loopV in Ableton Live. Assuming you have your Midi controller set up correctly, as it would be for hardware EDP. 1)From main menu, Options>Preferences and select MIDI tab for your chosen midi input device, turn 'Track' to On. (e.g. Gordius LG appears as 'USB audio Device' here) That will route your midi controller direct to the Live Midi tracks, bypassing any need to Midi Learn through Ableton itself. 2) the Audio tab in Preferences is where to go if you need to set up your audio interface. There's a useful test tone for the output, and a "Hardware Setup" button to access your audio interface. Test tone should be nice and pure, if it's a glitchy it's time to increase your buffer size. 3)By default, Ableton starts up with one Audio and one Midi track. That's what you need. 4) Put loopV on an audio track. if Looplug isn't there you need to put it in Live's VST plugin folder. (or Preferences>File Folder and tell Live where to look) 5) Make sure View>In/Out is ticked (it's not by default) 6)Now the tracks look like this Audio From needs to be "Ext In" then your desired audio input channel. (stereo if you like) Monitor "In" for both tracks. Midi To should be "Audio-1" Then it looks like this. Midi From...select if needed 7) Right , off you go then. Your midi controller should now be able to do Button Presses, CC for Feedback etc, and change Preset (Locals) by ProgCh. andy Mathons From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 10:17:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDBF2183479; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 10:17:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=X8B0xiRvvkPmw2tFpe3FK6rIFOeA69rYmGTxm2h2AVM=; b=eqby364bEBl7/X28BojD2egJnQJzwvVtql68vSsRWPrs12NFNZMQybmquoqZ08PS7h VyTZB8YooqDrZSpk+NUKgCYALDnTVhvTbgSWv12c68XRGdw/avYclqbmr/wcuS8QqyH9 Pu9Grj6ejMhjg9cDIGvBb3sp1gSGr97l/6hQqeh4ZUIE1G1J3FogcRE2xdwx4+yKmC2a ENSRKkLDVorCz/u21y/B4qt+4IuCIEH6zSL4IDM362YCOTZUR+otYsryM5OSxiSPWJkD YDmYNB8H1pS6Xhxfp/nnGQQOu4D1XvrHsgMNHl4n2Np9lHpTPguE17H2jC4LMBZcPeQl lXRg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4F8A9F09.3030605@tiscali.co.uk> References: <1228EBDB-D100-45E7-AC8A-5ECD8609B5C4@gmail.com> <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEFD47@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> <4F89D83D.40605@tiscali.co.uk> <4F8A9F09.3030605@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 11:17:30 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius Baffling Phase 3 From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 10:17:31 +0000 (UTC) which is why i don't route my midi commands through ableton to mobius. i just set up mobius to listen directly. no problems whatsoever. > ps, this seems to confirm that Ableton is pretty much broken > in terms of Midi routing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 10:28:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87BD7183473; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 10:28:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F8AA2CC.80008@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 03:28:28 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers Delight Subject: Re: Re: a dream about looping that I had that I wonder if it can come true References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 10:28:34 +0000 (UTC) On 4/13/12 5:09 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > "And yes, there's an Electro-Haromix effect called the "Freeze", which > makes an instant indefinite drone out of whatever it hears when you > hit the switch." > > There is a really beautiful VST effect by the very creative sound designer in the UK, Oli Larkin, called 'DroneBox' that I use a lot that allows you to pick specific pitches in audio content and when those sine waves are present, they will drone........it means you can drone entire chords (whose individual pitch volumes are constrainable........You can make a drum beat sound like it has a tambora underneath it. It sounds delicious on guitars and other string instruments. It is not, unfortunately, a real time device but I don't see why someone couldn't invent such a peddle. I could use hella uses for it in live looping. > > Shoot, I just went and investigated and it is apparently not being sold right now.........Dang. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 10:34:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B0C7183477; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 10:34:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=HLnA+pdVVlP/HBnDtUmDWArsTgPo/ukKDie9dE03sBo=; b=UFX/zNTR0dQRVJ0pcUk8fPLTTV1GsLtLnMwRnX6iaj2oO30hZKZASRfnOaPw6UcAOl TbU1i41dbTL5ZIw3oaPARJCNFWpfUyah+7LCa0QmjMDvWLjAxrwIcpRLE5NlF0vEJa6L W7vde3aZLSYi035gAVH84av08vOqVkp0H+t+TFsHN/+OGIwn4hjN9MWBtewgA3XK5OKw f/uCWlwWNnghSzcNCcNsj9q2Ktz5JcHpuFmEk1lWc9+s0epFis/SiQN39r7O/tpNmlsK 2ZD21f05RxVnVNP4FJZATiHSZ1+fY5qmKbF18uYqM1la90TOsf5XfAre5vYhpcOoZ40E 5jRQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:34:47 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Not much looping From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopergroup Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c45bc392ce604bdb541dc Resent-Message-ID: <2065ND.A.AyB.JRqiPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 10:34:49 +0000 (UTC) --0015174c45bc392ce604bdb541dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 but helluva trio = http://www.livestream.com/iridiumlive/video?clipId=pla_484120b0-a6b7-4961-98d3-ee59bc55b615&utm_source=lslibrary&utm_medium=ui-thumb -- Petri --0015174c45bc392ce604bdb541dc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable but helluva trio =3D

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--0015174c45bc392ce604bdb541dc-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 10:42:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2E66183475; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 10:42:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=BI14krggUbm32kVCfcZM0GpVqQbzKg5qimVwIOIrqVc=; b=NpjQE9iuYWiDjXUBAS6uLwjkLK5xJgRrXwE9lJDFucYLD0TweKHEp/5HYdquBm1qCx hP3j1hc8CGn92OB4IepjjbBvMW8nywctxmIsDh7fq85bQTlSqfpRS0mbBT+OU8dTlg7Z ZQj+n4e+qmvxTUZ5tOtVKcPoiAA2PWrb6j/rST4LjK5s+5EQZDOym5bM/g7W956ukTbQ 3WxsOZjUItEcE4QUS2rYcO+E7AZVqKpNLTD5qgZVzCcD6xmCDv5Y6sx7ZDvc7dg2Am2g N4DgGNsumwRKQE5E/4xzBKi0Ym3zDq+c3wsvn/yfXP92Fo6cvtmEQbRhiHqLzIczb7dS fv2w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F8A9F09.3030605@tiscali.co.uk> References: <1228EBDB-D100-45E7-AC8A-5ECD8609B5C4@gmail.com> <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEFD47@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> <4F89D83D.40605@tiscali.co.uk> <4F8A9F09.3030605@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 12:42:51 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius Baffling Phase 3 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 10:42:52 +0000 (UTC) The mentioned "Per/Ricky method walk-through" may emanate from some post where I explained how to route MIDI through different levels of Live. But please note that I do not do that myself regarding Mobius! I use the dirt simple direct routing method. I'm in Sim's team here. There is one exception where I route MIDI for Mobius through the host. That is when I run Mobius host synced in Logic and want to record both my source audio and MIDI commands for Mobius. But this is not something for stage activities, it is a pure studio method for catching a live looping performance rather than its resulting audio output. The point is to mock around with the performance. As a funny matter of fact this is where Ableton Live started once upon a time, long before it became the bloated DAW wannabe of today :-)) If you hit "Record" in Live it doesn't record audio, it starts recording MIDI and mixer actions, anything you change in the software audio playback gets recorded. A perfect remix tool. You perform a remix of pre recorded audio and then go back and edit the remix performance. Per On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, andy butler wrote: > Phil Clevenger wrote: >> >> I did note in previous mail that a Note On/ Note Off pair has not worked >> for >> me when passing MIDI thru Live to Echoloop VST, but that passing two> >> Note On messages, both at 127 (not 127 and 0), is working very well. > > > Thanks for that Phil, you indeed said "both at 127" and I missed it. > > I'm not sure that it *should* work though...forwarding to Matt. > (of course, as it's needed for Ableton I guess this behaviour > shouldn't be changed in Echoloop, though it's possible there's other > bad consequences for responding to Note-On as if it were note-Off) > > > I have an email HOWTO for the Per/Ricky method. > > I'm going to forward it to the list, but apologies if the HTML and > screenshots don't format. > ..and apologies to digest readers. > > I can send it direct to anyone who wants it. > > Note though, that most controllers will simply send a Note-Off. > > Andy > ps, this seems to confirm that Ableton is pretty much broken > in terms of Midi routing. > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 11:01:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9765F183473; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 11:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EWIEqgA/6UXlSp3dVDpwY6UlCNfiXPYto8YubwbcldQ=; b=z/CfELGOEGvag0C2Du33yKdnbq7JRHA1I8rCPM9yHcFHGWH00a6k6uWy+k3yRRml3n jkGQytOLm1Nxzh5kt4GoHOr+hzUzMN3A9QrQolSt3foxVVQUpD4K+HPIknDQ9pC+Joiv rT5cSF+TGPN8preZiEHa9jEuvmqGAk78wpGTY9I5RmknmbkgXhROyF3RVpr0MWgcVTVm GCFF/UHepccCDthcAViVYwNkguz45twXVO8xhIB9u8bOGHtytMkDmvcnKxSoSAh8f6TO nUGkKBRUyOzkwREDmXjb02o6EkdIs+/b+9s5BerHaxlZgs2nKKy7iiyh+A3czu2VurZQ r8FA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5130E974-4A5D-45CC-9D13-A3A49D1E6392@gmail.com> References: <5130E974-4A5D-45CC-9D13-A3A49D1E6392@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:01:35 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The Dark Side of Live (Ableton) and the goodies From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 11:01:36 +0000 (UTC) well, I used the word "click" with no further explanation but I guess what I meant was more like "pre recorded". You know, "the click" doesn't need to be rhythmical. In the duo with Erdem we do concerts using our whole album as "the click" to improvise around. I found a Max For Live "visual metronome" that blinks the tempo for the parts where "the click" flows non rhythmical. Per On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 3:01 AM, Todd Matthews wrote= : > Per, playing to a click! Woah. I never thought I would read that statemen= t. It does like a good idea though to make yourself work in a new way. > > Thanks for the reports. I've been doing a bunch of experimenting with my = looping setup lately(In Mainstage as well) so I will definitely give Live a= solid test run again. > -------------------- > Todd Matthews > toddbass.com > twitter: gtodd876 > > On Apr 14, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I just want to report on my happiness and frustration with using >> Ableton Live as my looper host. On the happy side is that I'm finding >> Live 8.3 way more CPU efficient than my other two usual host >> applications Plogue Bidule and Mainstage. The dark side is that Live >> is no good when slaved by MIDI Clock to a hosted looper plugin. This >> setup causes regular audio dropouts. That's not fun since I'm a big >> fan of "trash-looping" where you instantly delete and rebuild the loop >> during a performance, resulting in constant tempo changes. I've done >> many tests and it just doesn't work in Live. So I'm now trying to >> learn how to adapt to the click and still stay creative with my >> looping. But there are other goodies in Live - one important fun >> factor is that you can bring in sequencing and set up random scripted >> slicing of canned loops playback along with the live looping. And the >> option to record multiple channels at 24/48 suits me fine (Bidule can >> do that too). Thanks to Max For Live I found a good tuner plugin as >> well, which comes in handy with a 12 stringed instrument :-) =C2=A0and I >> have also discovered that Live's own "Amp and Cabinet" plugin sounds >> ok for Stick and guitar. Not as good to my ears as the Amp Designer in >> Mainstage and not as good as Amplitube 3 but in the recent version >> Amplitube 3 tends to crash host applications or render saved documents >> corrupt. >> >> Bottom line is I'm happy with Live now. >> >> I'm also fine with saving the wildest sessions for Mainstage. >> Mainstage is less CPU efficient but as long as you stay under the red >> zone it works flawlessly as a slave, MIDI Clock synced host >> application for a looper. You can just trash everything in Mobius and >> start a new loop while the music is going and Mainstage smoothly >> adapts to the new tempo without an audio glitch while you hear all >> delays and termolo stuff slowing/speeding into the new tempo. Very >> cool. I will miss that in Live. Live may become my suit-and-tie-job >> host app and Mainstage my party-on host ;-)) =C2=A0Nothing bad in that, = as >> long as you are aware about it. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 15:01:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDE5A183474; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 15:01:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2mOclYD12XOdnsuzcx/gWfW+4Ey30JleWl2dHXfj2d0=; b=bxTqb5chp42AVDgP2XrAY8b3Bcof8OevfF8pY72se2is4NlZioEOsCC6yCMnCEssSM 68Teo8bu4jYLdVqPi4l/jziFKvfrnA2VIXCh/PN3vwchXKx7j0zMvbQYUxdPMrahRviT NbcN0+NMz+njCRxdIBb772AipUDQwns6XpXRWevMwu0y3Z/6cifnUvCc1CGVjcl0IQd/ g/LEVWz579Yp40VMHSllcRC8vl8GGP+nqjMBScRJg8ql0340IQxBnzXlILOdP62afZQY /970r+3UZqPRXPvmaI9NtCuS77JxLry2l8Y3zmLQZ1RS8zw+yeLxS5cwBUG7YaLvfTPS mxhw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <5130E974-4A5D-45CC-9D13-A3A49D1E6392@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 11:01:23 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The Dark Side of Live (Ableton) and the goodies From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 15:01:24 +0000 (UTC) What buffer size are you running at when looping? R On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 7:01 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > well, I used the word "click" with no further explanation but I guess > what I meant was more like "pre recorded". You know, "the click" > doesn't need to be rhythmical. In the duo with Erdem we do concerts > using our whole album as "the click" to improvise around. I found a > Max For Live "visual metronome" that blinks the tempo for the parts > where "the click" flows non rhythmical. > > Per > > > > On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 3:01 AM, Todd Matthews wro= te: >> Per, playing to a click! Woah. I never thought I would read that stateme= nt. It does like a good idea though to make yourself work in a new way. >> >> Thanks for the reports. I've been doing a bunch of experimenting with my= looping setup lately(In Mainstage as well) so I will definitely give Live = a solid test run again. >> -------------------- >> Todd Matthews >> toddbass.com >> twitter: gtodd876 >> >> On Apr 14, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I just want to report on my happiness and frustration with using >>> Ableton Live as my looper host. On the happy side is that I'm finding >>> Live 8.3 way more CPU efficient than my other two usual host >>> applications Plogue Bidule and Mainstage. The dark side is that Live >>> is no good when slaved by MIDI Clock to a hosted looper plugin. This >>> setup causes regular audio dropouts. That's not fun since I'm a big >>> fan of "trash-looping" where you instantly delete and rebuild the loop >>> during a performance, resulting in constant tempo changes. I've done >>> many tests and it just doesn't work in Live. So I'm now trying to >>> learn how to adapt to the click and still stay creative with my >>> looping. But there are other goodies in Live - one important fun >>> factor is that you can bring in sequencing and set up random scripted >>> slicing of canned loops playback along with the live looping. And the >>> option to record multiple channels at 24/48 suits me fine (Bidule can >>> do that too). Thanks to Max For Live I found a good tuner plugin as >>> well, which comes in handy with a 12 stringed instrument :-) =A0and I >>> have also discovered that Live's own "Amp and Cabinet" plugin sounds >>> ok for Stick and guitar. Not as good to my ears as the Amp Designer in >>> Mainstage and not as good as Amplitube 3 but in the recent version >>> Amplitube 3 tends to crash host applications or render saved documents >>> corrupt. >>> >>> Bottom line is I'm happy with Live now. >>> >>> I'm also fine with saving the wildest sessions for Mainstage. >>> Mainstage is less CPU efficient but as long as you stay under the red >>> zone it works flawlessly as a slave, MIDI Clock synced host >>> application for a looper. You can just trash everything in Mobius and >>> start a new loop while the music is going and Mainstage smoothly >>> adapts to the new tempo without an audio glitch while you hear all >>> delays and termolo stuff slowing/speeding into the new tempo. Very >>> cool. I will miss that in Live. Live may become my suit-and-tie-job >>> host app and Mainstage my party-on host ;-)) =A0Nothing bad in that, as >>> long as you are aware about it. >>> >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> www.perboysen.com >>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 15:35:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17B6D183466; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 15:35:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IAu1FnLM9aVHRFIwknaiS+FVBoKErQUSAa62xnDjbtA=; b=MWjEKpc8xovwGNLTDEjnQu5WVl5Ctv/snTgq2ODwoyzSauHzr02neyabos8voVuCjf DD16TdMWCw3P2PP07VloPxDicIMWHz5u9+B6ziiaK4rjPnnMJgyBS/qtBNQfJUi1g7T5 fsMq+YxZ3H90e9mZp8cN4mJAeL16qthmAT8zQKs76JLklJgNYEdENS8KFxIqzM29wK/5 6QlLX19RdcnvUgzHH5IVVCx+yad5DFzKOJd70vM+9DHpaLpOwaHP8qgUkGt8F39m07kJ t/QG/miYWwjjNjN4sdbExD82YZMWI5RP5z4v06IMmNvVyHcK9CXQz8txKq9r/jIw9M0x W3HA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <5130E974-4A5D-45CC-9D13-A3A49D1E6392@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 17:35:28 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The Dark Side of Live (Ableton) and the goodies From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 15:35:28 +0000 (UTC) 128 samples in the host. Sometimes I go with 256 in Bidule (only to save CPU tax), but that's a bit too much latency for my taste. In Mobius I don't set any buffer these days since I don't use it in standalone mode any more, only as a plugin. The drop-outs of Live (in slave sync mode) I mentioned probably has to do with its plugin latency compensation. It used to be active when running in master sync mode but not in slave sync mode. Following the evolution of Live (since starting to use it at 2.0) t seems to me that these late drop-out issues have come with Live's increased CPU efficiency. So maybe it is a logical trade-off from the new code? Mainstage and Bidule doesn't do any plugin latency compensation because they are designed only for real-time stream processing. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > What buffer size are you running at when looping? > > R > > > On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 7:01 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> well, I used the word "click" with no further explanation but I guess >> what I meant was more like "pre recorded". You know, "the click" >> doesn't need to be rhythmical. In the duo with Erdem we do concerts >> using our whole album as "the click" to improvise around. I found a >> Max For Live "visual metronome" that blinks the tempo for the parts >> where "the click" flows non rhythmical. >> >> Per >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 3:01 AM, Todd Matthews wr= ote: >>> Per, playing to a click! Woah. I never thought I would read that statem= ent. It does like a good idea though to make yourself work in a new way. >>> >>> Thanks for the reports. I've been doing a bunch of experimenting with m= y looping setup lately(In Mainstage as well) so I will definitely give Live= a solid test run again. >>> -------------------- >>> Todd Matthews >>> toddbass.com >>> twitter: gtodd876 >>> >>> On Apr 14, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I just want to report on my happiness and frustration with using >>>> Ableton Live as my looper host. On the happy side is that I'm finding >>>> Live 8.3 way more CPU efficient than my other two usual host >>>> applications Plogue Bidule and Mainstage. The dark side is that Live >>>> is no good when slaved by MIDI Clock to a hosted looper plugin. This >>>> setup causes regular audio dropouts. That's not fun since I'm a big >>>> fan of "trash-looping" where you instantly delete and rebuild the loop >>>> during a performance, resulting in constant tempo changes. I've done >>>> many tests and it just doesn't work in Live. So I'm now trying to >>>> learn how to adapt to the click and still stay creative with my >>>> looping. But there are other goodies in Live - one important fun >>>> factor is that you can bring in sequencing and set up random scripted >>>> slicing of canned loops playback along with the live looping. And the >>>> option to record multiple channels at 24/48 suits me fine (Bidule can >>>> do that too). Thanks to Max For Live I found a good tuner plugin as >>>> well, which comes in handy with a 12 stringed instrument :-) =C2=A0and= I >>>> have also discovered that Live's own "Amp and Cabinet" plugin sounds >>>> ok for Stick and guitar. Not as good to my ears as the Amp Designer in >>>> Mainstage and not as good as Amplitube 3 but in the recent version >>>> Amplitube 3 tends to crash host applications or render saved documents >>>> corrupt. >>>> >>>> Bottom line is I'm happy with Live now. >>>> >>>> I'm also fine with saving the wildest sessions for Mainstage. >>>> Mainstage is less CPU efficient but as long as you stay under the red >>>> zone it works flawlessly as a slave, MIDI Clock synced host >>>> application for a looper. You can just trash everything in Mobius and >>>> start a new loop while the music is going and Mainstage smoothly >>>> adapts to the new tempo without an audio glitch while you hear all >>>> delays and termolo stuff slowing/speeding into the new tempo. Very >>>> cool. I will miss that in Live. Live may become my suit-and-tie-job >>>> host app and Mainstage my party-on host ;-)) =C2=A0Nothing bad in that= , as >>>> long as you are aware about it. >>>> >>>> Greetings from Sweden >>>> >>>> Per Boysen >>>> www.perboysen.com >>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>>> >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 16:01:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD263183473; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 16:01:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=yAz/7xc5sZ79XFsoq4Dw91UgS/aycIgggUwMmj+x51A=; b=FkZVLqS235T4s90PgHNsCGioK6akYtvKpscDH1qA1QQSfIzx0XDbuBqk+8Ggm0jtxQ 1FQpvNnoDVLs6gsJS0uMyxh1ukRfGIVjFIBEfkbyerot8t5AS++Nrv9vWrJzXeAf2CCE P1vkOenb9ARGrtvSzqDLgqhl6KfLfOKGC/kCOvUR60K3Jb0krsd56RAz18IY7UNHL5nc IA1OwYDRbcw09dlI4dBxwVxmaneLtQ09Hz1d2MFnikGS8aoLKL+IAJT/LY7KIXttf9Mc PpIBhGHp9N9YcAPD3ll0GdZYxVfO+sccDhdnXtZPRMAPvEGLRPF204etO795hVqaue0d WCag== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4F8A9F0F.8040407@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4F8A9F0F.8040407@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:00:58 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: q5ehq9Z55jBe4O_96IgtCUWLfUg Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Fwd: loopV in Ableton Live HowTo] To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f235261f5a0a104bdb9d075 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 16:01:20 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f235261f5a0a104bdb9d075 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 THAT was "clipped to Evernote" Thanks Andy... (per and ricky) On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, andy butler wrote: > > > Thanx to Per Boysen and Ricky Graham. > > > > HowTo get looping with loopV in Ableton Live. > Assuming you have your Midi controller set up correctly, > as it would be for hardware EDP. > > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --e89a8f235261f5a0a104bdb9d075 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable THAT was "clipped to Evernote"

Thanks Andy... (per and ri= cky)

On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, an= dy butler <a= kbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


Thanx to Per Boysen and Ricky Graham.



HowTo get looping with loopV in Ableton Live.
Assuming you have your Midi controller set up correctly,
as it would be for hardware EDP.





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--e89a8f235261f5a0a104bdb9d075-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 17:00:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7BAA183475; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 17:00:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SKBuTUhy8w1Ull0rM9gPRRmWYN7nBQn6a6d8m1Frdkw=; b=XbnkOe0MAXZODnG/GV7fI2zjCsmxkhTVO5e9QpjIYqqKf5elNayEWM8k2X/1c7o4T8 vFDGpIw2mCH/YzNncoYljVzz/c74b4n+hzHxrv2ps1OLuXXMQ2zqiG1XamD+TypmesLL 3jZ7Hg5ofakzlPbeD+A3UV2GpOpz2xoGOIF+kY4wUl8++F8hSgr0Yy3R9EQ33EIF7UuQ v1LlHNzz847Mbq1Qn6Z5YDXB/zO4lohVLx5vFSL8282T7ZHNrx/aiC/UnqrAolyU0sNv z5cN0tXx0331jL2SsyBVRAzsnF1Vjz+2cMB1h5R6RL8FVvtORhF3UL/I7tswOc2D1+U0 qZUQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <5130E974-4A5D-45CC-9D13-A3A49D1E6392@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:00:05 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The Dark Side of Live (Ableton) and the goodies From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 17:00:08 +0000 (UTC) It may be a matter of tweaking audio chunk processing relative to your set. If you have some spare CPU head room, perhaps try a higher sample rate and larger buffer size. I know 128 is prob the minimum concerning latency but you can take a rather unorthodox approach and use the drive compensation error function; granted that is not what it is there for. This article from SOS may be of help: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan05/articles/qa0105-3.htm Ricky On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > 128 samples in the host. Sometimes I go with 256 in Bidule (only to > save CPU tax), but that's a bit too much latency for my taste. In > Mobius I don't set any buffer these days since I don't use it in > standalone mode any more, only as a plugin. > > The drop-outs of Live (in slave sync mode) I mentioned probably has to > do with its plugin latency compensation. It used to be active when > running in master sync mode but not in slave sync mode. Following the > evolution of Live (since starting to use it at 2.0) t seems to me that > these late drop-out issues have come with Live's increased CPU > efficiency. So maybe it is a logical trade-off from the new code? > > Mainstage and Bidule doesn't do any plugin latency compensation > because they are designed only for real-time stream processing. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Ricky Graham > wrote: >> What buffer size are you running at when looping? >> >> R >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 7:01 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >>> well, I used the word "click" with no further explanation but I guess >>> what I meant was more like "pre recorded". You know, "the click" >>> doesn't need to be rhythmical. In the duo with Erdem we do concerts >>> using our whole album as "the click" to improvise around. I found a >>> Max For Live "visual metronome" that blinks the tempo for the parts >>> where "the click" flows non rhythmical. >>> >>> Per >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 3:01 AM, Todd Matthews w= rote: >>>> Per, playing to a click! Woah. I never thought I would read that state= ment. It does like a good idea though to make yourself work in a new way. >>>> >>>> Thanks for the reports. I've been doing a bunch of experimenting with = my looping setup lately(In Mainstage as well) so I will definitely give Liv= e a solid test run again. >>>> -------------------- >>>> Todd Matthews >>>> toddbass.com >>>> twitter: gtodd876 >>>> >>>> On Apr 14, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I just want to report on my happiness and frustration with using >>>>> Ableton Live as my looper host. On the happy side is that I'm finding >>>>> Live 8.3 way more CPU efficient than my other two usual host >>>>> applications Plogue Bidule and Mainstage. The dark side is that Live >>>>> is no good when slaved by MIDI Clock to a hosted looper plugin. This >>>>> setup causes regular audio dropouts. That's not fun since I'm a big >>>>> fan of "trash-looping" where you instantly delete and rebuild the loo= p >>>>> during a performance, resulting in constant tempo changes. I've done >>>>> many tests and it just doesn't work in Live. So I'm now trying to >>>>> learn how to adapt to the click and still stay creative with my >>>>> looping. But there are other goodies in Live - one important fun >>>>> factor is that you can bring in sequencing and set up random scripted >>>>> slicing of canned loops playback along with the live looping. And the >>>>> option to record multiple channels at 24/48 suits me fine (Bidule can >>>>> do that too). Thanks to Max For Live I found a good tuner plugin as >>>>> well, which comes in handy with a 12 stringed instrument :-) =A0and I >>>>> have also discovered that Live's own "Amp and Cabinet" plugin sounds >>>>> ok for Stick and guitar. Not as good to my ears as the Amp Designer i= n >>>>> Mainstage and not as good as Amplitube 3 but in the recent version >>>>> Amplitube 3 tends to crash host applications or render saved document= s >>>>> corrupt. >>>>> >>>>> Bottom line is I'm happy with Live now. >>>>> >>>>> I'm also fine with saving the wildest sessions for Mainstage. >>>>> Mainstage is less CPU efficient but as long as you stay under the red >>>>> zone it works flawlessly as a slave, MIDI Clock synced host >>>>> application for a looper. You can just trash everything in Mobius and >>>>> start a new loop while the music is going and Mainstage smoothly >>>>> adapts to the new tempo without an audio glitch while you hear all >>>>> delays and termolo stuff slowing/speeding into the new tempo. Very >>>>> cool. I will miss that in Live. Live may become my suit-and-tie-job >>>>> host app and Mainstage my party-on host ;-)) =A0Nothing bad in that, = as >>>>> long as you are aware about it. >>>>> >>>>> Greetings from Sweden >>>>> >>>>> Per Boysen >>>>> www.perboysen.com >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 17:02:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B433183477; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 17:02:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BigFish: PS0(zzzz1202hzz8275bhc704dhz2fh2a8h668h839h944hd25h) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.234.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:SN2PRD0410HT004.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail7-db3: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.234.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.234.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=SN2PRD0410HT004.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Mobius Baffling Phase 3 Thread-Topic: Mobius Baffling Phase 3 Thread-Index: AQHNGgIg4gCQCLm1wkKXm3TP5vf+25aZ3e8AgAAMlQCAAKd6gIAACJLDgAAk8YCAAAIAAIAA6vyAgABjYTQ= Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 17:02:31 +0000 Message-ID: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEFE11@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: ,<1228EBDB-D100-45E7-AC8A-5ECD8609B5C4@gmail.com> <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEFD47@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> <4F89D83D.40605@tiscali.co.uk> ,<4F8A9F09.3030605@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4F8A9F09.3030605@tiscali.co.uk> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [70.113.124.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 17:02:37 +0000 (UTC) [andy]=0A= > ps, this seems to confirm that Ableton is pretty much broken=0A= > in terms of Midi routing.=0A= =0A= Well all I can say is that it's working perfectly here, in both Live=0A= 7.0.12 OS X and 8.2.2 for Windows. I get Note Ons, Note Offs, and if=0A= I merge notes and controls they all come through and the controls are=0A= ignored. Kevin, what version of Live do you have?=0A= =0A= I did some more research on Live's MIDI preferences. The "Track"=0A= knob causes the MIDI to be sent from the input device to the MIDI=0A= tracks. It must be On.=0A= =0A= The "Sync" knob determines whether Live will sync to the MIDI clocks=0A= sent by the device. It doesn't matter what this is since the FCB=0A= isn't sending clocks but I would keep it Off.=0A= =0A= The "Remote" knob determines whether Live will use this device for=0A= Parameter Automation. Parameter automation is a VST concept that=0A= means that MIDI is received by the host and mapped to a parameter that=0A= is exposed by the plugin. When you use parameter automation, the=0A= plugin does not need to receive MIDI, it receives commands from =0A= the host to change the value of a parameter. These changes can=0A= be recorded into a host track and replayed, hence the name "automation".=0A= =0A= Parameter automation is almost always used for simpler effects plugins=0A= that have a set of "knob" parameters that sweep between a range of=0A= values. Volume levels, modulation, distortion, eq, etc. The plugin=0A= does not have to worry about MIDI, it just tells the host about=0A= the available parameters, and you connect MIDI to the paramaeters=0A= in the host. In Live this is done by "Edit MIDI Map". =0A= =0A= You can use parameter automation with Mobius but most people don't=0A= because you have to set it up differently for each host. If you=0A= click the little wrench icon in the MobiusVst2 plugin it will expand=0A= to the right to show the default parameters that Mobius exposes. You=0A= should see Input Level, Output Level, Feedback, Secondary Feedback, =0A= Pan, Selected Track, Quantize Mode, and Switch Quantize. Let me=0A= know if you see anything else in this area. =0A= =0A= [Kevin]=0A= > Well here is the weird thing then; if I only have Track on, Live does=0A= > not recognize the midi controller. If I add remote, it registers the=0A= > signal. No remote, no Midi. Doesn't matter if I have track on or=0A= > not, remote is the only thing that seems to determine if I get=0A= > through.=0A= =0A= This suggests that you are trying to use paramater automation and=0A= not sending MIDI directly to Mobius. There is no need to have Remote=0A= on if you are not using parameter automation. Please send your=0A= mobius.xml file to jeff@circularlabs.com.=0A= =0A= What do you mean by "recognize the MIDI controller"? The only=0A= thing you should see is the level indicator in the MIDI track bouncing =0A= when you press a button, but you need to have the "In" button =0A= under "Monitor" on.=0A= =0A= Do you by any chance have Novation's Automap? It sometimes installs=0A= without asking if you have a Launchpad or another control surface. This=0A= tries to automatically map MIDI events to plugin parameters and it=0A= may be interfering.=0A= =0A= If you have been using an old Live set, create a new one from scratch=0A= to make sure you don't have any random MIDI mappings active. In a Live=0A= audio track right click over the level slider. You should see s menu=0A= contining "Edit MIDI Map". Select this and a "MIDI Mappings" window=0A= should slide into view on the left. This should be empty. If it isn't=0A= then the mappings may be interfering with the MIDI stream. What do you=0A= have here?=0A= =0A= Here's a video that is actually a bit inaccurate, several sources=0A= suggest that "Remote" is used when you want to use "knobs" but that=0A= isn't true, it is used only for parameter automation.=0A= =0A= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DOkC6WZa8nuw=0A= =0A= Here's the most accurate if terse description I could find directly=0A= from Ableton. Scroll down to point 8. =0A= =0A= http://www.ableton.com/pages/faq/midi_sync=0A= =0A= Even this is misleading though. Setting Track to On isn't just for notes,= =0A= it will pass CCs and pitch bend and anything else as well. Otherwise=0A= you couldn't use your mod or pitch wheel. Remote On is ONLY used for=0A= parameter automation which is what Live calls MIDI Mappings.=0A= =0A= Again, in the MIDI Sync preferences page turn off EVERYTHING except the Tra= ck/On button =0A= for the INPUT device you are using. Do not have anything on for OUTPUT dev= ices just=0A= to rule out any weird echo problems. In the Control Surfaces area at the t= op everything=0A= should be "None". Live's MIDI Map window should be empty. Automap if you = have it=0A= should be turned off. We can probably turn some of those things back on i= f you need=0A= them but initially we need to have the purest Live environment we can get t= o determine=0A= the source of the interference.=0A= =0A= In Mobius you should be using the MIDI Control window to create MIDI bindin= gs, check to =0A= make sure the bindings are actually for notes and not the stray CCs that th= e FCB can send.=0A= Check the Plugin Parameters window and make sure you only have the default = set=0A= of controls. There should be no functions in here.=0A= =0A= Jeff=0A= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 19:52:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1CBD183474; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 19:52:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1076900418==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120415195220.2275.18836.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 15:52:21 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: is there anything that can loop a CD? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 19:52:33 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============1076900418== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello.=20I'm=20just=20wondering,=20are=20there=20any=20CD=20players=20or=20= CD=20playing=20software=20that=20can=20play=20 back=20a=20small=20sample=20of=20audio=20from=20a=20CD=20over=20and=20over= =20again;=20a=20quick=20loop? Tyler=20Z --===============1076900418==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 19:56:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05098183466; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 19:56:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 758223300/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.18.254/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.18.254 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAGcni09YbRL+/2dsb2JhbAANNrgnAQEBAwE4NgoGCwshFg8JAwIBAgFFHAGIBbRzglSLUYMkBJtMjT4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,426,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="758223300" Message-ID: <4F8B280D.6050008@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:57:01 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: loopV in Ableton Live HowTo] References: <4F8A9F0F.8040407@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4F8A9F0F.8040407@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 19:56:46 +0000 (UTC) Well, it seems the mailing list ripped out all the screenshots. I'll send direct to anyone who wants the intact version. andy butler wrote: > HowTo get looping with loopV in Ableton Live. > Assuming you have your Midi controller set up correctly, > as it would be for hardware EDP. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 20:11:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00CB8183473; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:11:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 746237991/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.18.254/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.18.254 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBALkqi09YbRL+/2dsb2JhbAANN7gbAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBv2WOJYMkBJtMjT4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,426,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="746237991" Message-ID: <4F8B2B70.2030601@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 21:11:28 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius Baffling Phase 3 References: ,<1228EBDB-D100-45E7-AC8A-5ECD8609B5C4@gmail.com> <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEFD47@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> <4F89D83D.40605@tiscali.co.uk> ,<4F8A9F09.3030605@tiscali.co.uk> <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEFE11@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEFE11@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:11:13 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Larson wrote: > [andy] >> ps, this seems to confirm that Ableton is pretty much broken >> in terms of Midi routing. > > Well all I can say is that it's working perfectly here, in both Live > 7.0.12 OS X and 8.2.2 for Windows. I get Note Ons, Note Offs, yep, I'm sure it was working in 8.1 Dunnow what version Phil is using. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 20:36:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26B4E183477; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:36:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=no3nKGQLnSFUwz89IGzXIL+HMXsHVpwGVh6ah5O55jM=; b=ECUTBEUXihYRRxVw//ygF6mnX2ZKsC2bAvXEgLjW5IWvJ0OFRi4GOYraXdLbg40uTN FeaEtQi+X5WxOX6LtrcFn32nX5bOYWAPzCk6Ctf+rhbYT9yDlR2UkkGUpl8+u0ZwMIN0 T1K9N+pnVyOUSKEX3nyWAMV2YbhiWKQonPSm4Iwra/08wDoxTZFkhSo5SNuyEYd6bSzM HJk/qDLG4Ish5ySzjZukAKiDZKtcqdLrBwOrUfTCJAPfCUV9F1XvySs/Lm5vqAdAGOtv qPm/w8LsCKg8mByjFcT5wDulDip47f8V4BV6+HcbJMnT6h0kC4EfPo6PERIGunrYlJCO gCqw== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Mobius Baffling Phase 3 From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: <4F8B2B70.2030601@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:36:12 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5520D77D-F7F0-4C71-94BB-E9D900A1D161@gmail.com> References: ,<1228EBDB-D100-45E7-AC8A-5ECD8609B5C4@gmail.com> <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEFD47@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> <4F89D83D.40605@tiscali.co.uk> ,<4F8A9F09.3030605@tiscali.co.uk> <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEFE11@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> <4F8B2B70.2030601@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:36:28 +0000 (UTC) This Phil is using 8.2.8. on OSX 10.6.8. Not broken, but not working as expected. Thankfully, it is at least = working :) Phil :) On Apr 15, 2012, at 1:11 PM, andy butler wrote: > Jeff Larson wrote: >> [andy] >>> ps, this seems to confirm that Ableton is pretty much broken >>> in terms of Midi routing. >> Well all I can say is that it's working perfectly here, in both Live >> 7.0.12 OS X and 8.2.2 for Windows. I get Note Ons, Note Offs,=20 >=20 > yep, I'm sure it was working in 8.1 >=20 > Dunnow what version Phil is using. >=20 >=20 > andy >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 20:56:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87DA6183473; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:56:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 487 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:56:53 UTC From: "BC" To: References: <4F8AA2CC.80008@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4F8AA2CC.80008@cruzio.com> Subject: RE: Re: a dream about looping that I had that I wonder if it can come true Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 16:48:47 -0400 Message-ID: <002101cd1b49$27dc6450$77952cf0$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQJ32+hlhFK4amsJqxt9GDyAdawxyAFgWUAmlTvXUPA= Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120326-1, 03/26/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:56:53 +0000 (UTC) I have the zip file of Dronebox if anyone wants it (contact me off-list. I downloaded it as "Donationware" but never even tried it. I'm going to try it tonight. Brian -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 6:28 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Loopers Delight Subject: Re: Re: a dream about looping that I had that I wonder if it can come true On 4/13/12 5:09 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > "And yes, there's an Electro-Haromix effect called the "Freeze", which > makes an instant indefinite drone out of whatever it hears when you > hit the switch." > > There is a really beautiful VST effect by the very creative sound designer in the UK, Oli Larkin, called 'DroneBox' that I use a lot that allows you to pick specific pitches in audio content and when those sine waves are present, they will drone........it means you can drone entire chords (whose individual pitch volumes are constrainable........You can make a drum beat sound like it has a tambora underneath it. It sounds delicious on guitars and other string instruments. It is not, unfortunately, a real time device but I don't see why someone couldn't invent such a peddle. I could use hella uses for it in live looping. > > Shoot, I just went and investigated and it is apparently not being sold right now.........Dang. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 16 01:19:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0B7A183474; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 01:19:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 21:11:11 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video work at Surrealist Show at Amazing Things Art Gallery in Framingham Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <7eMTmD.A.bbB.eO3iPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 01:19:26 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I have two video installations at the Amazing Things second annual surrealist show http://www.amazingthings.org/gallery_show.asp?exhibitID=278 . The reception is Thursday from 7 to 9 PM. Hope to see some of you there. -- "I rang a silent bell ..." -- Robert Hunter "... cast your dancing spell my way, I promise to go under it" -- Bob Dylan My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 16 01:28:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5E14183466; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 01:28:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=4vbjE203FRmEKry4hwlojaMDUKBAvfZCDHhp3dwVYO0=; b=0kVeGOxALtkkhRpV4zkJgOBFJVrF650BL8LPJ3TlV4+yzINsMKTaH/qlSo1B6skRq2 74wdqksgCC0GmQOxbKdj/o/8fOMn5Yxr4/D+it4k63LI+TRpo+xsc8dogOQguxJ1oTvG FRIJLvNTdbTKRYR5QO58qBOP3Gz2F8vca/pVlt2oK8gs63jsMdjSF6iuhVJ7f5HnKnX8 yuYs63dHiyR/FTC6nlttJRpWP9TzJQMEuD/xW6hYfiljN3/adfIL6Jo/HWHam8HfCALr Cil8dxms47KGqGv4u3IX4m9yueti6PhEQ2ss3burpGkIuut4QiASmRiCsekJvDFmEk/J 5V/A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:28:46 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Live/Mobius Detente From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 01:28:48 +0000 (UTC) Well, after following Jeff's last message, I think I have gotten Mobius to work in Live (collective sigh?). I was following the initial advice of a Live advocate who was very much of the notion that mapping everything in live was the way to go. Except when its not apparently. So, for now, I am ready to start manually entering my commands in Mobius and I will let you know that its all working perfectly soon. At least that's the plan. Thanks to everyone who responded. Kevin --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 16 03:36:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7950183465; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 03:36:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F8B93BB.4020005@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 23:36:27 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #784 for April 12, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 03:36:46 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/120412.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #784 April 12, 2012. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/shows/playList.jsp?id=8637 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Wave World. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Another Strange Day On Gonxa" on VFR Records. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/focus.html#apr I also played music by artists appearing soon at the Soundscapes Concert Series; Wave World and Broekhuis, Keller & Schonwalder. http://soundscapes.us PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Steve Roach Tranquility Base Back To Life (Projekt) Broekhuis, Keller Orange & Blue Orange (Manikin) and Schonwalder Dan Pound Life Stages Cocoon (Poundsounds) Brian Parnham Suspended in Plumes See None, Hear None, Speak None (Floating Point) Wave World Another Strange Day Another Strange Day On Gonxa On Gonxa (VFR) Wave World Trip Through the Another Strange Day On Gonxa Umandjei Jungle (VFR) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Wave World The Plains of Another Strange Day On Gonxa Narrdal (VFR) Wave World Trasyyqhu Another Strange Day On Gonxa (VFR) Wave World The Forbidden Temple Another Strange Day On Gonxa of Dev (VFR) Wave World In the Beginning Another Strange Day On Gonxa There Was Xyrrog (VFR) Wave World A Day at the Another Strange Day On Gonxa Flarroon (1 & 2) (VFR) Wave World The Moons Abov Laax Another Strange Day On Gonxa (VFR) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Wave World. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Winds of Laax" on VFR Records. Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/listen on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 16 03:58:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0895183474; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 03:58:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 563 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 03:58:49 UTC X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JYQIUidRAECiNa+jsiaNMIhYElg3H2WoMKCJIGO75f4= c=1 sm=1 a=U-Z6rSdBdPQA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=6wrDOa2Tlcs1iS1ByyX37A==:17 a=fLm6-8v0Na34E7emehMA:9 a=fPAxuWC4UMQyNx3mZocA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=6wrDOa2Tlcs1iS1ByyX37A==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: [Fwd: loopV in Ableton Live HowTo] From: Richard Atkinson In-Reply-To: <4F8B280D.6050008@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:49:44 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8040980D-8B52-4C11-81BF-4F4B36C82422@charter.net> References: <4F8A9F0F.8040407@tiscali.co.uk> <4F8B280D.6050008@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 03:58:49 +0000 (UTC) what is this plugin that you are referring to? On Apr 15, 2012, at 12:57 PM, andy butler wrote: > > Well, it seems the mailing list ripped out all the screenshots. > > I'll send direct to anyone who wants the intact version. > > andy butler wrote: > >> HowTo get looping with loopV in Ableton Live. >> Assuming you have your Midi controller set up correctly, >> as it would be for hardware EDP. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 16 04:15:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63B9418345C; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 04:15:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JYQIUidRAECiNa+jsiaNMIhYElg3H2WoMKCJIGO75f4= c=1 sm=1 a=veT0aMC93I0A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=6wrDOa2Tlcs1iS1ByyX37A==:17 a=_5BBMYZzXJqzjXqb-V4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=6wrDOa2Tlcs1iS1ByyX37A==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: is there anything that can loop a CD? From: Richard Atkinson In-Reply-To: <20120415195220.2275.18836.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:49:15 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7F1948D7-8E4C-44FC-935B-67BE9C8DA1F3@charter.net> References: <20120415195220.2275.18836.levelstar.mail@everest> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 04:15:31 +0000 (UTC) for sure, many of the DJ style cd players have loop functions on them. = I just bought a Stanton C.502 dual cd player (rackmount style with = separate 'controller' interface), and it has looping points on it. I = only bought the unit for cueing canned CD tracks for a dance = performance, but I saw the fun factor in the looping function right = away. Most of my library is digitzed/mp3's now, so I don't use CD's too = much anymore, but I did have the idea of making 5-10 cd's up with loops = and samples on them, and just do DJ style looping back and forth between = the decks. a former list member (r.i.p) Dr. Zvonar did an absolutely killer looping = CD set about 10 years ago at a Looping festival, with a couple of CD = players going into a bank of H3000 Harmonizers, if I remember correctly. = It was super cool, seeing someone just create the craziest wall of = sound, and he was just tossing CD's back and forth into the trays as his = source material.=20 On Apr 15, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Tyler wrote: > Hello. I'm just wondering, are there any CD players or CD playing = software that can play=20 > back a small sample of audio from a CD over and over again; a quick = loop? > Tyler Z >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 16 04:40:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF54C183473; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 04:40:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=KQ2FOuZtLA4C/Wh4rxD3jjKFKHrmCQi7FSyMHJpTBqA=; b=ap6ttZsAAqo7letlwSSGTWj/ed8xFLuY63bZP115YAI7kELxLjY4wVM4MpAjMwlR8Q njmnYcqzvCarlZr/eppIUmHmHdvCfcMtbD2Kd1CYpUab0XnchdQ55FIRsbV0utS5JpbI EyO/886vKs4fEfGd/pNDxD3I8ce/0MaDbXc+XcI8gyQ3pYHQoMYvMMI+IDFiD+P2Pn1F aBU2XqEL3TYf83Vf1WtzDkgjg+YRHylfJg0BtMmy8jA5oNm2z89G/PfjbtNy8wb2ow9g Vrc40QgJj6+rc73HJe9iAe6k8dLqIkRz32UNs7SyC6Xlm0JO3R3lTnCatMWQNJbcq54l pVWA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <8040980D-8B52-4C11-81BF-4F4B36C82422@charter.net> References: <4F8A9F0F.8040407@tiscali.co.uk> <4F8B280D.6050008@tiscali.co.uk> <8040980D-8B52-4C11-81BF-4F4B36C82422@charter.net> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 00:40:54 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: jsS2o680Zg_YXSvCKPex6HpMrjQ Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Fwd: loopV in Ableton Live HowTo] From: Tom Swirly To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff2538c7b027f04bdc46d65 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 04:40:56 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8ff2538c7b027f04bdc46d65 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Richard Atkinson wrote: > what is this plugin that you are referring to? > > I went to make some snarky comment about Googling it - but it ain't there! I'm also curious. --e89a8ff2538c7b027f04bdc46d65 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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I went to make some snarky comment about Googling it - but it= ain't there!

I'm also curious.=C2=A0
--e89a8ff2538c7b027f04bdc46d65-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 16 05:27:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0AAC183466; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 05:27:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BigFish: PS-2(zz9371I1528Izz1202hzz8275bh8275dhz2fh2a8h668h839h944hd25h) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.234.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:SN2PRD0410HT003.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail52-db3: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.234.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.234.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=SN2PRD0410HT003.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: Live/Mobius Detente Thread-Topic: Live/Mobius Detente Thread-Index: AQHNG3BI8JeZmbQuiEGwSvjFS0qiv5ac3j8T Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 05:27:23 +0000 Message-ID: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EF0EB1@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [70.113.124.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 05:27:31 +0000 (UTC) Ah, now we're getting somewhere!=0A= =0A= The vast majority of VST plugins have a relatively small number=0A= of parameters and they are almost always thought of as either knobs=0A= that sweep through a range of values or a toggle switch that is either=0A= on or off. For example a typical distortion plugin would=0A= have knobs for Gain, Trebble, Mid, Bass and a toggle switch for Boost.=0A= =0A= You typically associate parameters that are visually displayed as knobs=0A= with MIDI continuous controllers so you can sweep through the possible=0A= values. And you typically associate parameters that are visually=0A= displayed as toggle switches with MIDI notes, program changes, or CCs=0A= where 0 means Off and >0 means On.=0A= =0A= Mobius is an unusual plugin because most of what you need to do=0A= with MIDI is execute functions like Record, Overdub, etc. You can=0A= expose Mobius functions as plugin parameters, but the host needs=0A= to treat them like a MOMENTARY switch rather than TOGGLE switch.=0A= =0A= Some hosts like Mainstage can do this, but it appears that Live=0A= will always treat parameters associated with a MIDI Note as a toggle =0A= switch. The first press will set the parameter to the highest value=0A= and the second press will set it to the lowest value.=0A= =0A= This is probably why Phil's double-note-on approach worked. The first=0A= Note On sets the parameter to 1 but the Note Off is ignored.=0A= The second Note On sets the parameter to 0. The plugin can't tell=0A= what MIDI events are being used, it just needs to see the parameter=0A= value to go 1 and then back down to 0 within 1/2 second.=0A= =0A= This is one of several reasons why I don't like using Mobius=0A= with host parameter mappings. Most hosts simply don't know=0A= how to deal with a plugin that is a combination of an instrument=0A= (takes MIDI notes, produces audio) and an effect (takes MIDI CCs, =0A= takes audio and produces audio). This debate comes up on the VST=0A= developer forums at least once a year and it is still poorly =0A= understood by the major host vendors.=0A= =0A= The main advantage of letting Mobius handle the MIDI bindings=0A= is that it will behave exactly like it should in any host that=0A= can pass through MIDI unmolested, and you can change hosts=0A= or use Mobius standalone without having to redo all the mappings.=0A= =0A= There are some reasons you might want to use host mappings though. =0A= Hosts may support non-MIDI controllers, specialy designed=0A= control surfaces that need more than simple MIDI mapping to use=0A= effectively, and some support scaling options so a simple MIDI=0A= CC sweep from 0 to 127 can be sent to the plugin with something=0A= other than a linear slope. But that's useful only for Mobius controls=0A= like Input, Output, Feedback, Pan, etc. not for functions.=0A= =0A= Jeff=0A= =0A= =0A= _______________________________________=0A= From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [billowhead@gmail.com]=0A= Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 8:28 PM=0A= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A= Subject: Live/Mobius Detente=0A= =0A= Well, after following Jeff's last message, I think I have gotten=0A= Mobius to work in Live (collective sigh?).=0A= =0A= I was following the initial advice of a Live advocate who was very=0A= much of the notion that mapping everything in live was the way to go.=0A= Except when its not apparently.=0A= =0A= So, for now, I am ready to start manually entering my commands in=0A= Mobius and I will let you know that its all working perfectly soon.=0A= At least that's the plan.=0A= =0A= Thanks to everyone who responded.=0A= =0A= Kevin=0A= =0A= --=0A= Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a=0A= form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.= =0A= =0A= - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)=0A= =0A= Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org=0A= Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos=0A= =0A= =0A= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 16 05:44:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29CF0183465; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 05:44:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 05:44:31 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: In-reply-to: <20120415195220.2275.18836.levelstar.mail@everest> References: <20120415195220.2275.18836.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 00:42:34 -0400 To: Tyler , loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: is there anything that can loop a DVD? was Re: is there anything that can loop a CD? Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 05:44:31 +0000 (UTC) At 3:52 PM -0400 4/15/12, Tyler wrote: >Hello. I'm just wondering, are there any CD players or CD playing >software that can play >back a small sample of audio from a CD over and over again; a quick loop? >Tyler Z -- "I rang a silent bell ..." -- Robert Hunter "... cast your dancing spell my way, I promise to go under it" -- Bob Dylan My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 16 07:40:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3248183460; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 07:40:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: 11-11-11 livelooping album released Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 09:40:17 +0200 Message-ID: <000901cd1ba4$2c1e9280$845bb780$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01CD1BB4.EFA76280" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0bpCtP8IiZlanYTieW4BSme1Dymw== Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: <6xbZoB.A.ItE.oz8iPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 07:40:24 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CD1BB4.EFA76280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://livelooping.bandcamp.com/album/loopers-delight-11-11-11-project Rick Walker=E2=80=99s original project proposal on Looper=E2=80=99s = Delight, posted on October 24, 2011: =E2=80=9CThat everyone on this list who feels like it, sets up their = live looping rig somewhere and on Friday, November 11th at either 11:11 = a.m. or 11:11 p.m. They commence to play and record a live looping piece = of music that last exactly 11 minutes long. Put an alarm clock up in = front of you while you play. This will be an 11 minute piece of music on = 11/11/11 at 11/11 a.m. or 11/11 p.m., wherever one lives=E2=80=9D The project was finally released on Bandcamp, and, not surprisingly, = contains 11 tracks. -Michael =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CD1BB4.EFA76280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

http://livelooping.bandcamp.com/album/loopers-delight-1= 1-11-11-project

Rick Walker=E2=80=99s original project = proposal on Looper=E2=80=99s Delight, posted = on October 24, 2011:

=E2=80=9CThat everyone on this list = who feels like it, sets up their live looping rig somewhere and on = Friday, November 11th at either 11:11 a.m. or 11:11 p.m. They commence = to play and record a live looping piece of music that last exactly 11 = minutes long. Put an alarm clock up in front of you while you play. This = will be an 11 minute piece of music on 11/11/11 at 11/11 a.m. or 11/11 = p.m., wherever one lives=E2=80=9D

The project was finally = released on Bandcamp, and, not surprisingly, = contains 11 tracks.

-Michael

 

------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CD1BB4.EFA76280-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 16 19:10:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5ECC818345D; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 19:10:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=tN6yYH/VCF64XT65QTpcEFNa45SHyy+Gwk3S5M8J2W0=; b=k55svbqrKSxeHVThagHavT6fbHQ2fe8FUzbCWe/nu7pF6biGA6dEqi0tyZJ7vCwdzz DXTLJHSFcWv30qDxaz+GvpgBhDu3t8V1MS9S1BVzUwe0w/OTLhvuHoIwK6yCT8daIw9i UG8NbUoLAqIatHTo0SNcvYMbP6PwdItEyVXueJPVkZ6s6lINvfkMlN+eDHXzNP7qdbSq 4IgRUm8A0W/EyQfkhNwDc2xCTQGEP0P5+EOSUzTTWsQb0/uZZKbZNs9KUStjCsroXbMj YoWSWmqB1W891ZJSvJ0VMIJwUZJfk3rcXj07KPMfi4Oqn39/C+MgwtfGtZwVPp0Hfezk 4oYA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <000901cd1ba4$2c1e9280$845bb780$@de> References: <000901cd1ba4$2c1e9280$845bb780$@de> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:10:08 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 11-11-11 livelooping album released From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9cdc0f90d8fc204bdd09271 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 19:10:09 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9cdc0f90d8fc204bdd09271 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael thanks so much for putting this together. I'm at work and unable to listen to it at much volume but can tell it's a neat body of work plus I love the graphic you created or chose on the BC page. Thanks to Rick for the 'germ' of the idea. I'm glad to have been part of it. Jim On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:40 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > http://livelooping.bandcamp.com/album/loopers-delight-11-11-11-project***= * > > Rick Walker=92s original project proposal on Looper=92s Delight, posted o= n > October 24, 2011:**** > > =93That everyone on this list who feels like it, sets up their live loopi= ng > rig somewhere and on Friday, November 11th at either 11:11 a.m. or 11:11 > p.m. They commence to play and record a live looping piece of music that > last exactly 11 minutes long. Put an alarm clock up in front of you while > you play. This will be an 11 minute piece of music on 11/11/11 at 11/11 > a.m. or 11/11 p.m., wherever one lives=94**** > > The project was finally released on Bandcamp, and, not surprisingly, > contains 11 tracks.**** > > -Michael**** > > ** ** > --=20 --=20 *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. *From Brooklyn To Glindran*, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. --14dae9cdc0f90d8fc204bdd09271 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Michael thanks so much for putting this together.=A0 I'm at work a= nd unable to listen to it at much volume but can tell it's a neat body = of work plus I love the graphic you created or chose on the BC page.
=A0
Thanks to Rick for the 'germ' of the idea.=A0 I&= #39;m glad to have been part of it.
=A0
Jim

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:40 AM, Michael Peter= s <mp@mpeters.de&= gt; wrote:

http://livelooping.bandcamp.com/album/loopers-del= ight-11-11-11-project

Rick Wal= ker=92s original project proposal on Looper=92s Delight, poste= d on October 24, 2011:

=93That everyone on this list who feels like it, se= ts up their live looping rig somewhere and on Friday, November 11th at eith= er 11:11 a.m. or 11:11 p.m. They commence to play and record a live looping= piece of music that last exactly 11 minutes long. Put an alarm clock up in= front of you while you play. This will be an 11 minute piece of music on 1= 1/11/11 at 11/11 a.m. or 11/11 p.m., wherever one lives=94

The project was finally released on Bandcamp<= /span>, and, not surprisingly, contains 11 tracks.

-Michael

=A0




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--=A0
= Tips Across the Waters, a new app fo= r iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording = by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds
from the sale of this CD = will benefit JDRF International.=A0=A0jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

--14dae9cdc0f90d8fc204bdd09271-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 16 19:24:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DA64183477; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 19:24:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=fumwqEGbzel/nh56FckoYQJ43ZfcGX2DW0CMEjSvbEs=; b=SgMJjgj1KwXH3iDsuZX8mByDgpp6PZcE07RVp0Hq3pMoR4v6f/78J2IhkdnVmboC5W NUVQjxQbO6gUY+y/IfTKV4BUBjmr6xcbuL5ZbUp4nvV5UNGpiJ7cuHh+tgBwzasDLvAZ klHeSNJvDzGa2IDHMiyoVUN1iiBcinODL7OwzD4Y1j/2WyVBs8vJ7N/nwNAoI1e4xKX/ 0dqHslhcA/9jKIcXktaBYlyqPUBxriYm0XGw9kZDFWcHCdteSB8uv4tqLJtx6WcE+SgI ubiu0bLlJu8NtK7zSck5KwgIV43GWZSN1zHRuFFLFbavZ/Rtlhfzg3wJfOrL9DDX0S41 998w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 12:24:53 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Deconstructing LP1 LoopBegin and Quant Locations From: Phil Clevenger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: bob@looperlative.com, Phil Clevenger Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04428dc0cea67f04bdd0c6bc Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 19:24:54 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04428dc0cea67f04bdd0c6bc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am trying to understand the LP-1's method for determining the location of loop beginnings and quantized loop sections, especially w/r/t incoming MIDI clock. Imagine the following: *In MIDI Sync mode, with MIDI clock incoming, play a chord or note and let that ring while you initiate a Record operation into (master*) *Track 1. Close the loop when you like.* The content in play at beginLoop marks where the loop begins, every time the loop plays through. *First question: Is it the case that the LP1 has no concept such as EDP's "Switch Quant" which would begin the loop at some point quantized to the incoming clock grid? Put another way: Is it true to say that the LP-1 begins its new loop at an arbitrary point in time, but when we designate the close of the loop, the LP-1 will "round up" the loop such that it ends at a point in time that results in a cycle that repeats at intervals that are integer multiples of the beats or bars delivered by the MIDI clock...? * *Now, create new empty loop same length in Track 2.* Set Q steps to 8, for this example. Now, press your Q-Replace switch a few times, and add bits of content, result should be content quantized to 8ths within the loop. *Second question: In my tests, I get varied results as how the quantized material relates to the beginLoop point.* ** *My assumption would be that, once a loop is created, it would be "pre-quantized," divided into (in this case) eight implicit segments, and when we begin to add quantized content, that content is dumped into the closest bucket. I would also expect that the quantized segments would be positioned relative to either the loopBegin point, or better still, relative to the point on the MIDI clock grid nearest to the loopBegin point. * ** *What I think I am finding, however, is that the quantization divisions may instead be generated relative to that arbitrary point in time where an "add quantized content" event first occurs. It may even be that plus some small delay? So, within the loop, the divisions all add up of course, but cannot be counted upon to align either to loopBegin (another arbitrary point?) or to any incoming MIDI time grid.* Can anyone confirm or deny? Thanks for your brains, Phil :) --f46d04428dc0cea67f04bdd0c6bc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am trying to understand the LP-1's method for determi= ning the location of loop beginnings and quantized loop sections, especiall= y w/r/t incoming MIDI clock.


Imagine the following:


In MIDI Sync mode, with MIDI clock incoming, play a chor= d or note and let that ring while you initiate a Record operation into (mas= ter)=A0Track 1. Close the loop when you like.


The content in play at beginLoop marks where the loop begin= s, every time the loop plays through.


First question: Is it the case that the LP1 has no conce= pt such as EDP's "Switch Quant" which would begin the loop at= some point quantized to the incoming clock grid? Put another way: Is it tr= ue to say that the LP-1 begins its new loop at an arbitrary point in time, = =A0but when we designate the close of the loop, the LP-1 will "round u= p" the loop such that it ends at a point in time that results in a cyc= le that repeats at intervals that are integer multiples of the beats or bar= s delivered by the MIDI clock...?=A0


Now, create new empty loop same length in Track 2.


Set Q steps to 8, for this example.


Now, press your Q-Replace switch a few times, and add bits = of content, result should be content quantized to 8ths within the loop.


Second question: In my tests, I get varied results as ho= w the quantized material relates to the beginLoop point.


My assumption would be that, once a loop is created, it = would be "pre-quantized," divided into (in this case) eight impli= cit segments, and when we begin to add quantized content, that content is d= umped into the closest bucket. I would also expect that the quantized segme= nts would be positioned relative to either the loopBegin point, or better s= till, relative to the point on the MIDI clock grid nearest to the loopBegin= point.


What I think I am finding, however, is that the quantiza= tion divisions may instead be generated relative to that arbitrary point in= time where an "add quantized content" =A0event first occurs. It = may even be that plus some small delay? =A0So, within the loop, the divisio= ns all add up of course, but cannot be counted upon to align either to loop= Begin (another arbitrary point?) or to any incoming MIDI time grid.


Can anyone confirm or deny?


Thanks for your brains,


Phil :)

--f46d04428dc0cea67f04bdd0c6bc-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 16 20:30:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17D7518347A; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:30:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 755176306/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.21.127/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.21.127 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBADOAjE9YbRV//2dsb2JhbAANN7YPAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYgFuTaOJYMkBJtMjT4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,431,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="755176306" Message-ID: <4F8C8152.2090101@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 21:30:10 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Deconstructing LP1 LoopBegin and Quant Locations References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:30:14 +0000 (UTC) Phil Clevenger wrote: > /First question: Is it the case that the LP1 has no concept such as > EDP's "Switch Quant" which would begin the loop at some point quantized > to the incoming clock grid? that's right. Although it will keep tracks that are sync recorded in time with the master track as long as you don't use reverse or mess with the track speed > *Now, create new empty loop same length in Track 2.* if you do this by hitting "Play/Stop" (to create a new empty track) then Q steps seem to come in the right place, ...er..i think... I haven't destruct tested that theory yet. (I'd always got to EDP for Quant Replace, 'cos it works well with Mult) > /Second question: In my tests, I get varied results as how the quantized > material relates to the beginLoop point./ > /What I think I am finding, however, is that the quantization divisions > may instead be generated relative to that arbitrary point in time where > an "add quantized content" event first occurs. It may even be that plus > some small delay? >So, within the loop, the divisions all add up of > course, but cannot be counted upon to align either to loopBegin (another > arbitrary point?) or to any incoming MIDI time grid./ quite possible > Can anyone confirm or deny? hope to do more experiments tomorrow night. 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--e89a8f923ba869d06c04bde06eae-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 17 17:46:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6998183461; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:46:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=j1iVOfMl3c/ZvqM7VwFVXxZQHuAEWaW3fGRmYlgVLNM=; b=dC8GlyV24kR+xWL/6EM87ZSBZcgngXbQ2eR83TvbS89XFe4Dnv280oLQma9JEzvPmA BJD82/LDFrxce0tmhEhCDG/wbTIJz0wtEwC/BqkyvY72e5Tf4paMJj3mt2VIZCR89Uvf CBx7/5k3AqRkauPyAzN75OQwsoGZktJq4l2i5MM5XzfgP8fjriFG/2mQCwnAtMbmjQrd 8knVWrQ4AZJW/2jQNdHnaNAEGqNOqCrLF+ZozvDb4R4M/eTS7TM+sz9Me4HjXH3E5+4Z aWBAOupwPZyP3L41TOop+AQdkAWvnwnQPShscuRAHQYvipIAYnheVYAmAH67cRHy+xSR x4JQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <000901cd1ba4$2c1e9280$845bb780$@de> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:46:24 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 11-11-11 livelooping album released From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c0e9c75fcec04bde3846a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:46:25 +0000 (UTC) --0015174c0e9c75fcec04bde3846a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great!!! downloaded it right away! 2012/4/16 Jim Goodin > Michael thanks so much for putting this together. I'm at work and unable > to listen to it at much volume but can tell it's a neat body of work plus= I > love the graphic you created or chose on the BC page. > > Thanks to Rick for the 'germ' of the idea. I'm glad to have been part of > it. > > Jim > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:40 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > >> http://livelooping.bandcamp.com/album/loopers-delight-11-11-11-project**= * >> * >> >> Rick Walker=92s original project proposal on Looper=92s Delight, posted = on >> October 24, 2011:**** >> >> =93That everyone on this list who feels like it, sets up their live loop= ing >> rig somewhere and on Friday, November 11th at either 11:11 a.m. or 11:11 >> p.m. They commence to play and record a live looping piece of music that >> last exactly 11 minutes long. Put an alarm clock up in front of you whil= e >> you play. This will be an 11 minute piece of music on 11/11/11 at 11/11 >> a.m. or 11/11 p.m., wherever one lives=94**** >> >> The project was finally released on Bandcamp, and, not surprisingly, >> contains 11 tracks.**** >> >> -Michael**** >> >> ** ** >> > > > > -- > -- > *Tips Across the Waters > *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. > > *From Brooklyn To Glindran*, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim > Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds > from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. > jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. > > --=20 Petri --0015174c0e9c75fcec04bde3846a Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great!!! downloaded it right away!

2012/4= /16 Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com>
Michael thanks so much for putting this together.=A0 I'm at work a= nd unable to listen to it at much volume but can tell it's a neat body = of work plus I love the graphic you created or chose on the BC page.
=A0
Thanks to Rick for the 'germ' of the idea.=A0 I&= #39;m glad to have been part of it.
=A0
Jim

On Mon= , Apr 16, 2012 at 3:40 AM, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:=

http://livelooping.bandcamp.com/album/loopers-del= ight-11-11-11-project

Rick Wal= ker=92s original project proposal on Looper=92s Delight, poste= d on October 24, 2011:

=93That everyone on this list who feels like it, se= ts up their live looping rig somewhere and on Friday, November 11th at eith= er 11:11 a.m. or 11:11 p.m. They commence to play and record a live looping= piece of music that last exactly 11 minutes long. Put an alarm clock up in= front of you while you play. This will be an 11 minute piece of music on 1= 1/11/11 at 11/11 a.m. or 11/11 p.m., wherever one lives=94

The project was finally released on Bandcamp<= /span>, and, not surprisingly, contains 11 tracks.

<= p> -Michael

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--0015174c0e9c75fcec04bde3846a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 17 17:47:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E19E183462; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:47:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=SoUdHxHFHErgpBzIrBVBm5kQcHMtonCJTcMaYWjupCc=; b=GYM759AIzVKwiAYCztQylSiMblWqZrJETt/QMt2bm8ZEuLUTup8RGsx4OPTqMZ3FmO sVWID64UAEfHHwlTeHsrcul63Ldp1hxlYNgQ2y4uEzFYLsQ9OOEUu9iN8I4igtxwYk96 qINitnUQrEFoYu+sOBTZ/5OnYaYZIoEyUBZ6D4N+JXO+BucqkjHTlPEpcjVrH7ZkFBqB b0DPHdL7h3qbW5tDRN7o2qk8DUH3O/cPBbzXGvXj+LK6E91kVL+3vpTH2NjF5B5H+L45 hSTIjL+frtqI2A7HxEHfaUkIpMwKvayKcVxgxOxSx1eiKHZuo3s5ixm2kLDc45GEmSuf QxOA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <000901cd1ba4$2c1e9280$845bb780$@de> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:47:07 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 11-11-11 livelooping album released From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c45bc0e87dd04bde3878d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:47:09 +0000 (UTC) --0015174c45bc0e87dd04bde3878d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Michael for putting this one together! 2012/4/17 Petri Lahtinen > Great!!! downloaded it right away! > > > 2012/4/16 Jim Goodin > >> Michael thanks so much for putting this together. I'm at work and unabl= e >> to listen to it at much volume but can tell it's a neat body of work plu= s I >> love the graphic you created or chose on the BC page. >> >> Thanks to Rick for the 'germ' of the idea. I'm glad to have been part o= f >> it. >> >> Jim >> >> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:40 AM, Michael Peters wrote: >> >>> http://livelooping.bandcamp.com/album/loopers-delight-11-11-11-project*= * >>> ** >>> >>> Rick Walker=92s original project proposal on Looper=92s Delight, posted= on >>> October 24, 2011:**** >>> >>> =93That everyone on this list who feels like it, sets up their live >>> looping rig somewhere and on Friday, November 11th at either 11:11 a.m.= or >>> 11:11 p.m. They commence to play and record a live looping piece of mus= ic >>> that last exactly 11 minutes long. Put an alarm clock up in front of yo= u >>> while you play. This will be an 11 minute piece of music on 11/11/11 at >>> 11/11 a.m. or 11/11 p.m., wherever one lives=94**** >>> >>> The project was finally released on Bandcamp, and, not surprisingly, >>> contains 11 tracks.**** >>> >>> -Michael**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> *Tips Across the Waters >> *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. >> >> *From Brooklyn To Glindran*, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim >> Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds >> from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. >> jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. >> >> > > > -- > Petri > > > --=20 Petri --0015174c45bc0e87dd04bde3878d Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Michael for putting this one together!

2012/4/17 Petri Lahtinen <kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com>
Great!!! downloaded it right away!
<= br>
2012/4/16 Jim Goodin &l= t;jimgoodinmu= sic@gmail.com>
Michael thanks so much for putting this together.=A0 I'm at work a= nd unable to listen to it at much volume but can tell it's a neat body = of work plus I love the graphic you created or chose on the BC page.
=A0
Thanks to Rick for the 'germ' of the idea.=A0 I&= #39;m glad to have been part of it.
=A0
Jim

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:40 AM, Mic= hael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:

http://livelooping.bandcamp.com/album/loopers-del= ight-11-11-11-project

Rick Wal= ker=92s original project proposal on Looper=92s Delight, poste= d on October 24, 2011:

=93That everyone on this list who feels like it, se= ts up their live looping rig somewhere and on Friday, November 11th at eith= er 11:11 a.m. or 11:11 p.m. They commence to play and record a live looping= piece of music that last exactly 11 minutes long. Put an alarm clock up in= front of you while you play. This will be an 11 minute piece of music on 1= 1/11/11 at 11/11 a.m. or 11/11 p.m., wherever one lives=94

The project was finally released on Bandcamp<= /span>, and, not surprisingly, contains 11 tracks.

<= p> -Michael

=A0




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--0015174c45bc0e87dd04bde3878d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 17 18:07:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F626183462; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:07:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=bt8SE4dtt9eqGrJdUEt3DJjnpTnd1M87oJ+nzlVjUwg=; b=sRB/ST+upaLlkRh/6NFKMiHWm+2OaxXeiTxZjPsX1nkkNcBf89+40uNoKvQK+3h2xI 3173OgXT9wmyOUUsgiX49K1ZwX87OI4ObMHL3+gGVhIJngnPCEL11WksuvYBkYiRQvAe SOpOHgH3kl3xdwcj3RRb4bqdtdx7c714R3AOjwZFj066Hg2OH3I1WwviyLyo8tObZVWX vxUPFmTDwMOzKMr67+t+wHmn49C8/mhrUV4yjpm7hdKX2gd67EMe63qn9kPtDyqiyh/s aSWM/4VPcOC002X/FnTCKbyapJngJ6Wru27X18C8QhzSZf+G4MbM0e1WogHDpeeOhJCb EDXw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F8C8152.2090101@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4F8C8152.2090101@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 11:07:17 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Deconstructing LP1 LoopBegin and Quant Locations From: Phil Clevenger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444024e2502ba04bde3cfb7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:07:19 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0444024e2502ba04bde3cfb7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey Andy :) - Yes, I am creating the second track by using Play/Stop - First track is set as master by default, yes. I have tried so hard to find a way to get the LP1 to play nice with incoming MIDI clock, and I have found some successes; but the quantized workflows seems to be the dead end - I keep going back to EDP/Echoloop for synched, precision, quantize workflows. In fact I am still constantly amazed at the depth, thoughtfulness, and thoroughness of the design and implementation of the EDP its derivatives. The original EDP should be in a museum somewhere covered in awards. A masterwork really :) Phil :) On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1:30 PM, andy butler wrote: > > > Phil Clevenger wrote: > > /First question: Is it the case that the LP1 has no concept such as EDP's >> "Switch Quant" which would begin the loop at some point quantized to the >> incoming clock grid? >> > > that's right. > > Although it will keep tracks that are sync recorded in time > with the master track as long as you don't use reverse or > mess with the track speed > >> *Now, create new empty loop same length in Track 2.* >> > > if you do this by hitting "Play/Stop" (to create a new empty track) > then Q steps seem to come in the right place, > ...er..i think... > I haven't destruct tested that theory yet. > (I'd always got to EDP for Quant Replace, 'cos it works well with Mult) > > /Second question: In my tests, I get varied results as how the quantized >> material relates to the beginLoop point./ >> > > > /What I think I am finding, however, is that the quantization divisions >> may instead be generated relative to that arbitrary point in time where an >> "add quantized content" event first occurs. It may even be that plus some >> small delay? >So, within the loop, the divisions all add up of course, but >> cannot be counted upon to align either to loopBegin (another arbitrary >> point?) or to any incoming MIDI time grid./ >> > > quite possible > > > Can anyone confirm or deny? >> > > hope to do more experiments tomorrow night. > > > > Make sure your track for reference time is set as master > (if you didn't already) > > > andy > > --f46d0444024e2502ba04bde3cfb7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Andy :)

- Yes, I am creating the second track by usi= ng Play/Stop

- First track is set as master by def= ault, yes.

I have tried so hard to find a way to g= et the LP1 to play nice with incoming MIDI clock, and I have found some suc= cesses; but the quantized workflows seems to be the dead end - I keep going= back to EDP/Echoloop for synched, precision, quantize workflows. In fact I= am still =A0constantly amazed at the depth, thoughtfulness, and thoroughne= ss of the design and implementation of the EDP its derivatives. The origina= l EDP should be in a museum somewhere covered in awards. A masterwork reall= y :)

Phil :)

On Mon, Apr 1= 6, 2012 at 1:30 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


Phil Clevenger wrote:

/First question: Is it the case that the LP1 has no concept such as EDP'= ;s "Switch Quant" which would begin the loop at some point quanti= zed to the incoming clock grid?

that's right.

Although it will keep tracks that are sync recorded in time
with the master track as long as you don't use reverse or
mess with the track speed
*Now, create new empty loop same length in Track 2.*

if you do this by hitting "Play/Stop" (to create a new empty trac= k)
then Q steps seem to come in the right place,
...er..i think...
I haven't destruct tested that theory yet.
(I'd always got to EDP for Quant Replace, 'cos it works well with M= ult)

/Second question: In my tests, I get varied results as how the quantized ma= terial relates to the beginLoop point./


/What I think I am finding, however, is that the quantization divisions may= instead be generated relative to that arbitrary point in time where an &qu= ot;add quantized content" =A0event first occurs. It may even be that p= lus some small delay? =A0>So, within the loop, the divisions all add up = of course, but cannot be counted upon to align either to loopBegin (another= arbitrary point?) or to any incoming MIDI time grid./

quite possible


Can anyone confirm or deny?

hope to do more experiments tomorrow night.



Make sure your track for reference time is set as master
(if you didn't already)<= br>

andy


--f46d0444024e2502ba04bde3cfb7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 17 18:18:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB82118345E; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:18:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3ZX3yrGPJ1oOWpekJfJSUwcFgKXDGEKSCXWjLGFfs0U=; b=ccCLKhaLhstiEmqzkyqPz+vZ0zkTpBbQQFz/whMDEViPKg41kag9476pxSlZG+8Y3d 6bkygcXhawyrnrCjx0Ahk7l0k6shqmDVzlwb4xcCL9o3s0YtIKMIkygUqkeivvKAxF0H PYdLkdi05KYMqgYxPkObMuzCfwDAuWDtYsPAH0l3wgxf1nyXsxQGyl4+jyV88VsT9mD9 tC1trB7W90bKmclgn3xcV3r6fX76zV3iHuG8Ms+QXRFABmBIExYfqMigliZN+giHaDBG QRrzq9UoImJx/oWJHXZf0GUwy23vZOAOwK2wCA1rkL90VZkudNN9qPHH9lgJUfpUmXmS qfpQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F8C8152.2090101@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:18:23 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Deconstructing LP1 LoopBegin and Quant Locations From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <72lO0D.A.gME.vPbjPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:18:24 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > The original EDP should be in a museum somewhere covered in awards. A > masterwork really :) I agree. It's a brilliant system. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 17 18:20:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3F1B18345E; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:20:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=6DR2ZdGuUgI+caYAeaXecFtUpM/6mT8aOB+ggdtg8ao=; b=b6cIUN1xM5IVZlkTBAIodNz/od4ujdO/8IypVookt1SKQKKblwOeJspHVX9HZKvBA9 DXKrZXSODLbnoGwWx0P979t8pFcaNbiiWoE1hHwzTG27o59FX1AkOxlyIzN0t8DHN0BG 0o40lYktUTImH8GDukMCjRn7XCRlZHtNM4pnYCS87GIDhcxop+rrGGB8W9gTlJsvIvKI rKMxB9cHkUAvomwFH5SWJHllBvZeHQRImTvYuF7H0hd2KwaA4B1jY+2gkeuuece6228r Bxtz3eAkd0lL29+t0a8rplGmuewdgfi0umolEyt2X1+vhAHmVHsyhE1vsdV2iVp8z0Us PaMA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EF0EB1@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EF0EB1@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 11:20:49 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Live/Mobius Detente From: Phil Clevenger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044268e68ed85c04bde3ff28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:20:50 +0000 (UTC) --f46d044268e68ed85c04bde3ff28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What a great piece, thank you Jeff for the information density :) SO it sounds to me like what I have going is kind of a successful cheat... fooling the host with my double NoteOn scheme. This allows me to map to any of the exposed params of the Echoloop VST using Ableton's MIDI Learn model, and I guess that means the specific note sent for any given command is meaningless - I just need to map a switch to a function via Learn. This would explain certain behavioral anomalies, for instance, I've been puzzled as to why the Echoloop VST responds to controller commands no matter what incoming MIDI channel I've designated in the VST. It also sounds like the better way to do this would be to send the specifically proscribed EDP/Echoloop MIDI Note commands unmolested from the controller directly to the plugin; this is I think what Per and Ricky were advocating with their solution from before. I will try that again this evening... Super helpful info, many thanks Jeff :) Phil :) On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > Ah, now we're getting somewhere! > > The vast majority of VST plugins have a relatively small number > of parameters and they are almost always thought of as either knobs > that sweep through a range of values or a toggle switch that is either > on or off. For example a typical distortion plugin would > have knobs for Gain, Trebble, Mid, Bass and a toggle switch for Boost. > > You typically associate parameters that are visually displayed as knobs > with MIDI continuous controllers so you can sweep through the possible > values. And you typically associate parameters that are visually > displayed as toggle switches with MIDI notes, program changes, or CCs > where 0 means Off and >0 means On. > > Mobius is an unusual plugin because most of what you need to do > with MIDI is execute functions like Record, Overdub, etc. You can > expose Mobius functions as plugin parameters, but the host needs > to treat them like a MOMENTARY switch rather than TOGGLE switch. > > Some hosts like Mainstage can do this, but it appears that Live > will always treat parameters associated with a MIDI Note as a toggle > switch. The first press will set the parameter to the highest value > and the second press will set it to the lowest value. > > This is probably why Phil's double-note-on approach worked. The first > Note On sets the parameter to 1 but the Note Off is ignored. > The second Note On sets the parameter to 0. The plugin can't tell > what MIDI events are being used, it just needs to see the parameter > value to go 1 and then back down to 0 within 1/2 second. > > This is one of several reasons why I don't like using Mobius > with host parameter mappings. Most hosts simply don't know > how to deal with a plugin that is a combination of an instrument > (takes MIDI notes, produces audio) and an effect (takes MIDI CCs, > takes audio and produces audio). This debate comes up on the VST > developer forums at least once a year and it is still poorly > understood by the major host vendors. > > The main advantage of letting Mobius handle the MIDI bindings > is that it will behave exactly like it should in any host that > can pass through MIDI unmolested, and you can change hosts > or use Mobius standalone without having to redo all the mappings. > > There are some reasons you might want to use host mappings though. > Hosts may support non-MIDI controllers, specialy designed > control surfaces that need more than simple MIDI mapping to use > effectively, and some support scaling options so a simple MIDI > CC sweep from 0 to 127 can be sent to the plugin with something > other than a linear slope. But that's useful only for Mobius controls > like Input, Output, Feedback, Pan, etc. not for functions. > > Jeff > > > _______________________________________ > From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [billowhead@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 8:28 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Live/Mobius Detente > > Well, after following Jeff's last message, I think I have gotten > Mobius to work in Live (collective sigh?). > > I was following the initial advice of a Live advocate who was very > much of the notion that mapping everything in live was the way to go. > Except when its not apparently. > > So, for now, I am ready to start manually entering my commands in > Mobius and I will let you know that its all working perfectly soon. > At least that's the plan. > > Thanks to everyone who responded. > > Kevin > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > > > > --f46d044268e68ed85c04bde3ff28 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What a great piece, thank you Jeff for the information density :)

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SO it sounds to me like what I have going is kind of a successful= cheat... fooling the host with my double NoteOn scheme. This allows me to = map to any of the exposed params of the Echoloop VST using Ableton's MI= DI Learn model, and I guess that means the specific note sent for any given= command is meaningless - I just need to map a switch to a function via Lea= rn. This would explain certain behavioral anomalies, for instance, I've= been puzzled as to why the Echoloop VST responds to controller commands no= matter what incoming MIDI channel I've designated in the VST.

It also sounds like the better way to do this would be = to send the specifically proscribed EDP/Echoloop MIDI Note commands unmoles= ted from the controller directly to the plugin; this is I think what Per an= d Ricky were advocating with their solution from before. I will try that ag= ain this evening...

Super helpful info, many thanks Jeff :)

<= /div>
Phil :)


O= n Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:
Ah, now we're getting somewhere!

The vast majority of VST plugins have a relatively small number
of parameters and they are almost always thought of as either knobs
that sweep through a range of values or a toggle switch that is either
on or off. =A0For example a typical distortion plugin would
have knobs for Gain, Trebble, Mid, Bass and a toggle switch for Boost.

You typically associate parameters that are visually displayed as knobs
with MIDI continuous controllers so you can sweep through the possible
values. =A0And you typically associate parameters that are visually
displayed as toggle switches with MIDI notes, program changes, or CCs
where 0 means Off and >0 means On.

Mobius is an unusual plugin because most of what you need to do
with MIDI is execute functions like Record, Overdub, etc. =A0You can
expose Mobius functions as plugin parameters, but the host needs
to treat them like a MOMENTARY switch rather than TOGGLE switch.

Some hosts like Mainstage can do this, but it appears that Live
will always treat parameters associated with a MIDI Note as a toggle
switch. =A0The first press will set the parameter to the highest value
and the second press will set it to the lowest value.

This is probably why Phil's double-note-on approach worked. =A0The firs= t
Note On sets the parameter to 1 but the Note Off is ignored.
The second Note On sets the parameter to 0. =A0The plugin can't tell what MIDI events are being used, it just needs to see the parameter
value to go 1 and then back down to 0 within 1/2 second.

This is one of several reasons why I don't like using Mobius
with host parameter mappings. =A0Most hosts simply don't know
how to deal with a plugin that is a combination of an instrument
(takes MIDI notes, produces audio) and an effect (takes MIDI CCs,
takes audio and produces audio). =A0This debate comes up on the VST
developer forums at least once a year and it is still poorly
understood by the major host vendors.

The main advantage of letting Mobius handle the MIDI bindings
is that it will behave exactly like it should in any host that
can pass through MIDI unmolested, and you can change hosts
or use Mobius standalone without having to redo all the mappings.

There are some reasons you might want to use host mappings though.
Hosts may support non-MIDI controllers, specialy designed
control surfaces that need more than simple MIDI mapping to use
effectively, and some support scaling options so a simple MIDI
CC sweep from 0 to 127 can be sent to the plugin with something
other than a linear slope. =A0But that's useful only for Mobius control= s
like Input, Output, Feedback, Pan, etc. not for functions.

Jeff


_______________________________________
From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [billowhe= ad@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 8:28 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@= loopers-delight.com
Subject: Live/Mobius Detente

Well, after following Jeff's last message, I think I have gotten
Mobius to work in Live (collective sigh?).

I was following the initial advice of a Live advocate who was very
much of the notion that mapping everything in live was the way to go.
Except when its not apparently.

So, for now, I am ready to start manually entering my commands in
Mobius and I will let you know that its all working perfectly soon.
At least that's the plan.

Thanks to everyone who responded.

Kevin

--
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.<= br>
- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision: =A0http://www.minds-eye.org
Video = http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos




--f46d044268e68ed85c04bde3ff28-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 17 19:56:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7AE8183465; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 19:56:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 759590059/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.181.81/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.181.81 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAGzKjU9V0rVR/2dsb2JhbAANN7RNAQEBAwE4QAYLCxgJFg8JAwIBAgFFHAERh3S6EY0/gyQEm06NPw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,438,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="759590059" Message-ID: <4F8DCB06.6010702@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:56:54 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Deconstructing LP1 LoopBegin and Quant Locations References: <4F8C8152.2090101@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 19:56:54 +0000 (UTC) Phil Clevenger wrote: > Hey Andy :) > > - Yes, I am creating the second track by using Play/Stop > > - First track is set as master by default, yes. > > I have tried so hard to find a way to get the LP1 to play nice with > incoming MIDI clock, and I have found some successes; but the quantized > workflows seems to be the dead end I'll look into it when I get the time...right now I'm in new unexpected dayjob culture shock ;-) ...but I'm guessing your assesment is right. I didn't try it with midi sync yet. > The original EDP > should be in a museum somewhere covered in awards. A masterwork really :) forwarded to Matt :-) (and I also think he earned it) The difference in the design approaches is partly that the EDP was put together over many years with each new feature being added only if it fitted perfectly with the existing ones. At every step Matt asked, "what if user does this?" "what's this button going to offer while that's happening". Rather than adding features, this added whole families of interconnected features. The LP1 was designed so that it could be updated with user requests, an equally valid approach but perhaps the reason you find that two of the features you use don't work together (yet?) in the way you'd like. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 19 06:11:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A9CF183474; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 06:11:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=grm3gUwdm4p0lveKruvv221Ezg5i339VqPAQYeHvyFw=; b=UnP5PjKBEe8wDu+KzFRuJazNTgnZ6irIuBbbti6luhVIQR0ajNGkeTlzQcr4Rvfkqx y6bI2hcGHmvLl53M7KF6Ym3Z22DTMQAu7z8tgw5NmOhhB4cAuKn3pr+XC5+xASeUxk9b QgrVC6IH2Z2+5wKIEgyLOUzAFafQeQt9kw97+oA6gEA2/bs2OfhaEmVZXCJSBD5RoqKD 3FrvC1U3e1sq8yfRhumvUl96iwWnWpzz0fRpfjYaCwdS0vJMaQ2hKOUNH64LsYqoQSq2 408RVWq+7GFBNN63O78rXILa1oicszUYoCXyShv5YqxSocQyX8md9kxwDWcCxVaXsv9q kXyA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 23:11:43 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 4:20 LOOP CHALLENGE! :) From: Monzelle Dozier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043d6461bfd83604be020b70 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 06:11:44 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043d6461bfd83604be020b70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 on 3rd thoughts... HERE'S MY SUBMISSION, the one and only ;) would have been fun to open the convo via music, better luck next time :D Anyways.. I Hope we can grow from here... Love, Peace & Positive Manifestations for all of you amazing students & teachers. Thank you for your time & patience! If you'd like enjoy my babbling on my internet soapbox, and watch the funky beat that's kicked ;) On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 4:38 PM, mark francombe wrote: > On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Monzelle Dozier > wrote: > >> LET'S TALK ABOUT IT! > > > On second thoughts, lets not... > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > --f46d043d6461bfd83604be020b70 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable on 3rd thoughts... HERE'S MY SUBMISSION, the one and only ;) would have= been fun to open the convo via music, better luck next time :D Anyways.. I= Hope we can grow from here... Love, Peace & Positive Manifestations fo= r all of you amazing students & teachers. Thank you for your time &= patience! If you'd like enjoy my babbling on my internet soapbox, and = watch the funky beat that's kicked ;)




On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 4:38 PM,= mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Monzelle Dozier <monzelledozier@gmail.com> wrote:
LET'S TALK ABOUT IT!

On second thoughts, le= ts not...
<= br>--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>

--f46d043d6461bfd83604be020b70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 19 06:22:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09742183466; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 06:22:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=jSxItKnWXiPJ65zgtvY6pZYsji8nzEVxwqzx5ShxIFM=; b=bz3M60UisnFlkX/h1umZwWaV5iUYDN59gRiOtvRtGOIsRHbGlsS6f/QAsgnYzATO35 najkgTsx4iol9lLkKdy1+fPKLdsKvF+MRojDWINJGCOTNnlsoEoYaebmXNbdL3qcVCQ9 lI1FT2DAEeLnVr+J4bMtQrupQKgVKJTYTGZou1JLViWyJS6OwTk/U6AJkdUzwapgZKRH hxItupjUF8VoLg/tkXBSXF6CNqSG6FfZuy5VMfa8D8Cluynckcd19c0ffdAvF4ZZnV5A +B4rb4ysHrqHknDQi9Huu7W1uZb/Az/R+hYFNDJZaaWSxGlO1mLPwn6mBu8b7MvF/0eX BNXQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 23:22:46 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 4:20 LOOP CHALLENGE! :) From: Monzelle Dozier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1c1b049d77904be0233f4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 06:22:47 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8ff1c1b049d77904be0233f4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 TAHA!!!! Might need a link :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh4GCrxPNN4 On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Monzelle Dozier wrote: > on 3rd thoughts... HERE'S MY SUBMISSION, the one and only ;) would have > been fun to open the convo via music, better luck next time :D Anyways.. I > Hope we can grow from here... Love, Peace & Positive Manifestations for all > of you amazing students & teachers. Thank you for your time & patience! If > you'd like enjoy my babbling on my internet soapbox, and watch the funky > beat that's kicked ;) > > > > > On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 4:38 PM, mark francombe wrote: > >> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Monzelle Dozier < >> monzelledozier@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> LET'S TALK ABOUT IT! >> >> >> On second thoughts, lets not... >> >> -- >> *Mark Francombe* >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >> >> > --e89a8ff1c1b049d77904be0233f4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable TAHA!!!! Might need a link :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DGh4GCrxPNN4

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Monzelle Dozier <monzelledozier= @gmail.com> wrote:
on 3rd thoughts... HERE'S MY SUBMISSION,= the one and only ;) would have been fun to open the convo via music, bette= r luck next time :D Anyways.. I Hope we can grow from here... Love, Peace &= amp; Positive Manifestations for all of you amazing students & teachers= . Thank you for your time & patience! If you'd like enjoy my babbli= ng on my internet soapbox, and watch the funky beat that's kicked ;)




On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 4:38 PM,= mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Monzelle Dozier <= ;monzelledozi= er@gmail.com> wrote:
LET'S TALK ABOUT IT!

On second thoughts, le= ts not...

--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
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--e89a8ff1c1b049d77904be0233f4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 19 13:58:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD3A2183463; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:58:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 805395.34899.bm@omp1046.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1334843929; bh=IvZtN/vd52ltNVARWnWoO2CTFuOeH5rk3YvJWuF0lKI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rv/a90Pt5j8sbOymoKIdVrJ2gffG4Bagitcw92barTkZMKc7X1j4wXq8eUGfRIWyx68Cjv3oV1PdmdKuxUWPQqubHjodwmMV6cTou3e07MbLILh8jYuV77VlfT6lZNrdvJOtJpiDs7wG0a/NR4LM1aEWroO6GtjVPN3PvudSJ/k= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ripP+UBsbabLYci8aeamKJvCS2ATC8TwxM5A/wbp1fpY0NXk0Uvz6QRNuSo9CABZO4AO8T10+mjsUFhUAWyXmejRrKGr3u6S5hmm3sAKldW3bBfH+TgrcWLNTXmqCvyyEl1yrs0dhdAYGau/WGZkxy81abbBBfyg0grRJa+H9KU=; X-YMail-OSG: 9yaJE0wVM1ne0NnqYvC63qxJkcy4yTu5Taplu0JuezdZbYs PDhnnC3XmXfYjJH9BesO6pDxcqZXaoAI36Ym1LRLXNunr6HJDJPC34mB9D7A _39gLvcSmBYxJYQ.hICmaZBVZyg6dxU3HAvzLtSQfoYY55EBqTDIvwKkJJ3p 5esQRBpN_0sn.k1eg5xOuYX3KYq_tqPhRAw9lnoe.W9KZUVEXMaOTOyF_8aE pwNvWI7zK0cBMNgq.0A4JtZBFSZboeLgcTORWWopNx_uhSF.D8p6sZllE4VJ 7eNDdX5vWLW5yLcOhnvaUNgxgx5o6xrpnJ.CBK1XZUvupgFOPkjaE7.ZqtB1 dYyTZlKn9kys7I8529G1ifETfSQSdruy2GeNOwFkdy55DNKMn.sNUl_3VA7u .6xYqZT42uhYjM504olQ96Xqde6vrymi8G55W0fEHY4KlBmF4DNX2PjQNkQa ODrHhK6LKzhaRhh4NUT4BG8EFeLVeo.Y- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 Message-ID: <1334843929.60696.YahooMailNeo@web160302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 06:58:49 -0700 (PDT) From: ditch wrestler Reply-To: ditch wrestler Subject: dl4 problem To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1663062914-1670000932-1334843929=:60696" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:58:50 +0000 (UTC) ---1663062914-1670000932-1334843929=:60696 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The same problem has come up with both of my DL4's.=0A=A0=0AWhile in the lo= op mode and the mode is=A0turned off, it's=A0recording.=A0 I can hear a=A0c= hurning and when I twist the delay time knob, the sound=A0changes=A0pitch.= =A0 Done the factory reset on both and it still persists.=0A=A0=0AWhen I go= into any of the delay modes, the churning stops when I turn the effect off= and it resumes when I go back to the loop mode.=0A=A0=0AThere'll be more e= xperimentation in the next few days as=A0this came up=A0as a buddy=A0was=A0= coming over to jam and I didn't want to futz with it then.=A0 Will see if= =A0it matters what pedals come before or after, etc...=0A=A0Could the pots = need replacing?=A0 =0A=A0=0AOne DL4 was=A0on my pedalboard for a gig in mid= -March and there wasn't a problem then.=0A=A0=0AOne difference between the = gig and last night=A0was the power supply - the pedalboard is juiced by a V= oodoo Labs=A0Pedal Power 2+=A0and last night I was using a Power-All PA-9 w= ith the 11 connector daisy-chain (though only 6 pedals were being use).=A0 = Wonder if=A0not enough milliamps to the DL4 could be the problem...=0A=A0= =0AAnd, it's almost moot -=A0I was trying the TC Electronics Flashback dela= y which has a loop function.=A0 There's no half- or double-speed function b= ut has the sound-on-sound and it's a quarter of the width of a DL4 so serio= usly thinking about getting one (or two) of those to replace the DL4's.=A0 = I have=A0a TC Hall of Fame reverb and love it.=0A=A0=0A=A0=0Athe other ted= =0A=0AOr would you sing somethin' different. Somethin' real. Somethin' *you= * felt. Cause I'm telling you right now, that's the kind of song people wan= t to hear. That's the kind of song that truly saves people. It ain't got no= thin to do with believin' in God, Mr. Cash. It has to do with believin' in = yourself. Sam Phillips, "Walk the Line" ---1663062914-1670000932-1334843929=:60696 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The same problem has come up with both of= my DL4's.
 
While in the loop mo= de and the mode is turned off, it's recording.  I can hear a=  churning and when I twist the delay time knob, the sound changes=  pitch.  Done the factory reset on both and it still persists.
 
When I go into any o= f the delay modes, the churning stops when I turn the effect off and it res= umes when I go back to the loop mode.
 
There'll be more exp= erimentation in the next few days as this came up as a buddy = ;was coming over to jam and I didn't want to futz with it then.  = Will see if it matters what pedals come before or after, etc...=
 
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Could the pots need = replacing? 
 
One DL4 was on my pedalboard for a gig in m= id-March and there wasn't a problem then.
 
One difference betwe= en the gig and last night was the power supply - the pedalboard is jui= ced by a Voodoo Labs Pedal Power 2+ and last night I was using a = Power-All PA-9 with the 11 connector daisy-chain (though only 6 pedals were= being use).  Wonder if not enough milliamps to the DL4 could be = the problem...
 
And, it's almost moo= t - I was trying the TC Electronics Flashback delay which has a loop f= unction.  There's no half- or double-speed function but has the sound-= on-sound and it's a quarter of the width of a DL4 so seriously thinking abo= ut getting one (or two) of those to replace the DL4's.  I have a = TC Hall of Fame reverb and love it.
 
 
the other ted=
 
Or would you sing somethin' different. Somethin' real. Somethin' *you*= felt. Cause I'm telling you right now, that's the kind of song people want= to hear. That's the kind of song that truly saves people. It ain't got not= hin to do with believin' in God, Mr. Cash. It has to do with believin' in y= ourself. Sam Phillips, "Walk the Line"
---1663062914-1670000932-1334843929=:60696-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 19 21:19:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28418183463; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:19:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=OmQp3FmNRt+lzMLnmXGoTKWjGBY6qwvCuaVou5E0ZfM=; b=HAZJ8gy4P96ldL8qTBwUxQ2zJYJBLyStJenhAKvhwR4kDKdfPqat2rkH/4Si6RxtzA X38vUhb17lItv3WKIX7eFlVv3JLlAz0cZEkeor/yw02yLzp8syhl9m7sNRJzuck4qCUA xsvHrZXzh123hnvct3ws4Gwf9tBasv+wp5LA/luR1mMss4g7WjzvWYpJ882zs70GMzPV iR3+KhuTRxotMIsZh0WCjuUFdnE8oZ4Zudg/owEbd2XPODMjeLcDsW5pYDzLYw/cRYCV YhLXZ4BMbWuJ7Lvw4ffszgOWDKbESY4c7qT84+o0hgdcnG9FEqXgp3qUETkLzSP7YFf/ iSEA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 23:19:18 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Mini telePort Set From: Lasse juul Kolding To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <4e9BJD.A.nxC.XFIkPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:19:20 +0000 (UTC) Hey Loopers Here's a brand new video I made. This time no talking, just a demonstration of a small set. There's a lot of graphics and text as well, that somehow could be seen as an animated feature list of sorts, like Per asked for... ;) http://youtu.be/98wIQYKboHY Hope you like it! Cheers, Lasse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 19 21:35:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9AC9183477; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:35:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F9076C2.9070005@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 16:34:10 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:35:11 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Wave World. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Winds of Laax" on VFR Records. The Focus page is at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#apr Wave World will play a live set on tonight's show from the studios of WDIY. Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 20 03:43:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B511183477; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 03:43:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Deconstructing LP1 LoopBegin and Quantize replace issues Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:43:33 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <1UAWgD.A.AUF.ttNkPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 03:43:41 +0000 (UTC) Like you Phil I have had mixed results using my DAW clock to midi Sync my LP-1, If I'm doing normal loops and I'm using the technique of pre arming the tracks by hitting a play stop command as I move to each new track (and I'm aware for where my 1st loop start point is when recording my next track) things will stay pretty stable, though i might get some drift over time. When using multiple tracks of quantize replace, its much more difficult for them all to stay synced to an external clock source, i suspect because the very nature of the technique has timing considerations due to the slight delay while the microprocessor is initiating the command, add those milliseconds up when you keep building a track using this technique and what you thought was your downbeat pulse is no longer. Its also so easy to get carried away in the process of creating the note sequences that one simply forgets where that loop point really is. Compound that with creating multiple tracks of this stuff and wanting it all to slave and be hunky dory with your DAWs midi clock is a tall order. One thing I have found to be true is i get better clock results if I mute tracks rather than stopping and starting them, and group commands where multiple tracks are being turned stopped and restarted only serve to create further midi clock drift if it is acting as the slave . Also if I'm in doubt of my downbeat on a track as relates to the master clock track, stopping it, and restarting it by initiating a replace command (yep, if a track is pre armed and stopped, you can restart it with a replace command) can help to realign the two tracks to some degree. lastly i've worked hard at learning to initiate Q replace commands on the beat that anticipates the beat i want to replace so if i have a quantize replace factor of 16th I'll initiate my command a little a head of schedule on the 16th beat to have it arrive on the 1. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 20 07:56:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D74E5183475; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 07:56:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lKuAgKHSCnSL2THJmmWM9YRQpUjAkLB5YER2y1s8Muo=; b=SxKRUZ3HNOhaRO/QsRhnewIeK6z8pe5QkPZJSETukw2SVrC4vMjSDasMGtQ+nPYkfv ngyNdqQ0eHvlJzuII4ZDTmRrl1Riqct9b+xrnw4LSJOKfpnVU8kHDJFw0vy8S9bR0UkI EMRgwPeQpXe9OAy2zFs0NcNk+OWDIROc1Vc4X/1oIEaaSFJ0rQjSUtXOC2DPvor8V8mv mZV5CXrJPmTDUD0+U4LV/jTPr1tkNGvECGjcAoZi2s0LJPjhyriNwVlvIDfYWie8vRrU nCOpd70msxWjSg6EGCfXKDuFuAIdL3Qgrrv+1T8wO4IpdJ5rr91lc8EN04R7be+upWk4 lpFA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:56:41 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Deconstructing LP1 LoopBegin and Quantize replace issues From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 07:56:42 +0000 (UTC) I doubt it will ever work. Why not sync the DAW to the looper instead? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 5:43 AM, William Walker wr= ote: > =C2=A0Like you Phil I have had mixed results using my DAW clock to midi S= ync my > LP-1, If I'm doing normal loops and I'm using the technique of pre arming > the tracks by hitting a play stop command as I move to each new track (an= d > I'm aware for where my 1st loop start point =C2=A0is when recording my ne= xt > track) things will stay pretty stable, though i might get some drift over > time. =C2=A0When using =C2=A0multiple tracks of quantize replace, its muc= h more > difficult for them all to stay synced to an external clock source, i susp= ect > =C2=A0because the very nature of the technique has timing considerations = due to > the slight delay while the microprocessor is initiating the command, add > those milliseconds up when you keep building a track using this technique > and what you thought was your downbeat pulse is no longer. =C2=A0Its also= so easy > to get carried away in the process of creating the note sequences that on= e > simply forgets where that loop point really is. Compound that with creati= ng > multiple tracks of this stuff and wanting it all to slave =C2=A0and be hu= nky dory > with your DAWs midi clock is a tall order. One thing I have found to be t= rue > is i get better clock results if I mute tracks rather than stopping and > starting them, and group commands where multiple tracks are being turned > stopped and restarted only serve to create further midi clock drift if it= is > acting as the slave . =C2=A0Also if I'm in doubt of my downbeat on a trac= k as > relates to the master clock track, stopping it, =C2=A0and restarting it b= y > initiating a replace command (yep, if a track is pre armed and stopped, y= ou > can restart it with a replace command) =C2=A0 can help to realign the two= tracks > to some degree. lastly =C2=A0i've worked hard at learning to initiate Q r= eplace > commands on the beat that anticipates the beat i want to replace so if i > have a quantize =C2=A0replace factor of 16th I'll initiate my command a l= ittle a > head of schedule on the 16th beat to have it arrive on the 1. > Bill > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 21 12:13:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F93D183477; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:13:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F92A45E.1060209@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 08:13:18 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #785 for April 19, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4f1MeD.A.B-B.iRqkPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:13:22 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/120419.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #785 April 19, 2012. WDIY Playlist:http://wdiy.org/shows/playList.jsp?id=8665 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Wave World. The Featured CD at Midnight was "The Winds of Laax" on VFR Records. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/focus.html#apr Wave World played a live, in-studio concert. PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Wave World The Winds Of Laax -- The Winds of Laax (VFR) Wave World Interview Wave World Live In-studio concert 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Wave World The Winds Of Laax * The Winds of Laax (VFR) Wave World Guardians Of The The Winds of Laax (VFR) Skies Wave World Od Ban Ryaak The Winds of Laax (VFR) Wave World Desert Moons The Winds of Laax (VFR) Wave World Sunrise At Yacekla * The Winds of Laax (VFR) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Wave World. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Tableaux"" on VFR Records. Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/listen on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 22 10:29:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01D52183464; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 10:29:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=M6wn/lqNrc5he3jj867DcVTG5K3WY2u3wNmXq5nqCVg=; b=bH6clLUMWdKOarextKBwhPSDcoHtzw4X03Ztlz1Ts009UHZvvHWcUpOfWVqEtipJHj zjMWfG1XMvGo7EtImqBeZQ1gm0PACCyV3JFLa8tfTzUUG8MTp1b+InWglkVmN8M4BC+k T2Rq+kfjmuoDB6Kyt2eu8CRnQ44Qgrj8nkUiLBv3dafdrcz41H6tGjdwnPfkjJC6o2CE uozrRNm0wCR5jH3Q2/MUTaCeg38nr1WRosA5F/dW8tfIbCA7MJyJ1/xG4xBnGtdWYxVe yBFb6nx4SIcbLMNBKbIWP+ljyBdF1J4ctDplDaQA5Zadbny8pOElCMftJZJm5dzhtkuO ykXA== Subject: Re: Mobius Baffling Phase 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: <5520D77D-F7F0-4C71-94BB-E9D900A1D161@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 03:29:36 -0700 Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <257F293E-DF6A-469B-BE37-C56DCE0DDFF9@gmail.com> References: ,<1228EBDB-D100-45E7-AC8A-5ECD8609B5C4@gmail.com> <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEFD47@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> <4F89D83D.40605@tiscali.co.uk> ,<4F8A9F09.3030605@tiscali.co.uk> <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEFE11@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> <4F8B2B70.2030601@tiscali.co.uk> <5520D77D-F7F0-4C71-94BB-E9D900A1D161@gmail.com> To: Phil Clevenger X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 10:29:41 +0000 (UTC) For the record, I have taken the better advice here and reverted to = direct MIDI passing Note On / Note Off pair thru live to Echoloop VST. I = figured the closer I am to the creator's intent, the better off I'll be = :) Also seemed better to have all my commands in my controller rather = than tied to mapped Ableton set files. Phil :) On Apr 15, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > This Phil is using 8.2.8. on OSX 10.6.8. >=20 > Not broken, but not working as expected. Thankfully, it is at least = working :) >=20 > Phil :) >=20 >=20 > On Apr 15, 2012, at 1:11 PM, andy butler wrote: >=20 >> Jeff Larson wrote: >>> [andy] >>>> ps, this seems to confirm that Ableton is pretty much broken >>>> in terms of Midi routing. >>> Well all I can say is that it's working perfectly here, in both Live >>> 7.0.12 OS X and 8.2.2 for Windows. I get Note Ons, Note Offs,=20 >>=20 >> yep, I'm sure it was working in 8.1 >>=20 >> Dunnow what version Phil is using. >>=20 >>=20 >> andy >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 22 11:28:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C32D3183463; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:28:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 750056741/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.25.140/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.25.140 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAHjqk09YbRmM/2dsb2JhbAANN7RQAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBwWmODoMlBJtbjUc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,462,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="750056741" Message-ID: <4F93EB7C.5000004@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:29:00 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius Baffling Phase 3 References: ,<1228EBDB-D100-45E7-AC8A-5ECD8609B5C4@gmail.com> <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEFD47@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> <4F89D83D.40605@tiscali.co.uk> ,<4F8A9F09.3030605@tiscali.co.uk> <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEFE11@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> <4F8B2B70.2030601@tiscali.co.uk> <5520D77D-F7F0-4C71-94BB-E9D900A1D161@gmail.com> <257F293E-DF6A-469B-BE37-C56DCE0DDFF9@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <257F293E-DF6A-469B-BE37-C56DCE0DDFF9@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7imIg.A.wGD.2t-kPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:28:54 +0000 (UTC) Phil Clevenger wrote: > For the record, I have taken the better advice here and reverted to > direct MIDI passing Note On / Note Off pair thru live to Echoloop VST. > I figured the closer I am to the creator's intent, the better off I'll be :) >Also seemed better to have all my commands in my controller rather than tied to mapped Ableton set files. > > Phil :) Thanks Phil, that answers a long standing worry. ..and Ableton get a tick andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 22 15:11:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECAA1183466; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 15:11:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <0DA8B48D-0E65-4050-9E2B-C8B7792753A4@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Deconstructing LP1 LoopBegin and Quantize replace issues Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 08:11:50 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 15:11:57 +0000 (UTC) 'I doubt it will ever work. Why not sync the DAW to the looper instead? ' that will be my next step though I'm skeptical it will be much better. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 22 15:57:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98C98183464; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 15:57:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=14N4Vg1XqlxFfVE6O/NLQIVmOVTIt5gXmVGiMmf2Wz0=; b=n6LqgXg6P6AOk5BDHAL3wj4yzXgcWmTENOFUQuFo4k1KPyPE5J/UybdnCDHS/rCsMo zdjJ43DbvZR59tWLG/NlqRHx1AbIfWd1xE2aeHA3us83/RoadgSY8zroaxxLTndYrB7T 68/1ABg9UVlVvcG8Mb+NynYiemmLZVgSY98HTNo5ebvyGZMkY6dS1j9fMP8Z6PzpphdA zOPHB3lYSoNG7EeZad1C5bdnkz7j5JRm+0hJ1iGpAEgbpXFmUUSf8Ltk02TY8P6buUUE 6oSbo0L5U2ZDLpQ0OOCNnZvEQs11mgS9xwNwFoLcE7eQ0/PEEy6vsgmCiv5a1IxewSDP HkJg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0DA8B48D-0E65-4050-9E2B-C8B7792753A4@baymoon.com> References: <0DA8B48D-0E65-4050-9E2B-C8B7792753A4@baymoon.com> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 17:57:17 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Deconstructing LP1 LoopBegin and Quantize replace issues From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <8S84MD.A.nJF.epClPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 15:57:18 +0000 (UTC) > =C2=A0 =C2=A0'I doubt it will ever work. > Why not sync the DAW to the looper instead? ' > On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 5:11 PM, William Walker wr= ote: > =C2=A0that will be my =C2=A0next step though I'm skeptical it will be muc= h better. > =C2=A0Bill Yes, the idea to use a DAW hosting real-time audio input processing is kind of bad in the fist place as DAWs are designed to work with already recorded audio. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 23 00:39:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8805E18345A; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:39:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 545 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:39:45 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=nBgydj3Zyxx/Y9sc/WwY8MOwNjxdKTKYuS6fQei3JQOAFSWA+TYtDdZoPCUOERIl; h=Received:From:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; From: Cara Quinn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: questions on the Repeater mk II and Looperlative Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 17:30:38 -0700 Message-Id: <176BABB7-15EA-4D50-B45B-7CC501A13196@earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-ELNK-Trace: 6b863c64b7cad57866423f13a3a05d4c239a348a220c26097790ab7185fbae9f17857a317580496ca7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.106.47.89 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:39:45 +0000 (UTC) Hi All; Am wondering if someone can point me to a manual or such for the second = generation of the Repeater? I've also heard about a 'noise mod' for the Repeater mk II, would = someone be so kind as to describe it? :) Also, I'm assuming the Looperlative can do the real-time time stretching = idea that the Repeater can? Yes?=85 Am also assuming that the LP 1's = loops can be pitched on the fly as well?=85 Are these assumptions true?=85 Thanks bunches and have a terrific day / evening, wherever you may be!=85 Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 23 01:11:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58C2B18345A; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 01:11:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Mark Hamburg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Insane to even contemplate? Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 18:11:46 -0700 Message-Id: <3C150BC2-8FD9-4280-9227-33B052D43ACB@grubmah.com> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com (posting)" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 01:11:10 +0000 (UTC) I want to take the guts of an EDP and an EDP footswitch and sort of meld = them together. I need the faceplate from the EDP to show up on the front = of the melded device though obviously I don't need most of the buttons = since I'll have the footswitch buttons. As a bonus feature, it would be great to have stereo friendliness added = as circuitry that would support passing a stereo signal through even if = the loop was mono. That's obviously going to fight with the mix knob, = however. Even cooler, provide an insert after the loop to go from mono = back to stereo. Am I insane to contemplate this? (And while I'm contemplating it, how about using the Boomerang = footswitches and throwing in one of the Boomerang roller expression = pedals...) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 23 03:29:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7B0A183455; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 03:29:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=uaturfuXlGU5oOGV6ABEU6NWekXJ/6UlZ2Rf//ZUVgw=; b=C9jGYLkXziEwvw6i/K5WyYpSw34UyFPoMFJcjIoS30d6kXRlcWaavNjr5q8QJt0Spg 7uo5uVAYM0/9UGI1eomzUTZX/tcjVJqh0iBwHQ2+w3SPu8Ts8yIXEfOirtXVwFIrunXi AZv2rNmvGGFcPldxsUFHoVSKnaZYUpCrUEwykLFh9W66clQqOzMaNbFwvLAnpeJSbPMN k7yRrTTGnvg9fcP206pFnLAbF13+C4VDzQKpxahClPQmgvVxp2aaa2/eCEYJTAuz6njx vxSIb28eaTTywoFKUncX+jOg+ine7NR6VjEIOUSxeWZw4om4SmNccOtn82VaxC/fnDEV MFSA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <176BABB7-15EA-4D50-B45B-7CC501A13196@earthlink.net> References: <176BABB7-15EA-4D50-B45B-7CC501A13196@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 23:29:13 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: questions on the Repeater mk II and Looperlative From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f643316022a1004be503e75 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 03:29:14 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f643316022a1004be503e75 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, You can find the manual in the file section of the repeater-user group on yahoo groups (or you could last time I checked): http://launch.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/repeater-users/ I'd send it to you, but I can't presently recall my yahoo account name... Sylvain On Sunday, April 22, 2012, Cara Quinn wrote: > Hi All; > > Am wondering if someone can point me to a manual or such for the second > generation of the Repeater? > > I've also heard about a 'noise mod' for the Repeater mk II, would someone > be so kind as to describe it? :) > > Also, I'm assuming the Looperlative can do the real-time time stretching > idea that the Repeater can? Yes?=85 Am also assuming that the LP 1's loop= s > can be pitched on the fly as well?=85 > > Are these assumptions true?=85 > > Thanks bunches and have a terrific day / evening, wherever you may be!=85 > > Smiles, > > Cara :) > --- > View my Online Portfolio at: > http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn > > --e89a8f643316022a1004be503e75 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,
You can find the manual in the file section of the repe= ater-user group on yahoo groups (or you could last time I checked):=A0


I'd send it to you, but I c= an't presently recall my yahoo account name...
Sylvain

On Sunday, April 22, 2012, Cara Qui= nn wrote:
Hi All;

Am wondering if someone can point me to a manual or such for the second gen= eration of the Repeater?

I've also heard about a 'noise mod' for the Repeater mk II, wou= ld someone be so kind as to describe it? :)

Also, I'm assuming the Looperlative can do the real-time time stretchin= g idea that the Repeater can? Yes?=85 Am also assuming that the LP 1's = loops can be pitched on the fly as well?=85

Are these assumptions true?=85

Thanks bunches and have a terrific day / evening, wherever you may be!=85
Smiles,

Cara :)
---
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--e89a8f643316022a1004be503e75-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 23 06:00:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA5C8183463; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 06:00:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=yBW6GDhYMBA7HtRvrJU59O2y3oBKqgipqfOioCLfTFw=; b=03TwdAd3ut1YV5ntBbVS2ieo+n9LsMQvjDSrTv/O7G938XrYDkMaUDzrUXtAVggtda lt3FBtEIKTbnbaQJkTXu3e786LEph7C6oe0D3jPxJ1d8W6PqmYaCFLG8GcDwr7RUCD2l a/FggxYsxavXCGgzL4ANYZPEQNfmrqKYi8j/uo1kke0X8Vcv0hHP3q1CRgWYVpJxcIF9 omCGUL/hPbVtB1GLlfj8+GLd/7j6EY5C8yPWBjjeHKjbH0c9qWVB86Mdifv2t05brsf2 kI38+4NIXYUNutjzkHup9tnRaduEhiiPyNJnv2rBOvwaLNrhPyV7WhJszL6nADB9I5Gl 4UTQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <3C150BC2-8FD9-4280-9227-33B052D43ACB@grubmah.com> References: <3C150BC2-8FD9-4280-9227-33B052D43ACB@grubmah.com> From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:00:28 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: y4NmMaeaBymL0f1fYBeJF9W0iDk Message-ID: Subject: Re: Insane to even contemplate? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0401fd1b1f383804be525cad Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 06:00:50 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0401fd1b1f383804be525cad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sounds like a great plan, and yes.. crazy to contemplate! AFAI remember.. the front panel items are on a different board (maybe not including the pots, which could be removed and re-wired onto longer wires. I would NOT ry to cable the internal switches up to the footswitches however, how about just HARD-wiring the jack out from the pedal to the jack in? I can certainly imagine this beast! What a scary job though! Mark On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 3:11 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > I want to take the guts of an EDP and an EDP footswitch and sort of meld > them together. I need the faceplate from the EDP to show up on the front of > the melded device though obviously I don't need most of the buttons since > I'll have the footswitch buttons. > > As a bonus feature, it would be great to have stereo friendliness added as > circuitry that would support passing a stereo signal through even if the > loop was mono. That's obviously going to fight with the mix knob, however. > Even cooler, provide an insert after the loop to go from mono back to > stereo. > > Am I insane to contemplate this? > > (And while I'm contemplating it, how about using the Boomerang > footswitches and throwing in one of the Boomerang roller expression > pedals...) > > Mark > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d0401fd1b1f383804be525cad Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sounds like a great plan, and yes.. crazy to con= template!

AFAI remember.. the front panel items are on a different b= oard (maybe not including the pots, which could be removed and re-wired ont= o longer wires. I would NOT ry to cable the internal switches up to the foo= tswitches however, how about just HARD-wiring the jack out from the pedal t= o the jack in?
I can certainly imagine this beast! What a scary job though!

Mark
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 3:11 AM, Mark Hambu= rg <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
I want to take the guts of an EDP and an EDP= footswitch and sort of meld them together. I need the faceplate from the E= DP to show up on the front of the melded device though obviously I don'= t need most of the buttons since I'll have the footswitch buttons.

As a bonus feature, it would be great to have stereo friendliness added as = circuitry that would support passing a stereo signal through even if the lo= op was mono. That's obviously going to fight with the mix knob, however= . Even cooler, provide an insert after the loop to go from mono back to ste= reo.

Am I insane to contemplate this?

(And while I'm contemplating it, how about using the Boomerang footswit= ches and throwing in one of the Boomerang roller expression pedals...)

Mark




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--f46d0401fd1b1f383804be525cad-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 23 07:17:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62006183462; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 07:17:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <3C150BC2-8FD9-4280-9227-33B052D43ACB@grubmah.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B176) From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Insane to even contemplate? Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:17:48 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 07:17:53 +0000 (UTC) On Apr 22, 2012, at 11:00 PM, mark francombe wrote: > I can certainly imagine this beast! What a scary job though! And an expensive bit of gear to go perform experimental surgery on... Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 23 07:46:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0DEA183462; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 07:46:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=cOE6R6T+4R/dPeHX7q65vNSAa4QwAoSUm9l7FsO9plI=; b=LH1BFUygDZjrGNmYV0YWRzS+l0A43KmVMXL0+bQ3c7CzhwiZ/+V3DVoTopv5Q9PqK6 BGwuGZImxS9I7vf/Dave0Nb/84XlQvOGekSeUT4GZeYK44EX8Mwg7G5h2NjjQXw/Sgsw DOOk6K8REzTbEegDJ8Pa2JwQvpzMHDWLQGahbnOScG0TgmWwUBzCS0UhHe/LQLYxkoJB gLsZ/viDJcxwaZAx7fHAc7jdhzO0FmTPErjusE8oV1k45nVMA9eX+1wgDMmUeL31sf7p 8FECwcINUzNHiBlnhZxjFzAsIJwPB2G3b609lAX4C6+AUQiTQI3Y678pow1g9V9UcyTW ZrDQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <3C150BC2-8FD9-4280-9227-33B052D43ACB@grubmah.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:46:14 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Insane to even contemplate? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 07:46:15 +0000 (UTC) >> I can certainly imagine this beast! What a scary job though! > On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > And an expensive bit of gear to go perform experimental surgery on... Well, if you document the dissection you can always put it back together again. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 23 14:45:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAA6518345C; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:45:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=rvNqJbVGdbt4egs52VbhtoJZG7AoPDG9H2iogr/sNfs= c=1 sm=1 a=DamDIY7pXFQA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=_g34MQbZAAAA:8 a=v71P2F_oYDvyTcSGL_UA:9 a=kCnps3gkS8jMddvSTw8A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Insane to even contemplate? From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: <3C150BC2-8FD9-4280-9227-33B052D43ACB@grubmah.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 07:45:00 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <07377F19-4011-4AEC-A49D-E91AD9483697@charter.net> References: <3C150BC2-8FD9-4280-9227-33B052D43ACB@grubmah.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <50k5BB.A.xlH.vrWlPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:45:03 +0000 (UTC) Mark, Either that or we could all lobby Matthias to hurry and finish up his = work on this: I have been doing so for years, to the point where he probably thinks of = me as a pain in the neck. I am happy to have and use his EchoLoop VST. But I seriously still yearn for the new hardware version. Hi dee ho. Ted On Apr 22, 2012, at 6:11 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > I want to take the guts of an EDP and an EDP footswitch and sort of = meld them together. I need the faceplate from the EDP to show up on the = front of the melded device though obviously I don't need most of the = buttons since I'll have the footswitch buttons. >=20 > As a bonus feature, it would be great to have stereo friendliness = added as circuitry that would support passing a stereo signal through = even if the loop was mono. That's obviously going to fight with the mix = knob, however. Even cooler, provide an insert after the loop to go from = mono back to stereo. >=20 > Am I insane to contemplate this? >=20 > (And while I'm contemplating it, how about using the Boomerang = footswitches and throwing in one of the Boomerang roller expression = pedals...) >=20 > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 24 03:21:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 460BE18345A; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 03:21:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Subject: Hurry up Matthias! was RE: Insane to even contemplate? Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 22:21:00 -0500 Message-ID: <01e401cd21c9$45f77200$d1e65600$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac0hxd8ArycATdkeS8WrQJwQPXHwFA== Content-Language: en-us x-vipre-scanned: 20B13F8A002E3720B140D7 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 03:21:06 +0000 (UTC) Seconded! -----Original Message----- From: Ted Killian [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 9:45 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Insane to even contemplate? Mark, Either that or we could all lobby Matthias to hurry and finish up his work on this: I have been doing so for years, to the point where he probably thinks of me as a pain in the neck. I am happy to have and use his EchoLoop VST. But I seriously still yearn for the new hardware version. Hi dee ho. Ted On Apr 22, 2012, at 6:11 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > I want to take the guts of an EDP and an EDP footswitch and sort of meld them together. I need the faceplate from the EDP to show up on the front of the melded device though obviously I don't need most of the buttons since I'll have the footswitch buttons. > > As a bonus feature, it would be great to have stereo friendliness added as circuitry that would support passing a stereo signal through even if the loop was mono. That's obviously going to fight with the mix knob, however. Even cooler, provide an insert after the loop to go from mono back to stereo. > > Am I insane to contemplate this? > > (And while I'm contemplating it, how about using the Boomerang footswitches and throwing in one of the Boomerang roller expression pedals...) > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 24 09:29:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8BE0183460; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:29:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=fvPs/O2kAxXdEMiyhQJDfA5tLMtZp50nv2k4g3UIHmg=; b=CmNiZ2OYQLZD50xpPJFXLZd6rBc1QE7RUP54CD0Eyz72QT5KhiKMlHI3Mg/htOlLEg 1LGpxlweu0jzYpz4/6x+ylM3+SuZpKyCiZsRmLpn7ayYbTt2JZwv+MSRkOdNd8XdQKGS Hp6tuHxmhX02ECTKqvMXoSxikzcgv4oRel7I9TNisZTVcrXfq1QMal6MqAgoqSV7DiD+ R5c9LzApB091sOSNCF4SKbB9GhFCCigUiTfuAuIebCkp70rc7N1DYpqJxNFBUNrgYi1A K/rCo9Tm3VoYDOXEUWwAaE0Bs6BKmtDHAiLyRtdv6jHS5U8J0plkNMknwMXu6nV6q6YU ak7A== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F81479F.5090906@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4F7E871C.1090604@cruzio.com> <0463D8BF-2833-47F1-A801-28B83EFBB3B6@gmail.com> <4F81479F.5090906@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:29:38 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looperlative LP2 From: Pawel Janowski To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b2e11c9d0758004be696442 Resent-Message-ID: <_ZFxUC.A.LP.EKnlPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:29:40 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b2e11c9d0758004be696442 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I thought I would repost my aarly review I posted on TGP here: I received the unit last week, so I would assume that mine is from one of the last preorder batches. Here is what i posted on TGP: "I received mine last week and so far I'm definitely satisfied. There are a few things I haven't tried yet (feedback control mainly) but I spent the last 4 hours with it and after some initial problems with power supplies I got it working perfectly. I am not hugely concerned about sound quality, since I bought it for more noisy applications and I will be running tons of pedals in front of it, but I don't hear any obvious artefacts and to my ear the loop playback sounds perfectly fine. I have not used or tested it in a very hi-fi environment mind you (so far plugged a strat into the LP2 and either a small Fender combo or a cheap headphone amplifier). Positives: - Does what it is designed to do very well - has all the basic loop features, plus some more advanced and quirky ones in a compact pedal. I bought it for a more improvisational/noisy looping use (rather than song-based looping) and it looks like it will work out perfectly for that. Had good fun creating some glitchy loops tonight. - Nice footprint - large enough to comfortably press the pedals without taking too much floor space - Well laid out - I like the idea of the assignable effects buttons and got pretty quick in assigning the functions on the fly. Sure, you don't have all the functions immediately accessible, but that wouldn't be feasible without a much larger footprint. - Switches feel very good, although they are probably not as quiet as some solo acoustic performers would like. They're fine for me though. - It's a nice purple colour Negatives: - It can be a bit fussy with power supplies. I tried it first with a spare output from my PP2+ pedalboard and it worked fine unless I hit strings too hard, at which point it would make a 'pop' sound and reset. It looks like it needs sufficient power supply to ensure it has enough headroom. I ended up using it with a generic 200ma 9V power supply I had spare and had no problems. It would probably be good to provide a bit more guidance on that in the manual. - Similarly, setting the volume levels can be a bit tricky, since you have relatively limited control over loop volume (3 gain stages) and need to use the mix pot to make the dry and loop volume match. I did get it dialed in in the end. - As mentioned earlier in the thread, some of the construction of the unit could be a bit more robust or more "professional". For instance, the split shaft pot for the mix control sticks out quite far on the back of the unit and is just a pot with no knob on it. Having a smaller knob in there would have been a nice touch. Similarly, it would have been nice to have the SD card sit more firmly inside the device. For me these are mainly cosmetic, although I could imagine that if it gets kicked around on stage, not having some of these bits sticking out so much could be helpful. - A more thorough manual with, for instance, descriptions of the effects and some more information on power supplies would have also been a nice touch. So, despite the wait, I am very satisfied with the unit. In terms of features, this is the best looper for my use and I am happy to finally have it and even happier to see that it seems to do everything I hoped it can do. Yes, there are some things that could be improved, and of course I would have preferred if the whole process of ordering and waiting looked a bit different, but I am happy with the unit and I think it was worth the wait." --047d7b2e11c9d0758004be696442 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I thought I would repost my aarly review I poste= d on TGP here: I received the unit last week, so I would assume that mine i= s from one of the last preorder batches.
= =A0
Here is what i posted on TGP:

"I received mine last week and so far I'm definit= ely satisfied. There are a=20 few things I haven't tried yet (feedback control mainly) but I spent th= e last 4=20 hours with it and after some initial problems with power supplies I got it= =20 working perfectly.

=A0I am not hugely concerned about sound quality, since I bought it for = more=20 noisy applications and I will be running tons of pedals in front of it, but= I=20 don't hear any obvious artefacts and to my ear the loop playback sounds= =20 perfectly fine. I have not used or tested it in a very hi-fi environment mi= nd=20 you (so far plugged a strat into the LP2 and either a small Fender combo or= a=20 cheap headphone amplifier).

=A0Positives:

=A0- Does what it is designed to do very well - has all the basic loop f= eatures,=20 plus some more advanced and quirky ones in a compact pedal. I bought it for= a=20 more improvisational/noisy looping use (rather than song-based looping) and= it=20 looks like it will work out perfectly for that. Had good fun creating some= =20 glitchy loops tonight.

- Nice footprint - large enough to comfortably press the pedals without= =20 taking too much floor space

- Well laid out - I like the idea of the assignable effects buttons and = got=20 pretty quick in assigning the functions on the fly. Sure, you don't hav= e all the=20 functions immediately accessible, but that wouldn't be feasible without= a much=20 larger footprint.

- Switches feel very good, although they are probably not as quiet as so= me=20 solo acoustic performers would like. They're fine for me though.

- It's a nice purple colour

=A0Negatives:

=A0- It can be a bit fussy with power supplies. I tried it first with a = spare=20 output from my PP2+ pedalboard and it worked fine unless I hit strings too = hard,=20 at which point it would make a 'pop' sound and reset. It looks like= it needs=20 sufficient power supply to ensure it has enough headroom. I ended up using = it=20 with a generic 200ma 9V power supply I had spare and had no problems. It wo= uld=20 probably be good to provide a bit more guidance on that in the manual.

- Similarly, setting the volume levels can be a bit tricky, since you ha= ve=20 relatively limited control over loop volume (3 gain stages) and need to use= the=20 mix pot to make the dry and loop volume match. I did get it dialed in in th= e=20 end.

- As mentioned earlier in the thread, some of the construction of the un= it=20 could be a bit more robust or more "professional". For instance, = the split shaft=20 pot for the mix control sticks out quite far on the back of the unit and is= just=20 a pot with no knob on it. Having a smaller knob in there would have been a = nice=20 touch. Similarly, it would have been nice to have the SD card sit more firm= ly=20 inside the device. For me these are mainly cosmetic, although I could imagi= ne=20 that if it gets kicked around on stage, not having some of these bits stick= ing=20 out so much could be helpful.

- A more thorough manual with, for instance, descriptions of the effects= and=20 some more information on power supplies would have also been a nice touch. =

=A0So, despite the wait, I am very satisfied with the unit. In terms of= =20 features, this is the best looper for my use and I am happy to finally have= it=20 and even happier to see that it seems to do everything I hoped it can do.

=A0Yes, there are some things that could be improved, and of course I wo= uld have=20 preferred if the whole process of ordering and waiting looked a bit differe= nt,=20 but I am happy with the unit and I think it was worth the wait."

=A0

--047d7b2e11c9d0758004be696442-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 24 11:43:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E866183461; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:43:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 763107072/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.21.171/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.21.171 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAAORlk9YbRWr/2dsb2JhbAANN7R6AQEEMgEFQBELIRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBwx2OKYMlBJtbjUc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,473,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="763107072" Message-ID: <4F9691E9.2060806@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:43:37 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative LP2 References: <4F7E871C.1090604@cruzio.com> <0463D8BF-2833-47F1-A801-28B83EFBB3B6@gmail.com> <4F81479F.5090906@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:43:39 +0000 (UTC) Nice to hear a positive review. Will be interesting to know how you get on with the feedback control. Pawel Janowski wrote: > - It can be a bit fussy with power supplies. I tried it first with a > spare output from my PP2+ pedalboard and it worked fine unless I hit > strings too hard, at which point it would make a 'pop' sound and reset. Guess you didn't try it with the high current outputs of the PP2, described here: 9V (x2) – High Current 9V and Line 6 Modelers These two outputs each deliver 250mA allowing you to run high current draw effects like the Boss DD-20 Giga Delay or Line 6 DL4 Delay Modeler. Via switches underneath the Pedal Power 2 Plus, these two outputs can be separately configured for regulated (Boss Twin Pedals) or unregulated (Line 6 Modelers) power allowing you to run both units if so desired. These outputs can also power any standard 9V effects as well. It would seem 100mA isn't enough, which I believe ties in with the recommendations passed on by Rick. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 24 13:02:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39341183464; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:02:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=moxPedTvYweTePIGIKj+NMQfXuZmYAC3clK9ypYWDws=; b=oBJDXSEx8wieS4WHtl6yKGwXMUTIT15HzBPEPWMNlurf+yFAGc8eHwuJv3OLXqkHFp LtqWJTtITGf+XA1DM2ZdlVyexRx1FnH35g8p5P99GAdojpFgCnY5EFYoDiOoOMT7SZrz Dj9RrzDy44i80BtAf2maj8FPHuhIfXRK+noCfl+OxiNiQv2zQJj37pL8Rb0TY/3QkOJ5 iyps5rbSdXj3oyp6O0mGCxeCxPOXKzqzI4PIDnXATZ6FxkAqkEqnX5We0Q8xKetJe4Ce eIG1v3lTxMAUPCxjKICGxrMoNrFLhTvQ/lzSn/P8zUH6yUtvIYPdgvAj5yemPJB30YcZ pb+Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F9691E9.2060806@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4F7E871C.1090604@cruzio.com> <0463D8BF-2833-47F1-A801-28B83EFBB3B6@gmail.com> <4F81479F.5090906@tiscali.co.uk> <4F9691E9.2060806@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:02:02 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looperlative LP2 From: Pawel Janowski To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f3b55d461764904be6c5cfb Resent-Message-ID: <3GMuW.A.4uB.LRqlPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:02:04 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f3b55d461764904be6c5cfb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 24 April 2012 12:43, andy butler wrote: > Nice to hear a positive review. > > Will be interesting to know how you get on with the feedback control. Feedback is one of the main features I wanted, so hopefully it works well. I am also curious how it will behave when used in conjunction with the various effects.I will report back after I try it (hopefully tonight) > Guess you didn't try it with the high current outputs of the PP2, > described here: > > > 9V (x2) =96 High Current 9V and Line 6 Modelers These two outputs each > deliver 250mA allowing you to run high current draw effects like the Boss > DD-20 Giga Delay or Line 6 DL4 Delay Modeler. Via switches underneath the > Pedal Power 2 Plus, these two outputs can be separately configured for > regulated (Boss Twin Pedals) or unregulated (Line 6 Modelers) power > allowing you to run both units if so desired. These outputs can also powe= r > any standard 9V effects as well. > > It would seem 100mA isn't enough, which I believe ties in with the > recommendations passed > on by Rick. > > andy > I am aware of these and didn't try them because they were powering my Line6 M5 already (as per Voodoo Labs recommendation) and I didn't want to play too much with the wiring of my oedalboard, If the LP2 works perfectly with a generic 200ma supply, I would imagine it would work well running off one of these inputs. Another thing to note about power supplies is that the LP2 won't work with 9V Line 6 supplies (like the one that comes wth the M5) because the barrel connector on these does not extend long enough to go through the LP chassis. I would imagine that most other ones would work fine. --e89a8f3b55d461764904be6c5cfb Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 24 April 2012 12:4= 3, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Nice to hear a positive review.

Will be interesting to know how you get on with the feedback control.
=A0
Feedback is one of the main features I wanted, so= hopefully it works well. I am also curious how it will behave when used in= conjunction with the various effects.I will report back after I try it (ho= pefully tonight)
=A0
Guess you didn't try it with the high current outputs of the PP2,
described here:


9V (x2) =96 High Current 9V and Line 6 Modelers These two outputs each deli= ver 250mA allowing you to run high current draw effects like the Boss DD-20= Giga Delay or Line 6 DL4 Delay Modeler. Via switches underneath the Pedal = Power 2 Plus, these two outputs can be separately configured for regulated = (Boss Twin Pedals) or unregulated (Line 6 Modelers) power allowing you to r= un both units if so desired. These outputs can also power any standard 9V e= ffects as well. =A0

It would seem 100mA isn't enough, =A0 which I believe ties in with the = recommendations passed
on by Rick.

andy

I am aware of these and didn't try= them because they were powering my Line6 M5=A0already (as per=A0Voodoo Lab= s recommendation)=A0and I didn't want to play too much with the wiring = of my oedalboard, If the LP2 works perfectly with a generic 200ma supply, I= would imagine it would work well=A0 running off one of these inputs.
=A0
Another thin= g to=A0note about power supplies is that the LP2 won't work with 9V Lin= e 6 supplies (like the one that comes wth the M5) because the barrel connec= tor on these does not extend long enough to go through the LP chassis. I wo= uld imagine that most other ones would work fine.
--e89a8f3b55d461764904be6c5cfb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 24 14:48:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D15118345A; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:48:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NWLcKw8D2dOm83Nw2yNYcMRFgu71jxCXfrqKoGAinXI=; b=rYquYWXkGEq56PzGEBnrjHqZMK6vT/LYACKOcfDHVgWLbc5scxkt3YYuxbsyWb1rew euFvfkbCPqe+ivTsm63PoH9Asutw1NR3nTPdtS7+nRyzGeLTJUu3jVe30/oOPue8ZRR0 iVcV0FnNQ8HiBmmEmhETeuDsR98SRsEuugsI6sOEh1Hvty1RgE0i3xqwOQ2i0qTrIkyC 5a3srjLIv+DiV18ssdQg0qu5RhyLn0gHNwlvhwR0LYL2ABGqxDleGb5dnOi2K1eDCqZQ yfFcQh8m+gvkRQxTIHVQfiEtelexVjYwjw9EW0N8GhyXuh60wNGA5JUCOpK1PkO5DUzR LehA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F7E871C.1090604@cruzio.com> <0463D8BF-2833-47F1-A801-28B83EFBB3B6@gmail.com> <4F81479F.5090906@tiscali.co.uk> <4F9691E9.2060806@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:48:56 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looperlative LP2 From: Thomas Wegmann To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:48:57 +0000 (UTC) I too had issues with the barrel connector but the one that came with my Ethos pedal fit perfectly. The more time I spend with my LP2 the more I like it. I had trouble with cheap batteries and did not have any better ones at the time so I went through every power supply I had and none of them fit until I tried the Ethos Pedal power supply. I have some Boss and Digitech power supplies and none of the barrels would fit. I agree with all that Pawel said and the more time spent on the LP2 the more I get used to it. I did try my Roland pedal in the Feedback jack it worked for me but I still need to spend more time adjusting it as my loop faded faster than I wanted. I hope to report more later. Thanks, Weg On 4/24/12, Pawel Janowski wrote: > On 24 April 2012 12:43, andy butler wrote: > >> Nice to hear a positive review. >> >> Will be interesting to know how you get on with the feedback control. > > > Feedback is one of the main features I wanted, so hopefully it works well= . > I am also curious how it will behave when used in conjunction with the > various effects.I will report back after I try it (hopefully tonight) > > >> Guess you didn't try it with the high current outputs of the PP2, >> described here: >> >> >> 9V (x2) =96 High Current 9V and Line 6 Modelers These two outputs each >> deliver 250mA allowing you to run high current draw effects like the Bos= s >> DD-20 Giga Delay or Line 6 DL4 Delay Modeler. Via switches underneath th= e >> Pedal Power 2 Plus, these two outputs can be separately configured for >> regulated (Boss Twin Pedals) or unregulated (Line 6 Modelers) power >> allowing you to run both units if so desired. These outputs can also pow= er >> any standard 9V effects as well. >> >> It would seem 100mA isn't enough, which I believe ties in with the >> recommendations passed >> on by Rick. >> >> andy >> > > I am aware of these and didn't try them because they were powering my Lin= e6 > M5 already (as per Voodoo Labs recommendation) and I didn't want to play > too much with the wiring of my oedalboard, If the LP2 works perfectly wit= h > a generic 200ma supply, I would imagine it would work well running off o= ne > of these inputs. > > Another thing to note about power supplies is that the LP2 won't work wit= h > 9V Line 6 supplies (like the one that comes wth the M5) because the barre= l > connector on these does not extend long enough to go through the LP > chassis. I would imagine that most other ones would work fine. > --=20 Greg Wegmann TheWeg@Frontier.com TheWeg@GMail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 24 16:14:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1416D183466; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:14:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=OPbM885ZSr63UkjR9clGBKarNULQ2bTD96W4ZTJuWNI=; b=NmOjEjOawyi5dM2aTrRknCfE9KiydKZH9x2fv7cHzHm17/P872PsSKv+FwQ5VeuYIf jIIjAe8QiRmtdld77zZOcpNntN0016kvf+U33ZvO56blljaX1O9dv1WpTxAf3ltDXq7l k9tI8i4mrswQZDmW9fBiDgVTmrN82Py3YFhZgx9MhOYik5DhUm1+XsC1LYcaZeZqZZpU g7DaY9tlDee89zqTngHfRX/Rg1Fh9yXskrgBPWJeiqqmMnhAfjecOFPwTvOYxcD2bTYN v9gtNkL+45t4FrAgl7H7jAuIfUCUMpC3hmzTyGlKB2qQiJufYq0emxd3QkDoQ/Y5WnMB +kBw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:14:48 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: evoloop? From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d508eac59c2504be6f0dac Resent-Message-ID: <4fa2xB.A.FZD.5FtlPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:14:49 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d508eac59c2504be6f0dac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ok, i will say that this evoloop thing looks cool. any chance it will do varispeed (slow down/speed up?) modulation? (yes, i want it all!!!!!) man that looks cool. maybe it's the hazy graphic look. and cheaper? wow, i love that. although in my search of going through loopers, i will say that occasionally i see EDPs getting cheaper, and i think about it for a moment or so.... just curious... s--- re: Either that or we could all lobby Matthias to hurry and finish up his = work on this: --0016e6d508eac59c2504be6f0dac Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok, i will say that this evoloop thing looks cool. any chance it will do va= rispeed (slow down/speed up?) modulation? (yes, i want it all!!!!!)
man = that looks cool.
maybe it's the hazy graphic look. and cheaper? wow,= i love that.
although in my search of going through loopers, i will say that occasionall= y i see EDPs getting cheaper, and i think about it for a moment or so....just curious...
s---


re:
Either that or we could all lob= by Matthias to hurry and finish up his =3D
work on this:

<http://www.evoloo= p.org/>
--0016e6d508eac59c2504be6f0dac-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 24 19:04:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B79C5183461; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:04:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: EDP Nextloop Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 21:04:01 +0200 Message-ID: <000c01cd224d$0328bcc0$097a3640$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CD225D.C6B18CC0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0iTQJXqhdeQOnfQ5ilHiygg24v5Q== Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:04:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CD225D.C6B18CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've dug out one of my trusty EDPs and had the footpedal switches = replaced, I can now use it in my band rehearsal room (where I don't use = laptop and plugins).=20 =20 One thing that occurred to me is that I never used Nextloop. Could = someone please point me to the correct usage of this feature for a = rhythmical, song oriented structure - which settings do I need to be = able (e.g. Loopcopy) to first create a copy of my first loop that I can = then modify, or to create a second loop that fits the first one, = rhythmically, and how do I seamlessly switch between them? I played with = this for a while and it never switched in time. =20 -Michael =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CD225D.C6B18CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I've dug out one of my trusty EDPs and = had the footpedal switches replaced, I can = now use it in my band rehearsal room (where I don't use laptop and plugins).

 

One thing that occurred to me is that = I never used Nextloop. Could someone please = point me to the correct usage of this feature for a rhythmical, song = oriented structure - which settings do I need to be able (e.g. Loopcopy) to first create a copy of my first loop = that I can then modify, or to create a second loop that fits the first = one, rhythmically, and how do I seamlessly switch between them? I played = with this for a while and it never switched in = time.

 

-Michael

=  

 

------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CD225D.C6B18CC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 24 19:56:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E253B183465; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:56:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 751357795/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.21.171/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.21.171 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAA8Fl09YbRWr/2dsb2JhbAANN7UJAQEBAwE4QAYLCxgJFg8JAwIBAgFFBgEVAYgGumWQcgSbW41H X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,476,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="751357795" Message-ID: <4F97056F.3000608@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:56:31 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Matthias Grob Subject: Re: evoloop? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:56:31 +0000 (UTC) Scott Hansen wrote: > ok, i will say that this evoloop thing looks cool. any chance it will do > varispeed (slow down/speed up?) :-) yep. In a test version of the plugin I've had it responding to continuous pitch control. ..and also following midi Note-On over the full 10 Oct range, ...as well as follow midi pitch bend. Sound quality is pretty good over 2 octaves up or down. Beyond that it's increasingly lo-fi. There's no reason that shouldn't be in the hardware. > modulation? (yes, i want it all!!!!!) not so far, andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 24 20:09:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF7CE183463; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:09:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 753754711/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.21.171/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.21.171 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAIYHl09YbRWr/2dsb2JhbAANN4VoryEBAQEEIxVRCxgCAgUhAgIPAkYcAa9Nkx6BL4wegg2BGASbW41H X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,476,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="753754711" Message-ID: <4F970874.70702@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 21:09:24 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Nextloop References: <000c01cd224d$0328bcc0$097a3640$@de> In-Reply-To: <000c01cd224d$0328bcc0$097a3640$@de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:09:23 +0000 (UTC) Michael, there are many ways to use NextLoop. This is for Unsynced playing. The way I do it is to have SwitchQuant=CnF which opens up the options and SamplerStyle=Sta which means the loop will always play from start when you go to it (otherwise it continues from where it was left) MoreLoops = 2 which keeps things simple So, make loop 1 hit Next ..... .... Nothing happens, CnF means "Confirm", EDp's waiting for you to tell it *how* to Nextloop. Most useful 3 options are to then hit Record ...record loop2 Undo ...play loop 2 if it's there Multiply ...copy loop 1 to loop2, just like a mult with all it's alternate endings. If you want Next to work on the first press, you need to sus the LoopCopy and AutoRecord params and set SwitchQuant= Off ...but if you're improv-ing you'll have lost all the flexibility of SwitchQuant=CnF can only sign off with *have fun* :-) andy Michael Peters wrote: > I've dug out one of my trusty EDPs and had the footpedal switches > replaced, I can now use it in my band rehearsal room (where I don't use > laptop and plugins). > > > > One thing that occurred to me is that I never used Nextloop. Could > someone please point me to the correct usage of this feature for a > rhythmical, song oriented structure - which settings do I need to be > able (e.g. Loopcopy) to first create a copy of my first loop that I can > then modify, or to create a second loop that fits the first one, > rhythmically, and how do I seamlessly switch between them? I played with > this for a while and it never switched in time. > > > > -Michael > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 24 22:36:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B09F183466; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 22:36:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 487 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 22:36:08 UTC Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1960936098==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120424222809.13500.42370.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:28:10 +0000 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Looper's Delight misconception Resent-Message-ID: <0yPM1D.A.mlG.YrylPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 22:36:09 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============1960936098== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello.=20So,=20if=20Livelooping=20is=20having=20all=20the=20newer=20informa= tion,=20and=20loopers-delight.com=20 isn't,=20then=20how=20come=20this=20mailing=20list=20(from=20Looper's=20Del= ight)=20still=20thrives,=20and=20people=20are=20adding=20and=20deleting=20 Looper=20Profiles=20all=20the=20time?=20Why=20would=20a=20mailing=20list=20= thrive,=20even=20though=20it's=20part=20of=20a=20website=20 stuck=20in=202006?=20I=20don't=20like=20it=20that=20the=20site=20is=20stuck= =20in=202006.=20I=20joined=20the=20mailing=20list=20 anyway,=20and=20it=20was=20thriving! Tyler=20Z --===============1960936098==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 24 22:51:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4E47183463; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 22:51:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F972E4B.3010606@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:50:51 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Wegmann CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Looperlative LP2 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 22:51:00 +0000 (UTC) On 4/24/12 7:48 AM, Thomas Wegmann wrote: > I too had issues with the barrel connector but the one that came with > my Ethos pedal fit perfectly. Is this the power supply you are talking about, Weg? http://www.emtcompany.com/acer-aspire-ethos-as8943g-9319-laptop-charger/ac19v03.html (at $19.95, it is comparably priced with the Boss PSA 120 and the One Spot neither of which fits tightly in the LP-2). If, not would you be into letting us know the model number so that we can post American, European, and Asian sources for it to facilitate future LP-2 owners? And thanks for your review. This puppy is a pretty sophisticated mangler for the purposes you mentioned. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 00:37:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2409183462; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 00:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JYQIUidRAECiNa+jsiaNMIhYElg3H2WoMKCJIGO75f4= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=hx9RlbRElZoXvLjOE6UA:9 a=jhWlzfDi6KuVsnh3GYIA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: evoloop? From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: <4F97056F.3000608@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:37:06 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4F97056F.3000608@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 00:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Andy, Andy chance that this "varispeed" version of the plugin might make it = out to those of us who are already regular paid and registered users of = the current VST? That would be cool indeed...while I pine away waiting for the hardware = version to become a reality. Cheers, Ted On Apr 24, 2012, at 12:56 PM, andy butler wrote: > Scott Hansen wrote: >> ok, i will say that this evoloop thing looks cool. any chance it will = do varispeed (slow down/speed up?) >=20 > :-) yep. >=20 > In a test version of the plugin I've had it responding to continuous = pitch control. >=20 > ..and also following midi Note-On over the full 10 Oct range, > ...as well as follow midi pitch bend. >=20 > Sound quality is pretty good over 2 octaves up or down. Beyond that = it's increasingly lo-fi. >=20 > There's no reason that shouldn't be in the hardware. >=20 >> modulation? (yes, i want it all!!!!!) >=20 > not so far,=20 >=20 > andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 01:44:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4C7D183462; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 01:44:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=EOHzNXCZuJ9L+Qh0KPDcMSu7w9DpQ3j3Ld8Fm/ZeS4w=; b=iHnRjD2xHFZ1YYYlnkRJpf2c3D7ePRZ1JtNvS9wbAVf8d4ETYjkV55oNhqjh2W5ukE x9258EZ2KrDTwZtDwOf1UPT8CBQBrSsi8U0XxU5PDKB6vKyeD2trWbeMfGLM0gDaqUy8 8ml+ISnrlSYrFfRd0TufDMza9A4N8+5bAAkGdmQtPaG+QXzWElBNe9xCmyYRMZBy/oLE DogDfj61Kds3JN+b7RROh4RagMiJGRuqHSlR/kSOFSnMZL2mU3KnQ6lFoFumvWVM7bNN Hyz/fA/6uEv30ITzuK8KpreuIjVisWyXVqMc3xXRYumjiR04NYnLbE6tgZmZA+aKLYmv nqJg== From: Matthias Grob Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 3 million hits with livelooping Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 22:44:00 -0300 Message-Id: To: Loop List Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Resent-Message-ID: <5XBInB.A.mR.mb1lPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 01:44:06 +0000 (UTC) what do you think of this? http://youtu.be/3FUds2j3wPQ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 02:24:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 808AE18345D; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 02:24:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=EOHzNXCZuJ9L+Qh0KPDcMSu7w9DpQ3j3Ld8Fm/ZeS4w=; b=j9TAMmbppdKGvOszi8O1BBmd+s1JwDEWGR2sMu8ibbD6MlxrHTvrfsMXkSt4K1IFdK lvliQIwNcaFT0V+43NT5vp9dfzyMyvKM2uT+g9kzL9aWZ+RdaFzkbLF036QkPI4KqmUG Zm7I5Jqnr7ywNIn/aACL61cFvvx71gSWUI24geVBL/AuqUZHn6eXMqBDMj/KpxJp4YJW UTTY+lY77azJZEBj8u+Fg3EBP8SOYbZvcEuHCAPt2pydPOgIhfw/DE0ODmVa55mwSCmG JESI2HDWsb32PQ0ZB3RVjfWDg9+PgwYbtZNleZ8kNC9A6/pCohwB1iBeys3DpbF+wJoe oK1Q== From: Matthias Grob Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 3 million hits with livelooping Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 23:24:00 -0300 Message-Id: To: Loop List Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 02:24:06 +0000 (UTC) what do you think of this? http://youtu.be/3FUds2j3wPQ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 02:35:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D2B318345A; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 02:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=XsShMDPjtyJztP+DsIgNL75aqQI/MBA5lj4WBzu1X24=; b=Fls2iqrAHCxjUJ6q/6qbGAFxh8t+2WtuigeSV8xjodfiIE7MGFDgjvJVbtfs6zPdWN gbLz/iX3EMxvYjiodCnZ41d2Hjwlt4DSTkHpSP6BHLwQo/cSqvCOInAZWlein6YdT6lm zgJWAx8kVtIyooDNA3kOA5y8o1mFvcde2t/1a02CaIcgC7PDHg22lDWdt/fGu8t3dDpG BhLkoFx6w1PCKFSxAxIZU07HnNef1DBv6DDRMuUmoTXX8g1AoXl3YmXFwBDQ+efJWagA YfYRdqiXcnXwpuOPBHLVlZ9+e/Zr63pAlnkG7tlu4uHYXv/LriDYOgNG9StVjcAbzlr9 tZNA== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:35:31 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 02:35:36 +0000 (UTC) I think these kids know how to leverage the power of the Internet... "MysteryGuitarMan" has been making amusing videos for some time now, = really built up a following :) :) On Apr 24, 2012, at 7:24 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > what do you think of this? >=20 > http://youtu.be/3FUds2j3wPQ >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 03:02:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38B1B183462; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 03:02:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JYQIUidRAECiNa+jsiaNMIhYElg3H2WoMKCJIGO75f4= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=jJrOw3FHAAAA:8 a=Kn8fLcy9uH8yJbISsWQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:02:43 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <80ZPj.A.NLB.Vl2lPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 03:02:45 +0000 (UTC) Hmmmm.... What do I think of it? Not a whole lot. I mean it's cute and clever. Would I buy it? Would I listen to it again? Would I share it with all my friends? Seriously? No...no...and again...no. But that's just me. I'm anti-social and weird anyway. So take it with a dose of salt. Hope that helps. On Apr 24, 2012, at 7:24 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > what do you think of this? > > http://youtu.be/3FUds2j3wPQ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 03:08:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0D93183462; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 03:08:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=YKxOMGS+v/F1zca8OJAwKT09S5tHfvUGIZCsVyzj3F0=; b=odH58BSrVcZkvVlfHb6KUespSYso4RiamGayiDdg/bzjDrpVp+YGi+aJ0PWALd4J4l iM2KW/hUxrQQqm7DbE+ecuYmpP6c/kF2Afh/MDD+G/lh3XwK/CTGNULo+ByDfmNQHyNq grx8Nkl8jZ5FYZuk/uZaWoAAy1j/UzJJD6w2IJ26XYSVZX4HSndCXuAMF0wIzq5tkyDg 5uvrQi4bLhMOtsAgmvqPv3lEH3buPezd+SqAQPfY4SI+0wsnkLC2UI2EGogSkX3cYhLo 40NWg0sgGL3Ts8rtgfcxtgakqaWNapCxWvcIzBx2J0nw/WMwyPPbaO9xRllbiNRmBOsz aOjQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F972E4B.3010606@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 23:08:14 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Looperlative LP2 From: Thomas Wegmann To: Rick Walker Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b10cb79a893cd04be782e4f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 03:08:16 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b10cb79a893cd04be782e4f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey all, I got my power supply for the LP2 AT http://www.Jameco.com for $7.95. The website has a $10.00 minimum so I bought 2. The model # is 15368, I got my original one with the Ethos pedal the day before my LP2 came, it's a 12VDC 500mA and the barrel fits perfectly. Hope this helps all who need one, it's a great price. Thanks, Weg On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Thomas Wegmann wrote: > Hey Rick, that is not the one but I'll post when I get home tonight. They > are $7. 95 but the site has a $10.00 min. I got 2! > On Apr 24, 2012 6:50 PM, "Rick Walker" wrote: > >> On 4/24/12 7:48 AM, Thomas Wegmann wrote: >> >>> I too had issues with the barrel connector but the one that came with >>> my Ethos pedal fit perfectly. >>> >> Is this the power supply you are talking about, Weg? >> >> http://www.emtcompany.com/**acer-aspire-ethos-as8943g-** >> 9319-laptop-charger/ac19v03.**html >> >> (at $19.95, it is comparably priced with the Boss PSA 120 and the One >> Spot neither of which fits >> tightly in the LP-2). >> >> If, not would you be into letting us know the model number so that we >> can post American, European, and >> Asian sources for it to facilitate future LP-2 owners? >> >> And thanks for your review. This puppy is a pretty sophisticated >> mangler for the purposes you >> mentioned. >> >> Rick Walker >> > -- Greg Wegmann TheWeg@Frontier.com TheWeg@GMail.com --047d7b10cb79a893cd04be782e4f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey all,
=A0 =A0= I got my power supply for the LP2 AT http= ://www.Jameco.com for $7.95. =A0The website has a $10.00 minimum so I b= ought 2. =A0The model # is 15368, =A0I got my original one with the Ethos p= edal the day before my LP2 came, it's a 12VDC 500mA and the barrel fits= perfectly. =A0Hope this helps all who need one, it's a great price.

Thanks,
Weg=A0

On Tu= e, Apr 24, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Thomas Wegmann <theweg@gmail.com>= wrote:

Hey Rick, that is not the one but I'l= l post when I get home tonight.=A0 They are $7. 95 but the site has a $10.0= 0 min.=A0 I got 2!

On Apr 24, 2012 6:50 PM, "Rick Walker"= <looppool@cruz= io.com> wrote:
I too had issues with the barrel connector but the one that came with
my Ethos pedal fit perfectly.
Is this the power supply you are talking about, =A0Weg?

http://www.emtcompany.com/ac= er-aspire-ethos-as8943g-9319-laptop-charger/ac19v03.html<= br>
(at $19.95, =A0it is comparably priced with the Boss PSA 120 and the One Sp= ot neither of which fits
tightly in the LP-2).

If, =A0not would you be into letting us know the model number so that we ca= n post American, European, and
Asian sources for it to facilitate future LP-2 owners?

And thanks for your review. =A0 This puppy is a pretty sophisticated mangle= r for the purposes you
mentioned.

Rick Walker



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--047d7b10cb79a893cd04be782e4f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 03:33:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6284D183461; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 03:33:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=QglHyyLjaPTkUDbA5oQRXLE5RdYFZGhOGooi70r9kmM=; b=HJTsbuhZ48mfezE0C7kZ7d1bMHp5r2ZGHioZ3xieILDcrvwx/4RZGDXKcbRy7QAANp eomkdeLN3DIYUKq5BGI4jX4ZvHb5OYIhgIQG9ANcxOFf40x44/dQwzh3hmFkY4C7VFaQ c3jsI9Ambv+nlPfhV+MOl/D+8ssntSqnwPAntR0uIgPD/Ub5RxNopzCx8sdNxsfC56/n WNyZTyiVTjgqwUN4DhlM+Y8cT5idq65FdGxSjOwOUKZTuLJLrn2c46aoJAEMRFsMG7uD Wn4oLR0sWpnaNupzKEVL2vgL5UT4sduDLrwsyDlXgeenbSS2kPemG9nT9zBcFO0/5sGp ickA== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Subject: Re: Insane to even contemplate? From: Matthias Grob In-Reply-To: <07377F19-4011-4AEC-A49D-E91AD9483697@charter.net> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 00:33:26 -0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <3C150BC2-8FD9-4280-9227-33B052D43ACB@grubmah.com> <07377F19-4011-4AEC-A49D-E91AD9483697@charter.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Resent-Message-ID: <1Ihjh.A.NjB.LC3lPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 03:33:31 +0000 (UTC) no pain at all, Ted, I love you! and I can tell everyone that we are back at hard work (after a year of = many distractions) we had to change the processor module, but front panel and software are = pretty advanced and we use a gantter plan now! I never really planned my work in the = past=85 :-( so eventually we can even do predictions :-) How do you like Kickstarter ? On 23 Apr 2012, at 11:45 AM, Ted Killian wrote: > Mark, >=20 > Either that or we could all lobby Matthias to hurry and finish up his = work on this: >=20 > >=20 > I have been doing so for years, to the point where he probably thinks = of me as a pain in the neck. >=20 > I am happy to have and use his EchoLoop VST. >=20 > But I seriously still yearn for the new hardware version. >=20 > Hi dee ho. >=20 > Ted >=20 > On Apr 22, 2012, at 6:11 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: >=20 >> I want to take the guts of an EDP and an EDP footswitch and sort of = meld them together. I need the faceplate from the EDP to show up on the = front of the melded device though obviously I don't need most of the = buttons since I'll have the footswitch buttons. >>=20 >> As a bonus feature, it would be great to have stereo friendliness = added as circuitry that would support passing a stereo signal through = even if the loop was mono. That's obviously going to fight with the mix = knob, however. Even cooler, provide an insert after the loop to go from = mono back to stereo. >>=20 >> Am I insane to contemplate this? >>=20 >> (And while I'm contemplating it, how about using the Boomerang = footswitches and throwing in one of the Boomerang roller expression = pedals...) >>=20 >> Mark >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 04:14:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1B40183464; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 04:14:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ke8/ZM5hZ0Efxq2WhPyQ94cukBW+odKNiNYWE0ZdZ1s=; b=ojINbiDD3z76khgtm2epZjFCpZw8MY3aA0av5qOugyzV6c4+dek2kkF23aMjksko9v 5EdGKZBwaeaK+yJM09puCoaOgHoZIesaRnixOV1cr1BsD92cqhJSFhwG0/+cmkSfBf8z q1VYx0JSNYYiJ/1y0s/Rd/q5olRGT1AEjnFK3L0Pwmy1XC5OlRVLTqX8K6pisxPiOpG7 SwSUaw5KP379f3YZOYGHZPGwQyDJmVVtfVEZvacEqL7xRjwKyG8qtZtIDuyb9nH5SlEH 3pTrb6ibZzyRZd3Zstfi7DdBNbdAKZOIm9KYmttlp6632xHH7rGkBhtPu0NItBESoGL0 0NIA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <3C150BC2-8FD9-4280-9227-33B052D43ACB@grubmah.com> <07377F19-4011-4AEC-A49D-E91AD9483697@charter.net> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 22:14:05 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Insane to even contemplate? From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 04:14:06 +0000 (UTC) Matthias, Kickstarter has proven to be an extremely effective way of raising funds for project. Are you considering using it to make the hardware version happen? Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > no pain at all, Ted, I love you! > > and I can tell everyone that we are back at hard work (after a year of ma= ny distractions) > we had to change the processor module, but front panel and software are p= retty advanced > and we use a gantter plan now! I never really planned my work in the past= =85 :-( > so eventually we can even do predictions :-) > How do you like Kickstarter ? > > On 23 Apr 2012, at 11:45 AM, Ted Killian wrote: > >> Mark, >> >> Either that or we could all lobby Matthias to hurry and finish up his wo= rk on this: >> >> >> >> I have been doing so for years, to the point where he probably thinks of= me as a pain in the neck. >> >> I am happy to have and use his EchoLoop VST. >> >> But I seriously still yearn for the new hardware version. >> >> Hi dee ho. >> >> Ted >> >> On Apr 22, 2012, at 6:11 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: >> >>> I want to take the guts of an EDP and an EDP footswitch and sort of mel= d them together. I need the faceplate from the EDP to show up on the front = of the melded device though obviously I don't need most of the buttons sinc= e I'll have the footswitch buttons. >>> >>> As a bonus feature, it would be great to have stereo friendliness added= as circuitry that would support passing a stereo signal through even if th= e loop was mono. That's obviously going to fight with the mix knob, however= . Even cooler, provide an insert after the loop to go from mono back to ste= reo. >>> >>> Am I insane to contemplate this? >>> >>> (And while I'm contemplating it, how about using the Boomerang footswit= ches and throwing in one of the Boomerang roller expression pedals...) >>> >>> Mark >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 05:47:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5DB6183462; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:47:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=rvNqJbVGdbt4egs52VbhtoJZG7AoPDG9H2iogr/sNfs= c=1 sm=1 a=DamDIY7pXFQA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=G1dPmjavSa6vsMDkqNQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Insane to even contemplate? From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 22:47:17 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <3C150BC2-8FD9-4280-9227-33B052D43ACB@grubmah.com> <07377F19-4011-4AEC-A49D-E91AD9483697@charter.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:47:19 +0000 (UTC) Matthi, On Apr 24, 2012, at 8:33 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > How do you like Kickstarter ? I have contributed to a couple of projects on Kickstarter. It seems to work for some sorts ofprojects. Maybe it might work for EvoLoop. Best, Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 06:39:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05E1A183463; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:39:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <20120424222809.13500.42370.levelstar.mail@everest> In-Reply-To: <20120424222809.13500.42370.levelstar.mail@everest> Subject: RE: Looper's Delight misconception Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 08:39:17 +0200 Message-ID: <004101cd22ae$23af0920$6b0d1b60$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-Language: de Thread-Index: Ac0iSAAzUkrRCpuqQGKV7xnhRvRkEwAZIROg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:39:25 +0000 (UTC) > Why would a mailing list thrive, even though it's part of a website = stuck in 2006?=20 simply because the mailing list doesn't have to be maintained, it is run = by the people who use it - whereas the website has to be worked on to = reanimate it, it actually needs a complete redesign, and sadly, neither = website founder Kim Flint who tragically died a while ago, nor his = partner Violet who is now in charge of it ever felt like doing that. In = the beginning, it was a useful and important website representing a = large community of loopers, and we were all grateful that it was there, = but by keeping the site for themselves instead of opening it up, for = reasons nobody really understands, the site owners effectively killed = it.=20 -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 06:42:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FF9B183463; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:42:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=UnTQP5UOxANrsFlruOvFnL2apmtMvHb9KqZLdlRRg0U=; b=stgZdRL+xNE6tTf1tvrZj+30WzHAeRFaijelXzjZvF57qpEG07B0m/v0PZeuR2OqP+ YmjrLXHJdA0zMqQk46oqRiss47nY6+etxW93BdUCF1YINQozLda860EYdIolmmp4kExj 9TbmbSy2gI2HWYmoB8kPs8XMyZCMX5bk1W46hPw50IWvmrPjd3DsR3xn8BqBKFmZO/2D G5ZrKzrO2dDhqMQ4QGz7D4YGZMBSyYN0tgW0WWIXwEGJNWsycyyXZ7jNfxDrskVAmIpv SeFW8enHczy1fZp+OotlFfYSQ4HNeWZKOQ9wcqe3iA+QzVdB3Wvl6aRevzd2wAIOGJax 0wKg== References: <176BABB7-15EA-4D50-B45B-7CC501A13196@earthlink.net> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 08:41:58 +0200 Message-ID: <-6055661110121957615@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: questions on the Repeater mk II and Looperlative To: Cara Quinn Cc: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04088cc94154fe04be7b2bbb Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:42:04 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04088cc94154fe04be7b2bbb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable not sure Cara, i dont have an LP1. My understanding is that its pretty fully featured, certainly Bill Walkers videos In YouTube are prob a good start... I think his channel is billwalkerguitars, @ bill can u point Cara In the right direction? Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 25 Apr 2012, at 03:05, Cara Quinn wrote: Ah Mark, thanks bunches to you and others who have responded. You rock!!! -Am looking forward to checking this out and connecting up with one soon! Actually, now that I think of it, are there any really good places on the web I might hear some good demos of the LP 1? -I know what the repeater sounds like and I love them and only just barely know what the LP 1 can do. Anyway, thanks to All! Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn On Apr 22, 2012, at 11:07 PM, mark francombe wrote: Here you go Cara...the manual is for repeater 2.0 is attatched... and a document that fully explains how to do the noise mod. I have NOT done this, and still have a noisy Repeater, however, I seriously suggest sending to Peter Toms in Seattle to have the mod done. He is Mr Repeater! ...and no LP! certainly does NOT do time stretching like the Repeater... nothing does! regards Mark PS: the attachments have probably been ripped off the LD mailing list version of this mail, but I have sent to your private address too On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Cara Quinn wrote= : > Hi All; > > Am wondering if someone can point me to a manual or such for the second > generation of the Repeater? > > I've also heard about a 'noise mod' for the Repeater mk II, would someone > be so kind as to describe it? :) > > Also, I'm assuming the Looperlative can do the real-time time stretching > idea that the Repeater can? Yes?=85 Am also assuming that the LP 1's loop= s > can be pitched on the fly as well?=85 > > Are these assumptions true?=85 > > Thanks bunches and have a terrific day / evening, wherever you may be!=85 > > Smiles, > > Cara :) > --- > View my Online Portfolio at: > http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn > > --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d04088cc94154fe04be7b2bbb Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
not sure Cara, i dont hav= e an LP1. My understanding is that its pretty fully featured, certainly Bil= l Walkers videos In YouTube are prob a good start... I think his channel is= billwalkerguitars,=A0
@ bill can u point Cara In the right direction?

Sent from my (a= dvertisement removed)

On 25 Apr 2012, at 03:05, Cara Quinn &l= t;Cara-Quinn@earthlink.net&= gt; wrote:

Ah Mark, thanks bunches= to you and others who have responded. You rock!!!

-Am l= ooking forward to checking this out and connecting up with one soon!

Actually, now that I think of it, are there any really good = places on the web I might hear some good demos of the LP 1? -I know what th= e repeater sounds like and I love them and only just barely know what the L= P 1 can do.

Anyway, thanks to All!

Smiles,=

Cara :)
---
View my Online Portf= olio at:

On Apr 22, 2012, at 11:07 PM, mark francombe wrote:

Here you go = Cara...the manual is=A0 for repeater 2.0 is attatched... and a document tha= t fully explains how to do the noise mod.
I have NOT done this, and still have a noisy Repeater, however, I seriously= suggest sending to Peter Toms in Seattle to have the mod done. He is Mr Re= peater!
...and no LP! certainly does NOT do time stretching like the Repeater... no= thing does!

regards

Mark

PS: the attachments have prob= ably been ripped off the LD mailing list version of this mail, but I have s= ent to your private address too




On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 2:30 AM,= Cara Quinn <Cara-Quinn@earthlink.net> wrote:
Hi All;

Am wondering if someone can point me to a manual or such for the second gen= eration of the Repeater?

I've also heard about a 'noise mod' for the Repeater mk II, wou= ld someone be so kind as to describe it? :)

Also, I'm assuming the Looperlative can do the real-time time stretchin= g idea that the Repeater can? Yes?=85 Am also assuming that the LP 1's = loops can be pitched on the fly as well?=85

Are these assumptions true?=85

Thanks bunches and have a terrific day / evening, wherever you may be!=85
Smiles,

Cara :)
---
View my Online Portfolio at:
http:/= /www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn




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--f46d04088cc94154fe04be7b2bbb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 07:10:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11593183462; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 07:10:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=v0UK/pIZZPmDK+Mfl6pnRpQ4wiXBN0uruJ+cGPHPqGo=; b=UIW+yZ9fm+7ADh85eCULhmtK28d4I2FkSZHdTobNGOKc2ZMRBjlw1WeGVB9Yju59rQ dDzUGceSy7FIJ2fLtQILTEtQveZr6dHmhV3YvTcFzt2NlGhy1L/au812enKhXQ+g2V4p igLu5vMb8bnEc6SJ47Pqn23JHFka4cFKc+/5kh3+zB8WjZuqY5QwIL0H+P3VgMVTYIGn emjrM1XfvE3OKRKbBB0EVdcxO/2oP/xYdftrvureOxqyj3K3LY0V9bRpugbVNfY6HDje UKdtajH8FfZBJuALAJRqRs63wXMVr0qytG+SHkUCg+lcwthZi1gUqsNdFwGmSaFruLjj Po8g== References: <4F97056F.3000608@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: <4F97056F.3000608@tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 08:51:52 +0200 Message-ID: <-4311140050827096171@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: evoloop? To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Cc: Matthias Grob Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 07:10:24 +0000 (UTC) Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 24 Apr 2012, at 21:56, andy butler wrote: > > > > :-) yep. WHAT!!!!!!! i thought it was just gonna be a hardware stereo echoloop.... varispeed???? OMG.... this is getting frigjtening!!! mark > > In a test version of the plugin I've had it responding to continuous pitch control. > > ..and also following midi Note-On over the full 10 Oct range, > ...as well as follow midi pitch bend. > > Sound quality is pretty good over 2 octaves up or down. Beyond that it's increasingly lo-fi. > > There's no reason that shouldn't be in the hardware. > >> modulation? (yes, i want it all!!!!!) > > not so far, > > andy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 10:57:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F54A183461; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:57:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F97D8A6.8090108@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 03:57:42 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Wegmann CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative LP2 References: <4F972E4B.3010606@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020600010809070107040600" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:57:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020600010809070107040600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this rocks!!!!! thanks, Thomas! and I suppose that 12 v is okay even though it asks for 9v? yours, Rick ps I'm ordering 2 today! On 4/24/12 8:08 PM, Thomas Wegmann wrote: > Hey all, > I got my power supply for the LP2 AT http://www.Jameco.com for > $7.95. The website has a $10.00 minimum so I bought 2. The model # > is 15368, I got my original one with the Ethos pedal the day before > my LP2 came, it's a 12VDC 500mA and the barrel fits perfectly. Hope > this helps all who need one, it's a great price. > > Thanks, > Weg > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Thomas Wegmann > wrote: > > Hey Rick, that is not the one but I'll post when I get home > tonight. They are $7. 95 but the site has a $10.00 min. I got 2! > > On Apr 24, 2012 6:50 PM, "Rick Walker" > wrote: > > On 4/24/12 7:48 AM, Thomas Wegmann wrote: > > I too had issues with the barrel connector but the one > that came with > my Ethos pedal fit perfectly. > > Is this the power supply you are talking about, Weg? > > http://www.emtcompany.com/acer-aspire-ethos-as8943g-9319-laptop-charger/ac19v03.html > > (at $19.95, it is comparably priced with the Boss PSA 120 and > the One Spot neither of which fits > tightly in the LP-2). > > If, not would you be into letting us know the model number so > that we can post American, European, and > Asian sources for it to facilitate future LP-2 owners? > > And thanks for your review. This puppy is a pretty > sophisticated mangler for the purposes you > mentioned. > > Rick Walker > > > > > -- > Greg Wegmann > > TheWeg@Frontier.com > TheWeg@GMail.com > --------------020600010809070107040600 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this rocks!!!!!   thanks, Thomas!

and I suppose that 12 v is okay even though it asks for 9v?

yours,  Rick



ps I'm ordering 2 today!


On 4/24/12 8:08 PM, Thomas Wegmann wrote:
Hey all,
   I got my power supply for the LP2 AT http://www.Jameco.com for $7.95.  The website has a $10.00 minimum so I bought 2.  The model # is 15368,  I got my original one with the Ethos pedal the day before my LP2 came, it's a 12VDC 500mA and the barrel fits perfectly.  Hope this helps all who need one, it's a great price.

Thanks,
Weg 

On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Thomas Wegmann <theweg@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Rick, that is not the one but I'll post when I get home tonight.  They are $7. 95 but the site has a $10.00 min.  I got 2!

On Apr 24, 2012 6:50 PM, "Rick Walker" <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
On 4/24/12 7:48 AM, Thomas Wegmann wrote:
I too had issues with the barrel connector but the one that came with
my Ethos pedal fit perfectly.
Is this the power supply you are talking about,  Weg?

http://www.emtcompany.com/acer-aspire-ethos-as8943g-9319-laptop-charger/ac19v03.html

(at $19.95,  it is comparably priced with the Boss PSA 120 and the One Spot neither of which fits
tightly in the LP-2).

If,  not would you be into letting us know the model number so that we can post American, European, and
Asian sources for it to facilitate future LP-2 owners?

And thanks for your review.   This puppy is a pretty sophisticated mangler for the purposes you
mentioned.

Rick Walker



--
Greg Wegmann

TheWeg@Frontier.com


--------------020600010809070107040600-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 10:57:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A2B918347A; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:57:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=LCbXGLFGaMRz1caiAFNfUBa8womTrA9fkLaUg/x/iyw=; b=zKkiK76OJgCD4a626+ya4dAaH5WIvOO25v/LJYbZxWzGvGBYdUv6Si5iKIEI89bm5/ HRo6wV5nrPBWS1HoMlAfLsKC2d+W7VwxnAvGpEl3O/A3dzIiWz5CMBAAAj58pVPcIYV/ 6aJHnrWGVOre7Ioziux74zAuGVWbQf/WTbQ3W6Zwzvjieemdv22I22Q4IWDTkFQYfEGU IjjCS2+Qx77xIcVXlaPrkubQc9CYDa5Rq60QIlyuvv8VzoErvyoailH77GeiXeGEw0+x kRZ0qBaWt9O8Yy7BaK90l8xCOBfP+H7XebCSPXJS9YsS8RSqcNh559rhqHJhc3IQgveP udZQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:57:54 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:57:55 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:44 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: > what do you think of this? > > http://youtu.be/3FUds2j3wPQ I don't think "live looping" has anything to do with the massive hit count of that video. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 13:22:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAD02183462; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:22:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 986 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:22:29 UTC X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1335359162-0378c3240090f4a0001-hGRpYp X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: HDean@wcupa.edu X-Barracuda-Apparent-Source-IP: 144.26.0.87 X-ASG-Whitelist: Client From: "Dean, Hal" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: evoloop? Thread-Topic: evoloop? X-ASG-Orig-Subj: RE: evoloop? Thread-Index: AQHNItJEgQM5e9+ZqkmL5XnuLL/yUZarglXg Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:06:01 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.28.73.115] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Barracuda-Connect: wcu-xch-03.wcupa.edu[144.26.0.87] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1335359162 X-Barracuda-Encrypted: AES128-SHA X-Barracuda-URL: http://SPAMCONTROL.WCUPA.EDU:80/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at WCUPA.EDU Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:22:29 +0000 (UTC) Hey, While we are at it, I've been baffled about how to obtain Evoloop to try ou= t. Perhaps I'm not recalling the specifics of how I tried, but I think I wr= ote Matthias about it. Any clues, anyone? Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: Ted Killian [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:37 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: evoloop? Andy, Andy chance that this "varispeed" version of the plugin might make it out t= o those of us who are already regular paid and registered users of the curr= ent VST? That would be cool indeed...while I pine away waiting for the hardware vers= ion to become a reality. Cheers, Ted On Apr 24, 2012, at 12:56 PM, andy butler wrote: > Scott Hansen wrote: >> ok, i will say that this evoloop thing looks cool. any chance it will=20 >> do varispeed (slow down/speed up?) >=20 > :-) yep. >=20 > In a test version of the plugin I've had it responding to continuous pitc= h control. >=20 > ..and also following midi Note-On over the full 10 Oct range, ...as=20 > well as follow midi pitch bend. >=20 > Sound quality is pretty good over 2 octaves up or down. Beyond that it's = increasingly lo-fi. >=20 > There's no reason that shouldn't be in the hardware. >=20 >> modulation? (yes, i want it all!!!!!) >=20 > not so far, >=20 > andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 14:28:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EADF6183461; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:28:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 300 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:28:08 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_b875508f-8935-4c89-9731-c364cbd675a3_" X-Originating-IP: [87.102.15.109] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: Insane to even contemplate? Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:23:06 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <3C150BC2-8FD9-4280-9227-33B052D43ACB@grubmah.com>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2012 14:23:07.0424 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF328A00:01CD22EE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:28:08 +0000 (UTC) --_b875508f-8935-4c89-9731-c364cbd675a3_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable go slow and steady...while you are at it buy a cheap fcb1010...inside there= is vitually nothing to it...a few chips and a strip of contact switches...= you should be able to use this instead of the traditional echoplex footswit= ch to give you all the goodness of the extra midi button functions. i have = had a go at this before but ran out of time and puit it all back as was. again=2C slow and steady. Phill=20 From: mark@markfrancombe.com Date: Mon=2C 23 Apr 2012 08:00:28 +0200 Subject: Re: Insane to even contemplate? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sounds like a great plan=2C and yes.. crazy to contemplate! AFAI remember.. the front panel items are on a different board (maybe not i= ncluding the pots=2C which could be removed and re-wired onto longer wires.= I would NOT ry to cable the internal switches up to the footswitches howev= er=2C how about just HARD-wiring the jack out from the pedal to the jack in= ? I can certainly imagine this beast! What a scary job though! Mark On Mon=2C Apr 23=2C 2012 at 3:11 AM=2C Mark Hamburg wrot= e: I want to take the guts of an EDP and an EDP footswitch and sort of meld th= em together. I need the faceplate from the EDP to show up on the front of t= he melded device though obviously I don't need most of the buttons since I'= ll have the footswitch buttons. As a bonus feature=2C it would be great to have stereo friendliness added a= s circuitry that would support passing a stereo signal through even if the = loop was mono. That's obviously going to fight with the mix knob=2C however= . Even cooler=2C provide an insert after the loop to go from mono back to s= tereo. Am I insane to contemplate this? (And while I'm contemplating it=2C how about using the Boomerang footswitch= es and throwing in one of the Boomerang roller expression pedals...) Mark --=20 Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.comwww.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ = --_b875508f-8935-4c89-9731-c364cbd675a3_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
go slow and steady...while you are at it buy a cheap fcb1010...inside there= is vitually nothing to it...a few chips and a strip of contact switches...= you should be able to use this instead of the traditional echoplex footswit= ch to give you all the goodness of the extra midi button functions. i have = had a go at this before but ran out of time and puit it all back as was.
again=2C slow and steady.

Phill&n= bsp=3B

From: mark@markfrancombe.com
Date: Mon=2C 23 Apr 2012 08:00:28 +02= 00
Subject: Re: Insane to even contemplate?
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com

Sounds like a great pla= n=2C and yes.. crazy to contemplate!

AFAI remember.. the front panel= items are on a different board (maybe not including the pots=2C which coul= d be removed and re-wired onto longer wires. I would NOT ry to cable the in= ternal switches up to the footswitches however=2C how about just HARD-wirin= g the jack out from the pedal to the jack in?
I can certainly imagine this beast! What a scary job though!

Mark
On Mon=2C Apr 23=2C 2012 at 3:11 AM=2C M= ark Hamburg <=3Bmar= k@grubmah.com>=3B wrote:
I want to take the guts of an EDP and an EDP footswitch a= nd sort of meld them together. I need the faceplate from the EDP to show up= on the front of the melded device though obviously I don't need most of th= e buttons since I'll have the footswitch buttons.

As a bonus feature=2C it would be great to have stereo friendliness added a= s circuitry that would support passing a stereo signal through even if the = loop was mono. That's obviously going to fight with the mix knob=2C however= . Even cooler=2C provide an insert after the loop to go from mono back to s= tereo.

Am I insane to contemplate this?

(And while I'm contemplating it=2C how about using the Boomerang footswitch= es and throwing in one of the Boomerang roller expression pedals...)

Mark




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http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
= --_b875508f-8935-4c89-9731-c364cbd675a3_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 14:42:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4F6F183462; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:42:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:42:40 +0100 From: Philip Conway To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping Message-ID: <4D9E2076022893817C0D384B@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: Originator-Info: login-token=Mulberry:01BGXvmXTIJ8sCmDUCRXnJVAdDk178MnSSYgtFlFcBOneTUPz922A=; token_authority=mailto:postmaster@bristol.ac.uk X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:42:46 +0000 (UTC) Eurgh, sunglasses indoors. 'nuff said! The only excuse for that is if you have a hangover. --On 25 April 2012 12:57 +0200 Per Boysen wrote: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:44 AM, Matthias Grob > wrote: >> what do you think of this? >> >> http://youtu.be/3FUds2j3wPQ > > > I don't think "live looping" has anything to do with the massive hit > count of that video. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 15:34:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 106D1183460; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:34:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4XYAmZzMadv5/BRECt/KHEx5ae4Rvk6L/1NlKdavIH4=; b=RpinggYGWQJwEJQWnMXfKWSgIJIhpl2XtCUYzl7SHLQ/duzegNsnsGB71iOCqa5i9+ 4ZgEuMtpxR9FX+k+edo2obDTgwCsWVWPBceKvIpA4d/xxfIFr6FLDDvbj0oqWeYQu2AV umloTcY6E7LzuUNuO5u/EVbfXY1sQ0/Tr9l9wxidmE0+FV4cRzO/NXbeAjiTGr+DQlwe KNUkRiUZUUVYXx0fJucMybAhF7C8RESQYkcNxsu21zlv9Vnkf7dt+WLwg2ZjCjeqSssF EODCHzwHgsoAmyvmtGSM3X5oDW+jDF/lEfMTBvwGfj2qO/f7UcKpoPgEsgz1ky3D9A1F w4Mw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D9E2076022893817C0D384B@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> References: <4D9E2076022893817C0D384B@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:34:18 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:34:19 +0000 (UTC) It is useful to present the concept of "live looping" to a larger audience. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 15:58:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2F4A18345C; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:58:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-19-580041678 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: questions on the Repeater mk II and Looperlative Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 08:58:47 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:58:54 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-19-580041678 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Also, I'm assuming the Looperlative can do the real-time time =20 > stretching idea that the Repeater can? Yes?=85 Am also assuming that =20= > the LP 1's loops can be pitched on the fly as well?=85 Hi Cara, The time stretch capability is something I had to let go of =20= from the Repeater. The LP-1 can do intervalic pitch shifts over three =20= octaves but they change tempos along with the pitch, its possible to =20 get Repeater like speed up slow down effects between octaves but not =20 separation of tempo and pitch like the repeater does. I must say I =20 felt a certain liberation letting go of those capabilities as it it =20 also served to allow me to let go of my tired old guitar synth that I =20= was barely using, other than as a midi arpeggiator for the Repeater. =20= Also as with any technology based music making strategy, there is =20 always the risk for me of over using it to the point of it becoming a =20= stylistic trap. kind of like I've been doing lately with quantize =20 replace:-) Bill --Apple-Mail-19-580041678 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Also, I'm assuming the Looperlative can do the = real-time time stretching idea that the Repeater can? Yes?=85 Am also = assuming that the LP 1's loops can be pitched on the fly as = well?=85

=

Hi Cara,   The time stretch capability is = something I had to let go of from the Repeater. The LP-1  can do = intervalic pitch shifts over three octaves but they change tempos along = with the pitch, its possible to get Repeater like speed up slow down = effects between octaves but not separation of tempo and pitch like the = repeater does. I must say I felt a certain liberation letting go of = those capabilities as it it also served to allow me to let go of my = tired old guitar synth that I was barely using,  other than as a = midi arpeggiator for the Repeater. Also as with any technology =  based music making strategy, there is always the risk for me of = over using it to the point of it becoming a stylistic trap.  kind = of like I've been doing lately with quantize = replace:-)
Bill

= --Apple-Mail-19-580041678-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 16:07:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A821183460; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:07:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 661328.89565.bm@omp1010.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1335370023; bh=dLfYZVuZ+m3RNC6Zmxy+TbYVulO86L8xm8uufVs0U7I=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5M5Zd8vP41/jN35korUxCOTADmJQhfJN1GVIfA4mHdFLOwNd2PGUSmFzNd5Uag9kfuODLqDQyaZH8b3kJFnIlI+aPea/PcS7nIKOEXKZlak/zr86Q0tLYf7x8WtPTX3XeNUxbO8ZTS9q9Q6JzMtrRffnZGV5EGZkupiH37FWRwg= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VfGFTZ+EDe2NU6yqfx4Yzn1SAUEiVH05t88ike54odqFB2PM8Se4s0d4D0TZ7e+F0oJJg0BN7Nfkvre1wxNKu4CwhNpW6iUAfg/V3wZMYlsDHvY4/w7ZqBm8OYg7Tj0TF4EYtFem1O5vitwP2j4f290iASoA39vCJ2f1OWRbkBM=; X-YMail-OSG: LAyvGq4VM1nwWrcbYwKm4zw3WiroYGzuUSnFkvBvm7xgqZo eM9xCbkOOOeysCDhidjmwZnuA6wFH_TvSawCBwUZReeBj_uXRNWGTWXefeh4 fpgalOE6y7D1ktlYqkV.hUlz1DeIuQgN_UDj22_xuF1LlI0bxvVcE.Qdvu7b qHvSVz4mvQ9H6jg0sSH4jAjSnBgQ3nXPvxCaKT4oYD0Rt2pyDeWzhVu4YHvc PCezSFceqfBUzDfaWzi3_XzdMGkH5XMIXVWSyYIk.bXIvwezdRoiWV.w_71T pDu8_HvDX8G6quc0LEpLwsWVPpkF65GYkcHQTFJ8lhsyTeCsqhEL2o7qJj0W TviA8gwx_WXCEH_3wKTsGaO42_jj.0BssYux5M4fClcY_ky6dKRICGzugXNO HJUzXVL8cRt1YFORVcg_e82kqN6zwMaz2u02LirO_lDhQ8gHhYuSt2IaCWhB SXWkFNpycxxp339Xm6M.pqQFAqpj.rqCXxMU9gH0Qwxf1CppLVtAgafr8POw HVOSeTV2Hzq4dl44IZxrqMo8H85pimastvmvciK3be7nqEDBFHogRNUan_Wa AeCkG52xOSZtOWCW536L1NYz21PToIWfIcWhdoqToTQuwkfyG8JOTcBxt624 zwTPVoTBZY7goHEGFAhuA9D51b3zGhjHIOwYKX.9cTNX9tJWmirV6fg-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <4D9E2076022893817C0D384B@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1335370023.20748.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 09:07:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Reply-To: Paul Richards Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <4D9E2076022893817C0D384B@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-2109272776-1054585890-1335370023=:20748" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:07:04 +0000 (UTC) ---2109272776-1054585890-1335370023=:20748 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (Eurgh, sunglasses indoors.=A0 'nuff said!=A0 The only excuse for that is i= f you have a hangover.=A0)=0A=0AOr if one is 60-70 y.o. and want to camofla= ge the bags under ones eyes. It worked pretty good for Roy Orbison.=0A=0A= =0A________________________________=0AFrom: Philip Conway =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Wednesday, = April 25, 2012 10:42 AM=0ASubject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping=0A= =0AEurgh, sunglasses indoors.=A0 'nuff said!=A0 The only excuse for that is= if you =0Ahave a hangover.=0A=0A=0A--On 25 April 2012 12:57 +0200 Per Boys= en wrote:=0A=0A> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:44 AM, Mat= thias Grob =0A> wrote:=0A>> what do you think of this?= =0A>>=0A>> http://youtu.be/3FUds2j3wPQ=0A>=0A>=0A> I don't think "live loop= ing" has anything to do with the massive hit=0A> count of that video.=0A>= =0A> Greetings from Sweden=0A>=0A> Per Boysen=0A> www.perboysen.com=0A> htt= p://www.youtube.com/perboysen ---2109272776-1054585890-1335370023=:20748 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
(Eurgh, sunglasses indoors.  'nuff s= aid!  The only excuse for that is if you have a hangover. )

Or if one is 60-70 y.o. and want to cam= oflage the bags under ones eyes. It worked pretty good for Roy Orbison.

From:= Philip Conway <Philip.Conway@bristol.ac.uk>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.c= om
Sent: Wednesday, Apr= il 25, 2012 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping

Eurgh, sungla= sses indoors.  'nuff said!  The only excuse for that is if you have a hangover.


--On 25 April 2012 12:57 +0200 Per Boysen <= ;perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:<= BR>
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:44 AM, Matthias Grob <matilists= @gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> what do you think of this?>>
>> http://youtu.be/3FUds2j3wPQ
>
>
> I= don't think "live looping" has anything to do with the massive hit
>= count of that video.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
>= Per Boysen
> w= ww.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen


---2109272776-1054585890-1335370023=:20748-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 16:12:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0AC5183462; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:12:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <31B62BB6-571F-4438-9D3E-D9D0D768C399@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Looperlative LP2 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 09:12:18 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:12:25 +0000 (UTC) > - It can be a bit fussy with power supplies. I tried it first with a > spare output from my PP2+ pedalboard and it worked fine unless I hit > strings too hard, at which point it would make a 'pop' sound and > reset. I too encountered this popping and reseting phenomena if I really slammed the strings hard, when demoing Rick's and I was using the high current ports on my voodoo lab PP-2 so I'm not sure the power supply is the issue. I also had to select the lowest gain setting because I'm running a pretty hot signal in to it with a wah, a couple of drive pedal and an ep-1 clean boost that I leave on and it converts the signal to low impedance. At the highest gain setting it was really pushing the front in of my princeton reverb and likely overdriving the chorus pedal and M-9 downstream. I was was able to tame the issue by leaving the mix pot at about half way which gave good blend, but that ceiling and cutoff issue was troubling to me. Regarding the feedback port. I believe its continuously variable so if you just back the expression pedal off a bit you will get a more gradual fade slope. Also the length of the loop will determine how fast it fades, so shorter loops fade faster. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 18:02:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA1C2183461; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:02:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=2im2gk3tiOzjPD9Lrf6b7B5oyZfHyePzAOg5joGiVXM=; b=oqtSUUHWbOXXqfX/D3zc0m89dufrHCqvT78EFaiMd9aY1a7xzRYKyN6znEnOMLbK7G StUBOXAOTjouhpYG4YTcUmpnJQggs5vO2O0ynvqDbNoR2WQo2/fDVFtfKPu8ugR6gtSX t/cwVNBv5SWz60QG4/FwQH8tm1xuEUY629sKaW3Pvexdya8nXxY/ykpa2tw9j/wDwfSo AW9otNb+suBEYwCHC8nMivLiBriBVQUBhPGwF2GehRMO3ctfaN5I2KWKuSqaB9htmnPQ RtUGJv7DiZHJMX0jfhmQWXv/uRfpwDpzA/NsTsMPEicuqo7aWJTEIoAeB/wIUxX60LKJ dSwA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:02:36 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: evoloop? From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d508ea2369c304be84ad81 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:02:43 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d508ea2369c304be84ad81 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ok, i'm afraid to ask: is there any time frame for when hardware version of this will be released? any idea of the cost? (like what will i have to sell to get one?) just curious.... maybe too curious.... then i read: Sound quality is pretty good over 2 octaves up or down. Beyond that it's > increasingly lo-fi. THEN I READ THIS AND I'M GETTING ALL EXCITED..... s--- re: Scott Hansen wrote: ok, i will say that this evoloop thing looks cool. any chance it will do varispeed (slow down/speed up?) ANDY SAYS:-) yep. --0016e6d508ea2369c304be84ad81 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok, i'm afraid to ask: is there any time frame for when hardware versio= n of this will be released?
any idea of the cost? (like what will i have= to sell to get one?)
just curious....
maybe too curious....

then i read:
Sound quality is pretty good over 2 octaves up or down=
. Beyond that it's=20
> increasingly lo-fi.

THEN I READ THIS AND I'=
;M GETTING ALL EXCITED.....
s---


re:
=A0Scott= Hansen wrote:
ok, i will say that this evoloop thing looks cool. any chance= it will do=20 varispeed (slow down/speed up?) 

ANDY SAYS:-) yep.

--0016e6d508ea2369c304be84ad81-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 20:22:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40143183466; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:22:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 763944607/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.180.141/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.180.141 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAExcmE9V0rSN/2dsb2JhbAANOLReAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBw1eNO4MlBJcMhFCFX4do X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,483,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="763944607" Message-ID: <4F985CEE.2030202@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:22:06 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:22:02 +0000 (UTC) Yet another one of those fake videos. It takes skill and effort to make them of course. yawn andy Matthias Grob wrote: > what do you think of this? > > http://youtu.be/3FUds2j3wPQ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 20:41:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8F42183466; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:41:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 834388.91993.bm@omp1047.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1335386468; bh=EhqdgbnjDADzgFw8nBIY5jboj9P8oKenUGVH+TQWDU0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Y2JFsm0wV6woQv5t0guAIv9tuoB98bs9DLKiBcmr15sD1ARkkzRGbqkX0xpq78fXAtpf2pLU8FlR8ylbOvnd6PYG7vp7Z1Q/PjZoP608E3n+QRvW2ooqUFRz06iMRg+JSfvZvAGZ2Fbw6sY2nbg6El8jQMSaq3o5LyDaD0pCaig= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EIMTfL/Pfqp19Up1237ksHcGaII6gWgpD762azTciGz144dIp501xATtdJVG+BCvtSR3NtGVVpQ9rFJrmGmpQywCsIOLUTHcPo3WDAeeOhvyc9KA4CyP5k2UEDGsjP7REfPhvhrP5tpJraVXQXzu0gRSHIEPXmsdOTOBur41hT0=; X-YMail-OSG: Eeh5PFQVM1mfP9wmo6IbBi2nkelqJvtr3GSFU2q.NTJCfsD zeXscXajs X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <4F985CEE.2030202@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <1335386468.67029.YahooMailNeo@web160705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:41:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Reply-To: Paul Richards Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <4F985CEE.2030202@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-630955406-458651372-1335386468=:67029" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:41:09 +0000 (UTC) ---630955406-458651372-1335386468=:67029 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Uh....I watched most of the "video". I guess these guys are Flight of the Conchords fans. ________________________________ From: andy butler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:22 PM Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping Yet another one of those fake videos. It takes skill and effort to make them of course. yawn andy Matthias Grob wrote: > what do you think of this? > > http://youtu.be/3FUds2j3wPQ > > > ---630955406-458651372-1335386468=:67029 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Uh....I watched most of the "video". I guess these guys are Flight of the Conchords fans.

From: andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping



Yet another one of those fake videos.


It takes skill and effort to make them of course.

yawn

andy

Matthias Grob wrote:
> what do you think of this?
>
> http://youtu.be/3FUds2j3wPQ
>
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---630955406-458651372-1335386468=:67029-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 20:57:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D52D818345D; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:57:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=hr4h1/zkXYERSJ2EStLXlJ9v/X1e5ATtVUFVM9Abuxk= c=1 sm=0 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=jJrOw3FHAAAA:8 a=VFxsJ9J3jsKV7pW4U6EA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=c7wgNGuJ1ZPwVhqzc4f2mQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> From: chaz worm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> Message-Id: <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:18:46 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) Resent-Message-ID: <9Az2wB.A.vuC.6UGmPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:57:30 +0000 (UTC) I think it's pretty cool anytime more people can get a glimpse into a vague s= emblance of what I do Chaz Sent from my iPhone On Apr 24, 2012, at 11:02 PM, Ted Killian wrote: > Hmmmm.... >=20 > What do I think of it? >=20 > Not a whole lot. >=20 > I mean it's cute and clever. >=20 > Would I buy it? >=20 > Would I listen to it again? >=20 > Would I share it with all my friends? >=20 > Seriously? >=20 > No...no...and again...no. >=20 > But that's just me. >=20 > I'm anti-social and weird anyway. >=20 > So take it with a dose of salt. >=20 > Hope that helps. >=20 > On Apr 24, 2012, at 7:24 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: >=20 >> what do you think of this? >>=20 >> http://youtu.be/3FUds2j3wPQ >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 21:02:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4180183473; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:02:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3ceC31Z8F2hGaq5hpkyWgnYcg2fzB/J46MoI773TD/w=; b=XTKkCEiYTZs4cZeKP+Z7G/g+F4s74CM8zygRMvg4q9D1l9g9RylmjciIQsq0+0t5i7 6/cMFXSLktxbcrp4QdSOtiEiyZe8UHP1jlfO3tA1AaHdBPsBXNhERcTURw3p+GBlE6up wvk87l9UYkX5Xy/0NOibRw6R3ITWAxKp2bVpH6TtpG4H4saV+pRLkK2JEaDcEDhBbixS 02Nl0HF+S95do4bLNhWsHydZJpWyt6mzwZFYcNSH7qtWUggpaPxJVCwkKgH4EigooDEq 4XvmD6Dhmn767pxNf7BGLMJ4T+q6LaxmVtM9PDksNGQeDf1BxQN66OB0fM8dZvQUErsW PvOg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 23:02:33 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:02:34 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:18 PM, chaz worm wrote: > I think it's pretty cool anytime more people can get a glimpse into a vague semblance of what I do You too running in houses with shades? Cool! Per ;-)) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 21:40:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47F6A183465; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:40:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=wi2J7rgTjtt66PGN7+JMAiX4/IqmFavmjTO+nE+rCy4= c=1 sm=0 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=rrdn4tC-AAAA:8 a=nUFWvboSWnv3XFOcQ90A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=O-gsY9kfaDEA:10 a=c7wgNGuJ1ZPwVhqzc4f2mQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> From: chaz worm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:40:34 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: <5NDlXD.A.RMD.W9GmPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:40:39 +0000 (UTC) Hey, what guitar mystery man does is essentially "pop looping". Of course tr= ue "looping afficianados" would not like it.=20 But it's a cool little video.=20 It's looping for the masses. That's why none of y'all have a 3million hit vi= deo.=20 Good for him.=20 Chaz Sent from my iPhone On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:02 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:18 PM, chaz worm wro= te: >> I think it's pretty cool anytime more people can get a glimpse into a vag= ue semblance of what I do >=20 > You too running in houses with shades? Cool! >=20 > Per ;-)) >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 22:09:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B26B18345E; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 22:09:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=cPtthbJxkI+Ta3mOlPdgER0O7YaqCobGU23SUh0Ps6I=; b=hCUrpMY9fg/GdoYR93XooOkf//Z/S3mGoSzLdcrDNuTFTUdSvdJiqobzQQWKjaGIKw Ucvzg8/F6HEJFUcUh4jwLwgIPOCrfspNGnLDpcCyjV4SKs16JEwKq20qgKK/g5vbPOnZ Ab8dn72jC9iEk+YTmhTva2ljGZYFTx4+ik+5GinX7Ds9hTgDIUd+PQGyvwS1+aRBY7Bc s9rhs4xtAIm7CSojWg+mltR3EW3FS2+vmbkjnk7E8RmFSx3IuSqK85DzE23p/Z3Qsccs hOXtWFdaaGbQqezZkOeCHvFfxKY0OHrRwQRLE84YFfy0X/jdpbF63oRFvKxsF6VtKO/J Wv9w== Message-ID: <57CBEBBF22F74ADA9B96EFDAE7171778@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Boise Creative & Improvised Music Festival" To: Subject: Kitara MIDI guitar Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:09:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_07E2_01CD22FD.CAD6D6C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: <3wUnN.A.ofD.cYHmPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 22:09:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_07E2_01CD22FD.CAD6D6C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Holy shit! Is anyone using this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DTik7wmFdMIA&feature=3Dplayer_embedded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7hslBmNF9ak&feature=3Dplayer_embedded Kris ------=_NextPart_000_07E2_01CD22FD.CAD6D6C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Holy shit!  Is anyone using this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DTik7wmFdMIA&feature=3Dpla= yer_embedded
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7hslBmNF9ak&feature=3Dpla= yer_embedded
 
Kris
 
------=_NextPart_000_07E2_01CD22FD.CAD6D6C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 22:12:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28345183464; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 22:12:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=66Ca46NPSjeu7+kyUnrOKl6aNNKQ7AP8QnR0behcmpc=; b=bi0Z8aypnY9/ZHULkYmPd5g/h7Sw4ozqRaRluD2jBHpksO7uuZPPfFlNF5e/qMoyAO 6nySn8rrdDgiAPHFVCeLaYtX8ZZYDfvB9smGGYxVw7rOmRWBN4yXwP7CQa/QCJZll88w 9H3RFWVxXYBwm7TRmgUdQwYHgwEd/ELNTBuqAnKwJzjkq5/Gd4udZNNAyiTw3kVFqLHE zP6473Tny8sjsKgDG4I3+n2sWr8f+tSGv8+wpB7bKfJziWMyjyGEV7m4Eu1bzTTksRvH RC8me/9q0sOTY1TGfZ6AhfTMV7M1MyuSQOT1OIcnx8QIMRZzigthywonwnLBXDC+sszi aahg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <57CBEBBF22F74ADA9B96EFDAE7171778@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <57CBEBBF22F74ADA9B96EFDAE7171778@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:12:35 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kitara MIDI guitar From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <7re7F.A.PnD.UbHmPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 22:12:36 +0000 (UTC) Last I heard, he still wasn't shipping this. Still a prototype but getting closer to an actual product. Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music Festival wrote: > Holy shit!=A0 Is anyone using this? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DTik7wmFdMIA&feature=3Dplayer_embedded > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7hslBmNF9ak&feature=3Dplayer_embedded > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 22:28:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E38D9183465; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 22:28:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=TV85doUkpu1FBu0OTEq9h7wuY3kxnBKs1OsPpabS3GU=; b=j58kSASODNg4heJLiYKC3aePfo168QWSwewfh+SnW6/8R6Bsgt9mqriLY+HOU+QpAV /FjYSONtNqKq0muVnLYJQcDdMhXhohivdXQ3sq0Ul6VdPZxkbwTIwL3roncYuASX45FM eOOr5LoSjaAMjDQWMiKOxhcc9m8qzOgOniZJY+L/xEmWe82i3egifkO0klTI1EoE5t8Y 06nKA5Jxb5Y/nPR34vtk+/tBzW03JoiThytLBqA5c3JNqgV4X6TXKkq5byAP+FDN5jSA R7CoyXTJhVsQO8aP17uM9+0gblFo/orIpOsBCMigV7FvAI9mk2KCtaQW0W6OtqT+9Agh yN5Q== Message-ID: <9EAB1317211C4DF6B9CC10E806B5FE2D@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Boise Creative & Improvised Music Festival" To: References: <57CBEBBF22F74ADA9B96EFDAE7171778@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Kitara MIDI guitar Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:28:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: <3YrRFB.A.CzD.cqHmPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 22:28:44 +0000 (UTC) http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Kitara/ Apparently, May 6. -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Moser Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:12 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Kitara MIDI guitar Last I heard, he still wasn't shipping this. Still a prototype but getting closer to an actual product. Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music Festival wrote: > Holy shit! Is anyone using this? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tik7wmFdMIA&feature=player_embedded > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hslBmNF9ak&feature=player_embedded > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 22:39:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 074FF183466; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 22:39:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WZnHUD16joA9+A341EEv0oo2pq2TvKu0ZTqDJ9B/FF4=; b=KQ/TMYwH4uk+3TKpOFvUStIdxBNFfAQ3rFH99T7rHM3+lLSUkkX8K00kelWdjcKUKp WqSIgxI5ke+t5BATSd+nDuJfk9S8XkZwszAPwEZ/vUGjACfxffmeNqtpocyGdf/Cl4ra wa20pJkUzWCBbLIcyNr7w3NXAq1JmXPJdK8+zzaggYNgP505dTYoGFFYigpHwxf8uiV9 F6Biy+qSXA35qd77N/ax6n5McdrW1j0sCY3pylthORph18Cwz3t4f8ybnuPi1v/oSJOy eMW9d3n3K0I8maKLlDNhPZsNT35G/dimJ1IYN71PMdxeIo8cnNhRWtgadkJ9OgOb0xEI DByA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <57CBEBBF22F74ADA9B96EFDAE7171778@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:39:33 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kitara MIDI guitar From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 22:39:34 +0000 (UTC) But why would you really want this? Its basically a guitar 'shaped' synth controller. Not that its not interesting, but is the appeal that its cooler than a keytar? Kevin On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Dennis Moser wro= te: > Last I heard, he still wasn't shipping this. Still a prototype but > getting closer to an actual product. > > Best, > > Dennis > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music > Festival wrote: >> Holy shit!=A0 Is anyone using this? >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DTik7wmFdMIA&feature=3Dplayer_embedded >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7hslBmNF9ak&feature=3Dplayer_embedded >> >> Kris >> > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 22:43:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25454183465; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 22:43:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 239916.67542.bm@omp1056.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1335393838; bh=p+xrGjT/R2W3Whp/MWval3HmRPuDgCFAsjzPuDVy3fc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TWtyrjUSENBcYo1I2MbiHnOAQVR9xi4f9FYjTKJ8Q5naUjKR/ph4H/6yeRZolg5sdqUrUNKQoZudLm6usUsa7g8MpTRNiI9Luw4T9epaq0ILmRXOkT2M7VTUGP1aqXtBLet35KeeMOTQaUBqUTWZASU/eA2Vf6+BYSuvP/Lmu38= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wZHMRQWilSauLEAhPMSDKJdbbemUVu22kBzWAoIY6yHDiUchBmX3C5daqxg77vkNPucPWZDl3u7s1xPUBgnYD3RtMxClpo5QSnqNJmGwdQoCAGz7NYPd4Z7o5fUmIo04X+kWsV18I8MCWDNqNFpsxnBOMRRIxbusuYUAipw1qII=; X-YMail-OSG: fvfCeqQVM1lbzdJgIgr.Zx_YUAu6lddvN2XGBxqlGnuP.Cz Xrc4OPa5_.WQ9xup.0lNgMtash7t15OyqZdjA41LiILz_c31bjA70fKXj7Ib U.alFcNWbEwUvnIeNUbccUI2L7qCtmF1KL0gFL8qlM_AgECQWqGGCnc7vVcE 5yj8RyNzaKjuDwNeYacSABTZdYpRXsQpbrD21LInoJXJwJpcQKxyyI6ULYPk czbj8ExrAR2gQSvASwcLGlU7QJ_wJuOOFXbdNzTPnTz6Y1Wi4KH6BOl8bbyo x0H2RNmxyURfuXtkDuWppodaWA7y7tpdBZaHxfuT_B2XhmHbHNFqVz4geDh1 VbFaMt4qjnXK_DLS_IPDx2vliFCCHlEZUlM4qzTwiqxO7OvQF08bG1e5v4m2 7FX4QasH1kLOEeet2GV1_rz.wjRVetx5Ja795vQo4ENM6HmsqhYcmuHqpSSC NKqewKlM5y0Tr8DEJOYuWl3I.LQklttCLKysMLancvEWCWb4hx6qMHrtpqA- - X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> Message-ID: <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:43:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Reply-To: Paul Richards Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-2130163251-1550452606-1335393838=:26658" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 22:43:59 +0000 (UTC) ---2130163251-1550452606-1335393838=:26658 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think 14 million people bought "Beanie Babies". And tens of thousands of people show up at mall shoe stores to battle over some new Michael Jordan sneaker. Millions more snarf the garbage that McDonalds sells. Numbers don't mean shit, man. From: chaz worm To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 5:40 PM Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping Hey, what guitar mystery man does is essentially "pop looping". Of course true "looping afficianados" would not like it. But it's a cool little video. It's looping for the masses. That's why none of y'all have a 3million hit video. Good for him. Chaz Sent from my iPhone On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:02 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:18 PM, chaz worm wrote: >> I think it's pretty cool anytime more people can get a glimpse into a vague semblance of what I do > > You too running in houses with shades? Cool! > > Per ;-)) > ---2130163251-1550452606-1335393838=:26658 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I think 14 million people bought "Beanie Babies". And tens of thousands of people show up at mall shoe stores to battle over some new Michael Jordan sneaker. Millions more snarf the garbage that McDonalds sells. Numbers don't mean shit, man.

From: chaz worm <chaz@earthwormandfire.com>
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping

Hey, what guitar mystery man does is essentially "pop looping". Of course true "looping afficianados" would not like it.
But it's a cool little video.
It's looping for the masses. That's why none of y'all have a 3million hit video.

Good for him.

Chaz

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:02 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:18 PM, chaz worm <chaz@earthwormandfire.com> wrote:
>> I think it's pretty cool anytime more people can get a glimpse into a vague semblance of what I do
>
> You too running in houses with shades? Cool!
>
> Per ;-))
>



---2130163251-1550452606-1335393838=:26658-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 22:50:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39FE5183464; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 22:50:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=IbQF82AbmDLrfKTti0hZf50IwSPNxtrs8Q6ORaOEGSA=; b=wxS5Wz57bE+IHzGf1PRuAH5q45Hp/+m4OYhNx8pTObJMXqG/mNc2U8bxio7V36G0AN I2NpgeHRyFbu4eMF5JMCj3hYLPW3H7i71ooGnL3YsUCmWxFZ43CENlwTJ64qJr+5RbeT ufLMU2OLcOdOR8zqGKUkKLMq9UImvPYqUdTiq9M8d+JeyXJA7wTFcJi1Dz68KMiqKs/Y yIwPAyHuG9ZZ8GHsmtRdsJ8EwlrmWf9s1c3R3id0dsPO9jObziuK87+4o0o96hLTpgme cxjixhE6vpXl/jEyO8FHQEQZI6GSMQVs3s3IOHDWr1bGAP/8Mdqc2jGOWWWlz4J36O+C TwBw== Subject: Re: Kitara MIDI guitar References: <57CBEBBF22F74ADA9B96EFDAE7171778@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: Philip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <1BF0C889-5086-4327-AF6A-29527BB8FB01@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 07:50:47 +0900 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 22:50:58 +0000 (UTC) If (like me) you are a guitarist who knows scales, chords and arpeggios on t= he guitar--yes A keytar always seemed like an instrument designed for the guy who resented h= is mother who made him take piano piano lessons while his mates got to play t= he "cool" instruments. Now that I am older, I wish I would've continued with my piano lessons. Sent from my phone On Apr 26, 2012, at 7:39 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrot= e:. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 22:59:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BA83183463; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 22:59:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=eywnARV757OZWex0sokHDErTVCniznC5Vqm27Bu+f8U=; b=lxJmQfRhpNPIK121jvqhiXOkZ4iv0dl2qwEingiP45NOlODvHrx2i/TsV19/dSQMTa hp567e57S2lYiRY7nnI64IGSkIV7W2sYDHGnPKE4ouDuRlnqtXY2fcrXlxgcw74mDYcE 1l3TXw2Xn9z87da6qW6MvDmJoNbhdMC12mTb2INGtPUm6LnbzkRSTuc9zCw8kf+nAuVA 1OO3XB5KGpfhcQtpQrz27vlv9jxkMUeUnL1TypkXlekV8c8Wp7IWCk7J12jdfp0FxirU L1qg0yohKtenOINLYksHO/n8o7YGl3viOCbgedofA5wgUtQKZlRMUs4GVdWhM2sya6eN O+dQ== Subject: Re: Kitara MIDI guitar References: <57CBEBBF22F74ADA9B96EFDAE7171778@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: Charlie Milkey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B176) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:59:24 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 22:59:30 +0000 (UTC) I agree-I couldn't justify 900 bucks for that-I bet you we'll see an iPad au= dio interface shaped like that in the next year or so, especially if this ta= kes off. I could see 300 bucks max (it still has midi I/o and plenty of trig= gers) for that shell and 9.99 for the app, but 900 is a little expensive fo= r what you are getting. Charlie On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:39 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrot= e: > But why would you really want this? Its basically a guitar 'shaped' > synth controller. Not that its not interesting, but is the appeal > that its cooler than a keytar? >=20 > Kevin >=20 > On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Dennis Moser wr= ote: >> Last I heard, he still wasn't shipping this. Still a prototype but >> getting closer to an actual product. >>=20 >> Best, >>=20 >> Dennis >>=20 >> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin >> http://audiozoloft.com >> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >>=20 >>=20 >> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music >> Festival wrote: >>> Holy shit! Is anyone using this? >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DTik7wmFdMIA&feature=3Dplayer_embedded >>>=20 >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7hslBmNF9ak&feature=3Dplayer_embedded >>>=20 >>> Kris >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.= >=20 > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >=20 > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 23:14:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3111C183473; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 23:14:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=ZOgQqfU0kksPXX+eucWvB+oIR3rXq1hAjb3Uc7kBmmg=; b=W7RTsRw/wjuUSnQPmEuEgI3ZS5HQBLv1uuWmK0OWYh85z8PcmhRIXvbpDnmrCdgoi6 GXgqGBalWKBVhjQALoNxNcf43Qmyzn1QunXgi11Y9eddEKvKtiTh2A7Hki3nmS786Urv afXogPdxjxFm1PA172GC06fQErUITHeyaS5Gy2A1LkgLgMj1J2D/bIXh9iUZDMZOUHnT HmMJ5vS+Zp/Ki2c1SuZfFDI7gugyYYfl3YM8pdAr4lW2ShzOMhiV1bKq4aSOj9gmei4/ oFILaVedupXsjL1cC/XCP84DrGyssyZO6/kgrtwGVsLWL7fnyaQv89wYtcDX3yROsIfC lHBg== Message-ID: <1E79102A2E8C4C41A005B35469C32941@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Boise Creative & Improvised Music Festival" To: References: <57CBEBBF22F74ADA9B96EFDAE7171778@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Kitara MIDI guitar Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:14:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 23:14:09 +0000 (UTC) I guess they are coming out with just a controller version for $300. I have similar concerns. I'm not sure if the buttons would do it for me. Does anyone make a MIDI ready guitar with actual strings? Seems like Roland has totally dominated the market with the hex pickup and their standalone units, and I see that the Axon stuff is off the market now. I suppose I could by one of those old Roland GI-20 converter and a hex pickup. But those things are apparently slow as hell. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Charlie Milkey Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Kitara MIDI guitar I agree-I couldn't justify 900 bucks for that-I bet you we'll see an iPad audio interface shaped like that in the next year or so, especially if this takes off. I could see 300 bucks max (it still has midi I/o and plenty of triggers) for that shell and 9.99 for the app, but 900 is a little expensive for what you are getting. Charlie On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:39 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > But why would you really want this? Its basically a guitar 'shaped' > synth controller. Not that its not interesting, but is the appeal > that its cooler than a keytar? > > Kevin > > On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Dennis Moser > wrote: >> Last I heard, he still wasn't shipping this. Still a prototype but >> getting closer to an actual product. >> >> Best, >> >> Dennis >> >> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin >> http://audiozoloft.com >> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music >> Festival wrote: >>> Holy shit! Is anyone using this? >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tik7wmFdMIA&feature=player_embedded >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hslBmNF9ak&feature=player_embedded >>> >>> Kris >>> >> > > > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 23:20:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B95ED183463; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 23:20:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ayIJgETBChMK+69jltkHAn5y0kIr812/DZBckdJisqQ=; b=mjmK6an+kRLpj3FCY/MJJU+4PDDnwEIOBVn6lBzQBoD1tDoQgzf72nN1bqttwOrCA2 Ai5tI04n+gyZpZBCztQY2NT8lIFvRhew6FMjt6dVdtBrcgMqW92tPeZORJaJFgonxJ0i w2Vl0Lg3WPr8Q89cHadK9T5pBv4SH9EGW/lZWFxizhzsl51n1cLr+s/EsKI/ZXkPPneq oIP3WBfYbsvPlbIHD3e+YV1uISSBS/YeoKUsULBXFK1nUvNUMcN5G0WdJhvMj6iQbgD+ 4EEzfvgHoB7jV9EjXvM4g/7XYpaqDtMjRxJvkc8JJx6XPkr75hv1eTRI6SVqG81l/NHY Gg1A== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1E79102A2E8C4C41A005B35469C32941@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <57CBEBBF22F74ADA9B96EFDAE7171778@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1E79102A2E8C4C41A005B35469C32941@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:20:44 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kitara MIDI guitar From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 23:20:45 +0000 (UTC) I have a Godin Synth Access Guitar with an Axon unit and I love it. I don't think its configured properly and that makes it all the better (ghost notes and the like). I can play it properly and get only what I intend or I can have a synth duet with randomness. But the Godin guitar is great. I haven't heard people complaining about the GR-55 or VG-99 so I'd suppose the Roland gear is good to go as well. Kevin On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music Festival wrote: > I guess they are coming out with just a controller version for $300. =A0I= have > similar concerns. =A0I'm not sure if the buttons would do it for me. > Does anyone make a MIDI ready guitar with actual strings? =A0 Seems like > Roland has totally dominated the market with the hex pickup and their > standalone units, and I see that the Axon stuff is off the market now. > I suppose I could by one of those old Roland GI-20 converter and a hex > pickup. But those things are apparently slow as hell. > Kris > > > -----Original Message----- From: Charlie Milkey > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:59 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Kitara MIDI guitar > > I agree-I couldn't justify 900 bucks for that-I bet you we'll see an iPad > audio interface shaped like that in the next year or so, especially if th= is > takes off. I could see 300 bucks max (it still has midi I/o and plenty of > triggers) =A0for that shell and 9.99 for the app, but 900 is a little > expensive for what you are getting. > > Charlie > > > > On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:39 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando > wrote: > >> But why would you really want this? =A0Its basically a guitar 'shaped' >> synth controller. =A0Not that its not interesting, but is the appeal >> that its cooler than a keytar? >> >> Kevin >> >> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Dennis Moser >> wrote: >>> >>> Last I heard, he still wasn't shipping this. Still a prototype but >>> getting closer to an actual product. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Dennis >>> >>> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin >>> http://audiozoloft.com >>> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music >>> Festival wrote: >>>> >>>> Holy shit! =A0Is anyone using this? >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DTik7wmFdMIA&feature=3Dplayer_embedded >>>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7hslBmNF9ak&feature=3Dplayer_embedded >>>> >>>> Kris >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a >> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all troubl= e. >> >> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >> >> Sound and Vision: =A0http://www.minds-eye.org >> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >> > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 23:45:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF9E1183473; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 23:45:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mzmwIjUkbURWAa0iT5fgf6hU7X0L5LdOWPZnS9pHego=; b=hiIPCfAUIIbHUHU+tNxBhgRebZBuGtGN/gG9GFm/D4Fx2siJIRMe+uRkau/x7RCMf9 ZlXsGQt4UlSLroa2FCUBakBt8JEj+S6eOLfYefcr43HsCX5s6hv2ZX65aKt15aq4OvsH ppq13JCm87rb9QKPKIlD8aU4d5DYXZphSkeHss/IuEq0bPA7DPJEmWFh/k+UCHB/JTw7 Jzo1qUWL9Hm1m9feMadMgbj9X8lnTBW/Ip2kX5vk8NZDsAh4Ee+o37stgiJq/Q16eyJp Y7hFy7N8rrFJ2GmGFrxr/6h+JV9nhRnNIXdAHEqR45wSIMV8uhJM6FkxDsph3hPu3i+M u4mA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <57CBEBBF22F74ADA9B96EFDAE7171778@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1E79102A2E8C4C41A005B35469C32941@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:45:13 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kitara MIDI guitar From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 23:45:14 +0000 (UTC) Ditto on the Godin xtSA synth access guitar. A lot of the fine tweaking comes down to playing technique; musical styles enters into the mix, too. I use it with a GI-20 that drives an XV-8080 and any soft synths (working on getting it to drive the iPad next) and Plogue bidules, a GR-1, and a VG-88. No complaints other than lusting after an Axon unit which is said to be a little faster than the Rolands. Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > I have a Godin Synth Access Guitar with an Axon unit and I love it. =A0I > don't think its configured properly and that makes it all the better > (ghost notes and the like). =A0I can play it properly and get only what > I intend or I can have a synth duet with randomness. > > But the Godin guitar is great. =A0I haven't heard people complaining > about the GR-55 or VG-99 so I'd suppose the Roland gear is good to go > as well. > > Kevin > > > On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music > Festival wrote: >> I guess they are coming out with just a controller version for $300. =A0= I have >> similar concerns. =A0I'm not sure if the buttons would do it for me. >> Does anyone make a MIDI ready guitar with actual strings? =A0 Seems like >> Roland has totally dominated the market with the hex pickup and their >> standalone units, and I see that the Axon stuff is off the market now. >> I suppose I could by one of those old Roland GI-20 converter and a hex >> pickup. But those things are apparently slow as hell. >> Kris >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Charlie Milkey >> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:59 PM >> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Kitara MIDI guitar >> >> I agree-I couldn't justify 900 bucks for that-I bet you we'll see an iPa= d >> audio interface shaped like that in the next year or so, especially if t= his >> takes off. I could see 300 bucks max (it still has midi I/o and plenty o= f >> triggers) =A0for that shell and 9.99 for the app, but 900 is a little >> expensive for what you are getting. >> >> Charlie >> >> >> >> On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:39 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando >> wrote: >> >>> But why would you really want this? =A0Its basically a guitar 'shaped' >>> synth controller. =A0Not that its not interesting, but is the appeal >>> that its cooler than a keytar? >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Dennis Moser >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Last I heard, he still wasn't shipping this. Still a prototype but >>>> getting closer to an actual product. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Dennis >>>> >>>> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin >>>> http://audiozoloft.com >>>> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music >>>> Festival wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Holy shit! =A0Is anyone using this? >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DTik7wmFdMIA&feature=3Dplayer_embedde= d >>>>> >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7hslBmNF9ak&feature=3Dplayer_embedde= d >>>>> >>>>> Kris >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a >>> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all troub= le. >>> >>> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >>> >>> Sound and Vision: =A0http://www.minds-eye.org >>> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >>> >> > > > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble= . > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 25 23:59:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28EAE183462; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 23:59:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=qzWdJxVmjoXg0SzyMGbZISN8XKRuJLADuKOauRRiwHU=; b=SKIILhK6EqbyTN/aWRw3ask3BVo+yWEocAX7DGFrrWXO6vL0H0AImybAuBx84YkMnm wYowibUxeEXjtlN0cwdIOkCpOW0DbQrvk8Yg71JKRa/M+pzn3ykRPy7JkD+mlMX35+im AweDH7NvzFEqjh69a1BvLFZ1uomfqGGLcEXdxc8KegPMZHGT5LGkY/ZqqVLCQK5P51ZY To9KeRDgXr8OypIzbpAMwMNUaPnmR9yBzuHqyMKrEXHhnQ4oV4y/XnHqmPZnNKAJDsfy QIzYLJiVokjbmMVNdRYLxsOyVGAZg++W6h31euMPiIXAsreZgUQ0vQ/IguKjL+Nvfgay 3Q7w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <31B62BB6-571F-4438-9D3E-D9D0D768C399@baymoon.com> References: <31B62BB6-571F-4438-9D3E-D9D0D768C399@baymoon.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 00:59:31 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looperlative LP2 From: Pawel Janowski To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b10d24597c78204be89a9c8 Resent-Message-ID: <0rBpKC.A.5GF.k_ImPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 23:59:33 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b10d24597c78204be89a9c8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am not sure if it's good or not that I am not the only one who had that "cutting out and resetting" issue. I am not 100% sure and I haven't done this very scientifically, but in my case everything suggests that it was the power supply that solved it. I tried it twice with the following signal chains: 1. Stock Fender strat into the LP2 powered by a standard Vooodo Labe PP2+ into a Fender Champ 600 2. Stock Fender strat into the LP2 powered by a generic 9v 200ma power supply into a Behringer headphone amp. In each case I tried multiple mix and input gain settings. In the first case I had the cutoff problem occur every time I hit the strings hard, especially higher up the neck (that's single oil pickups, so nothing too hot) and the only solution was to turn the guitar volume down. In the second case I was unable to reproduce the problem at all. Maybe LP2 does not like the PP2? On 25 April 2012 17:12, William Walker wrote: > - It can be a bit fussy with power supplies. I tried it first with a spare >> output from my PP2+ pedalboard and it worked fine unless I hit strings too >> hard, at which point it would make a 'pop' sound and reset. >> > > I too encountered this popping and reseting phenomena if I really > slammed the strings hard, when demoing Rick's and I was using the high > current ports on my voodoo lab PP-2 so I'm not sure the power supply is the > issue. I also had to select the lowest gain setting because I'm running a > pretty hot signal in to it with a wah, a couple of drive pedal and an ep-1 > clean boost that I leave on and it converts the signal to low impedance. At > the highest gain setting it was really pushing the front in of my princeton > reverb and likely overdriving the chorus pedal and M-9 downstream. I was > was able to tame the issue by leaving the mix pot at about half way which > gave good blend, but that ceiling and cutoff issue was troubling to me. > Regarding the feedback port. I believe its continuously variable so if you > just back the expression pedal off a bit you will get a more gradual fade > slope. Also the length of the loop will determine how fast it fades, so > shorter loops fade faster. > Bill > > --047d7b10d24597c78204be89a9c8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am not sure if it's good or not that I am = not the only one who had that "cutting out and resetting" issue. = I am not 100% sure and I haven't done this very scientifically, but in = my case everything suggests that it was the power supply that solved it. I = tried it twice with the following signal chains:

1. Stock Fender strat = into the LP2 powered by a standard Vooodo Labe PP2+ into a Fender Champ 600=
2. Stock Fender strat into the LP2 powered by a = generic 9v 200ma power supply into a Behringer headphone amp.

In each case I tried=A0multiple= =A0mix and input gain settings. In the first case I had the cutoff problem = occur every time I hit the strings hard, especially higher up the neck (tha= t's single oil pickups, so nothing too hot) and the only solution was t= o turn the guitar volume down. In the second case I was unable to reproduce= the problem at all.

Maybe LP2 does not like the PP2?

On 25 April 2012 17:12, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
- It can be a bit fussy with power supplies. I tried it first with a spare = output from my PP2+ pedalboard and it worked fine unless I hit strings too = hard, at which point it would make a 'pop' sound and reset.

=A0I too encountered =A0this popping and reseting phenomena if I really sla= mmed the strings hard, when demoing Rick's and I was using the high cur= rent ports on my voodoo lab PP-2 so I'm not sure the power supply is th= e issue. I also had to select the lowest gain setting because I'm runni= ng a pretty hot signal in to it with a wah, a couple of drive pedal and an = ep-1 clean boost that I leave on and it converts the signal to low impedanc= e. At the highest gain setting it was really pushing the front in of my pri= nceton reverb and likely overdriving the chorus pedal and M-9 downstream. I= was =A0was able to tame the issue by leaving the mix pot at about half way= which gave good blend, but that ceiling and cutoff issue was troubling to = me. =A0Regarding the feedback port. I believe its continuously variable so = if you just back the expression pedal off a bit you will get a more gradual= fade slope. Also the length of the loop will determine how fast it fades, = so shorter loops fade faster.
Bill


--047d7b10d24597c78204be89a9c8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 26 00:24:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5E5C183466; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 00:24:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=5GdnL8YcJyXdS1mpohXlL9AGCoTdHZD+9DU+vovymrk=; b=FrkYQmn80Y9iPt8pTEHmMeb8MqbRAD9DjkzGORfefxEjcIiAk9mqCFubUNVMGtDD5s Dm0cbEO42GiHufCTEQ3V8jxpF326DM5de1SXQmfKchMpPI7jUjw9MAVMdBRK509q09qJ +4CZTdrm73AFtnKpqw7UrfyhN4+Wm90R1oH4jVp7UzxcjI1l4IvO3My7Sp8UgH7/lLfT EsHnUPT9OTHzz2TiEffmm8gj0or4C/JHIbcry0tg43ditG8IKIZmZjzWdWpIlQ+gRBsz dga17lewtnop40Cbz3jZC99A9A3n3cxn6O4YCd6BFPYYhF5O1rancvwKOtmFcp6a9LXr lSZg== Subject: Re: Kitara MIDI guitar References: <57CBEBBF22F74ADA9B96EFDAE7171778@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1E79102A2E8C4C41A005B35469C32941@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: Charlie Milkey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B176) In-Reply-To: <1E79102A2E8C4C41A005B35469C32941@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-Id: <79396424-F164-4EC6-863E-2CCCB1090052@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:24:29 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 00:24:33 +0000 (UTC) Wow I guess I hit the nail on the head then haha On Apr 25, 2012, at 6:14 PM, "Boise Creative & Improvised Music Festival" wrote: > I guess they are coming out with just a controller version for $300. I ha= ve similar concerns. I'm not sure if the buttons would do it for me. > Does anyone make a MIDI ready guitar with actual strings? Seems like Rol= and has totally dominated the market with the hex pickup and their standalon= e units, and I see that the Axon stuff is off the market now. > I suppose I could by one of those old Roland GI-20 converter and a hex pic= kup. But those things are apparently slow as hell. > Kris >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- From: Charlie Milkey > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:59 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Kitara MIDI guitar >=20 > I agree-I couldn't justify 900 bucks for that-I bet you we'll see an iPad a= udio interface shaped like that in the next year or so, especially if this t= akes off. I could see 300 bucks max (it still has midi I/o and plenty of tri= ggers) for that shell and 9.99 for the app, but 900 is a little expensive f= or what you are getting. >=20 > Charlie >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:39 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wr= ote: >=20 >> But why would you really want this? Its basically a guitar 'shaped' >> synth controller. Not that its not interesting, but is the appeal >> that its cooler than a keytar? >>=20 >> Kevin >>=20 >> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Dennis Moser w= rote: >>> Last I heard, he still wasn't shipping this. Still a prototype but >>> getting closer to an actual product. >>>=20 >>> Best, >>>=20 >>> Dennis >>>=20 >>> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin >>> http://audiozoloft.com >>> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music >>> Festival wrote: >>>> Holy shit! Is anyone using this? >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DTik7wmFdMIA&feature=3Dplayer_embedded >>>>=20 >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7hslBmNF9ak&feature=3Dplayer_embedded >>>>=20 >>>> Kris >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a >> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble= . >>=20 >> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >>=20 >> Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org >> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 26 02:40:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA015183464; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 02:40:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=dmTuBt7AeEKLNO/pGJKc7HjmQ4hHAtvW6GbTKZClNBk=; b=h/SmXTM+rSgqVElvLOgAaR86lne7s1piEraVD4L0nuJvjeaG+Dewo+Bfy2DEYx13yz RNAmn8+qgrcH65P/Lgs/qahI+e8o5K+diAwrXY3ZnreMuo0n3WPZncT+56o6jRekIS2Q p1LwJLiOsE+fUIgIJgkV1OjbkYvYbQBjm8dyOA6wSNt9p6JoYYPZ1WuUfmaCFHCOgS/0 F/pGNqdfddiROWQNuSVz/WgYAmMKWscdK9aLc1jgvjkiDQGHmAgg3ASzaoAIK/+yI1KL ME7hgFxy3hWapE30ILqPDuqPkZclC6fy06lUPlzOeaHqYaz7VBnDERwGzhPr1KHh738S aKwQ== References: <57CBEBBF22F74ADA9B96EFDAE7171778@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1E79102A2E8C4C41A005B35469C32941@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <324CD6D6-A189-4EBC-A485-310D5EECF166@gmail.com> Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B176) From: Theweg Subject: Re: Kitara MIDI guitar Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 22:40:06 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: <6lPqW.A.lOG.KWLmPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 02:40:10 +0000 (UTC) I have a nylon & the steel string, they are great to play! Sent from my iPad On Apr 25, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrot= e: > I have a Godin Synth Access Guitar with an Axon unit and I love it. I > don't think its configured properly and that makes it all the better > (ghost notes and the like). I can play it properly and get only what > I intend or I can have a synth duet with randomness. >=20 > But the Godin guitar is great. I haven't heard people complaining > about the GR-55 or VG-99 so I'd suppose the Roland gear is good to go > as well. >=20 > Kevin >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music > Festival wrote: >> I guess they are coming out with just a controller version for $300. I h= ave >> similar concerns. I'm not sure if the buttons would do it for me. >> Does anyone make a MIDI ready guitar with actual strings? Seems like >> Roland has totally dominated the market with the hex pickup and their >> standalone units, and I see that the Axon stuff is off the market now. >> I suppose I could by one of those old Roland GI-20 converter and a hex >> pickup. But those things are apparently slow as hell. >> Kris >>=20 >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- From: Charlie Milkey >> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:59 PM >>=20 >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Kitara MIDI guitar >>=20 >> I agree-I couldn't justify 900 bucks for that-I bet you we'll see an iPad= >> audio interface shaped like that in the next year or so, especially if th= is >> takes off. I could see 300 bucks max (it still has midi I/o and plenty of= >> triggers) for that shell and 9.99 for the app, but 900 is a little >> expensive for what you are getting. >>=20 >> Charlie >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:39 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando >> wrote: >>=20 >>> But why would you really want this? Its basically a guitar 'shaped' >>> synth controller. Not that its not interesting, but is the appeal >>> that its cooler than a keytar? >>>=20 >>> Kevin >>>=20 >>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Dennis Moser >>> wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Last I heard, he still wasn't shipping this. Still a prototype but >>>> getting closer to an actual product. >>>>=20 >>>> Best, >>>>=20 >>>> Dennis >>>>=20 >>>> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin >>>> http://audiozoloft.com >>>> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music >>>> Festival wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Holy shit! Is anyone using this? >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DTik7wmFdMIA&feature=3Dplayer_embedded= >>>>>=20 >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7hslBmNF9ak&feature=3Dplayer_embedded= >>>>>=20 >>>>> Kris >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -- >>> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a >>> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all troubl= e. >>>=20 >>> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >>>=20 >>> Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org >>> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.= >=20 > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >=20 > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 26 04:46:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FEE1183460; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 04:46:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=LyGKnMjb/V/Efspl2/OKTw5U5tZjB9Q8IY+36RW4WR4NxQITESeJT1uD3CEyH49j; h=Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Subject: Re: Kitara MIDI guitar From: Cara Quinn In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:45:54 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1FE1BCF7-F1BE-4C74-8CB2-B436C7442876@earthlink.net> References: <57CBEBBF22F74ADA9B96EFDAE7171778@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1E79102A2E8C4C41A005B35469C32941@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-ELNK-Trace: 6b863c64b7cad57866423f13a3a05d4c239a348a220c2609046330e92b82e5fce398d1252b5172a393caf27dac41a8fd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.106.47.89 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 04:46:06 +0000 (UTC) I personally love love love the GR-55. I think it's the best bit of = hybrid midi / COSM kit Roland has ever made. -Am using a GK-3 just = mounted externally on my lil Steinberger GL2T. I haven't tried the plain pitch to midi conversion yet but if the = built-in synth tracking is any indication, it's fabulous! :) I'm seriously and happily impressed! woohoo! -Now to start playing some actual music again=85 ;) Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn=20 On Apr 25, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: I have a Godin Synth Access Guitar with an Axon unit and I love it. I don't think its configured properly and that makes it all the better (ghost notes and the like). I can play it properly and get only what I intend or I can have a synth duet with randomness. But the Godin guitar is great. I haven't heard people complaining about the GR-55 or VG-99 so I'd suppose the Roland gear is good to go as well. Kevin On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music Festival wrote: > I guess they are coming out with just a controller version for $300. = I have > similar concerns. I'm not sure if the buttons would do it for me. > Does anyone make a MIDI ready guitar with actual strings? Seems like > Roland has totally dominated the market with the hex pickup and their > standalone units, and I see that the Axon stuff is off the market now. > I suppose I could by one of those old Roland GI-20 converter and a hex > pickup. But those things are apparently slow as hell. > Kris >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- From: Charlie Milkey > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:59 PM >=20 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Kitara MIDI guitar >=20 > I agree-I couldn't justify 900 bucks for that-I bet you we'll see an = iPad > audio interface shaped like that in the next year or so, especially if = this > takes off. I could see 300 bucks max (it still has midi I/o and plenty = of > triggers) for that shell and 9.99 for the app, but 900 is a little > expensive for what you are getting. >=20 > Charlie >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:39 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando = > wrote: >=20 >> But why would you really want this? Its basically a guitar 'shaped' >> synth controller. Not that its not interesting, but is the appeal >> that its cooler than a keytar? >>=20 >> Kevin >>=20 >> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Dennis Moser = >> wrote: >>>=20 >>> Last I heard, he still wasn't shipping this. Still a prototype but >>> getting closer to an actual product. >>>=20 >>> Best, >>>=20 >>> Dennis >>>=20 >>> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin >>> http://audiozoloft.com >>> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music >>> Festival wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Holy shit! Is anyone using this? >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DTik7wmFdMIA&feature=3Dplayer_embedde= d >>>>=20 >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7hslBmNF9ak&feature=3Dplayer_embedde= d >>>>=20 >>>> Kris >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have = a >> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all = trouble. >>=20 >> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >>=20 >> Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org >> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >>=20 >=20 --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all = trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 26 07:28:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CCFD183462; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 07:28:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1335425281; bh=LvGvR/N3VYS7nWYlUsTjwEqbdUYRyd314XynpYndlAk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer; b=ep8WXy7BSn2lUZtOGgwKxFJGKv8IYpsLiOaKMas27aRqLZDMF5AVkLhXBrc+0LG2zRZL4yiTTCEWPT1Ht5Bl0u0U35CRrOuVuaqEIJJs+YNQe6v54rtb0I6EMDxsQlIbvOf3+ZKarWGi2GkZNsgWmaMmiCq/EyjlN0s6Vo+NOCY= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 139798.99796.bm@smtp104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: tRaltEoVM1nQ4rkjOjPpShRY_H9AsTRBinBQCb_RIeDAdDT FXJ0_tPgVhzCUBj0T2lQlrAldBaOrJO3pjPKv.wnfan98HV6KMlgYyDNpxQT pdDjZuY9QBYQAamw5aN.nYY1_sMVf2GMODaFWHm4AFXSnBFT1HDSrUqJEmLW FU.M9_d3sK3z_eMwXEKdCGpvWeQOYqOq2Y7IzkjdUs7aaI9hYWqAPHoCo7iG _LjU4JE_0aKxZKP4dHXoSTyKSucXTB_3Uu1gmnGsfAWyJFMP2QPVZvpalNWs mMgfS4VGCpp0lwxfKR8T8R5EHVNLtrJpOer4.QAf55DtpKmmB.t48NeTJ42e q0N36s6JJxyIC0TQwXChpPCA4wuQ45fc9SqaI.x_EvlSobhj.n.deqd8ZuEi NEpe_sXReggmSCex0AgSe2EYbWXyRiRhJm31H0WdS6eJD6CgMeGdjS8rREWv uxqi_Zg.JZVqN25ZIOYWnUPmIW7bi4XFd7M54DJd8LJln.hpjFoS_3RIlhJ. cwu7KuaK1jSbSWI3qkM2sSQ_losRTs8.u7T5GWIVb1gDV5sGb.C7IVS4nQmy gOdtVeL1AlQTSmjacu1kvlvCAzR7GmGon_TXieB54taZz3LQ5BYk50nFTQyY XtyfW6ID6dJdRO0WegVaPpm9Xtg-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 75CdczOswBChen.W3AbLhaW8TlC96TVo5w-- From: Ben To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 09:28:00 +0200 Subject: Re: Kitara MIDI guitar In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <20120426092800.648CA5D8.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: nPOPuk Ver 2.16 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 07:28:02 +0000 (UTC) Hello There's already some company announcing stuff: http://www.behringer.com/news/behringer-launches-iaxe-guitar-for-ipad-and-ipod/ . http://www.starrlabs.com/itar-ultimate-instrument Ben. -------------------------------------------------- Charlie Milkey wrote: (26/04/2012 00:59) > I agree-I couldn't justify 900 bucks for that-I bet you we'll see an iPad audio interface shaped like that in the next year or so, especially if this takes off. I could see 300 bucks max (it still has midi I/o and plenty of triggers) for that shell and 9.99 for the app, but 900 is a little expensive for what you are getting. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 26 09:01:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEDDE183460; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 09:01:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=78G7CLkKYv/jD2Jvebf13mYtRawLo/BHsbdyBSyXVRE=; b=TLLy7MxgeKEA8puyPFNus1UR9oqoc14UaBoKfaJ4rnvjfRMu5quBTSOq5wub2xDlEp 4FoQ06/M1hluzO30UHvDBS6yOrpVMNRrClmNlnyhLPqfbtQp9yP3mlwM6T2HLn4+oUkp 7qj4NEMD0m+jMVVFzB+xj767vUuLLMzNGSrB9HqbfaXLpfrY+ylO2TJcpIew2Bxg+PeR AYCs1ocpoYv0WMmY/7uSIPA6eI3YV/Mjnlb7fshcoRFNfeqQopq1m3ZcEXvnd0FkgLrf Ll+ckKBuY17aJExwOk1RLlHorHXwqvw6v/M52f2RA4WEn0hQtJ6M5JmJ98TixF033Iar jyhA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <57CBEBBF22F74ADA9B96EFDAE7171778@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <57CBEBBF22F74ADA9B96EFDAE7171778@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:01:21 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kitara MIDI guitar From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 09:01:21 +0000 (UTC) I like the touch screen technique for X/Y vector control but at the moment I'm so bound to the Chapman Stick that it doesn't make sense to add a touch pad, since both my hands are tied to the two fretboards. But I have indeed looked into using an iPhone in a way similar to this video (steep curve filtering) and I may work out that idea more in a couple of months when I will start playing more with a harp guitar. I'm thinking that the hand on the harp side doesn't need to work strings all the time, just pluck them once and while strings are ringing there will be time to move fingers on a touch pad to change parameter values in the elctronics. I also like the music Skrillex makes. I already have an AKAI 4000s EWI and just can't imagine a better MIDI controller for *playing* electronics. There was a funny and intelligent comment on the linked YouTube page: "The Kitara is a crappy guitar in the sense that a banjo is a crappy drumset.=EF=BB=BF" Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:09 AM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music Festival wrote: > Holy shit!=C2=A0 Is anyone using this? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DTik7wmFdMIA&feature=3Dplayer_embedded > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7hslBmNF9ak&feature=3Dplayer_embedded > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 26 10:44:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58C3A183462; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:44:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F9926F6.7090200@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 06:44:06 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120420 Thunderbird/12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:44:10 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long Special Focus on Wave World. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Tableaux" on VFR Records. The Focus page is at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#apr I will also play music of Broekhuis, Keller and Schonwalder who will be playing at the Soundscapes Concert Series in May. Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 26 13:28:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 302C2183460; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:28:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:28:53 UTC Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-154-657047206 From: Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 06:22:12 -0700 Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-Id: <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> To: Paul Richards X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:28:53 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-154-657047206 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Harshly put (not enough coffee yet)... That depends on whether you are interested in indulgent self-exploration = or in entertaining the audience. Both are valid. Just don't be surprised if the audience is more = interested in paying for =97 or listening to for that matter =97 the = latter. My music tends more toward the former and while I greatly appreciate it = when it clicks with people, I don't feel that something is out of whack = if most people put their attention elsewhere. Mark On Apr 25, 2012, at 3:43 PM, Paul Richards wrote: > I think 14 million people bought "Beanie Babies". And tens of = thousands of people show up at mall shoe stores to battle over some new = Michael Jordan sneaker. Millions more snarf the garbage that McDonalds = sells. Numbers don't mean shit, man. >=20 > From: chaz worm > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" = =20 > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 5:40 PM > Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping >=20 > Hey, what guitar mystery man does is essentially "pop looping". Of = course true "looping afficianados" would not like it.=20 > But it's a cool little video.=20 > It's looping for the masses. That's why none of y'all have a 3million = hit video.=20 >=20 > Good for him.=20 >=20 > Chaz >=20 > Sent from my iPhone >=20 > On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:02 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >=20 > > On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:18 PM, chaz worm = wrote: > >> I think it's pretty cool anytime more people can get a glimpse into = a vague semblance of what I do > >=20 > > You too running in houses with shades? Cool! > >=20 > > Per ;-)) > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-154-657047206 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
I think 14 million people bought "Beanie Babies". = And tens of thousands of people show up at mall shoe stores to battle = over some new Michael Jordan sneaker. = Millions more snarf the garbage that McDonalds sells. Numbers don't mean = shit, man.

From: chaz worm <chaz@earthwormandfire.com>= ;
To: "Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: 3 million hits with = livelooping

Hey, what guitar mystery man does is = essentially "pop looping". Of course true "looping afficianados" would = not like it.
But it's a cool little video.
It's looping for the = masses. That's why none of y'all have a 3million hit video.

Good for him. =

Chaz

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:02 = PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> = wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:18 PM, chaz worm <chaz@earthwormandfire.com= > wrote:
>> I think it's pretty cool anytime more people can = get a glimpse into a vague semblance of what I do
>
> You = too running in houses with shades? Cool!
>
> Per = ;-))
> =




= --Apple-Mail-154-657047206-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 26 13:35:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94D63183460; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:35:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 952730.60527.bm@omp1065.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1335447334; bh=TD28bemj3fBcjJWu0pvXmi0CbrwZOkbJY2/KJI0HDRE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pWpWLSL6XYXiXicAPgfYOI4ejWb38W2R5QIPTJVtgumi9R/ylkBK01Poi1C6ScoKsWjbmfVVIxgTMN5bqtwiXcHruiBNHv3kBux068fUK19g3ggKgd2BY1yA4aX2HccKJDTIl6u6m1uibzabPfP/x9i7CERO/0ZSdIOZMBc4Ehg= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EKTmvWkCIeIsMFqJGHVM4TnAM2eJTN2njU7cs0jMs6SBRx+beEfxwOYdTtDt1umG3L8rXJWCARmQAa1BD8rBrgmJ4i+okUGmyGw5VgJ3N+v2MG5xiSH2RBIhw0Uo7ohTwLlgtQS3jjsThUth7nQszc0vcXXWTyruX9NLXhGWYSw=; X-YMail-OSG: P..uTT4VM1nEa.5Z15OlkrRme4D9ohBNALEPkTGk7rTFEom RpFOijowHdQ5hLIw0zsLztCxNDRZknGWKiCk1x03uwxsl21oVpPuRuYosykE N3kkpxNpQ4x2gw.j5r98hvSHSPuTekpTFb09Htd92iuMyf9RnPXp0wh3RJ.H 05rseH2GTbKvZpJvScMK.BA_qWqWZ2r2XN.oOtNmh4BJGcwYlTJBeS2Vxzxh UmLTKfUt9TnoXn8Q_wtNQ0UwaxL45_4A9AlQL_Fl1T5rJRL2T0FwCuhEjs6F pup57_JI9HYqMDYVzd0q5rlbu_bNJc0k5hpwblyJYo33CPZey0obmqTEp0VR CyeA6_2PwkDzdb7Sjz0sf04wlaJnik.kY3AjzrLfvqQZJFw.OUYhwSp.vow2 u5uDh8j83sf.fP8uTC0D4T.6lcOeV2ATcaHneY83DMXsWYCbk8Svms4RutqO SY8x5HpqAM4SD9dtTiX7Ek.Obhbuqg._.xyaBDzE5zJ25lx2rHgZgGc5hSQ- - X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> Message-ID: <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 06:35:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Reply-To: Paul Richards Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-2109272776-1513210608-1335447334=:55755" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:35:35 +0000 (UTC) ---2109272776-1513210608-1335447334=:55755 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, again, the "herd instinct" at work doesn't mean anything. Every singl= e day I see a video posted on Yahoo with a caption that reads "xxx video go= es viral". So what!? If 1,000,000 idiots do something, does that make it so= mething that I want to do (e.g. watching Jackass movies, piercing my testic= les, et al)?=0A=C2=A0=0AI'm not specifically referring to music - just the = tendency of the herd to follow whatever starts being blitzed to the public = via TV, radio & print. =0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0A=0A=0A_________________________= _______=0AFrom: Mark Hamburg =0ATo: Paul Richards =0ACc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" =0ASent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:22 AM=0A= Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping=0A=0A=0AHarshly put (not enoug= h coffee yet)... =0A=0AThat depends on whether you are interested in indulg= ent self-exploration or in entertaining the audience. =0A=0ABoth are valid.= Just don't be surprised if the audience is more interested in paying for = =E2=80=94 or listening to for that matter =E2=80=94 the latter.=0A=0AMy mus= ic tends more toward the former and while I greatly appreciate it when it c= licks with people, I don't feel that something is out of whack if most peop= le put their attention elsewhere.=0A=0A=0AMark=0A=0A=0AOn Apr 25, 2012, at = 3:43 PM, Paul Richards wrote:=0A=0AI think 14 million people bought "Beanie= Babies". And tens of thousands of people show up at mall shoe stores to ba= ttle over some new Michael Jordan sneaker. Millions more snarf the garbage = that McDonalds sells. Numbers don't mean shit, man.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>____= ____________________________=0A>From: chaz worm = =0A>To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" =0A>Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 5:40 PM=0A>Subject: Re: 3 mill= ion hits with livelooping=0A>=0A>Hey, what guitar mystery man does is essen= tially "pop looping". Of course true "looping afficianados" would not like = it. =0A>But it's a cool little video. =0A>It's looping for the masses. That= 's why none of y'all have a 3million hit video. =0A>=0A>Good for him. =0A>= =0A>Chaz=0A>=0A>Sent from my iPhone=0A>=0A>On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:02 PM, Per= Boysen wrote:=0A>=0A>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:18 = PM, chaz worm wrote:=0A>>> I think it's pretty = cool anytime more people can get a glimpse into a vague semblance of what I= do=0A>> =0A>> You too running in houses with shades? Cool!=0A>> =0A>> Per = ;-))=0A>> =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> ---2109272776-1513210608-1335447334=:55755 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, again, the "herd instinct" at work = doesn't mean anything. Every single day I see a video posted on Yahoo with = a caption that reads "xxx video goes viral". So what!? If 1,000,000 idiots = do something, does that make it something that I want to do (e.g. watching = Jackass movies, piercing my testicles, et al)?
 
I'm not specifically= referring to music - just the tendency of the herd to follow whatever star= ts being blitzed to the public via TV, radio & print.
 
 

From:= Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com>
To: Paul Richards <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com= >
Cc: "Loopers-Delig= ht@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
= Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012= 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: 3 = million hits with livelooping

Harshly put (not enough coffee yet)...

That depends on whether you are interested in indulgent self-explorati= on or in entertaining the audience.

Both are valid. Just don't be surprised if the audience is more intere= sted in paying for =E2=80=94 or listening to for that matter =E2=80=94 the = latter.

My music tends more toward the former and while I greatly appreciate i= t when it clicks with people, I don't feel that something is out of whack i= f most people put their attention elsewhere.

Mark

On Apr 25, 2012, at 3:43 PM, Paul Richards wrote:

I think 14 million people bought "Beanie Babies". And tens of th= ousands of people show up at mall shoe stores to battle over some new Micha= el Jordan sneaker. Millions more= snarf the garbage that McDonalds sells. Numbers don't mean shit, man.

From: chaz worm <chaz@earthwormandfire.com><= BR>To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-del= ight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: 3 million hits with liveloop= ing

Hey, what guitar mystery man does is essentially "p= op looping". Of course true "looping afficianados" would not like it.
B= ut it's a cool little video.
It's looping for the masses. That's why no= ne of y'all have a 3million hit video.

Good for him.

Chaz
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:02 PM, Per Boysen &l= t;perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
<= BR>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:18 PM, chaz worm <chaz@earthwormandfire.com> wrote:
>&= gt; I think it's pretty cool anytime more people can get a glimpse into a v= ague semblance of what I do
>
> You too running in houses with sha= des? Cool!
>
> Per ;-))
>






---2109272776-1513210608-1335447334=:55755-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 26 14:40:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF38A183455; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:40:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 369724.83711.bm@omp1070.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1335451253; bh=9fEnOymTwAe3XG4WmSkWvbITDi4WydXHO3wwdy4U/NU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=afgUY/3aBc6NaxZGFpof1dBBkuPLXo20P87CxzuuASPDE3hZbUAc1oGZECc4yWzklHpd/GZjAjc5Ala21vgxhOsCJX7g3if6ybkfxqvBS+yDfehd+bCAgXJD2W8GJTd9aEs2m/+mC6SDIIL6MURdbdDjNtuleqvaDn8nh59A450= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Z5vxV771pAu/kpdSZxlTRB3GkzqG/fAs/SpvR2jw13vA5Rs0eRH67Fqz7L2WJnNkGFkKuAT1umHKkNzWISQKzRrpfNRanORhhFjA7fiHgyxa6uqXHLp2LkycEAK1cP8sHMQ7OMRJS10FxmJ1h1zXRelYvGJnByf2aWMo7PblR0A=; X-YMail-OSG: mbm2RMAVM1nl4swwwx.1nxXr67x3GFEPiiYoUA0cVqkfJcO kCataw9Q3Z5OoVc3jvL6dEbVOQJRB3IQjQ6DIDoe3F8126pDxrDTtFr1ChTl w0qsE8qSGQxNgpdoJT_vljaTy0AmyzcF0OUL39pPDuFHjN1uav3I.jHEHI23 zdwsI3iYfUr2UJ1x8HBgsyja74E_ZIfPcZiO8ZPGfAbfjHcDbFQPIWwG9CHK RO4h201brKPCxz.yLUHTVf.h3IlRug.TSAteTrb_1n1ywRL77ZQg_TcoQtcY AYRJogEO7f9N3z6HX4G438GBrTIFl0UdtSpXgnGT8AGnWiZFx36z2w.RSMom w3jL26H4WrMqQvsxUug9_0wmZUX04r14LqANMP9hw38wmdom35RCHkgEdEFM v4FkmsCEM4EikXCte7D7dD_jSdbV7ATEvt9uuxGVB6wS7wjS362iP7SFPLLt IRABksount.IRd79C X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 Message-ID: <1335451253.46271.YahooMailNeo@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 07:40:53 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: 3 million hits To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1662753009-1621136403-1335451253=:46271" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:40:54 +0000 (UTC) --1662753009-1621136403-1335451253=:46271 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have not yet viewed tis "controversial" bit. I'm going to though.=A03 mil= lion hits tells me that there is something about it that folks find it comp= elling. I won't know unless I see it.=0ARig --1662753009-1621136403-1335451253=:46271 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have not yet viewed tis "controversial" bit. I'm going to though.&n= bsp;3 million hits tells me that there is something about it that folks fin= d it compelling. I won't know unless I see it.
Rig
--1662753009-1621136403-1335451253=:46271-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 26 15:35:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8853A183455; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:35:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <20120424222809.13500.42370.levelstar.mail@everest> <004101cd22ae$23af0920$6b0d1b60$@de> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's Delight misconception In-Reply-To: <004101cd22ae$23af0920$6b0d1b60$@de> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CEF1D961B25F93_1D70_65B5_webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36032-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEF1D961A41753-1D70-1823@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [68.162.173.193] Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:35:46 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1335454547; bh=EDoSJ7GQJRqv+20bYDQM2rsKcrVouPjK6Bl4pVmQv3k=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lI5UDhfQEJyqYlwBuI8fQG79aQwxZpYfvGrnYyVb/Ia8413KoPp77tXxm/HVtMMZw CNv7hOv6U9hOFIxN2GU8KSywtyvbkZLrg6v7/X+xOahQadmA1w8bhYLPwO3As9Obh/ t/LH8hy99qee3chQx4HY4Iohixkhy6dGCh2McTr8= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:336427968:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b4f996b52786e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:35:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CEF1D961B25F93_1D70_65B5_webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" michael sez: but by keeping the site for themselves instead of opening it up,=20 for reasons nobody really understands, the site owners effectively killed i= t.=20 michael sez:....WHAT ?.....LD is dead?????.....why am i always the last to = know? =20 ----------MB_8CEF1D961B25F93_1D70_65B5_webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" michael sez:
but by keeping the site for themselves instead of opening it up,=20 for reasons nobody really understands, the site owners effectively killed i= t.


michael sez:....WHAT ?.....LD i= s dead?????.....why am i always the last to know?
----------MB_8CEF1D961B25F93_1D70_65B5_webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 26 15:49:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EC8E183462; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:49:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=OexN9MA1m4rX2MoTiuo6u8GJtuoT2jEIMfcucKHN/jk=; b=0nvnwlZ2BLTzKwr3kJpaqxJFsr99k5dilim+al1jBazleEQDrRMRhsl22H2QZyrnpz LB47Cc5q0qhC2XEtDyO36wjveMb8q1hBKNqbLhsHULyQpC7bhj93+0MWcYLNLekUI+KA grO8gqk2AHm6s3JfPtAdW4KpIGdZsu6nHTtSJdZIdPXtjqkQ00GdBldCRHfOmHYs71NB IufuB9lziSfrpUYLTBCOQAfZCajCqXfTnNbF36C9LIbeyDDcJG4elqzmq0boL9Ip+2Ki TOW5W7G5Z8M6/MKYg4dKJoW5Jz71cFyn784uTuDMaQLrmUV/HEm0JtMc6N9d4a7S8bhF bBMQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8CEF1D961A41753-1D70-1823@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> References: <20120424222809.13500.42370.levelstar.mail@everest> <004101cd22ae$23af0920$6b0d1b60$@de> <8CEF1D961A41753-1D70-1823@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> From: todd reynolds Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:48:43 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looper's Delight misconception To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efe2cd095c6ea04be96ee9d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:49:25 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4efe2cd095c6ea04be96ee9d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know, right? On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:35 AM, michael klobuchar wrot= e: > michael sez: > > but by keeping the site for themselves instead of opening it up, > for reasons nobody really understands, the site owners effectively killed= it. > > > > michael sez:....WHAT ?.....LD is dead?????.....why am i always the last t= o > know? > > > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =95 *The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011* - Amazon.com =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://toddreynolds.com http://twitter.com/digifiddler http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://facebook.com/toddreynolds http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds need me right away? Call or text me at 917.576.6166 --e0cb4efe2cd095c6ea04be96ee9d Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I know, right?

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:35 AM, michael klobuchar <= nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:
michael sez:
but by keeping th=
e site for themselves instead of opening it up,=20
for reasons nobody really understands, the site owners effectively killed i=
t.


michael sez:....WHAT ?.....LD is dead?????.....why am i always the la= st to know?
=20



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=95 The Best Classical Music of=A0the Ye= ar, 2011 - Amazon.com

=95=A0Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now avail= able wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however!=A0=

need me right away? =A0Call or text me at 917.576.6166



--e0cb4efe2cd095c6ea04be96ee9d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 26 16:08:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1738218345E; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:08:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=xp/P9TdBPUiIL4iZsPOd+CqhGIgHRavihLVthpq7bs4=; b=bpXOgIwRLa8IO+W4op1oYKN+M4VSBcjVC1tEZjlpBzA9QY1A7hv1fRBaWvn9J6+ho5 DKIGtMa1m8aqZm//vqTmiTuLcBkQQfE02+GHc/+fLR48ArUmcgIr6gYWYxTX91Xq8jXQ XW4zKNL8lXIZYGkf5H9YbtEg2qdfm1x2pZ8gHpIBeh2Q6GrySDRbZL0wxO2uqYte/1Uy KUnA5OgXuFRono5zAzo7yh3P1B4f39epsWM5QzdA0/bJvlDkef2hzZYLjh8TIV95yaWz jPbZgLVNPP/YLjucUcFNlj4RdpWCpzCyxta5h+nhQQRItKpXGSykddLBF4w11/N4306J HiPQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20120424222809.13500.42370.levelstar.mail@everest> <004101cd22ae$23af0920$6b0d1b60$@de> <8CEF1D961A41753-1D70-1823@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:08:31 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looper's Delight misconception From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba5bb8eb02c8af04be9733a1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:08:32 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba5bb8eb02c8af04be9733a1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maintaining a website for a community as large as this is, is a task that no-one (?) likes to do pro bono. We so much want everything served for us on a silver platter, updated, full of the latest info and so forth, but really forget that in these kind of communities, somebody ALWAYS has to do the job of maintaining the technological side of things. As so many times in this forum it has said, when someone wants to do this without getting paid and just for the love of it, he / she is free to do so. But as we have noticed, volunteers always disappear in this stage... :-) _Petri_ 2012/4/26 todd reynolds > I know, right? > > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:35 AM, michael klobuchar wr= ote: > >> michael sez: >> >> but by keeping the site for themselves instead of opening it up, >> for reasons nobody really understands, the site owners effectively kille= d it. >> >> >> >> michael sez:....WHAT ?.....LD is dead?????.....why am i always the last >> to know? >> >> >> >> > > > -- > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =95 *The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011* - Amazon.com > > =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wherever > music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > http://toddreynolds.com > http://twitter.com/digifiddler > http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic > http://blog.toddreynolds.com > http://facebook.com/toddreynolds > http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds > > need me right away? Call or text me at 917.576.6166 > > > > --=20 Petri --90e6ba5bb8eb02c8af04be9733a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Maintaining a website for a community as large a= s this is,
is a task that no-one (?) likes to do pro bono.

We so = much want everything served for us on a silver platter,
updated, full of= the latest info and so forth, but really forget
that in these kind of communities, somebody ALWAYS has
to do the job of= maintaining the technological side of things.

As so many times in t= his forum it has said,
when someone wants to do this without getting pa= id
and just for the love of it, he / she is free to do so.
But as we have n= oticed, volunteers always disappear in this stage...

:-)

_Pet= ri_

2012/4/26 todd reynolds <toddreyn@= gmail.com>
I know, right?


On Thu, Apr 26, 2012= at 11:35 AM, michael klobuchar <nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:
michael sez:
but by keeping th=
e site for themselves instead of opening it up,=20
for reasons nobody really understands, the site owners effectively killed i=
t.


michael sez:....WHAT ?.....LD is dead?????.....why am i always the la= st to know?
=20



= --
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=95 The Best Classical Music= of=A0the Year, 2011 - Amazon.com

=95=A0Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now avail= able wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however!=A0=

need me right away? =A0Call or text me at 917.576.6166






--
Petri


--90e6ba5bb8eb02c8af04be9733a1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 26 16:13:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22CBE183461; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:13:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 487 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:13:05 UTC Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:04:59 +0000 (UTC) From: Christophe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <1614212464.2201385.1335456299135.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Kitara MIDI guitar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2201384_1144969296.1335456299114" X-Originating-IP: [170.63.96.108] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:13:05 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2201384_1144969296.1335456299114 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a Sonuus GM2, a little unit that cost about $100, that is a guitar to MIDI converter - no hex pickup required. You can't play chords, and you do have to pick cleanly, but it tracks quite well and it's a really cheap way to get a foot in the door of MIDI. I'm mostly using it to drive a Waldorf Blofeld and a Dave Smith Mopho. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 7:45:13 PM Subject: Re: Kitara MIDI guitar Ditto on the Godin xtSA synth access guitar. A lot of the fine tweaking comes down to playing technique; musical styles enters into the mix, too. I use it with a GI-20 that drives an XV-8080 and any soft synths (working on getting it to drive the iPad next) and Plogue bidules, a GR-1, and a VG-88. No complaints other than lusting after an Axon unit which is said to be a little faster than the Rolands. Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > I have a Godin Synth Access Guitar with an Axon unit and I love it. I > don't think its configured properly and that makes it all the better > (ghost notes and the like). I can play it properly and get only what > I intend or I can have a synth duet with randomness. > > But the Godin guitar is great. I haven't heard people complaining > about the GR-55 or VG-99 so I'd suppose the Roland gear is good to go > as well. > > Kevin > > > On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music > Festival wrote: >> I guess they are coming out with just a controller version for $300. I have >> similar concerns. I'm not sure if the buttons would do it for me. >> Does anyone make a MIDI ready guitar with actual strings? Seems like >> Roland has totally dominated the market with the hex pickup and their >> standalone units, and I see that the Axon stuff is off the market now. >> I suppose I could by one of those old Roland GI-20 converter and a hex >> pickup. But those things are apparently slow as hell. >> Kris ------=_Part_2201384_1144969296.1335456299114 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= div style=3D'font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>I have a = Sonuus GM2, a little unit that cost about $100, that is a guitar to MIDI co= nverter - no hex pickup required.  You can't play chords, and you do h= ave to pick cleanly, but it tracks quite well and it's a really cheap way t= o get a foot in the door of MIDI.  I'm mostly using it to drive a Wald= orf Blofeld and a Dave Smith Mopho.

From: "= Dennis Moser" <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight= @loopers-delight.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 7:45:13 PMSubject: Re: Kitara MIDI guitar

Ditto on the Godin xtSA syn= th access guitar. A lot of the fine
tweaking comes down to playing techn= ique; musical styles enters into
the mix, too.

I use it with a GI= -20 that drives an XV-8080 and any soft synths
(working on getting it to= drive the iPad next) and Plogue bidules, a
GR-1, and a VG-88.

No= complaints other than lusting after an Axon unit which is said to
be a = little faster than the Rolands.

Best,

Dennis

http://so= undcloud.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com
http://usrslashsbin.angre= k.com/


On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando
&= lt;billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have a Godin Synth Access Guit= ar with an Axon unit and I love it.  I
> don't think its configu= red properly and that makes it all the better
> (ghost notes and the = like).  I can play it properly and get only what
> I intend or I= can have a synth duet with randomness.
>
> But the Godin guita= r is great.  I haven't heard people complaining
> about the GR-5= 5 or VG-99 so I'd suppose the Roland gear is good to go
> as well.>
> Kevin
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 4:14 PM= , Boise Creative & Improvised Music
> Festival <krispen.hartun= g@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I guess they are coming out with just a = controller version for $300.  I have
>> similar concerns. &nb= sp;I'm not sure if the buttons would do it for me.
>> Does anyone = make a MIDI ready guitar with actual strings?   Seems like
>>= Roland has totally dominated the market with the hex pickup and their
&= gt;> standalone units, and I see that the Axon stuff is off the market n= ow.
>> I suppose I could by one of those old Roland GI-20 converte= r and a hex
>> pickup. But those things are apparently slow as hel= l.
>> Kris
------=_Part_2201384_1144969296.1335456299114-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 26 16:13:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A170183474; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:13:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=s2o81lnshk1wp6iVN5lfmq9n7xvwOp2S0/FsoPaytQA=; b=yRGX3lUD/nrAsYRGMML6vbKIlGr0mK7TFGcUpcB3TLp3XTOXtJiD0QEg6JSduyKZHL rdPE6yj64o0v2UNY2itPwdbjTQE2fomxq/KwXOcoh1LiE7GAoOIrl65PvF/9BhqUxqX/ PI+RHlqivlLauWCGA60tQVVuPm+LZG+1/0jXDjz9iyjQQ6LP+3SUG08sT2zFB9hKYm6q MNMpHY801WgaVlQJY5u83kxGs4pz7Rh62C/D3to/2FyHdQe537zjydbjDThZgy1b5gEA zZaBcu5T0uVkxVxMAl/7k3S5WgXZkAkcLMA6gOyuL3IufzCIQebztLakIM3FO+7p6rBU qHvw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:13:17 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping From: Ricky Graham To: Paul Richards Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:13:18 +0000 (UTC) Well done, Chaz. It would not do any of you any harm to take the positives away from this video, beyond your own aesthetic. It currently provides a platform, albeit temporary, to present the fundamental idea behind looping audio in real-time. Who cares if he wears glasses in-doors. The fact is, the video presents a musical concept that supposedly this list is invested in, lots of people are watching it and it is seemingly bringing joy into peoples lives. I suppose it all comes down to what you consider meaningful to you, the individual. If you find it meaningful to adopt a cynical point of view and bash other peoples creativity, whether it is pop or otherwise, then fine. I think Matthias was looking for some constructive feedback but instead this thread has descended into dung. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Paul Richards wrote: > Well, again, the "herd instinct" at work doesn't mean anything. Every sin= gle > day I see a video posted on Yahoo with a caption that reads "xxx video go= es > viral". So what!? If 1,000,000 idiots do something, does that make it > something that I want to do (e.g. watching Jackass movies, piercing my > testicles, et al)? > > I'm not specifically referring to music - just the tendency of the herd t= o > follow whatever starts being blitzed to the public via TV, radio & print. > > > > From: Mark Hamburg > To: Paul Richards > Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:22 AM > > Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping > > Harshly put (not enough coffee yet)... > > That depends on whether you are interested in indulgent self-exploration = or > in entertaining the audience. > > Both are valid. Just don't be surprised if the audience is more intereste= d > in paying for =97 or listening to for that matter =97 the latter. > > My music tends more toward the former and while I greatly appreciate it w= hen > it clicks with people, I don't feel that something is out of whack if mos= t > people put their attention elsewhere. > > Mark > > On Apr 25, 2012, at 3:43 PM, Paul Richards wrote: > > I think 14 million people bought "Beanie Babies". And tens of thousands o= f > people show up at mall shoe stores to battle over some new Michael Jordan > sneaker. Millions more snarf the garbage that McDonalds sells. Numbers do= n't > mean shit, man. > > From: chaz worm > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 5:40 PM > Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping > > Hey, what guitar mystery man does is essentially "pop looping". Of course > true "looping afficianados" would not like it. > But it's a cool little video. > It's looping for the masses. That's why none of y'all have a 3million hit > video. > > Good for him. > > Chaz > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:02 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:18 PM, chaz worm >> wrote: >>> I think it's pretty cool anytime more people can get a glimpse into a >>> vague semblance of what I do >> >> You too running in houses with shades? Cool! >> >> Per ;-)) >> > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 26 16:19:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A102183460; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:19:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=VbwBoKMoE7gBYwsFRmRuFzBIjOcWG9pnt+7ibchWrnQ=; b=AkwGGmaOhcXS8IoNzs0WJdAWBiq/hxtIhxa4Z2ZRhs4aFHgXPmRb2mkGVP+/kliVJI drExhyewl3Fg0ta+0zxdo/Yy00V6MqmBeoMs49ko7nOGPvXGfjq/DET8nYuVSor/mknN wCzBMk69G0NFvBsAuuQ6jBJXlAxo6bAwZrSbkMwVl8wS0rQD4h6SECRiOm1Sul2MJLV3 Yglr5BAr/Ic20ymB2TZsFqxe19hYAAYwxJ2riMaRZ+N0s3N+iz7ErfUGt1z+MKlAtm4t rtR04Hh6gqEHyHpZ2Cl1PEUdb7rucWYJIrO7AHDlItsLYWhkbyNenfWqxd4XHtTmbole JUMg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: todd reynolds Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:18:34 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f22c705520e9f04be975903 Resent-Message-ID: <2CryVD.A.x8E.DWXmPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:19:16 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f22c705520e9f04be975903 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 IF there is dung being flung... (and truly I've found value in quite a number of comments, dung OR mung)... Perhaps it's because Matthias, one of the sweetest among us, made the simple semantic choice to say, "guys, what do you think of this?" Perhaps just a bit too open of a question. Everybody seemed to pile on quickly with the voice of his/her own criticism. To Matthias, I've been waiting to really hear what you yourself thought about this, because I always value hearing your voice in the mix. Perhaps I missed it in the thread already though. Cheers to all of you, each one of whom I appreciate. T. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Well done, Chaz. It would not do any of you any harm to take the > positives away from this video, beyond your own aesthetic. It > currently provides a platform, albeit temporary, to present the > fundamental idea behind looping audio in real-time. Who cares if he > wears glasses in-doors. The fact is, the video presents a musical > concept that supposedly this list is invested in, lots of people are > watching it and it is seemingly bringing joy into peoples lives. I > suppose it all comes down to what you consider meaningful to you, the > individual. If you find it meaningful to adopt a cynical point of view > and bash other peoples creativity, whether it is pop or otherwise, > then fine. I think Matthias was looking for some constructive feedback > but instead this thread has descended into dung. > > -- --e89a8f22c705520e9f04be975903 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
IF there is dung being flung... (and truly I'= ;ve found value in quite a number of comments, dung OR mung)...=A0

Perhaps it'= ;s because Matthias, one of the sweetest among us, made the simple semantic= choice to say, "guys, what do you think of this?" =A0Perhaps jus= t a bit too open of a question. =A0Everybody seemed to pile on quickly with= the voice of his/her own criticism.

To Matthias= , =A0I've been waiting to really hear what you yourself thought about t= his, because I always value hearing your voice in the mix. Perhaps I missed= it in the thread already though. =A0

Cheers to a= ll of you, each one of whom I appreciate.=A0

T.=A0

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Ricky Graham <rickygrahammu= sic@gmail.com> wrote:
Well done, Chaz. It would not do any of you = any harm to take the
positives away from this video, beyond your own aesthetic. It
currently provides a platform, albeit temporary, to present the
fundamental idea behind looping audio in real-time. Who cares if he
wears glasses in-doors. =A0The fact is, the video presents a musical
concept that supposedly this list is invested in, lots of people are
watching it and it is seemingly bringing joy into peoples lives. I
suppose it all comes down to what you consider meaningful to you, the
individual. If you find it meaningful to adopt a cynical point of view
and bash other peoples creativity, whether it is pop or otherwise,
then fine. I think Matthias was looking for some constructive feedback
but instead this thread has descended into dung.



--


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--e89a8f22c705520e9f04be975903-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 26 16:23:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B6AC183463; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:23:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FYozkg/SztnHyxw9dvzQMT/JRLgyG/29Nbapx+Th5IA=; b=r2MgpQ/HqYuFZo2UhkhSDEUO3B3SXF7kDX099V6GJ1vfpTCTBAOXourd1A8W3eHJBh LfFbsPIqkj1vq6HGrY/rPje9MvdVS/ftqtPuFcyvK6y6k76GU8D14+7x2ihvPXIz5jLk KdQADALFzN9pZ1BkdoGJahtHVGTZ08/X8OZQL6ODe4wCbTcPQVaUySz+VYr0GZwITY9y sEVXKf/3XRr/0fNf8HYijzMxJyjBRI7Myw+6xG9PsJL5DjwFzQTyTse4yFNG+bWbTfdD fPcswSE5xZchHBbWzxXEjS8nbxrn/nLF0AgDhcaBO6G1nascagCyenqJX/nUpc4/wjEz taiA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1614212464.2201385.1335456299135.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1614212464.2201385.1335456299135.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:23:25 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kitara MIDI guitar From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:23:27 +0000 (UTC) I also have a Sonuus GM2 that use for all manner of audio-to-MIDI input; right now it's my testbed tool for using with several bidules I'm experimenting with. It is, indeed, an easy way to ease into Guitar-MIDI =85 The Godin/Roland combo is still my setup of choice, however, since it doesn't require the same level of tweakage that the Sonuss does. Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Christophe wrote: > I have a Sonuus GM2, a little unit that cost about $100, that is a guitar= to > MIDI converter - no hex pickup required.=A0 You can't play chords, and yo= u do > have to pick cleanly, but it tracks quite well and it's a really cheap wa= y > to get a foot in the door of MIDI.=A0 I'm mostly using it to drive a Wald= orf > Blofeld and a Dave Smith Mopho. > > ________________________________ > From: "Dennis Moser" > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 7:45:13 PM > Subject: Re: Kitara MIDI guitar > > Ditto on the Godin xtSA synth access guitar. A lot of the fine > tweaking comes down to playing technique; musical styles enters into > the mix, too. > > I use it with a GI-20 that drives an XV-8080 and any soft synths > (working on getting it to drive the iPad next) and Plogue bidules, a > GR-1, and a VG-88. > > No complaints other than lusting after an Axon unit which is said to > be a little faster than the Rolands. > > Best, > > Dennis > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando > wrote: >> I have a Godin Synth Access Guitar with an Axon unit and I love it. =A0I >> don't think its configured properly and that makes it all the better >> (ghost notes and the like). =A0I can play it properly and get only what >> I intend or I can have a synth duet with randomness. >> >> But the Godin guitar is great. =A0I haven't heard people complaining >> about the GR-55 or VG-99 so I'd suppose the Roland gear is good to go >> as well. >> >> Kevin >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music >> Festival wrote: >>> I guess they are coming out with just a controller version for $300. = =A0I >>> have >>> similar concerns. =A0I'm not sure if the buttons would do it for me. >>> Does anyone make a MIDI ready guitar with actual strings? =A0 Seems lik= e >>> Roland has totally dominated the market with the hex pickup and their >>> standalone units, and I see that the Axon stuff is off the market now. >>> I suppose I could by one of those old Roland GI-20 converter and a hex >>> pickup. But those things are apparently slow as hell. >>> Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 26 16:33:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90A4418345E; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:33:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YiOdcjWyrmH+uMB3ZjqlrhhKZgMgTX5kXpeiF8hG1t4=; b=c5V1hSq/ciKv+ol5LYEuGbcMe9Cq+G8lNGlbTulGYER4WurGh6l1ow1zkDjJ6QdyIZ iNgcJNNz4CO2BQvjlx+FzzPOwHuSUs2Htpr4ZVVxUme5bgm77SyqFw1w13SUfASzd9Lp FKv13gw1kWWYCJE3PnbpBxtG0jBzSfTLx1v9zGgF/8k2o35yE9mo5fL3EwnlK9UTYqlJ QymJWPlZfL0Jr+EhmW0P5NhmL1B6N0wtpSbU+zllqyqVTA7d0bd0uScv7NV/4wM+b2SH dAV6jj2iVsUBN3ZQ5ykMBCnHEN4EnhULFFWahC5f8iyUtpWlzjxR4IJ6nBUDfIev1Ctu kvWg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:33:18 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:33:19 +0000 (UTC) Fair enough, Todd. Just trying to provide a different perspective is all. It is not as bad as it seems ;) On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 5:18 PM, todd reynolds wrote: > IF there is dung being flung... (and truly I've found value in quite a > number of comments, dung OR mung)... > > Perhaps it's because Matthias, one of the sweetest among us, made the sim= ple > semantic choice to say, "guys, what do you think of this?" =A0Perhaps jus= t a > bit too open of a question. =A0Everybody seemed to pile on quickly with t= he > voice of his/her own criticism. > > To Matthias, =A0I've been waiting to really hear what you yourself though= t > about this, because I always value hearing your voice in the mix. Perhaps= I > missed it in the thread already though. > > Cheers to all of you, each one of whom I appreciate. > > T. > > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Ricky Graham > wrote: >> >> Well done, Chaz. It would not do any of you any harm to take the >> positives away from this video, beyond your own aesthetic. It >> currently provides a platform, albeit temporary, to present the >> fundamental idea behind looping audio in real-time. Who cares if he >> wears glasses in-doors. =A0The fact is, the video presents a musical >> concept that supposedly this list is invested in, lots of people are >> watching it and it is seemingly bringing joy into peoples lives. I >> suppose it all comes down to what you consider meaningful to you, the >> individual. If you find it meaningful to adopt a cynical point of view >> and bash other peoples creativity, whether it is pop or otherwise, >> then fine. I think Matthias was looking for some constructive feedback >> but instead this thread has descended into dung. >> > > > -- > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 26 16:35:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7249818345E; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:35:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=YxBBuwyWVRJoEFOoE3PEqo3Pwkx0IJieVe9QAHM4/zk=; b=wjQIU+RWnUJn23575ki456xeBLj3vTVu4zV2k3Qno7R/JLYW3xfIll1yMsuSIiq+1N 6XVeUbh66HFQHSfNXYIX3rBuGf9AhinXLY088it6TB3zu4I1LmClqwoks70Tteowuzfr l5ybgfwi2IPlZjjrBeuujYWqEGMD9i14fRHyn9FJW2MbFQeWEiYl6wmER8WP96Og57Cv yb6WCT9XBzPcr25lYCU6YhuS7CfiNAyoP7utxKffTumsbMgtqYY0fTrAqOQIsushUlFI 4YZBj5+xzEhIJtcNHCGOCehAqnDtAIgUGwkCSgWsE9puAEM3y0fHrOQNftnwoUKJEqkU Yw6Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: todd reynolds Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:35:14 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04308af0ecba0604be97943f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:35:56 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04308af0ecba0604be97943f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Indeed, I'm with you on that side too, Ricky. Lovefest all around. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Fair enough, Todd. Just trying to provide a different perspective is > all. It is not as bad as it seems ;) > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 5:18 PM, todd reynolds wrote= : > > IF there is dung being flung... (and truly I've found value in quite a > > number of comments, dung OR mung)... > > > > Perhaps it's because Matthias, one of the sweetest among us, made the > simple > > semantic choice to say, "guys, what do you think of this?" Perhaps jus= t > a > > bit too open of a question. Everybody seemed to pile on quickly with t= he > > voice of his/her own criticism. > > > > To Matthias, I've been waiting to really hear what you yourself though= t > > about this, because I always value hearing your voice in the mix. > Perhaps I > > missed it in the thread already though. > > > > Cheers to all of you, each one of whom I appreciate. > > > > T. > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Ricky Graham < > rickygrahammusic@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> Well done, Chaz. It would not do any of you any harm to take the > >> positives away from this video, beyond your own aesthetic. It > >> currently provides a platform, albeit temporary, to present the > >> fundamental idea behind looping audio in real-time. Who cares if he > >> wears glasses in-doors. The fact is, the video presents a musical > >> concept that supposedly this list is invested in, lots of people are > >> watching it and it is seemingly bringing joy into peoples lives. I > >> suppose it all comes down to what you consider meaningful to you, the > >> individual. If you find it meaningful to adopt a cynical point of view > >> and bash other peoples creativity, whether it is pop or otherwise, > >> then fine. I think Matthias was looking for some constructive feedback > >> but instead this thread has descended into dung. > >> > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =95 *The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011* - Amazon.com =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://toddreynolds.com http://twitter.com/digifiddler http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://facebook.com/toddreynolds http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds need me right away? Call or text me at 917.576.6166 --f46d04308af0ecba0604be97943f Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Indeed, I'm with you on that side too, Ricky= . Lovefest all around.=A0

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Ricky Graham <ric= kygrahammusic@gmail.com> wrote:
Fair enough, Todd. Just trying to provide a = different perspective is
all. It is not as bad as it seems ;)

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 5:18 PM, todd reynolds <toddreyn@gmail.com> wrote:
> IF there is dung being flung... (and truly I've found value in qui= te a
> number of comments, dung OR mung)...
>
> Perhaps it's because Matthias, one of the sweetest among us, made = the simple
> semantic choice to say, "guys, what do you think of this?" = =A0Perhaps just a
> bit too open of a question. =A0Everybody seemed to pile on quickly wit= h the
> voice of his/her own criticism.
>
> To Matthias, =A0I've been waiting to really hear what you yourself= thought
> about this, because I always value hearing your voice in the mix. Perh= aps I
> missed it in the thread already though.
>
> Cheers to all of you, each one of whom I appreciate.
>
> T.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Ricky Graham <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Well done, Chaz. It would not do any of you any harm to take the >> positives away from this video, beyond your own aesthetic. It
>> currently provides a platform, albeit temporary, to present the >> fundamental idea behind looping audio in real-time. Who cares if h= e
>> wears glasses in-doors. =A0The fact is, the video presents a music= al
>> concept that supposedly this list is invested in, lots of people a= re
>> watching it and it is seemingly bringing joy into peoples lives. I=
>> suppose it all comes down to what you consider meaningful to you, = the
>> individual. If you find it meaningful to adopt a cynical point of = view
>> and bash other peoples creativity, whether it is pop or otherwise,=
>> then fine. I think Matthias was looking for some constructive feed= back
>> but instead this thread has descended into dung.
>>
>
>
> --
>
>
>




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=95 The Best Classical Music of=A0the= Year, 2011 - Amazon.com

=95=A0Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now avail= able wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however!=A0=

need me right away? =A0Call or text me at 917.576.6166



--f46d04308af0ecba0604be97943f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 26 16:46:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F964183461; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:46:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=J0zfH06+o6adhMfSNLr3vthw+Ks3EpbHkrGuaZq/uiE=; b=lqyEHnIE6/tcvPnu8wWkJUlcZ3QGaPCidoYExHxjQ9+g14epwuqrI7ocP1iamdKIjG BPJKTnz0dC3xtyHU2Lloyw830o7/iw5tDAptr2ztnfbHX609eI8GG4Y/9VEmTL11tVz5 C0s+ePgQ5ZN5I7ht6RnFIsERG0upu/PgNFr+kCo7dgNNl00AwefnldkfobgZJv5D9WU0 +V4RhQUfibqnv1hBVomAfPBQvlHv6ZWQtwwXMb1nW88Hmfmj/gNfF2TBwsk22dZ81drm GH4FOla4oIPr3C8phiiMSsYvBlDPl3ZmMMO+N9gID9+tEbCNbh3Rkibrklw8NQNDjEQN fLfQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:46:08 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <2FS2t.A.ThF.RvXmPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:46:10 +0000 (UTC) Congrats of the most recent disc, Todd. Nice bit of recognition on Amazon there. On that note.. Re: thread; All I am saying is that perhaps if the list were to embrace the approaches of others albeit requiring nominal musicianship, then "live looping" as an idiom and this community at large may be ideally placed to receive the recognition it also deserves. Who knows, it may even increase its membership one-hundred-fold. Food for thought. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 5:35 PM, todd reynolds wrote: > Indeed, I'm with you on that side too, Ricky. Lovefest all around. > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Ricky Graham > wrote: >> >> Fair enough, Todd. Just trying to provide a different perspective is >> all. It is not as bad as it seems ;) >> >> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 5:18 PM, todd reynolds wrot= e: >> > IF there is dung being flung... (and truly I've found value in quite a >> > number of comments, dung OR mung)... >> > >> > Perhaps it's because Matthias, one of the sweetest among us, made the >> > simple >> > semantic choice to say, "guys, what do you think of this?" =A0Perhaps = just >> > a >> > bit too open of a question. =A0Everybody seemed to pile on quickly wit= h >> > the >> > voice of his/her own criticism. >> > >> > To Matthias, =A0I've been waiting to really hear what you yourself tho= ught >> > about this, because I always value hearing your voice in the mix. >> > Perhaps I >> > missed it in the thread already though. >> > >> > Cheers to all of you, each one of whom I appreciate. >> > >> > T. >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Ricky Graham >> > >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Well done, Chaz. It would not do any of you any harm to take the >> >> positives away from this video, beyond your own aesthetic. It >> >> currently provides a platform, albeit temporary, to present the >> >> fundamental idea behind looping audio in real-time. Who cares if he >> >> wears glasses in-doors. =A0The fact is, the video presents a musical >> >> concept that supposedly this list is invested in, lots of people are >> >> watching it and it is seemingly bringing joy into peoples lives. I >> >> suppose it all comes down to what you consider meaningful to you, the >> >> individual. If you find it meaningful to adopt a cynical point of vie= w >> >> and bash other peoples creativity, whether it is pop or otherwise, >> >> then fine. I think Matthias was looking for some constructive feedbac= k >> >> but instead this thread has descended into dung. >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > -- > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =95 The Best Classical Music of=A0the Year, 2011 - Amazon.com > > =95=A0Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wherev= er > music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > http://toddreynolds.com > http://twitter.com/digifiddler > http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic > http://blog.toddreynolds.com > http://facebook.com/toddreynolds > http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds > > need me right away? =A0Call or text me at 917.576.6166 > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 26 16:47:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 626C1183462; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:47:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Looper's Delight misconception Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:47:33 +0200 Message-ID: <008201cd23cc$473b94c0$d5b2be40$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0083_01CD23DD.0AC464C0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0jxtLBIIEbgMaGS+iEXkl+j0JVxgABOtnA Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:47:43 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01CD23DD.0AC464C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Maintaining a website for a community as large as this is, is a task = that no-one (?) likes to do pro bono.=20 that was not my point Petri - we had no chance because the LD website is = kept close by Kim and Violet. Some of us would have loved to help = reanimate and maintain it. Because we weren't allowed to, we have now = built a completely new complex livelooping website (under a different = address) that is close to being released. =20 -Michael =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01CD23DD.0AC464C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> = Maintaining = a website for a community as large as this is, is a task that no-one (?) = likes to do pro bono.

that = was not my point Petri - we had no chance because the LD website is kept = close by Kim and Violet. Some of us would have loved to help reanimate = and maintain it. Because we weren't allowed to, we have now built a = completely new complex livelooping website = (under a different address) that is close to being = released.

 

-Michael<= /p>

 

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0083_01CD23DD.0AC464C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 26 16:50:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE8CB183460; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:50:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=gngk+QX5PhBjATciwBuWFJLTR6cQRC7dI3LzEdP/2n4=; b=Z/ScaVm1JPfTK6ROGKagSE9HBvoFz6xPUOxGe7z2MZbSdbNELYDEY0XTLZxRn9GR1r CtL1tBbfGvc/iG4ITRV2GMh3wwFb3+o3q6N2eYuQhpLiJdrDlQtoupMXHH90wljigmVy 8ynzXKnacLEVSoUDHdClYJ6aOx/GSBa584n1EglvW/h+1ESKv8AeFrHame4NJ1Bad4HI aT0Y/rMefML78q7ErGSWzLoGAWD6eBI0y6vdWadFhpzzct1HGfoMgeVEhCYnoHEKsPGR kPxJNUDaRUglJ1qYxNc3J/FL6WBALiOW1s5DNCWbKQQv1aFvw15vlrb9EFgsmDGOuOQc ECtA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: todd reynolds Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:49:28 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec5485810d9892a04be97c7e8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:50:10 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec5485810d9892a04be97c7e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 damn, left my sig on there... my bad, apologies to all. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Congrats of the most recent disc, Todd. Nice bit of recognition on > Amazon there. On that note.. > > Re: thread; All I am saying is that perhaps if the list were to > embrace the approaches of others albeit requiring nominal > musicianship, then "live looping" as an idiom and this community at > large may be ideally placed to receive the recognition it also > deserves. Who knows, it may even increase its membership > one-hundred-fold. Food for thought. > > > --bcaec5485810d9892a04be97c7e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
damn, left my sig on there... my bad, =A0apologi= es to all.=A0

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:= 46 PM, Ricky Graham <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com> wr= ote:
Congrats of the most recent disc, Todd. Nice= bit of recognition on
Amazon there. On that note..

Re: thread; All I am saying is that perhaps if the list were to
embrace the approaches of others albeit requiring nominal
musicianship, then "live looping" as an idiom and this community = at
large may be ideally placed to receive the recognition it also
deserves. Who knows, it may even increase its membership
one-hundred-fold. Food for thought.



=

--bcaec5485810d9892a04be97c7e8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 26 16:51:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14732183460; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:51:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hzKYF63elzsqPFMu69zjjl6eyETj2/hvPtKvpBYWqS0=; b=cCF4H6u7b5gNW5+0KSrRAz7pHNuJ4jS6hgIw8VR7l5KLTq5bCiEqr1Iipk+nNW4cC6 x+PLZ1utqHKYOIoUM9ru6srtAgweW8EBxFrLtO/+389Z/X3flguqQUdGhLvMGIbUK+z+ CWfEtxSP/FnT6JAqU9p1nzD/639Ex6qoEPrwB02/5aiMnIhkn0Vxu0g0Wy2iLa671O+r Z5O8Ye/+ocaHcLkqxg01ixmdcpcdF0BL0CwnbqkBhmxUHO/aIqnE0D7hBl7k8OJpG+0X +SKiUdeJDs8aYyh2oiXntYdW3FKKzMiRa2HJ38TmJQ6YDxgR7FryUjxm6FiN1c7RwIJu hUpg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:51:29 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:51:30 +0000 (UTC) Don't apologise. Currently enjoying... :) On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 5:49 PM, todd reynolds wrote: > damn, left my sig on there... my bad, =A0apologies to all. > > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Ricky Graham > wrote: >> >> Congrats of the most recent disc, Todd. Nice bit of recognition on >> Amazon there. On that note.. >> >> Re: thread; All I am saying is that perhaps if the list were to >> embrace the approaches of others albeit requiring nominal >> musicianship, then "live looping" as an idiom and this community at >> large may be ideally placed to receive the recognition it also >> deserves. Who knows, it may even increase its membership >> one-hundred-fold. Food for thought. >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 26 17:03:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C84D183455; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:03:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=g1ZSp2aJ4sEjqE1Pq9LbEXYONNfYl4JXrF9tnhU+O6o=; b=pcB/Sl3tDRA/5tOq/XR491K9+vj6v/g1cBgxhNkT5zjE0IjVWoko4wgVQfDTOVtazi 90Au+iuOLBe8LsGRB5l5qP+j7ezRQaG0RYeyTs5OW3QZXjNmRLxLLjvYN2cp7kyMXku6 7jBgF4fN6b6d9w/mzqnuf/YoatpoMCVmAwInuijj0szcHFFScnhnGqrQgWDF66wIDZIZ go2TIFUy6spYXTkNNrqSbjAXqzo6UeT6Wsx4NSdT68D2Xr57RUgyFWPlhibtQeOUpnY6 Y/ywr2wVDV85WY1lcq4VG+K7mTC9iiiUmsG4Qr7OtNBiCKjD0YCZNh998NLjAxlkTWeQ xnmg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: todd reynolds Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:03:07 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04308af0a5fa3a04be97f80f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:03:49 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04308af0a5fa3a04be97f80f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 :) On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Don't apologise. Currently enjoying... :) > > --f46d04308af0a5fa3a04be97f80f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
:)

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Ricky Graham <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com> wrote:
Don't apologise. Currently enjoying... :)


--f46d04308af0a5fa3a04be97f80f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 26 17:36:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A988183463; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:36:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=s/zw3NB11hWgfTJkD7mSuZyGwHgBGta+7iN46X2tJiw=; b=0ocuOcEDvafQ1Mfe7X98OEIArK4uZQjmAyF/DANAuEhsbRnBHzVq/nixhnI8TtpjKY 4yzdAM9hqccOQ6q2694BIkAdDkmotIlgcm9CcOxteHxEpH9QQUps8ZvKd+P6xP9CuB7Y id4gYlkiqSD7Opo+Ar8JeI0iopk9Twv4Md4cvp/eixPKBP/2wT9jhUIJkvPve0NnmyUX qpF0omM84aNA5nnulmHQwjJ6ElAfW1ad06f7exc5/1mNlIiKRjRM9sF1Guu4NEfVgczq ivGlzvA+wwAJ+JaXktHtKQUxYWojJUYecTfm5kmw1xh3IbFZjTJK0bTfEZxRCGPnbzko qm1Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20120424222809.13500.42370.levelstar.mail@everest> <004101cd22ae$23af0920$6b0d1b60$@de> <8CEF1D961A41753-1D70-1823@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:36:26 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looper's Delight misconception From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb1f4c462190404be986d78 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:36:27 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8fb1f4c462190404be986d78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Exactly. The San Francisco experimental/improvised music community has a site called bayimproviser.com, which similarly has some elements that are out of date. I think the secret is to keep the number of pages to a minimum - just the number you're willing to keep up to date yourself, or that can be auto-maintained by members. For example, if someone wanted to update loopers-delight.com, the changes I'd suggest are: --Get rid of MOST of the links/menu items from the first page. --Keep "Tools of the Trade", but only if someone can keep it up to date. Let members contribute reviews to gear. --Clear out the Artist Profiles and start again. (Probably only a small percentage are current.) New profiles would have: Artist Name, Instrument(s) (100 character max), description of music (100 character max), location, upcoming shows (see below) and URL. Add some sort of validation that hides the profile if the URL link is no longer active. The idea would be to keep this page clean and easy to navigate, while driving viewers to the artists' own pages. --Allow artists to submit calendar events, but only show events that are happening in the future. (See www.bayimproviser.com/calendar) If an artist has an upcoming gig on their calendar, show that as a link with 1 line of descriptive text on the artist's profile. --Have one link for News/Tips/History. From that link, provide links to the different "important" articles, with dates. Allow members to contribute articles/tips, etc, but sort articles their by date, with most recent at top. --Have one link called "Products" for the T-shirts, Compilation CDs, etc.) Having a big resource is good, but when I land on a site, and see mostly content that's more than 3 years old, it starts feeling musty. Remember that many of the people looking to learn about looping are younger folks, so making an attempt to highlight a larger diversity of "well known" artists - if a kid in high school is checking the site out, and all she sees featured are Caucasian guitarists over the age of 40 and articles about the great things that happened in 1996, there's a good chance she's going to associate looping with being "an old guy thing". Great job on this video page: http://www.livelooping.org/musicians/listeners-port/ and the link on that page to http://www.youtube.com/livelooping --=20 Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > Maintaining a website for a community as large as this is, > is a task that no-one (?) likes to do pro bono. > > We so much want everything served for us on a silver platter, > updated, full of the latest info and so forth, but really forget > that in these kind of communities, somebody ALWAYS has > to do the job of maintaining the technological side of things. > > As so many times in this forum it has said, > when someone wants to do this without getting paid > and just for the love of it, he / she is free to do so. > But as we have noticed, volunteers always disappear in this stage... > > :-) > > _Petri_ > > 2012/4/26 todd reynolds > >> I know, right? >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:35 AM, michael klobuchar w= rote: >> >>> michael sez: >>> >>> but by keeping the site for themselves instead of opening it up, >>> for reasons nobody really understands, the site owners effectively kill= ed it. >>> >>> >>> >>> michael sez:....WHAT ?.....LD is dead?????.....why am i always the last >>> to know? >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> =95 *The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011* - Amazon.com >> >> =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available whereve= r >> music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! >> >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> http://toddreynolds.com >> http://twitter.com/digifiddler >> http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic >> http://blog.toddreynolds.com >> http://facebook.com/toddreynolds >> http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds >> >> need me right away? Call or text me at 917.576.6166 >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Petri > > > --e89a8fb1f4c462190404be986d78 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Exactly. The San Francisco experimental/improvis= ed music community has a site called b= ayimproviser.com, which similarly has some elements that are out of dat= e.

I think the secret is to keep the number of pages to a minimum - just t= he number you're willing to keep up to date yourself, or that can be au= to-maintained by members.

For example, if someone wanted to update = loopers-delight.com, the changes= I'd suggest are:
--Get rid of MOST of the links/menu items from the first page.
--Keep &= quot;Tools of the Trade", but only if someone can keep it up to date. = Let members contribute reviews to gear.
--Clear out the Artist Profiles = and start again. (Probably only a small percentage are current.) New profil= es would have: Artist Name, Instrument(s) (100 character max), description = of music (100 character max), location, upcoming shows (see below) and URL.= Add some sort of validation that hides the profile if the URL link is no l= onger active. The idea would be to keep this page clean and easy to navigat= e, while driving viewers to the artists' own pages.
--Allow artists to submit calendar events, but only show events that are ha= ppening in the future. (See www.bayimproviser.com/calendar) If an artist has an upcoming gig on = their calendar, show that as a link with 1 line of descriptive text on the = artist's profile.
--Have one link for News/Tips/History. From that link, provide links to the= different "important" articles, with dates. Allow members to con= tribute articles/tips, etc, but sort articles their by date, with most rece= nt at top.
--Have one link called "Products" for the T-shirts, Compilation C= Ds, etc.)

Having a big resource is good, but when I land on a site, = and see mostly content that's more than 3 years old, it starts feeling = musty. Remember that many of the people looking to learn about looping are = younger folks, so making an attempt to highlight a larger diversity of &quo= t;well known" artists - if a kid in high school is checking the site o= ut, and all she sees featured are Caucasian guitarists over the age of 40 a= nd articles about the great things that happened in 1996, there's a goo= d chance she's going to associate looping with being "an old guy t= hing". Great job on this video page: http://www.livelooping.org/musicians/listen= ers-port/=A0 and the link on that page to http://www.youtube.com/livelooping


--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
Podcast! http://ribosomema= tt.podomatic.com



On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Pet= ri Lahtinen <kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote:
Maintaining a website for a community as large a= s this is,
is a task that no-one (?) likes to do pro bono.

We so = much want everything served for us on a silver platter,
updated, full of= the latest info and so forth, but really forget
that in these kind of communities, somebody ALWAYS has
to do the job of= maintaining the technological side of things.

As so many times in t= his forum it has said,
when someone wants to do this without getting pa= id
and just for the love of it, he / she is free to do so.
But as we have n= oticed, volunteers always disappear in this stage...

:-)

_Pet= ri_

2012/4/26 tod= d reynolds <toddreyn@gmail.com>
I know, right?


On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:35 AM,= michael klobuchar <nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:
michael sez:
but by keeping th=
e site for themselves instead of opening it up,=20
for reasons nobody really understands, the site owners effectively killed i=
t.


michael sez:....WHAT ?.....LD is dead?????.....why am i always the la= st to know?
=20



= --
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=95 The Best Classical Music= of=A0the Year, 2011 - Amazon.com

=95=A0Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now avail= able wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however!=A0=

need me right away? =A0Call or text me at 917.576.6166






--
Petri





--e89a8fb1f4c462190404be986d78-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 26 17:37:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE329183462; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:37:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=KECRHLOh/rOcqf/tXXn4iBK9nwPhhwldzvhszHMM4gs=; b=Gki/7pgCBWzQyLdUXDWn3tzIDgnPp5xvx/XjFmyUHGrd9WiMCb3KHSH9gJvPnjxHGu UfUG/HqWptnkrrFVV5EM+6mPISwRy4OSIZvOVAMTpJ6Ybxg4ahIRMHMGSueFhQ0bo+Mm G7IrZNdqdHwgTSsJh3Ug1R3GOGlUmleXq78tuH/TmNvs1Kk5FDZX7uvF0m0Ji91KbGsQ nRyME4Pl7rY7iihDmbyTLku6lEKLwji0POnQGhBgK8f/UHtFpUq7tEVsR/Jn6BtCeUC+ w10fp2E0QgdOXwFcGfvAWQZM77zItX0jXkJQuEvsCfxtUU47nQCbby4oB4yxBWNH0oDF zbyg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <008201cd23cc$473b94c0$d5b2be40$@de> References: <008201cd23cc$473b94c0$d5b2be40$@de> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:37:47 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looper's Delight misconception From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb205ca3b7ba604be987273 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:37:48 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8fb205ca3b7ba604be987273 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Oops- I misspoke. I didn't mean to imply that people don't "want to" update loopers-delight.com. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > > Maintaining a website for a community as large as this is, is a task > that no-one (?) likes to do pro bono. **** > > that was not my point Petri - we had no chance because the LD website is > kept close by Kim and Violet. Some of us would have loved to help reanimate > and maintain it. Because we weren't allowed to, we have now built a > completely new complex livelooping website (under a different address) > that is close to being released.**** > > ** ** > > -Michael**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com --e89a8fb205ca3b7ba604be987273 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Oops- I misspoke. I didn't mean to imply tha= t people don't "want to" update loopers-delight.com.

On Thu= , Apr 26, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:=

> Maintaining a website for= a community as large as this is, is a task that no-one (?) likes to do pro= bono.

that= was not my point Petri - we had no chance because the LD website is kept c= lose by Kim and Violet. Some of us would have loved to help reanimate and m= aintain it. Because we weren't allowed to, we have now built a complete= ly new complex livelooping website (under a different address)= that is close to being released.

=A0

-Michael

=

=A0=

=A0=

=A0

=A0




--
= Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusi= c.com
Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com

--e89a8fb205ca3b7ba604be987273-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 26 17:40:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94509183466; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:40:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1592463500==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120426174031.3956.96142.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:40:32 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: Looper's Delight misconception Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:40:38 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============1592463500== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As=20far=20as=20profiles,=20I=20think=20each=20musician=20should=20update= =20their=20own=20profile.=20After=20all,=20it=20is=20the=20 musician=20that=20set=20up=20the=20profile;=20musicians=20that=20no=20longe= r=20have=20valid=20links=20should=20be=20emailed,=20or=20people=20 should=20attempt.=20Most=20give=20an=20email=20address.=20I=20mean,=20back= =20in=20February,=20I=20set=20up=20a=20 LD=20profile,=20proving=20how=20each=20musician=20can=20update=20their=20ow= n. Tyler=20Z On=20Thu,=2026=20Apr=202012=2010:36:26=20-0700,=20Matt=20Davignon=20wrote: >Exactly.=20The=20San=20Francisco=20experimental/improvised=20music=20commu= nity=20has=20a=20site=20 >called=20bayimproviser.com,=20which=20similarly=20has=20some=20elements=20= that=20are=20out=20of=20 >date.=20 >I=20think=20the=20secret=20is=20to=20keep=20the=20number=20of=20pages=20to= =20a=20minimum=20-=20just=20the=20 >number=20you're=20willing=20to=20keep=20up=20to=20date=20yourself,=20or=20= that=20can=20be=20 >auto-maintained=20by=20members.=20 >For=20example,=20if=20someone=20wanted=20to=20update=20loopers-delight.com= ,=20the=20changes=20I'd=20 >suggest=20are:=20 >--Get=20rid=20of=20MOST=20of=20the=20links/menu=20items=20from=20the=20fir= st=20page.=20 >--Keep=20"Tools=20of=20the=20Trade",=20but=20only=20if=20someone=20can=20k= eep=20it=20up=20to=20date.=20Let=20 >members=20contribute=20reviews=20to=20gear. >--Clear=20out=20the=20Artist=20Profiles=20and=20start=20again.=20(Probably= =20only=20a=20small=20 >percentage=20are=20current.)=20New=20profiles=20would=20have:=20Artist=20N= ame,=20Instrument(s)=20 >(100=20character=20max),=20description=20of=20music=20(100=20character=20m= ax),=20location,=20 >upcoming=20shows=20(see=20below)=20and=20URL.=20Add=20some=20sort=20of=20v= alidation=20that=20hides=20the=20 >profile=20if=20the=20URL=20link=20is=20no=20longer=20active.=20The=20idea= =20would=20be=20to=20keep=20this=20 >page=20clean=20and=20easy=20to=20navigate,=20while=20driving=20viewers=20t= o=20the=20artists'=20own=20 >pages. >--Allow=20artists=20to=20submit=20calendar=20events,=20but=20only=20show= =20events=20that=20are=20 >happening=20in=20the=20future.=20(See=20www.bayimproviser.com/calendar)=20= If=20an=20artist=20has=20 >an=20upcoming=20gig=20on=20their=20calendar,=20show=20that=20as=20a=20link= =20with=201=20line=20of=20 >descriptive=20text=20on=20the=20artist's=20profile. >--Have=20one=20link=20for=20News/Tips/History.=20From=20that=20link,=20pro= vide=20links=20to=20the=20 >different=20"important"=20articles,=20with=20dates.=20Allow=20members=20to= =20contribute=20 >articles/tips,=20etc,=20but=20sort=20articles=20their=20by=20date,=20with= =20most=20recent=20at=20top.=20 >--Have=20one=20link=20called=20"Products"=20for=20the=20T-shirts,=20Compil= ation=20CDs,=20etc.) >Having=20a=20big=20resource=20is=20good,=20but=20when=20I=20land=20on=20a= =20site,=20and=20see=20mostly=20 >content=20that's=20more=20than=203=20years=20old,=20it=20starts=20feeling= =20musty.=20Remember=20that=20 >many=20of=20the=20people=20looking=20to=20learn=20about=20looping=20are=20= younger=20folks,=20so=20making=20 >an=20attempt=20to=20highlight=20a=20larger=20diversity=20of=20"well=20know= n"=20artists=20-=20if=20a=20kid=20 >in=20high=20school=20is=20checking=20the=20site=20out,=20and=20all=20she= =20sees=20featured=20are=20 >Caucasian=20guitarists=20over=20the=20age=20of=2040=20and=20articles=20abo= ut=20the=20great=20things=20 >that=20happened=20in=201996,=20there's=20a=20good=20chance=20she's=20going= =20to=20associate=20looping=20 >with=20being=20"an=20old=20guy=20thing".=20Great=20job=20on=20this=20video= =20page:=20 >http://www.livelooping.org/musicians/listeners-port/=20=20and=20the=20link= =20on=20that=20page=20 >to=20http://www.youtube.com/livelooping >--=20 >Matt=20Davignon >mattdavignon@gmail.com >www.ribosomemusic.com >Podcast!=20http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com >On=20Thu,=20Apr=2026,=202012=20at=209:08=20AM,=20Petri=20Lahtinen=20=20 >wrote: >Maintaining=20a=20website=20for=20a=20community=20as=20large=20as=20this= =20is, >is=20a=20task=20that=20no-one=20(?)=20likes=20to=20do=20pro=20bono. >We=20so=20much=20want=20everything=20served=20for=20us=20on=20a=20silver= =20platter, >updated,=20full=20of=20the=20latest=20info=20and=20so=20forth,=20but=20rea= lly=20forget >that=20in=20these=20kind=20of=20communities,=20somebody=20ALWAYS=20has=20 >to=20do=20the=20job=20of=20maintaining=20the=20technological=20side=20of= =20things. >As=20so=20many=20times=20in=20this=20forum=20it=20has=20said,=20 >when=20someone=20wants=20to=20do=20this=20without=20getting=20paid >and=20just=20for=20the=20love=20of=20it,=20he=20/=20she=20is=20free=20to= =20do=20so. >But=20as=20we=20have=20noticed,=20volunteers=20always=20disappear=20in=20t= his=20stage... >:-) >_Petri_=20 >2012/4/26=20todd=20reynolds=20 >I=20know,=20right? >On=20Thu,=20Apr=2026,=202012=20at=2011:35=20AM,=20michael=20klobuchar=20=20wrote: >michael=20sez: >but=20by=20keeping=20the=20site=20for=20themselves=20instead=20of=20openin= g=20it=20up,=20=20for=20reasons=20 >nobody=20really=20understands,=20the=20site=20owners=20effectively=20kille= d=20it.=20 >michael=20sez:....WHAT=20?.....LD=20is=20dead?????.....why=20am=20i=20alwa= ys=20the=20last=20to=20know? >--=20 >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >The=20Best=20Classical=20Music=20ofthe=20Year,=202011=20-=20Amazon.com >Outerborough,=20Todd=20Reynolds'=20solo=20double=20CD=20is=20now=20availab= le=20wherever=20music=20is=20 >sold.=20Here's=20a=20direct=20link=20to=20Amazon,=20however! >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >http://toddreynolds.com >http://twitter.com/digifiddler >http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic >http://blog.toddreynolds.com >http://facebook.com/toddreynolds >http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds >need=20me=20right=20away?=20Call=20or=20text=20me=20at=20917.576.6166 >--=20 >Petri=20 --===============1592463500==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 26 17:53:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46619183462; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:53:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=h75b4UJp7cVfl47ckWM/rUyW29Qzcwk6ilRkIhbae6s=; b=lNsQ7P/soXxxZSxh3HtewDwEbBc1xfj5Y8j8TyPH0PG7XIUIN0EcPmcAferLSDyvO2 UqOWgoGWzmE+cSXnwFsn4Hu43QRMA4DWbkhJCl133JEmBQezl10Qkv6n844GUDzcNiYL yGnfHqD8FFLicdT4lKnok2uFkL9uGugTqXP1PyprpOEnYneqWmq3sSSVXp+ShJ4bUkMv yqZeZIte0uS2MM5klJrbzIeTYIN505scjTp1r00UnIYa4upNZNTbMvAllPCJKkd62EZn 8ytXpte2/2UvXbb0/kRz/HIpRV3eg4DvLabngOaAC+T3B3laAL700a8zfcCDoIsZZuIF aRsg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20120424222809.13500.42370.levelstar.mail@everest> <004101cd22ae$23af0920$6b0d1b60$@de> <8CEF1D961A41753-1D70-1823@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:53:22 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looper's Delight misconception From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54a3df4fd78bd04be98a99d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:53:23 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec54a3df4fd78bd04be98a99d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "musty" I resemble that remark! :) Jeff On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Matt Davignon wrot= e: > > Having a big resource is good, but when I land on a site, and see mostly > content that's more than 3 years old, it starts feeling musty. > > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > > > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Petri Lahtinen < > kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Maintaining a website for a community as large as this is, >> is a task that no-one (?) likes to do pro bono. >> >> We so much want everything served for us on a silver platter, >> updated, full of the latest info and so forth, but really forget >> that in these kind of communities, somebody ALWAYS has >> to do the job of maintaining the technological side of things. >> >> As so many times in this forum it has said, >> when someone wants to do this without getting paid >> and just for the love of it, he / she is free to do so. >> But as we have noticed, volunteers always disappear in this stage... >> >> :-) >> >> _Petri_ >> >> 2012/4/26 todd reynolds >> >>> I know, right? >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:35 AM, michael klobuchar = wrote: >>> >>>> michael sez: >>>> >>>> but by keeping the site for themselves instead of opening it up, >>>> for reasons nobody really understands, the site owners effectively kil= led it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> michael sez:....WHAT ?.....LD is dead?????.....why am i always the las= t >>>> to know? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> =95 *The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011* - Amazon.com >>> >>> =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wherev= er >>> music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! >>> >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D >>> http://toddreynolds.com >>> http://twitter.com/digifiddler >>> http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic >>> http://blog.toddreynolds.com >>> http://facebook.com/toddreynolds >>> http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds >>> >>> need me right away? Call or text me at 917.576.6166 >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Petri >> >> >> > > > --bcaec54a3df4fd78bd04be98a99d Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"musty"

=A0I resemble that rema= rk! :)

Jeff


On Thu, Apr 26, 20= 12 at 1:36 PM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com> w= rote:

Having a big = resource is good, but when I land on a site, and see mostly content that= 9;s more than 3 years old, it starts feeling musty.


--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
Podcast! http://ribosomema= tt.podomatic.com



On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Pet= ri Lahtinen <kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote:
Maintaining a website for a community as large a= s this is,
is a task that no-one (?) likes to do pro bono.

We so = much want everything served for us on a silver platter,
updated, full of= the latest info and so forth, but really forget
that in these kind of communities, somebody ALWAYS has
to do the job of= maintaining the technological side of things.

As so many times in t= his forum it has said,
when someone wants to do this without getting pa= id
and just for the love of it, he / she is free to do so.
But as we have n= oticed, volunteers always disappear in this stage...

:-)

_Pet= ri_

2012/4/26 todd reynolds <toddreyn@gmail.com>
I know, right?


On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:35 AM,= michael klobuchar <nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:
michael sez:
but by keeping th=
e site for themselves instead of opening it up,=20
for reasons nobody really understands, the site owners effectively killed i=
t.


michael sez:....WHAT ?.....LD is dead?????.....why am i always the la= st to know?
=20



= --
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=95 The Best Classical Music= of=A0the Year, 2011 - Amazon.com

=95=A0Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now avail= able wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however!=A0=

need me right away? =A0Call or text me at 917.576.6166






--
Petri






--bcaec54a3df4fd78bd04be98a99d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 26 18:15:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55D81183464; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:15:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=dVF4kvaRcfVDGfd7QJFrSOr+SPXvCtzfoKoLeCnIuzc=; b=Pb912TAuWGOSMKNh2Sj8h2N96Wg+dyfsPaJE1PLrO1557AP+33/hahrnvIq7A+sQds FXSRM1XmFAKo6QKlmzyvLr2wLTD093cHxLP74fiK9KGU/XqNv1pwlUXqHdWH+WGyR21q XRGWcsxh72EfliXgkfcSOXaTiqQ6/2mRyGiPQGqdEV5+PLsoPj5lk1q0WBh1fSf/cxV2 SdHHPrtjygJJp+cnMVpZMR04Kq+gtYHIg5kas7Rr/4l5HNl4ZqIIXJuThXcfowJIY37R CeUg1USoy0I9wj6OrEVZutrH8w/doKqsbc9dsb7Y5y5MU++uwa0es0/c7LwjzjQXnCX/ 1J9w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20120424222809.13500.42370.levelstar.mail@everest> <004101cd22ae$23af0920$6b0d1b60$@de> <8CEF1D961A41753-1D70-1823@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:15:46 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looper's Delight misconception From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb1f4c409c81604be98fa1c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:15:47 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8fb1f4c409c81604be98fa1c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Speaking of which, I really should switch out all those 3 year old mp3s on my own website. :) Sorry - about the artist profile thing. I tend to think a bit hard-assedly because on bayimproviser.com, about 2/3 of the venues have either closed or aren't booking improvised/experimental music anymore. Probably about 40% of the artists on the artists page aren't active anymore, or have moved out of the area. I'm totally guilty on my LD artists page. It still says I'm 25, and has links to my mp3.com page. Ah, to be 25 again! I wouldn't even know how to log in again to update it, and frankly, I expect that people looking for my artist information will find it on my own website. But, and update to loopers-delight.com isn't in the works. That's why some of the members of this list built livelooping.com instead. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: > "musty" > > I resemble that remark! :) > > Jeff > > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > >> >> Having a big resource is good, but when I land on a site, and see mostly >> content that's more than 3 years old, it starts feeling musty. >> >> >> -- >> Matt Davignon >> mattdavignon@gmail.com >> www.ribosomemusic.com >> Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com >> >> --e89a8fb1f4c409c81604be98fa1c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Speaking of which, I really should switch out al= l those 3 year old mp3s on my own website. :)

Sorry - about the arti= st profile thing. I tend to think a bit hard-assedly because on bayimproviser.com, about 2/3 of the venues ha= ve either closed or aren't booking improvised/experimental music anymor= e. Probably about 40% of the artists on the artists page aren't active = anymore, or have moved out of the area.

I'm totally guilty on my LD artists page. It still says I'm 25,= and has links to my mp3.com page. Ah, to be= 25 again! I wouldn't even know how to log in again to update it, and f= rankly, I expect that people looking for my artist information will find it= on my own website.

But, and update to loopers-delig= ht.com isn't in the works. That's why some of the members of th= is list built livelooping.com instea= d.

--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
Podcast! http://ribosomematt.p= odomatic.com


On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Jeff D= uke <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
"musty"

=A0I resemble that rema= rk! :)

Jeff

On Thu, Apr 26= , 2012 at 1:36 PM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:

Having a big resource is good, but when I land on a site, and s= ee mostly content that's more than 3 years old, it starts feeling musty= .




--e89a8fb1f4c409c81604be98fa1c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 26 19:01:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FEB7183463; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:01:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rxsURZJWWR30ghfsPXSATWd7aeSsDqAgBvq6pBdrKQU=; b=fwTHpA5fZ1m+1vZC8tBeFXyZhC4w26SwFOCkseSHHUKoXm1+qdMl4KDbwoe574zUEF uxQRjwnaic/Giu56VDKuZl6F1m4EGTtE4JWLg7UBT6FRoTvZsu8Zm+HSwDKSR+M3T7hB 1SwW2nOAdg6Z0CgVuwkoYXikqwt/ITKki1SO6981xxGRF8Q6PbDxzqg4zJP6zDMc+rVV YC3E4KwJwPYyX59FGyUsGjk3gEB18xsI5wdwdFC7aEEmIRl73vtnOhBcs+UfqijObDgx rLtk4m4pkQzS7zM1VRSySjHRWJBiNUeD2Gv5Gn7z73sxCNWv9J2tF5y+4gtn+MwenO73 X00w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:01:30 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:01:32 +0000 (UTC) Hi Paul, I am not trying to provoke, merely trying to present a different point of view. Whether you like the video or not, it could prove useful as a means to promote an approach to creating music that we on this list share. That is all. You're certainly entitled to your own opinion (which you have expressed explicitly on a multitude of levels), I am sure it is well suited to you. Best wishes, Ricky On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Paul Richards wrote: > I'm entitled to my opinion just like you and your=A0cronies at LD. That v= ideo > SUCKED bigtime. What a prententious p.o.s. I couldn't get to the end , ev= en. > Creativity, my ass. It's just an example of marginally-talented weenies > saying "Look at me". > > From: Ricky Graham > > To: Paul Richards > Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:13 PM > > Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping > > Well done, Chaz. It would not do any of you any harm to take the > positives away from this video, beyond your own aesthetic. It > currently provides a platform, albeit temporary, to present the > fundamental idea behind looping audio in real-time. Who cares if he > wears glasses in-doors.=A0 The fact is, the video presents a musical > concept that supposedly this list is invested in, lots of people are > watching it and it is seemingly bringing joy into peoples lives. I > suppose it all comes down to what you consider meaningful to you, the > individual. If you find it meaningful to adopt a cynical point of view > and bash other peoples creativity, whether it is pop or otherwise, > then fine. I think Matthias was looking for some constructive feedback > but instead this thread has descended into dung. > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Paul Richards > wrote: >> Well, again, the "herd instinct" at work doesn't mean anything. Every >> single >> day I see a video posted on Yahoo with a caption that reads "xxx video >> goes >> viral". So what!? If 1,000,000 idiots do something, does that make it >> something that I want to do (e.g. watching Jackass movies, piercing my >> testicles, et al)? >> >> I'm not specifically referring to music - just the tendency of the herd = to >> follow whatever starts being blitzed to the public via TV, radio & print= . >> >> >> >> From: Mark Hamburg >> To: Paul Richards >> Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:22 AM >> >> Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping >> >> Harshly put (not enough coffee yet)... >> >> That depends on whether you are interested in indulgent self-exploration >> or >> in entertaining the audience. >> >> Both are valid. Just don't be surprised if the audience is more interest= ed >> in paying for =97 or listening to for that matter =97 the latter. >> >> My music tends more toward the former and while I greatly appreciate it >> when >> it clicks with people, I don't feel that something is out of whack if mo= st >> people put their attention elsewhere. >> >> Mark >> >> On Apr 25, 2012, at 3:43 PM, Paul Richards wrote: >> >> I think 14 million people bought "Beanie Babies". And tens of thousands = of >> people show up at mall shoe stores to battle over some new Michael Jorda= n >> sneaker. Millions more snarf the garbage that McDonalds sells. Numbers >> don't >> mean shit, man. >> >> From: chaz worm >> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 5:40 PM >> Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping >> >> Hey, what guitar mystery man does is essentially "pop looping". Of cours= e >> true "looping afficianados" would not like it. >> But it's a cool little video. >> It's looping for the masses. That's why none of y'all have a 3million hi= t >> video. >> >> Good for him. >> >> Chaz >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:02 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:18 PM, chaz worm >>> wrote: >>>> I think it's pretty cool anytime more people can get a glimpse into a >>>> vague semblance of what I do >>> >>> You too running in houses with shades? Cool! >>> >>> Per ;-)) >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 00:24:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 468EF18345E; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 00:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=pWzqtV/yDjdTao1J9FxXl++SNn0DAIwdVAzczHRaCfM=; b=fbfmrMoX9Ln4UFbOZEH+p/VpSddJabzC4w7z4Xn2pb2wGBZjjyBv28ad342PnGHLLF SrLyDMTgOCXWD/dVB77njkk1XM3wq23TPKMat64pVr23HjrnMuoHsz+9DXJqzjhFNYOo 25pw2piq15rN/I43WaR7AJnPy8ZXa9kA1VF9RbSmdHzCVepFpBLFf+38MArw/W7Rf8Ws f/QUM3UDaiKq4WOdlkMgh7N45q6JyekU/4RF0QDuix3BPzZW1qI5FboiJ3gGd+N9ECZg EWsld3KqNxyqrUxTLSs2qo5mNaA7/DKoMDIFpjzGwbdeWI2BBo+Rhr4OTh9NQQM8nH6s bWIA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <20120424222809.13500.42370.levelstar.mail@everest> <004101cd22ae$23af0920$6b0d1b60$@de> <8CEF1D961A41753-1D70-1823@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 02:24:23 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: t7jWLivakGLOomZ_PoUcAcv-omI Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looper's Delight misconception To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54c546e8754ae04be9e2101 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 00:24:45 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec54c546e8754ae04be9e2101 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I spose that a joke Matt...--- theres only a parking site at livelooping.com Seriously, what do people want there to be at LD.com???... cos IMNSHO we could just have a one page banner.. telling how to subscribe... who needs all this "tools of the trade?" or Artist profiles??? Really we all just google it or you tube it or Facebook it now anyway right?.. does a bunch of pages do anything at all to contributing to a community? LD is and has always been about the mailing list, now THATS where it could do with some updates... not some dull site thats basically just showing ads. 1. LD should stay as it is (for folks what like it this way) 2. LD should be accessible from a web front end, that saves threads like forum threads. 3. LD mailing list should accept rich media, inline youtube links and images... 4. website...??? oh just kill it... or leave it there in memory of Kim... So.. no ones gonna do that are they so lets just leave it... Violet doesnt NEED to do anything to the site, or the mailing list... shes doing it just fine... why does everything have to be so fucking up to date... I remember Loopers Delight when it was made of wood! If you wanna do a forum, there is one!!! @ livelooping.org, theres a facebook group theres a youtube channel... jeesus... what more do you all want!! honestly... why does anyone care that its a movement or a genre??? its not.. its a teensy weensy bit of technology that does something cool... I wonder if those people on PhasersDelight.com have so much anguish? M. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > Speaking of which, I really should switch out all those 3 year old mp3s on > my own website. :) > > Sorry - about the artist profile thing. I tend to think a bit hard-assedly > because on bayimproviser.com, about 2/3 of the venues have either closed > or aren't booking improvised/experimental music anymore. Probably about 40% > of the artists on the artists page aren't active anymore, or have moved out > of the area. > > I'm totally guilty on my LD artists page. It still says I'm 25, and has > links to my mp3.com page. Ah, to be 25 again! I wouldn't even know how to > log in again to update it, and frankly, I expect that people looking for my > artist information will find it on my own website. > > But, and update to loopers-delight.com isn't in the works. That's why > some of the members of this list built livelooping.com instead. > > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: > >> "musty" >> >> I resemble that remark! :) >> >> Jeff >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: >> >>> >>> Having a big resource is good, but when I land on a site, and see mostly >>> content that's more than 3 years old, it starts feeling musty. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Matt Davignon >>> mattdavignon@gmail.com >>> www.ribosomemusic.com >>> Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com >>> >>> > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --bcaec54c546e8754ae04be9e2101 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I spose that a joke Matt...--- theres only a par= king site at livelooping.com

= Seriously, what do people want there to be at LD.com???... cos IMNSHO we co= uld just have a one page banner.. telling how to subscribe... who needs all= this "tools of the trade?" or Artist profiles??? Really we all j= ust google it or you tube it or Facebook it now anyway right?.. does a bunc= h of pages do anything at all to contributing to a community?

LD is and has always been about the mailing list, now THATS where it co= uld do with some updates... not some dull site thats basically just showing= ads.

1. LD should stay as it is (for folks what like it this way) 2. LD should be accessible from a web front end, that saves threads like fo= rum threads.
3. LD mailing list should accept rich media, inline youtube= links and images...
4. website...??? oh just kill it... or leave it the= re in memory of Kim...

So.. no ones gonna do that are they so lets just leave it...

Vio= let doesnt NEED to do anything to the site, or the mailing list... shes doi= ng it just fine... why does everything have to be so fucking up to date... =
I remember Loopers Delight when it was made of wood!

If you wanna do= a forum, there is one!!! @ livelooping.= org, theres a facebook group theres a youtube channel... jeesus... what= more do you all want!!

honestly... why does anyone care that its a movement or a genre??? its = not.. its a teensy weensy bit of technology that does something cool... I wonder if those people on PhasersDelight.com have so much anguish?

M.







On Thu, Ap= r 26, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
Speaking of which= , I really should switch out all those 3 year old mp3s on my own website. := )

Sorry - about the artist profile thing. I tend to think a bit hard-asse= dly because on bayim= proviser.com, about 2/3 of the venues have either closed or aren't = booking improvised/experimental music anymore. Probably about 40% of the ar= tists on the artists page aren't active anymore, or have moved out of t= he area.

I'm totally guilty on my LD artists page. It still says I'm 25,= and has links to my mp3.com page. Ah, to be 25 again! I wouldn't even know how to log in again t= o update it, and frankly, I expect that people looking for my artist inform= ation will find it on my own website.

But, and update to loopers-delight.com isn't in the works. That's why some of= the members of this list built livelooping.com instead.


--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
Podcast! http://ribosomematt.p= odomatic.com


On Thu, Apr 26, = 2012 at 10:53 AM, Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
"musty"

=A0I resemble that rema= rk! :)

Jeff


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On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Matt Davign= on <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:

Ha= ving a big resource is good, but when I land on a site, and see mostly cont= ent that's more than 3 years old, it starts feeling musty.







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Mark Francom= be
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
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http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
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--bcaec54c546e8754ae04be9e2101-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 00:34:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5E41183464; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 00:34:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Zx+r0TdoxQ61rPEZ0BwHpUYKSwGE4trK0gFitv3gDfk=; b=AGOcZn8fWjc0aWaR4UZeyLddMpylQ7Q8ggYr4CIOBoS58mvc++0vs0HdCaN3kCzYVK cJ6YNAjctEQnap4ZzYDeZas0EgV1b4J7xrwRqtC6OrHPEzzTbLJ7tRhQoMVI+IB8jRL3 GDHvebJe/Hny4hv3QZxWdZY565viTn2yA9ROISGkH0pdkZkYuyNDasNJcxydOtNBk7Xg jEk7R04fC3QIPZxgeKz1Te8kdqc6ag9i4+H+HHKN7B9TFeZiSnWEHMPD9G8ZaLGM2eeC uxO9DcBD2NVb7nz1ABEVywthj588PJxXPTx7bWbyVkEn847k7ZUNGYW3PJz4pRJ1Z0Ll H9jg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 02:34:18 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: PuYTfm7b4-zpYUvB61OoGEEbHOA Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efe2af2086fa904be9e4555 Resent-Message-ID: <6w114D.A.tiC.gmemPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 00:34:40 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4efe2af2086fa904be9e4555 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I thought it was a funny song... I dont for a second relate any bit of it to Live Looping... when they said...in one take... they meant the video you know??? not the music?.. so no.. not live looping... and little to do with it IMO. I didnt like that half the video was shouting about his mates and his channel and showing out-takes... that was cheap. But the song was ok, and the filming was great!... Not particularly difficult to do, just well rehearsed. Now if the music was live looped...ad he had some clever set up with wifi links between computers and radio mikes and, clever sequencing of commands in Abelton synched to Mobius... THEN we'd all like it right? Sadly it twas but a film... in which case, all I can say is.. would have been better with girls... m On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Ricky Graham w= rote: > Hi Paul, > > I am not trying to provoke, merely trying to present a different point > of view. Whether you like the video or not, it could prove useful as a > means to promote an approach to creating music that we on this list > share. That is all. > > You're certainly entitled to your own opinion (which you have > expressed explicitly on a multitude of levels), I am sure it is well > suited to you. > > Best wishes, > > Ricky > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Paul Richards > wrote: > > I'm entitled to my opinion just like you and your cronies at LD. That > video > > SUCKED bigtime. What a prententious p.o.s. I couldn't get to the end , > even. > > Creativity, my ass. It's just an example of marginally-talented weenies > > saying "Look at me". > > > > From: Ricky Graham > > > > To: Paul Richards > > Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:13 PM > > > > Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping > > > > Well done, Chaz. It would not do any of you any harm to take the > > positives away from this video, beyond your own aesthetic. It > > currently provides a platform, albeit temporary, to present the > > fundamental idea behind looping audio in real-time. Who cares if he > > wears glasses in-doors. The fact is, the video presents a musical > > concept that supposedly this list is invested in, lots of people are > > watching it and it is seemingly bringing joy into peoples lives. I > > suppose it all comes down to what you consider meaningful to you, the > > individual. If you find it meaningful to adopt a cynical point of view > > and bash other peoples creativity, whether it is pop or otherwise, > > then fine. I think Matthias was looking for some constructive feedback > > but instead this thread has descended into dung. > > > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Paul Richards > > wrote: > >> Well, again, the "herd instinct" at work doesn't mean anything. Every > >> single > >> day I see a video posted on Yahoo with a caption that reads "xxx video > >> goes > >> viral". So what!? If 1,000,000 idiots do something, does that make it > >> something that I want to do (e.g. watching Jackass movies, piercing my > >> testicles, et al)? > >> > >> I'm not specifically referring to music - just the tendency of the her= d > to > >> follow whatever starts being blitzed to the public via TV, radio & > print. > >> > >> > >> > >> From: Mark Hamburg > >> To: Paul Richards > >> Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > >> > >> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:22 AM > >> > >> Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping > >> > >> Harshly put (not enough coffee yet)... > >> > >> That depends on whether you are interested in indulgent self-explorati= on > >> or > >> in entertaining the audience. > >> > >> Both are valid. Just don't be surprised if the audience is more > interested > >> in paying for =97 or listening to for that matter =97 the latter. > >> > >> My music tends more toward the former and while I greatly appreciate i= t > >> when > >> it clicks with people, I don't feel that something is out of whack if > most > >> people put their attention elsewhere. > >> > >> Mark > >> > >> On Apr 25, 2012, at 3:43 PM, Paul Richards wrote: > >> > >> I think 14 million people bought "Beanie Babies". And tens of thousand= s > of > >> people show up at mall shoe stores to battle over some new Michael > Jordan > >> sneaker. Millions more snarf the garbage that McDonalds sells. Numbers > >> don't > >> mean shit, man. > >> > >> From: chaz worm > >> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 5:40 PM > >> Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping > >> > >> Hey, what guitar mystery man does is essentially "pop looping". Of > course > >> true "looping afficianados" would not like it. > >> But it's a cool little video. > >> It's looping for the masses. That's why none of y'all have a 3million > hit > >> video. > >> > >> Good for him. > >> > >> Chaz > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:02 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> > >>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:18 PM, chaz worm > >>> wrote: > >>>> I think it's pretty cool anytime more people can get a glimpse into = a > >>>> vague semblance of what I do > >>> > >>> You too running in houses with shades? Cool! > >>> > >>> Per ;-)) > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --e0cb4efe2af2086fa904be9e4555 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I thought it was a funny song... I dont for a se= cond relate any bit of it to Live Looping... when they said...in one take..= . they meant the video you know??? not the music?.. so no.. not live loopin= g... and little to do with it IMO.

I didnt like that half the video was shouting about his mates and his c= hannel and showing out-takes... that was cheap.
But the song was ok, and= the filming was great!... Not particularly difficult to do, just well rehe= arsed.

Now if the music was live looped...ad he had some clever set up with wi= fi links between computers and radio mikes and, clever sequencing of comman= ds in Abelton synched to Mobius... THEN we'd all like it right?

Sadly it twas but a film... in which case, all I can say is.. would hav= e been better with girls...


m



On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Ricky Graham <= ;rickygraha= mmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Paul,

I am not trying to provoke, merely trying to present a different point
of view. Whether you like the video or not, it could prove useful as a
means to promote an approach to creating music that we on this list
share. That is all.

You're certainly entitled to your own opinion (which you have
expressed explicitly on a multitude of levels), I am sure it is well
suited to you.

Best wishes,

Ricky

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Paul Richards
<paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.= com> wrote:
> I'm entitled to my opinion just like you and your=A0cronies at LD.= That video
> SUCKED bigtime. What a prententious p.o.s. I couldn't get to the e= nd , even.
> Creativity, my ass. It's just an example of marginally-talented we= enies
> saying "Look at me".
>
> From: Ricky Graham <r= ickygrahammusic@gmail.com>
>
> To: Paul Richards <p= aulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Loope= rs-Delight@loopers-delight.com"
> <Loopers-Del= ight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:13 PM
>
> Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping
>
> Well done, Chaz. It would not do any of you any harm to take the
> positives away from this video, beyond your own aesthetic. It
> currently provides a platform, albeit temporary, to present the
> fundamental idea behind looping audio in real-time. Who cares if he > wears glasses in-doors.=A0 The fact is, the video presents a musical > concept that supposedly this list is invested in, lots of people are > watching it and it is seemingly bringing joy into peoples lives. I
> suppose it all comes down to what you consider meaningful to you, the<= br> > individual. If you find it meaningful to adopt a cynical point of view=
> and bash other peoples creativity, whether it is pop or otherwise,
> then fine. I think Matthias was looking for some constructive feedback=
> but instead this thread has descended into dung.
>
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Paul Richards
> <paulrichard_rocks@y= ahoo.com> wrote:
>> Well, again, the "herd instinct" at work doesn't mea= n anything. Every
>> single
>> day I see a video posted on Yahoo with a caption that reads "= xxx video
>> goes
>> viral". So what!? If 1,000,000 idiots do something, does that= make it
>> something that I want to do (e.g. watching Jackass movies, piercin= g my
>> testicles, et al)?
>>
>> I'm not specifically referring to music - just the tendency of= the herd to
>> follow whatever starts being blitzed to the public via TV, radio &= amp; print.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Mark Hamburg <mark@gr= ubmah.com>
>> To: Paul Richards <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com>
>> Cc: "L= oopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"
>> <Loopers= -Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:22 AM
>>
>> Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping
>>
>> Harshly put (not enough coffee yet)...
>>
>> That depends on whether you are interested in indulgent self-explo= ration
>> or
>> in entertaining the audience.
>>
>> Both are valid. Just don't be surprised if the audience is mor= e interested
>> in paying for =97 or listening to for that matter =97 the latter.<= br> >>
>> My music tends more toward the former and while I greatly apprecia= te it
>> when
>> it clicks with people, I don't feel that something is out of w= hack if most
>> people put their attention elsewhere.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2012, at 3:43 PM, Paul Richards wrote:
>>
>> I think 14 million people bought "Beanie Babies". And te= ns of thousands of
>> people show up at mall shoe stores to battle over some new Michael= Jordan
>> sneaker. Millions more snarf the garbage that McDonalds sells. Num= bers
>> don't
>> mean shit, man.
>>
>> From: chaz worm <c= haz@earthwormandfire.com>
>> To: "L= oopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"
>> <Loopers= -Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 5:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping
>>
>> Hey, what guitar mystery man does is essentially "pop looping= ". Of course
>> true "looping afficianados" would not like it.
>> But it's a cool little video.
>> It's looping for the masses. That's why none of y'all = have a 3million hit
>> video.
>>
>> Good for him.
>>
>> Chaz
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:02 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:18 PM, chaz worm <chaz@earthwormandfire.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I think it's pretty cool anytime more people can get a= glimpse into a
>>>> vague semblance of what I do
>>>
>>> You too running in houses with shades? Cool!
>>>
>>> Per ;-))
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>




--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
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--e0cb4efe2af2086fa904be9e4555-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 01:08:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0EF318345E; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 01:08:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=eJS1bJOxVdGAUaWnjZrNrhgNm75kIMiw99FmtQwTsbA=; b=n2LxoCQ7rYaTyhP8l6AMta0N8aJVM4QUKsCQfkBqi42z+Yio/BPVqCx6NehuFqDuJQ E10u/9AZ9LJN5KDludKsA4T6TEeP5dDrlJ3Ygue9rUenqboIOr64HkvUm9soabgjV1E6 oX14cWcca79GYvLL1Ivp27rQEE1xTyXaBgOu//eS+bBPV95Bnv21e7UkkXJ5E9tGLchv rX7so2W3/AtCO4GCM0TFUeUT72PuJFOcwYDuLnV2j5zf0UlYDYNVCfUaoixC+jCCk23Y qXQbFfnYEKdq6kUl9bCc2TOqvqBA+YbUHgKgknQozqVO0JFAEu2rrkT6HiYuKXWNQ74p JCaQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: Torben Scharling Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 03:07:54 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba25dc5d64d69f04be9ebe20 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 01:08:36 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba25dc5d64d69f04be9ebe20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow, some of you guys are scarily brutal in your response to that video. Interesting to see what kind of thoughts goes through other musicians/loop artists/trolls minds though. On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 2:34 AM, mark francombe wro= te: > I thought it was a funny song... I dont for a second relate any bit of it > to Live Looping... when they said...in one take... they meant the video y= ou > know??? not the music?.. so no.. not live looping... and little to do wit= h > it IMO. > > I didnt like that half the video was shouting about his mates and his > channel and showing out-takes... that was cheap. > But the song was ok, and the filming was great!... Not particularly > difficult to do, just well rehearsed. > > Now if the music was live looped...ad he had some clever set up with wifi > links between computers and radio mikes and, clever sequencing of command= s > in Abelton synched to Mobius... THEN we'd all like it right? > > Sadly it twas but a film... in which case, all I can say is.. would have > been better with girls... > > > m > > > > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > >> Hi Paul, >> >> I am not trying to provoke, merely trying to present a different point >> of view. Whether you like the video or not, it could prove useful as a >> means to promote an approach to creating music that we on this list >> share. That is all. >> >> You're certainly entitled to your own opinion (which you have >> expressed explicitly on a multitude of levels), I am sure it is well >> suited to you. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Ricky >> >> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Paul Richards >> wrote: >> > I'm entitled to my opinion just like you and your cronies at LD. That >> video >> > SUCKED bigtime. What a prententious p.o.s. I couldn't get to the end , >> even. >> > Creativity, my ass. It's just an example of marginally-talented weenie= s >> > saying "Look at me". >> > >> > From: Ricky Graham >> > >> > To: Paul Richards >> > Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" >> > >> > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:13 PM >> > >> > Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping >> > >> > Well done, Chaz. It would not do any of you any harm to take the >> > positives away from this video, beyond your own aesthetic. It >> > currently provides a platform, albeit temporary, to present the >> > fundamental idea behind looping audio in real-time. Who cares if he >> > wears glasses in-doors. The fact is, the video presents a musical >> > concept that supposedly this list is invested in, lots of people are >> > watching it and it is seemingly bringing joy into peoples lives. I >> > suppose it all comes down to what you consider meaningful to you, the >> > individual. If you find it meaningful to adopt a cynical point of view >> > and bash other peoples creativity, whether it is pop or otherwise, >> > then fine. I think Matthias was looking for some constructive feedback >> > but instead this thread has descended into dung. >> > >> > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Paul Richards >> > wrote: >> >> Well, again, the "herd instinct" at work doesn't mean anything. Every >> >> single >> >> day I see a video posted on Yahoo with a caption that reads "xxx vide= o >> >> goes >> >> viral". So what!? If 1,000,000 idiots do something, does that make it >> >> something that I want to do (e.g. watching Jackass movies, piercing m= y >> >> testicles, et al)? >> >> >> >> I'm not specifically referring to music - just the tendency of the >> herd to >> >> follow whatever starts being blitzed to the public via TV, radio & >> print. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Mark Hamburg >> >> To: Paul Richards >> >> Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" >> >> >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:22 AM >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping >> >> >> >> Harshly put (not enough coffee yet)... >> >> >> >> That depends on whether you are interested in indulgent >> self-exploration >> >> or >> >> in entertaining the audience. >> >> >> >> Both are valid. Just don't be surprised if the audience is more >> interested >> >> in paying for =97 or listening to for that matter =97 the latter. >> >> >> >> My music tends more toward the former and while I greatly appreciate = it >> >> when >> >> it clicks with people, I don't feel that something is out of whack if >> most >> >> people put their attention elsewhere. >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> On Apr 25, 2012, at 3:43 PM, Paul Richards wrote: >> >> >> >> I think 14 million people bought "Beanie Babies". And tens of >> thousands of >> >> people show up at mall shoe stores to battle over some new Michael >> Jordan >> >> sneaker. Millions more snarf the garbage that McDonalds sells. Number= s >> >> don't >> >> mean shit, man. >> >> >> >> From: chaz worm >> >> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" >> >> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 5:40 PM >> >> Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping >> >> >> >> Hey, what guitar mystery man does is essentially "pop looping". Of >> course >> >> true "looping afficianados" would not like it. >> >> But it's a cool little video. >> >> It's looping for the masses. That's why none of y'all have a 3million >> hit >> >> video. >> >> >> >> Good for him. >> >> >> >> Chaz >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:02 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:18 PM, chaz worm > > >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> I think it's pretty cool anytime more people can get a glimpse into= a >> >>>> vague semblance of what I do >> >>> >> >>> You too running in houses with shades? Cool! >> >>> >> >>> Per ;-)) >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > --=20 De Bedste Hilsner / Best Regards Torben Scharling - Mobile: +45 61 66 60 09 - e-mail: ts@torbenscharling.com --90e6ba25dc5d64d69f04be9ebe20 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wow, some of you guys are scarily brutal in your= response to that video. Interesting to see what kind of thoughts goes thro= ugh other musicians/loop artists/trolls minds though.



On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 2:34 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.c= om> wrote:
I thought it was a funny song... I dont for a se= cond relate any bit of it to Live Looping... when they said...in one take..= . they meant the video you know??? not the music?.. so no.. not live loopin= g... and little to do with it IMO.

I didnt like that half the video was shouting about his mates and his c= hannel and showing out-takes... that was cheap.
But the song was ok, and= the filming was great!... Not particularly difficult to do, just well rehe= arsed.

Now if the music was live looped...ad he had some clever set up with wi= fi links between computers and radio mikes and, clever sequencing of comman= ds in Abelton synched to Mobius... THEN we'd all like it right?

Sadly it twas but a film... in which case, all I can say is.. would hav= e been better with girls...


m



=
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Ricky Graha= m <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Paul,

I am not trying to provoke, merely trying to present a different point
of view. Whether you like the video or not, it could prove useful as a
means to promote an approach to creating music that we on this list
share. That is all.

You're certainly entitled to your own opinion (which you have
expressed explicitly on a multitude of levels), I am sure it is well
suited to you.

Best wishes,

Ricky

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Paul Richards
<paulri= chard_rocks@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm entitled to my opinion just like you and your=A0cronies at LD.= That video
> SUCKED bigtime. What a prententious p.o.s. I couldn't get to the e= nd , even.
> Creativity, my ass. It's just an example of marginally-talented we= enies
> saying "Look at me".
>
> From: Ricky Graham <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:13 PM
>
> Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping
>
> Well done, Chaz. It would not do any of you any harm to take the
> positives away from this video, beyond your own aesthetic. It
> currently provides a platform, albeit temporary, to present the
> fundamental idea behind looping audio in real-time. Who cares if he > wears glasses in-doors.=A0 The fact is, the video presents a musical > concept that supposedly this list is invested in, lots of people are > watching it and it is seemingly bringing joy into peoples lives. I
> suppose it all comes down to what you consider meaningful to you, the<= br> > individual. If you find it meaningful to adopt a cynical point of view=
> and bash other peoples creativity, whether it is pop or otherwise,
> then fine. I think Matthias was looking for some constructive feedback=
> but instead this thread has descended into dung.
>
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Paul Richards
> <p= aulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Well, again, the "herd instinct" at work doesn't mea= n anything. Every
>> single
>> day I see a video posted on Yahoo with a caption that reads "= xxx video
>> goes
>> viral". So what!? If 1,000,000 idiots do something, does that= make it
>> something that I want to do (e.g. watching Jackass movies, piercin= g my
>> testicles, et al)?
>>
>> I'm not specifically referring to music - just the tendency of= the herd to
>> follow whatever starts being blitzed to the public via TV, radio &= amp; print.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com>
>> To: Paul Richards <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com>
>> Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"
>> <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:22 AM
>>
>> Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping
>>
>> Harshly put (not enough coffee yet)...
>>
>> That depends on whether you are interested in indulgent self-explo= ration
>> or
>> in entertaining the audience.
>>
>> Both are valid. Just don't be surprised if the audience is mor= e interested
>> in paying for =97 or listening to for that matter =97 the latter.<= br> >>
>> My music tends more toward the former and while I greatly apprecia= te it
>> when
>> it clicks with people, I don't feel that something is out of w= hack if most
>> people put their attention elsewhere.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2012, at 3:43 PM, Paul Richards wrote:
>>
>> I think 14 million people bought "Beanie Babies". And te= ns of thousands of
>> people show up at mall shoe stores to battle over some new Michael= Jordan
>> sneaker. Millions more snarf the garbage that McDonalds sells. Num= bers
>> don't
>> mean shit, man.
>>
>> From: chaz worm <chaz@earthwormandfire.com>
>> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"
>> <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 5:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping
>>
>> Hey, what guitar mystery man does is essentially "pop looping= ". Of course
>> true "looping afficianados" would not like it.
>> But it's a cool little video.
>> It's looping for the masses. That's why none of y'all = have a 3million hit
>> video.
>>
>> Good for him.
>>
>> Chaz
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:02 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:18 PM, chaz worm <chaz@earthwormandfire.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I think it's pretty cool anytime more people can get a= glimpse into a
>>>> vague semblance of what I do
>>>
>>> You too running in houses with shades? Cool!
>>>
>>> Per ;-))
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>




--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>



--
De Bedste Hilsner / Bes= t Regards

Torben Scharling - Mobile:=A0+45 61 66 60 09 - = e-mail:=A0ts@torbenscharling.com



--90e6ba25dc5d64d69f04be9ebe20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 01:28:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9D3C183461; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 01:28:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1592463500==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120427012847.22245.96142.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:28:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: Looper's Delight misconception Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 01:28:50 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============1592463500== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pages=20such=20as=20"Tools=20of=20the=20Trade"=20make=20up=20the=20loop=20b= ook;=20the=20Wikipedia=20of=20looping;=20the=20 encyclopedia=20of=20looping;=20the=20Loopipedia!=20The=20loopers-delight=20= site=20is=20the=20Loopipedia! Tyler=20Z On=20Fri,=2027=20Apr=202012=2002:24:23=20+0200,=20mark=20francombe=20wrote: >I=20spose=20that=20a=20joke=20Matt...---=20theres=20only=20a=20parking=20s= ite=20at=20livelooping.com >Seriously,=20what=20do=20people=20want=20there=20to=20be=20at=20LD.com???.= ..=20cos=20IMNSHO=20we=20could=20 >just=20have=20a=20one=20page=20banner..=20telling=20how=20to=20subscribe..= .=20who=20needs=20all=20this=20 >"tools=20of=20the=20trade?"=20or=20Artist=20profiles???=20Really=20we=20al= l=20just=20google=20it=20or=20you=20 >tube=20it=20or=20Facebook=20it=20now=20anyway=20right?..=20does=20a=20bunc= h=20of=20pages=20do=20anything=20at=20 >all=20to=20contributing=20to=20a=20community? >LD=20is=20and=20has=20always=20been=20about=20the=20mailing=20list,=20now= =20THATS=20where=20it=20could=20do=20 >with=20some=20updates...=20not=20some=20dull=20site=20thats=20basically=20= just=20showing=20ads. >1.=20LD=20should=20stay=20as=20it=20is=20(for=20folks=20what=20like=20it= =20this=20way) >2.=20LD=20should=20be=20accessible=20from=20a=20web=20front=20end,=20that= =20saves=20threads=20like=20forum=20 >threads. >3.=20LD=20mailing=20list=20should=20accept=20rich=20media,=20inline=20yout= ube=20links=20and=20images... >4.=20website...???=20oh=20just=20kill=20it...=20or=20leave=20it=20there=20= in=20memory=20of=20Kim...=20 >So..=20no=20ones=20gonna=20do=20that=20are=20they=20so=20lets=20just=20lea= ve=20it... >Violet=20doesnt=20NEED=20to=20do=20anything=20to=20the=20site,=20or=20the= =20mailing=20list...=20shes=20 >doing=20it=20just=20fine...=20why=20does=20everything=20have=20to=20be=20s= o=20fucking=20up=20to=20date...=20 >I=20remember=20Loopers=20Delight=20when=20it=20was=20made=20of=20wood! >If=20you=20wanna=20do=20a=20forum,=20there=20is=20one!!!=20@=20livelooping= .org,=20theres=20a=20facebook=20 >group=20theres=20a=20youtube=20channel...=20jeesus...=20what=20more=20do= =20you=20all=20want!! >honestly...=20why=20does=20anyone=20care=20that=20its=20a=20movement=20or= =20a=20genre???=20its=20not..=20 >its=20a=20teensy=20weensy=20bit=20of=20technology=20that=20does=20somethin= g=20cool...=20 >I=20wonder=20if=20those=20people=20on=20PhasersDelight.com=20have=20so=20m= uch=20anguish? >M. >On=20Thu,=20Apr=2026,=202012=20at=208:15=20PM,=20Matt=20Davignon=20=20wrote: >Speaking=20of=20which,=20I=20really=20should=20switch=20out=20all=20those= =203=20year=20old=20mp3s=20on=20my=20 >own=20website.=20:) >Sorry=20-=20about=20the=20artist=20profile=20thing.=20I=20tend=20to=20thin= k=20a=20bit=20hard-assedly=20 >because=20on=20bayimproviser.com,=20about=202/3=20of=20the=20venues=20have= =20either=20closed=20or=20 >aren't=20booking=20improvised/experimental=20music=20anymore.=20Probably= =20about=2040%=20of=20the=20 >artists=20on=20the=20artists=20page=20aren't=20active=20anymore,=20or=20ha= ve=20moved=20out=20of=20the=20 >area.=20 >I'm=20totally=20guilty=20on=20my=20LD=20artists=20page.=20It=20still=20say= s=20I'm=2025,=20and=20has=20links=20 >to=20my=20mp3.com=20page.=20Ah,=20to=20be=2025=20again!=20I=20wouldn't=20e= ven=20know=20how=20to=20log=20in=20 >again=20to=20update=20it,=20and=20frankly,=20I=20expect=20that=20people=20= looking=20for=20my=20artist=20 >information=20will=20find=20it=20on=20my=20own=20website. >But,=20and=20update=20to=20loopers-delight.com=20isn't=20in=20the=20works.= =20That's=20why=20some=20of=20 >the=20members=20of=20this=20list=20built=20livelooping.com=20instead. >--=20 >Matt=20Davignon >mattdavignon@gmail.com >www.ribosomemusic.com >Podcast!=20http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com >On=20Thu,=20Apr=2026,=202012=20at=2010:53=20AM,=20Jeff=20Duke=20=20wrote: >"musty" >I=20resemble=20that=20remark!=20:) >Jeff >On=20Thu,=20Apr=2026,=202012=20at=201:36=20PM,=20Matt=20Davignon=20=20wrote: >Having=20a=20big=20resource=20is=20good,=20but=20when=20I=20land=20on=20a= =20site,=20and=20see=20mostly=20 >content=20that's=20more=20than=203=20years=20old,=20it=20starts=20feeling= =20musty. >--=20 >Matt=20Davignon >mattdavignon@gmail.com >www.ribosomemusic.com >Podcast!=20http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com >--=20 >Mark=20Francombe >www.markfrancombe.com >www.ordoabkhao.com >http://vimeo.com/user825094 >http://www.looop.no >twitter=20@markfrancombe >http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --===============1592463500==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 05:11:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67451183462; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:11:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=OKrPVililHZylVuVrdJn0mhc57odNhcwl886z5qQDvM=; b=r4SEuAsBS0et1gzt5SIZfc5Bm7dImMF0SMC0ZtOCyR/cbyUZtS6qLCCdGdSUda3wyj PuDwdqzpv2wFM64sJN2oK1mc/+rMgSnL3p7pMXGHcMHr7PCggNMImEbXna82KyhIl1F6 q5N4RDyHef1sav8A5OhUWIO50zc03eLX/Je2Q6S9eBnzuMflDdAoKRWYpJb+XMY+HlQR xqymU0Lze/cAvmHx9ymg/30MaxvdOSGevMQ1nQAhA8X2PrbkBhqA9IFAGFWprp/tkMIj bHsN/qELoSW1d0Ja5/HFQlsye14neOzauS5IntBISlcZWiChsC5rcHanpMtoJALQTX1y nQgA== References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 07:11:54 +0200 Message-ID: <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:11:59 +0000 (UTC) In what possible way could you say my post was trolling? I just stated a fact, this was not done by live looping, twas editted on a DAW. I complimented the song, not overly showering praise, but not slagging. If anything, I critisized us, the LDers, by commenting that if it was all done live with lots of trick tech, we would be happy,, please read before... er.... trolling. Now what NO ONE has mentioned, and may have been Matt's original meaning by his post.. is... Is'nt it interesting, that live looping has become so cool, that this guy writes a song that EMULATES live looping but isn't??? mark Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 27 Apr 2012, at 03:08, Torben Scharling wrote: > Wow, some of you guys are scarily brutal in your response to that video. Interesting to see what kind of thoughts goes through other musicians/loop artists/trolls minds though. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 09:38:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A2CB18345D; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:38:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 510 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:38:37 UTC From: Carsten Wegener Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Echoplex Problem Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:30:05 +0200 Message-Id: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:38:37 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I am using an Echoplex Digital Pro with the LoopIV Upgrade. I am having = the problem, that my machine has the following behaviour: always after = switching on it plays an recorded loop once and then "stops" or mutes. = All the lights are green after that. I can change that only by resetting the EDP, but than i have to = reinstall all my preferences every time. Do you have an idea? Thanks a lot for your help Carsten= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 09:42:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3079F18345D; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:42:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_d1c8e5d1-3d43-451b-836b-2bab7eced9f4_" X-Originating-IP: [87.102.15.109] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: Echoplex Problem Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:42:54 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Apr 2012 09:42:54.0526 (UTC) FILETIME=[1EC165E0:01CD245A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:42:56 +0000 (UTC) --_d1c8e5d1-3d43-451b-836b-2bab7eced9f4_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable how are you triggering it? if sounds kinda like you are in one of the Sampler Styles that plays once a= nd then mutes.this could come from bad midi info if you have your offsets s= et wrong or similar? =20 > From: carsten@tyfoo.de > Subject: Echoplex Problem > Date: Fri=2C 27 Apr 2012 11:30:05 +0200 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > Hi=2C >=20 > I am using an Echoplex Digital Pro with the LoopIV Upgrade. I am having t= he problem=2C that my machine has the following behaviour: always after swi= tching on it plays an recorded loop once and then "stops" or mutes. All the= lights are green after that. > I can change that only by resetting the EDP=2C but than i have to reinsta= ll all my preferences every time. > Do you have an idea? >=20 > Thanks a lot for your help >=20 > Carsten = --_d1c8e5d1-3d43-451b-836b-2bab7eced9f4_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
how are you triggering it?

if sounds kinda like you are = in one of the Sampler Styles that plays once and then mutes.
this= could come from bad midi info if you have your offsets set wrong or simila= r?

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>=3B From: carsten@tyfoo.de
>=3B Subject: Ech= oplex Problem
>=3B Date: Fri=2C 27 Apr 2012 11:30:05 +0200
>=3B T= o: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B
>=3B Hi=2C
>=3B=
>=3B I am using an Echoplex Digital Pro with the LoopIV Upgrade. I a= m having the problem=2C that my machine has the following behaviour: always= after switching on it plays an recorded loop once and then "stops" or mute= s. All the lights are green after that.
>=3B I can change that only by= resetting the EDP=2C but than i have to reinstall all my preferences every= time.
>=3B Do you have an idea?
>=3B
>=3B Thanks a lot for= your help
>=3B
>=3B Carsten
= --_d1c8e5d1-3d43-451b-836b-2bab7eced9f4_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 09:55:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82160183460; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:55:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=T6KsmU9D2bDZ+YsoVJUIC29/YmxcQQN6K8ssy4m+k7M=; b=QQ2cYVkcEEb2A9vbP1pZSvqol+jW7+3Ck/3yJq8D2UoKgPn25uXH+FxKDeoCVhqsRk lXiZeAWoQPMdtQA+lx+JiEBYsFiLleX393M6wBXnAHZUH61CdSKcFGMf3ugu+qRzR9k7 32UxEmPhAazWtr/1YZ6MBuQET3A0065fC+h8zPdmaUVvE7oRigZxZ6d+miArIYRZQynz 3m6z9Jj5PeF7iBJXaji4IUZ9tw1xpT5KG5q86SgRvl9j3meYLSUEVe82gbdDjIxXJCpP jTatblfxTx66l/inYkhujC6CiELICix5sylvcdaYzNUiboi3LPHLlA2zRlGfKWss12r5 /gjQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:55:53 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <0xsDFC.A.WxG.r0mmPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:55:55 +0000 (UTC) Hi Mark, > In what possible way could you say my post was trolling? I don't think anyone is suggesting you are "trolling." You make some good observations in your post. > Is'nt it interesting, that live looping has become so cool, that this > guy writes a song that EMULATES live looping but isn't??? This is exactly what I am getting at. Look beyond what you deem to be worthy of your praise for its musical caliber for a moment and see that it clearly conveys the concept of looping audio. It could prove to be a useful platform. Ricky > On 27 Apr 2012, at 03:08, Torben Scharling wrote: > >> Wow, some of you guys are scarily brutal in your response to that video. Interesting to see what kind of thoughts goes through other musicians/loop artists/trolls minds though. >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 10:14:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4082183462; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:14:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=daR2rILnvudBpsvzhVPZTWC5QVQpa4//imhqsoIyhg0=; b=hxVOxup6Bygbgcc6vTaJLjw5fDoKzB3CV/eMFQPSi+OvRPAAYK8ScYBw7aCW6mFAsl q17SVtJS4JcULKWuR5o3zK9fju3AooREBbXOsX2wl34qlfex3clUT5eK5Owkm06b6Dz7 y9cTv4/3XXX35ykBskL2pCYmEwRK3vhE1xdMfZiX3Wp99TqzzXtJXChmpFZGm7cY39xo 8sYeUQ698Y1srjSwKoDM5AAfmL9iFCJkby4GmhqzxuPfi0IuUOCyiFwLjb66cKR5FGWA dX2yzx5DuxmycJ6KDJvydmji7oj48EGU8ChOlaWUP1WDgt70C89Gu9dZhrfNj7A9ikPa 2Ogw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:14:05 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: PB3NZ4uCl3EUbOXv2wW43EvHZCg Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d040172ff7edc1504bea65e28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:14:27 +0000 (UTC) --f46d040172ff7edc1504bea65e28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well Ricky, I reacted to the fact that Torben just hit reply on my post, copied the whole thread under his mail and said folks were trolling.. twas mine that show up first.. so, maybe he wasnt pointing at me.. But Yes Ricky, the interesting thing about this thread is that looping is pretty pass=E9 now.. anyone can do it (hooray) and we prob need to stop jus= t posting EVERYTHING just cos its looping... There is a guy here in Norway who has become a HUGE hit of the song form looping.. all my friends are saying.. its so cool how he loops himself... I sigh and point out that theyve been coming to my gigs for 12 years.. and they look at me.. pause.. blink a few time... then go back to saying how cool this guy is... I feel that solo pub singers have gotten the biggest change in their lives from Looping... BUt as a film-maker I have simerlar issues at work, the extremely high level of proffesionality an amateur can achive with a home PC and lots of time, is so astounding its hard for ME to to continue to charge 1025 kroners an hour for my films... Its getting tougher and tougher... Damn computers... before it was all a mystery we hid from the un-washed masses... Grrr... On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Hi Mark, > > > In what possible way could you say my post was trolling? > > I don't think anyone is suggesting you are "trolling." You make some > good observations in your post. > > > Is'nt it interesting, that live looping has become so cool, that this > > guy writes a song that EMULATES live looping but isn't??? > > This is exactly what I am getting at. Look beyond what you deem to be > worthy of your praise for its musical caliber for a moment and see > that it clearly conveys the concept of looping audio. It could prove > to be a useful platform. > > Ricky > > > > > On 27 Apr 2012, at 03:08, Torben Scharling > wrote: > > > >> Wow, some of you guys are scarily brutal in your response to that > video. Interesting to see what kind of thoughts goes through other > musicians/loop artists/trolls minds though. > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d040172ff7edc1504bea65e28 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well Ricky, I reacted to the fact that Torben ju= st hit reply on my post, copied the whole thread under his mail and said fo= lks were trolling.. twas mine that show up first.. so, maybe he wasnt point= ing at me..

But Yes Ricky, the interesting thing about this thread is that looping = is pretty pass=E9 now.. anyone can do it (hooray) and we prob need to stop = just posting EVERYTHING just cos its looping... There is a guy here in Norw= ay who has become a HUGE hit of the song form looping.. all my friends are = saying.. its so cool how he loops himself... I sigh and point out that they= ve been coming to my gigs for 12 years.. and they look at me.. pause.. blin= k a few time... then go back to saying how cool this guy is...

I feel that solo pub singers have gotten the biggest change in their li= ves from Looping...

BUt as a film-maker I have simerlar issues at w= ork, the extremely high level of proffesionality an amateur can achive with= a home PC and lots of time,=A0 is so astounding its hard for ME to to cont= inue to charge 1025 kroners an hour for my films... Its getting tougher and= tougher...
Damn computers... before it was all a mystery we hid from the un-washed mas= ses... Grrr...




On Fri, Apr 27= , 2012 at 11:55 AM, Ricky Graham <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:
Hi Mark,

> In what possible way could you say my post was trolling?

I don't think anyone is suggesting you are "trolling." = You make some
good observations in your post.

> Is'nt it interesting, that live looping has become so cool, that t= his
> guy writes a song that EMULATES live looping but isn't???

This is exactly what I am getting at. Look beyond what you deem to be=
worthy of your praise for its musical caliber for a moment and see
that it clearly conveys the concept of looping audio. It could prove
to be a useful platform.

Ricky



> On 27 Apr 2012, at 03:08, Torben Scharling <torbenscharling@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Wow, some of you guys are scarily brutal in your response to that = video. Interesting to see what kind of thoughts goes through other musician= s/loop artists/trolls minds though.
>>
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--f46d040172ff7edc1504bea65e28-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 10:45:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15726183463; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:45:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dhgmGK8aPUAgNbqNB0Shxziv7p0/y1Z2puujG6Msa14=; b=WySyrKCqiyx8EgZePlwJTlDvRwgb+t5WAexquUuzRWaW9DqoZrrZQAZz4H18RhXlju WSpfT6L3HgH/ZxnXUgXdEEw4WNZBr0zvT5tsG2bhP/5oPehqYzDWUyiqNkfVNaJLG9ni h/gPNDlbMqP0C1MipHDKip9BfvdQURKtixmv3pUEphrze85+ZxlPMng+b7RhpANjcRZA 4+v38bj+U/4oGgWHljca8ayZSqz/INqDZBXktg6HmtQ8DLv4OJ3Zz2XYKVIXPcVn01M2 PCgxwl35qiGwQv61YVyL1fsFr4zfGfFrj5x4fQMMUHlouszbPMkuRKbxkF1x7HpI5VMP k93g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:45:15 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:45:16 +0000 (UTC) I can understand your frustration, Mark. Especially when you work hard at your craft and you see others (novices, amateurs) succeed with a nominal amount of effort. I am a certainly a proponent of demystifying technologically driven approaches to music composition and performance, and I am glad that these types of tools are accessible and applicable within many people's creative process. In my experience, it tends to result in situation whereby we develop new approaches using the tools that we love. As you say, there is a saturation of "live looping" artists, musicians - amateurs and professionals but to my mind the techniques are still all quite basic and the members of the community produce much more exciting music. However, creativity should be encouraged IMHO, no matter what. I find it interesting that LD has developed its own "virtuosity meter" - a way to measure the success of your craft based on, as you put it, "tricks" you use. I think this happens in every type of genre and style of music and/or music community. That is not to say that everyone thinks this way about music. For the record, I find all that fascinating too. After all, these types of communities are incredibly important, not only to us musicians but to those who are developing our tools and the approaches we adopt in practice. Cheers to you, LD. On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:14 AM, mark francombe w= rote: > Well Ricky, I reacted to the fact that Torben just hit reply on my post, > copied the whole thread under his mail and said folks were trolling.. twa= s > mine that show up first.. so, maybe he wasnt pointing at me.. > > But Yes Ricky, the interesting thing about this thread is that looping is > pretty pass=E9 now.. anyone can do it (hooray) and we prob need to stop j= ust > posting EVERYTHING just cos its looping... There is a guy here in Norway = who > has become a HUGE hit of the song form looping.. all my friends are sayin= g.. > its so cool how he loops himself... I sigh and point out that theyve been > coming to my gigs for 12 years.. and they look at me.. pause.. blink a fe= w > time... then go back to saying how cool this guy is... > > I feel that solo pub singers have gotten the biggest change in their live= s > from Looping... > > BUt as a film-maker I have simerlar issues at work, the extremely high le= vel > of proffesionality an amateur can achive with a home PC and lots of time, > is so astounding its hard for ME to to continue to charge 1025 kroners an > hour for my films... Its getting tougher and tougher... > Damn computers... before it was all a mystery we hid from the un-washed > masses... Grrr... > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Ricky Graham > wrote: >> >> Hi Mark, >> >> > In what possible way could you say my post was trolling? >> >> I don't think anyone is suggesting you are "trolling." You make some >> good observations in your post. >> >> > Is'nt it interesting, that live looping has become so cool, that this >> > guy writes a song that EMULATES live looping but isn't??? >> >> This is exactly what I am getting at. Look beyond what you deem to be >> worthy of your praise for its musical caliber for a moment and see >> that it clearly conveys the concept of looping audio. It could prove >> to be a useful platform. >> >> Ricky >> >> >> >> > On 27 Apr 2012, at 03:08, Torben Scharling >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Wow, some of you guys are scarily brutal in your response to that >> >> video. Interesting to see what kind of thoughts goes through other >> >> musicians/loop artists/trolls minds though. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 12:23:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEC07183463; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:23:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=2lHEHHchw3++bM+jXOwA8hHfNibq0/gGYUyQlH2Ww5Y=; b=XN8ubAi24BiLjAXpkEuxmy2i6FiL62BO6Vr2fGa0FxDduKFLZ+AWRhqqJPcd3e5fdv Y1rLX8ZC3SnDHbSEJ5IM/wMNv46ocKjUxfd8AjTr8IhIFEjBgaOWbbCRW74R3Fat7QrO fNHJLfaia1Xxxjg6cnd5krNebOxE7pUbiMLm6cPwnLUHH2vtZF3oitBYviIh083oJofP Z/Whjd3Z9hP++8Ioj4EVr7RUZuG7cQacrIkpduY4XnQ/TnGkDmDr7sIrHIjjt5rlZyru ChMWmXm5Akra51IYwf7t7qOqPZ8xuk7KMRnJ/JrMt0DTtRvlGvCTx4cOhHZjCzn6lJUQ e+1w== Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> From: Torben Scharling Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> Message-Id: <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:25:08 +0200 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:23:22 +0000 (UTC) I didn't mean you in particular Mark, I'm new to this mailing list business.= So without mentioning any names, or quoting anyone, what I meant was: I see a lot of jealousy, insecurities, hatred towards other people, who are m= ore successful than you. Perhaps even worse musicians, but way better at giv= ing audiences what they want/something they find interesting enough to wanna= share with their friends (and share on a mailing list). This guy is a "like", "share", "subscribe", "click on my ads" kind of guy. H= e thrives on that - good for him. Doesn't mean you have to do the same, just= respect the fact that he's successful in doing what he's doing. (And no, I'= m not a fan of his btw.) I mean, it's not like this guy is a phony or a con artist. I'm sure he works= hard with what he's got. He probably realized that he's not a super-musicia= n, and learned to draw on other skills.=20 Bashing creativity, entertainment, and quite frankly something that you, unl= ess you pull the same kind of views or at least returning subscribers, have n= o clue how to do yourselves - then I think trolling is the appropriate word f= or it. I went to a Reggie Watts concert recently here in Copenhagen. And this by pa= sser comment from another Danish guy that attended the show, stuck in my hea= d ever since; "it's just sad that he spends so much time goofing around and n= ot taking it seriously, (in reality) he's a great musician, but he choses to= rely on comedy".... Now this relates back to that youtube video, and you guys that think you're a= ll that in terms of you music skills and looping magic: to each his own, the= res a place for everything, there are new forms of show business, there are t= alented musicians/artists/entertainers who choose to wrap their talents in d= ifferent paper than you and your neighbor etc. I could say a lot of horrible things about some of you guys music on this ma= iling list, tell you how crappy your atmospheric sea of infinite weirdo soun= ds and noises are nothing but a gimmick drowned in effects, delays and reve= rbs to hide the fact, that your musical talents just don't add up. But I won= 't, because I'm not a teenager anymore. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 12:34:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6D6418345E; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:34:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=Az0sQPJTvIK1QE68AZ7nTP6ba0MIHXK2kS1hclIM1/c=; b=TVDIO0E3SN6yppVsatWWmKnimT5HMvXlKvC4FE2zYzI5qO60eqUw0XsvsNGCU+qAnm wIXlnyLDSYbeLsxWsSjuXgZTln/st5yGd9YL3tjZZjnhX+Z2B30WQuj6EMYO0X+IHKOy DcwR3ukX36uc5B98nzA11KcAYrLgR7Wiq5zI5iRmgX4NAsyCZ6hKyPPo6koaei2bmdMC /HfW68wkr40z6MQLHp/QYNNDu0F0iol2c6c9lHS6wr7VHBsQnO+l80CwaMMcGPkQ+yal PFl7cqIS+CWB6ZYR0yo0XlcmqB4kgDR/GkDfQqmPWtm+QA+Um7FrN61JmhpuvJdL/mXk iQRQ== Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> From: Todd Reynolds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B179) In-Reply-To: <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:34:27 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:34:32 +0000 (UTC) Okay, at this point i'mma gonna cook me up a bunch o popcorn. The pot just= called the kettle black, Dr. Freud just rolled over in his grave, and the s= how is just about to begin. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 27, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Torben Scharling wr= ote: > I didn't mean you in particular Mark, I'm new to this mailing list busines= s. >=20 > So without mentioning any names, or quoting anyone, what I meant was: >=20 > I see a lot of jealousy, insecurities, hatred towards other people, who ar= e more successful than you. Perhaps even worse musicians, but way better at g= iving audiences what they want/something they find interesting enough to wan= na share with their friends (and share on a mailing list). >=20 > This guy is a "like", "share", "subscribe", "click on my ads" kind of guy.= He thrives on that - good for him. Doesn't mean you have to do the same, ju= st respect the fact that he's successful in doing what he's doing. (And no, I= 'm not a fan of his btw.) >=20 > I mean, it's not like this guy is a phony or a con artist. I'm sure he wor= ks hard with what he's got. He probably realized that he's not a super-music= ian, and learned to draw on other skills.=20 >=20 > Bashing creativity, entertainment, and quite frankly something that you, u= nless you pull the same kind of views or at least returning subscribers, hav= e no clue how to do yourselves - then I think trolling is the appropriate wo= rd for it. >=20 > I went to a Reggie Watts concert recently here in Copenhagen. And this by p= asser comment from another Danish guy that attended the show, stuck in my he= ad ever since; "it's just sad that he spends so much time goofing around and= not taking it seriously, (in reality) he's a great musician, but he choses t= o rely on comedy".... >=20 > Now this relates back to that youtube video, and you guys that think you'r= e all that in terms of you music skills and looping magic: to each his own, t= heres a place for everything, there are new forms of show business, there ar= e talented musicians/artists/entertainers who choose to wrap their talents i= n different paper than you and your neighbor etc. >=20 > I could say a lot of horrible things about some of you guys music on this m= ailing list, tell you how crappy your atmospheric sea of infinite weirdo sou= nds and noises are nothing but a gimmick drowned in effects, delays and rev= erbs to hide the fact, that your musical talents just don't add up. But I wo= n't, because I'm not a teenager anymore. >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 12:46:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F604183460; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:46:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=0DBO2W7ku410HI3MXNkBcjd5hbY024I80pHE+D5X30U=; b=FdSbehdaHj10vMjPPtd3VXycDWi8UiTPIoR0o6MiOUZb2fTi+NdDFzsPKwbny2nZj8 HbDnSzZMQdCT8srX3t3LaOEoicuTqZork1BXyQj4/U90DkxuyN0DBxI1O3nOcQ4FxMZN ig85rN7c/YOTKhAm+DVfAyTjKc1iQaR7fimUL0Wm3ILc/Il3v6kVbGf39oK9/srN4FA/ V7utF/tP+rc+4zZgzZ+x90K4pG+7RwgJhWgGDgVGRDSZRnzAemOTzOroilt+SpI7hTrn GRDTJ2sGKDyBYPCRmzO9NqysSg7umjFTGCdvUthIPVIZHBSpiDinuDfOOLho+TSgWSas xuWA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:46:27 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: oI2H5j5gmPAcr86GNjMd8KV7cqc Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0401fd1b5f789904bea87fc3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:46:49 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0401fd1b5f789904bea87fc3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yes but Torben, I have read this thread and no-one has really been that critical of this guy, not me neither, I just said the song was OK. My comment was simply that the song is not Live Looped, but whats interesting about it is that its written to SOUND live looped, (as in building the rhythm up bit by bit at the start). No one was as critical as you are now being about a genre of music that admittedly is rather prevelent on this list, as in Ambient or Noise or Soundscape. The reason for that is NOT as you suspect because we lack talent (what ever THAT is) its because many people on this list are a little older than 21, and have been looping for many many years. So alot of us come from looping having discovered it thru Eno or Fripp, that played this kind of music in the 70s. The list is full of people who are so addicted to looping, that the technique has become the main focus of their music, and once that occurs, one trys to push those techniques, bend new sounds out of the devices and see where that takes us. I for one was for 14 years a pretty successful professional musician (so I guess I know how to please a crowd) but now that period is over in my life, I dont have that need to be LIKED, (or POKED for that matter). So when you bow down before the GOD of LOOP, it doesnt take long before looping your "verse chorus verse chorus break verse chorus fade out" littl ditty becomes ... well become a little too simple. If I wanna play a song, Ill probably just play it... forget the looping... Having said that there are some on the list that push that genre of the looped song to extremes of professionalism like Reyn for example... Phew... that guys a rocket... But sure... we can easily be a tad dismissive in the "been there done that" kind of thing... and I think a few of us have seen something like that video a few times already... And did I mention.. It wasnt Live Looping! M On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Torben Scharling wrote: > I didn't mean you in particular Mark, I'm new to this mailing list > business. > > I could say a lot of horrible things about some of you guys music on this > mailing list, tell you how crappy your atmospheric sea of infinite weirdo > sounds and noises are nothing but a gimmick drowned in effects, delays and > reverbs to hide the fact, that your musical talents just don't add up. But > I won't, because I'm not a teenager anymore. > > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d0401fd1b5f789904bea87fc3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes but Torben, I have read this thread and no-o= ne has really been that critical of this guy, not me neither, I just said t= he song was OK. My comment was simply that the song is not Live Looped, but= whats interesting about it is that its written to SOUND live looped, (as i= n building the rhythm up bit by bit at the start).

No one was as critical as you are now being about a genre of music that= admittedly is rather prevelent on this list, as in Ambient or Noise or Sou= ndscape. The reason for that is NOT as you suspect because we lack talent (= what ever THAT is) its because many people on this list are a little older = than 21, and have been looping for many many years.=A0 So alot of us come f= rom looping having discovered it thru Eno or Fripp, that played this kind o= f music in the 70s.

The list is full of people who are so addicted to looping, that the tec= hnique has become the main focus of their music, and once that occurs, one = trys to push those techniques, bend new sounds out of the devices and see w= here that takes us. I for one was for 14 years a pretty successful professi= onal musician (so I guess I know how to please a crowd) but now that period= is over in my life, I dont have that need to be LIKED, (or POKED for that = matter).
So when you bow down before the GOD of LOOP, it doesnt take long before loo= ping your "verse chorus verse chorus break verse chorus fade out"= littl ditty becomes ... well become a little too simple. If I wanna play a= song, Ill probably just play it... forget the looping...

Having said that there are some on the list that push that genre of the= looped song to extremes of professionalism like Reyn for example... Phew..= . that guys a rocket...
But sure... we can easily be a tad dismissive in= the "been there done that" kind of thing... and I think a few of= us have seen something like that video a few times already...

And did I mention.. It wasnt Live Looping!

M



On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Torben Scharling <torbenscharling@gmail.com> wrote:
I didn't mean you in particular Mark, I&= #39;m new to this mailing list business.

I could say a lot of horrible things about some of you guys music on this m= ailing list, tell you how crappy your atmospheric sea of infinite weirdo so= unds and noises are nothing but a gimmick drowned in effects, delays and = =A0reverbs to hide the fact, that your musical talents just don't add u= p. But I won't, because I'm not a teenager anymore.





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--f46d0401fd1b5f789904bea87fc3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 13:15:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 323B3183460; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:15:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=TjJSMR8rIlq6LDtZY6sustaFSDLjmOLZMnRZo0EZXdQ=; b=OqYX5wWY7ByGLtvkLU09Hs1NVP7uye1m3kTVGpvAADVEkFnxOZcJBKbhkX2WBn4F9T aFu6zR+6WWrgdtJ6RT9HSmyV7S/JQsVWyN33TJQsMIMTEvJ1Fu/+hOUzPOw9LfVapNdg ZEWxj0FcnT1OqsO+9ufhR4jZgQdvm8EIrJVb71ABW/esf7PHgZP6jGOr7obO/hVO6QfV PB+RgtW8OIi41hFevNhwKUihkIcZSWxQ1cRG0V83ryNaA5WyjGPP79mTZ8RPwUxPvI8b 4tQwobuRq5itjnhQ1KjSMLwxQcvWDOQFhB8vAVqxi+0mY/UK8mt7ALhZceOc0lrMz00m m10A== Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> From: Torben Scharling Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <659BDF8D-F6A3-4A0C-A55D-FA74D1265B71@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:17:33 +0200 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:15:47 +0000 (UTC) vv That was kind of the point I was trying to make with my post, the Reggie W= atts story etc.: I couldn't help but think "man, if I show you guys a loop v= ideo I did, and get the same kind of responses, I'd not wanna post a video a= gain" one thing is teenagers on youtube bashing whatever whenever. Another t= hing is when it comes from more reliable sources. But back to my point: it's= about personal taste. So I'm not being critical about ambient music, I'm sa= ying if I was, it'd be the same thing as if I was being (overly) critical of= this youtube guy. And for both matters, there is a place and an audience, a= nd neither you ambient looping stuff or that guy is better than the other in= it's basic form, it's just two different ways of approaching music and ente= rtainment.=20 On 27/04/2012, at 14.46, mark francombe wrote: > No one was as critical as you are now being about a genre of music that ad= mittedly is rather prevelent on this list, as in Ambient or Noise or Soundsc= ape. The reason for that is NOT as you suspect because we lack talent (what e= ver THAT is)=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 13:46:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F12C9183461; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping From: Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 06:46:26 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Far better said than my message yesterday. And of course since without enough coffee I can't just leave it at = that... ;-) Probably for as long as I've been on this list =97 been around = musicians? =97 I've seen people apply a definition of art that allows = them to feel superior(?) to others, but then also resentful of their = success. Entertaining the audience isn't valued as art though it is what = the audience values and it is the audience that we are asking to part = with their time, attention, and money. Saying this is not to denigrate the work of people who don't pursue = audience entertainment. But don't bash people who do manage to entertain = an audience and reap the rewards of doing so. That isn't easy either. It is, however, quite reasonable to say "Clearly based on response this = is appealing to a lot of people, but from a looping perspective, while = it's interesting to see live looping show up in something this popular, = the actual looping doesn't seem all that interesting." Mark On Apr 27, 2012, at 5:25 AM, Torben Scharling wrote: > I didn't mean you in particular Mark, I'm new to this mailing list = business. >=20 > So without mentioning any names, or quoting anyone, what I meant was: >=20 > I see a lot of jealousy, insecurities, hatred towards other people, = who are more successful than you. Perhaps even worse musicians, but way = better at giving audiences what they want/something they find = interesting enough to wanna share with their friends (and share on a = mailing list). >=20 > This guy is a "like", "share", "subscribe", "click on my ads" kind of = guy. He thrives on that - good for him. Doesn't mean you have to do the = same, just respect the fact that he's successful in doing what he's = doing. (And no, I'm not a fan of his btw.) >=20 > I mean, it's not like this guy is a phony or a con artist. I'm sure he = works hard with what he's got. He probably realized that he's not a = super-musician, and learned to draw on other skills.=20 >=20 > Bashing creativity, entertainment, and quite frankly something that = you, unless you pull the same kind of views or at least returning = subscribers, have no clue how to do yourselves - then I think trolling = is the appropriate word for it. >=20 > I went to a Reggie Watts concert recently here in Copenhagen. And this = by passer comment from another Danish guy that attended the show, stuck = in my head ever since; "it's just sad that he spends so much time = goofing around and not taking it seriously, (in reality) he's a great = musician, but he choses to rely on comedy".... >=20 > Now this relates back to that youtube video, and you guys that think = you're all that in terms of you music skills and looping magic: to each = his own, theres a place for everything, there are new forms of show = business, there are talented musicians/artists/entertainers who choose = to wrap their talents in different paper than you and your neighbor etc. >=20 > I could say a lot of horrible things about some of you guys music on = this mailing list, tell you how crappy your atmospheric sea of infinite = weirdo sounds and noises are nothing but a gimmick drowned in effects, = delays and reverbs to hide the fact, that your musical talents just = don't add up. But I won't, because I'm not a teenager anymore. >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 14:01:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1595E18345E; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:01:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xMJao7pd1aM1AWq9KwOyxQkVx4/sWdQ9zdSDhuKKToA=; b=FWN4jMO93Q+PNWb1SO7W3Ob8chGSeiBFNzNihHvAO7W/07j6ahpI0RSIvMKXocsDP6 YzHXakvfbRxbRiv65ZDBLUGr8eMVLJReGa3H23mPF4DqQGcZdm7Lsj7Wx8nmfAl132Zs gWWgIqXIxSz/unR5qCgJ3kMdtotQxhL0l7q67bqyEcl69pXeif8U+0+C6jXwoP760IGg TnsZK/Ctdpzvd8kdKTIgnZtBFznj1niufsBaOI/UUhM1IdJLwx+wIFhMZ3XmVttwaMGG GLnJyO01rr5N8vKpY3u7UoVgFpSz+INb2HQ07w5Mg90wmScgbYv+GBLbe21ijgq59sTA +vrQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> From: Torben Scharling Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:00:23 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:01:04 +0000 (UTC) Thank you for that post. We do understand each other after all :) On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > > Far better said than my message yesterday. > > And of course since without enough coffee I can't just leave it at that..= . ;-) > > Probably for as long as I've been on this list =97 been around musicians?= =97 I've seen people apply a definition of art that allows them to feel su= perior(?) to others, but then also resentful of their success. Entertaining= the audience isn't valued as art though it is what the audience values and= it is the audience that we are asking to part with their time, attention, = and money. > > Saying this is not to denigrate the work of people who don't pursue audie= nce entertainment. But don't bash people who do manage to entertain an audi= ence and reap the rewards of doing so. That isn't easy either. > > It is, however, quite reasonable to say "Clearly based on response this i= s appealing to a lot of people, but from a looping perspective, while it's = interesting to see live looping show up in something this popular, the actu= al looping doesn't seem all that interesting." > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 14:44:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E83A18345C; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:44:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com><5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com><1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CEF29B5A4DFE23_C1C_1B681_webmail-stg-d12.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36032-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEF29B5A44789F-C1C-64D1@webmail-stg-d12.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [151.201.54.94] Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:44:15 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1335537855; bh=QxKjszgY2uloUEpPeDqBHZnRHuBu1zhOTTnr/OITfgI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GozGBKe30gAlYl26b3w/PdXFuSVsCvEvydAJcsYHMeCJR7sgnhLCR59CV9Z0bTKHD WUqI+4m/HSTeDukdT7vVfQcoYPb5L4WTJYREsmM3AvGK1VRINu92jNsDkdPPDaglW2 Ll83zKVzlC3nX4yaP6QN9IryTkbBVzHL7DbWs9oY= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:317985216:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c4f9ab0bf1bb7 Resent-Message-ID: <9pttVD.A.v_B.GDrmPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:44:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CEF29B5A4DFE23_C1C_1B681_webmail-stg-d12.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" i luv LD.....(all that's missing is the S).....we're like a bunch of old la= dies ( i luvs the old ladies, tambien)..... talk about opinionated!.....mathias just lobs a (luv) bomb into the room an= d runs off.....and they say LD IS DEAD..... what good clean keep ya off the streets fun and it's for FREE.....that vid = was no 3,000,000 hitter and this comes from a guy who had many 1 hitters in his daze =20 =20 ----------MB_8CEF29B5A4DFE23_C1C_1B681_webmail-stg-d12.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
i luv LD.....(all that's missin= g is the S).....we're like a bunch of old ladies ( i luvs the old ladies, t= ambien).....

talk about opinionated!...= ..mathias just lobs a (luv) bomb into the room and runs off.....and they say= LD IS DEAD.....

what goo= d clean keep ya off the streets fun and it's for FREE.....that vid was no 3= ,000,000 hitter and this comes from

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----------MB_8CEF29B5A4DFE23_C1C_1B681_webmail-stg-d12.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 14:46:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 788DF18345E; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:46:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 485890.67318.bm@omp1008.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1335538005; bh=DH5gXQ9u291Ikt7ISrHE2TMuuFzFiItnHz6ub+NsO/I=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2fVNKqytyS6Uz9o79fXHKEvbRurEAJrkiuNx64KpLjzoPvgRXZpRetM0yfdBOpGvCltYcD0QIpOPVuvbGGKB2cvvMSTh6m4exAmOK62hCaBn74Mb++nkudvvroiMicdHdMiWD7zfQ/aKf9E73YmhlOuOUsh35s2f2MoU4c45g3g= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tx3bGfF8MR6HQWn1eZuIm3VNEOmcB4zcyF2BcoT/Ogi+ded8OxYQwYwpnMTYHu3QYXIulN4HyPeRNYQOxMGknHjYEGgk2PnLH3M+IIbsxriU1DR9z3Wh1dCqfWg2jKfmCJxptA5fzd+opM+SsoMPIShaqXAwNFOrpbm5l87MiBM=; X-YMail-OSG: AOz.iCgVM1kh5wBydwaJo0KaYBiNdJouMb0wCMxjxQcFdP5 UAWJcQgLo7efgtpv0HfNf3DvOvOqeKktcWeVpcAr4rEn2tUiqMKrQa1mREyh yw8NGSh9fiR8TrWMALTxyfo.IqcGS6jjM8DN6rEiiP0ImVUdedr.jlVy7J68 YkenVePzax0oT7jkyAMto0B6wSAUgmJRvqykmDQwxYl1fsnWH176J4TiqoCR HR0wKtyptT_CzHgTNDlgH9RXrQEObYkX8DQbqP1fY9ZKyxfJWyMm39SuiAec sSs_Td6B_VgNZ0KMPbMarC.hTZ7IY6O_eSOB3tUI5tFTMP4Ceu3x5dmy21zB EtHCVRxsz03dtX1ZveCxvrNEZJDwBmfVXCI6LgZ2iTWhi26V4VNuypjkOnQE Te1CmqO.ZvfUwdfJzdHc.k4MPBDBlPDJsciEnNPJfjAocmykp7EJtFDgrukg yXF4LoPFPHbcPR.rKvwL5qDeBVOdm4cO6zokHDOvJzicsVA.YJ7FS92vLc8A - X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1335538004.36417.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 07:46:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Reply-To: Paul Richards Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-2109272776-197799880-1335538004=:36417" Resent-Message-ID: <4VuwAD.A.fGC.WFrmPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:46:46 +0000 (UTC) ---2109272776-197799880-1335538004=:36417 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (I see a lot of jealousy, insecurities, hatred towards other people, who ar= e more successful than you.)=0A=A0=0AWhat a crock of sh*t! No, dude. I equa= te that musical nonsense with 'pop' horsepucky like "Keeping up with the Ka= rdashians", the musical prowess of Justin Beeber or the craftsmanship in th= e "Twilight" film series. =0A=A0=0AAnd,as I said before, these guys are jus= t copying song videos from the Flight of the Conchords minus the actual tal= ent.=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Torben Scharling =0ATo: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" =0ASent: Friday, April 27, 2012 8:25 AM=0ASu= bject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping=0A=0AI didn't mean you in partic= ular Mark, I'm new to this mailing list business.=0A=0ASo without mentionin= g any names, or quoting anyone, what I meant was:=0A=0AI see a lot of jealo= usy, insecurities, hatred towards other people, who are more successful tha= n you. Perhaps even worse musicians, but way better at giving audiences wha= t they want/something they find interesting enough to wanna share with thei= r friends (and share on a mailing list).=0A=0AThis guy is a "like", "share"= , "subscribe", "click on my ads" kind of guy. He thrives on that - good for= him. Doesn't mean you have to do the same, just respect the fact that he's= successful in doing what he's doing. (And no, I'm not a fan of his btw.)= =0A=0AI mean, it's not like this guy is a phony or a con artist. I'm sure h= e works hard with what he's got. He probably realized that he's not a super= -musician, and learned to draw on other skills. =0A=0ABashing creativity, e= ntertainment, and quite frankly something that you, unless you pull the sam= e kind of views or at least returning subscribers, have no clue how to do y= ourselves - then I think trolling is the appropriate word for it.=0A=0AI we= nt to a Reggie Watts concert recently here in Copenhagen. And this by passe= r comment from another Danish guy that attended the show, stuck in my head = ever since; "it's just sad that he spends so much time goofing around and n= ot taking it seriously, (in reality) he's a great musician, but he choses t= o rely on comedy"....=0A=0ANow this relates back to that youtube video, and= you guys that think you're all that in terms of you music skills and loopi= ng magic: to each his own, theres a place for everything, there are new for= ms of show business, there are talented musicians/artists/entertainers who = choose to wrap their talents in different paper than you and your neighbor = etc.=0A=0AI could say a lot of horrible things about some of you guys music= on this mailing list, tell you how crappy your atmospheric sea of infinite= weirdo sounds and noises are nothing but a gimmick drowned in effects, del= ays and=A0 reverbs to hide the fact, that your musical talents just don't a= dd up. But I won't, because I'm not a teenager anymore. ---2109272776-197799880-1335538004=:36417 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
(I see a lot of jealousy, insecurities, h= atred towards other people, who are more successful than you.)
 
What a crock of sh*t= ! No, dude. I equate that musical nonsense with 'pop' horsepucky like "Keep= ing up with the Kardashians", the musical prowess of Justin Beeber or the c= raftsmanship in the "Twilight" film series.
 
And,as I said before= , these guys are just copying song videos from the Flight of the Conchords = minus the actual talent.

From:= Torben Scharling <torbenscharling@gmail.com>
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight= .com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: 3 million hits with li= velooping

I didn't mean you in particular Mark, I'm new= to this mailing list business.

So without mentioning any names, or = quoting anyone, what I meant was:

I see a lot of jealousy, insecurit= ies, hatred towards other people, who are more successful than you. Perhaps even worse= musicians, but way better at giving audiences what they want/something the= y find interesting enough to wanna share with their friends (and share on a= mailing list).

This guy is a "like", "share", "subscribe", "click o= n my ads" kind of guy. He thrives on that - good for him. Doesn't mean you = have to do the same, just respect the fact that he's successful in doing wh= at he's doing. (And no, I'm not a fan of his btw.)

I mean, it's not = like this guy is a phony or a con artist. I'm sure he works hard with what = he's got. He probably realized that he's not a super-musician, and learned = to draw on other skills.

Bashing creativity, entertainment, and qui= te frankly something that you, unless you pull the same kind of views or at= least returning subscribers, have no clue how to do yourselves - then I th= ink trolling is the appropriate word for it.

I went to a Reggie Watts concert recently here in Copenhagen. And this by passer comme= nt from another Danish guy that attended the show, stuck in my head ever si= nce; "it's just sad that he spends so much time goofing around and not taki= ng it seriously, (in reality) he's a great musician, but he choses to rely = on comedy"....

Now this relates back to that youtube video, and you = guys that think you're all that in terms of you music skills and looping ma= gic: to each his own, theres a place for everything, there are new forms of= show business, there are talented musicians/artists/entertainers who choos= e to wrap their talents in different paper than you and your neighbor etc.<= BR>
I could say a lot of horrible things about some of you guys music on= this mailing list, tell you how crappy your atmospheric sea of infinite we= irdo sounds and noises are nothing but a gimmick drowned in effects, delays= and  reverbs to hide the fact, that your musical talents just don't add up. But I won't, because I'm not a teenager anymore.


=

---2109272776-197799880-1335538004=:36417-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 15:30:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A548A18345D; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:30:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=psWcb5N98119OaOi9bjyg15qVElTHlpKZyP+LUQnThs= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=ke1qq8SctQFJRyKFA08A:9 a=0X0Q2rmwbdP8jBacTNEA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:30:21 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <85105E27-F258-4760-B43A-4413A451D0A7@charter.net> References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <598AQC.A.3lC.PurmPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:30:23 +0000 (UTC) Torben, I think that quite possibly you are reading a lot into the responses to = the video. Maybe...maybe not. There is a context to everything and sometimes that context might not be = apparent. Trolling? I'm an old fart and don't even know what that term (?) means. I was probably first to respond to Matthi's post anyway, so I may be = somewhat guilty of something or another. Matthias, who originally posted the link, is the inventor of the EDP and = (in the absence of the late Kim Flint) is as near to a "Founding Father" = as this list has. He and I know each other, I too have been on this list nearly as long as = it has existed myself (since 1996) so it is all like a very big long = conversation between us indeed. I am afraid that I am probably guilty of replying to his link-posting as = frankly as as a private conversation between two old acquaintances = rather than being especially conscious that it is like "a big room" with = a lot of people in it to overhear. Did someone's undies get in a bunch because of it? I am sorry for that. Nothing personal was meant by it. I did not mean to be any more dismissive to the video in question than I = am to "pop culture" in general. I would have similarly dismissed the late Michael Freeking Jackson. It's just not where my interests lie. Matthi's post was "What do you think of this?" (or something to that = effect). And I gave him the same brief, frank, candid answer I might have given = if the conversation had been in private, I guess. If that was an internet faux pas, I guess I am guilty as charged. Am I a talentless od git poser for having done so? Sometimes that is exactly what I feel like, personally - but for other, = rather more obscure reasons. But I know I can do a few things extraordinarily well, and exactly in = the area that interests me - so I am happy and contented with that. It seems like someone is taking this critique of a mere YouTube video = far too seriously and personally - making much more of it than is = warranted. It's like (in our various responses) we had deliberately kicked your = puppy or something. Sorry about my lack of circumspection in my comments. But give us a break...huh? Peace, Ted On Apr 27, 2012, at 5:25 AM, Torben Scharling wrote: > I didn't mean you in particular Mark, I'm new to this mailing list = business. >=20 > So without mentioning any names, or quoting anyone, what I meant was: >=20 > I see a lot of jealousy, insecurities, hatred towards other people, = who are more successful than you. Perhaps even worse musicians, but way = better at giving audiences what they want/something they find = interesting enough to wanna share with their friends (and share on a = mailing list). >=20 > This guy is a "like", "share", "subscribe", "click on my ads" kind of = guy. He thrives on that - good for him. Doesn't mean you have to do the = same, just respect the fact that he's successful in doing what he's = doing. (And no, I'm not a fan of his btw.) >=20 > I mean, it's not like this guy is a phony or a con artist. I'm sure he = works hard with what he's got. He probably realized that he's not a = super-musician, and learned to draw on other skills.=20 >=20 > Bashing creativity, entertainment, and quite frankly something that = you, unless you pull the same kind of views or at least returning = subscribers, have no clue how to do yourselves - then I think trolling = is the appropriate word for it. >=20 > I went to a Reggie Watts concert recently here in Copenhagen. And this = by passer comment from another Danish guy that attended the show, stuck = in my head ever since; "it's just sad that he spends so much time = goofing around and not taking it seriously, (in reality) he's a great = musician, but he choses to rely on comedy".... >=20 > Now this relates back to that youtube video, and you guys that think = you're all that in terms of you music skills and looping magic: to each = his own, theres a place for everything, there are new forms of show = business, there are talented musicians/artists/entertainers who choose = to wrap their talents in different paper than you and your neighbor etc. >=20 > I could say a lot of horrible things about some of you guys music on = this mailing list, tell you how crappy your atmospheric sea of infinite = weirdo sounds and noises are nothing but a gimmick drowned in effects, = delays and reverbs to hide the fact, that your musical talents just = don't add up. But I won't, because I'm not a teenager anymore. >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 15:55:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BAC7183460; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:55:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Carsten Wegener Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-79-752624658 Subject: Re: Echoplex Problem Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:55:10 +0200 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: <37C363AB-A7AF-4F28-BFD7-B5F92C722726@tyfoo.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:55:11 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-79-752624658 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi philip, what do you mean "triggering it"? I do a press on the footpedal.=20 The sampler style is set on "Start". That setting should not stop the = loop. Regards=20 Carsten Am 27.04.2012 um 11:42 schrieb phillip wilson: > how are you triggering it? >=20 > if sounds kinda like you are in one of the Sampler Styles that plays = once and then mutes. > this could come from bad midi info if you have your offsets set wrong = or similar? >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 > > From: carsten@tyfoo.de > > Subject: Echoplex Problem > > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:30:05 +0200 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >=20 > > Hi, > >=20 > > I am using an Echoplex Digital Pro with the LoopIV Upgrade. I am = having the problem, that my machine has the following behaviour: always = after switching on it plays an recorded loop once and then "stops" or = mutes. All the lights are green after that. > > I can change that only by resetting the EDP, but than i have to = reinstall all my preferences every time. > > Do you have an idea? > >=20 > > Thanks a lot for your help > >=20 > > Carsten --Apple-Mail-79-752624658 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hi philip,

what do you mean = "triggering it"? I do a press on the footpedal. 
The = sampler style is set on "Start". That setting should not stop the = loop.

Regards 

Cars= ten

Am 27.04.2012 um 11:42 schrieb phillip = wilson:

how are you triggering it?

if = sounds kinda like you are in one of the Sampler Styles that plays once = and then mutes.
this could come from bad midi info if you have = your offsets set wrong or = similar?

 


> From: carsten@tyfoo.de
> Subject: = Echoplex Problem
> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:30:05 +0200
> = To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am using an = Echoplex Digital Pro with the LoopIV Upgrade. I am having the problem, = that my machine has the following behaviour: always after switching on = it plays an recorded loop once and then "stops" or mutes. All the lights = are green after that.
> I can change that only by resetting the = EDP, but than i have to reinstall all my preferences every time.
> = Do you have an idea?
> 
> Thanks a lot for = your help
> 
> = Carsten

= --Apple-Mail-79-752624658-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 16:19:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE86018345D; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:19:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=gfQM33KLDG3xJ+5NHv5+vQO6oDTHlwvE5pRAEbOx+Ac=; b=d+RfPI9uNkpiquJeViMVd02Uh2m3Dt6j0xDiM4+tDjAQNmJBovJT5Ga693bHPUCe0E g0zzPA6Hjv/clJ7nuP4UX809MC5PmOmveJQ+6IWCBWKccHRfIzMO2pqSfOp2BPuK0jXO X5mSr2Bq9JaBpIJVlzipx7MGG+z3RwmiZ8gKuECiv6Uzi6HVfg5Skb6oBkAebLq/pqU2 1tGcZD+yr9MBG8xURqVejecjn2U8RUgnJ0FlsDnecTP9LsUITaalqx3Qu7mN3uv9opzN 4hnQDgPgTAwiijZYMfoCWyczPDzjde/Af/bgNYCrrQNkL+XfNbez9wEaKb7g0j2aMF1i vP5Q== Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> <85105E27-F258-4760-B43A-4413A451D0A7@charter.net> From: Torben Scharling Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <85105E27-F258-4760-B43A-4413A451D0A7@charter.net> Message-Id: <8E2D58F7-154E-4F9E-8564-66D8F44A8F03@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:21:43 +0200 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:19:57 +0000 (UTC) Sure, but not all of us have a long (public) career in this business behind u= s. And if one thing, I think talented new artists should be respected and he= lped, so even though I have nothing to do with that video, I would hate that= that was the comments I got, had I been in his shoes. And yes these comment= s are very public, too. Let's face it, these days there is a lot more outlets to the public/fans tha= n in the old days when it was about getting on the radio or releasing a phys= ical album. And those outlets (can) have different types of audiences. So pe= ople who are very good at doing "the youtube thing" which I relate to the wh= ole "people get to know you, you talk to the camera, you ask the fans/suscri= bers something that they'll reply to in the comments, you have your own "sho= w" etc. - those people have chosen to do th=C3=A1t kind of entertainment. So= it's also about where creators focus is. Look guys you can write what you want, I'm just saying that it says a lot ab= out you/the way you think, and that perhaps you should think about how you v= iew other peoples "talents" and efforts, and how you phrase it publicly.= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 16:22:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1336183460; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:22:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Iy+zJxv6Ej9GmnnjODBrr05tJwEgdJNyCsBwZ456rn4=; b=n7tVlVB+PgsJKtC0n7Ouhy3f4VZO1YxsJcKzsOtvmJ3Lv1EriNSj6oxESdz31qbBcn jwWKNHCUOlPNiU+ShORDAiPtMfu5KC3vuS72Tfg/h8FGyVjPT/m56NslRX5lbFy6oR0S Aer8lwZ2EcScOGI0ThyCEU3x6fpTAMbnCF93D+/+ZGRlYA0F8bE2zX25S2Zx5kBOxRI1 n9x/kcQsUtV3McBWHOEygEzJyFRlQ/SBScxiMSdwTuT3eqSSUfrE4yr2RhSvfQVSgiw/ FI/paLhQYtlBTEXfqBR/SOUo0g6bCRKrntLVNgdLZD6pb2CeydgmzZyo2km56wDGv9e+ nL1g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:22:51 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044468ff14417e04beab8447 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:22:52 +0000 (UTC) --f46d044468ff14417e04beab8447 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Now it's about me! Damn! I've been trolled! :) J On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Torben Scharling wrote: "how crappy your atmospheric sea of infinite weirdo sounds and noises are nothing but a gimmick drowned in effects, delays and reverbs to hide the fact, that your musical talents just don't add up." --f46d044468ff14417e04beab8447 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Now it's about me! Damn! I've been troll= ed! :)

J

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 8= :25 AM, Torben Scharling <torbenscharling@gmail.com>= wrote:

"how crappy your atmospheric sea of infinite weirdo sounds and noi= ses are nothing but a gimmick drowned in effects, delays and =A0reverbs to hide=20 the fact, that your musical talents just don't add up."
--f46d044468ff14417e04beab8447-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 16:30:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3BA2183477; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:30:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=mvkyULVe+dhYfIMfRMoACnlEF7+CS1hiTA/hU4xvNVE=; b=S3nrhRxm/Dj1sKwR0HGadUCmuneBuuiFOo3iWBQDsPzr/LIXHQlnwqZJicPXbioPqj b7j/UJ3aHgSfdTgYF2GYpdgjG/NRVHvdZrmfADJu9S7IVRW0nAb+ApWKCixDVblvyzKm JQTjaF83Qv7r6Qzht/uk16CxPT2IDGndLmYm5UU3YDPnx4IGw09eJRjJ+a9v0XbdSONL eQOvcorrANlO440sXNgDBLeSl0UYq7/edaUmVnD4Zos70KDp9/iBZnuxMFissLG6zEPB 6McVQ+wtMZ1Z5pmHJStdQUSQgvuP/Y75p/Gj3sJqPBQuXxtq6yhCzhqYUsie8FuszJMW 70TQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8E2D58F7-154E-4F9E-8564-66D8F44A8F03@gmail.com> References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> <85105E27-F258-4760-B43A-4413A451D0A7@charter.net> <8E2D58F7-154E-4F9E-8564-66D8F44A8F03@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:30:36 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54a3df4cfa90104beab9f93 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:30:37 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec54a3df4cfa90104beab9f93 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Now it's about me! Damnit! :) J On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Torben Scharling wrote: "how crappy your atmospheric sea of infinite weirdo sounds and noises are nothing but a gimmick drowned in effects, delays and reverbs to hide the fact, that your musical talents just don't add up." --bcaec54a3df4cfa90104beab9f93 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Now it's abou= t me! Damnit! :)

J

On Fri, Apr 27,= 2012 at 8:25 AM, Torben Scharling <torbenscharling@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:

"how crappy your atmospheric sea of infinite weirdo sounds and noi= ses are nothing but a gimmick drowned in effects, delays and =A0reverbs to hide=20 the fact, that your musical talents just don't add up."
--bcaec54a3df4cfa90104beab9f93-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 16:36:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8A9F183473; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:35:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=i7IA8ZPRJy8fEYUxQ4ukF8e6q4rC9UoSm47/RvxKw3c=; b=Fm/WXUru8jd2rc0E0xxQrk5UbRpWvAzm7B334ccXbWiN9jpvaQKgaI0j+9NyenM7of V0yoI56g697MkVauhsKhvUpbqnHPWviYew2s/LIo5iHoOjZILrLc9i94pJeTblEWusFj oHJYdTvJNAfsuGkoS+QXyFR5xyvnyWHLvTrdZ1a1/dEZa9YlQR8axeQlRC+Qg8k4ZHKr mBy2JuuZI0UfBo0ksEenRT558Y9qistCB+2ZjX9jMdW4NBV+oXDswpwaaeU9DET5h7oe cf03m6wTxTfiA+0y7klAle14nzMZAOPtGFjmQpp1fdvfymV2+N7JRrsM9ZWlXtifto1f wDNw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> <85105E27-F258-4760-B43A-4413A451D0A7@charter.net> <8E2D58F7-154E-4F9E-8564-66D8F44A8F03@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:35:58 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:35:59 +0000 (UTC) Meanwhile, Todd is enjoying his popcorn :) R On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: > > Now it's about me! Damnit! :) > > J > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Torben Scharling > wrote: > > "how crappy your atmospheric sea of infinite weirdo sounds and noises are > nothing but a gimmick drowned in effects, delays and =A0reverbs to hide t= he > fact, that your musical talents just don't add up." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 16:40:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42BB5183464; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:40:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_4138921e-f2c9-4dc4-918e-874318a67e40_" X-Originating-IP: [62.7.183.6] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: 3 million hits with livelooping Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:40:12 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net>,<6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com>,,<5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com>,<1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>,<99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com>,<1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>,,<1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>,,,,<5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid>,<1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com>,<85105E27-F258-4760-B43A-4413A451D0A7@charter.net>,<8E2D58F7-154E-4F9E-8564-66D8F44A8F03@gmail.com>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Apr 2012 16:40:12.0100 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A500040:01CD2494] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:40:13 +0000 (UTC) --_4138921e-f2c9-4dc4-918e-874318a67e40_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well I could listen to your stuff all day Jeff and I stopped this video aft= er probably less than a minute. It's jut a matter of taste. I happen to lik= e abstract sound or"weirdo sounds and noises".Each to his own though eh?God= help us if we can't be honest about what we think. The well-worn Voltaire = quote comes to mind.. peace G Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk Date: Fri=2C 27 Apr 2012 12:30:36 -0400 Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping From: jeffloops@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Now it's about me! Damnit! :) J On Fri=2C Apr 27=2C 2012 at 8:25 AM=2C Torben Scharling wrote: "how crappy your atmospheric sea of infinite weirdo sounds and noises are nothing but a gimmick drowned in effects=2C delays and reverbs to hide=20 the fact=2C that your musical talents just don't add up." = --_4138921e-f2c9-4dc4-918e-874318a67e40_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well I could listen to your stuff all day Jeff and I stopped this video aft= er probably less than a minute. It's jut a matter of taste. I happen to lik= e abstract sound or"weirdo sounds and noises".
Each to his own though e= h?
God help us if we can't be honest about what we think. The wel= l-worn Voltaire quote comes to mind..

peace
<= div>
G

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
Date: F= ri=2C 27 Apr 2012 12:30:36 -0400
Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelo= oping
From: jeffloops@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.c= om


N= ow it's about me! Damnit! :)

J

= On Fri=2C Apr 27=2C 2012 at 8:25 AM=2C Torben Scharling &= lt=3Btorbenscharling@gmail.com= >=3B wrote:

"how crappy your atmospheric sea of infinite weirdo sounds and noises a= re nothing but a gimmick drowned in effects=2C delays and  =3Breverbs to = hide=20 the fact=2C that your musical talents just don't add up."
=
= --_4138921e-f2c9-4dc4-918e-874318a67e40_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 17:04:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C516183465; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:04:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4lgfuoJLpwVy2+VWW49NlERHSTPPVleu04370sNWvHY=; b=qzy0Y/FO7ZBnCe89oYjmkzfgCBL5LRh/eU9YDulwDt3isWZsTzksxvDTUsF5O4g/qe ygryEBdckqVzG0qDgWFh36pn6dpVldgTAfSlk1tZkx0OBkqEw5bVhqfSxDyVaWXaC070 hSHEKySb8crN4xQT9OBWMbbMP1xrd81JWI/RUmEcNbNUeBuMiVX2tLVYBzkzbZUPYOKw 8+kL+iWkTvZ1bivUVl8+ycgw2xC5OVZBOawMS32lnfJG5jZ2tQutLDrGOC5e8Q+LZNrd 4KKfd0/nTY012CH25FlRW9Toj9lk/JpjJqMRw0aJo/2fxMqIhOB1LRStcZwLQ/EaKlp5 ZweA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <37C363AB-A7AF-4F28-BFD7-B5F92C722726@tyfoo.de> References: <37C363AB-A7AF-4F28-BFD7-B5F92C722726@tyfoo.de> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:04:01 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Echoplex Problem From: Marcus Kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04428dca531b3504beac1740 Resent-Message-ID: <1R31aB.A.mGE.DGtmPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:04:03 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04428dca531b3504beac1740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It would stop after the first play, if you're in one-shot mode. Try doing a reset. On Apr 27, 2012 10:55 AM, "Carsten Wegener" wrote: > Hi philip, > > what do you mean "triggering it"? I do a press on the footpedal. > The sampler style is set on "Start". That setting should not stop the loop. > > Regards > > Carsten > > Am 27.04.2012 um 11:42 schrieb phillip wilson: > > how are you triggering it? > > if sounds kinda like you are in one of the Sampler Styles that plays once > and then mutes. > this could come from bad midi info if you have your offsets set wrong or > similar? > > > > > > From: carsten@tyfoo.de > > Subject: Echoplex Problem > > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:30:05 +0200 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > Hi, > > > > I am using an Echoplex Digital Pro with the LoopIV Upgrade. I am having > the problem, that my machine has the following behaviour: always after > switching on it plays an recorded loop once and then "stops" or mutes. All > the lights are green after that. > > I can change that only by resetting the EDP, but than i have to > reinstall all my preferences every time. > > Do you have an idea? > > > > Thanks a lot for your help > > > > Carsten > > > --f46d04428dca531b3504beac1740 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It would stop after the first play, if you're in one-shot mode.

Try doing a reset.

On Apr 27, 2012 10:55 AM, "Carsten Wegener&= quot; <carsten@tyfoo.de> wrot= e:
Hi philip,

what do y= ou mean "triggering it"? I do a press on the footpedal.=A0
<= div>The sampler style is set on "Start". That setting should not = stop the loop.

Regards=A0

Carsten
<= br>
Am 27.04.2012 um 11:42 schrieb phillip wilson:

how are you triggering it?

if sounds ki= nda like you are in one of the Sampler Styles that plays once and then mute= s.
this could come from bad midi info if you have your offsets se= t wrong or similar?

=A0


> From:= =A0carsten@tyf= oo.de
> Subject: Echoplex Problem
> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 = 11:30:05 +0200
> To:=A0Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>= =A0
> Hi,
>=A0
> I am using an Echopl= ex Digital Pro with the LoopIV Upgrade. I am having the problem, that my ma= chine has the following behaviour: always after switching on it plays an re= corded loop once and then "stops" or mutes. All the lights are gr= een after that.
> I can change that only by resetting the EDP, but than i have to reinst= all all my preferences every time.
> Do you have an idea?
>=A0
> Thanks a lot for your help
>=A0
> Carsten

--f46d04428dca531b3504beac1740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 17:31:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4F7218345A; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:31:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ITSGA/p0t4puQT6oAwBpLnVfaOUCkK53WSJeW8aPHZA=; b=ib5fcifMbEbirWPL2BOMIfohzcW71qXIOywdpAxRPzTH4q+zrjTALGmhGgwuPPcib7 7RAkprTF0d9tjM4zLCB0RaFx9BRfowJJattnzF6dFisxOLw1P9E1jP1zqUjYN5KfjxeY 3/a0rsH9zLP7tT3rIxxUSVOSbbySH07NcTgQZiLyJD0jnyXlSyjWDLAMFk2lN3RSTh4P 9zM97uMLXHhMiEsT3bruEwpy1PevugTc+mnoWMqWcbCZ5ahTL1gjHIpFZI6tUhu2u0/O uqtAhntKd7n7Eu2jXiWQuUgCCsEcl/IkYBhst3AlkooefJa51IH0oelzQ6B9tNwKAEGD 9cIw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:31:18 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04446c59e7156904beac78a4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:31:19 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04446c59e7156904beac78a4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Torben, I'll agree with you that there's a certain level of jealousy from us "folks who've been around for a few years", but my take on it is a bit different than yours. If someone is successful because they are talented and hardworking, I think most people (except for trolls) are ok with that. However, if you're someone who has put some years of work into learning your craft, and someone gets successful at it solely on the virtue of being young and "hip", it gets a bit harder to get behind. It's a frustrating statement on the world of public taste that most listeners don't always flock to the highest quality work - they flock to what is trending. I see this video and I see a couple college kids having fun, and I don't begrudge them for that. However, if this suddenly became the #1 clip on youtube and people started going to looping shows and saying "That's awesome - it's almost as good as that clip with the guy who wears sunglasses indoors and does a silly dance! Wow - now that guy is a talented looper!", I'd start to get depressed about it. It's kind of like the "Girls and Ukeleles" phenomenon. If you want to be an internet hit, be a cute girl between the ages of 16 and 23, and spend 10 minutes learning how to play something on a ukelele. Post it on youtube. Boingboing.net will put it on their blog and you'll instantly have lots of views. However, women and men who strive to develop an actual talent with their instruments have to work much harder to get noticed. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 5:25 AM, Torben Scharling wrote: > > > So without mentioning any names, or quoting anyone, what I meant was: > > I see a lot of jealousy, insecurities, hatred towards other people, who > are more successful than you. Perhaps even worse musicians, but way better > at giving audiences what they want/something they find interesting enough > to wanna share with their friends (and share on a mailing list). > > This guy is a "like", "share", "subscribe", "click on my ads" kind of guy. > He thrives on that - good for him. Doesn't mean you have to do the same, > just respect the fact that he's successful in doing what he's doing. (And > no, I'm not a fan of his btw.) > > I mean, it's not like this guy is a phony or a con artist. I'm sure he > works hard with what he's got. He probably realized that he's not a > super-musician, and learned to draw on other skills. > > Bashing creativity, entertainment, and quite frankly something that you, > unless you pull the same kind of views or at least returning subscribers, > have no clue how to do yourselves - then I think trolling is the > appropriate word for it. > > --f46d04446c59e7156904beac78a4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Torben,

I'll agree with you that = there's a certain level of jealousy from us "folks who've been= around for a few years", but my take on it is a bit different than yo= urs.

If someone is successful because they are talented and hardworking, I t= hink most people (except for trolls) are ok with that. However, if you'= re someone who has put some years of work into learning your craft, and som= eone gets successful at it solely on the virtue of being young and "hi= p", it gets a bit harder to get behind. It's a frustrating stateme= nt on the world of public taste that most listeners don't always flock = to the highest quality work - they flock to what is trending.

I see this video and I see a couple college kids having fun, and I don&= #39;t begrudge them for that. However, if this suddenly became the #1 clip = on youtube and people started going to looping shows and saying "That&= #39;s awesome - it's almost as good as that clip with the guy who wears= sunglasses indoors and does a silly dance! Wow - now that guy is a talente= d looper!", I'd start to get depressed about it.=A0

It's kind of like the "Girls and Ukeleles" phenomenon. If= you want to be an internet hit, be a cute girl between the ages of 16 and = 23, and spend 10 minutes learning how to play something on a ukelele. Post = it on youtube. Boingboing.net will put it on their blog and you'll inst= antly have lots of views. However, women and men who strive to develop an a= ctual talent with their instruments have to work much harder to get noticed= .


--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
Podcast! http://ribosomema= tt.podomatic.com


On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 5:25 AM, Torben = Scharling <torbenscharling@gmail.com> wrote:


So without mentioning any names, or quoting anyone, what I meant was:

I see a lot of jealousy, insecurities, hatred towards other people, who are= more successful than you. Perhaps even worse musicians, but way better at = giving audiences what they want/something they find interesting enough to w= anna share with their friends (and share on a mailing list).

This guy is a "like", "share", "subscribe", &= quot;click on my ads" kind of guy. He thrives on that - good for him. = Doesn't mean you have to do the same, just respect the fact that he'= ;s successful in doing what he's doing. (And no, I'm not a fan of h= is btw.)

I mean, it's not like this guy is a phony or a con artist. I'm sure= he works hard with what he's got. He probably realized that he's n= ot a super-musician, and learned to draw on other skills.

Bashing creativity, entertainment, and quite frankly something that you, un= less you pull the same kind of views or at least returning subscribers, hav= e no clue how to do yourselves - then I think trolling is the appropriate w= ord for it.





--f46d04446c59e7156904beac78a4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 17:35:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5A6C183462; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:35:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=y1DfU0g9liEOpIMTdYi5M7Ic/DX7DD9lifpgXKkVddA=; b=y9JFRr15o4Av1IztQfNQwz2WbrIoXdIry/1Wf1E/wjWreGK1LeVOV2gO/W6b9yBHVQ dbG4dm2sqz+buqPQD3ykn+5s8h9MWDsblBXLpuJnsPscZBKgJCLWrSQu9XqPm9Jdl+eO T2m9gxo7RvBLGd7YYa5rIHtCUQ2VNciwcUqM6pKvt9Q+8FQw4AUuXIndmfpHlN5ZS2xc oE7xWVwkI2c/SZgDWgfFMkbOf0Ry5aNt/7SGwdZfbs1odlv8uMTCAOPSyHTMrRd/s3Gw JQCQzOF7gPTmBpeh1j6V9LwRwhtjm7fgaI696pt22qlooNcSfufwyLszSgGqSumayR3h Yypg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> <85105E27-F258-4760-B43A-4413A451D0A7@charter.net> <8E2D58F7-154E-4F9E-8564-66D8F44A8F03@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:35:38 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54a3df464501404beac881e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:35:40 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec54a3df464501404beac881e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Oh gosh! Thanks Gareth! This is the best thread in a while, I sometimes miss the old days when there were some real knock down drag out battles here :) On the vid, well not my cup 'o java ya know but more power to em! It does not affect my little world a bit :) No time left for the "nattering nabobs of negativity"! peace out, Jeff On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > Well I could listen to your stuff all day Jeff and I stopped this video > after probably less than a minute. It's jut a matter of taste. I happen to > like abstract sound or"weirdo sounds and noises". > Each to his own though eh? > God help us if we can't be honest about what we think. The well-worn > Voltaire quote comes to mind.. > > peace > > G > > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > > ------------------------------ > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:30:36 -0400 > Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping > From: jeffloops@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Now it's about me! Damnit! :) > > J > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Torben Scharling < > torbenscharling@gmail.com> wrote: > > "how crappy your atmospheric sea of infinite weirdo sounds and noises are > nothing but a gimmick drowned in effects, delays and reverbs to hide the > fact, that your musical talents just don't add up." > --bcaec54a3df464501404beac881e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Oh gosh! Thanks Gareth! This is the best thread = in a while, I sometimes miss the old days when there were some real knock d= own drag out battles here :)

On the vid, well not my cup 'o java= ya know but more power to em! It does not affect my little world a bit :) = No time left for the "nattering nabobs of negativity"!

peace out,

Jeff

On Fri, Apr 27= , 2012 at 12:40 PM, Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk&g= t; wrote:
Well I could listen to your stuff all day Jeff and I stopped this video aft= er probably less than a minute. It's jut a matter of taste. I happen to= like abstract sound or"weirdo sounds and noises".
Each to hi= s own though eh?
God help us if we can't be honest about what we think. The well-wo= rn Voltaire quote comes to mind..

peace
=
G

Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:30:36 -0400
Subject: R= e: 3 million hits with livelooping
From: jeffloops@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loop= ers-delight.com


Now it's about me! Damnit! :)

J

On= Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Torben Scharling <torbenscharling@g= mail.com> wrote:

"how crappy your atmospheric sea of infinite weirdo sounds and noi= ses are nothing but a gimmick drowned in effects, delays and =A0reverbs to hide=20 the fact, that your musical talents just don't add up."

--bcaec54a3df464501404beac881e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 17:40:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67186183462; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:40:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Carsten Wegener Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-82-758926424 Subject: Re: Echoplex Problem Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:40:11 +0200 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <37C363AB-A7AF-4F28-BFD7-B5F92C722726@tyfoo.de> Message-Id: <39B0C73B-E4E9-46D5-90BD-655B7706F73D@tyfoo.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:40:14 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-82-758926424 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I did a reset, then it works. But I have make all my settings again.=20 After shutting down the EDP it=B4s the same again with the problem.... Am 27.04.2012 um 19:04 schrieb Marcus Kirby: > It would stop after the first play, if you're in one-shot mode. >=20 > Try doing a reset. >=20 > On Apr 27, 2012 10:55 AM, "Carsten Wegener" wrote: > Hi philip, >=20 > what do you mean "triggering it"? I do a press on the footpedal.=20 > The sampler style is set on "Start". That setting should not stop the = loop. >=20 > Regards=20 >=20 > Carsten >=20 > Am 27.04.2012 um 11:42 schrieb phillip wilson: >=20 >> how are you triggering it? >>=20 >> if sounds kinda like you are in one of the Sampler Styles that plays = once and then mutes. >> this could come from bad midi info if you have your offsets set wrong = or similar? >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >>=20 >> > From: carsten@tyfoo.de >> > Subject: Echoplex Problem >> > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:30:05 +0200 >> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >=20 >> > Hi, >> >=20 >> > I am using an Echoplex Digital Pro with the LoopIV Upgrade. I am = having the problem, that my machine has the following behaviour: always = after switching on it plays an recorded loop once and then "stops" or = mutes. All the lights are green after that. >> > I can change that only by resetting the EDP, but than i have to = reinstall all my preferences every time. >> > Do you have an idea? >> >=20 >> > Thanks a lot for your help >> >=20 >> > Carsten >=20 --Apple-Mail-82-758926424 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 I did = a reset, then it works. But I have make all my settings = again. 
After shutting down the EDP it=B4s the same again with = the problem....

Am 27.04.2012 um 19:04 schrieb = Marcus Kirby:

It would stop after the first play, if you're in = one-shot mode.

Try doing a reset.

On Apr 27, 2012 10:55 AM, "Carsten Wegener" = <carsten@tyfoo.de> = wrote:
Hi philip,

what = do you mean "triggering it"? I do a press on the = footpedal. 
The sampler style is set on "Start". That = setting should not stop the loop.
=

Regards 

Carsten

Am 27.04.2012 um 11:42 schrieb phillip = wilson:

how are you triggering it?

if sounds = kinda like you are in one of the Sampler Styles that plays once and then = mutes.
this could come from bad midi info if you have your = offsets set wrong or similar?

 


> = From: carsten@tyfoo.de
> Subject: Echoplex = Problem
> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:30:05 +0200
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>&nb= sp;
> Hi,
> 
> I am using an = Echoplex Digital Pro with the LoopIV Upgrade. I am having the problem, = that my machine has the following behaviour: always after switching on = it plays an recorded loop once and then "stops" or mutes. All the lights = are green after that.
> I can change that only by resetting the EDP, but than i have to = reinstall all my preferences every time.
> Do you have an = idea?
> 
> Thanks a lot for your = help
> 
> = Carsten


= --Apple-Mail-82-758926424-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 17:51:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 160F2183462; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:51:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3x09@carlsonarts.com> X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 152593.89635.bm@omp1020.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1335549021; bh=uqx10YSFsbXgL+MgUXPWeAL/m9gsezyHytzvnZ1xs8w=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer; b=z3FtMZGKKZPAQlJktRmswXYBSdOCkAHqirMXLmCu0cStWCzSz4GCqZ1OQDVK84SOpBzunC2lvIe7WWDAqDNONN/X5iTXWCVYXTUjgfs9OavZV7Gvtvd+lPgT8rxmIiq1EkhY6wiLweo/fYPlojjNxZ1cL3Jc9yk1hqFC3cEeJLo= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 8vp2W20VM1nGvVT_eu5_Swel4.R6gBxS0GXAN9jSVPzFq5A UVY98ecwbmwqgGBPYOrci7gDGgUEUH4vbvD4TSNt27AzNIe003XyeLpzFs4Q JPaEDXlvi66uHZ7WZKcLP79Dw4Zl1qJ722w9_9kQkBtmJJD1hu6uxhexaBZY zDvGOPZgQfE73GBCgyzn.9Sw54h9LlJ6_k6iEafXiKgUujMRO6sJJNbblgXo CwPqNfnPjFpihCaABE5PBuhQYDKKNVe3yB5mZjBs3uVcnT4DGVIpobBie7j1 3zmz4NwG9o2NbCHxXE0O0pRLnhNNOKjPMOfzRbW_E_Gvw5To5mYRpJRkcDK5 zbqT1YDyguWgyY9tN8GhH2K9gPiUxu.WPirT4eaOwFq_a.EaMne_Gwe0I1DA HhjMsikAIrtCnQINhS5x8v2AtrMeu7GNwliq3He2d.dURjshOkOAR3Ny5bR0 5tPGbImeIiBAUz8Kr6jmrBxGShQdov7PV X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F From: TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-759534557 Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:50:19 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> Message-Id: <96B7694C-74CB-4B78-8F69-D9D41A8485AF@carlsonarts.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:51:22 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-759534557 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dang, I'm not a cute girl, I've over 23, and I don't play ukelele. I = guess I'm doomed to internet obscurity. =20 Michael Carlson (TripleOhNine) On Apr 27, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Matt Davignon wrote: > It's kind of like the "Girls and Ukeleles" phenomenon. If you want to = be an internet hit, be a cute girl between the ages of 16 and 23, and = spend 10 minutes learning how to play something on a ukelele. Post it on = youtube. Boingboing.net will put it on their blog and you'll instantly = have lots of views. However, women and men who strive to develop an = actual talent with their instruments have to work much harder to get = noticed. --Apple-Mail-1-759534557 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Dang, = I'm not a cute girl, I've over 23, and I don't play ukelele.  I = guess I'm doomed to internet obscurity. =  

Michael Carlson = (TripleOhNine)

On Apr 27, 2012, at 10:31 AM, = Matt Davignon wrote:

It's kind of = like the "Girls and Ukeleles" phenomenon. If you want to be an internet = hit, be a cute girl between the ages of 16 and 23, and spend 10 minutes = learning how to play something on a ukelele. Post it on youtube. Boingboing.net will put it on their blog = and you'll instantly have lots of views. However, women and men who = strive to develop an actual talent with their instruments have to work = much harder to get = noticed.

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This is the best thread in a while, I sometimes miss the old= days when there were some real knock down drag out battles here :)=0A=0AOn= the vid, well not my cup 'o java ya know but more power to em! It does not= affect my little world a bit :) No time left for the "nattering nabobs of = negativity"!=0A=0Apeace out,=0A=0AJeff=0A=0A=0AOn Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:4= 0 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote:=0A=0AWell I could l= isten to your stuff all day Jeff and I stopped this video after probably le= ss than a minute. It's jut a matter of taste. I happen to like abstract sou= nd or"weirdo sounds and noises". =0A>Each to his own though eh?=0A>God help= us if we can't be honest about what we think. The well-worn Voltaire quote= comes to mind..=0A>=0A>=0A>peace=0A>=0A>=0A>G=0A>=0A>Gareth Whittock, soun= d artist: garethwhittock.co.uk=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>_____________________________= ___=0A>Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:30:36 -0400=0A>Subject: Re: 3 million hits= with livelooping=0A>From: jeffloops@gmail.com=0A>To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Now it's about me! Damnit! :)=0A>=0A>J=0A= >=0A>=0A>On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Torben Scharling wrote:=0A>=0A>"how crappy your atmospheric sea of infinite weir= do sounds and noises are nothing but a gimmick drowned in effects, delays a= nd =A0reverbs to hide the fact, that your musical talents just don't add up= ." ---250207800-1685038458-1335549585=:22672 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
(negativity)
 
Worked well for the = Blues though, n'est-ce pas? :)

From:= Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 1:3= 5 PM
Subject: Re: 3 mill= ion hits with livelooping

Oh gosh! Thanks Gareth! This is the be= st thread in a while, I sometimes miss the old days when there were some re= al knock down drag out battles here :)

On the vid, well not my cup '= o java ya know but more power to em! It does not affect my little world a b= it :) No time left for the "nattering nabobs of negativity"!

peace o= ut,

Jeff

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Gare= th Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:
Well I could listen to your stuff all day Jeff and I stopped= this video after probably less than a minute. It's jut a matter of taste. = I happen to like abstract sound or"weirdo sounds and noises".
Each to his own though eh?
God help us if we can't be honest about what we think. The well-worn V= oltaire quote comes to mind..

peace

G

Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:30:36 -0400
S= ubject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping
From: jeffloops@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Now it's about me! Damnit! :)

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On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Torben Scharling <= torbenscharling@gmail.com= > wrote:

"how crappy your atmospheric sea of infinite weir= do sounds and noises are nothing but a gimmick drowned in effects, delays a= nd  reverbs to hide the fact, that your musical talents just don't add= up."



---250207800-1685038458-1335549585=:22672-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 18:09:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A76F3183460; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 755429977/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.181.214/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.181.214 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAPHfmk9V0rXW/2dsb2JhbAANN7UPAQEBAwE4QBELIRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBiAS8Bo4egyUEm16NSA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,492,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="755429977" Message-ID: <4F9AE0F4.2060602@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:09:56 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Torben Scharling wrote: > > I see a lot of jealousy, insecurities, > hatred towards other people, who are more successful than you. people just aren't moved by what he does From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 18:16:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB63F183460; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:16:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 765027898/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.181.214/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.181.214 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAC/imk9V0rXW/2dsb2JhbAANN7URAQEBBDIBBUARCxgJFg8JAwIBAgFFBgEVAcQSinSGTwSbXo1I X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,492,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="765027898" Message-ID: <4F9AE267.8030803@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:16:07 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Echoplex Problem References: <37C363AB-A7AF-4F28-BFD7-B5F92C722726@tyfoo.de> <39B0C73B-E4E9-46D5-90BD-655B7706F73D@tyfoo.de> In-Reply-To: <39B0C73B-E4E9-46D5-90BD-655B7706F73D@tyfoo.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:16:20 +0000 (UTC) Carsten Wegener wrote: > I did a reset, then it works. But I have make all my settings again. > After shutting down the EDP it´s the same again with the problem.... is there a battery in there somewhere? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 19:11:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15B4E18345E; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:11:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=SxpGCEGRyw/DRTFhpVUt841eL9xjq5ZCgO32c9TMFHA=; b=V1XxCnX/BcZww+Do6OUqfvw65RGpjjXD/6riuhBa/G8K7Q5yU+MiB2HxBXb07qFPdH o0Hjv6C6Bw8HEEBrauoV6UyW0J0lU7rHQ3QUzF98xKn//bxxEDvAQcOyZZbXcAhy4eZC EbWjBYVjPbcpsotDMNcViWZEF0XZ0ikxVuecrq6L05Fx6AGsmtorfdYc6u+QT4tsRPy0 aOu0bjM92b1ZnSnFErZiTkUtADStmYiyQsiyRp5kcOf6rsSO7BkqxRyBk329rib/6LWr 7kcuVQJYom0iwAVLR6SnezV/c+0WU7ua0G7tatu+9ob+ViT9EkeZm/o6SIpKTUiZagWS Sqig== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F9AE0F4.2060602@tiscali.co.uk> References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> <4F9AE0F4.2060602@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:11:46 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf303a31e131399c04beade067 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:11:47 +0000 (UTC) --20cf303a31e131399c04beade067 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I dont feel jealous for these two chords - in that particular environment. I dont have anything against a simple structure, this song just wasnt interesting enough to raise my attention. These kind of "playing the room"-videos are not so new phenomenon, so nothing new on that front too. I just wasnt interested but that does not mean I was "trolling" or being sarcastic or trying to put down this video. My apologies if my reply sounded like that. -Petri- --20cf303a31e131399c04beade067 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I dont feel jealous for these two chords - in that particular environment.<= br>I dont have anything against a simple structure, this song just wasntinteresting enough to raise my attention.

These kind of "playi= ng the room"-videos are not so new phenomenon,
so nothing new on that front too.

I just wasnt interested but that = does not mean I was "trolling"
or being sarcastic or trying to= put down this video.

My apologies if my reply sounded like that.
-Petri-
--20cf303a31e131399c04beade067-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 19:12:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 748CE18345B; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:12:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Echoplex Problem From: Carsten Wegener In-Reply-To: <4F9AE267.8030803@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:12:06 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <37C363AB-A7AF-4F28-BFD7-B5F92C722726@tyfoo.de> <39B0C73B-E4E9-46D5-90BD-655B7706F73D@tyfoo.de> <4F9AE267.8030803@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:12:08 +0000 (UTC) It=B4s a normal Echoplex Looper with Loop IV, I think there shouldnt be = a battery inside. Am 27.04.2012 um 20:16 schrieb andy butler: > Carsten Wegener wrote: >> I did a reset, then it works. But I have make all my settings again. = After shutting down the EDP it=B4s the same again with the problem.... >=20 > is there a battery in there somewhere? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 19:56:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E43A9183473; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:56:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mkPwDiJcUbJ67g5ehTgIDSDyHO3dHrfEVhqQFXhqhHs=; b=MG369Yx0PmhcVNA8tLlS66LhXK1oZ8IhQPMFaEIoC3YLBz90B+WIF6vbV61gFXFb7T pVSZq+erv2YT1PvBA4P6xG+3KyvqfqYFUY3wF2720JtKokki/9PA5yKkVJJNPQsVNfc9 wuJYDz4VZxNVwmIyWfZJX/OozKF9w0Bdqsa8MKGggzYwLBNP9Co+BqVv2uuXxxbmiDqI 21+je7Lk/MaJ0Vc97Fq4f+De3ut2i7zbzNBRaipAd1AbbQSqg+gfI71qFh84CtnJvJxK dKmGw/jufh979Z+/345q0GAeuoVEfTBryeXF5k6XhjyqBdqnHyHLoOgiBYXYvEC+hsmb +Cbw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> <4F9AE0F4.2060602@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:56:32 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:56:33 +0000 (UTC) I think there is only one person's responses that are giving the impression of this being a harsh thread. Most people seemed pretty unmoved by it. As the kids say, whatever. Kevin On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > I dont feel jealous for these two chords - in that particular environment= . > I dont have anything against a simple structure, this song just wasnt > interesting enough to raise my attention. > > These kind of "playing the room"-videos are not so new phenomenon, > so nothing new on that front too. > > I just wasnt interested but that does not mean I was "trolling" > or being sarcastic or trying to put down this video. > > My apologies if my reply sounded like that. > > -Petri- --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 20:19:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB95F183473; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 20:19:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 761212069/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.181.214/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.181.214 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAGv+mk9V0rXW/2dsb2JhbAANN7UUAQEBAwEyAQVAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBiAS7XYp0FIJwgyUEm16NSA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,492,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="761212069" Message-ID: <4F9AFF55.8060105@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:19:33 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex Problem References: <37C363AB-A7AF-4F28-BFD7-B5F92C722726@tyfoo.de> <39B0C73B-E4E9-46D5-90BD-655B7706F73D@tyfoo.de> <4F9AE267.8030803@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7t1Ak.A.7vG.N9vmPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 20:19:25 +0000 (UTC) Carsten Wegener wrote: > It´s a normal Echoplex Looper with Loop IV, I think there shouldnt be a battery inside. well, *any-time* a device forgets it's settings on power off the usual fix is to replace a small battery on the circuit board. I don't remember there being one, but I don't have time to open the EDP and find out. If it's not that then you could try the classic "reseat all the chips". Well, first, lets be sure that by "reset" you mean powering up with "param" button help down. Other than that I'd say it's either a nasty hardware fault, or some bug caused by your settings that no-one ever saw before. andy > > Am 27.04.2012 um 20:16 schrieb andy butler: > >> Carsten Wegener wrote: >>> I did a reset, then it works. But I have make all my settings again. After shutting down the EDP it´s the same again with the problem.... >> is there a battery in there somewhere? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 21:05:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E59C9183460; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:05:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=8Lxmt2STuvUISAn3wqsb2fWSpBnR7OZSkAdG+4T7hNE=; b=z7jFVD5d2N5CqA4tSGnkdXQxaPh80wLUD33hCUPI+BsA+C8RTl/X99whg3keiAb4to R4piEyAskXEEIvt1AMvpaXzGM52WwHf5H30uuAmuiybApr44UCVLGDwiC8PtyXKvRCLp 5pEyozvjVhYOpWoj5MgXHL3VatAwklyVlPPpMcS9ReDqMIrEI6VuWkZmkxFj1CL3F3g1 0Sqc5ot1JoQd+Vx4CIL8gJTSVkCaBesWcZKYjh4/xn8UajAFN+duyUsJxuLwzOYjiAZx ln76t9vMuqlZxaruKHHBCUILOXnaE7J794iZBwAfb9PLn4bh9u3jdhqvblkBAr2txlro pLSQ== Message-ID: From: "Boise Creative & Improvised Music Festival" To: References: <1614212464.2201385.1335456299135.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Kitara MIDI guitar Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:05:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:05:30 +0000 (UTC) I ended up buying a Godin Freeway and a Roland GI-20 for conversion into my PC. It's basically the same setup McLaughlin used for some time, and may still be using. If it works for him, it will work for me. :) -----Original Message----- I also have a Sonuus GM2 that use for all manner of audio-to-MIDI input; right now it's my testbed tool for using with several bidules I'm experimenting with. It is, indeed, an easy way to ease into Guitar-MIDI … The Godin/Roland combo is still my setup of choice, however, since it doesn't require the same level of tweakage that the Sonuss does. Best, Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 21:41:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA865183464; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:41:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=c6HOCZZ0kMT6G7G3jwlDQFW4zlACTJdunp/0UIGJdCU=; b=XWCNMHipiIiaYF8Ov0DgC7gY8yX1YRkgopvPZguHo+MtiinyuvN70MmJt4O7HHwu1l 4gkaGOSyqHrFpxHt62z2SZ1PaHbT7xioOtKq2ELnTi4O0UI/YvbqBUHeYnsOS6f7SMEP 7S6CyJr3Qr+JoJDt3d5QktUanJ+qBXUTclVM23aBauM0LonJPcxojtsnDYiNKq8dZvBn S1T8v9xLwN5Shplz4byPYb7yGHzq0mkdD3nrmIE7pGBxxExQ/h4udjYkI1xZBANRHXM4 7S5D2jFT2AgV84Z7Cg7+xY6cur7E37d6uuMixUHW29XwxayRhdaLFlrERDzgif4CKaYU vL2g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4F9AFF55.8060105@tiscali.co.uk> References: <37C363AB-A7AF-4F28-BFD7-B5F92C722726@tyfoo.de> <39B0C73B-E4E9-46D5-90BD-655B7706F73D@tyfoo.de> <4F9AE267.8030803@tiscali.co.uk> <4F9AFF55.8060105@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:41:30 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ZHBS0LLQUY-AelUd20OmoAUXTHM Message-ID: Subject: Re: Echoplex Problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d040172ffe18d1004beaff88f Resent-Message-ID: <-eu0sC.A.CdH.gKxmPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:41:52 +0000 (UTC) --f46d040172ffe18d1004beaff88f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 10:19 PM, andy butler wrote: > Well, first, lets be sure that by "reset" you mean powering up with > "param" button help down. > Other than that I'd say it's either a nasty hardware fault, or some bug > caused by your settings > that no-one ever saw before. > > andy > YIKES Andy, dont scare the guy! First, what are your settings? can you list them, like ALL.. Once or twice Ive got the EDP into some funny mode I havent used before and Andy has nonchalantly said, Oh.. thats the mode where time stops still for 2 bars while next loop is in the waiting period, but before it rounds down... and hes usually right...*** the other thing is... Are you SURE you are saving those presets properly? I often end up reloading the preset Im trying to write to, therfore losing the gold-mine setting Ive just stmbled across... and yes... pretty sure there a battery inside... M ***what WAS that again Andy? some really weird mode where edp kindo of plays back thru all the loops till it gets to the frst one then loops.. or something like that... cant rember how I got to it, OR what it was for!!! That Damn EDP.. its so DEEEEEP man... -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d040172ffe18d1004beaff88f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 10:19 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Well, first, lets be sure that by "reset" you mean powering = up with "param" button help down.
Other than that I'd say it's either a nasty hardware fault, or some= bug caused by your settings
that no-one ever saw before.

andy

YIKES Andy, dont scare the guy!

Fir= st, what are your settings? can you list them, like ALL.. Once or twice Ive= got the EDP into some funny mode I havent used before and Andy has nonchal= antly said, Oh.. thats the mode where time stops still for 2 bars while nex= t loop is in the waiting period, but before it rounds down... and hes usual= ly right...***

the other thing is... Are you SURE you are saving those presets properl= y? I often end up reloading the preset Im trying to write to, therfore losi= ng the gold-mine setting Ive just stmbled across...

and yes... prett= y sure there a battery inside...


M

***what WAS that again Andy? some really weird= mode where edp kindo of plays back thru all the loops till it gets to the = frst one then loops.. or something like that... cant rember how I got to it= , OR what it was for!!! That Damn EDP.. its so DEEEEEP man...



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--f46d040172ffe18d1004beaff88f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 27 22:40:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D48318345A; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:40:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=fCJzgIYz9n+1Jof6t/ypu4wm1rnV2UU6LTtxDRED4wY=; b=y96jsLWLWFlHimeTRKhI5ebAiIMj6IkSIjb1iCNSNLZrdKD/0f5u77nmDqEUeTk1b4 kT59iQ8LhlVAb7pVj/q8BbUOnUi6+M9/Jj2iRojqrUi94+mfNGxEUQkFicOIfokNIvIP CHGW8f1QZAwptZFQn82kbLDrIs0ioqE+1I+htjPZ7HzbXfeaWwdflq7RiBsalAVW0dgH fZuEJkMQLXFyZfsAGnCeGvG6iuIutGRFzL2ENyxWiufzQWnA/vgcKsWZXXfdpMUSYTwg sGhFRmUDN4SM87gVwArqfI+QIIgHBTAI4yQDC9UPB9QYbXWQIep42+EL02bfFWsHu27y I7Zw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 00:39:45 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: p2TCJB3L4LJOKx1NbXZjzqGHd2M Message-ID: Subject: Can midi CC pass THRU an merge box on its way to somewhere else? To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54c546e33451a04beb0c985 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:40:07 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec54c546e33451a04beb0c985 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have been very successfully using the Mission Link wifi box with my iPhone/Pad, controlling my hardware (specifically EDPs and Repeater from Touch OSC) But now I got a nice layout of the everything on the GR55, so maybe I can program that beast without getting down on my bad knee. But heres the thing.. the midi info is not quite getting there. It seems to be being stripped away by the last thing in the chain.. a midi merge box! Heres my chain: FCB1010 (pedal) >>> Missing link (Wifi box) >>> EDP IN / EDP OUT >>> Repeater IN / Repeater Thru >>> Merge box /output 1 >>> GR55 (out 2 goes to GR30, they both need clock) Now if I miss out the midi merge box I CAN send midi out from the wifi box, all the way down to the GR55, but if I put the box back in, I cant... Why is that? Merge boxes dont just do Notes and Clock do they? Could it be that the Merge box NOW need power (I use it without a power cable, but it HAS got a power in socket, but Ive never needed to power it b4? Any Ideas? -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --bcaec54c546e33451a04beb0c985 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been very successfully using the Mission Link wifi box with my iPhon= e/Pad, controlling my hardware (specifically EDPs and Repeater from Touch O= SC) But now I got a nice layout of the everything on the GR55, so maybe I c= an program that beast without getting down on my bad knee.

But heres the thing.. the midi info is not quite getting there. It seem= s to be being stripped away by the last thing in the chain.. a midi merge b= ox!

Heres my chain:

FCB1010 (pedal) >>> Missing link= (Wifi box) >>> EDP IN / EDP OUT >>> Repeater IN / Repeat= er Thru >>> Merge box /output 1 >>> GR55 (out 2 goes to G= R30, they both need clock)
=A0Now if I miss out the midi merge box I CAN send midi out from the wifi b= ox, all the way down to the GR55, but if I put the box back in, I cant...Why is that? Merge boxes dont just do Notes and Clock do they?

Could it be that the Merge box NOW need power (I use it without a power cab= le, but it HAS got a power in socket, but Ive never needed to power it b4?<= br>
Any Ideas?


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http://www.looop.no
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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In Phase One, I will continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I will also play music of artists who will be playing at the Soundscapes Concert Series. I will also play music of artists who will be playing at the Soundscapes Concert Series in May; Broekhuis, Keller& Schonwalder. I host the show every other week. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 28 05:08:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19D5918345C; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:08:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Y/Q1xo/zTzCh9rlyNnZyU+hPuY5LTvN5TI6n5JZb7gQ8akZqsHIB5An6FGOJ/Lve; h=Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; From: Cara Quinn Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_228846DC-C206-4919-AC29-A506DC7E8361" Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:08:01 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-ELNK-Trace: 6b863c64b7cad57866423f13a3a05d4c239a348a220c26095e59407caa37b6b2f243a5b9e2d47df093caf27dac41a8fd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.106.47.89 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:08:13 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_228846DC-C206-4919-AC29-A506DC7E8361 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Do a happy dance!!! Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn=20 On Apr 26, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Torben Scharling wrote: Wow, some of you guys are scarily brutal in your response to that video. = Interesting to see what kind of thoughts goes through other = musicians/loop artists/trolls minds though. On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 2:34 AM, mark francombe = wrote: I thought it was a funny song... I dont for a second relate any bit of = it to Live Looping... when they said...in one take... they meant the = video you know??? not the music?.. so no.. not live looping... and = little to do with it IMO. I didnt like that half the video was shouting about his mates and his = channel and showing out-takes... that was cheap. But the song was ok, and the filming was great!... Not particularly = difficult to do, just well rehearsed. Now if the music was live looped...ad he had some clever set up with = wifi links between computers and radio mikes and, clever sequencing of = commands in Abelton synched to Mobius... THEN we'd all like it right?=20 Sadly it twas but a film... in which case, all I can say is.. would have = been better with girls... m On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Ricky Graham = wrote: Hi Paul, I am not trying to provoke, merely trying to present a different point of view. Whether you like the video or not, it could prove useful as a means to promote an approach to creating music that we on this list share. That is all. You're certainly entitled to your own opinion (which you have expressed explicitly on a multitude of levels), I am sure it is well suited to you. Best wishes, Ricky On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Paul Richards wrote: > I'm entitled to my opinion just like you and your cronies at LD. That = video > SUCKED bigtime. What a prententious p.o.s. I couldn't get to the end , = even. > Creativity, my ass. It's just an example of marginally-talented = weenies > saying "Look at me". > > From: Ricky Graham > > To: Paul Richards > Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:13 PM > > Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping > > Well done, Chaz. It would not do any of you any harm to take the > positives away from this video, beyond your own aesthetic. It > currently provides a platform, albeit temporary, to present the > fundamental idea behind looping audio in real-time. Who cares if he > wears glasses in-doors. The fact is, the video presents a musical > concept that supposedly this list is invested in, lots of people are > watching it and it is seemingly bringing joy into peoples lives. I > suppose it all comes down to what you consider meaningful to you, the > individual. If you find it meaningful to adopt a cynical point of view > and bash other peoples creativity, whether it is pop or otherwise, > then fine. I think Matthias was looking for some constructive feedback > but instead this thread has descended into dung. > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Paul Richards > wrote: >> Well, again, the "herd instinct" at work doesn't mean anything. Every >> single >> day I see a video posted on Yahoo with a caption that reads "xxx = video >> goes >> viral". So what!? If 1,000,000 idiots do something, does that make it >> something that I want to do (e.g. watching Jackass movies, piercing = my >> testicles, et al)? >> >> I'm not specifically referring to music - just the tendency of the = herd to >> follow whatever starts being blitzed to the public via TV, radio & = print. >> >> >> >> From: Mark Hamburg >> To: Paul Richards >> Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:22 AM >> >> Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping >> >> Harshly put (not enough coffee yet)... >> >> That depends on whether you are interested in indulgent = self-exploration >> or >> in entertaining the audience. >> >> Both are valid. Just don't be surprised if the audience is more = interested >> in paying for =97 or listening to for that matter =97 the latter. >> >> My music tends more toward the former and while I greatly appreciate = it >> when >> it clicks with people, I don't feel that something is out of whack if = most >> people put their attention elsewhere. >> >> Mark >> >> On Apr 25, 2012, at 3:43 PM, Paul Richards wrote: >> >> I think 14 million people bought "Beanie Babies". And tens of = thousands of >> people show up at mall shoe stores to battle over some new Michael = Jordan >> sneaker. Millions more snarf the garbage that McDonalds sells. = Numbers >> don't >> mean shit, man. >> >> From: chaz worm >> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 5:40 PM >> Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping >> >> Hey, what guitar mystery man does is essentially "pop looping". Of = course >> true "looping afficianados" would not like it. >> But it's a cool little video. >> It's looping for the masses. That's why none of y'all have a 3million = hit >> video. >> >> Good for him. >> >> Chaz >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:02 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:18 PM, chaz worm = >>> wrote: >>>> I think it's pretty cool anytime more people can get a glimpse into = a >>>> vague semblance of what I do >>> >>> You too running in houses with shades? Cool! >>> >>> Per ;-)) >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > --=20 Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --=20 De Bedste Hilsner / Best Regards Torben Scharling - Mobile: +45 61 66 60 09 - e-mail: = ts@torbenscharling.com --Apple-Mail=_228846DC-C206-4919-AC29-A506DC7E8361 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Do a = happy dance!!!

Smiles,

Cara = :)
http://www.onemodelplace.c= om/CaraQuinn 

On Apr 26, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Torben Scharling = wrote:

Wow, some of you guys are scarily brutal in your = response to that video. Interesting to see what kind of thoughts goes = through other musicians/loop artists/trolls minds = though.



On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 2:34 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> = wrote:
I thought it was a funny song... I dont for a = second relate any bit of it to Live Looping... when they said...in one = take... they meant the video you know??? not the music?.. so no.. not = live looping... and little to do with it IMO.

I didnt like that half the video was shouting about his mates and = his channel and showing out-takes... that was cheap.
But the song was = ok, and the filming was great!... Not particularly difficult to do, just = well rehearsed.

Now if the music was live looped...ad he had some clever set up with = wifi links between computers and radio mikes and, clever sequencing of = commands in Abelton synched to Mobius... THEN we'd all like it right? =

Sadly it twas but a film... in which case, all I can say is.. would = have been better with girls...


m




On Thu, Apr 26, = 2012 at 9:01 PM, Ricky Graham <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Paul,

I am not trying to provoke, merely trying to present a different = point
of view. Whether you like the video or not, it could prove useful as = a
means to promote an approach to creating music that we on this list
share. That is all.

You're certainly entitled to your own opinion (which you have
expressed explicitly on a multitude of levels), I am sure it is well
suited to you.

Best wishes,

Ricky

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Paul Richards
<paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm entitled to my opinion just like you and your cronies at = LD. That video
> SUCKED bigtime. What a prententious p.o.s. I couldn't get to the = end , even.
> Creativity, my ass. It's just an example of marginally-talented = weenies
> saying "Look at me".
>
> From: Ricky Graham <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:13 PM
>
> Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping
>
> Well done, Chaz. It would not do any of you any harm to take = the
> positives away from this video, beyond your own aesthetic. It
> currently provides a platform, albeit temporary, to present the
> fundamental idea behind looping audio in real-time. Who cares if = he
> wears glasses in-doors.  The fact is, the video presents a = musical
> concept that supposedly this list is invested in, lots of people = are
> watching it and it is seemingly bringing joy into peoples lives. = I
> suppose it all comes down to what you consider meaningful to you, = the
> individual. If you find it meaningful to adopt a cynical point of = view
> and bash other peoples creativity, whether it is pop or = otherwise,
> then fine. I think Matthias was looking for some constructive = feedback
> but instead this thread has descended into dung.
>
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Paul Richards
> <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Well, again, the "herd instinct" at work doesn't mean anything. = Every
>> single
>> day I see a video posted on Yahoo with a caption that reads = "xxx video
>> goes
>> viral". So what!? If 1,000,000 idiots do something, does that = make it
>> something that I want to do (e.g. watching Jackass movies, = piercing my
>> testicles, et al)?
>>
>> I'm not specifically referring to music - just the tendency of = the herd to
>> follow whatever starts being blitzed to the public via TV, = radio & print.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com>
>> To: Paul Richards <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com>
>> Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"
>> <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:22 AM
>>
>> Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping
>>
>> Harshly put (not enough coffee yet)...
>>
>> That depends on whether you are interested in indulgent = self-exploration
>> or
>> in entertaining the audience.
>>
>> Both are valid. Just don't be surprised if the audience is more = interested
>> in paying for =97 or listening to for that matter =97 the = latter.
>>
>> My music tends more toward the former and while I greatly = appreciate it
>> when
>> it clicks with people, I don't feel that something is out of = whack if most
>> people put their attention elsewhere.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2012, at 3:43 PM, Paul Richards wrote:
>>
>> I think 14 million people bought "Beanie Babies". And tens of = thousands of
>> people show up at mall shoe stores to battle over some new = Michael Jordan
>> sneaker. Millions more snarf the garbage that McDonalds sells. = Numbers
>> don't
>> mean shit, man.
>>
>> From: chaz worm <chaz@earthwormandfire.com>
>> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"
>> <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 5:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping
>>
>> Hey, what guitar mystery man does is essentially "pop looping". = Of course
>> true "looping afficianados" would not like it.
>> But it's a cool little video.
>> It's looping for the masses. That's why none of y'all have a = 3million hit
>> video.
>>
>> Good for him.
>>
>> Chaz
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:02 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:18 PM, chaz worm <chaz@earthwormandfire.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I think it's pretty cool anytime more people can get a = glimpse into a
>>>> vague semblance of what I do
>>>
>>> You too running in houses with shades? Cool!
>>>
>>> Per ;-))
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>




--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/




--
De Bedste Hilsner / = Best Regards

Torben Scharling - Mobile: +45 61 66 = 60 09 - e-mail: ts@torbenscharling.com


=


= --Apple-Mail=_228846DC-C206-4919-AC29-A506DC7E8361-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 28 05:22:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7091183465; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Hdd0uwFwzLeHIiC3d9PFFnOPkvb/m2sfmz/g1MR19VETvdutSK3D4XMX9mtpkgLL; h=Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping From: Cara Quinn In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:22:40 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8A3CF550-15D6-4B7B-BF30-3DC27007FB75@earthlink.net> References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-ELNK-Trace: 6b863c64b7cad57866423f13a3a05d4c239a348a220c260980c4b6c315019fcd79fc51ae6c3f90e0387f7b89c61deb1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.106.47.89 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:22:51 +0000 (UTC) I must say this is the aspect of LD that I've truly missed! lol! *glib mode over* In all seriousness, this topic in itself has looped round and round and = round here so many times over the last decade and a half that it's not = even funny! lol! How or should we separate the 'effect' from the 'music?' Which is which? I wonder though, how many people really feel that more DSP really means = less 'talent' or vice versa? -Interesting=85 Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn=20 On Apr 27, 2012, at 5:34 AM, Todd Reynolds wrote: Okay, at this point i'mma gonna cook me up a bunch o popcorn. The pot = just called the kettle black, Dr. Freud just rolled over in his grave, = and the show is just about to begin. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 27, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Torben Scharling = wrote: > I didn't mean you in particular Mark, I'm new to this mailing list = business. >=20 > So without mentioning any names, or quoting anyone, what I meant was: >=20 > I see a lot of jealousy, insecurities, hatred towards other people, = who are more successful than you. Perhaps even worse musicians, but way = better at giving audiences what they want/something they find = interesting enough to wanna share with their friends (and share on a = mailing list). >=20 > This guy is a "like", "share", "subscribe", "click on my ads" kind of = guy. He thrives on that - good for him. Doesn't mean you have to do the = same, just respect the fact that he's successful in doing what he's = doing. (And no, I'm not a fan of his btw.) >=20 > I mean, it's not like this guy is a phony or a con artist. I'm sure he = works hard with what he's got. He probably realized that he's not a = super-musician, and learned to draw on other skills.=20 >=20 > Bashing creativity, entertainment, and quite frankly something that = you, unless you pull the same kind of views or at least returning = subscribers, have no clue how to do yourselves - then I think trolling = is the appropriate word for it. >=20 > I went to a Reggie Watts concert recently here in Copenhagen. And this = by passer comment from another Danish guy that attended the show, stuck = in my head ever since; "it's just sad that he spends so much time = goofing around and not taking it seriously, (in reality) he's a great = musician, but he choses to rely on comedy".... >=20 > Now this relates back to that youtube video, and you guys that think = you're all that in terms of you music skills and looping magic: to each = his own, theres a place for everything, there are new forms of show = business, there are talented musicians/artists/entertainers who choose = to wrap their talents in different paper than you and your neighbor etc. >=20 > I could say a lot of horrible things about some of you guys music on = this mailing list, tell you how crappy your atmospheric sea of infinite = weirdo sounds and noises are nothing but a gimmick drowned in effects, = delays and reverbs to hide the fact, that your musical talents just = don't add up. But I won't, because I'm not a teenager anymore. >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 28 05:40:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A7B7183463; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:40:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=S6SXdCT+FBlAUcjpGSW5tfghMT+DBZpO+2kGGCLBZPyxPXFCFXMXzRjSYbD6VUZj; h=Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping From: Cara Quinn In-Reply-To: <85105E27-F258-4760-B43A-4413A451D0A7@charter.net> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:40:47 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4C475E15-00F0-4F6B-86B9-42CA7185C1C3@earthlink.net> References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> <85105E27-F258-4760-B43A-4413A451D0A7@charter.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-ELNK-Trace: 6b863c64b7cad57866423f13a3a05d4c239a348a220c26094a00192334fc127949c64abea35414c2a8438e0f32a48e08350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.106.47.89 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:40:58 +0000 (UTC) Oh but Ted, we love people getting their undies in a bunch! ;) that's = what made and makes this list awesome! lol! Kim once said that he'd like to see me and another lister (Mark S) who'd = been going at it for a while, in a cage match! That's the kind of thing = we need more of here! -Ya know, way crazy but still friendly enough=85 = :) -Where is Mark S these days?=85 anyway, blah blah blah=85 *flies back up to her perch* Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn=20 On Apr 27, 2012, at 8:30 AM, Ted Killian wrote: Torben, I think that quite possibly you are reading a lot into the responses to = the video. Maybe...maybe not. There is a context to everything and sometimes that context might not be = apparent. Trolling? I'm an old fart and don't even know what that term (?) means. I was probably first to respond to Matthi's post anyway, so I may be = somewhat guilty of something or another. Matthias, who originally posted the link, is the inventor of the EDP and = (in the absence of the late Kim Flint) is as near to a "Founding Father" = as this list has. He and I know each other, I too have been on this list nearly as long as = it has existed myself (since 1996) so it is all like a very big long = conversation between us indeed. I am afraid that I am probably guilty of replying to his link-posting as = frankly as as a private conversation between two old acquaintances = rather than being especially conscious that it is like "a big room" with = a lot of people in it to overhear. Did someone's undies get in a bunch because of it? I am sorry for that. Nothing personal was meant by it. I did not mean to be any more dismissive to the video in question than I = am to "pop culture" in general. I would have similarly dismissed the late Michael Freeking Jackson. It's just not where my interests lie. Matthi's post was "What do you think of this?" (or something to that = effect). And I gave him the same brief, frank, candid answer I might have given = if the conversation had been in private, I guess. If that was an internet faux pas, I guess I am guilty as charged. Am I a talentless od git poser for having done so? Sometimes that is exactly what I feel like, personally - but for other, = rather more obscure reasons. But I know I can do a few things extraordinarily well, and exactly in = the area that interests me - so I am happy and contented with that. It seems like someone is taking this critique of a mere YouTube video = far too seriously and personally - making much more of it than is = warranted. It's like (in our various responses) we had deliberately kicked your = puppy or something. Sorry about my lack of circumspection in my comments. But give us a break...huh? Peace, Ted On Apr 27, 2012, at 5:25 AM, Torben Scharling wrote: > I didn't mean you in particular Mark, I'm new to this mailing list = business. >=20 > So without mentioning any names, or quoting anyone, what I meant was: >=20 > I see a lot of jealousy, insecurities, hatred towards other people, = who are more successful than you. Perhaps even worse musicians, but way = better at giving audiences what they want/something they find = interesting enough to wanna share with their friends (and share on a = mailing list). >=20 > This guy is a "like", "share", "subscribe", "click on my ads" kind of = guy. He thrives on that - good for him. Doesn't mean you have to do the = same, just respect the fact that he's successful in doing what he's = doing. (And no, I'm not a fan of his btw.) >=20 > I mean, it's not like this guy is a phony or a con artist. I'm sure he = works hard with what he's got. He probably realized that he's not a = super-musician, and learned to draw on other skills.=20 >=20 > Bashing creativity, entertainment, and quite frankly something that = you, unless you pull the same kind of views or at least returning = subscribers, have no clue how to do yourselves - then I think trolling = is the appropriate word for it. >=20 > I went to a Reggie Watts concert recently here in Copenhagen. And this = by passer comment from another Danish guy that attended the show, stuck = in my head ever since; "it's just sad that he spends so much time = goofing around and not taking it seriously, (in reality) he's a great = musician, but he choses to rely on comedy".... >=20 > Now this relates back to that youtube video, and you guys that think = you're all that in terms of you music skills and looping magic: to each = his own, theres a place for everything, there are new forms of show = business, there are talented musicians/artists/entertainers who choose = to wrap their talents in different paper than you and your neighbor etc. >=20 > I could say a lot of horrible things about some of you guys music on = this mailing list, tell you how crappy your atmospheric sea of infinite = weirdo sounds and noises are nothing but a gimmick drowned in effects, = delays and reverbs to hide the fact, that your musical talents just = don't add up. But I won't, because I'm not a teenager anymore. >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 28 05:55:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 370D1183473; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:55:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=mn49cd8E7PROFlAbHngEWwHHOlVu+QaegfviZB6OQyCAGlc87c93q5psyF7QLoUi; h=Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping From: Cara Quinn In-Reply-To: <8E2D58F7-154E-4F9E-8564-66D8F44A8F03@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:55:02 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <230D30FF-28CD-4D2A-9564-677022C6B878@earthlink.net> References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> <85105E27-F258-4760-B43A-4413A451D0A7@charter.net> <8E2D58F7-154E-4F9E-8564-66D8F44A8F03@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-ELNK-Trace: 6b863c64b7cad57866423f13a3a05d4c239a348a220c26091b0d6c87600679bc907257bc7e3301ef350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.106.47.89 Resent-Message-ID: <6so6F.A.qWD.BZ4mPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:55:14 +0000 (UTC) For the record, I love love love the happy dance! :) The song as a = whole, eh, whatever=85 It made me smile though and that's all I = personally need=85 As far as people watching what they say though, I kind of think that's = overrated to a degree. Yes, there's definitely a time /place for decorum and tact, but as = musicians, artists, or performers of any kind, it's pretty common = knowledge that you can't please everybody and furthermore some people = are just going to flat out hate what you do. -And it's all good! :) = That's just the nature of the thing=85 The most popular artists always have antifans as much as fans. -Same is = true for people no one's ever heard of=85 -It just may be less obvious=85 My point is that any artist just by nature kind of needs to expect = critique as art moves in naturally more 'dangerous' and delicate areas = of people's experience. So why not express those ideas truly and = honestly?=85 I'm not saying 'be intentionally crass or disrespectful,' = but i am saying that too much restraint isn't always cool. -Or fun = either! lol! Anyway, once again, blah blah blah=85 Smiles, CQ :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn=20 On Apr 27, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Torben Scharling wrote: Sure, but not all of us have a long (public) career in this business = behind us. And if one thing, I think talented new artists should be = respected and helped, so even though I have nothing to do with that = video, I would hate that that was the comments I got, had I been in his = shoes. And yes these comments are very public, too. Let's face it, these days there is a lot more outlets to the public/fans = than in the old days when it was about getting on the radio or releasing = a physical album. And those outlets (can) have different types of = audiences. So people who are very good at doing "the youtube thing" = which I relate to the whole "people get to know you, you talk to the = camera, you ask the fans/suscribers something that they'll reply to in = the comments, you have your own "show" etc. - those people have chosen = to do th=E1t kind of entertainment. So it's also about where creators = focus is. Look guys you can write what you want, I'm just saying that it says a = lot about you/the way you think, and that perhaps you should think about = how you view other peoples "talents" and efforts, and how you phrase it = publicly. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 28 05:58:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BBF718345E; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:58:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=H69C1I/2FTaN14Osf5fkBGGuV5Or35GnEzfCXP4TwrGGOk5290bNj+JNpS+BtGPn; h=Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; From: Cara Quinn Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_4B3D6561-4FF8-4E29-98FB-D4FA8D58C864" Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:58:34 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> <85105E27-F258-4760-B43A-4413A451D0A7@charter.net> <8E2D58F7-154E-4F9E-8564-66D8F44A8F03@gmail.com> Message-Id: <27426348-5F18-4785-B864-DE1B0D81F025@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-ELNK-Trace: 6b863c64b7cad57866423f13a3a05d4c239a348a220c26091b0d6c87600679bcf305e19b79c0e21293caf27dac41a8fd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.106.47.89 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:58:46 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_4B3D6561-4FF8-4E29-98FB-D4FA8D58C864 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hear here! It's all fun! Smiles, Cara ;) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn=20 On Apr 27, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: Oh gosh! Thanks Gareth! This is the best thread in a while, I sometimes = miss the old days when there were some real knock down drag out battles = here :) On the vid, well not my cup 'o java ya know but more power to em! It = does not affect my little world a bit :) No time left for the "nattering = nabobs of negativity"! peace out, Jeff On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Gareth Whittock = wrote: Well I could listen to your stuff all day Jeff and I stopped this video = after probably less than a minute. It's jut a matter of taste. I happen = to like abstract sound or"weirdo sounds and noises". Each to his own though eh? God help us if we can't be honest about what we think. The well-worn = Voltaire quote comes to mind.. peace G Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:30:36 -0400 Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping From: jeffloops@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Now it's about me! Damnit! :) J On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Torben Scharling = wrote: "how crappy your atmospheric sea of infinite weirdo sounds and noises = are nothing but a gimmick drowned in effects, delays and reverbs to = hide the fact, that your musical talents just don't add up." --Apple-Mail=_4B3D6561-4FF8-4E29-98FB-D4FA8D58C864 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Hear here!

It's all fun!

Smiles,

Cara ;)

---
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On Apr 27, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Jeff Duke wrote:

Oh gosh! Thanks Gareth! This is the best thread in a while, I sometimes miss the old days when there were some real knock down drag out battles here :)

On the vid, well not my cup 'o java ya know but more power to em! It does not affect my little world a bit :) No time left for the "nattering nabobs of negativity"!

peace out,

Jeff

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:
Well I could listen to your stuff all day Jeff and I stopped this video after probably less than a minute. It's jut a matter of taste. I happen to like abstract sound or"weirdo sounds and noises".
Each to his own though eh?
God help us if we can't be honest about what we think. The well-worn Voltaire quote comes to mind..

peace

G

Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:30:36 -0400
Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping
From: jeffloops@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com


Now it's about me! Damnit! :)

J

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Torben Scharling <torbenscharling@gmail.com> wrote:

"how crappy your atmospheric sea of infinite weirdo sounds and noises are nothing but a gimmick drowned in effects, delays and  reverbs to hide the fact, that your musical talents just don't add up."


--Apple-Mail=_4B3D6561-4FF8-4E29-98FB-D4FA8D58C864-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 28 07:34:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D544F183477; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:34:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_a85ee4dc-8d55-48c7-8b82-273ccb5657db_" X-Originating-IP: [62.7.183.6] From: Gareth Whittock To: , Subject: RE: plan for an annual Looper's Delight / Livelooping telephone conference call Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:34:07 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20120428010933.16119.41785.levelstar.mail@everest> References: <20120428010933.16119.41785.levelstar.mail@everest> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2012 07:34:07.0949 (UTC) FILETIME=[4BC50FD0:01CD2511] Resent-Message-ID: <543v3D.A.yWE.x15mPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:34:09 +0000 (UTC) --_a85ee4dc-8d55-48c7-8b82-273ccb5657db_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That sounds link fun. Might be tricky sorting the time of day aspect out. L= D is mostly americans.. some europeans and a number of people dotted around= the planet. It'd be interesting to see one of those pins-in-a-map thingys.= Can we do that? Peace G Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > From: programmer651@comcast.net > Date: Fri=2C 27 Apr 2012 21:09:35 -0400 > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > CC:=20 > Subject: plan for an annual Looper's Delight / Livelooping telephone conf= erence call >=20 > Hello=2C everybody! I just got this great idea that I think a lot of you = will like! Lately=2C I've had=20 > a lot of experience controlling conference calls=3B participating in them= =2C helping moderate them=2C and so on.=20 > I think that there should be a Looper's Delight / Livelooping chat. I'd e= ven set it up for you=20 > guys=3B schedule it=2C give instructions on how to get into the chat=2C a= nd just control the flow of things. Readers=20 > of Looper's Delight and Livelooping would be welcome=3B we could even sha= re loop sounds over the=20 > phone lines! The Looper's Delight / Livelooping Conference! I would recor= d it each time=2C=20 > and put the recording up on a server and send it. Would you guys like a d= igital conference once a year?=20 > Remember=2C I'll do all the setting up=2C programming and scheduling. > Tyler Zahnke >=20 = --_a85ee4dc-8d55-48c7-8b82-273ccb5657db_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That sounds link fun. Might be tricky sorting the time of day aspect out. L= D is mostly americans.. some europeans and a number of people dotted around= the planet. It'd be interesting to see one of those pins-in-a-map thingys.= Can we do that?

Peace

G
Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

>=3B From: programmer651@comcast.net
>=3B Date: Fri= =2C 27 Apr 2012 21:09:35 -0400
>=3B To: loopers-delight@loopers-deligh= t.com
>=3B CC:
>=3B Subject: plan for an annual Looper's Delight= / Livelooping telephone conference call
>=3B
>=3B Hello=2C ever= ybody! I just got this great idea that I think a lot of you will like! Late= ly=2C I've had
>=3B a lot of experience controlling conference calls= =3B participating in them=2C helping moderate them=2C and so on.
>=3B= I think that there should be a Looper's Delight / Livelooping chat. I'd ev= en set it up for you
>=3B guys=3B schedule it=2C give instructions on= how to get into the chat=2C and just control the flow of things. Readers <= br>>=3B of Looper's Delight and Livelooping would be welcome=3B we could = even share loop sounds over the
>=3B phone lines! The Looper's Deligh= t / Livelooping Conference! I would record it each time=2C
>=3B and p= ut the recording up on a server and send it. Would you guys like a digital = conference once a year?
>=3B Remember=2C I'll do all the setting up= =2C programming and scheduling.
>=3B Tyler Zahnke
>=3B
=
= --_a85ee4dc-8d55-48c7-8b82-273ccb5657db_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 28 07:35:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17406183479; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:35:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_93a45b03-ec9d-423f-8c19-ab11d063372d_" X-Originating-IP: [62.7.183.6] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: 3 million hits with livelooping Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:35:11 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8A3CF550-15D6-4B7B-BF30-3DC27007FB75@earthlink.net> References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> ,<8A3CF550-15D6-4B7B-BF30-3DC27007FB75@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2012 07:35:11.0247 (UTC) FILETIME=[717F91F0:01CD2511] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:35:12 +0000 (UTC) --_93a45b03-ec9d-423f-8c19-ab11d063372d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > How or should we separate the 'effect' from the 'music?' Which is which? All is one!! Peace G Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping > From: Cara-Quinn@earthlink.net > Date: Fri=2C 27 Apr 2012 22:22:40 -0700 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > I must say this is the aspect of LD that I've truly missed! lol! >=20 > *glib mode over* >=20 > In all seriousness=2C this topic in itself has looped round and round and= round here so many times over the last decade and a half that it's not eve= n funny! lol! >=20 >=20 > I wonder though=2C how many people really feel that more DSP really means= less 'talent' or vice versa? -Interesting=85 >=20 > Smiles=2C >=20 > Cara :) > --- > View my Online Portfolio at: > http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn=20 >=20 > On Apr 27=2C 2012=2C at 5:34 AM=2C Todd Reynolds wrote: >=20 > Okay=2C at this point i'mma gonna cook me up a bunch o popcorn. The pot= just called the kettle black=2C Dr. Freud just rolled over in his grave=2C= and the show is just about to begin. >=20 > Sent from my iPhone >=20 > On Apr 27=2C 2012=2C at 8:25 AM=2C Torben Scharling wrote: >=20 > > I didn't mean you in particular Mark=2C I'm new to this mailing list bu= siness. > >=20 > > So without mentioning any names=2C or quoting anyone=2C what I meant wa= s: > >=20 > > I see a lot of jealousy=2C insecurities=2C hatred towards other people= =2C who are more successful than you. Perhaps even worse musicians=2C but w= ay better at giving audiences what they want/something they find interestin= g enough to wanna share with their friends (and share on a mailing list). > >=20 > > This guy is a "like"=2C "share"=2C "subscribe"=2C "click on my ads" kin= d of guy. He thrives on that - good for him. Doesn't mean you have to do th= e same=2C just respect the fact that he's successful in doing what he's doi= ng. (And no=2C I'm not a fan of his btw.) > >=20 > > I mean=2C it's not like this guy is a phony or a con artist. I'm sure h= e works hard with what he's got. He probably realized that he's not a super= -musician=2C and learned to draw on other skills.=20 > >=20 > > Bashing creativity=2C entertainment=2C and quite frankly something that= you=2C unless you pull the same kind of views or at least returning subscr= ibers=2C have no clue how to do yourselves - then I think trolling is the a= ppropriate word for it. > >=20 > > I went to a Reggie Watts concert recently here in Copenhagen. And this = by passer comment from another Danish guy that attended the show=2C stuck i= n my head ever since=3B "it's just sad that he spends so much time goofing = around and not taking it seriously=2C (in reality) he's a great musician=2C= but he choses to rely on comedy".... > >=20 > > Now this relates back to that youtube video=2C and you guys that think = you're all that in terms of you music skills and looping magic: to each his= own=2C theres a place for everything=2C there are new forms of show busine= ss=2C there are talented musicians/artists/entertainers who choose to wrap = their talents in different paper than you and your neighbor etc. > >=20 > > I could say a lot of horrible things about some of you guys music on th= is mailing list=2C tell you how crappy your atmospheric sea of infinite wei= rdo sounds and noises are nothing but a gimmick drowned in effects=2C delay= s and reverbs to hide the fact=2C that your musical talents just don't add= up. But I won't=2C because I'm not a teenager anymore. > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 = --_93a45b03-ec9d-423f-8c19-ab11d063372d_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>=3B How or should we separate the 'effect' from the 'music?' Which is wh= ich?

All is one!!

Peace

G

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

=
>=3B Subject: Re: 3 million hi= ts with livelooping
>=3B From: Cara-Quinn@earthlink.net
>=3B Date= : Fri=2C 27 Apr 2012 22:22:40 -0700
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-d= elight.com
>=3B
>=3B I must say this is the aspect of LD that I'= ve truly missed! lol!
>=3B
>=3B *glib mode over*
>=3B
&= gt=3B In all seriousness=2C this topic in itself has looped round and round= and round here so many times over the last decade and a half that it's not= even funny! lol!
>=3B

>=3B
>=3B I wonder though=2C ho= w many people really feel that more DSP really means less 'talent' or vice = versa? -Interesting=85
>=3B
>=3B Smiles=2C
>=3B
>=3B = Cara :)
>=3B ---
>=3B View my Online Portfolio at:
>=3B http= ://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn
>=3B
>=3B On Apr 27=2C 2012= =2C at 5:34 AM=2C Todd Reynolds wrote:
>=3B
>=3B Okay=2C at thi= s point i'mma gonna cook me up a bunch o popcorn. The pot just called the = kettle black=2C Dr. Freud just rolled over in his grave=2C and the show is = just about to begin.
>=3B
>=3B Sent from my iPhone
>=3B >=3B On Apr 27=2C 2012=2C at 8:25 AM=2C Torben Scharling <=3Btorbensch= arling@gmail.com>=3B wrote:
>=3B
>=3B >=3B I didn't mean you= in particular Mark=2C I'm new to this mailing list business.
>=3B >= =3B
>=3B >=3B So without mentioning any names=2C or quoting anyone= =2C what I meant was:
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B I see a lot of jea= lousy=2C insecurities=2C hatred towards other people=2C who are more succes= sful than you. Perhaps even worse musicians=2C but way better at giving aud= iences what they want/something they find interesting enough to wanna share= with their friends (and share on a mailing list).
>=3B >=3B
>= =3B >=3B This guy is a "like"=2C "share"=2C "subscribe"=2C "click on my a= ds" kind of guy. He thrives on that - good for him. Doesn't mean you have t= o do the same=2C just respect the fact that he's successful in doing what h= e's doing. (And no=2C I'm not a fan of his btw.)
>=3B >=3B
>= =3B >=3B I mean=2C it's not like this guy is a phony or a con artist. I'm= sure he works hard with what he's got. He probably realized that he's not = a super-musician=2C and learned to draw on other skills.
>=3B >=3B =
>=3B >=3B Bashing creativity=2C entertainment=2C and quite frankly = something that you=2C unless you pull the same kind of views or at least re= turning subscribers=2C have no clue how to do yourselves - then I think tro= lling is the appropriate word for it.
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B I = went to a Reggie Watts concert recently here in Copenhagen. And this by pas= ser comment from another Danish guy that attended the show=2C stuck in my h= ead ever since=3B "it's just sad that he spends so much time goofing around= and not taking it seriously=2C (in reality) he's a great musician=2C but h= e choses to rely on comedy"....
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B Now this= relates back to that youtube video=2C and you guys that think you're all t= hat in terms of you music skills and looping magic: to each his own=2C ther= es a place for everything=2C there are new forms of show business=2C there = are talented musicians/artists/entertainers who choose to wrap their talent= s in different paper than you and your neighbor etc.
>=3B >=3B
&= gt=3B >=3B I could say a lot of horrible things about some of you guys mu= sic on this mailing list=2C tell you how crappy your atmospheric sea of inf= inite weirdo sounds and noises are nothing but a gimmick drowned in effects= =2C delays and reverbs to hide the fact=2C that your musical talents just = don't add up. But I won't=2C because I'm not a teenager anymore.
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= = --_93a45b03-ec9d-423f-8c19-ab11d063372d_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 28 14:02:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1B9E183475; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 14:02:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=dNTJAQeOhQFnU80ebpmgk94seKLi8rUaTcxmrRwWspo=; b=ra8hxjVVYwc5KMsE7+KTd+Id7fO4Y1BggKTzgZ5YVPubxAcyz62B6Tz0g53+qa9k3n 7o6stwAQ7nCp01qwH0CvFmVbFH3+Ii1uuJZlasn3UEnWXJXGaOFbft8Xq5YR35APd0PH Gl/AAudDbCD8Ro3lQIvPV7wNn4RULSzkorRwUVZcUIJdVu+/4NemuBaftlgpDFaDFVIu +PZBOmZ/vQRWNnrclNrD8lSM5K7QiD/u6KvN9zk9uICb9N5udyCtmsOxtl2MlqyKzn5x RiAD+DKHFOY9w566JyMZTxat7lqaNdWs0Td+Ev3auD7//pkG2CafZWvv/4aOdAIjLmZc rdCw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> <8A3CF550-15D6-4B7B-BF30-3DC27007FB75@earthlink.net> From: todd reynolds Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:01:28 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efe2cd0b8bc3b04bebdaa26 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 14:02:10 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4efe2cd0b8bc3b04bebdaa26 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 @Matt Davignon: god, that was well put. happens to me all the time. that said, squeaky wheel gets the grease... @TheRestOfYou and Ricky: I've got this really great stuff I have that I put on my popcorn called Roger's Ubiquitous Blend. I gotta get the recipe for it. It's sort of a local product. Amazing, and make these long conversations on LD even more tasty. cheers, Todd --e0cb4efe2cd0b8bc3b04bebdaa26 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
@Matt Davignon: =A0god, that was well put. =A0ha= ppens to me all the time. =A0that said, squeaky wheel gets the grease...=A0

@TheR= estOfYou and Ricky: =A0I've got this really great stuff I have that I p= ut on my popcorn called Roger's Ubiquitous Blend. =A0I gotta get the re= cipe for it. It's sort of a local product. =A0Amazing, and make these l= ong conversations on LD even more tasty. =A0

cheers,=A0<= /div>

Todd --e0cb4efe2cd0b8bc3b04bebdaa26-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 28 14:52:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19608183466; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 14:52:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=hr4h1/zkXYERSJ2EStLXlJ9v/X1e5ATtVUFVM9Abuxk= c=1 sm=0 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=5Up8faWwAAAA:8 a=sg4B5EB3AAAA:8 a=PrenYaKSwdZGAurpaq4A:9 a=z3oWwyPCjqYp0u0ks5EA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=v6MMM96S_sUA:10 a=1PjxvALJtQIeST+ZkL7VRQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> <85105E27-F258-4760-B43A-4413A451D0A7@charter.net> <4C475E15-00F0-4F6B-86B9-42CA7185C1C3@earthlink.net> From: chaz worm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 In-Reply-To: <4C475E15-00F0-4F6B-86B9-42CA7185C1C3@earthlink.net> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:49:46 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 14:52:12 +0000 (UTC) A ThunderDome match.=20 Two men enter-one man leave.=20 I still think its a cool video. If I wasn't so unattractive perhaps I'd docu= ment my Amish live looping punk banjo shows.=20 When I first joined the Amish faith I was worried how the elders would feel a= bout my "live looping performances". I was pleasantly surprised to find they= love live looping as long as its not pre-recorded loops.=20 That was a big relief.=20 Chaz=20 Sent from my iPhone On Apr 28, 2012, at 1:40 AM, Cara Quinn wrote: > Oh but Ted, we love people getting their undies in a bunch! ;) that's what= made and makes this list awesome! lol! >=20 > Kim once said that he'd like to see me and another lister (Mark S) who'd b= een going at it for a while, in a cage match! That's the kind of thing we ne= ed more of here! -Ya know, way crazy but still friendly enough=E2=80=A6 :) -= Where is Mark S these days?=E2=80=A6 >=20 > anyway, blah blah blah=E2=80=A6 *flies back up to her perch* >=20 > Smiles, >=20 > Cara :) > --- > View my Online Portfolio at: > http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn=20 >=20 > On Apr 27, 2012, at 8:30 AM, Ted Killian wrote: >=20 > Torben, >=20 > I think that quite possibly you are reading a lot into the responses to th= e video. >=20 > Maybe...maybe not. >=20 > There is a context to everything and sometimes that context might not be a= pparent. >=20 > Trolling? I'm an old fart and don't even know what that term (?) means. >=20 > I was probably first to respond to Matthi's post anyway, so I may be somew= hat guilty of something or another. >=20 > Matthias, who originally posted the link, is the inventor of the EDP and (= in the absence of the late Kim Flint) is as near to a "Founding Father" as t= his list has. >=20 > He and I know each other, I too have been on this list nearly as long as i= t has existed myself (since 1996) so it is all like a very big long conversa= tion between us indeed. >=20 > I am afraid that I am probably guilty of replying to his link-posting as f= rankly as as a private conversation between two old acquaintances rather tha= n being especially conscious that it is like "a big room" with a lot of peop= le in it to overhear. >=20 > Did someone's undies get in a bunch because of it? >=20 > I am sorry for that. >=20 > Nothing personal was meant by it. >=20 > I did not mean to be any more dismissive to the video in question than I a= m to "pop culture" in general. >=20 > I would have similarly dismissed the late Michael Freeking Jackson. >=20 > It's just not where my interests lie. >=20 > Matthi's post was "What do you think of this?" (or something to that effec= t). >=20 > And I gave him the same brief, frank, candid answer I might have given if t= he conversation had been in private, I guess. >=20 > If that was an internet faux pas, I guess I am guilty as charged. >=20 > Am I a talentless od git poser for having done so? >=20 > Sometimes that is exactly what I feel like, personally - but for other, ra= ther more obscure reasons. >=20 > But I know I can do a few things extraordinarily well, and exactly in the a= rea that interests me - so I am happy and contented with that. >=20 > It seems like someone is taking this critique of a mere YouTube video far t= oo seriously and personally - making much more of it than is warranted. >=20 > It's like (in our various responses) we had deliberately kicked your puppy= or something. >=20 > Sorry about my lack of circumspection in my comments. >=20 > But give us a break...huh? >=20 > Peace, >=20 > Ted >=20 > On Apr 27, 2012, at 5:25 AM, Torben Scharling wrote: >=20 >> I didn't mean you in particular Mark, I'm new to this mailing list busine= ss. >>=20 >> So without mentioning any names, or quoting anyone, what I meant was: >>=20 >> I see a lot of jealousy, insecurities, hatred towards other people, who a= re more successful than you. Perhaps even worse musicians, but way better at= giving audiences what they want/something they find interesting enough to w= anna share with their friends (and share on a mailing list). >>=20 >> This guy is a "like", "share", "subscribe", "click on my ads" kind of guy= . He thrives on that - good for him. Doesn't mean you have to do the same, j= ust respect the fact that he's successful in doing what he's doing. (And no,= I'm not a fan of his btw.) >>=20 >> I mean, it's not like this guy is a phony or a con artist. I'm sure he wo= rks hard with what he's got. He probably realized that he's not a super-musi= cian, and learned to draw on other skills.=20 >>=20 >> Bashing creativity, entertainment, and quite frankly something that you, u= nless you pull the same kind of views or at least returning subscribers, hav= e no clue how to do yourselves - then I think trolling is the appropriate wo= rd for it. >>=20 >> I went to a Reggie Watts concert recently here in Copenhagen. And this by= passer comment from another Danish guy that attended the show, stuck in my h= ead ever since; "it's just sad that he spends so much time goofing around an= d not taking it seriously, (in reality) he's a great musician, but he choses= to rely on comedy".... >>=20 >> Now this relates back to that youtube video, and you guys that think you'= re all that in terms of you music skills and looping magic: to each his own,= theres a place for everything, there are new forms of show business, there a= re talented musicians/artists/entertainers who choose to wrap their talents i= n different paper than you and your neighbor etc. >>=20 >> I could say a lot of horrible things about some of you guys music on this= mailing list, tell you how crappy your atmospheric sea of infinite weirdo s= ounds and noises are nothing but a gimmick drowned in effects, delays and r= everbs to hide the fact, that your musical talents just don't add up. But I w= on't, because I'm not a teenager anymore. >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 28 14:54:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90BEE183486; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 14:54:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LrhnRFgX6kJpbWRvaEe9vUpEsU4ypeafVs06LVhvgdg=; b=JfuFN+HraenPovZNdv9V71W6zbl2/ySLEaPkAJSQeXyWxwiUSeleB/MWsC8OYThViF yAQp2kbipdes9mj6WyQGkXOn19k9jWKh9OfoSDpzdFi6mfT9oVdnh7uQEoMLqjHO5dqy mbH12tfIO0rI+h2eUyQYMnzuUDwMB/PRT1mH3fBtKLkIXezzI756efOGww1cx066I1kW gW2I4Ry5sZiGr5zypinCSquUz6VeDFvBXpYgw+VBDCEHtpJYE3N7jC72UOzfxCgQhkj0 t/8w+c65TJ317OGvV8r19E4YFvSRFxiERQZBLYqkNa/JBJGCIghIl+hSz/jJKjHcvTA7 HKAQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> <8A3CF550-15D6-4B7B-BF30-3DC27007FB75@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 15:54:37 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 14:54:39 +0000 (UTC) When you get that recipe, be sure to share it ;) R On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 3:01 PM, todd reynolds wrote: > @Matt Davignon: =A0god, that was well put. =A0happens to me all the time.= =A0that > said, squeaky wheel gets the grease... > > @TheRestOfYou and Ricky: =A0I've got this really great stuff I have that = I put > on my popcorn called Roger's Ubiquitous Blend. =A0I gotta get the recipe = for > it. It's sort of a local product. =A0Amazing, and make these long > conversations on LD even more tasty. > > cheers, > > Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 28 14:55:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51E94183478; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 14:55:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=9cVRbIrDME6e4FQEJzsHlO0a/IbLlZkOoPJeu5G2vjs=; b=Q7i5DXcFeTI5QZZWxceBzE9BMpx9NOb19po9wv0kaKWed8VJCobEChBJqXXH1zLCMU QtnVQHlYH80zoQOEFhkZpSsoAt7jbFgLyAKS4j/lIJzxAKjoTZL87m37reOPbuhSYYsY NzetIZfB+oej3tszAp+2Jz8jfAfMA+Jm2z/hFrT55IViaf4/qWfXz5RIO52Wmt6D8qx1 cJK3wczqrl/5c0KnuB860a0/bQfMYXoArKQUIG1cn3s6ZUuCNNu5f4l+dTGDHCxzq5JE kVTU/0fgWwDJbPfivHr1WfV1EPmg2SHvoOqw5Sb5R95KqFN/FfKbePosEy0ncPNUebqB H18A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:55:43 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Looping at North Sea Jazz on July 8 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 14:55:44 +0000 (UTC) Happy to tell that we will play with The Erdem Helvac=C4=B1o=C4=9Flu and Pe= r Boysen Duo at http://www.northseajazz.com/en Exciting three day long festival in Rotterdam, Neatherlands. Nice mixed line-up. Anyone here going? Normally I can't afford tickets to such events so I hope I can spend the evening after our concert to run over to two larger stages and see some of my long time heroes play. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 28 14:57:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5318183477; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 14:57:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=qTj3YgH1l2pG7cK87epsq6/Q02tAMjp3a/jOlINqrcU=; b=bUdDUoDvVKhwNrmFUozeb8O5Nv9W19GGfZ+oxgtULZr9se2Wwm2VY43ihhlAuo6x+u DaLlobffShTZhnLEFR43e7hbNWSb0Tojlc9NK3JO/FtSEwtQh246Aw+9dqRyJtA5y9SO +BwUqlRGscApaEJWMLsYnMqV5kjJq7NfD2HUxXYBfPSaJxXRLBF6bglmSrkGLdsTi3Gx DY0vLcDGOtN++vlR6HRUJUEt/Iv3+TA2y7t4uq4VCvvE28xfcWAw1MNk/IEJxwNVMLT0 FlQH1TQTKMkAR5HAA6fLXL7RUpB4JpMMFEYT6ZvulURzfdOULm4GcpTTk22vdMixsfef sPdQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> <8A3CF550-15D6-4B7B-BF30-3DC27007FB75@earthlink.net> From: todd reynolds Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:57:01 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efe2cd062231704bebe71d8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 14:57:43 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4efe2cd062231704bebe71d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable share it? i'll live loop it! on video.. On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Ricky Graham wrote: > When you get that recipe, be sure to share it ;) > > R > > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 3:01 PM, todd reynolds wrote= : > > @Matt Davignon: god, that was well put. happens to me all the time. > that > > said, squeaky wheel gets the grease... > > > > @TheRestOfYou and Ricky: I've got this really great stuff I have that = I > put > > on my popcorn called Roger's Ubiquitous Blend. I gotta get the recipe > for > > it. It's sort of a local product. Amazing, and make these long > > conversations on LD even more tasty. > > > > cheers, > > > > Todd > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =95 *The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011* - Amazon.com =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://toddreynolds.com http://twitter.com/digifiddler http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://facebook.com/toddreynolds http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds need me right away? Call or text me at 917.576.6166 --e0cb4efe2cd062231704bebe71d8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
share it? =A0i'll live loop it! =A0on video.= .

On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Ricky= Graham <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com> wrote:
When you get that recipe, be sure to share i= t ;)

R

On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 3:01 PM, todd reynolds <toddreyn@gmail.com> wrote:
> @Matt Davignon: =A0god, that was well put. =A0happens to me all the ti= me. =A0that
> said, squeaky wheel gets the grease...
>
> @TheRestOfYou and Ricky: =A0I've got this really great stuff I hav= e that I put
> on my popcorn called Roger's Ubiquitous Blend. =A0I gotta get the = recipe for
> it. It's sort of a local product. =A0Amazing, and make these long<= br> > conversations on LD even more tasty.
>
> cheers,
>
> Todd




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=95=A0Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now avail= able wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however!=A0=

need me right away? =A0Call or text me at 917.576.6166



--e0cb4efe2cd062231704bebe71d8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 28 15:05:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF0DD183478; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 15:05:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=1S9GuI5KdkYNBFj8MqxQKmo0l3eF/ygwt0YENjZMubo=; b=bYZcUjCydwVe+GFo9kcZ8Xf+nwqHUgsqwo7rXpTtRQjo2Z1tDqEQBPrrn9WUJTnfCa nZNNu15dfnQobEETZirekCpvcS2Zx2Nc/yWKiP1Hu8Sh/zxABoDEVD5vQTgivitq7u4+ Kyu67ipl7yk8yamKVH/OKAYrjlSjAOO6HXDgz0Zyq+iA5BICau+ldVbeRzwL91Ex/Usk s4z+7uCRy3+SiW17zLGAe91oaqP3ADTvsQE5RLbOCgm8yeWl22Q+tMD7qHxWbtZ+x92/ 0RZbLonTOmnjt4UtCRl/OZRr0tgBNn6ZLne6ftEwjTgJEIF4dqXkDAOED0ONk09ayIAo catA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:05:39 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looping at North Sea Jazz on July 8 From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00221572766edb620704bebe8d2e Resent-Message-ID: <-7Gd2C.A.lvH.EdAnPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 15:05:40 +0000 (UTC) --00221572766edb620704bebe8d2e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per that looks great! Congrats on you and Erdem getting to play there. Jim On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Happy to tell that we will play with The Erdem Helvac=C4=B1o=C4=9Flu and = Per Boysen > Duo at > > http://www.northseajazz.com/en > > Exciting three day long festival in Rotterdam, Neatherlands. Nice > mixed line-up. Anyone here going? Normally I can't afford tickets to > such events so I hope I can spend the evening after our concert to run > over to two larger stages and see some of my long time heroes play. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > --=20 --=20 *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. *From Brooklyn To Glindran*, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=C3=B6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. --00221572766edb620704bebe8d2e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Per that looks great! =C2=A0Congrats on you and = Erdem getting to play there.

Jim

On Sat, Apr 28= , 2012 at 10:55 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote= :
Happy to tell that we will play with The Erd= em Helvac=C4=B1o=C4=9Flu and Per Boysen Duo at

http://www.nor= thseajazz.com/en

Exciting three day long festival in Rotterdam, Neatherlands. Nice
mixed line-up. Anyone here going? Normally I can't afford tickets to such events so I hope I can spend the evening after our concert to run
over to two larger stages and see some of my long time heroes play.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen




--
--=C2=A0
Tips Across the Wa= ters, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording = by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=C3=B6rn.=C2=A0 Proceeds
from the sale of th= is CD will benefit JDRF International.=C2=A0=C2=A0jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.= com.

--00221572766edb620704bebe8d2e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 28 15:17:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9C29183475; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 15:17:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=b/Jj1lGx3vqd15Tj6tVHyYp1wI6BfYrfJb8agaw4b4M=; b=iy3AordaD/geAe5897l6ilL5x1IPeMSHq1Oq5sFprltHU1+3/yLYs1iFBcGM46YrOV d3abaC3zSZzGyEsY90g2i+b7mGyog5MXEU+Edq16Vh4dx02zsEtR/515JPIoVWmYE8Tt glWtnd4iHfYX2c8QmL8ISQuwSjgNeWamSOcJ1TnYEkHVDxt8d7jNRVc8ZrtIYCrftR8F Ge+NI8rxM2hZAC39xGvy6THn6IjZJVtzbRXAQ7xWN7LXEzVBL6Km0vz7AmmNOEdArxjm r69nQEG4/IHo7PICqU5jtllpeKZxc5B5G6hlagsQug+8H29fycyrVIV7NaCEzEixWh3i /o6Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> <8A3CF550-15D6-4B7B-BF30-3DC27007FB75@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:17:01 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 15:17:02 +0000 (UTC) Ha! Calling into question the "liveness" of the act of preparing and eating popcorn. Controversial move, sir. On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 3:57 PM, todd reynolds wrote: > share it? =A0i'll live loop it! =A0on video.. > > > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Ricky Graham > wrote: >> >> When you get that recipe, be sure to share it ;) >> >> R >> >> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 3:01 PM, todd reynolds wrot= e: >> > @Matt Davignon: =A0god, that was well put. =A0happens to me all the ti= me. >> > =A0that >> > said, squeaky wheel gets the grease... >> > >> > @TheRestOfYou and Ricky: =A0I've got this really great stuff I have th= at I >> > put >> > on my popcorn called Roger's Ubiquitous Blend. =A0I gotta get the reci= pe >> > for >> > it. It's sort of a local product. =A0Amazing, and make these long >> > conversations on LD even more tasty. >> > >> > cheers, >> > >> > Todd >> > > > > -- > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =95 The Best Classical Music of=A0the Year, 2011 - Amazon.com > > =95=A0Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wherev= er > music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > http://toddreynolds.com > http://twitter.com/digifiddler > http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic > http://blog.toddreynolds.com > http://facebook.com/toddreynolds > http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds > > need me right away? =A0Call or text me at 917.576.6166 > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 28 15:20:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EE95183477; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 15:20:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=9DtneIwW8zTvkJ+L/12GIF0lQzeP6lh/Cau/ad2Qa8Y=; b=p9FHph1tRZeLynvXo1Avg425zvlm9NTMgtK28IQNEemLxkgJMiL9uKgRB9ZOsPq7bS wgctGpccxDid/PHvFh/NMfSrI46BnEtot5A55ZIzpOBfJtm2HX6m7vTT2/Cb185XwWkZ Ogb3Z+1l4BwVDdKAkaxCuPLNo04EclGT0jrmy1f3M4xFo1d7h5Jums2ocRxwxAZHa5ZL Gm+0oAADCQ7V/XR3jrI1N1my5dVPWugO5HjWoew6Gy/on0KtIgEynzbWhjilXyZwlMhA h2uQCfvfMuGpK15gBJwdknczpWtejmu573yF7+D90qpRsAyw04SKuvluPU5s8jgipw8V MW2A== Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> <8A3CF550-15D6-4B7B-BF30-3DC27007FB75@earthlink.net> From: Todd Reynolds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B179) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <59C4667F-84E9-420B-A29A-7F69B493311B@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:20:37 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 15:20:41 +0000 (UTC) Preparing for the onslaught here. (smile) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 28, 2012, at 11:17 AM, Ricky Graham wrot= e: > Ha! Calling into question the "liveness" of the act of preparing and > eating popcorn. Controversial move, sir. >=20 > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 3:57 PM, todd reynolds wrote:= >> share it? i'll live loop it! on video.. >>=20 >>=20 >> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Ricky Graham >> wrote: >>>=20 >>> When you get that recipe, be sure to share it ;) >>>=20 >>> R >>>=20 >>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 3:01 PM, todd reynolds wrot= e: >>>> @Matt Davignon: god, that was well put. happens to me all the time. >>>> that >>>> said, squeaky wheel gets the grease... >>>>=20 >>>> @TheRestOfYou and Ricky: I've got this really great stuff I have that I= >>>> put >>>> on my popcorn called Roger's Ubiquitous Blend. I gotta get the recipe >>>> for >>>> it. It's sort of a local product. Amazing, and make these long >>>> conversations on LD even more tasty. >>>>=20 >>>> cheers, >>>>=20 >>>> Todd >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> =E2=80=A2 The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011 - Amazon.com >>=20 >> =E2=80=A2 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wh= erever >> music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! >>=20 >>=20 >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> http://toddreynolds.com >> http://twitter.com/digifiddler >> http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic >> http://blog.toddreynolds.com >> http://facebook.com/toddreynolds >> http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds >>=20 >> need me right away? Call or text me at 917.576.6166 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 28 15:26:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2198183477; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 15:26:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F9C0C1D.6050201@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 08:26:21 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tyler CC: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: plan for an annual Looper's Delight / Livelooping telephone conference call References: <20120428010933.16119.41785.levelstar.mail@everest> In-Reply-To: <20120428010933.16119.41785.levelstar.mail@everest> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 15:26:28 +0000 (UTC) On 4/27/12 6:09 PM, Tyler wrote: > Hello, everybody! I just got this great idea that I think a lot of you will like! Lately, I've had > a lot of experience controlling conference calls; participating in them, helping moderate them, and so on. > I think that there should be a Looper's Delight / Livelooping chat. I'd even set it up for you > guys; schedule it, give instructions on how to get into the chat, and just control the flow of things. Readers > of Looper's Delight and Livelooping would be welcome; we could even share loop sounds over the > phone lines! The Looper's Delight / Livelooping Conference! I would record it each time, > and put the recording up on a server and send it. Would you guys like a digital conference once a year? > Remember, I'll do all the setting up, programming and scheduling. > Tyler Zahnke > That sounds hella fun. I'm down! rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 28 16:06:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF0B9183479; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:06:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0912920158==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120428160617.23275.41785.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:06:18 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: next step in planning the annual Looper's Delight / Livelooping Conference Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:06:18 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0912920158== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello.=20As=20you=20may=20remember,=20in=20a=20previous=20post,=20I=20thoug= ht=20it=20would=20be=20a=20great=20idea=20to=20have=20a=20 digital=20chat,=20or=20conference=20call,=20for=20Looper's=20Delight=20and= =20Livelooping=20users,=20where=20looping=20 musicians=20can=20share=20their=20ideas=20(and=20possibly=20sounds)=20over= =20the=20phone=20lines.=20What=20we=20need=20from=20you=20is=20 the=20time=20of=20year=20you=20think=20it=20should=20take=20place.=20I've= =20been=20thinking=20June,=20but=20we=20need=20to=20know=20exactly=20 when.=20We=20would=20like=20to=20have=20the=20first=20one=20this=20year.=20= So,=20if=20June=20is=20good,=20what=20week=20in=20June?=20We=20will=20be=20 using=20Conversation=20Station,=20a=20special=20conference=20call=20service= .=20More=20on=20that=20later.=20And=20remember,=20I=20will=20 take=20care=20of=20the=20recording=20and=20programming. Tyler=20Z --===============0912920158==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 28 16:25:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23E86183462; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:25:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1335630302; bh=qrfts9ZrJkENYzybhUDao+6fJaXPiG1Ba5ElVWDdB24=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer; b=zoaVZNdOvEz4crZ/QRN8M7p//hQUfmQ+ejng1A8id9eP6bcKqZdhilL8AuNcUX4MxrT9v6vTx9NlwLyy8neoxF0KVQVnEdjYdq1yBXlHXhtaGz8Famzfr3bwxSpp0qrV8fipEj8oSZ7Pn4lI4l6BrG5PjTkjquOXyxR/skaHs9A= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 133734.19380.bm@smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: KHcE.TYVM1mDuHOtv_m8aCXLqrkzWrXlDMrM2CYoZUDlYTV IWyDFRfax8Hyc3RXg57iSpFlafnXImnUec.yq2Cl0ievbSFO5kwWWcL9V0as eS1oRiHPsbRTi1sn7ElVn6Q4RHSY8Ud1DH0KwLDl.ikMH3K2UGFxdedsbGgT BbLMwBIayQoZ3r8djnfRiloiyXYMEN0KPgXQ6OJa1.OFbk3Tif59Li3jpC0D hw1zl3bCpdmYzf5UAoLGhIULUWrBbq_5Lm5G9Rdr8oKxY8oxnUFsIx2EuYdR GS4S86ns25rgt.sOE9V520Nb4nh.m4IXMHZsHHz2fsb0Q1Ukjmh5H8Dkq73Y x7sEZRL1yd.bmjKHgm4gVhQ0Fo9MzIb2_K1ZEs.ZilePFDNVAb.x3bgnsraR hLg95l1YTgtRlkxapbrE17FzqQfc5l4th3CffiI.vpOnbRsxOPpSSfETTsLQ 8_iYWI8.lgbHCdx63VvZwoq6DjUfduxSafORlijNQk8n_Ekwap.aH7X3l0rL OVbOjWUB63E2fWcM9tCI_CCEO5Yqi84oSphj9UK4wCwjTM4VQxqFunjhg1DN 49VbAu6QtZ.sf9J3Njja..wXa_w1904TaWfQ- X-Yahoo-SMTP: ILs26NSswBDuK82.iJb8TCN7cubm0SmUbZYidhSBIQ-- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Subject: Re: Looping at North Sea Jazz on July 8 From: Laurie Amat In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:25:00 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:25:04 +0000 (UTC) Congratulations Per, That will be so fantastic. I wish I could hear you = both! On Apr 28, 2012, at 7:55 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Happy to tell that we will play with The Erdem Helvac=C4=B1o=C4=9Flu = and Per Boysen Duo at >=20 > http://www.northseajazz.com/en >=20 > Exciting three day long festival in Rotterdam, Neatherlands. Nice > mixed line-up. Anyone here going? Normally I can't afford tickets to > such events so I hope I can spend the evening after our concert to run > over to two larger stages and see some of my long time heroes play. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 28 16:50:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FA89183474; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:50:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:50:25 UTC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 18:43:42 +0200 From: buzap@gmx.net Message-ID: <20120428164342.11170@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RC-2 to PA needs DI box? To: "LD LoopersDelight" X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/hRjEKtRHhWo7qkPQzZ6zOP9Wh90r85bwCw5SriA KAiYNgXvgxOLAxzdXC3ZL/vZsiuQvyd9mqpw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: aXvubzlleSEqV8h4kHUhQD9+IGRvb0D3 Resent-Message-ID: <6JDWzD.A.-DB.S_BnPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:50:26 +0000 (UTC) Hi Folks been quite busy (lot of other things - also music related - but looping...) lately. Is it right that for connecting the Boss RC-2 Looper to a PA, I need either Hi-Z Input (Guitar input) or a DI box? I always thought it was line compatible but now I'm not so sure. best regards Buzap -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 28 17:57:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90ABB183475; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 17:57:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=8kTSvfaQ4xafsNXEgS6d49RKA99k1NS5H5AEmPqaAYI=; b=PWPPeF34plFG7jOk0tgJL2h421pWqety7xvqqQ5ld1T7kFdl+C//yZ5UUr2DWlNi1x 1OLigm4Q4ZFuLHJHwYoFKVETk7d1WI8T/RBiiIyefBIOhog2e+1vVfNC6NwxXOgwLXQs BpUdRGNCQdmZ7KVAzMoPT52dntTeHraLPL1LK0HW7jPOd92l3L1FC8M12VkpiNdzMvaj 2U+DoLAdL//IrmM4DutrSf5BwwaZghRfgjOGHPn8tH3cFENABJOBdJueDPFL0VaYbvty nQQkAz0snfDx0n0Mi95+WXJJ4VxlrngIYAUrCuhcRhMrFQOl/omPqEFOJWCH9lCIwU2b +vUw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120428164342.11170@gmx.net> References: <20120428164342.11170@gmx.net> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:57:02 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RC-2 to PA needs DI box? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <-3exO.A.hkB.v9CnPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 17:57:03 +0000 (UTC) As I understand it "line level" is not compatible with a PA, since the PA's stage box usually has XLR jacks and that's another system with some low voltage kept in the mic cable and then the signal is passed by the fluctuations in this "standing cable voltage". Line level simply sends the signal current directly, so you need a line box to translate between the two systems. Also be aware about "instrument level" that is a little bit different than "line level", but pretty close. Isn't it written on the RC-2 what signal it sends? You can always go to Rolands product page and check. If a mixer is fronting the PA there might be suitable inputs for the RC-2 on the mixer, but your number one task is to find out what the RC-2 sends. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 6:43 PM, wrote: > Hi Folks > > been quite busy (lot of other things - also music related - but looping...) lately. > > Is it right that for connecting the Boss RC-2 Looper to a PA, I need either Hi-Z Input (Guitar input) or a DI box? > I always thought it was line compatible but now I'm not so sure. > > best regards > Buzap > -- > Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir > belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 29 11:39:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7CF9183466; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 11:39:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 13:39:09 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20120429113909.11180@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20120428164342.11170@gmx.net> Subject: Re: RC-2 to PA needs DI box? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18uzElSoP0ukEk9umeIt2G6aYfEPB3PNRFZqryw5a vw9xlEXcFR85Qe919Y2ZVlZtHm9+zxrzlsKg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: Ck3vbzpleSEqV8h4kHUhwWF+IGRvb8Ab Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 11:39:13 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per thanks for your response. Boss says: Nominal Input Level -20 dBu Input Impedance 1 M ohms Nominal Output Level -20 dBu Output Impedance 1 k ohms Recommended Load Impedance 10 k ohms or greater I don't know what it translates to. I guess the PA/mixer could handle any normal instrumen/line or whatever level. But if the impedance is intended for a guitar amp, that would go bad. best regards Buzap -- NEU: FreePhone 3-fach-Flat mit kostenlosem Smartphone! Jetzt informieren: http://mobile.1und1.de/?ac=OM.PW.PW003K20328T7073a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 29 11:51:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F497183465; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 11:51:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VUlzCSSoG/lC5fdntEBCgNnwKQsNAXrwCVZAZWSg3MQ=; b=Yypfj0B41HDHD2aEFBKZP4gvS9RJRvdSrmo5m7hkS3D8qde/oGBAaQVZ40xmsgWJ6U WcfV9+FGbuglkPO75qvx98JHELdXoUoc+L7pkdVq2wOu7k10/MYhD2BRXElc/VYS5UWb /MPsEastp8Wek1jvYrO65cb7tXhJ67MZEyhK168mkCst/R0VV2I+o7PSGbNm2tXJt0Nz FSThRbgtNHzXqM775CJ7FbZXHzEIVZGyuLqtrY4f/Q1mbzAzMqhdftU6RoFt2n68EjFZ vXSa+DrxO2DatkzLNzb6Ero73WG3+QOrMA+886B/ewf1zavCNNP3fsqnfPviDbTqQwab VgXQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120429113909.11180@gmx.net> References: <20120428164342.11170@gmx.net> <20120429113909.11180@gmx.net> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 13:51:46 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RC-2 to PA needs DI box? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 11:51:47 +0000 (UTC) -20 dBu should be well inside the range a mixer can handle. If plugging the RC directly into a XLR stage box you may need a line box in between. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi Per > > thanks for your response. > Boss says: > Nominal Input Level > =C2=A0 =C2=A0-20 dBu > Input Impedance > =C2=A0 =C2=A01 M ohms > Nominal Output Level > =C2=A0 =C2=A0-20 dBu > Output Impedance > =C2=A0 =C2=A01 k ohms > Recommended Load Impedance > =C2=A0 =C2=A010 k ohms or greater > > I don't know what it translates to. I guess the PA/mixer could handle any= normal instrumen/line or whatever level. But if the impedance is intended = for a guitar amp, that would go bad. > > best regards > Buzap > > > > -- > NEU: FreePhone 3-fach-Flat mit kostenlosem Smartphone! > Jetzt informieren: http://mobile.1und1.de/?ac=3DOM.PW.PW003K20328T7073a > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 29 11:53:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CD0F183474; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 11:53:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=sF3FsjIkrPfIdbDpmiqQqDqXQa2I3p03mrHCqZj5IIE=; b=BXIQQGLacreMYu1B6LMapv+CISSACuslZ/biWpoJ3JGFuNK8OKFZYCFATL+TwXiKqE DOu0TAzM2n5MhoPKK0mz2Ih2DNJc545b/gvxhs9xT6WFThlqG6oJmUSjFRrHPEAb9Psu ha5BW5iVTesa6T77QhhaCQb7O/I8XsSY01PGbrTN7HTnNLm5wF/Tweng30SJp7j2serU F50G6DD+wbad2+lU8AZ9DTgVcXAs05CqZOBEdutAs0cJM4oWWuPKdKBSZncwKJCzjixQ Lu7iMANfloDUfSZmofg+jVtcdPmhtAr36TqVjTwmySkiShufuZZpOoDXT78kx634SZ1f XrMQ== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Subject: Re: Echoplex Problem From: Matthias Grob In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 08:53:30 -0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <53C1BEEC-CDD4-4B93-A77E-AC948EDA9593@gmail.com> References: <37C363AB-A7AF-4F28-BFD7-B5F92C722726@tyfoo.de> <39B0C73B-E4E9-46D5-90BD-655B7706F73D@tyfoo.de> <4F9AE267.8030803@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 11:53:36 +0000 (UTC) no, we record the presets to a EEPROM and after powering up with Param pressed, that should be erased so can you save any presets so they come up again after power down? On 27 Apr 2012, at 4:12 PM, Carsten Wegener wrote: > It=B4s a normal Echoplex Looper with Loop IV, I think there shouldnt = be a battery inside. >=20 > Am 27.04.2012 um 20:16 schrieb andy butler: >=20 >> Carsten Wegener wrote: >>> I did a reset, then it works. But I have make all my settings again. = After shutting down the EDP it=B4s the same again with the problem.... >>=20 >> is there a battery in there somewhere? >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 29 13:26:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08D5B183466; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 13:26:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=c8rM/xiqTtG/ZLloEcETRKCpSO94DTuuNEtLCKqtfW0=; b=e+Q20CjZUXVMI5/XF5wpjc4bS8/XnNK7Mraub8mYIl1/dl02VaBqgXfTW2MrIQLOEK eXq0vJew92Bs8Lf/pY9j1dGNANvp0dW4rpZ0t/Sx6tkdMACEoa2wHRomTcV8Ev/mZZ57 C4u7coGIL3Q2a5RgSxkGQ2o0JJH+1Sq2wmq0bkphmSonQBXmbE0RAIZozkIwMdp+JKwn ZW7t8Gvys4qaBAhb6hSe1s5JUexMELeFchZjwnL6aFnLdVjzed8EUNMo2JxmEdNS4Z5/ y20UHU7bA2qrT22bHfFIFjfmxyWk3uCsIduyFy36wxKGmBuJALTLIDlpU8ZnCwFZ3azm avFQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <59C4667F-84E9-420B-A29A-7F69B493311B@gmail.com> References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> <59C4667F-84E9-420B-A29A-7F69B493311B@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 16:26:55 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174bea709e11fa04bed14a26 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 13:26:57 +0000 (UTC) --0015174bea709e11fa04bed14a26 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I like my popcorn pre-recorded in a Thunder Dome. --0015174bea709e11fa04bed14a26 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I like my popcorn pre-recorded in a Thunder Dome.

--0015174bea709e11fa04bed14a26-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 29 14:39:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5C3B18345C; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 14:39:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=JxUWp5bV9Dy6y6SnZSbhjDgl+YEUDmGsuBoyMu7ET4A=; b=JUl26kXbhQZPzXFYYG0MnbwzTZ/v+N46O4I5gtzvBjPRVYh6mqs0Q4BFSsvP/GcEjj WKopBwJ6S4nAKKpnn8pOnMm+7T9g0taRDGaG00XQ0F170RVBOBAOGUajy+/6Mo5bBi1h DjHaKIu+DiGWTIZUFOKSjuPgrdh6HBimI3/40pXXYNGKf7M4kQDgL8z1p9ZHeu6m5Px8 ah0uUTqb7dXU3Qzie7ZdNtCMjWjWzLdrPx5qjiRMnXwMRt7UUiB4VxDTX+S6nTquWKDf Fm2rJdN9toAOrEXld4IQ0LX/w/hudNH1Xo8hjJ9JFMhZUjzJ29B4jxgtvDK/ukuo4fYo cBLg== Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> <59C4667F-84E9-420B-A29A-7F69B493311B@gmail.com> From: Todd Reynolds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B179) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 10:38:57 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 14:39:06 +0000 (UTC) Wow. Sounds delicious.=20 Sent from my iPhone On Apr 29, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Petri Lahtinen wr= ote: > I like my popcorn pre-recorded in a Thunder Dome. >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 29 14:41:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CF37183473; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 14:41:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=V5pqL0SkH75vZnT+O2x2Lc9T8YxifJd81RZeoDm6tUU=; b=lwobEGOwagaYuQ/lTMveoQ0jDea144+LBwyId1u8ojEpsZcPBx8QyDFzgRDCsl26yi N1nS6ap6eE423YxZkZaR8+aTz9CtkK8aGq5sRGlGSCDQluAaZKeOxP2dWUB6TZOt2BV2 f5HgxoiLhHHyBWjtg6zlj89ZDPTf6+IcTwCVorkUSglAzp9SH9m6XAdr9kdJ7gVb9ABM 0czmx5Xcu72tRDZcH+GhYbi2ubx0v46GRAGZoTMFuUxbmu/DCY4pyp6jBgidU8xLj1RP ETcwVX/GbYzgHh4EeqR79+myrXFFQrEWCqWWNblAAjcZEMI3Y3z18LxdzOk5DLMc2OJ8 c13g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> <59C4667F-84E9-420B-A29A-7F69B493311B@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 16:41:48 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <0MQOrC.A.eUB.tMVnPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 14:41:49 +0000 (UTC) 3 million popcorn hits! And... LIVELOOPING!!!! Will need a drink... or two :-) On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Todd Reynolds wrote: > Wow. Sounds delicious. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 29, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > >> I like my popcorn pre-recorded in a Thunder Dome. >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 29 14:53:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB66A183474; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 14:53:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=dmEAsrBESHBoUgvYMoweTyiOsNqSEo1p7AfeDZOvEA8=; b=mEhCTeidklSapJmTidi9SCDrLnKvwx/D99l+85vlsn8N3aw9KVNVxoOWeN52MLDBZY RBymBM6oInQhvgNQfwKd56/ceyhWwN302CiJpxh3Y4cmqEV+V+S7QOtfyAUr5DCQG+fT vq1mp7oXm6UYS/52JcCjE6S89SpUB3plXwCwiiLPGb5sDNU7EuL18yWM7pi94v4M/Ie+ +7aGQP7v65/Ergi7hSuze0F8Ezafg7XZS1/vJ75UnyRFQ59FJbaE1o/MD4yCWhbOAQST Rnthg+52/oy+8OFhkj7/XPUCmWMkETPvyHvp695NbrHE93p0uRs/OpbsJdhrVAWSfcWv 74mA== Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> <59C4667F-84E9-420B-A29A-7F69B493311B@gmail.com> From: Todd Reynolds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B179) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <99F4E7D2-5967-4B29-8CD6-BCC9FCBAF9FF@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 10:53:31 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: <0IA_jD.A.LpB.yXVnPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 14:53:38 +0000 (UTC) With the drinking game I've been playing w this particular thread. I'm way p= ast that.=20 Sent from my iPhone On Apr 29, 2012, at 10:41 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > 3 million popcorn hits! And... LIVELOOPING!!!! Will need a drink... or t= wo :-) >=20 > On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Todd Reynolds wrote:= >> Wow. Sounds delicious. >>=20 >> Sent from my iPhone >>=20 >> On Apr 29, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Petri Lahtinen = wrote: >>=20 >>> I like my popcorn pre-recorded in a Thunder Dome. >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 29 20:28:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7735A183466; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 20:28:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3603 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 20:28:57 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-29_07:2012-04-29,2012-04-29,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=3 spamscore=3 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1204290250 Subject: EDP Help From: kenn lowy In-reply-to: <20120429115148.39337183462@arsenic.violacea.com> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 15:28:47 -0400 Message-id: References: <20120429115148.39337183462@arsenic.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 20:28:58 +0000 (UTC) My EDP has gone into an odd state. The parameter button no longer works. I can hit record and it goes into record mode, but nothing is recoded (none of the lights are on). Any suggestions?? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 29 21:56:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87BC8183466; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:56:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=UIPCVxMYEVk0PIkB7hGJMIbQi2EPekgcIe+9LAP0XiE=; b=xpER+Ui2eHhdb/l+aEtC+aO83jDSuy9g0D5K7/NLlRj4rZ6nLr8eEYqLLgKKwzRBcG J+fmFamq0F3FFLz3RLvb/revl8pde/A8dpOxyeIAq4FBbLekXydJuom6VPFGUGPB3JeC AgIcWsWSGeTaQDh6s0Qx870zC7I1iRwLcJVY3liFqlE23ZwhBwzgr63lAkh3QCHrh3XZ APsXHW0qtkUN4zVPYV+gPdWwnxUiL0eDI+OPelo2jP+PuTRIXQKAeJeRVUrYMuVmwmej FhKN3P2MW/ULnYxQiQW82Hpw4hosRlTP8U/tjI12+t4js8LGkloT+/hIiS0GG1xYdzQE K2tw== Subject: Craving to write From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 14:56:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:56:20 +0000 (UTC) I've got probably 70+ song ideas and it burns to not have time for them!!!! Kaylon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 29 21:57:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B4E8183473; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:57:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Echoplex Problem From: Carsten Wegener In-Reply-To: <53C1BEEC-CDD4-4B93-A77E-AC948EDA9593@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 23:57:23 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <756B4BF4-2E54-4696-AE8F-CF797B645EF6@tyfoo.de> References: <37C363AB-A7AF-4F28-BFD7-B5F92C722726@tyfoo.de> <39B0C73B-E4E9-46D5-90BD-655B7706F73D@tyfoo.de> <4F9AE267.8030803@tiscali.co.uk> <53C1BEEC-CDD4-4B93-A77E-AC948EDA9593@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <7m118B.A.P1E.FlbnPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:57:25 +0000 (UTC) It happens like that. I do a reset. Record works properly (after second it just loops on and = on) I do all my settings, after each new setting still the same, but if I shut down the Echoplex, all my settings are saved, the only = thing that changes, is that after the second of record the recorded loop plays once and disappears. The length is still on the = display, but no sound anymore. All the lights are green. If I try to reach the Loop via the next = loop-button - just the same.... Very strange. Am 29.04.2012 um 13:53 schrieb Matthias Grob: > no, we record the presets to a EEPROM > and after powering up with Param pressed, that should be erased > so can you save any presets so they come up again after power down? >=20 > On 27 Apr 2012, at 4:12 PM, Carsten Wegener wrote: >=20 >> It=B4s a normal Echoplex Looper with Loop IV, I think there shouldnt = be a battery inside. >>=20 >> Am 27.04.2012 um 20:16 schrieb andy butler: >>=20 >>> Carsten Wegener wrote: >>>> I did a reset, then it works. But I have make all my settings = again. After shutting down the EDP it=B4s the same again with the = problem.... >>>=20 >>> is there a battery in there somewhere? >>=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 30 02:07:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B12BF183463; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 02:07:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=jwxBNK7WLYeXzJ3l36Fp1dciw+O4UWjbs+os0BMjdvA=; b=PHsfGlC9JwBTq3Addd05OT5PO0GleHhKL3BT0v6ee7uUCgrQ/KFNV8aB7Mr0CZKq3+ j5yax7kToJoBnSUFirrUz9MbwNszwmThL4mqkNs24fyEbV38RINpXCwIvgbLMpzSqlP7 Ha4z9aKCIP3l0yUNrVXB3W/oohc326jzO8iCnq+FTGkREwPYKQQkhl+dAmItVxcpQ3yu QFNpjp7UpvjCXpWXjgZ2Pvkz60y7+MuZVszimt+9BoZ1dwl4eMS5zXJ/MFDajapsHzLY zt/molOmOZ40fYB+oDepicqdlZ7Z4E/78nZwjl/LWYsit6QTfRBxYCQ/ZspQM0I9G1me L0/Q== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Subject: Re: Echoplex Problem From: Matthias Grob In-Reply-To: <756B4BF4-2E54-4696-AE8F-CF797B645EF6@tyfoo.de> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 23:07:04 -0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2242DAD5-0F42-4785-8679-AFADB216CF3F@gmail.com> References: <37C363AB-A7AF-4F28-BFD7-B5F92C722726@tyfoo.de> <39B0C73B-E4E9-46D5-90BD-655B7706F73D@tyfoo.de> <4F9AE267.8030803@tiscali.co.uk> <53C1BEEC-CDD4-4B93-A77E-AC948EDA9593@gmail.com> <756B4BF4-2E54-4696-AE8F-CF797B645EF6@tyfoo.de> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 02:07:09 +0000 (UTC) very strange in deed! hardly a hardware problem i guess you disconnected everything, especially the MIDI in to make sure = that the problem is inside the EDP, right? after it goes silent, does the loop level LED indicate that the sound is = still in the memory or really gone? if you then go to Mute and play it like a sample with Multiply or = Insert, does it come back? if you do not program your settings or only certain parameters and then = reboot, the same happens? "after the second of record" means after second press or after the = second recording (or a second of recording :-) ? do you use the Loop/Delay or InterfaceMode parameter? On 29 Apr 2012, at 6:57 PM, Carsten Wegener wrote: >=20 > It happens like that. > I do a reset. Record works properly (after second it just loops on and = on) > I do all my settings, after each new setting still the same, >=20 > but if I shut down the Echoplex, all my settings are saved, the only = thing that changes, is that after the second of record > the recorded loop plays once and disappears. The length is still on = the display, but no sound anymore. > All the lights are green. If I try to reach the Loop via the next = loop-button - just the same.... >=20 > Very strange. >=20 > Am 29.04.2012 um 13:53 schrieb Matthias Grob: >=20 >> no, we record the presets to a EEPROM >> and after powering up with Param pressed, that should be erased >> so can you save any presets so they come up again after power down? >>=20 >> On 27 Apr 2012, at 4:12 PM, Carsten Wegener wrote: >>=20 >>> It=B4s a normal Echoplex Looper with Loop IV, I think there shouldnt = be a battery inside. >>>=20 >>> Am 27.04.2012 um 20:16 schrieb andy butler: >>>=20 >>>> Carsten Wegener wrote: >>>>> I did a reset, then it works. But I have make all my settings = again. After shutting down the EDP it=B4s the same again with the = problem.... >>>>=20 >>>> is there a battery in there somewhere? >>>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 30 07:16:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFC8F183473; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:16:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:16:53 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20120430071653.3010@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20120428164342.11170@gmx.net> <20120429113909.11180@gmx.net> Subject: Re: RC-2 to PA needs DI box? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+QB0h+SAeQIz3Pfjvlmx6OqbyehdJXpez26Z7B3t 0gee7e/xPZWjrdhjl+DiQ0ZZ/Cws0mWMhp2g== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: Mlnsb0lgeSEqZ8h4kHUhcAF+IGRvb4CB Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:16:55 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per thanks. yeah, +5 to -20dBu should be no problem for the mixer (I think even my active PAs have a switch) I just always forget about the impedance stuff: > > Input Impedance 1 M ohms > > Output Impedance 1 k ohms I had read in some forums that the output requires Hi-Z input - but after looking up some Impedance 101 (http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan03/articles/impedanceworkshop.asp), looks like thi is not true and the impedance is something a mixer can handle. At least, as far as I can tell ;-) best regards Buzap -- NEU: FreePhone 3-fach-Flat mit kostenlosem Smartphone! Jetzt informieren: http://mobile.1und1.de/?ac=OM.PW.PW003K20328T7073a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 30 09:17:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDF18183474; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:17:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Echoplex Problem From: Carsten Wegener In-Reply-To: <2242DAD5-0F42-4785-8679-AFADB216CF3F@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:17:26 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <37C363AB-A7AF-4F28-BFD7-B5F92C722726@tyfoo.de> <39B0C73B-E4E9-46D5-90BD-655B7706F73D@tyfoo.de> <4F9AE267.8030803@tiscali.co.uk> <53C1BEEC-CDD4-4B93-A77E-AC948EDA9593@gmail.com> <756B4BF4-2E54-4696-AE8F-CF797B645EF6@tyfoo.de> <2242DAD5-0F42-4785-8679-AFADB216CF3F@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:17:29 +0000 (UTC) It seems like I found the solution. It=B4s was so obvious, that I = overlooked it. The feedback knob was turned left, I must have changed it unintendedly. I just don=B4t understand the behaviour, that after reset the position = of the fdbk-knob does not affect the Loop-Playback, but after shutting = down again it does. But as long as my machine works again, i dont really care. Thanks a lot for your help Carsten Am 30.04.2012 um 04:07 schrieb Matthias Grob: > very strange in deed! > hardly a hardware problem > i guess you disconnected everything, especially the MIDI in to make = sure that the problem is inside the EDP, right? > after it goes silent, does the loop level LED indicate that the sound = is still in the memory or really gone? > if you then go to Mute and play it like a sample with Multiply or = Insert, does it come back? > if you do not program your settings or only certain parameters and = then reboot, the same happens? > "after the second of record" means after second press or after the = second recording (or a second of recording :-) ? > do you use the Loop/Delay or InterfaceMode parameter? >=20 >=20 > On 29 Apr 2012, at 6:57 PM, Carsten Wegener wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> It happens like that. >> I do a reset. Record works properly (after second it just loops on = and on) >> I do all my settings, after each new setting still the same, >>=20 >> but if I shut down the Echoplex, all my settings are saved, the only = thing that changes, is that after the second of record >> the recorded loop plays once and disappears. The length is still on = the display, but no sound anymore. >> All the lights are green. If I try to reach the Loop via the next = loop-button - just the same.... >>=20 >> Very strange. >>=20 >> Am 29.04.2012 um 13:53 schrieb Matthias Grob: >>=20 >>> no, we record the presets to a EEPROM >>> and after powering up with Param pressed, that should be erased >>> so can you save any presets so they come up again after power down? >>>=20 >>> On 27 Apr 2012, at 4:12 PM, Carsten Wegener wrote: >>>=20 >>>> It=B4s a normal Echoplex Looper with Loop IV, I think there = shouldnt be a battery inside. >>>>=20 >>>> Am 27.04.2012 um 20:16 schrieb andy butler: >>>>=20 >>>>> Carsten Wegener wrote: >>>>>> I did a reset, then it works. But I have make all my settings = again. After shutting down the EDP it=B4s the same again with the = problem.... >>>>>=20 >>>>> is there a battery in there somewhere? >>>>=20 >>=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 30 11:02:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE926183478; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:02:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject; bh=k8xia6AmAbLcfN4C4Qnl3Kt9oKfLXE6vRZYPRGIzmyc=; b=d2bYRTtEYZWF6AlhlmKYlDn/v69Lf6davuTzOCzwVH7s725kqs9w/mt/dn+keG/Z9t s1ZIwIu5O3OEkb0+PhVMB0iarFdfSHH+IYXR+o/M4pSd4+VRJb7z7wyzMiSVmplB7CmF h11CY9ZBl8PazF6LLbqDp3YiaQjd1Pk0NSgKjnkC+GAzawMXpRYjfC+jyWWK7fB0ngri WcR2UCDnNN5shyZ/vGxRVecCkrwTjE7s7nlBu0zzo2LslSBkd3aawXgQMef8vGrAZIJy Z/njZDg1MYv2xNFwGziCrasE306XWPgazL5C6g7kT4UF/SiLBBcf7DYDrUKmqfdQldp8 S/Sg== Message-ID: <4f9e7142.8439cc0a.2c71.2530@mx.google.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 06:02:32 -0400 From: theweg@gmail.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:02:28 +0000 (UTC) hello Loopers-Delight i want you to know about this i havent seen anything like it before http://t.co/9xMsNG1f From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 30 13:45:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8290E183478; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:45:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=fphQdNZDmlgIjlU94bil8B3W9S6vYJobrg20JQPEv6w=; b=GifB44Abz/MAAC7wAAGC8Hwi2YFemJFif8PrvYqf+8sWUXcbKvdgUW8aReoyJH41lr fi/C3bgXoPwrKmv4Hg54ujM9zjaZeKgZYwAkGCo53UDZC5EnCBS3RvUdA3dpNzWkjafj kg7Gsgm23f7FK9EwSD5+UmG/5sZcf1pk/htfjv3OGvOkcVdcSt+TRO/PmaeYCcsWaMVb ksJSSLMHOMCYwAF1uSZbk8HbVFfyibs3zwnE9GNy1eh8v5Af2cBrBxgOUFrHneRfj4Rh N0o7KYMt/+QIq6v54oHvxIKh0PZu0ezpI0VulN20sik9xQrcV6chUdDMfjtvW+rppOMy /Lsw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F9C0C1D.6050201@cruzio.com> References: <20120428010933.16119.41785.levelstar.mail@everest> <4F9C0C1D.6050201@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:45:28 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: plan for an annual Looper's Delight / Livelooping telephone conference call From: Thomas Wegmann To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <0gXtVC.A.OsD.6dpnPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:45:30 +0000 (UTC) Yes, this does sound like fun, count me in! Weg On 4/28/12, Rick Walker wrote: > On 4/27/12 6:09 PM, Tyler wrote: >> Hello, everybody! I just got this great idea that I think a lot of you >> will like! Lately, I've had >> a lot of experience controlling conference calls; participating in them, >> helping moderate them, and so on. >> I think that there should be a Looper's Delight / Livelooping chat. I'd >> even set it up for you >> guys; schedule it, give instructions on how to get into the chat, and just >> control the flow of things. Readers >> of Looper's Delight and Livelooping would be welcome; we could even share >> loop sounds over the >> phone lines! The Looper's Delight / Livelooping Conference! I would record >> it each time, >> and put the recording up on a server and send it. Would you guys like a >> digital conference once a year? >> Remember, I'll do all the setting up, programming and scheduling. >> Tyler Zahnke >> > That sounds hella fun. I'm down! > > rick walker > > -- Greg Wegmann TheWeg@Frontier.com TheWeg@GMail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 30 14:00:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23449183479; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:00:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=QfMyiwDmcqhPk2CgqwLsDBc+/PoraT3Oe0H2G8lD5Rg=; b=b5IKRLI7iQAh71AvYfufXSetAdV9pdvAL5RQbcwH/1eGwAjESOX71P5yJsI4oxi9Te f+gpkbvCsjGb03DiJZ/sSZBi5noezA7f5+WHRdqu+Ll+9NuhyYQeXMBzCQbJ79ihFlyB yeDKsJeDfTBI8C3Itse1vIprfH5CLlBL2C8KpwTYvuUIAyuYaxk2PmL95uZ1TTurWq9n //xYiJWZmYzGTAZMpIwe4NJxIE9xdiD3dJOG4Ux09tdhHk3YK1zmcEwqFUq69TU+4bWa hxHOhLvJtvuURsM9zZEPg9zb4AjK4v3LZ+4YU9jSMt3N3FgMavj/i8fXV/3V042XZS1J Rdmw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <99F4E7D2-5967-4B29-8CD6-BCC9FCBAF9FF@gmail.com> References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> <59C4667F-84E9-420B-A29A-7F69B493311B@gmail.com> <99F4E7D2-5967-4B29-8CD6-BCC9FCBAF9FF@gmail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:59:43 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: snfOQwtFkt0yW07zKMzCuo6YAN0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042f9288f4fec104bee5def5 Resent-Message-ID: <2hgS4C.A.B4D.lrpnPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:00:05 +0000 (UTC) --f46d042f9288f4fec104bee5def5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Todd Reynolds wrote: > With the drinking game I've been playing w this particular thread. I'm way > past that. > > Please post the rules of your drinking game, Ive got a bet going that this thread can't make it to 100 posts! -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d042f9288f4fec104bee5def5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Todd Reynolds <toddreyn@gmail.com>= ; wrote:

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--f46d042f9288f4fec104bee5def5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 30 14:59:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 694D4183479; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:59:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:subject:date:references:to:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer; bh=GXYFx8RSetxkw2cpueVG9CuIKEmpPsBqCjQKYuWrO7w=; b=NX5uuOaNtz+0Xx8vY+LC4tuTw3y5AgtB3SFE3qc3FGuNBKYyXAQlZ+YQChmKjE9+QI fjyMlRujcyGVLF3urd2m8iZOVrCAfiCkbXfd6RpKmU9+1Q96FBnMyM41pUGOf8QHHfsR 7Fp7gFY5zF/r4vHuzW6lrbr4xs/IBsfFEcRKRSJyOp90CwzeHf3RGGd5AdR6g5I7G4Mq W5gV0o3Kk6ohTjNZq4Ax4TIfS1E10ldI1902Q6Lqk0/yEezuJDxNP6XUEJVV1GqBgU00 HnPZVUiCkXsBwU4ALOQG8ug+zcJwqV+zOilMMgIvSH8ABXmw32cn9JjUqNKcNRo8YCep PDdA== From: Matthias Grob Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_17E1E8D2-9965-413C-BD1C-1BF258918A54" Subject: Fwd: Loopers-Delight Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:59:18 -0300 References: To: Loop List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:59:29 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_17E1E8D2-9965-413C-BD1C-1BF258918A54 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 ok, this one was scam Begin forwarded message: > From: Thomas Wegmann > Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight > Date: 30April, 2012 10:46:09 AM GMT-03:00 > To: Matthias Grob >=20 > no, I think my acct was hacked..... >=20 > On 4/30/12, Matthias Grob wrote: >> I get a keyinternetjobs strange job offer, thats probably not what = you >> wanted to tell us, is it? >>=20 >> On 30 Apr 2012, at 7:02 AM, theweg@gmail.com wrote: >>=20 >>> hello Loopers-Delight i want you to know about this i havent seen = anything >>> like it before http://t.co/9xMsNG1f >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Greg Wegmann >=20 > TheWeg@Frontier.com > TheWeg@GMail.com --Apple-Mail=_17E1E8D2-9965-413C-BD1C-1BF258918A54 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 ok, = this one was scam

Begin forwarded message:

From: Thomas Wegmann = <theweg@gmail.com>
=
Subject: = Re: Loopers-Delight
Date: 30April, 2012 = 10:46:09 AM GMT-03:00
To: Matthias Grob <matilists@gmail.com>
=

no, I think my acct was hacked.....

On 4/30/12, = Matthias Grob <matilists@gmail.com> = wrote:
I get a keyinternetjobs strange job = offer, thats probably not what you
wanted to tell us, is it?

On 30 Apr 2012, = at 7:02 AM, theweg@gmail.com = wrote:

hello Loopers-Delight i want you to know about this i = havent seen anything
like it before http://t.co/9xMsNG1f





--
Greg Wegmann

TheWeg@Frontier.com
TheWeg@GMai= l.com

= --Apple-Mail=_17E1E8D2-9965-413C-BD1C-1BF258918A54-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 30 19:56:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B99DD183474; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:56:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:49:32 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance 119 Gallery this Saturday Night May 5 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Experimental Film Discussion List Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:56:44 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I'll be doing video improvisations at 119 Gallery (my favorite performance space) as part of the performance portion of Analog Heaven Northeast http://alt-mode.com/ahne/2012/ The performances start at around 7:30 PMn Suggested donation $5 -10. A video from last year's show can be seen at http://youtu.be/FMNg1smDoNQ 119 Chelmsford St Lowell, MA 01851 8:00 PM http://www.119gallery.org/ My videos, including recordings of some of my performances, can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld Culinary note: There is an outstanding Cambodian restaurant next door to the gallery. -- "I rang a silent bell ..." -- Robert Hunter "... cast your dancing spell my way, I promise to go under it" -- Bob Dylan My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 30 21:02:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B44D1183474; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:02:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 754609260/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.70.126.143/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.70.126.143 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoBAO78nk9PRn6P/2dsb2JhbAANN4VpqXeGEAEBAQMBIxVABgsLGgIFFgsCAgkDAgECAUUZAwGHewMGp1ySb4EviF2DXoINgRgEm2GNSA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,507,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="754609260" Message-ID: <4F9EFE00.5040809@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 22:02:56 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-2 to PA needs DI box? References: <20120428164342.11170@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20120428164342.11170@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:02:58 +0000 (UTC) buzap@gmx.net wrote: > Is it right that for connecting the Boss RC-2 Looper to a PA, > I always thought it was line compatible but now I'm not so sure. It *should* work. (any stompbox without true bypass will) ...but a good quality DI box wouldn't hurt. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 30 21:44:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCC18183475; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:44:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 301 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:44:43 UTC MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F9EFE00.5040809@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20120428164342.11170@gmx.net> <4F9EFE00.5040809@tiscali.co.uk> From: James Collin Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:38:58 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RC-2 to PA needs DI box? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54c4fae90579004beec4a8c X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:8cpiiU+oddK5pWs2aPYbtIPWVEWlVmXpsbXBz2PkqzP AbDEIflbkmpIAwvZ4RGFHgjNIVa6fLlYeCq18XJmcBEgtNbd4J TBFTDH6O+C4gsjrEd1hQ9VyUaAbBbMKk3qS511eMd6cx0xt2+m vzS9fYuZHv/SUn4UB85ugw6f0Je9gz8s60KyHmo5i3mMc9OTNX 5bUQKbeuxt2mJRAvqYiQP/NNf0oTeboQ6o5acwZgmWjcLv4O1x fRhtihlxyyohpnshBOiKexOGRfawb3+QEYPzgxFg4MSmrm2ZI/ 7YIuwZXnX4z7aXwtnMXsz36JiU2VOFq02suYb4MLdXF7GWNasc MsI3Z4Sz//v7uWsRpUs/cDTsz89jdu3hFm0aS3LuANTksbC+eR 55qx1NHoao7rjAoexbDW+SAHIhISrGP5ah6wiS7Ue02oVucMjE IVpfc Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:44:43 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec54c4fae90579004beec4a8c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I always use a DI box if I'm sending directly to a PA. It's just good practice. Most decent venues will have their own, but I invested in one for my setup, just in case: http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHGI100 - definitely not the best, but it works well, and can be phantom powered. - J On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 4:02 PM, andy butler wrote: > buzap@gmx.net wrote: > > Is it right that for connecting the Boss RC-2 Looper to a PA, I always >> thought it was line compatible but now I'm not so sure. >> > > It *should* work. > (any stompbox without true bypass will) > > ...but a good quality DI box wouldn't hurt. > > andy > > > --bcaec54c4fae90579004beec4a8c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I always use a DI box if I'm sending directly to a PA.=A0It's just = good practice. Most decent venues will have their own, but I invested in on= e for my setup, just in case:=A0http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHGI100 - definitely not the best,= but it works well, and can be phantom powered.

- J

On Mon, Apr 30, 2= 012 at 4:02 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wr= ote:
buzap@gmx.net wrote:

Is it right that for connecting the Boss RC-2 Looper to a PA, I always thou= ght it was line compatible but now I'm not so sure.

It *should* work.
(any stompbox without true bypass will)

...but a good quality DI box wouldn't hurt.

andy



--bcaec54c4fae90579004beec4a8c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 30 21:50:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F021F183473; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:50:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0762348531==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120430215044.3581.5924.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:50:46 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: plan for an annual Looper's Delight / Livelooping telephone conference call Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:50:49 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0762348531== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You=20don't=20even=20need=20to=20be=20invited!=20When=20the=20time=20comes,= =20you=20just=20call=20the=20Conversation=20Station=20number,=20dial=20in= =20 to=20the=20right=20channel,=20and=20log=20in!=20You=20don't=20even=20need= =20to=20be=20invited!=20Anyone=20who=20feels=20like=20going=20into=20the=20 chat=20room=20for=20the=20show=20can=20call. Tyler=20Z On=20Mon,=2030=20Apr=202012=2009:45:28=20-0400,=20Thomas=20Wegmann=20wrote: >Yes,=20this=20does=20sound=20like=20fun,=20count=20me=20in! > >Weg > >On=204/28/12,=20Rick=20Walker=20=20wrote: >>On=204/27/12=206:09=20PM,=20Tyler=20wrote: >>>Hello,=20everybody!=20I=20just=20got=20this=20great=20idea=20that=20I=20= think=20a=20lot=20of=20you >>>will=20like!=20Lately,=20I've=20had >>>a=20lot=20of=20experience=20controlling=20conference=20calls;=20particip= ating=20in=20them, >>>helping=20moderate=20them,=20and=20so=20on. >>>I=20think=20that=20there=20should=20be=20a=20Looper's=20Delight=20/=20Li= velooping=20chat.=20I'd >>>even=20set=20it=20up=20for=20you >>>guys;=20schedule=20it,=20give=20instructions=20on=20how=20to=20get=20int= o=20the=20chat,=20and=20just >>>control=20the=20flow=20of=20things.=20Readers >>>of=20Looper's=20Delight=20and=20Livelooping=20would=20be=20welcome;=20we= =20could=20even=20share >>>loop=20sounds=20over=20the >>>phone=20lines!=20The=20Looper's=20Delight=20/=20Livelooping=20Conference= !=20I=20would=20record >>>it=20each=20time, >>>and=20put=20the=20recording=20up=20on=20a=20server=20and=20send=20it.=20= Would=20you=20guys=20like=20a >>>digital=20conference=20once=20a=20year? >>>Remember,=20I'll=20do=20all=20the=20setting=20up,=20programming=20and=20= scheduling. >>>Tyler=20Zahnke >>> >>That=20sounds=20hella=20fun.=20=20I'm=20down! >> >>rick=20walker >> >> > > >--=20 >Greg=20Wegmann > >TheWeg@Frontier.com >TheWeg@GMail.com --===============0762348531==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 30 23:12:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A6A0183466; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 23:12:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=TmywmxtkkaZZoPNcUU8POkzkv2GlxKGfSnE4DsZNiKo=; b=qNUuKyuRf2ZLOZOOiPb0QWhySpAnhfrluud5QgnIHUoQJll31T78llceLUV4rRsO1Y TGnahEZF//GHNmWEXFXtEKiINZM/7LNzkVevqI8liG8VmE2u16HEkcvXCv0vEaWV16Bd /3CViHXZ8tbiWSRNRV9DcexMM01733n2I695H0SeCNZmwuoVZQlZ/h2cH2gCKo1Z9JKY oC2mxrI7UqfXwdT6j3pzB8SJ5lpxgT9whjlVTgj+whRWXWlxoQ0wMQh2bo8hXwAalVGM 4BLpl+td3b9pjl84ggg13VwY9k/ShqhZNXT40Umj6TvXDar0gEByvyJh5RxPce9GlGwY qaDQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:12:04 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fwd: Loopers-Delight From: Thomas Wegmann To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b2edf3b0fe72c04beed95b0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 23:12:05 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b2edf3b0fe72c04beed95b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yes, I am changing all my passwords. Hope that helps. On Apr 30, 2012 10:59 AM, "Matthias Grob" wrote: > ok, this one was scam > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From: *Thomas Wegmann > *Subject: **Re: Loopers-Delight* > *Date: *30April, 2012 10:46:09 AM GMT-03:00 > *To: *Matthias Grob > > no, I think my acct was hacked..... > > On 4/30/12, Matthias Grob wrote: > > I get a keyinternetjobs strange job offer, thats probably not what you > > wanted to tell us, is it? > > > On 30 Apr 2012, at 7:02 AM, theweg@gmail.com wrote: > > > hello Loopers-Delight i want you to know about this i havent seen anything > > like it before http://t.co/9xMsNG1f > > > > > > > -- > Greg Wegmann > > TheWeg@Frontier.com > TheWeg@GMail.com > > > --047d7b2edf3b0fe72c04beed95b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, I am changing all my passwords.=A0 Hope that helps.

On Apr 30, 2012 10:59 AM, "Matthias Grob&qu= ot; <matilists@gmail.com> = wrote:
ok, this one was scam

= Begin forwarded message:

= From: Thomas Wegmann <theweg@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight
=
Date: 30April, 2012 10:46:09 AM GMT-03:00
<= div style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:= 0px"> To: Matthias Grob <matilists@gmail.com>

no, I th= ink my acct was hacked.....

On 4/30/12, Matthias Grob <matilists@gmail.com> wrote:
I get a keyinternetjobs strange job offer, thats probably not what you=
wanted to tell us, is it?

= On 30 Apr 2012, at 7:02 AM, theweg@gmail.com wrote:

hello Loopers-Delight i want you to know a= bout this i havent seen anything
like it before http://t.co/9xMsNG1f





--
= Greg Wegmann

TheWeg@Frontier.com
TheWeg@GMail.com
<= br>
--047d7b2edf3b0fe72c04beed95b0--

<= /div>
If you also have MERGE = enabled on the FCB1010, disable it, OR the FCB1010
will turn around and send ALL that data = back to Live. =46rom the sound of the
Mute = buttons flashing, that sounds like MERGE is = enabled.

If you send notes on where the = time between presses is less than 1270ms, you
get a tap tempo CC message.<<<<

>>>I have had awesome success using the = FCB1010 with Ableton Live. It may not be necessary, but the consensus = seems to be that the UnO e-prom upgrade fixes lots of issues with the = FCB1010 so I went ahead and upgraded to it. Have never had any issues so = I recommend it.

I purchased the UnO e-prom chip and = installed that. It can be found here:
I also use the Ripwerx = editor to do the actual programming of the pedal - it is simpler. That = tool can be found here: <<<<


>>Without changing the = firmware you can also specify a global channel for the = NOTE and only react to that channel, or you can remap the global CC=92s = to send to an unused channel. Either one will work as = well.



I do believe if you put a UnO chip in you = can disable the Tap Tempo=85.<<<<
 





Subject: RE: Mobius Baffling Phase 3 Thread-Topic: Mobius Baffling Phase 3 Thread-Index: AQHNGgIg4gCQCLm1wkKXm3TP5vf+25aZ3e8AgAAMlQCAAKd6gIAACJLD Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 18:12:45 +0000 Message-ID: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEFD47@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: ,<1228EBDB-D100-45E7-AC8A-5ECD8609B5C4@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1228EBDB-D100-45E7-AC8A-5ECD8609B5C4@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [70.113.124.99] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEFD47SN2PRD0410MB360_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 18:12:51 +0000 (UTC) --_000_3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEFD47SN2PRD0410MB360_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't want to discourage anyone from getting the UnO chip, but it isn't c= lear to me that this is required to use Mobius under Live. Mobius will simply ignore any event that isn't bound to something. So the = FCB could be puking out hundreds of random events along with the notes and = it won't matter, as long as Mobius is not programmed to respond to those ot= her events. Where it will mess up is with the MIDI learn feature in the bi= nding window. This will track whatever the most recent MIDI event received= was, so if the CC comes after the Note, then it will have the CC. If that= is what is happening you will need to do what Rainer suggests and disable = MIDI lean and enter the notes manually. Now how Live responds to these extra events is another matter. You'll also= need to make sure that Live is not programmed to respond to these CCs. I'= m pretty sure Live will just ignore MIDI events it does not recognize. I d= oubt that it will fail to pass a Note Off to Mobius just because it receive= s a CC after the Note On. Does anyone have proof of that? There are only two situations where I can imagine these extra CCs causing p= roblems. First, Live gets confused by them and drops events that should ha= ve been sent to the track. If the dropped event was a Note Off, then Mobiu= s will go into long-press behavior and reset the loop after 1/2 seconds of recording. Second, the FCB tap tempo "feature" causes= the FCB to not send Note Off. That's more likely but I've never witnessed it. Can anyone say for sure that when FCB tap tempo is act= ive that it will only send Note On events and drop Note Off events? None of the documentation I can find state that. I believe you said that this was working in Mobius standalone but not under= Live correct? If so I don't think the FCB is the problem. Thanks, Jeff ________________________________ From: RP Collier [skeptikalist@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:21 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius Baffling Phase 3 On Apr 14, 2012, at 12:21 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: The CC value that is sent seems to change according to the physical pedal and not the note assigned (I assigned the same note value to two pedals and got different CCs depending on which pedal I pressed). Did someone say there is a chip that eliminates this problem on the FCB. Below is stuff from the FCB yahoo list. BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j http://rpcollier.bandcamp.com/album/platz >>>If you=92re using an NOTE only patches be aware that the FCB1010 will se= nd out CC#0 regardless of whether you have it ticked or not. That=92s the = =93tap tempo=94 function. Which if you look it up, may be where your =93pit= ch bend=94 CC is coming from...If you also have MERGE enabled on the FCB101= 0, disable it, OR the FCB1010 will turn around and send ALL that data back to Live. From the sound of the Mute buttons flashing, that sounds like MERGE is enabled. If you send notes on where the time between presses is less than 1270ms, yo= u get a tap tempo CC message.<<<< >>>I have had awesome success using the FCB1010 with Ableton Live. It may n= ot be necessary, but the consensus seems to be that the UnO e-prom upgrade = fixes lots of issues with the FCB1010 so I went ahead and upgraded to it. H= ave never had any issues so I recommend it. I purchased the UnO e-prom chip and installed that. It can be found here:ht= tp://www.ossandust.be/index.php I also use the Ripwerx editor to do the actual programming of the pedal - i= t is simpler. That tool can be found here: http://www.ripwerx.com/ <<<< ---- >>Without changing the firmware you can also specify a global channel for t= he NOTE and only react to that channel, or you can remap the global CC=92s = to send to an unused channel. Either one will work as well. I do believe if you put a UnO chip in you can disable the Tap Tempo=85.<<<< --_000_3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEFD47SN2PRD0410MB360_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't want to discourage anyone from getting the UnO chip, but it isn't c= lear to me that this is required to use Mobius under Live.

Mobius will simply ignore any event that isn't bound to something. &nb= sp;So the FCB could be puking out hundreds of random events along with the = notes and it won't matter, as long as Mobius is not programmed to respond t= o those other events.  Where it will mess up is with the MIDI learn feature in the binding window.  This w= ill track whatever the most recent MIDI event received was, so if the CC co= mes after the Note, then it will have the CC.  If that is what is happ= ening you will need to do what Rainer suggests and disable MIDI lean and enter the notes manually.

Now how Live responds to these extra events is another matter.  Y= ou'll also need to make sure that Live is not programmed to respond to thes= e CCs.  I'm pretty sure Live will just ignore MIDI events it does not = recognize.  I doubt that it will fail to pass a Note Off to Mobius just because it receives a CC after the Note On. &nbs= p;Does anyone have proof of that?

There are only two situations where I can imagine these extra CCs caus= ing problems.  First, Live gets confused by them and drops events that= should have been sent to the track.  If the dropped event was a Note = Off, then Mobius will go into long-press behavior and reset the loop
after 1/2 seconds of recording.  Second, the FCB tap tempo "= feature" causes the FCB to not send Note Off.  That's more likely= but I've
never witnessed it.  Can anyone say for sure that when FCB tap te= mpo is active that it will only send Note On events and drop Note Off event= s?
None of the documentation I can find state that.

I believe you said that this was working in Mobius standalone but not = under Live correct?  If so I don't think the FCB is the problem.

Thanks,
Jeff

From: RP Collier [skeptikalist@gmail.com= ]
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:21 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Mobius Baffling Phase 3


On Apr 14, 2012, at 12:21 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote:

The CC value that is sent seems to change according to
the physical pedal and not the note assigned (I assigned the same note
value to two pedals and got different CCs depending on which pedal I
pressed).

Did someone say there is a chip that eliminates this problem on the FCB.



Below is stuff from the FCB yahoo list.


BobC



>>>If you= =92re using an NOTE only patches be aware that the FCB1010 will send out CC= #0 regardless of whether you have it ticked or not. That=92s the =93tap tempo=94 function. Which if you look it up, may be whe= re your =93pitch bend=94 CC is coming from...If you also have MERGE enabled on the FCB1010, disable it, OR the FCB1010
will turn around and send ALL that data back to Live. From the sound of the=
Mute buttons flashing, th= at sounds like MERGE is enabled.
<= br>
If you send notes= on where the time between presses is less than 1270ms, you
get a tap tempo CC message.<<<<


>>>I have had aw= esome success using the FCB1010 with Ableton Live. It may not be necessary,= but the consensus seems to be that the UnO e-prom upgrade fixes lots of issues with the FCB1010 so I went ahead and upgraded= to it. Have never had any issues so I recommend it.

I purchased the UnO e-prom chip and installed that. It can be found here:http://www.ossandust.be/index= .php

I also use the Ripwerx editor to do the actual programming of the pedal - i= t is simpler. That tool can be found here: http://www.ripwerx.com/
<= u><<<<


----

>>Without c= hanging the firmware you can also specify a = global channel&n= bsp;for the NOTE and only react to that channel, or you can remap the globa= l CC=92s to send to an unused channel. Either one will work as well.
I do believ= e if you put a UnO chip in you can disable the Tap Tempo=85.<<<<
 =






--_000_3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A712EEFD47SN2PRD0410MB360_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 18:17:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F064B183475; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 18:17:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=gtDHmiZDexSPvJGQlsS9d5izsvAI1BIdtEH36cxY6QM=; b=gmKOEMEaumyF+qUHNmdd3Vpm712RV0p9lPGndinx/nkpRyEyhgCJNUjLHFESFnl3kW RLSuegMMRTEAEem5qNnRmhS1dO7Njthqp6OZlRK4qKW93VSVvoYR2C2ks1LTr5gBUHTP TfKnErzgkeUU8/ekdOa4aOyDjqQdGCy8JRmBtUgYQNA08hE3xX80ArP4Ou8+dsH5xY3V RmiWBWuQtLsa/DLAGfTxAmyWavXcu2Qri2VwZFy/s5pgB3tPMiZmC6LFoJeN1DSI2W28 hmfUj6JvlsTxfJEh3JviTo4Ms5SysQD4+VSlBdGYiBxBkWU4FnxaUUq5+jkfKnKqI/GY /LEg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <70C53A86-65E3-45BA-92CF-A982128CA1C2@gmail.com> References: <005e01cd1947$aa59d9c0$ff0d8d40$@de> <70C53A86-65E3-45BA-92CF-A982128CA1C2@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 21:17:51 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 11 minute looping piece @ 11:11 on 11/11/11 From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba5bbb856b68c304bda79bb5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 18:17:52 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba5bbb856b68c304bda79bb5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable rubs salt to my wounds - had the track recorded - the wav file was somehow damaged when I tried to upload it - aaarghhh :-) excited to hear everyones creations! 2012/4/13 Jim Goodin > Michael thanks for manning the helm on this and Rick thanks for putting > the idea out there. > > Jim > > Get Tips Across the Waters for your iDevice, > http://iTunes.apple.com/us/app/tips-across-the-waters/id474128076?=3Dmt8 > > On Apr 13, 2012, at 3:33 AM, "Michael Peters" wrote: > > I'm currently putting together the Bandcamp album of the 11/11/11 project > proposed by Rick Walker on October 24, 2011.**** > > ** ** > > So far I've found submissions by: **** > > ** ** > > Jim Goodin, Raul Bonell, Mark Francombe, Nat Grant, Leander Reininghaus, > Lindsey Walker, Simeon Harris, David Cooper Orton, and Michael Peters.***= * > > ** ** > > Has anyone else created a track for this project? Please send me a > lossless audio file. Contact me offlist if you want to upload it to my > Dropbox. You can also use services like wetransfer.com.**** > > ** ** > > These folks have participated in the discussion about the project, but I > haven't found their submissions so far:**** > > ** ** > > BC, Dust Bunnies, Fabio_A, Jean-Paul De Roover, Louie Angulo, Michael > Ellis, Petri Lahtinen, RP Collier, Richard Atkinson, Stefan Tiedje, > Sylvain Poitras, chaz worm, kkissinger, michael noble, tEd =AE KiLLiAn***= * > > ** ** > > thanks**** > > ** ** > > -Michael P**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > --=20 Petri --90e6ba5bbb856b68c304bda79bb5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable rubs salt to my wounds - had the track recorded - the wav file was somehow = damaged
when I tried to upload it - aaarghhh :-)
excited to hear ever= yones creations!

2012/4/13 Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmus= ic@gmail.com>
Michael thanks= for manning the helm on this and Rick thanks for putting the idea out ther= e.


On Apr 13, 2012, at 3:33 AM, "Michael = Peters" <mp@mpet= ers.de> wrote:

I'm currently putting toget= her the Bandcamp album of the 11/11/11 project proposed by Ric= k Walker on October 24, 2011.

=A0

So far I've found submissions by:

=A0<= /p>

Jim Goodin, Raul Bonell, Mar= k Francombe, Nat Grant, Leander Reininghaus, Lindsey Walker, S= imeon Harris, David Cooper Orton, and Michael Peters.<= /p>

=A0

Has anyone else created a track fo= r this project?=A0 Please send me a lossless audio file. Conta= ct me offlist if you want to upload it to my Dropbox. You can also use services like wetransfer.com.

=A0

These folks have participated in t= he discussion about the project, but I haven't found their submissions = so far:

=A0

BC, Dust Bunnies, Fabio_A, Jean-Paul De Roover, Louie Angulo, Michael = Ellis, Petri Lahtinen, RP Collier, Richard Atkinson, Stefan Tiedje, Sylvain Poitras, chaz worm, kkissinge= r, michael noble, tEd =AE KiLLiAn

=A0

thanks

=A0

-Michael P

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